**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 09 02:59:57 2008
Sep 09 03:05:34 <plusminus_> is the itemized Overlay meant to 'produce' only items of the same appereance?
Sep 09 03:18:44 <muthu> oyyo
Sep 09 03:38:08 <plusminus_> ?
Sep 09 05:17:52 <muthu> friendly ghost sounds like a bollywood tone
Sep 09 10:56:47 <muthu> http://gigaom.com/2008/09/02/why-did-google-abandon-firefox/
Sep 09 14:12:06 <zhobbs> anyone know anything about the media scanner?
Sep 09 14:12:17 <zhobbs> not sure how to use it
Sep 09 14:16:45 <mikez5> zhobbs: what are you trying to do?
Sep 09 14:17:19 <zhobbs> force it to rescan the sdcard and select from it
Sep 09 14:17:33 <zhobbs> I'm not familiar with using content providers, so I guess I need to start there
Sep 09 14:17:59 <mikez5> The media scanner runs automatically to keep the media content provider database up to date.
Sep 09 14:18:30 <mikez5> The only time you need to worry about it is if you download or create a new file on the SD card.  Then you need to tell the media scanner to scan the new file.
Sep 09 14:18:30 <zhobbs> yeah, in dev tools there is a way to force it to rescan...would like to have that option in my app also
Sep 09 14:19:52 <mikez5> If you want it to scan a single file, you can broadcast a ACTION_MEDIA_SCANNER_SCAN_FILE intent and pass the path to the file in the Intent.mData field
Sep 09 14:20:18 <mikez5> There is also a MediaScannerConnection class that can be used if you need to know when the scanning is done and get a Uri for the new file in the database.
Sep 09 14:22:28 <mikez5> The DevTools Media Scanner app sends a ACTION_MEDIA_MOUNTED to fool the Media Scanner into thinking that the SD card had just been inserted.  But that was put in just to help testing - not something that an app should do.
Sep 09 14:22:59 <zhobbs> yeah, I guess on the handset you usually don't "adb push" media to the device
Sep 09 14:23:21 <zhobbs> though, you may mount it as a mass storage device and copy files to sdcard
Sep 09 14:23:45 <zhobbs> thanks for the info mikez5
Sep 09 14:24:09 <mikez5> The media scanner runs after you use mass storage.  But it has no way of knowing if you adb pushed something to the phone.
Sep 09 14:24:25 <zhobbs> cool
Sep 09 14:24:35 <zhobbs> you work for google?
Sep 09 14:24:50 <mikez5> Yes.  Actually I worked on the media scanner :-)
Sep 09 14:24:59 <zhobbs> ahh, great!
Sep 09 14:25:44 <zhobbs> thanks for the help...I guess I have to break down and learn how to use a content provider now...I've been resisting
Sep 09 14:26:33 <mikez5> Yes, there is no way around using the content provider.  But basically it is just a simple database API with query, insert, update and delete operations.
Sep 09 14:52:26 <zhobbs> mikez5: is there an intent broadcasted when the media scanner detects a change?
Sep 09 14:57:21 <zhobbs> I guess ACTION_MEDIA_SCANNER_FINISHED, but that's called whether there is a change or not
Sep 09 15:00:02 <mikez5> No, there isn't.
Sep 09 15:00:42 <mikez5> But there is a way to register to be notified via the content provider when the database changes, which might be what you want.
Sep 09 15:01:26 <zhobbs> ahh, ok
Sep 09 16:05:52 <zhobbs> if I'm doing time consuming work in a BroadcastReceiver do I need to do it in a separate thread?
Sep 09 16:06:49 <zhobbs> (asking again now that romainguy_ showed up) if I'm doing time consuming work in a BroadcastReceiver do I need to do it in a separate thread?
Sep 09 16:07:14 <romainguy_> yes
Sep 09 16:07:26 <zhobbs> thanks
Sep 09 16:36:57 <zhobbs> mikez5: sorry to bug you, but do I need any permissions for MEDIA_SCANNER_FINISHED?  I can't seem to receive it for some reason
Sep 09 16:37:07 <zhobbs> mikez5: http://android.pastebin.com/d69f92be0 <-- that's what I'm doing
Sep 09 17:10:46 <mikez5> zhobbs: you shouldn't need any permission for receiving MEDIA_SCANNER_FINISHED
Sep 09 17:11:02 <mikez5> Also, you don't need to put anything in your AndroidManifest.xml
Sep 09 17:11:53 <mikez5> Try something like this:
Sep 09 17:11:57 <mikez5> IntentFilter filter = new IntentFilter();
Sep 09 17:11:57 <mikez5> filter.addAction(Intent.ACTION_MEDIA_SCANNER_FINISHED);
Sep 09 17:11:57 <mikez5> filter.addDataScheme("file");
Sep 09 17:11:57 <mikez5> registerReceiver(myListener, filter);
Sep 09 17:12:16 <mikez5> where myListener is a subclass of BroadcastReceiver
Sep 09 17:15:02 <zhobbs> mikez5: I was hoping to receive it even when my app wasn't running also, that's why I was putting it in the manifest
Sep 09 17:16:52 <zhobbs> but guess I really only need to when my app is running
Sep 09 19:15:47 <squeakypants> tmrw....
Sep 09 20:24:30 <zhobbs> how can I tell (in code) if I'm in landscape portrait?  also, how can I force landscape or portrait?
Sep 09 20:31:37 <plusminus_> I know how to get the orientation, wait a moment...
Sep 09 20:32:10 <plusminus_> http://www.anddev.org/rotate_screen_from_code_change_screen_orientation-t2687.html
Sep 09 20:32:14 <plusminus_> I think I checked it...
Sep 09 20:32:47 <plusminus_> or check if            width > height
Sep 09 20:32:50 <plusminus_> ;P
Sep 09 20:32:55 <zhobbs> hehe, that'll work
Sep 09 20:33:03 <zhobbs> thanks for the link
Sep 09 20:34:05 <plusminus_> there will probably be a guy contacting you soon, if you need an Android-Job...
Sep 09 20:34:16 <plusminus_> automation (light, windows, etc...)
Sep 09 20:34:33 <zhobbs> neat
Sep 09 20:34:44 <zhobbs> I already have an android job though, thanks for the reference
Sep 09 20:34:45 <plusminus_> Unfortunately I have only 1 brain and 2 hands...
Sep 09 20:34:51 <plusminus_> ^^
Sep 09 20:34:54 <zhobbs> I know what you mean
Sep 09 20:35:45 <kingkung> hello
Sep 09 20:35:53 <plusminus_> I had to reject 3 job-offers this week...
Sep 09 20:36:05 <plusminus_> all not sounding too bad.
Sep 09 20:36:23 <zhobbs> when do you graduate?
Sep 09 20:41:00 <plusminus_> 5th semester, so its still some more to come ;)
Sep 09 20:41:20 <plusminus_> bachelor --> master --> Dr./PhD   (we will see)
Sep 09 20:41:34 <zhobbs> hehe, well you have a long time to go then
Sep 09 20:41:46 <kingkung> hi guys
Sep 09 20:41:49 <plusminus_> maybe I'm goign independant, we will see
Sep 09 20:41:55 <zhobbs> kingkung: hi
Sep 09 20:42:04 <kingkung> i have a very simple question
Sep 09 20:42:17 <plusminus_> i know the answer
Sep 09 20:42:29 <plusminus_> SubWay Subs are $4 today !
Sep 09 20:42:37 <plusminus_> ;)
Sep 09 20:42:41 <kingkung> i just want to create a small navigation bar with icons
Sep 09 20:42:44 <kingkung> are they??
Sep 09 20:42:45 <kingkung> nice
Sep 09 20:42:51 <kingkung> i would've gone
Sep 09 20:42:53 <plusminus_> at least in CollegePark, MD
Sep 09 20:43:00 <kingkung> ah, very nice
Sep 09 20:43:19 <zhobbs> plusminus_: thought you were in germany?
Sep 09 20:43:22 <kingkung> so, u know, three images
Sep 09 20:43:38 <kingkung> you can scroll through each of them
Sep 09 20:43:54 <plusminus_> zhobbs: internship
Sep 09 20:43:54 <kingkung> to select the icon you want, and that icon will perform an action if clicked/selected
Sep 09 20:44:00 <zhobbs> ahh
Sep 09 20:44:32 <kingkung> i wonder if i should just use a horiz linear layout for that
Sep 09 20:44:43 <zhobbs> kingkung: maybe take a look at gallery in api demos
Sep 09 20:44:49 <kingkung> i'm using a gallery right now, but i don't want it to scroll, just want the icons to remain stationary
Sep 09 20:45:01 <kingkung> otherwise it would work well
Sep 09 20:45:04 <zhobbs> then just use 3 imagebuttons in a linlayout
Sep 09 20:45:29 <kingkung> yeah, i don't want the button frame, etc. though
Sep 09 20:45:38 <kingkung> just want the icon
Sep 09 20:45:45 <zhobbs> just create a theme for the image buttons
Sep 09 20:45:45 <kingkung> may just use 3 imageviews in a lin layout
Sep 09 20:46:02 <kingkung> is there a way to disable the frame on image buttons?
Sep 09 20:46:06 <zhobbs> for use background="@drawable/empty" they won't have a frame
Sep 09 20:46:18 <zhobbs> s/for/or
Sep 09 20:46:21 <plusminus_> g2g, bye
Sep 09 20:46:25 <zhobbs> plusminus_: cya
Sep 09 20:46:53 <kingkung> ah, didn't know that
Sep 09 20:46:54 <kingkung> cool
Sep 09 20:47:30 <zhobbs> there isn't a @drawable/empty by default, and they got rid of android:@drawable/empty
Sep 09 20:47:39 <kingkung> oh
Sep 09 20:47:42 <zhobbs> so you can just drop an empty.png in there
Sep 09 20:47:54 <zhobbs> 1x1 transparent png or something
Sep 09 20:48:05 <kingkung> oh
Sep 09 20:48:16 <kingkung> wth, that is kind of ridiculous
Sep 09 20:48:23 <kingkung> why would they take away empty
Sep 09 20:48:35 <zhobbs> maybe the renamed it, dunno
Sep 09 20:49:07 <kingkung> ty for the tip tho
Sep 09 20:49:56 <kingkung> and do u know if they have anything to replace android.R.drawable.box (a frame around the focused object)?
Sep 09 20:50:02 <kingkung> they took that away in 0.9
Sep 09 20:50:20 <zhobbs> don't know
Sep 09 20:50:33 <kingkung> ok thx
Sep 09 21:48:01 <romainguy_> zhobbs: so you can just drop an empty.png in there
Sep 09 21:48:06 <romainguy_> no it wasn't taken away
Sep 09 21:48:14 <romainguy_> @drawable:color/empty
Sep 09 22:05:55 <plusminus_> any guess, why a path drawn on an overlay should be magically gone since 0.9 ?
Sep 09 22:07:25 <plusminus_> maybe because of having requested FEATURE_OPENGL ?
Sep 09 22:09:51 <romainguy_> yes
Sep 09 22:09:57 <romainguy_> paths are not supported in opengl
Sep 09 22:10:04 <romainguy_> besides, the opengl feature is gone from 1.0
Sep 09 22:10:06 <plusminus_> never ever ?
Sep 09 22:10:19 <plusminus_> ah ok, y will it be gone?
Sep 09 22:10:32 <romainguy_> they're not because OpenGL ES 1.0 makes it very very very difficult and inefficient to draw some things (like paths or circular gradients)
Sep 09 22:10:36 <romainguy_> because it's not ready
Sep 09 22:11:26 <plusminus_> "not ready" means it might come back?
Sep 09 22:11:43 <plusminus_> so for now simply not use it
Sep 09 22:12:27 <romainguy_> it might come back
Sep 09 22:12:30 <romainguy_> but not in 1.0
Sep 09 22:12:39 <romainguy_> and if you keep using this flag, you'll get a compile error in 1.0
Sep 09 22:12:47 <plusminus_> kk
Sep 09 22:25:19 <f00f-> wtf
Sep 09 22:25:22 <f00f-> dropping features
Sep 09 22:25:22 <f00f-> !
Sep 09 22:25:42 <f00f-> well yeah
Sep 09 22:25:44 <f00f-> i'm glad it was dropped
Sep 09 22:25:48 <f00f-> the WINDOW_FEATURE_GL whatever
Sep 09 22:25:56 <f00f-> the javadoc sounded VERY inefficient
Sep 09 22:26:03 <f00f-> redrawing the whole screen for some ui change? no thanks
Sep 09 22:30:26 <romainguy_> f00f-: it's not inefficient
Sep 09 22:30:32 <romainguy_> that's how OpenGL works
Sep 09 22:31:16 <romainguy_> and because it's hardware accelerated it was faster in many situations
Sep 09 22:31:21 <romainguy_> (the Home screen for instance)
Sep 09 22:37:48 <f00f-> ok
Sep 09 23:13:17 <schasi> hi there
Sep 09 23:14:03 <schasi> Did google write the database.sqlite package themselves?
Sep 09 23:17:53 <squeakypants> scasi: android.database.sqlite you mean?
Sep 09 23:21:12 <schasi> squeakypants: exactly
Sep 09 23:23:57 <squeakypants> schasi: anything in the android namespace is by google ;)
Sep 09 23:24:45 <squeakypants> though i'm guessing android.database.sqlite is just a wrapper for the sqlite software
Sep 09 23:25:25 <squeakypants> i doubt they completely recoded it to java
Sep 09 23:26:23 <squeakypants> hmm.... "stereo bluetooth" is software right?
Sep 09 23:26:48 <squeakypants> like does a phone need to support it, or just android?
Sep 09 23:27:20 <schasi> I'm asking because i want to write some java code using sql and wondered how to test it
Sep 09 23:27:51 <squeakypants> schasi: what do you mean?
Sep 09 23:29:46 <squeakypants> to use SQL in android, you need to make a class that extends SQLiteOpenHelper
Sep 09 23:30:45 <f00f-> squeakypants: depends on how it's implemented. many times Bluetooth audio is done on-chip in which case it's PCM lines running from the chip to the I/O lines of the CPU itself, but that may be in a driver and not exposed into android's java userspace
Sep 09 23:31:03 <squeakypants> and override onCreate and onUpgrade to do db.execSQL(###) with the sql for creating or upgrading the tables
Sep 09 23:31:28 <schasi> What does all the @Override mean?
Sep 09 23:32:04 <squeakypants> schasi: that you're making a method that was already defined in the extended class
Sep 09 23:32:10 <squeakypants> a non-abstract method, that is
Sep 09 23:32:44 <squeakypants> in this case don't worry about it, though for the constructor you need to call the super constructor
Sep 09 23:33:16 <squeakypants> f00f-: hmm, i think that'd be weird since the bluetooth doesn't have limited functionality
Sep 09 23:33:32 <squeakypants> f00f-: that is, bluetooth is used for other things in android as well
Sep 09 23:33:46 <f00f-> well there is no bluetooth, remember :)
Sep 09 23:33:57 <f00f-> not for 1.0
Sep 09 23:34:07 <squeakypants> f00f-: eh?? i thought they said it'd be in 1.0
Sep 09 23:34:24 <f00f-> they cut it
Sep 09 23:34:35 <squeakypants> ...how can you use bluetooth headsets then?
Sep 09 23:34:44 <f00f-> well you wil be able to
Sep 09 23:34:48 <f00f-> there will be some internal api
Sep 09 23:34:52 <f00f-> but it wont be exposed to developers
Sep 09 23:34:58 <squeakypants> oh, right :P
Sep 09 23:35:04 <f00f-> so headsets and hopefully basic OBEX will be supported
Sep 09 23:35:06 <f00f-> by some custom app
Sep 09 23:35:10 <f00f-> that is bundled
Sep 09 23:35:21 <f00f-> probably a native app/service
Sep 09 23:35:25 <squeakypants> yeah that's cool, they're just not exposing the bluetooth api yet
Sep 09 23:35:33 <f00f-> yeah
Sep 09 23:35:40 <squeakypants> oh i'd think it'd be built into the OS
Sep 09 23:35:52 <f00f-> they're using the BlueZ stack in the kernel from what i know
Sep 09 23:35:59 <f00f-> just the org.bluez.* classes were too premature
Sep 09 23:36:03 <f00f-> and didnt support much at al
Sep 09 23:36:08 <f00f-> i even filed a bug
Sep 09 23:36:10 <f00f-> complaining baout it
Sep 09 23:36:10 <squeakypants> they'll just take it out of the source code before they release it
Sep 09 23:36:16 <f00f-> i'm glad they took most of my issues to consideration
Sep 09 23:36:23 <squeakypants> really? i heard bluez was pretty good
Sep 09 23:36:38 <f00f-> it's all right, just what they exposed wasnt enough :)
Sep 09 23:36:45 <squeakypants> i see
Sep 09 23:36:51 <squeakypants> brb
Sep 09 23:49:34 <squeakypants> yar
Sep 10 00:10:24 <schasi> Why does a fresh project in eclipse (android plugins installed) display Hello, World! when run?
Sep 10 00:23:59 <f00f-> because it's a hello world project by default
Sep 10 00:24:04 <f00f-> look at your xml
Sep 10 00:24:07 <f00f-> layout
Sep 10 00:24:42 <schasi> uh
Sep 10 00:25:05 <schasi> I don't see any Hello World in the xml file. There is something about hello world in the R.java
Sep 10 00:25:11 <f00f-> maybe
Sep 10 00:28:32 <schasi> You where right, that is in the layout
Sep 10 00:28:33 <schasi> Thank you
Sep 10 00:28:44 <schasi> you really can read, unlike me ;-)
Sep 10 00:30:13 <yakischloba> don't give him too much credit now
Sep 10 00:30:30 <yakischloba> hey did jasta go to ireland or w/e?
Sep 10 00:30:38 * yakischloba pokes jasta 
Sep 10 00:30:43 <f00f-> i think he's in the ire
Sep 10 00:30:56 <yakischloba> yeah i figured. its been too quiet in here recently
Sep 10 00:31:12 <f00f-> but he is listening and reading scrollback i bet :P
Sep 10 00:31:16 <f00f-> so play nice
Sep 10 00:31:23 <yakischloba> yeah of course
Sep 10 00:31:52 <schasi> What do you do with android? Using it for fun, or something else?
Sep 10 00:33:40 <f00f-> heh, i feel bad not returning phone calls to car dealers
Sep 10 00:33:43 <f00f-> but i guess i shouldn't
Sep 10 00:33:46 <yakischloba> bleh. I need to pick up my project again one of these days
Sep 10 00:33:59 <yakischloba> f00f-: car deals don't give a fuck about you
Sep 10 00:34:04 <yakischloba> s/deals/dealers
Sep 10 00:34:11 <f00f-> yeah, so i figure
Sep 10 00:34:40 <f00f-> schasi: fun and eventually profit
Sep 10 00:36:32 <schasi> Nice
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