**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 10 02:59:57 2008 Sep 10 03:05:36 * Razec Hi all Sep 10 05:09:46 hi razec Sep 10 10:37:52 this channel needs an enema Sep 10 10:38:31 is anyone working on an instant messenger program? Sep 10 12:41:44 hmm Sep 10 12:41:59 how to find the width/height of something during layout Sep 10 12:42:02 *activity Sep 10 13:51:30 does android only support opengl es 1.0 or are more recent versions also available? Sep 10 14:40:01 hi, is there going to be any android announcements at the london dev day? Sep 10 14:45:24 eek me freaks out Sep 10 14:48:14 Proteus_: 1.0 only Sep 10 14:48:21 though we are like one function implementation away from 1.1 Sep 10 14:48:32 but we don't claim compatibility with 1.1 Sep 10 14:48:53 mohbana: no Sep 10 14:50:18 so ... is 13th the us release date? Sep 10 14:56:42 ... Sep 10 14:56:59 where did you hear that mohbana Sep 10 15:01:32 morrildl, what are the prospects for OSGi becoming part of android? Sep 10 15:05:27 gambler: we have no plans for that Sep 10 15:09:52 morrildl: when's the market launch? Sep 10 15:10:24 I think some guys have already got it working, there is just a bit of uncertainty surrounding it. Sep 10 15:10:25 http://blog.luminis.nl/roller/luminis/entry/osgi_on_google_android_using Sep 10 15:18:18 Dougie187: october 13th, that is. Sep 10 15:18:27 yeah, but where did you hear it? Sep 10 15:18:46 that's what androidguys have been saying for a while Sep 10 15:19:05 anything official saying it though? Sep 10 15:19:09 or is it just rumours? Sep 10 15:19:10 morrildl, so if android is one function away, I should try to learn 1.1 then? Sep 10 15:19:19 Dougie187: rumors Sep 10 15:19:24 ok Sep 10 15:19:46 just dont use that function Sep 10 15:28:15 being new to embedded graphics programming, could anyone recommend a good way to get going with opengl ES 1.0 (1.1?)? Sep 10 15:52:25 strange, I have a WebView, and when I animate it onto the screen I can't interact with it (seems like it's not focusable), but if I hide it and reanimate it onto the screen it works Sep 10 16:06:31 also, are there any plans for adding hardware support for 3d graphics in at least the higher-end smartphones? Sep 10 16:07:06 I thought the chipsets mentioned in the past included 3d accel support Sep 10 16:07:07 hi Sep 10 16:07:29 um....wats goin on Sep 10 16:07:43 hello? Sep 10 16:07:50 ? Sep 10 16:08:15 hi Sep 10 16:25:23 zhobbs, oh, I thought I read acceleration was no go. Sep 10 16:25:40 I don't think the HTC dream has it Sep 10 16:25:46 oh, maybe Sep 10 16:25:53 don't know Sep 10 16:26:04 what sort of hit do you take with software rendering? Sep 10 16:26:23 I'm not doing anything that justifies hardware rendering I don't think Sep 10 16:27:54 Proteus_: the Qualcomm MSM7K supports 3d acceleration, and that's what the target for the linux kernel google released I think Sep 10 16:27:57 Proteus_: http://www.helloandroid.com/node/22 Sep 10 16:28:46 but, I don't know if that's actually going to be in the first handset Sep 10 16:34:31 I don't need to target the first phone, I just want to have an app that targets as many as possible. most of what I want to do involves audio synthesis, so it's possible I could even have a fallback interface if accelleration isn't present. Sep 10 16:35:36 will the goole app store help with distributing software updates or is that something we have to manage ourselves? Sep 10 16:36:54 and does the same go for copy protection? Sep 10 19:03:53 hmm Sep 10 19:04:14 TextView.setError() only shows callouts to the top, and doesnt point correctly when the TextView is at the bottom of the window Sep 10 19:16:25 Oh Armstrong is coming back. I'm curious how it will work without doping :D Sep 10 19:22:37 Are you implying that Armstrong doped? Sep 10 19:24:40 Well at this time I would say 90% doped. Sep 10 19:25:39 Ullrich, Basso, Pantani etc etc Sep 10 19:26:09 I dont believe anything from this time. They were cycling on the same doping level. Sep 10 19:26:41 first death due to LHC: http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/sep/10end.htm Sep 10 19:27:01 lol Sep 10 19:27:18 I often wonder myself but there is not proof yet. Sep 10 19:29:38 My eight year old son was disturbed as well about the LHC. Mostly he was worried that he would not get his lego for Christmas. :-) Sep 10 19:29:48 :D Sep 10 19:29:51 :) Sep 10 19:49:40 http://www.tuaw.com/2008/09/10/itunes-8-adds-podcast-controls-terms-of-service-geographic-limi/ <- Why do we have this geographical restrictions. From my point of view this kind of thinking is oudated. We have the possibility to get TV shows etc live in the whole world and after that we restrict the possibilities. Sep 10 19:54:47 http://www.fscklog.com/2008/09/sekai-camera-re.html Sep 10 19:54:53 Some kind of Enkin for the iPhone Sep 10 20:24:09 anyone else see this? Sep 10 20:24:12 http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/10/t-mobile-to-offer-android-handset-soon-reuters-reports/ Sep 10 20:30:23 noting really new... Sep 10 20:33:15 hi Sep 10 20:33:19 i need some help Sep 10 20:33:29 i have world "earth" Sep 10 20:33:42 and scene "usa" Sep 10 20:33:54 and camera "vision" Sep 10 20:34:04 and then a model i loaded "foo" Sep 10 20:34:11 how do i link vision to foo? Sep 10 20:40:38 wtf? Sep 10 20:43:45 plusminus: im trying to link a model to a camera Sep 10 20:43:53 but the model and camera are NOT in the same file Sep 10 20:44:35 what are you talking about? Sep 10 20:44:48 oops Sep 10 20:44:49 LOL Sep 10 20:44:51 wrong c hannel Sep 10 20:45:12 plusminus_: romainguy: very sorry.. i meant to post that in #crystalspace Sep 10 20:45:31 :) Sep 10 20:47:11 romainguy: i've been trying to make a game for about a month now =) Sep 10 20:50:38 did andsudoku in 2 days and andpipes in 3 with a friend Sep 10 20:50:59 g2g, bye Sep 10 21:18:10 I have to say that Apples Genius works pretty fine. I havent thought that it could work that well. Sep 10 21:18:45 I'm getting to songs in my library that I would mostly step over. Sep 10 21:21:03 http://code.google.com/p/apps-for-android/source/browse/#svn/trunk/DivideAndConquer Sep 10 21:21:37 New app? Sep 10 21:21:46 Do you have some screens available ? Sep 10 21:22:12 it's a really addictive game :) Sep 10 21:22:13 not yet, i'm putting together a blog post that will probably get out within a couple days Sep 10 21:22:14 i love that game! Sep 10 21:22:23 but thought i'd give you all the heads up :) Sep 10 21:22:36 great thx Sep 10 21:22:42 Does it built at the moment ? Sep 10 21:23:09 * Miek high-fives krosaen Sep 10 21:23:30 anno^da-: yes Sep 10 21:23:47 but i didn't include the build.xml that was generated via the activitycreator.py since it was specific to my machine Sep 10 21:24:06 Miek: thanks! Sep 10 21:24:47 oh yeah, you can thank romain for the icon :) i should give him props in the README for that... Sep 10 21:26:50 krosaen: ah ok great. I'm building it :) Sep 10 21:27:59 me too! :) Sep 10 21:28:48 ahh, jezzball Sep 10 21:36:49 Just some screen for the guys that havent built it right now. Sep 10 21:36:50 http://img.skitch.com/20080910-1rxc2wcdcma936172h36uhxamr.jpg Sep 10 21:38:34 ohh level 5 Sep 10 21:38:52 I'm addicted right now :D Sep 10 21:38:58 the best i've done was level 11, during a really boring meeting :) Sep 10 21:39:06 too bad it doesn't save high scores yet Sep 10 21:39:15 online highscores :) Sep 10 21:39:25 even better on a real phone :)) Sep 10 21:39:27 head to head shootouts :) Sep 10 21:39:45 anno^da-: head to head would rock Sep 10 21:39:51 Yeah Sep 10 21:40:05 not sure how it'd work, but it'd be cool Sep 10 21:40:12 these are the kind of apps I'd like to see :-) Sep 10 21:40:41 Well some kind of counter on the bottom where you can see the percentage of the enemy Sep 10 21:40:57 yeah, I guess whoever clears the most area Sep 10 21:41:03 And if you double tab or something like that you get an overlay of the enemy Sep 10 21:41:17 just, on the same map, or in paralell like tetris? Sep 10 21:41:40 Well parallel would be cool as well but it need some thinking about the rules :-) Sep 10 21:41:46 needs Sep 10 21:42:12 latency is probably a problem if they were on the same playing field Sep 10 21:43:59 Yeah thats right Sep 10 21:44:33 Well there are so much things that you could do in this field of multiplayer gaming Sep 10 21:45:35 yeah, wish bluetooth api's were stronger, could have a lot lower latency playing games against people in bluetooth range Sep 10 21:45:41 romainguy: Do you know if there are some graphically advanced games in developement ? Sep 10 21:46:04 anno^da-: I can't answer any question about what may or may not be in development :) Sep 10 21:46:42 :-) ok. Sep 10 21:49:42 Something about the LHC: http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html Sep 10 21:54:21 lol Sep 10 21:55:51 ;) Sep 10 21:55:58 hello all Sep 10 21:56:11 i have a weird problem with imagebutton and onKeyListener Sep 10 21:56:23 i have a linearlayout of imagebuttons Sep 10 21:56:51 for each image button, i set an onKeyListener to listen for RIGHT and LEFT dpad buttons Sep 10 21:57:18 when the user hits RIGHT, I want the focus to shift to the next image button in the layout Sep 10 21:57:47 krosaen: focus question for you :) Sep 10 21:58:03 but for whatever reason, focus is shifting to the view 2 VIEWS away Sep 10 21:58:06 ... Sep 10 21:58:16 kingkung: why not let android handle the right/left focus automatically? Sep 10 21:58:18 are you doing anything in the onKeyListener? Sep 10 21:58:43 yes, i'm finding the next child in the layout and requesting focus for it Sep 10 21:58:51 why are you doing this? Sep 10 21:58:57 why don't you let Android handle this? Sep 10 21:59:14 kingkung: that should happen automatically Sep 10 21:59:14 kingkung: if you don't handle the directional event, the framework will automatically do a focus search Sep 10 21:59:41 will it wrap? Sep 10 21:59:45 in a linear layout? Sep 10 21:59:57 for the element at the right, you could use nextFocusRight Sep 10 22:00:10 and set it to the id of the view you'd like it to go too Sep 10 22:00:18 that's the way you can override the default focus finding Sep 10 22:00:40 i do find the correct focus Sep 10 22:01:02 it's just that the same key press is detected on THAT view as well Sep 10 22:01:32 kingkung: just look at android:nextFocus* and stop doing the onKey stuff Sep 10 22:01:45 samples/ApiDemos//res/layout/focus_2.xml Sep 10 22:01:50 is an example Sep 10 22:02:31 okay, i'll take a look Sep 10 22:07:04 how is copy protection going to be handled with the commercial app store? That is, if it's handled by the app store at all. Sep 10 22:08:54 Proteus: nobody knows anything besides this: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/08/android-market-user-driven-content.html Sep 10 22:11:13 that's.... disappointingly uninformative. Is there at least a date when we wil lbe told if the marketplace is more like steam or more like youtube? Sep 10 22:11:34 initially it'll only be free apps Sep 10 22:11:44 It'd be nice to have feedback about users, simple update support, copy protection, etc. Sep 10 22:11:48 yeah, I know Sep 10 22:12:04 but _eventually_ there will be commercial apps Sep 10 22:15:30 Sure, but we don't know anything about what it is going to entail. Sep 10 22:15:39 I think there have been conversations of a rating system in here before Sep 10 22:15:49 and possibly some sort of licensing scheme. Sep 10 22:15:54 but i dont know if thats all true or not. Sep 10 22:16:09 also, i don't remember who was talking about it so it might just be a bunch of crap Sep 10 22:19:00 hrmm Sep 10 22:19:13 Is there anyway to queue up Runnable's in a Handler...but not start executing the queue until I tell the Handler to do so? Sep 10 22:19:56 I guess I could manually do it with a List of Runnables or something...just wondering if there's a built in way Sep 10 23:15:32 HTC touch HD, is there anything preventing it running android? Sep 10 23:24:37 How would we know/. Sep 10 23:24:47 The phone hasn't been released yet. Sep 10 23:25:01 However, it looks like it's the same chipset as the HTC Dream, so there probably shouldn't be a problem. Sep 10 23:30:51 so once android is out, will HTC sell the same device with either android or widoze? Sep 10 23:38:17 probably windows... Sep 10 23:38:34 they probably already have a license agreement for it Sep 10 23:38:50 i would personally assume it has something about this situation in it. Sep 10 23:41:07 but noone really knows. Sep 11 00:34:45 ok Sep 11 00:35:25 time to start over on my app Sep 11 00:36:21 is the current revision fundamentally different than m5 in any way? Sep 11 00:41:52 same-o Sep 11 00:42:34 ok Sep 11 00:46:32 havent worked on this stuff for months :( Sep 11 00:46:57 my java discipline has been lost. time to get punished Sep 11 00:54:54 oh wow Sep 11 00:54:57 layout preview in eclipse? Sep 11 00:54:58 sweet Sep 11 01:09:26 who came up with savedInstanceState instead of icicle? icicle is way cooler Sep 11 01:10:25 it was cooler indeed Sep 11 01:10:30 but not really self explanatory Sep 11 01:10:34 (i changed it back) Sep 11 01:10:35 and it was confusing many developers Sep 11 01:10:52 really? I thought it was the perfect word for it once I understood the concept Sep 11 01:14:18 Somebody described "icicle" as "Google trying to be cute" Sep 11 01:14:20 which was true Sep 11 01:15:12 cbeust__: it was probably jasta with such an expression Sep 11 01:16:16 No it wasn't him and it was meant as a compliment :) Sep 11 01:16:34 i think its cute Sep 11 01:16:36 and i like it! Sep 11 01:16:37 lol Sep 11 01:17:13 cbeust__: :) Sep 11 01:18:20 uhg. this is like learning java all over again Sep 11 01:18:34 (as if I ever learned it correctly in the first place) Sep 11 02:14:58 hi, I'm creating a ListView, is it possible to have a specific color for an item? For example if I have A,B,C,D,E, I want item C and D to be colored RED. Sep 11 02:18:37 You can do this in the getView() of your adapter Sep 11 02:19:54 anyone using the Layout-Preview in Eclipse ? Sep 11 02:20:20 most of the time it says "UnsopportedOperationException. STUB NEEDED" Sep 11 02:20:29 even for really simple layouts :( Sep 11 02:20:35 it hasnt worked the best for me :/ Sep 11 02:21:03 it worked ok for my 2 button gui Sep 11 02:21:28 i didnt get what all the dropdowns were for Sep 11 02:24:11 for now its pretty useless, but a really good idea Sep 11 02:26:29 yep. its a pretty hot feature. im looking fwd to it when i write more GUI code. Sep 11 02:38:54 hi plasminus_ thanks for your help. I was able to get the View by : View view = getListAdapter().getView((int) currentSelected, null, Sep 11 02:38:54 null); Sep 11 02:39:19 However, when I did this... nothing happened. Sep 11 02:39:19 TextView tv = (TextView) view; Sep 11 02:39:19 tv.setBackgroundColor(0x00FF00); Sep 11 02:39:19 tv.setTextColor(0xFF0000); Sep 11 02:39:45 no no Sep 11 02:39:50 have you successfully changed the text / background color of a ListView item? Sep 11 02:39:51 don't use getView() to do this Sep 11 02:40:02 because you get a different view Sep 11 02:40:22 all you have to do is call getChildAt(currentSelected - getFirstVisiblePosition()) Sep 11 02:42:57 romainguy, ok i'll try **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 11 02:59:57 2008