**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 12 02:59:57 2008 Sep 12 03:38:48 any winners got offers from google? Sep 12 03:42:11 offers of what? Sep 12 03:44:46 job? Sep 12 03:44:51 pleasure? Sep 12 03:44:55 hehe Sep 12 03:45:55 duey: what's up? how your app coming along? Sep 12 03:46:23 stopped it Sep 12 03:46:26 why? Sep 12 03:48:14 lot of action in apps-for-android Sep 12 03:48:47 im more of a web person Sep 12 03:49:05 im doing some stuff with using javascript to donate computing time Sep 12 03:49:06 argh web dev /o\ Sep 12 03:49:09 :D Sep 12 03:49:20 parasitic javascript Sep 12 03:49:24 me glad, not doing any more web stuff Sep 12 03:49:35 3000 apps for iPhone. I am sure Android will have that many and more. Best to get in early. Sep 12 03:49:38 i do a range of stuff though Sep 12 03:49:44 i like machine learning Sep 12 03:49:47 do quite alot of that Sep 12 03:49:49 yeah, early movers Sep 12 03:50:04 dmoffett: how your app coming along? Sep 12 03:50:22 i dont think i could do just webdev Sep 12 03:50:25 Muthu: pretty well. slow but plodding along. Sep 12 03:50:26 would drive me insane Sep 12 03:50:30 And you? Sep 12 03:50:35 not a challenge Sep 12 03:50:43 dmoffett: just got started.. Sep 12 03:50:46 long way to go Sep 12 03:50:56 muthu: bought any new toys? Sep 12 03:51:07 (having another trip to usa?) Sep 12 03:51:25 waiting for android Sep 12 03:51:36 ah Sep 12 03:51:44 might not release in india :P Sep 12 03:51:45 to buy a gphone asap Sep 12 03:51:56 right, will need to find someone to send me here Sep 12 03:52:02 but then carriers.. Sep 12 03:52:06 might be locked! Sep 12 03:52:12 iphone style Sep 12 03:52:23 will suck for developers Sep 12 03:52:29 indeed Sep 12 03:52:34 need to test my app on the device Sep 12 03:52:56 would be lols if it crashed Sep 12 03:53:04 hehe Sep 12 03:53:18 how they expect the developers to launch their app with the market Sep 12 03:53:35 One thing I was thinking about si the key board might be on the side. Sep 12 03:53:35 muthu: thats what I am questioning myself too Sep 12 03:53:53 plusminus_: devices were probably send out to a ew Sep 12 03:53:57 s/ew/few Sep 12 03:53:58 So you have do most text input with the device on the side. Sep 12 03:54:01 romours of sept 23 are getting really hard! Sep 12 03:54:10 yeah, sep 23 seems likely Sep 12 03:54:22 in that case we have 10 days to write our app ;) Sep 12 03:54:24 muthu: "a few", liek developers? Sep 12 03:54:36 plusminus_: yeah, developers, winners... Sep 12 03:54:59 developers would be great, winners only would be .... not so great ;) Sep 12 03:55:04 There are lots of things to clean up with the real device. Sep 12 03:55:09 might be winners only now.. Sep 12 03:55:17 seems to be the pattern. Sep 12 03:55:24 you were a winner Muthu. Sep 12 03:55:25 dmoffett: unfortunately :( Sep 12 03:55:36 dmoffett: i am a loser winner Sep 12 03:55:58 my share is a part of the winnings.. Sep 12 03:56:02 and that's about it Sep 12 03:56:03 muthu: hm as you are in india and maybe cannot use it, feel free to send it to me Sep 12 03:56:05 :) Sep 12 03:56:17 plusminus_: didn't get any device Sep 12 03:56:19 Romainguy: is using the emulator a good indicator how your app will perform on the real device? Sep 12 03:56:24 you coudl get Sep 12 03:56:39 dmoffett: heaily depends on the host pc running it on! Sep 12 03:56:41 dmoffett: except for performance and screen size, yes Sep 12 03:57:03 and i'm not eager to get a device in india without the carriers supporting it Sep 12 03:57:05 I have yet to see an app that behaves differently between the too Sep 12 03:57:26 romainguy: can we launch it, without testing on real device? Sep 12 03:57:43 depends on the app and how you wrote it Sep 12 03:57:46 but yeah Sep 12 03:57:55 Romainguy: Do you develop apps with text input to work both portrait and landscape? Sep 12 03:58:02 many of our developers work mostly on the emulator Sep 12 03:58:12 great, then emulator is enough Sep 12 03:58:21 Good to know. Sep 12 03:58:34 dmoffett: I never change the interaction based on the orientation Sep 12 03:58:37 or i need to come to SF :) Sep 12 03:58:48 I just make sure that my layouts look and behave great in landscape and portait Sep 12 03:58:49 portrait Sep 12 03:59:00 Muthu: Does Google have an office in India? Sep 12 03:59:07 in bangalore Sep 12 03:59:08 yes Sep 12 03:59:18 Seems like you would be a shoe in there. Sep 12 03:59:44 Once in then you can move after some period of time if you like. Sep 12 03:59:55 working in any organization is a big pain, IMO Sep 12 04:00:17 there are pluses and minuses. Sep 12 04:00:22 my goal for now is to come up with this android product Sep 12 04:00:35 and win adc2 Sep 12 04:00:37 From the outside Google seems like one of the better ones. Sep 12 04:00:51 dmoffett: definitely Sep 12 04:00:52 yeah, google is way better than most Sep 12 04:01:02 romainguy ? Sep 12 04:01:05 yes? Sep 12 04:01:06 ;) Sep 12 04:01:10 It is a good plan but I would plan to make an app people will buy. More money there. :-) Sep 12 04:01:12 lol Sep 12 04:01:20 what can you say from the inside ? Sep 12 04:01:25 about Google? Sep 12 04:01:26 it's great Sep 12 04:01:40 :) Sep 12 04:01:40 but adc2 might require fresh apps Sep 12 04:01:47 and when you work hard, they treat you REALLY well Sep 12 04:01:48 not the one which is already in market Sep 12 04:02:07 and even when things get personal they help you a lot Sep 12 04:02:07 I heard if you are over 25 you can't get into Google. Sep 12 04:02:16 romainguy sounds even better that I thought :) Sep 12 04:02:16 really? Sep 12 04:02:20 dmoffett: certainly not true Sep 12 04:02:21 and your iQ has to be over 25 as well. :-) Sep 12 04:02:25 hehe Sep 12 04:02:31 :-D Sep 12 04:02:51 Yeah I did not think so. Just a rumor. Sep 12 04:02:56 if google opens in chennai, it would be great Sep 12 04:03:01 but they will not.. Sep 12 04:03:03 when IQ reaches room-temperature... in Celsius its even better ;) Sep 12 04:03:11 or funnier... Sep 12 04:03:18 lol Sep 12 04:03:31 some winners got google offers is another rumor Sep 12 04:04:09 Based on what I have seen a rumor has about 10% chance of being true. Sep 12 04:04:17 badly want to know, the market launch date Sep 12 04:04:24 so can get the app ready Sep 12 04:04:31 or atleast plan for a roadmap Sep 12 04:04:35 will the app store launch on the same day? Sep 12 04:04:51 morridl: when's the market launch? Sep 12 04:04:57 I do find it strange that there is not much more of a clear plan. Sep 12 04:05:11 why can't google just set a date? Sep 12 04:05:18 to help the developers.. prepare Sep 12 04:05:21 romainguy btw the Geocoder is really great! If the bounding-box works, its even better! Sep 12 04:05:34 muthu: ... mystery? Sep 12 04:05:57 Setting a date is tricky since then they either make it or look bad. Sep 12 04:06:16 google skips date regularly Sep 12 04:06:20 so that wouldn't be a surprise Sep 12 04:06:35 There seems to be a plethora of people that love to see these companies look bad. Sep 12 04:06:54 a tentative date.. may be Sep 12 04:07:03 http://www.jsharkey.org/blog/2008/09/11/quick-database-row-editor-in-android-09-sdk/ Sep 12 04:08:02 if i were to name one android winner, i'll name jeff Sep 12 04:08:12 yeah the way Google handles android is strange to most for sure. Sep 12 04:08:29 Why? Sep 12 04:08:44 jeff seems to get both sides of it - technical/business Sep 12 04:09:27 brilliant idea - brilliant marketing - brilliant execution = brilliant scan!! Sep 12 04:10:29 he had made a lot of people envy, including me :) Sep 12 04:10:40 Muthu: How do the Indian Gods explain why some people have everything and most have little? Sep 12 04:11:02 wow Sep 12 04:11:03 gods must be crazy! Sep 12 04:11:32 s/gods/people Sep 12 04:11:39 gambler: the app store will launch the same day as of the device Sep 12 04:12:06 I ve got one app here I might put on just out of curiosity Sep 12 04:12:14 the diversity of indian gods.. is again a big puzzle Sep 12 04:12:18 see what kind of userbase it attracts Sep 12 04:12:18 just like the people Sep 12 04:12:41 gambler: what app? Sep 12 04:12:41 dmoffett, what prompted you to ask that? Sep 12 04:13:05 that reminds me to update twitter.. Sep 12 04:13:22 Jeffery Sharkey seems to have it all and I wondered why God seemed to give me only good looks. :-) Sep 12 04:13:24 muthu, its nothing flash Sep 12 04:13:35 gambler: simple stuff wins Sep 12 04:13:46 agree Sep 12 04:13:53 my goal is to put an app in the market, the first day Sep 12 04:14:03 doesn't matter what my app does! Sep 12 04:14:07 it will have to be free right. Sep 12 04:14:12 yes Sep 12 04:14:22 free... initially Sep 12 04:14:50 Did you hear about the iPhone app that did nothing and sold for $999. He sold 8 copies before Apple pulled it? Sep 12 04:14:56 wow! Sep 12 04:15:07 I think he even said it did nothing. Sep 12 04:15:12 haha Sep 12 04:15:13 because people didn't believe in the price.. Sep 12 04:15:26 no it said System.ot.println("Im RICH"); Sep 12 04:15:26 why should apple pull it? Sep 12 04:15:31 lol Sep 12 04:15:34 I wonder if apps also get updated through th emarket ... Sep 12 04:15:44 I love that story Sep 12 04:15:57 plusminus_: how else would you update? Sep 12 04:15:57 I might have bought it just to anger my family Sep 12 04:16:17 muthu: exactly, thats what I tought og :) Sep 12 04:16:18 f Sep 12 04:16:42 http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2008/08/iphone-i-am-ric.html Sep 12 04:16:57 probably just like trackdroid did... was a realy good project! Sep 12 04:17:37 amazing.. how people pay $999 that easy Sep 12 04:18:03 I would kick my own ass if I bought that. Sep 12 04:18:10 I'll make an "AndLight" for $1337 Sep 12 04:18:18 dont mess up that pretty litle face of yours Sep 12 04:18:27 i'll buy AndLight :) Sep 12 04:18:34 yeeeha Sep 12 04:18:37 gambler: lol Sep 12 04:18:59 He has not seen me obviously. Sep 12 04:19:13 haha Sep 12 04:19:16 Jeffery Sharkey seems to have it all and I wondered why God seemed to give me only good looks. :-) Sep 12 04:19:36 That is for those who have. :-) Sep 12 04:20:13 gambler: were you at IO? Sep 12 04:20:31 there was/is a hacked version of I Am Rich for jailbroken iphones ... no comment on the people who need such an app =) Sep 12 04:21:07 muthu, no was it good? I barely leave my office these days. Im going stir crazy from coding 24/7 Sep 12 04:21:35 it was good just meeting people Sep 12 04:21:51 gambler: very hard to get into the 24/7 mode Sep 12 04:21:56 maybe I will go to the next one. I want to meet jasta Sep 12 04:21:58 i'm stuck with code block these days Sep 12 04:22:07 oh yeah, jasta Sep 12 04:22:20 Jasta has promised to kick my ass when he sees me again. Sep 12 04:22:22 we were all waiting for him, and then he arrived! Sep 12 04:22:35 :p Sep 12 04:22:39 and what happened Sep 12 04:22:39 dmoffett: he does that to everyone Sep 12 04:22:54 is he on vacation? Sep 12 04:23:05 damn and I felt special. Sep 12 04:23:06 no fun, without him ;) Sep 12 04:23:20 either that or he died Sep 12 04:23:33 haha Sep 12 04:23:51 He is obviously smart but may need work on delivery. Sep 12 04:24:15 your typical "Im so smart" geek Sep 12 04:24:59 he's a smart fella Sep 12 04:25:00 who has been divorced and has a lesbian mother Sep 12 04:25:13 that's not true Sep 12 04:25:27 thats what he told me Sep 12 04:26:22 so who from the channel was at the last IO? Sep 12 04:26:52 I was there and Muthu was there. Sep 12 04:27:23 a lot of them were there Sep 12 04:27:35 except for romainguy Sep 12 04:28:37 muthu, did you fly over just for it or was this part of your contest win Sep 12 04:28:58 part of the victory, and i wanted to visit SF Sep 12 04:29:06 and meet my team etc., Sep 12 04:29:34 how did you meet your team originally? Sep 12 04:29:51 ahhhhhh Sep 12 04:30:00 its been joy and pain Sep 12 04:30:20 now i'm starting all over Sep 12 04:31:08 I understand Sep 12 04:31:13 Starting all over again with out any idea of the ground rules for ADC II. :-( Sep 12 04:31:25 haha Sep 12 04:31:41 same thing more money more honey I bet Sep 12 04:31:53 atleast the market will be true Sep 12 04:32:05 the painful part is people keep asking about the app that won Sep 12 04:32:07 Maybe they will divide the other 5M up differently. Sep 12 04:32:20 and i don't have a clue Sep 12 04:32:35 dmoffett, what are you working on - did you field an app? Sep 12 04:32:38 Muthu == Cooking Capsules until you win ADC II. :-) Sep 12 04:32:45 yup Sep 12 04:32:56 need to get out of that image Sep 12 04:32:57 lol Sep 12 04:33:17 gambler: I entered a location based real estate search program. Sep 12 04:33:25 I did not win though. Sep 12 04:33:40 lol considering the state of the U.S. market Sep 12 04:33:44 but a great idea nonetheless Sep 12 04:33:50 yeah, bad timing Sep 12 04:33:52 Good Point. Sep 12 04:33:54 but a great idea Sep 12 04:34:05 Don't think that is why it did not win though. Sep 12 04:34:22 It was a bit rough around the edges. :-) Sep 12 04:34:47 in australia there is one website that makes pretty sick money doing listings...realestate.com.au Sep 12 04:35:00 pretty weak imo...slow and buggy Sep 12 04:35:24 I think that might be related to realestate.com in the US. Sep 12 04:36:14 maybe not Sep 12 05:15:08 gn8 Sep 12 05:20:52 Romainguy: Do you have any recommendations for making UIs work well in portrait and landscape? Can't seem to find much discussion on the subject. Sep 12 05:21:41 there's no specific recommendation Sep 12 05:21:46 just use layout-land/ and layout-port/ Sep 12 05:21:53 and drawable-land/ and drawable-port/ Sep 12 05:23:31 thank you. Sep 12 12:29:18 hi guys Sep 12 12:30:14 i didnt find anything, but is there some sign of google gears for android? Sep 12 12:35:15 mh, i guess it doesnt. until chrome for android is done. Sep 12 12:35:54 next question: is there a way to access some phone related stuff from the webbrowser (files, contacts, whatever)? :o Sep 12 12:49:28 i'm not the big expert, but i'd say: not with the com.android.browser, but possible with a custom app using android.webkit.WebViewClient (or even WebView?!) Sep 12 12:51:02 mh, yeah i thought so. i was asked by some guys at my company, so i am researching Sep 12 12:51:43 they said that it's possible on the iphone to have some access to stuff. havent been specific though. i guess they mean files, location, contacts Sep 12 12:52:04 would be a pretty bad feature to expose such data in the default browser Sep 12 12:52:17 only on user interaction they said Sep 12 12:52:26 i think on the iphone it also works through some special mechanism Sep 12 12:52:49 i was wondering how, because.. well.. it's no html or js-standard.. but well Sep 12 12:55:25 the people wo really know it have propably signed this stupid nda to get the iphone sdk, so they can't talk about it =D Sep 12 13:15:31 mh Sep 12 13:15:35 thats disappointing Sep 12 13:16:12 i just checked with the standard browser in 0.9 and i cant even upload something, every button to search files with says "upload disabled" Sep 12 13:16:22 :/ Sep 12 13:16:42 i atleast expected to choose from some photos i have made Sep 12 13:20:52 buster`: but there is gears 0.4.8.0 in the browser apparently Sep 12 13:21:29 and i'd guess the upload diabled is nothing that will be in the final Sep 12 13:21:57 i just checked on an iphone from a colleague. its the same there Sep 12 13:22:22 no file dialog allowed in the browser. quite disppointing if you want to upload a photo to your blog, i'd say Sep 12 13:22:41 but thanks, with the gears thing. dou you have a reference? the docs dont mention gears at all Sep 12 13:27:09 open the browser, menu, more, settings at the very bottom Sep 12 13:27:23 but does not seem to work Sep 12 13:28:21 and finally.. what are those widgets/icons in the homescreen called? i was asked if its possible to update the icon from external events (internet calls, whatever) Sep 12 13:28:36 i think so, but i wanted to have some docs i can refer to Sep 12 13:28:41 and thanks.. nice.. so gears is built in :) Sep 12 13:33:51 i don't think you can update the activity icon from within code Sep 12 13:34:13 and custom widgets is also not possible atm afaik Sep 12 13:34:25 custom widgets on the home screen Sep 12 13:51:06 yeah... somewhere was mentioned that the custom widget API will be released in future Sep 12 13:57:42 mh.. PackageManager does have public abstract Drawable getApplicationIcon(ApplicationInfo info)... would drawing in the returned drawable also update the icon in the homescreen? :o Sep 12 14:05:24 buster`: shortcuts can be created on the homescreen Sep 12 14:27:30 wondering is it possible to install andoid on a nokia e71? Sep 12 14:27:38 plb_: not yet Sep 12 14:28:25 ah pity...hopefully someone soon will figure out a way to do it Sep 12 14:28:42 plb_: the source for android isn't out, so porting isn't happenin yet Sep 12 14:28:59 when's it come out? Sep 12 14:29:07 whenever the phones come out Sep 12 14:29:29 porting is happening, the kernel patch is avaliable Sep 12 14:29:34 I'm not quite sure what you mean? Sep 12 14:30:12 ulmen: but the framework and java vm source isn't available, so will only work natively on a specific arm arch Sep 12 14:30:28 so how does it all work...you will be able to install android to any phone provided it's ported to it? Sep 12 14:30:30 zhobbs: which is enough for some devices =) Sep 12 14:30:42 yep Sep 12 14:30:43 I believe the e71 has the hardware specs Sep 12 14:31:08 hm neat Sep 12 14:31:38 so was android really on that n95...I think I saw a video of it Sep 12 14:31:41 plb_: if you can get linux to run on the phone then odds are good you can get android on it (after source is out)... Sep 12 14:31:42 sometime ago Sep 12 14:32:01 i think the problem with this one is more like there is no linux "ported" to it at all ... the best kernel is useless without good knowledge of the bootloader and flash-process Sep 12 14:32:24 well they got linux running on ipods and such lol Sep 12 14:33:43 so how does it work for like that htc dream...will the source be released for that phone? Sep 12 14:33:51 and phones locked to providers Sep 12 14:34:45 hm ok e71 runs arm11 processor at 369mhz Sep 12 14:35:02 the source will be released for the whole android platform, and the source is already released for the gpl projects Sep 12 14:35:31 released source: http://code.google.com/p/android/downloads/list Sep 12 14:36:05 nice Sep 12 14:44:27 so the process of loading andoid on a phone is somewhat similar to rockbox on the ipod? Sep 12 14:45:31 replacing the firmware so to speak Sep 12 14:49:40 just talk about linux, getting a vanilla linux kernel to boot is a very big first step to archieve Sep 12 14:49:59 you would have to find out how the bootloader on this device works, where it loads things etc .. Sep 12 14:50:23 thex you would have to find out how to write to the flash Sep 12 14:51:07 there is probably some more work at this point i'm not aware of Sep 12 14:51:21 interesting Sep 12 14:52:22 so when does the whole source get released? Sep 12 14:52:53 once linux boots, you still don't have a framebuffer or anything working (if there is not already some driver for the hardware developed) Sep 12 14:53:25 so you make calls from a terminal or something lol Sep 12 14:53:58 common belief is when the first handset gets released Sep 12 14:54:24 Yeah, I suppose that would make sense Sep 12 14:54:37 and a very very vague rumor said this happens on sept 23 Sep 12 14:54:44 ya, I heard that Sep 12 14:54:56 when tmo announces the dream Sep 12 14:58:16 hm so how can it can be locked to tmobile? Sep 12 15:00:16 the firmware running on the gsm-processor is responsible for that i'd guess Sep 12 15:00:29 and this is probably not open-source Sep 12 15:00:35 ah Sep 12 16:36:33 plb_: standard procedure for smartphones where you can load compiled source is to have an auxiliary processor like a small ARM7 that controls critical phone functions they don't want open to modification.. IIRC this is what was done with the Greenphone Sep 12 16:37:07 obviously they don't open source what the ARM7 is running. Sep 12 16:41:58 how could I do a "ripple" effect on an image? not animation, just a one time effect Sep 12 17:28:22 hello Sep 12 17:28:56 i was wondering Sep 12 17:29:22 what does android do differently on first launch of an app and every subsequent launch? Sep 12 17:29:35 it seems like database queries are cached Sep 12 17:30:06 etc. Sep 12 17:34:53 kingkung: db queries aren't cached Sep 12 17:35:20 kingkung: if you hit "back" to exit the app it terminates the app, if you hit "home" then it just pauses the app (minimizes) Sep 12 17:37:00 kingkung: read up on activity lifecycle: http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/app/Activity.html Sep 12 18:07:59 yes Sep 12 18:08:14 my application calls create/start/resume when it starts up Sep 12 18:08:22 and pause/stop/destroy when it exits Sep 12 18:08:38 when i start it up again, i get different logging than the first time i installed+launched Sep 12 18:08:54 kingkung: what do you get? Sep 12 18:08:58 all of the logging i had in my database classes are gone Sep 12 18:09:05 and the app starts in much less time Sep 12 18:09:29 are you getting create/start/resume? Sep 12 18:09:34 yep Sep 12 18:17:11 hey, does anyone know if i can override the Dialer interface on making a phone call? Sep 12 18:22:50 kingkung : on real hardware ? Sep 12 19:00:25 romainguy_: could you tell me what getExternalStorageState() gives me back ? Sep 12 19:00:47 Is there a method to get true or false regarding the state of the external card. (if it is available or not) Sep 12 19:04:58 If the SD card is available, it will return Environment.MEDIA_MOUNTED (which is a string) Sep 12 19:06:04 The other possible values are unmounted (SD card is there, but no file system is mounted), removed (SD card is missing), and "shared" (the SD card is being used for USB mass storage). Sep 12 19:09:48 when the device is mounted for mass storage, is the whole filessytem exposed, or just sdcard? Sep 12 19:10:35 was thinking about writing a kio plugin to access the filessytem through adb, but that's not necassary if you can just mount the whole filesystem up Sep 12 19:10:41 USB mass storage only exposes the SD card. Sep 12 19:11:05 Actually the first partition on the card (but usually there will only be one). Sep 12 19:11:15 ok, thanks Sep 12 19:11:27 so still might be worth a kio wrapper to go throuh adb Sep 12 19:11:42 The eclipse plugin exposes the file system, but that is implemented on top of commands like "adb shell ls", "adb push", "adb pull", etc. Sep 12 19:11:52 yeah Sep 12 19:12:27 I'm just thinking it'd be cool to pull up a sqlite gui and browse to android:/data/... or edit a preferences file in kate, etc Sep 12 19:48:11 mikez5: you are also from google, right? Sep 12 19:55:00 Yes, I am Sep 12 20:03:57 mikez5: thank you Sep 12 20:04:15 I got another question which is really important for me Sep 12 20:05:52 I'm using the Location Manager to get some location data. Everything worked fine. But after wiping the emulator and reinstalling I'm always getting an error while receiving the location data. Do I miss something? Sep 12 20:08:20 Ok I have to push the location one time Sep 12 20:44:23 romainguy_: fyi, this crash always happens when starting an animation: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/ff6e75fb273896c8# Sep 12 20:46:33 may not be a problem with animation, might just be that animation is memory heavy and I'm hogging all the memory Sep 12 20:47:14 you run out of memory Sep 12 20:47:16 your fault :)) Sep 12 20:47:20 hehe Sep 12 20:47:24 yeah, figured Sep 12 20:47:28 animations cache the views in bitmaps Sep 12 20:47:32 you can just disable the cache if you want Sep 12 20:47:53 nah...my tab system is launching tons of different activities...need to kill them sometimes Sep 12 20:48:07 right now I'm leaving them alive, just hiding the view Sep 12 20:48:13 bad idea :) Sep 12 20:48:20 yep Sep 12 20:48:29 I think it's what TabHost does right? Sep 12 22:43:33 this is a stupid question Sep 12 22:43:35 but Sep 12 22:43:46 how do i retrieve the contentView of an activity?? Sep 12 22:44:00 it used to be getContentView(), right? Sep 12 22:44:06 did they take that out? Sep 12 22:44:42 I don't remember any getContentView() Sep 12 22:44:46 anyway Sep 12 22:44:52 just use findViewById() Sep 12 22:45:12