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Sep 18 03:17:29 <SanMehat> argh! tivo! argh!
Sep 18 03:17:34 <gdsx> :o)
Sep 18 03:17:49 <gdsx> SanMehat: what's up with it?
Sep 18 03:18:03 <SanMehat> i'm not getting most of the premium channels
Sep 18 03:18:33 <SanMehat> like HBO
Sep 18 03:21:39 <gdsx> aah
Sep 18 03:41:40 <muthu_> can android resources used from our app's xml?
Sep 18 03:41:48 <muthu_>         android:background="android:@color/white"
Sep 18 03:41:52 <muthu_> something like that?
Sep 18 03:47:33 <_avatar> i believe it would be android:background="@android:color/white"
Sep 18 03:47:40 <muthu_> thanks
Sep 18 03:47:44 <_avatar> i use: android:background="@android:drawable/divider_horizontal_bright"
Sep 18 03:47:47 <muthu_> yup, that works
Sep 18 03:47:55 <_avatar> cool
Sep 18 03:48:13 <muthu_> reusing all android stuff ;)
Sep 18 03:48:29 <muthu_> why bother creating custom, when android has all nice icons/styles etc.,
Sep 18 03:48:50 <muthu_> this gallery view is so cool..
Sep 18 03:49:07 <muthu_> added buttons to the gallery, and now i get this fling left/right for free!!
Sep 18 03:49:32 <muthu_> fantabulastic!!!
Sep 18 03:50:05 <_avatar> nice. what are you working on, if you don't mind me asking?
Sep 18 03:50:16 <muthu_> http://mobeegal.in
Sep 18 03:50:55 <_avatar> awesome. :)
Sep 18 03:51:09 <muthu_> oh yeah.. can't wait to put it on market
Sep 18 04:08:13 <plusminus_> anyone yet tried to get the address of a contact through the content-provider ?
Sep 18 04:08:33 <plusminus_> i think in m5 it did not yet work, but now ?
Sep 18 04:40:49 <dmoffett> DatePicker needs some love.
Sep 18 05:47:35 <umdk1d3> ROFL @ http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyimages/1151.jpg
Sep 18 05:47:49 <umdk1d3> iphone app acceptance decision chart
Sep 18 06:13:50 <Adamant> wow
Sep 18 06:13:59 <Adamant> seeing those guys slag the process is pretty impressive
Sep 18 06:25:07 <romainguy___> re
Sep 18 06:26:29 <Adamant> re?
Sep 18 06:27:06 <umdk1d3> ooh!
Sep 18 06:27:08 <umdk1d3> com.google.android.radar.SHOW_RADAR
Sep 18 06:27:12 <umdk1d3> wats this now?  =D
Sep 18 06:27:32 <romainguy___> hehe
Sep 18 06:27:35 <romainguy___> it's pretty cool
Sep 18 06:27:47 <romainguy___> it shows a radar
Sep 18 06:27:56 <romainguy___> with the distance and bearing to the lat/long you send to the intent
Sep 18 06:28:01 <umdk1d3> does it exist in 0.9?
Sep 18 06:28:12 <romainguy___> no, it's an apk on the Android Market
Sep 18 06:28:18 <umdk1d3> =D
Sep 18 06:29:08 <romainguy___> it'll probably be released as open source
Sep 18 06:29:12 <romainguy___> Mike wrote it :)
Sep 18 06:29:15 <romainguy___> for another app
Sep 18 06:29:23 <romainguy___> (a very cool app for that matter)
Sep 18 06:29:26 <umdk1d3> gah all these secret apps  :P
Sep 18 06:31:53 <f00f-> nice nice
Sep 18 06:35:26 <romainguy___> it's not really secret
Sep 18 06:35:44 <romainguy___> just enjoy the updates on Photostream :p
Sep 18 06:36:20 <romainguy___> there's my other app I need to finish too :(
Sep 18 06:36:31 <umdk1d3> the "check daily for updates" is an excellent example
Sep 18 06:36:38 <umdk1d3> sadly i wonder how much of it will fall through the cracks
Sep 18 06:36:47 <umdk1d3> because people saw the app the first time with the blog post
Sep 18 06:36:50 <umdk1d3> and looked at it just once
Sep 18 06:36:55 <romainguy___> ah yes, I know :(
Sep 18 06:38:59 <romainguy___> it's also a good example to show how to use sqlite without a content provider ^^
Sep 18 06:39:48 <umdk1d3> i guess ive always used SQLiteOpenHelper
Sep 18 06:39:54 <umdk1d3> (is that what its doing?)
Sep 18 06:39:57 * umdk1d3 peeks
Sep 18 06:40:02 <romainguy___> yes
Sep 18 06:40:34 <romainguy___> my other app is interesting because it shows how to properly use managed Cursors in filtered adapters
Sep 18 06:40:36 <umdk1d3> its tempting to always just wipe the database onUpgrade()   ;)  gonna need to break that habit
Sep 18 06:40:52 <romainguy___> updating the data is pretty simple with sql
Sep 18 06:41:05 <umdk1d3> oh yea, ALTER TABLE
Sep 18 06:44:25 <romainguy___> but I really want to open source this one: http://jext.free.fr/shelves_search.png
Sep 18 06:44:38 <romainguy___> this time not using Amazon
Sep 18 06:45:30 <umdk1d3> the tough part is the API keys
Sep 18 06:45:48 <umdk1d3> i wonder how many people actually changed the key that came with the photostream app
Sep 18 06:45:59 <romainguy___> probably nobody
Sep 18 06:46:16 <romainguy___> but whatever, they don't have the private key to do proper authentifcation
Sep 18 07:42:02 <umdk1d3> gah i cant sleep
Sep 18 07:42:49 <gambler> turn off your computer - its the only way
Sep 18 07:43:02 <umdk1d3> i did that an hour ago  :P
Sep 18 07:43:10 <umdk1d3> kept tossing+turning lol
Sep 18 07:43:33 <gambler> I occasionally have to do do-overs where I stay up 24 hours straight to reset my timeclock so I sympathise
Sep 18 07:58:01 <f00f-> i keep tossin and turnin.. sos.. somebody help me
Sep 18 07:58:27 <f00f-> can you go back in time with these do-overs ?
Sep 18 07:59:42 <gambler> Well Im GMT+10 so with a very fast jet it may be possible.
Sep 18 08:00:01 <f00f-> that works
Sep 18 08:02:02 <f00f-> &
Sep 18 08:02:20 <gambler> fg
Sep 18 08:03:30 <gambler> umdk1d3, u still there?
Sep 18 08:03:42 <umdk1d3> sup
Sep 18 08:04:43 <gambler> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9JA4--0KVM&feature=related
Sep 18 08:04:46 <gambler> thank me later
Sep 18 08:06:00 <umdk1d3> loooool
Sep 18 08:06:14 <gambler> there are a bunch of them
Sep 18 08:06:19 <gambler> #2 is Draft day
Sep 18 08:06:31 <gambler> they are all pretty awesome
Sep 18 08:07:06 <umdk1d3> rofl @ tps reports
Sep 18 08:08:45 <gambler> that is totally how Im going to run my company
Sep 18 08:31:13 <gambler> can I start a service on system-boot or do I need to start an activity that starts a service?
Sep 18 09:08:37 <tric> gambler: afaik you still need a "helper" activity that starts on boot and starts your service
Sep 18 09:09:13 <EQU> hello, how to creat Intent, that opens image viewer with my photo ( located at "/files" folder ) ?
Sep 18 09:21:36 <EQU> romainguy___: hello
Sep 18 09:21:42 <EQU> romainguy___: how to creat Intent, that opens image viewer with my photo ( located at "/files" folder ) ?
Sep 18 10:17:13 <gambler> way to force eclipse to regenerate my R.java file? Android-Tools->Fix Project Properties does nothing.
Sep 18 12:37:32 <Dougie187> you guys see this yet?
Sep 18 12:37:32 <Dougie187> http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/18/android-powered-htc-dream-to-sell-for-199-on-t-mobile/
Sep 18 12:37:55 <muthu> gr8 news
Sep 18 12:45:22 <mohbana> the phone looks ugly
Sep 18 12:46:30 <Dougie187> so does your face?
Sep 18 12:46:43 <Dougie187> ;)
Sep 18 12:47:59 <mohbana> what other phones are due? who else are going to ship android other than htc?
Sep 18 12:48:33 <Dougie187> noone knows yet.
Sep 18 12:48:44 <Dougie187> Samsung is supposed to at some point.
Sep 18 12:48:47 <Dougie187> go look through the OHA
Sep 18 12:49:02 <Dougie187> i would assume any phone manufacturer from there would ship a phone at some point
Sep 18 12:51:48 <Dougie187> Motorola, LG, Samsung, HTC
Sep 18 13:41:31 <bravvve> hi is android compatibl with nokia?
Sep 18 13:53:47 <muthu> no
Sep 18 13:54:38 <bravvve>  muthu:then compatible with what?
Sep 18 13:54:57 <muthu> compatible with google
Sep 18 13:55:23 <plusminus_> :-D
Sep 18 13:55:47 <tethridge> bravvve, it may be compatible with nokia, if nokia wants it to be
Sep 18 13:55:52 <bravvve> :-Djust google?
Sep 18 13:56:16 <tethridge> nokia would just have to write the proper drivers
Sep 18 13:56:18 <bravvve>  tethridge: explaine
Sep 18 13:56:52 <bravvve> tethridge: i know but is it work on nokia?
Sep 18 13:57:37 <tethridge> at this time, I haven't heard of android running on a nokia phone
Sep 18 13:57:46 <tethridge> but that doesn't mean it couldn't in the future
Sep 18 13:58:04 <bravvve> longue future?
Sep 18 13:58:12 <tethridge> well hopefully
Sep 18 13:58:51 <gambler> its already runs fine on the n810
Sep 18 14:00:06 <bravvve> look i would like that my projet of graduation will be on android,is it good idea?
Sep 18 14:01:09 <gambler> as long as it has a longue future
Sep 18 14:01:39 <bravvve> mean?
Sep 18 14:02:21 <muthu> bravvve, yeah do your project on android
Sep 18 14:02:30 <muthu> its a great idea
Sep 18 14:02:41 <Dougie187> Personally, I would assume that nokia would never write drivers for android.
Sep 18 14:02:45 <Dougie187> mainly because nokia has symbian.
Sep 18 14:02:49 <bravvve> bu i must devlop an application,and it must run on mobile
Sep 18 14:02:59 <gambler> what drivers...its 90% java
Sep 18 14:03:23 <Dougie187> longue future?
Sep 18 14:03:41 <gambler> we can only hope
Sep 18 14:03:44 <Dougie187> n810 isnt a phone too.
Sep 18 14:03:48 <Dougie187> what about n95?
Sep 18 14:04:06 <Dougie187> and we have heard that it needs hardware drivers to be compatible with the handsets.
Sep 18 14:04:09 <Dougie187> like gps and stuff.
Sep 18 14:04:24 <bravvve> and the auther mobile?
Sep 18 14:04:28 <Dougie187> and they are not generic.
Sep 18 14:04:35 <bravvve> sony ericson
Sep 18 14:04:39 <bravvve> for exemple
Sep 18 14:05:21 <Dougie187> Sony ericson isnt in the OHA
Sep 18 14:05:32 <Dougie187> so possibly, but probably not from them.
Sep 18 14:05:33 <bravvve> OHA???
Sep 18 14:05:45 <Dougie187> your best bet would be Samsung, LG, HTC, and Motorola
Sep 18 14:06:03 <Dougie187> http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/
Sep 18 14:06:03 <bravvve> lg
Sep 18 14:06:28 <bravvve>  Dougie187: hi how are u
Sep 18 14:06:31 <Dougie187> good.
Sep 18 14:06:42 <gambler> he love you longue time
Sep 18 14:06:54 <gambler> bravvve, :p what country?
Sep 18 14:07:04 <bravvve> algeria
Sep 18 14:07:52 <gambler> very good
Sep 18 14:08:07 <bravvve>  gambler: u?
Sep 18 14:08:29 <gambler> bravvve, australia
Sep 18 14:08:45 <bravvve> very good to
Sep 18 14:09:08 <bravvve> :-D
Sep 18 14:10:09 <gambler> ok great...I went for my first run in forever tonight
Sep 18 14:10:51 <gambler> all this coding is making me antsy
Sep 18 14:12:48 <bravvve> and with lg mobile,is android work
Sep 18 14:13:34 <Dougie187> don't know yet
Sep 18 14:13:37 <Dougie187> but they are in the OHA
Sep 18 14:13:43 <Dougie187> so one would assume that at some point it will.
Sep 18 14:15:18 <gambler> try a little experiment here: 	
Sep 18 14:15:19 <gambler> ربما مدرستك المشروع ينبغي ان يكون التطبيق على استخدام translate.google.com من العربية الى English
Sep 18 14:15:29 <yakischloba> lol
Sep 18 14:15:43 <bravvve> :-D
Sep 18 14:15:53 <gambler> the input was: "maybe your school project should be an application to use translate.google.com from english to arabic"
Sep 18 14:16:08 <gambler> bravvve, did it work?
Sep 18 14:16:46 <bravvve> yes ,but am not in school
Sep 18 14:17:09 <gambler> <bravvve> look i would like that my projet of graduation will be on android,is it good idea?
Sep 18 14:17:39 <bravvve> yes,project to get ingeniring diplom
Sep 18 14:18:08 <plusminus_> gambler: this is the wrong place to ask such a question, because 99% in here love Android :)
Sep 18 14:19:07 <plusminus_> oh it was bravvve asking that *oops*
Sep 18 14:19:29 <bravvve> well i know that android is the future,but i have 1 yer to terminate my project,not all the future
Sep 18 14:19:33 <gambler> no problem. we are just chatting now with bravveheart
Sep 18 14:20:09 <Dougie187> ... that was cheesy gambler
Sep 18 14:20:14 <plusminus_> if you ar not using BT, you could finish it with SDk 1.0
Sep 18 14:21:56 <gambler> Dougie187, your right ofc. I blame in on not enough recreation.
Sep 18 14:22:07 <gambler> im not used to working this hard like ever
Sep 18 14:23:21 <Dougie187> take a nap.
Sep 18 14:23:31 <bravvve> are there books for the android
Sep 18 14:23:47 <Dougie187> check amazon
Sep 18 14:24:00 <bravvve> ok
Sep 18 14:24:41 <muthu> bravve, android docs is good enought
Sep 18 14:24:46 <muthu> anddev.org
Sep 18 14:24:49 <muthu> helloandroid.com
Sep 18 14:24:56 <Dougie187> phandroid.com
Sep 18 14:25:03 <Dougie187> code.google.com/android
Sep 18 14:25:14 <muthu> yeah, and 1001 other android sites ;)
Sep 18 14:26:19 <Dougie187> muthu: you guys know how much CC is going to cost/
Sep 18 14:26:52 <muthu> Dougie187, a free version is getting ready
Sep 18 14:26:59 <Dougie187> Ohh, a free version?!
Sep 18 14:27:14 <muthu> yeah, will launch at market
Sep 18 14:27:15 <Dougie187> that's exciting.
Sep 18 14:27:24 <Dougie187> what about the non-free version?
Sep 18 14:27:57 <muthu> no idea
Sep 18 14:28:07 <Dougie187> you took your money and ran?
Sep 18 14:28:09 <muthu> you must ask the CEO of CC ;)
Sep 18 14:28:24 <Dougie187> ... theres a ceo?
Sep 18 14:28:30 <Dougie187> of an android app?
Sep 18 14:28:36 <muthu> http://cookingcapsules.com
Sep 18 14:28:37 <plusminus_> its somehow crazy the android market will be released the day the devices come out...
Sep 18 14:28:54 <muthu> how do we get the app to the market?
Sep 18 14:29:01 <plusminus_> no clue !!
Sep 18 14:29:03 <muthu> is there a registration?
Sep 18 14:29:19 <plusminus_> half a week or so would be definitely enough
Sep 18 14:29:35 <Dougie187> Lol. what a professional email... Excellentluck@gmail.com?
Sep 18 14:29:43 <plusminus_> ^^
Sep 18 14:29:46 <muthu> hehe
Sep 18 14:30:09 <Dougie187> you guys couldnt think of anything... less jackass'ish?
Sep 18 14:30:30 <muthu> Dougie187, now i'm working on mobeegal
Sep 18 14:30:37 <muthu> http://mobeegal.in
Sep 18 14:31:35 <Dougie187> hah. i like how you have "Matrimony" listed as some of the "Stuff" that you find closer.
Sep 18 14:32:02 <muthu> yeah!
Sep 18 14:32:08 <muthu> you find anything and everything
Sep 18 14:32:19 <Dougie187> so you are catering to those who want a quick wedding?
Sep 18 14:32:39 <muthu> if you are lucky enough to find
Sep 18 14:34:53 <Dougie187> so you  guys are going to charge for this one i take it?
Sep 18 14:34:54 <unix_infidel> Dougie187: he's indian, totally different paradigm for the word "Wedding"
Sep 18 14:35:19 <Dougie187> i guess, but i wouldn't think it would be towards "quicky" weddings.
Sep 18 14:35:24 <gambler> unix_infidel, please elaborate
Sep 18 14:35:32 <muthu> a wedding is a wedding
Sep 18 14:35:58 <unix_infidel> gambler: you gotta see it to believe it.
Sep 18 14:36:11 <gambler> what are we talking here? dowries?
Sep 18 14:36:19 <unix_infidel> infintely more complex.
Sep 18 14:36:25 <unix_infidel> as are most marriages.
Sep 18 14:36:47 <unix_infidel> </ot>
Sep 18 14:37:20 <unix_infidel> sufficing to say, he does have a market in the matrimony segment.
Sep 18 14:39:37 <muthu> oh yeah, big market
Sep 18 14:39:44 <muthu> matrimony is huge in india
Sep 18 14:40:01 <muthu> most asian countries.. that is
Sep 18 14:41:55 <bravvve> is the drivers of LG mobiles included in android?
Sep 18 15:42:38 <muthu> the buttons lose their selection, if they are put in a grid
Sep 18 15:42:46 <muthu> any idea how to show them in selected state?
Sep 18 15:48:24 <summatusmentis> is this a dev channel only?
Sep 18 15:49:54 <zhobbs> lots of devs in here, but not a dev only channel
Sep 18 15:52:31 <summatusmentis> oh, ok. I'm just an excited potential user :)
Sep 18 15:57:38 <mazzen_> does anyone knows, if htc's dream will only marketed in US when they release it?
Sep 18 15:58:20 <muthu> initially in US
Sep 18 15:59:09 <mazzen_> *grr*
Sep 18 16:01:12 <summatusmentis> there's apparently a device coming for Sprint :D
Sep 18 16:01:33 <summatusmentis> according to BGR
Sep 18 16:03:39 <loke_> mazzen_: for US? so it will be operator locked?
Sep 18 16:04:39 <mazzen_> loke_: i do not know, but i don't think so.
Sep 18 16:04:55 <loke_> mazzen_: good. then I'll be able to buy it in the stores here the next day :-)
Sep 18 16:06:35 <mazzen_> loke_: t-mobil has the only right to sell apple's iphone here in germany and so there are people who think, that t-mobil will wait to sell htc's dream in germany to make no competition to the iphone.
Sep 18 16:06:58 <loke_> mazzen_: but how can they stop them?
Sep 18 16:07:39 <mazzen_> they?them?
Sep 18 16:07:40 <summatusmentis> if t-mobile deciddes whatthey carry
Sep 18 16:07:42 <mazzen_> sry, i don'T get you
Sep 18 16:08:08 <mazzen_> the iphones are operator locked
Sep 18 16:08:21 <loke_> somehow I have a feeling I'll be able to pick it up off the shelf here in Singapore within a few days after release
Sep 18 16:22:02 <tethridge> that htc touch hd is really sweet
Sep 18 16:22:17 <tethridge> I just watched the french youtube video
Sep 18 16:22:43 <tethridge> http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/18/htcs-touch-hd-makes-its-video-debut/
Sep 18 16:22:57 <tethridge> it makes me wonder if android will require more buttons along the bottom of the screen
Sep 18 16:23:06 <tethridge> I really like the form factor as it is
Sep 18 16:23:11 <tethridge> four buttons are enough for me
Sep 18 16:23:55 <tethridge> I'm thinking that it shouldn't matter because the up/down/left/right/select buttons can be done using the touch screen
Sep 18 16:26:51 <mazzen> i hope it's possible to buy it soon without a contract all over the world
Sep 18 17:34:38 <heat> word
Sep 18 17:38:01 <muthu> world
Sep 18 19:13:04 <donomo> 'Error inserting crash: ...SQLiteException...: attempt to write a readonly database'
Sep 18 19:13:17 <donomo> any idea what file its writing to so i can check its permissions?
Sep 18 19:18:50 <zhobbs> anyone know how to make an activity full screen, ie, no status bar
Sep 18 19:19:32 <_avatar> zhobbs: you can define a new style and set <item name="android:windowNoTitle">true</item>
Sep 18 19:19:46 <_avatar> oh, no status bar. sorry. dunno
Sep 18 19:20:02 <qvark> requestWindowFeature(Window.FEATURE_NO_TITLE);
Sep 18 19:20:13 <zhobbs> yeah, I've killed the title, just wondering about the status bar
Sep 18 19:20:20 <qvark> ah, ok
Sep 18 19:20:44 <qvark> oops... I don't  thinks that's even possible...
Sep 18 19:22:13 <plusminus_> getWindow().setFlags(WindowManager.LayoutParams.FLAG_FULLSCREEN, WindowManager.LayoutParams.FLAG_FULLSCREEN);
Sep 18 19:22:32 <zhobbs> great, thanks
Sep 18 19:22:51 <qvark> wow, great :)
Sep 18 19:23:06 <plusminus_> thats "No StatusBar"
Sep 18 19:23:19 <plusminus_> "NoTitlebar" is:
Sep 18 19:23:23 <plusminus_> requestWindowFeature(Window.FEATURE_NO_TITLE);                requestWindowFeature(Window.FEATURE_PROGRESS);
Sep 18 19:23:40 <plusminus_> may have changed slightly in 0.9
Sep 18 19:23:52 <zhobbs> great, worked like a charm (no status bar)
Sep 18 19:34:56 <plusminus_> fine :)
Sep 18 20:18:16 <unix_infidel> is the android editor commonly used?
Sep 18 20:18:23 <unix_infidel> if so for what tasks?
Sep 18 20:53:21 * donomo wonders what the android editor is
Sep 18 20:54:01 <Terdhex> does anybody know how to make DrivingDirections work on 0.9?
Sep 18 21:09:33 <f00f-> no
Sep 18 21:09:38 <f00f-> it's not supported :)
Sep 18 21:09:51 <f00f-> in fact, it probably shouldn't even exist there anymore
Sep 18 21:11:47 <morrildl> It should not
Sep 18 21:11:50 <morrildl> It will be going away
Sep 18 21:20:53 <unix_infidel> *sad face*
Sep 18 21:51:03 <umdk1d3> hmm can you have duplicate columns in the SimpleCursorAdapter  from String[]?  /me tries
Sep 18 22:13:02 <umdk1d3> yep it works  :)
Sep 19 02:59:22 <plusminus_> I'm so dying, feeding all ~250 worlds countries to a ENUM xD
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