**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 20 02:59:57 2008
Sep 20 05:36:19 <umdk1d3> so i have a touch now
Sep 20 05:36:30 <umdk1d3> this is insane they want me to pay $10 just to get apps on it lol
Sep 20 05:37:15 <Adamant> they didn't give you a version with 2.0 on it?
Sep 20 05:37:46 <Adamant> take it back to Walmart, they should have given you an updated one
Sep 20 05:38:19 <Adamant> the version 2.0 iTouch should have iPhoneOS 2.0 loaded by default
Sep 20 05:40:03 <umdk1d3> hmm
Sep 20 05:40:08 <umdk1d3> maybe it wanted an update to 2.1 or something
Sep 20 05:40:19 <umdk1d3> how do i check what version it has on the device?
Sep 20 05:40:21 <umdk1d3> prolly in settings
Sep 20 05:40:24 <Adamant> the 2.1 update should be free if you already have 2.0
Sep 20 05:40:28 <Adamant> yes, that should do it
Sep 20 05:40:58 <umdk1d3> ouch says it came with 1.1.5
Sep 20 05:41:01 <umdk1d3> i dont care
Sep 20 05:41:03 <ahaberla1h> How retro!
Sep 20 05:41:12 <umdk1d3> im prolly going to return it in a week or pawn it off on ebay  P
Sep 20 05:41:13 <umdk1d3> :P
Sep 20 05:41:35 <umdk1d3> i typically dont like apple stuff
Sep 20 05:41:45 <umdk1d3> but gotta hack this remote stuff  ;)
Sep 20 05:42:05 <umdk1d3> oh crap i prolly agreed to some eula that said i wouldnt do it
Sep 20 05:42:08 <umdk1d3> lulz
Sep 20 06:09:34 <muthu_> yooy
Sep 20 06:27:54 <muthu_> http://too.blogspot.com/
Sep 20 08:05:25 <umdk1d3> YAY!
Sep 20 08:05:30 <umdk1d3> ive got it working
Sep 20 08:05:37 * umdk1d3 tries further
Sep 20 08:07:07 <umdk1d3> w000000000t!
Sep 20 08:07:12 <umdk1d3> ive got itunes pairing working  ^.^.
Sep 20 08:07:23 <mickrobk> nice
Sep 20 08:07:29 <umdk1d3> its totally possible to have android hook up to itunes and be a remote
Sep 20 08:07:30 <umdk1d3> =D
Sep 20 08:07:42 <umdk1d3> im doing it all using netcat right now
Sep 20 08:07:46 <umdk1d3> but it works  =D
Sep 20 08:07:54 <mickrobk> very cool
Sep 20 08:08:05 * umdk1d3 dances around room
Sep 20 08:11:06 * umdk1d3 goes to find celebratory food
Sep 20 08:45:52 <summatusmentis> umdk1d3: congratus
Sep 20 08:52:19 <Adamant> umdk1d3: congrats
Sep 20 09:27:00 <f00f-> wow dude
Sep 20 09:27:04 <f00f-> umdk1d3
Sep 20 09:27:15 <f00f-> i go out and get a few beers, and you utterly chown itunes
Sep 20 09:27:15 <f00f-> way to go
Sep 20 09:27:57 <f00f-> and you got a touch!
Sep 20 09:28:00 <f00f-> 24/7 ftw!
Sep 20 09:28:03 <umdk1d3> lol
Sep 20 09:28:09 <f00f-> walmart?
Sep 20 09:28:16 <umdk1d3> nah target before they closed
Sep 20 09:28:33 <f00f-> ah nice
Sep 20 09:28:45 <umdk1d3> but the pairing thing is where it prompts for the 4-digit code
Sep 20 09:29:12 <umdk1d3> it ends up that itunes doesnt care what the touch sends back as its pairing code
Sep 20 09:29:17 <umdk1d3> just as long as it matches in the future
Sep 20 09:29:29 <umdk1d3> and it talks mdns both ways
Sep 20 09:29:51 <umdk1d3> still took forever to dissect it tho
Sep 20 09:30:22 <f00f-> interesting
Sep 20 09:30:30 <f00f-> but at least it's using dns as the protocol
Sep 20 09:30:31 <umdk1d3> and the rest is pretyt much cake because once pairing is done it talks daap
Sep 20 09:30:37 <umdk1d3> its using dns a little bit
Sep 20 09:30:57 <umdk1d3> touch --paircode--> tunes
Sep 20 09:31:10 <umdk1d3> touch --paircode+port(dns)--> tunes
Sep 20 09:31:32 <umdk1d3> touch <--pairhash(http)-- tunes
Sep 20 09:31:45 <umdk1d3> where pairhash is some combination of the paircode and the 4 digit code entered by user
Sep 20 09:32:11 <f00f-> ah
Sep 20 09:32:15 <umdk1d3> touch verifis it somehow, and will return a finalized pairing code that itunes then records internally
Sep 20 09:32:29 <umdk1d3> so anything authenticating with that finalized pairing code automatically gets in
Sep 20 09:32:51 <umdk1d3> so the "touch" (aka android) can return any finalized code that it wants
Sep 20 09:33:01 <umdk1d3> just ask long as it talks enough mdns to make itunes find it
Sep 20 09:33:26 <f00f-> sounds like a lapse in security on their part
Sep 20 09:33:27 <umdk1d3> we would need to reverse engineer the md5 if we wanted to have the touch control, say, amarok
Sep 20 09:33:51 <f00f-> who generates the md5?
Sep 20 09:33:55 <f00f-> well, no matter
Sep 20 09:33:59 <f00f-> at some point it is compared regardless
Sep 20 09:34:05 <f00f-> attach a debugger to the touch, or to the itunes
Sep 20 09:34:06 <f00f-> :)
Sep 20 09:34:17 <umdk1d3> itunes mixes the dns-provided-prepaircode and the 4 digits entered by user
Sep 20 09:34:54 <umdk1d3> problem is that we cant forward udp ports from the emulator
Sep 20 09:35:22 <umdk1d3> but a real device might work
Sep 20 09:35:39 <f00f-> i believe TCP/UDP will be unrestricted by a device
Sep 20 09:35:40 <umdk1d3> or we could have a python script talk the syncing stuff to fake itunes into pairing
Sep 20 09:35:50 <gambler> http://eprint.iacr.org/2006/105.pdf there u go
Sep 20 09:36:00 <umdk1d3> that way the android device wouldnt need to talk mdns at all
Sep 20 09:36:40 <umdk1d3> ooh
Sep 20 09:37:03 <umdk1d3> the md5 shouldnt be too hard to break
Sep 20 09:37:08 <umdk1d3> beucase its happening on the itunes side
Sep 20 09:37:13 <umdk1d3> unless they prevent debuggers
Sep 20 09:37:18 <umdk1d3> which i think they might
Sep 20 09:37:24 <umdk1d3> to protect drm audio most likely
Sep 20 09:37:33 <umdk1d3> but it ends up protecting this stuff too
Sep 20 09:37:51 <Adamant> they definitely prevent debuggers
Sep 20 09:38:06 <umdk1d3> :/
Sep 20 09:38:07 <Adamant> I can't say any more than that
Sep 20 09:38:54 <Adamant> I can say that since it's pretty much public knowledge.
Sep 20 09:39:52 <gambler> what you work for pear?
Sep 20 09:40:13 <Adamant> in the past
Sep 20 09:40:26 <f00f-> not for orange?
Sep 20 09:41:08 <Adamant> signed a NDA so can't say anything much about tech details.
Sep 20 09:41:16 <gambler> apple as a company has always vaguely annoyed me...Im not sure why.
Sep 20 09:41:23 <gambler> their business strategy at the moment is quite good though
Sep 20 09:41:25 <Adamant> gambler: it's just a company.
Sep 20 09:41:39 <gambler> I didnt say it was rational...
Sep 20 09:41:42 <Adamant> ah
Sep 20 09:41:55 <Adamant> I have friends who have hated Apple for a long time
Sep 20 09:42:29 <Adamant> one of them pretty much refuses to use any PC that he can't in theory assemble off of parts from the shelf
Sep 20 09:43:02 <Adamant> after a bad experience with trying to fix an early Macintosh himself
Sep 20 09:43:10 <umdk1d3> lol
Sep 20 09:43:37 <umdk1d3> well the one thing driving me nuts right now is their ads
Sep 20 09:43:45 <umdk1d3> they mark "pc"s as only being windows  >:/
Sep 20 09:43:50 <umdk1d3> when linux is amazing
Sep 20 09:44:08 <Adamant> yeah, it took Torx-head screwdrivers and a special spreader to open the old Macs
Sep 20 09:44:19 <Adamant> back when nobody had Torx-head screwdrivers
Sep 20 09:44:45 <Adamant> Linux is alright. they're all good for different niches.
Sep 20 09:45:30 <Adamant> the major OS's, and the BSD's/Solaris family
Sep 20 09:46:17 <Adamant> umdk1d3: yeah, and PC World mag spends half their time praising Apple products
Sep 20 09:46:55 <Adamant> but the distinction is pretty much made in the eyes of the public, PC's aren't Personal Computers but IBM-compatibles running WIndows
Sep 20 19:47:56 <patrick91> hi
Sep 20 19:48:23 <patrick91> I've this error when I ran an app: HelloAndroid] Could not find HelloAndroid.apk!
Sep 20 19:48:35 <patrick91> I use eclipse under debian sid
Sep 20 19:49:35 <patrick91> how can I resolve?
Sep 20 21:38:02 <donomo> ~.
Sep 20 21:38:03 <infobot> .
Sep 20 22:02:29 <donomo> anyone got an example on an HTTP put?
Sep 20 22:23:17 <donomo> er, POST
Sep 20 22:26:31 <donomo> basically, whats the class that implements the HttpClient interface?
Sep 20 22:27:04 <f00f->   private DefaultHttpClient httpClient;
Sep 20 22:27:08 <f00f->     httpClient = new DefaultHttpClient();
Sep 20 22:27:22 <f00f->     HttpGet httpget;
Sep 20 22:27:25 <f00f->       httpget = new HttpGet(httpBase + uri);
Sep 20 22:27:30 <f00f->       response = httpClient.execute(httpget);
Sep 20 22:27:31 <f00f-> etc.
Sep 20 22:27:43 <donomo> thanks!
Sep 20 22:39:28 <taaz> how do you remove shortcuts and apps from your background screen?
Sep 20 22:40:08 <donomo> taaz: start dragging it. you'll see the trashcan at the bottom of the screen
Sep 20 22:41:07 <taaz> ahh.  i see.  i was foolishly trying to drag it left and right which just slides the screen
Sep 20 22:47:40 * umdk1d3 is drowning in packet dumps
Sep 20 22:47:49 <umdk1d3> it turns out that only half of the protocol is documented
Sep 20 22:47:56 <umdk1d3> daap works great for the library management
Sep 20 22:48:05 <umdk1d3> but dacp is the control protocol and is brand new
Sep 20 22:48:22 <umdk1d3> ive got most of it decoded, but im sick of looking at hex dumps now lol
Sep 20 22:54:57 <taaz> no one has reverse engineered that yet?
Sep 20 22:56:01 <umdk1d3> ive googled alot of the stuff im seeing
Sep 20 22:56:14 <umdk1d3> i found one google project where someone was creating a remote-able server
Sep 20 22:56:37 <umdk1d3> but he only had some very initial work done, and that about a week ago
Sep 20 22:56:55 <umdk1d3> http://code.google.com/p/stereo/source/browse/DAAPLib/trunk/src/dacp/DACPTreeBuilder.java?spec=svn291&r=291
Sep 20 23:17:50 <umdk1d3> yay!  ive got the keepalive stuff figured out too  =D
Sep 20 23:18:02 * umdk1d3 goes to find food
Sep 20 23:55:35 <dondani> how do I retrieve a drawable? I'm trying to call this method:
Sep 20 23:55:37 <dondani> progressDialog.setIndeterminateDrawable(Drawable d)
Sep 20 23:55:56 <dondani> R.drawable.progress_icon is an int...
Sep 21 00:03:52 <dondani> is there anybody in there?
Sep 21 00:03:57 <dondani> just nod if you can hear me
Sep 21 00:04:03 <dondani> is there anyone home?
Sep 21 01:09:20 <f00f-> dondani
Sep 21 01:09:27 <dondani> yup
Sep 21 01:09:29 <f00f-> getResources().getDrawable(...)
Sep 21 01:09:30 <f00f-> or something
Sep 21 01:09:53 <f00f-> BitmapFactory.bleh
Sep 21 01:09:56 <f00f-> or i could just dig in my code
Sep 21 01:10:19 <dondani> nice
Sep 21 01:10:22 <dondani> thank you
Sep 21 01:11:00 <f00f-> BitmapFactory.decodeResource(mContext.getResources(), R.drawable.walk),
Sep 21 01:11:08 <f00f-> well depends
Sep 21 01:11:13 <f00f-> you can pass a drawable
Sep 21 01:12:05 <f00f-> getResources().getDrawable(R.drawable.bleh)
Sep 21 01:14:47 <dondani> getResources().getDrawable(R.drawable.bleh) worked just fine
Sep 21 01:14:49 <dondani> many thanks
Sep 21 01:31:29 <cliff_> if i want to observe all changes to say, contacts
Sep 21 01:31:39 <cliff_> and i get an onChange() event, how do i see what has changed/
Sep 21 01:42:10 <cliff_> looks like it's impossible
Sep 21 02:12:55 <donomo> im looking at a 'tabHost' example and there is an xml file that looks seperate from androidmanifest.xml.
Sep 21 02:13:13 <donomo> the example does not give it a filename. where should a file like that go?
Sep 21 02:13:23 <donomo> example: http://www.anddev.org/how_to_create_tab_in_android-t1102.html
Sep 21 02:16:43 <gambler> res dir
Sep 21 02:17:17 <donomo> oh res/layout/, thx
Sep 21 02:37:41 <umdk1d3> yay!  ^.^
Sep 21 02:39:45 <gambler> more itunes goodness?
Sep 21 02:45:33 <jasonlee> i'm glad i'm not the only one hacking code tonight
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