**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 18 02:59:57 2008 Oct 18 03:02:33 plusminus_: alive? Oct 18 03:02:38 have you played with OSM dat? Oct 18 03:02:42 *data Oct 18 03:02:44 in its raw format Oct 18 03:02:57 i'm investigating the effort required to implement a geocoder based on the data Oct 18 03:03:11 so far, i can't really find street addresses (numbers) in the data Oct 18 03:04:41 i think i saw it in the schema somewhere, and maybe in some tiger-sourced data files Oct 18 03:05:01 would have been in their XML dumps Oct 18 03:05:07 theres a nice site that split them by state Oct 18 03:05:19 i have the dump open in vi Oct 18 03:07:47 f00f-: that's your problem. Try emacs 8) Oct 18 03:08:42 :P Oct 18 03:23:27 i found some house numbers in the TIGER edges data Oct 18 03:24:54 or maybe not Oct 18 03:40:34 Hello everyone, I am the moderator at ##G1, specifically for the new T-Mobile G1, Right now we are recruiting an additional mods, so come on in to ##G1 and let me know about yourself if you are interested thanks Oct 18 05:00:09 I didin't know g1 is 3g phone Oct 18 05:05:04 now you do? :) Oct 18 05:05:08 hahaha Oct 18 05:05:09 oh man Oct 18 05:05:24 woot.com .. look at the comment under the image of the blender Oct 18 05:05:28 hahah Oct 18 05:08:43 legos Oct 18 05:13:07 DarkriftX Oct 18 05:13:14 sup Oct 18 05:13:32 check out the comment on the image at woot.com man Oct 18 05:13:34 lol Oct 18 05:14:22 LOL Oct 18 05:23:46 is anyone in here using Eclipse to create Android apps? Oct 18 05:23:56 heh Oct 18 05:24:38 is that a yes or no :P Oct 18 05:25:55 can anyone help with this Plug-in com.android.ide.eclipse.adt was unable to load class com.android.ide.eclipse.adt.preferences.AndroidPreferencePage. Oct 18 05:26:46 what version of eclipse Oct 18 05:28:19 let me chec Oct 18 05:28:55 3.2 Oct 18 05:31:50 yep Oct 18 05:31:51 that's too old Oct 18 05:32:22 you need AT LEAST 3.3 Oct 18 05:32:35 just grab 3.4 Oct 18 05:33:35 ah Oct 18 05:33:39 ok cool thanks Oct 18 05:34:35 f00f-, what one should I downlaod off the site to build Android Apps? Oct 18 05:34:50 I just sudo apt-get installed eclipse for the previuos versiob Oct 18 05:34:52 version Oct 18 05:35:23 just eclipse classic? Oct 18 05:37:01 http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/ Oct 18 05:37:02 hehe Oct 18 05:52:21 moo Oct 18 05:54:09 * After_Math clucks Oct 18 05:56:39 * JoeBrain barks Oct 18 05:56:50 * JoeBrain thinks that a seal bark is louder than a dog bark Oct 18 06:00:55 languish, ive been getting some users submitting apps on my forum, i think its from your idea Oct 18 06:01:34 pjv submitted one i had missed (androids fortune) and someone just submitted a tip calculator Oct 18 06:06:18 DarkriftX, awesome. Oct 18 06:06:25 tip calculator was always an odd idea to me Oct 18 06:06:42 the big dorks would just do it manually & everyone else wouldn't want to look like a dork Oct 18 06:07:24 newb question, i compile hello android, no errors, but nothing happens. last console message is "launching new emulator" Oct 18 06:07:48 i think my server might have problems sending registration confirmations to yahoo emails, i have 3 ppl that registered and never confirmed and all 3 are yahoo.com emails... Oct 18 06:10:13 DarkriftX, set up a 24 hour resend through another mta Oct 18 06:10:44 or just use another mta period Oct 18 06:11:14 check some rbl's also, to see if your server's been blacklisted Oct 18 06:11:45 coder1: does the emulator come up? Oct 18 06:12:32 gdsx: no, when i run it, it just says that it's launching the emulator, but nothing else happens. Oct 18 06:12:33 T-mobile's G1 support site is up now Oct 18 06:13:02 coder1: can you run the emulator by itself? Oct 18 06:13:14 holy crap, a t-mobile *forum* for g Oct 18 06:13:15 1 Oct 18 06:13:37 gdsx: when i execute emulator by itself, it pops up the shell and closes real quick Oct 18 06:14:31 coder1: err... shell? Oct 18 06:14:37 coder1: I guess, first things first. What OS? Oct 18 06:15:01 gdsx: my mac is getting a new logic board this week =/ .. on vista now Oct 18 06:15:16 so when i say i'm launching the emulator, i mean i'm clicking emulator.exe Oct 18 06:15:30 ok Oct 18 06:15:54 err... hmm... one sec Oct 18 06:17:01 coder1: does Vista have cmd.exe or an equivalent? Oct 18 06:17:21 yeah i was just looking at that... it's saying i need to specify a valid -kernel file Oct 18 06:17:33 when i execute it from the command line Oct 18 06:18:31 hmm... sec Oct 18 06:20:36 coder1: I'm sort of guessing at this point. do you have android.jar in the SDK's root directory? Oct 18 06:20:49 android.jar doesn't matter to run the emulator Oct 18 06:20:57 * gdsx defers to romainguy Oct 18 06:21:15 gdsx: yeah, i'm actually re-extracting the sdk now to rule out any corruption Oct 18 06:21:50 i think it's fixed, it will stay open now.. going to run the code again Oct 18 06:21:58 the emulator files are in tools/lib/images Oct 18 06:22:13 oh, hey :o) Oct 18 06:23:33 awesome , thanks for the time, it's working. something must have just been corrupt. Oct 18 06:23:52 the sanity check was finding out that emulator.exe should stay running even by itself. i appreciate it. Oct 18 06:24:15 np Oct 18 06:59:51 hehe, do files get "corrupt" anymore? i mean, are there really broke network stacks, ethernet cards/drivers, and/or routers these days? :) Oct 18 06:59:57 broken* Oct 18 07:03:31 well, actually, other than the TCP window scaling bug found in some routers out there. *shakes fist* Oct 18 07:11:55 Fo' Realz Oct 18 07:17:09 jasta: yo Oct 18 08:08:31 anyone here who has a g1? Oct 18 08:09:24 i just read that you cannot install apps on it cept from the marketplace because there is no file browser on a factory install. anyone know a way around this? Oct 18 08:10:38 wtf :o can't be Oct 18 08:11:33 ?? Oct 18 08:11:41 it has nothing to do with having a file browser or not Oct 18 08:11:58 you can install app via USB or via any web site Oct 18 08:13:18 ok Oct 18 08:13:35 im reading about it, and it says windows users are having problems with missing drivers for usb Oct 18 08:14:14 because the USB driver is not in the SDK yet Oct 18 08:15:28 do you have a g1? Oct 18 08:15:47 yes Oct 18 08:15:51 (I work on Android btw) Oct 18 08:16:21 im wondering if the link to download the apk has to be a direct link, or if it can be a dynamic type link Oct 18 08:16:28 dont know what they are called Oct 18 08:16:31 er/ Oct 18 08:16:33 ?? Oct 18 08:16:37 that makes no difference Oct 18 08:16:46 index.php?download=filename.apk for example Oct 18 08:16:46 ok Oct 18 08:16:48 good Oct 18 08:17:01 ill fix all the downloads on my site to get rid of .zip and tar.gz files Oct 18 08:17:06 so users can install them directly Oct 18 08:17:12 ty for the help :) Oct 18 08:17:36 the server must have the right mime type for .apk Oct 18 08:18:28 ahhh Oct 18 08:18:36 i can do that in htaccess, do yo know what mime type is required? Oct 18 08:18:43 I don't remember Oct 18 08:18:50 there were discussions about this on the mailing list though Oct 18 08:18:56 you can look in the archives Oct 18 08:19:31 nice, thx again Oct 18 08:21:30 application/vnd.android.package-archive look right? Oct 18 08:21:56 yes Oct 18 08:30:33 totally "duh" question at this point, but is there a windows (SMB) network browser either preinstalled or as an app available in the app store already? Oct 18 08:31:11 (on the G1) Oct 18 08:34:06 i think i added the correct mime type, now im unzipping all of my archives and adding the .apk's as downloads. hopefully when im done someone will let me know in my forums if it works Oct 18 08:34:38 languish: I do not believe so. Oct 18 08:37:00 ttuttle holy carp what a kick in the pants Oct 18 08:37:03 :| Oct 18 08:38:26 so no streaming video/mp3's over the local network without running a streaming server Oct 18 08:38:32 could someone with a g1 test this download? just want to see if my mime type is correct: http://android-dls.com/android-downloads/apps/74-Android_File_Browser_2.0.apk.html Oct 18 09:10:58 dark: Cannot download. The content being downloaded is ont supported on the phone. Oct 18 09:12:47 swetland: did you enable untrusted sources? Oct 18 09:12:53 always! Oct 18 09:12:55 :) Oct 18 09:13:18 it's "unknown sources" these days Oct 18 09:13:23 :) Oct 18 09:13:29 untrusted, I think, is more accurate, but hey Oct 18 09:13:48 not necessarily :) Oct 18 09:13:55 the mimetype seems right Oct 18 09:14:13 application/octet-stream should work Oct 18 09:14:22 maybe the .html suffix is annoying the download manager Oct 18 09:14:32 application/vnd.android.package-archive look right? is what i used Oct 18 09:14:43 let me make a direct link for you to try Oct 18 09:14:50 also my .htaccess might not have kicked in Oct 18 09:15:17 wget claims application/octet-stream Oct 18 09:15:37 did you try in a browser? Oct 18 09:15:40 I know text/plain for .apk files ends up working (even though it's not "right") Oct 18 09:15:56 clicked on the link from gtalk and it launched the browser/downloader Oct 18 09:16:03 oh Oct 18 09:16:45 in our infinite wisdom we don't allow copy from IM chatlogs (yet) so I can't easily get it into the browser directly Oct 18 09:16:55 and it's a somewhat long url to type out ^^ Oct 18 09:17:33 http://android-dls.com/Android_File_Browser_2.0.apk Oct 18 09:17:40 and ill put a direct link on the front page in 1 minute Oct 18 09:17:50 languish: So, the Right Way (TM) to stream media is to offer HTTP. Oct 18 09:18:41 swetland, http://android-dls.com/ in the first entry is a direct link to test in browser Oct 18 09:18:54 if they still dont work, ill try different mime type Oct 18 09:19:38 i guess the file could also be corrupted Oct 18 09:20:08 swetland: hey. how's it going? Oct 18 09:24:27 hm. downloads now (no error) but doesn't seem to want to install. strange Oct 18 09:24:36 damn Oct 18 09:26:12 swetland, do you have a file you know does install that you can send to DarkriftX to put up, for you to donwload and install from him? Oct 18 09:26:14 (lol) Oct 18 09:26:20 lol Oct 18 09:26:54 just threw this up on my personal server (which serves 'em as text/plain but that works) and it doesn't want to install Oct 18 09:26:59 might be something to do with this specific apk Oct 18 09:27:02 ok Oct 18 09:28:00 W/PackageParser( 3263): /sdcard/download/Android_File_Browser_2-2.0.apk (at Binary XML file line #5): does not specify android:name Oct 18 09:28:03 W/PackageInstaller( 3263): Parse error when parsing manifest. Discontinuing installation Oct 18 09:28:25 * swetland files a bug about the lack of error dialog or user visible indicator Oct 18 09:29:27 lol Oct 18 09:30:04 think your mimetype is fine but the apk is not Oct 18 09:31:13 android-dls.com is pretty device-unfriendly on gprs/edge, btw Oct 18 09:37:15 hrmmmm Oct 18 09:43:14 i added a few more .apk files to the front page if anyone wants to test them with a g1 for me Oct 18 09:43:30 pjv, you have a g1? Oct 18 09:46:12 no Oct 18 09:46:28 the saftey & regulations section of the G1 "getting started" guide is hysterical Oct 18 09:46:43 * pjv will have to wait till Q1 2009 or beyond Oct 18 09:46:51 heh, me too Oct 18 09:46:56 explosive atmospheres and non-ionizing radiation Oct 18 09:47:25 my favorite bit remains the box copy informing us that the t-mobile logo and the magenta color are trademarks of deutsch telecom Oct 18 09:47:26 so there is no way to test the apk download/install in the emulator? Oct 18 09:47:29 W/PackageParser( 3416): /sdcard/download/zaTelnet_Light.apk (at Binary XML file line #5): does not specify android:name Oct 18 09:47:32 W/PackageInstaller( 3416): Parse error when parsing manifest. Discontinuing installation Oct 18 09:47:40 you can test installing with adb install foo.apk Oct 18 09:47:46 I reckon an increasing number of people in this room has one by now (18th is getting close to 22nd)? Oct 18 09:48:15 the 1.0r1 emulator build doesn't have the settings panel so you can't enabled unknown sources, so web download doesn't work there (known bug) Oct 18 09:48:36 yeah, just didnt know if htere was a work around lol Oct 18 09:54:03 ok, seems like i have a lot of work tomorrow Oct 18 09:54:07 but i need sleep Oct 18 09:54:11 thx for the help guys Oct 18 09:58:11 http://code.google.com/p/twisty/ is an example of something serving a working apk with a correct mimetype Oct 18 12:34:03 if i want to do a basic scrolling spreadsheet-style list (rows and columns), should I be dealing with tableview or listview? I like listview because I don't need to instantiate the whole mess immediately (afaict) but i'm not sure how best to accomplish the effectively-fixed-width layout inside it. Oct 18 12:34:26 (fixed from row to row, not device-to-device or orientation to orientation.. i'm not doing a Bad Thing, honest :) ..) Oct 18 13:24:05 hmm. can sqlite's query() do joins? Oct 18 13:24:35 rawQuery() probably can; not sure about query() Oct 18 13:24:47 eg "select a.box_name, b.contents from a boxes, b packinglist where b.box_id = a.id" Oct 18 13:25:11 cool Oct 18 13:25:25 i think it has limited joins. Oct 18 13:30:30 i'll find out :) Oct 18 13:51:43 ok stupid eclipse question. my app crashed, but i'm in the debugger. how do i get a stack trace that has my app somewhere in it? Oct 18 13:55:26 Disconnect: sometimes the exception stack trace gets dumped to logcat Oct 18 13:55:46 youve found DDMS in eclipse? Oct 18 13:58:06 i found the standard run->debug.. Oct 18 13:59:58 so in eclipse there are different views, and the DDMS view gives a LOT of helpful debugging information Oct 18 14:00:11 versus the Java view that youre in right now Oct 18 14:00:22 Disconnect: Click Window->Open Perspective Oct 18 14:00:24 then Other Oct 18 14:00:31 perspectives, there we go :) Oct 18 14:00:36 :) Oct 18 14:00:46 the one you are looking after is DDMS (obviously) Oct 18 14:00:59 cool Oct 18 14:01:20 ooh thats pretty Oct 18 14:01:50 yeah, very, as you can change emulator stuff, instead of using the commandline Oct 18 14:02:01 then you can doubleclick the logcat tab to maximize it, and peek through there for exception stuff Oct 18 14:02:13 you can also send stuff there from your app by doing Log.d() or Log.e() etc Oct 18 14:02:16 Oh, there's a screen capture, never seen it before :) Oct 18 14:04:24 found my bug, too. for whatever reason it dislikes the date i'm passing. sigh. Oct 18 14:05:07 I had the same problem with apricots Oct 18 14:05:11 prolly not enough fibre Oct 18 14:09:06 I know integer math is adviced, but how about the Matrix class, it only uses floats, should we avoid using this class? Oct 18 14:09:11 It's for 2D gfx Oct 18 14:21:43 arm platform in general sucks a -lot- at floating point math.. Oct 18 14:22:12 (well, sucks as in can't-do-it and the sw fp sucks, although not as much as it used to. 10.5*.9 no longer drags it to a screaming halt :) ..) Oct 18 14:22:48 the price you pay for low power consumption ;) Oct 18 14:25:10 Yeah I know that, but as I probably need the Matrix class to draw rotated and skewed bitmaps, should I also use it for translation Oct 18 14:25:11 ? Oct 18 14:31:37 morning Oct 18 14:32:44 Hey San Oct 18 14:32:58 hey cedric Oct 18 14:33:00 whats up man? Oct 18 14:33:16 My dog woke me up at 6a, great way to start a weekend :) Oct 18 14:33:30 lol. Oct 18 15:42:19 SanMehat: Morning! Oct 18 15:42:31 hey man Oct 18 15:42:43 hey i'll brb, gonna get coffee Oct 18 15:42:46 SanMehat: kk Oct 18 16:03:08 can anyone guide me to where I can get good beginners tutorials on Android please? Oct 18 16:03:58 After_Math, programming, or just how to use tha G1? Oct 18 16:04:50 languish, programming in Android. I am all set up with Eclipse and the ADT plugin which works nicely, I just need to learn how to program in Android now :) Oct 18 16:05:59 http://code.google.com/android and there's an intro guide in pdf, looking for it now Oct 18 16:06:29 languish, cool thanks Oct 18 16:11:31 After_Math http://www.anddev.org/announcing_andbook_-_learning_android_from_scratch-t1473.html Oct 18 16:12:04 also http://www.anddev.org/viewforum.php?f=8 this whole forum Oct 18 16:12:05 awsome! thanks languish ! Oct 18 16:12:10 np Oct 18 16:12:21 :) Oct 18 16:19:33 anyone see an obvious issue with this basic attempt at parsing XML from a URL? http://pastebin.com/m7543ead6 Oct 18 16:19:53 I am getting a SAXParseException error saing InputSource needs either stream or reader Oct 18 16:21:55 ahhhh.... time to figure out my apk file/mime issues Oct 18 16:23:35 VickiWong: off the cuff, looks like its not fetching the URL Oct 18 16:24:47 when I used DocumentBuilder, I elected to fetch the data myself and feed it in through an InputSource wrapped around a StringReader Oct 18 16:25:06 there may be more efficient approaches, though -- this was just a book example Oct 18 16:25:44 anyone here have a g1 and a few minutes they could spare me? Oct 18 16:25:52 fetch the data at runitime right? not storing it to file? Oct 18 16:26:31 commonsguy: im using book exmples too :) the android specific examples i can find seem overly complex or dont work with the latest SDK :( Oct 18 16:26:43 you picked the wrong book... ;-) Oct 18 16:26:54 apparantly so :D Oct 18 16:27:18 someone needs to write a "Droids for Dummies" book Oct 18 16:27:43 eh, I had to pick a different title -- "for Dummies" has nasty trademark protection Oct 18 16:27:53 but it does sound good lol Oct 18 16:28:09 do "Dummies for Droids" Oct 18 16:28:26 there does seem to be little non-official documentation, especially when it comes to tut's or sample code, but hey it's early days Oct 18 16:29:01 it's partly due to the looooooooong time we had M5 and partly that what's out there is scattered around Oct 18 16:30:10 I've toyed with putting together some site to catalog it all, but haven't had time Oct 18 16:33:42 four? Oct 18 16:33:44 five? Oct 18 16:34:44 ? Oct 18 16:35:51 check the topic Oct 18 16:36:52 ahh Oct 18 16:36:57 4 days to go? Oct 18 16:37:31 ha Oct 18 16:38:34 63 Oct 18 16:42:14 36 Oct 18 16:42:48 damn, i wish i had a g1 right now Oct 18 16:53:00 commonsguy: did you say you got the info about fetching the xml data and using it with inputsource on the net? Oct 18 16:53:15 not exactly Oct 18 16:53:29 it's from an example in my book Oct 18 16:53:38 not sure where I figured it out originally Oct 18 16:53:57 http://commonsware.com/Android/ -- choose Version 1.3 tab, click on Source Code to download a ZIP Oct 18 16:54:17 the Internet/Weather project in there uses DocumentBuilder Oct 18 16:54:23 oh wow you have written an andorid book? Oct 18 16:54:27 android* Oct 18 16:54:31 yup Oct 18 16:54:40 dont suppose you do shipping to hong kong? :D Oct 18 16:55:52 ebooks are available Oct 18 16:57:19 cool Oct 18 16:57:47 lol, the for dummies convo starts to make sense now Oct 18 16:58:04 DarkriftX: just what i was thinking :D Oct 18 16:58:31 wow.... "Droids for n00bies" Oct 18 16:58:32 lol Oct 18 16:58:41 start a for n00bies series Oct 18 16:59:03 untapped resource right there Oct 18 16:59:45 sorry, was just wrapping up a call Oct 18 17:00:16 yeah, i'm that Mark Murphy guy you see hanging out on the Android Google Groups Oct 18 17:00:31 wrote the Busy Coder's Guide to Android Development Oct 18 17:00:50 had totally forgotten about this IRC channel until yesterday Oct 18 17:00:55 :-( Oct 18 17:00:56 and kindly offered everyone here free copies... Oct 18 17:01:02 urk Oct 18 17:01:12 hey commonsguy Oct 18 17:01:19 commonsguy's gotta eat! Oct 18 17:01:23 lol Oct 18 17:01:33 howdy muthu_ Oct 18 17:01:40 nice job mark Oct 18 17:01:48 appreciate your postings in the forums Oct 18 17:01:56 happy to help Oct 18 17:02:08 wonderful, thx Oct 18 17:04:53 Once I have deployed the emulator for android to run a app, do I have to close it and rerun it everytime with a new different app? Oct 18 17:05:09 no Oct 18 17:05:16 just keep it running Oct 18 17:05:18 sweet thx Oct 18 17:12:29 commonsguy: well i've implemented what i think I needed from your code, ended up with a 'unknown socket error -1' http://pastebin.com/m6499916d Oct 18 17:28:48 yay! /me jumps around room Oct 18 17:28:59 hey umdk1d3 Oct 18 17:29:06 whats up? Oct 18 17:29:07 i just got a huge ugly magic query string tamed, after like 6 hours of fighting with it =D Oct 18 17:29:13 heh Oct 18 17:29:29 nice :) Oct 18 17:29:34 magic is the /only/ way to describe it ^.^ Oct 18 17:29:43 * umdk1d3 hugs google Oct 18 17:30:06 someone there was thinking /way/ ahead Oct 18 17:30:35 google is super Oct 18 17:30:46 muthu_: you find that article yet? Oct 18 17:32:34 commonsguy: well i've implemented what i think I needed from your code, ended up with a 'unknown socket error -1' http://pastebin.com/m6499916d Oct 18 17:33:19 sounds like permissions -- do you have the INTERNET permission in your AndroidManifest.xml file? Oct 18 17:34:53 commonsguy: nearly didnt find it then was like 'wth' but yeah it's there Oct 18 17:34:55

Oct 18 17:35:17 could you pastebin your AndroidManifest? Oct 18 17:35:23 sure thiing Oct 18 17:35:56 yawn Oct 18 17:37:32 http://pastebin.com/m497b6a2d Oct 18 17:37:37 jasta: have coffee :) Oct 18 17:38:38 t - 1h and coding :) Oct 18 17:39:00 VickiWong: well, that looks fine...not sure what's going on...got a proxy server or anything that interferes with network access? Oct 18 17:39:49 you wouldn't get socket error -1. check adb logcat. Oct 18 17:40:22 socket error -1 is when android arbitrarily blocks you before it gets to the BSD socket layer Oct 18 17:40:52 i dont see why they dont make a PermissionException that extends SocketException, but hey :) Oct 18 17:41:00 jasta: that was the error in logcat : / Oct 18 17:41:10 VickiWong: i mean search higher up when your package is being deployed. Oct 18 17:41:17 ahh gotcha Oct 18 17:41:46 it's possible your manifest didnt get updated into the APK (especially if you use the clunky eclipse plugin) Oct 18 17:42:05 I swear Eclipse hates me Oct 18 17:42:15 restarting Eclipse solved the issue, seems to be working fine Oct 18 17:42:26 thats the 3rd random problem restarting eclipse solved Oct 18 17:42:45 did you edit AndroidManifest.xml outside of Eclipse? That is what I do, and when I update it I need to hit F5 on the project folder to refresh it Oct 18 17:43:10 also, before you try restarting Eclipse, I'd typically run Project -> Clean. Oct 18 17:43:15 or just rm -rf bin from a shell. Oct 18 17:43:59 jasta: I didnt restart eclipse to try and solve the issue :D but ill make sure to try these things everytime i get an unusual issue lol Oct 18 17:44:15 commonsguy: thanks for the help :) your example code seems to be what i needed :) Oct 18 17:44:26 enjoy! Oct 18 18:10:46 anyone know what androids browser reports itself as? does it show up as chrome? Oct 18 18:11:07 just run nc -l -p 5000 and point it at :5000 Oct 18 18:12:38 ive seen the following user agent in the past: Oct 18 18:12:39 "Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 1.0; en-us; dream) AppleWebKit/525.10+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0.4 Mobile Safari/523.12.2" Oct 18 18:13:05 hrmmmm Oct 18 18:13:34 hehe, the network error page is funny looking Oct 18 18:13:45 i wonder if its showing as chrome or safari in my analytics Oct 18 18:13:56 google analytics? Oct 18 18:13:56 why would that show as chrome? Oct 18 18:13:59 woopra Oct 18 18:14:08 chrome isn't mentioned anywhere on it, so how silly would that be Oct 18 18:14:16 because i thought it was based on chrome Oct 18 18:14:21 LOL no Oct 18 18:14:21 well you thought wrong Oct 18 18:14:45 idk how that rumor got started Oct 18 18:14:57 well, both are webkit based Oct 18 18:14:59 ive seen it all over the place tho: "android now has chrome" or something Oct 18 18:15:08 right, they both have the same base code Oct 18 18:15:28 so if you had to put it in one category or the other, chrome or safari? Oct 18 18:15:30 Android's browser has been described as "Chrome Lite" by Google execs Oct 18 18:15:37 that might be the source Oct 18 18:15:45 sigh lol @ execs Oct 18 18:15:57 yeah, execs don't know what the hell they are saying Oct 18 18:16:10 Android and Chrome went off in two different directions from the same basis of WebKit Oct 18 18:16:15 they share only that similarity Oct 18 18:16:30 so, in that way, Android's browser is no more Chrome than Safari or Webkit is. Oct 18 18:16:40 im not talking about usability Oct 18 18:16:43 after the fact some devs thought "huh, that might have been better to share code." :) Oct 18 18:16:46 im talking from a websites point of view Oct 18 18:16:53 android might have borrowed from chrome tho Oct 18 18:17:01 we first saw "gears" integration in 0.9 Oct 18 18:17:20 umdk1d3: yeah, but i think it's a lot of copy/paste hackjobs. it would be totally stupid to call it Chrome at this point i think Oct 18 18:17:23 they might have had gears support working first in chrome, and brought it over Oct 18 18:17:31 DarkriftX: you mean from a web standards point of view? then they are all webkit. Oct 18 18:17:37 umdk1d3: not really Oct 18 18:17:44 oh i agree, but they could have brought over the people who knew where to hook stuff into webkit Oct 18 18:18:13 it's mobile WebKit with Java frontend for Linux vs desktop WebKit for Windows Oct 18 18:18:30 my analytics has: ff2, ff3, ie6, ie7, chrome, safari, opera, ie8 and konq..... g1 users ARE being counted, and they are being placed into ONE of those groups. im trying to figure out which, i dont care about the technicalities Oct 18 18:18:54 DarkriftX: why don't you just ask whomever runs your analytics instead of guessing randomly? Oct 18 18:19:09 perhaps they are putting it into Chrome wrongly, and then you should slap them for it and ask that they create a WebKit group Oct 18 18:19:11 it started out as a very general question Oct 18 18:19:47 i was just wanting a quick opinion or educated guess Oct 18 18:20:05 i guess i know how to check Oct 18 18:20:10 compare numbers vs apple visitors Oct 18 18:20:18 DarkriftX: you can use the emulator to open a webpage that prints out the user agent Oct 18 18:20:29 romainguy: we've already done that. Oct 18 18:20:30 ahhhh, see, there we go Oct 18 18:20:35 great idea Oct 18 18:20:39 my analytics are real time :) Oct 18 18:20:42 DarkriftX: that's exactly what i told you to do Oct 18 18:20:55