**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 22 02:59:57 2008 Oct 22 03:06:00 wastrel: well, developer git skills I guess would be a better way to say it Oct 22 03:06:45 tethridge: ? Oct 22 03:07:06 watching my friend unbox his on skype.. I'm such a dork Oct 22 03:07:18 he wants to know-- let battery charge before starting up the first time? Oct 22 03:08:04 waldo_: no-one can ever wait that long Oct 22 03:08:10 Hah Oct 22 03:08:13 that's what I said Oct 22 03:08:36 ooh Oct 22 03:09:01 I'm reading "Interested in working on a speech-recognition library?" on the front page but it's the only page refering to "speech recognition", does anyone know if there is speech recognition code inside android? Oct 22 03:09:12 manual's not too helpful... it doesn't say... excep tthat it's not "fully charged" when youg et it... Oct 22 03:09:40 * unix_infidel is surprised one of the first apps in the store wasnt an onscreen keyboard. Oct 22 03:09:47 erm...marketplace. Oct 22 03:10:14 umdk1d3: yo Oct 22 03:10:32 unix_infidel: I don't see how you can write an onscreen keyboard as an app without framework support Oct 22 03:12:58 havent looked enough at the framework to see if there's a global cache of system generated events to trigger off of. Oct 22 03:13:21 but, given the above, i'm guessing there's no such thing :-P Oct 22 03:13:31 we're working on soft keyboard Oct 22 03:13:40 speech recognition? Oct 22 03:13:44 yawn Oct 22 03:14:20 jasonchen: sorry, i was out on lunch break - I was basically asking if its OK to create a 'Friend Finder' using the Maps API and have it help you get to your friends location. Oct 22 03:14:58 without it being in breach of the ToS Oct 22 03:15:52 romainguy: i never doubted that. honestly, if it hadnt been done by now, there was probably a good reason for it. Oct 22 03:17:38 Socceroos I think they changed hte TOS Oct 22 03:17:39 today Oct 22 03:18:29 20:44 <@jasonchen> for those of you using Maps with your app, be advised: Oct 22 03:18:29 http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/10/new-android-maps-api-terms-of-service.html Oct 22 03:18:34 indeed they did. Oct 22 03:18:37 there ya go Oct 22 03:20:34 just when you think that you'll be able to do something without google knowing where you are Oct 22 03:20:39 your dreams are shattered Oct 22 03:23:53 * rwhitby manages to do an upload: http://review.source.android.com/1205 Oct 22 03:30:10 Is this an appropriate place for stupid user questions? Oct 22 03:30:27 Or is this meant for developer-only chat. Oct 22 03:30:45 anything android related Oct 22 03:30:59 anything remotely connected to a google product or service Oct 22 03:31:02 :-) Oct 22 03:31:16 In the Android browser, how does one do a click + drag Oct 22 03:31:45 it keeps panning the page -- I want it to operate the underlying javascript (traffic map drag in this case) Oct 22 03:34:45 i would guess that it is impossible unless the page supports the ontouch events Oct 22 03:35:27 wow, you just got to love Eric Schmidt Oct 22 03:35:58 Obama backer babay! http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081021/pl_politico/14803 Oct 22 03:36:33 ivan: ontouch? as compared to onmousedown? Oct 22 03:37:05 Socceroos: i believe the ToS specifically prohibit providing turn-by-turn navigation Oct 22 03:39:15 chrismurf: dunno Oct 22 03:39:18 yeah, but then it allows a 'friend finder'..... does that mean i'm allowed to 'find' my friend with rudimentary navigation? Oct 22 03:39:24 i'm hoping the implementation will be mobilesafari compatible Oct 22 03:39:37 jasonchen: ^ Oct 22 03:40:27 Socceroos: by "friend finder" we mean apps that show you locations of other people imposed over a MapView Oct 22 03:40:42 which i believe the old ToS did not actually allow Oct 22 03:41:00 jasonchen: ah, ok. Oct 22 03:41:02 * jasonchen looks for the relevant bits of the ToS Oct 22 03:42:31 did the market launch when i was sleeping :) Oct 22 03:42:43 Market is up for users to download apps Oct 22 03:42:47 it has been since about Monday Oct 22 03:42:53 how about developers? Oct 22 03:42:57 not yet Oct 22 03:43:08 jasonchen: any timeline? Oct 22 03:43:27 more details on that coming in the morning Oct 22 03:43:34 great Oct 22 03:43:38 (PDT, of course) Oct 22 03:43:44 oh yeah Oct 22 03:43:47 jasonchen: /me is excited. Oct 22 03:44:07 let /me then go build my app Oct 22 03:44:19 not tested yet on G1 Oct 22 03:44:23 Has anybody found the desktop source yet? Oct 22 03:44:27 muthu_: do you have one? Oct 22 03:44:34 ttuttle: can you test it now? Oct 22 03:44:37 muthu_: I can test for you. Oct 22 03:44:47 ok mail me.. muthu.ramadoss at gmail Oct 22 03:44:51 i'll send you the apk Oct 22 03:44:51 muthu_: I'm on the phone right now but I can do it in a little while. Oct 22 03:44:57 great, thx Oct 22 03:45:06 * rwhitby notes that his patch at http://review.source.android.com/1205 was reviewed within 5 minutes of being contributed - that's a good sign. Oct 22 03:45:21 morrildl: hey - congrats on the release. Oct 22 03:45:39 rwhitby: thanks Oct 22 03:45:57 * morrildl went up to 3rd & Market for the brick-and-mortar event :) Oct 22 03:45:59 looks like it works better than my IRC bot for filling the channel .. Oct 22 03:46:38 morrildl: so I worked out how to fix your build system ;-) http://review.source.android.com/1205 Oct 22 03:46:45 Meh, Colloquoy doesn't show channel member count Oct 22 03:46:50 how many do we have on here? Oct 22 03:46:53 195 Oct 22 03:47:03 morrildl: how was it? Oct 22 03:47:04 wow, nice Oct 22 03:47:09 gdsx: pretty sweet Oct 22 03:47:12 morrildl: /names Oct 22 03:48:14 morrildl: any idea how many devices it looked like they ended up selling? Oct 22 03:48:20 yay patches Oct 22 03:48:37 swetland: how many patches so far since the release? Oct 22 03:48:52 gdsx: I couldn't say, I left when they had sold through maybe 5 or 6 Oct 22 03:48:54 I dunno! Oct 22 03:48:57 rwhitby: I only hope the review time won't increase after the first excitement is over. Oct 22 03:49:05 I asked the gerrit guys to give us a "see all recent patches" view Oct 22 03:49:14 morrildl: cool Oct 22 03:49:23 xl0: the intent is that this *is* the repository for active development going forward Oct 22 03:49:26 swetland: it doesn't seem to show applied ones Oct 22 03:49:31 gdsx: It's not terribly exciting to watch them sell and activate devices, so I left after the good stuff :) Oct 22 03:49:33 yeah, that was my complaint Oct 22 03:49:48 morrildl: haha, yeah Oct 22 03:49:49 the repo/gerrit folks got a lot of feedback today and will be tuning and improving stuff this week Oct 22 03:49:58 right now I believe they've all headed home to pass out Oct 22 03:50:00 "oh man... I can't wait until they get to the paperwork!" Oct 22 03:50:31 swetland: Well, I've seen "community oriented" projects where patches may stall for months. Oct 22 03:51:15 I think it'll vary by sub-project and team, but the hope is to be reasonably responsive Oct 22 03:51:38 if we can't be responsive, people will just fork Oct 22 03:51:39 or sulk Oct 22 03:51:41 or maybe both Oct 22 03:51:51 swetland: sulking is more exciting Oct 22 03:51:54 morrildl: my photos are uploading Oct 22 03:52:13 and if everything goes well, over time the projects will include reviewers/committers from beyond the initial core team, etc, etc Oct 22 03:52:23 swetland: By the way, is there a way to pull the not-yet-merged stuff? Oct 22 03:53:06 to contribute to i.e. the German-Translastion is there a need to checkout the whole source, or is there a specific package? (That would be fine for non-coders) Launchpad got a really nice way of doing so. Oct 22 03:53:39 romainguy: awesome Oct 22 03:54:25 xl0: there is but I don't know what it is Oct 22 03:54:32 plusminus_: Come on, that's just a few gigabytes... Oct 22 03:54:37 there will be a repo command and also a git:// url Oct 22 03:55:14 but yeah the idea is that anyone who wants to try a submitted patch can pull it down via repo or git to check it out Oct 22 03:55:32 like this:_ https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+translations Oct 22 03:55:50 I don't think we're ready for submissions for translations yet Oct 22 03:56:05 xl0: It can certainly be done (I did it this afternoon to verify the patches that have been submitted) but I can't recall the git magic without my script in front of me Oct 22 03:57:39 morrildl: http://flickr.com/photos/romainguy/sets/72157608260694689/ Oct 22 03:58:58 romainguy: I epsecially like http://flickr.com/photos/romainguy/2962793751/in/set-72157608260694689/ Oct 22 03:59:15 too bad that one box is upside down Oct 22 03:59:58 crazy line. Oct 22 03:59:58 do you need the phone to download form the market? Oct 22 04:00:00 hamdroid: You can always photoshop it. Oct 22 04:00:11 hopefully not the case tomorrow in Dallas. Oct 22 04:01:51 heh, depending on your perspective ;-) Oct 22 04:02:31 hahahahaha Oct 22 04:02:39 romainguy: you and I took a few very similar photos Oct 22 04:02:44 Btw, in case Google turns all eevil tomorrow, how hard is it fork the whole project? Oct 22 04:02:54 morrildl: I wonder why :)) Oct 22 04:02:57 romainguy: good to know that my instincts are not totally worthless ;) Oct 22 04:03:14 xl0: what's up with you guys always thinking we're gonna turn evil? Oct 22 04:03:36 romainguy: it's the laser... Oct 22 04:03:38 romainguy, google is for the people :P Oct 22 04:03:44 always the sharks w/ the lasers Oct 22 04:03:53 jasonchen: frickin' laser beams Oct 22 04:04:03 romainguy: As they say, people trust only in case they don't have to trust. Oct 22 04:04:37 If repo had a "fork everything" command, probably less people would fear that. Oct 22 04:04:51 Oct 22 04:05:05 you have all the code under Apache 2, I don't know what else you need to stop fearing :) Oct 22 04:05:17 s/less/fewer/ Oct 22 04:05:17 xl0 meant: If repo had a "fork everything" command, probably fewer people would fear that. Oct 22 04:05:36 google is evil don't you read slashdot? Oct 22 04:05:41 gees Oct 22 04:06:00 romainguy: I wouldn't worry too much about the nay-sayers. You guys have put out one of the best most open products in mobile market in a long time. Oct 22 04:06:21 isn't 'repo sync' the same as 'repo fork' ? Oct 22 04:06:30 infobot: Yes, I think I need more sleep. My ingrish is not getting any better this late in the morning. Oct 22 04:06:31 You think I need more sleep. My ingrish is not getting any better this late in the morning.? Oct 22 04:06:48 I guess we should have a repo gimme-the-source-in-case-teh-google-becomes-teh-Evil :)) Oct 22 04:07:15 uh, isn't that exactly what git does? Oct 22 04:07:17 * hamdroid notes that the source is hosted from kernel.org, not google.com Oct 22 04:07:23 ok, i am getting an inconsistency error Oct 22 04:07:27 Err, that's a bot! ;) Oct 22 04:07:30 why is it git Oct 22 04:07:35 also note that the copyright in the source file is not Google's :p Oct 22 04:07:39 i thought google was svn <3 Oct 22 04:07:51 Field android.hardware.SensorManager.LIGHT_NO_MOON has changed value from 0.0010f to 0.001f Oct 22 04:07:53 svn is soo yesterday Oct 22 04:07:53 duey: svn would be... interesting on a project as big as Android :)) Oct 22 04:07:58 git pull is failing: fatal: Unable to look up android.kernel.org (port 9418) (Name or service not known) Oct 22 04:08:01 any help Oct 22 04:08:12 rwhitby: lol. Oct 22 04:08:16 i have fixed the java source for the extra decimal place, but no fix Oct 22 04:08:17 romainguy, right, I haven't used git so I don't know the advantages/disadvantages Oct 22 04:08:45 duey: if you look closely, the Android source code is actually split over many different git trees Oct 22 04:08:49 git is like a precision kitchen knife. Oct 22 04:08:49 it's not just one big tree Oct 22 04:08:52 repo just hides that Oct 22 04:08:55 ah ok Oct 22 04:09:09 but swetland knows a lot more about git than I do :) Oct 22 04:09:30 And you say Google is not evil? Look at what is has done, this evil machine is going the enslave the humanity!!1 Oct 22 04:09:37 i'd hate to be the person who does the build scripts Oct 22 04:09:40 How the hell did it work anyway?! Oct 22 04:10:00 i'd totally be a google slave Oct 22 04:11:03 so close to finishing my honours report yay Oct 22 04:11:09 holiday! Oct 22 04:11:16 trying to get the webkit tarball. git pull is failing. any help? Oct 22 04:11:19 handing it in and going to australia for a month Oct 22 04:12:41 mowglee: git update in .repo/manifests Oct 22 04:19:38 rwhitby: i am trying git pull in .repo/manifests Oct 22 04:20:06 it is faling to resolve android.kernel.org Oct 22 04:20:08 mogli: have you ever used the git:// protocol from where you are before? Oct 22 04:20:20 mogli: can you ping android.kernel.org? Oct 22 04:20:44 nope Oct 22 04:21:22 mogli: solve that first then Oct 22 04:21:46 if you don't know how, then you need to talk to your network administrator Oct 22 04:21:52 * plusminus_ is already the arrival of G1 tomorrow :) Oct 22 04:23:00 plusminus_: you are the G1! Oct 22 04:24:09 oops i missed a 'celebrates' in that Oct 22 04:30:24 halo Oct 22 04:31:39 hi SanMehat Oct 22 04:33:35 hi man Oct 22 04:33:38 how are you doing? Oct 22 04:35:24 I'm doing well enough, I should be doing homework Oct 22 04:35:59 Ello :) Oct 22 04:37:13 went to pick up my phone from the ups will-call because i missed the delivery Oct 22 04:37:23 stack of identical boxes from tmobile there :) Oct 22 04:39:51 LOL Oct 22 04:39:56 I am waiting for them to ship mine. Oct 22 04:40:13 monteslu: What's the procedure for setup like? Oct 22 04:40:25 quick and painless or anoying. Oct 22 04:40:32 * tweakt is going to stake out the TMO store later this morning. Oct 22 04:40:37 heh Oct 22 04:40:40 I should have done that. Oct 22 04:40:53 rwhitby: thanks. i has a dns issue and it was faling to resolve android.kernel.org Oct 22 04:41:07 xorl, just put in the battery and your sim card and turn it on :) Oct 22 04:41:24 added a couple of open dns ip address and then it started working fine Oct 22 04:41:37 oh, and put in your google account info Oct 22 04:42:20 monteslu: oh, online, when you got the phone, did it show you your plan upgraded (I am a previous T-Mob customer) funny thing is my contract expired on the 18th lol Oct 22 04:42:31 And the droid came out and I was like "Ugh, ok i'll get it" Oct 22 04:42:39 lucky u ;-) Oct 22 04:42:53 besides the point, monteslu did you have tmob before? Oct 22 04:43:58 xorl, yeah my contract expired like 2 years ago, i've been going month to month Oct 22 04:44:13 been a tmobile customer for about 3 or 4 years Oct 22 04:44:17 same. Oct 22 04:44:23 Repo does not pull manifests automatically, does it? Oct 22 04:44:27 How much is the unlimited web+unlimited messages for you? Oct 22 04:44:43 25 or 35 for unlimted text Oct 22 04:44:48 so.. how much fun is eveyrone having with the source tonight? Oct 22 04:44:50 35? Oct 22 04:44:51 xorl: $25 for unlimited both Oct 22 04:44:51 but I'll never use more than 400 text Oct 22 04:45:00 romainguy: that's what I thought Oct 22 04:45:08 why is it showing 34.99 on my account... Oct 22 04:45:08 xorl: but I'm not using the G1 plan Oct 22 04:45:08 hmm Oct 22 04:45:16 because the G1 plan is $35 Oct 22 04:45:21 $34.99 T-Mobile G1 Unlimited Web + Unlimited Messages Oct 22 04:45:23 you can upgrade the data plan later, right? Oct 22 04:45:26 it's because I pay $10 for unlimited messages on 2 lines Oct 22 04:45:31 and I use an old $20 data plan Oct 22 04:45:35 Ah! Oct 22 04:45:41 That works. Oct 22 04:46:23 I'm not digging this headphones though, the shoulda included a regular jack Oct 22 04:46:28 my only complaint Oct 22 04:46:53 ok Oct 22 04:46:56 So, this is awesome. Oct 22 04:47:11 While I had t_mob i had the dreaded iPwn Oct 22 04:47:37 jailbroken? Oct 22 04:47:46 plan cost me 104/mo for the same service I am getting now from t-mobile WITH a family plan (two lines 1000 text on one, unlimited on the other + unlimited data (g1)) Oct 22 04:47:51 monteslu: Always. Oct 22 04:48:12 nice Oct 22 04:48:20 http://www.tuaw.com/2007/10/11/ipod-touch-iphone-ramdisks-decrypted/ Oct 22 04:48:23 look for 'xorl' Oct 22 04:48:23 :) Oct 22 04:48:32 I just wasn't jailbreaking them ;) Oct 22 04:48:52 DarkriftX: my build is still chugging along Oct 22 04:49:42 haXX0r Oct 22 04:49:47 :) Oct 22 04:49:55 I like to hack hardware. Oct 22 04:49:58 It's interesting. Oct 22 04:50:12 But so say we all, that's why I work at qualcomm.... Oct 22 04:50:19 heh Oct 22 04:50:41 I want a phone with one of those 1ghz processors Oct 22 04:50:55 gambler: I could show you some wait, no i can't. haha. Oct 22 04:50:56 In a couple of years Oct 22 04:51:12 nice Oct 22 04:51:12 cbeust_: Don't think so far off. Oct 22 04:51:23 Does anyone else see random connection resets by peer from random k.org repositories when doing a clean repo sync? Oct 22 04:51:26 iPhones almost 700 Mhz already. Oct 22 04:51:29 I thought qualcomm already was fabbing the chip Oct 22 04:51:44 gambler: They are. Oct 22 04:51:48 And many other things. Oct 22 04:51:54 Well, we are fabless. Oct 22 04:52:06 We are the LARGEST fabless chip manufacturer in the world. Oct 22 04:52:12 lol Oct 22 04:52:34 But that's all public information. Oct 22 04:52:47 amd is going fabless soon i heard Oct 22 04:52:47 here's the hacking I've done : http://importance.corante.com/archives/004876.html Oct 22 04:52:49 Check out the qualcomm snapdragon Oct 22 04:52:53 look for ominifuser :) Oct 22 04:53:01 pretty weak Oct 22 04:53:19 I like coding, never been much good at decrypting Oct 22 04:53:29 It wasn't so much decrypted. Oct 22 04:53:42 Just a huge ass gaping exploit that apple still can't patch, never will either. Oct 22 04:53:50 <3 hardware. Oct 22 04:53:51 hah Oct 22 04:54:42 xorl: what do you do at Qualcomm? Oct 22 04:55:18 Work in QCT (qualcomm CDMA Technologies) as a Linux Engineer/Software Engineer. Oct 22 04:55:19 It's like http://zaytsev.su/repo-sync-fail.txt Oct 22 04:55:56 xorl: nice Oct 22 04:56:18 I also develop the internal qbuntu android platforms. heh. Oct 22 04:56:21 is there anyway to use the phone WITHOUT a SIM card....i only have one card and I need to copy pictures, music off my old phone Oct 22 04:56:48 Custom in house auto provisioned qualcomm oriented ubuntu distribution, it's nice. Oct 22 04:56:53 hey Oct 22 04:56:57 so, i have things compiled. Oct 22 04:57:02 how do i run something? :) Oct 22 04:57:13 Hmm. Probably there is need for an #android-dev... Oct 22 04:57:24 xl0: I would suppose. Oct 22 04:59:25 xl0: clean compiled seemed to work on openjdk, except for that bug already reported Oct 22 05:00:04 mattl: Cool. We need an adnroid wiki I think... Oct 22 05:00:09 heh Oct 22 05:00:14 anddev.org is perfect. Oct 22 05:00:33 yeah. Oct 22 05:00:42 they have a book and everything Oct 22 05:00:49 Looks pretty scary... Oct 22 05:01:00 anyone? can i use the g1 without a sim card...just to access bluetooth...so i can copy from my old phone Oct 22 05:01:01 http://sys-adm.org/img/anddev_mini2.png I made a small little link back image for em Oct 22 05:01:01 i can setup a wiki if you guys think it will get used Oct 22 05:01:27 i have a bunch of .img files now. is the emulator in here? Oct 22 05:01:33 WildCaterpillar: is there anyway to use the phone WITHOUT a SIM card.. << you need to go through the setup wizard the first time, but after that you don't need the SIM card Oct 22 05:01:35 need me to buy a domain? Oct 22 05:01:38 I'll grab one. Oct 22 05:01:44 i have a site alread setup Oct 22 05:01:51 just need to install the wiki Oct 22 05:01:51 DarkriftX: Everyone can, but I'm afraid we need some "official" onw... Oct 22 05:01:55 wiki.android.com now? Oct 22 05:01:58 *one Oct 22 05:02:17 will G1's be available at T-Mobile resellers? Oct 22 05:02:30 unix_infidel: tommorow they should be Oct 22 05:02:36 probably not many Oct 22 05:02:44 xorl: for resellers? Oct 22 05:02:45 xorl: so anywhere from the wal-mart to the mall reseller? Oct 22 05:03:04 oh n/m not sure. Oct 22 05:03:11 unix_infidel: it is already :) Oct 22 05:03:23 That probably won't be for a while, outside of their own stuff for a few weeks. Oct 22 05:03:25 unix_infidel: http://www.flickr.com/photos/romainguy/sets/72157608260694689/ Oct 22 05:03:26 romainguy: really? i swear i tried to use it without the sim after registering Oct 22 05:03:39 romainguy: I'm referring to Texas. Oct 22 05:03:46 unix_infidel: :)) Oct 22 05:03:52 ;-P Oct 22 05:04:09 WildCaterpillar: what doesn't work without the SIM? Oct 22 05:04:15 I often use my G1 without a SIM Oct 22 05:04:17 works fine Oct 22 05:04:48 brb Oct 22 05:04:59 I wonder if some stores will open early tomorrow... Oct 22 05:05:48 xl0: can you give me a heads up on running this thing? ./emulator, etc ? Oct 22 05:06:16 ok thanks Oct 22 05:06:25 man the tmobile plans are expensive... and you *have* to get a data plan (grr)... i am in wifi ALL day (99.999999% of days) Oct 22 05:06:56 mattl: Haven't dote that yet myself. I've built it on a remote server. Fetching to a local laptop now. Oct 22 05:07:06 aha. Oct 22 05:09:27 Hmm. On a remote laptop actually. ;) Oct 22 05:09:57 But it will get local when I get home. ;) Oct 22 05:10:05 my AT&T unlimited 3G is $15/month (well, plus the voice plan) Oct 22 05:10:07 swajak: compared to the iPhone / AT&T plans they are pretty much on par with current market rates. Oct 22 05:10:56 then again, I wouldnt compare this device / platform to the iPhone, quite yet. Oct 22 05:11:01 p1mrx: and + the SMS Oct 22 05:11:07 and you HAVE to lock into the plan for 2 years, i see... Oct 22 05:11:15 or sell your soul Oct 22 05:11:21 200 SMS is $5, I think, but I don't use those. Oct 22 05:13:24 haha Oct 22 05:13:30 I got the perfect domain, android-help.me Oct 22 05:13:37 p1mrx: i'm seeing the "PDA Personal" plan from att @ 30 a month on top of 39 voice. Oct 22 05:14:03 hte cheapest voice + unlimited 3G I see at AT&T is $69 Oct 22 05:14:10 you have to add SMS on top of that Oct 22 05:14:12 yep Oct 22 05:14:16 that's WITHOUT text messages Oct 22 05:14:29 I pay $55 for everything unlimited with T-Mobile Oct 22 05:14:40 so, I'd say compared to other windows mobile devices and plans it's comparable. compared to the iPhone it's cheaper. Oct 22 05:14:47 I pay just over $50 a month to AT&T for 450 minutes + unlimited data. Oct 22 05:15:15 p1mrx: you must be getting some sort of discount, whether % off or grandfathered.... Oct 22 05:15:38 ttuttle: sending you the apk Oct 22 05:15:44 * jasonchen wished that everyone would just move to using mobile IM instead of SMS Oct 22 05:16:09 anyone have 2 mins with a G1 who can run mobeegal? Oct 22 05:16:18 my wife & I were using gmail to "IM" since it uses data Oct 22 05:16:37 jasonchen: SMS is quicker for most. even on 3G mobile IM takes some time negotiating, authenticating, etc. Oct 22 05:16:47 but later in the day we went from almost instant replies, to 20 minutes waits for email updates Oct 22 05:16:52 -s Oct 22 05:16:53 (I agree wholeheartedly with you though) Oct 22 05:17:54 unix_infidel: true. answer is that the networks have to get faster. :-) Oct 22 05:18:02 heh. Oct 22 05:18:11 Well the issue is, if you work with 3G you'd know why it sucks. Oct 22 05:18:32 And why some users get service better than others, and it has NOTHING to do with how close you are to the antenna station. Oct 22 05:19:00 xorl: of course not. it has to do w/ both backhaul and air interface bandwidth Oct 22 05:19:02 Although yes, antenna distance does effect it past a certain range, but other than that their are other issues. Oct 22 05:19:29 jasonchen: There are a few other things in there as well, working for qualcomm i've learned of other issues, damn 3G issues. Oct 22 05:20:53 xorl: when you say 3G, do you mean UMTS or does this apply to EV-DO too? Oct 22 05:21:06 Not so much an EV-DO issue but yes UMTS Oct 22 05:21:24 UMTS has a few drawbacks, e.g. iPhone/Other Cellular phone/devices. Oct 22 05:21:43 You could theoretically take down an entire 3G network with one cellphone. Oct 22 05:21:55 UMTS that is. Oct 22 05:21:58 jasonchen: well if you end up coming to AndroidDevCamp in Dallas you can talk with the guy involved in creating the UMTS standard ;-P Oct 22 05:22:16 xorl: of course someone at qualcomm thinks there's less problems in EV-DO than UMTS :-P Oct 22 05:22:24 jasonchen: hahaha. Oct 22 05:22:29 I didn't develop it :P Oct 22 05:22:36 unix_infidel: oh? there's just one guy who did UMTS? Oct 22 05:22:38 But I can pretty much say that I agree with your statement. Oct 22 05:22:48 jasonchen: involved, not responsible for. Oct 22 05:22:51 I would like to say "One Guy" Oct 22 05:22:54 jasonchen: I heard it was Al Gore Oct 22 05:22:59 There were a ton of corporations. Oct 22 05:23:09 umdk1d3: you there? Oct 22 05:23:18 unix_infidel: interesting. who does he work for? Oct 22 05:23:37 xorl: no doubt as is the case w/ any sort of standard. Oct 22 05:23:51 jasonchen: he's retired now, I think he's a consultant now. Oct 22 05:23:52 true to the point. Oct 22 05:24:11 I am going to register, androidshelp.me Oct 22 05:24:22 lol Oct 22 05:24:45 http://androidhelp.me/you-re-my-only-hope Oct 22 05:25:01 * rwhitby reports a successful build of the source release Oct 22 05:25:05 * swetland claps Oct 22 05:25:09 how long did it take? Oct 22 05:25:11 rwhitby: bravo! Oct 22 05:25:24 i have the emulator running now. all compiled with openjdk :) Oct 22 05:25:26 jasonchen: heh Oct 22 05:25:33 jasonchen: Which one do you think I should get? Oct 22 05:25:37 rwhitby: Now if you run repo sync, would it fail? Oct 22 05:25:38 quadcore 2.8GHz linux box (macpro) takes me about 15.5 minutes with make -j8 these days Oct 22 05:25:41 androidshelp.me or androidhelp.me Oct 22 05:25:53 swetland: just under 2 hours, from wget repo to image Oct 22 05:25:56 * jasonchen registers both while xorl dithers :-) Oct 22 05:26:15 haha Oct 22 05:26:18 xorl: i think you should get the singular form Oct 22 05:26:28 androidhelp? Oct 22 05:26:53 myandroid.com Oct 22 05:27:12 * rwhitby still has android-internals.org and android-linux.org - dunno what to do with the latter. Oct 22 05:27:20 xorl: yes. i read it as "android, help me." Oct 22 05:27:42 I need to send a so long and thanks for all the fish mail to linux-msm-kernel Oct 22 05:27:44 rwhitby: point at android.kernel.org Oct 22 05:27:48 mattl, is the included in the source? Oct 22 05:27:59 swajak: browser, few little apps Oct 22 05:28:02 emulator* Oct 22 05:28:08 sry, is the emulator included* Oct 22 05:28:26 mattl: I'd rather just give it to someone who has a good idea of what to use it for. Oct 22 05:28:41 (that doesn't involve popup or banner ads) Oct 22 05:28:49 swajak: yes Oct 22 05:30:40 rwhitby: did you get networking in the emulator? Oct 22 05:31:04 mattl: haven't done anything with the image yet. need to wait until after real work for that. Oct 22 05:31:31 aha Oct 22 05:33:15 jasonchen: got it :D Oct 22 05:37:49 ok...i've got an old motorola v600 and i am trying to copy pictures from it to my g1 Oct 22 05:37:58 the two phones will pair Oct 22 05:38:17 but when i try to "move" a picture, the motrola doesn't list the g1 under "Object Exchange" Oct 22 05:38:32 is there a way to look at files on v600 from g1? Oct 22 05:38:39 are you using bluetooth for this? Oct 22 05:38:44 or what Oct 22 05:38:44 yes Oct 22 05:38:59 didi anybody got Android compiled on linux x64? Oct 22 05:39:07 WildCaterpillar: it won't work Oct 22 05:39:10 WildCaterpillar: G1 doesn't support OBEX over BT Oct 22 05:39:14 right Oct 22 05:39:20 oh damn Oct 22 05:39:28 is that just a software limitation? Oct 22 05:39:33 as i recall, the v600 had a microSD card Oct 22 05:39:44 WildCaterpillar: yes Oct 22 05:39:50 ran out of time prior to 1.0 Oct 22 05:39:55 to get it into good shape and certified Oct 22 05:40:17 ok...i might just wait...not like the phone memory is going anywhere Oct 22 05:40:25 i'll have to see if there is a microsd card in there... Oct 22 05:40:44 oh geez Oct 22 05:40:48 sorry that was my OLD phone Oct 22 05:40:53 this is a Pebl Oct 22 05:40:55 does Android supporta anything over bt? Oct 22 05:41:02 support Oct 22 05:41:06 otherwise, bluetooth it to your laptop and use an SD Card on there? Oct 22 05:41:22 too bad my damn laptop doesn't support bluetooth Oct 22 05:41:35 ...btw, are contacts stored on the phone or in sim card? Oct 22 05:41:37 waldo__: see second half of http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/08/some-information-on-apis-removed-in.html Oct 22 05:41:39 meh. buy the thing for $20 to do that. Oct 22 05:41:47 lookin' thx Oct 22 05:41:47 * tevans has the source built.... tomorrow img! Oct 22 05:41:55 tevans: the img is gooooood. Oct 22 05:42:20 xorl: repo sync and make succeeds on the second time too - 21 seconds to do a null incremental build Oct 22 05:42:59 rwhitby: not bad Oct 22 05:43:11 i see.. so bt headset is supported but not exposed to developers if I understand that riht Oct 22 05:43:14 right Oct 22 05:43:16 man I can't type Oct 22 05:43:28 waldo__: correct Oct 22 05:43:46 usually there is an option to store the contact on the phone versus the sim...is everything stored on the phone now? Oct 22 05:43:50 and no option to store on sim? Oct 22 05:44:42 i believe G1 supports HFP and HSP currently (hands-free and headset profiles) Oct 22 05:44:57 back Oct 22 05:45:09 ttuttle: tried mobeegal? Oct 22 05:45:15 muthu_: Not yet. Oct 22 05:45:19 muthu_: I need to install it. Oct 22 05:45:21 WildCaterpillar: everything is stored on phone and sync'ed w/ the cloud Oct 22 05:45:28 For some reason I couldn't using Gmail, or Gmail in Browser. Oct 22 05:45:31 so if you lose your phone, you don't lose your contacts Oct 22 05:45:36 ttuttle: np Oct 22 05:45:43 have send it to quite a few :) Oct 22 05:45:53 jasonchen: is there a way to sync to non-google? Oct 22 05:46:04 but in principle, it is possible to store contacts on the sim (an unwise decision)...just the software doesn't make that possible Oct 22 05:46:46 mattl: sure--someone would have to write the program. the data store (called a ContentProvider) for Contacts is open for other apps to use Oct 22 05:47:03 mattl: for instance, I think some company has written an Exchange contacts sync app Oct 22 05:47:06 awesome. Oct 22 05:47:12 less-awesome, but heh, okay. Oct 22 05:47:35 muthu_: First, get rid of the spaces in the name. They make the "l" wrap on to the next line, and look foolish. Oct 22 05:47:51 cause you just know someone is going to be 'zomfg, googlez is taking my dataas!' Oct 22 05:48:15 muthu_: Second, your "zoom in" icon is stretched vertically but not horizontally, distorting it. Also, it is being used improperly, as it doesn't zoom. Oct 22 05:48:17 WildCaterpillar: correct. you can import from SIM, but we didn't build storing back to it. Oct 22 05:48:27 mattl: if that's the case, you could just disable Contacts sync. Oct 22 05:48:35 right. Oct 22 05:49:03 and someone will write one that syncs to $SERVICE and to $SCP_URL soon enough. Oct 22 05:49:14 does anyone use a stylus on teh g1? Oct 22 05:49:19 WildCaterpillar: no. Oct 22 05:49:25 my thumb skills are quite refined yet Oct 22 05:49:38 has anyone written anything to manually import an .ics file (say to export from iCal) Oct 22 05:49:39 WildCaterpillar: The capacitive styli are a little awkward Oct 22 05:50:09 or even better would be a sync-to-published-ics via webdav... Oct 22 05:50:28 man, i can't wait to write some apps Oct 22 05:50:28 waldo__: you could import .ics into Google Calendar and then have it sync down to the phone over our push mechanism Oct 22 05:50:50 yeah but I don't use google calendar & I share my published ICS with others... Oct 22 05:50:53 on my server Oct 22 05:51:05 It would be preferable not to go through google calendar... Oct 22 05:51:16 does ical publish directly to google calendar? Oct 22 05:51:38 via webcal? Oct 22 05:51:41 i use a mac, but have never used ical, so i don't know Oct 22 05:51:56 muthu_: You've got some more clumsy UI elements -- tapping the *background* of the main screen, and the sideways scrolling items in the gallery. Oct 22 05:52:04 i think Google Calendar support CalDav, so you can import/export from iCal to Google Calendar pretty easily Oct 22 05:52:07 ah... it has publish/subscribe where it basically throws the .ics onto a web server via webdav. It also supports caldav Oct 22 05:52:12 muthu_: Also, the icon for the gallery button doesn't make sense -- it implies pictures, but you're giving a list of search types. Oct 22 05:52:28 but a lot of people use .mac for example.. it would be nice to have full webdav/webcal support Oct 22 05:52:55 I BET it wouldn't be hard to write a little something that checks a webdav site every so often.. Oct 22 05:53:01 so it could be seamless with ical Oct 22 05:53:10 and also .Mac Oct 22 05:53:34 waldo__: remember, though, polling on a mobile network is *expensive* Oct 22 05:53:48 does the AIM app log conversations? Oct 22 05:53:50 and webdav is a massively chatty protocol Oct 22 05:53:51 :) Oct 22 05:53:52 especially hard on battery life Oct 22 05:54:03 ttuttle: agree, ui needs some work Oct 22 05:54:24 muthu_: It seems to function properly though. Oct 22 05:54:32 yah, XML processing is to be generally avoided on a mobile phone, imo Oct 22 05:54:46 jasonchen expensive you mean in battery/cpu? not money... Oct 22 05:55:14 hi all :) Oct 22 05:55:20 waldo__: so, on the G1, it wouldn't be expensive for data. but on other carriers it could be. Oct 22 05:55:22 anybody else is getting fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly? Oct 22 05:55:35 ttuttle-- I see... I'm being selfish :) Oct 22 05:55:45 waldo__: Yeah. Oct 22 05:55:46 waldo__: yes, power is at a premium on a mobile device Oct 22 05:56:00 waldo__: But data usage uses battery, so you want to minimize it anyway. Oct 22 05:56:04 Terdhex: if that's repo sync, then run run it again and again until it works. Oct 22 05:56:16 Hmm.. well how does google calendar handle calendar updates? I mean, it has to check somehow.. so what's the difference between web/caldev and whaever google uses? Oct 22 05:56:33 waldo__: It's push. Oct 22 05:56:42 waldo__: ideally, you'd push calendar events down to the mobile client so that you don't have to poll Oct 22 05:56:43 waldo__: Try sending yourself an email (if you have a G1). Oct 22 05:56:52 which is what we do Oct 22 05:56:54 Don't have it yet.. mine comes nov 10 blah Oct 22 05:57:05 waldo__: damn. Hopefully they ship early ;-) Oct 22 05:57:09 yeah no kidding Oct 22 05:57:13 I ordered 2 days too late Oct 22 05:58:04 waldo__: we have push infrastructure set up to send down events from the cloud to devices Oct 22 05:58:07 I know everyone wants push for iphone and all, but I don't get how push works exactly. doesn't the phone have to "poll" to see if there are new things being pushed? Oct 22 05:58:15 jasonchen-- ah you just answered that Oct 22 05:58:16 I'm assuming this channel is for android development mainly. I just got my G1 today and altho I'm a software developer, I'm not working on an app. I'm just looking to overstimulate myself in every geeky way with this device/os. Oct 22 05:58:25 wub join the party Oct 22 05:58:29 * wub smiles. Oct 22 05:58:52 jasonchen-- so could something be done serverside to poll as a proxy for the phone and then push to the phone any changes? Oct 22 05:59:18 waldo__: sounds reasonable, if you're proxying for an existing service like you want to do Oct 22 05:59:22 ie, can anyone send "push"ed events to the phone? ie, "tell my phone that X event happened" Oct 22 05:59:45 waldo__: are you asking if our push infrastructure is open for 3rd party use? Oct 22 06:00:14 yeah that sounds like it would save CPU and battery on the phone... would require two parts tho... server soemwhere online and then a phone client... but the phone client can be a lot "dumber" in terms of knowing what webcal is. Oct 22 06:00:18 jasonchen yup Oct 22 06:00:32 that's waht I'm askin' Oct 22 06:00:41 I haven't heard anything about it, honestly... Oct 22 06:00:48 waldo__: unfortunately, no it's not available for 3rd party use. Oct 22 06:01:11 I'm surprised I haven't been able to find a working ssh client, I figured it would be one of the first things geeks would write for android Oct 22 06:01:13 I could see a lot of uses for people who want to offload the CPU or network intensive stuff to a remote machine and just have the phones react to it. Oct 22 06:01:16 waldo__: as you can imagine, it's a big challenge to make something like that available and secure. Oct 22 06:01:19 encontrado there is one. Oct 22 06:01:42 waldo__, if you're talking about connectbot, it doesn't run on the G1 Oct 22 06:01:48 wootoff, nice. Oct 22 06:01:49 jasonchen yeah I could see the challenge. I'm sure there must be some kind of authentication you could use.. maybe ssh keys or something...? Oct 22 06:02:02 encontrado yeah that's what I was referring to... works on the emulator... Oct 22 06:02:10 well, it runs for a little bit, but there's no visible output. then it crashes Oct 22 06:02:24 waldo__: i don't think it's quite that simple, but yeah. Oct 22 06:02:38 maybe I didn't find a current version? Oct 22 06:02:39 jasonchen well I've been thinking about it for a whole 30 seconds ;) Oct 22 06:03:46 jason-- so what does google "push"? emails/ims? so ther ewould be a major power savings by using google software rather than 3rd party apps that work on client/server, which would be pretty much everything. Oct 22 06:03:57 encontrado the source is available... Oct 22 06:04:18 yeah, I'll look at it when I get a couple days free Oct 22 06:04:57 jason-- well I mean everything where it polls for updates (mail checking, calendar updates, etc) Oct 22 06:06:03 is there a problem with the repo servers? when I do repo sync I get fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly on many packages even google ones??? Oct 22 06:07:23 waldo__: i believe we push mail, calendar, contacts, and im events Oct 22 06:07:52 I had heard that IMs somehow were counting as SMS or text messages... is that GTalk only or all of them. Oct 22 06:08:19 interesting tho-- it sounds like you're saying google apps have a competitive advantage in terms of power consumption... Oct 22 06:08:32 am I misunderstanding? Oct 22 06:09:25 I thought Apps were created equal! ;) Oct 22 06:09:31 jsjs Oct 22 06:09:35 haha damn homerow Oct 22 06:09:36 waldo__: they have features that would take more work to replicate than just writing client software, that's for sure. Oct 22 06:09:51 that's interesting.. Oct 22 06:10:17 waldo__: but wouldn't stop you from creating your own push service and infrastructure so that you could do similar things w/ your own apps Oct 22 06:10:41 the push service involves a persistant network connection for incoming events? Oct 22 06:11:18 jasonchen I dont' mean to keep bothering you-- is the push service discussed anywhere online? Oct 22 06:12:03 It seems like someone will come up with a standardized push service for many apps to share.. at least I hoep they will Oct 22 06:12:08 okay gotta go back soon... Oct 22 06:12:14 * waldo__ is away: back in 30 mins Oct 22 06:13:28 * jasonchen looks for blog post that talked about GTalkService.... Oct 22 06:13:50 you mean why it's not in .9? Oct 22 06:14:00 waldo__: look at: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/08/some-information-on-apis-removed-in.html Oct 22 06:14:05 xorl: yes, that post Oct 22 06:14:20 jasonchen: eah i read that all over. Oct 22 06:14:24 It makes perfect sense to me. Oct 22 06:14:31 Coming from a systems admin background. Oct 22 06:22:58 mattl: Did you solve the LIGHT_ON_MOON problem? Oct 22 06:23:02 * waldo__ is away: auto-away Oct 22 06:25:12 some repos on http://android.git.kernel.org/ seem to be incomplete, is that by design? Oct 22 06:25:35 shoragan: What exactly is missing? Oct 22 06:25:53 http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/external/dbus.git;a=blob;f=README;h=ec63a98a9f7d18d6b6edf52cba0c04f7aefaf481;hb=HEAD Oct 22 06:26:07 and you can't clone it either Oct 22 06:26:10 xl0: yeah, just hacked the two files manually Oct 22 06:27:34 shoragan: Looks like a bug indeed. Oct 22 06:29:32 a number of the external repositories are designed to be merged with repositories populated from a tarball of a project Oct 22 06:29:40 repo does this as part of its checkout process Oct 22 06:30:28 but when anyone pushes to such a repo it will get all missing blobs anyway Oct 22 06:33:17 you would expect public git repositories to be standalone and cloneable Oct 22 06:33:52 app idea: record conversations (when legal...ie when "this call may be recorded for quality assurance) Oct 22 06:34:08 WildCaterpillar: Not possible with current SDK. Oct 22 06:34:52 mattl: Did you upload the commit? Oct 22 06:35:06 no, let me do that now Oct 22 06:37:04 xl0: git commit -- is that it? Oct 22 06:38:45 mattl: http://source.android.com/submit-patches Oct 22 06:38:54 got it. Oct 22 06:49:06 xl0: i hosed the files. how do i get them back? Oct 22 06:50:06 mattl: What do you eman by "hosed" and "get back"? Oct 22 06:50:20 xl0: deleted them Oct 22 06:50:25 i want to pull them down again Oct 22 06:50:54 oh. i think i did it. Oct 22 06:50:58 git checkout . Oct 22 06:50:59 mattl: I don't see your commit. Oct 22 06:51:50 doing it now. sorry, new to git :) Oct 22 06:54:59 just tried sending picture via mms to someone....their phone said "One or more of the message components has been deleted by MMS Adaption. Either the message was too large or the components were unsuitable for your terminal." Oct 22 06:55:06 xl0: there now Oct 22 06:55:07 this is a razor Oct 22 06:55:20 it should be able to handle it right...i clicked "automatically resize" Oct 22 06:55:30 is there a "bug" with how much it resizes it? Oct 22 07:00:27 xl0: can you see it? Oct 22 07:01:12 mattl: I'm getting a "Patch Set 1 is still being uploaded ..." message for some reason.. Oct 22 07:01:40 yeah, weird. Oct 22 07:01:49 especially as its like... tiny. Oct 22 07:04:15 WildCaterpillar: I've sent an MMS to a friend with a razor before with no issues Oct 22 07:04:44 WildCaterpillar: it was on pre-production everything, though, so something might have changed since then Oct 22 07:06:48 anyone need a dev PC, woot is sellin a PC for 179 3ghz Oct 22 07:07:08 xorl: URL? Oct 22 07:07:11 ah damn Oct 22 07:07:13 sold out Oct 22 07:07:16 haha Oct 22 07:07:18 that was like not even 45 seconds Oct 22 07:08:24 mattl: I'd say that definetely something went wrong. You probably want to ping the googlers... Oct 22 07:09:21 yay i broke google. Oct 22 07:09:35 jasonchen: http://review.source.android.com/r/deec2d9ccac1 << weirdness here. Oct 22 07:09:47 jbailey: http://review.source.android.com/r/deec2d9ccac1 << weirdness here Oct 22 07:09:54 i think that's enough googlers. Oct 22 07:10:23 I'm not sure what time is it where those googlers live.. Oct 22 07:10:43 12 an Oct 22 07:10:44 am* Oct 22 07:11:01 * waldo__ is back (gone 00:47:59) Oct 22 07:12:10 mattl: i'll let the folks working on Gerrit know Oct 22 07:12:32 if you break google, you get to keep both pieces Oct 22 07:13:18 you break it, you pay (me) for it Oct 22 07:15:32 haha Oct 22 07:15:38 you mean google ads pays you for it Oct 22 07:22:01 * waldo__ is away: auto-away Oct 22 07:30:28 * waldo__ is back (gone 00:08:27) Oct 22 07:32:49 xorl Oct 22 07:32:54 check out http://www.wooters.us Oct 22 07:33:05 it bongs when an item sells out during a wootoff Oct 22 07:33:33 and push updates Oct 22 07:34:00 so languish, still enjoying the G1? Oct 22 07:34:03 if I had the time to develop the skills, i'd make a woot tracker for android Oct 22 07:34:50 you seemed a little "on the wall" about it yesterday Oct 22 07:35:11 DarkriftX, like I said..mixed feelings. It's android I like. The G1 hardware.. well.. I can live with it.. and I really like the screen slide-out mechanism and the trackball.. but the "chin" and crappy camera annoys me Oct 22 07:35:34 the camera *really* needed a flash/led light Oct 22 07:36:09 i tried to take some pics with it in the schoolyard I passed through on my way home tonight Oct 22 07:36:14 and there was moderate might Oct 22 07:36:19 languish: I agree that the camera is horribad and I was expecting to hate the chin, but it does make it more confortable to hold vertically. Oct 22 07:36:33 and it wouldn't even take the shot because it couldn't focus on anything Oct 22 07:36:52 the chin makes more sense if the camera was worth using Oct 22 07:37:05 <_avatar> although it could look better, i think the device is very well constructed. it feels really solid Oct 22 07:37:08 but without the camera being decent, the chin is just an annoyance Oct 22 07:37:09 <_avatar> which is more important to me than looks Oct 22 07:37:22 avatar, I'm not complaining about the looks Oct 22 07:37:34 <_avatar> oh, i know, i'm just chiming in with my own opinions :) Oct 22 07:38:16 the g1 feels good in my hand, except for when typing.. my right thumb has to stretch when I have it in a comfortable position Oct 22 07:38:22 and that's getting old fast Oct 22 07:38:51 i like it enough not to return it. but I will replace it when a suitable device comes out Oct 22 07:39:22 though, I may stick with android Oct 22 07:39:31 so make that a suitable android device Oct 22 07:39:33 :| Oct 22 07:39:53 it's too bad the touch pro doesn't have the compass Oct 22 07:39:58 or the trackball Oct 22 07:43:15 anybody having trouble with clearsilver when compiling the src code? Oct 22 07:45:04 good to hear languish Oct 22 07:45:28 i hate devices with a crappy camera, might as well not put one at all Oct 22 07:45:48 im glad you like android, as thats what im really interested in Oct 22 07:46:07 the g1 is just the first device with it installed, hence my interest in it Oct 22 07:46:12 oh man, i forgot how much I love this stuff Oct 22 07:46:23 * languish guzzlin Manhattan Special's Oct 22 07:48:09 Espresso Coffee soda sweetened with sugar, not HFCS. using real espresso, not flavoring Oct 22 07:48:10 for whomever was following along about the missing push technology for regular users, I found this: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=201 Oct 22 07:49:37 have any g1 users here found a working file manager/browser yet? Oct 22 07:49:50 there are threads on most android forums and still nothing :( Oct 22 07:50:28 darkriftx would it work as a APK? Oct 22 07:50:31 aren't they sandboxed? Oct 22 07:51:16 all i know is the 3 ive found dont install on the emu and are said not to work on the g1 Oct 22 07:51:21 ive been looking for one that works Oct 22 07:51:48 I don't see how it could work in the g1 since the apps don't have access to the file system... er I mean "activities" or whatever Oct 22 07:52:01 what forums are you looking at? Oct 22 07:52:59 mine, androidcommunity, and a couple others Oct 22 07:53:16 i dont remember all the urls, i search for htem each time lol Oct 22 07:53:19 gotcha Oct 22 07:53:33 there was video on g1tube.com of an android app accessing the g1 in a shell wasn't there? Oct 22 07:53:50 You're talking about a browser of the Linux(ish) system yah? I don't think the android apps have access to that stuff. Oct 22 07:53:52 err acessing the g1 filesystem Oct 22 07:53:58 really? Oct 22 07:53:59 really Oct 22 07:54:25 I don't know if changes before the release broke it or not.. but it existed Oct 22 07:54:33 wow, a metconnect account Oct 22 07:54:44 I wonder if mine still works Oct 22 07:54:53 haven't used dialup in ages Oct 22 08:11:26 does distinct work for content providers? Oct 22 08:14:15 qb.setDistinct seems to be broken Oct 22 08:16:43 does anyone know when GTalkservice or XMPP is supposed to show up? Oct 22 08:16:50 Probably not, but just asking Oct 22 08:19:36 waldo__: yes we do. Oct 22 08:19:44 It will be back in 1.0 there is a blog post about it Oct 22 08:19:56 there's a blog post saying it WON'T be in 1.0 Oct 22 08:20:33 do they sell the G1 for $400 without a contract too? This is what a news story says... Oct 22 08:20:44 ah sorry i misread that Oct 22 08:21:11 http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/08/some-information-on-apis-removed-in.html <- here Oct 22 08:21:24 yeah i am reading through it again Oct 22 08:21:28 not sure elefth--- they're hard enough to get with the contract Oct 22 08:21:41 an unlocked phone isn't all that useful if the 3G/UMTS is only compatible with T-mobile Oct 22 08:21:46 basically it seems that this GTalkService is really "Android push service" Oct 22 08:22:04 otherwise known as "Android don't waste CPU and battery polling service" Oct 22 08:22:35 p1mrx you can still use it as a phone out of the country tho Oct 22 08:28:24 p1mrx: I am not in the US Oct 22 08:33:22 UTMS,,, Oct 22 08:35:37 that wouldn't work in UK, would it? Oct 22 08:36:11 actually tmobile is a european country.. i wonder if it would...? is 3g widely deployed there? Oct 22 08:37:25 t-mobile is a german company you mean Oct 22 08:37:36 well, yes 3G is widely deployed here Oct 22 08:38:06 but 3G is for data, right? I don't think any service providers offer UTMS, we have GSM here Oct 22 08:38:15 it matters whether the phone supports UMTS at the correct frequencies for your network. Oct 22 08:38:39 UMTS carries voice as well. It's like the next version of GSM Oct 22 08:38:54 I don't know all the details; GSM will likely work in more places. Oct 22 08:40:10 basically, GSM and UMTS operate on a variety of frequencies depending on the provider and country. Your phone has to support the right frequencies. Oct 22 08:41:59 I have a crappy AT&T LG phone that has UMTS and GSM. I can tell when it falls back to GSM because it makes my speakers buzz. Oct 22 08:43:18 anyway, time to sleep. Oct 22 08:43:59 p1mrx: I see, thanks Oct 22 08:44:04 p1mrx: good night Oct 22 08:58:46 Hi people! Oct 22 08:59:32 I've been googling around for this but somehow couldn't find any answers: will I be able to install modified android sources on the G1? Oct 22 09:20:05 spark__, that's a question for t-mobile, I think. Oct 22 09:20:46 hi, I'm trying to get the source since yesterday without success Oct 22 09:20:47 yesterday was gecko, today is... I don't know for sure Oct 22 09:20:58 is anithing wrong with th servers? Oct 22 09:21:20 no, the gecko servers are working just fine. Oct 22 09:21:39 android uses webkit, of course Oct 22 09:21:52 so that might be part of your problem Oct 22 09:22:25 does android support inputs from usb mouse? Oct 22 09:23:01 how to i integrate my usb driver into android or make android take inputs from usb mouse Oct 22 09:23:17 yes, how. Oct 22 09:23:40 how you plug usb mouse into android? Oct 22 09:24:01 that is your answer. Oct 22 09:24:16 as far as i know - i have a usb mouse, i have drivers for usb host Oct 22 09:25:16 i can access my mouse through the input subsystem of linux. i need to tell android to take inputs from something (could be device node) Oct 22 09:25:19 how do i do it? Oct 22 09:26:25 yes, how? Oct 22 09:26:30 ok, you know what I mean Oct 22 09:26:51 I don't? Oct 22 09:27:01 encontrado: are you asking me? Oct 22 09:27:22 shri, it's called the socratic method Oct 22 09:27:24 wait, appears to be working now, after 10+ trials this morning Oct 22 09:28:04 go figure, a hugely anticipated source release was difficult to download in the first 24 hours Oct 22 09:28:07 crazy Oct 22 09:45:11 it's crazy that google has trouble with that.. I mean google is just about the biggest internet company out there Oct 22 09:46:45 encontrado: I have no experience with rom-replacement on HTC-phones; but this is something controlled by T-Mobile I understand? Oct 22 09:47:11 Some1 here with a real G1? Oct 22 09:47:47 I got mine about 12 hours ago Oct 22 09:48:05 connectbot doesn't work on it Oct 22 09:48:51 spark__, you should probably stop thinking in terms like "rom replacement" Oct 22 09:49:12 encontrado: is there a setting which allows you to have the device change orientation based on the sensors? Oct 22 09:49:30 encontrado: hm? Oct 22 09:49:31 MrSnowflake, sadly, no. Oct 22 09:49:48 hmm, that's stupid. Oct 22 09:50:00 You can do it for your own app, but not for the whole device? Oct 22 09:50:08 spark__, there is no "rom" that you'll be replacing when and if you replace core android software. Oct 22 09:51:06 why wouldn't there be a rom? Oct 22 09:51:20 MrSnowflake, generally, flipping the device into keyboard-exposed mode and back switches to to landscape, and back Oct 22 09:51:20 encontrado: ah, I see; so how would replacing the android software happen? Oct 22 09:51:39 encontrado: I know but I want it to be gravity based... Oct 22 09:51:43 MrSnowflake, it doesn't always work out well Oct 22 09:52:00 how's that? Oct 22 09:52:04 what happens if you hold the device flat? Oct 22 09:52:13 e.g. on a table? Oct 22 09:52:19 oh, that's what you meant Oct 22 09:52:27 hmm well yeah... Oct 22 09:52:36 :) Oct 22 09:52:38 Wander_w, when you hold the device flat, it stays in orientation is was in before you made it flat. Oct 22 09:52:54 Back to the rom thing Oct 22 09:53:11 "rom" is just totally the wrong acronym, here Oct 22 09:53:23 how's that? Oct 22 09:53:36 because it's not Read Only Oct 22 09:54:48 yeah true, but Windows Mobile's rom also isn't ro, but still it's called rom Oct 22 09:54:49 even "firmware" would be inaccurate Oct 22 09:56:01 When there will be a new G1 android version, you'll probably download a 'rom' thingy and flash it to your device. So the practice stays the same. Oct 22 09:56:16 um. Oct 22 09:57:15 what, exactly, is a "G1 android version?" Oct 22 09:57:15 MrSnowflake, i thought they had Firmware update over-the-air ? Oct 22 09:57:28 source is 2Gb.. Oct 22 09:57:45 the firmware isn't 2gb Oct 22 09:57:53 it’s about 30MB Oct 22 09:57:54 the G1 updated from your carrier over the air Oct 22 09:57:59 aissen: Ok, thanks, then this whole rom 'issue' is just a debate on name calling :p Oct 22 09:58:06 and an update would be much smaller Oct 22 09:58:15 (if done cleverly) Oct 22 09:58:31 *naming Oct 22 09:58:42 MrSnowflake, it's more than that Oct 22 09:58:51 tell me! Oct 22 09:59:20 when you talk about "android roms," you're thinking of android as a hardware platform Oct 22 09:59:59 yeah, you should say "image" Oct 22 10:00:12 encontrado: yeah that's true. Oct 22 10:00:34 ok, but will it be possible to replace the android *image* on the G1 Oct 22 10:00:39 i think you should start with explaining the difference to him between an OS as firmware, and OS on a harddisk Oct 22 10:00:44 when you think of it as a hardware platform, you think of it as something that only the manufacturer can modify Oct 22 10:00:52 for now, i doubt it would be, later i bet a hack will come out Oct 22 10:00:54 but it's a software platform Oct 22 10:01:04 i give 2 weeks max for a hack Oct 22 10:01:22 encontrado: true, but to make your own flavour of android you still need the manufacturers drivers Oct 22 10:01:35 *kernelmodules Oct 22 10:01:40 which means third-party hardware vendors, VARs, and, lord willing, end users can modify it Oct 22 10:01:54 MrSnowflake, not just me Oct 22 10:02:03 me and everyone else in the supply chain Oct 22 10:02:18 MrSnowflake, even without the hardware manufacturers, with time and effort, drievrs can be built Oct 22 10:02:19 I know Oct 22 10:02:31 *drivers Oct 22 10:02:45 languish: I know that too, but that's most often a hard job to do. Oct 22 10:02:59 and most of the hardware in these devices is going to be sufficiently generic Oct 22 10:03:04 but straightforward modifications to the dialer-application, the camera-application etc etc.. would it be possible to actually get those on your G1 again? Oct 22 10:03:07 languish: take a look at the HTC Wizard's linux Oct 22 10:03:21 so much of the firmware will work Oct 22 10:03:58 spark__: yes Oct 22 10:04:35 mwsnow: ok, that's great Oct 22 10:05:00 oh, I've got a question: How are the emails stored in the email app on android? I suppose it uses a Content Provider. Oct 22 10:05:10 One might hope that the whole ball of wax would work well enough for at least the first device implementing it on launch Oct 22 10:05:13 but no Oct 22 10:05:46 the only ssh client, connectbot, works on the emulator, but not on the G1 Oct 22 10:06:11 yeah, I've heard a lot of stuff like those. Oct 22 10:06:15 and that's not a minor app Oct 22 10:06:20 +- has problems with some Gps app. Oct 22 10:06:29 ... Oct 22 10:06:52 it works perfect on the emu, but on the real device the information comming from the gps seems, strange Oct 22 10:07:04 sorry gtg dinner. Oct 22 10:07:35 … Oct 22 10:07:47 wtf, it’s lunch time! ;-) Oct 22 10:09:29 g1 good ? Oct 22 10:09:38 im about to wake up early possibly? Oct 22 10:09:55 * umdk1d3 rolls into town Oct 22 10:10:03 anybody irc'ing from line? Oct 22 10:10:54 from line with what? Oct 22 10:11:17 umdk1d3, i’m one my G1 with a custom irc client Oct 22 10:12:00 aissen, is it a public android client? Oct 22 10:12:07 not yet Oct 22 10:12:09 I have a G1, but I'm waiting for an ssh client that works before I irc with it Oct 22 10:12:23 I'd love to beta when you're ready Oct 22 10:12:50 ok Oct 22 10:12:50 what we really need is a nice proxied irc client Oct 22 10:13:11 proxied? Oct 22 10:13:34 mobile networks are up and down a lot as you go in and out of coverage Oct 22 10:13:56 and a proxy helps you with that, how? Oct 22 10:13:59 falling off of and logging back into irc is obnoxious. having to keep logging in over ssh and reopening screen, also annoying Oct 22 10:14:19 again, tell me how the proxy helps. Oct 22 10:14:25 so, what you want is a mobile client that connects to (and reconnects as necessary) with a proxy and the proxy hangs on to your irc session Oct 22 10:15:10 encontrado proxy in this case, is a pc somewhere else, that connects to irc for you, and you then connect to that pc and it relays the connection between the two. Oct 22 10:15:11 instead of an irc client, or terminal, that reconnects as necesary? Oct 22 10:15:15 keeps the session alive, hangs on to inbound messages, lets the mobile device pick up from whereever when it reconnects Oct 22 10:15:17 When you disconnect, the proxy pc stays connected Oct 22 10:15:23 (plain english) Oct 22 10:15:37 languish, I understand irc proxies Oct 22 10:16:00 okay, my bad Oct 22 10:16:01 what I don't understand is how they help the connection-dropping problem Oct 22 10:16:01 basically think terminal+ssh+screen+irsii (or epic or whatever) Oct 22 10:16:32 but instead, you have chatclient+chatbackend Oct 22 10:16:48 yeah, with bit dropouts between them Oct 22 10:16:54 awesome. Oct 22 10:16:57 backend is logged into irc (or whatever transport you like) and remains so even if the frontend sometimes goes away and comes back Oct 22 10:17:22 so you, the user, still get dropouts. Oct 22 10:17:25 no Oct 22 10:17:37 backend buffers while the frontend is disconnected Oct 22 10:17:37 yes. Oct 22 10:17:53 you get long pauses, lol Oct 22 10:17:57 and while the frontend is disconnected, you're effectively dropped out. Oct 22 10:18:09 whee. Oct 22 10:18:12 languish Oct 22 10:18:17 so how is it ? Oct 22 10:18:19 tell me tell me Oct 22 10:18:20 hehe Oct 22 10:18:25 you don't wanna know Oct 22 10:18:26 i think i might splurge today Oct 22 10:18:29 oh really :( Oct 22 10:18:33 i should wait then? Oct 22 10:18:35 android, awesome Oct 22 10:18:39 and suffer with my lag Oct 22 10:18:41 G1 hardware... Oct 22 10:18:41 of iphone Oct 22 10:18:56 what's so bad about it? Oct 22 10:19:03 have you used any other devices to compare? Oct 22 10:19:07 G1 hardware is... just like a sidekick Oct 22 10:19:12 ouch Oct 22 10:19:15 looks like it kinda Oct 22 10:19:20 trackball , slide ..etc Oct 22 10:19:28 well, it's got touch-screen Oct 22 10:19:32 the camera isn't worth jack. The chin, IS annoying, expecially with the headset connected. But, the trackball works nicely in conjunction with the keybaord. Oct 22 10:19:50 but it's finicky touch-screen that doesn't always touch what you want it to Oct 22 10:20:11 yeah, the touch screen needs more fine tuning Oct 22 10:21:51 and there's the problem with the actual hardware not running stuff that works fine on the emulator Oct 22 10:22:02 that's a bit of a bummer Oct 22 10:23:07 honestly the latter is more likely to be an emulator issue than a device issue Oct 22 10:23:13 WRITE ONCE, RUN ANYWHERE Oct 22 10:23:27 Man, I am so proud to be a java dev Oct 22 10:23:46 assuming it's not just timing related. I've grabbed a number of emulator only projects and had them run fine on the device. Oct 22 10:24:01 timing? Oct 22 10:24:18 er sorry, half asleep here Oct 22 10:24:23 k Oct 22 10:24:49 swetland: proxied, like a BNC? =D Oct 22 10:25:03 in any case if there are specific examples of something working on the emulator but not on actual hardware, worth filing a bug Oct 22 10:25:29 time for me to start a line at my local tmobile Oct 22 10:26:02 swetland, show me the bug reporting interface for Connectbot Oct 22 10:26:03 http://sunnyvale.frotz.net/android/unbox/unbox7.jpg Oct 22 10:26:21 I'd love to file a bug, if only I could figure out where to do it Oct 22 10:26:31 connectbot actually worked for me on g1, minus some issues with the ui Oct 22 10:26:43 though I have a friend who did not have any luck with it Oct 22 10:26:46 it worked not at all for me Oct 22 10:27:15 try to connect, blank screen for 5-10 seconds, then complete app crash Oct 22 10:27:37 hmm is there a flag to check if the gui is laying-out? im editing an adapter from another thread and rarely it messes up the layout process. i have the final call to notifyDataSetChanged() correctly happening in a handler, but in some cases the adapter is changing during teh initial layout pass Oct 22 10:27:42 http://code.google.com/p/connectbot/issues/list Oct 22 10:28:10 grab the sdk, grab adb, plug in your device, run adb logcat, and grab the exception when it crashes, submit a bug report to the authors Oct 22 10:28:59 ouch @ connectbot :/ Oct 22 10:29:13 swetland: is the terminal app useful on end user devices? Oct 22 10:29:25 like, can they get to openssh? Oct 22 10:29:37 you could build openssh or dropbear ssh Oct 22 10:29:45 and toss it in /data/local/bin with adb push Oct 22 10:29:59 oh sweet Oct 22 10:30:02 someone should explain that Oct 22 10:30:10 because "real" ssh is better than java-emulated ssh Oct 22 10:30:26 even though connectbot has some nice gui stuff, and holds connections in a service Oct 22 10:30:31 there's no reason a java client shouldn't be able to be quite solid Oct 22 10:30:32 swetland, are you connecting to a Linux system? Oct 22 10:30:35 * umdk1d3 goes to delete that apk because its very outdated Oct 22 10:30:44 and connectbot actually seemed to have slightly better terminal emulation than Terminal Oct 22 10:31:21 connectbot had no terminal emulation at all, as far as I could tell Oct 22 10:31:36 encontrado: it should, but it was a bit messy Oct 22 10:31:51 if it did have terminal emulation, it was hard-coded Oct 22 10:32:04 no place to select your terminal type, anywhere Oct 22 10:32:06 later this morning ill build a "real" apk with signatures, and do any last minute bugchecks Oct 22 10:32:18 encontrado: right i think that was becasue of the emulation library we used Oct 22 10:32:21 so overall Oct 22 10:32:25 do you regret your purchase? Oct 22 10:32:27 the "best" performance was using "screen" instead of "xterm" Oct 22 10:32:37 there /is/ an option to choose in svn now Oct 22 10:32:43 in the host settings Oct 22 10:32:47 * Dialekt rolls drum Oct 22 10:32:50 ill throw that new apk up later today Oct 22 10:32:55 or you could build it yourslef ^.^ Oct 22 10:33:03 * umdk1d3 has other stuff to code Oct 22 10:33:05 I wouldn't mind Oct 22 10:33:09 umdk1d3: if you could uses right alt or menu for control you'd be my hero ^^ Oct 22 10:33:44 lol swetland there was talk about mapping the search key to ctrl+a Oct 22 10:33:52 because im a serious user of screen Oct 22 10:33:54 building a java project isn't exactly rocket science Oct 22 10:34:06 nor is putting a link to the build on a web site Oct 22 10:34:08 search would work too Oct 22 10:34:10 but of course, making all those combos customizable Oct 22 10:34:16 and yes, I too am a heavy screen users Oct 22 10:34:21 not going to happen today lol, but someone else could write it ;) Oct 22 10:34:35 but asking every user to do that, well, that's maybe a little more difficult Oct 22 10:34:59 I absolutely live in screen Oct 22 10:35:11 seems to work fine for me Oct 22 10:35:14 but that didn't make connectbot work for me Oct 22 10:35:26 swetland, are you connecting to a Linux host? Oct 22 10:35:42 no idea what's running on the ssh jumpbox Oct 22 10:35:45 probably linux Oct 22 10:35:56 I'm trying to talk to FreeBSD Oct 22 10:35:59 hmm Oct 22 10:36:08 encontrado: ive always used openssh on the other end of connectboy Oct 22 10:36:10 *bot Oct 22 10:36:18 on debian/gentoo linux boxes Oct 22 10:36:19 it's having some redraw issues with mutt Oct 22 10:36:27 but the color support is doing what I'd expect Oct 22 10:36:51 swetland: that color support was a /horrid/ mess to deal with Oct 22 10:36:55 a menu option to terminate the session would be nice Oct 22 10:37:10 y Oct 22 10:37:12 umdk: indeed. I've done vt100/xterm emu before. I try to avoid color because it's a pita Oct 22 10:37:12 the menu button should do that? and copy/paste too? Oct 22 10:37:29 oh nice Oct 22 10:37:37 it might only be in the svn copy right now Oct 22 10:37:43 you've got the trackball sending the up/down escape sequences Oct 22 10:37:48 yea :/ Oct 22 10:37:49 ooh! Oct 22 10:37:53 no menu in the active session Oct 22 10:37:59 to up/down, wipe in the right half of screen Oct 22 10:38:01 I'll have to build from source sometime Oct 22 10:38:07 to pg up/down, wipe in left half of screen =D Oct 22 10:38:14 not sure if thats in that apk Oct 22 10:38:24 doesn't seem to be Oct 22 10:38:30 eh oh well Oct 22 10:38:42 it's a nice little app Oct 22 10:38:47 anybody who wants svn write access on that, just lemme know Oct 22 10:38:54 could use a bit of polish, but off to a good start Oct 22 10:39:07 oops Oct 22 10:39:08 swetland: have you opened multiple sessions? Oct 22 10:39:12 closed the screen and it logged me out Oct 22 10:39:15 so you can "pan" left/right between them? Oct 22 10:39:41 darnit that might not be in that apk Oct 22 10:39:55 the apk was from late august Oct 22 10:39:59 I'm guessing it's a bit stale Oct 22 10:40:02 swetland: heres a video http://www.jsharkey.org/downloads/ssh.html Oct 22 10:40:11 uses volume for fontsize too Oct 22 10:41:08 very nice Oct 22 10:41:34 one of these days I need to learn how to write app code for our platform ^^ Oct 22 10:43:09 I managed hello world, it was tough Oct 22 10:44:05 umdk1d3: is it yours? Oct 22 10:44:14 'cause it looks great Oct 22 10:53:35 I think PuTTY gets the color support right Oct 22 10:54:03 but at huge effort, I'm sure Oct 22 10:54:21 "just pass the problem on to the end user" Oct 22 10:54:43 but that means cobbling together a UI for it Oct 22 10:59:36 david@vmubuntu:~/mydroid$ repo init -u git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/manifest.git Oct 22 11:00:04 home/david/bin/repo: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `<' Oct 22 11:00:08 any ideas why? Oct 22 11:00:13 it comes back 404 error. Oct 22 11:06:21 doh.. ;) Oct 22 11:08:44 hello Oct 22 11:09:04 anyone know if I can build the source and install on the HTC Diamond? Oct 22 11:23:21 anyone know if I can stand on my head? Oct 22 11:24:30 no, you cant Oct 22 11:24:54 standOnHead() is not supported because of a firmware limitation :P Oct 22 11:25:00 dang Oct 22 11:25:28 ^^ Oct 22 11:25:32 Landswipe: did you get "repo" yet? Oct 22 11:25:38 anyone know if I can dingle my dong Oct 22 11:26:01 Landswipe: because I've got a copy Oct 22 11:27:02 when i download repo and then try "make" i get this error, *** Case-insensitive filesystems not supported. Stop. Oct 22 11:30:31 Millow: don't use windows Oct 22 11:31:12 Wander_w: use OS X Oct 22 11:31:14 using Oct 22 11:31:15 * Oct 22 11:31:43 oh... then somehow set your filesystem to be casesensitive Oct 22 11:41:03 yay ^.^ Oct 22 11:41:06 new apk ready Oct 22 11:57:06 *yawn* Oct 22 11:58:55 * jasta ponders how early he should need to get to the t-mobile store Oct 22 11:59:52 jasta: get one for me :-) Oct 22 12:10:44 * plusminus_ 22nd *DANCE* Oct 22 12:11:13 jasta: GO NAOI :P Oct 22 12:11:26 /topic zero Oct 22 12:13:11 nice. and today is a woot off Oct 22 12:14:52 Dougie187: it would be insane if they had a lot of g1s in there :P Oct 22 12:15:02 yeah Oct 22 12:15:12 /might/ go faster than a BOC Oct 22 12:15:15 lol, "Tmobile G1 $150 + $5 S&H" Oct 22 12:15:33 Contract Free! Oct 22 12:16:57 that's cheap Oct 22 12:17:04 where's that? Oct 22 12:17:58 Woot.com Oct 22 12:18:10 its all sold out though Oct 22 12:18:13 i bought 10 of them Oct 22 12:19:47 really? Oct 22 12:19:56 I get this error, anyone know how to fix when running "make" Oct 22 12:19:56 Case-insensitive filesystems not supported. Stop. Oct 22 12:20:03 using OS X 10.5 Oct 22 12:20:09 umdk1d3: look what we started. Oct 22 12:22:32 btw will T-mobile accept 400$ cash in their store ? Oct 22 12:22:38 Or will I have to use a credit card ? Oct 22 12:22:47 plusminus_, they're not apple Oct 22 12:23:06 they'll be happy to take your cash Oct 22 12:23:07 ?? I'm not yet familiar with the amercian way of buying stuff Oct 22 12:23:10 ok Oct 22 12:23:31 american banking system is weird Oct 22 12:23:33 woooooot Oct 22 12:23:35 a.) its slow Oct 22 12:23:52 it's not slow. they're using your money to make more money for themselves Oct 22 12:23:56 b.) if you are in the 'negative' you pay like $100 for each check Oct 22 12:24:06 the american way of buying stuff mostly involves impulse purchasing, poor planning, and lots of credit card debt. cash, however, is always welcome Oct 22 12:24:07 it's rather instantaneous, but they build in artificlial delays Oct 22 12:24:23 swetland except when buying an iphone Oct 22 12:24:48 we told some people of 'nagative interest' when you are in 'the negatives Oct 22 12:25:00 and they said ... 'Oh that sounds fair.' Oct 22 12:25:03 the thing that always makes me laugh when Im back in the U.S. is the side of the fast food beverages Oct 22 12:25:09 s/side/size Oct 22 12:25:19 oh yeah Oct 22 12:25:24 get a medium and its like 82 oz Oct 22 12:25:28 I think the size of fast food beverages here are insane and I've lived here my whole life Oct 22 12:25:30 hehehe Oct 22 12:25:32 a large is 194 oz Oct 22 12:25:54 :D we never managed not to let a gallon of milk go bad :D Oct 22 12:26:12 you can chew it after 2-3 days Oct 22 12:26:16 large, supersize? its only 10c more you fat muthaf***** Oct 22 12:26:21 lolza Oct 22 12:26:29 plusminus_: the US banks are required to make most transactions occur within 3 days, and some within 24 hours. The overdraft penalties are just a ripoff, and a good reason to change banks when they pull that trick on you. Oct 22 12:26:50 http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/22/intel-arms-the-reason-the-iphone-sucks/ Oct 22 12:26:51 heh Oct 22 12:26:51 yeah I learned from that ;) Oct 22 12:27:05 I'm out guys, G1 is waiting :) Oct 22 12:27:23 o/ Oct 22 12:27:25 lol good luck Oct 22 12:27:50 * umdk1d3 is prepping several apks for market Oct 22 12:27:56 hopefully there will be some announcement today Oct 22 12:28:45 several? damn son. guess you gotta pay off that meth habit Oct 22 12:29:17 heyyy :P Oct 22 12:29:18 press release Oct 22 12:29:19 http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20081022005446&newsLang=en Oct 22 12:29:27 hehe Oct 22 12:29:42 i don't think its about the market though Oct 22 12:30:10 "select third-party stores" == best buy?? Oct 22 12:30:10 i wonder why they went with tmobile first. Oct 22 12:30:17 possibly. Oct 22 12:30:25 look online Oct 22 12:30:28 lets see if its there Oct 22 12:31:18 i dont see if on here yet. Oct 22 12:32:25 hehe Oct 22 12:32:25 http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/21/bandais-gun-oclock-shoot-the-target-or-youll-never-snooze-ag/ Oct 22 12:35:04 so Oct 22 12:35:09 it looks like you can order it online right now Oct 22 12:35:13 even as a new customer Oct 22 12:35:22 i dont have a zipcode with tmob service tho : Oct 22 12:35:25 what time is it over there anyway? Oct 22 12:35:30 nice Oct 22 12:35:33 swetland: do you just not sleep, or have you changed timezones? Oct 22 12:35:34 630am mountain Oct 22 12:35:44 ill try it out umdk1d3 Oct 22 12:36:01 lol they have a flash intro on their site for it Oct 22 12:36:05 umdk1d3: oh, good mornin' then :) Oct 22 12:36:19 $180 Oct 22 12:37:07 can i buy the g1 without a plan? Oct 22 12:37:28 erikwt: supposedly. Oct 22 12:37:34 its supposed to be $400 though Oct 22 12:38:04 They even have a "How to port your number" faq Oct 22 12:38:04 Dougie187, any webshop that is selling them? Oct 22 12:38:15 erikwt: without a plan, i dont think so Oct 22 12:38:20 give it a try tho Oct 22 12:39:04 erikwt: i think you can only get it through tmobile Oct 22 12:39:30 umdk1d3: looks like it works for new customers Oct 22 12:39:43 Dougie187, ok thanks Oct 22 12:40:15 http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones/detail.aspx?cell-phone=T-Mobile-G1-with-Google-Black&WT.mc_t=OnsiteLP&WT.mc_n=G1_BuyNow_CTA Oct 22 12:40:51 if it doesn't work online, you can always call them Oct 22 12:41:31 looks like they are out of the white one online Oct 22 12:41:34 only black and brown left Oct 22 12:41:48 *yawn* Oct 22 12:42:18 good morning jasta Oct 22 12:42:25 bright and early to get your G1 i see? Oct 22 12:42:46 yup :) Oct 22 12:42:56 gonna go have breakfast and head over to the t-mobile store to see what kind of hubbub is there Oct 22 12:43:01 ill probably be the first one there hehe Oct 22 12:43:07 probably Oct 22 12:43:10 before it even opens Oct 22 12:43:11 lo Oct 22 12:43:12 but ill get some coffee and hang out with my gf for a while Oct 22 12:43:14 lol* Oct 22 12:43:20 is she going with you? Oct 22 12:43:26 she has to, her car is busted :P Oct 22 12:43:29 lol Oct 22 12:43:31 she's taking my car and leaving me there hehe Oct 22 12:43:34 well thats too bad. Oct 22 12:43:41 your just going to hang out at the tmobile store? Oct 22 12:44:10 well she has to leave at about 8 Oct 22 12:44:18 so theyll be open and hopefully processing my order by then :P Oct 22 12:44:25 the employees were scheduled to show up at 7 Oct 22 12:44:29 yeah, but then what are you going to do? Oct 22 12:44:36 if you don't get done until 8:30 Oct 22 12:44:37 lol Oct 22 12:44:39 get a bus back home Oct 22 12:44:49 oh ok. sounds like a good plan. Oct 22 12:44:51 its this little thing called a major metropolitan area :) Oct 22 12:45:01 oh right, i don't know what that is. Oct 22 12:46:30 hah oh man Oct 22 12:47:54 someone sent a request to view my google calendar, while attempting to log in on my G1 to apprive it, I got rhe message "sorry, you are trying to use Google Calendar with a browser that isn't currently supported. Press OK to view a readon only version..yadda yadda Oct 22 12:48:16 lol Oct 22 12:48:21 that is retarded Oct 22 12:48:54 well, google owns grandcentral.com and that doesn't work on the g1 browser either Oct 22 12:49:01 :\ Oct 22 12:49:43 i get alerts by email when someone leaves a voicemail on my GC #. supposed to be able to click the link in the email, to take me to GC and play the voicemail Oct 22 12:50:01 no worky on G1 Oct 22 12:50:26 some day... my app will come.. some day.. on my G1 Oct 22 13:00:36 languish: this is probably because of the way the android project was structured inside google Oct 22 13:00:44 unlike other projects, android was closed off to other groups/teams. Oct 22 13:01:11 no one could look at the code or generally interact in a useful way Oct 22 13:01:48 jasta: getting ready to go wait outside? ;) Oct 22 13:01:50 success!! Just got my G1 from tmo store Oct 22 13:01:51 so they choked their resources a bit, and as such, certain things are not supported :) Oct 22 13:02:02 no line here in Boston, about 5 of us at 8am Oct 22 13:02:06 they opened early Oct 22 13:02:12 sweet :) Oct 22 13:02:22 hey, do I have to pay anything up front, or is it all just on the first bill? Oct 22 13:02:34 yakischloba: depends on your credit check, which they will run Oct 22 13:02:42 assuming I have good credit Oct 22 13:02:50 if you seem to be a sort of dead beat fella you might have to pay for the phone up front and even the first phone or two of service Oct 22 13:03:05 otherwise, you will probably just pay for the cost of the phone up front Oct 22 13:03:12 hmm. Oct 22 13:03:35 well i have excellent credit history. I just don't keep a lot of money in my checking account or else I spend it all, so im wondering how much I need handy before I go ;) Oct 22 13:03:59 we should be hearing some reports from east coast re: demand Oct 22 13:04:02 its 9am there Oct 22 13:04:20 im about to head over there, but i expect not much demand Oct 22 13:04:21 umdk1d3: most of them are probably busy playing with their phones ;) Oct 22 13:04:32 if you look at the volumes of phones shipped, its pretty obvious this thing isnt as popular as the iphone Oct 22 13:04:36 jasta, you'll get one Oct 22 13:04:39 most stores in seattle are getting 15-30 in. Oct 22 13:04:46 thats piddly Oct 22 13:04:53 jasta: true, but its all about /creating/ scarcity Oct 22 13:05:05 jasta, the iPhone also sold 6.9 million in one quarter Oct 22 13:05:12 umdk1d3: yeah but if they dont manage to sell out nearly every store, *FAIL* Oct 22 13:05:29 the G1 isn't even being advertised Oct 22 13:05:34 not really Oct 22 13:06:09 usually when I get a new device a few days before launch, and I take the subway.. I get all kinds of interest Oct 22 13:06:18 not one person looked twice at the g1 Oct 22 13:06:45 android is cool, but htc devices are kinda ugly :) Oct 22 13:07:00 "htc" devices aren't ugly Oct 22 13:07:08 the g1 just looks like a sidekick Oct 22 13:07:11 and isn't sleek Oct 22 13:07:21 the htc touch pro is pretty sexy to me Oct 22 13:07:31 i wasn't impressed with the g1 hardware design Oct 22 13:07:36 agreed Oct 22 13:08:06 teh camera is practically useless indoors or at night Oct 22 13:08:07 does the G1 have a simlock? Oct 22 13:08:09 really annoying Oct 22 13:08:20 languish: so is the iPhone's Oct 22 13:08:33 my v600 from years ago takes better low light pics Oct 22 13:08:47 i don't care about the iphone Oct 22 13:08:49 at all Oct 22 13:09:03 i care about the device I chose Oct 22 13:09:27 i'm just saying the iPhone camera is just as crappy :) Oct 22 13:09:32 in lowlight that is Oct 22 13:10:18 damn, still can't pull webkit? Oct 22 13:10:29 downloaded ok for me Oct 22 13:10:45 i'm getting a connection refused Oct 22 13:11:29 I had that the 1st time too Oct 22 13:11:36 how come my contacts keep disappearing? :( Oct 22 13:11:49 flip on what? Oct 22 13:11:57 my g1 :P Oct 22 13:11:59 webkit fixrd - read http://source.android.com/known-issues Oct 22 13:12:07 im sure this isnt a support channel i just thought id give it a shot Oct 22 13:12:38 massiveRobot: good looking out :) Oct 22 13:12:43 flip forums.t-mobile.com Oct 22 13:12:47 michaelnovakjr: if i add 5 contacts and save each one... when i go into my contacts; ill have 3 :P Oct 22 13:12:49 i haven't looked at it since yesterday Oct 22 13:12:51 k thanks ill check it out Oct 22 13:13:17 michaelnovakjr: did you help him get it working last night? Oct 22 13:14:15 the headphones that came with the g1 aren't loud enough for music on the subway, even after upping the volume ont he headphone inline control and the g1 itself Oct 22 13:14:21 *sigh* Oct 22 13:14:39 Dougie187: i was still setting up my system. I hadn't been working on Five on that machine Oct 22 13:14:39 shocking Oct 22 13:14:46 i was trying to reproduce it Oct 22 13:14:55 yeah, i couldn't reproduce it either. Oct 22 13:28:09 whew Oct 22 13:28:32 just wrote a nice piece of code to check for new versions Oct 22 13:28:40 will opensource it later today Oct 22 13:40:07 okay who was asking about connectbot earlier Oct 22 13:40:11 * umdk1d3 uploads finalized apk Oct 22 13:40:31 tethridge: you get it working last night? Oct 22 13:40:38 nope Oct 22 13:40:46 bust. Oct 22 13:40:49 :-) Oct 22 13:40:58 still getting that same error? Oct 22 13:41:03 yeah Oct 22 13:41:08 do a clean install Oct 22 13:41:11 why dont you try to clean it, and do it again? Oct 22 13:41:12 lol Oct 22 13:41:24 but don't do masa again Oct 22 13:41:34 I can try that Oct 22 13:41:44 just clear out five-read-only and re-check it out and try it again from the start Oct 22 13:42:00 alright Oct 22 13:42:19 are both of you guys helping jasta work on five? Oct 22 13:42:38 i am Oct 22 13:43:04 umdk1d3: i had 2 questions for you actually. connectbot never prompts for password and someone said you were responsible for itunes-remote requiring permission to shave my dog and sell my house....? Oct 22 13:43:16 i just play with it. Oct 22 13:43:22 i don't have time to develop right now. Oct 22 13:43:34 Dougie187, do you have a large music collection? Oct 22 13:43:46 fairly large? but not as big as jastas. Oct 22 13:43:55 jasta has 75 gigs. Oct 22 13:44:03 but i only have like ~25 if i remember right Oct 22 13:44:03 what about you michaelnovakjr? Oct 22 13:44:05 that's small Oct 22 13:44:11 100 gigs Oct 22 13:44:11 I've got 125GB Oct 22 13:44:21 yeah Oct 22 13:44:27 tethridge: Oct 22 13:44:29 my abd Oct 22 13:44:31 bad Oct 22 13:44:38 michaelnovakjr, how does it work for you? Oct 22 13:44:46 performance wise? Oct 22 13:44:51 i haven't loaded up the whole library yet Oct 22 13:44:59 that is my plan for this week Oct 22 13:45:12 let me know how it goes Oct 22 13:45:17 definitely Oct 22 13:45:36 I guess you guys have tried jinzora before? Oct 22 13:45:51 that is what I use to listen to my music from home while at work Oct 22 13:45:52 Can you specify sounds? I can't tell txt msg from email. Oct 22 13:46:35 Disconnect: okay cool, thanks for letting me know Oct 22 13:46:41 i have no clue what the remote apps problem is Oct 22 13:46:49 tethridge: i have not. Oct 22 13:46:52 i update that apk, signed correctly for market an stuff too Oct 22 13:46:56 umdk1d3: downloading the new version now Oct 22 13:47:02 is there something to record video out there yet? Oct 22 13:47:11 umdk1d3: did you see the prompt? (and some comments - istr on andappstore - saying its not just me :) ..) Oct 22 13:47:13 yea lemme know if it works Oct 22 13:47:26 passwor dprompt? Oct 22 13:47:39 that connectbot apk was HORRIDLY old Oct 22 13:47:52 no sorry, mid-stream topic-change :) downloading ssh.apk now, and did you see the itunes security prompt? Oct 22 13:48:18 yea, and i mentioned that i repacked that apk too Oct 22 13:48:29 Disconnect: there is no "valid" ssh apk Oct 22 13:48:34 * umdk1d3 uploads to google code now Oct 22 13:49:10 Disconnect: http://code.google.com/p/connectbot/downloads/list Oct 22 13:49:23 yah i see it now. doh. maybe it should be 'featured' :) Oct 22 13:50:40 anyone have any idea why the android simulator crashes on my (old, core-duo, 32-bit-only MacMini), but works fine on my MacBook Air? Oct 22 13:50:50 they're pretty identically configured Oct 22 13:51:06 maybe your mac mini hates you Oct 22 13:51:14 I get the window for w ashort while, and then poof, it goes away with a core dump Oct 22 13:51:21 Dougie187: it does seem like that Oct 22 13:51:32 loke: try to run it with strace Oct 22 13:52:14 there is no strace on OSX, but I could do something similar with dtrace I suppose... Oct 22 13:52:20 umdk1d3: i love the logo btw Oct 22 13:52:45 Disconnect: the ssh one? lol i didnt make it Oct 22 13:52:52 kenny did i think Oct 22 13:52:57 anywho Oct 22 13:53:01 NOW you see why i hate app sites Oct 22 13:53:16 im NOT going to go update and-app-bazarr.com or whatever Oct 22 13:53:21 umdk1d3: the ssk.apk is 'featured' on the connectbot google code page.... Oct 22 13:53:32 Disconnect: that shoul dbe fixed now Oct 22 13:53:34 and random side note, the new one ran me through legal->hints->legal->hints->sites Oct 22 13:53:45 orly? >:/ Oct 22 13:54:01 it didnt do that on this G1, even after fresh install Oct 22 13:54:34 might have hit vol keys, was in landscape and those keys sit right where the phone rests on my left hand Oct 22 13:54:48 hmm that shouldnt have cause it Oct 22 13:55:23 'trying to authenticate' ... it got the server key successfully.. but now its hanging again. Oct 22 13:55:32 wait a few seconds Oct 22 13:55:32 hmm Oct 22 13:55:43 thats when they are doing the handshake behind the scenes Oct 22 13:55:58 Disconnect: your using a bsd host> Oct 22 13:55:59 ? Oct 22 13:56:19 I have a thread dump from the crash... Oct 22 13:56:19 http://sial.org/pbot/32782 Oct 22 13:56:50 hmm Oct 22 13:57:07 audio initialisation? Oct 22 13:57:37 Disconnect: ouch its hanging on my gentoo box Oct 22 13:57:42 but its fine on debian openssh Oct 22 13:57:44 :/ Oct 22 13:57:50 * umdk1d3 doesnt have time to debug right now Oct 22 13:58:18 can't seem to delete hosts on connectbot Oct 22 13:58:38 zhobbs: longpress? Oct 22 13:58:56 ohwait lol Oct 22 13:59:12 looool it doesnt work Oct 22 13:59:13 haha Oct 22 13:59:22 zhobbs: thanks ^.^ Oct 22 14:00:19 yea lol its still just stubbed Oct 22 14:00:27 same with disconnect Oct 22 14:02:01 yeah, I don't see onContextItemSelected implemented Oct 22 14:02:35 its there Oct 22 14:02:42 but there is a stub for two of the entries Oct 22 14:03:41 zhobbs: svn should be updated with fix /me checks Oct 22 14:03:46 in HostList.java? Oct 22 14:03:52 yep Oct 22 14:03:54 its at the bottom Oct 22 14:04:04 ohlol im doing it slightly differently Oct 22 14:04:09 not using Selected Oct 22 14:04:30 Oh, I see...you're doing it with listeners.... Oct 22 14:04:45 I've been doing onContextItemSelected() Oct 22 14:04:50 less efficient i know, but simpler for coding Oct 22 14:05:00 umdk1d3: no, I think I like your way better Oct 22 14:05:16 doh forgot to refresh cursor /me runs back to code Oct 22 14:07:11 yay fixed and in svn Oct 22 14:07:15 * umdk1d3 goes to rebuild public apk Oct 22 14:08:39 umdk1d3: sorry was afk. and its a deb box :) Oct 22 14:08:51 hmm :/ Oct 22 14:08:57 * umdk1d3 checks versionstring Oct 22 14:08:58 coworker wanted to see it Oct 22 14:09:30 debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9 Oct 22 14:09:37 thats the server im connecting to Oct 22 14:09:41 * umdk1d3 apt-get upgrades now lol Oct 22 14:10:16 is delete host supposed to work? Oct 22 14:10:37 * Disconnect may be weird in that ssh (and terminal) are the 'killer apps' for a cellphone .. :) Oct 22 14:10:56 Okay, once I built android, how do I test the built code? Oct 22 14:11:14 Disconnect: that was broken, but i just fixed it--new apk featured now Oct 22 14:11:46 cool Oct 22 14:12:24 Disconnect: you dev much? Oct 22 14:13:04 used to, starting again for android. spent 10 years as a pro dev, mostly C (middleware, etc. some cool systems) and then shifted into admin work. Oct 22 14:13:07 wishes someone had told him Tmobile stores open at 8am :( Oct 22 14:13:10 lol Oct 22 14:13:18 unix_lappy: tmobile stores open at 8am Oct 22 14:13:23 :P Oct 22 14:13:41 unix_lappy: which timezone are you in? Oct 22 14:13:59 -6 Oct 22 14:14:16 central? Oct 22 14:14:19 so what's with this RTSP on android? Oct 22 14:14:22 so its 9 there? Oct 22 14:14:31 mhm. Oct 22 14:14:40 well you better get a move on. Oct 22 14:14:53 meh Oct 22 14:15:02 you're gonna miss all the g1's. Oct 22 14:15:05 they are gonna fly.... Oct 22 14:15:05 random side note, is youtube-android broken for anyone else? Oct 22 14:15:09 (i bet you will be fine) Oct 22 14:15:26 michaelnovakjr: rtsp works on the device, but not the emulator Oct 22 14:15:29 someone here was saying that their friendly store manager suggested 630 lineup to pick colors, 7 to get whatever's available Oct 22 14:15:41 zhobbs: does the mediaplayer have access to it? Oct 22 14:16:10 holy crap im starving /me goes to find brekkie Oct 22 14:16:22 michaelnovakjr: media player can play rtsp on the device Oct 22 14:16:34 neat Oct 22 14:16:37 something to do with UDP forwarding not being supported on the emulator Oct 22 14:17:18 umdk1d3: connectbot is working now, great app, I'll be using it I'm sure Oct 22 14:17:51 umdk1d3: can i beg you to at least rename the apk with these minor-minor-re-releases? :) 100r1 100r2 or something.. Oct 22 14:18:48 Disconnect: i hardly doubt that'll be the case here. but if it ends up being like that I'd rather just wait. Oct 22 14:19:06 g1 is home :) Oct 22 14:19:22 are you in love with it? Oct 22 14:19:56 Best Phone i had Oct 22 14:20:04 have* Oct 22 14:20:32 thats good. Oct 22 14:20:41 How's the call quality on it? Oct 22 14:20:48 i haven't really read any reviews on that yet. Oct 22 14:20:51 umdk1d3: delete works, auth still hangs. and it gives the new-key warning every time - thats kinda bad since its expected that cellphones may be used in hostile environments (unless its been fixed in this latest rev) Oct 22 14:21:00 or at least, i don't remember anything talking about that Oct 22 14:21:07 Crystal Clear on 3g Oct 22 14:21:08 Dougie187: sounds ok on this end and the wif said it was crisp and clear on her end Oct 22 14:21:11 on non-3g Oct 22 14:21:19 well thats cool Oct 22 14:22:06 and don't forget HAPPY INTERNATIONAL CAPSLOCK DAY. WWW.CAPSLOCKDAY.COM Oct 22 14:22:20 Have to find an IRC client for it now ;) Oct 22 14:23:07 umdk1d3: ah. it prompts, but you have to hit enter to see it. delayed update somewhere. Oct 22 14:23:10 lol write in Ron Paul? Oct 22 14:31:52 well that was stressful. got to the store @ 7:30, 9 people in line before me, opened @ 8am, i got out at 9:15 and was 45 min late to work :] Oct 22 14:32:09 haven't even opened the box yet Oct 22 14:32:29 so the store experience wasn't too quick, huh? Oct 22 14:32:34 screen Oct 22 14:32:48 an hour isn't bad Oct 22 14:32:54 those people are sllloooww Oct 22 14:33:33 CAPS LOCK DAY YAY OMGBBQ =D Oct 22 14:33:38 Hi Oct 22 14:33:59 they had 3 agents processing people Oct 22 14:36:37 I'm about to pick up one of those g1 devices Oct 22 14:36:44 hope it works out well! Oct 22 14:36:45 :) Oct 22 14:37:00 Death_Syn: good luck Oct 22 14:37:05 thanks Oct 22 14:37:21 http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/10/t-mobile-stor-1.html Oct 22 14:37:23 jasta should be getting his soon. Oct 22 14:38:33 Can anyone report whether they had to pay anything up front? Oct 22 14:38:36 g1 doesn't allow for bt file sending/browsing? unpleasant. Oct 22 14:38:50 I'm trying to figure out if I need any money when I go (i have great credit) Oct 22 14:39:01 yakischloba: don't you have to pay for the phone + activation? Oct 22 14:39:04 thats what it says online. Oct 22 14:39:08 oh, ok Oct 22 14:39:11 I couldn't find anything about it Oct 22 14:39:21 if you go to their site you can order it online Oct 22 14:39:26 umdk1d3: and i still can't get logged in. does it have an issue with modifiers in passwords? (caps, punctuation...) even leaving aside the late-prompting-ness of the one server Oct 22 14:39:38 it says "Pay today - 180 + 35, Pay monthly (plan price)" Oct 22 14:39:48 cool, thanks Oct 22 14:39:51 np Oct 22 14:40:40 * yakischloba checks his current plan to see how many minutes he uses Oct 22 14:41:11 you have to pay for the handset up front Oct 22 14:41:23 they do a credit check. you don't pay for the plan until the first billing cycle Oct 22 14:41:27 gotcha Oct 22 14:42:04 wastrel: + activation right? Oct 22 14:42:10 or do they waive activation in store? Oct 22 14:42:15 well I suppose I should be doing the ~$180 or whatever, with the 2 year contract. I assume the contract costs roughly the difference between that and the non-contract purchase, to break Oct 22 14:42:30 well.. Oct 22 14:42:34 non-contract = 400 Oct 22 14:42:41 contract is like 55/month Oct 22 14:42:42 Dougie187: i don't recall i'll have to check my papers Oct 22 14:42:50 was in a hurry... "just give me the thing" Oct 22 14:42:56 contract is $55? Oct 22 14:42:57 wastrel: did you pay ~180? or ~210? Oct 22 14:43:05 summatusmentis: i think the cheapest one is. Oct 22 14:43:10 online thats how much it says Oct 22 14:43:33 29.99 for 300 minutes + 25 for G1 Data w/ 400 sms. Oct 22 14:43:45 $180 + tax Oct 22 14:43:48 Dougie187: I meant the termination fee to get out of the contract Oct 22 14:43:52 which was $15 Oct 22 14:43:58 wastrel: cool, no activation then. Oct 22 14:44:04 yakischloba: how much is the ets? Oct 22 14:44:07 err.. etf Oct 22 14:44:14 do you have to activate the phone? Oct 22 14:44:19 ~$150 Oct 22 14:44:33 i would guess so Oct 22 14:44:36 michaelnovakjr: if you buy it instore don't they do it for you? Oct 22 14:44:40 also: apparently i have good credit Oct 22 14:44:44 Dougie187: oh, the 400 sms is what confused me. I was unaware there were two difference price plans Oct 22 14:44:59 summatusmentis: yeah, there is 25 for 400 sms, and 30 for unlimited sms Oct 22 14:45:08 $35 isn't it? Oct 22 14:45:11 looks like 35 Oct 22 14:45:12 but if you have unlimited data and free im... Oct 22 14:45:16 oh. 35. Oct 22 14:45:21 i didn't look at that one too closely. Oct 22 14:46:30 Dougie187: that assumes all your friends also have IM Oct 22 14:46:38 which mine don't Oct 22 14:46:46 true, but you can also go to the website and text people from. Oct 22 14:46:48 from that. Oct 22 14:46:54 or have people text to your email address. Oct 22 14:46:57 and then email to their phone. Oct 22 14:47:01 don't you get charged for incoming? Oct 22 14:47:07 yes Oct 22 14:47:13 yeah, but not if they text to your email address. Oct 22 14:47:18 I turned email notifications off.... Oct 22 14:47:19 right Oct 22 14:47:22 and with push gmail you'd probably get it faster. Oct 22 14:47:28 I don't want to be bothered with email when I'm not working Oct 22 14:47:48 I don't know, 10/mo more for unlimited sms is pretty good Oct 22 14:48:07 yeah, I've been texting a lot lately Oct 22 14:48:07 " Oct 22 14:48:09 Includes unlimited Web access and 400 domestic text, picture, e-mail, or instant messages. " Oct 22 14:48:12 yeah, it all depends if you use it or not Oct 22 14:48:18 it looks like IM counts as an sms Oct 22 14:48:23 im just giving alternatives to paying for texts. Oct 22 14:48:32 that sucks. Oct 22 14:48:36 my alternative is sprint, right now :) Oct 22 14:48:38 400 email? Oct 22 14:48:42 summatusmentis: mine too.. Oct 22 14:48:48 good ol' sero plan. Oct 22 14:48:49 Dougie187: are you switching? Oct 22 14:48:51 summatusmentis: what?? IM can't count as an SMS? Oct 22 14:48:52 nope. Oct 22 14:49:09 Dougie187: waiting out a Sprint Android device? SERO is too good for me to leave Oct 22 14:49:17 zhobbs: that's what it looks like, but I may be wrong Oct 22 14:49:18 summatusmentis: same here. Oct 22 14:49:42 summatusmentis: strange...I bet they are free with Maverick Oct 22 14:49:43 good, now I don't feel as bad :) Oct 22 14:49:49 zhobbs: Maverick? Oct 22 14:49:56 summatusmentis: i don't want to drop my sero plan for tmobile. Oct 22 14:49:56 i am skeptical about this email business Oct 22 14:50:09 4000 text messages unlimited data - $25, unlimited / unlimited - $35 Oct 22 14:50:11 wastrel: what email business? Oct 22 14:50:16 Dougie187: me neither, particularly since gsm doesn't work well for me here Oct 22 14:50:19 summatusmentis: a Gtalk IM app on the Android Market Oct 22 14:50:26 zhobbs: oh Oct 22 14:50:26 Disconnect: cool thanks for the feedback. ill get those issues resolved before i put it on market, probably by later today Oct 22 14:50:36 10:48 < summatusmentis> Includes unlimited Web access and 400 domestic text, picture, e-mail, or instant Oct 22 14:50:39 umdk1d3: lemme know, i'm always up for testing. Oct 22 14:50:40 messages. " Oct 22 14:51:17 wastrel: are we talking about the T-Mobile $25 data plan for the G1? Oct 22 14:51:19 zhobbs: it says "G1 data Get unlimited Web access, bundled with any 400 domestic messages. Includes unlimited Web access and 400 domestic text, picture, e-mail, or instant messages." Oct 22 14:51:28 thats the $25 one Oct 22 14:51:52 that sucks. Oct 22 14:51:59 unlimited web access but only 400 emails? Oct 22 14:52:05 and ims? Oct 22 14:52:32 kslater: we should ask summatusmentis :] Oct 22 14:52:44 wastrel: I don't actually know, that's just what it says on the tmob site Oct 22 14:52:55 wastrel: its the $25 one. Oct 22 14:52:56 what??? that's bullshit...they can't count SMTP/IMAP emails from the Email app Oct 22 14:53:03 wow, I thought it was 4000, not 400 Oct 22 14:53:07 400 is useless Oct 22 14:53:12 don't get spammed :] Oct 22 14:53:14 I mean, I don't think the email app is reporting those numbers Oct 22 14:53:16 especially if gtalk counts Oct 22 14:53:26 totally. Oct 22 14:53:34 it can't count over wifi Oct 22 14:53:46 I was wondering about that too. I hope they didn't meter the email app; my guess is the built-in IM client is metered. Oct 22 14:53:48 you wouldn't think Oct 22 14:53:57 what is the battery life suppose to be on this thing? Oct 22 14:53:59 why don't you check, we have the source. Oct 22 14:54:02 terrrible Oct 22 14:54:04 lol Oct 22 14:54:05 Dougie187: exactly Oct 22 14:54:14 it was 100% at 7am and now its down to 63% Oct 22 14:54:21 Poohba: reviewers were saying it would get through the day with light use Oct 22 14:54:22 seems to drain pretty quick from my calcs Oct 22 14:54:33 Dougie187: haha, yeah. I just did that to find out how to insert a GSM pause in my phone #'s Oct 22 14:54:42 heh Oct 22 14:54:57 mine too Oct 22 14:55:05 Poohba: battery barely lasts a full day for me Oct 22 14:55:07 laz:lol 400 messages means 400 sms text messages. Oct 22 14:55:30 jbronn: im is handled by sms except for gtalk Oct 22 14:55:31 Dougie187: they didnt have the 39 dollar voice plan as a minimum? Oct 22 14:55:32 my Dash lasted all day with same use... this thing may be going back Oct 22 14:55:49 unix_lappy: the minimum one is 29 Oct 22 14:55:50 and yah my battery is going unpleasantly low unpleasantly quickly. but thats likely a sw issue Oct 22 14:55:52 And what is up with the pocket protector for a case? Oct 22 14:56:05 unix_lappy: their site says 400 messages includes texts, emails, and im's Oct 22 14:56:16 i still haven't opened the box :] when i have a free minute @ work :] Oct 22 14:56:26 Dougie187: URL? Oct 22 14:56:34 one sec Oct 22 14:56:48 http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/addons/services/default.aspx Oct 22 14:56:49 is there a way to make one sound for txt and one for email? Oct 22 14:56:57 ionno if it will work for you.. Oct 22 14:57:12 but just add the g1 to your cart and pick a random plan. then in the addons it lists the two data plans Oct 22 14:57:37 Dougie187: nope, doesnt work. Oct 22 14:57:37 Poohba: check out the users manual Oct 22 14:57:53 left it at home. :( maybe its online Oct 22 14:58:07 unix_lappy: it says "T-Mobile G1 Unlimited Web + 400 Messages Get unlimited Web access, bundled with any 400 domestic messages. Includes unlimited Web access and 400 domestic text, picture, e-mail, or instant messages. " Oct 22 14:58:24 I'm pretty sure wen they equate messages with email they mean some kind of proprietary text -> email messages. Oct 22 14:58:45 well, not proprietary, but yea...i'd wager that's what it means. Oct 22 14:58:49 that would make sense Oct 22 14:58:54 the email to txt gateways Oct 22 14:59:01 ahh, like 212555555@t-mobile.com Oct 22 14:59:23 yea, no way they could regulate packets efficiently enough to bill on it. Oct 22 14:59:33 Poohba: I have pdf's of both manuals, if you PM me with details I'll send them to you Oct 22 14:59:48 unix_lappy: check out the source and let us know. heh Oct 22 15:01:02 just a heads up that the IM app uses a proprietary/internal tmobile gateway, so they /can/ count msn/aim messages aginst you Oct 22 15:01:29 *as reported by someone else Oct 22 15:01:30 i bet the email app does a similar thing. Oct 22 15:02:29 all the more reason to get the $35 data plan i guess. Oct 22 15:02:41 i could go through 400 IM's in a day. Oct 22 15:02:42 exactly Oct 22 15:02:43 that's how they get ya Oct 22 15:02:45 or get a different IM app Oct 22 15:02:47 of course, that is what they want you to get Oct 22 15:02:49 unless you really just don't do messaging Oct 22 15:03:03 umdk1d3: and email app. Oct 22 15:03:32 they probably count at the gateway :) Oct 22 15:03:36 not on the app side Oct 22 15:03:45 no, but hes saying the app uses a gateway. Oct 22 15:03:47 that would just be stupid of them Oct 22 15:03:54 so you could write a different app that doesn't use that gateway. Oct 22 15:04:11 maybe, but don't forget who controls the network :) Oct 22 15:04:17 i wonder, does anyone know if tmobile summarizes data usage on their bills? or did they learn from at+ts 70-page iphone bills? Oct 22 15:04:38 true, but if you aren't using their im gateway it would be harder for them to track your im's. Oct 22 15:04:41 and your emails. Oct 22 15:04:49 well, if they encrypted tunnels, then whoever controls the keys controls that network stream :) Oct 22 15:05:02 YEEEEEEEEEEEEHA Oct 22 15:05:06 got it Oct 22 15:05:13 plusminus_: you got contract free right? Oct 22 15:05:14 =D Oct 22 15:05:25 ? Oct 22 15:05:32 where do you know Oct 22 15:05:42 plusminus_: ... how much did you pay? 180 or 400? Oct 22 15:05:52 400 Oct 22 15:05:57 then you're contract free. Oct 22 15:06:18 didn't matter, because I would have to skip the 2y contract when I'm leaving in 5 months Oct 22 15:06:33 was it difficult to get it contract free? Oct 22 15:06:34 plusminus_: did they sell you a plan then? Oct 22 15:06:46 like, you have to stay with tmobile for 3 months, or did they unlock it in front of you? Oct 22 15:07:05 umdk1d3: i don't think they ever unlock it for you. Oct 22 15:07:27 umdk1d3: at least from the things i read... it sounded like they don't want you to unlock it for 90 days, but after that you can if you want. Oct 22 15:07:34 umdk1d3: there's a summary bill and you can pay for a detailed bill. you can check details online for free Oct 22 15:07:41 i got flexpay Oct 22 15:07:45 with unlimited data Oct 22 15:07:47 yeah, so its month to month. Oct 22 15:07:52 plusminus_: did you end up buying the 30 or 40 dollar / mo voice plan? Oct 22 15:07:56 wastrel: ah cool Oct 22 15:07:56 yep Oct 22 15:08:06 unix_lappy: iI got the cheapest one Oct 22 15:08:09 which is 30 Oct 22 15:08:13 flexpay? Oct 22 15:08:13 or 29 sth Oct 22 15:08:49 29,99 voice and 34,99 data+msg Oct 22 15:09:13 someone should port pidgin to the G1 Oct 22 15:09:15 I managed to crash the startup-app where you have to pick your google-account xD Oct 22 15:09:23 nice Oct 22 15:09:40 but worked on the second try Oct 22 15:09:42 which app tp try first ?? Oct 22 15:10:12 HA I'll try one of my own :P Oct 22 15:10:50 My buddy got me a $130 a month plan. I hope I can get out of it. Oct 22 15:10:56 pidgin is terrible Oct 22 15:11:03 crashes constant;y Oct 22 15:11:03 but I did get a phone. :-) Oct 22 15:11:05 ly Oct 22 15:11:05 Someone contacted customer service, who told them that email via gmail, yahoo, etc. doesn't get charged like txt msgs: http://tinyurl.com/5rvtkt. Oct 22 15:11:09 dmoffett: wtf 130 :D Oct 22 15:11:10 michaelnovakjr: better then paying per im Oct 22 15:11:12 I wish there was a dev phone option available Oct 22 15:11:22 michaelnovakjr: and it's never crashed on me. Oct 22 15:11:23 stupid question but I figure someone here will have a quick answer Oct 22 15:11:32 i just wanna put a logo on a view Oct 22 15:11:34 Dev phone option? Oct 22 15:11:35 T-Mo should send me a Christmas card. Oct 22 15:11:40 xml? Oct 22 15:11:44 Dougie187: there's no other IM app written? Oct 22 15:12:01 michaelnovakjr: ionno. but im just saying. if there isn't someone should port pidgin. Oct 22 15:12:02 coonsta: so we could buy a phone to use for development/play, but not buy it through a provider Oct 22 15:12:12 Ah, agreed. Oct 22 15:12:18 whee. 'debug mode' rebooted my phone. Oct 22 15:12:22 Question, after compiling the source code, how do you load the emulator? Where is it located? Oct 22 15:12:52 hmm. still waiting on it but thanks! Oct 22 15:13:05 Copy-Paste works fine :) Oct 22 15:13:20 Terdhex: afaik they are two disjoint things. emulator is part of SDK, not source code. Oct 22 15:13:22 Edge works on about 20Kb/s Oct 22 15:13:41 Dougie187, right. I meant the new image Oct 22 15:14:00 Terdhex: but i don't have the source. so i couldn't tell you if you can replace the image the emulator uses. Oct 22 15:14:08 mpardo: You can't just make an ImageView a child of your View, and configure the ImageView to display the logo? Oct 22 15:14:36 wtf I tried to install a simple game (Sudoku) and it says it would replace another app... Oct 22 15:14:44 k Oct 22 15:14:57 it says it wants to do EVERYTHING with my G1... Oct 22 15:15:16 is the market open yet? Oct 22 15:15:28 i haven't heard anything about that in a couple days. Oct 22 15:15:31 you can replace the image.. however, I noticed there is a section on the source for QEMU, it looks like the emulator itself.. Oct 22 15:15:43 if anyone is interested I compiled it successfully using the openjdk rather than sun-java Oct 22 15:15:50 can non-market apps be installed at all? Oct 22 15:15:59 plusminus_: any reason you opted for the 30 w/ 350 minutes instead of the 40 w/ 600 minutes Oct 22 15:16:07 I compiled successfully (I think) using sun-java Oct 22 15:17:27 unix_lappy: the reason is because I do not use voice a lot Oct 22 15:17:31 maybe 10 min/month Oct 22 15:17:57 (because I have not many phone-contacts here in the US and foreign calls are not included) Oct 22 15:20:00 plusminus_: how long are you in the us for? Oct 22 15:20:01 meh, we have 20 days to return and cancel contract anyway :-P Oct 22 15:20:18 5 months Oct 22 15:20:27 got it. thanks Oct 22 15:20:28 5 months left? or 5 months total? Oct 22 15:21:38 left Oct 22 15:21:46 14 days to return Oct 22 15:21:53 unless you live in cali Oct 22 15:22:17 plusminus_: why are you here for so long? Oct 22 15:22:23 internship Oct 22 15:22:53 thats cool Oct 22 15:22:57 is the internship fun? Oct 22 15:23:10 project sucks Oct 22 15:24:27 mh, do we need to turn on GPS manually ? Oct 22 15:24:45 plusminus_: in settings yea Oct 22 15:24:50 plusminus_: you got you G1? Oct 22 15:24:55 your* Oct 22 15:24:58 ahh, yea 14 days. Oct 22 15:25:06 yes Oct 22 15:25:12 plusminus_: lucky :( Oct 22 15:25:14 :) * Oct 22 15:26:15 :) Oct 22 15:26:56 has anybody seen any commercials from tmo about the g1? Oct 22 15:27:14 I've seen the "er" commercial online, but not on tv Oct 22 15:27:41 I love the unlock-pattern stuff :) Oct 22 15:27:50 tethridge: not seen anything on HK or UK TV for G1 or anything to do with Android Oct 22 15:28:08 plusminus_, remember to wipe it down Oct 22 15:28:44 wipe ? Oct 22 15:29:02 greasy fingers will give your passcode away Oct 22 15:29:10 ^^ yeah Oct 22 15:29:35 anyone know how to connect as a privileged user using adb to the G1? I get `permission denied` on a lot of dirs and have a `$` prompt, unlike the emu. Oct 22 15:30:09 damn, no ICQ-IM :( Oct 22 15:31:19 plusminus_: doesnt aim work for icq? Oct 22 15:32:03 well, is there no android-market website? Oct 22 15:32:08 umdk1d3: got anything for me to test? :) Oct 22 15:32:49 anyone know how the g1 plan and the family plans interact? Oct 22 15:33:28 Disconnect: try to order it online. Oct 22 15:33:35 That should help you out. Oct 22 15:33:46 i did order online Oct 22 15:34:03 anyone had luck finidng the UK price plans for G1? All i can find is talk of a '40 pounds all in' plan for free device Oct 22 15:34:05 preordered in fact Oct 22 15:39:12 Disconnect: getting there ;) debugging piles of other stuff atm tho Oct 22 15:39:17 no worries. Oct 22 15:39:33 http://git.source.android.com/?p=platform/bootloader/legacy.git;a=blob;f=fastboot_protocol.txt;h=2248992d26d5077a28d803e32057f83abb315d21;hb=HEAD Oct 22 15:39:39 :)) Oct 22 15:39:43 @ actual-work i just discovered that the "maybe fix locked up vm" fix i made causes it to die within a couple mins instead of hours. Oct 22 15:39:44 :( Oct 22 15:40:30 I wonder, so, since the source has been released, would it be possible to run native binaries on G1? Oct 22 15:41:03 source != usable image. Oct 22 15:41:04 it has been Oct 22 15:41:09 possible Oct 22 15:41:16 you just don't get any real graphical interaction :P Oct 22 15:41:20 but you can run them from the shell! Oct 22 15:41:54 unix_lappy: fastboot allows to boot an other image Oct 22 15:42:10 anyone want to add the "can't build g1 images" note to either known-issues webpage or to the topic? Oct 22 15:42:34 Has anyone got MediaPlayer to actually play a video? I am getting a SIGSEGV on libmedia.so Oct 22 15:42:36 the g1 supports memory cards or no? Oct 22 15:42:39 agreed, that should probably be put in topic Oct 22 15:42:42 xorl: yes Oct 22 15:42:48 micro sd? Oct 22 15:42:52 and random side note, 2g microsd for $4 each @ woot.com ($5 flat-rate shipping for up to 3 of them) but its a wootoff, so it won't last more than a few mins. Oct 22 15:42:58 but they fit the g1 Oct 22 15:43:07 Disconnect: I just bought 3 lol Oct 22 15:43:11 heh Oct 22 15:43:16 that's why I asked Oct 22 15:43:17 haha Oct 22 15:43:17 are they the right microsd class? Oct 22 15:43:18 * Disconnect has a 4g and is gonna get a 16 later, so.. Oct 22 15:43:21 browsing is fine :) http://www.anddev.org/g1_in_my_hands-t3232.html Oct 22 15:43:29 http://s3.amazonaws.com/wootsaleimages/Kingston_2GB_Micro_SD_Card_with_Adaptera75Detail.jpg Oct 22 15:43:43 umdk1d3: what should be in the topic? Oct 22 15:43:47 umdk1d3: not anymore. now they're the "sold out" class :) Oct 22 15:43:56 umdk1d3: any class card will work in the G1 Oct 22 15:44:13 yeah at least my order went through Oct 22 15:44:23 does anoyne know of a document explaining the graphics arch? Oct 22 15:44:43 topeira: anddev.org has graphics related things on their forum that should cover it Oct 22 15:45:10 xorl: thanks Oct 22 15:45:38 SanMehat: ah good to know Oct 22 15:45:46 Disconnect: hah i'm amazed my order went through Oct 22 15:45:54 umdk1d3: they just not be very *fast* :) Oct 22 15:46:11 unix_lappy: that users cant deploy custom OS builds onto their newly-acquired G1s (afaik) Oct 22 15:46:13 can't apps be downloaded via EDGE ?? Oct 22 15:46:18 I mean from the market Oct 22 15:46:23 plusminus_: they can Oct 22 15:46:25 plusminus_: yup Oct 22 15:46:41 i should have just gone in the store and gotten my G1 :( Oct 22 15:46:47 Now I won't get it till the 10th :( Oct 22 15:46:56 Says "Starting download..." for really long now... Oct 22 15:47:28 romainguy: can apps already be installed properly from the browser ? Oct 22 15:47:29 android supports .wav audio files? Oct 22 15:47:33 plusminus_: yes Oct 22 15:47:51 they should appear in the menu, right? Oct 22 15:49:26 xorl: go to teh store, and if you get one tell them to cancel the order. no worries. Oct 22 15:49:40 damn thats neat in the youtube-app further videos get loaded when you scroll to the end of the search-list Oct 22 15:49:41 I think I can wait lol Oct 22 15:50:19 Woot wont deliver to UK :( sucks Oct 22 15:50:31 * umdk1d3 is rolling duct tape over all sorts of bugs Oct 22 15:50:39 Theres a wootoff today? noone told me! Oct 22 15:50:49 just watching a youtube-video... Oct 22 15:50:50 you weren't around Oct 22 15:50:55 romainguy: do you know when we will see the G1 in france? Oct 22 15:51:05 loads about 2x speed than it can be watched on EDGE Oct 22 15:51:05 summatusmentis: there sure is, i been watching it for hours, even though i cant order anything >< Oct 22 15:51:05 plusminus_: over WiFi you can get HD videos on YouTube Oct 22 15:51:08 nizox: no idea Oct 22 15:51:09 Disconnect: I checked it last night, and was like "wow, that sold fast" Oct 22 15:51:19 :( Oct 22 15:51:25 romainguy: yes I was awaitign that :) Oct 22 15:51:32 lol Oct 22 15:51:38 sound is good imo Oct 22 15:51:39 anyone know the UK price plans for the G1? Oct 22 15:52:17 i saw the ceiling speaker this morning and thought "wow, crappy, not again".. then realized it was a wootoff about 2 items later Oct 22 15:52:30 except for sound mywoot.net works on g1 :) Oct 22 15:52:34 sound requires flash :( Oct 22 15:52:45 Disconnect: yeah there has been some serious crap, as per usual for woot-off Oct 22 15:53:23 does mywoot.net check on it's own? Oct 22 15:53:23 can you put an image in a toast? Oct 22 15:54:17 hi Oct 22 15:54:50 finally had a second to unbox. did we reach consensus about fully charging the battery before using the phone? Oct 22 15:54:57 has anyone seen this error while trying to make android source: collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Oct 22 15:54:58 make: *** [out/target/product/generic/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libwebcore_intermediates/LINKED/libwebcore.so] Error 1 Oct 22 15:56:50 AHA i found an infinite loop =D Oct 22 15:56:51 * umdk1d3 fixes Oct 22 15:57:12 Does anyone know how I can add checkboxes to a BaseAdapter ListView? Oct 22 15:57:32 summatusmentis: yah it just refreshes magically Oct 22 15:57:33 You mean checkboxes to individual list items? Oct 22 15:57:38 Yes. Oct 22 15:57:57 Disconnect: :) I also setit up so my phone gets a text when there's a new item Oct 22 15:57:58 Look for setChoiceMode on ListView Oct 22 15:58:21 Anybody know how to add toggle buttons to the menu using XML? Oct 22 15:58:47 I've set that to ListView.CHOICE_MODE_MUTLIPLE, which makes them choosable but it doesn't actually add the image. Oct 22 15:59:35 The example in the API Demos passes android.R.layout.simple_list_item_multiple_choice to and ArrayAdapter. Oct 22 15:59:44 But, BaseAdapter don't have the constructor. Oct 22 15:59:46 Look at CheckedTextView Oct 22 15:59:55 BaseAdapters* Oct 22 16:00:17 i don't know if this is where I should bring this up but... Oct 22 16:00:24 Yeah, I'm trying to figure out how to add CheckedTextView to my listview. Oct 22 16:00:50 curl is not installed on ubuntu by default and it is used in the instructions for setting up the repo on the get source page... Oct 22 16:01:02 Because the adapter functionality autmatcially calls a list view with the ID android:list. Oct 22 16:01:27 And places values into it behind the scenes. Oct 22 16:01:48 But, I don't know how to control the TextView it uses for each list element. Oct 22 16:01:59 (I'm assuming that's how it works." Oct 22 16:02:01 You'll need a list adapter for that Oct 22 16:02:02 ) Oct 22 16:02:21 d4v3y0rk: Ugh. Sorry about that. wget isn't installed by default on the Mac. Oct 22 16:02:28 Gotcha. Oct 22 16:02:31 I thought curl was in base. Oct 22 16:03:17 That answers my question. Thanks a bunch. I actually have the adapter. I forgot the the adapter sets the view. Oct 22 16:03:27 i am using ubuntu 8.04 and i had to apt-get install curl to accomplish the repo install Oct 22 16:03:30 Sure thing Oct 22 16:04:13 @d4v3y0rk, did you manage to successfully make android from source? Oct 22 16:04:40 i am waiting for repo sync to finish Oct 22 16:04:41 d4v3y0rk: Fixed, thanks. Oct 22 16:04:59 that was fast Oct 22 16:05:30 =) Oct 22 16:05:47 it puts a big smile on my face to see this project moving like this and to be able to help. even though I have not finished downloading the source yet lol Oct 22 16:06:18 i got the source, but cannot make it :( Oct 22 16:08:49 so, the IM app is intentionally stripped and disabled. ouch :-/ Oct 22 16:09:16 Ramzez what kind of error are you getting when you make Oct 22 16:09:37 steventroughtons: you'll likely see a ton of other IM apps. Oct 22 16:09:56 sure, i'm not worried about the functionality, i'm just sad not to have the source running :) Oct 22 16:10:06 the error is: target SharedLib: libwebcore (out/target/product/generic/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libwebcore_intermediates/LINKED/libwebcore.so) Oct 22 16:10:07 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Oct 22 16:10:07 make: *** [out/target/product/generic/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libwebcore_intermediates/LINKED/libwebcore.so] Error 1 Oct 22 16:10:47 not sure what that means Oct 22 16:11:19 looked through known issues, there was some problem with webkit, but i did what it says on the website and no luck so far Oct 22 16:12:01 fyi looks like OTA update is gonna be pushed out (like it or not) tomorrow Oct 22 16:12:01 ld is a unix linker have you check to make sure the file libwebcore.so exists? Oct 22 16:12:24 the file doesn't exists Oct 22 16:12:52 Disconnect: what update Oct 22 16:12:58 i would go to the root of your .repo and do a "find | grep libweb" Oct 22 16:13:03 ah looks like you can snooze it but not completely abort Oct 22 16:13:09 *grin* Oct 22 16:13:19 http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=87&message.id=3540#M3540 Oct 22 16:14:28 plusminus_: you can get root access on your g1? Oct 22 16:14:51 *damn* Oct 22 16:14:55 forgot my sync cable in the car :) Oct 22 16:14:58 i want to load five on here so bad Oct 22 16:15:04 ah, good, so they don't actually tell you what it does. Oct 22 16:16:04 so Oct 22 16:16:12 battery life on the g1 is fail :( Oct 22 16:16:18 yah so far Oct 22 16:16:22 okay, how is it? Oct 22 16:16:23 hopefully the update will fix that Oct 22 16:16:33 i had it on Oct 22 16:16:37 maybe for 4 hours lastnight Oct 22 16:16:38 and Oct 22 16:16:42 it went form 100% to 2% Oct 22 16:16:45 :/ Oct 22 16:16:57 wow, that's gross Oct 22 16:16:58 fortuantley Oct 22 16:17:02 on mine at least part of it is heavy heavy use. but yah, i wiped 50% of it doing some light web browsing for 20 mins and a game for 30.. Oct 22 16:17:07 ooh food bbl Oct 22 16:17:08 it can take a normal USB plug Oct 22 16:17:32 Is there any methods for improving the GPS? It is completely failing on me Oct 22 16:17:35 btw, does anybody know if Skype is comming to Android? Oct 22 16:17:38 Goosey: Go outside? Oct 22 16:17:41 Goosey, i have the same issue Oct 22 16:18:03 even outside Oct 22 16:18:05 mienis like Oct 22 16:18:06 ? Oct 22 16:18:15 * Goosey wants a USB GPS booster accessory posthaste! Oct 22 16:18:17 this thing is slick :) Oct 22 16:18:20 yes Oct 22 16:18:24 i like it Oct 22 16:18:33 * jasta runs out to his car to get the sync cable Oct 22 16:18:36 i want to see five up on this ;) Oct 22 16:18:42 you can use normal usb Oct 22 16:18:43 ^^ Oct 22 16:19:01 Anybody, will any words on Skype for Android? Oct 22 16:19:21 Handcrafted: there's a skype client in the Market already Oct 22 16:19:24 Handcrafted, nothing that i know of oficcialy but im pretty sure its a given Oct 22 16:19:30 really Oct 22 16:19:40 wow i missed that obne Oct 22 16:19:43 hmm, may try that Oct 22 16:20:07 is there no interface for picasa pictures tho? thats kinda weak :) Oct 22 16:20:19 im pretty sure Oct 22 16:20:28 zhobbs: Great, Then I'll just buy an 3Boost contract and then I'll be surfihng and skyping without any kind of callimng fees Oct 22 16:20:29 in a few months Oct 22 16:20:41 anyoen know Oct 22 16:20:57 if it works of hotspots like blackberrys do? Oct 22 16:21:15 for calls Oct 22 16:21:18 messages etc Oct 22 16:21:23 , how do you increase the size of lines terminal can show history in ubuntu? Oct 22 16:21:44 Ramzez, you using like gterm? Oct 22 16:21:47 has anoyne managed to get opera mini apk working on the device? i get manifest errors when installing via adb Oct 22 16:21:54 (or is there a better way to install?) Oct 22 16:22:05 Interesting, even pulling the Maps.apk and map library, and the gtalk library, from the SDK and pushing them into the compiled image, neither work properly Oct 22 16:22:09 i am getting a build error also Ramzez Oct 22 16:22:10 maps runs, but cant load the tileset Oct 22 16:22:15 complains about jpeg data Oct 22 16:22:36 seems I am missing a file in my out folder too Oct 22 16:22:37 right Oct 22 16:22:59 actually i guess i haven't gotten -any- apks installed successfully that way but that might be the source files Oct 22 16:23:02 trashguy: 4 hours seems like a bit of an embellishment. Oct 22 16:23:23 d4v3y0rk, yeah, not sure what to do next Oct 22 16:23:37 i am working on it Oct 22 16:23:39 hang on Oct 22 16:23:47 Ramzez: Pasting the build error is often a good start. =) Oct 22 16:23:55 Or putting it in a pastebin or something. Oct 22 16:24:11 unix_lappy, im not sure if i understan dthat word lol Oct 22 16:24:41 make: *** [out/host/linux-x86/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libneo_cgi_intermediates/cgi.o] Error 1 Oct 22 16:24:42 <@jbailey> that's the only one i get, i posted it previously Oct 22 16:24:55 trashguy: seems too low, even for the G1 or the iPhone. Oct 22 16:25:02 it sux Oct 22 16:25:04 couldn't see anything else, how can i increatse the buffer in the terminal? Oct 22 16:25:35 unix_lappy, im sure it will be a resolved issue Oct 22 16:25:57 I havent even tried to access the cli on it yet Oct 22 16:26:14 i been putting off messing with android so i could actually get work done lol Oct 22 16:26:16 i think it has something to do with zlib on my end Oct 22 16:26:26 trashguy: ditto, mine is just sitting on my desk charging Oct 22 16:26:29 external/clearsilver/cgi/cgi.c:22:18: error: zlib.h: No such file or directory Oct 22 16:26:30 Work in progress: http://www.anddev.org/viewtopic.php?p=11968#11968 Oct 22 16:26:32 haven't powered it on yet :] Oct 22 16:26:55 i don't remember seeing this problem Oct 22 16:27:10 it is several lines above the final make error Oct 22 16:27:18 in mine Oct 22 16:27:49 plusminus_: for your browser install issue, it seems like you have an early 1.0 build that contained this bug Oct 22 16:27:52 we fixed it since then Oct 22 16:27:58 trashguy: it's not really an issue you can resolve. Oct 22 16:28:00 also, did you enable unknown sources in the settings? Oct 22 16:28:26 , how can i increase the number of lines in terminal, maybe it is way up? Oct 22 16:28:38 unix_lappy, i think it might have something to do with tmobile not having 3g in most of los angeles and it keeps switching to check for the network etc Oct 22 16:28:38 i think I figured it out Oct 22 16:28:41 you on ubuntu? Oct 22 16:28:54 unix_lappy, plus simple things like auto turn the screen off when not being used Oct 22 16:29:00 im on ubuntu Oct 22 16:29:01 yup Oct 22 16:29:30 apt-get install zlib1g-dev zlib-bin zlibc Oct 22 16:29:35 that fixed mine Oct 22 16:29:52 trashguy: in most of LA? that's odd, most of Texas has 3G. Oct 22 16:30:06 Alright... emulator loaded with compiled images Oct 22 16:30:09 unix_lappy, well tmobile is aids here Oct 22 16:30:13 , let me try Oct 22 16:31:29 anyone figure out how to put a diff memory card in, i feel as if im goign to smash it to pieces, i freaked out just putting the battery in Oct 22 16:31:33 romainguy how are automatical system upates triggered? Oct 22 16:31:45 plusminus_: with the network? Oct 22 16:31:54 trashguy: the trapdoor is at the bottom of they keyboard on the left Oct 22 16:31:55 oh when I mean Oct 22 16:32:04 trashguy: aids here? Oct 22 16:32:13 when there's a reason to update :) Oct 22 16:32:35 romainguy, leave it to me to try it with the slide shut Oct 22 16:32:37 hm ok so that reason was not 'big' enough? Oct 22 16:32:59 , if run make again that doesn't help Oct 22 16:33:06 , will try to clean up Oct 22 16:33:11 trashguy: you can but you should open the keyboard first :)) Oct 22 16:33:14 that did not help Oct 22 16:33:19 hmm Oct 22 16:33:31 wow, apparently bunch of people checking 3g coverage. Oct 22 16:33:36 plusminus_: updating phones over the air is not an easy task Oct 22 16:33:39 it costs a lot of bandwidth Oct 22 16:33:42 are you using gnome-terminal or in other words Accessories>Terminal Oct 22 16:33:46 it can take a long time for people to download the update Oct 22 16:33:53 and you always risk bricking Oct 22 16:34:04 how do you set the user-agent string on HttpClient? Oct 22 16:34:06 trashguy: i'm seeing mos tof LA having 3g coverage. Oct 22 16:34:06 sidekicks always did it fine Oct 22 16:34:07 is there a way to install a new trusted CA certficate? (specifically, cacert.org) Oct 22 16:34:08 , accesorries>terminal Oct 22 16:34:20 but we have updates planned Oct 22 16:34:22 or at -least- force the mail app to accept a cert it doesn't like Oct 22 16:34:24 unix_lappy, well in relaity atleast in the northern areas i dont have it Oct 22 16:34:39 Disconnect: you can simply not use SSL Oct 22 16:34:46 romainguy: riiight.. Oct 22 16:34:49 , by the way, do you know how one can debug shared library (.so) while running java activity? Oct 22 16:35:05 * Disconnect hasn't had a device yet that couldn't learn either a new ca cert or (minimum) accept a particular untrusted cert. why start now? Oct 22 16:35:45 romainguy_: and since passwords are hard to remember i'll just change them all to my username, with a 0 at the end... Oct 22 16:35:54 Disconnect: ... Oct 22 16:35:57 its not like cellphones are ever used in hostile environments :) Oct 22 16:36:09 trashguy: south of Laguna is stretching it calling it LA. Oct 22 16:37:02 i am not sure about that Oct 22 16:37:15 hmm Oct 22 16:37:23 you should be able to scroll up in your terminal window and see above the last line Oct 22 16:37:28 unix_lappy, i mean if downtown has it cool, but "LA" is pretty big Oct 22 16:37:31 like on mine i use the mouse scroll Oct 22 16:37:43 don't you have a scrollbar on your gnome-terminal window? Oct 22 16:37:45 is there a terminal on the phone itself? Oct 22 16:37:45 running make again from the start Oct 22 16:38:00 i do :) Oct 22 16:38:13 i am getting another error now Oct 22 16:38:19 which one is that? Oct 22 16:38:30 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Oct 22 16:38:50 make: *** [out/host/linux-x86/obj/EXECUTABLES/adb_intermediates/adb] Error 1 Oct 22 16:39:13 and right before the collect line i have... Oct 22 16:39:15 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lncurses Oct 22 16:39:16 trashguy: under dev tools Oct 22 16:39:22 hmm, i didn't see that one, btw, the scroll bar doesn't go up enough.... Oct 22 16:39:29 oh i see Oct 22 16:39:29 romainguy: hmm, am i missing something obvious here? how do i use adb on this device? Oct 22 16:39:46 jasta: turn on USB debugging in settings > apps Oct 22 16:39:52 i did Oct 22 16:39:54 > development Oct 22 16:40:02 then there you go Oct 22 16:40:06 is the simulator included in this gagantic code base, or is the SDK/Simulator stuff seperate? Oct 22 16:40:16 then when i plugged it in i got usb-storage modules loaded and it gave me /dev/sdb Oct 22 16:40:16 jasta: once usb is on make sure there isn't an emulator running. adb should Just Work at that point Oct 22 16:40:19 oh and disbale usb storage Oct 22 16:40:23 eggy: the emulator is in the codebase Oct 22 16:40:23 which is the sd card Oct 22 16:40:25 Are there any wordeditors for Android? Oct 22 16:40:25 that overrides everything Oct 22 16:40:39 romainguy_, thanks Oct 22 16:40:40 Disconnect: ah ok, thanks Oct 22 16:40:45 ill try that Oct 22 16:40:49 jasta: on Linux you might need to disable USB mass storage Oct 22 16:40:54 on Mac OS X you can have both Oct 22 16:41:01 Ramzez, in gnome-terminal to go the edit menu and click "Current Profile" Oct 22 16:41:08 then in that dialog go to scrolling Oct 22 16:41:11 romainguy_: i didn't have working adb under osx until usb storage was off. Oct 22 16:41:17 mattl, under where i don't see it Oct 22 16:41:18 weird Oct 22 16:41:20 there is a place to edit how many scroll lines you can see back Oct 22 16:41:26 I never had any issue with mass storage on + adb Oct 22 16:41:52 I turn it off usually because it unmounts the SD Card on the device, so your app cna't use it while plugged in Oct 22 16:41:56 is there any official documentation on this? Oct 22 16:41:58 right, that just crashed Oct 22 16:42:09 crashed your terminal? Oct 22 16:42:14 yup Oct 22 16:42:39 so no way to get cacert certs into the g1? :( Oct 22 16:42:57 ok, modified to 9999, starting again Oct 22 16:43:18 i guess doesn't like modifications while running something Oct 22 16:43:39 lol Oct 22 16:43:41 prolly not Oct 22 16:44:16 whats the word on installing modified apps over top of the existing ones? do they need to be magic or is that just for the complete flash image? (assuming email is OS, which I haven't checked) Oct 22 16:44:31 I am getting the following error when building. Anyone seen this? Oct 22 16:44:32 is there a method for dropping to runlevel 1 on the G1 without pulling code from elsewhere? Oct 22 16:44:33 java.lang.NullPointerException Oct 22 16:44:33 at gnu.classpath.tools.gjdoc.FunctionComponent.process(javadoc) Oct 22 16:44:33 at gnu.classpath.tools.gjdoc.Parser.parse(javadoc) Oct 22 16:44:33 at gnu.classpath.tools.gjdoc.ClassComponent.process(javadoc) Oct 22 16:44:33 at gnu.classpath.tools.gjdoc.Parser.parse(javadoc) Oct 22 16:44:34 at gnu.classpath.tools.gjdoc.Parser.processSourceFile(javadoc) Oct 22 16:44:36 at gnu.classpath.tools.gjdoc.RootDocImpl.build(javadoc) Oct 22 16:44:38 at gnu.classpath.tools.gjdoc.Main.startDoclet(javadoc) Oct 22 16:44:40 at gnu.classpath.tools.gjdoc.Main.start(javadoc) Oct 22 16:44:42 Disconnect: it won't work if they have the same package name Oct 22 16:44:42 at gnu.classpath.tools.gjdoc.Main.main(javadoc) Oct 22 16:44:44 make: *** [out/target/common/docs/framework-timestamp] Error 45 Oct 22 16:44:47 yikes Oct 22 16:44:54 Guest13000: use Sun's JDK Oct 22 16:45:01 Guest13000: www.pastebin.com Oct 22 16:45:04 let's see how far i can get now Oct 22 16:45:06 Guest13000, learn to use pastebin.com Oct 22 16:45:26 any way to get a g1 to recognize an ad hoc wifi network? Oct 22 16:45:36 covalentbond: not in 1.0 Oct 22 16:45:44 ugh. ok. Oct 22 16:45:46 is there a method for dropping to runlevel 1 on the G1 without pulling code from elsewhere? Oct 22 16:46:14 languish: you just asked that Oct 22 16:46:31 next question: anyone ported tcpdump to android yet? Oct 22 16:46:31 yeah, sorry. I meant to pate it in another channel Oct 22 16:46:35 *paste Oct 22 16:46:38 here is the error i am getting now http://pastebin.com/m260918eb Oct 22 16:46:45 i thought tcpdump was part of the source? Oct 22 16:47:10 steventroughtons: is it? hmm.... Oct 22 16:47:14 mattl, i cant seem to find it what menu is it under Oct 22 16:47:23 i have all the ncurses packages in the repo installed Oct 22 16:47:34 covalentbond: I coulda sworn it was pulled in with the rest of the repo stuff when I downloaded Oct 22 16:47:47 romainguy_: do you know of any documentation for how to get this setup in linux? it isn't "just working" Oct 22 16:47:54 yes, external/tcpdump Oct 22 16:48:05 trashguy: on the phone, or in the emulator? Oct 22 16:48:26 http://git.source.android.com/?p=platform/external/tcpdump.git;a=summary :) Oct 22 16:48:31 mattl, on the phone Oct 22 16:48:41 trashguy: no idea. ask a googler. Oct 22 16:48:44 ok libncurses5-dev seems to have fixed that error Oct 22 16:49:05 jbailey: how about adding "| no, you can't flash custom images to production G1s" to the topic? Oct 22 16:49:09 Oh oy. I kept reading "On the phone" as in "I'm on the phone, don't talk to me" Oct 22 16:49:13 This is going to confuse me. Oct 22 16:49:18 jbailey: lol Oct 22 16:49:30 jbailey: haha, sorry. Oct 22 16:49:37 Wait, you can make calls on the G1?! Oct 22 16:49:39 jasta: no idea, I don't use Linux Oct 22 16:49:44 andyross: no. Oct 22 16:49:54 Yeah, that would have been too much to ask. Oct 22 16:50:00 andyross, yes its the only thing you can do that doesnt eat battery life at an insane rate Oct 22 16:50:01 andyross: haha Oct 22 16:50:01 lol Oct 22 16:50:04 andyross: Nah, they had to leave that out to save time. I heard it's coming in an update though. Oct 22 16:50:07 Disconnect: Can't is such a strong word. =) Oct 22 16:50:17 jbailey: gonna publish directions? no? ok then :) Oct 22 16:50:27 trashguy, is that because the core dedicated to telephony is clocked lower? Oct 22 16:50:28 ttuttle: sounds like apple and copy/paste, mms ;) Oct 22 16:50:31 steventroughtons: heh Oct 22 16:50:33 when someone hacks it that can be changed to "without violating your warranty" or something Oct 22 16:50:37 but today.... Oct 22 16:50:44 i sthere a terminal program built in to the phone/ Oct 22 16:50:46 jbailey it looks like libncurses5-dev and one of the three zlib packages are needed to complete make on ubuntu Oct 22 16:50:50 , on my machine it has been installed already Oct 22 16:50:58 ok Oct 22 16:50:58 Disconnect: Today is such a long time. =) Oct 22 16:51:20 d4v3y0rk: why are you compiling make? Oct 22 16:51:38 i am not compiling make i am making android Oct 22 16:51:38 Disconnect: It's sort of like people asking on the blog if Android had been ported to the Neo Freerunner less than 4 hours after the source was released. =) Oct 22 16:51:49 ..word yesterday was "hell no not our problem but it might be hackable. and someday we'll sell developer units with the full-featured bootloader" Oct 22 16:51:49 Then someone on the openmoko list announced it late in the day. Oct 22 16:52:09 Disconnect: Eh, I'm just an open source guy here. I don't know anything about final products. Oct 22 16:52:11 is the production bootloader source available? (yes, i understand "source" is likely an ugly mix of C and asm :) ..) Oct 22 16:52:27 Disconnect: probably not Oct 22 16:52:28 Disconnect: Sorry, the bootloader is not available Oct 22 16:52:28 jbailey: should be on the freerunner in a week, i'd say Oct 22 16:52:28 ask HTC Oct 22 16:52:39 Are there a Word editor in the Android Market Oct 22 16:52:59 ..right. so like i said.. the statement is valid "No, you cannot flash custom images to production G1s". :) Oct 22 16:53:08 jbailey: it's been 4 hours! wth is taking so long? Oct 22 16:53:09 google docs should work in the browser right? Oct 22 16:53:16 mattl: Awesome! Oct 22 16:53:47 d4v3y0rk: It didn't on the emulator Oct 22 16:53:48 * Disconnect isn't pushing for the bootloader source, or the keys for signing images, etc etc .. just pointing out that its not possible and the assumption ("look the source is released") is that it is. hence, its a topic-worthy note :) Oct 22 16:54:03 Disconnect "..because the G1 doesn't come with either a flash, Flash, or The Flash" *grin* Oct 22 16:54:09 lol Oct 22 16:54:12 More seriously: is anyone aware of any reverse engineering groups playing with the G1? By this point in the iPhone's life cycle, there was already a blog up with details on the bootloader. Oct 22 16:54:31 reverse engineering? Oct 22 16:54:44 pretty sure you dont have to reverse engineer open source stuff ^^ Oct 22 16:55:01 clearly you've never used perl Oct 22 16:55:01 trashguy: Well, if you want to break the bootloader lock and/or the SIM card lock... Oct 22 16:55:05 trashguy: ok... so explain how to flash a custom image to it :) Oct 22 16:55:16 * ttuttle puts his fingers in his ears and yells "I'M NOT LISTENING" as #android breaks the phone. Oct 22 16:55:27 trashguy: as explained, reflashing a G1 isn't covered by the existing source drop, nor will it be (TMO wouldn't allow it, I'm 100% sure). Oct 22 16:55:29 UNICORNS Oct 22 16:55:37 trashguy: indeed, unicorns! Oct 22 16:55:46 yes Oct 22 16:55:53 they also power the interwebz Oct 22 16:56:30 trashguy: I thought the interwubs were powered by pigeons? Oct 22 16:56:56 andyross: people were much more motivated to hack the iphone, because it was the only way to get third party apps on to the phone. Oct 22 16:57:04 ttuttle, pigeon lack the magix, unicorns and fairy dust Oct 22 16:57:11 trashguy: Oh, good point. Oct 22 16:57:15 marcone: it'll happen. Oct 22 16:57:29 trashguy: Google seems to like them though: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Ftechnology%2Fpigeonrank.html&ei=bVv_SIb3HJy4ecXayIAD&usg=AFQjCNHM5pUGK6TqSj-TGdjISaAq8Pb-gw&sig2=_D_xOBH6Wi4uX81cGvLwjA Oct 22 16:57:51 ha Oct 22 16:57:58 When you lose packets, it's because pigeons get caughyt in teh interwebs Oct 22 16:58:00 Disconnect: sure, but perhaps not quite as fast. Not because it's more secure, but because there's simply less reason for people to do so. Oct 22 16:58:09 ttuttle, what april was that Oct 22 16:58:12 206? Oct 22 16:58:14 2006 Oct 22 16:58:18 2002 Oct 22 16:58:20 nm Oct 22 16:58:20 Miss aprol Oct 22 16:58:23 * trashguy reads Oct 22 16:58:24 damnit Oct 22 16:59:14 so, does anyone have adb over usb working in Debian/Ubuntu? Oct 22 16:59:32 man.. Oct 22 16:59:35 jasta: yeah i can help you out Oct 22 16:59:39 not sure what magic is necessary to make this work Oct 22 16:59:39 jasta: first, do it as root and see if it works Oct 22 16:59:44 pacman STILL isn't in the marketplace Oct 22 16:59:45 if it does, you probably need the udev rules Oct 22 16:59:47 i tried, it still does not Oct 22 16:59:51 wtf google wtf Oct 22 16:59:53 jasta: curious. Oct 22 17:00:04 jasta Oct 22 17:00:07 it still registers itself as a usb mass storage device tho, i wonder if thats the issue Oct 22 17:00:07 jasta: did you turn on USB debugging on the device? Oct 22 17:00:08 let me see if i can get it going Oct 22 17:00:11 i unchecked it not to do that Oct 22 17:00:15 jasta: strace to the adb server PID and tell me what its doing Oct 22 17:00:19 morrildl: yes, under dev settings somewhere. Oct 22 17:00:30 jasta: do a lsusb too Oct 22 17:00:39 it shows up in lsusb Oct 22 17:00:44 hang on, i'm getting strace up Oct 22 17:00:49 try adb -kill-server Oct 22 17:01:01 i did Oct 22 17:01:04 Fun Oct 22 17:01:32 hehe, what the hell Oct 22 17:01:36 just reconnected the device and got a shell Oct 22 17:01:46 wait no, that was me being stupid :) Oct 22 17:02:05 btw, my efforts to evangelize android and the G1 keep gettings shot down because I have to keep explaining that "no, that app they kept showing isn't available in the market yet." Oct 22 17:02:10 -s Oct 22 17:02:15 , still compiling on my end Oct 22 17:02:42 what app was that? Oct 22 17:02:53 i tried it as root and it worked, but then now i can do it as a regular user as well without doing anything except reconnecting the device? Oct 22 17:02:56 wastrel, avrious, but mostly the pac man game *sigh* Oct 22 17:02:57 oh well :) Oct 22 17:03:00 *various Oct 22 17:03:27 usb on linux is magic Oct 22 17:03:34 yeah i guess Oct 22 17:03:50 * romainguy__ remembers his days of trying a USB sound card on Linux Oct 22 17:03:55 i really should get off Debian etch too :) Oct 22 17:04:03 hrm Oct 22 17:04:10 romainguy__: a usb sound card just sounds like a stupid thing to build in general Oct 22 17:04:18 I wonder if I can use the G1 as a usb boot device Oct 22 17:04:30 for a pc Oct 22 17:04:35 jasta: except if you have only laptops Oct 22 17:05:44 holy crap, that would be an awesome "app" if we ever get simultaneous access to the microsd card while plugged in via usb Oct 22 17:06:15 pic a boot image from the device for a usb connected pc to boot from Oct 22 17:07:06 Also what's with --enable-gpl? Oct 22 17:07:10 gah, lame, EDGE only at my house :) Oct 22 17:07:12 stupid t-mobile Oct 22 17:07:15 er, whoops Oct 22 17:07:20 mine too Ramzez Oct 22 17:07:33 it loks like it takes a while to make Oct 22 17:08:00 jasta: A USB sound card is often put in a set of USB speakers. Oct 22 17:08:01 , yeah, should be, quite big source Oct 22 17:08:17 it says 6GB on the site Oct 22 17:08:18 jasta: Or a USB headset. Oct 22 17:08:28 jbailey: that sound card was also standalone, it worked without a PC, that was actually very cool :) Oct 22 17:08:30 so the question is, should i make a new gmail account for my g1? Oct 22 17:08:36 wastrel: Yes. Oct 22 17:08:49 ttuttle: what is your reasoning? Oct 22 17:08:56 d4v3y0rk: It's actually like 4.5 for source + object files, but I added a 1.5 gb buffer space to make sure there was room for transient object files and such. Oct 22 17:08:57 wastrel, better yet.. sign up with GAFYD and get a custom damain for your g1 Oct 22 17:08:59 wastrel: Less junk to get in the way. Oct 22 17:09:02 jasta: If you do a lot of recording on the notebook you need an external sound device. :-) And it is a mess to get them working (recording) with linux :-) Oct 22 17:09:02 == languish Oct 22 17:09:15 GAFYD? i already own a domain name... Oct 22 17:09:21 <- junk in the way Oct 22 17:09:26 kewl, jbailey are you in any of the little android videos out there? Oct 22 17:09:34 , hmm interesting i just clicked properties on mydroid folder and it says 1.4GB Oct 22 17:09:34 d4v3y0rk: No, I avoided those. =) Oct 22 17:09:37 lol Oct 22 17:09:42 wastrel, you can move a domain over to GAFYD too Oct 22 17:09:48 , i am worried now Oct 22 17:09:54 why Ramzez Oct 22 17:10:05 , should be 2.1 no? Oct 22 17:10:33 wastrel: istr its google apps for your domain. Oct 22 17:11:32 I've used GAfyD for a couple years on my home domain - I migrated it over (This was before I started working here) Oct 22 17:11:36 So it's certainly doable. Oct 22 17:11:45 right, the account I initialized my G1 with wasn't @gmail, it's @mydomain because I have it hosted by google apps Oct 22 17:11:55 hrm. Oct 22 17:12:08 i will look into google apps Oct 22 17:12:08 whoa, hehe. the issues with adb over usb were nothing to do with linux i think :) Oct 22 17:12:09 does anyone know where a g1 can be purchased.. t-mobile wont sell it here or over the internet or over the phone Oct 22 17:12:14 i think that USB port is bad Oct 22 17:12:19 just hard reset my machine Oct 22 17:12:23 lol Oct 22 17:13:04 wastrel, I found google apps for this purpose to not be intuitive to set up. if you need help let me know.. it's actually pretty easy Oct 22 17:13:27 * jasta uses his alptop for this :) Oct 22 17:13:34 with no disrespect to your intelligence there. It's just how google apps FYD is set up Oct 22 17:13:35 , will see will, the only things is that it is time to go home soon! Oct 22 17:13:44 google apps was one of the most difficult things i had ever setup and i do dns/hosting all day long at work Oct 22 17:14:05 2.1 for the source without being compiled i think Oct 22 17:14:06 DarkriftX, i didn't find it difficult at all, it's just poorly laid out for certian purposes Oct 22 17:14:13 *certain Oct 22 17:14:15 apparently 4.5 after the make process Oct 22 17:14:22 DarkriftX: its incredibly simple Oct 22 17:14:30 so no online sellers of the G1 around? Oct 22 17:14:36 did it finish make, mine is on libcrypto now Oct 22 17:14:43 bmunger, sure.. t-mobile.com Oct 22 17:14:47 mine is still building Oct 22 17:14:48 they wont sell it Oct 22 17:14:48 bmunger: Isn't t-mo still selling them online? Oct 22 17:14:52 nope Oct 22 17:14:55 says unable to process order Oct 22 17:15:06 I'll sell you mine but the price would be pretty high. ;-) Oct 22 17:15:07 bmunger, where do you live? Oct 22 17:15:07 cant order by phone or in store Oct 22 17:15:12 fort myers, florida Oct 22 17:15:19 ? Oct 22 17:15:22 why can't you order in-store? Oct 22 17:15:23 why can't you in the store? Oct 22 17:15:32 they dont have any in store because this isnt a 3G area Oct 22 17:15:47 right Oct 22 17:15:47 thats the excuse Oct 22 17:15:47 ? Oct 22 17:15:51 hey guys, I cannot seem to find the SD card in the package, where do they hide it? :) Oct 22 17:15:52 if you're not in 3g land, they just show it to you and direct you to the online store Oct 22 17:16:01 jeld: in the phone Oct 22 17:16:03 jeld: mine was installed Oct 22 17:16:06 the online store is unable to process order Oct 22 17:16:11 and they wont sell it over the phone either Oct 22 17:16:15 kslater, hmm says I need to install it to use the camera Oct 22 17:16:32 so i was wondering who else sells G1's Oct 22 17:16:39 jeld inside the phone Oct 22 17:16:48 bmunger, give it a bit of time for the online store to sort itself out.. a few hours, a day. you should be able to buy it online. Oct 22 17:16:57 mine is on libwebcore now Oct 22 17:17:02 i think they probably sold out Oct 22 17:17:07 if i had to guess Oct 22 17:17:14 don't guess. know. Oct 22 17:17:17 jeld: make sure the door is closed all the way. open and look at hte corner between the kb and the talk button Oct 22 17:17:25 open the kb that is Oct 22 17:17:25 , crucial moment! Oct 22 17:17:31 well i dont have database access to t-mobile's inventory so i can only guess Oct 22 17:17:37 they are ONLY soldout because they dont have a lot :) Oct 22 17:17:44 20 - 30 phones per store? Oct 22 17:17:55 languish: are you using the free or the pay version? Oct 22 17:17:58 well they dont have any here Oct 22 17:18:02 wastrel, free Oct 22 17:18:03 i am using xchat why is your name yellow ramzez along with jbailey's Oct 22 17:18:21 but everyone else (mostly) is plain text no color Oct 22 17:18:25 languish: "ad-supported" ? Oct 22 17:18:36 , hmm, i don't know i use mIrc, maybe it is the color for newbies? Oct 22 17:18:46 wastrel, it's the usual google gmail interface Oct 22 17:18:47 i am a newbie too Oct 22 17:18:51 :) Oct 22 17:18:55 oic Oct 22 17:19:05 its not a newbie color?? Oct 22 17:19:06 Anyone get Error code -1 when trying to use AIM? Oct 22 17:19:07 d4v3y0rk: When someone types your name, it will highlight it in yellow for you. Oct 22 17:19:10 wastrel, you just log in through your domain not gmail.com Oct 22 17:19:16 that is like saying.... if it weren't for my horse Oct 22 17:19:17 oic Oct 22 17:19:17 Like not here. Oct 22 17:19:20 d4v3y0rk: but yes here. Oct 22 17:19:21 , i don't know then, last time i used IRC was about 5 years ago Oct 22 17:19:36 wastrel, or for managing the domain, you log in through google apps site Oct 22 17:19:38 thanks! Oct 22 17:19:50 wastrel, but I did buy a domain through them.. also.. if you do that.. use enom, not godaddy Oct 22 17:20:01 howcome? Oct 22 17:20:03 argh, that's clever! Oct 22 17:20:24 maybe should install xchat as well Oct 22 17:20:28 wastrel, better management after you set up. and fewer headaches with "policies" that godaddy likes to randomly enforce Oct 22 17:20:34 irssi Oct 22 17:20:40 t-mobile fails at phone sales.. going to give android a bad name.. shoulda had someone else launch the phone.. a company that has a clue about customer service Oct 22 17:20:46 ok wtf is with the crap? you aren't using ichat or some such are you? Oct 22 17:20:48 how are you using mirc on ubuntu wine or virtual machine? Oct 22 17:21:04 bmunger: yah cuz the launch problems of the iphone totally jsut destroyed its popularity Oct 22 17:21:11 i have windows machine, and ubuntu is running under VirtualBox :) Oct 22 17:21:18 ah got you Oct 22 17:21:28 and i have two screens, so quite easy to use Oct 22 17:21:33 Market doesn't get apps downloaded :( Oct 22 17:21:45 need to develop on multiple platforms :) Oct 22 17:21:46 dual monitors here too but i am running ubuntu with windows in vm Oct 22 17:21:46 bmunger, the real issue is that you're in a geographic location the phone isn't intended for yet. And if you wait a few hours, you likely will be able to order one online. Oct 22 17:22:03 i will try again online.. thanks for that advice Oct 22 17:22:04 LOL, i do the same on my mac at home Oct 22 17:22:30 lol, i have both on my mac fusion ubuntu and windowz Oct 22 17:22:38 bmunger, good luck. and maybe try a different web browser, something in the one you're using might be breaking the ordering proicess Oct 22 17:22:49 *process Oct 22 17:22:56 * Disconnect doesn't think its about edge vs 3g so much as it is about "don't hold this next to an iphone in an edge market, its a bad enough comparison in a 3g area" :) Oct 22 17:23:02 Ramzez, d4v3y0rk you guys should pvm Oct 22 17:23:20 sorry Oct 22 17:23:39 Anyone get Error code -1 when trying to use AIM? Oct 22 17:23:56 Penguin no, it works for me well Oct 22 17:24:02 Wow. Oct 22 17:24:33 Hrm... what do I need to do to get "adb devices" to detect the G1? I found the "USB Debug Mode" thing under the Applications menu, didn't seem to help Oct 22 17:24:51 andyross: using Linux? Oct 22 17:25:27 andyross: unplug/replug after changes right? Oct 22 17:25:49 what's the Android gui process called? Oct 22 17:25:53 the shell? Oct 22 17:25:58 Run "lsusb" on the workstation side, see if there's an entry for a device from "High Tech Computer Corp" Oct 22 17:26:04 fadden: Ubuntu Gutsy x86_64. Disconnect: it did its own drop and reconnect when I changed the setting, but I just tried the plug with no luck. Oct 22 17:26:13 as root? Oct 22 17:27:06 It's on the bus, I had the storage device up earlier. Trying as root, although permissions on the device object look sane to me... Oct 22 17:27:23 Still no luck. Oct 22 17:27:25 There's a udev tweak that somehow didn't make the docs... Oct 22 17:27:31 is usb storage disabled? Oct 22 17:27:53 Uh... no. At the moment storage is enabled. Oct 22 17:28:07 try disabling it Oct 22 17:28:12 andyross, try a soft reset on the g1 Oct 22 17:28:16 USB mass storage enabled/disabled doesn't (at least, shouldn't) affect ADB. Oct 22 17:28:19 esp on linux, reports are it can't handle the troof...er, usb storage Oct 22 17:28:53 soft reboot is green+menu+red Oct 22 17:28:59 How do I do a soft reset? All I know how to do so far is pull the battery. Oct 22 17:29:17 languish, 73 members now :S Oct 22 17:29:18 languish: thanks, cross in the stream Oct 22 17:29:23 DarkriftX :) Oct 22 17:29:54 'Launcher' :P thanks self Oct 22 17:29:57 andyross: see priv msg Oct 22 17:30:27 andyross, also, are you using the cable that came with the g1, or one of your own? Oct 22 17:30:33 The one in the box. Oct 22 17:30:36 'k Oct 22 17:31:07 Hello Oct 22 17:31:16 Oh, wait. There's a kernel oops up a few lines in the dmesg. That may be related. I should probably reboot and try again. Oct 22 17:31:23 i am getting another error now i think... http://pastebin.com/d662b13f6 Oct 22 17:31:51 d'oh, stinkin wake locks :) Oct 22 17:32:22 jasta: how are you liking your phone. Oct 22 17:32:28 it's fantastic Oct 22 17:32:29 andyross: if it's on the device side, please keep a copy Oct 22 17:32:34 i'm so excited by the future of this platform Oct 22 17:32:36 I think I have an android issue w/ the browser. Oct 22 17:32:43 No no, on the host. I don't have a shell yet. :) Oct 22 17:32:50 Dougie187: just touching up my app to get it integrated better with real hardware Oct 22 17:33:08 jasta: thats good. im glad it is good Oct 22 17:33:17 jasta, so NOW you really aren't going to do work anymore? just android? Oct 22 17:33:23 :) Oct 22 17:33:24 meh Oct 22 17:33:27 im off today :) Oct 22 17:33:30 on vacation hehe Oct 22 17:33:33 good choice Oct 22 17:33:37 jasta: just like every day right? :) Oct 22 17:33:48 hah Oct 22 17:33:59 going to a password protected IIS Site, that is protected by just turning off anonymous access does not prompt me for a username / password. it gives following error Oct 22 17:34:15 Data connectivty problem, The site authentication scheme is not supported. Oct 22 17:34:48 doh, looks like Webkit doesn't build Oct 22 17:35:06 anybody got any idea about the message i got http://pastebin.com/d662b13f6 Oct 22 17:36:50 bleh! the build quality sucks on G1 :( Oct 22 17:37:25 * eggy waits on repo sync Oct 22 17:37:41 eggy, don't hold your breath, webkit repository is down :) Oct 22 17:38:13 yeah - I've been having problems with it here and there. I did eventually get it to download earlier Oct 22 17:38:21 you can get the nightly build Oct 22 17:38:28 eggy, I get connection refused all the time Oct 22 17:38:30 source.android.com/known-issues Oct 22 17:38:50 jeld: follow instructions on http://source.android.com/known-issues Oct 22 17:38:57 you can get the nightly Oct 22 17:39:16 hmmm Oct 22 17:39:33 cd dev Oct 22 17:39:45 michaelnovakj2, cool, thanx Oct 22 17:39:56 np Oct 22 17:40:13 none of my issues are on that known-issues page Oct 22 17:40:13 heh Oct 22 17:40:19 as I was asking before, can we now run native binaries on G1? Oct 22 17:40:42 jeld, you could on the emulator :) Oct 22 17:40:51 (unknown): error 17: Field android.hardware.SensorManager.LIGHT_NO_MOON has changed value from 0.0010f to 0.001f (and I didn't touch it) Oct 22 17:40:55 as far as the device, don't have one Oct 22 17:41:04 hmm. gizmodo is reporting that you need to use the USB cable that came with the android to do usb mass storage. I was using my plain old usb cable on my linux laptop just fine... Oct 22 17:41:05 d4v3y0rk: looks like somebody forgot to prefix comments with '@' Oct 22 17:41:12 is that for windows only or what Oct 22 17:41:34 michaelnovakj2, how? Oct 22 17:41:49 so my make completed successfully then fadden? Oct 22 17:42:18 vol, because the g1 also charges via usb, there are some substandard cables out there that seem to cause problems Oct 22 17:42:39 so they're playing it safe Oct 22 17:42:41 jeld, you need the cross-tools Oct 22 17:42:53 ...aha. Oct 22 17:42:53 d4v3y0rk: looks that way Oct 22 17:42:57 so it really doesn't matter. Oct 22 17:42:59 you need to build an elf binary jeld Oct 22 17:43:02 as long as your cable isn't shitty Oct 22 17:43:05 awesome! lol now what Oct 22 17:43:06 type "make" again and see if it finishes without doing anything. Oct 22 17:43:20 jeld: The consensus seems to be that you *can* install native code via adb. If they're JNI libraries installed system wide, you can then use them from a packaged application. But the packaged applications themselves have no mechanism for installing a JNI library. I'm still in the process of verifying all this myself. Oct 22 17:43:33 vol, sure, and you look at two cables and tell me how to determin just by looking at them, which is "shitty" and which isn't. Oct 22 17:43:39 andyross: System.load() and System.loadLibrary() both work. Oct 22 17:43:43 x-ray vision ftw Oct 22 17:43:49 andyross: you can actually install a C app and run it Oct 22 17:43:56 i did a simple one on the shell Oct 22 17:44:05 on the emulator of course... and a few weeks ago Oct 22 17:44:12 haven't tried it since then Oct 22 17:44:15 vol, anyway, it's an at your own risk kinda thing, *shrug* enjoy your device either way :) Oct 22 17:44:51 yeah Oct 22 17:44:55 OK, then maybe I'm happily wrong. You can stuff a JNI binary into a package and then manually load it by filename? That sounds perfect to me. My real hope is to have some mechanism for distributing native code via the market. Oct 22 17:45:02 I just have so many cables, I don't need to unpack ANOTHER :P Oct 22 17:45:02 * umdk1d3 was hoping for a market announcement today :/ Oct 22 17:45:14 the latest make command finished and outputted the stats Oct 22 17:45:24 andyross: stuff it into an apk :P Oct 22 17:45:24 andyross: yea, the instructions weren't publicly available..... so they aren't advertising it :) Oct 22 17:45:30 languish: any idea if it'll honor suid/sgid? cuz openvpn is less useful without root access :) Oct 22 17:45:33 andyross: but it is possible Oct 22 17:46:12 andyross: i don't know what the permissions are on devices, i would imagine they are a bit more locked down than they were pre 1.0 Oct 22 17:46:20 hm Oct 22 17:46:23 this is silly Oct 22 17:46:24 Native JNI stuff is not officially supported at this time, so we haven't made much of an effort to document it. Oct 22 17:46:40 Since you have all of the source, I can point you at things rather than wait for you to wade through it all. Oct 22 17:46:40 my Ubuntu has issues connecting to the interweb, yet the Mac is fine. Oct 22 17:46:41 =/ Oct 22 17:46:51 Sure. I care less about the documentation than the feasibility. Oct 22 17:47:01 But I'm going to continue to discourage you from including native code even as I help you understand how to do it. :-) Oct 22 17:47:07 Native code will also most likely not be officially supported as part of the 1.0 spec Oct 22 17:47:24 not a deal-breaker Oct 22 17:47:28 the java is good enough Oct 22 17:47:50 i can think of plenty to do instead of adding native code support :) Oct 22 17:48:02 either native code or JIT support Oct 22 17:48:13 the floating point thing makes me wish you could do native though Oct 22 17:48:27 would it be possible to make an http proxy to tether in java? Oct 22 17:48:48 monteslu: I would believe so. Oct 22 17:48:56 umdk1d3: they did announce some details: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-market-now-available-for-users.html Oct 22 17:48:56 tmccrary: not sure what you mean about floating point Oct 22 17:48:58 Just gotta figure out how to get the tether app to have a concurrent connection Oct 22 17:49:10 I guess you'd still need to have axternal access point Oct 22 17:49:14 well the lack of decent floating point support kind of sucks Oct 22 17:49:19 but then use the g1's internet Oct 22 17:49:27 hmm... t-mobile site doesn't seem to be aware of G1 yet Oct 22 17:49:29 granted, its probably not a huge deal for most phone apps Oct 22 17:49:33 taaz: ah thanks -- GRRRR @ monday Oct 22 17:49:36 I cannot select G1 as my phone Oct 22 17:49:44 but for anything really interactive, i.e. games, etc Oct 22 17:49:45 jeld: it was right on their front page earlier today Oct 22 17:49:46 i was able to Oct 22 17:49:47 Yeah, that's the thing: there's just a whole lot of good stuff you can do with access to the system call layer and the CPU that is hugely clunky at the interpreted VM level. The vector FPU on that part is really pretty spiffy, and this is running a 2.6 kernel with support for stuff like vmsplice and sendfile. Oct 22 17:49:49 floating point would be nice Oct 22 17:49:56 and I cannot add G1 data plan to my account Oct 22 17:50:17 There is no hardware floating point support on the G1. Oct 22 17:50:17 umdk1d3: gives you enough time to rewrite again :) Oct 22 17:50:22 i said shop for phones, clicked 't-mobile' to filter to only t-mobile phones and it showed up Oct 22 17:50:30 jeld: I can select it as my phone just fine. Oct 22 17:50:38 No? Thought that was part of the ARM11 core natively, no? Sad, if it god left behind. Oct 22 17:50:55 interesting, maybe they already fixed it, I couldn't do that a few hours ago Oct 22 17:50:57 It's an option. Oct 22 17:50:59 xorl, maybe jsocks.sourceforge.net ? Oct 22 17:51:03 could be my first app :) Oct 22 17:51:19 tis possible. Oct 22 17:51:24 wow that's even worse Oct 22 17:51:27 :( Oct 22 17:51:34 jeld: from home page, click 'phones' on top, 't-mobile' checkbox on left, then it's like 3rd or 4th on the list Oct 22 17:51:35 just connect your laptop and g1 to a dummy access point Oct 22 17:51:46 then proxy through 3g or edge Oct 22 17:51:53 16.16 math works pretty well. At least integer multiply is in hardware. :-) Oct 22 17:51:53 Which brings up a good question: is there a datasheet on the actual CPU available? I couldn't find anything on Qualcomm's site, but I didn't look very hrd. Oct 22 17:52:11 can we push apps to the device via usb ? Oct 22 17:52:28 plusminus_: yes Oct 22 17:52:29 plusminus_: adb install .apk except i can't get it to work Oct 22 17:52:40 Disconnect: neither can i Oct 22 17:52:45 andyross: I'm sure there is, but I'm not sure where you'd find it. Oct 22 17:52:51 I can, but I have to run adb as root Oct 22 17:52:54 I just got my G1 Oct 22 17:52:57 it works sweet so far Oct 22 17:53:05 anyone here know where I can find docs for connectbot? Oct 22 17:53:08 abd install will automatically 'route' to my connected G1 ? Oct 22 17:53:12 I can't figure out how to import my SSH keys Oct 22 17:53:13 ok stupid question I have eclipse 3.4.x and i have successfully built android under mydroid... now what do I do? Oct 22 17:53:17 plusminus_: yes Oct 22 17:53:21 nat Oct 22 17:53:23 plusminus_: run "adb devices" Oct 22 17:53:25 neat Oct 22 17:53:27 zhobbs: for me the ones i've tried all throw manifest errors Oct 22 17:53:30 would anyone have a problem with having an alarmmanager alarm type that only wakes up the phone if the phone is plugged in?, i.e. RTC_WAKEUP_IF_POWERED Oct 22 17:54:00 plusminus_: you can use "adb -d" or "adb -e" to specify device or emulator, respectively, when both are available. Oct 22 17:54:19 zhobbs: no dice -- sudo adb devices comes up blank Oct 22 17:54:32 commonsguy: make sure to kill the running adb first Oct 22 17:54:52 zhobbs: bingo! Oct 22 17:54:58 For ADB issues, always start with "lsusb" to make sure the "High Tech Computer Corp" device is present. Oct 22 17:55:00 make sure you have debug when usb connected checked Oct 22 17:55:04 cat bin/suadb Oct 22 17:55:04 sudo killall adb; sudo /home/zach/workspace/android-sdk/tools/adb devices Oct 22 17:55:06 try unchecking use usb as mass storage Oct 22 17:55:14 and yeah kill adb running as non-root Oct 22 17:55:15 "adb kill-server" usually works too Oct 22 17:55:40 "device not found" Oct 22 17:56:01 plusminus_: does "lsusb" show it? Oct 22 17:56:07 what did you select when plugging the G1 for the first time (there is no CD with it to install anything) Oct 22 17:56:28 win-explorer shows the sd-card i think... Oct 22 17:56:29 plusminus_: backing up a step: what OS are you using on your computer? Oct 22 17:56:42 windows Oct 22 17:56:44 Ah, Windows requires a separate driver to use ADB. Oct 22 17:56:45 vista Oct 22 17:56:46 32 Oct 22 17:56:53 where to get? Oct 22 17:57:03 cliff, i think i would rather have a broadcast for when the power is plugged/unplugged, and let people manage their alarms with that Oct 22 17:57:07 Fine question. (Advocates?) Oct 22 17:57:17 or least a broadcast for plugging the battery would be the first thing to add Oct 22 17:57:49 hackbod: the scenario i'm trying to solve is: i want to have a daily web update, but it's not important enough to wakeup the phone and use battery power Oct 22 17:58:00 but if it's plugged in, which it often is for most people at night Oct 22 17:58:03 i want it to wake up Oct 22 17:58:34 with a broadcast, i'd have to have my app wakeup each time there's a power change Oct 22 17:58:37 yeah definitely helping people do work while plugged in would be a good thing Oct 22 17:58:57 waking up each time there device is plugged in is fine, because you are plugged in at that point so won't be draining the battery :) Oct 22 17:59:03 right exactly Oct 22 17:59:12 as long as you can do it without lighting the backlight Oct 22 17:59:18 you can Oct 22 17:59:27 adding new alarm types is much much more tricky Oct 22 17:59:31 the WAF goes near zero when the thing turns into a floor-lamp randomly throughout the night :) Oct 22 17:59:31 so i see at least two options: either have an option to always stay awake when plugged in, or to add an alarm type to the alarmmanager Oct 22 17:59:38 is it? i'm looking at the code now Oct 22 17:59:55 the chances of breaking things are significantly higher Oct 22 17:59:59 oh, sure Oct 22 18:00:04 Where to get the windows USB-Driver that works for debugging ? Oct 22 18:00:13 plusminus_: I think I have it somewhere... Oct 22 18:00:25 could you send it to me? Oct 22 18:00:32 do you think it would be better to have a system service for 'idle' alarm tasks that would centralize the functionality of detecting power changes? Oct 22 18:00:38 and having a bradcast for plugging in is more generally useful (and you can use that to register alarms and unregister them when done) and not something you can currently do Oct 22 18:00:42 so i would pick that first Oct 22 18:00:46 plusminus_: if I recall correctly, enabling "USB debugging" in menu->settings and then plugging the device in will cause it to go searching for drivers. Oct 22 18:00:52 does the device always wake when you plug in? Oct 22 18:00:53 the alarm thing is just an optimization for that Oct 22 18:00:54 i think it does Oct 22 18:00:59 I'm told it's "out there" but I'm not sure where (being a Linux user). Oct 22 18:01:07 if a lot of people end up doing that kind of thing, it would make sense to have an alarm Oct 22 18:01:15 does the g1 have dual transfer mode? Oct 22 18:01:21 over gsm & grps Oct 22 18:01:21 there are several scenarios for me at the moment Oct 22 18:01:36 mmm found a bug in nightly Oct 22 18:01:37 * xorl fixes Oct 22 18:02:10 hackbod: i also want a 'do stuff while idle' too though, which is a similar purpose, i wonder if there's some mechanism there that could be consolidated Oct 22 18:02:44 cliff, define "idle" :) Oct 22 18:02:46 fadden: Now: "Searching Windows update..." Oct 22 18:03:07 fadden "Insert a Disk..." Oct 22 18:03:14 plusminus_: okay, now the phone is configured. Just need to figure out where to get the driver from. Oct 22 18:03:22 hackbod: time when the user isn't using the device but it's plugged in Oct 22 18:03:28 kk thx Oct 22 18:03:33 so, basically that'd be screen off Oct 22 18:03:35 but plugged in Oct 22 18:03:45 but it's okay if background music is playing? Oct 22 18:03:52 plusminus_: Oct 22 18:03:59 http://dl.google.com/android/android_usb_windows.zip Oct 22 18:04:14 cliff, what is your goal for this? what problem is it to solve? Oct 22 18:04:17 it should be, as long as the background music has a higher priority so that it's uninterrupted Oct 22 18:04:26 plusminus_: found on http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/af53210a9c41ec37/dc899a42705b0a79?show_docid=dc899a42705b0a79 Oct 22 18:04:35 oh if it's a priority issue don't worry about it Oct 22 18:04:45 set your thread priority to background and it will be decent Oct 22 18:04:48 nono Oct 22 18:05:04 fadden: thats an excellent link Oct 22 18:05:08 should prolly end up in topic too Oct 22 18:05:34 hackbod: lets say i want to have a backup and restore system, where i have near-instant upload of changes, but i don't want to interrupt the user's internet speed or cpu or memory by having my stuff going on instantly after a change Oct 22 18:05:36 in a future release we are hoping to have much better scheduling so that background processes can not impact foreground stuff at all Oct 22 18:05:43 WARNING: adding test OTA key Oct 22 18:05:49 ah okay internet is different Oct 22 18:05:50 what's that about? Oct 22 18:05:57 eggy: you can ignore that Oct 22 18:06:05 there is already a broadcast about the screen turning off Oct 22 18:06:07 Howdy hackbod :-) Oct 22 18:06:11 I know - its a warning, just wondering what it is =p Oct 22 18:06:16 if we add a broadcast about being plugged in, you can use the two do to this i think Oct 22 18:06:21 yeah, i suppose i can hack this all together with broadcasts, and add a broadcast for plugging in Oct 22 18:06:28 OTA=Over The Air update; if you were doing an "official" build that would be a message you don't want to see. Oct 22 18:06:31 it just seems like a pretty common scenario Oct 22 18:06:32 (this is why i say a plugged in broadcast is the first thing, it provides many more solutions) Oct 22 18:06:37 trey!! Oct 22 18:06:40 how are you? :) Oct 22 18:06:45 i just put in 7 mx records for my google apps domain Oct 22 18:06:46 yeah i like the plugged in broadcast Oct 22 18:06:52 Well. And yourself, hackbod? Oct 22 18:06:55 greetings Oct 22 18:07:03 cliff, interested in submitting a patch? :) Oct 22 18:07:07 wait, hackbod there's already a broadcast Oct 22 18:07:15 oh yeah? Oct 22 18:07:16 the powermanagerservice gets it Oct 22 18:07:21 i thought there was but couldn't find it Oct 22 18:07:34 what is its name? Oct 22 18:07:35 yeah i thought there was too Oct 22 18:07:42 uhh Oct 22 18:08:29 Intent.ACTION_BATTERY_CHANGED Oct 22 18:08:58 the only problem with this is that i have to wake up my application each time for that broadcast Oct 22 18:08:59 oh yeah Oct 22 18:09:04 that's not useful Oct 22 18:09:07 can anybody tell me how to run the emulator after i do make on the Get Source webpage? Oct 22 18:09:23 yeah it actually doesn't get delivered to apps that have registered in their manifest, because waking people up for that would be bad Oct 22 18:09:41 right Oct 22 18:09:43 d4v3y0rk: this might help: http://steventroughtonsmith.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-10-source-release-notes.html Oct 22 18:09:43 ok Oct 22 18:09:54 i would suggest two broadcasts: ACTION_POWER_CONNECTED and ACTION_POWER_DISCONNECTED or something Oct 22 18:10:31 that way people who are just interested in one or the other won't be woken up for either Oct 22 18:10:35 hackbod: in addition there should probably be a way to check if it's connected somehow Oct 22 18:10:39 nice thanks Oct 22 18:10:50 well... would someone ever be interested in only power_disconnected? Oct 22 18:11:09 YEEEEHA apps up and running Oct 22 18:11:15 cliff: to stop whatever you were doing (ie, cancel that BitTorrent) Oct 22 18:11:29 right, but in that case the application is already awake Oct 22 18:11:40 are you allowed to reserve G1s? Oct 22 18:12:03 cliff: yeah, but now it will know it's disconnected and can stop a worker thread or something Oct 22 18:12:07 zhobbs, the existing battery broadcast is a sticky broadcast, so you can always retrieve the last value that was sent Oct 22 18:12:30 hackbod: interesting, I didn't know you could do that Oct 22 18:12:43 plusminus_: hooray Oct 22 18:12:44 hackbod: I'll have to look into that for some of the broadcasts I'm using Oct 22 18:14:17 just called a couple stores and getting the "All I have is one brown one, all my others are 'Reserved'..." runaround. Oct 22 18:14:21 cliff, we've found that for these kinds of things it is general better to split them into two actions and have people register for the specific things they are interested in Oct 22 18:14:29 bronze is sexy Oct 22 18:14:45 hackbod: I understand, i just couldn't think of a scenario in which someone would need that. but if it's a convention, i'd agree it's better to follow that Oct 22 18:15:06 unix_lappy: i like my brown fyi. and i think they 'reserve' them by handing out those cards in line - if you go there and they can't point to the people with the cards, call the tmob corporate and pitch a fit.. Oct 22 18:15:24 cliff, it's a convention we released a little late we should have been using more :) Oct 22 18:15:32 that's fine Oct 22 18:15:44 (actually, the old telephony broadcasts were really broken in this way, which is one reason why they are not available in the current SDK) Oct 22 18:16:06 cliff, maybe you can be the first to submit a real patch. :) Oct 22 18:16:11 yeah i'm happy to Oct 22 18:16:16 i have another patch Oct 22 18:16:22 but the code i'm patching isn't public yet Oct 22 18:16:24 so i can't submit it Oct 22 18:16:39 i was annoyed when it wasn't included :) Oct 22 18:16:46 Disconnect: There's no line. Oct 22 18:17:11 then according to tmob its either "sold and not here" or "available". anything else is "your store manager is taking bribes again" :) Oct 22 18:17:58 seems like my SD card is defective :( Oct 22 18:17:59 Oh, well I'll swing by in the afternoon. If it wasnt meant to be, their loss. ;-) Oct 22 18:18:14 the card is there, but not recognized Oct 22 18:18:19 try asking how you can reserve one, see if they'll tell you flat out they're looking for kickbacks :) Oct 22 18:18:23 jeld: usb is unplugged right? Oct 22 18:18:33 Disconnect, no, is that important? Oct 22 18:18:34 where do I view submits to the repo Oct 22 18:18:35 (live) Oct 22 18:18:49 rooooooooooooofl Oct 22 18:18:52 jeld: only one device can use sd at a time. by default usb-storage is on, so when you plug in usb it offers it up to the pc Oct 22 18:18:52 n/m Oct 22 18:18:54 got it. Oct 22 18:18:54 * umdk1d3 tries something Oct 22 18:19:06 xorl: Hak5 fan? Oct 22 18:19:16 VickiWong: same xorl yes, ;) Oct 22 18:19:25 just submitted my bug fixes. Oct 22 18:20:11 xorl: nice havent heard anyone else over there mention Android Oct 22 18:20:15 cliff, i need to get some work done, but feel free to e-mail me at hackbod@google.com Oct 22 18:20:25 what was that manifest flag to enabe debugging? Oct 22 18:20:27 ok Oct 22 18:20:34 setDebuggable="true" Oct 22 18:20:39 fyi someone should add "gcc-multilib" to the prereqs page (at least for ubuntu) Oct 22 18:20:41 Disconnect, hmm that makes a bit of twisted sense Oct 22 18:20:45 i am getting a 500 server error on review.source.android.com Oct 22 18:21:04 (for some reason ia32-libs doesn't depend on it, sigh) Oct 22 18:21:08 VickiWong: Yeah, i just commited my patch. Oct 22 18:21:38 xorl: nice, linkage? Oct 22 18:21:56 im still downloading source Oct 22 18:22:16 and lib32stdc++6 :( Oct 22 18:23:05 Matt Lee Oct 22 18:23:14 Disconnect: why would I offer a bribe when there's no apparent in-store demand and there are other people spending money to get me in the store? Oct 22 18:23:35 unix_lappy: i didn't say you pay him, i say you get him to request one directly, then have his ass fired Oct 22 18:23:51 d4v3y0rk: the application is having some latency issues with the data store. i'm looking into it Oct 22 18:24:16 i am in now spearce thanks Oct 22 18:24:46 if I could pull up the review.source.android.com Oct 22 18:24:50 500 Server Error yeehaw Oct 22 18:24:59 i brokes google =x Oct 22 18:25:19 xorl: Is that the main page? Oct 22 18:25:46 i was getting that error too but it is gone now Oct 22 18:25:57 jbailey: no Oct 22 18:26:01 getting it randomly all over Oct 22 18:26:24 hmm I wonder what are all those silly mp3c tracks on the SD card Oct 22 18:26:46 getting http://pastie.org/298246 after 'make' :( Oct 22 18:27:29 and amazon has got to think again if they think I am gonna buy music at $0.89 a track Oct 22 18:27:34 Disconnect: Cause you haven't instal libstdc++ Oct 22 18:27:51 xorl: yah that seemed obvious but its there (/usr/lib32/libstdc++5 and 6) Oct 22 18:28:02 jeld: why? that is good Oct 22 18:28:06 and its drm-free Oct 22 18:28:25 http://pastie.org/298249 Oct 22 18:29:01 Disconnect: pkg-config is your friend :) Oct 22 18:29:01 does Handler.sendEmptyMessage trigger handleMessage? Oct 22 18:29:21 michaelnovakj2, well, consider that you are not getting any of the CD goodness and you can buy a used CD Oct 22 18:29:34 xorl: pkg-config is fine.. Oct 22 18:29:42 jeld, what do you mean by CD goodness? Oct 22 18:29:42 OMFG AndNav is working o_O Oct 22 18:29:42 so pkg-config finds stdc++? Oct 22 18:30:01 michaelnovakjr, inserts, lyrics, all that crap Oct 22 18:30:16 I have server class which runs in a thread created by the main class. I then update a string inside the main class, and then do mainClass.handler.sendEmptyMessage(0). the handler should append the string to the textview, but sometimes it doesnt do it. Oct 22 18:30:18 eh, i haven't looked at that stuff in years :) Oct 22 18:30:23 you prolly need the -dev packages for libstd Oct 22 18:30:27 jeld, everything is digital for me now Oct 22 18:31:06 im still downloading source Oct 22 18:31:10 plusminus_: awesome news ! :) Oct 22 18:31:14 michaelnovakjr, I applaud the DRM-free part, but the track price has got to go down. Considering that any of that music can be had for free or for a few cents using mp3sparks Oct 22 18:31:22 i currently have libstdc++6-4.2-dev and libstdc++6 installed Oct 22 18:31:27 hey guys Oct 22 18:31:28 xorl: pkg-config stdc++ doesn't work on any box i've got.. Oct 22 18:31:40 can someone tell me how to load my app to the actual device? Oct 22 18:31:42 michaelnovakjr, in any case, that is all completely off topic Oct 22 18:31:46 androoid: ant reinstall Oct 22 18:31:53 stdc++ doesn't drop a .pc Oct 22 18:32:22 jeld, :) Oct 22 18:33:21 ttuttle: what do you mean? Oct 22 18:34:33 androoid: are you using eclipse? Oct 22 18:34:39 umdk1d3: yes Oct 22 18:34:40 and what OS? Oct 22 18:34:46 windows vista Oct 22 18:34:53 * waldo_ is away: auto-away Oct 22 18:34:54 youll need the windows driver that was linked earlier Oct 22 18:34:56 * umdk1d3 digs Oct 22 18:35:04 http://dl.google.com/android/android_usb_windows.zip Oct 22 18:35:05 the debug windows driver? Oct 22 18:35:08 yep Oct 22 18:35:20 yeah I loaded that Oct 22 18:35:26 androoid, info on that driver here: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/af53210a9c41ec37/dc899a42705b0a79?show_docid=dc899a42705b0a79 Oct 22 18:35:27 do I restart eclipse after maybe? Oct 22 18:35:36 do you have an emulator still open? Oct 22 18:35:45 yeah Oct 22 18:35:58 look in the ddms tab to see if adb is seeing your hardware device Oct 22 18:36:14 also androoid did you enable debug on the device? Oct 22 18:36:21 its in settings -> apps -> development or something Oct 22 18:36:26 http://www.anddev.org/debugging_on_the_g1_windows_driver-t3236.html Oct 22 18:36:31 umdk1d3: yeah i did Oct 22 18:36:44 oh wow it's plusminus_ Oct 22 18:36:51 when the G1 shows "Waiting for debugger..." after running Debug from Eclipse, what to do ? Oct 22 18:36:52 ? Oct 22 18:36:59 love your site! Oct 22 18:37:04 thx :) Oct 22 18:37:33 aw plusminus_ has a fan :) Oct 22 18:37:46 umdk1d3: restarting eclipse after installing the drivers and now i see the device in ddms Oct 22 18:37:47 http://dl.google.com/android/android_usb_windows.zip Oct 22 18:37:48 romainguy_: did you make your app debuggable? Oct 22 18:37:50 crap Oct 22 18:38:58 plusminus_: setDebuggable="true" in the Manifest? Oct 22 18:38:59 ;) Oct 22 18:39:00 it loaded my app just fine now, awesome Oct 22 18:39:07 =D Oct 22 18:39:08 just ooc why is all this stuff built 32bit anyway? Oct 22 18:40:31 plusminus_: android:debuggable, not setDebuggable Oct 22 18:40:43 ah ok makes sense xD Oct 22 18:41:04 oh geeze, a task switched in the market! Thank you jason Parekh! Oct 22 18:41:08 Is there any way to build just a single module? ie: bionic? Oct 22 18:41:13 *switcher Oct 22 18:41:16 romainguy to the tag ? Oct 22 18:41:30 does eclipse warn you if you try exporting unsigned with :debuggable? or will market check for that flag? Oct 22 18:42:00 eclipse doesn't warn you Oct 22 18:42:09 which is a total pain :\ Oct 22 18:42:15 "why won't this debug? why why why?" Oct 22 18:42:22 is there a good way to test out changes to (say) framework.jar without rebuilding all the dependencies afterwards? Oct 22 18:42:22 I didn't even know that flag existed until someone told me Oct 22 18:42:24 umdk1d3: the next Eclipse plugin will warn you both when you attempt to debug w/o the flag or when you export with it Oct 22 18:42:35 xavd: cool Oct 22 18:42:46 cuz it would be interesting if debuggable apps got into market ;) Oct 22 18:42:55 could someone tell me if the 25$ in the Android market are per app or just one time fee to be able to enter the market ? Oct 22 18:42:59 romainguy debuggable="true" to the tag ? Oct 22 18:43:01 androoid: one time Oct 22 18:43:06 plusminus_: android:debuggable Oct 22 18:43:10 anno^da: I think it says per app Oct 22 18:43:11 Where do you sign up? Oct 22 18:43:24 umdk1d3: yes Oct 22 18:43:26 plusminus_: it's to the "application" node Oct 22 18:43:26 android:debuggable="true" Oct 22 18:43:30 thx Oct 22 18:43:35 plusminus_: it says pay "a one time $25 application fee." Oct 22 18:43:46 just use the Eclipse manifest editor ;) Oct 22 18:43:53 I dont know if that means per application or just general "application fee" Oct 22 18:44:02 how I assumed per app Oct 22 18:44:05 androoid: "each developer ... register and pay a one time $25 " Oct 22 18:44:05 hm Oct 22 18:44:17 application in that context is your application to be in the dev program Oct 22 18:44:34 Could someone confirm that from Google here ? romainguy ? morrildl ? Oct 22 18:44:54 anyone updating the source-building pages? gcc-multilib and g++-multilib are required for 64bit ubuntu. (g++-multilib is what broke libstdc++) Oct 22 18:45:02 anno^da: it's one time for you, not for each of your apps Oct 22 18:45:05 it works :) like a charm !!! Grats @ Google !!! Oct 22 18:45:22 romainguy: thanks for that confirmation. :-) Oct 22 18:45:30 plusminus_: verbesser das mal in der news ;) Oct 22 18:45:36 anno^da: it's mostly to avoid spams and people uploading malicious apps :) Oct 22 18:45:59 romainguy: yeah thats ok. :-) Oct 22 18:46:03 I dunno, $25 isn't that much to get $1000 worth of loot Oct 22 18:46:22 ...cuz spammers would never think to pay $25..... Oct 22 18:46:26 :/ Oct 22 18:47:20 Disconnect: at least that helps prevent automated accounts creation Oct 22 18:47:21 great to stop robots, but even $1 would do that Oct 22 18:47:27 yah Oct 22 18:47:39 but so does recaptcha :) Oct 22 18:47:53 anno^da: I'll do. Gimme a second Oct 22 18:48:01 has anyone received the OTA update yet? Oct 22 18:48:05 (or, as vol points out, $1 or $5) Oct 22 18:48:40 done Oct 22 18:48:42 * waldo_ is back (gone 00:13:49) Oct 22 18:49:12 so the img files that come with the SDK are not current. if i want to run my software on the most current img i need to copy it over from the out dir to the images dir under the sdk tools lib dir Oct 22 18:49:35 hey guys, we updated the signing/publishing doc: http://code.google.com/android/devel/sign-publish.html Oct 22 18:49:43 romainguy: great. Oct 22 18:49:49 I recommend that you all read it :) Oct 22 18:49:55 So I'm leaving now. Have a nice time Androids. Oct 22 18:50:33 d4v3y0rk: the SDK has current images Oct 22 18:51:02 d4v3y0rk: the SDK is the 'same' as the source release Oct 22 18:51:13 just with some proprietary features in it Oct 22 18:51:24 but going forward as patches are accepted and put in the repo that is how i get the most current build of android Oct 22 18:51:34 sure, yes Oct 22 18:51:38 but if you're developing Oct 22 18:51:41 you should work to the 1.0 sdk Oct 22 18:51:49 Shouldn't my app ask for permission when I try to install an app ? Oct 22 18:51:52 until all android devices are running a newer system Oct 22 18:51:59 ah i see Oct 22 18:51:59 d4v3y0rk: yes but the phones will still run the android 1.0 images until OTA Oct 22 18:52:14 is the a planned timeline for OTA? Oct 22 18:52:32 as updates are solely up to the carriers in the different countries, you might always need the 1.0 sdk around Oct 22 18:53:03 will people be able to compile and run their own stuff on the phones. like a development phone Oct 22 18:53:13 romainguy is the "Improper call to JPEG library"-Bug fixed in the G1-version ? Oct 22 18:53:39 one bug im facing is with the g1 is that when i have a ringtone in my memory card it works fine until i plug my g1 into my computer or into my charger that ringtone does not work anymore, until i restart my phone Oct 22 18:54:22 can the G1 and other phones be loaded with standard android os? Oct 22 18:54:26 mo0620: using the official charger? Oct 22 18:54:31 yes i am Oct 22 18:54:42 what i mean is as patches get accepted to the repo will I be able to build them and send them to my phone for testing? Oct 22 18:54:48 bmunger: in theory sure, but in practice the g1 requires a signed image and tmo is holding the keys Oct 22 18:54:48 i understand why it wont work if its plugged into a computer (mass storage mode) but not charger Oct 22 18:55:00 yeah that is strange Oct 22 18:55:10 Disconnect: great... Oct 22 18:55:21 steventroughtons: What extra stuff is in the SDK vs. the a built source release? Oct 22 18:55:34 Maps, for one Oct 22 18:55:37 * Disconnect points to the topic, where it still doesn't say you can't reflash a g1 Oct 22 18:55:38 hopefully the OTA update will address some memory card issues Oct 22 18:55:42 wish there was an open phone as well as the os Oct 22 18:55:48 the SDK has the libgtalk and maps libs Oct 22 18:55:56 lol yeah thats just what I was thinking Oct 22 18:56:16 yeah I'd love just a blank device of some sort to flash android onto :) Oct 22 18:56:30 the emulator sucks for developing :( Oct 22 18:56:52 hm, my Map-APIKEY works for GeoCoding, but not for the MapTiles :/ Oct 22 18:56:54 some of the guys have mentioned possibly selling a developer's device. so.. but its not for sale now and nobody has made any official statements Oct 22 18:57:10 chances are it'll cost more than the $400 that the retail version runs tho Oct 22 18:57:10 any ideas ? Oct 22 18:57:15 a developer device?! hot-damn I want one Oct 22 18:57:24 G1 wont be available in ireland probably ever Oct 22 18:57:30 so I need *something* to work on Oct 22 18:57:32 it would be nice to be able to build your own tweaked version of android on run it on your g1 with any carrier Oct 22 18:57:49 android has nothing to do with an unlocked baseband Oct 22 18:57:55 yah Oct 22 18:57:56 usually the baseband is on it's own cpu Oct 22 18:58:00 is its* Oct 22 18:58:19 there's a compelte disconnect with the phone OS and the unlockability Oct 22 18:58:20 the most you get from a custom flash of android is the ability to (maybe) reflash the gsm firmware. or (more likely) brick it forever.. Oct 22 18:58:29 i'm having trouble submitting a patch Oct 22 18:58:40 when i try to do 'git add' it says 'not a git repository' Oct 22 18:58:41 DarkriftX: you there? Oct 22 18:58:44 much more likely brticking it forever, since on the msm cpu the baseband controls the arm11 Oct 22 18:58:48 sup Oct 22 18:58:57 geist: ooh neat Oct 22 18:59:02 not really Oct 22 18:59:05 heh Oct 22 18:59:13 btw, if anyone wants the IM app to at least show *something* when you run it, you can edit _androiddir_/packages/apps/IM/src/com/android/im/app/ChooseAccountActivity.java Oct 22 18:59:22 mo0620: I just tried and I was able to play music from my device while plugged in the charger (which means the sdcard was not unmounted from the device) Oct 22 18:59:23 there's a != you can change to an = in that Oct 22 18:59:27 so you get gtalk to show up Oct 22 18:59:31 also means it's much harder to screw with the modem anyway, since it's relatively locked away Oct 22 18:59:33 DarkriftX: how to upload our apk in your forums? Oct 22 18:59:36 (but the rest of the lib isn't included, so can't work) Oct 22 18:59:37 am i supposed to keep this screen protector thing on my screen? Oct 22 18:59:49 lol… Oct 22 18:59:59 wastrel: No, but you might want to. Oct 22 19:00:03 http://android-dls.com/forum/index.php?f=7&rb_v=viewforum make a new topic and add it as an attachment Oct 22 19:00:11 ok Oct 22 19:00:17 or you can try to dcc it to me and ill put it up Oct 22 19:00:17 also remember that tmobile 3g isn't gonna be compatible with anyone else. so if you want "actual' 3g you need something like 2x the freqs of a "standard" 3g phone (usa-tmob-3g, usa-att-3g, eu-3g, ja-3g... maybe cn-3g i forget..) Oct 22 19:00:19 is it tested? Oct 22 19:00:24 thats gonna make it expensive Oct 22 19:00:32 wastrel: i took mine off. regret it. :( Oct 22 19:00:41 cliff, hi Oct 22 19:00:41 its better on. Oct 22 19:00:45 hey Oct 22 19:00:55 um i have never actually submitted anything with git so i probably can't help much :) Oct 22 19:00:55 repo doesn't seem to properly setup git Oct 22 19:00:59 me either Oct 22 19:01:00 I hate plastic on my screens, rip it off asap :D Oct 22 19:01:07 is there someone i should talk to? Oct 22 19:01:13 repo seems to set git up in a bad state Oct 22 19:01:13 i am hoping joe's web UI will at least make the review process easy :) Oct 22 19:01:21 yeah Oct 22 19:01:25 hackbod: you managed to avoid it after all this time? Oct 22 19:01:34 * Disconnect is gonna have to start carrying lens cleaners just to get hte smudges off the glass. the plastic protector wiped clean real easy Oct 22 19:01:48 guess git didn't ooze out of kernel land until pretty late Oct 22 19:01:48 remember google uses perforce Oct 22 19:01:55 we use a lot of things Oct 22 19:01:56 geist, the git repos were just made like a day or two ago! Oct 22 19:02:00 ;) Oct 22 19:02:01 wow Oct 22 19:02:18 DarkriftX: uploaded Oct 22 19:02:24 if you got a g1, run it ;) Oct 22 19:02:25 ty :) Oct 22 19:03:09 g1 is awesome!!!!! Oct 22 19:03:10 cliff, i'm not sure who is here who can help Oct 22 19:03:14 ok :) Oct 22 19:03:21 i think it's messed up, at least on OSX Oct 22 19:03:33 could very well be Oct 22 19:03:38 http://mobeegal.in/Mobeegal.apk Oct 22 19:03:46 rdy ? Oct 22 19:03:49 for anyone interested :) Oct 22 19:03:55 i follow the instructions, but the git metadata seems to just not be setup -- and then i can't use 'repo' to upload it, cause git doesn't prepare it Oct 22 19:04:24 muthu: what's that? Oct 22 19:04:34 muthu: it rns :) Oct 22 19:04:41 how do I connect adb to my G1? Oct 22 19:04:46 layout-error on the startup screen Oct 22 19:04:47 yay! Oct 22 19:04:59 Disconnect: screen protector products will be out within a week :] Oct 22 19:05:04 Disconnect: i hate screen protectors ;] Oct 22 19:05:15 tha >>| image is misplaced Oct 22 19:05:22 jeld: usb debug on (from application->dev) and usb storage off (simplifies things, once adb works you can experiment) and then just adb -d Oct 22 19:05:22 wastrel: I agree with you ;) Oct 22 19:05:29 plusminus_: really? Oct 22 19:05:30 and if linux, adb as root Oct 22 19:05:40 the UI sucks.. because i can't design anything ;) Oct 22 19:05:47 muthu: yes its half above the search button Oct 22 19:05:56 oh nooo Oct 22 19:05:58 click it Oct 22 19:06:01 cliff, a lot of people seem to be out at lunch right now... actually i need to get something too... i'll see who i can dig up a little later to help Oct 22 19:06:02 muthu: "Search complete - View Results" android in ALL Oct 22 19:06:07 im trying to install an .apk i built with eclipse and the latest SDK Oct 22 19:06:13 wastrel: yah my shieldzone thing is arriving shortly. i love them :) (random side note, if you want one do me a favor and order via the link @ www.gotontheinter.net - i get 10% :) ..) Oct 22 19:06:14 hackbod: ok no rush, i'm submitting a bug report too Oct 22 19:06:20 the phone says "(green check) App install unsuccessful." Oct 22 19:06:23 any ideas? Oct 22 19:06:30 jeld: developing on hardware doc: http://code.google.com/android/intro/develop-and-debug.html#developingondevicehardware Oct 22 19:06:37 1.0RC1 SDK i should say. Oct 22 19:06:47 xavd, thanx Oct 22 19:06:59 muthu: Results show up in all the different categories Oct 22 19:07:01 xavd: awesome link, that should go in topic Oct 22 19:07:17 umdk1d3: got a working ssh for me? :) Oct 22 19:07:21 plusminus_: yeah, all searches for all topics Oct 22 19:07:23 umdk1d3: sure, whoever is op can do it :) Oct 22 19:07:43 muthu: background behind the four buttons in 'Web' flashes up when pressing on of them Oct 22 19:07:52 Disconnect: lol not yet :P Oct 22 19:08:06 aww :( Oct 22 19:08:07 prolly going to work on it tomorrow :P need sleep badly Oct 22 19:08:09 muthu: could start app Oct 22 19:08:20 i was killing myslef hoping to have it ready for a market launch today Oct 22 19:08:20 ... youtube app by clickign on of the links Oct 22 19:08:29 but now its not til monday, so ill take my time Oct 22 19:08:30 "Hi Sergey.." :-D Oct 22 19:08:31 video works? Oct 22 19:08:34 plusminus_: ? Oct 22 19:08:40 "If you're developing on Mac OS X, it just works. Skip this step." - i like these instructions :D Oct 22 19:08:50 muthu: link to youtube Oct 22 19:08:56 oh great Oct 22 19:09:02 steventroughtons: :) Oct 22 19:09:27 umdk1d3: ..but i need ssh before monday! :( .. ok prolly don't, since i need to focus on my own apps instead of debugging someone else's, but still :P Oct 22 19:09:28 steventroughtons: it worked instantly on my gentoo box too ^.^ Oct 22 19:09:53 damn you people with actual hardware to test on! :P Oct 22 19:09:55 muthu: got 2 go bakc to AndNav now. its working too :) Oct 22 19:09:57 steventroughtons: weird, is like an actual...person wrote them. Oct 22 19:09:57 umdk1d3: good to know! did you ever play with the usb settings or is it out of the box? Oct 22 19:10:04 plusminus_: thanks Oct 22 19:10:34 np Oct 22 19:10:40 The requested URL /android/guide/developing/tools/ddms.html was not found on this server. Oct 22 19:10:41 ouch Oct 22 19:11:06 xavd: out of the box =D Oct 22 19:11:06 steventroughtons: where did you get that? Oct 22 19:11:09 http://code.google.com/android/reference/ddms.html Oct 22 19:11:11 umdk1d3: cool Oct 22 19:11:28 xavd: I clicked on the logcat link Oct 22 19:11:32 on the page you linked Oct 22 19:11:46 oh awesome i dont need jasons permission cuz this is public now ^.^ /me goes to write blogpost Oct 22 19:11:56 hello guys Oct 22 19:12:00 steventroughtons: confirmed. I'll file a bug for the doc writers Oct 22 19:12:10 xavd: cheers mate Oct 22 19:12:12 we need to figure out ssh so we can get some themes and customization going :) Oct 22 19:12:28 I would start making app for google android. I would to ask if there is (now or in future) UI designer for this OS Oct 22 19:12:34 plusminus_: romainguy is the "Improper call to JPEG library"-Bug fixed in the G1-version ? << no. I don't think so Oct 22 19:12:43 at this time seems I need to write code in order to design UI, right? Oct 22 19:13:01 oh AWESOME @ TI adding bluetooth+wlan drivers to android source Oct 22 19:13:04 malcom_: UI is laid out in xml Oct 22 19:13:06 malcom_: there is a visual designer with the Eclipse Android plugin Oct 22 19:13:10 malcom_, use the Graphical Layout Editor in the eclipse plugin Oct 22 19:13:16 great! Oct 22 19:13:22 ergh, eclipse :P Oct 22 19:13:23 is it a new feature of 1.0 sdk? Oct 22 19:13:37 malcom_: yes Oct 22 19:13:44 romainguy: Seems not to happen as far as I can see Oct 22 19:13:51 oh well that's a great thing. I'm waiting for it... I'm going to download it now :) Oct 22 19:14:03 Anyone tried Brain Genius Deluxe? Oct 22 19:14:07 is SSH possible yet? Oct 22 19:14:07 * malcom_ setup this chan in autojoin (finally) Oct 22 19:14:09 plusminus_: if that's the bug I'm thinking about, it depends on the connection speed Oct 22 19:14:20 It's cool, but Crate Rotate has the shittiest accelerometer sensing ever. Oct 22 19:14:26 It fucks up nearly half the time. Oct 22 19:14:59 ttuttle: i did but yah crate sucks Oct 22 19:15:19 and i had occasional issues with hitting the calculator-buttons correctly Oct 22 19:15:29 yeah Oct 22 19:16:15 every time I turn it left it goes right Oct 22 19:16:24 or maybe 1/3 of the time Oct 22 19:17:05 muthu, I have added it to the main downloads section, thx for the upload Oct 22 19:17:08 DEV QUESTION: i try to connect to a website diagrammatically but get an exception (host not found). I read that port 80 is being added to the host which screws it up Oct 22 19:17:34 DarkriftX: np Oct 22 19:17:57 mpardo: RANDOM COMMENT: Why are you prefixing your question with "dev question" in caps, and what does "diagrammatically" mean? Oct 22 19:18:13 oops Oct 22 19:18:16 programatically Oct 22 19:18:33 n i dont want my question getting lost in convo Oct 22 19:18:37 sry fer the caps Oct 22 19:18:40 it is all caps day tho Oct 22 19:18:51 yay shutter speed is back Oct 22 19:19:16 Laz: and I already got bad reviews for it :) Oct 22 19:19:25 damn users :p Oct 22 19:19:35 they are talking nonsense Oct 22 19:19:51 shutterspeed looks cool, i dont know what to put for the settings tho, im bad a photography lol Oct 22 19:20:58 anyone got an .apk to install via a web link? Oct 22 19:21:13 * jt436 goes to download shutter speed just to give it 5stars ;) Oct 22 19:21:20 only bad review i've posted so far is the crappy BoA webview "application" that just points to their 1995-era WAP-evolved mobile site :( Oct 22 19:21:45 donomo: I have, with connectbot. Oct 22 19:21:52 only thing that has me meh Oct 22 19:21:56 is battery life :( Oct 22 19:22:50 trashguy: you've gone through two cycles already? Oct 22 19:23:10 unix_lappy, no Oct 22 19:23:27 Lenolium: my .apk goes 99% of the way through the install process, but the last screen says "(green check) install unsuccessful" Oct 22 19:23:34 Lenolium: are you using sdk 1.0RC1 ? Oct 22 19:23:40 maybe im jaded by blackberry battery life Oct 22 19:23:43 jt436: don't have a speech to give or someting? :-P Oct 22 19:23:58 ha, yeah not until 4:30 Oct 22 19:24:34 ohh i like the e-mail client Oct 22 19:24:47 * jasta is gonna look into getting IMAP IDLE working this weekend Oct 22 19:24:58 grr odd when doing -d uninstall [package]: Oct 22 19:24:58 Can't dispatch DDM chunk 52454151: no handler defined Oct 22 19:24:58 Can't dispatch DDM chunk 48454c4f: no handler defined Oct 22 19:24:59 I don't like the email client for one thing: it won't let you accept bad SSL certificates. Oct 22 19:25:02 jasta: i'd like it more if i could use it. no way to trust non-commercial certs (self-signed, cacert, etc) Oct 22 19:25:04 heh Oct 22 19:25:20 ohh are you serious? that's lame Oct 22 19:25:21 Lenolium: i have a patch, i think. Oct 22 19:25:33 building now, if i get it i'll rename it (so it can install) and post the apk somewhere Oct 22 19:25:58 Disconnect: That would make me (and someone else in a different channel who is having the exact same problem) very happy Oct 22 19:26:06 umdk1d3: that happens sometimes. you can ignore it Oct 22 19:26:21 yah it drives me batty too. the answer of "turn off ssl" is .. not good. Oct 22 19:26:39 turn off ssl Oct 22 19:26:44 sounds like microsoft advice Oct 22 19:26:45 (as i said at the time, its not like you ever use a cellphone in a hostile network environment :) ..) Oct 22 19:26:48 yah well Oct 22 19:27:04 Disconnect: change from "Require SSL" to the other one Oct 22 19:27:08 Disconnect: SSL if available, I think Oct 22 19:27:16 Disconnect, i pretty much assume all wireless networks hostile Oct 22 19:27:16 Disconnect: well bad and self signed. Oct 22 19:27:23 Disconnect: it's not ideal, but it does what you want Oct 22 19:27:24 gdsx: that's the same as turn off ssl -it'll try, then when it finds a bad key it'll fall back to no ssl Oct 22 19:27:35 does anyone know how to fix a "host is unresolved" error? Oct 22 19:27:44 jasta: which email client you talking about? Oct 22 19:27:52 the email one, not gmail Oct 22 19:27:59 it looks tidy Oct 22 19:28:11 Disconnect: you're sure? I complained about the same thing and an Email person said that should work Oct 22 19:28:14 lol, i get EDGE service at my house, lame Oct 22 19:28:25 jasta: it needs the ability to move a message, and search ability Oct 22 19:28:29 jasta: me too but then again, thats cuz its just EDGE in DC :) Oct 22 19:28:33 what the hell it cant search? Oct 22 19:28:35 jasta: It beats GPRS. ;) Oct 22 19:28:44 gdsx: easy enough to find out, my firewall blocks non-ssl imap so.. testing now Oct 22 19:28:47 AT&T ftw. Oct 22 19:28:57 jasta: at&ts 3g stomps tmob anyway tho Oct 22 19:29:03 but verizon can stomp them both Oct 22 19:29:09 At home you can do WiFi... Oct 22 19:29:31 Disconnect: Not really.. Oct 22 19:29:40 Disconnect: T-Mob's edge is faster than AT&T's by far Oct 22 19:29:42 Disconnect: i'm guessing verizon will dump some CDMA 3G phones on the market here pretty soon. Oct 22 19:29:43 fadden: except i'm trying to test/use my app ... Oct 22 19:29:47 and using it on wi-fi is a crap test ;) Oct 22 19:29:52 in my area at least. Oct 22 19:30:00 xorl: that's certainly not true here Oct 22 19:30:11 jasta: with t-mobile I'd assume most users are on edge still Oct 22 19:30:13 trust me, i've been doing a LOT of performance benchmarks with AT&T for the past year Oct 22 19:30:15 I was getting almost 20-30 kb/sec faster on t-mob over edge than AT&T Oct 22 19:30:17 oooh its broken anyway. localhost is not an ok HELO :) Oct 22 19:30:21 but it looks like that worked :) Oct 22 19:30:27 and AT&T's EDGE network dominated T-Mobile's. And their 3G coverage is much higher :) Oct 22 19:30:29 And 3G (untested at this time) Oct 22 19:30:35 but AT&T regulates there 3G like wow. Oct 22 19:30:52 xorl: 20-30kb/s *faster*? both of these technologies top out around 200kbps. Oct 22 19:30:54 jasta: I wouldnt know anything about that. Oct 22 19:30:56 ..thats something i'm willing to patch for now but Oct 22 19:30:58 err, both of those networks, i mean Oct 22 19:31:00 jasta: yes Oct 22 19:31:07 I was getting 127 kb/s on AT&T Oct 22 19:31:07 jasta: but the alternative is getting an iPhone and not being able to pair. Oct 22 19:31:12 and getting over 150 on T-Mob Oct 22 19:31:21 do you mean kbps or KB? Oct 22 19:31:27 lowercase b ;) Oct 22 19:31:37 ahh, well that i can believe ;) Oct 22 19:31:42 though its not true here hehe Oct 22 19:31:51 (san diego) it's certainly true. Oct 22 19:31:58 that's ok tho, i'm still really happy with this device Oct 22 19:32:15 i will just be anxiously awaiting a device that can operate on AT&T's 3G band :) Oct 22 19:32:16 jasta, how does five run on the device? Oct 22 19:32:25 dream is the only phone htc makes that gets signal in my house, makes me happy Oct 22 19:32:26 tethridge: great when you can manage to find 3G service Oct 22 19:33:00 cliff: haha when I had the iPhone 3G for the few months that I did, I would have dropped signal ALL over hell Oct 22 19:33:09 so without 3g, the bandwidth required to stream makes it unusable? Oct 22 19:33:25 five, that is Oct 22 19:33:55 well, on T-mobile's network in my tests, yes. Oct 22 19:34:00 on AT&T's network in my tests with my old phone, no. Oct 22 19:34:02 so YMMV Oct 22 19:34:29 jasta, does the server resample the music? Oct 22 19:34:30 (that is, T-Mobile's EDGE speed here is about 80kbps, AT&T's was 220kbps) Oct 22 19:34:31 About 3G speeds: http://cnettv.cnet.com/2001-1_53-50004143.html?tag=mncol;txt Oct 22 19:34:38 tethridge: not currently, but it will soon Oct 22 19:34:46 i'm compiling a list of things to change next to make it work better in practice Oct 22 19:34:52 but on 3G, it doesn't much matter. 3G performed well Oct 22 19:35:07 Cedric2: that video is useless Oct 22 19:35:32 music ota without 3g is rough Oct 22 19:35:43 on 3g its excellent Oct 22 19:35:51 Cedric2: lol, are you for real? Oct 22 19:35:52 CNET? Oct 22 19:35:54 so did you guys experience any long lines when picking up your g1? Oct 22 19:36:18 tethridge: hardly. there was a line of like 20 people at the t-mob store i went to. there were 30 units available, so they didnt even sell out Oct 22 19:36:26 i was there for about 20 minutes and got mine Oct 22 19:36:29 so for the record, gdsx is correct :) but there -really- needs to be a note about that in the error dialog. Oct 22 19:36:30 Haha Android modding ftw! http://twitpic.com/hlrj Oct 22 19:36:43 and i'm unhappy with it not actually verifying that the cert is unchanged :( Oct 22 19:36:51 damn the accelerometer works fine !! Oct 22 19:37:17 what's different? Oct 22 19:37:33 Disconnect: folks are working on it Oct 22 19:37:33 the drawer tab? Oct 22 19:37:39 gdsx: awsome Oct 22 19:37:51 tethridge: yes Oct 22 19:38:02 steventroughtons: I don't get it. They just changed the color of the drawer? Oct 22 19:38:12 vol: I changed it Oct 22 19:38:19 who's 'they' ? Oct 22 19:38:25 you, I guess Oct 22 19:38:29 :P Oct 22 19:38:30 they being "whoever made that picture" Oct 22 19:38:33 jasta: I remember you saying that this device was purely for development and your main phone will remain an iPhone.... Oct 22 19:38:52 i dont think you remember me saying that because i dont own an iphone, nor do i want one Oct 22 19:38:53 unix_lappy, you know better than that Oct 22 19:39:01 can I translate google android and upload it to source.android.com? Oct 22 19:39:08 having the android.jar source attached in eclipse is bliss Oct 22 19:39:25 hmm, must've been plusminus_ then...one of you two that were early adopters. Oct 22 19:39:46 there's a drawer? Oct 22 19:40:01 i am gonna have a lot of fun with this thing :) Oct 22 19:40:03 man im excited Oct 22 19:40:12 but i gotta get some features banged out of five today to make it more usable Oct 22 19:40:18 wastrel, that's what the repository for the apps is called Oct 22 19:40:32 Dougie187 brought up a good one, Five should support mutliple server addresses for the same source Oct 22 19:40:37 so you can have one for wi-fi, one for inet Oct 22 19:40:52 Has anyone used the setNextFocusXxxId methods/attributes and got them to work? Oct 22 19:40:59 and switch between them without reconfiguring your router to understand that foo.dyndns.org should point to a machine in your network from your network Oct 22 19:42:36 any of the google apps guys here, specifically calendar-knowledgeable? Oct 22 19:43:09 Hurray GPS working outside. Oct 22 19:43:32 can I translate google Android? Oct 22 19:43:46 i hope the OTA update will allow us to save apps to the SD card!!!! cant wait Oct 22 19:44:01 I want to be able to reorder apps :/ Oct 22 19:45:14 mo0620: its technically possible but its more complicated than just enabling it. big rewrite of parts of android - apps are constrained by user/group info and thats not stored on sd cards Oct 22 19:45:17 reorder? Oct 22 19:45:25 you don't like alphabetization? : ( Oct 22 19:45:29 no! Oct 22 19:45:45 there are ways of emulating that stuff on FAT Oct 22 19:45:46 but it's grody Oct 22 19:45:47 I dont want all my a* or b* apps taking precedence :) Oct 22 19:45:57 mo0620: you could carve out a block of space to be mounted loopback as (eg) ext2 with user/group info, or use userspace filesystem as an overlay, but none of that is written Oct 22 19:46:52 mo0620: and when it comes down to it, at some point in that process an app can get access to all the info, etc from another app without breaking the existing security mechanism Oct 22 19:47:32 geist: i'm working on it :) Oct 22 19:48:21 SanMehat: get to it! Oct 22 19:48:36 geist: yes sir! Oct 22 19:49:15 steventroughtons: place them on the desktop? Oct 22 19:49:24 i'd rather not Oct 22 19:49:39 on all platforms I always have my desktop clear Oct 22 19:49:41 one thing you really take for granted about developing for a real device versus an emulator is that users like to tinker Oct 22 19:49:44 a lot Oct 22 19:49:56 i broke my own app by just wandering around it in a way that i wouldnt normally with the emu Oct 22 19:50:42 my 3g is going in and out Oct 22 19:50:57 should i stand near the window ? :] Oct 22 19:51:32 jasta: i read "wandering around in a way" and thought "how often do you carry your desktop around the room testing teh app?" :) Oct 22 19:51:36 you should put your hands up in the air Oct 22 19:51:43 Disconnect: sounds confusing lol, i will just try to enjoy my g1 as much as i can lol Oct 22 19:52:38 wastrel: which city are you in? Oct 22 19:53:14 nyc Oct 22 19:53:30 encontradoafk: which hand? Oct 22 19:53:59 wastrel: that's disconcerting. Oct 22 19:54:10 um, the one that isn't otherwise occupied? Oct 22 19:54:59 wastrel, my 3g also fluctuates Oct 22 19:55:04 it's strange Oct 22 19:55:09 I'm also in nyc Oct 22 19:55:28 it jumps between 1 and 3 bars regularly Oct 22 19:55:38 alright, my G1 should be here tomorrow Oct 22 19:55:56 and it does it in different areas Oct 22 19:56:03 standing still, or moving Oct 22 19:56:21 It's disconcerting b/c if they can't roll out 3G effectively in a large city like NYC with high population density then liklihood of it being decent in Texas is slim. Oct 22 19:56:24 hopefully that gets better in the next few months Oct 22 19:56:35 at least you're in 3g territory Oct 22 19:56:38 gdsx: if you're still talking to the devs it'd be nice if there was a way to sub/unsub folders either per-device or at least for the imap account. (per-device is better, since its slightly out of spec but totally legit to not want a ton of folders on the phone that you want on your desktop) Oct 22 19:56:45 on my way to work i go between gprs, evdo, and 3g Oct 22 19:56:50 I get gprs in the office, and at home Oct 22 19:57:02 * Disconnect is headed to baltimore this weekend to hang out, will try to fall in love with 3g while there Oct 22 19:57:07 don't the buildings make providings srvice a pain? Oct 22 19:57:23 because there's shadows, reflection, it's just a headache for wireless in nyc. Oct 22 19:57:37 whereas in texas, there's no buildings, it's all on big flat plain Oct 22 19:57:59 i'm getting zero web service Oct 22 19:58:07 vol: evdo? Oct 22 19:58:13 If I may ask a question here. I got the "Mysterious build failure when javac isn't present" as described on http://source.android.com/known-issues Oct 22 19:58:24 you must have a cdma device... Oct 22 19:58:28 I have made sure javac is in my PATH Oct 22 19:58:30 cavaughan: can you run "javac" from your shell? Oct 22 19:58:31 but still same error Oct 22 19:58:50 What's the first line of "javac -version" ? Oct 22 19:59:11 it says that the program javac can be found inthe following packages Oct 22 19:59:22 so I guess somethings not completely right Oct 22 19:59:29 Yup. Oct 22 19:59:34 the screen is a little creaky when you're tapping on it & it's closed Oct 22 20:00:03 how do I force a ListView/GridView to invalidate a single child? (ie, call the adapter.getView for that child if visible) ? Oct 22 20:00:07 oooh, the spoon is not here :S Oct 22 20:01:07 zhobbs: getChildAt(...).invalidate() Oct 22 20:01:23 and you can convert from position to child index using getFirstVisiblePosition() Oct 22 20:01:42 interesting OK, there's a link to javac, but it's a broken link Oct 22 20:01:43 romainguy_: that will call the getView for the adapter, or just invalidate the View the adapter previously supplied? Oct 22 20:02:16 it will invalidate the view currently on screen Oct 22 20:02:26 don't call adapter.getView() directly, it won't do anything Oct 22 20:02:37 oooh email broke :( Oct 22 20:03:06 If I'm reading the code correctly, android:nextFocusDir only works for views in the same layout? Has anyone used these attributes? Oct 22 20:03:14 romainguy_: hmmm, anyway to make it actually call getView() again for that child? Oct 22 20:03:15 neat. "E/AndroidRuntime( 1199): Uncaught handler: thread Thread-7 exiting due to uncaught exception / E/AndroidRuntime( 1199): java.lang.OutOfMemoryError" Oct 22 20:03:18 tomgibara: er yes Oct 22 20:03:27 tomgibara: they have to be in the same view tree at least Oct 22 20:03:28 wonder if its gonna do that every time i open a large email Oct 22 20:04:09 romainguy_: Does that mean they have a shared ancestor view? Because isn't that guaranteed in the context of a single window? Oct 22 20:04:34 romainguy: yes Oct 22 20:05:03 hmm, I just can't get them to work - and they should be very simple Oct 22 20:06:16 did you guys see that google is advertising the g1 on the main google.com page? Oct 22 20:06:32 it points here: http://www.google.com/intl/en_us/mobile/android/hpp.html Oct 22 20:06:37 Disconnect: anything interesting a couple of lines above that in the log? Oct 22 20:06:38 neat Oct 22 20:07:11 romainguy_: btw I tracked down that odd homescreen - it's what happens when you're stupid enough to temporarily hide the content view of your activity by accident. Oct 22 20:07:31 haha :) Oct 22 20:07:41 your window would have to be transparent too Oct 22 20:07:45 it was :) Oct 22 20:07:55 go go google gadets Oct 22 20:07:58 *gadgets Oct 22 20:08:35 fadden: http://pastie.org/private/2qavaepc1t8dfkjwwy6y9q Oct 22 20:08:40 its a monster-sized email Oct 22 20:08:50 Disconnect: file a bug Oct 22 20:09:20 romainguy_: yah got a few to file when i get home. and a feature request - 2s 'grace period' on autolock (so if it goes blank you have 2s or so to hit a button and bring it back) Oct 22 20:09:30 E/dalvikvm-heap( 1199): Out of memory on a 1827912-byte allocation. Oct 22 20:09:35 yah Oct 22 20:09:40 The heap was already at 12MB. Oct 22 20:09:42 is it possible to direct link to an app in Market? Oct 22 20:09:47 So it's not happy. Oct 22 20:10:36 Some other unhappiness going on in there: Process com.google.process.gapps (pid 142) has died. Oct 22 20:10:52 325k Oct 22 20:11:20 its been chunky all day under use, things like home app timing out (and 'wait' causes a recovery/redaw in about 30s) Oct 22 20:12:21 Disconnect: try "adb bugreport > bug.txt" Oct 22 20:12:59 do i need the G1 out of mass storage mode to install an app over adb? Oct 22 20:13:22 donomo: shouldn't; app install does need to access /sdcard Oct 22 20:13:31 How can one tell if a mp4 contains a hint track? Oct 22 20:13:34 hmm. 'adb devices' shows nothing Oct 22 20:13:36 does EDGE support dual transfer mode??? Oct 22 20:14:15 or the G1 i guess Oct 22 20:14:19 donomo: you've been through http://code.google.com/android/intro/develop-and-debug.html#developingondevicehardware ? Oct 22 20:14:30 do extra question marks help get a question answered faster? Oct 22 20:14:50 mc: maybe!!!!!!! Oct 22 20:15:12 omg?! Oct 22 20:15:31 good to know Oct 22 20:15:39 i guess not... but they get a response from smart asses i guess Oct 22 20:15:54 fadden: i have not. that will probably do the trick. thanks! Oct 22 20:18:32 fadden: got the bug report, gotta remove some info real quick Oct 22 20:19:47 wonder if I went into the T-Mobile store Oct 22 20:19:53 cancelled my shipment and just got it in store. Oct 22 20:20:17 I really don't want to wait till Nov. 10th. Oct 22 20:20:36 xorl: if its already shipped, maybe not. otherwise should be fine. Oct 22 20:20:46 yeah hasn't shipped at all Oct 22 20:21:01 if it's already shipped, and you do it, make sure you deny delivery as return to sender Oct 22 20:21:04 anyone else in NYC? i'm not getting web at all Oct 22 20:21:09 <- Oct 22 20:21:11 lemme check Oct 22 20:21:13 can do email Oct 22 20:21:23 gmail rather Oct 22 20:21:54 fadden: ok bug.txt is huge what do you want done with it? Oct 22 20:22:02 wastrel, I pulled up engadget just fine Oct 22 20:22:10 (well, relatively huge. 1.3M) Oct 22 20:22:13 are you guys ircing on your phones? Oct 22 20:22:19 Disconnect: that's normal Oct 22 20:22:35 Dougie187, I would if I found a decent irc app for android Oct 22 20:22:42 lol Oct 22 20:22:45 why don't you write one? Oct 22 20:22:46 nope Oct 22 20:22:47 I'm not interested in ssh'ing Oct 22 20:22:47 stores sold out Oct 22 20:22:48 Disconnect: I don't know if our external bug tracking system can handle it Oct 22 20:22:51 they're selling like hot cakes Oct 22 20:23:00 guy said the store sold all 50 units by 11 Oct 22 20:23:01 Dougie187, because I don't have the time to develop the skillset to develop the app Oct 22 20:23:03 Why don't you gzip it and mail it to me... Oct 22 20:23:22 ok Oct 22 20:23:27 Dougie187, I'm working on it, just at quarter-impulse Oct 22 20:23:34 heh Oct 22 20:23:51 So the update is going to come out tomorrow? Oct 22 20:23:53 if I want to cross compile the android code, how can I do this? Do I just set the CC environment variable to my cross compiler tool chain? Oct 22 20:23:55 or... an update? Oct 22 20:23:56 (sorry if this is a FAQ: I have build errors with Android, same problem as http://groups.google.com/group/android-internals/browse_thread/thread/1561a2ff06dcc993/f575ba0d073301ee - anyone help) Oct 22 20:24:06 romainguy_: I'm not sure, but just perusing FocusFinder.java makes me think that the algorithm is wrong: findNextFocus(...) checks for a user defined view in the current root but if it doesn't find it there, proceeds to find one based on getFocusables(). I don't think this is what you want because a default view which is closer in the hierarchy will always be chosen over a user specified one. Oct 22 20:24:09 Dougie187, assume the update is going to be applied in a staggered manner Oct 22 20:24:14 http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/22/t-mobile-g1-software-update-to-be-pushed-out-tomorrow/ Oct 22 20:24:15 not all at once Oct 22 20:24:18 Probably. Oct 22 20:25:34 anyone know of stores reporting that they are sold out? Oct 22 20:25:51 i need to find someone with a g1 so i can stab them and take it Oct 22 20:26:11 mc, dude.. I've been flashing my G1 everywhere, and seriously, no one's interested Oct 22 20:26:22 i'll take it Oct 22 20:26:23 :) Oct 22 20:26:39 tomgibara: no because if there's a user defined view it returns this view directly Oct 22 20:26:46 DrTune: I was able to get past that by doing a new repo sync and switching to Python2.5 Oct 22 20:27:02 tomgibara: anyway, feel free to file bugs or submit patches Oct 22 20:27:12 bricode: cool thanks Oct 22 20:27:17 romainguy_: no, because it only returns the user defined view if it's in the root Oct 22 20:27:17 never question the focus finder at first glace... or second... or third... :) Oct 22 20:28:02 hackbod: Yes, that won't be my first patch, I promise, or my second... or third :) Oct 22 20:28:03 tomgibara: but in the normal focusing case, the root is the ViewRoot Oct 22 20:28:07 which means the tip of the views hierarchy Oct 22 20:28:19 duh, okay Oct 22 20:28:35 (and I second hackbod, the focus code is definitely not bug free but much more complicated and subtle than it seems :)) Oct 22 20:28:39 * romainguy_ slaps touch mode Oct 22 20:28:53 * romainguy_ is still waiting for the first ListView patches :p Oct 22 20:29:10 doh. maybe its time to go home - just carefully set a new server to the same ip as the server i set up immediately before.... Oct 22 20:29:10 romainguy, stop being lazy and expecting others to do your job for you! Oct 22 20:29:24 Cedric2: you say that just because your stuff is not open sourced :) Oct 22 20:29:35 romainguy_: do you think a ListView.invalidateChild(int position) makes sense? Oct 22 20:30:08 depends what you mean by invalidate Oct 22 20:30:25 (actually no, whatever you mean by invalidate, I don't think it makes sense :) Oct 22 20:30:29 hehe Oct 22 20:30:41 if a child changes, it should call invalidate() on itself Oct 22 20:31:11 if by invalidate you mean call adapter.getView() again, then definitely no Oct 22 20:31:24 hmm, well I have logic in getView() that I would rather not replicate into my Activity Oct 22 20:31:40 then don't Oct 22 20:31:52 just send a notifyDataSetChange Oct 22 20:32:01 or call ListView.invalidateViews() Oct 22 20:32:59 k Oct 22 20:33:02 Launching the emulator with -system and -kernel options works only from the shell where we built the code Oct 22 20:33:28 on any other shell the emulator skin is missing Oct 22 20:33:39 anyone seen this? Oct 22 20:34:00 invalidateViews() slows me down too much....guess I'm just going to getChildAt() and then edit this view as necessary Oct 22 20:34:06 anyone has good experience running gdbserver to debug on the emulator? Oct 22 20:34:37 igorv: in the history of the world, nobody has had a good experience running gdbserver. Oct 22 20:35:00 haha, unfortunately, this is the only way to debug native code Oct 22 20:35:35 igorv: it does work, mostly; I'm not sure if you have all the pieces Oct 22 20:35:51 fadden: we can't seem to make gdb stop at any of the breakpoints, even if we set it on the first line of main() Oct 22 20:36:18 fadden: what pieces do we need besides pushing gdbserver to the emulator? Oct 22 20:36:38 BTW, the instructions say to use JDK5.0 update 12 or higher. Can I use JDK 6.0? Oct 22 20:36:39 You need to have the host side set up, but it sounds like you may have that. Oct 22 20:37:07 In particular, you need it to see the build tree shared libs that have the symbols. Oct 22 20:37:11 cavaughan: yes you can Oct 22 20:37:28 cavaughan: just don't use the @Override annotation on interfaces methods if you plan to send patches Oct 22 20:37:45 igorv: I've chiefly used it when things break, which is at times a bit dodgy of itself Oct 22 20:37:57 Breakpoints might be stretching the bounds. :-) Oct 22 20:38:14 s/of itself/in and of itself/ Oct 22 20:41:21 hmmm there a good place to just get like PSD's or something of the android logo, the text, not the android itself? Oct 22 20:41:25 or both Oct 22 20:42:14 on the terminal window that runs gdbserver, we get the message that process is created and then on the other terminal window where we run gdb, we get the message "remote debugging using local host" so I think the host side is set up Oct 22 20:42:28 man i've called every t-mobile store within 60 miles of here Oct 22 20:42:32 they are ALL sold out of the G1 Oct 22 20:42:34 It would have been neat to have a graph of the number of users in #android over the past year or so :-) Oct 22 20:42:58 Unless I'm mistaken, there are about 40 more people in here now than there were a few hours before the source code announcement. Oct 22 20:43:12 heh Oct 22 20:43:14 i could go through my logs Oct 22 20:43:16 pawalls: it will build up fruther Oct 22 20:43:17 xori - i got 3 earlier, and they had 20 left Oct 22 20:43:28 poetic_folly|G5: Here in San Diego they were *gone* Oct 22 20:43:33 I called all the stores. Oct 22 20:43:47 noooooooooo web service :p Oct 22 20:43:58 lame... I'm in Tampa. I was surprised. meant to get up early, THAT didn't happen. Strolled in at 1:30Pm and picked up 3 Oct 22 20:44:00 xorl: I can give you a demo in SD if you want one Oct 22 20:44:02 googlephone is useless! :] Oct 22 20:44:17 you can't get them in michigan, I had to order one Oct 22 20:44:17 they're still available here in Bellevue, WA Oct 22 20:44:22 faden: when we do nm on the executable it has the symbol for main resolved and I assume that libc is on the emulator Oct 22 20:44:31 i absolutely can't show this off to my co-workers until web works... fortunately it's almost 5:00 Oct 22 20:44:35 supposedly it will be here tomorrow though Oct 22 20:44:43 wastrel: call T-Mobile customer support :) Oct 22 20:44:46 wastrel: wifi? Oct 22 20:45:05 welcome zodttd Oct 22 20:45:08 So... I dont want to ask the wrong questions here... I was hoping to be able to ssh from my new G1 phone, but ConnectBot doesnt work for me.. is there a way to get to a shell prompt yet, so I can just install openssl? :) Oct 22 20:45:10 I assume you can access web features through wifi right? Oct 22 20:45:11 Hi pf! :) Oct 22 20:45:12 RIGHT? Oct 22 20:45:20 tmccrary: 3g Oct 22 20:45:27 anyone else on gdbserver help? Oct 22 20:45:29 uxley: was wondering same thing, just joining the scene here Oct 22 20:45:33 no wifi here. Oct 22 20:45:54 well i might be able to find an open AP Oct 22 20:46:11 poetic: Yeah, I was hoping I would be able to login to my servers from day one :) Oct 22 20:46:15 uxley, ConnectBot is flaky, but it does work if you get around the weird UI behavior. Oct 22 20:46:36 pawalls: I couldn't get it to work on the G1, is that what you have? Oct 22 20:46:45 uxley, Yes. Oct 22 20:46:49 weird... Oct 22 20:47:00 did you compile it, or use the package? Oct 22 20:47:10 in the market, can you see another level besides >10,000 downloads? Oct 22 20:47:30 uxley, Used the apk from their site. Oct 22 20:47:40 rats, I tried that Oct 22 20:47:50 it loads but wont connect and gives me a crash error Oct 22 20:47:50 uxley, What problem are you having? Oct 22 20:48:05 I cant generate public keys either Oct 22 20:48:08 uxley, From initial install, I run it. click menu > add host Oct 22 20:48:43 pawalls: hang on a sec, I'm trying again to give u the error Oct 22 20:48:49 uxley, Enter user/host data.. use the scroll wheel to go to bottom right button Oct 22 20:49:00 pawalls: I figured that out Oct 22 20:49:18 romainguy_: I won't labour it here, but I'm pretty sure it's a bug that I'll file later: ViewRoot calls View.focusSearch() which in turn calls ViewGroup.focusSearch() which specifies itself as the root for FocusFinder.findNextFocus() Oct 22 20:49:35 pawalls: it gives me: the application Connectbot (process org.theb.ssh) has stopped unexpectedly. Please try again Oct 22 20:49:39 uxley, Then use the touch screen to select the newly created item.. (pawalls@xxx.xxx) Oct 22 20:49:47 ok why is not by application taking latitude and longitude coordinates when i pass manually through ddms. i am using locationmanager.getLastKnownlocation( as get Currentlocation is depreciated in current version) Oct 22 20:49:51 uxley, Then type the password and *press the ok button with your finger* Oct 22 20:49:56 If you use the scroll wheel, it breaks. Oct 22 20:50:02 uxley: I don't have the option to generate keys with connectbot on G1 Oct 22 20:50:07 manage keys is greyed out Oct 22 20:50:12 it never gives me a password prompt Oct 22 20:50:14 tomgibara: which is fine Oct 22 20:50:22 tomgibara: because in this case the view group is the top level view anyway Oct 22 20:50:27 uxley, Ah.. You could open it up w/ the eclipse plugin? :-) Oct 22 20:50:33 To see the full backtrace. Oct 22 20:50:42 or use logcat Oct 22 20:50:59 is is possiable to change the color of toast messages? Oct 22 20:51:18 well, I'm not a dev so that stuff is kinda over my head. I'm wanting to become a developer, but I was hoping I could first ssh into my boxes :D then be able to have the time to develop Oct 22 20:51:46 we need an android user channel, methinks Oct 22 20:51:50 * pawalls chuckles. Oct 22 20:52:03 uxley, Well.. it's a bug in connectbot, hopefully now that they can get real devices they will work out the kinks. Oct 22 20:52:19 i'm working to set up a dev environment at home this evening Oct 22 20:52:20 can we SSH TO the G1? Oct 22 20:52:20 indeed Oct 22 20:52:29 but my java-fu is tiny Oct 22 20:52:33 how so? Oct 22 20:52:37 compared to my ruby-fu, at least Oct 22 20:52:39 i second Death_Syn Oct 22 20:52:40 Death_Syn: it's dead easy. Oct 22 20:52:50 Is there any such way to get to the 'terminal' on this phone? so I could just install openssl? :D Oct 22 20:52:59 though, I don't have a G1 to test out a full "dev environment" Oct 22 20:53:08 i got my G1 today, I love it so far Oct 22 20:53:12 romainguy: No see View.focusSearch(int direction) it calls mParent.focusSearch(this, direction) making its parent ViewGroup the root of the focus search. Oct 22 20:53:17 connectbot lets me get to my boxes that aren't key-only Oct 22 20:53:31 uxley: that's what i'm wondering. I want to ssh to the G1. and SFTP. Oct 22 20:53:33 but as soon as I can support keys, it'll be greatness Oct 22 20:53:38 so anyone got a custom kernel running on their G1? is it possible? Oct 22 20:53:53 why would you need a custom kernel already? Oct 22 20:54:03 it's open, no? Oct 22 20:54:06 nemik: possible, maybe. easy, no. Oct 22 20:54:07 romainguy_: Anyway irrespective of that, I'll just file it, it's paring down a test case that will take time - it's a complex layout. Oct 22 20:54:35 i also want to update androidchat to work on a modern box Oct 22 20:54:42 unix_lappy: so booting debian ARM or something from SD card, also out? Oct 22 20:55:33 nemik: you wouldnt have a functional GSM stack, or any drivers to do anything useful. Oct 22 20:55:42 nemik: it's again unclear why on earth that would be useful Oct 22 20:56:06 unix_lappy: so all that is still binary? or not even released? Oct 22 20:56:08 i wouldn't mind having an sshd running on my phone to play with Oct 22 20:56:15 but its not important to me yet Oct 22 20:56:22 * languish hugs Death_Syn Oct 22 20:56:32 poetic_folly|G5, Generally speaking.. when you're near a computer, you probably have a USB cable handy so you can just plug it in and use it as a USB mass storage device ;-) Oct 22 20:56:33 i fear hitting that 5GB limit Oct 22 20:56:37 any ideas for this build error: Java: clearsilver (out/host/common/obj/JAVA_LIBRARIES/clearsilver_intermediates/classes) Oct 22 20:56:37 Unrecognized option : 9999999 Oct 22 20:56:44 thanks languish Oct 22 20:57:00 it's for doing AndroidChat Oct 22 20:57:01 pawalls, yah, that works too. I just am used to command line. :D Oct 22 20:57:04 :) Oct 22 20:58:01 anyone have a pointer to how you start the emulator once you've built android? Oct 22 20:58:17 I've built it on my mac, but I'm at a slight loss on how to launch it now. Oct 22 20:58:28 `find . -name emulator` Oct 22 20:59:15 haha, cool Oct 22 20:59:33 poetic_folly|G5, ./adb push ? :-P Oct 22 20:59:46 I tried that :) Oct 22 21:00:59 jruby on dalvik.. will it happen? Oct 22 21:01:05 i hadn't tried it yet... Oct 22 21:01:11 tomgibara: yes, but that bubbles up to the root Oct 22 21:01:15 dalvik/dx/src/com/android/dx/cf/code/Simulator.java won't work Oct 22 21:01:21 soma-: its being experimented with Oct 22 21:01:22 tomgibara: each parent calls focusSearch on its parent, until you reach the top level parent Oct 22 21:01:40 cool Oct 22 21:01:53 http://review.source.android.com/r/88d6d4444d22 Oct 22 21:01:54 tomgibara: then it checks for user set "next focus views" set on the currently focused view Oct 22 21:02:01 tomgibara: if there is one, it uses it Oct 22 21:02:12 is there anything else i need to submit? Oct 22 21:02:17 or is it now in the system Oct 22 21:03:14 soma-: http://markmail.org/search/?q=android+list%3Aorg.codehaus.jruby.user Oct 22 21:05:04 ah.. thanks Oct 22 21:07:34 romainguy_: I demure to your expertise in this, I'll try to get a clean test case so that you diagnose my problem. Oct 22 21:08:23 roooofl /me watches monkey go crazy Oct 22 21:08:42 * waldo_ is away: auto-away Oct 22 21:08:48 anyone know of installable issue tracking software powered by git? Oct 22 21:13:15 is there a good way of reading info from my manifest programatically at runtime? Oct 22 21:14:55 umdk1d3: what do you need to read? Oct 22 21:15:07 the app name and versionCode/versionNumber Oct 22 21:15:09 if possible Oct 22 21:15:22 *versionName rather Oct 22 21:15:27 has anyone go the entire os working on anything besides the dream yrt? Oct 22 21:15:40 yet even Oct 22 21:15:46 umdk1d3: you probably can through teh Application object Oct 22 21:16:00 ok, not with Application Oct 22 21:16:04 I don't know then, ask hackbod :) Oct 22 21:16:08 Compare Everywhere or ShopSavvy? Any opinions? Oct 22 21:16:10 hmm yea version is up in Oct 22 21:16:11 BruteFrce define "the entire OS" since some components require carrier support Oct 22 21:16:28 err Oct 22 21:17:24 umdk1d3: ask tomgibara. His veecheck library does it. Oct 22 21:17:39 Can you enable routing like usual on the G1? Oct 22 21:17:40 ooh veecheck sounds interesting Oct 22 21:17:50 like cat 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4 or whatever? Oct 22 21:17:55 Yeah it's real cool. Oct 22 21:18:17 But he uses veecheck to test your app verision in the manifest file. Oct 22 21:18:31 So, if anyone would know how to do it, I'm guess he would. Oct 22 21:18:47 check* (not test) Oct 22 21:19:01 Talking about veecheck? Oct 22 21:19:10 Yep. Oct 22 21:19:34 tomgibara: awesome Oct 22 21:19:38 ah ok, you start android on the mac like this: $ out/host/darwin-x86/bin/emulator -system out/target/product/generic -kernel prebuilt/android-arm/kernel/kernel-qemu Oct 22 21:19:44 i was about to write up some code to do exactly that Oct 22 21:19:51 umdk1d3 is trying to access versionName and versionCode information from the manifest file programatically. Oct 22 21:19:57 I'm planning improvements to that soon Oct 22 21:20:32 tomgibara: yea i wrote something similar, but not to the extent you have Oct 22 21:20:57 umdk1d3: Just take a look at the source, it should be clear how to access the version info. Oct 22 21:21:03 unix_lappy: trac and redmine Oct 22 21:21:23 tomgibara: one thing that i did differently was the intent Oct 22 21:21:40 i assumed a prefix of market:// URI so that the xml couldnt do very malicious things Oct 22 21:22:23 umdk1d3: Yes I explicitly state in the documentation: You filter the intent for that reason Oct 22 21:22:32 *You must filter Oct 22 21:23:28 also, one other thought Oct 22 21:23:40 there are a /lot/ of background services running on apps Oct 22 21:23:48 *just in general Oct 22 21:24:08 * waldo_ is back (gone 00:15:25) Oct 22 21:24:26 it might be distracting to notify the user about an update when they dont care Oct 22 21:24:31 maybe only on app launch Oct 22 21:25:40 no paid apps until next year? Oct 22 21:26:49 summatusmentis: looks that way, not through the android marketplace, anyway. Oct 22 21:29:05 unix_lappy: hmm Oct 22 21:30:05 Market is updated Oct 22 21:30:07 fuck Oct 22 21:30:08 umdk1d3: I plan to rework veecheck as a service that apps can share Oct 22 21:30:11 they have pac-man! Oct 22 21:30:21 the downtown store says they only have 40 left and they are going fast. i need to haul! Oct 22 21:31:01 pac-man? Oct 22 21:31:03 good lord Oct 22 21:31:08 * vol goes to the marketplace Oct 22 21:32:17 I get download declined when attempting to grab pac-man Oct 22 21:33:00 G1-Accelerometer game video: http://www.anddev.org/viewtopic.php?p=12009#12009 Oct 22 21:33:17 jt436 you using a dev device not retail? Oct 22 21:33:22 hey anyone know what i need to do to my kernel/alsa to use this mini-usb earpiece that came with the g1 on my compooper Oct 22 21:33:31 jt436 maybe it needs to get that update.. Oct 22 21:34:22 ha nice one plusminus ;p Oct 22 21:34:40 actually Oct 22 21:34:42 ouch Oct 22 21:34:57 ? Oct 22 21:35:08 * waldo_ is away: auto-away Oct 22 21:35:33 I just checked my download of pac-man, wich is listed as "free" and it says Download declined : the download of pac-man by namco was declined because you haven't purchased it Oct 22 21:35:49 damn I still cannot download apps from the market :( Oct 22 21:36:14 tmo/google should be glad they didn't put much behind advertising Oct 22 21:36:15 languish: ok so its not just me Oct 22 21:36:16 plusminus_: nice. now you just need some physics :-) Oct 22 21:36:23 jt436 nope, not just you Oct 22 21:36:24 unix_lappy: its not my game Oct 22 21:36:33 its in apps-for-android Oct 22 21:36:51 anyone got problems with the market too ? Oct 22 21:36:57 they don't really need to, opensource will drive it's success Oct 22 21:37:26 languish: okay, looking into it Oct 22 21:37:31 languish: thanks for reporting it Oct 22 21:37:38 hi. Can Android Open Source be built on Ubuntu 64bit environment? I got some strange error and pumped out. Oct 22 21:37:47 plusminus_: the same one from anddev? Oct 22 21:37:56 me? yes Oct 22 21:38:06 may i pm you about a thread i made? Oct 22 21:38:26 you can but don't expect to much within the next hours :D ... G1 !!! Oct 22 21:38:27 hmm, so... Oct 22 21:38:31 lol Oct 22 21:39:06 has anyone else noticed that when the radio switches from 3G to EDGE or vice versa, it seems to stall active downloads but does not seem to simply abort them? Oct 22 21:39:37 i'm not quite sure how my app should deal with this condition. fast failing timeouts and retries seems pretty inefficient Oct 22 21:40:17 i wonder how/if google apps deal with this. i noticed the browser seems to have some sophistication for this Oct 22 21:40:41 t_ubuntu: good luck. Oct 22 21:41:49 So, I'm getting the error: [FAILED] bionic/ freerunner-patches (Unauthorized user. Visit http://review.source.android.com/hello to sign up.) Oct 22 21:42:23 I sign in no problem on the review.source.android.com site. How do I check what credentials are being sent by either repo or git? Oct 22 21:42:57 bricode: dunno -- did you go through the signup process on the review site or just login? Oct 22 21:43:03 i had to go through a process Oct 22 21:43:07 bricode: That's for an upload? Oct 22 21:43:07 Both. Oct 22 21:43:12 jbailey: Yep. Oct 22 21:43:28 it uses whatever email address you entered in repo Oct 22 21:43:30 originally Oct 22 21:43:33 when you do the repo init Oct 22 21:43:42 vol: is that a NO? Oct 22 21:43:43 and then the password is your google login password for that emaila ddress Oct 22 21:43:44 All my market downloads are... 'starting.............' Oct 22 21:43:46 bricode: Your CLA may not have been processed yet. Oct 22 21:43:47 wtf Oct 22 21:43:56 * waldo_ is back (gone 00:08:48) Oct 22 21:43:59 t_ubuntu: I haven't tried building it at all, but I suspect you'll hit.... "special" difficulties in a 64 bit env Oct 22 21:44:06 jbailey: Right...I asked for that to be ignored for the moment. Oct 22 21:44:19 jasta: looks like they just pause after the edge->3g and visa versa is triggered. Oct 22 21:44:20 bricode: We can't accept the upload without a CLA. Oct 22 21:44:37 jbailey: Oh, I suppose I should get that signed then. Oct 22 21:44:43 bricode: Yes'r. Oct 22 21:44:46 unix_lappy: right, so what are we supposed to do to deal with this case? i odn't get it. Oct 22 21:44:53 theres a new ubiquity out. Oct 22 21:44:55 vol: seem to me that it does not like the 64bit version of libstdc++ Oct 22 21:45:05 i guess i'll just test and figure it out for myself now that i have a phone Oct 22 21:45:10 i'll build a downloader test app Oct 22 21:45:18 jasta: dont know, I just looked at the code for the browser app. Oct 22 21:45:18 t_ubuntu, vol: Just install the 32bit cross env in Ubuntu and you should be fine. Oct 22 21:45:29 t_ubuntu: there are other libc issues iirc Oct 22 21:45:32 I have no idea how android lets apps know about system level events yet. Oct 22 21:45:34 let someone else talk to you :P Oct 22 21:45:35 unix_lappy: oh, what do you mean they pause then? Oct 22 21:46:32 jbailey: thanks. will give it a try Oct 22 21:47:16 *sigh* wtf does the it keep picking up the tower a block and a half away, instead of the tower half a block away Oct 22 21:47:22 jbailey: Hey, once I chose "I'll do it later" for the CLA, I can't seem to go back and change it. Oct 22 21:47:27 now I understand why my signal's so wonky Oct 22 21:47:40 bricode: Y'mean, you decide to do it later, and we decide when? =) Oct 22 21:47:40 idiotic overlapping tmo towers Oct 22 21:47:50 any ideas why sometimes my handler doesn't do the action when called with handler.sendEmptyMessage(); ? Oct 22 21:48:17 jbailey: So now it's in Google's hands and I can't go back and change it to "individual"? Oct 22 21:49:01 the tower half a block away could be full Oct 22 21:49:02 bricode: Eh, of course not. =) Oct 22 21:49:14 http://r.android.com/settings/welcome?dest=/ should be what you want. Oct 22 21:50:07 do i need to do anything to get my code reviewed? Oct 22 21:50:12 or does it just happen Oct 22 21:50:27 hmm PDF files in Google Docs get a 404 when accessed from G1 Oct 22 21:50:49 and Google Docs are supposed to deal with PDFs at the server level Oct 22 21:50:54 disappointing Oct 22 21:51:31 jeld: Please make sure to file a bug. Oct 22 21:52:23 jbailey, where android, t-mobile or google docs? Oct 22 21:52:35 I'd say android, probably. Oct 22 21:52:40 Yay. First contribution submitted. Oct 22 21:52:58 Has anybody run the IM that comes as part of the source code? Oct 22 21:53:04 jeld: It's unlikely to be a t-mo problem unless you can reproduce it the cell network and not wifi Oct 22 21:53:19 For everything else, I'd expect that a submission into the bug tracking system should pretty much get handled. Oct 22 21:54:06 Slick little submission system. Oct 22 21:54:31 jbailey, get the same thing in the emulator Oct 22 21:55:00 any eta when the OTA update will start rolling in Oct 22 21:55:01 bricode: Glad you like it. Oct 22 21:55:12 jeld: Right, so t-mo's not blocking you. Officially Google's problem =) Oct 22 21:58:13 jbailey, it seems to be a known problem with docs Oct 22 22:00:21 :| Oct 22 22:00:33 have people already got the G1? :o Oct 22 22:00:46 i got a few Oct 22 22:00:56 * waldo_ is away: auto-away Oct 22 22:00:59 a few? Oct 22 22:01:01 yah Oct 22 22:01:02 lol Oct 22 22:01:04 ... Oct 22 22:01:06 huh Oct 22 22:01:06 * rob--- cries Oct 22 22:01:09 do want Oct 22 22:01:13 one for me, one for my business partner, and one for one of our devs Oct 22 22:01:35 how is it so far? Oct 22 22:01:40 installed any good apps? Oct 22 22:02:08 Has anybody run the IM app. that comes as part of the source code? Oct 22 22:02:55 jbailey: you happen to know the package name for 32bit cross build? Oct 22 22:03:07 is there an android simulator included in the sources? i found a sim product target, but it seemed to be emitting ARM code before it failed to link libmedia... Oct 22 22:03:08 so far i love it ... hadn't messed with it much Oct 22 22:03:32 * waldo_ is back (gone 00:02:36) Oct 22 22:03:35 perhaps one of you could take pity on me and help me sort this coding problem out? :D Oct 22 22:04:05 handler misses some messages, but i can see them in logcat Oct 22 22:05:15 http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/22/t-mobile-g1-software-update-to-be-pushed-out-tomorrow/ Oct 22 22:05:35 when will apps be saved to the sd card? Oct 22 22:10:06 Are there any current tutorials on doing http post? Oct 22 22:10:28 androoid: android includes HttpClient4, so just look at examples for that Oct 22 22:11:10 my nickname is so original Oct 22 22:13:06 is there an omap850 patch for the android kernel anywhere? Oct 22 22:13:36 i have a working kernel on my phone i just want to try the userspace Oct 22 22:16:07 BruteFrce: you probably have to extract the android patch by taking the difference between the current generic kernel and 2.6.25. Oct 22 22:16:48 please correct me if i'm wrong or even if i'm right--the current browser on android does not have built in flash support Oct 22 22:17:35 it does not. Oct 22 22:17:51 illuminum: this is truly at Adobe's discretion. no one else can provide the support... Oct 22 22:18:13 so jasta, enjoying your G1? Oct 22 22:18:17 yes, quite. Oct 22 22:18:25 i'm disappointed with T-Mobile's network tho Oct 22 22:18:32 3G coverage is very spotty, and EDGE performance is _bad_ Oct 22 22:18:40 is the phone sim locked? Oct 22 22:18:45 however, when i can get 3G, five works very well Oct 22 22:19:04 not that it matters, since i dont think you can use at&t's 3g network :/ Oct 22 22:19:05 but on EDGE, hardly at all. i'm currently trying to optimize a few things (transcoding to a lower quality) to make this work better on EDGE Oct 22 22:19:18 KodeK: it sure is. and then some. but no, you cannot use at&t's 3g network. Oct 22 22:19:29 it sure is..locked? Oct 22 22:19:48 f00f-: one thing i'm trying to investigate is that there is a seemingly stupid failure that's happening when the phone switches between EDGE and 3G frequently Oct 22 22:19:59 my edge here in san diego is faster than AT&T heh. Oct 22 22:19:59 the radio just quits and downloads stall, even though if you start a new download it will work Oct 22 22:20:03 trying to guard five against this case Oct 22 22:20:10 yeah i know jasta Oct 22 22:20:18 KodeK: yes, locked Oct 22 22:20:20 :-/ Oct 22 22:20:32 well i guess somebody can Oct 22 22:20:34 libflash Oct 22 22:20:42 jasta: stall temporarily or stall forever (or as long as your patience lasts)? Oct 22 22:20:46 i'm hoping someone can shed some light on exactly how the network stack behaves when switching Oct 22 22:20:48 but it's not going to get installed by default evar Oct 22 22:21:03 fadden: as last as httpclient's default patience lasts... Oct 22 22:21:06 which sucks, means i have to recode some web apps if i want them to work on android phones Oct 22 22:21:23 illuminum: as you should anyway, flash is not suitable for mobile consumption. too heavy. Oct 22 22:21:25 so like Oct 22 22:21:31 aye Oct 22 22:21:33 i managed to compile the source code w/ the kernel, but i cant get it to work with my kaiser. im hoping someone else figures it out soon :P Oct 22 22:21:34 as long as* Oct 22 22:21:34 what video encoding is youtube? Oct 22 22:21:45 its flash, flv Oct 22 22:21:57 i supposed there is an flv codec on the android platform Oct 22 22:22:02 yar Oct 22 22:22:16 fadden: my initial thought was to simply detect a choked download and restart it, but there must be something more clever that can be done with Android Oct 22 22:22:38 but the radio is such a mystery it's hard to tell how it would be best to utilize it Oct 22 22:25:32 ralpht im lost Oct 22 22:25:55 * umdk1d3 is using att edge network, and it sucks here, falling back to gprs half the time Oct 22 22:26:32 same with tmob where i am Oct 22 22:27:00 cant wait to get back to portland and 3g Oct 22 22:28:01 BruteFrce: http://elinux.org/Android_on_OMAP#Kernel Oct 22 22:28:07 BruteFrce: see patch extraction Oct 22 22:28:27 BruteFrce: most of that page is out of date, but the patch extraction is still correct. Oct 22 22:30:32 * waldo_ is away: auto-away Oct 22 22:31:19 i wish a patch already existed Oct 22 22:31:55 i might as well patch android kernel to work with my device, probably easier Oct 22 22:32:10 yeah, extraction is kind of a pain. Oct 22 22:32:20 what device are you targetting? Oct 22 22:33:36 htc excalibur Oct 22 22:33:59 i have been patching the linwizard kernel to work with it Oct 22 22:34:05 cool Oct 22 22:34:40 i wonder if it would just work with my kernel and the android.bin for my userspace Oct 22 22:34:43 i really want to get android running on my n800. it looks like there's an opensource wifi driver for it that works on recent 2.6 kernels now.. Oct 22 22:34:46 no Oct 22 22:35:00 you need binder and ashmem (and probably the logging bits) at least for it to boot Oct 22 22:35:03 what would be mising from my kernel? Oct 22 22:37:15 this damn client sucks Oct 22 22:37:20 what did ya say Oct 22 22:37:30 you need binder and ashmem (and probably the logging bits) at least for it to boot Oct 22 22:38:28 this guy got the binary sdk releases running on a zaurus pretty well: http://androidzaurus.seesaa.net/ Oct 22 22:39:06 hmm, waht does INSTALL_FAILED_UPDATE_INCOMPATIBLE mean when using adb install? Oct 22 22:39:26 this guy got everything working on an htc vogue: http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/ Oct 22 22:39:36 including telephony! Oct 22 22:39:42 i was trying to do adb install -r earlier to deploy a new version of my package and it failed with INSTALL_PARSE_FAILED_INCONSISTENT_CERTIFICATES Oct 22 22:39:50 then uninstalling it and installing again got the first error i pasted Oct 22 22:39:56 is vogue omap850? Oct 22 22:40:57 no Oct 22 22:41:00 qualcomm Oct 22 22:41:22 msm7k, like the g1 Oct 22 22:41:43 oh Oct 22 22:41:57 oh boy, looking at the forum the solution to this issue is "Wipe the emulator" Oct 22 22:41:58 i've seen reports of it running on omap1, though Oct 22 22:41:59 * jasta panics Oct 22 22:42:46 ill just wait till someone with omap850 does all that work and continue getting my lernel working with all my ardware Oct 22 22:42:58 kernel Oct 22 22:43:04 hardware Oct 22 22:43:19 im on a phone btw, sorry for typos Oct 22 22:44:01 does anyone here own a kaiser? Oct 22 22:44:22 im on my third RMAd phone, and they all have issues with the "R" key. Oct 22 22:44:25 i have x working just cant get arrows working no matter what i map them to Oct 22 22:46:44 KodeK: i've got one Oct 22 22:49:09 are there any google devs here? Oct 22 22:49:40 have there been any decent ports as of yet? Oct 22 22:49:52 googling shows a lot of outdated 'it kinda works' ports Oct 22 22:49:57 pre-code release Oct 22 22:50:04 hmm. this really sucks. Oct 22 22:50:08 i can't run my app any more hehe Oct 22 22:50:22 jasta: what does "adb uninstall" do? Oct 22 22:50:23 :( Oct 22 22:50:40 ... sigh. i forgot my in-laws are visiting tonight :pppppp Oct 22 22:50:59 busy @ work, busy @ home. maybe i'll be able to play tomorrow... :] Oct 22 22:51:02 gotta go entertain Oct 22 22:51:07 fadden: fails now, because i already uninstalled it Oct 22 22:51:10 o/ Oct 22 22:51:26 jasta: did you look in settings -> applications -> manage? Oct 22 22:51:36 i had an issue awhile back with something not uninstalling Oct 22 22:51:52 i think i might have adb shell'ed into the device to delete a specific file Oct 22 22:52:05 did logcat say anything package-manager related? Oct 22 22:52:13 or is that were that error code is coming from? Oct 22 22:52:51 the error code is coming from adb itself (it prints it) Oct 22 22:53:09 adb logcat just reiterates what the docs say, the signature doesnt match, so it wont install Oct 22 22:53:15 hmm Oct 22 22:53:26 time for device reset! ^.^ Oct 22 22:54:14 the package doesnt show up in the apps list Oct 22 22:54:28 did you try "adb shell list packages" Oct 22 22:54:29 seriously, is this gonna be the next Windows? what the hell, im not gonna wipe it and redo all the shit i did today Oct 22 22:54:41 stadlero: permission denied Oct 22 22:55:03 jasta: how about "adb pull /data/system/packages.xml ." ? Oct 22 22:55:30 it's in there. can i just edit and adb push? Oct 22 22:55:42 If it's in there then the system doesn't believe it has been uninstalled. Oct 22 22:55:58 Do you see it in "adb shell ls /data/app" ? Oct 22 22:56:14 permission denied Oct 22 22:56:41 Mumble. Oct 22 22:56:43 * danfuzz looks around Oct 22 22:57:02 well, adb uninstall org.devtcg.five.music says merely Failure Oct 22 22:57:11 adb logcat (during adb uninstall) says: Oct 22 22:57:12 maybe rename your package? :P Oct 22 22:57:19 BruteFrce: What kernel are you patching? Oct 22 22:57:33 "Package named 'org.devtcg.five.music' doesn't exist" Oct 22 22:58:46 fadden: would this be a good time to call T-Mobile and ask them kindly to unlock my phone? :) Oct 22 22:59:02 jasta: good luck with that Oct 22 22:59:14 I'm nudging people here who know more about this than I do. Oct 22 22:59:51 Want to pastebin your packages.xml? Oct 22 23:00:02 sure, hang on Oct 22 23:02:16 http://pastebin.com/m7b855d5a Oct 22 23:02:24 the package in question is org.devtcg.five.music Oct 22 23:02:45 anyone using web2mail? i want to get my contacts from there to android Oct 22 23:02:53 contactsync doesn't seem to work Oct 22 23:02:56 jastaaaaaa Oct 22 23:02:58 whattup homey Oct 22 23:03:13 fadden: oddly enough, org.devtcg.five is not affected, though part of my build deployment process. Oct 22 23:03:34 arg. They neglected to mention that I wouldn't have any data service while I waited for my number to switch over from Verizon! Oct 22 23:04:58 yakischloba: oh no, that's just t-mobile. you won't have any data service once its ported either :) Oct 22 23:05:38 well fuck their stupid green map shows my apartment in the 5 bar service area and I'm at home now with 1 bar Oct 22 23:06:10 mine too, and i dont get 3G at my house Oct 22 23:06:24 im on the ground floor near a window too Oct 22 23:06:39 kind of lame that I can't do _anything_ until my number is done Oct 22 23:06:49 jasta: do you see any other failures in "adb logcat" related to org.devtcg.five.music? Oct 22 23:07:04 in general, or during uninstall/install? Oct 22 23:07:04 Just wondering if something failed earlier and the app got partially uninstalled. Oct 22 23:07:19 let me look, i've tried so many times since then that i bet it rolled off the back Oct 22 23:07:35 "adb logcat" is only the last 64K; anything at WARN or ERROR might be interesting Oct 22 23:07:51 Cell phones suck. You can be standing right under a tower and not get service. Surely you've used a wireless phone before? Sometimes just rotating the phone body 90 degrees is enough to move from a good signal to a marginal one. Oct 22 23:08:24 fadden: nope, nothing interesting. the top just shows my repeated attempts to uninstall/reinstall Oct 22 23:11:24 andyross: thats signal polarization for ya ;) Oct 22 23:11:42 fadden: so, i'm confused. why is this thing just unwilling to let me remove and install the package? Oct 22 23:12:16 jasta: I don't know. I suspect it got into an inconsistent state where it's half there and half not, and it's checking the "not there" half first. Oct 22 23:12:31 uhm, ok. Oct 22 23:12:52 i guess my fun is over for the day then :\ Oct 22 23:12:57 It'd be interesting to know if /data/app/org.devtcg.five.music.apk exists, but you probably need more permissions than "adb shell" has. Oct 22 23:13:07 yup, sure do Oct 22 23:13:16 AndNav first test on the G1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFjUkxKXU6w Oct 22 23:13:16 I'm also pretty sure you can't remove or alter packages.xml Oct 22 23:13:49 (sorry if this has been suggested before) as a workaround, you could rename the app Oct 22 23:13:55 fadden: yeah, its only readable for all Oct 22 23:13:57 and im not system Oct 22 23:15:09 fadden: is there any way i can talk to someone at google that knows about this part of the code? Oct 22 23:15:41 jasta: I'm doing some prodding. I filed a bug with all the info from the chat session and the packages.xml. Oct 22 23:16:34 damn disappointing to happen on the very first day with my new toy... Oct 22 23:17:28 Hopefully all you have is a vestigal entry in packages.xml. Oct 22 23:17:28 you could just say 'thanks for looking into it' Oct 22 23:17:41 jasta: is it possible that you uninstalled the app with the option to keep the data around? Oct 22 23:17:47 heya... is writting apps in c++ supported yet ? Oct 22 23:17:50 markf: i did, yes. Oct 22 23:18:49 jasta: In that case, it will keep the signature information around so that n on else could accidentally install another app with the same package name and read your data. Oct 22 23:19:05 'n on' -> 'no one' Oct 22 23:19:12 markf: is this feature designed to prevent you from reinstalling? :) Oct 22 23:19:44 jasta: No, it's to protect your data. Oct 22 23:20:24 markf: well, why can't i just falsely sign something and get it removed completely? Oct 22 23:20:37 im officially addicted to Woot.com and im not even in the US >.< Oct 22 23:20:49 oh, something to note, i didn't actually expect there was data here. /data/data/org.devtcg.five.music was probably empty Oct 22 23:20:55 or at least, that package didnt ever write anything to it Oct 22 23:21:08 jasta: you uninstalled because you changed your certificate? Oct 22 23:21:28 xavd: no, i was just trying to redeploy a build. i'd done it a bunch of times already today Oct 22 23:21:42 one particular time failed, claiming it was inconsistent. Oct 22 23:21:59 so i tried adb uninstall -k package, which seemed to work, but adb install still fails (but with a different error) Oct 22 23:22:14 jasta: did you work from 2 different computers using the debug key? Oct 22 23:22:24 nope Oct 22 23:22:26 I'm not sure why you'd get INSTALL_PARSE_FAILED_INCONSISTENT_CERTIFICATES if you didn't hcange the key Oct 22 23:22:39 i have done everything all day from my laptop, which has only been doing svn update && mvn install Oct 22 23:22:58 jasta: Can you reinstall the original app and then uninstall competely? Oct 22 23:23:07 and this worked several times until just recently when it failed. Oct 22 23:23:12 jasta: That would be the cleanest way. Oct 22 23:23:25 markf: i don't have the build that was last on there, because of course svn update changed the code and then the apk is different Oct 22 23:23:42 but as far as the signature goes, there is no reason at all why that would change Oct 22 23:23:53 i didn't realize adb uninstall -k was quite so dangerous :) Oct 22 23:24:39 jasta: Is there still an entry for the package in the Application Manager? Oct 22 23:24:53 no, there seems not to be. Oct 22 23:25:10 although interestingly enough, when i first deployed these packages, the application manager didn't show org.devtcg.five.music, but it was installed and working Oct 22 23:25:21 i didn't think anything of it at the time, tho, since everything was functioning as i expected Oct 22 23:25:47 also, org.devtcg.five.music installs several launcher icons, so i figured at the time that maybe the application manager just picked up the name of a different launcher Oct 22 23:31:13 is it possible to partition your rom and dal boot android wince? Oct 22 23:31:21 android/wince Oct 22 23:32:03 s/dal/dual Oct 22 23:36:53 tastes like happy! Oct 22 23:39:01 ... Oct 22 23:39:15 jasta: did you just get a new #? Oct 22 23:39:25 ported Oct 22 23:39:34 how long did it take? Oct 22 23:39:47 about an hour Oct 22 23:39:53 ah k. Oct 22 23:40:19 did your at&t phone stop working before the g1 started? Oct 22 23:40:47 yakischloba: did you get one today? Oct 22 23:41:00 Dougie187: yeah i just got home from the store about 15 mins ago Oct 22 23:41:03 yakischloba: dunno, i shut my at&t phone immediately Oct 22 23:41:05 nice Oct 22 23:41:07 it makes it port faster, iirc Oct 22 23:41:09 Dougie187: I got one of the last 10 or so Oct 22 23:41:14 heh Oct 22 23:41:15 awesome Oct 22 23:41:30 yakischloba: which city? Oct 22 23:41:56 unix_infidel: seattle, downtown store. i assume probably one of the busiest stores around here Oct 22 23:41:56 ah, nvm. Oct 22 23:42:11 yea, i'm thinking about heading over to the local store. Oct 22 23:42:33 Dougie187: but I'm waiting for my # to port so I can't do _anything_ with it yet! :( Oct 22 23:42:50 heh Oct 22 23:43:09 the screen bit wiggles a little when it's slid out. thats kind of annoying Oct 22 23:43:18 G1 looks sweet Oct 22 23:43:58 jasta: did your g1 give you some kind of indication that it started working? Oct 22 23:44:26 or did you just keep trying to login Oct 22 23:45:06 you know, if its been a long time since they ported it you need to call them Oct 22 23:45:15 the customer support people routinely screw this up Oct 22 23:45:22 it has barely been an hour Oct 22 23:45:34 i was just curious Oct 22 23:45:45 (yes, i'm also impatient to use it :) ) Oct 22 23:46:42 Hello all. Got my G1, but A2DP isn't working. Anyone out there can unofficially give me an answer as to when this will be implemented? Oct 22 23:47:01 anyone here have a Touch Pro or Moto KN4? Oct 22 23:47:36 axi0m: a2dp isn't supported by the software. a revision may add it at a later date. Oct 22 23:47:43 unix_infidel: is the Touch Pro even out yet? Oct 22 23:47:45 (tahts the official answer, btw) Oct 22 23:48:26 thx, jasta Oct 22 23:48:38 Is there a guide on debugging with eclipse ON the G1? Is this supported? I saw the debug mode option for the USB cable in the settings, not sure how this works... Oct 22 23:49:05 tweakt: http://code.google.com/android/intro/develop-and-debug.html#developingondevicehardware Oct 22 23:49:13 xavd, thanks man! Oct 22 23:49:53 Is it possible to write a2dp functionality yourself, since android is OSS now? Oct 22 23:49:55 ahh very cool. now I can finally make my app work ;-) Oct 22 23:50:30 axi0m: yes, that should be possible, but quite a lot of work Oct 22 23:51:05 If only the dollar was worth anything overseas, I'd contract someone to do it. ;) Oct 22 23:52:07 axi0m, I understand some bluetooth was in, but they did not want to freeze the API yet, so it was pulled. You might be able to add it back in ;-) But it will just break later... Oct 22 23:52:21 Very impressed with the G1 so far. It does NOT feel like a 1.0 device. I am happy I returned my iPhone 3G. Kudos to HTC, T-Mobile, and Google. Oct 22 23:52:47 thanks, on behalf of the other several hundred folks who worked on it Oct 22 23:53:03 In fact, the device is much faster, since T-Mobile is not so crowded. Oct 22 23:53:22 3G in Orange County, California is smoking fast compared to ATT here. Oct 22 23:53:58 Yeah, I don't even notice the difference between Wifi and 3G unless I'm flying around maps or something, general use, even downloading apps, not difference Oct 22 23:54:10 *no difference Oct 22 23:54:10 danfuzz: You all have started something really big. Congrats. :) Oct 22 23:54:11 On the downside: the G1's IMAP client refuses to talk to my self-signed server. So I can't read email. :( Oct 22 23:54:14 so i got a g1 today and there is an issue/bug with the contact sync, any suggestions on how to troubleshoot or where to report it Oct 22 23:54:54 i'm glad you think so. we've been so heads-down trying to get it finished that it's easy to lose perspective Oct 22 23:55:15 andyross: switch to "ssl (when available)" instead of "ssl (always)" Oct 22 23:55:26 it will still use ssl but won't whine about self-signed certs Oct 22 23:55:51 the contacts sync never finishes Oct 22 23:55:51 the ui / docs will be updated at some point to clarify what the options mean Oct 22 23:55:55 IMHO, Android is starting slow and steady - just like Obama. Solid, though. Oct 22 23:56:10 ... really? On everything else in the world, what that means is drop to an unencrypted link. I'll try it from my wifi network tonight. Oct 22 23:56:28 andyross: really. Oct 22 23:56:29 axi0m: sigh lol, leave politics out of it :P Oct 22 23:57:21 Sorry. Just kind of feels like that. No offense to anybody. Oct 22 23:57:22 axi0m: and you dont even get to customize the skin :P Oct 22 23:57:24 :) Oct 22 23:57:33 the reasoning is that in the mode in question you are still subject to a MITM attack so you may as well not have an encrypted connection, in terms of the assurance the app can provide you Oct 22 23:57:36 * umdk1d3 sticks ronpaul sticker on mah fone ;) Oct 22 23:58:53 How many Android devs are on this chan? Oct 22 23:58:58 me advocates voting for BRAK: Oct 22 23:59:08 I mean Google ppl. Oct 22 23:59:10 * jbq waves Oct 22 23:59:13 er there was supposed to be a "/" there Oct 22 23:59:13 A few of us Oct 22 23:59:25 Most of them are busy drinking beers, though Oct 22 23:59:27 i wonder how long it takes me to break off this little port cover. I'm considering ripping it off right now. Oct 22 23:59:30 fyi folks, Settings/SD card & phone storage/Factory data reset/ is available to deal with totally hosed situations like jasta's Oct 22 23:59:40 You all must be stoked. I think this is huge, and so does most of the tech community. Oct 22 23:59:42 of course, it's a pretty drastic step. Oct 22 23:59:43 yakischloba: I always remove the port cover first thing Oct 22 23:59:44 yakischloba: removing the USB port cover is a popular "mod" Oct 22 23:59:50 heh Oct 23 00:00:01 * jasta is proud to be the first g1 user to be "totally hosed" Oct 23 00:00:43 With Apple shooting themselves in the foot with their SDK, I truly think devs will adopt Android. Apple is worse than MS. Oct 23 00:00:59 axi0m: worse how? Oct 23 00:01:27 I think the market will prove or disprove that ;-) Oct 23 00:01:33 MS doesn't say your app can't be on its platform and then make you sign an NDA. Oct 23 00:01:35 axi0m: i find that too Oct 23 00:01:38 jasta: what happened? Oct 23 00:02:04 axi0m: I find Apple, Adobe, Microsoft, etc... all just as bad as each other. Oct 23 00:02:05 your guess is as good as mine Oct 23 00:02:24 jasta might just be the first G1 user on the IRC channel to be totally hosed. Oct 23 00:02:25 tweakt: So you want to drop 50k on making an app, only to be told that it's not allowed? Oct 23 00:02:38 Wow I cant believe how awsome the G1 is Oct 23 00:02:46 And then you can't tell anyone that it's been rejected? Oct 23 00:02:51 He should consider himself proud and fortunate, therefore ;-) Oct 23 00:03:01 jasta: we kinda know what happened for the part about the uninstall -k (we failed to provide a way to truly uninstall the app after doing uninstall -k) Oct 23 00:03:06 what is totally hosed? Oct 23 00:03:12 jasta: still no clue why you had to change certificate tho Oct 23 00:03:27 Give us your poor, your tired, your butt-ugly applications yearning to be installed ... Oct 23 00:03:40 xavd: no idea, but i definitely did not change anything on that machine Oct 23 00:03:42 Instead of stepping aside and letting the iPhone take flight, it's a caged bird. Oct 23 00:03:58 xavd: as evidenced by the fact that i could still reinstall org.devtcg.five Oct 23 00:04:05 merely org.devtcg.five.music was affected Oct 23 00:04:12 When you have to hack something to install anything interesting, it's muy malo. Oct 23 00:04:16 so its probably more likely that the signature you guys _expected_ got munged. not the signature i gave. Oct 23 00:06:18 I don't believe "the market" exists unless it's a free (libre) one like the Android Marketplace. AAPL surely does not have a "free market" in any sense. Oct 23 00:06:40 The cert "index" value, key, and user ID are different for five.apk and five.music.apk Oct 23 00:07:13 And that is why I say: Thank god MS won the PC wars. Jobs would have killed The Apple with his draconian pronouncements regardless. Oct 23 00:07:23 fadden: what does that tell us? Oct 23 00:07:34 (Not to say that Mac doesn't rock in some regards.) Oct 23 00:07:53 jasta: I'm not entirely sure, but in theory everything you install with the same certification stuff goes in with the same user ID Oct 23 00:07:55 jasta: did you reset your phone yet? Oct 23 00:07:58 Im a little fustrated that they will eventually start to charge for apps Oct 23 00:08:02 xavd: yes Oct 23 00:08:08 However, I'm really very far from an expert in this area. Oct 23 00:08:34 fadden: well, if it helps at all i noticed this failure only for org.devtcg.five.music, and the failure started during adb install -r Oct 23 00:08:41 Google will eventually charge for apps, but only if the devs want to charge for them. Oct 23 00:08:45 How is the paying of market apps enforced? cant we just pull an apk from the phone? Oct 23 00:08:56 so my adb uninstall -k was merely how i shot myself in the foot, but not the error itself. Oct 23 00:09:08 fadden: also, these two packages were built and deployed with the same build (mvn install, in particular) Oct 23 00:09:18 MrSnowflake: Well, your IMEI number is probably a good way to enforce copyright laws. :) Oct 23 00:09:20 and they were that way all through my testing today, through several redeploys Oct 23 00:09:51 You can't spoof it and have network access, so I think piracy will be a no-go on Android. Oct 23 00:10:05 axi0m: you mean the IMEI is put into the apk? Or it's getting checked at install time? Oct 23 00:10:14 (Unless you can spoof your WiFi MAC address.) Oct 23 00:10:25 axi0m, true. what do you think the percentage would be for chargers? Oct 23 00:10:32 MrSnowflake: I have no idea. That is just how I would personally do it. Oct 23 00:10:41 axi0m: that assumes no one figures out how to get system-level access on their phone Oct 23 00:10:46 axi0m: you _could_ rewrite android to return a different IMEI to apps Oct 23 00:11:17 and that assumption relies on the fact that all code running as system/root is invulernable to buffer overflows and other exploits. an unlikely assumption. Oct 23 00:11:25 Where can I get a terminal for Android!! I mean come on, this is linux! Oct 23 00:11:27 Having been good friends with former cell "crackers", I can tell you personally that IMEI changed everything, and changed it permanently. Oct 23 00:12:09 cool, but still on the phone itself you still could return a different IMEI Oct 23 00:12:10 After_Math: or ssh client at least Oct 23 00:12:21 After_Math: GNU, man. Oct 23 00:12:25 seva, something Oct 23 00:12:27 More accurately, it prevented the spoofing necessary to make free calls on analog cell towers, which is quite easy. Oct 23 00:12:31 mattl, GNU? Oct 23 00:13:10 After_Math: "this is linux" -- actually, it's GNU. you rarely interact with linux. Oct 23 00:13:36 mattl: but much less GNU than most, with a BSD derived libc, etc. Oct 23 00:13:41 oh, well I meant it should have a terminal Oct 23 00:13:44 you mean theres no way to ssh with a g1 yet? Oct 23 00:13:44 mattl: I guess there's not much GNU there Oct 23 00:13:55 you guys are kidding me right? :P Oct 23 00:14:19 thats the whole reason i want to buy one.. so i can ssh into things.. it has a keyboard.. great Oct 23 00:14:20 So, I am probably talking out of my a55 here, but I believe that if we could see a "spoofed" IMEI, it would have shown up by now. Oct 23 00:14:29 snadge, as far as right now no Oct 23 00:14:33 snadge: you need an openmoko phone to get ssh out of the box ;-) Oct 23 00:14:38 yeah, maybe not so much :) Oct 23 00:14:44 but monday is when they will be releasing 3rd party apps for download Oct 23 00:14:47 Especially with all the other OSS phone operating systems out there. Oct 23 00:14:50 http://code.google.com/p/connectbot/ Oct 23 00:15:01 can you compile your own version of ssh or something? or just wait until monday ;) Oct 23 00:15:03 ^^ is a ssh client Oct 23 00:15:05 seva: you beat me to it Oct 23 00:15:21 it's not in the "market" though? Oct 23 00:15:35 nothings really "in" the market yet Oct 23 00:15:41 nope Oct 23 00:15:43 its not open to third party devs yet Oct 23 00:15:48 nope Oct 23 00:15:54 and will cost $25 for them Oct 23 00:15:56 to post apps Oct 23 00:16:09 After_Math: is the $25 also for open source? Oct 23 00:16:13 Exactly. Everything in the "market" has been vetted and so forth. Trial by fire will begin when it opens for real. Oct 23 00:16:31 MrSnowflake, not sure Oct 23 00:16:33 markets still buggy Oct 23 00:16:49 k Oct 23 00:16:53 going to bed now, cyall Oct 23 00:16:55 Android also has a kill switch :/ Oct 23 00:16:56 right.. but all i need to do is download ConnectBot-100.apk to my G1 phone to run ssh for myself? can anyone confirm this works Oct 23 00:16:59 later Oct 23 00:17:08 Market, and everything else about the G1 is much more stable than the original iPhone launch. Oct 23 00:17:09 snadge: it kinda works lol Oct 23 00:17:20 later, After_Math. Oct 23 00:17:21 axi0m, I agree, my 3g speeds are insane Oct 23 00:17:25 there are some issues depending on the server you connect with Oct 23 00:17:28 ymmv atm Oct 23 00:17:40 hoping to fix over next few days before it "really" launches Oct 23 00:17:48 kind of works ? great .. the reason i didnt get an iphone 3g, is that i was offended that you have to pay $5 per month for ssh Oct 23 00:17:54 axi0m, you leaving too? Oct 23 00:17:55 After_Math: That's probably because TMO is mostly a "virgin" 3g network atm. Oct 23 00:18:09 snadge: if your not happy with it, feel free to jump in and fix it ^.^ its gplv3'ed Oct 23 00:18:17 axi0m: when does the market open up? Oct 23 00:18:21 monday Oct 23 00:18:28 axi0m, true, but I thought there would be at least some servers down at some point, especially when they sold 3 more times then expected Oct 23 00:18:32 After_Math: No, still here being a fanboi. ;) The IRC server said you were leaving. Oct 23 00:18:36 also, iPhone doesnt have a keyboard.. which would have to really blow for trying to ssh Oct 23 00:18:47 axi0m, oh, I was saying later to mrssnowflake :) Oct 23 00:18:54 Most consumers don't need/want a kb. Oct 23 00:19:05 snadge, ya it does, I have the terminal app on my Itouch Oct 23 00:19:06 This is a device to see if the devs will come out and play. Oct 23 00:19:08 well ssh is my #1 priority ;) Oct 23 00:19:22 axi0m, you know they will ^^ Oct 23 00:19:25 Most ppl can't touch type even. Oct 23 00:19:49 look at the beautiful linuxs that have been created and maintained Oct 23 00:19:57 if i can log into servers remotely using my phone.. sold .. im not buying any of the pieces of junk on the market currently that can do that Oct 23 00:20:05 Yeah, I know the devs will play. Eclipse was the perfect IDE, and Java language was the perfect choice for devs. Oct 23 00:20:23 Eclipse rocks Oct 23 00:20:34 Whoever is calling the shots on Android knows WTF they're doing. Oct 23 00:20:41 and I love how you can download the SOURCE and compile it with the SDK then load it to the phone :) Oct 23 00:20:50 wow, so apparently there's a ton of G1's still left at the Dallas locations. Oct 23 00:21:11 does anyone know much about the UK release? do you have to show ID to buy one? Oct 23 00:21:20 does it have to be on a contract Oct 23 00:21:33 well I dont think there was a lot of publicity for the G1 Oct 23 00:21:39 I havent seen any commercials on tv for it Oct 23 00:21:46 snadge: I also have the terminal app on my ipod touch. you have to set up shortcuts to get somethings done quick (ie. ctrl-c) but the rest is fairly functional. I ssh into lots of computers to do stuff with Oct 23 00:21:50 snadge: In Baltimore they were sold out in about 2 hours Oct 23 00:21:53 After_Math: commercials are coming Oct 23 00:22:08 on tv ? Oct 23 00:22:14 idk lol they might be more taunting commercials at this point Oct 23 00:22:16 cbeust, I would assume :) you seen any? Oct 23 00:22:21 "look what you cant have cuz were sold out" Oct 23 00:22:25 haha Oct 23 00:22:41 anyone know anything about this restocking fee associated with the G1? Oct 23 00:22:46 In OC, California it's not even close to sold out. Thought it would be. Oct 23 00:22:58 unix_infidel, when you return it?> Oct 23 00:23:18 After_Math: correct. Oct 23 00:23:40 axi0m, ya I know, I walked in casually this morning at 10:30, a few people in there, but the ones who were were all buying the G1 ^^ Oct 23 00:24:01 unix_infidel, what abot it? Oct 23 00:24:45 After_Math: So are you in Cali? Oct 23 00:24:59 so now UK news? .. i heard a rumour Nov 1st Oct 23 00:25:03 s/now/no Oct 23 00:25:03 After_Math: yea I suppse I should've asked if it applies to contract extensions vs contract initiations. Oct 23 00:25:25 unix_infidel, :) Oct 23 00:25:36 what rumor? Oct 23 00:25:56 well maybe not a rumour .. someone mentioned it or i read it on the net somewhere, i cant remember Oct 23 00:26:10 well what was it? Oct 23 00:27:16 that it was going to be released in the United Kingdom (or England) .. sorry to do that.. i thought maybe UK might be meaningless to some ;) Oct 23 00:27:25 on November 1st Oct 23 00:27:37 Orange County, CA is too in love with their status symbol phones to really get into a "movement" like Android will become. They'll wait for the "cute" Android phones to show up. Not that there's anything wrong with that . . . Oct 23 00:27:48 snadge, ah, so you are form England eh Oct 23 00:27:55 in case some people wern't aware that there were other countries than the USA ;) Oct 23 00:28:10 no.. im an Australian, but I will be in the UK in a week Oct 23 00:28:14 snadge: There are not. Nor are there any languages besides English. Oct 23 00:28:18 ;) Oct 23 00:28:20 axi0m, lol dont hate on us :P there are more geeks, well coole geeks then you think Oct 23 00:28:46 axi0m, google I believe, is really waiting to sell their phones from word or mouth Oct 23 00:28:49 After_Math: one 'i' away from a slur :-P Oct 23 00:28:54 After_Math: Not hating. I live in Santa Ana. I moved here from Ohio, so it's a tremendous improvement! Oct 23 00:29:01 and theres absolutely ZERO information on when Australia is going to get an android phone or the G1 Oct 23 00:29:21 unix_infidel, lol from what you said above? Oct 23 00:29:29 so i've given up on it.. and prepared to accept that google doesnt even realise that australia exists.. even though we have a google.com.au Oct 23 00:29:41 what's australia? Oct 23 00:29:45 After_Math: coole vs coolie geeks. Oct 23 00:29:54 its only the best country in the world Oct 23 00:29:56 axi0m, ya Orang County is the sh** :) Oct 23 00:30:03 After_Math: I think you're right. Word of mouth combined with a "cute" phone. I love my new G1, but it is not "cute" enough to win over consumers. Oct 23 00:30:04 if it's so great why doesn't it have dream? Oct 23 00:30:06 i think it's a suburb of new zealand Oct 23 00:30:08 * danfuzz ducks Oct 23 00:30:17 because your dream is bankrupting the entire planet, thats why ;) Oct 23 00:30:19 unix_infidel, ooohh HAHA! 0_o Oct 23 00:30:24 unix_infidel, I missed that Oct 23 00:30:24 lol Oct 23 00:30:46 After_Math: I read that as there are a lot more coolie geeks in UK, meaning a bunch of chinese and indian emmigrants. Oct 23 00:30:52 htc should have just released it in australia first.. and ignored the rest of the world Oct 23 00:30:57 After_Math: OC is indeed the shiznit. All the perks of LA without the smog. Great for riding motorcycles, too. Oct 23 00:31:00 haha coolie Oct 23 00:31:01 snadge: amen to that Oct 23 00:31:23 axi0m, no dougt Oct 23 00:31:31 its incredibly painful that the USA gets special treatment.. i know that google is primarily a USA company.. but, grr Oct 23 00:31:34 Much love to LA, though. No OC without LA. Oct 23 00:31:42 axi0m, I used to have a 650 Suzuki SV Oct 23 00:31:50 woops Suzuki SV 650 Oct 23 00:32:04 i mean.. the US doesnt even have a working 3g system Oct 23 00:32:05 snadge: We are accustomed to special treatment. It's kind of a birthright to many over here. That and manifest destiny. Oct 23 00:32:05 it's only fair, really. the rest of the world usually gets phones months if not years before us Oct 23 00:32:09 axi0m, cant stand L.A. ^^ Oct 23 00:32:19 After_Math: Why did you give it up? Bikes rule. Oct 23 00:32:23 axi0m, but you are right, it all started with Bollywood Oct 23 00:32:25 we have a 3g system here.. thats in use.. ready to go Oct 23 00:32:27 haha Bollywood Oct 23 00:32:59 Actually, LA has been inhabited since the beginning of recorded history. Not that that's very long, mind you. Oct 23 00:33:02 axi0m, it was either keep the bike or get a new truck for work :/ believe I will get one again soon! Oct 23 00:33:10 and i've already checked.. the frequencies are compatible, so theres literally zero reason not to sell in australia .. and definitely zero reason not to make ANY comments about if and when thats going to happen Oct 23 00:33:28 snadge: we also have a larger landmass to cover. Oct 23 00:33:37 axi0m, not sure exactly what you mean. By Native Americans? Oct 23 00:33:54 not even the australian telcos know about when its going to happen Oct 23 00:34:04 After_Math: Yes. North America has been inhabited as far back as we know. Oct 23 00:34:08 HEY UH Oct 23 00:34:08 wouldn't htc have even bothered to contact them? Oct 23 00:34:11 SO Oct 23 00:34:14 haha I love that CDW commercial of the guy on the Island Oct 23 00:34:20 was i not supposed to pull that plastic off the screen Oct 23 00:34:21 ? Oct 23 00:34:33 We just kinda stole TX and CA from the Mexicans. Oct 23 00:34:38 axi0m, ya but L.A. isnt what it was Oct 23 00:34:41 trashguy: depends on how grubby your fingers are Oct 23 00:34:43 haha Oct 23 00:34:50 yakischloba, lol Oct 23 00:34:53 thats the way America rolls no? Oct 23 00:35:06 trashguy, no Oct 23 00:35:08 keep it on Oct 23 00:35:13 fuck Oct 23 00:35:15 toolate Oct 23 00:35:18 itll keep it safe and scratch free Oct 23 00:35:19 haha Oct 23 00:35:20 * waldo_ is back (gone 02:04:48) Oct 23 00:35:22 i thought Oct 23 00:35:23 go buy a protector then Oct 23 00:35:26 it was one of those Oct 23 00:35:28 thingys Oct 23 00:35:32 its like an eyeball Oct 23 00:35:34 Can the animation.graphics.Animation classes be applied to a general shape? Oct 23 00:35:36 that you pull off of every one ;) Oct 23 00:35:37 haha ya Oct 23 00:35:48 Or just a View. Oct 23 00:36:13 Australia - 2941300 sq mi .. USA - 3539224 sq mi Oct 23 00:37:03 but you can ignore 90% of our land mass.. it has next to zero population Oct 23 00:37:33 leave it to me Oct 23 00:37:35 het excited Oct 23 00:37:38 and tear shit apart Oct 23 00:37:46 should of seen me trying to get the battery in Oct 23 00:37:57 lol trashguy its soo easy Oct 23 00:38:01 read the manual!!! Oct 23 00:38:02 gal at the store put in the battery and SIM for me Oct 23 00:38:07 wtf Oct 23 00:38:09 MANUAL Oct 23 00:38:14 yakischloba, same here, she didnt even know how to do it Oct 23 00:38:20 lol Oct 23 00:38:20 im a man i dont ask or read directions Oct 23 00:38:27 it shows you how t Oct 23 00:38:40 i got mine liek a weekagao in the mail Oct 23 00:38:41 i have a screwdriver here that seems to fit the phone. since my fucking number isn't ported yet, i'm tempted to start taking it apart Oct 23 00:38:47 trashguy, same here, but when it comes to such a nice thing, you got to Oct 23 00:39:12 lol Oct 23 00:39:15 once you unlock the G1, you wont need the data plan will you? Oct 23 00:39:33 yakischloba, dont do it Oct 23 00:39:44 JAIL BREAK Oct 23 00:39:47 wait Oct 23 00:40:15 im out Oct 23 00:40:55 has anyone reported a hardware failure, ie had to exchange their phone? just curious Oct 23 00:41:20 yakischloba, your phone not working? Oct 23 00:41:48 well, I'm waiting for my number to switch over from my old carrier, but no, the phone is working fine Oct 23 00:41:59 just wondered Oct 23 00:42:02 how is it? Oct 23 00:42:09 Very good. Oct 23 00:42:25 uhm. well since you can't do a damn thing with it until you sign in with your gmail account, I have no idea Oct 23 00:42:39 Voice quality on the G1 is as good as any phone I've used. Oct 23 00:42:59 the keyboard is a little hard to type on. They ought to have raised the keys a little bit and given the slightest more tactile response. when the screen slides out it wiggles a little but doesn't feel too flimsy Oct 23 00:43:07 It doesn't drop calls like certain other capacitative touchscreen phones that shall remain nameless . . . Oct 23 00:43:15 lol Oct 23 00:43:28 3G is lightning fast, so effin fast Oct 23 00:43:33 WTF Oct 23 00:43:33 Certain other $300 phones . . . Oct 23 00:43:33 list dsl speeds Oct 23 00:43:49 like* Oct 23 00:44:10 interesting Oct 23 00:44:12 My G1 was sitting there, ON, full battery, I looked down at it, and it's off. And, it won't turn back on Oct 23 00:44:19 WTF Oct 23 00:44:28 After_Math: To be honest, 3G is just living up to its potential. It's not on a saturated network like ATT. Oct 23 00:44:57 axi0m, I know, I still think its going to be really fast Oct 23 00:44:57 After_Math: If you're in OC, CA, ATT is saturated. Trust me, I've been on there for over 2 years. Oct 23 00:45:02 axi0m: agreed, I just stoppd by the store and i got consistent 500-700kbps speeds. Oct 23 00:45:04 has anyone accessed the android market yet? Oct 23 00:45:17 axi0m, haha at least they have a family data plan thoug Oct 23 00:45:28 gambler, ya Oct 23 00:45:33 gambler: I think everyone has. ;) Oct 23 00:45:34 languish, any luck Oct 23 00:45:37 no Oct 23 00:45:47 gonna pull the battery Oct 23 00:45:59 right now, it's a fucking brick Oct 23 00:46:05 WTF Oct 23 00:46:07 damn Oct 23 00:46:09 looks like I jinxed someone. Oct 23 00:46:20 * waldo_ is away: auto-away Oct 23 00:46:38 TMO was the perfect network for this phone, because it's not all messed up like ATT. Oct 23 00:46:57 * waldo_ is back (gone 00:00:37) Oct 23 00:46:58 ("messed up" == oversold bandwidth) Oct 23 00:47:00 axi0m, here it is Oct 23 00:47:02 ah Oct 23 00:47:10 axi0m: just you wait Oct 23 00:47:12 here the signal is unstable as hell Oct 23 00:47:24 woohoo got the last g1 in the store (& cancelled my preorder) Oct 23 00:47:47 languish: That is only a limitation of their current deployment. Oct 23 00:48:15 I live in Santa Ana, CA. It's not on the list of TMO cities, but we fall under the Los Angeles umbrella. Oct 23 00:48:25 And Santa Ana is *really* far from LA. Oct 23 00:48:56 So when they say they have a city, it basically means they have every high-population area in surrounding areas. Oct 23 00:49:32 ok well i'm gonna go get a 6 pack to entertain myself while I wait for this to start working Oct 23 00:49:33 You can drive up and down California coastline and not lose 3G. Oct 23 00:49:57 If you go inland, you might. But who lives there??? ;) Oct 23 00:50:34 pulling the battery worked Oct 23 00:50:41 but WTF did it just brick itself like that Oct 23 00:50:51 you can be in a submarine on the coast and also get 3G i heard Oct 23 00:50:53 take it back Oct 23 00:50:55 get a new one Oct 23 00:51:00 languish: I used Google's remote bricking feature Oct 23 00:51:06 Rob-cs, really what source? Oct 23 00:51:17 * languish drops a brick on yakischloba Oct 23 00:51:19 languish: After_Math is right. My phone has been very solid. So has my wife's. Oct 23 00:51:31 axi0m, my wife's is fine Oct 23 00:51:45 languish: All the more reason to trade yours back. Oct 23 00:52:02 yeah. I'd just go get it over with. Oct 23 00:52:11 TMO is very very cool in terms of customer service. Oct 23 00:52:32 I think they have different rules that ATT and Sprint, or something. Oct 23 00:52:52 TMO reps really seem to try harder than other carriers. Oct 23 00:53:06 * axi0m is totally not astroturfing, BTW. Oct 23 00:53:09 axi0m, ya they are, I called to see if I could get a better deal on my dang Partial upgrades, and I couldnt, so the dude hooked me up with a $60 credit to my bill :) Oct 23 00:53:13 i've been with tmo since 2000, when they took over my previous carrier, and I was with that carrier when they merged with my carrier before that Oct 23 00:53:21 Mac has an ELITE customer service Oct 23 00:53:39 I've been on GSM with tmo since before they were tmo Oct 23 00:53:55 and I know how badly their customer service can suck Oct 23 00:54:18 I have dealt with all major carriers besides Verizon, and TMO has been the best so far. I think they understand they have to work harder. If only Sprint could figure that out . . . Oct 23 00:54:44 Lol Arnold is funny Oct 23 00:54:53 sprint doesn't have customer service Oct 23 00:55:03 languish: CS can *always* suck. It's a matter of who picks up the phone on the other end. Oct 23 00:55:04 tmo's sucks, but sprint only has customer disservice Oct 23 00:55:21 What are the conditions that TMobile will let you unlock it from their service? Oct 23 00:55:23 The weird thing about Sprint is that their business CS is really good. Oct 23 00:55:34 that's like dell Oct 23 00:55:35 yakischloba: I believe 3 months. Oct 23 00:55:50 Sprint WiMax Android Phone Will = Awesome Oct 23 00:55:52 hmm Oct 23 00:55:55 anyone know how sim locks work? Oct 23 00:55:56 as long as the hardware is decent Oct 23 00:55:56 languish, axi0m is all really about social engineering ;) it really is Oct 23 00:55:58 languish: Dell's CS kicks ASS if you have an XPS system. (I do.) Oct 23 00:56:19 axi0m, lol ya and if you dont mind talking to Indians :) Oct 23 00:56:19 After_Math, I'm well aware Oct 23 00:56:19 Yeah, it's about talking to ppl the right way. Oct 23 00:56:41 After_Math: XPS CS is all North American operators, actually. Oct 23 00:56:51 It's wonderfully refreshing. Oct 23 00:57:13 I'd rather people just do their job when I'm nice to them, and not wait until I have to use influence for them to handle simple issues Oct 23 00:57:19 (Not that I dislike Indians. Just that calling XPS support gets you someone who can do more than just read a flowchart.) Oct 23 00:57:44 languish: You just have to BS your way up to lvl 2 support. Oct 23 00:58:01 Tell them you're a computer professional. (And I'm guessing you are.) Oct 23 00:58:28 I think you miss my point Oct 23 00:58:35 I know the ins and outs of the game Oct 23 00:58:44 We have 2 Indian guys, and 30 white dudes, and people somehow get the impression that their phonecalls are getting routed to India Oct 23 00:58:46 there is no such thing as level 2 support Oct 23 00:58:54 they just transfer you to another random operator Oct 23 00:58:58 I just don't appreciate paying for a service where suport has to be a hurdle Oct 23 00:59:18 umdk1d3, nah.. I've worked my way to actual engineers Oct 23 00:59:31 I justs houldn't have had to Oct 23 00:59:39 languish: are kernel logs accessible? Oct 23 01:00:02 no idea buddy, I'm not deving android Oct 23 01:00:23 languish: no, but it will help people diagnose your problem and make sure you dont have a systemic issue. Oct 23 01:00:30 languish: You need to understand that the ppl answering the phone are used to the least common denominator. Oct 23 01:00:32 I'm just a lowly customer taking a ride on the fun green guy Oct 23 01:01:15 languish: Welcome to capitalism. ;) Oct 23 01:01:24 axi0m, I'm well aware. I've done CS for a legitimate (yes one exists!) 3rd party reseller/master dealer while learning their business as one of my clients Oct 23 01:02:31 languish: Then you understand that the average CS rep can't be described as "average". Skillsets range from super-overqualified to "has a pulse". Oct 23 01:02:41 I sat down for a few months handling inbounds width respect and decency, and learned from the inside just how much I dislike the cellular industry Oct 23 01:02:47 I just happen to like the gadgets Oct 23 01:03:02 and sadly, the fucktards in the biz come attached Oct 23 01:03:21 languish: I don't think anyone can "like" an industry once they've truly seen its dirty side. Oct 23 01:03:40 axi0m, my real issue is with the telco policies, more internal than not, that result in poor CS Oct 23 01:03:57 * waldo_ is away: auto-away Oct 23 01:04:12 languish: The more you experience, I'll wager, the more you'll see that bad CS is an epidemic. Oct 23 01:04:25 of couurse Oct 23 01:04:42 It's just bad business to use your smart ppl on CS lines. Not that it doesn't happen. Oct 23 01:04:44 I'm just not interested in sitting by and accepting it Oct 23 01:05:14 It's bad business to spend money and good business to receive money. Oct 23 01:05:25 "oh that's the way it is, company policy, business as usual, industry practice" Oct 23 01:05:35 Once someone has accepted that, interactions with corporations become much more predictable. Oct 23 01:06:07 languish: where are you in NYC? my web doesn't work over 3g at home or at work and i have 4 bars in both locations Oct 23 01:06:12 So you don't pay your CS ppl more than $15/hr. You get crap CS, but you are doing the "right" thing as far as your shareholders are concerned. Oct 23 01:06:45 I have the knowlege, skills, position and influence to get what I want. I just don't apreciate having to go past "this is my issues, how can you help me reslove it?" Oct 23 01:06:47 I just saw a G1 commercial Oct 23 01:06:58 for those who were wondering about it. Oct 23 01:07:01 I personally would not get out of bed for less than $25/hr. Even then I would resent it. Oct 23 01:07:39 I think many of the ppl you talk to on CS lines are probably of the same mindset. Oct 23 01:07:41 if you;re talking hourly wage, we're already in different worlds Oct 23 01:07:53 anyway Oct 23 01:08:02 WTF brick phone WTF Oct 23 01:08:07 languish: I'm talking salary divided by 40hrs/wk. Oct 23 01:08:37 Last job I had was 85k. I don't think I will take much less than that. Oct 23 01:09:01 *sigh* and pac-man still won't download Oct 23 01:09:56 axi0m: you should probably include a disclaimer somewhere along the lines of, "BTW, I live in LA" Oct 23 01:09:58 gotta be something wonky with this handset Oct 23 01:10:26 unix_remote: BTW, I live in OC and have a condo that *used* to be worth over $300k. Oct 23 01:11:03 even now that's just starting price in my area Oct 23 01:11:15 languish: It's a small condo. :) Oct 23 01:11:26 I'm guessing you're on the coast, too. Oct 23 01:11:31 east Oct 23 01:11:46 All the bargains are on the West Coast now. Oct 23 01:12:02 pac man is in the market Oct 23 01:12:02 dev question: is there a good way of stopping the "beep" when hitting the volume keys in an app? im overriding the onKey event to capture them for my app, but it still makes the beep at the current ringer volume Oct 23 01:12:04 You just have to be rich enough to pay cash, cause God help you if you need a loan. Oct 23 01:12:37 wastrel, yes. it doesn't download for me. I get an alert that says "Download Declined" Oct 23 01:13:10 then when I press it, a message that stated it was declind because I haven't purchased it Oct 23 01:13:19 google knows about it Oct 23 01:13:20 * waldo_ is back (gone 00:09:23) Oct 23 01:13:23 they're working on it Oct 23 01:13:33 languish: just installed over wifi for me :] Oct 23 01:13:47 languish: NYC? Oct 23 01:13:59 but I'd think the one app they showed off over and over again, would have been in the market earlier and been trouble free Oct 23 01:14:04 axi0m, yep Oct 23 01:14:24 it worked on my wife's handset Oct 23 01:14:29 languish: NYC kicks ass, but the cost of living is the highest in the nation, probably. Oct 23 01:14:29 so something's off with mine Oct 23 01:14:58 axi0m it's actually not the highest, but it's up there, And Tokyo is worse. Oct 23 01:15:07 I'm well aware Oct 23 01:16:07 I guess when you figure that you don't really need a car in NYC, it's not so bad. Oct 23 01:16:24 zipcar Oct 23 01:17:36 Depends on what you do. I'm sure I spend enough on taxi's cabs and limo service each year, not to mention public transportation, to buy a car for both my wife and I Oct 23 01:18:40 The subway in NYC is still unique to North America. Pretty comprehensive. Oct 23 01:19:19 I grew up with it, so it's not such a novelty to me Oct 23 01:19:21 *shrug* Oct 23 01:19:23 If only we had a subway here in SoCal. Everyone needs a car here. Oct 23 01:19:46 * jbq_ wishes for a Paris-like transportation system in the SF area Oct 23 01:20:27 It'd be nice if the MTA would figure out how to get some environmental control going in subway stations Oct 23 01:20:38 freezing in the winter, sweltering in the summer Oct 23 01:21:21 I think Cali was developed after Detroit had *way* too much influence. Oct 23 01:21:27 They wanted us to use cars. Oct 23 01:22:04 languish: you guys have some of the best public transit in the nation. Oct 23 01:22:05 Well, it'd be more difficult to build an underground in cali Oct 23 01:22:14 plus the earthquake issues Oct 23 01:22:23 unix_remote: They have *the* best PT in the nation. Oct 23 01:22:33 NYC is mostly solid bedrock, with inconsequencial tremors Oct 23 01:22:39 One of the big issues is population density - when the density is low (like it is pretty much everywhere in CA) public transportation makes no sense. Oct 23 01:22:46 axi0m: maybe, I personally think Boston and surrounding has better public transit. Oct 23 01:23:01 languish: well forget one app in the app store not working, i can't get web or the app store on 3g at all :] Oct 23 01:23:12 I hated how in Boston the subway doesn't go to the airport. Oct 23 01:23:17 jbq, where there is public transportation, population inceases Oct 23 01:23:23 jbq_: doesn't in SF either Oct 23 01:23:26 or oakland for that matter Oct 23 01:23:28 * axi0m would argue that transportation dictates population density, and not the other way 'round. Oct 23 01:23:38 wastrel :( Oct 23 01:23:40 wastrel: BART goes to SFO. Oct 23 01:23:49 ah that's right it does now Oct 23 01:24:17 No expressways == no development. Oct 23 01:24:52 jbq_: i left in 2004 and never used the sfo extension :] Oct 23 01:24:53 yes, but people just build shittier connecting roads instead at the state level Oct 23 01:25:01 But put an expressway in the middle of nowhere and intersect another expressway, and you have a city. Oct 23 01:25:16 axi0m: interesting theory. Employment definitely does, so why not transportation (since transportation is a way to decouple employment from housing) Oct 23 01:25:20 axi0m: sorry man, it didn't work that way Oct 23 01:25:33 not historically at least Oct 23 01:26:01 Adamant: Then please explain why people live in such God-forsaken areas of the American Southwest. Oct 23 01:26:05 people built shitty connecting roads from existing city to city Oct 23 01:26:27 Adamant: Explain Indianapolis, or any other non-organic city, for that matter. Oct 23 01:26:34 and then later they build better ones with Interstates and such Oct 23 01:26:41 axi0m, not just the southwest, there are small towns in upstate new york.. that are astraight out of a horror movie Oct 23 01:26:42 No waterways used to mean no city. Oct 23 01:26:57 Now no expressway means no city. Oct 23 01:27:04 axi0m: most of the cities in the Southwest have been there forever Oct 23 01:27:11 interesting case, Reno, NV: saloon and brothels stopped there and didn't go up the mountains after having moved all the way across NV when the railroad was built. Oct 23 01:27:23 Look at Vegas, for instance. Who on Earth would build a city there without a road? Oct 23 01:27:45 axi0m, explain the town in alaska Palin is from. It's so disconnected a ferry or a plane are the only ways in. Oct 23 01:27:49 Nothing special about many cities other than transportation. Oct 23 01:27:51 axi0m: gamblers looking for favorable regulation? Oct 23 01:28:07 that's the real reason Vegas was located there Oct 23 01:28:14 Adamant: Yes, but why *there*. It hold no value other than it was on Rte. 66. Oct 23 01:28:17 otherwise it's just ABQ Oct 23 01:28:23 She could still see Russia from there Oct 23 01:28:47 Laz, we should leave her there to keep them ob their side Oct 23 01:28:52 *on Oct 23 01:28:54 :/ Oct 23 01:28:55 axi0m: because NV was the only state casino gambling was legal Oct 23 01:29:23 that's why. and there aren't a lot of nicer spots in NV Oct 23 01:29:24 mormon settlers were there before US66, and the spanish name suggests that the place was worth naming still before that. There's water, and flat land, which is rare in that area. Oct 23 01:30:06 Adamant: But there is nothing special about Vegas other than its proximity to an existing highway. Oct 23 01:30:11 lol Oct 23 01:30:14 I give up Oct 23 01:30:19 believe what you want. Oct 23 01:30:20 * waldo_ is away: auto-away Oct 23 01:30:25 If gambling were legalized across NV, then why Vegas? Oct 23 01:30:29 ;) Oct 23 01:30:43 somne hot chick bent over Oct 23 01:30:48 the rest was history Oct 23 01:30:50 axi0m: what parts are nicer that are also on the way to Cali? Oct 23 01:30:56 easily Oct 23 01:31:16 Actually, other than Vegas and Reno (and arguably winnemucca (sp?) and elko), pretty much every gambling place in NV is at the border. Oct 23 01:31:30 Adamant: You illustrate my point. *On the way to Cali*. Oct 23 01:31:42 axi0m: no road required Oct 23 01:31:50 "On the way to Cali" == road or passage. Oct 23 01:31:54 By definition. Oct 23 01:32:13 let me introduce you to the Conenstoga wagon Oct 23 01:32:25 a passage is not a Interstate. Oct 23 01:32:42 You'd better introduce your wagon to some wagon trails or you won't get far. ;) Oct 23 01:32:53 Anyway, I'm more interested about the dynamic between transportation and density at the scale of a city (i.e. commuting distance) rather than a state or a country. Oct 23 01:32:58 axi0m: right, but people frequently offroaded Oct 23 01:33:27 Actually, they traveled on well-known wagon trails in groups. Oct 23 01:33:34 axi0m: again, not always Oct 23 01:33:41 Otherwise they were vulnerable to all kinds of stuff. Oct 23 01:33:52 if they don't travel well-know roads, they end up e.g. in death valley. Oct 23 01:33:52 they were vulnerable to all kinds of stuff anyway Oct 23 01:34:12 jbq: how do you think it got the name of Death Valley? Oct 23 01:34:48 They got lost there, one of the travelers die, they said "let's leave this death valley" when they found the pass out (or something like that). Oct 23 01:34:54 exactly Oct 23 01:35:16 all that because they were looking for a shortcut instead of following the established trail. Oct 23 01:35:21 Adamant: Maybe the highest temperature record? Oct 23 01:35:46 axi0m: yeah, but the temperature is what caused the dying Oct 23 01:36:41 Yes. My whole point is that natural features beget cities, which beget roads, which beget other cities, which beget population growth. Oct 23 01:36:52 Looking at the american southwest at least, it's not hard to imagine that between the rockies, the wasatch range, the great basin and the sierra nevada you're more likely to get through if you follow the trails than if you don't. Oct 23 01:37:15 It all starts with waterways and everything follows from there. Oct 23 01:37:19 hrm Oct 23 01:37:31 railroad tracks Oct 23 01:37:36 People usually don't say, "WTF? We'll build a city here." Oct 23 01:37:42 Well, Mormons did. Oct 23 01:38:03 Usually there are reasons. Oct 23 01:38:11 axi0m: I just think you tend to get Interstates between existing cities more often than cities were created by Interstates Oct 23 01:38:21 if you get what's I'm saying Oct 23 01:38:29 amusingly, it's explicitly the lack of transportation and accessibility that made the mormons settle in SLC: because nobody else would bother to create a city there. Oct 23 01:38:56 yeah, hearing about the Great Salt Lake is a good way to dissuade people from settling Oct 23 01:39:18 ok, the G1/Android collects a lot of information.. such as Kast Time Since Boot, Screen time On, Awake time on battery...etc. I wonder if it registers how many times the screen has been slid up/down. (aka: keyboard opened/closed) Oct 23 01:39:29 K/L Oct 23 01:39:47 ttuttle Oct 23 01:39:49 Hey, how's it going? Oct 23 01:39:54 Adamant: I think we're largely agreed. However, cities like Washington, Indy, Phoenix, etc, could not have existed save for existing roads. Oct 23 01:40:12 languish Oct 23 01:40:13 axi0m: The Mormons built one town every 25 miles in a bunch of different directions so they could be one "community" and get a huge state. Utah was supposed to be a bit bigger than Texas. Oct 23 01:40:19 You know if the G1 tracks how many times the screen's been opened/closed? Oct 23 01:40:24 languish: Hmm. Oct 23 01:40:33 languish: I don't think it does, but you could easily write an app to do so. Oct 23 01:40:48 Lenolium: Interesting. Most things about Mormons are interesting, though. Oct 23 01:41:03 yeah I figured. I just wondered if it was one of the points of data that was collected Oct 23 01:41:21 It'd be a good method of determining wear Oct 23 01:41:26 Things Scientologists do are REALLY interesting, though. Oct 23 01:41:41 uhh scientologists now? Oct 23 01:41:45 :/ Oct 23 01:41:49 hehe - why not? Oct 23 01:42:07 let's not go /b/tarded Oct 23 01:42:09 :| Oct 23 01:42:13 I take it there isnt a giant deluge of new G1 owners rushing to the IRC for help :) Oct 23 01:42:17 They're interesting. If you live on the West Coast they're everywhere. Oct 23 01:42:49 they're everywhere here too, they just don't tell everyone about it Oct 23 01:43:11 and I don't find fanatics to be interesting Oct 23 01:43:14 just dangerous Oct 23 01:43:34 So, show of hands -- who got their G1 today? Oct 23 01:43:40 2 days ago Oct 23 01:43:48 and it's having issues Oct 23 01:43:49 :/ Oct 23 01:43:54 languish: oh? Oct 23 01:44:00 marcone: you there? Oct 23 01:44:04 languish: Like what? Oct 23 01:44:11 ttuttle: i already was told i had to factory reset mine. Oct 23 01:44:19 jasta: What went wrong? Oct 23 01:44:33 jasta: Also, remember, tech support thinks that reboot/reinstall/replace are the three only ways to fix something. Oct 23 01:44:36 no clue. but adb uninstall -k is very dangerous apparently Oct 23 01:44:39 * waldo_ is back (gone 00:14:19) Oct 23 01:44:43 jasta: Er, so you broke it? Oct 23 01:44:49 ttuttle: no, it was google engineers who recommended i reset. Oct 23 01:44:57 jasta: But who ran adb uninstall -k? Oct 23 01:44:58 ttuttle: no, i didnt break it. Oct 23 01:45:09 i did, but that command is not "break your phone" Oct 23 01:45:16 jasta: No, it shouldn't be. Hmm. Oct 23 01:45:22 jasta: Did they get a bugreport from you? Oct 23 01:45:26 Try rm -rf / Oct 23 01:45:27 ttuttle, today alone... it can't download pac-man.. says I haven't "paid" for it. And, I set it down.. it was fully charged and on. I picked it up a few minuted later, and it was off, and wouldn't turn back on. I had to remove the battery and replace it, to get it to turn on again Oct 23 01:45:27 trust me, we've already hammered through this issue. the bug is in. Oct 23 01:45:28 hehe Oct 23 01:45:38 jasta: Okay, cool. Oct 23 01:45:51 so what's the latest on having an ssh client Oct 23 01:45:54 I got mine!! Oct 23 01:45:54 languish: That's very odd. I've downloaded Pac-man fine, and I've got a production G1. Did you try again? Oct 23 01:45:57 waldo_: congrats! Oct 23 01:46:08 ttuttle thanks... it was on backorder but I went into the store and bought it anyway :) Oct 23 01:46:09 ttuttle, my wife's downloaded it fine. Oct 23 01:46:16 waldo_: heh Oct 23 01:46:19 and yes, i tried again a few times Oct 23 01:46:30 none of this november 10 bs for me :) Oct 23 01:46:32 languish: Did you try trading phones with your wife? Oct 23 01:46:38 languish: Suggestion: try going to Settings > Applications > Manage applications and remove the data for Market. Oct 23 01:46:46 hrm Oct 23 01:46:49 languish: I do not know if this will work, or break things. It's just an idea. Oct 23 01:46:53 nod Oct 23 01:46:57 I'll give it a shot Oct 23 01:47:03 so now I seriously need me some ssh! Oct 23 01:47:04 languish: Perhaps the Market cached the erroneous idea that Pac-man costs money. Oct 23 01:47:11 morrildl already took some info from me earlier Oct 23 01:47:13 languish: ah Oct 23 01:47:22 they know somethings going on Oct 23 01:47:25 just not what Oct 23 01:47:28 okay Oct 23 01:47:29 *shrug* Oct 23 01:48:18 languish: SHIT, mine's doing that too! Oct 23 01:48:36 ? Oct 23 01:48:42 languish: Mine won't let me buy Pac-Man! Oct 23 01:48:43 pac-man? Oct 23 01:48:46 :| Oct 23 01:48:48 languish i still get the error also Oct 23 01:48:54 :\ Oct 23 01:48:56 languish: Luckily the eng build I have comes with a version of Pac-Man. Oct 23 01:49:03 d'oh Oct 23 01:49:07 * ttuttle suspects a server-side issue. Oct 23 01:49:24 ttuttle: all in all, i'm really happy with the G1 though Oct 23 01:49:28 jasta: Good to hear. Oct 23 01:49:29 yeah, something about misidentifying the sim card Oct 23 01:49:36 T-Mobile service I could do without, but I think it will be good enough for my purposes. Oct 23 01:49:39 jasta: It's rough around the edges, but it's really a cool phone. Oct 23 01:49:45 one thing i can't figure out tho... Oct 23 01:49:47 no, it's a cool OS Oct 23 01:49:50 the phone is crap Oct 23 01:49:54 jasta: And it shows that Android probably has a future. Oct 23 01:50:00 when switching between EDGE/3G (which happens a lot in my house), my downloads seem to just suspend indefinitely Oct 23 01:50:04 languish: Eh, I don't mind it that much. But I grew attached to mine over the summer coding for it. Oct 23 01:50:06 until HttpClient4 times out. Oct 23 01:50:10 heh Oct 23 01:50:12 however the radio isnt busy, and starting a new download works fine Oct 23 01:50:13 jasta: Hrm. Definitely report that. It should restart by itself. Oct 23 01:50:20 so i'm not sure what google's "strategy" is for this. Oct 23 01:50:20 the phone has some nice features. but.. Oct 23 01:50:32 jasta: Actually, I think the EDGE/3G handoff is supposed to keep your data connection alive. Oct 23 01:50:39 jasta: That should be handled by the radio stuff. Oct 23 01:50:40 ttuttle: well actually, i dont think that it should. these are downloads i control and if the channel they operate over changes they should be restarted at the application layer Oct 23 01:51:01 oh, well, in that case ok. but it didnt seem to be the behaviour the browser used. Oct 23 01:51:03 jasta: I think there's a protocol for keeping the data connection when switching between the two. Oct 23 01:51:07 the browser seemd to have some sophistication to retry Oct 23 01:51:18 jasta: Yeah, it's fairly clever. Does still screw up occasionally. Oct 23 01:51:24 or at least was more resilient somehow than my app Oct 23 01:51:28 jasta: I haven't had a chance to test the edge-3g switch, as I only have edge :-\ Oct 23 01:51:39 jasta: There's a listener you can register to hear about data connectivity changes. Oct 23 01:51:45 ttuttle, can't clear the market info. no option for it Oct 23 01:51:50 languish: :-( Oct 23 01:51:54 well, i have worse than EDGE at my house really. the radio switches so often that it hardly ever works on either Oct 23 01:51:57 i did clear the downloads data Oct 23 01:51:59 jasta: :-( Oct 23 01:52:01 jasta: T-Mobile-- Oct 23 01:52:02 see if that works' Oct 23 01:52:16 jasta: just disable 3g radio--also saves battery Oct 23 01:52:29 umdk1d3: /me has his disabled, as it doesn't work with AT&T anyway. Oct 23 01:52:31 umdk1d3: well, then i'll have to enable it every time i leave the house Oct 23 01:52:55 jasta: use locale to enable it when it detect you leave the house :P Oct 23 01:52:56 actually.... hehe Oct 23 01:53:02 actually, i dont think they can do that :/ Oct 23 01:53:19 umdk1d3: i was about to say i could make something fire an intent from the home screen Oct 23 01:53:25 but then i dont think i have the ability to do this. Oct 23 01:53:30 i cant request that type of permission i think Oct 23 01:53:34 you could ask for the right permissions Oct 23 01:53:37 orly? Oct 23 01:53:43 right but is that permission available? Oct 23 01:53:56 no go Oct 23 01:53:56 its all opensource now, so might be easy enough to find the code that handles it Oct 23 01:54:07 my pac-man is a chevy Oct 23 01:54:10 no va Oct 23 01:54:17 nova rofl Oct 23 01:54:24 anyone used the alarm clock? what's it sound like? Oct 23 01:54:28 baby is sleeping so i don't want to test Oct 23 01:54:34 wastrel: its crazy scary Oct 23 01:54:37 wastrel: there are a couple alarms Oct 23 01:54:40 wastrel, it depends on what ring you use. Oct 23 01:54:43 wastrel: just turn your volume down Oct 23 01:54:46 default sounds like a smoke detector Oct 23 01:54:53 actually, it disregards volume Oct 23 01:55:06 which is nice, cuz i sleep with it on vibrate Oct 23 01:55:07 "oh" :o) Oct 23 01:55:08 * jbq suggests http://git.source.android.com/?p=platform/packages/providers/DownloadProvider.git;a=tree;f=src/com/android/providers/downloads and shuts up because he's not sure he's allowed to speak about Android Oct 23 01:55:19 wastrel, BUT.... if you put it down with the speaker facing down.. it cuts a lot of the sound Oct 23 01:55:30 languish: good point Oct 23 01:55:35 i think thats what that "nub" is for Oct 23 01:55:36 you have to rest it screen down Oct 23 01:55:39 yeah Oct 23 01:55:44 to actually hold it off the table a little bit Oct 23 01:55:49 what the hell is DownloadProvider? Oct 23 01:55:51 i do that when using speakerphone Oct 23 01:56:16 k, i smushed it down on the pillow and tested :] Oct 23 01:56:22 good idea about muffling the speaker Oct 23 01:56:22 the one thing I do like.. is the call quality Oct 23 01:56:36 the background noise reduction is very good Oct 23 01:56:40 it's much better than my old phone (the call quality) Oct 23 01:56:45 jasta: it's code that handles downloads for several applications in the G1. You can't use it directly (yet) but you can see how it's built. Please don' ask me about it, or I'll get in trouble. Oct 23 01:56:55 okay so question for people: have you noticed the GSM chirping in the built-in speaker during calls? Oct 23 01:57:14 jbq: uhm, why? the source is public? Oct 23 01:57:17 one of the worst places in NYC to be on the phone with someone, is walking along 34th street, between broadway and 8th ave. Oct 23 01:57:21 maybe they forgot to put RF shielding in mine :/ Oct 23 01:57:28 and the noise reduction made it bearable Oct 23 01:57:40 jbq: i mean, thanks, but i'm confused why you couldn't talk about a public thing hehe Oct 23 01:57:45 * jbq is banned Oct 23 01:57:54 o.o Oct 23 01:58:13 ok sure. anyway, thanks, i'll read through this to see if i can find any magic Oct 23 01:59:45 can an app read the /data partition ? Oct 23 02:00:46 jbq: christ, there is a lot of logic here. but nothing looks to directly relate to what i was seeing (read just blocked indefinitely) Oct 23 02:00:55 so i'm wondering if AndroidHttpClient must contain some more sensible defaults? Oct 23 02:03:02 oh interesting, there is a lot of useful defaults here Oct 23 02:03:16 jbq: thanks a bunch, this will prove very helpful Oct 23 02:03:21 np Oct 23 02:05:04 i can't believe the sophistication you have here checking exceptions and all :) Oct 23 02:05:52 * jbq is still banned, sorry (working on it) Oct 23 02:07:08 hey, silly question, if I add a shortcut to the desktop, is there a way to drag it to another page? Oct 23 02:07:47 ok, i just pulled an Alt+W on my G1 Oct 23 02:08:17 go go factory reset Oct 23 02:08:24 ? Oct 23 02:08:38 for serious? Oct 23 02:08:41 yes Oct 23 02:08:47 what is Alt+W? Oct 23 02:08:54 factory reset Oct 23 02:08:58 awww man all that trouble to get the ndroid kernel was useless cant use te userspace since its yyfs Oct 23 02:09:04 it's that easy? Oct 23 02:09:12 jasta, no.. there's more to it Oct 23 02:09:12 what's yyfs? Oct 23 02:09:25 yet another flash filesystem Oct 23 02:09:36 at least, he prolly means yaffs Oct 23 02:09:39 raw flash Oct 23 02:09:48 yaffs ya Oct 23 02:10:10 so wha can i do now? Oct 23 02:12:49 sigh. i was hoping my number would have been ported over by bedtime so I could at least see the home screen. Oct 23 02:12:52 CRAP Oct 23 02:13:09 factory reset and pac-man is still declined Oct 23 02:13:13 *sigh* Oct 23 02:13:56 number ports usually are quick but damn if sometimes they don't take over a week or more Oct 23 02:14:01 do i have to change the filesystem in the userspace or is there any easier route? Oct 23 02:14:25 its been about 4 hours now Oct 23 02:14:38 haha only 4 hours? Oct 23 02:14:48 how long did they tell you it'd take? Oct 23 02:14:50 i've had 1 person tell me it took an hour, and 2 people tell me it took 4-5 hours Oct 23 02:14:54 they told me Oct 23 02:14:57 nod Oct 23 02:15:00 2-48 hours Oct 23 02:15:05 quite a range there Oct 23 02:15:07 bwhaha android.provider.Telephony.SECRET_CODE is a reference to http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4636.txt Oct 23 02:15:23 ummm.... Oct 23 02:15:28 lol Oct 23 02:16:57 I suppose it wouldn't have mattered much if I got a new number but I've had mine for about 8 years now so I felt it would have been dumb to change it Oct 23 02:17:18 nod Oct 23 02:17:30 i have a pretty coveted phone # Oct 23 02:17:37 hah Oct 23 02:17:39 I'd be pissed to lose it Oct 23 02:17:56 so anyoneknow when you can buy dream for full retail and howmuch? Oct 23 02:18:17 BruteForce, now, but you still need to sign a contract Oct 23 02:18:37 the # they assigned me is godawful Oct 23 02:18:43 :( Oct 23 02:18:52 that not what i meant Oct 23 02:18:53 you CAN request another number Oct 23 02:19:03 BruteForce, I know what you mean Oct 23 02:19:06 i meant full retail no contract Oct 23 02:19:15 347 area code Oct 23 02:19:16 ebay Oct 23 02:19:16 I got two wrong # calls within an hour of my activation :-( Oct 23 02:19:32 i heard only like 30 days since htc isnt gay like apple Oct 23 02:19:49 BruteForce, put it this way.. each carrier customizes android for their own network Oct 23 02:20:09 ah you just want the hardware, no OS? Oct 23 02:20:38 or rather no carrier customization Oct 23 02:20:57 I wonder if it'd even be useable at that point Oct 23 02:21:20 heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, web works on 3g now Oct 23 02:21:28 cool wastrel :) Oct 23 02:21:38 what made the difference? Oct 23 02:21:52 languish what are you talking bout lmao...its like 3 settings to et network specific stuff Oct 23 02:22:06 oh no i lied, that page was cached. :[ Oct 23 02:22:11 (from wifi) Oct 23 02:22:12 o.O Oct 23 02:22:14 lol Oct 23 02:22:20 just like any other linux based phone Oct 23 02:22:37 plus i use tmob anyways Oct 23 02:24:11 wee? Oct 23 02:24:54 neeeeeeeettttttttttttttsssssppppppllllliiiiiittttttttt Oct 23 02:24:56 ahhhhh Oct 23 02:28:58 what's with all the leaving/entering? Oct 23 02:29:19 "netsplits" irc servers are having interconnection problems Oct 23 02:29:37 netsplit Oct 23 02:29:48 ah Oct 23 02:30:00 this is a network of servers connected. different users connected to different servers, all sharing a common feed. if servers desynch or disconnect you see a split... Oct 23 02:30:21 and the users on different sides of the split.. go with the server they were connected to Oct 23 02:30:43 * umdk1d3 splits your net Oct 23 02:30:56 * languish nets your income Oct 23 02:32:33 * umdk1d3 incomes your dinner Oct 23 02:32:56 * yakischloba splits with your net income Oct 23 02:33:29 is there any example code showing how to load data with android? Classloaders appear very broken, so the code I'm porting isn't happy Oct 23 02:33:37 i remember my first netsplit.. reagen was in office... Oct 23 02:33:39 * waldo_ is away: auto-away Oct 23 02:33:50 BruteForce: :o) Oct 23 02:33:54 tmccrary: classloaders won't work Oct 23 02:34:30 hmm, looks like Context.openFileOutput? Oct 23 02:34:37 this is going to be some fun refactoring Oct 23 02:34:57 input/output obviously Oct 23 02:35:11 is that the "one true way" to load data with Android? Oct 23 02:35:26 its good to see geeks are more socially accepted. i wish knowing c and basic wen i was a teen would have gotten me laid Oct 23 02:35:34 when Oct 23 02:36:26 BruteForce: still doesnt. ideas are the currency of the future, not fluency. Oct 23 02:36:56 speak for yourself Oct 23 02:37:37 is ther a file manager? Oct 23 02:38:30 PoohbaLT: not by default Oct 23 02:38:45 and it's not very useful because most of the internal storage is read protected Oct 23 02:38:57 the file manager would give you access to only the external memory card really Oct 23 02:39:29 Could not find AndroidMail.apk! Oct 23 02:40:08 when debugging the Email app in ganymede Oct 23 02:40:39 I've never seen an AndroidMail.apk Oct 23 02:40:54 I found an Email.apk in the droid code base ... could that be the same thing? Oct 23 02:40:54 Email.apk on the other hand... Oct 23 02:41:09 AndroidMail.apk does not exist Oct 23 02:41:23 * waldo_ is back (gone 00:07:44) Oct 23 02:41:25 I don't know why you're looking for that :) Oct 23 02:41:29 so yes, Email.apk is what you want Oct 23 02:41:36 I'm not looking for it ... Oct 23 02:41:40 the Email app is Oct 23 02:41:44 is there a BashShell.apk :) Oct 23 02:42:01 that's the error I get when debugging "Could not find AndroidMail.apk!" Oct 23 02:42:05 romainguy__: nice touch having a menu button to open the notif tray. i really enjoy that for fast access :) Oct 23 02:42:13 :) Oct 23 02:42:19 notif tray? Oct 23 02:42:25 ah notification. what app? Oct 23 02:42:29 Home Oct 23 02:42:35 Menu > Notifications Oct 23 02:42:38 beautiful. Oct 23 02:43:04 esp if your hands are slightly dirty and you dont want to smudge all over the screen hehe Oct 23 02:43:11 pfft1: the debugger or the email app have no reason to look for an apk Oct 23 02:43:28 jasta: we tried to make the device entirely usable by trackball Oct 23 02:43:36 there are operations you cannot do on Home with the trackball Oct 23 02:43:49 ok ... then do you have any idea why i'm getting that in the "Problems" tab while running the debugger Oct 23 02:43:50 but other than that, you should be able to pretty much never (read rarely) touch the screen Oct 23 02:43:51 is anyone having issues compiling the kernel Oct 23 02:44:07 compiled great for me Oct 23 02:44:08 ? Oct 23 02:44:09 * unix_remote is so glad you guys rolled out the trackball and not the dpad. Oct 23 02:44:21 pfft1: it looks like a configuration problem in your Eclipse Oct 23 02:44:26 i keep getting an error about java, and it's not the one at the end of the tutorial. Oct 23 02:44:31 unix_infidel: yeah but a dpad is much better for games Oct 23 02:44:36 Cooldude1922: what's the error? Oct 23 02:44:37 I mean the kernel not the SDK Oct 23 02:44:45 romainguy_: imagine that ... an ideas on getting the config better? Oct 23 02:44:52 unix_infidel: Quake is annoying to play :)) Oct 23 02:44:56 though, forthcoming on screen keyboard should make portrait experience much more enjoyable. Oct 23 02:44:56 romainguy__: i'm really pleased with how this comes together on real hardware. Oct 23 02:44:59 yes the kernel compiled fine for me Oct 23 02:45:00 romainguy__: saw that same issue in market, where filling an adapter after the listview has layed-out somehow kills the trackball Oct 23 02:45:02 build/core/product_config.mk:229: WARNING: adding test OTA key Oct 23 02:45:02 make: *** No rule to make target `Please-install-JDK-5.0,-update-12-or-higher,-which-you-can-download-from-java.sun.com', needed by `out/target/common/docs/framework-timestamp'. Stop. Oct 23 02:45:03 jasta: glad you like it Oct 23 02:45:12 romainguy__: i've been tweaking my app all day with small bug fixes and ui changes hehe Oct 23 02:45:13 jasta: mine comes in tomorrow, you insensitive clod! Oct 23 02:45:14 umdk1d3: yes I know about the Market issue Oct 23 02:45:17 and I've installed the SDK like a trillion times.... Oct 23 02:45:17 ;) Oct 23 02:45:19 umdk1d3: but I blame them too :) Oct 23 02:45:32 i suppose if they returned results /fast/ enough Oct 23 02:45:33 if anyone knows the fix for this please pm me. Oct 23 02:45:38 jasta: is your app working nicely on the hardware? Oct 23 02:45:38 unix_remote: what's the news of the onscreen keyboard? Oct 23 02:45:46 wastrel: they are working on it. Oct 23 02:45:48 romainguy__: well, for the most part. if you're on 3G, yes. Oct 23 02:45:48 umdk1d3: that should not matter Oct 23 02:45:52 probably a bug in ListView Oct 23 02:45:58 ListVIew is a very complex piece of code Oct 23 02:46:06 have a go at it if you feel lucky :) Oct 23 02:46:07 romainguy__: but i have pretty dodgy EDGE service at my home and it doesnt work well there. i've been pointed in a helpful direction tho Oct 23 02:46:11 actually, i was crashing earlier because my api was returning results /too/ fast so that the adapter was changing between getCount() and getView() =O Oct 23 02:46:23 (LIstView + async loading + tuch mode + focus is the worst thing you can have to debug on our platform :) Oct 23 02:46:31 fixed by pushing to UI thread in handler Oct 23 02:46:31 it seems that the device when it switches between EDGE and 3G it will occassionally drop a download Oct 23 02:46:41 so if you tighten up the timeouts and retry more frequently it will work better Oct 23 02:46:41 umdk1d3: you must always push changes on the UI thread Oct 23 02:46:47 and that is i think the problem im seeing when my service is bad Oct 23 02:46:53 so nobody knows the answer to this issue? Oct 23 02:47:03 umdk1d3: note that I tried to shield ListView against misues of the UI thread/adapter, but it's not possible to do correctly and efficiently Oct 23 02:47:17 romainguy__: but also, i think i'm gonna need to make a concession and have the server re-encode mp3s when the network throughput is bad Oct 23 02:47:24 umdk1d3: many many bugs that I've seen in ListView were cause by apps misusing the UI thread Oct 23 02:47:25 romainguy__: down to 128kbps maybe Oct 23 02:47:27 Cooldude1922: I need to make a better log during my compiles to make sure I'm not seeing that too Oct 23 02:47:30 jasta: sounds good Oct 23 02:47:38 romainguy__: i was doing the noifydatasetchanged() in a handler, but i didnt realize i needed to actually /do/ the adapter changes in the handler as well Oct 23 02:47:40 well, i hate that compromise, but i think as a setting it will be fine Oct 23 02:47:40 jasta: wish you could encode in AAC 92 :) Oct 23 02:47:52 umdk1d3: yes :) Oct 23 02:47:56 romainguy__: well, i could do whatever. the server is gonna do all this heavy lifting Oct 23 02:48:17 romainguy__: this will just be a generalized feature for format conversion too. so, FLAC will go down to MP3 for consumption on the device Oct 23 02:48:24 Cooldude1922: are you _only_ trying to build the kernel or are you building all of droid? Oct 23 02:48:39 romainguy__: but otherwise, on 3G this thing works beautifully Oct 23 02:48:49 cool Oct 23 02:49:13 now you need to make your server talk with Requiem to support AAC DRM'd files from iTunes ;-) Oct 23 02:49:45 thatll be a job for someone else ;) Oct 23 02:50:42 romainguy__: i'm quite pleased that the streammediaplayer hack performs better on the device than the emulator Oct 23 02:50:51 dont support drm, and people will realize they need to get away from it Oct 23 02:51:57 umdk1d3: yeah right Oct 23 02:52:05 * ttuttle <3 amazonMP3. Oct 23 02:52:12 * umdk1d3 also <3 amazonmp3 Oct 23 02:52:19 * gdsx <3 Shazam Oct 23 02:52:23 * waldo_ is away: auto-away Oct 23 02:52:26 lol Oct 23 02:52:33 * languish <3 u all Oct 23 02:52:37 (except you) Oct 23 02:56:37 Anyone have any idea about this error ... "Could not find AndroidMail.apk!" Oct 23 02:56:52 when does this happen? Oct 23 02:56:58 what do you do to see this? Oct 23 02:57:02 how did you configure your IDE? Oct 23 02:57:07 I click ... Oct 23 02:57:13 you click what? Oct 23 02:57:30 i click DebugAs Android application Oct 23 02:57:35 in eclipse Oct 23 02:57:42 and what is the project you are trying to debug? Oct 23 02:57:48 I configured it to run the Email app Oct 23 02:57:55 here you go Oct 23 02:57:59 its called AndroidMail Oct 23 02:58:12 you cannot do it this way Oct 23 02:58:13 other apps run fine in the debugger Oct 23 02:58:15 can you un normal xapplications in android? Oct 23 02:58:20 yes Oct 23 02:58:33 yes? Oct 23 02:58:36 yes Oct 23 02:58:38 pfft1: and this one too Oct 23 02:58:48 you are asking Eclipse to compile and deploy a new copy of the Email app Oct 23 02:58:56 called AndroidMail.apk Oct 23 02:59:00 no i fails to launch the simulator and gives the error "Could not find AndroidMail.apk!" Oct 23 02:59:09 that's what I just said Oct 23 02:59:12 you cannot do this Oct 23 02:59:24 there's already an Email application with the same package name Oct 23 02:59:28 romainguy_ yes, i thinks it's trying to deploy a new copy of the AndroidEmail app Oct 23 02:59:29 When I try to run the step: " repo init -u git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/manifest.git" I get this error: http://pastebin.com/m15b55b91 Oct 23 02:59:44 Any ideas what's wrong? Oct 23 02:59:57 but there is no email app in the simulator that I am aware of **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Oct 23 02:59:57 2008