**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 30 02:59:57 2008 Oct 30 03:00:09 ArrayAdapter Oct 30 03:03:22 hey, anyone know how to add ssh keys to connectbot? Oct 30 03:03:24 does setListAdapter(null) work to empty the listview ? Oct 30 03:03:32 yes Oct 30 03:05:45 hey does anyone want to help me port an open source java guitar tuner to android? Oct 30 03:07:06 http://code.google.com/p/tunedroid Oct 30 03:09:33 can you do an array push in java? Oct 30 03:14:20 d0nets sounds cool but you can't call it "tunedroid".... as much as I wish you could cuz it's a great name Oct 30 03:14:40 http://www.android.com/branding.html Oct 30 03:15:01 d0nets what are you porting? Oct 30 03:15:08 mpardo, use an ArrayList and convert to array as needed Oct 30 03:15:44 ArrayList implements Collection, which has .add(element) Oct 30 03:15:50 yea i heard about that earlier Oct 30 03:16:29 yea i thought it was a good name too Oct 30 03:16:30 "GuitarTuner" was already taken Oct 30 03:16:41 d0nets, how about StrungRight Oct 30 03:16:54 maybe Oct 30 03:17:02 or CoolStrings Oct 30 03:17:05 im gonna right that down Oct 30 03:17:07 nah Oct 30 03:17:18 i was thinkin about GootarTuner Oct 30 03:17:19 or HighGuitar Oct 30 03:17:25 (lol) Oct 30 03:17:40 lol Oct 30 03:18:37 anyway, DannyB should come back any day now with the final decision on that naming issue Oct 30 03:18:48 if he comes back and says don't use it, i suggest you don't Oct 30 03:19:30 hey, has anybody got TunesRemote working on a real device yet? Oct 30 03:19:35 yes Oct 30 03:19:37 works fine Oct 30 03:19:56 romainguy: presumably not using the apk on jsharkey.org? Oct 30 03:20:12 I'm using whatever Jeff sent me a couple of weeks ago Oct 30 03:20:18 heh. Oct 30 03:20:20 Hey, if I register a LocationListener to get gps updates with an interval of 1 minute, will the device go to sleep, then wake up a minute later, get a GPS fix, send it to me, and go back to sleep? Oct 30 03:20:38 romainguy: can you share me the apk? the one on his site didn't install properly last I tried. Oct 30 03:20:40 ttuttle: give it a try :) Oct 30 03:20:57 benley: what about the one from Market? Oct 30 03:21:14 it's in market?! that's new Oct 30 03:21:15 * benley looks Oct 30 03:21:22 since Monday Oct 30 03:21:31 languish: still waiting for an answer myserlf. :) Oct 30 03:21:33 heh, ok I'm slow Oct 30 03:21:34 another reason we need that market website Oct 30 03:21:46 benley: hey, how's it going? Oct 30 03:21:57 DannyB, I just appreciate you're willing to look in to it :) Oct 30 03:21:58 ttuttle: it's good Oct 30 03:22:08 languish: I was waiting for your next complaint :) Oct 30 03:22:14 hahah Oct 30 03:22:18 in this case legal actually agrees with me, just waiting for marketing :) Oct 30 03:22:31 romainguy, hey, i'm just hear to help, via volumes of feedback :) Oct 30 03:22:38 DannyB, sweet Oct 30 03:22:40 oh you do volume :)) Oct 30 03:22:47 :) Oct 30 03:22:55 hear/here Oct 30 03:23:58 romainguy: what is your guys' indentation policy for continuations again? this email app is way inconsistent with itself Oct 30 03:24:01 8 spaces? Oct 30 03:24:07 yes 8 Oct 30 03:24:14 and if you split over several lines Oct 30 03:24:16 whatever looks good Oct 30 03:24:46 and is there any policy about wrapping to 80 column boundaries? Oct 30 03:24:51 or is that hit or miss? Oct 30 03:25:01 100 Oct 30 03:25:02 not 80 Oct 30 03:25:24 * benley is mystified as to why the google indentation policy differs from the android one Oct 30 03:25:34 because Android is not Google Oct 30 03:25:38 and Google is not Android Oct 30 03:25:56 jasta: we changed the 80/100 columns rule about 1 year ago, so the code is not always consistent wrt to this Oct 30 03:26:06 100 columns. Keeping the block comments within 80 columns is appreciated but not strongly enforced (so that people who read the code with 80 columns can still reasonably read those) Oct 30 03:26:31 jbq_: 80 for comments was also mostly for the code review tool Oct 30 03:26:57 Also, if you modify a file that currently fits in 80 columns, try to keep it that way. Oct 30 03:27:28 gotcha, thanks Oct 30 03:27:34 are you guys talking about modifications to android itself? Oct 30 03:27:42 yes Oct 30 03:27:43 have there been many changes/submissions so far? Oct 30 03:27:44 i just got my 8G memory card for my G1, it was 20 bucks on amazon Oct 30 03:27:47 I shold check Oct 30 03:27:53 should Oct 30 03:28:23 looks like there's 1 checkin a day at source.android.com Oct 30 03:28:52 waldo_: it will get better when the core Android team switches to git Oct 30 03:29:04 we're still wrapping up some things internally on perforce Oct 30 03:29:06 what are they using now? svn? Oct 30 03:29:08 ahh Oct 30 03:29:27 it'll also pick up once the community gets rollin' on this Oct 30 03:29:49 yeah I was thinking there'd be a million checkins by now... like when mozilla first opened... there were patches right and left Oct 30 03:30:07 of course that was a pos mess of unrunnable code Oct 30 03:30:14 oh yeah Oct 30 03:30:22 I remember contributing a patch or two to Mozilla Oct 30 03:30:24 sorry I mean "Netscape Communicator 5" or whatever Oct 30 03:30:28 the code base... argh Oct 30 03:30:32 * ttuttle is getting "/home/tom/android/Foo/build.xml:109: Execute failed: java.io.IOException: Cannot run program "/home/tom/android-sdk-linux_x86-1.0_r1/tools/aapt": java.io.IOException: error=12, Cannot allocate memory". What do I do? Oct 30 03:30:39 it wouldn't even compile Oct 30 03:30:42 they enjoyed comments even less than we do ;)) Oct 30 03:31:42 ok, so I built and signed my first application, i put it on the phone, and when I try and install I get a warning that says "Replace Application",The application you are trying to install will replace another application" but this is the first time I have installed it Oct 30 03:32:00 is this an application from the open source repository? Oct 30 03:32:14 nope, one I just built Oct 30 03:32:26 sramv23, HOW are you putting it on the phone? Oct 30 03:32:31 just wondering, what the street price is for a non contract G1 in the US ? Oct 30 03:32:37 i dont know a better place to ask Oct 30 03:32:47 downloaded over the web to the downloads folder Oct 30 03:33:01 sramv23: did you try adb -d install filename.apk? Oct 30 03:33:10 sramv23, a) try using www. in the domain, b) try renaming the .apk Oct 30 03:33:19 * WadeMealing1 would like to run it in au, but doesn't look like anyone is selling it Oct 30 03:33:25 also add -r Oct 30 03:33:26 it's some wonky issue with the G1 browser Oct 30 03:33:57 waldo, languish, it downloads and acts like it's about to install, i just stopped because of the error message. /me was afraid it was going to nuke something else Oct 30 03:33:58 languish: he said he built it, it's not an install through the browser Oct 30 03:34:07 wade: i beleive ebay has them for like $399 Oct 30 03:34:08 speaking of the OS did anyone get that update yet? Oct 30 03:34:17 romainguy, downloaded over the web to the downloads folder Oct 30 03:34:42 ah doh Oct 30 03:34:43 sorry Oct 30 03:34:47 built then put on the web Oct 30 03:34:51 that's a funky way to do it Oct 30 03:35:02 romainguy_, a lot of devs are doing it that way Oct 30 03:35:08 er why? Oct 30 03:35:09 the http://www.theage.com.au/news/technology/biztech/google-phone-hits-australia-via-ebay/2008/10/29/1224956120782.html <-- it mentions "google" gets to make the choice if its launching in australia Oct 30 03:35:11 well, i was trying to emulate how a 'partner' would install it Oct 30 03:35:12 dont know how true that is Oct 30 03:35:16 USB is a lot easier and faster Oct 30 03:35:16 they want to know it downloads and installs over the web properly Oct 30 03:35:20 i noticed strangeness too where i couldn't install stuff from the web that I could if I downloaded it to my computer and used adb... strangely Oct 30 03:35:30 has anyone seen that error before? Oct 30 03:35:31 fort users Oct 30 03:35:35 *for Oct 30 03:35:41 sramv23 yes a number of times Oct 30 03:35:46 I can help you work around it Oct 30 03:36:14 sramv23: a partner could d/l it with a computer then adb it over... that's how I wa doing michaelnovak's file browser Oct 30 03:36:17 was Oct 30 03:36:45 sramv23 first make sure you have the proper mime type set in your httpd's configuration for .apk Oct 30 03:36:46 well, i'm mostly concerned about the error message, what is is trying to write over? Oct 30 03:37:13 http://www.osnews.com/story/20455/Apple_Not_Accepting_Opera_Mini_on_iPhone_ Oct 30 03:37:14 yay Oct 30 03:37:16 is there something in the Android manifest that is set to a 'default' ? Oct 30 03:37:29 sramv23, i'm only guessing here, but i think the G1's browser is downloading the .apk as text not data, from certain urls. Oct 30 03:37:32 romainguy: is there some fancy way to runtime enable Config.LOGV/LOGD or will i need to build the entire image and load it onto the emulator to get debug? Oct 30 03:37:40 you have to build the image Oct 30 03:37:50 k, just checking :) Oct 30 03:37:50 especially since static final fields are inlined by javac Oct 30 03:38:08 sramv23, the same urls it has trouble with, are the ones it doesn't save in the browser history Oct 30 03:38:10 that said you can just rebuild the framework, not the entire device Oct 30 03:38:27 Also, you have to disable API checking (because changing LOGD/LOGV is a change in the public API). Oct 30 03:38:36 languish, i'm pretty sure it downloaded fine, it's just what it's about to overwrite concerns me Oct 30 03:38:47 sramv23, i've been through this with a number of devs Oct 30 03:39:29 I've been testing apps, and I've helped a number of devs in here fix the issue with some trial and error Oct 30 03:39:53 Anyone know anything about this geocaching app: http://androidforums.com/showthread.php?t=91 ? Oct 30 03:40:23 guess not, ah well. Oct 30 03:40:51 Not sure if the developer is really building it, or what is up with that Oct 30 03:41:02 looks promising Oct 30 03:41:13 I couldn't tell you what it thinks it's about to overwrite, but I can help you to get it to stop bringing up that message Oct 30 03:41:35 *will* it overwrite something? Oct 30 03:41:39 I have no idea Oct 30 03:41:42 hehe Oct 30 03:41:49 that's my problem :-) Oct 30 03:41:54 well no.. Oct 30 03:42:02 because it's not a problem with your apk Oct 30 03:42:11 it's a problem with how the apk is being downloaded Oct 30 03:42:19 a bug in the browser Oct 30 03:43:04 so what was the command line way of installing it again? Oct 30 03:43:17 languish: do you have any details about that? If I have a bug in the download manager, I'd like to know about it so I can fix it. Oct 30 03:43:50 jbq, all I can tell you are the steps I've gone through with other devs that have worked around the issue. Oct 30 03:44:08 so when the file downloads, it installs properly, without that warning Oct 30 03:44:18 the 400 messages on the $25 plan is 400 SMS and MMS, right? Oct 30 03:44:42 languish: is it OK if I copy-paste what you're telling me right now? Oct 30 03:44:53 jbq 100% ok Oct 30 03:47:43 the steps that have worked thus far are: 1) make sure the mime type for .apk is correct in the webservers config. 2) some hostnames as in host.domain.tld do not appear to be liked much by the G1 browser, particularly ones that are not www. so use www.domain.tld/..path 3) change the name of the actual file. If it's myapp.apk make it myapprulezomgwtfbbq.apk Oct 30 03:48:00 4) it seems some redirected urls also don't work Oct 30 03:48:27 so make it a direct download as in.. www.domain.com/myapp.apk Oct 30 03:48:39 ..done Oct 30 03:48:46 I wonder how you figured that one out. ;-) Oct 30 03:48:53 ErikT :) Oct 30 03:48:58 not just you buddy :P Oct 30 03:49:10 Yeah, everyone, pretty much. Oct 30 03:50:04 I know about the redirect part, if you select "save link" on a link that goes to a redirected URI, the 1.0 download manager doesn't know how to deal with it. Oct 30 03:50:24 jbq, a side note: the urls that seem to cause the issue, are the same urls the G1 browser doesn't remember in its history Oct 30 03:51:04 That part is very interesting - especially because the browser history code and the download code were written entirely independently. Oct 30 03:51:18 so when I type nonworkingdowinloadhost.domain.tld/directory/myapp.apk Oct 30 03:51:52 and then I go back to type it in again.. it doesn't autocomplete and it's not in the history (even after visiting the location) Oct 30 03:52:38 which has been annoying because some devs have been using encrypted/obfuscated direct urls Oct 30 03:53:17 domain.tld/secretdirectory/agHnYF575Gjkigtrh7262hgjUJjmyapp.apk Oct 30 03:53:46 :| Oct 30 03:53:49 that's more just a part of the framework so you cant hotlink directly to the apk Oct 30 03:54:00 i don't know how to get to my google "homepage" on the g1 Oct 30 03:54:20 wastrel, that's pretty unreasonable Oct 30 03:58:49 BHSPitMonkey: can you get to yours? Oct 30 03:59:04 wastrel, don't own one Oct 30 03:59:15 you don't have an android phone? Oct 30 04:00:18 wastrel: you mean igoogle for mobile? Oct 30 04:00:32 mobile devices* Oct 30 04:00:44 igoogle is what it's called? Oct 30 04:05:25 wastrel, I'm getting there... Just booted Linux on my phone for the first time at all yesterday (might be the first time -anyone-'s booted linux on a strtrk...) Oct 30 04:17:44 Hi! Oct 30 04:19:20 does android sdk work on xp 64bit professional? Oct 30 04:20:55 convivial: I would guess it does, http://code.google.com/android/intro/installing.html Oct 30 04:22:16 does not say so there Oct 30 04:22:33 this is a bug in google. can't get to my google start page Oct 30 04:23:28 can someone take a look or even run my code and tell me why it doesnt print out the text when it recieves it Oct 30 04:23:46 http://paste.ubuntu.com/64459/ Oct 30 04:24:35 I can't gbet eclipse to run Oct 30 04:24:39 on xp 64bit Oct 30 04:25:57 wastrel, you can't get to your google start page because going from start.domain.com results in too many redirects, which the g1 browser doesn't seem to like Oct 30 04:26:11 it's not a bug, it's a feature :) Oct 30 04:26:12 convivial: xp 64 bit is always a bad idea Oct 30 04:26:32 michaelnovakjr__: now ya tell me :( Oct 30 04:26:35 too late now Oct 30 04:27:05 i don't know much that does work with windows 64 bit Oct 30 04:27:19 you could use another IDE Oct 30 04:27:28 jt436: such as? Oct 30 04:27:42 no idea, sorry Oct 30 04:27:45 languish google should fix that. Oct 30 04:28:19 ahir Oct 30 04:28:24 CRAPPERS Oct 30 04:28:26 suckies Oct 30 04:29:17 ? Oct 30 04:29:42 wastrel, well, it is a mobile browser, and the redirect limitation 'protects" us from some nefarious sites. but yes I agree, I would prefer all google services I use are available through the G1 browser too Oct 30 04:31:20 will vista biz 32bit work? Oct 30 04:32:31 convivial: i used that before Oct 30 04:32:48 languish: did you file a bug? Oct 30 04:32:56 michaelnovakjr ok Oct 30 04:33:01 wastrel, on this issue? no, i haven't Oct 30 04:33:09 wastrel, tehy know about it, it's not a bug. Oct 30 04:33:17 it's an intentional behaviour Oct 30 04:33:34 I can not get eclpse to run Oct 30 04:33:44 the intent is that i be unable to reach that page from the android browser? Oct 30 04:34:10 wastrel, stop being ..how to put this nicely.. .nevermind, can't think of a nice way to put it.. Oct 30 04:34:31 just file it as an issue (not a bug) Oct 30 04:34:48 and likely they'll fix it with updates to the browser Oct 30 04:35:12 issue ok Oct 30 04:36:32 eclipsed tested on Microsoft Windows XP Professional x64 Edition, x86-64, Win32 running (any of): Oct 30 04:36:32 Sun Java 2 Standard Edition 5.0 Update 14 for Microsoft Windows (AMD64/EM64T) Oct 30 04:36:32 IBM 64-bit SDK for Windows, Java 2 Technology Edition 5.0, SR6b Oct 30 04:36:43 and is EM64Y? Oct 30 04:36:56 EM64T Oct 30 04:37:09 I have intel t9300 cpu Oct 30 04:41:00 i think eclipse only will run with jdk 1.5 Oct 30 04:42:46 wow nice Oct 30 04:42:52 my iphone sold for 499 buy it now Oct 30 04:42:57 after 3 days Oct 30 04:43:05 and instant payment and they are in TX Oct 30 04:43:10 not algeria or something Oct 30 04:43:36 hmm I should sell mine :) Oct 30 04:43:41 crap Oct 30 04:43:50 eclipse will not work on xp 64biy Oct 30 04:43:54 what a piece of shitware Oct 30 04:44:24 well that sucks Oct 30 04:45:01 says JVM terminated with Exit code =-1 Oct 30 04:48:19 d0net iphone or iphone 3g? Oct 30 04:48:40 android ain't shit Oct 30 04:49:16 heh Oct 30 04:49:23 not much works on xp 64 bit from what I hear Oct 30 04:49:38 including many microsoft products which I find doubly amusing Oct 30 04:50:32 this means I have to return my computer :( Oct 30 04:50:44 because it came with XP 64bit Oct 30 04:50:50 or reinstall it with xp 32 bit Oct 30 04:50:59 or a better OS ;-) Oct 30 04:51:02 to switch to 32bit I have to get diff system or buy it Oct 30 04:51:07 why? Oct 30 04:51:14 it's a dell refurb Oct 30 04:51:23 cant swap out OS Oct 30 04:51:26 oh, you mean licensing, not some technical restriction Oct 30 04:51:34 licensing Oct 30 04:51:43 ya not familiar with if a xp license lets you run both versions of xp Oct 30 04:51:44 convivial: ubuntu is the way :) Oct 30 04:51:52 can't do that Oct 30 04:51:58 also using windows mobile too Oct 30 04:52:05 ouch Oct 30 04:52:10 that is terrible Oct 30 04:53:15 I wonder what the first netbook running android will be Oct 30 04:54:19 this is error when I run eclipse: http://home.comcast.net/~erica.ramsey/images/image.png Oct 30 04:54:50 what about windows 2008? Oct 30 04:54:53 will that work? Oct 30 04:58:51 shit xp pro is 199.00 Oct 30 04:59:14 yeah, it's a racket Oct 30 04:59:47 well, I have xp pro disk from my old computer Oct 30 04:59:52 maybe i'll install that Oct 30 05:00:00 but I don't have any of the dell drivers :( Oct 30 05:00:02 you buy a machine with a license... oh your it group wants to customize it... need another license... oh your ap requires 32 bits... another license... oh shit you need one that can run virtualized... another license... etc. Oct 30 05:00:24 hmmm Oct 30 05:00:26 i'm lost Oct 30 05:00:34 i'll call dell tommorrow and see what they say Oct 30 05:00:57 they'll point you towards Ubuntu Oct 30 05:01:07 just use vmware to run windows Oct 30 05:01:15 I am running windows mobile sdk too Oct 30 05:01:24 actually I think there's an official downgrad to xp 32 bit Oct 30 05:01:29 ..vmware.. Oct 30 05:01:33 ugh, people spamming in the market comments Oct 30 05:01:40 I have downdgrade to xp 64bit Oct 30 05:01:43 shit Oct 30 05:02:56 languish: tell me about it Oct 30 05:03:06 this sucks Oct 30 05:03:08 ms sucks Oct 30 05:03:12 freaking crooks Oct 30 05:03:15 ") Oct 30 05:03:17 :) Oct 30 05:03:35 someome should come out with a free os that runs on desktops, servers, laptops, pdas, and even phones. Oct 30 05:03:38 ;-) Oct 30 05:03:53 languish literally spamming? Oct 30 05:04:00 is there anything that is a lil funky (i.e. known bugs, or something that might not be blatantly obvious) that I should know about with MediaPlayer and pulling resources via http/rtsp? I can play local resources but nada from anything via a URL Oct 30 05:04:34 UKCoder: ask jasta :) Oct 30 05:04:43 haha Oct 30 05:04:52 oh? :) Oct 30 05:05:07 waldo_, yes, spamming their myspace production company urls Oct 30 05:05:12 xp home o0nly $99.00 Oct 30 05:05:30 oh well fuck it until tomorrow Oct 30 05:05:43 can you program android in C++ too> Oct 30 05:05:47 nope Oct 30 05:05:51 languish: blah.. can we rate comments yet? Oct 30 05:05:57 lol Oct 30 05:06:21 should be a licence to comment, but then, I'd be denied :( Oct 30 05:06:27 "Complains too much" Oct 30 05:06:59 I like the ones where people feel the need to abuse you Oct 30 05:07:13 some of those are awesomew Oct 30 05:07:18 bizarre Oct 30 05:07:35 languish: 'xactly :) Oct 30 05:07:40 languish which app? Oct 30 05:07:46 so far, the most entertaining thing about this entire experience has been some of the market comments Oct 30 05:08:04 very YouTube like Oct 30 05:08:18 the email they send to the devs are also very entertaining Oct 30 05:08:33 romain you should have a gallery of shame of comments Oct 30 05:08:35 waldo_, one of them's on the recent pacman update.. scrolls down to the guy named Hue Oct 30 05:08:40 romainguy: yes true, but you also get some good ones Oct 30 05:08:42 -s Oct 30 05:08:47 romainguy, lol :) Oct 30 05:09:23 I especially love the emails I get from people accusing me of breaking their phone's camera with my app Oct 30 05:09:29 app that does nothing to the camera Oct 30 05:09:35 lol Oct 30 05:09:44 holy crap someone posted the following description of their new app: "Do not use. Currently written for one user onely but with be generalized for others..." etc etc Oct 30 05:09:49 that's hilarious Oct 30 05:09:55 it's called "mockup of Web Camera" Oct 30 05:10:11 waldo_, IN the market? Oct 30 05:10:16 yup Oct 30 05:10:20 view all apps by date Oct 30 05:10:27 did you d/l it? Oct 30 05:10:31 no Oct 30 05:10:42 BAHAHHAHHAHHAHAAAHAHAHHAA Oct 30 05:10:55 or do a search for "mockup of web cam viewer" -- speaking of funny comments.. this should be good. Oct 30 05:11:07 yeah I see it Oct 30 05:11:14 oyfg that's hysterical Oct 30 05:11:18 here come the trolls Oct 30 05:11:47 once this hits walmart this platform will turn into a circus Oct 30 05:11:56 like I say, it's like when AOL hit the Internet. Oct 30 05:11:57 romainguy: what does jasta know that I should about MP and URLs? :) Oct 30 05:12:02 first one to make a NASCAR app wins. Oct 30 05:12:05 I don't know Oct 30 05:12:12 he's been bitching a lot about it for the past 12 months Oct 30 05:12:17 so he must know about it :)) Oct 30 05:12:21 :)) Oct 30 05:12:57 has anyone in here managed to get MediaPlayer to work with URLs? Oct 30 05:13:11 no but it works fine w/urls Oct 30 05:13:12 I mean Oct 30 05:13:14 with files Oct 30 05:13:16 d'oh Oct 30 05:14:02 yeah, my wife's 2 eps away from finishing watching the first season of House on her G1 Oct 30 05:14:04 yeah, I've got it working today with files, I was hoping URLs would work too to prevent me from having to macguvor it Oct 30 05:15:34 I seem to recall an issue with media player and streaming Oct 30 05:15:35 nice, she playing the full sized 350mb files? Oct 30 05:15:50 my 8GB card for the g1 didn't come today 8-( Oct 30 05:16:10 I'm trying to get the SDK setup on a PPC Mac. The emulator builds, but experiences issues. I was hoping to set it up and debug with my G1, but can't seem to find the source to build the rest of the SDK. Any pointers? Oct 30 05:21:01 DarkriftX, no, i encoded them in mp4 for the G1 Oct 30 05:21:50 DarkriftX, WHEN tmo news comes back online, http://forums.tmonews.com/index.php?topic=3261.0 Oct 30 05:21:54 so save the url Oct 30 05:22:01 damn Oct 30 05:22:08 i was hoping you didnt have to re-encode Oct 30 05:22:27 i download tv eps in xvid Oct 30 05:22:40 avg size is about 350mb and i was hoping those would play nicely Oct 30 05:22:42 it'll xcome eventually Oct 30 05:23:46 how long until people are actually using the market to spam their products? ie, "Virtual Viagra From Sp^MVi^gr^.com!" Oct 30 05:24:14 lol Oct 30 05:24:24 with the $25 price, probably not soon Oct 30 05:24:34 because getting caught once would get them canceled Oct 30 05:24:42 I'm pretty sure some idiot's already realized they can sign up bogus gmail accounts and do it Oct 30 05:25:02 yeah but your "license" can get revoked Oct 30 05:25:12 i don't mean the devs putting up apps Oct 30 05:25:17 oh Oct 30 05:25:17 i meant in the comments Oct 30 05:25:37 i meant as an app Oct 30 05:25:44 ah yeah Oct 30 05:25:53 you need a phone to post comments for now anyway Oct 30 05:25:54 i guess $25 is worth the exposure Oct 30 05:25:58 market submissions would be moderated Oct 30 05:26:23 muthu, then what happened to that camera mockuop intended for.. 1 person Oct 30 05:26:25 :| Oct 30 05:26:31 at least that dick hue put his IM address so everyone can thank him personally for spamming Oct 30 05:26:41 lol Oct 30 05:28:21 i begin to wonder id it's a test by one of the gdevs Oct 30 05:28:26 *if Oct 30 05:28:35 see how many curious folks download it Oct 30 05:29:15 everybody download it Oct 30 05:29:35 no, thats what htey expect Oct 30 05:29:38 nobody download it! Oct 30 05:29:41 make thier test fail! Oct 30 05:33:57 hmm? what shoudl i be downloading? :P Oct 30 05:35:14 there's this really awesome demo.... Oct 30 05:36:14 i'm trying to get Android's PackageInstaller app imported as a valid Eclipse project Oct 30 05:37:01 waldo_, check the most recent comment for "mini space war" in the market (lastest version of it) Oct 30 05:37:06 anyone tried this before? i've been trying to do this for a few days now but eclipse is a pain to manually import projects into, and everything goes wonky with the importing quickly Oct 30 05:37:12 no, that's not me. Oct 30 05:37:14 :| Oct 30 05:37:23 anybody used the sound recording API yet? Oct 30 05:38:11 there's a DroidRecord in the market Oct 30 05:38:13 is there a clean guide or something i can follow to get the packageinstaller imported cleanly?? Oct 30 05:38:17 so someone did Oct 30 05:38:24 question, can an app be made to record the call? or does the device not have access to the audio on the phone like most wm devices Oct 30 05:38:31 nope Oct 30 05:38:43 romainguy: it's impossible to write an app to record a call? Oct 30 05:38:48 currently yes Oct 30 05:38:52 that f Oct 30 05:38:55 f'ing sucks Oct 30 05:38:57 romainguy: ... what? why? Oct 30 05:39:01 security Oct 30 05:39:24 you'll be able to get in-line adaptors to record calls Oct 30 05:39:30 they come out for all phones Oct 30 05:39:31 screw that Oct 30 05:39:35 not even as some obscure permission you can declare somewhere? Oct 30 05:39:38 nope Oct 30 05:39:39 id want a software recording Oct 30 05:39:49 that's insane... Oct 30 05:39:52 why not? Oct 30 05:39:52 I want softwre recording too, but *shrug* Oct 30 05:39:56 i hate being saved from my self by software limitations Oct 30 05:39:59 theCarpenter: security Oct 30 05:40:10 that said it'd be nice if the system came with a call recorder Oct 30 05:40:10 how does it improve security? Oct 30 05:40:21 that random apps can't record your phone calls? Oct 30 05:40:25 DarkriftX, more like they're saving pizzahut from you Oct 30 05:40:26 apps can declare complete access to virtually every other part of the system though Oct 30 05:40:56 if the install told you that app had permission to record calls, that makes it secure enough Oct 30 05:41:10 DarkriftX: i suppose its not considered secure enough Oct 30 05:41:19 romainguy, is this because the gsm dsp is integrated in to the core that handles telephony ? Oct 30 05:41:23 surely it would be possible to hack the android platform itself..? Oct 30 05:41:33 languish: no idea Oct 30 05:41:33 prob soon theCarpenter Oct 30 05:41:40 once it gets hacked, the real fun begins Oct 30 05:41:56 i imagine there's gotta be a way to hook into speaker at a lower level somehow Oct 30 05:41:58 its good now, but will be great then Oct 30 05:43:57 languish: someone could do a study of these comments Oct 30 05:49:03 gah my market is caching data somewhere i think Oct 30 05:49:32 wow, splitmuch tonight Oct 30 05:54:16 what the fuck, the Messaging app scrolls really slow Oct 30 05:54:53 jasta: i think its because of compositing the image behind the listview Oct 30 05:55:48 messaging doesn't have a background image Oct 30 05:55:55 but it disables the color cache hint Oct 30 05:55:58 which doesn't help Oct 30 05:56:06 (makes the fade very costly for instance) Oct 30 05:56:28 hey can the g1 receive data in through usb? Oct 30 05:56:55 convivial... are you sure you're using the eclipse for 64bit? Oct 30 05:56:56 such as datalogging an ecu via obd2 to usb interface Oct 30 05:57:27 i think its a usb client only d0nets Oct 30 05:57:37 i havent read anything about usb host anywhere Oct 30 05:57:45 ok Oct 30 05:58:05 i guess you could make a bluetooth obd2 to usb adapter : / Oct 30 05:58:34 that would be a great idea Oct 30 05:58:34 or i mean bluetooth obd2 Oct 30 05:58:49 would work pefectly Oct 30 05:58:50 yea you can do digital gauges Oct 30 05:58:57 like subarus have a really nice ecu Oct 30 05:58:59 yeah, and not ahve to worry about a plug Oct 30 05:59:27 to data log i run this app, and i hit my rear defrost button, and it starts the log, i do WOT till redline, and hit the button again Oct 30 06:00:18 then you can submit the log to the creater of your ecu rom for some refinement via the web (open source tuning) Oct 30 06:00:58 osecuroms.org Oct 30 06:01:34 so it would be nice to not have to lug the laptop around while im doing 60-100 Oct 30 06:01:51 (mph) Oct 30 06:02:11 then, you can make digital gauges using the live ecu data Oct 30 06:02:26 umdk1d3: what image? it just shows contact and the last message Oct 30 06:02:32 i think its just doing some stupid query or something Oct 30 06:02:35 high jasta Oct 30 06:02:52 interesting, the Messaging app appears not to be part of the source? Oct 30 06:02:56 jasta: sorry i thought you meant the IM app Oct 30 06:03:05 oh maybe its the Mmms app? Oct 30 06:04:03 need more apps Oct 30 06:05:27 help me port this guitar tuner ryebrye Oct 30 06:05:55 sigh market is caching things on me, and i dont know how to stop it :/ Oct 30 06:06:03 either that or its internally messed up atm Oct 30 06:07:19 (how could shopsavvy with 5-10k installs be above wikimobile which has 10-15k installs in the popular-sorted list?) Oct 30 06:07:41 maybe it's installs * rating? Oct 30 06:08:39 idk it just seems like there is some tampering going on behind the scenes, unless it keeps some sort of local cache that is goofing things up Oct 30 06:09:55 its the government Oct 30 06:09:59 they took control of google! Oct 30 06:10:37 oh noez =O Oct 30 06:17:18 shopsavvy must be more downloads Oct 30 06:17:27 is it only 5-10k? Oct 30 06:18:38 i can wait to get my g1 Oct 30 06:18:45 Mine came today, it's nice Oct 30 06:18:53 although I feel a bit of the "after install letdown" Oct 30 06:19:04 ... It wasn't very hard for me to install evey worthwhile app in the market Oct 30 06:19:27 the base phone functionality works well Oct 30 06:19:29 how many apps in market now? Oct 30 06:19:34 mine came today. letdown. said no sim card in phone. checked it out, big dent down the back. Oct 30 06:19:45 that sucks Oct 30 06:19:56 but it looks rather better than the photos Oct 30 06:20:15 Yeah, it is smaller than the photos make it look - which is good Oct 30 06:20:40 also, im not sure yet, but i think i like it being thinner around the waist than the iphone Oct 30 06:20:44 fits in the hand better Oct 30 06:21:17 The GPS works pretty well in it - which is more than I can say about iphone 3g Oct 30 06:21:31 good enough for geocaching? Oct 30 06:21:31 Although I wonder which is more of a battery hog - bluetooth, or GPS Oct 30 06:21:41 Don't know. There isn't a good enough geocaching app out yet Oct 30 06:22:04 I imagine it would be good enough for geocaching though Oct 30 06:22:31 i cant wait until it's more than a brick next to my bed Oct 30 06:22:36 it works as a hard drive though :) Oct 30 06:23:22 It really bugs me that the apps seem to all just hang out on the phone and not the SD card Oct 30 06:23:27 because this phone has shit for memory Oct 30 06:24:25 My router has more storage space for applications than this phone does (albeit because I installed an SD card into it - but still - I can actually use that SD card for applications - and it seems that thus far I can't do that for the applications on the G1) Oct 30 06:25:00 i need to get my drive repartitioned and format one with a case sensitive fs -__- android's source is oicky Oct 30 06:25:02 *picky Oct 30 06:25:12 Are you on a mac? Oct 30 06:25:17 but i just heard about that and it'd be neat to fix Oct 30 06:25:18 yeah Oct 30 06:25:19 just create a disk image Oct 30 06:25:23 it's much easier Oct 30 06:25:24 oh right Oct 30 06:25:26 dur Oct 30 06:25:29 thank you! Oct 30 06:25:44 yeah, they should point that out on their instructions Oct 30 06:25:50 isnt it a wiki> Oct 30 06:26:01 I'm pretty sure their main android page isn't a wiki Oct 30 06:26:19 aw.. well im off to dive into that sd card thing.. ^__^ i needed a prohect Oct 30 06:26:22 You'll want to make it at least 8 gigs Oct 30 06:54:38 yo Oct 30 06:54:49 what is up party people. Oct 30 06:55:35 yo yo Oct 30 06:56:29 hey, I come from a mostly numerical/simulation programming background. I am having a really hard time figuring out how to develop for this thing. Are there any good sites to bone up on basic java application programing? Oct 30 06:56:51 javapassion.com Oct 30 06:57:09 to learn java.. start coding java Oct 30 06:57:20 k Oct 30 06:57:24 that's the best way to get started ;) Oct 30 06:57:51 same goes for android :) Oct 30 06:58:07 android & java - the 2 most easiest stuff on earth Oct 30 06:59:38 I dunno this is very difficult to understand. for instance, what does this whole thing mean: com.example.android.helloactivity . Why is there a com before that? it's stuff like that I am not getting Oct 30 06:59:39 is it just a namespace thing Oct 30 07:00:33 hmmm Oct 30 07:00:56 go thru some tutorials in javapassion Oct 30 07:01:14 its a namespace thing.. right Oct 30 07:15:21 hey Zeinin Oct 30 07:15:30 hey Oct 30 07:15:56 im also from a numerical background Oct 30 07:16:14 you'll learn it easily Oct 30 07:16:20 im a little slow :p Oct 30 07:17:06 it is a bit confusing because the problems I am used to solving are much more simplistic. integration is a ton easier than getting a mouse event to be captured it seems Oct 30 07:17:54 wow i totally disagree but I tend to have an oddball view on things Oct 30 07:18:33 to me codings feels like tons of useless integration+glue Oct 30 07:19:11 yeah, that;s what I mean Oct 30 07:19:30 i can write something that does stuff easier than stuff that makes stuff look right Oct 30 07:19:51 well get used to it, thats the nature of the beast Oct 30 07:20:28 regarding mouse events, I just learned about something called 'state drawables', they look pretty nifty - you might want to check them out Oct 30 07:23:50 gambler: what's happening? Oct 30 07:25:19 muthu: ei oh ei...just threw away 1-1.5 months work because I found a better way of doing it Oct 30 07:27:21 actually I should be able to salvage a reasonable hunk of that Oct 30 07:27:51 meh who knows Oct 30 07:29:14 I read some crazy article on wired.com about Indian real estate gangs... Oct 30 07:30:54 gambler: oh yeah Oct 30 07:30:58 there's tons of gangs here Oct 30 07:31:31 its a miracle people live here without going insane Oct 30 07:32:30 so many ppl there...ah well just more customers for mobegall...wheee Oct 30 07:32:42 does anyone know if a WakeLock is also a WifiLock? Oct 30 07:33:27 gambler: haha Oct 30 07:33:35 as i understand it, wifi goes off after x seconds of screen inactivity, so only a WakeLock that holds the screen on would serve as a WifiLock, but i'm not certain. Oct 30 07:33:44 and it would be time consuming to test ;) Oct 30 07:33:55 jasta: no idea Oct 30 07:35:31 Are there any UK dwellers currently in the room? The G1 is now available in limited supply to those who signed up early. Is anyone else getting it? Oct 30 07:56:38 does anyone know if com.google.android.gdata.client are on the g1s? They must be, right? Oct 30 08:06:21 I guess I'm going to have to purchase the exhorbantly expensive G1 £40 a month plan to develop on then, bit of a bummer. Its more expensive than my iphone Oct 30 08:28:19 hi guys Oct 30 08:28:23 wanted to ask Oct 30 08:28:35 if there's a utility somewhere, where i can feed in a jar, or a set of class files Oct 30 08:28:50 and tell me if there'll be VerifyErrors or whatnot Oct 30 08:29:15 or, even at least tell me which part of the code is causing verifyerrors.. Oct 30 08:49:42 jasta: no, there is such a thing as a WifiLock, which prevents the wifi from being brought down completely, but doesn't keep the screen on. I don't know if the API is public or not, though Oct 30 08:51:03 jasta: however, note that after the 2-minute timeout after the screen turns off, wifi will move into a lower-power mode which reduces the throughput (even though it's still up) Oct 30 08:51:13 (that is, with a wifi lock on) Oct 30 08:52:08 jasta: for instance, try downloading some songs on AmazonMP3 and let the screen time out. (this is only useful if you have some external way of monitoring the phone's bandwidth usage, such as a WAP with fancy firmware) Oct 30 09:22:32 anyone knows for what day do I have to book my flight (to the UK) to get a G1? rumors were that some people got their phone today.. but when can I just walk in and buy myself one direct form the store? Oct 30 09:23:04 Are the UK G1's sim locked too? Oct 30 09:30:29 Tauno, just get a friend to get one? Oct 30 09:31:43 Tauno: I live in the UK and afaik pre-ordering (if that's what it is) still isn't available. Oct 30 09:32:41 I got an email yesterday saying that I could order one after 9:00 today, it's now 9:30 and the supplied link stil doesn't work Oct 30 09:32:48 It's looking shambolic. Oct 30 09:34:05 hmm tom, I got a link that said 2pm Oct 30 09:34:59 pjv: Odd, perhaps they sent out a batch and then changed their minds - either way, I think the UK launch isn't shaping up very well. Oct 30 09:35:29 I think it's great, the information on the UK website is really thorough Oct 30 09:36:00 It is? When is the phone available then? Oct 30 09:36:03 anyway, it's not for me, as I don't live in the UK (I was on the list just to hear about the G1 coming to Europe) Oct 30 09:36:53 the mails speak about it coming out today Oct 30 09:37:24 today the people on the list get an exclusive chance to order one and receive it in the next few days Oct 30 09:37:31 fhmm terminal app in the market, nice Oct 30 09:37:43 at least, that's how I understand it Oct 30 09:37:50 even has ping, but it doesn't seem to work for me yet Oct 30 09:39:28 especially this info is quite complete: http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/g1-with-google-phone/specs/ Oct 30 09:40:12 pjv: That's how it seems but t-mobile haven't given any concrete information about when the phone will be available except in an email yesterday saying they are taking orders today. Oct 30 09:40:32 wait Oct 30 09:40:44 You guys are getting 2GB microcd cards? Oct 30 09:40:48 *microsd Oct 30 09:40:59 wtf t-mobile wtf Oct 30 09:41:01 yeah, that's no fair.. bastard pommies Oct 30 09:41:13 Not only that, languish, it's *free* with a contract. Oct 30 09:41:25 We're paying a lot more in the UK Oct 30 09:41:25 in the email before that: " Are you in the London area on 30 October 2008? If you fancy being one of the first to see the G1 in the flesh, T-Mobile is hosting an exclusive early opening of our store at 287 Oxford Street, London, W1C 2DP (nearest Tube Oxford Circus). You’ll need to be there for 7am to find out what we have planned for the T-Mobile G1 launch. " Oct 30 09:41:28 ErikT, yeah been through that, their contracts are alot more expensive than ours Oct 30 09:41:47 and it actually works on more carriers than tmobile uk (not saying it's not sim locked, just pointing out the hardware supports it) Oct 30 09:42:00 pjv: Yeah, and a quick search in Google news reveals that no-one picked it up. Oct 30 09:42:38 'eh there's a service sending unlock codes for money already Oct 30 09:42:52 people in the us are using it to jumop to att (but no 3g) Oct 30 09:43:02 yeah, and no 3g is a huge hit Oct 30 09:43:35 from what i hear, tmobile will already unlock the g1 Oct 30 09:43:38 well, no need to head over there unless you want to buy a phone Oct 30 09:43:45 you just need to find the right representative and be convincing Oct 30 09:43:46 It's amazing actually. They launched the G1 at 7am this morning (3hrs ago) and not a single news item on Google news. How can an operator get it so wrong? Oct 30 09:47:33 Well, it's not a worldwide launch anymore, it's not even a launch, just the start of the selling. It's also targeted towards customers, not the press. Oct 30 09:47:59 Nothing in the UK media huh? (no TV, no newspapers?) Oct 30 09:48:25 that's a bit weird Oct 30 09:48:59 hi * Oct 30 09:49:09 i think he also means that google is pushing the phone hard here, so it's odd they aren't pushing it in the uk Oct 30 09:49:47 for the past week google's homepage has had a link on it below the search field saying something like "T-Mobile G1 out! Buy one today!" Oct 30 09:49:53 I don't know about the UK, but in my part of Europe it's normal that people don't queue up when a new phone comes out ;-) Oct 30 09:50:20 well, depends on the phone Oct 30 09:50:31 did you queue up for the wii? Oct 30 09:50:36 or the ps3, or similar... Oct 30 09:51:06 ieatlint: Well, I didn't expect Google to do any pushing - I didn't see those ads. But you'd expect a major UK carrier with a major launch to get coverage in UK. Oct 30 09:51:16 nope, some 20 people for the iPhone (several months later, almost right before the 3G), but that was clearly put in scene by Apple Oct 30 09:52:05 well, clearly you belgians need to work on being better consumer whores Oct 30 09:52:15 take a look at the uk, us and japan for examples Oct 30 09:55:00 hey - has anyone bought a G1 in europe yet? - there is an ebay offer for a simlock free G1, could this be legit? Oct 30 09:55:09 <-- is in .de Oct 30 09:55:57 even if it is, be wary that you aren't getting the US version, which will work fine for gsm, but not at all for 3g Oct 30 09:56:57 ieatlint well, i guess it is the us version, are there umts versions sold anywhere? UK? Oct 30 09:57:18 ieatlint, the US model works on the .uk's networks too, just fine Oct 30 09:57:25 it's the same unit Oct 30 09:57:28 the US version is umts, just uses a different frequency Oct 30 09:57:49 the uk uses tmobile US's weird hybrid umts bands? Oct 30 09:58:07 yes but the G1 has the config for using the .uk network Oct 30 09:58:16 it's the *same* shipping model Oct 30 09:58:45 on ebay they call it "UMTS Dualband" Oct 30 09:59:04 hrm... i'm somehow skeptical Oct 30 09:59:18 be sceptical, it's fact Oct 30 09:59:32 as i understand it, the tmo us uses 1700/2100 hybrid, and europe uses 2100 Oct 30 09:59:53 sounds good to me ;-) Oct 30 09:59:57 ieatlint, again.. the device is configured to use both networks. in hardware and software Oct 30 10:00:03 it's the *same* shipping model. Oct 30 10:00:15 anyway are there ways to buy the G1 without contract? Oct 30 10:00:33 kristian-m, if you pay full price Oct 30 10:00:38 but the radio is highly unlikely to be software controlled... and if it works on the 2100 only bands, why isn't it being advertised as such? Oct 30 10:00:39 or off ebay Oct 30 10:00:47 that would be about $ 400,-? Oct 30 10:00:50 *sigh* Oct 30 10:00:59 ieatlint, go do some googling Oct 30 10:01:04 * languish not gonna bother Oct 30 10:01:21 i am, and i see nothing to support what you're saying as of yet Oct 30 10:02:39 hmmm, i am simply unsure... the terminology is vague, and i'm sure you'll forgive me for not taking some random person on irc's word for it ;) Oct 30 10:03:28 ieatlint http://www.androidauthority.com/index.php/2008/10/15/t-mobile-g1-supports-hsupa-not-just-hsdpa/ Oct 30 10:03:57 t-mobile's been downplaying it, because they don't want people selling it across the pond Oct 30 10:04:06 it's less expensive here overall Oct 30 10:05:57 now, it's possible that tmo might have the image being put on the G1 modified at some point Oct 30 10:05:57 languish how much would it be to get the contract free version? - just so i have a number Oct 30 10:06:01 hsupa doesn't define bands Oct 30 10:06:11 is there source for surfaceflinger? Oct 30 10:06:44 kristian-m, I have no idea Oct 30 10:06:50 I'm in the USA Oct 30 10:07:04 I've been chatting with friends in the .uk about it Oct 30 10:07:17 languish and they can use umts? Oct 30 10:07:26 the US g1 supports tmobiles 2100/1700 hybrid, with 2100 down, 1700 up.... whereas the UK uses 2100/1900, with 2100 being downlink and 1900 uplink Oct 30 10:07:36 i see nothing indicating support for 1900 for umts on the g1 Oct 30 10:07:52 ieatlint, give it a week and it'll be all over Oct 30 10:10:23 kristian-m: apparently you can scoop a G1 up for $399 if you talk to the right store Oct 30 10:10:30 some will sell without contract Oct 30 10:10:30 ok, i concede that i am simply wrong Oct 30 10:10:32 others wont Oct 30 10:10:37 sorry :) Oct 30 10:10:50 :) Oct 30 10:11:02 happily wrong at that... nice to have umts outside the us Oct 30 10:11:13 how is everyone doing this AM (or whatever time it is there)? Oct 30 10:11:52 same 'ol same 'ol, someone challenges me, and eventually apologizes and admits they're wrong right around this time Oct 30 10:12:10 hah, how gracious of you ;) Oct 30 10:12:20 :P Oct 30 10:12:25 i wish i were kidding :| Oct 30 10:12:25 ieatlint okay, so umts will work in .de? \o/ Oct 30 10:12:34 yesterday it was umm Oct 30 10:12:35 i believe so Oct 30 10:12:38 brutesource Oct 30 10:12:48 forgot who it was nigth before Oct 30 10:12:51 *night Oct 30 10:13:21 but I'm gonna stop having these nightly convos while I'm ahead Oct 30 10:14:16 and i should probably get to bed Oct 30 10:14:32 :) Oct 30 10:14:34 'night Oct 30 10:14:37 goodnight Oct 30 10:15:13 sleep well oer there Oct 30 10:15:37 and enjoy your lunch over there :P Oct 30 10:16:08 * kristian-m just has his morning coffee Oct 30 10:16:17 :) Oct 30 10:31:55 i just have my *two* large coffees hehe Oct 30 10:32:45 'mornin :) Oct 30 10:46:49 lunch time.. gotta find something to eat.. Oct 30 11:13:37 I need some help regarding dynamicly creating a ListView..application keep crashing when i add an ArrayAdapter...anyone got a tutorial or something on this? Oct 30 11:13:48 i don't want to use the ListAcitivity.. Oct 30 11:21:55 ascii__: ApiDemos Oct 30 11:22:05 they use ListAcitivity Oct 30 11:22:10 what exception is thrown? Oct 30 11:22:31 just use it like any other view.. Oct 30 11:24:51 i add the ArrayAdapter with mylist.setAdapter(myadapter)...works fine when noe data is in the adapter, but when data i sinserteded, it crashes.. Oct 30 11:25:43 is there a error message is in LogCat? Oct 30 11:26:22 i dunno...my eclipse crash when i add the debug logcat option :/ Oct 30 11:26:50 are you using windows? :) Oct 30 11:27:04 nope, linux.. Oct 30 11:27:40 ok, then run "adb logcat" from console.. it gives you the output of logcat Oct 30 11:28:28 sweet! Oct 30 11:28:28 let it running and try again - you get the error message there and then you can see what went wrong :) Oct 30 11:31:14 as i thought... Oct 30 11:31:23 at android.widget.ArrayAdapter.createViewFromResource(ArrayAdapter.java:319) Oct 30 11:32:14 whats the first line of the stacktrace? Oct 30 11:33:04 E/AndroidRuntime( 237): java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to start activity ComponentInfo{com.android.lonelytravel/com.android.lonelytravel.LonelyTravel}: java.lang.NullPointerException: println needs a message Oct 30 11:33:51 huh.. Oct 30 11:34:32 hmm..seems like the Log.d() causes that one.. Oct 30 11:36:18 it works...dammit...love the debugger thingy! Oct 30 11:36:21 cheers mate.. Oct 30 11:40:11 hi, i'm trying to make a very simple application. A window with "hello world" and, with the selected of an item a new windows with "hello world 2". May I have a tips about windows switching in androd ? there is something like a "setCurrentDysplay" ? Oct 30 11:40:29 andreaf, check the samples Oct 30 11:41:44 eldenz: i'm gophering in the code... (Notepadv1 example) but I found only a setListAdapter Oct 30 11:42:03 not an explicit exchange between two view.. Oct 30 11:48:27 I'm not sure that I understand what you are asking but are you trying to launch another activity from your first activity? Oct 30 11:50:36 Tauno: yes, it is :) Oct 30 11:51:15 look here: http://code.google.com/android/intro/tutorial-ex2.html Oct 30 11:51:47 scootley: thanks a lot. Oct 30 11:52:17 look for startActivity() there :) Oct 30 11:52:44 ok Oct 30 11:52:58 and don't forget to do ex3 as well Oct 30 11:54:50 :) Oct 30 11:56:45 oh there's actually a channel on freenoe for android :x Oct 30 11:57:45 does anyone of you know facts about multi-touch abillity of the htc dream? Oct 30 11:58:10 not possible Oct 30 11:58:14 as far as i know Oct 30 11:59:57 because the latest information i have are, that the hardware is cappable of it, but it's disabled at software level due to patent conflicts with apple Oct 30 12:02:09 i hate apple Oct 30 12:02:16 . Oct 30 12:02:25 eat a worm? Oct 30 12:02:26 * andreaf too Oct 30 12:02:34 ;> Oct 30 12:03:13 how many $$$ of the iPhone's price will go towards that patent? :p Oct 30 12:03:33 you guys all gearing up for your ubuntu parties? Oct 30 12:07:07 Hi, all. I'm an Openmoko fan, but I understand that Google have opened all of the software on the new handsert. Is that true? Oct 30 12:07:23 good morning Oct 30 12:07:42 Morning Oct 30 12:07:55 does the android have a nuclear reactor hidden inside and does anyone know where I can find a good tip calculator? Oct 30 12:08:31 * kslater figured he should get things off to a proper start Oct 30 12:09:15 (a girl at work asked yesterday if we should also have a Ubuntu party... everybody was silent for a few moments and then everybody burst out in laughter.. so no.. I'm not gearing up for it I guess :/ ) Oct 30 12:10:00 gogo ubuntu party! :x Oct 30 12:11:12 * DASPRiD opens the champagner Oct 30 12:11:57 oh man, everyone needs to have an ubuntu party. Oct 30 12:12:24 when will it be released? Oct 30 12:12:32 today Oct 30 12:12:36 time known? Oct 30 12:12:38 probably around 11am est Oct 30 12:12:47 so in about 3 hours i would assume. Oct 30 12:12:48 est is like GMT-5? Oct 30 12:12:52 yeah Oct 30 12:12:56 i don't know if that is the right time though Oct 30 12:13:01 i forget when it was last time. Oct 30 12:13:07 so its basically just a guess Oct 30 12:13:18 changelog already available? Oct 30 12:13:27 ah found it Oct 30 12:14:25 chris_debian, I don't know if *all* the code that's there is open, but enough is that you would have a working phone Oct 30 12:14:35 there's a ton of stuff in the sources Oct 30 12:16:04 davidw:: Thanks for that. I thought I read somewhere that the day before release, Google opened the whole stack. GPLv2 and the Apache licence sounds good to me. Additionally, Openmoko is not quite as ready as I'd like it to be, so I may be getting the G1 when my current contract runs out in December. Oct 30 12:17:15 chris_debian, I think the nice thing about android is that you get open source and you actually get someone big dedicating a lot of resources to it Oct 30 12:17:47 chris_debian, one caveat though, is that you should do some research to see if it's actually possible to recompile everything and reload the phone, if that's something that interests you. Oct 30 12:19:22 it's possible to recompile almost everything - there are some proprietary binaries on the G1 for which there is no source. Oct 30 12:19:43 and there is no documented way know (yet?) to reload a built image onto a production G1. Oct 30 12:19:50 s/know/known/ Oct 30 12:19:51 rwhitby meant: and there is no documented way known (yet?) to reload a built image onto a production G1. Oct 30 12:19:54 Recompiling everything doesn't bother me, as I guess the compile was optimized for the hardware, anyway. I'm a big GNU/Linux advocate and have been Windows free since 1998, because I like openness. The openness is what attracts me :-) Oct 30 12:20:34 chris_debian, then I think it's a pretty good deal Oct 30 12:20:35 chris_debian: remember that the bootloader on the G1 doesn't need to be open, and it doesn't need to allow you to actually load a modified image to flash. Oct 30 12:20:38 it's cool to have source code for stuff Oct 30 12:20:47 :-) Oct 30 12:21:28 but if everthing you want to do sits on the existing platform (i.e. you're an app developer), then it should be open enough for your needs :-) Oct 30 12:23:23 has anyone dumped android on a different phone yet? or tried? Oct 30 12:23:44 i haven't heard of anything yet. Oct 30 12:24:41 is there any way to run a method on the first run of an app? Oct 30 12:25:01 or delete all the files made by an app when it's reinstalled? Oct 30 12:25:37 anyone want some usb? Oct 30 12:25:37 http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/30/usb-port-is-neither-usb-nor-port-just-amazing/ Oct 30 12:31:20 my G1 got the RC29 update overnight Oct 30 12:32:07 and now I have 3G reception in Washington, DC Oct 30 12:35:27 any other significant changes so far? Oct 30 12:54:15 yamn Oct 30 12:54:20 yawn Oct 30 12:54:22 :) Oct 30 12:54:32 \o Oct 30 13:01:53 Dougie187: i'm looking at getting a G1 through tmobile Oct 30 13:02:05 michaelnovakjr: oh yeah? Oct 30 13:02:10 yea Oct 30 13:02:11 just for dev? or with a contract? Oct 30 13:02:27 well... i don't want to pay $400 for the phone.... Oct 30 13:02:38 it would be mostly for dev purposes Oct 30 13:02:50 it sucks not having a device to test with Oct 30 13:03:21 yeah Oct 30 13:03:26 thats pretty cool though Oct 30 13:03:31 i have heard good things about the G1 Oct 30 13:03:32 lol Oct 30 13:03:39 haha Oct 30 13:03:57 cheapest plan they have with the good data plan is 65 bucks Oct 30 13:04:20 yeah Oct 30 13:04:33 is that with the $25 one? or the $35 one? Oct 30 13:04:42 35 dollar one Oct 30 13:04:56 apparently email isn't unlimited with the 25 dollar one either Oct 30 13:05:08 so that's kinda pointless Oct 30 13:05:39 yeah Oct 30 13:05:41 but you can do wifi. Oct 30 13:05:43 and then it is Oct 30 13:05:46 true Oct 30 13:05:57 i'm interested in getting everyday use testing out of it Oct 30 13:06:08 you keeping your iphone too? Oct 30 13:06:13 totally Oct 30 13:06:14 :) Oct 30 13:06:19 man its expensive being a dev. Oct 30 13:06:19 lol Oct 30 13:06:25 haha tell me about it Oct 30 13:06:36 especially a free and open source one L) Oct 30 13:06:43 yeah Oct 30 13:06:53 you can charge someone up the ass to be a dev though Oct 30 13:06:55 and make a lot of money. Oct 30 13:07:08 but most of them don't have souls. Oct 30 13:07:11 lol Oct 30 13:07:12 yea, but it takes the fun out of it Oct 30 13:07:31 i have to come up with a halloween costume.... Oct 30 13:07:39 we are going to a party tomorrow... and i don't know what i should be. Oct 30 13:07:41 you should be the android Oct 30 13:08:01 ok. buy you have like 24 hours to make an android costume. Oct 30 13:08:06 ready. set. go Oct 30 13:08:06 haha Oct 30 13:08:10 but* Oct 30 13:08:20 oh man, today is ubuntu party day too Oct 30 13:08:26 haha yea Oct 30 13:08:27 im not going to get any work done tonight Oct 30 13:08:35 michaelnovakjr Oct 30 13:08:37 whattup sir Oct 30 13:08:38 yo Oct 30 13:08:44 i got that info for you Oct 30 13:08:55 hey dogie187 how are ya Oct 30 13:09:18 hey trigatch4. Oct 30 13:09:20 im good. Oct 30 13:09:33 welcome to the android frathouse Oct 30 13:09:38 :D Oct 30 13:09:46 lol are you welcoming trigatch4? Oct 30 13:09:52 no, an_dev Oct 30 13:09:53 oh ok Oct 30 13:09:54 but hey Oct 30 13:09:54 lol Oct 30 13:10:04 i was gonna say... i think hes been around here longer then you have. Oct 30 13:10:11 haha Oct 30 13:11:56 yeah Oct 30 13:12:00 and i don't even develop anything Oct 30 13:12:08 me either trigatch4 Oct 30 13:12:10 i do homework. Oct 30 13:12:11 yeah, me either buddy, me either Oct 30 13:12:14 haha Oct 30 13:12:16 well thats not entirely true... i develop an apetite every coupla hours Oct 30 13:12:20 haha Oct 30 13:12:26 the gdevs are sitting there facepalming Oct 30 13:12:30 speaking of which.. does anyone know the backward error analysis for an outer product? Oct 30 13:12:52 speaking of which Oct 30 13:12:54 jasonchen: are you around? Oct 30 13:13:28 he's sneaky sneaky Oct 30 13:13:36 and never around Oct 30 13:13:41 i haven't talked to him in like 4 months. Oct 30 13:13:41 lol Oct 30 13:13:51 probably longer than that. Oct 30 13:13:57 i was arguing with him back before IO Oct 30 13:14:06 i think thats the last time i talked with him. Oct 30 13:14:44 i'll be there next year Oct 30 13:18:31 whew that was a lot of work Oct 30 13:18:45 my zazzle android store is now unbranded :P Oct 30 13:18:50 working on cafe press now Oct 30 13:18:58 unbranded? Oct 30 13:19:05 as in your nick is off it? Oct 30 13:19:21 no ... apparently using the custom android font is a no-no Oct 30 13:19:26 ahh Oct 30 13:19:27 yeah Oct 30 13:19:36 you need to get special written permission to do that Oct 30 13:19:45 a teachers note Oct 30 13:19:46 wish i could have it ;) Oct 30 13:19:49 lulz Oct 30 13:19:54 well, submit a request Oct 30 13:20:01 withe the exact design Oct 30 13:20:05 whats your android store? Oct 30 13:20:09 who knows, they might consider it Oct 30 13:20:15 http://www.zazzle.com/DJTachyon Oct 30 13:20:41 I'm uploading the unbranded images to my cafe press store now: http://www.cafepress.com/DJTachyon Oct 30 13:20:45 * languish particularly likes the black hoodie with the small bugdroid on front, and large on back Oct 30 13:20:51 :) Oct 30 13:20:56 :D Oct 30 13:21:01 ... your making android products? Oct 30 13:21:07 did you see my stamp got image of the day? Oct 30 13:21:15 ahah cool Oct 30 13:21:16 or product of the day .. Oct 30 13:21:19 DJTachyon... bad idea Oct 30 13:21:26 violates trademark law Oct 30 13:21:29 nope :) Oct 30 13:21:51 On my forums I was going to make a few CafePress products because members wanted Android Shirts Oct 30 13:22:03 http://www.android.com/branding.html Oct 30 13:22:06 :P Oct 30 13:22:06 Was going to use the proceeds to have apps developed based on voting by community of what they wanted Oct 30 13:22:15 but someone from Google messaged me Oct 30 13:22:19 and said i shouldnt Oct 30 13:22:23 he can use the bugdroid, not the android text logo Oct 30 13:22:34 i read the fine print Oct 30 13:22:51 http://code.google.com/android/goodies/index.html Oct 30 13:23:07 not to mention the creative commons license on the wallpapers page Oct 30 13:23:40 has anyone else had trouble with connectbot and ports other than 22? Oct 30 13:23:46 i spent hours re-rendering those images in 8000x6000, 300dpi images Oct 30 13:23:58 o.O Oct 30 13:23:58 you are supposed to have that line on your site though Oct 30 13:24:03 it is Oct 30 13:24:05 "Portions of this page are reproduced from work created and shared by Google and used according to terms described in the Creative Commons 2.5 Attribution License. " Oct 30 13:24:07 look at the store front Oct 30 13:24:27 i do need to add the branding page though Oct 30 13:24:41 b/c i just found out about that one Oct 30 13:24:51 hence why i am removing all the text Oct 30 13:25:11 languish, when you need to print a post, you need a BIG image :P Oct 30 13:25:16 poster * Oct 30 13:25:21 ya, i know :) Oct 30 13:25:37 ummm Oct 30 13:25:44 there is a difference between "using" Oct 30 13:25:46 and "selling" Oct 30 13:25:48 is there not? Oct 30 13:26:10 the only feedback from google employees ive gotten is to not use the font Oct 30 13:26:27 if you are selling an app with the droid, that is fine Oct 30 13:26:33 that is the point Oct 30 13:26:42 its marketing for them, what do they care? Oct 30 13:26:59 its like allowing fan sites for a game and giving image packages .. Oct 30 13:27:14 DJTachyon_: sadly, trademark law is bizarre that way. Oct 30 13:27:20 yeah Oct 30 13:27:26 sometimes you will get a cease and desist letter Oct 30 13:27:29 sometimes you won't Oct 30 13:27:36 but its within their RIGHT to prevent you Oct 30 13:27:44 although Google will probably just turn the other way Oct 30 13:27:51 well even if it's not, I don't have the money for litigation Oct 30 13:27:55 it's more than that. If the trademark isn't actively enforced, it loses protection. Oct 30 13:27:56 so I would stop :P Oct 30 13:27:59 I actually should contact them since Android is in my freaking domain name Oct 30 13:28:07 Unlike patents, you can't have a submarine trademark. Oct 30 13:28:08 I don't think you can trademark a particular font Oct 30 13:28:15 jbq: lol Oct 30 13:28:23 although, that probably falls under copyright Oct 30 13:28:37 well i am obeying the branding page now Oct 30 13:28:38 you can patent a font, no? Oct 30 13:28:43 tmccrary: it's recognizable, isn't it? that probably makes is a trademark. Oct 30 13:28:43 uh, definately not Oct 30 13:28:48 You can't trademark the font, you can copyright the font. Oct 30 13:28:51 you could patent font rendering techniques though Oct 30 13:28:56 As long as they made it. Oct 30 13:29:05 You can trademark a logo using the font. Oct 30 13:29:10 that said, imitations would be tough to win in court Oct 30 13:29:29 err, suing imitations would be tough to win in court Oct 30 13:29:40 but google could probably tie you up in court for a while before they lost Oct 30 13:29:47 if they even felt it was worth it Oct 30 13:32:16 well im glad romainguy pointed me to the branding page Oct 30 13:32:25 i was looking for something like that before starting this Oct 30 13:32:43 so now im pulling the font Oct 30 13:33:01 is there even an actual font like that or is it just vector art? Oct 30 13:33:14 well if it exists, its not public Oct 30 13:33:23 trust me i looked ;) Oct 30 13:33:46 there, zazzle is done Oct 30 13:34:58 i just walked into starbucks... within two minutes att sent me a text message saying... hey you get free wifi here Oct 30 13:35:19 ummm Oct 30 13:35:25 the font took 2 years to develop Oct 30 13:35:29 and is called Droid Sans Oct 30 13:35:32 jebus Oct 30 13:35:33 weird Oct 30 13:35:36 theres a really, really interesting article about it somewhere Oct 30 13:35:37 isn't it on the phone? Oct 30 13:35:39 michaelnovakjr: what device are you using that got you that info? Oct 30 13:35:46 iPhone Oct 30 13:35:49 ahh Oct 30 13:35:50 they just renabled it Oct 30 13:35:54 its when you hit their AP Oct 30 13:35:54 2 years? jebus Oct 30 13:35:55 DJTachyon, Google isn't going to sue you Oct 30 13:35:59 at the most, they'd ask you to take it down Oct 30 13:36:04 well right Oct 30 13:36:06 I get complimentary ATT wifi with my ATT DSL Oct 30 13:36:09 its good you asked romainguy Oct 30 13:36:17 nice Oct 30 13:36:18 well, "ask to take it down or we'll sue you" Oct 30 13:36:18 and I got tmo hotspot, too with my tmo data plan Oct 30 13:36:19 ;) Oct 30 13:36:22 yup yup :) Oct 30 13:36:41 so basically I get to hop my notebook on the ATT and my G1 on the hotspot at starbucks, and leech both pipes Oct 30 13:36:43 yea Death_Syn it is just on my iPhone in starbucks... don't get it on my computer for free .. ( lame ) Oct 30 13:36:45 :P Oct 30 13:36:58 that's pretty lame Oct 30 13:36:59 i still cant believe my plan is $55 a month for a G1 when I was paying $80/mo for a motorola q plan on verizon Oct 30 13:37:12 tmobile's prices are much cheaper than VZW Oct 30 13:37:12 unfortunately DJTachyon_ you're now going to have a competitor ;) Oct 30 13:37:18 bah Oct 30 13:37:27 but the service area isn't as good Oct 30 13:37:28 haha Oct 30 13:37:29 its a trade Oct 30 13:37:33 haha Oct 30 13:37:42 now i actually have to think about cool ideas instead of just slap the generic droid on everything Oct 30 13:37:44 thankfully for me, my coverage in D/FW is good with tmobile, too Oct 30 13:38:11 Thankfully for me, tmobile just turned on 3G :) Oct 30 13:38:13 and i should really be doing work right now Oct 30 13:38:17 I woke up this morning and my G1 is showing 3G instead of EDGE :D *DANCE* Oct 30 13:38:17 like yesterday Oct 30 13:38:22 tmccrary: ncie Oct 30 13:38:23 er nice Oct 30 13:38:29 bugdroid with a lightsaber slicing an iphone Oct 30 13:38:31 lulz Oct 30 13:38:36 I did a double take when it first showed up Oct 30 13:38:45 sorry, an iphonish clone Oct 30 13:38:56 and then I was sad, because tmobile didn't add the data plan to my phone when I bought it Oct 30 13:39:02 a clonephone Oct 30 13:39:03 despite my protests to put it on Oct 30 13:39:09 ugh stupid ups wouldnt resolve my work address for my new g1 from tmobile .. now its delayed Oct 30 13:39:21 i hate my company for not have a street address Oct 30 13:39:50 haha. Oct 30 13:40:27 plusminus_: what city? Oct 30 13:41:02 at least i have my broken g1 :P Oct 30 13:41:13 Disconnect: Wider washington area Oct 30 13:41:17 College park Oct 30 13:41:44 it seems a bit more responsive but the youyube videos I just tested still seem a bit poor quality Oct 30 13:42:00 tmccrary: they wouldn't sell you the data plan? Oct 30 13:42:11 * Disconnect is in silver spring.. home is near crofton.. hope hope Oct 30 13:42:18 yes 3g in silver spring !! Oct 30 13:42:53 plusminus_: thanks for the heads up :) :) Oct 30 13:43:02 Death_Syn: yeah, I told them specifically to add the data plan and they didn't Oct 30 13:43:19 but I heard that t-mobile's network in detroit sucks for data Oct 30 13:43:22 sounds like time to call 611 and complain Oct 30 13:43:34 so when 3G started showing up and still didn't work Oct 30 13:43:38 I called to see wtf was going on Oct 30 13:43:45 and that's when they told me I had to data plan Oct 30 13:43:52 tmobile FTW! Oct 30 13:43:58 does anyone know if I can obfuscate my apps package name to something like a.a or do I have to use a correct package name? Oct 30 13:44:12 I guess the later one.. but why? what does depend on it? Oct 30 13:44:30 Disconnect: market downloads still do not work for me :'(\ Oct 30 13:44:43 aww Oct 30 13:44:57 trigatch4: Talk to me when you get on the Top Pick of the Day on Zazzle ;) Oct 30 13:44:59 heh. dslreports.com/mspeed .. picked the biggest file.. "unstable/too fast a result" Oct 30 13:45:40 Disconnect, you have to pick a file bigger than 100k Oct 30 13:45:48 yah it doesn't offer the 1m at first Oct 30 13:45:50 pick the next series of files and choose 1MB Oct 30 13:45:52 591k Oct 30 13:46:07 I was gettin 819 earlier Oct 30 13:46:10 * plusminus_ FYI AndNav2 alpha-test: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-Fg46JbVns Oct 30 13:46:12 fianlly Oct 30 13:46:24 before that I was getting high edge speed even on 3g Oct 30 13:46:26 636 on the 2nd try, not sitting on my lap Oct 30 13:46:33 heh i have no reception at work Oct 30 13:46:37 but im going into the city tonight Oct 30 13:46:48 and the club im setting up at has a 3g antennea on the roof :P Oct 30 13:47:36 gonna be a crazy halloween party :) Oct 30 13:47:59 anybody in NYC? :P Oct 30 13:48:05 yep Oct 30 13:48:08 lulz Oct 30 13:48:16 i was gonna bum up to baltimore this weekend to try it out. saves me a drive, if it works @ the bar in bowie (course, the bar has wifi :) but they started filtering :( linkedin and facebook, etc is blocked. but not WoW cuz the manager spends all day playing..) Oct 30 13:48:21 which club? Oct 30 13:48:27 504kbit/s inside a building Oct 30 13:48:45 * Disconnect is next door to discover channel Oct 30 13:49:21 plusminus_: market worked for me, just installed jumpy in basically no time at all (took way longer to set up the dl than to complete and install) Oct 30 13:49:35 im in NYC Oct 30 13:50:06 Well the pendulum show at Webster Hall had one too last weekend ;) Oct 30 13:50:21 Disconnect: my Android-version seems to be not up to date :( Oct 30 13:50:28 I was talking to my buddy at google last night Oct 30 13:50:44 the punk was telling me that google gave out g1s. Oct 30 13:50:54 plusminus_: commercial g1? Oct 30 13:50:56 google pays for the data plan too. Oct 30 13:51:02 neat Oct 30 13:51:02 Disconnect: yes Oct 30 13:51:04 I heard the same Oct 30 13:51:07 what a punk. :-) Oct 30 13:51:17 Disconnect: and i'm not the only one Oct 30 13:51:18 plusminus_: suck :( and weird. i'm still on the original retail rev (r18?) Oct 30 13:51:30 the guy i chatted with showed me, neat phone, wouldn't mind dropping verizon (teh suck) Oct 30 13:51:48 i dont think any of you would be interesting in the type of music at the club im VJ'ing tomorrow :P Oct 30 13:52:03 interested* Oct 30 13:52:22 so for other 3g g1 people.. is it as bad for battery as i've been hearing? cuz battery is pretty crap to begin with Oct 30 13:52:28 DJTachyon: what music? Oct 30 13:52:44 happy hardcore and Drum and Bass :P Oct 30 13:52:58 * Disconnect is more a goth/ind/techno kind of guy, but.. Oct 30 13:53:01 DJTachyon, I used to hang out at orchard regularly Oct 30 13:53:11 plenty of dnb Oct 30 13:53:28 nice Oct 30 13:53:35 Club Love has a great DnB night Oct 30 13:53:49 i'm into the low key places.... not the crazy places :) Oct 30 13:53:56 "The Secret Night of Science" Oct 30 13:54:12 michaelnovakjr, nowdays I'm in to the low key places too Oct 30 13:54:15 SNoS is pretty low key .. black door club, good sound Oct 30 13:54:27 got some nice ones in brooklyn I like Oct 30 13:54:35 yeah Club Exit is in Brooklyn Oct 30 13:54:38 nod Oct 30 13:54:46 languish: i hang out in Bay Ridge Oct 30 13:54:55 this russian pimp wanted to take one of my friends to club exit to meet his grils Oct 30 13:54:58 Girls Oct 30 13:55:14 it was rather amusing Oct 30 13:55:43 wha?! Oct 30 13:55:49 lol Oct 30 13:55:59 yeah this party is at exit tomorrow, im heading there tonight Oct 30 13:56:03 to setup Oct 30 13:56:07 lol Oct 30 13:56:17 funny shit .. Oct 30 13:56:27 yeah, we were at a lounge down by ave X & ocean, and this pimp tried to get my friend to head over to exit with him to meet his girls Oct 30 13:56:43 if you need ho's I have his # somewhere :/ Oct 30 13:56:48 well luckily this isnt a normal club night Oct 30 13:56:59 so its a whole different production krew Oct 30 13:57:02 sounds like a movie i've seen recently Oct 30 13:57:51 seems with the economy the way it is, fewer people are hooking up with the ho's, and the pimps are trying to drum up business Oct 30 13:57:57 lol Oct 30 13:58:06 well there wont be any of that going on Oct 30 13:58:09 no joke, NYT's even mentioned it in an article Oct 30 13:58:15 not with a $30 cover ;) Oct 30 13:58:22 hah Oct 30 13:58:59 I also like this other place down in brooklyn by neck road.. Anyway Cafe Oct 30 13:59:21 im not familiar with that once .. i dont live in the city, im in NJ Oct 30 13:59:25 there's one here in manhattan too, but it's always too packed Oct 30 13:59:26 one* Oct 30 13:59:30 does anyone have info about the UK launch of the G1? Is it available @ t-mobile stores currently? Oct 30 13:59:40 its at walmart store in the US ;) Oct 30 14:00:55 Tauno: someone reported (I think on android-discuss@) that they had bought one. Oct 30 14:01:27 i guess the local chat should subside in here. so.. #NYCsocial Oct 30 14:01:54 My G1 is broken :( Oct 30 14:02:00 ? Oct 30 14:02:07 how'd you manage that? Oct 30 14:02:17 The Accelerometer/Compass package was defective from the factory Oct 30 14:02:22 ah Oct 30 14:02:32 head to a store and swap it on the spot Oct 30 14:02:34 trying to explain that to a Tier 1 at T-Mobile was a blast Oct 30 14:02:39 haha Oct 30 14:02:50 i cant .. ordered off the website Oct 30 14:02:56 so what Oct 30 14:03:00 I wouldn't care Oct 30 14:03:12 they do ... they wont do it Oct 30 14:03:18 they said they dont have enough stock Oct 30 14:03:21 BS :) Oct 30 14:03:32 yeah i know .. but they crossed shipped Oct 30 14:03:33 they don't want to, but they will if you push it Oct 30 14:03:38 nod Oct 30 14:03:44 call 611 and tell them that the store (actual tmob store, not the "wireless store" crap) wouldn't do it.. they'll get on them about it. Oct 30 14:04:08 actually i did, and they have been advised to not let people do it Oct 30 14:04:10 its wierd Oct 30 14:04:15 jbq_ yeah, the same guy who's last blog post was about "Why I won’t be buying the Android T-Mobile G1 phone" and the next one is about how he bought a G1 so that's why I'm asking for confirmation that I can just walk in there and buy one :) (or do I have to pre register on their homepage or anything? :) Oct 30 14:04:34 DJTachyon, when you call in and get the AVR, after saying "English" just say "G1" Oct 30 14:04:42 you go directly to a certain group Oct 30 14:04:50 rather than the numbnuts Oct 30 14:04:59 oh Oct 30 14:05:02 Tauno: I don't know the details (I'm in the US). Oct 30 14:05:02 that would be nice Oct 30 14:16:48 no ubuntu party yet :( Oct 30 14:17:01 there .. the cafepress store is done .. http://www.cafepress.com/DJTachyon Oct 30 14:17:11 no more Droid Sans font Oct 30 14:17:14 Dougie187: will my package manager thing update all that stuff, or is it the type of thing I have to reinstall whole distro? Oct 30 14:17:29 yakischloba package manage will take care of it Oct 30 14:17:34 woowoo. Oct 30 14:17:34 i have never had good luck with it though Oct 30 14:17:38 so i always reinstall Oct 30 14:17:46 but this time im making a seperate home dir Oct 30 14:17:52 heh Oct 30 14:18:02 i do the upgrade each time Oct 30 14:18:05 don't forget to back up your shit before you update Oct 30 14:18:06 works well for me Oct 30 14:18:20 all my stuff lives on servers :) Oct 30 14:18:21 * andreaf has found the right example for view forwarding... Oct 30 14:18:23 yep Oct 30 14:18:40 DJTachyon: are you just making like 10000 android stores? Oct 30 14:19:07 michaelnovakjr: yeah.... i don't have servers to store my stuff on.. well my school stuff i do, but nothing else. Oct 30 14:19:14 i have external harddrives Oct 30 14:19:26 Dougie187: my hosting company gave me unlimited space :) Oct 30 14:19:28 anything of value on my work computer is also in svn and git Oct 30 14:19:28 http://gizmodo.com/5070898/motorolas-focus-on-android-wont-yield-an-actual-phone-before-christmas-2009 Oct 30 14:19:32 lol Oct 30 14:19:33 git!! Oct 30 14:20:07 unix_lappy: thats too bad... Oct 30 14:20:36 michaelnovakjr: so your work? Oct 30 14:20:45 nope, dreamhost Oct 30 14:20:52 Dougie187: motorola has always been terrible at making handsets. now they are just saying it out loud. Oct 30 14:21:07 heh Oct 30 14:21:18 my little brother has the Q9c and he likes it.. Oct 30 14:21:45 unix_lappy: maybe in sw but in hardware morotola handsets are good (imho) Oct 30 14:21:58 yap Oct 30 14:21:59 UBUNTU PARTY!!! Oct 30 14:22:05 http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download Oct 30 14:22:08 ahh Oct 30 14:22:11 thx Dougie187 Oct 30 14:22:12 andreaf: yea I do like a couple of their devices from the hardware side. Oct 30 14:22:20 ubuntu Oct 30 14:22:25 andreaf: though, they've been terrible at providing all around products for a long time. Oct 30 14:22:33 unix_lappy: best of all the microphone and loudspeaker part Oct 30 14:22:42 Lets get this party started! Oct 30 14:22:46 i have to create about 32 squarisch elements on the screen, and they should react on clicks and change look, what class can do that? Oct 30 14:23:07 andreaf: honestly, best OVERALL handest i've ever owned was the c116. Oct 30 14:24:45 class Button ofcourse, but maybe theres another possibility Oct 30 14:25:38 unix_lappy minimal, no frills :) Oct 30 14:26:06 bummer about the snacks guys Oct 30 14:26:16 tmccrary: ? Oct 30 14:26:21 no snacks for the party? Oct 30 14:26:31 * Disconnect has 3g snackies Oct 30 14:27:05 the torrent is slower than mirrors are right now, just so everyone knows Oct 30 14:27:11 unix_lappy: for nokia an old and good handset was 6310. a rock (ok without programming enviroment) Oct 30 14:27:27 * Disconnect is kubuntu-upgrading @ about 250kb/s Oct 30 14:27:33 but its my work desktop so who cares. Oct 30 14:27:59 did a couple of netbook netboot installs last night on the wif's wind, that was fairly quick Oct 30 14:28:02 oh its out! Oct 30 14:28:03 :x Oct 30 14:28:03 andreaf: what type of devices do you THINK makes nokia #1 in market share thoughout the world... Oct 30 14:28:09 http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/30/openmoko-working-up-android-based-handset/ Oct 30 14:28:10 wtf? Oct 30 14:28:51 it's certainly not a bunch of N95's floating around. it's old, feature phones from the early 2000's. Oct 30 14:28:52 not a bad idea, ride the waves Oct 30 14:29:19 unix_lappy first series 3xxx ? when devices were only phones ? or maybe the 6600 smartphone ? Oct 30 14:30:10 Disconnect, upgradding at 2mb/s Oct 30 14:30:16 andreaf: exactly. Oct 30 14:30:25 yah mine is climbing and falling, peaks around 500k it looks like Oct 30 14:30:50 unix_lappy: and the strong usability of devices (different devices, same approach to the gui) Oct 30 14:30:52 yeah its also constantly changing here between 2 and 3mb/s Oct 30 14:31:01 takes 20 minutes :/ Oct 30 14:31:14 oh, down to 15 Oct 30 14:31:14 :) Oct 30 14:31:47 nokia 5110 - the phone that survived dropping in water, a competition where you would stick it in the ground by its antenna and then kicking it really hard to see who can kick it the furthest, dropping it into a fireplace so the bottom part of it kind of melt (including the battery to the rest of the body etc.. Oct 30 14:32:23 sounds like my kind of phone ;) Oct 30 14:33:55 the only thing that it didn't have that I missed were event reminders.. I always forgot something :) Oct 30 14:34:56 unix_lappy: 6630 / N70 is a "recent" quite good device (with a symbian not DRM) Oct 30 14:36:30 i got my copy! Oct 30 14:36:58 anyone else get theirs? Oct 30 14:37:18 Tauno, believe in us, we will remind you :D Oct 30 14:37:43 downloading now.... Oct 30 14:37:49 michaelnovakjr: how much left? Oct 30 14:37:54 michaelnovakjr: hit up OSU OSL Oct 30 14:37:57 99 percent Oct 30 14:38:00 its always a super quick mirror Oct 30 14:38:00 :) Oct 30 14:38:03 nice Oct 30 14:38:50 * DASPRiD opens the champagner for ubuntu 8.10 Oct 30 14:38:55 ugh, someone using the market to show code examples/techniques and their website :| Oct 30 14:39:03 more spam Oct 30 14:39:13 and that idiot with the camera mockup again Oct 30 14:39:19 ? Oct 30 14:39:28 check the Market Oct 30 14:39:37 apps by date Oct 30 14:39:40 nice pulling 1.2 mb/sec Oct 30 14:40:00 im going to install it in a vm first Oct 30 14:40:03 streaming video should be a go :) Oct 30 14:40:06 michaelnovakjr: what mirror did you use/ Oct 30 14:40:17 oh for ubuntu Oct 30 14:40:18 lol Oct 30 14:40:28 OSU Oct 30 14:40:37 Nice. Oct 30 14:40:41 thats my alma mater. Oct 30 14:40:43 ;) Oct 30 14:41:05 nice Oct 30 14:41:23 sigh. tmob is trashing our accounts again. 3rd time the wif has had to call to explain that she STILL has a blackberry and I STILL have a g1, and we STILL need the appropriate services... Oct 30 14:41:36 haha Oct 30 14:41:52 yeah, I lost data yesterday, called to figure out what was going on, turns out it was under the 7 day "free trial" plan? Oct 30 14:41:56 michaelnovakjr, 1.2 mb/s is slow :x Oct 30 14:42:00 languish, can't check it.. don't have a device :( Oct 30 14:42:11 Tauno :( Oct 30 14:42:27 i need a screenshot app for the G1 Oct 30 14:42:27 DASPRiD: Faster then the torrents... those are like 150kbs Oct 30 14:42:27 hmm Oct 30 14:42:47 Dougie187, well as i said, im leeching with between 2 and 3 mb/s :) Oct 30 14:42:53 seems like i got a faster mirro probably Oct 30 14:42:58 DASPRiD: From the torrents now? Oct 30 14:43:02 no Oct 30 14:43:04 oh Oct 30 14:43:09 usual upgrade within the system Oct 30 14:43:10 well what mirror did you grab from? Oct 30 14:43:13 oh ok Oct 30 14:43:25 my system hasn't even said you can update yet. Oct 30 14:43:25 lol Oct 30 14:43:31 DASPRiD: not for open source mirrors :) Oct 30 14:43:35 Dougie187, you have to enable it Oct 30 14:43:48 no you don't it will inform you in update-manager once its available Oct 30 14:43:53 Dougie187: if you are on LTS it won't tell you Oct 30 14:43:57 yea, once your computer checks it Oct 30 14:44:02 Disconnect, right Oct 30 14:44:02 yes it will Oct 30 14:44:12 it told me Oct 30 14:44:18 once the mirrors update it will inform you Oct 30 14:44:21 michaelnovakjr, then it was yet enabled Oct 30 14:44:22 which mine hasn't done yet Oct 30 14:44:35 anyways, i have to go to class. Oct 30 14:44:37 "By default Ubuntu 8.04 LTS will not offer a upgrade to 8.10. This is because the 8.04 LTS version is a long term support release and 8.10 is a regular release." from http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading Oct 30 14:44:37 ill bbl Oct 30 14:44:38 Dougie187, http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading Oct 30 14:44:40 have fun with ubuntu! Oct 30 14:44:43 did you follow those steps? Oct 30 14:44:49 ..so no, no it won't Oct 30 14:45:01 tou'che..... Oct 30 14:45:04 but class time. Oct 30 14:45:09 ill bbl. Oct 30 14:45:10 bibi, hf Oct 30 14:50:50 is there a way to send pictures in your phone direct to flickr yet? Oct 30 14:51:21 how much does the G1 cost without a contract? Oct 30 14:51:32 $399 afaik Oct 30 14:51:41 tho i could be wrong Oct 30 14:51:53 hm, that's so cheap ;< i'm tempted to import one :f Oct 30 14:51:53 that is what tmo site says Oct 30 14:52:16 how much does an iphone costs without contract? Oct 30 14:52:22 don't want to know Oct 30 14:52:29 its probably insane Oct 30 14:52:34 in switzerland it's CHF850 Oct 30 14:52:37 i paid 300 for mine in contract Oct 30 14:52:57 which is $750 Oct 30 14:53:05 YIKES Oct 30 14:53:19 for that you get two gPhones Oct 30 14:53:27 yea pretty much Oct 30 14:53:30 its nuts Oct 30 14:53:33 although i didn't really look around just at my carrier's price.. which probably is higher than at other places Oct 30 14:53:36 apple really has to lower it's prices soon Oct 30 14:53:59 DASPRiD: you can get one for $199 Oct 30 14:54:06 languish: I suspect you'll never see a screenshot app for Android. You'll have to make do with grabbing screens from the simulator. Oct 30 14:54:10 michaelnovakjr, with contract Oct 30 14:54:18 which is $20 more than the G1 w/contract Oct 30 14:54:26 last thing i read was $179 Oct 30 14:54:33 (ok cheapest is $708) Oct 30 14:54:33 ah iphone Oct 30 14:54:34 :x Oct 30 14:54:36 TreyB why not? Oct 30 14:54:46 michaelnovakjr: security issues. Oct 30 14:55:02 makes sense i guess Oct 30 14:55:23 that's not a big deal though Oct 30 14:57:15 how do I get the UID for my app? Oct 30 14:57:44 TreyB: it'd have to come from google, users are "protected" from that sort of thing. its like backups.. Oct 30 14:57:59 er, to michaelnovakjr not TreyB Oct 30 14:59:09 Given the display model I assume Dianne and Mathias used, an app just wouldn't have the rights to grab anything outside of its window. Oct 30 14:59:46 screenshot app jsut needs to read /dev/fb0 and save it to a useful format (png is usually a real simple transform) Oct 30 14:59:57 The issues are more technical than security (security is fairly easy to solve, let each app say whether it can be in a screenshot, and forbid screenshots if any of the apps on-screen prevents is). Oct 30 15:00:05 its usually one of the first apps on a mobile linux platform because its so simple Oct 30 15:00:39 Disconnect: that assumes a *lot* about the layout of fb0 which will probably not hold true with graphics acceleration in the future. Oct 30 15:00:53 The real problem is that there's no single place where the entire screen exists at any given time, other than the LCD itself which isn't accessible. Oct 30 15:00:59 In particular, it assumes the existence of a frame buffer. :-) Oct 30 15:01:01 anyone know where i can find my app's UID? Oct 30 15:01:06 Disconnect: yea... its cool Oct 30 15:01:29 fadden0: correct. Oct 30 15:03:36 * Disconnect recalls a cheater-method from the ipaq days.. transform was done by a cgi script, so you could get a screenshot on most arm platforms by just running "nc 1.2.3.4:55 < /dev/fb0" Oct 30 15:04:09 there's no way to interrogate the graphics subsystem? Oct 30 15:04:28 DDMS does something similar through adb... Oct 30 15:04:33 Disconnect: jbq would know, but I suspect normal apps wouldn't have the rights. Oct 30 15:04:42 What Trey said. Oct 30 15:05:05 We can't possibly let apps directly control a piece of hardware that's capable of DMA. Oct 30 15:05:40 Much less let them read from the framebuffer and slow down the GPU. Oct 30 15:06:03 Ah, ADB's framebuffer_service.c copies /dev/graphics/fb0 out. Oct 30 15:06:21 given how much trouble people have replicating the device behavior in the emulator (or vice versa) it seems like a screenshot call would be almost a requirement in the api.. Oct 30 15:06:25 Moddern graphics hardware *really* want you to treat it as a write-only device. Oct 30 15:07:25 TreyB: nobody expects a screenshot to be snappy. or to happen without freezing the UI briefly. Oct 30 15:07:43 TreyB: read-modify-write over PCI ... shudder. Oct 30 15:08:13 As for the graphics architecture, as far as I know the *actual* framebuffer is in the LCD in a place that's not accessible in software. What the software see is a scratch pad for dirty regions, and it only pushes to the LCD what is actually dirty. I'm not sure how 3D acceleration comes into play there, but I know that it introduces an additional layer of indirection with tiling. Oct 30 15:09:22 GIT: system/core/adb/framebuffer_service.c Oct 30 15:10:03 my kingdom for functional imap mail Oct 30 15:10:04 heh Oct 30 15:10:33 thoraxe: any specific request? Oct 30 15:11:01 cbeust: just waiting for some of the bugs that i posted to get fixed (deletes, folder sync, etc.) and for some enhancements to happen (move mail between folders) Oct 30 15:11:06 i need to give k9 a try Oct 30 15:11:47 Can you email me a link to these bugs? Oct 30 15:13:07 languish: I suspect you'll never see a screenshot app for Android. You'll have to make do with grabbing screens from the simulator. Oct 30 15:13:08 sure Oct 30 15:13:11 what's your email address Oct 30 15:13:15 in other words, giving up freedom for security Oct 30 15:13:20 *sigh* Oct 30 15:13:23 cbeust@google.com Oct 30 15:13:46 cbeust: well, the only one i posted was 1096 Oct 30 15:13:51 1097 is about AOL Oct 30 15:14:03 but i'll send you some links to "important" imap related bugs Oct 30 15:14:08 Than ks Oct 30 15:14:16 i know, give me a usbext flexible attachment to point at the screen and take a snapshot :P Oct 30 15:20:46 thoraxe: k-9 is nice Oct 30 15:21:02 cbeust: i've got some too, lemme see the #s real quick Oct 30 15:22:04 anyone can point me to android.content package in the source tree ? cant seem to find it. Oct 30 15:23:15 actually, are usbext attachments with compatible apps, possible for the G1? Oct 30 15:23:16 cbeust: #1016, #1029, #1030, #1031, #1046, #1047, #1050, #1063, #1069, #1077 (dupe), #1098 (gmail), #1105 Oct 30 15:23:19 let alone android? Oct 30 15:23:29 (besides headphones) Oct 30 15:23:34 neerhaj: http://git.source.android.com/?p=platform/frameworks/base.git;a=tree;f=core/java/android/content Oct 30 15:23:42 they aren't all mine btw but i'm following most of the email/imap bugs so i had a handy * list Oct 30 15:23:51 jbq: thanks :) Oct 30 15:25:15 and #1128 Oct 30 15:25:20 Disconnect: add 1096 to that list and email it to him :P Oct 30 15:25:38 heh Oct 30 15:25:42 by the way, could it be possible to install ubuntu mobile on th G1? Oct 30 15:25:55 DASPRiD: we can't even install new android on a g1.. Oct 30 15:25:59 thoraxe: ok Oct 30 15:26:02 Disconnect, uh? Oct 30 15:26:26 so no upgrades or so? Oct 30 15:26:41 official upgrades Oct 30 15:26:50 DASPRiD: no reflash. so to get an update (or security fix..) you need to wait for google to produce or accept it. then you need to wait for tmob to test it. then you need to wait for tmob to queue up an OTA update (which is a moderately risky operation due to users being users) which is gonna be infrequent at best. Oct 30 15:27:27 or wait until it's hacked and install at your lesiure Oct 30 15:27:40 hehe Oct 30 15:27:41 Disconnect: note that technically updates could be distributed to install through the SD card. Oct 30 15:27:59 (so that removes the actual cost of sending terabytes of data OTA). Oct 30 15:28:11 Got the bugs, thanks Oct 30 15:28:22 jbq: true but only for users who are savvy enough to do that Oct 30 15:28:32 which is great for devs, actually, but only if tmob approves.. Oct 30 15:28:50 ok gotta get coffee and snack. bbiab. Oct 30 15:28:50 Disconnect: yeah. In the context of someone asking if they can install ubuntu, I assume that the savviness is there. Oct 30 15:29:15 jbq: ubuntu mobile.. on an arm.. with about 140m of storage.. i'm not making that assumption. Oct 30 15:29:22 ubuntu mobile is aimed at netbooks and laptops. Oct 30 15:29:25 hey does anyone want to help a newb and a future htc employee to port an open source java guitar tuner? Oct 30 15:29:49 newbs at htc, whodathunkit Oct 30 15:30:39 Disconnect, thats wrong Oct 30 15:30:53 ubuntu mobile is for mobile devices like smart phones and internet tablets Oct 30 15:33:53 languish: heh Oct 30 15:35:09 * Disconnect thought that was ubuntu embedded Oct 30 15:35:18 d0nets: that sounds like a good app Oct 30 15:35:20 d0nets: I think people will be happy to answer questions if you ask them in specifics Oct 30 15:35:33 and I think I could really make use of it too Oct 30 15:35:41 well Oct 30 15:35:47 heres the links to the source and stuff Oct 30 15:35:57 yah from the wiki "The current focus is on mobile devices which tend to have a touch screen, generous amounts of flash storage and RAM, and wireless Internet connectivity. These are sometimes called "Internet tablets" or "mobile Internet devices" (MID)." ... g1 has a touchscreen but thats all. Oct 30 15:35:58 http://code.google.com/p/tunedroid Oct 30 15:36:00 oh and net connectivity Oct 30 15:36:03 and i know i might have to change my name Oct 30 15:36:08 from tunedroid Oct 30 15:36:43 either way :) no, there's no current way to flash a retail g1. (although... some people are sitting on engineering releases with the reflashable bootloader. perhaps once we break the retail g1 they could be enticed to give up a bootloader image..) Oct 30 15:36:52 but im total newb with java and deving in general Oct 30 15:37:19 i created a new project in the sdk and pasted the code lol, but i dont know what im doing Oct 30 15:37:31 theres red lines everywhere Oct 30 15:37:34 lol Oct 30 15:37:52 :( I'd love to see a guitar tuner, but I'm too busy on a different android project Oct 30 15:38:05 my buddy said it should only take him an hour Oct 30 15:38:11 i want a molecular structure viewer Oct 30 15:38:12 yeah, or two weeks ;) Oct 30 15:38:16 lol Oct 30 15:38:32 would be coooool to browse the protein databank and be able to pull up structrues for inspection Oct 30 15:38:44 man, how awesome would it be! Oct 30 15:38:54 EADGBE! Oct 30 15:38:56 i got a protein database Oct 30 15:38:59 * d0nets giggles Oct 30 15:39:06 i think you are being sarcastic Oct 30 15:39:10 wastrel: what would you do with them after you got them? Oct 30 15:39:22 http://www.rcsb.org/pdb/home/home.do Oct 30 15:39:32 impress your biologist friends Oct 30 15:39:56 you cant do much with out a proper rendering engine and you cant do much else other than render with a 500mhz ARM Oct 30 15:40:18 when are they gonna make online dev tools Oct 30 15:40:20 like google docs Oct 30 15:40:30 well thanks captain buzzkill Oct 30 15:41:02 d0nets: where'd the original code come from? Oct 30 15:41:13 the intarwebs Oct 30 15:41:19 i google open source java tuner Oct 30 15:41:26 more specifically? Oct 30 15:41:36 umm one sec Oct 30 15:41:39 its a french site Oct 30 15:42:00 is the DDMSeclipse plugin source available somewhere? Oct 30 15:42:02 there is some kind of online ide Oct 30 15:42:18 but you can take my eclipse from me, when you pry it from cold, dead hands Oct 30 15:42:19 :) Oct 30 15:42:49 We use eclipse for a lot of stuff, internal tools, java, C/C++, python, xml, javascript, etc Oct 30 15:44:40 http://www.openstudio.fr/guitartuner/TunerApplet.java Oct 30 15:44:44 sorry i couldnt find it Oct 30 15:44:49 no prob Oct 30 15:45:14 I found another on Freshmeat that looked interesting Oct 30 15:45:29 link? Oct 30 15:45:48 http://freshmeat.net/projects/tuner/ Oct 30 15:45:53 hello Oct 30 15:46:20 need help installing source on ubuntu, make fails Oct 30 15:46:24 I'll try building it after lunch Oct 30 15:46:34 try sudo make Oct 30 15:46:34 whoami_: did you check the known issues page? Oct 30 15:46:39 i have Oct 30 15:46:48 ..don't sudo :/ Oct 30 15:47:08 im newb Oct 30 15:47:10 dont listen Oct 30 15:47:14 * d0nets dl's 8.10 Oct 30 15:47:27 ive been waiting for it to install the sdk on my desktop Oct 30 15:47:34 ive been having to tinker on the laptop Oct 30 15:49:14 kslater that does look nice Oct 30 15:49:17 running make for giggles now, failed again with first error line: external/clearsilver/cgi/cgi.c:22:18: error: zlib.h: No such file or directory Oct 30 15:49:19 i will forward that to a friend Oct 30 15:49:26 whoami_: install libzlib-dev Oct 30 15:49:32 thank you Oct 30 15:49:47 maybe its zlib1g-dev Oct 30 15:49:53 either way.. the zlib dev package :) Oct 30 15:52:25 by the way, is the used window manager on android gnome? cause the panel looks like the gnome-panel Oct 30 15:52:41 nope Oct 30 15:53:22 d0nets: I have it built and running on my desktop. Time to investigate Android dev a bit. And time for lunch. Oct 30 15:55:28 nice yea im looking at it Oct 30 15:55:34 do me a favor and pm me when you get back Oct 30 15:55:41 want to join my project? Oct 30 15:55:45 Disconnect, you are a hero, zlib1g-dev makes make happy Oct 30 15:55:50 heh Oct 30 15:59:02 what is this zlib1g-dev Oct 30 15:59:04 that you speak of Oct 30 15:59:33 hmm Oct 30 16:00:08 vol, i had trouble making source on ubuntu, certain header file was missing, Disconnect suggested installing that library, and now i'm making out like a bandit Oct 30 16:00:13 my G1 has an active network connection with an ip that's not googles. And afaik, none of the apps I have in memory should be making this connection Oct 30 16:00:38 languish: tmob? Oct 30 16:00:40 whats the ip? Oct 30 16:00:52 ah Oct 30 16:00:53 216.206.188.47 Oct 30 16:01:02 oh thats my password logger Oct 30 16:01:07 it resolves to host06.oztmo.jsv.qwest.net Oct 30 16:01:19 ah Oct 30 16:01:22 maybe that is tmo Oct 30 16:01:24 duh Oct 30 16:01:45 i saw the mo as missouri Oct 30 16:01:52 * languish headslack Oct 30 16:02:07 slap too, but wow, slack seems to fit Oct 30 16:02:16 heh Oct 30 16:03:13 dman tmo should have all their ip's reverse to one of their domains, not a backhaul provider for them Oct 30 16:04:05 stealing.your.secretz.t-mobile.com Oct 30 16:04:22 national.security.nsa.t-mobile.com Oct 30 16:04:59 lol omg Oct 30 16:05:09 i got on zazzle's today's best again Oct 30 16:05:20 you mean bugdroid did Oct 30 16:05:22 :| Oct 30 16:05:23 ;) Oct 30 16:05:27 :P Oct 30 16:05:31 *moon* Oct 30 16:05:35 zazzle? Oct 30 16:05:43 http://www.zazzle.com/pd/awards Oct 30 16:06:01 o Oct 30 16:06:01 exit Oct 30 16:06:13 quitter :| Oct 30 16:06:15 hey i spent a long time re-rendering that image into publishing quality Oct 30 16:06:29 * jbq used to work in the same building as zazzle Oct 30 16:06:33 hah nice Oct 30 16:06:37 where are they located? Oct 30 16:06:39 nice people. Oct 30 16:06:52 They were in Redwood City at the time. Oct 30 16:06:55 DJTachyon: you should have a short sleeve shirt with the small logo on the chest with nothing on the back Oct 30 16:06:58 simple Oct 30 16:07:13 okay ill add one ..a cheap tee or a nice quality one? Oct 30 16:07:26 DISCONNECT Oct 30 16:07:37 hahaha Oct 30 16:07:46 DJTachyon: do a nice one. maybe polo shirt too. Oct 30 16:07:49 i'd say a nice one Oct 30 16:07:54 yea polo is a good ide Oct 30 16:07:56 a Oct 30 16:08:23 yeah .. though finding some of the other colors in those is hard Oct 30 16:08:24 zazzles pricey for what they sell, but they do better quality printing than places like cafepress Oct 30 16:08:44 the black hoodie they have should be $30, not $50 Oct 30 16:09:05 yeah ... but it is designer ;) Oct 30 16:09:06 but DJTachyon's design on it with bugdroid works for me Oct 30 16:09:11 shhh Oct 30 16:09:24 the polo is only white or grey Oct 30 16:09:47 I couldn't create an android project using the activityCreator: Oct 30 16:09:47 tools$ ./activitycreator -o myapp MyClass Oct 30 16:09:47 Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/android/activitycreator/ActivityCreator Oct 30 16:10:30 DJTachyon, did you make a ladies black bugdroid hoodie on zazzle? Oct 30 16:10:39 gustavold: package Oct 30 16:10:42 s/-o/--out/ Oct 30 16:11:04 hmm i dont think so .. lemme check Oct 30 16:11:04 gustavold: activityCreator -out myapp com.mydomain.myapp.MyClass Oct 30 16:11:38 they dont have womens hoodies in black Oct 30 16:11:39 i dont think Oct 30 16:11:42 hmm I like the raglan shirt too Oct 30 16:11:45 DJTachyon: no polo in black? Oct 30 16:12:01 nope =/ Oct 30 16:12:03 michaelnovakjr: same error Oct 30 16:12:24 hm Oct 30 16:12:31 did you download or build from source? Oct 30 16:12:40 download Oct 30 16:12:46 today Oct 30 16:12:49 why can't i blur my screen, isn't it just getWindow().setFlags(WindowManager.LayoutParams.FLAG_BLUR_BEHIND, WindowManager.LayoutParams.FLAG_BLUR_BEHIND); ? Oct 30 16:13:32 gustavold: win/linux/mac? and where is your android folder located? Oct 30 16:15:17 michaelnovakjr: linux, Oct 30 16:15:17 $pwd Oct 30 16:15:17 /home/pos/gustavold/Desktop/android/android-sdk-linux_x86-1.0_r1/tools Oct 30 16:15:17 $ echo $PATH Oct 30 16:15:17 /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/home/pos/gustavold/Desktop/android/android-sdk-linux_x86-1.0_r1/tools Oct 30 16:15:48 go into another directory and try t Oct 30 16:15:50 michaelnovakjr: myapp is an empty folder in tools Oct 30 16:16:00 you don't want your app in the tools directory Oct 30 16:16:10 put it in your home directory Oct 30 16:16:32 michaelnovakjr: I got it from: http://code.google.com/android/intro/develop-and-debug.html#otherides Oct 30 16:16:51 yawn Oct 30 16:17:12 heya jasta Oct 30 16:17:19 hello Oct 30 16:17:31 i started last night on my tidier patch to support IMAP IDLE Oct 30 16:17:33 make failed again on ubuntu, could not find -lncurses, what's missing? Oct 30 16:17:38 i have a much better design this time around :) Oct 30 16:17:46 whoami_: ncurses-dev Oct 30 16:17:50 you need the headers Oct 30 16:17:54 thank you Oct 30 16:17:55 you can get it from the package manager Oct 30 16:18:03 i'm gonna implement it in phases though. all told, a lot of stuff has to be reworked to get it ready to submit to google Oct 30 16:18:39 ncurses5-dev istr Oct 30 16:18:39 michaelnovakjr: ~/Desktop/android/hello$ activitycreator --out `pwd` pack.MyClass Oct 30 16:18:39 Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/android/activitycreator/ActivityCreator Oct 30 16:20:02 i've never seen that before Oct 30 16:20:23 * Disconnect would love a 5 minute screen timeout :( 2 mins is way too short, 10 mins is too long. 5 porridge is -just- right.. Oct 30 16:22:40 here is one black little android shirt: http://www.zazzle.com/little_android_edun_live_t_shirt-235541535394591064 Oct 30 16:22:57 nice Oct 30 16:23:13 ill make a grey polo and see how it looks Oct 30 16:23:25 michaelnovakjr: there is no activitycreator.jar in the lib folder Oct 30 16:24:11 there should be Oct 30 16:24:13 redownload it Oct 30 16:27:01 michaelnovakjr: I'm downloading from: http://dl.google.com/android/android-sdk-linux_x86-1.0_r1.zip Oct 30 16:27:01 do you know another url where I can download it (maybe an older version) Oct 30 16:27:19 that should be a good one Oct 30 16:28:06 Here is the polo: http://www.zazzle.com/android_polo_t_shirt-235030908941202417 Oct 30 16:28:20 how the heck do i quti an app? Oct 30 16:28:22 like imeem or aim? Oct 30 16:29:29 if it doesn't have a specific quit you can only hope. Oct 30 16:29:41 although.. if aim won't quit.. and aim messages are billed as sms's.. nice little racket there. Oct 30 16:29:50 im only wifi only Oct 30 16:29:51 ;) Oct 30 16:30:00 yah but still Oct 30 16:30:04 plus it has a preaid released sim card in it ;) Oct 30 16:30:07 they can charge it all they want Oct 30 16:30:25 i have to call back tomorrow Oct 30 16:30:28 to get it activated on my account Oct 30 16:30:33 i tried 5 sim cards Oct 30 16:30:36 only my old one worked Oct 30 16:30:38 so i released it Oct 30 16:30:42 and im acticating it tomorow Oct 30 16:31:15 huh? Oct 30 16:31:26 the one that came in it had a big dent Oct 30 16:31:32 i tried more at a tmobile store Oct 30 16:31:33 (and btw, enter is not IRC-talk for "i'm taking a breath" :) ..) Oct 30 16:31:36 all the same result Oct 30 16:31:54 Disconnect .. what do you think of the polo? Oct 30 16:32:21 the image is all zoomed in.. Oct 30 16:32:24 can't see the whole shirt Oct 30 16:32:32 oh nm foudn it Oct 30 16:32:44 does it come in darker grey? Oct 30 16:32:56 nope Oct 30 16:32:59 white or light grey Oct 30 16:33:10 you can try my other store Oct 30 16:33:11 it needs to be dark grey i think Oct 30 16:33:18 http://www.cafepress.com/DJTachyon Oct 30 16:33:25 see if any of those fit the bill ;) Oct 30 16:33:28 If an app runs as a service, and you open up 6+ more apps after it, does the service app get killed as with other apps? Oct 30 16:35:02 languish: http://www.zazzle.com/android_ladies_aa_hoody_long_sleeve_fitted_shirt-235577104002134626 Oct 30 16:35:16 no other colors Oct 30 16:35:18 besides white Oct 30 16:35:27 nod :) thanks Oct 30 16:35:41 DJTachyon: what about green hoodie with white droid? Oct 30 16:35:59 in mens or womens Oct 30 16:36:02 DJTachyon, oh geeze, that model Oct 30 16:36:02 womens Oct 30 16:36:05 in that hoodie Oct 30 16:36:07 nope Oct 30 16:36:08 languish: yah :( Oct 30 16:36:11 just light blue and white Oct 30 16:36:44 hello Oct 30 16:36:45 anyone? Oct 30 16:36:49 hullo Oct 30 16:36:51 because of her figure, I can't tell if the placement of the bugdroid is right on the front Oct 30 16:37:03 thats not a figure. its a disaster. Oct 30 16:37:04 hi Oct 30 16:37:14 i had a question about Bitmap alpha values... Oct 30 16:37:49 I store my PNG file into the Images content provider Oct 30 16:37:59 the file is semi-transparent (the background is transparent) Oct 30 16:38:18 when i pull it back out Oct 30 16:38:18 as a bitmap Oct 30 16:38:23 the transparent areas have become black Oct 30 16:38:31 and the bitmap hasAlpha is false. Oct 30 16:38:38 how do I restore the alpha values? Oct 30 16:40:08 hey, what is the music folder structure supposed to look like? Oct 30 16:40:08 xD Oct 30 16:40:13 kingkung: can you Oct 30 16:40:15 say more than one or two Oct 30 16:40:17 words per line? Oct 30 16:40:29 This one came out nice: http://www.zazzle.com/android_green_melange_ringer_t_shirt-235882773391283642 Oct 30 16:40:46 DJTachyon: nice Oct 30 16:41:16 :) Oct 30 16:41:19 kingkung: did you try extractAlpha() ? Oct 30 16:41:49 DJTachyon: i'd keep that one up there Oct 30 16:42:01 i'm not exactly how that works Oct 30 16:42:11 :) Oct 30 16:42:12 http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/graphics/Bitmap.html Oct 30 16:42:26 yes, i know the reference Oct 30 16:42:35 i know that it extracts the alpha values and puts it in a bitmap Oct 30 16:42:50 i'm not sure what that actually means Oct 30 16:43:14 trial and error :) Oct 30 16:43:18 what program do I used on linux to convert a video to a compatible format to play on my phone ? Oct 30 16:43:31 i have Oct 30 16:43:43 i don't think it makes sense with what i want to do Oct 30 16:43:53 It probably creates a monochrome bitmap where each pixel's intensity represents the corresponding pixel's alpha in the original bitmap Oct 30 16:43:57 If I had to guess Oct 30 16:44:11 yes, i agree Oct 30 16:44:23 yes Oct 30 16:44:23 but how does that help me save/restore the original bitmap image with alphas? Oct 30 16:44:38 osmosis: I don't know what type of video you're talking about but try out VLC media player Oct 30 16:44:46 somehow i have to tell the bitmap that doesn't have alphas to use those alpha values, right? Oct 30 16:45:01 I don't know Oct 30 16:45:10 smr: the video player is on android. Oct 30 16:45:31 but I don't know what the original video is Oct 30 16:52:16 michaelnovakjr: I downloaded the sdk again and now it works :-P Oct 30 16:52:16 I used the same url, I don't know what happened... anyway, thank you for helping Oct 30 16:52:33 no problem Oct 30 16:54:06 you guys kknow what we need? Oct 30 16:54:17 girls? Oct 30 16:54:26 on the top slide down blind Oct 30 16:54:30 where it says tmobile Oct 30 16:54:46 we need to replace that with information, like battery info, cpu and ram usage Oct 30 16:55:40 d0nets, that's come Oct 30 16:55:43 *that'll come Oct 30 16:55:44 I think girls is a higher priority;-) I have two myself, though, so I'd settle for a G1 Oct 30 16:55:56 yea i have one Oct 30 16:55:59 +1 on the g1 Oct 30 16:56:12 davidw, with 2 girls, you'll need something to keep them stimulated Oct 30 16:56:14 -.5 on batt life Oct 30 16:56:16 G1 should suffice Oct 30 16:56:26 is there a video RECORDING app yet? Oct 30 16:56:27 we gotta do something about batt life Oct 30 16:56:33 its in the works Oct 30 16:56:37 kool Oct 30 16:56:40 the apk didnt work for me Oct 30 16:56:41 batt life is horrible on 3g Oct 30 16:56:47 i have 3g Oct 30 16:56:49 i can only youtube 2-3 videos Oct 30 16:56:50 i mean Oct 30 16:56:51 battt life is horrible on wifi with GPS turned on Oct 30 16:56:56 i have 3g off and its still horrible Oct 30 16:57:18 batt life is horrible if you have apps like Locale running Oct 30 16:57:26 they drain your battery like crazy Oct 30 16:57:31 well we need to be able to close apps Oct 30 16:57:31 even with wifi and gps off Oct 30 16:57:36 There needs to be something like "powertop" on this bitch Oct 30 16:57:36 any word on that ? Oct 30 16:57:41 yea powertop ftw Oct 30 16:57:56 * RyeBrye thinks the G1 likes to be referred to as "this bitch" Oct 30 16:58:03 lol Oct 30 16:58:18 small and black, thats how i like my bitches Oct 30 16:58:22 :) Oct 30 16:58:23 jk guys Oct 30 16:58:24 so... any new developments on getting bootloader interaction? Oct 30 16:58:25 o_o Oct 30 16:59:40 DaMiEn667: does locale kill battery if you don't use it with gps features? i just want to change the sound settings by time Oct 30 16:59:52 basically i just want to disable all sounds but the actual ringtones after 9pm and until 7am Oct 30 16:59:56 yes, I noticed Locale ran down my battery drastically Oct 30 17:00:10 DaMiEn667, my guess is there is either an internal connection, or something needs to be switched to debug mode Oct 30 17:00:22 connectbot with bitchx runs mine down quite a bit Oct 30 17:00:24 and it gets really hot Oct 30 17:00:30 just with edge Oct 30 17:00:38 when you're using the network, the chip will heat up Oct 30 17:00:49 probably something needs to switched... flip a bit on the boot partition on the mtd Oct 30 17:00:51 it drains a lot of battery to transmit data over lare distances Oct 30 17:01:24 any word on a google blogger app? Oct 30 17:01:26 well i am def not an iphone fanboi, but it had incredible batt life Oct 30 17:01:57 argh .. too bad Zazzle doesnt have a decent banner for my website Oct 30 17:02:00 if htc would release the touch hd and touch hd pro with android Oct 30 17:02:06 it would be game over Oct 30 17:02:08 d0nets, when the iphone 3g first came out, it was worse than the g1... give it time, it's a software issue Oct 30 17:02:21 ok thats what i like to hear ieatlint Oct 30 17:02:26 i have faith Oct 30 17:02:44 i think of phones like these like gaming consoles Oct 30 17:02:47 d0nets, the touch pro is missing some of the G1's functionality. It doesn't have a capacitive screen, and it doesn't have the compass Oct 30 17:02:52 when they first come out, there's a few stellar showcase features Oct 30 17:02:59 oh, lame Oct 30 17:03:00 though, I like the touch pro's keyboard better Oct 30 17:03:01 but it isn't until about a year into it that people figure out what they can start to do Oct 30 17:03:14 does the touch hd have those features? Oct 30 17:03:18 and then about 2-3 years in, they have figured out all the ins and outs and start releasing stuff that fully uses the capabilities Oct 30 17:03:19 no Oct 30 17:03:30 any word on 2nd gen? Oct 30 17:03:31 To be fair, any discussion about iPhone battery life needs to include an explanation for what happens after two years when the cells die. I'll take a small replaceable unit over a sealed box, even if I'd have hoped for longer life in the G1. Oct 30 17:03:33 heeeeheeeeeee Oct 30 17:03:37 languish, resistive touchscreens aren't too bad, and the compass has yet to serve a very useful purpose from what i've seen Oct 30 17:04:10 i see the compass as cool, but ... well, not 100% useful Oct 30 17:04:12 ieatlint: Depends on application. I have a hiking GPS with a magnetic compass, and it's absolutely invaluable. Oct 30 17:04:14 lol yea ive watched a video androoid Oct 30 17:04:17 ieatlint, the compass is very useful when you're navigating city streets with ,apping Oct 30 17:04:18 it looked intense Oct 30 17:04:19 *mapping Oct 30 17:04:25 o_O link??????? Oct 30 17:04:27 andyross: you walk around with a spare battery? Oct 30 17:04:33 andyross, very true, but do you want to walk around hiking with your g1 out? Oct 30 17:04:41 i have a durable hiking gps for that... Oct 30 17:04:48 Does the G1 really have a magnetic compass in it? Oct 30 17:04:56 the compass seems to be a complete piece of shit in mine Oct 30 17:05:02 No, a Garmin unit with replacable AA cells. But the point being that a pure location isn't that helpful if you don't know which way is which. Oct 30 17:05:12 RyeBrye: you need to calibrate it Oct 30 17:05:17 How do you calibrate it? Oct 30 17:05:21 RyeBrye, it's possible your compass is borked. Mine works very well Oct 30 17:05:31 andyross, agreed... and i was happy to download the compass app that showed up on the wiki Oct 30 17:05:37 but i still see it as more novelty and necessity Oct 30 17:05:37 Mine randomly just spins in wild directions if I move it slightly Oct 30 17:05:46 mine doesn't even spin Oct 30 17:05:55 you have to hold the phone upright Oct 30 17:05:55 I walk directly "due north" on the compass - then turn around and walk in the opposite direction - and now I'm suddenly walking SSW instead of directly south Oct 30 17:05:56 i like having it, but it's not something that would turn me away from a phone for not having it Oct 30 17:06:05 RyeBrye: it might need calibration Oct 30 17:06:18 done by moving the device in all directions for a while Oct 30 17:06:33 ieatlint, again.. if you're navigating a strange city even with mapping software, the compass makes a HUGE difference, which you'll learn as certain apps come out that take advantage of it Oct 30 17:06:38 romainguy - just wave it around like a wild man? Oct 30 17:06:40 I hear making a figure eight in the device helps Oct 30 17:06:45 fwiw battery life out of the box is a disaster because of the poor factory battery calibration. (usually li-ion devices have a "passable" factory calibration built in.. this thing is a disaster) so it stops charging too soon and/or shuts down too early. Oct 30 17:06:46 in the air* Oct 30 17:06:48 languish, hopefully :) Oct 30 17:06:48 ieatlint: it's a phone.... how much of it is "necessity" at all? Some people care more about navigation than browsing, others the reverse. You pick the hardware feature by what you think the market wants. The fact that *you* don't want it isn't that informative. Oct 30 17:06:56 ieatlint, I'm sure. Oct 30 17:06:57 :) Oct 30 17:07:01 100% Oct 30 17:07:30 I actually WOULD really like to rely on the compass in this Oct 30 17:07:33 andyross, i'm not saying i don't want it, and i'm not even going to pretend i'm even slightly representative of the market as a whole Oct 30 17:07:42 I have an antenna in my attic I need to aim properly Oct 30 17:07:44 hi guys, when i hold home button longer on my g1 i get tasks running. what i actually have to do to close running program? Oct 30 17:07:57 rzajac: you can't Oct 30 17:07:59 rzajac: reboot Oct 30 17:08:01 you don't have to Oct 30 17:08:09 i'm simply pointing out that it's not something that is generally viewed as mission critical -- other phones don't have it, and it's not even being advertised as a major feature of the g1 Oct 30 17:08:10 rzajac: The architecture is that you can't. The system will kill them for you as needed. Oct 30 17:08:17 cbeust: depends on the app. since aim is billed as sms's........ Oct 30 17:08:35 Google talk isn't billed as SMS is it? Oct 30 17:08:39 No Oct 30 17:08:39 not afaik Oct 30 17:08:41 Not sure what the user is supposed to do with an app that starts busy-looping in the background, though. Powercycle I guess. Oct 30 17:08:43 * RyeBrye starts to wonder if the 400 message plan would be enough :) Oct 30 17:08:43 rzajac: these are not the running tasks, they are the recently launched tasks Oct 30 17:08:47 ok thanks all i thought i'm missing something :P Oct 30 17:08:55 andyross: thats what i've had to do Oct 30 17:08:58 ieatlint, when the apps that take advantage of it come out, frequent travellers will come to consider it as necessary as most consider txting Oct 30 17:09:05 rzajac: there is a tasks app out there that shows running tasks Oct 30 17:09:23 RyeBrye: having discovered the built-in Jabber client, I may never send an SMS again. Oct 30 17:09:28 (and random side note 3g 3g 3g 3g!) Oct 30 17:09:34 Disconnect, but as far as i know you cant kill app with it Oct 30 17:09:38 rzajac: ope Oct 30 17:09:39 nope Oct 30 17:09:54 So the compass works best whe the phone is held vertically? Oct 30 17:09:55 Applications are firewalled into their own uids, so they can't kill each other. Oct 30 17:10:03 i wonder if GPS could extrapolate direction based on movement. Oct 30 17:10:05 andyross: jabber? thought just gtalk.. Oct 30 17:10:22 unix_lappy: the problem is it doesn't know where its facing Oct 30 17:10:23 * RyeBrye will have to fight against all his previous compass experience and resist the temptation to hold it perfectly flat Oct 30 17:10:25 RyeBrye: no. Once calibrated, it should work well everywhere Oct 30 17:10:28 cbeust: http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/0,39029453,49299636,00.htm :) Oct 30 17:10:28 Ok, good Oct 30 17:10:33 unix_lappy, it can, but it can be inaccurate over short distances Oct 30 17:10:34 Sorry, google talk. Not sure if it's doing jabber or something proprietary. I use a jabber client with it normally. Oct 30 17:11:00 unix_lappy, especially if there's any drift... which there likely will be Oct 30 17:11:02 how does one calibrate the compass? Oct 30 17:11:05 yah gtalk != jabber, not quite. and certainly a gtalk client isn't a jabber client, if it was i wouldn't need im+ :) Oct 30 17:11:08 ieatlint: obviously, i'd be curious to know what sort of variables would be required to build an app like that. Oct 30 17:11:19 kslater: the macarana seems to be a good set of calibration moves Oct 30 17:11:22 unix_lappy: Yes, motion filtering will get you direction. But that's a huge pain in the ass if you're standing somewhere. Try geocaching sometime, with and without a compass. It makes a huge difference. Oct 30 17:11:34 unix_lappy, the geographical coords from the gps can do it Oct 30 17:11:48 there's a math formula to take two sets of geographical coordinates and calculate its heading Oct 30 17:12:06 Where "math formula" == "subtraction" :) Oct 30 17:12:35 where subtraction yields slope :-P Oct 30 17:12:51 heh Oct 30 17:13:20 anyway, the problem is that you need to move to get the direction, and because the gps has at best a 3m range, you may need to move a bit to get an accurate reading Oct 30 17:14:31 hey you know what would be cool, if we could get tethering working, and also tether the gps to a laptop, for road trips Oct 30 17:14:36 meh, walking 25-50 meters to get a reasonable heading without a compass and just a phone is something i'd settle for. Oct 30 17:15:00 for a full pc gps app, and to be able to use edge on the laptop Oct 30 17:15:02 d0nets, you can do the gps with a little bit of scripting and the debug bridge methinks Oct 30 17:15:37 Pretty sure the receiver is A-GPS only, right? So if you're not in a configured cell (e.g. road trips) it Oct 30 17:15:44 ... isn't likely to be reliable Oct 30 17:15:57 you can do a half-assed tethering job by compiing a tiny proxy to run on the phone, and then use the adb's to port forward to it Oct 30 17:16:06 Isn't the A just to assist in getting the almanac, but it can still use satellites to get a fix if it has no assist? Oct 30 17:16:10 (which would break the TOS with tmobile, i'm quite sure) Oct 30 17:16:21 RyeBrye, yes Oct 30 17:16:39 so it should work just fine - but slower on trips Oct 30 17:16:59 well, it has warm gps starting too Oct 30 17:17:31 so if you go to a place where it can't use the cell towers for agps, then it will take a while to get a first fix Oct 30 17:17:32 What I'm wondering though is how long until I can use a bluetooth GPS device with it - although I'm not sure which would suck more battery (blueooth or GPS) Oct 30 17:17:37 Dunno, I'm no expert. But my understanding was that A-GPS also feeds time calibration info, so you don't need as consistent a signal from each satellite. Serious GPS antennas are much larger than what's in the G1... Oct 30 17:17:56 once you have it, and turn it off, the next time you turn it on it'll assume you're in the same spot Oct 30 17:18:34 ...assuming you're not too far from that spot, your time to get a fix will not be all too bad Oct 30 17:18:52 (and by not too far, i mean a few miles...) Oct 30 17:19:34 We need a geocaching application, stat :) Oct 30 17:19:44 i think there are some on the market Oct 30 17:19:52 wouldnt do much good for anyone really. Oct 30 17:20:01 I didn't see any last night, were more put up? Oct 30 17:20:03 most people who have G1's live in urban areas with 3G. Oct 30 17:20:12 i may be wrong.. dunno Oct 30 17:20:34 * andyross is pretty sure that most people who *don't* have G1's live in urban areas, too. :) Oct 30 17:20:55 This guy posted some screen shots and then dropped off the face of the earth Oct 30 17:20:55 http://androidforums.com/showthread.php?t=91 Oct 30 17:20:57 yay for urban areas Oct 30 17:21:13 andyross: you have an iPhone as well no? Oct 30 17:21:39 maybe because he went to east palo alto Oct 30 17:21:41 No, I've only played with friends'. Oct 30 17:21:59 :) Oct 30 17:22:06 what was your previous smartphone? Oct 30 17:22:17 "The compas sensor doesn't work in landscape mode." Oct 30 17:22:20 ? Oct 30 17:22:51 Note that that caching app is really easy to do. It's just a custom browser for the existing pocketquery format, which is an XML thing. Oct 30 17:23:12 TRue Oct 30 17:23:42 The "College Football Live" app seems to lose preference changes between reboots Oct 30 17:23:52 My older phone was a 3.5 year old Motorola A780 -- a failed branch of their linux/Qt architecture that ultimately ended up in the RAZR2. Oct 30 17:24:01 the pro football one screwed me all up last week - game times were 3 hours off :( Oct 30 17:24:15 I guess they really want me to see LSU information? Oct 30 17:24:34 Disconnect, time zone issue? Oct 30 17:24:34 ah. Oct 30 17:25:42 I read over the FAQ of the myFaves plan, and it only says "numbers" - not "people" for the 5 things you dial - so I think using iSkoot for Skype's outbound number as one of your fave would work fine to use your skype out for cheap outbound calls Oct 30 17:26:16 ieatlint: prolly. but i'm eastern and it listed 1pm games as 4pm. so... annoying. Oct 30 17:26:30 RyeBrye: ooh evil. prolly they'll drop that eventually Oct 30 17:26:37 RyeBrye: I'd have to believe that's exactly the sort of thing that is hedged against deep in your contract documents. :) Oct 30 17:26:46 probably Oct 30 17:26:50 I'll send a copy to my lawyers Oct 30 17:26:55 well it looks like my dreams for a better device are over. motorola / verizon wont happen till same time next year, sprint hasnt even started working on a phone. Oct 30 17:26:55 ... oh wait Oct 30 17:26:57 they already have it banned Oct 30 17:27:04 oh, they do? Oct 30 17:27:08 lame Oct 30 17:27:12 the myfaves thing says it can't be a forwarding service Oct 30 17:27:24 like a calling card number, either, for instance Oct 30 17:27:55 i think they even reserve the right to bill you for the minutes you use on it if they catch you abusing it Oct 30 17:28:30 gotcha Oct 30 17:29:08 funny though, i just vaguely assumed iskoot used sip... it dials out a number? Oct 30 17:29:11 So that means T-Mobile must be partnering with HTC to put out another device that's similar internally but better overall than the Dream / G1. Oct 30 17:29:34 Yeah, it dials out a number Oct 30 17:29:42 AHHH Oct 30 17:29:45 I live in a sex offender area! Oct 30 17:29:48 that explains why tmobile didn't freak Oct 30 17:29:48 thanks iSafe Oct 30 17:29:58 everyone lives in a sex offender area Oct 30 17:29:58 lol Oct 30 17:30:13 iSafe reports that? kidding me? Oct 30 17:31:05 they haven't billed anyone forwarding to a grandcentral number Oct 30 17:31:08 lol Oct 30 17:31:20 but those are standard phone #'s Oct 30 17:31:37 you could validate that tomorrow... they are supposed to put stickers on their doorsteps on halloween i've heard Oct 30 17:31:39 not a single service number Oct 30 17:31:57 oh, except me... hah, there are no sex offenders in my neighbourhood in san francisco Oct 30 17:32:03 Grand Central is going to cost eventually isn't it? Oct 30 17:32:12 in some way Oct 30 17:32:19 be nice to know what googles doing with it Oct 30 17:32:20 someone make a grand central app Oct 30 17:32:30 it will just take a part of your soul each time you use GrandCentral Oct 30 17:32:34 :) Oct 30 17:32:45 kRutOn, I guess I can't pay then Oct 30 17:32:47 kRutOn, what if you've no soul left? Oct 30 17:32:53 can i offer my gf's soul? Oct 30 17:33:05 no, but they might accept your g/f Oct 30 17:33:07 :| Oct 30 17:33:16 haha Oct 30 17:33:20 GrandCentral: tits or gtfo Oct 30 17:33:32 I signed up for it, but the thought that I would tell everyone to dial that number instead of my cell directly - only to have that number start to cost an undetermined amount in the future seems like a pain to me Oct 30 17:33:35 Grandcentral: tits or DTMF Oct 30 17:33:38 sounds like a slogan Oct 30 17:34:08 languish: shouldn't that be "tits then DTMF" Oct 30 17:34:20 dtmf? Oct 30 17:34:24 does anyone know how to get your apps market UID? Oct 30 17:34:26 as in, dtmf tones? Oct 30 17:34:33 RyeBrye, more likely, as google owns grandcentral, your callers will have to listen to short audio ads Oct 30 17:34:38 ieatlint yes Oct 30 17:34:45 as in, dialing with a number pad Oct 30 17:35:05 languish: RyeBrye, more likely, as google owns grandcentral, your callers will have to listen to short audio ads << just like Android was supposed to be full of ads everywhere right? Oct 30 17:35:05 I had friends develop an ad supported free calling service, but after they built all the software they just kind of let it die Oct 30 17:35:06 i only wish dtmf had more to do with tits... Oct 30 17:35:33 romainguy, have you looked in the market lately? it's getting there :| Oct 30 17:35:33 rootfl @ dtmf Oct 30 17:35:37 they're just not google ads Oct 30 17:35:38 romainguy_ they don't need to put ads on android... they use the location of where I am and my browsing history to send targeted singing telegrams to me Oct 30 17:35:48 if only tmobile accepted red box tones lol Oct 30 17:35:55 romainguy, so people will call me and start getting penis enlargement offers? Oct 30 17:36:19 >> /dev/null Oct 30 17:36:45 wait until you're just standing there and you get hit with packets from googles RFC1149 network Oct 30 17:37:03 is that the pidgen rfc? Oct 30 17:37:06 yes Oct 30 17:37:14 hehe Oct 30 17:37:19 Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams on avian carriers Oct 30 17:37:26 LOL Oct 30 17:37:39 iSafe just spoke to me and told me I was in a sex offender neighborhood, and I shoudl be careful Oct 30 17:37:41 yeah, and that norweigan group that implemented rfc1149 back in like 2003 Oct 30 17:37:48 I haven't moved since I opened it, but it's nice to know Oct 30 17:37:48 http://www.intomobile.com/2008/10/23/iphone-3g-vs-t-mobile-g1-3g-speed-test.html btw in case anyone missed it earlier :) Oct 30 17:38:06 does anyone know how to get your apps market UID? <- someone answer this guy? Oct 30 17:38:12 although I wish the app would link to map view instead of street view - because it just gives me a black screen when I try to see where the perv lives Oct 30 17:38:30 not yet Oct 30 17:38:34 i need an answer tho lol Oct 30 17:38:47 RyeBrye: i love that stuff. you can get on the registered list by getting caught peeing behind a bar.. Oct 30 17:39:02 ooh does radar support multiple locations in its launching intent Oct 30 17:39:09 depends on the state, but you're right - some people are on the list for frivolous things Oct 30 17:39:22 radar should be expanded to allow custom icons and text for the different bogies Oct 30 17:39:31 mpardo, yeah, that's why I pointed it out. :) Oct 30 17:39:47 languish: thanks Oct 30 17:39:47 mpardo, did you publish an app in the market? Oct 30 17:40:01 well yes, kind of Oct 30 17:40:06 mpardo, do you know what google address you used to sign in with? Oct 30 17:40:06 i wrote an app that a company bought Oct 30 17:40:12 ah Oct 30 17:40:16 im working with them Oct 30 17:40:27 they published it and they can't figure out the uid either Oct 30 17:40:42 mpardo, do they know what gmail address they used? Oct 30 17:40:46 mpardo - is it one of the flash light apps? Oct 30 17:40:47 ;) Oct 30 17:40:52 lol no Oct 30 17:40:57 languish, i can ask Oct 30 17:41:13 mpardo, the gamil addy would be the first step, get the login info for it Oct 30 17:41:16 *gmail Oct 30 17:41:34 then go log in to the market, it might be there Oct 30 17:41:39 and then? I don't think they'll just give me that... they have a pretty tight process over there Oct 30 17:41:44 hmmm Oct 30 17:41:48 though I'm just guessing, it seems like the place. Oct 30 17:41:49 they showed me a url Oct 30 17:42:03 it was like market.android.com/blah#edit65491871654 Oct 30 17:42:08 er something Oct 30 17:42:29 well have THEM log in, and you stand over their shoulder. They likely received it in email on that addy, or can view it when they login with that addy to the market Oct 30 17:42:32 website Oct 30 17:42:38 hmm Oct 30 17:42:42 that's my guess Oct 30 17:42:48 its my understanding that onResume will fire after onCreate in all cases, right? Oct 30 17:42:52 yea, I'll bug them about it Oct 30 17:43:09 i can't really look over their shoulder though their on the other side of the US Oct 30 17:43:11 mpardo, hang around anyway for one of the gdevs that may know for sure Oct 30 17:43:17 yea Oct 30 17:43:21 mpardo, remote desktop :) Oct 30 17:43:25 who's a google dev in here? Oct 30 17:43:48 a few people. repost your question in a little while if you don't get your anser Oct 30 17:43:50 *answer Oct 30 17:44:24 mpardo: screencasting Oct 30 17:44:31 jasta: not according to the application lifecycle diagram that I can see. Oct 30 17:44:32 you can at least peer over their mouse pointer Oct 30 17:45:17 or pee in their soup, freeze it and ship it to them via refridgerated cargo, every day, until they give you the login Oct 30 17:45:31 and charge them for the shipping, and the soup. Oct 30 17:45:46 ruin their credit if they don't pay. :| Oct 30 17:46:23 btw, that's not a suggestion Oct 30 17:46:25 lol Oct 30 17:47:15 it seems like it would be something that google would provide... i mean its part of the publishing process! Oct 30 17:47:39 liekly so, it seems you just don't have the credentials to access it Oct 30 17:47:52 lol i was going to say that Oct 30 17:47:57 that would help Oct 30 17:48:01 :) Oct 30 17:48:34 why do you need your market app UID? Oct 30 17:48:49 for updates Oct 30 17:48:55 we need to push an update Oct 30 17:49:14 and direct the user to the market place Oct 30 17:49:31 mpardo, the marketplace is not on the web, at all Oct 30 17:49:36 i know Oct 30 17:49:44 'k Oct 30 17:49:51 mpardo: ah I see :) Oct 30 17:49:54 market://details?id=UID Oct 30 17:49:58 via an Intent Oct 30 17:50:08 isn't the UID what appears in the URL on the website? Oct 30 17:50:19 Hows the party coming? Oct 30 17:50:30 not sure... maybe i should give that a try Oct 30 17:50:57 jasta: what are you trying to do? Oct 30 17:54:41 unix_lappy: im not, im just noticing what appears to be a smal bug in the Email app Oct 30 17:54:50 it adds a remote listener in both onCreate and onResume Oct 30 17:55:15 i guess it wont matter in practice since he's using a HashSet, but stil ;) Oct 30 17:55:30 I seem to remember we had to do this Oct 30 17:55:36 because onResume wasn't always called Oct 30 17:55:43 but I can't swear on it Oct 30 17:56:12 well teh life cycle docs make it pretty clear that it is Oct 30 17:56:18 and i seem to remember that in practice as well Oct 30 17:57:56 jasta: Reference? Oct 30 17:58:16 hmm? Oct 30 17:58:28 that onCreate() is called after onResume() Oct 30 17:58:48 just look at Activity's documentation. there's a flow chart that shows it Oct 30 17:59:01 but i didnt say it was called after, i said the other way around :) Oct 30 17:59:40 Any estimates on how long before I can pair a bluetooth keyboard with the phone? Oct 30 18:00:20 RyeBrye: production g1? Oct 30 18:00:24 Yeah Oct 30 18:00:25 prolly months to years. Oct 30 18:00:25 jasta: ahh yea, that's correct. Oct 30 18:00:25 http://vis.berkeley.edu/courses/cs160-sp08/wiki/images/8/8e/Activity_lifecycle.png Oct 30 18:00:43 cuz even if you get patches accepted today, tmob has to want it bad enough to produce/test/distribute an image Oct 30 18:00:44 i think the UID is the number the url Oct 30 18:00:45 i thought you asked of onCreate is always after onResume() which made zero sense. Oct 30 18:00:57 mpardo: :)) Oct 30 18:01:17 (even if distribute is just the sd reflash and not OTA) Oct 30 18:01:19 yeah, I know... Google needs to leak info on that process so they can get free kernel hackers Oct 30 18:01:25 i'll let you know if it works Oct 30 18:01:37 google will likely never get another carrier contract again if they do that. Oct 30 18:02:02 Let me rephrase that Oct 30 18:02:09 The information to hack these things needs to somehow be discovered. Oct 30 18:02:35 is it possible to increase the size of the flash memory in the emulator to make it easy to test multiple apps without the constriction of a live environments storage restrictions? Oct 30 18:02:53 if i still worked @ an embedded company i'd slice and dice an 11pin cable and hit it with the logic analyzer, see if that "serial 0" couldn't be exploited somehow Oct 30 18:03:16 I do have a friend who works at an embedded company, come to think of it Oct 30 18:03:26 I'll email him and see if he has any logic analyzer or any hardware that would help Oct 30 18:03:41 he's close by and he's an embedded linux developer... Oct 30 18:03:49 so see if he can find rs232 or tty pins active Oct 30 18:04:14 michaelnovakjr: hows the party? Oct 30 18:04:19 :) Oct 30 18:04:37 going good? Oct 30 18:04:42 you get it all updated and everything? Oct 30 18:05:14 the actual update is taking forever Oct 30 18:05:42 Its still going? Oct 30 18:05:42 * Disconnect is 'cleaning up' about to reboot Oct 30 18:06:02 Disconnect: didn't you start like 3.5 hours ago too? Oct 30 18:06:08 prolly Oct 30 18:06:14 1500 packages to download Oct 30 18:06:18 thats crazy though. Oct 30 18:06:19 well Oct 30 18:06:24 it didn't do too bad, about 250k most of the time Oct 30 18:06:25 i guess a bunch of people are hammering it. Oct 30 18:06:48 they should come up with a way to update from the cd. Oct 30 18:07:09 i thought they had one. Oct 30 18:07:20 dougie: there is a way. Oct 30 18:07:32 simply add the cd as a source to your source.list Oct 30 18:07:49 ohh Oct 30 18:08:04 but selecting a good mirror works best most of the time Oct 30 18:08:17 well, what if you already have the cd? Oct 30 18:08:23 wouldn't the cd be faster then a mirror? Oct 30 18:08:26 esp today? Oct 30 18:08:28 sure. Oct 30 18:08:40 but why did you download the cd when you like to update? Oct 30 18:08:46 i don't like to update. Oct 30 18:08:50 but im just saying Oct 30 18:09:00 ive had the cd since 11:30. Oct 30 18:09:19 they have been updating since 11:30 Oct 30 18:09:19 lol Oct 30 18:12:10 tric: did you update? Oct 30 18:14:04 anyone here running a netbook with eclipse + emulator? Oct 30 18:14:58 (asus eee, msi wind, dell mini 9, acer aspire, etc) Oct 30 18:16:40 languish, romainguy__: the UID is the number in the url romainguy__ was correct Oct 30 18:17:36 mpardo :) Oct 30 18:17:46 tested succesfully Oct 30 18:17:51 which app? Oct 30 18:17:55 Anyone know how to include the SVN revision in the AndroidManifest.xml or somewhere it can be accessed? Oct 30 18:18:40 unix_lappy: i was told that if i valued my jewels i would not install the sdk on the wif's new wind. so.. no. Oct 30 18:19:05 but lemme know how it works out, i'm pondering a wind of my own for use on metro and stuff (the various places that a 17" mbp is way too huge to deal with) Oct 30 18:19:27 17" MBP is borderline portable desktop. Oct 30 18:19:43 not borderline, thats exactly what its for :) Oct 30 18:19:56 * Disconnect was at a virtual company at the time. Oct 30 18:20:00 very high premium. Oct 30 18:20:15 whatever floats your mac lust, *shrug* Oct 30 18:20:24 a virtual company that was lucky enough to be a prized apple reseller (they were hoping we'd sell supercomputer clusters to .gov) so we got wicked discounts on hardware Oct 30 18:22:14 well i'd be putting os x on it. hopefully this thing wont fall far below 400. Oct 30 18:22:14 http://is.gd/5fvn Oct 30 18:24:30 i like the wind for it's keyboard - goes 100% to the edge of the thing. Oct 30 18:24:47 actually looks like that one does too. cool. the older eee's don't.. Oct 30 18:25:04 kRutOn: just make a comment and put $Id$ in it Oct 30 18:25:30 kRutOn: and set the svn:keywords prop to Id if not already Oct 30 18:26:38 Disconnect: URL to the wind / price? Oct 30 18:27:00 bestbuy.com Oct 30 18:27:11 surprisingly decent retail pricing, who'd have thought. Oct 30 18:27:17 u100 model, amazon etc has it also Oct 30 18:27:26 (3 cell battery, 120g drive) Oct 30 18:28:30 is there a way in code to check if the phone is on 2g? Oct 30 18:28:47 390 for the U100 after rebates on amazon. Oct 30 18:29:24 or just MOBILE & WIFI Oct 30 18:29:25 lol. opera mini on 3g. Oct 30 18:34:07 hey disconnect Oct 30 18:34:33 Disconnect: i'm guessing you paid around 400 for your u100 too? Oct 30 18:35:06 yah Oct 30 18:35:21 there is black polos on my cafe press site Oct 30 18:35:33 cool Oct 30 18:35:39 no time right now tho :) Oct 30 18:35:47 http://www.cafepress.com/djtachyon.299894766 Oct 30 18:35:48 :P Oct 30 18:37:10 thats nice Oct 30 18:37:21 HP MiniNote $299 now, http://www.amazon.com/2133-KR922UT-8-9-Inch-Mini-Note-Processor-Flash/dp/B00170KD0Y/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1225391817&sr=8-3 Oct 30 18:37:25 although i really am serious about looking for dark grey :) Oct 30 18:37:43 4g drive :( Oct 30 18:38:14 Disconnect: you can make a ssd with sd cards. lol i don't know how well it works though. Oct 30 18:38:38 but they have adapters that hold up to 6 sdhc cards Oct 30 18:38:52 yah but yuck Oct 30 18:38:56 so thats like 192gigs Oct 30 18:38:56 lol Oct 30 18:39:05 Or you can use CF cards - I think they're essentially a PATA bus + an ISA bus (might be wrong). Oct 30 18:39:09 * Disconnect doesn't mind spinning disks Oct 30 18:39:14 but also, the adapters cost like 99 bucks, and the sd cards are not very cheap either. Oct 30 18:39:40 they should make an adapter that holds like 50 micro sd cards. Oct 30 18:39:42 jbq: pcmcia is just an isa bus and yah i think pcmcia hdd and cf is just stripped-down pata Oct 30 18:39:43 that would be sweet. Oct 30 18:39:57 usb hubs and card readers.. Oct 30 18:40:14 nothing beats the density of 64g sdhc Oct 30 18:40:22 Here is the adapter. this is kinda old though. http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/11/diy-ssd-adapter-takes-6-sdhc-cards-the-cake/ Oct 30 18:40:25 and my desktop broke on upgrade btw Oct 30 18:40:38 thats sad. Oct 30 18:40:39 what happened? Oct 30 18:41:03 x probs, dunno Oct 30 18:41:08 eburnette: i'd rather pay the extra 100 bucks and get an atom. Oct 30 18:41:12 thats why i'm kinda busy :) gotta fix it Oct 30 18:43:46 the 2133 runs most of the case at 105-110F Oct 30 18:44:04 seems like you could do better for $300 (atom) Oct 30 18:44:16 or much better for $400 (atom + bigger screen and double the ram) Oct 30 18:44:21 What should I set the width to in the XML layout when I want three buttons to fill the screen? Oct 30 18:44:45 dvyjones: in a row? Oct 30 18:44:47 with equal widgets? Oct 30 18:44:49 er Oct 30 18:44:51 equal widths Oct 30 18:45:46 anyone ever get a definitiive list of g1 3g freqs? is it tmob-only or will the uk ver have international? Oct 30 18:46:04 Actually, the two first should fill 50% of the width, and the third the last 50 % Oct 30 18:46:06 it includes UMTS2100 Oct 30 18:46:22 dvyjones: give them all a width of 0dip Oct 30 18:46:22 Disconnect: quad-band 2G + 1700 and 2100 3G. Oct 30 18:46:28 does someone have the url for the k9 code Oct 30 18:46:36 dvyjones: then give the first two a layout_weight of 0.25 Oct 30 18:46:42 and the last one a layout_weight of 0.5 Oct 30 18:46:51 then put them all in a horizontal LinearLayout whose width is set to fill_parent Oct 30 18:47:33 is there no easy way to do a pause or delay? ie: sleep(1000); Oct 30 18:47:46 depends Oct 30 18:47:52 on a background thread, thread.sleep is what you want Oct 30 18:48:00 on the UI thread, just use a Handler and post a delayed message Oct 30 18:48:09 (or use View.postDelayed(Runnable) directly) Oct 30 18:48:27 background Oct 30 18:48:28 k thx Oct 30 18:48:42 w/ try catch around it? Oct 30 18:48:54 yes Oct 30 18:49:48 so i just figured out how to fix the "bug" with folder syncing with imap mail Oct 30 18:49:55 you have to hit "refresh" from the account list page Oct 30 18:50:01 romainguy__: layout_weight or layout_width? Oct 30 18:50:07 then it actually goes and looks at all the folders again Oct 30 18:50:31 dvyjones: for what? Oct 30 18:51:41 romainguy__: The 0.25 and 0.5 (See my question above / your answer (14:46)) Oct 30 18:52:07 well I said it was for the weight :) Oct 30 18:53:27 interesting, that zombie game, virtual reality type thing Oct 30 18:54:07 zombie game? Oct 30 18:54:26 zombie run! Oct 30 18:54:33 i haven't tried it yet, but it was downloaded Oct 30 19:01:11 zombie run? sounds fun Oct 30 19:01:20 out of space tho :( Oct 30 19:02:35 ok wtf is an "extra location provider command"? (esp considering the constant barrage of "we need security options the users understand" i get when i question the almighty security policy..) Oct 30 19:07:07 Disconnect: did you get your desktop fixed? Oct 30 19:08:41 kinda. now its cloning the monitors instead of desktopping them Oct 30 19:09:09 Did you read through the release note's known issues? Oct 30 19:11:26 i'm on an x700 not r300 Oct 30 19:13:11 oh ok Oct 30 19:13:54 Heh there are 30 megs of updates available for it already too Oct 30 19:14:18 a new kernel. Oct 30 19:16:01 can anyone get onto Market? Oct 30 19:16:14 I get "a server error has occured" Oct 30 19:16:19 Is Jython running on Android now? - Any change there? Oct 30 19:17:06 Bonks: might be useful to see if adb logcat says anything useful... Oct 30 19:17:15 I'm on market Oct 30 19:17:25 you mean on your phone? Oct 30 19:17:32 yes on my phone Oct 30 19:17:46 have you too mysteriously lost your data plan? (check your browser) Oct 30 19:18:01 browser works Oct 30 19:19:11 kristian-m: its not a simple port, jython produces bytecode. dalvik doesn't use standard bytecode. Oct 30 19:19:34 erm, yes it does. Oct 30 19:19:55 or rather, the dalvik toolchain does use standard bytecode Oct 30 19:20:18 i understood the problem as that jython does _not_ produce bytecode, but rather just crudely embeds an interpreter which has all sorts of problems fooling the JVM. Oct 30 19:21:33 jasta: Jython has both Oct 30 19:21:37 it has an interpreter Oct 30 19:21:41 but it also has a compiler Oct 30 19:21:49 at least it had years ago, the last time I worked with it Oct 30 19:22:03 jasta so its still on the roadmap? - i thought its simply a problem with some nonexisting exec functionality in dalvik Oct 30 19:22:55 * kristian-m was hoping the problem would be solved by now, hmm seems to be a bigger problem then Oct 30 19:25:57 romainguy__: the bytecode compiler is probably just as crude as the interpreter then. :) Oct 30 19:26:22 i looked at the project pretty recently and the latest stable seemed not to have a bytecode compiler, but i never checked out the dev branch Oct 30 19:30:47 the 3G addition to network manager seems pretty cool Oct 30 19:33:20 i don't have an att phone to tether though, so i don't know how easy it is to use. Oct 30 19:35:59 You can load apks straight from the SD card, right? Oct 30 19:39:17 * elad slaps vol around a bit with a large trout Oct 30 19:39:56 zombie run would be nice if the icon was even vaguely lighter than the background :) Oct 30 19:41:44 wait, is there tethering for g1 yet? Oct 30 19:42:11 hopefully, I'd like to steal some intarwebs Oct 30 19:42:25 it would be pretty sweet. Oct 30 19:43:03 thoraxe: you can "teather" if you know what youre doing Oct 30 19:43:58 umdk1d3: can you teach me what i'm doing? :P Oct 30 19:44:04 no ;) Oct 30 19:44:09 :( Oct 30 19:44:13 only l33ts deserve to get teathering Oct 30 19:44:15 romainguy__: last time I checked, Jython did not compile to bytecode, or at least I couldn't figure out how to make it Oct 30 19:44:28 umdk1d3: only l33ts deserve to spell TETHERING correctly. Oct 30 19:44:44 ooo Oct 30 19:44:48 Cool... The guy who is writing that geocaching app pm'ed me back on the forum he's on... he's working on getting it working with the 1.0 final SDK and then he wants to test it - but he's not dropped off the face of the earth which is good news Oct 30 19:45:25 ...you misspell on purpose so people cant grep their logs? Oct 30 19:45:54 morrildl: I remember a jythonc in the distribution Oct 30 19:46:10 romainguy__: yes, but all it does is emit .java files Oct 30 19:46:19 that are then compiled via javac Oct 30 19:46:24 morrildl: yes Oct 30 19:46:30 then you compile that to dex :) Oct 30 19:47:00 romainguy__: yes, but the Java that it generates has no relationship to your Python code Oct 30 19:47:18 What it emits is basically a stubbed out class that instantiates an interpreter and starts feeding it your code Oct 30 19:47:18 how so? Oct 30 19:47:22 ah ok Oct 30 19:47:28 that sucks :)) Oct 30 19:47:33 So for instance you can write a class in Python taht extends Activity Oct 30 19:48:07 but what you get is a Java class that extends Object that, when it starts running, starts synthesizing Java bytecode (yes, at runtime IIRC) that corresponds to your Python class that extends Activity Oct 30 19:48:12 it would work fine for a Servlet Oct 30 19:48:26 but it can't compile to static bytecode corresponding to your Python code Oct 30 19:49:30 stupid Jython Oct 30 19:49:39 I was depressed :) Oct 30 19:49:53 I sooooo wanted to write an Android app in Python Oct 30 19:49:59 on the plus side, apparently Scala works Oct 30 19:50:21 why does everyone love python so much? Oct 30 19:50:37 it's a good language Oct 30 19:50:41 because it's good? Oct 30 19:50:57 but thats all relative.. i mean, what do you like about it? Oct 30 19:50:59 it's not the end all of everything, but i enjoy writing code on it Oct 30 19:51:04 heh, apparently it's good, but not good for much of anything else besides scripting. Oct 30 19:51:16 python web frameworks havent really gained traction :-( Oct 30 19:51:45 heh, i have a friend who writes these scientific programs in python, until he finds out python can't handle the data set he needs to account for. then he has to re-write everything in c Oct 30 19:51:58 unix_lappy: I did write apps in Python Oct 30 19:51:59 it's fine :) Oct 30 19:52:35 why would you use it over any other language? Oct 30 19:52:48 I find it clean and simple Oct 30 19:52:50 python 3000 is my life Oct 30 19:52:51 I won't speak to python specifically (not really my favorite language in that space), but once you've spent significant time writing in a scripting language, it's hard to go back to strongly typed compiled stuff. Oct 30 19:53:03 andyross: I kinda disagree Oct 30 19:53:09 me too Oct 30 19:53:20 I find as I get older, I'm most productive in perl and C. Anything in between is like pulling teeth. Oct 30 19:53:22 I think once you've spent a long time compiled languages, you write a lot better in scripted languages :) Oct 30 19:53:48 i'd agree there for the most part, but if you're disciplined enough i'm sure you could do it. Oct 30 19:54:00 i'm not disciplined enough ;-) Oct 30 19:54:22 In my current job I jump between Java and AS3 (flex) a lot - but fortunately they are pretty similar so I don't get too confused Oct 30 19:54:26 my only problem with Python is the ton of old cruft in the APIs Oct 30 19:54:36 The trick is that you have to get beyond the "write the same kind of code you're used to" syndrome. Once you learn how to think in the script world, huge chunks of problems become eaiser to think about and *much* easier to type. Oct 30 19:54:43 romainguy have you messed with python 3000? Oct 30 19:54:48 not yet Oct 30 19:54:55 its apparently a rewrite Oct 30 19:55:07 i typically use c or c++, makefiles and bash to take care of all my issues. Oct 30 19:55:20 sometimes i have to use fortran. Oct 30 19:55:21 Yeah, python's library environment is my main beef with it. That, and it keeps adding syntax for syntax's sake. We've seen where that went with C++. Oct 30 19:55:22 and java Oct 30 19:56:05 i don't have a language preference Oct 30 19:56:06 michaelnovakjr: did your update get finished? Oct 30 19:56:09 andyross: The trick is that you have to get beyond the "write the same kind of code you're used to" syndrome. << it's true pretty much every time you change language Oct 30 19:56:21 haha, its got 3 minutes left on the install part now Oct 30 19:56:23 anyway, Python is just another tool :) Oct 30 19:56:36 michaelnovakjr: you don't have a preference on a language? so what do you write in when you write for fun and have a choice? Oct 30 19:56:41 i'm on the office wireless ... a.k.a shitty wireless Oct 30 19:56:51 Dougie187: different languages Oct 30 19:56:57 i like writing assembly :) Oct 30 19:57:02 and C and Java.... Oct 30 19:57:19 no preference though.... not like everything has to be done in Java and only Java ! Oct 30 19:57:19 romainguy: No. Or only trivially. Moving from between Java, C++, obj-c and C# doesn't really change the idiom, only the syntax. Moving to Lisp or Javascript or Python *does* fundamentally change the way you're expected to solve problems. Oct 30 19:57:26 i don't mind java, i need to write more of it to get it back. but i usually write in c or c++... Oct 30 19:57:39 Likewise perl/python/ruby/javascript are all in the same core family Oct 30 19:57:45 then again, i mostly write scientific applications, so there is little need to move between languages. Oct 30 19:57:47 no andyross Oct 30 19:57:55 and scripting languages are not sufficient for the problems i do. Oct 30 19:57:55 ruby is the language from hell Oct 30 19:57:56 andyross: I disagree Oct 30 19:57:59 How many people are on the android team inside Google? Oct 30 19:58:09 JavaScript/Python/blah are not that far from statically typed language Oct 30 19:58:13 RyeBrye: 3 Oct 30 19:58:16 :) Oct 30 19:58:18 but moving to stuff like Haskell or Lisp is very different indeed Oct 30 19:58:24 RyeBrye: ovar 9000 =O Oct 30 19:58:44 Motorola is hiring 350 - which seems like a lot Oct 30 19:58:53 RyeBrye: are they still hireing 350? Oct 30 19:58:54 besides, it's becoming hard to know where C# fits in all this now :)) Oct 30 19:59:05 Even after their "Earnings" statement? Oct 30 19:59:05 especially with the late typing they're adding in C# 4.0 :)) Oct 30 19:59:10 Sorry, but Javascript is a full-on functional language. It's *closer* to Lisp or Haskell than it is to C++. That you would argue otherwise tells me that you're still not beyond the "write C++ in Javascript" phase. I'll shut up now before this turns into a big flame war. Oct 30 19:59:19 easy romainguy, C# doesn't Oct 30 19:59:23 :) Oct 30 19:59:50 andyross: too late Oct 30 19:59:56 How did this happen? Oct 30 20:00:02 Didn't we just have one of these yesterday? Oct 30 20:00:05 I just code in brainfuck mostly, and then after I get working demos I port the code to other OSes Oct 30 20:00:18 Correction: strictly, Javascript is close to Lisp. Haskell is a typed language and lives in its own space with the *ML languages. Oct 30 20:00:47 ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>. Oct 30 20:01:18 RyeBrye: languages with 4-letter words in their names aren't allowed on this channel. Oct 30 20:01:21 Strictly, Javascript is close to Lisp? Uh? Oct 30 20:01:24 sorry Oct 30 20:01:40 I code in brain***** Oct 30 20:01:53 jbq, can I mention lisp and perl? Oct 30 20:02:19 jbq: i think you have to allow java too. Oct 30 20:02:28 Dougie187, :) Oct 30 20:02:30 Cedric2: yes. Closures? Check. Late binding? Check. Garbage collection? Check. All it lacks is s-expressions and the unified code representation. Which of those does C++ have? You have to look beyond the syntax, which was my point earlier. Oct 30 20:02:46 (just kiddin' - have you tried brainfork and braintwist?) Oct 30 20:02:57 Dougie187: that's a 4-letter word too. Oct 30 20:03:08 sexps are what defines the Lisp family Oct 30 20:03:10 andyross: C# has closures and late binding and GC... so C# is close to Lisp now? Oct 30 20:03:21 Functional features as well Oct 30 20:03:26 JS has neither Oct 30 20:03:26 that too Oct 30 20:03:40 Is javascript turing complete? Oct 30 20:03:44 LANGUAGE WAR!!! Oct 30 20:03:52 lol Oct 30 20:03:56 RyeBrye: yes, you can write a bf interpreter in js :) Oct 30 20:04:01 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT Oct 30 20:04:07 the only language one needs is SmallTalk anyway ^^ Oct 30 20:04:11 lol Oct 30 20:04:13 Cedric2: 100% wrong. I just pointed out that Javascript *is* a functional language. It has first class functions, lambdas, the works. I mean, look: you can argue if you like, but don't make stuff up. Oct 30 20:04:29 BODYBLOW! Oct 30 20:04:47 blount: are you commenting of keeping score? Oct 30 20:05:03 andyross: I recommend posting this on comp.lang.lisp, you are going to have a lot fun Oct 30 20:05:13 * blount goes back to the code Oct 30 20:05:30 Wow... XSLT 1.0 is turing complete? Oct 30 20:05:31 http://www.unidex.com/turing/utm.htm Oct 30 20:06:14 tooooor! Oct 30 20:06:47 is there a way to play pls mp3 streams from online radio stations on the g1? it says it doesn't recognize it. Oct 30 20:06:55 Javascript is usually seen more as belonging to the prototype family, by the way Oct 30 20:07:12 Cedric2: just stop. Oct 30 20:07:26 Ok, I won't Oct 30 20:08:17 ... > /dev/null Oct 30 20:08:35 michaelnovakjr: #code-bs Oct 30 20:08:52 or #infinite-loop Oct 30 20:09:08 lol Oct 30 20:09:13 still installing? Oct 30 20:09:18 done Oct 30 20:09:25 now installing the new kernel? Oct 30 20:09:26 lol Oct 30 20:09:29 Anyone have a scope? my embedded guru friend suggests that he things the + / - data pins are most likely to be used over USB in the bootloader mode rather than the extra pins Oct 30 20:09:40 haha, excellent ad placement by mibbit, "Javascript: The Good Parts (new window) - Get the book for $19.79 from Amazon" Oct 30 20:10:10 michaelnovakjr: are you updating it on your laptop? Oct 30 20:10:12 or something else? Oct 30 20:10:17 laptop first Oct 30 20:10:22 cool Oct 30 20:10:27 RyeBrye: you trying to crack the bootloader or something? Oct 30 20:10:45 seeing if reflashing from the bootloader is possible, yeah Oct 30 20:10:58 just looking for the weakest link really Oct 30 20:11:09 more to the point, whether the bootloader insists on silly things like signing Oct 30 20:11:17 The bootloader works with a totally standard USB cable. But I think the USB support is disabled in the production devices. Oct 30 20:11:22 The source to the bootloader is in git. There's an rsa implementation in there, and a key check stubbed out. I don't think hardware hacking (short of manually reflashing the chip) is likely to work here. Oct 30 20:11:43 I'm not sure if that is the same bootloader Oct 30 20:11:54 The bootloader on the devices came from HTC Oct 30 20:11:54 mikez6 - you have one of the engineering ones? Oct 30 20:12:15 It's got a msm7k directory, so it was clearly intended for this hardware. Obviously I don't have any special knowledge of what actually shipped. Oct 30 20:12:18 Yes, mine has a "working" bootloader Oct 30 20:12:27 want to trade? Oct 30 20:12:27 ;) Oct 30 20:13:11 mikez6 - does yours say "serial0" when it boots into bootloader mode? Oct 30 20:13:21 I am hoping bootloader unlocked phones will be made available. I think the main problem is most of the devices are going to the stores. Oct 30 20:13:42 It says Serial0 at first, but then changes to "Fastboot" after USB is connected. Oct 30 20:15:33 If you boot with the back button held down it goes into USB mode, and the camera button enables a serial mode that can be used for changing various parameters (in an unlocked bootloader, that is) Oct 30 20:16:08 DREA100 PVT 32B HBOOT-0.95.0000 CPLD-4 RADIO-1.22.12.28 Sep 2 2008 is my version string Oct 30 20:16:28 where does that string come from? Oct 30 20:16:36 on the top of the bootloader screen Oct 30 20:16:41 oh right Oct 30 20:16:44 in the red panel with yellow text Oct 30 20:17:20 * andyross has RADIO-1.22.12.29 Oct 30 20:18:15 andyross: you must have gotten the OTA update Oct 30 20:18:34 Yes. So that's a firmware version, not the bootloader version? Oct 30 20:20:03 Yes, RADIO-1.22.12.29 is the ARM9 firmware for the radio Oct 30 20:20:08 I'm on EDGE, so I wonder if they will push the update out to me Oct 30 20:20:11 HBOOT-0.95.0000 is the bootloader Oct 30 20:20:46 im still rc19 Oct 30 20:21:05 mikez6 - you work for google I presume? Oct 30 20:21:07 The "bootloader" in the source tree is a later stage, just before the kernel. Think of the difference on a linux desktop between the BIOS and LILO (or GRUB). Oct 30 20:21:14 Dumb question: is there a software mechanism for exiting the bootloader? Or do I just pull the battery? Oct 30 20:21:25 I wish I knew that too andyrooss :) Oct 30 20:21:39 andyross: you might be able to three-finger-salute out of it (green-menu-red) Oct 30 20:21:59 Apparently not. Oct 30 20:22:04 when I do the back button and the power button, it still says "serial0" but I see a USB device now: productID: 0x0c01 vendorID: 0x0bb4 Oct 30 20:22:18 (usb device I see from my computer - screen on the phone looks the same) Oct 30 20:22:30 3-finger salute reboots it from there Oct 30 20:22:41 has anyone here published an app to the market yet? wondering what the turn around time is. Oct 30 20:23:06 trigatch4: pretty fast, but i think the market app does some caching on your device Oct 30 20:23:16 so it doenst force-reload the recent list every time Oct 30 20:23:16 RyeBrye: Oh, so you can see it on the USB bus? I figured they would have disabled that Oct 30 20:23:21 I THINK I can Oct 30 20:23:35 I'll reboot again and make sure that I wasn't just looking at a non-refreshed version Oct 30 20:23:45 Yeah, if you see 0x0bb4/0x0c01 then you see the bootloader Oct 30 20:24:03 I wonder why they didn't completely disable USB Oct 30 20:24:11 RyeBrye: see if you can get usb serial talking to that device Oct 30 20:24:11 I see that device ID / vendor ID on my bus when it's booted normaly though Oct 30 20:24:25 mikez6: probably to minimize the delta between versions. Oct 30 20:24:33 You see that when the device is in the bootloader (rainbow screen)? Oct 30 20:24:35 I'll move over to a linux box... I'm on my mac now Oct 30 20:24:45 I'll double check for sure before I get too excited Oct 30 20:26:11 how do i know if i've received the OTA update? Oct 30 20:26:11 umdk1d3: does it depend on the complexity of the app at all? what is considered "fast"? Oct 30 20:26:24 wastrel: go into your settings and check phone version Oct 30 20:26:26 hmm... this time I don't see it Oct 30 20:26:43 trigatch4: ive seen it within a minute of uploading on the market site Oct 30 20:26:44 You should see PID 0x0c01 in the bootloader, or device if adb is disabled. Oct 30 20:26:57 If adb is enabled, then we use 0x0c02 for the PID Oct 30 20:27:11 wastrel: About Phone > Build Number.... and then look at the number next to the RC Oct 30 20:27:14 RC19 is the old one Oct 30 20:27:23 This is the source in git: http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/bootloader/legacy.git;a=tree;f=usbloader;hb=HEAD Oct 30 20:27:23 The command handlers are in usbloader.c, you could see if those match what you see over the wire. But again, note the key up at the top of the file, and the presense of an rsa implementation in ../libc. I doubt this is going to work unless HTC screwed up somehow Oct 30 20:27:47 i have RC19 :[ my phone is old and out of date. Oct 30 20:28:03 trigatch4: thanks for the info :] Oct 30 20:29:10 My guess is that finding an exploit in one of the runtime root processes is likely to be a better bet. Bootloaders are simple software, and pretty easy to lock down. Oct 30 20:30:22 kudos to whoever wrote that rsa.c by the way. Very short, very clean. Oct 30 20:30:25 htc has screwed up before Oct 30 20:30:37 although that might encourage them to keep this one solid Oct 30 20:30:44 Oh, so I guess the production bootloader is exactly the same, but with a different key. Oct 30 20:30:45 Yeah, but in this case they just have to use the source google gave them and change the key. Oct 30 20:32:25 hmm. wonder if that check is correct - at first glance it only seems to validate the kernel Oct 30 20:32:28 Hnmmm... Oct 30 20:32:35 I don't know if I do see USB when it's in bootloader after all Oct 30 20:32:50 I thought I did before, and I thought I refreshed my device list, but maybe it was left over from before Oct 30 20:33:37 Try kicking it again with back (or whatever restarts the bootloader). The USB implementation might not notice the host unless you get it in the right state. Simple software, after all :) Oct 30 20:34:02 If the bootloader has USB enabled you should see Oct 30 20:34:03 Bus 005 Device 034: ID 0bb4:0c01 High Tech Computer Corp. Oct 30 20:36:58 I don't see any crypto stuff in fastboot, so I think that RSA key must be for something else. Oct 30 20:37:17 bah, k9 doesn't handle deletes any better Oct 30 20:37:25 that stupid magical trash folder is a giant piece of shit Oct 30 20:37:26 heh Oct 30 20:37:27 Interesting... this time I did the power + back button and after I see the rainbow screen it flashed white with blue text saying "loading" then it wen tback to the rainbow screen Oct 30 20:40:55 I know that they don't want these things hacked, but I woudl think they would have kept some easy way to reflash them when they got back to the factory in case there was a problem bricking them or something Oct 30 20:42:25 What processes run as root on the device? Oct 30 20:42:49 not many. we made as many non-root as possible :-) Oct 30 20:43:16 yeah, makes sense Oct 30 20:43:22 "adb shell ps | fgrep root". Everything up to /system/bin/sh (pid 27 on my phone) is a kernel thread. Oct 30 20:44:12 I think there are about 4 that need root. Oct 30 20:45:09 mountd, debuggerd, zygote, installd, maybe audmgr_rpg (not sure if that's a kernel thread or not). Oct 30 20:46:53 hm Oct 30 20:48:11 RyeBrye: and the factory can easily reflash, by simply using a signed image Oct 30 20:48:45 so clearly we must infiltrate htc Oct 30 20:48:55 Disconnect - ahh, good point Oct 30 20:49:22 what's k9? Oct 30 20:49:35 wastrel: forked email app Oct 30 20:49:52 * Disconnect is betting on debuggerd as the easy target Oct 30 20:49:53 ah right the email app. ok jolly jingles Oct 30 20:49:57 but i haven't looked at code so.. Oct 30 20:50:03 is it really forked? Oct 30 20:50:19 im working on email bur i dont intend to fork Oct 30 20:50:22 Disconnect: k9 delete doesn't work right either Oct 30 20:50:28 thoraxe: works for me just fine. Oct 30 20:50:30 will we eventually be able to write apps that run in the background? Oct 30 20:50:33 the proper way to delete is to move to trash folder then delete and purge from inbox Oct 30 20:50:39 elad: you can do that now Oct 30 20:50:44 at least from my perspective Oct 30 20:50:45 wastrel: ...according to which rfc? Oct 30 20:50:47 i mean as a service Oct 30 20:50:48 Disconnect: if you delete a message, delete from trash, and refresh, the message re-appears in your trash Oct 30 20:50:51 not parallel Oct 30 20:51:04 Disconnect: also, if you unmark for delete the message on the server, it appears in both your trash and its original folder Oct 30 20:51:05 imap says "flag as deleted" and whether you hide it or show it (or make a virtual trash box) locally is up to the app and/or user.. Oct 30 20:51:21 Disconnect: i haven't actually read the imap rfc's :] Oct 30 20:51:36 wastrel: "move to trash" is optional Oct 30 20:51:44 wastrel: pure imap is simply "mark for delete" Oct 30 20:51:45 wastrel: if you haven't at least skimmed them you probably shouldn't be discussing the "proper way" to do imap... Oct 30 20:51:48 yeah that's why outlook is such a headache. Oct 30 20:51:49 if anyone cares im working on imap idle support Oct 30 20:51:57 Disconnect: that's how i as a user would like it to work. Oct 30 20:51:57 jasta: i care.. Oct 30 20:52:03 jasta: delete is more important :P but i care Oct 30 20:52:10 deeply. Oct 30 20:52:12 i disagree completely Oct 30 20:52:22 wastrel: what you like and what the published stuff is differ Oct 30 20:52:24 elad: you can write background apps today Oct 30 20:52:33 wastrel: if you want the published stuff to be what you like, go sit on the board of the committees :P Oct 30 20:52:39 * Disconnect also cares about the whales. and you. Oct 30 20:52:42 delete on your mobile is nothing like instant notifications and efficient battery usage Oct 30 20:52:48 heh Oct 30 20:53:03 its less efficient to delete it 5 or 10 times than to have it 'stick' once :) Oct 30 20:53:25 but fwiw i hit delete on k9, refresh on mail (or thunderbird) and its marked deleted. doesn't take all that long. Oct 30 20:53:26 anyway back to work (at lunch) Oct 30 20:54:02 Disconnect: yeah, but what about your magic trash folder in k9 Oct 30 20:54:57 ..what about it? who cares? magic trash folder is half of whats wrong with email to begin with. i care that i can successfully mark stuff read, unread and deleted.. Oct 30 20:55:11 Disconnect: i suppose Oct 30 20:55:42 email-the-app not email-the-concept Oct 30 20:55:58 if you're gonna have a magic trash folder at least make it work right :) Oct 30 20:56:22 spaceballs-the-app Oct 30 20:56:26 k-9 inherited the magic folder Oct 30 20:57:05 no i know Oct 30 20:57:27 i just simply have not been using the mail client for anything but reading Oct 30 20:57:39 i've been taking care of deletes and moving mails on a real client Oct 30 20:57:40 heh Oct 30 20:59:31 so.. is it really google's official position that the only important thing on your phone is gmail? (no backup app, no chance for one) or is that more of a "very soon" problem? Oct 30 21:01:30 what's the magic trash folder? Oct 30 21:03:14 wastrel, I would guess that it is a virtual folder where any messages marked as deleted appear Oct 30 21:03:33 if you're storing important information on your phone, you're Doing It Wrong, I would imagine is their position Oct 30 21:03:43 wastrel, where in reality the messages never been moved anywhere Oct 30 21:16:34 vol: then the security guidelines are just self-whanking if none fo the data is important anyway Oct 30 21:17:05 s/important/unrecoverable/ Oct 30 21:17:17 I misspoke Oct 30 21:17:35 ok.. so recover my sms's for me. or tell teh phone to store them on sd card.. Oct 30 21:21:01 alternately, just because I -can- go through and reinstall a dozen apps, reconfigure them and so forth doesn't mean i want to. Oct 30 21:21:21 easier one, less security impact: my phone died, i got a new one. recover my bookmarks. Oct 30 21:22:08 fbreader ebook reader seems to work Oct 30 21:22:16 need to load a book or 2... :] Oct 30 21:22:29 nice Oct 30 21:22:37 I used that a good bit on my n800 Oct 30 21:22:46 I wonder how nice it will be to use with 1/2 the pixels Oct 30 21:26:49 help me think of costume ideas, one of the guys in my group bailed out and so i gotta think of a new one Oct 30 21:27:31 location-aware mobile application Oct 30 21:27:48 just go around saying you can't find any satellites Oct 30 21:29:06 lol Oct 30 21:29:16 my friends are not as nerdy as you think :) Oct 30 21:29:30 wastrel: lol Oct 30 21:29:45 wastrel: /me has already put up a "Where is ttuttle?" page on his website (password-protected, of course). Oct 30 21:29:46 my friends and i were gonna go as the A-Team, but we lost Mr. T :( Oct 30 21:29:52 and Mr.T is hard to replace in Seattle ;) Oct 30 21:30:17 ttuttle: that's cool, i wonder if all the other people's "where is ttuttle?" pages are password protected too Oct 30 21:30:31 jasta: ...and that's why I didn't download a Market app to do this. Oct 30 21:30:46 jasta: The updates aren't encrypted, but if you can sniff the update, you're close enough to know where I am ;-) Oct 30 21:31:08 don't be a wimp, go in blackface Oct 30 21:31:33 heh and on that note, i'mma stay classy and head home for the night Oct 30 21:32:37 ttuttle: so far, most of the apps that i've seen are grossly misusing location data. Oct 30 21:33:10 i won't call anyone out, but _quite a few_ people are improperly collecting this data to see how popular their apps are in what regions, with privacy policies whatsoever Oct 30 21:33:17 jasta: That's slimy. Oct 30 21:33:32 yea Oct 30 21:33:34 jerks Oct 30 21:33:43 ttuttle: i don't think it's slimy as much as it is ignorant. Oct 30 21:34:05 the folks i have seen just thought it would be a cool gimmick to slap something like that together, not appreciating their responsibility to user privacy Oct 30 21:34:11 jasta: It's both. Oct 30 21:34:15 this is why, so far, i have rejected any app on the market which needs my location Oct 30 21:34:26 * ttuttle will only accept ones that actually use my location. Oct 30 21:34:36 because even if i "trust" that its not malicious, i don't trust that the developer is responsible Oct 30 21:35:04 ttuttle: even if they use it, if there is any sort of server component you can bet your ass that they are collecting this data unless they have specifically called it out in a privacy policy Oct 30 21:35:11 so far, none of the apps have even HAD privacy policies (*EEK!*) Oct 30 21:35:33 developers need to get it together and treat this data with respect Oct 30 21:35:57 jasta: I agree. Oct 30 21:36:05 +1 Oct 30 21:36:49 this is why i was babbling about more granular permissions. Oct 30 21:36:58 there are lots of apps that are asking for my location which frighten me Oct 30 21:37:09 for instance, i would not give TuneWiki access to my location. nor would i give the Quickpedia app access to this. Oct 30 21:37:23 why is TuneWiki looking for your location Oct 30 21:37:26 but these apps are otherwise useful independent of that feature Oct 30 21:37:28 "social networking" Oct 30 21:37:29 michaelnovakjr: *exactly* :) Oct 30 21:37:52 that would be like my iPod asking for my location Oct 30 21:37:58 michaelnovakjr: ...yeah. Oct 30 21:38:07 jasta: every time I come in here you're babbling about something that sounds like it would make a great article... but I always come in mid conversation ;) Oct 30 21:38:11 what's the purpose..... is my favorite band around the corner from me or something? Oct 30 21:38:26 michaelnovakjr: maybe ;-) Oct 30 21:39:36 trigatch4: it's because i'm always talking :) Oct 30 21:41:23 there should be a ladies developer challenge Oct 30 21:41:31 Zeinin: ....?!?!?! Oct 30 21:41:34 Zeinin: huh? Oct 30 21:41:34 huh Oct 30 21:41:37 Zeinin: What's wrong with the regular one? Oct 30 21:41:44 Zeinin: Did they ban female developers? Oct 30 21:42:22 ttuttle: no he's just assuming girls couldn't win cuz coding is hard. Oct 30 21:43:15 Disconnect: no Oct 30 21:43:19 Disconnect: That's stupid. I know plenty of girls who can code, and plenty of guys who can't. Oct 30 21:43:31 Zeinin: Then what's the point? Oct 30 21:43:34 ...yep Oct 30 21:43:38 Zeinin: Why do you need two of them? Oct 30 21:45:20 * ttuttle enjoys the awkward silence. Oct 30 21:46:53 why do you think? Oct 30 21:47:14 Zeinin: I'm not sure. I think it's grossly sexist to suggest that it's because they "aren't smart enough" to cut it in the regular challenge. Oct 30 21:47:17 again guys Oct 30 21:47:24 >> /dev/null Oct 30 21:47:42 Zeinin: And I think it's misguided to suggest that it's because they are "under-represented", as there's honestly nothing wrong with different industries having different gender ratios. Oct 30 21:47:46 Okay, sorry. Oct 30 21:52:13 *gah*, stupid google code is giving me "server error" when i add a comment to an issue Oct 30 21:52:25 jasta: same here Oct 30 21:52:52 i wrote like 4 paragraphs :) Oct 30 21:53:38 night all. Oct 30 21:53:38 that'll teach you to use a bugs db the way it's supposed to be used :) Oct 30 21:53:46 o/ Oct 30 21:54:12 more and more romain is starting to sound like a bot :) Oct 30 21:54:14 hrmm, i powered my phone off, back on and it comes up with a phone and an exclamation mark in a triangle, what does this mean? Oct 30 21:54:27 elad: failed update? Oct 30 21:54:36 jasta: you didn't know he was one? Oct 30 21:54:36 jasta, that's what the __ stands for Oct 30 21:54:41 jasta: he's the beta version of google's evil robot army. Oct 30 21:54:42 languish: I think you just volunteered to un-crackify this set of shell scripts that were dropped in my lap :o) Oct 30 21:54:59 oh my Oct 30 21:54:59 jasta: who said I wasn't? Oct 30 21:55:06 oh shit, i may have turn it off in the middle of an update... i was tring to text and it wasnt going through.. so i turned it off Oct 30 21:55:07 hah Oct 30 21:55:12 trying Oct 30 21:55:25 romainguy__: botsnack Oct 30 21:55:26 elad: nah, if it was updating, you wouldn't have been texting. it would have been at an update screen. Oct 30 21:55:50 hmm do I just pull the battery out? Oct 30 21:55:55 gdsx: romainguy__ is a Google robot. He doesn't eat mere botsnacks. You must procure organic, locally-grown botsnacks, prepared by the best executive bot chefs on the planet. Oct 30 21:55:58 elad: Nah, give it a little while. Oct 30 21:56:15 its been like this for about 5 minutes Oct 30 21:56:26 elad: Okay, pull the battery. Oct 30 21:57:07 ttuttle: quotefiled :o) Oct 30 21:57:16 gdsx: heh Oct 30 21:57:18 gdsx: link? Oct 30 21:58:46 ttuttle: oh, in a dotfile in ~ :o) Oct 30 21:59:02 oh okay Oct 30 22:03:18 can connectbot be used to set up a socks proxy on the phone? Oct 30 22:05:41 * jasta taps his foot waiting for google code to stop sucking Oct 30 22:06:49 man Oct 30 22:06:54 i pulled the battery Oct 30 22:07:07 and it still comes up with the error Oct 30 22:07:19 heh, wife is used to a almost 10 year old phone (gsm, monochrom screen, barely does sms) Oct 30 22:07:32 she's now googling for phone numbers, clicking on the result, and take pictures Oct 30 22:07:50 so I'm getting photos of my kid in costume running around the city Oct 30 22:08:04 she's a big fan of the g1 Oct 30 22:08:05 stupid technology. Oct 30 22:08:11 ;-) Oct 30 22:08:37 spikebike - you should have her use isafe and get her to take pics in front of all the sex offenders houses Oct 30 22:08:45 heh Oct 30 22:12:44 dam guess ill have to go to tmobile Oct 30 22:17:12 elad, did you do a master reset using the physical buttons? Oct 30 22:17:26 (or attempt to?) Oct 30 22:17:58 no, Oct 30 22:18:05 you want to try? Oct 30 22:18:23 pulled the battery and waited 60 seconds that seemed to have worked Oct 30 22:18:30 ahh ok Oct 30 22:19:03 when do we get root access to the g1? Oct 30 22:19:09 for a poll size of about 150 regular users and about 50-100 transient users... Oct 30 22:19:16 laz, when someone cracks it Oct 30 22:19:19 ...i'm seeing a high frequency of defective handsets. Oct 30 22:20:04 So, does *anyone* here take iSafe seriously? Oct 30 22:20:14 not I Oct 30 22:20:22 * ttuttle just checking. Oct 30 22:26:16 oh shit Oct 30 22:26:25 I just realized what the dialer doesn't have Oct 30 22:26:40 a setting to block outgoing caller id Oct 30 22:26:48 there is a setting on the phone though Oct 30 22:26:53 yes Oct 30 22:26:53 but just not in the dialer Oct 30 22:26:55 languish: It's in Settings. Oct 30 22:27:04 like i said, "the dialer" Oct 30 22:27:27 hrm, gonna request that from one of the dialling apps Oct 30 22:28:05 havign to go in to settings, then in to the dialer is inefficient Oct 30 22:28:10 I wonder how long until those "adult friend finder" apps get built for android Oct 30 22:28:25 not that I want one, just saw a banner ad that made me think of it Oct 30 22:28:33 RyeBrye: Ooh! iSafe could be expanded so you can find out when there are hot new sex offenders in your city! Oct 30 22:28:40 :) Oct 30 22:29:23 there were some JHS girls in the area that found one of the sex offender registry sites, and started scoping out an offender to blackmail Oct 30 22:29:25 unix_lappy: you have to accentuate the positive Oct 30 22:29:57 languish: it IS in the dialer Oct 30 22:29:59 they got busted after one of them sent a txt to her tutor instead of her friend Oct 30 22:30:03 *67 :) Oct 30 22:30:15 BHSPitWeb, I've had problems with that on tmo Oct 30 22:32:20 BHSPitWeb: fine, people are either really happy or really pissed off about their G1 purchase ;-) Oct 30 22:32:31 I'm mixed Oct 30 22:32:58 there are some really great features and functions Oct 30 22:33:03 awesome benefits Oct 30 22:33:05 languish: bah, i've seen you use a couple four letter words in here regarding the G1. Oct 30 22:33:09 the only rub with me is the battery, thats IT Oct 30 22:33:09 and then some tragic downsides Oct 30 22:33:24 unix_lappy, yes, it's called feedback Oct 30 22:33:39 I'm excited about Android, but not about the G1. Oct 30 22:33:53 unix_lappy: I'm able to boot linux on my strtrk now :) Oct 30 22:33:54 ditto Oct 30 22:36:54 when the g1 is r00ted the fun starts Oct 30 22:36:59 BHSPitWeb: cool, motorola spent SO much money on their custom distribution and had zero follow through . Oct 30 22:37:06 what build you using? Oct 30 22:39:05 elad: I was upset about the battery until I tried to run it out, man, it sat at 1% forever. Oct 30 22:39:09 unix_lappy: what? I knew Moto was working on something, I didn't know something had happened? Oct 30 22:39:19 unix_lappy: linwizard Oct 30 22:40:12 there needs to be more apps Oct 30 22:40:15 for free Oct 30 22:40:17 that's good Oct 30 22:40:47 BHSPitWeb: back then, i meant. Oct 30 22:40:52 androoid: make them Oct 30 22:41:08 i am :D Oct 30 22:41:12 unix_lappy: before android? Oct 30 22:41:18 now they are making a last ditch effort to find a niche in a market they helped commoditize. Oct 30 22:41:21 BHSPitWeb: yup. Oct 30 22:41:38 unix_lappy: well, they seem to have made a commitment to Android at least... Oct 30 22:42:10 I'm somewhat relieved their phones' OSes won't suck as bad Oct 30 22:44:02 im getting the sense that the guy behind K9 Mail is an idiot Oct 30 22:44:18 Still trying to get a good feel for how much access the android SDK provides Oct 30 22:44:26 like to the Wifi subsystem, for example Oct 30 22:44:35 nada Oct 30 22:44:39 BHSPitWeb: WifiManager Oct 30 22:44:40 none? Oct 30 22:45:18 BHSPitWeb: look at the docs for WifiManager. actually, a good overview of what Android can do system-level is to look at all the system services Oct 30 22:45:24 see Context.getSystemService() Oct 30 22:45:27 jasta: thanks for the tip, I'm looking over it now Oct 30 22:45:54 VIBRATOR_SERVICE ("vibrator") probably the best Oct 30 22:45:58 :P Oct 30 22:46:15 jasta: this WifiInfo object class is perfect Oct 30 22:46:30 I was looking for a way to see what SSID the user is connected to Oct 30 22:47:31 no problem Oct 30 22:51:19 Is the SDK (or the Market) friendly toward creating background services that start at boot? Oct 30 22:51:53 BHSPitWeb: yes, there is no problem with that Oct 30 22:52:16 BHSPitWeb: but the community of users does ask that you develop responsibly. write efficient code, and take advatnage of the tools android gives you Oct 30 22:52:30 realize that everything drains battery, memory is scarce, etc. Oct 30 22:53:16 Yeah. I'm seeking to write an android app that automates signing into my campus wifi. Oct 30 22:53:42 talk to umdk1d3, he has done a lot of work with wi-fi and wanted to develop an app to do this already Oct 30 22:53:57 It could be easily done in a kind of applet that the user has to launch, but a background process would be much more win Oct 30 22:54:11 BHSPitWeb: actually, that's not true. Oct 30 22:54:15 mmm? Oct 30 22:54:21 you would want to use android's intent receiver system to notify you of when your wi-fi network is connected Oct 30 22:54:25 then react. Oct 30 22:54:26 ooh BHSPitWeb =D Oct 30 22:54:29 but not have a service running indefinitely Oct 30 22:54:42 jasta: I was just about to ask about delegation like that Oct 30 22:55:21 jasta: as long as it requires no user interaction, it's win ;) Oct 30 22:55:34 but you're giving me lots of good news Oct 30 22:55:50 imagine how much trouble I've had doing a similar app on the iPhone SDK. Oct 30 22:56:40 BHSPitWeb: so here was the other part of my app idea ;) Oct 30 22:56:51 It HAS to be launched by the user, there's no access to details about the wifi state so I've had to do everything using connections and interpreting http responses, etc Oct 30 22:57:00 umdk1d3: eh? Oct 30 22:57:02 wait /me doesnt share in public channel :P Oct 30 23:02:56 Hey, I can add comments to the bug tracker again. Oct 30 23:05:51 umdk1d3: you don't what? Oct 30 23:06:00 fadden: yeah, i got mine through about 10 minutes ago Oct 30 23:19:01 umdk1d3: fix connectbots session list to not collide long hostnames with the status icon Oct 30 23:19:18 your relativelayout is busted Oct 30 23:19:35 also umdk1d3 make sessions removable Oct 30 23:19:41 i dont want the example hosts there plz Oct 30 23:19:46 long click Oct 30 23:20:10 maybe i didnt try long enough Oct 30 23:20:18 i guess i'm used to the C/Clear button on my other device Oct 30 23:21:00 long clicks pretty consistent throughout android for this :) Oct 30 23:21:18 yeah i know, i implement it inmy app Oct 30 23:21:27 but he should remove the examples :) Oct 30 23:21:53 gah service really sucks here for t-mobile :/ Oct 30 23:22:30 in sf? Oct 30 23:23:00 service is acceptable in seattle, but at@t was better :) Oct 30 23:24:24 & i meant on connectbot :) Oct 30 23:24:40 i'm in south san jose right now Oct 30 23:24:46 i barely get 2 bars at home Oct 30 23:24:49 but no 3G whatsoever Oct 30 23:24:57 even though the coverage viewer says i'm blanketed with it Oct 30 23:26:06 oh? Oct 30 23:26:09 really? Oct 30 23:26:21 last I looked most 3G markets weren't labeled with 3G Oct 30 23:26:24 like say sacramento Oct 30 23:26:39 they have a list on their site Oct 30 23:26:51 but does it mean all those metros have actually launched 3G yet? Oct 30 23:27:00 or is it some kind of sick TODO list Oct 30 23:27:39 TODO: put the 3gZ in A11 m4rk3t5 and pr0f17! Oct 30 23:28:15 hrm Oct 30 23:29:11 nice i can replicate the process com.android.browser to crash Oct 30 23:29:20 ah, they updated the sac map Oct 30 23:30:41 that happened to me once Oct 30 23:30:58 this is quality app, strobelight Oct 30 23:34:10 STOOBE LIGHT APPPPP Oct 30 23:34:12 WOOOO PARTAY Oct 30 23:34:38 i was just giving the dog seizures with it Oct 30 23:34:40 ossum Oct 30 23:35:45 languish: ... Oct 30 23:38:00 yes, dear? Oct 30 23:38:22 don't worry, the comment was just for effect, no pooches were harmed in the making of this message. Oct 30 23:38:39 He loves the strobe :/ Oct 30 23:42:17 strobes, flashlights, tip calculators ftw Oct 30 23:42:31 now let's have an all-in one Oct 30 23:42:43 i want android office Oct 30 23:42:44 gogo Oct 30 23:43:04 comin right up Oct 30 23:43:07 it can strobe the amount of the tip as you use the light to count your change in a dark restaurant Oct 30 23:43:30 :D Oct 30 23:43:35 lol Oct 30 23:43:50 strobe app's gonna come in handy tomorrow night Oct 30 23:43:58 word? Oct 30 23:44:11 halloween parade and after parties Oct 30 23:44:18 * ttuttle wants a strobe that can synchronize among devices, so we can have raves where all the dreams^W G1s flash in unison ;-) Oct 30 23:44:20 wt Oct 30 23:44:22 wtf Oct 30 23:44:28 halloween is tomorrow oh shit Oct 30 23:44:33 oh that is pimp ttuttle Oct 30 23:44:36 damn, I should see how many ppl at the parties have G1's and get them all to strobe Oct 30 23:45:06 ttuttle, get on it. :| Oct 30 23:45:33 if wireless strobing isn't possible, then do it time sync based Oct 30 23:45:42 f00f-: Imagine a computer lab full of computers doing that, with synchronized colors and music. Oct 30 23:45:44 wireless-sync Oct 30 23:45:49 f00f-: It's called a cluster rave, and it's been done before ;-) Oct 30 23:45:51 ttuttle, btdt Oct 30 23:46:32 couplea girl got dizzy :| Oct 30 23:46:34 *grils Oct 30 23:46:37 oh man Oct 30 23:46:52 languish: btdt? Oct 30 23:46:57 oh Oct 30 23:46:58 i see Oct 30 23:48:05 yeah Oct 30 23:49:07 anyone keeping the ubuntu party going? Oct 30 23:49:19 oi flashlight app is using automatic updates Oct 30 23:49:29 (for a flashlight app ) :/ Oct 30 23:51:08 * ttuttle is REALLY tired of apps requesting internet permission for automatic updates. Oct 30 23:51:40 I'm more tired of location based aware apps asking for gps Oct 30 23:51:42 :| Oct 30 23:51:46 err Oct 30 23:51:47 wtf Oct 30 23:51:59 I'm more tired of non-location based aware apps asking for gps" Oct 30 23:52:03 yeah that's dumb Oct 30 23:52:06 I have one GPS-enabled app. Oct 30 23:52:11 It posts my location to my website. Oct 30 23:52:17 I wrote it, so I know exactly what it does. Oct 30 23:52:38 tuttle: are you using sql? Oct 30 23:52:43 elad: No. Oct 30 23:52:44 it's good to know exactly where you are when you're sitting at your pc Oct 30 23:52:55 languish: Well, it's more so a few selected *other* people can know where I am. Oct 30 23:52:59 :P Oct 30 23:53:26 hook it up to a twitter feed Oct 30 23:53:35 languish: er no Oct 30 23:53:36 brb Oct 30 23:53:39 * tweet: bathroom Oct 30 23:53:42 ttuttle: so If I figure out your website, I can effectively stalk you? Oct 30 23:53:57 ghost mode Oct 30 23:54:33 I may do something like that, with google maps that would be fun Oct 30 23:54:55 AndroidBoy Oct 30 23:55:03 gameboy emu Oct 30 23:55:40 heh needs work Oct 30 23:55:44 but cool Oct 30 23:57:26 I just used my G1 to fix my TV :) Oct 30 23:57:53 I used compass to help me aim my antenna in my attic to the proper orientation, and I used Connectbot to ssh into my linux box that had 2 screens monitoring the signal strength on my HD HomeRun Oct 30 23:58:21 lol nice Oct 30 23:59:23 RyeBrye sweet :) and ieatlint said the compass was unimportant. Oct 30 23:59:34 pffffft Oct 31 00:00:39 nice, more apps are coming with an "exit" button Oct 31 00:01:55 it's possible to use the end call button as an onCreate trigger right? Oct 31 00:01:59 when your app has focus? Oct 31 00:02:22 erm, onStop() Oct 31 00:29:24 damn Oct 31 00:29:44 I missed hearing another message alert because the volume controls are global Oct 31 00:31:20 need individual volume settings for each app and a separate option to choose between raising/lowering the active app's volume or all apps. maybe even a pririty level deal where you can set different apps to different priority groups and have a different volume setting for each group Oct 31 00:42:21 does anybody know where i can find the source to connect to the gsm modem? i want to make my own data calls to the phones modem Oct 31 00:46:38 tecchi: you don't. We don't even have the source for the RIL Oct 31 00:47:03 will that ever be possible? Oct 31 00:48:10 tecchi: ever? who knows? I'm confident that it won't happen unless someone screws up somewhere (and I believe Qualcomm wrote the RIL) Oct 31 00:48:53 hmpf....bad news Oct 31 00:49:28 I'd settle for root Oct 31 00:49:32 r00t! Oct 31 00:53:26 tomorrow is a new beginning Oct 31 01:02:10 hehe, i hav eto charge my G1 every day immediately when i get home from work :) Oct 31 01:02:16 battery is terrible :) Oct 31 01:02:34 jasta: same as iThings, honestly Oct 31 01:02:42 I am usually about 30% or so Oct 31 01:04:09 if you manage it, you can come home with about 60-70% battery Oct 31 01:09:56 wife's halloween prep http://i38.tinypic.com/2n1ro5i.jpg Oct 31 01:10:29 that pics from the g1 Oct 31 01:10:34 camera :/ Oct 31 01:11:04 My battery is not dying. I have wifi n gps on. No 3g though. It's getting better compared to first day. Oct 31 01:11:49 Aragon, yeah.. it seems to improve with time. Oct 31 01:11:56 hoping it's not shory lived lol Oct 31 01:12:02 lol Oct 31 01:12:03 * languish pessimistically optimistic Oct 31 01:12:32 Actually I'm waiting for it to drain out..lol Oct 31 01:12:48 eww Oct 31 01:13:26 go watch some youtbes Oct 31 01:13:33 that will pwn your battery Oct 31 01:13:39 good idea! Oct 31 01:14:47 Im gonna start with evolution of dance :p Oct 31 01:15:09 very good choice sir Oct 31 01:41:59 Has google been having problems lately? Oct 31 01:42:05 so has anyone done the math on how many combinations there is to unlock the g1 Oct 31 01:42:07 Searches have been slow as well for the past couple days here Oct 31 01:42:16 and its only google Oct 31 01:44:45 elad: yes, one of the folks on the team wrote a script that generates all of the combinations Oct 31 01:45:05 I don't remember quite how many there are, but suffice it to say, the answer is "many" Oct 31 01:46:56 elad might be many, but the ones folks are going to use will likely be one of the first 10 you try Oct 31 01:47:29 true, but I'm interested in the number Oct 31 01:47:40 its got to be huge Oct 31 01:48:26 what are the rules? Oct 31 01:48:42 is it 9*8*7*6*5*4*3*2? Oct 31 01:48:49 no, it's not that simple Oct 31 01:49:28 connect at least 4 dots, but not all combinations of dots can be connected in sequence Oct 31 01:49:31 because other dots are in the way Oct 31 01:49:40 atleast 4? Oct 31 01:49:51 does it have to be a single stroke Oct 31 01:49:54 atleast 2? Oct 31 01:49:56 yes Oct 31 01:50:01 at least 4, a single stroke Oct 31 01:50:25 and the single stroke can retrace over previously connected dots Oct 31 01:50:34 ah Oct 31 01:50:43 but not connect Oct 31 01:52:19 oh good someone finally wrote a tip calculator fo rthe market Oct 31 01:52:52 a? Oct 31 01:55:47 there's like 100 Oct 31 01:56:08 i've seen 5 people talking about writing one Oct 31 01:56:46 isnt tip like 15% everywhere? Oct 31 01:57:14 <`vip> 18% Oct 31 01:57:18 whatever Oct 31 01:57:18 <`vip> i thought was the new standard Oct 31 01:57:22 double the tax is close enough Oct 31 01:57:23 elad: there are apparently 389112 possible unlock patterns (http://beust.com/weblog/archives/000497.html) Oct 31 01:57:31 (in most) Oct 31 01:57:38 <`vip> yeah my tax is 8% here Oct 31 01:57:40 <`vip> :( Oct 31 01:57:43 or 20% (which is also to calculate) Oct 31 01:57:46 scootley: yeah, that's Cedric2's Oct 31 01:58:32 thanks Cedric2 Oct 31 01:58:38 Yup, that's me. As was said before, there are a lot more combinations than it looks Oct 31 01:59:08 At lunch, I let a coworker try and guess mine Oct 31 01:59:11 didn't work Oct 31 01:59:16 http://beust.com/keyguard.html Oct 31 01:59:19 and then it locked the phone Oct 31 01:59:19 very nice Oct 31 01:59:21 tmccrary: well, there's the backoff also Oct 31 01:59:29 and apparently forces a reset on the pattern Oct 31 01:59:36 Thanks, Elad. This page will not work on IE btw (it uses a ) Oct 31 01:59:47 woops Oct 31 02:00:40 there's a simple solution to that Oct 31 02:01:50 cbeust_: does that just go through all 4! permutations and filter out the ones that would end up as 5 or more dots? (for the 4-dot case) Oct 31 02:02:09 err... not 4! :o) Oct 31 02:02:20 (9 c 4) Oct 31 02:02:29 *4! Oct 31 02:03:03 gdsx: I just go through all the combinations and eliminate the invalid ones Oct 31 02:03:08 turns out that not many are invalid Oct 31 02:03:20 ::nod:: Oct 31 02:03:28 Considering our implementation, I'm not sure it can be captured in a simple math formula Oct 31 02:04:46 <`vip> G1 has no exchange support, right ?? Oct 31 02:04:58 cbeust_: no, I was saying that I think there are (9 c 4)*4! total 4-dot patterns, of which some are invalid Oct 31 02:05:05 Not out of the box, but there is an app that does that from Funambol I believe Oct 31 02:05:27 yup, 9x8x7x6 minus the invalid ones Oct 31 02:05:49 Nope. that app just sync contacts Oct 31 02:05:51 that canvas is beautiful Oct 31 02:05:58 Thanks elad :) Oct 31 02:05:59 so neat Oct 31 02:06:18 never seen that done before, good job Oct 31 02:06:51 I generated the combinations in Java in a Javascript compatible format and then I just pasted these numbers in the Javascript code that manipulates the cnavas Oct 31 02:08:52 `vip: right no exchange support. although you can connect using pop or imap Oct 31 02:10:37 fac(fac(9)/fac(N)fac(9-N)) Oct 31 02:10:40 ? Oct 31 02:22:01 vip there's some 3rd party exchange stuff but I haven't checked it out.. Oct 31 02:24:13 waldo_: yea? Oct 31 02:27:12 http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200810272037DOWJONESDJONLINE000579_FORTUNE5.htm - for the budget conscious Oct 31 02:40:17 the g1 battery is pretty stubborn at <15% Oct 31 02:40:22 doesn't wanna die Oct 31 02:43:18 hello everyone. Oct 31 02:44:43 so any word on when the music player will support .pls internet streams? Oct 31 02:45:13 I'm trying to activate my unlocked g1, but every time i get the "there is a prob comunicating with google servers" can anyone help? Oct 31 02:47:24 APN settings probably Oct 31 02:47:58 elad: the battery needs to fulled charged and then drained a few times before the sensors become accurate Oct 31 02:48:20 cbeust_: aye, im on my 3rd "Deep cycle" Oct 31 02:50:22 cbeust_, why would root be running top ? Oct 31 02:50:22 before the sensors become accurate? what sensors? Oct 31 02:50:31 on a production g1 Oct 31 02:50:42 The battery sensors Oct 31 02:50:54 whats that got to do with the vpn? Oct 31 02:51:00 i mean APN? Oct 31 02:51:12 I was answering to 2 different questions Oct 31 02:51:21 ohh Oct 31 02:51:23 what folders in the 'generic' folder after the build, are necessary for android to run? Oct 31 02:51:53 I have tried diferent apn settings, and I see the edge icon, but always get the same erros Oct 31 02:51:58 error Oct 31 02:52:09 what carrier? Oct 31 02:52:17 foreign Oct 31 02:52:19 Claro Oct 31 02:52:31 ; Oct 31 02:52:35 Does browsing work? Oct 31 02:52:54 don't know I am trying to activate it Oct 31 02:58:30 what folders in the 'generic' folder after the build, are necessary for android to run? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 31 02:59:57 2008