**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 16 02:59:56 2008
Nov 16 03:09:27 <tech9iner> niyice.. mibbit irc via g1.. coo ness
Nov 16 03:09:58 <tech9iner_> t9 sux!!! ;))
Nov 16 03:10:08 <tech9iner_> lol
Nov 16 03:11:14 <d03boy> i like t9
Nov 16 03:11:27 <tech9iner> & here i was awaiting irc client for g1.. bah
Nov 16 03:11:40 <d03boy> tech, lol
Nov 16 03:11:42 <tech9iner> now i can beg n whine bout g1 FROM g1 hehe
Nov 16 03:12:10 * tech9iner checks off one g1 wishlist i tim
Nov 16 03:12:12 <fnordg1> connectbot+irssi ftw
Nov 16 03:12:35 <tech9iner> oyea tx fnordg1 .. we 4got that mention earlier this day lad..
Nov 16 03:13:05 <tech9iner> wtf's our fav root access terminal app for g1 specific to the adb push/pulls then lads N lassies police?
Nov 16 03:13:40 * tech9iner has a new kid on block feel like his sux2tux migration days bout 7 yrs back all afresh n fun like.. 
Nov 16 03:13:58 * SplasPood hax up ansi art for initlogo.rle use
Nov 16 03:13:59 <fnordg1> that made no sense :p
Nov 16 03:14:07 <tech9iner> not getting any of my business tasks completed for now.. but.. having fun i am iyam
Nov 16 03:14:30 <tech9iner> fnordg1, if the music is too loud lad.. you're too old applies here ;]]]]
Nov 16 03:15:28 <tech9iner> fnordg1, have a favorite root terminal for your g1?.. or just into language parse critiques hehe
Nov 16 03:17:09 <fnordg1> tech9iner: tcsh
Nov 16 03:17:19 <tech9iner> tx..
Nov 16 03:17:35 * tech9iner checks market..
Nov 16 03:18:24 <fnordg1> screw bash and it's lack of complete-word-fwd
Nov 16 03:19:04 <tmzt> tab? it's not emacs
Nov 16 03:19:45 <tech9iner> tx tmzt .. seeking best fit for the adb push/pull specifically..
Nov 16 03:19:47 <fnordg1> oh you said terminal not shell. i use my modifid term.apk
Nov 16 03:22:53 * Neverender2 wants an equalizer
Nov 16 03:23:21 <tech9iner> fnordg1, term.apk?.. is that via market then please?
Nov 16 03:23:39 * tech9iner is looking now & not seeing terminals in market yet..
Nov 16 03:24:03 <Neverender2> should be called Terminal Emulator
Nov 16 03:24:05 <Neverender2> in the market
Nov 16 03:24:17 <tech9iner> tx Neverender2
Nov 16 03:30:01 <tech9iner> anyone here adb pushed out to cloud their g1's data yet?.. or have a handy howto on it?
Nov 16 03:30:49 <tech9iner> lol.. im getting lotsa perm denied sofar lol
Nov 16 03:31:23 <fnordg1> clarify cloud g1 data :p
Nov 16 03:32:32 <fnordg1> and you do have root yeh?
Nov 16 03:33:08 * andyross is trying to decide if cloud is a verb in that question...
Nov 16 03:34:35 * tech9iner roflmfao @ me me me.. AGain! lol.. t9 found his first working term emulator command that works flawlessly on the g1.. woohoo.. 'exit' 
Nov 16 03:34:40 <fnordg1> heh hmm the last.fm app is actually good
Nov 16 03:35:05 <wastrel> hi
Nov 16 03:35:19 <tech9iner> ive enjoyed somewhat fnordg1 the imeem too.. albeit its library appears to loop bout 11 songs per station over n over n ..... blah blah infinitum
Nov 16 03:35:29 * tech9iner nods n waves..
Nov 16 03:36:12 <fnordg1> yeh i listen to obscure stuff
Nov 16 03:36:53 <tech9iner> fnordg1, sorry.. off googling androidish things.. 'cloud' as in adb pushing out all my original g1's call logs etc.. iow.. grab A L L orig g1's data & push out to cloud.. then swap out battery / simm to replacement g1.. & pull down same from cloud
Nov 16 03:38:05 <tech9iner> too sad noone's created a true top2bottom backup util for g1's data yet
Nov 16 03:38:33 <tech9iner> be nice to backup all.. swap out rma g1's.. then just restore
Nov 16 03:38:43 <fnordg1> tech9iner: oh i just rsync to my sserver
Nov 16 03:39:29 <fnordg1> but restores are iffy
Nov 16 03:40:40 <tech9iner> fnordg1, cant afford iffy with all my mission critical client data etc..
Nov 16 03:41:02 <andyross> tech9iner: that won't work for a stock G1.  Applications can't write to each other's data.  With root, it's fairly trivial.  Just copy the /data partition.
Nov 16 03:41:08 <fnordg1> iffy = ?
Nov 16 03:41:09 <tech9iner> ryder penske fedex etc execs have no patience for excuses like.. 'i lost ur number'
Nov 16 03:41:27 <tech9iner> fnordg1, ?.. re: your <fnordg1> but restores are iffy
Nov 16 03:41:41 <fnordg1> oh
Nov 16 03:41:45 <fnordg1> well
Nov 16 03:41:51 <tech9iner> mission critical my data here..
Nov 16 03:41:55 <tech9iner> by the by..
Nov 16 03:42:11 <fnordg1> contacts are easy. also sms
Nov 16 03:42:32 <fnordg1> app settings is another story
Nov 16 03:42:43 <wastrel> calendar
Nov 16 03:42:51 <tech9iner> anyone sides t9 having tard time getting a palm treo 700wx [ugh.. microsux mobile[NOT!] 5] to successfully pair via bluetooth to complete beams of contact data ?
Nov 16 03:42:53 <wastrel> there's no todo/organizer app
Nov 16 03:43:10 <wastrel> i've never used bluetooth
Nov 16 03:43:11 <tech9iner> fnordg1, apps as in android's call logs iow?
Nov 16 03:43:22 <wastrel> you can beam data over bluetooth on palm?  neat
Nov 16 03:43:26 <wastrel> palm -> android?
Nov 16 03:43:44 <fnordg1> as in connectbot prefs
Nov 16 03:44:08 <tech9iner> NOT wastrel .. i could not one single time get the mobileKnott 5 on my old treo to pair either way with g1
Nov 16 03:44:10 <Leeds> I would go as far as to say Palm 'popularised' obox over bluetooth
Nov 16 03:44:23 <Leeds> the g1 does not support that sort of thing... yet
Nov 16 03:45:39 <tech9iner> fnordg1, hmmm.. mk.. so still no takers here on aforementioned adb push android core data out to cloud from original g1 phone.. then adb pull down same data to rma replacement g1 then?
Nov 16 03:47:02 <tech9iner> someone here earlier this day mentioned this like it was eyes closed simple.. course they were with geekazoid brain.. im strange combination of mouse hating keyboard pc operator that is utterly nonlogical or video brain type & command line challenged.. go figure.. '20%'er' here..
Nov 16 03:47:40 <tech9iner> Leeds, so seems the g1 supports simple headset pairing via bt.. but not beaming via bt then aye?
Nov 16 03:48:02 <Leeds> as far as I know, that's the case now
Nov 16 03:48:22 <tech9iner> coo ness tx for educated guess Leeds mate..
Nov 16 03:48:55 <infernix> anyone tried cdc ethernet between a G1 and pc/laptop?
Nov 16 03:49:16 <infernix> over USB that is?
Nov 16 03:49:28 <Leeds> assuming one can write to the contact list, it shouldn't be horribly hard to do incoming contacts...
Nov 16 03:50:04 <fnordg1> got root? got server? know how to use rsync or such? then yes you can backup. got a little time? then yes you can restore.
Nov 16 03:50:54 <fnordg1> call logs are in an sqlite db. find it and you know what to restore
Nov 16 03:52:17 <tech9iner> fnordg1, got any handy dandy dirty diaper saving howto url's that are granny simple on using rsync on g1's as referred?.. NO pressure! ;]]
Nov 16 03:52:20 <Leeds> fnordg1: the question for all the sqlite stuff is what the chances are that there is some other data somewhere you need to copy as well
Nov 16 03:52:51 <fnordg1> Leeds: true.
Nov 16 03:53:17 <fnordg1> i should release a backup script heh
Nov 16 03:53:33 <Leeds> hmm, is the sqlite binary command-line tool on the phone?
Nov 16 03:54:00 <fnordg1> no but i cross compiled one
Nov 16 03:54:11 <Leeds> cool
Nov 16 03:54:32 <fnordg1> it needs glibc. sec
Nov 16 03:55:03 <tech9iner> fnordg1, if one has huge 250g hdd on one's lappy?.. wtf not just rsync every i0i0 on the g1 period?
Nov 16 03:55:18 <tech9iner> shirley g1's internal rom cant hold much data..
Nov 16 03:58:10 <fnordg1> Leeds: n1.fnord.to/fone
Nov 16 03:58:30 <fnordg1> i0i0?
Nov 16 03:59:21 <tech9iner> ahh.. t9 found some cli's to play with.. prolly just enough to destroy my g1 muahahaha    http://www.android-unleashed.com/search/label/command%20line
Nov 16 04:00:05 <Leeds> ah-ha
Nov 16 04:00:09 <tech9iner> fnordg1, sorry to keep confusing thee mate.. i0i0 meaning entire g1's data.. 1's & 0's ;]]
Nov 16 04:00:25 <Leeds> tech9iner: can I suggest the amazing thing we call "English"
Nov 16 04:00:29 <fnordg1> oh
Nov 16 04:00:34 <d03boy> Leeds, thank you!
Nov 16 04:00:52 <tech9iner> beyond my skills Leeds but tx for suggestions.. ;]]
Nov 16 04:01:29 <fnordg1> well that's what rsync is does heh
Nov 16 04:02:06 <tech9iner> fnordg1, ie your  n1.fnord.to/fone .. should i grab any of that?.. or best leave b?
Nov 16 04:02:43 <fnordg1> tech9iner: do you know unix admin stuff?
Nov 16 04:02:47 <tech9iner> fnordg1, thinking these are needed to accomplish your advised rsync no?
Nov 16 04:03:26 <tech9iner> not sans warm soft hands of the generous few that are admins admittedly fnordg1 ;]].. note the 2nd word in 'gui dependent' ? ;]]
Nov 16 04:03:28 <tech9iner> lol
Nov 16 04:03:56 <fnordg1> nah that is for peeking at internals
Nov 16 04:04:09 <tech9iner> fnordg1, so not needed for rsync then
Nov 16 04:04:13 <tech9iner> tx
Nov 16 04:04:26 <fnordg1> no
Nov 16 04:04:59 <tech9iner> fnordg1, i do have the rma phone in hand here & would love to get me call logs & all user data over to it from original g1 SINcerely..
Nov 16 04:05:41 <fnordg1> ok. do you have root on both?
Nov 16 04:06:51 <fnordg1> if so i can tell you what to do when i get home
Nov 16 04:07:19 <fnordg1> if not...i am not sure
Nov 16 04:07:22 <tech9iner> fnordg1, lol.. mate.. i have one battery.. one simm card.. one case cover.. one microsd.. and two g1 shells..
Nov 16 04:08:06 <Leeds> there should be an easy answer to this: how do I get my battery level without plugging in?
Nov 16 04:08:25 <`vip> Settings
Nov 16 04:08:28 <`vip> Phone Info
Nov 16 04:08:32 <tech9iner> fnordg1, i was sheeting you not laddie when i said tmobile literally send g1 barely.. no cover.. no battery.. no sd.. no simm.. barely included the rma return shipping label.. counting me blessings with tard tmobile in me 3wks with them
Nov 16 04:08:36 <`vip> something like that :l
Nov 16 04:09:06 <Leeds> `vip: danke - 1%
Nov 16 04:09:14 <`vip> np
Nov 16 04:09:43 <tech9iner> Fnord^-, i do have two handy laptops sporting vista xp & opensuse 11 tho fnordg1 .. hehe.. does rsync play well with either of them os's?.. methinks yes yes
Nov 16 04:09:47 <Leeds> up 63 hours... I'm trying to kill the battery so I can do a full discharge/recharge cycle
Nov 16 04:11:05 <fnordg1> tech9iner: you need root access to both g1s
Nov 16 04:11:26 <tech9iner> Leeds, i ignored tmo's ChicGeekGrrl support tech's early suggestion upon my complaints bout my brand new g1's battery not holding charges well.. i mean really.. 2008.. battery memory is obsolete no?.. well.. accidentally let phone die 2 nites past.. omfg.. it now holds charge bout 3x as well as before
Nov 16 04:11:41 <fnordg1> unless there is an official way
Nov 16 04:11:56 <Leeds> tech9iner: English, motherfscker, do you speak it?
Nov 16 04:11:58 * tech9iner ponders if his similar battery in his treo 700wx would fit back 0 a g1.. 
Nov 16 04:12:34 <tech9iner> Leeds, breathe lad.. lets not be english snob please..
Nov 16 04:12:46 <fnordg1> oh? draining batt makes it last longer?
Nov 16 04:12:52 <Leeds> I'm English and I'm a snob
Nov 16 04:13:00 <tech9iner> Leeds, indeed lad.. indeed
Nov 16 04:13:02 <tech9iner> lol
Nov 16 04:13:13 <tech9iner> such a waste of good community..
Nov 16 04:13:40 <Leeds> fnordg1: it's certainly the case in other phones - not so much that it lasts longer as it lets the charging circuitry calibrate against your actual phone/battery, rather than an assumed 'average'
Nov 16 04:14:07 <fnordg1> ahh
Nov 16 04:14:41 <tech9iner> fnordg1, last clarification mate.. is there no way to rsync to laptop?.. then restore from said laptop to rma g1?
Nov 16 04:14:44 <Leeds> for example, on my old Palm, it tended to last a *long* time on 1% or 0% - because the battery wasn't really as empty as it thought
Nov 16 04:15:06 <unix_infidel> define:"*long*"
Nov 16 04:15:12 <wastrel> weeks
Nov 16 04:15:26 <wastrel> sorry, wishful thinking :]
Nov 16 04:15:55 <unix_infidel> i dunno, if the battery life issue with the G1 is simply a software bug, or a calibration bug, it seems like a high priority bugfix is in order.
Nov 16 04:16:02 <unix_infidel> maybe not as big as a root bugfix, but along the same lines.
Nov 16 04:16:13 <fnordg1> not unless you have root
Nov 16 04:16:16 <Leeds> depending on the load you were putting on it, easily 30-45 minutes after it hit 0%
Nov 16 04:16:16 <wastrel> my battery gets me through the day
Nov 16 04:16:33 <wastrel> which is more than i could say for my old hpone
Nov 16 04:16:36 <fnordg1> mineis terrible
Nov 16 04:16:46 <wastrel> i have gps off
Nov 16 04:16:52 <unix_infidel> wastrel: a day is not 12 hours on the planet I'm from.
Nov 16 04:16:52 <RyeBrye> My battery will go from 100% until 15% (telling me I need to plug it in) if I just leave it next to my bed at night with the screen off
Nov 16 04:17:00 <tech9iner> fnordg1, root is not an  issue on laptops.. now.. this begs question.. is there an issue with accessing root privileges on g1's via terminal emulators then perhaps?
Nov 16 04:17:16 <wastrel> "the day" yeah not 24hr
Nov 16 04:17:25 * tech9iner fires up terminal in g1 & checks.. hmm.. no whoami on android seems.. 
Nov 16 04:17:31 <wastrel> i think it helps that i'm a block from a cell tower
Nov 16 04:17:33 <RyeBrye> tech9iner - type "id"
Nov 16 04:17:40 <RyeBrye> tech9iner if it is 0, you are root
Nov 16 04:17:47 <RyeBrye> tech9iner - but you are probably not root
Nov 16 04:18:04 <tech9iner> tx muchly RyeBrye
Nov 16 04:18:09 <Leeds> RyeBrye: not necessarily
Nov 16 04:18:13 <unix_infidel> arent there shortcuts you can place on the main screens to turn off GPS, 3G, WiFi (respectively)
Nov 16 04:18:38 <Damm> there's an application for it
Nov 16 04:18:40 <fnordg1> yes there is an issue..tmo or htc or google do not want you to have root
Nov 16 04:18:48 <Damm> but nah, there is no real shortcut
Nov 16 04:19:03 <unix_infidel> Damm: meaning it's more than two taps away?
Nov 16 04:19:06 <Damm> fnordg1, s/(htc|google)/t-mobile
Nov 16 04:19:13 <wastrel> you can use anycut
Nov 16 04:19:30 <Damm> unix_infidel, well there was an App I installed (toggler or something stupid like that) and it let me turn on wifi/gps/etc with a single tap
Nov 16 04:19:33 <wastrel> for wifi at least, i haven't made enough use of gps to bother with that
Nov 16 04:19:37 <Damm> run the app, tap it on, click close
Nov 16 04:19:51 <Damm> i forget why i removed it
Nov 16 04:20:11 <wastrel> with anycut i have an icon that pops me right into wifi prefs, it can apparently do that with any activity on the device
Nov 16 04:20:21 <wastrel> then it's a single tap to enable or disable
Nov 16 04:20:40 <unix_infidel> Leeds: you're only on 2.5G in HK right?
Nov 16 04:21:08 <unix_infidel> good metric for battery life there...
Nov 16 04:21:14 <Leeds> unix_infidel: yeah... there's loads of 3G, and I actually did try out a 3G contract recently with my previous phone, but I'm happy with my cheap-n-cheerful EDGE :-)
Nov 16 04:21:48 <Leeds> under US$15 for unlimited EDGE, unlimited use of my network's wifi, 1000 minutes of voice...
Nov 16 04:22:16 <Leeds> http://www.peoples.com.hk/p_tariff_tariff_data_iso.jsp
Nov 16 04:22:24 <tech9iner> hmm.. ie root.. my term output of 'id' cli = http://picpaste.com/100_5477.JPG
Nov 16 04:22:25 <Leeds> anyway, yes, that should improve the battery lif
Nov 16 04:22:47 <unix_infidel> Leeds: it's more of a question of how's your battery life at 3G off all the time.
Nov 16 04:22:53 <tech9iner> wtf speeds is edge there Leeds ?
Nov 16 04:23:13 <Leeds> tech9iner: tops out around 200kbit
Nov 16 04:24:02 <tech9iner> hmm.. thats better than my recently etf charged & killed tard spring u727 broadband speeds even for US$60 ! damn
Nov 16 04:24:18 <tech9iner> spring*Sprint
Nov 16 04:24:42 <d03boy> tech9iner, you really do need to take your time while typing
Nov 16 04:25:31 <tech9iner> i used to sit my laptop on hood of my auto next to one of my lead technician's laptop with verizon air card.. my down was maxed out round 200 kbps down/ max on good days of 75up.. his?.. 2500 down/600up
Nov 16 04:26:09 <Leeds> just downloaded a speedtest :-)
Nov 16 04:26:10 <DarkriftX> tech9iner, you do not have root in that pic
Nov 16 04:26:11 <tech9iner> tx d03boy .. u loved me earlier.. hehe.. should've gotten it in writing before you changed your mind lad rolf..
Nov 16 04:26:17 <DarkriftX> it would be uid 0
Nov 16 04:26:19 <tech9iner> DarkriftX, tx muchly..
Nov 16 04:26:27 <tech9iner> so how do we reach root mates?
Nov 16 04:26:39 <wastrel> is your phone updated to R30 ?
Nov 16 04:26:39 <Leeds> tech9iner: are you running r30?
Nov 16 04:26:43 <DarkriftX> http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Rooting_Android
Nov 16 04:26:50 <DarkriftX> yeah, do you ahve rc30?
Nov 16 04:26:57 <tech9iner> i suppose the bits i read bout updates i saw down yesterday or before killed root huh
Nov 16 04:27:14 <tech9iner> lemme check DarkriftX .. ASSuming yes on this
Nov 16 04:27:29 <DarkriftX> if so, you cannot get root until a new expliot is released
Nov 16 04:27:34 <wastrel> in home menu>settings>about phone
Nov 16 04:27:51 <wastrel> build number should have string RC30
Nov 16 04:27:59 <wastrel> "RC30" in it
Nov 16 04:28:02 <DarkriftX> and im sure it does
Nov 16 04:28:05 <Leeds> I seem to be maxing around 90kbit now
Nov 16 04:28:17 <DarkriftX> its been a while since its released, unless you activly stopped it, you prob got the update forced
Nov 16 04:28:28 <tech9iner> wastrel, tx chum
Nov 16 04:28:31 <wastrel> i have rc30
Nov 16 04:28:44 <unix_infidel> Leeds: that's pretty terrible especially for SE Asia.
Nov 16 04:29:21 <Leeds> unix_infidel: I've seen faster... may well depend on the cell, the usage, etc. - and remember, "cheap'n'cheerful"
Nov 16 04:29:37 <tech9iner> indeedy rc30 mates..
Nov 16 04:29:44 <DarkriftX> then you can give up on root for now
Nov 16 04:29:45 <Leeds> tech9iner: then no root for you!
Nov 16 04:29:48 <unix_infidel> Leeds: how much is WiMax in HK?
Nov 16 04:29:57 <Leeds> there is no wimax in HK
Nov 16 04:30:04 <DarkriftX> keep an eye on my wiki, some ppl are working on a new root and ill post it there when its ready
Nov 16 04:30:06 <Fnord^-> no root = no backup/restore, unless someone knows of another way
Nov 16 04:30:28 <unix_infidel> oh?
Nov 16 04:31:18 <tech9iner> DarkriftX, supposing this http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Keeping_Root is only good IF ONE prepped the last rc29 eh?
Nov 16 04:31:21 <Leeds> unix_infidel: why would you think there would be?  the only places which have rolled-out wimax are Korea and a couple of US cities, AFAIK
Nov 16 04:31:28 <DarkriftX> correct
Nov 16 04:32:24 <tech9iner> hmmm.. dammit.. as much a fan as i yam of all google things.. seems they've designed this android os overly restrictive ..
Nov 16 04:32:25 <unix_infidel> Leeds: not sure, just assumed. ya know how that goes.
Nov 16 04:32:33 <DarkriftX> blame tmo
Nov 16 04:32:36 <unix_infidel> would be interested to see how People's 3G speeds compare though.
Nov 16 04:32:41 <unix_infidel> (real world)
Nov 16 04:32:42 <DarkriftX> google would have left it more open
Nov 16 04:32:56 <Leeds> Peoples don't have 3G - they're the only network in HK who don't
Nov 16 04:33:05 <Leeds> DarkriftX: don't bet on it
Nov 16 04:33:24 <unix_infidel> wow, crazy.
Nov 16 04:33:28 <tech9iner> so basically im fsckd out of root access to adb push all my orig g1's data out to cloud or even rsync back it up & restore it to rma g1 eh gents?
Nov 16 04:33:32 <Leeds> making your user run as a non-root user on top of a Unix kernel gives you a *lot* of security, out of the box
Nov 16 04:33:47 <Leeds> yay, not enough battery to even boot :-D
Nov 16 04:34:07 <unix_infidel> Leeds: heh, how long since your last charge :-P
Nov 16 04:34:07 <Leeds> unix_infidel: in some ways, HK is very advanced - in others, it's really backward
Nov 16 04:34:25 <unix_infidel> Leeds: like, the lack of breatheable air in certain seasons ;-P
Nov 16 04:34:34 <Leeds> about 8 hours since it was unplugged, but it was only charged to something like 40% then
Nov 16 04:34:47 * tech9iner concentrates on Leeds battery drain'age with all his strange esp powers... hehe
Nov 16 04:35:17 <Leeds> it was fully-charged 19 hours ago or so, and has had maybe 15-20 minutes of power (the good strong 240V stuff!) since then
Nov 16 04:35:28 * tech9iner ponders if the rma g1 sent BEFORE the rc updates pushed out is still rc29..
Nov 16 04:35:49 <DarkriftX> probable
Nov 16 04:36:12 <tech9iner> dont suppose that would help much tho huh fnordg1 .. one phone having root but #1 g1 no root.. same catch 22 huh
Nov 16 04:36:46 <DarkriftX> well if the new one is rc28, then turn it off, deny any updates and read my wiki
Nov 16 04:36:56 <Fnord^-> i don't think you'd have permissions to access call log database
Nov 16 04:36:57 <DarkriftX> you can do the "keeping root" method and update that way
Nov 16 04:37:11 <DarkriftX> so at least you get root afterwards
Nov 16 04:37:42 * tech9iner thinks he may just give up on g1 & may just work on installing his fresh down of opensuse11 dvd iso on this microsux vista laptop anyhow
Nov 16 04:38:14 <tech9iner> hell for chitz & giggles.. lemme swap battery & see rc on rma g1
Nov 16 04:38:55 <Leeds> unix_infidel: $98 (+$12 or so for 'tunnel fees') is stabilising as the standard fee for a data-centric contact... PCCW give 60MB of 3G data, unlimited wifi - and they have a lot of access points - and a bunch of voice, with extra data charges capped around $268 - so a maximum of around US$50 for unlimited wifi, data and lots of voice
Nov 16 04:39:05 * tech9iner had already had the brilliant idea of using tether usb cable to power up the 2nd g1.. eh.. ahem.. so much for that idea.. battery necessity seems hehe
Nov 16 04:40:27 <unix_infidel> Leeds: heh, i'd rather pay the extra 75 bucks in the US and get all that plus decent public services like potable water ;-)
Nov 16 04:40:39 <unix_infidel> heh, jk.
Nov 16 04:41:09 <tech9iner> dammit.. heres a simple ? mates.. wtf? is the best g1 cover removal tact police?
Nov 16 04:41:12 <Leeds> the water here is perfectly potable... but the plumbing in a lot of buldings isn't safe
Nov 16 04:41:27 <d03boy> tech9iner, your "sentence" doesnt make sense
Nov 16 04:41:29 <tech9iner> no clear tab / grab slots like on some phones.. dont wanna break of tabs
Nov 16 04:41:33 <unix_infidel> I've been dying to make it out to China / HK in the next year.
Nov 16 04:41:36 * Leeds reaches for his /ignore
Nov 16 04:41:43 <Leeds> unix_infidel: if you do, ping me :-)
Nov 16 04:41:44 <d03boy> Leeds, ill go with ya
Nov 16 04:41:51 <tech9iner> how to remove the cover?
Nov 16 04:41:55 <tech9iner> simple enough?
Nov 16 04:41:56 <tech9iner> lol
Nov 16 04:41:57 <d03boy> I wish my /ignore would still show when someone types, just not show what they type
Nov 16 04:42:20 <unix_infidel> Leeds: heh, in a couple months, currency arbitrage will make it extremely attractive ;-)
Nov 16 04:43:02 <Leeds> unix_infidel: are you coming from the US?
Nov 16 04:43:07 <unix_infidel> Leeds: yes.
Nov 16 04:43:34 <Leeds> HKD/USD is formally pegged - and the HK government has spent a fortune recently supporting the peg... CNY/USD is informally pegged
Nov 16 04:44:15 <Leeds> floating pegs, but not allowed to float very far
Nov 16 04:44:21 <tech9iner> wow DarkriftX lol.. this rma phone is rc19 .. tmobile is right on top as usual seems hehe
Nov 16 04:44:59 <tech9iner> DarkriftX, so.. if i follow your wiki steps on rc19.. will it help me keep root on this unit forward then?
Nov 16 04:45:04 <DarkriftX> yes
Nov 16 04:45:18 <DarkriftX> root it, update the recovery, then update to rc30
Nov 16 04:45:25 <DarkriftX> first, rename your certs
Nov 16 04:45:33 <Fnord^-> modified rc30
Nov 16 04:45:41 <DarkriftX> root, rename certs, update recovery, update to modified RC30
Nov 16 04:45:45 <Fnord^-> :P
Nov 16 04:45:46 <tech9iner> show me the url on your wiki please DarkriftX
Nov 16 04:46:32 <DarkriftX> http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Rooting_Android then  (2 links at bottom of that page for after you root it, folow those)
Nov 16 04:46:38 <unix_infidel> Leeds: my point being you can only put so may "pegs" in a sinking ship.
Nov 16 04:46:48 <tech9iner> lol.. i pressed f6 form my years on konversation.. doesnt do much on xchat lol
Nov 16 04:47:28 <tech9iner> tx muchly DarkriftX .. tis appreciated.. IS appreciated even lmao..
Nov 16 04:51:31 * tech9iner notes in term on rma g1 that 'id' output looks suspicously similar to the no root original g1.. hopes.. 
Nov 16 04:52:20 <Leeds> tech9iner: hit return, type "telnetd", hit return
Nov 16 04:52:51 <Leeds> now telnet into your phone, and hey presto root
Nov 16 04:54:41 <tech9iner> leeds.. this isnt the first time this 'typing commands while ignoring screen output' hasnt faired well for me.. the 'reboot' trick never worked either..
Nov 16 04:55:08 * Leeds remembers his ignore
Nov 16 04:55:39 <tech9iner> Leeds, i rebooted phone.. pressed the return key.. typed t e l n e t d & pressed enter key again.. it left me in contacts showing the command typed searching for matching contact records.. no terminal on screen ?
Nov 16 04:56:00 <tech9iner> Leeds, ignore for wtf for mate?.. english no good now?
Nov 16 04:56:05 <Leeds> arse... and how does that include "telnet into your phone"?
Nov 16 04:56:41 <tech9iner> missed that line entirely Leeds .. could be related to the outcome.. lmao
Nov 16 04:56:43 <tech9iner> @ me me
Nov 16 04:56:57 * tech9iner googles howto telnet into g1's .. 
Nov 16 04:57:11 <tech9iner> i havent telnet into anything at all in years
Nov 16 04:59:42 <ITechJunkie> Hey guys, is there any way to use vlc to stream video to android?
Nov 16 05:00:05 <ITechJunkie> And assuming there is, how can you view it?
Nov 16 05:00:23 <Leeds> probably not - yet
Nov 16 05:00:40 <ITechJunkie> Leeds: what makes you think so?
Nov 16 05:01:04 <Leeds> because I'm not aware of anything, and I am a know-it-all
Nov 16 05:01:17 <ITechJunkie> Leeds: lol
Nov 16 05:01:28 <ITechJunkie> I guess i'll just have to take you're word for it
Nov 16 05:05:22 <tech9iner> possibly the first hiccup your wiki howto DarkriftX .. following # Type "telnetd\r" ON THE PHONE KEYBOARD .. and pressing enter i see output "not found" ?..
Nov 16 05:05:36 <tech9iner> DarkriftX, ignore & continue ?
Nov 16 05:06:03 <Leeds> tech9iner: did you actually type the \r?
Nov 16 05:06:09 <tech9iner> DarkriftX, dont have the simm card in this rc19 rma g1..
Nov 16 05:07:11 <Leeds> DarkriftX: little test to catch those who don't know enough to deserve root? ;-)
Nov 16 05:09:18 <Gary135791> (22:58:59) (tech9iner) i havent telnet into anything at all in years
Nov 16 05:09:25 <Gary135791> How do you forget how to telnet?
Nov 16 05:09:31 <Gary135791> telnet <insert IP here>
Nov 16 05:09:32 <Gary135791> profit
Nov 16 05:09:50 <tech9iner> http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1005478mi4.jpg Leeds
Nov 16 05:09:56 <tech9iner> yes is the answer..
Nov 16 05:09:57 <Gary135791> (23:01:30) (ITechJunkie) Hey guys, is there any way to use vlc to stream video to android?
Nov 16 05:10:02 <Gary135791> Probably not, but whats wrong with orb?
Nov 16 05:10:11 <Leeds> ha ha ha, fail!
Nov 16 05:10:18 <DarkriftX> tech9iner, that wiki somewhat assumes you know what to do with root, which assumes you know \r is a return
Nov 16 05:10:31 <DarkriftX> and i didnt write the wiki, i host it
Nov 16 05:10:32 <Gary135791> lol...
Nov 16 05:10:35 <DarkriftX> its written by the community
Nov 16 05:10:51 <DarkriftX> you type "telnetd" and hit enter
Nov 16 05:10:58 <tech9iner> aha.. like pos manpages eh DarkriftX .. lol.. written by geeks for geeks ASSumptively
Nov 16 05:10:59 <tech9iner> gotit
Nov 16 05:11:06 <ITechJunkie> Gary135791: how do I get orb for android?!
Nov 16 05:11:10 <Gary135791> tech9iner: why are you trying to start telnetd when you're already running it?
Nov 16 05:11:17 <Gary135791> ITechJunkie: IIRC they added it a couple days ago
Nov 16 05:11:19 <Gary135791> I haven't tried it
Nov 16 05:11:27 <Gary135791> just go to my.orb.com on your g1 I guess
Nov 16 05:11:49 <ITechJunkie> Gary135791: awesome, thanks
Nov 16 05:11:56 <wastrel> what's orb?
Nov 16 05:12:02 <Gary135791> tech9iner: If you don't know something this simple, root will probably screw up your g1 anyway.
Nov 16 05:13:01 <tech9iner> aye DarkriftX  the quotations round "telnetd\r" arent very clear to nongeeks huh..
Nov 16 05:13:09 <ITechJunkie> wastrel: media streamer, video, tv, music, whatever. to multiple devices
Nov 16 05:13:19 <DarkriftX> tech9iner, arent you a linux user?
Nov 16 05:13:54 <wastrel> hrm
Nov 16 05:13:57 <wastrel> i don't have any medai
Nov 16 05:13:57 <Gary135791> DarkriftX: Linux doesn't require common sense anymore, thanks to ubuntu!
Nov 16 05:13:58 <wastrel> media
Nov 16 05:14:02 <DarkriftX> lol
Nov 16 05:14:04 <wastrel> ubuntu <3
Nov 16 05:14:08 <DarkriftX> hey, i use *buntu :@
Nov 16 05:14:09 <wastrel> won't play my dvds tho
Nov 16 05:14:09 <ITechJunkie> wastrel: bummer
Nov 16 05:14:14 <Gary135791> I did too
Nov 16 05:14:21 <Gary135791> Love it, but it oversimplifies a lot imo
Nov 16 05:14:27 <DarkriftX> easiest to make look like windows so my wife would stop bitching about using it
Nov 16 05:14:30 <ITechJunkie> wastrel: I have ubuntu as well
Nov 16 05:14:50 <DarkriftX> besides those crap distros like lindows etc
Nov 16 05:14:57 <Gary135791> last time I used it, it fought with my thinkpad for days
Nov 16 05:14:59 <Gary135791> and I gave up
Nov 16 05:15:03 <DarkriftX> works great for me
Nov 16 05:15:04 <Gary135791> went to a slimmed down XP
Nov 16 05:15:19 * Damm hasn't used windows in about 2-3years
Nov 16 05:15:37 <wastrel> i haven't ever used windows as a primary OS
Nov 16 05:15:54 <Gary135791> Wine just still isn't good enough for me to make the switch. VMs are nice, but slow.
Nov 16 05:15:56 <Damm> I started with an Apple II, DOS.
Nov 16 05:15:59 <wastrel> appalingly ignorant about it given my job involves supporting it :]
Nov 16 05:16:01 <Leeds> I haven't used windows as a primary OS since 1998
Nov 16 05:16:02 <Damm> I used Windows for a short time
Nov 16 05:16:24 <Leeds> I have worked for two Unix vendors since then :-)
Nov 16 05:16:41 <elad> i work on windows every day
Nov 16 05:16:59 <elad> use it at home(xp) and vista ulti on my laptop ;/
Nov 16 05:17:23 <tech9iner> DarkriftX, yes i am.. quite adept at fedora core 1,2,3,4 then suse 9.2 thru to 11.. but all the while via 98% gui .. aside from zypper or yum command line package managers.. one THANKfully does not need to be some archaic command line god to run several mission critical businesses etc for 6+ years on linux.. its the reason tux distros have made so much headway last 2 years.. in spite of command line geek snobs that imply someone such
Nov 16 05:17:24 <tech9iner>  as me are somehow less capable or intelligent than those with binary perspectives ;]]
Nov 16 05:18:02 <tech9iner> DarkriftX, now.. thanks for asking hehe ;]]
Nov 16 05:18:07 <Gary135791> " one THANKfully does not need to be some archaic command line god to run several mission critical businesses etc for 6+ years on linux"
Nov 16 05:18:09 <Gary135791> hahaha what
Nov 16 05:18:27 <Gary135791> if you don't know that \r = return, I somehow doubt above statement
Nov 16 05:18:43 <KNY> yeah, wow. what servers do you run? I'd like to never use them...
Nov 16 05:19:03 <DarkriftX> wow
Nov 16 05:19:10 <Gary135791> Hell, even if you did, the fact that you're managing *nix servers, yet never touch the terminal scares me.
Nov 16 05:19:12 <DarkriftX> well good luck tech9iner, hope everything works out for you
Nov 16 05:21:48 <tech9iner> servers?.. lmao.. is that your 'linux for business professionals' perspective Gary135791? one has to run servers to use modern desktop linux distros for business purposes? this is utterly wrong.
Nov 16 05:22:43 <Gary135791> So, what do you use it for then.
Nov 16 05:22:51 <mattgyver83> anybody know of a good virtual keyboard app?
Nov 16 05:22:51 <Leeds> unix_infidel: the Hong Kong government spent over HK$3billion (US$400million) supporting the HKD... on this past Friday alone.
Nov 16 05:22:54 <tech9iner> i have never ever administrated servers directly sans godaddy account access for websites etc. laugh now for all the gods of *nix present ;]]
Nov 16 05:24:00 <Gary135791> (22:56:56) • Leeds remembers his ignore
Nov 16 05:24:17 <tech9iner> Gary135791, ?.. every aspect of my business for clients ie Penske FedEx JBHunt BMW and too many more to mention here? does every windows desktop user use server admins to run their business? no..
Nov 16 05:26:31 * tech9iner will be truly sad if this channel will be run amuck by the atypical geeks only snobs and not true community support & development for all that has kept bill gates richer than he should have been when tux had better safer alternatives for so many years. Torvalds has covered this for years now.
Nov 16 05:27:00 * KNY yawns
Nov 16 05:27:07 <SanMehat> tech9iner: do you have an android question I can help you with?
Nov 16 05:27:31 <Leeds> tech9iner: torvalds would tear you to shreds and leave your remains by the wayside - you ever read anything he wrote?
Nov 16 05:28:05 <Leeds> and that's my last words on the subject
Nov 16 05:28:56 <tech9iner> for years now Leeds .. im a fan of his.
Nov 16 05:29:51 <tech9iner> sadly many SanMehat ;].. but now java haus i have spent the day at is shuttering. thanks and more later. your offer is appreciated mate.
Nov 16 05:30:12 <SanMehat> tech9iner: np
Nov 16 05:33:42 <tech9iner> ciao all and thanks for the handups and info..
Nov 16 05:35:15 <Leeds> yay :-)
Nov 16 05:35:31 <SanMehat> now now.. :)
Nov 16 05:35:42 <wastrel> sigh
Nov 16 05:36:05 <SanMehat> wastrel: whats up?
Nov 16 05:36:58 <wastrel> heh wrong channel :]
Nov 16 05:41:53 <ITechJunkie> Orb is aWs00mE!
Nov 16 05:44:21 <mib_73b07k> hi
Nov 16 05:44:26 <mib_73b07k> question
Nov 16 05:44:28 <mib_73b07k> T.T
Nov 16 05:45:24 <wastrel> T.T is a question ?
Nov 16 05:47:54 <neekers> i think he went to take a tt and he was just letting us know
Nov 16 05:50:29 <kslater> If I want two spinners in a linear layout and I want them to each take up 1/2 the total width, what attributes allow me to do that?
Nov 16 05:50:57 <d03boy> gravity?
Nov 16 05:51:09 <d03boy> nevermind
Nov 16 05:51:23 <g1er> weight
Nov 16 05:53:25 <noodlyappendage> android:layout_width maybe
Nov 16 05:53:32 <g1er> android:layout_weight="1"; (in each layout to make them even, smaller the number larger percentage of the screen it takes up)
Nov 16 05:53:58 <kslater> gler: thanks. Looking for the details in the docs now
Nov 16 05:54:06 <kslater> g1er: sorry
Nov 16 05:54:22 <g1er> just learning the xml too :)
Nov 16 05:54:38 <noodlyappendage> ditto
Nov 16 05:55:54 <g1er> these are linearlayout http://amd.sonik.googlepages.com/apps
Nov 16 05:56:08 <d03boy> son of a bitch
Nov 16 05:56:10 <noodlyappendage> its good to see a number of people taking interest in andreoid dev
Nov 16 05:56:18 <d03boy> windows just friggin closed Eclipse because it was out of VM
Nov 16 05:56:33 <g1er> 12 components, from 1.25 weight to 6
Nov 16 05:56:45 <noodlyappendage> i know how to fix that
Nov 16 05:58:03 <noodlyappendage> install linux
Nov 16 05:58:28 <d03boy> haha
Nov 16 05:58:33 <wastrel> feh linux
Nov 16 05:58:36 <wastrel> i'm kindof sick of it
Nov 16 05:58:40 <d03boy> i have more linux than windows boxen
Nov 16 05:58:55 <p_quarles> because nothing bad happens when Linux runs out of swap . . .
Nov 16 05:59:04 <d03boy> p_quarles, haha no kidding
Nov 16 05:59:13 <d03boy> I purposely turned off my swap on windows because it thrashes too much
Nov 16 05:59:20 <d03boy> i just turned it back on because I need more ram
Nov 16 05:59:27 <noodlyappendage> because linux is less likely to in the first place
Nov 16 06:01:15 <d03boy> noodlyappendage, probably because there are less apps to run :P
Nov 16 06:01:21 <d03boy> so less memory needs to be used
Nov 16 06:02:43 <p_quarles> well Linux does have some memory handling advantages over at least XP; but ultimately Eclipse crashing is an Eclipse problem, not strictly the OS's issue
Nov 16 06:03:07 <d03boy> p_quarles, whats eclipse supposed to do if its not given access to any memory?
Nov 16 06:03:14 <d03boy> eat itself?
Nov 16 06:03:50 <p_quarles> d03boy: generally, it should tell the user that it's out of memory
Nov 16 06:04:00 <d03boy> true
Nov 16 06:04:08 <RyeBrye> and then tell you to change the ini file and up the Xmx
Nov 16 06:04:31 <d03boy> RyeBrye, i have paging turned off though...
Nov 16 06:04:48 <RyeBrye> ?
Nov 16 06:04:51 <d03boy> my os is not allowed to use swap
Nov 16 06:04:59 <RyeBrye> So, what does that have to do with eclipse?
Nov 16 06:05:02 <RyeBrye> It runs in a VM
Nov 16 06:05:07 <d03boy> the vm has no more memory
Nov 16 06:05:16 <RyeBrye> Well, then when it runs out, it bombs
Nov 16 06:05:35 <RyeBrye> and tell you "the workspace has run out of memory because eclipse eats RAM like a fat kid eats donuts - would you like to quit?"
Nov 16 06:05:54 <RyeBrye> Or maybe a different message depending upon your localization
Nov 16 06:06:08 <p_quarles> RyeBrye: I go with the classics: "lp0 on fire"
Nov 16 06:07:02 <RyeBrye> d03boy - how did you determine your Xmx setting for eclipse?
Nov 16 06:07:24 <d03boy> i didnt
Nov 16 06:07:27 <RyeBrye> ok
Nov 16 06:07:48 <d03boy> a message popped up on my computer saying windows was out of virtual memory
Nov 16 06:07:52 <d03boy> and 2 seconds later eclipse dies
Nov 16 06:08:38 <RyeBrye> Hmm... That shouldn't really happen unless I suppose it was trying to grow its heap because windows lied to it when it started about how much memory it would be able to grab - but I've not had that problem because I don't use windows
Nov 16 06:09:51 <RyeBrye> You coudl modify it to make Xmx and Xms the same so it doesn't grow or shrink its heap and just grabs it all at the startup
Nov 16 06:10:45 <d03boy> i wasnt even running anything
Nov 16 06:10:51 <d03boy> just using the editor in eclipse
Nov 16 06:10:59 <d03boy> thing eats memory like crazy
Nov 16 06:12:24 <RyeBrye> yeah, I hate eclipse
Nov 16 06:12:39 <d03boy> it used to be awesome
Nov 16 06:12:53 <RyeBrye> I'm not sure it's ever been better than IntelliJ
Nov 16 06:14:22 <d03boy> <Button id="@+id/status"
Nov 16 06:14:24 <d03boy> does that look ok?
Nov 16 06:14:27 <d03boy> eclipse is whining
Nov 16 06:14:39 <noodlyappendage> do3boy you should watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zEQhhaJsU4 for inspiration.
Nov 16 06:15:19 <d03boy> ok
Nov 16 06:15:36 <d03boy> lol
Nov 16 06:15:44 <d03boy> i hate steve ballmer
Nov 16 06:16:37 <d03boy> but that is a great song
Nov 16 06:17:12 <d03boy> The application X (process org.X) has stopped unexpectedly. Please try again.
Nov 16 06:25:33 <Davin> ello... anyone alive?
Nov 16 06:26:00 <d03boy> no
Nov 16 06:26:10 <Davin> whew, thats good =)
Nov 16 06:26:21 <Davin> anyone done any work with ssl sockets?
Nov 16 06:27:43 <Davin> aka: socketFactory.setHostnameVerifier(new AllowAllHostnameVerifier());
Nov 16 06:33:33 <Leeds> ah, that's interesting
Nov 16 06:34:21 <Leeds> Davin: seen people in here before getting upset because they were told they were using an unverified hostname :-)
Nov 16 06:37:08 <d03boy> why wont my app run. it crashes on load
Nov 16 06:37:12 <Davin> yea.... its an irritating bug/lack of feature =P
Nov 16 06:37:46 <Davin> there seems to be no global certificate store for non-root certs
Nov 16 06:39:12 <Davin> do3boy: throw a Log.d message on your exceptions =P  need more info than that
Nov 16 06:39:35 <Davin> or look at your stacktrace
Nov 16 06:40:03 <d03boy> maybe its because I havent configured the manifest at all
Nov 16 06:40:30 <Davin> thats a good place to start mate =)
Nov 16 06:41:40 <Davin> permissions failure are sometimes a little cryptic... since they just throw an exception
Nov 16 06:46:20 <Davin> so... Im trying to write an ms_exchange mail client... as you guessed, im hung up on the invalid ssl cert
Nov 16 06:46:45 <Davin> i think i have the ntlm authentication licked, but... cant tell till im past the ssl deal
Nov 16 06:46:58 <Leeds> ew, ntlm
Nov 16 06:47:20 <Davin> aye...  nasty =P
Nov 16 06:47:45 <Davin> so... i wait for my new exchange server to install, that i can disable ssl on =P
Nov 16 06:47:53 <ionstorm> is the screen hardware on the g1 multitouch capable?
Nov 16 06:48:05 <Davin> no, i dont belive it is
Nov 16 06:48:15 <ionstorm> is it just a software limitation?
Nov 16 06:48:43 <Leeds> no, I don't believe it is
Nov 16 06:48:53 <Davin> i "think" its hardware....
Nov 16 06:49:29 <Davin> its using the default synaptics drivers... so i doubt it is
Nov 16 06:52:10 <ionstorm> I think the hardware is capable
Nov 16 06:54:01 <Leeds> on what basis?
Nov 16 06:55:23 <ionstorm> patents
Nov 16 06:56:43 <Leeds> right...
Nov 16 06:56:55 <ionstorm> i heard the ability wont be implemented until the patents expire somewhere
Nov 16 06:57:06 <Zelig_> Has anyone fiddled with the accelerometers in an app that's making sounds? \
Nov 16 06:57:18 <Leeds> so another 22 years or something like that?
Nov 16 06:57:37 <ionstorm> "As the only touch interface company in the Alliance, Synaptics is
Nov 16 06:57:37 <ionstorm> providing mobile handset designers with a powerful yet easy-to-use
Nov 16 06:57:37 <ionstorm> tool to develop advanced, multi-touch gestures for the Android
Nov 16 06:57:37 <ionstorm> platform"
Nov 16 06:58:07 <Leeds> and why do you think that tells you anything about the HTC Dream device?
Nov 16 06:58:55 <ionstorm> I looked at the touch events example code and multi-touch might be supported as soon as we can associate the specific touch event instance with an action in the code. In order to do so, Android would have to provide the developer a touch event with some kind of a unique id or make it possible to track the events by ourselves (what is the position of the new action down and up event).
Nov 16 06:59:20 <Leeds> and why do you think that tells you anything about the HTC Dream device?
Nov 16 06:59:51 <ionstorm> the screen notices too touches when messing with certain things
Nov 16 06:59:59 <Leeds> have you noticed from the docs that android supports a device with a tricoder attachment being used on the death star?
Nov 16 06:59:59 <ionstorm> like the notification bar
Nov 16 07:01:18 <Leeds> eh, afk
Nov 16 07:03:12 <ionstorm> some interesting info http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/technology/gestures/egr
Nov 16 07:03:44 <RyeBrye> Yeah, but that doesn't say anything about the specific hardware in the G1
Nov 16 07:03:48 <ionstorm> im pretty sure all their touch screens are multitouch capable, if the g1 uses synaptics then i think its capable
Nov 16 07:04:01 <ionstorm> does it use synaptics?
Nov 16 07:04:17 <RyeBrye> It uses the synaptics driver - but that doesn't necessarily mean they use synaptics hardware
Nov 16 07:04:30 <RyeBrye> I have a touch screen that's not my synaptics that I use the synaptics driver for
Nov 16 07:04:35 <RyeBrye> s/my/by/
Nov 16 07:04:36 <infobot> RyeBrye meant: I have a touch screen that's not by synaptics that I use the synaptics driver for
Nov 16 07:05:53 <RyeBrye> I think having a multitouch screen would be such a big selling feature that they would have been bonkers to not mention it
Nov 16 07:06:35 <ionstorm> http://www.cellfanatic.com/2008/10/02/t-mobile-g1-touchscreen-powered-by-synaptics im not sure if this is regarding the hardware or the driver
Nov 16 07:06:39 <ionstorm> or both
Nov 16 07:08:15 <RyeBrye> sounds like it is talking about the hardware there
Nov 16 07:08:32 <ITechJunkie> Hey guys, has anyone figured out a way to get Orb working with shoutcast tv?
Nov 16 07:10:45 <ionstorm> im pretty sure its just not programmed in, i think it will be added to android in the future, they are probably coming up with ideas for gestures
Nov 16 07:11:06 <RyeBrye> It sounds like the gestures are done in the hardware not the software
Nov 16 07:11:20 <Davin> meh... android is incomplete.. but not that incomplete =P
Nov 16 07:11:22 <RyeBrye> EGR gives customers the option to enable single-finger gestures (i.e., Tap, Double Tap, Pinch, Press, and Flick) as well as multi-finger gestures (e.g., Pinch) directly from Synaptics' touch module. No additional recognition software is required on the host processor to implement these gestures.
Nov 16 07:12:19 <spikebike> ryebrye so that means what?
Nov 16 07:12:24 <spikebike> and what is EGR?
Nov 16 07:13:22 <ionstorm> Enhanced Gesture Recognition
Nov 16 07:13:37 <ionstorm> http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/technology/gestures/egr
Nov 16 07:14:07 <RyeBrye> It means that it sounds like IF the screen in the G1 has it, the gestures would be done at the hardware level and passed to the host
Nov 16 07:14:32 <RyeBrye> which seems a little od
Nov 16 07:14:33 <RyeBrye> d
Nov 16 07:15:25 <spikebike> I have to say that in general many of the value add features in the embedded space do not end up implemented
Nov 16 07:15:37 <spikebike> I'm not sure if it's just the cost of implementing or licensing
Nov 16 07:16:00 <spikebike> i.e. bitblt in the cpu, jazelle for java acceleration, secure mode, etc.
Nov 16 07:16:27 <spikebike> but I'd love to hear that the chip in the g1 has EGR, did the g1 bgreakdown include the list of chips in the g1?
Nov 16 07:16:42 <Davin> generaly speaking... its usualy due to the footprint of said feature... thats probably not the case in the G1 tho
Nov 16 07:16:43 <RyeBrye> the EGR is on the touchscreen
Nov 16 07:17:04 <spikebike> egr is in the g1 touchscreen?
Nov 16 07:17:33 <RyeBrye> Oh, not sure if it is - but if it was anywhere it'd be in the touchscreen
Nov 16 07:17:36 <Davin> egr is a feature of the touchscreen...  not the g1 chipset
Nov 16 07:17:57 <spikebike> ok, but is egr a feature of the g1 touchscreen?
Nov 16 07:18:07 <Davin> unknown.. but unlikely
Nov 16 07:18:33 <Davin> on an unrelated note... hows chromes "plugin" support?
Nov 16 07:18:47 <unix_infidel> chrome or G1 browser.
Nov 16 07:18:54 <ionstorm> egr is in the screen to have the ability of any of those gestures
Nov 16 07:18:59 <ionstorm> it said it itself
Nov 16 07:19:03 <Davin> good point... g1 browser
Nov 16 07:19:07 <ionstorm> flick tap double tap etc
Nov 16 07:19:41 <Davin> have a cool idea, unrelated to my current project... a "tilt to scroll" option
Nov 16 07:20:02 <RyeBrye> That could be cool
Nov 16 07:20:04 <Davin> would be great while im googleing in the car
Nov 16 07:20:12 <RyeBrye> if there was some way to indicate you wanted to use it or not
Nov 16 07:20:37 <Davin> yea... would have to be an option to enable... cus it would just be annoying sometimes
Nov 16 07:20:42 <RyeBrye> maybe tilt to scroll if you are pushing the camera button or something
Nov 16 07:20:50 <unix_infidel> a zoom gesture like those on synaptics touchpads would be nice.
Nov 16 07:21:12 <RyeBrye> I don't know what ChiralRotate is - but it sounds exotic
Nov 16 07:21:41 <Davin> it sounds like something you might catch from an unsavory one night stand...
Nov 16 07:21:57 <RyeBrye> "Synaptics excels in gestures and multi-touch technology, and has a growing library of solutions that can be integrated in our human interfaces. Enhanced Gesture Recognition (EGR), Flick, Two-finger Flick, ChiralMotion™, and ChiralRotate™ all put new functionality at the user’s fingertips. "
Nov 16 07:22:46 <RyeBrye> It's kind of interesting to think about the Newton now in todays technology landscape... I wonder if a handwriting-recognition based device would ever do well
Nov 16 07:23:03 <RyeBrye> I think the answer is "probably not"
Nov 16 07:23:04 <Davin> ehh... think "palm"
Nov 16 07:23:21 <RyeBrye> Palm never tried handwritng recognition, they licensed Grafiti
Nov 16 07:23:50 <Davin> its an awfull similar concept tho =P
Nov 16 07:23:59 <RyeBrye> The newton you would just write like normal and it would recognize it
Nov 16 07:24:14 <Davin> and windows mobile has had it for years... tho never used
Nov 16 07:24:34 <RyeBrye> Yeah, I guess I'm sometimes just nostalgic for the Newton :)
Nov 16 07:25:04 <Davin> when all human kind can write legibly, and faster than typing... handwriting recognition might take off
Nov 16 07:25:15 <Davin> aka: neva
Nov 16 07:26:07 <Davin> i see nural interfaces taking off first =)
Nov 16 07:33:11 <unix_infidel> RyeBrye: take a look at the synaptics drivers for the G1
Nov 16 07:33:19 <unix_infidel> notice the stuff commented out ;-)
Nov 16 07:33:19 <d03boy> alright. Before I sleep I want to have this simple UI finished. Who can help me out?
Nov 16 07:34:27 <unix_infidel> it's a software thing i'm guessing, they just threw it out because of pending patent stuff, they just didnt have the time to come up with their own gestures ;-)
Nov 16 07:37:13 <g1er> what kind of help d03boy?
Nov 16 07:38:30 <d03boy> g1er, my crap crashes lol
Nov 16 07:38:57 <d03boy> im not sure what i changed
Nov 16 07:39:55 <g1er> ah, you're messing with the java stuff huh?
Nov 16 07:40:07 <d03boy> ya
Nov 16 07:40:35 * g1er heads back to the 'only knows xml' corner..
Nov 16 07:41:27 <d03boy> actually I think it is xml
Nov 16 07:41:32 <d03boy> i havent really touched the java stuff
Nov 16 07:41:51 <g1er> ah! eclipse isn't telling you anything?
Nov 16 07:42:10 <d03boy> ofcourse not
Nov 16 07:42:13 <d03boy> eclipse never does anything useful
Nov 16 07:43:42 <g1er> you know what file it's in? can u pastebin?
Nov 16 07:46:21 <d03boy> ya hold up
Nov 16 07:46:26 <d03boy> writing an article abotu teh "stanky leg"
Nov 16 07:49:13 <captain_> how do I format the my 4gb sdfc card for the g1?
Nov 16 07:49:17 <captain_> *sdhc
Nov 16 07:57:36 <RyeBrye> mkfs.msdos -F 32
Nov 16 07:59:16 <RyeBrye> unix_infidel  - if you uncomment it and throw debug statements in it  for the different gestures, does it output anything?
Nov 16 08:03:07 <unix_infidel> RyeBrye: give it a try ;-)
Nov 16 08:04:16 <RyeBrye> I might
Nov 16 08:04:29 <RyeBrye> it already has printk stuff in it
Nov 16 08:05:53 <mattgyver83> does browser download to SD?
Nov 16 08:06:12 <RyeBrye> next time I compile my kernel, I will try playing with that stuff
Nov 16 08:08:04 <d03boy> ok im back and black
Nov 16 08:11:43 <g1er> mattgyver83: yup
Nov 16 08:12:09 <mattgyver83> is there a way to change the path on the card?
Nov 16 08:14:15 <d03boy> sorry, I was busy doing the Stanky Leg
Nov 16 08:15:40 <g1er> tryin to memorize this ---> http://code.google.com/android/reference/classes.html 8|
Nov 16 08:16:01 <unix_infidel> g1er: heh, there is javadoc ;-)
Nov 16 08:29:06 <g1er> gtg, thx unix_infidel. I'm new to all this :)
Nov 16 08:30:54 <ka_> howdy, all!
Nov 16 08:32:11 <languish> yakitori was a sucess
Nov 16 08:32:18 <languish> bar after even more so
Nov 16 08:32:38 <languish> too bad more guys weren't with us
Nov 16 08:33:13 <languish> the girls we met = more than the guys with us
Nov 16 09:50:02 <tripps> so here's my $64k question - when is the google voice search app going to be available for the android?
Nov 16 09:53:22 <Leeds> when it's written?
Nov 16 09:54:18 <tripps> Leeds, well it's written for the iphone, so I presume porting it to android wouldn't require a complete rewrite?
Nov 16 09:54:46 <languish> tripps, do you mean "android" or do you mean "the g1" ?
Nov 16 09:55:18 <tripps> languish, well I presume if written for android it would function on the g1. correct?
Nov 16 09:55:43 <languish> function, but released for...?
Nov 16 09:55:51 <languish> that's up to t-mobile.
Nov 16 09:56:40 <ionstorm> yea how does google plan on updating individual google apps, upgrading the firmware?
Nov 16 09:56:43 <tripps> languish, well yes in my case the G1. i thought the OHA had clauses in it to prevent the carriers from futzing/having prohibitions on stuff.
Nov 16 09:57:19 <languish> ionstorm, some apps can be independantly updated, others, will need to be updated with an OTA/patch/firmware update
Nov 16 09:57:55 <languish> they have both technical issues, and legal ones to consider
Nov 16 09:57:56 <tripps> languish, of course it would have to be written first for android. would this be an OTA firmware type app or a market app, then?
Nov 16 09:58:04 <ionstorm> any ideas about google docs for mobile editing capability?
Nov 16 09:58:08 <ionstorm> or is that a never
Nov 16 09:58:21 <languish> <tripps> languish, well yes in my case the G1. i thought the OHA had clauses in it to prevent the carriers from futzing/having prohibitions on stuff.
Nov 16 09:58:31 <languish> on the G1, T-Mobile decides all.
Nov 16 09:58:36 <languish> It's T-Mobiles device
Nov 16 09:58:39 <languish> period.
Nov 16 09:58:47 <Leeds> mine isn't
Nov 16 09:58:58 <languish> (aside from rooting/jailbreaking it)
Nov 16 09:59:06 * tripps wishes all these devices were merely sold unlocked and cut all the BS out of it ;)
Nov 16 09:59:27 <languish> unlocked is not the same as completely ipen source, or open hardware
Nov 16 09:59:32 <languish> *open
Nov 16 09:59:46 <languish> unlocked only means it can be used with another carrier
Nov 16 09:59:48 <tripps> this is my fifth smart phone with t-mobile and the first actual t-mobile phone. all my treos and nokias were bought unlocked off the shelf
Nov 16 10:00:25 <languish> unlocked is not a big deal. you can get just about any handset unlocked.
Nov 16 10:00:48 <tripps> languish, right. then it wouldn't be t-mobiles to control. right?
Nov 16 10:01:01 <languish> ahh... not exactly
Nov 16 10:01:18 <languish> your updates would still come from t-mobile.
Nov 16 10:01:27 <spikebike> heh, well amusing there's source or lack or, root or lack of, and the freedom to switch networks (or lack of)
Nov 16 10:01:28 <languish> or not at all
Nov 16 10:01:44 <languish> so you'd have to root the device, or live with the last update you received
Nov 16 10:01:57 <tripps> languish, gotcha. i wonder if there will eventually be a central ota repo for unlocked android devices
Nov 16 10:02:18 <languish> maybe, in the future
Nov 16 10:02:37 <languish> but remember, the individual devices may have different driver needs
Nov 16 10:02:58 <languish> the G1 has proprietary (closed source) drivers for certain hardware
Nov 16 10:03:20 <languish> on openmoko, well.. android would be completely "open" in the sense you wish the G1 was
Nov 16 10:03:29 <tripps> after all, my machine is xpc, carrier is phonoscope, distro is linux but all my updates come from the repos and not from hardware or carrier . . . eventually the phones will merely be handheld computers in that manner I suppose
Nov 16 10:03:50 <languish> yep, one day
Nov 16 10:03:56 <languish> hopefully sooner than later
Nov 16 10:03:57 <tripps> s/linux/ubuntu
Nov 16 10:04:01 <tripps> right
Nov 16 10:04:09 <languish> which is sort of what google is aiming for
Nov 16 10:04:15 <tripps> exactly
Nov 16 10:04:15 <languish> they got their foot in the door
Nov 16 10:04:37 <tripps> perhaps a sneak attack. the carriers don't know exactly what they've gotten themselves into ;)
Nov 16 10:04:50 <languish> but the carriers and hardware manufacturers are still too uptight/conservative
Nov 16 10:04:57 <languish> they know
Nov 16 10:05:05 <languish> they;re "seeing how it goes"
Nov 16 10:05:16 <languish> they already have "open" devices on some of their networks
Nov 16 10:05:54 <languish> but the real issue is their concern for keeping the network stable, in case of a severely misconfigured device, or badly developed app
Nov 16 10:06:06 <languish> (or intentionally destrictive app)
Nov 16 10:06:23 <tripps> right I suppose that's a legitimate concern
Nov 16 10:06:27 <languish> verses their potential revenue stream from "managed" devices
Nov 16 10:07:07 <languish> they ave legitimate concerns, but they're still asshats about how they usually handle them
Nov 16 10:07:30 <tripps> no doubt
Nov 16 10:07:39 <languish> googles taking the high slow road to dealing with it, but...
Nov 16 10:07:50 <tripps> the writing's on the wall. they can go the way of the typewriter or get with the program
Nov 16 10:07:57 <languish> well
Nov 16 10:08:01 <languish> not necessarily
Nov 16 10:08:12 <languish> if the experiment fails..
Nov 16 10:08:25 <languish> they can turn around and point and say "see this doesn't work"
Nov 16 10:08:29 <languish> but..
Nov 16 10:08:39 <tripps> didn't google secure its purchase of craploads of spectrum?
Nov 16 10:08:42 <languish> new technologies may outdate them anyway
Nov 16 10:08:53 <languish> no, google didn't buy the spectrum
Nov 16 10:08:57 <tripps> mm
Nov 16 10:09:15 <tripps> supposed that was a hedge or something else entirely?
Nov 16 10:09:20 <languish> they just ensured some part of it was available to alternative devices
Nov 16 10:09:42 <languish> that carriers had to allow non destructive devices on their networks
Nov 16 10:09:47 <languish> like the G1
Nov 16 10:10:01 <tripps> gotcha
Nov 16 10:10:02 <languish> or openmoko
Nov 16 10:10:48 <languish> that doesn't mean the carriers have to do it for free
Nov 16 10:10:55 <languish> but this whole whitespaces issue...
Nov 16 10:11:05 <languish> might rectify the problem of carrier controls
Nov 16 10:11:41 <languish> <languish> like the G1 <- was a bad example since the G1 is a carrier device
Nov 16 10:12:01 <tripps> right
Nov 16 10:12:38 <tripps> and i suppose verizon is still on the fence about it? and sprint thinks "android isn't good enough?"
Nov 16 10:12:44 <languish> but now you can still bring your standards compliant open source hardware device to the party
Nov 16 10:13:18 <languish> sorint just isn; in a position to take adavtage of it yet, but they're all for it. so for now they're spindoctoring
Nov 16 10:13:44 <languish> verizon, who knows
Nov 16 10:14:12 <tripps> i know M$ is negotiating aggressively to get verizon
Nov 16 10:16:29 <languish> well getting a device on verizon isn't the same thing as getting verizon to go tiwht them exclusively
Nov 16 10:17:18 <languish> it should be interesting to see what microsoft does
Nov 16 10:17:31 <tripps> yeah M$ plays for keeps :)
Nov 16 10:17:47 <languish> microsoft is just trying to keep up right now
Nov 16 10:18:07 <languish> they own danger now, but much of dangers talent went elsewhere. partly to android
Nov 16 10:18:27 <tripps> ?danger
Nov 16 10:18:39 <languish> danger = hiptop/sidekick
Nov 16 10:18:44 <tripps> ah
Nov 16 10:19:38 <languish> i think their purchase of danger was a poor decision, but they may have something in mind, we'll just have to wait and see
Nov 16 11:54:31 <blau> hmm
Nov 16 11:55:03 <blau> do i have to do anything special to get vibration output in logcat
Nov 16 11:58:05 <blau> and even if you have vibrate off, the phone still vibrates if you have the vibrate mode profile on
Nov 16 12:02:46 <SplasPood> Profile?
Nov 16 12:03:05 <SplasPood> Managing rings/vibrate properly with android is still a bit of a mystery to me
Nov 16 12:06:27 <blau> like the +/- on an actual g1
Nov 16 12:06:36 <blau> where it lowers volume, then hits vibrat emode then hits silent
Nov 16 12:06:51 <blau> you can uncheck invcoming call vibrate in settings but it still vibrates
Nov 16 12:06:57 <SplasPood> ahh
Nov 16 12:07:12 <SplasPood> yea, I it really seems like this stuff is scattered all over
Nov 16 12:07:17 <SplasPood> s/I//
Nov 16 12:07:17 <infobot> SplasPood meant: yea,  it really seems like this stuff is scattered all over
Nov 16 12:07:29 <SplasPood> oh, that's cute
Nov 16 12:07:50 <blau> ol
Nov 16 12:10:40 <blau> i cant see vibration logs in logcat but i see like a billion people on google able to
Nov 16 12:24:04 <vijay> hi is there a direct link for android source code? ....... im behing a firewall of institute and cant download it
Nov 16 12:24:14 <vijay> through git
Nov 16 12:24:33 <vijay> if someone could share that would be of great help
Nov 16 12:25:23 <vijay> i want to compile it for my beagleboard  .....
Nov 16 12:26:54 <vijay> how big is the complete source?
Nov 16 12:27:12 <blau> 2 gigish
Nov 16 12:28:20 <blau> grrr there appears to be no way to cancel a listener for phone calls
Nov 16 12:28:52 <gambler> really? I guess you will have to do bool ignore;
Nov 16 12:29:20 <vijay> 2 gigs? its so big ............ are there any snapshots available for direct download?
Nov 16 12:30:02 <blau> oh wait there is nevermind
Nov 16 12:31:05 <kRutOn> vijay: try transconnect
Nov 16 12:31:25 <blau> To unregister a listener, pass the listener object and set the events argument to LISTEN_NONE (0).
Nov 16 12:31:25 <blau> Parameters
Nov 16 12:31:25 <blau> listener	The PhoneStateListener object to register (or unregister)
Nov 16 12:31:38 <kRutOn>  vijay: Some people in China have been using that to download the source code
Nov 16 12:32:18 <kRutOn>  vijay: Or you can go to the individual projects, click "tree", and then click "snapshot"
Nov 16 12:32:33 <blau> wonder if it has to be the same listener or just same class
Nov 16 12:32:49 <kRutOn>  vijay: For instance, see the snapshot link under http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/frameworks/base.git;a=tree
Nov 16 12:33:39 <tauno> vijay, http://android.git.kernel.org/ -> http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/frameworks/base.git;a=snapshot for example
Nov 16 12:34:15 <tauno> I'm too slow :(
Nov 16 12:34:31 <kRutOn> I'll pretend you were typing that over an EDGE network
Nov 16 12:34:54 <kRutOn> Which means you could have possibly typed it 5 minutes ago and the packets are just now arriving.
Nov 16 12:38:08 <vijay> sould i checkout the complete base.git? for compiling android ........ is there any thing else i need
Nov 16 12:38:09 <vijay> http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/frameworks/base.git;a=tree
Nov 16 12:39:16 <kRutOn> vijay: I believe you need everything mentioned in the manifest
Nov 16 12:39:19 <kRutOn> http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/manifest.git;a=tree
Nov 16 12:45:59 <blau> grrr, phonecall listener needs the exact same number
Nov 16 12:47:04 <blau> object
Nov 16 13:16:29 <vijay> @kRutOn .......... thats lots of stuff to download ........ i dont know how much time it will take :( with my 10kbps speed
Nov 16 13:38:39 <kRutOn>  wow.. 10kbps is.. slow
Nov 16 16:40:09 <Disconnect> anyone got a simple example of a standard listview? the docs i'm finding either cover the simplelistview thing that takes a db cursor or super custom wacky ones. i just need a basic listview :)
Nov 16 16:57:23 <tauno> What's up with the download in Market? If I try to download the "PAC-MAN" thingie, then it alerts me with "Download declined. The download of .... was declined because you haven't purchased it." <- were'nt apps suposed to be free? Or isn't this a Market app dialog?
Nov 16 16:57:34 <tauno> wrong place for the '
Nov 16 17:01:47 <Disconnect> tauno: it goes back and forth. that one is a pita.
Nov 16 17:05:58 <d0nets> lol someones comment about the telnet client on the market says "rm -rf /"
Nov 16 17:20:18 <tauno> Disconnect, so the Market app is buggy? (or the backend)
Nov 16 17:28:24 <KNY> tauno, I would guess that app is buggy
Nov 16 17:28:34 <KNY> I installed it without problem
Nov 16 17:29:07 <KNY> I would guess they wrote in the for-pay functionality but disabled it until the Market gets the ability to charge, but something causes it to re-enable itself for some people
Nov 16 17:53:11 <tauno> KNY, k
Nov 16 17:53:27 <blau> does logcat sitll show vibration?
Nov 16 17:53:36 <tauno> what's the de facto standard app for reading qrcodes on Android?
Nov 16 17:54:07 <tauno> ZXing?
Nov 16 17:56:06 <blau> http://code.google.com/p/zxing/
Nov 16 17:57:08 <tauno> found "Barcode scanner (ZXing Team)" from market.. let's give it a try then :)
Nov 16 18:01:53 <mattgyver83> When i try to download some mp3 files through browser i get 'download unsuccessful' does anyone know why this might be?
Nov 16 18:02:04 <mattgyver83> i can download anything else
Nov 16 18:05:30 <blau> grrr
Nov 16 18:05:32 <tauno> the builtin browser assumes that you are a thief I guess :/
Nov 16 18:05:43 <blau> i cant get lofcat to show vibration
Nov 16 18:06:08 <tauno> just kidding.. I think it has to be a bug ;)
Nov 16 18:06:36 <p_quarles> mattgyver83: the browser has trouble with dynamic content -- file parameters that point to a dynamic file won't download correctly, I've noticed
Nov 16 18:07:28 <tauno> (the barcode scanner that I tried worked just fine.. it's just the camera that doesn't allow it to scan small codes printed on various products :( )
Nov 16 18:08:40 <blau> tried to make a custom vibration for phone calls but it didnt work grr
Nov 16 18:09:39 <mattgyver83> p_quarels, if you had root w/busybox setup would wget be a sufficient workaround, or would it be the same issue?
Nov 16 18:21:36 <blau> rarr
Nov 16 19:02:16 <Smoke777Screen> Hi everyone
Nov 16 19:02:50 <wastrel> the included earbuds don't fit me well
Nov 16 19:02:53 <wastrel> h8n
Nov 16 19:02:59 <Smoke777Screen> Anybody know whether there is a free file manager for Android out there? Crazy that one isn't included
Nov 16 19:03:44 <offby1> pretty sure there's one in the Market, under Applications
Nov 16 19:03:48 <offby1> can't remember what it's called
Nov 16 19:04:34 <Smoke777Screen> um stupid question but how do I get to the market :) I'm using the emulator
Nov 16 19:04:41 <offby1> oh.
Nov 16 19:04:47 <offby1> dunno if that's in the emulator or not.
Nov 16 19:04:49 <offby1> lemme check
Nov 16 19:05:01 <DarkriftX> nope
Nov 16 19:05:04 <DarkriftX> no market in emulator
Nov 16 19:05:42 <offby1> "Android File Manager" by nylinda.com
Nov 16 19:05:45 <Smoke777Screen> :( the only apk of a file manager I could find gives me an error message when I try install it using adb
Nov 16 19:06:15 <offby1> there might be others, too; that's just the first one I found
Nov 16 19:06:40 <Smoke777Screen> any way of accessing the sdcard from Windows
Nov 16 19:06:49 <wastrel> hrm
Nov 16 19:06:50 <Smoke777Screen> I know you can put stuff on
Nov 16 19:06:59 <wastrel> so if i want to listen to streaming content how do i go about doing that?
Nov 16 19:07:16 <offby1> Smoke777Screen: I've never gotten Windows to recognize the card.  This is the one case I know of where Linux works unequivocally better than Windows :)
Nov 16 19:07:28 <offby1> Smoke777Screen: http://afm.nylinda.com/
Nov 16 19:07:44 <Smoke777Screen> offby1: Yeah was just there
Nov 16 19:08:13 <Smoke777Screen> offby1: They're selling it for $10
Nov 16 19:09:04 <Smoke777Screen>  offby1: I'll have to make a plan for my demo
Nov 16 19:09:11 <Smoke777Screen>  offby1: thanks for the help
Nov 16 19:11:41 <Smoke777Screen>  Found a trial version of the File Manager at http://www.mobile2day.com/en/product_1432651_details.html
Nov 16 19:12:12 <offby1> I'd have thought that any app that my phone could download, could be easily downloaded by a normal browser.
Nov 16 19:13:36 <Smoke777Screen> does the market just a web page or an app on the G1
Nov 16 19:14:30 <wastrel> i need an adapter so i can use my good earbuds - any recommendations?
Nov 16 19:15:16 <offby1> Smoke777Screen: I didn't understand your question.
Nov 16 19:16:20 <Smoke777Screen> offby1: you said you could download using your phones browser so why not a normal one. I was wondering if you were refering to downloading from the Android Market and if so what is the URL
Nov 16 19:18:25 <offby1> oh, I didn't mean that I could download using my phone's _browser_; I just meant that the "Market" app was able to download them.  But I'd be surprised if the Market app were not doing a simple http GET.
Nov 16 19:20:02 <mikey|> hello all, I have a textview with android:autoLink set to web|email. When I enter a web or email addy, it doesn't linkify it. When I rotate and then restore to original orientation, it does link them. Any ideas why it doesn't work properly?
Nov 16 19:21:09 <Smoke777Screen> offby1: yeah
Nov 16 19:27:58 <tauno> mikey| are you setting the value of the TextView also in xml?
Nov 16 19:28:20 <mikey|> no, just autoLink value
Nov 16 19:28:25 <mikey|> the data is added later
Nov 16 19:29:13 <mikey|> tauno: when you say value, do you mean android:text?
Nov 16 19:29:54 <tauno> yes, the content of the TextView :)
Nov 16 19:30:19 <tauno> eg android:text from xml or textView.setText() from code
Nov 16 19:30:35 <mikey|> originally I use setText, then I use append()
Nov 16 19:31:13 <tauno> and the links are added by the append()?
Nov 16 19:32:38 <mikey|> do I need to run the text via the linkify class when appending text?
Nov 16 19:33:00 <mikey|> append doesnt link the text, but when changing and restoring orientation, the text is linked
Nov 16 19:34:00 <tauno> I mean are the links added in append .. like append("something www.something.com") or do you add the links in setText("something www.something.com")?
Nov 16 19:35:08 <mikey|> it takes input from the user via an edittext and then uses append() to append that text onto the textview
Nov 16 19:35:33 <mikey|> i put in http://www.google.com, no link
Nov 16 19:36:30 <tauno> just a test - try to call textView.setText(textView.getText()) AFTER you append something to it
Nov 16 19:36:57 <tauno> just add it to the next line after your append() call
Nov 16 19:37:45 <mikey|> still nothing
Nov 16 19:38:49 <tauno> ok, then it's not a bug in TextViews append() at least I guess :)
Nov 16 19:49:20 <tauno> mikey| I tried to make a simple test application -> if I just use textView.append(" www.google.com "); then the text WON'T be linkified. If I do textView.append(" www.google.com "); textView.setText(textView.getText()); then it DOES linkify stuff..
Nov 16 19:49:49 <mikey|> strange...
Nov 16 19:49:59 <mikey|> i tried that line of code, but it didnt work for me
Nov 16 19:50:11 <mikey|> the code worked, it just didnt do the links
Nov 16 19:52:08 <tauno> strange indeed. sure that you called textView.setText(textView.getText()); after you appended stuff to it? :) (and sure that it's the right textview etc..?)
Nov 16 19:52:15 <tauno> just to be sure doublecheck it :)
Nov 16 19:53:12 <mikey|> i'll try it again
Nov 16 19:54:38 <mikey|> nope, still didnt link it
Nov 16 19:54:40 <tauno> it's just that: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1244&can=1&q=append&colspec=ID%20Type%20Version%20Security%20Status%20Owner%20Summary
Nov 16 19:55:34 <tauno> but in your case it has to be something other then
Nov 16 19:55:57 <mikey|> i'm using an edittext which sends the input text to a handler, the handler method using Message.obj.toString(), and appends that. Could that be an issue?
Nov 16 19:57:06 <mikey|> i stuck setText(http://www.google.com) as the first thing my app does, and it does link it then
Nov 16 20:17:30 <Gain> hi
Nov 16 20:17:45 <Gain> when developing apps in eclipse is there someway to avoid continuously booting up the phone when debugging your app
Nov 16 20:17:52 <Gain> (the emulator phone)
Nov 16 20:18:22 <umdk1d3> you can keep the emulator on the whole time, and it will auto reinstall your app when you run it
Nov 16 20:18:28 <kRutOn> Gain: don't exit the emulator...
Nov 16 20:18:40 <blau> you dont have to  restart the emu
Nov 16 20:19:21 <blau> how can i test vibration in the emu
Nov 16 20:19:31 <blau> it seems that at some point logcat talked about vibration
Nov 16 20:22:51 <Gain> thanks
Nov 16 20:37:40 <tech9iner> hello all
Nov 16 20:41:43 <tech9iner> SanMehat, any known full backup path or app or ?? of all data including call logs etc please?
Nov 16 20:50:42 <d03boy> tech9iner, how many times are you going to ask that
Nov 16 20:52:06 <tech9iner> d03boy, dad? that you?
Nov 16 20:53:00 <d03boy> go sit in the corner
Nov 16 20:53:08 <d03boy> and dont come out until you've learned your lesson
Nov 16 20:53:12 <tech9iner> lmao.. aww paw..
Nov 16 20:55:21 <khert> how do i find out the IP on my G1?
Nov 16 20:55:33 <d03boy> whatismyip.com
Nov 16 20:55:35 <nizox> ifconfig
Nov 16 20:56:03 <khert> thnx
Nov 16 20:56:19 <d03boy> what should I name my Activity when I'm creating my new android project
Nov 16 20:56:38 <d03boy> is ther eany sort of guideline?
Nov 16 20:57:08 <d03boy> how many Activities will an app have
Nov 16 20:57:36 <d03boy> one for closed screen and oen for opened?
Nov 16 20:57:53 <blau1> no, you can have the same activity for both
Nov 16 20:58:09 <blau1> its probably ideal for it to be the same
Nov 16 20:59:02 <tech9iner> anyone played with way to utilize the gremote market app without internet connections? perhaps way to configure the pc's server for it to local? (can imagine using this feature for client presentations on laptops; would be impressive if stable)
Nov 16 20:59:03 <d03boy> what should I name it
Nov 16 20:59:19 <blau1> do you have any background in programming?
Nov 16 20:59:26 <d03boy> plenty
Nov 16 20:59:38 <d03boy> im just not entirely sure what an activity is for
Nov 16 20:59:58 <blau1> the way i understand it, is an activity is basically a screen
Nov 16 21:00:11 <d03boy> but then whats a view?
Nov 16 21:00:21 <blau1> a view is like a component or control
Nov 16 21:02:54 <d03boy> so what should I name my activity
Nov 16 21:03:18 <blau1> PurposeActivity
Nov 16 21:03:26 <blau1> PreferencesActivity
Nov 16 21:03:31 <blau1> ItemListActivity
Nov 16 21:24:56 <d03boy> should I leave teh AndroidManifest.xml named that?
Nov 16 21:25:05 <d03boy> or should it be AppnameManifest.xml
Nov 16 21:25:52 <wastrel> androidmanifest
Nov 16 21:27:38 <d03boy> thank you sir
Nov 16 21:28:44 <mikey|> can Eclipse show lines to show where a brace starts and ends? Like the feature in Notepad++
Nov 16 22:00:48 <Ando> is there an alternative for certain sites that use flash for the G1 phone?
Nov 16 22:04:00 <jasta> use other sites? :)
Nov 16 22:06:14 <blau1> lol
Nov 16 22:06:24 <blau1> i had someone who used my shortcut program, email me to make a flash app :(
Nov 16 22:07:53 <KNY> blau1, haha, nice
Nov 16 22:12:47 <mpardo> How can I start an activity automatically when the OS is booted?
Nov 16 22:12:49 <Damm> I wish flash wasn't so damned popular.
Nov 16 22:17:57 <blau1> mpardo: boot_completed action
Nov 16 22:17:57 <blau1> setup a receiver for it
Nov 16 22:18:37 <mpardo> ah thx... that's what I'm reading
Nov 16 22:34:23 <vipdroid> yay @ irc on g1
Nov 16 22:35:20 <blau1> web?
Nov 16 22:35:26 <blau1> or via app?
Nov 16 22:36:25 <vipdroid> app
Nov 16 22:37:10 <blau1> market?
Nov 16 22:37:32 <vipdroid> nope beta
Nov 16 22:37:59 <blau1> ah
Nov 16 22:38:00 <blau1> cool
Nov 16 22:44:58 <KNY> I think we have about 10 different people all working on IRC applications
Nov 16 22:45:20 <d03boy> ya
Nov 16 22:45:24 <blau1> lol
Nov 16 22:45:28 <blau1> i know michaelnovakjr is
Nov 16 22:45:34 <d03boy> i am
Nov 16 22:45:35 <KNY> yeah
Nov 16 22:45:39 <blau1> im working on wayy too many apps
Nov 16 22:45:42 <blau1> sigh
Nov 16 22:46:12 <d03boy> is there any reason you should be able to type in irc from the vertical view?
Nov 16 22:46:20 <blau1> ran into a problem with custom vibration for phone calls
Nov 16 22:46:25 <d03boy> for me, im just making it a viewer
Nov 16 22:46:27 <blau1> d03: no reason you shouldnt be able to
Nov 16 22:46:29 <KNY> d03boy, only if someone makes an OSK
Nov 16 22:46:39 <KNY> or if a new device comes out
Nov 16 22:46:58 <blau1> if you are considering removing the text box that you type into when they close the keyboard
Nov 16 22:47:00 <blau1> id leave it there
Nov 16 22:53:31 <d03boy> i dont understand why we dont team up on the whole irc business
Nov 16 22:56:09 <blau1> everyone has different ideas
Nov 16 22:56:19 <blau1> implement them and steal the good ones from others
Nov 16 23:09:27 <Andomic> Ando
Nov 16 23:16:31 <blau1> think im gonna work on fake phone call app
Nov 16 23:16:53 <blau1> steal some thunder from the iphone app
Nov 16 23:17:09 <d03boy> haha
Nov 16 23:17:26 <Disconnect> we need the one that was featured in one of the ads, for randomly selecting restaurants
Nov 16 23:18:11 <blau1> i feel like i saw that app recently
Nov 16 23:18:35 <blau1> local search spinner
Nov 16 23:19:11 <Disconnect> yah roulette wheel (with motion sensor for shaking) that spins food type, restaurant, cost..
Nov 16 23:19:15 <d03boy> why is this so damn difficult to find a simple button example
Nov 16 23:19:51 <blau1> d03: whatcha trying to do
Nov 16 23:20:00 * tech9iner appreciates d03boy 's plight.. sux being a human bean on all levels huh lad hehe.. 
Nov 16 23:20:22 <d03boy> im trying to make a button lol
Nov 16 23:20:28 <d03boy> i dont remember the attributes or whatever
Nov 16 23:26:52 <kcoury> hey guys, I was wondering if someone could help me with a problem I'm having on an orientation change
Nov 16 23:28:55 <blau> ok
Nov 16 23:29:55 <d03boy> is this a pop quiz?
Nov 16 23:32:36 <kcoury> I'm starting a new thread to handle a long running task in my app but when orientation changes and the thread posts to the handler I guess the thread is referring to the old handler and my UI isn't getting updated
Nov 16 23:32:39 <eggy> ^
Nov 16 23:33:03 <blau> ahh hmm
Nov 16 23:33:16 <blau> update something in the thread on orientation change
Nov 16 23:33:55 <tauno> kcoury, you guess or you know?
Nov 16 23:36:18 <kcoury> tauno: I'm actually not sure. I know the handler is being called after the orientation change but it's not affecting the UI like it would if I didn't change the orientation
Nov 16 23:48:37 <kcoury> there is a lot of discussion on the group about it but no sample code that really illustrates how it should work
Nov 16 23:48:52 <blau> have you used the debugger?
Nov 16 23:49:24 <kcoury> yeah I've been adding log output to all parts of my code
Nov 16 23:53:41 <zhobbs> kcoury: check out Activity.getLastNonConfigurationInstance()
Nov 16 23:53:57 <zhobbs> kcoury: that will let you pass 1 object during an orientation change
Nov 16 23:54:02 <zhobbs> and get it back on the other side
Nov 16 23:54:11 <zhobbs> so you could pass a Thread
Nov 16 23:56:15 <kcoury> zhobbs: thanks, I'm going to try that
Nov 16 23:57:06 <zhobbs> kcoury: it's kinda tricky to do, you have to manage the state in the thread, and keep the results of the work around in case the thread finishes during the orientation change
Nov 16 23:59:04 <zhobbs> I did this for one Activity/Thread and decided that in my case managing the orientation change manually was much easier
Nov 17 00:00:10 <kcoury> how would you go about doing it manually?
Nov 17 00:00:35 <zhobbs> check the docs for Activity.onConfigurationChanged(...)
Nov 17 00:02:42 <ugarit> ah finally got rc30 from rc19 :-)
Nov 17 00:03:41 <kcoury> thanks for the info zhobbs, I might look into that instead
Nov 17 00:04:29 <zhobbs> kcoury: I like it for layouts that don't change much between portrait/landscape
Nov 17 00:04:48 <zhobbs> but if the layout changes a lot then it's nice to have layout-land, drawable-land, etc
Nov 17 00:08:46 <kcoury> yeah I know what you mean, hopefully this works out for me. I'd rather not have the application restart on an orientation change
Nov 17 00:11:46 <DarkriftX> android is dead today :S
Nov 17 00:12:01 <offby1> uh oh
Nov 17 00:12:07 <DarkriftX> when each hour of chat fits in one screen, you know its slow
Nov 17 00:12:24 <filosofico> hi ... there is a way to be sure that only a "trusted" application can emit a certain type of Intent OR a way to know if an intent came from a "trusted" application? ... thanks
Nov 17 00:21:00 <tauno> does anyone knows how to tell a ScrollView that "hey dude, your child View just got bigger, it's time to update that scrollbar that you have there to match the new size" ?
Nov 17 00:21:20 <kcoury> zhobbs: manually handling the change did the trick, everything is working as expected including my layout. thank you for all your help
Nov 17 00:21:29 <zhobbs> kcoury: np
Nov 17 00:23:12 <tauno> It's really bothering me that the ScrollVIew won't update it's scrollbar values (sometimes.. most of the time it plays along nicely)
Nov 17 00:24:19 <KNY> tauno, there isn't a redraw() or repaint() method?
Nov 17 00:26:03 <zhobbs> tauno: invalidate?
Nov 17 00:30:42 <orci> hi is there an imap client that can actually delete the mails
Nov 17 00:31:07 <PoohbaLT> Can I request that all of you that have the G1 call in and email/submit an email request asking for the ability to attach files to emails.  They told me if more people asked they might make it a feature.  Also to have it change from 10sec or whatever the timeout is for when you are on a call
Nov 17 00:31:27 <tauno> zhobbs, will try
Nov 17 00:31:45 <tauno> KNY, I invalidate() should take care of it.. I'll try it
Nov 17 00:31:59 <tauno> (requestLayout on the ScrollView didn't help)
Nov 17 00:34:13 <KNY> is there a way to get the View the currently has focus?
Nov 17 00:34:17 <PoohbaLT> is there a way to save/trasfer your text messages to your computer?
Nov 17 00:36:33 <d03boy> no
Nov 17 00:39:38 <offby1> PoohbaLT: wish I knew
Nov 17 00:40:05 <offby1> I still haven't found a way of taking notes on my phone that 1) is really convenient and 2) replicates the notes to google or somewhere similar
Nov 17 00:41:57 <tauno> zhobbs, thanks.. that did the trick :) (I somehow thought that it has nothing to to with painting but measuring stuff :) )
Nov 17 00:44:00 <SystemWizard> so is AndroidIRC available for general download anywhere?
Nov 17 00:44:16 <KNY> SystemWizard, there are a few android IRC clients in the works
Nov 17 00:44:23 <KNY> we'll see which ones become available first
Nov 17 00:44:42 <KNY> offby1, Android is really missing Google Docs integration
Nov 17 00:44:48 <d03boy> .
Nov 17 00:44:57 <offby1> KNY: I was surprised that it doesn't replicate its bookmarks somewhere, too.
Nov 17 00:45:10 <offby1> Google _used_ to have a "bookmarks" product that would be the natural choice, but I think they abandoned it
Nov 17 00:45:17 <offby1> (just as well; it wasn't useful)
Nov 17 00:45:17 <KNY> there also isn't a way to reorder your bookmarks
Nov 17 00:45:23 <SystemWizard> yea I was surprised to find that Google Notebook wasn't integrated in the G1 "out of the box"...
Nov 17 00:45:24 <KNY> offby1, Google Browser Sync--I used it :(
Nov 17 00:45:26 <offby1> we need foxmarks on the Android!
Nov 17 00:45:30 <offby1> KNY: yeah, that was it.
Nov 17 00:45:39 <offby1> wait, actually that was something else.
Nov 17 00:45:45 <offby1> It was great when it worked, which was only occasionally.
Nov 17 00:45:45 <SystemWizard> more surprising was that there's no published API for writing to google notebook entries.. only reading them
Nov 17 00:45:56 <offby1> yeah, notebook would be fine too
Nov 17 00:46:15 <SystemWizard> i started to look into writing a google notebook client..
Nov 17 00:46:31 <SystemWizard> when I dug around and found that there is no published API for writing to the notebook..
Nov 17 00:46:37 <SystemWizard> at least *I* couldn't find one..
Nov 17 00:53:52 <KNY> SystemWizard, time to fire up Ethereal and get to work ;)
Nov 17 00:54:22 <SystemWizard> KNY
Nov 17 00:54:26 <offby1> eww
Nov 17 00:54:27 <SystemWizard> I knew someone would say that
Nov 17 00:54:32 <SystemWizard> :D
Nov 17 00:54:37 <offby1> s/Ethereal/wireshark/ anyway
Nov 17 00:54:45 <SystemWizard> yea and then they change stuff around and bork my hard work...
Nov 17 00:54:46 <KNY> offby1, yeah, I couldn't think of the new name
Nov 17 00:54:55 <offby1> KNY: I'm amazed I remembered.
Nov 17 00:54:55 <SystemWizard> but eventually I'll dig in and try just that
Nov 17 01:13:49 <noodleyappendage> what's new people?
Nov 17 01:15:17 * geist falls to his knees, not worthy to be in the presence of hisnoodlyappendage
Nov 17 01:20:37 * offby1 wields a +3 Parmesan Cheese
Nov 17 01:31:23 <Gary135791> So why hasn't anyone made a nice app to kill processes with a GUI?
Nov 17 01:32:29 <d03boy> "So why hasn't anyone made __________?"
Nov 17 01:32:37 <d03boy> because they're already busy making _______
Nov 17 01:35:39 <Gary135791> d03boy: except this is something pretty much everyones wanted/needed
Nov 17 01:35:58 <unix_infidel> Gary135791: you mean like....*gasp*...task manager.
Nov 17 01:36:14 <Gary135791> unix_infidel: everything I've seen hasn't allowed you to kill
Nov 17 01:36:16 <Gary135791> but yes :P
Nov 17 01:36:58 <noodleyappendage> I don't think you need it
Nov 17 01:37:06 <noodleyappendage> quit talking like an addict
Nov 17 01:38:29 <noodleyappendage> killing apps...everyones doin it
Nov 17 01:38:37 <shackan> Gary135791: eh? there is already one
Nov 17 01:38:44 <Gary135791> name?
Nov 17 01:39:09 <shackan> don't know, the gnome-system-monitor thing
Nov 17 01:39:45 <shackan> argh
Nov 17 01:39:57 <shackan> I didn't realize I was in #android
Nov 17 01:40:06 <shackan> nevermind
Nov 17 01:42:00 <Gary135791> haha :P
Nov 17 01:42:00 <KNY> shackan, haha
Nov 17 01:42:07 <noodleyappendage> what is the point of this video?  you can't read it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8XseabG5j0
Nov 17 01:42:28 <noodleyappendage> anyone know where I can get a higher res version?
Nov 17 01:42:53 <KNY> yeah, code.google.com/android
Nov 17 01:42:57 <KNY> ;)
Nov 17 01:44:42 <noodleyappendage> I don't see it on code.google.com/android
Nov 17 01:45:10 <KNY> noodleyappendage, I was referring to this: http://code.google.com/android/intro/index.html
Nov 17 01:45:17 <KNY> though it's not a video
Nov 17 01:45:30 <unix_infidel> noodleyappendage: dont think there is one
Nov 17 01:46:10 <unix_infidel> you're better off finding a screencast instead of a presentation.
Nov 17 01:46:28 <unix_infidel> though, jason's talk there is pretty good for a cursory look at android.
Nov 17 02:32:39 <Gamma-x> hey im having trouble sending pictures on my g1 anyone know why I cant send them but i can recieve? It shows up on the other phone as a blank message
Nov 17 02:34:06 <spikebike> yeah, I've had problems sending, I just assume the g1 sends too high a resolution for some other phones
Nov 17 02:35:38 <Gamma-x> so anyway to fix that?
Nov 17 02:37:56 <spikebike> I suspect you'd have to recompile the app
Nov 17 02:38:05 <spikebike> there's no menu that I found
Nov 17 02:57:27 <Maxpower57> Sorry to ask a question that Im *sure* has gotten asked 40 times today. but, Is there any hint on when video support for android will come?
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