**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 19 02:59:57 2008
Nov 19 03:00:15 <exmac> i copyed development/ide/eclipse/.classpath to top directory
Nov 19 03:00:37 <exmac> and then made java project,
Nov 19 03:01:53 <exmac> but i dont know next step...
Nov 19 03:02:35 <exmac> i want debug the Contacts source
Nov 19 03:04:08 <jasta> herriojr: do you dev in eclipse?
Nov 19 03:04:17 <jasta> if you edit your manifest outside of eclipse you must make sure to hit refresh on the project
Nov 19 03:12:23 <Andomic> anyone making an Iphone music album equivalent for G1? u know like the hand moving album thing
Nov 19 03:13:06 <unix_infidel> Andomic: i think Five does that.
Nov 19 03:13:38 <ttuttle> \
Nov 19 03:13:51 <benley> Andomic: "coverflow"?
Nov 19 03:14:13 <Lieutenant> hey what is that 3 letter acronym called? like the "api" or the code thing to allow people to make programs n gadgets n shit
Nov 19 03:14:27 <benley> API?
Nov 19 03:14:38 <Lieutenant> naw
Nov 19 03:14:38 <Lieutenant> nvm
Nov 19 03:14:38 <Lieutenant> it was sdk
Nov 19 03:14:38 <unix_infidel> SDK
Nov 19 03:14:44 <benley> oh right heh
Nov 19 03:14:44 <benley> the other useful TLA
Nov 19 03:14:48 <Leeds> Five?
Nov 19 03:14:48 <unix_infidel> n $h!t
Nov 19 03:15:17 <unix_infidel> Leeds: it's a Music Player app jasta is working on.
Nov 19 03:15:36 <Leeds> ah
Nov 19 03:16:54 <Lieutenant> anyone here use convertxtodvd?
Nov 19 03:30:17 <gustavold> hi, I read in the computerworld.com about android's remote kill switch. Do you know how Google does it? Is it present in the android's released code or only on G1 binary distribution?
Nov 19 03:31:55 <Disconnect> given that its part of the marketplace, not android, its not only binary only but moderately off-topic
Nov 19 03:32:39 <benley> gustavold: url?
Nov 19 03:32:54 <benley> actually nevermind, I remember hearing about that
Nov 19 03:32:55 <gustavold> benley: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9117279
Nov 19 03:33:13 <benley> I thought you meant a remote "turn your phone into a brick" switch
Nov 19 03:33:17 <Lieutenant> wtf is the kill switch?
Nov 19 03:34:15 <Leeds> my phone is a brick :-(
Nov 19 03:34:36 <Lieutenant> can't people "stealth" patch the apps? lolz
Nov 19 03:34:41 <unix_infidel> Leeds: ??
Nov 19 03:34:41 <Disconnect> Lieutenant: it lets them uninstall apps installed from the marketplace. although its only in the TOS, not a hint of it has been found in code (and goog employees seem to think it doesn't exist)
Nov 19 03:34:41 <Leeds> Disconnect: why is it off-topic?  and I didn't know it was just part of the marketplace...
Nov 19 03:34:58 <Leeds> unix_infidel: died last night :-(
Nov 19 03:35:09 <Disconnect> exist in code that is
Nov 19 03:35:24 <benley> Leeds: drop it in a toilet? :-P
Nov 19 03:35:24 <Leeds> eugene: ping?
Nov 19 03:35:24 <unix_infidel> Leeds: symptom of something, or just random?
Nov 19 03:35:33 <Leeds> rebooted it, wouldn't come back up
Nov 19 03:37:21 <benley> I discovered that it's possible to cook the touchscreen and make it stop working on a g1 recently
Nov 19 03:37:43 <Leeds> force power on?
Nov 19 03:37:44 <benley> (left it sitting too close to a radiator in my house...)
Nov 19 03:38:25 <Leeds> ah
Nov 19 03:39:21 <benley> it was a sad thing.
Nov 19 03:39:27 <unix_infidel> benley: this was before or after you melted all the old test devices into an android?
Nov 19 03:39:31 <unix_infidel> :-P
Nov 19 03:39:35 <benley> heh, what?
Nov 19 03:40:11 <unix_infidel> I thought that's what that big green Android was made of, the plastic from old test devices?
Nov 19 03:40:42 <unix_infidel> the one you guys put together the day before release day.
Nov 19 03:40:48 <Lieutenant> uh oh
Nov 19 03:40:49 <Lieutenant> comper is kinda frozen
Nov 19 03:41:07 <Lieutenant> it wasn't a good idea to open a 50 mb notepad file, was it?
Nov 19 03:41:13 <unix_infidel> Leeds: no warranty on stuff in the Grey market either ;-(
Nov 19 03:41:25 <Leeds> not really, no
Nov 19 03:42:20 <Leeds> I feel an argument in a tiny computer shop coming up... I've already put my girlfriend on notice that I might be calling her for some native-language support
Nov 19 03:42:48 <Leeds> I am going to take it back - let them return it up their supply chain until it gets to someone who can actually fix it
Nov 19 03:43:11 <benley> unix_infidel: the android statue is in mountain view, I'm not
Nov 19 03:43:35 <unix_infidel> ahhh.
Nov 19 03:43:59 <benley> (that's the first I've heard about the plastic-from-test-devices thing - totally awesome if true)
Nov 19 03:45:47 <unix_infidel> vague memory from picasa caption.
Nov 19 03:46:28 <Lieutenant> wow.............. will smith was at the theaters today.. like 10 miles away from me watching his movie :( too bad i didn't know!!! damnit!
Nov 19 04:22:38 <RyeBrye> andyross around?
Nov 19 04:23:56 <RyeBrye> wow. That qualcomm neocore app is nuts
Nov 19 04:24:31 <ttuttle> RyeBrye: What is it?
Nov 19 04:24:33 <RyeBrye> check out the market
Nov 19 04:24:37 <RyeBrye> it was just posted under applications
Nov 19 04:24:37 <Leeds> what is it? :-)
Nov 19 04:24:37 <RyeBrye> it's a GL benchmark / showcase app
Nov 19 04:24:45 <ttuttle> nice
Nov 19 04:24:45 <Leeds> ah
Nov 19 04:24:45 <RyeBrye> It show some cool GL scenes wiht a robot blowing stuff up
Nov 19 04:24:49 <jasta> hehe nice
Nov 19 04:24:57 <RyeBrye> I quess Qualcomm made it
Nov 19 04:24:58 <RyeBrye> sicne their logo is all over it
Nov 19 04:25:07 <Disconnect> rock on. openoffice + csv + some bash + sqlite let me import several hundred records without typign them by hand :)
Nov 19 04:25:19 <jasta> ttuttle: hey, i've been updating the five ui a lot lately.  you should svn update and check it out :)
Nov 19 04:25:19 <jasta> let me know what you think
Nov 19 04:25:19 <ttuttle> jasta: okay
Nov 19 04:25:45 <unix_infidel> jasta: screenshot it ;-)
Nov 19 04:25:49 <jasta> unix_infidel: well i mean look and feel mostly, so i cant capture the feel very well :)
Nov 19 04:26:17 <jasta> also, i've noticed after spending a significant amount of time with the G1, looking at screenshots on a computer monitor is nothing like running it on the phone
Nov 19 04:27:09 <unix_infidel> heh, yea, makes me want to get the G1 even more...
Nov 19 04:27:09 <unix_infidel> was hoping I could simply just make due with the emulator.
Nov 19 04:27:27 <jasta> you can as a developer, i think, provided you have some coaching
Nov 19 04:27:55 <jasta> like best practices for handling network failure and such
Nov 19 04:28:00 <unix_infidel> heh, well I need to replace my old nokia too...so it's getting more tempting by the day ;-P
Nov 19 04:30:12 <jasta> i recommend you get one.  it's an excellent phone honestly
Nov 19 04:30:13 <KNY> definitely.
Nov 19 04:30:15 <jasta> it feels right from the moment you start using it, and it just grows on you
Nov 19 04:30:15 <jasta> lots to love, for sure
Nov 19 04:30:28 <KNY> though there is room for improvement in the software, but no show-stopping bugs or anything
Nov 19 04:30:28 <jasta> especially if you dev for it, since it's so easy to transform your ideas into working apps you can actually use
Nov 19 04:30:41 <KNY> agreed
Nov 19 04:30:43 <jasta> KNY: as 1.0 releases go though, ...
Nov 19 04:31:09 <jasta> my app combined with the G1 has totally changed thew ay i listen to music, for instance
Nov 19 04:31:09 <KNY> jasta, don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining.
Nov 19 04:31:17 <KNY> I'm just acknowledging that it's not *perfect*
Nov 19 04:31:19 <KNY> but no phone is
Nov 19 04:31:32 <Leeds> it's a piece of crap
Nov 19 04:31:32 <Leeds> at least, mine is
Nov 19 04:31:32 <jasta> KNY: frankly i think it has a ton of bugs, but yes as you said, no show stoppers.
Nov 19 04:31:53 <KNY> Leeds, return it
Nov 19 04:31:53 <jasta> and with the source code release, the sky's the limit
Nov 19 04:32:11 <KNY> IMO, it's better than the iPhone 1.0
Nov 19 04:32:11 <Leeds> KNY: planning to... but it's a dodgy grey import, so it'll be interesting to see how much I have to argue
Nov 19 04:32:32 <KNY> Leeds, that's a bummer.
Nov 19 04:32:33 <jasta> unix_infidel: i should update my screenshots tho...i'll try to do that tonight :)
Nov 19 04:32:41 <Leeds> ya think? :-)
Nov 19 04:32:44 <Leeds> jasta: is Five free software?
Nov 19 04:32:55 <KNY> jasta, what's your app?
Nov 19 04:32:55 <unix_infidel> open source iirc.
Nov 19 04:32:57 <jasta> KNY: http://five.googlecode.com, but as this conversation points out, those screenshots are way old
Nov 19 04:33:19 <jasta> Leeds: it is released under the GPL.
Nov 19 04:34:12 <Leeds> good stuff... somewhere to look for code I can steal for my theoretical audiobook/magazine app :-)
Nov 19 04:35:03 <KNY> Leeds, just be sure that you adhere to the GPL
Nov 19 04:35:03 <jasta> i encourage you to, although i would also suggest you talk to me about some of the stuff before you steal it.  since five is so huge, there are elements which don't reflect my current recommendations :)
Nov 19 04:35:03 <KNY> and it won't be stealing
Nov 19 04:35:37 <Leeds> of course, GPL all the way
Nov 19 04:37:08 <Leeds> priority one is getting a working device though :-)
Nov 19 04:39:52 <Leeds> andyross: RyeBrye was looking for you...
Nov 19 04:40:19 <Leeds> and now I shall go and argue with dodgy phoneshop guy
Nov 19 04:40:56 <RyeBrye> andyross here?
Nov 19 04:41:00 <RyeBrye> andyross - you see the qualcomm app that they just posted?
Nov 19 04:41:04 <RyeBrye> andyross - it's called neocore and it's in the market
Nov 19 04:41:04 <andyross> uh... where?
Nov 19 04:41:06 <RyeBrye> http://www.ryebrye.com/blog/2008/11/18/neocore-g1-opengl-showcase-posted/
Nov 19 04:41:36 <RyeBrye> It's a GL "benchmark" app (but looks more to me like a GL showcase - since I see no stats displayed anywhere on it)
Nov 19 04:43:27 <RyeBrye> andyross - since you've been working on GL stuff I thought you might be interested in it
Nov 19 04:44:33 <andyross> Ah, cool.  I've seen screenshots of that content in Brew stuff.  Yeah, the pixel rate on this things is huge, so if you can keep the vertex complexity reasonable you can do some really neat multipass things.
Nov 19 04:44:58 <g1er> i got 24.3fps at the end of the benchmark.. only stat tho
Nov 19 04:46:14 <RyeBrye> Oh, it does give stats?
Nov 19 04:46:14 * spikebike got 24.4!
Nov 19 04:46:14 * spikebike rocks
Nov 19 04:46:20 <g1er> lol
Nov 19 04:46:22 <romainguy> yeah this benchmark made us discover an issue with our GL stack
Nov 19 04:46:23 <spikebike> I seems like they are cheating though
Nov 19 04:46:23 <romainguy> our graphics guy said we could almost double that number with the proper fixes
Nov 19 04:46:23 <RyeBrye> romainguy - what issue?
Nov 19 04:46:45 <RyeBrye> here that andyross? you're not crazy! ;)
Nov 19 04:46:56 <RyeBrye> where do you get the stats?
Nov 19 04:47:37 <g1er> @ the end of the benchmark demo
Nov 19 04:48:22 <spikebike> click on benchmark and not interactive mode
Nov 19 04:48:56 <zhobbs> what would Google @hide a protected variable?? what a pain...they can extend the classes but we can't...
Nov 19 04:48:56 * andyross gets back to the keyboard.   Good to know. :)
Nov 19 04:48:56 <zhobbs> s/what/why
Nov 19 04:48:56 <romainguy> zhobbs: because the API is not ready
Nov 19 04:49:02 <g1er> 25!
Nov 19 04:49:13 <romainguy> anything we leave public we'll have to maintain forever
Nov 19 04:49:21 <RyeBrye> forever is a long time
Nov 19 04:49:23 <romainguy> so we'd rather have more limited APIs now :)
Nov 19 04:49:31 <romainguy> RyeBrye: googlers have long lives
Nov 19 04:49:39 * spikebike watercools his g1
Nov 19 04:49:39 <RyeBrye> romainguy - but unfortunately, 30% of those lives are spent on the shuttle? ;)
Nov 19 04:49:43 <RyeBrye> oh, 24.5
Nov 19 04:49:44 <RyeBrye> I guess I wasn't patient enough
Nov 19 04:49:44 <KNY> zhobbs, it's a definite pain, especially with the inflexibility of TabHost
Nov 19 04:49:53 <zhobbs> romainguy: I'm glad the source is out...I can just copy the class into my code
Nov 19 04:49:53 * KNY is grumpy over that
Nov 19 04:50:09 <zhobbs> KNY: yeah, I wrote my own TabHost
Nov 19 04:50:09 <romainguy> zhobbs: I'd say it's a very bad idea but sure :)
Nov 19 04:50:09 <KNY> zhobbs, is it OSS?
Nov 19 04:50:11 <zhobbs> KNY: no
Nov 19 04:50:18 <KNY> All I want is a TabHost without icons
Nov 19 04:50:36 <zhobbs> romainguy: well, it's my only option :(
Nov 19 04:50:37 <KNY> and without being a gazillion pixels tall
Nov 19 04:50:52 <romainguy> KNY: the tabs have the appropriate size for a touch screen
Nov 19 04:50:53 <zhobbs> KNY: yeah, right before 1.0 you could just specify a View as your tab indicator, so it could be anything you wanted
Nov 19 04:51:34 <romainguy> zhobbs: what are you trying to do?
Nov 19 04:51:34 <zhobbs> KNY: that was the straw that broke the camels back...dropped TabHost and wrote my own
Nov 19 04:51:35 <KNY> romainguy, I want to be able to shrink the tabs when you go into landscape mode
Nov 19 04:51:35 <KNY> since you'll most likely be using the trackball anyway
Nov 19 04:51:50 <romainguy> KNY: *on the G1*
Nov 19 04:51:50 <romainguy> Android != G1
Nov 19 04:51:50 <offby1> can anyone remember the name of this app: it runs constantly, and when someone sends you an SMS with the word "Locate" and a secret number, it responds with the phone's location
Nov 19 04:51:55 <offby1> I'm sure I installed it but now I can't find any trace of it :-|
Nov 19 04:51:55 <andyross> Interestingly, Neocore is using only 60-70% of the CPU.  So it's fill-limited, not vertex limited.  Qualcomm didn't release the source, did they?
Nov 19 04:52:00 <spikebike> pinpoint/pintail
Nov 19 04:52:03 <spikebike> one of the 2
Nov 19 04:52:14 <KNY> romainguy, for now, Android == G1
Nov 19 04:52:14 <romainguy> KNY: no
Nov 19 04:52:14 <zhobbs> romainguy: extend CursorAdapter...wanted to be able to access mCursor directly...might be able to do everything through member methods...we'll see
Nov 19 04:52:14 <KNY> well, ~=
Nov 19 04:52:14 <offby1> spikebike: thanks, those sound vaguely familiar.
Nov 19 04:52:18 <spikebike> KNY the emulator doesn't count?
Nov 19 04:52:18 <romainguy> zhobbs: what about getCursor()...?
Nov 19 04:52:22 <zhobbs> lol
Nov 19 04:52:24 <zhobbs> that might work
Nov 19 04:52:51 <KNY> romainguy, I'd update the UI when other devices came along, but for now, I care that the tabs are too tall for landscape mode
Nov 19 04:53:00 <romainguy> KNY: they are not too tall, they are fit for a touch screen
Nov 19 04:53:39 <zhobbs> KNY: it took me a couple days to get a flexable tab system, but it's worked out for me...
Nov 19 04:54:32 <KNY> zhobbs, it's not a big enough deal for me to roll my own, it's just that they're about 33% taller than I'd like them to be
Nov 19 04:55:11 <KNY> maybe people with giant sausage fingers might object to the smaller size, but I don't think 40-50 dip would be the end of the world
Nov 19 04:55:12 <KNY> but maybe that's just me
Nov 19 04:55:16 <RyeBrye> offby1 the app you seek is "pintail" but I'm highly suspicious of it having a bug that causes it to constantly poll the GPS even when it's in the background
Nov 19 04:55:50 <zhobbs> yeah, my tabs are ~50 px and they're fine
Nov 19 04:55:51 <offby1> RyeBrye: hmm
Nov 19 04:55:51 <RyeBrye> andyross - if you can read dex bytecode, you can get that out of it
Nov 19 04:56:16 * offby1 idly wonders if he can send an email to his phone that the phone will interpret as an SMS ...
Nov 19 04:56:17 <andyross> Yeah.  Or just hook it up with a logging GL I guess.
Nov 19 04:56:48 <g1er> offby1 forward to your#@tmomail.net
Nov 19 04:56:56 <KNY> offby1, can't you use the email SMS interface?
Nov 19 04:57:04 <KNY> <your number>@<that address t-mobile uses>.com ?
Nov 19 04:57:13 <RyeBrye> andyross - not a bad idea. The GL stack on android is OSS, isn't it?
Nov 19 04:57:17 <KNY> g1er, that's it
Nov 19 04:57:17 <KNY> couldn't think of the domain
Nov 19 04:57:48 <RyeBrye> your#@tmomail.net actually sends an SMS to his phone though -
Nov 19 04:58:07 <KNY> RyeBrye, I thought that's what his objective was
Nov 19 04:58:36 <andyross> Heh.  Neocore is a native app.  From /proc/<pid>/maps:
Nov 19 04:58:36 <andyross> 80200000-8023b000 rwxp 00000000 1f:05 1627       /data/data/com.qualcomm.qx.neocore/files/libneocore.so (deleted)
Nov 19 04:59:28 <RyeBrye> KNY - his objective was to "send an email to my phone it thinks is an SMS" - so who knows what he really wanted... but that approach will send an email to T-mobile which will in turn send an SMS to his phone when they get around to it
Nov 19 04:59:53 <RyeBrye> andyross - that's funny... they cheated!
Nov 19 05:00:47 <mattgyver83> Does anyone know if progress to get root on rc30 has been made for those who accepted the OTA update unknowingly?
Nov 19 05:00:56 <andyross> Nah, no doubt they had an existing C++ application to port.  I'm just amused that they're doing almost exactly what I was.  Just, y'know, with much better content :)
Nov 19 05:01:05 <orci> why isn't there multi touch on t-mob g1? does apple own multitouch patent or something?
Nov 19 05:01:18 <RyeBrye> mattgyver83 - nobody has said anything about fixing an RC30 that was unrooted.
Nov 19 05:01:49 <RyeBrye> orci - the answer we got earlier was that it's partially because HTC told Google the G1 was a single-touch phone
Nov 19 05:01:49 <offby1> g1er: just figured that out, thanks.
Nov 19 05:02:45 <RyeBrye> orci - and because HTC has in the specs that the G1 is single touch, they can't really code it as if it were multitouch
Nov 19 05:03:07 <d0nets> anyone know alot about the media api?
Nov 19 05:03:19 <RyeBrye> d0nets - are you stll woring on that guitar tuner bit?
Nov 19 05:03:20 <d0nets> sorta
Nov 19 05:03:21 <d0nets> i got a bit busy with school
Nov 19 05:03:50 <RyeBrye> d0nets - the media API that they currently have in place would suck balls to use for a tuner since you have to start it recording to a COMPRESSED file, and then read from the file later
Nov 19 05:04:00 <g1er> np, good for phones that aren't email capable. been using it since my days on the razr :)
Nov 19 05:04:04 <RyeBrye> d0nets - andyross found a clever way to use native code to get audio in real time
Nov 19 05:04:31 <d0nets> hrmm
Nov 19 05:04:51 <andyross> Not so much found a clever way as used the existing C++ API as designed. :)
Nov 19 05:04:51 <d0nets> is he in here?
Nov 19 05:04:51 <d0nets> http://groups.google.com/group/tunedroid/browse_thread/thread/264c210ddfe3f16c
Nov 19 05:04:51 <RyeBrye> d0nets - the problem with doing analysis on the compressed audio is that the compression codecs throw stuff away
Nov 19 05:04:54 <RyeBrye> d0nets - yes, he is
Nov 19 05:06:06 <d0nets> im interested in his method, so you think it would work?
Nov 19 05:06:08 <d0nets> all i have read is complaints about the media api
Nov 19 05:06:08 <d0nets> and people wanting javax.sound
Nov 19 05:06:30 <gambler_> andyross, did you blog it somewhere?
Nov 19 05:06:46 <orci> RyeBrye, what would you think about this? http://phandroid.com/2008/11/18/g1-multi-touch-exists-amputated/
Nov 19 05:07:18 <andyross> d0nets: it works fine.  It's a native thing, so you need to get a native build environment working.  But the AudioTrack API is really simple: create the object and register a callback.  The library spawns a thread to fetch buffers and hand them to the callback to fill as needed.
Nov 19 05:07:52 <andyross> Heh, blog.   Good one. :)  I stuffed the file in a pastebin somewhere...
Nov 19 05:07:59 <orci> RyeBrye, hehe sorry just saw that the thing refers to you :)
Nov 19 05:08:01 <RyeBrye> orci - I think that it's ironic you would paste a link to me that points to an article that links to my own blog
Nov 19 05:08:17 <RyeBrye> :)
Nov 19 05:08:21 <RyeBrye> orci - see that "[Via RyeBrye]" link :)
Nov 19 05:08:38 <RyeBrye> np
Nov 19 05:08:44 <RyeBrye> The ars technica summary is better, in my opinion: http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2008/11/18/blogger-android-capable-of-multi-touch
Nov 19 05:09:01 <romainguy> nice way to paste this link again RyeBrye :)
Nov 19 05:09:03 <gambler_> Does it work on non jailbroken phones?
Nov 19 05:09:05 <RyeBrye> romainguy - Hey, I wasn't going to bring it up any more :)
Nov 19 05:09:24 <andyross> Here's the audio code example: http://pastebin.ca/1260555
Nov 19 05:09:24 <andyross> A sample native rig (an OpenGL performance test and state enumerator) is in http://plausible.org/andy/Game1.tar.gz
Nov 19 05:09:50 <RyeBrye> gambler_ - no, but it's not really relevant at this point on a non-jailbroken phones right now since all multitouch currently does on a jailbroken phone is fill up dmesg with output
Nov 19 05:10:26 <Damm> it's nice to know that the G1 can take a drop
Nov 19 05:10:43 <RyeBrye> Damm - and because of the acceleration sensor, the G1 is aware that it is falling, too
Nov 19 05:10:43 <RyeBrye> OOOH
Nov 19 05:10:44 <andyross> It's nicer to have someone *else* tell you that the G1 can take a drop.
Nov 19 05:11:11 * RyeBrye rushes off to write a background app that will monitor the sensor and scream "AHHHHHH" when the phone is dropped
Nov 19 05:11:11 * RyeBrye jokes 
Nov 19 05:11:26 <d0nets> http://pastebin.com/m30138a6a
Nov 19 05:12:12 <d0nets> thats the MicrophoneAudioSource.java in this java tuner im using as a base
Nov 19 05:12:21 <RyeBrye> d0nets - did you see andyross pasted the audio code example piece for you ^^
Nov 19 05:12:30 <Damm> hohum, trying to install Neocore
Nov 19 05:12:30 <Damm> and it's stuck at downloading
Nov 19 05:12:34 <Damm> not the first time that's happened.
Nov 19 05:12:46 <d0nets> "d0nets: it works fine.  It's a native thing, so you need to get a native build environment working.  But the AudioTrack API is really simple: create the object and register a callback.  The library spawns a thread to fetch buffers and hand them to the callback to fill as needed."
Nov 19 05:12:47 <d0nets> that?
Nov 19 05:13:05 <orci> RyeBrye, why would htc say it is single touvh although it is capable?
Nov 19 05:13:11 <RyeBrye> 24.5 FPS - baby! http://www.ryebrye.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/robot_fps.png Bring on CRYSIS!
Nov 19 05:13:11 <d0nets> oh
Nov 19 05:13:16 <d0nets> i see it
Nov 19 05:13:44 <RyeBrye> orci - I'm not HTC, so I have no idea. One possible reason would be that they can swap out parts to a cheaper part if they ever find one
Nov 19 05:13:53 <andyross> To be fair: Neocore is a demo.  The scene complexity is deliberately limited.  It draws only the stuff in scripted scene, etc... Demos always look better than games.  But yeah, it looks really good.
Nov 19 05:14:31 <DarkriftX> RyeBrye: have you asked any developers in here to try and write an app that uses the multitouch drivers?
Nov 19 05:14:34 <orci> RyeBrye, cheaper but not multitocuh capable? makes sense
Nov 19 05:15:04 <orci> RyeBrye, or may be they do not trust its multitouch capabilities may be
Nov 19 05:15:08 <RyeBrye> DarkriftX - No, I already know what their answer would be
Nov 19 05:15:17 <DarkriftX> i mean just something very simple
Nov 19 05:15:17 <DarkriftX> 2 boxes and you ahve to drag both at once, etc
Nov 19 05:16:26 <DarkriftX> more of a multitouch demo of sorts
Nov 19 05:16:27 <d0nets> ok i added that info to my google groups, thanks andyross
Nov 19 05:16:27 <d0nets> what application are you working on?
Nov 19 05:16:27 <RyeBrye> orci - could be that too, dunno
Nov 19 05:16:53 <RyeBrye> DarkriftX - I've been looking at what it would take to hack in some multi-touch stuff so it could bubble up to the javaland
Nov 19 05:16:54 <RyeBrye> DarkriftX - so I could do just that... build a basic 2-player (or 2-finger) air hockey game or something
Nov 19 05:17:41 <orci> is there an rss feed to see newly added apps to the market?
Nov 19 05:17:50 <orci> or updated apps?
Nov 19 05:18:01 <DarkriftX> i think anything int he gui that uses the feature will bring lots more questions about it
Nov 19 05:18:31 <DarkriftX> just a little demo that oyu can make a video of
Nov 19 05:18:32 <DarkriftX> youtube it lol
Nov 19 05:18:32 <RyeBrye> Yeah, I know - people love their youtube proofs
Nov 19 05:19:08 * RyeBrye hates video proof of things
Nov 19 05:19:26 <DarkriftX> me too, but they work lol
Nov 19 05:19:26 <RyeBrye> Yeah. It'll be a while - it's not exactly trivial
Nov 19 05:20:19 <DarkriftX> if you did it, you woudl be the man that made the g1 multitouch :) lol
Nov 19 05:20:35 <RyeBrye> Well... I'd be the guy who hacked in a nasty thing
Nov 19 05:23:28 <orci> does market warn when there is any updates the the installed apps?
Nov 19 05:24:09 <sujith> i want to port the android on a real time hardware, can any one guide me through the porting steps?
Nov 19 05:24:09 <sujith> i am confused and don't know how to start
Nov 19 05:24:11 <Damm> real time hardware/
Nov 19 05:24:12 <Damm> what kind of catch phrase is that?
Nov 19 05:24:46 <RyeBrye> I have hardware that runs in fake time, I hate it
Nov 19 05:24:46 <sujith> :) i meant a mobile device
Nov 19 05:24:46 <michaelnovakjr_> you mean the g1
Nov 19 05:25:03 <sujith> yeah
Nov 19 05:25:38 <michaelnovakjr_> well buy a g1 :)
Nov 19 05:25:38 <RyeBrye> orci - not yet
Nov 19 05:25:52 <orci> RyeBrye, thanks
Nov 19 05:25:59 <sujith> no no
Nov 19 05:26:08 <sujith> i have a board which resembles a mobile with arm11
Nov 19 05:26:41 <sujith> i want to port the android on it
Nov 19 05:38:22 <sujith> does anyone has any porting guide for android?
Nov 19 05:38:23 <sujith> please help me out
Nov 19 05:38:23 <DarkriftX> not a lot of porting questions get answered here, seems like not many ppl in here working on that
Nov 19 05:38:43 <michaelnovakjr_> yea
Nov 19 05:38:43 <michaelnovakjr_> not here
Nov 19 05:38:43 <DarkriftX> not to cut your hopes or anything, just an observation :(
Nov 19 05:39:35 <DarkriftX> maybe we need an android-porting channel :)
Nov 19 05:39:43 <sujith> hmmm ok i joined this channel with lot of hopes
Nov 19 05:39:44 <sujith> but in vain now
Nov 19 05:39:44 <DarkriftX> sorry :(
Nov 19 05:39:44 <DarkriftX> try forums
Nov 19 05:39:46 <DarkriftX> not instant answers, but might get lucky
Nov 19 05:39:46 <sujith> i am more interested in porting rather than application evelopement
Nov 19 05:39:55 <michaelnovakjr_> then you won't find any answers here
Nov 19 05:39:56 <sujith> i tried every means from google searching to each and every forum but in vain
Nov 19 05:40:27 <sujith> i am still stuck at porting
Nov 19 05:40:50 <sujith> i am not getting a proper startup
Nov 19 05:40:50 <michaelnovakjr_> there's no one here porting sorry
Nov 19 05:41:26 <sujith> for startup i need help
Nov 19 05:41:27 <sujith> ok thanks
Nov 19 05:41:44 <sujith> but what is this channel for?
Nov 19 05:41:45 <sujith> android fans?
Nov 19 05:41:45 <DarkriftX> mostly development
Nov 19 05:41:46 <michaelnovakjr_> yes, mostly android development
Nov 19 05:41:47 <sujith> ok
Nov 19 05:42:05 <gambler_> romainguy, do I have to inflate a Layout inside another Layout file?
Nov 19 05:42:21 <romainguy> er what?
Nov 19 05:42:48 <gambler_> So I have a foolayout.xml ...I want to include in it bar.xml
Nov 19 05:43:09 <gambler_> how do I refer to bar.xml inside the file
Nov 19 05:43:53 <romainguy> <include layout="..." />
Nov 19 05:44:15 <gambler_> ah v useful
Nov 19 05:44:18 <Ramblurr> what parent layout is best for vertically centering all the child content?
Nov 19 05:44:52 <Ramblurr> i've been playing with the gravity attrs, but can't seem to get it everything centered vertically
Nov 19 05:47:54 <g1er> Ramblurr: weight?
Nov 19 05:49:06 <Ramblurr> hm no
Nov 19 05:49:06 <Ramblurr> havent tried that..
Nov 19 05:49:52 * Ramblurr checks
Nov 19 05:49:53 <g1er> seem to be sort of a percent system, 1=more of the screen, 5=less of the screen
Nov 19 05:50:11 <g1er> worked good for what I needed :)
Nov 19 05:52:33 <romainguy> it's a factor of the remaining empty space
Nov 19 06:00:35 <jasta> hmm, interesting
Nov 19 06:01:23 <jasta> apparently this bug still exists where my app has a really low oom_adj
Nov 19 06:04:05 <ttuttle> jasta: There's a line "if (app.author == "jasta") app.oom_adj = KILL_ASAP;" :P
Nov 19 06:04:09 <jasta> a low oom_adj makes it high priority
Nov 19 06:04:10 <ttuttle> oh
Nov 19 06:04:14 <ttuttle> i see
Nov 19 06:04:22 <Ramblurr> g1er: nope.. what layout type did you use?
Nov 19 06:04:22 <jasta> maybe because the process houses a service?
Nov 19 06:04:23 <Ramblurr> i tried it in a tablelayout
Nov 19 06:04:28 <jasta> when i setForeground(true), my oom_adj is 1, when i setForeground(false) it's 2.
Nov 19 06:04:29 <jasta> i expected a more significant change hehe
Nov 19 06:04:38 <jasta> this leaves my process with a lower oom_adj than android.process.acore
Nov 19 06:04:59 <g1er> linear
Nov 19 06:05:46 <jasta> it looks like if your process houses a service that is running, you have oom_adj 2.  setforeground is 1.
Nov 19 06:07:38 <languish> I'm thinking of getting a case like this for my G1, http://en.dawanda.com/product/1573014-Die-Bacon-Tasche
Nov 19 06:07:50 <jasta> this makes no sense though.  everywhere i look seems to say that i should bind in oncreate, and unbind in ondestroy
Nov 19 06:08:04 <jasta> but then my service could not be stopped if the user exits my app through pressing the home button
Nov 19 06:08:05 <jasta> even if they have told the music player not to play anything
Nov 19 06:08:43 <jasta> meaning my service is unlikely to ever die, and so my process will not be reaped by the system ahead of apps like Home (which it should, since the user doesnt need it if its not playing)
Nov 19 06:09:49 <jasta> i wonder if there's a way to just force the service to die if there are no listeners..
Nov 19 06:10:59 <jasta> or if i should go back to binding in onstart, unbinding in onstop :\
Nov 19 06:12:46 <zhobbs> how can I get the current filter applied on a ListView?
Nov 19 06:12:48 <romainguy> what is the "current filter"?
Nov 19 06:12:49 <zhobbs> the charsequence of the last completed filter
Nov 19 06:13:17 <gambler_> languish, that reminds me of http://hatsofmeat.com
Nov 19 06:13:48 <languish> gambler_ heh yeah
Nov 19 06:13:48 <languish> btw, for those who know and care, there's a wootoff
Nov 19 06:13:50 <zhobbs> I see how to check if it's being filtered, and can even see how many are in the results via onFilterComplete(), but not the actual text
Nov 19 06:17:01 <DarkriftX> wootoff?
Nov 19 06:17:01 <jasta> zhobbs: do you have this issue in yoru app?  do you bind to your service in onstart or oncreate?
Nov 19 06:17:01 <DarkriftX> why does that sound familiar
Nov 19 06:17:40 <jasta> what does adb shell dumpsys activity | grep oom_adj say when your application isn't active?
Nov 19 06:17:40 <zhobbs> jasta: oncreate/ondestroy
Nov 19 06:18:33 <DarkriftX> lol, having root is great eh? gives you grep!
Nov 19 06:18:33 <DarkriftX> oh wait, your using adb
Nov 19 06:18:34 <zhobbs> that grep runs on your local box
Nov 19 06:18:50 <DarkriftX> yeah, didnt notice adb at first
Nov 19 06:20:05 * DarkriftX <3's grep
Nov 19 06:20:45 <zhobbs> jasta: what are you looking for in that output?
Nov 19 06:20:49 <jasta> zhobbs: what is oom_adj for your app when you're not using it?
Nov 19 06:20:49 <DarkriftX> it should be called "im too lazy to search through all that crap so find X for me"
Nov 19 06:21:06 <romainguy> zhobbs: the adapter can get this information :)
Nov 19 06:21:15 <jasta> mine shows 2, which is less than android.process.acore at 7...
Nov 19 06:21:15 <jasta> that seems totally wrong
Nov 19 06:21:32 <jasta> meaning home will get reaped before i do
Nov 19 06:21:37 <jasta> evne when music is not playing
Nov 19 06:22:55 <zhobbs> mine shows 2
Nov 19 06:22:59 <romainguy> jasta: are you sure 7 means it's higher chances to get killed?
Nov 19 06:23:07 <zhobbs> if I leave with the back button it's 15
Nov 19 06:23:24 <jasta> romainguy: yes, i talked to someone about it today.  and it's obvious from the output, system and com.android.phone have way negative values
Nov 19 06:23:25 <jasta> and most other things are much higher (14 or 15)
Nov 19 06:23:25 <romainguy> ok
Nov 19 06:23:26 <romainguy> (and you can define someone too :)
Nov 19 06:23:26 <jasta> zhobbs: right, if i leave with the back button in mine its also 15, because my service dies
Nov 19 06:23:34 <jasta> romainguy: i dont remember, fadden and jbq i think
Nov 19 06:24:25 <jasta> zhobbs: which means if the user stops playbakc and leaves with home, your app is unlikely to be reaped ahead of Home.
Nov 19 06:24:25 <jasta> which i think is pretty counter intuitive for the user... i suppose that is why i should be running the player in its own process i guess?
Nov 19 06:25:07 <jasta> the only solution i can think of is to bind/unbind during onstart/onstop so that your service can die any time its not playing and no activities are visible to the user.
Nov 19 06:25:25 <gambler_> romainguy, can you tell me why this wont show two widgets?
Nov 19 06:25:28 <gambler_> (parent child child)
Nov 19 06:25:30 <gambler_> http://pastebin.com/d74731b4 http://pastebin.com/d3bb6edf3 http://pastebin.com/m29ec8b9e
Nov 19 06:25:34 <jasta> but i cant see that any other apps are doing something like that, so i'm a bit confused
Nov 19 06:25:35 <mr_lou> Morning. I have a quick question about the G1: Can it record video in VGA? Thanks.
Nov 19 06:25:48 <romainguy> gambler_: ?
Nov 19 06:25:52 <gambler_> If I comment out one it shows the other no problem
Nov 19 06:26:11 <zhobbs> mr_lou: no vid recording
Nov 19 06:26:12 <mr_lou> Bummer...  thanks zhobbs
Nov 19 06:26:48 <gambler_> halp :)
Nov 19 06:27:44 <gambler_> Like if that parent becomes a RelativeLayout it will put one on top of the other
Nov 19 06:27:47 <romainguy> gambler_: comment out what?
Nov 19 06:27:51 <romainguy> your linearlayout is horizontal
Nov 19 06:27:52 <romainguy> and your first child is fill_parent
Nov 19 06:27:54 <gambler_> the <includes>
Nov 19 06:28:26 <romainguy> so the second one won't show up
Nov 19 06:28:52 <gambler_> wow..thx
Nov 19 06:33:32 <Leeds> right, G1 is at the shop for a couple of days
Nov 19 06:38:27 <spikebike> oh?
Nov 19 06:38:27 <spikebike> what did they say?
Nov 19 06:40:38 * umdk1d3 pulls over at some random gas station
Nov 19 06:41:26 <jasta> ?
Nov 19 06:41:26 <umdk1d3> romainguy: thanks :)
Nov 19 06:42:00 <umdk1d3> jasta: im driving home, like 18 hours
Nov 19 06:42:17 <Leeds> it's normally software with that phone (yeah, right!), they'll look at it for three days - I said two, beacuse I'm going away on Friday and I'd like to take it with me - and try to fix it, or something like that
Nov 19 06:43:25 <unix_remote> Leeds: you got them to fix it?
Nov 19 06:43:25 <Leeds> left it there
Nov 19 06:43:25 <jasta> umdk1d3: ouch from where?
Nov 19 06:43:26 <zhobbs> romainguy: any idea how to get the filter text in a CursorAdapter?
Nov 19 06:43:27 <Leeds> probably means they will try to reflash it, then give up when they can't get to the recovery console
Nov 19 06:43:28 <umdk1d3> montana to minnesota
Nov 19 06:43:28 <umdk1d3> at least ive had edge most of the way
Nov 19 06:43:45 <unix_remote> umdk1d3: heh, hope you bought a car charger ;-)
Nov 19 06:44:03 <umdk1d3> ive discovered that ssh, facebook, and ssh are all doable at 75mph  ;)
Nov 19 06:44:03 <unix_remote> LOL
Nov 19 06:44:03 <umdk1d3> *irc
Nov 19 06:44:13 <umdk1d3> especially in dakota which is all a stright shot with cruise ctl
Nov 19 06:47:36 <romainguy> umdk1d3: you'll soon understand the pain I have to go through each day :p
Nov 19 06:47:41 <unix_remote> 1) isnt it snowing 2) WHY DIDNT YOU FLY?
Nov 19 06:47:43 <gambler_> if that was me my facebook tag would probably say "im burning to death on I-95"
Nov 19 06:48:10 <gambler_> 18 hours -- hope you got some toothpicks for your eyelids
Nov 19 06:48:51 <gambler_> sensible questions unix
Nov 19 06:49:25 <RyeBrye> Leeds - maybe they have access to the .NBH reflashing files though
Nov 19 06:49:26 <RyeBrye> Leeds - or maybe their shady up-channel does
Nov 19 06:49:26 <Leeds> maybe
Nov 19 06:50:41 <Leeds> unlikely that the shop does... possible that the importer does
Nov 19 06:51:51 <umdk1d3> romainguy: wait, the job descrip didnt mention pain  :P
Nov 19 06:52:19 <Leeds> seriously, why didn't you fly?
Nov 19 06:53:08 <unix_remote> i can only imagine he was hauling cargo.
Nov 19 06:53:46 <umdk1d3> cuz im cheap ;)
Nov 19 06:53:55 <unix_remote> umdk1d3: flights are cheap if you plan ahead ;-P
Nov 19 06:53:55 <Leeds> bloody unreasonably cheap US petrol...
Nov 19 06:53:57 <unix_remote> Leeds: heh, our petrol doesnt come from the US.
Nov 19 06:54:23 <umdk1d3> yea i just filled for 1.84
Nov 19 06:54:23 <Leeds> it's still unreasonably cheap
Nov 19 06:54:31 <unix_remote> but yea I couldnt imagine taking an 18 hour road trip without a decent phone.
Nov 19 06:55:22 <romainguy> umdk1d3: the amount of pain is proportional to the activity on IRC :)
Nov 19 07:02:20 <snowflakes> hello
Nov 19 07:08:59 <Gary|tp> can I get just the ADB portion of the SDK for ubuntu
Nov 19 07:09:35 <Leeds> Gary|tp: why?
Nov 19 07:10:55 <RyeBrye> romainguy - inversely proportional?
Nov 19 07:10:56 <RyeBrye> romainguy - because I can talk more... ;)
Nov 19 07:11:12 <Gary|tp> I don't want the full SDK, just need to screw around with a shell and don't want to use the g1s keyboard
Nov 19 07:11:59 <RyeBrye> http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=6aa23cdf430b3dbb&q=cell+phone+source:life&ei=JbsjSdH8AoyGsAPvsayhCA&sig2=ZarVNW2KZlu1MRKpBQXggA&usg=__ZWoZHbHurcUcxP8wro2sKprIxJs=&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcell%2Bphone%2Bsource:life%26hl%3Den I totally want an android form in that form factor
Nov 19 07:12:08 <RyeBrye> hard to believe that was only 2002 when that kind of crap was cutting edge
Nov 19 07:12:12 <Leeds> Gary|tp: and you're on dial-up?
Nov 19 07:12:12 <Gary|tp> No, but I'm downloading three torrents already
Nov 19 07:12:46 <Leeds> oh, boo hoo
Nov 19 07:12:46 <Gary|tp> SDK is 50% done by now, just was hoping there was a faster way.
Nov 19 07:12:47 <RyeBrye> there is... pkill torrent
Nov 19 07:12:48 <RyeBrye> :P
Nov 19 07:12:56 <Gary|tp> Well, I'd prefer to keep those open too :P
Nov 19 07:12:58 <brocktice> Anyone had any luck getting FBReaderJ to load an epub book?
Nov 19 07:13:32 <brocktice> There's frustratingly little info on the freshmeat page.
Nov 19 07:13:36 <Gary|tp> RyeBrye: pretty hot
Nov 19 07:13:41 <brocktice> They said 0.2.1 was slow opening compressed files (including epub), but apparently slow = never.
Nov 19 07:13:53 <RyeBrye> Yeah, if you zoom in the guy didn't even take the little plastic protector off the phone
Nov 19 07:14:35 * RyeBrye totally wants to make a "Hot Sync" button or Android - that will launch something that takes an unreasonable amount of time to sync contacts with Google
Nov 19 07:14:36 <Leeds> I want to be able to hotsync with my PC
Nov 19 07:15:07 <RyeBrye> yeah, that would be tougher to work
Nov 19 07:15:25 <spikebike> hotsync what exactly?
Nov 19 07:15:25 <Leeds> there needs to be a way to backup a device
Nov 19 07:15:34 <spikebike> yeah, agreed on that one
Nov 19 07:15:34 <Leeds> everything: apps, data, settings...
Nov 19 07:15:34 <spikebike> that's the biggest missing piece that requires root IMO
Nov 19 07:17:11 <Leeds> there are other missing pieces, of course
Nov 19 07:18:20 <Gary|tp> I'm trying to find my first phone D:
Nov 19 07:18:53 <Gary|tp> Still have it somewhere, motorola iden series
Nov 19 07:18:54 <Gary|tp> thick as hell, non flip
Nov 19 07:20:05 <Leeds> mine was a candybar Nokia
Nov 19 07:20:16 <Gary|tp> http://www.phonedog.com/r/c/321-1004-167-175-250x275.jpg
Nov 19 07:20:16 <Gary|tp> found it
Nov 19 07:20:26 <Leeds> wow :-)
Nov 19 07:20:51 <Gary|tp> Was free :P
Nov 19 07:21:30 <Gary|tp> and came on the nextel employee plan, $15 a month for 550 day 1000 night weekeds unlimited data unlimited PTT
Nov 19 07:21:47 <Gary|tp> I had the plan for like 4 years after the employee quit lol
Nov 19 07:22:05 <Gary|tp> They finally cut me off, switched to sprint, got on yet another employee plan
Nov 19 07:22:51 <DarkriftX> Leeds: what happened to your phone to make it not work?
Nov 19 07:22:55 <Leeds> nothing that I know of
Nov 19 07:23:26 <DarkriftX> custom recovery or anything?
Nov 19 07:23:30 <Leeds> I shut it down... put a (probably inactive) 3G SIM in it to see what happened... it wouldn't come up... put my working 2G SIM back in... it wouldn't come up...
Nov 19 07:24:24 <DarkriftX> odd
Nov 19 07:24:24 <DarkriftX> what does it do?
Nov 19 07:24:25 <DarkriftX> how far does it boot up i mean
Nov 19 07:24:44 <Leeds> HTC bootloader runs, apparently okay
Nov 19 07:24:45 <Leeds> other than that, it won't go past the huge G1 logo
Nov 19 07:24:45 <DarkriftX> i c
Nov 19 07:24:45 <DarkriftX> so its probably os related
Nov 19 07:24:45 <Leeds> it doesn't get as far as recovery mode
Nov 19 07:25:08 <DarkriftX> oh
Nov 19 07:25:09 <DarkriftX> i wonder if they will have a way to reflash it or just replace it
Nov 19 07:25:28 <Leeds> problem is that it's a very grey import... I'm a long way from the US, but it's a US T-mob phone
Nov 19 07:25:40 <DarkriftX> oh :S
Nov 19 07:25:55 <Leeds> took it back to the store, they said they'd have a look... if it's a software problem, they will fix it 'for free'
Nov 19 07:25:58 <brocktice> Leeds: Can you get to the factory reset mode?
Nov 19 07:26:22 <Leeds> I suspect they will get as far as me and give up - the question is if they will replace it
Nov 19 07:26:45 <Leeds> brocktice: yes and no... there is a bootloader factory reset, which doesn't seem to make any difference... I can't get to the recovery mode, which has its own reset, and I don't know if it's just doing the same thing anyway
Nov 19 07:26:48 <brocktice> Hm
Nov 19 07:27:12 <brocktice> Bizarre
Nov 19 07:27:42 <DarkriftX> did you shut it down properly to remove the sim?
Nov 19 07:27:42 <DarkriftX> or just pull batt
Nov 19 07:28:36 <Leeds> I *do* know that the bootloader is trying to run/load some image, because it flashes up "image not found" briefly when it boots
Nov 19 07:28:37 <Leeds> I shut it down
Nov 19 07:29:11 <DarkriftX> thats the standard for bootloader if no image is on the card
Nov 19 07:29:12 <Leeds> but I think there's a chance I hit the power button while pulling the back off, so it may be that it was in early boot when I pulled the battery
Nov 19 07:29:28 <DarkriftX> i c
Nov 19 07:29:29 <DarkriftX> and during boot it does some flashing :S
Nov 19 07:29:29 <Leeds> right, so it would seem the only way to fix it will be with an image which can be reflashed by the bootloader
Nov 19 07:29:29 <DarkriftX> well, thats hopeful, hw is not as fixable
Nov 19 07:29:29 <Leeds> which I guess HTC could do...
Nov 19 07:29:31 <DarkriftX> i dont know if anyone does reflashing except for factory
Nov 19 07:29:32 <Leeds> there was a suggestion yesterday that I call HTC in Hong Kong and ask for help...
Nov 19 07:29:32 <DarkriftX> and that would mean replacement
Nov 19 07:30:13 <Leeds> but again, it's very grey... so it would probably mean sending it back to the US, up whatever supply chain got it to me
Nov 19 07:30:19 <languish> heya nyt
Nov 19 07:30:20 <DarkriftX> yeah...
Nov 19 07:30:27 <nyt> wordup
Nov 19 07:30:50 <Leeds> and all I really care about is having a working device in my hands - not too worried how it gets there :-)
Nov 19 07:32:14 <DarkriftX> i bet
Nov 19 07:32:25 <Leeds> the one good thing I will say is that it seems to be a very isolated case - haven't heard reports of anyone else bricking so badly
Nov 19 07:32:28 <DarkriftX> i hope they replace it, sounds like only thing that will help
Nov 19 07:33:32 <DarkriftX> most bricking are done by ppl abusing custom recovery lol
Nov 19 07:33:40 <Leeds> well... I did install the root-protected r30 - but that was almost a week before it bricked
Nov 19 07:33:43 <RyeBrye> that shouldn't have done it
Nov 19 07:33:43 <DarkriftX> no, i mean installing it and then custom kernel stuff
Nov 19 07:33:51 <DarkriftX> not just the modified images themselves
Nov 19 07:33:51 <DarkriftX> those seem to be safe
Nov 19 07:34:08 <Leeds> exactly
Nov 19 07:34:08 * DarkriftX looks at someone else who killed his radio lol
Nov 19 07:35:40 <Leeds> I've flashed many an embedded Linux in my time...
Nov 19 07:36:27 <nytg1emu> woo android irc handles freenode well at least, anyone know any .. odd ircsds?
Nov 19 07:37:02 <DarkriftX> abjects i think
Nov 19 07:37:02 <DarkriftX> lemme check it
Nov 19 07:37:19 <DarkriftX> its critenircd
Nov 19 07:37:35 <DarkriftX> sounds odd to me lol
Nov 19 07:37:37 <DarkriftX> if its not unreal, its odd
Nov 19 08:09:26 <spikebike> did someone mention new widgets?
Nov 19 08:11:35 <f00f-> no
Nov 19 08:44:38 <waldo_> anyone know how to get a library to build in eclipse?  i'm trying to build a modified gdata library.
Nov 19 08:45:05 <waldo_> "Run" doesn't seem to do it
Nov 19 08:48:03 <waldo_> i wanna build 'em into jars I can use in other projects... thoughts?
Nov 19 08:48:13 <waldo_> export/jar maybe
Nov 19 08:49:12 * P1ro dont have G1 yet
Nov 19 08:55:51 <waldo_> wow.. works.
Nov 19 09:18:38 <nyt_> new irc beta build up, http://countercultured.net/ircbeta.apk
Nov 19 09:21:31 <gambler_> irc from a handset seems like a recipe for carpal tunnel
Nov 19 09:21:34 <gambler_> are you going to use it with a bluetooth keyboard?
Nov 19 09:21:40 <gambler_> also your link isnt working :p
Nov 19 09:22:31 <waldo_> it worked for me from my laptop
Nov 19 09:22:31 <waldo_> didn't try the apk
Nov 19 09:22:34 <waldo_> what happened to michaelnovak's irc program
Nov 19 09:23:04 <languish> wait for it
Nov 19 09:23:44 <languish> and nyt_'s link works fine
Nov 19 09:24:36 <waldo_> so I have decided that the gdata java client library kinda sucks for android.  Something about https and keys and it's making my head hurt.
Nov 19 09:26:21 <languish> :(
Nov 19 09:27:11 <gambler_> weird that link doesnt work for me
Nov 19 09:38:29 <nyt_> my link works fine
Nov 19 09:38:29 <nyt_> hm
Nov 19 09:38:38 <nyt_> i filter a lot of non us space
Nov 19 09:38:39 <nyt_> do they even have g1's in the .au ? =]
Nov 19 09:39:12 <gambler_> not yet but i should have mine in 2 weeks
Nov 19 09:39:12 <nyt_> frequency XDCC OFFER: /ctcp nyt_ xdcc send #
Nov 19 09:39:12 <nyt_> #1 frequency.tar.gz[129KB]: latest frequency
Nov 19 09:39:12 <nyt_> #2 ircbeta.apk[40KB]: google irc for android
Nov 19 09:39:12 <nyt_> there
Nov 19 09:39:12 <nyt_> just ctcp nyt_ xdcc send #2
Nov 19 09:39:41 <nyt_> hm that wont work either
Nov 19 09:39:41 <nyt_> nevermind
Nov 19 09:39:41 <nyt_> gimme your email if you want
Nov 19 09:39:41 <nyt_> ill shoot you off a build of it
Nov 19 09:40:12 <kid> hey there, how i can install android on my TV ?
Nov 19 09:41:59 <gambler_> nyt_, src or bin only? im like a little layout elf right now scanning the net for layouts
Nov 19 09:42:23 <gambler_> my GUI skills leave alot to be desired
Nov 19 09:43:12 <nyt_> bin if you want it, not giving out source
Nov 19 09:43:13 <nyt_> my layout is basic
Nov 19 09:43:44 <nyt_> sent
Nov 19 09:43:46 * nyt_ goes to sleep
Nov 19 09:43:48 <nyt_> 445am
Nov 19 09:44:31 <gambler_> ok no worries
Nov 19 09:46:27 <gambler_> I guess irc wouldnt have much to layout other than a TextView
Nov 19 09:48:55 <nyt_> oh i do some tricky stuff tho =]
Nov 19 09:49:03 <gambler_> :)
Nov 19 09:53:12 <Leeds> kid: er, what?
Nov 19 10:17:16 <zzzaaaad> holla
Nov 19 11:36:05 <tauno> eclipse DDMS view keeps spamming me with "ADB rejected shell command (ls -l /): ".. how can I help the poor guy?
Nov 19 11:36:06 <tauno> ..have to restart emu/eclips I guess..
Nov 19 11:49:47 <Dialekt> sup
Nov 19 12:12:26 <tauno> "Obviously I am the most important person in the world. -- Dianne Hackborn hackbod@android.com" @ android-framework
Nov 19 12:40:05 <irig> Once android built on x86 on ubantu how to run it ?
Nov 19 12:40:50 <irig> i mean wht is the next step to be done
Nov 19 12:41:01 <irig> How can i do development on tht ?
Nov 19 12:41:08 <irig> Can any one explain ?
Nov 19 12:43:02 <tric> why did you build it yourself? use the sdk provided on code.google.com/android
Nov 19 12:43:25 <irig> thts for application users
Nov 19 12:43:33 <invain> of course,
Nov 19 12:43:38 <invain> you can build android full source on ubuntu 8.X
Nov 19 12:43:44 <irig> i want to do some modification the middleware
Nov 19 12:44:05 <irig> invain, how to execute once it is built ?
Nov 19 12:44:35 <irig> whts the next step after make ?
Nov 19 12:45:00 <invain> refer to  http://www.kandroid.org/board/board.php?board=androidsource&command=body&no=4
Nov 19 12:45:38 <invain> If you are using fedora 9 like me, refer to http://www.kandroid.org/board/board.php?board=androidsource&command=body&no=6
Nov 19 12:45:38 * joakime looks for the translate buttin.
Nov 19 12:45:48 <invain> don't care.
Nov 19 12:45:48 <invain> we can google service
Nov 19 12:45:55 <invain> for example
Nov 19 12:46:07 <invain> use http://www.google.com/translate/ web service.
Nov 19 12:46:22 <irig> invain , the site is not opening
Nov 19 12:46:31 <irig> http://www.kandroid.org/board/board.php?board=androidsource&command=body&no=4
Nov 19 12:46:43 <irig> Its in not in english
Nov 19 12:46:46 <invain> what is it means?
Nov 19 12:46:53 <irig> Its in not in english
Nov 19 12:46:57 <invain> what do you means ?
Nov 19 12:47:02 <invain> yes..
Nov 19 12:47:10 <irig> 회원권한이 지정되어 있습니다.
Nov 19 12:47:15 <invain> this site is korean website.
Nov 19 12:47:15 <invain> bute.
Nov 19 12:47:15 <invain> we can...
Nov 19 12:47:15 <invain> um..
Nov 19 12:47:17 <irig> Its some thing like this
Nov 19 12:47:26 <irig> oh
Nov 19 12:47:33 <joakime> irig: translates to - A membership is specified. Log. (its korean)
Nov 19 12:48:04 <irig> joakime means ?
Nov 19 12:48:15 <invain> at first ,
Nov 19 12:48:26 <invain> register member.
Nov 19 12:48:28 <irig> there is only one korean line thts all
Nov 19 12:48:38 <invain> and then,  connect to http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kandroid.org%2Fboard%2Fboard.php%3Fboard%3Dandroidsource%26command%3Dbody%26no%3D4&hl=ko&ie=UTF-8&sl=ko&tl=en
Nov 19 12:48:39 <Death_Syn> wow, i didn't know i had unicode support here
Nov 19 12:48:39 <joakime> irig, if I had to take a guess .... you'll need a login / account to see the content.
Nov 19 12:48:56 <invain> i think so
Nov 19 12:49:22 <invain> irig. at first, register your id at www.kandroid.org.
Nov 19 12:49:32 <invain> Are you understand?
Nov 19 12:50:26 <invain> irig wait.. i will register your id instead of you.
Nov 19 12:51:01 <irig> ok thnx invain
Nov 19 12:51:16 <invain> i registered your id successfully.
Nov 19 12:51:16 <invain> your id: irig
Nov 19 12:51:16 <invain> you pass: irig
Nov 19 12:51:16 <invain> connect to www.kandroid. org.
Nov 19 12:51:18 <invain> u a welcome.
Nov 19 12:51:31 <invain> I am korean.. hehe
Nov 19 12:51:31 <languish> change his password and give him a new one in /msg
Nov 19 12:51:32 <invain> Where are you from?
Nov 19 12:51:56 <irig> india
Nov 19 12:52:21 <invain> irig, Don't forget your pass after login
Nov 19 12:52:21 <invain> oh..
Nov 19 12:52:21 <invain> wow
Nov 19 12:52:45 <languish> invain, that was for you.  change irig's password. and give him a new pawwrd in private message
Nov 19 12:52:46 <languish> *password
Nov 19 12:53:39 <irig> i didnt get the message yet
Nov 19 12:53:45 <irig> invain where are u from ?
Nov 19 12:54:09 <invain> ok
Nov 19 12:54:15 <irig> how abt u languish ?
Nov 19 12:54:44 <invain> Can you explain me how to use private message in irc?
Nov 19 12:54:44 <invain> what is command?
Nov 19 12:55:05 <languish> yes.  /msg irig message here
Nov 19 12:55:25 <languish> irig, thank you, not necessary.
Nov 19 12:55:52 <invain> ok. thanks.
Nov 19 12:56:09 <languish> :)
Nov 19 12:56:10 <invain> MSG irig Hello
Nov 19 12:56:10 <invain> ??
Nov 19 12:56:10 <languish> use /
Nov 19 12:56:43 <invain> ok thanks..
Nov 19 12:57:34 <invain> irig. Do you receive  pass of irig id?
Nov 19 12:57:35 <invain> languish... thank you for your help.
Nov 19 12:57:36 <languish> you're welcome
Nov 19 12:57:37 <invain> knock.. knock..  irig??
Nov 19 12:57:37 <invain> Are you there now?
Nov 19 12:57:37 <invain> knock...
Nov 19 12:57:38 <languish> patience...
Nov 19 12:57:54 <irig> i didnt receive yet
Nov 19 12:58:00 <invain> um... maybe he will leave..
Nov 19 12:58:00 <invain> hehe
Nov 19 12:58:00 <languish> he's likely looking at the website
Nov 19 12:58:01 <invain> aha.. maybe...
Nov 19 12:58:18 <invain> oops
Nov 19 12:58:19 <invain> is sent with /msg command
Nov 19 12:58:36 <invain>  i will send again now.
Nov 19 12:58:41 <irig> ok
Nov 19 12:58:53 <languish> /msg irig hi!
Nov 19 12:58:53 <languish> like that
Nov 19 12:59:02 <invain> of course i know..
Nov 19 12:59:33 <invain> ls
Nov 19 12:59:37 <languish> yes invain that is correct
Nov 19 12:59:37 <anno^da_> nyt_: would you send me your irc app (bin) as well? I can't access the link from Germany either.
Nov 19 12:59:39 <invain> irig..
Nov 19 12:59:52 <invain> Do you recieve my private message ?
Nov 19 12:59:52 <invain> How about?
Nov 19 12:59:59 <irig> no invain
Nov 19 13:00:32 <invain> sss
Nov 19 13:00:32 <languish> irig, check your other windows
Nov 19 13:00:32 <languish> he is sending it correctly
Nov 19 13:00:37 <invain> yes
Nov 19 13:01:02 <invain> irigh. check another tab menu.
Nov 19 13:01:07 <invain> languish... Where is your hometown?
Nov 19 13:01:15 <languish> New York
Nov 19 13:01:22 <invain> wow.. new york is big city..
Nov 19 13:01:33 <invain> I visited newyork city before 3years.
Nov 19 13:01:37 <languish> new york is a big state :)  I also live in new york city
Nov 19 13:02:24 <invain> I recently stop by sanjose for business trip.
Nov 19 13:02:38 <languish> Long way from NYC :)
Nov 19 13:02:46 <invain> Do you interested in android platform?
Nov 19 13:02:51 <irig> ya got thnx invain languish
Nov 19 13:03:02 <languish> Yes, that is why I am here.
Nov 19 13:03:03 <languish> irig, no problem
Nov 19 13:03:04 <invain> How about android market in newyork?
Nov 19 13:03:19 <languish> invain, it's very good.
Nov 19 13:03:19 <languish> A lot of interest.
Nov 19 13:03:24 <invain> wow...
Nov 19 13:03:44 <languish> It could be better... but it's good.
Nov 19 13:04:03 <irig> have any one visited india ?
Nov 19 13:04:15 <invain> in fact, I want to  adjust   android platform to the  dtv (ex: openframe) in private.
Nov 19 13:04:32 <eugene> irig: once
Nov 19 13:04:45 <irig> which place in india ?
Nov 19 13:04:55 <invain> so I am studying  androud full opensource (example: bootloader , linux kernel, toolchain , system libraries, dalvik, an so on) with friends of community.
Nov 19 13:05:21 <languish> invain, for a Korean product only, or international product?
Nov 19 13:05:49 <invain> for world class product(no commercial).
Nov 19 13:05:59 <languish> nod
Nov 19 13:06:16 <invain> languish... What do you interested in tech part in  entire android platform?
Nov 19 13:06:19 <irig> hi
Nov 19 13:06:54 <invain> android api programming?
Nov 19 13:06:54 <invain> linux kernel?
Nov 19 13:06:55 <languish> invain, I'm mostly interested in observing how it developes, and perhaps to create apps I enjoy using for the future.
Nov 19 13:06:55 <invain> toolchain?
Nov 19 13:06:55 <irig> where can i check the how to proceed  with once make is successful ?
Nov 19 13:07:13 <invain> irig..
Nov 19 13:07:24 <languish> invain, for me it is more of a hobby.
Nov 19 13:07:25 <invain> If you are finished "make" command,
Nov 19 13:07:37 <languish> With *some* business related interest.
Nov 19 13:08:03 <invain> You can meet  prompt messages like "ubuntu$>  ".
Nov 19 13:08:30 <irig> ok then wht to do
Nov 19 13:09:00 <invain> Maybe, languish has interested in entertainment and programming.. Is it right?
Nov 19 13:09:12 <languish> invain, correct.
Nov 19 13:09:20 <irig> invain, can you explain how to run sample appliocations ?
Nov 19 13:09:32 <irig> after successful make
Nov 19 13:10:02 <invain> on emulator?
Nov 19 13:10:02 <invain> on G1?
Nov 19 13:10:10 <irig> say i want to run some media player application say for mp3 stream how to do tht ?
Nov 19 13:10:13 <irig> on emulator
Nov 19 13:10:19 <irig> x86 platform
Nov 19 13:10:27 <irig> that is PC platform
Nov 19 13:10:33 <invain> it's very easiy..
Nov 19 13:10:36 <invain> just "ubuntu#> adb install  sampelapplication.apk
Nov 19 13:10:45 <invain> are you understand?
Nov 19 13:11:10 <invain> in my case, i am using fedora 9 distribution now.
Nov 19 13:11:10 <invain> how about you?
Nov 19 13:11:17 <irig> ubuntu
Nov 19 13:11:23 <irig> are u from korea ?
Nov 19 13:11:30 <invain> yes...
Nov 19 13:11:37 <irig> which place ?
Nov 19 13:11:41 <irig> Seoul ?
Nov 19 13:11:41 <invain> south korea.
Nov 19 13:12:02 <invain> i also am working  at samsung company.
Nov 19 13:12:10 <irig> ok
Nov 19 13:12:10 <invain> do you know suwon city?
Nov 19 13:12:11 <irig> hahaha
Nov 19 13:12:17 <irig> Yup
Nov 19 13:12:19 <invain> Samsung is located in SUWON city.
Nov 19 13:12:21 <invain> so i am living in the suwon city.
Nov 19 13:12:44 <irig> sending u some personal messages
Nov 19 13:12:54 <invain> um.. i can exapling my location using google earth service.
Nov 19 13:13:15 <irig> invain,sending u some personal messages
Nov 19 13:13:22 <irig> how to send ?
Nov 19 13:13:56 <invain> haha..
Nov 19 13:14:30 <invain> um...
Nov 19 13:14:39 <invain> suwon city is... um...
Nov 19 13:14:52 <invain> connect to http://maps.google.com/ website. and then  query "suwon" word..
Nov 19 13:14:53 <invain> you can view suwon city.
Nov 19 13:15:11 <irig> sent you some personal message
Nov 19 13:21:12 <tauno> huh.. not android specific but still (since android has some palm OS people I think etc..): http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=14473
Nov 19 13:23:49 <kRutOn> invain: We always have tons of visitors from Samsung
Nov 19 13:24:27 <rwhitby> tauno: interesting ...
Nov 19 13:25:06 <rwhitby> tauno: does edelweiss have an english site?
Nov 19 13:25:30 * kRutOn . o O ( edelweiss, bless my homeland forever )
Nov 19 13:33:35 <invain> knock.. knock..
Nov 19 13:33:35 <invain> lanuish...
Nov 19 13:33:36 <invain> Are you there?
Nov 19 13:34:48 <invain> knock...
Nov 19 13:34:52 <invain> languish???
Nov 19 14:02:17 <eugene> irig: mumbai and bangalore
Nov 19 15:14:40 <Cooldude1922> How do you install the debugger in NAND flash to install the bootloader?
Nov 19 15:19:31 <Cooldude1922> hello?
Nov 19 15:19:59 <vol> hello
Nov 19 15:20:12 <vol> no idea
Nov 19 15:20:17 <vol> the bootloader on the G1 hasn't been broken yet, if that's what you're asking
Nov 19 15:20:17 <vol> no one has put custom bootloaders on yet
Nov 19 15:22:45 <Cooldude1922> but the documentation for android said that the bootloader is included in the software, and can be run from the debugger....
Nov 19 15:23:14 <vol> Well, the bootloader is probably included. You're going to need to hack it onto another device, though.
Nov 19 15:23:27 <vol> you might want to wait around for someone who's spent time putting android on another phone/device
Nov 19 15:23:30 <vol> since they actually know this stuff and not me : (
Nov 19 15:24:10 <Cooldude1922> oh ok kool.
Nov 19 15:24:30 <Cooldude1922> is anyone else that's in the member list, actually talking in here?
Nov 19 15:24:53 <vol> probably, but remember that people may be in different parts of the world.
Nov 19 15:25:02 <vol> it usually picks up in a couple of hours or so
Nov 19 15:25:25 <jbq> It's still early here in California.
Nov 19 15:26:06 <thoraxe> i wish people actually cared about the AOL IM on the g1
Nov 19 15:26:24 <thoraxe> the problem is that google doesn't give a shart about it because of gtalk
Nov 19 15:26:37 <thoraxe> and i bet most early adopters are google fanboys, so they don't care either
Nov 19 15:27:05 <thoraxe> not that "google fanboy" is a negative thing
Nov 19 15:27:12 <thoraxe> at least k9 fixes most of the email issues
Nov 19 15:27:55 <jbq> thoraxe: well, the core reason is entirely different actually. Google doesn't have the source code to the AOL client, and doesn't host the servers either.
Nov 19 15:28:22 <Disconnect> aol is a tmob mess
Nov 19 15:29:45 <thoraxe> so the aol im client on android is not open source?
Nov 19 15:29:48 <michaelnovakjr> no the aim code is not open source
Nov 19 15:29:48 <vol> there are Oscar libraries you can use, of course.
Nov 19 15:29:55 <thoraxe> ah, no shit
Nov 19 15:29:55 <vol> not that I'm sure oscar even works anymore
Nov 19 15:30:08 <thoraxe> vol: doesn't pidgin use oscar?
Nov 19 15:30:13 <vol> I'm sure they could have pulled parts of pidgen into it
Nov 19 15:30:13 <vol> thoraxe: absolutely not, as I recall
Nov 19 15:30:13 <thoraxe> perhaps i should give the meebo client a try
Nov 19 15:30:19 <jbq> thoraxe: nope, it's not open-source, and it's not Google-developed code.
Nov 19 15:30:25 <vol> they've reverse engineered the actual AIM protocol
Nov 19 15:30:31 <thoraxe> jbq: i had no idea
Nov 19 15:30:44 <vol> oscar is pretty abysmal
Nov 19 15:30:44 <jbq> thoraxe: I figured :)
Nov 19 15:30:44 <thoraxe> i wouldn't have even bothered to file bugs if i knew that
Nov 19 15:30:44 <Disconnect> pidgin used oscar back when it was gaim
Nov 19 15:30:49 <vol> did it?
Nov 19 15:30:58 <vol> I was almost certain that they reverse engineered AIM's protocol
Nov 19 15:31:29 <Disconnect> (strange side note, i used to work with luke s. like sat right next to him. super nice guy, too bad the one-man company he works for is such an unstable violent disaster.)
Nov 19 15:31:37 <jbq> thoraxe: if you filed them in the android issue tracker, there's a decent chance that they might still get passed around. Can't promise that, though.
Nov 19 15:32:18 <thoraxe> jbq: i definitely did.  if you search for "aol" i think 2 of them are mine
Nov 19 15:32:33 <thoraxe> i just found another bug the other day too regarding buddies in the buddy list showing up as unknown when they message you
Nov 19 15:32:33 <thoraxe> but i'm not sure how to replicate it
Nov 19 16:20:21 <thoraxe> god the meebo android client is far worse
Nov 19 16:21:51 <thoraxe> has anyone tried that streaming audio nagua app or whatever?  it doesn't appear to play audio through the speaker?
Nov 19 16:21:53 <wastrel> i've been thinking of getting into facebook more since i have some friends on there
Nov 19 16:22:00 <wastrel> anyone comment on the facebook app?
Nov 19 16:24:02 <thoraxe> the facebook ap is a wrapper for the iphone facebook web interface
Nov 19 16:24:10 <thoraxe> it's barely an "app", it just fixes some bugs
Nov 19 16:24:23 <thoraxe> the experience is almost identical to visiting facebook with the browser
Nov 19 16:24:32 <thoraxe> that being said, it's nice, works well, does what you need
Nov 19 16:25:02 <Disconnect> thats still a lot bette rthan the bank of america "app" which doesn't even fix bugs, just wraps up the WAP-era mobile site
Nov 19 16:25:20 <Disconnect> (fyi the BoA main non-mobile site works just fine..)
Nov 19 16:26:12 <thoraxe> where can you go to delete firefox downloads?
Nov 19 16:26:58 <Disconnect> wherever you told firefox to dl to (either in prefs or per-file)
Nov 19 16:26:58 <morrildl> thoraxe: I find that Pittsburgh works well for that
Nov 19 16:27:05 <lgbr> It's not clear, do I need to have gmail or can I just use a google account (sans gmail) on my phone?
Nov 19 16:27:56 <thoraxe> i find it amusing that there is a youtube client but google video doesn't work
Nov 19 16:27:56 <thoraxe> hehe
Nov 19 16:27:56 <Disconnect> needs gmail. otherwise it has no place for contacts.
Nov 19 16:28:27 <morrildl> lgbr: you can use @gmail.com or an address that is hosted on a domain that uses "Google Apps for Your Domain"
Nov 19 16:28:35 <morrildl> for instance, I use mine with my @google.com address
Nov 19 16:29:04 <lgbr> hmm, darn, ok
Nov 19 16:29:32 <morrildl> You can also create one from withinthe phone, and then just never use it and forget about it
Nov 19 16:29:42 <lgbr> that was what I was thinking
Nov 19 16:29:50 <KNY> is there a way to check if the device has another application installed?
Nov 19 16:29:50 <morrildl> asdlkrjqwlkjefasd@gmail.com
Nov 19 16:29:57 <KNY> basically, I'd like to be able to check if they have OI Update installed
Nov 19 16:30:01 <unix_lappy> morrildl: will app purchases in the future require that gmail account?
Nov 19 16:30:24 <lgbr> morrildl: Android has IMAP, doesn't it?
Nov 19 16:30:39 <thoraxe> morrildl: i just searched for "pittsburgh" in the market and got no results
Nov 19 16:30:52 <thoraxe> for a company whose core business is search, the market search feature sucks
Nov 19 16:31:46 <morrildl> unix_lappy: well, they will be required that the user have some kind of payment system hooked up, yes.  On the G1, the Market has the Google ID available so it will probably use that. (I'm not sure, I haven't asked the team about it)
Nov 19 16:32:00 <morrildl> on a different device, the Market client might behave differently
Nov 19 16:32:52 <thoraxe> morrildl: what is this pittsburgh app of which you speak
Nov 19 16:33:21 <thoraxe> Disconnect: so do you need a file browser app to clear out what firefox downloaded?
Nov 19 16:33:24 <morrildl> thoraxe: well, it was a joke.  You asked "where to go" so I said "Pittsburgh"
Nov 19 16:33:42 <SanMehat> hahaha
Nov 19 16:33:47 <KNY> morrildl, why would you come here? we don't even have 3G
Nov 19 16:34:00 <ttuttle> AT&T has 3G in Pgh ;-)
Nov 19 16:34:00 <thoraxe> morrildl: oh... amusing
Nov 19 16:34:00 <cbeust_> I prefer the "Where was I gonna go? Detroi?" routine myself
Nov 19 16:34:09 <Disconnect> at&t has 3g in everywhere
Nov 19 16:34:10 <morrildl> KNY: well you must have EDGE. :)
Nov 19 16:34:15 <thoraxe> i was hoping there was a setting or menu to delete or manage downloads
Nov 19 16:34:28 <morrildl> thoraxe: do you mean on device?
Nov 19 16:34:41 <SanMehat> morrildl: that reminds me of an open source talk i did where i threw in an obvious joke about 'patented cyclonic action', and afterwards someone asked a serious question with concerns about patented technology in open source projects
Nov 19 16:34:51 <KNY> morrildl, yeah, but edge is lame
Nov 19 16:34:59 <thoraxe> morrildl: what happens to a file after it is downloaded using the browser?  does the device store them forever?
Nov 19 16:36:49 <KNY> thoraxe, I believe they're on the SD card
Nov 19 16:37:25 <thoraxe> KNY: so how would you delete them?  would you have to connect to a computer to manually delete?
Nov 19 16:37:36 <KNY> thoraxe, most likely
Nov 19 16:38:09 <morrildl> thoraxe: /sdcard/download
Nov 19 16:38:18 <morrildl> mount it in a PC and you can delete them as usual
Nov 19 16:39:12 <thoraxe> that seems like a silly way to have to do it, but at least there's a way
Nov 19 16:41:09 <skbohra> Hi folks!
Nov 19 16:43:12 <skbohra> why everybody is running away ;)
Nov 19 16:44:16 <vol> hatred
Nov 19 16:45:06 <skbohra> ahhhh
Nov 19 16:46:32 <vol> fear
Nov 19 16:46:32 <vol> loathing
Nov 19 16:49:00 <tauno> huh.. that was weird - all icons in my app got mixed up (yes, I use them by the usual R.drawable.xxx way and I'm not doing anything strange there)
Nov 19 16:49:17 <tauno> just for one start... killed app, deleted it, installed the exact same apk again and everything is normal again
Nov 19 16:49:41 <tauno> it's like the id's in "R" and the real images got mixed up somehow..
Nov 19 16:49:48 <tauno> really strange
Nov 19 16:50:25 <vol> awesome
Nov 19 16:53:55 <Disconnect> thats cool
Nov 19 17:03:19 <Disconnect> i'd just liek to point out that working at a proper dot-com (east cost even) is awesome. chinese food and sushi lunch today :)
Nov 19 17:04:36 <Disconnect> (its not on the google-scale of taking care of people, but they bring in lunch 3x a week, we've got a wii to mess around with, etc. all stuff thats fairly unheard of out in this end of the country :) ..)
Nov 19 17:06:38 <tauno> wtf.. it happenend again..
Nov 19 17:06:52 <tauno> pictures are mixed up
Nov 19 17:07:47 <tauno> this time I just removed one picture from /drawable and then reintalled..
Nov 19 17:08:09 <tauno> Looks like R isn't generated again or something like that..
Nov 19 17:14:13 <vol> Disconnect: I have an office with a window, and two pretty awesome officemates. And a plate on the door that says my name! And a desk instead of a veal pen! :D
Nov 19 17:14:23 <vol> I consider this pretty damn lucky
Nov 19 17:16:28 <Disconnect> vol: window here overlooks discovery building. (and there are only 3 offices, most execs are out here with the rest of us) no cubes, open plan stuff. it works :)
Nov 19 17:19:01 <kRutOn> I'm in a 2.5k sq foot floor with two other people
Nov 19 17:19:19 <vol> I disapprove of Open Plan offices. Very noisy and messy.
Nov 19 17:19:19 <kRutOn> I have my own office, but that's because there are 8 offices and not enough people :-)
Nov 19 17:19:22 <vol> At worst I hear the noise of the 2 people in my office and a few people down the hall
Nov 19 17:19:55 <tauno>  we are in a 150square meter room with... 15 people I guess. sometimes more, someteimes less
Nov 19 17:22:12 <kRutOn> That reminds me of when the Korean handset vendors come for crunch time. There are about 30 that pack into a 150 sq ft (14 m^2) room and program.
Nov 19 17:22:56 <kRutOn> One time I accidentally opened the wrong door at this place and walked into that scene. I was stunned.
Nov 19 17:23:32 <vol> haha
Nov 19 17:23:38 <thoraxe> anyone in here plugging theirg1 into fedora?
Nov 19 17:23:46 <Disconnect> lots of white noise, never been anywhere more addicted to fans and airfilters.  so the crowd noise isn't too bad. (big long office, moderately broken up, with about 25-30 people max.)
Nov 19 17:24:13 <kRutOn> Disconnect: Boiler Room
Nov 19 17:24:35 <dd94300> how do i get application back to the Main Menu in G1?
Nov 19 17:24:58 <jasta> damnit, i accidentally ran ping on my phone again
Nov 19 17:36:15 <kRutOn> hm, when I flip orientation it doesn't reload the layout from layout-land or layout-port
Nov 19 17:39:05 <jasta> do you have configChanges="orientation" in your manifest?
Nov 19 17:41:23 <kRutOn> yep
Nov 19 17:41:52 <kRutOn> Should just calling setContentView(layoutID) handle the switch or do I need something else?
Nov 19 17:45:10 <zhobbs> kRutOn: if you have that set in the manifest then it won't use layout-land, drawable-land, etc
Nov 19 17:45:11 <zhobbs> unset it
Nov 19 17:45:24 <zhobbs> jasta: any thoughts on that service leak issue?
Nov 19 17:51:08 <jt436> service leak?
Nov 19 17:51:22 <jasta> zhobbs: i havent looked into it deeper yet...
Nov 19 17:51:47 <jasta> im looking into another alarming problem with oom adj and services :)
Nov 19 17:51:50 <zhobbs> jt436: I'm encountering a memory leak when I use a remote service with a callback listener
Nov 19 17:52:21 <zhobbs> jt436: problem goes away if I use a local service
Nov 19 17:53:04 <jt436> zhobbs: phew, I use local service and hadn't come across any issues.
Nov 19 17:55:58 <jasta> zhobbs: this oom adj issue is really concerning to me...
Nov 19 17:56:37 <jasta> it breaks down the users trust that android can manage processes for itself
Nov 19 17:57:21 <zhobbs> that "Power Manager" app is pretty neat
Nov 19 17:58:19 <zhobbs> def one of the most useful apps I've seen on the Market
Nov 19 17:59:09 <jasta> whoa, someone just fell down the stairs at my work
Nov 19 17:59:23 <jasta> zhobbs: whats it do?
Nov 19 17:59:59 <zhobbs> jasta: you can set different params/rules like: when battery < 30%: wifi=off; bluetooth=off; gps=off; screenbrightness=30/255; etc
Nov 19 18:00:23 <zhobbs> when on a/c power, when on usb power, etc
Nov 19 18:01:11 <zhobbs> and tracs some kind of stats, not sure what that is yet...
Nov 19 18:02:11 <jasta> hmm, tahts sorta useful i guess
Nov 19 18:02:25 <jasta> although battery life is not a problem for me since i plug my phone in on my drive home to listen to music
Nov 19 18:02:33 <jasta> so my 30 minute commute recharges it up to about 75% :)
Nov 19 18:02:45 <zhobbs> yeah
Nov 19 18:03:00 <zhobbs> battery isn't a big deal for me usually either because it's plugged into my computer all day
Nov 19 18:03:18 <jasta> oh i dont take mine out of my pocket at work
Nov 19 18:03:22 <jasta> except to fiddle ;)
Nov 19 18:03:25 <zhobbs> just seems like a cool idea to automatically conserve when you get down to 30%
Nov 19 18:05:49 <berto_at_school> does it use extra battery to run the program itself?
Nov 19 18:06:16 <zhobbs> haha, probably
Nov 19 18:06:34 <kRutOn> Is it normal that the Home button on my G1 does nothing?
Nov 19 18:07:02 <zhobbs> it's actually logging every ACTION_BATTERY_CHANGED, so that might hurt
Nov 19 18:07:02 <heat> bleh
Nov 19 18:07:22 <berto_at_school> It is a good idea in theory though, but seemingly not in practice
Nov 19 18:07:38 <jbq> kRutOn: no, it's not normal, but it's been known to happen. That happens essentially when the phone forgets that it went through the initial setup (the home key is originally disabled until setup completes).
Nov 19 18:07:47 <jbq> kRutOn: does the red key work (i.e. lock the device?)
Nov 19 18:07:54 <Damm> does power manager start on bootup? or do you have to run it like every other application
Nov 19 18:08:24 <kRutOn> jbq: It turns it off, but it never stays off
Nov 19 18:08:45 <kRutOn> jbq: Should I use Anycut to get into the SetupWizard again?
Nov 19 18:08:48 <jbq> kRutOn: ok, so you're probably seeing something else that I've never heard of.
Nov 19 18:09:18 <jbq> Don't run SetupWizard again "just to see if that fixes it", you've got a higher chance of breaking things that way.
Nov 19 18:10:11 <kRutOn> heh
Nov 19 18:10:11 <fadden> Maybe run "getevent" and see if it registers?
Nov 19 18:10:24 <fadden> (considering mechanical failure, unlikely as that would seem)
Nov 19 18:11:07 <kRutOn> jbq: What happens to the power button in the situation you know of?
Nov 19 18:11:56 <jbq> kRutOn: it also does nothing.
Nov 19 18:12:04 <kRutOn> hnm
Nov 19 18:12:16 <kRutOn> How do you get out of that situation?
Nov 19 18:12:43 <jasta> what's a "hidden" app (looking at HIDDEN_APP_ADJ in ActivityManagerService)?
Nov 19 18:13:01 <jbq> kRutOn: sadly, I don't know, sorry.
Nov 19 18:13:39 <kRutOn> fadden: I'm pretty sure it works since I can hold it down during booting to get the recovery console.
Nov 19 18:14:48 <berto_at_school> in VB I use try/catch does java have an equivelent?
Nov 19 18:15:01 <zhobbs> berto_at_school: yes, try/catch
Nov 19 18:15:01 <jbq> yes. try/catch.
Nov 19 18:15:02 <berto_at_school> same thing eh?
Nov 19 18:15:21 <jbq> same keywords, the syntax is probably a bit different (I don't know VB)
Nov 19 18:15:35 <berto_at_school> your not missing much there jbq
Nov 19 18:15:58 <fadden> kRutOn: for kicks, try "adb shell getevent" and see what happens when you hit the key
Nov 19 18:16:30 <jasta> fadden: i'm still researching this oom_adj thing.  it seems my app still doesn't quite get to the level i expect
Nov 19 18:16:50 <fadden> jasta: at this point you probably know more about it than I do
Nov 19 18:16:55 <jasta> and i'm also concerned that other apps are afflicted by this issue
Nov 19 18:17:11 <kRutOn>  /dev/input/event2: 0001 0066 00000001
Nov 19 18:17:11 <jasta> fadden: it seems the common pattern in all apps i've seen is to bind during on Create, unbind during onDestroy
Nov 19 18:17:25 <jasta> but users can and do navigate away from apps by just pressing the home screen
Nov 19 18:17:31 <fadden> kRutOn: that much seems to be working fine
Nov 19 18:17:38 <jasta> so any app using a service would not unbind in that case, and so the service could not die
Nov 19 18:17:45 <kRutOn> fadden: Hm, must be a preference in the OS somewheres.
Nov 19 18:17:57 <jasta> meaning that oom_adj for that process would stay at 2, despite the service nor activities being active
Nov 19 18:18:15 <jasta> this means that the entire process is unlikely to be reaped ahead of another which doesnt have a service ocmponent, despite being completely inactive
Nov 19 18:18:39 <jasta> worse yet, this puts it on the same level as Home and other important apps
Nov 19 18:18:44 <jasta> which definitely are more important than an inactive app with an inactive service
Nov 19 18:19:21 <jasta> the only solution to that which i can see is to bind/unbind in onstart/onstop, which seems really unpopular though i cannot see any noticable performance hit.  service connection probably happens so fast that it doesnt matter.
Nov 19 18:19:55 <jasta> but even with that technique in use, my process still seems to only raise to 7 or 8.
Nov 19 18:20:02 <jasta> and not 14, which i expect (it has a content provider)
Nov 19 18:20:43 <fadden> jasta: I'm going to paste this into a bug report and try to get an answer.
Nov 19 18:20:43 <jasta> i looked it up and 7 seems to be HIDDEN_APP_ADJ
Nov 19 18:21:08 <jasta> no idea why my app would be hidden.
Nov 19 18:21:12 <kRutOn> There's a method in SetupWizard called 'disableAsHomeActivity'
Nov 19 18:22:36 <jasta> fadden: the reason i started thinking about all of this is because every time i used the browser and returned, home was restarting.  when i looked closer, my process was taking up a lot of memory but had a lower oom_adj.  i have more or less resolved this issue in my own app (though still curious why i cant get oom_adj up to 14, where it should be)
Nov 19 18:23:05 <jasta> but moreover, i'm concerned that i am using a bind/unbind logic that is very uncommon in android apps
Nov 19 18:23:33 <jasta> -a
Nov 19 18:25:46 <jasta> fadden: also, the oom_adj for home (com.android.acore) in the emu is at 7 when you're not looking at it, on the g1 it's 2.
Nov 19 18:25:47 <fadden> The bug, she is filed.  There may be some reason why it needs to work this way.
Nov 19 18:25:50 <jasta> that seems like a bug too :)
Nov 19 18:26:17 <jasta> as in, the behaviour of the oom killer with regard to home would be different on device and emu.  not good :)
Nov 19 18:28:12 <jasta> what i ultimately found was that my email IMAP IDLE hacks were somehow using 11MB of memory according to dumpsys meminfo hehe.  for some reason the oom killer was reaping home instead to reclaim memory tho
Nov 19 18:28:16 <jasta> but that is a separate issue.  my email hacks still do not split the service process away from the activity
Nov 19 18:28:27 <jasta> (though it seems odd the app would be using so much memory)
Nov 19 18:30:35 <jasta> fadden: i wonder if a nice 2.0 feature would be some finer controls for app developers on oom_adj priority.
Nov 19 18:31:08 <jasta> maybe introducing finer granularity so that apps like Home can claim to be more important than others
Nov 19 18:31:08 <fadden> jasta: I expect most developers would want "give me all of the CPU and never kill me".
Nov 19 18:31:20 <jasta> without being arbitrarily set by the platform
Nov 19 18:31:26 <fadden> Just because developers tend to believe their app is the most important thing in all the world. :-)
Nov 19 18:31:38 <jasta> fadden: the platform can't protect against abuse any better the way its currently designed
Nov 19 18:31:58 <jasta> i can make a service, start it, setForeground(true), then screw you, im more important than Home.
Nov 19 18:31:58 <fadden> True dat.
Nov 19 18:32:22 <fadden> I'm just not sure that giving developers the knobs to turn will produce better results.
Nov 19 18:32:41 <jasta> well, in the case of Home it would.
Nov 19 18:32:55 <jasta> unless you specifically fiddle, Home should be more important than you unless youre in the foreground.
Nov 19 18:34:37 <romainguy_> we decided to treat Home as other apps
Nov 19 18:34:40 <romainguy_> it used to be treated differently
Nov 19 18:35:31 <andyross> That seems fine to me.  What does annoy me is that sometimes I find the screenblank engages, and whatever handles the menu key to get it to turn back on has been killed and I need to wait 3-4 seconds with a blank phone.
Nov 19 18:36:09 <jasta> romainguy_: do you know why you changed it?  not that i advocate it being arbitrarily held higher than other apps, but i do support some method which defaults the home app to being more important, even if slightly
Nov 19 18:36:50 <jasta> right now it currently looks to be, in practice, treated with a higher priority than most other apps at least.  it had oom_adj=2, which is the same as a bakcground service
Nov 19 18:37:51 <jasta> i would think there should be some finer granularity between foreground services, home, and background services.  home should not be more important than a foreground service, but should not be equally as important as a background service
Nov 19 18:38:18 <romainguy_> jasta: because the Home process used to use quite a bit of memory (around 8 MB) and we preferred the user to be able to run more apps, so we made that process killable
Nov 19 18:38:48 <romainguy_> and I tried very hard to make Home start really quickly
Nov 19 18:39:10 <romainguy_> which unfortunately does not work that well when the device is getting out of resources ^^
Nov 19 18:39:12 <romainguy_> in the current tree Home is back to its own process
Nov 19 18:43:20 <jbq> i/o contention is a nasty beast :(
Nov 19 18:43:34 <romainguy_> yep
Nov 19 18:43:35 <romainguy_> Home doesn't like it :(
Nov 19 18:44:49 <dream_kill> romainguy why a full image compiled in the sdk doesn't work properly in G1?
Nov 19 18:45:05 <dream_kill> i put everything in my device
Nov 19 18:45:10 <jasta> well either way, i think the bigger problem is the pattern for activities to bind during onCreate which leaves any app using a service likely to stay alive with oom_adj=2, even if the service isnt doing anything
Nov 19 18:45:11 <dream_kill> boot.img, system.img, userdata
Nov 19 18:45:12 <dream_kill> it boots up
Nov 19 18:45:13 <dream_kill> but
Nov 19 18:45:16 <dream_kill> NO wifi
Nov 19 18:45:18 <dream_kill> No bluetooth
Nov 19 18:45:30 <dream_kill> app crashing all the time ...
Nov 19 18:47:45 <romainguy_> dream_kill: because the SDK is not the exactly the G1 :)
Nov 19 18:47:59 <dream_kill> i know..
Nov 19 18:48:00 <dream_kill> but...
Nov 19 18:48:12 <dream_kill> it what to add to it to make it work :P
Nov 19 18:48:49 <romainguy_> dream_kill: use the source code from source.android.com :)
Nov 19 18:48:54 <dream_kill> that i used
Nov 19 18:48:54 <romainguy_> I believe it contains a script that will extract the necessary bits from the G1
Nov 19 18:49:03 <dream_kill> yes
Nov 19 18:49:06 <dream_kill> i extracted the needed files
Nov 19 18:49:20 <dream_kill> placed there
Nov 19 18:49:29 <dream_kill> did make produt-target htc-dream
Nov 19 18:49:29 <dream_kill> compiled
Nov 19 18:49:42 <dream_kill> no errors
Nov 19 18:49:43 <dream_kill> but.. in device ....
Nov 19 18:49:51 <dream_kill> not working properly
Nov 19 18:49:51 <dream_kill> so ....
Nov 19 18:50:15 <zhobbs> dream_kill: how do you get the image to the device?
Nov 19 18:50:25 <DarkriftX> with root
Nov 19 18:50:40 <dream_kill> yep :P
Nov 19 18:50:41 <zhobbs> just copy the files I guess?
Nov 19 18:50:41 <dream_kill> flashed my recovery
Nov 19 18:50:50 <DarkriftX> biuld a custom image and flash it
Nov 19 18:50:56 <dream_kill> then boot in my recovery
Nov 19 18:51:00 <zhobbs> oh, there's a way to flash it...do you have a link?
Nov 19 18:51:05 <dream_kill> and from there flash all :D
Nov 19 18:51:05 <DarkriftX> do you hav eroot zhobbs?
Nov 19 18:51:05 <dream_kill> boot
Nov 19 18:51:05 <dream_kill> system
Nov 19 18:51:15 <dream_kill> user...
Nov 19 18:51:16 <dream_kill> but...
Nov 19 18:51:23 <dream_kill> not working
Nov 19 18:51:24 <zhobbs> DarkriftX: I did...got annoyed by the "update available" messages
Nov 19 18:51:29 <dream_kill> it has some nice snake game :D
Nov 19 18:51:34 <DarkriftX> then there is nothing you can do
Nov 19 18:51:40 <dream_kill> but most of apps are crashing :(
Nov 19 18:51:57 <dream_kill> nice dev tool too
Nov 19 18:52:11 <dream_kill> i like the CPU info :D
Nov 19 18:52:20 <zhobbs> still, you have a link to instructions for flashing a custom image?
Nov 19 18:52:26 <romainguy_> dream_kill: what are the crashes?
Nov 19 18:52:27 <DarkriftX> http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
Nov 19 18:52:31 <Disconnect>  sign it, slap it in sd as update.zip, put in a recovery.img that has your keys and bam
Nov 19 18:52:32 <DarkriftX> its all on ther zhobbs
Nov 19 18:52:36 <DarkriftX> there*
Nov 19 18:52:54 <dream_kill> let me reflash again and give u the exact error
Nov 19 18:53:04 <dream_kill> as now device back to normal :D
Nov 19 18:53:11 <dream_kill> from memory
Nov 19 18:53:15 <dream_kill> in setings
Nov 19 18:53:18 <zhobbs> DarkriftX: thanks!
Nov 19 18:53:23 <dream_kill> when select wifi on
Nov 19 18:53:30 <dream_kill> the app settings.apk close
Nov 19 18:53:33 <Disconnect> dream_kill: got the right localversion?
Nov 19 18:53:34 <dream_kill> same for bluetooth
Nov 19 18:53:43 <dream_kill> yes
Nov 19 18:53:56 <dream_kill> used my kernel with the correct localversion :D
Nov 19 18:54:07 <dream_kill> insmod wlan.ko works
Nov 19 18:54:16 <dream_kill> no error
Nov 19 18:54:18 <dream_kill> but in settings crash
Nov 19 18:54:18 <zhobbs> DarkriftX: doh, so no way to go back to RC29 huh?
Nov 19 18:54:34 <DarkriftX> not yet
Nov 19 18:54:47 <DarkriftX> patience is a virtue
Nov 19 18:55:05 <DarkriftX> which few possess
Nov 19 18:56:39 <jbq> dream_kill: does the same thing work on the emulator? I had hit a few crashes on the emulator on the open-source tree.
Nov 19 18:57:13 <dream_kill> not tryed in emulator
Nov 19 18:57:19 <dream_kill> tryed on real device only
Nov 19 18:57:51 <jbq> I'd try that first. If you hit the same crash, you know the issue isn't on your side.
Nov 19 18:58:30 <dream_kill> will try
Nov 19 19:01:19 <herriojr> so if anyone wants to do port directed sms's here's the filter (and other apps can read off of the port too):
Nov 19 19:01:19 <herriojr> <intent-filter>
Nov 19 19:01:19 <herriojr>     <action android:name="android.intent.action.DATA_SMS_RECEIVED"/>
Nov 19 19:01:19 <herriojr>     <data android:scheme="sms" android:host="localhost" android:port="6124"/>
Nov 19 19:01:19 <herriojr>    </intent-filter>
Nov 19 19:28:24 <dream_kill> adb -d shell
Nov 19 19:28:24 <dream_kill> dmesg
Nov 19 19:28:33 <dream_kill> and pc gets a BOD :D
Nov 19 19:28:38 <dream_kill> cool
Nov 19 19:28:45 <dream_kill> works EVERY time :D
Nov 19 19:28:52 <dream_kill> this is 3rd time i tested
Nov 19 19:29:01 <dream_kill> and done it again :D
Nov 19 19:29:18 <Disconnect> thats a hint. boot linux.
Nov 19 19:29:18 * dream_kill 's pc is a laptop Sony vaio, window xp sp3
Nov 19 19:36:28 <Damm> file a bug
Nov 19 19:40:16 <vol> dream_kill: dual boot.
Nov 19 20:06:05 <jambooda> does anyone know if you are able to run java applets on chrome in the G1?
Nov 19 20:06:27 <jasta> jambooda: chrome is not running on the G1
Nov 19 20:06:37 <jasta> regardless, no, yo ucant run java applets on the browser in the g1
Nov 19 20:06:58 <jambooda> oh i htought the browser was a mobile version of chrome
Nov 19 20:07:02 <jasta> you thought wrong
Nov 19 20:07:07 <jambooda> well then I stand corrected
Nov 19 20:07:08 <jambooda> what browser it is anyway?
Nov 19 20:07:20 <unix_lappy> it's similar, but regardless, I dont even think you have a proper jre to run said applet.
Nov 19 20:07:28 <jambooda> that's what I thought
Nov 19 20:07:35 <jasta> it is webkit, with modifications and a shell by gogle
Nov 19 20:07:35 <jasta> google*
Nov 19 20:07:40 <jbq> it's an android-specific browser that uses webkit as its layout and scripting engine.
Nov 19 20:08:06 <jasta> unix_lappy: it does not.
Nov 19 20:08:25 <jasta> jambooda: Android does not support Java either.  It has no runtime JRE.
Nov 19 20:08:43 <jasta> everything runs through Dalvik, which is quite incompatible
Nov 19 20:10:25 <kRutOn> There has to be a JVM written in pure Java somewhere :-)
Nov 19 20:10:34 <ttuttle> kRutOn: Augh, why?
Nov 19 20:10:54 <kRutOn> Because people are crazy
Nov 19 20:11:22 <jambooda> or maybe someone needs to write it
Nov 19 20:11:45 <kRutOn> MyJVM : a 100% pure Java parameterizable Java virtual machine
Nov 19 20:11:49 <andyross1> The complexity is that what while dalvik runs a trans-compiled version of java bytecode, the *compiler* for dalvik runs on the host, not the phone.
Nov 19 20:12:15 <andyross1> So you can't do anything with a .class file if you're on the phone.  You need to run it through the dx tool from the SDK.
Nov 19 20:13:22 <Terdhex> has anybody encounter a problem in which the emulator doesn't start and it seems to loop over and over?
Nov 19 20:13:25 <vol> I haven't. Have you looked at the logcat output?
Nov 19 20:13:29 <Terdhex> yeah
Nov 19 20:13:45 <vol> it paused at the text only ANDROID when I screwed up trying to mount an empty data dir
Nov 19 20:13:46 <Disconnect> j2me runner is kinda similar :)
Nov 19 20:14:23 <Terdhex> E/AndroidRuntime(  558): Uncaught handler: thread ActivityManager exiting due to uncaught exception
Nov 19 20:14:23 <Terdhex> E/AndroidRuntime(  558): *** EXCEPTION IN SYSTEM PROCESS.  System will crash.
Nov 19 20:14:23 <Terdhex> E/AndroidRuntime(  558): java.lang.IllegalStateException: already initialized
Nov 19 20:14:24 <kRutOn> Disconnect: I think that still uses the dx tool
Nov 19 20:14:36 <Disconnect> it runs on the device..?
Nov 19 20:16:22 <kRutOn> Disconnect: Oh really? hmm
Nov 19 20:19:40 <kRutOn> oh yeah, it looks like it uses http://www.microemu.org/
Nov 19 20:24:12 <hendry> in my webkit git. it's (no branch) by default. is that right?
Nov 19 20:24:52 <jbq> I believe that's right, but I'm really not a git expert.
Nov 19 20:28:02 <michaelnovakjr> hendry that is the way all the git repositories in the source are setup
Nov 19 20:28:33 <michaelnovakjr> you can certainly create a branch and add another remote server to use as your own git management while still have update access to google's
Nov 19 20:30:43 <hendry> so what is what with korg/master, korg/release-1.0 & m/master
Nov 19 20:31:08 <hendry> basically i am trying to track and test new updates to Android's browser
Nov 19 20:31:18 <hendry> before they hit my G1
Nov 19 20:34:37 <jbq> That's not currently possible, actually. The images for the G1 aren't built straight out of the open-source tree.
Nov 19 20:34:58 <herriojr> what is the android package mime-type?
Nov 19 20:35:16 <herriojr> is it application/vnd.android.package-archive?
Nov 19 20:35:35 <jbq> sounds right
Nov 19 20:36:04 <herriojr> hmm, I can't get the activity started to install a package...
Nov 19 20:36:12 <jbq> on device or emulator?
Nov 19 20:36:56 <herriojr> on device, it's saying it can't find the file, but it does in fact exist
Nov 19 20:37:46 <jbq> is your file readable by other apps?
Nov 19 20:37:51 <hendry> jbq: so the source comes out once they made a release? i thought they might be a bit more transparent :/
Nov 19 20:38:08 <herriojr> Unable to start service { action-android.intent.action.VIEW data=file:///sdcard/install14086.apk type=application/vnd.android.package-archive flags=0x10000000 }: not found
Nov 19 20:38:35 <jbq> herriojr: I think you're trying to start a service, while this is an activity.
Nov 19 20:38:38 <jbq> See manifest here: http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/packages/apps/PackageInstaller.git;a=blob;f=AndroidManifest.xml;h=2cc5b1a02c163a05ae56fa4258e58aa555f0c26d;hb=master
Nov 19 20:39:07 <herriojr> yup, you're right
Nov 19 20:40:14 <jbq> hendry: it's not that easy. In a general fashion, there might be a private tree somewhere that contains private applications (e.g. for the G1 the apps that aren't part of the platform itself). On top of that, the fixes for severe security issues might not make it to a public tree until a fix has been satisfactorily deployed.
Nov 19 20:40:56 <jbq> On top of that, for the G, a lot of the work predates the open-sourcing of android, which makes things even more complex.
Nov 19 20:41:10 <jbq> s/G/G1/
Nov 19 20:41:10 <infobot> jbq meant: On top of that, for the G1, a lot of the work predates the open-sourcing of android, which makes things even more complex.
Nov 19 20:41:20 <herriojr> cool, now my sms application download works
Nov 19 20:42:10 <jbq> herriojr: I have the feeling that you're doing something scarily clever. Good for you :)
Nov 19 20:42:23 <hendry> jbq: is this comparable to how apple/safari do it?
Nov 19 20:42:27 <jbq> hendry: yes
Nov 19 20:43:46 <filosofico> hi ... how to get a package installed in /system/app rather than /data/app (obviously acting on android source code)?
Nov 19 20:43:51 <herriojr> ok, so, what's the life cycle on temporary files?
Nov 19 20:43:58 <hendry> jbq: so if i wanted to contribute some idea/development to android. i would need to push it to Webkit first?
Nov 19 20:45:00 <hendry> jbq: i wanted to look into creating some gesture where i could select an image and make it fullscreen. i mean where do I file wishlist bugs where the Google browser team might read it?
Nov 19 20:45:01 <jbq> hendry: you can contribute directly to the android tree. As a general goal we'd like all changes to be pushed back upstream.
Nov 19 20:45:34 <jbq> hendry: http://b.android.com/ is the currently preferred location.
Nov 19 20:45:47 <jasta> hendry: cant you do that currently with long pressing the image?
Nov 19 20:47:24 <hendry> jasta: i guess so, view image. but's quite slow.
Nov 19 20:47:46 <hendry> perhaps i am rather wondering where such UI improvesments go
Nov 19 20:48:30 <jbq> Sounds like that might be more specific to the browser app (as opposed to any app that uses WebView), so that'd be in apps/Browser (or wherever the exact location is)
Nov 19 20:54:39 <herriojr> jbq: I'll let you know when my app comes out, and you can tell me if it was actually clever or not :)
Nov 19 20:54:57 <jbq> :)
Nov 19 22:03:42 <thesquib> Does anyone know how to reset the autoincrement value on a table in sqlite? i.e when the table is cleared, then a new record should start from 1
Nov 19 22:05:56 <vol> not sure if that's possible
Nov 19 22:06:08 <RyeBrye> thesquib - why would you care what that number is?
Nov 19 22:06:25 <RyeBrye> thesquib - if it's autoincrementing, chances are you are using it for something you are wanting to guarantee to be unique in a simple way
Nov 19 22:15:31 <unix_lappy> anyone know if there's an API for amazon's Mechanical Turk service?
Nov 19 22:15:42 <unix_lappy> or if they've slated a mobile app for release soon?
Nov 19 22:23:49 <mikey|> does android provide any api for validating ssl certs?
Nov 19 22:28:26 <jasta> i really need to get my ass in gear supporting sending changes from the phone to the server with five
Nov 19 22:28:35 <jasta> i want to be able to construct or modify playlists ont he device and have them go back up to the server
Nov 19 22:29:52 <wastrel> number five
Nov 19 22:32:29 <AttractiveApe> jasta: enjoying your phone?
Nov 19 22:34:46 <Damm> damn winmo users got fucked... no internet explorer mobile 6 for 'upgrades'
Nov 19 22:35:03 <Damm> only new devices that are more powerful.
Nov 19 22:35:16 <benley> well duh
Nov 19 22:35:21 <Damm> thats m$ for ya
Nov 19 22:35:45 <jasta> AttractiveApe: oh yes :)
Nov 19 22:37:40 <AttractiveApe> Damm: using pie on a winmo device is silly when you have things like opera and skyfire.
Nov 19 22:42:16 <floppyears> they are probably better off using opera mini
Nov 19 22:51:45 <benley> opera for winmo seemed a lot better than IE last I used it
Nov 19 22:52:40 <vol> * for * seemed a lot better than IE last I used it
Nov 19 22:52:49 <benley> I meant IE for winmo, if that wasn't abundantly clear
Nov 19 22:53:28 <fadden> vol: you never used IE for Solaris
Nov 19 22:53:35 <benley> fadden: rofl, I used that
Nov 19 22:54:07 <vol> sweet jesus
Nov 19 22:54:07 <vol> it seems like it would burst in flames
Nov 19 22:54:07 <herriojr> question, since android is open, can we do port directed sms's from a server to the phone without having to be white-listed by tmobile?
Nov 19 22:55:56 <mikey|> does the g1 have a 'tab' button?
Nov 19 22:56:19 <Damm> AttractiveApe, truthfully yes.  But I find it sad that MS acts that way.
Nov 19 22:56:36 <Damm> mikey|, yes
Nov 19 22:56:55 <mikey|> thanks damn
Nov 19 22:57:00 <mikey|> damm*
Nov 19 22:58:24 <vol> mikey|: yes. it's where the tab button goes.
Nov 19 22:59:48 <meshuga> benley: opera for linux on the zaurus was exceptional, esp with zooming
Nov 19 22:59:50 <meshuga> i remember doing 10% and being able to read the txt still
Nov 19 22:59:52 <benley> meshuga: heh, I don't think I ever ran that
Nov 19 23:00:02 <benley> I still have a zaurus sl-5500 behind my desk here
Nov 19 23:00:13 <meshuga> the tablet style which much cooler
Nov 19 23:00:52 <romainguy_> benley: looved taht one
Nov 19 23:01:09 <benley> romainguy_: want mine? I haven't used it for like 2 years
Nov 19 23:01:10 <romainguy_> I wouldn't use it :)
Nov 19 23:01:15 <romainguy_> I'm still bitter mine got stolen :)
Nov 19 23:01:24 <romainguy_> but it was a good machine
Nov 19 23:03:11 <unix_lappy> i'm guessing opera mobile doesnt support the pinching gesture either?
Nov 19 23:03:58 <meshuga> my c1000 got stolen :(
Nov 19 23:05:03 <floppyears> benley: so how does android compare to one of those zaurus ?
Nov 19 23:11:39 <Damm> meshuga, thought green lake was a good neighborhood
Nov 19 23:12:37 <benley> floppyears: I haven't used a zaurus newer than the sl-5600
Nov 19 23:13:05 <benley> floppyears: so my answer probably isn't useful, but I find android to be quite a bit more modern.  Shocking, I'm sure :)
Nov 19 23:13:30 * floppyears didn't get to play with the old zaurus, so floppy wasn't sure how they stacked to android
Nov 19 23:14:34 <benley> the qtopia interface was very pen-reliant when I last used it
Nov 19 23:14:35 <benley> whereas android is designed around using a finger
Nov 19 23:14:37 <ttuttle> benley: ...or the trackball :)
Nov 19 23:14:37 <benley> yeah, or trackball.
Nov 19 23:14:54 <ttuttle> benley (/me <3 the trackball.)
Nov 19 23:14:56 <benley> but like, qtopia had scrollbars you had to use.  And they were always on the right side.  Which is FAIL if you're left handed.
Nov 19 23:14:56 <benley> Which I am.
Nov 19 23:16:30 <unix_lappy> ditto.
Nov 19 23:18:51 <RyeBrye> can you access the camera in a background service?
Nov 19 23:20:23 <Damm> that'd be neat
Nov 19 23:23:40 <floppyears> are there any tricks to getting a good shot with that camera ? my old phone with 2mp camera was better :(
Nov 19 23:24:03 <jasta> its just a shitty camera.  the number of megapixels a camera outputs is hardly the benchmark on quality
Nov 19 23:24:03 <vol> use another phoen : (
Nov 19 23:24:04 <vol> phone
Nov 19 23:24:36 <fadden> floppyears: cleaning the clear plastic part on the inside and outside of the back cover can help.
Nov 19 23:24:44 <jasta> which makes sense when you think about it, a good camera could output a very high quality image in just 640x480
Nov 19 23:24:53 <fadden> Other than that, stand somewhere with lots of light and try not to shake.
Nov 19 23:24:53 <vol> s/light/natural light/
Nov 19 23:25:15 <jasta> ive always been disappointed with cell phone cameras to the point that i would not mind if they were even included at all
Nov 19 23:25:23 <fadden> Unnatural light works fine if you get enough of it.  Supernatural light is not recommended.
Nov 19 23:25:28 <jasta> they are so bad that you cant ever take a single useful photo with them
Nov 19 23:25:44 <jasta> so they arent good for any purpose
Nov 19 23:26:54 <chris_debian_> Guys, I think my connection dropped.  Is there  zaurus sl-5500 up for grabs?
Nov 19 23:43:11 <Lieutenant> LOL a garage door opener app!! that'll be badass!
Nov 19 23:44:01 <Lieutenant> wtf? lol u have to hook ur garage door to the net? thats gay as hell. i would never even think twice about doing that
Nov 19 23:45:54 <Lieutenant> daaamn he is also thinkin bout makin an app where u can turn ur lights on and off in whatever room ur in.
Nov 19 23:50:56 * jasta wonders what sort of network technologies are going to be built on the white spaces in the US
Nov 19 23:51:21 <jasta> without any type of standard or exclusivity, how is this going to even function?
Nov 19 23:53:59 <andyross1> jasta: Yeah, it'll be a useless mess, just like 2.4GHz. :)
Nov 19 23:54:50 <jasta> right, i just get confused that everyone is talking about it like it's magic.  even google seems not to understand that just because you can transmit on a particular spectrum doesn't magically make anything do anything
Nov 19 23:54:59 <andyross1> Seriously though.  Spread spectrum technologies are way up there on the list of "great ideas", next to special relativity and the flushing toilet.
Nov 19 23:55:17 <jasta> and its completely useless without a standard and someone actually providing some service with it.  we have no idea what that'll look like?
Nov 19 23:56:40 <andyross1> Yeah, but wind the clock back 10 years and you could say exactly the same stuff about 900MHz or 2.4GHz.  Who knew?
Nov 20 00:35:11 <herriojr> shouldn't Intent.FLAG_ACTIVITY_CLEAR_TOP not create a new item on the stack if the intent I'm sending is received by the sending activity?
Nov 20 00:43:28 <herriojr> btw, it's being sent via a PendingIntent
Nov 20 00:50:08 <Lieutenant> hey so i'm guessing the G1 wont be getting google earth like the iphone has?
Nov 20 00:54:24 <herriojr> Lieutenant: I guess ask google, I would assume it would
Nov 20 01:05:34 <jasta> romainguy_: are you going to be releasing the code for that async image loading?  i'm getting antsy to try it out :)
Nov 20 01:05:49 <romainguy_> jasta: it's almost ready
Nov 20 01:06:55 <jasta> ok, ill be patient :)
Nov 20 01:09:45 <DJTachyon_> so when is the next RC expected anyway?
Nov 20 01:09:53 <spikebike> nfi
Nov 20 01:10:21 <DJTachyon_> indeed
Nov 20 01:10:21 <spikebike> wait for a serious root bug to hit the international news and it will be pronto
Nov 20 01:11:04 <spikebike> not sure tmo has even committed to any
Nov 20 01:11:08 <spikebike> i.e. android 1.1 comes out
Nov 20 01:11:21 <DJTachyon_> as if the TTY console echo bug wasnt bad enough :)
Nov 20 01:11:29 <thoraxe> whee connectbot + irssi
Nov 20 01:11:32 <DJTachyon_> yeah i want an android irc client
Nov 20 01:11:36 <spikebike> why?
Nov 20 01:11:51 <thoraxe> it would be nice.  someone saids they were working on one
Nov 20 01:11:51 <SanMehat> DJTachyon_: i found one
Nov 20 01:12:20 <spikebike> so we can see your leave/joins when you walk behind a tree?
Nov 20 01:12:21 <SanMehat> but its buggy... and keeps a wakelock
Nov 20 01:12:21 <thoraxe> SanMehat: really?
Nov 20 01:12:38 <DJTachyon_> oh?
Nov 20 01:12:46 <DJTachyon_> hmmm
Nov 20 01:12:46 <DJTachyon_> not on marketplace then?
Nov 20 01:12:55 <SanMehat> oh no
Nov 20 01:12:55 <thoraxe> whats wakelock?
Nov 20 01:12:55 <DJTachyon_> hehe
Nov 20 01:13:32 <SanMehat> thoraxe: its a way of keeping the device from sleeping. carefull use required
Nov 20 01:13:57 <thoraxe> careful use bc of battery or?
Nov 20 01:14:01 <DJTachyon_> so basically can only use it actively
Nov 20 01:14:02 <jbq> wakelock = 1 line of code turns your battery life from days into hours.
Nov 20 01:14:02 <SanMehat> becaues of battery
Nov 20 01:14:02 <DJTachyon_> not running in the background
Nov 20 01:14:22 <thoraxe> hahaha like this thing could last days
Nov 20 01:14:40 <unix_infidel> jbq: isnt that true of connectbot + irssi anyway?
Nov 20 01:14:58 <jbq> thoraxe: actually, it lasts quite a few days if you use it as a plain phone.
Nov 20 01:14:59 * DJTachyon_ is closed beta testing an mmorpg that he wishes was in much better condition than it is
Nov 20 01:15:00 <SanMehat> thoraxe: i don't mess with my personal G1, and it lasts for awhile
Nov 20 01:15:06 <SanMehat> many days actually
Nov 20 01:16:32 <Leeds> jbq: you mean no data at all?
Nov 20 01:16:43 <DJTachyon_> if i dont use mine for anything but calls, dont get on 3G, and dont lose the connection
Nov 20 01:16:43 <DJTachyon_> it will last for days
Nov 20 01:17:14 <DJTachyon_> so basically in airplane mode :P
Nov 20 01:17:14 <thoraxe> have any of you guys tried the power mgr app? it is kinda neat
Nov 20 01:18:09 <unix_infidel> Leeds: how's your sick G1 ;-)
Nov 20 01:18:11 <Leeds> still in the store
Nov 20 01:18:33 <jbq> Leeds: no background sync.
Nov 20 01:18:47 <jbq> A single data packet occasionally doesn't hurt much, but having several per hour does.
Nov 20 01:19:36 <jbq> DJTachyon: actually, in airplane mode it probably lasts a month.
Nov 20 01:19:37 <Leeds> several per hour is really an issue?
Nov 20 01:19:50 <DJTachyon> heh without opening it up or checking it, probably
Nov 20 01:19:55 <DJTachyon> i keep it in airplane mode at work
Nov 20 01:20:06 <DJTachyon> because i get no connectivity
Nov 20 01:20:23 <jbq> Leeds: if you packets are more than a few seconds apart, there's only about enough battery life for 1000 packets (based on measurements we did in the office).
Nov 20 01:20:52 <spikebike> I wish I could tell the g1 if you see this access point (at work) turn off the cellular
Nov 20 01:21:33 <jbq> (not counting the battery that gets drained by just being ready to receive phone calls and SMS).
Nov 20 01:21:35 <thoraxe> ooh new xbox 360 ui
Nov 20 01:21:53 <DJTachyon> yeah i need to download that
Nov 20 01:22:02 <DJTachyon> wii + ps3 rip off :)
Nov 20 01:22:25 <Leeds> interesting
Nov 20 01:22:25 <jbq> anyway, the battery in the G1 is 1150 mAh, the phone uses about 5mA being turned on on a GSM network, and each packet (when spread more than about 20 seconds apart) takes about 1 mAh, so you can do the math.
Nov 20 01:22:26 <Andomic> any good Ftp client for droid yet?
Nov 20 01:22:27 <DJTachyon> avatars and whatnot
Nov 20 01:22:49 <Leeds> jbq: so when can we expect the device with *good* battery life? ;-)
Nov 20 01:23:07 <jasta> when battery technology improves?
Nov 20 01:23:07 <jbq> Leeds: when it's got a bigger battery.
Nov 20 01:23:32 <DJTachyon> anybody see those 3rd party batteries?
Nov 20 01:23:32 <Leeds> heh, okay...
Nov 20 01:23:32 <DJTachyon> squeezing an extra 200mah or whatever
Nov 20 01:23:49 <spikebike> dunno
Nov 20 01:23:49 <spikebike> it's easy to claim another 200mah ;-)
Nov 20 01:23:49 <Leeds> I guess 3G takes more power than GPRS/EDGE?  and wifi takes more?
Nov 20 01:23:54 <languish> i'm waiting for a battery that';s part of the whole back cover
Nov 20 01:23:54 <spikebike> dunno about wifi vs edge
Nov 20 01:23:56 <DJTachyon> GPS > WiFi > 3G > Edge
Nov 20 01:24:18 <jbq> also, when cell networks are optimized for battery life. The network parameters have a huge impact on standby battery life, both with sync on or off.
Nov 20 01:24:18 <unix_infidel> i wonder if there's documentation for how apple does it's power management.
Nov 20 01:24:18 <Andomic> can't wait getting my 16GB card for G1 tomorrow
Nov 20 01:24:18 <spikebike> 3g definitely seems more than edge
Nov 20 01:24:18 <unix_infidel> (for the iPhone)
Nov 20 01:24:27 <spikebike> andomic how much?
Nov 20 01:24:27 <Andomic> $62
Nov 20 01:24:35 <spikebike> not pad
Nov 20 01:24:36 <spikebike> bad
Nov 20 01:24:44 <unix_infidel> heh, seems like a terrible time to buy tech to me ;-)
Nov 20 01:24:44 <spikebike> I only found $90 ish so I got the 8GB and figured I'd wait 6 months
Nov 20 01:24:55 <Andomic> yeh, this way we are not regulated to buy another phone for more gigs unlike Iphone
Nov 20 01:24:59 <DJTachyon> 16GB microSD baffles me
Nov 20 01:25:23 <jbq> 3Ah would make me happy :) (well at least the G1 has swappable batteries, and extra batteries are small)
Nov 20 01:25:23 <DJTachyon> i mean .. go back to 1995 and show someone a 16gb microSD
Nov 20 01:25:42 <Andomic> baffles? why..
Nov 20 01:25:42 <Andomic> oh
Nov 20 01:25:52 <spikebike> 16 GB of storage that you could lose if you sneeze at the wrong time
Nov 20 01:25:52 <DJTachyon> i think i had a 256 meg hard drive back then
Nov 20 01:25:52 <Leeds> heh
Nov 20 01:25:52 <unix_infidel> jbq: yea, as opposed to getting an incase at a 100% premium to the cost of a G1 battery ;-P
Nov 20 01:26:00 <unix_infidel> erm, "Incase" -->http://www.goincase.com/
Nov 20 01:26:47 <DJTachyon> my ibm xt in 1987 had two low-density 5.25" floppies
Nov 20 01:26:47 <Andomic> hey what r u guys using to cobert divx flix to the G1 video format?
Nov 20 01:26:48 <Andomic> convert*
Nov 20 01:27:13 <umdk1d3> ffmpeg ^.^
Nov 20 01:27:13 <DJTachyon> sure why not
Nov 20 01:27:17 <unix_infidel> spikebike: anything over 8GB on a device that's designed as more of a smallish MID ...
Nov 20 01:27:19 <DJTachyon> try MediaCoder
Nov 20 01:27:23 <unix_infidel> seems a bit crazy to me.
Nov 20 01:28:11 <DJTachyon> also you cant encode at a high frame rate/audio rate
Nov 20 01:28:11 <Leeds> it's not so much the amount of storage, more the sheer density
Nov 20 01:28:38 <spikebike> heh, I'm used to the n800 which has 2 of the larger size sd slots
Nov 20 01:28:47 <Andomic> what app u use on the phone to load the mp4 format? the Video player?
Nov 20 01:28:47 <spikebike> max is we 128GB or something silly
Nov 20 01:28:49 <DJTachyon> yeah
Nov 20 01:28:53 <unix_infidel> isnt there a divx player for the G1 already?
Nov 20 01:29:01 <DJTachyon> 256kbps MPEG4, w/ FAAC
Nov 20 01:29:10 <DJTachyon> FAAC @ 96kbps
Nov 20 01:30:14 <eldenz> can it decode H.264?
Nov 20 01:30:14 <Andomic> crap i got an anime mp4 @ 1378kbps
Nov 20 01:30:24 <Andomic> no wonder it didn't work
Nov 20 01:30:40 <DJTachyon> haha yeah
Nov 20 01:30:56 <DJTachyon> ive had trouble encoding H.264 .. for some reason
Nov 20 01:31:03 <DJTachyon> which should be the fastest
Nov 20 01:31:11 <Andomic> what vidz u got on ur home now?
Nov 20 01:31:24 <DJTachyon> i got on my home?
Nov 20 01:31:26 <Andomic> ye
Nov 20 01:31:38 <DJTachyon> what do you mean?
Nov 20 01:32:17 <Andomic> what type of vidz u got on ur phone, ex: tv shows ,movies?
Nov 20 01:32:18 <DJTachyon> i have some bleach episodes, some videos I took from my vid cam .. etc
Nov 20 01:32:18 <Andomic> ahh k
Nov 20 01:32:26 <Andomic> and u used mediaCoder?
Nov 20 01:32:27 <DJTachyon> yeah
Nov 20 01:32:55 <eldenz> hmmm, i contemplate buying the Brown G1... but not sure whether the bright keyboard might be too susceptible to dirt ;)
Nov 20 01:33:06 <DJTachyon> maybe another encoder make h.264 better
Nov 20 01:33:25 <DJTachyon> its now brown .. its bronze :P
Nov 20 01:33:25 <eldenz> : )
Nov 20 01:33:54 <eldenz> white is too trendy and black is... too techy, the "bronze" version would be a perfect fit :)
Nov 20 01:33:55 <eldenz> (not that it really matters though...)
Nov 20 01:33:55 <Andomic> i heard the other colors but black qwerty keys don't light up
Nov 20 01:34:16 <DJTachyon> engrish?
Nov 20 01:34:25 <Andomic> keyboard
Nov 20 01:34:34 <Andomic> the qwerty keyboard doesn't light up the T-mobile rep told me
Nov 20 01:34:35 <DJTachyon> heh speaking of engrish .. I got my friend's picture up on engrishfunny.com :)
Nov 20 01:34:51 <Andomic> is she full of shit?
Nov 20 01:34:53 <eldenz> ah i see.. brown was officially renamed :)
Nov 20 01:36:32 <DJTachyon> http://engrishfunny.com/2008/11/13/engrish-retard-capsules/
Nov 20 01:48:28 <DJTachyon> i am trying some other encoding standards with mediacoder
Nov 20 02:02:14 <jasta> is gmain with a custom domain no longer free?
Nov 20 02:02:47 <jasta> on the gmail page under settings -> accounts, it says "Use Gmail with your domain for free. [Learn more]" but the link takes you to what appearst o be a paid service signing up for Google Apps for Business
Nov 20 02:05:36 <michaelnovakjr_> should be free too i think
Nov 20 02:05:38 <michaelnovakjr_> i have it
Nov 20 02:05:51 <jasta> how do you set it up?
Nov 20 02:06:10 <jasta> i was thinking that it would work by letting me use their MX servers with my domain
Nov 20 02:06:10 <jasta> and they would accept e-mail for foo@me.com
Nov 20 02:11:39 <jasta> michaelnovakjr_: ?
Nov 20 02:16:57 <_Tmm> Follow the step on the  http://source.android.com/download , when i Building the code ,i met an error :target Generated: libwebcore <= external/webkit/WebCore/css/CSSCharsetRule.idl
Nov 20 02:16:57 <_Tmm> gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory
Nov 20 02:16:57 <_Tmm> Can't call method "fileName" without a package or object reference at external/webkit/WebCore/bindings/scripts/IDLParser.pm line 110.
Nov 20 02:16:57 <_Tmm> make: *** [out/target/product/generic/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libwebcore_intermediates/css/JSCSSCharsetRule.h] Error 255
Nov 20 02:17:37 <_Tmm> Follow the step on the  http://source.android.com/download , when i Building the code ,i met an error :Follow the step on the  http://source.android.com/download , when i Building the code ,i met an error :target Generated: libwebcore <= external/webkit/WebCore/css/CSSCharsetRule.idl gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory  Can't call method "fileName" without a package or object reference at external/webkit/WebCore/bindings/scrip
Nov 20 02:18:04 <_Tmm> anybody here can help me to solve the problem ,,,
Nov 20 02:21:50 <andyross> _Tmm: sounds like a missing g++ installation.
Nov 20 02:22:26 <michaelnovakjr_> jasta, i have my own email address with a gmail interface
Nov 20 02:22:30 <michaelnovakjr_> gmail does all the hosting
Nov 20 02:22:32 <_Tmm> i have installed the g++
Nov 20 02:22:56 <_Tmm> my linux system is 8.10...
Nov 20 02:22:56 <jasta> michaelnovakjr_: how did you set that up though?  what MX records are you using on your domain?
Nov 20 02:23:15 <jasta> or is your registrar doing forwarding for you?
Nov 20 02:23:37 <michaelnovakjr_> did you find the standard edition sign up?
Nov 20 02:24:22 <michaelnovakjr_> google provides the mx record you're supposed to use
Nov 20 02:24:22 <jasta> no?
Nov 20 02:24:26 <_Tmm>   andyross: but i have installed the g++ ..  my system is ubuntu 8.10..
Nov 20 02:24:27 <michaelnovakjr_> http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/details.html
Nov 20 02:24:32 <michaelnovakjr_> on that page you'll see the link compare to standard edition
Nov 20 02:24:38 <michaelnovakjr_> you can sign up from there
Nov 20 02:24:51 <jasta> oh, standrad edition :)
Nov 20 02:24:51 <jasta> i see :)
Nov 20 02:25:45 <michaelnovakjr_> that's what i use
Nov 20 02:25:55 <michaelnovakjr_> the gmail app on the g1 allows you to use google apps accounts for email
Nov 20 02:26:00 <michaelnovakjr_> its really just gmail with your own domain :)
Nov 20 02:27:53 <thesquib> how do you tell a textfield to ignore everything but numerical input?
Nov 20 02:31:52 <thesquib> I tried view.setKeyListener(DigitsKeyListener.getInstance());  but it still seems to get other characters, e.g when I press Backspace
Nov 20 02:33:52 <Leeds> you want people not to be able to delete what they've typed?
Nov 20 02:37:41 <jasta> michaelnovakjr_: hmm, will i still be able to use my old gmail account with this or will i need to re setup my g1?
Nov 20 02:38:06 <wastrel> reset
Nov 20 02:38:07 <wastrel> you log in with user@domain
Nov 20 02:38:07 <jasta> argh, lame :)
Nov 20 02:38:07 <jasta> i had like a calendar set up and stuff hehe
Nov 20 02:38:44 <wastrel> subscribe to it :]
Nov 20 02:39:09 <wastrel> on the apps accont
Nov 20 02:53:03 <michaelnovakjr_> jasta, not sure... i started with my apps account from the start
Nov 20 02:53:29 <michaelnovakjr_> i'm curious about this theme stuff i read about
Nov 20 02:53:29 <michaelnovakjr_> gmail supports themes now
Nov 20 02:58:31 <wastrel> i am not working on android tonight
Nov 20 02:58:44 <Leeds> why not?
Nov 20 02:59:09 <wastrel> doing a different project
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