**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 23 02:59:57 2008
Nov 23 03:14:14 <infernix> been reading some reports about the alarm not being stable.. anyone here using it as a morning alarm clock?
Nov 23 03:14:39 <infernix> wouldn't want to be late and cough up as an excuse that android failed
Nov 23 03:34:26 <DarkriftX> lol infernix
Nov 23 03:35:19 <infernix> and i don't think I can get rid of that emergency dialer when sceen is locked, or can I
Nov 23 03:35:33 <DarkriftX> no idea :(
Nov 23 03:35:35 <DarkriftX> wb nyt
Nov 23 03:35:51 * infernix thinks he has to get down and dirty with the SDK
Nov 23 03:36:36 <wastrel> hi hi
Nov 23 03:36:47 <DarkriftX> hola
Nov 23 03:37:00 <wastrel> i experienced crappy battery today
Nov 23 03:37:15 <DarkriftX> ouch
Nov 23 03:37:33 <wastrel> fully charged at 3pm, dead at 10:00
Nov 23 03:38:42 <DarkriftX> gps on?
Nov 23 03:39:09 <DarkriftX> i wonder if any cool extended batteries will come out that arent huge
Nov 23 03:39:27 <DarkriftX> i loved my wizards extended battery, even though it made my phone a lot bigger
Nov 23 03:41:34 <djo_> Hi all: Quick newbie question (but I can't seem to find anything on Google):  I have a multi-line EditText.  When there's only one line of text in it, it is vertically centered.  What is the correct attribute to make the text align to the top of the EditText?
Nov 23 03:42:12 <djo_> ie: if I were in HTML tables: <td valign="top>...</td>
Nov 23 03:45:10 <DarkriftX> its dead in here tonight djo_
Nov 23 03:47:13 <djo_> DarkriftX: I *guess*...
Nov 23 03:47:20 <djo_> mhm
Nov 23 03:47:36 <djo_> It's *cold* in
Nov 23 03:47:53 <djo_> Chicago; nothing else to do but hack Android tonight.
Nov 23 03:48:00 <DarkriftX> heh
Nov 23 03:48:04 <djo_> Other places must have better luck... :-D
Nov 23 03:51:09 <djo_> DarkriftX: Any idea where I should search, at least?  I obviously don't know the right keywords yet, so Google is no help nor is the manual nor "Hello Android" nor "The Busy Coder's Guide to Android".  Well, I'm sure that at least one or more of these would be of help if I only knew the right question to ask.
Nov 23 03:51:22 <djo_> :-(
Nov 23 03:51:32 <DarkriftX> no ideas, sorry. im not a developer
Nov 23 03:51:40 <DarkriftX> just hang out, ppl peek in once in a while
Nov 23 03:51:52 <djo_> Cool; well thanks. :-)
Nov 23 04:06:25 <umdk1d3> mm the land of dialup
Nov 23 04:06:46 <umdk1d3> i think im connected at 21kbps tonight  ^.^
Nov 23 04:06:58 <muthu_> are you india :P
Nov 23 04:07:40 <umdk1d3> nah, middle of nowhere in minnesota  ;)
Nov 23 04:07:47 <muthu_> we get unlimited broadband at that speed ;)
Nov 23 04:08:05 <muthu_> actually broadband has its own definition in india
Nov 23 04:08:25 <muthu_> umdk1d3: went back to college huh
Nov 23 04:08:33 <muthu_> thought you settled in the valley
Nov 23 04:09:59 <umdk1d3> lol not yet  ;)
Nov 23 04:10:05 <muthu_> heh
Nov 23 04:10:19 <umdk1d3> moving soonish tho, need to hit craigslist soon
Nov 23 04:10:26 <muthu_> cool
Nov 23 04:10:33 <gambler> hey umdk1d3 ...your joining google eh? gl
Nov 23 04:15:36 <DarkriftX> hrmmmmm, died in here agian
Nov 23 04:33:09 <djo_> Figured it out: android:gravity="top"
Nov 23 04:33:12 <djo_> Obviously.
Nov 23 04:33:16 <djo_> :-)
Nov 23 04:41:06 <unix_infidel> RyeBrye: looks like you made made engadget this time ;-)
Nov 23 04:42:24 <DarkriftX> nice
Nov 23 04:42:55 <Damm> doesn't suprise me
Nov 23 04:46:33 <unix_infidel> it would be really nice if someone came out with a browser hack (non rooted G1 require) that allows for multitouch gestures.
Nov 23 04:49:19 <DarkriftX> i had the same thought earlier
Nov 23 04:49:29 <DarkriftX> but RyeBrye is the only one workign on it from what i can tell
Nov 23 04:49:54 <DarkriftX> although it would require a rooted g1, because non rooted g1's do not have multitouch enabled
Nov 23 04:50:57 <ionstorm> yea multitouch will definately happen
Nov 23 04:51:24 <ionstorm> either we will ghetto hack  it or htc/google will enable it
Nov 23 04:51:29 <ionstorm> we'll prolly hack it first
Nov 23 04:51:49 <unix_infidel> well, rooted G1 just requires a rebuilt synaptics driver as I've pointed out from the beginning (see RyeBrye original post)
Nov 23 04:52:26 <unix_infidel> should be an easy patch, though, since HTC didnt spec out a multitouch display from the beginning i'm sure it'll be tough for the Android team to release such a patch.
Nov 23 04:56:07 <skbohra1> had anybody ever heard about a tuxphone
Nov 23 04:58:55 <DarkriftX> i dont see how it would be done without root
Nov 23 05:03:48 <Damm> it's not really the root... it's that T-Mobile has locked down the ability to re-flash the device easily
Nov 23 05:04:06 <Damm> having root just enables you to flash it
Nov 23 05:07:47 <milluminu> the one thing that gets on my nerves about android os is that it's impossible to kill processes--either that or it's extremely unintuitive as i still haven't figured out how
Nov 23 05:07:56 <milluminu> there isn't even a close option for applications
Nov 23 05:08:03 <milluminu> they just keep running, choking, choking, choking
Nov 23 05:08:20 <milluminu> to play a video properly you have to reboot to kill all the crappy apps because none of them have close options
Nov 23 05:40:21 <Memphis> any word on turn by turn navi for android?
Nov 23 06:27:34 <EdLin> is there an IRC client available for Android?
Nov 23 06:42:23 <nickd8301> so i've been reading about the multi-touch recently - what's the news on it these days?
Nov 23 07:05:14 <romainguy> milluminu: because there's no need to close applications, they are paused/killed as needed
Nov 23 07:21:22 <languish> ok, when I press the wired headset call anser button when there is no call, it turns on the music player.  How do I disable this?
Nov 23 07:22:13 <languish> *answer
Nov 23 07:23:39 <languish> nickd8301,read the update on ryebrye's blog.  http://www.ryebrye.com/blog/2008/11/17/proving-the-g1-screen-can-handle-multi-touch/
Nov 23 07:23:44 <languish> at the bottom
Nov 23 07:24:26 <languish> there's been some discussion on dirty hacks to get multi touch like functionality, but it's not part of android
Nov 23 07:25:03 <languish> I shoudl rephrase. It's not enabled for the G1
Nov 23 07:25:32 <sodenrox> its enabled...
Nov 23 07:25:52 <sodenrox> no programming fo rit
Nov 23 07:26:06 <sodenrox> ryebrye has pwned it^^
Nov 23 07:26:18 <languish> sodenrox, it's not enabled in the G1.
Nov 23 07:26:39 <languish> It exists as part of android, but is commented out for the G1
Nov 23 07:27:16 <sodenrox> ... multitouch isnt "enabled" or "disabled" its either available or not
Nov 23 07:27:26 <sodenrox> #android-hackng
Nov 23 07:27:32 <sodenrox> #android-hacking
Nov 23 07:27:59 <languish> so the width data has been "enabled" for the G1 without "hacking" it?
Nov 23 07:28:10 <sodenrox> 0o0o u cant join...
Nov 23 07:28:12 <sodenrox> so you dont know shit
Nov 23 07:28:17 <sodenrox> =)
Nov 23 07:28:22 <sodenrox> j/k
Nov 23 07:29:19 <languish> rather than be an ass, explain it.
Nov 23 07:29:28 <languish> or are you incapable of it?
Nov 23 07:29:36 <sodenrox> i'm pretty hammered right now
Nov 23 07:29:38 <languish> "I know what yopu don't, nyah nyah"
Nov 23 07:29:42 <sodenrox> actually i just got back from the bar
Nov 23 07:30:36 <languish> and it makes you such pleasant company.
Nov 23 07:30:46 <sodenrox> =)
Nov 23 07:54:22 <milluminu> if there is no need to kill applications, why does video playback choke and stutter when other apps are running but "apparently" closed?
Nov 23 07:55:07 <milluminu> i am becoming more and more unhappy with the way the android system opts to take away control from the user, it's worse than windows
Nov 23 08:35:41 <fnord> wtf is with dennis's comment on android convert?
Nov 23 08:42:13 <languish> wtd does "netwalk" a *GAME* need to have access to "phone calls" ?
Nov 23 08:59:50 <ismarc> languish: until this moment, I had completely discounted the game and not taken a second look.  By requiring something odd and unrelated, they generate more talk about the game...thus, free publicity
Nov 23 09:00:52 <kRutOn>  There must be an option to call the author and tell him how you feel about the game.
Nov 23 09:02:24 <ismarc> kRutOn: I actually emailed the authors of the weather channel app because it was requesting weird things (camera, sms, etc.)
Nov 23 09:02:37 <ismarc> the response was "we plan on adding blah blah blah functionality"
Nov 23 09:02:55 <ismarc> they also included a link to their privacy policy in the response
Nov 23 09:03:19 <ismarc> so your suggestion must be the case
Nov 23 09:22:48 <languish> ismarc, adding questionable access permissions to a game, may generate "interest" when people wank about it, but it also gets me to not approve the installation.
Nov 23 11:32:42 <xsdg> milluminu: for one, have you confirmed that the same behavior doesn't happen on boot?
Nov 23 11:45:41 <rick_2047> is it possible to install android on those duplicate chinese mobiles (those really cheap but feature rich ones)??
Nov 23 11:57:03 <eldenz> is the owner/maintainer of android-dls.com here on irc?
Nov 23 11:57:28 <eldenz> someone shold tell him to enable url rewriting feature in teh wiki
Nov 23 11:58:46 <languish> yeah he's around
Nov 23 11:58:52 <languish> thought dunno if he's awake
Nov 23 11:59:07 <languish> -t
Nov 23 12:03:09 <eldenz> meh cannot connect to telnet on localhost ;< is there a way to tell whether telnetd has been started?
Nov 23 12:03:57 <eldenz> Service Viewer!
Nov 23 12:07:58 <eldenz> could it be telnetd was removed from RC19 phones afterwards in-store?
Nov 23 12:08:38 <eldenz> nope, it's there :x
Nov 23 12:18:29 <eldenz> Locale should be able to change more settings
Nov 23 12:44:32 <xsdg> eldenz: they're working on it
Nov 23 12:50:59 <eldenz> nic eto hear
Nov 23 13:19:29 <eldenz> is there no way to change first-day-of-week to monday?
Nov 23 13:19:50 <eldenz> it's set to Monday on google cal..
Nov 23 13:20:00 <eldenz> but G1 displays Sun ;<
Nov 23 13:41:55 <budwaa> Is there a channel about for the t-mobile g1?
Nov 23 13:44:52 <Dialekt> lol
Nov 23 13:44:56 * Dialekt blinks 
Nov 23 13:45:07 <xsdg> budwaa: oh, the G1 channel is thattaway ---->
Nov 23 13:45:18 <Dialekt> hahahahahahahaaha
Nov 23 13:45:27 <xsdg> budwaa: that said, do you have a question?
Nov 23 13:47:37 <budwaa> just info about root access..
Nov 23 13:48:02 <budwaa> mainly wether i should take my updated phone back because its *broken* or wait for a possible new exploitt
Nov 23 13:49:31 * xsdg shrugs
Nov 23 13:51:18 <budwaa> Btw, im interested to know why my initial Q was so funny :S. Help me be cool plz.
Nov 23 14:07:48 <eldenz> 'The download of "PAC-MAN by Namco" was declined becauseyou haven't purchased it.'
Nov 23 14:12:24 <Delvien> fgthyujifgthyuj
Nov 23 14:55:44 <synthead> blah
Nov 23 14:58:07 <Jozer> Hi all! I'm trying to get my G1 in recovery mode by rebooting then taking power (hangup/red button) and home button, the, after the android logo with the green robot appears, I have to open the slide the hit ALT then L? I tried three times without luck :( Any toughts?
Nov 23 14:59:37 <synthead> I'm not sure
Nov 23 14:59:52 <synthead> I'm one of many in here though
Nov 23 15:02:23 <synthead> I'm still trying to find a way into root after the update.  A downgrade would be sufficient but it seems like that's not possible either.
Nov 23 15:02:47 <synthead> it seems like this shouldn't be a problem since the entire project is open source
Nov 23 15:29:14 <infernix> synalx: except for the part where you flash the rom for the first time using the bootloader
Nov 23 15:29:33 <infernix> err, synthead i ment
Nov 23 15:38:47 <bert0> hello
Nov 23 16:01:02 <synthead> I'm having issues getting the sdk to recognize my G1 in linux :P
Nov 23 16:01:12 <synthead> is anyone around who can lend me a hand?
Nov 23 16:56:17 <blau> hey guys
Nov 23 17:02:49 <nivoc__> welcome
Nov 23 17:06:34 <KNY> is there a way to get all the child views of an activity?
Nov 23 17:06:51 <KNY> if you have a form and change the screen orientation, any new changes get undone
Nov 23 17:07:20 <KNY> (well, if the Activity is in a TabHost, anyway)
Nov 23 17:20:35 <orci> hi all, may be already implemented but here is a project idea: it would be nice if there was a project gutenberg downloader and reader
Nov 23 17:20:37 <d0netsFN> anyone home today
Nov 23 17:20:42 <d0netsFN> jasta are you here?
Nov 23 17:21:04 <d0netsFN> im wanting to know if there would be any interest in a mythtv client
Nov 23 17:24:04 <KNY> d0netsFN, why not start the project and see?
Nov 23 17:25:12 <d0netsFN> http://www.helloandroid.com/node/327
Nov 23 17:25:18 <d0netsFN> no i wanted people to go vote there
Nov 23 17:25:29 <d0netsFN> and post if you are a member
Nov 23 17:26:36 <d0netsFN> what types of video can be streamed to android atm?
Nov 23 17:28:39 <blau> youtube!
Nov 23 17:29:36 <d0netsFN> lol
Nov 23 17:29:45 <d0netsFN> so flash
Nov 23 17:30:06 <blau> not really, just youtube
Nov 23 17:30:14 <blau> there isnt a full flash implementation afaik
Nov 23 17:32:24 <blau> any news on whether or not the market stats are correct yet
Nov 23 17:57:39 <mikey> hmm
Nov 23 17:58:44 <mikey> i cant see any way to type on this app
Nov 23 18:39:44 <nivoc__> :D
Nov 23 18:47:58 <umdk1d3> interesting
Nov 23 18:48:31 <umdk1d3> anyone around with a phone handy?
Nov 23 18:48:53 <nickd8301> I wish, gettin' mine tomorrow :-)
Nov 23 18:49:13 <umdk1d3> so ive found a combination of things in the source
Nov 23 18:49:30 <umdk1d3> http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/packages/apps/VoiceDialer.git;a=blob;f=AndroidManifest.xml;hb=master#l34
Nov 23 18:49:37 <umdk1d3> http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/frameworks/base.git;a=blob;f=core/res/AndroidManifest.xml#l902
Nov 23 18:50:03 <nickd8301> secret codes
Nov 23 18:50:09 <umdk1d3> hopefully someone can put those two things together, and see what happens on a normal non-root phone
Nov 23 18:50:33 <nickd8301> uh, did you see the android.intent.action.BRICK
Nov 23 18:50:37 <nickd8301> I may be careful around here
Nov 23 18:51:00 <umdk1d3> thats for a different activity
Nov 23 18:51:17 <nickd8301> ah ok
Nov 23 18:51:22 <umdk1d3> its interesting to note the different types of OTA updates offered
Nov 23 18:51:46 <umdk1d3> wink wink nudge nudge
Nov 23 18:52:27 <nickd8301> ENG/CAN/NOT ?
Nov 23 18:52:45 <nickd8301> I'm kind of slow - what do you think they mean?
Nov 23 18:54:06 <chomchom> Hello peeps
Nov 23 18:54:26 <chomchom> I'm just doing my first build of android and poking around in the source
Nov 23 18:55:00 <chomchom> I have to say I'm a little surprised at the organisation of the Apps internally
Nov 23 18:55:12 <chomchom> And I'd like to learn from anyone who could comment on them
Nov 23 18:55:38 <umdk1d3> surprised how?
Nov 23 18:55:44 <chomchom> I come from a professional Java development background and so the large classes and lack of package structure is initially daunting
Nov 23 18:55:45 <mikey|> umdk1d3!
Nov 23 18:55:51 <mikey|> you online at adullam?
Nov 23 18:56:01 <umdk1d3> hm i should be lol
Nov 23 18:56:11 <mikey|> i was asking for you yesterday
Nov 23 18:56:25 <mikey|> apparently you're on a trip somewhere
Nov 23 18:56:30 <mikey|> and using dialip
Nov 23 18:56:31 <umdk1d3> ah lol yea im on dialup  ;)
Nov 23 18:56:36 <chomchom> I'd like to learn from those who could explain the rational for this.
Nov 23 18:56:38 <mikey|> dialup *
Nov 23 18:56:45 <chomchom> ooh on dial up, poor guy
Nov 23 18:56:56 <mikey|> gonna be back anytime soon?
Nov 23 18:57:17 <umdk1d3> i think i linked at 23.3kbps today, best yet so far
Nov 23 18:57:28 <chomchom> hardcore
Nov 23 18:57:47 <mikey|> where are you anyway?
Nov 23 18:58:02 <umdk1d3> middle of nowhere in minnesota
Nov 23 18:58:10 <chomchom> 23.3kps, reminds me of when I used to queue mp3s at 64k quality and then wait a week.
Nov 23 18:59:02 <mikey|> bbl
Nov 23 19:01:41 <nickd8301> Hm
Nov 23 19:01:42 <chomchom> Just browsing the applications, I cannot see any way of ensuring their maintainability through any form of testing, are there a separate test suite repositories associated with the individual projects that are not retrieved when checking out via the repo tool?
Nov 23 19:02:14 <nickd8301> umdk: I don't know much about the oTA codes - but I looked them up on wikipedia and they look to be service provider specific
Nov 23 19:02:18 <nickd8301> are they also phone specifi?
Nov 23 19:05:06 <DarkriftX> umdk1d3: i have a list of those "secret codes" on my wiki
Nov 23 19:05:09 <DarkriftX> android-dls.com/wiki
Nov 23 19:05:26 <DarkriftX> seeems im missing some though :)
Nov 23 19:08:45 <ttuttle> DarkriftX: shiny
Nov 23 19:09:04 <ttuttle> DarkriftX: /me knows a few more, but they're useless on non-eng builds.
Nov 23 19:10:08 <DarkriftX> feel free to add them :)
Nov 23 19:10:32 <DarkriftX> i just foudn the "OTAENG" "OTACAN" "OTANOT" ones
Nov 23 19:10:34 <umdk1d3> ttuttle: im wondering if "normal" phones can be converted  ;)
Nov 23 19:11:02 <DarkriftX> converted to what?
Nov 23 19:12:30 <ttuttle> DarkriftX: Oh, okay.  That's them.
Nov 23 19:12:36 <DarkriftX> ok
Nov 23 19:12:42 <DarkriftX> what do those do?
Nov 23 19:12:49 <DarkriftX> they dont have descriptions
Nov 23 19:12:50 <umdk1d3> ...
Nov 23 19:12:54 <ttuttle> DarkriftX: They just change the requested build type.
Nov 23 19:13:11 <DarkriftX> i c
Nov 23 19:13:30 <ttuttle> DarkriftX: Give it a try and let me know what shows up in Device Info.
Nov 23 19:13:41 <DarkriftX> heh, no g1 still
Nov 23 19:13:45 <ttuttle> DarkriftX: :(
Nov 23 19:13:49 <ttuttle> umdk1d3: Er, "converted"?
Nov 23 19:13:50 <DarkriftX> yeah, :(
Nov 23 19:14:15 <ttuttle> umdk1d3: If you 1. can flash anything on your phone (unlocked bootloader or hacked recovery), and 2. have an engineering build, then yes.
Nov 23 19:14:17 <umdk1d3> so end user devices could get legit root
Nov 23 19:14:18 <ttuttle> umdk1d3: But that's hard.
Nov 23 19:14:35 <DarkriftX> i dont think there is a legit root
Nov 23 19:14:36 <ttuttle> umdk1d3: No they can't.
Nov 23 19:14:43 <DarkriftX> besides using the modified ota method
Nov 23 19:14:45 <ttuttle> umdk1d3: Test builds are signed with a test key, and regular builds don't accept them.
Nov 23 19:14:56 <umdk1d3> is it just that keys.zip?
Nov 23 19:15:01 <DarkriftX> otakeys
Nov 23 19:15:04 <ttuttle> umdk1d3: Not sure.
Nov 23 19:15:10 <ttuttle> umdk1d3: But you'd need the right key, besides.
Nov 23 19:15:11 <romainguy> umdk1d3: btw, you suck coming here early 1 month early, I won't mentor you because I'll be in Europe :p
Nov 23 19:15:29 <umdk1d3> oh lol  :)
Nov 23 19:15:34 <ttuttle> umdk1d3: It's not easy.
Nov 23 19:15:41 <DarkriftX> the modified ota updates will read the test keys
Nov 23 19:15:58 <ttuttle> DarkriftX: Does it have the test key, or does it just not check the key?
Nov 23 19:16:06 <DarkriftX> they read keys
Nov 23 19:16:07 <umdk1d3> romainguy: so it was awesome when i saw linux desktops were *standard*  =D
Nov 23 19:16:15 <ttuttle> DarkriftX: Whoa.  Where'd you get it?
Nov 23 19:16:15 <DarkriftX> so that they will deny the normal OTA's
Nov 23 19:16:27 <ttuttle> DarkriftX: Do you mean test like the internal testing builds?
Nov 23 19:16:32 <romainguy> umdk1d3: well we don't really have a standard since you get to pick your OS
Nov 23 19:16:41 <DarkriftX> i dont know, i just know it says "using test keys"
Nov 23 19:16:45 <ttuttle> DarkriftX: Hrm.
Nov 23 19:16:53 <ttuttle> DarkriftX: Well, you'd still need a testing build.
Nov 23 19:17:10 <DarkriftX> RyeBrye would be able to explain better
Nov 23 19:17:26 <ttuttle> RyeBrye: hey
Nov 23 19:17:33 <DarkriftX> (if he is here)
Nov 23 19:18:08 * ttuttle likes testing builds ;-)
Nov 23 19:18:22 <umdk1d3> romainguy: going to europe for holidays?
Nov 23 19:19:08 <romainguy> and work
Nov 23 19:19:19 <romainguy> I'm going to give a couple of Android talks at Devoxx in Antwerp
Nov 23 19:19:26 <ttuttle> romainguy: Cool.
Nov 23 19:19:36 <ttuttle> romainguy: Hey, you're not wearing any underscores today.
Nov 23 19:20:27 <umdk1d3> ah cool, sounds like im starting on dec15
Nov 23 19:20:48 <umdk1d3> no clue what to expect, but im excited  =D
Nov 23 19:21:24 <DarkriftX> what are you going to be doing there umdk1d3?
Nov 23 19:23:56 <romainguy> umdk1d3: well it's a good time to start, a week later everybody's on vacation :))
Nov 23 19:25:34 <umdk1d3> cept i dont think ill have any pto by then, so ill be stuck alone?  :P
Nov 23 19:25:46 <DarkriftX> lol
Nov 23 19:25:55 <DarkriftX> just you and security
Nov 23 19:26:22 <DarkriftX> damn, no way you will be able to steal the good secrets with 5 security gaurds and just you :(
Nov 23 19:27:00 <DarkriftX> and the hidden google ninja assassins :(
Nov 23 19:29:08 <ttuttle> ninjas!
Nov 23 19:29:25 <DarkriftX> except the like to be called ninGas
Nov 23 19:30:01 <synalx> i thought that was the gninjas?
Nov 23 19:30:03 <romainguy> umdk1d3: we have like 3 days for christmas and 3 days for new year's eve
Nov 23 19:30:15 <DarkriftX> lol synalx that would actually work
Nov 23 19:30:23 <romainguy> umdk1d3: so at least you'll get that :p
Nov 23 19:30:31 <synalx> :P
Nov 23 19:32:12 <umdk1d3> romainguy: oh cool, i was wondering about that
Nov 23 19:35:01 <romainguy> besides, I'm taking 4 days at christmas and I have accrued 4 hours... :)
Nov 23 19:39:53 <DarkriftX> i work thanksgiving day and the day after, but i get paid for 5 days for those 2
Nov 23 20:11:47 <dcordes> 2 days ago there were massive commits to the android-msm-2.6.27 branch. can this branch produce a bootable kernel for the g1 already?
Nov 23 20:11:54 <dcordes> http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=kernel/msm.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/android-msm-2.6.27
Nov 23 20:16:11 <Joz3r> Hi guys. I installed a modded recovery image, that I now want to test. How I can put the phone in recovery mode without corrupting the main firmware?
Nov 23 20:34:51 <KNY> hey, is anyone else having trouble with their phone when making or receiving calls? people on the other end keep reporting that they don't hear anything but the "gsm buzz" you get when you hold the phone next to a speaker
Nov 23 20:35:07 <KNY> I don't hear anything, but they can't hear anything I say--just the "buzz"
Nov 23 20:37:50 <dcordes> SanMehat: ping
Nov 23 20:43:23 * ttuttle is going to attempt to build and install the open-source tree on his G1.
Nov 23 20:44:11 <Gary|tp> KNY: Had that once, hung up and called back, hasn't happened since
Nov 23 20:44:20 <Gary|tp> and I'm on the phon 6+ hours a day
Nov 23 20:44:27 <KNY> Gary|tp, I just had it happen three times in 24 hours
Nov 23 20:44:31 <KNY> out of four calls I've made
Nov 23 20:44:34 <Gary|tp> hmm
Nov 23 20:44:48 <KNY> and I tried rebooting the phone after the first one but just had it happen twice in an hour
Nov 23 20:44:57 <Gary|tp> No idea :/
Nov 23 20:44:59 <KNY> I'm on EDGE, if that means anything
Nov 23 20:46:36 <Gary|tp> OT: when did grandcentral go private?
Nov 23 20:47:23 <dcordes> KNY: did you install the latest software update?
Nov 23 20:47:36 <KNY> dcordes, I'm on rc30
Nov 23 20:47:39 <KNY> from ota
Nov 23 20:47:51 <KNY> Gary|tp, I can hook you up with an invite if you want
Nov 23 20:48:02 <KNY> though grandcentral has been pretty stagnant for some time now
Nov 23 20:48:04 <Gary|tp> nah I've got one, but I thought invites were off too
Nov 23 20:48:08 <Gary|tp> why?
Nov 23 20:48:31 <KNY> why what?
Nov 23 20:48:40 <Gary|tp> like, just no new features?
Nov 23 20:48:44 <Gary|tp> updates etc?
Nov 23 20:49:06 <KNY> yeah, they had all these big features planned and there hasn't been anything since april 22nd
Nov 23 20:49:16 <KNY> and weird, I guess the invites did disappear
Nov 23 20:49:38 <Gary|tp> wanted to make one for my GF so she could abuse the unlimited minutes with myfaves thing
Nov 23 20:49:42 <KNY> you would have thought Google would take this Android opportunity and incorporate grandcentral somehow
Nov 23 20:49:52 <Gary|tp> yeah
Nov 23 20:50:25 <Gary|tp> at least give us visual voicemail D:
Nov 23 20:50:25 <KNY> I like grandcentral except for how hard it is to make outgoing calls. I have to be at my computer with an internet connection, which is pretty pointless
Nov 23 20:50:35 <KNY> and voicemail -> MP3
Nov 23 20:50:46 <Gary|tp> can't you do it from your phone? or is it flash based?
Nov 23 20:51:23 <KNY> they have a crummy mobile web interface, but that's lame
Nov 23 20:51:50 <KNY> why can't I just set my outgoing number to be my gc #? a PBX can do it, right?
Nov 23 20:52:55 <Gary|tp> no idea
Nov 23 20:53:24 <Gary|tp> GC should allow you to call your own number, then just dial any number you want to call
Nov 23 20:53:35 <Gary|tp> that could easily be automated with android
Nov 23 20:54:17 <jeev> i got a blackberry curve, suggestions to get the g1 ?
Nov 23 20:55:55 <KNY> Gary|tp, definitely. Or even an SMS interface like Google's.
Nov 23 20:56:38 <Gary|tp> I suppose you could automate it currently
Nov 23 20:56:52 <Gary|tp> just by making an app that connects via HTTP in the background
Nov 23 20:56:57 <KNY> making the HTTP--yeah.
Nov 23 20:57:23 <KNY> but then you also have to have your GC contacts in sync with your G1 contacts
Nov 23 20:58:42 <blau> whatcha guys tslking bout
Nov 23 20:59:52 <KNY> grandcentral
Nov 23 21:01:11 <Gary|tp> yep, and you'd have to add a contact in order to call them
Nov 23 21:01:44 <Gary|tp> Who knows, maybe Google has some huge update for android planned with GC support, and they'll update gc at the same time
Nov 23 21:01:48 <KNY> yeah. I wonder if Google is going to silently kill off GrandCentral
Nov 23 21:02:19 <Gary|tp> would suck :/, I use it if I need to talk for a while with someone not on myfaves
Nov 23 21:03:01 <KNY> I use it for posting my number online and such because I couldn't care less if telemarketers get a hold of my GC number
Nov 23 21:03:11 <Gary|tp> that too lol
Nov 23 21:03:15 <KNY> I can just straight-to-voicemail them and/or flag as spam
Nov 23 21:05:33 <Gary|tp> Joz3r: if it boots after you reflash the official, then it was corrupted. try reflashing the modded one again.
Nov 23 21:09:41 <KNY> languish, ping
Nov 23 21:10:11 <DarkriftX> KNY, pong
Nov 23 21:10:24 <KNY> ...?
Nov 23 21:10:35 <DarkriftX> sorry
Nov 23 21:13:22 <DarkriftX> i looked at grand central the other night. seems like something google would buy out
Nov 23 21:13:26 <DarkriftX> just wish i had an invite
Nov 23 21:13:59 <KNY> DarkriftX, they /did/ buy it out. I'd hook you up with an invite but Gary|tp pointed out that they removed them.
Nov 23 21:14:04 <KNY> seems they went private-only
Nov 23 21:14:46 <DarkriftX> ouch
Nov 23 21:14:47 <blau> :(
Nov 23 21:14:50 <DarkriftX> and yeah, i noticed it was bought out
Nov 23 21:14:56 <blau> ive been looing for a gc invite
Nov 23 21:15:01 <DarkriftX> my first comment was just not written right
Nov 23 21:16:12 <DarkriftX> oddly it still asks for an invite code
Nov 23 21:16:22 <DarkriftX> and says the only way to get in is from an invite code
Nov 23 21:17:20 * DarkriftX slaps google for buying to many sites that they cant even update them properly
Nov 23 21:18:42 <ttuttle> lol
Nov 23 21:18:58 <DarkriftX> it seems lots of stuff google buys kinda dies out
Nov 23 21:19:04 <DarkriftX> like urchin
Nov 23 21:19:45 <DarkriftX> google could have done something amazing with that, but GA sucks hairy goat balls....
Nov 23 21:19:56 <ttuttle> DarkriftX: Why do so many sites use it then?
Nov 23 21:20:30 <KNY> yeah, I don't know what he's talking about--I like GA
Nov 23 21:20:57 <ttuttle> I mean, I don't particularly like it (it's not a good fit for personal sites), but it looks excellent for commercial sites.
Nov 23 21:23:01 <KNY> I'd rather watch glTail/glTrail :)
Nov 23 21:30:06 <oadamo> hi
Nov 23 21:31:35 <DarkriftX> ttuttle: its better than most of the rest, but cmon.... google owns it, it should be much better
Nov 23 21:31:58 <DarkriftX> look at what woopra did
Nov 23 21:32:08 <DarkriftX> google will probably buy them out next
Nov 23 21:32:09 <DarkriftX> lol
Nov 23 21:33:33 <ttuttle> DarkriftX: What's woopra?
Nov 23 21:33:42 <DarkriftX> the best analytics there is :)
Nov 23 21:33:56 <DarkriftX> its still beta, but its the best
Nov 23 21:34:11 <blau> google owns so much now
Nov 23 21:34:14 <ttuttle> Everything is beta ;)
Nov 23 21:34:21 <DarkriftX> google is going to own the world
Nov 23 21:34:21 <blau> is there a place to see all the things they purchasd?
Nov 23 21:34:28 <DarkriftX> soon there will be no governments, just google
Nov 23 21:34:54 <DarkriftX> "Google buys the UK and US, plans to buy the rest of the world scheduled for tomorrow"
Nov 23 21:35:15 <KNY> US (beta)
Nov 23 21:35:25 <DarkriftX> UK (alpha)
Nov 23 21:35:27 <DarkriftX> lol, jk
Nov 23 21:37:05 <blau> lol
Nov 23 21:37:36 <DarkriftX> im waiting for google to buy out a major tv network :S
Nov 23 21:37:37 <blau> i cant wait for android sdk to have some support for doing stuff with the calendar
Nov 23 21:37:41 <DarkriftX> i can see it now.... more commercials
Nov 23 21:38:07 <DarkriftX> gCNN, now with 1/1 commercial/show ratio
Nov 23 21:38:47 <KNY> hell, many tv shows are nearing that ratio anyway
Nov 23 21:38:48 <benley> seems more likely to me that it would be fewer ads overall if google was doing it
Nov 23 21:39:00 <benley> given the direction google ads have gone on the web
Nov 23 21:39:11 <DarkriftX> maybe
Nov 23 21:46:50 <eldenz> is there an app with improved bookmark manager?
Nov 23 21:46:56 <eldenz> possibly through tags or hierarchies
Nov 23 21:47:01 <blau> sweet got 2 more dollars for my screen on app
Nov 23 21:47:22 <blau> guess ill merge it with myvibration
Nov 23 21:47:35 <eldenz> 'screen on app'?
Nov 23 21:47:46 <DarkriftX> donations or paid?
Nov 23 21:47:49 <blau> turns the screen on when you get an sms
Nov 23 21:47:51 <blau> donations
Nov 23 21:47:56 <DarkriftX> how much so far?
Nov 23 21:48:10 <blau> i think for that one like 10 total
Nov 23 21:48:35 <blau> yeah
Nov 23 21:48:42 <DarkriftX> nice
Nov 23 21:56:31 <eldenz> blau, what's its name? dg SMS Screen Alert?
Nov 23 21:56:49 <blau> yeah
Nov 23 21:57:20 <blau> im uploading a new release today/tommorow
Nov 23 21:57:31 <blau> hopefully
Nov 23 21:59:08 <EdLin> is there an IRC client available for android?
Nov 23 21:59:22 <infernix> is there a keyboard shortcut for renaming icons on the home screen?
Nov 23 21:59:26 <blau> people are working on them
Nov 23 21:59:55 <mikey|> omg, i cant believe this mistake -.-
Nov 23 21:59:58 <blau> no way to rename icons without an extra program
Nov 23 22:00:02 <blau> infernix, anycut lets you do that
Nov 23 22:00:18 <mikey|> all this time i've been wandering wtf is wrong with my proggie, and it was an arrayindexoutofbounds which I didnt log.d
Nov 23 22:00:21 * mikey| smacks self
Nov 23 22:00:24 <EdLin> about how many apps have been written for android?
Nov 23 22:02:56 <Disconnect> EdLin: 3
Nov 23 22:03:03 <EdLin> I'm sorry for asking stupid questions, I haven't been able to find out this information from google (either their search or their websites on android ;-) )
Nov 23 22:03:22 <EdLin> Disconnect: I've written a fourth one!
Nov 23 22:03:48 <EdLin> though I haven't tested it on a handset. :-)
Nov 23 22:09:34 <blau> hey someone give me like a 10 word sentence describing how to enter a series of times in ms
Nov 23 22:09:49 <blau> where they alternate between vibrate x ms and pause y ms
Nov 23 22:10:10 <blau> lol
Nov 23 22:10:27 <infernix> well
Nov 23 22:10:36 <infernix> one thing amazing about the g1 is how quick it charges over usb
Nov 23 22:10:43 <infernix> my 1350mAh Kaiser took 4 hours
Nov 23 22:11:04 <infernix> im not sure but i think G1 charges from ~10% to full in an hour
Nov 23 22:12:19 <dcordes> infernix: heya
Nov 23 22:12:41 <infernix> hi
Nov 23 22:12:59 <dcordes> infernix: did you get root commandline yet?
Nov 23 22:13:14 <infernix> no, rc30 on it
Nov 23 22:13:49 <dcordes> :'(
Nov 23 22:14:01 <blau> anyone play around with the screen_on, screen_off intent?
Nov 23 22:14:39 <unix_infidel> blau: planning on a malicious app?
Nov 23 22:15:12 <blau> nope
Nov 23 22:15:22 <ttuttle> blau: Yeah, I've played with them.  That's why the wifi turns off after 2 minutes with the screen off (unless a wifilock is held). ;-)
Nov 23 22:15:29 <dcordes> infernix: can you establish the telnet connection?
Nov 23 22:15:46 <infernix> havent tried, just started setting up SDK
Nov 23 22:16:04 <blau> for some reason my receiver never gets triger on screen_on or off
Nov 23 22:16:15 <Disconnect> ttuttle: its your fault it doesn't do bog-standard super useful wifi powersaving? :(
Nov 23 22:16:17 <blau> i forgot exactly why i was looking to respond to those though lol
Nov 23 22:16:26 <ttuttle> Disconnect: It does both, I assume.
Nov 23 22:16:41 <ttuttle> Disconnect: And, hey, I was just an intern.  I did what I was told.
Nov 23 22:17:24 <blau> i think i was trying to make a "recplacement" for the keyguard lock
Nov 23 22:17:31 <KNY> anyone have any tips on how to get the G1 to be able to send MMS to Verizon?
Nov 23 22:17:39 <ttuttle> blau: I don't think that's possible yet.  (You can write it, but you can't make it be a screen lock.)
Nov 23 22:17:39 <Disconnect> it doesn't, or at least idle wifi sucks power like a hooker on a naval base. decent powersaving (1sec or so polling, etc) can cut that -way- -way- down. (alternately, going to deep-save mode on screen blank lets it come back without a huge delay for reassociation)
Nov 23 22:17:43 <KNY> all I'm getting is a white screen
Nov 23 22:17:59 <ttuttle> Disconnect: Hrm.  /me doesn't know much about that.
Nov 23 22:18:07 <Disconnect> KNY: it should work fine. i sent one to sprint and verizon both last weekend, works fine
Nov 23 22:18:32 <KNY> Disconnect, nothing here. At first they didn't get anything, then someone online said to send one to 222 first, and now they just get a white screen
Nov 23 22:18:42 <Disconnect> weird
Nov 23 22:18:44 <Disconnect> call 611?
Nov 23 22:20:00 <Disconnect> ttuttle: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/iwconfig/ check 'iwconfig power period' and such
Nov 23 22:20:24 <ttuttle> Disconnect: Yeah, I've seen that.
Nov 23 22:20:41 <Disconnect> makes a big difference
Nov 23 22:21:10 * Disconnect could irc from his n800 for a -very- long time with wifi period set to 2s and so forth
Nov 23 22:21:20 <Disconnect> ..probably still can but i haven't in a long time :)
Nov 23 22:40:35 <DarkriftX> i think its funny how many ppl find my site by pasting one of my urls into google
Nov 23 22:40:46 <DarkriftX> instead of pasting it into the address bar, they search for that url :S
Nov 23 22:42:01 <blau> lol
Nov 23 22:42:19 <blau> i do that alot too, since chrome doesnt try to append a .com
Nov 23 22:42:25 <blau> like safari does
Nov 23 22:45:00 <unix_remote> RyeBrye: did you ever do a writeup on how you got the multitouch demo working?
Nov 23 22:46:57 <blau> ooo
Nov 23 22:48:00 <unix_remote> aaand, RyeBrye makes Techmeme ;-P
Nov 23 22:54:32 <mikey|> when using ViewFlipper, is there anyway to flip to a window using a tag as a reference?
Nov 23 22:54:57 <mikey|> I can't seem to find any methods for it
Nov 23 22:56:35 <Damm> wtf
Nov 23 22:56:38 <Damm> i'm sitting here with gps on
Nov 23 22:56:43 <Damm> watching my phone move
Nov 23 22:56:54 <skyjumper> is there a location for open source android apps?
Nov 23 22:57:05 <Damm> the 'my location' is moving up and down, and yet i'm clearly not moving.
Nov 23 22:57:14 <Damm> i'm not sure if that's funny, or sad.
Nov 23 22:57:19 <Damm> skyjumper, source.android.com?
Nov 23 22:57:48 <skyjumper> isn't that just android itself?
Nov 23 22:59:02 <Damm> skyjumper, well there isn't exactly 1 url of all the 'market' apps source code
Nov 23 22:59:55 <skyjumper> was looking for a way to browse only open-source apps. it's probably in there somewhere...
Nov 23 23:03:38 <DarkriftX> you mean sort market by open source only?
Nov 23 23:03:51 <DarkriftX> interesting but i havent heard of that feature yet
Nov 23 23:09:37 <infernix> does anyone know what goes on in /sqlite_stmt_journals ?
Nov 23 23:12:08 * infernix wonders whether if any root apps read or write from there
Nov 23 23:12:14 <xsdg> infernix: bank statements (no, I have no idea)
Nov 23 23:21:30 <eldenz> anybod knows what's the max mp3 bitrate videoplayer can play?
Nov 23 23:22:03 <eldenz> VIDEO:  [h264]  480x320  24bpp  25.000 fps  462.1 kbps (56.4 kbyte/s)
Nov 23 23:22:04 <MystSparks> hey, I'm not an Androd Java expert or anything, but I was trying to spay with the android-vnc-view code base that was made with the previous SDK. I modified it to get a viewable VNC viewer on the screen, but now.. trying to see what I can do to control a remote session...
Nov 23 23:22:04 <eldenz> AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 64.0 kbit/4.17% (ratio: 8000->192000)
Nov 23 23:22:10 <eldenz> and it tells me it cannot play it ;<
Nov 23 23:22:32 <MystSparks> I get "key dispatching timed out sending to android.androidVNC
Nov 23 23:23:10 <MystSparks> continuing to wait for key to be dispatched.... on the WindowManager... does that possibly mean that the application isn't doing anythign with user input on the device?
Nov 23 23:26:29 <aggtrfrad> hey whats the command to install an app from command shell?
Nov 23 23:26:39 <eldenz> aggtrfrad, adb install foo.apk
Nov 23 23:27:36 <aggtrfrad> hm i never had adb
Nov 23 23:30:04 <eldenz> it comes with the sdk
Nov 23 23:30:47 <aggtrfrad> oh i thought i could do it from my phone directly
Nov 23 23:37:10 <eldenz> ah yes
Nov 23 23:37:32 <eldenz> i'm not sure how :p unless you download it through the browser
Nov 23 23:38:20 <eldenz> i thought you meant 'command shell' as in terminal on your desktop pc
Nov 23 23:41:08 <eldenz> ah i had the wrong container (avi instead of lavf/mp4)
Nov 23 23:49:47 <infernix> when you turn off GPS but leave the wireless network location setting on, does that consume much extra power?
Nov 23 23:50:04 <infernix> i  would guess not since its based upon cell information which it gets anyway, but i'm not sure
Nov 23 23:50:38 <blau> i dont think so
Nov 23 23:50:44 <blau> i havent noticed a difference
Nov 23 23:53:03 <infernix> eldenz: it might be the H264 profile you used
Nov 23 23:53:09 <infernix> try various levels
Nov 23 23:53:38 <infernix> or you could try and find out what levels are supported
Nov 23 23:53:46 <infernix> not really sure where to look for that info though
Nov 23 23:53:54 <eldenz> if i can figure out how to set it in mencoder^^
Nov 23 23:54:01 <infernix> thats the easy part
Nov 23 23:54:16 <blau> any idea if you can expand the "hint" in a preferences dialog?
Nov 23 23:54:31 <blau> the summary i mean
Nov 23 23:55:31 <eldenz> level_idc
Nov 23 23:57:18 <eldenz> still complains with L2.2
Nov 23 23:57:39 <infernix> eldenz: whats your commandline
Nov 23 23:57:56 <eldenz> sec
Nov 23 23:58:33 <eldenz> http://gist.github.com/28326
Nov 23 23:59:09 <eldenz> audio is mp3 vbr
Nov 23 23:59:17 <infernix> hm are you sure it supports mp3 in mp4? shouldn't that be aac
Nov 23 23:59:32 <eldenz> i will try aac
Nov 23 23:59:39 <infernix> try without audio as well
Nov 23 23:59:52 <infernix> i'll do some testing here too
Nov 24 00:02:08 <eldenz> -nosound fails as well
Nov 24 00:02:20 <eldenz> i will try with a lower level
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Nov 24 00:04:45 <eldenz> why?
Nov 24 00:05:51 <eldenz> or: what alternative is there to mux?
Nov 24 00:09:11 <infernix> eldenz: MP4Box
Nov 24 00:09:23 <infernix> im trying adb push an mp4 but seems to fail
Nov 24 00:09:57 <infernix> only 1mb, taking ages, strace shows its sitting there doing nothing
Nov 24 00:10:02 * infernix grumbles
Nov 24 00:10:15 <eldenz> i just copy it to the sdcard and then fire up videoplayer
Nov 24 00:10:28 <romainguy> adb push wasn't really meant for file management
Nov 24 00:12:16 * infernix mounts sd
Nov 24 00:13:09 <infernix> takes ages to copy 1mb
Nov 24 00:13:15 <eldenz> lol?
Nov 24 00:13:19 <eldenz> ;<
Nov 24 00:15:48 * eldenz stumbles to kitchen for some foood
Nov 24 00:16:10 <infernix> im guessing running adb and mounting sd don't mix too well
Nov 24 00:16:36 <romainguy> if the SD is mounted you can't access it with adb pull/push
Nov 24 00:16:45 <romainguy> but adb works just fine with the sd mounted
Nov 24 00:17:50 <infernix> i switch usb debug off; unplug and re-plug it into usb. activate sd mounting
Nov 24 00:18:03 <infernix> mount sde1 on linux box; touch /mnt/testing; sync
Nov 24 00:18:14 <infernix> sync takes ages, and syslog shows Nov 24 01:17:39 believe kernel: usb 3-1: reset full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 14
Nov 24 00:18:29 <infernix> fails hard here :|
Nov 24 00:23:13 <infernix> ok, things get more interesting now
Nov 24 00:23:41 <infernix> my sdcard has a few partitions. dd if=/somehugefile of=/dev/sde4 bs=16k works fine
Nov 24 00:23:45 <infernix> err
Nov 24 00:23:54 <infernix> the reverse works; e.g. dd if=/dev/sde1 of=/dev/null
Nov 24 00:24:01 <infernix> but writing to the SD in any way shape or form fails
Nov 24 00:24:02 <KNY> what version of HttpClient does android use?
Nov 24 00:24:41 <romainguy> 4.0
Nov 24 00:24:49 <romainguy> I don't know what rev though
Nov 24 00:24:49 <KNY> hmm
Nov 24 00:25:00 <KNY> oh, damn I'm dumb. I was looking at the docs for 3x
Nov 24 00:25:02 <KNY> haha
Nov 24 00:25:14 <romainguy> yeah HtptClient changed quite a bit from 3.x to 4.x
Nov 24 00:25:32 <KNY> yeah, it just had me confused because the HttpClient link from Google goes to 3x
Nov 24 00:25:39 <KNY> so I thought I was at the latest when I wasn't
Nov 24 00:25:43 <romainguy> we used to have 3.x before 1.0
Nov 24 00:25:50 <romainguy> I think we switched between M5 and 0.9 but I'm not sure
Nov 24 00:26:10 <infernix> hmm, maybe my extusb plug is in the way
Nov 24 00:26:26 <KNY> infernix, did you have to pay for one?
Nov 24 00:26:34 <infernix> i had one from my tytn 2
Nov 24 00:26:41 <infernix> 1 plug with extusb, normal usb and 3.5" jack
Nov 24 00:30:29 <bert0> Has anyone gotten trapster up and running on a g1?
Nov 24 00:35:58 <KNY> bert0, do they have an android client?
Nov 24 00:40:32 <infernix> eldenz: some progress here; got some green frames
Nov 24 00:40:42 <infernix> trying to narrow down the problematic setting
Nov 24 01:10:20 <infernix> ooh
Nov 24 01:10:39 <infernix> making Music crash with my mp4 encoded movies
Nov 24 01:19:23 <infernix> eldenz: success :)
Nov 24 01:21:14 <infernix> eldenz: i'm doing 2pass, but FWIW my parameters that work are  -x264encopts bitrate=$BITRATE:threads=$THREADS:nocabac:bframes=0:nob_adapt:bime:weight_b:brdo:me=umh:frameref=1:subq=5:trellis=1:partitions=p8x8,b8x8:fast_pskip:nopsnr:nossim:qpmin=22:direct_pred=temporal:level=13:pass=2
Nov 24 01:22:03 <infernix> essentially baseline 1.3 profile, but i think it can do some more than just that, given the fact that that baseline profile restriction is commented out in the h264 decoder source
Nov 24 01:23:36 <unix_infidel> how long does it take do a 1000kbps xvid to h264?
Nov 24 01:23:51 <unix_infidel> (about movie length, 2hrs?)
Nov 24 01:24:29 <infernix> not long if source is SD
Nov 24 01:24:40 <infernix> k, seems theres no bframes support in the code
Nov 24 01:24:52 <unix_infidel> so most of the overhead is read time
Nov 24 01:26:34 <infernix> tbh i don't know much for sd
Nov 24 01:26:46 <infernix> i know that 720p can take 5 to 10 hours, 1080p much longer
Nov 24 01:27:13 <unix_infidel> ooh, you mean standard def.
Nov 24 01:27:54 <infernix> heh,yes
Nov 24 01:27:57 <infernix> not sdcard
Nov 24 01:29:56 <infernix> k, frameref=5 seems fine
Nov 24 01:32:04 <infernix> frameref=8 isnt
Nov 24 01:56:50 <eldenz> aye infernix, thanks :)
Nov 24 01:57:00 <infernix> still working out some more stuff
Nov 24 01:57:12 <infernix> 2min sample hangs at 1m30s
Nov 24 01:57:31 <infernix> bringing down frameref, might be out of memory
Nov 24 01:58:02 <eldenz> are you on hdbits?
Nov 24 02:00:47 <infernix> y
Nov 24 02:01:52 <eldenz> thought i recall your name
Nov 24 02:07:07 <eldenz> streetview is awesome
Nov 24 02:07:16 <eldenz> i can walk through NY :f
Nov 24 02:07:58 <infernix> hm
Nov 24 02:08:43 <eldenz> or Nice
Nov 24 02:09:00 <infernix> eldenz: link dropped, hope i didnt miss anything
Nov 24 02:09:08 <infernix> still having crashes with higher frameref
Nov 24 02:09:42 <eldenz> i have quits/joins on ignore...
Nov 24 02:09:55 <eldenz> but i didn't say anything important :p
Nov 24 02:10:02 <eldenz> 0301.52 <eldenz> thought i recall your name
Nov 24 02:10:02 <eldenz> 0307.06 <eldenz> streetview is awesome
Nov 24 02:10:02 <eldenz> 0307.15 <eldenz> i can walk through NY :f
Nov 24 02:19:06 <infernix> eldenz: well actually my sample is even crashing with above options, so i'm a bit confused
Nov 24 02:19:20 <eldenz> mmh
Nov 24 02:29:21 <eldenz> nitenite
Nov 24 02:37:14 <wastrel> what's new and exciting?
Nov 24 02:39:07 <unix_infidel> wastrel: Exchange support?
Nov 24 02:39:15 <unix_infidel> multitouch?
Nov 24 02:39:21 <unix_infidel> IMF?
Nov 24 02:39:31 <wastrel> what's imf
Nov 24 02:39:38 <unix_infidel> on screen keyboard.
Nov 24 02:39:42 <wastrel> i don't use exchange or care about multitouch
Nov 24 02:39:49 <wastrel> ahh that's new and exciting
Nov 24 02:40:15 <wastrel> still need a decent ebook reader
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