**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 30 02:59:57 2008
Nov 30 03:00:35 <offby1> ah.
Nov 30 03:01:23 <offby1> I assume mibbit is klunkier than something written specifically for the Android ... but then I haven't actually tried it, so I'm talking outta my hat.
Nov 30 03:01:38 <d03boy> http://countercultured.net/irc/irc.png
Nov 30 03:01:49 <d03boy> lol wow
Nov 30 03:01:49 <offby1> yep, that's girc
Nov 30 03:01:56 <d03boy> he should probably hide his directories better
Nov 30 03:02:00 <offby1> I wrote to the author with some suggestions, and he was very reponsive
Nov 30 03:02:25 <VersedG1> he a good guy
Nov 30 03:02:35 <offby1> sounded like it from the email.
Nov 30 03:03:03 <VersedG1> well visit us there some time
Nov 30 03:03:45 <unix_infidel> hmm, does the client parse for links and then launch BRowser?
Nov 30 03:04:37 <VersedG1> yes
Nov 30 03:06:32 <d03boy> can you disassemble an apk somehow?
Nov 30 03:07:12 <VersedG1> that i have no idea
Nov 30 03:07:19 <Disconnect> its a zip afair
Nov 30 03:08:45 <orci> hi all, by any chance do you know if T-mobile will be sending miniusb to 3.5 adapters to those who bought their telephones before HTC starting shipping phones with them?
Nov 30 03:09:01 <Disconnect> why don't you ask them?
Nov 30 03:10:33 <Leeds> but the answer is very likely no, I'd guess
Nov 30 03:11:13 <VersedG1> exactku
Nov 30 03:11:18 <Disconnect> does anyone know if apple will refund the price of osx on this laptop? i figured you all would know, cuz there is an osx port of the sdk.
Nov 30 03:11:18 <VersedG1> ly
Nov 30 03:12:27 <Leeds> Disconnect: not fair... you know it isn't true, I know it isn't true, but in public right now, G1=Android
Nov 30 03:12:33 <VersedG1> luckly mine came with it but have the one that came with my tilt
Nov 30 03:12:46 <Leeds> I bought one... roll on a2dp!
Nov 30 03:12:47 <Disconnect> Leeds: so? that wasn't even a g1 question. that was a tmobile question.
Nov 30 03:12:57 <Leeds> it was an implied g1 question
Nov 30 03:14:00 <Disconnect> er, no. not really. "does the g1 come with an adapter" is a g1 question. "will the company give me something" is a question for the company.
Nov 30 03:14:37 <d03boy> let's keep arguing over this because it's really useful.
Nov 30 03:14:44 <bert0> I just got a 3 way adapter today
Nov 30 03:14:50 <d03boy> the answer to the question is: Ask tmobile
Nov 30 03:14:53 <d03boy> next!
Nov 30 03:14:59 <bert0> It's a lot smaller than I thought it would be
Nov 30 03:15:10 <Disconnect> bert0: try it out, let me know how it works. mine makes the media player all epileptic and crazy. (works mostly fine in youtube app)
Nov 30 03:16:20 <orci> Leeds, do you know where i can buy those adapters? the same that they ship with it?
Nov 30 03:16:47 <bert0> I was using mine all day today
Nov 30 03:16:50 <Leeds> orci: absolutely no idea - I bought a third-party one from a small stall in the Mongkok Computer Centre in Hong Kong :-)
Nov 30 03:16:56 <bert0> works great
Nov 30 03:17:18 <Disconnect> damn. i was using charger plus mini-8 and it was going insane.
Nov 30 03:17:21 <Disconnect> no charger connection, it was ok.
Nov 30 03:18:03 <orci> Leeds, all right, thanks
Nov 30 03:18:08 <Disconnect> (tried the bb charger, a bog-standard usb charger and a usb/fw charger. both of the latter are 'dumb' chargers, no talkback just 5v-dc .. the bb one does the handshake for fast charge. but they all behaved the same :( ..)
Nov 30 03:18:25 <bert0> charger + 1/8 inhere
Nov 30 03:19:08 <bert0> and it beats the heck out of waiting for a2dp :)
Nov 30 03:21:00 <Leeds> I've been using a2dp for *years* on PalmOS (where it was a third-party shareware driver) and UIQ3... I can live with a cable in the short-ish term, but it would be good to get rid of it
Nov 30 03:22:00 <Disconnect> send me stereo headphones, i'll get the music player doing a2dp.
Nov 30 03:22:24 <Leeds> really?  I've got an old spare a2dp adapter here, I'll happily send it to you
Nov 30 03:22:43 <unix_infidel> Leeds: how long does the bluetooth stereo headseat last (in hours)?
Nov 30 03:22:48 <unix_infidel> headset*
Nov 30 03:23:07 <Disconnect> bluez supports it, so goog won't take my patches (probably) but with root it should be possible. lemme look at how it handles feeding audio to the OS and I'll get back to you.
Nov 30 03:23:49 <Leeds> I don't really know, other than 'many' - tends to need a charge once/twice per week, but the one I use comes with USB and mains chargers (yay!) plus I've had a few of them so I've got loads of chargers - at home, at work, etc
Nov 30 03:24:12 <Leeds> Disconnect: you're in the US?  I'm quite serious, give me an address and I'll post it to you with a charging cable :-)
Nov 30 03:24:25 <unix_infidel> hmm, i'd probably want one that takes AA batteries...
Nov 30 03:24:29 <d03boy> in eclipse, is there a way to generate a /res/layout/whatever.xml file?
Nov 30 03:24:37 <d03boy> or do I just make it manually
Nov 30 03:24:41 <Disconnect> yah in basically washington dc. like i said, lemme look and see what it'll take and i'll get back to you if its something i can/will do :)
Nov 30 03:24:42 <Leeds> AA would be huge
Nov 30 03:24:48 <Leeds> okay
Nov 30 03:25:00 <unix_infidel> erm AAA.
Nov 30 03:25:06 <unix_infidel> one per side wouldnt be that bad.
Nov 30 03:25:32 <Leeds> ah, this isn't a *headset* - it's an adapter, a little clip-on thing which has a 3.5mm socket on it
Nov 30 03:26:50 <unix_infidel> oh, you're doing extUSB->3.5mm stereo->bluetooth adapter->stereo bluetooth headphones?
Nov 30 03:26:53 <Leeds> http://www.itechdynamic.com/en/products_spec.asp?cid=2&pid=02042 is the one I have spare - because I upgraded to an R35
Nov 30 03:27:33 <Leeds> no, at the moment I'm doing extUSB->3.5mm headphones... I could be doing extUSB->bluetooth dongle->bluetooth dongle->3.5mm headphones, but that would be silly
Nov 30 03:27:35 <Disconnect> unix_infidel: ermm... no. bluetooth a2dp to adapter to stereo wired headphones
Nov 30 03:27:53 <Disconnect> hence the need for a2dp support :)
Nov 30 03:28:05 <waldo_> is the market down?
Nov 30 03:28:11 <unix_infidel> Disconnect: agreed...it's a biggie since it doesnt come standard with 3.5MM jack.
Nov 30 03:28:15 <Leeds> waldo_: about 50% from peak?
Nov 30 03:28:24 <waldo_> that's kinda funny actually
Nov 30 03:28:34 <waldo_> AND now it's working too
Nov 30 03:29:08 <Leeds> to be honest, even if it did mono sound->bluetooth... I listen to a lot of spoken word (podcasts, audio books/magazines) and you don't really need 'high quality' stereo for that
Nov 30 03:29:21 <Disconnect> it doesn't even do that? wow thats teh fail
Nov 30 03:29:23 <Leeds> OBEX would be rather useful too ;-)
Nov 30 03:29:41 <andyross> No doubt the existing bluez obex daemon would compile just fine, no?
Nov 30 03:29:53 <bert0> Leeds where do you find the time for audio books?
Nov 30 03:29:55 <andyross> Maybe with some porting to bionic, I guess.
Nov 30 03:29:59 <Disconnect> probably already built, it looks like the source build handles all of bluez
Nov 30 03:30:01 <Leeds> probably, but you;d need to hook it in somewhere
Nov 30 03:30:21 <Leeds> bert0: to be honest, it's mainly listening to the Economist audio edition and podcasts on public transport
Nov 30 03:30:40 <bert0> I thought I was tho only one who listened to audio books any more hah
Nov 30 03:30:40 <andyross> Hook it in for obex push, I guess.  But file browsing and transfer would work.
Nov 30 03:31:23 <Leeds> bert0: audible (as bought by Amazon) sell a lot of DRMed audio-books... no android support of course
Nov 30 03:31:42 <Leeds> andyross: hook it in meaning there should really be a GUI as well :-)
Nov 30 03:33:50 <andyross> Actually, for OBEX specifically the "gui" is really on the PC/client side for typical use cases.  What configuration there is, is generally just authentication.  And that's already handled by pairing.
Nov 30 03:33:52 <Leeds> actually, to be honest... if people are going to work on a2dp support, I'd be willing to buy and post a couple of cheapo headsets/adapters for testing
Nov 30 03:34:06 <DarkriftX> whats a good gps app to use for basic navigation?
Nov 30 03:34:13 <Gary13579> JesusFreke: you around?
Nov 30 03:34:15 <Leeds> andyross: ah, I was thinking between devices
Nov 30 03:34:20 <Leeds> DarkriftX: erm, google maps?
Nov 30 03:34:39 <DarkriftX> it doesnt seem to do navigation for me
Nov 30 03:34:54 <DarkriftX> it polls for my location every 2-3 minutes and seems to always be half a mile off
Nov 30 03:35:00 <andyross> Right, that's "obex push", where you send a file directly.  That needs to be hooked into the device software stack, so the right handler gets invoked (i.e. is it a contact, or a picture, etc...)
Nov 30 03:35:01 <DarkriftX> even with gps enabled
Nov 30 03:35:26 <Leeds> andyross: or a generic handler for 'please just put the object on my SD card, thanks'
Nov 30 03:35:41 <bert0> Googlemaps can tell what side of my house I am on
Nov 30 03:35:50 <DarkriftX> really :s
Nov 30 03:36:05 <bert0> I live in a small house too
Nov 30 03:36:51 <Gary13579> JesusFreke: Ahh, well, read this when you get back. I was wondering if any of the updates you've done include recompiled code, or if it's all been simple modifications to file system etc. Wondering if it'd be possible to improve the SMS system to stop all the lag that happens when you have thousands of texts (maybe add a LIMIT 100 to the SQLite query)
Nov 30 03:37:08 <bert0> dark: faulty gps radio?
Nov 30 03:38:04 <DarkriftX> ok, seems to be showing a decent location now
Nov 30 03:38:21 <DarkriftX> wouldnt work in my car (with it held under the windshield) but it works inside my house :S
Nov 30 03:38:55 <Leeds> even gives me directions with some street names in Chinese and English
Nov 30 03:38:55 <DarkriftX> why do the zoom buttons in maps barely work
Nov 30 03:39:05 <DarkriftX> everything else works, but the zoom buttons i have to tap like 15 times
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Nov 30 03:46:02 <DarkriftX> wow
Nov 30 03:46:10 <DarkriftX> i found one video player, and it says "no videos"
Nov 30 03:46:21 <DarkriftX> wtf is with that? no menu? no option to browse? no instructions?
Nov 30 03:46:29 <DarkriftX> why do ppl waste their time writing trash
Nov 30 03:46:38 <Leeds> they've got to be in the right format - it's a pretty basic wrapper around the platform's video playing stuff
Nov 30 03:47:06 <Leeds> it's better than nothing, which is what is including in the form of video players
Nov 30 03:48:02 <DarkriftX> shit
Nov 30 03:48:05 <DarkriftX> still no xvid?
Nov 30 03:48:10 <DarkriftX> isnt that mp4?
Nov 30 03:48:33 <sparkle> lol
Nov 30 03:48:40 <sparkle> i got vlc playing
Nov 30 03:48:44 <sparkle> oh god this is painful
Nov 30 03:48:58 <DarkriftX> wow, vlc would be nice if it worked
Nov 30 03:50:23 <Leeds> I think there is xvid - approximately, anyway - but no avi
Nov 30 03:51:07 <Leeds> I found a page somewhere with a list of all the supported codecs and containers... but I haven't been able to find it again
Nov 30 03:52:04 <Disconnect> Gary13579: fwiw i think the sms app uses listviews, which can take a cursor and be smart. but its open source, you don't need jf's help to replace it.
Nov 30 03:54:55 <d03boy> anyone know why I'm getting a "no grammar constraitns" problem in eclipse?
Nov 30 03:54:57 <d03boy> for main.xml
Nov 30 03:55:07 <d03boy> i just have the <?xml version... line at the top
Nov 30 03:55:33 <DavidFreeman> Hi.
Nov 30 03:55:53 <d03boy> hi man that is free
Nov 30 03:56:43 <DavidFreeman> Anybody got a link for Android-ports-to-other-HTC-devices?  I'm just reviewing the puke from this Haret emulator thread at xda-developers and would like to quit scanning it.
Nov 30 03:57:43 <DavidFreeman> I cracked the screen on my G1 and wouldn't mind just going back to the Kaiser device for now, since there seems to be no replacement screen hardware for the Dream.
Nov 30 03:58:04 <Disconnect> buy the damage insurance, then send it in in 2 weeks
Nov 30 03:58:05 <DavidFreeman> (and I use ATT anyway; sick of EDGE-only.
Nov 30 03:58:06 <DavidFreeman> )
Nov 30 03:58:28 <unix_infidel> Disconnect: how much is the insurance?
Nov 30 03:58:44 <Disconnect> dunno, usually somehting like $5 a month i think
Nov 30 03:59:08 <DarkriftX> wow
Nov 30 03:59:15 <Disconnect> maybe less
Nov 30 03:59:17 <DarkriftX> connectbot if fucking awesome
Nov 30 03:59:24 <Disconnect> yah
Nov 30 03:59:26 <DarkriftX> it looks great
Nov 30 03:59:29 <DarkriftX> and functions perfectly
Nov 30 03:59:44 <DavidFreeman> I don't use T-Mobile, so no insurance.
Nov 30 03:59:57 <DavidFreeman> No knowledge of ports to other HTC handsets?
Nov 30 04:00:30 <TiberiumX> Yeah, I wasn't expecting a full SSH client so quickly.  I assume it came from an already existing Java SSH implementation.  Anyone know what that project is?
Nov 30 04:00:49 <DarkriftX> connectbot was out before the g1 was :S
Nov 30 04:01:28 <Leeds> I wonder how hard it would be to adapt connectbot as a local terminal emulator - the putty question
Nov 30 04:01:33 <TiberiumX> Yeah, I forget that Android was available for over a year before there was actual hardware.
Nov 30 04:02:18 <DarkriftX> hrmmmmm
Nov 30 04:02:30 <DarkriftX> probably not hard Leeds, good suggestions
Nov 30 04:03:27 <TiberiumX> When the SDK documentation refers to waking the device up (from sleep), does that actually turn the screen on or anything or just prepare it to execute something?
Nov 30 04:05:52 <offby1> hmm ... I downloaded an .apk file via the browser, but clicking on its name doesn't cause the app to be installed, or to run.  I examined the file's contents on my laptop, and it seems (superficially, at least) to be a proper .apk.  What might I be missing?
Nov 30 04:06:40 <TiberiumX> I've had trouble installing things through the browser.  Maybe try one of the apk installer apps available in android market?
Nov 30 04:06:53 <offby1> heh, that sounds like overkill, but if it works, it works.
Nov 30 04:07:30 <TiberiumX> Then again, maybe my problem was with installing Opera Mini, which was built with an old SDK version until pretty recently.  It's worth trying though.
Nov 30 04:07:46 <Leeds> clicking on its name where?
Nov 30 04:07:47 <jbq_> The key is that the server has to report the proper MIME type.
Nov 30 04:08:10 <offby1> leeds: in the list of downloaded stuff within the browser
Nov 30 04:08:13 <TiberiumX> Would it even download it without a proper MIME type?
Nov 30 04:08:20 <Leeds> good, just checking :-)
Nov 30 04:08:32 <Leeds> TiberiumX: the browser does seem rather reluctant to download stuff it doesn't understand
Nov 30 04:08:40 <jbq_> TiberiumX: it would download if the server returned the type of something else that's suported.
Nov 30 04:08:41 <TiberiumX> Or, at least, not pop up a dialog saying " I don't know what to do with this"
Nov 30 04:09:41 <jbq_> Leeds: correct, the download manager doesn't download files to the SD card for which there is no registered handler.
Nov 30 04:09:53 <TiberiumX> I'd sure like to be able to download any arbitrary file though.
Nov 30 04:09:55 <Leeds> I wish it would
Nov 30 04:10:08 <Leeds> it also seems to have some issues with redirects...
Nov 30 04:11:01 <jbq_> Leeds: indeed, redirects aren't handled in the 1.0 download manager (long story). That's fixed in a later release.
Nov 30 04:11:06 <TiberiumX> I think that might be the apache HTTP client. I've noticed "ClientProtocolException" on files before, so I tried them on my desktop with wget, which would indicate that it was redirected.
Nov 30 04:11:10 <offby1> maybe the file is indeed malformed; apkInstaller doesn't seem to do anything with it either
Nov 30 04:11:45 <Leeds> jbq_: ah well, as long as it's a documented-and-fixed bug... the fix for which will make its way to me phone sooner or later, right? :-)
Nov 30 04:12:08 <Leeds> er, my phone
Nov 30 04:12:21 <jbq_> Leeds: I don't know the specifics of getting code on phones, sorry :(
Nov 30 04:12:57 <Leeds> jbq_: I understand "fixed" to mean "there's already a fix internally, but it hasn't been released yet"
Nov 30 04:13:12 <andyross> Even released to the git tree would be worthwhile
Nov 30 04:13:35 <jbq_> andyross: working on it ;-)
Nov 30 04:13:44 <Leeds> ETA is the end of the year, I believe...
Nov 30 04:13:56 <d03boy> eclipse is whining about this code: http://pastebin.ca/1270825 (no grammar constraints: dts or schema)
Nov 30 04:14:00 <Leeds> and if it doesn't get done, the droids all get coal in their stockings
Nov 30 04:14:00 <d03boy> any ideas
Nov 30 04:15:49 <Chewy954> yay
Nov 30 04:15:55 <Chewy954> now i have root with rc30
Nov 30 04:15:55 <Chewy954> =]
Nov 30 04:16:26 <elad> hrmm
Nov 30 04:16:33 <elad> you rooted rc30 from tmo?
Nov 30 04:16:36 <elad> or?
Nov 30 04:16:56 <Chewy954> no lol
Nov 30 04:16:59 <TiberiumX> Fine then, why don't you rub it in some more.
Nov 30 04:17:03 * elad slaps Chewy954 around a bit with a large trout
Nov 30 04:17:04 <Chewy954> used the hacked fw from JesusFreke
Nov 30 04:17:04 <Chewy954> :P
Nov 30 04:17:09 * Chewy954 slaps elad
Nov 30 04:17:12 <Chewy954> stop assuming
Nov 30 04:17:12 <Chewy954> lol
Nov 30 04:17:19 <elad> you got my hopes up
Nov 30 04:17:22 <Chewy954> TiberiumX: o.O?
Nov 30 04:17:45 <TiberiumX> Upgraded to RC30 before I knew what I was missing out on.
Nov 30 04:17:56 <Chewy954> i dont even know what i can do now
Nov 30 04:18:01 <Chewy954> im looking through some forums
Nov 30 04:18:01 <Chewy954> lol
Nov 30 04:18:07 <Chewy954> i can tether but i have no need for that
Nov 30 04:18:08 <TiberiumX> It sounds like you're about to get tethering.
Nov 30 04:18:16 <Chewy954> unless im on the road
Nov 30 04:18:21 <Chewy954> nah
Nov 30 04:18:23 <Chewy954> i have no need to
Nov 30 04:18:29 * andyross wishes there was some easy way of warning new users not to upgrade...
Nov 30 04:18:56 <TiberiumX> Won't be long before they all ship with RC30 anyways.
Nov 30 04:18:56 <Chewy954> i looked into if there was root before I bought my g1
Nov 30 04:19:00 <Chewy954> so i knew what to look for
Nov 30 04:19:08 <Chewy954> i was lucky walmart had em with rc28 :P
Nov 30 04:19:08 <d03boy> I am trying to download an APK to my emulator but it says an SDCARD is required.... how can I test this?
Nov 30 04:19:19 <andyross> Tethering works just fine, I was playing with the pand stuff just yesterday.  Someone needs to write a configurator though.
Nov 30 04:19:35 <DarkriftX> andyross: it wont be needed for much longer
Nov 30 04:19:38 <TiberiumX> You can specify an sdcard when you start the emulator through a command line option.
Nov 30 04:19:49 <DarkriftX> im guessing 2 weeks from now the root hack ive seen screenshots of will be released
Nov 30 04:19:56 <TiberiumX> You can easily make one with mksdcard or something like that that comes with the emulator.
Nov 30 04:20:02 <DarkriftX> havent asked on a timeframe lately
Nov 30 04:20:10 <DarkriftX> the ppl working on it are hard to get in contact with on irc :S
Nov 30 04:20:35 <jbq_> d03boy: what TiberiumX said. You're only gonna be able to download it, but not to install it, unfortunately.
Nov 30 04:20:42 <Chewy954> what root hack DarkriftX?
Nov 30 04:20:45 <andyross> DarkriftX: no doubt, I'm sure.  Which will then be closed, and the circle of life will continue.  Standard advice to new users must perpetually be "don't trust google's updates", which is really sad.
Nov 30 04:21:08 <DarkriftX> andyross: this one will NOT be easy to close
Nov 30 04:22:13 <d03boy> oh..
Nov 30 04:22:21 <d03boy> so I cant install an apk to the emu? :(
Nov 30 04:22:36 <TiberiumX> d03boy: use adb install <package>
Nov 30 04:22:36 <Leeds> d03boy: adb can install an apk
Nov 30 04:22:55 <d03boy> hrm
Nov 30 04:22:56 <jbq_> d03boy: not by downloading it with the android browser. You need to install with adb install.
Nov 30 04:23:00 <d03boy> oh ok
Nov 30 04:23:02 <d03boy> even better
Nov 30 04:23:10 <Leeds> just "adb install foo.apk"
Nov 30 04:23:25 <TiberiumX> Haha wouldn't be too useful if you couldn't actually run anything but the provided programs with it.
Nov 30 04:23:28 <d03boy> now I have to remember how to open the adb
Nov 30 04:23:37 <jbq_> This'll get fixed in the future, BTW.
Nov 30 04:23:44 <offby1> aha: an answer to my app installation problem: Failure [INSTALL_PARSE_FAILED_MANIFEST_MALFORMED]
Nov 30 04:23:49 <offby1> quoth adb
Nov 30 04:23:49 <TiberiumX> Just make sure the tools directory from the SDK is in your path.
Nov 30 04:23:55 <offby1> Leeds: thanks for the idea
Nov 30 04:24:01 <Leeds> glad to help :-)
Nov 30 04:24:20 <Gary|tp> doesn't even have to be in the path
Nov 30 04:24:25 <Gary|tp> cd ~/tools
Nov 30 04:24:29 <Gary|tp> ./adb
Nov 30 04:24:45 <TiberiumX> Well yeah, but it is easier if all of those programs are in your path.
Nov 30 04:26:54 <d03boy> found it :D
Nov 30 04:34:55 <Chewy954> dont know if this is allowed, anyone have a site with pre-converted movies for the g1?
Nov 30 04:36:08 <andyross> Allowed?  This is freenode, not an AOL chat room.  That said: no idea, sorry.
Nov 30 04:36:28 <Chewy954> lol
Nov 30 04:36:34 <Chewy954> i just mean the channel :P
Nov 30 04:36:43 <Chewy954> dont know if there are "rules" persay
Nov 30 04:36:52 <Chewy954> yet only 2 ops, doubt they would notice even if so.
Nov 30 04:36:53 <Disconnect> freenode doesn't allow copyright violation, so having to ask indicates that probably no, its not allowed.
Nov 30 04:38:03 <d03boy> can I turn the emulator on its side while its running?
Nov 30 04:38:11 <Disconnect> kp-7
Nov 30 04:38:19 <Disconnect> which coincidentally is fn-7 on some laptops (like my mbp)
Nov 30 04:38:27 <Disconnect> i think home key can do it too
Nov 30 04:38:29 * jbq_ pretends he didn't hear anything about copyright violations
Nov 30 04:38:45 <Disconnect> oooh more google pretending :)
Nov 30 04:38:46 <d03boy> oh sweet..
Nov 30 04:38:57 <d03boyEmu> im chatting from an emulator. Super cool
Nov 30 04:39:09 <Disconnect> cool deal
Nov 30 04:40:25 <d03boy> very interesting
Nov 30 04:40:29 <Leeds> Chewy954: there are plenty of legal g1-friendly videos to download
Nov 30 04:40:37 <geist> oh how his achievement was so short lived
Nov 30 04:40:45 <geist> see as he crashes to the earth, never to fly again
Nov 30 04:40:45 <DarkriftX> tetroid sucks
Nov 30 04:40:49 <DarkriftX> it needs better controls
Nov 30 04:40:51 <d03boy> haha
Nov 30 04:40:54 <d03boy> tetris?
Nov 30 04:40:58 <DarkriftX> yeah
Nov 30 04:41:05 <DarkriftX> the trackball control bits ass
Nov 30 04:41:06 <Disconnect> bonsai blast is pretty slick
Nov 30 04:41:07 <DarkriftX> bites*
Nov 30 04:41:12 <unix_infidel> metroid + tetris....hmmm.
Nov 30 04:41:20 <unix_infidel> awesome!
Nov 30 04:41:21 <d03boy> DarkriftX, 3 buttons... left, right, down
Nov 30 04:41:26 <d03boy> oh.. rotate I guess
Nov 30 04:41:46 <DarkriftX> rotate is the trackball pressed
Nov 30 04:41:52 <d03boy> thast dumb
Nov 30 04:41:54 <DarkriftX> which tosses your piece all over the screen
Nov 30 04:41:58 <Disconnect> lol
Nov 30 04:41:58 <DarkriftX> and the rotate is SLOW
Nov 30 04:42:01 <d03boy> there should be onscreen keys
Nov 30 04:42:02 <Disconnect> you'll get hte hang of it
Nov 30 04:42:12 <DarkriftX> i got quite far, but it was still shitty
Nov 30 04:42:14 <Disconnect> pressing without scrolling gets easier. its still not good but..
Nov 30 04:42:15 * DarkriftX deletes
Nov 30 04:42:28 <d03boy> Disconnect, is that your game? :D
Nov 30 04:42:34 <Disconnect> nope
Nov 30 04:42:41 <unix_infidel> the trackball is the same one as the bold or the pearl just smaller and less sexy.
Nov 30 04:42:50 <DarkriftX> i like it
Nov 30 04:42:56 <Disconnect> i just know that after some practice its possible to press without scrolling. it'll come up a lot :/
Nov 30 04:42:56 <DarkriftX> just not for the only method of control in tetris :S
Nov 30 04:43:21 <unix_infidel> yea being able to swipe left or right to control would be nice.
Nov 30 04:43:24 <d03boy> eclipse is whining about this code: http://pastebin.ca/1270825 (no grammar constraints: dts or schema)
Nov 30 04:43:38 <Disconnect> that linearlayout needs an id
Nov 30 04:44:12 <d03boy> why, thank you kind sir
Nov 30 04:45:02 <Leeds> bonsai blast is really good
Nov 30 04:45:19 <DarkriftX> wow, do you really have to click "OK" on the voice dialer?
Nov 30 04:45:35 <Disconnect> ?
Nov 30 04:45:52 <DarkriftX> i said "call home" it brings up a box "Call home on mobile" [ok][cancel]
Nov 30 04:46:02 <Disconnect> actually in several nearly identical circumstances it'll use voodoo to determine whether or not it dials when you click a phone #
Nov 30 04:46:05 <DarkriftX> which makes it 10x more useless than it should be
Nov 30 04:46:22 <Disconnect> DarkriftX: thats awesome. i had real issues with my e90 calling people at random
Nov 30 04:46:36 <DarkriftX> my wizard had voice dialing
Nov 30 04:46:52 <DarkriftX> "call home" "call home?" "yes" .... dialing.....
Nov 30 04:47:03 <d03boy> even the razr has that
Nov 30 04:47:06 <DarkriftX> you could say yes, ok, correct, dial, call
Nov 30 04:47:28 <DarkriftX> well, where there are flaws, there is room for someone to come along and fix it
Nov 30 04:47:29 <Disconnect> e90 had no verification. click the button, say something, and it assumed 'yes'
Nov 30 04:47:36 <DarkriftX> ouch
Nov 30 04:47:43 <DarkriftX> well im sure we will get a good one soon
Nov 30 04:47:43 <DarkriftX> lol
Nov 30 04:47:53 <Disconnect> i think it asked but it took basically anything as yes
Nov 30 04:47:55 <DarkriftX> and hopefully a video player that plays standard formats liek xvid
Nov 30 04:48:30 <Disconnect> few weeks ago the goog guys spent a long time arguing that you needed to rewrite the video codecs in java and do it the Android Way.
Nov 30 04:48:51 <Disconnect> which is all well and good i guess, except for the fact that there is no freakin way it'll work :)
Nov 30 04:49:04 <jbq_> Disconnect: do you have a link for that?
Nov 30 04:49:42 <Disconnect> it might have been pre-infobot. but it was part of one of the earlier native code discussions. if it is indexed you'll find me talking about mplayer wrappers and openvpn guis..
Nov 30 04:49:55 <Disconnect> infobot: logs
Nov 30 04:49:57 <infobot> All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged.
Nov 30 04:50:16 <Disconnect> christ. if it was indexed that'd be handy. :(
Nov 30 04:52:45 <jbq_> No obvious match on my favorite search engine :(
Nov 30 04:53:20 <Disconnect> crap. i found the discussion in my local logs but dircproxy doesn't print dates :(
Nov 30 04:54:20 <jbq_> Anyway, the truth is, there's no way with Android as it is to add codecs, and implying that it should be done on top of dalvik is just bs.
Nov 30 04:55:01 <Disconnect> looks like it was mostly <pjv!n=pjv@91.178.168.40>
Nov 30 04:55:39 <d03boy> im sure you could get 5fps
Nov 30 04:55:58 <Disconnect> and jasta.
Nov 30 04:56:00 <ionstorm> where are the codecs located
Nov 30 04:56:06 <ionstorm> are they in java land?
Nov 30 04:56:10 <ionstorm> or c land
Nov 30 04:56:27 <Disconnect> oh. looks like pjv is one of those 'free human beings' :)
Nov 30 04:56:37 <jbq_> Disconnect: I don't know who that pjv person is, it doesn't ring a bell as a googler.
Nov 30 04:57:39 <jbq_> ionstorm: http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/external/opencore.git;a=summary for the C side. Individual devices might be using different codecs.
Nov 30 04:57:46 <Damm> most googlers show google in their hostname
Nov 30 04:57:50 <Damm> the whole google/nat/..
Nov 30 04:57:55 <Disconnect> yah
Nov 30 04:58:09 <Damm> i know DannyB doesn't show his googleness
Nov 30 04:58:12 <Damm> but he doesn't count
Nov 30 04:58:13 <ionstorm> whats so hard about compiling a new codec?
Nov 30 04:58:23 <jbq_> Those who connect from work, yeah. Some prefer to connect from a non-Google address.
Nov 30 04:58:39 <jbq_> ionstorm: the hard part is to make it fit in the existing codec framework.
Nov 30 04:58:52 <Damm> jbq_, it would be easier to be in #android and android-dev not showing your googleness true.
Nov 30 05:00:00 <jbq_> I don't even know how much googleness I'm showing right now...
Nov 30 05:00:13 <Damm> jbq_, doesn't matter... we already know
Nov 30 05:00:13 * andyross points out that the "co" part of codec isn't likely to work well at camera resolution even in native code without DSP integration.
Nov 30 05:01:03 <Disconnect> jbq_: none of it: 311: jbq_ n=jbq 72.14.224.1 * Jean-Baptiste Queru
Nov 30 05:02:30 * andyross admits he's been assembling a private list of googlevolk who speak on this channel.
Nov 30 05:03:29 <jbq_> heh
Nov 30 05:05:34 <Disconnect> oooh i want a copigturduckenburger.
Nov 30 05:10:22 <strongsauce> ./wi $me
Nov 30 05:10:55 <strongsauce> whoops
Nov 30 05:12:15 <TiberiumX> Wow, I'm looking at how to make a screen for and manage preferences for my program right now.  This looks extremely painless.
Nov 30 05:16:09 <d03boy> droiddraw.org?
Nov 30 05:18:46 <d03boy> im having troubles figuring out droiddraw
Nov 30 05:19:10 <d03boy> i drag a LinearLayout and it doesnt show up?
Nov 30 05:25:46 <Disconnect> just use the xml. as much as i hate to say that.
Nov 30 05:26:10 <Disconnect> does android reparse init.rc?
Nov 30 05:27:15 <d03boy> i cant seem to get the errors to go away in xml
Nov 30 05:28:30 <d03boy> tryin to use droiddraw to see what im doing wrong
Nov 30 05:28:41 <Disconnect> droiddraw is severely broken
Nov 30 05:38:19 <TiberiumX> I always forget to include a new activity in the manifest and then am surprised when it crashes.
Nov 30 05:38:58 <Damm> andyross, let me know if you ever publish it.
Nov 30 05:41:02 <Damm> you know it almost would be nice to have a CIA bot crawl the whole android.kernel.org repository's and post commits
Nov 30 05:41:30 * Damm hasn't done a repo sync in almost 2 weeks, and it's rather lackluster.
Nov 30 05:41:54 <Disconnect> it'd be a ton more useful than infobot
Nov 30 05:42:01 <Disconnect> s/infobot/worthless poc infobot
Nov 30 05:42:08 <Disconnect> damnit. it only accepts valid regex. :)
Nov 30 05:42:20 <Damm> s/damnit/crap
Nov 30 05:42:27 <Damm> hohum, what a crappy bot
Nov 30 05:42:31 <Damm> s/crappy/lame
Nov 30 05:42:38 <Damm> guess mine is non valid
Nov 30 05:42:49 <Disconnect> s/regex/regex with /
Nov 30 05:42:49 <infobot> Disconnect meant: damnit. it only accepts valid regex with . :)
Nov 30 05:43:02 <Damm> sigh, the last /
Nov 30 05:43:08 <Disconnect> s/regex/sig/
Nov 30 05:43:09 <infobot> Disconnect meant: damnit. it only accepts valid sig. :)
Nov 30 05:43:09 <Disconnect> h
Nov 30 05:43:29 <Damm> s/crappy/stupid/
Nov 30 05:43:31 <Damm> s/crappy/stupid /
Nov 30 05:43:37 <Disconnect> last statement only
Nov 30 05:43:46 <Damm> figures
Nov 30 05:43:50 <Damm> s/figures/lame /
Nov 30 05:43:53 <infobot> Damm meant: lame
Nov 30 05:46:04 * Disconnect has no idea why its here, btu evidently goog likes it
Nov 30 05:46:43 <Damm> Disconnect, hard to really say.
Nov 30 05:47:56 <DarkriftX> so is the google maps app the only real navigation software for the g1?
Nov 30 05:48:04 <Damm> DarkriftX, only one worth mentioning
Nov 30 05:48:14 <Disconnect> andnav but it never even pretended to work for me
Nov 30 05:48:16 <Damm> there's some other Andinav or some crap... but uh it crashes like shit
Nov 30 05:48:23 <Olipro> until we finish the Windows Mobile BSP anyway
Nov 30 05:48:27 <Damm> yeah Disconnect hit it there.
Nov 30 05:48:29 <DarkriftX> andnav looked good until i read more about it today
Nov 30 05:48:36 <DarkriftX> hey Olipro, hows it going?
Nov 30 05:48:51 <Olipro> hi
Nov 30 05:48:51 <DarkriftX> bsp?
Nov 30 05:49:00 <Olipro> I was joking
Nov 30 05:49:15 * DarkriftX didnt catch the joke
Nov 30 05:49:21 <Olipro> if you built a BSP for Android, you could compile Windows Mobile for it
Nov 30 05:49:28 <DarkriftX> ahh :S
Nov 30 05:49:32 <DarkriftX> i wouldnt want wm
Nov 30 05:49:39 <DarkriftX> i finally got away from it
Nov 30 05:49:43 <Damm> wow 1 commit in packages/apps/Email
Nov 30 05:49:45 <Damm> that's really sad
Nov 30 05:49:49 <Damm> (from the initial commit)
Nov 30 05:50:00 <Olipro> so, i haven't been following recently
Nov 30 05:50:02 <Disconnect> Damm: there's fsckall for commits in most of the tree
Nov 30 05:50:10 <Olipro> has anyone found a way to jailbreak the latest Android
Nov 30 05:50:13 <Disconnect> "Someday" (tm google) they'll have a public tree
Nov 30 05:50:16 <Disconnect> Olipro: no
Nov 30 05:50:24 <Olipro> oh well
Nov 30 05:50:24 <Damm> Disconnect, it's not just google, it's people commiting back
Nov 30 05:50:25 <Damm> :(
Nov 30 05:50:32 <Olipro> don't worry Disconnect
Nov 30 05:50:36 <Olipro> it's not a problem to beat it
Nov 30 05:50:47 <Olipro> there's a really simple way to do the jailbreak
Nov 30 05:50:51 <Olipro> I won't say how just yet
Nov 30 05:50:57 <Olipro> but it will be released in time
Nov 30 05:51:25 <Olipro> :)
Nov 30 05:51:29 <Disconnect> and you want us to believe you have something to do with it?
Nov 30 05:51:39 <Olipro> heh
Nov 30 05:52:34 <Olipro> no need to be smarmy with me
Nov 30 05:52:41 <Olipro> I'm not some no-name smart-arse dipshit
Nov 30 05:53:18 <joeyoh> ^ Olipro-named smart-arse dipshit
Nov 30 05:53:46 <Olipro> haha
Nov 30 05:54:38 * DarkriftX thinks eveyrone needs a beer
Nov 30 05:54:49 <d03boy> spotted cow for everyone
Nov 30 05:56:07 <DarkriftX> ive been craving some bud light lime all night
Nov 30 05:56:16 <Disconnect> wacahghfg wtf? on purpose?
Nov 30 05:56:51 <Olipro> with lime?
Nov 30 05:56:57 <Olipro> what are you, a woman?
Nov 30 05:56:58 <DarkriftX> thats what its called
Nov 30 05:57:01 <DarkriftX> "Bud Light Lime"
Nov 30 05:57:16 <DarkriftX> only females like lime?
Nov 30 05:57:16 <Disconnect> its what you get if you drink corona with lime and um... refill bottles.
Nov 30 05:57:33 <Olipro> haha
Nov 30 05:58:27 <offby1> how can I kill an errant app?  Or should I just ignore it
Nov 30 05:58:36 <offby1> ?
Nov 30 05:58:42 <Olipro> yeah, it's like cancer, ignore it and it
Nov 30 05:58:43 <Disconnect> the Android Way is reboot
Nov 30 05:58:47 <Olipro> *and it'll go away
Nov 30 05:58:58 <Disconnect> in reality, we need an app killer perm and app
Nov 30 05:59:13 <Disconnect> but thats an sdk change, so it'll come in 2
Nov 30 05:59:23 <Disconnect> 2.0 .. which is likely to be at least a year away if not more
Nov 30 05:59:37 <offby1> Olipro: sounds reasonable :)
Nov 30 05:59:39 <fnordg1> Disconnect: basically we need an official nod on root. Therefore it must be secure root
Nov 30 06:00:08 <Disconnect> fnordg1: nah. the "die now" thing can come through dalvik
Nov 30 06:00:28 <offby1> I wonder if it's just a matter of starting enough other apps that it'll get "paged out" or something :)
Nov 30 06:00:31 <fnordg1> Disconnect: not for user-managed killing i'd think?\
Nov 30 06:00:44 <Olipro> Disconnect: are you ignoring me or something?
Nov 30 06:00:50 <Disconnect> ?
Nov 30 06:00:59 <Olipro> I just sent you a PM
Nov 30 06:01:02 <fnordg1> Oh sure I guess some daemon can check the dir of an official app for a pid kill-list, but that's shitty\
Nov 30 06:01:21 <Disconnect> ah
Nov 30 06:02:19 <Disconnect> fnordg1: we just need a "what is running" api call (which kinda exists already i think) and a "kill this thing" call
Nov 30 06:02:47 <Disconnect> realistically that should be part of the security policy already (find out what is running/installed..) but that would have shown too much forsight
Nov 30 06:02:50 <Disconnect> foresight
Nov 30 06:03:01 <Olipro> Disconnect: PM again :P
Nov 30 06:03:06 <andyross> Honestly, unless the software is buggy and spinning (or powering up the radios needlessly, etc...), you don't.  If all it's hogging is memory, the system will kill it for you.
Nov 30 06:03:37 <offby1> andyross: it's not causing any trouble at all, as far as I know; it's just ... you know ... I'm used to killing stuff :)
Nov 30 06:05:08 <spackest> so how do I tab between fields?
Nov 30 06:05:28 <Disconnect> scrollwheel
Nov 30 06:05:34 <spackest> meaning, I want to be able to have a user hit tab and walk to the next field or button
Nov 30 06:07:16 <unix_infidel> spackest: if you have a G1 simply moving the G1's scroll wheel in the desired direction should move to the next field.
Nov 30 06:07:35 <offby1> actually, I thought of a good reason to kill the app: it's spinning, and I want to actually use it; I figure if I kill it and restart it it'll work OK for a while.
Nov 30 06:07:38 <unix_infidel> seeing as the tab is a secondary soft key i wouldnt rely on it.
Nov 30 06:08:15 <d03boy> No grammar constraints (DTD or XML schema) detected for the document.
Nov 30 06:08:24 <d03boy> I do not understand why I keep getting that
Nov 30 06:08:34 <fnordg1> Disconnect: yeh I actually like koush's idea, despite initial bad implementation and thread takeover. Hopefully this stuff can be standardized in a secure fashion. MAYBE it might be approved for mainstream
Nov 30 06:08:46 <spackest> unix_infidel: I am working in eclipse, trying to do a simple username, password, submit button, but when I launch the emulator, tab doesn't walk through the inputs
Nov 30 06:08:56 <Disconnect> d03boy: did you have the ids and such again?
Nov 30 06:09:02 <d03boy> yes I added them
Nov 30 06:09:26 <d03boy> android:id="@+id/blah"
Nov 30 06:09:29 <d03boy> that's correct, isn't it?
Nov 30 06:09:37 <spackest> I am using LinearLayout and EditText
Nov 30 06:09:38 <unix_infidel> spackest: try the D-Pad.
Nov 30 06:12:34 <spackest> and I did android:password="true" but the letters show up for a second then get changed to a dot
Nov 30 06:13:01 <spackest> will that work properly on a real phone?
Nov 30 06:13:02 <d03boy> Disconnect, hrm. Rebooting eclipse fixed it.. -_-
Nov 30 06:13:10 <spackest> android: password="true"
Nov 30 06:13:43 <Disconnect> lol
Nov 30 06:14:40 <d03boy> if I have the xmlns:schema thing once in the program, I dont need it anymore, right?
Nov 30 06:14:46 <d03boy> er, in the file
Nov 30 06:19:50 <spackest> unix_infidel: thanks, the D-Pad tabs through, guess I would like to see the tab key, tab through
Nov 30 06:20:13 <offby1> what's the "D-Pad"?
Nov 30 06:20:32 <d03boy> up-down-left-right-b-a-b-a-select-start
Nov 30 06:26:55 <unix_infidel> spackest: like i said the tab key is a secondary soft key, it's bad design to MAKE someone use it.
Nov 30 06:27:28 <donpdonp> spackest: displaying the letter for a second is a feature
Nov 30 06:27:39 <Disconnect> in prefs turn off 'display passwords'
Nov 30 06:29:14 <donpdonp> Android home page -> (menu) Settings -> Security & Location -> Visible passwords (check)
Nov 30 06:35:45 <spackest> ahh, thanks
Nov 30 06:35:50 * d03boy tries to figure out these weighst..
Nov 30 06:36:54 <spackest> so is the android.webkit.CookieManager an analogue to browser cookies?
Nov 30 06:37:07 <spackest> I want something not quite at the sqlite level
Nov 30 06:38:04 <spackest> I am going to log a user in via a web service, get an auth token and I want a way to rememeber that the user has been authed
Nov 30 06:41:00 <unix_infidel> spackest: which web service framework are you using?
Nov 30 06:43:56 <spackest> my own :)
Nov 30 06:44:19 <spackest> I return json to http requests
Nov 30 06:48:49 <tmzt> d03boy: xmlns: only applies to that node and it's child nodes, so if it's on the root node it will apply to the entire file
Nov 30 06:49:10 <d03boy> ah, that makes sense
Nov 30 06:53:01 <Lieutenant> hi guys.
Nov 30 06:53:27 <d03boy> hi dad
Nov 30 06:54:15 <Lieutenant> i thought i tucked you into bed son, what are you doing up again?
Nov 30 06:55:28 <Lieutenant> alright, with all seriousness aside, i need help so can someone please assist me?
Nov 30 06:55:32 <Lieutenant> so i'm trying to use the screenshot app on the G1, but it says broken pipe and wont do it. and i read that its because i have a su password and it doesn't know how to access the shit its trying to access or whatever, can someone help me fix this?
Nov 30 06:58:58 <DarkriftX> the built in screenshot app?
Nov 30 06:59:01 <DarkriftX> requires su?
Nov 30 06:59:10 <Lieutenant> i guess.
Nov 30 06:59:16 <DarkriftX> su wasnt even on the g1 before it was rooted
Nov 30 06:59:26 <Lieutenant> no, someoe made a screenshot app
Nov 30 06:59:34 <Lieutenant> and posted it on the market
Nov 30 06:59:38 <DarkriftX> that requires su?, delete....
Nov 30 06:59:55 <DarkriftX> this isnt windows, dont give apps full control over your device
Nov 30 07:00:02 <DarkriftX> if it needs su, you dont need it
Nov 30 07:00:07 <Lieutenant> i dunno, it seems legit i mean, lemme link u.
Nov 30 07:00:08 <Lieutenant> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=450741
Nov 30 07:00:19 <DarkriftX> they all seem legit
Nov 30 07:00:27 <DarkriftX> but do you have the source, and have you read through it to make sure?
Nov 30 07:00:34 <TiberiumX> Haha, I don't think su is on the G1 at all.  I think people just linked to sh and gave root permissions.
Nov 30 07:00:37 <JesusFreke> he posted the source :p
Nov 30 07:00:47 <Lieutenant> he posted the code n stuff
Nov 30 07:00:55 <DarkriftX> there are maybe 5 ppl id trust binaries from and most of them are in here
Nov 30 07:00:56 <JesusFreke> tib, v1.2 does have su
Nov 30 07:01:05 <JesusFreke> v1.1 had the setuid sh
Nov 30 07:01:10 <mike4263> hey JesusFreke, I'm digging my phone :)
Nov 30 07:01:12 <TiberiumX> Ahh, I see.
Nov 30 07:01:13 <mike4263> thanks again
Nov 30 07:01:22 <JesusFreke> sweet mike :D
Nov 30 07:01:28 <JesusFreke> np
Nov 30 07:01:30 <Lieutenant> so i guess i should delete it huh?
Nov 30 07:01:53 <mike4263> I still got the old one kicking around, I'll probably keep it in case I brick this one somehow lol
Nov 30 07:01:55 <DarkriftX> hrmmm,
Nov 30 07:02:11 <JesusFreke> lol :)
Nov 30 07:02:13 <DarkriftX> well... i think he might be trustworthy, but still. you never know
Nov 30 07:02:59 <Lieutenant> yeah i'll wait until a long while longer, until more people comment on it or whatever.
Nov 30 07:03:06 <Lieutenant> and um...
Nov 30 07:03:13 <DarkriftX> that koush guy has done a few things for android and most dont require su. this one seems like it might be legit, but until you talk to someone who has checked the source, you are still taking a risk
Nov 30 07:03:35 <DarkriftX> that right there is why most ppl think having root on android is a bad idea
Nov 30 07:03:38 <TiberiumX> I just used the Amazon MP3 store program.  Pretty nice and easy.  It'd be cool if you could integrate with riaaradar or something.  I'm guessing the source isn't available for this one?
Nov 30 07:03:48 <Lieutenant> yeah but on most of his apps, comments say "it killed my root access" i dunno why.
Nov 30 07:03:49 <DarkriftX> masses of people downloading apps that need root and not knowing if they are safe
Nov 30 07:04:10 <JesusFreke> luietenant, that's just because people don't realize how his earlier versions worked
Nov 30 07:04:47 <Lieutenant> oh, but now it wont, correct?
Nov 30 07:04:51 <Lieutenant> ahh this shit is just confusing
Nov 30 07:05:06 <JesusFreke> yeah, his newest version is much more user friendly :)
Nov 30 07:05:13 <Lieutenant> sweet.
Nov 30 07:05:21 <JesusFreke> type su and it pops up a screen saying "do you want to allow su access to such and such app"
Nov 30 07:05:46 <Lieutenant> did u download the screenshot app by any chance?
Nov 30 07:05:55 <JesusFreke> no
Nov 30 07:05:59 <Lieutenant> lol
Nov 30 07:06:10 <JesusFreke> but I wouldn't have any problem with it
Nov 30 07:06:10 <Lieutenant> ur prolly like "fuck no, i dont trust that guy"
Nov 30 07:06:20 <JesusFreke> I just don't need a screenshot app :D
Nov 30 07:06:24 <Lieutenant> oh
Nov 30 07:06:44 <JesusFreke> If I need to take a screenshot, then I'm at my computer and can hook it up via usb and use ddms
Nov 30 07:06:49 <Gary|tp> JesusFreke
Nov 30 07:06:53 <Gary|tp> did you read my comment?
Nov 30 07:07:15 <JesusFreke> I'm guessing no. I don't recall reading one, at least :)
Nov 30 07:07:33 <JesusFreke> I don't usually read the backlog in here
Nov 30 07:07:35 <JesusFreke> too long :p
Nov 30 07:08:12 <Lieutenant> hey is there ever gonna be a way to extract a .apk file like u can do with .iso's? so everyone can see whats in a .apk themselves (to see the code used) or is this typa thing not even possible with these types of files?
Nov 30 07:08:22 <tmzt> unzip?
Nov 30 07:08:26 <sparkle> you can see bytecode
Nov 30 07:08:39 <Gary|tp> [21:36] <Gary13579> JesusFreke: Ahh, well, read this when you get back. I was wondering if any of the updates you've done include recompiled code, or if it's all been simple modifications to file system etc. Wondering if it'd be possible to improve the SMS system to stop all the lag that happens when you
Nov 30 07:08:41 <Gary|tp> have thousands of texts (maybe add a LIMIT 100 to the SQLite query)
Nov 30 07:08:53 <tmzt> take one of the jvm disasm's and add support for dvm codes
Nov 30 07:09:19 <Gary|tp> I mean, can you actually recompile major parts of the system and add them to an update for the g1
Nov 30 07:09:20 <Lieutenant> oh so it IS possible?
Nov 30 07:09:33 <JesusFreke> it just depends on the specific app gary
Nov 30 07:09:35 <sparkle> truthfully though...encourage people to release their s/w with source
Nov 30 07:09:43 <JesusFreke> I'm not sure about the SMS thing. might be possible..
Nov 30 07:09:56 <tmzt> where is sms implemented?
Nov 30 07:09:58 <JesusFreke> but not really something I'm interested in looking into
Nov 30 07:10:03 <Lieutenant> then why do people say "hey, u didn't release the code, i dont trust you." when they can see the code themselves?
Nov 30 07:10:12 <sparkle> Gary|tp: sure, but only users who can process updates with your keys will be able to use them
Nov 30 07:10:13 <Gary|tp> well, I think adding a few limits would seriously speed up the texting app
Nov 30 07:10:27 <DarkriftX> damn that koush guy
Nov 30 07:10:35 <Gary|tp> of course, but I'd want it to be used with JF's updates/keys
Nov 30 07:10:36 <DarkriftX> doesnt put version numbers on his site, so no way to tell if market has latest version
Nov 30 07:10:43 <Lieutenant> darkrift, why?
Nov 30 07:10:46 <Lieutenant> oh gotcha.
Nov 30 07:11:20 <Gary|tp> Lieutenant: Because IIRC, no one knows the davlik bytecode well enough to decompile it. It's possible, as it is just java, but it'll take time for someone to convert davlik back to java
Nov 30 07:11:43 <tmzt> if they used gcc, it might already be done
Nov 30 07:11:53 <Lieutenant> oh, isee.
Nov 30 07:12:02 <tmzt> gcc being gnu compiler collection, including java
Nov 30 07:12:29 <Lieutenant> k i got 1 more question, is it possible to edit programs that are already on the G1? (specifically the YouTube app) because someone could make it where all the video links automatically add the string "&fmt=18" to every link to make the videos high quality. would that be possible?
Nov 30 07:12:48 <DarkriftX> nice
Nov 30 07:12:52 <DarkriftX> superuser works pretty good
Nov 30 07:12:56 <JesusFreke> yeah
Nov 30 07:12:58 <JesusFreke> it's spiffy
Nov 30 07:13:03 <sparkle> easier way to do that is just to shunt requests through a proxy
Nov 30 07:13:12 <DarkriftX> its kinda big and ugly, but functions nicely
Nov 30 07:13:25 <sparkle> android already supports that, looks like
Nov 30 07:13:25 <DarkriftX> does android not support window'd apps?
Nov 30 07:13:32 <JesusFreke> only minor thing I don't like is that it takes too long for the screen to pop up
Nov 30 07:13:41 <DarkriftX> liek just a popup with the same details instead of a whole screen
Nov 30 07:13:43 <JesusFreke> after you type su
Nov 30 07:13:49 <JesusFreke> dunno dark
Nov 30 07:13:50 <DarkriftX> yeah, about 4 seconds :(
Nov 30 07:14:02 <JesusFreke> You can whitelist terminal emulator though
Nov 30 07:14:08 <JesusFreke> I'm not sure if it speeds it up though
Nov 30 07:14:13 <JesusFreke> I haven't tried yet. lol
Nov 30 07:14:22 <sparkle> if you ask me, putting out canned apps that req root perms is just...messed
Nov 30 07:14:27 <DarkriftX> i can deal with the speed
Nov 30 07:14:41 <DarkriftX> just hate having to use back to switch from open apps
Nov 30 07:14:46 <sparkle> if you don't know how to handle root, you shouldn't be messing with it
Nov 30 07:14:53 <DarkriftX> i agree sparkle
Nov 30 07:14:57 <DarkriftX> its a catch22
Nov 30 07:14:58 <JesusFreke> you can't handle the root!
Nov 30 07:15:04 <JesusFreke> rooth!
Nov 30 07:15:32 <sparkle> then again i've been a sysadmin for 2000 grad students
Nov 30 07:15:38 <DarkriftX> lol
Nov 30 07:15:40 <sparkle> if anyone can screw things up...
Nov 30 07:15:50 <DarkriftX> i bet my wife woudl give you a run for your money
Nov 30 07:15:59 <DarkriftX> she can breath on a computer and it will crash
Nov 30 07:16:00 <sparkle> "power lusers"
Nov 30 07:16:21 <umdk1d3> mmm   ls rm latex   ;)
Nov 30 07:16:26 <DarkriftX> question, does the gmail app remove messages from the server? (will kmail still get a copy when it checks?)
Nov 30 07:16:26 <umdk1d3> *ln
Nov 30 07:18:33 <DarkriftX> he should make a superuser that acts liek sudo, requires a password
Nov 30 07:19:46 <JesusFreke> fnord has one
Nov 30 07:23:56 <RyeBrye> For anyone who cares, I posted the source for that ugly multitouch proof-of-concept hack
Nov 30 07:24:16 <DarkriftX> not just ugly, FUGLY
Nov 30 07:24:18 * DarkriftX hides
Nov 30 07:24:23 <RyeBrye> http://tinyurl.com/6an29l
Nov 30 07:24:45 * DarkriftX looks for something fun to do with his g1
Nov 30 07:25:37 <DarkriftX> btw, the market search sucks donkey balls
Nov 30 07:29:20 <DarkriftX> shit, i thought superuser was cool.... then i found it doesnt persist after reboot :(
Nov 30 07:29:38 <DarkriftX> well, it was a nice try :(
Nov 30 07:30:02 <Damm> DarkriftX, don't bitch... fix it
Nov 30 07:30:19 <DarkriftX> wouldnt know where to start
Nov 30 07:30:31 <DarkriftX> the bitchers are what gets the fixers working
Nov 30 07:30:32 <DarkriftX> :)
Nov 30 07:30:53 <Damm> then you have no right to bitch
Nov 30 07:31:04 <Damm> this is a Free and Open Source System, you can fix anything you want on it.
Nov 30 07:31:18 <Damm> (specially if you didn't install RC30 and have RC30+root+v1.2
Nov 30 07:34:33 <Damm> i'm missing my old blackberry
Nov 30 07:34:49 <Damm> so much smoother then the G1... having a Blackberry Bold would be swank.
Nov 30 07:35:03 <Damm> cept I get SSH free on the Android, and don't have to pay 30$ like I do with the BB SSH.
Nov 30 07:35:18 <DarkriftX> Damm, don't bitch... fix it :)
Nov 30 07:37:50 <Damm> DarkriftX, my phone is basically a SSH and Nagios pager.
Nov 30 07:37:57 <Damm> that's all I care about.
Nov 30 07:38:14 <DarkriftX> i can almost say the same for mine
Nov 30 07:38:24 <DarkriftX> i want browser, ssh and other fun junk to play with
Nov 30 07:38:31 <Damm> the G1 is decent for nagios pages.
Nov 30 07:38:35 <Damm> and the SSH is excellent
Nov 30 07:38:41 <DarkriftX> connectbot is the shit
Nov 30 07:38:45 <spackest> so anyone else here think that the eclipse / android setup is pretty dang unstable?
Nov 30 07:39:02 <Damm> I wouldn't touch eclipse with a 10 foot pole.
Nov 30 07:39:03 <Damm> nuf said.
Nov 30 07:39:05 <spackest> maybe it is just cause I am using an old laptop or something
Nov 30 07:39:17 <spackest> Damm: how do you develop?
Nov 30 07:39:26 <Damm> spackest, vi, or *twitch* textmate
Nov 30 07:40:02 <DarkriftX> i guess its time for me to figure out this debian on the g1 stuff
Nov 30 07:40:14 <Damm> been using vi since 1993?
Nov 30 07:40:18 <Damm> not gonna stop now
Nov 30 07:41:02 <d03boy> I have a vertical linear layout. How can I say that I want the bottom one to be like.. 10% of the layout
Nov 30 07:42:26 <spackest> yeah, I have used vi for years, but not sure how to do all the emulator stuff outside of eclipse
Nov 30 07:43:42 <TiberiumX> Isn't there supposed to be a vim plugin for Eclipse?  (I also use vim in favor of eclipse -- it's too painful not to)
Nov 30 07:44:16 <d03boy> that's really neat
Nov 30 07:44:44 <TiberiumX> Emulator stuff works just the same.  You just use a script that came with the SDK to create your application directory tree/files and then run "ant" to build the project.
Nov 30 07:44:47 <some-other-choop> hello all
Nov 30 07:45:04 * IznastY - [ is away ] [ Reason: Activate IdleAway: 300 min ] [ Time: 22:44:55 ] [ Pager: on ] [ Log: on ]
Nov 30 07:46:28 <some-other-choop> i just got my g1 today
Nov 30 07:46:38 <some-other-choop> haven't even made a call yet and i know it's the right choice :D
Nov 30 07:46:41 <spikebike> what release did it come with?
Nov 30 07:46:55 <some-other-choop> not sure, how can i tell
Nov 30 07:47:06 <RyeBrye> type "reboot" in your keypad
Nov 30 07:47:08 <RyeBrye> ;)
Nov 30 07:47:21 <RyeBrye> oh, then hit enter too
Nov 30 07:47:23 <unix_infidel> LOL.
Nov 30 07:47:30 <spikebike> settings -> about phone
Nov 30 07:47:33 <TiberiumX> Settings->About phone->Build number
Nov 30 07:47:48 <spikebike> build number
Nov 30 07:47:53 <spikebike> heh, ya
Nov 30 07:48:55 <some-other-choop> kila-user 1.0 tc4-rc29 115247
Nov 30 07:49:23 <spikebike> cool, you can get and keep root on your phone
Nov 30 07:49:31 <TiberiumX> If you're at all interested in root access, don't let it automatically update when it asks.
Nov 30 07:49:34 <spikebike> if it offers to auto-upgrade click on later
Nov 30 07:49:36 <some-other-choop> okay
Nov 30 07:49:38 <spikebike> ya
Nov 30 07:49:54 <some-other-choop> what i'm interested in is two things
Nov 30 07:50:05 <some-other-choop> 1) syncing with osx 10.4
Nov 30 07:50:11 <spikebike> syncing?
Nov 30 07:50:13 <some-other-choop> 2) irc other than mibbit
Nov 30 07:50:19 <some-other-choop> yeah, contacts & shit
Nov 30 07:50:31 <spikebike> import to gmail contacts
Nov 30 07:50:48 <some-other-choop> right
Nov 30 07:50:49 <d03boy> im workingon irc right now
Nov 30 07:50:52 <d03boy> but I suck at the UI dev ha
Nov 30 07:50:56 <spikebike> personally I use connectbot -> irssi
Nov 30 07:51:05 <DarkriftX> odd, wont let me mount my g1 sd card
Nov 30 07:51:09 <DarkriftX> giving me odd errors :S
Nov 30 07:51:53 <DarkriftX> isCallerPrivledged()
Nov 30 07:53:33 <d03boy> you cant spell privileged
Nov 30 07:54:01 <some-other-choop> wow shells are gonna be rough on this keyboard
Nov 30 07:54:07 <JesusFreke> no, but he can spell privledged :D
Nov 30 07:54:10 <DarkriftX> its 1am, not worried about spelling lol
Nov 30 07:59:17 <Lieutenant> there is an irc app out, its in beta though
Nov 30 07:59:30 <d03boy> it really doesnt do anything
Nov 30 07:59:31 <some-other-choop> i'm willing to use beta
Nov 30 07:59:46 <Lieutenant> countercultured.net/ircbeta.apk
Nov 30 07:59:50 <Lieutenant> works fine.
Nov 30 08:00:01 <d03boy> countercultured.net/irc/
Nov 30 08:01:30 <some-other-choop> installing
Nov 30 08:01:42 <DarkriftX> heh, me too
Nov 30 08:03:19 <d03boy> i cant get these weights right
Nov 30 08:04:09 <some-other-choop> haha i typo'd the server name
Nov 30 08:04:46 <DarkriftX> wow
Nov 30 08:04:49 <DarkriftX> thats not bad at all
Nov 30 08:05:05 <DarkriftX> i like the drag to change channel feature (although it took soem guesswork to figure that out)
Nov 30 08:05:13 <droidrift> w00t
Nov 30 08:06:23 <some-other-choop> odd, coldfront won't connect
Nov 30 08:07:03 <some-other-choop> there we go
Nov 30 08:07:28 <DarkriftX> whos app is this?
Nov 30 08:07:33 <d03boy> nyt
Nov 30 08:07:38 <DarkriftX> nice
Nov 30 08:07:38 <d03boy> check the 'about' screen
Nov 30 08:08:20 <DarkriftX> unless there are major bugs, i wouldnt call this beta :)
Nov 30 08:09:22 <d03boy> it has practically no features
Nov 30 08:09:24 * d03boy doesnt work
Nov 30 08:10:42 <tiberiumx2> Pretty cool.  How long do you think it'll be until you're ready to release?
Nov 30 08:11:17 <Lieutenant> lol its nyt's app.
Nov 30 08:11:26 <Lieutenant> and he is gonna release it post january i think
Nov 30 08:11:32 <Lieutenant> he wants to charge for it.
Nov 30 08:12:04 <some-other-choop> D:
Nov 30 08:12:08 <some-other-choop> not much i hope
Nov 30 08:12:22 <Lieutenant> yeah beta expires in 2 weeks from the time he uploaded it
Nov 30 08:12:31 <DarkriftX> no features is better then no connection :)
Nov 30 08:12:58 <Lieutenant> yeah it still does what basic irc does. chat, /nick /join n shit like that
Nov 30 08:13:23 <TiberiumX> Is the IRC protocol very complicated?
Nov 30 08:13:35 <d03boy> extremely simple
Nov 30 08:13:49 <d03boy> i can do the irc protocol portion in a matter of a couple days if someone handles the UI
Nov 30 08:14:18 <Lieutenant> well then we should make an irc app, i'll come up with the ideas for features :)
Nov 30 08:14:20 * Lieutenant winks
Nov 30 08:14:29 <d03boy> ircell.org
Nov 30 08:14:52 <Lieutenant> oh, son of a bitch! lol
Nov 30 08:14:52 <d03boy> if you want to do the UI stuff, feel free
Nov 30 08:15:27 <TiberiumX> Haha.  Maybe I'll try an IRC client when I finish my current project.
Nov 30 08:15:39 <waldo_> what happened to novak's im client anyway
Nov 30 08:16:18 <waldo_> irc I mean
Nov 30 08:17:35 <d03boy> ive got this Horizontal Linear Layout with 2 buttons in it
Nov 30 08:17:58 <d03boy> each button is width=fill_parent
Nov 30 08:18:09 <TiberiumX> And the first one pushes the second out?
Nov 30 08:18:13 <d03boy> yes
Nov 30 08:18:17 <some-other-choop> is this client based on xchat?
Nov 30 08:18:33 <Lieutenant> i believe he made it from scratch
Nov 30 08:18:38 <TiberiumX> Set them each to android:weight="1"
Nov 30 08:18:48 <TiberiumX> layout_weight, I mean
Nov 30 08:18:50 <d03boy> TiberiumX, how do those weights work?
Nov 30 08:19:37 <TiberiumX> Not really sure at the moment.
Nov 30 08:24:30 <uncategorized> anyone know of an app that allows me to download my text messages (mms messages as well)
Nov 30 08:25:10 <Lieutenant> wow
Nov 30 08:26:07 <Lieutenant> something is wrong lol. i hit "deny" on the SuperUser app, and i still got the # when i typed "su" in terminal emulator
Nov 30 08:26:59 <JesusFreke> heh. that's not good
Nov 30 08:27:08 <JesusFreke> lemme install it and try it
Nov 30 08:28:25 <Lieutenant> k this is what i did.
Nov 30 08:28:32 <Lieutenant> i typed "su" then i hit "allow"
Nov 30 08:29:29 <Lieutenant> then when the # came up, i type su again, and superuser came back up and asked to allow, i hit NO. then terminal emulator said "su: permission denied" but the next line was a # instead of a $
Nov 30 08:30:04 <JesusFreke> yeah, that's normal
Nov 30 08:30:24 <JesusFreke> su won't downgrade your permissions if you already have root
Nov 30 08:30:41 <Lieutenant> so if i allow it once, and deny it the second time, an app will still have access?
Nov 30 08:31:04 <JesusFreke> it depends on if the app "keeps" the access from the first time
Nov 30 08:31:10 <tmzt> if the app or proccess it starts already has root, it won't lose it
Nov 30 08:31:16 <Lieutenant> oh okay.
Nov 30 08:31:17 <JesusFreke> exactly
Nov 30 08:31:48 <uncategorized> anyone receive an error message about pictures being too large or not compatible when sending a picture message to a cingular customer on a razor?
Nov 30 08:31:51 <tmzt> another app running as the unprivladged user will need to run su and be accepted though
Nov 30 08:31:58 <uncategorized> i am selecting the "automatically resize" option
Nov 30 08:32:05 <tmzt> not like sudo, which can allow repeated access from the same tty/vty
Nov 30 08:32:15 <offby1> uncategorized: you're probably the only person on the planet who's ever done exactly that
Nov 30 08:32:20 <Lieutenant> i've got that message "too large" but that was when iwas sending itto my sisters G1,
Nov 30 08:32:29 <Lieutenant> the picture sizes are just too big for mms period.
Nov 30 08:32:45 <spikebike> uncategorized: heh, yeah I've had failures before, usually without errors
Nov 30 08:32:56 <spikebike> i.e. I send, looks like it worked, but they get a blank message
Nov 30 08:33:17 <uncategorized> yeah, they are receiving a message with an error message. :(
Nov 30 08:33:51 <Lieutenant> wow, i keep getting this gay red flag alert from weatherbug on my phone saying "there are fire conditions or will be fire conditions very soon"
Nov 30 08:34:05 <Lieutenant> i keep hitting "ok" but it keeps coming up, gosh this program is annoying
Nov 30 08:34:50 <Lieutenant> oh wait, its a "red flag warning"
Nov 30 08:36:05 <Lieutenant> i can't wait till that one guy makes that G1 garage opener app. :)
Nov 30 08:36:37 <Lieutenant> but sadly i wont be hooking my garage door to the internet :S
Nov 30 08:36:48 <Lieutenant> i can't think of a more random combination.
Nov 30 08:37:21 <d03boy> what is a good button height
Nov 30 08:37:26 <d03boy> im not sure because I don tactually have a phone
Nov 30 08:37:28 <spikebike> not so random when you are sitting outside a locked garage door
Nov 30 08:38:19 <Lieutenant> well i'm pretty sure you'd have a garage door opener in your car since you are going to be parking the car inside it. lol
Nov 30 08:38:22 <uncategorized> seems like many have issues:  http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f7/sent-picture-messages-6308/
Nov 30 08:40:00 <DarkriftX> adb devices isnt showing anything. dmesg and lsusb are both showing the g1, and the sd is not mounted. is there anything else im missing?
Nov 30 08:40:57 <Lieutenant> is anyone working on skins?
Nov 30 08:49:39 <tmzt> DarkriftX: what does lsusb -v -v show for g1?
Nov 30 08:50:24 <DarkriftX> quite a lot
Nov 30 08:50:28 <DarkriftX> anything in particular i should look for?
Nov 30 08:51:57 <DarkriftX> it seems to show as mass storage, even though i havent used the mount command on the g1
Nov 30 09:01:17 <Lieutenant> with the screenshot app, i get error: Screenshot.raw file not found
Nov 30 09:01:21 <Lieutenant> anyone know whats wrong?
Nov 30 09:08:24 <offby1> maybe you don't have root?  The intro screen says in giant letters "You have to have root access for this to work!!"
Nov 30 09:11:37 <Lieutenant> i do have root
Nov 30 09:11:43 <Lieutenant> well last i remember i had root lol.
Nov 30 09:14:53 <Lieutenant> hm
Nov 30 09:15:02 <Lieutenant> i know why it didn't work
Nov 30 09:15:25 <JesusFreke> why's that?
Nov 30 09:15:29 <Lieutenant> i had to type: mount -o rw,remount -t yaffs2 /dev/block/mtdblock3 /system into terminal emulator first
Nov 30 09:15:49 <Lieutenant> thats gay, the program should do that itself
Nov 30 09:16:15 <JesusFreke> really?
Nov 30 09:16:18 <JesusFreke> that's weird
Nov 30 09:16:27 <tmzt> you probably have to echo something to /sys also
Nov 30 09:16:43 <JesusFreke> it shouldn't require write access to system at all
Nov 30 09:16:53 <JesusFreke> probably an unintentional bug
Nov 30 09:17:06 <tmzt> oh, sorry, thought that was DarkriftX
Nov 30 09:17:30 <tmzt> where is it saving the Screenshot.raw?
Nov 30 09:17:41 <DarkriftX> i finally got adb working by unplugging and replugging the g1 in a few times
Nov 30 09:17:56 <Lieutenant> i dont know about all that echo stuff, but what i do know is, before i typed that mount string, i kept getting that error, so i opened terminal emulator and typed that mount string (because that was the only option i had lol) and it worked.
Nov 30 09:18:10 <Lieutenant> maybe it WAS just a bug, lemme restart my phone so the mount string will go away.
Nov 30 09:18:30 <tmzt> I meant the echo to DarkriftX, to change his usb function
Nov 30 09:18:35 <d03boy> i cant get this piece of crap layout right
Nov 30 09:19:16 <DarkriftX> someone here offered to do the layout for you i think
Nov 30 09:19:26 <Lieutenant> it wasn't me.
Nov 30 09:19:53 <DarkriftX> i remember someone saying they would, and i vaguely remember seeing screenshots of a demo irc layout
Nov 30 09:20:23 <DarkriftX> or i might be hallucinating due to lack of sleep
Nov 30 09:20:38 <Lieutenant> maybe the screenshot u saw was from http://ircell.org/ ??
Nov 30 09:20:41 <d03boy> you're hallucinating
Nov 30 09:20:47 <Lieutenant> and u just combined those two moments together lol
Nov 30 09:20:50 <d03boy> Lieutenant, no screenshots on there :)
Nov 30 09:21:24 <Lieutenant> oh
Nov 30 09:21:31 <Lieutenant> well that cancels that out.
Nov 30 09:22:34 <Lieutenant> darkriftx, what were u talkin about?
Nov 30 09:22:39 <Lieutenant> i just restarted my phone
Nov 30 09:22:46 <Lieutenant> typed su into terminal emulator
Nov 30 09:22:52 <Lieutenant> and superuser popped up
Nov 30 09:23:19 <DarkriftX> i saw someone mention they were good at the design part and offered to do that for someone and i saw screenshots. they said they werent good with the code part
Nov 30 09:23:35 <DarkriftX> might have been a different irc project, but i did see screenshots of the main area, nicklist, channel tabs etc :S
Nov 30 09:24:10 <DarkriftX> i need sleep, but im halfway through the debian "install"
Nov 30 09:24:16 <DarkriftX> just wish i knew why im getting an error
Nov 30 09:25:52 <Lieutenant> yeah, this time i didn't have to type mount, and it worked
Nov 30 09:25:55 <Lieutenant> musta been a lil glitch
Nov 30 09:26:42 <tmzt> if it remounted readonly, there might be a problem/corruption, check dmesg or log*
Nov 30 09:27:23 <tmzt> DarkriftX: what is the error? su?
Nov 30 09:27:46 <DarkriftX> insmod $kit/ext2.ko  gives me "not found"
Nov 30 09:28:03 <DarkriftX> ive tried full path, running that from the folder with the ext2.ko and anything else i could think of
Nov 30 09:28:20 <tmzt> what instructions are you using?
Nov 30 09:28:27 <DarkriftX> the original
Nov 30 09:28:30 <tmzt> and the not found is probably insmod, to the .ko
Nov 30 09:28:33 <tmzt> not
Nov 30 09:28:34 <DarkriftX> http://www.saurik.com/id/10
Nov 30 09:28:48 <DarkriftX> ahhhh
Nov 30 09:28:49 <tmzt> is it bash: not found?
Nov 30 09:28:53 <DarkriftX> no
Nov 30 09:29:00 <DarkriftX> insmod: module 'ext2.ko' not found
Nov 30 09:29:17 <DarkriftX> that was ran in the folder that ext2.ko is in
Nov 30 09:29:31 <tmzt> what is echo $kit ?
Nov 30 09:29:33 <DarkriftX> ive used full path using tab auto complete
Nov 30 09:29:44 <DarkriftX> $kit = /sdcard/debian
Nov 30 09:30:23 <DarkriftX> insmod: module '/sdcard/debian/ext2.ko' not found
Nov 30 09:30:38 <tmzt> ls -lh shows it to be there?
Nov 30 09:30:45 <DarkriftX> ----rw-rw-    1 1000     1000       786633 Nov 30 08:25 /sdcard/debian/ext2.ko
Nov 30 09:30:55 <tmzt> id
Nov 30 09:30:59 <DarkriftX> root
Nov 30 09:31:00 <DarkriftX> 0
Nov 30 09:31:10 <Lieutenant> someone should really find a way to make the phone louder!
Nov 30 09:31:46 <d03boy> you'd probably have to clip the sound
Nov 30 09:31:58 <tmzt>  insmod junk
Nov 30 09:31:59 <tmzt> insmod: can't read 'junk': No such file or directory
Nov 30 09:32:09 <tmzt> what insmod are you using?
Nov 30 09:32:16 <DarkriftX> insmod: module 'test' not found
Nov 30 09:32:19 <DarkriftX> busybox
Nov 30 09:32:23 <DarkriftX> which is what it says to use
Nov 30 09:32:30 <tmzt> try busybox test
Nov 30 09:32:33 <DarkriftX> im using jf's 1.2 which comes with it
Nov 30 09:32:51 <DarkriftX> insmod: module 'test' not found
Nov 30 09:33:01 <tmzt> sorry?
Nov 30 09:33:07 <tmzt> can you run 'busybox test'
Nov 30 09:33:10 <tmzt> wait
Nov 30 09:33:15 <tmzt> 'busybox junk'
Nov 30 09:33:25 <DarkriftX> junk: applet not found
Nov 30 09:33:39 <tmzt> ok
Nov 30 09:33:42 <DarkriftX> im in busybox sh
Nov 30 09:33:58 <tmzt> try it in the same directory, don't use a path
Nov 30 09:34:04 <DarkriftX> i have been
Nov 30 09:34:10 <DarkriftX> i tried "insmod ext<tab>"
Nov 30 09:34:19 <DarkriftX> which auto completed the filename for me and gave same error
Nov 30 09:34:21 <tmzt> try busybox insmod ext2.ko
Nov 30 09:34:26 <Lieutenant> how do i know if i am using jf's 1.2?
Nov 30 09:34:39 <DarkriftX> sdcard/debian # busybox insmod ext2.ko
Nov 30 09:34:39 <DarkriftX> insmod: module 'ext2.ko' not found
Nov 30 09:35:07 <DarkriftX> i used adb push to put the files there, are the permissions correct?
Nov 30 09:35:09 <tmzt> cat ext2.ko > /dev/null
Nov 30 09:35:15 <DarkriftX> ----rw-rw-
Nov 30 09:35:26 <tmzt> no, but I don't think root cares
Nov 30 09:35:27 <DarkriftX> holy jesus
Nov 30 09:35:30 <tmzt> cat ext2.ko > /dev/null
Nov 30 09:35:35 <DarkriftX> thx... taht was loud lol
Nov 30 09:35:37 <DarkriftX> woke me up
Nov 30 09:35:48 <DarkriftX> killed my adb shell
Nov 30 09:35:51 <tmzt> you didn't do /dev/dsp I hope
Nov 30 09:35:58 <DarkriftX> no, dev/null
Nov 30 09:36:09 <tmzt> no error?
Nov 30 09:36:13 <DarkriftX> locked up
Nov 30 09:36:21 <DarkriftX> ctrl c gave me prompt
Nov 30 09:36:33 <tmzt> dma issues? I didn't think g1 had those
Nov 30 09:36:34 <tmzt> oh
Nov 30 09:36:42 <DarkriftX> lestrlenmem_map__mark_inode_dirtygeneric_file_llseekmake_bad_inode__breadmark_buffer_dirty_inode__aeabi_idivmodext2_add_linksb_min_blocksizeget_seconds__kmallociget_failed_find_next_zero_bit_lekmem_cache_destroy/sdcard/debian # 1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c
Nov 30 09:36:49 <DarkriftX> thats the last 3 lines of what was echoed
Nov 30 09:37:43 <tmzt> how did JesusFreke compile it?
Nov 30 09:38:05 <DarkriftX> not sure, JesusFreke?
Nov 30 09:38:06 <tmzt> the aeabi_idivmod thing looks bad
Nov 30 09:38:42 <DarkriftX> you mean busybox or the .ko file?
Nov 30 09:38:48 <tmzt> busybox
Nov 30 09:38:54 <JesusFreke> saurik did
Nov 30 09:39:07 <DarkriftX> yeah, i thought he was using the one saurik had on his page
Nov 30 09:39:12 <tmzt> try loading wlan.ko
Nov 30 09:39:38 <DarkriftX> where is it?
Nov 30 09:39:39 <tmzt> doesn't android have an insmod for wlan?
Nov 30 09:39:49 <tmzt> /system/lib I think
Nov 30 09:40:13 <DarkriftX> system/lib/modules # insmod wlan.ko
Nov 30 09:40:13 <DarkriftX> insmod: module 'wlan.ko' not found
Nov 30 09:40:27 <DarkriftX> so its the insmod thats having the problem :S
Nov 30 09:40:34 <tmzt> yes
Nov 30 09:40:44 <tmzt> what does the firewall script use?
Nov 30 09:40:56 <tmzt> the "teather" one
Nov 30 09:40:59 <DarkriftX> lol
Nov 30 09:41:06 <DarkriftX> killed the busybox sh and ran it and it worked :S
Nov 30 09:41:24 <tmzt> yes, or you should be able to use /system/bin/insmod
Nov 30 09:41:33 <tmzt> busybox sh will use busybox applets first
Nov 30 09:41:44 <DarkriftX> his instructions say to
Nov 30 09:41:45 <tmzt> unless you use a path
Nov 30 09:41:57 <DarkriftX> oh, that was for mknod
Nov 30 09:42:00 <DarkriftX> i misread :S
Nov 30 09:42:09 <swetland> the insmod in toolbox needs a full path
Nov 30 09:42:39 <tmzt> you can use busybox mknod instead from the default shell (whatever that is)
Nov 30 09:42:43 <tmzt> hey, swetland
Nov 30 09:42:44 <swetland> (or for the module to be in the current directory)
Nov 30 09:42:47 <swetland> 'evening
Nov 30 09:43:14 <tmzt> who would know if MSMFB_BLIT is needed after writing to /dev/fb0 with mmap?
Nov 30 09:43:34 <d03boy> can anyone explain to me how the UI weights work?
Nov 30 09:43:40 <swetland> believe that's the ioctl for memory to memory blits
Nov 30 09:43:53 <swetland> I believe you do need to do something to kick the screen after writing to it
Nov 30 09:43:59 <tmzt> we can't get X fbdev to work on the other msm phones
Nov 30 09:44:08 <swetland> since we don't continuously dma to the panel controller, only on demand
Nov 30 09:44:14 <tmzt> but cat /dev/urandom > /dev/fb0 does work
Nov 30 09:45:20 <swetland> you're probably going to have to modify X or modify the driver
Nov 30 09:45:47 <swetland> we generally do page flipping by adjusting the pan
Nov 30 09:45:50 <tmzt> right, we are going to make a testfb program then make SDL work I think, then get an X ddx just for msm
Nov 30 09:45:54 <swetland> but I believe there's an ioctl to just ask for a refresh
Nov 30 09:46:01 <swetland> without panning
Nov 30 09:46:19 <swetland> look at the minui stuff in recovery
Nov 30 09:46:24 <tmzt> if we ever get offscreen pixmaps, that would be helpful
Nov 30 09:46:26 <tmzt> oh
Nov 30 09:46:38 <swetland> it has some code for blasting stuff to the fb device, page flipping, etc
Nov 30 09:46:57 <tmzt> alot easier than deciphering base.git libs/ui
Nov 30 09:47:30 <swetland> there's code in the surfaceflinger for that as well
Nov 30 09:47:38 <swetland> but I think it's a bit more subtle
Nov 30 09:48:00 <swetland> you probably will want to wire up the BLIT ioctl to do hw assisted 2d blits
Nov 30 09:48:15 <tmzt> what are the G* things, like GGLContext versus EGLContext, even in minui
Nov 30 09:48:18 <DarkriftX> wow
Nov 30 09:48:21 <DarkriftX> debian up and running
Nov 30 09:48:21 <swetland> in particular the hw can do rotates a *lot* faster than software
Nov 30 09:48:22 <DarkriftX> thats nice
Nov 30 09:48:27 <swetland> tmzt: pixelflinger
Nov 30 09:48:46 * DarkriftX loves his apt-get
Nov 30 09:48:47 <swetland> pixelflinger implements the rasterization side of a software gl system
Nov 30 09:49:00 <tmzt> used on emulator also?
Nov 30 09:49:05 <swetland> yup
Nov 30 09:49:15 <DarkriftX> thx for the troubleshooting tmzt
Nov 30 09:49:28 <tmzt> that explains the BootAnimation working on there without any gpu
Nov 30 09:49:31 <tmzt> ok
Nov 30 09:49:33 <swetland> pixelflinger is also used by surfaceflinger to do combine ops the hw can't do
Nov 30 09:49:47 <swetland> for example, the MDP on MSM7K cannot do premultiplied alpha
Nov 30 09:50:15 <kRutOn> i miss pixel shaders
Nov 30 09:50:23 <tmzt> are there any binary components involved in gpu or just pmem?
Nov 30 09:50:25 <swetland> in minui, I used it as a simple sw blit engine and to do the (cheesy) text drawing
Nov 30 09:50:31 <ttuttle> swetland: good evening
Nov 30 09:50:46 <swetland> for the gpu on 7k you need libhgl.so with is the hw openglES library
Nov 30 09:50:54 <swetland> we get that from qualcomm binary-only
Nov 30 09:51:00 <swetland> heya ttuttle
Nov 30 09:51:17 <tmzt> I guess it only uses pmem underneath then?
Nov 30 09:51:26 <swetland> it uses hw3d
Nov 30 09:51:26 <ttuttle> swetland: how's it going?
Nov 30 09:51:34 <swetland> well. been slacking all week.
Nov 30 09:51:41 <ttuttle> swetland: heh.
Nov 30 09:51:45 <tmzt> ok, software will be enough for now, thanks
Nov 30 09:51:53 <swetland> hw3d provides access to the gpu register space and some contig memory regions the gpu needs
Nov 30 09:52:20 <swetland> we're working on some better abstraction for hw 3d support
Nov 30 09:52:31 <tmzt> I'm sure gallium would like that, but I wouldn't know where to start
Nov 30 09:52:32 <swetland> and will move the msm7k stuff to that
Nov 30 09:52:44 <tmzt> I was impressed with the lowlevel work on ps3 though
Nov 30 09:52:45 <swetland> which will make it easier to support other hw 3d chipsets
Nov 30 09:53:00 <ttuttle> swetland: /me is thoroughky enjoying his dogfooding experience these days.
Nov 30 09:53:01 <swetland> and easier for non-surfaceflinger stuff to use 'em as well
Nov 30 09:53:06 <ttuttle> * thoroughly
Nov 30 09:53:38 <tmzt> is binder all that's needed to be a surfaceflinger client?
Nov 30 09:54:15 <swetland> I *think* so
Nov 30 09:54:26 <swetland> that's more mathias territory
Nov 30 09:54:59 <swetland> actually that's how I'd approach doing X
Nov 30 09:55:12 <swetland> make it a client of surfaceflinger
Nov 30 09:55:25 <tmzt> we should be able to get recovery.git/minui on other msm's then, maybe with some path changes as it uses mdev paths
Nov 30 09:55:53 <swetland> (if you want it to coexist with android stuff)
Nov 30 09:56:10 <tmzt> right, but we want an upstream kernel working too, but for people who want X/chroot or vnc on their g1 with android rootfs
Nov 30 09:56:20 <swetland> yeah, certainly
Nov 30 09:56:54 <FreeSoul> Hi guys! i've a few questions: if i'm not wrong android runs over a linux kernel (2.6.18?). This means it can run on x86 arch too? Somewhere I read it is just for ARM but sounds senseless to me... running on top of a linux kernel also means that all drivers are provided by the kernel or I can hope android brings some drivers too?
Nov 30 09:57:01 <swetland> I suppose what you'd *really* want is a fancier X server that backed X windows by android windowmanager windows, though some apps would probably be highly confused by the policy implemented by the windowmanager
Nov 30 09:57:28 <swetland> android currently runs on 2.6.25 or later kernels. backporting would be a bit of a pain.
Nov 30 09:58:05 <tmzt> binder might work on x86 though, I thought someone tried it but I don't remember
Nov 30 09:58:12 <swetland> the source tree does not quite build for x86 native platforms yet, but there is work to get that in there (build system cleanup, and conditionalizing around some arm-specific bits)
Nov 30 09:58:25 <swetland> tmzt: it does, as does the adb gadget driver, ashmem, etc
Nov 30 09:58:47 <tmzt> not too many usb gadgets, maybe some embedded boards
Nov 30 09:58:52 <swetland> most of the "generic" android drivers are not arm-specific and should work on most linux devices
Nov 30 09:59:16 <swetland> s/devices/supported architectures/
Nov 30 09:59:16 <infobot> swetland meant: most of the "generic" android drivers are not arm-specific and should work on most linux supported architectures
Nov 30 09:59:57 <tmzt> recovery.git doesn't use hw3d at all? I think that's what you were saying.
Nov 30 10:00:09 <swetland> that is true
Nov 30 10:00:16 <swetland> it doesn't even use the 2d hw blit stuff
Nov 30 10:00:45 <FreeSoul> swetland: thanks! An other questions: I'd like android to run on my Benq MID S6, that runs atom Cpu. Do you think it may be possible? or at least in the future? At the moment vanilla kernel is still missing drivers and the only one avialable (as far as I know) are the one included in Midinux that comes as default OS. Thanks
Nov 30 10:00:46 <tmzt> DarkriftX: I don't know what the point of ext2 in a loop file on vfat sd card is?
Nov 30 10:01:30 <tmzt> FreeSoul: the one thing about midinux is the closed video driver
Nov 30 10:01:35 <swetland> freesoul: just depends on somebody putting some effort into things. "it's all just software" as the hw guys love telling me ^^
Nov 30 10:02:02 <FreeSoul> tmzt: yes :( I have the source code but it's for x.org 1.3
Nov 30 10:02:16 <swetland> one of our engineers got android running on eee pc and some other small x86 targets. that's the source of the x86 support we're getting merged into the tree
Nov 30 10:02:22 <tmzt> FreeSoul: which would be hard to adapt from a X ddx to whatever android/surfaceflinger/etc. wants
Nov 30 10:02:37 <FreeSoul> swetland: yeah... how not :( It's really sad to read that hw makes are not providing (updated) drivers for everyone
Nov 30 10:03:48 <FreeSoul> tmzt: sorry, do you mean that even with the source of Midinux drivers it would be really hard or that would be easy? (as far as i know it's quite hard)
Nov 30 10:04:24 <tmzt> FreeSoul: if you have the source for paulsbo video, I just thought that was binary from what I've read about the ubuntu project for those devices
Nov 30 10:05:01 <tmzt> FreeSoul: I guess if there is a framebuffer driver (source), it could be modified to work with the software rendering we were talking about
Nov 30 10:05:59 <FreeSoul> tmzt: at ubuntu mobile they just get bored by sw license without reading it. When i bought Benq Mid S6 it comes with a DVD with full source code of all drivers, and they are done for kernel 2.6.28.2 by intel and they all seems to be under GPL terms.
Nov 30 10:06:05 <tmzt> sorry, was just not sure what you meant by drivers only being in midunix
Nov 30 10:06:35 <tmzt> that's cool
Nov 30 10:06:39 <FreeSoul> ooops, kernel is versions 2.6.28.1
Nov 30 10:06:42 <FreeSoul> ooops, kernel is versions 2.6.28.2
Nov 30 10:08:35 <FreeSoul> tmzt: i spent a couple fo days to make all changes i need to my benq mid.... now i've terminal in gui and so on but it's not a real os as a linux user wants. It's closed and I can't install software... midinux is not realeasing updates and so on.... I'm in contact with benq mid product manager and he is just giving hope of somewhat future realease.... how not! This is way I can't wait to run a real os on it!
Nov 30 10:09:20 <tmzt> FreeSoul: is it running from squashfs or something?
Nov 30 10:09:35 <tmzt> FreeSoul: I mean, what do you mean you can't install software?
Nov 30 10:12:04 <tmzt> swetland: I get it, you use the offset in the framebuffer to change the active screen?
Nov 30 10:12:15 <FreeSoul> tmzt: as I could discovered Midinux is derived froma Fedora (with some nasty suse 10.2 libraries) so there' yum packet manager but midinux puts some limitations: repositories it's using are not standard one, so yum can just find tons of dependcies problems and often they are conficting with the midinux installed libraries and the window manager that midinux comes with is not standard. I installed both opera and skype but they can't
Nov 30 10:13:55 <FreeSoul> benq informed me that they are gonna release (when??) an sdk for benq mid.... that is senseless up to me. It's not an iPhone! it should just run a somewhat standard linux distribution. It just need a decent window manager to handle the 800x480 screen resolution. nothing else
Nov 30 10:14:48 <tmzt> FreeSoul: you run as user but can sudo as root?
Nov 30 10:15:17 <FreeSoul> tmzt: do you really think they make me run things as user? Anything runs as root.
Nov 30 10:15:39 <FreeSoul> probably they have never seen a linux os before....
Nov 30 10:19:38 <d03boy> i simply cant imagine how eclipse is using 300MB of ram
Nov 30 10:19:56 <some-other-choop> eclipse is a ramsuck
Nov 30 10:19:58 <d03boy> I miss the old non-bloated version
Nov 30 10:21:31 <some-other-choop> no matter what you do, avoid aptana like the plague
Nov 30 10:22:07 <some-other-choop> it bloats eclipse even further
Nov 30 10:23:09 <d03boy> this piece of crap is to the point of being non-responsive
Nov 30 10:23:35 <joeyjones> some-other-choop: like add-ons in firefox? :p
Nov 30 10:23:35 <FreeSoul> tmzt: what can we do?
Nov 30 10:24:09 <tmzt> I would say take the parts you need and use them on something else (another distro), but that's a lot of work
Nov 30 10:24:11 <some-other-choop> joeyjones - yeah some firefox addons are horrible that way too
Nov 30 10:24:27 <joeyjones> i stick to under 5 add-ons for firefox :p
Nov 30 10:24:49 <tmzt> my understanding of mid is it builds the os image as a whole (at least ubuntu mobile)
Nov 30 10:25:30 <d03boy> is it possible that running new android programs could be causing this slowdown? do I have to end previous processes or does it do it on its own
Nov 30 10:25:51 <FreeSoul> tmzt: yes, this is why I hope a day I'll can put android on the mid.... problems are drivers that are not in the vanilla kernel...
Nov 30 10:26:05 <tmzt> well, what drivers?
Nov 30 10:26:35 <FreeSoul> tmzt: video, wifi, g-sensor, scrollpad
Nov 30 10:27:27 <FreeSoul> ok i can leave without scrollpad :) but i need poulsbo to work and the same for wifi
Nov 30 10:27:33 <tmzt> basic vesa or intel video don't work?
Nov 30 10:27:39 <tmzt> what is wifi?
Nov 30 10:28:56 <FreeSoul> sure, vega works... at the wrong resolution and it mean no 3d acceleration or decent video decoding. wifi, is wireless networking... i don't remember what wireless card it has built in. Ah, there's 3G HSDPA module to support too :)
Nov 30 10:29:35 <tmzt> 3g might be easier, like it might be on usb host
Nov 30 10:29:48 <FreeSoul> tmzt: yes, i suspect yes
Nov 30 10:31:02 <some-other-choop> dang i need a sync app for my g1
Nov 30 10:31:13 <tmzt> I don't know if ubuntu's pbo supports your, I also don't know how to try it without wiping everything out
Nov 30 10:31:29 <some-other-choop> i'm running tiger, not leopard, so the iSync to google function doesn't exist
Nov 30 10:32:34 <FreeSoul> tmzt: the driver is the same and at ubuntu they are still missing it. Wiping the os is not a porblem, on the dvd there's an utility to make an install usb image. It's a pleasure to boot from usb :)
Nov 30 10:33:09 <tmzt> oh, it's not in the apt repos, even as binary? I don't understand
Nov 30 10:33:19 <tmzt> like xserver-xorg-video-pbo
Nov 30 10:33:28 <d03boy> alright. So I have my layout "done"
Nov 30 10:33:34 <FreeSoul> tmzt: i think no.. at least last time i checked :)
Nov 30 10:36:26 <d03boy> sleepy time
Nov 30 10:36:44 <FreeSoul> tmzt: you are right: xserver-xorg-video-psb
Nov 30 10:37:08 <tmzt> you could chroot a debian intrepid and try that
Nov 30 10:37:18 <tmzt> you need a lot of space though
Nov 30 10:37:33 <FreeSoul> tmzt: yep.... mid has just 2GB hdd
Nov 30 10:37:36 <tmzt> does it need a kernel module loaded?
Nov 30 10:37:55 <FreeSoul> tmzt: I don't know, I'm a fedora user... but i suspect yes
Nov 30 10:38:07 <tmzt> does your have one, I guess I mean
Nov 30 10:38:23 <tmzt> particularly, /dev/dri0 or /dev/card/dri0 or something like that
Nov 30 10:38:48 <FreeSoul> i think yes I should check
Nov 30 11:12:43 <fnord_> hm
Nov 30 11:38:49 <Gary|tp> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2977976&postcount=10
Nov 30 11:38:55 <Gary|tp> I'm not wrong on that, am I?
Nov 30 11:39:14 <Gary|tp> or are they doing something extremely stupid by doing sha1(size + name)
Nov 30 11:39:44 <Gary|tp> I honestly can't think of any reason to do that tbh unless you don't give a shit about security and absolutely need the speed, which they don't
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Nov 30 12:03:08 <f00bar80> while to run this android app i got the following error http://pastebin.com/d7ac41a46 , i tried android-dev but now one answered me , any comment ?
Nov 30 12:18:49 <f00bar80> ppl any comment ?
Nov 30 12:20:13 <fnord_> Code error
Nov 30 12:20:26 <fnord_> The app tried to do something to nothing :P
Nov 30 12:21:43 <fnord_> Gary|tp, are you serious?
Nov 30 12:21:55 <Gary|tp> I don't know
Nov 30 12:22:06 <Gary|tp> apparently they think that the SHA checksums are just file names/size
Nov 30 12:22:16 <Gary|tp> I don't believe it but need to be sure lol
Nov 30 12:22:17 <fnord_> Basically....any file in update.zip, including update script?
Nov 30 12:22:25 <fnord_> Wellllllll hmm
Nov 30 12:22:35 <fnord_> how is the size specified?
Nov 30 12:22:59 <fnord_> It's all one string? No nullspace between them?
Nov 30 12:23:42 <Gary|tp> like I said I DOUBT that's how they're checksum'd...
Nov 30 12:24:01 <fnord_> Ahhh
Nov 30 12:24:08 <fnord_> Would be funny :P
Nov 30 12:24:17 <Gary|tp> yeah
Nov 30 12:24:39 <Gary|tp> I mean, it's possible. they left a root shell in the background after all :P. but it'd be incredibly stupid design
Nov 30 12:25:17 <fnord_> Yeah, the open console wasn't stupidity
Nov 30 12:26:12 <Gary|tp> They just forgot to remove it from debugging probably
Nov 30 12:26:35 <Gary|tp> this would require them actually thinking that designing it like this would be smart/safe
Nov 30 12:30:30 <skbohra> hi folks
Nov 30 12:32:20 <skbohra> I need help
Nov 30 12:32:26 <skbohra> anybody there?
Nov 30 12:33:23 <Gary|tp> no
Nov 30 12:33:41 <skbohra> :)
Nov 30 12:33:52 <skbohra> ok
Nov 30 12:37:50 <fnord_> [0:1][Kyf@winxp2:tty0]/home/Kyf/_g1_/rc30% tail -3 META-INF/MANIFEST.MF
Nov 30 12:37:50 <fnord_> Name: system/framework/input.jar
Nov 30 12:37:50 <fnord_> SHA1-Digest: kzkNXsPTfG1UZl2eB01IelVFqOQ=
Nov 30 12:37:50 <fnord_> [0:1][Kyf@winxp2:tty0]/home/Kyf/_g1_/rc30% ls -l system/framework/input.jar
Nov 30 12:37:50 <fnord_> -rw-r--r-- 1 Kyf None 345 Oct 31 19:04 system/framework/input.jar
Nov 30 12:37:51 <fnord_> [0:1][Kyf@winxp2:tty0]/home/Kyf/_g1_/rc30% perl -e '$file="system/framework/input.jar";$size="345"; use Digest::SHA1 qw(sha1);;use MIME::Base64;$size=length $file; print encode_base64(sha1("$file$size"))."\n".encode_base64(sha1("$size$file"))."\n";'
Nov 30 12:37:55 <fnord_> dJY9makirYpmbpDFqj6jO8kc6PI=
Nov 30 12:37:57 <fnord_> zs8fILM3HMvEyZYnnc97OsSDVC4=
Nov 30 12:38:03 <fnord_> Gary|tp, not that dumb :P
Nov 30 12:38:30 <fnord_> Wait. I'm dumb too, hold on
Nov 30 12:38:52 <fnord_> 2Yjq1VGR0BHqlX6eWI5iJjwhqAE=
Nov 30 12:38:52 <fnord_> dOdw+4qE2zPhxslcDIs0PlPs5EQ=
Nov 30 12:38:53 <fnord_> yeah
Nov 30 12:41:54 <fnord_> [0:1][Kyf@winxp2:tty0]/home/Kyf/_g1_/rc30% perl -e 'binmode STDIN;($file)=<STDIN>; use Digest::SHA1 qw(sha1);;use MIME::Base64; print encode_base64(sha1("$file$size"))."\n".encode_base64(sha1("$file"))."\n";' < system/framework/input.jar
Nov 30 12:41:54 <fnord_> kzkNXsPTfG1UZl2eB01IelVFqOQ=
Nov 30 12:46:00 <Gary|tp> fnord_: that should have printed two lines :P ?
Nov 30 12:46:22 <fnord_> I didn't paste the second one
Nov 30 12:46:24 <Gary|tp> and would $file be the name or the actual contents (I don't know perl)
Nov 30 12:46:32 <fnord_> kzkNXsPTfG1UZl2eB01IelVFqOQ= there ya go
Nov 30 12:46:42 <Gary|tp> that's the one you posted before
Nov 30 12:47:00 <fnord_> The second script is base64 sha1 of the actual file's contents
Nov 30 12:47:34 <fnord_> So yeah, not as easy as one would think :P
Nov 30 12:47:54 <Gary|tp> okay you're not making sense
Nov 30 12:48:00 <Gary|tp> [06:41] <fnord_> [0:1][Kyf@winxp2:tty0]/home/Kyf/_g1_/rc30% perl -e 'binmode STDIN;($file)=<STDIN>; use Digest::SHA1 qw(sha1);;use MIME::Base64; print encode_base64(sha1("$file$size"))."\n".encode_base64(sha1("$file"))."\n";' < system/framework/input.jar
Nov 30 12:48:04 <Gary|tp> should print two lines
Nov 30 12:48:06 <Gary|tp> you've only pasted one
Nov 30 12:48:19 <fnord_> <fnord_> I didn't paste the second one
Nov 30 12:48:22 <Gary|tp> and is $file the file name or file contents
Nov 30 12:48:23 <fnord_> Indeed :P
Nov 30 12:48:33 <fnord_> contents
Nov 30 12:48:48 <Gary|tp> so
Nov 30 12:48:58 <Gary|tp> which one is kzkNXsPTfG1UZl2eB01IelVFqOQ=
Nov 30 12:49:03 <Gary|tp> $file or $file$size?
Nov 30 12:49:29 <fnord_> $size was nothing, so they're the same
Nov 30 12:49:54 <Gary|tp> okay, so I was right :P
Nov 30 12:49:55 <Gary|tp> thanks
Nov 30 12:50:12 <fnord_> That was a case of me just not removing extra crud after rewriting the script :P
Nov 30 12:50:24 <Gary|tp> yeah, heh
Nov 30 12:51:10 * fnord_ can't get a build of perl smaller than 1.3 megs =[
Nov 30 12:51:41 <fnord_> I was hoping to include microperl in a modified recovery image, to do post-install stuff, but yeh
Nov 30 13:29:24 <cjordan> hi
Nov 30 13:29:43 <Leeds> I've decided I'd like to see the LED blinking when I'm doing data transfer over mounted USB... because treating my phone as a very very expensive microSD card reader seems sensible :-)
Nov 30 13:35:52 <Gary|tp> lol
Nov 30 14:23:58 <pluto79> hi everyone, i have the g1 and i am using it with a local german sim card. i have an issue with the SMSC, getting over 50sms because there is a wrong smsc hardcoded
Nov 30 14:24:37 <pluto79> my question, where can i change the SMSC ?, do i need some app from the market because i could not find it in the os
Nov 30 14:25:32 <pluto79> hopefully someone can give me a hint, i am looking for this fix since one week
Nov 30 14:26:52 <pluto79> and  sorry for my english
Nov 30 14:30:28 <pluto79> is it possible to change the smsc via AT commands ?
Nov 30 15:13:02 <Dialekt> maybe i should go android
Nov 30 15:13:06 <Dialekt> but what's so good/bad about it?
Nov 30 15:17:56 <budwaa> anyone know where I can find docs on how to disable/enable system settings in android. Like if i wanted to turn wifi off etc/
Nov 30 15:30:25 <savid> How do I make a view that looks like a dialog box that blurs out the background?  I want to make this the main view of my application...
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Nov 30 15:46:52 <budwaa> how do I access methods from a static object like android.content.Context;
Nov 30 15:47:24 <budwaa> I want to use Context.getSystemService(Context.WIFI_SERVICE) to create a wifimanager object
Nov 30 15:48:02 <budwaa> Maybe i need an instance of Context but it has no constructor method...
Nov 30 15:48:31 <jbq> There are context objects easily available. Activity is a Context, as well as Service. And IIRC a Context is passed as a parameter in a Receiver's onReceive().
Nov 30 15:49:16 <budwaa> So i could do this.getSystemService from onCreate?
Nov 30 15:49:37 <budwaa> I just was to write a simple app to get wifi state and display it.
Nov 30 15:49:41 <budwaa> want*
Nov 30 15:50:36 <jbq> budwaa: I believe so, yes.
Nov 30 15:55:18 <budwaa> jbq the app crashes when i try and access the wifiManager object.
Nov 30 15:55:51 <jbq> budwaa: sadly I don't know the details of the wifi manager (and I specifically do not know whether apps are allowed to access it).
Nov 30 15:56:24 <jbq> Sorry I've got to go, plenty of stuff to do...
Nov 30 15:56:27 <budwaa> ah, ok
Nov 30 15:56:33 <bert0>  is there any way to listen to flac files on android?
Nov 30 15:58:14 <mikey|> budwaa: what exception does it throw?
Nov 30 16:00:28 <mikey|> bbl
Nov 30 16:01:34 <budwaa> mikey|: Trying to work out an easy way to display the message...Im not yet too familiar with android, cant use the debugger yet either :D
Nov 30 16:06:21 <infernix> hm
Nov 30 16:06:37 <infernix> there's no way to figure out the firmware version without signing into a google account, is there?
Nov 30 16:13:03 <mikey|> budwaa: go to settings->apps->development->usb debugging
Nov 30 16:14:00 <mikey|> then install the driver and it should show Log messages in the logcat window
Nov 30 16:19:15 <budwaa> mikey|: ive been using the emulator to test.
Nov 30 16:20:09 <mikey|> switch to ddms view when running the app on the emulator and look at the logcat tab
Nov 30 16:20:14 <mikey|> or add it if it isnt there
Nov 30 16:27:28 <budwaa> mikey|: can i print to the logcaT?
Nov 30 16:28:24 <mikey|> yeah, check android log class
Nov 30 16:28:26 <budwaa> mikey|: I think its a security issue. Dont haver permission
Nov 30 16:28:34 <budwaa> 11-30 16:24:19.007: ERROR/AndroidRuntime(285): Caused by: java.lang.SecurityException: WifiService: Neither user 10017 nor current process has android.permission.ACCESS_WIFI_STATE.
Nov 30 16:28:48 <mikey|> you need to add that to androidManifest.xml
Nov 30 16:29:26 <mikey|> why cant i send text messages from my g1? o.o
Nov 30 16:29:30 <mikey|> every message fails
Nov 30 16:29:55 <snadge> thats about the only thing i can do with my g1 ;)
Nov 30 16:29:59 <Disconnect> reboot it. mine goes crappy that way too periodically.
Nov 30 16:30:12 <budwaa> anyone elses desktop icons dissapear sometimes?
Nov 30 16:30:33 <snadge> i want to know how to register with google.. without usin ga t-mobile sim
Nov 30 16:31:03 <snadge> i have someone elses email address on mine :/
Nov 30 16:31:11 <snadge> the lady who sold it to me
Nov 30 16:32:02 <snadge> someone on here mentioned its possible
Nov 30 16:32:40 <mikey|> ok, still cant send it, post reboot
Nov 30 16:33:32 <Disconnect> snadge: http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=g1+activate+without+tmobile+sim
Nov 30 16:34:13 <Disconnect> mikey|: reword it maybe. not sure whats going on. (although if you are near a pc, hit it with logcat and see whats happening. it always bites me when i'm on the road and need to send -now-)
Nov 30 16:34:35 <mikey|> just when teh food arrives :(
Nov 30 16:34:54 * Disconnect wasn't able to send one until he removed "dumb bitch" although that may have been coincidental :/
Nov 30 16:35:30 <mikey|> well, mine has a url in it
Nov 30 16:35:36 <mikey|> my mate wanted to see my presentation
Nov 30 16:36:07 <mikey|> so i wrote go to http://some-long-address...../File.swf (match file case)
Nov 30 16:36:53 <Disconnect> dunno. i know it doesn't work on occasion and then works on others. maybe try emailing :/
Nov 30 16:37:15 <mikey|> why is it some people use something like this in their code: int foo = 0x01acdd
Nov 30 16:37:31 <mikey|> why hex instead of a proper int?
Nov 30 16:37:54 <Disconnect> depends on what you are doing with it.
Nov 30 16:38:08 <Disconnect> bitmasks are much easier in hex, for example.
Nov 30 16:38:24 <mikey|> this is from connectbot: public static final int pref_scrollback=0x7f07003c;
Nov 30 16:42:12 <mikey|> nothing logcat that says my sms didnt go through
Nov 30 16:45:06 <mikey|> o.o, started a new message, still no luck :|
Nov 30 16:47:06 <offby1> I think Eclipse generates hex constants in certain places
Nov 30 16:49:29 <mikey|> does anyone have the link for t-mobile to send network settings via sms?
Nov 30 16:49:43 <mikey|> i'm pretty sure i've used it before but cant it now
Nov 30 16:51:29 * offby1 stares blankly
Nov 30 17:03:54 <savid> Does anyone know if it's possible to have a dialog as the main activity?  ie, I want the main app to just look like a normal dialog window
Nov 30 17:10:34 <TiberiumX> I don't know if you can do that, but why do you want to?  That doesn't sound like a very good UI decision.  Dialogs should look distinct from main application windows.
Nov 30 17:11:36 <SplasPood> Anyone happen to know if/how the PATH can be set for Term.apk sessions?
Nov 30 17:11:50 <SplasPood> automatically, I mean
Nov 30 17:12:35 <ttuttle> savid: Doesn't Voice Dialer sorta do that?
Nov 30 17:13:17 <JonnyB> hi.
Nov 30 17:14:29 <JonnyB> Does anyone know if there has been a solution to the inability to delete mail from the trash on the pop3 email program?
Nov 30 17:14:57 <savid> ttuttle, hmm.. haven't used voice dialer yet..   How do I bring up the voice dialer?
Nov 30 17:21:10 <mastermindjon> Hey, everyone.
Nov 30 17:21:24 <mikey|> well, t mob sent me the sms settings, works fine now :)
Nov 30 17:22:19 <mastermindjon> Anyone else trying out this client via android-unleashed?
Nov 30 17:22:44 <d03boy> can you be more specific
Nov 30 17:23:06 * mikey| is thinking of modding the g1 email app to ignore invalid ssl certs :|
Nov 30 17:23:26 <mikey|> use TLS if available doesn't sound very secure and i dont have the software to test if it's encrypted
Nov 30 17:23:46 <mastermindjon> android-unleashed.com has a post that has an embedded irc from mibbit.com. Just wondering if anyone else is using the chat that way.
Nov 30 17:24:03 <d03boy> yes. Some people use that.
Nov 30 17:24:09 <d03boy> does that answer your question?
Nov 30 17:25:01 <mastermindjon> Kinda. I asked that to ask if anyone has tried to tether their G1? Since I found the HowTo here.
Nov 30 17:25:22 <d03boy> I have a Button with height set to "wrap_content" but when I put it in a Horizontal Linear Layout, it gets cut off because of the weight differences on the outer Vertical Linear Layout
Nov 30 17:25:55 <d03boy> mastermindjon, someone has successfully tethered their G1
Nov 30 17:26:48 <mastermindjon> I figured ^_^ Just needing a bit of help, if anyone here has had success. I'm about halfway through doing it.
Nov 30 17:27:10 <d03boy> might as well jump directly to your question instead of beating around the bush
Nov 30 17:27:18 <ttuttle> savid: it's in apps, or you can hold the green phone button for a couple seconds.
Nov 30 17:28:18 <mastermindjon> True.
Nov 30 17:29:38 <mastermindjon> Anyone able to help with problems tethering? I'm having issues getting Eclipse to work with the ADT.
Nov 30 17:30:47 <d03boy> ...getting closer. Now you just need to say what kind of issues you're having...
Nov 30 17:31:03 <savid> ttuttle, cool, thanks
Nov 30 17:31:48 <snadge> i cant even figure out how to get my g1 to tell me what day of the week it is.. eg friday, monday etc
Nov 30 17:32:13 <mastermindjon> i'm using Eclipse Ganymede, and when I go into the prefs to set the directory for the Android settings, it won't accept the SDK directory.
Nov 30 17:32:47 <mastermindjon> Just gives a general error that it can't find the tools it's looking for.
Nov 30 17:32:49 <offby1> huh, I managed ... and I'd never used Eclipse before
Nov 30 17:33:01 <offby1> not that that helps you any.
Nov 30 17:33:26 <d03boy> mastermindjon, whats the name of your android directory
Nov 30 17:33:40 <mastermindjon> Hell, I'll do whatever you did if it works. I've never used Eclipse either, just followin' the steps I had.
Nov 30 17:35:51 <mikey|> what happened to android.text.util.Regex ?
Nov 30 17:36:46 <mastermindjon> i can't remember the path. don't have my laptop here. if that's what you mean.
Nov 30 17:36:48 <snadge> can the g1 run skype or tomtom?
Nov 30 17:37:08 <mastermindjon> I'm kinda running blind on the whole thing.
Nov 30 17:38:09 <mastermindjon> I was mostly just wondering if it was a common thing.
Nov 30 17:38:26 <snadge> or is google going to add voice directions to their navigating software
Nov 30 17:44:14 <mastermindjon> Actually, I'm gonna try something else with it. How can I get to the command line input?
Nov 30 17:45:33 <infernix> mastermindjon: don't need eclipse for tetherig
Nov 30 17:45:36 <infernix> *tethering
Nov 30 17:46:25 <mastermindjon> Great. Open for anything. What should I do?
Nov 30 17:46:26 <infernix> snadge: skype presumably though iSkoot, havent tried though. No TomTom until they port it
Nov 30 17:47:08 <infernix> mastermindjon: http://graha.ms/androidproxy/
Nov 30 17:47:25 <mastermindjon> Thanks.
Nov 30 17:47:47 <infernix> it rather sucks though. if you have root there are better ways
Nov 30 17:48:18 <d03boy> can anyone tell me how weights work?
Nov 30 17:48:58 <Disconnect> mikey|: fyi "use tls" and "use ssl" requires valid certs. no mods needed.
Nov 30 17:49:15 <infernix> mikey|: there is already a fork of the g1 email app. its called K-9, is in market, #k-9 right here on freenode
Nov 30 17:49:22 <mikey|> heh
Nov 30 17:49:35 <infernix> :)
Nov 30 17:49:37 <mikey|> sweeett
Nov 30 17:49:40 * mikey| installs
Nov 30 17:49:52 <mastermindjon> Those are the instructions I had, actually. The Android SDK is where I was lead to Eclipse. Am I way off?
Nov 30 17:49:54 <KNY> it's a shame K-9 can't import from Email.apk
Nov 30 17:50:12 <infernix> mastermindjon: just download, unpack, then use 'adb' thats in it.
Nov 30 17:50:17 <infernix> no need to use eclipse
Nov 30 17:50:19 <Disconnect> KNY: that wouldn't be secure.
Nov 30 17:50:23 <Disconnect> :(
Nov 30 17:50:39 <KNY> Disconnect, yeah I know, but from an end-user, I don't want to have to enter all my crap again ;)
Nov 30 17:50:50 * Disconnect is a big fan of "its secure if the user says it is ok" but then again, goog has shown that security is more about them than about the users.
Nov 30 17:51:06 <mastermindjon> when I do to launch 'adb', it pops the command prompt, runs some lines faster than I can see, then it closes.
Nov 30 17:51:11 <KNY> yeah, it should have a gksu-ish system
Nov 30 17:51:16 <Disconnect> mastermindjon: its a commandline app
Nov 30 17:51:35 <KNY> ("it" being Android)
Nov 30 17:52:09 <snadge> at least google errors on the side of security, rather than the side of convenience
Nov 30 17:52:11 <Disconnect> KNY: and/or temporary/revokable perms. but a reasonable security policy would make way too much sense.
Nov 30 17:52:30 <Disconnect> snadge: hahahaha.
Nov 30 17:52:34 <snadge> if you want convenient pwnage.. theres winmo for that
Nov 30 17:52:36 <mikey|> Disconnect: k-9 doesnt allow it either
Nov 30 17:52:44 <mikey|> connect to self signed email cert servers
Nov 30 17:52:52 <infernix> mikey|: sure does
Nov 30 17:52:53 <infernix> works fine hre.
Nov 30 17:52:58 <infernix> running courier imap self signed
Nov 30 17:53:10 <mikey|> i chose use tls (always) and it says cant connected, untrusted
Nov 30 17:53:11 <mastermindjon> Yeah, but it closes without me having the ability to enter commands. Unless I'm doing something grossly wrong. Also likely. XD
Nov 30 17:53:14 <mikey|> or something to that effect
Nov 30 17:53:23 <infernix> mikey|: use the "when available". it'll do SSL
Nov 30 17:53:32 <snadge> on an unrelated note.. does anyone know where to get an asus eee pc, s101 model?
Nov 30 17:53:43 <d03boy> froogle.com
Nov 30 17:53:53 <KNY> ebay.com
Nov 30 17:53:57 <Disconnect> amazon
Nov 30 17:53:59 <d03boy> bonerjams03.com
Nov 30 17:54:01 <Disconnect> google
Nov 30 17:54:12 <Disconnect> woot, occasionally
Nov 30 17:54:39 <KNY> http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=asus+eee+pc+s101
Nov 30 17:54:55 <KNY> :)
Nov 30 17:55:02 <Disconnect> needs www
Nov 30 17:55:12 <Disconnect> nevermind. must have been broken yesterday
Nov 30 17:55:14 <KNY> Disconnect, works fine here
Nov 30 17:55:17 <KNY> heh
Nov 30 17:55:19 <d03boy> http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=Does+shamwow+really+absorb+dogs%3F
Nov 30 17:55:22 <snadge> i've obviously been looking in the right places.. im kinda looking for a walk in store, and one that sells the s101 with linux
Nov 30 17:55:51 <snadge> they all seem to assume you want windows xp for some bizarre reason
Nov 30 17:56:04 <d03boy> take winxp off..... then put lunix on
Nov 30 17:56:11 <offby1> snadge: but everyone wants XP :)
Nov 30 17:56:22 <KNY> snadge, get the WinXP one and get a refund for XP, then put linux on
Nov 30 17:58:25 <d03boy> for some reason I have a titlebar on my app. How do I ditch that mofo?
Nov 30 17:58:40 <KNY> requestWindowFeature(Window.FEATURE_NO_TITLE);
Nov 30 17:59:02 <KNY> in your onCreate
Nov 30 17:59:17 <d03boy> thank you kind sir/maam
Nov 30 17:59:21 <KNY> sir
Nov 30 17:59:55 <snadge> i thought of that kny.. but i want to contribute to the sales statistics that say that i want linux
Nov 30 18:00:05 <Disconnect> then order it online.
Nov 30 18:00:11 <snadge> and i dont want to give microsoft even the temporary pleasure of thinking they've sold a copy of windows ;)
Nov 30 18:00:13 <Disconnect> deal with "omg it will take a whole TWO DAYS"
Nov 30 18:00:14 <KNY> snadge, yeah, but it'd be better than nothing
Nov 30 18:00:41 <Disconnect> order it online, then hold your breath until it arrives.
Nov 30 18:01:01 <snadge> 2 days? cool.. i'll do that when im in LA
Nov 30 18:01:12 <snadge> im staying in a hotel thats all.. kinda dodgy to order it online
Nov 30 18:01:26 <Disconnect> ...use ssl.
Nov 30 18:01:41 <snadge> its more posting something to a hotel.. that im only going to be at for 6 days :P
Nov 30 18:04:11 <Disconnect> so order it to be overnighted, and if it doesn't ship in time cancel/change the address. and hold your breath. :)
Nov 30 18:04:13 <d03boy> KNY, for some reason that crashed my program. Not sure why
Nov 30 18:04:44 <snadge> amazon or newegg didnt seem to have a linux option :/
Nov 30 18:05:06 <snadge> these companies really dont make it easy to sell something.. i suppose thats my fault for not wanting windows
Nov 30 18:05:38 <snadge> i dont really get it.. i have the money burning a hole in my pocket, and they're not making it easy to part with it ;)
Nov 30 18:06:44 <KNY> d03boy, what does `adb logcat` give you?
Nov 30 18:08:01 <d03boy> hmm
Nov 30 18:08:09 <KNY> (d03boy, what I meant is what does it give you that's relevant?)
Nov 30 18:08:49 <d03boy> requestFeature() must be called before adding content
Nov 30 18:09:01 <d03boy> :)
Nov 30 18:09:09 <KNY> you have to do it just after super.onCreate(savedInstanceState)
Nov 30 18:09:14 <KNY> before you setContentView()
Nov 30 18:09:30 <d03boy> excellent
Nov 30 18:10:07 <d03boy> works beautifully now
Nov 30 18:10:20 <KNY> great
Nov 30 18:16:59 <mikey|> i know the line of code that stops it from connecting to a self signed cert server when using "use ssl always", but some of the source code is missing from the git repo and the k9 client src
Nov 30 18:17:31 <mikey|> some of the apache stuff and android.text.utils.regex
Nov 30 18:18:41 <Disconnect> just do it right - get it signed at (eg) cacert.org and add their toplevel to the keystore
Nov 30 18:18:56 <mikey|> how do i add it to the keystore?
Nov 30 18:19:59 <Disconnect> lemme find the link
Nov 30 18:20:56 <Disconnect> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1016#c19 worked for me
Nov 30 18:21:23 <Disconnect> there is a better link somewhere but that should get you started
Nov 30 18:23:11 <mikey|> i dont have the root-able version of the firmware :|
Nov 30 18:23:40 <Disconnect> then you need to figure some way of implementing your own keystore. or just give up and use ssl instead of tls.
Nov 30 18:24:02 <Disconnect> the "right answer" is the private keystore that compares the key. but..
Nov 30 18:25:52 <mikey|> might just have to fork the mail client myself
Nov 30 18:26:11 <mikey|> seeing as there's no alternative atm to getting a proper signed cert
Nov 30 18:26:31 <Disconnect> ssl if available instaed of tls. it'll at least ensure its encrypted.
Nov 30 18:26:55 <mikey|> alright, leeme try with ssl
Nov 30 18:27:13 <Disconnect> doesn't protect against MITM but .. you know.. self-signed certs aren't "secure"
Nov 30 18:27:23 <Disconnect> (except they are, if they are cached and verified)
Nov 30 18:29:30 <d03boy> anyone notoice this huge bug(?) eclipse has in the XML editor. If you type android:id or whatever, it wont do the completion
Nov 30 18:29:36 <d03boy> unless you backspace to the beginning of the line
Nov 30 18:29:39 <Disconnect> sometimes it does.
Nov 30 18:29:45 <Disconnect> but that editor is a disaster.
Nov 30 18:29:53 <d03boy> because it doesnt consider the word "android" in its check
Nov 30 18:30:27 <Disconnect> show the preview, then go back to the text editor and start entering xml by hand. chances are good that pretty soon it'll suck down all your available ram (over 2 gigs here) and die.
Nov 30 18:30:41 <d03boy> yeah. It's been doing that
Nov 30 18:30:49 <d03boy> i'm extremely disappointed with how Eclipse is running lately
Nov 30 18:31:00 <d03boy> whether or nots its eclipse's fault.. who knows/cares
Nov 30 18:33:22 <weilawei> wheeee irssi + connectbot
Nov 30 18:33:41 <Lunch> Does the image on a standard Button have margins? even by setting the margins to 0 I still can't get two buttons to be right next to eachother.
Nov 30 18:34:04 <d03boy> padding 0 also?
Nov 30 18:34:38 <Lunch> yes, padding also zero
Nov 30 18:37:02 <Lunch> even setting it to fill_parent I can't get the two buttons to be next to oneanother
Nov 30 18:45:10 <budwaa> im not getting a notification of usb connection any more. Where do i mount the sd card for access by the pc?
Nov 30 18:45:33 <offby1> :-(
Nov 30 18:45:50 <offby1> that behavior changed on or around R30
Nov 30 18:45:54 <d03boy> Lunch, do you have it in a linear layout
Nov 30 18:46:28 <Lunch> d03boy, right now in relative layout
Nov 30 18:49:17 <Lunch> I get the same results in LinearLayout, RelativeLayout and GridView
Nov 30 18:49:55 <d03boy> not sure
Nov 30 18:49:57 <d03boy> im newb
Nov 30 18:50:16 <budwaa> Whats the easiest way to get an app ive made onto my phone?
Nov 30 18:50:32 <Lunch> budwaa, using exclipse?
Nov 30 18:50:35 <Lunch> eclipse
Nov 30 18:51:06 <budwaa> yep
Nov 30 18:51:20 <Lunch> http://code.google.com/android/intro/develop-and-debug.html#developingondevicehardware
Nov 30 18:51:32 <budwaa> http://code.google.com/android/intro/develop-and-debug.html#developingondevicehardware
Nov 30 18:51:36 <budwaa> lol oops
Nov 30 18:51:42 <budwaa> thanks
Nov 30 18:51:45 <Lunch> yw
Nov 30 18:57:02 <d03boy> alright. I have my layout working. Now what?
Nov 30 18:57:45 <d03boy> how can I do event handling
Nov 30 18:58:04 <Lieutenant> damn were u up all night?
Nov 30 18:58:09 <d03boy> no
Nov 30 18:58:15 <d03boy> went to sleep at 5am and got up around 11
Nov 30 18:58:44 <Lieutenant> oh lol
Nov 30 18:58:55 <Lieutenant> i went to sleep at 4, woke up at 1 :(
Nov 30 18:58:56 <budwaa> I want to check wifi state but i get a permission exception when using wifimanager.getwifistate. Is there another means to do this?
Nov 30 18:59:37 <TiberiumX> Add the permission that it's complaining about to your manifest?
Nov 30 19:00:02 <Disconnect> budwaa: yah that was already answered for you a couple hours ago
Nov 30 19:00:19 <d03boy> I have one Activity and it has an input field that I need to catch events on
Nov 30 19:01:11 <budwaa> Went for dinner :d
Nov 30 19:04:21 <DarkriftX> does the market have a way to see the latest stuff?
Nov 30 19:06:07 <d03boy> waht's an intent for/
Nov 30 19:06:13 <d03boy> that is an event?
Nov 30 19:08:38 <mikey|> DarkriftX: the date tab?
Nov 30 19:08:46 <DarkriftX> i just found that lol
Nov 30 19:09:05 <DarkriftX> i thought i had seen it but couldnt find it (thought it was on the main screen)
Nov 30 19:09:19 <mikey|> this heater is borked :(
Nov 30 19:10:37 <budwaa> Ive added a permission to my AndroidManifest.xml but its giving the same error. IVe set the name to the permission given by the exception..
Nov 30 19:11:01 <d03boy> nooooooooooooo
Nov 30 19:11:34 <mikey|> did you put the permission after </application> budwaa ?
Nov 30 19:12:05 <budwaa> 
Nov 30 19:12:37 <budwaa> <permission android:name="android.permission.ACCESS_WIFI_STATE"></permission>
Nov 30 19:13:10 <budwaa> and yes, it seems it has. Although i did it through the gui
Nov 30 19:13:39 <budwaa> Is that how its supposed to be?
Nov 30 19:16:40 <mikey|> seems like it, yeah
Nov 30 19:16:54 <mikey|> pastebin your code, lets have a look at it :)
Nov 30 19:17:14 <budwaa> maybe it should be uses-permission
Nov 30 19:17:30 <mikey|> ahh, yeah, try that
Nov 30 19:17:34 <Disconnect> is findViewById expensive? cuz its taking -forever- to pick up 4 edittexts :(
Nov 30 19:18:02 <budwaa> bingo :D
Nov 30 19:18:34 <mikey|> never been slow for me Disconnect, but then again, i havent coded much for android :p
Nov 30 19:20:16 <Disconnect> there was other code in there. looks like my db adapter is taking forever to init. thats still annoying (2 seconds??) but more reasonable :)
Nov 30 19:21:30 <d03boy> where are the good tutorials that describe how to use an intent/activity/etc
Nov 30 19:22:49 <mikey|> androidguys.com is quite good imo
Nov 30 19:25:37 <Disconnect> wagghhfh. its setcontentview thats sucking down 2 seconds. :(
Nov 30 19:26:11 <Disconnect> http://pastebin.ca/1271293
Nov 30 19:26:57 <budwaa> Im liking android :D
Nov 30 19:27:59 <Disconnect> fills.xml is just a pile of linearlayouts with a scrollview and a single relativeview
Nov 30 19:28:18 <budwaa> What would the 3g connection come under?
Nov 30 19:45:05 * IznastY - [ is away ] [ Reason: Activate IdleAway: 300 min ] [ Time: 22:44:55 ] [ Pager: on ] [ Log: on ]
Nov 30 19:45:57 <DarkriftX> is the opera browser even decent compared to the "browser" ?
Nov 30 19:46:20 <Disconnect> can someone ban IznastY? he has literally only ever said one thing. "<IznastY!n=enforcer@cpe-24-193-139-60.nyc.res.rr.com> [20:05] Damm: didnt realize public away was on"
Nov 30 19:47:02 <IznastY> hey
Nov 30 19:47:14 <Damm> DarkriftX, totally decent.
Nov 30 19:47:25 <IznastY> i thought i turned shit off
Nov 30 19:47:26 <Damm> IznastY, can you please turn that shit off now?
Nov 30 19:47:40 <DarkriftX> i read soemwhere that the opera browser was a flop because android already had a good browser
Nov 30 19:47:43 <DarkriftX> so wasnt sure
Nov 30 19:47:53 <offby1> Disconnect: I've just /ignored him/her/it
Nov 30 19:48:08 <IznastY> im trying hold on
Nov 30 19:48:26 <Damm> DarkriftX, that's opinion pretty much.  It handles BBC and CNN just fine
Nov 30 19:48:31 <IznastY> blah, i'll just use a reg irc client
Nov 30 19:48:48 <Damm> I prefer Opera Mobile to the "Webkit" Browser for sites like BBC
Nov 30 19:49:34 <Damm> and the javascript support is better in Opera Mobile then in the browser.
Nov 30 19:49:56 <Damm> I can login to my bank and do stuff with it, where as the regular browser will randomly disconnect me
Nov 30 19:52:39 <andyross> Damm: are you sure the BBC isn't handling Opera specially?  My experience has been almost exactly the opposite: AJAX sites fail routinely in Opera, where the G1 usually handles them fine as long as the layout doesn't break.
Nov 30 19:55:32 <Damm> andyross, quite possible.
Nov 30 19:55:39 <Disconnect> opera mini does a couple of things afair. it does special rendering and lots of sites handle it specially.
Nov 30 19:56:21 <Disconnect> yah they use proxies for everything. its even on the feature page.
Nov 30 19:56:35 <DarkriftX> wow, android browser with text size set to tiny shows webpages almost normally
Nov 30 19:57:21 <Damm> andyross, however my bank is completely seperate.
Nov 30 19:58:01 <d03boy> alright people. I've made my layout. Now I need to figure out what these Intent and Activity things are
Nov 30 19:58:08 <Disconnect> Damm: probably the bank dislikes ip changes. with opera mini using proxies, one ip.
Nov 30 19:58:09 <d03boy> hook a brotha up
Nov 30 19:58:37 <Disconnect> d03boy: go through the docs and tutorials.
Nov 30 19:58:41 <Damm> Disconnect, for sure.
Nov 30 19:58:46 <Disconnect> i think you're looking for activity lifecycle first
Nov 30 19:59:37 <DarkriftX> sounds like your irc client is getting close d03boy
Nov 30 19:59:41 <DarkriftX> you going to charge for it?
Nov 30 19:59:48 <d03boy> $0
Nov 30 19:59:53 <DarkriftX> nice
Nov 30 20:00:32 <Disconnect> anyone have info for debugging slow setcontentview? its eating up 2 seconds :(
Nov 30 20:00:46 <DarkriftX> wtf
Nov 30 20:00:59 <DarkriftX> it joined using my wifi and my 3g :S
Nov 30 20:01:05 <DarkriftX> im guessing that is a bug
Nov 30 20:01:12 <Disconnect> huh?
Nov 30 20:01:16 <droidri0> fdjfdj
Nov 30 20:01:28 <DarkriftX> * droidrift (n=darkrift@m480436d0.tmodns.net) has joined #android
Nov 30 20:01:28 <DarkriftX> * droidri0 (n=darkrift@ip68-104-161-224.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #android
Nov 30 20:01:36 <d03boy> haha
Nov 30 20:01:42 <DarkriftX> those are both me, same client but it connected once using each connection :S
Nov 30 20:03:02 <DarkriftX> there doesnt appear to be a way to exit that irc app :s
Nov 30 20:03:04 <d03boy> I once saw some video tutorials but cant find them now
Nov 30 20:03:19 <DarkriftX> oh lol
Nov 30 20:03:25 * DarkriftX found it, in the menu :S
Nov 30 20:09:57 <TiberiumX> Anyone know if I can send a file:// URI to the video player application?
Nov 30 20:10:25 <TiberiumX> Or otherwise force it to play a specific file.
Nov 30 20:10:44 <Lieutenant> hey has anyone seen that "gears" option in the browser? is that something similart to firefox addons? how come nobody has started creating "gears" for the browser?
Nov 30 20:11:34 <TiberiumX> Maybe the API for it isn't there yet.  Seems like Google has ripped a lot of stuff out that wasn't ready at launch time.  Where are my home screen widgets?
Nov 30 20:12:21 <Lieutenant> oh, i see. well google better hurry up and deliver all the features we should have.
Nov 30 20:12:24 <Disconnect> wow. no change even when I convert to a simple tableview :(
Nov 30 20:12:36 <Disconnect> what would cause my app to spend 1.5 seconds inside setcontentview?
Nov 30 20:13:36 <Lunch> how complicated is the view?
Nov 30 20:14:41 <Disconnect> not very. :/ simplified it even further. linear < scroll < table < 6x row textview edittext /table> /scroll> <linear 2x buttons >
Nov 30 20:15:10 <TiberiumX> Try loading a mostly empty view and see what happens.  Could at least then know if you should be looking at a layout problem or not.
Nov 30 20:15:40 <Disconnect> yah. :/ i'm seeing http://pastebin.ca/1271293 with the current view
Nov 30 20:16:01 <Disconnect> (same with the debug tracing missing - unfortunately, traceview won't run on any of my boxes :( ..)
Nov 30 20:18:21 <Disconnect> hmm. reducing the rows to 4 dropped it down to .75 seconds. so thats probably close enough. except i need the extra rows :/
Nov 30 20:19:06 <TiberiumX> How are you adding the rows?
Nov 30 20:19:15 <Disconnect> all via xml
Nov 30 20:20:55 <budwaa> is their an equivalent of android.net.wifimanager for the 3g connection?
Nov 30 20:21:33 <Damm> i assume so
Nov 30 20:21:39 <Damm> since i've seen an app that shuts off 3g
Nov 30 20:22:05 <budwaa> oh, what app?
Nov 30 20:22:24 <budwaa> Is that its function or it has some other purpose?
Nov 30 20:23:36 <mikey|> wtf is web n walk? is that like web browsing with fup?
Nov 30 20:23:48 <mikey|> over the t mob network
Nov 30 20:25:00 <budwaa> yeah
Nov 30 20:25:11 <budwaa> its the name for their data package
Nov 30 20:25:22 <budwaa> Might include wifi ap's too..not sure.
Nov 30 20:29:07 <Disconnect> ok now i'm confused. on the device the smaller layout displays pretty quick. but there is a good solid 1.5 second delay between the end of my oncreate and the activitymanager saying "displayed activity"
Nov 30 20:29:33 <TiberiumX> Loading the home screen takes a really long time after pressing the home button.  I don't recall this issue before RC30.  Anyone else share this experience?
Nov 30 20:29:36 <Disconnect> displays quick as in it tears through the oncreate function without any major delays
Nov 30 20:29:45 <Disconnect> TiberiumX: its about having apps installed.
Nov 30 20:29:57 <Disconnect> TiberiumX: if you uninstall them all, it'll be moderately quick again :(
Nov 30 20:30:29 <TiberiumX> That's strange.  Preloading the icons in the pull-up application list?
Nov 30 20:30:39 <mikey|> TiberiumX: i've only had that problem when i had lots of browser windows open and i navigate back home
Nov 30 20:31:57 <TiberiumX> I'll try paring down my installed applications and see what happens.
Nov 30 20:34:01 <budwaa> TiberiumX: do you get the home screen with no icons?
Nov 30 20:34:14 <TiberiumX> Yeah.
Nov 30 20:34:26 <budwaa> same
Nov 30 20:34:36 <jasta> thats because home is restarting itself.
Nov 30 20:34:47 <budwaa> IS it some memory saving thing?
Nov 30 20:34:51 <mikey|> i managed to crash the home process somehow
Nov 30 20:34:51 <TiberiumX> And being really slow about it.
Nov 30 20:35:04 <jasta> budwaa: yes, the platform has killed Home to get more memory for whtaever other apps you have floating around
Nov 30 20:35:15 <mikey|> or i think it stopped responding
Nov 30 20:35:17 <budwaa> I see
Nov 30 20:35:17 <jasta> and Home just so ahppens to startup very slowly
Nov 30 20:35:21 <mikey|> but then i pressed wait, and it recovered
Nov 30 20:35:24 <TiberiumX> Too bad you can't set a priority for various applications.
Nov 30 20:35:27 <jasta> so one thing you can look at is why Home needs to be killed in the first place
Nov 30 20:35:29 <TiberiumX> I'd rather it kill home last.
Nov 30 20:35:31 <budwaa> Gotta load pictures icons etc..
Nov 30 20:35:39 <jasta> budwaa: you could check adb shell dumpsys activity | grep oom_adj and see if anything has a lower oom_adj than Home
Nov 30 20:35:43 <jasta> maybe some busted app you installed
Nov 30 20:35:56 <budwaa> yeah...
Nov 30 20:36:05 <budwaa> ill have a cleanup
Nov 30 20:36:09 <jasta> also, the browser tends to be a major memory hog, and so running it with many windows or even on certain pages will take up all the phones available memory and android will start reaping
Nov 30 20:36:29 <mikey|> i love the multi window feature of the browser <3
Nov 30 20:36:46 <jasta> but in my case, i found that my home app was restarted often because my app was coded in such a way to have a lower oom_adj than Home, which was wrong :)
Nov 30 20:36:59 <mikey|> adj stands for?
Nov 30 20:37:04 <jasta> adjustment
Nov 30 20:37:05 <Disconnect> ..adjustment
Nov 30 20:37:09 <budwaa> oom?
Nov 30 20:37:14 <jasta> out of memory
Nov 30 20:37:21 <TiberiumX> In what way was it coded to cause that problem?
Nov 30 20:37:23 <romainguy__> jasta: and Home just so ahppens to startup very slowly << if Home startups slowly then the device is really thrashing for some reason
Nov 30 20:37:27 <budwaa> Somthing u can set in the manifest?
Nov 30 20:37:42 <budwaa> so how the hell can i change the 2g only setting in android..
Nov 30 20:37:53 <jasta> romainguy__: you told me once that Home startup is slow, and that can be observed pretty easily if it has to restart
Nov 30 20:37:59 <jasta> takes 4-5 seconds
Nov 30 20:38:09 <budwaa> Im loosing the will to live searching the API's
Nov 30 20:38:10 <jasta> TiberiumX: i had a background service which lived indefinitely.
Nov 30 20:38:18 <mikey|> budwaa: settings->wifi, etc, ->mobile networks
Nov 30 20:38:27 <romainguy__> jasta: no, I told you it *was* slow and we did a lot of work to improve it
Nov 30 20:38:29 <budwaa> mikey|: yeah i mean from my app
Nov 30 20:38:35 <mikey|> oh, dunno
Nov 30 20:38:42 <romainguy__> on a device that's not thrashing Home can startup in less than 1 second
Nov 30 20:38:45 <jasta> romainguy__: work that hasn't made it onto the G1, so why would you assume i know about that?
Nov 30 20:39:00 <romainguy__> work that has made it onto the G1...
Nov 30 20:39:10 <romainguy__> it was pre-1.0
Nov 30 20:39:12 <jasta> i beg to differ.  Home restarts slow as hell.
Nov 30 20:39:23 <romainguy__> because when it's killed the device is thrashing
Nov 30 20:39:37 <jasta> you can make the device kill it by just playing around in the browser.
Nov 30 20:39:48 <Disconnect> romainguy: you are playing semantic games. clearly he is (correctly) comparing the earlier g1 releases with current. so no, compared to those work has NOT made it in.
Nov 30 20:39:49 <budwaa> you mean whatever makes home leave mem makes it slow to be re-loaded?
Nov 30 20:40:02 <DarkriftX> someone needs to clean the fucking market up
Nov 30 20:40:15 <romainguy__> Disconnect: being the one that wrote Home I would know what work when in the build and when :)
Nov 30 20:40:19 <DarkriftX> this asshole jerome posting about friends on your phone and spamming that url needs to be assraped
Nov 30 20:40:23 <mikey|> DarkriftX: it's like youtube comments...
Nov 30 20:40:31 <jasta> budwaa: the browser takes up a lot of memory, which can ultimately lead android to kill running processes.  Home is probably going to be one of them.  when you leave the browser Home restarts, and will draw initially with no icons while it does
Nov 30 20:40:34 <DarkriftX> someone needs to ddos his site, any takers?
Nov 30 20:40:36 * DarkriftX hides
Nov 30 20:40:48 * mikey| ddos' DarkriftX by 'mistake'
Nov 30 20:40:56 <mikey|> ¬_¬
Nov 30 20:40:57 <DarkriftX> romainguy: send googlebot to crawl his site on "crack" mode
Nov 30 20:41:06 <TiberiumX> So, what takes Home such a massive amount of time to start?  (Regardless of whether it has been improved from previous releases)
Nov 30 20:41:08 <Disconnect> romainguy__: thought android wasn't a device? :P but in any case. by that measure, -every- piece of home is "an improvement that made it into the g1"
Nov 30 20:41:10 <romainguy__> jasta: the Browser alone is not enough, on my device using the Browser is not enough to kill Home
Nov 30 20:41:19 <DarkriftX> i mean, the market looks like its going to be great, but assholes have to spam it like crazy
Nov 30 20:41:38 <Disconnect> romainguy__: load 3 or 4 windows, and while they are loading hit home. chances are good it'll take at least 10 seconds, if you hit it just right it'll take 30-60
Nov 30 20:41:54 <Disconnect> if you get -really- lucky it'll take in excess of 120 seconds
Nov 30 20:42:04 <Disconnect> (which is when I usually just lock it and wander off)
Nov 30 20:42:05 <romainguy__> Disconnect: then there's something terribly wrong with your device
Nov 30 20:42:10 <jasta> romainguy__: it doesn't happen always, probably because the browser doesn't have an upper bound.  more complex sites and lots of tabs does it though.
Nov 30 20:42:16 <TiberiumX> I've probably had 10, but never anywhere near 120.
Nov 30 20:42:17 <budwaa> Its never been that bad for me...about 5 secs at worst
Nov 30 20:42:29 <jasta> and it's not exclusively the browser, other services are running on my phone, and quite possibly on budwaa.
Nov 30 20:42:30 <budwaa> Just enough for me to notice
Nov 30 20:42:45 <jasta> which is why i told him to look at dumpsys activity, because it will tell him how Home will get reaped.
Nov 30 20:42:48 <romainguy__> Disconnect: I did a LOT of tests abotu Home restart over a few months and the longest time I've seen Home take to restart was around 10 seconds
Nov 30 20:42:57 <romainguy__> 30-60 means there's something really bad going on
Nov 30 20:43:17 <budwaa> jasta, wheres dumpsys? Part of the adb
Nov 30 20:43:25 <jasta> budwaa: adb shell dumpsys activity
Nov 30 20:44:11 <romainguy__> jasta: romainguy__: it doesn't happen always, probably because the browser doesn't have an upper bound.  more complex sites and lots of tabs does it though. << again, it depends on what else you have going on (and the browser does have an upper bound, around 27 MB)
Nov 30 20:44:17 <budwaa> jasta: got no idea where to find that :d
Nov 30 20:44:18 <Disconnect> can't get it now. effectively instant. i'll play with it more tomorrow in 3g (since it won't stay on wifi for more than 5-10 seconds at a time. but don't say thats a testing failure or danny will pee on you.)
Nov 30 20:44:21 <TiberiumX> There are quite a lot of services running that probably should have stopped themeslves by now on my device.
Nov 30 20:44:27 <mikey|> which sensor does "Battery Info" use to get the battery temp?
Nov 30 20:44:35 <mikey|> I tried activating the temp sensor, it failed
Nov 30 20:45:09 <TiberiumX> And I'm proud to say that the one belonging to my podcatching app that I've been testing extensively isn't among that list.
Nov 30 20:46:29 <TiberiumX> Does does every application have an upper bound? (beyond available memory, of course)
Nov 30 20:46:42 <romainguy__> TiberiumX: you can't get more than 16 MB of memory
Nov 30 20:46:59 <Disconnect> RyeBrye might be able to reproduce it more frequently, he was making the same 30+ second reports i was
Nov 30 20:47:05 <mikey|> who was asking about how to enable/disable 3g via their app?
Nov 30 20:47:11 <TiberiumX> Per process?  e.g. does a service contribute to that total?
Nov 30 20:47:27 <mikey|> download the src for settings, you'll find it somewhere in there: http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/packages/apps/Settings.git;a=commit;h=de2d9f5f109265873196f1615e1f3546b114aaa7
Nov 30 20:47:30 <romainguy__> TiberiumX: per VM
Nov 30 20:47:36 <romainguy__> so pretty much per process
Nov 30 20:48:01 <budwaa> mikey|: yeah i was
Nov 30 20:48:13 <budwaa> mikey|: wheres that ?
Nov 30 20:48:20 <mikey|> see my link
Nov 30 20:48:32 <budwaa> http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/packages/apps/Settings.git;a=commit;h=de2d9f5f109265873196f1615e1f3546b114aaa7
Nov 30 20:48:46 <TiberiumX> Okay, so you can see if 3G is enabled.  Is there a way to see if it's actually on a 3G network?
Nov 30 20:48:50 <mikey|> aye, download the src
Nov 30 20:48:53 <budwaa> damn that rick click feature of putty always gets me
Nov 30 20:49:22 <mikey|> TiberiumX: you mean via your app?
Nov 30 20:49:25 <budwaa> nice one mikey|
Nov 30 20:49:29 <TiberiumX> Yeah
Nov 30 20:49:36 <mikey|> no idea mate
Nov 30 20:57:19 <sparkle> ok, i just have to say
Nov 30 20:57:31 <sparkle> streamfurious is feckin cool :D
Nov 30 20:58:26 <JesusFreke1> what is streamfurious?
Nov 30 20:58:39 <sparkle> look on the market
Nov 30 20:58:41 <sparkle> m3u streamer
Nov 30 20:59:02 <sparkle> plays in the background
Nov 30 20:59:07 <JesusFreke1> ah, k. I've been using five :D
Nov 30 20:59:17 <sparkle> really really nicely done
Nov 30 21:01:21 <JesusFreke1> ah, just shoutcast
Nov 30 21:01:31 <JesusFreke1> I prefer to listen to my own music collection :D
Nov 30 21:02:15 <TiberiumX> There was another shoucast client out there that couldn't even keep up (without having to stop and refill its buffer) on wifi.  I'll try this one out.
Nov 30 21:02:27 <sparkle> icecast
Nov 30 21:02:28 * sparkle laughs
Nov 30 21:02:29 <sparkle> yeah
Nov 30 21:02:52 <TiberiumX> And that was just a 96kbps stream.
Nov 30 21:02:59 * sparkle nods
Nov 30 21:03:17 <sparkle> radio paradise 128k smooth to the quarter wave
Nov 30 21:03:29 <JesusFreke1> five is pretty cool, although it's not ready for mass consumption yet
Nov 30 21:04:12 <JesusFreke1> The basic premise is to let you listen to stream your home music collection, letting you listen to them like they were actually on your device
Nov 30 21:04:24 * sparkle nods
Nov 30 21:05:00 <JesusFreke1> orb is similar, but you have to start a stream from their website, and there's no way to navigate within the stream once you started it
Nov 30 21:05:01 <sparkle> ok, now i just have to see if icecast server runs ok on the g1
Nov 30 21:05:02 * sparkle laughs
Nov 30 21:05:07 <JesusFreke1> (i.e. can't skip to the next song)
Nov 30 21:05:50 <JesusFreke1> not to mention if it gets disconnected, you have to re-browse through the menus on the site to restart the stream. heh
Nov 30 21:07:07 <sparkle> heh
Nov 30 21:07:38 <TiberiumX> StreamFurious has no issues with streaming 128kbps over 3G, so that's a huge improvement.  A better selection of channels / ability to enter a URI for a stream would be nice (which I would expect, but don't see anywhere).
Nov 30 21:25:14 <d03boy> when an activity is paused, can it still be doing stuff in the background?
Nov 30 21:36:04 <DarkriftX> wow, andnav is pretty good
Nov 30 21:36:19 <DarkriftX> if only it read the compass (or if the compass worked :S)
Nov 30 21:36:31 <DarkriftX> isnt there a wya to recalibrate the compass?
Nov 30 21:36:42 <benley> yeah
Nov 30 21:36:53 <benley> turn on the compass and shake the phone around in figure-8s for a bit
Nov 30 21:37:53 <DarkriftX> do you have to have a particular app open while doing this?
Nov 30 21:38:11 <d03boy> I heard that it works best if you do the macarena
Nov 30 21:38:16 <DarkriftX> cool
Nov 30 21:38:22 * DarkriftX learns the macarena real fast
Nov 30 21:39:11 <d03boy> anyone have any idea how the networking (TCP) stuff works with android
Nov 30 21:39:23 <d03boy> im not immediately seeing anything useful
Nov 30 21:39:31 <richwjones> How low level are you talking about
Nov 30 21:39:49 <d03boy> I think I just want a Tcp connection of some sort
Nov 30 21:40:36 <d03boy> im assuming android has its own tcp stack instead of using the java implementation?
Nov 30 21:41:14 <d03boy> android.net doesnt seem to have much
Nov 30 21:47:30 <DarkriftX> is there a built in method to view the direction from the compass?
Nov 30 21:50:55 <Rioko> hi!
Nov 30 21:56:50 <d03boy> .
Nov 30 21:57:57 <offby1> DarkriftX: ah, it's always off by about 45 degrees anyway :-|
Nov 30 21:58:16 <DarkriftX> yeah, mine is not only off, but always points between north and east
Nov 30 21:58:21 <DarkriftX> no matter what direction i turn it
Nov 30 21:58:29 <foobar`> still no binary maps app for git base os :(
Nov 30 21:58:52 <DarkriftX> north says east, east says east, south says northeast, west says north, north says east
Nov 30 21:58:56 <ttuttle> Hey, can Android listen to rtsp streams?
Nov 30 21:59:24 <DarkriftX> i sat it on my lap with "orienteer" running and spun it, moved it and made it dance, but no change
Nov 30 22:00:47 <DarkriftX> i think once andnav has better labeling for its buttons, it could be a completel replacement for the maps app
Nov 30 22:01:30 <offby1> hmm, my phone just buzzed to remind me of an appointment that's set to start tomorrow.
Nov 30 22:01:33 <foobar`> not just maps app, the maps framework lib doesn't work on git base
Nov 30 22:01:46 <offby1> The reminder is supposed to come two hours before it starts ...
Nov 30 22:01:55 <offby1> but it's 14:00 here (PST8PDT).
Nov 30 22:02:05 <offby1> I fear the reminder came now because it's 22:00 GMT.
Nov 30 22:03:25 <drakedevel> Just a small bug report: When accessing pages that send application/vnd.wap.xhtml+xml as Content-Type (which is valid for XHTML Mobile Profile), the browser shows the source instead of rendering it.
Nov 30 22:04:27 <foobar`> irc is good place for bug reports
Nov 30 22:04:37 <DarkriftX> lol
Nov 30 22:04:44 <foobar`> can pretty much be guaranteed it will be tracked/recorded
Nov 30 22:05:47 <offby1> 0_o
Nov 30 22:05:52 <offby1> you _are_ joking, yes?
Nov 30 22:06:56 <drakedevel> offby1: I hope so
Nov 30 22:07:26 <drakedevel> This isn't my phone, the owner (sitting next to me) asked me to complain for him, I don't know where it should go
Nov 30 22:07:45 <xsdg> drakedevel: b.android.com
Nov 30 22:08:01 * ttuttle blushes.
Nov 30 22:08:03 * ttuttle files bug.
Nov 30 22:08:04 <drakedevel> xsdg: Thank you
Nov 30 22:08:15 * drakedevel points at ttuttle
Nov 30 22:08:25 * ttuttle points back at drakedevel's foolish non-XHTML website.
Nov 30 22:08:31 <xsdg> drakedevel: also, what Content-Type?
Nov 30 22:08:48 <drakedevel> xsdg: application/vnd.wap.xhtml+xml
Nov 30 22:08:51 * ttuttle also glares harshly at whoever decided the search and URL bars were the same, and that rtsp:// is not a valid beginning of a URL.
Nov 30 22:08:54 <xsdg> drakedevel: oh, I see
Nov 30 22:09:01 <ttuttle> drakedevel: Patches welcome, etc...
Nov 30 22:10:00 * drakedevel cat's /usr/bin/patch to IRC
Nov 30 22:10:20 * ttuttle stabs drakedevel for adding a spurious apostrophe.
Nov 30 22:10:48 * drakedevel bleeds egregious grammetrical errors
Nov 30 22:11:18 * ttuttle mops up the mess.
Nov 30 22:12:35 * ttuttle wants A2DP :(
Nov 30 22:13:02 <ttuttle> P1ro: Greetings.
Nov 30 22:13:17 <mikey|> drakedevel: i've come across that as well
Nov 30 22:13:21 <mikey|> (the bug)
Nov 30 22:13:22 <P1ro> o:
Nov 30 22:13:28 <ttuttle> mikey|: Did you file it?
Nov 30 22:13:36 <mikey|> forgot about it
Nov 30 22:13:49 * mikey| hides 
Nov 30 22:22:06 <d03boy> why do you have to use a CharSequence for a TextView
Nov 30 22:22:14 <d03boy> i just want to append some text :|
Nov 30 22:23:22 <jasta> d03boy: a String implements CharSequence, you know
Nov 30 22:23:31 <d03boy> ah, that works then
Nov 30 22:50:24 <eldenz> do i need to reboot the phone to switch microsd card?
Nov 30 22:51:54 <DarkriftX> no
Nov 30 22:52:10 <TiberiumX> Can't you just unmount it in preferences?
Nov 30 22:52:35 <orci> hi all, is there a project gutenberg reader?
Nov 30 22:52:52 <eldenz> yeah but then the phone *could* still be doing stuff i guess.. although i assume it won't hurt then
Nov 30 22:55:53 <eldenz> hm, i'm feeling stupid. do i need to partition a new microsd special?
Nov 30 22:56:18 <DarkriftX> sometimes
Nov 30 22:56:31 <eldenz> the old one shows weird things with fdisk.. and the new one is formatted as fat32, one partition. but it doesn't recognize it.
Nov 30 22:56:35 <DarkriftX> some of the factory sd cards came with bad partitioning and were onyl readable by certain things
Nov 30 22:56:54 <DarkriftX> yeah, seems they formatted the "card" but not a partition
Nov 30 23:01:20 <eldenz> ah, it wasn't just a feeling...
Nov 30 23:01:27 <eldenz> i had the usb cable still connected ;)
Nov 30 23:02:07 <DarkriftX> lol
Nov 30 23:17:36 <DarkriftX> anyone know why compare everywhere only works on electronics devices?
Nov 30 23:18:00 <DarkriftX> ive scanned food products, household stuff, none every have prices or anything, but any electronics i scan it shows listings
Nov 30 23:19:10 <orci> DarkriftX, I'd guess that electornic devices vary less than food products, hence easier to maintain a database?
Nov 30 23:19:22 <DarkriftX> is it just because its new and has a low db, or because of...... yeah, what he said
Nov 30 23:20:04 <DarkriftX> id love to be able to scan my 12pk of dr pepper and find who has the best price near me lol
Nov 30 23:20:27 <DarkriftX> i dont buy lots of electronics (well, more than i should, but still) but i do buy tons of dr pepper, smokes etc
Nov 30 23:20:49 <DarkriftX> i will say its fast as hell though, the image pops up before i can even get a decent lock on the bar code
Nov 30 23:21:51 <fnord_> It would be more useful with a google search. I noticed the same issue
Nov 30 23:22:06 <DarkriftX> i found one with google search, and it came up with no results for anything
Nov 30 23:22:09 <xtt> which is better generally  compare everywhere or shopsavvy ?
Nov 30 23:22:15 <DarkriftX> i think it was just called barcode scanner
Nov 30 23:22:28 <DarkriftX> oooh, i didnt know shopsavvy was the same general app
Nov 30 23:23:14 <orci> DarkriftX, what is doctor perpper? is it a malt drink?
Nov 30 23:23:40 <DarkriftX> heh
Nov 30 23:23:48 <DarkriftX> its like coke
Nov 30 23:23:50 <DarkriftX> but i like it more
Nov 30 23:25:08 <d03boy> i <3 drpepper+captain
Nov 30 23:25:38 <DarkriftX> lol
Nov 30 23:28:41 <Lieutenant> k i just got a WILD idea. first, is it possible to run some code with an app without the app actually opening ON the screen? like just have it run in the background without an interface.
Nov 30 23:29:36 <orci> Lieutenant, of course it is possible, such as the dialer application
Nov 30 23:31:25 <Lieutenant> okay, so i was wondering/here is my idea: how about make that print screen app JUST run the capture screen code when u click it. lets say i clicked the icon in my menu of the "PrintScreen" app, it will take a pic what whatever i was doing THE INSTANT i clicked that icon. (but obviously what we would see is the icon being clicked)
Nov 30 23:31:53 <Lieutenant> would that be possible? just when u click an app, an interface doesn't come up, it just runs the code.
Nov 30 23:32:08 <JesusFreke1> yeah, I think so. You could probably even assign a shortcut key to the app
Nov 30 23:32:15 <Lieutenant> yeah thats where i was going
Nov 30 23:32:25 <Lieutenant> the G1 comes with a "assign shortcut" to any app
Nov 30 23:32:29 <JesusFreke1> yep
Nov 30 23:32:37 <Lieutenant> so all u gotta do is hit "Menu + P" or something to printscreen
Nov 30 23:33:04 <Impossible> JesusFreke1: sorry to bug...any news on a rc30 1.2 kinda update for rc8?
Nov 30 23:33:17 <JesusFreke1> umm.. yeah :)
Nov 30 23:33:21 <JesusFreke1> out for a while now..
Nov 30 23:33:26 <Impossible> gah, soz
Nov 30 23:33:37 <Impossible> just read all your rc30 1.2's and must have missed it
Nov 30 23:33:42 <JesusFreke1> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=445544
Nov 30 23:34:16 <Impossible> thanks alot
Nov 30 23:34:17 <Lieutenant> k, since this idea isn't TOO wild, i'll post it on the forums (didn't wanna look like a fool on the boards haha)
Nov 30 23:34:19 <JesusFreke1> np :)
Nov 30 23:34:27 <DarkriftX> i notice a lot of the apps i install are supposed to work in the background, but dont seem to auto start. is this a bug with the app, or not a feature of android (im sure it is, i dont see how auto start woudlnt be implemented)
Nov 30 23:35:42 <Lieutenant> darkrift, the smartuser app starts automatically when the phone starts.
Nov 30 23:35:51 <Impossible> im looking at upgrading my rc7 release when i get a spare hour or two tommorow =)
Nov 30 23:35:55 <DarkriftX> better to look liek a fool in real time then on a forum where your post stays forever huh?
Nov 30 23:35:58 <DarkriftX> shit, afk 3 mins
Nov 30 23:36:04 <Impossible> will have a tinker, thanks for the nfo...gonna get to bed now
Nov 30 23:36:09 <Impossible> good night people
Nov 30 23:37:01 <thesquib> how can you extract files from an apk?
Nov 30 23:37:18 <offby1> it's just a zip file
Nov 30 23:37:19 <JesusFreke1> rename it to .zip
Nov 30 23:37:20 <offby1> use unzip
Nov 30 23:37:29 <thesquib> hah! Thakns
Nov 30 23:37:30 <thesquib> thanks
Nov 30 23:37:49 <orci> apk file is not a jar file though, is it?
Nov 30 23:39:47 <thesquib> hmmm... I have been trying to access files within the apk from code using getResourceAsStream but I always seem to get no data, even if the file is found.
Nov 30 23:40:00 <thesquib> Anyone have ideas about that?
Nov 30 23:40:55 <JesusFreke1> orci jar files *are* zip files  :)
Nov 30 23:41:28 <orci> JesusFreke1, yeah, this is why asked if afk files are jar files or not
Nov 30 23:41:44 <JesusFreke1> they're all the same
Nov 30 23:42:06 <JesusFreke1> apks are zips.. jars are zips.. apks are jars.. jars are apks.. etc. :)
Nov 30 23:42:35 <orci> JesusFreke1, apk and jar files are subsets of zip files
Nov 30 23:42:57 <orci> JesusFreke1, they are not simply zipped files, they have a format in them but zip is used to compress them
Nov 30 23:42:58 <thesquib> Oh i see, looks like it is a bug with android
Nov 30 23:47:44 <thesquib> can you even use getResourceAsStream on files within the res folder? Or is it restricted to using R.*
Nov 30 23:50:19 <Damm> orci, they are signed... but they are still zips
Nov 30 23:50:36 <Damm> it's a standard zip except for the signature, and then the contents of course are so java-esque
Nov 30 23:51:09 <orci> Damm, contents have to have special directory names, etc, am I right
Nov 30 23:51:54 <Damm> orci, the contents have stuff like META-INF and such... however in the end, it's still a zip
Nov 30 23:52:05 <Damm> your point is heard, but it's just not that complicated.
Nov 30 23:53:12 <orci> yeah, I just wanted to say that sipping a file does not make it a jar file or an apk file
Nov 30 23:53:39 <DarkriftX> i need a good compass app that will let me calibrate easily
Nov 30 23:54:34 <Damm> orci, nope it does not.  however you can unzip them and do what you want.
Nov 30 23:54:46 <Damm> DarkriftX, orienter(sp) should work
Nov 30 23:55:01 <Damm> that's what I use, standard compass using the acceleramater... as well as GPS
Nov 30 23:55:07 <Damm> (gps for just geo caching crud)
Nov 30 23:55:10 <DarkriftX> really
Nov 30 23:55:16 <DarkriftX> seemed liek a good app, but it was way off
Nov 30 23:55:21 <DarkriftX> and the spinning moving trick didnt work
Nov 30 23:58:58 <xsdg> JesusFreke1: also note that apks (usually) don't contain Java bytecode at all
Dec 01 00:02:13 <DarkriftX> ok.... so i got north working but now east and west are backwards
Dec 01 00:02:26 <DarkriftX> when i turn from north to east, it moves to west and vice versa
Dec 01 00:02:28 <DarkriftX> im confused lol
Dec 01 00:02:49 * DarkriftX plays with it some more
Dec 01 00:14:44 <orci> DarkriftX, when you head north your left hand shows west :)
Dec 01 00:19:23 <jesus`> will android support nmea output , so i can use my phone with gpsd on my laptop
Dec 01 00:22:09 <d03boy> jesus`, im offended that you do not capitalize your own name
Dec 01 00:22:12 <fnord_> Heya, the adb win32 version is in ./development/host/windows/usb/api? What is needed to compile it?
Dec 01 00:22:36 <fnord_> d03boy, I'm offended at religious drama in my presense.
Dec 01 00:22:37 <fnord_> :P
Dec 01 00:22:51 <d03boy> i'm offended at your underscore
Dec 01 00:23:04 <fnord_> I'm offended at your counter offended
Dec 01 00:23:08 <DarkriftX> its not religious, its spelling/punctuation
Dec 01 00:23:32 <fnord_> But yeah. Adb, windows...cygwin?
Dec 01 00:23:35 <orci> fnord_, hehe cool
Dec 01 00:23:49 <fnord_> I wish to reenable ppp :P
Dec 01 00:24:19 <Lieutenant> oh its fnord! the famous guy from the forum
Dec 01 00:24:22 * Lieutenant blushes
Dec 01 00:24:23 <Lieutenant> hiiiii
Dec 01 00:24:27 <fnord_> o.O
Dec 01 00:24:40 <Lieutenant> lol
Dec 01 00:25:21 <Leeds> Lieutenant: bow down, you worm!
Dec 01 00:26:28 <Lieutenant> thats a bit too much, isn't it?
Dec 01 00:27:11 <DarkriftX> anyone else hate how most apps instead of having more information, they ahve a button that misleadingly takes you to a website?
Dec 01 00:27:31 <fnord_> yup
Dec 01 00:27:33 <Lieutenant> yeah which is stupid
Dec 01 00:27:50 <Lieutenant> tunewiki doesn't do that though :)
Dec 01 00:28:20 <orci> DarkriftX, that is mostly in non-free apps I observed
Dec 01 00:28:46 <DarkriftX> liek the accuweather, there is a button of a clock and an arrow, you click it you go to some damned website
Dec 01 00:28:55 <DarkriftX> if i wanted to see your site, i wouldnt have downloaded your app
Dec 01 00:29:22 <Lieutenant> hey how is the application menu pull-up screen supposed to be organized?
Dec 01 00:29:49 <DarkriftX> alpha?
Dec 01 00:30:25 <Lieutenant> thats what i had thought, but its halfway alphabetically organized, but it jumpes around
Dec 01 00:30:45 <DarkriftX> mine doesnt
Dec 01 00:30:48 <Lieutenant> like goes from the N's to the S's then back and continues on n shit
Dec 01 00:30:49 <eldenz> DarkriftX, yepyep, that's why i switched to the "Weather" app :)
Dec 01 00:30:50 <Lieutenant> oh well.
Dec 01 00:31:01 <DarkriftX> ahh, ill search for that one
Dec 01 00:31:03 <fnord_> Capital?
Dec 01 00:32:24 <orci> is there an app that tracks battery charge recharge, in order to see how well the battery might(not) be doing?
Dec 01 00:32:47 <fnord_> 'battery info', built in
Dec 01 00:32:50 <fnord_> Oh, tracks
Dec 01 00:32:53 <fnord_> Dunno
Dec 01 00:33:12 <d03boy> I have my Activity and layout with an EditText field in it. I want to detect when "enter" is used in that field so I can send some data. How do I do that?
Dec 01 00:34:16 * fnord_ twitches at the thought of working on java ui building
Dec 01 00:34:54 <fnord_> DarkriftX, Were you working on pand and dund?
Dec 01 00:35:21 <DarkriftX> nope :s
Dec 01 00:36:12 <sparkle> mm
Dec 01 00:36:22 <fnord_> Hrm
Dec 01 00:36:44 <fnord_> Trying to figure out how best to route tcpip over adb.
Dec 01 00:37:18 <fnord_> pppd is problematic.
Dec 01 00:37:44 <fnord_> And portfowarding needs tunneling
Dec 01 00:38:04 <Leeds> why is it problematic?
Dec 01 00:38:49 <DarkriftX> i wish you could drag icons from one screen to another :(
Dec 01 00:39:06 <fnord_> Well for one it's not in the code for windows.
Dec 01 00:39:20 <fnord_> I could try to rig a monstrosity using cygwin I suppose
Dec 01 00:40:14 <Leeds> bah, windows :-)
Dec 01 00:40:15 <fnord_> But the thought of building the entire android codebase in cygwin makes me twitch
Dec 01 00:40:20 <spikebike> dark you can
Dec 01 00:40:23 <orci> did mozilla announce that they will release a version of fennec for android?
Dec 01 00:40:48 <fnord_> I'd like to release a usb tunneling system that works on a windows laptop, for example :P
Dec 01 00:41:05 <fnord_> Errr tethering system
Dec 01 00:41:15 <fnord_> That doesn't use a proxy :P
Dec 01 00:41:22 <fnord_> Or stupid things like ppp over tcp
Dec 01 00:44:34 <DarkriftX> how spikebike?
Dec 01 00:44:43 <DarkriftX> i try adn they just drop at the edge of the screen
Dec 01 00:45:12 <DarkriftX> oooh
Dec 01 00:45:33 <spikebike> heh
Dec 01 00:47:25 <DarkriftX> now to find a cool wallpaper with little 3d androids all over it :)
Dec 01 00:47:45 <orci> can we assume that fennec on android is impossible unless fennec is rewritten in Java? Or is there a way to run a non byte code on android?
Dec 01 00:49:08 <benley> you can run native linux executables.
Dec 01 00:49:52 <orci> benley, if I get root I suppose?
Dec 01 00:50:02 <benley> you don't even need that.
Dec 01 00:50:10 <benley> good luck interfacing with the android UI stuff though.
Dec 01 00:50:58 <orci> http://androidcommunity.com/mozillas-mobile-browser-fennec-wont-be-coming-to-android-any-time-soon-20081110/ this article says that google does not allow non byte code apps, though
Dec 01 00:51:11 <benley> they're wrong.
Dec 01 00:51:13 <Disconnect> fnord_: tethering without a proxy or ppp is called PAN.
Dec 01 00:51:26 <benley> orci: it's not prohibited, it's just not supported.
Dec 01 00:51:40 <Disconnect> actually, if you want to hack at it a lot, you can disable the android usb handler and load the usb-ethernet-gadget driver.
Dec 01 00:51:43 <benley> orci: I vaguely recall hearing that it will be supported in some way later on.
Dec 01 00:52:46 <xtt> is there any way to get a compass on the normal google map (i.e not street view), or is it not possible ?
Dec 01 00:53:01 <benley> xtt: it's possible, but I don't remember how to enable it
Dec 01 00:53:02 <Disconnect> normal google map north is up
Dec 01 00:54:42 <xsdg> xtt: it's in the Settings
Dec 01 00:55:32 <xsdg> err... weird... there is no Settings
Dec 01 00:56:01 <xsdg> yeah, I've seen it somewhere, but I can't find it now
Dec 01 00:57:38 <benley> wow, this is like the cutest thing in the universe: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2082/1577506262_03177b0e0f.jpg
Dec 01 00:57:41 <benley> (speaking of fennecs)
Dec 01 00:57:43 <fnord_> Disconnect, ahh you were the one
Dec 01 00:58:12 <fnord_> Disconnect, problem is, i don't want wireless, i just want a simple point to point connection over adb. dund uses pppd btw
Dec 01 00:58:24 <Disconnect> dund does. that why i said pan.
Dec 01 00:58:51 <fnord_> oh. it can be routed over bus. neat
Dec 01 00:59:42 <fnord_> hm
Dec 01 01:02:52 <d03boy> where do I set up a listener for an EditText
Dec 01 01:03:03 <fnord_> though pand doesn't seem to support specifying that
Dec 01 01:03:04 <DarkriftX> if i put adb in my path, will it work (does it require any of the other files in the tools folder)?
Dec 01 01:03:43 <fnord_> You need that dll
Dec 01 01:03:54 <DarkriftX> dll? on linux?
Dec 01 01:04:01 <fnord_> oh
Dec 01 01:04:05 <fnord_> well, carry on then
Dec 01 01:04:09 <DarkriftX> lol
Dec 01 01:04:09 <DarkriftX> ok
Dec 01 01:05:11 <DarkriftX> nice, it worked
Dec 01 01:05:13 <d03boy> all of the tutorials/examples I find are extremely simple and dont show how to do anything complicated
Dec 01 01:05:23 <DarkriftX> i put it in ~/bin and dont have to type the damned path anymore
Dec 01 01:05:32 <DarkriftX> was worried it required other files from the tools folder
Dec 01 01:05:46 <d03boy> DarkriftX, why not just put the directory in your $_PATH
Dec 01 01:06:53 <orci> bye now people
Dec 01 01:07:22 <DarkriftX> because its buried deep in subfolders on my desktop :S
Dec 01 01:07:34 <DarkriftX> my path statement would be very long :s
Dec 01 01:08:54 <DarkriftX> that sucks, the wallpaper app/tool only reads from a specific folder :@
Dec 01 01:12:54 <romainguy__> DarkriftX: on Android?
Dec 01 01:13:05 <d03boy> if I have an EditText, how can I submit the form without having to press a "Go" button?
Dec 01 01:13:22 <DarkriftX> no, on my laptop
Dec 01 01:13:35 <romainguy__> oh ok :)
Dec 01 01:13:36 <DarkriftX> i copied adb to my ~/bin folder so i dont have to add the tools folder to path
Dec 01 01:13:51 <DarkriftX> but while youre here.... where do i put wallpapers at?
Dec 01 01:13:54 <zart> hello
Dec 01 01:13:57 <Disconnect> d03boy: look into the methods it accepts. in this case, there is an onedit (iirc)
Dec 01 01:14:08 <romainguy__> DarkriftX: anywhere on the sdcard, they will show up as pictures in the pictures gallery
Dec 01 01:14:22 <romainguy__> on Home when you press Menu > Wallpaper, just choose the first option
Dec 01 01:14:23 <DarkriftX> hrmmmm, they arent showing up
Dec 01 01:14:28 <romainguy__> (the second one is for the default wallpaper only)
Dec 01 01:14:32 <DarkriftX> i see them in the file browser, but not wallpaper gallery)
Dec 01 01:14:36 <Fnordg1> remount sd
Dec 01 01:14:42 <romainguy__> the wallpaper gallery won't show then
Dec 01 01:14:43 <romainguy__> them
Dec 01 01:14:46 <zart> Might I be able to bug someone for a quick second? I seem to be hitting an error I've never seen before.
Dec 01 01:14:48 <romainguy__> it's only for the stock wallpapers
Dec 01 01:14:51 <DarkriftX> nor the picture one
Dec 01 01:14:57 <d03boy> Disconnect, there are various key events but I really dont know which one is correct
Dec 01 01:15:20 <Disconnect> there is a  set of api docs that covers that sort of thing
Dec 01 01:15:29 <zart> Anyone ever seen, java.lang.IllegalStateException: System services not available to Activities before onCreate()
Dec 01 01:16:20 <DarkriftX> wtf
Dec 01 01:16:28 <romainguy__> zart: you're probably trying to access a service from a field initialization
Dec 01 01:17:17 <zart> romainguy__: the code I'm using is Config config = new Config();
Dec 01 01:17:32 <zart> It's placed after the onCreate method also
Dec 01 01:17:39 <romainguy__> is Config your own class?
Dec 01 01:18:03 <DarkriftX> any ideas romainguy?
Dec 01 01:18:04 <zart> yes
Dec 01 01:18:20 <zart> it's a class created in a seperate file, then packed into a jar file
Dec 01 01:18:26 <romainguy__> DarkriftX: you can try to eject/reinsert the sdcard to force the media manager to rescan it
Dec 01 01:18:27 <DarkriftX> 2 .jpg files in /sdcard, android file manager can see and show them, but pictures does not, they cannot be added as wallpaper :(
Dec 01 01:18:32 <DarkriftX> k
Dec 01 01:18:59 <romainguy__> zart: can you show the complete stack trace?
Dec 01 01:19:07 <romainguy__> (if necessary include the Caused by: substacks)
Dec 01 01:19:12 <zart> sure, mind if I pm you?
Dec 01 01:19:16 <romainguy__> go ahead
Dec 01 01:19:28 <DarkriftX> damn, no pictures found now lol
Dec 01 01:19:33 <romainguy__> ^^
Dec 01 01:19:35 * DarkriftX thinks he is gonna have to reboot the damned thing
Dec 01 01:20:41 <Damm> DarkriftX, how did you copy the files there?
Dec 01 01:20:49 <DarkriftX> adb push
Dec 01 01:21:05 <Damm> hrm should see it
Dec 01 01:21:12 <Damm> reboot and it should be there
Dec 01 01:21:21 <DarkriftX> card not detected now :(
Dec 01 01:21:25 <Disconnect> lol
Dec 01 01:21:34 <Disconnect> reformat it. the tmob default card comes wiht a crappy format sometimes
Dec 01 01:21:53 <DarkriftX> i think we figured out it was the non sandisk cards
Dec 01 01:21:57 <DarkriftX> mine is a sandisk
Dec 01 01:22:08 <DarkriftX> but ill check it out
Dec 01 01:22:22 * Disconnect dropped his card in from the e90. lemme check brand.
Dec 01 01:22:23 <DarkriftX> i was able to flash rc30 1.2 using it, so it must not be that
Dec 01 01:22:38 <Disconnect> "it read one file ok, so it must be 100% perfect" .. ermm.. no :)
Dec 01 01:22:42 <DarkriftX> i think there were sandisk and transcend cards
Dec 01 01:22:59 <DarkriftX> Disconnect: the faulty formatted ones would not let you flash the update
Dec 01 01:23:23 <Disconnect> mine is transcend but its been formatted repeatedly over the months
Dec 01 01:23:30 <Disconnect> ah
Dec 01 01:28:43 <DarkriftX> ok, had to reboot to get it working
Dec 01 01:28:44 <DarkriftX> that sux
Dec 01 01:29:05 <DarkriftX> didnt jf add ext support to the 1.2 "rom" ?
Dec 01 01:29:15 <DarkriftX> or was that someone else doing that
Dec 01 01:29:17 <Disconnect> ya he did
Dec 01 01:29:20 <DarkriftX> nice
Dec 01 01:29:29 <DarkriftX> so i could do ext2 sd card :0
Dec 01 01:32:22 <Damm> mine was 'faulty' until i did a dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1
Dec 01 01:32:28 <Damm> and then wrote a brand new fdisk label on it
Dec 01 01:33:13 <Damm> weird part about post rc28 is if you do a adb push, and you still have the notifier up for 'mount usb disk, or do not mount'... it will always fail
Dec 01 01:33:16 <Damm> same as anything adb related
Dec 01 01:35:09 <randi-> hello damm.
Dec 01 01:36:37 <Damm> ah randi
Dec 01 01:36:42 <Damm> i can't seem to get rid of you
Dec 01 01:38:24 <d03boy> i wish there was a channel that focused more on dev
Dec 01 01:39:04 <Damm> d03boy, #android-dev not do it for you?
Dec 01 01:39:16 <d03boy> i had no idea that was there
Dec 01 01:39:28 <d03boy> lol. I'm surprised someone didnt point that out sooner
Dec 01 01:39:30 <Damm> yeah this is just 'random chat'
Dec 01 01:39:31 <Disconnect> Damm: he never pays attention to anyone responding. thats the 3rd or 4th time its been pointed out to him.
Dec 01 01:39:48 <Damm> Disconnect, well, maybe it'll work now.
Dec 01 01:40:17 <d03boy> Disconnect, i've noticed 99% of the other stuff you've said... I dont know hwo I could ahve missed that
Dec 01 01:41:20 <Disconnect> we should add it to the topic. but that takes an act of google.
Dec 01 01:43:28 <xsdg> Disconnect: I think adding it to the topic would make it less effective at being focused more on development.
Dec 01 01:43:52 <Disconnect> ...??wtf
Dec 01 01:44:10 <Disconnect> "if people know it exists it won't focus on development" thats what opers are for.
Dec 01 01:44:39 <Mony> Disconnect, good point :)
Dec 01 01:44:49 <Disconnect> and in point of fact, its a lot easier to establish appropriate content when people know there are two options. the hard part is something like #tivo and #tivo-help where #tivo is the hardcore dev channel
Dec 01 02:02:37 * DarkriftX shoots Dialekt 
Dec 01 02:02:54 * JesusFreke1 dies
Dec 01 02:02:56 <JesusFreke1> you missed :p
Dec 01 02:03:06 <DarkriftX> nah, i got good aim :)
Dec 01 02:03:16 <DarkriftX> you were just in the way of the bullet
Dec 01 02:03:44 <eugene> lol
Dec 01 02:03:51 * JesusFreke1 wants matrix-style bullet dodging ability
Dec 01 02:07:23 <Dialekt> what
Dec 01 02:08:52 <DarkriftX> i got my g1 yesterday
Dec 01 02:14:56 <Versed> white?
Dec 01 02:15:00 <DarkriftX> black
Dec 01 02:16:04 <Disconnect> wanna trade? :)
Dec 01 02:16:10 <DarkriftX> lol
Dec 01 02:16:11 <DarkriftX> no
Dec 01 02:17:11 <DarkriftX> the  bronze was ok, but i like the black the best
Dec 01 02:36:31 <Fnordg1> wtf my trackball is jameed
Dec 01 02:36:47 <JesusFreke1> you named your trackball jameed?! :D
Dec 01 02:37:46 <Fnordg1> jammed :-O
Dec 01 02:38:37 <_avatar> can anyone tell me the name of the control the Music app uses to display playback position? its like a combination progressbar/slider
Dec 01 02:41:36 <TiberiumX> SeekBar
Dec 01 02:41:48 <_avatar> awesome, thanks :)
Dec 01 02:42:25 <TiberiumX> Check out the android source.  It's helpful to look through their apps and see how they've done things.
Dec 01 02:42:55 <_avatar> i'm on my windows machine at the moment, i don't have the source handy. i figured if i asked here someone would know.
Dec 01 02:43:05 <SystemWizard> yep... i've learned a lot from pulling the apps-for-android read only project out of the svn repository
Dec 01 02:43:38 <Fnordg1> AAaaaaagh they put artichoke in my order eeeeeeww
Dec 01 02:43:55 <SystemWizard> _avatar: do you have the svn command-line client installed?
Dec 01 02:44:27 <_avatar> of course
Dec 01 02:44:27 * Fnordg1 twitches and dies
Dec 01 02:45:33 <SystemWizard> ah you've seen the code and you just don't have it on *that* box.. I get it
Dec 01 02:45:35 <SystemWizard> n/m
Dec 01 02:46:14 <_avatar> :)
Dec 01 02:46:29 <Fnordg1> you can browse it online
Dec 01 02:46:56 <_avatar> oh?
Dec 01 02:47:06 <SystemWizard> yea http://apps-for-android.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/
Dec 01 02:47:13 <_avatar> i thought i saw something at some point, but i didn't see it here http://source.android.com/
Dec 01 02:47:18 <_avatar> SystemWizard: thanks
Dec 01 02:47:23 <SystemWizard> np
Dec 01 02:47:51 <Fnordg1> what'ya writing?
Dec 01 02:47:56 <JesusFreke1> also:
Dec 01 02:47:57 <JesusFreke1> http://android.git.kernel.org/
Dec 01 02:48:41 <_avatar> Fnordg1: me? my new project is home automation stuff. you know, turning lights and appliances on and off with my G1
Dec 01 02:48:51 <Fnordg1> aha
Dec 01 02:49:03 <Fnordg1> x3 but not
Dec 01 02:49:19 <_avatar> x3?
Dec 01 02:53:37 <Fnordg1> i think it was x3. or x10, x2, etc. they made serial dongles that transmitted to radio lightbulb adapters and such. thier marketing dept sank the company
Dec 01 02:53:48 <_avatar> x10, yeah.
Dec 01 02:53:57 <Fnordg1> yeh
Dec 01 02:54:04 <DarkriftX> x10 didnt sink :S
Dec 01 02:54:06 <_avatar> they're still around, and sell stuff. my app currently works with x10 compatible devices
Dec 01 02:54:15 <DarkriftX> they sell lots of stuff still
Dec 01 02:54:17 <DarkriftX> mostly online though
Dec 01 02:54:30 <_avatar> they have the worst website i've ever seen. ever.
Dec 01 02:54:30 <Fnordg1> first use of popups on a massive scale yeh?
Dec 01 02:54:35 <_avatar> yup
Dec 01 02:55:43 <Fnordg1> obnoxious use-our-shit-to-spy-on-the-supermodel-next-door type ads
Dec 01 02:57:11 <Fnordg1> lol
Dec 01 02:57:25 <Fnordg1> just went to x10.com
Dec 01 02:57:36 <Fnordg1> same marketing dept
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