**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 11 02:59:57 2008 Dec 11 03:03:18 been browsing around the docs for a few days / asking in here. Trying to get a list of Windows for the browser...anyone know if there's a table I can look at or better yet an activity i can call? Dec 11 03:03:50 unix_infidel: I don't think there is. Dec 11 03:03:59 The browser doesn Dec 11 03:04:02 doesn Dec 11 03:04:04 gah Dec 11 03:04:22 doesn't use separate activities for the different windows and for the window selector Dec 11 03:05:59 jbq: i'm trying to write an app that brings up a list of windows instead of bringing up the last view state the browser was in. Dec 11 03:06:36 I don't think that's possible, but if you really want to try hard you can look at the source code (no supported, yada yada yada). Dec 11 03:07:25 gives me something to play with over the holidays ;-) Dec 11 03:12:06 unix_infidel: check the User Guide page 70 for shortcuts in the browser like menu + t for opening the window chooser Dec 11 03:14:39 * ttuttle|notme is trying to build the open source release. Dec 11 03:14:50 er Dec 11 03:14:53 * ttuttle is trying to build the open source release. Dec 11 03:15:18 use the multi-processor switch ;) Dec 11 03:16:03 DJTachyon: make -jn you mean? Dec 11 03:29:15 wheres the clearest instructions for installing the modified recovery image? Dec 11 03:29:44 i dont understand how to "boot into recovery mode" Dec 11 03:30:06 power off the phone completely Dec 11 03:30:14 hold the home button, while pressing the power button Dec 11 03:31:29 ok now i've got an exclamation mark and a g1 image Dec 11 03:32:17 if i put the modified rc8 (jf's one) on the sdcard as update.zip .. i will retain root access ? Dec 11 03:32:45 and im able to switch it back to rc28, or modified rc30? Dec 11 03:35:41 Yes, you will be able to. Dec 11 03:35:45 Did you already flash the test keys? Dec 11 03:39:16 jesusfreke Dec 11 03:39:40 i hope your Lieutenant senses are tingling, cause i got something to ask u Dec 11 03:40:20 * JesusFreke feels his Lieutenant sense tingling Dec 11 03:40:23 swetland: ping Dec 11 03:40:47 wow. how did you do that Liuetenant? :p Dec 11 03:41:17 hahaha Dec 11 03:41:32 that was actually pretty crazy, i gotta admit. Dec 11 03:41:45 but uh... u make ur own firmwares n stuff, right? Dec 11 03:41:56 Has anyone built the open source build for the G1? Dec 11 03:42:05 i mostly just take the official updates and modify the Dec 11 03:42:06 them Dec 11 03:42:09 yeah ttuttle Dec 11 03:42:10 ttuttle, yes. I have Dec 11 03:42:16 but it sucks :p Dec 11 03:42:22 in a Kubuntu VM ;) Dec 11 03:42:45 gave it a couple of my cores and a couple gigs of ram and it compiled in about 45 min Dec 11 03:43:27 JesusFreke: oh? Dec 11 03:43:37 yeah what sucks about it? :P Dec 11 03:43:48 yeah, thats kinda what i meant. but i heard that the "IM App" (already on the phone) will connect to aim/msn/yahoo via wifi when the SIM CARD is out of the phone. (otherwise it connects and messages using your text messages) so i was wondering, is it possible to edit something to make it where you can toggle it to be wifi or texts? Dec 11 03:43:53 install a few packages and do a git sync Dec 11 03:45:38 tbh, I think I just tried once. but it seemed that a lot of the settings were missing, as well as a number of the apps. I didn't put much effort into it :p Dec 11 03:46:20 Yeah, all of the proprietary apps ar emissing Dec 11 03:46:39 heh Dec 11 03:47:00 it goes fast if you follow the instructions Dec 11 03:47:03 like GMail, Youtube, Google Maps, Market, etc Dec 11 03:47:47 DJT: I mean the end system that you end up with sucks. not the build process Dec 11 03:48:12 the build wasn't too bad, just took a long time to download and build Dec 11 03:48:29 ah Dec 11 03:48:30 ;) Dec 11 03:48:39 I'm excited for the Limewire party tomorrow :P Dec 11 03:49:16 hi, is this a known bug? Dec 11 03:49:21 Hiro2: yes Dec 11 03:49:29 Leeds: really? thanks! Dec 11 03:49:41 hmm, hopefully i can hack together whatever menu+t in browser calls. Dec 11 03:49:48 but it's likely not a public method. Dec 11 03:49:52 when i have a mail file open in gmail and I get a new e-mail, I hear the phone with alert but it doesn't flash nor does it tell me i have a new email Dec 11 03:50:36 do you have the mail conversation open already? Dec 11 03:50:48 DJ: yes Dec 11 03:50:57 DJ: but not the newest e-mail Dec 11 03:51:05 yeah i noticed that too Dec 11 03:51:45 * chuck is excited Dec 11 03:51:51 since you have the convo open for the email you just got, soon as you either bring the phone out of locked mode it will go away or it goes away immediately if you are looking at it Dec 11 03:51:52 I get to try the G1 for the first time on Sunday ^_^ Dec 11 03:51:58 congratz Dec 11 03:52:11 not sure if I want to get one yet though Dec 11 03:52:37 the fact that it doesn't have a headphone jack, doesn't support multitouch (at least, out of the box), can't run native code applications afaik, etc Dec 11 03:53:03 chuck: it comes with it's own headphones Dec 11 03:53:12 yeah Dec 11 03:53:35 and it *can* run native code, it's just not (properly) supported Dec 11 03:53:48 are they shipping the adapter with it yet? Dec 11 03:54:04 I believe so Dec 11 03:55:10 which adapter? Dec 11 03:56:14 extUSB->3.5mm Dec 11 03:56:33 the Google Dev Phone 1 too? Dec 11 03:57:00 well it comes with usb to headphones Dec 11 03:57:09 didnt know they would be throwing a generic adapter in there Dec 11 03:57:31 can anyone recommend a cross platform multiformat video converter for the G1? Dec 11 03:57:37 yeah Dec 11 03:57:40 well no Dec 11 03:57:42 only windows Dec 11 03:57:44 DJTachyon: it originally came with a headset with a USB plug on it... AFAIK they are now throwing in an adapter as well Dec 11 03:57:44 :P Dec 11 03:57:47 unix_infidel: handbrake? Dec 11 03:57:56 FFMPEG? :P Dec 11 03:58:11 http://www.djtachyon.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=49&Itemid=1 Dec 11 03:58:15 that is my how-to for windows Dec 11 04:01:13 DJTachyon: gui's arent bad things. Dec 11 04:01:19 ;) Dec 11 04:01:32 it works well ... I hate super personally .. but if it works, it works Dec 11 04:02:28 hey Dec 11 04:02:36 so they reverse engineered the dev g1s? Dec 11 04:02:47 o_O Dec 11 04:03:01 i just got my replacement g1 Dec 11 04:03:05 its got rc29 Dec 11 04:03:10 i can root it still? Dec 11 04:03:28 *yawn* .. i'm going to bed Dec 11 04:03:32 yes Dec 11 04:03:35 i have RC30 .. meh .. later Dec 11 04:05:54 DJTachyon: don't sleep, your phone might ota! Dec 11 04:08:04 Leeds: yikes, you should've warned me handbrake uses cygwin. Dec 11 04:08:12 does anyone here know how many days the dev phone 1 takes to ship? maybe someone who has a market account who can check? Dec 11 04:08:29 unix_infidel: I don't do windows :-P Dec 11 04:08:43 damn, linking libwebcore is slow Dec 11 04:08:52 * ttuttle wants his google workstation back. Dec 11 04:09:12 chuck: it doesn't say Dec 11 04:09:23 ttuttle: no ssh access? Dec 11 04:09:23 Leeds: heh, why I asked for cross platform. Dec 11 04:09:48 unix_infidel: doesn't handbrake run on windows? Dec 11 04:09:53 summatusmentis: are you kidding? Dec 11 04:10:09 summatusmentis: fulltimers don't even get that without a good reason! Dec 11 04:10:16 Leeds: sure, but i'm not always on one OS. Dec 11 04:10:21 summatusmentis: I'm not even working for them right now! Dec 11 04:10:29 ttuttle: oh, I thought you were full time Dec 11 04:10:32 unix_infidel: so it runs everywhere, right? Dec 11 04:10:39 Leeds: not BeOS. Dec 11 04:10:54 does anyone know if the g1 might support 3g networks on bands other than the 1700 through software updates? or is it a hardware limitation? Dec 11 04:10:55 it'd port quite easily, I think - CLI version, at least Dec 11 04:11:03 hrm, I've been reading really bad reviews about the G1's battery life =( Dec 11 04:11:04 summatusmentis: heh, no. I was just a summer intern. Dec 11 04:11:13 chuck: they are all true. Dec 11 04:11:37 unix_infidel, how long do you get on your G1? Dec 11 04:11:47 chuck: 12 hours. Dec 11 04:11:56 I get 24 hours Dec 11 04:12:11 as long as I have a suitcase-sized external battery, of course Dec 11 04:12:22 12 hours is fine, really Dec 11 04:12:27 that's how long I get with my iPhone currently :P Dec 11 04:12:33 Leeds: you got the high capacity battery?> Dec 11 04:12:39 unix_infidel, I'm mainly talking about the reviews that say it gets like 2-5 hours Dec 11 04:12:52 I think the brightstar site is a little messed up Dec 11 04:13:00 chuck: with heavy use that's not totally unreasonable no. Dec 11 04:13:03 it says I have a dev phone in my cart, and that I haven't ordered anything. Dec 11 04:13:10 chuck: I did a simple test... unplugged my phone at 10am, used it absolutely normally, it was at 10% at 10am the following day Dec 11 04:13:14 But my credit card statement says otherwise Dec 11 04:13:21 anyone buult opensource for the g1? I'm getting "make: *** No rule to make target `vendor/htc/dream/proprietary/akmd' ..." even though I extracted akmd using the script. Dec 11 04:13:37 that's with some audio, SMS, IM, browsing, games, one call, etc. Dec 11 04:13:43 unix_infidel, that's with heavy use? :P my iPhone's battery life with heavy use is probably like 8 hours Dec 11 04:14:15 ttuttle: oh cool. were you GSoC before that? Dec 11 04:14:19 chuck: i'd believe that, though i'm not sure why. Dec 11 04:14:36 summatusmentis: no. I worked for iRobot the summer before. Dec 11 04:15:02 cool :) being a Googler is one of my goals in life :-P Dec 11 04:15:03 summatusmentis: That was the year before freshman year of college (I'm a sophomore now). Dec 11 04:15:03 in Soviet Union, iRobot works for _you_ Dec 11 04:15:05 oh wait Dec 11 04:15:10 offby1`: indeed Dec 11 04:15:23 ttuttle: oh, so you're way ahead of me then :) Dec 11 04:15:36 another thing I like about my iphone that the G1 wouldn't have is music and phone syncing, i hear you have to redownload your amazon tracks on your computer after you've purchased them Dec 11 04:15:57 chuck: no, just copy them off the sd card. Dec 11 04:16:10 chuck: amazon doesn't allow redownloading, afaik Dec 11 04:16:43 but they are just MP3 files, of course - no DRM or other similar crap Dec 11 04:16:43 I use my iphone for nothing anymore... it can last 5-7 days on near constant standby... my g1 once went from about 85% to dead overnight while on airplane mode Dec 11 04:16:58 Leeds, yeah, that's one nice thing, none of that iTunes DRM foolishness Dec 11 04:17:00 Fredbo: that's absolutely not my experience Dec 11 04:17:56 okay guys, I'm going opensource! Dec 11 04:18:04 ttuttle: using the OSS build? Dec 11 04:18:20 * chuck wonders what the difference is Dec 11 04:18:26 the OSS build has 80% less google than the non-Open Source version Dec 11 04:18:31 but all of the great taste Dec 11 04:19:07 I think some of my bad battery experience has had to do with backgrounded apps running cpu while on standby Dec 11 04:19:07 hehe Dec 11 04:19:15 (no maps, no streetview, no youtube, no gmail, no market... etc) - but I think it makes upfor it by giving you Snake on a Phone Dec 11 04:19:47 mofo snakes on a phone Dec 11 04:19:54 no market? O_o Dec 11 04:20:08 * chuck actually wants maps, streetview, youtube, gmail and market Dec 11 04:20:19 so I think I'll stick with the "non-OSS" build if/when I get my phone ^_^ Dec 11 04:20:52 i don't think a fully oss build exists, so thats kinda required Dec 11 04:21:22 that's odd, this sdcard came with music. Dec 11 04:22:02 congrats unix_infidel, you won! Dec 11 04:22:07 I want that mo*********** snake off that mo*********** phone Dec 11 04:22:26 marix: ok? Dec 11 04:22:30 unix_infidel: the phone -itself- comes with maybe a dozen tracks (none of which I've yet listened to) Dec 11 04:22:37 free stuff is always good right? Dec 11 04:22:38 what tracks are they? Dec 11 04:22:47 marix: free cholera! Dec 11 04:22:53 they're crappy tracks.. one of thems flight of the concords or something Dec 11 04:22:54 chuck: eclectic playlist... Dec 11 04:23:05 snadge: sounds right Dec 11 04:23:20 to tell chuck what they are, I'd have to paw through all the stuff that I _now_ have on it. Dec 11 04:23:22 chuck: yes, everything you hear about battery is about right. but that's pretty much true of the iPhone as well. Dec 11 04:23:23 i uploaded some of my own techno and hardcore music ;) Dec 11 04:23:24 that'd be tedious Dec 11 04:23:42 calibrating has helped but with mild use i get about 10% / hour Dec 11 04:24:59 * jbq scrolls back Dec 11 04:25:22 the iphone has backgrounding of apps turned off, that will help with battery life some... for example, something cpu intensive on the g1 can still run in the background if you don't kill it Dec 11 04:25:54 jota-: the restriction to 1700 and 2100 for 3G is a hardware restriction - no software update will fix that. Dec 11 04:26:00 Fredbo: i'd like to see more apps persist data not persist state when they dont quite need to. Dec 11 04:26:23 especially apps that rely heavily on the pipe like twidroid. Dec 11 04:26:42 ok jbq thx Dec 11 04:26:59 yeah I play the game trap! alot, its been known to drain my battery while backgrounded Dec 11 04:27:51 what are some good games available in the marketplace? Dec 11 04:28:11 chuck, androidapps.com is a good review site. Dec 11 04:28:28 chuck: none. nor were there for the iphone when it first came out. Dec 11 04:29:28 * chuck begs to differ Dec 11 04:29:46 Tap Tap Revenge is very good, and it came out at or very near the launch of the iPhone Dec 11 04:30:09 chuck, you get what you pay for... Dec 11 04:30:29 chuck: iphone sdk was released about 6 months ago. Dec 11 04:30:36 when the iphone first came out, there were no games for it Dec 11 04:31:08 * unix_infidel wanders off to peruse through browser source. Dec 11 04:31:36 Fredbo, yeah, there were :P Dec 11 04:31:54 as I said, Tap Tap Revenge, also Super Monkey Ball, Cro-Mag Rally, etc Dec 11 04:32:14 iphone 3g... Dec 11 04:32:20 and as I said, they didn't exist a year and a half ago Dec 11 04:32:27 ttuttle: I did a Dream build from the open-source tree and a G1 with a near-production build, and I was able to build. Didn't run well *ahem* but that's a different story. Dec 11 04:32:54 Fredbo, Those were all titles that were released at the same time as the App Store was, or at least very close to it Dec 11 04:33:27 oo, opera mobile for android? Dec 11 04:33:31 chuck, bonsai b last is good Dec 11 04:33:54 the official ea games tetris isn't bad Dec 11 04:34:08 but like i said, you get what you pay for... Dec 11 04:34:54 ryebrye, u should make a drumming app that uses multitouch. Dec 11 04:34:59 that'll be great Dec 11 04:35:22 * unix_infidel doesnt hesitate to point out that there isnt a multitouch framework. Dec 11 04:35:27 and i suspect there wont be an official one. Dec 11 04:35:42 unix_infidel: There will probably be an official one - just probably not for the G1 Dec 11 04:36:02 lieu10ant, the hack he used, while amazing, isn't the most responsive... Dec 11 04:36:06 Lieu10ant: Yeah, I thought about that - but the hack that I use for the proof of concept isn't really good enough to encourage others to use as a means to build apps on top of Dec 11 04:36:18 RyeBrye: yea, guessing from that elan code. Dec 11 04:36:44 maybe for ADP1. Dec 11 04:37:29 pretty cool that you could enable some functionality that seemed to be in the hardware but not in the software, though :P Dec 11 04:37:44 is the demo in the market? is that something that google would care about being in there? Dec 11 04:37:54 chuck: well we figured out that it was in the software, just not in the official software. Dec 11 04:37:58 The demo requires you to replace your kernel Dec 11 04:38:11 unix_infidel: it was you that pointed out the commented-out code, wasn't it? Dec 11 04:38:23 I was pretty firmly in the "can't do it" camp Dec 11 04:38:31 ... until I proved myself wrong Dec 11 04:39:22 were there any comments along with the commented out code, or was it just left as a mystery? Dec 11 04:39:34 Nope, just comments. Dec 11 04:39:39 is there any record of anything having been removed from the market? Dec 11 04:39:46 Forcibly? Dec 11 04:39:53 Don't know - but pterminal was taken from the market Dec 11 04:40:16 probably because it was kind of crap and the real term app was put up Dec 11 04:40:54 wondering how actively the app list is being managed, that's all Dec 11 04:41:19 *is* there a terminal available for the G1? Dec 11 04:41:23 Yeah Dec 11 04:41:33 * RyeBrye opens it up right now Dec 11 04:42:28 RyeBrye, available in the market? Dec 11 04:42:33 Yeah Dec 11 04:42:40 called "Terminal Emulator" - Google wrote it Dec 11 04:43:17 i think they have another on up there aswell Dec 11 04:43:36 or maybe im thinking of the telnet client... Dec 11 04:43:47 RyeBrye, oh, nice Dec 11 04:43:49 terminal emulator responds to trackball fyi. Dec 11 04:43:52 you're probably thinking of connectbot Dec 11 04:44:14 so the market is a lot more open than I thought it was, then Dec 11 04:44:27 2x a day i check for new apps and games in the market, its been quite lively this week. Dec 11 04:44:34 yeah, this week has been busy Dec 11 04:44:47 but still, ryebrye, i'm pretty sure it will work great with a drum app Dec 11 04:44:59 since all u are doing is pressing, not sliding your fingers Dec 11 04:45:21 It might work worse - actually - since it might miss the tap entirely :/ Dec 11 04:45:45 oh, i see. Dec 11 04:45:55 hmm, so u haven't found another way to multitouch? Dec 11 04:45:58 lieu10ant, on the video it appears slow, something that you just cant have when a beat is needed Dec 11 04:46:45 so what is it basically doing? alternatively registering the different points? one finger, then the other, then one finger, then the other, etc? Dec 11 04:46:48 Well... it's probaly also slow because I didn't erally bother to optimize it Dec 11 04:47:06 oh. i'm surprised noone else tried to pickup where u left off. Dec 11 04:47:10 Lieu10ant: I don't know how the hardware does it a low level - but it does report position for finger 1 and position for finger 2 if both are down - it doesn't hop between them Dec 11 04:47:13 maybe they thought u were planning something Dec 11 04:47:37 oh i see. Dec 11 04:47:47 If nobody else does, i might when the big source drop happens look at how to do it the right way Dec 11 04:47:59 like start putting it into the platform and such Dec 11 04:48:04 LOL Dec 11 04:48:05 dude Dec 11 04:48:08 big source drop? Dec 11 04:48:15 google image search "ryebrye blog" Dec 11 04:48:19 and look at the first result Dec 11 04:48:23 is it the fat kid? Dec 11 04:48:40 lolz Dec 11 04:48:40 yeah Dec 11 04:48:42 how did u know Dec 11 04:49:05 oh wtf, thats on ur blog? Dec 11 04:49:06 i want g1 Dec 11 04:49:07 ! Dec 11 04:49:13 :) Dec 11 04:49:28 that was just funny as hell lol. Dec 11 04:49:30 I don't know where I even found that pic, but I think I get tons of hits for that pic Dec 11 04:49:43 smart marketing. Dec 11 04:50:03 I'm #3 for "fat baby" in image search :) Dec 11 04:50:25 Consumerist stole the image that I stole and cropped it - and they are lower than I am Dec 11 04:51:17 wtf lol Dec 11 04:53:50 time for bed. nighty guys Dec 11 04:53:55 bye Dec 11 04:54:06 i want a custom boot image. Dec 11 04:54:13 but its too complicated :( Dec 11 04:54:17 damnit Dec 11 04:54:23 why couldn't i be more tech savvy? Dec 11 04:59:07 Lieu10ant: is there an easy 'restore' feature? Dec 11 05:01:00 um Dec 11 05:01:12 call button + end button + menu button Dec 11 05:02:09 but if you were to screw up the firmware, would it be fixable? if so, just try it? Dec 11 05:06:07 yes.. im running the modded TC5-RC8.. *dances* Dec 11 05:08:14 ok i need to root this new g1 i got Dec 11 05:08:22 where is the best place to read atm Dec 11 05:08:26 xda devs? Dec 11 05:10:11 http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page Dec 11 05:11:42 oh yes this is what i followed before thank yo usir Dec 11 05:13:00 d0nets: are you sure it is rootable? Dec 11 05:15:07 its r29 Dec 11 05:15:15 peachatronic Dec 11 05:15:22 thats good right ryebrye? Dec 11 05:15:28 are you already a unix geek or just aspiring? :) Dec 11 05:15:36 yes, good Dec 11 05:15:46 i just got it from tmo Dec 11 05:15:50 now, go forth and root Dec 11 05:15:56 so people might note Dec 11 05:16:19 if they didnt make it before rc30 Dec 11 05:16:43 * sparkle nods Dec 11 05:16:44 they might hope something mucks up and send it in for replacement Dec 11 05:17:04 i think it's just a logistical issue of how long they've been sitting in a box Dec 11 05:17:17 true dat Dec 11 05:17:28 this one feels like a different batch Dec 11 05:17:32 it has no squeek Dec 11 05:17:35 it feels more sturdy Dec 11 05:17:42 mine didn't squeek at first Dec 11 05:18:06 my first one squeeked like hell, but it slid really smooth and freely Dec 11 05:18:26 the new one doesnt squeek but it feels like its dragging or something when it slides Dec 11 05:18:49 but maybe i just need to break her in Dec 11 05:18:52 * JesusFreke squeaks Dec 11 05:18:52 ger her loose Dec 11 05:20:39 my other handset had a keyboard with really sunk in keys Dec 11 05:20:56 well, maybe not *really*, maybe 1mm shallower than the other one Dec 11 05:20:58 but it was annoying Dec 11 05:21:50 has anyone tried the blueant bluetooth speakerphones with the g1? Dec 11 05:22:01 d0nets: did you just get it as a warranty replacement? you should see if it has the engineering bootloader just for kicks Dec 11 05:24:21 hrmm Dec 11 05:24:22 explain Dec 11 05:24:25 how do i see Dec 11 05:24:59 boot into the boot loader (camera + power) Dec 11 05:25:12 if you see 3 androids on skateboards, you have the engineering bootloader Dec 11 05:25:34 if you just see the 4 color screen, no joy :) Dec 11 05:26:17 JesusFreke: Hit camera + power while it is booting? Dec 11 05:26:56 turn off the phone, and then press camera and power to turn it on Dec 11 05:27:33 Ok, thanks Dec 11 05:29:37 I'm guessing it's just the normal one - but there was one known case of someone getting lucky Dec 11 05:29:49 (which helped the rest of us get lucky) Dec 11 05:30:08 how do you get it out of the boot loader? Dec 11 05:30:24 pull the battery Dec 11 05:30:58 Anyone going to the Sprint dev thing on Friday? Dec 11 05:31:05 thanks Dec 11 05:35:41 how do i find connectbot on android market? Dec 11 05:35:50 i do a search for it.. its not there Dec 11 05:35:50 download the latest from the website Dec 11 05:35:56 it has some extra nice features Dec 11 05:36:06 like hiding the notification bar to gain more space, fixes for some terminal emulation bugs Dec 11 05:36:28 svn? Dec 11 05:36:29 http://code.google.com/p/connectbot/ Dec 11 05:36:40 the r143.apk Dec 11 05:37:18 connectbot++ Dec 11 05:37:45 i only have a couple niggles with it Dec 11 05:37:55 i should just shut up and submit patches though :) Dec 11 05:38:10 it needs a local terminal mode :) Dec 11 05:38:16 well yeah Dec 11 05:38:24 i want to add a -c none option Dec 11 05:38:26 no crypto Dec 11 05:39:01 it'd be nice if you could make some keys unlock automagically on startup Dec 11 05:42:48 sparkle: like a keychain? Dec 11 05:45:14 w00t Dec 11 05:45:25 looks like i might get a job in the datacenter Dec 11 05:45:32 Cool. pay raise? Dec 11 05:45:39 yeah Dec 11 05:45:47 $21/hr ish, lots of overtime Dec 11 05:45:48 Does danica patrick drop by often? Dec 11 05:45:53 nope lol Dec 11 05:46:31 i did "shadowing" today, but since they were understaffed they put me to work when they found i knew what i was doing Dec 11 05:46:40 Cool Dec 11 05:46:47 i built a couple batches of dedicated servers Dec 11 05:47:13 32 in total, 2 were doa Dec 11 05:48:45 what hardware? Dec 11 05:49:09 some dumbass tried editing his sshd_config file and changed permissions on some stuff and locked himself out of his server. at that point they were going to tell him to reprovision the server but i told them "nah, i can fix that, gimme 30 seconds" Dec 11 05:49:39 full systems Dec 11 06:04:03 is there a problem with the app store right now? Dec 11 06:07:32 JesusFreke: Yeah, I just built the opensource build. Dec 11 06:07:40 JesusFreke: whoops, meant that for jbq (although you might be interested too) Dec 11 06:07:50 Oh, I see. mJbqPresent is not true. Dec 11 06:09:25 * unix_remote wonders when irssi will implement intellisense like menu's for autocompletion. Dec 11 06:10:00 unix_remote: Never, I hope. Dec 11 06:10:05 unix_remote: Tab completion is awesome. Dec 11 06:10:09 unix_remote: Menus waste bandwidth. Dec 11 06:10:36 when it recognizes a certain threshold of parity. Dec 11 06:10:51 ttuttle: /names is already loaded no bandwidth required afaik. Dec 11 06:11:32 hey -- any free unlocks yet? Dec 11 06:12:11 unix_remote: No, I mean bandwidth between me and irssi, such as if I'm sshing to it. Dec 11 06:12:18 shad0w1e: :P Dec 11 06:12:24 shad0w1e: Make nice to your carrier and get it unlocked the right way. Dec 11 06:12:34 my carrier isnt tmo Dec 11 06:12:44 altho we do have a prepaid tmo Dec 11 06:12:57 i asked them and they said since this isnt a phone that was ever compatible with prepaid they cannot provide the code :( Dec 11 06:13:07 shad0w1e: So you've got a prepaid T-Mo sim and a sim for some other carrier, and you have a T-Mo locked G1? Dec 11 06:13:22 ttuttle, precisely Dec 11 06:13:27 shad0w1e: :( Dec 11 06:13:54 the prepaid sim doesnt have data so it wont even boot on the phone since first thing im prompted for is to connect to my google account.... Dec 11 06:14:14 shad0w1e: Can you get data for prepaid? Dec 11 06:14:34 shad0w1e: I mean, I think the easiest thing to do is to sign up with T-Mo for a month-to-month (no contract) plan for a few months, then ask them to unlock it. Dec 11 06:14:36 mayhaps, but a production all that would do is get me on wifi but still not allow me to use the other sim, correct? Dec 11 06:15:10 shad0w1e: Getting prepaid data would not unlock the radio, no. Dec 11 06:15:16 well they say they wont unlock it from a prepaid account .. Dec 11 06:15:53 i see turbosim for like $10 Dec 11 06:15:57 or unlock code for like $20 Dec 11 06:16:17 should i have a prefernce? Dec 11 06:16:53 i hear the turbosims are bad Dec 11 06:18:01 ah Dec 11 06:18:58 What's a turbosim? Dec 11 06:19:35 a sim card that has contacts on it that u slide in together with yoru SIM Dec 11 06:19:36 it's a shim SIM which sits between your SIM and the reader in your phone and bypasses various checks - like network locks, for example Dec 11 06:19:52 sounds scary... Dec 11 06:19:59 its oversized and causes damage to the sim slot Dec 11 06:20:22 unlock code is the go.. or knowing what i know now, just get the developer phone Dec 11 06:20:25 G1s are available in HK either unlocked, or with a turbosim thrown in - the unlocked ones are more expensive Dec 11 06:20:55 dev phone is $400 + $25 membership, rite? Dec 11 06:21:05 if you're in the US, yes Dec 11 06:21:11 yep Dec 11 06:21:18 shad0w1e: Plus shipping if you're outside US, which can be substantial. Dec 11 06:21:18 shad0w1e plus tax Dec 11 06:21:26 lol Dec 11 06:21:33 shad0w1e: Plus the intern fee. Dec 11 06:21:35 oh actually thats like another $35. Dec 11 06:21:50 k so i got a new G1 for $320... Dec 11 06:22:08 shad0w1e: But it's locked :( Dec 11 06:22:10 to be fair, the stupid shipping costs are a compbination of shipping and customs fees Dec 11 06:22:17 Leeds: Right. Dec 11 06:22:36 sounds like the top site is the way to go? Dec 11 06:22:54 just wanted to make sure there were no free alternatives, sounds not.. Dec 11 06:23:13 shad0w1e but there will be Dec 11 06:23:15 =) Dec 11 06:23:27 yea but who knows when :) Dec 11 06:23:31 shad0w1e: Frankly the entire unlocking industry is somewhat slimy. Make sure the site you pick has good reviews from people you trust. Dec 11 06:23:44 shad0w1e and i can thinkg there should be one already Dec 11 06:23:47 right. there are guys on ebay for a few $$ less Dec 11 06:23:51 just saying not that i know any Dec 11 06:23:56 but id rather not trust them with my IMEI Dec 11 06:24:07 theres this site which has unlocked so many phones, id trust them with my IMEI Dec 11 06:24:16 unlock-tmobileg1.com Dec 11 06:25:00 shad0w1e: Don't buy that sorta shit off ebay, good choice. Dec 11 06:25:08 shad0w1e: Why would any legit unlocker use ebay? Dec 11 06:25:13 worth the extra $3 IMO Dec 11 06:25:25 yup yup yup Dec 11 06:25:40 well usually i check ebay to see if anyone is offering "unlimited unlocks" Dec 11 06:25:53 if thats the case, i assume theres free software avail Dec 11 06:25:58 and then I get full-on googling Dec 11 06:26:14 hey - i just thought of something. maybe ishould use something like ask or altavista to look for a free unlock!!! Dec 11 06:27:41 k so looks like im paying the $23. thanks guys Dec 11 06:27:52 shad0w1e well just wait for some1 make it for free, and since its android it will be soon Dec 11 06:28:12 if there was an ETA, id wait. but right now i have a paperweight Dec 11 06:28:17 P1ro: Please, is "someone" so much to type? Dec 11 06:28:35 shad0w1e: It's worth the $23, just do it. You're still coming out ahead compared to buying an unlocked phone by $40-50. Dec 11 06:29:02 right but heres my Q Dec 11 06:29:05 whats the name of the android market app reviews site? Dec 11 06:29:17 can i get the android developer account? or can that only unlock a phone purchased from google for $400 ? Dec 11 06:29:28 shad0w1e: Android developer accounts cannot unlock phones. Dec 11 06:29:38 astalavisa is still there??? Dec 11 06:29:50 t-mobile can unlock your G1 for free. Dec 11 06:29:58 i said altavista Dec 11 06:30:02 but astalavista is prolly there too :) Dec 11 06:30:04 tell them you're planning a trip in the near future to europe Dec 11 06:30:09 ah, sorry :-) Dec 11 06:30:12 tried Dec 11 06:30:22 how long have you had the G1 Dec 11 06:30:27 * ttuttle needs to sleep. OS final tomorrow. Dec 11 06:30:36 got it today Dec 11 06:30:40 ttuttle: good luck Dec 11 06:30:41 You need to wait until after the buyers remorse Dec 11 06:30:48 err Dec 11 06:30:52 ahaha Dec 11 06:30:56 until the buyers remorse period expires Dec 11 06:30:59 i can just ebay it when im done toying around Dec 11 06:31:09 yep Dec 11 06:31:20 or who knows... maybe ill like it better than my iphone Dec 11 06:31:33 do you do any java programming? Dec 11 06:31:38 yup Dec 11 06:31:43 then you'll love it Dec 11 06:31:52 but i hate java Dec 11 06:31:53 lol Dec 11 06:31:57 that's life Dec 11 06:32:07 iphone has java compiler on it too Dec 11 06:32:30 put it this way Dec 11 06:32:45 can anyone remember the name of the android market apps review site that was given in here earlier? Dec 11 06:32:52 imagine all the times you wish you had dev's "that" app, when the iphone first came out Dec 11 06:32:58 well, now you can, for the G1 Dec 11 06:33:06 let the good times roll Dec 11 06:33:26 chuck, androidapps.com is a good review site. Dec 11 06:33:36 cheers iNToIT Dec 11 06:33:43 o/ Dec 11 06:33:52 iphone had the toolchain pretty soon after... Dec 11 06:33:58 shad0w1e, where are you? Dec 11 06:34:08 USA Dec 11 06:34:16 def get a developer phone Dec 11 06:34:23 y Dec 11 06:36:06 can i build apps on a non dev phone? Dec 11 06:36:22 and do all that haxor shell stuff? Dec 11 06:37:36 if youhave root Dec 11 06:38:17 well fear me! Dec 11 06:38:39 what i mean is... is the consumer phone functionally any different to the dev phone? Dec 11 06:38:52 yes Dec 11 06:39:13 you do not have to have rc29 or lower to get root on it, you can flash whatever you want Dec 11 06:39:21 if you have root, not really Dec 11 06:39:38 huh? Dec 11 06:39:45 consumer phones do not have root, you have to obtain that yourself then do stuff to keep it Dec 11 06:39:49 ???? Dec 11 06:39:55 ohhh Dec 11 06:40:06 so basically i have to keep rehacking it to maintain root Dec 11 06:40:08 = not fun Dec 11 06:40:13 no Dec 11 06:41:41 sounds like its as simple as installing terminal and starting telnetd ? Dec 11 06:41:54 that is the start Dec 11 06:42:24 have google revised the dev phone shipping costs? Dec 11 06:42:44 so once i enable root.... is it equivalent to a dev phone? Dec 11 06:43:30 (until an update) Dec 11 06:43:44 then, the dev phones remain root whereas mine will prolly need to be rehacked , it seems... Dec 11 06:45:42 deebo: why would you ask that? Dec 11 06:45:59 because the phone costs 399 and shipping 200 Dec 11 06:46:06 and thats insane by any standards Dec 11 06:46:13 where are you? Dec 11 06:46:16 the simplest thing to do, will be to flash your t-mobile g1s, wit the dev code.. as soon as thats available Dec 11 06:46:18 finland Dec 11 06:46:25 same thing for most of europe Dec 11 06:46:25 and what is the VAT level in FInland? Dec 11 06:46:33 http://phandroid.com/2008/12/10/google-bringing-ringtones-wallpaper-to-android-market/ seen this? Dec 11 06:46:47 RyeBrye: speculation Dec 11 06:46:56 noooooo! :P Dec 11 06:47:01 * snadge piffs g1 in the bin Dec 11 06:47:03 I'm still waiting for any sign at all of how the pay-for market is going to work Dec 11 06:48:19 i cant download namco's pacman from market.. it says its free, then comes up with an error saying i havn't paid for it.. wtf? :P Dec 11 06:48:45 snadge: Really? Dec 11 06:48:49 * RyeBrye hoardes away his pacman Dec 11 06:49:37 yeah, I had that problem too Dec 11 06:49:55 RyeBrye: this is with jf's T5 RC8 or whatever Dec 11 06:55:34 Anyone else here wish Pandora radio worked on the G1? Dec 11 06:56:26 Yeah Dec 11 06:56:31 I like Pandora better than imeem Dec 11 06:57:06 it seems like imeem plays really cool songs at first and then phases them out into some emo crap every time Dec 11 06:57:21 it takes about 1/2 hour Dec 11 07:05:39 * sparkle sighs Dec 11 07:08:00 What's wrong sparkle? Dec 11 07:17:24 hey thanks everyone for all the advice Dec 11 07:45:26 morning all Dec 11 07:47:25 hi there, i've got a question regarding tutorial #1 ( http://code.google.com/android/intro/tutorial-ex1.html ) i'm told that the default view is "@android:id/empty" right? but where in the code-files does the view change into "@android:id/list", the ListView? Dec 11 07:47:46 or what triggers the change? Dec 11 07:49:15 JesusFreke, now I remember where I saw your name, I owe you a debt of gratitude :) Dec 11 07:50:06 kennyyu, sry if I don't understand your question right but I'll still try to answer - the TextView with the id @android:id/empty is shown when your list doesn't contain anything... as soon as it contains something, the view is changed to the ListView with the id @android:id/list Dec 11 07:51:59 kennyyu, if you use a ListActivity, then the ListActivity decides if it displays the View with the id @android:id/empty or @android:id/list based on the content of the list Dec 11 07:52:25 tauno: many thanks for trying to answer ;) but my question is that where in the code has handled the event that 'as soon as it contains something' with the corresponding action 'the view is changed'? Dec 11 07:52:27 oh... Dec 11 07:52:46 so you mean the ListActivity should automatically do this for me? Dec 11 07:52:49 yes Dec 11 07:52:55 :) Dec 11 07:53:00 :) thanks for your perfect answer Dec 11 07:53:36 "The View with the empty id is used automatically when the ListAdapter has no data for the ListView." Dec 11 07:55:51 eh... yes, and the previous sentence : "The list and empty IDs are provided for us by the Android platform, so, we must prefix the id with android: (e.g., @android:id/list)." Dec 11 07:56:12 i guess this should be what you're telling me as well :) Dec 11 07:56:20 * kennyyu overlooked it Dec 11 08:08:28 foxdie: how's that? Dec 11 08:09:04 mm Dec 11 08:09:13 i got my android dev box together Dec 11 08:09:26 coo :) Dec 11 08:12:06 JesusFreke, erm.. providing most of the resources to permanently keep root on my G1? ;) Dec 11 08:12:21 lol :) Dec 11 08:12:48 * Foxdie gives JesusFreke a cookie Dec 11 08:12:54 and not a cheap one either. Dec 11 08:13:40 oohttp://msp228.photobucket.com/albums/ee212/not_dead_yet_2007/cookie-monster.jpg Dec 11 08:14:09 * Foxdie smirks Dec 11 08:14:21 tempted to set that as my G1's wallpaper to confuse my coworkers Dec 11 08:14:29 rofl :) Dec 11 08:14:44 try this one instead. lol Dec 11 08:14:45 http://vitruvianmind.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/cookie-monster-diet.jpg Dec 11 08:15:53 Is it fair to expect to be able to talk to my G1 with the adb tool? Dec 11 08:16:05 lmao Dec 11 08:16:06 deal Dec 11 08:16:18 That's not helpful? Dec 11 08:16:34 Is it possible? Dec 11 08:16:35 I was responding to JF Dec 11 08:16:37 bensonk, I don't think she was talking to you :) Dec 11 08:16:40 Oh, okay. Dec 11 08:16:40 lol Dec 11 08:16:42 "SHE"!? Dec 11 08:16:49 not a she? Dec 11 08:16:52 I know I've got moobs, but damn :) Dec 11 08:16:54 * sparkle coughs Dec 11 08:16:57 sorry. heh :p Dec 11 08:17:05 haha no offence taken :) Dec 11 08:17:30 I've installed the android tools, adb talks fine to an emulator, but my device (connected via usb) does not show up in adb -d Dec 11 08:17:33 or adb devices Dec 11 08:17:45 and I would really like to know if that's expected or if it's abnormal. Dec 11 08:17:47 you probably need to install the usb driver Dec 11 08:17:49 (I'm very hard to insult, and I have a messed up sense of humour, comes from watching too much adult swim hehe) Dec 11 08:18:08 Where can I find instructions for doing that on a linux box? Dec 11 08:18:12 why would that be offensive :S Dec 11 08:18:22 should sparkle or cmonex be offended for being female? Dec 11 08:18:31 how dare you! Dec 11 08:18:34 lol, jk Dec 11 08:18:35 I'm not sure bensonk. I've only done it in windows :) Dec 11 08:18:44 I haven't found any references to a usb driver in the sdk Dec 11 08:18:47 actually, lemme find a link Dec 11 08:18:48 hah Dec 11 08:19:00 sparkles a lass? Dec 11 08:19:03 cmonex makes me proud to share chromosones ;) Dec 11 08:19:10 yep, she is Dec 11 08:19:26 cool, glad to see that this rooms about equality :) Dec 11 08:19:29 android attracts a lot of females who wish to pull it apart Dec 11 08:19:34 ... Dec 11 08:19:36 equal? not really Dec 11 08:19:38 the heartless bitches Dec 11 08:19:45 how can they tear apart something so sweet? Dec 11 08:19:55 (j/k hehe) Dec 11 08:20:28 i think its cool that 2 of the top android "hackers" are females Dec 11 08:20:42 who are they? Dec 11 08:20:45 maybe geek phones wont be a male thing for much longer Dec 11 08:20:54 sparkle and cmonex Dec 11 08:20:56 Yeah, our time has passed dude :/ Dec 11 08:21:37 a year ago id never say "my phone runs linux" in front of a female Dec 11 08:21:38 lol Dec 11 08:21:51 My phone won't talk to my computer. :-( Dec 11 08:21:57 My computer runs linux. Dec 11 08:21:59 bensonk, try this: Dec 11 08:22:00 http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:y2O0q_FxRsUJ:code.google.com/android/intro/develop-and-debug.html+android+usb+driver&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us Dec 11 08:22:05 i'm just a dabbler Dec 11 08:22:11 :) Dec 11 08:22:14 actually, on a slightly serious note, I think its cool, I've been in the "hacker pda / phone" circles for a few years, its kinda cool for women to get in on the act, provide new perspectives Dec 11 08:22:19 for some reason it's not on the actual page atm. I had to find it in google's cache Dec 11 08:22:41 look for the "developing on device hardware" section Dec 11 08:22:47 Thank you. Dec 11 08:22:50 You're awesome. Dec 11 08:22:53 has a tidbit on how to get it working in linux Dec 11 08:23:02 do I get another cookie? Dec 11 08:23:09 :) Dec 11 08:23:29 you know, there's one left in the office here from last night, if you wanna fly to the UK, you can have it ;) Dec 11 08:23:37 tempting :D Dec 11 08:24:21 "this year, the christmas hit movie of the year won't be four christmas', it'll be how one man flew 9000 miles for a cookie" Dec 11 08:24:25 i was completely surprised at all the hot girls that work at godaddy as tech support Dec 11 08:24:32 id never have imagined it Dec 11 08:24:54 I think its pretty awesome Dec 11 08:25:26 I've always thought it vain how the prettiest of girls would limit their potential by doing stuff like cheerleading and becoming tour guides Dec 11 08:25:46 Change isn't always a bad thing :) Dec 11 08:25:46 most arent limiting themselves Dec 11 08:26:04 they relied on looks so long they didnt learn or become interested in other things Dec 11 08:26:14 well yeah, thats what I mean Dec 11 08:26:16 some actually are stupid because of it Dec 11 08:26:19 JesusFreke: That didn't seem to work. Dec 11 08:26:32 hmm Dec 11 08:26:35 But I need to go to bed, so I guess that's all for now. Dec 11 08:26:36 :-( Dec 11 08:26:39 Thanks, though. Dec 11 08:26:42 bensonk, sec Dec 11 08:26:45 ok Dec 11 08:26:54 sparkle, if us talking about women like this is at all offensive, please don't hesitate to tell us to STFU :) Dec 11 08:26:58 make sure you try it with a usb cord that has ferrite beads on it Dec 11 08:27:08 wait Dec 11 08:27:08 i like a hot chick that can keep up with computer related chat Dec 11 08:27:09 woah Dec 11 08:27:20 I just restarted adb's server, and it works. Dec 11 08:27:21 you rock. Dec 11 08:27:33 ah. lol Dec 11 08:27:34 glad I could help :p Dec 11 08:27:34 false alarm Dec 11 08:27:36 it just made noises Dec 11 08:27:41 damnit Dec 11 08:27:43 noises? Dec 11 08:27:44 I fail. Dec 11 08:27:45 DarkriftX, I think thats the dream of most geeks Dec 11 08:27:49 noises isn't good. Dec 11 08:27:52 Like, "daemon not running" Dec 11 08:27:58 proverbial noises. Dec 11 08:28:01 It output things. Dec 11 08:28:02 ah Dec 11 08:28:02 lol Dec 11 08:28:04 :) Dec 11 08:28:12 but once it started the daemon, it said "no devices" Dec 11 08:28:12 "it beeped at me!" Dec 11 08:28:14 and if she can tell you how many octets in an ip address, thats just hawt Dec 11 08:28:24 yeah, I don't really know. I haven't played with it on linux. sorry :/ Dec 11 08:28:27 I'm using the cable that came with my machine. Dec 11 08:28:29 No problem. Dec 11 08:28:32 I'm going to bed, though. Dec 11 08:28:32 bensonk, whats your kernel log say for usb devices? Dec 11 08:28:35 'night guys. Dec 11 08:28:41 night bensonk Dec 11 08:28:45 scsi 10:0:0:0: Direct-Access HTC Android Phone 0100 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 Dec 11 08:28:46 * DarkriftX needs sleep too Dec 11 08:28:47 gn all Dec 11 08:28:52 sleep well guys Dec 11 08:29:00 I've got a day of work ahead of me x.x Dec 11 08:29:16 which will mostly be spent slacking off playing with my G1 ^_^ Dec 11 08:29:43 Foxdie: Can you talk to your G1 with adb? Dec 11 08:29:52 nope because I'm on a powerpc mac Dec 11 08:30:01 I'm gonna try it on a intel mac later today Dec 11 08:30:05 I'll let you know if I have any success Dec 11 08:30:15 Ahh, okay. Dec 11 08:30:19 thanks. Dec 11 08:30:25 I'm going to hang out here and I'll read the log later. Dec 11 08:30:27 'night! Dec 11 08:30:29 np : Dec 11 08:30:30 :) Dec 11 08:30:34 nn Dec 11 08:30:58 * Foxdie cranks up the metal in the office before people get here, starts to set up a mac mini to dev on Dec 11 08:32:29 metal? try some corvus corax. pure german mediaeval goodness Dec 11 08:32:39 well I say metal Dec 11 08:32:41 its more alternative rock Dec 11 08:32:55 .977 alt rock shoutcast station Dec 11 08:33:25 what kinda music you into JF? Dec 11 08:34:20 heh. I have some pretty eclectic tastes Dec 11 08:34:22 what is this an AOL chatroom? Dec 11 08:34:32 :p Dec 11 08:34:42 whats wrong with being social jasta? :P Dec 11 08:34:43 everyone's asleep anyway :p Dec 11 08:34:50 is it a lost art for android geeks? Dec 11 08:36:15 let's see. solo tabla, just about anything with didgeridoo in it, scandinavial folk, gamelan, North Indian classical, movie scores.. Dec 11 08:36:29 gregorian chants every now and then Dec 11 08:36:48 seriously? Dec 11 08:36:52 yeah Dec 11 08:37:00 each to their own I guess :) Dec 11 08:37:08 He practices saying all that to appear interesting Dec 11 08:37:16 heh Dec 11 08:37:16 :| Dec 11 08:37:20 I can show you my mp3 list if you want :p Dec 11 08:37:49 I could handle it. I like some of that, just not as my main course Dec 11 08:37:50 I believe you, just can't say I can associate with any of those kinds of music, and I like a wide range too Dec 11 08:38:04 like I said.. eclectic :p Dec 11 08:38:14 rock, dance, some classical (mainstream though, ie. bach) Dec 11 08:38:24 that isnt a wide range Dec 11 08:38:31 lol Dec 11 08:38:40 thats just some, I guess I'd just try and listen to it and see Dec 11 08:39:00 I either like it or I don't, but if I don't, I don't diss it, my belief in life is "each to their own" Dec 11 08:39:11 you don't "diss" it? :) Dec 11 08:39:18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDISXCBUXhg&feature=channel_page Dec 11 08:39:21 <--- me playing Dec 11 08:40:18 watching now Dec 11 08:40:28 just audio, sorry :/ Dec 11 08:40:32 no wonder you like Five :) Dec 11 08:40:50 ohh Dec 11 08:40:59 yeah, I have trouble fitting my music collection on an sd card :D Dec 11 08:41:04 sparkle = female? i don't feel alone now =) Dec 11 08:41:18 JesusFreke: ditto, of course, but mine is very narrow and snobby. Dec 11 08:41:33 lol Dec 11 08:41:40 the lion's share being indie rock, categorically opposed to anything mainstream :) Dec 11 08:42:02 yeah, that's what I gathered from your screenshots :) Dec 11 08:42:27 speaking of which, i need to update those Dec 11 08:42:32 i will do that tomorrow Dec 11 08:43:00 rofl Dec 11 08:43:02 http://www.woot.com/ Dec 11 08:43:17 heh Dec 11 08:43:24 I'm in #wootoff on another network Dec 11 08:43:35 JesusFreke: that looks like its from Team America Dec 11 08:43:37 gotta love somma the wacky USB crap they've been peddaling lately Dec 11 08:43:57 yeah, I dropped in on the #wootoff on here, but it was dead Dec 11 08:44:06 #wootoff on efnet is lively Dec 11 08:44:14 at least during wootoffs Dec 11 08:44:16 EFNet is still alive? Dec 11 08:44:26 I wouldn't categorize it as life Dec 11 08:44:31 but it exists Dec 11 08:44:51 * jasta is very happy freenode exists. IRC would be dead to me otherwise :) Dec 11 08:45:30 anyway, night folks. i have an...odd day ahead of me tomorrow. Dec 11 08:45:41 gl jasta ;) Dec 11 08:45:58 hehe yes :) Dec 11 08:53:51 Does someone know where the action for received SMS lies ? Dec 11 08:54:36 ah found it Dec 11 08:55:13 jasta: I will explain what I asked yesterday later on. I had to go away yesterday :/ Dec 11 09:06:33 * sparkle laughs Dec 11 09:06:52 :) Dec 11 09:07:33 sparkle: having a day of expressive noises, are we? Dec 11 09:07:39 yeah well Dec 11 09:07:42 it's that kinda day Dec 11 09:07:45 i feel burnt out :p Dec 11 09:08:22 it's past 5pm here, and I've had a somewhat productive day... Dec 11 09:09:11 sweet, mail.google.com can send SMS messages now Dec 11 09:09:21 US only Dec 11 09:09:25 I wonder how long till the g1 gets only Dec 11 09:09:34 is there anything else? ;-) Dec 11 09:11:31 meh, gmail is all faily-faily Dec 11 09:12:17 I wonder what TMO thinks about it Dec 11 09:25:40 I have to ask once more. Is there an action notifying for incoming sms messages (or email messages) ? Dec 11 09:25:58 oh, I thought you found it Dec 11 09:26:11 I'm curious about similar for XMPP messages Dec 11 09:34:30 anno^da_: sure there is Dec 11 09:40:41 djc: how is the one for sms called ? Dec 11 09:40:56 that I can catch with a BrocastReceiver Dec 11 09:42:34 anno^da_: I have no clue Dec 11 09:42:40 And I'm curious if I can override the default LED settings for incoming SMS when I set my own BroadcastReceiver for SMS active. (does this receiver override the normal sms settings?) Dec 11 09:42:55 Well :) yeah there had been Actions in 0.9 Dec 11 09:43:07 but they dropped the android.provider.Telephony :/ Dec 11 09:43:40 hrmpf Dec 11 09:43:46 C pointer arithmetic confused me Dec 11 09:44:12 aw Dec 11 09:44:14 and still confuses me Dec 11 09:44:41 a = (double *) ( aa + (L2 - (lui)aa%L2)); Dec 11 09:44:48 should a always be higher than AA Dec 11 09:44:53 er aa Dec 11 09:45:22 ugh Dec 11 09:45:27 shouldn't a always be higher than aa. Dec 11 09:45:45 depends on the value of lui Dec 11 09:45:53 er Dec 11 09:45:53 lui = long unsigned int Dec 11 09:45:56 no i read that backwards Dec 11 09:46:01 oh well yeah Dec 11 09:46:19 because x - a%x will always be positive Dec 11 09:46:27 it's not 8-( Dec 11 09:46:51 wtf are you doing? :) Dec 11 09:46:54 heh Dec 11 09:47:21 a=3085905864 aa=3084169224 aa-a=-217080 Dec 11 09:47:41 oh wait Dec 11 09:47:42 heh Dec 11 09:47:45 nevermind Dec 11 09:48:31 but a = (double *) is strange anyway Dec 11 09:48:33 :) Dec 11 09:48:49 why? Dec 11 09:49:00 ah yay Dec 11 09:49:02 sun_vndr/usb(sun_usb) :) Dec 11 09:49:32 basically a need a set of pointers with a very particular alignments for testing cpu/cache Dec 11 09:50:09 * sparkle nods Dec 11 09:50:17 DIY lmbench? Dec 11 09:50:55 ya Dec 11 09:50:58 well so much more Dec 11 09:51:12 lmbench tells you rather little about today's memory systems Dec 11 09:51:18 well at least desktop/server ones anwyays Dec 11 09:51:20 * sparkle nods Dec 11 09:51:35 it's well suited for the g1 ;-) Dec 11 09:51:47 part of it's that latency has gotten so complicated Dec 11 09:52:02 memory really does have a seek time now :-/ Dec 11 09:53:32 heh, that and various parts of the memory hierarchy are shared Dec 11 09:53:51 i've come to the realization after trying to diagnose performance problems in way-to-big-oracle-installs Dec 11 09:53:54 that, well Dec 11 09:53:55 and of course servers now have 3,4, even 6 memory systems Dec 11 09:54:11 can't learn much with a single thread these days Dec 11 09:54:12 in the end you can throw all the resources you want at it Dec 11 09:54:24 but if the schema is wasteful, the indexes bad, or the algorithm poor Dec 11 09:54:37 it's going to suck to the O(N^max) Dec 11 09:55:26 hell I built a cheapie desktop today Dec 11 09:55:34 3 memory systems, and 8 cores Dec 11 09:55:39 oy Dec 11 09:56:00 with 6GB ram no less Dec 11 09:56:13 $650 ish Dec 11 09:56:23 resused the disk, case, and power supply Dec 11 09:56:29 not that it would have added much Dec 11 09:57:27 on the other hand, you can get a terabyte disc for barely over US$100 Dec 11 09:58:07 hmm Dec 11 09:58:38 yeah, I was kinda shocked that unlike historically the largest drive is the cheapest per GB Dec 11 09:58:42 but no easy way to back it up. Dec 11 09:58:47 buy another Dec 11 09:58:51 only way Dec 11 09:58:53 that's not a backup Dec 11 09:58:53 put it somewhere different Dec 11 09:58:58 why not? Dec 11 09:59:23 how do i rotate through a 40 or 50 of them? Dec 11 09:59:25 like Dec 11 09:59:40 for a desktop backup? Dec 11 09:59:48 er, buy 40-50 of them Dec 11 09:59:51 archiving, offsiting, library robot handling Dec 11 09:59:58 that ain't a desktop Dec 11 10:00:07 are your 40-50 tapes cheaper than 1.5TB disks? Dec 11 10:00:28 then again, there's also a lack of sane ways to backup lots of server data without spending stupid amounts of money Dec 11 10:01:00 buy server full of disks ship to location A Dec 11 10:01:01 no, but media handling cost is much less and they're much simpler Dec 11 10:01:06 buy server full of disks ship to location B Dec 11 10:01:13 i use a hybrid approach at work - mostly online disk backups onsite, and tape offsite Dec 11 10:01:18 then either sends diffs over the network (encrypted of course) Dec 11 10:01:28 or pay folks to schlep servers around Dec 11 10:01:48 * sparkle sighs Dec 11 10:02:28 ever hear of a company called usa.net? Dec 11 10:02:35 anyone home? Dec 11 10:02:36 http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Replace_Recovery_Partition Dec 11 10:02:42 maybe, vaguely. Dec 11 10:02:52 http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Keeping_Root Dec 11 10:02:56 are t hose the same thing? Dec 11 10:04:13 they don't sound like the same thing Dec 11 10:04:35 or look Dec 11 10:09:52 in any case I'm a fan of sprinking ~10T servers around into different buildings for backups, granted the software could be better (and I'm working on that) Dec 11 10:12:58 ah, crap I found the problem Dec 11 10:13:12 *a-*b isn't subtracting the pointers Dec 11 10:13:43 well double *a,*b; c=a-b isn't subracting the pointers Dec 11 10:13:58 it's subtracting the pointers / sizeof(double) Dec 11 10:16:38 hmm, which version of eclipse do you need to develop for android? Dec 11 10:16:46 JAVA EE or regular? Dec 11 10:17:04 regular Dec 11 10:17:10 i think Dec 11 10:17:33 you can install needed dependencies later Dec 11 10:17:59 doesn't really matter I think.. but try the regular - it's smaller afaik :) Dec 11 10:18:16 spikebike: of course. you can iterate by a++ and it increases correctly by sizeof(double) Dec 11 10:18:48 thats why i wondered about your code. it makes no sense to me. Dec 11 10:19:15 getting the regular now, thanks Dec 11 10:19:26 this is gonna be a trial by fire Dec 11 10:19:37 all I know is php and a bit of javascript, lol Dec 11 10:21:22 tric yup, I knew that, just been awhile. Dec 11 10:23:06 Foxdie, happy learning :) Dec 11 10:23:33 thanks, I guess :) Dec 11 10:29:31 Does someone know why we cant get the Provider Changed Action with the broadcast receiver when the action is sent by the gmail app ? Dec 11 10:30:11 (the receiver is actually working since I can catch the action for the airplane mode pretty finde) Dec 11 10:30:19 fine Dec 11 10:31:13 does a requestLayout() also trigger a invalidate()? (eg vill the views be redrawn after requesting requestLayout()?) Dec 11 10:31:23 ..have to try I guess.. Dec 11 10:31:26 :) Dec 11 10:37:02 yeah spikebike Dec 11 10:37:17 because a[i] == *(a+i) Dec 11 10:52:19 Cool, it works Dec 11 10:52:30 no each of my threads can have their own fraction of cache without any conflicts Dec 11 10:52:35 now^ Dec 11 10:52:51 cache line aligned even Dec 11 11:19:06 any one know how much after payment for G1 development that arrived ? Dec 11 11:20:48 Milad: that sentence seems weird Dec 11 11:21:03 but I haven't heard anything from my order, if that's what you're asking Dec 11 11:22:06 anyone here received his/her dev 1 phone yet? Dec 11 11:23:14 is it possible, with GNU/Linux, use Android as a G3modem through USB connection at full speed? Dec 11 11:23:23 djc, yep :D, and when you order ? Dec 11 11:24:31 djc, on of my finds is in Canada(I am not there) and if they send device after 3 days I want to order that Dec 11 11:24:39 Milad, I ordered this past weekend and I still have not heard a thing. Dec 11 11:24:47 But they did charge my card Dec 11 11:24:54 (immediately on order) Dec 11 11:25:00 :tnz Dec 11 11:25:02 tnx Dec 11 11:26:41 yeah, I ordered on Sunday Dec 11 11:27:05 haven't checked my credit card, but haven't heard anything except order confirmation Dec 11 11:53:14 Does someone know if it is possible to override the SMS LED notification? I can catch incoming SMS and so something with my Broadcast Receiver but is there a possibility to rate my Notification Higher than the other one? Perhaps some values in the intent filter settings in the manifest? Dec 11 12:07:09 priority could help but what is the highest priority - just int is a really bad description :) Dec 11 12:17:39 i cant get into market grr Dec 11 12:23:28 anno^da_: why don't you just look at the source for the normal SMS app? Dec 11 12:24:49 djc: Sometimes I have to slap myself. :) You are right. :/ Dec 11 12:26:44 anyone able to get into market Dec 11 12:28:14 yeah Dec 11 12:28:18 I can get to the market Dec 11 12:28:24 (in Germany) Dec 11 12:31:38 Where is the best place (when ordering from the USA) to get the g1 usb to headphone adapter? Dec 11 12:34:09 wohoooo Dec 11 12:34:43 anno^da_: I guess I merit a thanks in your README now? ;) Dec 11 12:43:39 djc: sure :) Dec 11 12:43:53 anno^da_: what are you building? :) Dec 11 12:44:55 Well I'm just upgrading my MissedCall app Dec 11 12:44:57 from the market Dec 11 12:45:18 what does it do? :) Dec 11 12:45:39 customizable flashing led for missed calls! Dec 11 12:45:43 Well at the moment just simple LED notifications for missed calls :D Dec 11 12:45:55 (because the system lacks that notification) Dec 11 12:46:16 is there a place to view the market in an organized fashion rather than one long list of applications? By category for example? Dec 11 12:46:33 er the market has a ton of categories Dec 11 12:46:35 i cant get into the market Dec 11 12:46:45 20.000 active installs right now :P for such a simple app. I had not expected that to get that high. Dec 11 12:46:52 via web browser (not on g1)? Dec 11 12:47:21 i cant believe you got 20k installs Dec 11 12:47:23 im jealous Dec 11 12:47:24 the main page has a showcased app and then a list of apps on the bottom...that's it Dec 11 12:47:43 i have like 12 and its been a month at least Dec 11 12:48:06 no categories that I can see Dec 11 12:48:18 blau-MikeDG: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/287197/missed_23000.jpg Dec 11 12:48:44 nice Dec 11 12:48:52 85% Dec 11 12:49:13 yeah it dropped a bit. But well thats ok for me. :) Dec 11 12:49:17 what am I missing? How do you view via categories? Dec 11 12:49:43 BlindOracle: on your phone only, I think Dec 11 12:49:53 djc that stinks Dec 11 12:49:56 thanks Dec 11 12:50:31 given that apps tend to drive a platform rather than the other way around, that seems odd to me Dec 11 12:51:19 djc: in the next version you get credit :D Dec 11 12:51:46 anno^da_: cool, thanks! :D Dec 11 13:08:42 why can't I think out such simple apps.. all my apps and ideas require at least a month devel time and a central server of some kind :/ Ok.. I can think of some simple thing but then I think to myself "who on earth will install such a simple thing?" and skip it.. Dec 11 13:09:19 tauno: I have the same problem :) Dec 11 13:10:44 ..and then there are people who make things like flashlights (eg display a simple white background) or a lighter (display a static picture of a lighter) and people go like "OMG OMG.. thats the best app I've seen in my whole life!!1!11oneoneone" :) Dec 11 13:11:03 thats the iphone users for you Dec 11 13:11:12 simple things make them happy Dec 11 13:11:13 ;] Dec 11 13:11:21 I'm just jealous :) Dec 11 13:12:34 tauno: dont lump missed call into that crap Dec 11 13:14:48 blau-MikeDG, I'm not.. I'm speaking generally (more hinting @ flashlights and stuff) Dec 11 13:14:51 ahh ok Dec 11 13:14:59 flashlights are useful though Dec 11 13:15:04 of course most of them suck Dec 11 13:15:31 they are just blank screens that require you to find the app and click on it Dec 11 13:15:33 sure they are it's just.. jealousy :) Dec 11 13:15:35 often blindg yourself in the process Dec 11 13:15:48 whats really need is a flashlight that binds to the camera Dec 11 13:15:51 button Dec 11 13:15:56 cause the camera is fucking useless Dec 11 13:16:37 ill get to work on it Dec 11 13:18:22 :) Dec 11 13:19:48 so you dont have to look at the phone in pitch dark conditions Dec 11 13:20:02 * bgupta_ is wondering if there are gonna be local ANdroid Markets. Someone should port Flashlight to the UK G1 and call it "Torch".. Dec 11 13:20:47 Local Android Markets meaning different markets for different countries and languages Dec 11 13:23:41 3 new versions of my apps today! Dec 11 13:23:52 cause stupid amazon killed their honor system payments Dec 11 13:24:16 and i still cant get to the market Dec 11 13:30:26 weird that the Andriod Market can't be browsed off the phone Dec 11 13:31:20 ? Dec 11 13:32:41 bherrmann: better that way than the other way, right? Dec 11 13:32:50 jbq: true Dec 11 13:33:18 jbq: but how hard it is to loop over the apps and make some rudementary html so you can at least see what is available w/o the phone. Dec 11 13:33:18 lol Dec 11 13:34:11 I don't have any experience doing that within the Google server infrastructure, so I don't know whether it's actually hard or not. Dec 11 13:35:12 Since it's open source (is the market place installer opensource?) I guess I could reverse engineer it. And write an app for my phone that pumps the metadata up to a site. Dec 11 13:35:25 It's not open-source. Dec 11 13:35:39 Market is a google app built on top of android, it's not part of android. Dec 11 13:36:22 jbq: how much of this phone is open and how much of it is not open? Dec 11 13:36:24 jbq, is their any plan for an x86 port of android? Dec 11 13:37:08 or is it expected that the community will handle that bit. Dec 11 13:37:35 kinit janet/admin@DISORG.NET Dec 11 13:37:38 erk Dec 11 13:37:42 bherrmann: the answer is self-referential: everything that comes from android (which is an open-source project) more or less is, and pretty much non of the rest is. Dec 11 13:37:55 sorry :) Dec 11 13:38:18 I think that some people are contributing in that direction. Dec 11 13:38:28 good good Dec 11 13:39:00 Intel has been uploading some changes for review. Dec 11 13:41:06 could someone download iSkoot from US maket and place it somethere? This Soft is worknig all round world but devs stricted android version only for US users. Dunno why. Dec 11 13:41:09 since the g1 is always on and mostly knows where you are. It could notice that you went from moving about 10 miles an hour to a full stop. Then you started moving at around 3 miles per hour. It could then remember that location. Then when you go to leave the mall, the g1 could tell you where you parked. Dec 11 13:41:43 s/about 10/above 10/ Dec 11 13:41:59 bherrmann: an app could probably be written to do that. the GPS does use quite a lot of power, though. Dec 11 13:42:48 It would be nice to see a waypoint app that overlays google maps. I'm sure its on its way. Dec 11 13:48:25 hmepas, I had the same problem.. fixed it by using an US SIM card.. romaing is cash-consuming though :( Dec 11 13:48:34 roaming* Dec 11 13:49:16 Whats the best book on Andriod Development? Dec 11 13:49:28 They have books out on it? Dec 11 13:49:37 There are quite a few books, yeah. Dec 11 13:49:48 man, that was fast. Dec 11 13:50:06 maybe you guys are on to some thing :) Dec 11 13:50:23 We certainly hope so. Dec 11 13:51:14 The manning site has the "unlocking android" book and with promocode "dec11" you can get the book (early access pdf and final printed version) for $26.99 Dec 11 13:51:50 romainguy should make some money on the side and publish a book about developing nice and consistent UIs for Android ;) (till the Android UI guidelines become public.. whenever that should be.. I'm afraid they take a while because its a low priority thing as I understood :( ) Dec 11 13:52:01 I read the free 'unlocking andriod' PDF and it seemed pretty decent Dec 11 13:53:01 tauno: I'd rather have romain actually writing code :P Dec 11 13:53:30 djc, can't they clone him or something there?.. Dec 11 13:53:35 Unlocking Android: A Developer's Guide provides concise, hands-on instruction for the Android operating system and development tools. This book teaches important architectural concepts in a straightforward writing style and builds on this with practical and useful examples throughout. Based on his mobile development experience and his deep knowledge of the arcane Android technical documentation, the author conveys the know-how you need to d Dec 11 13:53:35 evelop practical applications that build upon or replace any of Androids features, however small. Dec 11 13:53:48 fyi. Dec 11 13:54:07 looks like the whole book is availble in pdf format today. Dec 11 13:54:16 arcane android technical documentation... hmm Dec 11 13:54:32 meh, just read the technical API docs from Google Dec 11 13:54:40 there's enough example apps floating around Dec 11 13:54:50 yea, I'm not an API History buff Dec 11 13:55:16 is this already arcane Dec 11 14:09:00 morning Dec 11 14:09:24 why hallow thar Dec 11 14:10:21 someone needs to write an app that queeries the market and automagically posts a first comment followed by some crap about hooking up. Dec 11 14:11:41 fr1$7 p$07! Dec 11 14:11:50 marix: Yes! Dec 11 14:12:12 marix: "FR!IST LOL YO HIT ME UP AT THINKINGINBINARY@GMAIL.COM THANKS" Dec 11 14:12:23 marix: (I *hate* those.) Dec 11 14:12:39 marix: (We should ban posting email addresses in comments for "privacy" reasons.) Dec 11 14:12:52 we should ban life for being dangerous Dec 11 14:12:57 destory all the humans Dec 11 14:13:00 it shocking to see it as such a free for all Dec 11 14:13:03 weilawei: No! I'm a human. Dec 11 14:13:08 ttuttle: too bad. Dec 11 14:13:15 * weilawei zaps ttuttle Dec 11 14:13:20 marix: Yeah, there needs to be a "this comment sucks" button. Dec 11 14:13:39 * ttuttle explodes, then is reformed from the shrapnel (betcha didn't know interns could do that). Dec 11 14:14:03 or a google guy who moderates that nonsense. Dec 11 14:14:05 * weilawei gets out the overwhleming finals schedule gun and fires at ttuttle Dec 11 14:14:33 marix: id rather have it done by the people using it than google being the final arbiter Dec 11 14:15:03 sure they could say "this sucks," but so could anyone else Dec 11 14:15:14 weilawei, true but that requires a consensus, and the only consensus i've seen so far is 15 people posting first!!!! Dec 11 14:15:20 weilawei: /me has an AWESOME finals schedule already. NICE TRY! Dec 11 14:15:38 weilawei: One on Monday, one on Tuesday, reading day is Wednesday, one on Thursday (today), and I go home tomorrow! Dec 11 14:15:56 damn son. where do i sign up? Dec 11 14:16:09 weilawei: I just got lucky with the courses I picked. Dec 11 14:16:10 marix: thats a pretty solid consensus. we shoud move on it. Dec 11 14:16:14 what sort of budget do you need? Dec 11 14:16:16 ;) Dec 11 14:16:25 bout three fiddy Dec 11 14:16:44 alright, ill have my bailout manager wire you 3.5trillion Dec 11 14:16:50 weilawei: Hmm. How much does an orbital laser cannon with GPS targetting cost? And can we retrofit market to transmit GPS coordinates with comments? Dec 11 14:17:30 lmfao @ ttuttle. i think you can pick one up at walmart for an everyday low price Dec 11 14:17:37 weilawei: Nice! Dec 11 14:18:57 it even comes with a complimentary bat-signal, except due to licensing, it's actually just a hamster. Dec 11 14:19:08 That reminds me of the unix switcher ad, http://ubergeek.tv/article.php?pid=54 Dec 11 14:19:12 weilawei: Damn. Dec 11 14:21:19 f# WTF Dec 11 14:21:20 thank you nostalgia <3 Dec 11 14:21:25 i am recruiting fembots though Dec 11 14:21:42 can't wrap your head around ocaml/ Dec 11 14:24:46 does somebody know how to change de dafault system wallpaper in Android ? Dec 11 14:24:50 bherrmann: I added a reference to the Android book to the Application development section of the Android FAQ here: Is it ok, if I list the promocode? Dec 11 14:25:50 bgupta_ fine by me, but the promocode is good for today only :-( Although manning seems to roll through promocodes on a daily basis and typically discounting in the 30 % Dec 11 14:26:45 solca: just press and hold on the screen on the "desktop", and a "Add to home" menu will popup. There is an option To select wallpaper Dec 11 14:26:49 bgupta_: You might say something like (look for manning's oft changing promocodes) Dec 11 14:27:13 bgupta_: sory, I mean in the source code Dec 11 14:27:23 s/sory/sorry/ Dec 11 14:28:05 solca: Of course you did. :) Dec 11 14:28:37 WEll it's 40% of today. I went ahead and ordered it, since it seems to be the only book Dec 11 14:29:25 this book also looks interesting, http://www.pragprog.com/titles/eband/hello-android Dec 11 14:29:35 I've liked other prag books Dec 11 14:31:47 any other android books? Dec 11 14:32:02 amazon seems to have 4 in print titles Dec 11 14:32:12 damn there are a bunch Dec 11 14:32:16 the others are pre-order only Dec 11 14:33:10 yea, the comments arent much help. 1 comment on three of them, 1 has 8 comments - but only rated 2 / 5 Dec 11 14:39:00 ANDROID A PROGRAMMERS GUIDE (Paperback) Dec 11 14:39:13 opps meant to paste this: Dec 11 14:39:14 http://www.amazon.com/Android-Programming-Books/lm/R3IDV45VDVAY3M Dec 11 14:43:42 Kinda need to take a break from working on the FAQ. Anyone want to help out? http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Android_FAQ Dec 11 14:45:06 He seems to like his book Dec 11 14:45:28 how to change de dafault system wallpaper in the Android source code ? Dec 11 14:45:54 solca: It should be in the launcher source code Dec 11 14:46:06 it should Dec 11 14:46:16 bgupta_: faq looks nice Dec 11 14:46:24 need a link? Dec 11 14:46:52 http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/packages/apps/Launcher.git;a=summary Dec 11 14:47:05 swetland: how to change de dafault system wallpaper in the Android source code ? Dec 11 14:47:06 Humm. no Andriod podcasts? Dec 11 14:48:27 If you an Android Guru please consider answering an FAQ question from the unanswered section: http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Android_FAQ#Unanswered Dec 11 14:48:46 bgupta_: that should be in the FAQ Dec 11 14:49:36 solca.. if you get an answer can you add it to the FAQ? :) Dec 11 14:50:02 faq: What about a good place to buy the usb to head phone adapters? Dec 11 14:50:04 bgupta_: sure, but the resource system is a little complicated and can't find an answer yet Dec 11 14:50:12 bherrmann: thats more of an ad than a faq. Dec 11 14:51:00 Disconnect: yea, it crosses some boundries. But if you dont have any place to start, and just want a decent set of reputable starting points. Dec 11 14:51:09 ebay. google. Dec 11 14:51:48 bherrman: I tend to agree with Disconnect on this... although listing the official HTC part number might make some sense. Dec 11 14:52:49 <[nine]> i searched amazon for one and picked up a part from marketplace. Dec 11 14:52:51 oh guys Dec 11 14:52:55 anyone feeling adventurous Dec 11 14:53:01 <[nine]> although i really want something that does simultaneous charge and audio. Dec 11 14:53:05 one of my users just told me unlocking phone by google account doesnt work Dec 11 14:53:10 solca: DOes this capture the essence of your question? ===Q: How do I change the default system wallpaper via the API?=== Dec 11 14:53:44 nine: THere is a FAQ question in the G1 section about that.. Dec 11 14:53:59 <[nine]> bgupta_: yeah, i saw. trying to source a part that i can get shipped to the uk. Dec 11 14:54:12 blau-MikeDG: it worked for me a while bakc Dec 11 14:54:34 disables the swipelock though, even if you back out and unlock it with the correct swipe Dec 11 14:54:37 pita Dec 11 14:55:00 but the swipe isn't ready for prime-time yet anyway, at least while the scheduler has so many hiccups Dec 11 14:55:34 disc: you got locked out of the phone by entering the wrong pattern abunhc of times then logged in with google? Dec 11 14:55:52 (thats how i got into the google-unlock to begin with, stupid thing kept either not reading from the beginning or missing half the code..) Dec 11 14:55:56 this guy seemed to not be a total idiot Dec 11 14:55:59 blau-MikeDG: I will be feeling alot more adventurous when I have my devphone in hand.. (I will then have a backup android phone) Dec 11 14:56:07 lol Dec 11 14:56:09 you prolly have to use the same account you originally authed with Dec 11 14:58:52 hmm Dec 11 15:05:59 Where's michaelnovakjr when you need him? Dec 11 15:06:44 im better than him Dec 11 15:06:59 I was expecting him to call solca a bot any minute now. Dec 11 15:07:24 omg .. anybody else use the 9-patch images for borders and stuff? how cool Dec 11 15:07:36 DJTachyon, screens? Dec 11 15:07:51 anyone wanna beta test my app? Dec 11 15:08:00 i mean .. ive been looking for a nice xml based way of creating borders ... Dec 11 15:08:00 blau-MikeDG, Which app? Dec 11 15:08:09 and these 9-patch images are so cool Dec 11 15:08:15 brock: imagine google desktops search bar for your g1! Dec 11 15:08:26 thats the best description i can come up with, feel free to offer a better after using it Dec 11 15:08:36 i hate to compare my apps to someting else as a description Dec 11 15:08:55 oh cool Dec 11 15:09:11 blau-MikeDG, What's this about unlocking phone by google account? Dec 11 15:09:14 Unrelated? Dec 11 15:09:23 Yo Dec 11 15:09:26 unrelated Dec 11 15:09:33 DJTachyon, Reminds me of css borders Dec 11 15:09:42 Is there a good IRc client yet? Dec 11 15:09:47 brock: just one of my users mentioned to me that he was in the market all morning because he had to reset his phone because unlock by google account didnt work Dec 11 15:09:56 Oh strange Dec 11 15:10:01 yeah .. i just created a generic nice 9-patch border for layout backgrounds if anybody wants to try it :) Dec 11 15:10:04 Sure I'll try it out Dec 11 15:10:22 brocktice: who was that directed to? Dec 11 15:10:37 DJTachyon, the trying it out thing was to blau-MikeDG Dec 11 15:11:25 brock: cool thanks, just lemme upload it to my server Dec 11 15:13:23 ah these borders look great :) Dec 11 15:13:41 GIMP + 9-Patch + Android = Happytime Dec 11 15:13:54 has anyone else had repeated problems with google reader on the G1? Dec 11 15:14:05 Nope Dec 11 15:14:07 I'm trying to find where to submit a bug report but google can't find it. Dec 11 15:14:09 I did not use it Dec 11 15:14:12 <[nine]> brocktice: yes. lots. Dec 11 15:14:16 <[nine]> and lots and lots. Dec 11 15:14:22 What is the status on Flash? Dec 11 15:14:28 [nine], Yeah it seems to be every time I use it, almost. Dec 11 15:14:32 Can't mark read etc. Dec 11 15:14:45 <[nine]> brocktice: there have been some changes recently. i blamed most of it on t-mobile uk's stupid proxy. Dec 11 15:14:55 [nine], Yeah I noticed the UI changed a little. Dec 11 15:15:03 I don't think it's t-mobile. Dec 11 15:15:08 <[nine]> well. Dec 11 15:15:11 It used to work flawlessly on my razr2 Dec 11 15:15:17 on t-mobile Dec 11 15:15:24 Torikun, I guess at least half a year.. probably way more Dec 11 15:15:25 <[nine]> i found that if i marked as read and it didn't fix it, i cleared teh cache and tried again and it worked. Dec 11 15:15:38 Refreshing seems to do it. Dec 11 15:15:40 <[nine]> but i'd end up clearing the cache once every 15 articles. Dec 11 15:15:41 tauno: No!! Some sites had it running already, just not released Dec 11 15:15:49 they changed google reader the other day. combined with the browser's constant unnecessary reloads, its become a real pita to use Dec 11 15:16:01 Torikun, sry for being pessimistic :P Dec 11 15:16:02 <[nine]> last night at least, it was marking as read correctly. Dec 11 15:16:09 Torikun: then you should go ask them Dec 11 15:16:17 lol @ tauno Dec 11 15:16:18 <[nine]> it *was* working just fine on my other half's iphone. Dec 11 15:16:19 Still, strange that there's nowhere to report problems with reader. Dec 11 15:16:28 I should try steel Dec 11 15:16:31 Never thought of that Dec 11 15:16:37 <[nine]> steel? is that an app? Dec 11 15:16:44 yeah it's a webkit browser Dec 11 15:16:58 <[nine]> ah, desktop? Dec 11 15:17:10 android Dec 11 15:17:11 no, Android Dec 11 15:17:26 <[nine]> surely then it just uses the system webkit component? Dec 11 15:17:44 yeah Dec 11 15:17:55 <[nine]> might suffer the same issues then. Dec 11 15:17:58 yeah but I wonder if something could be different that affects it. Dec 11 15:18:00 Trying it out. Dec 11 15:18:29 <[nine]> check the settings for me, tell me if it has socks proxy support :) Dec 11 15:18:42 <[nine]> i want to use connectbot tunnelling to evade the stupid t-mobile proxy. Dec 11 15:18:47 No but it does have user agent switching Dec 11 15:18:51 http://www.mikedg.com/quicklaunch.apk Dec 11 15:18:59 What are you thoughts on Opera Mini on the G1? Dec 11 15:19:07 for whoever wants to try the beta of my latest app Dec 11 15:19:08 Any information on Firefox? Dec 11 15:19:10 I like it Dec 11 15:19:13 Opera Mini Dec 11 15:19:18 it's a little awkward though Dec 11 15:19:25 such as the url bar accepting carriage returns :\ Dec 11 15:19:25 Opera is not as easy as the default browser, it works thoug Dec 11 15:19:27 blau-MikeDG, installing Dec 11 15:19:31 yes vol! Dec 11 15:19:40 I do like that the browser lets you zoom in and out and such Dec 11 15:19:43 but that can be a pain Dec 11 15:19:49 I'd really like to go to "for mobile" sites first Dec 11 15:19:55 Yup Dec 11 15:20:03 where instead of a 1024x wide page I get one about 200px wide Dec 11 15:22:08 vol: opera for me tends to leave lots of big blocky image placeholders after the first couple images on a page :( generally about 1/4 through the image it'll jiust revert to the blocks (only zoomed) Dec 11 15:22:20 Disconnect: huh, what pages? Dec 11 15:22:23 I haven't seen that yet Dec 11 15:22:32 <[nine]> brocktice: i also noticed that the mobile 'full size' option started working and allowing horizontal scrolling last night. Dec 11 15:22:38 <[nine]> brocktice: (in reader) Dec 11 15:22:50 wow it's amazing how much more professional a 1kb .png 9-patch border background file makes an app look :) Dec 11 15:22:55 <[nine]> i'd been long-tapping the image and viewing the image outside of reader for ages. Dec 11 15:23:14 speaking of readers, is there a pdf reader app yet? Dec 11 15:23:50 DJTachyon: I love 9-patches. So simple, so effective. Dec 11 15:25:24 indeed Dec 11 15:25:26 i just figured them out Dec 11 15:25:31 and they are so nice looking Dec 11 15:25:36 exactly what i was looking for Dec 11 15:25:46 ..had to do basically the same thing as 9patch in j2me - was not that much fun :P Dec 11 15:25:52 [nine], oh thank Zeus Dec 11 15:26:16 great that it's built in in android :=) Dec 11 15:27:15 jbq: http://www.djtachyon.com/android/AndroidDJ.jpg Dec 11 15:27:31 err ... jbq: http://www.djtachyon.com/android/AndroidDJ1.jpg Dec 11 15:27:45 it's a pita in j2me - ended up doing 3 different versions of it because every phone has their own specific small buggers :( Dec 11 15:28:09 haha Dec 11 15:28:12 yeah Dec 11 15:28:18 it's rather depressing that j2me ends up requiring ifdef Dec 11 15:28:22 DJTachyon: nice Dec 11 15:28:27 which seems like it defeats the purpose of java Dec 11 15:28:52 vol, indeed.. and debugging this stuff is like.. can't find the words.. Dec 11 15:28:56 DJTachyon: looks nice Dec 11 15:28:59 haha Dec 11 15:29:07 jbq: if I want to move the two internal boxes next to each other instead above/below in landscape mode .. should I just switch the orientation of the parent orientation on the portrait<->landscape activity? Dec 11 15:29:08 :) Dec 11 15:29:09 I did blackberry j2me dev for a very short time Dec 11 15:29:14 enough to know that it was godawful Dec 11 15:29:35 DJTachyon: sliders Dec 11 15:29:41 instead of buttons Dec 11 15:30:10 well yeah im working on that .. but unfortunely there are no low-level audio api calls i need Dec 11 15:30:28 I thought this was a remote control of some kind Dec 11 15:30:31 i have a feeling im going to have to code native speed control for the media api Dec 11 15:30:43 and get them pushed into the OS Dec 11 15:30:52 DJTachyon: depending on how your app is built, you can just use a different xml layout for portrait and landscape, put them in the appropriate resource directories, and you won't need to write any code. Dec 11 15:30:59 <[nine]> wondering how easy it is to get the current track information out of the music player app. thinking about writing an audioscrobbler applet. Dec 11 15:31:14 <[nine]> can you listen to notification events? the notifier window displays the current track. Dec 11 15:31:30 jbq: interesting .. Dec 11 15:32:05 i mean it is a single property value .. so duplicating the XML would be a waste .. but im a low-level C coder so im anal like that Dec 11 15:32:30 DJTachyon: selecting UIs based on different orientations, screen sizes, languages, even input methods, is supposed to be possible without writing a line of code. Dec 11 15:33:12 yeah it looks that way Dec 11 15:33:30 i still need to import the whole media library selection codebase into this Dec 11 15:33:48 i wish some nice person would fund a dev phone for me Dec 11 15:34:56 jbq: i still dont like the idea of copy/pasting the entire main XML just to add the portrait/landscape tag Dec 11 15:35:19 DJTachyon: yes, it's a bit rough :( Dec 11 15:35:54 i would rather just add one bit of code to change orientation of the linear layout Dec 11 15:36:06 though ive done very little coding in android so far Dec 11 15:36:11 wonder how's the bluetooth API support coming along? I have a bluetooth remote control for everything I need in j2me but I use the G1 for my primary phone now.. and I miss this app Dec 11 15:36:17 since i found out how limited the media api is Dec 11 15:38:10 so i figure ill work on the UI until i find enough free time to start working on the low-level audio api Dec 11 15:38:56 sweet my android cafepress store has made enough money for me to get an android market account :) Dec 11 15:41:31 DJTachyon: planning to bootstrap your way up to millionaire? Dec 11 15:43:30 Aim for billionaire. Even if you're only 1% successful, you're still rich enough to not have to worry. Dec 11 15:44:13 blount: lol Dec 11 15:44:14 * blount is still working on thousandaire Dec 11 15:44:39 Well I'm going to the Limewire Holiday Party tonight .. maybe I can get some of their money :P Dec 11 15:45:02 Where is it DJ Dec 11 15:45:05 The most reliable way to get a company's money is to get hired there. Dec 11 15:45:07 Manhatten Dec 11 15:45:10 ah dam Dec 11 15:45:22 jbq: takes too long Dec 11 15:45:23 its guestlist only ;) Dec 11 15:45:24 DJTachyon: Ah, so I guess you do what you like : ) Dec 11 15:45:31 argh.. I should follow the rule "Release often, even if there are bugs".. but I just can't.. I don't have the heart to release a buggy app to the masses :( Dec 11 15:45:33 wait, limewire is a legitimate company? Dec 11 15:45:43 FrostWire FTW! Dec 11 15:45:49 of course .. two of my friends work there Dec 11 15:45:52 jbq: takes too long Dec 11 15:45:54 grr. Dec 11 15:46:00 vol: we use them for image caching and such Dec 11 15:46:03 media webstores, etc.. Dec 11 15:47:02 ... good lord. Dec 11 15:47:38 http://www.limegroup.com Dec 11 15:47:43 I see you have a sense of humor Dec 11 15:47:46 on your java programmer's page Dec 11 15:47:48 * Good understanding of POOP (Principles of Object Oriented Programming) Dec 11 15:47:52 (careers page) Dec 11 15:48:04 who is this? Dec 11 15:48:29 http://wiki.limewire.org/index.php?title=Java_Developer Dec 11 15:48:58 oh hah .. yeah good people over there Dec 11 15:50:08 which element type would one use as a slider? Dec 11 15:50:14 progress or seek? Dec 11 15:50:34 monkey Dec 11 15:51:14 hmm i wonder why this background is shifting the content up and covering up the text .. Dec 11 15:51:24 and then keeping a huge margin at the bottom Dec 11 15:53:58 hey jbq Dec 11 15:54:09 Hey Dec 11 15:55:11 any idea why it's doing this: http://www.djtachyon.com/android/AndroidDJ2.jpg Dec 11 15:55:41 it shifts the layout content up, covering the top and adding padding to the bottom Dec 11 15:55:53 Hmmm, I'm not a UI dude. where's romainguy when we need him? :( Dec 11 15:55:55 simply from putting the 9-patch on there Dec 11 15:56:29 but for some reason it doesnt do it to the one on the bottom Dec 11 15:56:33 DJTachyon: can you post the layout somewhere? Dec 11 15:56:57 oh wierd .. it seems to have to do with the buttons Dec 11 15:57:13 i just added a button to the song name box, and it shifted the text up Dec 11 15:58:35 i wonder why that would happen .. Dec 11 15:58:41 i guess i can post the code Dec 11 16:00:20 zhobbs: http://www.djtachyon.com/android/main.xml.txt Dec 11 16:00:58 too bad the xml editor doesn't tabulate worth a damn Dec 11 16:02:27 yeah it seems adding more than one element inside the layout with a 9-patch, screws up the padding Dec 11 16:05:57 oh romainguy isnt even in the chan Dec 11 16:06:14 bah Dec 11 16:06:34 DJTachyon: I suggest using the spirit of romainguy: hierarchyviewer Dec 11 16:06:52 oh? Dec 11 16:07:11 woo fancy Dec 11 16:07:13 shortcut keyed bluetooth toggles here i come! Dec 11 16:07:14 hehe Dec 11 16:08:37 any luck zhobbs? Dec 11 16:08:57 DJTachyon: don't see anything wrong...still looking Dec 11 16:09:08 took me a while just for format it :) Dec 11 16:09:11 :P Dec 11 16:09:55 wow this hierarchy viewer is fancy :) Dec 11 16:10:02 can anybody tell me how to set the transparency of widgets? Dec 11 16:10:16 an_dev: View.setAlpha() Dec 11 16:11:11 Firefox has SQLite Plug-in......does anyone know how to connect it to my android application database..... Dec 11 16:11:22 DJTachyon: not sure what the problem is.... Dec 11 16:11:43 dd94300: pull the SQLite DB out of /data/data//database I think Dec 11 16:12:04 zhobbs...i am doing that Dec 11 16:12:06 dd94300: which means you need root or the emulator Dec 11 16:12:42 zhobbs: yeah the hierarchy view does show them being butt up there for some reason .. but cant tell why Dec 11 16:12:50 i have to do pull every time i made chage to database...so i was thinking there has to be way to make the constant connection Dec 11 16:13:04 sweet i got bluetooth toggling working Dec 11 16:13:07 now to work on GPS! Dec 11 16:13:11 * vol has turned off drawing the pattern when putting in his unlock code Dec 11 16:13:16 * vol is sooper sneaky Dec 11 16:13:41 dd94300: I think you probably have to pull it each time Dec 11 16:14:34 ok thanks zhobbs..... Dec 11 16:16:15 zhobbs: hmm if i add elements under the top window it is okay, maybe it has to do with nested 9-patches ... Dec 11 16:17:47 strange Dec 11 16:19:27 All I can do is add top margin padding to try and match the offset bottom padding Dec 11 16:21:05 morrildl - my fingers are crossed Dec 11 16:21:50 I want to get Android on my HTC TouchPro... possible yet? Dec 11 16:21:57 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iKje_0lUYg&fmt=18 Dec 11 16:22:03 caseydavis: check that link Dec 11 16:22:31 sweet im watching it Dec 11 16:22:32 thanks Dec 11 16:22:37 then google for the link, cuz bots aren't allowed here and i don't have the 800 xda thread id's memorized. Dec 11 16:22:55 that's cool Dec 11 16:23:24 I got the fuze over the blackberry bold in hopes to put android on it... i've recently decided i don't so much like winmo Dec 11 16:23:41 winmo sucks Dec 11 16:23:46 sure does Dec 11 16:24:45 I have the Raphael, instead of the Vogue, hopefully its out for the touchpro too though, thanks for the link Dec 11 16:25:49 do you need a background image for the seek bar then? Dec 11 16:26:09 ....ok wtf is wrong with these people. http://reviews.cnet.com/2300-6452_7-6576211-13.html?s=0&o=6576211 Dec 11 16:26:14 caseydavis: reports are it worked on that also. Dec 11 16:27:18 Disconnect: what is that picture?? Dec 11 16:27:27 supposedly its a touch and an iphone Dec 11 16:27:39 according to the caption and the rest of the gallery.. Dec 11 16:27:44 hehe Dec 11 16:28:17 hey yall Dec 11 16:29:00 http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Keeping_Root Dec 11 16:29:06 i did that on my new g1 Dec 11 16:29:23 http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Replace_Recovery_Partition Dec 11 16:29:29 but what does that do Dec 11 16:29:56 its pretty cool. it lets you buy stuff from the amazon music store for free. Dec 11 16:30:36 yeah, only works with 1-click though Dec 11 16:30:36 are you freal? Dec 11 16:30:46 i think you are lies Dec 11 16:34:54 try it out Dec 11 16:35:51 haha Dec 11 16:37:02 if you find the right thread (i think xda-dev but maybe not) there is a winmo image for it too Dec 11 16:37:14 how do you reduce button sizes? Dec 11 16:37:22 i want them to be less high Dec 11 16:37:30 i have tried every fricking property Dec 11 16:37:46 ..height? Dec 11 16:38:09 tried it Dec 11 16:38:11 and max height Dec 11 16:38:30 i can get the text smaller but not the damn button Dec 11 16:39:38 oh wait .. layout height seems to be doing something Dec 11 16:40:15 yeah, layout_height Dec 11 16:41:07 what does "no bridging Android apps to this channel, please" mean? Dec 11 16:42:48 offby1``: it means please don't write applications that connect to this channel Dec 11 16:42:56 by default Dec 11 16:43:10 zhobbs: yeah by default Dec 11 16:43:17 it's ok to write an IRC client, just don't make it automatically dump people in here Dec 11 16:43:18 would that include an IRC app? I've probably used the android IRC app to chat here Dec 11 16:43:20 ah Dec 11 16:43:22 SanMehat, is morrildl a polar, grizzly or black? Dec 11 16:43:30 uh what? Dec 11 16:43:33 homeboy just HIBERNATES Dec 11 16:43:40 definitely polar Dec 11 16:43:46 he's busy man Dec 11 16:44:10 i'm trying to decide whether to abandon my app development or not Dec 11 16:44:17 well.. maybe i can help Dec 11 16:46:01 Rob-cs: what were you working on? Dec 11 16:49:52 that looks a little better Dec 11 16:50:07 http://www.djtachyon.com/android/AndroidDJ3.jpg Dec 11 16:50:09 thought? Dec 11 16:50:38 slick Dec 11 16:50:41 You should have seperate pitch/speed control :) Dec 11 16:50:59 dunno if the phone could handle FFTs though Dec 11 16:51:04 heh exactly Dec 11 16:51:10 native code ;) Dec 11 16:51:54 * JesusFreke ponders Dec 11 16:52:09 The phone could probably handle the audio processing Dec 11 16:52:13 maybe you could manipulate the mp3 frames before they are decoded Dec 11 16:52:36 nah, that wouldn't work, n/m :) Dec 11 16:52:52 you might be able to do pitch that way, but not speed Dec 11 16:53:39 How long until we get OpenCL support to offload tasks to the GPU in my android phone? ;) Dec 11 16:54:28 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/10/gmail-enables-sms-messaging-from-chat/ <-- Hmm... Looks like an android app just begging to be written :) Free SMS! :) Dec 11 16:54:55 nice Dec 11 16:55:00 RyeBrye: except you can't get into gmail from android :( Dec 11 16:55:17 where's my pinch-zoom browser RyeBrye? :( Dec 11 16:55:29 * RyeBrye vanishes Dec 11 16:56:05 I've been too busy to do much of anything - including sleep - recently - but once the big code drop happens I'll look into how to bolt multitouch onto the platform properly Dec 11 16:56:48 But you're right - that's the only multitouch feature I really care about right now Dec 11 16:57:14 sleeping is good Dec 11 17:00:04 Is the no gmail from android just a useragent thing? Dec 11 17:00:28 What do you mean no gmail from android? Dec 11 17:00:36 the gmail website Dec 11 17:01:11 It works fine Dec 11 17:01:44 oh. Disconnect just mentioned: RyeBrye: except you can't get into gmail from android Dec 11 17:01:48 I'll try it now Dec 11 17:01:55 oh that way Dec 11 17:02:00 I'm using it every day for my second gmail address Dec 11 17:02:00 i meant the gmail app Dec 11 17:02:12 that reminds me. anyone try the new j2me gmail app? Dec 11 17:02:14 under j2merunner Dec 11 17:08:24 Google Talk client isn't going to be open sourced, is it? Dec 11 17:08:45 RyeBrye: multitouch...excellent! Dec 11 17:09:33 BlindOracle: Don't hold your breath waiting for it though! :) Dec 11 17:09:47 RyeBrye: man...I'm already blue :P Dec 11 17:10:16 On gmail on the phone, even in desktop view I don't see the google talk chat sidebar :( Dec 11 17:11:29 RyeBrye: might have to do with SMS->google talk. Dec 11 17:12:22 yeah, but i don't see any of the labs stuff on the 'desktop' version of gmail on my g1 either Dec 11 17:12:38 We don't support labs experiments at the moment Dec 11 17:13:43 * Disconnect died twice holding his breath for RyeBrye. the emt's say not to talk to him any more :( Dec 11 17:13:46 but isn't it just the browser? Dec 11 17:14:16 RyeBrye: tried just using the gtalk client proper? Dec 11 17:14:18 I mean - Gmail sniffing the user agent and sending down the page? Dec 11 17:14:35 unix_lappy: to send to SMS? no, I haven't yet Dec 11 17:16:42 ryebrye Dec 11 17:16:49 didnt you have a list of symlinks ? Dec 11 17:16:59 is there a way to have it auto root and do the symlinks on restart Dec 11 17:17:07 RyeBrye: send recieve. Dec 11 17:31:31 Is this a support channel or dev channel for android? Dec 11 17:31:49 Both I believe. Dec 11 17:32:03 skyred: it is both, but a more specialized dev channel also exists at #android-dev Dec 11 17:32:13 it seems to be quite here Dec 11 17:32:27 its not usually Dec 11 17:33:18 has anyone gotten their dev 1 yet? Dec 11 17:33:36 not that i know of Dec 11 17:34:04 skyred, still no shipping info for me Dec 11 17:34:09 It's now day 4 Dec 11 17:34:33 brocktice, r u outside US? Dec 11 17:34:39 skyred, no Dec 11 17:34:42 In the States Dec 11 17:35:33 There are reports on the mailing lists that some people got them. Dec 11 17:35:38 i was hoping I can get dev 1 before next Tuesday android meetup in NYC Dec 11 17:35:44 jbq, what what what? Dec 11 17:35:52 Well who knows, maybe it will show up today Dec 11 17:36:00 Their shipping info system seems to be a bit out of whack Dec 11 17:36:19 brocktice: I assume they'll send an email when it has shipped? Dec 11 17:36:22 In Google's words, It's BETA Dec 11 17:36:26 I'm just hoping mine comes before I leave town for xmas. Dec 11 17:36:29 BlindOracle, Supposed to. Dec 11 17:36:39 And the track order page is supposed to show something once it ships. Dec 11 17:37:08 I'd like a devphone. I can't afford one atm though :( Dec 11 17:38:12 brocktice: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/266ce8994900f7f4 Dec 11 17:38:26 jbq, thanks I was just searching the list Dec 11 17:38:26 Check post by "hoesing" Dec 11 17:38:30 hadn't found it yet Dec 11 17:38:58 I didn't pay for overnight so probably I'll get it next week. Dec 11 17:39:00 Thanks jbq Dec 11 17:39:04 So, when people submit their applications to the market, do they submit complied files or source code? Dec 11 17:39:19 skyred: compiled and packaged. Dec 11 17:40:24 has anyone tried reverse compiled some application ? Dec 11 17:40:40 jbq, can you tell my why, say, youtube won't install on the emulator? Dec 11 17:40:45 What is error -11? Dec 11 17:41:16 brocktice: I have no precise idea. My guess is that the emulator doesn't have the libraries that youtube depends on. Dec 11 17:41:37 or decompile Dec 11 17:41:38 jbq, Oh okay. Dec 11 17:41:51 It's not some hook that prevents installation or anything like that. Dec 11 17:42:12 ( I suppose I could always check the source ) Dec 11 17:42:29 brocktice: I'm not sure, to be honest. Dec 11 17:42:56 jbq, do you know if the "scanning barcodes" function is open sourced? Dec 11 17:43:21 skyred: that's not part of android. http://code.google.com/p/zxing/ Dec 11 17:43:30 that app is great Dec 11 17:43:45 brocktice, permission denied is 11 Dec 11 17:43:51 i hink Dec 11 17:43:54 Damm, thanks Dec 11 17:44:01 i'm used to 11 being permission denied atleast with mysql Dec 11 17:44:07 * brocktice shrugs Dec 11 17:44:58 jbq, so did Shopsavvy use the Zebra Crossing? Dec 11 17:45:03 can the camera on the g1 do video? Dec 11 17:45:11 No. Sigh. Dec 11 17:45:15 skyred: I think that several projects used that library. Dec 11 17:45:16 not yet Dec 11 17:45:20 I'm not sure, though. Dec 11 17:45:28 andyross: hardware limitation or software limitation? ...just curious Dec 11 17:45:58 jbq, is there another android apps having barcode scanning feature? Dec 11 17:45:59 software according to google blogs Dec 11 17:46:12 skyred: not as part of the android core. Dec 11 17:46:28 andyross, DJTachyon: So that could change in future releases of android? Dec 11 17:46:32 Unclear. The current thinking seems to be that the binary blob (Qualcomm's?) implementing the driver is the culprit, but I haven't directly investigated. Clearly a robust video encoder is going to need DSP access too, and that's not documented either. Dec 11 17:46:46 ouch Dec 11 17:46:47 jbq, right, i meant third party apps submitted through market Dec 11 17:46:47 k Dec 11 17:47:16 my app needs direct audio dsp access ;) Dec 11 17:48:07 Well, I dunno how "clearly". I'm sure there's some codec out there that can encode well on a 384MHz ARM11 at 20Hz or so. There were PCs doing this when they were about the same speed. But other phones almost exclusively use hardware assist for video. Dec 11 17:48:56 DJTachyon: the audio stuff is reasonably well exposed by the existing APIs, at least for mixing. Dec 11 17:49:16 C APIs? Dec 11 17:49:49 or the java apis? Dec 11 17:49:54 C++, yeah. There's an "audio flinger" server that does IPC to user process to pull shared memory buffers for mixing. Take a look at AudioTrack. Dec 11 17:49:56 andyross: and is linux's aio exposed/available/supported via this kernel? Dec 11 17:50:10 yeah i was talking to SanMehat about it ;) Dec 11 17:50:39 i think video support is one of the major things missing in the "iphone killer" :( Dec 11 17:50:42 flinger doesn't support positional audio IIRC - right? Dec 11 17:50:45 I haven't checked, but I don't see why it wouldn't be. It's a nice, recent kernel, and there's nothing about aio that requires driver support (although it tends to work better in the face of stuff like disks with seek penalties) Dec 11 17:51:16 Pretty sure I only saw left/right panning and global volume. But I'm hardly the expert. Dec 11 17:51:21 * BlindOracle would like to get ACE compiling for it Dec 11 17:51:32 i initially just need a java call for playback speed for my app .. but of course it could just grow from there Dec 11 17:51:45 http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/7#comment-5 Dec 11 17:52:33 If you don't know what ACE is - http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~schmidt/ACE-overview.html Dec 11 17:53:02 lol. "I know i violated the marketplace ToS but its really nazi of you to remove my app!!" Dec 11 17:53:07 http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Replace_Recovery_Partition Dec 11 17:53:09 so i have to do that? Dec 11 17:53:14 do* Dec 11 17:53:20 to do the previous link? Dec 11 17:53:25 Disconnect: lol Dec 11 17:54:24 lol Dec 11 17:54:26 nazi Dec 11 17:54:26 d0netsFN: yes Dec 11 17:54:27 HAHA Dec 11 17:54:44 so .. are there any google android dev positions in manhatten? :) Dec 11 17:55:17 Or how about where I live, in Oregon? Dec 11 17:55:28 sorry, Oregoon. Ack. Try to make a typo and failed :( Dec 11 17:55:28 woohoo. I just got mine :D Dec 11 17:55:36 (note: they don't let you live there until you learn to spell the name right) Dec 11 17:55:50 jesusFreke: no you didn't, it is just a model Dec 11 17:55:52 * andyross watches his magnificent joke sneer at him as it flies out the window... Dec 11 17:56:17 I dunno.. it must be a pretty convincing model :D Dec 11 17:56:20 we have all accepted oregon as the retarded uncle of the US Dec 11 17:56:27 * JesusFreke ogles the back cover Dec 11 17:56:52 JesusFreke, Did you ever get a shipping email? Dec 11 17:56:59 nope. lol Dec 11 17:57:09 overnight? Dec 11 17:57:31 DJTachyon: aww benice to oregon, at least they have full-service gas stations Dec 11 17:57:50 nope. just the free fedex shipping Dec 11 17:58:05 Maybe there's hope I'll get it this week yet. Dec 11 17:58:15 JesusFreke, Does it make toast? Dec 11 17:58:24 *pop*. eats toast Dec 11 17:58:30 O_o Dec 11 17:58:45 can't wait :) Dec 11 17:58:47 jsharkey ... Dec 11 17:59:00 I live in NJ .. it's illegal to pump your own gas ;) Dec 11 17:59:08 JesusFreke, so you got the phone, but no mail that it was shipped? Dec 11 17:59:11 yep, nj and oregon both Dec 11 17:59:12 did the tracking work? Dec 11 17:59:23 so ... Dec 11 17:59:28 * DJTachyon moons jsharkey Dec 11 17:59:29 :P Dec 11 17:59:29 DJTachyon: see, then youll feel right at home ;) Dec 11 17:59:38 freaks me out whenever i drive through/in them Dec 11 17:59:51 actually i was born on Bainbridge Island, WA .. so I wasn't far .. Dec 11 18:00:17 gf's parents live in nj, so i'm there with some regularity Dec 11 18:00:23 DJTachyon, Must have been a beautiful place to grow up. Dec 11 18:00:31 * brocktice <3s the San Juans Dec 11 18:01:08 * mmarker debates trying to brick his phone Dec 11 18:01:19 was there til I was 6 .. then dallas, tx .. then lincoln, ne .. then updates NY for college :P Dec 11 18:01:22 been all over Dec 11 18:01:27 jsharkey: yo Dec 11 18:01:28 * danfuzz prefers his phone fully operational, fwiw Dec 11 18:01:34 s/updates/upstate Dec 11 18:01:36 .. :P Dec 11 18:01:52 Gotta say that (outside the unfortunate gas pumping policies) I have nothing but good stuff to say about Portland. Not as busy as the bay area (lived in the east bay for 5 years), and just generally more pleasant than Boston (grew up there) Dec 11 18:02:10 what gas pumping policies? Dec 11 18:02:11 SanMehat: mornin :) sounds like im catching lunch on campus today Dec 11 18:02:18 jsharkey: nice Dec 11 18:02:24 JesusFreke, please throw me a bone here, I'm going crazy with apprehension. Did the tracking site ever say something else then "you haven't ordered anything yet"? Dec 11 18:02:34 nope Dec 11 18:02:43 As mentioned, it's illegal to pump your own gas here. Which is nice enough, but inevitably means huge lines and needless waiting when you're in a rush. Dec 11 18:02:48 you can track by reference with your brightstar order number on fedex though Dec 11 18:02:55 at least it worked for me Dec 11 18:02:58 ah, awesome Dec 11 18:03:01 thanks a lot Dec 11 18:03:05 JesusFreke, ooh Dec 11 18:03:55 what, no root access via adb shell? :D Dec 11 18:03:59 *boggle* Dec 11 18:04:19 ah, it's got su out of the box though Dec 11 18:05:04 aah excellent, my phone should arrive tomorrow Dec 11 18:05:11 it's in Chicago. Dec 11 18:05:34 hopefully the illinois gov doesnt steal it Dec 11 18:05:47 you know their envious Dec 11 18:05:49 DJTachyon, what? Dec 11 18:05:49 they're Dec 11 18:06:22 brocktice isn't a Senate candidate Dec 11 18:06:50 hehe Dec 11 18:06:58 Guess I'm out of the loop on the US news Dec 11 18:07:16 ah found it Dec 11 18:07:18 brocktice: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=illinois+governor&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ncl=1278986701&sa=X&oi=news_result&resnum=1&ct=more-results&cd=1 Dec 11 18:07:18 thanks google Dec 11 18:07:28 oh you should. its funny reading... Dec 11 18:07:29 only 11K news hits on google news :P Dec 11 18:07:37 Scary funny. Dec 11 18:07:54 And a whole new level of stupid. Dec 11 18:08:26 apparently you have a 48% chance of going to jail if you commit murder and a 50% chance of going to jail if you have been one of the last 8 governers of illinois Dec 11 18:08:56 seems like you are better off killing someone. Dec 11 18:09:34 indeed ... Dec 11 18:10:30 oh hey andyross .. Dec 11 18:10:46 did you check out my App UI? :P ... Dec 11 18:11:01 Um, no. Should I have? Dec 11 18:11:19 And the first time in a while, if I recall, no sex was involved in an IL gov scandal. Times must be tough if all you want is cash. Dec 11 18:11:23 it was just related to our conversation Dec 11 18:11:36 http://www.djtachyon.com/android/AndroidDJ3.jpg Dec 11 18:11:59 ;) Dec 11 18:13:12 DJTachyon: bigger touch targets make for happier users :) Dec 11 18:13:46 i was just about to say hehe Dec 11 18:14:23 the progress bars are hard enough to touch by themselves, and are about the smallest things in the ui framework Dec 11 18:14:55 yeah .. im working on condensing and resizing stuff Dec 11 18:15:32 JesusFreke, thanks again, I'm happy now, my phone is in philadelphia right now :) Dec 11 18:16:16 hmm, sell my g1 for a dev phone or not... Dec 11 18:16:31 good question .. Dec 11 18:16:57 mmarker: ..not. just install the new bootloader and be happy. Dec 11 18:17:47 np kirb :) Dec 11 18:18:45 ok its officially the end of the platform and we should all go to #maemo. there is a legitimate question about using ProLog under android. Dec 11 18:19:34 o_O Dec 11 18:19:45 Get some smalltalk up in here Dec 11 18:19:55 ..the problem is, he's serious Dec 11 18:20:05 ... Dec 11 18:20:41 you looking for some smalltalk? Dec 11 18:20:47 im good at that. Dec 11 18:20:50 thats why i hang out here. Dec 11 18:21:05 DJTachyon: uhh... in case you didn't notice, your descenders are cut off in that screenshot Dec 11 18:21:46 Is it technically possible to run Android on SE P1 (ARM9 processor, I believe)? Dec 11 18:21:59 anything is possible with enough work. Dec 11 18:22:25 They might port it eventually though, because SE is not part of the OHA Dec 11 18:22:30 dual: don't quote me, but I think I remember the minimum instruction set being ARMv4T or something Dec 11 18:22:47 xsdg: oh? Dec 11 18:22:48 currently ARMv5TE. There's some work to make it run on ARMv4T. Dec 11 18:22:53 Disconnect: I saw they've got to run it on a HTC Touch today. Dec 11 18:23:00 * xsdg points at jbq Dec 11 18:23:19 btw i meant now instead of not. Dec 11 18:23:20 istr SE joined in the anouncement last week Dec 11 18:23:23 yah Dec 11 18:23:26 ARM9 (the core) is ARMv5TE (the ISA) already though. Have to go all the way back to ARM7TDMI to find an ARMv4 part. Dec 11 18:23:40 ARM9TDMI is v4T Dec 11 18:24:06 * andyross has to go look that up, he's was all but certain about this... Dec 11 18:24:22 Wikipedia has a nice chart. Dec 11 18:24:30 The UIQ thing from SE totally sucks, so Android instead would be fantastic Dec 11 18:24:44 more specifically, the 920T core is ARM9TDMI, ARMv4T. Dec 11 18:24:50 It is. ARM arch names and versions mess with my brain Dec 11 18:25:26 mmarker, that's intel for you Dec 11 18:25:34 What knowledge would one need to be able to port/get it to work on an ARM9 device? Dec 11 18:25:50 Assembly and such low-level stuff? Dec 11 18:25:51 Not Intel's fault. They sold their ARM stuff, even. Dec 11 18:26:14 Marvell now, right? Dec 11 18:26:20 dual: the hard part about porting isn't the CPU, it's the drivers. Dec 11 18:26:22 fadden: I think that's right Dec 11 18:26:33 Yeah, although I think XScales are still coming out of Intel fabs on contract. Dec 11 18:26:36 Damn: blame the Brits, actually Dec 11 18:26:38 DJTachyon: a "descender" is a piece of text that goes below the baseline Dec 11 18:26:45 DJTachyon: look at your "p"s on the buttons Dec 11 18:27:02 We need to toss more tea into the harbor. Dec 11 18:27:11 jbq: I wouldn't care too much if I couldn't call or SMS, I would just like to try it ;) Dec 11 18:27:13 DJTachyon: ftr, bits that extend upward are called "ascenders" (for instantce, in "d" and "b") Dec 11 18:31:59 oh sure .. yeah i noticed that ;) Dec 11 18:32:11 well i got rid of the extra title on the top for more room Dec 11 18:32:27 an made the buttons bigger .. the sliders too Dec 11 18:32:34 brb Dec 11 18:43:22 andyross, yes but intel named it initially... what Marvell does is usually just following the leader. Dec 11 18:45:02 No, the ARM9/ARM11 core names and ARMv[45]... architecture names come from ARM Ltd.; what Intel owned was the XScale core itself, which was a licensed ARM implementation (that was originally called StrongARM, and done by DEC before they handed it over in a patent settlement in the 90's) Dec 11 18:45:37 I wonder if anyone has considered porting android to a digital camera Dec 11 18:45:47 not because it would be functional Dec 11 18:45:49 RyeBrye: you know, that could be a sweet ui for a camera Dec 11 18:45:51 im already like 95% done with it. Dec 11 18:46:39 You'd obviously have to write a ton of code to get the actual camera functions to work Dec 11 18:46:47 of course. Dec 11 18:48:11 Dougie1871: are you seriously working on it? Dec 11 18:48:16 no. Dec 11 18:48:18 ok Dec 11 18:48:22 just checking :) Dec 11 18:48:30 i don't actually work on anything. Dec 11 18:48:53 it is a neat idea though. Dec 11 18:52:02 Canon cameras will run code from the SD card - that's how CHDK works to hack them without reflashing the camera's main flash, would be funny to play around with Dec 11 18:53:44 So is there any program that let the g1 record video ? app store or hack of some sort Dec 11 18:54:08 There will be soon I'm sure - a bunch of video encoding related stuff is being checked into the msm 2.6.27 kernel tree Dec 11 18:54:09 hmm if you force the seekbar layout height to make it bigger, the little knob graphic doesnt grow .. but the clickable part does .. so it is functional, just not pretty Dec 11 18:55:17 tarelerulz: not yet Dec 11 18:56:07 so... Dec 11 18:56:18 I get excited about thinking about coding for the android. Dec 11 18:56:24 Well, I hope they do put video recorder or something really cool. it been so open just make the feature only limted by what people are willing to make Dec 11 18:56:43 Sembiance: take some personal time if you need. Dec 11 18:56:46 but I'm not excited about coding something in specific, some app or game. Anyone have any suggestions on something cool to make to push me over the edge and started? Dec 11 18:57:04 Sembiance: Here's an idea I want to write but I'm too busy to get started - should be simple enough Dec 11 18:57:13 time machine Dec 11 18:57:14 ? Dec 11 18:57:44 I was thinking of a missile command clone. Dec 11 18:57:48 Tarelerulz: most of the feature-limit part is what teh goog is/can put into the platform and hardware drivers (although remember, its a platform not a device. thats why all the g1 specific stuff comes from htc and tmo..wait, what? its from google too? i'm so confused...) Dec 11 18:57:58 I was also thinking about some sort of game where you have to 'paint' the screen with your finger or something, to proceed Dec 11 18:58:12 Sembiance: I want an app that will respond to an incoming SMS and if I send it a message with a keyword (perhaps a PIN) like "whereareyou 11111" - it will turn the speaker to max volume and play loud chirping noises every 30 seconds until it is either texted to turn off - or until a user presses a button "I found you" Dec 11 18:58:14 sembicnce , a cool would be one that would let you listen to say music in one ear and the other ear listen to phone calls. Dec 11 18:58:21 RyeBrye: lol Dec 11 18:58:25 lose things? Dec 11 18:58:33 Sembiance: The obvious use case would be - you leave your phone somewhere and it's on vibrate.. and it's a bitch to find phones that are set on vibrate Dec 11 18:58:35 :) Dec 11 18:59:03 I haven't lost the G1. It's kind of hard to - it's always in one of 3 places... In the charger downstairs by my computer, or in the charger upstairs, or in my hands being transfered between chargers Dec 11 18:59:15 haha Dec 11 18:59:18 RyeBrye: hrm... so a 'locate' me sort of feature. Dec 11 18:59:21 lol Dec 11 18:59:22 RyeBrye: interesting... Dec 11 18:59:36 god i need a car charger Dec 11 18:59:38 Sembiance: PinTail does locate and sends back GPS - but that's not really helpful if the phone is lost Dec 11 18:59:46 Tarelerulz: Is that a joke? the listen in one ear to music, the other a phone call? :) Dec 11 18:59:51 anybody found a decent car cradle/charger yet? Dec 11 19:00:13 DJTachyon: blackberry chargers work great. cheap chargers, not so much (at least with the splitters) cuz they upset the music app. a LOT. Dec 11 19:00:16 how about finger-based graffiti support? Dec 11 19:00:17 Tarelerulz: thats an awesome idea =D Dec 11 19:00:53 who needs an on-screen keyboard? Dec 11 19:01:03 Sembiance: the other use case woudl be if I'm in a store and my wife needs to get ahold of me - if there were a special PIN that she could type in (like a 911 mode) where it would turn the phone all the way up and start shaking like a crazy bitch that would be helpful too... For the most part - it's good to have phones silenced - but in the rare case of actual drop-dead emergencies it woudl be nice for that kind of feature Dec 11 19:01:22 blackberry chargers are the right current rating? Dec 11 19:01:33 and they provide a jack for the headset? Dec 11 19:01:38 RyeBrye, ever use callfilter on palm? Dec 11 19:01:46 brocktice: no, I haven't Dec 11 19:02:04 I was not being funny. just thought it might be an interesting feature . To toy with something not seen in any other phone. It is wacky ,but they should do somethign that is really different Dec 11 19:02:23 RyeBrye, total whitelist/blacklist/custom alert control by time, caller, day of week, etc. Dec 11 19:02:50 Locale does something similar but it's not as sophisticated an it has all of the location overhead Dec 11 19:03:33 I can't wait for Sony Ericcson to put out an android phone - if they make their proprietary apps as good as they made the ones for their symbian phones, it will be a sweet phone Dec 11 19:04:06 Their dialer was like a personal secretary... you miss a call and it prompts you "would you like to schedule a time to call them back?" and stuff like that - and it did it in a way that wasn't at all annoying Dec 11 19:04:17 Oh wow Dec 11 19:04:37 sony and google might be good paring . They are both about innovation . They did a lof of first ,but stuff that did not catch on . Dec 11 19:05:09 Tarelerulz, Maybe because all of their computers with the 'first features' had really buggy windows drivers? Dec 11 19:06:06 please, please, someone @google.com .. take xaviar aside and tell him to stfu. or just ban him from the lists. or SOMETHING.. Dec 11 19:06:22 Disconnect: +1 Dec 11 19:08:07 brocktice, I just see a lot google could really do . It been as open as it is I could see a lot of cool things . I would love to see a media center action. That to be would be kill app Dec 11 19:08:39 Tarelerulz, Sure, I was more referring to Sony. Dec 11 19:09:51 brocktice, what you think of songs and google coming out with a phone ? I like both of them . Dec 11 19:10:25 * brocktice shrugs Dec 11 19:10:34 I've never had a sony phone Dec 11 19:12:18 brocktice , never had sony phone. I just want something the ipod and iphone could never be for linux haha. I want something I can use with my linux box . the fact it dont' need software to transfer songs and movies Dec 11 19:18:06 tarelerulz, sony will be too busy introducing some new proprietary media to make a decent android phone. Dec 11 19:20:31 i don't trust sony Dec 11 19:21:00 ugh Dec 11 19:21:14 i wrote in my release notes that you should disable notifications in the messgaing app Dec 11 19:21:17 and everyone ignored it Dec 11 19:24:42 blau-MikeDG, you expect people to read? Dec 11 19:25:48 noone likes my latest release Dec 11 19:25:49 bah Dec 11 19:26:14 If you could say record video on the g1 could a g3 network support video phone calls ? Dec 11 19:27:13 it does in europe Dec 11 19:28:20 Discnnect , what phone does video phone calls? if you know Dec 11 19:28:44 e90 for one Dec 11 19:33:27 there is this better everybody: http://www.djtachyon.com/android/AndroidDJ4.jpg Dec 11 19:33:28 :P Dec 11 19:33:43 oops .. didnt notice the capture thing Dec 11 19:34:19 =O tahoma! Dec 11 19:34:33 o_O Dec 11 19:34:45 you windows user :P Dec 11 19:34:51 shhh! Dec 11 19:34:55 im using gimp! Dec 11 19:34:56 :P Dec 11 19:35:09 okay, your forgiven :) Dec 11 19:35:25 its a bummer the slider drawable doesnt strech Dec 11 19:35:33 omg my next app is groundbreaking! Dec 11 19:35:37 yeah .. at least it is functional Dec 11 19:35:42 i would leave the draggable bars their default height, but those bigger buttons are good Dec 11 19:35:57 might consider overriding the touch behavior of the progress bar Dec 11 19:36:10 so that it doesnt "jump" to a location, but behaves like those buttons Dec 11 19:36:26 why? i need them to be able to jump Dec 11 19:36:34 oh hmm Dec 11 19:36:38 its like moving a vinyl needle ;) Dec 11 19:36:59 DJTachyon: do you have a device? Dec 11 19:37:03 just like the bump fw/bw is pushing the vinyl a little forward or backwards .. Dec 11 19:37:08 yeah I have an RC30 G1 Dec 11 19:37:11 ah cool Dec 11 19:37:20 DJTachyon, that is an interesting idea . that is the kind of stuff I would like to download when I get g1 Dec 11 19:37:27 =/ .. had an RC18, Dec 11 19:37:35 :) Dec 11 19:37:40 to get more accurate finger control, might consider putting things in landscape mode? Dec 11 19:38:01 force it? or give it the option? Dec 11 19:38:05 hmm idk Dec 11 19:38:21 portrait seems a bit thin for seek control Dec 11 19:38:29 * jsharkey has never been a dj before Dec 11 19:38:30 yeah ... hmm Dec 11 19:38:33 :P Dec 11 19:38:37 wheres the xfader? :P Dec 11 19:39:01 this is solely made to replace a turntable Dec 11 19:39:07 oh ic Dec 11 19:39:30 the java audio API doesnt support mixing, speed, or anything yet Dec 11 19:39:35 so first step ;) Dec 11 19:41:31 dj: why not multiple levels of seek control Dec 11 19:41:59 3 levels! a past on top then a middle one which is "now" and then future on the bottom Dec 11 19:42:17 now could be seeking over a short interval, maybe like 20 seconds, so its easier to jump a small amount Dec 11 19:42:48 hmm .. or just radio switches to change the sensativity Dec 11 19:42:56 so youd have 3 seek bars stacked Dec 11 19:43:03 i think a radio button is a bad idea Dec 11 19:43:22 wow. woot checker keeps getting worse and worse. now is locked up my phone. Dec 11 19:43:56 ahhaa and as usual the app killer is gonna kill everything else. details in market? sure. Dec 11 19:43:57 there's an android woot checker app? Dec 11 19:44:03 or are you using a browser one? Dec 11 19:44:36 and when i go to ap.com (from their package name) its some unrelated company. Dec 11 19:44:41 ...././.-../.-../--- Dec 11 19:44:51 sure would be nice if teh goog took a TINY bit of oversight into their marketplace... Dec 11 19:45:28 question, how do I choose a digit (0-9) when I am listening to my voice mail? Dec 11 19:46:49 use the keyboard Dec 11 19:47:43 disconnect: www.thecrayonbox.org Dec 11 19:47:48 hmm, How do I get the phone onto speaker? Dec 11 19:47:50 yah see that Dec 11 19:47:56 I mean the louder voice. Dec 11 19:48:07 hubar: the g1 has speaker phone feature? Dec 11 19:48:44 BlindOracle: How do I switch them? Dec 11 19:48:57 rofl. "I am a blind deaf mute with no arms and an inability to Google Search – Whats Woot?" Dec 11 19:52:28 jesusfreke, i'd like to donate to your cause. Dec 11 19:53:02 what isn't JF's cause? Dec 11 19:53:16 he reminds me of the old Winmo 5 hackers ... who have moved on Dec 11 19:53:16 i guess a guy with no legs... Dec 11 19:53:35 but can JF hack the legs on? Dec 11 20:03:00 BlindOracle: what's with the morse code? Dec 11 20:05:34 hmmm .. gain control may be good too Dec 11 20:06:05 hubar: You want to know how to turn on the speaker phone? Dec 11 20:06:55 Nafai: I figued that out already. :) Thanks Dec 11 20:06:57 hubar: While in a call, hit menu and then hit speaker. 3rd button from the right on the bottom row Dec 11 20:07:00 Oh :) Dec 11 20:08:38 hmm, I am trying to figure out how to send SMS from gmail interface... Dec 11 20:10:00 number@tmomail.net? Dec 11 20:10:05 or something else? Dec 11 20:10:13 number@tmomail.net Dec 11 20:10:22 it's either SMS or MMS depending on the size Dec 11 20:11:00 hubar: Are you talking about the new feature that was added to the gmail web interface? Dec 11 20:11:12 Nafai: Yes Dec 11 20:11:22 It was just added today. Dec 11 20:11:43 You need to turn it on though Dec 11 20:11:53 from lab Dec 11 20:12:11 Okay .. how about this guys: http://www.djtachyon.com/android/AndroidDJ5.jpg Dec 11 20:13:17 i still dont know why the 9-patch background is forcing such a big pad at the bottom of the sub-layouts .. but it doesnt look too bad Dec 11 20:17:54 hey Dec 11 20:18:00 o/ Dec 11 20:18:20 i'm using a lib that requires java.awt.Dimension... is there a workaround for this? Dec 11 20:18:33 is awt open source by any chance? :P Dec 11 20:18:59 I believe nearly all of the java framework is open source Dec 11 20:19:30 hmm Dec 11 20:19:54 what is it in the java sdk? Dec 11 20:20:14 I don't recall offhand Dec 11 20:20:23 you can also look at gnu classpath Dec 11 20:20:26 hmm Dec 11 20:20:29 mmarker: eh? Dec 11 20:20:38 http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/java/ Dec 11 20:20:51 I want to extend the tutorial note application to be able to share notes (like you can do with images taken by a camera or in the photo viewer). Would I do this by using an intent? Dec 11 20:20:54 google "gnu classpath" be warned, though, down that path leads madness Dec 11 20:21:03 jesusfreke: ooh thanks Dec 11 20:21:05 not sure if that's it. just the first link I found :p Dec 11 20:21:24 mmarker: mmk :P if jesusfreke's link doesn't work i'll try that Dec 11 20:21:25 thanks Dec 11 20:21:57 you may want it anyway. The madness will occur no matter which way you go. Dec 11 20:22:16 hate...java... Dec 11 20:22:40 I've been trying to get 3rd party J2SE code working with android. It isn't easy. Dec 11 20:23:09 Ah, the joy of disk images under MacOS. Mine just corrupted itself beyond repair. That's gonna take a few hours to put back together. Dec 11 20:24:47 oooh Dec 11 20:24:51 it's in rt.jar! Dec 11 20:24:52 :) Dec 11 20:25:49 it worked!!! Dec 11 20:26:12 Just wait. compile does not mean work. Dec 11 20:28:06 Compiling against rt.jar does not help much if you're running code on the device. Dec 11 20:28:52 dgBlue Battery! Dec 11 20:29:20 anybody know how to implement OrientationListener Dec 11 20:29:21 ? Dec 11 20:29:39 blau-MikeDG, Whatsit do? Dec 11 20:30:25 Also, how much speed do you use that you churn out apps this fast? Dec 11 20:32:04 heheh .. All values are in micro-Tesla (uT) and measure the ambient magnetic field in the X, Y and -Z axis. Dec 11 20:32:31 heh this is getting complicated :P Dec 11 20:33:02 brock: enables/disables bluetooth based on call status Dec 11 20:33:05 I've not had much luck with the compass Dec 11 20:33:10 It likes to stick Dec 11 20:33:17 Probably I have too many electronics in my house. Dec 11 20:33:19 when you dial it turns on, and turns off when you hang up, when the phone starts ringing it turns on too Dec 11 20:33:20 i'm trying to combine Camera with PushBufferStream (jmf) Dec 11 20:33:30 blau-MikeDG, *nice* Dec 11 20:33:31 yeah .. is there a listener for just sliding out the screen? Dec 11 20:33:40 Why does the device not do that already? Dec 11 20:33:43 (optionally) Dec 11 20:33:59 Is it fast enough for a headset? Dec 11 20:34:13 for my garmin it is Dec 11 20:34:24 garmin makes headsets? Dec 11 20:34:30 my gps has bluetooth Dec 11 20:34:40 ill try my headset later and see how it goes Dec 11 20:34:54 i gotta roll Dec 11 20:34:57 ugh i either want to assign seperate views on the state of the orientation or make a listener to change a layout property on an orientation chagne .. it cant be that hard Dec 11 20:34:57 ttyl Dec 11 20:35:06 brock: mail me if you want a beta of it , vinblau@gmail.com Dec 11 20:35:15 blau-MikeDG, k thanks Dec 11 20:40:47 so who wants to make me happy and help me get started on this code? :P Dec 11 20:46:24 DJTachyon: no one, apparently :) Dec 11 20:46:28 indeed Dec 11 20:46:31 DJTachyon: super.OnCreate(bundle); Dec 11 20:46:37 :P Dec 11 20:46:51 ill give you a bundle Dec 11 20:46:54 thats bsd licensed tho, so you need to put me in the copyrights file and in the 'about' banner Dec 11 20:47:09 and a splash screen? Dec 11 20:47:13 if it has one Dec 11 20:47:16 :P Dec 11 20:47:47 i just need an orientation listener or somehow to change xml layout based on the slider orientation Dec 11 20:48:22 its been 3 years since i coded Object Oriented .. Dec 11 20:48:41 and i need to get a few hours experiance until it comes back to me Dec 11 20:48:50 the slider orientation? Dec 11 20:48:56 you mean the keyboard? Dec 11 20:49:04 yeah like a listener for landscape/portrait Dec 11 20:49:30 you dont need a listener to know when android changes your orientation. its default behaviour will be to destroy and recreate. Dec 11 20:49:51 but i need to change a layouts orientation property Dec 11 20:49:53 so in oncreate, just run my code and then check orientation before you pick a view Dec 11 20:50:04 http://www.djtachyon.com/android/AndroidDJ5.jpg Dec 11 20:50:04 Disconnect: no, that happens automatically for you Dec 11 20:50:38 DJTachyon: what you want, i think, is to use res/layout-land/ and res/layout-port/ Dec 11 20:50:47 putting your layout files there will cause android to automagically adjust them Dec 11 20:51:03 so i have to copy-paste the xml? Dec 11 20:51:27 if the xml doesn't change then it'll be magic and you can ignore the orientation Dec 11 20:52:02 it does change .. i need to move the media windows to the right of the control windows instead of below Dec 11 20:52:13 switching the parent linearlayout from vertical to horizontal Dec 11 20:52:37 like my screenshot shows Dec 11 20:53:08 then thats 2 xml files Dec 11 20:53:14 i figured Dec 11 20:53:50 [15:50:47] DJTachyon: what you want, i think, is to use res/layout-land/ and res/layout-port/ Dec 11 20:53:55 that was the missing info :P Dec 11 20:56:08 waste of space imo ... Dec 11 20:56:42 interesting .. that works perfect Dec 11 20:56:44 thanks Dec 11 20:58:43 next is to copy all the media player stuff over .. Dec 11 21:04:03 is the prebuilt compiler preferred over the Sourcery_G++_Lite compiler? Either have preference? Dec 11 21:04:21 prebuilt = prebuilt/linux-x86/toolchain/arm-eabi-4.2.1 Dec 11 21:04:43 The only difference I see is the Sourcery compiler is 4.3.2 Dec 11 21:06:06 BlindOracle: you can download the source for that toolchain and build it yourself as well Dec 11 21:06:30 not sure if thats relevant to you or not Dec 11 21:09:25 jasta: thanks. I was just curious if one compiler was officially preferred over the other, and if so, why. Dec 11 21:09:50 compilers aren't officially supported, remember? Dec 11 21:10:10 err...was supposed to read "unofficially" Dec 11 21:10:32 on phone - split attention Dec 11 21:10:37 BlindOracle: i truthfully don't know. i'm sure they would prefer that you use the toolchain they provide to ensure compatibility. otherwise, i doubt they car.e Dec 11 21:12:38 You can use any compiler you like. If it doesn't work, you get to keep the broken pieces. Dec 11 21:12:53 ..you're gonna keep the working pieces? thats not very nice. :( Dec 11 21:13:17 fadden: lol...wow...very gracious of you. Dec 11 21:16:07 Our facilities are already working at capacity with internal production equipped to recycle broken object files coming from the outside. Dec 11 21:16:20 uh, that didn't make sense Dec 11 21:16:36 Write it in French, then run it through babelfish. Dec 11 21:17:15 speaking of, how do you make an accented e on Android? Dec 11 21:17:39 either alt-e e (for acute), or long-press e (and pick the one you want) Dec 11 21:18:14 ugh i think i have to drive into manhatten tonight Dec 11 21:21:17 yay back from lunch Dec 11 21:21:35 It's just taken me over an hour to perform the simplest possible rebasing in git. Dec 11 21:21:43 I really need to learn more about git. Dec 11 21:21:53 jsharkey: glad to hear that you survived lunch :) Dec 11 21:22:04 Where is it documented that the origin for repo is "korg"? Dec 11 21:22:35 tomgibara: it's in the manifest. Dec 11 21:23:15 The file you initially point repo to? does that get copied locally? Dec 11 21:23:25 yes, check .repo/manifest.xm Dec 11 21:23:27 xml Dec 11 21:23:37 jbq: did i see you around the office somewhere? i was poking around and found my desk :) Dec 11 21:23:53 there now i can show off my non-functional android app :P Dec 11 21:23:56 it's on my phone Dec 11 21:24:07 I haven't quite left my desk today, busy busy busy. Dec 11 21:24:10 but you can drag sliders around and stuff :P Dec 11 21:24:55 jbq: thanks, I'd say that needs documenting, but no-one else seems to be having any problems? :) Dec 11 21:25:16 actually, repo is pretty well documented. Dec 11 21:25:18 where are the images in the wallpaper gallery stored, and can the set of them be changed? Dec 11 21:25:49 tomgibara: you can start here: http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=tools/repo.git;a=blob;f=docs/manifest-format.txt;h=562e66e2fe8d73d3cd310d6ae1e0aa2e94517035;hb=HEAD Dec 11 21:25:59 jbq: Yes, even with my meagre knowledge of git, I've bumbled along okay. Dec 11 21:26:03 kex_, it's in the Launcher code Dec 11 21:26:22 (and asking repo-discuss usually yields answers quickly - Shawn knows what he's talking about) Dec 11 21:26:22 ack, so no luck changing it if you're stuck on official rc30? Dec 11 21:27:02 kex_, yeah until the new root exploit comes out :) Dec 11 21:27:10 =) Dec 11 21:27:11 or rather, the reversion exploit Dec 11 21:27:18 ok, thanks =) Dec 11 21:27:28 Looks like the files are in the drawable area Dec 11 21:27:48 ah yes here they are Dec 11 21:27:49 jpegs Dec 11 21:27:58 packages/apps/Launcher/res/drawable Dec 11 21:28:23 Who's dale chihuly? Dec 11 21:28:46 nm googled Dec 11 21:29:30 i learnded a lots todays Dec 11 21:29:57 DJTachyon, Where did you get the idea for you app? Dec 11 21:30:04 9-patches, layout-port/land .. Dec 11 21:30:20 the idea? It is a DJ application.. I mix music .. Dec 11 21:30:30 :P Dec 11 21:30:56 unfortunately, with the current version of Android, it won't work ;) Dec 11 21:31:08 my G1 shipping news: UPS has it, scheduled to arrive tomorrow Dec 11 21:31:15 its in a city 2.5 hours away from me Dec 11 21:31:24 they couldnt deliver it today? Dec 11 21:31:31 ivantis, I hate it when that happens Dec 11 21:31:43 ummmm Dec 11 21:31:45 Considering that they can't be bothered to ring my doorbell, I can't say I'm surprised Dec 11 21:31:48 i got my new phone number Dec 11 21:31:52 okay, this has been happening quite often Dec 11 21:31:57 hm? Dec 11 21:32:02 i'll try to compile, it'll freeze for awhile Dec 11 21:32:07 then i'll get this error: Dec 11 21:32:16 patns too squeaky Dec 11 21:32:21 *pants Dec 11 21:32:29 http://dpaste.com/98272/ Dec 11 21:32:47 alrighty guys .. im out for the night .. have a good one Dec 11 21:32:52 later Dec 11 21:32:58 I saw the video of android on a htc touch phone. Is that the latest code from HEAD that has the new onscreen keyboard code? Dec 11 21:33:06 well, that's interesting. Dec 11 21:33:20 squeakypants: redownload the sdk? Dec 11 21:33:22 still nothing to do with RC30 stock ? Dec 11 21:33:25 tethridge, I think they added that for that project Dec 11 21:33:33 vol: hmm Dec 11 21:33:42 also the eclipse plugin? Dec 11 21:34:06 I don't know Dec 11 21:34:33 great, my new phone number spells "7-A-PENIS" Dec 11 21:35:01 ahahaha Dec 11 21:35:02 what Dec 11 21:35:13 ivantis, hahahaha Dec 11 21:35:26 hehehe Dec 11 21:35:31 could have been shorter, so be thankful Dec 11 21:35:39 could have been 4-a-penis Dec 11 21:35:43 http://www.phonespell.org/combo.cgi?n=YOUR-NUMBER Dec 11 21:35:46 dude Dec 11 21:35:49 that would suck Dec 11 21:37:19 friend had "DAS-OK-HO" Dec 11 21:37:38 or 727-DOGS for mine Dec 11 21:37:45 heh Dec 11 21:37:51 ok how do i manually recreate odex? Dec 11 21:37:51 my work number is a-jawa-08 Dec 11 21:38:42 * Disconnect has no browser :( Dec 11 21:39:43 i wish my last ones were 4826, ***-IVAN Dec 11 21:39:49 or IVA-NTIS Dec 11 21:40:12 482-6847 Dec 11 21:40:23 mine spells gild satan Dec 11 21:40:57 or I-Ike-satan Dec 11 21:41:15 umm wtf Dec 11 21:41:20 i think maybe it's my eclipse Dec 11 21:41:34 i tried updating the plugin and it froze and out of memory'd again Dec 11 21:41:48 yeah Dec 11 21:41:50 Disconnect: with dexopt Dec 11 21:41:52 try removing the plugin Dec 11 21:41:57 also, what version of eclipse are you using Dec 11 21:42:45 is there a way to find out w/o opening it? :P Dec 11 21:42:57 aha Dec 11 21:42:59 3.4.0 Dec 11 21:43:31 Disconnect, JesusFreke: do not run dexopt by hand Dec 11 21:43:51 really? Dec 11 21:43:58 yah it was a perms issue. if a system app is missing odex dalvik can't generate it by hand (perms on /data/dalvik-cache) Dec 11 21:44:02 It should be invoked by the package manager when the system starts. Dec 11 21:44:31 On production builds, the "odex" files live next to the "apk" files, rather than having stuff generated into /data/dalvik-cache. Dec 11 21:44:44 identical files? Dec 11 21:44:58 The "apk" files don't have a classes.dex, which means there's no way to generate anything. Dec 11 21:45:15 t-mobile ships from texas? Dec 11 21:45:24 maybe thats closest to me Dec 11 21:46:03 its possible i would get pre-rc30? Dec 11 21:46:17 In theory, anything missing (or that has a stale) optimized DEX will have it regenerated when the system boots and the package manager scans everything. Dec 11 21:46:40 So if you replaced a "system app", you'd need to replace the APK with something that has a classes.dex and remove the odex that was sitting next to it. Dec 11 21:46:48 (requires root, remounted /system partition, etc) Dec 11 21:46:51 yah Dec 11 21:47:08 Does the G1 work with bluetooth stereo earbuds? Dec 11 21:47:08 not sure what was broken but its happy enough now. had to chmod /data/dalvik-cache :/ Dec 11 21:47:21 Engineering builds don't have ".odex" files -- we just dexopt everything into /data/dalvik-cache on first boot. Takes a while, and soaks up about 20MB of /data. Dec 11 21:47:23 i mean, they cant have sold all of the pre-rc30s already, or just thrown them all away Dec 11 21:47:29 i heard the bluetooth sucks Dec 11 21:47:33 wanna get someone a gift Dec 11 21:47:57 check out my emu's wallpaper :) http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k142/squeakyp/g1wallpaper.jpg Dec 11 21:48:56 it would be cool if you could move the phone, literally, and then it would move the desktop thing Dec 11 21:49:07 that would be really annoying :p Dec 11 21:49:16 if you had it on a certain mode Dec 11 21:49:26 yeah but it'd be a cool gimmick for the first time Dec 11 21:49:29 like compass mode ;) Dec 11 21:49:40 ivantis: you could also tilt it left and right and have the screen slide Dec 11 21:50:06 or like if it had panorama mode Dec 11 21:50:11 ivantis: rumor has it that is somehwere in the code, just turned off right now Dec 11 21:50:13 that would be awesome Dec 11 21:50:18 shaking to change desktops Dec 11 21:50:34 what is that game on it, where you roll a marble around? Dec 11 21:50:46 there's many Dec 11 21:50:47 using something like that to display panorama pictures Dec 11 21:50:48 marble madness? Dec 11 21:50:52 ivantis: amazed Dec 11 21:50:59 oh is there one for android? Dec 11 21:51:04 ya Dec 11 21:51:14 marble madness is a fun game tho Dec 11 21:51:21 never actually gotten past level 3 Dec 11 21:51:32 cool Dec 11 21:51:35 without cheating Dec 11 21:51:39 i'm gonna get a g1 in a couple weeks Dec 11 21:51:41 infinite time Dec 11 21:51:47 unless there's a better option? :P Dec 11 21:51:56 mine is in the mail! i better get it tomorrow like UPS says Dec 11 21:52:04 cool Dec 11 21:52:14 heh... i feel like i'm gonna regret getting one Dec 11 21:52:30 idk google's always so awesome, but android feels so incomplete Dec 11 21:53:04 and the fact that you can't compile to it using anything but java (and java apps don't work on it natively either) Dec 11 21:53:34 yeah Dec 11 21:53:39 why no C++? Dec 11 21:53:46 * bgupta_ Thinks that now that Googlw Labs has a "Tasks" We need some network aware ToDo list apps for andoid. Dec 11 21:53:51 i'm wondering though Dec 11 21:54:10 lot's of typos in that last sentence Dec 11 21:54:13 they made a java bytecode -> dalvik bytecode compiler Dec 11 21:54:21 could they make like Dec 11 21:54:22 squeakypants, like all things google... its in beta :) Dec 11 21:54:29 MIPS -> dalvik bytecode? Dec 11 21:54:40 Someone from Google here? Is there really now Broadcast sent for an incoming call? Dec 11 21:55:04 it'd be awesome if we could compile libs to dalvik, then code the i/o in java Dec 11 21:55:15 it'd be fast, too! Dec 11 21:56:15 yeah Dec 11 21:56:16 that sounds like a very odd tool. Dec 11 21:56:22 vol: why? Dec 11 21:56:30 c++ -> MIPS -> dalvik Dec 11 21:56:40 or really Dec 11 21:56:46 anything -> MIPS -> dalvik Dec 11 21:56:57 thow in pascal somewhere too and you've got a plan Dec 11 21:57:00 make me a c++ -> java converter. Dec 11 21:57:11 vol: there's a couple out there already Dec 11 21:57:16 but they don't convert to bytecode Dec 11 21:57:19 yes, but I mean right now. Dec 11 21:57:22 they convert to source code Dec 11 21:57:49 so you can't use em as libraries or anything Dec 11 21:58:18 and it's really complicated to get it working (slowly) and i'd be near impossible to get working on android Dec 11 21:59:25 squeakypants: get a dev fone. then you can write and run all the native code you want Dec 11 21:59:41 blount: that doesn't help me when releasing apps Dec 11 21:59:58 yup Dec 11 22:00:04 the only way to write native code for android is to get it into the repo Dec 11 22:00:21 Is there anyway to get a RandomAccessFile over an asset? Dec 11 22:00:24 which won't happen unless it's a necessary OS function Dec 11 22:00:33 so something like VLC won't get in :P Dec 11 22:00:34 I feel it should be possible, but the framework API doesn't seem allow it. Dec 11 22:01:33 so yeah... i know it'll never work, but i'm gettin close to finishing a video recorder :P Dec 11 22:02:25 blurry videos Dec 11 22:02:27 rock on Dec 11 22:02:31 meh Dec 11 22:02:38 java regex fails Dec 11 22:02:53 man this is so cool! Dec 11 22:02:59 im using maps on the emulator Dec 11 22:03:06 heh Dec 11 22:03:06 my city is street-viewed Dec 11 22:03:11 java regex is a little "funny" Dec 11 22:03:18 which is to say the docs are wrong : ( Dec 11 22:03:21 i cant wait until tomorrow after school Dec 11 22:03:32 my G1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dec 11 22:05:21 ivantis: have fun :) Dec 11 22:06:16 anyone else here street-viewed? Dec 11 22:12:11 yes Dec 11 22:17:59 Has anyone gotten framebuffer X11 to run on G1 yet? Or used the fb at all? Dec 11 22:18:22 does anybody know easier way to debug JNI code in eclipse? Dec 11 22:18:59 ddock: android uses the framebuffer Dec 11 22:19:25 uncleD: you should talk to vol, i know that he has done a lot of work debugging JNI code (though not in eclipse AFAIK) Dec 11 22:19:59 can't you kill android? Dec 11 22:20:11 ddock: pardon? Dec 11 22:20:32 stop the android graphical environment and run barebone *nix with framebuffer X11? Dec 11 22:20:59 uhh, no, i believe we are a long ways away from such a thing Dec 11 22:21:52 why? I was running Debian, with full X11 binaries. There doesn't seem to be anything exotic about the framebuffer device, is there? Dec 11 22:22:40 no. Dec 11 22:22:52 i wrote a VNC server for it a while back hehe Dec 11 22:23:29 cool. I'd love to use that, did you make it public? Dec 11 22:23:58 Is there a possibility to keep a service alive all the time. The service is doing nothing except waiting for incoming calls with a listener. I know that I should use a BroadcastReceiver for such cases. Bu there is no Brodcast sent for that Action. Dec 11 22:24:16 anno^da_: yes, absolutely Dec 11 22:24:23 So I have to rely on my service. Dec 11 22:24:44 vol: What is the right way to do that. I have fired up my service from the UI with startService(..) Dec 11 22:24:56 anno^da_: yes. Then just disconnect. Dec 11 22:25:00 There is a flag, I forget which Dec 11 22:25:06 which allows services to run even if there is nothing bound to them Dec 11 22:25:40 Ok I'm searching for that now. Dec 11 22:25:53 Is the flag set in the startService method? Dec 11 22:26:21 jasta: so why do you think fb X11 is so far off? Dec 11 22:26:54 ddock: as a usable phone platform? Dec 11 22:26:56 may be this could help...http://www.kineteksystems.com/white-papers/mixedjavaandc.html Dec 11 22:27:13 no, as a toy. :) I didn't say it might be practical... Dec 11 22:27:30 Although VLC or framebuffer mplayer would be very useful at this point. Dec 11 22:27:36 oh man oh man oh man Dec 11 22:27:48 maybe i should skip school tomorrow just to get my phone Dec 11 22:27:52 right when it comes Dec 11 22:28:02 Although as a usable phone platform, the old Companion project did a ton of work for the ipaq way back when. Dec 11 22:30:32 * ddock forgets if the project was called companion....Familiar and Intimate rather, at handhelds.org. I made good use of GPE and Opie over years. Dec 11 22:32:37 if you curious, if appears the Sourcery compiler is more complete than the prebuilt compiler. For example, iosfwd is missing from the prebuilt Dec 11 22:32:56 what happens if i call my phone before i have gotten it? Dec 11 22:33:10 ivantis: time paradox? Dec 11 22:33:23 i got an email with the new number Dec 11 22:33:34 ivantis: who cares? Dec 11 22:33:36 i just called and it said leave a message Dec 11 22:33:53 maybe i will and listen to it when i get my phone Dec 11 22:38:33 why don't you post your new number so we can ALL leave messages ;) Dec 11 22:39:19 Howdy. Dumb question... I just got the SDK and I'm in OSX. Do I need to use Eclipse IDe for Java EE Developers, or Eclipse IDE for Java Developers? (at http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/) Dec 11 22:41:09 uh no Dec 11 22:41:13 why would i do that? Dec 11 22:42:45 cmang: For Java Developers Dec 11 22:42:49 not the JEE version Dec 11 22:42:56 if in doubt, get eclipse "classic" Dec 11 22:43:20 vol: Thank you. Dec 11 22:44:34 you're welcome Dec 11 22:57:10 should i? Dec 11 22:57:21 stay home from school tomorrow to sign for my G1? Dec 11 22:57:27 my dad might not be awake Dec 11 22:57:32 and that would suck Dec 11 22:58:01 :\ Dec 11 22:58:29 but i think i have a quiz or test in geometry tomorrow Dec 11 22:59:03 what should i do? Dec 11 22:59:12 ivantis: go to school, pick it up from the UPS depot at 5 Dec 11 22:59:22 UPS depot? Dec 11 22:59:28 vol: but what if he gets to the UPS depot and its still on the truck? that sucks Dec 11 22:59:29 when it's out for delivery and comes back Dec 11 22:59:35 yeah, that always sucks Dec 11 22:59:37 you end up waiting around for hours Dec 11 23:00:17 and then who knows... its friday.. if you miss it... you wont see it till monday Dec 11 23:00:31 any idea if the sourcery compiler supports the -mandroid compiler flag? Dec 11 23:00:53 mandroid Dec 11 23:00:55 hot ;D Dec 11 23:01:03 (no idea) Dec 11 23:02:04 fun - I got a remote xterm running on my G1. time to apt-get firefox... :) Dec 11 23:02:19 * BlindOracle was reading some of the gcc mailing lists for ongoing android platform support Dec 11 23:02:58 ddock: xterm client is running on g1? Displaying on desktop? Dec 11 23:03:16 i bet thats SOOOO fast ;) Dec 11 23:04:29 yeah. I did the debian side-by-side, installed ssh, apt-get xterm, and ssh -X my.phone.ip Dec 11 23:04:57 phone from google or t-mobile? Dec 11 23:04:58 gez, the debian puritans are still calling "firefox" as "iceweasel"? Dec 11 23:05:05 t-mobile G1 phone. Dec 11 23:05:13 pre-rc30? Dec 11 23:05:24 hacked rc-30 Dec 11 23:05:40 i need to be shown how to do this Dec 11 23:05:42 nice sshd is running on g1 Dec 11 23:05:48 i want X11 on my G1 Dec 11 23:06:20 whats this debian side-by-side? Dec 11 23:06:33 http://www.saurik.com/id/10 Dec 11 23:06:36 ivantis: you can almost kinda do it Dec 11 23:06:42 Xvnc runs Dec 11 23:06:49 and there's a semi-functional android vnc viewer Dec 11 23:06:52 you can just point it at localhost Dec 11 23:07:10 sparkle: neat idea! :) Dec 11 23:07:36 weird, is there some problem with parseInt on a hex value? works in regular Java but not in the Android SDK Dec 11 23:09:17 absolutely should not be. Can you pastebin an example? Dec 11 23:10:03 is there a way to run X11 on the G1 without that debian thing? Dec 11 23:10:22 ivantis: so are you skippin your geo test tomorrow or what? inquiring minds want to know Dec 11 23:10:34 nah Dec 11 23:10:38 ill go to school Dec 11 23:10:58 then to UPS if it was unsigned at my house Dec 11 23:12:29 geometry/trigonometry is sweet Dec 11 23:13:04 * ddock types "firefox" ... waiting.... :) Dec 11 23:13:34 there are a bunch of UPS stores in my city Dec 11 23:13:42 why secant get the loan? because tangent wouldn't cosine! Dec 11 23:13:43 i need one that is "UPS depot"? Dec 11 23:14:40 * ddock wants to laugh, but is strangely reluctant... what a whacky tangent! Dec 11 23:14:56 ivantis: it depends on what you mean by "run X" Dec 11 23:15:09 like being able to run xterm Dec 11 23:15:10 think i might have a defective battery. Dec 11 23:15:41 i can go from 100 to 84 in less than half an hour with nothing but 3g on and checking mail once during that period. Dec 11 23:15:59 run xterm, or display xterm? Dec 11 23:16:14 http://www.jcraft.com/wiredx/index.html has a 100% java X server impl that could probably be ported to android. Dec 11 23:16:19 ahah! I have achieved a firefox windows remotely from my phone! Dec 11 23:16:32 joakime: you wouldn't want to do it that way Dec 11 23:16:34 I heard, not sure its true that the htc charger isn't all that good and people have had better results using a blackberry charger. Dec 11 23:16:35 * ddock hears the opening to 2001...bong bong bong Dec 11 23:16:39 I thnk I might try it. Dec 11 23:16:42 due to the way that android apps can be restarted at the whim of the OS Dec 11 23:16:45 display xterm Dec 11 23:17:01 something that supports reconnect like vnc would probably be a lot more transparent Dec 11 23:17:02 vol: enh, looks like it's garbage in, garbage out.. when I split the string I was parsing, each number had \x1b after it Dec 11 23:17:21 vol: couldn't see it in logcat until I piped it through less Dec 11 23:18:27 * ddock browses the web in Firefox on G1... not recommended for the impatient, but a great time.. :) Dec 11 23:21:02 Does init spawn app_process? My firefox baby is memory hungry...must kill... Dec 11 23:23:35 * ddock quietly types 'apt-get remove iceweasel'... Dec 11 23:31:21 Versed: yea i have a curve charger here, though it's rated at less than the G1 charger. Dec 11 23:31:46 did you hear about that? Dec 11 23:32:09 I have a bold, probably the same charger. Dec 11 23:32:28 maybe it deep cycles (or whatever its called) better then the htc one? Dec 11 23:42:51 Versed: no idea, dont think i should have to worry about that sort of stuff honestly. Dec 11 23:43:08 yeah Dec 11 23:43:15 but, gonna try it nevertheless. Dec 11 23:44:13 is this a good deal? Dec 11 23:44:13 http://pubmx.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=4399 Dec 11 23:45:39 whee, put 256 color support into ConnectBot Dec 11 23:45:40 http://the-b.org/~kenny/temp/cb-256-test.png Dec 11 23:45:52 what kind of moron is running UPS? Dec 11 23:45:57 they passed my city! Dec 11 23:47:20 nice work. connectbot is a great app. Dec 11 23:56:09 ddock, make sure to donate if you like the app Dec 11 23:56:12 I do, and did Dec 11 23:56:20 I just did actually. :) Dec 11 23:56:31 very worthy of it. Dec 11 23:56:51 definitely Dec 11 23:59:06 I'm not sure if anyone uses 256 color terminal, but it was fun. Dec 11 23:59:34 white-on-black for life Dec 12 00:00:32 yeah, I'm going to add in a system color palette changer as well Dec 12 00:00:45 I'm a green or amber man myself. But as long as I'm not staring into a 100 watt white background I'm good. :) Dec 12 00:00:46 Because a lot of people have strong preferences Dec 12 00:01:04 man, cmd.exe is the worst Dec 12 00:01:22 I think that's my least-favorite part of Windows Dec 12 00:01:38 heheh Dec 12 00:01:56 yeah, laugh it up, chuckles Dec 12 00:02:10 I'm too lazy to install cygwin on this machine Dec 12 00:05:59 im using connect bot on the emu right now, awesome! Dec 12 00:07:39 whats control? Dec 12 00:08:17 escape is 2 taps on the trackball Dec 12 00:08:21 control is 1 tap on the trackball Dec 12 00:08:22 afaik Dec 12 00:08:26 otherwise read the README Dec 12 00:13:10 Hi, I'm wanting my app to be able to toggle certain phone settings. Where might I find some code examples that show how to do this? Dec 12 00:14:11 savid, i'll tell you a secret... #android-dev is a channel where they talk about development... this is only general chitchat Dec 12 00:14:15 don't pass it on Dec 12 00:14:19 Damm, he cross-posted anyway Dec 12 00:14:26 Damm, gotcha, thx Dec 12 00:14:28 KNY, ahh i'm not in there. Dec 12 00:14:39 but i think that's covered in the SDK docs tbh Dec 12 00:15:03 KNY, heh, busted. yeah I asked here and then realized there might be a dev chan. Dec 12 00:16:07 I'm pretty sure that is in the docs. If not, isn't AnyCut OSS? Dec 12 00:29:28 is there a double adaptor that allows you to charge your g1, and have an audio output at the same time? Dec 12 00:31:44 the wing came with one, so yes there is one Dec 12 00:34:12 Hey anyone have any clue how to find out if your dev phone order went through? Dec 12 00:35:03 check your credit card/bank statement? :P Dec 12 00:35:17 hmmm.. Dec 12 00:35:21 I was already charged for mine, but haven't gotten it yet Dec 12 00:35:24 snadge: Search for HTC Y adapter. Dec 12 00:35:27 and the website says I haven't ordered anything. Dec 12 00:35:31 just that a dev phone is in my cart. Dec 12 00:43:58 ok the Y cable allows you to use headphones and still say charge at the same time.. but, what if you want to use your headset, and charge the phone at the same time.. would it not need to be a dual usb adaptor or something? does that even exist? Dec 12 00:44:34 or would you use bluetooth with that.. having its own problems, like having to have a self powered headset and use more power by having bluetooth enabled Dec 12 00:44:53 * ttuttle is planning to solve that problem with Bluetooth once A2DP is supported. Dec 12 00:45:48 lok for 3 in 1 11 pin connecter Dec 12 00:46:08 http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Android_FAQ#Q:_Can_I_get_an_adapter_that_lets_me_listen_to_the_G1.2C_while_still_charging_it.3F Dec 12 00:46:15 ttuttle, A2DP only requires the proper modules right? Dec 12 00:46:17 "ok the Y cable allows you to use headphones and still say charge at the same time.. but, what if you want to use your headset, and charge the phone at the same time.." Dec 12 00:46:22 Those are the EXACT same things, snadge... Dec 12 00:46:36 or is there more lacking with the bluetooth on the G1 Dec 12 00:46:37 Damm: Uh, it requires a bit more than that, like framework support. Dec 12 00:47:13 ttuttle, oh right... but that's a start Dec 12 00:47:35 Damm: 90% of the work is likely ironing out bugs and problems with particular uses of the API or particular headsets. Dec 12 00:48:15 ttuttle, you'd think with Bluetooth being a "Standard" it would be just reading the specs and bam... but we all know the truth on that. Dec 12 00:48:41 Damm: Heh. Dec 12 00:48:42 Damm: Yeah. Dec 12 00:48:55 Damm: I mena it's better to have to support quirks of a device than to have to support an *entirely* new device. Dec 12 00:49:47 ttutle: You guys working on support for a BT or USB keyboards? (Thinking USB host needs to be implemented first for USB keyboards) Dec 12 00:49:51 to charge and use the standard headset, you'd need 2 usb ports.. one for the charger, one for your headset.. with the 3 in 1 convertor, you could also plug the audio out into your car stereo :P Dec 12 00:55:42 back Dec 12 00:56:20 Damm: you wouldn't believe the huge exception tables for bluetooth devices... per vendor.. *and* per device Dec 12 00:56:29 isssscrazyyyyy i tell ya Dec 12 00:56:43 SanMehat, I would. Dec 12 00:56:57 hi Dec 12 00:56:57 It's why I'm debating dumping my headset and trying to find one that works better with my G1 Dec 12 00:57:19 I have the 2nd revision of the Jawbone headset (BT) and the volume on it is horrid Dec 12 00:57:29 sometimes it works flawlessly and other times it fails.. miserably Dec 12 00:57:43 and i'm talking hangup, and dial again Dec 12 01:00:14 i want to draw about 32 fields which are should be able to change theyre look if pressed and tell me if they where pressed...what widget i could use for that? Dec 12 01:01:13 Google Chrome is still Windows only?!? Dec 12 01:01:29 why does my g1 occasionally turn the screen on Dec 12 01:01:33 with nothing happening Dec 12 01:01:38 it's kinda annoying. Dec 12 01:04:56 has anyone tried the g1 car mounting kit on amazon? Dec 12 01:05:10 http://www.amazon.com/Windshield-Holder-Suction-T-mobile-Smartphone/dp/B000IO60XO/ref=pd_sim_a_8 Dec 12 01:05:57 or the leather case for that matter.. i've got one of those plastic ones, and they're okay.. but it conflicts with car mounting thing Dec 12 01:25:12 haha Dec 12 01:25:26 Anyone know if there is going to be a progress bar or something added so that Android doesn't try to force close the messaging application when deleting a large thread? Dec 12 01:26:10 Personally, I'd prefer to see the issue really fixed (i.e. do the deletion in the background) Dec 12 01:27:51 That would work as well Dec 12 01:28:48 (amusingly, in order to display a progress bar, you'd have to fix the real problem first, because the progress bar wouldn't animate while the app is blocked). Dec 12 01:28:58 lol Dec 12 01:31:48 jbq: what are you on palmos or something? Dec 12 01:32:02 geist: well, of course :) Dec 12 01:32:30 palmos++ Dec 12 01:32:58 * Leeds wonders what the chances are that Palm's announcement at CES is that they're going Android Dec 12 01:33:17 * geist shuts up Dec 12 01:33:35 Leeds, wouldn't that pretty much destroy all credibility of palm? Dec 12 01:33:47 I realize Palm and PalmOS splitup Dec 12 01:34:02 but that's like Microsoft selling Android phones and Linux servers Dec 12 01:34:04 they have credibility? Dec 12 01:34:14 with some idiots yes Dec 12 01:34:17 not you clearly Dec 12 01:34:21 Palm is a self destructing company. Dec 12 01:34:27 dog, we got street cred Dec 12 01:34:46 * geist turns away and cries Dec 12 01:34:47 they had it, they had a great OS for its day. and ya know what, they didn't do shit with it. Dec 12 01:34:52 a Treo running Android could be a great device Dec 12 01:35:36 . Dec 12 01:35:48 Palm have been talking about their 'next-gen' Linux-based platform for *years*... Access have released both PalmOS 6 and ALP without anyone ever shipping hardware Dec 12 01:36:17 i want to see a task manager for android ;) Dec 12 01:36:30 no reason why the next-gen PalmOS shouldn't be Android with a Palm layer Dec 12 01:36:34 we're not even trusted to close our own programs if we want to.. i dont get it Dec 12 01:37:03 i dont understand why half the programs dont even have the option to quit/exit Dec 12 01:38:03 *no* program should have the option to quit/exit, AIUI Dec 12 01:38:19 the android site needs a tech note about the theory of why android does not, in general, need a program manager or file manager Dec 12 01:39:09 incidentally, Palm appear to have just posted a competition on their blog... using an xkcd cartoon! Dec 12 01:39:28 oh? Dec 12 01:39:42 whereat? Dec 12 01:39:50 http://blog.palm.com/palm/2008/12/celebrate-with-palm-in-las-vegas.html Dec 12 01:39:50 i didn't know we even had a blog Dec 12 01:40:00 ah, you actually are @palm? :-) Dec 12 01:40:12 geist, because you don't blog on it? Dec 12 01:40:13 yeah Dec 12 01:40:19 oh i'm sure that's marketing Dec 12 01:41:01 geist: so if you're here, that means Palm is doing Android, right? Dec 12 01:41:33 maybe it's because i have worked pretty closely with about half the android team Dec 12 01:41:44 Be, danger, etc Dec 12 01:41:53 I have a G1 as well Dec 12 01:41:58 Leeds: okay.. so if i manually start say 20 programs, none of which have the option to exit.. what happens to the phones memory? Dec 12 01:42:15 Palm was very cool up until the decision was made to bend over and get ass-raped by MS Dec 12 01:42:23 * geist nods Dec 12 01:42:33 the phones memory infinitely expands proportional to the amount of programs you have running? i still dont get it :P Dec 12 01:42:40 i've been here about a year, and i can tell you it's a *very* different company than before Dec 12 01:42:49 someone hit a big red Reset Button Dec 12 01:42:57 honestly I remember the Treo 600 and 650 Dec 12 01:43:07 PalmOS has lived forever and a day Dec 12 01:43:08 snadge: you only have a small number of apps running interactively at any one time... the others get messages from the OS telling them to save their state and shut down - or go to absolutely minimal resource usage Dec 12 01:43:16 geist: in a good way or a bad way? Dec 12 01:43:24 a good way, or i wouldn't be here Dec 12 01:43:29 cool Dec 12 01:43:40 the problem is they need to re-find their niche, and that's hard with the way the market is now Dec 12 01:43:43 Leeds: but a badly designed app coudl ignore the os telling them to save state and shut down Dec 12 01:43:55 and it could even decide to increase resource usage :P Dec 12 01:43:56 Damm: yeah tell me about it Dec 12 01:43:57 I mean you have Winmo, Android, Blackberry as your smartphones Dec 12 01:44:05 snadge: sooner or later it'll get killed by the OS (actually the Android runtime stuff) Dec 12 01:44:16 it's a managed system Dec 12 01:44:24 to bring back PalmOS you'd need to give it something that none of them offer Dec 12 01:44:30 right but in the meantime.. i can log in with adb, and kill the process manually ;) Dec 12 01:44:33 and opening up PalmOS's source wouldn't help Dec 12 01:44:57 some of the things Palm has done over the years are just /palm Dec 12 01:45:01 so sad Dec 12 01:45:09 remember the PDA with a Hard Drive? Dec 12 01:45:11 it is sad. Dec 12 01:45:16 you dont have to tell me that. the place is litered with dumb stuff Dec 12 01:45:29 geist: well, for what it's worth... I got an SE phone to replace my 680 when it died earlier this year... I replaced that with a G1 about a month ago, even though I'm still paying for the SE one... if there's a real Palm Linux phone coming, I've got the money right here, even if it's my third phone in a year Dec 12 01:45:33 all us new folks have a pretty cynical attitude about it Dec 12 01:45:47 particularly if it's a Palm Android phone ;-) Dec 12 01:45:59 most of mgmt and upper engineer is ex-Apple. me included Dec 12 01:46:24 geist: I thought a lot of the engineers at Palm were ex-Apple from day one? Dec 12 01:46:40 what, like 10 years ago? irrelevant Dec 12 01:46:55 i mean recent ex-apple Dec 12 01:46:59 post iphone Dec 12 01:47:01 actually i cant figure out the process name Dec 12 01:47:16 irrelevant maybe, but not uninteresting... there's always been a relationship Dec 12 01:47:34 there's a similar relationship with a lot of stuff out here in the bay Dec 12 01:47:42 lots of android folks are ex apple too Dec 12 01:47:49 weren't they part of US Robotics and 3Comm? Dec 12 01:47:50 essentially everyone has worked at apple at least once around here Dec 12 01:47:56 * jbq hasn't Dec 12 01:47:59 :) Dec 12 01:48:13 which is one of the reasons why MS being out of the valley is important Dec 12 01:48:34 I only worked for two bay area companies - neither were Apple (or Palm) :-) Dec 12 01:48:54 lots of Danger was ex-apple too Dec 12 01:49:02 and half of them are at android now Dec 12 01:49:06 mixing in with the ex Be folks Dec 12 01:49:14 which was very tied to apple, of course Dec 12 01:49:19 they couldn't stomach being part of MSFT? Dec 12 01:49:37 not sure too many folks have bailed since MSFT Dec 12 01:49:55 well, they have, but not sure many of them are at android Dec 12 01:50:04 since that was all 2nd or 3rd gen dangerites by that point Dec 12 01:51:31 Versed: Remember that one of the cofounders of Anroid Inc. was the cofounder of Danger.. (Andy Rubin). Dec 12 01:51:35 working for microsoft isn't all that. Dec 12 01:51:44 i'd hate it for sure Dec 12 01:51:44 and interviewing with microsoft is *yawn* Dec 12 01:51:50 <-- Seattle Dec 12 01:52:05 It's rough finding non Windows jobs up here depending on the market Dec 12 01:52:05 that'd be the only reason i'd work there, if i wanted to live in seattle real badly Dec 12 01:52:05 Damn all kidding aside, I heard they are good to work for Dec 12 01:52:18 Damm: pssh, that's not true. Dec 12 01:52:25 trouble is they sound like they're big company in all the ways i hate big company Dec 12 01:52:31 Damm: Amazon, for starters Dec 12 01:52:41 i cant stand process, layers of management Dec 12 01:52:44 geist, there's more then Microsoft up here, lots of small companies who think big... and a few big ones Dec 12 01:52:54 that's why i'm not at apple anymore Dec 12 01:52:55 jasta, I can't stand Amazon... Dec 12 01:52:57 and palm is already pushing it Dec 12 01:53:09 T-Mobile's headquarters is here too Dec 12 01:53:10 how can one change de dafault system wallpaper in the Android source code ? Dec 12 01:53:12 gimme a 20 person company any day Dec 12 01:53:14 jasta, yep Dec 12 01:53:19 if you want to work for T-Mobile Dec 12 01:53:26 geist, i'm at a 20 person company Dec 12 01:53:31 a bunch of my friends work for a company called Isilon doing Samba and FreeBSD hacking Dec 12 01:53:37 pay is dotcom era Dec 12 01:53:38 Damm: why wouldn't you? Dec 12 01:53:40 * geist pines for the days at Be Dec 12 01:53:46 that was some fun stuff Dec 12 01:53:54 it was, yeah. Dec 12 01:53:56 it's nice to see 80k as a sysadmin Dec 12 01:53:57 jasta you're in Bonn? Dec 12 01:54:05 (or maybe we were just younger) Dec 12 01:54:05 where? Dec 12 01:54:06 usually you don't see that until sr. sysadmin Dec 12 01:54:11 I had a friend that used to work at Isilon Dec 12 01:54:18 TMO's hq Dec 12 01:54:20 really? who, i bet i know him if it was recent Dec 12 01:54:35 Versed: bonn? tmobiles in bellevue, wa. Dec 12 01:54:44 i wonder why i cant get mms messaging to work with my g1 :P Dec 12 01:55:19 snadge, the fact that T-Mobile is using a special MMSC for the G1 should speak for itself. Dec 12 01:55:54 Damm: I have apparently added the mms settings for my provider, to the apn settings in my phone.. and deleted all t-mobile apns.. should this matter? Dec 12 01:55:59 jasta, people call T-mobile's HQ lots of weird things... I don't know why. Dec 12 01:56:11 snadge, no idea, don't have an unlocked G1 Dec 12 01:56:22 so anyone with a dev phone able to use the AIM messaging on non tmo networks? Dec 12 01:56:31 I haven't the foggiest on how the APN menu actually works on the G1. Dec 12 01:56:40 Damm: like? Dec 12 01:56:46 geist, well the AIM on the G1 uses SMS right afaik Dec 12 01:57:07 jasta, Bonn, and someone called it something really awkward that I don't recall the name of. Dec 12 01:57:11 not as far as i know Dec 12 01:57:13 earlier Dec 12 01:57:20 i think it just wants to talk to some server run by tmo Dec 12 01:57:24 i had to flash my tmo g1, that i got from Manhattan NY.. with the UK TC5-RC8 from from JF.. because my provider (Optus Australia) were billing me 35 cents every minute or so, because of the MyFaves sms problem Dec 12 01:57:28 geist, afaik it is... using something village Dec 12 01:57:33 as their provider for MSN and Yahoo Dec 12 01:57:37 good lord, what a piece of crap Dec 12 01:57:41 my memory is failing Dec 12 01:57:50 either way, it dont work on non tmo networks Dec 12 01:57:55 nope Dec 12 01:57:57 geist: if it works like all their other phones, it uses text messages, thats how they offer plans with aim but no data access Dec 12 01:58:00 that's the #1 fail for me on android Dec 12 01:58:10 well, except for the sidekicks Dec 12 01:58:12 it's nto android Dec 12 01:58:14 where we did AIM for reals Dec 12 01:58:15 it's t-mobile Dec 12 01:58:17 it's G1. Dec 12 01:58:23 yeah, it's android not having the balls to stand up to tmo Dec 12 01:58:26 or HTC, someone Dec 12 01:58:33 nah it's just like any other phone Dec 12 01:58:43 T-Mobile does what they want, removes what they want. Dec 12 01:58:56 ok so let me get this straight.. MMS on non t-mobile networks, on the G1.. simply will not work? Dec 12 01:59:00 it's not profitable for HTC to sell an Unlocked phone and let you do whatever. Dec 12 01:59:01 ummmm but google is selling an unlocked phone Dec 12 01:59:03 to developers Dec 12 01:59:05 right Dec 12 01:59:16 you have to stand up to them and draw the line sometimes Dec 12 01:59:18 Fredbo, right, but they are not expecting to sell 1.6million + Dec 12 01:59:20 it's give and take Dec 12 01:59:35 you should have seen the crap they tried to cram down our throats at danger Dec 12 01:59:38 unlike the G1 they are trying to shove down everyones throats at a T-Mobile store. Dec 12 01:59:42 snadge, I can't send an mms from my g1 to my bold, or any other phone, but can the the other way Dec 12 01:59:46 and we came up with a pretty good compromise Dec 12 01:59:51 and at least had a great AIM experience Dec 12 01:59:53 I called tmo, they said its a problem with att. Dec 12 02:00:01 well, doubt it. Dec 12 02:00:06 snadge, if it makes you feel better MMS on the G1 doesn't work very well. Dec 12 02:00:15 I've only gotten it to work once out of 8x Dec 12 02:00:19 and the receiver was a G1. Dec 12 02:00:27 it isn't ATT, it's that you can't auth with their wireless village from non tmo network Dec 12 02:00:28 thats the way of the mobile phone business... in order to get sales volume, they have it tied to a contract with a carrier, in which case it will be locked to that carrier Dec 12 02:00:33 presumably because they configured it that way Dec 12 02:00:45 geist, its odd. Dec 12 02:00:54 geist, well wirelessvillage is in the same situation... they are a provider Dec 12 02:00:59 they bend over for T-Mobile Dec 12 02:01:05 yeah Dec 12 02:01:41 It's safe to say that Americans lost their way along time ago Dec 12 02:01:48 atleast IMO Dec 12 02:01:53 well hey now Dec 12 02:01:58 that's a pretty big leap there man Dec 12 02:02:03 tiz why I refuse to buy Bluray Dec 12 02:02:09 geist, not really... Dec 12 02:02:32 at least we appreciate a real keyboard, not that T9 crap Dec 12 02:02:34 geist, if you advertise it long enough on tv... and tell people rebooting 80x a day is normal... they will eventually believe it is normal Dec 12 02:02:38 until someone changes their mind Dec 12 02:02:39 of course even though the included aim client is using that wireless village junk (yuck), nothing prevents third parties from making a better (proxied, please!) IM client Dec 12 02:02:58 swetland, I thought it was SMS + wireless village Dec 12 02:03:01 yeah, surprised no one has done it yet Dec 12 02:03:08 sms is not used as a transport Dec 12 02:03:12 i guess cause it works well enough for the vast majority of users on tmo's network Dec 12 02:03:17 wow then wireless village sucks Dec 12 02:03:30 yeah, it's just running through their network for the hey of it Dec 12 02:03:33 i think I got AIM to work on wifi once. Dec 12 02:03:41 but it barely worked Dec 12 02:03:44 yeah, acutally forgot to mention that. it works over wifi Dec 12 02:03:46 I don't know the details of the tmo/wirelessvillage relationship, but I do know that sms is not involved Dec 12 02:03:49 needless to say AIM doesn't work well Dec 12 02:04:03 of course gtalk works. why would you use anything else? Dec 12 02:04:13 geist, I use Maverick for Google talk Dec 12 02:04:21 geist: I'd like a hiptop-quality aim client to talk with people who use aim Dec 12 02:04:23 the G1 has finally dragged me kicking and screaming into using gmail, may as well switch me to gtalk Dec 12 02:04:25 much cleaner. Dec 12 02:04:31 atleast imo Dec 12 02:05:05 is it proxied at all? the google client does a reasonable job of smoothing out burps in the device data connectivity instead of having you logout/login constantly Dec 12 02:05:18 though maybe depending on your coverage, that's less of an issue Dec 12 02:05:42 yeah, that's the key. you really need something to smooth it out Dec 12 02:05:45 on hiptop it was always a pretty huge advantage that the aim client was proxied so it could ride out short (couple minutes or so) data disconnects Dec 12 02:06:23 what does the MNC and MCC values mean in the APN setup page? Dec 12 02:06:50 those are the numbers that identify the network Dec 12 02:07:09 oh, has anyone else noticed a bug with the gtalk client, where sometimes if you get several messages in a row, they will notify at the top, then when you open the client only the last one shows up Dec 12 02:07:15 I don't know what the acronyms are for offhand (gsm technobabble of some sort) Dec 12 02:07:30 are they necessary? im trying my best to get mms working.. it _should_ work, i can find people talking about getting it working with other providers.. but no real useful information Dec 12 02:07:51 snadge: what provider are you trying to get it working on? Dec 12 02:08:19 Optus Australia, prepaid.. i have the settings from them in a pdf file, that are specific to HTC Dream.. but its still an "unsupported phone" Dec 12 02:09:25 i sent a test mms to myself.. it hasnt arrived, just disappeared Dec 12 02:10:27 into the aether Dec 12 02:11:16 now i know why the iphone didnt bother with mms support, its obviously too much effort for something which is crap anyway Dec 12 02:11:43 from what I can tell: MMSC = http://mmsc.optus.com.au:8002, MMS proxy = 61.88.190.10 MMS port = 8070 Dec 12 02:11:50 that's all I can find for MMS on that network Dec 12 02:12:06 yeah.. i put those settings in.. epic fail :P Dec 12 02:12:22 You have WiFi on? Dec 12 02:12:36 no.. just 3g access at the moment Dec 12 02:12:40 hmm Dec 12 02:12:42 internet works fine, thank god ;) Dec 12 02:13:06 should i be able to ping the mms proxy, or even connect to mmsc.optus.com.au port 8002? because i cant.. Dec 12 02:13:20 maybe optus have just switched it off ;) Dec 12 02:14:54 do you have the MCC and MCN specified? Dec 12 02:15:08 they're auto detected.. i looked them up on the net Dec 12 02:15:23 505 02 for optus australia, which is what its set to Dec 12 02:15:26 MNC and MCC are nothing to do with MMS, AFAIK Dec 12 02:15:55 i have my internet and mms apns as seperate definitions.. it looks as though you can combine them into one APN, although im not sure if this is recommended/supported Dec 12 02:16:03 aren't they the GSM network identifiers - one giving country, one giving network? Dec 12 02:16:18 i deleted all the other t-mobile ones Dec 12 02:17:36 good idea Dec 12 02:18:53 is there a way to make the phone auto-roam on voice (but not on data)? Dec 12 02:19:24 when I visit the girlfriend's family I have to keep manually switching to AT&T because they're far out in the boonies Dec 12 02:19:27 and it's really annoying Dec 12 02:21:06 i just wish there was more enthusiasm for the g1.. it seems to be limited to hacker linux nerd types Dec 12 02:21:27 i havent found that at all Dec 12 02:21:42 yeah, what rock do you live under, snadge? Dec 12 02:21:44 i know quite a few surprising people who eneded up buying them Dec 12 02:21:56 i saw a kid with a g1 at disneyworld.. i nearly fell over.. hes like, yeah, i got the g1 Dec 12 02:22:02 internally im thinking.. why Dec 12 02:22:08 I don't know anyone that's actually bought one because I don't know anyone on t-mobile, but people are psyched on mine Dec 12 02:22:30 apparently this kid just buys a new phone whenever one is available Dec 12 02:22:31 Same here... I know quite a few people who you could go as far as saying they shouldn't be trusted with a computer who bought the G1 Dec 12 02:23:20 KNY I was talking to the chick who runs the local corp tmo store, she said outside of initial sales, their biggest seller of higher end phones are blackberry and the new behold. Dec 12 02:23:23 i went to great lengths and sacrifice to get mine.. because im a huge linux fan, im a linux sysadmin for a living.. and it excited me that this is the first real consumer oriented phone that runs linuxxx Dec 12 02:23:44 the behold is nice for a semi-smartphone. Dec 12 02:23:45 snadge, should have gotten the ADP1 Dec 12 02:24:00 I don't know how the behold did so well... from what I've heard its actually a really horrible phone Dec 12 02:24:20 if i knew about the ADP1 at the time i bought my unlocked g1 .. i would have waited for sure Dec 12 02:24:40 as it is, im having to use dodgey recovery image and flash the UK rom.. just so i dont get violated by international sms charges Dec 12 02:24:50 could be just her store too. Dec 12 02:25:17 Acidulous, since when has that stopped a phone from being popular? Dec 12 02:25:20 look at the Razr Dec 12 02:25:23 for which im told.. "thats what you get for using the wrong phone in the wrong country on the wrong provider" .. im sorry, i didnt know that phones were vendor and country locked Dec 12 02:25:33 very good point Dec 12 02:25:38 I don't think the behold is bad. Dec 12 02:25:52 its aimed at a different user, thats all. Dec 12 02:26:10 I can't say myself how the behold is, i've never touched it myself, that's just what I've heard about it Dec 12 02:26:22 i have a siemens SK65, which i used all around the world.. australia, UK, and USA.. absolutely no problems Dec 12 02:44:12 btw hackbod gets all the win points for the week for "I want a pony." Dec 12 02:45:55 man I hate when people call when I'm in the middle of stepping through something in the debugger Dec 12 02:45:59 can't they see I'm busy? Dec 12 02:46:03 lol Dec 12 02:46:15 * Disconnect read "sleeping through something in the debugger" even better that way Dec 12 02:46:33 we need a toggle for "send all calls to voicemail" Dec 12 02:53:45 o/ Dec 12 02:53:58 Was just watching iliyan malchev on a live webcast discussing android Dec 12 02:54:16 Any of the google devs know if he ever makes his way in here Dec 12 02:54:17 ? Dec 12 02:56:41 who is that Dec 12 02:57:08 hmm.. a bit of digging on the mms issue might interest a few people.. apparently theres a new mms protocol, v5 Dec 12 02:58:35 and newer phones are potentially confusing networks with older mms servers.. and basically, theres some kind of issue, that doesnt look easily solvable.. my provider, Optus.. are apparently aware of the issue and this is umm.. 3 months ago Dec 12 02:58:46 there's no way to save your contacts onto your SIM, is there? Dec 12 02:58:59 gambler__, he's a dev at google that's part of the android team Dec 12 02:59:16 link? Dec 12 02:59:24 though I really don't know what his role is Dec 12 02:59:30 I missed most of the webcast **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 12 02:59:57 2008