**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 14 02:59:57 2008
Dec 14 02:59:59 <infernix> unix_infidel: you can, there's a 3 way plug
Dec 14 03:00:09 <infernix> extusb, usb, jack
Dec 14 03:00:13 <infernix> but
Dec 14 03:00:20 <unix_infidel> infernix: something that isnt obtrusive....
Dec 14 03:00:36 <infernix> when you plug in the headphones in the extusb input, you get worse voice quality
Dec 14 03:00:52 <infernix> compared to when its plugged straight into the phone
Dec 14 03:01:33 <infernix> ok
Dec 14 03:01:48 <infernix> between misc partition for a fresh device and one thats been used for 4 weeks, no differene
Dec 14 03:02:03 <infernix> so its not there
Dec 14 03:03:03 <d0netsFN> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001LIMGAC?tag=scubanetwo-20&camp=213381&creative=390973&linkCode=as4&creativeASIN=B001LIMGAC&adid=1T1DAJRG0FZZ6FC0RSZR&
Dec 14 03:06:05 <infernix> no difference in system
Dec 14 03:08:28 <infernix> xsdg: i'll try your suggestion tomorrow. a diff between a fresh data and a used data doesn't yield much useful info and quite a few binary differences in sqlite dbs
Dec 14 03:09:00 <infernix> but it seems that from/to the same device, backup works fine. ill put that to the test tomorrow, too
Dec 14 03:11:15 <tmzt_> nvm?
Dec 14 03:13:19 <JesusFreke> SanMehat, got another Q for you :)
Dec 14 03:15:28 <tmzt_> infernix: nvm? can you cat /proc/atags and fin it there?
Dec 14 03:27:02 <jham> d0netsFN: I want one of those, but with a button on it. Haven't found one yet
Dec 14 03:27:38 <d0netsFN> i want to super glue one to the back of a card cradle
Dec 14 03:33:18 <d0netsFN> http://www.digitlook.com/Arkon-Universal-Cell-Phone-Smart-Phone-Mount-Bundle-SKU-SM-210_p_5020-5126.html
Dec 14 03:33:21 <d0netsFN> that one specifically
Dec 14 03:34:52 <snadge> im not sure to go with leather pouch or plastic case.. i've tried one of the plastic cases, the one with the 8 position plastic clip on the back
Dec 14 03:40:08 <Ramblurr> hm, are there any SMS apps out there besides the default one?
Dec 14 03:40:26 <d0netsFN> search fo sms in the market
Dec 14 03:41:15 <Ramblurr> bah too much work
Dec 14 03:43:31 <snadge> interesting to note that the IM app only works with a t-mobile sim
Dec 14 03:43:40 <spikebike> only?
Dec 14 03:43:42 <snadge> mine comes up with an error "unable to read phone number from sim card" .. wtf? :p
Dec 14 03:43:50 <spikebike> hmm, gtalk does't work?
Dec 14 03:43:58 <snadge> i only tried msn
Dec 14 03:43:59 <spikebike> or just aol/yahoo/msn?
Dec 14 03:44:10 <spikebike> ah, yeah, it uses a SMS transport that's tied to tmo
Dec 14 03:44:13 <zinx> snadge: a lot of G1s are coming with SIMs that don't know their own phone number
Dec 14 03:44:15 <spikebike> thus it charges
Dec 14 03:44:39 <d0netsFN> wait wtf
Dec 14 03:44:39 <d0netsFN> aim uses texts?
Dec 14 03:44:46 <snadge> ok so are there actual msn clients that use data instead? :P
Dec 14 03:44:51 <zinx> snadge: you can call 611 or whatever and have them push the number to your SIM card, i forget what the magic words are though
Dec 14 03:44:51 <jham> spikebike: It doesn't actually use SMS for the transport
Dec 14 03:45:12 <spikebike> it does't?
Dec 14 03:45:24 <spikebike> they just charge anyways?
Dec 14 03:45:39 <snadge> im on optus prepaid in australia.. whilst they have been quite friendly with regards to using an unlocked g1, they are generally clueless
Dec 14 03:46:05 <unix_infidel> snadge: you getting an agora?
Dec 14 03:46:09 <snadge> i had to flash the UK rom on my US based phone, to avoid the 35c per minute or so, international sms charges
Dec 14 03:47:18 <snadge> agora?
Dec 14 03:48:08 <snadge> no i dont think so.. god forbid, i actually prefer the t-mobile g1, and all its stupid little flaws
Dec 14 03:48:20 <d0netsFN> http://www.unityelectronics.com/product-product_id/5039
Dec 14 03:48:23 <d0netsFN> to get it or not to get it
Dec 14 03:48:41 <snadge> dont like the keyboard being permanently exposed, and even smaller
Dec 14 03:49:07 <snadge> i hate the small size of the g1's keyboard as it is.. especially challenging when drunk at a christmas party ;)
Dec 14 03:54:12 <snadge> a bit more durable though, and cheaper.. i think i'll keep waiting for the g2 or whatever.. maybe bluetooth and tethering etc will be standard.. we can only hope :P and a flash plugin for the browser.. perhaps merge chrome and the android browser? :P
Dec 14 03:54:46 <ivantis2> can there be multiple users on one phone
Dec 14 03:54:50 <ivantis2> ?
Dec 14 03:55:01 <Leeds> ivantis: nope
Dec 14 03:55:45 <snadge> you can add more email addresses with the email app
Dec 14 03:55:59 <snadge> but there has to be one primary user, and afaik, its only changeable with a factory reset
Dec 14 03:56:36 <Leeds> or, allegedly, by re-running the setup wizard using something like anycuts
Dec 14 03:56:45 <snadge> that doesnt appear to work
Dec 14 03:56:54 <unix_infidel> you can of course use email forwarding.
Dec 14 04:00:03 <snadge> http://www.mysciphone.com/G2Specia.asp
Dec 14 04:00:11 <snadge> hmm? is that phone for real?
Dec 14 04:00:42 <jham> Interesting, "Android ? Home Edition V1.0 OS support"
Dec 14 04:00:51 <brocktice> yeah i was just going to say that :)
Dec 14 04:00:53 <jham> Also, no 3G...
Dec 14 04:01:50 <ivantis2> i have a G4
Dec 14 04:01:58 <Damm> I have a G666
Dec 14 04:02:18 <ivantis2> i have a GG
Dec 14 04:04:19 <brocktice> So I'm wondering what "adb bl" does
Dec 14 04:04:33 <snadge> yeah thats a piece of crap.. are there any far more interesting android phones in the works? :P
Dec 14 04:04:41 <brocktice> It pretends it doesn't know what it is, but if you specify a filename afterwards then it looks for a device
Dec 14 04:04:52 <brocktice> like "adb bl foo.img"
Dec 14 04:05:17 <brocktice> = way to upload bootloader onto G1?
Dec 14 04:06:01 <Leeds> isn't the source for adb in the repo?
Dec 14 04:06:10 <brocktice> Yeah I'm actually on my way now
Dec 14 04:06:12 <brocktice> to find the source
Dec 14 04:06:35 <snadge> the bluetooth on this g2 seems more functional, its a pity its otherwise a pile of junk
Dec 14 04:07:07 <snadge> well, its a brick with no keyboard
Dec 14 04:08:43 <snadge> it has 2 sim slots and comes unlocked, and is cheap.. its not all bad, video recording
Dec 14 04:09:45 <zinx> brocktice: adbd only has 'shell' permissions in T-Mobile's firmware
Dec 14 04:10:16 <Damm> zinx, ro.secure is what dictates permissions
Dec 14 04:10:30 <languish> random Q  items from japan around $100 for a gift, what would you want?
Dec 14 04:10:39 <zinx> Damm: you won't be changing that on t-mobile's firmware...
Dec 14 04:10:42 <brocktice> There's got to be some way to flash the bootloader on an empty device.
Dec 14 04:10:45 <Damm> zinx, not without root
Dec 14 04:10:47 <brocktice> Unless they're using the JTAGs or something?
Dec 14 04:10:57 <zinx> Damm: which you don't have with RC30 :P
Dec 14 04:11:05 <Damm> zinx, i wish
Dec 14 04:11:08 <brocktice> where *is* the adb source?
Dec 14 04:11:29 <JesusFreke> system/core/adb for the client side
Dec 14 04:11:29 <zinx> brocktice: system/core/adb
Dec 14 04:11:34 <snadge> JF's UK RC8 rocks :P
Dec 14 04:11:35 <Damm> brocktice, well JF's roms allow you to connect in recovery mode (adb shell)
Dec 14 04:11:46 <jham> brocktice: http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/system/core.git;a=tree;f=adb;h=dc18f2554fb32398e5ce007d38baa4046b43809b;hb=HEAD
Dec 14 04:11:51 <Damm> however recovery of a bricked device... it should load in bootloader
Dec 14 04:11:56 <brocktice> I thought system/core would be for the device but okay
Dec 14 04:11:57 <Damm> if you can get it in boot loader, flash a nbh
Dec 14 04:11:59 <Damm> and your done
Dec 14 04:12:04 <brocktice> nbh?
Dec 14 04:12:14 <Damm> such as DREAIMG.NBH
Dec 14 04:12:27 <Damm> don't know what the extension stands for... don't care
Dec 14 04:12:50 <brocktice> ah, HTC has it locked up
Dec 14 04:13:08 <Damm> basically a signed RUU like thing
Dec 14 04:13:22 <Damm> as i understand the password is easy to guess on the bootloader, as typical for htc
Dec 14 04:13:55 <brocktice> bwahaha
Dec 14 04:13:57 <brocktice> if(!strcmp(argv[0],"logcat") || !strcmp(argv[0],"lolcat")) {
Dec 14 04:14:05 <snadge> so how do i get the IM app to work with msn on a non t-mobile network?
Dec 14 04:14:27 <bparker06> can anyone help me with configuring data for AT&T?
Dec 14 04:14:37 <bparker06> I've tried all the settings I can on the APN
Dec 14 04:14:41 <bparker06> and still nothing
Dec 14 04:15:35 <Damm> snadge, you don't (except via WIFI)
Dec 14 04:15:59 <Damm> the IM Application is setup for Wireless Village (T-Mobile's servers)
Dec 14 04:16:28 <brocktice> it appears that 'bl' dumps the bootloader
Dec 14 04:16:43 <snadge> i've got root.. can i delete the IM app? and install a better one? :P
Dec 14 04:16:48 <d0netsFN> hey isnt there an alarm clock that uses the accelerometer?
Dec 14 04:16:53 <d0netsFN> or the compass or somethin
Dec 14 04:16:54 <Damm> you can delete it...
Dec 14 04:16:58 <brocktice> snadge, yeah I would really like to know that as well
Dec 14 04:16:58 <Damm> better one? don't know if there is one
Dec 14 04:17:15 <Damm> I mean for Google talk i use Maverick
Dec 14 04:17:17 <brocktice> Is there some way to get the G1 providers back on the devphone?
Dec 14 04:17:20 <Damm> there's mebo or something for the rest.
Dec 14 04:20:24 <JesusFreke> brock, just install modified RC30
Dec 14 04:20:49 <JesusFreke> or replace IMProviders.apk
Dec 14 04:20:56 <JesusFreke> (may need to wipe data afterwards)
Dec 14 04:21:17 <brocktice> ah I think the wipe data may have been my problem
Dec 14 04:21:20 <brocktice> thanks
Dec 14 04:22:48 <snadge> how do i fix the "cant read phone number from sim" problem?
Dec 14 04:23:30 <JesusFreke> snadge: take a hammer to the phone. If you hit it just right, it will never display that error again :D
Dec 14 04:24:15 <Damm> someone set that as the topic now
Dec 14 04:24:17 <JesusFreke> other than that.. I have no clue. sorry. lol
Dec 14 04:24:54 <Damm> JesusFreke, typically you would then on the phone go in and set the number and name... G1 doesn't have that ability
Dec 14 04:25:15 <Damm> perhaps if he shoved the sim in another phone (nokia or motorola (my old moto v551 can edit those things))... it'd fix it
Dec 14 04:25:50 <JesusFreke> I may need to try that on mine. I think my number is actually wrong on my sim. lol
Dec 14 04:26:00 <JesusFreke> it was the sim I used with my motorola
Dec 14 04:26:47 <JesusFreke> but I think I had set the phone number to something different (and now it still has that same phone number in the phone settings, which doesn't match the actual phone number of the phone)
Dec 14 04:26:52 <Damm> I do kinda miss modding my motorola
Dec 14 04:26:58 <Damm> it was so much more unique to mod
Dec 14 04:27:12 <brocktice> flashes
Dec 14 04:27:14 <brocktice> language packs
Dec 14 04:27:22 <brocktice> monsterpacks
Dec 14 04:27:27 <Damm> and hex editing seems
Dec 14 04:27:34 <Damm> don't forget the seem 032_001A
Dec 14 04:27:47 <brocktice> oh I had a motomagix device
Dec 14 04:27:51 <brocktice> I don't think they had seems
Dec 14 04:28:06 <brocktice> While I was involved I don't think anyone had gotten that far at least
Dec 14 04:28:54 <tmzt_> Damm: do you know how to make a shx from imgfs and xip?
Dec 14 04:29:05 <Damm> tmzt_, once upon a time I did.
Dec 14 04:29:06 <JesusFreke> know offhand how to change the number, on a razr v2?
Dec 14 04:29:18 <Damm> JesusFreke, my numbers
Dec 14 04:29:40 <Damm> should be under settings, and somewhere under one of those menu's for "My Numbers" then View, then edit.
Dec 14 04:29:51 <JesusFreke> got it. looking
Dec 14 04:29:53 <ivantis2> no root for rc30s yet?
Dec 14 04:30:05 <brocktice> ivantis2, check back in about 10 minutes.
Dec 14 04:30:16 <zinx> more like 10 years
Dec 14 04:30:20 <ivantis2> is there a way to downgrade?
Dec 14 04:30:22 <brocktice> ssh
Dec 14 04:30:27 <Damm> zinx, nah not that long
Dec 14 04:30:34 <Damm> it'll just take 10 years for ivantis2 to get it.
Dec 14 04:30:46 <JesusFreke> there it is
Dec 14 04:31:10 <ivantis2> brocktice, rly? through ssh?
Dec 14 04:31:22 <brocktice> no, I was telling zinx to shush
Dec 14 04:31:26 <brocktice> sorry for the confusion
Dec 14 04:31:29 <JesusFreke> rofl
Dec 14 04:31:51 <brocktice> guess that's "shh"
Dec 14 04:32:16 <brocktice> onomatopoeia can be so tricky
Dec 14 04:32:47 <brocktice> so, "send" and "bl" are undocumented commands related to the bootloader.
Dec 14 04:32:51 <ivantis2> man, the charge on G1 lasts way short
Dec 14 04:32:54 <JesusFreke> please tell me you had to look up how to spell that word (or used a spell checker) :p
Dec 14 04:33:05 <brocktice> JesusFreke, yeah I had red dots under it the first time :)
Dec 14 04:33:11 <brocktice> right-click FTW
Dec 14 04:33:15 <ivantis2> and the vibrate is weak
Dec 14 04:33:26 <JesusFreke> *no-one* should be able to spell that one right the first time
Dec 14 04:33:30 <brocktice> ivantis2, it helps if you put it directly in your pants
Dec 14 04:33:52 <ivantis2> ???
Dec 14 04:33:55 <brocktice> lol
Dec 14 04:33:57 <tmzt_> Damm: well, would you know where to start looking?
Dec 14 04:34:18 <ivantis2> apply directly to the pants?
Dec 14 04:35:07 <ivantis2> the charge is like just enough to get through a school day
Dec 14 04:35:23 <zinx> brocktice: those commands don't work unless adbd has root.
Dec 14 04:35:47 <brocktice> damn
Dec 14 04:36:08 <brocktice> dead end eh?
Dec 14 04:36:25 <zinx> yes.  adbd not having root makes it not a useful place to look :/
Dec 14 04:36:37 <brocktice> I'm sifting thorough this trying to figure out what all of these cryptically-named types
Dec 14 04:36:44 <brocktice> and variable names are
Dec 14 04:36:50 <Damm> tmzt_, not in the slightest... it's been 3 years since i've been in that community
Dec 14 04:37:02 <Damm> those sites have shut down, moved on
Dec 14 04:38:16 <ivantis2> anyone else have TxtSpeed?
Dec 14 04:38:26 <ivantis2> my wpm is 17
Dec 14 04:38:45 <ivantis2> 62 on computer
Dec 14 04:38:54 <tmzt_> ivantis2: dd you not see devphone last week?
Dec 14 04:39:07 <ivantis2> ??
Dec 14 04:39:10 <Damm> most people don't have the $$ to spend on a D1
Dec 14 04:39:30 <Damm> I personally do, I just didn't pay for my G1... and I don't like Android enough to buy it
Dec 14 04:39:37 <ivantis2> how much r they¿
Dec 14 04:39:44 <Damm> 400$
Dec 14 04:39:56 <brocktice> ?que?
Dec 14 04:40:04 <ivantis2> güdness!
Dec 14 04:40:21 <ivantis2> ¿que?
Dec 14 04:40:47 <ivantis2> alt+shift+,
Dec 14 04:40:53 <brocktice> what is this "favorite applications dock" in the dream service manual?
Dec 14 04:41:09 <brocktice> older android build?
Dec 14 04:41:10 <RyeBrye> a dream factory service manual?
Dec 14 04:41:17 * RyeBrye wants
Dec 14 04:41:22 <brocktice> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=457133
Dec 14 04:41:25 <Damm> RyeBrye, it's posted on XDA
Dec 14 04:41:29 <brocktice> I know JF knows about it he's got the second comment :)
Dec 14 04:41:32 <RyeBrye> Cool. take apart guide?
Dec 14 04:41:39 <brocktice> 113 pages
Dec 14 04:41:40 <Damm> yep
Dec 14 04:41:43 <RyeBrye> Sweet.
Dec 14 04:41:46 * RyeBrye gets out his screwdrivers
Dec 14 04:41:52 * RyeBrye starts to laugh maniacally
Dec 14 04:42:01 <brocktice> My devphone has much worse fit and finish than my G1.
Dec 14 04:42:15 <brocktice> I had to make a cellophane tape shim so that the back cover fits snugly.
Dec 14 04:42:36 <jham> RyeBrye: They're hard to put backtogether when you take them apart...
Dec 14 04:42:38 <brocktice> Heh, Don't forget your ESD bracelet RyeBrye
Dec 14 04:42:43 <brocktice> Item number 7
Dec 14 04:43:05 <brocktice> mmm hardware pr0n
Dec 14 04:43:29 <RyeBrye> That "void" sticker has been what has been troubling me
Dec 14 04:43:35 <RyeBrye> it's like kryptonite!
Dec 14 04:43:40 <RyeBrye> ;)
Dec 14 04:43:51 <brocktice> that's what isopropyl alcohol is for
Dec 14 04:44:08 <RyeBrye> No i mean putting it back in place
Dec 14 04:44:17 <RyeBrye> the little sticker over one of those screws?
Dec 14 04:44:27 <RyeBrye> I imagine you can just carefully lift it off with tweezers
Dec 14 04:44:33 <brocktice> I suppose
Dec 14 04:44:37 <brocktice> have not tried it
Dec 14 04:44:39 <ivantis2> nice. on one of the forms that came with my phone, a corner was folded while printing, so some of the print is on the other side
Dec 14 04:44:49 <brocktice> I don't suspect they go as far as to forensically analyze the glue
Dec 14 04:45:36 <ivantis2> warranty? what jerks
Dec 14 04:45:49 <RyeBrye> http://htcscm10.htc.com.tw/SDO/ Anyone got a login? ;)
Dec 14 04:46:34 <bparker06> RyeBrye: you need the manual?
Dec 14 04:46:39 <Damm> RyeBrye, I doubt it.
Dec 14 04:46:41 <RyeBrye> I have it now
Dec 14 04:46:41 <brocktice> I think he wants the rom image
Dec 14 04:46:44 <bparker06> lol
Dec 14 04:46:50 <RyeBrye> well... lets think
Dec 14 04:46:58 <RyeBrye> brute forcing a login to a web page....
Dec 14 04:46:59 <Damm> googlers wouldn't have a login more then likely
Dec 14 04:47:02 <RyeBrye> or breaking a 2048 bit key
Dec 14 04:47:05 <Damm> only htc employees
Dec 14 04:47:17 <Damm> so your going to have to kidnap a htc employee
Dec 14 04:47:22 <Damm> they have an office in bellevue
Dec 14 04:47:24 <brocktice> I wonder if their password reset is as good as yahoo mail's?
Dec 14 04:47:26 <Damm> (washington)
Dec 14 04:47:34 <brocktice> Oh great, I'll be there in less than two week.s
Dec 14 04:47:36 <brocktice> weeks even.
Dec 14 04:47:43 <brocktice> I'll start brushing up on my ninja skills.
Dec 14 04:47:57 <zinx> http://www.bugmenot.com/view/rma.htc.com.tw <- but none work
Dec 14 04:47:58 <RyeBrye> The layout of that manual is awful. IT's like they use MS Word
Dec 14 04:48:42 <brocktice> the photography is brilliant
Dec 14 04:49:05 <RyeBrye> I guess for an internal-only document I can understand and let it slide
Dec 14 04:49:25 <wastrel> documents
Dec 14 04:49:29 <Damm> it's standard for HTC
Dec 14 04:49:37 <brocktice> Now this part of the manual has the modern Android UI
Dec 14 04:49:37 <Damm> their service manuals are always this crappy
Dec 14 04:49:49 <brocktice> So I wonder what that other stuff was.
Dec 14 04:50:05 <brocktice> OH man, they have a camera test.
Dec 14 04:50:11 <brocktice> How did any of them get out of the factory?
Dec 14 04:50:15 <RyeBrye> LOL :)
Dec 14 04:50:26 <RyeBrye> "If camera takes picture in less tahn 5 hours after pressing button - camrea passes"
Dec 14 04:50:27 <brocktice> "III. Check camera pre-view and image quality"
Dec 14 04:50:30 <brocktice> hah
Dec 14 04:52:28 <brocktice> Here we go, battery criteria. [do test] After one hour, if the capacity is under 70%, replace the battery
Dec 14 04:52:31 <Damm> i think it's been over discussed in here about the camera.
Dec 14 04:52:38 <brocktice> sorry :(
Dec 14 05:00:50 <d0netsFN> hey we need a myth client i think
Dec 14 05:00:54 <d0netsFN> im total media pc newb
Dec 14 05:00:58 <d0netsFN> but i wanna watch my live tv on my g1
Dec 14 05:01:16 <d0netsFN> and view my guide, etc...
Dec 14 05:01:39 <bparker06> can anyone help with getting data connection working on AT&T?
Dec 14 05:01:48 <bparker06> I've tried lots of different combinations of APN settings
Dec 14 05:01:51 <bparker06> nothing seems to work
Dec 14 05:02:47 <RyeBrye> The fsm refers to it at MSM 7201A 528 Mhz on page 5 (there has been some discussion on if it should be running at 528 Mhz or not - currently it's set to run at 384 Mhz)
Dec 14 05:03:12 <brocktice> RyeBrye, the bees are on the what now?
Dec 14 05:06:59 <unix_infidel> RyeBrye: do you get creakyness when pressing down on the side of the screen?
Dec 14 05:07:16 <ivantis> sooo
Dec 14 05:07:27 <ivantis> what can i do once i hook up my G1 through USB?
Dec 14 05:07:31 <ivantis> to my computer
Dec 14 05:08:14 <SystemWizard> look at it
Dec 14 05:08:23 <SystemWizard> gaze at it's USB-ified glory
Dec 14 05:10:47 <SystemWizard> OH you can also open the status notification, tap on the message that says "USB Connected" and mount the storage card
Dec 14 05:13:58 <RyeBrye> unix_infidel: yes, creaky creaky
Dec 14 05:14:28 <RyeBrye> the USB connected stuff is only in Rc29 or higher I think
Dec 14 05:14:37 <Damm> RC28
Dec 14 05:15:33 <SystemWizard> oh
Dec 14 05:15:36 <SystemWizard> right..
Dec 14 05:15:40 <SystemWizard> sorry forgot about that.
Dec 14 05:15:55 <ivantis> should have done an ACTION , RC30 is what I have. "* Damm , RC30 is what I have."
Dec 14 05:16:28 <unix_infidel> RyeBrye: it's small consolatation that the iPhone plastic creaks too.
Dec 14 05:16:55 <unix_infidel> hopefully the testing on the G1 spring mechanism was really good :-(
Dec 14 05:17:04 <ivantis> i dont see my G1 on my computer anywhere
Dec 14 05:17:07 <ivantis> ubuntu
Dec 14 05:20:49 <d0netsFN> invantis what are you trying to do
Dec 14 05:30:30 <b0nn> Im trying to (programatically) get a list of providers on a device
Dec 14 05:30:40 <b0nn> could someone point me in the right direction?
Dec 14 05:34:24 <ivantis> right now im putting all the music on my ipod onto my G1
Dec 14 05:38:23 <zinx> i need a bigger microsd card... and also a software one :P
Dec 14 05:42:32 <d0netsFN> anyone working on a myth client for the g1?
Dec 14 05:44:59 <ivantis> gawd, all my music took more than half of my space on my card
Dec 14 05:46:44 <JesusFreke> that's not bad at all :p
Dec 14 05:47:07 <JesusFreke> I couldn't come close to fitting my music collection on an sdcard.
Dec 14 05:47:34 <Fredbo> mine will fit in 2G
Dec 14 05:48:54 <ivantis> well, it came from a 1GB shuffle
Dec 14 05:49:13 <ivantis> im goin to bed
Dec 14 05:49:19 <ivantis> night all
Dec 14 05:49:29 <snadge> i have a 16gb sandisk on the way
Dec 14 05:51:05 <tmzt_> RyeBrye: don't think cpufreq is enabled
Dec 14 05:52:13 <RyeBrye> tmzt_: it's not in the default builds, but it can be turned on pretty easily. sparkle has done a bunch of tinkering with cpu freqs and has run from between various freqs between 19 Mhz and 528 MHz
Dec 14 05:52:49 <tmzt_> ok, have you/sparkle looked at the 27?
Dec 14 05:54:58 <dts> connanyone knows how 2 connect 2 a different server da command
Dec 14 05:55:31 <tmzt_> sorry?
Dec 14 06:01:09 <Krstnsn> whatd he want?
Dec 14 06:01:26 <Krstnsn> i dont speak whatever language that was
Dec 14 06:10:11 <ivantis2> how does that microphone thing on the earbuds work?
Dec 14 06:10:37 <Krstnsn> ?
Dec 14 06:10:42 <Krstnsn> use it
Dec 14 06:10:53 <ivantis2> just talk into it?
Dec 14 06:11:13 <ivantis2> whats the button for?
Dec 14 06:11:15 <JesusFreke> yes, that's typically how you use a microphone :D
Dec 14 06:11:50 <ivantis2> oh cool, pauses my music
Dec 14 06:12:41 <Krstnsn> haha
Dec 14 06:12:46 <Krstnsn> youre a crazy dude
Dec 14 06:12:54 <Krstnsn> he all asking us about it while hes trying
Dec 14 06:12:55 <Krstnsn> haha
Dec 14 06:14:48 <ionstorm> anyone know if there is going to be a firmware update soon
Dec 14 06:15:38 <Krstnsn> fo sho
Dec 14 06:22:10 <Bossmanbeta> Anyone know how to create macros on a G1? (like blackberry quicktext, a few unique characters bring up a longer sentence)
Dec 14 06:22:20 <SanMehat> Bossmanbeta: i dont think you can
Dec 14 06:22:23 <SanMehat> at least not yet
Dec 14 06:22:29 <Bossmanbeta> well thanks
Dec 14 06:22:41 <Bossmanbeta> shows great promise though, I'm really impressed w/the G1 overall
Dec 14 06:22:57 <SanMehat> great :)
Dec 14 06:23:07 <Bossmanbeta> I'll have to add this channel as an idling/sitting channel... any policy against that?
Dec 14 06:23:11 <SanMehat> nope
Dec 14 06:23:13 <Bossmanbeta> ok
Dec 14 06:23:50 <Bossmanbeta> would this the main channel for support/misc questions on the G1?
Dec 14 06:25:21 <Bossmanbeta> I was also looking into creating speed-dials (the G1 already has the dialing-1- key as voicemail) ... can't seem to find a way to do that, had to use AnyCut to populate the left-screen full of often-dialed shortcuts :(
Dec 14 06:30:21 <SanMehat> hmm.
Dec 14 06:30:26 <SanMehat> i think there is a way to do that
Dec 14 06:30:31 <SanMehat> i'm not sure off the top of my head though
Dec 14 06:30:32 <SanMehat> bbl
Dec 14 06:33:49 <anno^da_> Is  there anything I can do to inform my users in the user interface about the fact that my service got killed ? It is so annoying not to be able to do sth in the ondestroy method...
Dec 14 06:34:34 <Bossmanbeta> i think the room is asleep anno^da_
Dec 14 06:35:43 <anno^da_> :)
Dec 14 06:35:46 <anno^da_> seems so :D
Dec 14 06:35:59 <Bossmanbeta> ya
Dec 14 06:36:15 <Bossmanbeta> would you know how to add speed dial to the dial keys 2-9 & 0?
Dec 14 06:36:18 <unix_infidel> anno^da_: i think you can arbitrarily put stuff in notification.
Dec 14 06:36:48 <Bossmanbeta> hi unix_infidel
Dec 14 06:37:11 <anno^da_> unix_infidel: what does arbitrary mean? (forgot the word :) )
Dec 14 06:39:47 <SystemWizard> has anyone looked at how feasable it would be to write a launcher that launches programs from the SD card?
Dec 14 06:44:24 <anno^da_> unix_infidel: but well I have tried to stop my status icon in the notification bar in onDestroy and it always stays there although the service got killed. So this is a really downside of the service killing in Android 1.0. I'm not able to check if the service got killed. No broadcast gets sent nothing at all. :(
Dec 14 06:46:50 <bparker06> how do you make a user-defined duration for a Toast ?
Dec 14 06:47:45 <kcoury> bparker06: I don't think it's possible iirc
Dec 14 06:48:02 <kcoury> you can only pass short and long parameters
Dec 14 06:48:15 <bparker06> setDuration(int)  Show the view or text notification for a long period of time. This time could be user-definable.
Dec 14 06:48:32 <bparker06> err that text was under LENGTH_LONG
Dec 14 06:48:35 <bparker06> but you get it
Dec 14 06:49:20 <bparker06> I have a toast that shows up when an incoming call comes in... but I want it to stay there until you answer the call
Dec 14 06:53:09 <anno^da_> bparker06: How do you identify the incoming call. Are you doing it in the background (with a service) or by  some kind of receiver ?
Dec 14 06:53:31 <bparker06> using PhoneStateListtener
Dec 14 06:53:32 <unix_infidel> anno^da_: look at five's ServiceActivity to see how you can use onDestroy to handle your service disconnect.
Dec 14 06:53:40 <bparker06> -t
Dec 14 06:54:02 <anno^da_> unix_infidel: I use that. But when the system kills your service no onDestroy gets called
Dec 14 06:54:35 <anno^da_> bparker06: in a service ? activity?
Dec 14 06:54:58 <bparker06> activity
Dec 14 06:55:19 <anno^da_> hmm damn ok thank you.
Dec 14 06:55:29 <unix_infidel> anno^da_: onDestroy isnt the only way dalvik will kill your service iirc.
Dec 14 06:55:44 <anno^da_> Well thats the problem.
Dec 14 06:56:04 <anno^da_> It gets killed (for example while playing a game) and I can't react on that.
Dec 14 06:56:37 <Bossmanbeta> I'll ask a non-programmer's question: Anyone know how to set up speed dials (2-9 and 0, since 1 is already set to voicemail)? I seem ti have to use AnyCut to speed dial right now. Also, any way to create macros so I can type often-typed msgs quickly? (ala Blackberry's quickkeys)
Dec 14 06:57:00 <anno^da_> Sadly recognizing an incoming call is not possible with the help of a receiver. So I have to use a constantly running service for that. :(
Dec 14 06:58:07 <bparker06> anno^da_: I'm not using a receiver
Dec 14 06:58:20 <bparker06>     	telephony = (TelephonyManager) this.getSystemService(Context.TELEPHONY_SERVICE);
Dec 14 06:58:23 <bparker06>         telephony.listen(phoneListener, PhoneStateListener.LISTEN_CALL_STATE);
Dec 14 06:58:25 <anno^da_> bparker06: well yeah you are using it in the activty
Dec 14 06:58:30 <anno^da_> I know all of that :)
Dec 14 06:58:39 <bparker06> ok
Dec 14 06:58:41 <anno^da_> I just need to detect that in the background
Dec 14 06:58:52 <anno^da_> and not in an active activity
Dec 14 06:58:52 <bparker06> it still works in the background... it keeps your activity running
Dec 14 06:58:57 <bparker06> well
Dec 14 06:58:58 <bparker06> heh
Dec 14 06:59:11 <unix_infidel> anno^da_: just like onDestroy I believe there are ways to trigger.
Dec 14 06:59:14 <bparker06> I guess it's possible with BroadcastReceiver but I couldn't figure it out
Dec 14 06:59:21 <anno^da_> well as long as the activity doesnt get killed :)
Dec 14 06:59:48 <unix_infidel> I should probably learn about it to as I need to figure out how to handle a user notification of webservice termination when the application service stops.
Dec 14 06:59:56 <anno^da_> bparker06: Yeah and from my research untill now you are not able to receive a broadcast when the call state changes.
Dec 14 07:00:41 <anno^da_> unix_infidel: well jbq said that onDestroy is not reliable when the system kills the service by its own.
Dec 14 07:01:18 <FlyingKei> when I use relative layout, all of my views are displayed in one line even though I specify layout_below. i've already tried to change id to android:id. how do i fix this problem?
Dec 14 07:01:21 <anno^da_> and that's a pretty annoying behaviour.
Dec 14 07:02:02 <unix_infidel> anno^da_: as i understand it onDestroy() only gets called in certain situations.  you need to account for more graceful handling of your service getting the kick in the bum.
Dec 14 07:02:51 <FlyingKei> does anyone know what i'm talking about?
Dec 14 07:03:03 <unix_infidel> anno^da_: feel free to send me a PM of your trunk changes when you figure it out ;-)
Dec 14 07:04:49 <anno^da_> unix_infidel: well I worked with services for months and it is pretty clear when onDestroy gets called
Dec 14 07:05:59 <anno^da_> The problem is that I can't detect this damn incoming call with a broadcast
Dec 14 07:06:19 <anno^da_> So I have to use the service and get all the problems of a non stop running service. :)
Dec 14 08:17:01 <d0netsFN> hey how do control the mouse in android-vnc-viewer?
Dec 14 08:18:01 <RyeBrye> use cheese
Dec 14 08:18:13 <d0netsFN> oh i got it
Dec 14 08:18:31 <RyeBrye> http://instantrimshot.com/ ;)
Dec 14 08:21:17 <nyt> android vnc viewer doesnt evenw ork for me
Dec 14 08:21:18 <nyt> weaksauce
Dec 14 08:21:26 <d0netsFN> really?
Dec 14 08:21:44 <nyt> i tried on a friends g1 to connect to my vnc and failed
Dec 14 08:21:45 <d0netsFN> you tried the latest one right?
Dec 14 08:21:47 <nyt> whats the address for it?
Dec 14 08:21:53 <d0netsFN> no its almost brand new
Dec 14 08:21:58 <d0netsFN> before you couldnt even use password
Dec 14 08:22:03 * offby1 slaps RyeBrye upside the haid
Dec 14 08:22:06 <d0netsFN> now its functioning nice it seems
Dec 14 08:22:14 <nyt> is it the one on google code?
Dec 14 08:22:16 <d0netsFN> http://code.google.com/p/android-vnc-viewer
Dec 14 08:22:17 <nyt> or a new one?
Dec 14 08:22:21 <nyt> thats old dude
Dec 14 08:22:23 <d0netsFN> no
Dec 14 08:22:24 <d0netsFN> look at it
Dec 14 08:22:27 <d0netsFN> its updated
Dec 14 08:22:29 <nyt> 081205
Dec 14 08:22:32 <nyt> oh
Dec 14 08:22:39 <nyt> thats still a week old
Dec 14 08:22:41 <d0netsFN> before they didnt even have password support
Dec 14 08:22:49 <d0netsFN> and it only worked if you build it from source
Dec 14 08:22:50 <nyt> it still crashes when trying to connect
Dec 14 08:22:52 <d0netsFN> now the apk works on the g1
Dec 14 08:23:01 <d0netsFN> not if it has a solid connection
Dec 14 08:23:09 <d0netsFN> and solid as in the connect works
Dec 14 08:23:14 <nyt> yeah 3g 4 bars
Dec 14 08:23:16 <nyt> it crashes on connect
Dec 14 08:23:17 <nyt> g
Dec 14 08:23:17 <nyt> g
Dec 14 08:23:20 <d0netsFN> it crashed until i remember i changed my port
Dec 14 08:23:23 <d0netsFN> lemme try from 3g
Dec 14 08:23:25 <nyt> ill try it again
Dec 14 08:23:26 <d0netsFN> im doing wifi
Dec 14 08:23:58 <d0netsFN> im typing from my g1 lulz
Dec 14 08:25:26 <bparker06> can anyone help with getting data to work on AT&T?
Dec 14 08:25:34 * offby1 watches the tumbleweeds skitter down Main St
Dec 14 08:25:36 <nyt> lol
Dec 14 08:25:37 <bparker06> I tried so many APN settings it's not even funny
Dec 14 08:26:11 <d0netsFN> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=g1+At%26t+apn&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
Dec 14 08:28:53 <d0netsFN> nyt try it out on your g1
Dec 14 08:29:59 <nyt> in a min
Dec 14 08:30:01 <nyt> testing some shit out
Dec 14 08:30:02 <d0netsFN> my 3g is spotty here
Dec 14 08:30:55 <bparker06> d0netsFN: tried those already, believe me
Dec 14 08:30:58 <bparker06> like 20 times
Dec 14 08:31:31 <d0netsFN> is it a dev?
Dec 14 08:31:58 <bparker06> yes
Dec 14 08:34:50 * offby1 <3 nyt's IRC app
Dec 14 08:35:04 <nyt> im about to post a new one
Dec 14 08:35:12 <nyt> just tweaking some performance stuffs
Dec 14 08:35:24 <nyt> since the emu performance is way off the g1's
Dec 14 08:35:31 <nyt> i have to test on my phone which is a pain
Dec 14 08:36:30 <kcoury> yeah, nice job on the client man. really enjoying it
Dec 14 08:36:48 <nyt> itll be a lot nicer by the time it hits market
Dec 14 08:36:54 <d0netsFN> nyt how much are you planning on charging again?
Dec 14 08:36:58 <nyt> dunno!
Dec 14 08:37:01 <nyt> prolly 4.99
Dec 14 08:37:31 <offby1> how on Earth do you pick a price, anyway?
Dec 14 08:37:33 <offby1> just guess?
Dec 14 08:38:15 <nyt> yeah basically
Dec 14 08:38:28 <d0netsFN> i guess you weight how much you think people will pay for it, and what you want to make
Dec 14 08:39:05 <nyt> well im poor haha
Dec 14 08:39:05 <nyt> so
Dec 14 08:39:08 <nyt> i cant go too cheap
Dec 14 08:39:11 <nyt> and its taking a lot of time to dev
Dec 14 08:39:52 <kcoury> I think $4.99 is a good price for an IRC client
Dec 14 08:39:55 <d0netsFN> so in other words you have the "what you want to make" part down
Dec 14 08:40:30 <nyt> if people want to pay it they can pay it *shrug* otherwise they can connectbot to a shell, or use a free client
Dec 14 08:40:38 <nyt> but my client is going to be ridiculous when im done
Dec 14 08:40:58 <bparker06> nyt: make sure it supports utf-8 and iso-2022-jp and you have my money :)
Dec 14 08:41:21 <d0netsFN> *if you build it, they will pay*
Dec 14 08:41:29 <xtort-> i'd pay $5 for a decent client
Dec 14 08:41:31 <nyt> bparker06: it uses the built in display stuff
Dec 14 08:41:33 <xtort-> $10 for a full featured one
Dec 14 08:41:40 <nyt> so, shouldn't be too hard
Dec 14 08:41:42 <d0netsFN> but nyt i have already spoken with you on this
Dec 14 08:41:43 <bparker06> and make sure channel names are also in the same encoding
Dec 14 08:41:46 <nyt> this client will definitely be full featured
Dec 14 08:41:47 * d0netsFN is St0ned from efnet
Dec 14 08:41:50 <bparker06> *cough*irssi*cough*
Dec 14 08:41:51 <offby1> xtort-: hey!  don't encourage him to raise the price!
Dec 14 08:41:58 <xtort-> heheh
Dec 14 08:42:02 <nyt> notifications and everything
Dec 14 08:42:10 <nyt> nice spinner menus for channel stuffs
Dec 14 08:42:13 <nyt> output mapping
Dec 14 08:42:22 <nyt> spiffy key remapping stuff
Dec 14 08:42:24 <nyt> tons of commands
Dec 14 08:42:27 <offby1> nyt: is there some kinda IRC client library that you're using, or did you roll everything by hand?
Dec 14 08:42:33 <nyt> offby1: everything by hand
Dec 14 08:42:34 <bparker06> irssi is very nice but their recode system is kinda broken
Dec 14 08:42:36 <offby1> yow
Dec 14 08:42:39 <nyt> i already wrote a client for unix years ago
Dec 14 08:42:41 <nyt> so its nothing new
Dec 14 08:42:42 <bparker06> you can't join channels that are non-english
Dec 14 08:42:42 <nyt> its easy
Dec 14 08:42:46 <nyt> frequency v0.9.12
Dec 14 08:42:47 <bparker06> which is a dealbreaker for me
Dec 14 08:42:54 <offby1> nyt: I did an IRC bot, which works OK, but parsing the input made my head hurt.  The RFC isn't as clear as it might be.
Dec 14 08:42:55 <nyt> full unix console client from scratch
Dec 14 08:42:57 <nyt> even the display library
Dec 14 08:43:03 <offby1> that's for *nix, not Android :)
Dec 14 08:43:10 <nyt> offby1: try writing a client where you need to do that and handle user input =]
Dec 14 08:43:16 <bparker06> awesome
Dec 14 08:43:20 <d0netsFN> wtf
Dec 14 08:43:20 <nyt> freenode ftl lol
Dec 14 08:43:24 <offby1> nyt, er, no; I pay people to do that for me. People like you :)
Dec 14 08:43:51 <bparker06> heh
Dec 14 08:44:16 <bparker06> my girlfriend complains whenever I pay someone to do something... instead of doing it myself
Dec 14 08:44:28 <bparker06> and I'm so against reinventing the wheel
Dec 14 08:44:30 <bparker06> lol
Dec 14 08:44:38 <nyt> well i lik ethings done right so i do them myself =]
Dec 14 08:44:44 <nyt> i'm hoping to make a little money on this
Dec 14 08:44:58 <offby1> bparker06: I have a wife something like that.
Dec 14 08:45:01 <nyt> well there are really easy ways to do irc parsing
Dec 14 08:45:01 <bparker06> and knowing that when done by me it won't be right, it's still wrong either way.
Dec 14 08:45:09 <nyt> especially if you've done it before
Dec 14 08:45:17 <offby1> nyt: easy and correct, or just easy?
Dec 14 08:45:23 <nyt> offby1: both
Dec 14 08:45:31 <nyt> i've been writing irc code for way to many years
Dec 14 08:45:39 <nyt> especially with a lang like java
Dec 14 08:45:42 <nyt> after doing this shit in c
Dec 14 08:45:44 <nyt> omfg its so nice
Dec 14 08:46:05 <nyt> try writing unix display code that can do windowing and shit
Dec 14 08:46:10 <nyt> that doesnt use ncurses ora ny library
Dec 14 08:46:11 <nyt> real fun
Dec 14 08:46:26 <xtort-> heheh
Dec 14 08:46:31 <xtort-> why not just use ncurses?
Dec 14 08:46:41 <nyt> because its a piece of shit
Dec 14 08:46:45 <nyt> to put it bluntly
Dec 14 08:46:50 <xtort-> oh
Dec 14 08:47:57 <xsdg> nyt: but curses is so much fun! ;o)
Dec 14 08:48:32 * JesusFreke curses
Dec 14 08:48:49 <offby1> show-off :)
Dec 14 08:50:17 <d0netsFN> opportunity cost
Dec 14 08:50:20 <offby1> nyt: and you only have to support one terminal, namely whatever android emulates.
Dec 14 08:50:33 <d0netsFN> sorry i was scrolled up
Dec 14 08:51:40 <d0netsFN> but i was referring to "(02:44:38 AM) nyt: well i lik ethings done right so i do them myself =]"
Dec 14 08:52:06 <morrildl> ncurses is pretty cool for what it is
Dec 14 08:52:21 <morrildl> Ultimately the issue is that complex UIs in terminals suck :)
Dec 14 08:52:33 <offby1> nyt: how does your client recognize URLs, in order to highlight them -- big hairy regexp?
Dec 14 08:52:34 <xtort-> yes
Dec 14 08:53:01 <xsdg> offby1: URL recognition is part of Android
Dec 14 08:53:06 <offby1> oho!
Dec 14 08:53:07 <offby1> slick.
Dec 14 09:02:19 <snadge> dodgy
Dec 14 09:11:35 <alexissoft> hi
Dec 14 09:19:36 <kennyyu> hi there, i see that there are quite a few implementations (mac/qt/win/wx/gtk) of the webkit files in $topsrcdir/external/webkit. i don't know which implementation is my emulator really using? i'm in linux ubuntu using the emulater, so is it gtk?
Dec 14 09:24:57 <nyt> <nyt> http://androidirc.googlecode.com/files/irc-beta-2008121400.apk
Dec 14 09:25:16 <nyt> thread safe goodness now
Dec 14 09:25:31 <nyt> latest build
Dec 14 09:25:33 <nyt> im going to bed
Dec 14 09:25:48 <xtort-> nyt, is that yours?
Dec 14 09:25:52 <xtort-> your project?
Dec 14 09:26:13 <nyt> yes
Dec 14 09:26:17 <xtort-> ah, badass
Dec 14 09:26:21 <xtort-> good work on it
Dec 14 09:26:29 <nyt> actually im gonna checkout vnc first
Dec 14 09:37:04 <nyt> so
Dec 14 09:37:06 <nyt> vnc connects
Dec 14 09:37:07 <nyt> but itas a black screen
Dec 14 09:37:09 <nyt> rofl
Dec 14 09:38:22 <nyt> well i can type over it
Dec 14 09:38:25 <nyt> but dont receive antyhing
Dec 14 09:38:38 <nyt> im using realvnc with encryption tho
Dec 14 09:38:40 <nyt> who knows
Dec 14 09:49:21 <Bossmanbeta> anyone able to take some user interface questions (non-programmer)
Dec 14 09:49:35 <Bossmanbeta> I'll ask a non-programmer's question: Anyone know how to set up speed dials (2-9 and 0, since 1 is already set to voicemail)? I seem ti have to use AnyCut to speed dial right now. Also, any way to create macros so I can type often-typed msgs quickly? (ala Blackberry's quickkeys)
Dec 14 09:50:56 <xtort-> i've never messed with that, sorry
Dec 14 09:53:16 <Bossmanbeta> wonder if a VNC application is coming as well. I'd love to be able to ssh and tunnel local ports to a server then run vnc localhost::9999
Dec 14 09:53:27 <Krstnsn> there s a vnc
Dec 14 09:53:31 <Krstnsn> hold up
Dec 14 09:53:42 <Krstnsn> http://code.google.com/p/android-vnc-viewer/
Dec 14 09:54:00 <xtort-> i had vnc on my palm, its kinda a pain
Dec 14 09:54:11 <xtort-> handy for when you really need it though, I guess
Dec 14 09:54:15 <Krstnsn> i havent tried that one cause it doesnt work on EDGE i guess
Dec 14 09:54:28 <Krstnsn> and 3g is spotty as hell at my home
Dec 14 09:54:40 <xtort-> ssh works just fine for me
Dec 14 09:54:41 <Krstnsn> it works on wifi though
Dec 14 09:54:59 <Bossmanbeta> i'll check that... u think I could tunnel local apps with ConnectBot?
Dec 14 09:55:45 <Bossmanbeta> vnc doesn't come up in the app-search on Market... would I have to download that manually via web on the G1?
Dec 14 09:56:12 <xtort-> yes
Dec 14 09:56:28 <Bossmanbeta> any risks in using apps not available on the market?
Dec 14 09:56:36 <Bossmanbeta> <--not a programmer, though a sysadmin
Dec 14 09:56:47 <xtort-> a small amount, i suppose
Dec 14 09:56:59 <Krstnsn> i guess
Dec 14 09:57:02 <xtort-> it still grants only specific permissions to the app
Dec 14 09:57:03 <Krstnsn> but im sure thats fine
Dec 14 09:57:06 <Krstnsn> its on google code
Dec 14 09:57:21 <Krstnsn> dont think someone would put malicious stuff on googcode
Dec 14 09:57:40 <Krstnsn> maybe
Dec 14 09:57:47 <Bossmanbeta> I suppose it goes through some minimal process of stabilization checking before it goes on the market?
Dec 14 09:58:07 <Krstnsn> not sure how that works
Dec 14 09:58:16 <xtort-> not from what I have seen.... there's some really unstable apps on the market
Dec 14 09:58:28 <Krstnsn> i just download apks people send me like that
Dec 14 09:58:53 <Krstnsn> i just really doubt someone is going to pay to put up malicious apps in googcode
Dec 14 09:59:02 <Krstnsn> and put thier names on it
Dec 14 09:59:10 <Krstnsn> but ive been wrong before
Dec 14 09:59:12 <Bossmanbeta> not so much malicious, but just poorly functioning that could flub-up the handheld
Dec 14 09:59:26 <Krstnsn> oh
Dec 14 09:59:32 <Krstnsn> its pretty stable that way
Dec 14 09:59:38 <Krstnsn> theres a bunch of sandboxes persay
Dec 14 09:59:46 <Krstnsn> so it can only do so much
Dec 14 10:00:14 <Krstnsn> more then likely if it fucks up itll force quit
Dec 14 10:00:15 <Bossmanbeta> has anyone tried an ssh -L 1234:ip-address:4567 to route a local app through a local-listening port on the G1 (using connectbot) ?
Dec 14 10:00:17 <Krstnsn> end of story
Dec 14 10:00:24 <Krstnsn> neg
Dec 14 10:01:34 <jsharkey> Bossmanbeta: yep it should work
Dec 14 10:02:05 <jsharkey> but i think the listening 1234 on the g1 will only latch onto the loopback
Dec 14 10:02:18 <jsharkey> not sure
Dec 14 10:02:41 <Bossmanbeta> jsharkey, very cool... I run a video capture card @ home on ubuntu, serving it with VLC... so to watch TV remotely off my home feed, I ssh -L port:ip:port, then run VLC on my client localhost:port ... but of course, I'd need a vlc-like app on the g1 for that :)
Dec 14 10:02:42 <Krstnsn> ok kids im out of this beast
Dec 14 10:02:51 <Bossmanbeta> thanks Krstnsn for the tips
Dec 14 10:03:09 <Krstnsn> just try this btw http://code.google.com/p/android-vnc-viewer/
Dec 14 10:03:15 <Bossmanbeta> but I do VNC the same way over ssh
Dec 14 10:03:15 <Krstnsn> i heard good things
Dec 14 10:03:17 <jsharkey> Bossmanbeta: oh cool  :)
Dec 14 10:03:27 <Bossmanbeta> thanks Krstnsn
Dec 14 10:03:42 <jsharkey> tunnels like that should work no problem though  :)
Dec 14 10:03:58 <Bossmanbeta> if I can get vnc to work over an ssh session, I'm in ... becuase I admin some Winblows boxes, and ssh won't cut it for those... and the boxes are behind firewalls
Dec 14 10:07:34 <Bossmanbeta> I guess i have to do something to install an APK file?
Dec 14 10:07:44 <Bossmanbeta> enable non-market apps, I think..... somewhere..
Dec 14 10:08:19 <Krstnsn`> ya its in the options
Dec 14 10:08:26 <Bossmanbeta> ya just found it
Dec 14 10:08:33 <Bossmanbeta> nice AT YOUR OWN RISK warning there :)
Dec 14 10:08:54 <Krstnsn`> there is also an irc app too
Dec 14 10:09:01 <Krstnsn`> its stable as shit
Dec 14 10:09:35 <Bossmanbeta> oh?
Dec 14 10:09:41 <Krstnsn`> sec
Dec 14 10:09:42 <Bossmanbeta> I was using mibbit
Dec 14 10:09:52 <Bossmanbeta> (which stinks on the web being as small as it is)
Dec 14 10:10:22 <Krstnsn`> http://code.google.com/p/androidirc/
Dec 14 10:10:46 <Krstnsn`> ive been using it for 3 days 24/7
Dec 14 10:11:01 <kirberich> is there some comprehensive way to find non-market apps?
Dec 14 10:11:03 <Bossmanbeta> would u know in connectbot, which field I would use to add the -L switch?
Dec 14 10:11:08 <Bossmanbeta> host?
Dec 14 10:11:15 <jsharkey> Bossmanbeta: its after you connect
Dec 14 10:11:21 <jsharkey> menu -> tunnels
Dec 14 10:11:33 <jsharkey> there isnt a good option for storing tunnels yet i think
Dec 14 10:12:02 <Bossmanbeta> wow
Dec 14 10:12:07 <Bossmanbeta> there it is
Dec 14 10:12:09 <Bossmanbeta> ...tunnels
Dec 14 10:12:18 <Bossmanbeta> :)
Dec 14 10:13:11 <Krstnsn`> kirberich i dont know
Dec 14 10:13:18 <Krstnsn`> if there is id like to know
Dec 14 10:14:00 <Krstnsn`> i just see apks and try em
Dec 14 10:16:59 <Bossmanbeta> well
Dec 14 10:17:01 <Bossmanbeta> it works
Dec 14 10:17:02 <Bossmanbeta> :)
Dec 14 10:17:11 <Bossmanbeta> but I can't seem to move the mouse.... just pan the desktop
Dec 14 10:19:23 <Krstnsn`> the app i posted? or connectbot
Dec 14 10:19:39 <Bossmanbeta> vnc
Dec 14 10:19:50 <Krstnsn`> oh nice
Dec 14 10:20:03 <Bossmanbeta> i see the desktop
Dec 14 10:20:10 <Bossmanbeta> (which is great in and of itself)
Dec 14 10:20:24 <Bossmanbeta> I see the mouse too, but can't interact with the desktop... odd
Dec 14 10:22:08 <Bossmanbeta> is there a way to end an application, instead of just going home or switching to another app?
Dec 14 10:23:58 <Krstnsn`> if the app has a quit option yes
Dec 14 10:24:03 <Krstnsn`> otherwise no.
Dec 14 10:24:32 <Krstnsn`> they guy i got that vnc from was talking to my via his phone through the vnc on his client
Dec 14 10:24:43 <Krstnsn`> so there is a way to interact
Dec 14 10:25:00 <Krstnsn`> my=me
Dec 14 10:26:10 <Bossmanbeta> Krstnsn, these apk files dont check for updates right? so I have to check in on occasion, then uninstall & install the new version, right?
Dec 14 10:26:53 <Bossmanbeta> for some reason I couldn't move the mouse though........ but I will try it again without the SSH via WIFI
Dec 14 10:27:04 <Krstnsn`> they should install over the top
Dec 14 10:27:34 <Krstnsn`> and ya mostlikely if they are still in dev they dont check for updates
Dec 14 10:27:47 <Krstnsn`> the irc doesnt. he updates often though
Dec 14 10:28:04 <Krstnsn`> 1-2 times a day
Dec 14 10:28:07 <Bossmanbeta> Krstnsn, also, is ther a summary page of all apps on the google code site for Android? I'm doing a search, but getting mixed results
Dec 14 10:28:50 <Bossmanbeta> I'm look @ this page, but obviously apps are missing: http://code.google.com/p/apps-for-android/
Dec 14 10:29:00 <Bossmanbeta> looking*
Dec 14 10:29:27 <Krstnsn`> ya thats not updated
Dec 14 10:29:36 <Krstnsn`> goog said theyre working on it
Dec 14 10:29:44 <kirberich> http://androidcommunity.com/forums/androidmarket.php
Dec 14 10:29:51 <kirberich> this page seems to be relatively useful
Dec 14 10:30:20 <Bossmanbeta> I find that VNC page if I google for "android vnc client" but not if I search for "android vnc" ... :)
Dec 14 10:30:42 <Bossmanbeta> I'll bookmark that
Dec 14 10:30:43 <Bossmanbeta> thank u
Dec 14 10:32:45 * spikebike wants an android vnc server
Dec 14 10:33:45 <jsharkey> well somehow it allows adb to grab screenshots
Dec 14 10:37:43 <kirberich> does anybody know if there is an easy way to connect to a mysql database with an android program?
Dec 14 10:39:50 <jsharkey> kirberich: well, it allows normal java libs and socket connections
Dec 14 10:40:06 <jsharkey> so if you have an external mysql server somehwere, it should work
Dec 14 10:40:15 <jsharkey> using the normal java mysql connector libs
Dec 14 10:40:31 <kirberich> ah, yes, thank you
Dec 14 10:41:19 <jsharkey> hmm i wonder how secure the mysql protocol is tho
Dec 14 10:41:21 <kennyyu> may i know where are the implementations of the native methods declared in WebViewCore.java? i cannot find them in rameworks/base/core/jni ...
Dec 14 10:44:26 <Bossmanbeta> well........ I can type, in the VNC session, but still haven't figured out how to interact with the mouse/desktop ... I have to bring up notepad & activate the window so I can type in the window from the G1
Dec 14 10:44:27 <jsharkey> kennyyu: they might be over in the webkit.git repo
Dec 14 10:44:40 <jsharkey> under WebCore/
Dec 14 10:56:05 <kennyyu> jsharkey: thanks!
Dec 14 10:56:22 <kennyyu> now i believe it's in webcore/platform/android/jni...
Dec 14 13:04:48 <Milad> hi , I any way to add custom font for Android Browser ?
Dec 14 13:04:59 <Milad> I can not see persian font's in my browser
Dec 14 13:07:18 <_Lunch> not that I know of
Dec 14 13:07:27 <_Lunch> interesting question though
Dec 14 13:26:30 <Foxdie> hmm, is there any way to rename a folder you create on the android desktop?
Dec 14 13:26:38 <Foxdie> simply being called "Folder" is pretty useless :)
Dec 14 13:31:42 <anno^da-> Can someone tell me if there is a possibility to change the Tab Indicator? I know how to initially set it up but how can I cange it ?
Dec 14 13:32:29 <Foxdie> also, anyone know why busybox crashes so much?
Dec 14 13:33:02 <Foxdie> by crash, I mean, you try and do anything as simple as "busybox ls -al" and you get "segmentation fault"
Dec 14 13:36:22 <_Lunch> What exactly does "Active Installs" mean?
Dec 14 13:49:16 * Foxdie takes a crack at recompiling busybox for G1 / android
Dec 14 14:50:29 <chris248> hi
Dec 14 14:50:42 <chris248> what's a cheap prepaid international provider?
Dec 14 14:50:58 <chris248> that will also work in u.s.?
Dec 14 15:07:42 * chris248 yawns :Oo
Dec 14 15:07:52 <chris248> anyone actually talk here?
Dec 14 15:11:32 <Leeds> sssshhhh
Dec 14 15:11:56 <Leeds> or to put it another way: not really an android question, is it?
Dec 14 15:15:04 <eldenz> ^^
Dec 14 15:19:07 <ivantis2> can dev phones be used by other companies right?
Dec 14 15:21:36 <ivantis2> but a G1 would be a great investment
Dec 14 15:21:45 <chris248> Leeds, where do i go to ask such question?
Dec 14 15:21:54 <ivantis2> SSH, Ir
Dec 14 15:21:57 <ivantis2> c
Dec 14 15:22:36 <ivantis2> www, emai
Dec 14 15:22:38 <ivantis2> l
Dec 14 15:22:51 <ivantis2> write your own java apps
Dec 14 15:23:47 <epsy> well, pretty much every phone out there supports java
Dec 14 15:24:14 <ivantis2> linux kernel
Dec 14 15:25:06 <ivantis2> it is so cool
Dec 14 15:28:12 <falstaff_> Hello, can i register a event at WifiManager? I found noting in the documentation
Dec 14 15:28:45 <falstaff_> But in the log of netbeans when my g1 is connected i see this entry: 12-14 16:07:06.640: VERBOSE/WifiMonitor(54): Event [CTRL-EVENT-CONNECTED - Connection to 00:11:6b:10:7f:72 completed (reauth) [id=2 id_str=]]
Dec 14 15:28:53 <falstaff_> how can i register to this event?
Dec 14 15:46:45 <anno^da-> Some Google guys availbel that could tell me how to handle the situation when a service gets killed by the system. (started with startService())
Dec 14 15:47:40 <anno^da-> Is there some way to catch that kill and update my user interface in my activity when the user starts the UI later again.
Dec 14 16:10:02 <kirberich> is it just me, or is getting a foot in the door in android development really frustrating? i really seem to be missing just core piece of information.
Dec 14 16:11:34 <infernix> great
Dec 14 16:11:50 <infernix> i've got a full state system backup script now
Dec 14 16:11:52 <Disconnect> kirberich: it was easy enough for me, except for the stupid xml layout stuff. that took some real effort.
Dec 14 16:12:04 <Disconnect> infernix: for recovery partition?
Dec 14 16:12:14 <kirberich> Disconnect: yeah that's my main problem right now too
Dec 14 16:12:29 <kirberich> in most cases I get a program that compiles but crashes for no apparent reason
Dec 14 16:12:38 <infernix> Disconnect: make backup in recovery mode, restore backup in flashboot mode
Dec 14 16:12:50 <Disconnect> infernix: schweet!
Dec 14 16:12:59 <infernix> but it should be fairly easy to restore in recovery mode as well
Dec 14 16:12:59 <Disconnect> wanna write it up for my site? :)
Dec 14 16:13:23 <infernix> will tune things a bit before posting
Dec 14 16:13:35 <pjv> how do I do a cursor join (like a db select/query join)?
Dec 14 16:14:20 <pjv> CursorJoin doesn't seem to work or provide a new joint Cursor
Dec 14 16:15:18 <kirberich> Disconnect: is there some tutorial about the ui stuff that is better than google's "getting started" pages?
Dec 14 16:15:32 <kirberich> reading sample code isn't really doing the trick for me
Dec 14 16:15:32 <Disconnect> not really :(
Dec 14 16:15:42 <kirberich> hmpf
Dec 14 16:16:16 * Disconnect isn't in the url-seeking business anymore - we used to have a bot to index all that, but with it gone i'm not really up for googling stuff over and over. if i can remember where/what i'll help but...
Dec 14 16:16:33 <Disconnect> there was one that helped a little, as far as just showing examples of what each layout object looked like onscreen
Dec 14 16:16:43 <pjv> kirberich: about the foot in the door: yes, some things are less documented than they should be perhaps, and then there are also some loose ends
Dec 14 16:16:46 <kirberich> well that certainly already helps me
Dec 14 16:16:50 <Disconnect> and the api demos have a ton of layouts, basically tehy demonstrate everything
Dec 14 16:17:37 <Disconnect> kirberich: so push teh goog to allow bots back so we can have our indexes and urls again..
Dec 14 16:18:58 <Disconnect> s/bots/bot without logging that doesn't speak when not addressed, etc/ (cuz there were some legit issues iwth the original one we had)
Dec 14 16:20:20 <_Lunch> Is video recording broken in the API?
Dec 14 16:21:54 <Disconnect> yep. driver problems among others
Dec 14 16:23:53 <_Lunch> that explains why there aren't any video recording software on the market... I want the last half hour of my life back.
Dec 14 16:24:37 <_Lunch> What does "Active Installs" really mean in the developer console?
Dec 14 16:25:45 <Disconnect> afaiu its installs - uninstalls
Dec 14 16:25:55 <Disconnect> so a rough count of the # of devices that have it right now
Dec 14 16:26:16 <_Lunch> strange that the faq doesn't say anything about it, as far as I can tell
Dec 14 16:27:37 <Disconnect> yah well
Dec 14 16:30:51 <_Lunch> have we heard anything about r03 or the next handset update?
Dec 14 16:38:42 <eldenz> how is it possible that i remove an 1.1MB file from /system/app and it only shows 248K free afterwards?
Dec 14 16:39:25 <eldenz> isn't /system normally mounted readonly? or where can i delete tmpfiles on there?
Dec 14 16:42:04 <eldenz> anything i can delete on /system ?
Dec 14 16:42:11 <eldenz> (have already cleaned /system/media)
Dec 14 16:44:00 <eldenz> illogical
Dec 14 16:46:02 <Dougie187> exit
Dec 14 17:35:06 <Disconnect> wow. xaviar is still roundabout claiming to work for google.
Dec 14 17:35:20 <mikey|> Disconnect: link?
Dec 14 17:35:42 <Disconnect> any of his posts where he claims to be a google groups customer support specialist
Dec 14 17:36:28 <mikey|> his sig is "Google Group Client Based Tech Support Specialist "
Dec 14 17:36:44 <ttuttle> Can you get him kicked out for that?
Dec 14 17:36:49 <ttuttle> (Please?)
Dec 14 17:38:13 <ttuttle> Or should someone just call him on it and ask what his qualifications are?
Dec 14 17:39:24 <Disconnect> nah then we'll just get in trouble for trolling.
Dec 14 17:39:29 <mikey|> strange, can't find the String.format() method on the java api site :s
Dec 14 17:39:34 <Adamant> is it a private group or backed by Usenet?
Dec 14 17:39:42 <ttuttle> Disconnect: Hmm./
Dec 14 17:40:00 <Adamant> if it's Usenet backed, there will be no bannings unless the group is moderated
Dec 14 17:40:03 <ttuttle> Disconnect: Could we just ask him tons of questions by email?
Dec 14 17:40:08 <ttuttle> Adamant: I doubt it's usenet backed.
Dec 14 17:40:21 <Disconnect> ttuttle: go for it. i've got better things to do with my time but..
Dec 14 17:40:39 <ttuttle> Disconnect: We could write a script that just generates pseudo-intelligent questions by combining interesting phrases.
Dec 14 18:27:03 <mikey|> how many pixels is the screen in the emulator?
Dec 14 18:28:23 <xsdg> mikey|: you can change the size,but it's still HVGA
Dec 14 18:28:34 <xsdg> (320x480)
Dec 14 18:28:47 <xsdg> HVGA by default, that is
Dec 14 18:28:51 <mikey|> k, thanks
Dec 14 18:36:15 <_Lunch> Anyone know how the MyBackup app accesses text messages?
Dec 14 18:36:42 <bert0> can someone give me the best link to turn my modified rc30  g1 into a dev phone?
Dec 14 18:38:55 <DarkriftX> erm, there is a link on my wiki somewhere
Dec 14 18:39:01 <DarkriftX> goes directly to disconnects site
Dec 14 18:39:05 <DarkriftX> lemme find it
Dec 14 18:39:19 <DarkriftX> ack, firefox locked up
Dec 14 18:39:40 <DarkriftX> go to android-dls.com/wiki and scroll down. its on the front page
Dec 14 18:39:53 <DarkriftX> i believe its the longest hyperlinked text link on the page
Dec 14 18:40:35 <bert0> ok thank you
Dec 14 18:42:27 <Disconnect> www.gotontheinter.net/bootloader
Dec 14 18:42:53 <Disconnect> followed by http://www.gotontheinter.net/content/android-developer-phone-1
Dec 14 18:43:12 <Disconnect> er, sorry. he didn't put the update.zip there. its the other one. lemme get it.
Dec 14 18:43:26 <DarkriftX> there you go
Dec 14 18:43:34 <Disconnect> well anyway just do it the easy way. www.gotontheinter.net has the links on the front page still :)
Dec 14 18:43:35 <DarkriftX> i can never remember your domain name
Dec 14 18:43:56 * Disconnect should alias up sigkill.net for it
Dec 14 18:44:00 <DarkriftX> heh
Dec 14 18:44:21 <DarkriftX> i got droidwiki.com for $1 a few weeks ago and pointed it to my wiki, but i always forget about that also
Dec 14 18:44:43 <DarkriftX> for a guy whos job is domain names and dns, i sure dont remember domains very well
Dec 14 18:45:59 <Disconnect> ok sigkill.net goes there now.
Dec 14 18:46:10 <Disconnect> (actually, someone test that for me from outside..)
Dec 14 18:47:20 <eldenz> it works.. i'd reecommend to redirect to your real domain though
Dec 14 18:47:29 <Disconnect> yah thats what i'm debating
Dec 14 18:47:33 <eldenz> for search engine's purpose
Dec 14 18:47:49 <eldenz> it seems to be an alias
Dec 14 18:49:05 <eldenz> redirecting now :)
Dec 14 18:49:55 <Disconnect> yah. so there ya go, an easier to remember url.
Dec 14 19:11:34 <bert0> What can go wrong that would brick my phone?
Dec 14 19:11:52 <zinx> when doing what?
Dec 14 19:12:12 <xsdg> bert0: you could drop it in the toilet
Dec 14 19:12:17 <bert0> upgrading to Engineer bootloader
Dec 14 19:12:21 <zinx> you could damage the hardware, or the boot/recovery/radio/whatever images
Dec 14 19:12:47 <zinx> damaging the boot loader could brick it.. though i think i read you have to damage both the boot loader and the recovery image
Dec 14 19:13:11 <Disconnect> if you damage the spl during that upgrade it will die
Dec 14 19:13:30 <SanMehat> congrats!
Dec 14 19:13:38 <Disconnect> ?
Dec 14 19:13:54 <SanMehat> wrong window
Dec 14 19:13:58 <Disconnect> heh
Dec 14 19:14:04 <Disconnect> "congrats! you bricked your g1!"
Dec 14 19:14:11 <SanMehat> oh that too!
Dec 14 19:15:14 <bert0> are there any md5 files floating around to make sure this will go smoothly or anything else I can check to insure non-bricking?
Dec 14 19:17:02 <Disconnect> it has a crc (its a zip file)
Dec 14 19:17:58 <Disconnect> and a crypto signature (test keys are still keys,they just happen to be shared)
Dec 14 19:18:21 <Disconnect> just keep it plugged into usb and don't do anything dumb while it updates (pulling battery, pushing buttons, etc)
Dec 14 19:21:51 <bert0> I just rename the file to update.zip and put it on my sd card, reboot while holding the camera button, and press alt+s?
Dec 14 19:25:16 <Disconnect> apply it just like any other update.zip (istr its home not camera)
Dec 14 19:25:18 <Disconnect> camera gets you spl
Dec 14 19:27:02 <bert0> I've only ever applied one update.zip so thanks for the added instruction
Dec 14 19:28:16 <Disconnect> JesusFreke: any word on rc30-1.3?
Dec 14 19:39:51 <bert0> why is the old update.zip 45 megabytes and the one for the engineering bootloader only 176 kb?
Dec 14 19:40:10 <Disconnect> because it only has the engineering bootloader..
Dec 14 19:46:34 <_Lunch> Anyone have any idea how to programatically get to text messages?
Dec 14 19:49:46 <hanen> hello guys, am new here and also considering myself as a newbie into Android apps dev so thought that maybe u can inspire me with some cutting edge ideas to start from for the purpose of developing a new type of application running on such OS
Dec 14 19:54:15 <bert0> build a craigslist application with a map interface
Dec 14 19:57:20 <bert0> how do I build the FASTBOOT client?
Dec 14 20:03:31 <ivantis2> what is a good way to clean my screen?
Dec 14 20:06:57 <bert0> spray windex on a paper towel and wipe it off
Dec 14 20:07:52 <bert0> Has anyone tried those invisible shield things?
Dec 14 20:08:20 <Disconnect> i am a huge fan
Dec 14 20:08:25 <Disconnect> thats why the ad on my site :)
Dec 14 20:08:42 <bert0> I didn't see it there, is it worth $25?
Dec 14 20:08:48 <Disconnect> check the accessories list/story i did for some of my thoughts on them. http://www.gotontheinter.net/content/essential-g1adp1-accessories
Dec 14 20:08:57 <Disconnect> celebrity endorsements and all :)
Dec 14 20:09:13 <Disconnect> ttuttle gets mentioned in a good way ;)
Dec 14 20:09:20 <mikey|> had a major scare today, thought my screen had a big scratch
Dec 14 20:09:30 <mikey|> but luckily, it was just the cover that comes with the screen
Dec 14 20:09:36 <Disconnect> nice
Dec 14 20:09:42 <mikey|> but it felt really deep
Dec 14 20:09:55 <eldenz> is the screen supposedly scratch proof?
Dec 14 20:10:14 <Disconnect> bert0: use one of my affiliate links :) and personally, i bought the full cladding but only applied the screen protector (and one of the cutouts from the buttons went onto the back of the screen to stop the creaking)
Dec 14 20:10:15 <mikey|> doubt it
Dec 14 20:10:31 <Disconnect> mine scratched. and i couldn't stand the grease+glass look and feel
Dec 14 20:10:39 <eldenz> ow, that sucks.. if i had known that i wouldn't have removed the initial cover..
Dec 14 20:10:39 <mikey|> that Zagg thing looks amazing
Dec 14 20:10:46 <mikey|> but they dont have any uk offices :|
Dec 14 20:11:05 <Disconnect> the invisishield gave it just enough texture to be perfect and doesn't show finger[rints and such as bad
Dec 14 20:11:09 <eldenz> i found a local shop here tha thas zagg products.. unfortunately no g1 version ;<
Dec 14 20:11:20 <Disconnect> yah bestbuy carries some of them as well but not for the g1
Dec 14 20:11:26 <Disconnect> istr they ship basically anywhere tho
Dec 14 20:11:56 <eldenz> i was too lazy to make an account to get to know how much shipment costs ;) going to the shop tomorrow and ask if they can order it for me..
Dec 14 20:12:43 <eldenz> (i am assuming it's quite expensive to import only 2-3 of them)
Dec 14 20:13:57 <Disconnect> what country? i'll run a test order and see what it offers
Dec 14 20:14:18 <eldenz> switzerland
Dec 14 20:14:21 <bert0> there was a kiosk at the mall that offered to apply it for me for $25 so I think I'll go have them do it
Dec 14 20:14:22 <eldenz> oh that would be awesome, thanks
Dec 14 20:14:27 <Disconnect> post code?
Dec 14 20:14:34 <eldenz> 8000
Dec 14 20:14:51 <Disconnect> bert0: its not at -all- difficult to apply yourself. not like a normal screen protector
Dec 14 20:15:07 <Disconnect> uses some sort of mostly-water liquid so it goes on really easy.
Dec 14 20:15:19 <mikey|> the screen protector is only a tenner
Dec 14 20:15:24 <bert0> well they apply it for free with purchase so I'll just have them do it
Dec 14 20:15:29 <Disconnect> eldenz: it wants city too
Dec 14 20:15:30 <mikey|> well worth it if it works as well as they say
Dec 14 20:15:37 <eldenz> Disconnect, Zürich
Dec 14 20:15:57 <Disconnect> 7-10 day royal mail is free
Dec 14 20:16:09 <Disconnect> 5-7 day is $6USD
Dec 14 20:16:16 <eldenz> oooh, that's all?
Dec 14 20:16:22 <Disconnect> 2-4day w/ signature proof is $16.50USD
Dec 14 20:16:30 <eldenz> wow... that's actually quite cheep
Dec 14 20:16:32 <eldenz> cheap
Dec 14 20:16:42 <bert0> inexpensive, actually
Dec 14 20:16:44 <Disconnect> yep. :)
Dec 14 20:16:59 <Disconnect> (i agree its a pita they don't let you get shipping info w/o registering)
Dec 14 20:17:09 <eldenz> was looking at an amazon.com item recently (the usb->stereo adapter) and they charged like $20 for 3weeks shipment or so
Dec 14 20:17:15 <Disconnect> lol
Dec 14 20:17:16 <Disconnect> nice
Dec 14 20:17:26 <eldenz> i mean... $10 adapter and $20 shipping : D
Dec 14 20:17:36 <Disconnect> yah
Dec 14 20:17:46 <Disconnect> well look at the places where its $399 to buy an adp1 and $250 to ship it
Dec 14 20:17:55 * mikey| clicks pay now
Dec 14 20:17:56 <eldenz> isn't that canada?
Dec 14 20:18:11 <eldenz> i wonder why though... as it's not even over the ocean
Dec 14 20:18:14 <Disconnect> yah canada and germany i think
Dec 14 20:18:27 <Disconnect> "duties and fees" but its not actually that expensive
Dec 14 20:18:45 <Disconnect> istr fedex international is -blindingly- expensive most of the time
Dec 14 20:18:47 <bert0> disconnect:  what does it mean on your site when it says "Building FASTBOOT client is the second important bit"
Dec 14 20:18:49 <mikey|> oh wow, that is really lame
Dec 14 20:18:57 <mikey|> they sent me a discount code *after* buying
Dec 14 20:19:10 <eldenz> lol
Dec 14 20:19:11 <mikey|> to sent to other people
Dec 14 20:19:22 <eldenz> how much discount do you get with the code?
Dec 14 20:19:25 <mikey|> 20%
Dec 14 20:20:06 <mikey|> im feeling friendly, I have 2 codes, first to ask gets
Dec 14 20:20:34 <mikey|> 1 left
Dec 14 20:21:03 <Disconnect> did you use my affil link?
Dec 14 20:21:10 <mikey|> yeah
Dec 14 20:21:20 <Disconnect> :)
Dec 14 20:21:22 <Disconnect> sorry about the codes, didn't know about them
Dec 14 20:21:27 <mikey|> all gone
Dec 14 20:21:28 <SanMehat> yo
Dec 14 20:21:58 <chris248> anyone use voip?
Dec 14 20:23:03 <SanMehat> like... ever?
Dec 14 20:23:11 <Disconnect> heh
Dec 14 20:26:25 <chris248> yeah
Dec 14 20:26:28 <chris248> like ever
Dec 14 20:26:30 <chris248> :)
Dec 14 20:26:32 <SanMehat> well yeah.
Dec 14 20:26:45 <chris248> and you don't now?
Dec 14 20:26:58 <SanMehat> nah
Dec 14 20:27:08 <ttuttle> Disconnect: who mentioned me?
Dec 14 20:27:10 <chris248> i have hard time figuring out what to say to peple
Dec 14 20:27:19 <ttuttle> Disconnect: the eng bootloader page?
Dec 14 20:27:21 <chris248> i'm just like... very....... spacey :)
Dec 14 20:27:32 <ttuttle> SanMehat: hey
Dec 14 20:27:33 <SanMehat> so you're high?
Dec 14 20:27:34 <chris248> so i've never had a interest in phones
Dec 14 20:27:37 <SanMehat> hey tut
Dec 14 20:27:37 <chris248> until now
Dec 14 20:27:48 <ttuttle> SanMehat: how's it going?
Dec 14 20:27:51 <chris248> so i'm almost nonexistant
Dec 14 20:27:53 <chris248> :O\
Dec 14 20:27:54 <ttuttle> SanMehat: he's high... on life.
Dec 14 20:28:01 <SanMehat> ttuttle: its going ok. working on fsck.vfat
Dec 14 20:28:03 <Disconnect> ttuttle: yah but you're on the accessories page in a good way
Dec 14 20:28:06 <ttuttle> SanMehat: yay
Dec 14 20:28:09 <SanMehat> ttuttle: boo
Dec 14 20:28:15 <ttuttle> Disconnect: oh? what's it say?
Dec 14 20:28:26 <SanMehat> Disconnect: give me big ups!
Dec 14 20:28:27 <Disconnect> omg its chris crocker
Dec 14 20:28:38 <chris248> nah
Dec 14 20:28:41 <Disconnect> ttuttle: that you got the invisishield and liked it
Dec 14 20:28:50 <ttuttle> Disconnect: cool
Dec 14 20:29:13 <SanMehat> ttuttle: you think this is a cryptic enough kmsg output? :)
Dec 14 20:29:13 <SanMehat>   printk(KERN_INFO "%s: Worked around bug 1535304\n",
Dec 14 20:29:14 <SanMehat> +                              mmc_hostname(host->mmc));
Dec 14 20:29:14 <mikey|> :s
Dec 14 20:29:28 <Disconnect> you and jf get listed as 'celebrity endorsements' for the invisishield and basic protective sleeve, respectively
Dec 14 20:29:30 <mikey|> im using almost the exact same code in two programs, yet one works fine and another doesn't
Dec 14 20:29:41 <Disconnect> mikey|: investigate 'almost'
Dec 14 20:29:43 <Disconnect> :)
Dec 14 20:29:43 <SanMehat> mikey|: look into the 'almost' part
Dec 14 20:29:45 <SanMehat> hahaha
Dec 14 20:29:49 * SanMehat ^5's disconnect
Dec 14 20:29:51 <Disconnect> hehe
Dec 14 20:29:52 <ttuttle> Disconnect: /me is not that good at aligning it, but it fit pretty well, and it is a great protector.
Dec 14 20:29:56 <ttuttle> Disconnect: heh
Dec 14 20:30:13 <Disconnect> anyone get j2me gmail working under j2merunner?
Dec 14 20:30:38 <mikey|> the almost part is just what info is sent, in one case math.random() and in another String or SpannableStringBuilder array
Dec 14 20:31:09 <mikey|> im making the math.random app post to a handler at 50ms intervals, yet the autoscroll keeps up
Dec 14 20:31:28 <mikey|> but in the other one, the occasional message doesnt make it scroll
Dec 14 20:32:13 <chris248> so what do you use for making calls San Mehat?
Dec 14 20:32:20 <chris248> or do you just chat on irc?
Dec 14 20:32:25 <chris248> :O)
Dec 14 20:32:50 <SanMehat> chris248: i ues my phone
Dec 14 20:32:59 <chris248> cell?
Dec 14 20:33:10 <SanMehat> chris248: yesh
Dec 14 20:33:22 <chris248> i just ordered another tracfone, the Motorola W370 one didn't work for me
Dec 14 20:33:32 <chris248> sim card i think was bad
Dec 14 20:33:39 <SanMehat> did you blog about it?
Dec 14 20:33:46 <chris248> i never blog about anything
Dec 14 20:33:55 <chris248> i'm not interesting
Dec 14 20:34:10 <SanMehat> well... thanks for the update!
Dec 14 20:34:16 <chris248> heh
Dec 14 20:35:00 <chris248> do you think i should go to this buddhist monastery? http://www.gyuto.us
Dec 14 20:35:11 <SanMehat> absolutely
Dec 14 20:35:16 <chris248> why? :)
Dec 14 20:35:18 <SanMehat> with all haste
Dec 14 20:35:32 <chris248> honestly?
Dec 14 20:35:34 <SanMehat> I can absolutely tell that its totally for you
Dec 14 20:35:55 <SanMehat> you cannot afford to miss this opportunity
Dec 14 20:36:02 <Disconnect> why are you here?
Dec 14 20:36:13 <SanMehat> the monastary is your calling... you should do it.
Dec 14 20:36:19 <chris248> how do you know this?
Dec 14 20:36:23 <chris248> :)
Dec 14 20:36:24 <Adamant> I'm not sure asking people on #android is the best way to decide
Dec 14 20:36:24 <SanMehat> i can just tell
Dec 14 20:36:35 <chris248> just by the words i write here..?
Dec 14 20:36:40 <SanMehat> yeah absolutely
Dec 14 20:36:42 <SanMehat> i'm gifted
Dec 14 20:37:07 <chris248> but.. what do you mean i cannot afford not to go?
Dec 14 20:37:32 <SanMehat> don't you see? thats part of the experience. You are to pilgrimage there, begging the entire way.. to teach you humility
Dec 14 20:37:46 <SanMehat> once you actually *get there*, you're in like flynn.
Dec 14 20:37:55 <chris248> flynn?
Dec 14 20:38:26 <SanMehat> anyways, you should definetley go
Dec 14 20:39:00 <chris248> will i.. die if i don't?
Dec 14 20:39:06 <SanMehat> who can say really?
Dec 14 20:39:08 <chris248> and what if i cannot stay?
Dec 14 20:39:19 <chris248> to come back here to this ... place
Dec 14 20:39:36 * chris248 sighs :Oo
Dec 14 20:39:57 <chris248> i'm so indecisive
Dec 14 20:40:03 <chris248> mostly due to my lack of memory
Dec 14 20:40:15 <Adamant> chris248: you'll have to learn the Tao Of Android as penance
Dec 14 20:41:03 <Adamant> become one with the VM
Dec 14 20:41:49 <chris248> do you think they would allow me to stay there if i needed?
Dec 14 20:41:53 <chris248> that's what troubles me so
Dec 14 20:41:56 <chris248> =O/
Dec 14 20:42:30 <chris248> i probably will forget how i got there
Dec 14 20:42:39 <chris248> my memory as it is now.. is already quite weak
Dec 14 20:42:51 <chris248> and it's only weakening.. subtly.. gradually day by day
Dec 14 20:42:54 <Disconnect> clearly. you forgot you already came here yesterday.
Dec 14 20:43:15 <chris248> i did :O?
Dec 14 20:44:10 <chris248> so i assume you guys are already awake to the truth?
Dec 14 20:44:34 <chris248> that your mind/body has already gone thru the full transformative effects?
Dec 14 20:44:48 <Disconnect> we're not bhuddist
Dec 14 20:44:53 <chris248> but neither am i
Dec 14 20:45:02 <bert0> speak for yourself
Dec 14 20:45:02 <chris248> which is also what worries me..
Dec 14 20:45:06 <Disconnect> right but you should go to the monestary and become bhuddist
Dec 14 20:45:13 <SanMehat> chris248: dude.
Dec 14 20:45:16 <SanMehat> you asked me
Dec 14 20:45:16 <chris248> to go there and not really understand their way of pointing using Buddhist concepts
Dec 14 20:45:18 <SanMehat> i'm telling you.
Dec 14 20:45:22 <SanMehat> go to the goddamn monestary.
Dec 14 20:45:48 <SanMehat> dont be such a wuss.
Dec 14 20:46:00 <chris248> i will..
Dec 14 20:46:11 <chris248> if you convince me Why you think it will be good for me
Dec 14 20:46:11 <SanMehat> bert0: hahaha
Dec 14 20:46:18 <chris248> and if you know if i can stay there??
Dec 14 20:46:20 <SanMehat> sorry too busy
Dec 14 20:46:22 <chris248> :O)
Dec 14 20:46:25 <SanMehat> go ask a monk
Dec 14 20:46:25 <chris248> hey! come on
Dec 14 20:46:44 <chris248> so my life is not important?
Dec 14 20:46:51 <chris248> what life?
Dec 14 20:46:58 <chris248> heh i have hardly none
Dec 14 20:47:00 <SanMehat> what makes you think you're alive?
Dec 14 20:47:17 <eldenz> does naybody how one successfully sets up an account in K-9?
Dec 14 20:47:20 <Disconnect> SanMehat: ..bots are verbotin but this guy is ok? i seriously don't understand the rules here apparently.
Dec 14 20:47:22 <chuck> Hey, has anyone here gotten a Dev Phone from Google?
Dec 14 20:47:29 <chuck> I'm wondering how long it took to get shipped.
Dec 14 20:47:31 <SanMehat> Disconnect: he's pushing it... :)
Dec 14 20:47:51 <Disconnect> chuck: first comparison article: http://www.gotontheinter.net/content/android-developer-phone-1
Dec 14 20:48:01 <chris248> can i pirvate message you San Mehat? :)
Dec 14 20:48:06 <Disconnect> chris248: yes
Dec 14 20:48:28 <chris248> you or San Mehat?
Dec 14 20:48:32 <Disconnect> you should definitely discuss this in private with him. or with ttuttle - i think ttuttle is actually a bhuddist
Dec 14 20:48:33 <SanMehat> him
Dec 14 20:49:04 <chris248> ok
Dec 14 20:49:18 * Disconnect is just doing his part to bring the channel back on topic. unlike the googlers, for some reason.
Dec 14 20:49:36 <chris248> hmm...
Dec 14 20:49:54 <SanMehat> Disconnect: relax. he was funny for awhile
Dec 14 20:51:23 <Disconnect> damnit. cj isn't listing my zagg sales :( i wonder how many i've missed
Dec 14 20:52:19 <chris248> ..but am no more..  =O?
Dec 14 20:53:05 <chuck> Also, does anyone know if it's possible to get the Amazon MP3 store onto the dev phone?
Dec 14 20:53:08 <chris248> why does the windows logo look like the swastika symbol from nazi germany? :O/
Dec 14 20:53:11 <Disconnect> unsubscribe
Dec 14 20:58:11 <ivantis2> is it just me, or is anyone else concerned about the way the screen snaps out?
Dec 14 20:58:27 <Disconnect> "concerned"?
Dec 14 20:58:31 <ivantis2> it sounds like its gonna break off
Dec 14 20:59:11 <SanMehat> ivantis2: i've never seen one break off
Dec 14 20:59:12 <kirberich> ivantis2: it invariably does, the 67th time you open it.
Dec 14 20:59:17 <kirberich> SanMehat: pssh!
Dec 14 20:59:19 <SanMehat> ivantis2: and i've dropped a lot of em
Dec 14 20:59:30 <ivantis2> i think mime is getting loose
Dec 14 20:59:37 <ivantis2> mine**
Dec 14 21:00:27 <ivantis2> 67th time?
Dec 14 21:00:48 <ivantis2> fuck, ive opened mine 66 times!
Dec 14 21:00:52 <SanMehat> lol
Dec 14 21:01:01 <ivantis2> i just wont close it again
Dec 14 21:01:04 <ivantis2> easy
Dec 14 21:01:22 <kirberich> there you go
Dec 14 21:02:55 <ivantis2> i kind of want to work on this irc client
Dec 14 21:03:06 <ivantis2> is it open source?
Dec 14 21:03:52 <ivantis2> ??
Dec 14 21:04:37 <Disconnect> ivantis2: my omniscience is failing me, sorry.
Dec 14 21:04:46 <Disconnect> but if you mail me your phone i'll see what client and check for you.
Dec 14 21:05:30 <ivantis2> its AndroidIRC i think is called
Dec 14 21:06:11 <ivantis2> i want to put in notification settings
Dec 14 21:07:49 <ivantis2> actually, i has to go to something
Dec 14 21:08:13 <ivantis2> wait.. i can bring my phone ;)
Dec 14 21:08:20 <ivantis2> forgot
Dec 14 21:09:06 <ivantis2> do phones get the same IP from tmobile each time?
Dec 14 21:09:20 * ivantis2 goes to check his logs
Dec 14 21:15:08 <ivantis2> im going
Dec 14 21:15:12 <ivantis2> later
Dec 14 21:17:20 <`krstnsn> http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/12/14/vo.bush.shoe.pool.cnn
Dec 14 21:17:46 <bparker06> can anyone help with setting up data on AT&T?
Dec 14 21:17:59 <bparker06> I have a dev phone if that matters
Dec 14 21:18:06 <bparker06> been trying for 2 days to fix this
Dec 14 21:18:15 <bparker06> and I've tried like 20 different combinations of APN settings
Dec 14 21:42:45 <unix_infidel> how are updates for apps in the market handled?>
Dec 14 21:44:53 <jsharkey> unix_infidel: when there is a newer version, you can upgrade-in-place by installing the new version over the existing one, but there is no auto-check for upgrades right now
Dec 14 21:45:43 <jsharkey> bparker06: did your old phone have data?  i had to copy my apn settings from an old nokia
Dec 14 21:47:43 <illuminum> haha stupid android coders, if you guys listened to me when i said root was pivotal to getting the real gnu/foss coders on board then you wouldnt be stuck with an OS with a bed reputation and a bunch of shitty apps
Dec 14 21:47:44 <illuminum> losers
Dec 14 21:48:34 <JesusFreke> rofl
Dec 14 21:48:43 <JesusFreke> drive by insulting
Dec 14 21:48:55 * JesusFreke is mortally wounded
Dec 14 21:48:58 <jham> bparker06: apn="wap.cingular" user="WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM", passwd="CINGULAR1" works for me
Dec 14 21:49:13 * jham notes the case4
Dec 14 21:49:34 <unix_infidel> steel now has support for an onscreen keyboard.
Dec 14 21:49:36 <unix_infidel> rejoice!
Dec 14 21:49:53 * jham goes to try the new steel build
Dec 14 21:50:06 <JesusFreke> what is steel?
Dec 14 21:50:14 <Adamant> if I was planning on designing non-shitty mobile phone apps, "real gnu/foss coders" would not be my go-to people.
Dec 14 21:50:21 <unix_infidel> JesusFreke: alternative browser for android, much better than current "Browser" app imho.
Dec 14 21:50:25 <JesusFreke> ah
Dec 14 21:50:39 <JesusFreke> o/ yifan :)
Dec 14 21:50:43 <unix_infidel> JesusFreke: only thing that's missing is ability to import bookmarks from Browser.
Dec 14 21:50:54 <JesusFreke> cool, I'll have to check it out
Dec 14 21:51:38 <unix_infidel> zooming is less obtrusive as well.
Dec 14 21:52:14 <Adamant> has the GNU project ever made a single project with a non-shitty UI for people who don't code?
Dec 14 21:53:51 <`krstnsn> unix_infidel, you tried that VK on Steel?
Dec 14 21:54:16 <`krstnsn> i couldnt get it to type shi
Dec 14 21:54:30 <Adamant> what about shit?
Dec 14 21:54:32 <bparker06> jham: I've tried that about 25 times now... believe me it's not working here.
Dec 14 21:54:36 <`krstnsn> my address bar basically looked like "efs dfgrrrrf"
Dec 14 21:54:40 <Adamant> :(
Dec 14 21:54:46 <unix_infidel> `krstnsn: that's most soft keyboards.
Dec 14 21:54:57 <`krstnsn> the qsearch on is pretty good
Dec 14 21:54:58 <`krstnsn> imo
Dec 14 21:55:00 <unix_infidel> steel seems to crash on google reader quite a bit though.
Dec 14 21:55:03 <Adamant> basically, they suck, don't use them.
Dec 14 21:55:17 <unix_infidel> `krstnsn: steel is more like the iphone keyboard, qsearch is a quick hack.
Dec 14 21:55:42 <`krstnsn> well whatever the deal is the qsearch works perfect for me
Dec 14 21:55:55 <`krstnsn> i couldnt deal with that steel one
Dec 14 21:57:11 <unix_infidel> curious to see what kind of interface the IMF brings.
Dec 14 21:58:00 <unix_infidel> `krstnsn: try launching google reader with steel.
Dec 14 22:03:13 <tomgibara> I have a pre-alpha keyboard implementation if anyone wants a look
Dec 14 22:03:26 <tomgibara> I'm agonizing over whether to continue with it, since there's one that's going to be released as part of the platform
Dec 14 22:03:36 <`krstnsn> i wouldnt
Dec 14 22:03:50 <`krstnsn> the dude who mad qsearch said he was scrapping his
Dec 14 22:03:59 <`krstnsn> cause of that reason
Dec 14 22:04:14 <`krstnsn> i mean... i guess you could do it.. might turn out better then android devs version
Dec 14 22:04:16 <`krstnsn> never know
Dec 14 22:04:45 <tomgibara> That's not a highly probably scenario though - looking at it objectively.
Dec 14 22:05:00 <tomgibara> Nevertheless, I think the implementation has potential.
Dec 14 22:05:14 <tomgibara> Hence my indecision.
Dec 14 22:05:57 <tomgibara> If anyone's interested: http://www.tomgibara.com/android/keyboard/keyboard.apk
Dec 14 22:06:16 <`krstnsn> ill peep it
Dec 14 22:06:55 <tomgibara> A long list of what's not implemented is given in the About
Dec 14 22:07:42 <`krstnsn> man my android is killing my irc client
Dec 14 22:07:54 <`krstnsn> but everyone else doesnt seem to have it happen
Dec 14 22:09:16 <`krstnsn> wow
Dec 14 22:09:18 <`krstnsn> thats really nice
Dec 14 22:09:25 <`krstnsn> actually
Dec 14 22:09:35 <`krstnsn> it typed every letter i meant to puch
Dec 14 22:09:37 <`krstnsn> push
Dec 14 22:10:13 <tomgibara> I still have a number of improvements to make in the predictive algorithm actually
Dec 14 22:10:31 <tomgibara> But yes, the current algorithm is workable.
Dec 14 22:12:02 <laura--> Has anyone tried any JSON marshalling on Android?
Dec 14 22:12:15 <tomgibara> laura--: Yes
Dec 14 22:12:27 <laura--> Awesome!  What lib did you end up using?
Dec 14 22:12:47 <laura--> I've tried gson and now JSONMarshallar but am getting bizarre errors with both
Dec 14 22:12:48 <tomgibara> Android is equipped with a package for it.
Dec 14 22:12:53 <laura--> heh
Dec 14 22:13:08 <unix_infidel> tomgibara: screenshot?
Dec 14 22:13:10 <laura--> well that's sweet
Dec 14 22:13:16 <tomgibara> It's org.json iirc
Dec 14 22:13:37 <`krstnsn> oh ya tomgibara good job though. i like how when i did miss a key it knew which on anyways
Dec 14 22:13:44 <laura--> Oh man.. you know, I saw a reference to that package but thought it was from that www.json.org project (which I also tried)
Dec 14 22:15:23 <orospakr> oh man, trying to build the IM app against the SDK is proving more difficult that I anticipated.
Dec 14 22:15:34 <tomgibara> unix_infidel: got one coming
Dec 14 22:15:46 <`krstnsn> haha
Dec 14 22:16:25 <orospakr> The generated .java classes from the AIDL files make references to the com.google.android.gtalkservice package.
Dec 14 22:16:32 <Disconnect> hahahaha nice
Dec 14 22:16:40 <Disconnect> file bugs against it
Dec 14 22:16:51 <orospakr> which is very odd, considering that package isn't actually mentioned in any of the AIDL files.
Dec 14 22:17:18 <tomgibara> unix_infidel: http://www.tomgibara.com/android/keyboard/keyboard.png
Dec 14 22:17:31 <Disconnect> thats nice. does it do zooming?
Dec 14 22:18:43 <tomgibara> zooming?
Dec 14 22:19:19 <unix_infidel> tomgibara: does the enter button start an activity or just linebreak?
Dec 14 22:19:36 <`krstnsn> try  t
Dec 14 22:19:38 <`krstnsn> it
Dec 14 22:19:42 <`krstnsn> feels nice
Dec 14 22:19:46 <`krstnsn> responds well
Dec 14 22:19:59 <unix_infidel> looks pretty snappy.
Dec 14 22:20:01 <tomgibara> unix_infidel: At the moment, its just a proof of concept. It's just a linebreak. The keyboard isn't really much use.
Dec 14 22:21:59 <orospakr> a Dasher port would be pretty awesome. :)
Dec 14 22:25:20 <tmzt_> hi, does the g1 work when plugged into a low-speed usb port?
Dec 14 22:28:58 <DarkriftX> i think it powers, but i heard it doesnt work on non usb2.0 ports (working meaning data xfer i think)
Dec 14 22:30:50 <`krstnsn> yo how do i get a logcat output?
Dec 14 22:31:49 <bparker06> are you using eclipse?
Dec 14 22:32:26 <`krstnsn> not using anything. Just using someones app and it keeps crashing.. he wanted it to see wehre the app was crashing
Dec 14 22:33:50 <laura--> Hmm.. so the Google provided JSON package only seems to be a way of parsing a String (and getting values).  Is it correct there's nothing in there to populate an actual object from a String?
Dec 14 22:34:23 <`krstnsn> ok so im downing eclipse bparker06
Dec 14 22:35:53 <eldenz>  `krstnsn, isn't it: adb logcat
Dec 14 22:36:44 <eldenz> or use ddms tool (works independently from eclipse)
Dec 14 22:36:45 <tomgibara> laura--: What do you mean by "populate an object from a string" ? If you mean automatically setting the fields of a class instance, then no, that's not possible.
Dec 14 22:39:03 <laura--> tomgibara: What approach did you use then for creating objects from json?  Make a constructor that takes a string?
Dec 14 22:40:49 <tomgibara> laura--: Simple question with a complicated answer. A string constructor is an option, but it really depends on your object model.
Dec 14 22:40:53 <laura--> I guess that's more of an architecture question.. but I'm still not sure.  Maybe I should make some JsonFactory class that returns each of my types?
Dec 14 22:41:13 <orospakr> erm.  android.os.Broadcaster exists in the source, but not in the SDK.  fun times.
Dec 14 22:41:27 <laura--> yeah.. it just sucks to have a string constructor that throws an exception (JsonException).  HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...
Dec 14 22:43:47 <tomgibara> laura--: A factory is probably a preferable first option imo. I hate the fact that JSONException is not a RuntimeException. You might want your factory to spit out a more digestible Exception.
Dec 14 22:45:21 <laura--> Very good point
Dec 14 22:45:32 <laura--> Out of curiousity, what was it that you worked on that consumed json?
Dec 14 22:46:51 <tomgibara> The Cooking Capsules application uses it. I didn't actually write the initial server comms implementation, but I'm maintaining it.
Dec 14 22:47:59 <laura--> Nice!
Dec 14 22:48:17 <laura--> Is that something you do on the side or fulltime?
Dec 14 22:50:23 <tomgibara> laura--: Again, simple question, complicated answer. And not one for IRC :)
Dec 14 22:53:20 <laura--> I see.  I do wonder what the story is with most of the app developers of the programs that wind up in the market.
Dec 14 22:54:53 <tomgibara> laura--: It's not particularly secret, I just try to avoid discuss contractual arrangements inappropriately.
Dec 14 22:55:26 <tomgibara> *discussing
Dec 14 22:56:59 <mikey|> has anyone here implemented an autoscroll using a TextView wrapped in a scrollView?
Dec 14 22:58:12 <mikey|> i cant figure this out, when I flip views, it scrolls right to the bottom, but when it appends my text, it just stays up about 5 px from the bottom
Dec 14 22:59:24 <jsharkey> mikey|: this might be related to the fading edge that scrollview provides
Dec 14 22:59:38 <mikey|> is there any way to get rid of it?
Dec 14 22:59:47 <mikey|> btw, jsharkey, you wrote connectbot?
Dec 14 22:59:59 <jsharkey> one of the writers :)
Dec 14 23:00:07 <mikey|> cool, one of my fav apps :)
Dec 14 23:00:24 <jsharkey> mikey|: might try android:fadingEdge="none" to see if you can reproduce the behavior
Dec 14 23:00:32 <jsharkey> *on the ScrollView
Dec 14 23:00:45 <jsharkey> that will get rid of the nice edge, but might solve the leaving-pixels-at-the-bottom issue
Dec 14 23:01:11 <mikey|> omg, finally!
Dec 14 23:01:20 <mikey|> lol, it was that simple >.<
Dec 14 23:01:25 <bparker06> anyone using AT&T?
Dec 14 23:01:29 <bparker06> I can't get data to work
Dec 14 23:01:31 <mikey|> thanks a lot jsharkey
Dec 14 23:01:39 <bparker06> using a dev phone
Dec 14 23:01:48 <jsharkey> mikey|: youve lost the nice fading edge tho  :/  not sure if thats a big deal
Dec 14 23:01:53 <mikey|> naa, looks fine
Dec 14 23:02:06 <mikey|> it doesn't need a fading endge
Dec 14 23:02:09 <mikey|> edge *
Dec 14 23:02:22 <jsharkey> its related to how focus is set in the ScrollView--it tries pushing the focus away from any fading edges
Dec 14 23:02:29 <jsharkey> *cursor focus in this case
Dec 14 23:02:42 <d0nets> nice you guys tried the new android vnc viewer
Dec 14 23:02:49 <jsharkey> i thought textview provided its own scrolling though?
Dec 14 23:03:00 <d0nets> im typing on my g1 through my home ps via vnc over edge
Dec 14 23:03:11 <d0nets> pc
Dec 14 23:03:12 <jsharkey> d0nets: cool  :)
Dec 14 23:03:15 <mikey|> seems not, it would just sit there until I manually scrolled
Dec 14 23:03:30 <mikey|> the docs say it handles it by itself
Dec 14 23:03:33 * mikey| shrugs
Dec 14 23:04:37 <jsharkey> hmm it might only scroll when you set the maxHeight to something
Dec 14 23:05:25 <jsharkey> and might have to use setSelection() if you want it bumped to the bottom of the input
Dec 14 23:05:54 <jsharkey> bparker06: did you have an older phone with data service?
Dec 14 23:06:58 <jsharkey> im using at&t, but my sim card is like 3 years old, and i still have to use my cellularone APN to make data work
Dec 14 23:07:28 <mikey|> anyone seen GWB's ninja moves?
Dec 14 23:07:37 <mikey|> some iraqi chucked a shoe at him
Dec 14 23:07:52 <mikey|> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7782422.stm
Dec 14 23:09:54 <Disconnect> was he clutching a g1?
Dec 14 23:10:02 <mikey|> haha
Dec 14 23:10:05 <anno^da_> Some guys here using the app Missed Call and could tell me about their experience with version 0.3.9. (released today) I'm asking because 70% say it is working perfectly and 30% say it doesnt work at all. :)
Dec 14 23:11:14 <JesusFreke> man, GWB could totally have been on matrix. He has some serious shoe dodging skills :p
Dec 14 23:19:24 <bparker06> jsharkey: I had to get a new sim for the dev phone from at&t before it would even register to the network
Dec 14 23:19:34 <bparker06> so the sim is new
Dec 14 23:19:35 <bparker06> but no data :/
Dec 14 23:19:47 <bparker06> and yes I have a data plan on it
Dec 14 23:20:06 <jsharkey> hmm, and when calling at&t they wont tell you the apn settings you need?
Dec 14 23:24:00 <bparker06> jsharkey: I haven't called at&t because they're going to give me the same settings I tried 50 times already
Dec 14 23:24:07 <bparker06> they just don't work.
Dec 14 23:24:07 <unix_infidel> hmm, that's odd, i have reception but no data.
Dec 14 23:24:13 <bparker06> unix_infidel: same
Dec 14 23:24:15 <jsharkey> hmm
Dec 14 23:24:19 <bparker06> I can only make/receive calls
Dec 14 23:24:28 <SanMehat> bparker06: incorrect APN setting?
Dec 14 23:24:32 <Disconnect> bparker06: remove any mms settings and just use the data apn
Dec 14 23:24:37 <Disconnect> as the only one in the phone
Dec 14 23:24:40 <unix_infidel> bparker06: just happened right now.
Dec 14 23:24:45 <bparker06> trust me I know what the APN settings are.
Dec 14 23:24:48 <bparker06> they just don't work
Dec 14 23:24:51 <SanMehat> okedome.
Dec 14 23:24:54 <bparker06> Disconnect: tried that
Dec 14 23:25:23 <bparker06> I guess I need some way to debug it
Dec 14 23:25:27 <bparker06> cause something ain't right.
Dec 14 23:25:55 <jsharkey> bparker06: did you try it without an apn password?
Dec 14 23:26:10 <bparker06> yep
Dec 14 23:26:11 <bparker06> \
Dec 14 23:26:13 <bparker06> and no username
Dec 14 23:26:14 <SanMehat> bparker06: adb logcat radio
Dec 14 23:26:15 <bparker06> I tried everything
Dec 14 23:26:33 <SanMehat> that will show you the radio log
Dec 14 23:26:41 <SanMehat> and everything going into setting up the data connection
Dec 14 23:26:45 <jsharkey> im using APN=cellular1wap, username=cellularone on mine on at&t network
Dec 14 23:26:55 <jsharkey> cuz thats what came over from my old nokia phone
Dec 14 23:28:27 <nostferka> When you run an app on the emulator do you have to wait for it to boot each time?
Dec 14 23:28:33 <nostferka> Every time you make a code adjustment
Dec 14 23:28:34 <JesusFreke> SanMehat, quick Q: I have a friend who has a dev phone, but it won't boot, it stays stuck on the initial android screen (not the animated one). We've tried re-flashing the recovery and boot partitions from fastboot, and also tried using the boot command with a known-good  kernel and ramdisk. nothing seems to work. any ideas?
Dec 14 23:29:08 <jsharkey> nostferka: you should be able to keep the emulator open without rebooting it
Dec 14 23:29:33 <nostferka> Yeah, I can but do you have to restart it every time you wanna 'refresh' the app
Dec 14 23:30:07 <jsharkey> when you say refresh, do you mean re-run it from eclipse?  eclipse should know how to install the updated version without restarting the emulator
Dec 14 23:30:21 <nostferka> Ok
Dec 14 23:30:39 <nostferka> Well if I wanted to alter something in the code...I wouldn't need to reboot the whole emulator?
Dec 14 23:31:11 <eldenz> no
Dec 14 23:31:12 <JesusFreke> SanMehat: I suspect a full nhb re-flash might solve the problem. Are the nbh signing keys in the dev bootloader available? Or are they private?
Dec 14 23:32:07 <mikey|> is there any way to show a progress dialog with a translucent background?
Dec 14 23:32:42 <eldenz> aren't the progressbar samples translucent?
Dec 14 23:33:33 <eldenz> -bar
Dec 14 23:34:00 * mikey| checks
Dec 14 23:34:23 <eldenz> i mean the dialog, big rotating circle on left and message on the right..
Dec 14 23:34:31 <SanMehat> JesusFreke: sec.. i just got back
Dec 14 23:35:08 <JesusFreke> SanMehat: no problem. just whenever you get a spare moment is fine :)
Dec 14 23:35:28 <SanMehat> JesusFreke: hnmm.. without the serial console its hard to say whats going on
Dec 14 23:35:46 <SanMehat> JesusFreke: and I do not have the keys for the eng bootloader. sorry
Dec 14 23:36:04 <JesusFreke> SanMehat: yeah, I didn't really think so. but it was worth a shot
Dec 14 23:36:22 <SanMehat> JesusFreke: was he messing with the bootloader?
Dec 14 23:37:35 <JesusFreke> SanMehat: no. but he did an update.zip flash (a modified one, based on the G1's RC30). Apparently it booted fine after the flash, but had some crashing issues, so he rebooted, and was going to try to wipe in recovery, but it wouldn't boot back up
Dec 14 23:38:27 <JesusFreke> SanMehat: also, I have installed the same update he used on my dev phone, and it's working fine
Dec 14 23:38:31 <SanMehat> did the update.zip flash contain a new bootloader?
Dec 14 23:38:39 <JesusFreke> SanMehat: no
Dec 14 23:38:46 <SanMehat> hmm.
Dec 14 23:38:51 <JesusFreke> SanMehat: boot, recovery, radio and system
Dec 14 23:38:59 <SanMehat> well he did then
Dec 14 23:39:09 <SanMehat> radio includes everything
Dec 14 23:39:44 <JesusFreke> SanMehat: are you sure? It's the radio.img from the RC30. I installed it also.. but I still have the dev bootloader
Dec 14 23:39:56 <SanMehat> oh not that bootloader
Dec 14 23:40:06 <SanMehat> it replaces the primary and oem bootloaders
Dec 14 23:40:31 <SanMehat> honestly.. probably wasn't a good idea to flash a different radio..
Dec 14 23:40:44 <JesusFreke> agreed. heh
Dec 14 23:40:59 <SanMehat> without the serial port debug output i can't really say whats going on now.
Dec 14 23:41:08 <JesusFreke> *nod*
Dec 14 23:41:20 <JesusFreke> thanks anyways :)
Dec 14 23:41:25 <SanMehat> no problem.
Dec 14 23:57:17 <ITechJun1ie> Will someone explain View and ViewGroups to me? I'm looking at the Google Documentation for it but it's just not clicking.
Dec 14 23:58:21 <mikey|> a viewgroup contains other views
Dec 14 23:59:04 <mikey|> e.g. LinearLayout contains TableLayout, radioGroup, etc
Dec 14 23:59:05 <ITechJunkie> right, but what is a view? Is it like a screen layout for the widgets?
Dec 14 23:59:13 <mikey|> yeah
Dec 14 23:59:33 <ITechJunkie> okay, so ViewGroups aren't actually visible?
Dec 15 00:00:02 <mikey|> the child views extend them so they sort of are
Dec 15 00:00:26 <ITechJunkie> okay, so it's the polymorphism that i'm not getting
Dec 15 00:00:33 <ITechJunkie> ?
Dec 15 00:02:06 <ITechJunkie> Oh wait... I think i'm getting it.
Dec 15 00:02:27 <mikey|> the child views just extend the viewgroup
Dec 15 00:03:13 <mikey|> look at http://min.ie/xr and http://min.ie/xq
Dec 15 00:06:04 <ITechJunkie> mikey|: okay, I get it now. Thanks :)
Dec 15 00:06:09 <mikey|> np
Dec 15 00:09:48 <`krstnsn> wow
Dec 15 00:09:56 <`krstnsn> i just opened an app
Dec 15 00:10:05 <`krstnsn> the person stores info on thier siad
Dec 15 00:10:12 <`krstnsn> and it just pulled someone else info
Dec 15 00:10:30 <`krstnsn> like personal info
Dec 15 00:10:31 <mikey|> siad?
Dec 15 00:10:33 <`krstnsn> addresses and shit
Dec 15 00:10:36 <`krstnsn> side
Dec 15 00:10:38 <`krstnsn> sorry
Dec 15 00:10:43 <mikey|> ah
Dec 15 00:11:54 <DarkriftX> whats the app name?
Dec 15 00:13:28 <nyt> http://androidirc.googlecode.com/files/irc-beta-2008121401.apk
Dec 15 00:13:29 <nyt> moar fixes
Dec 15 00:14:09 <DarkriftX> nice
Dec 15 00:14:21 <DarkriftX> can your irc client open links from irc?
Dec 15 00:16:17 <DarkriftX> thats a long ass url lol
Dec 15 00:16:45 <`krstnsn> nice yt
Dec 15 00:16:46 <`krstnsn> nyt
Dec 15 00:16:52 <cmonex> [00:40:37] <@SanMehat> honestly.. probably wasn't a good idea to flash a different radio..
Dec 15 00:16:54 <`krstnsn> im trying to get that shit for you
Dec 15 00:16:59 <cmonex> ive yet to see a "different" radio version
Dec 15 00:17:12 <cmonex> all of them are 1.22whatever
Dec 15 00:20:33 <cmonex> yifanzhang_ -> you there?
Dec 15 00:22:11 <DarkriftX> nyt: the command on join, should /join #channel <pass> work?
Dec 15 00:22:28 <DarkriftX> (was trying to figure a way to join a passworded channel with it, and it looked like it would but didnt
Dec 15 00:23:37 <yifanzhang_> cmonex:yes
Dec 15 00:25:28 <cmonex> yifanzhang_: so what happened to your g1?
Dec 15 00:26:12 <yifanzhang_> i tried flashing to the modded rc30
Dec 15 00:26:26 <yifanzhang_> worked at first, then i tried to reboot
Dec 15 00:26:29 <Disconnect> using update.zip from modified recovery?
Dec 15 00:27:00 <yifanzhang_> it just hangs at the android screen
Dec 15 00:27:07 <yifanzhang_> the first one, i have a dev phone
Dec 15 00:34:51 <nyt> hm it should
Dec 15 00:34:53 <nyt> let me test
Dec 15 00:35:14 <steventroughtons> quick question -> what dependencies does adb have? If I were to compile a new buildroot for use on other Linux devices
Dec 15 00:35:31 <steventroughtons> (if I wanted to add adbd or whatever it is)
Dec 15 00:36:11 <nyt> DarkriftX: i just +k'd a channel, and /j #channel key
Dec 15 00:36:13 <nyt> and it worked
Dec 15 00:36:18 <nyt> if youre not seeing it work let me know what network its on
Dec 15 00:36:19 <nyt> so i can test
Dec 15 00:36:45 <DarkriftX> but does it work in the onjoin command part
Dec 15 00:36:51 <DarkriftX> it didnt, but i saw no error
Dec 15 00:36:55 <DarkriftX> and this network
Dec 15 00:37:12 <nyt> it should work
Dec 15 00:37:15 <nyt> it runs the commands just as theyre typed
Dec 15 00:37:20 <nyt> make sure you specify /join #channel key
Dec 15 00:51:59 <AndIrc> quit
Dec 15 00:54:32 <tomgibara> nyt: seems to work but as you can see above, the app kept automatically joining me everytime I /quit
Dec 15 00:55:15 <Disconnect> ok google analytics is cool.
Dec 15 00:55:30 <Disconnect> but who is in niagara falls, canadia? :)
Dec 15 00:55:51 <Disconnect> (one hit only)
Dec 15 00:59:42 <nyt> quit isnt programmed in yet
Dec 15 01:00:00 <nyt> hit menu -> discon to quit, or close
Dec 15 01:10:56 <thora> Hello: do I need to break out of jail to get access to raw memory in android/G1?
Dec 15 01:12:03 <JesusFreke> how did you get a G1 if you're in jail? :D
Dec 15 01:12:42 <JesusFreke> sorry, couldn't resist :p
Dec 15 01:13:09 <JesusFreke> but yes, you'll need root access, and probably need to install one of saurik's kernel, that enables /dev/mem and /dev/kmem
Dec 15 01:13:11 <thora> JesusFreke:  Good point :)
Dec 15 01:13:33 <thora> JesusFreke:  ah. ok. Thanks
Dec 15 01:13:42 <JesusFreke> hopefully you don't have RC30, do you?
Dec 15 01:14:10 <thora> JesusFreke:  I'm in Europe, so no access to a device yet. Just doing some research
Dec 15 01:14:47 <thora> JesusFreke:  What about flash memory? Same deal?
Dec 15 01:15:48 <thora> JesusFreke:  With flash I mean memory that is not necessarily a resource in my app
Dec 15 01:17:03 <JesusFreke> well, your app can write to an app specific folder in the /data partition, which is on flash
Dec 15 01:17:11 <JesusFreke> but to have full access, you'll definitely need root access
Dec 15 01:17:31 <JesusFreke> and keep in mind that you can't get root access with the most recent version that is shipping
Dec 15 01:17:38 <JesusFreke> (RC8 in europe, and RC30 in the US)
Dec 15 01:18:31 <JesusFreke> if you want to be sure to be able to get root access, you'll want to get a developer phone instead
Dec 15 01:18:49 <JesusFreke> it's about the same price as a G1, although shipping outside of the US is pretty steep
Dec 15 01:20:45 <thora> JesusFreke:  ok. Thanks for the info. I guess this rules out native apps doing e.g. a global scan for viruses then...
Dec 15 01:21:07 <JesusFreke> thora, yeah: almost definitely, at least on a G1
Dec 15 01:21:19 <JesusFreke> non-rooted G1, I mean
Dec 15 01:21:37 <eldenz> thora, i.e. you are free to wrote your virii then : )
Dec 15 01:21:43 <JesusFreke> lol :)
Dec 15 01:21:43 <eldenz> write
Dec 15 01:21:46 <eldenz> ^^
Dec 15 01:21:55 <Damm> i'm sure eventually symantec will sue google to open it up
Dec 15 01:22:00 <Damm> so they can write a antivirus scanner
Dec 15 01:22:03 <JesusFreke> lol :)
Dec 15 01:22:14 <JesusFreke> that would actually be funny
Dec 15 01:22:41 <thora> JesusFreke:   Sounds like this must be addressed at some poiint? Like opening up an API for licensed developers (like e.g. Symantec)
Dec 15 01:23:05 <JesusFreke> thora: dunno. You would have to talk to the google guys about that :)
Dec 15 01:23:30 <thora> JesusFreke:  right. I'm just thinking aloud (sort of:-))
Dec 15 01:23:40 <Damm> imo you should not be able to force someone to make your OS insecure so someone can write software to 'secure' it.
Dec 15 01:23:55 <snadge> im doing some work today.. way as well
Dec 15 01:24:06 <snadge> im sick of playing with my g1 now :P
Dec 15 01:24:27 <JesusFreke> damm, my thoughts exactly. lol
Dec 15 01:26:37 <Damm> although they did it with vista
Dec 15 01:34:08 <DarkriftX> vista was secure?
Dec 15 01:36:33 <JesusFreke> of course it was secure! isn't that what UAC was all about? :D
Dec 15 01:36:44 * JesusFreke laughs
Dec 15 01:40:31 <eldenz> love that music clip http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsk9c1xoaMU
Dec 15 01:41:47 <SanMehat> lol at virus scanning
Dec 15 01:42:18 <unix_infidel> ?
Dec 15 01:46:31 <SanMehat> nm
Dec 15 02:04:45 <bgupta_> Hey I am looking for an extended battery, and in the process decided to update the Android FAQ. Is this the most up to date info: http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Android_FAQ#Q:_Are_there_any_extended_batteries_available_for_the_G1.3F
Dec 15 02:12:51 <bparker06> SanMehat: around?
Dec 15 02:13:07 <bparker06> I pasted my radio log... maybe it can tell you what's wrong with my data connection
Dec 15 02:13:13 <bparker06> http://pastebin.ca/1285614
Dec 15 02:13:17 <bparker06> makes no sense to me though
Dec 15 02:13:24 <bparker06> I don't ever see it trying to dial at all
Dec 15 02:17:24 <bbs> is there a way to reassociate the phone with another gmail address once its initialized
Dec 15 02:18:17 <Leeds> only by doing a factory reset
Dec 15 02:18:39 <SanMehat> bparker06: yo i'm here
Dec 15 02:18:44 <SanMehat> bparker06: sec let me look
Dec 15 02:19:46 <SanMehat> my god pastebin is slow
Dec 15 02:20:34 <Leeds> there are lots of other pastebins
Dec 15 02:21:00 <bgupta_> Finally got my ADP1 yesterday!
Dec 15 02:21:18 <Leeds> http://paste.pocoo.org/ for example
Dec 15 02:22:21 <ttuttle> bgupta_: Congrats!
Dec 15 02:22:22 <ttuttle> SanMehat: yo
Dec 15 02:22:27 <bbs> Leeds: are you serious
Dec 15 02:22:30 <bbs> thats so silly
Dec 15 02:22:33 <Leeds> bbs: yes, I'm serious
Dec 15 02:22:49 <bbs> Leeds: is there a way to back everything up?
Dec 15 02:22:49 <SanMehat> ttuttle: yo
Dec 15 02:22:51 <bbs> i just got the machine
Dec 15 02:22:58 <bbs> s/machine/device
Dec 15 02:23:04 <ttuttle> SanMehat: How's it going?
Dec 15 02:23:05 <Leeds> if you just got it, what do you have to lose? :-)
Dec 15 02:23:18 <bgupta_> ttutle: Thanks!
Dec 15 02:23:21 <bbs> Leeds: well i have some nice apps that i like and i just got finished setting it up how i like
Dec 15 02:23:35 <bbs> is there a way to retain setting w/o retaining google stuff?
Dec 15 02:23:37 <Leeds> bbs: then why do you need to change google account?
Dec 15 02:23:54 <SanMehat> ttuttle: good.
Dec 15 02:23:57 <bbs> because i just set up my domain with google apps so i could use it with the phone
Dec 15 02:24:00 <bbs> :)
Dec 15 02:24:06 <ttuttle> SanMehat: cool
Dec 15 02:24:16 <Leeds> oops... got it in the wrong order then...
Dec 15 02:24:23 <jsharkey> aww bparker06 i dont see your phone # in that pastebin so i cant prank call you  :P
Dec 15 02:24:33 <ttuttle> jsharkey: lol
Dec 15 02:24:36 <bbs> Leeds: ok so you *are* saying there is no backup method...
Dec 15 02:25:05 <Leeds> bbs: in practice, no... you will need to factory reset then reset up
Dec 15 02:25:17 <bgupta_> SanMeHat: Any chance we can put this FAQ in the channel banner?  http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Android_FAQ (Or is it only official links).
Dec 15 02:25:21 <bbs> Leeds: ok thanks
Dec 15 02:29:47 <bparker06> SanMehat: any ideas?
Dec 15 02:31:51 <KNY> interesting; I never knew that the G1 wouldn't support voip
Dec 15 02:31:58 <RyeBrye> I don't seeewhy this would be only an official links channe... it's not like Google owns Freenode.net
Dec 15 02:32:54 <summatusmentis> that's not really how it works
Dec 15 02:32:55 <SanMehat> bparker06: hmm... no sorry man
Dec 15 02:33:00 <summatusmentis> I assume Google runs this channel
Dec 15 02:33:06 <bparker06> grr I hate having no data :/
Dec 15 02:33:18 <SanMehat> bparker06: try posting on the group
Dec 15 02:33:19 <jsharkey> RyeBrye: visitors might consider links in the topic to be approved by google
Dec 15 02:33:44 <RyeBrye> jsharkey: visitors might also think I'm Santa Claus
Dec 15 02:33:46 <jsharkey> which isnt an issue for google-controlled web properties
Dec 15 02:33:48 <bparker06> the group has never responded to any threads/comments I make
Dec 15 02:34:52 <RyeBrye> If a visitor assumes anything on IRC is "official" that visitor probably just escaped from a mental institution
Dec 15 02:35:10 <jasta> that was a fun weekend :)
Dec 15 02:35:25 <ismarc> RyeBrye: officialness in IRC is the same as women on the internet...neither one really exists
Dec 15 02:35:35 <RyeBrye> Probably true
Dec 15 02:36:09 <jsharkey> hmm true, i just looked and i didnt see this channel mentioned on the site--i thought it was
Dec 15 02:36:32 <RyeBrye> Yeah, I dont think it is because.... I don't think it's official :P
Dec 15 02:36:36 <jsharkey> oh it is mentioned on http://source.android.com/discuss
Dec 15 02:36:39 <RyeBrye> :)
Dec 15 02:36:44 <RyeBrye> oh, ok
Dec 15 02:37:23 <jsharkey> although that page is probaly more-correct because its a community effort
Dec 15 02:37:52 <jsharkey> but there is always issues with -t  ;)
Dec 15 02:38:22 <bgupta_> It could say "Totally unofficial Android FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/696oph"
Dec 15 02:39:02 <bgupta_> The thing with FAQs is the more people use it the better it will get. (Hopefully).. so far it seems I am basically the only person editing it for the most part.
Dec 15 02:42:34 <SanMehat> jasta: yeah man thanks for blowing me off
Dec 15 02:43:18 <bgupta_> SanMehat: Any chance we can put this FAQ in the channel banner?  http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Android_FAQ (Or is it only official Android sponsored links?)
Dec 15 02:43:50 <bgupta_> SanMehat: It could say "Totally unofficial Android FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/696oph"
Dec 15 02:43:51 <SanMehat> bgupta_: yes, its only official Android links
Dec 15 02:44:04 <bgupta_> bah humbug. :)
Dec 15 02:46:05 <jasta> SanMehat: dude not at all.  my friends gf broke her wrist and we were at the hospitol from like 3 to 8
Dec 15 02:46:28 <jasta> and at that point i was supposed to meet phil in the city so i had to just go
Dec 15 02:47:12 <jsharkey> aw thats right, jasta were you down here this weekend?
Dec 15 02:47:23 <jasta> i mean my friend who i was staying with.  could really just peace out when his gf was in the er
Dec 15 02:47:29 <jasta> yeah
Dec 15 02:48:35 <jasta> couldnt*
Dec 15 02:50:30 <jasta> it was still fun tho, i just didnt ahve any time to see the city
Dec 15 02:51:34 <jasta> i talked my buddy into interviewing with tmob and possibly moving back to seattle :)
Dec 15 02:51:54 <_zippy> ;)
Dec 15 02:53:24 <JesusFreke> ack. drive-by winking
Dec 15 02:53:37 <jsharkey> lul
Dec 15 02:55:04 <ITechJunkie> is PhoneFusion supposed to shoot me a text message every time I get a new voice mail?
Dec 15 02:57:04 <Krstnsn`> ya
Dec 15 02:57:10 <Krstnsn`> thats why i dont use it
Dec 15 02:57:16 <Krstnsn`> thats annoying
Dec 15 02:57:21 <ITechJunkie> jeez no kidding
Dec 15 02:57:43 <jasta> i cant wait for youmail to make an android app.
Dec 15 02:57:55 <ITechJunkie> what is the point? to send some sort of notification to the program?
Dec 15 02:59:16 <unix_infidel> ITechJunkie: are they running their own SMS server or are they just sending emails to your number?
Dec 15 02:59:22 <bob_> hi.  My phone doesnt act as a USB Hard drive.  In the settings menu for the SD card, I dont see an option to tell it to change.   What am I missing (besides a brain?)
Dec 15 02:59:40 <zinx> bob_: the notification
Dec 15 02:59:47 <JesusFreke> bob, when you plug in the phone, you should get a notification thing
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