**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 27 05:37:20 2009 Jan 27 05:57:31 --> http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/t/7621a7543742e28d Jan 27 05:59:08 :/ Jan 27 05:59:19 default e-mail client sends 2-3 e-mails when I only send 1 on the device. Jan 27 05:59:20 bar \: Jan 27 05:59:40 * foo smacks DarkriftX Jan 27 05:59:41 :) Jan 27 06:02:13 Any ideas on how I could fix that? maybe I'll try pop instead of imap Jan 27 06:02:44 * beefsalad stabs foo Jan 27 06:03:26 woah, chat's back up Jan 27 06:03:27 awesome Jan 27 06:03:43 * TommyBres smacks foo for frontin Jan 27 06:03:49 dont front on me bitch! Jan 27 06:04:27 what's up everyone Jan 27 06:05:32 k, chat's dead. lame Jan 27 06:05:45 I'm workin, you expect me to be exciting? Jan 27 06:06:50 yes Jan 27 06:06:52 chose a nick and stick with it Jan 27 06:06:54 excite me baby :-* Jan 27 06:06:54 * foo pokes beefsalad Jan 27 06:07:01 I dont swing that way Jan 27 06:10:29 your name is beef salad Jan 27 06:10:36 you obviously like big meat Jan 27 06:11:18 hehe, you said big meat Jan 27 06:11:22 lol Jan 27 06:11:23 Dralspire: knock it off! Jan 27 06:11:32 * TommyBres has a giant penis Jan 27 06:11:38 i doubt he is doing it on purpose Jan 27 06:11:46 probablyt doesnt have an auto identify script or something Jan 27 06:12:02 freenode.org Jan 27 06:12:03 its not that hard to turn protection off ;) Jan 27 06:12:48 protection = overrated, my girlfriend doesn't like the way it feels Jan 27 06:13:00 really? whats his name? Jan 27 06:13:11 beefsalad Jan 27 06:13:15 oh wait no, that's my bitch Jan 27 06:13:19 my girlfriend's name isn't important Jan 27 06:34:33 tmobile is filtering ports now ? Jan 27 06:34:40 eh? Jan 27 06:34:58 u cant irc anymore from g3 Jan 27 06:35:06 gayness Jan 27 06:37:42 I've gotta test that theory Jan 27 06:38:15 alpinestarless: your crazy, I can telnet irc.freenode.net 6667 just fine over 3g Jan 27 06:39:44 hmm Jan 27 06:39:47 I can't Jan 27 06:39:57 waiting on irssi to install now, then I'll show ya ;) Jan 27 06:40:16 :o Jan 27 06:40:38 i never got fIRC working for me Jan 27 06:40:39 you ride? Jan 27 06:40:51 refuses to connect even over wifi Jan 27 06:41:11 I do Jan 27 06:41:17 whats your ride? Jan 27 06:41:17 r1 07 Jan 27 06:41:19 nice Jan 27 06:41:25 :) Jan 27 06:41:28 u ? Jan 27 06:41:36 919 04 Jan 27 06:41:41 nice Jan 27 06:42:18 I have 929 for stunts Jan 27 06:42:23 with big sprocket in the back Jan 27 06:42:28 street fighter Jan 27 06:42:38 i have a huffy Jan 27 06:42:41 10 speed, bitch Jan 27 06:43:12 your g1 can handle that ? Jan 27 06:43:40 huh? Jan 27 06:45:15 alpinestarless: ^^^ irssi + debian + g1 + 3g = shit Jan 27 06:46:05 yup Jan 27 06:48:17 beefsalad: why? Jan 27 06:49:27 tmzt: its trying to forceclose terminal emulator for some reason, when you do anything in irssi it outputs the 'output' many many many times (as in it fills the screen) Jan 27 06:49:58 what $TERM ? Jan 27 06:51:14 echo $TERM returns nodda...otherwise whatever was on the market heh Jan 27 06:51:39 try TERM=vt100 Jan 27 06:54:59 this is muuuuch better, thanks tmzt! Jan 27 06:56:52 sup fellas Jan 27 06:57:04 yo Jan 27 06:57:18 beefsalad: export TERM=vt100 Jan 27 06:57:51 morning Jan 27 06:58:53 its 11pm cliffstah Jan 27 07:00:31 it's 7am here mate :-) Jan 27 07:00:45 lol Jan 27 07:00:46 ur clock and sun are wrong Jan 27 07:00:48 where you at cliff? Jan 27 07:00:50 haha. Jan 27 07:00:53 England Jan 27 07:01:04 oh yeah, jazz is west coast Jan 27 07:01:10 acdjazz: newsflash, timezone starts here :-P Jan 27 07:01:18 i was gonna say, 11pm here isn't 7 in england, but it's 2 am here :-P Jan 27 07:01:27 where are you at? Jan 27 07:01:31 cliffstah, newsflash, the sun never sets on the british empire Jan 27 07:01:34 KS is my other home Jan 27 07:01:36 OH WAIT, that was back when britain meant something Jan 27 07:01:38 haha. true, true. Jan 27 07:01:41 BURRRRNNNNN Jan 27 07:01:46 i'm in new york city Jan 27 07:01:52 cliffstah: touche Jan 27 07:01:58 ah nice, been near, not in.. made it as far as newark Jan 27 07:02:01 layover flight Jan 27 07:02:01 kansas? Jan 27 07:02:06 aye, where my lady is from Jan 27 07:02:13 wth, did you try to pick the worst place in the US so you can make fun of it? Jan 27 07:02:15 PST is the best time for the planet, everyone should obey PST Jan 27 07:02:20 LOL Jan 27 07:02:30 oh dear, you better hope she doesn't read over my shoulder Jan 27 07:02:36 hahaha Jan 27 07:02:39 she's tired and not to be trifled with Jan 27 07:02:49 dude, i'm sorry, kansas is one of those states i'd never even visit, no less live Jan 27 07:02:52 does say she 'this isnt kansas anymore' alot? Jan 27 07:02:59 haha Jan 27 07:03:20 uh oh, here she comes.. Jan 27 07:03:34 any state i once saw a stand-up comedian talking about states that are square, rectangular or close to it Jan 27 07:03:42 and how if you're in a square state, you're generally in the wrong place Jan 27 07:03:47 the more squiggly lines the more popular a state is Jan 27 07:03:54 you saw dimitri martin Jan 27 07:03:56 neglect "any state", that was meant to be deleted Jan 27 07:04:03 was it demetri martin? Jan 27 07:04:12 the less sides a state has the less you want to go there Jan 27 07:04:20 http://www.jokes.com/funny/demetri+martin/demetri-martin--state-shapes Jan 27 07:04:22 there we go Jan 27 07:04:26 yup Jan 27 07:04:38 wait wth, that's not a video Jan 27 07:04:40 google fails Jan 27 07:04:57 http://comedians.comedycentral.com/demetri-martin/videos/demetri-martin---findings Jan 27 07:04:59 THERE we go Jan 27 07:05:09 either of you guys on a mac? Jan 27 07:06:01 negative Jan 27 07:06:10 i kinda despise apple just a little bit :) Jan 27 07:06:16 I'm having a rather fundamental issue with (apparently) droiddoc and javac (any JDK, doesn't seem to matter).. javac segfaults each and every time I 'make' in the android root Jan 27 07:06:36 I also seem to be the only person on the internets with this problem Jan 27 07:06:52 sorry, didn't mean to poke fun at your last president, kinda slipped in there ;-) Jan 27 07:07:28 hmm Jan 27 07:07:30 I have tried /everything/.. I was hoping one of you guys could help Jan 27 07:07:34 LOL i missed the bush joke Jan 27 07:07:40 but trust me, we hate him more than you do Jan 27 07:07:49 like, you get to laugh at him Jan 27 07:07:58 I know, I know, believe me I hear about it ;-) Jan 27 07:08:19 you see him on tv saying "i guess i could've handled katrina better, but what do you want me to do, land air force one in baton rouge? then everyone would be complaining that the police force there would be used to protect me and not save people" Jan 27 07:08:30 and you chuckle, because you're like, haha, those guys are fucked Jan 27 07:08:36 hahah Jan 27 07:08:38 well... i'm one of the aforementioned fucked guys Jan 27 07:09:11 at least there's light at the end of your proverbial tunnel Jan 27 07:09:19 my president having an IQ of 35 and a yale degree is embarrassing to me, but seeing him on television saying those things just makes me want to die Jan 27 07:09:41 athena is sitting here in full agreement Jan 27 07:09:43 yes, well, the bush regime is over, let's just hope the obama administration can unfuck the proverbial asshole of the world Jan 27 07:10:07 I'm hopeful, I've yet to taste the air in the USA so to speak Jan 27 07:10:15 not really sure how people feel in general Jan 27 07:10:31 lol Jan 27 07:10:35 Im sure there are a fair number of skeptics Jan 27 07:10:41 well, there are 3 types of people that aren't a fan of obama here Jan 27 07:10:47 1) hardcore conservatives Jan 27 07:10:48 2) racists Jan 27 07:10:51 3) nutjobs Jan 27 07:11:12 which unfortunately is a fair proportion of your population :-P Jan 27 07:11:18 wow, who stuck a quarter in your slot? Jan 27 07:11:24 (don't worry, you're not the only ones :-P) Jan 27 07:11:39 we're heading for a conservative government again I'm sure Jan 27 07:11:41 lol Jan 27 07:11:51 I do hope not, but we're in a recession, and people here tend to flip sides when it happens Jan 27 07:11:56 well, this sounds messed up, but i'm actually glad that bush messed up so badly Jan 27 07:12:07 i'm hardcore left wing, just about as liberal as it gets, revolutionary some might say ;-) Jan 27 07:12:21 TommyBres: or as Europeans might call you, center-left Jan 27 07:12:31 hahah nooo i'm far from center, trust me Jan 27 07:12:42 i know what you mean, and i'm not Jan 27 07:13:14 as phil ochs once said... "in an american community there are varying shades of opinions, the shadiest of which are the liberals... 10 degrees to the left in good times, and 10 degrees to the right when it affects them personally" Jan 27 07:13:47 go download that song, "love me i'm a liberal" is what it's called Jan 27 07:13:55 lol Jan 27 07:14:17 let's see if youtube is our friend today Jan 27 07:14:30 but whatever the case, i think bush has given our nation such a horrible view of conservatism and republican ideals that we'll see much more support for liberalism in the near future Jan 27 07:14:31 yes, yes it is Jan 27 07:14:51 and that makes me happy, i think most people are finally ready to move on after the 8 years of hell Jan 27 07:14:57 peace... I came here to talk about android, not politics Jan 27 07:15:09 lol xtort is crying because this is over his head Jan 27 07:15:22 I DON'T KNOW WHAT REPUBLICAN IDEALS MEANS!!!11!!1!!ONE Jan 27 07:15:23 meh, it's a minor distraction for a few minutes Jan 27 07:15:30 there was nothing else going on here lol Jan 27 07:15:53 exactly, if it's a choice between dead or politics, i'd rather speak... if anything android-related is being asked, i'll switch to that topic Jan 27 07:16:32 I wonder... if I've missed it... or if there are any consensus 'must-have' apps yet - or if it'll come after paid apps appear Jan 27 07:16:43 * Leeds -> subject-change Jan 27 07:17:21 leeds, i have many apps that i use all the time Jan 27 07:17:25 i have like 70 in total Jan 27 07:17:45 that wasn't what I meant Jan 27 07:17:50 TommyBres: quite :-) Jan 27 07:18:02 and cliffstah, i couldnt find the original on youtube, just 50 remakes Jan 27 07:18:09 I found someone else singing it Jan 27 07:18:11 do you have a messenger? Jan 27 07:18:20 more like "if I buy a G1 today, what apps should I have installed by tomorrow" Jan 27 07:18:31 google chat, obviously ;-) Jan 27 07:18:39 k what's your email Jan 27 07:18:50 Leeds.. shopsavvy Jan 27 07:19:19 cliffstah: which I haven't bothered even looking at because I assume it's US-only? Jan 27 07:19:23 nope Jan 27 07:19:27 ;-) Jan 27 07:19:29 UK too, and works great Jan 27 07:19:33 also... Jan 27 07:19:45 i think that Rah restuarant program is awesome Jan 27 07:19:58 finds restaurants near you with full ratings and reviews, and gives it a percentage like rotten tomatoes Jan 27 07:20:14 ok... I assume none of the location-based things will work usefully in Hong Kong - better? :-) Jan 27 07:21:29 another great one, Bartender Jan 27 07:21:36 has a list of tons of alcoholic drinks, how to make and serve them Jan 27 07:21:54 i turn 21 in 9 days so that'll be useful to me (go ahead guys, make fun of our country for having a drinking age of 21) Jan 27 07:22:04 Wikitude is great too Jan 27 07:22:25 Xtremelabs Speedtest I find useful Jan 27 07:22:28 LOL leeds Jan 27 07:22:30 how about Jan 27 07:22:34 Chinese Restaurant Jan 27 07:22:38 finds chinese restaurants near you! :) Jan 27 07:23:06 I *really* don't need an app for that :-D I doubt I'm ever more than a block away from a chinese restaurant anywhere in HK Jan 27 07:23:22 hahaha Jan 27 07:23:24 but speedtest - thanks for the reminder Jan 27 07:23:32 well technically every restaurant there is chinese :-P Jan 27 07:23:35 being that you're in china Jan 27 07:23:39 erm, no Jan 27 07:23:47 ... Jan 27 07:24:06 is every restaurant in the US American? Jan 27 07:24:11 yes Jan 27 07:24:14 chinese-american Jan 27 07:24:16 italian-american Jan 27 07:24:22 american-american Jan 27 07:24:25 HUGE difference from being in a restaurant and getting food in that nation Jan 27 07:24:26 ha ha Jan 27 07:24:36 lol, americanzzzzoooo Jan 27 07:24:46 inflation master is a cool app btw Jan 27 07:24:54 ConnectBot rocks too Jan 27 07:24:58 so if I, being English - and in no way 'English-Chinese' opened an English cusine restaurant in Hong Kong, you'd say it was a Chinese restaurant? Jan 27 07:24:59 you enter a value and a year, and it tells you what that value would be by today's standards Jan 27 07:25:20 is there such thing as english food? Jan 27 07:25:26 what's that, fish and chips? you don't have much of a cuisine :-p Jan 27 07:25:28 fish'n'chips Jan 27 07:25:31 i'd call it "boring" food Jan 27 07:25:33 but that's me Jan 27 07:25:44 yeah, that's you :-P Jan 27 07:25:46 erm... enough of that, thanks Jan 27 07:25:48 my girlfriend has seen the light Jan 27 07:26:11 lol, what light has she seen cliffstah Jan 27 07:26:32 (btw remotedroid is awesome, use the g1 as a mouse/keyboard for any computer over wifi Jan 27 07:26:35 fish'n'chips Jan 27 07:26:50 i'm not saying fish n chips are bad, i'm just saying, that's not much of a cuisine Jan 27 07:27:06 think of chinese food, there's SOOO MUCH that could be classified as "chinese" Jan 27 07:27:31 Every dog has his day... Jan 27 07:27:31 whether it's grease-filled and coated in MSG like in the states, or good authentic chinese food, there are many dishes and ingredients Jan 27 07:27:39 when I think of chinese food, I think of MSG Jan 27 07:27:52 lol exactly beef Jan 27 07:27:53 and then I go eat a teaspoon of it for good measure Jan 27 07:28:01 k i gots to get ready Jan 27 07:28:02 you do know that saying 'Chinese food' is like saying 'European food', I assume? Jan 27 07:28:11 bbl folks Jan 27 07:28:23 k Jan 27 07:28:35 leeds, how could you ever make that comparison Jan 27 07:28:40 china is a nation, europe is a continent Jan 27 07:28:45 every region of China has its own cuisine Jan 27 07:28:54 okay? Jan 27 07:28:59 China is effectively a subcontinent... Jan 27 07:29:00 Leeds: and I love them all :)) Jan 27 07:29:10 and grits, southern fried chicken, and biscuits and gravy aren't different from up here in NYC? Jan 27 07:29:29 romainguy: for some reason, I tend to end up with Cantonese food pretty often ;-) Jan 27 07:29:35 every big nation has separate forms of food based on location, that doesn't mean it's like comparing it to a continent Jan 27 07:29:57 sure it is Jan 27 07:30:02 okay Jan 27 07:30:19 lol i had russian food today Jan 27 07:30:24 China is a lot less homogeneous than the US Jan 27 07:30:30 siberian meat in pelenski Jan 27 07:30:51 you mean Russian-American, right? Jan 27 07:30:59 indeed, but that goes without saying Jan 27 07:31:03 unless i flew to moscow Jan 27 07:31:08 not outside the US it doesn't Jan 27 07:31:19 didn't i say i was in new york city? Jan 27 07:31:31 haha, although, brighton beach might as well be considered russia ;-) Jan 27 07:42:56 wb Jan 27 07:55:43 my god, someone ban this jackass already Jan 27 07:56:15 lol... seriously? Jan 27 07:59:26 beefsalad: I can't read your response, did that work or are you not trying irssi again? Jan 27 08:01:07 tmzt: it worked great, thanks! Jan 27 08:01:22 though I typically ssh to my shell and connect via screen ;) Jan 27 08:01:42 connectbot is less broken I assume Jan 27 08:02:11 I'm still annoyed at it, when connected via screen to irssi, and I switch to say email, and switch back, it jacks the display up Jan 27 08:02:31 the input line is off by like a tabs worth, the status bar isnt redrawn at all, or not completely Jan 27 08:02:51 irssi for android??????????? Jan 27 08:02:55 and AFAIK, it doesnt recognize links (such as putty-tray/nutty) Jan 27 08:03:02 P1ro: if you install debian on it, yes Jan 27 08:03:03 there isn't a program for android like mymobiler yet is there? Jan 27 08:03:04 I usually ctrl-A F Jan 27 08:03:21 that fixes irssi at least if I had another client connected Jan 27 08:03:40 your screen-fu is greater than mine apparently ;) Jan 27 08:03:53 just learning Jan 27 08:04:08 lol @ screen-fu Jan 27 08:04:14 beefsalad o_O debian? Jan 27 08:04:21 what about gentoo ? Jan 27 08:04:38 I found this when I was connecting from my qvga phone, it would cause irssi to reflow long lines Jan 27 08:04:44 P1ro: is there a branch for the arm architecture? Jan 27 08:04:54 let me check Jan 27 08:05:11 debian has two(maybe three), arm and armel Jan 27 08:05:38 anyone here done the rc29 downgrade from ubuntu 8.10? i am curious about something with the sdcard format Jan 27 08:06:04 i had awesome success, downgrade and then upgrade to JF latest Jan 27 08:06:05 reformat it with vfat32 Jan 27 08:06:13 beefsalad there its a ppc one but im not sure Jan 27 08:06:13 http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/where.xml Jan 27 08:06:23 rubyonlinux: so what is your question? Jan 27 08:06:23 ppc != arm Jan 27 08:06:33 except for my sdcard, didn't like having the partition on there. (the guide I read said I needed to use fdisk to set the partition type) Jan 27 08:06:39 so i can just try install on of it Jan 27 08:06:41 dang Jan 27 08:06:48 i still need to do alot of shit wit this Jan 27 08:06:57 i just have two days with the g1 Jan 27 08:07:12 ie, the phone doesn't mount it on boot, now that i formatted directly, it works fine sudo mkdosfs -I -F 32 /dev/sdc Jan 27 08:07:14 rubyonlinux: did you use mkfs after fdisk? Jan 27 08:07:14 debian doesnt really "install" on the g1, it merely sits on top Jan 27 08:07:23 beefsalad i can make a image of my actual g1 Jan 27 08:07:29 so i can just go back Jan 27 08:07:41 rubyonlinux: did you do mkdosfs on the sdcard partition after you made it with fdisk? Jan 27 08:07:53 rubyonlinux: as in... did you put the filesystem on the partition or just make a partition? Jan 27 08:07:54 but for the downgrade etc, it did have the /dev/sdc1 partition on there to work and find the files Jan 27 08:08:18 rubyonlinux: I havent had to change anything on my sdcard after partitioning/formatting it and it works fine Jan 27 08:08:29 do you have a /dev/sdc1 partition? Jan 27 08:08:37 or do you use /dev/sdc directly .. Jan 27 08:08:48 rubyonlinux: what is your question then? how would ubuntu have anything to do with your sdcard interacting with your phone? Jan 27 08:08:54 sdc1 Jan 27 08:09:02 I'm assuming 'right click and format' is a windows thing .. Jan 27 08:09:28 that might not work, mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/sdcXXXXXX if there is nothing on the card Jan 27 08:09:28 lol Jan 27 08:09:31 no X's Jan 27 08:10:03 i c. yeah, my phone wouldn't mount /dev/sdc1 .. (/sdcard was empty, unless i went to console and umount+mount) Jan 27 08:10:37 it has nothing to do with your phone mounting it (in android/linux) Jan 27 08:10:43 you didnt partition the sdcard with it mounted did you? Jan 27 08:11:50 i am mounting it via the phone. (plug in, mount, manually unmount from cmd line, then fdisk or format) Jan 27 08:13:52 anyway was just trying to contribute to the android-dls wiki guide, cause it says "On Linux, create the filesystem using a command like mkdosfs -F 32, and change the partition type using fdisk (partition type b should work). " Jan 27 08:15:18 and my phone wasn't finding the sdcard after both the RC29 downgrade, and after the upgrade to new 30 until i formatted it direct (then apps like Music etc started working again) Jan 27 08:17:10 oh, I thought you were trying to do the nbh flash Jan 27 08:18:18 tmzt, yeah, the flash worked, and i was wondering if it would have worked w/out the creation of the partition on there. Jan 27 08:19:19 I don't know, can't remember what was said Jan 27 08:19:36 I think the superfloppy was the preferred method but that could be wrong Jan 27 08:53:43 hi where is the dns info stored as i can't modify it -> on screen keyboard Jan 27 10:29:24 Hi. Anybody found a good vendor selling the G1 without a contract at a reasonable price? (Germany) Jan 27 10:29:37 dennda, nope Jan 27 10:29:48 tmobile sell it withput contract Jan 27 10:29:56 but i think for 450eur Jan 27 10:30:02 cutmasta: I read that, but I can't find any information on that on their site Jan 27 10:30:26 dennda, just go into one of their t-punkt shops Jan 27 10:30:29 and ask, Jan 27 10:30:41 cutmasta: Ok, I will. There's one nearby Jan 27 10:30:45 but Jan 27 10:30:59 the thing is, you must have some good data plan within your mobile contract Jan 27 10:31:09 without the phone is useless Jan 27 10:31:20 imho Jan 27 10:31:36 dennda, i have an o2 germany sim in my dev phone Jan 27 10:31:50 but i pay around 40 eur for my contract with data plan in it Jan 27 10:31:50 cutmasta: I was thinking of a 1GB contract for 10EUR/month from simyo or something similar Jan 27 10:32:02 dennda, ah, ok Jan 27 10:32:11 1gb should be fine Jan 27 10:32:16 cutmasta: How much did you pay to get the dev phone to germany? Jan 27 10:32:21 puhh Jan 27 10:32:38 my boss ordered it, i think 510eur-540eur Jan 27 10:32:45 incl. taxes and shipping Jan 27 10:32:52 ah ok. so more expensive Jan 27 10:32:55 yes Jan 27 10:32:57 but Jan 27 10:33:04 its a dev phone Jan 27 10:33:05 Does your boss want you to develop for it? Jan 27 10:33:08 Yeah I know Jan 27 10:33:30 not directly, but we always look at new technologies Jan 27 10:33:50 and because i am interested in android since the birth of it Jan 27 10:33:51 i got it Jan 27 10:34:10 and i will develope a litte app Jan 27 10:34:17 to import contacts from our software Jan 27 10:34:42 any android devs for hire in here? Jan 27 10:34:45 cutmasta: Where did you read the 450EUR story? Heise speaks of ~500 Jan 27 10:35:09 read it somewhere Jan 27 10:35:14 but perhaps the info was worng Jan 27 10:35:17 wrong Jan 27 10:35:28 I'll go check their store Jan 27 10:35:29 none? Jan 27 10:35:48 trigatch4: you are way too impatient :-) Jan 27 10:36:06 well... i was up for 34 straight hours Jan 27 10:36:10 got 5 hours of sleep Jan 27 10:36:14 and now have been up 8 hours Jan 27 10:36:30 so... patience is not a virtue for me at the moment Jan 27 10:36:32 hehe sowwy Jan 27 10:41:09 dennda how long do you recommend i maintain patience before i go on another question asking rampage Jan 27 10:41:54 trigatch4: You can always get some rest and come back later when more people are awake :-) Jan 27 10:42:52 im going to bed tonight... but good thought on other people not being up yet... Jan 27 10:43:00 i didnt realize it wasnt even 6am EST yet Jan 27 11:13:16 join #theora Jan 27 11:23:06 How do I get root access on term.apk? Jan 27 11:25:04 su - Jan 27 11:25:29 permission denied Jan 27 11:27:45 which FW are you using? Jan 27 11:28:13 latestd cupcake Jan 27 11:28:24 s/latestd/latest/ Jan 27 11:34:14 can you start telnet possibly? Jan 27 11:34:39 no unfortunately Jan 27 11:39:34 hi has anyone here compiled Android firmware for G1 and re-flashed the G1 using MicroSD card approach? Jan 27 12:34:52 hi all , just bought GOOGLE G1 for fun , anybody here has experience in developing and connecting G1 on linux ? Jan 27 12:35:27 'connecting g1 on linux'? Jan 27 12:35:37 awake? Jan 27 12:36:36 ghosTM55: what do you wanna do? Jan 27 12:36:42 coping files on it? Jan 27 12:37:45 plug in usb Jan 27 12:37:50 and copy files on it :) Jan 27 12:37:58 that was needed on my ubuntu box :) Jan 27 12:38:10 cutmasta: really ? i'm now charging :( Jan 27 12:38:23 cutmasta: via usb connection to my archlinux :) Jan 27 12:38:31 if you plugin usb Jan 27 12:38:34 the phone ask you Jan 27 12:38:44 you bought it for fun? Jan 27 12:38:45 if you wanna copy files on it Jan 27 12:38:54 cutmasta: yeah , i know that , i don't need to mount it right now :) Jan 27 12:39:01 cutmasta: i'll do it later Jan 27 12:39:02 ok Jan 27 12:39:57 cutmasta: G1 performs well , i can't waiting to develop some applications on it ;) Jan 27 12:40:12 ghosTM55: yap Jan 27 12:40:37 cutmasta: one question , any pdf reader on G1 ? i can't find it on market Jan 27 12:41:16 ghosTM55: i wrote an article about it on androidportal.com Jan 27 12:41:29 cutmasta: okay , thx Jan 27 12:42:49 cutmasta: can't open the site , maybe it's not available in china to see it Jan 27 12:43:00 ghosTM55: really? Jan 27 12:43:15 try androidportal.cn Jan 27 12:44:31 cutmasta: doesn't work either , where do you come from ? Jan 27 12:46:24 how do i get the size of a FileInputStream in java? Jan 27 12:46:36 i want to do a post, and I need to set then Content-Length header Jan 27 12:46:46 *the Jan 27 12:48:37 digitalspaghetti: doesnt that do the apache http client itself when using post as http method Jan 27 12:49:16 seems not, i'm getting a 411 error when i post Jan 27 12:49:42 hmm Jan 27 12:49:56 digitalspaghetti: did you sniffed the traffic already Jan 27 12:50:12 probably not, a stream does nt know its length Jan 27 12:50:39 use the length() on the File object Jan 27 12:51:55 yap, good idea, make a file object first Jan 27 12:52:04 do a .size() or .length() Jan 27 12:52:16 remember this int for the POST Jan 27 12:52:20 you can pass the File object to the FileInputStream constructor anyway ;) Jan 27 13:03:15 lala Jan 27 13:06:17 NetRipper: i'm using a FileInputStream Jan 27 13:07:55 http://paste.ifies.org/291 Jan 27 13:08:09 the FileInputStream doesn't seem to have a size or length method Jan 27 13:09:25 digitalspaghetti, File f = new File("file.txt"); int size = f.length(); FileInputStream s = new FileInputStream(f); Jan 27 13:09:28 i'll try create a file first and pass that to the FileInputStream Jan 27 13:09:34 NetRipper: yea, just gonna try that Jan 27 13:09:58 note that length() is a method on the File object, not the FileInputStream Jan 27 13:09:59 :) Jan 27 13:11:07 ok, that seems to get me further, now i have at least got a 401 not authorised now :) Jan 27 13:15:24 lol pwned Jan 27 13:40:48 someone an idea why my app always gets an "Unknown error" when trying to use httpclient Jan 27 13:41:12 Forgot the INTERNET permission on your app? Jan 27 13:41:37 ah jbq Jan 27 13:41:39 thx Jan 27 13:41:42 i will have a look Jan 27 13:41:45 thats possible Jan 27 13:41:57 (there's a bug in 1.0 where it returns "unknown error" in that case instead of a security error) Jan 27 13:45:44 jbq: no, still unknown error Jan 27 13:45:47 strange Jan 27 13:45:55 ok, I have no idea then, sorry :( Jan 27 13:46:05 but i get security exception in logcat Jan 27 13:46:10 "permission denied" Jan 27 13:46:15 : starting intent Jan 27 13:53:47 you trying https? Jan 27 13:54:20 blau-MikeDG: is it possible that the android manifest editor adds the permission tag in the wrong section? Jan 27 13:54:31 i had it within the application tag Jan 27 13:54:38 no i added it as a standalone tag Jan 27 13:55:08 it shouldnt be in the application tag Jan 27 13:55:13 at least on mine it isnt Jan 27 13:57:46 blau-MikeDG: now it works Jan 27 13:57:52 cool Jan 27 13:57:55 Jan 27 13:58:00 is correct Jan 27 13:58:05 but the manifest editor added Jan 27 13:58:12 Jan 27 13:58:16 ?! Jan 27 13:58:25 weird Jan 27 13:58:30 do you have the latested plugins? Jan 27 13:59:28 any android developers available for hire on a pretty simple/small app? Jan 27 13:59:41 i am! Jan 27 13:59:55 blau-MikeDG: my eclipse does not find any update Jan 27 14:00:01 so i assume, i have the latest version Jan 27 14:00:05 blau-MikeDG i'm going to PM you, okay? Jan 27 14:00:08 cut: odd, have you googled for an update? Jan 27 14:00:12 trigatch: go for it Jan 27 14:00:20 if you are asking me to build a flash player ill shoot you Jan 27 14:00:30 :) Jan 27 14:01:17 blau-MikeDG: i will uninstall my current plugin Jan 27 14:01:18 and reinstall Jan 27 14:01:55 blau-MikeDG: whatcha gonna shoot with? Jan 27 14:02:32 a potato gun! Jan 27 14:02:59 nice, I havent had a spud gun for 10yr now Jan 27 14:05:03 Morning Jan 27 14:05:22 I'm having a problem installing the eclipse plugin Jan 27 14:05:46 'Loading https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/eclipse/' has encountered a problem Jan 27 14:05:52 No repository found Jan 27 14:07:21 http://groups.google.com/group/wayland-display-server/browse_thread/thread/ee8a248105bd6480?q=wayland+qws+lessons#4fc647381ff6c327 Jan 27 14:07:40 SManson: use http:// Jan 27 14:09:00 hmm Jan 27 14:09:10 where can i kill apps on the phone Jan 27 14:09:17 seems my app is still running Jan 27 14:09:36 you cant really unless you got root Jan 27 14:09:57 hm, ok , so i must add a "close" application to the pplication menu Jan 27 14:10:06 and there i have to kill the activita Jan 27 14:10:07 y Jan 27 14:10:22 tmzt: Did that. Still not working Jan 27 14:13:52 Meh, worked now Jan 27 14:13:55 blau-MikeDG: now my app works Jan 27 14:14:07 how cool to see it on a real phone instead of the emu Jan 27 14:14:24 congrats cutmasta Jan 27 14:14:28 must be exciting! Jan 27 14:14:36 cutmasta: whatsit do? Jan 27 14:14:42 :) Jan 27 14:15:37 some king of data access of the phone Jan 27 14:15:39 kind Jan 27 14:15:47 very simple but usefull Jan 27 14:15:56 have to put it in the app store Jan 27 14:16:09 without using gmail Jan 27 14:21:53 cutmasta: good to hear it works! Jan 27 14:22:13 yes, thans blau-MikeDG for help Jan 27 14:50:17 is there any way to reassign the action of the green dial button on the g1 thru the api? Jan 27 14:51:50 I think you can capture it, yes. The ones you can't are home and red. Jan 27 14:54:32 jbq: where in the api can I do that, or should I look at the dialer app? Jan 27 14:54:43 I have no idea, sorry. Jan 27 14:55:13 you mean like for every app? Jan 27 14:55:18 or just in your own app Jan 27 14:55:37 i think the only hard button you can intercept everywhere is the camera and maybe volume Jan 27 14:55:59 for core, really. want to start my own dialer versus contacts Jan 27 14:57:03 I'd imagine/hope that'd be possible with just the proper intent filter, letting the system deal with the key handling. Jan 27 14:58:27 hmm. lemme poke around then Jan 27 15:02:57 is morrildl not here? Jan 27 15:03:12 It's still early morning in California. Jan 27 15:03:27 somebody has broken client? it's been doing that all night Jan 27 15:03:50 jbq: ACTION_CALL_BUTTON Jan 27 15:04:01 mmarker: that looks promising :) Jan 27 15:05:02 Docs say "user pressed the call button to go to the dialer or other appropriate UI for placing a call" Jan 27 15:11:02 howdy folks Jan 27 15:18:55 ..can we kick him until he gets his shit together? Jan 27 15:18:58 anybody? Jan 27 15:19:19 (hey google.. maybe a couple of admins in different timezones would be a good way to start that whole "community" thing) Jan 27 15:19:47 !kick Disconnect Jan 27 15:19:50 ... (damn) Jan 27 15:19:52 ... but then Google very much prefers to have everyone in the same place... Jan 27 15:20:47 jbq: they have plans to fly all the community members to calif? some might object. (more so if they use giant robots, as mentioned yesterday. then probably -lots- of people will object.) Jan 27 15:21:29 lol Jan 27 15:22:00 but this dralspire cycle has been going on for at least 10 hours now Jan 27 15:23:29 same deal happened about a month ago Jan 27 15:24:03 i dunno what he's working on but its awfully annoying Jan 27 15:25:54 his script simply tries to take it's own nick back, before another server on the network has properly synced.. his nickchange to Guest* is an anti-collide mechanism, but doesn't seem to work ;) Jan 27 15:26:13 he gets killed, joins with his alt name as his primary name is in use, and the loop repeats itself Jan 27 15:26:17 ;) Jan 27 15:26:25 he did it! Jan 27 15:26:33 its easy to see -what- is happening. that doesn't make it ok. Jan 27 15:26:33 I did??!?! Jan 27 15:26:35 marix-work: no he didn't Jan 27 15:26:44 lol Jan 27 15:26:44 just wait. Jan 27 15:27:07 oh Jan 27 15:27:09 this is promising Jan 27 15:28:17 I think im gonna bite the bullet and build a corei7 system Jan 27 15:28:24 for the economy's sake Jan 27 15:28:30 you gotta be rich then Jan 27 15:28:44 nah, stuffs getting cheap Jan 27 15:28:46 i'll wait until at least the mainboards have gotten a decent price Jan 27 15:29:01 250 euros for a i7 mainboard is outrageous ;) Jan 27 15:29:18 even the memory controller is on the i7 itself now, so less hardware on the mainboard! ;) Jan 27 15:29:25 $220 is what i've specd out for the mobo Jan 27 15:29:51 ah ok, maybe they've become cheaper this month Jan 27 15:30:38 ive seen some w/ 2 channel memory for 185, budget board for sure but not as bad as they used to be Jan 27 15:31:09 dual channel on i7? that's a shame Jan 27 15:31:14 well... time to upgrade to JF v. 1.4 Jan 27 15:33:56 Anyone have any info about MemoryUp? Jan 27 15:34:17 ericasadun, its junk? Jan 27 15:34:17 bad news Jan 27 15:34:20 there's a lot of controversy about it in the market Jan 27 15:34:32 I'm hearing stuff that doesn't sound probable Jan 27 15:34:42 Has anyone actually figured out if it is actually malware? Jan 27 15:36:10 erica, Id expect that he will be pushing out a pay for version once the market allows for it. in the mean time i believe the "personal" edition suggests you upgrade to "professional" which costs something Jan 27 15:36:32 http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/googles_open_phone_open_to_attack.php Jan 27 15:36:38 That's where I got started this morning Jan 27 15:37:12 dex>jvm jvm>java asm Jan 27 15:37:27 when you install memory up does it require full network access/ Jan 27 15:39:27 I don't know. I don't even own a G1 -- I'm just supposed to figure out what is going on, whether this was actual malware, badlywrittenware, or if this is mass hysteria Jan 27 15:39:38 ugh that article pisses me off Jan 27 15:39:48 i can go write an app that thrashes iphone contacts too Jan 27 15:39:51 erica, are you a reporter? Jan 27 15:39:58 tech writer Jan 27 15:40:07 and itll get into the market Jan 27 15:40:39 is memory up still on the market? Jan 27 15:40:42 i can't seem to find it Jan 27 15:40:48 although if it requires no priveleges it sounds like people jsut didnt like it Jan 27 15:40:54 and everyone jumped on the hate bandwagon Jan 27 15:40:54 ] Jan 27 15:41:29 There are memory release apps for the iPhone too Jan 27 15:41:52 who knows what it was Jan 27 15:41:52 I don't think they actually work in the way people want them to, but I wouldn't imagine that they're harmful Jan 27 15:42:18 the iphone can only run 1 3rd party app at a time Jan 27 15:42:34 so i don't understand how a memory cleanup app would do anything for the iphone Jan 27 15:42:37 marix: so running memory up, can increase memory! Jan 27 15:42:51 the problem is: nobody wants to test what it was cause it will delete their stuff, it is not on the market anymore, the company wont re-release the bugged version and get pummeled, etc... Jan 27 15:42:52 marix-work: It allocates a bunch of ram, trying to force the built-in apps (which are running) to release memory Jan 27 15:43:09 marix-work: Basicallly, the iPhone ones artificially induce low memory warnings Jan 27 15:43:24 I assume the G1 one works the same way Jan 27 15:43:56 "here, let me make some room on your phone by DELETING EVERYTHING ON IT" Jan 27 15:44:02 wow i haz so much space Jan 27 15:44:06 blau-mikeDG, i dunno if it can or not, but i'd trust googles memory management over a 3rd party anyday. Jan 27 15:44:07 heh Jan 27 15:44:08 there is the Low-Memory Killer, but it comes before Out of Memory Killer which is much worse Jan 27 15:44:30 when kernel gets there things like zygote crash (all of android) Jan 27 15:44:41 but like i was saying, i don't even see memory up on the market anymore. Jan 27 15:46:14 anyway, when installing an application in android it will notify you of what permissions the app needs. Jan 27 15:46:23 so if it needs access to the network it will tell you Jan 27 15:47:11 good to know Jan 27 15:47:22 if memup doesn't have network access as part of its permissions then i dont think it could transmit private data in anyway. Jan 27 15:47:37 The biggest complaint seems to be "wiped my SD card" Jan 27 15:49:16 i can't speak on that, but it sounds incorrect to me. Jan 27 15:51:11 does cupcake have a task manager app now?. Jan 27 15:51:23 or task viewer app even Jan 27 15:52:31 task viewer yes, task manager no - from what I've heard Jan 27 15:53:04 'ps' and 'kill' should be good enough for people that think they need to manage tasks on the phone Jan 27 15:53:52 people should really read up on how the task execution and termination works in android Jan 27 15:54:34 everyone seems to shink that the only way is the "desktop os way" Jan 27 15:54:49 ^ agree Jan 27 15:55:12 next thing you know, they'll want apps to run in little windows that they can resize and drag around... Jan 27 15:55:18 not all apps - even built-in ones - seem to deal with being destroyed Jan 27 15:55:22 lol :) Jan 27 15:55:42 Leeds: and how is a task manager going to solve that? Jan 27 15:55:47 ohh Dralspire is here again :D Jan 27 15:55:50 it isn't Jan 27 15:56:42 did anyone ever install that memory for lemmings app Jan 27 15:56:51 hahahahhah Jan 27 15:56:54 i installed both :D Jan 27 15:57:00 i only saw that as a comment Jan 27 15:57:21 but i dont get what people complain about Jan 27 15:57:22 did the lemmings app actually do anything or was it just a big joke? Jan 27 15:58:02 i would say android is pretty capable of garbageing its own memory Jan 27 15:58:49 i have no idea if the lemmings app did anything only thing i know is that this uproar against memoryUp is ridicoulus Jan 27 15:59:41 What we need is not a MemoryUp app, it's fewer people trying to turn their apps into MemoryDown. Jan 27 16:00:03 that was deep man. Jan 27 16:00:23 but we need to be patient Jan 27 16:00:54 lol - reading android-developers seeing questions from devs trying to allocate 20MB at a time sadly makes me think that this is actually an issue. Jan 27 16:01:10 umm Jan 27 16:01:14 wow Jan 27 16:01:28 makes you want to shake them and shout "YOU'RE ON A PHONE, NOT A 2009-CLASS PC!"? Jan 27 16:01:39 and such memory pressur leads to memory thrashing, which leads to increased CPU usage, which leads to short battery life. Jan 27 16:02:21 We would have no probably with 2 gigs of ram Jan 27 16:02:28 I've been in the phone industry for years. Phones lag PCs fairly consistently by about 12 years. Jan 27 16:03:26 runing todays technologies on 12 year old hardware! Jan 27 16:03:38 essentially, yeah. Jan 27 16:03:42 the thing is even on a pc you really dont want take 20mb of memory Jan 27 16:03:51 at ones Jan 27 16:03:56 *once Jan 27 16:04:11 jbq: i can see the 'issue' you are talking about :) Jan 27 16:06:42 wheres all the googlers @ today? Jan 27 16:07:05 20mb for a mobile app, what are they writing? Jan 27 16:07:29 'they' are trying to download a 14MB+ MP3 file into memory in one go Jan 27 16:08:03 if you can't manually count the number of bytes you need... :) Jan 27 16:08:39 that would be like a 15minute mp3 Jan 27 16:09:01 anf? Jan 27 16:09:06 or even... and? Jan 27 16:09:33 wtf are you going to do immediately w/ a 15 minute file? Jan 27 16:09:54 I use roughly 2.5mb and thats with mp3's and multiplayer at the same time Jan 27 16:10:00 save it to SD and/or play it Jan 27 16:10:14 good god Jan 27 16:10:17 20mb Jan 27 16:10:20 what the hell are they doing Jan 27 16:11:21 check android-developers for more info Jan 27 16:11:34 Dralspire990: wtf are you doing? Jan 27 16:11:43 isn't even here Jan 27 16:16:11 20mb... must be the messaging application :) Jan 27 16:25:34 morning Jan 27 16:26:17 These are not the Lucky Charms of my youth. Jan 27 16:27:51 morrildl: that's a quote Jan 27 16:28:03 RyeBrye: heh Jan 27 16:28:12 I'd set /topic but then I'd be quoting myself which isn't right Jan 27 16:31:08 SanMehat_: maybe you can stop the Dralspire loop of doom.. Jan 27 16:31:16 Disconnect: ? Jan 27 16:31:43 morrildl: he's been doing that logon/nickchange/occasional-nickserv-ghost/nickchange/logoff cycle for 11 hours now. at least. Jan 27 16:32:00 grr Jan 27 16:32:13 I turned off stupid conference mode once already. Stupid chatzilla Jan 27 16:32:32 "conference mode"? Jan 27 16:32:55 yeah Chatzilla suppresses joins/leaves/renames for channels w/ > 150 people by default Jan 27 16:33:21 i.e. I didn't see it Jan 27 16:33:33 looks like he's not on now...? Jan 27 16:33:34 ah Jan 27 16:33:38 he's Dralspire569 Jan 27 16:34:14 oh, there Jan 27 16:34:36 hey Dralspire569 say something in the next 5 minutes or I'm going to kick you for now Jan 27 16:35:17 * Disconnect isn't advocating death or anything, just a /kick "msg an admin when you are back and have yourself under control" :) Jan 27 16:35:27 Disconnect: yep Jan 27 16:36:00 i've never seen him say anything either Jan 27 16:36:07 it's a trap! Jan 27 16:36:16 he's probably a bot, sent back from the future Jan 27 16:36:57 wait whoami and why don't I have ops Jan 27 16:37:17 does the 1.4 install come w/ the demo apps or will i need to find them elsewhere Jan 27 16:37:20 wtf, did Chatzilla just like forget my config or something? Jan 27 16:37:53 excellent Jan 27 16:38:00 ha Jan 27 16:38:04 :) Jan 27 16:38:07 Sorry, Dralspire449, but it's time for a ban Jan 27 16:39:16 Anyone willing to take a peek at a post and give some feedback? http://tinypaste.com/1034d Jan 27 16:39:23 marix-work: ? blau-MikeDG ? Jan 27 16:40:13 stupid ban syntax Jan 27 16:40:28 Hey Erica :) Jan 27 16:40:33 Hiya JF!!! Jan 27 16:40:43 JesusFreke: Can you take a peek and give some feedback? Jan 27 16:40:45 I would take a look, but I'm just now leaving for work :/ Jan 27 16:40:55 No worries. Happy work Jan 27 16:41:01 Erica: its badly formatted and hard to read. html + pastebin loses. Jan 27 16:41:08 morrildl: having a good day today ;) Jan 27 16:41:11 but .. it is accused of deleting sdcards and scuh. that takes no permissions at all. Jan 27 16:41:12 yeah, but I ahve to write in raw html Jan 27 16:41:16 jt436: heh :) Jan 27 16:41:21 does it? I'll note that, Disconnect Jan 27 16:41:52 "The biggest fallout so far for the MemoryUp situation has been the discussion of whether the Android Marketplace should adopt a review model similar to Apple's App Store." who was suggesting this? Jan 27 16:42:10 Bunch of articles on google news. I'll add specific links Jan 27 16:42:27 MemoryUp does not delete any data Jan 27 16:42:41 morrildl: That's what it's accused of Jan 27 16:42:53 Erica: and yet, it does not Jan 27 16:43:07 Erica - http://www.33rdprime.com/content/ericas-page - I input it so that I could read it :) Jan 27 16:43:10 erica, theres your official clarification from someone in the know. Jan 27 16:43:10 We've investigated it, and determined that it doesn't do anything it's accused of Jan 27 16:43:12 morrildl: You are on the take from Google. Of COURSE you would say that ;) Jan 27 16:43:34 morrildl: Who is "we" and do you have a linky to your assessment? Jan 27 16:44:00 I've installed it Jan 27 16:44:07 just so I could post a bad review of it Jan 27 16:44:16 Erica: Google Jan 27 16:44:29 morrildl: fraud is still ok tho? Jan 27 16:44:42 morrildl: Google as a verb or are you saying that you work for google? Jan 27 16:44:44 i saw a comment that someone ran it in a debugger and that it requests a garbage collection Jan 27 16:44:51 lol Jan 27 16:44:58 cuz i'm waiting for paid support before releasing my fraudulent apps Jan 27 16:45:03 Disconnect: fraud would be a terms of service violation, which is of course grounds for removal. I can't comment on specific applications Jan 27 16:45:22 It was removed though Jan 27 16:45:23 lets be honest, if some lame programmer who wants to scam people with a "memory management program" can find a way around the sandbox to defraud people with a "memory management app" where hundreds of hackers have not found a good way to do it from userspace, it'd be pretty big news Jan 27 16:45:33 morrildl: do you guys have to inspect every application i mark as malicious when uninstalling? ;] Jan 27 16:45:44 I bet they have interns do that Jan 27 16:45:46 cool. Jan 27 16:46:13 Erica: it was removed when it had blatant "buy the full version from my website" in it Jan 27 16:46:18 I have no sufficiently thin sharp object, how do I open the charger port? Jan 27 16:46:37 we need more female journalists in here, it leads to far better discussions. Jan 27 16:46:54 Caelum: i use my fingernail, try the corner of a business card Jan 27 16:47:05 or fold a piece of paper into a point Jan 27 16:47:14 Erica, it reads very well to me, I will take it down now if everyone has had a chance to look at it. Jan 27 16:47:28 CrashTest_: I'm updating it with everyone's feedback Jan 27 16:47:39 so I'll have a new version ot paste in a couple of minutes Jan 27 16:47:50 what was the original source of the "problem"? Market comments? Jan 27 16:47:53 wastrel: that worked, thank you :) Jan 27 16:47:53 Cool, I will update it when you paste it. Jan 27 16:48:03 oops, ctrl-W on the wrong window Jan 27 16:48:06 and i'd take exception to "we've seen rapid community response" ec.. Jan 27 16:48:23 the only thing that community responds to 'rapidly' is racial slurs and political discussions. Jan 27 16:49:17 Disconnect: only a racist would say such a thing. Jan 27 16:49:25 Disconnect: or a Republican Jan 27 16:49:26 ;) Jan 27 16:49:49 ryebrye, whats the difference :) Jan 27 16:50:26 updated version: http://tinypaste.com/ab1e4 Comments? Corrections? Places where I'm unbearably stupid? Jan 27 16:50:52 * Disconnect waits for the readable version ;) Jan 27 16:51:00 http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/rumour-google-to-buy-skype-513789 Jan 27 16:51:38 Why would google buy skype? Jan 27 16:51:43 CrashTest_: updated yet? Jan 27 16:51:48 they already have Grand Central and aren't doing ANYTHING with it Jan 27 16:51:58 would they buy Skype and turn off registrations as well? Jan 27 16:52:06 hi all..i'm new to android...when i try to run the hello world app on the emulator it just gives me a blank screen with the default android logo and mascot... Jan 27 16:52:13 any idea what might be the prob Jan 27 16:52:13 ? Jan 27 16:52:15 bobsaccamano: patience Jan 27 16:52:24 and Sorry, phone call. Updated. Jan 27 16:52:25 bobsaccamano: let it run for half of forever. first boot is SLOW. Jan 27 16:52:25 bobsaccamano: it's booting Jan 27 16:52:41 bobsaccamano: it takes forever to upload all of your private data to the GOogle servers Jan 27 16:52:45 Erica: I've been told that deleting files from SD cards would not require special permissions. Jan 27 16:52:54 They definitely do not require special permissions Jan 27 16:53:00 That would be "Disconnect" who told me that Jan 27 16:53:07 heh Jan 27 16:53:10 :) Jan 27 16:53:11 you can quote me. ;) Jan 27 16:53:16 :) Jan 27 16:53:17 (andblogs.net) Jan 27 16:53:36 wow..thts a LOT of time Jan 27 16:53:52 what would cause my phone to lose connection to the network quickly after booting? Jan 27 16:53:56 Disconnect: http://andblogs.net/ <-- that? Jan 27 16:53:58 bobsaccamano: yeah Jan 27 16:53:59 thanks RyeBrye and Disconnect Jan 27 16:54:01 enjoy running the emulator Jan 27 16:54:11 it takes a good couple of minutes to boot depending on your machine Jan 27 16:54:18 hmm... Jan 27 16:54:21 don't worry, it's not dead Jan 27 16:54:27 Disconnect: Is that the right linky for you? Jan 27 16:54:28 They should change the emulator boot screen to: Jan 27 16:54:28 you can always look at the logcat output to see what's happening Jan 27 16:54:31 With formatting: http://www.33rdprime.com/content/ericas-page Jan 27 16:54:32 "THIS BOOT WILL TAKE FOREVER" Jan 27 16:54:37 RyeBrye: agreed Jan 27 16:54:39 a couple could be 15, asl ong as it's still pulsing Jan 27 16:54:43 Erica: yep Jan 27 16:54:45 :) Jan 27 16:54:47 maybe the android can hold an hourglass Jan 27 16:54:48 okay..i see it now..and its wonderful :) Jan 27 16:54:50 Disconnect: Added. Enjoy the link love Jan 27 16:54:56 heh Jan 27 16:55:03 and for the record, i'm still mildly annoyed at ars linking to a forum post that ripped off my article when we released the engineering spl 'way back when' and never updating their article. (i was the original source, and did get the forum post updated accordingly :) ..) Jan 27 16:55:27 Feel free to drop a note. People are really nice and good about responding to complaints Jan 27 16:55:41 Question, is Compare-Everywhere OSS? Jan 27 16:55:46 http://arstechnica.com/site/contact-ars-technica.ars Jan 27 16:55:50 Why hello there Jan 27 16:55:55 i did that, nada. i think a couple other people involved in the release did as well. its not a big deal anymore, that was ancient history now ;) Jan 27 16:55:59 Bummer Jan 27 16:56:03 Was it before October? Jan 27 16:56:04 (I hope so!) Jan 27 16:56:13 what happened in october? Jan 27 16:56:16 * Erica just started in October Jan 27 16:56:24 ah Jan 27 16:56:27 I'd hate to share in the guilt Jan 27 16:56:40 lol Jan 27 16:56:41 Anyway, want to thank everyone! Jan 27 16:56:46 article looks good in current form Jan 27 16:56:47 it was 12/6 :) Jan 27 16:56:56 i might even digg it for ya. Jan 27 16:57:05 but feel free to come by for more corrections, info, etc. lots of googs live here, plus the rest of us Jan 27 16:57:12 Feel free to drop me a note any time Jan 27 16:57:16 erica.sadun@arstechnica.com Jan 27 16:57:18 i'd include one thing tho Jan 27 16:57:21 Erica: it isn't "unclear" at all, really: there was no threat. Jan 27 16:57:26 and maybe a goog can back this up for authenticity Jan 27 16:57:47 there is no way for an application to affect memory, especially in a positive way, outside the 16 mb max assigned to it Jan 27 16:57:52 Erica - All done now? Jan 27 16:57:57 morrildl: If you want ot contact me by email with a real name, I'd be happy to mention that Jan 27 16:58:12 CrashTest_: Yeah, basically. I have to get this out and then get back to writing my Freemoji post. Jan 27 16:58:19 Erica: if you want to contact press@google.com or press@android.com for an actual quote, we'd be happy to help out with that too Jan 27 16:58:23 I will take it down then. Jan 27 16:58:28 I'll do that morrildl Jan 27 16:58:41 Any iPhone users: http://github.com/ars/freemoji/tree Jan 27 16:59:13 we have a kickban policy on iphone users round these parts. Jan 27 16:59:24 lol Jan 27 17:00:20 I think we have the same thing for PHP4 users in #drupal Jan 27 17:00:29 lol CrashTest_ Jan 27 17:01:10 morrildl: Press request sent to google & android. Thanks again Jan 27 17:01:29 * Erica hides her Apple proclivities for the sake of peace and goodwill Jan 27 17:01:31 Erica: np. I'd offer to just help, but we have a process for these things ;) Jan 27 17:02:37 Looks like a real pain to apply one of those "invisible shield"'s to a G1. Jan 27 17:03:02 its not totally impossible but its easier than a lot of others Jan 27 17:03:09 cuz the fluid lets it slide Jan 27 17:03:21 * Disconnect bought the full-body cladding and then just ended up applying teh screen protector portion Jan 27 17:03:58 but i love invisishield. got it on my mbp, wif's blackberry, my old e90, etc etc. well worth it to me, keeps scratches and such off Jan 27 17:04:50 Yeah. I skinned my eee a while back, I think I might have had a more enjoyable time removing all of my eyebrow hairs with tweezers. Jan 27 17:05:05 i.e. It was NOT fun. Jan 27 17:05:23 weird. i've never had any real trouble putting it on. Jan 27 17:05:32 and i hate screen protectors cuz it takes me forever and always has dust, etc etc Jan 27 17:05:48 Those skins are a little stretchy, and when I was attempting to put it on it would stretch in the direction I was applying, so it would come out long. Jan 27 17:06:05 Erica: none of the iphone users here @ work can read/write japanese so they're not hot on that app ;) Jan 27 17:06:13 CrashTest_: use more fluid? it should be basically wet.. Jan 27 17:06:25 Disconnect: It's cute little icons. You don't have to use japanese at all. Jan 27 17:06:34 ah ok Jan 27 17:06:49 asians are mad for the cute little icons... drives me insane Jan 27 17:07:08 i like icons tyvm Jan 27 17:07:23 instead of "yes" on MSN I get a cat nodding its head at me Jan 27 17:07:31 anyway, g'night all Jan 27 17:08:53 Disconnect: morning - how goes? Jan 27 17:09:13 not bad. well.. bad enough at work but not bad in general :) Jan 27 17:09:26 and a bus tried to ram my jeep. that was fun too. :/ Jan 27 17:09:30 how about you? Jan 27 17:16:22 I'd like to give a shout out to everyone who was involved in the 1.41 firmware upgrade. Some really nice stuff guys. Keep up the good work. Jan 27 17:18:34 its going well Jan 27 17:18:51 anyone here developing on a mac? Jan 27 17:18:59 coding away like a madman Jan 27 17:18:59 schacon: i am Jan 27 17:20:04 schacon: yes Jan 27 17:20:25 schacon: Yes. Jan 27 17:20:52 haha just searched arstechnica for android and got a bunch of stories listed like "Last updated 19, 2009 12:05" .. i'm guessing jan 19 but .. ;) Jan 27 17:21:28 shawn just answered my question in #git - i was asking about developing on HFS+ (case-insensitve FS) Jan 27 17:21:30 thanks! Jan 27 17:22:03 'developing' sdk can work anywhere. platform/framework needs case sensitive. its on te known issues page i think, with a workaround Jan 27 17:23:05 hey disconnect, where can i find the apps that were featured in the lukehutch video? Jan 27 17:24:03 nm, found it Jan 27 17:28:01 marix-work: I haven't, hint? Jan 27 17:29:24 lukehutch.wordpress.com Jan 27 17:30:30 Ahh, found the page. Thanks Jan 27 17:30:50 schacon: use a case sensitive diskimage Jan 27 17:30:54 schacon: easy workaround Jan 27 17:31:10 creating it now - thanks! Jan 27 17:31:20 I think they even have it in their docs now don't they? I nagged them a while ago about it Jan 27 17:31:35 yeah, they do - i missed it Jan 27 17:31:41 ok Jan 27 17:38:55 Is there an android app that will make UPS bring me my G1 faster? :) Jan 27 17:39:01 when i install the mtvisualizer apk file it wants to overwrite androidsystem... Jan 27 17:44:01 Yeah bicster Jan 27 17:44:06 One sec lemme get get it Jan 27 17:44:11 woohoo Jan 27 17:44:23 timetravellingmachinebeta.apk Jan 27 17:44:25 There it is Jan 27 17:44:51 I'll install it as soon as it gets here, then send it back Jan 27 17:47:02 somebody here an idea howto make https connection with the apache httpclient ? i always get the "not trusted server certificate" response Jan 27 17:47:09 how can i trust all certs for example Jan 27 17:47:25 found a solution for httpurlconecction, but not for httpclient Jan 27 17:47:29 what are the latest hacks for the phone? Jan 27 17:48:11 trusting all certs is probably not a good idea Jan 27 17:49:49 Bicster: just for testing, i dont want to import each cert of webserver i test Jan 27 17:51:03 ahh Jan 27 17:51:44 just want it to work:) Jan 27 18:01:31 Hey, does anybody know if JF's 1.41 includes the ext2 kernel module by default, or do i need to insmod a .ko? Jan 27 18:01:59 in the last release busybox insmod ext2 worked out of the box Jan 27 18:02:06 now i get "ext2 not found" Jan 27 18:03:10 Halp, anybody? Jan 27 18:03:22 cat /proc/filesystems Jan 27 18:03:29 and expect answers to take more than 12 seconds Jan 27 18:03:33 i don't have them in there Jan 27 18:03:45 and i know to wait for answers :P Jan 27 18:04:19 before in 1.31 ext2 didn't show u[p in /proc/filesystems until after i insmod'd it Jan 27 18:05:58 maybe modprobe will work... Jan 27 18:06:27 holy crap. Jan 27 18:06:33 its impossible to type "n" into the ars search box Jan 27 18:06:35 ahhhahaaha Jan 27 18:06:53 ars? ars technica? Jan 27 18:06:57 yah Jan 27 18:07:15 hahahah wtf?! Jan 27 18:07:15 am works, android ends up as 'adroid' .. had to hit annnnnnnn(it finally said 'an')droid Jan 27 18:07:21 thats awesome Jan 27 18:07:24 Disconnect: wow Jan 27 18:07:25 why is that? Jan 27 18:07:28 hahaha Jan 27 18:07:29 thats not awesome! Jan 27 18:07:35 Disconnect, heh. you're right Jan 27 18:07:44 has to be an artifact of their suggestion completion code Jan 27 18:08:08 lol every time i hit n part of the page refreshes Jan 27 18:08:11 yep Jan 27 18:08:14 javac still segfaults, I can't even compile android :-( Jan 27 18:08:32 nice, then when I selected their suggestion and searched, it says "A search error ocurred [sic], please try again later" Jan 27 18:08:39 i think think 'n' is a hotkey for next page or something Jan 27 18:08:42 yeah Jan 27 18:08:55 you just have to type it out somewhere else and copypaste Jan 27 18:09:07 google +site:arstechnica.com whatever... Jan 27 18:10:15 :O this is cool Jan 27 18:10:16 http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/01/hands-on-skydeck-is-a-better-dashboard-for-your-cell-phone.ars Jan 27 18:10:19 Disconnect, you ca Jan 27 18:10:24 n paste n Jan 27 18:10:27 i wonder if it works with my G1 Jan 27 18:12:49 kod: if it works like other similar services which give you a new number that you forward through.. it might :/ Jan 27 18:13:16 it says it works with Android phones :x Jan 27 18:13:24 which means, currently, the HTC Dream :P Jan 27 18:15:17 Does Android itself compile with Java 6? Jan 27 18:16:04 * cliffstah is desperately trying to find /some/ way to compile Jan 27 18:16:36 Skydeck's site requires Flash and a $9.95 per month Skydeck Basic plan Jan 27 18:16:42 D: it's not free Jan 27 18:17:25 cliffstah: what are you trying to do? compile to android source? Jan 27 18:17:29 yup Jan 27 18:17:33 *the Jan 27 18:17:43 my javac just segfaults. java 5 or 6, 32 or 64 bit Jan 27 18:17:46 did you use the SDK? Jan 27 18:18:03 what do you mean? Jan 27 18:18:11 I followed the directions on source.android.com Jan 27 18:18:35 hmmm, i dunno then Jan 27 18:19:20 cliffstah: java 6 and a C/C++ compiler Jan 27 18:19:36 it's odd. everything else Java works on my machine, I've tried tweaking, setting different defaults, switching jvm's, installing updates, updating the prebinding cache Jan 27 18:19:50 cliffstah: javac -version Jan 27 18:19:52 and javac still segfaults, every time, in the same place Jan 27 18:20:03 zinx I've tried every JVM on my machine Jan 27 18:20:11 cliffstah: javac -version Jan 27 18:20:19 cliffstah: the compiler isn't a VM, or related to the VM Jan 27 18:20:53 then let me rephrase, I've tried every Java environment on my machine Jan 27 18:20:55 1.5.0_16, currently Jan 27 18:21:04 and it returns the version properly? Jan 27 18:21:08 it does Jan 27 18:21:09 (i.e., doesn't segfault :P ) Jan 27 18:21:12 yup Jan 27 18:21:19 odd indeed Jan 27 18:21:32 I can't get to the bottom of it Jan 27 18:21:33 can you try compiling a simple hello world style app? Jan 27 18:21:55 yup, will do that now, though I have been successfully using eclipse and building apps using the SDK Jan 27 18:22:08 ah, hmm Jan 27 18:22:10 it borks on droiddoc Jan 27 18:22:32 renesys internet captitivity and depeering up next Jan 27 18:22:34 oops Jan 27 18:22:58 if I could just get a lead, I could probably fix it, I've been trying for 3 days now with absolutely nothing Jan 27 18:23:14 any one have ideas about ADC2? Jan 27 18:23:19 only that javac crashes whilst using dyld Jan 27 18:23:58 http://pastebin.com/f1dab0871 Jan 27 18:24:40 and.. http://pastebin.com/fc55817 Jan 27 18:25:53 Im about to craft a message to android-platform in desperation too Jan 27 18:26:02 cliffstah: make clean between changes/tests? Jan 27 18:26:07 yup Jan 27 18:26:17 always do Jan 27 18:26:37 even blatted the source tree and started over, new case sensitive image and all Jan 27 18:26:56 I just don't get it Jan 27 18:29:35 hey has anyone used the fommy 1600 mah battery? Jan 27 18:29:46 i want an extended battery but the 1400 seams pointless Jan 27 18:29:51 and its more expensive Jan 27 18:29:59 the others that require a new door just make the g1 too beastly Jan 27 18:32:03 just go for the 1400 Jan 27 18:32:09 you'll have 2 batteries Jan 27 18:32:24 thats enough power for anybody Jan 27 18:32:25 yeah, and get an external battery charger Jan 27 18:32:36 have one charging while you use the other Jan 27 18:32:41 i just need a car charger and i'm god to go Jan 27 18:32:48 *good lol Jan 27 18:32:50 one gets low.. the other is fully charged and ready to go Jan 27 18:33:23 So don't go for the 2400? I am going to be off power for pretty long stretches here pretty soon. Jan 27 18:33:30 I just got the android code and am starting to muck around, which is a better starting point, master branch or "cupcake" or "donut" Jan 27 18:33:49 bleh if im gonna buy another battery anyways Jan 27 18:34:29 silven: start with master, you're much more likely to be able to build it. Jan 27 18:34:48 jbq: thanks Jan 27 18:35:10 donut? Jan 27 18:35:28 donut is a new branch in the git repositories, which is currently identical to cupcake. Jan 27 18:35:30 g2 and Samsung are coming? and sammy willhave h@h? Jan 27 18:35:44 jbq: when do we get eclair? :D Jan 27 18:35:55 lol Jan 27 18:35:57 JesusFreke: it's further down the roadmap :D Jan 27 18:36:10 jbq: Eclair is the netbook release Jan 27 18:36:44 and where's the Set-Back Box Editition? Jan 27 18:37:04 I'd be very surprised if we saw a release from the main release sequence that didn't work on phones. Jan 27 18:37:23 (and I'd fight tooth and nail against it) Jan 27 18:38:12 phones are good Jan 27 18:39:20 does anybody know what command i would use to check what modules are availible to be probed? Jan 27 18:39:45 find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name \*.ko Jan 27 18:39:54 or depmod -a -v Jan 27 18:39:59 cool Jan 27 18:40:30 depmod on the G1 doesn't know -a Jan 27 18:40:34 :[ Jan 27 18:40:40 it might be implied Jan 27 18:41:17 the g1 makes a lot of sense but I can't get the menu function is on the keyboard Jan 27 18:41:31 and I only played with it for ten minutes Jan 27 18:42:08 i think it's kinda silly too Jan 27 18:49:11 nice design http://www.androidauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/dstl1_01.jpg Jan 27 19:05:18 i think its ugly, especially with that stylus sticking out the top Jan 27 19:06:41 the g1 articulation is only in one direction? Jan 27 19:07:07 the what now? Jan 27 19:07:31 add the two right rows of phone keys and detect the presses on the existing keys with a cap. like diam Jan 27 19:07:34 slides up Jan 27 19:07:54 the mechanism Jan 27 19:09:13 I can't draw it so I tried to describe it, didn't really work did it Jan 27 19:09:32 so, when implementing a cursor, when it Errs with: android.database.StaleDataException: This cursor has changed, you must call requery(), where should I call requery? Jan 27 19:11:21 I used MergeCursor as a template when creating my cursor Jan 27 19:11:57 ah I think I may have figured it out Jan 27 19:25:53 so does anyone in here know about magnets and the g1? Jan 27 19:26:08 ive heard that magnets can cause compass damage, but is it likely? Jan 27 19:28:53 uh Jan 27 19:29:18 a magnet could demagnetize the compass Jan 27 19:29:23 but not too likely Jan 27 19:30:02 this would pretty much just cause it to face south instead of north Jan 27 19:31:18 fadden: should I use pthread_mutex for threadsafety in native code or is there something I ought to use instead? Jan 27 19:31:34 not java thread safety Jan 27 19:32:36 actually, if I acquired a pthread_mutex_lock and then made a call into the jvm, is there a possibility this would cause problems? Jan 27 19:32:55 nope, I didn't figure it out Jan 27 19:33:09 i bought a case that was dirt cheap, and it has magnets in it (it didnt say it did) Jan 27 19:33:22 was gonna throw it away but was wondering if its even that big of an issue Jan 27 19:33:41 is that even a problem with solid-state compasses? Jan 27 19:33:51 * DarkriftX has no idea Jan 27 19:35:17 the magnets in the case WILL affect the orientation of the magnet in the device Jan 27 19:35:33 but it shouldn't cause long term damage or anything Jan 27 19:35:57 it will only cause the internal magnet to consider the case magnet "north" Jan 27 19:36:28 but when removing it from the case, the magnet will not stick like that? Jan 27 19:36:40 no Jan 27 19:36:43 someone said after long periods of time, the compass will slowly stop pointing north Jan 27 19:36:47 ok Jan 27 19:37:03 anyone know where the compass is in the g1? Jan 27 19:38:41 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet#Magnetization_and_demagnetization Jan 27 19:39:06 nice Jan 27 19:39:06 I dunno, don't blame me if it screws up your magnet Jan 27 19:39:17 there is a var in src called isDataConnectivityPissible Jan 27 19:39:30 ... wut Jan 27 19:39:41 where Jan 27 19:39:43 TelephoneRegistry.java Jan 27 19:39:43 I must see this Jan 27 19:39:49 line 287 or so Jan 27 19:40:06 its obviously a typo but quite funny Jan 27 19:40:22 well maybe its not a typo, but if it isn't i sure don't know what pissable is in that context Jan 27 19:40:47 wait, is this in framework? Jan 27 19:40:51 yea Jan 27 19:40:56 actually, is this in cupcake or something? Jan 27 19:41:18 master Jan 27 19:41:20 but Jan 27 19:41:23 after cupcake merged to master Jan 27 19:41:29 ah nvm Jan 27 19:41:40 Telephony not Telephone Jan 27 19:41:44 err yea Jan 27 19:42:15 I got my wifi connected and this code is just freaking out Jan 27 19:42:40 i keep getting a "dataConnectionStateChanged" type broadcast in a seemingly infinite loop Jan 27 19:56:38 So, if I extend AbstractCursor, what does it mean I need to do if I get the Error: android.database.StaleDataException: This cursor has changed, you must call requery()? I really don't understand exactly what I need to do if extending an AbstractCursor (I just followed MergeCursor as an example) Jan 27 19:57:57 i seriously need to start reporting these SMS spams. Jan 27 19:58:50 unix_infidel: to what end? Jan 27 19:59:00 the best you can hope for is a reimbursement from your carrier Jan 27 19:59:11 herriojr: you need to call requery on the cursor Jan 27 19:59:20 I should mention I'm using the Cursor in a CursorAdapter Jan 27 19:59:23 the underlying data structure has changed Jan 27 19:59:31 er Jan 27 19:59:35 not structure Jan 27 19:59:38 the underlying data has changed Jan 27 19:59:48 shouldn't a cursorAdapter already take care of that? Jan 27 20:00:30 I dunno, probably Jan 27 20:00:46 MergeCursors can be passed into CursorAdapters and they work Jan 27 20:00:57 hmm Jan 27 20:01:07 I'm going to write an article on this after I figure it out Jan 27 20:01:10 there aren't any around Jan 27 20:03:05 ok, I think I may have figured it out Jan 27 20:04:50 I love having access to the android src, makes things easier to debug :) Jan 27 20:06:23 what's the best twitter app? Jan 27 20:06:52 browser Jan 27 20:07:29 Bicster: no idea Jan 27 20:07:49 Bicster: I have only used twidroid but it works fine for me Jan 27 20:11:57 wow, actually, it wasn't my cursor having problems, it was the cursor going through the sms content provider, which uses a basic Cursor Jan 27 20:13:11 I didn't realize which adapter I was looking at Jan 27 20:14:17 does anyone know if sax parser supports https url's ? Jan 27 20:19:40 what do you mean by supports https urls? Jan 27 20:20:25 the stream you are passing it is from an https? Jan 27 20:20:43 yeah Jan 27 20:20:47 I thoguht the sax parser just wants an inputstream Jan 27 20:21:34 omg, I need to get some sleep Jan 27 20:21:39 I've had my G1 for 30 mins now .. this thing rocks Jan 27 20:21:45 theres some funkiness I think to how you can get https working with HTTPSUrlConnection, are you using that in any way? Jan 27 20:22:23 i'm using just URL url = new URL("https://www.blah.com/webservices.asmx"); Jan 27 20:22:31 Bicster: you're sure :P? Jan 27 20:22:33 ill pm you Jan 27 20:22:41 yeah ;) Jan 27 20:22:45 ;) Jan 27 20:23:09 now I just need to learn noob stuff ;) Jan 27 20:23:22 such as? Jan 27 20:23:37 thanks to Disconnect I can probably pwn it faster than I can figure out how to put apps on the home page Jan 27 20:23:45 hehe Jan 27 20:25:07 :| Jan 27 20:31:00 DOUBLE THE DATAFORCE Jan 27 20:31:53 pwnge! Jan 27 20:38:39 default mail client doesn't support a signature or sleep times, huh? Jan 27 20:42:19 @foo nope, i dont think so Jan 27 20:42:55 lame, mail app is pretty limited. Jan 27 20:43:29 maybe there are better 3rd party apps? Jan 27 20:43:44 k9 supports signatures i think Jan 27 20:43:55 blackwinged: yeah, I need to look into that Jan 27 20:44:19 K-9 is nice Jan 27 20:44:30 yea pretty cool stuff Jan 27 20:45:08 it's weird to be sitting around a bunch of people talking about DEX files and layouts and Views ;) Jan 27 20:45:18 nerds! Jan 27 20:45:20 * Falcon4ever hides Jan 27 20:47:04 Falcon4ever: now you hurt Mike. Shame on you... Jan 27 20:47:23 you.. you MONSTER Jan 27 20:47:24 :( Jan 27 20:47:47 dataforce and nealmcb only were half-nerds Jan 27 20:47:47 im gonna search for a rope :( Jan 27 20:48:06 playing cwboy won´t help Jan 27 20:48:54 ---O Jan 27 20:48:55 dhcpcd is not retrieving dns servers. Any ideas? Jan 27 20:49:05 reboot? Jan 27 20:49:24 not quite Jan 27 20:49:40 Where can I find the source to the builtin apps? Jan 27 20:49:44 Ooooh! Falcon4ever! Jan 27 20:49:50 fIRC still isn't working Jan 27 20:49:55 no shit sherlock Jan 27 20:50:00 ..wow, nice Jan 27 20:50:02 WTF! Jan 27 20:50:10 FYI i already got spammed about it Jan 27 20:50:13 I told you it wasn't working 2 days ago Jan 27 20:50:19 no clue why it isnt working though Jan 27 20:50:25 You gave me some settings to try and told me to tell you if it still wasn't working Jan 27 20:50:31 * Disconnect looks through his files.. nope.. i don't have access to your email, so we DON'T KNOW THAT. Jan 27 20:50:31 yea Jan 27 20:50:52 philtar: got my G1 hooked to debug Jan 27 20:51:00 but i cant find anything strange or suspicious Jan 27 20:51:07 Yes, that's the kind of reply I was expecting Jan 27 20:51:29 its quite weird that it is happening suddenly Jan 27 20:52:29 Is it working for you? Jan 27 20:52:42 yes and it never stopped working :/ Jan 27 20:52:59 do you have a debugger? or the sdk installed Jan 27 20:53:05 Yea Jan 27 20:53:27 It's not giving any errors though Jan 27 20:53:37 It just hangs when it's trying to connect Jan 27 20:53:39 maybe i could send you a debug build and check what it outputs? Jan 27 20:54:14 Ok Jan 27 20:54:22 im just wondering if people arent klined or smth Jan 27 20:56:07 Ummm, Falcon4ever Jan 27 20:56:13 It just worked on its own now Jan 27 20:56:19 o_O Jan 27 20:56:24 I've been trying it several times a day for 5-6 days now Jan 27 20:56:35 And it decided that's its ok to work now Jan 27 20:56:56 * Falcon4ever removes if(rand() > 1) connect(); Jan 27 20:57:16 LOL Jan 27 20:59:58 Well, it's working for blackwinged too Jan 27 21:00:05 yepp Jan 27 21:00:12 Oh, is that you? :P Jan 27 21:00:19 no problems : ) Jan 27 21:00:31 RC30 or ADP1.1? Jan 27 21:00:35 so that doesnt explains why a lot of persons are still having trouble Jan 27 21:00:59 jf 1.4.1 Jan 27 21:02:00 but hum blackwinged: would you still like to test smth? Jan 27 21:02:21 i mean philtar Jan 27 21:02:54 Yes, sure. Jan 27 21:03:07 But you might have to walk me through some stuff Jan 27 21:03:14 * philtar <- Idiot. Jan 27 21:03:16 * Falcon4ever cries Jan 27 21:03:31 Well it depends on what you want me to do, really. Jan 27 21:04:12 just download my apk Jan 27 21:04:20 first send me 5k $ Jan 27 21:04:25 (i'll give a link in a minute, gonna test it here first) Jan 27 21:04:40 and start ddms to check the output (logcat) Jan 27 21:04:42 what does it mean if my ddms wont show up my app's debug info? Jan 27 21:05:02 androoid: are you running it in eclipse? Jan 27 21:05:06 anyone here done SQLite work with android? Jan 27 21:05:06 yeah Jan 27 21:05:18 androoid: i would just close the workspace and restart eclipse Jan 27 21:05:20 i created a db with a table, the db file is there, no sign of the table Jan 27 21:05:27 it sometimes fails here too.. Jan 27 21:05:44 i tried to replug the usb, restart reclipse, that usually works, but now it doesn't Jan 27 21:06:05 then i just rebooted computer, and factory reset the android and still locks up in logcat Jan 27 21:06:22 uninstall and reinstall the plugin? Jan 27 21:06:30 really? Jan 27 21:06:31 ;/ Jan 27 21:06:34 dunno, try it Jan 27 21:07:51 new androidirc release if anyone is so interested? http://countercultured.net/ircbeta.apk Jan 27 21:09:53 is there anyway i can attach it manually? Jan 27 21:10:53 Versed: better then firc? Jan 27 21:11:02 a lot better Jan 27 21:11:43 <`vip> way better Jan 27 21:11:46 is it on andriod market? Jan 27 21:11:55 no Jan 27 21:12:06 k Jan 27 21:12:07 you have to download off the link and install. Jan 27 21:12:15 i can email to myself? Jan 27 21:12:21 multiservers too Jan 27 21:12:25 I guess Jan 27 21:12:31 mikey|: I've had some weird issues with the sqlite not creating tables using ExecSQL. have you tried putting it in a transaction? Jan 27 21:12:33 it steals your pin Jan 27 21:12:37 just email the link and use the g1's browser Jan 27 21:12:49 ya Jan 27 21:12:52 marklar: not yet, I'll give it a try and see if it helps Jan 27 21:13:26 mikey|: I think there was also some bug report about it, might be worth a search Jan 27 21:13:35 will do, thanks Jan 27 21:13:38 np Jan 27 21:14:03 Versed: booooo :P Jan 27 21:14:11 booo what Jan 27 21:14:17 well better than firc :P Jan 27 21:14:37 ok ok Jan 27 21:14:41 what about good ssh client? and am i stupid. but how can i see everything that is running in backround? Jan 27 21:14:52 btw, I have respect, both authors for their ablity. Jan 27 21:15:07 ;P fyi im the author of firc Jan 27 21:15:43 but the link you pasted, is that a custom build? Jan 27 21:15:43 thank you for firc I use it too now and then. Jan 27 21:15:48 yes Jan 27 21:15:50 try it. Jan 27 21:15:59 well without a changelog i wouldnt touch it :p Jan 27 21:16:12 nyt who comes here wrote it, he's mostly on efnet #android Jan 27 21:16:21 ah ok Jan 27 21:16:34 but doesnt he post apk files on google code? Jan 27 21:16:40 he has Jan 27 21:16:46 <`vip> he's an IRCop/Server Admin on Efnet Jan 27 21:16:55 <`vip> there is a 403 forbidden on his google code page atm Jan 27 21:16:58 he's a good guy. Jan 27 21:17:28 hmm strange, yea the google code site seems to be b0rked Jan 27 21:19:38 oups,didnt know that. tx for that app falcon! Jan 27 21:19:47 ;| Jan 27 21:21:47 did any1 try parallel kingdom? Jan 27 21:24:00 Falcon4ever: there is some weird bug in your app, occasionally, it'll try to connect to localhost (despite my settings) and then throw an exception Jan 27 21:24:15 I had some logs saved, but lost them when I formatting my sdcard Jan 27 21:24:33 o_O Jan 27 21:24:46 mikey|: any way i can reproduce that error? Jan 27 21:24:47 that was my reaction as well lol Jan 27 21:25:20 Falcon4ever: I'm not sure, I don't have firc install atm (I used my own app), but I'll see if I can reproduce it later Jan 27 21:25:24 afternoon everyone. Jan 27 21:25:44 i'll pastebin some logs if it crashes Jan 27 21:25:58 ok pastebin or email are fine Jan 27 21:26:03 * mikey| wanders why his alert dialog isn't being shown Jan 27 21:27:11 i had to take out the battery for the ddms to reattach Jan 27 21:27:25 androoid: o_O ... Jan 27 21:27:48 woo!! Jan 27 21:27:59 wifi on x86 port is finally working :P Jan 27 21:28:07 ? Jan 27 21:29:05 famast: youre porting android to x86?? Jan 27 21:29:33 blackwinged: Yep Jan 27 21:30:05 boots off my a flash drive Jan 27 21:30:08 that rocks. my eeepc awaits your release XD Jan 27 21:30:50 eeepc already has the port. Wifi though I'm not aware of anyone else getting it yet though Jan 27 21:31:27 i think up today its only proof of concept... Jan 27 21:33:38 gtg now. its late in europe : ) Jan 27 21:34:18 cya Jan 27 21:34:34 gah, dgAlert is cool, but it repeats nonstop until I answer... eg. it will eventually kill (the battery) if I don't answer it... uh, lame. Jan 27 21:35:11 lol. Jan 27 21:35:52 foo: ...try 'settings' Jan 27 21:36:43 Disconnect: uh, I'm not that stupid. =) (if there was a setting to prevent this, I wouldn't be asking ;)) Jan 27 21:36:48 * foo Disconnect disconnect Jan 27 21:36:51 * foo pokes unix_remote Jan 27 21:38:04 foo: ok. then why do i see "repeating" at the bottom? did you turn that off? Jan 27 21:40:11 foo went quiet all of a sudden... Jan 27 21:40:52 yah i noticed that too Jan 27 21:41:02 ..it'd be better if he hadn't called himself "that stupid" prolly. Jan 27 21:41:49 heh Jan 27 21:42:02 * foo back Jan 27 21:42:04 heh, if you have a feature request^^ Jan 27 21:42:06 Disconnect: yeah, it's unchecked Jan 27 21:42:51 Disconnect: do you use it? if it's unchecked, does it repeat for you? /me scratches head Jan 27 21:42:53 and the dupes aren't coming from somewhere else? between messages, k9sms, dgalert and smspopup its not hard to get multiple notifications for the same thing Jan 27 21:43:06 I only have dgalert Jan 27 21:43:13 the phone notification is disabled Jan 27 21:43:19 weird Jan 27 21:43:21 its not doing that here Jan 27 21:43:53 strange, that's good to know. Excuse the not "that stupid" comment... I know you probably get a lot of people here with different experience levels. my bad Jan 27 21:47:35 Disconnect: do you have any other apps? eg. k9 or sms popup or something? Jan 27 21:47:57 i have all of those. k9sms and smspopup and dgalert. they all do different things. Jan 27 21:48:26 let me try to install those and see what happens, thanks Disconnect Jan 27 21:48:36 i had a great idea! okay, you guys know that app for android that is called freesms or something? it lets you send sms for free Jan 27 21:48:40 freeminutes Jan 27 21:49:45 like, i have limited cell-minutes on my G1, but unlimited locally on my home phone. i hook up my home phone line to my computer, and my phone would make calls through that Jan 27 21:49:53 because i have unlimited net too Jan 27 21:50:45 am i crazy, or is this a possiblity? Jan 27 21:54:54 so, is there a broadcast whenever an sms message is sent? Jan 27 21:55:45 ivantis2, it would be possible if it were possible to use voip on the g1, which is exactly the reason why it isn't Jan 27 21:56:00 like when a phonecall is made Jan 27 22:30:44 I tried couple of onscreen keyboards. nothing is really good. is there a way to have cupcake keyboard now? port or something? Jan 27 22:31:04 i like the one in chompsms Jan 27 22:31:31 is it on market? Jan 27 22:33:38 coderminus: yea Jan 27 22:37:05 ha anything cool with the G1 or android happen in the last ten days? Jan 27 22:37:10 I haven't been keeping up Jan 27 22:37:19 Falcon4ever: I just tried it... not bad. would be sweet if it can be used for other apps though. Jan 27 22:37:49 coderminus: true Jan 27 22:41:50 pressing green button in the very bottom of the phone to accept incoming call is not convenient. it would be nice if some widget on the screen can be used in easy to reach by finger location... Jan 27 22:42:32 does File#lastModified() give the time as a unix timestamp? Jan 27 22:42:58 Coderminus, that would be very nice Jan 27 22:43:10 The green button, is so inconvienent Jan 27 22:43:34 i'll take it that is a no then Jan 27 22:43:54 pohamir: Multitouch Jan 27 22:44:08 on what app? Jan 27 22:44:14 Browser Jan 27 22:44:22 But you have to have a rooted phone Jan 27 22:44:30 ofcourse Jan 27 22:44:36 Do you? Jan 27 22:44:48 i have dev/eng/jf Jan 27 22:45:05 and autorotate browser, do i have to give that up for multitouch? Jan 27 22:45:07 mikey|: don't rely on it, i've seen it not work on the G1 after a file has been modified. Jan 27 22:45:13 Ok well JFv1.41 has multitouch Jan 27 22:45:21 No, the browser comes with MT and autorotate Jan 27 22:45:24 o shi we at 1.41?!? Jan 27 22:45:29 autorotate just has to be turned on Jan 27 22:45:38 in the 1.41 browser Jan 27 22:45:52 herm, i'll have to check it, it's on xda dev? Jan 27 22:45:53 mikey|: sorry I meant setLastModified ;) Jan 27 22:45:56 Uep Jan 27 22:45:59 Yep* Jan 27 22:46:09 okay thanks Jan 27 22:46:12 np Jan 27 22:46:44 i'm having issue with connection to https with sax parser... is this how i do it? http://www.anddev.org/viewtopic.php?p=17158#17158 Jan 27 22:46:49 I heard a rumor that a cupcake update actually wasn't going to be released to G1 owners. Is that true? Jan 27 22:47:18 Does T-mobile have some engineers internally that they have do the builds that they push out with their changes (such as myFaves) or does T-mobile have Google do those builds? Jan 27 22:47:32 savid, no that's crap Jan 27 22:47:53 savid: it just might take a long time since cupcake is the name for the development branch and doesn't refer to any release Jan 27 22:48:10 savid: it wouldnt matter anyway, someone would just release it as an update.zip for g1 Jan 27 22:48:23 tru Jan 27 22:51:59 What's this "JF" you guys are talking about? I guess I've been out of the loop Jan 27 22:53:05 JesusFreke_ releases Jan 27 22:53:34 hmm.. Jan 27 22:53:36 So, whatever happened to cupcake being released in january? Jan 27 22:53:38 * savid looks into it Jan 27 22:53:38 What is the delay? Jan 27 22:53:48 Auctionedllama, that's what I've been wondering Jan 27 22:53:50 Auctionedllama: nobody said cupcake would be releaed in January Jan 27 22:53:53 +s Jan 27 22:54:04 UHm Jan 27 22:54:07 Romainguy, google said it Jan 27 22:54:08 Haha Jan 27 22:54:10 no Jan 27 22:54:14 we never said that Jan 27 22:54:15 I guess it was all rumors? Jan 27 22:54:25 There was a blog post by a developer Jan 27 22:54:41 Let me get you the link mate Jan 27 22:56:54 What we said is that we'd merge the cupcake branch into the master branch in git by January. Jan 27 22:57:15 that's done, right? Jan 27 22:57:19 (and we actually did it in late December - I know, I'm the one who did the work) Jan 27 22:57:25 jbq: sweet, you win. Jan 27 22:57:28 ahead of schedule. Jan 27 22:57:34 ^5. Jan 27 22:57:42 If I wanted to make my own custom version of the messaging app, how would I go about doing that? Jan 27 22:57:49 Well, Michael Martin said it Jan 27 22:57:59 I know that for sure, I'm having trouble finding the link : \ Jan 27 22:58:25 haha this makes look dumb Jan 27 22:58:31 Michael Martin is not a Google employee. Jan 27 22:58:34 Auctionedllama: and who is Michael Martin? Jan 27 22:58:47 This is not an official site: http://www.googleandblog.com/ Jan 27 22:59:14 (not an official Google site, that is) Jan 27 23:00:27 Oh I see Jan 27 23:00:29 Well I'm stupid Jan 27 23:00:40 Ok, well apparently it was just rumors :\ Jan 27 23:00:41 What we said was "The cupcake branch will be merged into the master branch, so that all of the public patches can be used with the new code base. None of the commits in the public repositories will be lost, unless they no longer make sense or are obsoleted by the new code base. Due to the United States' holiday season, though, this may not be finished until early January." (it's still on http://source.android.com/roadmap/cupcake though it's cros Jan 27 23:00:45 Any guesses on release date? Jan 27 23:00:52 Auctionedllama: not for now Jan 27 23:01:34 Auctionedllama: besides, it doesn't depend only on the android team Jan 27 23:01:43 can we set indeterminateProgressBar visibility from another thread? Jan 27 23:02:03 mikey|: no Jan 27 23:02:55 Maybe the google team is inspired by the valve time: http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time :P Jan 27 23:03:21 the G1 was released on October 22nd Jan 27 23:03:24 it was 3 months ago Jan 27 23:03:31 don't be so impatient ;) Jan 27 23:03:56 haha valve time Jan 27 23:04:02 Anyone in here into GMod? Jan 27 23:04:56 haha guess not Jan 27 23:05:00 So, I have a question Jan 27 23:05:16 I didn't release this, but if you have debian installed on your G1, can you run Mobile Ubuntu? Jan 27 23:05:32 *realize Jan 27 23:05:50 Falcon4ever: lol Jan 27 23:06:33 anyone interested in trying my app? Jan 27 23:06:51 downloads tv schedules and stuff Jan 27 23:06:54 from tvrage.com Jan 27 23:07:11 * mikey| kept forgetting when the american shows he watches come on Jan 27 23:08:21 01-27 15:08:07.397: INFO/fail(848): Not trusted server certificate Jan 27 23:08:23 argg Jan 27 23:09:34 mikey|, me Jan 27 23:09:42 alright, sec Jan 27 23:12:30 Falcon4ever: Your IRC client rocks. Jan 27 23:12:42 eldenz: http://69.93.127.152/TvRage.apk Jan 27 23:13:02 it seems quite stable, but written in a couple of hours, so it'll be buggy Jan 27 23:15:47 add fav isn't working yet, right? Jan 27 23:15:53 not yet Jan 27 23:16:02 just getting the basics working atm Jan 27 23:16:21 it caches the schedule btw, you can reload it using the menu Jan 27 23:17:22 Acidulous: thanks :) Jan 27 23:17:23 eldenz: initial thoughts? Jan 27 23:18:16 mikey|, it's a good start.. but i reckon for my purpose it would suffice to know at which future days my fav eps are airing Jan 27 23:18:27 yep, I plan to add that later Jan 27 23:18:45 are those networks from uk? Jan 27 23:18:45 I caught up on Psych 3 days after it aired :o Jan 27 23:18:51 naa, US Jan 27 23:19:00 tvrage allows UK shows as well, gonna add that later Jan 27 23:19:09 Show info is any country I think Jan 27 23:20:58 i'm using spotep.com so far Jan 27 23:21:29 I was looking for a site that has TV show info, tvrage was the best I found Jan 27 23:21:49 it lets you download future dates and show info in a way that needs little parsing Jan 27 23:24:15 menu needs tweaking, I show/hide groups dynamically Jan 27 23:27:56 there is a last.fm update! Jan 27 23:28:21 Guys I'm getting an error and I'm not really sure why it is Jan 27 23:28:25 The import android.content.IntentReceiver cannot be resolved. Jan 27 23:30:18 eldenz: do you know an alternative to lfm ? Jan 27 23:30:37 rzr, no Jan 27 23:30:54 rzr, hm, what exactly are you looking for? Jan 27 23:30:59 the app? or website service? Jan 27 23:31:22 lol cupcake app owns Jan 27 23:32:31 Ah, BroadcastReceiver Jan 27 23:32:40 eldenz: http://www.last.fm/user/rzr_online_fr/journal/2009/01/03/2df9s3_suggest_me_copyleft Jan 27 23:34:30 hmno, i was always happy with lfm Jan 27 23:34:41 so never looked outside the box **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 16 23:03:53 2009