**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 09 10:11:52 2009
Jul 09 10:18:07 <nperry> I love netsplits
Jul 09 10:18:57 <MoonUnit> i thought quakenet was bad for netsplits but freenode is worse imo
Jul 09 10:22:27 <t4c> you never have been in the IRCNet about 9 yrs ago I gues.s
Jul 09 11:01:37 <F4t> hey guys, i just patched up the repo script to stop failing constantly with "fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly"....
Jul 09 11:01:58 <F4t> where do i send patch/whatever?
Jul 09 11:09:33 <kRutOn> http://source.android.com/
Jul 09 11:09:54 <kRutOn> er, tack on /submit-patches
Jul 09 11:13:36 <kRutOn> wait, shouldn't you know this if you're using repo? :-)
Jul 09 11:14:58 <F4t> kRutOn, the bug is in repo itself, which constantly failed the "repo sync"
Jul 09 11:15:35 <F4t> kRutOn, and im not the only one with that problem since i've seen many posts online with no solution...
Jul 09 11:16:08 <F4t> kRutOn, anyway the page you gave me is for submiting patches for android code... after the repo has done its work....
Jul 09 11:22:52 <kRutOn> Yeah, repo is in tools/repo
Jul 09 11:23:04 <kRutOn> It's very meta.
Jul 09 11:25:40 <F4t> ?
Jul 09 11:28:20 <kRutOn> F4t: You might have to create your own manifest file. It appears the default one doesn't download it.
Jul 09 11:28:57 <F4t> ye i'd rather give someone who understands these things the patch and be done with it...
Jul 09 11:29:16 <F4t> i dont intend to mess around with it just for this patch...
Jul 09 11:29:21 <kRutOn> In your source directory, look at .repo/repo
Jul 09 11:30:01 <F4t> the patch is changing subcmds/sync.py
Jul 09 11:30:27 <F4t> .repo/repo/subcmds/sync.py
Jul 09 11:32:00 <kRutOn> There's a file in there called SUBMITTING_PATCHES. It's pretty easy and fun.
Jul 09 11:33:36 <F4t> easy and fun, contributor agreements, ssh keys, all fun and easy..... could you please take the patch and submit it for me?
Jul 09 11:34:23 <F4t> kRutOn, http://pastebin.ca/1489507
Jul 09 11:34:23 <kRutOn> You can put it on one of the paste services like pastie.org, I'll look at it.
Jul 09 11:34:53 <F4t> kRutOn, all it does, is retry the package that failed....
Jul 09 11:35:01 <F4t> instead of sys.exit()
Jul 09 11:35:37 <etoxam> i think Android is wrong way when AspectJ/AspectWerkz/GluonJ is used
Jul 09 11:35:42 <kRutOn> Are you in Europe, by chance?
Jul 09 11:35:52 <F4t> Israel...
Jul 09 11:36:00 <kRutOn> The Europe kernel.org mirror has some problems.
Jul 09 11:36:10 <F4t> kRutOn, i noticed :)
Jul 09 11:36:31 <F4t> anyway, the patch isnt complete... forgot to call fetched.add(project.gitdir)
Jul 09 11:36:33 * tech9iner swoons proud ;] niyice suse article.. Would You Like Linux With Your Jello? July 3rd, 2009  http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/would-you-linux-your-jello
Jul 09 11:38:07 <F4t> kRutOn, now its ok: http://pastebin.ca/1489511
Jul 09 11:39:59 <kRutOn> F4t: http://twitter.com/rootk/status/2107580443
Jul 09 11:41:02 <F4t> kRutOn, ok, but its still annoying if you connection suddenly breaks...
Jul 09 11:41:08 <F4t> your*
Jul 09 11:41:31 <kRutOn> Yes, I agree. The European mirror should be fixed and I thought it would have been by now...
Jul 09 11:42:54 <FreakGuard> sorry to be asking again... but I'm still looking for a way to root a g1 tmobile with firmware v1.5 - did anyone succeed? It doesn't want to boot the RC29/RC7 firmware
Jul 09 11:45:07 <t4c> FreakGuard: the only way is downgrading. Explain won't boot.
Jul 09 11:45:22 <t4c> FreakGuard: you are german? You need a goldcard, join #digital-bit.ch for german help
Jul 09 11:46:20 <F4t> kRutOn, thanks, im out...
Jul 09 11:47:27 <t4c> FreakGuard: ahh and read: https://www.digital-bit.ch/wiki/Deutsches_G1_mit_und_ohne_Wimo_rooten
Jul 09 11:49:03 <FreakGuard> t4c: oh, thanks. that's what I've been looking for :D
Jul 09 11:49:37 <blau-mikeDG> hey in real web gmail, has anyone ever noticed any issues sending only to bcc's?
Jul 09 11:49:41 <blau-mikeDG> i cant find an email i know i sent
Jul 09 11:49:49 <blau-mikeDG> and its drivin gme nuts
Jul 09 11:50:04 <t4c> FreakGuard: and joind the channel :), I need to get some food now. bbl
Jul 09 11:51:30 <blau-mikeDG> oh bah somehow it got totrash
Jul 09 12:07:06 <tauno> does the ADP1 have a "check for updates" option? eg can I manually just trigger an OTA update? (I know there are no automatic updates.. but manual?)
Jul 09 12:10:19 * tech9iner chuckles at prospect of a google / bmw developed 'android for autos' hehe.. http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/putting-linux-behind-wheel
Jul 09 12:13:16 <FreakGuard> how to get that pubkey from connectbot to my machine?
Jul 09 12:40:46 <zelrikriando> hi
Jul 09 12:41:41 <clockwork_alex> hi
Jul 09 12:41:52 <xom|android> ave
Jul 09 12:41:57 <clockwork_alex> i'm really excited about the htc hero
Jul 09 12:42:15 <clockwork_alex> will probably bring android to the masses
Jul 09 12:42:27 <Amorgos> why do you think that?
Jul 09 12:42:46 <clockwork_alex> it's the most iphone-like android phone yet
Jul 09 12:43:07 <FreakGuard> clockwork_alex: if you want an iphone, get an iphone
Jul 09 12:43:35 <clockwork_alex> it's not that, i have an ipod touch already
Jul 09 12:45:01 <Amorgos> yeah that hero looks pretty good. hopefully more companies'll start using android more though
Jul 09 12:46:39 <zelrikriando> what does this command do adb shell flash_image recovery /sdcard/recovery-RAv1.1.1H.img
Jul 09 12:48:55 <clockwork_alex> how easy is it to develop for the android, I know some C and Python can I do something with that?
Jul 09 12:49:45 <nperry> clockwork_alex, You can do python in Android Scripting Enviroment
Jul 09 12:49:59 <nperry> Main apps are java
Jul 09 12:50:10 <clockwork_alex> without much learning to use that scripting environment?
Jul 09 12:50:30 <nperry> Not have a look, http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/
Jul 09 12:50:52 <zelrikriando> what does this command do : adb shell flash_image recovery /sdcard/recovery-RAv1.1.1H.img
Jul 09 12:51:23 <nperry> zelrikriando, Reflashes your recovery image
Jul 09 12:51:43 <nperry> (Recovery = home+power while starting up)
Jul 09 12:52:36 <zelrikriando> nperry: I was wondering that this guide is doing http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=530492
Jul 09 12:52:39 <flo|va-nu-pied> hi all
Jul 09 12:52:46 <zelrikriando> I was trying to root my phone
Jul 09 12:53:48 <clockwork_alex> nperry: yeah it seems easy enough, thanks!
Jul 09 12:53:59 <nperry> the hacked recovery's allow you flash roms
Jul 09 12:54:02 <nperry> and make backups
Jul 09 12:54:03 <zelrikriando> how do I know if my phone has root
Jul 09 12:54:41 <zelrikriando> I got to that green screen
Jul 09 12:54:51 <zelrikriando> and installed an update.zip
Jul 09 12:55:07 <zelrikriando> from there : http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Magic_Rooting
Jul 09 12:56:42 <zelrikriando> nperry: Can you help me, I am still confused
Jul 09 12:57:00 <nperry> Never rooted a magic, as i'm a dream owner.
Jul 09 12:57:07 <t4c> zelrikriando: open terminalemulator and type 'su' then 'id'
Jul 09 12:57:10 <nperry> Which step have you go to?
Jul 09 12:57:25 <zelrikriando> t4c: from where
Jul 09 12:57:32 <t4c> from your phone ^^
Jul 09 12:58:07 <zelrikriando> t4c: where is
Jul 09 12:58:09 <zelrikriando> it
Jul 09 12:58:33 <t4c> open you eyes, if there is none get one from the market
Jul 09 12:58:41 <zelrikriando> ok
Jul 09 12:59:54 <zelrikriando> I am installing one now
Jul 09 13:00:26 <wm_eddie> Android phone comes out Tomorrow in Japan.  Can't wait to get my hands on one.
Jul 09 13:02:06 <zelrikriando> lol the terminals dont support the touch screen
Jul 09 13:02:38 <nperry> Lol :D
Jul 09 13:04:04 <wingless> wm_eddie: which phone?
Jul 09 13:04:22 <wm_eddie> HTC Magic.
Jul 09 13:05:11 <wingless> ok
Jul 09 13:07:34 <Death_Syn> wm_eddie: which carrier?
Jul 09 13:07:42 <Death_Syn> I have a friend in japan desperate for one
Jul 09 13:07:53 <Death_Syn> docomo?
Jul 09 13:08:20 <t4c> YokoOno
Jul 09 13:08:25 <wm_eddie> Yeah
Jul 09 13:08:59 <wm_eddie> I'm currently using the iPhone carrier, but I don't mind getting just a data plan for a smart phone.
Jul 09 13:09:17 <wm_eddie> I miss the power of my treo 650.
Jul 09 13:09:36 <zelrikriando> ok I dont find any terminal emulator that works on the magic
Jul 09 13:10:29 <wm_eddie> Oh no.
Jul 09 13:10:37 <wm_eddie> That's what I wanted the most.
Jul 09 13:10:51 <t4c> zelrikriando: http://www.cyrket.com/package/com.magicandroidapps.betterterm
Jul 09 13:12:19 <Guest77076> hi
Jul 09 13:12:28 <Guest77076> wha's the best way to compile a core application
Jul 09 13:12:39 <Guest77076> anyone done before?
Jul 09 13:13:05 <Amorgos> Guest: what do you mean?
Jul 09 13:13:07 <wm_eddie> core application meaning? Like a replacement C++ library?
Jul 09 13:13:36 <Guest77076> no. the prebundled applicationsç like messaging, email, etc
Jul 09 13:14:01 <Amorgos> those are dalvik compiled apps
Jul 09 13:14:10 <wm_eddie> I haven't messed in that area but it's nothing special.
Jul 09 13:14:17 <wm_eddie> andoid is made for that.
Jul 09 13:14:27 <Guest77076> i know. i am asking for the best workflow
Jul 09 13:14:49 <Guest77076> i can't find a way other duing a full make
Jul 09 13:16:19 <Amorgos> can't you just create a new project in eclipse with the source and go from there?
Jul 09 13:16:22 <KNY> Guest77076, they usually use private APIs so you can't just build them like a normal application
Jul 09 13:17:05 <blau-mikeDG> the easiest way is to do a full platform build
Jul 09 13:19:25 <Guest77076> KNY: make builds them
Jul 09 13:20:16 <Guest77076> Amorgos: http://source.android.com/using-eclipse suggests doing a command line build
Jul 09 13:23:55 <zelrikriando> t4c: so su gives me permission denied :p
Jul 09 13:24:27 <t4c> this is bad
Jul 09 13:26:26 <zelrikriando> I thought I did stuff to have root access
Jul 09 13:29:23 <zelrikriando> gah this is so confusing
Jul 09 13:29:37 <t4c> or try a app that uses rootaccess.
Jul 09 13:29:50 <t4c> overclockingapps or somethin like this
Jul 09 13:30:58 <zelrikriando> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=530492
Jul 09 13:31:09 <zelrikriando> I am still not sure what this does exactly
Jul 09 13:31:22 <zelrikriando> I am kinda following 2 things at the same time
Jul 09 13:31:57 <zelrikriando> I am looking at this one also
Jul 09 13:32:00 <zelrikriando> http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Magic_Rooting
Jul 09 13:34:20 <Radix_> You need to follow this too: http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Magic_Root_Access
Jul 09 13:34:43 <Radix_> it's the second part of the Magic Rooting page
Jul 09 13:35:01 <zelrikriando> Radix_: hey thanks
Jul 09 13:35:15 <zelrikriando> There is more... yes :p
Jul 09 13:35:34 <zelrikriando> Radix_: so far I installed the update.zip under the green screen
Jul 09 13:35:48 <zelrikriando> that recovery screen
Jul 09 13:35:50 <Radix_> you're almost there then ;)
Jul 09 13:35:59 <Radix_> just need the modified su and you're done
Jul 09 13:37:09 <zelrikriando> ok
Jul 09 13:37:31 <zelrikriando> Radix_: stick around ,I am scared lol
Jul 09 13:37:40 <Radix_> hehe..
Jul 09 13:38:20 <Radix_> that wiki page could be rewritten so much easier imho.. but it should work
Jul 09 13:38:38 <Radix_> like all the mount -o remount,rw.. xxxx stuff could be done simply with 'adb remount'
Jul 09 13:40:14 <nperry> Radix_, Then it would need a guide to set up adb as alot of people are scared of adb :P
Jul 09 13:40:36 <zelrikriando> su: not found
Jul 09 13:40:40 <Radix_> but it uses adb in the previous command to bring up adb shell
Jul 09 13:41:52 <zelrikriando> Radix_: it didnt work
Jul 09 13:42:01 <Radix_> you get an error?
Jul 09 13:42:19 <zelrikriando> su: not found
Jul 09 13:42:24 <Radix_> lol
Jul 09 13:42:32 <zelrikriando> and if I do it from the phone it says denied access
Jul 09 13:42:35 <Radix_> did you download it?
Jul 09 13:42:40 <zelrikriando> yeah
Jul 09 13:42:53 <Radix_> and you did 'adb push su /data/local
Jul 09 13:42:58 <zelrikriando> yeah
Jul 09 13:43:15 <Radix_> did you remember 'su'
Jul 09 13:43:15 <zelrikriando> do I have to make it an executable?
Jul 09 13:43:22 <Radix_> to run it after adb shell
Jul 09 13:44:23 <zelrikriando> Radix_: so what next
Jul 09 13:44:45 <Radix_> it sounds like you didn't run 'su' after 'adb shell'
Jul 09 13:45:23 <MuseIT> #zenoss
Jul 09 13:45:28 <Radix_> you can check your permissions in the shell using 'id' too btw
Jul 09 13:45:41 <Radix_> if it says uid 0, gid 0 then you have root
Jul 09 13:46:30 <zelrikriando> uid=0(root) gid=0(root)
Jul 09 13:46:47 <zelrikriando> so why I have root there lol
Jul 09 13:46:52 <zelrikriando> wtf
Jul 09 13:46:55 <Radix_> so u have root
Jul 09 13:47:07 <zelrikriando> now I want to keep root
Jul 09 13:47:43 <Radix_> so by default the su binary that comes with the roms only gives you root if you come in through adb shell
Jul 09 13:48:01 <zelrikriando> ok
Jul 09 13:48:09 <Radix_> if you want it from say a terminal emulator you need to copy the 'su' that's listed on that page and configure it
Jul 09 13:48:39 <zelrikriando> so I just keep following the guide I guess
Jul 09 13:48:40 <Radix_> so if it said access denied before.. try it now that you are root.. you shouldn't get denied anymore
Jul 09 13:48:45 <Radix_> yup
Jul 09 13:49:01 <Radix_> to be honest tho.. root is a bit overrated
Jul 09 13:49:09 <wm_eddie> Yeah, what do you need it for?
Jul 09 13:49:15 <Radix_> and every rom you get nowadays has root given anyway
Jul 09 13:49:35 <Radix_> but I guess it's a learning process.. everyone wants it until they have it and then they don't care so much ;)
Jul 09 13:49:42 <Radix_> it's handy for a few apps
Jul 09 13:49:51 <Radix_> tethering/backups/etc
Jul 09 13:49:58 <zelrikriando> cd: can't cd to /system/xbin
Jul 09 13:50:03 <wm_eddie> Ah tethering is disabled?
Jul 09 13:50:20 <Radix_> wm_eddie: some tethering apps require root, some dont
Jul 09 13:50:27 <wm_eddie> My Treo 650 had tethering.  Why are all the phone companies being so stringy now...
Jul 09 13:51:02 <zelrikriando> Radix_: there is no xbin
Jul 09 13:51:08 <Radix_> zelrikriando: wierd
Jul 09 13:51:22 <zelrikriando> Did I miss a step
Jul 09 13:51:28 <Leeds> I have successfully tethered using just tetherbot over USB
Jul 09 13:51:56 <zelrikriando> there is a bin
Jul 09 13:52:00 <zelrikriando> but no xbin
Jul 09 13:52:55 <wm_eddie> Anyone know if bluetooth keyboards work on Android
Jul 09 13:52:57 <Radix_> what rom is this?
Jul 09 13:53:03 <wm_eddie> I have one lying around somewhere...
Jul 09 13:53:16 <Radix_> wm_eddie: don't think so
Jul 09 13:53:19 <jbq_> wm_eddie: nope (at least not in Google's versions)
Jul 09 13:53:34 <wm_eddie> sucks.
Jul 09 13:53:47 <Macer> i am taking chantix and today is supposed to be the first day i don't smoke a cigarette
Jul 09 13:53:53 <Macer> i feel like i am going to throw up
Jul 09 13:53:53 <Radix_> it'll come.. just give it time
Jul 09 13:54:07 <zelrikriando> Radix_: the default one I guess
Jul 09 13:54:11 <Leeds> wm_eddie: yeah, android sucks
Jul 09 13:54:37 <wm_eddie> Yeah, doesn't hold a candle to my old Newton.
Jul 09 13:54:37 <Radix_> Macer: lol.. you're not going for those new electric cigs - bluecigs.com
Jul 09 13:54:41 <wm_eddie> Now get off my lawn.
Jul 09 13:54:53 <Macer> electric cigs? :)
Jul 09 13:54:55 <Macer> no
Jul 09 13:55:00 <Radix_> your old Newton had bluetooth?
Jul 09 13:55:10 <wm_eddie> Sure why not.
Jul 09 13:55:20 <wm_eddie> My imaginary Newton had everything.
Jul 09 13:55:24 <Macer> newtons were an awesome concept .. but i think too far ahead of their time
Jul 09 13:55:24 <Radix_> Macer: check em out.. they're crazy imho.. but hey
Jul 09 13:55:34 <Death_Syn> i loved newtons
Jul 09 13:55:38 <Radix_> I think you have to be crazy to smoke in the first place
Jul 09 13:55:57 <Macer> Radix_: yeah. been smoking since i was 16
Jul 09 13:56:03 <Macer> i think it's joe camel's fault !!
Jul 09 13:56:10 <Macer> where's my tobacco money?!
Jul 09 13:56:21 <zelrikriando> Radix_: so why I dont have xbin
Jul 09 13:56:36 <Macer> wtf?
Jul 09 13:56:37 <Radix_> zelrikriando: I dunno man.. sorry
Jul 09 13:56:41 <Macer> Radix_: that is different
Jul 09 13:56:44 <Macer> vaporware? :)
Jul 09 13:56:44 <Macer> haha
Jul 09 13:56:59 <Macer> i'll just suck it up and jones out.. the chantix was making me jones anyways
Jul 09 13:57:03 <Radix_> Macer: it's straight nicotine essentially
Jul 09 13:57:10 <AakashPatel> go buy your damn arm book shit lol
Jul 09 13:57:15 <Macer> i had to smoke 3 cigarettes
Jul 09 13:57:18 <Radix_> but without the smoke, ash, etc
Jul 09 13:57:19 <Macer> AakashPatel: i already preordered one ;)
Jul 09 13:57:25 <AakashPatel> :)
Jul 09 13:57:27 <Macer> they are supposed to ship out in a week or 2
Jul 09 13:57:28 <Macer> heh
Jul 09 13:57:39 <Radix_> Ahh.. so that's why you're on edge huh.. lol
Jul 09 13:57:41 <Macer> i'm still on the aspire1
Jul 09 13:57:55 <Macer> Radix_: no. i'm on edge because i woke up and didn't smoke and feel like i'm going to puke
Jul 09 13:58:15 <Macer> my eyeballs hurt and my lugs feel like they don't know how to handle it
Jul 09 13:58:26 <Radix_> cold turkey huh
Jul 09 13:58:27 <Macer> and mind you i have only not smoked for about 10 hours
Jul 09 13:58:35 <AakashPatel> wtf you been smokin pot with formaldehyde in it?
Jul 09 13:58:37 <Macer> Radix_: sort of. i'm taking chantix
Jul 09 13:58:58 <Macer> which i guess is supposed to block the nicotine receptor while making you suicidal
Jul 09 13:59:04 <Macer> (in some cases) :)
Jul 09 13:59:13 <wm_eddie> Chew tobacco, that'll take the edge off.
Jul 09 13:59:22 <Macer> wm_eddie: it wouldn't work
Jul 09 13:59:34 <AakashPatel> Macer: have you tried those blu cigs?
Jul 09 13:59:37 <Macer> you still can smoke when you first start taking it while you take a bunch of smaller pills to build it up
Jul 09 13:59:53 <Macer> by the end of the week it took 3 cigarettes to = 1
Jul 09 14:00:06 <Macer> heh.. it makes it so you don't ge tanything out of smoking
Jul 09 14:00:25 <Macer> no dopamine from nicotine!
Jul 09 14:00:52 <wm_eddie> Do you get it from something else?  Like crack?
Jul 09 14:01:03 <Macer> i went to walgreens a couple weeks ago and bought only a pack of cigarettes and they were $9.35
Jul 09 14:01:11 <Macer> so yeah. i might as well have been smoking crack
Jul 09 14:01:20 <Macer> it's cheaper :)
Jul 09 14:01:21 <wm_eddie> It might be cheaper nowadays.
Jul 09 14:01:48 <_Roman> I have a string stored in the strings.xml file.  How can I go about getting the text out of this string within my code?
Jul 09 14:01:51 <Macer> heh.. i mean that is almost $10 a day.. that is seriously way too high
Jul 09 14:02:12 <Macer> so i went to my doctor and told him to give me anything my insurance will cover so i can quit
Jul 09 14:02:29 <Macer> the pills were $40 after the ins took teh blunt of the hit.. so in 4 days they will have paid for themselves
Jul 09 14:02:43 * Macer is making profit from chantix by lowering lifecost haha
Jul 09 14:03:07 <zelrikriando> Radix_: do I need root access to install a new ROM ?
Jul 09 14:03:50 <KNY> " [...] the ins took teh blunt of the hit.." sounds like a pretty laid-back insurance company ;)
Jul 09 14:03:52 <AakashPatel> hm...can i stream camera output via adb?
Jul 09 14:04:51 <nperry> zelrikriando, No you dont as long as you have a recovery screen (home+power) then you're fine
Jul 09 14:04:53 <Macer> you could on a touch book
Jul 09 14:04:56 <Macer> :)
Jul 09 14:05:00 <AakashPatel> haha
Jul 09 14:05:28 <zelrikriando> nperry: I dont have a xbin directory
Jul 09 14:05:31 <Macer> ok. i'm going to go somewhere and have a pooky cold sweat moment
Jul 09 14:05:32 <zelrikriando> is that normal
Jul 09 14:05:58 <Macer> maybe i'll go in the corner and rock back and forth. i hear that helps
Jul 09 14:06:26 <KNY> Macer, talk to DarkriftX
Jul 09 14:07:24 <Macer> KNY: er. why?
Jul 09 14:07:43 <Macer> did he get a box of touchbooks that fell off a truck? :)
Jul 09 14:13:40 <KNY> Macer, oh, I thought this was in reference to quitting: <Macer> maybe i'll go in the corner and rock back and forth. i hear that helps
Jul 09 14:15:47 <zelrikriando> gah why I cant access to xbin
Jul 09 14:21:36 <Radix_> zelrikriando: nope, you don't need root to install a rom
Jul 09 14:21:58 <zinx> Radix_: you do to install a non-official one
Jul 09 14:22:14 <zinx> Radix_: 'cause you have to have a different recovery image, and for that you need root
Jul 09 14:22:34 <Radix_> you don't need root to fastboot to a recovery image
Jul 09 14:22:42 <Radix_> I never needed it anyway
Jul 09 14:22:55 <zinx> 'to fastboot to a recovery image'?  what?
Jul 09 14:23:17 <Radix_> yes, as in 'fastboot boot recovery.img'
Jul 09 14:23:41 <zinx> that only works on some magics
Jul 09 14:23:48 <Radix_> on some?
Jul 09 14:23:52 <zinx> some.
Jul 09 14:24:00 <zinx> certain SPL versions
Jul 09 14:24:06 <Radix_> every magic does that I thought
Jul 09 14:24:23 <zinx> nah, it works on most of them, but there are apparently some new ones w/ the "problem" fixed
Jul 09 14:24:53 <Radix_> Oh.. fun stuff
Jul 09 14:24:54 <zinx> erh, i should say sapphire
Jul 09 14:25:02 <zinx> it may well work on all the magics :X
Jul 09 14:26:11 <Radix_> anyway.. if he can boot to a recovery rom he can install what he likes prettymuch
Jul 09 14:26:24 <zinx> yup
Jul 09 14:26:28 <Radix_> and zelrikriando has already booted to Amon_RA's recovery
Jul 09 14:26:33 <zinx> oh, well
Jul 09 14:26:39 <zinx> then he doesn't need anything more than that :D
Jul 09 14:26:52 <Radix_> so he's fine.. root's just a badge to collect really
Jul 09 14:27:06 <zinx> ah, it's the MyTouch's you can't boot like that
Jul 09 14:27:48 <Radix_> Ahh.. the mytouch's are screwed anyway.. don't they only have 192MB ram?
Jul 09 14:27:53 <KNY> yes
Jul 09 14:28:02 <zinx> leave it to tmo to cheap out?
Jul 09 14:28:10 <Radix_> another crippled magic then
Jul 09 14:28:14 <KNY> zinx, vodafone europe did too
Jul 09 14:28:31 <Radix_> so did voda australia
Jul 09 14:28:33 <jbq> AFAIK all magics have 192MB, just like dreams.
Jul 09 14:28:42 <Radix_> jbq not true
Jul 09 14:28:43 <KNY> jbq, tell that to everyone that has 288MB RAM
Jul 09 14:28:45 <zelrikriando> jbq not mine
Jul 09 14:28:45 <zinx> jbq: nah, some have 288MB
Jul 09 14:28:51 <zelrikriando> 288 here
Jul 09 14:28:58 <KNY> haha, we all just pounced on jbq hard
Jul 09 14:29:01 <wm_eddie> 288 is a strange number.
Jul 09 14:29:01 <jbq> I said "AFAIK".
Jul 09 14:29:01 <Radix_> all HTC ones have 288MB, all google branded ones have 192MB
Jul 09 14:29:05 <zinx> mind you, this is /total/ ram, i.e., available to the OS and to the radio/video
Jul 09 14:29:10 <KNY> how was your vacation, jbq ?
Jul 09 14:29:19 <jbq> KNY: a long time ago :D
Jul 09 14:29:26 <KNY> hahah, welcome back
Jul 09 14:29:32 <zelrikriando> I noticed I have very similar hardware than the hero
Jul 09 14:29:39 <jbq> (twas good, thx, but 've been dealing with shitstorm after shitstorm since I came back)
Jul 09 14:29:46 <zinx> wm_eddie: yeah... power of 2 * 3*3 rather than the normal no *3 or single *3
Jul 09 14:29:46 <zelrikriando> meaning I could run the Hero stuff easily
Jul 09 14:30:01 <Radix_> zelrikriando: yup.. same specs in everything but the camera and 3.5mm jack
Jul 09 14:30:04 <KNY> wm_eddie, why is it strage? 256+32
Jul 09 14:30:29 <zelrikriando> Radix_: I think the current Hero build has Wifi issues
Jul 09 14:30:31 <zinx> KNY: nah, it's actually 192+96
Jul 09 14:30:40 <wm_eddie> all the N + 32 numbers are pretty strange.
Jul 09 14:30:48 <jbq> It's strange to me because I thought the 7201 had 64MB built-in, not 32MB, and that doesn't quite add up. Oh well, I'm not a HW dude, and if some people have more than 192, great :)
Jul 09 14:31:02 <zinx> KNY: or 192+64+32 or somesuch
Jul 09 14:31:09 <KNY> zinx, that too
Jul 09 14:31:11 <Radix_> zelrikriando: they just need to stabilise and optimise the Hero code a bit - but then HTC did the same thing with their touchflo on winmo.. it sucked at first.. but got better
Jul 09 14:31:14 <zinx> jbq: it's a 7200a
Jul 09 14:31:22 <zelrikriando> Radix_: that Amon Ra recovery, I can use it all the time now?
Jul 09 14:31:23 <Radix_> zelrikriando: my Hero rom doesn't have wifi issues ;)
Jul 09 14:31:26 <zinx> jbq: google's is 7201a
Jul 09 14:31:38 <jbq> zinx: ahhhh, maybe the 7200 has only 32MB, and they had to go for more external RAM as 160 would have been too small.
Jul 09 14:31:54 <KNY> jbq, hell, 192 is too small
Jul 09 14:32:04 <zinx> it is :)
Jul 09 14:32:17 <zinx> but using the SPL with the 90MB/90MB i can get by
Jul 09 14:32:29 <zinx> don't need the steenkin /cache anyway :)
Jul 09 14:32:33 <Radix_> zelrikriando: well if you flashed it using Amon_RA's instructions, sure.. just power on with HOME+Power to get to it.  If you didn't flash it then you can always use fastboot boot to get to it
Jul 09 14:33:16 <zelrikriando> ok
Jul 09 14:33:24 <zelrikriando> I think I didnt flash it
Jul 09 14:33:29 <zelrikriando> I didnt know what it meant
Jul 09 14:33:29 <Radix_> Anyways.. I'm off to bed.. night all
Jul 09 14:33:36 <zelrikriando> so I didnt dare to do it
Jul 09 14:44:21 <zelrikriando> That s funny, I had the SDK before I had the android
Jul 09 14:50:56 <aaronw> Has anyone managed to import contacts (e.g. from a CSV file) without using GMail as an intermediary?
Jul 09 15:11:40 <tsme> Hi there
Jul 09 15:11:50 <tsme> i'm a real noob to java
Jul 09 15:11:58 <tsme> and android developing
Jul 09 15:12:37 <tsme> but does anyone know if it's likely that it will be possible to incorporate flash elements in android apps
Jul 09 15:12:43 <tsme> ?
Jul 09 15:13:16 <mophead> the browser supports some flash, i cant remember what version though
Jul 09 15:13:31 <tsme> yeah i know
Jul 09 15:13:39 <tsme> but I mean appart from the browser
Jul 09 15:13:43 <vol_> you can make a browser based app that uses flash in donut
Jul 09 15:13:58 <vol_> outside of the browser I don't think so, although you can embed the browser in tabs in an app, iirc
Jul 09 15:14:04 <vol_> (or I could be totally wrong, w/e)
Jul 09 15:14:10 <tsme> haha ok
Jul 09 15:14:13 <mophead> yeh, you wouldnt just "put flash in an app" - you'd use the browser view to render the flash
Jul 09 15:14:29 <vol_> putting a flash file in an app is probably a sterling example of "you're doing it wrong" anyway
Jul 09 15:14:40 <tsme> that's actually kinda straightforward :)
Jul 09 15:14:50 <vol_> is there a reason you want to use flash objects, and can't just code it yourself?
Jul 09 15:15:19 <tsme> well i'''ve been doing some flash stuff for quite some time now
Jul 09 15:15:26 <tsme> and i'm a real noob to java
Jul 09 15:15:37 <vol_> tsme: java isn't hard to learn :)
Jul 09 15:15:43 <tsme> i've already got some flash stuff from my company on the shelf
Jul 09 15:16:11 <tsme> so I thought, would there be a way to somehow incorporate these elements in an app
Jul 09 15:16:20 <vol_> probably not easily, if at all.
Jul 09 15:16:40 <sipa1024> performance would be significantly lower than doing it in java, i'd guess
Jul 09 15:16:49 <tsme> it's just simple things like an animated location map and stuff like that
Jul 09 15:16:55 <vol_> yeah, the overhead of using a flash engine inside of a java app would be pretty bad
Jul 09 15:17:02 <sipa1024> but if it's written in flash already, performance isn't such a big issue probably
Jul 09 15:17:50 <vol_> tsme: it might be a little awkward to rewrite things in java, but be aware that java does have pretty great graphics processing capabilities, and android integrates things like freetype for writing along curves, etc.
Jul 09 15:17:57 <tsme> so the "browser method" is that already something i can go and play with or do i have to w8 for donut?
Jul 09 15:18:14 <mophead> this seems to be a reasonably comprehensive tutorial on the web view if you wanna try it: http://developerlife.com/tutorials/?p=369
Jul 09 15:18:14 <vol_> the browser method is you making a webapp and having a browser point to it
Jul 09 15:18:22 <vol_> or a web view element
Jul 09 15:18:28 <tsme> yeah exactly
Jul 09 15:18:33 <vol_> that said, cupcake does not currently support flash
Jul 09 15:18:46 <vol_> you also have the downside of the user needing network access to use your app
Jul 09 15:19:03 <tsme> vol_: You have to know that i;m just a hobbieist with no development background what so ever
Jul 09 15:19:59 <vol_> tsme: then let learning java for android be your hobby for the next two weeks
Jul 09 15:20:28 <tsme> haha fair enough
Jul 09 15:20:44 <tsme> could you recommend a starting point
Jul 09 15:20:45 <tsme> ?
Jul 09 15:21:10 <vol_> http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/
Jul 09 15:21:14 <vol_> these are the sun java tutorials
Jul 09 15:21:24 <vol_> http://developer.android.com/index.html
Jul 09 15:21:30 <vol_> this is the android developers site
Jul 09 15:21:34 <mophead> arf, i saw flash on an android phone the other day, but just checked and it was a hero, and apparently the flash implementation is htc proprietry, so yeh, it aint in cupcake, my mistake
Jul 09 15:21:48 <vol_> you'll need to get the sdk, and you'll really want to use eclipse to do development (but don't necessarily have to)
Jul 09 15:22:02 <vol_> eclipsehttp://www.eclipse.org/downloads/
Jul 09 15:22:11 <vol_> I'd recommend picking up "Eclipse IDE for Java Developers"
Jul 09 15:22:18 <vol_> all of this is free, btw :)
Jul 09 15:22:36 <mophead> but the guy sat next to me said adobe's planning flash support for arm devices sometime around october
Jul 09 15:22:48 <sipa1024> does anyone know if it's possible to run images of real android phones in the emulator?
Jul 09 15:23:05 <lamusic> hi here
Jul 09 15:23:09 <Leeds> sipa1024: not really - the emulator is a virtual hardware platform
Jul 09 15:23:11 <vol_> as far as the sun java tutorials go, you'll want to glance at "getting started" (though it's going to cover java for the desktop rather than android), and read "Learning the Java Language" thoroughly
Jul 09 15:23:30 <vol_> do you know what object oriented code is yet?
Jul 09 15:23:36 <lamusic> One people here, build the 2.6.29 kernel ?
Jul 09 15:23:44 <lamusic> with camera support working ??
Jul 09 15:23:48 <sipa1024> Leeds: i assumed so - and the image will contain drivers specific for its hardware platform, i suppose?
Jul 09 15:24:03 <lamusic> Leeds: hi \o
Jul 09 15:24:06 <Leeds> sipa1024: yes, I believe so... why do you want to do this
Jul 09 15:24:09 <Leeds> lamusic: bonsoir
Jul 09 15:24:20 <lamusic> :)
Jul 09 15:24:21 <sipa1024> Leeds: to try it before i buy something :)
Jul 09 15:24:36 <Leeds> but then why do you need to run the image from a hardware device?
Jul 09 15:25:17 <Leeds> it wouldn't necessarily be representative - things like screen, network/CPU speed wouldn't be accurate
Jul 09 15:25:25 <sipa1024> true
Jul 09 15:25:40 <Leeds> lamusic: I will be in Paris in 10 days :)
Jul 09 15:26:04 <tsme> thanx vol_
Jul 09 15:26:20 <tsme> i do already have the sdk and have been playing around with it a little
Jul 09 15:27:12 <tsme_> wouldn't it be possible to retrieve the .swf file locally thru html --> file:/// etc
Jul 09 15:27:14 <tsme_> ?
Jul 09 15:27:40 <spaztik> http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html
Jul 09 15:27:45 <Leeds> the Android browser, as a matter of policy, doesn't support file: URLs
Jul 09 15:27:56 <tsme_> hmm bummer
Jul 09 15:28:13 <vol_> yeah, for security reasons you can't pull that one
Jul 09 15:28:16 <vol_> trust me, we tried ;)
Jul 09 15:28:48 <lamusic> Leeds: héhé :)
Jul 09 15:33:19 <Ge0rG> how can I add an SSL root cert to the phone so it is accepted by javax.net.ssl as trusted?
Jul 09 15:34:13 * nperry pokes spaztik for gv invite :P
Jul 09 15:49:44 <buleeahn> Once I've got a root'd phone with a custom firmware on it, what is the best way to back up the state of the firmware on the phone?
Jul 09 15:50:13 <Leeds> nandroid
Jul 09 15:52:47 <vol_> ^^
Jul 09 16:03:57 <AakashPatel> hai guise
Jul 09 16:04:12 <AakashPatel> spaztik: wtf is that lol
Jul 09 16:04:19 <AakashPatel> hahha
Jul 09 16:04:32 <AakashPatel> oh man
Jul 09 16:07:43 <NexVision> y would someone wanna run a swap partition of 180mb with a swappiness of 60
Jul 09 16:09:42 <buleeahn> I cannot find nandroid in the market.
Jul 09 16:10:03 <NexVision> didnt know it was in market
Jul 09 16:10:18 <NexVision> i know its in the recovery images by both jf and cyanogen
Jul 09 16:10:31 <AakashPatel> uh its not in the market haha
Jul 09 16:10:34 <AakashPatel> its a recovery image
Jul 09 16:10:35 <buleeahn> Heh, it's not from what I'm looking at now...I just found a post in the androidcommunity.com forum.
Jul 09 16:10:51 <NexVision> ding firast mistake
Jul 09 16:11:08 <buleeahn> Which was the first mistake?  Looking in the market?
Jul 09 16:11:09 <aaronw> Can anyone tell me offhand what bluetooth chip the HTC Dream uses?
Jul 09 16:11:25 <aaronw> Someone posted a labeled picture of the chipset once, but I can't find it.
Jul 09 16:11:29 <NexVision> no on a knock off forum
Jul 09 16:11:35 <NexVision> go to developer thread
Jul 09 16:11:41 <NexVision> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=459830
Jul 09 16:11:58 <buleeahn> Thank you for your help.
Jul 09 16:12:06 <buleeahn> However, how would I know that was a mistake to begin with?
Jul 09 16:12:07 <NexVision> r u running stock rom?
Jul 09 16:12:20 <NexVision> hence y i pointed u in the right direction
Jul 09 16:12:31 <buleeahn> No, not running stock rom.
Jul 09 16:12:43 <NexVision> k then chances r u have jf recovery already
Jul 09 16:12:50 <NexVision> reboot phone holding home button
Jul 09 16:13:00 <NexVision> then u should see the nandroid backup option
Jul 09 16:13:25 <buleeahn> So I have to reboot and go into that in order to create a backup or restore from an existing backup?
Jul 09 16:13:34 <NexVision> to create the backup yes
Jul 09 16:13:41 <NexVision> to restore u have a couple options
Jul 09 16:14:00 <NexVision> u can go to console > via recovery image
Jul 09 16:14:18 <NexVision> u can use a autoscript for windows/linux either via fastboot
Jul 09 16:14:38 <NexVision> or u can use cyanogens 1.3.1 recovery image which has restore in it
Jul 09 16:14:57 <buleeahn> I see.
Jul 09 16:15:08 <buleeahn> Thank yo ufor the info NexVision.
Jul 09 16:15:27 <buleeahn> Is there more info about what you just explained in a wiki somewhere that I can reference for further backup/recovery details?
Jul 09 16:15:31 <NexVision> i use cyanogen its based of off jf so u get all the goodness of jf with a couple added percs
Jul 09 16:15:41 <NexVision> what more info u need
Jul 09 16:16:02 <NexVision> xda has all the info on it
Jul 09 16:16:03 <zinx> does it have a hand warmer feature?
Jul 09 16:16:04 <buleeahn> I'm running 3.6.2 of cyanogen's firmware.
Jul 09 16:16:12 <buleeahn> So I'd just like to find out as much as I can.
Jul 09 16:16:24 <NexVision> im feeling generous though so ill guide u just lemme know exactly what ya need
Jul 09 16:16:31 <NexVision> well xda is a great place
Jul 09 16:16:34 <buleeahn> This may not be possible, but it would be nice to schedule a backup via wifi nightly.
Jul 09 16:16:48 <NexVision> and u wanna upgrade off of 3.6.2 since cy found a problem with it
Jul 09 16:16:54 <buleeahn> Good to know.
Jul 09 16:16:55 <NexVision> not with nandroid
Jul 09 16:17:01 <buleeahn> Ok, no problem...
Jul 09 16:17:06 <buleeahn> but that is a phenomenal segway...
Jul 09 16:17:11 <NexVision> u can try root backup its in the market never tried it
Jul 09 16:17:28 <NexVision> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=518851
Jul 09 16:17:31 <NexVision> hes at 3.6.5
Jul 09 16:17:45 <buleeahn> Can I perform an upgrade to a more recent version of cyanogen *without* losing my desktop shortcut setups?
Jul 09 16:17:59 <buleeahn> I've been dying to ask this since I got 3.6.2 on my phone yesterday.
Jul 09 16:18:00 <NexVision> yeah just dont wipe
Jul 09 16:18:09 <buleeahn> Hrm...ok.
Jul 09 16:18:18 <NexVision> when going within same chef u very rarely need to wipe
Jul 09 16:18:31 <NexVision> when going within same base u rarely need to wipe as well
Jul 09 16:18:32 <buleeahn> That's very good to know.
Jul 09 16:18:48 <NexVision> if u get force closes reboot to recovery and fix exts
Jul 09 16:18:52 <buleeahn> So, just to be on the safe side, I should perform a backup, then perform an upgrade to 3.6.5.
Jul 09 16:18:57 <NexVision> that will fix 90% of issues
Jul 09 16:19:13 <NexVision> u use apps2sd?
Jul 09 16:19:24 <buleeahn> In theory, that would allow me to restore to 3.6.2 and retain all my desktop settings in case the 3.6.5 upgrade went bad?
Jul 09 16:19:37 <NexVision> exactly
Jul 09 16:19:41 <buleeahn> Cool.
Jul 09 16:19:49 <buleeahn> I understand that cyanogen comes bundled with apps2sd, but I'm not sure I've set it up correctly to work.
Jul 09 16:20:00 <buleeahn> I've got the fat32 partition and the ext3 partition on the sdcard.
Jul 09 16:20:10 <NexVision> perfect
Jul 09 16:20:16 <buleeahn> And it seems that the sdcard is being populated with data.
Jul 09 16:20:22 <buleeahn> But I haven't actually verified that yet.
Jul 09 16:20:23 <NexVision> u dont have to set it up as long as u have the partition
Jul 09 16:20:33 <NexVision> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3915123
Jul 09 16:20:42 <NexVision> ^^^^ new recovery image
Jul 09 16:20:44 <buleeahn> That's kind of what I was thinking.
Jul 09 16:20:54 <buleeahn> It seemed to be automated with the firmware build I'm running.
Jul 09 16:21:02 <NexVision> also u can wipe and all ur apps will still be there a wipe will not cleard them
Jul 09 16:21:29 <buleeahn> So how could I verify that *without* first performing  a wipe?
Jul 09 16:21:56 <NexVision> err a couple ways
Jul 09 16:22:25 <NexVision> menu settings sd card and phone storage
Jul 09 16:22:29 <NexVision> will give u a idea
Jul 09 16:22:42 <buleeahn> That will give me card percentage used, I get that.
Jul 09 16:22:48 <NexVision> or u can ls the system/sd/app directory
Jul 09 16:23:03 <NexVision> which will show u the .apks which are ur apps
Jul 09 16:23:13 <buleeahn> Sweet.
Jul 09 16:23:32 <buleeahn> Or, I could mount the ext3 partition and see new apps get dropped into the respective app directory on the card too, right?
Jul 09 16:24:04 <NexVision> er i wouldnt mount it could cause alot of crashes
Jul 09 16:28:40 <buleeahn> Gotcha.
Jul 09 16:36:14 <jasongornall> hey everyone
Jul 09 16:36:44 <jasongornall> what is the easiest way to make a xml parcer for the android?
Jul 09 16:39:23 <blau-mikeDG> make?
Jul 09 16:40:08 <buleeahn> NexVision I'm trying to perform a backup right now, but when I enter the backup by rebooting and holding the home button I have no nandroid backup option.
Jul 09 16:40:18 <buleeahn> NexVision Any idea why?
Jul 09 16:43:16 <perlmonkey2> why would my G1 just keep getting slower and slower.  It is basically insufferable now.
Jul 09 16:43:26 <itp> jasongornall: look at http://developer.android.com/reference/packages.html, toward the bottom of the package list in the top-left frame
Jul 09 16:43:38 <itp> jasongornall: org.xml.sax
Jul 09 16:43:40 <spaztik> what it do guys
Jul 09 16:43:53 <spaztik> perlmonkey2, which rom?
Jul 09 16:43:57 <spaztik> perlmonkey2, and do you reboot ever?
Jul 09 16:44:13 <perlmonkey2> spaztik: TMO 1.5 and almost never reboot
Jul 09 16:44:23 <spaztik> maybe try that?
Jul 09 16:44:35 <spaztik> otherwise, adb shell into it and do a free -m to see if you have memory free
Jul 09 16:44:45 <spaztik> and lastly, you might have a lot of zombied processes running
Jul 09 16:44:50 <perlmonkey2> spaztik: that would be weird.  I never have to reboot my old phones or my linux server.  What kind of OS has to be rebooted often?
Jul 09 16:45:17 <spaztik> well, using the OTA rom you don't have root access, so you don't have access to kill processes
Jul 09 16:45:34 <spaztik> secondly, android is not linux
Jul 09 16:45:37 <spaztik> the platform it's on is
Jul 09 16:46:01 <perlmonkey2> right it is some customized version of a linux environment.
Jul 09 16:46:04 <itp> spaztik: you don't need root to kill processes, you need the appropriate permission
Jul 09 16:46:18 <spaztik> itp, on a retail rom that's effectively the same
Jul 09 16:46:30 <spaztik> it's not necesarially a matter of the OS needing to be rebooted, but rather the applications may not be handling termination properly
Jul 09 16:46:32 <itp> how does advanced task manager do it, then?
Jul 09 16:46:49 <spaztik> not sure, it's closed source :S
Jul 09 16:47:13 <AakashPatel> lol they're linux hax0rs
Jul 09 16:47:43 <perlmonkey2> thought android was supposed to have this great memory, time sharing plan where if something wasn't snappy that had priority, things started getting killed with the lowest priority.
Jul 09 16:47:49 <itp> well, advanced task manager has a permission "System tools -> restart other applications"
Jul 09 16:47:52 <itp> which doesn't require root
Jul 09 16:48:01 <perlmonkey2> so every time my phone hangs, a whole lot of processes should be getting killed off.
Jul 09 16:48:10 <AakashPatel> itp: oh yeah
Jul 09 16:48:12 <AakashPatel> forgot about that
Jul 09 16:48:27 <spaztik> oh i see
Jul 09 16:48:31 <spaztik> i guess that's new in the 1.5?
Jul 09 16:48:34 <AakashPatel> yea
Jul 09 16:48:37 <itp> i think so
Jul 09 16:48:41 <spaztik> i see, makes sense
Jul 09 16:49:04 <spaztik> i thought you meant system permissions, not like framework permissions
Jul 09 16:49:38 <perlmonkey2> maybe I should uninstall all my apps that run background processes.
Jul 09 16:50:08 <spaztik> lol damn i just turned pandora back on my pc and blasted out.. everyone in the office is like "wtf is that?
Jul 09 16:50:08 <spaztik> "
Jul 09 16:50:21 <spaztik> perlmonkey2, that's no a bad idea.. i know i do
Jul 09 16:50:29 <spaztik> or i manage which i have running
Jul 09 16:50:33 <spaztik> say like IM or twitter
Jul 09 16:50:37 <perlmonkey2> power saver, itweet, weather widget, and the default google/messaging stuff.
Jul 09 16:50:45 <spaztik> btw, i figured how to rip music off pandora on the pc if anyone's interested :D
Jul 09 16:50:48 <perlmonkey2> you wouldn't think that would kill performance.
Jul 09 16:51:00 <spaztik> well it has to keep everything active :S
Jul 09 16:51:26 <perlmonkey2> they are background processes that should need a few microseconds of cpu every few minutes or so.
Jul 09 16:51:33 <perlmonkey2> actually they listen for events
Jul 09 16:51:39 <spaztik> depends on what it is
Jul 09 16:51:46 <spaztik> but IM i would assume is a push technology
Jul 09 16:51:47 <perlmonkey2> so as long as there is ram for them, it shoudln't matter how many I have going on.
Jul 09 16:51:51 <itp> the only app i had huge problems with was google's scoreboard app, actually
Jul 09 16:52:00 <perlmonkey2> spaztik: don't use IM on the phone.
Jul 09 16:52:01 <itp> that brutalized my phone's responsiveness
Jul 09 16:52:34 <itp> but i have twidroid running, youmail, logged into IM, etc. with no responsiveness problems
Jul 09 16:52:37 <perlmonkey2> but power saver used to respond isntantly to a power changing event.  Now it can take 15 seconds.
Jul 09 16:52:50 <spaztik> i think part of the problem with the hero roms is that the widgets are destroyed and rebuilt each time you leave and return to the home screen
Jul 09 16:53:10 <RyeBrye> Yeah, that's a major time suck
Jul 09 16:53:17 <RyeBrye> (the widget destroy / recreate)
Jul 09 16:53:21 <perlmonkey2> after a reboot it is snappy again.  Some POS app is leaving it's crap uncleaned.
Jul 09 16:53:32 <spaztik> all i can immediately suggest without changing your system is a reboot
Jul 09 16:53:35 <spaztik> there ya go
Jul 09 16:53:54 <spaztik> there used to be a demo of the adv. task mgr, but it expired, and i dunno if he keeps producing new demos or not
Jul 09 16:54:03 <spaztik> otherwise you can always shell into it and do a ps aux
Jul 09 16:54:17 <perlmonkey2> can't believe I'm going to have to reboot my phone regularly
Jul 09 16:54:17 <spaztik> bbiab, gotta do some work :S
Jul 09 16:54:27 <spaztik> you may not need to
Jul 09 16:54:37 <spaztik> you might just need to watch which apps you have running
Jul 09 16:54:48 <languish> is there a google voice app for android/g1 yet?
Jul 09 16:54:48 <spaztik> also you can go into the application settings and do a force close there
Jul 09 16:55:06 <perlmonkey2> spaztik: I don't leave anything running.  itweet and power manager and I guess the weather widget
Jul 09 16:55:13 <itp> languish: nothing official, but search the market for "GV"
Jul 09 16:55:20 <languish> itp, thanks
Jul 09 16:55:39 <spaztik> how about gps and wifi?
Jul 09 16:55:42 <perlmonkey2> spaztik: yeah I guess the next time it is lagish start force closing and then check if that improves it.  once the offender is found, nuke it.
Jul 09 16:55:49 <perlmonkey2> spaztik: yeah, I leave gps and wifi on.
Jul 09 16:56:00 <spaztik> i've noticed with gps specifically on some things kinda hang
Jul 09 16:56:03 <perlmonkey2> you telling me that will slowly grind down performance?
Jul 09 16:56:10 <spaztik> like when i go to and from maps repeatedly it seems to slow it down
Jul 09 16:56:11 <perlmonkey2> cause it's on now and things are snappy
Jul 09 16:56:26 <spaztik> i'm partially talking out of my ass, i have no metrics to speak of
Jul 09 16:57:02 <newsai> is there any way to access app store without having an android phone.. (like through the emulator??)
Jul 09 16:57:14 <spaztik> newsai, www.cyrket.com
Jul 09 16:57:16 <spaztik> ok for real, bbl
Jul 09 16:57:18 <blau-mikeDG> cyrket.com is the closest i know of
Jul 09 16:58:17 <perlmonkey2> now I'm not sure if I want to get my wife a G1.  It was pretty close between the Iphone, but I'd be able to easily write apps for us on the G1.  But if it is lagging, am I paging to my non-replaceable flash rom on the phone?
Jul 09 16:59:05 <newsai> thanks spaztik (and blau-mikeDG)
Jul 09 17:00:19 <perlmonkey2> What happens when android runs out of ram?
Jul 09 17:00:49 <perlmonkey2> If it gets a request for memory it can't fill, shoudln't it kill off a low priority process?  Or does it just start paging?
Jul 09 17:02:07 <Bicster> cyrket sucks. androlib ftw
Jul 09 17:02:20 <Bicster> well, nothing wrong with cyrket but it's slow
Jul 09 17:04:05 <tharvey> I'm investigating writing an app that would run on a G1 - can I use gstreamer and how would I access the touchscreen for events?  I'm not clear what windowing system android uses
Jul 09 17:04:23 <Bicster> it uses android :)
Jul 09 17:04:43 <buleeahn> For some reason, the accelerometer doesn't seem to be working on my G1.
Jul 09 17:04:52 <buleeahn> I keep looking for the setting to enable or disable it, but can't find it.
Jul 09 17:04:53 <Bicster> download the free sdk and set it up, tharvey. It comes with an emulator
Jul 09 17:04:55 <buleeahn> Any ideas?
Jul 09 17:05:24 <tharvey> ok, I'll check out the sdk then - I realize G1 uses android, just trying to learn how android is diff from standard linux
Jul 09 17:05:36 <Bicster> tharvey, linux is not exposed to app developers
Jul 09 17:05:45 <Bicster> generally speaking
Jul 09 17:05:51 <spaztik> perlmonkey2, no paging
Jul 09 17:06:03 <spaztik> perlmonkey2, if it's out of ram it stops allowing background processing
Jul 09 17:06:20 <spaztik> buleeahn, no option to enable/disable accelerometer
Jul 09 17:06:39 <Bicster> accelerometer could be broken or perhaps the app didn't request permission to use it
Jul 09 17:06:45 <perlmonkey2> spaztik: then what is going on when it is sluggish?  You'd think after a few background processes had been killed, or non-open apps, things would speed back up?
Jul 09 17:06:58 <Bicster> everyone see the video of sony ericsson's new android UI? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UwcVlF5EUM
Jul 09 17:07:10 <spaztik> you'd have to analyze the system at that point; it woudl require logging into the phone via adb
Jul 09 17:07:17 <buleeahn> I've got two apps that used accelerometer input to work before I root'd my G1, now apps that use accelerometer don't work.  This makes no sense.
Jul 09 17:07:23 <vol_> Bicster: speak for yourself about not being available
Jul 09 17:07:33 <vol_> tharvey: you can developer shared libs and then use JNI to communicate with them
Jul 09 17:07:34 <Bicster> vol_, ?
Jul 09 17:07:44 <vol_> the shared libs can do regular linux system calls, etc.
Jul 09 17:07:46 <perlmonkey2> I need something like htop so I can see process counts, mem usage, and cpu type of usage.
Jul 09 17:08:04 <Bicster> vol_, sure, but I did say "generally" - most people won't use that
Jul 09 17:08:16 <spaztik> ps | wc -l :::: free -m :::: cat /proc/cpuinfo
Jul 09 17:08:37 <perlmonkey2> spaztik: I can open a term on a non-rooted phoen?
Jul 09 17:08:46 <spaztik> no, but you can adb in i believe
Jul 09 17:09:14 <buleeahn> What all does a wipe delete from my phone?
Jul 09 17:09:20 <Qwell> buleeahn: everything
Jul 09 17:09:23 <perlmonkey2> spaztik: interesting, never had the dev tools connected to my phone.  Have to give it a shot
Jul 09 17:09:32 <buleeahn> Contacts, call history, desktop setup?  Everything?
Jul 09 17:09:37 <Qwell> yes
Jul 09 17:09:39 <Qwell> well..
Jul 09 17:09:45 <Qwell> contacts are synced, so those would come back
Jul 09 17:10:21 <Qwell> apps that have been downloaded would be deleted too (though the market would still have a record of "purchased" apps)
Jul 09 17:10:38 <spaztik> another good thing to look at is adb logcat, outputs your kernel msgs
Jul 09 17:10:51 <spaztik> you'll see all the exceptions, warnings, etc
Jul 09 17:10:58 <perlmonkey2> spaztik: next time it gets sluggish I'll do that.
Jul 09 17:11:31 <buleeahn> I know what nandroid does, but is there an app that backs up all the other data on the phone?
Jul 09 17:11:34 <perlmonkey2> for now I need to get my arse to writing some unit tests if I want to finish this contract :P
Jul 09 17:12:40 <buleeahn> ooh, unit tests
Jul 09 17:12:41 <buleeahn> fun
Jul 09 17:13:52 <buleeahn> Anyone here use mybackup?
Jul 09 17:13:54 <perlmonkey2> buleeahn: probably should have been written before I completed the project, but better late than never.
Jul 09 17:15:21 <buleeahn> A wipe just wipes the phone data...but it leaves the firmware intact, right?
Jul 09 17:16:50 <romainguy> yes
Jul 09 17:16:54 <buleeahn> thx
Jul 09 17:28:33 <Macer> hm
Jul 09 17:28:55 <Macer> my friendgirl is selling this aspire one for 150
Jul 09 17:28:59 <Macer> so i bought it from her :)
Jul 09 17:29:03 <Macer> might as well.. that's pretty cheap
Jul 09 17:29:03 <Macer> haha
Jul 09 17:30:38 <buleeahn> A wipe seemed to fix the broken accelerometer, but now some of my apps that were installed keep having getting forced closed.
Jul 09 17:30:50 <buleeahn> Any way to reinstall apps that are purchased without buying them again?
Jul 09 17:31:07 <mmattice> buleeahn: try "my downloads" in the market
Jul 09 17:56:02 <buleeahn> What is recovery mode?
Jul 09 18:03:12 <AakashPatel> This the mode you recover your phone in
Jul 09 18:03:19 <AakashPatel> This/Its
Jul 09 18:04:17 <AakashPatel> If you loose it, you switch it into recovery mode and it finds you
Jul 09 18:11:45 <AakashPatel> (i hope you know im joking)
Jul 09 18:13:25 <Haraken> bahaha
Jul 09 18:13:33 <Haraken> i had the most gratifying thing happen this morning
Jul 09 18:13:48 <Haraken> those punks who have been calling me at 8:05 on the dot every morning for the last week called again
Jul 09 18:14:03 <Haraken> except this time they were on my forward to voicemail and trapcalls blocklist
Jul 09 18:14:16 <Haraken> needless to say I wasn't woken up and they hopefully got the message
Jul 09 18:14:45 <Haraken> i take that back, my room mate's cat still woke me up... gotta figure out how to get that cat to be quiet!
Jul 09 18:14:58 <x29a> hey there, a quick question, how would i get apps from the market into the emulator?
Jul 09 18:15:01 <x29a> not at all?
Jul 09 18:15:08 <languish> The best way to shut a pussy up is tyo stuff it
Jul 09 18:15:11 <languish> *to
Jul 09 18:15:16 <buleeahn> I know you're joking.
Jul 09 18:15:30 <buleeahn> but I can't seem to get into recovery mode, and I can't seem to initiate a nandroid backup.
Jul 09 18:15:37 <Haraken> x29a, copy the apk file?
Jul 09 18:15:52 <x29a> Haraken: yeah, but how do i get hold of the .apk?
Jul 09 18:16:03 <languish> x29a some of the apps in the market are freely available to download elsewhere
Jul 09 18:16:48 <Haraken> hm I think they are in /system/apps
Jul 09 18:16:50 <languish> if you have a rooted device, it's easy to copy the apk's
Jul 09 18:16:59 <Haraken> if you have apps2sd then they are /system/sd/apps or something
Jul 09 18:17:20 <snadge> howdy doody from the isle of men
Jul 09 18:17:26 <Haraken> snadge, gross
Jul 09 18:17:34 <Haraken> :P
Jul 09 18:17:34 <snadge> well its the isle of man really
Jul 09 18:17:35 <languish> Haraken, it's a real place
Jul 09 18:17:39 <Haraken> oh
Jul 09 18:17:40 <Haraken> hah
Jul 09 18:17:41 <Haraken> sorry
Jul 09 18:17:42 <snadge> but that would imply that theres only one man here which is incorrect
Jul 09 18:19:01 <Haraken> holy crap
Jul 09 18:19:13 <Haraken> who came up with that name, do you guys have no women
Jul 09 18:19:24 <Haraken> i found you on the map, i really thought it was a sick joke
Jul 09 18:19:29 <snadge> i dont know, im australian.. the isle of man has a lot of history
Jul 09 18:19:39 <snadge> its sort of part of england, but dont say that out loud or you'll get bashed
Jul 09 18:19:40 <snadge> ;P
Jul 09 18:19:50 <Haraken> hah
Jul 09 18:20:03 <itp> i don't get how it would be a "sick joke"
Jul 09 18:20:15 <Haraken> because, no women?
Jul 09 18:20:17 <snadge> the currency is the manx pound.. like scotland has scottish pound, and northern island.. and gournsey and jersey
Jul 09 18:20:32 <snadge> its surprising how little people know about the channel islands.. (no not really) ;)
Jul 09 18:21:04 <snadge> island? lol ireland
Jul 09 18:21:17 <snadge> jetlag :/
Jul 09 18:21:51 <x29a> languish, Haraken: yes, rooted device, but didnt find any of my installed apps in /system/apps, only basic google stuff
Jul 09 18:22:19 <Haraken> are they private apps?
Jul 09 18:22:32 <Haraken> check /system/private :P
Jul 09 18:22:47 <Haraken> or just do find / -iname '*.apk'
Jul 09 18:22:58 <x29a> yeah find didnt help me either
Jul 09 18:22:59 <Haraken> that'll give you all the directories they are hiding in :)
Jul 09 18:23:08 <Haraken> the find command should have
Jul 09 18:23:23 <x29a> hm, ok, i see that i went the right ways, maybe not deep enough
Jul 09 18:23:40 <x29a> thought there might be a "oh just go to /hereAreYourApk and copy them"
Jul 09 18:24:01 <Haraken> well that's basically all it is :/
Jul 09 18:24:14 <lamusic> there is a google android kernel developper here ? please
Jul 09 18:24:22 <lamusic> i have one simply question
Jul 09 18:25:47 <lamusic> or one people know the way, for build the 2.6.29 with camera working ...
Jul 09 18:25:48 <x29a> just ask it
Jul 09 18:26:33 <lamusic> because the camera not working on 2.6.29 tree ... but it's normally, are in coding ... the new
Jul 09 18:28:31 <Maxpower57> I'm slowly beginning to hate htc
Jul 09 18:29:34 <blau-mikeDG> lol y
Jul 09 18:30:05 <Maxpower57> I've gotten two defective Dream phones in a row
Jul 09 18:30:30 <blau-mikeDG> maybe its a defective user?
Jul 09 18:31:08 <KNY> look who's talking, blau-mikeDG ;-)
Jul 09 18:31:32 <blau-mikeDG> my pre works fine :{
Jul 09 18:31:32 <blau-mikeDG> :P
Jul 09 18:32:44 <Maxpower57> once is bad luck, twice is bad manufacturing.
Jul 09 18:33:05 <Maxpower57> I still just can't stand the pre
Jul 09 18:34:12 <Maxpower57> Hey wait, are you "MikeDG" from the Market apps android?
Jul 09 18:35:32 <Maxpower57> THE mikeDG :P
Jul 09 18:36:05 <Damme> yay! just got my new 2300mAh batt for the g1 :)
Jul 09 18:37:04 <blau-mikeDG> i got 2600
Jul 09 18:37:06 <blau-mikeDG> beat that
Jul 09 18:37:09 <blau-mikeDG> maxpower: yes i am
Jul 09 18:37:11 <Maxpower57> nice, I've just managed to accumulate 3 spare batteries from all the phones I've gone through
Jul 09 18:37:23 <blau-mikeDG> i am THE mike dg :)
Jul 09 18:37:29 <Maxpower57> Cool, I love your apps.
Jul 09 18:38:14 <blau-mikeDG> thanks dude
Jul 09 18:38:39 <blau-mikeDG> http://webos.mikedg.com for a webos preview! see what your missing with android :P
Jul 09 18:40:18 <Haraken> Damme, is that a brick in your pocket or are you just happy to see us?
Jul 09 18:40:21 <Haraken> XD
Jul 09 18:40:28 <Maxpower57> ah, you couldn't pay me to go back to sprint though
Jul 09 18:40:39 <Damme> Haraken :D
Jul 09 18:40:42 <blau-mikeDG> sprint is pretty bad
Jul 09 18:40:52 <grey-> oh yeah.
Jul 09 18:40:54 <blau-mikeDG> and pre reception is bad too :(
Jul 09 18:40:57 <grey-> pre is pretty leet tho.
Jul 09 18:40:59 <AakashPatel> blau-mikeDG: ill wait till i can get a GSM pre ;)
Jul 09 18:41:24 <Maxpower57> Why does sprint still think its okay to not use GSM :P
Jul 09 18:41:25 <blau-mikeDG> for funsies i tried using my iphone this past weekend
Jul 09 18:41:41 <Gelb> blau-mikeDG: how is it to develop for webos, compared to android?
Jul 09 18:41:45 <blau-mikeDG> i dont understand how people could use it, its soooo slow to switch between apps
Jul 09 18:41:56 <FreakGuard> how to make a net android <=> laptop (laptop as gateway)
Jul 09 18:41:57 <blau-mikeDG> webos is more fun!
Jul 09 18:42:06 <AakashPatel> haha
Jul 09 18:42:08 <AakashPatel> really?
Jul 09 18:42:19 <AakashPatel> if you had a choice andorid, or webos
Jul 09 18:42:19 <Gelb> blau-mikeDG: is the documentation useable?
Jul 09 18:42:20 <blau-mikeDG> javascript lets you do some real weird shit imo
Jul 09 18:42:31 <blau-mikeDG> gelb: the documentation is abyssmal
Jul 09 18:42:41 <blau-mikeDG> android has it beat hands down in IDE integration and documentation
Jul 09 18:42:57 <AakashPatel> im talkin about the OS ;)
Jul 09 18:43:00 <blau-mikeDG> i like the widgets on pre better, list view swiping and reordering is dazzling
Jul 09 18:43:01 <AakashPatel> not dev'ing for it
Jul 09 18:43:31 <blau-mikeDG> i like the whole card idea with webos
Jul 09 18:43:33 <Gelb> I think I will apply for the webos-sdk tomorrow...
Jul 09 18:43:39 <AakashPatel> i already have
Jul 09 18:43:41 <blau-mikeDG> makes it easier to use a pc workflow
Jul 09 18:43:41 <AakashPatel> you wont get it lol
Jul 09 18:44:04 <blau-mikeDG> im not a big fan of the hardware though on the pre
Jul 09 18:44:13 <blau-mikeDG> android did it right with so many hard buttons
Jul 09 18:44:15 <Gelb> blau-mikeDG: yes, what I saw seems to be very interesting. is the webos-simulator of the sdk good?
Jul 09 18:44:34 <blau-mikeDG> the pre has the volume and 1 hard button (which is redundent sinc eit does the same thing as a swipe)
Jul 09 18:44:40 <AakashPatel> Hm, do they have on for OS X yet?
Jul 09 18:44:53 <blau-mikeDG> simulator is fantastic, they also have a web server to let you run stuff in safari 4
Jul 09 18:45:05 <blau-mikeDG> sdk is available for osx, linux and pc like android
Jul 09 18:45:08 <AakashPatel> err do they have the sdk for os x yet*
Jul 09 18:45:17 <AakashPatel> blau-mikeDG: *cough* wanna lend me it
Jul 09 18:45:19 <AakashPatel> :P
Jul 09 18:45:32 <AakashPatel> ;)
Jul 09 18:45:34 <Gelb> blau-mikeDG: perfect. do you know if it is possible to buy a phone for developers from palm? it will take months till the pre comes to europe, and only using the emulator would be very boring.
Jul 09 18:45:52 <blau-mikeDG> gelb: it usually is possible, at least for treos and centros
Jul 09 18:46:14 <blau-mikeDG> give it a bit for palm to catch up with end user sales and i think youll see developer sales soon
Jul 09 18:46:35 * AakashPatel awaits his link for downloading os x sdk
Jul 09 18:46:45 <Gelb> blau-mikeDG: good, that sounds promising. thanks for answering my questions.
Jul 09 18:46:50 <blau-mikeDG> aakash: its floating around torrents
Jul 09 18:47:04 <AakashPatel> i can never get torrents to download fast
Jul 09 18:47:11 <AakashPatel> i mean *never*
Jul 09 18:49:07 <FreakGuard> would it be possible to boot a pc via android?
Jul 09 18:49:17 <AakashPatel> ?
Jul 09 18:49:21 <AakashPatel> as in like a LOM?
Jul 09 18:49:28 <blau-mikeDG> i think it used to be
Jul 09 18:49:38 <blau-mikeDG> errr i mean with a g1
Jul 09 18:49:42 <blau-mikeDG> not actual android
Jul 09 18:49:57 <AakashPatel> is he talkin about that wake up via ethernet thing?
Jul 09 18:50:09 <FreakGuard> nah, usb-bootloader
Jul 09 18:52:39 <Maxpower57> I wish the Hero had a keyboard
Jul 09 18:54:22 <grey-> I wish * had a keyboard.
Jul 09 18:54:27 <grey-> stupid osk's.
Jul 09 18:54:32 <grey-> I mean, there are good osk's too.
Jul 09 18:54:47 <AakashPatel> that HTC IME
Jul 09 18:54:50 <AakashPatel> is great
Jul 09 18:54:55 <grey-> so I hear.
Jul 09 18:55:00 <grey-> also... is closed sores, no?
Jul 09 18:55:05 <AakashPatel> yea
Jul 09 18:55:09 <AakashPatel> what?
Jul 09 18:55:09 <FreakGuard> how to read the cid from a linux machine?
Jul 09 18:55:10 <AakashPatel> sores?haha
Jul 09 18:55:28 <grey-> open sores, closed sores.
Jul 09 18:55:34 <grey-> srs business. ;)
Jul 09 18:59:55 <AakashPatel> haha
Jul 09 19:03:04 <bnovc> is it possible to add a "Select All" option to a ListPreference? (seems like theres more people here than #android-dev atm)
Jul 09 19:07:04 <Damme> http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/07/08/new-images-of-sony-ericsson-rachael-and-kiki-surface-along-with-a-rachael-ui-video/ cool
Jul 09 19:07:56 <AakashPatel> I saw those yesterday! lol
Jul 09 19:08:33 <Maxpower57> what do you think the odds of the GPS just being locked on rogers phones.. Im still having a hard time believing that I've recieved two of these broken phones.
Jul 09 19:08:35 <bnovc> guess its not possible :\
Jul 09 19:08:44 <AakashPatel> ask in -dev
Jul 09 19:08:56 <Maxpower57> me?
Jul 09 19:08:58 <AakashPatel> omfg....30megapixel camera
Jul 09 19:09:05 <AakashPatel> Maxpower57: nah, bnovc
Jul 09 19:09:13 <Maxpower57> gotcha
Jul 09 19:09:39 <bnovc> i did before
Jul 09 19:10:00 <AakashPatel> do it again! lol
Jul 09 19:10:24 <AakashPatel> I wonder which carrier will get the Hero
Jul 09 19:10:34 <NexVision> att im pretty sure
Jul 09 19:10:55 <AakashPatel> sweet :D
Jul 09 19:12:45 <blau-mikeDG> webstartupgroupStartupNews: Homomorphic Encryption Breakthrough http://bit.ly/ikZyH
Jul 09 19:12:51 <grey-> I need a hero.
Jul 09 19:12:52 <blau-mikeDG> first i read that as homoerotic encryption
Jul 09 19:12:59 <grey-> (insert rest of lyrics)
Jul 09 19:13:00 <blau-mikeDG> then homomoronic encryption
Jul 09 19:13:08 <blau-mikeDG> sigh
Jul 09 19:16:02 <AakashPatel> wtf
Jul 09 19:16:04 <AakashPatel> homoerotic?
Jul 09 19:21:59 <Macer> it must be rather impossible to make a realistic browser in android huh? :)
Jul 09 19:22:06 <Macer> everything has to be hardcore mobile and what not?
Jul 09 19:22:23 <AakashPatel> lol
Jul 09 19:24:53 <ivantis> I'm really annoyed with how slow and shitty my phone is. When will android become more stable?
Jul 09 19:26:37 <AakashPatel> o.o
Jul 09 19:26:40 <AakashPatel> dude
Jul 09 19:26:42 <AakashPatel> i know
Jul 09 19:26:44 <AakashPatel> it sucks ballz
Jul 09 19:29:42 <vol_> ivantis: nevar
Jul 09 19:29:56 <dkr> ivantis: when you upgrade to chrome os
Jul 09 19:30:01 <buleeahn> I have found the key to speeding up a slow phone.
Jul 09 19:30:05 <vol_> btw, does chown actually work for anyone?
Jul 09 19:30:12 <vol_> buleeahn: throwing it out of a window?
Jul 09 19:30:18 <buleeahn> Drop it out the open window of a car while moving down a highway.
Jul 09 19:30:20 <buleeahn> EXACTLY.
Jul 09 19:30:32 <ivantis> I'm on the highway
Jul 09 19:30:35 <AakashPatel> haha
Jul 09 19:30:38 <vol_> I'm on a boat
Jul 09 19:30:40 <ivantis> Mabe I should try it
Jul 09 19:30:44 <AakashPatel> LOL vol_
Jul 09 19:30:57 <AakashPatel> that reminds me of that song
Jul 09 19:31:41 <vol_> this is as real as it gets
Jul 09 19:32:04 <AakashPatel> im ridin dolphins, doin flips and shit
Jul 09 19:32:14 <vol_> poseidon, look at me now!
Jul 09 19:32:26 <AakashPatel> i f*cked a mermaid
Jul 09 19:32:35 <BeBoo_> O.o
Jul 09 19:32:52 <AakashPatel> i never thought id be on a boaatttt its a big blue watery roadddd
Jul 09 19:33:16 <AakashPatel> BeBoo_: Have you heard it before?
Jul 09 19:33:17 <AakashPatel> The song?
Jul 09 19:33:38 <BeBoo_> probably have just not sure what it is
Jul 09 19:34:09 <AakashPatel> http://www.hulu.com/watch/56632/saturday-night-live-digital-short-im-on-a-boat#s-p1-st-i1
Jul 09 19:34:12 <AakashPatel> that one lol
Jul 09 19:34:29 <BeBoo_> good ol' SNL
Jul 09 19:35:36 <Macer> AakashPatel: i mean for the most part the stuff workks
Jul 09 19:35:49 <Macer> but like.. it would be nice to have a mobile browser that could support ajax correctly
Jul 09 19:35:50 <BeBoo_> AakashPatel: loL
Jul 09 19:35:59 <Macer> but i suppose ajax sucks up all the meager ram in mobile devices
Jul 09 19:36:09 <BeBoo_> not a bad song
Jul 09 19:36:24 <Macer> maybe they should put more ram in the things and have it switch on and off according to which apps are running :)
Jul 09 19:36:34 <Macer> on the fly addressing or something
Jul 09 19:36:59 <Macer> so the browsers for mobile devices don't always have to suck
Jul 09 19:37:22 <Macer> i bet an iphone gs can use ajax!
Jul 09 19:37:29 <Macer> haha
Jul 09 19:37:29 <vol_> mobile devices absolutely need more memory
Jul 09 19:37:39 <vol_> Macer: android does ajax.
Jul 09 19:37:40 <itp> Macer: what do you mean "use ajax"?
Jul 09 19:37:59 <itp> what vol_ said
Jul 09 19:37:59 <Macer> vol_: well. maybe it depends on the site
Jul 09 19:38:02 <Macer> heh
Jul 09 19:38:14 <Macer> like using the zimbra ajax interface will blow a phone up
Jul 09 19:38:30 <vol_> Macer: fancy bells and whistles will slow a slow phone browser down, yes.
Jul 09 19:38:48 <Macer> vol_: slow a phone browser down is an understatement ;)
Jul 09 19:38:49 <Macer> it makes it unusable
Jul 09 19:39:00 * Hazelesque has "met the parents" (at her boyfriend's graduation today) and survived, yay :)
Jul 09 19:39:08 <Macer> ironically enough. i can use the zimbra web interface on an old G3 with 128MB of ram :)
Jul 09 19:39:21 <Macer> in full ajax mode.. it goes slower but at least it works at all
Jul 09 19:39:22 <itp> mobile devices need vastly better batteries, along with more efficient components
Jul 09 19:39:34 <itp> everything else will follow
Jul 09 19:39:46 <Macer> itp: i disagree. unless there is a breakthrough
Jul 09 19:40:19 <Macer> because of this battery restraint.. they create low ram devices
Jul 09 19:40:36 <Macer> meaning crappy web browsers that can't keep up :)
Jul 09 19:40:36 <itp> Macer: aren't you agreeing with me?
Jul 09 19:40:45 <vol_> Hazelesque: uh, thanks for the update!
Jul 09 19:40:45 <Macer> itp: damn. i guessi am :)
Jul 09 19:40:46 <Macer> haha
Jul 09 19:40:47 <vol_> :3
Jul 09 19:41:00 <vol_> congratulations on not being called a hussy I guess?
Jul 09 19:41:25 <mcz_br> hello, everybody
Jul 09 19:41:43 <mcz_br> does anyone have experience with V4LE?
Jul 09 19:42:40 <mcz_br> i am getting this error:
Jul 09 19:42:40 <mcz_br> In file included from frameworks/base/camera/libcameraservice/CameraHardware.cpp:21:
Jul 09 19:42:40 <mcz_br> frameworks/base/camera/libcameraservice/CameraHardware.h:30:21: error: jpeglib.h: No such file or directory
Jul 09 19:43:22 <itp> mcz_br: what OS?
Jul 09 19:43:31 <mcz_br> android in beagle
Jul 09 19:43:42 <mcz_br> my OS is Ubuntu
Jul 09 19:43:56 <Macer> like as in for a beagleboard?
Jul 09 19:44:20 <Hazelesque> vol_: :P
Jul 09 19:44:24 <mcz_br> i am running android in beagleboard
Jul 09 19:44:32 <Hazelesque> vol_: I just felt like sharing :)
Jul 09 19:44:35 <mcz_br> i am using Ubuntu to compile
Jul 09 19:44:45 <mcz_br> i am trying to add a webcam
Jul 09 19:44:59 <itp> mcz_br: install ... libjpeg62-dev
Jul 09 19:45:07 <mcz_br> ok ... in Ubuntu?
Jul 09 19:45:29 <itp> of course
Jul 09 19:45:37 <mcz_br> itp: thanks, man :D
Jul 09 19:45:42 <itp> well, don't know what ubuntu version you're using, but apt-cache search libjpeg
Jul 09 19:45:55 <itp> and then apt-get install whatever version of the -dev package shows up
Jul 09 19:46:05 <mcz_br> itp: ok! thanks a lot :)
Jul 09 19:48:14 <Gary|tp> KNY, in GV SMS, if you put <3 at the end of a message it cuts it off.
Jul 09 19:48:17 <spark_> hey folks
Jul 09 19:48:18 <Gary|tp> (don't ask)
Jul 09 19:48:23 <AakashPatel> how do i like to vids in HD?
Jul 09 19:48:25 <AakashPatel> on youtube?
Jul 09 19:48:27 <spark_> this 'overclock widget' - is it safe to use it?
Jul 09 19:48:38 <AakashPatel> whats your version of safe ol
Jul 09 19:48:40 <AakashPatel> lol*
Jul 09 19:48:59 <Gary|tp> spark_, the CPU is designed to run at a frequency higher than android sets it to
Jul 09 19:49:14 <Gary|tp> it'll warm up your phone a bit and drain your battery faster
Jul 09 19:49:16 <Gary|tp> but it is "safe"
Jul 09 19:49:22 <spark_> AakashPatel: well, my phone started acting weird twice; coincidentally a few days after I installed the overclocking widget
Jul 09 19:49:41 <spark_> Gary|thinkpad: the first time I installed it all my apps started force-closing; had to flash a new firmware on the phone
Jul 09 19:49:55 <Gary|tp> Coincidence most likely.
Jul 09 19:49:56 <r3nrut> technically overclocking the msm7200 processor would require you to set it higher than 528mhz
Jul 09 19:50:02 <itp> does the overclock widget force the frequency, or just raise the ceiling?
Jul 09 19:50:13 <spark_> Gary|tp: now, after running the firmware for a while without problems, I installed it again a few days ago
Jul 09 19:50:24 <spark_> Gary|tp: and just now I can't receive calls anymore, can't sms people
Jul 09 19:50:36 <Gary|tp> What ROM?
Jul 09 19:50:41 <spark_> jf 1.51
Jul 09 19:50:44 <spark_> adp phone
Jul 09 19:50:55 <Gary|tp> Well, you aren't forced to use it. But most have had no problems with it..
Jul 09 19:51:08 <spark_> (and it's not the SIM, I tried it in another phone: no problems)
Jul 09 19:51:14 <mcz_br> itp: the error persists :(
Jul 09 19:51:26 <spark_> (and rebooting my ADP doesn't help either, nor does taking the SIM out/in)
Jul 09 19:51:28 <mcz_br> itp: any other idea?
Jul 09 19:53:49 <itp> mcz_br: hard to say; that package contains jpeglib.h, but it sounds like your compile environment isn't providing the appropriate include path
Jul 09 19:54:03 <mcz_br> itp: it is very strange
Jul 09 19:54:14 <mcz_br> itp: jpeglib.h is in the android external too
Jul 09 19:54:22 <mcz_br> itp: and is being compiled together
Jul 09 19:54:32 <mcz_br> itp: but compiles does not find it
Jul 09 19:58:51 <KNY> Gary|tp, send me an email about it. gv@evancharlton.com
Jul 09 19:59:01 <Gary|tp> but you are right here.
Jul 09 19:59:12 <Gary|tp> You just want my email address to sell to spam companies.
Jul 09 19:59:16 <Gary|tp> YOU SHALL NOT GET IT!
Jul 09 19:59:23 <spark_> guys, what can the problem be here: my phone says it's connected to the network - however, sending SMS won't work, calling won't work either (I rebooted several times, the SIM works correctly in another phone)
Jul 09 20:00:11 <shiznebit> spark_: does chucking the phone out the window work ?
Jul 09 20:00:52 <vol_> spark_: check apns, I dunno. you might want to call 611 for th-.... oh.
Jul 09 20:01:07 <vol_> well, call 611 on another phone, ask if they can see whether the phone is registered on the network.
Jul 09 20:01:23 <kRutOn> Yowza, Ericsson is going to manage Sprint's network.
Jul 09 20:01:40 <shiznebit> spark_: this might seem stupid of me to say, but is there a SIM card ?
Jul 09 20:01:47 <r3nrut> kRutOn: where did you hear that?
Jul 09 20:02:04 <kRutOn> r3nrut: Reuters
Jul 09 20:02:34 <spark_> yes, there is a SIM card ;)
Jul 09 20:02:43 <r3nrut> hey spark_
Jul 09 20:02:57 <r3nrut> I had the same issue... turned out i just needed a new SIM card
Jul 09 20:03:00 <kRutOn> http://xrl.us/ericssonsprint
Jul 09 20:03:03 <r3nrut> mine was 7+yrs old
Jul 09 20:03:16 <spark_> r3nrut: but did it work in another phone?
Jul 09 20:03:36 <r3nrut> spark_: negative
Jul 09 20:03:40 <spark_> hm, after many tries it managed to send my sms
Jul 09 20:03:48 <spark_> well maybe it was just a weird hickup
Jul 09 20:07:43 <spark_> nope, calling still won't work
Jul 09 20:13:40 <vol_> ok, this overclocking widget is pretty nice :>
Jul 09 20:16:38 <mcz_br> ok ... now works
Jul 09 20:16:50 <mcz_br> we changed Android.mk
Jul 09 20:17:22 <mcz_br> +LOCAL_WHOLE_STATIC_LIBRARIES += libjpeg
Jul 09 20:17:26 <mcz_br> +LOCAL_C_INCLUDES += \
Jul 09 20:17:26 <mcz_br> +        external/jpeg
Jul 09 20:17:41 <mcz_br> and removed the LOCAL_STATIC_LIBRARIS := libjpeg
Jul 09 20:23:59 <AakashPatel> dude there are two flies infront of me beating the shit of each other
Jul 09 20:25:12 <AakashPatel> haha flie fights...the new crazy among teens
Jul 09 20:25:16 <AakashPatel> fly*
Jul 09 20:26:20 <spark_> but really, noone here has a hint as to how I can make my phone functional again?
Jul 09 20:26:43 <spark_> this will be the second time in 2 weeks that I will need to reflash the firmware because the phone becomes unusable
Jul 09 20:26:47 <spark_> pretty odd, if you ask me
Jul 09 20:27:14 <AakashPatel> eh, can i connect more than one device to bluetooth on my comp at a time?
Jul 09 20:36:21 <buleeahn> I swear I saw a hack for 2 bluetooth devices somewhere.
Jul 09 20:36:27 <buleeahn> Out of curiosity, what are you trying to connect.
Jul 09 20:36:29 <buleeahn> ?
Jul 09 20:37:29 <AakashPatel> me?
Jul 09 20:37:50 <AakashPatel> i was wondering about connecting my bluetooth mouse and keyboard to my comp at the same time
Jul 09 20:38:06 <AakashPatel> macbook pro
Jul 09 20:38:17 <buleeahn> i see
Jul 09 20:38:47 <AakashPatel> im getting might mouse and wireless keyboard and wasnt sure if bluetooth allows more than 1 connection
Jul 09 20:50:42 <AakashPatel> Macer: i can finally test that bluetoof HID thing XD
Jul 09 20:50:47 <AakashPatel> (in an hour)
Jul 09 20:53:29 <Macer> heh
Jul 09 20:53:30 <Macer> AakashPatel: haha
Jul 09 20:53:35 <Macer> did you make an app
Jul 09 20:53:43 <AakashPatel> i will later prolly
Jul 09 20:55:28 <Macer> lol
Jul 09 20:55:30 <Macer> well. it works
Jul 09 20:55:34 <Macer> but i just set up scripts for it
Jul 09 20:55:41 <Macer> that i run from a term to turn it back on
Jul 09 20:55:42 <AakashPatel> i wanna get an arrow
Jul 09 20:55:56 <Macer> an arrow?
Jul 09 20:56:00 <AakashPatel> mouse
Jul 09 20:56:17 <AakashPatel> a mouse to control a 3.2" screen
Jul 09 20:56:17 <Macer> oh
Jul 09 20:56:19 <AakashPatel> hahaha
Jul 09 20:56:20 <Macer> haha
Jul 09 20:56:25 <Macer> that's ghetto
Jul 09 20:56:27 <Macer> why would you even need a mouse in android?
Jul 09 20:56:33 <Macer> i guess possibly txt selection
Jul 09 20:56:34 <AakashPatel> idk? to be kewl?
Jul 09 20:56:36 <AakashPatel> yea
Jul 09 20:56:37 <Macer> for the crappy office apps
Jul 09 20:56:40 <Macer> :)
Jul 09 20:56:43 <AakashPatel> hah
Jul 09 20:56:46 <Macer> that have spreadsheets but no doc editor
Jul 09 20:56:49 <Macer> or can only view
Jul 09 20:56:53 <Macer> like quickoffice
Jul 09 20:57:02 <AakashPatel> like androffice
Jul 09 20:57:02 <Macer> quickoffice is so awesome on symbian too.. it's a real shame
Jul 09 20:57:04 <Macer> yeah
Jul 09 20:57:08 <Macer> androffice is garbage :)
Jul 09 20:57:16 <Macer> that's why i have this aspireone now
Jul 09 20:57:23 <AakashPatel> <cough>/me goes to pirate it</cough>
Jul 09 20:57:23 <Macer> i bought it for $150 off the girl who let me look at it
Jul 09 20:57:24 <Macer> hah
Jul 09 20:57:30 <AakashPatel> lolll
Jul 09 20:57:44 <Macer> she didn't want it and being a girl it is the same as teh day she bought it
Jul 09 20:57:45 <Macer> :)
Jul 09 20:57:57 <Macer> not like us guys.. where it would have scratches and shit like that
Jul 09 20:57:58 <AakashPatel> hahaha
Jul 09 20:58:10 <AakashPatel> lol i cant stand scratches on my shit
Jul 09 20:58:20 <Macer> but i'll use this until i see a real touch book out and about
Jul 09 20:58:22 <AakashPatel> once its scratched, to me its worth nothin lol
Jul 09 20:58:22 <Macer> reviewed and all
Jul 09 20:58:27 <Macer> AakashPatel: me too
Jul 09 20:58:29 <Macer> :)
Jul 09 20:58:34 <Macer> i can't stand stuff like that
Jul 09 20:58:42 <Macer> or if a screen has a dead pixel
Jul 09 20:58:49 <Macer> i don't care where it is.. i'm bringing it back or selling it
Jul 09 20:58:50 <Macer> haha
Jul 09 20:58:53 <AakashPatel> haha
Jul 09 20:59:12 <AakashPatel> i havent encountered a dead pixel before
Jul 09 21:00:35 <Macer> seriously?
Jul 09 21:00:38 <Macer> my first g1 had it
Jul 09 21:00:41 <AakashPatel> yea
Jul 09 21:00:47 <Macer> usually you can tap them
Jul 09 21:00:52 <Macer> and they might pick back up
Jul 09 21:00:55 * AakashPatel taped his pixel
Jul 09 21:00:59 <AakashPatel> wtf
Jul 09 21:01:03 <AakashPatel> tapped*
Jul 09 21:01:05 <Macer> but this one just wouldn't go away and i went back the next day
Jul 09 21:01:18 <AakashPatel> dude
Jul 09 21:01:22 <Macer> i bet they just gavec me one repackaged
Jul 09 21:01:28 <Macer> that someone brought back for the same reason
Jul 09 21:01:29 <Macer> heh
Jul 09 21:01:38 <AakashPatel> my space bar on my adp1, when i hit it on the right side, it doenst register like 50% of the time
Jul 09 21:01:43 <Macer> lol
Jul 09 21:01:47 <AakashPatel> it started happening like 3 days ago
Jul 09 21:01:49 <Macer> that's what you get for just not rooting a g1
Jul 09 21:01:50 <AakashPatel> its driving me crazy
Jul 09 21:01:50 <Macer> :)
Jul 09 21:01:58 <Macer> and getting ripped off just for the stupid design on the back
Jul 09 21:01:58 <AakashPatel> haah
Jul 09 21:02:01 <Macer> :-D
Jul 09 21:02:06 <AakashPatel> it was worth it!
Jul 09 21:02:08 <AakashPatel> time to call HTC!
Jul 09 21:02:18 <Macer> can you use an adp1 on att 3G?
Jul 09 21:02:22 <AakashPatel> nope
Jul 09 21:02:27 * AakashPatel is on att
Jul 09 21:02:39 <Macer> haha
Jul 09 21:02:39 <Macer> oops
Jul 09 21:02:39 <Macer> i figured as much
Jul 09 21:02:42 <Macer> just like i couldn' tuse the n95 on tmob 3G
Jul 09 21:02:53 <Macer> i'm waiting for a badass nokia that can do tmob
Jul 09 21:02:58 <Macer> like an n97 or something
Jul 09 21:03:01 <Macer> i miss my nokia :(
Jul 09 21:03:08 <AakashPatel> Macer: wait for the hero XD
Jul 09 21:03:09 <Macer> i sold it for $135
Jul 09 21:03:13 <Macer> oh screw the hero
Jul 09 21:03:15 <Macer> haha
Jul 09 21:03:16 * AakashPatel hopes its on ATT
Jul 09 21:03:21 <Macer> vaporware
Jul 09 21:03:22 <Macer> :)
Jul 09 21:03:24 <AakashPatel> haha
Jul 09 21:03:38 <Macer> is it supposed to have a qwerty?
Jul 09 21:03:44 <AakashPatel> no
Jul 09 21:03:47 <Macer> i miss the cam more than anything
Jul 09 21:03:51 <AakashPatel> Macer: havent you seen pics of it?
Jul 09 21:03:55 <Macer> i hate on screen qwerty
Jul 09 21:03:55 <AakashPatel> ...videos of it?
Jul 09 21:03:56 <AakashPatel> haha
Jul 09 21:03:57 <Macer> no
Jul 09 21:03:57 <tmzt> no camera?
Jul 09 21:03:59 <Macer> i dno't care about it
Jul 09 21:04:07 <Macer> tmzt: the n95 cam was awesmoe
Jul 09 21:04:08 <AakashPatel> Macer: o.o have you tried the HTC IME?
Jul 09 21:04:15 <Macer> er.. IME?
Jul 09 21:04:17 <Macer> :)
Jul 09 21:04:19 <AakashPatel> keyboard ;)
Jul 09 21:04:26 <AakashPatel> input method engine
Jul 09 21:04:27 <Macer> i tried the one that is in JF 1.5
Jul 09 21:04:34 <tmzt> how much flash did yours have?
Jul 09 21:04:48 <Macer> AakashPatel: and it sucks
Jul 09 21:04:49 <Macer> heh
Jul 09 21:05:01 <AakashPatel> heh then you treid to wrong one lol
Jul 09 21:05:02 <AakashPatel> tried
Jul 09 21:05:10 <Macer> AakashPatel: uhm
Jul 09 21:05:15 <Macer> it comes with other oens? :)
Jul 09 21:05:25 * AakashPatel cant wait for this apple wireless keyboard, and wireless mighty mouse to arrive today
Jul 09 21:05:27 <Macer> i have JF 1.51 and whatever onscreen stuff that comes with
Jul 09 21:05:34 <Macer> AakashPatel: for use with the g1
Jul 09 21:05:36 <Macer> ?
Jul 09 21:05:37 <Macer> :)
Jul 09 21:05:48 <AakashPatel> lol no for my macbook pro
Jul 09 21:05:54 <AakashPatel> but it will be used also for adp1 ;)
Jul 09 21:06:01 <Macer> why do yo7u need a wireless kb for the macbook pro?
Jul 09 21:06:02 <Macer> heh
Jul 09 21:06:04 * tech9iner \o
Jul 09 21:06:07 <Macer> to use it while it's closed?
Jul 09 21:06:10 <Macer> i'm guessing
Jul 09 21:06:12 <AakashPatel> Macer: cuz i put it on my desk
Jul 09 21:06:29 <AakashPatel> and the desk is a bit too high and it gets uncomfortable typing for a long time
Jul 09 21:06:29 <tech9iner> so.. cupcake's new features kinda nice.. however..
Jul 09 21:06:44 <AakashPatel> cupcake is old news :P
Jul 09 21:06:46 <Macer> tech9iner: yeah they are.. it has a lot of little things that are better
Jul 09 21:06:53 <Macer> AakashPatel: yeah. everybody's into this hero shit nowadays
Jul 09 21:07:00 <Macer> that runs like total shit on a g1 from what i hear
Jul 09 21:07:00 <AakashPatel> Macer: lol i dont want one
Jul 09 21:07:03 <Macer> :)
Jul 09 21:07:03 <AakashPatel> i luv my adp1
Jul 09 21:07:14 <tech9iner> pondering if anyone here knows any configs or tweaks or hacks to effect the new dial keypad touch lock?
Jul 09 21:07:16 <AakashPatel> yeah i hear that also
Jul 09 21:07:21 <Macer> AakashPatel: an adp1 serves no more purpose than a rooted g1
Jul 09 21:07:23 <Macer> :)
Jul 09 21:07:25 <AakashPatel> WRONG
Jul 09 21:07:28 <Macer> yup
Jul 09 21:07:30 <AakashPatel> it haz a back cover!
Jul 09 21:07:31 <AakashPatel> lol
Jul 09 21:07:33 <Macer> hahaha
Jul 09 21:07:37 <AakashPatel> adp1 serves style
Jul 09 21:07:37 <Macer> yeah that's about it
Jul 09 21:07:39 <AakashPatel> :P
Jul 09 21:07:45 <Macer> and i guess it's unlocked in case you want to use it on another edge network? )
Jul 09 21:07:46 <Macer> :)
Jul 09 21:07:48 <Macer> haha
Jul 09 21:07:49 <Macer> garbage
Jul 09 21:07:53 <AakashPatel> haha
Jul 09 21:07:53 <Macer> waste of money if you ask me
Jul 09 21:07:57 <AakashPatel> screw you lol
Jul 09 21:08:04 * AakashPatel pets his adp1
Jul 09 21:08:21 * AakashPatel shhh...macer is just mad cuz he doesnt have one of you
Jul 09 21:08:42 <tech9iner> GREAT idea it was.. however.. problem is if you're say dialing extensions or pbx prompt systems etc.. it doesnt lock fast enough.. i keep dailing numbers.. then placing g1 to ear to hear only to dial extra number because the lock seems way too long before activating?
Jul 09 21:09:22 <tech9iner> the cheek dialed digits are exasperating on auto attendant sys's.. grrr..
Jul 09 21:09:52 <KNY> tech9iner, they should have to lock based on accelerometer values
Jul 09 21:09:53 <AakashPatel> damn flies!
Jul 09 21:09:57 <Macer> AakashPatel: sure i do... i just ordered a fake ass back cover
Jul 09 21:09:59 <KNY> so when you bring it to your face it locks
Jul 09 21:10:08 <Macer> put an adp1 firmware on it
Jul 09 21:10:08 <Macer> done
Jul 09 21:10:11 <Macer> :)
Jul 09 21:10:11 <AakashPatel> lol
Jul 09 21:10:15 <AakashPatel> you cant order them!
Jul 09 21:10:18 <AakashPatel> BEOACH
Jul 09 21:10:21 <tech9iner> any clues how to speed up its auto lock in something less than 7 sex ?
Jul 09 21:10:26 <Macer> AakashPatel: lies
Jul 09 21:10:28 <Macer> made in china
Jul 09 21:10:30 <AakashPatel> find me on
Jul 09 21:10:32 <AakashPatel> e
Jul 09 21:11:00 <tmzt> edit javascript?
Jul 09 21:11:02 <tech9iner> KNY: well simply put yes.. but of course mainly due phone position sensors im assuming
Jul 09 21:11:12 <tmzt> wait, no, that's palm
Jul 09 21:11:49 <tech9iner> hoping there is someway to shorten said key lock's trigger time..
Jul 09 21:12:09 <AakashPatel> holy shit
Jul 09 21:12:17 <AakashPatel> these two flies started fucking on my keyboard
Jul 09 21:12:45 * AakashPatel takes out his video camera
Jul 09 21:13:07 <buleeahn> I had to read that four times to figure out what you said.
Jul 09 21:13:15 <tech9iner> not very impressive to have peep'holes on train seeing your strange 'g1 from ear to dail.. then curse.. then away from ear and dial some more.. then hold out from ear unnaturally..' blah blah.. hehe
Jul 09 21:13:27 <Macer> hm
Jul 09 21:13:31 <AakashPatel> buleeahn: lol simple words
Jul 09 21:13:36 <Macer> trying to find a class 6 16GB msd
Jul 09 21:13:39 <buleeahn> Yes, but it's not what I expected.
Jul 09 21:13:49 <AakashPatel> buleeahn: me either, thats why its amazing
Jul 09 21:13:50 <buleeahn> Are class 6 16gb's the only 16gb cards that work with a G1?
Jul 09 21:13:53 <buleeahn> lol
Jul 09 21:13:54 <AakashPatel> Macer: newegg
Jul 09 21:14:15 <zinx> buleeahn: no, any 16GB SDHC will work
Jul 09 21:14:19 * tech9iner thinks perhaps android-dev channel ?
Jul 09 21:14:20 <zinx> erh, 16GB MicroSDHC
Jul 09 21:14:57 <Macer> AakashPatel: i refuse to use newegg
Jul 09 21:14:58 <Macer> :)
Jul 09 21:15:00 <Macer> EVER
Jul 09 21:15:04 <spikebike> why?
Jul 09 21:15:05 <AakashPatel> Macer: fine, tigerdirect
Jul 09 21:15:06 <Macer> ever since they sent me the damn wrong video card
Jul 09 21:15:06 <buleeahn> Is a class faster, or better performing, than a class 5 or less?
Jul 09 21:15:15 <buleeahn> Er, *class 6* faster
Jul 09 21:15:17 <Macer> and i am supposed to pay to ship it back
Jul 09 21:15:26 <Macer> and then they told me the one i actually ordered was out of stock
Jul 09 21:15:26 <AakashPatel> what?
Jul 09 21:15:27 <AakashPatel> thats BS
Jul 09 21:15:30 <sparkle_> buleeahn: yes, though some flash media isn't accurately rated
Jul 09 21:15:33 <Macer> since i wanted a passive video card with no fan
Jul 09 21:15:48 <Macer> which it literally had "PASSIVE" in its model number
Jul 09 21:15:53 <sparkle_> you may not see much of a performance difference if you are using the sdcard "normally", but it's quite a big boost if you're running stuff off of it
Jul 09 21:15:53 <buleeahn> Lemme guess...they thought you'd like the upgrade of the fan?
Jul 09 21:15:56 <Macer> like 823-PASSIVE-38237
Jul 09 21:15:56 <Macer> haha
Jul 09 21:16:05 <Macer> buleeahn: yeah i suppose
Jul 09 21:16:17 <buleeahn> "here, take this, you'll like it and you'll thank us"
Jul 09 21:16:18 <Macer> it was the same chipset with a cheaper heatsink and a fan instead of the larger heatsink and passive
Jul 09 21:16:19 <zinx> Macer: that is indeed pretty bad
Jul 09 21:16:25 <tmzt> what card?
Jul 09 21:16:35 <zinx> Macer: i've never had them do anything like that
Jul 09 21:16:37 <Macer> tmzt: don't know. some piece of crap card i got for my server
Jul 09 21:16:50 <Macer> zinx: well.. it happened to me and they wanted me to box it up and ship it back at my cost
Jul 09 21:16:56 <Macer> the shipping was half the cost of the card :)
Jul 09 21:16:59 <tmzt> so why not the internal one
Jul 09 21:17:02 <Macer> so i just sent it back and asked for a refund
Jul 09 21:17:07 <tmzt> and pay restocking?
Jul 09 21:17:11 <Macer> tmzt: yup
Jul 09 21:17:16 <Macer> 20%
Jul 09 21:17:31 <Macer> so i gave up on them and told them to delete any of my data from their acct server and i will never be buyin ga damn thing from them ever again
Jul 09 21:17:36 <Macer> and i plan on sticking to my word ;)
Jul 09 21:17:59 <Macer> amazing too because i bought tens of thousands of dollars worth or stuff from newegg
Jul 09 21:18:05 * AakashPatel signs up as macer on newegg
Jul 09 21:18:20 <Macer> lol. i don't use an irc nick for business.. that's ghetto
Jul 09 21:18:42 <Macer> l33tbuyer@hackerness.org
Jul 09 21:18:44 <Macer> haha
Jul 09 21:18:59 <Macer> that's little kid shit :)
Jul 09 21:19:01 <Aakash> neither do it
Jul 09 21:19:03 <Aakash> it/i
Jul 09 21:19:05 <Aakash> haha
Jul 09 21:19:39 <AakashPatel> wait that means im ghetto
Jul 09 21:19:41 <AakashPatel> SCORE
Jul 09 21:19:44 * AakashPatel rim shot
Jul 09 21:19:49 <Macer> hm
Jul 09 21:19:57 <Macer> tigerdirect has a 16GB one
Jul 09 21:20:04 <Macer> but they don't say which class it is so i am going to assume 2
Jul 09 21:20:08 <AakashPatel> ask
Jul 09 21:20:23 <Macer> it has 6 in the picture
Jul 09 21:20:24 <Macer> :)
Jul 09 21:20:28 <AakashPatel> lol
Jul 09 21:20:34 <Macer> but not in its specs
Jul 09 21:20:58 <buleeahn> Does anyone else get a random high pitched tone from their android at random intervals?
Jul 09 21:21:21 <AakashPatel> EEEHEKEEKKJK
Jul 09 21:21:23 <AakashPatel> there you go :)
Jul 09 21:21:31 <AakashPatel> and no, i dont
Jul 09 21:21:34 <Macer> AakashPatel: in teh questions and answers someone is asking about the class
Jul 09 21:21:43 <Macer> and said te same thing "the photo shows class 6..."
Jul 09 21:21:46 <AakashPatel> heh
Jul 09 21:21:48 <Macer> hahaha.. but there is  no reply
Jul 09 21:21:55 <spikebike> macer URL for a 16GB type 6 at tigerdirect?
Jul 09 21:21:56 <Macer> i bet they just send you whatever they have
Jul 09 21:22:13 <Macer> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4505200&CatId=4347
Jul 09 21:22:20 <spikebike> macer I've done a ton of business with newegg and am quite happy, probably 100 computers worth
Jul 09 21:22:38 <Macer> spikebike: i'm sure i did more before they screwed me
Jul 09 21:22:39 <Macer> ;)
Jul 09 21:22:46 <AakashPatel> hahha
Jul 09 21:22:46 <sparkle_> how pricy are 16's now
Jul 09 21:22:50 <spikebike> $55
Jul 09 21:22:55 <Macer> probably 100 companies worth
Jul 09 21:22:56 <Macer> haha
Jul 09 21:23:02 <sparkle_> too much :p
Jul 09 21:23:12 <Macer> so i'm hoping the person who handled that idioicy got fired
Jul 09 21:23:17 <Macer> and is on teh street begging for crack money
Jul 09 21:23:24 <spikebike> macer sure do what you want, but they aren't inherently evil/inaccurate in general
Jul 09 21:23:40 <Macer> spikebike: i agree. but it was horribly mishandled
Jul 09 21:23:44 <Macer> it was obviously THEIR mistake
Jul 09 21:24:01 <spikebike> indeed.
Jul 09 21:24:10 <Macer> i'd have sucked it up if it were my own fault. but the description said PASSIVE. the model number did.. and instead i got chinese assembly lined
Jul 09 21:24:16 <spikebike> any company will have an occasional screw up, disappointing they didn't just pay for shipping
Jul 09 21:24:30 <Macer> extremely
Jul 09 21:24:32 <spikebike> did the pic you ordered show a passive?
Jul 09 21:24:39 <Macer> then said if i wanted a refun that i have to pay the restocking fee
Jul 09 21:24:43 <Macer> spikebike: YES!
Jul 09 21:24:46 <Macer> the model number did too
Jul 09 21:24:52 <Macer> it said in giant bold letters PASSIVE
Jul 09 21:24:57 <Macer> which was the only reason i bought it
Jul 09 21:25:07 <ichudov> How can I download a file to Android's storage without using USB. Is there something like wget for android? So that I can download straight from the web to flash drive, knowing the URL? I want to download my specific MP3 file
Jul 09 21:25:11 <spikebike> well I'd trust the pic more than what some random taiwanese person thinks passive means
Jul 09 21:25:13 <Macer> i thought maybe the heatsink/fan could be replaced with something else in teh box
Jul 09 21:25:16 <Macer> ehh
Jul 09 21:25:32 <Macer> spikebike: the pic was passive with no fan.. it had a big heatsink.. but like i said.. the actual model number of the card itself
Jul 09 21:25:37 <Macer> had PASSIVE in its model number :)
Jul 09 21:26:04 <itp> ichudov: hit the URL in the browser, should give you an option of what to do with it?  or does it try to play it?
Jul 09 21:26:14 <Macer> what made it even worse was that when i ordered it you know how they have those comments.. where you send them a msg
Jul 09 21:26:16 <torchie> oyyyyy
Jul 09 21:26:26 <ichudov> itp: it plays the music, but does not offer an option to save to sdcard
Jul 09 21:26:35 <spikebike> I ordered a q6600 from them, hoping for the current rev
Jul 09 21:26:42 <Macer> "I need someone to make sure this is PASSIVE like it shows in the picture and says in its specs and model number."
Jul 09 21:26:49 <Macer> and they still managed to send me the wrong card :)
Jul 09 21:26:55 <Macer> just like contesting a ticket
Jul 09 21:26:58 <spikebike> it wasn't, I returned it, they asked for a fee.  I asked them to wave it since it was unopened... and they did
Jul 09 21:27:05 <Macer> someone opens it.. sees you contested it.. denies it.. and doubles the charge
Jul 09 21:27:45 <spikebike> frustrating that most places won't tell you which CPU they have in stock
Jul 09 21:27:45 <Macer> i just got screwed and they didn't fix it so i stopped ordering from them
Jul 09 21:27:57 <Macer> there are a thousand places you can order parts and such from
Jul 09 21:28:04 <Macer> so newegg is done as far as i am concerned
Jul 09 21:29:00 <tech9iner> any takers on how to config dialpad keyboard in call mates?
Jul 09 21:29:11 <tech9iner> any takers on how to config dialpad keyboard *LOCK in call mates?
Jul 09 21:29:20 <Macer> wtf
Jul 09 21:29:20 <spikebike> heh, none that I've seen are as nice as newegg as far as website, pictures, and only allowing you to buy what's in stock and shipping it out really quickly
Jul 09 21:29:21 <zinx> edit the source
Jul 09 21:29:22 * tech9iner grumbles mea culpa..
Jul 09 21:29:24 <spikebike> oh and price of course
Jul 09 21:29:32 <Macer> the sandisk 16G C2 is $20 more than the other one
Jul 09 21:29:34 <Macer> hah
Jul 09 21:29:41 <AakashPatel> lol
Jul 09 21:29:54 <Macer> which has a class 6 pic but doesn't tell you what it is
Jul 09 21:29:58 <spikebike> I find the reviews useful as well
Jul 09 21:30:33 <RT^> hello
Jul 09 21:31:05 <RT^> anyone knows a good open-source irc client for android?
Jul 09 21:31:45 <Macer> the class 4 is $94??
Jul 09 21:31:45 <Macer> wow
Jul 09 21:31:55 <AakashPatel> dude now the flies had sex on y phone
Jul 09 21:31:59 <zinx> 16GB = overpriced
Jul 09 21:31:59 <AakashPatel> my*
Jul 09 21:32:15 <sparkle_> RT^: all the irc clients that run on the handset will have interesting issues with dropping connection and getting it again
Jul 09 21:32:47 <RT^> oh :/
Jul 09 21:32:54 * spikebike is surprised that without a cell signal, if I turn on wifi, then put my phone to sleep I still get IM messages
Jul 09 21:33:13 <romainguy> why is it surprising? if you're on WiFi you have network
Jul 09 21:33:19 <RT^> f'sparkle_: im on the verge of becoming a developer ...if there is no other good irc client
Jul 09 21:33:26 <spikebike> I thought wifi turns off withthe screen
Jul 09 21:33:27 <buleeahn> If I've got wifi enabled on my g1, how can I tell what IP address it's got?
Jul 09 21:33:29 <Macer> zinx: that one wasn't
Jul 09 21:33:33 <Macer> but it doesn't say what class it is
Jul 09 21:33:48 <Macer> it has a class 6 pic
Jul 09 21:33:50 <RT^> f'sparkle_: to tell you the truth i did not see conn drops with "firc" anb
Jul 09 21:33:59 <zinx> Macer: oh, how much was it?
Jul 09 21:34:02 <RT^> s/anb/and
Jul 09 21:34:05 <Macer> but doesn't specificially say what class which means they will send you a 2 and say "we didn't say which class"
Jul 09 21:34:06 <RT^> droidchat
Jul 09 21:34:09 <zinx> Macer: 8GB cards are ~$10-$15
Jul 09 21:34:25 <zinx> Macer: i have never seen a 16GB card that isn't overpriced.
Jul 09 21:34:30 <RT^> but both of these clients are poorly equiped if you use multiple channels
Jul 09 21:34:39 <tlabwin> why do you need 16gb ?
Jul 09 21:34:49 <Macer> $55
Jul 09 21:34:55 <zinx> see, that's overpriced
Jul 09 21:34:55 <sparkle_> ask yourself if you really need 16GB
Jul 09 21:35:00 <Macer> lol
Jul 09 21:35:00 <tlabwin> just get two 8gb
Jul 09 21:35:04 <Macer> $55 isn't that much
Jul 09 21:35:04 <Macer> :)
Jul 09 21:35:11 <zinx> Macer: it's 5 times as much as a 8GB card
Jul 09 21:35:11 <sparkle_> i've had an 8 in mine since last year and have come nowhere near pushing it
Jul 09 21:35:13 <spikebike> heh, I did for my n800, but it has 2 storage slots
Jul 09 21:35:13 <Macer> yeah it's overpriced but i don't think it will break the bank on me
Jul 09 21:35:19 <zinx> Macer: for 2x the space... doesn't seem like a good deal to me.
Jul 09 21:35:20 <Macer> zinx: well. when you put it like that
Jul 09 21:35:23 <Macer> what's the max on sdhc?
Jul 09 21:35:26 <spikebike> mines occasionally full, I fill it with audio books
Jul 09 21:35:27 <zinx> Macer: 32GB
Jul 09 21:35:31 <buleeahn> Ah, nevermind, netstat it is.
Jul 09 21:35:39 <Macer> really? thought it went way higher than that
Jul 09 21:35:43 <zinx> Macer: technically 2048GB, but the SD Card Association hates customers
Jul 09 21:35:49 <Macer> ah.. ok
Jul 09 21:35:55 <Macer> yeah i figured it went to 2TB
Jul 09 21:35:56 <Macer> heh
Jul 09 21:35:57 <zinx> Macer: and now that they've come out with SDXC, it's unlikely there will ever be a SDHC card >32GB
Jul 09 21:36:11 <Macer> zinx: well. they have to make their money somehow
Jul 09 21:36:25 <Macer> and apple sent the trend for stuff that could have been done sooner but wasn't in order to maintain steady profit
Jul 09 21:36:31 <Macer> like compasses and stuff
Jul 09 21:36:45 <zinx> (and SDXC cards, while /completely/ identical electrically, are intentionally different physically so the SD Card Association can rape you)
Jul 09 21:36:58 <Macer> zinx: oh i agree
Jul 09 21:37:01 <Macer> too bad companies use them
Jul 09 21:37:09 <Macer> but it's either that or come up with something proprietary
Jul 09 21:37:25 <r3nrut> I hate customers too
Jul 09 21:38:51 * tech9iner is a fan of both newegg and .. used to use outpost.com alot.. now reverted to frys.com.. never used..
Jul 09 21:39:09 <zinx> hah you realize frys.com is outpost.com right
Jul 09 21:39:22 <tech9iner> zinx: just said that?
Jul 09 21:39:39 <zinx> i didn't realize that's what you said :x
Jul 09 21:39:52 <r3nrut> i don't like frys
Jul 09 21:39:54 <RT^> hmm, how is android dev to lets say c# or php ? :>
Jul 09 21:40:14 <zinx> RT^: it's like Java.
Jul 09 21:40:20 <r3nrut> RT^:complete opposite
Jul 09 21:40:23 <zinx> oh hey wait, it /is/ java :/
Jul 09 21:40:23 <tech9iner> wtf r3nrut ?.. sux.. hating anyone period sux.. specially when your co'workers are 'internal customers' too in grand scheme of professional occupations ;]]
Jul 09 21:40:53 <RT^> f'r3nrut: to both of them? :P
Jul 09 21:40:57 <r3nrut> tech9iner: you're missing the point
Jul 09 21:41:10 * tech9iner has never found a big well stocked frys retailer replacement quite like them...
Jul 09 21:41:50 <tech9iner> r3nrut: so.. instead of 'missing the point' .. how bout including said pt clarity?.. hummmm? lol
Jul 09 21:42:13 <GenericNode> newegg
Jul 09 21:42:25 <r3nrut> jezus tech9iner why you gotta be bust'n my balls.  we aren't married.
Jul 09 21:43:01 <zinx> believe it or not, that's not normal for married couples either
Jul 09 21:43:04 <zinx> except dysfunctional ones
Jul 09 21:43:06 <r3nrut> go beat down on Visioneshg 195.91.152.84 for trying to hack my site instead
Jul 09 21:43:17 * tech9iner m u s t      h a v e      f o o d      NOW......                                                                    ..or more coffee.. either or hehe
Jul 09 21:43:26 <r3nrut> you guys are harsh today
Jul 09 21:44:04 <tech9iner> r3nrut: roflmfao.. busting balls?.. you're killn me here.. such a chip on your shoulder you didnt seem to note the 'lol' tease etc?.. sadsack laddie.. you sound like a quivering bruise type ;]]]]
Jul 09 21:44:41 <zinx> i have to admit, i'm not sure what language you guys are speaking
Jul 09 21:44:42 <r3nrut> tech9iner: nah not really.  I'm just bored and utilizing stereotypes for my amusement
Jul 09 21:44:55 <buleeahn> adios's
Jul 09 21:44:59 * tech9iner ponders if someone has chained r3nrut to a stump and played 'whack a mole' on him too much..
Jul 09 21:45:19 <r3nrut> negative sir.
Jul 09 21:45:28 <tech9iner> lol
Jul 09 21:45:54 <tech9iner> zinx: irc'a'slang.. come on man.. ketchup already  ;]]
Jul 09 21:46:15 <r3nrut> so anyone touched a mytouch 3g yet?
Jul 09 21:46:27 <r3nrut> i didn't care for the feel of it much
Jul 09 21:46:58 <RT^> hmm, can i ask a stupid question?
Jul 09 21:47:03 <r3nrut> kinda had the feel of the pearl flip that blackberry put out
Jul 09 21:47:06 * tech9iner resist the temptation of any 'thats wtf she said last nite' puns.. oh.. wait..
Jul 09 21:47:22 <r3nrut> lol
Jul 09 21:47:53 <RT^> i have my g1 for 2 days ...and was wondering what interesting things i could do with it ?
Jul 09 21:48:15 <r3nrut> tech9iner, i'll let you answer that one
Jul 09 21:48:28 <tech9iner> RT^: eh.. google down again? ;]]..
Jul 09 21:48:56 <RT^> nope, i'm just lazy ;)
Jul 09 21:49:03 <wingless> RT^: forum.xda-developers.com > dream android development
Jul 09 21:49:05 <RT^> and a bit drunk ;)
Jul 09 21:49:06 <Qwell> RT^: you can make a phone with it
Jul 09 21:49:10 <Qwell> phone call too
Jul 09 21:49:15 <r3nrut> RT^: http://tinyurl.com/nch6zl
Jul 09 21:49:16 <tech9iner> RT^: other than the obvious 'config to vibrate.. then call gf and leave ugle voice mail.. then slip into your Spiderman Underoos.. then enjoy?'
Jul 09 21:49:17 <RT^> a real phone?!
Jul 09 21:49:20 <RT^> no way...
Jul 09 21:49:45 <tech9iner> werd
Jul 09 21:49:48 <Qwell> RT^: such a stupid feature for a phone to have.  they should just remove it
Jul 09 21:49:57 <r3nrut> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+can+i+do+with+my+t-mobile+g1
Jul 09 21:50:15 <wingless> you can install linux.. oh wait, it's already linux
Jul 09 21:50:32 <r3nrut> you can install about a dozen fart apps
Jul 09 21:50:39 <r3nrut> and do what your body does naturally
Jul 09 21:51:23 <Macer> going to completely remove ie from this netbook and install chrome
Jul 09 21:51:24 <Macer> :)
Jul 09 21:51:29 <Macer> and hope it works for mostly everything
Jul 09 21:51:30 <RT^> hm, ok, another stupid question, apps are installed where ?
Jul 09 21:52:06 <r3nrut> RT^ why?
Jul 09 21:52:29 <RT^> sd card of internal memory
Jul 09 21:52:34 <RT^> s/of/or
Jul 09 21:52:38 <r3nrut> internal memory
Jul 09 21:52:49 <r3nrut> by default
Jul 09 21:52:55 <RT^> is there a way to put them on sd?
Jul 09 21:53:01 <itp> root the phone
Jul 09 21:53:02 <r3nrut> xda-developers.com
Jul 09 21:53:22 <itp> also
Jul 09 21:53:24 <tech9iner> RT^: yes there is.. google it.. also note no highly recommended yet tho
Jul 09 21:53:32 <RT^> f'r3nrut: i've said it before, i'm lazy and drunk... i could google it, but i dont' want to
Jul 09 21:53:39 <tech9iner> RT^: *not highly....
Jul 09 21:53:51 <r3nrut> RT^: that's why I googled it for you
Jul 09 21:53:59 <tech9iner> lol..
Jul 09 21:54:24 <RT^> i should be gratefull, you could've said ".com"
Jul 09 21:54:30 <RT^> =]
Jul 09 21:54:44 * tech9iner is reminded of our #opensuse self help bot's factoid for drunk lazy blokes.. '''Hip Hip Horray! SUSEhelp loves proper due diligence almost as much as the volunteers here willing to help those that help themselves do! (1.RTFM! 2.opensuse.org 3.google! 4.Learn to use SUSEhelp bot! 5.READ factoid !sicco 6.THEN ask others to invest their time helping with detailed info gathered & ready to share here in #suse! ;-)'''
Jul 09 21:55:09 <r3nrut> LOL
Jul 09 21:55:10 <RT^> f'tech9iner: thx, now i know it's possible ;) that's enough
Jul 09 21:55:48 <tech9iner> RT^: but wait.. if you order in the next 10 mins.. cause you know we cant do this all day.. you will ALSO get..........
Jul 09 21:55:52 <RT^> ;DD
Jul 09 21:56:09 <tech9iner> eww.. double chin..
Jul 09 21:56:29 <RT^> ypu, i'm lazy ...and fat
Jul 09 21:56:44 <RT^> fck, s/ypu/yup
Jul 09 21:56:58 <r3nrut> i'm lazy when chewing fat?
Jul 09 21:57:25 <itsrumsey> that one confused me
Jul 09 21:57:48 <GenericNode> odd
Jul 09 21:57:57 <RT^> which one?
Jul 09 21:58:36 <r3nrut> I'm lost
Jul 09 21:59:16 <tech9iner> ruhroh r3nrut ..
Jul 09 21:59:23 <tech9iner> lol.. that has a ring to it..
Jul 09 21:59:33 <tlabwin> r3nrut: use teh turn by turn GPS
Jul 09 21:59:46 <RT^> btw. after 5 years of collage what degree you have ?
Jul 09 21:59:54 <zinx> tlabwin: but my phone doesn't do that :(
Jul 09 22:00:03 <tlabwin> zinx: which phone?
Jul 09 22:00:06 <r3nrut> RT^: who has 5 years of college?
Jul 09 22:00:07 <RT^> is it m. sc? and what m. sc stands for?
Jul 09 22:00:18 <KNY> master of science?
Jul 09 22:00:31 <Macer> lol
Jul 09 22:00:34 <RT^> oh, so i was right ;)
Jul 09 22:00:40 <Macer> i tried to remove ie from xp
Jul 09 22:00:46 <RT^> m.sc is afret .university right ?
Jul 09 22:00:47 <Macer> and it still runs when i do windows update
Jul 09 22:00:48 <Macer> :)
Jul 09 22:00:49 <Macer> awesmoe
Jul 09 22:00:50 <zinx> tlabwin: was a comment about google maps not supporting it :/
Jul 09 22:01:13 <r3nrut> RT^: are you talking to yourself?
Jul 09 22:02:02 <RT^> f'r3nrut: wooow, someone responded
Jul 09 22:02:02 <RT^> =]
Jul 09 22:02:22 <r3nrut> RT^: what the crap are you talking about?
Jul 09 22:03:03 <Jareeta> anyone available to help me get sound working on my HTC Kaiser?
Jul 09 22:04:24 <r3nrut> Jareeta: what's wrong
Jul 09 22:04:45 <Jareeta> I can make calls, and I can hear the person on the other end, but they can't hear me
Jul 09 22:04:46 <itsrumsey> Macer: IE is integrated in to explorer, good luck "uninstalling" it :)
Jul 09 22:05:18 <r3nrut> Jareeta: has the phone been exposed to water?
Jul 09 22:05:40 <r3nrut> Jareeta: or were you messing with the innards
Jul 09 22:05:49 <Jareeta> nono, it's not a hardware problem
Jul 09 22:05:57 <Jareeta> it works in WM, but not in Android
Jul 09 22:06:10 <r3nrut> Jareeta: ooooOOoOOoOO
Jul 09 22:06:17 <Jareeta> ?
Jul 09 22:07:03 <r3nrut> hey Androhi
Jul 09 22:07:10 <b0nn> hmm, I'm having the worst trouble with GPS on the emulator.  Everything was working fine on Tuesday, but today, with no changes to the code that I am aware of, the GPS refuses to accept locations
Jul 09 22:07:14 <b0nn> any ideas of how to troubleshoot?
Jul 09 22:07:24 <r3nrut> Jareeta: I hve a Kaiser but haven't messed around with Android on it... sorry
Jul 09 22:07:30 <Jareeta> ah
Jul 09 22:07:32 <Jareeta> ok
Jul 09 22:07:46 <Jareeta> any idea on people/channels I can talk to?
Jul 09 22:07:58 <r3nrut> did you check the xda forums?
Jul 09 22:08:04 <Jareeta> yep
Jul 09 22:08:25 <r3nrut> sorry, that would be my best hope
Jul 09 22:10:32 <r3nrut> ewww... a pink Hero?
Jul 09 22:11:33 <GenericNode> so t-mobile is trying to turn the magic into the new sidekick with all the gay accessories
Jul 09 22:11:42 <r3nrut> yeah i saw that
Jul 09 22:11:59 <r3nrut> made me dry heave a couple of times
Jul 09 22:12:31 <GenericNode> it's a retarded phone anyways
Jul 09 22:12:41 <r3nrut> i agree
Jul 09 22:12:46 <GenericNode> g1 sans keyboard = tons of games and apps that won't be usable
Jul 09 22:12:51 <r3nrut> the Hero is much cooler... just not the pink one
Jul 09 22:13:34 <GenericNode> t-mobile has been trying to get all the CSR's excited about it, but we all know it's crap, and somebody even said it in a meeting
Jul 09 22:13:43 <r3nrut> i'd use a pink one if i had it though
Jul 09 22:14:24 <r3nrut> the phone feels all plastic cheap like...
Jul 09 22:14:39 <r3nrut> doesn't seem to have the same chunk feel to it as the G1
Jul 09 22:16:50 <GenericNode> !seen ncrolle
Jul 09 22:16:51 <devendra_l> The g1 has its pitfalls too. I don't like the build quality of the g1. on atleast 2 phones if you slam in the screen back, the phone dies
Jul 09 22:17:47 <KNY> GenericNode, no bots in here
Jul 09 22:18:12 <r3nrut> devendra_1: really?  I've never had that problem on any of the G1's I've used
Jul 09 22:18:12 <KNY> devendra_l, if you call up t-mobile they'll exchange it for free
Jul 09 22:18:18 <KNY> r3nrut, I had it happen
Jul 09 22:18:21 <KNY> I could duplicate it ever time
Jul 09 22:18:25 <KNY> every*
Jul 09 22:18:39 <devendra_l> KNY, its a dev phone
Jul 09 22:18:41 <Qwell> devendra_l: don't do that then.. :p
Jul 09 22:18:50 <KNY> devendra_l, ah, then you're not talking about the G1 :)
Jul 09 22:19:21 <r3nrut> devendra_1: contact android@brightstarcorp.com
Jul 09 22:19:39 <zinx> how hard are you slamming it? :X
Jul 09 22:19:51 <KNY> zinx, firm, but not hard enough to break it
Jul 09 22:19:58 <devendra_l> so the g1 is built differently ?
Jul 09 22:20:36 <devendra_l> zinx, well not very hard. anyways, I don't have it with me right now. But I have got 3 more, that I have to yet "test" out
Jul 09 22:21:12 <zinx> i've yet to have mine turn off/reboot on me
Jul 09 22:21:16 <KNY> devendra_l, maybe, I have no idea. But you distinctly said the G1 ;-)
Jul 09 22:21:47 <r3nrut> I've had that problem with the HTC Shadow
Jul 09 22:21:58 <r3nrut> 9 times out of 10 it was due to water/moisture damage
Jul 09 22:22:20 <devendra_l> actually I don't remember if it was adp1 or g1. Had the g1 for some time, then adp1, then again back - was "leasing" out phone :)
Jul 09 22:22:30 <Macer> if the google gmail web cam stuff doesn't work in chrome
Jul 09 22:22:32 <Macer> then they fail
Jul 09 22:22:33 <Macer> :)
Jul 09 22:23:06 <AakashPatel> Macer: OMMGGG this keyboard and mouse are amazign
Jul 09 22:23:13 <Macer> oh you got them?
Jul 09 22:23:14 <Macer> :)
Jul 09 22:23:19 <Macer> were they everythign you hoped and dreamed?
Jul 09 22:23:20 <Macer> lol
Jul 09 22:23:31 <AakashPatel> YES
Jul 09 22:23:40 <Macer> it's been 17 hours without a cigarette and i'm not seriously fiending
Jul 09 22:23:50 <Macer> wow this chantix actually works
Jul 09 22:26:41 <AakashPatel> I feel the power!
Jul 09 22:26:52 <Macer> (tm) Nintendo
Jul 09 22:27:13 <GenericNode> KNY, yeah was wrong room
Jul 09 22:27:39 <Macer> i just removed ie8
Jul 09 22:27:43 <Macer> and am not removing ie7
Jul 09 22:27:51 <Macer> wonder if i have to go back to like 1 :)
Jul 09 22:27:57 <Macer> not/now
Jul 09 22:27:58 <Macer> haha
Jul 09 22:27:59 <GenericNode> KNY, and it's not mine.
Jul 09 22:28:05 <Macer> just so i can use chrome and only chrome on this xp netbook
Jul 09 22:29:05 <Macer> another xp reboot! weee! this thing has an atheros. maybe i should just install opensolaris on it
Jul 09 22:29:10 <spikebike> wow, crome only?
Jul 09 22:29:19 * sparkle_ chuckles
Jul 09 22:29:19 <spikebike> not sure I could give up firefox
Jul 09 22:29:38 <KNY> I love firefox, I just wish she would go on a diet
Jul 09 22:29:49 <spikebike> I thought that, then looked at ram prices
Jul 09 22:29:51 <b0nn> konqueror ftw
Jul 09 22:29:53 <JesusFreke> skinnyfox? :)
Jul 09 22:30:07 <spikebike> 2GB -> 6GB was $60 or something
Jul 09 22:30:54 <KNY> spikebike, I have 4GB
Jul 09 22:31:03 <KNY> but I still get pissed when Firefox uses 25% of that
Jul 09 22:31:20 <spikebike> what version of firefox?
Jul 09 22:31:27 <KNY> 3.0.latest
Jul 09 22:31:31 <KNY> I'm not on 3.5 yet
Jul 09 22:31:49 <spikebike> you've got firefox 3.0 up to 1GB resident?
Jul 09 22:32:01 <KNY> spikebike, yeah
Jul 09 22:32:07 <autojack> what AIM app do you guys recommend?
Jul 09 22:32:11 <KNY> pidgin
Jul 09 22:32:15 <autojack> I tried the Meebo one a few months ago and it sucked.
Jul 09 22:32:21 <spikebike> Mines 350MB and I have a few dozen tabs open
Jul 09 22:32:22 <autojack> there's pidgin for Android?
Jul 09 22:32:41 <KNY> autojack, connectbot+screen+finch
Jul 09 22:32:49 <itsrumsey> Macer: at best you'll be able to get down to 6 :)
Jul 09 22:32:54 <spikebike> connectbot + screen + irssi ;-)
Jul 09 22:32:57 <KNY> spikebike, it's more of a few gmail tabs and letting it sit for a few days
Jul 09 22:33:07 <JesusFreke> irssi does aim?
Jul 09 22:33:20 <itsrumsey> your firefox uses 1 gig of ram!?
Jul 09 22:33:21 <coldford> i hope android phones drop in price sometime soon
Jul 09 22:33:22 <spikebike> ah, mine doesn't leak, usually a greader, gmail, and gcal open for a month or so
Jul 09 22:33:23 <apic> Nite.
Jul 09 22:33:31 <autojack> KNY: that would be brutal.
Jul 09 22:33:31 <GenericNode> autojack, Hello IM! is fantastic
Jul 09 22:33:34 <GenericNode> But it's $10
Jul 09 22:33:34 <itsrumsey> even when im watching lots of movies, my hovers between 200-300mbs
Jul 09 22:33:47 <coldford> here in canada we have to either sign up for a shitty contract with rogers or pay $650 for just the phone
Jul 09 22:34:07 <autojack> GenericNode: bleah. I've had a Sidekick with an awesome free AIM app for 5+ years.
Jul 09 22:34:16 <spikebike> JesusFreke: http://bbrewer.livejournal.com/36925.html
Jul 09 22:34:19 <KNY> coldford, yeah, I paid $400 USD for mine. Stuff costs money. *shrug*
Jul 09 22:34:20 <GenericNode> autojack, don't you go sidekick on me in here.
Jul 09 22:34:24 <GenericNode> ;-)
Jul 09 22:34:26 <autojack> haha
Jul 09 22:34:36 <autojack> hey, I'm switching to Android for a reason :)
Jul 09 22:34:36 <JesusFreke> ah :)
Jul 09 22:34:38 <Macer> itsrumsey: yeah. i'm down to 6 now
Jul 09 22:34:38 <Macer> heh
Jul 09 22:34:44 <GenericNode> autojack, well there are quite a few free ones on the marketplace.
Jul 09 22:34:52 <autojack> yeah. so which ones are good?
Jul 09 22:34:53 <Macer> trying to see if i can get it to uninstall anything unnecessary as far as ie goes
Jul 09 22:34:57 <GenericNode> i have no idea
Jul 09 22:34:58 <autojack> since the Meebo one seems to suck. or did suck.
Jul 09 22:34:58 <GenericNode> well
Jul 09 22:35:01 <itsrumsey> I don't think you can get rid of 6
Jul 09 22:35:04 <autojack> it kept logging me out all the time.
Jul 09 22:35:06 <itsrumsey> but, maybe
Jul 09 22:35:07 <GenericNode> i tried 'Hi Aim" and it's okay.
Jul 09 22:35:21 <itsrumsey> autojack: my favorite IM clients are IM+ and mundu
Jul 09 22:35:30 <GenericNode> If you live in an area with poor service, like I do, you may be bumped off a lot.
Jul 09 22:35:43 <itsrumsey> both support aim/icq/yahoo/msn, if you use all that junk
Jul 09 22:35:45 <autojack> JesusFreke: what does your Android build use to enable tethering and stuff?
Jul 09 22:36:01 <autojack> I mean, what did you enable in the kernel?
Jul 09 22:36:11 <devendra_l> iptables support
Jul 09 22:36:24 <autojack> that's it?
Jul 09 22:36:43 <larry001> where should I go if I want to theme the lockscreen?
Jul 09 22:36:49 <autojack> GenericNode: yeah see that was obviously the beauty of Danger. the freaking IM proxy.
Jul 09 22:36:52 <devendra_l> yes I think so.  I can send you the config file if you need it
Jul 09 22:37:05 <GenericNode> and the sweet downtime that comes with the Danger network
Jul 09 22:37:19 <itsrumsey> larry001: seen stuff about it on xda
Jul 09 22:37:31 <autojack> devendra_l: nah that's OK. my friend was just saying that he thinks whatever it is that allows tethering also reduces network throughput.
Jul 09 22:37:41 <autojack> which is why Google didn't put it in the mainline branch.
Jul 09 22:38:12 <autojack> GenericNode: in all my time with a Sidekick I only experienced one noticeable Danger outage. that crazy 5 day one in 2004.
Jul 09 22:38:27 <autojack> I had a fair number of t-mobile issues though :)
Jul 09 22:38:40 * autojack wonders why he's switching to G1.
Jul 09 22:38:47 <GenericNode> from what i hear, all your crap on a sidekick is stored on the danger network
Jul 09 22:38:53 <grey-> lulz: http://myparentsjoinedfacebook.com/
Jul 09 22:39:00 <grey-> autojack: because you want android 2.0?
Jul 09 22:39:10 <JesusFreke> that sounds... dangerous :D
Jul 09 22:39:24 <grey-> autojack: you have a love hate relationship with your former employer and hope those who left got it right?
Jul 09 22:39:30 <autojack> haha
Jul 09 22:39:33 <autojack> damn you grey-
Jul 09 22:39:37 <grey-> autojack: >:)
Jul 09 22:39:39 <autojack> you're everywhere!
Jul 09 22:39:41 <grey-> autojack: how's it going dude?
Jul 09 22:39:44 <autojack> good.
Jul 09 22:39:53 <autojack> I don't have a love hate relationship anymore. just hate :)
Jul 09 22:39:54 <grey-> autojack: oh this channel is crazy. The guy who has grey (without the hyphen) is even on here.
Jul 09 22:40:04 <autojack> haha
Jul 09 22:40:05 * r3nrut is away: I'm busy
Jul 09 22:40:06 <grey-> autojack: hahah.  Kevin is still there afaik, poor guy.
Jul 09 22:40:21 <grey-> well Danger^wMicrosoft.
Jul 09 22:40:22 <autojack> eh, some days I wish I was.
Jul 09 22:40:29 <autojack> retention bonus was so good.
Jul 09 22:40:33 <grey-> haha.
Jul 09 22:40:41 <autojack> my cousin just quit. he said if he had stayed one more year he would have gotten another $50k.
Jul 09 22:40:52 <grey-> yeah, though from the way I hear it; many of those still there are just waiting for bonus stuff to cash out and then they're gone.
Jul 09 22:40:56 <autojack> ...which goes to show how terrible it is now.
Jul 09 22:41:00 <grey-> yeah. ;-/
Jul 09 22:41:03 <grey-> fucking MS.
Jul 09 22:41:06 <autojack> he chose unemployment over another $50k.
Jul 09 22:41:11 <grey-> *nod*
Jul 09 22:41:23 <grey-> it's a fair choice if the job is eating your life away.
Jul 09 22:41:28 <autojack> yeah
Jul 09 22:41:35 <grey-> think of spending $50k to improve the quality of your existence.
Jul 09 22:41:39 <autojack> he says they make you account for each hour of your day in some tool.
Jul 09 22:41:40 <grey-> doesn't sound too unreasonable.
Jul 09 22:41:44 <autojack> talk about soul sucking.
Jul 09 22:41:48 <grey-> wtf.
Jul 09 22:41:51 <grey-> that's retarded.
Jul 09 22:41:53 <autojack> anyway I didn't want to turn this into the Danger Sucks Now hour ;)
Jul 09 22:42:05 <grey-> autojack: did you get an android phone then?
Jul 09 22:42:17 <grey-> I never owned an SK.
Jul 09 22:42:28 <grey-> but I will say, the user experience on an SK is much errr faster.
Jul 09 22:42:31 <autojack> yeah my friend at Google loaned me his.
Jul 09 22:42:35 <autojack> I just went and got it.
Jul 09 22:42:37 <grey-> g1 though faster hw is sloooow.
Jul 09 22:42:42 <grey-> but it's very functional.
Jul 09 22:42:46 <grey-> great ssh client.
Jul 09 22:42:51 <grey-> browser pretty decent.
Jul 09 22:43:01 <grey-> I don't really use much else. *shrug*
Jul 09 22:43:02 <autojack> he loaned me one months ago but I resisted switching because the data is $10 more and if I switch back to the SK I'll still have to pay that.
Jul 09 22:43:24 <grey-> *nod*
Jul 09 22:43:29 <autojack> but now that the new SK LX is out and I hear it sucks and I would have to buy the more expensive data plan anyway to use it, I figured I might as well just go G1.
Jul 09 22:43:30 <grey-> yeah.
Jul 09 22:43:33 <autojack> and hope I don't regret it.
Jul 09 22:43:34 <grey-> do you know Eli?
Jul 09 22:43:35 <grey-> she's deaf.
Jul 09 22:43:39 <autojack> but a lot of my friends have had problems.
Jul 09 22:43:40 <grey-> sk user for years.
Jul 09 22:43:49 <autojack> not sure. I don't think so.
Jul 09 22:43:50 <grey-> and t-mobile doesn't offer a data only plan for the g1.
Jul 09 22:43:54 <autojack> ohhhh
Jul 09 22:43:55 <grey-> so she's on a SK still.
Jul 09 22:43:57 <autojack> someone told me about this.
Jul 09 22:44:07 <zinx> should sue them for discrimination
Jul 09 22:44:07 <grey-> because no fucking way is she going to pay for voice service she'll never use.
Jul 09 22:44:11 <grey-> it's pretty fucked.
Jul 09 22:44:14 <grey-> zinx: wtf, you're here too?
Jul 09 22:44:27 <zinx> i dunno who you are, but i'm everywhere
Jul 09 22:44:37 <autojack> lol
Jul 09 22:44:41 <grey-> I don't know why t-mobile decided to be dicks w/ the g1, but are fine data only.
Jul 09 22:44:46 <grey-> zinx: heh, not zinx from silc?
Jul 09 22:44:55 <zinx> grey-: probably not.
Jul 09 22:44:58 <grey-> ah, k.
Jul 09 22:45:04 <zinx> tell them to stop using my name
Jul 09 22:45:18 <grey-> *shrug* they've used it for almost a decade that I've been aware of.
Jul 09 22:45:26 <zinx> i've used it for /over/ a decade
Jul 09 22:45:34 <grey-> didn't know 'em before that.
Jul 09 22:45:38 <grey-> they might've too. ;)
Jul 09 22:45:45 <autojack> one friend's G1 went from having decent signal all the time to having almost none in the same places.
Jul 09 22:45:58 <autojack> compared it with another G1 side by side and the other was fine. same OS, radio, etc.
Jul 09 22:46:07 <autojack> so he thinks the antenna is jacked or something.
Jul 09 22:46:09 <autojack> :/
Jul 09 22:46:23 <autojack> ian broke the screen on his in the first week, just having it in his pocket.
Jul 09 22:46:35 <titefuzz> lol autojack
Jul 09 22:46:42 <titefuzz> my brother did that to a blackberry
Jul 09 22:46:44 <zinx> i carry my G1 around in my pocket
Jul 09 22:46:45 <titefuzz> 3rd day he had it
Jul 09 22:46:50 <zinx> not broke yet
Jul 09 22:46:53 <autojack> another friend had two, one which crashed all the time and another which dropped calls all the time.
Jul 09 22:47:05 <autojack> no issues in the same places with his other phone, as far as dropped calls.
Jul 09 22:47:24 <Qwell> hrm..  will I need a SIM in my ADP1 to do anything useful with it?
Jul 09 22:47:24 <autojack> yeah shrug
Jul 09 22:47:45 <zinx> Qwell: not if you have 1.1 or 1.5
Jul 09 22:47:47 <autojack> Qwell: I had a hard time activating my phone with wifi.
Jul 09 22:48:01 <bytesemantics> Hi all - can anyone help with Eclipse / Android SDK problems ?
Jul 09 22:48:04 <itsrumsey> someone broke a blackberry screen?
Jul 09 22:48:06 <itsrumsey> in their pocket?
Jul 09 22:48:08 <autojack> but I think it wasn't running the ADP build.
Jul 09 22:48:11 <Qwell> can I have 2 phones on one google account?
Jul 09 22:48:12 <itsrumsey> there should be a special prison for people like that
Jul 09 22:48:21 <grey-> autojack: oh wow, all you guys getting g1's?
Jul 09 22:48:26 <titefuzz> yeah itsrumsey
Jul 09 22:48:26 <zinx> Qwell: there shouldn't be a problem w/ that
Jul 09 22:48:36 <titefuzz> he bumped a display in a store
Jul 09 22:48:37 <itsrumsey> blackberry screens are made out of like a cross between titanium and adamantium
Jul 09 22:48:37 <grey-> autojack: HTC definitely shittier physical hardware design implementation than Sharp.
Jul 09 22:48:40 <titefuzz> and the screen broke
Jul 09 22:48:48 <Qwell> zinx: will the registration stuff "Just Work" if it's running 1.1/1.5?
Jul 09 22:48:49 <grey-> the keyboard on the sk3 is pretty solid.
Jul 09 22:48:53 <itsrumsey> that's what he gets for facing the screen outward in his pocket
Jul 09 22:49:02 <grey-> g1 keyboard... some of the keys need to be pressed hard. ;-/
Jul 09 22:49:04 <zinx> Qwell: don't know the details, but i think you can skip the registration on 1.1/1.5
Jul 09 22:49:19 <zinx> Qwell: ADP1 1.1/1.5, anyway
Jul 09 22:49:29 <Qwell> mmkay
Jul 09 22:49:31 <autojack> grey-: the hardware I have now is an ADP1 so it has a better kb :)
Jul 09 22:49:40 <autojack> but yeah everyone is getting G1s.
Jul 09 22:49:48 <autojack> it's what Danger should have made 2+ years ago.
Jul 09 22:49:56 <itsrumsey> i think  you can only skip the registration on adp firmware
Jul 09 22:49:57 <autojack> it even uses the same freaking processor as the new LX.
Jul 09 22:50:00 <autojack> stupid.
Jul 09 22:50:02 <itsrumsey> my OTA cupcake made me register :\
Jul 09 22:50:05 <Qwell> will my white G1 look hideous if I put the battery ADP1 cover on it?  We'll find out tonight!
Jul 09 22:50:24 <autojack> Andy Rubin must be irlolling at Danger
Jul 09 22:50:24 <zinx> itsrumsey: yes, it's an ADP1 thing
Jul 09 22:50:29 <grey-> autojack: yeah, slightly better.
Jul 09 22:51:01 <grey-> autojack: yeah; palm pre is more like where I'd expect google phone to be; but it's kinda iphone w/o apple if you look @ the devs.
Jul 09 22:51:12 * grey- is unsure where the chromeOS will go, since it has an arm target as well.
Jul 09 22:51:31 <itsrumsey> netbooks?
Jul 09 22:51:58 <grey-> <- not a fan of ARM.
Jul 09 22:52:07 <itsrumsey> why not
Jul 09 22:52:09 <grey-> not that I think x86 is good or anything.
Jul 09 22:52:09 <autojack> chrome is just linux with a new UI right?
Jul 09 22:52:13 <grey-> acorn = stupid computers.
Jul 09 22:52:39 <grey-> some of the newer atom/etc. x86 stuff is getting down to the same power levels as the newer arm stuff too.
Jul 09 22:52:45 <spikebike> grey the atom is pretty shockingly poor at performance for 30+ watts.
Jul 09 22:52:57 <grey-> I'd rather run the software that I have been able to for decades instead of writing new stuff.
Jul 09 22:52:59 <spikebike> grey er which x86 stuff is that?
Jul 09 22:53:03 <itsrumsey> yeah performance per watt i wouldn't say they are that close
Jul 09 22:53:10 <grey-> spikebike: depends on atom; there are 4W models now.
Jul 09 22:53:12 <spikebike> atom is what 100x the power usage? 1000?
Jul 09 22:53:24 <spikebike> grey sure, without graphics, I/O, or memory controller
Jul 09 22:53:54 <grey-> spikebike: I didn't say today.
Jul 09 22:54:04 <grey-> but the power footprints are getting closer to converging.
Jul 09 22:54:11 <spikebike> not particularly
Jul 09 22:54:20 <languish> [18:51] * grey- is unsure where the chromeOS will go, since it has an arm target as well.
Jul 09 22:54:20 <languish> [18:51] <itsrumsey> netbooks?
Jul 09 22:54:30 <languish> netbooks using arm = smartbooks
Jul 09 22:54:33 <grey-> languish: or phones. *shrug*
Jul 09 22:54:38 <spikebike> arm seems to be doing much better at doubling performance than intel is at halving power
Jul 09 22:54:56 <spikebike> note the apple 3GS is twice as fast as the 3G
Jul 09 22:54:58 <grey-> spikebike: and upping wattages in doing so.
Jul 09 22:55:06 <spikebike> not particularly
Jul 09 22:55:12 <spikebike> peak sure, average is about the same
Jul 09 22:55:23 <spikebike> and still measured in mw not watts
Jul 09 22:55:38 <spikebike> the dual core is coming out later this year I believe
Jul 09 22:55:47 <grey-> dualcore arms are 2Wish.
Jul 09 22:55:58 <grey-> and my g1 gets hot enough as it is.
Jul 09 22:56:15 <grey-> for something that is actually going to be in my pocket...
Jul 09 22:56:23 <grey-> no apple "not a laptop" excuses.
Jul 09 22:56:52 <spikebike> grey arm claims the 45nm dual core cortex a9 will have a higher peak, but a lower average then todays 65nm single core
Jul 09 22:56:54 <AakashPatel> i haz applez
Jul 09 22:57:10 <Falcon4ever> the G1 keeps you warm in winter and summer
Jul 09 22:57:11 <grey-> I hope it does. :)
Jul 09 22:57:13 <Falcon4ever> so thats a great deal
Jul 09 22:57:13 <Falcon4ever> :D
Jul 09 22:57:19 <grey-> Falcon4ever: haha, until the battery dies. ;)
Jul 09 22:57:25 <AakashPatel> lol
Jul 09 22:57:44 <Falcon4ever> ;
Jul 09 22:57:46 <Falcon4ever> ;|
Jul 09 22:58:13 <AakashPatel> Man I'm loving this keyboard and mouse
Jul 09 22:58:14 <Macer> hm
Jul 09 22:58:47 <Macer> know what. people were whining so much about their 401Ks
Jul 09 22:58:56 <Macer> but if they got in during the 1990s
Jul 09 22:59:01 <Macer> they are still doing absolutely great :)
Jul 09 22:59:14 <Macer> greedy bastards haha
Jul 09 22:59:26 <AakashPatel> Haha
Jul 09 23:00:10 <Macer> i'm watching the enron thing again
Jul 09 23:00:14 <Macer> love this documentary
Jul 09 23:00:15 <Macer> :)
Jul 09 23:00:21 <itsrumsey> whats it called, "Enron"?
Jul 09 23:00:22 <tlabwin> anyone want a free g1
Jul 09 23:00:31 <spikebike> yes
Jul 09 23:00:32 <Macer> itsrumsey: Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room
Jul 09 23:00:32 <itsrumsey> tlabwin: sure, i guess i'll take it
Jul 09 23:00:34 <tlabwin> wait nvm
Jul 09 23:00:43 <tlabwin> forgot about my friend
Jul 09 23:00:46 <itsrumsey> lol
Jul 09 23:00:57 <itsrumsey> AakashPatel: I'm sending the pandora guys an email
Jul 09 23:00:58 <Macer> it's awesome
Jul 09 23:01:01 <Macer> the ultimate con men
Jul 09 23:01:12 <itsrumsey> they're probably going to say, "why isn't he doing it on his beagleboard!?"
Jul 09 23:01:23 <itsrumsey> Macer have you seen Boiler Room?
Jul 09 23:01:24 <Macer> although i think that last guy has them all beat with  his 5billion$ ponzi scheme
Jul 09 23:01:24 <AakashPatel> itsrumsey: Yay!
Jul 09 23:01:38 <Macer> itsrumsey: no
Jul 09 23:01:42 <Macer> what's it about?
Jul 09 23:01:47 <itsrumsey> check it out, its a fictional movie
Jul 09 23:01:49 <AakashPatel> itsrumsey: Tell 'em I am, but I need actual production hardware to test on ;)
Jul 09 23:01:55 <itsrumsey> about con men running a stock market con
Jul 09 23:02:24 <itsrumsey> AakashPatel: really, if it runs on BB angstrom, it should work on pandora :)
Jul 09 23:02:30 <AakashPatel> STFU
Jul 09 23:02:32 <AakashPatel> :P
Jul 09 23:02:34 <Macer> itsrumsey: haha.. so it's the same movie with different poeple?
Jul 09 23:02:35 <AakashPatel> Lol
Jul 09 23:03:08 <Macer> i love how enron thought they were actually going to make profit off a power plant
Jul 09 23:03:11 <Macer> in india
Jul 09 23:03:11 <Macer> :)
Jul 09 23:03:21 <AakashPatel> Hah
Jul 09 23:03:42 <Macer> AakashPatel: no offense but india isn't known for its prosperity
Jul 09 23:03:57 <Macer> their power plant is in ruin since nobody could afford electricity
Jul 09 23:04:24 <AakashPatel> Macer: Duh
Jul 09 23:04:33 <AakashPatel> When I go to india I live like the rich with my gma
Jul 09 23:04:48 <Macer> AakashPatel: hahaha
Jul 09 23:05:00 <AakashPatel> Lol you should see her house
Jul 09 23:05:09 <AakashPatel> its BIG, with marble floors
Jul 09 23:05:12 <Macer> some parts of india are very nice depending on the caste
Jul 09 23:05:23 <Macer> but the rich caste is extremely small it seems :)
Jul 09 23:05:24 <Macer> haha
Jul 09 23:05:24 <spikebike> grey-: where did you get 2 watts, I'm seeing numbers more like 250 milliwatts
Jul 09 23:05:28 <AakashPatel> lol our neighbors live in a tin chack
Jul 09 23:05:29 <Macer> but i suppose that is normal
Jul 09 23:05:30 <AakashPatel> shack*
Jul 09 23:05:42 <Macer> AakashPatel: lol :) they must be in the lower caste
Jul 09 23:05:47 <AakashPatel> Hahaha
Jul 09 23:05:50 <spikebike> (dual core 1 GHz or so)
Jul 09 23:05:54 <Macer> do they still believe in that in india?
Jul 09 23:06:05 <Macer> that if you were born poor it was what you were meant to be so you will always stay like that?
Jul 09 23:06:21 <AakashPatel> Uh...
Jul 09 23:06:24 <spikebike> only 120 times less than the current atom
Jul 09 23:06:25 <AakashPatel> I don't know lol
Jul 09 23:06:42 <grey-> spikebike: *shrug* I was looking into this a couple months ago; some of the dualcore arm stuff was claiming that.  I can try to refind.
Jul 09 23:07:11 <grey-> I was trying to figure out what the difference was.
Jul 09 23:07:15 <spikebike> grey-: intel tried to stick x86's in a PDA so far the folks have run screaming away from it
Jul 09 23:07:35 <grey-> it seems like 2W on the high end for ARM, 4W on the low end for atom; but you're right the lack of gfx chipsets/etc. is a factor I hadn't calculated in that.
Jul 09 23:07:37 <spikebike> nobody wants tiny hot pdas with lousy battery life
Jul 09 23:07:55 <grey-> spikebike: well I think current smartphones are tiny and hot with lousy battery lives too. ;)
Jul 09 23:07:57 <spikebike> the atom CPU is the coolest thing is a netbook
Jul 09 23:08:12 <Macer> spikebike: that atom sucks
Jul 09 23:08:13 <spikebike> there's 2 other chips substantially hotter
Jul 09 23:08:15 <grey-> spikebike: I do unusually well w/ my g1's battery; but it's still much poorer than past phones.
Jul 09 23:08:17 <Macer> i'm on an aspireone now :)
Jul 09 23:08:22 <Macer> it lasts 5 hours
Jul 09 23:08:22 <Macer> haha
Jul 09 23:08:44 * grey- can get approx 3days on his phone between charges if he's lucky.
Jul 09 23:08:56 <Macer> grey-: that's doing well
Jul 09 23:08:56 <grey-> but I don't even talk two hours in a month usually.
Jul 09 23:09:05 <spikebike> yeah g1 battery life could be better, seems like a double whammy, it's actually tempting to use it pretty hard for surfing, games, etc.... use it like a laptop and you get more laptop like battery perf
Jul 09 23:09:06 <Macer> i usually get less than a day :)
Jul 09 23:09:10 <sipa1024> what phone, grey-?
Jul 09 23:09:17 <grey-> sipa1024: current phone?  g1.
Jul 09 23:09:22 <AakashPatel> On the phone?
Jul 09 23:09:28 <Macer> most 3G phones are like that though
Jul 09 23:09:32 <Macer> i don't think there are many that last too long
Jul 09 23:09:33 <grey-> *nod*
Jul 09 23:09:41 <Macer> unles you don' tuse it and leave it idle the entire time
Jul 09 23:09:45 <grey-> most people I know with these phones charge daily.
Jul 09 23:09:48 * AakashPatel charges his every day
Jul 09 23:09:50 <Macer> my g1 lasts a pretty long time when i don't touch it :)
Jul 09 23:09:52 <grey-> but, you'd be doing the same with an oqo.
Jul 09 23:09:57 <spikebike> In the most powerful configuration, Cortex A9 chips should be able to deliver up to 8,000 DMIPS (dhrystone million instructions per second) of performance with power consumption of around 250 milliwatts.
Jul 09 23:10:07 <spikebike> that's a quote I found at cnet
Jul 09 23:10:10 <grey-> (or well you would, it sounds like g00gle absorbed most of the Oqo people)
Jul 09 23:10:15 <AakashPatel> spikebike: thats...nothing...
Jul 09 23:10:19 <AakashPatel> 250milliwatts
Jul 09 23:10:20 <spikebike> typically that includes graphics controller, lcd controller, memory controller, and other goodies
Jul 09 23:11:12 <sipa1024> currently i have a old-fashioned samsung cell phone, and it is turned off half of the time because i forget to recharge it - i wonder what will happen if i have an android phone :)
Jul 09 23:11:14 <Macer> you have to love when they get to the popping tech bubble
Jul 09 23:11:15 <Macer> haha
Jul 09 23:11:44 <spikebike> in any case I think a future arm netbook could easily be nicer to use then today's atoms
Jul 09 23:11:56 <Macer> spikebike: i agree
Jul 09 23:11:57 <spikebike> hopefully with a small bit of gpu love from ati/nvidia
Jul 09 23:12:01 <Macer> which is why i'm waiting for this touch book
Jul 09 23:12:03 <Macer> :)
Jul 09 23:12:06 <Macer> which isn't released yet
Jul 09 23:12:08 <Macer> haha
Jul 09 23:12:21 <AakashPatel> Lol they end up being like that Kogan
Jul 09 23:12:46 <AakashPatel> Agora is what I think it's called
Jul 09 23:13:15 <Macer> kogan?
Jul 09 23:13:22 <AakashPatel> Kogan Agora
Jul 09 23:13:22 <rumsey> before my internet broke :\
Jul 09 23:13:25 <spikebike> I'm hoping for enough GPU to playback dvd, maybe light google earth/compviz us
Jul 09 23:13:27 <spikebike> use
Jul 09 23:13:28 <rumsey> [06:06] itsrumsey: Macer: No, the movie is about different people but I think you'll enjoy it
Jul 09 23:13:33 <grey-> can't run OSX on an arm netbook.
Jul 09 23:13:42 <spikebike> grey-: and that's a bad thing? ;-)
Jul 09 23:13:42 <Macer> grey-: screw osx haha
Jul 09 23:13:46 * AakashPatel cross compiles osx for ARM
Jul 09 23:13:52 <Macer> AakashPatel: haha
Jul 09 23:13:58 <grey-> . . . osx vs what.
Jul 09 23:14:00 <spikebike> actually are there any non-x86 darwin ports?
Jul 09 23:14:01 <grey-> linux? android?
Jul 09 23:14:02 <grey-> roflz.
Jul 09 23:14:04 <AakashPatel> the world!
Jul 09 23:14:04 <spikebike> is the ppc port dead?
Jul 09 23:14:04 <rumsey> Are we still debating whether arm or x86 is better for portables?
Jul 09 23:14:08 <Macer> opensolaris :)
Jul 09 23:14:09 * grey- likes to -use- his computers.
Jul 09 23:14:10 <Macer> ftw
Jul 09 23:14:17 <Macer> osx was supposed to use zfs
Jul 09 23:14:20 <Macer> because they know sun pwns them
Jul 09 23:14:23 <AakashPatel> Macer: Blah, I cant even get it to boot on my server
Jul 09 23:14:25 <AakashPatel> the live Cd
Jul 09 23:14:37 <Macer> AakashPatel: opensolaris?
Jul 09 23:14:39 <spikebike> Macer: sure, right up till apple got a good sniff of zfs
Jul 09 23:14:40 <Macer> wtf? :)
Jul 09 23:14:41 <AakashPatel> Yea
Jul 09 23:14:43 <AakashPatel> lol
Jul 09 23:14:45 <AakashPatel> 512MB RAM
Jul 09 23:14:54 <rumsey> who in gods name would want to run osx on arm netbook
Jul 09 23:14:55 <Macer> i don't see why not
Jul 09 23:14:56 * AakashPatel loves typing on this keyboard
Jul 09 23:14:59 <Macer> make a usb drive with it
Jul 09 23:15:02 <rumsey> i'm sure apple will make one of those soon anyway
Jul 09 23:15:07 <Macer> there's a script you can use
Jul 09 23:15:10 <rumsey> the iBook - only $2000
Jul 09 23:15:12 <AakashPatel> Macer: It would get to the desktop, then freeze
Jul 09 23:15:17 <AakashPatel> when bootin the live CD
Jul 09 23:15:22 <Macer> AakashPatel: bad disc?
Jul 09 23:15:25 <AakashPatel> NEVER
Jul 09 23:15:40 <AakashPatel> I verified it ;)
Jul 09 23:15:53 <Macer> ah. the enron unraveling
Jul 09 23:16:00 <Macer> the stuttering.. the fear
Jul 09 23:16:02 <Macer> lol
Jul 09 23:16:12 <AakashPatel> Macer: I could never get that enron movie thing to download :(
Jul 09 23:16:30 <Macer> AakashPatel: lol
Jul 09 23:16:56 <Macer> people in the enron meetings seem a little less enthusiastic
Jul 09 23:16:57 <AakashPatel> Mmm new apple hardware smell
Jul 09 23:17:24 <clearscreen> I can't get adb to detect my android device (htc magic) under ubuntu karmic; http://pastebin.com/d4d377dc1 - anyone know what else I can try?
Jul 09 23:17:25 <Macer> AakashPatel: too bad for you. best documentary ever
Jul 09 23:17:38 <AakashPatel> Macer: I bet I watched it on T.V. Before
Jul 09 23:17:46 <Macer> like. actual television?
Jul 09 23:17:49 <rumsey> AakashPatel shouldn't you be working on something? *cough cough* http://pandorawiki.org/Development_FAQ
Jul 09 23:17:51 <AakashPatel> No, the p0rns
Jul 09 23:18:00 <AakashPatel> rumsey: bleh, i worked this morning
Jul 09 23:18:21 <rumsey> how is mcgeagh(sp) doing?
Jul 09 23:18:34 <andern> someone who can help me remember an old point-and-click adventure game, pretty mwch the only thing i remember is that in the beginning of the game you push a priest out of a tower of a church so that he gets hanged or something
Jul 09 23:18:45 <AakashPatel> pretty good, hasnt been griping about gles 1.0 lol
Jul 09 23:18:52 <rumsey> he should go back to using SDL
Jul 09 23:18:57 <AakashPatel> O.o
Jul 09 23:18:59 <AakashPatel> WHAT?
Jul 09 23:18:59 <rumsey> lol
Jul 09 23:19:11 <AakashPatel> lulz
Jul 09 23:19:16 <rumsey> a combination of 1.1 and sdl
Jul 09 23:19:23 <AakashPatel> Yeah, and you like living?
Jul 09 23:19:29 <rumsey> lol
Jul 09 23:19:48 <rumsey> you know the driver supports sdl acceleration of some kind now
Jul 09 23:19:59 <rumsey> but im not a driver doctor
Jul 09 23:20:12 <clearscreen> anyone? USB debugging is enabled
Jul 09 23:20:14 <AakashPatel> Heh?
Jul 09 23:20:21 <AakashPatel> rumsey: furealz?
Jul 09 23:20:29 <AakashPatel> Bleh, we dont need it
Jul 09 23:20:30 <rumsey> lol which part?
Jul 09 23:20:31 <doc_savage> clearscreen: have you setup the udev rule?
Jul 09 23:20:39 <rumsey> am i joking about using sdl or am i joking about the acceleration?
Jul 09 23:20:41 <AakashPatel> the SDL accelleration
Jul 09 23:20:45 <clearscreen> doc_savage: yup, as you can see from the pastebin :)
Jul 09 23:20:47 <rumsey> no not joking about that part
Jul 09 23:20:59 <AakashPatel> rumsey: psshh..... gles > sdl
Jul 09 23:21:03 <rumsey> i agree
Jul 09 23:21:11 <rumsey> but i was just thinking, if he was still at a brick wall
Jul 09 23:21:12 <KNY> hey AakashPatel, I threw away a google voice invitation today :(
Jul 09 23:21:29 <AakashPatel> WHat?
Jul 09 23:21:32 <AakashPatel> why?
Jul 09 23:21:58 * AakashPatel could of sold it for $50
Jul 09 23:22:01 <rumsey> why and what is google voice
Jul 09 23:22:05 <AakashPatel> o.o
Jul 09 23:22:08 <KNY> AakashPatel, accident. I got one and went to activate it and decided I wanted to change the google account it's registered with. Well, as soon as you click the link, it's gone, even if you never activated it
Jul 09 23:22:10 <AakashPatel> rumsey: google.com/voice
Jul 09 23:22:23 <AakashPatel> KNY: :|
Jul 09 23:22:28 <KNY> pretty weak
Jul 09 23:22:34 <AakashPatel> That's some BS
Jul 09 23:22:38 <KNY> yep
Jul 09 23:22:48 <AakashPatel> So if you click the link you *have* to finish
Jul 09 23:22:56 <KNY> yep
Jul 09 23:23:03 <AakashPatel> Oh man, report that as a bug lol
Jul 09 23:23:36 <KNY> haha
Jul 09 23:23:54 <rumsey> yeah i want google to have transcripts of all my voicemails
Jul 09 23:24:00 <AakashPatel> Haha
Jul 09 23:24:01 <KNY> someone from google voice actually contacted me today to warn me about an upcoming API change haha
Jul 09 23:24:03 <_Auron|G1_> is there a way to dump logcat to a file?
Jul 09 23:24:04 <KNY> rumsey, you can turn it off
Jul 09 23:24:13 <KNY> _Auron|G1_, `adb logcat > file.txt`
Jul 09 23:24:17 <grindking> xda site is slower than life
Jul 09 23:24:19 <AakashPatel> _Auron|G1_: adb logcat > file.tx?
Jul 09 23:24:21 <AakashPatel> aw
Jul 09 23:24:23 <rumsey> I can get calls on all my phones! :D All 1 of them
Jul 09 23:24:23 <AakashPatel> beat me
Jul 09 23:24:28 <_Auron|G1_> there's a major bug in my engine that might be something caused on init, it's random
Jul 09 23:24:44 <KNY> rumsey, don't want it? terrific! there's a solution for that--don't use it. what a concept!
Jul 09 23:24:53 <AakashPatel> KNY: No way!
Jul 09 23:24:56 <AakashPatel> How did you think of that!
Jul 09 23:25:08 <_Auron|G1_> the framerate caps at 48fps or so randomly, but always after a compile+run
Jul 09 23:25:16 <_Auron|G1_> okay thanks aakash
Jul 09 23:25:17 <KNY> same concept applies to twitter, facebook, myspace, digg, irc, and pretty much everything on the internet
Jul 09 23:25:29 <_Auron|G1_> I'll test in a bit
Jul 09 23:25:49 <rumsey> i didn't say i don't want it, i want everything - i'm just greedy like that
Jul 09 23:25:56 <rumsey> someone seems bitter they thew away their invite :)
Jul 09 23:25:57 <Keychar> why is android killing the GPRS/EDGE/3G connection on incomming/outgoing calls?
Jul 09 23:26:11 <AakashPatel> No it doesnt
Jul 09 23:26:14 <AakashPatel> I think
Jul 09 23:26:17 <AakashPatel> Oh, yes it does
Jul 09 23:26:18 <Keychar> it does for me
Jul 09 23:26:19 <AakashPatel> lol
Jul 09 23:26:21 <KNY> rumsey, I've had an account for years
Jul 09 23:26:35 <Keychar> why?
Jul 09 23:26:40 <KNY> Keychar, because it has to
Jul 09 23:26:43 <rumsey> a err... google voice account?
Jul 09 23:26:47 <KNY> rumsey, yes
Jul 09 23:26:51 <rumsey> fancy
Jul 09 23:26:53 <AakashPatel> rumsey: grand central ;)
Jul 09 23:26:55 <KNY> rumsey, it was GrandCentral before it was Google Voice.
Jul 09 23:27:01 <rumsey> oh yeah
Jul 09 23:27:06 <Keychar> KNY: why? other platforms doesn't have to :S
Jul 09 23:27:12 <KNY> Keychar, yeah they do
Jul 09 23:27:16 <AakashPatel> Hm, apple calls something grandcentral
Jul 09 23:27:21 <KNY> AakashPatel, yeah, something else
Jul 09 23:27:32 <AakashPatel> Hm, something about CPU cores and developers
Jul 09 23:28:00 <Keychar> so white pages and such services uses SMS, or what?
Jul 09 23:28:02 <KNY> Keychar, jasta explained it a while back; something to do with frequencies. Anyway, it shouldn't kill 3G
Jul 09 23:28:12 <KNY> just GPRS/EDGE
Jul 09 23:28:21 <Keychar> ahaa, that's a great releif, thanks
Jul 09 23:28:28 <AakashPatel> Oh
Jul 09 23:28:39 <AakashPatel> That's why whitepages doesnt work on EDGE/GPRS
Jul 09 23:28:44 <Keychar> I haven't 3G activated, so maybe I was too quick to draw a conclusion
Jul 09 23:28:45 <AakashPatel> I thought that they we're just stupid
Jul 09 23:28:55 <AakashPatel> we'er/were
Jul 09 23:28:56 <KNY> we're?
Jul 09 23:28:57 <KNY> haha
Jul 09 23:29:00 <Keychar> were :P
Jul 09 23:29:06 <KNY> takes one to know one, I guess :)
Jul 09 23:29:07 <Keychar> aah, :P
Jul 09 23:29:08 <rumsey> interesting... whenever i receive/make calls my 3g drops TO edge
Jul 09 23:29:12 <Keychar> lol, I'm tired :P
Jul 09 23:29:15 <AakashPatel> Hhahaha
Jul 09 23:29:29 <KNY> rumsey, but if you just have edge then it gets totally killed
Jul 09 23:29:32 <AakashPatel> rumsey: Not posible
Jul 09 23:29:36 <AakashPatel> edge would get killed
Jul 09 23:29:48 <rumsey> I'm pretty sure
Jul 09 23:29:53 <AakashPatel> Check
Jul 09 23:29:54 <rumsey> like... 99%
Jul 09 23:29:55 <AakashPatel> Now.
Jul 09 23:29:57 <AakashPatel> :)
Jul 09 23:29:59 <rumsey> alright one sec
Jul 09 23:30:05 <rumsey> i'll use speaker phone so i can look
Jul 09 23:30:10 <Keychar> can someone copy/paste the text about why it's so? seems like interesting reading :P
Jul 09 23:30:19 <Keychar> PM me? :)
Jul 09 23:30:24 <AakashPatel> What?
Jul 09 23:30:35 <AakashPatel> Keychar: Cuz the radio is being used for voice
Jul 09 23:30:39 <AakashPatel> there is your explination
Jul 09 23:30:41 <AakashPatel> :)
Jul 09 23:30:42 <KNY> Keychar, I might be able to find it in my logs
Jul 09 23:31:06 <Keychar> so it's totally blocked, ok, thanks
Jul 09 23:31:12 <AakashPatel> Yeah
Jul 09 23:31:21 <AakashPatel> >>> |
Jul 09 23:31:23 <AakashPatel> ;)
Jul 09 23:31:35 <rumsey> hmm nothing happened on that call, but i was only able to make it last about 20 seconds
Jul 09 23:31:45 <AakashPatel> Lol
Jul 09 23:31:49 <rumsey> I could swear like 80% of the time i get off the phone, press end, and im on edge
Jul 09 23:31:59 <AakashPatel> Youz gezzed wrong
Jul 09 23:32:06 <rumsey> i guess so
Jul 09 23:32:59 <KNY> Keychar, http://pastebin.com/m6c9d09f4
Jul 09 23:33:11 <Keychar> thanks
Jul 09 23:33:53 <AakashPatel> Thats some crazy shiz
Jul 09 23:34:19 <KNY> jasta is one smart dude
Jul 09 23:34:39 <Keychar> that is some crazy shit indeed
Jul 09 23:35:27 <AakashPatel> Aw, so no web browsing while a cell phone call
Jul 09 23:35:37 <romainguy_> AakashPatel: on EDGE
Jul 09 23:35:41 <AakashPatel> Yeah
Jul 09 23:35:46 <AakashPatel> Thats what I have lol
Jul 09 23:35:48 <AakashPatel> ATT
Jul 09 23:40:04 <sparkle_> yeah you need EDGE class A to do both simultaneously
Jul 09 23:40:11 <sparkle_> i don't know how many handsets there are like that out right now
Jul 09 23:40:33 <Keychar> damn, I thought I could stick to EDGE to spare my batteries :\
Jul 09 23:41:33 <Macer> AakashPatel: you are so missing the best part. where enron rapes the hell out of california's power grid and totally screws the entire state
Jul 09 23:41:37 <sparkle_> Keychar: not really
Jul 09 23:41:46 <Macer> while the traders are laughing to one another on the phone about how there is a wildfire by the powerlines
Jul 09 23:41:52 <AakashPatel> Macer: stream me the movie :)
Jul 09 23:42:05 <Macer> lol.. hm.. hold on...
Jul 09 23:42:28 <AakashPatel> You haz fast internets?
Jul 09 23:42:43 <Macer> yah
Jul 09 23:42:52 <AakashPatel> :D
Jul 09 23:47:15 <southern_knight> yawn
Jul 09 23:48:19 <Macer> wow i totally forgot greg davis was recalled :)
Jul 09 23:51:02 <_Auron_> okay so adjusting bg effect colorization (for more versatile control), adding in asteroids, possible debugging the init fps cap bug, and making another vid are what I'm doing today
Jul 09 23:51:26 <AakashPatel> Damn boi
Jul 09 23:51:31 <AakashPatel> That's alot of work
Jul 09 23:51:40 <AakashPatel> I gave up working at like 1pm lol
Jul 09 23:51:47 <_Auron_> I think I'll work on custom font with string displaying next week
Jul 09 23:53:11 <KNY> AakashPatel, since you're not doing anything, help me figure out ClientLogin :)
Jul 09 23:53:25 <AakashPatel> For what?
Jul 09 23:53:28 <AakashPatel> HTTP?
Jul 09 23:53:35 <AakashPatel> Heh?
Jul 09 23:53:56 <KNY> GV
Jul 09 23:54:09 <AakashPatel> Yeah, but...wtf is ClientLogin
Jul 09 23:54:21 <KNY> Google's user login API
Jul 09 23:54:35 <AakashPatel> O.o
Jul 09 23:54:47 <AakashPatel> I "tried" using thier API's one day
Jul 09 23:55:05 <AakashPatel> ...gave up
Jul 09 23:56:25 <KNY> haha
Jul 09 23:58:21 <KNY> I don't have a choice, unfortunately
Jul 09 23:59:26 <AakashPatel> How were you logging in before?
Jul 09 23:59:56 <KNY> unsupported APIs :)
Jul 10 00:00:02 <KNY> that's what they emailed me about--they're removing them
Jul 10 00:01:05 <KNY> and, if I'm reading this right, then once they're logged in, they will never have to log in again :)
Jul 10 00:01:17 <rumsey> fancy
Jul 10 00:02:35 <Hazelesque> ooh, when did you guys fix that dumb thing where the phone would wake when you slam it shut? that used to irritate me
Jul 10 00:02:53 <Hazelesque> (ie, you'd turn the phone off, then slam the keyboard shut, and it'd wake up again, because that's /obviously/ what I intended. not.)
Jul 10 00:03:10 <Hazelesque> (s/off/sleep/)
Jul 10 00:03:12 <KNY> Hazelesque, that's hardware, and usually the problem is the reverse
Jul 10 00:03:20 <Hazelesque> hmm?
Jul 10 00:03:34 <KNY> Hazelesque, nevermind, now I'm completely lost.
Jul 10 00:03:48 <Hazelesque> well
Jul 10 00:04:06 <Hazelesque> if the screen is flipped out on the G1, so you expose the keyboard and are in landscape mode...
Jul 10 00:04:19 <Hazelesque> you hit "end" to turn the screen off (ie, lock and go to sleep)
Jul 10 00:04:28 <Hazelesque> and then slam the screen shut
Jul 10 00:04:35 <Hazelesque> it used to wake up when you did that
Jul 10 00:04:38 <Hazelesque> which was irritating
Jul 10 00:04:54 <Hazelesque> and I only recently noticed that it doesn't do that [waking up when you slam it shut thing] anymore, yay
Jul 10 00:05:02 <Macer> hm
Jul 10 00:05:14 <tmzt> wasnqt that a hardware thing?
Jul 10 00:05:34 <Hazelesque> well, I have not replaced my G1, I'm going to assume that a software update changed that?
Jul 10 00:05:48 <Hazelesque> (it certainly still wakes when you flip the screen out, which is desirable)
Jul 10 00:06:48 <Macer> damn i just realized that i didn't try to connect to my phone with this netbook
Jul 10 00:06:52 <Macer> watch the adhoc crap not work :)
Jul 10 00:07:37 <rumsey> Hazelesque: doesn't it make sense to close the phone before you put it to sleep? I never encountered that "bug"
Jul 10 00:07:46 <rumsey> but if its as you say, it must have been a software change
Jul 10 00:08:56 <Hazelesque> rumsey: some applications do dumb things when you rotate them
Jul 10 00:09:09 <Hazelesque> so I might prefer not to rotate that application to portrait before closing
Jul 10 00:09:17 <Hazelesque> I suppose I could hit home, then slam shut, then end
Jul 10 00:09:23 <Hazelesque> but ++faff
Jul 10 00:09:55 <rumsey> I see what you're saying, I guess I've had 1.5 since I've owned my phone so closing the keyboard doesn't mean my apps go to portrait
Jul 10 00:09:58 <rumsey> i guess pre cupcake
Jul 10 00:10:10 <Hazelesque> also, if it goes to sleep "naturally" when flipped open, I would often flip it shut to put it away
Jul 10 00:10:15 <Hazelesque> and so waking up then would be irritating
Jul 10 00:10:25 <rumsey> i see
Jul 10 00:10:33 <Hazelesque> in a "if I want you to wake up, I will press the end key" way
Jul 10 00:10:35 <rumsey> especially if your sleep time is above 30 seconds or so
Jul 10 00:11:10 <AakashPatel> oh this is nice, if i have both fingers on the mouse i cant right click
Jul 10 00:11:17 <AakashPatel> hi-tech fails me once again
Jul 10 00:11:36 <Macer> if you have both fingers on the mouse? :)
Jul 10 00:11:42 <Macer> wtf?
Jul 10 00:11:46 <AakashPatel> lollllll
Jul 10 00:11:55 <AakashPatel> mighty mouse, fill inthe blanks
Jul 10 00:12:07 <Macer> never saw one
Jul 10 00:12:14 <AakashPatel> you live in a box
Jul 10 00:12:18 <AakashPatel> haha
Jul 10 00:13:09 <AakashPatel> LOL i thought i had a p0rn clip on my desktop
Jul 10 00:13:19 <Qwell> holy hell the keyboard on the black G1/ADP1 is shiny
Jul 10 00:13:21 <rumsey> then you were sad you didn't :*(
Jul 10 00:13:42 <Macer> haha
Jul 10 00:13:46 <AakashPatel> Qwell: yep
Jul 10 00:13:47 <AakashPatel> :)
Jul 10 00:13:50 <AakashPatel> rumsey: hah
Jul 10 00:14:00 <Qwell> I'm coming from a white one..  no wonder people hate mine!
Jul 10 00:14:23 <AakashPatel> lol
Jul 10 00:14:24 <Qwell> this one feels a lot tighter opening and closing too..  I think mine is faulty O.o
Jul 10 00:14:29 <AakashPatel> and btw
Jul 10 00:14:37 <AakashPatel> the black g1 and adp1 are differnt shades
Jul 10 00:14:44 <Qwell> oh are they?
Jul 10 00:14:46 <AakashPatel> and the black g1 doesnt have shiney back
Jul 10 00:14:53 <AakashPatel> keyboard thing
Jul 10 00:14:56 <Qwell> ahh
Jul 10 00:15:04 <AakashPatel> that reminds me
Jul 10 00:15:04 <Qwell> no wonder I didn't notice these things on my wifes :P
Jul 10 00:15:07 <AakashPatel> i needa call HTC tomorrow
Jul 10 00:15:26 * AakashPatel is spazzing out about his space key halfway working
Jul 10 00:16:22 <AakashPatel> hm
Jul 10 00:16:31 <AakashPatel> who would i contact on warranty?
Jul 10 00:16:49 <AakashPatel> on the ADP1
Jul 10 00:18:08 <rumsey> htc?
Jul 10 00:18:21 <rumsey> Grrrrr, does anyone know of an app to search txt messages?
Jul 10 00:18:24 <AakashPatel> hm
Jul 10 00:18:26 <AakashPatel> okay
Jul 10 00:19:07 <grindking> rumsey: i back my sms to gmail and can search there
Jul 10 00:20:01 <AakashPatel> how do you do that?'
Jul 10 00:20:08 <grindking> wow is gmail down right now
Jul 10 00:20:14 <grindking> aakashpatel: sms backup app
Jul 10 00:20:28 <AakashPatel> ew
Jul 10 00:20:28 <rumsey> hmm I guess i need to do that
Jul 10 00:20:37 <AakashPatel> grindking: gmail aint down here
Jul 10 00:20:39 <rumsey> its going to clog up my gmail though, lol
Jul 10 00:20:42 <grindking> there are some search apps rumsey
Jul 10 00:20:48 <grindking> it puts it into a sms label
Jul 10 00:21:05 <rumsey> yeah I could have sworn i saw sms search apps before
Jul 10 00:21:08 <rumsey> just cant remember the name
Jul 10 00:21:22 <rumsey> cyrket is down :(
Jul 10 00:21:24 <grindking> hrm
Jul 10 00:21:25 <grindking> hold on
Jul 10 00:22:07 <AakashPatel> htc has a tech support line o.o
Jul 10 00:22:08 <AakashPatel> amazing
Jul 10 00:22:21 <rumsey> its almost like they're a real business!
Jul 10 00:22:25 <AakashPatel> and they're american
Jul 10 00:22:27 <AakashPatel> o.o
Jul 10 00:22:43 <AakashPatel> a white guy was on the phone lol
Jul 10 00:22:55 <_Auron_> oh snap
Jul 10 00:23:55 <AakashPatel> i wasnt' expecting that at all lol
Jul 10 00:24:04 <grindking> im pretty sure there's a search widget
Jul 10 00:24:46 <rumsey> grindking: thanks but nevermind, i'll try again when cyrkets up
Jul 10 00:24:57 <rumsey> im okay for now, i found the information i was looking for in msn logs :)
Jul 10 00:25:02 <rumsey> just didn't know my new address
Jul 10 00:39:36 <AakashPatel> Aw
Jul 10 00:39:43 <AakashPatel> HTC cust support center is closed
Jul 10 00:40:28 <rumsey> that white guy screwed you good
Jul 10 00:40:47 <AakashPatel> i know :(
Jul 10 00:41:03 <AakashPatel> "hey ill xfer you to our repair center!"
Jul 10 00:41:03 <rumsey> he's like, "hello HTC how may I help you?  Excuse me sir can you hold for just a moment" *waits 15 minutes* "Sorry sir, but we're closed now. Please call back tomorrow :)"
Jul 10 00:41:11 <AakashPatel> pretty much
Jul 10 00:41:18 <AakashPatel> exactly actually lol
Jul 10 00:41:23 <rumsey> haha
Jul 10 00:41:28 <rumsey> he was the support center
Jul 10 00:41:36 <AakashPatel> lol i called twice
Jul 10 00:41:41 <AakashPatel> the first time i hung up real quick
Jul 10 00:41:46 <AakashPatel> but the second time, it was the same guy
Jul 10 00:42:01 <GenericNode> you called and hung up?
Jul 10 00:42:02 <rumsey> He's the only one there, and he doesn't want to work right before going home
Jul 10 00:42:09 <GenericNode> i would transfer you to a closed department too
Jul 10 00:42:10 <AakashPatel> GenericNode: I was seening if they were open
Jul 10 00:42:21 <AakashPatel> seeing*
Jul 10 00:42:33 <AakashPatel> rumsey: haha
Jul 10 00:42:40 <AakashPatel> He asked me what phone i had
Jul 10 00:42:44 <AakashPatel> "android dev phone 1"
Jul 10 00:42:50 <AakashPatel> "uh...what model?"
Jul 10 00:43:08 <GenericNode> because HTC calls it the Dream
Jul 10 00:43:14 <AakashPatel> cuz thier pusses
Jul 10 00:43:25 * GenericNode sighs
Jul 10 00:43:45 <AakashPatel> They needa train thier "elite" fleet of cust support reps to know street slang
Jul 10 00:43:47 <AakashPatel> haha
Jul 10 00:44:17 <AakashPatel> "yo brotha, what phone you rockin these days"
Jul 10 00:44:41 <AakashPatel> GenericNode: what would you know! you're generic!
Jul 10 00:44:44 <tlabwin> g1 rocks
Jul 10 00:44:45 <AakashPatel> :)
Jul 10 00:44:49 <rumsey> You should've said the space bar on my Magic isn't working
Jul 10 00:44:58 <AakashPatel> rumsey: hahah i will tomorrow
Jul 10 00:45:16 <rumsey> let him figure that one out
Jul 10 00:45:26 <rumsey> "Uhh, we're going to have to escalate this request sir"
Jul 10 00:45:32 <AakashPatel> Haha
Jul 10 00:45:51 <AakashPatel> this escalaation is pulling out the manual probably
Jul 10 00:46:21 <AakashPatel> damn it, i just saved an incorrect word
Jul 10 00:46:22 <tlabwin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dewMwv4eQIk
Jul 10 00:46:24 <AakashPatel> on the htc ime
Jul 10 00:46:25 <tlabwin> forward to 4:00
Jul 10 00:46:29 <tlabwin> and watch the show down!
Jul 10 00:46:41 <tlabwin> tmobile g1 always lands in last place
Jul 10 00:46:43 <tlabwin> :(
Jul 10 00:47:39 <AakashPatel> duh, thats how cool we are
Jul 10 00:51:18 <b0nn> hmm, when an sms is received, how long does it take before that sms has been added to the messages db?
Jul 10 00:53:05 <AakashPatel> Uh
Jul 10 00:53:10 <AakashPatel> its immediate
Jul 10 00:53:27 <b0nn> no it's not
Jul 10 00:53:35 <AakashPatel> how?
Jul 10 00:53:37 <AakashPatel> it sorta has to be
Jul 10 00:53:51 <b0nn> well, I read the db immediately after an sms is read
Jul 10 00:53:54 <b0nn> er received
Jul 10 00:54:16 <b0nn> and the cursor is showing the previous message as first in the queue
Jul 10 00:54:20 <b0nn> every time
Jul 10 00:54:41 <b0nn> so, my cursor must be reading the db too soon after an sms is received
Jul 10 00:54:42 <AakashPatel> how did you look into the DB?
Jul 10 00:55:03 <b0nn> Cursor c =   cr.query(Uri.parse("content://sms/inbox"),null, null,null, null);
Jul 10 00:55:13 <AakashPatel> Hm
Jul 10 00:58:10 <b0nn> yeah
Jul 10 00:58:54 <rumsey> damn that pre browser is fast
Jul 10 00:59:41 <spikebike> it better be
Jul 10 00:59:54 <spikebike> apparently you are never really outside the browser
Jul 10 01:00:01 <spikebike> the entire desktop/gui is on top of webkit
Jul 10 01:00:02 <rumsey> lol, well it is
Jul 10 01:00:11 <rumsey> hence the name... WebOS
Jul 10 01:00:32 <tmzt> yeah, webkit is in process to luna which is the compositing manager
Jul 10 01:01:07 <rumsey> what looks better, luna or rosie?
Jul 10 01:01:07 <AakashPatel> Lol didn't apple say something about iphone's os being like that?
Jul 10 01:01:48 <itp> the pre having a cortex a8 doesn't hurt anything either
Jul 10 01:01:52 <itp> in terms of speed
Jul 10 01:02:20 <AakashPatel> It has one???
Jul 10 01:02:24 <AakashPatel> O.O
Jul 10 01:02:39 <spikebike> yeah, apparently the palm pre/3gs are both about twice as fast as the older iphone
Jul 10 01:02:58 <spikebike> I'm hope something similar comes with android soon, either that or a nice android port to the pre
Jul 10 01:03:05 <spikebike> (or 3gs *grin*)
Jul 10 01:03:22 <Qwell> I have to manually update this ADP1 to 1.5, don't I?
Jul 10 01:03:40 <rumsey> yeah AakashPatel, the pre and iphone 3g S have omap3
Jul 10 01:03:40 <itp> yeah, i'm sitting on my g1 until there's an android set with a significantly faster processor
Jul 10 01:04:02 <AakashPatel> Oh man
Jul 10 01:04:03 <itp> that s-e handset looks interesting
Jul 10 01:04:05 <spikebike> yeah I'm hoping for double the pixels, double the ram, and double the cpu
Jul 10 01:04:08 <rumsey> itp: likewise im not upgraded for 100 megs of ram or whatever
Jul 10 01:04:10 <AakashPatel> thats faaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssstttttttttt
Jul 10 01:04:24 <spikebike> I miss my n800 screen
Jul 10 01:04:55 <rumsey> then again if my g1 had an omap3 i guess i wouldn't need a pandora at all :)
Jul 10 01:05:11 <AakashPatel> lol
Jul 10 01:05:13 <AakashPatel> true that
Jul 10 01:05:45 <rumsey> have you seen anything about those coretx 9 multicores?
Jul 10 01:06:31 <itp> i'm not excited about the hero or, from the sound of it, the new motorola android sets, except inasmuch as they promote android development and hopefully spur someone to put together some really killer hardware
Jul 10 01:06:32 <AakashPatel> no
Jul 10 01:06:42 <itp> i'm willing to pay to be high end, but damnit, i want high end
Jul 10 01:06:50 <tlabwin> yeah
Jul 10 01:06:54 <rumsey> yeah
Jul 10 01:06:56 <AakashPatel> itp: you bought the dream! haha
Jul 10 01:06:56 <tlabwin> maybe next year
Jul 10 01:07:18 <spikebike> 800x480, >= 256MB ram, and a 3gs/palm pre like cpu seems possible
Jul 10 01:07:19 <itp> AakashPatel: hey, i like my phone, and i wanted to support android phones
Jul 10 01:07:25 <spikebike> hell HTC sells similar int he windows mobile line
Jul 10 01:07:40 <tlabwin> it makes me soo mad
Jul 10 01:07:41 <AakashPatel> i want that
Jul 10 01:07:51 <AakashPatel> a phone with that reas
Jul 10 01:07:54 <AakashPatel> res*
Jul 10 01:07:56 <rumsey> yeah i bought the g1 to support android OS too, i think its the best OS on a phone... just not the fastest
Jul 10 01:10:04 <spikebike> is there even a difference in the hardware of the hero vs mytouch3g?
Jul 10 01:10:07 <spikebike> just software?
Jul 10 01:10:13 <AakashPatel> lol i just sniffed my keyboard
Jul 10 01:10:21 <AakashPatel> for the new smell
Jul 10 01:10:23 <rumsey> spikebike not really
Jul 10 01:10:27 * AakashPatel has a problem
Jul 10 01:10:54 <AakashPatel> The Hero has a metal shell, right?
Jul 10 01:11:36 <tlabwin> damn i'm getting a pre
Jul 10 01:11:47 <AakashPatel> lol
Jul 10 01:13:04 <tmzt> rumsey: 3gs is not omap3
Jul 10 01:13:09 <rumsey> its not?
Jul 10 01:13:11 <tmzt> rumsey: it's a similar samsung soc
Jul 10 01:13:24 <rumsey> someone said it was coretx 8
Jul 10 01:13:46 <AakashPatel> you fail rumsey
Jul 10 01:13:52 <rumsey> don't believe him
Jul 10 01:13:54 <rumsey> http://images.appleinsider.com/arm061009.png
Jul 10 01:15:00 <AakashPatel> Everything on the internets are true!
Jul 10 01:15:04 <AakashPatel> even tables!
Jul 10 01:15:06 <AakashPatel> lol
Jul 10 01:15:19 <rumsey> exactly
Jul 10 01:15:22 <rumsey> i made that and uploaded it
Jul 10 01:15:32 <AakashPatel> then it must be true
Jul 10 01:15:42 * AakashPatel saves the table for future reference
Jul 10 01:15:44 <AakashPatel> :P
Jul 10 01:16:13 <AakashPatel> How many devices can I pair with bluetoof?
Jul 10 01:16:17 <AakashPatel> at once
Jul 10 01:16:21 <rumsey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone#Hardware
Jul 10 01:16:28 <rumsey> 3GS: ARM Cortex-A8
Jul 10 01:16:43 <rumsey> tmzt: where are you getting your information?
Jul 10 01:17:26 <clearscreen> Sorry for repeating myself, but I'd really like to get this working; I can't get adb to detect my android device (htc magic) under ubuntu karmic; http://pastebin.com/d4d377dc1 - USB debugging is enabled as well... anyone know what else I can try?
Jul 10 01:18:08 <AakashPatel> clearscreen: http://d.android.com/guide/developing/device.html
Jul 10 01:18:12 <AakashPatel> the bottom of that page
Jul 10 01:18:15 <AakashPatel> the udev rules
Jul 10 01:18:25 <clearscreen> AakashPatel: check the pastebin link
Jul 10 01:18:29 <tlabwin> https://omapzoom.org/gf/project/omapandroid/wiki/?pagename=FrontPage
Jul 10 01:18:56 <AakashPatel> clearscreen: did you do that chmod thing>
Jul 10 01:19:02 <clearscreen> AakashPatel: yes
Jul 10 01:19:08 <AakashPatel> hm
Jul 10 01:19:14 <AakashPatel> ah
Jul 10 01:19:16 <AakashPatel> kill adb
Jul 10 01:19:20 <AakashPatel> adb kill-server
Jul 10 01:19:23 <AakashPatel> killall adb
Jul 10 01:19:28 <AakashPatel> then do sudo adb devices
Jul 10 01:19:48 <devendra_l> anyone working on the android ti driver ?
Jul 10 01:19:57 <rumsey> tlabwin: i've seen this but i think its at a pretty early stage
Jul 10 01:20:26 <rumsey> http://elinux.org/Android_on_OMAP
Jul 10 01:20:41 <clearscreen> AakashPatel: android tools dir isn't in my root's path and it isn't supposed to be (root shouldn't be needed to detect the device)
Jul 10 01:20:51 <AakashPatel> uh
Jul 10 01:21:03 <AakashPatel> you have to try starting adb as root
Jul 10 01:21:12 <AakashPatel> or i cant go any further :P
Jul 10 01:21:54 <zinx> clearscreen: you need to configure udev to allow your user to access it
Jul 10 01:22:06 <AakashPatel> zinx: he did
Jul 10 01:22:08 <clearscreen> zinx: there IS a udev rule
Jul 10 01:22:28 <zinx> clearscreen: is it the CORRECT udev rule, and did you cause udev to re-load the configuration, and did you re-plug the device so udev used the configuration?
Jul 10 01:22:45 <clearscreen> Although it seems that there is indeed a permission issue, because root indeed does detect the device.
Jul 10 01:22:51 <AakashPatel> hm...those docs are wrong
Jul 10 01:22:56 <clearscreen> zinx: I did both a reload and a restart
Jul 10 01:22:58 <AakashPatel> chmod a+rx /etc/udev/rules.d/50-android.rules
Jul 10 01:23:07 <AakashPatel> ^^that should be chmod a+rx /etc/udev/rules.d/501-android.rules
Jul 10 01:23:10 <AakashPatel> err
Jul 10 01:23:13 <AakashPatel> 51*
Jul 10 01:23:14 <zinx> uhm, it does not need to be +x
Jul 10 01:23:21 <zinx> and only udev needs to read it
Jul 10 01:23:30 <AakashPatel> zinx: then the docs are wrong again
Jul 10 01:23:30 <zinx> though a+r obviously won't hurt..
Jul 10 01:23:31 <AakashPatel> :)
Jul 10 01:23:58 <clearscreen> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root   55 2009-07-10 01:11 51-android.rules
Jul 10 01:24:08 <AakashPatel> clearscreen: try adb as root
Jul 10 01:24:19 <clearscreen> AakashPatel: that does indeed work
Jul 10 01:24:23 <AakashPatel> see
Jul 10 01:24:28 <AakashPatel> you have to start adb as root
Jul 10 01:24:31 <AakashPatel> then its okay from there
Jul 10 01:24:39 <zinx> i don't have to start adb as root
Jul 10 01:24:42 <AakashPatel> BS
Jul 10 01:24:43 <clearscreen> I shouldn't need to though
Jul 10 01:24:49 <AakashPatel> zinx: it just worked
Jul 10 01:25:07 <zinx> AakashPatel: of course it worked.  but /i/ don't have to start it as root.
Jul 10 01:25:19 <clearscreen> and I dont want to either :P
Jul 10 01:25:20 <zinx> because i've given my user access to the device via udev :/
Jul 10 01:25:22 <AakashPatel> well, i dont know what to say about athat
Jul 10 01:25:37 <AakashPatel> chown ftw
Jul 10 01:25:39 <AakashPatel> :P
Jul 10 01:25:41 <Macer> hm
Jul 10 01:25:44 <zinx> clearscreen: i don't know what rules you're using, but they aren't right, or you didn't reload the rules or re-plug the device :/
Jul 10 01:25:46 <Macer> this is going to be a pain
Jul 10 01:25:53 <AakashPatel> Macer: what?
Jul 10 01:26:01 <Macer> i need to give someone a home dir on my raid and i'm using it as my archive (the entire raid)
Jul 10 01:26:08 <Macer> so now i have to seperate them from the damn stuff that's on it :)
Jul 10 01:26:11 <clearscreen> sec :)
Jul 10 01:26:28 <Macer> so i have to create new zfs(s) and like... do a bunch of moving around of home dirs :-\
Jul 10 01:26:38 <Macer> which i should have done a long time ago but was too lazy
Jul 10 01:26:38 <AakashPatel> lol
Jul 10 01:26:40 <AakashPatel> pwned
Jul 10 01:26:51 <Macer> and now it's coming back to bite me in the ass
Jul 10 01:27:15 <Macer> ah well. all victims of our own decisions... 20 hours without a cigarette :)
Jul 10 01:27:21 <Macer> i can already feel my lungs hurting
Jul 10 01:28:18 <AakashPatel> Macer: you use those ecigs?
Jul 10 01:29:25 <clearscreen> wooo :) got it detected
Jul 10 01:29:45 <AakashPatel> clearscreen: ...how?
Jul 10 01:30:07 <clearscreen> AakashPatel: Doing exactly what it did before but now it .... magically worked? :P
Jul 10 01:30:08 <Macer> At 24 hours, your risk of having a heart attack decreases
Jul 10 01:30:14 <AakashPatel> lol
Jul 10 01:30:20 <Macer> 4 more hours to go and i don't get heart attacks :)
Jul 10 01:30:21 <AakashPatel> you're welcome
Jul 10 01:30:23 <AakashPatel> haha
Jul 10 01:30:24 <Macer> AakashPatel: no
Jul 10 01:30:30 <Macer> i am using chantix
Jul 10 01:30:33 <AakashPatel> Macer: wtf is that
Jul 10 01:30:42 <Macer> pills that make you fiend less
Jul 10 01:30:46 <AakashPatel> eh
Jul 10 01:30:48 <clearscreen> http://pastebin.com/d1b0e37de :)
Jul 10 01:30:49 <Macer> (and i guess make you suicidal)
Jul 10 01:30:51 <Macer> haha
Jul 10 01:30:54 <Macer> or something like that
Jul 10 01:30:55 <AakashPatel> Darkrift2 said those things work
Jul 10 01:30:58 <AakashPatel> blu cis
Jul 10 01:31:00 <Macer> the ecigs?
Jul 10 01:31:02 <Macer> lol
Jul 10 01:31:02 <AakashPatel> cigs*
Jul 10 01:31:04 <Macer> they have nicotine in them
Jul 10 01:31:07 <AakashPatel> yea lol
Jul 10 01:31:11 <Macer> what's the point? :)
Jul 10 01:31:12 <Macer> haha
Jul 10 01:31:12 <AakashPatel> so you get addictd to the
Jul 10 01:31:14 <AakashPatel> m
Jul 10 01:31:15 <AakashPatel> haha
Jul 10 01:31:15 <Macer> yeah
Jul 10 01:31:20 <Macer> lol
Jul 10 01:31:32 <Darkrift2> no, blucigs are not that great from what ive heard
Jul 10 01:31:35 <Macer> no thanks. i'd rather quit altogether.. soon they will tax nicotine all to hell on its own
Jul 10 01:31:39 <Darkrift2> im smoking an ecig right now
Jul 10 01:31:40 <Darkrift2> its great
Jul 10 01:31:50 <Darkrift2> the point is they are safe
Jul 10 01:31:51 <Macer> cigarettes here cost like $9 here
Jul 10 01:31:57 <Macer> er.... minus a here
Jul 10 01:32:06 <Darkrift2> safe and cheaper
Jul 10 01:32:13 <Macer> those are crackhead prices
Jul 10 01:32:24 <Darkrift2> the cost seems to be like $1.50-$3/pack if you smoke an ecig
Jul 10 01:32:45 <AakashPatel> 1,50-3 is a big diff lol
Jul 10 01:32:58 <_Auron_> though the initial cost is like $80
Jul 10 01:32:59 <_Auron_> right?
Jul 10 01:33:07 <Darkrift2> _Auron_: mine was $61
Jul 10 01:33:10 <Darkrift2> cheaper than a carton
Jul 10 01:33:15 <Darkrift2> and that lasts 2 weeks or more for me
Jul 10 01:33:21 <Darkrift2> im at 16 days smoke free
Jul 10 01:33:22 <_Auron_> nifty
Jul 10 01:33:24 <Macer> Darkrift2: screw that. i'd rahter keep my 78 - 156 $
Jul 10 01:33:27 <Macer> haha
Jul 10 01:33:27 <Darkrift2> off my initial $61
Jul 10 01:33:34 <Macer> a year
Jul 10 01:33:44 <Macer> oh.. you said a PACK
Jul 10 01:33:45 <Darkrift2> then you just buy juice and spare parts each month
Jul 10 01:33:49 <Macer> i thought you said a week :)
Jul 10 01:33:52 <Darkrift2> yeah
Jul 10 01:33:53 <Macer> juice? :)
Jul 10 01:33:58 <Macer> you mean nicotine?
Jul 10 01:33:59 <Macer> haha
Jul 10 01:34:00 <Darkrift2> nicotine juice
Jul 10 01:34:10 <Macer> why don't you just shoot it up ? :)
Jul 10 01:34:14 <_Auron_> lmfao
Jul 10 01:34:14 <AakashPatel> haha
Jul 10 01:34:20 <AakashPatel> ha
Jul 10 01:34:22 <Darkrift2> i have coffee, cherry, camel, hilton and more
Jul 10 01:34:22 <AakashPatel> hahaha
Jul 10 01:34:26 <Darkrift2> i finished my vanilla
Jul 10 01:34:33 <Darkrift2> mixed some of it with the coffee to sweeten it up a bit
Jul 10 01:34:34 <Macer> oh.. so it's like flavored nictine
Jul 10 01:34:38 <Macer> with an electric cigarette?
Jul 10 01:34:38 <Darkrift2> yeah, its good
Jul 10 01:34:42 <Darkrift2> ever smoke a hookah?
Jul 10 01:34:46 <Macer> yah
Jul 10 01:34:47 <_Auron_> hookah ftw
Jul 10 01:34:49 <Darkrift2> its kinda like that
Jul 10 01:34:51 <Macer> with the flavored stuff?
Jul 10 01:34:52 <Macer> sure
Jul 10 01:34:53 <Darkrift2> but less smoke
Jul 10 01:34:54 <Darkrift2> yes
Jul 10 01:34:59 <Macer> heh
Jul 10 01:35:03 <Darkrift2> and its not smoke
Jul 10 01:35:04 <Darkrift2> its vapor
Jul 10 01:35:09 <motovb> quit
Jul 10 01:35:11 <Macer> like free bassing ?
Jul 10 01:35:12 <Macer> :)
Jul 10 01:35:16 <motovb> help
Jul 10 01:35:16 <Macer> haha
Jul 10 01:35:22 <Darkrift2> so you can smoke it in a restaurant or just about anywhere
Jul 10 01:35:23 <AakashPatel> motovb: what?
Jul 10 01:35:36 <Macer> Darkrift2: for now... someone will find a way to outlaw it
Jul 10 01:35:43 <motovb> sorry, I want to leave. But I don't know the hot key
Jul 10 01:35:45 <Darkrift2> rockymountainvapor.com has the 510 kit that I ordered
Jul 10 01:35:47 <Macer> when i first moved to cali i couldn't understand the concept of not smoking in a bar
Jul 10 01:35:49 <AakashPatel> lol watch, the long term effects will be like cancer or sometshit
Jul 10 01:35:51 <Darkrift2> just ordered one for my mom and got it today
Jul 10 01:36:06 <motovb> I use irssi
Jul 10 01:36:09 <Macer> AakashPatel: aids :) has to be different
Jul 10 01:36:12 <Macer> e-aids
Jul 10 01:36:13 <AakashPatel> haha
Jul 10 01:36:20 <Radix_> quassel ftw
Jul 10 01:36:25 <AakashPatel> motovb: great lol
Jul 10 01:36:30 <Macer> Darkrift2: if i knew about them years ago maybe
Jul 10 01:36:34 <Radix_> just wish there was an android client for quassel
Jul 10 01:36:43 <Macer> but i doubt there have been studies on long term effects of nicotine vapor in the lungs
Jul 10 01:36:54 <Macer> minus the cigarette studies
Jul 10 01:37:03 <rumsey> a quassel client for android, or an android client for quassel
Jul 10 01:37:06 <rumsey> ah the confusion
Jul 10 01:37:26 <Macer> rumsey: semantics :)
Jul 10 01:37:35 <rumsey> motovb was just dropping by to say he like irssi  i guess :)
Jul 10 01:37:45 <Macer> omg seriously. it has only been 20 hours and i can't quit coughing now
Jul 10 01:37:57 <AakashPatel> wtf
Jul 10 01:37:57 <rumsey> Ah that means you're healing.
Jul 10 01:37:59 <Macer> i can almost literally feel the scar tissue forming
Jul 10 01:37:59 <rumsey> I think.
Jul 10 01:38:00 <Macer> haha
Jul 10 01:38:02 <AakashPatel> youre not even smokin
Jul 10 01:38:06 <AakashPatel> oh wait
Jul 10 01:38:08 <Leeds> I believe they're not legal - considered unsafe - in HK
Jul 10 01:38:09 <Macer> AakashPatel: your lungs heal
Jul 10 01:38:12 <AakashPatel> youre coughing out teh shit]
Jul 10 01:38:15 <AakashPatel> yea
Jul 10 01:38:26 <Macer> it will take years for them to make it to where they were
Jul 10 01:38:27 <Macer> i've been smoking since i was 15 and i'm 30 now :)
Jul 10 01:38:31 <Macer> and i was a hardcore heavy smoker
Jul 10 01:38:35 <Macer> at the LEAST a pack a day
Jul 10 01:38:38 <AakashPatel> damn
Jul 10 01:38:39 <Darkrift2> i started at 9, im 27 now
Jul 10 01:38:40 <_Auron_> alright, time to test the asteroid enemies.
Jul 10 01:38:45 <jasta> KNY: thanks for the compliment :)
Jul 10 01:38:46 <Macer> more on some days
Jul 10 01:38:48 <AakashPatel> i started at
Jul 10 01:38:50 <AakashPatel> oh wait
Jul 10 01:38:51 <Macer> Darkrift2: haha
Jul 10 01:38:54 <AakashPatel> i havent :P;='[=
Jul 10 01:38:54 * _Auron_ coded all 3 without testing anything yet.
Jul 10 01:38:55 <AakashPatel> damn it
Jul 10 01:39:03 <Macer> wow this sucks
Jul 10 01:39:04 <AakashPatel> this keyboards keys are a bit dif
Jul 10 01:39:05 <rumsey> Lol most everyone I know that's a smoker got addicted when they were too young to know better
Jul 10 01:39:06 <_Auron_> well, all 3 sizes
Jul 10 01:39:08 <Darkrift2> the cool thing is i enjoy smoking this thing
Jul 10 01:39:12 <rumsey> i don't know many smokers who started at like 23
Jul 10 01:39:22 <Darkrift2> at work i go to the bathroom to hit it since im not supposed to "smoke" it there
Jul 10 01:39:58 <AakashPatel> Darkrift2: I thought you can smoke it 'anywhere' :PPP
Jul 10 01:40:04 <AakashPatel> </sarcasm>
Jul 10 01:40:08 <Macer> haha
Jul 10 01:40:13 <Darkrift2> AakashPatel: almost anywhere
Jul 10 01:40:19 <AakashPatel> anywhere*
Jul 10 01:40:22 <Darkrift2> places can ban it like they can ban you bringing drinks in
Jul 10 01:40:23 <AakashPatel> *unless someoen says no
Jul 10 01:40:32 <Darkrift2> but its not like smoking where its auto banned in every store
Jul 10 01:40:35 <Macer> Darkrift2: sounds like crap to me
Jul 10 01:40:44 <AakashPatel> haha
Jul 10 01:40:46 <Darkrift2> i walk around walmart smoking it
Jul 10 01:40:49 <Macer> people probably just think you're smoking and are confused when you tell them you're not
Jul 10 01:40:55 <Macer> but then they feel stupid and don't let you do it there too
Jul 10 01:40:56 <Macer> haha
Jul 10 01:41:00 <Darkrift2> Macer: thats exactly it
Jul 10 01:41:12 <Macer> just because it looks like a cigarette :)
Jul 10 01:41:15 <rumsey> They probably think you're doing some other drug
Jul 10 01:41:15 <Darkrift2> i was told no at work because "security will have a hard time enforcing smokers if they see you smoking that thing and think its ok"
Jul 10 01:41:23 <Macer> i bet some places wouldn't let you walk around with an unlit cigarette
Jul 10 01:41:23 <Darkrift2> we have a no smoking 1mi from the property rule
Jul 10 01:41:29 <rumsey> whats that liquid in there? is that heroin? morphine? whats going on here, opium?
Jul 10 01:41:32 <rumsey> get that out of my store.
Jul 10 01:41:32 <Macer> 1mi?!
Jul 10 01:41:33 <tmzt> Macer: isn't the point of zfs so you don't have to that kind of thing
Jul 10 01:41:34 <Macer> wtf? :)
Jul 10 01:41:40 <Darkrift2> yeah lol
Jul 10 01:41:42 <Macer> tmzt: do what kind of thing?
Jul 10 01:41:44 <Macer> :)
Jul 10 01:42:11 <Macer> it was my fault. i should have made another zfs on the raid for user home dirs but didn't bother because i didn't think i was going to have users on this box.. but evidently i will
Jul 10 01:42:16 * Macer was being greedy
Jul 10 01:42:29 <Macer> the terabytes are mine! MINE MINE MINE!
Jul 10 01:42:31 <tmzt> romainguy__: cortext is not omap3, omap3 and s5c100?? both have cortex cores
Jul 10 01:42:56 <tmzt> sorry
Jul 10 01:42:58 <tmzt> rumsey:
Jul 10 01:43:01 <AakashPatel> lol
Jul 10 01:43:05 <AakashPatel> rumsey fails again
Jul 10 01:43:20 <Macer> ah well. let me take a shower and cough out blood or something
Jul 10 01:43:24 <rumsey> double fail
Jul 10 01:43:25 <GenericNode> so the iphone 3gs tv ads "this is the new iphone, and it does some pretty amazing things".
Jul 10 01:43:26 <_Auron_> ugh figures
Jul 10 01:43:27 <GenericNode>  right after that they need to append "things other phones have been able to do for years!"
Jul 10 01:43:31 <Macer> at least in a week it will be a mental addiction :)
Jul 10 01:44:28 <rumsey> Macer: take up a new addiction in the mean time to keep your mind off it
Jul 10 01:44:33 <Macer> yeah
Jul 10 01:44:34 <tmzt> what things?
Jul 10 01:44:37 <Macer> i hear heroin is pretty good
Jul 10 01:44:46 <rumsey> yeah that shouldn't be hard to quit
Jul 10 01:44:46 <Leeds> looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue
Jul 10 01:44:47 <tmzt> rumsey: did you get that?
Jul 10 01:44:52 <Macer> and you can snort it as to not offend people with smoke or stuff like that
Jul 10 01:45:04 <tmzt> rumsey: cortext is not omap3, omap3 and s5c100?? both have cortex cores
Jul 10 01:45:10 <Macer> maybe i'll go old school and get some opium
Jul 10 01:45:15 <rumsey> tmzt: yeah i saw, omap3 is cortex + peripherals / sdp / video accelration / etc
Jul 10 01:45:18 <rumsey> my mistake
Jul 10 01:45:18 <Macer> with a giant dragon pipe
Jul 10 01:45:23 <Macer> bbl
Jul 10 01:45:37 <_Auron_> o.o
Jul 10 01:45:43 <rumsey> dsp*
Jul 10 01:46:02 <tmzt> rumsey: right, and so is s5c100, but they are not the same chip
Jul 10 01:46:08 <tmzt> sdp?
Jul 10 01:46:13 <tmzt> dsp
Jul 10 01:46:14 <_Auron_> somehow my asteroid AI crashed my game
Jul 10 01:46:16 <tmzt> yeah
Jul 10 01:46:32 <rumsey> i don't know a lot about the s5c100
Jul 10 01:46:37 <_Auron_> oh, LMFAO
Jul 10 01:46:38 <rumsey> compared to say an omap3530
Jul 10 01:46:39 <Leeds> you mean you crashed your ship into an asteroid?
Jul 10 01:46:48 <tmzt> to make it more confusing, they similar sgx gpus
Jul 10 01:46:52 <tmzt> maybe the same
Jul 10 01:46:56 <_Auron_> no, I did rand.nextInt(0)
Jul 10 01:46:58 <rumsey> lol that is confusing
Jul 10 01:47:33 <rumsey> i was looking at this omap diagram here, but i don't have one for s5c100 http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?contentId=14649&navigationId=12643&templateId=6123
Jul 10 01:47:47 <Leeds> and... we're gearing up for another typhoon (or at least tropical storm) hit this weekend
Jul 10 01:48:10 <_Auron_> where at Leeds?
Jul 10 01:48:16 <rumsey> i think the 3530 has a powervr sgx
Jul 10 01:48:18 <AakashPatel> HKKK
Jul 10 01:49:01 <rumsey> sgx530 maybe
Jul 10 01:49:23 <AakashPatel> lol
Jul 10 01:49:30 <AakashPatel> i like how they put a flip phone on that page
Jul 10 01:49:37 <AakashPatel> instead of some high end phone
Jul 10 01:49:55 <rumsey> lol i didn't even notice that
Jul 10 01:50:17 <rumsey> well that's a 3430 diagram with no graphics acceleration
Jul 10 01:50:29 <rumsey> so it makes sense in context
Jul 10 01:52:05 <rumsey> all this arm talk makes me want to see an omap4440 device get announced
Jul 10 01:52:59 <_Auron_> yay, asteroids in da house!
Jul 10 01:53:49 <AakashPatel> _Auron_ hm...apk or it didnt happen
Jul 10 01:53:51 <AakashPatel> haha
Jul 10 01:53:59 <_Auron_> lmfao
Jul 10 01:54:16 <_Auron_> you're funny.
Jul 10 01:54:18 <AakashPatel> :|
Jul 10 01:54:24 <AakashPatel> Do i look like im joking o.o
Jul 10 01:54:27 <_Auron_> XD
Jul 10 01:54:28 <AakashPatel> lol
Jul 10 01:54:34 <tmzt> rumsey: those are for tv's
Jul 10 01:54:53 <_Auron_> aside from a wrong atan calculation I got my asteroid AI working perfectly the first try
Jul 10 01:55:13 <AakashPatel> AI?
Jul 10 01:55:22 <AakashPatel> adobe illustrator XD
Jul 10 01:56:30 <_Auron_> .. except the spawning aspect. damnit
Jul 10 01:56:39 <rumsey> tmzt: not strictly for tv's though?
Jul 10 01:56:44 <_Auron_> hmm. I can fix that though.
Jul 10 01:57:01 <tmzt> artificial intellegence
Jul 10 01:57:03 <rumsey> i was just watching their 4 minute "omap 4 infomercial" and it was targeting "next generation handheld devices"
Jul 10 01:57:20 <rumsey> http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12843&contentId=53243
Jul 10 01:57:26 <tmzt> in games, it's the logic that provides the non human players
Jul 10 01:57:37 <tmzt> yeah, but current omap4 is not
Jul 10 01:57:51 <tmzt> wtb
Jul 10 01:57:56 <tmzt> that's handhelds
Jul 10 01:58:00 <tmzt> interesting
Jul 10 01:58:16 <tmzt> maybe dualcore cortex
Jul 10 01:58:34 <rumsey> yeah dual core coretex-a9
Jul 10 01:58:40 <AakashPatel>     * Full HD 1080p30 multi-standard video encode/decode
Jul 10 01:58:43 <AakashPatel> :D
Jul 10 01:58:55 <rumsey> yeah the dual core clocks up to 1ghz
Jul 10 01:59:06 <rumsey> whatever mobile devices get this chip are going to be pretty nice
Jul 10 01:59:07 <AakashPatel> o.o
Jul 10 01:59:10 <AakashPatel> 1GHz ARM???
Jul 10 01:59:12 <AakashPatel> o.o
Jul 10 01:59:23 <_Auron_> wait wtf, how are additional ones being spawned.
Jul 10 01:59:26 * _Auron_ is confused now
Jul 10 02:00:27 <rumsey> you should check out the video on that page AakashPatel
Jul 10 02:00:44 <rumsey> 150 percent performance increase versus previous ARM Cortex-A8 core
Jul 10 02:00:49 <AakashPatel> a black guy!
Jul 10 02:00:51 <AakashPatel> the first time!
Jul 10 02:00:58 <rumsey> lol
Jul 10 02:01:13 <AakashPatel> i dont have my headphones right now
Jul 10 02:01:25 <AakashPatel> my mom took em somewhere lol
Jul 10 02:01:34 <rumsey> owned
Jul 10 02:01:50 <AakashPatel> sshh
Jul 10 02:01:57 <AakashPatel> im lookin at my keyboard some more
Jul 10 02:02:08 <AakashPatel> its so beautiful lol
Jul 10 02:02:22 <rumsey> Larger, color rich display support up to WUXGA (1920 x 1200)
Jul 10 02:02:27 <rumsey> what keyboard is that?
Jul 10 02:02:40 <rumsey> that's the resolution my desktop monitor uses! :D
Jul 10 02:02:45 <rumsey> i need that in a handheld
Jul 10 02:02:48 <AakashPatel> apple wireless keyboard/wireless mighty mouse
Jul 10 02:02:50 <AakashPatel> just got em today
Jul 10 02:03:21 <rumsey> hmm
Jul 10 02:03:43 <Macer> hm. private practice looks like a pretty stupid show. just like that west coast ncis they tried to make
Jul 10 02:04:12 <AakashPatel> rumsey: now all i need is an aluminum desk XD
Jul 10 02:04:13 <GiantTalkingCow> NCIS?
Jul 10 02:06:06 <clearscreen> mmmpff.. eclipse used to give me an android perspective.. now I only have the DDMS and a couple other, unrelated perspectives ..
Jul 10 02:06:40 <clearscreen> meh back to 3.4
Jul 10 02:07:22 <_Auron_> how the hell is a large asteroid 4 AND 5?
Jul 10 02:08:33 <GenericNode> Ghost World is on Lifetime!
Jul 10 02:08:45 <rumsey> it was too large for one integer to hold it
Jul 10 02:09:30 <KNY> jasta, you earned it ;)
Jul 10 02:12:01 <AakashPatel> KNY stop flirting in IRC!
Jul 10 02:12:11 <KNY> stay out of my bromance!
Jul 10 02:12:12 <rumsey> has anyone seen this http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2341229,00.asp
Jul 10 02:12:24 <rumsey> bring on Tegra, I want to see how it stands up
Jul 10 02:12:34 <_Auron_> nevermind, figured out it was a logic issue
Jul 10 02:13:01 <AakashPatel> KNY: I can't!
Jul 10 02:13:05 <_Auron_> I set the enemy state to dead then spawned enemies (which fill the empty slots)
Jul 10 02:13:26 <_Auron_> and next logic check is to see if it was the next asteroid (assuming it's still the large asteroid)
Jul 10 02:13:28 <_Auron_> so its fixed now
Jul 10 02:13:51 <perlmonkey2> okay, just saw on Engaget that not even the CEO of Google uses an Android phone.
Jul 10 02:14:00 <rumsey> why would he
Jul 10 02:14:06 <rumsey> CEOs need blackberrys, of course
Jul 10 02:14:14 <rumsey> cause his g1 doesn't support Exchange :D
Jul 10 02:14:19 <perlmonkey2> rumsey: its part of the industry.  called eating your own dogfood.
Jul 10 02:14:21 <KNY> rumsey, they use gmail internally
Jul 10 02:14:32 <rumsey> KNY: i figured, just kidding
Jul 10 02:14:46 <perlmonkey2> and it certainly gives a poor impression of what they think of android internally.
Jul 10 02:14:56 <KNY> perlmonkey2, no it doesn't
Jul 10 02:14:59 <rumsey> perlmonkey2: well it does to you, obviously
Jul 10 02:15:00 <rumsey> but not to me
Jul 10 02:15:00 <perlmonkey2> maybe they don't like rebooting it
Jul 10 02:15:03 <rumsey> ceos do what ceos want
Jul 10 02:15:10 <perlmonkey2> don't eat the dogfood
Jul 10 02:15:29 <perlmonkey2> Joel has a good article on why it is important for the brass to 'eat the dogfood'.
Jul 10 02:15:34 <rumsey> I guess I'm missing your point
Jul 10 02:15:41 <rumsey> you're hung up on the dogfood
Jul 10 02:16:00 <teratoma> most google employees use iphones
Jul 10 02:16:14 <rumsey> android phones are for tech savvy people and people who have specific uses for it, and that doesn't encompass all CEOs, so let him use what he likes
Jul 10 02:16:18 <rumsey> i don't care if he uses a RAZR
Jul 10 02:16:38 <zelrikriando> hello
Jul 10 02:17:02 <perlmonkey2> hahahaha "How's Gmail treatin' you there, Eric? You're using that, at least, right?"  from the engaget article
Jul 10 02:17:30 <Macer> wow. there really aren't too many tv show generes out there are there?
Jul 10 02:17:34 <rumsey> engadget. you're eating up an editorial from engadget
Jul 10 02:17:37 <Macer> if it isn't a dr show.. it's a cop show or a law show
Jul 10 02:17:41 <Macer> or a reality show or the news
Jul 10 02:17:42 <Maxpower57> is there anyway to un-unlock a g1 ya think?
Jul 10 02:17:42 * zelrikriando is planing to blow up his Magic tonight
Jul 10 02:17:45 <rumsey> the height of business journalism
Jul 10 02:18:12 <Macer> Maxpower57: yeah. you call your phone company and tell them you are traveling to a country that doesn't have them and that you will be using an international sim and need the unlock number for the phone
Jul 10 02:18:24 <Macer> they will get it for you in about a week or two
Jul 10 02:18:34 <perlmonkey2> rumsey: the article jives with Joel's opinion on the matter.  And as everyone knows, Joel is smart.
Jul 10 02:18:39 <rumsey> zelrikriando: don't do anything rash
Jul 10 02:19:06 <rumsey> Oh yeah everyone knows, agree with everything Joel says. You need to form opinions from somewhere, i suppose.
Jul 10 02:19:35 <perlmonkey2> rumsey: unlike you, Joel has a huge following because he has important things to say.  What's your claim to fame that lends your words extra weight?
Jul 10 02:19:51 <rumsey> lol I just looked up the article, i was right about the blackberry
Jul 10 02:20:18 <rumsey> perlmonkey2: I have the ability to form my own opinions, its called not beeing a sheep.
Jul 10 02:20:30 <zelrikriando> rumsey: I want to get rid if that Rogers crap in my phone, and put the Sense
Jul 10 02:20:40 <zelrikriando> of*
Jul 10 02:20:40 <rumsey> But you follow around biting at his coattails and snickering behind him all the way, i don't mind
Jul 10 02:20:42 <perlmonkey2> rumsey: whatever.  week sauce.
Jul 10 02:20:55 <perlmonkey2> weak
Jul 10 02:21:34 <rumsey> okay perlmonkey2, you've made your point know. You idolize engadget writers, I get it.  What exactly are you arguing with me about?
Jul 10 02:21:44 <perlmonkey2> rumsey: and while you're at it, tell me why I'm a sheep for believing in test driven development, or any other advances in the general field.
Jul 10 02:22:21 <perlmonkey2> damnit.....tricked again
Jul 10 02:22:26 <rumsey> Wow, you're way off base. I never called you a sheep, and even if I had suggested it, when did I ever metion any of those other things
Jul 10 02:22:38 <rumsey> Since you're not making any sense, i'm going to have to ignore you now
Jul 10 02:22:40 <perlmonkey2> he almost sounded like a reasonable guy....
Jul 10 02:22:48 <AakashPatel> lol
Jul 10 02:22:59 <Macer> wow if i could find the inventor of dora the explorer i would shoot them
Jul 10 02:23:07 <perlmonkey2> Macer++
Jul 10 02:23:20 <tlabwin> Macer: why
Jul 10 02:23:23 <AakashPatel> Hahaha
Jul 10 02:23:27 <AakashPatel> 'why'
Jul 10 02:23:40 * AakashPatel ignores tlabwin
Jul 10 02:23:53 <Macer> just not a big fan of imposing mexicanism on children simply because a massive amount of people don't wish to learn english :)
Jul 10 02:23:58 <tlabwin> I'm guessing it's because it's not challenging enough
Jul 10 02:24:07 <tlabwin> since the thing you're supposed to look for is always behind her
Jul 10 02:24:33 <Macer> well. it's for small children. i think the main point of the show is to teach children spanish words
Jul 10 02:24:43 <Macer> i'm puerto rican and i can't stand it :)
Jul 10 02:24:44 <Macer> haha
Jul 10 02:24:55 <Macer> wtf. learn english instead bitches.
Jul 10 02:24:56 <Macer> :)
Jul 10 02:24:57 <rumsey> Yeah what's with trying to teach kids more than one language, I mean c'mon - that goes against everything our educational system stands for
Jul 10 02:25:05 <Macer> rumsey: exactly
Jul 10 02:25:09 <rumsey> haha :)
Jul 10 02:25:13 <Macer> we are supposed to be arrogant americans
Jul 10 02:25:21 <rumsey> represent
Jul 10 02:25:25 <Macer> we don't need these lesser languages sucking time away from our children's educational time
Jul 10 02:26:30 <Macer> we have basically told children they need to learn spanish because people who speak spanish don't want to take the time to learn english and you will be stuck working in a place where some person is going to show up and be able to only speak spanish
Jul 10 02:26:44 <Macer> :)
Jul 10 02:27:36 <Macer> either that or we are teaching them you need to learn these words to show jose how you want your bushes trimmed and your lawn mowed .. or txt him in spanish on his G1 :)
Jul 10 02:27:45 <Macer> maybe make androlawn
Jul 10 02:27:58 <rumsey> damn dude, you really hate spanish
Jul 10 02:28:23 <Macer> haha.. i told you already. i'm puerto rican :) but i don't think that we should all learn spanish because some puerto ricans won't take the time to learn english
Jul 10 02:28:49 <rumsey> I know you mentioned it, you think no one should learn spanish, and etc
Jul 10 02:29:14 <Macer> didn't say that. it's fine if people want to learn it. but now it is forced down people's throats
Jul 10 02:29:29 <Macer> with the only real reason being that you will be stuck talking to someoen who can only speak spanish
Jul 10 02:29:33 <rumsey> wouldn't it be a crazy idea if people that learned spanish learned english... and people that learned english *also* decided they'd like to know another language too
Jul 10 02:29:43 <rumsey> instead of like, eating a cheesburger and watching married with children :)
Jul 10 02:29:54 <sparkle_> i do not think spanish is specifically
Jul 10 02:30:11 <AakashPatel> ça va?
Jul 10 02:30:16 <Macer> rumsey: haha.. well. i just think it unfair that you can't get a job at border patrol because you can't speak spanish
Jul 10 02:30:30 <rumsey> I think if any language is going to be forced down my kids throats, it should be farsi
Jul 10 02:30:36 <AakashPatel> comment t'applles tu?
Jul 10 02:30:39 <Macer> lol
Jul 10 02:30:39 <AakashPatel> i think thats right lol
Jul 10 02:30:46 <Macer> heh
Jul 10 02:30:47 <AakashPatel> farsi?
Jul 10 02:30:49 <AakashPatel> o.o
Jul 10 02:30:52 <sparkle_> and what is taught is european spanish
Jul 10 02:31:01 <sparkle_> not mex spanish
Jul 10 02:31:10 <AakashPatel> really?
Jul 10 02:31:12 <Macer> when people ask me if i speak spanish i tell them no because the proper question should be "do you know how to speak spanish"
Jul 10 02:31:12 <AakashPatel> heh
Jul 10 02:31:12 * sparkle_ shrugs
Jul 10 02:31:15 <Macer> heh
Jul 10 02:31:30 <Macer> AakashPatel: maybe i hate spanish so much because androffice is made in spain
Jul 10 02:31:35 <Macer> and they released a total letdown
Jul 10 02:31:43 <Macer> office my ass.. should have named it androspreadsheet
Jul 10 02:31:43 <AakashPatel> LOL
Jul 10 02:31:50 <sparkle_> i learned russian...in hindsight japanese would have been more useful
Jul 10 02:31:54 <Macer> probably too busy watching dora
Jul 10 02:32:02 <rumsey> definitely some fetid hate going on here, lol
Jul 10 02:32:02 <AakashPatel> rolflamo
Jul 10 02:32:06 <AakashPatel> typo
Jul 10 02:32:07 <Macer> sparkle_: russian is a good language to know
Jul 10 02:32:14 <rumsey> Macer i think you are personally offended, lol
Jul 10 02:32:15 <Macer> they are on the up and up with their newfound oil and claim to ice caps :)
Jul 10 02:32:20 <rumsey> there are lots of shows I don't like bro
Jul 10 02:32:24 <sparkle_> ha
Jul 10 02:32:29 <rumsey> I don't think our kids should be watching american idol every day
Jul 10 02:32:34 <rumsey> but you know what! i live with that.
Jul 10 02:32:40 <Macer> rumsey: i was talking about kids shows
Jul 10 02:32:57 <rumsey> shouldn't*
Jul 10 02:32:59 <rumsey> fuck what did i type
Jul 10 02:33:00 <rumsey> lol
Jul 10 02:33:04 <zelrikriando> ok so
Jul 10 02:33:09 <perlmonkey2> language barriers lead to fear, fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads bad politics.
Jul 10 02:33:14 <zelrikriando> who has a Magic from Rogers here
Jul 10 02:33:19 <Macer> speaking of androffice
Jul 10 02:33:41 <sparkle_> i don't
Jul 10 02:33:47 <Macer> perlmonkey2: i wouldn't say fear... i would just say more frustration
Jul 10 02:33:59 <Macer> i'm a firm believer or requiring english classes in order to become a citizen :)
Jul 10 02:34:03 <Macer> haha
Jul 10 02:34:03 <sparkle_> q
Jul 10 02:34:15 <Macer> all american students have to take english their entire lives
Jul 10 02:34:50 <Macer> speaking of androffice though. i should see if they have a word processor
Jul 10 02:34:56 <Macer> why are all these office apps so crappy ? :)
Jul 10 02:35:04 <Macer> where is openoffice for android?
Jul 10 02:35:04 <Macer> haha
Jul 10 02:35:08 <Macer> CMON JAVA
Jul 10 02:35:26 <zelrikriando> Macer: dont worry I ll write one
Jul 10 02:35:27 <zelrikriando> lol
Jul 10 02:35:47 <perlmonkey2> but people often miss something important in the language debates.  Spanish *has* to be taught in schools because kids who just moved here can't be expected to learn algebra *and* English at the same time.
Jul 10 02:36:23 <Leeds> I want Corel Office for Android
Jul 10 02:36:33 <Macer> potatoes have nicotine? :)
Jul 10 02:36:43 <Macer> guess i'll have to give potatoes up too huh? haha
Jul 10 02:36:49 <spikebike> bleah
Jul 10 02:37:01 <Leeds> _Auron_: http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real-time/westpac/storm/dvor-nh05W.GIF
Jul 10 02:37:10 <rumsey> that explains why i have to eat a potato every day or two
Jul 10 02:37:22 <spikebike> I want a native client similar to google office doc
Jul 10 02:37:23 <spikebike> s
Jul 10 02:37:30 <zelrikriando> ok lets install Amon RA
Jul 10 02:37:39 <spikebike> hell I'd like a todo list that was a native version of the gmail todo
Jul 10 02:37:40 <zelrikriando> that will be my first step
Jul 10 02:38:03 <rumsey> I'd like a native version of something that folds my clothes and cooks me pancakes
Jul 10 02:38:06 <rumsey> and i will pay for it
Jul 10 02:38:48 <rumsey> but the g1 probably doesn't have enough RAM. :(
Jul 10 02:38:53 <Macer> rumsey: haha
Jul 10 02:38:58 <Macer> soon you will be smoking them
Jul 10 02:39:04 * Macer pictures soemone rolling potato skins
Jul 10 02:39:48 <zelrikriando> ok
Jul 10 02:39:56 <zelrikriando> so
Jul 10 02:40:01 <zelrikriando> hmmm
Jul 10 02:40:16 <Macer> In 48 hours your chance of having a heart attack will have decreased. All nicotine will have left your body. Your sense of taste and smell will return to a normal level.
Jul 10 02:40:25 <Macer> 24 more hours to go!
Jul 10 02:40:45 <rumsey> sounds like you are listening to hypnosis tapes
Jul 10 02:41:03 <zelrikriando> You know what, while trying to install AmonRA, I feel like a kid playing with fire
Jul 10 02:41:09 <Macer> rumsey: i should. i think the chantix is keeping the craving at bay
Jul 10 02:41:20 <rumsey> whats that, like nicotine gum?
Jul 10 02:41:26 <Macer> it's a pill
Jul 10 02:41:35 <Macer> which i guess makes it so you don't feel the cravings
Jul 10 02:42:33 <Macer> whttp://www.chantix.com/
Jul 10 02:42:37 <rumsey> interesting
Jul 10 02:42:38 <Macer> er.. -w
Jul 10 02:42:45 <Macer> my insurance covered it
Jul 10 02:43:04 <Macer> i can still feel it.. but it isn't the same as i want a cigarette
Jul 10 02:43:17 <Macer> it is more like my stomach and chest hurts and i have headaches and suicidal thoughts :)
Jul 10 02:43:22 <Macer> but that's better than wanting a cigarette
Jul 10 02:43:42 <EugeneK> Develop a crack habit
Jul 10 02:43:46 <rumsey> so that's how it works
Jul 10 02:44:08 <rumsey> Chantix - It'll make you want to kill yourself.
Jul 10 02:47:16 <Macer> rumsey: only if you are one of the lucky people to have mental side effects
Jul 10 02:48:09 <Macer> :) which personally i think 1 person did.. won a law suit.. and then came the ambulance chasers
Jul 10 02:48:09 <Macer> i haven't felt anything
Jul 10 02:48:11 <rumsey> Who else things "Chrome OS" means porting Chrome to more architectures and calling it an OS?
Jul 10 02:48:26 <Macer> rumsey: i don't
Jul 10 02:48:31 <Macer> they said they are goign to make a  new windowing system
Jul 10 02:48:41 <Macer> so i'm hoping they come out with something that isn't xorg but actually new
Jul 10 02:48:45 <rumsey> yeah that's true
Jul 10 02:49:03 <Macer> maybe it's just full screen chrome using an ajax window manager?
Jul 10 02:49:04 <Macer> haha
Jul 10 02:49:07 <Macer> that woudl suck
Jul 10 02:49:11 <rumsey> that's what i think, lol
Jul 10 02:49:38 <Macer> i hope not
Jul 10 02:50:08 <GenericNode> EugeneK, you behave tonight...
Jul 10 02:50:24 <AakashPatel> olo
Jul 10 02:50:25 <AakashPatel> er
Jul 10 02:50:26 * EugeneK *is* behaving
Jul 10 02:50:28 <AakashPatel> o.o
Jul 10 02:50:43 <AakashPatel> EugeneK as no one to misbehave with
Jul 10 02:50:48 <AakashPatel> haha
Jul 10 02:51:02 <zelrikriando> ahhh fail
Jul 10 02:51:39 <Macer> i saved $9 today not smoking. i think i should go ahead and get some mcdonalds to spend my newfound extra fortunes
Jul 10 02:53:25 <zelrikriando> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=530492 I am at the SPL part
Jul 10 02:53:32 <zelrikriando> the file I downloaded it confusing
Jul 10 02:54:00 <rumsey> or a 6 pack of dos equis
Jul 10 02:54:02 <Macer> some don q?
Jul 10 02:54:02 <Macer> or boones farm
Jul 10 02:54:02 <Macer> i could probably get a case of md 20/20 for $9
Jul 10 02:54:02 <Macer> heh
Jul 10 02:54:02 <rumsey> jesus man
Jul 10 02:54:02 <rumsey> mad dog and boones
Jul 10 02:54:02 <rumsey> that's classy :D
Jul 10 02:54:03 <Macer> the best one is kind cobra because it is $1.50 for a 40oz and they put "premium malt liquor" on the bottle
Jul 10 02:54:03 <Macer> kind/king
Jul 10 02:54:03 <rumsey> hahaha
Jul 10 02:54:03 <rumsey> "premium" malt liquor is an oxymoron
Jul 10 02:54:03 <Macer> i cried laughing when i saw that
Jul 10 02:54:03 <Macer> i know :)
Jul 10 02:54:11 <Macer> especially for the $1.50 40oz
Jul 10 02:54:18 <rumsey> advertising it awesome
Jul 10 02:54:21 <rumsey> is*
Jul 10 02:54:50 <zelrikriando> do I rename it to update.zip
Jul 10 02:54:52 <GenericNode> Steel Reserve ftw
Jul 10 02:55:39 <Macer> #1 ghettoest beer i have ever seen (worse than king cobra and that's pretty ghetto)
Jul 10 02:55:42 <Macer> was crazy horse :)
Jul 10 02:56:07 <zelrikriando> man I ll never do anything to that device
Jul 10 02:56:15 <zelrikriando> that thing is un-hackable
Jul 10 02:56:55 <KNY> Macer, you've clearly never met blatz
Jul 10 02:57:01 <AakashPatel> i haz
Jul 10 02:57:11 <KNY> AakashPatel, that's because you're from wisconsin
Jul 10 02:57:14 <Macer> http://cita.chattanooga.org/chml.html
Jul 10 02:57:22 <Macer> goddamnit. native americans suck sometimes
Jul 10 02:57:34 <Macer> you got conquered. deal with it like everybody else and just shut up
Jul 10 02:57:48 <AakashPatel> KNY: do what?
Jul 10 02:57:51 <AakashPatel> im from missourah
Jul 10 02:57:58 <KNY> AakashPatel, oh, right. Sorry
Jul 10 02:58:02 <KNY> Macer, but they have cheap gas!
Jul 10 02:58:08 <zelrikriando> :((
Jul 10 02:58:10 <AakashPatel> yea
Jul 10 02:58:13 <AakashPatel> :D
Jul 10 02:58:17 <zelrikriando> I am such a noooob
Jul 10 02:58:24 <AakashPatel> n00b
Jul 10 02:58:25 <zelrikriando> my phone wont obey meee
Jul 10 02:58:26 <AakashPatel> dont make my pwn you
Jul 10 02:59:08 <Macer> KNY: cheap cigarettes too since they don't have to pay taxes
Jul 10 02:59:18 <Macer> most people aren't given such concessions after being conquered
Jul 10 02:59:20 <AakashPatel> yeah we do
Jul 10 02:59:21 <GenericNode> NH?
Jul 10 02:59:30 <Macer> AakashPatel: you are india indian
Jul 10 02:59:33 <Macer> not native american indian
Jul 10 02:59:37 <AakashPatel> OHHHHH
Jul 10 02:59:42 <KNY> haha
Jul 10 02:59:43 <Lieutenant> which one of yall has a ps3?
Jul 10 02:59:45 <AakashPatel> i thought we were talkin about missouri
Jul 10 02:59:48 <GenericNode> PS what?
Jul 10 02:59:56 <AakashPatel> 3 lol
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