**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 10 02:59:57 2009 Jul 10 02:59:58 like he said Jul 10 03:00:00 haha Jul 10 03:00:00 PS3 Jul 10 03:00:00 I thought we were talking about new hampsire Jul 10 03:00:05 you're red dot, not feather Jul 10 03:00:08 failed to copy 'update.zip' to '/sdcard/update.zip': Read-only file system Jul 10 03:00:09 ROFL Jul 10 03:00:10 wtf Jul 10 03:00:12 whoa dude Jul 10 03:00:30 (tm) Jay- Jul 10 03:00:31 Z Jul 10 03:00:36 * GenericNode punts Macer Jul 10 03:00:55 [09:58] rumsey: Fuck you Mexicans/Spanish, fuck you Indians, where the fuck is my mad dog and mcdonalds Jul 10 03:01:01 crazy horse had to shut down their business just because native americans were offended that they used an indian's name for their beverage Jul 10 03:01:17 blasphemy Jul 10 03:01:19 rumsey, someone piss in your wheaties this morning? Jul 10 03:01:25 i'm waiting for arabs to say that the camel is native to their homeland and they are offended that camel uses it to sell cigarettes Jul 10 03:01:38 jay Z should get mad ^^ Jul 10 03:01:43 or whomever makes camel cigarettes Jul 10 03:01:48 * Lieutenant hears a rimshot. Jul 10 03:02:01 and Scots complaining about mcdonalds? Jul 10 03:02:29 my sdcard got emptied Jul 10 03:02:36 what happened Jul 10 03:02:50 "our food is *much* healthier than mcdonalds' - deep-fried Mars bars, pizza..." Jul 10 03:03:37 hahahah Jul 10 03:03:43 hahah Jul 10 03:04:15 mcdonald was a scottish farmer whose name was stolen by corperate america to sell their unhealthy food and we are incredibly offended Jul 10 03:04:41 i wonder if it wasn't $1 40oz malt liquor and like $50 lagers if they would have cared as much Jul 10 03:10:06 someone pissed in my internet this morning Jul 10 03:10:17 hmm Jul 10 03:10:22 Macer: did you settle on a beverage choice? Jul 10 03:10:55 I think I made it Jul 10 03:10:56 not sure Jul 10 03:11:49 I cannot make it Jul 10 03:11:54 my phone is unhackable Jul 10 03:12:22 anybody knows anything about the faceplates/housing for the magic? Jul 10 03:12:27 Oh yeah an Lieutenant, I don't know who you are, or where you came from, or what you do, but I'm sorry if I offended your sensibilities - it was just a joke :p Jul 10 03:12:43 oh nvm Jul 10 03:12:51 I have the green screeeeeeen Jul 10 03:12:58 zelrikriando I thought you hacked it the other day Jul 10 03:13:05 green screen of love. Jul 10 03:13:09 android system recovery utility Jul 10 03:13:13 rumsey: lol. i'm just going to eat a pizza Jul 10 03:13:19 Macer, FTW. Jul 10 03:13:21 good thing i never gain weight otherwise i'd be a fat person Jul 10 03:13:30 rumsey: yesterday I couldnt get the green screen from the phone only Jul 10 03:13:43 ahhhh... haha that's what you think! you quit smoking, see how long that lasts sucker Jul 10 03:14:03 rumsey: haha Jul 10 03:14:06 so now that I have the green screen Jul 10 03:14:08 what is next :p Jul 10 03:14:15 a brick. Jul 10 03:14:22 well. i'm 6'3" and 185 so i'm kind of light Jul 10 03:14:23 haha Jul 10 03:14:38 yeah that's pretty light for a tall dude Jul 10 03:14:58 hey Jul 10 03:15:07 i'm right in the center of my weight for my height on the chart Jul 10 03:15:07 what im talking about; different between http://tinyurl.com/lng6r4 and http://tinyurl.com/n67lzm where clearly the buttons seem different Jul 10 03:15:33 k4r1m, http://tinyurl.com/n67lzm is a pre-production model Jul 10 03:16:21 can somebody explain me? Jul 10 03:16:23 why the hell would they be selling pre production faceplates? Jul 10 03:16:48 because they're idiots? Jul 10 03:16:53 KNY: does it make sense that every one on ebay is like that? could it be simply that they just dont have the right pictures? Jul 10 03:17:03 email and ask Jul 10 03:17:30 What are we buying off from Ebay? Jul 10 03:17:48 outdated unusable faceplates Jul 10 03:17:54 which sounds about par for the course on ebay Jul 10 03:17:55 mmmm Jul 10 03:18:04 We better order them in bulk, then. Jul 10 03:18:11 am i the only one that thinks the white plastic they use for electronics looks like a cheap toilet seat? Jul 10 03:18:11 I think they should buy the url scambay.com Jul 10 03:18:22 zinx: you and everyone else Jul 10 03:18:53 well sales would say not everyone else, but I don't see how anyone couldn't think that Jul 10 03:19:51 I like my toilet seat. Jul 10 03:20:07 as long as you lift it when you pee Jul 10 03:20:19 Or talk on it. Jul 10 03:20:40 KNY: wanna do me a fav? take a look at this http://tinyurl.com/l7oqqp my eyes are dead, but it seems like the normal version is it? Jul 10 03:20:58 looks pre-production as well Jul 10 03:21:08 yep Jul 10 03:21:12 probably fuzzy on purpose Jul 10 03:21:15 SCAMBAY Jul 10 03:21:27 dam Jul 10 03:21:31 did anyone try the Sense on the Magic? Jul 10 03:21:40 I want to install that Jul 10 03:21:40 zelrikriando: got it right now Jul 10 03:21:47 What? Ebay would NEVER let a scammer sell! Jul 10 03:21:56 k4r1m: what version of the Magic do you have Jul 10 03:22:06 zelrikriando: wouldn't suggest it if you have the 192mb of ram version Jul 10 03:22:18 k4r1m: no I have the good one :p Jul 10 03:22:18 i got the 32A based Jul 10 03:22:32 288mb Jul 10 03:22:39 yeah it will run it smooth Jul 10 03:22:41 I guess most CA rogers are 32a, seems to be the going trend Jul 10 03:22:49 k4r1m: I dont know how to install it Jul 10 03:22:50 so stupid that there are two different versions Jul 10 03:22:51 GenericNode: lol? Jul 10 03:22:54 k4r1m: could you help Jul 10 03:23:07 zinx: CPLD12 and 11 or something like that right? Jul 10 03:23:13 zelrikriando: rogers? Jul 10 03:23:17 k4r1m: yup Jul 10 03:23:28 zelrikriando: do u have adb working? Jul 10 03:23:34 yeah Jul 10 03:23:48 sec then Jul 10 03:23:48 grab skittleguy's version for rogers Jul 10 03:23:48 and I did that already : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=530492 Jul 10 03:24:02 Radix_: he will need to flash spl and recovery first Jul 10 03:24:05 zelrikriando: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=534464 Jul 10 03:24:10 no Jul 10 03:24:18 you don't need to flash spl or recovery for magics Jul 10 03:24:25 Radix_: Yeah. it will give him test-keys errors Jul 10 03:24:36 no Jul 10 03:24:41 you can boot the recovery image directly Jul 10 03:24:46 I flashed it anyway Jul 10 03:24:49 the test-key one Jul 10 03:24:51 boot the image directly.. then flash it Jul 10 03:25:18 anyway.. use the 1.4 rom linked on that page zelrikriando Jul 10 03:25:22 well i flashed the recovery image permantly so i wouldnt have to worry about it in the future Jul 10 03:25:37 k4r1m: same, but no real need to do so Jul 10 03:25:42 which made me update my spl to 2005 Jul 10 03:25:50 k4r1m: and to flash recovery you DO need an updated SPL Jul 10 03:25:53 magics seem so easy mod Jul 10 03:25:58 stupid tmobile. Jul 10 03:26:02 rumsey: don't get a mytouch Jul 10 03:26:03 lol Jul 10 03:26:09 k4r1m: by flash, do you mean that the green screen is on the phone by default? Jul 10 03:26:10 no plans to Jul 10 03:26:15 Make myTouch YourTouch ;-) Jul 10 03:26:22 i mean the magics from other countries Jul 10 03:26:35 if I do home+boot I get the green screen Jul 10 03:26:41 it that ok ? :) Jul 10 03:26:45 green screen of DEATH Jul 10 03:26:51 lol Jul 10 03:27:01 you flashed Amon_RA's recovery rom on your device then zelrikriando? Jul 10 03:27:20 GenericNode: so u think ebay wouldnt scam lol? Jul 10 03:27:34 Radix_: yeah, if I understood what I did right Jul 10 03:27:42 cool.. you're going well then! :) Jul 10 03:27:48 Ebay? Never! Jul 10 03:27:55 shanepardue, ping Jul 10 03:28:02 Radix_: what version I download? Jul 10 03:28:06 so yeah.. download the update linked off that page.. rename it update.zip on your sdcard Jul 10 03:28:15 http://thephishing.net/RogersRoms/Fatal1ty_Hero-Full_v1.4-ROGERS-signed.zip Jul 10 03:28:28 that's the one specifically for rogers Jul 10 03:29:02 sweet Jul 10 03:29:05 rename as update.zip - put it on your sd card.. reboot, wipe, and update Jul 10 03:29:14 ok Jul 10 03:29:14 reboot to recovery I mean Jul 10 03:29:24 wipe doesnt wipe the SD right? Jul 10 03:29:33 you'll wipe everything when you do that tho.. so maybe backup your apps, sms's etc first Jul 10 03:29:45 wipe just wipes the rom, not your sdcard Jul 10 03:29:45 how to backup Jul 10 03:29:48 ok Jul 10 03:29:59 haha.. good question! Jul 10 03:30:33 to be honest I've not found a good answer to that one either.. there's an app in the market called backup for root users which looks awesome.. if it worked Jul 10 03:30:51 Back up what? Jul 10 03:30:54 EVARYTHING? Jul 10 03:30:56 or just the apps Jul 10 03:31:15 I want to backup sms/apn/wifi/bookmarks/apps/t9 dict Jul 10 03:31:20 Uh Jul 10 03:31:29 Radix_: backup for root users does work Jul 10 03:31:30 need root Jul 10 03:31:31 excellently Jul 10 03:31:42 rumsey: never worked for me Jul 10 03:31:47 for backing up what? Jul 10 03:31:54 rumsey: it produces empty folders Jul 10 03:31:56 with nothing in them Jul 10 03:31:59 ive been trying to come up with a good app to write, that might make a great first one to work on Jul 10 03:32:03 rumsey: the contacts? Jul 10 03:32:05 backup individual catageories to sdcard Jul 10 03:32:06 and restore Jul 10 03:32:07 and I asked around and ppl said it's been broken for a while Jul 10 03:32:15 zelrikriando: contacts are synced wirelessly you wont lose them Jul 10 03:32:17 contacts I don't care about..they're all synched anyway Jul 10 03:32:21 oh Jul 10 03:32:29 Radix_: i use it regularly Jul 10 03:32:32 but reinstalling settings is a pain Jul 10 03:32:32 :\ Jul 10 03:32:39 i use it to back up settings to Jul 10 03:32:55 rumsey: could you share your apk? perhaps you have an older version that still works... Jul 10 03:33:01 it works - i just switched from JF to Cyanogen a few days ago with a full wipe and restored all my app settings with root backup Jul 10 03:33:17 I don't think that's the case, my version is up to date Jul 10 03:33:19 get buck in here!!!! Jul 10 03:33:19 maybe you don't have root? Jul 10 03:33:43 ok let's wipe the shit Jul 10 03:33:53 lol Jul 10 03:33:59 always wipe your shit. Jul 10 03:34:03 Radix_: open a term emu and type SU and see if you get a root prompt Jul 10 03:34:09 * GenericNode pokes Leeds. Jul 10 03:34:23 GenericNode: haha Jul 10 03:34:27 I get # Jul 10 03:34:37 you have root then Jul 10 03:34:48 run backup for root users and do the "back up app data -sys" Jul 10 03:35:23 mind you this isn't even how I back up my app settings anymore, i just copy /data/data to the Sdcard Jul 10 03:35:33 takes a minute or two to copy all that app data over Jul 10 03:35:39 Leeds, have you tied yourself off to something? We don't need you getting blown away in the storm. Jul 10 03:36:09 I'll grab the app again then - see if it works now Jul 10 03:36:25 it will create 4 folders and 3 should be empty Jul 10 03:36:28 1 should have all your app data Jul 10 03:36:43 it's not here yet! Jul 10 03:37:01 Your time is short. Jul 10 03:37:02 last time it created a heap of folders.. all empty Jul 10 03:37:07 Sunday/Monday Jul 10 03:37:16 backup all, backup data, backup data-sys Jul 10 03:37:27 It's been raining here for the past month. Jul 10 03:37:51 backup data-sys Jul 10 03:37:56 Ahh.. it's doing something this time around Jul 10 03:38:03 you can also use MybackupPro to backup Call logs, bookmarks, sms messages, MMS, system settings, home shortcuts, alarms, dictionary, etc Jul 10 03:38:25 last time it took 1 second and flashed back to screen with no errors Jul 10 03:38:31 hmm, dunno Jul 10 03:38:36 but that's the optin you want to click for data Jul 10 03:38:46 for app backup, i'd just use a normal file manager, like Astro Jul 10 03:38:53 even though backupforroot should work as well Jul 10 03:38:54 blart Jul 10 03:38:55 im out Jul 10 03:38:57 yeah, always used astro for apps Jul 10 03:38:59 peace doobies Jul 10 03:39:02 cya AakashPatel Jul 10 03:39:21 it's installing Jul 10 03:39:23 fun times Jul 10 03:40:50 either one of these will make backing up all your crap a lot easier: http://www.cyrket.com/search?q=root+manager Jul 10 03:41:40 omg Jul 10 03:41:41 omg Jul 10 03:41:45 the Hero screen Jul 10 03:41:49 I saw it!!! Jul 10 03:41:50 ahhhhhh Jul 10 03:42:01 hehe Jul 10 03:42:04 it opened up my eyes, i saw the sign Jul 10 03:42:08 * zelrikriando is passing out Jul 10 03:42:26 do they make high definition porn? Jul 10 03:42:33 oh for sure Jul 10 03:42:41 Hero is still pretty sluggish though.. even on the 32A phones Jul 10 03:42:49 if you need to find porn Jul 10 03:42:51 I've found a reason to buy a HDTV. Jul 10 03:42:53 does overclocking help? Jul 10 03:42:57 I am the one to ask to Jul 10 03:42:57 heh Jul 10 03:43:01 a bit.. but not really Jul 10 03:43:08 hd porn is expensive Jul 10 03:43:13 the widgets are slow as Jul 10 03:43:26 the clocks especially Jul 10 03:43:36 A friend of mine still has an HD DVD player Jul 10 03:43:38 the apps are great tho.. htc peep, people, etc Jul 10 03:43:43 So whats the deal with these "Hero" roms? Are they actual dumped Hero images? I mean, do they support Flash? Jul 10 03:43:57 yeah, taken from an official hero rom Jul 10 03:44:09 Radix_: so you can watch hulu on your phone? Jul 10 03:44:13 multitouch browser, flash support, etc Jul 10 03:44:27 umm.. never tried hulu.. but prolly Jul 10 03:44:45 I think hulu is still adding shit to block everyone from it's site tho Jul 10 03:44:50 like boxee, etc Jul 10 03:44:54 most likely not cache size is only 6mb Jul 10 03:44:56 shit i got disconnected Jul 10 03:44:59 what did you say? Jul 10 03:45:00 most streaming sites dont work Jul 10 03:45:13 say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Jul 10 03:45:16 whats the point in flash if you cant use it Jul 10 03:45:30 only simple cache Jul 10 03:45:32 MOST SCREAMING SITES WORK Jul 10 03:45:41 lol Jul 10 03:45:45 GenericNode lol lies Jul 10 03:45:53 I don't see the point in flash personally Jul 10 03:45:56 Radix_: could you test out, say, megavideo? Jul 10 03:46:02 it works Jul 10 03:46:10 i watched sbemail Jul 10 03:46:23 the last thing I want is to get flashing flash adverts slowing my phone down too Jul 10 03:46:32 lol just test it Jul 10 03:46:34 rumsey: gimme a link and I can try, sure Jul 10 03:46:35 thats exactly what happens Jul 10 03:46:36 http://www.megavideo.com/?v=702EOFVX Jul 10 03:46:45 Shoot the duck, win an Iphone!!!!!! Jul 10 03:46:54 no Jul 10 03:46:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UqzHozPW-k Jul 10 03:47:02 no f that, not a youtube link Jul 10 03:47:19 I can't explain why that was in my clipboard. Jul 10 03:47:22 hence the size of the video Jul 10 03:47:23 omg Jul 10 03:47:26 the hero Jul 10 03:47:29 My HEROOOOOOOOOOOO Jul 10 03:47:31 AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Jul 10 03:47:47 GenericNode: sure. surrrrrrrrrrrrrre. Jul 10 03:47:50 wanking material i see Jul 10 03:47:50 cbf typing that number in.. so just going to megavideo and clicking on the first vid Jul 10 03:47:56 :-X Jul 10 03:48:04 lol damnit Radix_ Jul 10 03:48:06 that works Jul 10 03:48:18 but i don't think thye have videos on the main page, unless they do... never been there Jul 10 03:48:41 is it possible to add shared scala library to android, so it can be reused? perhaps distributed via maket place with versioning. Jul 10 03:48:57 Hey guys, i was curious if anyone knew the main differences between the 1.5 cupcake OS and the hero OS? Jul 10 03:49:01 first video was 'awesome chair flip' Jul 10 03:49:04 im sure its possible ! Jul 10 03:49:07 Radix_: thanks sooo much /kiss /kiss /kiss Jul 10 03:49:22 Im talking under the hood differences Jul 10 03:49:47 is there a standard approach? Jul 10 03:49:53 Radix_: did it work? Jul 10 03:50:39 shows all the player controls.. but doesn't seem to play Jul 10 03:50:50 :( Jul 10 03:50:59 you have to click the giant red play button Jul 10 03:51:04 in the middle of the video screen Jul 10 03:51:06 that way apk can use the shared libs. Jul 10 03:51:36 so anyone know where would i be able to get a normal faceplate? Jul 10 03:52:27 doesn't seem to want to play, sorry Jul 10 03:53:10 well that settles it Jul 10 03:53:13 screw Hero Jul 10 03:53:19 and its fake flash support Jul 10 03:53:31 the multitouch stuff in the browser rocks tho Jul 10 03:53:40 yeah but i have that on cupcake Jul 10 03:53:44 without slowness Jul 10 03:54:05 youtube works Jul 10 03:54:10 rumsey: how? Jul 10 03:54:17 youtube works on 1.0 :D Jul 10 03:54:18 how do u have multitouch on cupcake? Jul 10 03:54:25 k4r1m: lots of custom roms have it Jul 10 03:54:35 any magic roms? Jul 10 03:54:39 yea im sure Jul 10 03:54:42 probably all of them Jul 10 03:54:52 not the ones i tried... Jul 10 03:55:09 let me check Jul 10 03:55:14 ion and daldroids dont have that... there is really nothing else Jul 10 03:55:25 if I want to try hero on a Magic (UK), what rom would I want? Fatal1ty_Dream_Hero-Full_v1.3-signed? Jul 10 03:55:36 rogers roms or what branding? Jul 10 03:55:41 doc_savage: you have a PVT32B? Jul 10 03:55:55 voda UK? Jul 10 03:56:01 Radix_: A I think, yeah, vodafone Jul 10 03:56:10 k4r1m: what carrier? Jul 10 03:56:34 doc_savage: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=531617 Jul 10 03:56:45 thanks Radix_ :) Jul 10 03:56:54 those ones will all work on your phone without any changes Jul 10 03:56:57 they're designed for the voda/PVT32B phones Jul 10 03:57:30 sweet, so is my phone a PVT32B? Jul 10 03:57:37 k4r1m: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524074 Jul 10 03:57:40 rumsey: 32a rogers Jul 10 03:57:58 i make no guarantees that will work on the magic, but i see no reason it shouldn't... zinx might know. Jul 10 03:58:08 rumsey: thats dream not magic Jul 10 03:58:12 err.. that's for dream Jul 10 03:58:18 yeah Jul 10 03:58:34 I don't know why a dream img wouldn't work on a magic Jul 10 03:58:36 use http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=534464 for rogers Jul 10 03:58:40 like i said you'd have to ask someone else Jul 10 03:58:51 different boot images and wlan Jul 10 03:59:20 hmmm if there are no magic roms with multitouch that's odd Jul 10 03:59:24 and that's just between the magic versions (pvt32a/b) Jul 10 03:59:29 there are crap tons of dream images with multitouch Jul 10 03:59:43 the nk02 ion port one has multitouch browser doesn't it? Jul 10 03:59:44 might be a stupid question ,but is anyone aware of an android PIM application that doesn't rely on the google services ? Jul 10 03:59:58 naw dawg Jul 10 03:59:59 exchange? Jul 10 04:00:28 the hofo doesn't? Jul 10 04:00:52 Radix_: is that the name of the application ? Jul 10 04:01:12 no..I mean exchange support offers pim without using google Jul 10 04:01:16 hey guys...i was wondering...has anyone gotten dual sim to work on android? Jul 10 04:01:23 or tested the SIM STK? Jul 10 04:01:24 calendar/contacts/mail sync Jul 10 04:01:41 Radix_: that requires an exchange server though doesn't it ? Jul 10 04:01:48 mase: sure does Jul 10 04:02:16 got pretty far and did a quick write up but wondering if the STK app I am using is broken: http://returnbooleantrue.blogspot.com/2009/07/trying-to-get-dual-sim-to-work-in-t.html Jul 10 04:02:45 Radix_: ok. There are no others that your aware of. Exchange isn't really my cup of tea. Jul 10 04:02:59 not that I'm aware of..but I've not really looked ;) Jul 10 04:03:06 k. thanks Jul 10 04:03:50 what is PIM? Jul 10 04:03:53 push internet mail? Jul 10 04:04:08 personal information management Jul 10 04:04:09 rumsey: personal information manager? Jul 10 04:04:09 personal information manager Jul 10 04:04:15 ah Jul 10 04:04:16 manager even Jul 10 04:04:22 as in contacts/calendaring/mail typically Jul 10 04:04:44 ah yeah Jul 10 04:04:48 Radix_: booting now, I like that lil animated android boot screen :) Jul 10 04:04:51 I'm a big google apps user, so I'm using their stuff ;) Jul 10 04:04:51 doesn't that usually require some type of service Jul 10 04:04:57 like google or exchange o.o Jul 10 04:05:00 doc_savage: yup, it's cute Jul 10 04:05:06 what other PIMs would there be support for? Jul 10 04:05:44 rumsey: pretty much none? Jul 10 04:06:01 rumsey: there are alot of desktop PIM applications, but android probably would not support them directly. Jul 10 04:06:03 haha, hmmm.... then i'm not sure I understood the question Jul 10 04:06:17 i was expecting to have to write some software Jul 10 04:06:25 rumsey: the whole phone with the google apps is google's solution to a PIM Jul 10 04:06:25 just wanted something that stored contacts / calendar locally Jul 10 04:06:28 mase_work: you mean applications that are local to your pc Jul 10 04:06:33 not services that run on the internet? Jul 10 04:06:59 seriously Jul 10 04:07:06 erm. not exactly. Jul 10 04:07:15 I recommend anyone who has a HTC Magic to install the Hero Jul 10 04:07:34 it's lightyears better Jul 10 04:08:00 hmmm, it doesn't even play flash >:P Jul 10 04:08:04 i'm still upset about that Jul 10 04:08:09 the contacts / calendar entries that you add to your phone. I want an application that will either store this as a file i can access Jul 10 04:08:17 or provide an api for getting / setting the info Jul 10 04:08:23 sheesh.. give it a while.. Hero isn't even officially out yet Jul 10 04:08:32 hero is same as ION ? Jul 10 04:08:34 so that i can write sync software for my desktop PIM application Jul 10 04:08:45 it's got a way to go yet.. but it'll improve quickly I'm sure Jul 10 04:08:48 zelrikriando: what / where is hero. i am getting a magic on monday Jul 10 04:08:51 ion just has a hero theme Jul 10 04:08:53 no htc sense ui Jul 10 04:08:58 atleast not on the rogers port of it Jul 10 04:09:11 mase_work: can't you write your desktop software to interface with googles apis for mail and calender? Jul 10 04:09:45 mase_work: where do you live Jul 10 04:09:46 Radix_: when does Hero launch? for some reason i was under the impression it was out / about to be out in the UK? Jul 10 04:10:09 rumsey: i don't want my calendar events / contacts to go the the google servers so i assume no, but i could be wrong Jul 10 04:10:10 Ion is a Magic/MyTouch3G/Sapphire Jul 10 04:10:17 yeah.. should be out soon I've heard.. late july was what I'd always been told Jul 10 04:10:17 zelrikriando: Adelaide, australia Jul 10 04:10:19 I thought it was out in UK Jul 10 04:10:21 anyone successfully get wifi-tether working on the Rogers Magic? Jul 10 04:10:41 mase_work: I am not sure which hardware it is in australia Jul 10 04:10:52 anyways.. lunchtime for me.. I'm getting hungry Jul 10 04:10:54 man i don't even know what i am running Jul 10 04:11:01 i think i installed ionr2 Jul 10 04:11:16 that's not a hero based rom Jul 10 04:11:32 it isn't? Jul 10 04:11:32 mase_work: if it's the better Magic, it's worth installing the Hero UI on it Jul 10 04:11:34 ion is lacking in memory to run the hero rom properly anyway Jul 10 04:11:54 isn't ion a rom? Jul 10 04:12:03 so how can you say a rom is lacking in memory to run another rom? Jul 10 04:12:05 zelrikriando: its the one with a decent amount of ram. What is the Hero UI. I don't have my phone yet Jul 10 04:12:13 i am just doing research before i get it Jul 10 04:12:13 ion is a phone Jul 10 04:12:22 jpa-fml: did you install anything special on your magic, or it's just the default android? Jul 10 04:12:29 Radix_: so you're under the impression the hero roms that are out right now aren't the final version / final implementation of Flash? Jul 10 04:12:56 there's also a rom called nk02's ION Multi5 r4 Jul 10 04:12:58 mase_work: it's a much better interface , and also you'll have access to the real android market Jul 10 04:13:29 rumsey: who knows.. the rom that was released sounded official.. but knowing htc they rush it to the market and then update it later Jul 10 04:13:38 Radix_: the Ion is a 192MB phone, right? Jul 10 04:13:45 that's what they did with my old Touch Diamond and the touchflo interface on that Jul 10 04:13:52 zelrikriando: ive rooted it, and so far im running the Google Ion rom for rogers Jul 10 04:13:54 yeah.. ION is 192MB/PVT32B Jul 10 04:13:55 i'm not seeing where the hero rom is on this download list Jul 10 04:13:59 zelrikriando: sounds good. where would i get this from ? Jul 10 04:14:07 Radix_: True, but haven't the leaked Hero roms been out for some time now? over a month at least? Jul 10 04:14:17 yeah.. about that Jul 10 04:14:18 I didn't even know Hero had flash support at all until a couple weeks ago Jul 10 04:14:41 mase_work: it takes a bit of work to get it installed... Jul 10 04:15:01 ive heard flash support for it is still really sketchy and slow Jul 10 04:15:09 but it works Jul 10 04:15:09 jpa-fml: I just installed the Hero build, it rocks Jul 10 04:15:14 zelrikriando:meh thats fine :) Jul 10 04:15:16 zelrikriando: on the rogers magic? Jul 10 04:15:17 zelrikriando: is it fast? Jul 10 04:15:19 JACHero? Jul 10 04:15:21 jpa-fml: yeah Jul 10 04:15:25 oh right, you were in here trying to root last night eh Jul 10 04:15:28 i guess mission successful eh? Jul 10 04:15:45 my phone is in a constant state of reboot/wipe/update Jul 10 04:15:46 tachang: it's ok, not super fast, but much better designed than the rogers version Jul 10 04:16:07 zelrikriando: is it the full HTC Hero sense ui? Jul 10 04:16:09 did u get JACHero 2.4 or the no wifi 2.5? Jul 10 04:16:14 or just a black hero-like theme? Jul 10 04:16:26 zelrikriando: this ion rom i downloaded seems really really fast Jul 10 04:16:31 jpa-fml: no, I wiped it and install the hero rom Jul 10 04:16:34 tachang: for rogers? Jul 10 04:16:39 zelrikriando: is it just a UI change . Is the UI faster or is there somethign else thats good about it ? Jul 10 04:16:56 lol Jul 10 04:16:57 mase_work: the UI is slower, for the most part Jul 10 04:17:02 mase how r u on here and donj't know anything about hero Jul 10 04:17:03 zelrikriando: can you link me to which hero rom you're referring to? Also - did you flash your spl ? Jul 10 04:17:04 and its black and "cool" Jul 10 04:17:05 or just the rom? Jul 10 04:17:13 the national savings rate is 7% Jul 10 04:17:14 haha Jul 10 04:17:20 mase_work: better widgets , better touch screen keyboard... Jul 10 04:17:21 I installed this: http://code.google.com/p/sapphire-port-dream/ Jul 10 04:17:26 lasthopesinyouu: i don't have an andriod phone. I am getting one monday, and I"m in here for learning purposes Jul 10 04:17:30 better interface overall Jul 10 04:17:30 ION Rev. 2 (signed) Jul 10 04:17:36 I am not sure exactly what it is Jul 10 04:17:38 zelrik Jul 10 04:17:40 what rom did u get Jul 10 04:17:42 and I think the market is different Jul 10 04:17:55 the one that Radix_ gave me Jul 10 04:17:59 hold on I ll get the link Jul 10 04:18:00 what was it called Jul 10 04:18:09 fatalitys hero Jul 10 04:18:11 ew Jul 10 04:18:16 get JACHero2.4 Jul 10 04:18:18 this hero? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=534479 Jul 10 04:18:28 lasthopesinyouu: isnt jachero a dream rom? Jul 10 04:18:39 oh Jul 10 04:18:42 http://thephishing.net/RogersRoms/Fatal1ty_Hero-Full_v1.4-ROGERS-signed.zip Jul 10 04:18:45 didn't know they differed Jul 10 04:18:54 lasthopesinyouu: that s the one I installed Jul 10 04:19:00 yeah i see Jul 10 04:19:12 i don't know anything about it Jul 10 04:19:14 he says "ew" and he doesn't even have a magic, lol Jul 10 04:19:15 im on the g1 Jul 10 04:19:17 :D Jul 10 04:19:24 hey, quick question. if I want to get started with android development would i need to use the official developer android phone for it if I want to write an app that will run on the G1 or can I just get an Openmoko Freerunner? I can't get gsm service where i'm at Jul 10 04:19:28 i never liked fatality's rls's Jul 10 04:19:52 i don't like the name Jul 10 04:19:54 jpa-fml: http://thephishing.net/RogersRoms/Fatal1ty_Hero-Full_v1.4-ROGERS-signed.zip Jul 10 04:19:55 chrisbdaemon, doesn't matter. Jul 10 04:20:05 android is android is android Jul 10 04:20:06 jpa-fml: yes I flashed it, I think :p Jul 10 04:20:18 GenericNode: do you know if the screen resolution/size is similar? Jul 10 04:20:28 chrisbdaemon, no. is that phone even released? Jul 10 04:20:48 i gtg to bed, cya guys Jul 10 04:20:54 i'm not familiar with that phone. Jul 10 04:21:04 GenericNode: yeah, looks like it http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner Jul 10 04:21:20 isn't the freerunner GSM too? Jul 10 04:21:32 national debt only went down .1billion Jul 10 04:21:34 nerds Jul 10 04:21:37 guess people can't pay off debt without jobs :) Jul 10 04:21:52 gas anyone got a skin from uniqueskins.com for htc magic? Jul 10 04:21:57 has* Jul 10 04:22:19 Leeds: but I can get the freerunner for cheaper I think.. just checking out my options Jul 10 04:22:30 i dunno man Jul 10 04:22:32 grab a second-hand G1 Jul 10 04:22:32 $250 Jul 10 04:22:38 you can get a g1 off ebay for that Jul 10 04:22:54 anyone know how much the developer phone is priced at? I can't get into the store to buy it from cause i'm not signed up yet Jul 10 04:22:57 if you want it for developing, you want a supported device Jul 10 04:23:00 US$400 Jul 10 04:23:01 the developer g1 Jul 10 04:23:12 ah, ok Jul 10 04:23:16 the ADP1 Jul 10 04:23:38 yeah, and i thought my ipod touch was pricy lol Jul 10 04:23:52 by the way the touch screen for the hero UI feels better Jul 10 04:23:59 it's an unlocked and unsubsidised phone - what do you expect? Jul 10 04:24:04 Did they update the software Jul 10 04:24:19 zelrikriando: got it working? Jul 10 04:24:26 k4r1m: yeah Jul 10 04:24:29 that freerunner looks kind of Jul 10 04:24:34 well.. crappy :) Jul 10 04:24:35 Leeds: would I be able to use it without attaching it to a phone plan? just using wifi? Jul 10 04:24:45 chrisbdaemon: of course Jul 10 04:24:57 zelrikriando: u have a screen protecter? Jul 10 04:24:58 k4r1m: I am so excited, the Hero UI is sleek Jul 10 04:25:05 Leeds: does it just work like that or do I have to do something special with it? Jul 10 04:25:09 I dont unfortunatly Jul 10 04:25:12 im scared to flash that rom heh Jul 10 04:25:15 I was thinking about buying one Jul 10 04:25:21 k4r1m: i think i'm going to have to install this hero crap :) and try i tout but i don't have a c6 sd Jul 10 04:25:25 the ADP1 just works... a G1 needs some hacking to run without activation Jul 10 04:25:27 i have a class4 Jul 10 04:25:28 zelrikriando: did you flash your SPL or anything? Jul 10 04:25:38 jpa-fml: yes I did Jul 10 04:25:45 i heard hero runs slow on a g1 though Jul 10 04:25:52 wow and you didn't brick? Jul 10 04:25:54 ooh, the heroe phone does look pretty sweet Jul 10 04:25:55 Macer: what u need a c6 for? Jul 10 04:25:58 jpa-fml: I got the AmonRA stuff Jul 10 04:26:29 i thought hero ran horribly on a class4 Jul 10 04:26:30 did you flash from 1.33.0009 to 1.33.2005? Jul 10 04:26:32 Macer: we are running hero on magic 288mb version.... Jul 10 04:26:32 zelrikriando Jul 10 04:26:34 anyway, thanks for the help. bye Jul 10 04:26:41 jpa-fml: ? Jul 10 04:26:44 doesn't magic = faster cpu? Jul 10 04:26:50 and flash? Jul 10 04:26:56 more flash should i say Jul 10 04:27:03 no... swapper runs bad on class 4. hero rom doesnt even affect ur sdcard Jul 10 04:27:05 no, same CPU, but more memory Jul 10 04:27:09 it depends which magic Jul 10 04:27:16 but I think generally better Jul 10 04:27:21 hm Jul 10 04:27:22 than the g1 Jul 10 04:27:23 more RAM on all, more flash on some, AIUI Jul 10 04:27:25 swapper? Jul 10 04:27:28 it swaps to the sd? Jul 10 04:27:35 that sounds like bad mojo :) Jul 10 04:27:57 where's the site to install the best version of hero? Jul 10 04:28:04 i heard the bt and other things weren't working Jul 10 04:28:08 i don't understand why you'd flash your SPL? Jul 10 04:28:09 Leeds, more ROM on all Magics, same RAM on some. Jul 10 04:28:09 if i have no compass then screw it Jul 10 04:28:12 once you have hard SPL Jul 10 04:28:20 Macer: yeah, it's hard on the sdcard. but they're cheap ;) Jul 10 04:28:20 KNY: oops :) Jul 10 04:28:25 err Jul 10 04:28:28 Macer: yeha its like linux swap... its better to use class6 so it wont screw up ur card Jul 10 04:28:30 perhaps ive mis-defined things for myself Jul 10 04:28:32 JesusFreke: haha Jul 10 04:28:36 hardspl = 1.33.0009 ? Jul 10 04:28:37 JesusFreke: yeah i suppose Jul 10 04:28:41 k4r1m: er, what? Jul 10 04:28:47 JesusFreke: when will we get JF 1.6 Hero? Jul 10 04:28:51 why would a faster card screw up less? Jul 10 04:28:51 i have a hardspl that says HSPL10.95.3000 Jul 10 04:29:00 Leeds: i was told swapper is bad when you have a class4 Jul 10 04:29:03 weird Jul 10 04:29:07 Macer: shortly after hell freezes over Jul 10 04:29:08 it damages the clusters or some shit Jul 10 04:29:11 k4r1m: class4 is just slower Jul 10 04:29:17 most newer sds spread i though Jul 10 04:29:19 http://androidcommunity.com/htc-hero-rom-on-htc-magic-video-20090630/ Looks pretty slow around the 5:30 mark Jul 10 04:29:22 k4r1m: the performance might be worse, but it's going to cause just as much load Jul 10 04:29:26 JesusFreke: slacker Jul 10 04:29:47 i honstely dont care, hero runs super fast here without swapper Jul 10 04:29:56 and i have about 20mb of ram free Jul 10 04:30:16 zelrikriando: just so i can make sure you and i have equivelent setups... or atleast close.. would you mind booting your phone into fastboot mode? Jul 10 04:30:20 and telling me what your HBOOT says? Jul 10 04:30:26 Hero is coming out pretty much any day now, right? Jul 10 04:30:26 if it's 1.33.0009 or 1.33.2005 ? Jul 10 04:30:35 what confuses me at the moment is that the Galaxy seems to have completely passed everyone by Jul 10 04:30:36 KNY: 15th Jul 10 04:30:46 JesusFreke: haha Jul 10 04:30:46 k4r1m, on Orange, right? Jul 10 04:30:49 no ambition to make one huh? Jul 10 04:30:50 ah well Jul 10 04:31:02 jpa-fml: hu? does it matter? Jul 10 04:31:08 KNY: not sure, just saw it on some british site up for preorders Jul 10 04:31:08 where are g1 instructions for hero? Jul 10 04:31:11 i wouldn't mind trying it out Jul 10 04:31:25 Macer, http://google.com/ Jul 10 04:31:30 KNY: :-P Jul 10 04:31:44 Hero should ship this month in Europe Jul 10 04:31:59 the touch book should ship this month everywhere Jul 10 04:32:01 heh Jul 10 04:32:23 zelrikriando: yes very much so... certain roms don't work on certain spls.. i've frozen my phone 3 times now trying to flash some roms not made for my particular kernel version or whatever Jul 10 04:32:25 damn i don't have a linux box... i wonder if i can use my opensolaris box to partition linux stuff. i'm sure i can Jul 10 04:32:35 im quite a noob to this stuff so im probably using the wrong terminology Jul 10 04:32:39 jpa-fml: u got rogers? Jul 10 04:32:42 ive jsut been following instructions in forums... some of it works.. some fails Jul 10 04:32:44 k4r1m: yup Jul 10 04:32:53 magic Jul 10 04:33:39 jpa-fml: the safest way is to flash ur spl to 2005, boot rav recovery then hero rom Jul 10 04:33:53 just did that to my friends magic about 2 hours ago, took me 10 mins Jul 10 04:34:12 jpa-fml: I can tell you what I did : Jul 10 04:34:18 hrmm.. someone told me absolutely not to flash my spl at the risk of killing my phone completely Jul 10 04:34:32 jpa-fml: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=530492 about everything that is on that page Jul 10 04:35:32 zelrikriando: u got any skins/protectors in mind? Jul 10 04:35:37 i have been looking all day lol Jul 10 04:36:02 I'm going to receive a htc dream with old android, how do I upgrade it to 1.5? Jul 10 04:36:05 zelrikriando: k. i dunno.. i've already rooted, and flashed to the google ion rom for rogers... Jul 10 04:36:06 k4r1m: there is nothing interesting yet, you can buy some sheets and cut them... Jul 10 04:36:06 sup guize :P Jul 10 04:36:09 not quite sure where i should begin in this thread tbh Jul 10 04:36:13 pure noob i am Jul 10 04:36:39 hmm Jul 10 04:36:49 there is no busybox on this ion Jul 10 04:36:51 zelrikriando: i found this site uniqueskins.com which lets you design full gel skins but i cant seem to find an example of the dream version... g1 version looks sexy Jul 10 04:36:53 jpa-fml: if you do home+boot you get the green screen of pleasure? Jul 10 04:37:11 i get 3 androids on skateboards Jul 10 04:37:25 thats the bootloader Jul 10 04:37:30 for fastboot'ing Jul 10 04:37:40 jpa-fml: you should get the picture that 's on that link I sent you Jul 10 04:38:00 jpa-fml: if you get the green screen of pleasure, you ll be set :p Jul 10 04:38:01 the amount of ripped-off content on the market is incredible Jul 10 04:38:08 oh yeah.. that's if i type "fastboot boot recovery-RAv1.1.1H.img" in dos Jul 10 04:38:08 while the phone is in fastboot mode Jul 10 04:38:14 Leeds: lol ideas are free. Jul 10 04:38:36 k4r1m: but samples from movies aren't Jul 10 04:38:37 i've used the recovery-RAv1.1.1H.img to flash to google ion Jul 10 04:39:02 Leeds: thats true, unless if that "obama deception" movie =P Jul 10 04:39:03 zelrikriando: that green screen is the SPL? Jul 10 04:39:25 I dont know what Spl is :p Jul 10 04:39:31 I just know the G-SPL Jul 10 04:39:46 where is blau? Jul 10 04:39:47 Green screen of PLeasure Jul 10 04:40:01 what green screen? Jul 10 04:40:13 http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/628/props.png Jul 10 04:40:16 jpa-fml: D00D Jul 10 04:40:26 jpa-fml: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=530492 Jul 10 04:40:53 i could just be really high Jul 10 04:41:01 jpa-fml: if you dont get that screen when you do HOME+boot you re not ready for pleasure Jul 10 04:41:22 k no.. home + boot just boots the phone Jul 10 04:41:30 no Jul 10 04:41:37 err no Jul 10 04:41:39 im in recovery mode Jul 10 04:41:40 wwhttp://www.allshadow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5894 Jul 10 04:41:41 home+boot gives you the GSPL Jul 10 04:41:49 i guess that one will work Jul 10 04:41:52 they call it rosie? Jul 10 04:41:56 with blue shit Jul 10 04:42:13 just a /!\ logo thing beside a phone Jul 10 04:42:19 apparently in recovery mode.. when i home + boot Jul 10 04:42:31 er Jul 10 04:42:38 you have to press something to get the menu up Jul 10 04:42:44 alt+L ? Jul 10 04:42:44 yeah Jul 10 04:42:46 blue text Jul 10 04:42:51 only see ALT + S Jul 10 04:42:54 and ALT + W Jul 10 04:43:07 as well as reboot obviously Jul 10 04:43:13 no "green screen of pleasure" Jul 10 04:43:15 how do I get that? Jul 10 04:43:41 if im currently on rogers magic.. HBOOT 1.33.0009... Jul 10 04:43:44 rooted atleast Jul 10 04:43:49 and flashed to google ion rom Jul 10 04:44:19 heh Jul 10 04:44:28 well. i'm going to try this hero crap tomorrow and see how it is Jul 10 04:44:31 hopefully it is good :) Jul 10 04:45:34 i want to try it now but im scared, and apparently not ready for it :P Jul 10 04:45:36 dont wanna brick my phone Jul 10 04:45:43 i have to flash SPL to get hero rom apparently Jul 10 04:45:48 1.33.2005? Jul 10 04:48:15 jpa-fml: I did it Jul 10 04:48:29 a g1 can't be upgrade from 1.1 to 1.5? htc.com says it won't work Jul 10 04:48:31 im were you on 1.33.0009 before? Jul 10 04:48:40 htc says a lot of stuff Jul 10 04:48:59 dude I dont want to reboot Jul 10 04:49:00 hold on Jul 10 04:49:16 jpa-fml: so the t-mobile g1 can be upgraded? Jul 10 04:49:37 no clue Jul 10 04:50:11 jpa-fml: 1-33.2005 Jul 10 04:50:17 that s what I read Jul 10 04:50:31 k but do you know if you were on 1.33.0009 BEFORE? Jul 10 04:50:38 I have no clue Jul 10 04:50:49 i have to make sure flashing from 1.33.0009 to something else won't brick my phone Jul 10 04:50:51 as 3 people yesterday warned me that flashing from 1.33.0009 can permanently brick Jul 10 04:50:52 hrmm Jul 10 04:50:54 anyone? input? Jul 10 04:53:57 I don't understand how flashing SPLs alone can render your phone a brick Jul 10 04:54:04 neither do I Jul 10 04:54:09 but i dont understand any of this stuff Jul 10 04:54:20 since you still have other methods of booting Jul 10 04:56:04 jpa-fml, at least you got a warningf Jul 10 04:56:34 heh yeah Jul 10 04:57:13 just leaves me at a pretty boring position Jul 10 04:57:13 only like... Jul 10 04:57:16 3 roms work for this Jul 10 04:57:21 and not very good roms Jul 10 04:57:49 yeah, because the only thing worth doing with your phone is flashing unsupported, unreliable hacked OS images onto it Jul 10 04:58:10 i can tell you're being sarcastic Jul 10 04:58:15 but no clue what point you're trying to make ? Jul 10 04:58:21 Leeds doesn't believe in sarcasm. Jul 10 04:58:32 And SPL's are a great way to brick your phone. Jul 10 04:58:38 Leeds: If you buy an Android phone, you got to hack it until it burns Jul 10 04:58:38 well i noticed he doesn't practice it much Jul 10 04:59:22 GenericNode: I SPL'ed mine, it's still alive Jul 10 04:59:34 consider yourself lucky Jul 10 04:59:36 my point is that there is nothing wrong with the standard supported OS... sure, there may be prettier things out there, but it's largely cosmetic Jul 10 04:59:38 GenericNode: nobody warned me though Jul 10 04:59:42 and we're not sure for sure if you had the 1.33.0009 spl before? Jul 10 05:00:07 Leeds: if i wanted to stick with a standard OS, id have gotten an iphone Jul 10 05:00:09 and if all you care about is how pretty your phone is - and you're willing to give up support and reliability for that - you're a bit of a fool, really Jul 10 05:00:32 The Secondary Program Loader is the failsafe for a bad ROM flash. If the SPL flash goes wrong, you're boned. If a ROM flash goes wrong, you fall back on the SPL for recovery. Jul 10 05:00:40 if you're hacking the OS, more power to you... if you're just flashing other people's hacks, you're pretty boring yourself Jul 10 05:01:13 JTAG is ultimate, but nobody has done that yet. Jul 10 05:01:15 Leeds: to be honest, my main concern is getting wifi-tethering working completely Jul 10 05:01:22 or even USB tethering Jul 10 05:01:24 without having to use PDANet Jul 10 05:01:48 I use tetherbot on my phone... doesn't need root Jul 10 05:01:59 and rooting is *not* the same as flashing random OS images Jul 10 05:02:07 My phone is garanteed against loss Jul 10 05:02:12 so Jul 10 05:02:17 I think I am ok Jul 10 05:02:19 gauranteed, eh? Jul 10 05:02:24 Let's meet up somewhere. Jul 10 05:02:29 Leeds: i know.. but you have to root in order to flash other rom images that might support tethering, no ? Jul 10 05:02:43 tethering doesn't work for me on standard OS Jul 10 05:02:44 jpa-fml, no, proxy. Jul 10 05:02:46 can't you just flash random ROM images without updating your SPL Jul 10 05:02:53 tachang, yeah. Jul 10 05:02:59 jpa-fml: have you tried tetherbot? Jul 10 05:03:00 and i've done that Jul 10 05:03:05 i still have stock SPL Jul 10 05:03:22 you don't need any other SPL unless you want some special feature that comes with some. Jul 10 05:03:31 which arent that special. Jul 10 05:03:37 Like me. I'm special. Jul 10 05:03:43 I don't understand though why certain images don't work with certain SPLs Jul 10 05:03:56 the SPL is just there to load Jul 10 05:03:57 tachang, the SPL controls the internal memory partition sizes. Jul 10 05:04:06 Some ROM's require more space on internal memory. Jul 10 05:04:12 on the /system Jul 10 05:04:17 ah Jul 10 05:04:18 god damn Jul 10 05:04:22 that's why Jul 10 05:04:24 ie, Hero. Jul 10 05:04:40 so you flash a new SPL to get a specific amount of internal memory allocated to your OS Jul 10 05:04:51 depending on what is needed Jul 10 05:05:03 tachang, Yeah. Only Haykuro's SPL changes the parition sizes though. AFAIK. Jul 10 05:05:13 To make more room for the Hero ROM's. Jul 10 05:05:35 so that's the primary difference between the SPLs? Jul 10 05:05:43 (aside from additional features) Jul 10 05:05:57 aside from nanroid, yeah pretty much Jul 10 05:06:16 can't you still recover from a bad SPL though? Jul 10 05:06:22 no Jul 10 05:06:32 hence "bricked" Jul 10 05:06:32 that sounds pretty hard Jul 10 05:06:35 some people *claim* to have recovered from it, but i dont buy it. Jul 10 05:06:53 there isn't any code inside the ROM Jul 10 05:06:58 that says to read directly from USB Jul 10 05:07:00 or something? Jul 10 05:07:10 ..no Jul 10 05:07:13 think about it Jul 10 05:07:24 HTC said "we need to make a failsafe program...SPL" Jul 10 05:07:26 if it's bricked, give it back for repair :p Jul 10 05:07:26 omg the touchpad on this aspireone SUCKS Jul 10 05:07:30 SPL IS the Failsafe. Jul 10 05:07:35 and they ll be like wtf Jul 10 05:07:45 haha Jul 10 05:07:53 And yet, users, idiots, enjoy messing with the failsafe. Jul 10 05:08:03 LOLZ NEW SPLS UPDATE NOWZZZZ Jul 10 05:08:19 GenericNode: eh I didnt see any warning Jul 10 05:08:20 hold on Jul 10 05:08:25 I thoroughly enjoy the brick thread on XDA. Jul 10 05:08:54 well there is a legitimate reason to get a different SPL than stock right? Jul 10 05:09:00 zelrikriando, I'm not bashing on you, honest. I'm just stating my opinion. Jul 10 05:09:14 tachang, wtf? Nandroid, Hero. Jul 10 05:09:20 GenericNode: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=530492 do you see any warning here Jul 10 05:09:41 GenericNode: I am just saying that misinformation is out there Jul 10 05:09:42 zelrikriando, I Do not care. At all. I wasn't directing this at you, I was just talking with tachang. Jul 10 05:09:55 Why, did you brick? Jul 10 05:10:01 wtf Jul 10 05:10:03 GenericNode: I understand that, I am just concerned about other users Jul 10 05:10:05 I didnt Jul 10 05:10:08 ok thsi is stupid Jul 10 05:10:19 i just tried to set up the mouse and now i'm getting some stupid intellipoint crap Jul 10 05:10:26 where it can't find an install program Jul 10 05:10:28 or file Jul 10 05:10:31 how idiotic Jul 10 05:10:32 zelrikriando, because it's been said. Over and Over and Over again on XDA. User's dont search or research anything. Jul 10 05:10:53 and you need to take it up with the thread starter, they're the ones that didn't include a warning. Jul 10 05:10:55 GenericNode: it seems like the reason I installed hardspl is so I can install ROMs more easily? Jul 10 05:11:01 XDA forums does not speak for this IRC channel. Jul 10 05:11:02 GenericNode: through the use of the adb fastboot command? Jul 10 05:11:09 and vica versa Jul 10 05:12:38 tachang, ROM install is just copying update.zip to your sdcard. using adb to do that is kind of cumbersome. Jul 10 05:13:09 GenericNode: the SPL is what I see when I press home and power? Jul 10 05:13:16 NOOOOOOOOOOO Jul 10 05:13:20 Are you a god damn troll? Jul 10 05:13:26 haha Jul 10 05:13:31 10/10 Jul 10 05:13:33 GenericNode: I am gonna try to write a tutorial based on what I experienced, I ll try to document it better Jul 10 05:13:35 Christ. Jul 10 05:14:02 then what is that? Jul 10 05:14:08 Recovery. Jul 10 05:14:44 and the recovery is part of the ROM? Jul 10 05:14:52 :-( Jul 10 05:14:55 there is no ROM Jul 10 05:15:01 there is no Spoon. Jul 10 05:15:03 the GSPL is the green screen of pleasure (or recovery) Jul 10 05:15:08 if there was, you wouldn't be able to write to it... Jul 10 05:15:15 i mean...the firmware Jul 10 05:15:16 the SPL is even deeper than that Jul 10 05:15:29 The phone runs on magic. Jul 10 05:15:31 GenericNode: I'm surprised we don't see random hacks to the radio to make it go faster or something Jul 10 05:15:34 my phone is Magic Jul 10 05:15:37 which is probably written to something like EEPROM right? Jul 10 05:15:52 it's all flash Jul 10 05:16:01 Leeds, I'm going to write a super 1337 update.zip full of radio enhancing features. Jul 10 05:16:13 See how many bricks pile up before they figure it out. Jul 10 05:16:29 i'm trying to figure out why i even flashed a new SPL Jul 10 05:16:29 GenericNode: I guess as more users will blow up their phone, warnings will show up more often :p Jul 10 05:16:32 flashing your radio is a really easy way to fuck up your phone Jul 10 05:16:50 It's a really easy way to ENHANCE your phone! Jul 10 05:16:57 Now with more Ghz! Jul 10 05:17:07 BOOM Jul 10 05:18:10 heh, a radio which runs the CPU at full speed - all the time - and silently ignores commands to turn off the radio hardware... leading to about 15 minutes of battery life Jul 10 05:18:17 oh, and melted CPUs Jul 10 05:18:21 GenericNode: even if you flash your radio to an incompatible version you should still be able to boot into recovery and flash the old one right? Jul 10 05:18:52 tachang, please try and report back. Jul 10 05:19:19 I hear there is a cool update.zip that allows you to use Sprint, Verizon and AT&T's 3G. Jul 10 05:19:38 Concurrently. Jul 10 05:19:46 But don't tell anyone. It's a secret! Jul 10 05:20:00 lol that sounds like a real deal Jul 10 05:21:07 I am glad I made it actually Jul 10 05:21:15 my phone could have exploded Jul 10 05:35:33 Ahh.. that was nice.. seafood laksa for lunch on a cold, wet and rainy day :) Jul 10 05:35:47 nice Jul 10 05:36:36 my ex-flatmate is a big laksa fan... she lives in Singapore now :) Jul 10 05:40:53 so can anyone confirm that i still shouldn't flash my SPL at ALL if i'm on 1.33.0009? Jul 10 05:41:00 ie: Rogers Magic Jul 10 05:41:06 I flashed mine Jul 10 05:41:12 with 1.33.2005 Jul 10 05:41:23 I needed to to flash the boot image with an oc'd one Jul 10 05:41:34 I don't have a rogers tho Jul 10 05:41:50 but mine is virtually identical.. PVT32A (mine's TW HAMI) Jul 10 05:44:41 hrmm Jul 10 05:44:41 and you were on 1.33.0009 ? Jul 10 05:44:52 yup Jul 10 05:45:08 http://radixgadgets.blogspot.com - all my adventures on there Jul 10 05:45:45 SAPPHIRE PVT 32A SHIP S-ON H Jul 10 05:45:45 HBOOT-1.33.0009 (SAPP10000) Jul 10 05:45:50 that's what I had before Jul 10 05:46:29 I flashed the PVT32A 1.33.2005 engineering SPL Jul 10 05:46:44 from this thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=529019 Jul 10 05:47:22 same SPL has been confirmed to work on your phone too Jul 10 05:47:32 Radix_: you seem to know your stuff with the magics, UK vodafone = PVT32A or B? vodafone site says 192MB, about phone says 222MB available Jul 10 05:47:42 UK voda is PVT32B Jul 10 05:47:49 ok cool, thanks Jul 10 05:47:53 phone tells you the STORAGE available.. not memory Jul 10 05:48:14 ah, i see Jul 10 05:48:20 bahh Jul 10 05:48:20 so that's what's left of your 512MB flash Jul 10 05:48:46 you want the memory, drop into adb shell and cat /proc/meminfo Jul 10 05:48:55 it'll tell you how much memory is left after framebuffers, device io, etc.. Jul 10 05:48:59 i missed everything you said after .....\ [01:47] same SPL has been confirmed to work on your phone too Jul 10 05:49:03 ik assume that was it? Jul 10 05:49:10 you'll have the same as the dreams - or around ~98MB free Jul 10 05:49:22 jpa: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=529019 Jul 10 05:49:34 read that.. I installed the Engineering SPL listed there Jul 10 05:49:40 yup, your right: MemTotal: 94348 kB, thanks for the info :) Jul 10 05:50:08 doc_savage: common question.. it's been rehashed soooo many times ;) Jul 10 05:50:25 doc_savage: just confusing that it displays that and says memory.. when it's actually rom storage Jul 10 05:50:27 so its as simple as throwing that file on the sdcard and doing the apply:update.zip thing from fastboot? Jul 10 05:50:28 or whatever Jul 10 05:50:36 jpa: yup Jul 10 05:50:37 lol yeah I bet, this is the first I've heard of the PVT32A/B namings Jul 10 05:51:15 doc_savage: yeah, it's frustrating.. especially for users like yourself that didn't realise beforehand Jul 10 05:51:36 yeah, hero is a bit laggy :( Jul 10 05:51:41 ok, so to upgrade my tmobile g1 from 1.1 to 1.5 I need to root it first and change the spl to engineering, is that correct? Jul 10 05:52:12 will vodafone start selling the A models or will it always be B, you know incase mine "develops" a fault :) Jul 10 05:55:03 oh Jul 10 05:55:05 Radix_ Jul 10 05:55:13 can i just flash the SPL using the rom i'm on? Jul 10 05:55:16 or will i have to flash the SPL Jul 10 05:55:18 then re-flash a new rom Jul 10 05:55:20 ? Jul 10 05:55:36 no need to reflash rom Jul 10 05:55:44 just dont wipe! Jul 10 05:57:09 k sweet Jul 10 05:57:14 here goes nothing :\ Jul 10 05:57:39 <_Auron_> omfg, text editors are pissing me off right now. Jul 10 05:59:39 fuck sakes Jul 10 05:59:40 radii Jul 10 05:59:42 Radix_ Jul 10 05:59:45 phone keeps rebooting Jul 10 05:59:50 goes to rogers screen Jul 10 05:59:55 the Htc magic screen Jul 10 05:59:56 then reboots Jul 10 05:59:57 over and over Jul 10 06:00:00 oh wait Jul 10 06:00:01 it sstopped Jul 10 06:00:12 pheeewwww Jul 10 06:00:34 jpa: Jul 10 06:00:35 your Jul 10 06:00:37 return Jul 10 06:00:39 key Jul 10 06:00:40 is Jul 10 06:00:42 broken? Jul 10 06:00:58 no Jul 10 06:00:59 i Jul 10 06:01:00 thi Jul 10 06:01:01 nk Jul 10 06:01:02 its Jul 10 06:01:04 wor Jul 10 06:01:05 king Jul 10 06:01:09 fine Jul 10 06:01:12 it Jul 10 06:01:13 seems Jul 10 06:01:15 to Jul 10 06:01:16 fire Jul 10 06:01:17 far Jul 10 06:01:17 too Jul 10 06:01:18 boom Jul 10 06:01:18 often Jul 10 06:01:21 thank you so much Radix Jul 10 06:01:24 man, that's actually hard to write.. I'm too used to typing in a line Jul 10 06:01:28 np Jul 10 06:01:44 and yeah..it boots once.. shows a pic of haykuro.. then reboots and starts normally ;) Jul 10 06:01:58 runs his script, hacks the spl, then installs ;) Jul 10 06:02:57 now one thing to note tho is that now you have no protection on your SPL.. which is good.. but also you need to be careful what you go flashing! ;) Jul 10 06:05:59 wow horrible connectivity on 3g tethering tonight with iphone Jul 10 06:06:29 now that ive flashed spl hboot 1.33.2005... what else can I do? :P Jul 10 06:08:02 ok folks, I need some help here, following the trheads to root a brand new g1 phone off xda Jul 10 06:08:27 however, when I'm telling my friend to start up the phone and load the bootloader by holding down camera + power button Jul 10 06:08:58 he says the screen turns gray for a split moment, saying it's loading something, and then states no image file for a split second before that gray screen dissappears and nothing happens Jul 10 06:09:09 DREAIMG.nbh is on the sdcard Jul 10 06:10:54 did he format the SD card for the flashing? Jul 10 06:11:00 fat32 Jul 10 06:11:15 anyoen know what the problem could be? hm Jul 10 06:12:03 Leeds: he did not format the sdcard Jul 10 06:12:40 <_Auron_> okay so from logcat output I found a pattern of when my program unintentionally fps caps and when it doesn't Jul 10 06:12:49 isn't a sdcard formatted already if he can put ringtones/wallpapers etc on it? Jul 10 06:13:36 AIUI, the filesystem handling in the updater is a bit fiddly, and it prefers the update to be the first thing on a filesystem Jul 10 06:15:19 k4r1m, you around? Jul 10 06:15:22 Hi, just read that T-mobile expects to do 2 updates for their Android phones this year. Just curious is there was an ETA for Doughnut, anyone around here knows when to expect it? Jul 10 06:15:58 it's donut, and no, not really Jul 10 06:16:08 American spelling, don'tcha know Jul 10 06:17:44 Leeds: ok, I'm telling him to just boot into windows..he's a newbie when it comes to linux, from there we'll format the partition on the sdcard to fat32 and try it again, thanks for the hint (hopefully that was that important step that we missed together) Jul 10 06:23:25 I like donuts. Jul 10 06:24:38 <_Auron_> you guys wanna read something interesting about prog init limiting my FPS? Jul 10 06:24:47 <_Auron_> 48FPS cap: http://pastebin.org/856 Jul 10 06:24:55 <_Auron_> no cap: http://pastebin.org/857 Jul 10 06:25:09 <_Auron_> highlighted parts are what interest me. Jul 10 06:26:43 so... no surface granted? Jul 10 06:26:56 oh, there is Jul 10 06:27:00 <_Auron_> not entirely sure. I'm not even sure why it gets requested twice on init Jul 10 06:27:20 <_Auron_> but the interesting bit is the order of the highlighted lines Jul 10 06:27:35 are you sure the log is strictly in-order? Jul 10 06:28:08 <_Auron_> yes Jul 10 06:28:52 <_Auron_> I ran more tests and got the same results. the EGL.oem being after the display starts when it caps at 48FPS Jul 10 06:31:05 and w00t Jul 10 06:31:08 successfully flash to hero rom Jul 10 06:31:13 fatal1tys hero rom Jul 10 06:31:25 any opinions? Jul 10 06:34:16 <_Auron_> Leeds: so something in how the opengl es surface is intialized is causing a framerate cap, or some extra process that's taking a lot of cpu Jul 10 06:34:59 if it's an actual cap, it's pretty suspicious... if it's just a drop in performance I'd say it's something else running Jul 10 06:39:18 <_Auron_> it's an actual cap. I ran tests before where I did *NOTHING* in onDrawFrame() other than process framerate every second and spit it out using log.d every 10 seconds (as an average for the past 10 seconds), result was either ~48 or ~60 depending whatever randomly state it put itself in when I ran the program Jul 10 06:45:08 Haha I love the comments in the market Jul 10 06:45:25 When users trying to force a developer to do something by giving 1 star :P Jul 10 06:46:45 <_Auron_> sometimes I flag users for stupid comments Jul 10 06:46:55 <_Auron_> because they serve no purpose as a comment Jul 10 06:49:02 someone left me a comment today in mixed Chinese/English - it's no problem, I have a convenient translator in my gf - except that even she couldn't understand it! Jul 10 06:49:57 it was a 5 star comment, so I'm not too bothered :) Jul 10 06:50:24 _Auron_: it's not something silly like needing to pause for a short time between initialising something and using it? Jul 10 06:50:46 <_Auron_> not sure Jul 10 06:51:16 _Auron_: Well the point is that I start ignoring the market at some point. I don't need the comments of 10 year old kids. :-) Jul 10 06:51:59 <_Auron_> Leeds: another thing I notice is when it runs fullspeed it takes < 1000ms for init, but when it caps in runtime it takes >1000ms to init Jul 10 06:52:05 hey, all. how about a Ers Block game? Jul 10 06:52:29 <_Auron_> so I'm not sure that's it Jul 10 06:59:35 sounds suspicious too Jul 10 07:01:52 ah... we have worked out that "十卜!" is actually "support!" written phonetically in Chinese! Jul 10 07:02:34 <_Auron_> lol Jul 10 07:02:49 <_Auron_> BOXBOX! Jul 10 07:04:31 how do i lock my ringer volume so the side buttons can't change it Jul 10 07:04:37 ringer/notification Jul 10 07:05:17 Leeds: haha, that sounds unlike support to me.. Jul 10 07:05:25 sahp buk.. okay.. Jul 10 07:06:20 well yes, that's what I said - but the full comment is "Support HK! 十卜! 十卜!" so she reckons, in context, it means support Jul 10 07:07:23 I haven't had any Chinese comments left on my app yet. Jul 10 07:07:32 is it translated? Jul 10 07:07:52 there are three Chinese-locale comments on mine, which don't show on cyrket, but do show on my phone when I set the local to Chinese Jul 10 07:07:56 The translated versions aren't in the Market .. Jul 10 07:08:06 Oh, interesting. Jul 10 07:08:43 I mentioned it to saurik the other day - he said he knew about it, had a fix for cyrket, but was a bit busy with some other phone at the moment, dunno, some niche thing Jul 10 07:09:20 ah, it *does* show all of them if I do "show all comments" Jul 10 07:10:56 I do have an "Asia" APK on my website that has Indonesian and Chinese (Trad/Simp) that has a handful of downloads Jul 10 07:11:21 I dunno, maybe 100 downloads of the Asia APK in the past month Jul 10 07:11:56 since mine is explicitly HK software, it makes sense to localise it Jul 10 07:12:11 out of interest, why not publish it for multiple locales? Jul 10 07:12:20 yeah, I'm kind of stuck Jul 10 07:13:10 The changing of the package name stopped me.. didn't want to deal with that. Jul 10 07:13:15 * _Auron_ is supremely bothered by this fps cap now :/ Jul 10 07:13:29 ah Jul 10 07:14:27 Leeds: I heard some rumblings that something new is coming in Market, so maybe I won't have to bother :-) Jul 10 07:14:39 something new... like? Jul 10 07:14:53 No idea, but I'm hoping it's L10n Jul 10 07:15:03 I saw somebody comment on Market work over the summer, but it seemed more like a hope than anything with legs Jul 10 07:15:10 erm, the Market *does* have l10n Jul 10 07:15:25 I mean more, easier L10n Jul 10 07:15:30 hmm, is it possible to open those ApiDemos in eclipse? Jul 10 07:15:30 like what? Jul 10 07:16:08 or any of those in platforms/android-1.5/samples/ Jul 10 07:16:27 i don't know how to open those apps under eclipse, if i'm supposed to. Jul 10 07:17:15 just wanna build some of them that's all. Jul 10 07:17:44 Leeds: Can you upload multiple packages with the same ID for different locales now? Jul 10 07:18:38 don't think so - but you can upload one package with support for multiple locales? Jul 10 07:19:49 Yeah, but that changes the size from 345k -> 550k Jul 10 07:19:57 ah, create project from existing source... Jul 10 07:20:27 you have 200k of compressed text resources? Jul 10 07:20:37 18 languages Jul 10 07:20:45 hmm... Jul 10 07:21:04 203 translated strings Jul 10 07:21:47 Actually, I don't know why it makes it so large... Jul 10 07:21:53 I only have 2 languages - English and zh_tw Jul 10 07:22:43 Maybe the APK builder isn't as smart as I'd assumed Jul 10 07:22:43 assume an average size of 25 bytes/characters per string, that's only 91k, uncompressed Jul 10 07:22:53 of course there's XML/resource overhead Jul 10 07:23:43 Apparently a lot of overhead Jul 10 07:26:59 hm, apparently resources aren't compressed Jul 10 07:27:05 anyone already got hands on the htc hero? Jul 10 07:27:11 228876 Stored 228876 0% 07-09-09 16:17 30296307 resources.arsc Jul 10 07:28:33 Everything is in UTF-16 as well Jul 10 07:28:37 arse ;) Jul 10 07:28:50 but I thought the whole apk was zipped? Jul 10 07:29:10 It is, but the resources are just stored.. I guess it indexes directly into the APK Jul 10 07:30:23 oh well Jul 10 07:33:11 to be honest, I'd say bugger it, publish the thing, and people can live with 550k Jul 10 08:07:14 which version of elcipse should I install? Eclipse IDE for Java EE developers or Eclipse IDE for JAva developers Jul 10 08:08:54 hi all Jul 10 08:09:05 could someone tell me how to take screenshots on g1 Jul 10 08:09:48 with the sdk and screenshot2 or with the screenshot app from the market Jul 10 08:10:02 thanks t4c Jul 10 08:11:04 give me some arguments why android is much better than iPhone OS :) Jul 10 08:11:25 wow.. fatal1ty Hero rom for rogers magic is quite nice Jul 10 08:11:28 stffn, you are askjing in an android channel that is reason enough for it to be better Jul 10 08:11:32 XD Jul 10 08:11:51 hell yeah Jul 10 08:11:59 quite fast with very little lag even with 7 screens of widgets, 4 of which requiring background data Jul 10 08:12:20 i think the iphone 3.0 will only be worth it if you have a 3GS Jul 10 08:12:34 no digital compust = fail Jul 10 08:13:27 ive used an iphone a fair bit and i have to say it has it's advantages over the android - only if you like simplicity Jul 10 08:13:39 android phones are mostly marketed to a different demographic Jul 10 08:13:54 imo Jul 10 08:14:05 i had an iphone 2g for a year then switched to a g1, i prefure the g1 Jul 10 08:14:06 hm, strange Jul 10 08:14:26 everythings seams quicker and easyer Jul 10 08:14:26 i personally prefer my htc magic Jul 10 08:14:35 more fun imo Jul 10 08:14:43 i would miss the keyboard tho Jul 10 08:14:48 thats why i wanted the g1 Jul 10 08:14:50 its fun not having to do everything through itunes Jul 10 08:14:56 yeah Jul 10 08:15:07 i think its much more relaxed Jul 10 08:15:20 i'm on cyanogen's mod with cm's recovery 1.3.1, I did do a wipe/factory reset, and even tried it through Settings / SD Card Storage/Usage to reset to factory (removing all apps), yet after the phone reboots, I'm still back with all my apps, what's the best way to start all over..all settings/data and apps removed, basically ending up with just the basic current ROM (cyanogen's 3.6.5) ? Jul 10 08:15:39 facelessloser: yeah i originally got the htc dream when it came to Rogers. I enjoyed it but it was way too bulky in my pocket, and because I was paranoid about breaking the screen off after a while while using it open.. i hardly ever opened and just used the virtual keyboard anyway :P Jul 10 08:15:41 so i returned it for the magic Jul 10 08:16:06 lol i know what you mean Jul 10 08:16:07 prodigy: erase everything off of your sdcard? Jul 10 08:16:29 maybe at some point you backed everything up to your sdcard? (with something like Apps2SD maybe?) Jul 10 08:16:53 facelessloser: yeah i tend to carry my phone in my pocket.. and having a big bulge there wasn't comfortable Jul 10 08:16:56 magic is nice & small :) Jul 10 08:17:17 yeah i didnt think it was that much thinner Jul 10 08:17:27 the iphone was very slim Jul 10 08:17:57 htc magic is only 1.5mm thicker than iphone Jul 10 08:18:05 wow thats cool Jul 10 08:18:31 doesnt the "chin" make it abit thicker in the pocket Jul 10 08:19:13 no not really Jul 10 08:19:15 not at all actually. Jul 10 08:19:24 the chin is smaller on the magic than on the g1 Jul 10 08:19:54 oh right cool Jul 10 08:19:55 plus with the extra few mm shaved off without the keyboard = not too big a bulge Jul 10 08:20:08 i do miss the keyboard tho Jul 10 08:20:13 jpa--: right with the simplicity fact ... it has too less functions for me (the iPhone) Jul 10 08:20:18 like when i get a touch.input force close error Jul 10 08:20:18 and cant type Jul 10 08:20:41 stffn: same.. its made for people who like to keep it simple.. ie: dont need a lot of functions ;) Jul 10 08:21:07 yeha jpa thats true Jul 10 08:21:40 i cant believe people bought the first 2g iphone with 1.x firmware, it couldnt even do simple tasks Jul 10 08:21:54 hahaha Jul 10 08:21:59 i dont see how its soo big now, apple are the king of spin tho Jul 10 08:22:09 agreed Jul 10 08:22:14 aesthetically, the iphone is brilliant Jul 10 08:22:26 feels nice to hold and use.. very sleak.. super crisp and fast OS, etc Jul 10 08:22:27 but its just too simple Jul 10 08:22:27 yeah but it's like with the wifes Jul 10 08:22:31 and over marketed Jul 10 08:22:40 what does it help to have a good looking one that has no brains ;) Jul 10 08:22:52 lol stffn Jul 10 08:23:08 and it cost too much to keep up with the crowd Jul 10 08:23:13 :D Jul 10 08:23:17 and if you dont keep you your phone sucks Jul 10 08:23:35 i do sales for a service provider in Canada (the big one), and every day i have more and more older people in their late 30s, 40s and 50s even, asking about iphones Jul 10 08:23:36 jpa--: ok I deleted everything off my fat32 partition and also the app/* and app-private/* off my ext3 partition....how about the dalvik-cache ...should I leave that alone or also remove that? Jul 10 08:23:58 I basically want to start all over again, with installing apps, doing all the settings etc Jul 10 08:23:58 prodigy: oh hrm.. i don't know really Jul 10 08:24:13 hrm Jul 10 08:24:14 are you rooted and flashed? Jul 10 08:24:18 jpa--: interesting Jul 10 08:24:25 makes sense though Jul 10 08:24:51 yeah Jul 10 08:25:12 jpa--: the main reason I'm doing this is i noticed a lot of processes and apps under "Settings | Applications| etc" that have no icons and where I'm not sure what they're for, could have been from all my previous ROMS and that they're not supposed to be there hence slowing down my system/eating up battery life Jul 10 08:25:31 that sucks prodigy Jul 10 08:25:40 oh hrmm Jul 10 08:25:58 should I just remove all partitions on my sdcard, set it all up again with the update.zip for cyanogen's mod 3.6.5 and start applying the update.zip and doing the wipe then and there? Jul 10 08:26:01 prodigy: to be honest... i only rooted 2 days ago, and successfully flashed SPL tonight Jul 10 08:26:01 soo yeah Jul 10 08:26:01 im not going to be much help :) Jul 10 08:26:10 im still excited about a Hero rom i just flashed Jul 10 08:26:36 will i notice much difference in speed between dream / magic / hero? Jul 10 08:26:46 probably Jul 10 08:27:05 i noticed a difference between stock standard OS between magic and dream Jul 10 08:27:32 do I just delete the files inside app / app-private or can I safely remove the directories too and cyanogen's mod will recreate them ? Jul 10 08:28:34 stffn: yes between dream/magic to hero. Jul 10 08:28:48 prodigy: sorry i have no idea Jul 10 08:28:51 stffn: hero is slow on dreams and magics. Jul 10 08:29:02 sounds like you didn't properly wipe data prior to flashing between roms at some point Jul 10 08:29:14 t4c: what rom have you tried on the magic? Jul 10 08:29:25 im using fatal1tys Hero rom for Rogers magic right now Jul 10 08:29:27 and it's quite quick Jul 10 08:29:50 only lags at first while all the widgets load their data from the network Jul 10 08:29:58 jpa--: I tested one on the g1 sucked a lot. Jul 10 08:30:05 like weather widgets, time, date for calendars, etc Jul 10 08:30:05 twitter, blah blah Jul 10 08:30:14 jpa--: But I don't like this crossports anyway Jul 10 08:30:21 t4c: i dont doubt that.. the g1 is slower than the magic Jul 10 08:30:34 in terms of hardware Jul 10 08:30:34 less ram Jul 10 08:30:35 err Jul 10 08:30:36 rom Jul 10 08:30:53 jpa--: oehm CPU and RAM are the same, ROM space does not really count Jul 10 08:31:21 what's the difference Jul 10 08:31:25 between the magic and the hero Jul 10 08:31:51 prodigy: how did your rooting go, anyway? Jul 10 08:31:51 t4c: sure it does.. think of ROM as in a harddrive.. if you have more free space on a harddrive after an OS install, the memory will access the operation system files faster than on a smaller, cluttered harddrive (or ROM) Jul 10 08:32:20 ? Jul 10 08:32:22 ? Jul 10 08:32:22 magic has 512mb rom Jul 10 08:32:26 jpa--: no not really. Jul 10 08:32:27 it's not space Jul 10 08:32:29 g1 only has 256mb Jul 10 08:32:37 it's the fragmentation Jul 10 08:32:38 haykuros spl makes this fitting enough Jul 10 08:32:41 and this nand Jul 10 08:32:52 so it's minimal, random access Jul 10 08:33:03 huh. Jul 10 08:33:15 sure it's better to access consecutive blocks but only because of the dma Jul 10 08:33:15 t4c: i've experienced both the HTC Dream and the HTC Magic... i had the dream for 3 weeks before i returned it.. now ive had the magic for a week... i can definitely say there is a slight but noticable difference in operation speed Jul 10 08:33:24 prior to flashing or rooting that is Jul 10 08:33:32 i only rooted/flashed my magic Jul 10 08:33:58 yip like people say there is a noticable difference between the standard dalvik-vm and the superbitchingfast ION Dalvik VM? Jul 10 08:34:08 On the end both VMs are completley the same... Jul 10 08:34:51 if there's a difference in releases, there's a difference in build - atleast slightly. Jul 10 08:34:59 may pertain to operating speed Jul 10 08:35:17 yes but this got nothing to do with hardware. Jul 10 08:35:31 on plus.. whatever RAM it would actualy take to operate the physical keyboard Jul 10 08:35:31 not a problem on the magic Jul 10 08:35:35 that sir, is a valid argument Jul 10 08:35:52 jpa--: VK takes more ram ^^ Jul 10 08:36:33 eh.. not in my experience Jul 10 08:36:44 10:28 t4c: stffn: hero is slow on dreams and magics. <- you mean the hero is slower than the dream&magic? Jul 10 08:36:47 i still stand by my own personal experience... Jul 10 08:36:50 which i experienced.. persoanlly Jul 10 08:37:07 which was experiencing a different in operating speed between magic vs dream Jul 10 08:37:20 stffn: no, that the new os/ui is slower on the older hardware Jul 10 08:37:21 not a huge difference mind you.. but slight Jul 10 08:37:23 also.. 3g reception on the dream was horrid compared to the magic Jul 10 08:38:39 slower on older hardware that it will be on the released hardware of course Jul 10 08:38:41 huge difference in specs Jul 10 08:38:48 well not huge but big enough Jul 10 08:39:00 can anyone help me with my hello world application? I am getting some errors and I can't seem to add the import lines specified in the tutorial. http://pastebin.com/m30f0f113 when i try to add these it just erases them. import android.os.Bundle; import android.widget.TextView; Jul 10 08:39:02 hero still works just fine on my magic Jul 10 08:39:13 fatal1tys HERO rom is a great rom Jul 10 08:39:35 Haraken: i kept getting that too, so i gave up and just kept playing with my phone Jul 10 08:40:13 :( Jul 10 08:40:20 thats not a good solution though :) Jul 10 08:40:34 no not really Jul 10 08:40:34 well I guess it is if I don't want to make that cool app I've been thinking of Jul 10 08:41:46 but the way i see it is if you feel totally lost and helpless while fumbling through faqs and tutorials on simple beginner developer stuff, and none of it even seems to sink in and you don't comprehend it.. it just goes over your head as your mindlessly follow instructions.. then it's pretty much safe to say that it's not for you Jul 10 08:42:04 which is why i haven't bothered since the 2nd time I opened eclipse lol Jul 10 08:42:46 i dont mind spending time reading stuff Jul 10 08:43:29 im too impatient for that.. i like to quickly get it done by instructions, and then retroactively analyze and figure out how it all worked Jul 10 08:43:37 more annoying for helpers but hey.. i get by Jul 10 08:44:01 if you can manage to sit through reading it all and learning it.. and if you retain the concepts and procedures... hey, keep doing it Jul 10 08:44:01 I guess asking my question at 2am isn't going to get many bites Jul 10 08:44:12 im just saying.. i smoke too much pot and have no hope when it comes to developing Jul 10 08:44:16 I'm also a bit tired. Jul 10 08:44:19 lol Jul 10 08:44:22 also since it's 4:45 am here :D Jul 10 08:44:22 that's definitely not me :) Jul 10 08:44:37 (why are all android users up at crack head hours) Jul 10 08:44:39 speaking of which.. i need sleep Jul 10 08:44:41 man its nearly morning jpa Jul 10 08:44:41 including myself! Jul 10 08:44:59 oh well i guess everyone is in different countries too Jul 10 08:45:06 facelessloser: i love in Montreal.. the sun is on its way up already Jul 10 08:45:23 Haraken: no you're right.. its because we're all crackheads :) Jul 10 08:45:30 i bet its a nice sight Jul 10 08:45:36 heh Jul 10 08:45:46 it is but id rather see my dreams Jul 10 08:45:46 crackheads unite Jul 10 08:45:49 so im off to bed :) Jul 10 08:45:51 gnite Jul 10 08:45:56 night folks Jul 10 08:46:08 jpa.night all Jul 10 08:46:11 Haraken: good luck.. keep at it Jul 10 08:46:15 I'm gonna whip out a video and hopefully fall asleep Jul 10 08:46:18 jpa--, thanks :) Jul 10 08:46:31 cheers Jul 10 08:47:10 * Haraken wonders why the android emulator has to do certain things as slow as the android Jul 10 08:47:27 ie, powering off shouldn't be taking this long Jul 10 08:47:33 oh Jul 10 08:47:40 I guess I just have to close it l Jul 10 08:47:42 xD Jul 10 08:48:36 aaah, you call it HERO Rom ... thought you may call it HTC Sense :) Jul 10 08:50:21 it's been hero before ther was here Jul 10 08:50:47 whats the best video recorder for g1 Jul 10 08:52:01 i use the one that comes with cynogenmod's rom works good for me :0 Jul 10 08:52:13 do you know what its called Jul 10 08:53:21 lookin Jul 10 08:54:10 Does anyone who uses the MP3 player on their Android have a problem with juddering playback Jul 10 08:54:39 yay, typhoon warning! Jul 10 08:54:39 not me Jul 10 08:54:59 just says camcorder Jul 10 08:55:03 generally pretty stable for me, unless I'm really pushing something else - you're not listening over a2dp are you? Jul 10 08:55:47 <_Auron_> I don't have issues unless someone calls me, then it hitches for a second, continues playing, then pauses and I get the call. fun way to find out I'm getting a call before it starts ringing though :P Jul 10 08:57:33 <_Auron_> I consider that a feature :D Jul 10 08:57:40 <_Auron_> anyhow bedtime, night Jul 10 08:58:11 it's amazing how typhoons know it's the weekend Jul 10 08:58:16 g'night :) Jul 10 09:00:37 its morning here 10:00am Jul 10 09:01:07 5pm here Jul 10 09:17:17 ced117:17 Jul 10 09:17:22 ced117:17 Jul 10 09:21:34 berth: you what? Jul 10 09:25:44 something went wrong when writing my time Jul 10 09:25:56 did'nt dare to do it once more. ;-) Jul 10 09:26:20 but in another bitchx screen it didnt put ced in front of it Jul 10 09:37:34 hmm, thanks for the info on MP3 playback guysd Jul 10 09:37:41 wonder if there is something up with the magic Jul 10 10:11:37 jpa--: Can you send a link of the hero rom you use? I want to try one myself. Jul 10 10:33:02 balachmar: Does the hero rom work for the Dream? Jul 10 10:33:48 Hi all. What's the best skype client to use for the magic? Jul 10 10:35:42 ComradeHaz: the best is never skype. Jul 10 10:38:03 hehe Jul 10 10:42:41 grrrr Jul 10 10:42:51 phone WON'T show in the adb devices list Jul 10 10:50:19 well, lamusic, do you care to elaborate Jul 10 10:51:29 lol lamusic Jul 10 10:57:56 ComradeHaz: read the reverse engineering what about skype, and other study what about this HELL soft. Jul 10 10:58:21 it's a french Doc : http://actes.sstic.org/SSTIC06/Castle_in_the_Skype/SSTIC06-article-Desclaux-Castle_in_the_Skype.pdf Jul 10 10:58:35 but i thinks the same in english exist ;) Jul 10 10:58:51 for time, i go eat Jul 10 10:59:45 bon appetit Jul 10 11:00:07 * Leeds is practicing his French :) Jul 10 11:06:52 more info than in "needle in the sky(pe)? Jul 10 11:08:30 ROFL "Debugger detected! fuck-off" Jul 10 11:17:14 hi hi hi Jul 10 11:17:38 ho ho ho Jul 10 11:19:02 fucking pre Jul 10 11:19:16 if you're fucking it, you're doing it wrong Jul 10 11:19:18 i keep dismissing my calendar alerts and it keeps sending them to me Jul 10 11:19:20 i snoozed once Jul 10 11:19:49 maybe it's very important? ;) Jul 10 11:20:20 do you need to acknowledge them rather than dismiss them? Jul 10 11:22:34 theres two buttons, dismiss and snooze Jul 10 11:22:43 and i can shove them away Jul 10 11:23:01 ooo maybe this is why, i never logged back into my calendar account after reformatting and restoring Jul 10 11:40:17 drubin: I don't know I kinda hope so! Jul 10 11:40:29 cool Jul 10 11:41:08 i lost the source to v 1.1.5 of dg money Jul 10 11:41:09 :( Jul 10 11:46:40 you didn't back it up? Jul 10 11:48:08 i forgot to check changes to that version in apparenlty :( Jul 10 11:49:04 i have a cvs repo Jul 10 11:49:10 it only appears to go up to 1.1.4 Jul 10 11:49:20 lost much? Jul 10 11:49:33 but i think perhaps i forgot to change the version number, and then after changing it, i just didnt check in the file with the version number change Jul 10 11:49:52 cause as far as i can remember, i only made 1 change and its there Jul 10 12:01:16 I have popcorn stuck in my teef. Jul 10 12:01:18 UGH. Jul 10 12:04:38 EugeneK: Thanks for sharing :) Jul 10 12:04:51 It's pretty slow in hurrr..... Jul 10 12:04:52 EugeneK: Or wait, You didn't share did you! Jul 10 12:04:58 I still have some left Jul 10 12:05:01 * EugeneK shakes the bag Jul 10 12:05:07 I can at least follow when it is slow Jul 10 12:05:20 often I am at work an this place is buzzing and can't follow any thing Jul 10 12:15:46 oh God, there's a G2 Jul 10 12:16:07 ? Jul 10 12:16:11 apparently T-Mobile UK are going to launch the Hero as the G2 Touch Jul 10 12:16:24 oh dear Jul 10 12:16:33 why the fuck can't they all just keep one name Jul 10 12:16:35 see~!!!!! Jul 10 12:16:40 that's the *Hero* not the *Magic* which is what stupid people have been calling the G2 Jul 10 12:16:47 this is why we dont call my touch, saphire, etc a g2 Jul 10 12:17:06 * blau-mikeDG waits for people to start bricking phones left and right Jul 10 12:17:11 I think we should stick to the HTC names Jul 10 12:17:15 but I have a g2 and installed the g2 spl Jul 10 12:17:26 IanPM: i concur Jul 10 12:17:31 saphire, dream, hero Jul 10 12:17:41 The G1 was the Dream, right? Jul 10 12:17:46 yes Jul 10 12:17:49 IanPM: yes, on t-mobile Jul 10 12:17:59 right Jul 10 12:18:01 it's also the Dream elsewhere and the ADP1 in a few cases Jul 10 12:18:11 yeah, let's leave the names as HTC Jul 10 12:18:27 Android Developer Platform? Jul 10 12:18:31 G1 touch == dream, mytouch 3g == magic, g2 touch == hero? Jul 10 12:18:35 android developer phone Jul 10 12:18:40 w00t Jul 10 12:18:42 :D Jul 10 12:19:51 sipa1024: no Jul 10 12:20:00 sipa1024: no, there was no "G1 touch" Jul 10 12:20:03 right Jul 10 12:20:06 and there is no g2 Jul 10 12:20:07 of course, it has a keyboard Jul 10 12:20:09 just G1 Jul 10 12:20:19 t4c: but there is a "G2 Touch" :( Jul 10 12:20:29 wtf? Jul 10 12:20:41 that's what T-Mobile UK are calling the Hero Jul 10 12:20:48 hrhr Jul 10 12:20:55 ok fine, thanks for info Jul 10 12:21:07 http://twitter.com/TMobileOfficial/statuses/2566382164 :( :( :( Jul 10 12:21:31 "T-Mobile G1" == "HTC Dream", "T-Mobile MyTouch 3G" == "HTC Magic", "T-Mobile G2 Touch" == "HTC Hero" ? Jul 10 12:21:51 The Hero is the HTC name right? Jul 10 12:21:54 yes Jul 10 12:21:55 yes Jul 10 12:22:15 in the UK, "G1" = Dream, "G1 Touch" = Magic, and "G2 Touch" = Hero Jul 10 12:22:34 We don't have the G1 Touch here Jul 10 12:22:36 on t-mobile, of course... other networks will be selling the Magic and Hero, under different names Jul 10 12:22:37 in the UK Jul 10 12:22:44 it's Vodafone exclusive Jul 10 12:22:52 so confusing... Jul 10 12:22:58 and it's called Magic Jul 10 12:23:00 :) Jul 10 12:23:10 ah, sorry, getting me even more confused! Jul 10 12:23:17 LOL Jul 10 12:23:20 All this product differentiation for the same hardware is assinine Jul 10 12:23:28 hardly a surprise, it's more complicated than maths Jul 10 12:23:45 the problem is that they genuinely aren't always compatible Jul 10 12:23:50 as I understand it, there are some minor hardware changes in the Magic Jul 10 12:24:00 the HTC version seems to have more RAM Jul 10 12:24:05 e.g. two models of Magic with differen - yes, that :) Jul 10 12:24:17 maybe someone can make some nice table, each row a hardware device, each column a region/provider, each cell the local name + hardware modifications :) Jul 10 12:24:22 no wonder I have stuttering MP3 playback Jul 10 12:25:04 and it's not even as clear as Vodafone/other - because I have a Magic which I bought from Vodafone HK, which is running custom Vodafone software - but which has the extra RAM and no external Vodafone branding Jul 10 12:25:08 They should go with more directly descriptive naames. T-Mobile UK Dream/Magic/Touch ATT US Dream/Magic/Touch..etc Jul 10 12:26:07 But no, they have to strip the manufacturer branding Jul 10 12:26:23 I hate Vodafone with a passion Jul 10 12:26:44 I hate all the cellcos at this point. Just some more than others Jul 10 12:26:51 lol Jul 10 12:27:05 "All cellcos are equal, but some are more equal than others" ? Jul 10 12:27:16 Vodafone, imho, are the pits Jul 10 12:27:19 in every way Jul 10 12:27:20 languish: why do they have to strip the branding? Jul 10 12:27:30 Some have proven in my region to have worse billing problems than others Jul 10 12:28:00 sipa1024, they don't *have* to. They think they have to for marketing/advertising purposes Jul 10 12:28:44 http://stuff.tv/news/T-Mobile-launches-HTC-Hero-as-G1-Touch/12635/ -> this says that g1 touch == hero, not magic Jul 10 12:28:49 is the site wrong? Jul 10 12:31:20 they changed their minds Jul 10 12:31:47 just to really *fuck* things up Jul 10 12:33:11 fuck me, it's confusing Jul 10 12:33:29 well. quitting smoking has me about to throw u pnow Jul 10 12:33:32 it makes sense for T-Mobile Jul 10 12:33:40 and my lungs hurt Jul 10 12:33:47 keeps the name consistent for their Android range Jul 10 12:35:13 Macer, good.. get angry over what smoking was doing to you that you're going through this shit now to quit. Get angry at big tobacco knowingly advertising a harmful product to you and everyone around you Jul 10 12:35:15 :D Jul 10 12:39:14 languish: haha Jul 10 12:39:24 you remind me of the southpark where they show big tobacco Jul 10 12:39:34 and everybody is singing and dancing while making cigarettes Jul 10 12:40:01 and the anti-tobacco group is ran by some fat sloth of a man who keeps eating cheeseburgers and greese talking about how cigarettes kill Jul 10 12:40:21 hi - i'm new to android since today (samsung galaxy). where do i save my mp3 files? i saved the files in folder mp3 - i tried in root directory and in the (hidden) "sd" folder - but the android music player doesnt show any musicfile? Jul 10 12:41:42 hmm, odd Jul 10 12:41:49 I can put mine anywhere and it finds them Jul 10 12:42:07 mh... Jul 10 12:43:42 is the internal memory only for installing apps? i mean: searches the player only on additional sd card? Jul 10 12:43:56 (sry 4 my english) Jul 10 12:44:03 not tried internal memory, not enough of it Jul 10 12:44:07 I use SD Jul 10 12:44:34 mh galaxy has 8gig internal memory...didn't want to buy an additional sd card Jul 10 12:45:10 any suggestion for an alternative player? Jul 10 12:45:18 ahhhh Jul 10 12:45:19 I see Jul 10 12:45:32 not sure about third party app Jul 10 12:54:13 * apic lost the D-Prim game. Jul 10 12:55:20 Try a real MP3 player. Jul 10 12:56:53 oh wow Jul 10 12:57:04 guess they are starting eureka back up :) i like that show Jul 10 12:59:03 reboot did fix it - now musics there :) Jul 10 13:19:55 anyone know of other android channels on other servers? #android-dev is always dead Jul 10 13:41:02 how can I get the all checked items when I click an ok button if I create multiple choiced items with Alert.DialogBuilder? Jul 10 13:41:12 does anyone know it? Jul 10 13:54:02 floxx: if you have a galaxy and adb set up.. what is the totalmemory listed when you type 'adb shell cat /proc/meminfo' Jul 10 13:54:49 I'm curious to know how much is actually available to the OS Jul 10 13:57:56 Radix_: : umm did not set up adb yet...but look just here, its the galaxy, too: http://bildupload.sro.at/p/318570.html Jul 10 13:58:39 Ahh.. cool.. so it's much the same as the Dream then Jul 10 13:58:52 hello everyone Jul 10 13:59:19 I read stuff about it having only 128MB of memory and was curious.. as the Dream/voda magics have 192MB but only 98MB is free for the OS ;) Jul 10 14:01:20 I'm sorry I don't know anyone here but I need a little clarification on the way layouts function if anyone would be kind enough to help please message me thanks in advance this will only take a few minutes Jul 10 14:01:24 well yes :) its pretty fast...faster than g1 it seems. question: drivers from this guide http://modmygphone.com/wiki/index.php/Setting_up_ADB dont work...are there other drivers needed for the galaxy? Jul 10 14:01:56 nah.. adb drivers should be the same all around - use the ones in the android sdk Jul 10 14:27:37 I am trying to get the Smack XMPP Android client to connect to jabber.org; anyone here have any experience with XMPP? Jul 10 14:30:12 hey what is googles OS called? Jul 10 14:30:21 im about to give a presenatation Jul 10 14:30:22 I assume "Chrome" Jul 10 14:30:26 "chrome" Jul 10 14:30:30 lol thats the browser isnt it? Jul 10 14:30:38 chrome os vs chrome browser AFAIK Jul 10 14:30:43 indeed Jul 10 14:30:46 what else do you need :-) Jul 10 14:30:46 d0netsFN: it's a marketing strategy Jul 10 14:30:59 d0netsFN: they confuse the OS with the browser to promote the cloud Jul 10 14:31:15 "the cloud" Jul 10 14:31:19 yeah Jul 10 14:31:32 yea i explian the cloud Jul 10 14:31:35 the browser is called Jul 10 14:31:38 'Chrome' Jul 10 14:31:41 the OS is called Jul 10 14:31:45 'Chrome OS' Jul 10 14:31:47 . Jul 10 14:32:05 I know what "the cloud" is... not well defined is it's major attribute Jul 10 14:32:14 That doesnt contradict my statement Jul 10 14:32:19 it's something distributed and cool! Jul 10 14:32:33 thats the definition, right? Jul 10 14:32:37 Google know they have to enter in people's mind that the browser is the OS Jul 10 14:32:52 No, it doesn't contradict your statement :) Jul 10 14:33:02 :) Jul 10 14:33:09 I'm kind of aggressive when it comes to "the cloud" Jul 10 14:33:45 I think calling their OS the Chrome OS is a smart move Jul 10 14:33:54 in term of psychological impact Jul 10 14:33:59 I've been working on a p2p layer for the past 2+ years, and every so often people tell me that something should be pushed into "the cloud" as if that was a) possible for everything, and b) would naturally bring about massive improvements. Jul 10 14:34:13 push them out of a plane Jul 10 14:34:15 into a cloud Jul 10 14:34:25 So forgive me if "the cloud" sets my teeth on edge :) Jul 10 14:34:29 dude Jul 10 14:34:34 i wish everything wason the fucking cloud Jul 10 14:34:40 unwesen: c) easy Jul 10 14:34:40 yeah Jul 10 14:34:51 hah, c), well... that's something else entirely Jul 10 14:36:19 I would argue that while the 'cloud computing' has been overhyped, it's never the less a huge beast Jul 10 14:37:22 a dangerous one also :) Jul 10 14:37:37 it's a huge beast, and pretty much untamed Jul 10 14:37:43 makes it very, very interesting :) Jul 10 14:38:02 but also hard to understand Jul 10 14:38:30 It will take a while to do it right Jul 10 14:38:44 Even though I feel it has been accelerating Jul 10 14:38:55 well Jul 10 14:39:00 And there are many ways to do it wrong Jul 10 14:41:25 Well, people have talked about distributed computing in one form or another for decades. "The cloud" is just the latest label to attach to it. Jul 10 14:42:24 and distributed systems have been successfully used for decades too - for *some* applications Jul 10 14:42:30 * sipa1024 thinks about DNS Jul 10 14:45:04 Yup. The key to the success seems to have been that they were tailor-made solutions for each individual problem. People might want to take a lesson from that :) Jul 10 15:25:02 was just reading that bit about chrome: anyone else find it a bit odd that on the one hand google are attacking MS using anti competition laws for shipping IE with windows, but then on the other hand they're releasing an OS that basically is a browser? Jul 10 15:25:45 and im also sorto wondering whether its all any different to something like steam? just basically content delivery Jul 10 15:28:05 yeah, it's... entirely different from steam Jul 10 15:29:59 I think it's more like bundling an OS with the browser :) Jul 10 15:31:10 Well, it's bundling something that's easier to control for them than any random OS as a "distribution platform" for their web apps. I don't think it's a coincidence that Goolge Apps went out of beta around the same time. Jul 10 15:31:59 the steam anaology is a bit out there, i think i was drunk when i came up with it :) Jul 10 15:32:28 wow. you must have an over-active liver then :) Jul 10 15:32:33 lol Jul 10 15:32:54 quickest sobering up I've ever witnessed Jul 10 15:33:10 or getting a blood transfusion as we speak :) Jul 10 15:33:11 mophead - you can use a different browser in Android rather easily Jul 10 15:33:18 Google is just shipping their Chrome-based one by default Jul 10 15:33:30 It's not even overly branded as GOOGLE CHROME BROWSER. Just "Browser" Jul 10 15:33:48 * JesusFreke scratches his head Jul 10 15:33:56 I thought we were talking about chrome os Jul 10 15:33:57 EugeneK: I was off topic sorry man, I was talking about google's Chrome OS, not android Jul 10 15:34:09 EugeneK: is the stock android browser related to chrome (beyond the common webkit dependency)? Jul 10 15:34:12 frekes on the level ^^ Jul 10 15:34:16 I don't think chrome has anything to do with android's browser Jul 10 15:34:17 Not really. Jul 10 15:34:41 i would expect them to have quite somewhat in common Jul 10 15:34:47 * JesusFreke puts on his nail resistent armor Jul 10 15:34:57 resistant* Jul 10 15:35:54 webkit Jul 10 15:36:34 does the android browser also use the same javascript engine as chrome? Jul 10 15:38:08 squirrelfish Jul 10 15:38:41 heh, its like android turets - you just randomly shout component names at people Jul 10 15:41:26 tourrettes Jul 10 15:41:50 tourettes! Jul 10 15:45:22 EugeneK: Google is just shipping their Chrome-based one by default << Android's browser is NOT based on Chrome Jul 10 15:46:09 Same webkit, IIRC. Jul 10 15:46:37 no Jul 10 15:46:40 Which is close enough for a guy who uses HTC Dream, T-Mobile G1, and ADP1 interchangably. Jul 10 15:46:46 it's webkit but it's not the same codebad Jul 10 15:46:48 codebase Jul 10 15:47:11 * EugeneK shrugs Jul 10 15:47:19 * EugeneK goes back to screaming at Dell Technical Support Jul 10 15:52:30 so what ROM(s) would you guys recommend at this point? (on rogers magic, spl 1.33.2005) Jul 10 15:54:37 JF 1.5 Jul 10 15:54:40 1.51* Jul 10 15:55:25 what does JF stand for? Jul 10 15:55:29 JesusFreke Jul 10 15:55:40 Which a quick google woudla told ya :-p Jul 10 15:55:52 i did google... Jul 10 15:56:11 First result for "jf 1.51" is JesusFreke's blog. Jul 10 15:56:15 right, if i had put "android" after my query i would have known :) Jul 10 15:56:16 jf.andblogs.net Jul 10 15:56:40 is that like Jul 10 15:56:42 THE rom right now? Jul 10 15:56:56 It's the good, stable one Jul 10 15:57:03 haha Jul 10 15:57:05 There are some funky Hero builds, but JF1.51 just WORKS. Jul 10 15:57:12 it's always been *the* ROM Jul 10 15:57:15 JF is a hero rom? Jul 10 15:57:17 everyone else is a wanna-be :) Jul 10 15:57:18 no Jul 10 15:57:27 Negative. JesusFreke is our hero, but it's not a Hero build Jul 10 15:57:34 Speaking of the Freke.... Jul 10 15:57:37 ahh i see gotcha haha Jul 10 15:57:42 * EugeneK grabs the duct tape and the 2x4 Jul 10 15:57:45 im using the fatal1ty hero rom right now Jul 10 15:57:46 its pretty good Jul 10 15:58:05 Not only has my hammer and staplegun disappeared, my cross collection is gone too Jul 10 15:58:08 no tethering still tho (but apparently the log says something about iptables... ie: wrong kernel version to support tethering?) Jul 10 15:58:15 * EugeneK tapes the Freke up Jul 10 16:00:08 Jf 1.51 supports tethering fine Jul 10 16:02:19 vol_: : doh, I knew that wasnt spelt right lol :) Jul 10 16:02:30 laters y'all Jul 10 16:04:48 \o Jul 10 16:05:20 where's our granny level user friendly nandroid backup.. wipe.. and restore url mates please.. thanks.. Jul 10 16:05:31 *how to url.. Jul 10 16:07:06 tech9iner http://android-dls.com/wiki Jul 10 16:07:16 languish: thanks muchly.. ;]] Jul 10 16:07:30 np Jul 10 16:08:12 Used to be when I got a Gmail notification for a new email, I would pull down the notifications and tap the email to go directly to it. Now, on cupcake, it just goes to the inbox. One extra tap. What's up? Jul 10 16:08:50 that way you see all the new messages, in case you didn't notice or accidentally cleared a notification for a different email Jul 10 16:08:53 my guess :) Jul 10 16:09:09 meh..wish I could change that Jul 10 16:09:24 quite a few things I wish I could change back :) Jul 10 16:09:39 the price of progress Jul 10 16:10:59 why would you want to backup wip and restore? :) Jul 10 16:11:02 Are there other applications like OpenIntents Safe that act as a keyring? Jul 10 16:11:58 as a keyring? Jul 10 16:12:58 DaraIRC app on the market, interesting Jul 10 16:14:16 what's the big deal with hero anyway? Jul 10 16:14:29 no one knows Jul 10 16:14:32 Android IRC = hands down the best irc app Jul 10 16:14:33 mostly htc sense, i thing? Jul 10 16:14:50 kRutOn: hard to help you when you don't reply, huh Jul 10 16:14:50 sipa1024: what exactly is the htc sense part? Jul 10 16:14:50 just the htc widgets? Jul 10 16:14:56 you mean like http://www.cyrket.com/package/com.froogloid.kring.google.zxing.client.android Jul 10 16:15:07 jpa--: i could tell you if i had seen it myself :) Jul 10 16:15:19 ahho k :) Jul 10 16:15:19 im not sure the rom im using has htc sense Jul 10 16:15:33 though i have seen some videos showing it Jul 10 16:15:38 sense is the ui, i think rosie.apk Jul 10 16:15:44 + widgets Jul 10 16:15:53 ahh ok Jul 10 16:15:56 think i have that Jul 10 16:16:07 if you see some round wheel at the bottom of your screen, you have htc sense Jul 10 16:16:07 only difference i noticed between the rom im using, and vids of seen of actual HTC Hero Jul 10 16:16:15 is simply that you can't just grab the scroller and scroll between windows Jul 10 16:16:35 window scroller? news to me Jul 10 16:16:47 not window but like Jul 10 16:16:49 for the home screens Jul 10 16:16:54 instead of swiping between them Jul 10 16:17:05 ive seen a rom where u can just grab the little scroller thing Jul 10 16:17:08 and scroll all the way back & forth in one swipe Jul 10 16:17:16 sorta how other scroll options are for long lists Jul 10 16:17:17 ah... Jul 10 16:17:20 you can swipe,.. or grab the scroller Jul 10 16:17:23 yeah Jul 10 16:17:38 that feature doesnt seem to be on the hero rom im using Jul 10 16:17:48 however i do like the multi-touch capability now Jul 10 16:17:57 pinch zooming is sleak on this Jul 10 16:18:44 jpa--: I can grab the scroller on things like contacts Jul 10 16:18:51 well.. 'people' rather Jul 10 16:19:01 yeah it works in other apps Jul 10 16:19:01 just not homescreen Jul 10 16:19:25 Radix_: you're on the Fatal1ty hero rom, right? Jul 10 16:19:25 or no Jul 10 16:19:31 yeah Jul 10 16:19:58 how is the hero rom Radix_ Jul 10 16:20:14 i think it's alright Jul 10 16:20:24 if you don't use the clock widgets it's great Jul 10 16:20:44 you find? Jul 10 16:20:46 clock widgets are just slow to refresh Jul 10 16:20:55 im using the clock widget it came with that hsows the weather as well Jul 10 16:20:55 and its fine Jul 10 16:21:05 they do that wind forward from midnight all the time Jul 10 16:21:28 oh weird Jul 10 16:21:28 i dont have that problem Jul 10 16:21:37 why can't you access android market in the android emulator? Jul 10 16:21:40 however, ive minimized use of a lot of other widgets Jul 10 16:21:41 not using many at the moment Jul 10 16:21:49 sipa1024: isn't that obvious? Jul 10 16:22:01 it's just for development.. it's an "emulator" Jul 10 16:22:11 ie: to emulate.. not replicate Jul 10 16:22:16 hmmhm Jul 10 16:22:36 seems reasonable Jul 10 16:22:52 I use the small weather one and the small calendar one on my homescreen, and all of the settings ones on another page, and that's it Jul 10 16:23:12 have you tried tethering at all by chance? Jul 10 16:23:29 that's my only beef with this phone so far Jul 10 16:23:31 no, seen it there, not tried it Jul 10 16:23:40 it's built into this rom Jul 10 16:23:47 i mean.. with Iphone, you just plug it in to USB, turn on tethering and you're set to go Jul 10 16:23:47 weird how tethering is so hard for an open-source phone Jul 10 16:23:59 when i try, i get an error about iptables or something Jul 10 16:24:01 tells me i should update my kernel Jul 10 16:24:04 buuuut... that's scary Jul 10 16:25:36 mobile network sharing is built in too Jul 10 16:25:45 'just plug in the usb cable' Jul 10 16:26:20 holy god has anyone seen this? http://www.cnet.com/8301-19736_1-10282409-251.html Jul 10 16:26:34 8MP camera, 1Ghz proc?! Sweet interface? Jul 10 16:26:37 Umm.. I just ran mine then jpa Jul 10 16:26:42 the wireless tether Jul 10 16:26:55 it asked for root - I said always allow Jul 10 16:27:00 and then it said start tethering and it did Jul 10 16:27:08 yeah that much works for me too Jul 10 16:27:10 hasn't complained at all Jul 10 16:27:17 i can turn it on, get past the root stuff Jul 10 16:27:21 and my computer even says it connects Jul 10 16:27:25 but never retrieves an IP Jul 10 16:27:35 hey can someone tell me how the tabs work Jul 10 16:27:38 I did the http://developer.android.com/guide/tutorials/views/hello-tabwidget.html Jul 10 16:27:40 although my wireless networks says it's connected with excellent signal and stuff Jul 10 16:27:51 and got it working ok but I want to add the googlemaps stuff to one of the tabs Jul 10 16:27:57 and not a textview Jul 10 16:28:08 jasongornall_: you're probably better off asking in #android-dev Jul 10 16:30:23 jpa--: Ahh I see.. it says that about iptables in the log Jul 10 16:30:43 and something about updating your kernel? Jul 10 16:30:46 work in progress perhaps Jul 10 16:31:04 ya i guess Jul 10 16:31:08 well.. just means it can't find the right kernel modules to insmod Jul 10 16:31:42 iptables is present Jul 10 16:31:50 I just checked in the shell Jul 10 16:32:02 sounds like a couple of the kernel modules isn't loaded tho Jul 10 16:32:26 hrmm Jul 10 16:32:32 i have no idea what any of that means heh Jul 10 16:32:35 or how to fix Jul 10 16:32:53 *shrug* ill just keep throwing my sim card into an iphone when i need to use the computer Jul 10 16:32:55 until i get real internet heh Jul 10 16:33:47 lol.. iphone only got tethering in the last update.. and even then it doesn't work everywhere Jul 10 16:34:05 wait a bit.. tethering will be sorted Jul 10 16:34:15 I noticed hotweiss used another tethering app in his rom Jul 10 16:34:49 "AziLink to provide USB tethering capabilities" Jul 10 16:35:19 yeah that seems complicated Jul 10 16:35:24 have to forward a bunch of ports through dos & stuff Jul 10 16:35:58 hello Jul 10 16:36:06 tried the inbuilt hero one? Jul 10 16:36:22 eh? Jul 10 16:36:57 settings->wireless controls->mobile network sharing Jul 10 16:38:07 is a "Speech to Text" (with voice recognition) feature planned in Android ? That would be awesome for "typing" text messages Jul 10 16:38:47 xanax`, donut Jul 10 16:38:55 I think there is a library in the market for it Jul 10 16:39:03 well I'm off to bed.. night all Jul 10 16:39:10 tts Jul 10 16:39:16 gn-night Jul 10 16:39:18 goes the other way Jul 10 16:39:46 KNY : in donut, this will be there ? wow Jul 10 16:39:58 KNY: donut is for text to speech Jul 10 16:40:04 isn't speech to text already in cupcake? Jul 10 16:40:19 <_Auron|G1_> what to do next with my game.. Jul 10 16:40:42 http://d.android.com/reference/android/speech/RecognizerIntent.html Jul 10 16:40:59 xanax`: here you go http://d.android.com/reference/android/speech/RecognizerIntent.html Jul 10 16:41:08 thanks Jul 10 16:41:43 to be used with startActivityForResult() Jul 10 16:45:45 do any of you do dev on the android? Jul 10 16:46:25 jasongornall_, #android-dev Jul 10 16:46:47 romainguy_, ahh, sorry, I had it backwards Jul 10 17:01:28 is it possible to use the calendar app without a gmail account? Jul 10 17:03:48 wtf mates?.. wtf did 'Pictures' icon go in cupcake?.. lol.. 1st time i needed to open camera's pix and share w a tech and no longer see icon for pictures? Jul 10 17:12:19 tech9iner, Gallery Jul 10 17:14:45 anyone bought an adp recently? Jul 10 17:14:59 or knows exactly what the deal is for someone who wants one on the isle of man? Jul 10 17:15:11 it would appear i have to sign up and pay $25 before i even find out how much the shipping is etc Jul 10 17:16:23 snadge: win Jul 10 17:17:00 i have a friend (work collegue) who is wanting to replace a dieing phone.. and i reckon an adp is the way to go Jul 10 17:17:18 but if its going to be a pain in the ass, he probably won't want to go through with it Jul 10 17:17:49 should be able to just give them your name, credit card details.. done Jul 10 17:18:23 and it still comes with 1.0.. wtf? Jul 10 17:30:16 ok i've just paid the $25 USD to become a google android developer Jul 10 17:30:37 how much is it to dev for the iphone i wonder Jul 10 17:30:49 Caleb: $100 Jul 10 17:30:53 ahh Jul 10 17:30:59 at least android is cheaper lol Jul 10 17:32:05 what's the best stable branch to use for playing with the dev phone? cupcake? (there's no android-1.5 branch for platform/hardware/msm7k) Jul 10 17:32:46 android-1.5r2 Jul 10 17:33:06 you need to use repo to pull in platform/hardware/msm7k Jul 10 17:34:09 I'm working on cleaning that up. Too much manual maintenance. I'm lazy, I want it to be automatic. Jul 10 17:34:10 zinx: i only see heads for cupcake/donut/master at http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/hardware/msm7k.git;a=summary. so will repo just use master for that? Jul 10 17:34:43 prana: i have no idea what it uses :/ Jul 10 17:35:23 you may want to modify your local_manifest to say revision="master" for msm7k and dream. Jul 10 17:35:40 (or actually revision="cupcake") Jul 10 17:35:43 oh? Jul 10 17:36:33 hi Jul 10 17:39:51 jesus christ Jul 10 17:40:14 $325.42 british pounds to buy an adp1 Jul 10 17:40:23 err ignore dollar sign Jul 10 17:40:27 jbq: isn't master newer than cupcake? Jul 10 17:40:49 prana: yes Jul 10 17:40:53 master is a mess - it's got half of donut merged into it. Jul 10 17:41:01 morning. Jul 10 17:41:02 yes, master barely functions currently Jul 10 17:41:03 ah, i see. Jul 10 17:41:10 well, that's good to know. Jul 10 17:41:13 jbq: w0rd on doing open sores stuff officially. (: Jul 10 17:41:20 is there a web page somewhere that documents this sort of thing? Jul 10 17:41:26 grey-: I'm now official :) Jul 10 17:41:29 everything seems to refer to checking out master. Jul 10 17:41:38 jbq: so I saw you twitter; exciting stuff! Jul 10 17:41:43 prana: it's probably from before cupcake/android-1.5r2 Jul 10 17:41:55 ugh .. twitter Jul 10 17:42:11 All the pages about building for dream are from early december, when master was the only one. Jul 10 17:42:15 KNY: gallery?.. hmm.. mk then thanks.. Jul 10 17:42:25 (there wasn't even a cupcake out yet at that point) Jul 10 17:43:11 right. Jul 10 17:43:15 after spending the 25 usd and finding out it will cost 325 pounds all up.. my collegue says "im not paying 325 pounds for something im probably going to drop or smash anyway" Jul 10 17:43:22 he rides dirtbikes Jul 10 17:44:07 I do too ;p Jul 10 17:44:18 i told him he could get a smash guard for it Jul 10 17:44:19 but I got myself an g1 anyways ;P Jul 10 17:44:25 like one of those clear plastic jobs Jul 10 17:44:26 yeah Jul 10 17:44:56 i took mine off simply because it looks retarded Jul 10 17:46:19 also, beyond random mail from sop, are there any docs on creating a repo mirror/private gerrit with push to upstream (a la review.omapzoom.org)? Jul 10 17:47:21 tech9iner, well, it's no longer just pictures now that we have videos... Jul 10 17:48:33 anyone familiar with rfc 2445 Jul 10 17:49:52 blau-mikeDG, I have a bone to pick with you about dgAlert Jul 10 17:50:12 its open source, make a patch Jul 10 17:50:15 hha Jul 10 17:50:23 touche Jul 10 17:50:33 whats wrong with Jul 10 17:50:47 it kept alerting me of a text that a) I had already acknowledged and b) already deleted (to try and get it to stop) Jul 10 17:50:59 lol Jul 10 17:51:10 every time i turn my phone on, it thinks i've got a missed call Jul 10 17:51:12 the same one Jul 10 17:51:33 that i repeatedly acknolwedge :P Jul 10 17:51:42 * blau-mikeDG cries trying to understand rfc 2445 Jul 10 17:53:51 webos.mikedg.com is your future! Jul 10 17:53:55 heh Jul 10 17:55:39 did you get an SDK? Jul 10 17:55:55 yes Jul 10 17:56:20 nice Jul 10 17:56:22 i really like it, except that theres no permissions system yet Jul 10 17:56:32 so you can do everything? or just nothing? Jul 10 17:56:37 so sooo much of it is locked out unless your app is named com.palm.something Jul 10 17:57:00 and the sdk agreement prohibits you from releasing anything outside of the market Jul 10 17:57:07 weird, but couldn't you just do that? Jul 10 17:57:10 and that's super lame Jul 10 17:57:32 36 hours of no cigarettes Jul 10 17:57:34 prohibits and prevents are two seperate concepts :P Jul 10 17:57:35 and i think its highly unlikely for a com.palm.app app to make it to the market :/ Jul 10 17:57:40 * Macer takes big breaths Jul 10 17:58:01 blau-mikeDG, do you have to be approved or something? Jul 10 17:58:31 com.palm is equiv of an android root app basically Jul 10 17:58:53 as of now all apps need to be approved Jul 10 17:58:53 yeah, but they enforce permissions based on package(?) name? Jul 10 17:58:57 and they provide some guidance Jul 10 17:59:01 kny, yup Jul 10 17:59:07 forget that nonsense Jul 10 17:59:24 like my shortcut app on my webpage Jul 10 17:59:32 that's comm.palm.mikedg.quickcut Jul 10 17:59:38 and works great Jul 10 17:59:41 boys, if you have a Htc Magic Jul 10 17:59:48 http://users.rhaamo.li/~luo/luo_Ion_2.6.27_10.07.2009_SIGNED.zip Jul 10 17:59:52 http://users.rhaamo.li/~luo/luo_Ion_2.6.29_10.07.2009_SIGNED.zip Jul 10 18:00:13 blau-mikeDG, that's so ridiculously stupid on their part Jul 10 18:00:18 Pure Ion, with optimisations, root, my kernel (up to date) iptables, cramfs Jul 10 18:00:27 busybox etc... Jul 10 18:00:53 kny, i think the plan is to implement a permissions system (which they sorta have with the GPS) but its not on the roadmap even yet Jul 10 18:01:01 i dont know what i did Jul 10 18:01:06 gps apps pop up a dialog asking if you want to allow Jul 10 18:01:08 that just completely blows my mind Jul 10 18:01:14 but seems the battery life on my phone as gotten tons better Jul 10 18:01:20 you can globally allow permanently though Jul 10 18:01:24 "get some apps out there and then try to cram permissions on top" Jul 10 18:01:28 sounds like Windows Jul 10 18:01:56 I can't believe they shipped it like that Jul 10 18:01:59 haha Jul 10 18:02:08 its not too big of a deal, almost everything is async Jul 10 18:02:20 so its not going to break stuff left and right if they stick permissions in Jul 10 18:02:31 yeah, but I mean really? you design a completely new OS and don't even *think* about security? Jul 10 18:02:56 they did, "if you arent palm, you cant do anything" Jul 10 18:03:11 well its better than android, "here's the world, lets take it back as people abuse it" Jul 10 18:03:35 (see GPS toggles) Jul 10 18:03:42 yeah, but their way of checking is isPalm(){ return app.packageName.matches("com.palm.*"); } Jul 10 18:04:12 blau-mikeDG, those weren't using documented APIs, as I understand it Jul 10 18:04:22 as such, what are they whining about? Jul 10 18:04:28 settings provider isnt an api really Jul 10 18:05:03 yeah, GPS stuff wasn't documented Jul 10 18:05:04 lamusic: wifi work? Jul 10 18:05:13 I really need a good ion build :\ Jul 10 18:05:22 vol_: yes Jul 10 18:05:29 if you want a really good Jul 10 18:05:34 [20:00] < lamusic> http://users.rhaamo.li/~luo/luo_Ion_2.6.27_10.07.2009_SIGNED.zip Jul 10 18:05:39 the .27 Jul 10 18:05:51 vol_: but i have only my APN auto config Jul 10 18:06:05 if you really want, it's possible for me include your APN Jul 10 18:06:25 .... my cat's breath smells like catfood Jul 10 18:06:28 I'm sure it'll be alright Jul 10 18:06:37 I can always just manually enter my apn, right? Jul 10 18:06:44 tes Jul 10 18:06:45 yes Jul 10 18:07:23 vol_: my kernel is used for much rom on XDA Jul 10 18:07:30 but for me, the roms in XDA is not good Jul 10 18:07:37 mine is original Ion build Jul 10 18:07:44 with only my build binary Jul 10 18:07:51 Bruno's out today Jul 10 18:07:53 !!!one Jul 10 18:07:55 and optimised for low battery Jul 10 18:08:11 interesting Jul 10 18:08:21 0 killa feature Jul 10 18:08:30 0 language add Jul 10 18:08:40 Synergy on the Pre is awesome, Android please borrow! Jul 10 18:08:40 only the keyboard of roger roms Jul 10 18:08:47 blau-mikeDG: Whats that? Jul 10 18:09:16 vol_: test, and if you see a bug, i fix it for you Jul 10 18:09:32 lamusic: heh Jul 10 18:09:35 I'll take a look Jul 10 18:09:35 its getting calendar, contact, etc.. info from multiple source and combining them into a single presentation, and allowing apps to create their own sets of calendars and contacts Jul 10 18:09:45 and it has a swell api on top of it all Jul 10 18:09:55 really I'd be happy with something like t4c's 0.6 but for ion Jul 10 18:09:57 vol_: my roms is not more used, because is only minimal Jul 10 18:10:28 and i have add anetshare too, for modem wifi <> 3G Jul 10 18:10:29 i tried to integrate my app with google calendar, it sucked big TIME, the calendar provider still isnt finished on android Jul 10 18:10:32 and full iptables support Jul 10 18:10:55 vol_: my base is this : http://www.htc.com/www/support/android/google-io-device.html Jul 10 18:11:11 and i modified the init too Jul 10 18:11:20 for perf and ressource gain Jul 10 18:11:46 for me, the time of battery, is x2 Jul 10 18:11:51 original rom sucks :x Jul 10 18:12:46 vol_: and with 2.6.29, the battery is more long, but ! only camera doesn't work for time Jul 10 18:12:55 i waiting the kernel devs :/ Jul 10 18:13:05 heh Jul 10 18:13:47 and in week end, i thinks build busybox 1.14 too Jul 10 18:13:54 with minimal vital support only Jul 10 18:14:46 vol_: if you test say to me :), i have a few testers, but not enough Jul 10 18:14:57 and i thinks you have a quality tester Jul 10 18:15:42 you want the full changelog ? Jul 10 18:16:18 i look an example JesusFreke roms :) Jul 10 18:16:41 sure Jul 10 18:16:43 because JesusFreke rox Jul 10 18:16:55 ok so Jul 10 18:17:44 vol_: busybox of JesusFreke 's roms, init (binary for vodafone roms, because it's the same on all roms, and the init binary in Ion block the mount of CRAMFS) Jul 10 18:17:58 optimised FS with noatime,nodiratime ... Jul 10 18:18:13 delete all the obsolète line in init or not used Jul 10 18:18:36 make a xbin with tcpdump, all busybox, iptables .. strace, scp, ssh Jul 10 18:18:45 xbin.cramfs ;) Jul 10 18:19:06 add spare part, sim toolkit, anetshare, bluex Jul 10 18:19:17 delete voice dialer, amazon mp3 Jul 10 18:19:36 add support for utility for ext2 (thans JesusFreke) Jul 10 18:19:38 Projected Bytes763.91GB Jul 10 18:19:40 lol Jul 10 18:19:55 i'm slippin Jul 10 18:19:55 support in kernel 2.6.27, ext2 cramfs, iptables Jul 10 18:20:12 delete in kernel .... DEBUG !! ext3 !! halibut ... Jul 10 18:20:17 it's worth noting that adding netfilter support reduces network speed Jul 10 18:20:27 add superuser.apk, keyboard of rogers roms Jul 10 18:20:33 voila Jul 10 18:20:42 vol_: i thinks is all Jul 10 18:21:12 you have a 32B sapphire ? Jul 10 18:21:35 apparently run on 32A and 32B, but i have a 32B Jul 10 18:21:43 mein amazon mp3 : ( Jul 10 18:21:51 i have a SPL engineering 1.3.2005 Jul 10 18:22:04 what's the deal with the rogers keyboard Jul 10 18:22:05 1.33.2005* Jul 10 18:22:13 also, I don't know what version of sapphire I have Jul 10 18:22:17 (and phone is at home so can't check) Jul 10 18:22:22 is better, pratice Jul 10 18:22:38 is the roger keyboard different from the HTC one? o_O Jul 10 18:22:41 you want amazon mp3 ? Jul 10 18:22:59 is the keyboard, not black, grey Jul 10 18:23:04 with big button Jul 10 18:23:19 Hi! Jul 10 18:23:32 vol_: run fastboot mode, for see the version when you have the phone :) Jul 10 18:24:20 ok, I'll check it when I get home Jul 10 18:24:20 Maybe I am late with this question, but HTC seems to be putting pinch into the Hero. I thought there was an Apple patent on that feature... Jul 10 18:24:42 Anybody have a comment on that? JesusFreke? :) Jul 10 18:24:46 arf the hero roms is a heum Jul 10 18:25:19 multitouch ? Jul 10 18:25:24 so Jul 10 18:25:32 htc give money to apple ? :) Jul 10 18:25:43 I thought that multitouch on the dream platform was foobarred, which is why it wasn't enabled. Jul 10 18:25:44 htc hacks' apple ? Jul 10 18:26:04 vol_: in the hero apparently, run with browser Jul 10 18:26:14 I am not sure multitouch per se is patented... but some use of it. Jul 10 18:26:16 not required the hack patch kernel Jul 10 18:27:14 my english is very bad huhu Jul 10 18:27:21 you understand me boys ? Jul 10 18:27:26 hihihi Jul 10 18:27:29 hello, everybody Jul 10 18:27:36 very sorry, but it's difficult for me Jul 10 18:27:41 lamusic: Yes we do :) Jul 10 18:27:58 ok :) Jul 10 18:28:11 What's your native language? Jul 10 18:28:25 french Jul 10 18:28:26 Hello mcz_br! Jul 10 18:28:34 So is mine :) Jul 10 18:28:47 haha Jul 10 18:28:49 i am looking for some help with V4L2 and Android Jul 10 18:29:08 vol_: what hour is, in your country ? Jul 10 18:29:22 2:30PM Jul 10 18:29:25 i am getting some problems with a USB webcam + Android + BeagleBoard Jul 10 18:29:30 oh ok Jul 10 18:29:39 the driver is there ... running nic Jul 10 18:29:40 e Jul 10 18:29:48 OS finds the camera ... creates the device video0 Jul 10 18:30:12 I have changed the libcameraservice ... so the camera application tries to connect to the cam Jul 10 18:30:12 vol_: 20:30 here héhé Jul 10 18:30:19 but i get a green screen :( Jul 10 18:30:22 you have at work i suppose Jul 10 18:30:28 and the error E/MediaPlayer( 713): Unable to to create media player Jul 10 18:30:28 E/CameraService( 713): Failed to load CameraService sounds. Jul 10 18:30:28 E/MediaPlayer( 713): Unable to to create media player Jul 10 18:30:28 E/MediaPlayer( 713): Unable to to create media playerE/V4L2Camera( 713): GrabPreviewFrame: VIDIOC_QBUF Failed Jul 10 18:30:48 pastie.org Jul 10 18:30:56 i am utilizing the patch created by Androidphan Jul 10 18:31:03 in the android-porting group Jul 10 18:31:12 i wonder if anyone had utilized it! Jul 10 18:31:51 MikHel: if you are french, see this ... Jul 10 18:31:57 http://forums.smartphonefrance.info/ Jul 10 18:32:10 http://wiki.smartphonefrance.info/Search.aspx?Query=htc%20magic&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1 Jul 10 18:32:20 MikHel: my pseudo here, is "luo" Jul 10 18:32:41 MikHel: i make a how to for build your android kernel : http://wiki.smartphonefrance.info/Compiler%20ton%20kernel%20Android%20pour%20HTC%20Magic.ashx Jul 10 18:33:00 and i thinks i make a doc, for build the roms Jul 10 18:33:34 MikHel: if you want test my roms here > http://forums.smartphonefrance.info/viewtopic.php?t=52458&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 Jul 10 18:34:14 lamusic: Quel téléphone as-tu? Jul 10 18:34:25 htc magic 32B (SFR) Jul 10 18:34:38 SPL 1.33.2005 Jul 10 18:34:53 * AakashPatel slightly speaks french >_< Jul 10 18:34:58 recovery htc with nandroid restore http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=530492 Jul 10 18:35:05 the google version Jul 10 18:35:28 and my Ion roms Jul 10 18:36:41 MikHel: and you ? Jul 10 18:37:08 * MikHel has a G1, thinking of getting the MyTouch. Jul 10 18:37:34 * MikHel thought the MyTouch would be a Hero+Tmo but seems to have more differences. Jul 10 18:37:51 like less ram + more lockdown? Jul 10 18:37:57 mytouch is a magic Jul 10 18:38:22 * MikHel 's most popular app is reaching 280,000 downloads :) Jul 10 18:38:23 is a 32B sapphire hardware Jul 10 18:38:37 ah you dev app ? Jul 10 18:38:45 yup. Jul 10 18:38:56 (le kernel pour G1, tu peux le faire avec mon tuto) Jul 10 18:39:08 juste que en plus de halibut tu pourras virer sapphire) Jul 10 18:39:19 what app ? Jul 10 18:39:26 open source app ? :) Jul 10 18:39:31 Bubble Burst Jul 10 18:40:11 i gots a htc magic ;o Jul 10 18:40:39 a game ok Jul 10 18:40:45 * zinx will stick with his HTC Dream Jul 10 18:40:49 ah yes i see this icon Jul 10 18:41:01 :) Jul 10 18:41:18 the french are active \o/ Jul 10 18:41:19 haha Jul 10 18:41:29 2 people in world ! Jul 10 18:41:43 3 with christophe Jul 10 18:51:23 I have never heard a call waiting tone when another call comes in since I've had my G1. Anyone else notice this? Jul 10 18:51:29 I stupidly vacuumed up my usb-to-miniusb cable before. Lucky it still works. Jul 10 18:52:35 awesome Jul 10 18:52:40 at least this netbook tethers :) Jul 10 18:52:45 * Macer goes back to his home network Jul 10 18:53:37 I heard a call waiting tone just a couple of days ago. I couldn't answer it though as I was on an important call. Jul 10 18:53:51 Ryushin, hmm. Jul 10 18:55:36 i get call waiting as well Jul 10 18:56:01 heyyy guise Jul 10 18:56:07 hey Jul 10 18:56:50 Hm...I needa call HTC again today Jul 10 18:58:01 see if you get the same guy Jul 10 19:00:31 Lol I'm gonna in a few hours Jul 10 19:00:33 Oh shit Jul 10 19:00:37 its 2:00 already Jul 10 19:01:01 AakashPatel: why ya gotta call htc Jul 10 19:01:19 My space bar in my ADP1 doesn't work if i press it on the right side some times Jul 10 19:01:48 And I wanna see if they'll give me a new one hehe Jul 10 19:04:51 I'm for sure as hell ain't sending it in to get repaired Jul 10 19:05:27 how long have u had it Jul 10 19:05:35 6 months Jul 10 19:05:50 they'll prob swap it with a refurb and do advanced replacement Jul 10 19:06:04 hmm...refurb Jul 10 19:06:08 * AakashPatel shivers Jul 10 19:06:20 hey sometimes refurbs are better Jul 10 19:06:27 * NexVision looks down Jul 10 19:06:32 How's that? Jul 10 19:06:53 theyve been more thoroughly tested Jul 10 19:07:02 is what i used to tell my customers anyways Jul 10 19:07:08 Hm, lol if I dont like the refurb ill just send it back >_> Jul 10 19:07:16 and get another Jul 10 19:07:20 Yep Jul 10 19:07:30 only part thats refurbed are the guts Jul 10 19:07:31 i like this idea :D Jul 10 19:07:36 cases are always new Jul 10 19:07:38 Oh Jul 10 19:07:53 only boards usually Jul 10 19:07:54 wait, i knew that, why did i say oh Jul 10 19:08:02 sometimes mics and earpieces Jul 10 19:08:07 and screens Jul 10 19:08:17 but 8 out of 10 times just boards Jul 10 19:08:19 NexVision: when i get it ill make sure it loooks *brand new* Jul 10 19:08:21 ;) Jul 10 19:08:35 i know a htc repair center they do all warranty work Jul 10 19:08:42 but they dont do advanced replacements Jul 10 19:08:48 thats the company direct for that Jul 10 19:09:19 theyll prob ask for a like 200 or 250 for advanced replacement Jul 10 19:09:22 Hm, do I gotta pay for shipping shit? Jul 10 19:09:25 and they just place a hold on the cc Jul 10 19:09:27 Yeah Jul 10 19:09:28 nah Jul 10 19:09:29 prolly Jul 10 19:09:38 sweet Jul 10 19:09:40 they ship and should include return envelope Jul 10 19:09:56 tell them its your only phone and u cant be without a phone Jul 10 19:10:14 Yeah, i'll tell em its for business Jul 10 19:10:14 I need phones with matte screens. Jul 10 19:10:33 darweth: o.o Jul 10 19:10:38 How do ya'll see the phone in direct sunlight? Jul 10 19:10:42 Almost impossible to see the screen. Jul 10 19:10:45 Its easy Jul 10 19:10:52 you look at the screen ;) Jul 10 19:10:58 Impossible to see it. Jul 10 19:11:06 I can lol Jul 10 19:12:04 darweth http://www.boxwave.com/products/cleartouch/cleartouch-screen-protector-t-mobile-g1_3283.htm Jul 10 19:12:08 matte screen for g1 Jul 10 19:12:17 ;) Jul 10 19:12:36 Thanks. Jul 10 19:12:59 ive been using there anti glare for years on almost every phone Jul 10 19:13:07 if not i grabbed there crystal Jul 10 19:16:21 NexVision: you have an ADP1? Jul 10 19:18:02 nah white g1 Jul 10 19:18:30 white G1 here too! Jul 10 19:18:48 had a black one but gave it to my girl since she didnt like the white Jul 10 19:19:11 i think the white and brown are made better then the black Jul 10 19:19:35 ive only seen the bronze/brown whatever once in the wild Jul 10 19:19:40 Hm...I hope they dont mistake the black g1 for my adp1 >_< Jul 10 19:20:05 ADP1 has a bronze tint, but isnt bronze, or black Jul 10 19:20:20 Now everyone wants the new Sony phone. Jul 10 19:21:07 htc is pretty good from all my dealings with them i dont think ull have a prob Jul 10 19:22:38 any idea if samsung will sell sim.unlocked version of i7500? Jul 10 19:23:25 sweet, I got eclipse+jdk+sdk running from a thumb drive Jul 10 19:27:05 anyone want let me rent their tmobile g1 for a small experiment? Jul 10 19:27:15 xp_prg: you still havent found someone? Jul 10 19:27:17 damn boi Jul 10 19:27:24 nope :( Jul 10 19:27:29 I have the custom kernel and everything now Jul 10 19:27:52 lol go buy one and return it Jul 10 19:27:56 thats all i can say lol Jul 10 19:28:08 heh that is what I will probably have to do :> Jul 10 19:28:20 whats the experiment Jul 10 19:28:54 controlling an arduino board that then controls a motor Jul 10 19:29:01 * grey- stabs java. Jul 10 19:29:22 what interface, xp_prg? Jul 10 19:29:24 I have the arduino board and the motor working Jul 10 19:29:26 serial Jul 10 19:29:28 interesting idea Jul 10 19:29:34 G1 has a serial port? Jul 10 19:29:38 yup Jul 10 19:29:47 no kidding...in the extusb? Jul 10 19:29:51 yup Jul 10 19:30:06 Yea Jul 10 19:30:07 I even bought enough parts for two cables Jul 10 19:30:13 anyone near Palo Alto, CA? Jul 10 19:30:21 http://www.instructables.com/id/Android_G1_Serial_Cable/ lol Jul 10 19:30:44 how far is that from campbell Jul 10 19:31:47 26 minutes Jul 10 19:31:54 http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&utm_campaign=en&utm_medium=ha&utm_source=en-ha-na-us-bk-dd&utm_term=google%20directions Jul 10 19:32:14 Bicster: like, 30mins depending on traffic. Jul 10 19:32:15 I have the arduino, the motor, the cable, the custom kernel, everything needed!!!! Jul 10 19:32:20 I'll ask Jul 10 19:32:29 I'm in texas Jul 10 19:32:30 Is this like proof of concept or somethig? Jul 10 19:32:34 ya Jul 10 19:32:39 How? Jul 10 19:32:44 Whats the concept Jul 10 19:32:51 make a robot Jul 10 19:33:03 with the phone as the brain Jul 10 19:33:33 Bleh Jul 10 19:33:35 Bicster who you going to ask? Jul 10 19:33:38 Thats easy Jul 10 19:33:40 ! Jul 10 19:33:41 :P Jul 10 19:33:42 lol Jul 10 19:33:46 xp_prg, my friend in campbell ;) Jul 10 19:33:46 not for me it isn't :> Jul 10 19:33:48 Wait a min Jul 10 19:33:58 why do you need the phone if you have the arduiono Jul 10 19:34:00 err Jul 10 19:34:01 typo Jul 10 19:34:13 he's on the channel so if he's interested I imagine he'll speak up Jul 10 19:34:21 cuz the phone is seriously cheaper than all the arduino shields and stuff Jul 10 19:34:27 AakashPatel: wont you learn to read before you press enter? Jul 10 19:34:52 wingless: Nope Jul 10 19:34:54 :) Jul 10 19:35:00 yes.. :( Jul 10 19:35:32 lol i'm gonna start, i realized that i make a typo in like 90% of my sentences Jul 10 19:36:01 Bicster ask him!!!! Jul 10 19:36:27 I did, he's either afk or unwilling :) Jul 10 19:36:46 he's had his G1 a whole day so he's probably still on the honeymoon Jul 10 19:36:58 haha Jul 10 19:37:01 tell him I will be his friend for a long time if he does this for me Jul 10 19:37:09 hahaha Jul 10 19:37:11 "Love you long time" - noted Jul 10 19:37:20 heh Jul 10 19:37:46 AakashPatel, I think 90% itself was a typo for 99% ;) Jul 10 19:37:47 xp_prg: Who are you proving this to? lol Jul 10 19:37:52 myself Jul 10 19:37:57 If i were you Jul 10 19:38:03 I would just make it bluetooth powered Jul 10 19:38:07 that would be wayyyyyyyyy better Jul 10 19:38:15 its too heavy doing it that way Jul 10 19:38:16 Bicster: haha Jul 10 19:38:19 What? Jul 10 19:38:21 nah one of those $400 wifi shields Jul 10 19:38:22 No way Jul 10 19:38:38 ya man the shield is expensive on the arduino too Jul 10 19:38:39 its lame Jul 10 19:38:55 those xbee modules are lame Jul 10 19:38:59 You should have gotten the bluetoof arduino lol Jul 10 19:39:06 Bicster: o.o Jul 10 19:39:18 my xbee modules have a range of maybe 15 feet indoors Jul 10 19:39:20 I am doing this cheap, everything is analyzed for optimum performance ber dollar Jul 10 19:39:31 I shall not be questioned Jul 10 19:39:35 xp_prg, with the mytouch 3g coming out you'll see tons of G1's on ebay soon :) Jul 10 19:39:45 oh wow cool! Jul 10 19:40:01 I can go to walmart and get one for 85.00 and return it Jul 10 19:40:11 lol you still have to pay for service, dont you? Jul 10 19:40:13 but I am wanting to avoid that as it is not very ethical Jul 10 19:40:24 ethics smethics Jul 10 19:40:28 ya but only for a month Jul 10 19:40:29 xp_prg, how about using a laptop running the android livecd with a usb/serial adaptor cable :P Jul 10 19:40:39 ^^ Jul 10 19:41:00 oh and don't forget lots of duct tape, that makes robots cool Jul 10 19:41:04 I thought of that but the motors and power supply are seriously expensive and harder to make work with the added weight of the laptop Jul 10 19:41:16 well no, just for proof of concept ;) Jul 10 19:41:30 that is not poc proof I want Jul 10 19:41:31 lol, go buy a hero Jul 10 19:42:13 does hero have extusb or some other port (microusb?) Jul 10 19:42:22 I know hero has 3.5mm headphone jack..finally Jul 10 19:42:32 when is the hero coming out? Jul 10 19:42:39 xp_prg: you can preorder now Jul 10 19:42:43 xp_prg, nobody has announced hero in the us market Jul 10 19:42:44 look on amazon.co.uk Jul 10 19:42:48 lol Jul 10 19:44:23 Where is application data typically saved? Is it /data/data ? Jul 10 19:44:26 can android stream live video yet? Jul 10 19:44:42 I think qik does that Jul 10 19:44:49 If you make your app capable of, then yes ;) Jul 10 19:44:59 buleeahn: yea Jul 10 19:45:21 Ok. Jul 10 19:45:23 is there some way to force the sdk/eclipse to run something in the emulator even if a phone is attached? Jul 10 19:45:37 Hm, if I do `rm -rf /data/app/whatever.apk` Jul 10 19:45:44 I want to stream video from the camera on the g1 to my web page is there an app that supports that on the g1? Jul 10 19:45:53 When I reboot the phone, will the /data/data/ corresponding with taht be removed also? Jul 10 19:46:00 I'ved owned my G1 for 3 days and I'm already fed up with the shortcomings of backup programs out there. Jul 10 19:46:08 xp_prg: I'm sure you can make one pretty easily Jul 10 19:46:11 xp_prg, qik.com Jul 10 19:46:15 pretty = fairly Jul 10 19:46:34 so yes it can be done Jul 10 19:46:36 nice! Jul 10 19:46:56 Bicster: That streams data from your cam? Jul 10 19:46:58 qik? Jul 10 19:46:59 it sounds like this robot of yours will need to carry around a 50lb lead-acid battery to run longer than 5 minutes Jul 10 19:47:00 buleeahn: if you have root access, you can back up data. Jul 10 19:47:10 AakashPatel, yes Jul 10 19:47:11 not true at all Bicster Jul 10 19:47:33 vol_ That's why I was asking where in the heck it was supposed to live. Jul 10 19:47:34 lol lead acid batery Jul 10 19:48:03 buleeahn: *cough* look up my post about backup script on xda-devs Jul 10 19:48:11 if you have root that is Jul 10 19:48:12 ;) Jul 10 19:48:43 Well, its a backup java desktop app, backs up the apk's you installed and the data that goes with it Jul 10 19:48:58 via ADB Jul 10 19:49:06 XD Jul 10 19:49:37 brb Jul 10 19:50:13 how can i try HERO rom / sense on the SDK emulator? Jul 10 19:50:28 Ok, what exactly is adb??? Jul 10 19:50:41 "android debug bridge" Jul 10 19:50:52 a program you run on your computer to talk to the phone Jul 10 19:51:11 you can push/pull files, get a shell session on the phone, forward ports, etc. Jul 10 19:51:57 in the Display settings on the G1 there's an option labeled Orientation which says "Switch orientation automatically when rotating phone." but when I turn it on nothing seems to change. I figured it would always show landscape orientation, even with the screen closed. Jul 10 19:52:12 buleeahn: if you have root, you can probably write a program to "back up" the private data to the sdcard for programs, or create a save state, or something. Jul 10 19:52:17 I'm going to have to look at that AakashPatel. Jul 10 19:52:30 vol_ What you're describing is what I am going to do. Jul 10 19:52:36 but yeah, the private data lives in /data/data// Jul 10 19:52:42 vol_ I'm just trying to figure out *where* the sensitive data lives. Jul 10 19:52:45 probably in /data/data//files/ Jul 10 19:52:48 autojack: open some random application and try it. it doesn't work on the home screen Jul 10 19:52:53 ah OK. Jul 10 19:52:56 What do you mean by "private" data? Jul 10 19:53:07 data "private" to the app Jul 10 19:53:15 apps aren't supposed to be able to see other apps private data Jul 10 19:53:19 Right. Jul 10 19:53:23 buleeahn: you might want to check out the nandroid functionality in my recovery images Jul 10 19:53:27 and neither is the user Jul 10 19:53:28 I follow you with the "safeguarding" of data. Jul 10 19:53:36 JesusFreke! Jul 10 19:53:40 I've heard about your rom's man. Jul 10 19:53:43 so, if you're not on a rooted device, you can't use adb to just enter into /data/data/blah/ Jul 10 19:53:50 I've jumped on the Cyanogen wagon first. Jul 10 19:53:51 you won't have appropriate permissions Jul 10 19:53:52 :-( Jul 10 19:53:53 buleeahn: full backup of the various partitions on the phone Jul 10 19:54:01 JesusFreke I like that idea. Jul 10 19:54:05 honestly, just use nandroid or something Jul 10 19:54:13 cool, it does work. kinda weird that it doesn't work on the home screen. Jul 10 19:54:21 My whole problem right now is that I cannot do a wipe and restore the state of the applications after thw eipe. Jul 10 19:54:33 I pulled down sources using "repo". everything builds fine (ie. sdk, full build) and seems to work. however, it looks like kernel/* doesnt have all the files that went into the prebuilt kernel used by the emulator (ie. arch/arm/mach-goldfish is not present). why? how can I get the full kernel tree matching or nearly matching the kernel thats running in emulator? Jul 10 19:54:36 buleeahn: yeah, nandroid won't really help with that Jul 10 19:54:39 vol_ Doesn't nandroid restore the entire state of the nvram? Jul 10 19:54:48 buleeahn: restoring the nandroid backup basically undoes the wipe :) Jul 10 19:54:50 That's what I was thinking. Jul 10 19:54:57 btw JesusFreke, there's a chmod /bin/su in update-script. why do you need it? Jul 10 19:54:59 Yeah, that's what I want to avoid. Jul 10 19:55:08 Has rsync been ported to run on the android yet? Jul 10 19:55:24 wingless: su can't su unless it's setuid root Jul 10 19:56:15 bule: should be easy to build any of those linux type programs. Jul 10 19:57:19 buleeahn, you can run Debian... Jul 10 19:58:13 hehe Jul 10 19:58:37 I don't want really want to put a full blown distro on my phone just for rsync. Jul 10 19:58:39 JesusFreke: ok i see Jul 10 19:58:43 I've heard the details about running debian. Jul 10 19:58:47 But I believe that I just need rsync. Jul 10 19:59:04 Most of the other tools I need are already at the command line. Jul 10 20:02:17 am i stupid? where can i find market / more apps when running the SDK emulator? Jul 10 20:03:06 you can't ._. Jul 10 20:03:12 NO APPS FOR YOU! Jul 10 20:03:16 (go buy a phone) Jul 10 20:03:17 what? why? Jul 10 20:03:30 what is the emu good for then? Jul 10 20:03:35 testing the app you're making? Jul 10 20:03:46 you can always pull apps from the intertubes and put them on the emulator, if you're testing compatability Jul 10 20:03:47 yeah but i can't try free apps on it? Jul 10 20:03:57 well, you can, you just can't get them directly from the market Jul 10 20:04:09 ok, thanks Jul 10 20:04:13 that sucks a bit ;) Jul 10 20:04:31 just wanted to try if i like android and if i'm gonna buy an a phone Jul 10 20:04:41 go borrow a rooted device from a friend Jul 10 20:04:46 there's a ton of awesome things you can do Jul 10 20:04:57 no one owns one :( Jul 10 20:04:57 and a ton of free and nearly free apps Jul 10 20:05:02 they all have iPhones ;) Jul 10 20:05:06 well, uh, go to the t-mobile store and see if you can play with one Jul 10 20:05:13 yeah yeah Jul 10 20:05:20 http://code.google.com/p/connectbot/ Jul 10 20:05:28 there's a ton of apks available via code.google.com Jul 10 20:05:36 http://code.google.com/hosting/search?q=label:Android Jul 10 20:06:02 and bear in mind that you get a ton of capability with some custom firmwares Jul 10 20:06:07 thanks @vol_ Jul 10 20:06:14 but yeah def. see if you can get a 7 day trial or something Jul 10 20:07:12 there are some people who got marketplace working in the emulator.. you can find instructions online Jul 10 20:09:08 okey, thanks Jul 10 20:09:53 lol everyone on my gtalk is offline Jul 10 20:09:58 omfg i'm dying Jul 10 20:10:10 AakashPatel|Away: they all just blocked you Jul 10 20:10:10 oh, we're good :) Jul 10 20:10:29 lol then i wouldnt see them Jul 10 20:10:37 sure you would Jul 10 20:10:42 you would see them as offline when blocked Jul 10 20:10:45 nope, not on the webchat shit Jul 10 20:10:52 :-P yeah yeah Jul 10 20:10:58 If I pull repo sources without specifying a tag, what do I get? Jul 10 20:11:03 you only stop seeing them when they remove you Jul 10 20:11:04 the master Jul 10 20:11:12 Macer: yea Jul 10 20:11:15 is the master different than cupcake? Jul 10 20:11:40 Eh, I'm not for sure Jul 10 20:11:55 They merge ever so often Jul 10 20:12:04 I don't know what master is right now Jul 10 20:14:43 anyone know how long a Google Checkout refund takes to go through? Jul 10 20:14:56 I refunded an app 3 days ago and it still hasn't been credited to my bank account. Jul 10 20:16:29 I thought they weren't even charged until the refund window closed. If you used a debit card it's probably just an authorization, not a debit Jul 10 20:16:52 authorizations are probably held for a week Jul 10 20:17:18 GenericNode: you got duped haha Jul 10 20:17:46 well Google Checkout processed the refund, yet it hasn't posted to my account 3 days later. I'm led to believe this is Google. Jul 10 20:17:54 probably depends on the banking institution Jul 10 20:17:59 GenericNode: Did it charge? Jul 10 20:18:01 that's how they really make the bucks. screwing users out of 4.99 at a time. Jul 10 20:18:03 yeah Jul 10 20:18:12 some places take 5 workign days Jul 10 20:18:26 GenericNode: you never know ;) Jul 10 20:18:39 Yeah. They debited it within minutes though. Jul 10 20:18:56 But I suppose I shouldn't be suprised they were so eager to take my money, but not give it back. Jul 10 20:19:06 someone could get a fake app on the market and charge $20 from it and say it is like.. MS Office 2010.. and as long as they get 5 people duped they get $100 as long as they move the money fast enough Jul 10 20:19:43 GenericNode: minutes? Jul 10 20:19:56 lol. usually takes like 1 second from my bank if i buy an app haha Jul 10 20:20:07 Yes. When I clicked the "buy" button, that shit was gone from my account. Jul 10 20:20:14 i'm sure it was :-D Jul 10 20:20:22 it's amazing how quickly they TAKE the money Jul 10 20:20:22 well, whatever. i didn't notice what time exactly Jul 10 20:20:49 obviosuly we see which section of hte e-business market has all the QOS controls throttling it up Jul 10 20:21:05 the refund stream probably runs off of a t1 Jul 10 20:21:09 for the entire planet Jul 10 20:21:38 internets refund backbone is some dsl modem running through a wrt54g Jul 10 20:21:49 while the money taking system is an ibm blue gene Jul 10 20:21:56 with 500 oc24s Jul 10 20:25:48 does anyone know how to set up adb in on linux ubuntu Jul 10 20:26:14 ???? Jul 10 20:28:29 stgmtl: you download sdk or build it. for emulator you just run "adb " after the emulator is running. for usb, you edit some usb file as mentioned in the online doc (i'll url it in a sec) then you run "adb " as root (to access usb device). a good test would be "adb logcat" or "adb shell" Jul 10 20:29:34 russellb: oh snap! Jul 10 20:29:46 http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/device.html <- has instructions for configuring on linux Jul 10 20:30:16 (maybe those instructions are just for setting it up so you dont need to be root?) Jul 10 20:30:45 ps. if you already failed at running adb, you might want to 'adb kill-server' to clean up before trying again Jul 10 20:31:57 adb kill-server; sudo adb start-server Jul 10 20:33:18 NexVision: They wouldnt give me a replacement :( Jul 10 20:33:26 i told them ill think about it and call back late Jul 10 20:33:27 r Jul 10 20:34:00 "uh you'd have to talk to your service provider for a replacement" "dude, i have the android dev phone 1, i have no service provider" Jul 10 20:34:20 "then all we can do is repair it" Jul 10 20:35:09 freggin spyware Jul 10 20:35:25 Ill call google's number for adp1 and see :) Jul 10 20:35:27 brb Jul 10 20:35:57 hey AakashPatel Jul 10 20:36:15 I have the adp1 that's being replaced Jul 10 20:37:09 contact android@brightstarcorp.com and tell them that when you applied the 1.5 update as stated on the HTC site's instruction the updated botched and your phone won't turn on. Jul 10 20:37:43 r3nrut: why would brightstarcorp care? Jul 10 20:37:51 unless the phone came from them Jul 10 20:37:58 brightstar is a phone distributor Jul 10 20:38:03 oh Jul 10 20:38:04 dur Jul 10 20:38:11 and at 6 months theyll tell u to talk to the manufacturer Jul 10 20:38:13 r3nrut just email em and they'll send you an ew one? Jul 10 20:38:26 new* Jul 10 20:38:43 what happened to your phone? Jul 10 20:38:44 no they wont Jul 10 20:38:51 might be going scorched earth on this infection Jul 10 20:38:52 i used to deal with brightstar all the time Jul 10 20:38:54 NexVision: Its brighstar o.o Jul 10 20:38:58 rly? Jul 10 20:39:09 MoonUnit|G1: the spacebar works like half the time Jul 10 20:39:10 yesh there a reseller Jul 10 20:39:27 psshh Jul 10 20:39:33 yea, brightstar handles the warranty on the adp1 Jul 10 20:39:33 they have 1 person on duty lol Jul 10 20:39:34 they sell all brands Jul 10 20:39:39 i get thier answering machine Jul 10 20:39:43 HTC warranty (PCD - Personal Communications Devices) Jul 10 20:39:44 (800) 229-1235 Jul 10 20:39:46 555 Wireless Blvd. Jul 10 20:39:47 Hauppauge, NY 11788 Jul 10 20:39:50 thats a htc warranty dept Jul 10 20:39:54 you just give them your IMEI and they check your warranty Jul 10 20:39:57 no no no, email Jul 10 20:40:07 r3nrut they have a number also Jul 10 20:40:15 rita nixon is the contact Jul 10 20:40:31 AakashPatel: the best way to get a quick contact is to email them Jul 10 20:40:33 18475735171 Jul 10 20:40:42 r3nrut calling > email ;) Jul 10 20:41:11 so brightstar locked down warranty contract on adp? Jul 10 20:41:21 either way, that's how to do it Jul 10 20:41:25 my replacement is on its way Jul 10 20:41:41 lol what happened to yours r3nrut Jul 10 20:42:49 loaded haykuro's SPL and it was incompatible with my board Jul 10 20:43:10 Haha Jul 10 20:43:20 DId you have a pvt board? Jul 10 20:43:27 dvt Jul 10 20:43:36 they have those in adp's o.O Jul 10 20:43:52 mine is a pvt Jul 10 20:44:02 the replacement better be one also lol Jul 10 20:44:04 guess so, i had a screenshot of my bootloader screen and it said dvt Jul 10 20:45:15 bleh screw this, im emailing them Jul 10 20:45:27 TOLD YOU!!! Jul 10 20:45:41 lol Jul 10 20:46:09 lol Jul 10 20:46:26 that damn lady dooesnt answer her phone! lol Jul 10 20:46:36 i called them once before and they answered lol Jul 10 20:47:23 yeah, i don't think she likes the phone Jul 10 20:47:55 what info did you give them? so i dont gotta email like 50 times Jul 10 20:48:17 guys wheres the backgrounf image located in na theme update.zip? Jul 10 20:48:47 r3nrut: ! Jul 10 20:49:57 sorry Jul 10 20:50:27 i told them my phone stopped turning on, i said that i think the phone is still under warranty and provided my IMEI Jul 10 20:50:47 they requested the receipt date and whatever number was on that but I had neither Jul 10 20:50:53 IMEI should suffice Jul 10 20:51:12 lol i rmember when i bought mine Jul 10 20:51:16 the date Jul 10 20:51:38 jan 19 XD Jul 10 20:51:49 yeah, i forgot... i preordered the G1 sold it and then bought the adp1 Jul 10 20:52:32 lol they ddint even put a hold on your cc? Jul 10 20:53:27 hi AakashPatel Jul 10 20:53:32 hi guys Jul 10 20:53:33 yo TannerS Jul 10 20:53:35 nope Jul 10 20:53:40 how r u Jul 10 20:53:44 is there a way to limit the # of apps that android can have open at once ? Jul 10 20:53:55 6 Jul 10 20:54:06 < 6 ? Jul 10 20:54:11 better ye tmake the app closes not jsut still running in background Jul 10 20:54:37 you can have 6 applications open but that's not how many threads that can be running Jul 10 20:54:51 my g1 is so slow and sometimes I need it to be responsive. Jul 10 20:55:00 Sometimes it just hangs for a few seconds :( Jul 10 20:55:02 r3nrut: haha what? are they letting you keep your adp1? Jul 10 20:55:17 do what i do, buy advance task manager and close everything down everytiem u boot or when u want something else Jul 10 20:55:25 AakashPatel: no, i had to send it in for testing Jul 10 20:55:30 WHAT? Jul 10 20:55:33 oh Jul 10 20:55:37 damn it! Jul 10 20:55:44 i need mine for everything :/ Jul 10 20:56:05 floppyears: do you have a ton of apps installed? Jul 10 20:56:21 TannerS: what other features does that app provide? Jul 10 20:56:32 r3nrut: 10 or 15, I wouldn't consider that a lot Jul 10 20:57:27 floppyears: are you on the stock firmware or do you have a modified firmware you got from the web Jul 10 20:57:39 * floppyears uses jf1.51 Jul 10 20:57:44 \o/ Jul 10 20:58:14 * floppyears bows to jf1.51 Jul 10 20:58:20 and its creator Jul 10 20:58:26 floppyears: yeah, mine does that too on that firmware Jul 10 20:59:08 :( Jul 10 20:59:11 load averages: 5.42, 5.46, 5.07; up 18+11:29:16 15:57:34 Jul 10 20:59:13 wow Jul 10 20:59:20 that's horrible :) Jul 10 20:59:30 floppyears: i'd suggest doing some benchmark tests and giving the data to JF Jul 10 20:59:52 r3nrut: it happens rather randomly for me Jul 10 20:59:53 user input is the best way to get an idea of how these firmwares are running Jul 10 21:00:09 what benchmark tools do you guys use ? Jul 10 21:00:47 brb Jul 10 21:00:55 Could someone send a Google Voice invitation to me? I can't wait any longer :( Jul 10 21:01:09 Nope Jul 10 21:01:10 ill take one if someone is sending Jul 10 21:01:12 Just cuz you asked Jul 10 21:01:17 lol Jul 10 21:01:58 ditto, i've wanted to try the google voice hack to give myself visual voice mail the hard way Jul 10 21:02:19 eh, i dont see the hype about it lol Jul 10 21:02:30 I love it Jul 10 21:02:30 there's hype about it? Jul 10 21:02:34 i have google voice, i barely use it at all Jul 10 21:02:43 send me invite Jul 10 21:02:43 I only use it for the voicemail transcripts Jul 10 21:02:47 I don't have any Jul 10 21:02:52 never have had any invites Jul 10 21:02:59 NexVision I cant Jul 10 21:03:03 unless I just don't know where to look for them ;) Jul 10 21:03:06 bah humbug Jul 10 21:03:07 AakashPatel, what a waist Jul 10 21:03:07 only certain people google gave invtes to can Jul 10 21:03:22 so ur saying ur not special enough Jul 10 21:03:26 Yep Jul 10 21:03:28 pretty much Jul 10 21:03:29 hang on, i'll see if someone here has it Jul 10 21:03:29 :) Jul 10 21:03:39 I'm guessing google would give the invites to heavier users Jul 10 21:03:50 Or the media XD Jul 10 21:03:52 r3nrut, I need it so badly Jul 10 21:03:55 :) Jul 10 21:03:57 Why Jul 10 21:04:00 Why so bad? Jul 10 21:04:24 damn laptops suck nowadays Jul 10 21:04:30 WRONG Jul 10 21:04:38 * AakashPatel <3 his macbook rpo Jul 10 21:04:43 lol typo again Jul 10 21:04:45 weren't laptops supposed to start getting replacable video cards? Jul 10 21:04:54 what? Jul 10 21:04:55 ew Jul 10 21:04:56 AakashPatel, it's change of practice , make your life more efficient. Jul 10 21:04:57 rpo? :) like repo because you can't pay your finance charge? Jul 10 21:05:07 haha Jul 10 21:05:07 * Wickednix agrees with aakashpatel Jul 10 21:05:09 AakashPatel: they have igp video cards for some laptops Jul 10 21:05:14 or whatever it's called Jul 10 21:05:34 strokes his MBP. good machine Jul 10 21:05:34 bah, no one here has google voice Jul 10 21:05:41 I haz Jul 10 21:05:43 r3nrut, I do Jul 10 21:05:45 But no invites ;) Jul 10 21:06:00 AakashPatel, it's a matter of time that traditional cellphone carriers in U.S will give in, sell None contract sim card Jul 10 21:06:02 same here, no invites but has an account Jul 10 21:06:15 skyred_: the only think i dont like is that it doesnt have MMS Jul 10 21:06:15 KNY: do you have the ability to invite? Jul 10 21:06:18 thats all Jul 10 21:06:19 r3nrut: doesn't everybody have google voice? Jul 10 21:06:20 heh Jul 10 21:06:29 Macer: apparently not Jul 10 21:06:32 r3nrut, no. No one does except Google. Jul 10 21:06:40 See told you Jul 10 21:06:40 I have it because I had GrandCentral ;) Jul 10 21:06:42 :) Jul 10 21:06:42 r3nrut, go sign up to get an invitation and be patient. Jul 10 21:06:57 * Wickednix agrees with bicster Jul 10 21:07:05 lol all Wickednix does is agree Jul 10 21:07:07 * zinx picks up an Enchanted staff of Voice of Google Jul 10 21:07:11 heh Jul 10 21:07:15 yup thats all I do Jul 10 21:07:18 * Bicster agrees with AakashPatel Jul 10 21:07:29 I have nothing else to contribute right now Jul 10 21:07:32 well. google has the built in webcam stuff now Jul 10 21:07:34 so I agree Jul 10 21:07:38 KNY: may as well be since I don't get my phone for another week anyway Jul 10 21:07:39 * Bicster disagrees with Wickednix Jul 10 21:07:41 and i still think there aren't any good laptops anymore Jul 10 21:07:52 the last good laptops left the world when ibm sold out to lenovo Jul 10 21:08:01 Macer: Go buy a nice macbook pro with a nice mointor an and a nice keyboard/mouse Jul 10 21:08:02 XD Jul 10 21:08:07 * Wickednix cries Jul 10 21:08:08 AakashPatel, MMS? that's for old phone. when you have entire Internet on Android, you don't need MMS. You just need to convince your friend to start explore with Android Jul 10 21:08:12 r3nrut, besides, I wouldn't give you one even if I could, simply because you asked. People asking for invitations is a huge pet peeve of mine. Jul 10 21:08:25 skyred_: for teens yea you do ;) Jul 10 21:08:28 Macer: that's ok, because there aren't any good processors, video cards, or hard drives any more either Jul 10 21:08:36 zinx: agreed Jul 10 21:08:52 although video cards.... i dunno about that.. and processors are good if you want to run a nuclear generator outside your house Jul 10 21:09:01 * Macer needs to build a retarded box Jul 10 21:09:04 Macer: those xeon cpus are nice ;) Jul 10 21:09:07 * Wickednix goes back to looking for a nice netbook Jul 10 21:09:08 with like 8 gpus Jul 10 21:09:09 heh Jul 10 21:09:11 6 core o.o Jul 10 21:09:11 and 4 cpus Jul 10 21:09:17 KNY: yeah thats understandable. i like being a dick too. ;) Jul 10 21:09:28 16G of ram Jul 10 21:09:30 AakashPatel: "Xeon" decribes anything from P4s to the one you're talking about Jul 10 21:09:34 just some outrageous crap like that Jul 10 21:09:37 4 i7s Jul 10 21:09:39 heh Jul 10 21:09:45 AakashPatel, teens are leaning fast. Throw Android to them, they will pick up Google products very quickly. That's why we need education :) Jul 10 21:09:45 zinx: those nice 6 core ones! Jul 10 21:09:48 does ati have the lead in the gpu market now Jul 10 21:09:49 I was just reading about an atom 330 (dual core 4 thread cpu) with a nvidia 9400m on board Jul 10 21:09:50 AakashPatel: it's one of the more annoying intel naming schemes Jul 10 21:09:53 r3nrut, you'd understand if you were in my position. I get at least 5 separate people emailing asking for invitations every day Jul 10 21:09:53 +1fps over nvidia? Jul 10 21:10:12 skyred_: if they have money lol only 1 of my friends has a g1 Jul 10 21:10:12 KNY can I have an invitation? ;-) Jul 10 21:10:13 "Hey, let's call everything we make for servers 'Xeon' from now 'til the end of time, eh?" Jul 10 21:10:18 spikebike, only if you send an email Jul 10 21:10:30 * spikebike fails to be #6 Jul 10 21:10:32 spikebike: what do atoms top out at? Jul 10 21:10:34 2.0GHz? Jul 10 21:10:36 1.6 GHz Jul 10 21:10:38 oh Jul 10 21:10:39 KNY: yeah like the 5 people i have ask me a day if i figured out how to JTAG their phones and fix the brick issue? Jul 10 21:10:45 then i guess this aspire1 i'm on now Jul 10 21:10:48 run nice and cool though Jul 10 21:10:49 is a maxed out atom :) haha Jul 10 21:10:51 I don't know why automatic screen rotation is often touted as a really kickass feature and positive thing for the Android. For me it is the most annoying thing ever and I can't understand how anyone could tolerate it. Jul 10 21:10:52 r3nrut: did you? Jul 10 21:10:54 r3nrut, if you say so. Jul 10 21:10:56 spikebike: not really Jul 10 21:11:01 Macer: cept that it's a single core Jul 10 21:11:03 i think it runs a little warm when used Jul 10 21:11:07 zinx: no, i don't have a phone to test on right now Jul 10 21:11:08 darweth: iPhone users. Jul 10 21:11:18 spikebike: i don't think they have ultraportable stuff that is dual core yet Jul 10 21:11:24 arm is releasing an A9 soon :) Jul 10 21:11:34 zinx: Heh, guess so. Jul 10 21:11:35 well.. if you think a year is soon Jul 10 21:11:35 Macer: yeah dual core atom = nettop not netbook Jul 10 21:11:39 darweth: iPhone users also think a hardware keyboard is a bad thing. Jul 10 21:11:41 nettop Jul 10 21:11:42 haha Jul 10 21:11:59 darweth: why? because the iPhone doesn't have one. Jul 10 21:12:00 zinx: Might be a bad thing now. Since I got HTC IME keyboard, I barely use the hw one. Jul 10 21:12:04 zinx: http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/ Jul 10 21:12:12 AakashPatel, but don't forget Android grows with exponential speed. You will be surprised that how soon other phones will die out Jul 10 21:12:12 darweth: its reallly nice Jul 10 21:12:23 skyred_: where do you live? Jul 10 21:12:39 AakashPatel, New York, right now Jul 10 21:12:46 how old are you? Jul 10 21:12:48 lol Jul 10 21:12:56 that sounds f'ed up Jul 10 21:13:19 cuz teens haz no money, and android phones right now are high end :P Jul 10 21:13:22 AakashPatel, Google "skyred" Jul 10 21:13:24 * Wickednix hides his son from Apatel Jul 10 21:13:29 hahaa Jul 10 21:13:41 :P Jul 10 21:14:12 is that your website? Jul 10 21:14:15 cuz it sucks hah Jul 10 21:14:47 ? Jul 10 21:14:53 skyred.something Jul 10 21:14:54 http://skyred.com/ Jul 10 21:14:58 Worst website ever! Jul 10 21:15:06 ^taht one lol Jul 10 21:15:27 hahaha Jul 10 21:15:39 I dunno this one is prolly worse: http://www.themostamazingwebsiteontheinternet.com/ Jul 10 21:15:52 True enough. Jul 10 21:16:00 haha Jul 10 21:16:02 ha Jul 10 21:16:03 Love his hero. Jul 10 21:16:04 hahahahah Jul 10 21:16:08 zinx.xmms.org/q2hack/ Jul 10 21:16:22 AakashPatel, darweth come on, give that website a little credit, although it's not mine. check out my website http://greatbrewers.com, http://insready.com Jul 10 21:16:25 zinx: NICE Jul 10 21:16:35 zinx: i just had a seizure Jul 10 21:16:37 lolf Jul 10 21:16:50 skyred_: you like Ommegang? Jul 10 21:17:04 <- did not make :) Jul 10 21:17:21 zinx: aww that means i can sue you lol Jul 10 21:17:36 errr Jul 10 21:17:38 cant* Jul 10 21:17:39 someone here use swapper? (the application that should start swap automatically) Jul 10 21:17:42 that one slipped by Jul 10 21:18:18 darweth, ommegang it's not on my favorite list yet. but I will taste it later Jul 10 21:18:22 i was asking myself if it's normal that it DOESN'T start automatically the swap... Jul 10 21:18:33 I love craft beer. Jul 10 21:18:46 (it's clearly not normal... but i was looking to the google code trunk and can't see the reason) Jul 10 21:19:16 darweth, if you register on GreatBrewers.com. there are a lot of crazy stuff you can do Jul 10 21:19:41 Never really checked the site out Jul 10 21:19:43 r3nrut: yep, i just called brightstar and they told me to send and email lol Jul 10 21:19:46 Used to be active on beeradvocate Jul 10 21:20:10 omg zinx what is that page you made me go to?! Jul 10 21:20:19 grey-: that was pretty amazing Jul 10 21:20:20 this beer talk is making me want a beer Jul 10 21:20:30 but I have class in an hour, cries Jul 10 21:20:51 zinx: i have epilepsy now Jul 10 21:20:54 darweth, GreatBrewers.com was designed to beat beeradvocate. if you have an android, you will definitely get on Greatbrewers.com later Jul 10 21:21:12 AakashPatel: man, i so told you Jul 10 21:21:41 r3nrut: i sent one like 15 mins ago XD Jul 10 21:22:03 skyred_: Why? Is there an app for it coming? Jul 10 21:24:29 darweth, I am doing cloud computing based apps with beer for android developer challenge 2. I will release them in August Jul 10 21:24:46 Cool. I will look into it. Got to run, bbl. Jul 10 21:25:12 enjoy weekend Jul 10 21:25:18 kewl! i will pirate it haha Jul 10 21:25:19 AakashPatel: I'm not going to lie, it takes them about a week after they get the phone to look at it... but once they do they have a quick turn around Jul 10 21:25:41 r3nrut: i told them i wasnt gonna sent it in and let them put a hold on my CC Jul 10 21:25:54 cuz i need it for work Jul 10 21:27:12 AakashPatel: why would they put a hold on your cc? Jul 10 21:27:52 So they can send me one first Jul 10 21:27:56 then i send mine back Jul 10 21:28:03 oh Jul 10 21:28:15 yeah, i'm using a nokia n78 i had laying around Jul 10 21:28:22 so i didn't need one first Jul 10 21:28:34 yeah, i *need* mine lol Jul 10 21:29:05 understandable Jul 10 21:29:54 :) Jul 10 21:37:47 oh god Jul 10 21:37:57 r3nrut: wtf, thier formatting on email is horrid Jul 10 21:38:29 LOL, yea... I noticed that too Jul 10 21:39:00 they can format whatever they want... they're replacing the phone I tried to stick a JTAG interface too Jul 10 21:40:15 bleh Jul 10 21:40:21 they told me to sned it in first Jul 10 21:40:33 im gonna reply again with *i cant* lol Jul 10 21:40:50 does cyanogen have a public git repository? Jul 10 21:41:38 AakashPatel: but if the phone is bricked what good is it to you? Jul 10 21:41:53 r3nrut: i told them that my spacebar is fucked Jul 10 21:41:57 ;) Jul 10 21:42:07 is it? Jul 10 21:42:14 no Jul 10 21:42:24 that was the truth lol Jul 10 21:42:28 so why are you sending it back? Jul 10 21:42:34 AakashPatel: you're confusion me Jul 10 21:42:44 r3nrut: read you logs lol you suggested i say that Jul 10 21:42:49 that my phone was bricked Jul 10 21:42:56 KNY: cuz my spacebar works like half the time Jul 10 21:43:03 ah Jul 10 21:43:08 you're phone is bricked right? Jul 10 21:43:11 oh Jul 10 21:43:12 no... Jul 10 21:43:15 OH Jul 10 21:43:16 LOL Jul 10 21:43:26 haha Jul 10 21:43:29 i must have got my wires crossed somewhere in the converstaion Jul 10 21:43:34 my phone was dead. Jul 10 21:43:43 bricked by SPL Jul 10 21:44:08 wtf hannah montana, on the show 'she had an explosion in her pants" Jul 10 21:44:13 ...this is a kids show! Jul 10 21:44:33 AakashPatel: why are you watching that? Jul 10 21:44:36 and? Jul 10 21:44:37 no lol Jul 10 21:44:41 my bro is Jul 10 21:44:45 AakashPatel: ever see that commercial for orangina soda that aired in france? Jul 10 21:44:46 hes like 10 or something Jul 10 21:44:50 * sparkle_ twitches Jul 10 21:44:56 haha no Jul 10 21:45:11 i will never complain about sex being used to sell in the usa again - we have nothing on the french Jul 10 21:45:11 i like the guiness commercial about sharing Jul 10 21:45:15 AakashPatel: G1 is hardware for big children, go and play with your tv ;) Jul 10 21:45:18 found it Jul 10 21:45:41 pieterc: hahaha Jul 10 21:46:00 pieterc: I haz bigger peoples hardware, ADP1 Jul 10 21:46:01 hehehe Jul 10 21:46:37 I haz even mo' mo'fo gangsta nigga talk hardware Bro'! ;) Jul 10 21:46:48 My phone even talks gangsta! Jul 10 21:47:19 my fonez is gangsta Jul 10 21:47:30 yo see da graffiti on da back? Jul 10 21:47:36 i'd hit dat Jul 10 21:47:48 alright, enough of that;) Jul 10 21:47:52 lol Jul 10 21:48:03 Hello my good fellow, lovely day, isn't it? Jul 10 21:48:06 rofl Jul 10 21:48:49 Where are system settings stored at for default ringtone settings and whether wifi is on? Jul 10 21:48:57 Where at on the filesystem, I mean. Jul 10 21:51:42 Its in a database Jul 10 21:51:44 prolly Jul 10 21:54:29 r3nrut: I am sorry, but we can not ship a replacement phone without first receiving in the original phone. Jul 10 21:54:31 Jul 10 21:54:32 However, this is what we can do, if you ship the phone to our facility overnight Jul 10 21:54:33 and provide me with the Tracking Number. Jul 10 21:54:35 Jul 10 21:54:36 Upon receipt of the phone, I will immediately ship you out a replacement phone overnight Jul 10 21:54:38 to the location you provide at no charge. Jul 10 21:54:40 ;) Jul 10 21:55:07 AakashPatel Where's the database at? Jul 10 21:55:23 buleeahn: I have no idea Jul 10 21:55:29 heh, k Jul 10 21:56:00 i'm watching in the shadow of the moon Jul 10 21:56:08 about the apollo missions.. blah :) Jul 10 21:56:24 AakashPatel: yeah but you have to pay the overnight charge both ways Jul 10 21:56:31 No Jul 10 21:56:33 1 way Jul 10 21:56:34 :) Jul 10 21:56:38 really? Jul 10 21:56:40 damn Jul 10 21:56:40 Read it Jul 10 21:56:54 AakashPatel: hahaha Jul 10 21:56:56 I was told I had to pay to send and to send back to me Jul 10 21:56:58 Macer: that's an awesome docu. Jul 10 21:57:06 great music and footage, etc. Jul 10 21:57:19 autojack: yeah. it's pretty good Jul 10 21:57:28 lol you got ripped off Jul 10 21:57:31 i didn't know they had this much footage Jul 10 21:57:35 oh man dude Jul 10 21:57:47 it was like the biggest thing in everyone's lives at that time. Jul 10 21:57:53 the space race and Vietnam Jul 10 21:57:58 AakashPatel: yeah but i spent $6 both ways with FedEx Jul 10 21:58:04 haha.. yeah. it totally killed the cowboy toy industry Jul 10 21:58:04 i'm not gonna complain Jul 10 21:58:05 how much is overnite? Jul 10 21:58:05 sooooo much footage Jul 10 21:58:06 * Macer grins Jul 10 21:58:16 AakashPatel: no clue Jul 10 21:58:20 im checkin Jul 10 21:58:20 what part are you at? Jul 10 21:58:23 autojack: well.. vietname came in 65 but wasn't all out until 70 Jul 10 21:58:38 from 65 to around 69 it was kept low key :) Jul 10 21:58:53 true Jul 10 21:58:56 wtf did they call the first people in vietnam? Jul 10 21:58:58 so then it was just the biggest thing ;) Jul 10 21:59:03 they had a special name for them.. something like consultant Jul 10 21:59:07 :) Jul 10 21:59:08 advisors. Jul 10 21:59:10 oh yeah Jul 10 21:59:12 advisors haha Jul 10 21:59:12 i.e. Jul 10 21:59:14 what a joke Jul 10 21:59:16 helicopter pilots ;) Jul 10 21:59:29 autojack: more than that Jul 10 21:59:32 yeah I know Jul 10 21:59:39 they weren't helicopter pilots Jul 10 21:59:44 they were just military advisors Jul 10 21:59:48 who flew in herrocopters Jul 10 21:59:49 they would send american officers out with the south vietnamese Jul 10 21:59:53 well it was accurate in the beginning. at first we really were just advising. Jul 10 22:00:10 then we got progressively more involved until the term became kind of a joke :) Jul 10 22:00:18 vietnam was US vs China + Russia Jul 10 22:00:24 in a proxy war :) Jul 10 22:00:31 hmm, no matter what I do I cannot change the gps location of my emulator Jul 10 22:00:33 http://pastebin.com/m21e7b376 Jul 10 22:00:39 russia got their vietnam in afghanistan Jul 10 22:00:50 when they realzied you can't really use tanks in mountains Jul 10 22:00:54 haha Jul 10 22:00:56 so what part of the docu are you at? Jul 10 22:02:05 the part where the crew catches on fire Jul 10 22:02:10 oh yeah Jul 10 22:02:14 that was mega gnarly Jul 10 22:02:36 nobody thought about a 100% oxygen enviroment Jul 10 22:02:43 wtf Jul 10 22:02:45 and its ability to start fires Jul 10 22:02:46 too much rushing. Jul 10 22:02:47 haha Jul 10 22:02:49 USPS doesnt have overnight? Jul 10 22:02:57 well, not start them. but sustain them :) Jul 10 22:02:58 AakashPatel: fedex ftw Jul 10 22:03:08 they charge 58!!! Jul 10 22:03:10 autojack: haha Jul 10 22:03:18 i'm sure the 100% oxygen helped Jul 10 22:03:18 Macer: they thought about it a lot, there were studies done Jul 10 22:03:22 wonder what actually fueled it Jul 10 22:03:28 metal? :) Jul 10 22:03:42 leather seats? Jul 10 22:03:42 heh Jul 10 22:03:46 Macer: no, just the flammable crap in the capsule. seats, suits, wiring insulation, etc Jul 10 22:03:50 flight manuals. Jul 10 22:04:33 be sure to watch the credits at the end, they throw in some video comments from the astronauts about the hoax theories. Jul 10 22:04:38 some of them are pretty funny. Jul 10 22:04:38 haha Jul 10 22:04:45 like the fake moon landing? Jul 10 22:04:52 where they say it was filmed in hollywood Jul 10 22:05:00 yeah Jul 10 22:05:16 one of them goes, "We landed on the moon NINE TIMES. If we faked it why would we fake it NINE TIMES???" Jul 10 22:05:31 nine? Jul 10 22:05:42 yes Jul 10 22:05:50 lol Jul 10 22:05:54 oh you're including the russian landers Jul 10 22:05:54 did they really land that many times? Jul 10 22:05:55 ok Jul 10 22:06:22 does the US have claim to the moon? Jul 10 22:06:23 :) Jul 10 22:06:26 no Jul 10 22:06:34 Macer: the last time they retrieved a camera that had been sent up on an earlier mission Jul 10 22:06:36 why not? Jul 10 22:06:50 actually it comes down to the definition of "we" and "landed" :) Jul 10 22:06:52 They have a flag! We own it!!! Jul 10 22:06:53 b0nn: you mean they picked up one from teh studio that looked like the original? Jul 10 22:06:53 Macer: there is an international treaty about it. lrn2wikipedia Jul 10 22:06:54 haha Jul 10 22:07:01 yeah Jul 10 22:07:03 dkr: seriously?? Jul 10 22:07:06 wow Jul 10 22:07:09 sparkle_: no, the US really did land nine times. Jul 10 22:07:18 how the hell can someone make a treaty about unclaimed land? Jul 10 22:07:19 :) Jul 10 22:07:23 lollll Jul 10 22:07:24 oh sorry no Jul 10 22:07:27 nobody can even practically get tehre Jul 10 22:07:27 six times. Jul 10 22:07:29 there Jul 10 22:07:33 Macer: Oh noes! space warz Jul 10 22:07:35 11-17, and 13 was aborted. Jul 10 22:07:37 AakashPatel: haha Jul 10 22:07:45 That would be cool Jul 10 22:07:48 I would fight in that Jul 10 22:07:49 autojack: saw the movie :) Jul 10 22:07:51 same as the treaty tha covers antarctica I think Jul 10 22:07:54 AakashPatel: me too Jul 10 22:07:55 Macer: while you are at wikipeda, look up the Line of Demarcation, which is how spain an dportugal made a treay about unclaimed land in the new world9and portugal got ripped off, hah) Jul 10 22:08:07 b0nn: but that is because of debatable borders Jul 10 22:08:15 there were no other countries on the moon Jul 10 22:08:22 the moon should be free game Jul 10 22:08:27 he definitely says nine times. Jul 10 22:08:29 It's not free game. Jul 10 22:08:37 The mooninites have it. Jul 10 22:08:39 he might have said we went to the moon nine times. which could include the orbital trips. Jul 10 22:08:42 * Macer pictures a war on the moon. with bullets escaping gravity Jul 10 22:08:43 You shall never conquer them. Jul 10 22:08:47 but if you count those you get 10. Jul 10 22:08:48 SHRUG. Jul 10 22:08:56 buleeahn: haha Jul 10 22:08:57 * sparkle_ chuckles Jul 10 22:09:04 we will just throw them out Jul 10 22:09:05 :-D Jul 10 22:09:07 like the native americans Jul 10 22:09:18 shove them into moon desert or something Jul 10 22:11:22 LOL Jul 10 22:11:30 Macer: blahahaha Jul 10 22:11:57 lol Jul 10 22:12:06 In practice, it is a failed treaty since it has not been ratified by any nation which engages in self-launched manned space exploration or has plans to do so (e.g. the United States, Russian Federation, People's Republic of China, Japan, India and Iran) since its creation in 1979, and thus has a negligible effect on actual spaceflight Jul 10 22:12:21 that is not a treaty! hahaha.. Jul 10 22:12:42 nobody realistically has ratified it. you think the US is going to agree to no military presence on celestial bodies? :) Jul 10 22:12:57 the US will never ratify that crap Jul 10 22:13:24 what a bullshit treaty Jul 10 22:13:33 all space exploration that doesn't benefit all the other states Jul 10 22:13:37 banned? Jul 10 22:13:39 lol! Jul 10 22:13:46 LAWL Jul 10 22:13:56 $5 dollar footlongs Jul 10 22:14:16 wikipedia only says six lunar landings Jul 10 22:14:18 congratulations, you discovered subway Jul 10 22:14:40 darweth: KFC haz betta deals lollll Jul 10 22:14:55 Requires that the Secretary-General must be notified of all celestial activities (and discoveries developed thanks to those activities). Jul 10 22:15:03 omg thhis treaty is a friggin joke Jul 10 22:15:25 maybe if we didn't have any countries :) and we were all one worlders under 1 government Jul 10 22:15:33 it would actually work Jul 10 22:15:33 I think the other two landings he was tlaking about were filmefd, but havent been released yet :D Jul 10 22:15:50 b0nn: yeah. those were the 2 where they put nuclear silos on the moon Jul 10 22:15:53 yes it is...the US still says the roswell incident involved a weather balloon Jul 10 22:15:54 against the moon treaty Jul 10 22:16:48 lolll its all a conspiracy! Jul 10 22:16:54 Can you get TMobile service on the moon? Jul 10 22:17:00 Duh Jul 10 22:17:27 Oh wait, no, thats ATT Jul 10 22:17:37 cuz they're raisin da bar Jul 10 22:17:44 As it is unratified by any major space-faring powers and unsigned by most of them, it is of no direct relevance to current space activities. Jul 10 22:17:46 yes, and you get unlimited calls from the dark side of the moon because its always night there Jul 10 22:18:05 Macer: your damn fedex thing aint workin with my zip codes :P Jul 10 22:18:13 my damn fedex? Jul 10 22:18:20 go take the box there lazy bastard Jul 10 22:18:25 there are 289347349374387 fedex shipping places Jul 10 22:18:27 lol Jul 10 22:18:35 Macer: Not here :D Jul 10 22:18:41 ∞ Jul 10 22:18:42 AakashPatel: india? Jul 10 22:18:49 No, Missourah :P Jul 10 22:18:52 oh. just as bad Jul 10 22:18:54 :) Jul 10 22:18:57 Yep lol Jul 10 22:19:08 well. not my fault that you live in the boonies Jul 10 22:19:11 population 50 Jul 10 22:19:30 lol more like 11000 in our town Jul 10 22:19:35 move here to chicago. you can go to u of c with me Jul 10 22:19:42 and we can make better atom bombs Jul 10 22:19:46 lol yea! Jul 10 22:19:57 and we have 3million+ people here Jul 10 22:20:03 went on a first date with a girl from Iowa last night Jul 10 22:20:06 so there are plenty of fedex places Jul 10 22:20:10 oh, isnt u of c the big uni for libertarians? Jul 10 22:20:12 darweth: don't marry her Jul 10 22:20:17 Macer: why not? Jul 10 22:20:23 because girls from iowa are nuts Jul 10 22:20:30 I am dating 3 girls right now. She instantly moved to #1. Jul 10 22:20:31 was she a craigslist girl? Jul 10 22:20:35 AakashPatel: Yeah. Jul 10 22:20:38 you cant find women Jul 10 22:20:41 give up on life Jul 10 22:20:42 are nuts, or /have/ nuts Jul 10 22:20:43 :) Jul 10 22:20:46 How did you know I met her on CL? Jul 10 22:20:47 she will get pregnant on purpose and talk about keeping you from the baby by the 5th month Jul 10 22:20:51 rofl b0nn Jul 10 22:21:13 darweth: ;) Jul 10 22:21:13 I posted an ad for the first time on clist like 3 weeks ago Jul 10 22:21:16 Met 4 people from it so far Jul 10 22:21:17 Cuz that girl was me Jul 10 22:21:19 Liked 2 out of 4 Jul 10 22:21:34 did you pay outright? Jul 10 22:21:41 or did she let you paypal the prostitution money? Jul 10 22:21:42 :) Jul 10 22:21:45 :P Jul 10 22:21:50 lol Jul 10 22:21:54 haah Jul 10 22:21:55 she lets you pay in android apps? Jul 10 22:21:57 I had sex with one of the ones I do not like. Jul 10 22:22:02 LOLS Jul 10 22:22:02 :/ Jul 10 22:22:08 on fedex..."add special services" Jul 10 22:22:10 Not any of the others. Jul 10 22:22:14 hahaha Jul 10 22:22:16 i should write down "give me a bj" Jul 10 22:22:23 lmao Jul 10 22:22:35 wasn't there some CL murderer or something Jul 10 22:22:40 that was killing CL prostituties Jul 10 22:22:46 Yes. Jul 10 22:22:47 prostitutes Jul 10 22:22:51 yea Jul 10 22:22:57 damn.. there's always someone who has to fuck it up for everybody else Jul 10 22:22:57 There are surprisingly some hot girls on CL Jul 10 22:23:04 herpes victims Jul 10 22:23:11 or former porn stars Jul 10 22:23:13 :) Jul 10 22:23:23 better get yourself checked Jul 10 22:23:29 http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v73/67/104/122500672/n122500672_31169312_3926.jpg that is one of the ones I like on the left Jul 10 22:23:46 ewwww Jul 10 22:23:50 the one with the goatie? Jul 10 22:23:53 pfft Jul 10 22:23:57 i can get a hotter girl just winking Jul 10 22:24:11 tru, tru Jul 10 22:24:16 http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs109.snc1/4802_1101034285964_1229896508_30320161_2250596_n.jpg and the iowa one on the left last night Jul 10 22:24:19 the brunette Jul 10 22:24:20 i stand corrected Jul 10 22:24:29 WHAT Jul 10 22:24:30 fatass low self esteem women Jul 10 22:24:32 really????? Jul 10 22:24:34 HOLY SHIT Jul 10 22:24:35 hahaha Jul 10 22:24:40 pfft Jul 10 22:24:45 damn boi Jul 10 22:24:46 I like bigger girls personally Jul 10 22:24:48 get gotter girls Jul 10 22:24:50 oh Jul 10 22:24:58 i can tell if you think that first one was "hot" Jul 10 22:24:59 haha Jul 10 22:25:05 pfft Jul 10 22:25:05 rofl Jul 10 22:25:08 the first one is slim Jul 10 22:25:13 #2 is not Jul 10 22:25:19 o.O Jul 10 22:25:22 AND THE 2ND Jul 10 22:25:23 hahaha Jul 10 22:25:29 iowa girl is chunky Jul 10 22:25:37 damn, in my mind, if they made a p0rno, i wouldnt get hard Jul 10 22:25:41 EEEKEEWEEKEEMEEEEWANTDICKYYYY Jul 10 22:25:42 eesh Jul 10 22:25:45 thats how unhot i think they are lol Jul 10 22:25:47 http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs017.snc1/2545_1050025363964_1025620372_30141349_4263815_n.jpg Jul 10 22:25:49 boom....booom...booom Jul 10 22:25:52 i dont see how you think #1 is not slim Jul 10 22:25:56 she is on the right there Jul 10 22:25:58 you guys have it easy Jul 10 22:25:58 sorry dude Jul 10 22:26:00 she's chunky too Jul 10 22:26:06 ehh Jul 10 22:26:06 you know how hard it is to find a guy online who's not a creep? Jul 10 22:26:06 the blonde looks better than the other oen Jul 10 22:26:10 shes "slightly" better Jul 10 22:26:16 I don't like the blonde Jul 10 22:26:26 sparkle_: just as hard as it is to in real life Jul 10 22:26:26 she is iowa girls roommate Jul 10 22:26:28 :) Jul 10 22:26:31 sparkle_: are you a girl? Jul 10 22:26:33 the roommate is kinda cute Jul 10 22:26:34 how the hell do I decipeher this Provider: gps status: 2extras: Bundle[mParcelledData.dataSize=52] Jul 10 22:26:41 but the brunette is kind of plump Jul 10 22:26:57 didn't someone make #android-offtopic for all this stuff? :) Jul 10 22:26:58 yeah but i prefer plump :) Jul 10 22:27:00 lols i guess i have higher expectations XD Jul 10 22:27:05 no, i just bleed every month for recreation Jul 10 22:27:06 lets go there Jul 10 22:27:17 sparkle_: haha Jul 10 22:27:22 sparkle_: ahahah Jul 10 22:27:23 rofl Jul 10 22:27:23 * sparkle_ <= mom of 3 kids Jul 10 22:27:32 sparkle_: online baby daddies? Jul 10 22:27:33 :) Jul 10 22:27:35 <<--not the father Jul 10 22:27:36 ha Jul 10 22:27:39 lollll Jul 10 22:27:42 http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v128/189/124/500889862/n500889862_120386_9525.jpg there is a pic i used in my ad! Jul 10 22:27:49 darweth: iowa girl is chunky too Jul 10 22:27:56 you weren't joking about liking the larger ones huh? Jul 10 22:27:57 Hi. Does anyone here know of an application that can provide a sort of "update-all-apps" functionality? The market app is fine, but it takes 3 clicks per app to update them, and if you have hundreds installed, that's a pain to do. Jul 10 22:27:58 Macer: I know Iowa girl is chunky. Jul 10 22:28:01 darweth: you can get better woment! Jul 10 22:28:03 But I don't think Canadian is. Jul 10 22:28:04 women* Jul 10 22:28:05 to each their own. there is a guy at work that is into the bigger girls too Jul 10 22:28:06 lol Jul 10 22:28:29 darweth: stick with the online women Jul 10 22:28:34 :P Jul 10 22:28:35 Macer: ...? Jul 10 22:28:35 if they can't find a man without being online they are probably shy Jul 10 22:28:49 oh, good point haha Jul 10 22:28:52 Internet dating is very big in NYC. Jul 10 22:28:53 which is good because that means they probably aren't total slutwhores Jul 10 22:28:57 darweth: ah Jul 10 22:28:59 slutwhores? Jul 10 22:29:05 can't include nyc Jul 10 22:29:08 oh yes grey- Jul 10 22:29:09 where do I find those? Jul 10 22:29:10 1/4 of the women there have herpes Jul 10 22:29:15 lol.. Jul 10 22:29:17 grey-: go outside at 12 at night Jul 10 22:29:20 I thought 1/4 of women in general have herpes? Jul 10 22:29:22 (and men) Jul 10 22:29:23 ninjapiratezombierobotslutwhores Jul 10 22:29:24 right? Jul 10 22:29:26 well like... 80-90% of sexually active adults in this country have HSV. Jul 10 22:29:31 can you guys please stop drowning out the android questions with this gossip? Jul 10 22:29:33 darweth: naw... in nyc 1/4th the women do Jul 10 22:29:36 Hi. Does anyone here know of an application that can provide a sort of "update-all-apps" functionality? The market app is fine, but it takes 3 clicks per app to update them, and if you have hundreds installed, that's a pain to do. Jul 10 22:29:45 grey-: yes, fact. Jul 10 22:29:59 dkr is right .. but there was an actual study about 1/4th nyc women having herpes :) Jul 10 22:30:22 andromodon: good question. Jul 10 22:30:25 i never thought of that. Jul 10 22:30:29 i update them all 1 by 1. Jul 10 22:30:42 andromodon: i do too.. i but i don't have that many apps Jul 10 22:31:18 It sucks when you restore your phone from a backup 6-months ago and you need to upgrade all the programs. Jul 10 22:31:29 I still get annoying ghost updates available, but nothing to update when i get to "my downloads' screen Jul 10 22:31:30 I just want to 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' Jul 10 22:31:31 But for Android. Jul 10 22:31:33 any progress on breaking the new SPL? Jul 10 22:32:08 dkr, that sucks. Jul 10 22:32:15 dkr: sorry about that but have to keep my mind off smoking haha Jul 10 22:32:39 Macer: thanks for warning. i am moving to nyc in a few weeks. :) Jul 10 22:32:48 dkr: lol.. wait... Jul 10 22:33:05 I have lived in NYC for 27 1/2 of my 28 years. Jul 10 22:33:30 oh yes! a free zune Jul 10 22:34:13 I would have bought a Zune long ago if I could have used it in Ubuntu. Jul 10 22:34:22 http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/110934.php Jul 10 22:34:25 I feel the same way about ipods Jul 10 22:34:31 :) Jul 10 22:34:43 darweth: believe it or not i had one Jul 10 22:34:46 it was pretty awesome Jul 10 22:34:52 I don't have HSV 1 or HSV 2. Jul 10 22:34:55 although the software totally sucked.. but the zune itself... Jul 10 22:34:58 darweth: not yet Jul 10 22:35:02 I had a blood test for herpes 2 months ago. Jul 10 22:35:06 :) wait til you get to nyc and meet some slutwhores Jul 10 22:35:07 Both strains. Jul 10 22:35:10 they are everywhere in nyc Jul 10 22:35:15 Macer: I live here. :P Jul 10 22:35:18 oh Jul 10 22:35:22 then you're just not going outside much Jul 10 22:35:23 haha Jul 10 22:35:28 haha Jul 10 22:35:38 bbl Jul 10 22:37:12 fuck the emulator is pissing me off Jul 10 22:37:31 one minute it's happy with gps, then two days later, with no code touched, it falls to bits Jul 10 22:37:57 now, I cannot update gps locations at all Jul 10 22:38:23 aww its a 30GB one Jul 10 22:39:17 well phooey. You can't record what's playing at the earphone Jul 10 22:39:23 so much for an audible voicemail recorder Jul 10 22:40:11 lol Jul 10 22:40:57 I suppose something that faked a bluetooth handset interface could do it Jul 10 22:41:04 but that means extra hardware Jul 10 22:47:37 only 30GB! Jul 10 22:47:39 :( Jul 10 23:04:35 Uncaught handler: thread Thread-10 exiting due to uncaught exception Jul 10 23:04:35 java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException Jul 10 23:04:35 at java.net.Inet4Address.getHostAddress(Inet4Address.java:238) Jul 10 23:04:35 at java.net.Socket.checkDestination(Socket.java:333) Jul 10 23:04:35 at java.net.Socket.connect(Socket.java:1006) Jul 10 23:04:38 awesome Jul 10 23:05:12 well. chrome really isn't that bad Jul 10 23:05:33 i've been using it for a couple of days now and it actually is faster than most other things i have tried Jul 10 23:06:43 Macer: on what os? Jul 10 23:08:02 any of you know how to resize an ext3 partition on the g1 sdcard? Jul 10 23:09:07 Macarse_: Linux? Jul 10 23:10:52 xp Jul 10 23:10:53 heh Jul 10 23:10:57 chromium for osx sucks balls Jul 10 23:11:11 well . i haven't tried it in a long while Jul 10 23:11:27 i knwo the dreamweaver crap was just wine w/ w32 chrome.. but the native one needed a ton of work Jul 10 23:11:30 I have nothing against Safari. Jul 10 23:11:43 i don't either. i think safari is pretty good Jul 10 23:11:52 i hate osx though :) haha Jul 10 23:11:55 what's a good app for openstreetmap? that you may let caching for a certain area Jul 10 23:12:05 my macbook is waiting on a buyer Jul 10 23:12:12 for $450 Jul 10 23:12:14 lol Jul 10 23:12:18 mm Jul 10 23:12:24 i kinda like os x Jul 10 23:12:25 i got it for $500 so i can't say that 450 is that much of a loss Jul 10 23:12:31 except the builtin window manager Jul 10 23:12:39 i've never owned an Apple product Jul 10 23:12:44 it ticks of me off to no end Jul 10 23:12:45 But most people I know have macs Jul 10 23:12:46 sparkle_: yeah.. their wm sucks Jul 10 23:13:04 i suppose their userspace is ok if you were to use it as a server.. but i'd rather use opensolaris :) Jul 10 23:13:16 * sparkle_ nods Jul 10 23:13:21 apple was SUPPOSED to release with zfs.. but they took it out for some reason or another Jul 10 23:13:33 which is why a snow leopard upgrade is only supposed to cost like $30 or something Jul 10 23:13:44 Macer: "supposed" Jul 10 23:13:46 probably because zfs sucks Jul 10 23:13:54 spikebike: lol Jul 10 23:14:00 would apple let you even know if they were "SUPPOSED" to do ANYTHING? Jul 10 23:14:07 even if it did .. which it sure in hell doesn't.. :) Jul 10 23:14:07 they got a good sniff, got a huge number of complaints Jul 10 23:14:08 I luvz my mac Jul 10 23:14:09 :) Jul 10 23:14:13 anything .... ANYTHING.. is better than hfs Jul 10 23:14:22 lol Jul 10 23:14:30 lol, Apple has killer QA and and even better PR / Marketing. They wont let you know anything till it's ready to ship. Jul 10 23:14:43 * spikebike saw a $300k server/storage system run WAY WAY WAY slower than the sparc+sol9 system it replaced Jul 10 23:14:52 the 5 year old system was something like 4x faster Jul 10 23:15:01 unix_lappy: i suppose that is true Jul 10 23:15:25 spikebike: a 300K farm replaced by one solaris box? Jul 10 23:15:28 spikebike: complaints with zfs? :) Jul 10 23:15:35 bad administration Jul 10 23:15:36 haha Jul 10 23:15:39 no a 300k farm replaced with a 300k farm Jul 10 23:15:45 5 years newer Jul 10 23:15:48 oh Jul 10 23:16:09 doesn't ms use solaris? Jul 10 23:16:11 heh Jul 10 23:16:19 lol they do? Jul 10 23:16:22 like.. in house as servers Jul 10 23:16:26 i'll complain about zfs but not very much Jul 10 23:16:33 sparkle_: i wouldn't either Jul 10 23:16:42 although the built in kernel level cifs could use some work Jul 10 23:16:47 but for that sort of things samba is a better choice anyways Jul 10 23:16:58 unless you just want to down and dirty share files Jul 10 23:17:12 multiwriter support would be very nice though it's understandable why they left the overhead out Jul 10 23:17:13 I suspect a 128 bit filesystem on 64 bit CPUs isn't such a good idea Jul 10 23:17:18 quotas would be very nice Jul 10 23:17:30 I have always been peeved at the way they were deliberately left out Jul 10 23:17:33 after all 2^65 bits worth of ZFS blocks takes more disks then the planet will produce for many years Jul 10 23:17:56 sparkle_: you can set quotas Jul 10 23:17:57 :) Jul 10 23:18:00 hrmpf, have to bolt Jul 10 23:18:04 not user quotas :p Jul 10 23:18:07 or group quotas Jul 10 23:18:15 you can set zfs quotas Jul 10 23:18:25 not user quotas or group quotas Jul 10 23:18:29 is there an echo in here? Jul 10 23:18:33 :-P Jul 10 23:18:37 :P Jul 10 23:18:48 it may not seem like a big deal but it's a big thing in academia, etc Jul 10 23:18:58 where you have bunches of shared project areas Jul 10 23:19:14 and you don't want any particular user to completely run amok with a bad app Jul 10 23:19:39 it could use better task management ala vxtask Jul 10 23:20:00 ZFS user quota support and the corresponding rquotad support did not Jul 10 23:20:00 integrate until build 114 so you would need to first install 2009.06 Jul 10 23:20:00 then switch to the http://pkg.opensolaris.org/dev repository and 'pkg Jul 10 23:20:02 image-update' Jul 10 23:21:12 heh Jul 10 23:21:45 cool Jul 10 23:22:00 i knew they were working on it, i didn't know they finally got it into mainline Jul 10 23:22:05 Cindy does an excellent job of keeping the ZFS Admin Guide up to date. Jul 10 23:22:06 http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/docs/zfsadmin.pdf Jul 10 23:22:09 See the section titled "Setting User or Group Quotas on a ZFS File System" Jul 10 23:24:17 very cool, thanks Jul 10 23:25:12 the learning must go on! Jul 10 23:25:17 :) Jul 10 23:25:19 never stops Jul 10 23:25:21 42 hours without a cigarette Jul 10 23:25:36 6 more hours and i'm home free as far as nicotine in my system goes Jul 10 23:25:45 that's the easy part Jul 10 23:25:48 lol Jul 10 23:25:50 easy?! Jul 10 23:25:51 the hard part is the 6 months after :p Jul 10 23:25:53 yeah Jul 10 23:25:54 easy Jul 10 23:25:59 i'm about t ogo into a corner and cry Jul 10 23:26:00 :) Jul 10 23:26:07 ever heard, "quitting's easy, i've done it so many times..." Jul 10 23:26:11 lol Jul 10 23:26:26 no not really. because if you start again you haven't quit Jul 10 23:26:27 :) Jul 10 23:26:31 you paused Jul 10 23:26:43 like that guy Jul 10 23:26:49 heh Jul 10 23:26:52 so if i stop working for a year and then start again i never really quit? ;) Jul 10 23:27:02 touche.. fair point Jul 10 23:27:21 if you go back to the same job then no :) Jul 10 23:27:22 haha Jul 10 23:27:34 but i get your point Jul 10 23:27:38 i never look back, dahlink, it distracts from the now. Jul 10 23:28:04 well.. i have t ocharge up this aspire1 for work tonight Jul 10 23:28:22 later Jul 10 23:47:06 anyone here running the nk02 ion for magic? Jul 10 23:53:10 hello androidzers Jul 10 23:56:01 anyone here? Jul 10 23:56:12 yes Jul 10 23:56:55 Cool Jul 10 23:57:27 I am trying to pull a small tutorial now to install AmonRa and roms and stuff Jul 10 23:57:56 Because what I have read about it was quite confusing Jul 10 23:58:05 I will try to make something clearer Jul 10 23:58:11 ask and ppl might answer Jul 10 23:58:23 wait for a few minutes Jul 10 23:58:35 Drakonen: I went through it successfully, I just wanna share my experience Jul 11 00:00:51 zelrikriando: have u tried the nk02 ion rom? Jul 11 00:01:03 no Jul 11 00:04:50 hey folks, how usable is Hero on the G1? Jul 11 00:05:17 there are many hero roms Jul 11 00:05:59 yes, but i've read things about wifi/bluetooth not working? Jul 11 00:07:09 right, some roms were released with broken wifi/bluetooth Jul 11 00:07:38 ahh okay Jul 11 00:07:49 do you have any recommendations for the most usable release? Jul 11 00:08:11 there is usually lots of feedback on forum posts when people release roms Jul 11 00:08:16 mmk Jul 11 00:11:09 ObsidianX: Don't bother. Jul 11 00:11:17 What do you want with Hero? Jul 11 00:11:20 It will not run as well. Jul 11 00:11:31 General performance/speed, I mean. Jul 11 00:11:41 It will be a toy you will play with for a week. Don't waste your time. :) Jul 11 00:16:03 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=475917 Jul 11 00:16:06 great theme Jul 11 00:21:49 wtf Jul 11 00:22:00 just noticed there is no "equal" sign on the keyboard lmao Jul 11 00:22:14 shit nvm lool Jul 11 00:22:22 which keyboard? O_O Jul 11 00:22:58 lol found it... im using XT9 Jul 11 00:27:30 exit Jul 11 00:29:11 darweth: no good, eh? Jul 11 00:34:40 Hi Jul 11 00:34:53 Just wondering, is it possible to brick the G1? Jul 11 00:34:58 yes. Jul 11 00:35:20 if you can still use fastboot then it's not bricked Jul 11 00:35:49 yeah... Jul 11 00:36:00 best way to brick is to try reflashing htc spl and pop the battery probably. ;) Jul 11 00:36:03 Oh OK, Im just reading around about flashing roms Jul 11 00:36:19 you can only brick your phone by flashing SPL Jul 11 00:36:28 and was wondering if there was some sort of recovery code built into the g1 Jul 11 00:36:29 roms are safe, just make a backup of your current one first Jul 11 00:36:39 ah OK, so you can't brick by flashing rom? Jul 11 00:37:16 yeah, if there's a problem with the OS then you can just flash another OS onto it Jul 11 00:37:27 but when you flash the SPL, you're modifying the bootloader Jul 11 00:37:32 so if something goes wrong then it can't boot at all Jul 11 00:37:52 i love older science fiction movies. like in the 70s and 80s Jul 11 00:37:56 because they had to really work for it Jul 11 00:38:13 i'm watching 2010 Jul 11 00:38:33 thanks jmaurice, I was thinking thats what they had setup but just wanted to confirm. I don't actually own a G1, im still deciding between dream and magic. Jul 11 00:39:33 depending on what country you're in, if you buy a retail device, you might get the new SPL which isn't hackable (yet) Jul 11 00:40:00 Im in Canada and would probably buy from Rogers Jul 11 00:40:08 Would they lock you out from flashing the rom though? Jul 11 00:40:40 the magic just released in usa by t-mobile and in japan by docomo have an SPL which doesn't let you do anything Jul 11 00:41:05 Hmmmm Jul 11 00:41:24 I suppose id have to pay to unlock it? Jul 11 00:41:24 heh Jul 11 00:41:47 Pay to unlock a phone that you already own... Jul 11 00:42:03 pay who? nobody has hacked the new SPL yet Jul 11 00:42:18 uh oh. they are closing in on jupiter Jul 11 00:42:23 Oh right Jul 11 00:42:34 can't you just get the unlock code from someone using the imei? Jul 11 00:42:38 Thats what I thought Jul 11 00:42:48 there are a few places on the internet that do that Jul 11 00:42:54 but I guess flashing the phone is different from changing carriers Jul 11 00:42:55 for like $20 or something like that Jul 11 00:43:07 oh. flashing the phone isn't "unlocking" it Jul 11 00:43:08 heh Jul 11 00:43:15 yeah Jul 11 00:43:16 unlocking usually refers to changing providers Jul 11 00:43:22 Thats what I just realized. Jul 11 00:43:51 Any reports of Dreams being locked up? Jul 11 00:43:55 or just the magic? Jul 11 00:44:16 don't know Jul 11 00:44:17 i have a g1 ;) Jul 11 00:44:19 heh Jul 11 00:44:31 Yeah im trying to decide between the two Jul 11 00:45:02 g1 has a keyboard, but seems to be a lot thicker Jul 11 00:45:31 i'd rather have the kb ;) Jul 11 00:45:38 i can't stand on screen typing Jul 11 00:46:07 Macer: do you find the keyboard easy to type on? Ive been reading the buttons are too recessed Jul 11 00:46:08 only reason it's good on the g1 is for quick stuff but i always flip it open Jul 11 00:46:19 i've never had a major problem with it Jul 11 00:46:28 i know i used to have an n800 which required using a stylus to type on the screen Jul 11 00:46:35 the on screen kb in cupcake is kind of a pain Jul 11 00:46:39 and the flip mechinism is quite solid? Jul 11 00:46:52 good enough. :) Jul 11 00:47:00 it's a little flimsy of a design for my taste but solid enough Jul 11 00:47:06 NotKeyboard is excellent!!!!!!! Jul 11 00:47:09 thanks for the info, ill bbl to talk more Jul 11 00:47:11 I mean keyboard is excellent but Jul 11 00:47:16 need to make up my mind Jul 11 00:47:16 :P Jul 11 00:47:19 There is a HTC IME keyboard which is excellent too Jul 11 00:47:22 I barely open my G1 anymore Jul 11 00:47:30 darweth: really Jul 11 00:47:33 Yes. Jul 11 00:47:35 heh Jul 11 00:47:38 i hate teh on screen one Jul 11 00:47:42 The HTC one? Jul 11 00:47:43 Or Cupcake? Jul 11 00:47:45 cupcake Jul 11 00:47:49 didn't know htc had one haha Jul 11 00:47:51 Cupcake one sucks compared to HTC. Jul 11 00:47:58 You can download the .apk and install it Jul 11 00:48:08 does it replace the cupcake one? Jul 11 00:48:10 No. Jul 11 00:48:12 darweth: hmm, url? Jul 11 00:48:16 You have to then go to locale and deactive cupcake Jul 11 00:48:17 so how do i get rid of the cupcake one? Jul 11 00:48:22 and activate htc Jul 11 00:48:27 ah Jul 11 00:48:29 i see Jul 11 00:48:32 have a link for it? Jul 11 00:48:35 with instructions? Jul 11 00:48:35 let me see, hold on Jul 11 00:48:36 :) Jul 11 00:48:42 i'm down to change it Jul 11 00:49:05 http://www.droiddeveloper.com/hrbuilds/htc_ime.zip Jul 11 00:49:12 well, i installed it like this Jul 11 00:49:17 i downloaded ASTRO file manager for free Jul 11 00:49:25 navigated to where I had the .apk on my sd card and just installed it Jul 11 00:49:26 That is it Jul 11 00:49:47 well. i'm running cupcake Jul 11 00:49:51 Yeah, me too. Jul 11 00:49:53 so i'm sure i'll have to disable the onscreen stuff Jul 11 00:49:54 I am not rooted. Jul 11 00:50:05 so you just ran the apk Jul 11 00:50:07 and it just worked Jul 11 00:50:10 Yeah. Jul 11 00:50:11 and disabled the cupcake one? Jul 11 00:50:16 Go into Locale and unclick cupcake Jul 11 00:50:21 The HTC one is called Touch Input or something Jul 11 00:50:27 locale? Jul 11 00:50:36 i never messed with the locale settinsg.. let me see... Jul 11 00:50:39 settings ---> locale and text Jul 11 00:50:47 unclick android keyboard Jul 11 00:50:50 click touch input Jul 11 00:51:01 word Jul 11 00:51:02 heh Jul 11 00:51:04 let me try it out Jul 11 00:51:09 dont worry, nothing happens to android keyboard Jul 11 00:51:12 lol Jul 11 00:51:16 i hardly use it anyways Jul 11 00:51:16 you can uninstall the HTC if you dont like it Jul 11 00:51:20 it is 5mbs unfortunately Jul 11 00:51:26 damn that big? Jul 11 00:51:27 that's huge :) Jul 11 00:51:30 yeah Jul 11 00:51:32 but it is great Jul 11 00:51:46 especially if you go to settings and enable word correction and autocorrect Jul 11 00:51:49 holy shit, you will see Jul 11 00:53:01 I second the htc keyboard.. couldn't live without it Jul 11 00:54:47 bah, how do i disable App2SD in cyanogenmod? Jul 11 00:54:55 i can't remove my sd card without freezing the systejm Jul 11 01:05:22 * GenericNode eye's Leeds. Jul 11 01:05:37 is Radix_ here Jul 11 01:05:55 uhm Jul 11 01:05:57 whois Jul 11 01:09:05 yeah.. kinda sorta Jul 11 01:09:28 I'm awake but heading off soon Jul 11 01:09:50 Radix of Karagarga. Jul 11 01:09:57 ok Jul 11 01:10:01 yeah that is a better keyboard Jul 11 01:10:07 although the word suggestions on the top block where you are typing Jul 11 01:11:09 That is true. Jul 11 01:11:12 Lol Jul 11 01:11:16 Radix_: can you give me that link where the rom is from again Jul 11 01:11:21 The Hero one Jul 11 01:11:34 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=534464 Jul 11 01:11:46 bookmark it Jul 11 01:11:47 it's pretty awesome tho compared to the default cupcake one Jul 11 01:11:53 takes a lot of screen space tho :) Jul 11 01:12:02 ok. time for me to get ready to go. thanks for the kb darweth Jul 11 01:12:24 oh sorry, confused radiz with radzism Jul 11 01:12:27 radix Jul 11 01:29:46 yo Jul 11 01:30:42 KNY: ping? Jul 11 01:32:48 rawr Jul 11 01:32:52 warewolf Jul 11 01:32:53 ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. Jul 11 01:32:54 hehe Jul 11 01:33:05 lmao Jul 11 01:33:30 * AakashPatel huggles Gryphon, hoping he is a girl Jul 11 01:33:34 * Gryphon huggles AakashPatel, hoping he is a girl Jul 11 01:33:42 o.o Jul 11 01:33:43 woah Jul 11 01:34:05 Radix_: I have made an attempt at sharing what I did here : http://wiki.club-ubuntu.org/index.php/Android_tutorials Jul 11 01:34:11 Radix_: tell me what you think of it Jul 11 01:34:18 lol hoping HE is a girl Jul 11 01:35:48 nope he's a boy :D Jul 11 01:35:53 :| Jul 11 01:36:04 * AakashPatel just huggled a guy Jul 11 01:36:19 wtf, is this #android-chat haha Jul 11 01:36:52 wtf "Black in america", they should make "Asian in america" Jul 11 01:39:33 actually anyone is welcomed to look at http://wiki.club-ubuntu.org/index.php/Android_tutorials and tell me if something is wrong with it Jul 11 01:40:01 fine lol Jul 11 01:40:22 oh, magic Jul 11 01:40:26 That was my attempt at sharing my experience Jul 11 01:40:26 idk about that one XD Jul 11 01:40:48 It's a first draft Jul 11 01:40:58 I did it because I found the other stuff confusing Jul 11 01:41:39 wtf Jul 11 01:41:42 club ubuntu? Jul 11 01:41:50 lol ubuntu != android ;) Jul 11 01:42:08 AakashPatel: that's the only place I found :p Jul 11 01:42:20 + this is a ubuntu tutorial because perfomed on ubuntu Jul 11 01:42:38 lol Jul 11 01:42:46 The tutorial might move around later Jul 11 01:42:49 zelrikriando: android-dls.com Jul 11 01:42:56 the wiki there Jul 11 01:42:59 ok Jul 11 01:43:54 warewolf, what's up? Jul 11 01:44:05 rawr! Jul 11 01:44:13 lulz Jul 11 01:47:58 AakashPatel: you have an acount on the android-dls wiki? Jul 11 01:48:06 nope Jul 11 01:48:08 ok Jul 11 01:48:16 I am lazy to move my stuff over there :p Jul 11 01:48:39 KNY: you're the GV android app dev, right? Jul 11 01:49:16 * AakashPatel is slightly ;) Jul 11 01:50:17 * AakashPatel | *cough* the about window, oh yes, thats my name Jul 11 01:51:27 hi Jul 11 01:51:47 yo Jul 11 01:52:08 warewolf: and yea he is Jul 11 01:52:38 sooo, i got another 2400 mah battery in the mail this week. let me tell ya, these things make the g1 not suck soooo much more ! Jul 11 01:53:09 why did you get another one? Jul 11 01:54:05 the first one was mis-delivered, so the seller sent a 2nd one, air over-night-whatever from hong kong Jul 11 01:58:18 ah Jul 11 01:58:53 so, i played / gps / shot video alll weekend. didn't miss a beat Jul 11 01:59:30 of course, using a shoddy cell tower on top of a mountain sucked for mail/stuff :( Jul 11 02:02:10 so any new awesome roms working on rogers magics? Jul 11 02:03:24 jpa-fml: hey, you didnt try the Hero rom did you Jul 11 02:03:54 ahhh the fatal1ty rom? Jul 11 02:03:57 that was you linking me to that right? Jul 11 02:03:58 yeah Jul 11 02:04:02 yeah have it running right now :) Jul 11 02:04:04 i like it Jul 11 02:04:13 but cant get tethering to work Jul 11 02:04:17 ohgood2: have you tried the seido one? Jul 11 02:04:20 the hero rom on the g1 is too unstable/slow Jul 11 02:04:28 well i mean.. i can tether via usb network sharing.. but only html browsing works... cant connect to irc or msn or anything Jul 11 02:04:45 warewolf: yeah ive heard that too... i was really surprised though at how crisp the hero rom on magic runs Jul 11 02:04:50 even with a bunch of widgets there's only very slight delay for me Jul 11 02:05:00 jpa-fml: I have a dream :( Jul 11 02:05:11 The Canadian Magic spoils us Jul 11 02:05:13 :p Jul 11 02:05:13 jpa-fml: the dream has 96mb less ram than the hero Jul 11 02:05:23 warewolf: bummer dude... i got that one first, but returned it for the magic Jul 11 02:05:37 warewolf: yeah i know.. i realized that after i bought the dream.. so i exchanged it Jul 11 02:05:40 that 96mb actually makes a difference Jul 11 02:05:45 nod Jul 11 02:05:51 I'm about to try the cryogen rom now Jul 11 02:05:55 plus i think whatever RAM may be needed for the physical keyboard slows it down a bit too Jul 11 02:05:56 omfg, imeems ads Jul 11 02:06:04 right in the middle of music Jul 11 02:06:09 zelrikriando: is the fatal1ty one the only hero rom you've tried thus far? Jul 11 02:06:10 oh I won't ever get rid of the physical keyboard. Jul 11 02:06:17 jpa-fml: yeah Jul 11 02:06:21 that's the one thing that is really making me keep the phone Jul 11 02:06:29 warewolf: have you treid the HTC IME? Jul 11 02:06:41 warewolf: yeah it was sorta hard for me to part with it after getting used to it... but ive definitely gotten accustomed to the virtual keyboard Jul 11 02:06:44 especially with HTC IME Jul 11 02:06:44 jpa-fml: I am happy with it, so I ll keep it for a while Jul 11 02:06:46 i love that keyboard Jul 11 02:06:56 zelrikriando: same here... have you tried any others? Jul 11 02:07:02 no Jul 11 02:07:24 I think the Hero interface is the sleekier one up to now Jul 11 02:07:33 zelrikriando: agreed Jul 11 02:07:45 I like the e-mail client widget, and the seven-wide home screen Jul 11 02:07:49 I cum just by looking at my phone Jul 11 02:07:55 tmi Jul 11 02:08:45 yay Jul 11 02:08:48 imeem is down Jul 11 02:09:07 zelrikriando: haha yeah same Jul 11 02:09:07 so sexy Jul 11 02:09:22 i just wish i could tether as easily as with an iphone Jul 11 02:09:24 plug it on.. and turn tethering on Jul 11 02:09:29 nevermind all this port-forwarding through dos Jul 11 02:09:30 i like the look of the magic much more than the hero Jul 11 02:09:33 the physical unit, i mean Jul 11 02:09:49 darweth: i agree... the hero looks a bit too... epxerimental ? Jul 11 02:10:03 i like the samsung the least though. Jul 11 02:10:05 how? Jul 11 02:10:08 jpa-fml: Jul 11 02:10:18 * warewolf just wants a phone that works well Jul 11 02:10:22 htc hero physical design is basically the same as the htc dream without a keyboard Jul 11 02:10:24 it looks futuristic Jul 11 02:10:35 the OS does Jul 11 02:10:36 yea, but that one is metally ;) Jul 11 02:10:36 but the phone looks.... like an HTC Dream w/o a keyoard Jul 11 02:10:47 metal wins! Jul 11 02:10:49 does anyone know if the hardware sense bug (the 3-in-1 adapter) got fixed anywhere? Jul 11 02:10:52 wel i don't think i will update from the G1 anytime soon. Maybe if that Sony hits USA shores and TMobile. Jul 11 02:11:06 oh really? yuck Jul 11 02:11:12 ill never trust a sony ericsson product Jul 11 02:11:45 pure trash Jul 11 02:11:55 I love my Sony Walkman MP3 player. Jul 11 02:11:56 o.o Jul 11 02:12:09 Or audio player, rather. Jul 11 02:12:27 err i meant sony ericcsons mobile phones Jul 11 02:12:27 i dont know about other products Jul 11 02:12:41 but every SE phone ive ever touched Jul 11 02:12:41 was pure crap Jul 11 02:13:47 i bought a sony vaio, $2100 17" laptop...the hinges broke :) Jul 11 02:14:03 just from opening it Jul 11 02:14:41 uhm, sony's laptops are all way way overpriced anyway Jul 11 02:14:51 no reason at all to buy one :/ Jul 11 02:15:11 true Jul 11 02:15:12 zinx: lol you know the funny part? i wnet out on bought a macbook pro XD Jul 11 02:15:22 I don't understand paying that much money for a consumer grade laptop Jul 11 02:15:59 same here Jul 11 02:16:00 but this MBP is great Jul 11 02:16:05 i dont care what you guys say lol Jul 11 02:16:23 and you're probably made of money too, so $2100 was like $40 for the rest of us Jul 11 02:16:23 :P Jul 11 02:16:37 haha Jul 11 02:16:39 nah Jul 11 02:16:42 my parents XD Jul 11 02:16:44 your last name is patel yes? Jul 11 02:16:48 rofl Jul 11 02:16:54 is your father a surgeon or astrophysicist? Jul 11 02:16:57 no Jul 11 02:17:04 ;) Jul 11 02:17:09 :P Jul 11 02:17:11 im just playing Jul 11 02:17:18 lol i know i know Jul 11 02:17:18 warewolf, whatever you were asking me earlier, just /msg me Jul 11 02:17:21 he's an astrosurgeon Jul 11 02:17:22 yay, casual racism! Jul 11 02:17:28 haha Jul 11 02:17:30 lmfao zinx Jul 11 02:17:30 fun for all the Klan Jul 11 02:17:32 KNY: oh Jul 11 02:17:39 KNY: why isn't the GV app available for 1.1? Jul 11 02:17:47 cuz i sucks ballz Jul 11 02:17:47 warewolf, because it uses AsyncTask Jul 11 02:17:54 wtf Jul 11 02:17:56 wait a min Jul 11 02:17:59 cuz IT sucks ballz Jul 11 02:18:03 nah it's not really casual racism.. since i moved to montreal, almost all of my friends are pakistani, indian, pounjab, etc Jul 11 02:18:06 whatever you say, AakashPatel Jul 11 02:18:11 astaphirullah Jul 11 02:18:28 KNY: :P im joking, hell you think i would submit patches if it sucked Jul 11 02:18:29 KNY: ah ok. I was just checking if it was "becaue I set it that way in eclipse, why, do you need a 1.1 version?" Jul 11 02:18:37 i work with like 12 people who's last name is Patel Jul 11 02:18:40 and none of them are related Jul 11 02:18:41 :) Jul 11 02:18:43 lol Jul 11 02:18:57 warewolf, more like "why do you need a 1.1 version?" without the comma Jul 11 02:19:06 lol Jul 11 02:19:07 im not lying either :) Jul 11 02:19:08 i love them all Jul 11 02:19:11 but yeah Jul 11 02:19:12 KNY: he'z retro Jul 11 02:19:16 sorry ill let it go Jul 11 02:19:17 im just high Jul 11 02:19:19 jpa-fml: now you luv 13 of em XD Jul 11 02:19:23 haha Jul 11 02:20:11 KNY: I have a bit of hatred for the tmob official (and derived works thereof) 1.5 rom :/ Jul 11 02:20:25 warewolf, ADP ROM Jul 11 02:20:29 JF 1.5 FTW Jul 11 02:20:33 well Jul 11 02:20:43 what's the consensus on what is THE best rom ? Jul 11 02:20:46 for magic Jul 11 02:20:56 hero XD Jul 11 02:20:57 the adp rom is missing all the tmob IM stuff, which while I rarely ever use I would like to keep. Jul 11 02:21:08 warewolf: psshh Jul 11 02:21:18 warewolf, the tmob IM stuff goes over SMS. I don't know if that bothers you, but it should be mentioned Jul 11 02:21:24 well, it doesn't go over sms, but they bill like it does Jul 11 02:21:27 KNY: unlimited sms Jul 11 02:21:29 ah Jul 11 02:21:38 I use meebo Jul 11 02:21:47 and gtalk Jul 11 02:21:59 gtalk is all I need Jul 11 02:22:22 gtalk *would* be all I need if I could find a !@#$ jabber->aol gateway Jul 11 02:22:22 well i use SMS 99% of the time Jul 11 02:22:45 KNY: would that work on att also? Jul 11 02:22:47 or only tmo? Jul 11 02:22:50 if i used that rom? Jul 11 02:22:55 AakashPatel, haven't the foggiest idea Jul 11 02:22:55 i pretty much don't have a voice plan.... just txts & data Jul 11 02:23:07 hm...someone test it now lol Jul 11 02:23:09 i have 1000 mins.... Jul 11 02:23:14 i used 60 last month... Jul 11 02:23:14 :/ Jul 11 02:23:19 lol Jul 11 02:23:22 300 min here Jul 11 02:23:23 I have 300 haha Jul 11 02:23:30 free nights and weekends though Jul 11 02:23:35 darweth: haha same here Jul 11 02:23:38 lol Jul 11 02:23:40 I wrote a perl script to process the tmob myfaves contacts.db to rip out the call log to see how efficiently I'm using my minutes Jul 11 02:23:47 I'm wasting GOBS of partial minutes Jul 11 02:23:50 <--- has 600 a /month, uses 60-90 Jul 11 02:24:00 warewolf, Phonalyzer should support that Jul 11 02:24:02 text ? blah Jul 11 02:24:03 (IMO) Jul 11 02:24:09 KNY: I wanted to write my own :) Jul 11 02:24:14 this is probably an asshole thing to ask since a lot of you are likely developers... but like..... is there a way to get paid market apps.... for free? heh Jul 11 02:24:17 i used 12,000 SMS msgs last month. heh. Jul 11 02:24:27 12K? what the hell man? Jul 11 02:24:34 holy shit Jul 11 02:24:37 well, 6000 sent and 6000 received. Jul 11 02:24:39 you must NEVER open your mouth Jul 11 02:24:39 ever Jul 11 02:24:44 you're nuts Jul 11 02:24:45 approx Jul 11 02:24:46 LOL 1558 mins....10 used Jul 11 02:24:48 just always moving your thumbs Jul 11 02:25:02 i thought i was bad actually using my full 2500 that are with my plan Jul 11 02:25:09 heh Jul 11 02:25:21 i sit on my pc and still SMS when that person is on AIM or GTalk Jul 11 02:25:35 haha ya Jul 11 02:25:40 its a reason to actually use the $100+ phone Jul 11 02:25:41 :) Jul 11 02:25:50 $100+ lucky Jul 11 02:25:59 I suppose mine was $100+ too Jul 11 02:26:07 my bill is $120 a month XD Jul 11 02:26:11 my magic was $99.99 Jul 11 02:26:15 AakashPatel, $70 here Jul 11 02:26:17 $35 admin fee tho :( Jul 11 02:26:26 jpa-fml, damn. I paid $400 for my G1 :( Jul 11 02:26:31 wtf Jul 11 02:26:35 no contract? Jul 11 02:26:38 $108 a month here Jul 11 02:26:45 yeah, and before they announced the ADP Jul 11 02:26:52 man was I pissed when I saw that announcement Jul 11 02:27:01 should be $98 but i got the stupid 1000 minute plan Jul 11 02:27:06 wow Jul 11 02:27:17 i got the G1 for $97 via Amazon Jul 11 02:27:31 i actually bought the HTC Dream when it came out on rogers for $149.99.. used it for two weeks and returned it Jul 11 02:27:36 by which time the magic went to $99.99 :) Jul 11 02:27:37 w00t Jul 11 02:27:41 KNY: hehe i paid 400 for my adp1 Jul 11 02:27:43 heheehe Jul 11 02:27:48 I was ~8 months into my 1-year contract and they wouldn't let me get a 2-year contract. Shit was pretty weak Jul 11 02:27:59 wow man Jul 11 02:28:01 what provider? Jul 11 02:28:05 t-mobile Jul 11 02:28:05 haha Jul 11 02:28:12 oh man Jul 11 02:28:24 lovely. Jul 11 02:28:34 whatever, I'm up really soon (or am now, I forget) so I could get the myTouch Jul 11 02:28:41 my phone is looping on the cryogen rom trying to dexopt framework.jar Jul 11 02:28:43 except they dropped the RAM so I might tell them to cram it Jul 11 02:28:44 its funny how people in canada try to say shit like "t-mobile gives awesome deals for their customers in the US man.. Rogers is ripping Canada off bigtime with this shit.. I want better deals" Jul 11 02:28:48 W/dalvikvm( 5227): partial write in inflate (28632 vs 32768) Jul 11 02:28:48 claiming you guys get unlimited data for $25 Jul 11 02:28:48 E/dalvikvm( 5227): Unable to extract+optimize DEX from '/system/framework/framework.jar' Jul 11 02:28:52 D/dalvikvm( 5227): Failed on '/system/framework/framework.jar' (boot=1) Jul 11 02:28:54 jpa-fml, we do Jul 11 02:28:56 meaning 5gb on rogers is $85 Jul 11 02:28:56 Better to wait for the Autumn Tmobile Android phones Jul 11 02:28:59 Whatever they might be Jul 11 02:29:04 except for limited time. 6gb for $30 Jul 11 02:29:06 darweth, yeah Jul 11 02:29:07 w00t for that too Jul 11 02:29:24 k wait Jul 11 02:29:25 Phones will actually come with harddrive space in the autumn Jul 11 02:29:26 haha Jul 11 02:29:30 unlimited 3g data for $25? Jul 11 02:29:36 jpa-fml, yes Jul 11 02:29:40 jpa-fml: US definition of unlimited Jul 11 02:29:42 crazy Jul 11 02:29:43 i wish Jul 11 02:29:47 jpa-fml: but, yes Jul 11 02:29:51 darweth, I'm hoping for this: Jul 11 02:29:53 oops Jul 11 02:29:55 http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/16/huawei-u8230-android-phone-officially-launched-at-communicasia/ Jul 11 02:30:09 jpa-fml: they won't let you get it without a voice plan, though Jul 11 02:30:11 Had good idea: Jul 11 02:30:16 KNY: lol i read that as communistasia Jul 11 02:30:44 An application to scan those store-specific discount cards, and then keep the data on your phone to later be used without needing to carry the actual cards Jul 11 02:30:56 ivantis, god damn you, I was going to do that for ADC2! Jul 11 02:30:57 KNY: yeah. well, that phone wins so far for looks at least. :) Jul 11 02:31:07 wow i used 5.4gb of my 6gb last month Jul 11 02:31:16 love tethering on that iphone Jul 11 02:31:34 KNY, really? Jul 11 02:31:44 ivantis, yeah, I was thinking about it Jul 11 02:32:04 KNY, when did you have the idea? Jul 11 02:32:25 ivantis, a week ago or so. I'm not saying you stole it or anything, but it's pretty freaky Jul 11 02:32:50 hm i wanna check my data useage Jul 11 02:33:02 I'm not good enough to actually build something like that Jul 11 02:33:35 aww Jul 11 02:33:37 Business Care - EBill is currently undergoing maintenance. Jul 11 02:33:39 :( Jul 11 02:35:24 oh, had to wipe userdata. Jul 11 02:38:11 ivantis of coarse you are Jul 11 02:38:26 that wouldnt be 'too' difficult Jul 11 02:42:20 bah rogers are crooks Jul 11 02:42:22 tried to charge me twice for a HUP admin fee Jul 11 02:42:51 was just going over my bill... June 09th. HUP Admin fee.. $35.00... then again... July 02.. HUP Admin fee. . $35.00 Jul 11 02:44:49 hup? Jul 11 02:45:27 yeah Jul 11 02:45:30 did a HUP Jul 11 02:45:31 returned it Jul 11 02:45:32 then did another Jul 11 02:45:46 i guess it can be SORT OF considered a legit charge Jul 11 02:45:46 but meh Jul 11 02:46:13 old lady on the phone was super nice, and i played the "i'm tired, and quiet and practically whispering on the phone because ive had a long week and my girl left me" Jul 11 02:46:21 i'd like to thank the academy Jul 11 02:46:42 because she left me in 2004 lol Jul 11 02:46:51 ok, thanks for defining the term with the term itself. Jul 11 02:47:03 let me be more clear: what does "HUP" mean/stand for? Jul 11 02:47:09 oh sorry Jul 11 02:47:23 Hardware Upgrade Jul 11 02:47:27 happy unsatisfied people Jul 11 02:47:40 oh, you upgraded your handset from one phone to another? Jul 11 02:47:43 different model Jul 11 02:47:57 no i had an old samsung before Jul 11 02:48:01 upgraded to htc dream Jul 11 02:48:05 returned that for the htc magic Jul 11 02:48:19 within the "30 day satisfaction guarantee" Jul 11 02:48:43 evening folks Jul 11 02:53:48 Hello all Jul 11 02:56:20 anyone successfully have flash running on their HTC Magic? Jul 11 02:56:28 like.. not just half-assed flash? Jul 11 02:57:10 man i got one better Jul 11 02:57:13 i got flash on my macbook pro Jul 11 02:57:16 its dope Jul 11 02:57:22 big screen, glossy as ufck Jul 11 02:57:35 nkohh: i haz matte screen Jul 11 02:57:39 jpa-fml: i doubt real flash on a phone is going to happen any time soon Jul 11 02:57:44 the new ones dont have mate Jul 11 02:57:46 i wish they did Jul 11 02:57:59 nkohh: yeah, i have the early 2008 version Jul 11 02:58:03 I have a Kaiser, and im dying to get android on it, on a permanent basis Jul 11 02:58:26 heh Jul 11 02:58:29 have fun lol Jul 11 02:59:13 k Jul 11 02:59:40 damnit Jul 11 02:59:41 blah Jul 11 02:59:46 have to be at work for a while Jul 11 02:59:47 sucks **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 11 02:59:57 2009