**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 11 02:59:57 2009 Jul 11 02:59:58 Macer: how long you work? Jul 11 02:59:59 when im trying to tether with the wifi-android-tether thing... if i keep getting that "failed, something about iptables.. might want to update kernel version" or something?.. how would I go about doing that? Jul 11 02:59:59 hours Jul 11 03:00:13 quick q - once I run a make targetted at htc dream, what do I do then? is there a link on the next step to update my adp1? Jul 11 03:00:26 yah, for sure. Jul 11 03:00:55 natdefreitas_mob: the images are in out/target/product/dream/ Jul 11 03:00:56 natdefreitas_mob: it will make an ./out folder Jul 11 03:01:00 :P Jul 11 03:01:01 AakashPatel: hopefully an hour Jul 11 03:01:10 Macer: wtf? thats not work Jul 11 03:01:11 i couldn't do this from home because some jackass fucked up a switch Jul 11 03:01:13 lol Jul 11 03:01:15 AakashPatel: yes it is Jul 11 03:01:24 Macer: what kind of work Jul 11 03:01:28 prostitution? Jul 11 03:01:34 yeah\ Jul 11 03:01:34 then I zip that up into an update.zip ? Jul 11 03:01:37 $1000 /hr Jul 11 03:01:53 $2000 if you want me to tickle nuts while you bust up my ass Jul 11 03:01:58 haha Jul 11 03:02:01 oh man Jul 11 03:02:25 ah well.. i guess i have to go do stuff Jul 11 03:02:46 woah Jul 11 03:02:54 is this alt.porn.android? Jul 11 03:03:06 yes Jul 11 03:03:08 it is Jul 11 03:03:10 :) Jul 11 03:03:38 sweet! Jul 11 03:04:02 :D Jul 11 03:04:32 natdefreitas_mob: you mayalso wanna check out #android-offtopic ;) Jul 11 03:08:23 surely alt.sex.fetish.android? Jul 11 03:10:06 KNY: huh. Jul 11 03:10:09 KNY: W/PackageManager( 91): Not granting permission android.permission.CALL_PRIVILEGED to package com.evancharlton.googlevoice (protectionLevel=3 flags=0x44) Jul 11 03:10:29 lol Jul 11 03:10:32 FAIL Jul 11 03:13:43 lol what kind of error is that "uh we dont like you damn app, hehe you dont get this persmission" Jul 11 03:15:50 AakashPatel: some permissions require a system signature Jul 11 03:16:00 which means.... Jul 11 03:16:20 AakashPatel: which means, it's any non-system app that can't use it, not just that one Jul 11 03:16:24 oh Jul 11 03:16:26 hey, can someone confirm for me the sense of "rooted phone" - stock is that any app runs as its own user, rooted is that all run as root, the reasoning being security, apps can't decimate each other, maybe not idea solution, but rooting one's phone comes with responsibilities. ? Jul 11 03:16:36 idea=ideal Jul 11 03:17:09 Skail: no, the common rooted firmwares only give root out if permission is given Jul 11 03:17:18 Skail: you're a little off the mark. Jul 11 03:17:18 zinx: i thought apps were created equal lol Jul 11 03:17:21 Skail: a "rooted" phone means that you have "root" (super-user level) access on the phone. Jul 11 03:17:32 AakashPatel: no, there are some special permissions Jul 11 03:17:34 Skail: it doesn't particilarly mean that applications are *all* running as root. Jul 11 03:17:38 ok, so root is still at least a permission.. that is good Jul 11 03:17:40 AakashPatel: like BRICK_PHONE Jul 11 03:17:43 zinx: the interwebs LIED Jul 11 03:17:50 zinx: i never got wtf that perm is for Jul 11 03:17:55 Skail: sorta. Jul 11 03:17:58 how can an app brick your phone? Jul 11 03:18:05 Skail: but for this situation, you can think of it as such Jul 11 03:18:11 AakashPatel: it can't, because that one requires a system signature! :P Jul 11 03:18:23 zinx: fine, if it were a system app Jul 11 03:18:26 AakashPatel: more seriously... apparently there was a way to brick the phone in some early versions Jul 11 03:18:29 how could it brick your phone Jul 11 03:18:36 o.O Jul 11 03:18:37 AakashPatel: i do not know the details Jul 11 03:18:38 damn. Jul 11 03:18:47 * AakashPatel whips up his app to birck phones Jul 11 03:18:49 lol Jul 11 03:18:59 fwiw Jul 11 03:19:04 you can flash the SPL/radio with root Jul 11 03:19:11 ok, actually that answers the question more than you know.. thanks. Jul 11 03:19:25 ? Jul 11 03:19:46 zinx, what does flashing the spl do and when do you need to do it? Jul 11 03:20:08 Guest39902: you don't. don't worry about it. Jul 11 03:20:18 I figured Jul 11 03:20:20 uh yeah what he said lol Jul 11 03:20:24 Guest39902: also you sound like an eliza bot :x Jul 11 03:20:29 oh wow Jul 11 03:20:31 haha Jul 11 03:20:31 I just found a bug. Jul 11 03:20:40 Guest39902: Whats your name Jul 11 03:20:42 lol Jul 11 03:20:46 AakashPatel: call it something enticing like, "Brickout Escape!!one"... dodge 10,100 falling bricks to avoid bricking! Jul 11 03:20:47 * AakashPatel waits for null error Jul 11 03:20:59 AudioPara4.csv has entries for various different bluetooth headsets Jul 11 03:21:04 I have one that is listed in there Jul 11 03:21:11 that is my name Jul 11 03:21:14 the name of the headsets is wrong :( Jul 11 03:21:23 "640Plantronics" != "640 Plantronics" Jul 11 03:21:31 adding the space into the csv file results in this: Jul 11 03:21:34 I/AudioHardwareMSM72XX( 71): Using custom acoustic parameters for 640 Plantronics Jul 11 03:21:40 which ... sounds like a good idea. Jul 11 03:22:04 does it sound better with the custom acoustic parameters? Jul 11 03:22:28 testing now Jul 11 03:22:40 * AakashPatel waits for "it sucks worse!" Jul 11 03:23:27 anyone have any opinion on what rom is the fastest for the g1? Jul 11 03:23:46 uh, arent tmo's optimized or someshit Jul 11 03:26:17 I/AudioHardwareMSM72XX( 71): Using default acoustic parameters (640 Plantronics not in acoustic database) Jul 11 03:26:28 and that's what you get when there's no space in the csv file Jul 11 03:26:29 * warewolf tests Jul 11 03:29:47 it sounds better, but it's only a slight improvement IMHO. Jul 11 03:29:58 it may affect other headsets more though Jul 11 03:30:09 warewolf: what did you do? Jul 11 03:49:35 Hi. I have a rooted G1 phone with apps on SD and an ubuntu distribution chrooted on the thing. There is only one thing missing, in my humble opinion, and that is a way to start ubuntu when the phone starts. Does anyone here know how I could go about that? Jul 11 03:49:38 hi, when developing with eclipse, when I change something in my code I am restarting the emu. is there a faster way to do this? Jul 11 03:50:17 <__avatar> Macarse_: yes. don't restart the emulator. Jul 11 03:50:25 <__avatar> :P Jul 11 03:50:54 __avatar: but how to update the application I'm developing? Jul 11 03:52:00 <__avatar> just re-run the application from eclipse Jul 11 03:53:02 __avatar: oh... let me see Jul 11 03:53:43 Hm, I needa make a bluetooth reciever for my car Jul 11 03:53:52 so i can listen to songs on my speakers XD Jul 11 03:53:56 hm Jul 11 03:54:01 * AakashPatel whips out his soldering iron Jul 11 03:54:13 AakashPatel: just buy a bluetooth head unit :-P Jul 11 03:54:21 ? Jul 11 03:54:23 wtf is that Jul 11 03:54:27 uhm Jul 11 03:54:34 a stereo with bluetooth support for your car Jul 11 03:54:40 they are cheap Jul 11 03:54:43 link Jul 11 03:54:45 er Jul 11 03:54:48 or it never happened Jul 11 03:54:48 or an fm transmitter Jul 11 03:54:49 crutchfield.com? Jul 11 03:54:51 even cheaper Jul 11 03:54:52 haha Jul 11 03:54:56 fm transmitter Jul 11 03:54:59 that's SO ghetto Jul 11 03:55:00 haha Jul 11 03:55:02 ewww Jul 11 03:55:06 fm xmtter Jul 11 03:55:08 the poor man's mp3 stereo Jul 11 03:55:08 :) Jul 11 03:55:13 you're all yuppies Jul 11 03:55:14 crazy kids these days Jul 11 03:55:21 i know right Jul 11 03:55:28 who the hell uses an fm transmitter? Jul 11 03:55:36 i still got a fuckin tape deck, children Jul 11 03:55:37 :) Jul 11 03:55:39 ;-) Jul 11 03:55:40 LOL Jul 11 03:55:42 8 track? Jul 11 03:55:48 nah :( Jul 11 03:55:51 hahaa Jul 11 03:55:51 damn Jul 11 03:55:56 used too Jul 11 03:55:57 i haz 6 disc cd changer XD Jul 11 03:56:01 you probably could have sold the 8 track deck for quite a bit of money Jul 11 03:56:02 but haven't for a loooong time Jul 11 03:56:06 6 disc changer? Jul 11 03:56:10 does it play mp3s? Jul 11 03:56:11 :) Jul 11 03:56:15 yeah, i bet actually. a working one might fetch some money Jul 11 03:56:19 oh Macer i actually need to *wire* my car Jul 11 03:56:30 i dont have those removable thigns Jul 11 03:56:32 lol Jul 11 03:56:33 wiring it is easy Jul 11 03:56:40 except your battery might need a larger terminal to connect the power for the amps Jul 11 03:56:52 Macer: dewd, im gonna do this Jul 11 03:56:57 er Jul 11 03:56:57 screw the harness. those are for wimps. just use a multimeter to figure out what is what. Jul 11 03:57:02 lol! Jul 11 03:57:04 screw that! Jul 11 03:57:09 get the harness! hahaha Jul 11 03:57:14 Macer: toyota avlon '98 limited Jul 11 03:57:16 hahaha Jul 11 03:57:26 there is nothing 'limited' about THAT car Jul 11 03:57:31 WHATEVA Jul 11 03:57:31 ;) Jul 11 03:57:38 you have one? Jul 11 03:57:49 __avatar: thanks Jul 11 03:57:50 i'm rockin' a chinook Jul 11 03:57:55 hahahaha Jul 11 03:57:57 then stfu Jul 11 03:57:57 limited Jul 11 03:57:58 :P Jul 11 03:57:59 :) Jul 11 03:58:09 chop-chop-chop-chop Jul 11 03:58:19 i still have my 94 caprice classic from 5 years ago Jul 11 03:58:27 it runs like a champ. still looks like new Jul 11 03:58:35 do you guys have any clever ways to hook up a g1 to a car stereo not through a cassette player Jul 11 03:58:43 Guest39902: yes. fm transmitter Jul 11 03:58:45 fm transmitter Jul 11 03:58:53 Macer: why am i looking for bluetooth head whatever Jul 11 03:58:55 i already forgot Jul 11 03:58:57 lol Jul 11 03:59:14 http://www.crutchfield.com/p_120BT1761/Toyota-Geo-Bluetooth-Wiring-Harness.html?search=bluetooth Jul 11 03:59:16 :0 Jul 11 03:59:36 oh wait Jul 11 03:59:37 geo Jul 11 03:59:39 screw that Jul 11 03:59:49 ohh Jul 11 03:59:53 toyota/geo Jul 11 03:59:55 ;) Jul 11 04:00:19 Geo FTW! Jul 11 04:00:25 hahaha Jul 11 04:01:13 uh Jul 11 04:01:21 4 speakers or 6/7 speakers Jul 11 04:01:22 wtf Jul 11 04:01:43 * AakashPatel haz 7 Jul 11 04:01:50 just rememberd lol Jul 11 04:07:02 http://www.crutchfield.com/p_333MKI9200/Parrot-MKi9200.html?tp=8395 Jul 11 04:07:04 :0 Jul 11 04:08:43 Macer: Sorry, none of the items in this category fit your car. Jul 11 04:08:47 :'( Jul 11 04:09:02 for harnesses Jul 11 04:37:48 in that Chanserv #android welcome message.... Jul 11 04:37:54 the part about "bridging android apps to this channel" Jul 11 04:38:05 do you mean, no using Android IRC to connect to #android ? Jul 11 04:48:03 i have a question, does anyone use cyanogen rom and use apps 2 sd? its supposed to be "included already" in the rom Jul 11 04:48:15 but all my apps are being saved on my rom space Jul 11 04:48:40 do i need to partition my sdcard before i install cyanogen or why is it doing that? Jul 11 04:50:41 no idea Jul 11 04:51:53 question - if i have SPL 1.33.2005 flashed, and flashed recovery-RAv1.1.1H.img, and rooted.. with the Rogers magic, should I still stick to only roms made from the Rogers rom as a base? or is it safe to try out other roms? Jul 11 04:52:18 sub-question.. what are the specifications i need to make sure are compatibile in order for the rom to boot on my particular phone? Jul 11 04:53:24 what phone do you have? Jul 11 04:54:09 HTC Magic on Rogers Jul 11 04:54:37 jpa: at one point, one of the android IRC apps *automatically* connected to this channel at start-up... that's a no-no Jul 11 04:55:36 Leeds, what, you don't want the market gangstas in here? Jul 11 04:56:39 Gary|tp: you know #android-chat? or at least what it used to be? Jul 11 04:56:50 I've heard of it, never joined. Jul 11 04:57:22 ahh ok Jul 11 04:57:43 that must've been awesome Jul 11 04:57:46 everyone who tries the app pops in here lol Jul 11 04:58:02 jpa, have you read the markets comments lately? Jul 11 04:58:21 i rarely bother with the market... Jul 11 04:58:40 why not? Jul 11 04:59:19 not much time lately.. when im at home i have to take my sim card out of my phone and put it into an iphone so i can tether it via usb on my windows laptop, and my roommate can simultaneously tether with his fagbook Jul 11 04:59:19 err Jul 11 04:59:20 macbook Jul 11 04:59:57 every tether attempt on my htc magic fails.. because apparently i have to update my kernel version? Jul 11 05:00:08 no clue where to begin with that.. and it sounds scary Jul 11 05:01:30 join #android-dev Jul 11 05:02:14 no, *you* join #android-dev Jul 11 05:03:00 jpa, your phones kernel or computers kernel? Jul 11 05:03:14 phone Jul 11 05:03:16 jpa, download wifi tether and try it. Jul 11 05:03:23 kernel shouldn't matter.. Jul 11 05:03:24 thats what i tried Jul 11 05:03:42 the wifi tether log said to update kernel version Jul 11 05:04:29 blah Jul 11 05:06:01 root your phone Jul 11 05:06:15 Careful guys, EugeneKay just stepped in. Jul 11 05:06:43 i did root my phone Jul 11 05:06:52 im not THAT stupid Jul 11 05:07:12 o rly Jul 11 05:07:30 don't get me wrong tho.. Jul 11 05:07:31 i definitely am stupid Jul 11 05:07:42 lol Jul 11 05:07:49 Alright, now I'm confused. Jul 11 05:08:11 so you're stupid too Jul 11 05:08:13 we should be friends Jul 11 05:08:32 wanna go throw ninja stars at the tree in the backyard? Jul 11 05:08:34 * GenericNode moves closer to jpa Jul 11 05:09:32 test Jul 11 05:09:35 touch me here Jul 11 05:09:46 fail Jul 11 05:10:25 * EugeneKay stabs GenericNode in the face Jul 11 05:10:52 i dont like this hostility Jul 11 05:10:52 im going to bed Jul 11 05:11:01 * GenericNode bleeds Jul 11 05:11:22 * GenericNode bleeds profusely Jul 11 05:11:33 night d00ds Jul 11 05:11:55 ps: what roms would you guys recommend trying out ? Jul 11 05:12:15 JFv1.51 is all you need for a good, working phone Jul 11 05:12:41 Try a Hero if you're used to Windows Mobile - regular crashes, unusability, slowness, and generally sucking Jul 11 05:12:56 lol Jul 11 05:13:10 I'm already running Fatal1tys Hero rom Jul 11 05:13:12 hence im asking for others to try out Jul 11 05:13:17 but thanks for the lesson in sarcasm Jul 11 05:13:20 ;) Jul 11 05:14:03 * GenericNode bleeds Jul 11 05:15:54 hm. has anybody ever connected their psp adhoc to a g1? Jul 11 05:15:55 * GenericNode bleeds Jul 11 05:16:08 i can't seem to get my buddy's psp to see the g1tether adhoc ap Jul 11 05:16:13 * Wickednix cuts GenericNode some more Jul 11 05:16:57 * GenericNode bleeds on Leeds Jul 11 05:17:20 Wickednix, rockin Ion still? Jul 11 05:17:32 i tried out ion as well Jul 11 05:17:37 nope, ROckin cyan Jul 11 05:17:50 you guys all on rogers? Jul 11 05:17:53 cheers mate Jul 11 05:17:55 You'll come back. They all do. Jul 11 05:18:06 jpa: welcome to a *global* channel... Jul 11 05:18:11 havent been on Ion for 2 weeks now Jul 11 05:18:13 oh true haha Jul 11 05:18:15 vodafone Jul 11 05:27:40 * Wickednix spins in circles Jul 11 05:31:06 * Wickednix shakes the channel. Wake up!!! Jul 11 05:34:09 wha.., what? Jul 11 05:34:17 fkn bored man Jul 11 05:34:20 yeah this place is dead for a friday night Jul 11 05:34:28 it's Saturday lunchtime, freak Jul 11 05:34:31 which is odd for irc+nerds+friday night Jul 11 05:34:43 Dear God, What have I missed???? Jul 11 05:35:05 it was superman... he flew around the world so fast that everyone is now in GMT+8 Jul 11 05:35:06 hey guys Jul 11 05:35:12 Leeds, whatever. I'll deal with you after the storm carries you to MY timezone. Jul 11 05:35:50 Gigawatts: good afternoon Jul 11 05:35:58 im still trying to figure out whats up with my compass and accel sensors, and i have a feeling my akmd process isnt behaving Jul 11 05:36:07 awwww TommyBres Jul 11 05:36:11 dude Jul 11 05:36:15 im so baked Jul 11 05:36:17 dudette Jul 11 05:36:18 what exactly does that do anywah? Jul 11 05:36:27 way* Jul 11 05:36:30 what app is out there that allows you to have different ringtones for sms per contact Jul 11 05:36:54 Wickednix: er... "Contacts", unless I'm missing something? Jul 11 05:37:18 Nah that'll only change ringtone for just calls i believe. Jul 11 05:37:28 i think so too Jul 11 05:37:28 oh, sorry, for SMS Jul 11 05:37:37 i agree, GenericNode Jul 11 05:37:45 ok ok they call it a notification ringtone Jul 11 05:38:02 lol uhhh Jul 11 05:38:05 i'm going to be red foreman someday. Jul 11 05:38:10 genericnode agrees with himself Jul 11 05:38:17 !seen GenericNode Jul 11 05:38:23 dude stop confusing me Jul 11 05:38:30 its easy right now Jul 11 05:38:36 a bot! get it! Jul 11 05:38:46 lol wut Jul 11 05:38:52 * GenericNode slaps pinaise Jul 11 05:39:09 * TommyBres slaps genericnode with a bowl of soup Jul 11 05:39:12 oh my, i remember when i used to have way too much fun with my bot in chat rooms Jul 11 05:40:05 at least #windows is bumpin Jul 11 05:40:09 im not old enough for a bot Jul 11 05:40:10 fail Jul 11 05:40:19 #windows sux Jul 11 05:40:26 poor M$ drone Jul 11 05:40:43 i trolled #windows for a while lol Jul 11 05:40:52 thing is Jul 11 05:40:53 snuggles his MBP Jul 11 05:40:59 #windows is mostly linux users Jul 11 05:40:59 not really trolled, went there and fixed stuff and got bant in the process Jul 11 05:41:05 lol mbp ftl Jul 11 05:41:18 $3000 for $1000 worth of computer Jul 11 05:41:42 Oh snap! Jul 11 05:41:48 who said I paid for mine Jul 11 05:41:55 you think windows users are A) going to be using irc, and B) going to be in a room called windows? Jul 11 05:42:16 b ) not B) Jul 11 05:42:22 lol Jul 11 05:42:28 gigs, points at genericnode. Jul 11 05:42:29 * sparkle_ chuckles Jul 11 05:42:37 janetttt Jul 11 05:42:49 i wore a "MICROSOFT: #1 IN UNIX" tshirt to linuxworld one year Jul 11 05:42:54 (i had to pick up something from a vendor) Jul 11 05:43:08 i think people were either confused or wanted to kill me :p Jul 11 05:43:14 indeed Jul 11 05:43:59 now, i guess i should say, i am using windows right now :P Jul 11 05:44:15 but I try to dip in all OS's Jul 11 05:44:25 same here Jul 11 05:44:48 has bootcamp wth nix and win Jul 11 05:45:16 errr wut Jul 11 05:45:23 whered you come from Jul 11 05:45:25 7 rc on this machine, and then i have an ibook which dual boots os x and ubuntu 9.04 Jul 11 05:46:04 but yeah, anyone have any knowledge on the akmd process in android? Jul 11 05:46:08 a uterus Jul 11 05:46:16 yeah Jul 11 05:46:27 akmd_set.txt in /data/? Jul 11 05:46:43 yeah, i dont have one Jul 11 05:46:46 its something to do with accelerometer calibration Jul 11 05:47:16 my accel and compass sensors work fine in non-cupcake builds, but dont do squat in any cupcake builds i have tried Jul 11 05:47:18 generates on boot, sometimes my accel wont work, i delete that and reboot and its fine Jul 11 05:47:34 so learned about that file today, but it is no where to be seen Jul 11 05:47:49 i dont think my akmd process is behaving, and not generating that file as it shoud Jul 11 05:47:54 or something Jul 11 05:47:56 weird... ask tmzt, hes the man that helped me with it in the first place Jul 11 05:48:09 hes a really smart guy :-$ Jul 11 05:48:11 tmzt: you around? Jul 11 05:48:33 yeah, he has helped me in the past, i believe Jul 11 05:49:13 but i was looking at someones logcat when they start a compass program, and its got a bunch stuff showing up in the logs that mine is not Jul 11 05:49:14 oh wellz, guess hes sleeping... sorry i cant help you more Jul 11 05:49:23 hmm Jul 11 05:49:37 you using any crazy build? Jul 11 05:50:05 im using the lastest cyan build atm Jul 11 05:50:31 but i have tried jf's 1.51, as well as the stock adp1 build Jul 11 05:50:31 hm, have you tried a standard 1.5 build? Jul 11 05:50:37 oh, okay then Jul 11 05:51:01 i havent tried the stock non-adp1 build, but i didnt have a dataplan to activate it untill a few days ago Jul 11 05:51:19 idk why the hell it wouldnt be producing that file in any build, then again i dont know enough to even know how its generated Jul 11 05:51:43 before, i was using the root hack from rc29 to load a rooted firmware, so i could bring up the wireless settings and activate that way without a data plan Jul 11 05:52:08 and like i said, when i use rc 29 and rc 33 builds, both sensors work great Jul 11 05:52:12 oooh clever Jul 11 05:52:51 yeah, i would use the root hack to enable adb mode, and then use adb to launch the wireless settings pannel Jul 11 05:53:17 welp, id help more if i could, but on top of being impaired im not very well educated on the subject Jul 11 05:53:30 thats allright, thanks anyway Jul 11 05:54:11 its probably something retarded like the user permissions are wrong on an executeable it needs to activate Jul 11 05:58:34 * GenericNode slaps Wickednix Jul 11 05:59:01 * Wickednix ducks Jul 11 06:02:55 So bored and I do not want to do homework Jul 11 06:03:42 I should be in bed. Jul 11 06:03:47 Got a wedding to go to tomorrow Jul 11 06:04:14 i'm going to the dog park and picking up my washer and dryer Jul 11 06:06:57 well i dont want to go to the wedding Jul 11 06:07:01 nobody does, actually Jul 11 06:07:05 lol Jul 11 06:07:10 does the groom? Jul 11 06:07:19 it's one of those "nobody agree's with this junk wedding, but nobody dares say anything" Jul 11 06:07:43 Leeds, he was told he needed to buy an engadgment ring before he could buy a new truck Jul 11 06:07:57 he was instructed to propose Jul 11 06:08:04 oh, she's knocked up? Jul 11 06:08:10 Nope! Jul 11 06:08:17 whatever, neither party are people i am friends with. Jul 11 06:08:38 ooh, typhoon level 3 warning! Jul 11 06:09:20 Leeds, I saw on the movie 'Twister' that a belt tied around you and to a pipe in the ground will keep you grounded. Jul 11 06:09:52 And Apparently protected from debris, too. Jul 11 06:10:03 er, a typhoon isn't a tornado - it's an hurricane Jul 11 06:10:20 Yet. Jul 11 06:11:55 <_Auron_> ugh I still havne't posted a second video yet. Jul 11 06:13:01 no, you haven't - slacker Jul 11 06:13:27 screens? Jul 11 06:15:08 <_Auron_> if I go the lengths of making screens I may as well make a video Jul 11 06:15:28 lol Jul 11 06:15:49 or you could gimme the app so i can try it :) Jul 11 06:16:12 <_Auron_> I prefer video demonstrations. Jul 11 06:16:16 lol Jul 11 06:16:31 i want someone to make an epic Dracula game Jul 11 06:16:37 <_Auron_> dracula? Jul 11 06:16:40 like, based on the actual book Jul 11 06:16:46 yeah Jul 11 06:16:54 and i mean for pc, not android Jul 11 06:17:13 TommyBres, go to bed already. Jul 11 06:17:19 Don't lie to #windows. Jul 11 06:17:19 why... Jul 11 06:17:25 i didnt Jul 11 06:17:35 sleep is for the weak Jul 11 06:17:46 i said i was leaving cuz i was tired of getting yelled at, genericnode Jul 11 06:17:52 TommyBres, like Blood Omen for playstation? Jul 11 06:18:02 Because that whole series was amazing. Jul 11 06:18:05 theacolyte was whining constantly about me going off topic Jul 11 06:18:14 genericnode never played it Jul 11 06:18:22 TommyBres, I spend most of my time trying to get them off topic. Jul 11 06:18:43 i want one based on the actual characters/script of the book Jul 11 06:18:48 TommyBres, it's what you're looking for, trust me. Jul 11 06:18:53 Ah, well not that so much. Jul 11 06:19:06 Soul Reaver was so-so Jul 11 06:19:24 Dreamcast, we barely knew ye Jul 11 06:19:27 genericnode theacolyte is kinda a douche to me, doesnt really like me so much, so even when i dont do much of anything he cries to me Jul 11 06:19:45 <_Auron_> my dream game to develop is a 2.5d action rpg with 'dialogue ai' in npcs, and a fluid magic/stats system that breaks the typical rpg character stat mold Jul 11 06:19:50 It's really as simple as following the rules Jul 11 06:19:51 he joined here as soon as i joined ##windows as a matter of fact Jul 11 06:19:53 We're not that stupid, you know Jul 11 06:20:06 cares about me enough to follow me to channels lol Jul 11 06:21:04 well this is cute Jul 11 06:21:43 i kno! Jul 11 06:22:08 anyways genericnode i might try playing one of those games, see how i like it Jul 11 06:22:23 like i said, they're for psx Jul 11 06:22:23 you should read the book sometime, great read Jul 11 06:22:31 so emulator, gamestop, whatever Jul 11 06:22:42 yeah i can get a pee ess sex at some point Jul 11 06:22:51 my brasha has a ps2 i think Jul 11 06:22:55 yeah they're like $5 now i think Jul 11 06:23:06 lol Jul 11 06:23:24 i got gensoid, nesoid and snesoid from market Jul 11 06:23:32 Now you need MAME! Jul 11 06:23:37 GREAT buys, i loooove the apps, plays so smooth Jul 11 06:23:40 mamoid. Jul 11 06:23:46 Jesusoid. Jul 11 06:23:50 i dont really know what mame is Jul 11 06:23:54 isn't that like a gland? :) Jul 11 06:23:55 get out. Jul 11 06:23:59 lol Jul 11 06:24:05 i knew id get flamed haha Jul 11 06:24:47 anyways the emus are def worth buying Jul 11 06:24:53 $10 combined for all 3 Jul 11 06:25:26 the keyboard layout kinda sucks for a control pad though Jul 11 06:25:47 it works well enough Jul 11 06:26:07 yeah, I haven't played much Jul 11 06:26:23 Jesus has no time for such things. Jul 11 06:26:24 takes a bit getting used to 1qwa being wasd Jul 11 06:26:40 I usually use adsf in games Jul 11 06:26:48 but after many bored train rides i got it down Jul 11 06:26:51 i usually use qpcn Jul 11 06:26:52 af = back/forward, ds = left/right Jul 11 06:27:00 really works the digits Jul 11 06:27:04 haha Jul 11 06:27:14 i use 10zm Jul 11 06:27:19 D: Jul 11 06:27:28 it's actually nice, because you don't have to move your fingers for up/down Jul 11 06:27:29 Giggity giggity Jul 11 06:27:55 (on a computer I mean. not on the andriod keyboard) Jul 11 06:28:09 yeah i know Jul 11 06:28:26 i've been using the TI 44302 telepathy unit on my G1. Jul 11 06:28:31 i still like wasd, its part of my instincts by now hehe Jul 11 06:28:33 <_Auron_> JesusFreke: a possible opengl init bug is bothering me :| Jul 11 06:28:35 controls have improved much Jul 11 06:28:35 sweet. I need to get me one of those Jul 11 06:28:54 GenericNode: have you seen OCZ's mind reader? ;) Jul 11 06:28:58 genericnode i use my esp to control my g1 Jul 11 06:28:58 Not just calculators and microcontrollers, but telepathy too! Jul 11 06:29:19 I have. Haven't heard much about it since it's debut, guessing it's not so hawt IRL. Jul 11 06:29:21 espn? woot Jul 11 06:29:32 ...no, Tommy. Jul 11 06:29:33 yeah, I got one. I really didn't play with it enough to get used to it Jul 11 06:29:43 <_Auron_> I want one of those JF Jul 11 06:29:46 it definitely has a learning curve Jul 11 06:30:10 <_Auron_> actually I probably live within 10 miles of you, you should let me try it :D Jul 11 06:30:18 stalker Jul 11 06:30:21 big rain... Jul 11 06:30:23 20miles maybe Jul 11 06:30:29 hm Jul 11 06:30:34 close enough for sauce? Jul 11 06:30:51 <_Auron_> JesusFreke: south plano? Jul 11 06:30:58 but if you want to try it, you can come borrow it. I haven't used it in a while Jul 11 06:31:11 It's going to have JesusFreke sweat on it. Jul 11 06:31:12 yeah, south east plano Jul 11 06:31:15 <_Auron_> that'd be cool Jul 11 06:31:21 We can auction it off to some XDA people. Jul 11 06:31:33 lol Jul 11 06:31:44 pm me if you want the address :) Jul 11 06:32:32 * TommyBres pm's jf Jul 11 06:32:50 o_O Jul 11 06:32:57 lol Jul 11 06:34:05 * JesusFreke gives tommybres an address in the middle of nowhere Jul 11 06:34:06 uh huh Jul 11 06:34:12 that's where i am! Jul 11 06:34:18 you found me! Jul 11 06:34:33 youre in texas, jf Jul 11 06:34:37 lol, gNode is realy in BFE Jul 11 06:34:38 GenericNode: no, you're slightly west of the middle of nowhere Jul 11 06:34:47 of course your address is the middle of nowhere Jul 11 06:35:22 Tommy. Go to bed. Jul 11 06:35:27 yeah, the dallas area is so small you'd miss it if you blinked while driving though Jul 11 06:35:38 (blinked for an hour or two at least) Jul 11 06:35:42 genericnode, worry about your own bedtime plz Jul 11 06:36:06 jf, my gf is from dallas, that gives my statement validity Jul 11 06:36:10 I worry about you Tommy. Jul 11 06:36:15 stfuplz Jul 11 06:36:24 lol Jul 11 06:36:34 You're falling in with the wrong crowd lately. Jul 11 06:36:37 TommyBres: go drive through the texas panhandle Jul 11 06:36:41 Your mother and I worry about you. Jul 11 06:36:42 *that's* the middle of nowhere :) Jul 11 06:36:47 Wickednix: haha Jul 11 06:36:50 bfe Jul 11 06:36:52 if androidirc had an ignore command youd be ther Jul 11 06:36:53 e Jul 11 06:36:54 haven't heard that in a while Jul 11 06:37:08 genericnode, suckadick Jul 11 06:37:11 ok, well im going to head out guys, ttyl Jul 11 06:37:27 night Jul 11 06:37:35 and jf, everything south of the mason-dixon is the middle of nowhere to me hehe Jul 11 06:37:53 * TommyBres is racist against suvnahz Jul 11 06:38:34 Wickednix, we need our old jobs back. Jul 11 06:38:40 How are the hard drive installs going? Jul 11 06:39:11 nawh, I am going to school to make more Jul 11 06:39:20 but your ass moved back home Jul 11 06:39:25 woot, mo monayz Jul 11 06:39:34 home is where the Wickednix is. Jul 11 06:40:04 and Currently, that's an IRC chatroom. Jul 11 06:40:09 How unpleasant. Jul 11 06:40:14 heh Jul 11 06:40:24 lol Jul 11 06:40:29 ive seen worse than freenode:#android Jul 11 06:40:36 like Jul 11 06:40:40 all of the 2600 network Jul 11 06:40:47 efnet Jul 11 06:41:01 the 4chan of irc Jul 11 06:41:15 god i cant stand those kids Jul 11 06:41:21 agreed Jul 11 06:41:36 they're like that episode of southpark where all the civilians go "rabble rabble rabble" Jul 11 06:41:40 that's all they are. Jul 11 06:41:43 hahah Jul 11 06:42:14 whenever i hear someone say a meme in public i'm going to punch them in the stomach and go "NOT ANONYMOUS ANYMORE" Jul 11 06:42:22 hahahahahahahahahaha Jul 11 06:42:59 it upsets me that i even know that the *chans exist. Jul 11 06:43:14 i wanna meet a girl by walking up to her and saying "Tom has sent you a friend request, do you accept?" Jul 11 06:43:21 LOL Jul 11 06:43:29 *chans? more than one? Jul 11 06:43:31 meme Jul 11 06:43:45 * TommyBres punches Jul 11 06:44:23 gNode, gimme a voice invite :P Jul 11 06:44:33 they yanked mine Jul 11 06:44:35 bastards Jul 11 06:44:41 hah Jul 11 06:46:09 * Wickednix spins in circles Jul 11 06:46:35 mmm, circles... like pancakes... Jul 11 06:46:53 ??? Jul 11 06:46:54 sure Jul 11 06:47:04 tb, have'n a fun night back in ol' #android? Jul 11 06:47:04 now I am hungry Jul 11 06:47:05 http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10185351-1.html Jul 11 06:47:09 i think they stole mer! Jul 11 06:47:13 oh.. wrong # Jul 11 06:47:36 still not as bad as EugeneKay did. Jul 11 06:47:41 heh Jul 11 06:47:44 * GenericNode bleeds. Jul 11 06:47:49 that thing is so badass tho Jul 11 06:47:51 i can't wait to get one Jul 11 06:47:53 tmzt, always... finally can afford to be back in my normal state, so no trouble will be caused lol Jul 11 06:48:00 * Leeds just ate a chocolate waffle... and working on a new website Jul 11 06:48:11 state? Jul 11 06:48:31 mental state? Jul 11 06:48:38 ah Jul 11 06:48:58 Macer, do they have any footage of this thing in action yet? Jul 11 06:49:07 GenericNode: don't know yet Jul 11 06:49:13 i'm still looking around ;) Jul 11 06:49:20 let me know Jul 11 06:49:22 the pic of the OS looks nice though Jul 11 06:49:32 it looks like something i'd expect on a tablet/netbook hybrid Jul 11 06:49:38 yeah. that's why i want to see it in action. see how flows. Jul 11 06:49:42 oh thats a nice looking netbook Jul 11 06:49:47 how it flows* Jul 11 06:49:49 well.. it's a 3530 Jul 11 06:50:04 er.. 3530? i forget the model #s sometimes Jul 11 06:50:12 heh Jul 11 06:50:12 makes me want one even more, but I dont know what one to get Jul 11 06:50:15 yay intel! Jul 11 06:50:15 so fastest arm so far with 3d gpu Jul 11 06:50:20 oh it's arm Jul 11 06:50:23 i suck Jul 11 06:50:24 no. that's an arm Jul 11 06:50:25 heh Jul 11 06:50:27 omap? Jul 11 06:50:29 taht's why i want it so bad Jul 11 06:50:32 tmzt: yeah Jul 11 06:50:35 OMAP+++++ Jul 11 06:50:41 pre dosn't use the gpu yet Jul 11 06:50:43 i guess an A8 Jul 11 06:50:52 unlike android on g1, hah :) Jul 11 06:51:02 i see what you did there Jul 11 06:51:07 lol Jul 11 06:51:14 well.. i'm sure this thing does Jul 11 06:51:21 what? Jul 11 06:51:27 what thing? Jul 11 06:51:32 the touch book Jul 11 06:51:34 http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10185351-1.html Jul 11 06:51:55 ah Jul 11 06:51:56 ok Jul 11 06:51:58 i thought it was vaporware for a while but i guess they had a demo of it Jul 11 06:52:05 they are due to ship out this month Jul 11 06:52:10 oh, wait. here come's genericnode's comment about vapourware, and whatever that handheld gaming thing was Jul 11 06:52:19 :D Jul 11 06:52:23 lmao Jul 11 06:52:23 the phantom? Jul 11 06:52:24 :) Jul 11 06:52:29 im out guys Jul 11 06:52:30 JesusFreke knows too much... Jul 11 06:52:37 A HAh! Jul 11 06:52:41 Macer, take a bow. Jul 11 06:52:50 lol Jul 11 06:52:53 BYE GENERICNODE... bedtime Jul 11 06:52:57 mm Jul 11 06:52:59 lates tommy Jul 11 06:53:03 lol Jul 11 06:53:18 later janet, jf, tmz.t, and all others Jul 11 06:53:18 * GenericNode pokes Wickednix Jul 11 06:53:28 i almost preordered one but wanted to see more articles on it so i don't wind up preordering vaporware Jul 11 06:53:29 stop poking me Jul 11 06:53:32 but that thing looks worth it Jul 11 06:53:34 and... it runs android :) Jul 11 06:53:36 * JesusFreke pokes Wickednix Jul 11 06:53:38 heh.. in case te stock OS sucks Jul 11 06:53:44 the Jul 11 06:53:44 harder js Jul 11 06:53:50 _wtf_ Jul 11 06:54:13 hero would probably be kind of nice on that thing.. but then again i'd probably stick arm opensolaris on it if it ever gets done being developed Jul 11 06:54:19 The JesusFreke is a sensitive creature. Jul 11 06:54:23 * Macer pictures raidz on sd cards haha Jul 11 06:54:36 taht'd be ghetto Jul 11 06:54:58 this aspire1 i have has like.. a 150G hdd Jul 11 06:55:07 and back to the original argument, the phantom was NOT a handheld gaming unit. Jul 11 06:55:12 wtf Jul 11 06:55:15 It was a subscription based gaming service Jul 11 06:55:26 for a handheld unit? Jul 11 06:55:26 :) Jul 11 06:55:28 I thought it was vaporware Jul 11 06:55:32 Though I think a few models of the 'lapboard" shipped Jul 11 06:55:40 it is Jul 11 06:55:46 lol Jul 11 06:55:57 :-( Jul 11 06:55:58 then how could it be a subscription based service? Jul 11 06:56:01 Save me, Wiki. Jul 11 06:56:05 there were never and subscribers :D Jul 11 06:56:07 any* Jul 11 06:56:11 No Jul 11 06:56:19 But there were venture capitalists with deep pockets. Jul 11 06:56:34 not deep enough apparently Jul 11 06:56:40 They rarely are. Jul 11 06:57:19 * _Auron_ can count to over 1000 with just his fingers Jul 11 06:57:33 anyway. I'm gonna practice some tabla, then head to bed. Jul 11 06:57:34 later Jul 11 06:57:37 <_Auron_> it'd take a long time Jul 11 06:57:43 Stop counting and post a video. Jul 11 06:57:47 :-) Jul 11 06:58:05 <_Auron_> perhaps I should. although my sister went to bed already and I've got my stuff downstairs. Jul 11 06:58:23 what? Jul 11 06:58:27 sister? stuff? you? Jul 11 06:58:32 downstairs? Jul 11 06:58:39 baw-chicka-wow-wha Jul 11 06:58:47 <_Auron_> I could make a comment-less video but that's no fun. Jul 11 06:59:06 what is this tabla? Jul 11 06:59:56 What he meant to say was that he was going to play some Tabula Rasa. Jul 11 07:00:11 googles what that is Jul 11 07:00:14 I bet walmart is still selling it Jul 11 07:02:48 interesting game, if you mean the board game? Jul 11 07:11:31 <_Auron_> * freenode decided to show off and do the splits Jul 11 07:11:39 haha Jul 11 07:25:29 eh Jul 11 07:26:28 your router act up too? Jul 11 07:27:38 bah just came upstairs to lay down Jul 11 07:27:45 if i want to find the source code fo an adroid application where do I go? is there a set place or do I have to request it from the developer Jul 11 07:27:54 on the g1 Jul 11 07:28:42 Wickednix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbDofgD04dc&feature=related <--- tabla Jul 11 07:28:53 hmm no new version of android irc. ..boo Jul 11 07:29:37 <_Auron_> Haraken: there isn't exactly a source code dumping ground for android apps. devs either give source on their own or they don't Jul 11 07:29:39 oh those are some cool drums Jul 11 07:29:46 * EugeneKay re-stabs GenericNode's face Jul 11 07:29:50 <_Auron_> hence why it's their source Jul 11 07:30:05 * GenericNode_ rebleeds Jul 11 07:31:18 Google code is a popular dumping ground if it is open source Jul 11 07:31:23 Damn he is getting down on tabla. Jul 11 07:44:38 http://i.gizmodo.com/5162584/always-innovating-touch-book-is-part+netbook-part+tablet-open-source-frankenstein Jul 11 07:44:45 hm. . there goes a video of it runing angstrom Jul 11 07:44:55 with a 3d animation Jul 11 07:45:07 using the gl crap that arm uses.. the mobile gl stuff Jul 11 07:45:14 gles? Jul 11 07:52:51 i am not sure, but android-wifi-tether doesn't seem to work for me. I'm rooted, I'm starting it, it shows that it's running, but if a laptop would attempt to connect, it doesn't show me any clients trying to connect. Am I doing something wrong there? Jul 11 07:55:59 hell yeah!! I finally found the application I've been looking for! tcallblocking lite. it sends unknown/restricted calls to voicemail! PERFECT! <33333 Jul 11 07:58:05 I feel like I've ascended to a level beyond owning a phone... I now have a weapon Jul 11 07:58:08 XD Jul 11 08:05:32 Can I copy mmssms.db to sdcard from android application? Jul 11 08:06:09 Are some permission settings required? Jul 11 08:19:05 Haraken: have you played with android wifi tether? any idea why it wouldn't work for me? Jul 11 08:19:37 hi all, wondered if anyone can help with a context question ? Jul 11 08:20:08 3g is so cool Jul 11 08:20:10 prodigy, no i haven't, but I think that should be my next thing to try. is wifi teather where you connect to your phone via wifi to use 3g network as internet? Jul 11 08:20:28 can anyone help with line 17 from http://pastebin.com/d6095b88e ? i am stuck to know what context to use. Jul 11 08:20:39 on the bus connected to servers and chatting :) Jul 11 08:20:58 Haraken: you basically allow people to connect to the internet through your phone Jul 11 08:21:04 freaking sweet Jul 11 08:21:14 yeah that will be my next thing that I do Jul 11 08:24:44 Haraken: cool, let me know how that works out for you because last time I tried it it didn't work for me..which was kind of sad...had someone from work bring a laptop, promised him i'd help him fix it but couldn't even get onto the internet..so yeah..bummer Jul 11 08:24:59 ah Jul 11 08:25:06 if I get this working my mom will shit a brick Jul 11 08:25:15 she currently pages for verizon's internet air card AND a cell phone Jul 11 08:25:31 which is ridiculous Jul 11 08:25:41 Hey, am I mistaken or are they coming out with another sdk that allows you to use C or c++? Jul 11 08:25:43 not to mention the ugly thing that sticks out the side of your laptop :) Jul 11 08:25:52 I could have swore someone mentioned this.. Jul 11 08:25:58 called the NDK or something Jul 11 08:26:23 http://groups.google.com/group/android-ndk?pli=1 Jul 11 08:26:39 hey, that's the max size of microSDHC cards we can use on the G1..is it 16gb? or 32gigs now? Jul 11 08:27:20 prodigy, did you get the tether appp from slideme.org? Jul 11 08:27:52 Haraken: nope, got it from here http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/ Jul 11 08:28:38 I'm going to try the one from here http://slideme.org/ under popular section it is called tether blu free Jul 11 08:29:27 oh wait Jul 11 08:29:28 wrong one Jul 11 08:29:31 lookin for a cool game wile travelling Jul 11 08:29:33 that's bluetooth Jul 11 08:29:39 damn where is the ad-hoc one Jul 11 08:29:46 any suggestion /? Jul 11 08:30:55 wow nm they are charging for this I'll check yorus out I guess Jul 11 08:31:29 prodigy, were you able to download via the market? Jul 11 08:32:53 Haraken: don't think it's on the market Jul 11 08:32:59 ah Jul 11 08:33:08 nm just saw the scanner thing thought it led to market Jul 11 08:33:56 dude I love bar code scanning Jul 11 08:39:00 seems to make a network but it doesn't assign an ip Jul 11 08:39:05 maybe there is some more configuring it needs Jul 11 08:42:32 brb gonna try connecting via desktop Jul 11 08:44:13 weird Jul 11 08:44:16 no go either Jul 11 08:49:56 prodigy, are you using apps2sd by chance? Jul 11 08:50:18 Haraken: yep Jul 11 08:50:29 ok i think i found a solution to our problem Jul 11 08:50:36 we can't get it working because of apps2sd Jul 11 08:50:42 hello Jul 11 08:50:46 I haven't tested it yet, but I'm in the process of it Jul 11 08:50:47 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=486767&page=18 Jul 11 08:50:57 they link the same app you linked me, and the first post describes our problem and how to fix it Jul 11 08:51:56 How can I get the APIs for Gyroscope sensor and Tricorder Sensor??? I can't find any documentation of them on Android Dev website Jul 11 08:52:53 can someone help me, please? Jul 11 08:54:38 * Ahmad slaps ChanServ around a bit with a large trout Jul 11 08:54:55 How can I get the APIs for Gyroscope sensor and Tricorder Sensor??? I can't find any documentation of them on Android Dev website Jul 11 08:55:22 ive never even heard of them Jul 11 08:55:32 by gyroscope do you mean accelerometer? Jul 11 08:55:38 or compass Jul 11 08:55:55 wtf is a tcorder sensor? Jul 11 08:56:41 Haraken: yeah I just tried it again and the laptop keeps saying "Obtaining IP Address..." and keeps trying to connect but nothing happens on the phone (no notification that someone is trying to connect)...i looked at the link you gave me...looks like what i'm going through Jul 11 08:57:05 hmm I'm trying it now Jul 11 08:57:11 the instructions aren't exact for my build Jul 11 08:57:16 ie I don't have /system/sd/data/ Jul 11 08:57:28 the file they are talking about is in /data/data/ Jul 11 08:58:58 I actually don't understand what they are doing to resolve hte problem Jul 11 08:59:14 seems it's a waste of time because the file is still in the same location Jul 11 08:59:17 just linked from another Jul 11 09:05:46 Haraken: ggrrrr...i wanna get this to work! lol Jul 11 09:05:59 prodigy, lemme know if you figure it out because this is bugging me now :( Jul 11 09:16:32 snadge http://developer.android.com/reference/android/hardware/Sensor.html#TYPE_GYROSCOPE Jul 11 09:17:41 brb agaiun Jul 11 09:17:45 gonna try using pc while rebooting laptop Jul 11 09:18:18 * wm_eddie finally owns an android phone now. Jul 11 09:18:22 Ahmad: erm... I know there's no tricorder in any Android device - it's just in the API in case of future support - and I don't think there are any devices with gyroscopes either Jul 11 09:22:03 prodigy, well if I try connecting with my windows desktop I can at least see some information being uploaded on the tether screen, but that's a bout it. Jul 11 09:22:28 gonna try rebooting my phone to see if that will make any difference Jul 11 09:23:27 Haraken: based on that thread on the forum, someone says that if dnsmasq is not running, you'll get that "unknown state - please reboot phone message" which is what I'm getting when I start tethering Jul 11 09:23:55 the issue is not with iptables, because that is working just fine Jul 11 09:23:56 you get please reboot phone message? Jul 11 09:24:05 the problem is when i manually start dnsmasq Jul 11 09:24:07 I get Jul 11 09:24:15 dnsmasq: failed to find list of interfaces: Permission denied Jul 11 09:24:28 su first? Jul 11 09:24:29 then try? Jul 11 09:24:54 Haraken: I am root Jul 11 09:24:59 ah Jul 11 09:25:23 Haraken: strange thing also is...why does it work for soo many people, yet for soo many others it doesn't lol Jul 11 09:26:21 dnsmasq appears to be running on my phone Jul 11 09:26:42 root 448 1 784 348 c00c18dc afe0c584 S /data/data/android.tether/bin/dnsmasq Jul 11 09:27:09 seems iptables rules are in place too Jul 11 09:28:38 Leeds: do you know where to find the API for Digital Compass sensor? Jul 11 09:29:26 Haraken: hm...how do I reinstall binaries? Jul 11 09:29:37 hit menu then go to setup Jul 11 09:29:39 then hit menu again Jul 11 09:29:43 and it will be the big button that pops up Jul 11 09:29:46 tried that already no luck Jul 11 09:30:25 Ahmad: yes, I do Jul 11 09:31:31 Leeds: would you tell me, please? Jul 11 09:33:28 http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=site%3Adeveloper.android.com+magnetic+sensor Jul 11 09:33:56 hi all Jul 11 09:34:02 hi Jul 11 09:35:03 I want to play a music (a loop) in background when i'm clicking on a button. How can i do that? Thanks :) Jul 11 09:35:22 I use the media player for play single mp3 Jul 11 09:35:55 it's work fine, but how can I "start" or "stop" a loop on a onclick? Jul 11 09:36:01 using thread for loop maybe ? Jul 11 09:36:57 hm, can i use ifconfig to see the interface ip addresses on this phone? Jul 11 09:37:13 typing it via terminal just doesn't give any output Jul 11 09:40:00 I think you need to specify an interface name Jul 11 09:40:19 prodigy, ah well thanks for giving me a new project to work on. I'll be giving up on it for tonight but not for good. :) Jul 11 09:42:37 Haraken: sucks!!! man..i wanna get this to work rofl Jul 11 09:45:15 Haraken, use netcfg Jul 11 09:46:12 anyone for "playing a media player loop on onclick" Jul 11 09:46:19 ^^^ Jul 11 09:46:20 Nevor, thanks Jul 11 09:47:00 prodigy, gonna try one more thing before giving up now that i can get ips of devices Jul 11 09:52:19 hm actually this won't even work since it's not even connecting right Jul 11 09:52:42 yeah don't think it's a problem with dnsmasq :/ Jul 11 09:52:46 was gonna try to statically assign the ip Jul 11 09:53:02 I'm uninstalling, rebooting and then reinstalling the app Jul 11 09:53:09 let's see what that does, some people said that this fixed it Jul 11 09:53:15 prodigy, what rom you using Jul 11 09:53:21 cyanogen's Jul 11 09:53:25 me too :( Jul 11 09:53:38 even though his page says it works Jul 11 09:54:22 Do anyone know the function of the Pressure Sensor, documented in: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/hardware/Sensor.html#TYPE_PRESSURE ? Jul 11 09:56:13 Ahmad: the android sensor API has support for a bunch of sensors which are not available in any current devices Jul 11 09:56:28 in practice, nowadays, you have location, magnetic and orientation Jul 11 09:56:30 prodigy, heading to bed, if you figure it out please leave me a memo on memoserv :) Jul 11 09:57:19 Leeds: I know. I am asking what is meant by Pressure Sensor? is it for ambient air pressure ? touch screen pressure ?? Jul 11 09:57:32 I would assume air pressure Jul 11 09:59:11 Leeds: Also accelerometer, and light sensor are supported in some Android devices, and not sure about temperature Jul 11 10:33:12 where can I see the log produce by the emulator ? Jul 11 10:33:21 on my onCreate : Log.d("Test", "first log"); Jul 11 10:33:25 lolcat Jul 11 10:33:31 adb logcat Jul 11 10:33:44 adb lolcat is funnier Jul 11 10:34:46 I use the android emulator provide by ADT Jul 11 10:35:53 anyone experienced with JSON libraries in android's code Jul 11 10:35:58 ? Jul 11 10:40:39 I've found a bug in some platform code, how can I submit it? Jul 11 10:46:57 prodigy, I didn't go to bed, infact I tried and start working on this tether thing again. I am convinced there is something in cyanogenmod's rom that is stopping it from working. I even tried a different tether app called anetshare. Jul 11 10:47:32 what's the problem? Jul 11 10:48:03 the app starts up fine, tetherign works. when you try to connect to the network it doesn't connect properly. it just kind of sits there with no ip and no link Jul 11 10:48:34 er tethering doesn't work* Jul 11 10:48:49 it starts program though, and there aren't any errors Jul 11 10:49:09 dnsmasq gets starts and iptables gets configured, the ip_forward in proc returns a 1. Jul 11 10:49:38 Haraken: i'm using wifi tether for root on the latest cyanogen stable without problem Jul 11 10:49:55 itp, apps2sd also? Jul 11 10:50:04 yeah Jul 11 10:50:06 wow Jul 11 10:50:27 I wonder what prodigy and I did to have the same/similar problem Jul 11 10:50:44 hey, doesnt android support usb modem when connected to linux laptop? seems like it only mounts the sdcard, but dont support dialup Jul 11 10:50:52 htc magic btw Jul 11 10:50:54 if you forgot to flash boot, your kernel won't include iptables Jul 11 10:51:33 aziwoqpd, flash boot? Jul 11 10:51:55 aziwoqpd, you mean radio/spl? Jul 11 10:53:00 itp: what sd card class? Jul 11 10:53:10 6 Jul 11 10:53:19 prodigy, I tried moving my app back to internal memory same results. :( Jul 11 10:53:28 did I mentio nthat earlier? if so sorry I'm tired can't remember Jul 11 10:53:35 Haraken: you're on class 4? Jul 11 10:53:39 6 Jul 11 10:53:40 I'm on a 8gig class 4 card Jul 11 10:54:30 the only thing i can think of that was possibly out of the ordinary is that i initially flashed cyanogen 3.6.5 without using apps2sd, set up wifi tether, then switched cards and had it move my apps over Jul 11 10:55:13 hm Jul 11 10:55:30 maybe tomorrow I'll try a fresh flash without apps2sd to see how it works Jul 11 10:55:32 should i use cyanogen's recovery 1.3.1 and just use the option to move apps ? maybe that will fix it? Jul 11 10:56:38 prodigy, are you going to wipe and reinstall with out apps2sd first? Jul 11 10:57:18 Haraken: how do i do that? ensure I only have a fat32 partition without the ext2/3 so it won't do apps2sd? Jul 11 10:57:30 correct Jul 11 10:57:34 hm Jul 11 10:57:40 but i want apps2sd lol Jul 11 10:57:41 if it detects ext2/3 it'll install apps2sd Jul 11 10:57:52 prodigy, delete the ext2/3 temporarily but leave free space Jul 11 10:58:09 and then use the recovery to move apps to sd Jul 11 10:58:11 gotcha Jul 11 10:58:27 after you create the ext2/3 partition again :) Jul 11 10:58:32 yeah Jul 11 10:58:42 you doing that now? if so I'll wait up to see the results :) Jul 11 10:58:52 na, i gotta go to work in 2 hours rofl Jul 11 10:58:56 i should have a micronap Jul 11 10:59:01 heh Jul 11 11:01:32 is broken wifi tether the only problem you two are having? Jul 11 11:02:44 itp: yes Jul 11 11:05:11 I'm heading to bed though before work's calling, so I'll talk to you guys later tonight ( Haraken & itp ) Jul 11 11:05:26 maybe you can get the fix Haraken by the time I get back home from work Jul 11 11:21:52 Is the magnetic sensor and the digital compass the same ????? Jul 11 11:24:01 could you use more quotation marks? Jul 11 11:25:57 man, i realy need toget an intel mac already Jul 11 11:29:25 frez - I have little respect for your grammar nazi skills, being as they are question marks. Jul 11 11:31:01 can anyone help me with that: http://pastebin.com/m37186c45 Jul 11 11:31:10 it's throw a null pointer exception :D Jul 11 11:34:16 EugeneKaway: my mistake, still no need for the overuse.. Jul 11 11:38:02 roob: what is loopPlayer? Jul 11 11:40:33 frez, it's a mediaplayer, i resolve a part of the problem Jul 11 11:41:08 the initialisation of loopPlayer was the problem Jul 11 11:42:29 roob: yes, I noticed that :) Jul 11 11:42:51 do you know how to get the current path ? Jul 11 11:43:27 my loopPlayer.setDataSource(path), throw an exception :D, I think the path is not good Jul 11 11:44:05 hello guys, can someone help me with this? Jul 11 11:44:16 how do i send data from an app to another widget Jul 11 11:44:22 two different applicaitions Jul 11 11:44:58 roob: Sorry, I'm not that familiar with the android SDK yet :S Jul 11 11:45:08 ok :) Jul 11 11:48:59 how to close the browser in android 1.5 (G1)? Jul 11 11:51:49 press the home button Jul 11 11:55:36 Falcon4ever, but then its only in the background, isn't?! Jul 11 11:57:58 as i understood it, it only gets completely closed when there is a lack of memory Jul 11 11:58:55 hm Jul 11 12:01:23 markuman: aye, but android takes care of it Jul 11 12:01:34 but if you really really want to shut it down Jul 11 12:01:38 use a taskmanager or smth Jul 11 12:02:02 there is no real 'exit' button in the browser Jul 11 12:02:30 hm k Jul 11 12:14:10 I'm generating openGL textures from a mutable bitmap on the fly, but im getting out of memory, i assume openGL needs to free the old texture, but how do i do this? Jul 11 12:14:34 frez - maybe he's really confused ? :-p Jul 11 12:46:38 how can i get the context from within the widget? I need to open a database, and it takes a context as it's parameter Jul 11 13:01:35 so I'm billed by the minute on my EDGE usage Jul 11 13:01:41 ideas on how to deal with that on android? Jul 11 13:02:54 airplane mode ;-) Jul 11 13:03:19 or remove the sim Jul 11 13:08:55 i modified the c++ part in android but then i get a segfault (11). i've got no clue where in my code is causing this... do you know a tool to help debugging this? Jul 11 13:15:35 hello Jul 11 13:25:37 kennyyu: c++ part of what? Jul 11 14:15:54 vol_: you have test my rom ? Jul 11 14:22:31 Hey Jul 11 14:22:44 Do you guys feel that the number of android users is increasing Jul 11 14:24:46 Most people I see here in NYC who own G1s have very vanilla setups. Jul 11 14:24:53 Not sure they are aware of the power!~ Jul 11 14:25:29 haha, I love Yusuf's "read between the lines" here: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/a2d5b1ad718b3277# Jul 11 14:25:44 zelrikriando, yes Jul 11 14:26:15 KNY: I was told they dont sell well Jul 11 14:26:24 especially here in Canada Jul 11 14:26:32 G1s have sold modestly well in the USA. Jul 11 14:26:44 the iphone has been taking most of the spotlights Jul 11 14:26:51 The iPhone is king. Jul 11 14:26:52 zelrikriando, let them have it Jul 11 14:27:08 It doesn't help that every Android or Palm Pre review/article ends up giving the iPhone more press. Jul 11 14:27:19 Blackberry reviews are not tarnished with that. Jul 11 14:27:56 I have heard that the Hero is set to make more noise though Jul 11 14:28:06 (I am running it now :p) Jul 11 14:28:07 zelrikriando: It is better spec wise. Jul 11 14:28:27 darweth, it's the same as the un-crippled magic, no? Jul 11 14:28:43 (with the addition of a 3.5mm jack) Jul 11 14:28:45 I have an uncrippled Magic Jul 11 14:28:45 Is it? Oh well. Shows what I know! Jul 11 14:28:57 The Hero runs pretty well on it Jul 11 14:28:58 congratulations, zelrikriando Jul 11 14:29:16 thanks Jul 11 14:29:24 I wrote a small tuto on how to do it Jul 11 14:29:32 I am running TMobile cupcake. Jul 11 14:29:35 :P Jul 11 14:29:39 because the tutos I followed were not as great Jul 11 14:29:58 you guys in US arent very lucky Jul 11 14:30:30 I thought you would get better android phones earlier Jul 11 14:30:48 My G1 is serving me more than well for now. Jul 11 14:30:50 who cares about the phones? we get cheap data :) Jul 11 14:30:53 same, darweth Jul 11 14:31:13 oh yeah on the carrier side Jul 11 14:31:14 if it wasn't for the pseudo-proprietary CMDA, US would rarely get early/exclusive phones Jul 11 14:31:17 you are very lucky Jul 11 14:31:50 my plan is expensive Jul 11 14:31:50 Leeds, CDMA is a curse placed upon this land Jul 11 14:31:55 KNY: I'm paying US$50 per month for unlimited fast 3G, and effectively unlimited talktime Jul 11 14:32:09 Leeds, I didn't say *only* the US Jul 11 14:32:22 I was simply saying that canada has high data costs Jul 11 14:32:39 oh, Canada Jul 11 14:32:40 ;) Jul 11 14:32:54 Canada has the shittiest wireless phone companies ever Jul 11 14:33:23 problem is low density of people here Jul 11 14:33:35 so overall more cost to maintain the network Jul 11 14:34:28 whereas HK is ridiculously dense Jul 11 14:34:59 HK ? Jul 11 14:35:06 hong kong? Jul 11 14:35:20 yes Jul 11 14:35:24 ok Jul 11 14:36:16 I am stuck with a 3year plan now Jul 11 14:36:28 Well, that's no surprise. Hong Kong is huge. It's basically an NYC sized city with a much better location. Or much worse if you hate humidity. Jul 11 14:36:36 because for a 2 year plan, I d pay a fortune for the phone Jul 11 14:36:45 er, what? Jul 11 14:39:12 GiantTalkingCow: HK has half the population of metro NY, in 1/6 the area - and 2/3 of the land in HK is undeveloped, so it's more like 1/18 the area Jul 11 14:40:00 Leeds: I should've left out the burroughs. And I was referring to population, not actual city size. Jul 11 14:40:20 NY is huge in size Jul 11 14:40:21 actually, less than half - but yes, approximately the same population in NYC and HKSAR Jul 11 14:41:19 Yeah, Manhattan on its own is pretty damn big... I forget the exact square mileage. Jul 11 14:41:35 but urban HK is a lot denser than NYC - I'm assuming NYC is pretty much 100% urban Jul 11 14:41:36 USA! USA! USA! USA! Jul 11 14:42:06 Leeds: It is. Jul 11 14:43:39 all figures from wikipedia: HK has an area of 1100sq km, 25% developed, so say 300sq km urban... NYC has an area of 1200sq km Jul 11 14:46:38 Yeah, that sounds about right. Jul 11 14:56:33 anyone know of an app that updates all of your other apps? it is a pain trying to go in and update every one manually Jul 11 14:59:48 nah closest is atrackdog even then you still have to do it yourself Jul 11 15:00:49 ah ok Jul 11 15:09:23 anyone get any joy running ettercap on a g1? has this been done? Jul 11 15:10:18 help! what does "debuggerd committing suicide to free the zombie!" want to tell me ? Jul 11 15:10:28 digitaltao: i don't think it's been ported yet.. though i think someone was Jul 11 15:10:53 hmm Jul 11 15:11:08 any one on sprint ever try to switch a number between 2 plans in the same account Jul 11 15:14:43 zinx, I think I read some where Jays Debian image has ettercap, aircrack-ng and tcpdump on it...Can anyone confirm this? Jul 11 15:15:33 Debian has ettercap/aircrack-ng/tcpdump Jul 11 15:15:42 I don't know that they work with the G1's wireless driver, though. Jul 11 15:16:01 i guess ettercap/tcpdump would Jul 11 15:16:09 aircrack-ng, not so sure Jul 11 15:16:19 I edited the wiki : http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page Jul 11 15:16:30 hmmmm Jul 11 15:17:14 yea I would not expect aircrack-ng to work Jul 11 15:20:06 hi, can you suggest a way to debug my SIGFAULT error? i did some modification in the webkit code... Jul 11 15:20:32 s/SIGFAULT/SEGFAULT/ Jul 11 15:23:38 Who is working on the wiki here? Jul 11 15:27:06 DarkriftX maintains the site that wiki is on Jul 11 15:29:55 ok Jul 11 15:32:46 can anyone help me find the right context of a method ? Jul 11 15:33:07 http://pastebin.com/m52453fc0 - line 18 Jul 11 15:35:45 johnnyzen_: i don't see any line 18 :) Jul 11 15:36:42 sorry wrong pastebin - this is the right one: http://pastebin.com/d25568c6 Jul 11 15:37:26 what you see on line 18, is my attempt of trying to work it out. Jul 11 15:46:04 johnnyzen_: tried getApplicationContext() ? Jul 11 15:46:55 yeah, because within a static class, not liking that Jul 11 15:50:57 all sorted :) Jul 11 16:08:48 anyone know how to reformat the g1? even the filesystem below? Jul 11 16:09:07 for some reason i have a stuck file in the /var folder and it wont go away Jul 11 16:09:24 define 'stuck' ? Jul 11 16:10:02 stale nfs file handle Jul 11 16:10:10 I guess he means accessed denied lol Jul 11 16:10:18 <_Auron|G1_> heh, like needing Unlocker on windows? Jul 11 16:10:20 need to either reformat or run fsck.yafs2 Jul 11 16:10:41 but fsck doesnt have yaffs2 on the g1 Jul 11 16:10:46 hi _Auron|G1_ Jul 11 16:11:58 bah stupid irc disconnected, anyone have an answer? Jul 11 16:12:27 i would think a new update.zip would overwrite the linux filesystem but it doesnt seem to Jul 11 16:13:17 yellowdart: what are you trying to do Jul 11 16:13:56 my apt-get died during an upgrade, that corruped /var/lib/dpkg/updates/tmp.i and i cant get rid of it (stale nfs file handle) Jul 11 16:14:27 'stale nfs file handle' ... very strange Jul 11 16:14:35 <_Auron|G1_> yo Jul 11 16:14:48 i would expect that to occur only when using nfs... Jul 11 16:14:50 yellowdart: on what OS Jul 11 16:14:55 g1 JF Jul 11 16:15:12 its not it happens when the file gets corrupted Jul 11 16:15:36 i need to run fsck.yaffs2 but that doesnt come with the phone, or reformat... i thought a new update.zip would take care of that but it doesnt seem to Jul 11 16:15:45 I am not using the g1 Jul 11 16:16:06 I would think about wiping the thing Jul 11 16:16:17 but I am a noob so dont listen to me :p Jul 11 16:16:20 i already wiped with the bootloader and it didnt fix the filesystem Jul 11 16:16:26 how the fuck do you have a stale nfs handle on a non-nfs filesystem? Jul 11 16:16:43 also, apt-get isn't a regular command on Android Jul 11 16:16:57 sigh Jul 11 16:17:12 =) Jul 11 16:17:25 http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-492818.html Jul 11 16:17:28 wiping with the bootloader just wipes user data Jul 11 16:17:37 sorry what was that, this java client stinks ;-) Jul 11 16:18:00 Wiping with Recovery tool wipes everything Jul 11 16:18:13 i wiped with recovery, rerooted and i got the same thing.... Jul 11 16:18:23 how the fuck do you have a stale nfs handle on a non-nfs filesystem? Jul 11 16:18:35 i dont think it redoes the os Jul 11 16:18:50 a stale nfs handle can happen with a corrupted file Jul 11 16:19:08 without nfs? doubt it Jul 11 16:19:16 he is making stuff up Jul 11 16:19:17 :p Jul 11 16:19:36 anyway, I think an ancient free software maxim applies in this case: Jul 11 16:19:59 you break it, you get to keep the pieces Jul 11 16:20:20 * sipa1024 downloads android source code to see where this error can be generated :D Jul 11 16:20:29 lol Jul 11 16:20:40 it's a virus Jul 11 16:21:10 bah ill brb i need to switch this client Jul 11 16:36:17 what you use for resign the apk system ? Jul 11 16:36:54 on linux Jul 11 16:37:57 http://developer.android.com/intl/fr/guide/publishing/app-signing.html Jul 11 16:37:59 nothing. Jul 11 16:39:45 hi, is the NETWORK_PROVIDER location provider available in the 1.5 emulator? Jul 11 16:45:16 "Keeps telling me update available every hour.....got annoying" Jul 11 16:45:23 I love the bugs in the Android market Jul 11 16:45:24 :( Jul 11 16:47:42 heh. i couldn't take it anymore. i preordered a touch book Jul 11 16:47:42 :) Jul 11 16:47:47 hope it is a real thing Jul 11 16:54:30 \o Jul 11 16:54:46 hi yo Jul 11 16:57:25 whats going down Jul 11 16:57:41 does anyone know what colours the g1 led can flash Jul 11 16:58:08 I suppose getting the recovery utility tells me the system didn't boot correctly? Jul 11 16:58:44 <_Spyrorocks> Just reading a thread where you can turn your G1 into an access point... thats a pretty kick ass idea. Jul 11 16:58:59 _Spyrorocks: wiki teather? Jul 11 16:59:00 _Spyrorocks: does it work? :) Jul 11 16:59:00 heh Jul 11 16:59:05 that would be awesome Jul 11 16:59:06 wifi Jul 11 16:59:09 if you could use at least wep Jul 11 16:59:09 <_Spyrorocks> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444004 Jul 11 16:59:14 but wpa2 would be great :) Jul 11 16:59:18 <_Spyrorocks> Thats the ultimate teather Jul 11 16:59:49 facelessloser: red, green, blue, and combinations there-of Jul 11 16:59:59 thanks Jul 11 17:00:01 facelessloser: though not many combinations due to the limited accuracy Jul 11 17:00:12 thats old Jul 11 17:00:27 (i think they each have ~16 brightnesses, and they are not synced so fullbright on all of them is white) Jul 11 17:00:40 zinx: thanks for that, ive seen mine do blue green and red and organge Jul 11 17:01:28 zinx: is there a app to test the colours or anyway of doing it Jul 11 17:01:47 <_Spyrorocks> "On RC29 phones and lower, anything you type into your keyboard is also being run in a hidden console with root permissions." Jul 11 17:01:52 <_Spyrorocks> Thats kind of strange Jul 11 17:01:52 http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/ Jul 11 17:10:49 i weird thing happended to my g1 befor. it was on standby but when i went to check it it was completely turned off and when i went to charge it to see if it was flat it wouldnt come on Jul 11 17:11:01 i had to jack the battery then put it back in and turn it ou Jul 11 17:11:05 on* Jul 11 17:11:11 anyone had that befor Jul 11 17:11:49 cant say that i have Jul 11 17:19:39 its all fine and dandy now tho Jul 11 17:19:55 and the battery wasnt flat it had way over 50% left Jul 11 17:20:01 facelessloser, yep, my old one did that. Call t-mobile and they'll exchange it Jul 11 17:20:15 facelessloser, mention that when you plug it in, the charging LED won't even come on (it won't, if you test it) Jul 11 17:20:26 i didnt get if from t mobile Jul 11 17:20:36 well call whoever Jul 11 17:20:39 my old one got progressively worse--to the point where it was doing it multiple times per day at one point Jul 11 17:20:44 facelessloser, but it's a G1? Jul 11 17:20:46 yeah thats true i tryed to kinda force it to wake Jul 11 17:21:05 yeah but its not on contract and i dowt its under warrenty still Jul 11 17:21:33 facelessloser, I wasn't on contract and I just called them like 8 weeks ago (and I got mine back in last october) Jul 11 17:21:44 and they swapped it for free Jul 11 17:21:47 oh right Jul 11 17:21:58 i mgiht do if it does it again but i think and hope it was a one off Jul 11 17:22:06 facelessloser, what do you have to lose by calling them? ten minutes? Jul 11 17:22:16 yeha thats true Jul 11 17:22:44 just be sure to mention that it won't turn on the LED when you plug it in (because that will make them realize it's a hardware issue) Jul 11 17:23:17 KNY: thanks for that Jul 11 17:23:33 i might give them a ring tomorrow, think they will be closed for today Jul 11 17:23:44 facelessloser, no problem. It's a huge pain in the ass to pull it out of your pocket and have it pseudo-bricked Jul 11 17:23:58 yeah Jul 11 17:24:25 KNY: is it quite a comom problem Jul 11 17:24:42 facelessloser, until you, I was the only one I've known that's had it happen Jul 11 17:24:42 haha Jul 11 17:25:04 KNY: crazy times Jul 11 17:25:16 you and I just got lucky, I guess Jul 11 17:26:27 lol yeah Jul 11 17:26:54 im trying to make the perfect hard boiled egg at the mo whats the best times to leave it boil for Jul 11 17:27:05 totaly off topic i know Jul 11 17:28:06 hi all. new android user here. what would be, if there's any, a good email client for the android? Jul 11 17:28:21 i will need to use multiple different imap accounts Jul 11 17:29:15 facelessloser, 3 minutes or something? Jul 11 17:29:19 elementz, K-9 Jul 11 17:29:23 thanks Jul 11 17:29:38 KNY: that the best one? is it ose? Jul 11 17:29:47 im mean foss Jul 11 17:29:48 yes Jul 11 17:30:00 thx Jul 11 17:30:30 http://code.google.com/p/k9mail/ Jul 11 17:30:30 hmm does k9 do different imap accounts though?, i know it has aliases for composing email Jul 11 17:30:38 MoonUnit, yes Jul 11 17:30:49 (at least, I believe it does) Jul 11 17:31:52 hmm i see an accounts button, but it crashed k9 when i click it Jul 11 17:32:26 MoonUnit, are you running the latest version? Jul 11 17:32:28 it works for me Jul 11 17:32:59 have 1.004 Jul 11 17:33:00 oh btw is there a good mediaplayer? maybe even mplayer based? Jul 11 17:33:01 <_Spyrorocks> I like how google lets you refund a paid app within 24 hours if you don't like it. Thats definatly an advantage for consumers over the iphone app store. Jul 11 17:34:05 elementz, all media players are limited to the builtin codecs, so no mplayer :< Jul 11 17:34:15 hrmpf Jul 11 17:34:23 thx though Jul 11 17:34:27 hope the ndk will change that in the future Jul 11 17:34:52 anyone know why when I pull recent kernel/common or kernel/msm there is no arch/arm/mach-goldfish? Jul 11 17:34:58 MoonUnit, yeah, it's pretty sad that they only exposed libc, libm, libz, and liblog Jul 11 17:36:11 in a review of the htc hero i read: We had a sit down with HTC execs and learned that the Hero is not a "Google Experience" device. As such, you won't find the Google logo anywhere on the device (no big deal) but you also won't be downloading any apps over the air -- sideloading only kids. Jul 11 17:36:22 anyone knows what that means precisely? Jul 11 17:36:28 KNY, have no idea what that mean, not a dev Jul 11 17:36:29 sipa1024, no Market client? Jul 11 17:36:43 MoonUnit, I guess that means "don't count on it" Jul 11 17:36:48 are there any popular 3rd party marketplace loaders yet? Jul 11 17:36:59 wow no markey on hero O.o Jul 11 17:37:02 KNY: if that's the case, i won't buy it... Jul 11 17:37:03 *market Jul 11 17:37:33 sipa1024, just a guess. Why not wait for the device to come out? Jul 11 17:37:51 i definitely will wait :) Jul 11 17:37:59 but maybe someone here knew Jul 11 17:38:01 pre-order! Jul 11 17:41:13 aha got it, in an updated version it says: As such, you won't find the Google logo anywhere (no big deal) but you also won't be downloading any firmware updates over the air -- sideloading only kids Jul 11 17:41:40 KNY, i presume that ill need to root my phone for k9mail to work? Jul 11 17:41:56 elementz, uh, no Jul 11 17:42:00 you can install it from the Market Jul 11 17:42:08 KNY, 1.005 fixes account button for me Jul 11 17:42:08 elementz, /join #k-9 Jul 11 17:42:12 didnt find it there Jul 11 17:42:18 elementz, search for K9 Jul 11 17:42:26 thx Jul 11 17:43:50 heh Jul 11 17:44:04 i'm still confused as to why the stock email app Jul 11 17:44:12 keep saying i have new mail when i don't Jul 11 17:45:17 really hate it when the browser refreshes the page when i come back to it, so annoying. Jul 11 17:46:20 better to install k9 from the site directly Jul 11 17:46:26 the beta is better than the app in market Jul 11 17:46:36 yeah much better Jul 11 17:47:00 built in app can't handle self signed certs Jul 11 17:47:05 MoonUnit: some sort of mem thing? Jul 11 17:47:13 you mean when you go back into browser and it reloads? Jul 11 17:47:57 yeah, if i was last on a heavy page it bogs the phone down and ihave to stop it Jul 11 17:48:10 trying to move over stuff to steel atm Jul 11 17:48:37 least i can exit that and have it start with the light weight google seach page Jul 11 17:49:56 yeah tha tis pretty irritating Jul 11 17:50:02 argh. now android doesn't boot anymore :-( Jul 11 17:50:05 wish steel imported bookmarks/logins Jul 11 17:50:22 eh, it does, but stops at the screen displaying the android logo Jul 11 17:50:56 FreakGuard, what did you do to it? Jul 11 17:51:11 MoonUnit: installed the developer version from htc to a rooted g1 Jul 11 17:51:59 did you wipe? Jul 11 17:52:42 I suppose no Jul 11 17:53:12 hi, i've some troubles with android on htc kaiser, is there anybody with kaiser? Jul 11 17:54:11 MoonUnit: what do you mean by wipe anyway? Jul 11 17:55:26 urban_, start by stating what problem you're experiencing, not by taking a poll :) Jul 11 17:55:38 alt-w in recovery Jul 11 17:56:15 KNY, i cant make any call, i've got "call ended" when i press the call button Jul 11 17:56:48 i've searched, and its working for many people, i think its maybe a radio rom problem, am i right? Jul 11 17:57:10 MoonUnit: oh, works again Jul 11 17:57:11 so i've joined here before i reflash my radio rom Jul 11 18:01:31 urban_: uhm Jul 11 18:01:50 urban_: you didn't flash your radio befor eupdating to cupcake or something? Jul 11 18:04:56 Macer, no, i've got radio rom 1.71.09.01, i've flashed this few months ago Jul 11 18:06:24 what does your baseband version say under settings? Jul 11 18:07:57 wait a second, booting android Jul 11 18:07:58 ;) Jul 11 18:09:02 have the jtag pins been found for the g1? Jul 11 18:09:27 my another question is about sign up to google - it didn't work, i am connected to the net via modem app, net is working, but not signing to google Jul 11 18:10:15 and the third - what could be reason for ie. terminal app from dev tools cant save settings? i've changed font to 10pt, but after presing ok, nothing changes Jul 11 18:10:28 tachang: have a brick ? Jul 11 18:10:34 and after entering settings second time there is 9pt font Jul 11 18:10:54 urban_: is it possible you simply are not using a font that can scale to 10pt? Jul 11 18:11:10 Macer, baseband says "Unknown" Jul 11 18:11:14 urban_: wow Jul 11 18:11:18 you're screwed Jul 11 18:11:20 * Macer goes to eat Jul 11 18:11:42 download the cupcake radio update and install it and hopefully you will be ok Jul 11 18:11:43 :) Jul 11 18:11:48 bbl Jul 11 18:11:57 Macer, what you mean by cupcake radio update? Jul 11 18:13:40 Macer, and about term settings - it doesn't save even background which i've switched to black, so its not a problem with font ;) Jul 11 18:25:41 urban_: there is a radio update Jul 11 18:25:49 what phone you have? Jul 11 18:30:39 AakashPatel: is the connectivy-problem (fixed by toggeling air-plane-mode) fixxed in the new update? Jul 11 18:30:52 uh Jul 11 18:30:54 i dont know Jul 11 18:30:56 try it out XD Jul 11 18:31:02 mhh.. its very annoying -.- Jul 11 18:31:08 what os you run? Jul 11 18:31:10 version Jul 11 18:31:12 1.5? Jul 11 18:31:25 using my g1 as remote-control for my mythtv .. and every 10 second I am forced to toggle airplane-mode -.- Jul 11 18:31:30 1,5yes Jul 11 18:31:32 uh Jul 11 18:31:38 then you should have upgraded Jul 11 18:31:44 lookat your baseband version Jul 11 18:31:46 what is it? Jul 11 18:32:24 damn, battery is empty.. will tell it to you tomorrow ;) Jul 11 18:32:31 lol Jul 11 18:32:38 you can boot into the bootlaoder and it will tell you Jul 11 18:32:40 :0 Jul 11 18:32:48 if you have enough for that lol Jul 11 18:32:51 how to boot into? Jul 11 18:33:00 uh hold camera + power Jul 11 18:33:07 thx Jul 11 18:33:37 seems to be to low bat ;) Jul 11 18:33:41 lol Jul 11 18:33:55 it lays on my girlfriends floor last days :P Jul 11 18:33:59 layed* Jul 11 18:34:06 haha Jul 11 18:34:19 i have to charge mine like twice a day XD Jul 11 18:34:32 me once a day, if I am a lucky guy :P Jul 11 18:34:40 ha Jul 11 18:34:42 another very annouying point of it Jul 11 18:35:00 it's soo "beta" .. and so expensive.. Jul 11 18:35:23 ? Jul 11 18:35:29 android isnt really beta ;) Jul 11 18:35:41 the g1 ;) Jul 11 18:35:46 heh Jul 11 18:35:49 i have the adp1 lol Jul 11 18:36:03 seems to lay on the "1" :D Jul 11 18:36:13 but it looks like the g1 Jul 11 18:36:24 seems to be the same ;) Jul 11 18:36:29 lol it is Jul 11 18:36:40 hardware is exactly the same Jul 11 18:36:54 kk :D Jul 11 18:37:40 im not deep enough into it.. read that Ill able to write my own software using java, and its running a linux.. and i just thought: get it Jul 11 18:37:43 but.. Jul 11 18:37:46 *grml Jul 11 18:38:18 lol Jul 11 18:39:11 will get some beer .. see ya ;) Jul 11 18:40:21 lolcya Jul 11 18:46:45 holy shit..... Jul 11 18:47:13 the my location thing on google maps on my computer got it EXACTLY right Jul 11 18:48:17 how... Jul 11 18:49:15 lol now it quit working right :) Jul 11 18:50:49 Hey guys, I'm trying to install the eclipse plugin, and when I try to add the repository url from the documentation, I get "No repository found at...". Visiting that url in a browser gives a 404. https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/eclipse/ -- any ideas? Jul 11 18:51:34 yea Jul 11 18:51:38 you cant look at it from teh browser Jul 11 18:51:46 you have to enter it in eclipse... Jul 11 18:52:01 and sometimes that doesnt work either for me :/ so i downloaded the zip from the dev website Jul 11 18:52:02 ok I dont have 3G network anymore Jul 11 18:52:08 I think it's because of the rom Jul 11 18:52:14 AakashPatel: in your computer... you mean inside the emulator? Jul 11 18:52:27 sipa1024: no, firefox Jul 11 18:52:49 google.com/maps Jul 11 18:52:57 has a my location thing now Jul 11 18:59:42 AakashPatel: hmm where? Jul 11 19:00:00 there's a button Jul 11 19:00:05 on top of the zooom bar Jul 11 19:00:16 it's grey here :) Jul 11 19:00:26 click it :) Jul 11 19:01:01 doesn't do anything Jul 11 19:01:08 heh Jul 11 19:01:11 then idk lol Jul 11 19:01:27 it worked so close over here that im scared lol Jul 11 19:01:32 sipa1024: what browser? Jul 11 19:01:36 firefox Jul 11 19:01:36 hey how to set up the APN Jul 11 19:01:44 3.5? Jul 11 19:01:48 but if i zoom out, it becomes orange Jul 11 19:01:54 ah Jul 11 19:02:01 and if i click it it says drag me to a street Jul 11 19:02:04 cuz firefox asks you if you wanna share your location Jul 11 19:02:10 oh Jul 11 19:02:13 no Jul 11 19:02:15 thats not right Jul 11 19:02:24 hold on Jul 11 19:02:29 maybe we're taling about something else Jul 11 19:02:34 sec let me start ff 3.5 Jul 11 19:03:05 k Jul 11 19:03:12 you're talkin about street view Jul 11 19:03:19 http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/13/picture1ahn.png Jul 11 19:03:26 you see that button on top of the little guy? Jul 11 19:03:32 yes Jul 11 19:03:39 but i see what you mean now Jul 11 19:03:43 :) Jul 11 19:03:46 it only appears in ff 3.5 Jul 11 19:04:06 cuz that version has the my location thing Jul 11 19:04:23 OMFG Jul 11 19:04:29 i did it again...its EXACT Jul 11 19:04:34 it's 800m wrong :) Jul 11 19:04:44 how.... Jul 11 19:04:46 for me Jul 11 19:04:47 i have a stupid understanding problem: I have an Layout with an ListView and an Activity which inherit from ListActivity. How can i implement the event which raise when I click on an Item in the list? Jul 11 19:04:48 how....is this possible Jul 11 19:05:04 how close is it for you? Jul 11 19:05:22 hold on lol Jul 11 19:05:37 My APN settings are fucked Jul 11 19:05:42 how do I fix it Jul 11 19:05:45 this atom is a lot hotter than promised Jul 11 19:06:09 sipa1024: http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5819/picture1rwx.png Jul 11 19:06:19 that building in the bottom right Jul 11 19:06:30 thats how close o.o Jul 11 19:06:31 wow, that's ridiculously close Jul 11 19:06:59 you're using a laptop? Jul 11 19:07:09 yep Jul 11 19:07:22 because apparently it uses your ip address + access points Jul 11 19:07:47 ...how does it know access points locations??? Jul 11 19:08:09 maybe there's some database Jul 11 19:08:20 thats....scary lol Jul 11 19:09:12 google is storing AP positions Jul 11 19:09:41 who else would build a database of something like that :p Jul 11 19:09:56 and why Jul 11 19:10:29 do they drive by my house and look up who's networks are avail? Jul 11 19:10:34 do/so Jul 11 19:10:52 creepers lol Jul 11 19:13:08 maybe they use your gsm/gps position to locate APs Jul 11 19:13:41 I'm actually creating a database of all APs in the island I currently reside, along with their position. Jul 11 19:13:42 maybe the hax0r our fones Jul 11 19:13:47 and report ap and gps locations XD Jul 11 19:14:48 oh I fixed it Jul 11 19:14:51 eheheh Jul 11 19:15:09 AakashPatel: no, its part of the location api Jul 11 19:15:45 damn, im still confused on how they know where my ap is w/o driving by my house and checking locations of SSID's Jul 11 19:17:18 AakashPatel: maybe they are... with streetview cars Jul 11 19:20:44 yeah :/ Jul 11 19:33:21 I got scared for a bit Jul 11 19:35:11 you should Jul 11 19:43:07 hm Jul 11 19:43:22 toshiba has released a laptop with built in cell processors on top of a core2duo Jul 11 19:49:04 hmm Jul 11 19:49:11 some idiot spamed the wiki Jul 11 19:50:13 * EugeneKay is a fan of Wikipedia's "only registered / confirmed users may create new pages" way of dealing with the problem Jul 11 19:50:28 That, combined with a "revert all from user / IP" script makes for instant de-vandilastion. Jul 11 19:53:43 Macer: whats the point lol Jul 11 19:54:09 because apparently it uses your ip address + access points Jul 11 19:54:10 and Jul 11 19:54:13 maybe they use your gsm/gps position to locate APs Jul 11 19:54:13 AakashPatel: i guess if you actually have software that can use it... Jul 11 19:54:21 why do they need AP? Jul 11 19:54:22 it would beat the crap out of anything Jul 11 19:54:31 i mean... if they already got your IP.... Jul 11 19:54:38 but then again... :) i am reminded of the physX card Jul 11 19:54:41 haha Jul 11 19:54:51 who bought physx anyways? nvidia? Jul 11 19:54:53 lol Jul 11 19:55:01 there're services who are actually pretty darn precise: Jul 11 19:55:02 http://geomaplookup.net/ Jul 11 19:55:08 http://www.infosniper.net/ Jul 11 19:55:17 Macer: lols run wii's OS on your computer Jul 11 19:55:30 this plus gsm is enough Jul 11 19:55:30 wii uses a ppc ;) Jul 11 19:55:39 woa Jul 11 19:55:41 err Jul 11 19:55:43 wha* Jul 11 19:55:52 cell is a ppc too Jul 11 19:55:52 my wii says "IBM CELL" Jul 11 19:55:55 so does ps3 Jul 11 19:55:58 uh? O_o Jul 11 19:56:00 lol Jul 11 19:56:04 heh Jul 11 19:56:08 the main cpus are ppcs Jul 11 19:56:27 power to the pc! Jul 11 19:56:30 i'd love to get osx running on my wii Jul 11 19:56:31 haha Jul 11 19:56:40 even the mars rovers are ppc ^^ Jul 11 19:56:41 * Macer pictures running that from homebrew Jul 11 19:56:48 Macer: try it lol Jul 11 19:56:51 the rovers should have been arm Jul 11 19:56:54 work all day and night Jul 11 19:56:56 damn you NASA! Jul 11 19:57:01 AakashPatel: no thanks Jul 11 19:57:06 make make it boot, and you'll get famous all over the internets Jul 11 19:57:09 i had enough of that fun trying to get it working on the K45 Jul 11 19:57:21 i gave up on osx :) Jul 11 19:57:24 the wm sucks anyways Jul 11 19:57:32 <_Auron_> okay so I need to make that youtube vid amrite Jul 11 19:57:35 wm? Jul 11 19:57:38 windows mobile? Jul 11 19:57:41 window manager? Jul 11 19:57:44 windowmanager Jul 11 19:57:53 ah yes Jul 11 19:57:56 _Auron_ and lemme download the apk Jul 11 19:57:57 ;) Jul 11 19:58:01 what do they call the osx window manaager anyways? Jul 11 19:58:03 aqua? Jul 11 19:58:04 <_Auron_> heh Jul 11 19:58:05 finder? Jul 11 19:58:07 or is that vista? Jul 11 19:58:07 :P Jul 11 19:58:12 i got window server (the macos service) leak on my ram :/ Jul 11 19:58:17 it wasn't pretty Jul 11 19:58:33 no.. vista is aero Jul 11 19:58:36 (since i wasted some time of umts connection) Jul 11 19:58:41 Tiibiidii: an IP may be enough to locate your ISP, but most probably not enough to know what street you live (and i'm glad for that...) Jul 11 19:58:42 AakashPatel: they call their windowmanager aqua Jul 11 19:58:45 aqua is the interface name or sometmshit Jul 11 19:58:54 yeah :)... it sucks Jul 11 19:59:00 Jul 11 19:59:02 lol Jul 11 19:59:02 yeah Jul 11 19:59:04 but Jul 11 19:59:04 i haz x11 Jul 11 19:59:06 also Jul 11 19:59:07 Anyone: I need to get the root view for a findViewById which is 3 deep within a static class. can anyone help ? Jul 11 19:59:09 i guess in your case Jul 11 19:59:13 it was "luck" Jul 11 19:59:16 in my case Jul 11 19:59:17 AakashPatel: doesn't it run IN x11? Jul 11 19:59:23 i have no idea Jul 11 19:59:27 its precision is about 2000 meter Jul 11 19:59:30 parent.findViewById is nearly there, just need one more "something.parent.findViewById" ? Jul 11 19:59:39 AakashPatel: you use GV ? Jul 11 19:59:39 your on credits... Jul 11 19:59:39 like i think to run x11 apps it just starts a new server Jul 11 19:59:39 but the main wm runs in xorg anyways Jul 11 19:59:44 don't know for sure though Jul 11 19:59:54 fleebailey3 ;) Jul 11 20:00:20 what do they call the osx window manaager anyways <-- it doesn't have a true window manager i guess (maybe it's "window server")... it's linux the outlier with it's plurality of swappables window managers Jul 11 20:00:21 fleebailey3 the messaging UI Jul 11 20:00:32 is what i worked on Jul 11 20:00:36 yea Jul 11 20:00:40 Tiibiidii: haa Jul 11 20:00:50 oh ok Jul 11 20:00:52 well Jul 11 20:01:05 make it so i can exclude people from calling through GV Jul 11 20:01:09 like my gf is on tmobile Jul 11 20:01:10 (linux and *bsd, and solaris, and whatever) Jul 11 20:01:13 and no sense using minutes Jul 11 20:01:17 ? Jul 11 20:01:19 Tiibiidii: i don't like the other widnow managers either Jul 11 20:01:20 but otherwise, i want gv Jul 11 20:01:28 if i set to always use gv Jul 11 20:01:30 make it happen :P its OSS Jul 11 20:01:30 personally i think the best window manager is windows xp to tell you the truth Jul 11 20:01:32 :) Jul 11 20:01:35 i want an exception list Jul 11 20:01:36 lol Jul 11 20:01:37 bleh Jul 11 20:01:47 this means i have to work with java Jul 11 20:01:49 Tiibiidii: i don't like the other widnow managers either <-- i hoped that compiz would have unified gnome& kde Jul 11 20:01:49 i would rather die Jul 11 20:01:53 osx sucks. don't even get me started on gnome.. kde isn't too bad... xfce is ok too i guess Jul 11 20:01:53 hah\ Jul 11 20:01:54 i was wrong :( Jul 11 20:02:04 blackbox is great for that ultra minimalist thing Jul 11 20:02:08 Macer: so what is great? Jul 11 20:02:16 AakashPatel: its actual use? Jul 11 20:02:25 i mean, what window manager Jul 11 20:02:30 i think osx clutters too easily unless you have 3 30" screens Jul 11 20:02:34 Anyone: I need to get the root view for a findViewById which is 3 deep within a static class. can anyone help ? Jul 11 20:02:50 at least that was my experience on the macbook Jul 11 20:02:54 with its small screen :) Jul 11 20:03:00 spaces Jul 11 20:03:14 fleebailey34: yeah.. that's what i mean. you need to use spaces to the extremem on a smaller screen Jul 11 20:03:19 and even that starts to get cluttered Jul 11 20:03:21 Macer: i use two monitors with spaces Jul 11 20:03:26 works out fine lol Jul 11 20:03:35 it just didn't feel like a fluid use of a computer Jul 11 20:03:44 * AakashPatel feels it Jul 11 20:03:45 AakashPatel: me too Jul 11 20:03:46 :P Jul 11 20:03:48 i was constantly moving windows or tabbing to other ones Jul 11 20:03:52 I'm now using a JesusFreke ROM - pretty good working, execpt the home key doesn't work as intended... let's say the system still recognizes it (switching out of sleep), but it doesn't work anywhere else Jul 11 20:03:58 cmd + h Jul 11 20:04:13 fleebailey34: hm...did i see you in ##finance? Jul 11 20:04:15 FreakGuard: ummm, under spare parts Jul 11 20:04:20 try changing what it does Jul 11 20:04:22 a few months back? Jul 11 20:04:23 AakashPatel: yes.... Jul 11 20:04:26 ah Jul 11 20:04:27 im still there Jul 11 20:04:28 ##finance Jul 11 20:04:30 ? :) Jul 11 20:04:34 yeah lol Jul 11 20:04:35 fleebailey34: what? Jul 11 20:04:44 AakashPatel: aren't you part of the rich caste? Jul 11 20:04:50 o.0 Jul 11 20:04:55 how old are you? Jul 11 20:05:19 Macer: o.O no Jul 11 20:05:29 seriously? I thought you said your grandmother was rich in india Jul 11 20:05:32 oh Jul 11 20:05:34 yeah Jul 11 20:05:36 so wouldn't that make you also part of the rich caste? Jul 11 20:05:36 she is haha Jul 11 20:05:39 anyone able to help me ? Jul 11 20:05:40 fine Jul 11 20:05:43 i suppose lol Jul 11 20:05:49 with a context question ? Jul 11 20:05:49 is she hot? Jul 11 20:05:50 hahaha Jul 11 20:05:55 is she old? Jul 11 20:05:59 can i still get in the will? Jul 11 20:06:00 fleebailey34: o.O shes 90 Jul 11 20:06:03 so if you lived in india you would technically be considerd rich your entire life Jul 11 20:06:05 good Jul 11 20:06:08 because you were born to be rich Jul 11 20:06:10 she only got a few years left Jul 11 20:06:14 haha Jul 11 20:06:15 and ill take her fortune Jul 11 20:06:22 and that is what was chosen for you at your birth :) Jul 11 20:06:23 hahah Jul 11 20:06:38 is sense a UI developt by htc that runs on top of android? Jul 11 20:06:39 Macer: ooo good point Jul 11 20:06:40 haha Jul 11 20:06:55 wow. don't you read up on your culture? Jul 11 20:07:03 who reads shit Jul 11 20:07:09 i listen to stories hah Jul 11 20:07:36 FreakGuard: did you skip registration by chance? :) Jul 11 20:07:48 Macer: in the US we would be considered above middle class but not rich :P Jul 11 20:08:02 in india...we're RICH Jul 11 20:08:04 haha Jul 11 20:08:06 ha Jul 11 20:08:49 lol Jul 11 20:08:53 wikipedia is going slow Jul 11 20:09:33 Macer: lol i remember last time i went, its like everyone within a 100 mile radius knows our family Jul 11 20:09:36 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_in_india Jul 11 20:10:00 JesusFreke: oh, the boss itself :-) - let me see Jul 11 20:10:22 Macer: hm....ive never read about that Jul 11 20:11:32 JesusFreke: well, I can access my gmail, so I suppose it's a yes Jul 11 20:11:54 FreakGuard: spare parts Jul 11 20:11:59 under the apps Jul 11 20:12:01 you skipped registration, so you can access gmail? that doesn't make much sense ;) Jul 11 20:12:07 there is a preference for home button, humor me Jul 11 20:12:16 hah Jul 11 20:12:19 <_Auron_> JesusFreke: want me to show stroids in person when I visit? Jul 11 20:12:25 fleebailey34: ARGH. tell me it's an app :D Jul 11 20:12:34 FreakGuard: lol Jul 11 20:12:45 listen to fleebailey3. I have no clue :). I've only seen happen when you skip registration Jul 11 20:12:46 i didn't think i had too..... Jul 11 20:12:52 _Auron_: definitely :) Jul 11 20:13:21 jesus saves, moses invests Jul 11 20:13:56 woah Jul 11 20:14:01 two frekes haha Jul 11 20:14:02 lol Jul 11 20:14:05 lol Jul 11 20:14:07 oh Jul 11 20:14:12 damn your fleebailey34 Jul 11 20:14:15 lol Jul 11 20:14:18 * fleebailey34 swats AakashPatel Jul 11 20:14:32 fleebailey34: hm. can't find anything about the home button in spare parts, execpt something like "end button behavoir" Jul 11 20:14:33 FreakGuard: did it work? Jul 11 20:14:40 FreakGuard: that Jul 11 20:14:44 wait Jul 11 20:14:45 oops Jul 11 20:14:48 yea Jul 11 20:14:51 wronjg button Jul 11 20:14:58 * fleebailey34 slaps self Jul 11 20:15:10 FreakGuard: if nothing else, you can try a wipe of course Jul 11 20:15:11 FreakGuard: you can make it act like home button... Jul 11 20:15:23 i need to sleep more Jul 11 20:15:27 me too Jul 11 20:15:28 gnite Jul 11 20:15:29 <_Auron_> alright lemme fix the asteroid and swirlie AI then I'll make a vid Jul 11 20:15:33 JesusFreke: let's try that. Jul 11 20:15:45 JesusFreke: working on anything cool? Jul 11 20:15:46 where are the contacts? Jul 11 20:15:51 just to be on the save side Jul 11 20:15:52 under contacts Jul 11 20:15:58 in the filesystem Jul 11 20:16:00 google server Jul 11 20:16:04 hmmm Jul 11 20:16:05 synced Jul 11 20:16:05 oke Jul 11 20:16:10 or should be Jul 11 20:16:16 you should double check Jul 11 20:16:32 heh Jul 11 20:16:35 AakashPatel, about this cupcake radio update - i've got kaiser with latest ION from androidonhtc.com and i cant make any phone call, baseband says "unknown" so Macer says i've to install cupcake radio update Jul 11 20:16:59 urban_: sounds right Jul 11 20:17:08 fleebailey3: just rewriting dexlib (part of smali/baksmali) to make it less porcine :) Jul 11 20:17:27 hi all Jul 11 20:17:31 fleebailey34, is it right update? http://www.androidfanatic.com/cms/unofficial-app-repo.html?func=fileinfo&id=26 Jul 11 20:17:39 what would be the best media player for android? Jul 11 20:17:41 they are. Jul 11 20:18:01 elementz: the stock stuff Jul 11 20:18:12 speaking of mediaplayer Jul 11 20:18:12 urban_: looks right Jul 11 20:18:16 * MACER stares at AakashPatel Jul 11 20:18:18 MACER: there is nothing else? Jul 11 20:18:20 doesnt say version number Jul 11 20:18:20 weren't you working on something? Jul 11 20:18:27 AakashPatel: !! Jul 11 20:18:27 boxee or something? Jul 11 20:18:31 o.0 Jul 11 20:18:31 what???? Jul 11 20:18:33 sopt it Jul 11 20:18:37 whats happening Jul 11 20:18:39 fleebailey34, ok, so downloading, its an android app fot update? Jul 11 20:18:41 your dying Jul 11 20:18:46 he is learning about being an indian Jul 11 20:18:46 no Jul 11 20:18:48 update.zip Jul 11 20:18:52 is there a good list of the best android apps? any recommendations? Jul 11 20:18:52 with his caste system Jul 11 20:18:54 ah Jul 11 20:18:56 :) Jul 11 20:19:09 lol Jul 11 20:19:09 once he finds out he is in a higher caste he is going to move to india Jul 11 20:19:12 i want to make an android app Jul 11 20:19:17 one of my freinds needs help install flash :/ Jul 11 20:19:17 but i don't like java Jul 11 20:19:19 and run in their political elections Jul 11 20:19:24 elementz: "best app" tends to be a very subjective thing ;) Jul 11 20:19:26 AakashPatel: on a pc? Jul 11 20:19:30 JesusFreke: i agree Jul 11 20:19:33 fleebailey34, ok, i've downloaded it, and what should i do with? Jul 11 20:19:45 rename update.zip Jul 11 20:19:54 and reboot to recovery and apply Jul 11 20:20:01 and reboot to recovery and apply jf updater Jul 11 20:20:02 JesusFreke: i know. i mean just some nice introductory list of apps, that would help for a good start Jul 11 20:20:04 on the market Jul 11 20:20:07 can install it to Jul 11 20:20:22 yea on pc Jul 11 20:20:30 AakashPatel: i feel sorry for you Jul 11 20:20:32 fleebailey34, ok, so i'll try on the market Jul 11 20:20:41 jf updater Jul 11 20:20:41 but... i'cant sign in with google account Jul 11 20:20:46 and you can select witjh that Jul 11 20:20:49 o.0 Jul 11 20:20:51 well Jul 11 20:21:11 fleebailey34: this is the second time this same kid asked me :/ Jul 11 20:21:38 lawl Jul 11 20:21:44 for ie ? Jul 11 20:21:47 at least ie is harder Jul 11 20:21:54 opera, chrome, ff, its so easy..... Jul 11 20:21:55 network is working, but application to sign with google is saying that cant esablish connection Jul 11 20:22:01 not like the other way is hard Jul 11 20:22:03 firefox Jul 11 20:22:03 whats wrong? Jul 11 20:22:10 urban_: got internet connection Jul 11 20:22:14 AakashPatel: pathetic Jul 11 20:22:17 i know :/ Jul 11 20:22:21 download, click, install Jul 11 20:22:24 it even shows up in his plugin's list Jul 11 20:22:31 i told him to upgrade and call me back later Jul 11 20:22:33 lol Jul 11 20:22:40 * fleebailey34 sighs Jul 11 20:22:48 i gotta play with my wii tonight Jul 11 20:22:57 work on homebrew Jul 11 20:23:03 oooh, i need dvd-r Jul 11 20:23:10 oh, and is there a means to import my contacts apart from gmail or simcard? Jul 11 20:23:13 all i got is +r Jul 11 20:23:24 elementz_: there are apps to do so Jul 11 20:23:43 fleebailey34: any hints? Jul 11 20:23:46 JesusFreke: home key seems to work again. Jul 11 20:23:55 * elementz_ had a network disconnect -sry Jul 11 20:23:58 fleebailey34, of course it wont broke my kaiser if i install this update? and i will be able to use WM too? Jul 11 20:24:02 elementz_: search contacts Jul 11 20:24:11 uhhhhh Jul 11 20:24:16 urban_: no clue..... Jul 11 20:24:18 fleebailey34: thx Jul 11 20:24:30 FreakGuard: yeah, I would be quite surprised if it didn't after you wiped and registered. But I have no clue why it wasn't in the first place. Jul 11 20:24:54 JesusFreke: and the scheme thingy works again Jul 11 20:24:57 i asked the verizon dude at the mall about android phone Jul 11 20:25:02 he said not untill 4g Jul 11 20:25:08 i think he was smoking crap Jul 11 20:25:13 eww Jul 11 20:25:15 and didn't know what i was talkjing about Jul 11 20:25:18 crack Jul 11 20:25:21 or crap Jul 11 20:25:21 I didn't know people smoked that Jul 11 20:25:32 yea, he was dumb Jul 11 20:25:39 JesusFreke: he reaked of it, :P Jul 11 20:25:59 i am so excited Jul 11 20:26:05 \o/ Jul 11 20:26:06 i get 3g, anytime now Jul 11 20:26:06 how to get connect-bot generated pubkeys to my laptop? Jul 11 20:26:13 tmobile said, q3 09 Jul 11 20:26:21 in my city. Jul 11 20:26:30 FreakGuard: pastebin? (kidding.. :D) Jul 11 20:26:40 JesusFreke: pah Jul 11 20:27:06 FreakGuard: I honestly don't remember how I had done it. maybe I had emailed it to myself. I don't recall Jul 11 20:27:10 any good openstreetmap apps in the market / selwhere? Jul 11 20:27:29 and is there a map app with caching? (3g isn't cheap) Jul 11 20:27:34 fleebailey34, I'm supposed to get it in february. Last february. Jul 11 20:27:45 =/ Jul 11 20:27:57 FreakGuard: oh, I remember Jul 11 20:28:03 i keep debating another company Jul 11 20:28:21 but as soon as i do, 3g will arrive, next day Jul 11 20:28:26 FreakGuard: I just sshed in to my computer normally, and echo + paste into the file Jul 11 20:28:33 (normally, meaning via password) Jul 11 20:28:55 JesusFreke: notepad app and export to sd? Jul 11 20:29:11 note everything is good Jul 11 20:29:38 no, I didn't use a notepad app. iirc, I just pasted it on the commandline in an ssh session Jul 11 20:30:30 echo "" >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys Jul 11 20:30:50 connectbot has functionality to copy the public key, right? Jul 11 20:30:59 it's been a while since I did it, so I may not remember right :) Jul 11 20:31:36 generating..................... Jul 11 20:32:01 fleebailey34: shoot me Jul 11 20:32:03 now. Jul 11 20:32:08 * JesusFreke shoots AakashPatel Jul 11 20:32:11 ha Jul 11 20:32:18 I got him first :p Jul 11 20:32:20 hallelujah Jul 11 20:32:20 * fleebailey34 shoots JesusFreke then AakashPatel Jul 11 20:32:53 * AakashPatel absorbs the bullet Jul 11 20:32:55 damn. I knew I shouldn't have been standing between fleebailey34 and AakashPatel Jul 11 20:32:57 FEED ME Jul 11 20:33:14 eat lead! Jul 11 20:33:25 mmmm Jul 11 20:33:27 zesty Jul 11 20:33:27 bah plumbum. Jul 11 20:33:36 o.o Jul 11 20:33:42 dingleberries Jul 11 20:33:50 dingleberry! Jul 11 20:33:56 i havnt heard that word Jul 11 20:34:05 since i watched a george carlon skit Jul 11 20:34:13 lol Jul 11 20:34:14 up there with cornhole Jul 11 20:34:15 JesusFreke: how to paste the pubkey? Jul 11 20:34:21 pubekey Jul 11 20:34:21 on his list of words people dnt use anymore Jul 11 20:34:35 FreakGuard: I don't remember exactly. It's been a while :) Jul 11 20:34:45 * _Auron_ is in a good mood today Jul 11 20:35:04 <_Auron_> friends visited yesterday and I came up with a bunch of enemy ideas for Stroids today. Jul 11 20:35:21 striods? Jul 11 20:35:25 any knights who say ni? Jul 11 20:35:39 that obviously say ni! when you shoot them Jul 11 20:35:43 i should make a came called that Jul 11 20:35:45 it would be baseball players Jul 11 20:35:45 trying to join the ranks Jul 11 20:35:46 without getting caught Jul 11 20:35:54 for using steriods Jul 11 20:36:04 could buy more powerfull drugs to get there quicker Jul 11 20:36:09 but then be banned Jul 11 20:36:25 hmmmm Jul 11 20:36:27 <_Auron_> fleebailey33: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNPZz6S7XLw Jul 11 20:36:33 im on edge Jul 11 20:36:37 no youtube please Jul 11 20:36:39 =/ Jul 11 20:36:52 <_Auron_> vid demonstration of the game I'm working on for android Jul 11 20:36:56 <_Auron_> which is called Stroids Jul 11 20:37:04 cool Jul 11 20:37:09 what kind of game? Jul 11 20:37:10 argh Jul 11 20:37:21 fleebailey34: you can't tell from the name? ;) Jul 11 20:37:30 JesusFreke: had to ask... Jul 11 20:37:30 <_Auron_> game like geometry wars/roboton/smash tv Jul 11 20:37:42 omg. smash tv Jul 11 20:37:46 battle bots game Jul 11 20:37:47 haven't even thought of that in ages Jul 11 20:37:47 <_Auron_> :D Jul 11 20:37:54 <_Auron_> same concept though right? Jul 11 20:37:59 <_Auron_> destroy tons of enemies? Jul 11 20:38:01 oh yay Jul 11 20:38:10 <_Auron_> AakashPatel: not the new vid yet Jul 11 20:38:19 i like buka Jul 11 20:38:24 and retro defense Jul 11 20:38:25 my parents are gonna pay me to make an program that i can stream audio from the mic port of my comp to another comp Jul 11 20:38:31 i wonder how hard that is Jul 11 20:38:35 <_Auron_> oh :P Jul 11 20:38:43 <_Auron_> probably not very hard at all Jul 11 20:38:43 AakashPatel: one probably out there Jul 11 20:38:44 over network Jul 11 20:38:48 i wanna make on! Jul 11 20:38:50 one* Jul 11 20:38:51 <_Auron_> brb Jul 11 20:38:54 oh Jul 11 20:38:55 ok Jul 11 20:39:08 hm....java Jul 11 20:39:10 mmmm Jul 11 20:39:16 svn checkout icecast Jul 11 20:39:16 :P Jul 11 20:39:21 heh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shT6w7Pyb7U Jul 11 20:39:43 fleebailey3wazhat Jul 11 20:40:06 but i wanna make it cusomized to my shit, i wanna KNOW THE CODE ;) Jul 11 20:41:42 this might take some time lol Jul 11 20:43:53 what's this "end (red) button" btw? Jul 11 20:44:42 <_Auron|G1_> I wonder if I should make another game as soon as I finish Stroids Jul 11 20:44:49 <_Auron|G1_> I need income soon :/ Jul 11 20:45:17 FreakGuard: it's the button you end calls with Jul 11 20:46:16 oh Jul 11 20:46:53 <_Auron|G1_> I'll have a good rendering engine with text output Jul 11 20:46:57 nav4all wants a bunch of privileges.... Jul 11 20:47:11 <_Auron|G1_> can make anything pretty quick Jul 11 20:47:54 http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/sound/capturing.html Jul 11 20:47:57 oh yes :) Jul 11 20:48:34 hey guys i used this guide to make a swap partition for my G1 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=531988&highlight=Swap+Partition%3F Jul 11 20:48:39 does it start up at boot? Jul 11 20:51:27 anyone? i want to know if it works during boot Jul 11 20:51:51 i guess no Jul 11 20:52:25 but to be sure i should know what does that shell script Jul 11 20:52:39 hmm' Jul 11 20:53:00 the same fact that they say: Jul 11 20:53:10 "if you want to verify that you have your swap space running now or after a reboot " Jul 11 20:53:41 means that after a reboot you'll have it disabled... and so you'll want to check Jul 11 20:54:02 JesusFreke: hm. there's a comment on spare parts in the market "needed to wipe afterwards" - looks like fancy input sucks :-) Jul 11 20:55:06 how do i check, im a noob at this i just follwed that guide and wnat to know its during after i turn off and back on my phone Jul 11 20:55:33 enter the terminal Jul 11 20:55:35 type "free" Jul 11 20:55:40 if you see Jul 11 20:55:46 swap 0 0 0 Jul 11 20:55:49 it's unactive Jul 11 20:56:09 if it's something like Jul 11 20:56:18 swap 32000 0 32000 Jul 11 20:56:32 it's active Jul 11 20:57:32 hi all Jul 11 20:57:37 ok thank u Jul 11 20:57:39 ill try it out Jul 11 20:58:50 could someone help me Jul 11 20:59:15 is there a way of turning off notifactions when your in bed Jul 11 20:59:18 * Falcon4ever gives facelessloser 5ct Jul 11 20:59:53 falcon4ever: whats 5ct Jul 11 21:02:02 oh yes, i love you sample clode Jul 11 21:02:04 code* Jul 11 21:02:34 could someone tell me whats slow sd with hero rom Jul 11 21:03:03 wat Jul 11 21:03:21 what is slow sd Jul 11 21:03:31 its been menstioned with the hero roms Jul 11 21:03:38 you know what an sd card is? Jul 11 21:03:54 it's one of those. that is slow. Jul 11 21:04:18 meaning that reads and writes take longer than on one that is fast Jul 11 21:06:19 bleh, how the hell would i stream a ByteArrayOutputStream over the net Jul 11 21:06:29 on desktop java Jul 11 21:06:38 tcp connection? Jul 11 21:06:54 yeah...but...how lol Jul 11 21:07:06 * AakashPatel goes to try gewgle again Jul 11 21:07:09 socket or something like that? Jul 11 21:07:28 yes using socket Jul 11 21:07:45 lols i gonna figure out how to Jul 11 21:07:49 use a socket Jul 11 21:07:58 well, you've got to setup something on the host side that listens for incoming connections on a specific port. And then on the other side, you connect to other side using that port Jul 11 21:08:19 I don't know the specific APIs, but I can't imagine they would be hard to find and use :) Jul 11 21:08:57 yeah, im gonna have a java client that accepts the connection, then a java server that streams the audio Jul 11 21:09:13 been too long since i played with network things in java Jul 11 21:09:21 http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/networking/sockets/clientServer.html Jul 11 21:09:43 oooo Jul 11 21:09:45 thanks Jul 11 21:10:47 basically: new Socket(hostname,port), and use .getInputStream() and .getOutputStream() on the returning object Jul 11 21:12:09 and ServerSocket(port) on the other side Jul 11 21:12:52 is java socket programming o/s dependant? Jul 11 21:13:25 the apis are (should be?) the same, regardless of OS Jul 11 21:13:37 java is meant to be os independent Jul 11 21:13:40 I would be extremely surprised if they weren't Jul 11 21:14:11 they go all the way defining a virtual machine it runs on, to guarantee this independence Jul 11 21:14:29 i see. that's neat, it was a pain to do that in C Jul 11 21:14:30 and surely some non-standard libraries will not be supported for every platform Jul 11 21:14:47 but such basic things will work anywhere Jul 11 21:15:10 wingless: it sure is... writing a C networking application right now :) Jul 11 21:15:45 haha good luck Jul 11 21:17:17 lols im still trying to figure out what to put after Jul 11 21:17:19 Socket test = new Socket("localhost" , 555); Jul 11 21:17:21 test.getInputStream().wtfgoeshere Jul 11 21:29:57 lol Jul 11 21:30:09 sure wish i had that cell assisted video encoding NOW Jul 11 21:31:47 WTF Is up with your NICK Jul 11 21:42:17 wtf Jul 11 21:42:19 java.net.BindException: Permission denied Jul 11 21:42:33 ServerSocket ss = new ServerSocket(555); Jul 11 21:42:35 Socket s = ss.accept(); Jul 11 21:42:37 PrintWriter pw = new Jul 11 21:42:38 PrintWriter(s.getOutputStream()); Jul 11 21:42:40 pw.print(byteArrayOutputStream); Jul 11 21:42:41 there's my server :/ Jul 11 21:43:29 sipa1024 any ideas? Jul 11 21:47:00 oh, i have to run java as root Jul 11 21:47:05 :-P Jul 11 21:47:13 it's trying to take over a port Jul 11 21:47:40 oh well, at least the server is working i think XD Jul 11 21:47:44 now its client time Jul 11 21:47:54 what server? :) Jul 11 21:48:08 boxee? Jul 11 21:48:10 heh Jul 11 21:48:10 im trying to stream mic audio over internet Jul 11 21:48:14 lol nah not today Jul 11 21:48:29 AakashPatel, on android? Jul 11 21:48:33 no.. Jul 11 21:48:38 on desktop lol Jul 11 21:48:42 /join ##java Jul 11 21:48:54 nooo Jul 11 21:48:57 their meanies Jul 11 21:49:01 I'm guessing it's because your port is below 1024 and those are reserved for root Jul 11 21:49:11 (typically) Jul 11 21:49:21 Open TCP Port: 555 dsf Jul 11 21:49:23 oh yes :) Jul 11 21:50:03 KNY: i guess soo Jul 11 21:50:15 since i changed it to 5555 and it doesnt ask for rewt no more Jul 11 21:50:24 so, KNY++? Jul 11 21:50:33 KNY++ :P Jul 11 21:50:33 mic audio over the internet? Jul 11 21:50:38 pray tell why? Jul 11 21:50:42 VOIP? Jul 11 21:50:58 MACER: ehh long story Jul 11 21:51:04 goes along with security system Jul 11 21:51:06 ;) Jul 11 21:51:10 AakashPatel: was that open TCP stuff supposed to have colors? Jul 11 21:51:22 colors? Jul 11 21:51:23 drubin, nothing in IRC is supposed to have colors Jul 11 21:51:26 oh Jul 11 21:51:27 except nick highlights Jul 11 21:51:38 KNY: But that isn't irc that is client :) Jul 11 21:51:55 AakashPatel: lol Jul 11 21:52:00 you're trying to bug computers? Jul 11 21:52:05 KNY: Only reason I am asking is my client is showing d 2 ha in colors.. and I am confused why Jul 11 21:52:07 haha Jul 11 21:52:08 and phones? Jul 11 21:52:09 haha Jul 11 21:52:33 hahah wtf Jul 11 21:52:34 won't people notice when their phone loses a charge 5x faster constantly streaming audio over 3G? Jul 11 21:52:48 Its not for phone! Jul 11 21:52:50 lol Jul 11 21:53:39 wait, so this is for your phone? Jul 11 21:53:47 oh Jul 11 21:53:54 :) Jul 11 21:53:55 i think he's lying Jul 11 21:54:02 he's trying to bug his gf's phone Jul 11 21:54:12 it's ok AakashPatel. i won't judge Jul 11 21:54:44 hahahha Jul 11 21:54:48 i have latitude for that Jul 11 21:55:23 well. hard to hear when her and her man on the side are having sex on it Jul 11 21:55:37 LOL Jul 11 21:56:06 better watch out for that mail man.. haven't you ever seen the sock puppet porn? Jul 11 21:56:45 haha Jul 11 21:57:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBVaAPx2280&eurl=http://video.google.com/videosearch%3Fq%3Dsock%2Bpuppet%2Bporn%26emb%3D0%26aq%3Df&feature=player_embedded Jul 11 21:58:48 lol cant watch, must finish client! Jul 11 22:04:45 <_Auron_> okay going to make the video after I finish this sandwich Jul 11 22:04:50 java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused Jul 11 22:04:52 aww Jul 11 22:04:54 wh Jul 11 22:04:55 y Jul 11 22:05:06 do you have a server running? Jul 11 22:05:15 ServerSocket ss = new ServerSocket(5555); Jul 11 22:05:16 Socket s = ss.accept(); Jul 11 22:05:19 PrintWriter pw = new Jul 11 22:05:20 PrintWriter(s.getOutputStream()); Jul 11 22:05:22 pw.print(byteArrayOutputStream); Jul 11 22:05:23 yea Jul 11 22:05:25 thats running Jul 11 22:05:37 are you opening on 5555 and not 555? Jul 11 22:06:01 Socket s = new Socket("locahost", 5555); Jul 11 22:06:02 InputStream in = s.getInputStream(); Jul 11 22:06:05 hm Jul 11 22:06:16 not sure; try ##java Jul 11 22:06:19 Yay codespam :v Jul 11 22:06:26 lol Jul 11 22:06:26 it might be an interface thing Jul 11 22:06:44 is there a way to specify the ip/interface in the server socket? Jul 11 22:07:14 haha Jul 11 22:07:24 isn't there like Jul 11 22:07:26 android-dev? Jul 11 22:07:27 it probably just listens on all interfaces by default though, so that shouldn't be a problem Jul 11 22:07:34 just go there and say you're workign on an android app :) Jul 11 22:07:34 haha Jul 11 22:07:43 and let JesusFreke vouch for you Jul 11 22:07:53 I'm not in #android-dev Jul 11 22:08:06 Hm Jul 11 22:08:14 oh Jul 11 22:08:16 * EugeNetBooK tosses a piece of rope to JesusFreke Jul 11 22:08:19 well.. go there. you have a rep :) Jul 11 22:08:20 haha Jul 11 22:08:29 You know whats next. No escape. Jul 11 22:08:32 not for developing android applications. ;) Jul 11 22:08:41 heh Jul 11 22:08:48 for just building android cupcake builds ? :) Jul 11 22:08:50 I really have done much android dev Jul 11 22:08:57 well... who made the JF Updater? Jul 11 22:09:01 not me Jul 11 22:09:05 wtf? :) Jul 11 22:09:06 it's not my app Jul 11 22:09:10 haha Jul 11 22:09:11 lolllll Jul 11 22:09:22 so this whole time i've been working with my rootkit phone? Jul 11 22:09:29 that downloaded teh fake JF Updater Jul 11 22:09:40 update.zip .. and now all my data is going to some chinese guy? Jul 11 22:09:45 imma run a port scan again :p Jul 11 22:09:52 I was aware of it being created, and was involved in the periphery of it's development. but not line of its code is mine :) Jul 11 22:09:54 i think i should too :) Jul 11 22:10:03 oh Jul 11 22:10:10 ok. that makes me feel better Jul 11 22:10:31 but yeah, it's.. "official sanctioned by JF". :p Jul 11 22:10:31 you working on cupcake at all anymore? Jul 11 22:10:34 haha Jul 11 22:10:45 or are you on sabatical? Jul 11 22:10:46 Open TCP Port: 1025 blackjack Jul 11 22:10:48 hm... Jul 11 22:10:54 yeah. smali/baksmali works for cupcake apps.. :D Jul 11 22:11:27 i should try building android in cygwin for shits and giggles Jul 11 22:11:30 lol wtf Jul 11 22:11:31 java.net.BindException: Address already in use Jul 11 22:11:34 I know this is not the right place, but I don't know where the right place would be, and someone here might be able to answer: is there a preliminary date when paid apps comes to sweden? Jul 11 22:11:37 the client gives me this error now Jul 11 22:11:44 Socket s = new Socket("127.0.0.1", 1025); Jul 11 22:12:23 i should put hero on the touchbook when it gets here Jul 11 22:12:29 i wonder if i will be able to allow it to boot from an sd Jul 11 22:12:33 i don't see why not Jul 11 22:12:42 AakashPatel: can you boot your beagleboard from an sd? Jul 11 22:12:43 how can I tell whether I have 3g or not Jul 11 22:12:47 what's the difference between hero and original? Jul 11 22:12:51 MACER: duh Jul 11 22:12:53 :-P Jul 11 22:12:58 Caelum: there's an icon in the status bar that says 3g Jul 11 22:13:01 Caelum - a #G icon will pop up Jul 11 22:13:05 lol Jul 11 22:13:10 JesusFreke, EugeNetBooK: thank you Jul 11 22:13:11 AakashPatel: well. i never used one Jul 11 22:13:13 <_Auron_> damn this organic wheat bread is chewy Jul 11 22:13:17 <_Auron_> yummy though Jul 11 22:13:19 MACER: im justplayin boi Jul 11 22:13:22 you are booting from an actual sd or from a usb sd? Jul 11 22:13:22 _Auron_: sounds tasty :) Jul 11 22:13:26 does tmobile have a list of where they will roll out 3g next? Jul 11 22:13:38 i figured most netbooks use usb based sd adapters Jul 11 22:13:43 to sidestep some sort of sd fees :) Jul 11 22:13:56 Caelum: I'm sure they do. whether us lowly mortals can see the list or not is another question Jul 11 22:13:58 uh its an actual SD Jul 11 22:13:59 <_Auron_> it is. got the bread from Sprouts Jul 11 22:14:06 hm Jul 11 22:14:07 heh, ok Jul 11 22:14:17 this aspire1 has an internal usb to sd adapter Jul 11 22:14:42 so it looks like an actual sd slot.. but it's really routed through the usb .. i wonder how much money they save doing that Jul 11 22:14:51 2 dollah! Jul 11 22:14:58 JesusFreke: that would be a lot ;) Jul 11 22:15:09 probably $.10 Jul 11 22:16:03 just give it a few decades and that $.10 will be $2 Jul 11 22:16:06 tcp4 0 0 *.blackjack *.* LISTEN Jul 11 22:16:11 wtf is blackjack Jul 11 22:16:20 a blackjack game? Jul 11 22:16:25 that plays online Jul 11 22:16:29 thats my port though lol Jul 11 22:16:31 1025 Jul 11 22:16:36 lol Jul 11 22:16:54 then it's you trying to hide your bugging of your gf's computers and phone Jul 11 22:17:02 string(blackjack) Jul 11 22:17:05 hahaha Jul 11 22:17:15 ; for fooling girlfriend if mail man has computer skills Jul 11 22:17:26 * MACER grins Jul 11 22:17:48 pick something a little better to use as a fake rootkit type name... like.. audio_driver Jul 11 22:18:33 damn vbox sucks on a pc without virtualization Jul 11 22:18:59 no 64bit guest support and only 1 thread Jul 11 22:19:40 how do we tell if we have virtualization support ? Jul 11 22:20:19 install vbox and see if it runs like crap? :D Jul 11 22:20:41 you probably need to look up the specs for your cpu Jul 11 22:20:55 is there a way to virtualize a complete ARM system ? Jul 11 22:21:05 yes Jul 11 22:21:08 JesusFreke: haha Jul 11 22:21:18 there's an emulator in the sdk Jul 11 22:21:18 say like the beagleboard ? Jul 11 22:21:33 JesusFreke: well. i was using opensolaris Jul 11 22:21:36 vbox seemed the thing to use :) Jul 11 22:21:40 http://www.grc.com/securable.htm can tell if you have hardware vitualization Jul 11 22:21:57 it's probably better this way anyways considering it limits the vbox without me doing much Jul 11 22:22:00 i just wanna simulate an OMAP34XX Jul 11 22:22:05 and it doesn't really run like crap Jul 11 22:22:09 shiznebit, you'd have to have an ARM system to virtualize it. Otherwise you're emulating it :) Jul 11 22:22:12 it just doesn't run full speed :) Jul 11 22:22:25 i should just headless the vbox and rdp to it Jul 11 22:22:29 KNY, your right :) My mistake Jul 11 22:22:42 shiznebit, no worries, I'm just being pedantic. Carry on. Jul 11 22:22:42 unfortunately i need an xp vbox for encoding certain videos Jul 11 22:23:24 so how would I emulate an OMAP3400 ? Jul 11 22:24:04 someone was able to get busybox going in qemu using an opensolaris kernel Jul 11 22:24:10 awesome Jul 11 22:24:19 one step closer to running opensolaris on my touchbook Jul 11 22:24:25 (that id on't have yet) Jul 11 22:24:48 MACER: why Opensolaris ? Jul 11 22:25:17 i like the way it is controlled more than linux (plus.. zfs) Jul 11 22:25:23 not that having zfs would matter on a touchbook Jul 11 22:25:26 but still :) Jul 11 22:26:06 you do understand the system will be on the sdcard Jul 11 22:26:10 the administration tools and software seem a little cleaner than most linux distributions and the pkg manager is nice Jul 11 22:26:21 * JesusFreke inserts comment about vaporware and the phantom, in genericnode's absence Jul 11 22:26:27 shiznebit: i thought the system on the touchbook will be on the flash and it will use teh sd as "main storage" Jul 11 22:26:32 which i am guessing would be apps etc Jul 11 22:26:41 no Jul 11 22:26:47 JesusFreke: haha Jul 11 22:27:00 so everything will be on the sd? Jul 11 22:27:02 <_Auron_> I still haven't finished this sandwich Jul 11 22:27:02 the NAND flash is just like RAM Jul 11 22:27:09 it comes with an 8G right? Jul 11 22:27:14 <_Auron_> keep getting distracted by modifying my spawning code Jul 11 22:27:31 MACER: either 8G or 4G Jul 11 22:27:40 i'm pretty sure they said 8G Jul 11 22:27:47 hope it can support larger cards later on :) Jul 11 22:27:55 would be nice to have a 32G sd Jul 11 22:28:03 ill just remove the sdarc Jul 11 22:28:16 and set it up on 128GB flash drive Jul 11 22:28:24 that would be awesome too Jul 11 22:28:44 WOAH Jul 11 22:28:47 i just figured out something! Jul 11 22:28:53 the sdcard will work through one of the internal usbs Jul 11 22:28:56 everytime something requests my server, it crashes! Jul 11 22:28:57 so the gf bugging app works Jul 11 22:29:04 ouch! turn off that lightbulb AakashPatel. you're blinding me Jul 11 22:29:11 shiznebit: seriosuly? Jul 11 22:29:13 that sucks Jul 11 22:29:15 lol Jul 11 22:29:27 but i suppose that is typical Jul 11 22:29:49 MACER: yea well the beagleboards extensions are all through the usb Jul 11 22:29:56 well and the serial port Jul 11 22:30:04 so 480mbit max huh? Jul 11 22:30:10 hope it makes up for it on the seek times Jul 11 22:30:28 MACER: it should be plenty fast Jul 11 22:30:33 hmm...my server is giving me the "java.net.BindException: Address already in use" when something access's it Jul 11 22:30:36 even if SDs are rated at 6MB/s Jul 11 22:30:37 haha Jul 11 22:31:37 ~40MB/s Jul 11 22:31:57 so the bottleneck will be the sd Jul 11 22:32:07 i didn't know that the touchbook was using a beagleboard though Jul 11 22:32:19 WHY???? Jul 11 22:32:25 java.net.BindException: Address already in use Jul 11 22:32:28 it kinda says is on the their info page Jul 11 22:32:40 AakashPatel, something is using that port Jul 11 22:32:44 MACER: the same hardware pretty much Jul 11 22:32:49 KNY: i get that for almost every port :? Jul 11 22:32:59 i tried 1025-1028 Jul 11 22:33:02 and then 555 Jul 11 22:33:10 lol Jul 11 22:33:12 considering that the G1 doesn't lag or bottle-neck everything should work fairly well Jul 11 22:33:14 almost every port...i take that back Jul 11 22:33:15 AakashPatel, are you terminating your application correctly? closing your sockets? Jul 11 22:33:23 hehe Jul 11 22:33:25 he Jul 11 22:33:27 hehehe Jul 11 22:33:28 nope Jul 11 22:33:30 haha Jul 11 22:33:33 durrrr Jul 11 22:34:14 Texas Instruments OMAP3530 with Micron 256MB (RAM) + 256MB (NAND) Memory Jul 11 22:34:22 so the nand is a swap? :) Jul 11 22:34:34 yeap Jul 11 22:34:54 but i think swapiness is set to like 10 Jul 11 22:35:03 so as to not kill the flash Jul 11 22:35:31 Hi! Jul 11 22:36:03 Is SoundPool safe to use now? Jul 11 22:36:27 Previously it was ill advised to use it, but now the API seems to be completely documented... Jul 11 22:37:18 considering people were running Ubuntu and Gimp on their beagleboards i think the touchbook more than enough power for average day computing Jul 11 22:37:21 shiznebit: well. mine is already preordered Jul 11 22:37:22 heh Jul 11 22:37:30 MACER: nice Jul 11 22:37:40 now if only they would ship it Jul 11 22:37:45 along with my phantom gaming console Jul 11 22:37:58 lol pandora ? Jul 11 22:38:11 i gave up on nokia :) Jul 11 22:38:27 plus i didn't like my n800 that much Jul 11 22:38:34 it was ok until you tried to do anything really useful on it Jul 11 22:38:41 like... type something and print from it :) Jul 11 22:38:44 MACER: do you think xournal would compile on the touchbook ? Jul 11 22:39:03 wouldn't anything properly coded compile on a touchbook? Jul 11 22:39:11 will it even come with gcc? :) Jul 11 22:39:26 MACER: well it is using the angstrom distro Jul 11 22:39:33 so no Jul 11 22:39:35 haha Jul 11 22:39:54 you get busybox.. that's it! Jul 11 22:40:10 huh ? Jul 11 22:40:20 KNY: it still crashs when something requests it :( Jul 11 22:40:22 heh.. was just joking Jul 11 22:40:40 shiznebit: but i don't see why anything wouldn't build on a touchbook Jul 11 22:41:04 unless there is something wrong with the src where it doesn't properly build for an arm? Jul 11 22:41:20 do you know if its capactive touch screen or pressure-sensitive touchscreen ? Jul 11 22:41:44 oh...port 6000 doesnt crash Jul 11 22:42:13 they say pressure-sensative Jul 11 22:43:24 or at least that is what i've read about it Jul 11 22:43:33 i just think that compared to my n800.. it is godlike Jul 11 22:43:49 heh.. n800 wasn't too bad.. but this thing seems more realistic as a "smaller" thing to use for school Jul 11 22:44:06 yea absolutly for school Jul 11 22:44:26 honestly the best thing i ever used for school was my su8w bt keyboard with my n95 Jul 11 22:44:29 especially to watch hulu while the professor is babbling away Jul 11 22:44:31 :) Jul 11 22:44:37 AakashPatel, netstat -plan Jul 11 22:44:45 with quickoffice on it Jul 11 22:44:54 not the crappy android one.. but the good n95 oen Jul 11 22:45:00 KNY: AakashPatel:bin AakashPatel$ netstat -plan Jul 11 22:45:01 where you can actually edit docs and spreadsheets Jul 11 22:45:02 netstat: lan: unknown or uninstrumented protocol Jul 11 22:45:45 shiznebit: but the thing is great looking Jul 11 22:45:56 and i think it's nice you can stroll around using it as a tablet too Jul 11 22:46:08 tcp4 0 0 *.6000 *.* LISTEN Jul 11 22:46:09 hopefully you can jus tleave the keyboard charging while you use the tablet but i doubt it Jul 11 22:46:14 well add gps and a car mount ;) Jul 11 22:46:17 nothing is using it!!! Jul 11 22:46:20 shiznebit: haha Jul 11 22:46:30 i'm sure if it takes off (which i really hope it does) Jul 11 22:46:33 AakashPatel, haha, no idea Jul 11 22:46:39 there will be plenty of macfag types of accessories for it Jul 11 22:46:52 like car mounts and protective rainbow skins etc Jul 11 22:47:02 oh boy, sign me up! Jul 11 22:47:08 :) Jul 11 22:47:20 who wants to take a look at my code :P Jul 11 22:47:29 i mean 10+ horus of power Jul 11 22:47:39 i wish they just shipped it already, ill build the linux myself Jul 11 22:47:42 i've ran out of battery life on my macbook plenty of times while in the middle of class Jul 11 22:47:54 AakashPatel, one more time: ##java Jul 11 22:47:54 running around looking for a damn desk with a goddamn power outlet next to it Jul 11 22:48:01 KNY: fine :( Jul 11 22:48:12 MACER: if you haven't noticed its atleast 10 hours of power Jul 11 22:48:16 yeah Jul 11 22:48:20 it says 10+ :) haha Jul 11 22:48:20 meaning at most you could have 20 Jul 11 22:48:23 that's crazy Jul 11 22:48:38 my n800 lasted quite a long time tho Jul 11 22:48:40 so i believec it Jul 11 22:48:41 and you believe them? :D Jul 11 22:48:46 JesusFreke: yes Jul 11 22:48:55 well an 18000mAh of battery Jul 11 22:48:57 my n800 was pretty accurate with its usage time Jul 11 22:49:03 yea sounds believable Jul 11 22:49:10 shiznebit: most of the weight is battery haha Jul 11 22:49:20 I *always* take battery life with a large grain of salt Jul 11 22:49:37 JesusFreke: i did too until i used my n800.. arm stuff lasts long (except the stupid g1) Jul 11 22:49:40 haha Jul 11 22:49:50 but then again the g1 has all this crap to power with such a small battery Jul 11 22:49:51 JesusFreke: thats why when i get i will thoroughly test the battery Jul 11 22:50:02 great, so tmo has 3g in philadelphia but not the part I moved to Jul 11 22:50:03 shiznebit: you preordered one also? Jul 11 22:50:06 hello Jul 11 22:50:21 yea a long time ago Jul 11 22:50:32 Caelum: lol. doncha love that? I love how verizon has FIOS available just a mile away from me. But I can't get it, no sirree Jul 11 22:50:33 Caelum: haha.. taht sucks.. put a high gain unidirectional antenna on the roof and solder an rf connector to the phone Jul 11 22:50:45 maybe you can get the 3G ap Jul 11 22:50:53 hmm Jul 11 22:51:08 JesusFreke: just adhere to the rule of comcast! Jul 11 22:51:18 JesusFreke: i love how FIO is 5 blocks away from me and still I can't get it Jul 11 22:51:20 what speeds is fios getting? Jul 11 22:51:24 no comcast here. they sold out to time warner Jul 11 22:51:34 wow really?? Jul 11 22:51:50 yeah, it used to be comcast, but they sold a couple of years ago Jul 11 22:51:57 damn.. that's odd Jul 11 22:52:04 then again. tw is another beast as well Jul 11 22:52:13 I think I prefer time warner. barely Jul 11 22:52:13 these companies are too big for their own good Jul 11 22:52:19 i'm still waiting for att to fall Jul 11 22:52:37 i swear i will vote against any person who says to bail them out too Jul 11 22:52:50 JesusFreke: comcast is great if you have a business line Jul 11 22:52:53 KNY: i already asked, http://pastebin.com/m2f730099, just so you can look also XD Jul 11 22:52:55 att is failing ? Jul 11 22:52:55 they got really bad on their res lines though Jul 11 22:53:00 shiznebit: i hope so Jul 11 22:53:03 shiznebit: no Jul 11 22:53:04 heh Jul 11 22:53:05 nono Jul 11 22:53:07 no Jul 11 22:53:11 <_Auron_> I don't like att Jul 11 22:53:17 i luvs it Jul 11 22:53:23 AakashPatel: we can only pray it fails Jul 11 22:53:26 <_Auron_> well, I don't like their cellphone service Jul 11 22:53:28 <_Auron_> I like them otherwise Jul 11 22:53:34 i hate all their services Jul 11 22:53:44 the dsl, television, phone service, and cell service.. .all suck in chicago Jul 11 22:53:51 is WAY overpriced Jul 11 22:53:53 <_Auron_> the dsl is awesome in DFW Jul 11 22:54:13 their dsl here gives me at most 70K/s and they said there was no way to get it to go faster Jul 11 22:54:26 comcast gives me 2MB/s Jul 11 22:54:42 Who is in charge of the wiki again Jul 11 22:54:44 2MB/s o.o Jul 11 22:54:58 i gots 1.25MB/s:P:P Jul 11 22:55:01 plus after upgrading to a business line i no longer get the india indian phone calls about me using too much bandwidth because "our policy was unlimited use of the internet.. not unlimited use of the bandwidth" Jul 11 22:55:09 haha Jul 11 22:55:17 30Mb/s :D Jul 11 22:55:19 to this day i never understood taht comment Jul 11 22:55:29 Darkrift2: ? Jul 11 22:55:33 i asked him 20 times what the difference was Jul 11 22:55:35 * EugeNetBooK cuddles his 7mbps DSL Jul 11 22:55:39 heh Jul 11 22:55:53 * MACER has 16mbit on comcast Jul 11 22:55:58 * MACER grins Jul 11 22:56:13 * EugeNetBooK shrugs Jul 11 22:56:17 I just have 8/1, on time warner Jul 11 22:56:18 What's your up? :v Jul 11 22:56:28 2mbit :-\ Jul 11 22:56:39 i haz 1 Jul 11 22:56:41 wish it were faster Jul 11 22:56:43 2 is good for cable though Jul 11 22:56:49 i miss sdsl Jul 11 22:56:50 heh Jul 11 22:57:09 where it was like... 2/2... 4/4.. 8/8 Jul 11 22:57:17 never figured out why they can't offer a symmetrical Jul 11 22:57:26 shiznebit: because adsl is cheaper for them Jul 11 22:57:28 they= cable cos Jul 11 22:57:30 haha Jul 11 22:57:54 Because Async is always cheaper Jul 11 22:57:59 yup Jul 11 22:58:00 heh Jul 11 22:58:20 MACER, reminds me of an old joke: a hardware guy and software guy are bored at work so they take one of their new servers up to the roof, plug it into a long extension cord, and heave it off. They run downstairs to see the carnage and the hardware guy goes "that's amazing! it's still running!" the software guy looks at it and shrugs "yeah, but it's still running HP-UX" Jul 11 22:58:21 phew Jul 11 22:58:42 (that was in reply to "I have 16mbit! (on comcast)" Jul 11 22:59:07 my buddy used to run hp-ux Jul 11 22:59:23 i think i could literally see his hair falling out sometimes Jul 11 22:59:40 i never understood stress in the workplace Jul 11 22:59:43 the worst they can do is fire you Jul 11 22:59:45 :) Jul 11 22:59:52 it's not like they're going to murder you Jul 11 23:00:21 watching people trip over themselves just because a ceo is walking around. haha.. it's disgusting sometimes Jul 11 23:00:24 in our society some people are wired to think getting fired = death Jul 11 23:00:30 shiznebit: i suppose so Jul 11 23:00:32 Was there any good SSH clients for the Magic? Jul 11 23:00:40 ConnectBot Jul 11 23:00:46 Doesn't work. Jul 11 23:00:50 ouch Jul 11 23:01:06 as long as the boss has left for the day, its okay to go crazy Jul 11 23:01:10 wm_eddie, yes it does Jul 11 23:01:18 shiznebit: that's why it's best not to care Jul 11 23:01:24 It gets to the password part and never actually logs in. Jul 11 23:01:59 one guy got fired for popping positive on a pee test for cocaine.. and the next day i walked in saying "man.. good thing this server is running because i just did a massive line of coke." Jul 11 23:02:06 lol Jul 11 23:02:06 It doesn't seem to like my private key either. Jul 11 23:02:10 fear is for the weak Jul 11 23:02:34 wm_eddie: problem with sshd Jul 11 23:02:39 check yhour sshd_config Jul 11 23:02:53 your authentication is not allowing any of the supported connectbot types Jul 11 23:03:08 MACER: What are the connectbot types? Jul 11 23:03:15 uhm.... Jul 11 23:03:28 "let me in." and "damnit! let me in!" Jul 11 23:03:28 * MACER forgets this one... been a while Jul 11 23:03:32 haha Jul 11 23:03:42 random pounding of the keyboard.. hold on let me check Jul 11 23:03:52 only one line of code ? weak Jul 11 23:03:59 s/code/coke Jul 11 23:04:25 depends on how long the line is Jul 11 23:04:27 how many cokes in the line though? Jul 11 23:04:31 shiznebit, yeah, but---damn you Caelum Jul 11 23:04:38 * JesusFreke drinks 10 12oz cokes in a line Jul 11 23:04:50 * KNY bows down to JesusFreke Jul 11 23:05:05 PasswordAuthentication yes Jul 11 23:05:09 try that Jul 11 23:05:10 :) Jul 11 23:05:15 It's there. Jul 11 23:05:19 * zelrikriando wants to talk to the wiki guys :) Jul 11 23:05:22 oh Jul 11 23:05:48 does it not work with the enter key? Jul 11 23:06:06 is there something special I have to do to press enter? Jul 11 23:06:17 PAMAuthenticationViaKBDInt yes Jul 11 23:06:35 no. enter should do it heh Jul 11 23:06:43 have you only tried connecting to your box? Jul 11 23:06:48 is there another shell you can connect to? Jul 11 23:07:02 at least then you will know if it's an sshd or dream thing Jul 11 23:07:28 Linux 2.6.29 with all the required drivers Jul 11 23:07:42 how nice of them to include ALL the required drivers for their product Jul 11 23:07:43 haha Jul 11 23:08:10 I only have my web serveer. Jul 11 23:08:45 I guess I could set up the wifi in my house and try and connect to my computer. Jul 11 23:09:26 or just forward the ssh port on your router Jul 11 23:09:38 MACER: /nick Macer Jul 11 23:09:39 :P Jul 11 23:10:05 PAMAuthenticationViaKBDInt yes is a deprecated option sshd says. Jul 11 23:10:15 AakashPatel: i did that on purpose Jul 11 23:10:22 I already have UsePAM yes. Jul 11 23:10:50 Macer: why? ;) Jul 11 23:10:56 was messing with them Jul 11 23:11:30 AakashPatel: so you have a beagleboard? Jul 11 23:11:35 yep Jul 11 23:11:43 do you have just the board hanging out or is there a case to go with it? Jul 11 23:11:45 sitting here in a nike shoes box right next to me lol Jul 11 23:11:51 haha Jul 11 23:11:54 its hangin out Jul 11 23:11:57 i'll take that as a no to the case then :) Jul 11 23:12:01 can you get cases for them? Jul 11 23:12:01 on top of the antistatic back ;) Jul 11 23:12:16 prolly, there are holes on each corner to mount it Jul 11 23:12:34 Still doesn't work... But why does public key auth fail.... Jul 11 23:12:46 only $149 huh? Jul 11 23:12:50 Macer: it would be a nice comp if you mounted it in a box ;) Jul 11 23:13:01 what kind of video output does it use? Jul 11 23:13:05 uh Jul 11 23:13:08 DVI Jul 11 23:13:09 oh Jul 11 23:13:12 out of an HDMI port Jul 11 23:13:16 looking at it now ;) Jul 11 23:13:22 so you can hook it up to a tv huh? Jul 11 23:13:22 ;) Jul 11 23:13:24 heh Jul 11 23:13:26 yep Jul 11 23:13:34 that's actually kind of cool Jul 11 23:13:39 but it's not strong enough to play 1080p Jul 11 23:13:40 that p-damn it forgot the word Jul 11 23:13:43 oh Jul 11 23:13:45 svideo ;) Jul 11 23:13:50 nah Jul 11 23:14:02 highest is 1024x1280 Jul 11 23:14:16 1280x1024 you mean? :) Jul 11 23:14:30 oh Jul 11 23:14:32 yeah lol Jul 11 23:14:34 woops Jul 11 23:14:44 well... i mean it's possible Jul 11 23:14:55 that it's 1024x1280 for tablets in portrait mode Jul 11 23:15:05 :P Jul 11 23:15:14 anyone have any luck getting Wifi tethering to work with rogers HTC Magic flashed to Fatal1ty's Hero Rom? Jul 11 23:15:27 keep getting an error about iptables, and having to update kernel version or some shit? Jul 11 23:16:00 HD video capable TMS320C64x+. DSP for versatile signal processing at up to 430MHz Jul 11 23:16:26 KNY: your damn channel is useless haha Jul 11 23:17:51 any java experts in the room? Jul 11 23:18:40 AakashPatel: you hda to get a usb nic? Jul 11 23:18:41 heh Jul 11 23:19:13 uh Jul 11 23:19:14 sur Jul 11 23:19:16 e Jul 11 23:19:22 Macer: any word on when pandora should finally ship ? Jul 11 23:19:46 Aug 2025 Jul 11 23:19:55 resonable Jul 11 23:19:57 you'd have to ask the maemo guys :) Jul 11 23:19:57 lo Jul 11 23:19:59 l Jul 11 23:19:59 yea Jul 11 23:20:10 they're hardcore into that stuff Jul 11 23:20:18 although i dno't see why they even call it maemo anymore Jul 11 23:20:28 but i guess pandora is supposed to ship with a newer ver of maemo Jul 11 23:20:45 maemo oh wow Jul 11 23:21:22 so we could just take the copy and it should work on the touchbook as well Jul 11 23:23:26 Damnit, when I put a connectbot generated publickey on my server it still fails. Jul 11 23:23:50 Macer do you think it be difficult to expand the size of the screen,keyboard and case to 12" ? Jul 11 23:24:19 <`vip> anyone have the magic and use connect bot ? Jul 11 23:25:01 `vip: I'm trying. Are you able to log in at all? Jul 11 23:25:11 how would you be able to type in connectbot on the magic Jul 11 23:25:19 yeah, its not possible haha Jul 11 23:25:26 hilarious Jul 11 23:25:44 doh Jul 11 23:25:52 someone will have to make an ssh client that has the normal input box or whatever Jul 11 23:25:55 so the virtual will pop up Jul 11 23:26:17 shiznebit: on what? Jul 11 23:26:23 grindking, connectbot does Jul 11 23:26:29 the touchbook Jul 11 23:26:36 so google + arm/ti vs intel + ms? Jul 11 23:26:43 for the netbook arena with this chrome OS Jul 11 23:26:44 ? Jul 11 23:26:48 Can't you just force it to show the virtual keyboard? Jul 11 23:26:52 if they can make good 3d games Jul 11 23:26:58 kny: connectbot has a normal terminal input like a full ssh client Jul 11 23:26:58 then they might have a chance :) Jul 11 23:27:18 grindking, the VK shows up Jul 11 23:27:23 oh it does? Jul 11 23:27:25 google is kind of widdling their way into a larger market huh? Jul 11 23:27:26 yes Jul 11 23:27:28 nice Jul 11 23:27:31 it's nice to see they are patient Jul 11 23:27:34 like a virus :) Jul 11 23:27:36 then what's the problem wm_eddie Jul 11 23:28:14 grindking: I'm asking is it possible to do that in the sdk? Jul 11 23:28:15 today a phone. tomorrow a netbook. the next day arm based desktops running at 6GHz Jul 11 23:28:21 haha Jul 11 23:28:24 loll Jul 11 23:28:38 and x86's runing at 20GHz Jul 11 23:28:39 haha Jul 11 23:28:47 :) Jul 11 23:28:55 20Ghz Jul 11 23:28:57 going about just as fast using 50x the power as the arm Jul 11 23:29:13 with its disgustingly unoptimized ms code Jul 11 23:29:14 :) Jul 11 23:29:21 How far can light travel at 20Ghz... Jul 11 23:29:47 isn't 20Ghz a refrigerator to keep it cool Jul 11 23:30:07 wm_eddie: i think 20GHz is out of the spectrum of visible light Jul 11 23:30:23 20Ghz would need a CERN to keep it cool. Jul 11 23:30:38 Macer: Ghz is frequency 1/20Ghz is time. Jul 11 23:31:26 light travels independent of its frequency Jul 11 23:32:12 Yes, but I'm talking about how far it travels in one tick at 20Ghz. Jul 11 23:32:25 ah Jul 11 23:32:28 <_Auron_> okay wow Jul 11 23:32:32 <_Auron_> I really need to make this video. Jul 11 23:32:43 light travels at the speed of light Jul 11 23:32:51 whoa.. Jul 11 23:32:54 that's deep Jul 11 23:32:56 :) Jul 11 23:33:01 no way Jul 11 23:33:03 wolfram alpha time. Jul 11 23:33:17 light travels at obtuse angles to gravity :) Jul 11 23:33:48 * _Auron_ is still unhappy with the Orbi enemy though.. Jul 11 23:33:56 <_Auron_> and I need to fine-tune the controls soon Jul 11 23:33:59 pfft. wolfram Jul 11 23:34:11 1.49 cm Jul 11 23:34:26 if I put enough zeros in 1/200000000000 Jul 11 23:34:53 time doesn't exist Jul 11 23:34:59 it's a perception Jul 11 23:35:15 a perception of what? Jul 11 23:35:18 time passing? Jul 11 23:35:21 yup Jul 11 23:35:27 :) Jul 11 23:35:43 time is equidistance from one point to every other point in the known universe, its uniform Jul 11 23:36:10 its uniform.. or it's? Jul 11 23:36:17 it's Jul 11 23:36:50 time is still just perception. which is ruining physics Jul 11 23:36:57 :) people put too much effort into time Jul 11 23:37:08 when it is irrelevant Jul 11 23:37:17 bbl. going to eat again. Jul 11 23:37:27 "when" it's irrelevant? :D Jul 11 23:37:34 JesusFreke: you caught that huh? :) Jul 11 23:37:47 (no pun intended) Jul 11 23:37:53 its seems hes running out of mass :) Jul 11 23:37:54 <_Auron_> readying camera. Jul 11 23:38:20 prepare to ready the camera! Jul 11 23:38:28 gadamnnit Jul 11 23:38:30 haha Jul 11 23:38:34 AIM!! Jul 11 23:38:50 <_Auron_> hmm I need to make some room on this microSD Jul 11 23:38:58 we're not going to ludicrous speed are we? Jul 11 23:39:24 as in 150 mph ? Jul 11 23:39:27 Yeah, I hate plad. Jul 11 23:39:47 *anyone* here know java Jul 11 23:39:51 good Jul 11 23:40:05 I know Java. And a few other things. Jul 11 23:40:13 great! you can help me :P Jul 11 23:40:23 perhaps. Jul 11 23:40:34 http://pastebin.com/m36c57572 Jul 11 23:40:37 on line 184 Jul 11 23:40:39 the server Jul 11 23:40:49 whenever i try to access it i get java.net.BindException: Address already in use Jul 11 23:41:14 The problem isn't Java then. Jul 11 23:41:24 You have another program using that port. Jul 11 23:41:31 i tried like 20 diff ports Jul 11 23:41:56 brb Jul 11 23:41:58 :/ Jul 11 23:45:04 You must be very (un)lucky then... Jul 11 23:45:35 ah, you're doing that in a loop. Jul 11 23:45:45 so it stops working after the seccond try right? Jul 11 23:46:02 You only need to make a new server socket once. Jul 11 23:47:22 then you call accept multiple times. Jul 11 23:51:29 blah Jul 11 23:52:06 seriously Jul 11 23:52:18 is there people in charge of the dls wiki ? Jul 11 23:55:02 wm_eddie: uh....how lol Jul 11 23:55:32 oh Jul 11 23:55:33 nm Jul 11 23:55:37 AakashPatel: put it outside the while loop Jul 11 23:55:56 It should be at the same level as the close Jul 11 23:56:05 <_Auron_> great Jul 11 23:56:10 <_Auron_> the camera isn't working Jul 11 23:56:16 oh yes! Jul 11 23:56:28 nullpointerexecption! except on the client side :D Jul 11 23:56:35 <_Auron_> okay there we go Jul 11 23:57:32 there comes a point in a mans life when he needs to understand Null pointers. Jul 11 23:57:53 haha Jul 11 23:57:54 do it sooner rather than later. Jul 11 23:58:50 http://pastebin.com/m55d3edde Jul 11 23:58:53 does that look right now? Jul 12 00:01:02 looks different than the code you showed me before hand... Jul 12 00:01:43 uh Jul 12 00:01:49 no lol Jul 12 00:02:09 Yes, before you showed me the server code. Jul 12 00:02:25 oh shit Jul 12 00:02:27 sorry Jul 12 00:02:28 lol Jul 12 00:02:46 wm_eddie: http://pastebin.com/m41cfbc73 Jul 12 00:02:48 ;) Jul 12 00:04:13 Perhaps. You might want to put ss.accept inside the loop if you want the server to do this more than once. Jul 12 00:04:35 okay Jul 12 00:05:15 Remember once a thread finishes executing, it's dead. Jul 12 00:05:17 forever. Jul 12 00:06:29 eh...nullpointerexeption now :/ Jul 12 00:06:38 where? Jul 12 00:07:09 bleh, damn eclipse Jul 12 00:07:59 er, its when i move s = ss.accept(); back into the loop Jul 12 00:08:37 Yeah, because the PrintWriter(s.getOutputStream()) Jul 12 00:08:59 I'm assuming I can rely on you to at least put everything in the right level. Jul 12 00:09:32 The person who wrote this is very obviously a C programmer. Jul 12 00:09:40 lol Jul 12 00:10:05 Or read a Java book that was written by a C programmer. Jul 12 00:10:47 lol all i wrote was that little block Jul 12 00:10:49 and i suck at life Jul 12 00:10:51 ;) Jul 12 00:11:09 oh yay, now its time to figure out the client :/ Jul 12 00:11:37 You do indeed. But its ok, I work with people much less competent and they somehow pull through. Jul 12 00:11:49 Although, they come out battered and bloody every time. Jul 12 00:12:00 does anyone here know when paid apps comes to sweden? Jul 12 00:12:05 haha Jul 12 00:12:43 anyone have any luck getting Wifi tethering to work with rogers HTC Magic flashed to Fatal1ty's Hero Rom? Jul 12 00:13:47 wm_eddie: okay lol on the client http://pastebin.com/m6266920 line 85 did i suck at life there also? Jul 12 00:15:15 I wouldn't think so. Jul 12 00:15:23 Hm okay... Jul 12 00:15:32 Unless 11001 is different than the server socket's number. Jul 12 00:15:37 Nah, i just changed it Jul 12 00:15:57 its connecting...but i get the nullpointerexeption :/ Jul 12 00:16:06 which line. Jul 12 00:16:12 ? Jul 12 00:16:25 err how do i check in eclispe? Jul 12 00:16:42 <_Auron_> okay, going to upload the vid to youtube now Jul 12 00:16:54 right click on the client app and debug it. Jul 12 00:16:55 all i get in console is "java.lang.NullPointerException" Jul 12 00:16:58 ok Jul 12 00:18:04 wtf, im in debug view Jul 12 00:18:17 yeah. run it until you get the exception/ Jul 12 00:19:08 http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5076/picture1lhl.png Jul 12 00:21:10 wm_eddie: uh, it didnt give me any more data :/ Jul 12 00:21:54 uh, it must of happened in another thread.. Jul 12 00:22:08 or no. Jul 12 00:22:21 You are catching Exception and just printing it. Jul 12 00:22:36 change System.out.println(e) to e.printStackTrace(); Jul 12 00:22:49 or remove the Try/catch. Jul 12 00:22:57 I'm a fan of fail fast. Jul 12 00:23:32 http://pastebin.com/m2e9b7ff9 Jul 12 00:23:37 it was in the playAudio() Jul 12 00:25:14 Yeah, you are still running it. Click the stop button to get out of it. Jul 12 00:25:22 oh sorry. Jul 12 00:25:39 I mean you are using byteArrayOutputStream before you define it. Jul 12 00:25:51 Remember programs run from the top down. Jul 12 00:25:53 err i was tyring to make it use the data outputted from the server Jul 12 00:26:08 anyone know of some decent asus t61 ports for android? Jul 12 00:26:09 Socket s = new Socket("127.0.0.1", 11001); Jul 12 00:26:11 InputStream in = s.getInputStream(); Jul 12 00:26:34 erm t91 Jul 12 00:26:52 AakashPatel: How does this compile? Jul 12 00:27:04 Magic? Jul 12 00:27:11 What you mean? Jul 12 00:27:12 Yes. I see. Jul 12 00:27:26 You have property byteArrayOutputStream. Jul 12 00:27:48 And a local byteArrayOutputStream. Jul 12 00:28:15 Which you write to in line 98 Jul 12 00:28:17 see, on like 106, i jsut changed it to "in" from byteArrwayOutputStream, trying to make it play Jul 12 00:28:20 data from server Jul 12 00:28:33 like/line Jul 12 00:29:21 btw, thanks for the help you're giving me Jul 12 00:30:17 It's cashing on line 95 id it not? Jul 12 00:30:24 Yeah Jul 12 00:30:34 What do you see on line 95. Jul 12 00:30:46 toByteArray(); Jul 12 00:31:11 But more importantly byteArrayOutputStream.toByteArray(); Jul 12 00:31:36 and if you look in the NEXT LINE that's where you SET beArrayInputStream Jul 12 00:31:42 byteArrayInputStream. Jul 12 00:31:56 So you use the object before you set it. Jul 12 00:32:05 That's what a Null pointer exception means. Jul 12 00:32:34 You can't just throw a bunch of commands and expect th computer o do them in the right order for you. Jul 12 00:32:44 you need to think about what comes first and second. Jul 12 00:32:50 gah, i was tyring to replac byteArrayOutputStream with "in" Jul 12 00:34:02 You probably want to change that Input stream to output too and put it after 100 Jul 12 00:35:06 Socket s = new Socket("127.0.0.1", 11001); Jul 12 00:35:08 OutputStream out = s.getOutputStream(); Jul 12 00:35:10 like like that? Jul 12 00:35:43 no. focus on the part that's crashing. Jul 12 00:35:48 okay Jul 12 00:35:59 lilne 93 94 95 Jul 12 00:36:57 You are trying to use byteArrayOutputStream before youset it to anything. Jul 12 00:36:59 hm, so i need to convert 'in' to a bytearray Jul 12 00:37:08 i know i didnt Jul 12 00:37:09 plus the name is wrong. Jul 12 00:37:27 The audio data comes fro the server right? Jul 12 00:37:37 yeah... Jul 12 00:37:43 from that code earlier Jul 12 00:38:12 so I think you mean byte audioData[] = byteArrayInputStream.toByteArray() Jul 12 00:39:00 or wait, no what the hell are you trying to do? Jul 12 00:39:15 You change a stream into an array and change that array back into a stream? Jul 12 00:39:36 gah, idk, i just borrowed thsi damn code Jul 12 00:39:57 from a tutrorial Jul 12 00:40:05 Well first find out what it is you want to do and get back to me. Jul 12 00:40:12 I have money to make. Jul 12 00:40:25 I'm trying to take the data outputted from the server and play it on the client Jul 12 00:40:30 Sorry :P Jul 12 00:40:48 Tha's much more complicated than you think. Jul 12 00:40:54 Because there's buffers. Jul 12 00:41:27 Eh... Jul 12 00:41:35 buggers? Jul 12 00:41:41 And there's a million programs that does this already. Jul 12 00:42:13 pulse audio can do this on linux. Jul 12 00:42:44 lol Jul 12 00:42:47 thats exactly what i want Jul 12 00:42:51 hehe Jul 12 00:43:26 there are ports for pulse audio for windows/mac I think. Jul 12 00:45:12 wm_eddie: can that pulseaudio take sound from the mic? Jul 12 00:47:48 bleh Jul 12 00:47:49 bbl Jul 12 00:47:59 pulseaudio can do prettymuch everything. But that means it has a configuration file just as crazy. Jul 12 00:48:29 cool Jul 12 00:48:36 hm Jul 12 00:48:39 it can - and does - also often screw up the audio on my system Jul 12 00:50:41 so you can used pulse audio to interface a laptop to a pc audio interface? Jul 12 00:51:27 JesusFreke, thanks for the Phantom cover while i was AFK. I can't let that stuff slip by. Jul 12 00:52:57 oh man, i don't think that made any sense Jul 12 00:54:51 r3nrut: Yeah, in theory you can. And I'm sure many PA devs do that all the time. Jul 12 00:55:07 I tried, but it took more than 5 minutes and my ADD kicked in. Jul 12 00:56:33 wm_eddie: well, i have a sick kid a night to play on the computer Jul 12 00:57:06 blah. i hate this aspireone Jul 12 00:57:18 i guess it's small and all but it still runs hot and doesn't have enough power Jul 12 00:57:23 Macer: which one did you have? Jul 12 00:57:30 do* Jul 12 00:57:53 kav10? Jul 12 00:59:06 does it have SSD? Jul 12 00:59:10 no Jul 12 00:59:13 xp with hard drive Jul 12 00:59:32 There's your problem right there Jul 12 00:59:37 lol Jul 12 00:59:40 yup Jul 12 00:59:43 Yeah, i had the 8gig SSD Jul 12 00:59:55 althogh i doubt the hard drive is wasting more power than xp is Jul 12 00:59:56 ran pretty good for what i was using it for Jul 12 01:00:31 i suppose i can get a small ssd for it but who knows Jul 12 01:00:34 I had the ZG5 though Jul 12 01:00:37 maybe i can get it to boot from the sd port Jul 12 01:00:38 :) Jul 12 01:00:43 so I'm not sure how different the hardware is Jul 12 01:00:44 and yank the hd out altogether Jul 12 01:01:07 Macer: i think you'd have better luck using linux if you try that Jul 12 01:01:17 r3nrut: probably Jul 12 01:01:38 i'd need like a 16G card for xp Jul 12 01:01:54 right now it's rather bare at 33G haha Jul 12 01:01:56 figure that one out Jul 12 01:02:13 let me go get rid of office 08. i don't use it anyways Jul 12 01:02:16 it was just on it Jul 12 01:05:21 Yea I recently noticed how much space Visio is using on my work computer Jul 12 01:05:28 uncanny Jul 12 01:09:04 there are a ton of crapps that you can get rid of Jul 12 01:09:25 xp ftw Jul 12 01:09:26 :) Jul 12 01:09:35 i could care less tho. it has a 150G hd Jul 12 01:09:36 heh Jul 12 01:09:45 i'd care if i were using the 8G SD as a boot drive Jul 12 01:09:52 i should download windows CE Jul 12 01:09:54 xp? Jul 12 01:10:01 What s that Jul 12 01:10:02 yeah. this aspireone runs xp Jul 12 01:10:09 xp = best windows ever made Jul 12 01:10:11 :) Jul 12 01:10:33 xp.. "We finally got it right (for the most part)." Jul 12 01:11:02 That's exactly when I stopped using windows Jul 12 01:11:03 :D Jul 12 01:15:22 hello Jul 12 01:15:41 yooooo Jul 12 01:16:23 is android copying the iPhone OS? Jul 12 01:16:31 it seems very similar Jul 12 01:17:37 you need new glasses Jul 12 01:17:42 :B Jul 12 01:18:04 hahahaha Jul 12 01:18:05 no Jul 12 01:18:08 yes Jul 12 01:18:08 chrome_: NO Jul 12 01:18:11 the way it works Jul 12 01:18:21 chrome_: No, its completely differint Jul 12 01:18:24 differnet* Jul 12 01:18:28 I agree with AakashPatel Jul 12 01:18:29 lol typo again Jul 12 01:18:39 I have a g1, and also an iphone Jul 12 01:18:41 chrome_: first of all, its based on linux kernel Jul 12 01:18:45 you're completely wrong :P Jul 12 01:18:52 Menelkir: which OS do you prefer? Jul 12 01:18:58 anyone volunteer to publish Scala-libraries to Android Market Place as the shared library? That way we Android app developers don't need to publish the scala library with each application. Jul 12 01:19:12 Im a mac user, I dont have a taste about OS Jul 12 01:19:22 but android fill my needs more than iphone Jul 12 01:19:23 * AakashPatel is a mac user also Jul 12 01:19:39 Menelkir: elaborate that sentence Jul 12 01:19:42 :P Jul 12 01:19:47 :| Jul 12 01:19:51 hmm... i'm trying to decide whether to buy one of these things... anyone have any major issues with the android? Jul 12 01:19:52 btw, iphone OS is a good one Jul 12 01:19:53 what does the android do that an iPhone does not do Jul 12 01:19:56 but I prefer android Jul 12 01:20:04 chrome_: do you wanna flame? Jul 12 01:20:08 chrome_: run two apps at once :) Jul 12 01:20:21 well, there's a selling point Jul 12 01:20:23 Menelkir: i wanna! Jul 12 01:20:29 I just wanna know why do you prefer android Jul 12 01:20:30 chrome_: iphone is a toy Jul 12 01:20:35 what is the great advantage Jul 12 01:20:36 dude Jul 12 01:20:38 just told you one Jul 12 01:20:49 chrome_: sure, lets get Openmoko in the fight too Jul 12 01:20:49 lol im feelin a flame war commin on Jul 12 01:20:52 chrome_: there are like 1000 reasons Jul 12 01:20:55 or nokia Jul 12 01:21:02 or windows! Jul 12 01:21:04 :) Jul 12 01:21:06 or every other phone OS that make good things Jul 12 01:21:13 UIQ? Jul 12 01:21:13 AakashPatel: you mean using pseudo-paralelism? Jul 12 01:21:24 r3nrut: yeah, lol Jul 12 01:21:33 wtf does that mean haha Jul 12 01:22:03 chrome_: how bout this, what does an iphone do that android cant ;) Jul 12 01:22:16 official multi-touch Jul 12 01:22:17 BOOM Jul 12 01:22:19 hahaha Jul 12 01:22:21 hah Jul 12 01:22:23 hahahaha Jul 12 01:22:26 hero ftw Jul 12 01:22:26 AakashPatel: the iPhone does not run 2 applications at the same time? Jul 12 01:22:30 nope Jul 12 01:22:33 you can only run 1 Jul 12 01:22:36 AakashPatel, with 3.0 it can Jul 12 01:22:45 KNY: not "really" ;) Jul 12 01:22:49 AakashPatel, ah Jul 12 01:22:50 AakashPatel: iPhone doing videos Jul 12 01:22:50 APNS Jul 12 01:22:52 KNY: android has official multitouch now Jul 12 01:22:56 chrome_: we can to Jul 12 01:22:59 you can cut the parts that you don't want Jul 12 01:23:04 yes you can Jul 12 01:23:04 chrome_, so could we Jul 12 01:23:07 that's just software Jul 12 01:23:09 the editing is very cool Jul 12 01:23:16 we can edit videos if i want also Jul 12 01:23:19 if i made an app to :) Jul 12 01:23:30 AakashPatel, tethering Jul 12 01:23:33 ohhhh Jul 12 01:23:34 yes Jul 12 01:23:35 yeah! Jul 12 01:23:35 ok Jul 12 01:23:42 android doesn't need itunes Jul 12 01:23:43 but there's not enough apps yet right? Jul 12 01:23:44 thread closed Jul 12 01:23:48 for android Jul 12 01:23:48 Menelkir++ Jul 12 01:23:49 yeah Jul 12 01:23:50 ther are Jul 12 01:23:55 anything iphone OS can do, android can do better Jul 12 01:24:14 now i remember why i love irc Jul 12 01:24:16 :) Jul 12 01:24:18 * Downix sits on the sidelines taking pictures of the fight with his Palm Pre. Jul 12 01:24:19 8) Jul 12 01:24:23 hahah Jul 12 01:24:29 Downix: palm pre is nice ;) Jul 12 01:24:34 i suspect comparisons between android and $smartphone will be somewhat biased in here :) Jul 12 01:24:39 palm pre rox Jul 12 01:24:49 btw, I prefer android, its my humble opinion Jul 12 01:24:53 youwanna go in #iphone? Jul 12 01:24:54 r3nrut: I used an iphone and android. With the iPhone I get better usability.. but I'm not totally familiar with android Jul 12 01:24:55 lol Jul 12 01:25:00 AakashPatel, I'll admit a bias to it as I have several friends that work for Palm. But I am learning how to program Android Jul 12 01:25:14 no Jul 12 01:25:19 sugarmagnolia: indeed Jul 12 01:25:20 i phone has a simple asfuck UI Jul 12 01:25:27 "BIG ASS BUTTONS" Jul 12 01:25:42 chrome_: i'm sorry but that's the stupidest thing i've heard yet in this arguement Jul 12 01:25:58 does the android have video record? Jul 12 01:26:01 yep Jul 12 01:26:15 is the quality decent? Jul 12 01:26:22 eh, not as best as could be Jul 12 01:26:31 ok - how about in lower light? Jul 12 01:26:32 sugarmagnolia: my nokia 6101 has video recording Jul 12 01:26:36 like streetlights at night Jul 12 01:26:42 sugarmagnolia: its fine Jul 12 01:26:47 iphone is a severely disabled device with super pretty icons Jul 12 01:26:51 hahaha Jul 12 01:26:56 the way you walk through the desktop or through a webpage with your finger seems the same way like iPhone does Jul 12 01:27:03 OMG Jul 12 01:27:10 ROFL Jul 12 01:27:19 no, no, no Jul 12 01:27:21 *blink* Jul 12 01:27:23 chrome_: GTFO Jul 12 01:27:30 now, before someone gets pissed lol Jul 12 01:27:36 lets go in #iphone :) Jul 12 01:27:36 chrome_: ... Jul 12 01:27:46 lol Jul 12 01:27:55 im in there :) Jul 12 01:27:57 hah Jul 12 01:28:02 ok Jul 12 01:28:14 >_> Jul 12 01:28:15 someone else! quick Jul 12 01:28:17 come with me Jul 12 01:28:29 sugarmagnolia: lets go! Jul 12 01:28:31 lol Jul 12 01:28:37 nah, that's ok :) Jul 12 01:28:41 have fun Jul 12 01:28:44 damn you Jul 12 01:28:45 lol Jul 12 01:28:47 abbot ale someone? Jul 12 01:28:48 heh Jul 12 01:28:59 Menelkir: not at 9:30 on Sunday morning, thanks Jul 12 01:29:08 10:29PM here Jul 12 01:29:10 jeezus, i need a drink now Jul 12 01:29:12 f'n iphone Jul 12 01:29:17 btw, 9:30am I can drink an abbot Jul 12 01:29:18 lol Jul 12 01:29:23 r3nrut: join me in ##iphone Jul 12 01:29:32 omg, are you sure about that Jul 12 01:29:35 yes Jul 12 01:29:37 :) Jul 12 01:29:43 AakashPatel: what you're trying to do? Jul 12 01:29:52 idk you were supposed to say something Jul 12 01:30:00 and we were supposed to have a flame ware Jul 12 01:30:02 :) Jul 12 01:30:08 dude, ipod touch is the most incrediable mp3 player ever Jul 12 01:30:09 war* Jul 12 01:30:10 i love it Jul 12 01:30:16 dur Jul 12 01:30:19 but its a crappy phone Jul 12 01:30:21 hmm... one more goofy question: is there any limitation on the number of gmail accounts the android will support? (I have 3 i have to keep an eye on) Jul 12 01:30:28 1 Jul 12 01:30:30 lol Jul 12 01:30:33 are you serious? Jul 12 01:30:35 yes Jul 12 01:30:37 1 per phone Jul 12 01:30:37 *sigh* Jul 12 01:30:42 ok, cross that one off the list then Jul 12 01:30:45 wait wait Jul 12 01:30:46 what do you expect Jul 12 01:30:48 lol Jul 12 01:30:55 you can add more gmail email accounts Jul 12 01:30:59 i would expect to be able to define as many as i choose Jul 12 01:31:00 wha? Jul 12 01:31:02 how Jul 12 01:31:03 r3nrut: really? Jul 12 01:31:07 yes Jul 12 01:31:16 anyone can contribute doing some code to the android core? or it is restricted Jul 12 01:31:19 and you've done this without any problem? Jul 12 01:31:22 chrome_: yep Jul 12 01:31:24 And note, I don't like the iPhone because I run Linux, which limits its useability Jul 12 01:31:27 anyone can Jul 12 01:31:42 haven't anyone tried doing that with the popmail email? Jul 12 01:31:43 AakashPatel: for the OS and for the middleware? Jul 12 01:31:47 the OS Jul 12 01:31:55 Its OSS Jul 12 01:32:10 oh, so you just set it up specifically for pop and you can use as many "gmail's" as you need? Jul 12 01:32:11 AND... i've seen an app on market that allowed you to use two gmail accounts on the device itself Jul 12 01:32:14 the iphone is overhyped Jul 12 01:32:16 i need to find the name of it Jul 12 01:32:35 zelrikriando: way way overhyped Jul 12 01:32:39 zelrikriando: and overpriced Jul 12 01:32:45 and AT&T :( Jul 12 01:32:48 lol adp1 is over priced Jul 12 01:32:50 however I think android is the future Jul 12 01:32:52 but i bought it ;) Jul 12 01:32:52 like i said, its just a toy Jul 12 01:33:00 depite I'm not seeing much progress with it Jul 12 01:33:12 AakashPatel: i agree but i'd rather spend it on the adp1 than iphone Jul 12 01:33:17 lol Jul 12 01:33:20 chrome_: what? Jul 12 01:33:24 Well any phone is overpriced here in Canada Jul 12 01:33:29 so the iphone doesnt look as bad Jul 12 01:33:31 have you seen the diff between 1.1 and 1.5? Jul 12 01:33:40 look at new stuff thats gonna be in donut Jul 12 01:34:02 no, I haven't seen.. can I run it in some emulator? Jul 12 01:34:05 for windows or something Jul 12 01:34:08 chrome_: you're just wanting to piss someone off aren't you Jul 12 01:34:13 yeah Jul 12 01:34:17 r3nrut: shh Jul 12 01:34:20 i like this lol Jul 12 01:34:24 chrome_: yeah, you can download the SDK Jul 12 01:34:31 well, i guess the only things stopping me from getting one of these is a) google privacy concerns (might be willing to live with it), b) the "endless upgrade cycle" which is inevitable... Jul 12 01:34:32 but it really isnt the "full" expericne Jul 12 01:34:38 Actually, the iphone kinda shines when you have a macbook Jul 12 01:34:45 heh Jul 12 01:34:45 yes I see Jul 12 01:34:58 I'm thinking on buying the htc magic Jul 12 01:35:00 endless upgrade cycle? Jul 12 01:35:09 HTC Hero Jul 12 01:35:10 chrome_: I bought it Jul 12 01:35:13 hero Jul 12 01:35:15 chrome_: get a hero Jul 12 01:35:18 it's the only smart phone that broings android within it Jul 12 01:35:19 when it comes out Jul 12 01:35:23 uh Jul 12 01:35:24 ...and installed hero on it Jul 12 01:35:25 like when i upgraded my ipod (which i didn't pay the f'n $10 to do) i had to wipe the whole thing? Jul 12 01:35:25 no Jul 12 01:35:28 there is the Dream Jul 12 01:35:37 chrome_: but get the hero ;) Jul 12 01:35:40 chrome_: where do you live Jul 12 01:35:50 multitouch on Hero too Jul 12 01:35:51 if hero had a decent screen resolution I would so get it Jul 12 01:35:57 it does... Jul 12 01:36:03 AakashPatel: oh yes, I mean in my country Jul 12 01:36:09 ah Jul 12 01:36:09 <`vip> whats wrong wit hthe screen on the hero ? Jul 12 01:36:09 Touch Pro 2 high resolution but no Android yet. Jul 12 01:36:16 OMG people read, read read read read Jul 12 01:36:18 chrome_: order the hero from amazon uk XD Jul 12 01:36:18 but this 320x480 crap has got to stop Jul 12 01:36:25 NO Jul 12 01:36:26 r3nrut: lol wut Jul 12 01:36:29 ARG Jul 12 01:36:35 320 x 480? Jul 12 01:36:38 yea Jul 12 01:36:40 wait Jul 12 01:36:41 idk Jul 12 01:36:43 :) Jul 12 01:36:44 AakashPatel: I'll check that out Jul 12 01:36:47 :p Jul 12 01:36:49 chrome_: its really nice Jul 12 01:36:51 even my crippled sidekick has 854x480 screen Jul 12 01:36:51 the UI Jul 12 01:36:53 chrome_: where do you live Jul 12 01:36:55 and the phone Jul 12 01:37:14 bparker06: damn, what do you expect Jul 12 01:37:16 zelrikriando: spain Jul 12 01:37:21 ok Jul 12 01:37:27 what Magic is in Spain Jul 12 01:37:32 the good one or the crapy one Jul 12 01:37:32 AakashPatel: a screen resolution that's up-to-date with current technology Jul 12 01:37:33 lol go to the mobile world conf or whatever lol Jul 12 01:37:43 and something most phones in japan have had for years :p Jul 12 01:37:57 chrome_: http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_w_h_?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=htc+hero&x=0&y=0 Jul 12 01:37:59 :) Jul 12 01:38:19 I'm with Verizon, the only phone that has decent Android port is XV6900, which is very stable at this point. Jul 12 01:38:24 zelrikriando: don't know. I think it's the most recent one Jul 12 01:38:36 chrome_: how much RAM Jul 12 01:38:37 err Jul 12 01:38:44 I like what I've seen of Android, my main issue with it is simply the cost of the phones, but that will come down in time Jul 12 01:38:44 # Full-featured mobile browser that displays Flash-based sites Jul 12 01:38:45 128mb Jul 12 01:38:47 wha? Jul 12 01:38:50 bparker06: yea Jul 12 01:38:50 android supports flash now? Jul 12 01:38:54 hero does Jul 12 01:38:56 seems nice the hero Jul 12 01:38:59 a lite verson of flash Jul 12 01:39:06 chrome_: quite Jul 12 01:39:16 no keyboard :( Jul 12 01:39:27 shiznebit: have you tried the HTC IME Jul 12 01:39:32 you dont need a keyboard if you use that thing lol Jul 12 01:39:39 i hate on screen Jul 12 01:39:43 dude Jul 12 01:39:48 the HTC IME is excellent Jul 12 01:39:57 i don't care for software keys either Jul 12 01:40:01 :P Jul 12 01:40:04 HTC Hero specs: http://www.htc.com/www/product/hero/specification.html Jul 12 01:40:14 Mind-link is not yet available tho Jul 12 01:40:21 so the hero from amazon uk is unlocked and comes with 1.5? Jul 12 01:40:21 zelrikriando: 512MB Flash + 288MB RAM Jul 12 01:40:22 lol Jul 12 01:40:26 bparker06: yep Jul 12 01:40:28 and there's no issue using it in the US? Jul 12 01:40:32 with US providers Jul 12 01:40:32 uh nope Jul 12 01:40:35 except 3g Jul 12 01:40:36 ok Jul 12 01:40:36 AakashPatel: i have it enabled iv never used it :P Jul 12 01:40:38 chrome_: then buy it and install HEro on it Jul 12 01:40:44 which band does it use for 3g? Jul 12 01:40:45 shiznebit: heh lol Jul 12 01:40:47 no Jul 12 01:40:52 2100? Jul 12 01:40:52 zelrikriando: orrr just buy a hero :P Jul 12 01:40:56 bparker06: idk Jul 12 01:40:57 cause US/tmobile is 1700 Jul 12 01:41:08 which nobody else uses :/ Jul 12 01:41:17 lol Jul 12 01:41:32 Any Scala programmer here like to publish Scala libraries to Android Market Place? Jul 12 01:41:45 did you just ask? Jul 12 01:41:47 lol Jul 12 01:41:48 the htc magic is 3G? Jul 12 01:41:51 yep Jul 12 01:41:54 AakashPatel: it didnt even launch in UK yet Jul 12 01:41:58 is UK the first place that hero is being shipped to? Jul 12 01:42:00 zelrikriando: what? Jul 12 01:42:07 The Hero Jul 12 01:42:09 bparker06: yep Jul 12 01:42:12 or being released for Jul 12 01:42:14 its for pre-order Jul 12 01:42:15 hmm Jul 12 01:42:16 :P Jul 12 01:42:18 lol Jul 12 01:42:31 July 24, 2009. Jul 12 01:42:35 Do you guys know if the Hero is getting hot Jul 12 01:42:35 I'd love an Android PDA Jul 12 01:42:35 AakashPatel: when it would be available? Jul 12 01:42:36 thats like 2 weeks Jul 12 01:42:41 chrome_: that date Jul 12 01:42:42 or Wimax machine Jul 12 01:42:43 is there a lot of people buying it Jul 12 01:42:49 how would we know? Jul 12 01:42:51 I mean preordering it Jul 12 01:42:51 ok Jul 12 01:42:52 amazon uk says you can't ship phones outside UK Jul 12 01:43:01 can't you ship it out? Jul 12 01:43:03 wtf Jul 12 01:43:11 http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=524836#mags Jul 12 01:43:14 http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=524836#mags Jul 12 01:43:17 oops Jul 12 01:43:20 Mobile Phones and Magazine Subscriptions Jul 12 01:43:21 * United Kingdom (England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales). Jul 12 01:43:24 get someone in the UK to buy it and ship it on to you Jul 12 01:43:25 that's it Jul 12 01:43:28 lol Jul 12 01:43:33 I wished Jul 12 01:43:39 Amazon US won't generally ship 'hardware' internationally, either Jul 12 01:43:40 yea lol Jul 12 01:43:44 get a frend in the UK Jul 12 01:43:46 i even have one Jul 12 01:43:55 I have one Jul 12 01:43:57 or two Jul 12 01:43:59 then use him Jul 12 01:44:01 :P Jul 12 01:44:02 or her Jul 12 01:44:03 I have no friends Jul 12 01:44:10 so even less so from UK Jul 12 01:44:11 :p Jul 12 01:44:12 lol we know, we know Jul 12 01:44:18 http://www.mobilewhack.com/htc-hero-available-in-spain-for-e99-from-orange/ Jul 12 01:44:20 do you know any place where we can get a magic one cheaper? Jul 12 01:44:26 I wonder if it'll be released while I'm in Spain... Jul 12 01:44:31 chrome_: the black market Jul 12 01:44:34 lol Jul 12 01:44:40 I was gonna suggest that Jul 12 01:44:44 lol Jul 12 01:44:59 :P Jul 12 01:45:01 chrome_: get a Chinese HCT Mogic Jul 12 01:45:11 lol Jul 12 01:45:13 what? Jul 12 01:45:14 it can run android? Jul 12 01:45:17 Leeds: those tend to explode :p Jul 12 01:45:18 :p Jul 12 01:45:20 haha Jul 12 01:45:29 chrome_: i think he was kidding Jul 12 01:45:35 yeah I know Jul 12 01:45:45 lol Jul 12 01:45:56 chrome_: get an oPhone Jul 12 01:45:57 although one of the knock-off iPhone makers allegedly does have a real android phone available Jul 12 01:46:02 r3nrut: you can get those? Jul 12 01:46:04 that's the best of both worlds for you Jul 12 01:46:08 haha Jul 12 01:46:09 the ophone hasn't actually launched yet, has it? Jul 12 01:46:10 AakashPatel: do you make apps for android or something like that? Jul 12 01:46:17 yep Jul 12 01:46:22 so does Leeds ;) Jul 12 01:46:25 r3nrut: I don't like apple or apple imitations :p Jul 12 01:46:47 holy sh$$ Jul 12 01:46:49 chrome_: its an android device made to look like an iphone Jul 12 01:46:51 I just admit that they are good in usability Jul 12 01:46:58 what? Jul 12 01:47:00 429.99 British pounds = 696.239808 U.S. dollars Jul 12 01:47:01 r3nrut: what?? Jul 12 01:47:03 no way. Jul 12 01:47:08 the lenovo ophone? Jul 12 01:47:09 maybe if I didn't pay rent for a month lol Jul 12 01:47:23 it doesnt look like the iphone :P Jul 12 01:47:31 I got my phone for 200$ Jul 12 01:47:32 http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/08/lenovos-android-powered-ophone-gets-hands-on-video-treatment/ Jul 12 01:47:37 http://iphoneindia.gyanin.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/lenovo-ophone.jpg Jul 12 01:47:41 yes that's a lot of money, I think I'll go for the magic one for now Jul 12 01:47:42 with a 2 year guaranty Jul 12 01:47:43 bparker06: note that will include 15% sales tax Jul 12 01:48:00 but I had to give my soul for that (3 year plan) Jul 12 01:48:10 r3nrut: nope, not lookin like an iphone to me :) Jul 12 01:48:18 AakashPatel: they tried to make the interface icons look like the iphone Jul 12 01:48:22 not the actual device Jul 12 01:48:43 ohh Jul 12 01:48:44 AakashPatel: do Jul 12 01:48:52 chrome_: do? Jul 12 01:49:08 sorry, I mean do you code the core, or just applications to run over it Jul 12 01:49:13 eww Jul 12 01:49:18 that looks shitty Jul 12 01:49:21 oh Jul 12 01:49:23 just the apps Jul 12 01:49:29 using the api Jul 12 01:49:30 no core for me :) Jul 12 01:49:30 ok Jul 12 01:49:41 why? because you don't want or you can't? Jul 12 01:49:41 i had the oPhone sdk for a few days Jul 12 01:49:44 its just android Jul 12 01:49:51 chrome_: i dont know c++ all that well lol Jul 12 01:50:03 I know C++ Jul 12 01:50:09 then go code :P Jul 12 01:50:13 I just dont know how to develop software Jul 12 01:50:21 ... Jul 12 01:50:24 what? Jul 12 01:50:30 then you dont know c++ :P Jul 12 01:50:44 lol Jul 12 01:50:59 omg, i need to go do something for a bit before i do something i regret Jul 12 01:51:05 bbiab Jul 12 01:51:05 AakashPatel: do you sell your applications or you distribute them freely? Jul 12 01:51:05 AakashPatel: I use it for other purposes than building UI's and stuff Jul 12 01:51:14 chrome_: i havent sold anything yet Jul 12 01:51:27 jsut free :) Jul 12 01:51:41 zelrikriando: like impressing the ladies that you know c++ but you dont? Jul 12 01:51:43 haha Jul 12 01:51:45 but you can sell through the android website right? Jul 12 01:51:48 yep Jul 12 01:51:52 ok Jul 12 01:51:54 :p Jul 12 01:51:57 :PP Jul 12 01:52:21 AakashPatel: I know how to program with the ROOT framework for my defense Jul 12 01:52:34 (and not root) Jul 12 01:52:36 * AakashPatel doesnt know what ROOT framework is Jul 12 01:52:45 a drug? :P Jul 12 01:52:53 r3nrut: where can I see the oPhone characteristics? Jul 12 01:53:00 ew Jul 12 01:53:03 chrome_: no dont Jul 12 01:53:05 http://root.cern.ch/drupal/ Jul 12 01:53:05 lol Jul 12 01:53:12 AakashPatel: what kind of apps do you do? games? Jul 12 01:53:24 I've sold... er, 5 games Jul 12 01:53:39 Leeds: ? Jul 12 01:53:41 what? Jul 12 01:53:43 reallY? Jul 12 01:53:47 you know gles? Jul 12 01:53:54 Leeds: what libs do you use? Jul 12 01:53:57 chrome_: you can't get an oPhone Jul 12 01:53:58 libs? Jul 12 01:54:04 chrome_: its java ;) Jul 12 01:54:07 open gl es Jul 12 01:54:12 like openGL Jul 12 01:54:15 unless you're in china Jul 12 01:54:17 nah, 2d puzzle game Jul 12 01:54:17 maybe I should look at the source code of android Jul 12 01:54:22 Leeds: psshhh Jul 12 01:54:22 ok Jul 12 01:54:22 shouldnt be that hard :p Jul 12 01:54:25 r3nrut: you know where I am, right? Jul 12 01:54:28 Leeds: the one with the naked ladies ? Jul 12 01:54:34 hahaha Jul 12 01:54:48 Leeds: negative sir Jul 12 01:54:50 no nekkids in my game, no Jul 12 01:54:54 I saw a puzzle like that in the website Jul 12 01:54:57 chrome_: we cant Jul 12 01:54:59 r3nrut: China... almost Jul 12 01:55:01 AakashPatel: have you looked at that link Jul 12 01:55:09 zelrikriando: link for what? Jul 12 01:55:12 chrome_: which website are you talking about? market.android.com? Jul 12 01:55:19 Leeds: there's a big difference being in China and almost in China? Jul 12 01:55:22 AakashPatel: http://root.cern.ch/drupal/ Jul 12 01:55:24 Leeds: yes Jul 12 01:55:25 oh Jul 12 01:55:26 Hong Kong Jul 12 01:55:29 I think Jul 12 01:55:37 chrome_: uh, you buy and browse apps through an app on the phone Jul 12 01:55:42 not through a website Jul 12 01:55:47 chrome_: look at www.cyrket.com - market.android.com is just a showcase, but cyrket shows the full app catalog Jul 12 01:56:00 Leeds: I thought Hong Kong had completely different rule outside of the Chinese government Jul 12 01:56:02 AakashPatel: but you can see the apps description at the website right? Jul 12 01:56:04 woah Jul 12 01:56:12 chrome_: on cyrket.com Jul 12 01:56:14 yes Jul 12 01:56:18 ok Jul 12 01:56:20 zelrikriando: woah, looks fancy Jul 12 01:56:30 AakashPatel: it's for data analysis Jul 12 01:56:35 o.o Jul 12 01:56:45 AakashPatel: so as I saying...building UI's is not my thing Jul 12 01:56:45 r3nrut: almost, yes - but it's still officially an autonomous part of China - and more to the point, the border is about 45 minutes away by train, and I go over there reasonably often Jul 12 01:56:54 as I was saying even Jul 12 01:56:56 the sdk is fast running on windows? while emulating ? Jul 12 01:57:00 yes Jul 12 01:57:14 AakashPatel: but I think I could learn Jul 12 01:57:16 nice Jul 12 01:57:35 Leeds: how is it there? Jul 12 01:57:35 chrome_: just let you know, the emulator doesnt have any google apps, such as gmail, market, calender, youtube etc. Jul 12 01:57:59 r3nrut: quite nice today, after getting brushed by the edge of a tropical storm (cyclone) yesterday Jul 12 01:58:01 oh why not? Jul 12 01:58:14 to run more faster? Jul 12 01:58:21 no Jul 12 01:58:29 because the google apps are not part of the core free android platform Jul 12 01:58:30 cuz of licensing or someshit Jul 12 01:58:37 blh Jul 12 01:58:38 ok Jul 12 01:58:39 same shit Jul 12 01:58:41 lol Jul 12 01:58:53 the devkit is 100% free, AFAIK Jul 12 01:59:13 you didnt have to add the AFAIK lol Jul 12 01:59:30 Leeds: can I see your games somewhere? Jul 12 01:59:32 I had a C/C++ class Jul 12 01:59:36 I mean some snapshots Jul 12 01:59:36 for 1 day Jul 12 01:59:37 lol Jul 12 01:59:41 Leeds: sweet. i'm living in a simulated hell. :) Jul 12 01:59:44 and stuff like that Jul 12 01:59:57 chrome_: psshh look at some opengles games Jul 12 02:00:07 chrome_: http://android.vmlinuz.org/software/annoyed.html Jul 12 02:00:13 pretty crappy game :) Jul 12 02:00:24 o.O Jul 12 02:00:25 oh man Jul 12 02:00:26 AakashPatel: I'm not sure that the SDK is 100% free without checking Jul 12 02:00:31 Leeds: take a UI class lol Jul 12 02:00:39 Leeds: :P Jul 12 02:00:40 lol Jul 12 02:00:45 I suck at UIs Jul 12 02:00:56 there's any breakout game for android? Jul 12 02:01:01 damn Jul 12 02:01:09 chrome_: breakout? like brickbreaker? Jul 12 02:01:35 like a ball breaking blocks Jul 12 02:01:40 above Jul 12 02:01:41 i bet htere is Jul 12 02:01:48 chrome_: are you a regular on here? Jul 12 02:01:58 ive seen your nick lol Jul 12 02:01:58 r3nrut: not yet :P Jul 12 02:02:23 chrome_: just asking :) Jul 12 02:02:30 hahahaha my zune is bigger than my phone Jul 12 02:02:49 Leeds: that's the best game you made? Jul 12 02:02:57 that's the only game I've released Jul 12 02:03:11 chrome_: look for _Auron_ ;) Jul 12 02:03:24 Leeds: ok, nice :P Jul 12 02:03:30 he's gonna release a nice game soon Jul 12 02:03:34 when I say I've sold 5 games - I mean 5 copies of that game... and I'm slightly surprised it's that many ;) Jul 12 02:03:35 after the ADC2 Jul 12 02:03:45 lol really Leeds? Jul 12 02:03:58 Leeds: oh really. for which price Jul 12 02:04:07 anyone interested in porting Doom to my TI-85? Jul 12 02:04:10 US$1 approximately Jul 12 02:04:13 haha Jul 12 02:04:19 r3nrut: wut? Jul 12 02:04:21 lol Jul 12 02:04:24 they have color screens? Jul 12 02:04:27 no Jul 12 02:04:34 oh that's reasonable I guess :P Jul 12 02:04:35 hah Jul 12 02:04:41 of course it is Jul 12 02:04:44 chrome_: I'm a lot happier with my other released app - a notification tool for Hong Kong weather alerts... Jul 12 02:04:57 Leeds: how many peopl have it? Jul 12 02:05:05 :) Jul 12 02:05:11 As of...NOW! Jul 12 02:05:11 why hk? Jul 12 02:05:16 he lives there lol Jul 12 02:05:21 450 or so, of 1100+ downloads Jul 12 02:05:26 lol Jul 12 02:05:30 lemme check mine Jul 12 02:05:51 nice Jul 12 02:05:53 I've no idea how many have sold, but the first Android phone was only released here about 5 weeks ago Jul 12 02:05:55 3841 total Jul 12 02:05:56 1183 active installs (30%) Jul 12 02:05:58 hehe Jul 12 02:06:04 Leeds: what's your phone? Jul 12 02:06:16 my active installs percentage is higher :P 40% Jul 12 02:06:22 :P Jul 12 02:06:24 chrome_: had a Dream (G1), got a Magic now Jul 12 02:06:26 i haz more people Jul 12 02:06:32 Leeds: and my app is obsolete Jul 12 02:06:35 what does that say? Jul 12 02:06:36 I haz much smaller market Jul 12 02:06:38 it must rock ;) Jul 12 02:06:39 haha Jul 12 02:06:42 I'm using a HTC Rhodium Jul 12 02:06:45 Magic is great Jul 12 02:06:47 I love it Jul 12 02:07:00 Leeds: for which price the magic? Jul 12 02:07:05 cause my adp1 is in the shop Jul 12 02:07:05 Leeds: did you put a rom on it Jul 12 02:07:06 Leeds: LOL and i lost the keys Jul 12 02:07:19 chrome_: $4160, rebated back over a 2 year contract Jul 12 02:07:29 woah Jul 12 02:07:31 is that USD? Jul 12 02:07:32 Rhodium would be like 100x's sexier with android on it Jul 12 02:07:35 AakashPatel: you fool... I've got copies of my keys in 3 different places Jul 12 02:07:37 that's dollars? Jul 12 02:07:41 no, of course it's not USD - it's HKD Jul 12 02:07:46 Leeds: shh im searching lol Jul 12 02:08:07 woahhh Jul 12 02:08:13 who would have guessed Jul 12 02:08:25 it was in ~/Desktop/Android/Apps Jul 12 02:08:25 The Magic is at 99 CAD here with a 3 year plan Jul 12 02:08:27 XD Jul 12 02:08:33 Leeds: how many dollars? (I'm having some problems converting) Jul 12 02:08:36 what is about 80 bucks Jul 12 02:08:46 US$540 or so upfront, but about US$50 per month for unlimited 3G, effectively unlimited talk, etc. Jul 12 02:08:53 chrome_: google "4000 HKD to UDK Jul 12 02:08:54 errr Jul 12 02:08:56 USD* Jul 12 02:09:11 oooorrrr Jul 12 02:09:16 wolfram alpha it up ;) Jul 12 02:09:19 oh, here is about 420 USD Jul 12 02:09:19 Leeds: Your plans rocks in US Jul 12 02:10:02 Whoever asked when apps are coming to sweden, its already listed in my console :P Jul 12 02:10:22 Leeds: wtf Jul 12 02:10:30 zelrikriando: someone was complaining bitterly here about the local style of paying almost retail upfront, and getting it back as a monthly rebate on the contract... I worked out that the iphone 3GS is about 1/3 cheaper over 2 years in HK than on AT&T Jul 12 02:10:33 $100 for like 400 mins and unlim internet Jul 12 02:10:42 and sms Jul 12 02:12:18 hi Jul 12 02:12:38 IMB UNLTD DOM - MSG3 Jul 12 02:12:40 IMB (Msg.) 999999.0 796.0 0.0 999999.0 Jul 12 02:12:42 IMB UNLTD DOM - MSGU Jul 12 02:12:43 AakashPatel: hmm... sorry, I think I converted it wrong... depending on how you look at it, it's just under US$60 a month with a free phone, or it's US$540 upfront and about US$35 per month Jul 12 02:12:44 IMB (Msg.) 999999.0 1570.0 0.0 999999.0 Jul 12 02:12:46 GPRS WAP UNLTD DOM - DATU Jul 12 02:12:47 Media Net/Internet (MB) 999999.0 52.7101 0.0 999999.0 Jul 12 02:12:49 --------Shared---------- Jul 12 02:12:50 woah Jul 12 02:12:52 wtf is the two messaging ones for? Jul 12 02:13:02 I dont have unlimited internet Jul 12 02:13:18 I just have 6Gb Jul 12 02:13:32 and my minutes... 100 ? Jul 12 02:13:37 6GB is quite a lot, assuming you're not regularly tethering Jul 12 02:13:47 i have 700 Jul 12 02:13:49 mins Jul 12 02:13:51 I get something like 3200 minutes per month, split between on-net and off Jul 12 02:14:05 I pay 65$ per month for that Jul 12 02:14:18 i want to become a member of the Core Technical Team :x Jul 12 02:14:28 lol Jul 12 02:14:32 chrome_: go work for google Jul 12 02:14:34 :) Jul 12 02:14:51 chrome_: or just contribute actively and consistently-well for years Jul 12 02:14:51 they'll pay you Jul 12 02:14:51 Google just hire the elite of the elite Jul 12 02:14:59 not an IRC noob Jul 12 02:15:00 lol Jul 12 02:15:02 haha Jul 12 02:15:19 just 10 guys working on the core Jul 12 02:15:23 ? Jul 12 02:15:30 Where does it say that Jul 12 02:15:37 zelrikriando: i hear if you can solve for p=np you are golden ;-) Jul 12 02:16:08 I can Jul 12 02:16:09 easy Jul 12 02:16:09 lol Jul 12 02:16:21 the listed core technical team does not necessarily consist of all the engineers working on the core - as a matter of policy, they won't tell us how many engineers are working on Android or any part thereof Jul 12 02:16:21 I think anyone can become a member if the requirements are filled Jul 12 02:16:30 but obviously you didnt hear it from me. Jul 12 02:16:31 uh Jul 12 02:16:38 chrome_: anyone can contribute Jul 12 02:16:53 AakashPatel: I think anyone *could* become a member, in theory... but in practice, no Jul 12 02:17:12 chrome_: but people who work for google employees that work on android get paid ;) Jul 12 02:17:21 Leeds: bleh Jul 12 02:17:36 http://source.android.com/project/core-technical-team Jul 12 02:17:41 I guess you can do a part job with Google Jul 12 02:17:46 Leeds: i'm also sure there are contributors from across the OHC that google is counting but not making public. Jul 12 02:18:04 I've talked to 1 person on taht lol Jul 12 02:18:09 unix_lappy: of course - but not so much on the core team Jul 12 02:18:22 okay Jul 12 02:18:24 2 Jul 12 02:18:28 If you want to be a permanent staff at Google Jul 12 02:18:38 you gotta prove them you re the best Jul 12 02:18:48 or lick your eyebrows Jul 12 02:19:00 :| Jul 12 02:19:01 I dont know how many interviews you get Jul 12 02:19:03 I prefer focusing on my own ideas than following someone elses Jul 12 02:19:09 and how many exams Jul 12 02:19:14 It's hardcore Jul 12 02:19:15 zelrikriando: uh Jul 12 02:19:16 zelrikriando: they turned me down because I don't speak Mandarin Jul 12 02:19:23 really?? Jul 12 02:19:27 zelrikriando, I know my friend Sam had 6 interviews for his position. Jul 12 02:19:37 really Jul 12 02:19:41 damn. Jul 12 02:19:43 zelrikriando: yeah, you have to prove you are really good in one of the mentioned areas Jul 12 02:19:57 Leeds: it is my opinion that while the core team should maintain direction, the actual direction of the project is probably maintained by forces both within the core, the OHC proper, and the rest of the android community. Jul 12 02:20:02 I'm sure there would have been other good reasons to turn me down later in the process - but they didn't even want to talk to me unless I spoke mandarin Jul 12 02:20:09 hell, id like any gob at google that involves sitting infront of a comp Jul 12 02:20:29 which is why android rocks, the core is full of smart determined technologists who are constantly busy and a lot of interested parties and alpha geeks. Jul 12 02:20:32 The thing is that I could as well be hired by Google Jul 12 02:20:38 I am a data analysis expert Jul 12 02:20:43 Leeds, was that due to applying at a particular regional location? Jul 12 02:20:47 unix_lappy: which is why I was trying to differentiate between the 'core technical team' and the group of engineers who work on the core... there's also probably some sort of core steering team Jul 12 02:20:52 iNToIT: Hong Kong Jul 12 02:20:56 nod Jul 12 02:21:06 where Mandarin is neither a local nor official language Jul 12 02:21:09 Perhaps you'd qualify in the US then? Jul 12 02:21:20 of course I don't speak Cantonese either - but they never asked about that Jul 12 02:21:29 I don't want to live in the US - I'm quite happy in Hong Kong for now Jul 12 02:21:34 nod Jul 12 02:21:37 lol Jul 12 02:21:47 chinnna Jul 12 02:21:53 The source is approximentely 2.1GB in size. so big Jul 12 02:21:56 Leeds: Where do you work now? Jul 12 02:21:58 chrome_: yep Jul 12 02:22:01 thats small :P Jul 12 02:22:05 small local company Jul 12 02:22:06 We just came back from Japan, and my wife's making plans for us to move there now Jul 12 02:22:07 chrome_: whats speed is your comp? Jul 12 02:22:09 :/ Jul 12 02:22:22 you mean bandwidth? Jul 12 02:22:25 well Jul 12 02:22:27 both Jul 12 02:22:28 2.1 GB is small ? how ? Jul 12 02:22:29 iNToIT: do either/both of you speak the language? Jul 12 02:22:31 fast enough Jul 12 02:22:37 chrome_: hahaha Jul 12 02:22:40 suuurrrreeee Jul 12 02:23:12 Hong Kong is pretty easy as an English-speker, but I understand Japan is difficult Jul 12 02:23:21 speker Jul 12 02:23:23 you fail Jul 12 02:23:35 Leeds, my wife is Japanese. All I can say in the language is "Excuse me, may I take your picture?" Jul 12 02:23:42 lol Jul 12 02:23:46 :) Jul 12 02:23:48 ah... yes, a very important phrase Jul 12 02:23:52 i spreak gujarti Jul 12 02:23:54 :P Jul 12 02:23:55 It was veery useful Jul 12 02:23:58 AakashPatel: typo, left in on purpose for comic purposes Jul 12 02:24:02 i have a problem differentiating the random figures Jul 12 02:24:10 err Jul 12 02:24:12 gujarati Jul 12 02:24:16 Leeds: mmmhmm Jul 12 02:25:08 there are any place where one can request a kind of app? Jul 12 02:25:13 yeah Jul 12 02:25:14 here Jul 12 02:25:16 Though the more direct translation is closer to, "Pardon, Picture take, ok?" Jul 12 02:25:19 and if i like it,ill make it :) Jul 12 02:25:24 and get some feedback from the community Jul 12 02:25:27 I'll make it for a dollar less :P Jul 12 02:25:28 oh Jul 12 02:25:32 xda-devs is okay Jul 12 02:25:36 or...here Jul 12 02:25:38 :P Jul 12 02:25:39 what sort of app? Jul 12 02:25:49 if its p0rn we cant :P Jul 12 02:25:55 "A Shortcut to Mushrooms" :D Jul 12 02:26:00 haha Jul 12 02:26:05 Shrooms :) Jul 12 02:27:18 chrome_: what sort of app? Jul 12 02:27:27 any sort of app Jul 12 02:27:30 then wtf Jul 12 02:27:46 oh, it was just a general question, you don't have anything in mind? Jul 12 02:27:48 chrome_: we're what you call devleopers, we make apps Jul 12 02:27:50 :P Jul 12 02:27:56 Leeds: no, not yet :P Jul 12 02:28:01 haha Jul 12 02:28:05 but I'm sure I'll have in the future Jul 12 02:28:16 man i luv this keyboard Jul 12 02:28:32 and this mouse Jul 12 02:28:35 and this computer Jul 12 02:28:39 hehe Jul 12 02:29:15 for those who don't know, "A Shortcut to Mushrooms" is a chapter title from LotR - and is alluded to in the film, which I've got running in the background right now Jul 12 02:29:59 I came back from the beer garden a little while ago Jul 12 02:30:00 anyone know if there are any other COTS cameras with hacked firmware that work with zxing? Jul 12 02:30:19 A bit too slogged to connect semi-obscure geek literary references Jul 12 02:31:05 Leeds: have you tried to explore the core code? Jul 12 02:31:21 I've wandered through a couple of bits of it Jul 12 02:31:22 chrome_: why are you so interested in the core code? Jul 12 02:31:27 lol Jul 12 02:31:36 because I love Operating Systems Jul 12 02:31:38 eheh Jul 12 02:31:42 lol Jul 12 02:31:43 and middleware Jul 12 02:31:48 oh my Jul 12 02:31:50 do you know c++ really well? Jul 12 02:32:20 that's hard to say Jul 12 02:32:26 but I have made some projects in C++ Jul 12 02:32:29 like a compiler Jul 12 02:32:30 you mac users gotta use app cleaner :p Jul 12 02:32:34 and a lot of them in C Jul 12 02:32:36 instaed of that zappser shit Jul 12 02:33:01 chrome_: you make a compiler? Jul 12 02:33:05 made* Jul 12 02:33:11 yes Jul 12 02:33:17 furway Jul 12 02:33:18 damn Jul 12 02:33:20 furwat* Jul 12 02:34:54 LOL i was about to paste 1.3MB's of text in this IRC window Jul 12 02:36:21 We would've kicked up out by the time you got to 4 lines. Jul 12 02:36:34 nah Jul 12 02:36:39 Leeds luvs me Jul 12 02:36:40 ;) Jul 12 02:37:45 AakashPatel, you should do it anyway! Jul 12 02:37:46 ;) Jul 12 02:37:56 Haha Jul 12 02:38:26 wm_eddie: do you come here often? Jul 12 02:38:26 <_Auron|G1_> btw vid should be up, check my youtube Jul 12 02:38:35 * Haraken patiently waits for prodigy to get home and try wifi tether Jul 12 02:38:38 _Auron|G1_: wut do i type in? Jul 12 02:38:38 Not really. I just got my phone yesterday. Jul 12 02:38:41 ah Jul 12 02:38:50 don't tempt me, Patel Jul 12 02:38:55 lols Jul 12 02:38:56 and am waiting for someone to announce a magic-working ssh client. Jul 12 02:38:58 <_Auron|G1_> I'm not at home and it was still uploading when I left Jul 12 02:39:00 <_Auron|G1_> but it should be done Jul 12 02:39:05 my sister tried to get a g1 today but she can't do an upgrade for another 2 years Jul 12 02:39:18 :*( Jul 12 02:39:20 wm_eddie: how does connectbot not work on your magic? Jul 12 02:39:21 <_Auron|G1_> stroids Jul 12 02:39:32 Leeds: no text input Jul 12 02:39:41 of course it does Jul 12 02:39:47 ? Jul 12 02:39:51 I can't get pass the password part. Jul 12 02:40:06 And it doesn't do public key auth right I guess. Jul 12 02:40:14 oh, you were the one with taht issue Jul 12 02:40:47 have you spoke to kRutOn about that? Jul 12 02:40:53 speaked Jul 12 02:40:56 spoken Jul 12 02:41:18 Leeds: Nope. I just got it yesterday. Jul 12 02:41:39 connectbot *certainly* works on my Magic - I just logged into my server with it Jul 12 02:41:50 Leeds: how? Jul 12 02:41:52 What does your server run? Jul 12 02:41:55 I mean, how do you input text? Jul 12 02:42:00 duh, Linux Jul 12 02:42:04 and duh, OSK Jul 12 02:42:07 No what distro. Jul 12 02:42:19 Leeds: lol on the dream there is no textview Jul 12 02:42:42 AakashPatel: doesn't need one - the keyboard is hooked to the terminal Jul 12 02:42:48 oh, I've got slackware, debian, gentoo Jul 12 02:43:05 Oh, does it automatically know? Jul 12 02:43:12 Huh, my sever is debian. Jul 12 02:43:14 connectbot is an excellent piece of software Jul 12 02:43:28 wm_eddie: I am using password login - I can't comment on key-handling Jul 12 02:43:42 Is there something special about entering a password that I need to know about? Jul 12 02:43:47 not really, no Jul 12 02:43:50 Like I have to hold something when pressing the enter key? Jul 12 02:43:56 what version of connectbot do you have? Jul 12 02:44:11 1.5.4 Jul 12 02:44:30 slackware it's nice :P Jul 12 02:44:45 same here... there are also newer svn-builds on their website, BTW Jul 12 02:44:46 brb Jul 12 02:44:49 I use it too Jul 12 02:46:06 chrome_: fuhree bheessdee Jul 12 02:46:26 what? Jul 12 02:46:34 freebsd ;) Jul 12 02:47:23 wm_eddie: so you can login from a desktop ssh client using a password, but not from connectbot? Jul 12 02:47:36 Yeah. Jul 12 02:47:46 freebsd: the power to serve :P Jul 12 02:48:03 I could also log in using my treo's pssh program. Jul 12 02:48:16 heh... pssh is the line-oriented one? Jul 12 02:48:17 chrome_: zfs ftw Jul 12 02:48:36 Leeds: No, it could do Emacs and whatever. Jul 12 02:49:13 chrome_: not explored, no - wandered around a little Jul 12 02:51:31 ok Jul 12 02:51:57 guys, there's even a page on the connectbot wiki about how to use it with the OSK Jul 12 02:52:27 I was just using the help that waas on the device. Jul 12 02:54:31 Doesn't mention anything about my problem though. Jul 12 02:55:03 I also can't even type in local mode. Jul 12 02:55:39 wm_eddie: have you tried reinstalling :x Jul 12 02:55:47 <_Auron|G1_> okay so center of grocery store + irc = phone reboot Jul 12 02:55:47 I guess I can try... Jul 12 02:56:01 do you mean it doesn't even come up with a keyboard, or that it doesn't recognise you typing? Jul 12 02:56:07 _Auron|G1_: how? Jul 12 02:56:31 The keyboard comes up but typing does nothing. Jul 12 02:56:52 wm_eddie: for the record, I just generated a keypair on the phone, logged into my server using a password, pasted the public key into my authorized_keys file, then logged out and logged in again with the key Jul 12 02:57:19 so let me get this straight... you select a host from the list - or type one in as username@hostname-or-IP Jul 12 02:57:38 Yeah. Jul 12 02:58:07 then the keyboard comes up covering half the screen... you see it connecting, it gets as far as "Attempting keyboard-interactive authentication"? Jul 12 02:58:14 Yup. Jul 12 02:58:20 <_Auron|G1_> same thing happened last time I was on irc in tom thumb Jul 12 02:58:30 <_Auron|G1_> weak signal and my phone rebooted o.O Jul 12 02:58:33 there's a password field with a blinking cursor in it? Jul 12 02:58:42 <_Auron|G1_> I don't know why Jul 12 02:58:42 Yup Jul 12 02:58:56 I enter the password and press the enter key and it just sits there. Jul 12 02:58:56 but if you type on the keyboard nothing appears in the password box? Jul 12 02:59:04 <_Auron|G1_> did you find the vid aakash? Jul 12 02:59:05 ah, so you can type into the box? Jul 12 02:59:07 I can see the text in the password box. Jul 12 02:59:16 <_Auron|G1_> should be something like stroids score and spawn Jul 12 02:59:23 appropriately starred out? Jul 12 02:59:27 yea Jul 12 02:59:31 Leeds: yeah. Jul 12 02:59:31 i watched it Jul 12 02:59:49 Let me turn of the WnnIME. Jul 12 02:59:51 but it seems to completely ignore the enter key? or it clears the screen but never logs in? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 12 02:59:57 2009