**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 12 02:59:57 2009 Jul 12 03:00:02 what 'brand' of magic do you have? Jul 12 03:00:04 Leeds: just ignores the enter key Jul 12 03:00:10 Docomo Jul 12 03:00:36 hmm... that shouldn't be *too* different from my Chinese one, but it's possible that the different IME is buggering it up Jul 12 03:01:21 you should try the svn version, talk to kRutOn, and/or raise an issue Jul 12 03:01:39 Ok. Jul 12 03:01:41 http://code.google.com/p/connectbot/ FYI Jul 12 03:01:46 oh man thats a fail Jul 12 03:01:47 http://img12.imageshack.us/i/dsc02388b.jpg/ Jul 12 03:02:09 its the SAME size Jul 12 03:02:21 wtf Jul 12 03:02:23 Also, Google isn.t a hardware company like Apple, so they.ll never pull off a beautifully integrated product like the iPhone. This was made clear by the lackluster Android launch. Jul 12 03:02:26 lackluster? Jul 12 03:02:36 android put htc on the map on its shoulders Jul 12 03:02:49 lol Jul 12 03:02:50 no lines and people getting attacked with bats is pretty lackluster for the media. Jul 12 03:03:12 Macer: wtf are you talkin about Jul 12 03:03:29 <_Auron|G1_> aakash: what'd you think? Jul 12 03:03:37 i'm saying that htc stock went sky high since they were the only people to release a google android point during its launch Jul 12 03:03:40 heh Jul 12 03:03:57 _Auron|G1_: make it more exciting Jul 12 03:03:58 ! Jul 12 03:04:04 lol Jul 12 03:04:12 http://gigaom.com/2009/07/08/how-will-google-chrome-os-change-gaming/ Jul 12 03:04:16 i think its pretty good actually Jul 12 03:04:27 they are going to use some o3d stuff Jul 12 03:04:36 <_Auron|G1_> lol Jul 12 03:04:45 which is like... a chrome plugin Jul 12 03:04:54 i wodner how the hell they are gonig to base an entire os off a browser Jul 12 03:04:55 :) Jul 12 03:04:59 why does everyone want gaming so badly ? Jul 12 03:05:03 well I'm d/l the source code: (Receiving objects: 100% (16554/16554), 32.97 MiB | 2656 KiB/s, done.) Jul 12 03:05:04 ? Jul 12 03:05:13 shiznebit: personally i don't Jul 12 03:05:15 they aren't going to base an OS off it... they're basing a rich internet client Jul 12 03:05:16 i hardly play games Jul 12 03:05:16 chrome_: lollll Jul 12 03:05:26 your net is twice as fast as mine Jul 12 03:05:27 :P Jul 12 03:05:29 its a netbook, be glad it plays flash Jul 12 03:05:57 people who hardly play games are different than people whose lives depend on them. Jul 12 03:06:11 :P Jul 12 03:06:26 i play games...in the club :D Jul 12 03:06:31 shiznebit: that's what i said Jul 12 03:06:33 haha Jul 12 03:06:55 but i guess it will be nice to see them try to use the opengl es stuff Jul 12 03:07:03 it Jul 12 03:07:06 will Jul 12 03:07:07 and see if they can make something worthwhile Jul 12 03:07:11 fail Jul 12 03:07:15 :P Jul 12 03:07:28 the OS? Jul 12 03:07:28 you think? Jul 12 03:07:31 i don't Jul 12 03:07:40 i think a billion people will suck it up the first day to put on their netbooks Jul 12 03:07:41 :) Jul 12 03:08:11 and I think a billion people will be shocked to find that it only really supports a small group of specific hardware Jul 12 03:08:23 Leeds: why would taht be teh case Jul 12 03:08:31 ? Jul 12 03:08:35 it uses a linux kernel Jul 12 03:08:36 lol im still laughing on how big this zune is Jul 12 03:08:38 actually it'll be alot like the ubuntu girl....She bought a netbook with ubuntu and couldn't use it so she put blame on dell Jul 12 03:08:48 AakashPatel: i had a zune. awesome to use. shitty to set up Jul 12 03:08:54 because, like Android, it's not going to be a general-purpose OS... it's going to be shipped on supported hardware and hacked onto unsupported hardware Jul 12 03:09:00 Macer: i love the UI Jul 12 03:09:03 shiznebit: i doubt that Jul 12 03:09:04 KNY: bug report - however you hook into outgoing calls; you need to check to see if the call begins with ** - and let those go through normally, not with GV. Jul 12 03:09:13 Leeds: i suppose that is true Jul 12 03:09:21 soo.."smooth" Jul 12 03:09:32 but if it is shipped.. people will enjoy telling their 40something yr old friends "it runs the new google os" Jul 12 03:09:36 "i'm down with internets" Jul 12 03:09:44 and everything will work on supported hardware... some things will work, some things won't on unsupported hardware, and it'll get a bad reputation because of that, unless it's well-managed Jul 12 03:09:53 and of course google is going to make it absolutely idiotproof Jul 12 03:10:12 Leeds: i think android did very well :) Jul 12 03:10:17 Macer linux can't be idiot proof Jul 12 03:10:21 it runs slowly on my 5-year-old Dell! I thought it was meant to be small and quick Jul 12 03:10:32 shiznebit: because idiots are so inventive Jul 12 03:10:36 shiznebit: most google os users won't even realize they are using linux Jul 12 03:10:39 shiznebit: yeah it can Jul 12 03:10:42 5 year old? i have a 8 year old Jul 12 03:10:43 they will just call it google os Jul 12 03:10:44 :p Jul 12 03:10:45 shiznebit: tivo. Jul 12 03:10:51 shiznebit: linksys WAPs. Jul 12 03:10:56 without any concept of the underlying arch or stuff Jul 12 03:11:06 warewolf: my mom can't use the tivo :P Jul 12 03:11:10 shiznebit: popcorn hour media player. NetGear READYNAS Jul 12 03:11:19 shiznebit: android phone. Jul 12 03:11:24 need I say more? Jul 12 03:11:28 lol Jul 12 03:11:33 my mum uses ubuntu now Jul 12 03:11:42 i think warewolf makes an interesting point Jul 12 03:11:55 nobody would realize a tivo was a linux driven box if they didn't know any better because they don't care Jul 12 03:12:01 they just want it to record their tv shows :) Jul 12 03:12:18 actually it seems anything technological is impossible for my mom. she can't use my G1 either.... Jul 12 03:12:21 and anybody wanting to move google os over to unsupported hardware would knwo better Jul 12 03:12:40 Macer: then the same people would know better about Android Jul 12 03:12:52 Leeds: heh Jul 12 03:12:58 android is too light for a netbook Jul 12 03:13:12 too... basic? Jul 12 03:13:20 most people dont care what its running as long as it works and is simple Jul 12 03:13:24 slimmed down... lacking.. Jul 12 03:13:25 too small-device focused Jul 12 03:13:35 Leeds: there you go Jul 12 03:13:40 that's what i was thinking ;) Jul 12 03:13:45 I know :) Jul 12 03:13:51 the newer netbooks running arms.. they will be more powerful Jul 12 03:13:56 more ram better cpu Jul 12 03:14:04 dragonball, or whatever it's called Jul 12 03:14:07 running android would be minimalist.. which i suppose is fine Jul 12 03:14:17 no, dragonball was the 68k chip Palm used Jul 12 03:14:19 but why get a corvette if you're only going to drive 25mph Jul 12 03:14:20 ? Jul 12 03:14:52 google knew this when it made android. nobody would realistically run it on something bigger than a slower portable Jul 12 03:14:52 beause - although the analogy breaks down - you get 100mpg Jul 12 03:15:11 Leeds: that isn't worth it if it takes you forever to get anywhere Jul 12 03:15:13 snapdragon Jul 12 03:15:22 :) Jul 12 03:15:31 but linux gets you there faster Jul 12 03:15:44 google shoudl use an opensolaris kernel! Jul 12 03:15:47 haha Jul 12 03:15:56 except it's slo. Jul 12 03:16:00 and has no drivers. Jul 12 03:16:01 a car with linux will run 50% better in all aspects Jul 12 03:16:01 ok. i havge to do stuff.. going on day 4 of not smoking Jul 12 03:16:11 weird, is the market not working for anyone else? Jul 12 03:16:15 wm_eddie: works fine on 3 different PCs i've put it on ;) Jul 12 03:16:15 I keep getting network errors Jul 12 03:16:19 Macer: not smoking what ? Jul 12 03:16:25 Macer: it's going to take you forever to get anywhere in city traffic anyway Jul 12 03:16:36 shiznebit: i just want my damn touchbook already Jul 12 03:16:37 i'm going to email them and ask when it's going to show up Jul 12 03:16:49 Leeds: not if you know which streets to take ;) Jul 12 03:17:04 only suburbanites heading to work get stuck on the highways Jul 12 03:17:05 they will ship at nearing the end of july Jul 12 03:17:13 if you're limited by the network and I/O anyway, why not run lighter software? Jul 12 03:17:21 shiznebit: are all preorders going out? Jul 12 03:17:29 yea Jul 12 03:17:30 or will it be a popcornhour situation? Jul 12 03:17:41 where you have tow ait for chinese slave labor to make more units? Jul 12 03:17:47 we'll get it in august, its being shipped by either USPS or UPS Jul 12 03:17:54 i couldn't figure out which Jul 12 03:18:01 yay chinese slave labour Jul 12 03:18:07 my receipt says usps Jul 12 03:18:11 Leeds: i know Jul 12 03:18:19 the chinese keep the touchbook at $400 Jul 12 03:18:19 :) Jul 12 03:18:22 the source of all that's cheap and crappy Jul 12 03:18:29 well ok USPS from Cali will take a week Jul 12 03:18:30 haha Jul 12 03:18:30 YUP! Jul 12 03:18:36 but i love my popcornhour Jul 12 03:18:42 even if it's crappy.. it still works :) Jul 12 03:18:45 touchbook being www.alwaysinnovating.com/ right? Jul 12 03:18:51 yeah Jul 12 03:18:53 yea leads Jul 12 03:18:56 Leeds: Jul 12 03:18:59 shiznebit: cali to chicago. maybe not Jul 12 03:19:08 cali to NY yea Jul 12 03:19:15 i've gotten things from cali in about 3 days Jul 12 03:19:18 oh Jul 12 03:19:21 I've just got my home fileserver/router plugged into my big TV and running xbmc, mplayer, etc. - gf also uses it as a facebook machine, for playing games Jul 12 03:19:22 yeah you're screwed Jul 12 03:19:33 aw Jul 12 03:19:35 xbmc Jul 12 03:19:40 so technically still popcorn hour Jul 12 03:19:41 * AakashPatel gots to work on that Jul 12 03:19:45 thanks for reminding me Leeds :P Jul 12 03:19:53 hrh Jul 12 03:19:56 Leeds: and i have a tiny popcornhour box that does everything yours does but better Jul 12 03:19:59 haha Jul 12 03:20:01 (in a bad way_ Jul 12 03:20:03 minus teh facebook but facebook sucks Jul 12 03:20:05 :) Jul 12 03:20:10 teh facebook rox Jul 12 03:20:15 it means I get to IRC while she's playing card games online Jul 12 03:20:21 hahaha Jul 12 03:20:24 ok I'll see ya guys Jul 12 03:20:33 time to learn how to drive stick Jul 12 03:20:46 wow Jul 12 03:20:50 freudian slip? Jul 12 03:20:51 :) Jul 12 03:21:08 i have to go too Jul 12 03:23:00 what's wrong with facebook? Jul 12 03:23:46 i luv facebook Jul 12 03:24:04 facebook ftl Jul 12 03:24:11 gasp! Jul 12 03:24:14 warewolf, what does ** signify? Jul 12 03:24:25 wtf Jul 12 03:24:32 whats the point of facebook usernames if they dont work Jul 12 03:24:38 facebook is the bee's knees Jul 12 03:24:39 KNY: it's the special way of talking to the gsm radio to set stuff like call forwarding Jul 12 03:24:56 warewolf, MMI codes? I don't believe that GV is allowed to alter those Jul 12 03:25:08 yeah, mmi Jul 12 03:25:08 (regardless, I'll fix it) Jul 12 03:25:20 well, the GV app hooked in and tried to send it to my gvoice number Jul 12 03:25:26 interesting Jul 12 03:25:30 (dial "out" method) Jul 12 03:25:33 yeah Jul 12 03:26:04 I don't know jack about how the hooks work, but I suppose just ignoring or -- passing on "handling" that event may work? Jul 12 03:26:06 what are we talking about? Jul 12 03:26:26 idk Jul 12 03:26:27 Jul 12 03:26:39 how did you do that o.o Jul 12 03:26:50 i am cool like that Jul 12 03:26:52 my client doesnt let me click enter if i just make a space Jul 12 03:26:54 :P Jul 12 03:27:03 i didn't make a space Jul 12 03:27:09 no Jul 12 03:27:12 warewolf: Jul 12 03:27:13 :P Jul 12 03:27:16 rawr Jul 12 03:27:16 cntrl + k + number Jul 12 03:27:29 Nokia is also developing an S60 port of Qt which the company is said to be positioning as the dominant toolkit for Symbian Jul 12 03:27:32 woah Jul 12 03:27:47 now tha tsounds like awesome Jul 12 03:27:58 = c o l o r s Jul 12 03:29:05 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2015650&id=1296105050&l=ec1c81577f Jul 12 03:29:07 man Jul 12 03:29:11 make me stop wondering about this zune Jul 12 03:29:14 why is it sooo big Jul 12 03:29:38 that's what she said Jul 12 03:29:45 ;) Jul 12 03:30:05 lol Jul 12 03:30:24 nite ppl Jul 12 03:30:38 nite Jul 12 03:30:42 have fun with your ifone Jul 12 03:30:44 :P Jul 12 03:30:49 g'nite you f'r Jul 12 03:30:55 lolll Jul 12 03:31:08 brb, switching to my n810 Jul 12 03:31:20 . In particular, he points out that the existing C programmers who have been coding GTK+ applications for Maemo could have difficulty adapting to C++ and Qt. Jul 12 03:31:27 AakashPatel: because it has a hard drive? :) Jul 12 03:31:41 if it's one of the older 30G ones then it is going to be big Jul 12 03:31:41 Macer: orly? Jul 12 03:31:45 yeah Jul 12 03:31:45 haha Jul 12 03:31:51 its the 30GB one Jul 12 03:31:53 it has like.. a laptop hd in it :) Jul 12 03:31:56 o.o Jul 12 03:31:59 noes noes Jul 12 03:32:02 how? Jul 12 03:32:02 that was back in the day when that was a new thing? Jul 12 03:32:03 what? Jul 12 03:32:05 damn. Jul 12 03:32:07 mine did Jul 12 03:32:09 listen to it Jul 12 03:32:10 lol Jul 12 03:32:14 okay Jul 12 03:32:15 you can hear it reading the hdd Jul 12 03:32:19 HOLY CRAP Jul 12 03:32:21 it's not a bad device tho Jul 12 03:32:24 wow Jul 12 03:32:34 the app for it totallys ucks though Jul 12 03:32:36 i actually own something thats worth something Jul 12 03:32:39 they should have just let you mount it as a drive Jul 12 03:32:39 app? o.O Jul 12 03:32:50 ill bet you could if you try really hard Jul 12 03:32:50 the zune software that you're supposed to use with it Jul 12 03:32:55 to sync your stuff to it Jul 12 03:33:02 i don't think there was anything else you can use for it Jul 12 03:33:09 i dont even have the cables for mine Jul 12 03:33:12 i needa buy them tomorrow Jul 12 03:33:14 hahaha! Jul 12 03:33:20 good luck! Jul 12 03:33:22 lol Jul 12 03:33:24 really? Jul 12 03:33:26 i don't knwo Jul 12 03:33:31 never had to buy a replacement cable Jul 12 03:33:31 walmart ftw Jul 12 03:33:33 :P Jul 12 03:33:37 i doubt it Jul 12 03:33:40 radio shack Jul 12 03:43:47 I plan on getting the new mytouch 3g and was wanting to play around with making apps. I'm really only good with ruby, so was wondering if anyone had tried Rhomobile? Jul 12 03:43:49 k so Jul 12 03:44:13 anyone with the Rogers Magic able to get USB tethering to work? Jul 12 03:44:16 and bluetooth? Jul 12 03:44:21 (possibly with a mac?) Jul 12 03:45:32 hmpf... t-mobile just tried to fast-talk me into signing a dispute arbitration agreement... Jul 12 03:45:43 ... Jul 12 03:45:44 a what? Jul 12 03:45:51 so... no android for now... not until i have a chat with a lawyer monday Jul 12 03:45:55 a "you can rape me" agreement Jul 12 03:45:57 jpa--: giving up my right to sue Jul 12 03:46:09 sugarmagnolia: wtf would you need to sue for Jul 12 03:46:14 i have a right to opt out... i asked the manager how, but he kept trying to fast talk his way around it Jul 12 03:46:29 warewolf: i don't know, probably never will, but if i need to, i'm signing away my right to do it Jul 12 03:46:31 so you're one of those customers..... Jul 12 03:46:34 sugarmagnolia: I'm all for knowing your rights and protecting them, but ... Jul 12 03:46:46 but anyway, i found out how to "opt out" in 30 seconds of google searching Jul 12 03:46:57 yes, jpa-- i am Jul 12 03:47:14 so this is weird Jul 12 03:47:19 lol Macer in that pic, android, microsoft, and apple Jul 12 03:47:22 all in 1 pic Jul 12 03:47:23 my phone has no functioning DNS when connected via GSM Jul 12 03:47:24 haha Jul 12 03:47:26 sugarmagnolia: care to share? :) Jul 12 03:47:53 er, it has no internet access. Jul 12 03:47:54 what's the situation? Jul 12 03:47:57 hm. wtf. Jul 12 03:47:57 anyway, i'll go back and discuss it with them on monday... and contact the higher ups at t-mobile to make sure their store managers know how to answer the "how do i opt out" question.. "https://www.t-mobiledisputeresolution.com/FAQ.aspx" explains it Jul 12 03:47:59 or can you not share, now that it's a legal matter? Jul 12 03:48:13 it's not a legal matter at all Jul 12 03:48:14 thanks Jul 12 03:48:36 the idiot store manager just couldn't answer the question. Jul 12 03:48:48 problem solved, i guess... so maybe i'll get that phone after all Jul 12 03:49:11 are you trying to demand a free phone? Jul 12 03:49:12 bah fsck, it was apndroid. Jul 12 03:49:20 not at all Jul 12 03:49:25 not demanding anything Jul 12 03:49:43 i went to buy one, then saw the waiver for dispute resolution and stopped dead Jul 12 03:50:03 oh like you HAVE TO sign the thing before you get the phone? Jul 12 03:50:08 yes Jul 12 03:50:24 if i'd known all i have to do is call a number to opt out, it would've been no problem Jul 12 03:50:40 sugarmagnolia: wish I had known about opting out. but ah well. Jul 12 03:50:48 wtf are you saying sugar Jul 12 03:50:49 weird Jul 12 03:50:49 *nod* always read what you sign :) Jul 12 03:50:57 sugarmagnolia: oh, I read it :) Jul 12 03:51:41 sugarmagnolia: I remember signing that. I just didn't consider it important enough to worry about, but if I knew I could opt out I would have in a second. Jul 12 03:52:03 JesusFreke: that arbitration agreement may not have been on your contract... apparently it's something they've added recently Jul 12 03:52:08 how recently, i don't know Jul 12 03:52:38 sugarmagnolia: I'm almost positive I remember something like that. but maybe not. *shrug* Jul 12 03:52:52 *nod* if you've signed within 30 days, you can still do it Jul 12 03:52:57 nah Jul 12 03:55:11 jf- hey, do you how to "system sign" apks so they can do restricted things? Jul 12 03:56:37 you have to sign them with the same key that was used to sign the system apks. (typically framework-res.apk, but possibly something else, depending on exactly what you're wanting to do) Jul 12 03:56:58 oh that .bks cert store? Jul 12 03:57:09 that has nothing to do with it Jul 12 03:57:26 the ADP builds use the same keys that an AOSP build uses Jul 12 03:57:52 where have all the googlers been lately? Jul 12 03:58:04 working too hard I guess Jul 12 03:58:15 for official builds (t-mobile US/EU or whatever), you've pretty much got to resign the system apks with a known key, because you don't have the key they used to sign them Jul 12 03:59:12 well I wanna see what fixing this error does: Jul 12 03:59:13 W/PackageManager( 90): Not granting permission android.permission.CALL_PRIVILEGED to package com.evancharlton.googlevoice (protectionLevel=3 flags=0x44) Jul 12 03:59:55 JesusFreke, I don't suppose you have an officially released by HTC or Google NBH image that flashes an old SPL for HTC Magic, do you? :) Jul 12 04:00:08 jmaurice: nope :) Jul 12 04:00:23 I don't have much of anything for magic Jul 12 04:00:40 it's a hot item now... release that and you'll be god of all the mytouch users Jul 12 04:00:55 oh, well let me get right on it :p Jul 12 04:01:19 yes please and hey did you ever release any magic roms? Jul 12 04:01:31 or did anyone ever port your stuff to magic? Jul 12 04:01:38 no, and no clue :) Jul 12 04:01:38 lamusic builds magic roms Jul 12 04:01:58 he released some Ion-based builds the other day Jul 12 04:02:31 not very useful if your SPL doesn't allow fastboot :) Jul 12 04:02:54 jmaurice, Magics have been rooted, no? Jul 12 04:06:45 there are many different SPL running on the magics in the world Jul 12 04:06:53 most allow fastboot, but newer ones do not Jul 12 04:10:38 was this published by HTC? http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=105789&id=106602165565 Jul 12 04:10:52 cute comic about the hero, I wonder if they actually got the licensing for all those famous superheros Jul 12 04:31:42 woop Jul 12 04:34:54 woop woop! Jul 12 04:35:00 hi leeds :) Jul 12 04:35:16 happy Sunday lunchtime Jul 12 04:35:37 happy saturday night Jul 12 04:42:21 Haraken: are you there? Jul 12 04:42:49 yo, TommyBres Jul 12 04:43:23 hey kny Jul 12 04:43:45 what's new down in your corner of the state? Jul 12 04:44:02 im in the middle of the state :P Jul 12 04:44:09 did you move? Jul 12 04:44:18 but not much, got toasted and went to a comedy club Jul 12 04:44:29 and no i didnt move Jul 12 04:44:51 <_Auron|G1_> so 3rd video will probably demonstrate menus with text and newer enemies Jul 12 04:45:08 _Auron|G1_, I'm psyched on this game. Do you take preorders? :) Jul 12 04:45:14 _Auron|G1_ link me to the first 2 videos Jul 12 04:45:15 xp doesn't measure the time this atom has power wise for the battery correctly Jul 12 04:45:18 plz Jul 12 04:45:21 right now i'm at half and it says 3 hrs :) Jul 12 04:45:34 Macer, is that low or high? Jul 12 04:45:41 high Jul 12 04:45:41 higher Jul 12 04:45:45 it lasts like 4-5 on 100% Jul 12 04:45:46 obbbvvvssss Jul 12 04:45:53 anyone else here using cyanogen's mod AND android wifi tether for root? Jul 12 04:45:54 piece of crap aspireone Jul 12 04:45:56 heh Jul 12 04:46:08 Macer, that's what you get for buying Acer Jul 12 04:46:23 hm Jul 12 04:46:25 KNY: well. i preordered the touch book too ;) Jul 12 04:46:27 <_Auron|G1_> TommyBres: on my g1 atm, youtube Stroids though Jul 12 04:46:29 TommyBres, here's one Jul 12 04:46:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNPZz6S7XLw Jul 12 04:46:34 got the acer for $200 so i'm happy Jul 12 04:46:37 thx Jul 12 04:46:40 <_Auron|G1_> or that works Jul 12 04:46:57 it will do until i get this touch book Jul 12 04:47:09 i really hope the os doesn't suck Jul 12 04:47:25 it's designed by a french guy so it will look pretty at least Jul 12 04:48:06 romainguy? :) Jul 12 04:48:21 as longa s it can print and will have openoffice 3.something i'm happy Jul 12 04:48:26 oh... and the internet too.. taht would be nice :) Jul 12 04:48:32 <_Auron|G1_> TommyBres: check Other Vids by the User on the right to see my 2nd vid Jul 12 04:48:51 hopefully i don't have problems tethering it to my phone either. otherwise i'm going to have do do strange things with my phone and a wifi router Jul 12 04:49:01 like tether the router to hte phone and use the router as an ap or something Jul 12 04:49:18 wonder if that's even possible Jul 12 04:49:33 _Auron|G1_, you should implement a dynamic music mixing engine :) Jul 12 04:49:38 instead of the other way around Jul 12 04:49:48 <_Auron|G1_> eh? heh Jul 12 04:50:02 looks sickkk Jul 12 04:50:08 <_Auron|G1_> so playing track-based in runtime? Jul 12 04:50:11 _Auron|G1_, remember how you were talking about spawning more enemies when the music gets faster? Jul 12 04:50:24 _Auron|G1_ how much will it cost? Jul 12 04:50:28 <_Auron|G1_> KNY: I decided against that Jul 12 04:50:29 instead you should mix in faster beats as they get their ass kicked Jul 12 04:50:57 lol Jul 12 04:51:02 <_Auron|G1_> TommyBres: it's ADC2 entry Jul 12 04:51:15 <_Auron|G1_> if I did sell it though it'd be 2.99 Jul 12 04:51:38 _Auron|G1_ youre still gonna be selling it though... Jul 12 04:51:43 looks like it'll be worth $2.99 easily Jul 12 04:51:54 oh didnt see your 2nd msg Jul 12 04:52:02 irc app being weird Jul 12 04:52:08 KNY: yes? Jul 12 04:52:22 2.99 seems like a fair price :) Jul 12 04:52:28 romainguy, oh sorry, he was talking about a UI designed by a frenchman :) Jul 12 04:52:30 hrmm Jul 12 04:52:39 a lot of apps freeze my phone while running fatal1tys hero rom Jul 12 04:52:46 (and how that means it will look good) Jul 12 04:52:48 what rom would you guys recommend? Jul 12 04:53:03 JF 1.51 Jul 12 04:53:04 i gave a 20 bag to a homeless person today Jul 12 04:53:29 <_Auron|G1_> 20 bag? Jul 12 04:53:46 $20 bag Jul 12 04:54:02 <_Auron|G1_> ah Jul 12 04:54:10 <_Auron|G1_> cool Jul 12 04:54:27 yeah Jul 12 04:55:23 So, what's new in the android world Jul 12 04:55:38 2.0 released Jul 12 04:55:39 i7500 Jul 12 04:55:42 jk, jk Jul 12 04:55:47 ooo i7500 Jul 12 04:55:49 is it out yet? Jul 12 04:55:52 yes Jul 12 04:55:55 yes, galaxy is hawttt Jul 12 04:56:30 orly Jul 12 04:56:35 what carrier? Jul 12 04:56:39 O2 Jul 12 04:56:48 02? Jul 12 04:56:51 yes Jul 12 04:57:06 Obviously I dont know what O2 is Jul 12 04:57:11 hence the "?" Jul 12 04:57:22 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=o2 Jul 12 04:57:35 sigh Jul 12 04:57:43 why do you have to be a smart ass Jul 12 04:57:55 to cancel out your laziness :) Jul 12 04:58:15 So asking a question is lazy? GOT IT Jul 12 04:58:19 Doucheknocker Jul 12 04:58:44 haha Jul 12 04:58:46 wow Jul 12 05:07:41 (hquit Jul 12 05:07:50 has anyone here ran ettercap or ghettotooth on the g1? Jul 12 05:11:05 nah Jul 12 05:12:28 prodigy, kind of... got called in at work to check out a dying server Jul 12 05:12:38 prodigy, I haven't had a chance to restore my phone Jul 12 05:12:56 Haraken: yeah i just got home myself Jul 12 05:13:05 been reading through google on this unknown state issue Jul 12 05:13:17 prodigy, I don't get unknown state on mine just for the record Jul 12 05:13:22 mine just doesn't let me connect Jul 12 05:13:23 i'm going to give that 0.9.7 version a try now..perhaps that one works and i don't care about UI..as long as it works really Jul 12 05:13:38 Haraken: yeah I get it sometimes, and sometimes it never shows me the error Jul 12 05:13:44 ahh ok Jul 12 05:13:50 prodigy, why don't you try a restore first? Jul 12 05:13:51 it just won't let any PC that tries to connect get an IP or something..hangs there Jul 12 05:13:54 use nandroid to backup Jul 12 05:13:58 i just came from a restore lol Jul 12 05:14:00 I tried other tether apps Jul 12 05:14:06 wiped everything and started from scratch on apps, everything Jul 12 05:14:06 restored with out apps2sd? Jul 12 05:14:16 Haraken: oh no..haven't done that Jul 12 05:14:20 try that Jul 12 05:14:30 i wanna keep my apps on sd...so i'll go and try the older version first..if that works i'm happy Jul 12 05:14:34 other dude in here said he got it working with that before going to apps2sd Jul 12 05:14:36 no need to not have apps2sd just for one app Jul 12 05:15:01 I tried anetshare and had the same problem i think it is something to do with our hardware or the way we've installed our rom Jul 12 05:15:13 lemme know how 0.9.7 works Jul 12 05:16:08 ok heading to the datacenter to take care of this server then heading home Jul 12 05:16:08 bbiaf Jul 12 05:21:28 ive seen alot of hype about the cyanogenized rom lately Jul 12 05:21:33 what's so great about it ? Jul 12 05:21:36 it's fast Jul 12 05:21:39 and stable Jul 12 05:21:58 and the dude has been releasing updates like every other day with the exception of this weekend Jul 12 05:22:05 so he works his but off Jul 12 05:22:23 ahh ok Jul 12 05:22:28 butt* Jul 12 05:22:41 also.. on the rom im currently running, i noticed a "update firmware" option in the settings menu....what's that? Jul 12 05:22:53 free google updates? Jul 12 05:22:58 it'll force a manual check for available updates, I think Jul 12 05:24:00 ah i isee Jul 12 05:27:14 Cyan Rogers Rom v3.3 is the lateast i assume? Jul 12 05:31:50 man this pisses me off rofl Jul 12 05:31:57 Haraken: 0.97.1 still won't work Jul 12 05:32:05 Hey, could someone point me in the right direction for rooting my phone? Ultimately I want to run debian currently I am running a non modded CRB43 Jul 12 05:34:02 .... Jul 12 05:34:05 run debian? Jul 12 05:34:53 yea Jul 12 05:35:29 http://www.androidfanatic.com/cms/community-forums.html?func=view&catid=9&id=2248 Jul 12 05:36:29 step one is to get jesusfrekes stuff running Jul 12 05:37:08 have you installed the android SDK/ Jul 12 05:38:00 negative, I have a stock phone pretty much Jul 12 05:39:35 which phone do you have, with which provier ? Jul 12 05:39:37 *provider? Jul 12 05:41:51 yo Jul 12 05:42:52 anyone running the htc sense ui firmware? Jul 12 05:43:06 looking for a full write up. Jul 12 05:43:21 "no". that's about as full as I get :) Jul 12 05:44:38 lol Jul 12 05:44:48 sup unix_lappy Jul 12 05:45:24 sorry, I have the g1 and I am using it on ATT Jul 12 05:45:34 jpa-- Jul 12 05:45:45 anyone hear if the adp1 will get sense ui? Jul 12 05:45:56 its not a google branded device. ;) Jul 12 05:48:41 its quiet in here tonight Jul 12 05:48:57 SORRY! Jul 12 05:50:12 JesusFreke: its your fault Jul 12 05:50:32 shhh.. be wery wery quiet.. Jul 12 05:50:58 prodigy, just got home. gonna do a nandroid backup and reinstall with a different flash card for testing purposes Jul 12 05:52:41 lol, it is? Jul 12 05:55:11 * d474rpr tiptoes through the tulips Jul 12 05:57:16 so nothing on the menu tonight then? Jul 12 05:58:22 just some robert jordan with a bit of relaxation on the side Jul 12 06:01:11 Haraken: ok let me know how that goes Jul 12 06:01:37 will do... Jul 12 06:01:48 anyone have a link for the most recent Cyanogenized Rogers rom? Jul 12 06:02:08 what's the difference between the original and the rogers rom? Jul 12 06:02:14 I have the link for the original if you want :P Jul 12 06:02:44 risk the original won't work on rogers phones? Jul 12 06:02:45 i dunno Jul 12 06:02:51 some roms don't work on some phones Jul 12 06:02:57 search this thread for rogers Jul 12 06:03:01 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=518851 Jul 12 06:03:12 you're bound to find someone with the same question and an answer Jul 12 06:04:56 just has instructions for stuff ive already done Jul 12 06:05:31 ah bummer Jul 12 06:05:32 :( Jul 12 06:05:47 you did you get a rogers dream instead of an htc dream? Jul 12 06:06:14 did you buy from tmobile? Jul 12 06:06:44 well the Rogers Dream is the HTC Jul 12 06:06:45 Rogers HTC Dream Jul 12 06:06:51 its just the HTC Dream.. released on rogers Jul 12 06:06:51 ohh Jul 12 06:07:01 on rogers? what is rogers? Jul 12 06:07:03 and no.. i got the HTC Magic (Rogers) Jul 12 06:07:13 wireless provider Jul 12 06:07:22 ahhh I see ok that makes sense Jul 12 06:07:25 the big one of canada Jul 12 06:07:33 which means my tmobile question was dumb :) Jul 12 06:07:38 haha kinda :p Jul 12 06:08:08 simple mistake if you don't know though so w/e Jul 12 06:08:31 woops Jul 12 06:08:46 just pulled my sd card out before confirming that i wanted to shut down my phone Jul 12 06:08:47 here's my stupid question Jul 12 06:08:52 phone wasn't too happy at all Jul 12 06:09:02 Is the cyanogenized rom a hero rom? Jul 12 06:09:03 hope file system on sd card is ok Jul 12 06:09:06 no it's not Jul 12 06:09:12 it doesn't require any spl/radio updates either Jul 12 06:09:17 oh Jul 12 06:09:31 when you say "spl/radio" Jul 12 06:09:42 do you mean spl and radio are two different things? Jul 12 06:09:48 yes Jul 12 06:09:54 hrm Jul 12 06:10:01 they go together though since you can brick if you don't have the right radio Jul 12 06:10:06 i still don't know which is which, or what affects what Jul 12 06:10:11 no clue what roms will work on my phone Jul 12 06:10:37 uh-oh, connectbot not working with the WnnIME? Jul 12 06:10:37 I bricked one phone already because I hadn't read enough and relied on a single tutorial's information Jul 12 06:10:37 heh i almost did that Jul 12 06:10:54 luckily all i did was flashed a rom for the wrong SPL Jul 12 06:10:59 rom made for 1.33.2005 Jul 12 06:11:03 oh i guess that's not too bad Jul 12 06:11:04 flashed on 1.33.0009 Jul 12 06:11:08 you were able to recover? Jul 12 06:11:13 = Frozen at provider splash screen Jul 12 06:11:33 yeah i just had to wipe data and flash a rom for the 1.33.0009 SPL Jul 12 06:11:44 then I flashed to 1.33.2005 spl Jul 12 06:11:48 so more roms are compatible Jul 12 06:12:29 but still not sure how to be sure which roms will work Jul 12 06:12:35 only thing im going by is SPL Jul 12 06:12:41 and if it says "Rogers-signed" Jul 12 06:12:48 jpa--, just make a nandroid backup and test away Jul 12 06:12:53 or otherwise noted that it was made for a rogers phone Jul 12 06:12:57 roms won't brick your phone like an spl update can Jul 12 06:13:12 i guess i should flash back to a wiped state Jul 12 06:13:14 re-root Jul 12 06:13:22 then do a nandroid backup of a fresh system Jul 12 06:13:34 i should probably just stick with 1.33.2005 right? Jul 12 06:15:01 i don't know much about spls I would leave whatever spl you have though Jul 12 06:16:14 i've done enough reading so far that i'm pretty sure im just over-thinking myself to paranoia Jul 12 06:16:34 well it's good to be cautious, it's not like these phones are cheap. Jul 12 06:20:17 doing first boot with non apps2sd cyanogen... Jul 12 06:20:36 then I get to see if this tether app will work with my phone Jul 12 06:20:40 i was just reading some forums where people were talking about apps2sd and cyanogen Jul 12 06:20:41 what exactly is/was the issue? Jul 12 06:20:51 it'll be pretty neat to be a walking wifi hotspot Jul 12 06:21:09 yeah ive been trying to get that working too Jul 12 06:21:12 jpa--, well I'm not sure if the issue is related to apps2sd or not but I'm having problems with wifi tether. everything is working great. Jul 12 06:21:21 otherwise Jul 12 06:21:41 are you getting the error about iptables and something about updating kernel version ? Jul 12 06:21:50 another user in here said he had latest cyanogenmod using apps2sd working with wifi tether Jul 12 06:22:04 no that's the problem, iptables gets imported correctly Jul 12 06:22:09 dnsmasq is running Jul 12 06:22:12 file permissions are correct Jul 12 06:22:20 no errors in the error log, not even if i start the app manually Jul 12 06:22:24 interfaces get configured correctly Jul 12 06:22:27 hrmm Jul 12 06:22:29 I just can't connect to the hotspot Jul 12 06:22:32 er access point Jul 12 06:22:34 ... try your phone on another computer? Jul 12 06:22:40 yep Jul 12 06:22:44 hrmm Jul 12 06:22:45 tried it with windows and linux Jul 12 06:22:49 no idea then Jul 12 06:22:53 yeah it's a pain Jul 12 06:22:56 ive only managed to tether via usb Jul 12 06:23:10 oh what's the app for that? Jul 12 06:23:16 I'll settle for that if i can't get wifi tether working Jul 12 06:23:51 heh it was just a setting built into the Hero rom i tried Jul 12 06:24:02 "Enable Network Sharing" Jul 12 06:24:31 Fatal1tys Hero rom is pretty good Jul 12 06:24:46 some bugs though Jul 12 06:24:54 like if you go into airplane mode, you have to reboot to get out Jul 12 06:25:18 ah that sucks Jul 12 06:27:41 brb testing this tether Jul 12 06:29:52 no dice Jul 12 06:30:12 gonna try installing wifi tether as a system application if that doesn't work gonna flash a JF rom Jul 12 06:33:50 Haraken: yeah, my guess is that it's cyanogen's mod that is the problem...and that oether person might be using an earlier version..like 3.3.5 or something Jul 12 06:34:04 prodigy, did you try JF yet? Jul 12 06:34:06 which might be working..but the latest 3.6.5 doesn't seem to be..which is what i'm running Jul 12 06:34:10 Haraken: no Jul 12 06:34:24 nyt, your irc app doesn't seem to be visible in the Market on the ADP1. Jul 12 06:34:39 prodigy, brb gonna try connecting again Jul 12 06:37:41 prodigy, yeah installing it as a system application had to affect Jul 12 06:37:44 downloading JF rom now Jul 12 06:40:08 honestly I hope the JF rom works, because that means I can bug cyanogen to fix it :) Jul 12 06:41:05 I am going to try the ADP version of JF rom if the US version works Jul 12 06:41:16 cyanogenmod is adp I'm wondering if that has anything to do with it Jul 12 06:43:06 Haraken: jf and cyanogen are both adp Jul 12 06:43:32 prodigy, http://jf.andblogs.net/2009/05/24/jfv151-images-are-out/#more-88 Jul 12 06:43:36 there is a link for US and ADP Jul 12 06:43:37 Haraken: have you done the cyanogenmod without apps2sd? if yo udid that and now are trying JF and it works, then yes, it appears that it's a problem with cyanogen's latest rom Jul 12 06:43:49 prodigy, i did try without apps2sd Jul 12 06:43:56 Haraken: same issue? Jul 12 06:44:01 yep Jul 12 06:44:25 what's difference between US and ADP version of cyanogen rom? Jul 12 06:44:34 ADP is developers rom Jul 12 06:44:50 prodigy, if I can't get it to work with JF then I'll be happy as long as usb tether works. Jul 12 06:44:55 Anyone have any experience with Google AdSense? Jul 12 06:45:16 Haraken: certain roms Jul 12 06:45:34 ugh im still trying to find a rogers port of the cyanogen rom Jul 12 06:45:39 the only link i find is dead Jul 12 06:47:15 ok installing wifi tether Jul 12 06:48:22 brb connecting to access point Jul 12 06:51:01 Haraken: what's usb tether? lol Jul 12 06:51:17 i heard you can use usb directly to tether for internet instead of wifi Jul 12 06:51:18 *Shrug* Jul 12 06:51:29 good news is, it's not the rom's fault Jul 12 06:51:34 bad news is, it still doesn't work Jul 12 06:51:47 prodigy, I think we have different hardware that isn't compatible with wifi tether *shrug* Jul 12 06:51:51 that's the only thing I can think of Jul 12 06:52:01 I'm restoring my nandroid backup Jul 12 06:52:27 i would test the bluetooth if i had a bluetooth adapter Jul 12 06:52:36 Haraken: hm...i know anetshare used to work with jf's latest rom before I moved to cyanogen Jul 12 06:52:50 lucky, that doesn't even work for me Jul 12 06:53:01 hm..wondering..is it the radio update? Jul 12 06:53:12 there is nothing else that would "touch" the hardware really Jul 12 06:53:22 prodigy, go for it. Jul 12 06:53:26 just do research first I guess Jul 12 06:53:49 someone said something about that in here that iptables doesn't work with an older radio/spl Jul 12 06:55:39 maybe we can get away with just doing a hard spl update Jul 12 06:57:51 nandroid restore is nice Jul 12 07:02:22 how do i see what version spl and radio I have? Jul 12 07:03:05 Jul 12 07:10:09 radio is bandversion right? under settings | about phone etc.. Jul 12 07:10:24 and spl...you have to boot up phone with Camera + power button Jul 12 07:10:30 Haraken: that is Jul 12 07:10:56 oh it's bandversion? Jul 12 07:11:51 62.33.20.08H_1.22.12.29 Jul 12 07:11:58 that's my baseband version Jul 12 07:12:26 Haraken: yeah that's the one I had before Jul 12 07:12:28 try it with this version Jul 12 07:12:48 this is the one I had before I changed from JF to cyanogen's and applied the radio update Jul 12 07:13:05 so you applied a radio update and still didn't work? Jul 12 07:14:01 Haraken: no i am not doing anything with the phone right now..still going through lots of forum threads Jul 12 07:14:10 Haraken: so go ahead, install wifi tether again, and try it Jul 12 07:14:22 reading this forum post here on updating spl and radio http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=532719&highlight=radio+update Jul 12 07:16:08 DREA100 PVT 32B, HBOOT-0.95.0000 CPLD-4 RADIO-1.22.12.29 Jul 12 07:16:10 interesting Jul 12 07:16:44 Haraken: have you read this? http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/wiki/ADP15KernelUpdate Jul 12 07:16:45 how do i reboot from fastboot Jul 12 07:17:11 wonder if this is what we need..because apparently the new kernel on cupcake doesn't support netfilter/iptables Jul 12 07:17:39 Haraken: if you ahve fastboot, connect usb cord, press back on the phone like twice, until it says fastboot Jul 12 07:17:51 and then run fastboot reboot [if you're on linux] Jul 12 07:17:57 that's as root Jul 12 07:18:10 Haraken: otherwise just remove the battery Jul 12 07:18:36 taking the easy way out Jul 12 07:18:38 heh Jul 12 07:18:46 well guess that's why our stuff doesn't work Jul 12 07:19:40 maemo is going qt Jul 12 07:19:45 so is symbian Jul 12 07:19:52 damnit :) makes me want to go back to an nxx Jul 12 07:19:56 n99? Jul 12 07:19:57 heh Jul 12 07:20:24 sure wish nokia phones supported tmob 3G :-\ .. well.. the n9x series at least Jul 12 07:20:28 i miss my n95 Jul 12 07:23:52 prodigy, read a few posts and it sounds like our roms already include the patch they are talking about Jul 12 07:26:36 Haraken: yeah I noticed that in one of the replies on that page Jul 12 07:27:26 does nandroid backup and restore spl? Jul 12 07:28:03 no Jul 12 07:28:16 doesn't touch radio either then? Jul 12 07:28:26 nope Jul 12 07:28:34 cool thanks :) Jul 12 07:29:12 can anyone confirm that these directions are good to use for updating radio and spl? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=532719&highlight=radio+update Jul 12 07:29:39 they seem to be pretty detailed and others have posted saying that it is an excellent guide Jul 12 07:53:14 prodigy, omg I think i just got it to work! Jul 12 07:55:12 is the new jachero usable yet? :) using cm atm Jul 12 07:55:54 prodigy, confirmed working on my windows computer. problem was that I forgot I had set static ip on adapter. Jul 12 07:56:11 prodigy, my laptop was running linux so that was probably a configuration problem there too Jul 12 07:57:07 end result is that it is only good for desperate situations :) Jul 12 07:57:15 well actually 3g isn't so bad Jul 12 07:57:24 had to move my phone to the living room to pick up 3g though Jul 12 07:58:02 <333333333333333 Jul 12 07:58:35 ok switching back to regular internet now :) Jul 12 08:00:42 back Jul 12 08:03:10 Haraken: hm Jul 12 08:03:20 Haraken: so you were able to tether? Jul 12 08:03:25 Haraken: which baseband version? Jul 12 08:03:45 same one i posted earlier Jul 12 08:03:52 problem was my client computers all along Jul 12 08:03:59 working on fixing my laptop now Jul 12 08:04:21 Haraken: hm...really huh? cuz I've been trying to use linux systems to connect to it too...no success..haven't tried it with windows one yet.. Jul 12 08:04:47 prodigy, try with windows, be sure wireless adapter is set to dhcp for dns and ip Jul 12 08:04:53 i bet you'll shit a brick when it works Jul 12 08:05:03 (which is better than bricking your phone) Jul 12 08:05:24 hi all Jul 12 08:05:30 hey facelessloser Jul 12 08:05:47 why do you use that nickname? :) Jul 12 08:06:07 not sure, its just something i made up, got no real meaning to it Jul 12 08:06:18 why do you use your nickname? Jul 12 08:07:42 because I stole it from an anime Jul 12 08:07:43 :) Jul 12 08:08:03 what does baseband have to do with anything? Jul 12 08:08:13 Haraken: hm, you've been having this bandbase version all along? or did you just "revert" it back to that one you just posted earlier... Jul 12 08:08:24 prodigy, never touched it ever Jul 12 08:08:39 tmzt, someone was saying something about it in here the other day Jul 12 08:08:54 what they call radio? Jul 12 08:09:16 hah, but this more of a kernel issue Jul 12 08:10:20 no clue :) Jul 12 08:11:48 prodigy, do you use network manager to connect to your wireless networks? Jul 12 08:12:02 what seams to be the problem here Jul 12 08:12:48 trying to connect to ad-hoc network using linux Jul 12 08:13:18 windows was able to do it no problem, but network manager just keeps crapping out on it Jul 12 08:15:05 can Cyanogen be used without apps2SD? Jul 12 08:16:22 twois10, yes Jul 12 08:16:58 can anyone whose test both Cyanogen and thedude's build give an opinion? Jul 12 08:17:08 i never tried thedude's sorry :) Jul 12 08:17:32 adhoc never seems to work in linux Jul 12 08:17:44 tmzt, i see Jul 12 08:18:01 at least with nm Jul 12 08:18:03 guess I'll have to get a bluetooth adapter Jul 12 08:18:07 I'm trying to set it manually Jul 12 08:18:09 but it depends on driver Jul 12 08:18:11 well Jul 12 08:18:11 it's giving errors though Jul 12 08:18:15 disable nm Jul 12 08:18:20 start dhcpd Jul 12 08:18:30 with ibss essid set correctly Jul 12 08:18:37 and mode adhoc Jul 12 08:18:43 sorry Jul 12 08:18:45 dhclient Jul 12 08:19:14 well iwconfig ath0 mode ad-hoc essid "G1Tether" gives me an error. seems the device doesn't want to go into that mode Jul 12 08:19:22 I'm gonna try disabling network manager on boot to see if that resolves anyhthing Jul 12 08:19:28 adhoc Jul 12 08:19:31 or Jul 12 08:19:36 which driver? Jul 12 08:19:41 ath5k? Jul 12 08:19:42 ath_pci Jul 12 08:19:47 maybe I should try ath5k? Jul 12 08:19:53 yeah Jul 12 08:19:57 try that Jul 12 08:20:05 what dsitro/version? Jul 12 08:20:11 Debian Lenny Jul 12 08:20:12 Haraken, i am using jf recovery, can i just do an upgrade to Cyanogen recovery? Jul 12 08:20:40 twois10, sure, just install cyanogen's recovery using the normal methods Jul 12 08:21:16 Haraken: lenny from when? Jul 12 08:21:21 what kernel? Jul 12 08:21:44 tmzt, oh one sec I'll let you know once it finishes booting Jul 12 08:23:13 2.6.26-2-686 Jul 12 08:23:23 I just did an apt-get upgrade recently so it should be up to date Jul 12 08:23:28 ok Jul 12 08:23:38 you have both drivers? Jul 12 08:23:53 yes, just removed ath_pci and loaded ath5k Jul 12 08:23:55 it might work better with ath-pci in master Jul 12 08:23:56 device changed to wlan0 Jul 12 08:24:26 are you doing manual tether? Jul 12 08:24:47 if so, just use client Jul 12 08:24:47 no I'm using wifi tether for root users Jul 12 08:25:06 adhoc isn't worth it Jul 12 08:25:19 but try with ath5k Jul 12 08:25:42 ath5k not working either. (can I connect to it with regular mode even though the phone is using adhoc?) Jul 12 08:25:51 ath5k doesn't even let me do a normal scan Jul 12 08:25:55 gonna put ath_pci back Jul 12 08:26:08 it's not that many steps though, it just automates it Jul 12 08:26:10 ? Jul 12 08:26:20 bring it up Jul 12 08:26:25 then scan Jul 12 08:26:41 yeah thats what i did Jul 12 08:26:57 ath_pci allows me to scan and such. gonna try using Master mode Jul 12 08:27:56 ok Jul 12 08:28:06 that should work Jul 12 08:28:13 seems the problem is, I can't change modes Jul 12 08:28:15 manual ip or dnsmasq Jul 12 08:28:22 won't do anything but managed Jul 12 08:28:23 well, manual Jul 12 08:28:35 using dnsmasq on the phone Jul 12 08:28:35 down it Jul 12 08:28:40 no Jul 12 08:28:43 on pc Jul 12 08:28:54 but that makes the rout harder Jul 12 08:29:00 route Jul 12 08:29:04 on the pc I'm doing everything manually Jul 12 08:34:09 apparently there is a special way for eeepc 701 to go into ad-hoc mopde Jul 12 08:34:12 I'm following a tutorial now Jul 12 08:34:33 hi, i've got a little problem with android on htc kaiser, i can't sign in with google, it says i don't have network connection, but i've established one via modem app, browser can get network connectivy, pinging in terminal is also working. what is wrong, that i cannot sign in to google? Jul 12 08:35:29 is there any way to manually register? enter my username/password in some *.xml file? Jul 12 08:36:56 holy crap Jul 12 08:36:57 it worked Jul 12 08:37:26 prodigy, this helped me get ad-hoc mode working with my atheros chipset, http://www.patrickmin.com/eee/tip.php?name=adhoc Jul 12 08:42:38 urban_: not sure Jul 12 08:42:58 sometimes android doesn't believe the network is up Jul 12 08:43:13 or it's crashing sliently Jul 12 08:43:22 silently Jul 12 08:49:37 Haraken: mine still doesn't want to work..g.rrrrr Jul 12 08:50:10 eeepc is different Jul 12 08:55:30 prodigy, even windows won't connect? Jul 12 08:59:11 Haraken, using Cynogen build now so far so good Jul 12 09:00:37 twois10, awesome :) Jul 12 09:01:56 awesome is the best tiling WM in the world \o/ Jul 12 09:03:34 lamusic: what is? Jul 12 09:03:45 awesome? Jul 12 09:03:51 tmzt: you don't know awesome oh Jul 12 09:03:52 like ratpoison? Jul 12 09:03:56 no Jul 12 09:03:58 Homepage: http://awesome.naquadah.org/ Jul 12 09:03:59 Description: A dynamic floating and tiling window manager Jul 12 09:04:11 keyboard driven? Jul 12 09:04:24 how is memory usage and small screen support? Jul 12 09:04:31 is not for android :) Jul 12 09:04:35 mémory usage Jul 12 09:04:38 0.1 % Jul 12 09:04:53 small screen, i don't know Jul 12 09:04:55 I know that Jul 12 09:05:03 don't mean android Jul 12 09:05:09 is the very best of for me Jul 12 09:05:11 Haraken: ok I just tried it again..and ODDDDLY...it works..(with windows) Jul 12 09:05:13 no is not for android :) Jul 12 09:05:23 Haraken: going to try it now with one of my linux machines Jul 12 09:05:26 working on drm support for msm, planning stages Jul 12 09:05:29 is for linux, freebsd and unix like system with X11 Jul 12 09:05:32 need a small wm to adapt Jul 12 09:05:41 oh Jul 12 09:05:43 yes Jul 12 09:05:50 i thinks awesome work for this Jul 12 09:05:57 cool Jul 12 09:06:17 if we ever get debian/gentoo working on the g1 Jul 12 09:06:19 is xcb based protocol Jul 12 09:06:22 fast !! Jul 12 09:06:23 good Jul 12 09:06:44 i use this, on my all work station Jul 12 09:06:47 no compositing I assume Jul 12 09:06:47 lappy, home, work. Jul 12 09:07:00 yes if you want transparency is possible Jul 12 09:07:02 for sure Jul 12 09:07:12 the config is programming in lua language Jul 12 09:07:17 argb visuals? Jul 12 09:07:19 ah Jul 12 09:07:22 right Jul 12 09:07:54 awesome is light, moderm, fast, stable, meta modular Jul 12 09:08:10 and workd with N screen for you work station ;) Jul 12 09:08:15 don't know lua Jul 12 09:08:19 s/workd/works/ Jul 12 09:08:23 is very easy Jul 12 09:08:35 any fullscreen window support? Jul 12 09:08:40 with configuration Jul 12 09:08:45 alt-tab flipping Jul 12 09:08:47 yes Jul 12 09:08:54 cool Jul 12 09:08:55 what you want, awesome make this ;) Jul 12 09:09:03 that's what I'm looking for Jul 12 09:09:15 definately xcb Jul 12 09:09:27 and composite extension Jul 12 09:10:08 funny, binder is a lot like gem :) Jul 12 09:10:42 and android only uses it for display and audio I think Jul 12 09:10:50 everything else is unix socket Jul 12 09:11:23 ok Jul 12 09:13:17 what have you been doing? Jul 12 09:13:29 it's been a while sine I saw you in here Jul 12 09:14:21 oh i make rom for android, Ion based original with my features, for Htc Magic Jul 12 09:14:31 build my kernel and other binary utility Jul 12 09:14:37 ah Jul 12 09:14:43 nice Jul 12 09:14:46 you have an htc magic ? Jul 12 09:15:40 http://users.rhaamo.li/~luo/luo_Ion_2.6.27_11.07.2009_ROTATE_SIGNED.zip Jul 12 09:15:45 http://users.rhaamo.li/~luo/luo_Ion_2.6.29_11.07.2009_ROTATE_SIGNED.zip Jul 12 09:15:53 i activate the rotate on Home screen Jul 12 09:16:00 I see Jul 12 09:16:03 with my rom Jul 12 09:16:12 and i have make a lot of modification Jul 12 09:16:16 for low battery :) Jul 12 09:16:32 nice Jul 12 09:16:45 what does Ion rom mean? 1.5 with modifications? Jul 12 09:17:06 yes, Ion is the google build optimised for Sapphire hardware Jul 12 09:17:21 work fine and fast vodafone rom Jul 12 09:17:35 ion is best of vodafone rom Jul 12 09:17:47 so for based the sapphire rom, for me is the best Jul 12 09:18:17 none of the Sense stuff? Jul 12 09:18:19 but it's only in english for time Jul 12 09:18:28 no :/ beurk Jul 12 09:18:40 for me hero, or sense or rosie is a ... Jul 12 09:18:44 what do you change in the kernel Jul 12 09:18:59 not important feature Jul 12 09:19:21 i have add netfilter support for Android, is used in modem Jul 12 09:19:26 i have add CRAMFS Jul 12 09:19:37 i have delete halibut hardware, ext3 Jul 12 09:19:46 in kernel hacking, DEBUG KERNEL, DEBUG FS Jul 12 09:20:02 delete halibut, why? Jul 12 09:20:10 not just in .config? Jul 12 09:20:22 what do you do with cramfs? Jul 12 09:20:27 because for sapphire, is not necessary Jul 12 09:20:36 neither is trout Jul 12 09:20:40 i make a cramfs image of xbin Jul 12 09:20:57 but I hope you don't mean in source Jul 12 09:21:03 with tcpdump, scp,ssh, strace .... busybox Jul 12 09:21:16 if disabled in .config it's not built Jul 12 09:21:28 my kernel build, and workd perfectly :) Jul 12 09:21:35 look at arch/arm/mach-msm/Makefile to see why Jul 12 09:22:05 debug kernel? Jul 12 09:22:11 what is this? Jul 12 09:22:30 and debugfs, nothing in there is used most of the time Jul 12 09:22:41 both of those can slow down the kernel Jul 12 09:23:01 board that aren't use are freed I think, in freeing init memory Jul 12 09:23:08 so you don't gain much Jul 12 09:23:27 héhé Jul 12 09:23:34 if anythinh Jul 12 09:23:35 no Jul 12 09:23:46 what do you mean? Jul 12 09:23:49 the performance, load kernel, battery is best without Jul 12 09:24:05 and is not used Jul 12 09:24:14 only if you have a dev kernel boy Jul 12 09:24:22 do you what __initdata means Jul 12 09:24:29 do you know what __initdata means Jul 12 09:24:40 what performance? Jul 12 09:25:05 kernel ... Jul 12 09:25:16 if it's populating the data strcutres for debugfs it's taking some memory and cpu time Jul 12 09:25:52 if you want to speed up boot make some drivers static and patch init to stop waiting for uevents, but that's not really a good idea either Jul 12 09:25:53 i'm not coding in kernel, but i'm use this for long time ago Jul 12 09:26:11 and i think my modification are good. Jul 12 09:26:21 well Jul 12 09:26:26 cramfs seems useful Jul 12 09:26:46 and you save a bit disabling ext3, it can always be forcemounted as ext2 Jul 12 09:27:04 yes Jul 12 09:27:10 but i'm not use app 2 sd Jul 12 09:27:12 so ... Jul 12 09:27:16 but I don't see any gains in the rest Jul 12 09:27:26 that's not a kernel issue Jul 12 09:27:26 ext2 is for using kernel in other roms Jul 12 09:27:33 ? Jul 12 09:27:37 nk02 use my kernel, fatality and other on XDA Jul 12 09:28:03 do you disable trout? Jul 12 09:28:08 no Jul 12 09:28:10 not build Jul 12 09:28:16 why not? Jul 12 09:28:17 for time Jul 12 09:28:21 because not BUILD Jul 12 09:28:29 say to the dev kernel :) Jul 12 09:28:32 build what? Jul 12 09:28:34 ask to the dev Jul 12 09:28:38 the kernel .. Jul 12 09:28:42 who, San? Jul 12 09:28:44 if disable troute Jul 12 09:28:50 not build Jul 12 09:29:01 if you only support sapp you can disable trout Jul 12 09:29:03 i don't know who ... Jul 12 09:29:18 oh Jul 12 09:29:21 NOT BUILD IF I DISABLE Jul 12 09:29:23 it won't build Jul 12 09:29:25 got it Jul 12 09:29:33 it's broken Jul 12 09:29:42 it's in dev :) Jul 12 09:29:51 I have asked San, he asked me about my schedule :) Jul 12 09:30:02 in 2.6.29 camera not working too Jul 12 09:30:04 didn't know it was broken though Jul 12 09:30:07 yes Jul 12 09:30:09 it's dev Jul 12 09:30:14 because it's binary Jul 12 09:30:16 and wifi? Jul 12 09:30:23 yes wifi and all works Jul 12 09:30:28 only camera in 2.6.29 Jul 12 09:30:28 what do you mean by "it's dev" Jul 12 09:30:30 oh Jul 12 09:30:32 good Jul 12 09:30:43 heum Jul 12 09:30:45 with which wifi driver? Jul 12 09:30:54 the 2.6.29 is the current tree kernel in git Jul 12 09:31:00 is in developpment Jul 12 09:31:04 yes Jul 12 09:31:09 ok Jul 12 09:31:19 with my 2.6.27 all works fine Jul 12 09:31:29 so at time, i go to Jul 12 09:31:29 right Jul 12 09:31:56 i 'll be back here monday, or other day Jul 12 09:31:59 I'm trying to get a cleaned up kernel, either 2.6.29 or from upstream patches Jul 12 09:32:17 and share htc stuff so no more broken trout/sapp disable Jul 12 09:32:32 okay Jul 12 09:32:35 for me this Jul 12 09:32:39 is not important for time Jul 12 09:32:46 for time i want camera in 2.6.29 Jul 12 09:32:48 ! Jul 12 09:32:51 i go Jul 12 09:32:52 & Jul 12 09:32:57 okay Jul 12 09:34:19 Howdy! Will I be able to replace my upcoming HTC Hero ROM for standart google ROM? Everyone wants to put new Hero ROM in their G1, I want G1 ROM in HTC Hero... Jul 12 09:36:09 htchero: possibly, if it's flashable Jul 12 09:36:22 can't you disable Sense though? Jul 12 09:36:33 dead pixels are black right lol? Jul 12 09:37:16 i seem to have a lil green dot on my screen present at all times lol Jul 12 09:38:27 that's probably hardware Jul 12 09:38:32 prodigy, what kind of card is your linux machine running? Jul 12 09:38:41 only on white ot green also Jul 12 09:38:52 tmzt: so it cant be a rom or spl or something? Jul 12 09:39:00 if you look closely when with a white screen Jul 12 09:39:08 probably not Jul 12 09:39:26 and not if you rebooted or removed battery Jul 12 09:39:42 hm i will try that and see Jul 12 09:39:50 But if I disable sense, I will still have a phone with HTC widgets, and I will loose the "google ROM" with google texts everywhere :D Jul 12 09:39:54 i didnt even buy the phone with a contract so i might be completely screwed Jul 12 09:39:57 go to a white screen and look very closely Jul 12 09:40:10 I wanna completely remove HTC UI sense ROM Jul 12 09:40:26 Haraken: Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI Jul 12 09:40:35 anywho, my phone now does more than any portable device I have ever owned. Jul 12 09:40:39 well, like I said, is it flashable? Jul 12 09:40:48 tmzt: dont see it lol Jul 12 09:40:50 I still don't know how they flash magic Jul 12 09:40:56 prodigy, what's the name of the module you have to load? Jul 12 09:40:58 so I can't really help Jul 12 09:41:04 h4: is it there? Jul 12 09:41:14 tmzt: a wild guess? Jul 12 09:41:15 k4 Jul 12 09:41:19 Do you think that if I flash that phone with standart ROM? everything will work properly? Camera, and other hardware? Jul 12 09:41:38 k4r1m: was what? Jul 12 09:41:46 htchero: no idea Jul 12 09:41:50 ok Jul 12 09:41:53 I would keep your kernel Jul 12 09:41:54 thanks, see ya Jul 12 09:41:58 no well you said you can't help me but im asking you for a wild guess lol Jul 12 09:41:59 Haraken: rt2x00pci Jul 12 09:42:04 what's the htc name, just hero? Jul 12 09:42:13 do we have kernel source yet? Jul 12 09:42:15 but its very clear that i dont see it on a white screen Jul 12 09:42:22 prodigy, try killing network manager, /etc/init.d/network-manager stop Jul 12 09:42:27 k4r1m: that wasn't to you Jul 12 09:42:36 I think that Hero ROM will be propietary no? Jul 12 09:42:45 Android is under BSD license I think Jul 12 09:42:50 prodigy, what is the name of your wifi device? ie, eth0? wlan0? Jul 12 09:43:02 Haraken: wlan0 Jul 12 09:43:30 iwconfig Jul 12 09:43:34 tmzt: oh lol Jul 12 09:43:37 prodigy, once you kill network-manager, try this, ifconfig wlan0 up; iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc essid "G1Tether" Jul 12 09:43:37 lshw Jul 12 09:43:46 k4r1m: do you see it? Jul 12 09:43:47 prodigy, let me know if that completes with out errors Jul 12 09:43:58 prodigy, this assumes that your essid is G1Tether btw ;) Jul 12 09:44:09 tmzt: on the white screen? no. Jul 12 09:44:20 k4r1m: look very closely Jul 12 09:44:30 until you see individual colors Jul 12 09:45:02 Haraken: mode: Unknown host Jul 12 09:45:04 see if the only color lit for that dot is green Jul 12 09:45:05 all i see is white, im looking very closesly my eyes are starting hurt Jul 12 09:45:16 i dont even see the green though Jul 12 09:45:26 prodigy, try iwconfig wlan0 mode adhoc Jul 12 09:45:38 you can only do one setting at a time Jul 12 09:45:42 yes Jul 12 09:45:45 Haraken: same Jul 12 09:45:50 k4r1m: then I don't know Jul 12 09:45:55 tmzt: let me try rebooting/changing the batter Jul 12 09:46:08 k4r1m: seems its gone Jul 12 09:46:17 so could be stuck pixel Jul 12 09:46:29 with mddi I'm not suprised Jul 12 09:46:47 in how it updates Jul 12 09:47:42 well when i close the white screen its back Jul 12 09:48:03 wow Jul 12 09:48:03 prodigy, well I'm not sure about your particular card since mine was madwifi. I Would go to your linux distro channel and ask them about connecting to a adhoc network. fortunately for me someone else with an eeepc 701 was also trying to connect to a g1tether and had almost step for step directions on how to get it working. Jul 12 09:48:14 then it was ther but dpi is too high Jul 12 09:48:16 ralink wouldn't work with the steps that I used, if you had atheros then it might. Jul 12 09:48:22 drop your backlight Jul 12 09:48:27 by the way, does anyone know a reliable way to fix the hidden SSID bug? Jul 12 09:48:29 get a magnifier or loupe Jul 12 09:48:40 the app, in the app store, doesn't work Jul 12 09:48:42 prodigy, what distro are you using Jul 12 09:48:52 IanPM: unload driver? Jul 12 09:48:57 what bug? Jul 12 09:48:57 Haraken: slackware Jul 12 09:49:04 tmzt: ima have to go out and buy that lol Jul 12 09:49:12 4 am :( Jul 12 09:49:23 k4r1m: what screen do you see it on? Jul 12 09:49:30 prodigy, ah Jul 12 09:49:34 what does it look like Jul 12 09:49:36 Haraken: :) Jul 12 09:49:44 tmzt: pretty much everything Jul 12 09:49:47 except white Jul 12 09:50:08 black? green? yellow? orange? red? Jul 12 09:50:25 if black you have the opposite problem Jul 12 09:50:28 oh yes Jul 12 09:50:30 you do Jul 12 09:50:43 yes, havnt tried, havnt tried, havnt tried, havn tried, and grey is yes Jul 12 09:51:04 okay, black? Jul 12 09:51:07 yes Jul 12 09:51:12 look closely at black Jul 12 09:51:20 wait a second Jul 12 09:51:23 see if it's one color Jul 12 09:51:32 of the pixel that's lit Jul 12 09:51:41 it turned red then went back to green Jul 12 09:51:51 just when rebooting at the logo screen Jul 12 09:51:55 very first logo Jul 12 09:51:56 it turned red? Jul 12 09:52:02 not orange? Jul 12 09:52:04 or Jul 12 09:52:08 cyan Jul 12 09:52:18 this makes no sense Jul 12 09:52:33 well i saw red but not a very dark red a light red color Jul 12 09:52:42 was too fast cuz it turned green right away Jul 12 09:52:44 [10:48:48] IanPM: unload driver? Jul 12 09:52:44 [10:48:48] what bug? Jul 12 09:53:04 when you add a hidden wifi network, Android won't rejoin it Jul 12 09:53:08 even when it's in range Jul 12 09:53:17 okay Jul 12 09:53:25 tmzt: but yeah on black its only 1 pixel that green there is nothing else Jul 12 09:53:28 you can fix it on a rooted phone, but mine isn't rooted Jul 12 09:53:33 IanPM: yeah, it can't find it Jul 12 09:53:41 there is an app in the store Jul 12 09:53:44 how do you fix it? Jul 12 09:53:53 there's like a script or something Jul 12 09:53:54 wow, an app for everything Jul 12 09:54:04 Hidden SSID enabler Jul 12 09:54:06 Haraken: works now Jul 12 09:54:25 http://www.cyrket.com/package/jp.sourceforge.soopy.hidden.ssid.enabler Jul 12 09:54:26 whats this hidden ssid for? Jul 12 09:54:32 k4r1m: it can't have been red Jul 12 09:54:47 well, my network is concealed, to stop anyone trying to find it, and join the network Jul 12 09:54:53 so there's probably source Jul 12 09:54:56 on sf.jp Jul 12 09:55:07 use wpa2-psk Jul 12 09:55:13 tmzt: flashing a different rom, i could almost swear i havnt seen it before except when i flashed this rom Jul 12 09:55:15 beaconing means nothing Jul 12 09:55:28 http://en.androidwiki.com/wiki/Enabling_Hidden_SSID_Hack Jul 12 09:55:41 perhaps I should try that, but I don't know how to make an APK Jul 12 09:55:48 can you give me the line/method Jul 12 09:56:08 if it's not root it won't help Jul 12 09:56:20 would an app like that need root? Jul 12 09:56:29 I think it has to be installed Jul 12 09:56:31 well Jul 12 09:56:39 they could be using an android api Jul 12 09:56:43 my wifi is WPA2-PSK, I think Jul 12 09:56:52 then make it unhidden Jul 12 09:57:06 what do you gain from that? Jul 12 09:57:14 is there always a machine connected? Jul 12 09:57:15 well, I could do that Jul 12 09:57:22 Good morning........ ANDROIDS. Jul 12 09:57:23 do you go away for months? Jul 12 09:57:30 but I live in a block of flats, and I'd rather not have people trying to join the network Jul 12 09:57:56 Dude.... guarding your WiFi by encryption is the wrong way to do it Jul 12 09:58:02 tmzt: ok it was red but it didnt change... it red when you look at it from a certian angle and i dont know why lmao Jul 12 09:58:05 The *right* way to do it is to use a linux box as a gateway Jul 12 09:58:10 I also use machine registration :p Jul 12 09:58:13 very light red Jul 12 09:58:13 And setup a rewrite rule for all traffic that goes through Jul 12 09:58:16 anytime one of your computers uses the network it broadcasts it's mac, the routers mac, the essid/ssid usually Jul 12 09:58:25 If it's not an authorized MAC address, all images become goatse. Jul 12 09:58:26 turn on kismet for a minute Jul 12 09:58:37 hehe EugeneK :D Jul 12 09:58:45 seen that app before, goatse Jul 12 09:58:48 and use your network Jul 12 09:58:59 link=ban Jul 12 09:59:07 not my rule Jul 12 09:59:39 anyway, that's only useful for rewriting in mid flight Jul 12 09:59:45 which is just evil Jul 12 09:59:50 If you don't know what it is, googling it should teach you a valuable lesson about the internet Jul 12 09:59:57 "Don't Google everything you see" Jul 12 10:00:15 which leads to don't leanr anything Jul 12 10:00:27 clicking is dangerous Jul 12 10:00:30 bad things Jul 12 10:00:32 etc. Jul 12 10:00:33 tmzt: does that change anything lol? Jul 12 10:00:51 k4r1m: it's either hardware or it's not Jul 12 10:01:06 how do i find out? Jul 12 10:01:08 the color can't change Jul 12 10:01:31 no it doesnt change Jul 12 10:01:33 only the color pixel can be on or off and different intesities Jul 12 10:01:46 its just one color when you like it from the side and another color when u look at it straight Jul 12 10:02:00 oh Jul 12 10:02:08 bad tft then likely Jul 12 10:02:14 bad crystal Jul 12 10:02:22 so hardware? Jul 12 10:02:23 huh Jul 12 10:02:27 well Jul 12 10:02:33 make the screen black Jul 12 10:02:36 look at it Jul 12 10:02:50 see if it's solid green from straight ahead Jul 12 10:03:05 no, I think that's normal for TN displays Jul 12 10:03:16 yeah its solid green Jul 12 10:03:22 to have different colors from different angles Jul 12 10:03:35 now change colors and keep looking directly at it Jul 12 10:03:36 if i look at it from the right its red Jul 12 10:03:42 the left is still green Jul 12 10:04:01 and only one color is lit on the black screen? Jul 12 10:04:11 one tiny dot Jul 12 10:04:20 yup Jul 12 10:04:27 very very tiny Jul 12 10:04:37 it's too small Jul 12 10:04:41 you need a lens Jul 12 10:04:57 I just looked at my touch pro Jul 12 10:05:04 you would never see it Jul 12 10:05:13 wat u mean? Jul 12 10:05:31 the individual color element Jul 12 10:05:37 oh well i see it Jul 12 10:05:49 on a normal tft you will see the bgr layout Jul 12 10:05:57 if there was a way to take a screeny of it... tried taking a pic with my camera with macro on but cant see shit Jul 12 10:06:02 but these are higher dpi Jul 12 10:06:30 ok if it was non hardware what would be the solution? Jul 12 10:06:36 uh, that would be logical Jul 12 10:06:40 i just wanna know my options Jul 12 10:06:47 it would go away under some condition Jul 12 10:06:51 ignore it Jul 12 10:06:57 is an option Jul 12 10:07:17 a screenshot would be normal if it's hardware Jul 12 10:07:39 no the screenshot is not normal Jul 12 10:07:44 oh? Jul 12 10:07:48 just tried it with that screenshot app Jul 12 10:07:52 interestinh Jul 12 10:07:59 open it in paint Jul 12 10:08:10 or something, zoom to 400%+ Jul 12 10:08:19 i dont even know how to copy it, the stupid app doesnt it save it to my gallery Jul 12 10:08:20 prodigy, what did you have to do? Jul 12 10:08:38 but it shows up there? Jul 12 10:08:43 and you rebooted? Jul 12 10:08:56 tried even the battery Jul 12 10:09:02 let me take it again to make sure Jul 12 10:09:17 could be me being sleepy lol Jul 12 10:09:19 in the same place? Jul 12 10:09:28 can't believe this Jul 12 10:09:47 screenshot app grabs it from the framebuffer Jul 12 10:09:53 or surface Jul 12 10:09:55 not sure Jul 12 10:10:09 if this is an artifact it should be random Jul 12 10:10:37 hold on, it's gl, so this must be GlGetPixels at some point Jul 12 10:10:47 oh no its actually not in the pic its just over the pic since the app has a black background... my bad Jul 12 10:10:48 even still Jul 12 10:10:54 hah Jul 12 10:11:03 it tricked me lol Jul 12 10:11:12 yeah, you had me Jul 12 10:11:19 but I'm tired as well Jul 12 10:11:27 of course Jul 12 10:11:35 so it could be hardware still? Jul 12 10:11:43 yes Jul 12 10:11:48 almost certainly Jul 12 10:11:58 dam man i only had the phone for 3 weeks Jul 12 10:12:03 do you have a glass glass Jul 12 10:12:09 like a shot glass? Jul 12 10:12:15 nope Jul 12 10:12:21 nothing Jul 12 10:12:38 hvga is lower than tp Jul 12 10:12:41 but still Jul 12 10:12:54 i might have a magnifing scope but famz are sleeping so i cant go looking for it Jul 12 10:13:04 you should see a single color on black Jul 12 10:13:12 that would be a stuck pixel Jul 12 10:13:27 either tapping it helps or it's pretty much permenant Jul 12 10:13:45 as i said i see green from straight ahead / top / left / bottom and i see red from right Jul 12 10:14:00 solid red? Jul 12 10:14:14 can you get a picture with green bars? Jul 12 10:14:22 every other pixel? Jul 12 10:14:31 just plain green? Jul 12 10:14:41 must be png, not jpg Jul 12 10:14:45 lines Jul 12 10:14:51 one pixel wide Jul 12 10:14:57 every other pixel Jul 12 10:15:01 hm where do i find such thing lol Jul 12 10:15:04 green and black lines Jul 12 10:15:11 i dont evne have photoshop to make such thing right now Jul 12 10:15:12 not sure Jul 12 10:15:17 anyone wanna volunteer ? Jul 12 10:15:22 what do you have? Jul 12 10:15:29 nothing lol Jul 12 10:15:49 fresh vista install... barely got any apps on this machine Jul 12 10:15:56 search for bgr test patterns Jul 12 10:16:02 paint? Jul 12 10:16:05 yup Jul 12 10:16:11 use that Jul 12 10:16:21 draw one set and copy drag it Jul 12 10:16:34 do it in high soom Jul 12 10:16:39 zoom Jul 12 10:16:50 set attributes to 480x320 Jul 12 10:16:58 i honestly dont understand what u want me to draw Jul 12 10:17:00 lines? Jul 12 10:17:08 you need to know if layout is portrait or landscape Jul 12 10:17:09 yes Jul 12 10:17:20 in solid green (0,255,0) Jul 12 10:17:49 it should be portrait so bgr is probably landscape Jul 12 10:17:55 ok i set the att to 480x320... my home has no landscape support Jul 12 10:18:04 okay Jul 12 10:18:09 that will work Jul 12 10:18:19 we don't need to worry about layout Jul 12 10:18:26 this isn't subpixel Jul 12 10:18:32 ok now just green lines everywhere or what? Jul 12 10:18:33 go to 400% zoom Jul 12 10:18:40 every other line Jul 12 10:18:47 alternate green and black Jul 12 10:18:54 go to 400% zoom Jul 12 10:18:59 im at 400 Jul 12 10:19:03 you must see the invidual pixels Jul 12 10:19:05 okay Jul 12 10:19:16 so draw a line or draw paintbrush Jul 12 10:19:25 800 Jul 12 10:19:26 do 8 lines, then copy and paste Jul 12 10:19:28 now i see them Jul 12 10:19:38 8 32 64 128 etc. Jul 12 10:19:46 Haraken: wicd confused the card, so after removing module, and restarting the module, I was able to actually talk to the card (earlier it kept saying device was busy or something), then it was as easy as ifconfig wlan0 down; iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc; iwconfig wlan0 channel auto; iwconfig wlan0 essid "prod1gy"; ifconfig wlan0 up; dhcpcd wlan0 (I do not set up Wifi Tether with a password/encryption because I know if I'm going Jul 12 10:21:43 so line green line black Jul 12 10:21:55 yes Jul 12 10:21:56 and fille the whole thing? Jul 12 10:21:59 yes Jul 12 10:22:33 sorry, I'm tired Jul 12 10:22:41 stuck pixel Jul 12 10:22:42 stuck pixel Jul 12 10:22:43 stuck pixel Jul 12 10:22:44 its all good if u gotta leave Jul 12 10:22:57 no, that's not it Jul 12 10:23:24 do magenta Jul 12 10:23:51 do what lol? Jul 12 10:23:53 magnet? Jul 12 10:24:03 if the painter was still there (I love 3.1 pbrush) Jul 12 10:24:08 magenta Jul 12 10:24:10 pink Jul 12 10:24:15 t-mobile color Jul 12 10:24:22 im so lost not Jul 12 10:24:26 now* Jul 12 10:24:36 just let me finish the green n black lines Jul 12 10:24:36 well Jul 12 10:24:55 each pixel is made up of three colors Jul 12 10:25:05 rgb i know Jul 12 10:25:12 no Jul 12 10:25:14 bgr Jul 12 10:25:21 in tfts Jul 12 10:25:25 usually Jul 12 10:26:01 prodigy, your sentence was cut off after "I know if I'm going" Jul 12 10:26:01 fine, rgb, magenta is (255,0,255) Jul 12 10:26:19 prodigy, anyway that's cool you got it working. I wish mine was that simple, it's a pain having to use wlanconfig but at least it works! :) Jul 12 10:26:23 where do u want me to draw the magenta? Jul 12 10:26:40 since it's a stuck pixel the green dot will be white instead of magent Jul 12 10:26:46 lets make this easy Jul 12 10:26:52 the green lines done? Jul 12 10:27:00 im on the third line Jul 12 10:27:06 oh Jul 12 10:27:08 prodigy, time to have drink to celebrate our conquering stupid mistakes :) Jul 12 10:27:10 do one more Jul 12 10:27:13 still trying to draw 8 lines Jul 12 10:27:30 no, four green, four black Jul 12 10:27:41 one pixel at a time? Jul 12 10:27:44 prodigy, this is almost worse than forgetting to plug the power cable in, and diagnosing everything except that. Jul 12 10:27:45 just click drag Jul 12 10:27:52 doesnt it need to be an odd number Jul 12 10:28:04 if i start/end with black then i cant copy it Jul 12 10:28:25 what is your fill color? white I assume Jul 12 10:28:31 why? Jul 12 10:28:54 do you have black as your second color (swatch)? Jul 12 10:29:05 no i have white Jul 12 10:29:19 ok Jul 12 10:29:21 good Jul 12 10:29:27 and white fill? Jul 12 10:29:35 i think yeah Jul 12 10:29:39 do four green four black Jul 12 10:29:43 still drawing lawl i feel like a kid Jul 12 10:29:44 return to 100% Jul 12 10:29:47 select Jul 12 10:29:58 ctrl drag Jul 12 10:30:05 make sure they line up Jul 12 10:30:52 sec last green Jul 12 10:31:02 okay Jul 12 10:31:02 k i got four green and four blakc lines Jul 12 10:31:04 Haraken: rofl you tell me about it :) Jul 12 10:31:06 now back to 100? Jul 12 10:31:12 yes Jul 12 10:31:23 but make them magenta with fill tool Jul 12 10:31:25 prodigy, ok I'm ready for the next bad ass thing to do with my phone. am I missing anyhthing? Jul 12 10:31:32 before you have 240 lines Jul 12 10:31:49 i cant seem to be able to change the fill color for some reason Jul 12 10:31:54 stuckk at white Jul 12 10:31:59 Haraken: anyways, it's late and I'm too happy but I gotta go back to work in 4 hours...it's time for a nap...tomorrow is soccer night for me too right after work, so I gotta be fit for that Jul 12 10:32:00 so magenta and black for stuck green pixel Jul 12 10:32:07 fill is foreground Jul 12 10:32:10 the flood tool Jul 12 10:32:10 heh nice Jul 12 10:32:12 Haraken: yeah VNC Jul 12 10:32:12 gnite :) Jul 12 10:32:13 paintcan Jul 12 10:32:18 prodigy, xD Jul 12 10:32:25 Haraken: already got that set up though right? Jul 12 10:32:35 what flood tool lol? Jul 12 10:32:37 nope, not a huge fan of vnc to begin with Jul 12 10:32:42 I prefer nx on linux machines Jul 12 10:32:59 Haraken: me neither, i usually use ssh to connect to my system and do various systems (connectbot) Jul 12 10:33:16 tmzt: kinda of lost Jul 12 10:33:22 yep Jul 12 10:33:25 Haraken: but it's nice to be able to show off to friends, showing 'em that you can control your system as if you were sitting rigth in front of it while at work Jul 12 10:33:47 yeah that's true Jul 12 10:34:11 this phone has blown me away dunno what else to say Jul 12 10:34:53 Haraken: same here...I wanna get me a class 6 microsdhc card though and a pig battery (2600mah) Jul 12 10:34:58 then I'll be equipped Jul 12 10:35:00 oh man Jul 12 10:35:06 battery I'm considering Jul 12 10:35:09 tmzt: u there? Jul 12 10:35:09 I already got a class 6 microsd Jul 12 10:35:10 hc Jul 12 10:35:19 mine is a class 4 at the moment Jul 12 10:35:19 just dunno if i could deal with the bulg Jul 12 10:35:25 so i know my apps could be even faster :D Jul 12 10:35:39 eventhough it's quite FAST already..a nice little boost wouldn't hurt Jul 12 10:36:05 sorry, haven't use paint in years Jul 12 10:36:09 Haraken: just think about how you restrict yourself really with the mundane battery Jul 12 10:36:17 xD Jul 12 10:36:19 k4r1m: yeah Jul 12 10:36:36 look at your tools Jul 12 10:36:38 prodigy, current battery is 1150mAh, maybe upgrading to 1700 would be ok? Jul 12 10:36:42 see a paintcan? Jul 12 10:36:48 tmzt: yeah Jul 12 10:36:59 I need you to find pink at the bottom of the screen Jul 12 10:37:08 my brightness is at 20-30%, wifi is never on unless i really do "download" a lot of stuff, gps is off and i never really use it, I watch a movie during my lunch break and battery is down to 40%...i have many many reasons to have that extra juice in a battery Jul 12 10:37:08 double click it Jul 12 10:37:39 bottom of the screen? i dont see pink... i dont see anything at the bottom of the screen Jul 12 10:37:44 Haraken, upgrading to a 2400mah battery is sweeeet - i have two now :) Jul 12 10:37:48 see if it is 255, 0, 255 Jul 12 10:37:52 the pallate Jul 12 10:38:01 pallet Jul 12 10:38:06 ohgood, doesn't that make it bigger? the 1700 will keep it the same size Jul 12 10:38:09 well i have added a custom 255, 0, 255 Jul 12 10:38:11 ohgood: two huh? ROFL...talk about equipped for a week vacation trip! haha Jul 12 10:38:14 no Jul 12 10:38:18 that won't work Jul 12 10:38:23 you must have it Jul 12 10:38:34 Haraken: but a 1700 is not going to make a big difference..2600 is where it's at Jul 12 10:38:34 not if it's indexed Jul 12 10:38:39 png it should Jul 12 10:38:41 okay Jul 12 10:38:49 found it Jul 12 10:38:53 fill those lines with magenta Jul 12 10:38:53 Haraken, yes, it's almost twice the thicknesswith the new back cover. i figure it's more protection for the phone, andkinda like the clunkiness Jul 12 10:39:00 which lines? Jul 12 10:39:08 the green ones Jul 12 10:39:14 this is for dead pixel Jul 12 10:39:17 Haraken, browsing/mp3's/whatever all-day-long without running low is really really nice though Jul 12 10:39:21 not stuck pixel Jul 12 10:39:24 what was the point of making them green then? Jul 12 10:39:33 I was wrong Jul 12 10:39:37 oh ok Jul 12 10:39:53 k now since i have only 8 lines Jul 12 10:39:55 ohgood, main reason I'd want the battery is if I needed extended time using wifi tether Jul 12 10:40:01 this way you get white if the pixel is stuck Jul 12 10:40:06 cut and paste Jul 12 10:40:06 the 2600mAh battery that is Jul 12 10:40:16 once you paste four Jul 12 10:40:17 k let me copy n paste the lines everywhere Jul 12 10:40:21 copy again Jul 12 10:40:33 Haraken, i don't even have root anymore. i didn't have a use really, and don't tether. Jul 12 10:40:34 once you have 32 copy again Jul 12 10:40:53 ohgood, why don't you have root anymore? Jul 12 10:41:17 no root?! Jul 12 10:41:20 Haraken, just don't need it. i'm not a developer, and besides tethering, i don't need su privilages Jul 12 10:41:21 * prodigy slaps ohgood Jul 12 10:41:40 i know, i know Jul 12 10:41:54 ohgood, I see Jul 12 10:42:47 anyways, i'm dead tired Jul 12 10:42:51 it's really time for my bed now Jul 12 10:42:57 gnite again :P Jul 12 10:42:59 good night Jul 12 10:44:18 anyone here have a 1600-1700mAh battery? if so where did you buy it Jul 12 10:44:35 tmzt: my eyes! Jul 12 10:44:39 k save it as what? Jul 12 10:46:06 tmzt: ? Jul 12 10:46:09 Haraken, ebay has them cheap, but you have to wait 2 weeks for the ship from hongkong :} Jul 12 10:46:23 ahh Jul 12 10:49:16 i think tmzt just passed out Jul 12 10:53:07 anyone else in here could help me with this pixel issue/ Jul 12 10:53:31 i think im good on battery life at the moment Jul 12 10:53:54 if i I need to use it for anything super intensive I always have an outlet at hand Jul 12 10:57:19 evening everyone Jul 12 11:01:32 ohayou jellyware :P Jul 12 11:06:28 tmzt: ! Jul 12 11:28:59 Any news about the terms and conditions yet ? I want to know if my country is eligible for ADC or not ! Jul 12 11:30:12 nearly 2 weeks late now Jul 12 11:31:01 I assume the submission dates will be delayed as well ? Jul 12 11:32:36 you would hope so... Jul 12 11:36:25 nyt, what was new in your latest update of android irc Jul 12 11:42:55 * twois10 wakes up GenericNode Jul 12 11:43:12 mmm...i just got up, actaully Jul 12 11:43:16 but thanks Jul 12 11:43:18 i am confused: how can i tell if an app is running in the background? and how can i kill an app? Jul 12 11:43:47 GenericNode: am using cyanogen's build now with hero theme Jul 12 11:44:06 neat Jul 12 11:44:13 very stable Jul 12 11:44:28 i still sit smugley from my Ion Jul 12 11:44:31 ;-) Jul 12 11:44:39 i am confused: how can i tell if an app is running in the background? and how can i kill an app? Jul 12 11:44:55 audio is more clear and sharper Jul 12 11:44:59 repeating your question isn't the best way to go Jul 12 11:45:24 GenericNode: sry, that was not on purpose. thought i had a network lag Jul 12 11:45:29 elementz: andvance task manager Jul 12 11:45:41 $1.99 Jul 12 11:45:49 ? Jul 12 11:45:55 anything free out there? Jul 12 11:46:23 nothing compares Jul 12 11:46:28 k Jul 12 11:48:40 the hero player is really nice Jul 12 11:53:30 hello Jul 12 11:54:27 anybody in here using the samsung galaxy Jul 12 11:54:29 ? Jul 12 12:11:55 anybody here tried the snake sample? Jul 12 12:13:31 is it a common bug that the menu button does not always work on android? or should i worry that i have a buggy device? sometimes i need to restart, to get the menu button working again Jul 12 12:13:58 that's not common at all, no Jul 12 12:14:09 damn Jul 12 12:14:12 and why do you think you know when to kill an app? Jul 12 12:14:45 the system knows how to manage memory better than you do Jul 12 12:15:22 why should it be a buggy device if it works again after restarting, elementz ? Jul 12 12:15:24 Leeds: well, i was not just sure, it some apps are running in the bg, while not beeing indicated as so Jul 12 12:15:29 sonds more like a software problem Jul 12 12:15:57 ^ thats really strange, since its a brand new almost virgin device Jul 12 12:16:40 things which actually have a need to run in the background will do so... but when an app finishes, it is left in the background until either it's run again, or the system actually needs to reclaim the memory Jul 12 12:16:44 new doesn't mean the device can't have a faulty connection or some other manufacturing defect. That's what warrantys are for Jul 12 12:16:57 Leeds: good to nkow Jul 12 12:17:02 know Jul 12 12:17:21 If you menu button doesn't always work, use your warranty and have your device replaced Jul 12 12:17:24 *your Jul 12 12:17:42 ^guess ill have to get it replaced. how annoying. Jul 12 12:17:57 for me it was no hassle Jul 12 12:18:40 if you purchased it within the last 14 days, you can return it to the place of purchase for an actual *new* model/box..etc but from my experience, it's not necessary Jul 12 12:18:47 +c Jul 12 12:19:01 assuming you're in the US Jul 12 12:19:03 :/ Jul 12 12:19:09 germany Jul 12 12:19:14 Ahh, then I can't say Jul 12 12:19:16 but that'll be the same here Jul 12 12:19:23 noted Jul 12 12:19:34 elementz: so do you actually have a galaxy then? Jul 12 12:19:44 yes Jul 12 12:19:58 I think you're probably the first person here who does... what do you think of it? Jul 12 12:20:00 and now, after restart, menu button does still not work Jul 12 12:20:10 apart from the menu button :) Jul 12 12:20:18 hmm. well i switched from htc hermes. Jul 12 12:20:46 so first of all, i am still in the process of getting used to the android os. just got the phone yesterday Jul 12 12:21:04 the display is really nice. bright and clear. Jul 12 12:21:27 cool Jul 12 12:21:34 would you mind doing me/us a favour? Jul 12 12:21:48 Leeds: shoot Jul 12 12:22:28 could you load the settings application, then go to the storage panel - I guess it's running in German, so I can't tell you the exact title - and tell us what it says for internal and external storage? Jul 12 12:24:03 internal sd: 6716mb Jul 12 12:24:16 external is my own 1gb sd Jul 12 12:24:37 so it says 6716 for the internal storage? Jul 12 12:25:17 oh, no internal sd is 6716, internal memory is 855mb Jul 12 12:25:33 someone here with JACHero 2.63? very often he have to reload the home screens...and that takes a long time, that sucks :-/ Jul 12 12:25:42 oh, there's internal SD, external SD, and internal memory? very very interesting, thanks Jul 12 12:25:49 np Jul 12 12:26:25 I had been wondering how the 8GB storage would be treated, as internal or external - but I guess it's been split Jul 12 12:26:38 yeah looks like it Jul 12 12:27:41 anyway, regarding your menu key... does it 'stick' just when waking the phone up, or also when it's running? Jul 12 12:28:33 Leeds: if you mean by stick 'not responding' - no it does not respond at all anymore Jul 12 12:28:49 that does sound like a hardware fault then Jul 12 12:29:03 yeah, i guess it is. Jul 12 12:30:16 it's a pity - and I hope it's a rare case... if the build quality isn't good on the galaxy, it'll do a lot of damage to Android - it's got quite a lot to prove as the first non-HTC Android phone Jul 12 12:30:30 I'm trying to run the snake sample... and eclipse can't resolve the R in the following line: "setContentView(R.layout.snake_layout);" Jul 12 12:30:34 what could be wrong Jul 12 12:31:31 any good and simple tool ou tthere to convert a an existing avi file to a Adroid compliant vid? Jul 12 12:31:36 Leeds: yeah, i did not hear too many good things about samsung at all. i would have preferred to wait for another android based device eg by sony Jul 12 12:31:51 but my htc just died Jul 12 12:31:53 chrome_: I use the command-line stuff, not eclipse, and for me R is generated at compile-time... so if eclipse is trying to resolve it without generating it, that could be the problem Jul 12 12:32:01 Andomic: handbrake Jul 12 12:33:59 hummm Jul 12 12:34:16 you mean R.class is generated? Jul 12 12:34:37 and you import the class android.R right Jul 12 12:34:57 which it is not imported Jul 12 12:35:12 android.R and R are not the same thing Jul 12 12:35:35 I get that now Jul 12 12:35:37 android.R is the build-in system resources, things like standard menu icons... R is your own resources Jul 12 12:35:53 ok Jul 12 12:36:11 I see Jul 12 12:37:19 i'm looking for a real fast build....not special in booting but in handling desktops etc. what can you suggest? Jul 12 12:38:43 markuman: try the shit-off-a-shovel build Jul 12 12:41:20 plugin problem, it's working now :P Jul 12 12:44:05 oh god, the emulator is so slow Jul 12 12:44:37 it's reasonable on my machine... are you running it on a 486 or something? Jul 12 12:45:19 2.0 Ghz, 1Gb RAM Jul 12 12:47:24 see. it's the ram that does it! get more! Jul 12 12:47:51 although ddr2 is a little pricey nowadays since nobody uses it Jul 12 12:47:58 hi all Jul 12 12:48:06 or am i thinking ddr Jul 12 12:48:24 yeah, everybody is playing guitar band instead Jul 12 12:48:27 i know getting my 8G for my socket 940 board a year ago hurt in the heart since it needed ecc Jul 12 12:49:17 What is the best practice to do that: an app with main view with 2 buttons, the buttons redirect to differents app's parts. I have to make 3 activity and 1 view by activity OR 1 activity and 3 views ? Jul 12 12:49:19 well after about 4.5 days.. the withdrawal symptons seem to be going away Jul 12 12:49:27 Macer: yes you right, I'm seeing that the RAM is overloaded.. The eclipse consumes a lot Jul 12 12:50:35 now i have the endless coughing and chest pain followed by restlessness Jul 12 12:50:46 and in about 10-15 years.. i shoudl be ok :) Jul 12 12:51:13 roob: it depends on what the different parts are, how connected or separate they are Jul 12 12:51:49 they are separate and not connected Jul 12 12:52:41 then they should probably be different activities, I guess Jul 12 12:53:08 Leeds : thanks :) Jul 12 12:53:47 roob: I think the idea is, for example, if it's different views of the same data, maybe it should be one activity, but if it's different data it should be different activities Jul 12 12:54:50 Leeds Ok :) thanks for your help Jul 12 12:54:55 np Jul 12 14:26:05 Regarding OpenGL on the Dream, does the MSM7201A SoC have a PowerVR core or something? Jul 12 14:29:54 anyone here? Jul 12 14:30:02 no Jul 12 14:30:17 awesome! Jul 12 14:30:37 how watch 'how i met your mother' series? Jul 12 14:30:39 there are over 400 people here! Jul 12 14:31:02 Aadmin: you turn on your TV which is subscribed to a channel showing it Jul 12 14:31:34 or who watch 'Chuck' series? Jul 12 14:31:51 what i meant was not 'how' bt 'who' Jul 12 14:32:04 ive seen cuck Aadmin Jul 12 14:32:07 *chuck Jul 12 14:32:12 hahaha Jul 12 14:32:13 cuck Jul 12 14:32:32 this chat is hosted by who? Jul 12 14:32:43 Freenode Jul 12 14:33:28 & how many chat groups/ categories are there? Jul 12 14:33:54 a lot. Try using #freenode for these sorts of questions. Jul 12 14:35:45 hi Jul 12 14:42:53 Hi guys. Just about to 'root' my magic/sapphire; just wondering if it's easy to 'put back' for warrenty claims? Jul 12 14:43:56 ComradeHaz: I do think there is a backup rom out there Jul 12 14:44:27 hmm, so what exactly doe the process do? Jul 12 14:44:29 on the dream you would reflash the original nbh then OTA back to current firmware, i don't know anything about sapphire rooting Jul 12 14:44:46 (I'm vaguely familiar with flashing stuff; I flashed my old Kaiser) Jul 12 14:45:10 I dont know about the recovery utility Jul 12 14:45:25 but I am pretty sure that there are backup roms Jul 12 14:45:29 that you can install Jul 12 14:45:58 hmm. I guess there;s probably a way to backup my current rom too Jul 12 14:46:04 which I guess is the best idea Jul 12 14:49:10 omg the wiki is in a bad shape Jul 12 14:55:10 zelrikriando: spammed/graffitied? Jul 12 14:56:14 yeah Jul 12 14:56:44 I dont think I have the power to remove that easily Jul 12 15:07:13 zelrikriando: still on the hero rom ? Jul 12 15:09:22 quick question: is protected applications still hidden for ADP1 owners? Jul 12 15:13:44 for all you Rogers customers who've successfully rooted and flashed roms... when you had to manually input the APN settings.. did you use internet.com ? Jul 12 15:17:03 jpa--: yeah Jul 12 15:17:21 jpa--: internet.com? Jul 12 15:17:26 Im thinking of buying the dream from rogers in a few days Jul 12 15:17:27 my phone provider had the information written on their homepage Jul 12 15:17:40 jpa--: wanna know the settings? Jul 12 15:17:47 But canadian cellphone plans are so expensive Jul 12 15:18:01 Spyrorocks: my plan is 65$ / month Jul 12 15:18:11 Spyrorocks: and dont buy a dream Jul 12 15:18:13 you got the 6gb right Jul 12 15:18:18 yeha Jul 12 15:18:21 I want the keyboard Jul 12 15:18:38 Spyrorocks: there is a keyboard on the Magic...software :p Jul 12 15:18:46 I went to a rogers kiosk and tested it out Jul 12 15:18:50 Spyrorocks: The Dream has low specs Jul 12 15:19:03 I hate software keyboards Jul 12 15:19:07 cant stand em Jul 12 15:19:08 :P Jul 12 15:19:24 Spyrorocks: if you install the Hero Rom on the MAgic...the touch screen will greatly improve Jul 12 15:19:54 Hero touchscreen software >>>> MAgic Jul 12 15:19:58 I asked the rogers guy if the SPL was all locked up on the dreams they sold Jul 12 15:20:16 he didn't know what I was talking about... Jul 12 15:20:26 I wana be able to flash it but i hear some magics are all locked up Jul 12 15:20:57 Spyrorocks: both I and jpa-- unlocked it somehow Jul 12 15:21:07 hero adds multitouch Jul 12 15:21:16 Im sure they will put something out for the dream Jul 12 15:21:25 But its very important to me to have a physical keyboard Jul 12 15:21:32 hello Jul 12 15:21:41 Hi gatza Jul 12 15:21:52 Spyrorocks: I thought that too...but a good touch screen keyboard is actually...very good :p Jul 12 15:22:40 The touchscreen keyboard on the Hero interface is a learning machine Jul 12 15:22:48 it learns your bias when you type Jul 12 15:24:02 Learning machines are cool :p[ Jul 12 15:26:56 I agree though, it's pretty hard to make good touch screen Jul 12 15:27:07 but I think the new software is getting better Jul 12 15:28:01 i find the touchscreen on the magic quite good Jul 12 15:28:06 depending on what rom ur using anyway Jul 12 15:28:19 but i mean.. for a phone that was released without multi-touch support Jul 12 15:28:28 then to be able to flash a rom that has multi-touch ? Jul 12 15:28:28 jpa--: did you notice the difference between the default rom and the hero rom? Jul 12 15:28:32 There is a big one Jul 12 15:28:38 hell yes Jul 12 15:28:55 The touch screen is smarter on the Hero Jul 12 15:28:56 interesting Jul 12 15:29:14 even just the rom? Jul 12 15:29:25 i noticed it had multi-touch for browsing Jul 12 15:29:28 yeah Jul 12 15:29:47 for touch screen jpa-- ...the rom is what makes the difference Jul 12 15:29:53 ahh Jul 12 15:29:56 good point heh Jul 12 15:30:09 a rom is basically a new OS right? Jul 12 15:30:10 like, a new version? Jul 12 15:30:11 The hardware is basically the same Jul 12 15:30:14 or is it some sort of overlay Jul 12 15:30:25 it's a new OS Jul 12 15:30:26 basically Jul 12 15:30:48 anybody use that invisible shield stuff with their magic or dream? Jul 12 15:30:59 I wana know how it interacts with the touchscreen Jul 12 15:31:12 because I bought the stuff before for my archos 5 Jul 12 15:31:12 oh I didnt put that on yet Jul 12 15:31:26 I am sure the touchscreen is fine with that too Jul 12 15:31:36 but didnt apply the touchscreen piece because I was pretty sure it was going to wreck it Jul 12 15:31:50 when I was demoing it, the touchscreens seem really nice Jul 12 15:31:57 invisible shield stuff? Jul 12 15:32:05 oh like the film you put over your screen? Jul 12 15:32:07 jpa--: a plastic layer Jul 12 15:32:20 I didnt buy yet Jul 12 15:32:31 but I start to get worried about wrecking it Jul 12 15:32:36 so maybe I ll buy it Jul 12 15:32:44 The girl at Rogers adviced me to do it Jul 12 15:32:55 and she did seem to know shit about smartphones Jul 12 15:32:58 Its actually good stuff Jul 12 15:33:02 IF you take your time to apply it Jul 12 15:33:08 its way to overpriced though Jul 12 15:33:10 for what it is Jul 12 15:33:12 yeah Jul 12 15:33:26 but I tell ya... my archos 5 looks like new Jul 12 15:33:42 I tried to scratch it with a fork and nothing happened Jul 12 15:33:50 my screen got dirty quickly Jul 12 15:33:54 but an exacto knife will but it :P Jul 12 15:33:57 I should buy one of those layers Jul 12 15:33:58 cut* Jul 12 15:34:03 well if those film layers work find on things like Touch Pro 2 and Touch Diamond.. why wouldn't it work on the htc dream or magic? Jul 12 15:34:11 or is it really the sotware that matters more in that case? Jul 12 15:34:12 I tried to google and browse xda-dev forums, but didn't find actual answer if I can use ext2/3 fs on sdcard for photos/music/etc ? Jul 12 15:34:17 Well, I wouldn't really like the texture Jul 12 15:35:12 Spyrorocks: tbh, iphone has had a touchscreen for years..and people dont seem to complain about the touchscreen Jul 12 15:35:42 Yeah Jul 12 15:35:56 But I don't really care for the iphone Jul 12 15:36:18 I am sure the Magic has similar touchscreen hardware Jul 12 15:36:27 it's the same technology Jul 12 15:36:43 yep Jul 12 15:36:46 but Jul 12 15:36:51 it's just that the software enhance the experience Jul 12 15:36:52 isn't the iphone's screen glass? Jul 12 15:37:02 hmm Jul 12 15:37:14 I know the dream and magic are plastic Jul 12 15:37:20 but its hard to tell Jul 12 15:37:26 it feels like glass to me Jul 12 15:38:45 http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/235257310/Screen_protector_for_mobile_phone_HTC_Magic.html Jul 12 15:38:51 how android knows that connection to the apn is established? because port for htc kaiser uses a "modem" app to establish internet connection and every app says that i dont have network connectivity Jul 12 15:39:04 but after that browser is working normally Jul 12 15:39:30 only google registration via setupwizard isn't working Jul 12 15:39:31 group buy? :P Jul 12 15:40:49 Spyrorocks, they're glass, afaik Jul 12 15:41:11 Khy: The dream/magic screens? Jul 12 15:41:16 Are you sure? Jul 12 15:41:31 Spyrorocks, no, but I'm pretty sure that it's glass Jul 12 15:41:40 it's certainly not the same glass that the iphone uses Jul 12 15:42:08 http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f41/is-the-g1-screen-hard-plastic-or-glass-4452/ Jul 12 15:42:13 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Dream - "Display: 3.2 in (8.1 cm) TFT-LCD flat glass touch-sensitive HVGA screen with 480 X 320 pixel resolution." Jul 12 15:42:17 you're right Jul 12 15:43:31 I can tell you with 100% certainty that it's nowhere near the strength of the iphone glass, but it's still glass :) Jul 12 15:45:24 where to start debugging if the android doesn't show up on adb? Jul 12 15:45:56 FreakGuard: did you activate usb debugging? Jul 12 15:46:42 FreakGuard, what platform? Jul 12 15:47:53 zelrikriando: jep Jul 12 15:47:55 KNY: linux Jul 12 15:48:13 FreakGuard, sudo $(which adb) kill-server && sudo $(which adb) devices Jul 12 15:48:14 32bit chroot Jul 12 15:48:38 blegh Jul 12 15:48:41 hm. works with root Jul 12 15:48:43 strange Jul 12 15:48:55 anyone know how to add/remove things in the power menu? e.g, the pop-up menu when you hold down the power button Jul 12 15:49:08 warewolf, I didn't know that was possible Jul 12 15:49:10 I'm digging through cyanogen's build env and can't see where the changes are Jul 12 15:49:24 KNY: it is :) The HTC Dream rom image does it, and so does cyanogen's Jul 12 15:49:37 warewolf, I thought you meant for an application to do it Jul 12 15:49:48 nono, hacking aosp Jul 12 15:51:41 ./frameworks/policies/base/phone/com/android/internal/policy/impl/GlobalActions.java Jul 12 15:51:42 maybe Jul 12 15:52:05 it comes up in a `grep -rnI ic_lock_airplane_mode .` Jul 12 15:52:40 yep, that seems to be it Jul 12 15:52:40 ooh Jul 12 15:52:53 thanks, I hadn't actually gone digging through my aosp checkout yet. Jul 12 15:53:49 hm, odd. I seem to have misplaced my aosp checkout. wtf. Jul 12 15:54:50 how do you misplace 1.4GB of files? Jul 12 15:54:56 3.0GB * Jul 12 15:55:12 reinstall a laptop a few times Jul 12 15:55:20 heh Jul 12 15:55:57 anyone knows where MCC & MNC decoding is done in android? Looks like mine doesn't know about my network carrier Jul 12 15:56:19 ooooh I think cyanogen's rom mod contains a fix for the htc 3-in-1 adapter Jul 12 15:56:21 * warewolf must go test Jul 12 16:00:47 may i know how i can get rid of outofmemoryerror (java exception) in my emulator? i know i have to use -Xms1g -Xmx1g but then where can i apply this jvm in the emuulator? Jul 12 16:00:57 my emulator is compiled from source. Jul 12 16:01:07 and i'm using x86 ubuntu as my host Jul 12 16:01:10 thanks! Jul 12 16:01:50 hi guys Jul 12 16:02:14 trying to backup my rom on my magic, but fastboot cannot see my device either on linux or windows Jul 12 16:02:30 anyone have any idea what I might be doing wrong? Jul 12 16:03:03 what terminal emulator is recommended from app store? Jul 12 16:03:37 hi there, how can i modify jvm parameter for my emulator that is compiled from source? Jul 12 16:03:40 s/app store/android market/ Jul 12 16:06:26 could somebody to let me know if i'm actually asking my quesiton in a wrong direction? Jul 12 16:07:07 I suspect, kennyyu, the problem is that there is nobody here that knows. Jul 12 16:07:18 how to enable tab complention in the android shell? Jul 12 16:07:52 ComradeHaz: oh really? :( Jul 12 16:08:46 FreakGuard: afaik busybox doesn't do that Jul 12 16:09:51 god I love fscking with sqlite dbs on a laptop to clear out gunk I don't want in certian android apps Jul 12 16:10:12 like reordering the alarm clocks in the alarm clock app, nuking radio stations I don't want in streamfurious Jul 12 16:11:49 benley: peh. how to get a non-busybox shell then? Jul 12 16:14:07 FreakGuard: you could do the whole 'install debian' thing Jul 12 16:17:42 benley: hm. useful? Jul 12 16:18:49 anyone knows why android doesn't know my network operator name? Jul 12 16:19:16 FreakGuard: dunno, haven't tried it :) Jul 12 16:24:47 quick question: will installing the dudes cupcake erase my /data/app folder? Jul 12 16:25:17 or for that matter, my contact-provider database, etc Jul 12 16:35:12 man im luvin this adium chat thing Jul 12 16:36:07 Is there a way to un-unlock a phone? Jul 12 16:36:21 Maxpower57: yea Jul 12 16:36:24 get an unlock code Jul 12 16:37:02 well that would unlock it. Jul 12 16:37:07 ohhh Jul 12 16:37:09 un-unlock Jul 12 16:37:17 yeah Jul 12 16:37:21 no, i think its permanent Jul 12 16:37:50 I had that feeling Jul 12 16:38:14 why would you want to Jul 12 16:39:44 I bought a phone on ebay, turns out it was defective, and the owner is claiming he won't take it back because it's unlocked. basically just being a difficult asshole Jul 12 16:40:24 you want to relock the bootloader? Jul 12 16:40:40 maybe? Jul 12 16:40:44 anyone knows why android doesn't know my network operator name? Jul 12 16:40:46 or do you mean a sim unlock? Jul 12 16:40:55 sim unlock Jul 12 16:41:05 ah, I know nothing about the sim unlock bit Jul 12 16:42:06 seems weird that there would be no way to reset it Jul 12 16:42:17 how do they lock them in the first place? Jul 12 16:42:52 Maxpower57: uh, why did you tell him you unlocked it Jul 12 16:42:54 :P Jul 12 16:45:20 i didn't but he specifically mentioned that he wouldn't accept it back if it was in a thretening email. Jul 12 16:46:03 hahaha Jul 12 16:48:45 uhm.. anyone else have a "device not recognized" notice in the windows taskbar when plugging in the device? Jul 12 16:48:49 even though it still works? Jul 12 16:49:40 jpa--: you need the driver which comes with the sdk Jul 12 16:51:19 every time i try to update the driver using that one, it says "windows could not find a better driver" Jul 12 16:51:28 yet when i check the properties, it says no driver installed Jul 12 16:51:39 you need to point it to the driver you download Jul 12 16:51:46 it wont find it on its own Jul 12 16:51:49 i know Jul 12 16:51:54 i manually choose the correct folder Jul 12 16:52:01 ive checked and double checked Jul 12 16:53:38 I cant help Jul 12 16:53:46 Windows is not part of my world Jul 12 16:53:48 hahaha Jul 12 16:53:52 haha lucky Jul 12 16:53:58 he just randomly comes in "i cnat help' Jul 12 16:54:09 lol Jul 12 16:54:10 <3 zelrikriando Jul 12 16:54:18 fellow rogers victim Jul 12 16:54:19 i mean customer Jul 12 16:54:19 :D Jul 12 16:54:53 i guess that also means you're in canada too Jul 12 16:54:53 heh Jul 12 16:54:55 where you at? Jul 12 16:54:59 Winnipeg Jul 12 16:55:06 oh cool Jul 12 16:55:10 you? Jul 12 16:55:14 Montreal Jul 12 16:55:17 ok Jul 12 16:55:23 Montreal is a nice city Jul 12 16:55:34 Yup Jul 12 16:55:42 just moved here in February Jul 12 16:55:59 I'm from a town in Ontario you've likely never heard of Jul 12 16:56:23 * benley <3 montreal Jul 12 16:56:52 I ll allways remember that girl I crossed on the street in Montreal, she was very cute... then when I turned my head to look at her ass, it was written 'Juicy' on her pants Jul 12 16:58:25 I can't tell if that is erotic or disgusting or both, zelrikriando. Jul 12 16:58:29 jpa--: what town Jul 12 16:58:43 Sudbury Jul 12 16:58:45 hm Jul 12 16:58:52 jpa--: I am likely to move there Jul 12 16:59:00 oh really haha? Jul 12 16:59:01 why? Jul 12 16:59:06 if EugeneK says that...then idk lol Jul 12 16:59:13 jpa--: the lab there Jul 12 16:59:31 health sector? Jul 12 16:59:41 jpa--: no, the one in the mine Jul 12 16:59:51 oh oh that makes more sense for sudbury haha Jul 12 16:59:56 :-/ Jul 12 17:00:08 sudbury = mining town Jul 12 17:00:18 bunch of french douchebag idiots there Jul 12 17:00:27 I am French Jul 12 17:00:35 i dont mean all french are douchebags Jul 12 17:00:40 :p Jul 12 17:00:42 i like french.. hence living in montreal Jul 12 17:00:46 but sudbury is gross french Jul 12 17:00:59 bushwhacking hillbillies Jul 12 17:01:09 damn Jul 12 17:01:17 I dont want to move there anymore now Jul 12 17:01:19 :) Jul 12 17:01:20 haha Jul 12 17:01:44 its not TOOO Bad i guess. im just meant for a big city.. not a smaller, less populated place l Jul 12 17:01:58 they have bushwacking hillbilly french? Jul 12 17:02:04 yes Jul 12 17:02:05 wow, i needa see me one of them Jul 12 17:02:15 and they are worse than the bushwacking hillbillies in the south of the US Jul 12 17:02:28 more ignorant than a tractor Jul 12 17:02:36 sweet Jul 12 17:02:41 i wanna see one for sure now Jul 12 17:02:50 jpa--: I guess I ll live in the lab anyway so that s ok Jul 12 17:03:28 it's not 100% I ll go there Jul 12 17:03:35 but that s my only job offer for now Jul 12 17:04:09 zelrikriando: honestly you might not mind it.. but just know it's not very excxiting there, and it's far from a big city Jul 12 17:04:31 jpa--: it's not that exciting either in Winnipeg Jul 12 17:04:54 I mean Winnipeg is the only big city in Manitoba... Jul 12 17:05:00 haha true Jul 12 17:05:03 big still.. it's a big city Jul 12 17:05:09 there's literally nothing exciting in sudbury Jul 12 17:05:15 i mean.. do you like going to the mall? Jul 12 17:05:17 I'm looking at installing the cyanogen recovery image and it seems likt it gets installed on the android along side the firmware. Jul 12 17:05:20 or like.. going to gocarts? Jul 12 17:05:22 mini-put? Jul 12 17:05:32 jpa--: neither of them :p Jul 12 17:05:37 And the rescue image is booted manually instead of the normal firmware, is this accurate? Jul 12 17:05:55 zelrikriando: haha k that's pretty much the options in sudbury Jul 12 17:06:06 however, there's a lot of money to be made in the mines there Jul 12 17:06:20 i know a lot of people working for Inco/Xtrata, and falconbridge, and whatever the other ones are Jul 12 17:06:49 jpa--: are there restaurants there? Jul 12 17:07:11 yeah a couple Jul 12 17:07:16 2 lol Jul 12 17:07:26 damn Jul 12 17:07:31 haha what kind of restaurants do u mean? Jul 12 17:07:34 I like to go to restaurants Jul 12 17:07:53 good classy ones? Jul 12 17:07:54 jpa--: like foreign ones, indian, japanese... Jul 12 17:07:58 oh hahaha Jul 12 17:08:05 there's 2 sushi places i think Jul 12 17:08:08 one indian place Jul 12 17:08:10 a few asian places Jul 12 17:08:15 wth is page up/down in connectbot? Jul 12 17:08:17 just spread out allover town Jul 12 17:08:22 ok Jul 12 17:08:28 So there is still stuff :p Jul 12 17:08:30 you'll get sick of them fast though Jul 12 17:08:40 because there isn't much variety.. and it's not really that great Jul 12 17:08:41 however Jul 12 17:08:46 Saporo Ichiban Jul 12 17:08:57 in "downtown" sudbury.. haha... on the 2nd of the 3 blocks of what downtown is Jul 12 17:10:27 ? Jul 12 17:10:39 downtown sudbury is very small. Jul 12 17:10:41 its literally like 3 blocks Jul 12 17:10:47 ok Jul 12 17:10:51 but Saporo Ichiban = great sushi place Jul 12 17:10:56 err japanese food, period Jul 12 17:10:56 nice Jul 12 17:11:25 Little India = expensive indian food Jul 12 17:11:27 Well downtown winnipeg is not really downtoan Jul 12 17:11:32 oh Jul 12 17:11:35 ive never been to winnipeg Jul 12 17:11:42 but i thought it was a big city.. like Vancouver or Toronto ? Jul 12 17:11:43 no? Jul 12 17:11:43 it's pretty crap Jul 12 17:11:52 jpa--: it's big but crapy Jul 12 17:11:56 what city? Jul 12 17:11:59 Winnipeg Jul 12 17:12:02 oh Jul 12 17:12:17 jpa--: Downtown is more like a ghetto Jul 12 17:12:53 Well maybe I am overreacting Jul 12 17:13:08 but I live in downtown right now, and it's not very nice... Jul 12 17:13:50 yeah i might have a hometown bias to sudbury too Jul 12 17:13:55 you may not mind it Jul 12 17:13:59 but its probably more shit that sudbury Jul 12 17:14:06 Downtown is also a ghetto Jul 12 17:14:17 drunken natives walking around everywhere asking for shmokes Jul 12 17:14:25 lol Jul 12 17:14:28 sounds like Winnipeg Jul 12 17:14:34 haha nice Jul 12 17:14:42 but yeah ... good money in the mines Jul 12 17:15:13 jpa--: can i haz a shmoke? Jul 12 17:15:23 Winnipeg is big because it's like a transit from the east to the west of Canada Jul 12 17:15:53 but the winter is comparable to the one in Sudbury Jul 12 17:15:57 very long and cold Jul 12 17:17:57 I think Winnipeg is the coldest big city in the world (population ~600 000) Jul 12 17:18:24 I dont think there is any city that populated and cold at the same time Jul 12 17:18:56 lol Jul 12 17:19:02 thats a nice face to know? Jul 12 17:19:04 hah Jul 12 17:19:09 fact* Jul 12 17:19:23 yeah Jul 12 17:20:11 i live the da kholdest city wif the most people Jul 12 17:20:13 beat that! Jul 12 17:20:23 that would be a great arugument Jul 12 17:21:14 AakashPatel: I just find it funny that it's -40 in the winter and yet 500 000 people still live there Jul 12 17:26:44 o.O Jul 12 17:26:47 -40 Jul 12 17:26:49 damn Jul 12 17:26:58 -40 C and F Jul 12 17:27:04 both units work :p Jul 12 17:28:09 and add the wind to that Jul 12 17:31:00 hrmmm Jul 12 17:31:26 if i can successfully USB tether for html browsing and what not... why wouldn't iRC work? Jul 12 17:31:33 different ports i assume.. but how would i go about fixing that? anyone? Jul 12 17:32:12 open the right ports I guess Jul 12 17:32:23 port forwarding Jul 12 17:32:27 search for that Jul 12 17:41:36 Y'a des français ici ? ^^ Jul 12 17:41:44 ouai Jul 12 17:41:50 wow nice :p Jul 12 17:41:58 y'a pas un chan dédié pour android fr ? Jul 12 17:42:09 I dont know Jul 12 17:42:38 i spreakin de french a bit Jul 12 17:42:50 AAAHHHH! dueling gsm phones. is it possible to turn off the radio on the adp1? Jul 12 17:43:06 Qwell: airplane mode ;) Jul 12 17:43:20 I want wifi on still. There's no SIM in it, so it's freaking out Jul 12 17:43:33 how lol Jul 12 17:43:37 i mean how is it freakin out Jul 12 17:43:41 it's angry :p Jul 12 17:44:00 I'm getting baaaad feedback from it on my phone when I make calls Jul 12 17:45:15 You said there is no SIM in it Jul 12 17:46:27 * zelrikriando thinks donut will be good Jul 12 17:49:02 will the T-mobile mytouch 3g work with Rogers 3g bands? Jul 12 17:49:55 like if im in canada and i got the Rogers HTC Magic when it came out in June, and my friend in the US is getting the T-mobile MyTouch 3g when it comes out..... if we trade phones... will either of us have problems? Jul 12 17:50:07 aside from changing APN Jul 12 17:50:15 uh Jul 12 17:50:19 you wont get 3g Jul 12 17:50:35 i hear they're diff frequencies Jul 12 17:51:37 oh ok Jul 12 17:52:30 Hello ubuntu and Google Android fans. Jul 12 17:53:34 hello clist fan Jul 12 17:53:58 :O Jul 12 17:54:08 lol Jul 12 17:54:10 XD Jul 12 17:55:17 how do you know there are ubuntu fans here Jul 12 17:55:26 he just knows Jul 12 17:55:29 he's gifted Jul 12 17:56:07 Out of 421 people... must be some! Jul 12 17:56:15 hey what is best for the battery Jul 12 17:56:27 charging it? Jul 12 17:56:29 lol Jul 12 17:56:29 Can I overcharge it? Jul 12 17:56:32 I mean Jul 12 17:56:35 no ther is protection Jul 12 17:56:37 No. Jul 12 17:56:38 there* Jul 12 17:56:43 I leave mine plugged in 24/7 when I can. Jul 12 17:56:50 ok Jul 12 17:57:06 i leave mine charging...when its dead :P Jul 12 17:57:18 But I have the fat 2600 mAH. Jul 12 17:57:26 tmzt: you around? Jul 12 17:57:33 eww Jul 12 17:57:37 darweth: thats horrid Jul 12 17:57:41 I love it. Jul 12 17:57:49 A phone should *never* be that big Jul 12 17:57:53 Wouldn't use the slim one even if it was 2600 mAH too. Jul 12 17:58:02 o.O Jul 12 17:58:04 damn boi Jul 12 17:58:05 AakashPatel: which phone xperia racheal? Jul 12 17:58:07 oh wiat! Jul 12 17:58:09 Well, I like the weight of it better with the fat battery. Jul 12 17:58:17 youlike the big ones haha Jul 12 17:58:19 :P Jul 12 17:58:24 k4r1m: how the hell should i know Jul 12 17:58:34 and thats not even a sentence Jul 12 17:58:44 k4r1m: He means my G1 with the 2600 mAH battery. Jul 12 17:58:48 And the new back cover. Jul 12 18:03:01 hm Jul 12 18:03:06 is status plural? Jul 12 18:03:36 I don't know. I am American. Jul 12 18:03:41 haha Jul 12 18:03:51 "i had two statuses?" Jul 12 18:03:53 wtf Jul 12 18:03:58 thats right apparently Jul 12 18:04:16 Oh, right. Yes, that is correct. Jul 12 18:05:12 How dare you put little African children in a tank! Jul 12 18:05:14 oh Jul 12 18:05:19 wrong window haha Jul 12 18:07:37 baahh Jul 12 18:07:44 i need tethering to work properly Jul 12 18:08:18 I never tried that Jul 12 18:08:57 lmao Jul 12 18:08:58 http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4239/picture2dri.png Jul 12 18:09:04 im laughing at my own stupidity Jul 12 18:15:18 Ohhh. AakashPatel is on Google Wave! Jul 12 18:15:41 lol sure Jul 12 18:20:47 aakashpatel: you here? Jul 12 18:21:34 If I am, will you give me a bj? Jul 12 18:21:35 haha Jul 12 18:21:40 oh wait, this isnt -offtopic Jul 12 18:21:48 :| Jul 12 18:22:03 whoa now tiger Jul 12 18:22:10 lol Jul 12 18:22:15 and no, thats called facebook Jul 12 18:22:16 :P Jul 12 18:24:01 african sick kids Jul 12 18:24:02 hallo pple Jul 12 18:24:03 LOL Jul 12 18:24:19 do any of you know anything about a terminal emulator written on the android ndk? Jul 12 18:24:27 has android finally gotten xpath support? Jul 12 18:24:36 or an easier to use xml parser? Jul 12 18:24:50 hehe Jul 12 18:24:52 Arakno: what about it Jul 12 18:25:25 unix_remote: check the dev docs on the android dev site Jul 12 18:25:36 Hey, I have a question I hope someone can answer. I have a UK G1 running a rooted jf1.5 rom. I want to take it back to stock 1.5 (minus root) but I cant find a howto that doesn't result in some kind of error, they all seem aimed at US users with now links to the UK stock rc9 firmware Jul 12 18:25:51 d474rpr: yea, my point, i'm showing only sax support. Jul 12 18:26:53 wondering if there were any easy to use 3rd party stuff in the mix since I last looked. Jul 12 18:26:58 unix_remote: its been a bit since i looked at the xml parsing docs so I can't say off the top of my head what we used Jul 12 18:28:02 User__: have you checked the information at the xda forums Jul 12 18:28:07 also, anyone know if the exchange apk from the htc hero firmware is available and installable on the G1 yet? Jul 12 18:28:37 unix_remote: i had exchange working on my G1 the last time I had it Jul 12 18:28:41 which was mid-may Jul 12 18:28:48 d474rpr: which app? Jul 12 18:28:50 wow im surprised tethering the htc magic is such a bitch Jul 12 18:28:52 i still cant get it working Jul 12 18:29:46 unix_remote: it was burned on the rom. touchdown was the independent apk that i used for a little while Jul 12 18:29:48 d474rpr: i'm looking for the apk from the HTC provided exchange client on the hero firmware Jul 12 18:31:30 yeah, but like I said, I cant find links to the UK rc9 firmware. Bascially, I think I have to downgrade to the stock t-mobile issued rc9 and then wait for the official OTA update to 1.5. I just cannot find the rc9 rom anywhere. and using rc29 thrown up a "not allow" error from the bootloader Jul 12 18:32:50 unix_remote: Try Haykuro's 6.0H build Jul 12 18:33:32 d474rpr: i'd rather not flash the entire ROM for an app. Jul 12 18:33:53 lol Jul 12 18:37:05 unix_remote: are you tech savy enough to break the rom up and get what you need? Jul 12 18:37:08 i did that earlier :0 Jul 12 18:37:32 install the rom with the app you need, use MyBackupPro or something similar to backup your apps Jul 12 18:37:42 so you can still wipe data and flash a new rom and get your apps back Jul 12 18:37:42 d474rpr: double uu tee eff? Jul 12 18:37:59 if it was as simple as that the package would be very well distributed by now. Jul 12 18:38:10 hi all Jul 12 18:38:33 the htc exchange support depends on the modified, non-open source android core that htc built Jul 12 18:38:49 unix_remote is right, if it were as simple as pulling an apk it would be everywhere already Jul 12 18:39:10 i never said that it's as easy as extracting the apk Jul 12 18:39:17 i know that doesn't work Jul 12 18:39:45 nm, i thought i had a point but i've corrected myself Jul 12 18:40:08 looks like the client dependencies are built into the ROM. Jul 12 18:40:18 the only way i know to get exchange other than using a third-party solution is by using a ROM that has it build it Jul 12 18:40:40 *in Jul 12 18:40:47 i'm thinking apps2sd wont come out until there's a proper security model built. Jul 12 18:41:56 could i ask a question about apps to sd Jul 12 18:42:15 can you move the apps back from the sd card Jul 12 18:43:23 perhaps a silly question, but what specifications should I be paying attention to when flashing roms? Jul 12 18:43:25 err like Jul 12 18:43:36 facelessloser: sure Jul 12 18:43:49 does it do it from the app Jul 12 18:44:01 if i flashed to spl 1.33.2005, am I safe to flash pretty much any rom thats said to support that spl? or should I still only stick to roms that are confirmed to work with rogers? Jul 12 18:44:25 or like.. any roms for a 32A board with SPL 1.33.2005 would be fine? Jul 12 18:45:04 facelessloser: can't help you with that, i'm afraid -- i've not used the apps2sd app, just done it manually and now with cyanogen Jul 12 18:45:50 cyanogen seems like a drug Jul 12 18:46:08 oh thanks, im just trying to learn as much as possibel Jul 12 18:46:12 possible Jul 12 18:46:17 ah chemical compund ;) Jul 12 18:51:05 all these new spl's has me freaked out a bit Jul 12 18:52:47 d474rpr: flash a random one then tell us if it bricks your phone lol Jul 12 18:53:04 AakashPatel: been there, done that Jul 12 18:53:07 no thanks Jul 12 18:53:10 haha Jul 12 18:53:57 cyanogen = H2NC(O)C(O)NH2 -> NCCN + 2 H2O Jul 12 18:54:31 its basically cyanide Jul 12 18:54:40 anyone could help me with this possible dead pixel of some sort? Jul 12 18:55:02 tap the screen Jul 12 18:55:06 really hard Jul 12 18:55:07 :) Jul 12 18:55:11 tried lol Jul 12 18:55:16 then return it lol Jul 12 18:55:33 well i had a long convo with tmzt and we are not sure if its a dead pixel or not Jul 12 18:55:35 its green. Jul 12 18:55:41 i cant find a link for cyanogen rom for rogers magics Jul 12 18:55:53 and then its red when you look at it from an angle Jul 12 18:56:06 dead pixels are always black Jul 12 18:56:10 you have a stuck pixel Jul 12 18:56:22 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=518851 Jul 12 18:56:40 itp: how do u fix such thing? Jul 12 18:56:49 jpa--: there is an experimental app on the market that is suppose to help with that Jul 12 18:56:52 hmm Jul 12 18:56:56 have you looked into it? Jul 12 18:57:07 Where can I download the source code of android Jul 12 18:57:14 source.android.com Jul 12 18:57:18 _sometimes_ a stuck pixel can be fixed by rapidly flashing different colors on the screen Jul 12 18:57:19 the internet Jul 12 18:57:23 ooo Jul 12 18:57:24 i think there's an app that'll try that Jul 12 18:57:29 get that strobe light app Jul 12 18:57:44 sometimes light to moderate pressure on the screen will fix a stuck pixel, but Jul 12 18:57:45 how do I find out what kernel version im on ? Jul 12 18:57:53 that's very difficult on a screen like the G1 has Jul 12 18:57:55 jpa--: look at settings > about > Jul 12 18:58:01 and it says "kernel version" lol Jul 12 18:58:05 itp: well tmzt told me since its green make a picture that is 320x480 made of black and magenta lines rapidly pixel by pixel and apply it Jul 12 18:58:10 but that doesnt seem to fix it Jul 12 18:58:15 k4r1m: where on the screen is your stuck pixel? Jul 12 18:58:29 kinda of bottom left corner Jul 12 18:58:32 i have a stuck pixel in the lower right of my screen Jul 12 18:58:44 mine is left lol Jul 12 18:58:47 it's almost impossible to notice if i don't go looking for it Jul 12 18:58:48 get the strobe light app lol Jul 12 18:58:51 'what does string(0) "" mean? null or something?' <-- SIGH Jul 12 18:58:53 it flashs all da colors Jul 12 18:59:03 haha Jul 12 18:59:07 i tried an app that color cycled for a night, nothing chaned, i ignored it Jul 12 18:59:10 itp: yeah almost impossible Jul 12 18:59:20 i only noticed it during boot/recovery Jul 12 18:59:29 i'd just not worry about it, then ;) Jul 12 18:59:50 well i kinda of do, but as general issue its not hardware related or is it? Jul 12 18:59:52 I wish I could get a good recording of my touch pro 2's pixel problem Jul 12 19:00:08 stuck pixels are relatively common lcd issues Jul 12 19:01:06 k4r1m: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defective_pixel if you're curious about the common causes Jul 12 19:02:07 well mine is weird though Jul 12 19:02:15 its green when you look at it straight Jul 12 19:02:22 its red when you look at it from an angle Jul 12 19:02:27 and its only a singal pixel Jul 12 19:02:34 afternoon. Jul 12 19:02:45 i can definitely brick my phone trying to update kernel version right Jul 12 19:02:45 ? Jul 12 19:03:02 uh Jul 12 19:03:04 no Jul 12 19:03:12 you're just messin with teh OS Jul 12 19:03:15 not the bootlaoder Jul 12 19:03:39 think of it this way Jul 12 19:03:43 oh so different roms have a different kernel? Jul 12 19:03:47 i thought the kernel was on the same level of the bootloader Jul 12 19:03:52 would you replace the bootloader on your pc? Jul 12 19:03:53 :P Jul 12 19:03:58 no Jul 12 19:04:01 r3nrut: i have.. in order to dualboot :P Jul 12 19:04:08 ewww Jul 12 19:04:10 realy? Jul 12 19:04:12 damn Jul 12 19:04:17 replacing the bootloader on your pc is no big deal Jul 12 19:04:21 yea Jul 12 19:04:28 i thought we meant the BIOS Jul 12 19:04:29 hehe Jul 12 19:04:33 k so SPL = bootloader? Jul 12 19:04:35 yeah yea, BIOS Jul 12 19:04:36 yea Jul 12 19:04:37 fastboot can be used to reflash the kernel even if you trash the kernel Jul 12 19:04:43 SPL/Bootloader/Hboot = all synonymous? or what? Jul 12 19:04:52 im just trying to define and understand these concepts Jul 12 19:05:07 if you trash fastboot, you're stuck (without jtag access or access to the manufacturers custom bootloader) Jul 12 19:05:28 anyone debranded there g1, im talking about the t mobile logo above the screen Jul 12 19:05:47 why... Jul 12 19:05:49 lol Jul 12 19:06:14 facelessloser: i've heard that it can be removed with a salt cube and a bit of water Jul 12 19:06:18 i really dont like t mobile and everyone keeps asking me if im on t mobiel Jul 12 19:06:22 or just the salt cube... not sure Jul 12 19:06:37 salt comes in cubes? Jul 12 19:06:39 o.o Jul 12 19:06:40 yeah ive heard that ages ago but wasnt sure if it worked Jul 12 19:06:53 AakashPatel... yea? Jul 12 19:06:53 or just use a sugar cube lol Jul 12 19:06:53 facelessloser: ahh puss, some sandpaper Jul 12 19:07:00 r3nrut: i never seen one lol Jul 12 19:07:05 lol sand paper Jul 12 19:07:07 aak: sure. i get mine in a huge container containing tons of very very small cubes Jul 12 19:07:07 is tehre any real reason i'd want to even bother update kernel version? Jul 12 19:07:11 just get a new housing facelessloser Jul 12 19:07:13 or any reasons id want to avoid it? Jul 12 19:07:13 sugar cube is too course Jul 12 19:07:17 must be salt Jul 12 19:07:28 o.o Jul 12 19:07:29 oh i see Jul 12 19:07:32 i've never seen a salt cube Jul 12 19:07:36 i think sand paper would dull it tho Jul 12 19:07:38 only sugar cube hah Jul 12 19:07:45 facelessloser: what? Jul 12 19:07:49 dont even try sand apaper Jul 12 19:07:50 i might use some kinda cleaning fluid Jul 12 19:08:11 * AakashPatel haz no branding anywhere XD Jul 12 19:08:13 sand paper might dull the plastic finish Jul 12 19:08:23 http://www.saltnews.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/saltblock7.jpg Jul 12 19:08:28 http://www.ljcfyi.com/blog/2009/april2009/saltCube.jpg Jul 12 19:08:31 anyone use ahome, openhome or dxtop Jul 12 19:08:36 wtf do u need that for Jul 12 19:08:39 i used to use open home Jul 12 19:08:44 NexVision: I used dxtop Jul 12 19:08:53 are they worth installing Jul 12 19:08:55 what u think is the best Jul 12 19:09:00 NexVision: ive tried all of the above Jul 12 19:09:01 uhmm Jul 12 19:09:04 and they just slow shit down Jul 12 19:09:07 i used ahome and open home Jul 12 19:09:07 lol Jul 12 19:09:10 i just installed all and the only one i am liking is ahome Jul 12 19:09:11 ipt: this what i used http://i27.tinypic.com/2cek7yd.png which didnt work lol, what was the app on the market with different colors? Jul 12 19:09:13 ahome has a cool dock Jul 12 19:09:17 but the rest of open home is better Jul 12 19:09:21 dxtop was really slow Jul 12 19:09:26 ya ahome was the best of all of them Jul 12 19:09:27 and if u want u can just have the same 4 icons at the bottom Jul 12 19:09:33 k4r1m: strobe light Jul 12 19:09:34 also enabled auto-rotate on homescreen Jul 12 19:09:34 in open home Jul 12 19:09:38 i didn't really care enough about the features they offered to keep any of them Jul 12 19:09:39 and open home is pretty cool Jul 12 19:09:40 same with ahome Jul 12 19:09:45 maybe its 2.5.1 Jul 12 19:09:47 u can change the icons Jul 12 19:09:56 open home seemed really sluggish to me Jul 12 19:09:57 i liked open home the best for speed and reliabilty Jul 12 19:10:03 i haven't tried ahome on any other roms.. just on the stock OS, unrooted Jul 12 19:10:08 and it was slow going back to the homescreen Jul 12 19:10:09 hmmm Jul 12 19:10:10 oh Jul 12 19:10:16 open home seemed legit fo rme Jul 12 19:10:16 im using soulife rogers Jul 12 19:10:22 canadian Jul 12 19:10:27 if i was doing something in menus, or browsing or something.. pressing hte homekey would take about 15 seconds to load the homescreen Jul 12 19:10:38 may try openhome again now that i exported my ahome settings Jul 12 19:10:38 haha in open home? Jul 12 19:10:44 oh ahome Jul 12 19:10:49 i never had a lag problem with open home Jul 12 19:10:50 try it Jul 12 19:11:00 i used cyanogen's with open home before i believe Jul 12 19:11:07 that and haykuro 6.0.1r1 Jul 12 19:11:09 yeah i installed but didnt like but i installed all 3 at once Jul 12 19:11:12 and ran each one Jul 12 19:11:13 and some jf 1.51 or whateef Jul 12 19:12:01 whats the best rooted rom to use Jul 12 19:12:11 depends on needs Jul 12 19:12:36 if u want a really fast fully up to date rom then cyanogen Jul 12 19:12:53 if u want a stable rom thats fast and realible no questions asked then jf Jul 12 19:12:55 im using jf 1.51 but is there any better ones with more stuff on them Jul 12 19:13:10 oh i see Jul 12 19:13:12 if u need exchange support then i recommend soulife Jul 12 19:13:24 what is exchange surpport Jul 12 19:13:31 sorry for all the questions Jul 12 19:13:39 microsoft exchange Jul 12 19:13:45 if u dont know u dont need it Jul 12 19:13:45 im just trying to get my head round all this flashing and stuff Jul 12 19:13:56 was thinkings that myself Jul 12 19:14:03 its just eveyone keeps going on about it Jul 12 19:14:05 im sort of impressed with fatal1tys Hero rom, despite a few minor bugs Jul 12 19:14:15 still can't find a cyanogen rogers rom link Jul 12 19:14:16 screw all the hero roms Jul 12 19:14:16 only one i found is dead Jul 12 19:14:25 cyanogen doesnt do rogers Jul 12 19:14:33 use soulife or ravenge Jul 12 19:14:39 anyone tryed out any hero roms Jul 12 19:14:41 soulife is better IMO Jul 12 19:14:46 ive tried em all Jul 12 19:14:48 use HTC's roms :x Jul 12 19:15:00 nandroid is the best Jul 12 19:15:08 cool Jul 12 19:15:08 facelessloser: i tried Fatal1tys Hero Rom Jul 12 19:15:08 is pretty good.. a few bugs though Jul 12 19:15:09 a bit slowish Jul 12 19:15:27 yeah ive heard you have to have swapper on and stuff Jul 12 19:15:36 and apps to sd but i havent got a fast card Jul 12 19:15:56 i dont understand how can dream users even run it at alll... im running it on my magic the 288ram version i only get like 3mb of free ram. Jul 12 19:16:18 lol Jul 12 19:16:23 k4r1m: which rom? Jul 12 19:16:35 fatality's hero Jul 12 19:16:49 weird Jul 12 19:17:54 that's what i said when i heard g1 users could even flash it. Jul 12 19:18:13 does it work well on the magic Jul 12 19:18:22 not too bad for me Jul 12 19:18:32 if i try to do shit too fast and wahtever, it can get sluggish Jul 12 19:18:38 but otherwise not bad at all Jul 12 19:18:46 had it for a few days and its alright Jul 12 19:18:56 does it drain battery more? Jul 12 19:19:32 tbh i dont think my phone is reading th ebattery correctly right now Jul 12 19:19:37 ive had no simcard in my phone like all night Jul 12 19:19:43 and didnt turn off any network settings Jul 12 19:19:46 and it still says almost full batter Jul 12 19:19:47 y Jul 12 19:20:27 i was worried about moving to the g1 coz everyone was on about shit battery life but i think its fine Jul 12 19:20:42 after a few good charges it was pritty strong Jul 12 19:21:03 u could always buy those 1800 batteries Jul 12 19:21:10 i believe they are like 50$ or something Jul 12 19:21:18 are they the slim ones Jul 12 19:21:23 yeah they are alot Jul 12 19:21:42 probilly not really worth the money since i only payed £150 for the phone Jul 12 19:22:06 nice lol Jul 12 19:22:19 i paid 600$ + tax lol Jul 12 19:22:30 and now i have a freaking stuck pixel Jul 12 19:22:35 lol Jul 12 19:22:38 that sucks Jul 12 19:22:42 where did you get it from Jul 12 19:22:43 i needa get a replacement onmine monday Jul 12 19:22:45 :) Jul 12 19:22:49 i got it from rogers Jul 12 19:23:01 i only got the phone and a charger but i didnt really fancy paying more for a box i dont need Jul 12 19:23:09 i didnt wanna renew my contract since i had an iphone from them.... now i cant even return it Jul 12 19:23:24 k4r1m: stick it in teh fridge XD Jul 12 19:23:24 whys that Jul 12 19:23:26 in a bag Jul 12 19:23:40 AakashPatel: lol where do u come with these awesome ideas? Jul 12 19:23:46 my ass Jul 12 19:23:49 heh now that i upgraded to a smartphone.. i have to wait 2 years before i can upgrade again Jul 12 19:23:57 im just afraid if i get another stuck pixel Jul 12 19:23:58 so this phone better alst Jul 12 19:23:59 k4r1m: someoen said that fixed thier wifi Jul 12 19:24:00 lol Jul 12 19:24:17 hahaha Jul 12 19:24:28 what loooool Jul 12 19:24:32 lol for real Jul 12 19:24:43 thats random Jul 12 19:24:50 not really... Jul 12 19:24:59 we're talkin about stuck pixels Jul 12 19:25:01 :) Jul 12 19:25:03 ive put my macbook pro battery in the freezer and it got more battery life out of it Jul 12 19:25:06 i want to put my phone in the fridge Jul 12 19:25:19 is it like putting batteries in the fridge? Jul 12 19:25:40 ima liquid cool my battery Jul 12 19:25:40 do you think it would run faster in the freezer lol Jul 12 19:25:40 my mom use to do that and i never understood her reasoning for it Jul 12 19:25:40 said they'd keep longer Jul 12 19:25:40 kinda Jul 12 19:25:41 except not Jul 12 19:25:52 chemical shit slows down :P Jul 12 19:25:56 overlcock my cpu and change my ram timings lol Jul 12 19:26:18 HELOW Jul 12 19:26:27 hi there trbleclef Jul 12 19:26:28 hey hit the caps lock key, it may help :0 Jul 12 19:26:36 LIKE THIS? Jul 12 19:26:41 fuck me Jul 12 19:26:43 lol Jul 12 19:27:12 where does shaw cable operate? Jul 12 19:27:15 ca? Jul 12 19:27:16 lol i had to do that, seen something like that on bash Jul 12 19:27:23 k4r1m: me too Jul 12 19:27:24 haha Jul 12 19:27:28 is it possible to link directly to the browser bookmarks view without having to load the browser proper. Jul 12 19:27:31 yeah alberta and bc lol Jul 12 19:27:41 and the last visited page? Jul 12 19:28:12 ipt: is there a way to fix it, if i have the proper tools? Jul 12 19:28:37 i was thinking of removing evertything and some how puting my screen into a circuit lol Jul 12 19:28:56 http://soompi.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=256416 Jul 12 19:28:58 cool Jul 12 19:29:06 OMG, read the post from user: ahyungx3 Jul 12 19:29:06 is there a way to turn a HTC Magic running Android 1.5 into a laptop modem ? I've found tetherbot but it only specifies the G1 as a target. Jul 12 19:30:06 wifitether Jul 12 19:30:16 Schmidt: put it in your fridge Jul 12 19:30:28 hey i said that Jul 12 19:31:42 r3nrut: I'd rather not. Jul 12 19:31:49 i cant get wifi tether to work Jul 12 19:31:52 says i need to update kernel version Jul 12 19:32:12 i got wifi tether to work with wifi tether for root users Jul 12 19:32:17 jpa--: then do it Jul 12 19:32:19 :) Jul 12 19:32:20 same Jul 12 19:32:31 could be the kernel he has doesnt have the iptables thingy Jul 12 19:32:32 AakashPatel: no clue how Jul 12 19:32:37 jpa--: hold on Jul 12 19:32:43 yea thats the error i get Jul 12 19:32:53 http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/wiki/ADP15KernelUpdate Jul 12 19:32:59 you used android wifi tether right? Jul 12 19:33:01 for root users Jul 12 19:33:44 oh there are two versions? Jul 12 19:34:03 uh Jul 12 19:34:04 idk Jul 12 19:34:12 i just remember seeing that page :) Jul 12 19:34:18 the one i had tries to start tethering and gives the root access screen to allow, or always allow Jul 12 19:34:20 i hit always allow Jul 12 19:34:22 and still doesnt work Jul 12 19:34:55 that link you gave me has a big warning Jul 12 19:34:57 "dont install this on htc magic" Jul 12 19:35:01 i suggest linux-swap and the new JACHero2.63 Jul 12 19:35:17 i have the music widget weather widget and some others and it's still smooth Jul 12 19:35:18 hrm?? Jul 12 19:35:20 what does linux-swap do? Jul 12 19:35:23 i flashed yesterday Jul 12 19:35:30 it's kinda like swapper, if u know what that is Jul 12 19:35:35 no clue what linux-swap IS Jul 12 19:35:44 yeah i seen that Jul 12 19:35:50 but you have to partition about 40mb into a linux-swap Jul 12 19:36:08 and it swaps much faster i suppose and it will only over use 40mb on ur sd card Jul 12 19:36:17 for all of the people that think swapper will kill ur sd Jul 12 19:36:19 i still dont believe it Jul 12 19:36:38 lasthopesinyouu: "kill"? depends on your sd card Jul 12 19:36:45 yeah thats true Jul 12 19:36:50 with a modern card with wear leveling, shouldn't be too bad Jul 12 19:36:52 i cant even use apps2sd for some reason Jul 12 19:37:02 even when i start it, it asks me to partition, and gives me the option to choose sizes of partitions, etc Jul 12 19:37:05 i mean, you're still shortening the life of it, but it's likely you won't get to a point where it 's dead ;) Jul 12 19:37:07 most roms now a days do it automatically Jul 12 19:37:10 if u have an ext2 partition Jul 12 19:37:11 i chose like 300mb for ext3 partition, let it do its thing.. then rebooted Jul 12 19:37:11 i wouldnt worry about killing your sd Jul 12 19:37:12 and still nothing Jul 12 19:37:16 it keeps asking me to partition every time Jul 12 19:37:22 i doubt it will die by the time you get a new phone Jul 12 19:37:29 so far i dont think my sdcard is even partitions Jul 12 19:37:48 i hear something like a million days of constant writing on a class6 Jul 12 19:37:54 can you send your apps back over to your phone with the app Jul 12 19:38:11 lasthopesinyouu: million days is a LONNG time Jul 12 19:38:18 haha Jul 12 19:38:20 you wont even live for htat long haha Jul 12 19:38:21 of constant writing Jul 12 19:38:33 it was either a million days or a million hours Jul 12 19:38:38 might have been a million hours Jul 12 19:38:52 still very long time Jul 12 19:38:53 thats like 14 years Jul 12 19:38:55 lol Jul 12 19:38:56 yea Jul 12 19:38:57 lol Jul 12 19:38:59 of constant writing Jul 12 19:39:06 crap man Jul 12 19:39:10 like placing 14 years worth a mp3's onto ur sd card Jul 12 19:39:17 LOL Jul 12 19:39:20 lol Jul 12 19:39:21 stupid rogers are saying it needs to be 5 pixels or more if i wanna get a new one lmao Jul 12 19:39:24 1.142 centuries Jul 12 19:39:25 :P Jul 12 19:39:40 thats still longer that you'll live haha Jul 12 19:39:43 man that sucks k4rlm Jul 12 19:39:50 how to i get dead pixels on my phone lol? i already have one just need four more lol Jul 12 19:39:55 haha true Jul 12 19:39:58 some people say like 10% in the same area of the screen Jul 12 19:40:00 aakashpatel what was that song Jul 12 19:40:02 k4r1m: freezer! Jul 12 19:40:04 ohhohhhohhhhhh or something Jul 12 19:40:10 oh Jul 12 19:40:14 uh Jul 12 19:40:15 ohhhh ahhhh ohhhh Jul 12 19:40:16 damn it!!! Jul 12 19:40:18 i know iti! Jul 12 19:40:22 hold on Jul 12 19:40:27 it was from that movie Jul 12 19:40:35 oh shit i remember Jul 12 19:40:37 fast and furious Jul 12 19:40:39 its on the tip of my tung Jul 12 19:40:44 AakashPatel: are you serious lol? Jul 12 19:40:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqk-qvR53hQ Jul 12 19:40:55 MY LIFE BEE LIKE Jul 12 19:40:58 OHHHHHHH AHHHH OHHHH Jul 12 19:41:15 oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Jul 12 19:41:16 lol Jul 12 19:41:21 suchan awesome song Jul 12 19:41:22 lol Jul 12 19:41:37 k4r1m: im always serious, even whenimjoking Jul 12 19:41:50 i hope when i get older my alarm goes off and it's this song and i get up and go into fast motion and get ready and eat cereal then when the song stops im walking out of my door Jul 12 19:41:51 no no no Jul 12 19:41:53 dont Jul 12 19:41:55 walking to my job in a suit Jul 12 19:42:02 ballin makin sales on the way to work Jul 12 19:42:04 with my g1 ;) Jul 12 19:42:05 lol i think ima just go to the rogers store and complain Jul 12 19:42:14 k4r1m: it may trigger the little sticker to turn redhaha Jul 12 19:42:19 should get my original rom on the phone or just show up with the hero rom lol Jul 12 19:42:24 my life be like ohhhhhhhhh ahhhhhhhhhhh ohhhahh ohhhhhhhhh Jul 12 19:42:30 lol Jul 12 19:42:54 k4r1m: haha show up with the hero Jul 12 19:43:05 i think they might be pissed if you turn up with the hero rom on there Jul 12 19:43:12 no way Jul 12 19:43:16 say it came like that Jul 12 19:43:29 I HAZ A NEW FONEZ WIF HEROZ Jul 12 19:43:31 yum yum ditty Jul 12 19:43:41 i went to work work hero on my phone yesterday Jul 12 19:43:48 the rogers dude will prob be stunned Jul 12 19:43:51 since they are all idiots Jul 12 19:43:55 haha do it Jul 12 19:43:59 k4r1m: video tape it Jul 12 19:44:00 LOL Jul 12 19:44:05 you should do it Jul 12 19:44:07 hahahaha lmao Jul 12 19:44:16 haha i could imagine Jul 12 19:44:20 i will be like hm i dont know what u talking about this is an htc update Jul 12 19:44:23 hell yeah go with the tape Jul 12 19:44:25 you wrk for a rogers call center or something? Jul 12 19:44:47 no he doesnt lol Jul 12 19:45:01 i want to laugh! Jul 12 19:45:02 lol Jul 12 19:45:21 just for fyi Jul 12 19:45:25 1 mil days is 2.74 millennia Jul 12 19:45:27 lol Jul 12 19:45:34 just for fry Jul 12 19:45:36 wtf Jul 12 19:46:32 can i use TextView.setTextColor with something not in the Color class? Jul 12 19:47:10 elprespufferfish, 0xAARRGGBB Jul 12 19:47:38 how do i get that out of R, then Jul 12 19:48:21 JACHERO PLUS LINUX-SWAP Jul 12 19:48:25 NECESSITY Jul 12 19:48:29 sometimes i like to think im a hacker but when i think about it im really not, i just follow guids Jul 12 19:48:39 bahah Jul 12 19:48:54 atleast i know how to do it by myself and i can create my own roms Jul 12 19:48:54 dont wanna risk it lol Jul 12 19:48:58 flashing the rogers rom Jul 12 19:49:04 damn you Jul 12 19:49:05 leaving the custom recovery though Jul 12 19:49:06 :P Jul 12 19:49:25 haha ends up the guy at the rogers store is a custom rom guy Jul 12 19:49:39 yeah Jul 12 19:49:57 lol i hate u man Jul 12 19:50:06 anytime bro Jul 12 19:50:07 would have been funny to see what they would have done about the custom rom Jul 12 19:50:08 :) Jul 12 19:50:10 i've tried all roms and all optimizations all of everything Jul 12 19:50:25 probily would have been like it caused the dead pixal Jul 12 19:50:27 JACHero 2.63 is the best. get a linux-swap Jul 12 19:50:38 straight up learn how to partition ur class 4 or class 6 sd card Jul 12 19:50:58 whats the best way to partition Jul 12 19:51:05 hm can i partition my SD through my phone on USB? Jul 12 19:51:06 utorrent Jul 12 19:51:07 ive just linux Jul 12 19:51:11 plus paragon partition manager Jul 12 19:51:12 or do ihave to have a sd reader? Jul 12 19:51:14 9.0 professional Jul 12 19:51:14 used Jul 12 19:51:20 yeah sd card reader Jul 12 19:51:31 cool Jul 12 19:51:31 10 bucks from walmart Jul 12 19:51:35 on windows yet Jul 12 19:51:37 yes Jul 12 19:51:55 if u know how to download torrents Jul 12 19:52:05 get the full version of paragon partition manager 9 profiessonal Jul 12 19:52:13 and have an sd card reader Jul 12 19:52:18 i want one for osx :( Jul 12 19:52:21 if u have that, u wont brick ur phone Jul 12 19:52:31 im off guys, good luck with your phone k4rlm Jul 12 19:52:48 me too AakashPatel Jul 12 19:52:49 i wish i could show u guys my phone, ud all be jealous hhaah Jul 12 19:53:01 actually i got a new plan Jul 12 19:53:03 pictures :P Jul 12 19:53:10 i only know one other person with a g1 Jul 12 19:53:16 me too Jul 12 19:53:19 same! Jul 12 19:53:22 what's wrong with : setTextColor(context.getResources().getColor(R.color.mycolor) Jul 12 19:53:26 oh esiy Jul 12 19:53:27 i know a person with a g1 and someone else with the magic Jul 12 19:53:29 wait* Jul 12 19:53:31 i know 2 Jul 12 19:53:32 :) Jul 12 19:53:40 i want to ask them if they rooted it but i dont really know them its just a guy from work Jul 12 19:53:57 he wont know what ur talking about Jul 12 19:54:02 lol that would be odd "hey man you rooted that baby yet" Jul 12 19:54:11 i showed a kid cyanogen with a hero theme, wasn't even hero Jul 12 19:54:16 bah there needs to be more roms for Rogers phones Jul 12 19:54:18 i know he would probily just walk off lol Jul 12 19:54:18 and he was totally taken back Jul 12 19:54:31 he was like wow, how did you do that Jul 12 19:54:33 is it easy Jul 12 19:54:39 like i want that shit on my phone Jul 12 19:54:49 he had 4 icons at the bottom and the clock Jul 12 19:54:50 i laughed. Jul 12 19:54:58 sunday Jul 12 19:54:59 blah Jul 12 19:55:00 cause my life be like ohhhhhhhhh ahhhh ohhhhhhhh Jul 12 19:55:10 wow Jul 12 19:55:13 lol Jul 12 19:55:14 your phone really became part of your ego eh? Jul 12 19:55:16 wtf Jul 12 19:55:19 so much pride over a phone Jul 12 19:55:28 like every kid with an iphone Jul 12 19:55:28 jpa--: break his phone Jul 12 19:55:29 and ur mom in my bed every morning Jul 12 19:55:30 he will die Jul 12 19:55:41 "yo man, i jailbroke this shit. free apps yo, im ballin" Jul 12 19:55:41 ohhh ahhhhhhhh Jul 12 19:55:47 rofl Jul 12 19:55:51 no mary jane makes me ballin Jul 12 19:55:57 im off now catch you guys later Jul 12 19:56:03 jpa--: 'das wack man, hit me up wit dat shiz' Jul 12 19:56:05 good chatting to you all Jul 12 19:56:08 cya Jul 12 19:56:11 and that christina just makes me BALLLLLLLLLLLIN Jul 12 19:56:15 wtf Jul 12 19:56:34 lol Jul 12 19:56:34 man Jul 12 19:56:35 you remind me of my little brother Jul 12 19:56:43 lol, i was joking muh dude Jul 12 19:56:50 hm that reminds me, where is my bro Jul 12 19:56:51 weed dealin cracker who thinks he's ballin because he makes money selling pot Jul 12 19:56:51 walks around like he's king shit Jul 12 19:56:57 lol in 10 years he'll be the loser 30 year old selling weed to kids Jul 12 19:57:09 haha Jul 12 19:57:12 actually i havn't sold weed in over a year Jul 12 19:57:23 i straightend my life out Jul 12 19:57:27 i havent ever Jul 12 19:57:27 i havn't smoked in a year and a half either Jul 12 19:57:28 meanwhile im the 25 year old hitting bongs on my sunday off, fucking with my phone Jul 12 19:57:28 lol Jul 12 19:57:29 :P Jul 12 19:57:49 i wish i could smoke but i got to take a test for the electrical union in philly Jul 12 19:57:57 after that... Jul 12 19:58:01 ohhhhhhh ahhhhhhhhhh ohhhhhhhhhhh Jul 12 19:58:39 lmao Jul 12 19:59:34 philidelphia has the worst drivers (besides small korean women) ever Jul 12 19:59:45 oooooooo Jul 12 19:59:46 haha Jul 12 20:00:15 change your nick to something kewlr lasthopesinyouu Jul 12 20:00:17 jpa, im just saying my phone is better then the stock ;) Jul 12 20:00:30 owned Jul 12 20:00:43 :) Jul 12 20:00:44 see me in cs Jul 12 20:01:11 my life be like ohhhhhhhhh ahhhhhhh oohhhhhhhhhhhhhooooooooooooo Jul 12 20:01:27 HAHA Jul 12 20:01:29 MY LIFE BE LIKE Jul 12 20:01:33 in the middle of no where Jul 12 20:01:57 my wife be like stfu Jul 12 20:01:59 :P Jul 12 20:02:30 STAFO Jul 12 20:02:33 dickweed Jul 12 20:02:53 wut? Jul 12 20:02:57 stafo? Jul 12 20:03:01 stfu Jul 12 20:03:03 stafoo Jul 12 20:03:05 nvm Jul 12 20:03:29 :P Jul 12 20:03:39 s Jul 12 20:04:38 damn androidirc is broken Jul 12 20:04:43 nuh huh Jul 12 20:05:05 anyone here good with regex? Jul 12 20:05:15 force closes everytime i change the settings :( Jul 12 20:05:20 i need a regex expression that basically means more than 500 characters without whitespace Jul 12 20:05:25 maybe its just cy 3.6.5 Jul 12 20:05:43 im upgrading it hold on Jul 12 20:06:03 options work for me Jul 12 20:06:37 seems only the initial setup then Jul 12 20:06:39 I'm alive! Jul 12 20:06:46 heh Jul 12 20:07:55 What s your favorite app Jul 12 20:08:04 Units will start shipping within a week or two. However, the first batch has limited quantities, and some customers with preorders are going to have to wait until the second batch later this year. Jul 12 20:08:13 shiznebit: so some people are going to get screwed Jul 12 20:08:18 i bet they only ship 100 units Jul 12 20:08:24 and have like 5000 on back order Jul 12 20:08:29 oh noes Jul 12 20:08:33 hahah Jul 12 20:08:34 meh Jul 12 20:08:36 Macer: pwned Jul 12 20:08:55 "until the second batch later this year." Jul 12 20:09:05 YEs!!! Jul 12 20:09:11 i just got a date with this chick!!! Jul 12 20:09:12 dang it why are they so inept Jul 12 20:09:13 hell yea Jul 12 20:09:15 does it take chinese slave labor that long to make a batch of beagleboards attached to touch screens? :) Jul 12 20:09:27 heh Jul 12 20:09:41 i mean it seems a little easier than shoes and televisions Jul 12 20:09:44 next year we'll have Omap4 Jul 12 20:09:54 they will probably have omap4 Jul 12 20:09:55 i haz omap5 in dev closet Jul 12 20:10:02 before i get my touch book Jul 12 20:10:03 haha Jul 12 20:10:08 hah Jul 12 20:10:15 hah Jul 12 20:10:15 that would be sad. i'd return it and say "thanks but it's too old now" Jul 12 20:10:15 Macer: pre-orders are for sucka Jul 12 20:10:17 s Jul 12 20:10:23 AakashPatel: it's like popcornhour Jul 12 20:10:29 wtf is taht Jul 12 20:10:33 it took me 3 weeks to get my popcornhour because you had to preorder on batches Jul 12 20:10:50 it's a made in china media player :) it works pretty well though Jul 12 20:11:00 plays like 99% of the stuff i've thrown at it Jul 12 20:11:29 AakashPatel: im just going to call `em again later say i have 6 pixels now Jul 12 20:11:30 supports nfs and smb and upnp.. it's badass. hd plays wonderfully on it Jul 12 20:11:34 hope the chinese faker make a fake for full mass production :) Jul 12 20:11:37 k4r1m: you do? Jul 12 20:11:38 really?lol Jul 12 20:11:41 or jsut gonna say Jul 12 20:11:41 AakashPatel: no lol Jul 12 20:11:42 k4r1m: dead pixels? :) Jul 12 20:11:47 heh Jul 12 20:11:51 moar like stuck pixels Jul 12 20:11:55 ah Jul 12 20:11:57 take it back Jul 12 20:12:00 i had the same problem with mine Jul 12 20:12:03 but the guy over the phone didnt know what a stuck pixel was so i just said dead Jul 12 20:12:08 had like 1 right in the middle and i took it back th enext day Jul 12 20:12:10 Macer: rogers? Jul 12 20:12:16 k4r1m: jus tsay the screen isn't working Jul 12 20:12:18 and you want a new one haha Jul 12 20:12:21 k4r1m: tmob Jul 12 20:12:32 they replaced it like it was nothing Jul 12 20:12:37 Macer: mine is sooo tiny and small that i just noticed it after a whole month and a half Jul 12 20:12:39 i think they gave me a reboxed phone and didn't tell me Jul 12 20:12:42 haha Jul 12 20:12:48 probably returned for the same exact reaswon Jul 12 20:12:58 i don't play dead pixels in a brand new phone Jul 12 20:13:04 that's bullshit type stuff Jul 12 20:13:06 yeah i just need to play it nicely since everything needs to be done voer the phone Jul 12 20:13:10 bbl Jul 12 20:13:12 Macer thanks for ruining my touchbook hope Jul 12 20:13:20 shiznebit: i'm just a realist Jul 12 20:13:24 i emailed them and that is what they said Jul 12 20:13:30 so judging by when i ordered. i'm scrweed Jul 12 20:13:30 just listen to AakashPatel and throw it in the freezer Jul 12 20:13:31 haa Jul 12 20:13:41 :D Jul 12 20:13:43 when did ya order Jul 12 20:15:06 i was looking for a ndk written terminal emulator for debian/android Jul 12 20:15:24 Arakno: uh why lol Jul 12 20:15:37 AakashPatel: why not? Jul 12 20:15:40 :P Jul 12 20:15:42 bbl Jul 12 20:15:45 AakashPatel: cuz he wants to be c00l. Jul 12 20:15:53 im kewl! Jul 12 20:16:11 he wants to brag bout the awesomer super uber terminal written using the ndk Jul 12 20:16:16 epic phail Jul 12 20:16:16 i think i'll write it myself as soon as i get practised with the ndk Jul 12 20:16:31 ? Jul 12 20:16:37 ndk apps are written in c++ rite? Jul 12 20:16:38 do you know why the ndk is made? Jul 12 20:16:56 yeah im not an idiot lol Jul 12 20:16:57 Macer so if someone ordered on april 26th do you think theyll get it ? Jul 12 20:17:14 k4r1m: the reason for us to use the ndk instead of the sdk is simple Jul 12 20:17:23 not uber cool, but super easier Jul 12 20:17:26 i hate java Jul 12 20:17:38 lol me too im used to c/c++ Jul 12 20:17:40 and i think i'll never write a line of code of it in my life Jul 12 20:17:57 so, for a lot of programmers, then they made it Jul 12 20:18:12 im not writing any android apps till i see an android system injector though Jul 12 20:18:18 i need some hacks Jul 12 20:18:23 android system injector? Jul 12 20:18:25 what do you mean? Jul 12 20:18:28 Cyanogen's Rom + Hero's theme is a major winner Jul 12 20:18:37 stable and the sound is really crisp Jul 12 20:18:46 like a lib injector... u familiar with iphoneOS? Jul 12 20:18:56 not at all, i hate that phone Jul 12 20:19:01 what makes the sound crisp ? Jul 12 20:19:25 Arakno: an example would be the ability "hook" system methods Jul 12 20:19:37 shiznebit: i dont know how they did it but coming fom another build where when playin mp3s sound horrbile Jul 12 20:19:45 like when the user touches the notif bar or something Jul 12 20:20:04 not really interested in the user interface hooks Jul 12 20:20:09 the sound is crisp as in loud without distortation Jul 12 20:20:09 just gimme the machine Jul 12 20:20:27 and something which could run linux someway Jul 12 20:20:39 the rest i dont need Jul 12 20:20:41 Arakno: well the only type dev im interested in stuff that improves the user interface and without a way to hook things nothing can be improved that much Jul 12 20:21:14 yeah k4r1m i like to program and self-enjoy alternative and fancy ui Jul 12 20:21:16 on my desktop Jul 12 20:21:28 on a mtouch or something which my eyes could be happy from Jul 12 20:21:48 but anyway, thaz me, kinda out of the world here, dont worry Jul 12 20:22:08 im just so used it, the moment i started programing i started with hl2 server addons which basiclly changing the experince of the game without having to recompile the game Jul 12 20:22:17 i just love changing runtime stuff Jul 12 20:22:51 then i tried web coding which was a phail lol Jul 12 20:23:05 why was tetris pulled from market Jul 12 20:23:08 then iphoneOS, couldnt stand objective-c a single day Jul 12 20:23:19 worst language ever made Jul 12 20:23:27 isnlt tetris still copyrighted ? Jul 12 20:23:40 for iphoneos you intend that crappy freebsd/macosx stuff Jul 12 20:23:41 ? Jul 12 20:23:53 iphone os from stock? Jul 12 20:23:56 k4r1m: nofi, but that's a pretty bold statement for someone with your experience :) Jul 12 20:24:08 clearscreen: lol Jul 12 20:24:22 im not a serious programmer Jul 12 20:24:26 i just do shit for fun lol Jul 12 20:24:30 exactly my point ;) Jul 12 20:24:34 still a pure gamer Jul 12 20:25:12 than your a windows lover? Jul 12 20:25:20 i just couldnt adapt to the syntax of objective-c and just basiclly how you do things in that language Jul 12 20:25:27 no easy there Jul 12 20:25:44 i only run windows for gaming Jul 12 20:25:56 i still triple boot os x and ubuntu Jul 12 20:26:34 why ? Jul 12 20:26:38 i boot only debian Jul 12 20:26:49 everything not running on linux someway i wont use Jul 12 20:26:51 so games on wine Jul 12 20:26:59 if not, outta window Jul 12 20:27:06 shiznebit: wine cant handle cod4 and cs source the way i like it Jul 12 20:27:22 and the only reason i still have os x is because of my iphone Jul 12 20:27:30 and OS-x ? Jul 12 20:27:45 i just told u why Jul 12 20:27:48 wait what iphone ? Jul 12 20:27:55 iphone 3g lol? Jul 12 20:28:09 like that really matters Jul 12 20:28:11 lol Jul 12 20:28:14 yeah i know Jul 12 20:28:33 but apple doesn't hand out the sdk for non os x users Jul 12 20:28:41 and i couldnt manage to run it under a vm Jul 12 20:29:03 someone here is using JACHero 2.63 ? Jul 12 20:29:03 we dont blame you for being a iphone developer Jul 12 20:29:10 oh the iphone sdk Jul 12 20:29:17 lol i was* Jul 12 20:29:37 my first app was actually trying to make a android-like pattern lock Jul 12 20:29:59 it was good on the emulator but then it was so slow on the phone Jul 12 20:30:19 ok, i'll ask again, does anyone know something on a bash terminal written on ndk? Jul 12 20:30:27 is gonna make things easier for me Jul 12 20:31:26 tmzt: are you around? i got a question for you Jul 12 20:31:52 on JACHero 2.63 the homescreens are alway reloading, that sucks...someone knows about it? Jul 12 20:32:14 if you bought an app in the market and do a wipe what happens then? Jul 12 20:32:48 you can download it again Jul 12 20:32:59 i imagine its the same as on the iphone market, your account remembers you paid for it, and you can just redownload it Jul 12 20:33:01 you go to "my downloads" in the market after you log back into your google account Jul 12 20:33:29 ok thanks Jul 12 20:34:07 Anybody here know if the drivers in the SDK are XP or Vista specific? Jul 12 20:34:09 too bad you cant use paypal Jul 12 20:35:11 Remmon: i believe they will work with both, but 32bit only Jul 12 20:35:29 Gigawatts: last part is wrong lol Jul 12 20:35:34 there is 64bit drivers Jul 12 20:35:36 In that case, which device to install them over, on a Vista machine where the phone has already been connected. Jul 12 20:35:36 im using them ;] Jul 12 20:35:53 Because the obvious picks all don't seem to work Jul 12 20:36:12 Remmon: device manager under my computer... should be called "Android device bus" Jul 12 20:36:14 well, i hunted for adb vista 64bit drivers, and the only ones i could find were unsigned, which windows 7 bitch about Jul 12 20:36:33 Gigawatts: i got `em from the sdk lol Jul 12 20:36:43 hmm Jul 12 20:36:45 the amd64 folder Jul 12 20:36:52 signed? Jul 12 20:36:57 nope lol Jul 12 20:37:32 i remember getting an error saying its not signed but i could be wrong Jul 12 20:37:45 I seem have to buggered it then, can't find a device with that name (Or for that matter, anything similar) Jul 12 20:38:42 Remmon: if its not on the top of the list in the device manager it might be under the universal bus thingy category Jul 12 20:39:51 Gigawatts: since i could not use vista x64 i just used vmware and 32bit xp Jul 12 20:39:56 There's an HTC Android Phone USB Device under the disk drives, Jul 12 20:40:20 nope Jul 12 20:40:25 should be called ADB interface Jul 12 20:40:42 No such device Jul 12 20:41:00 dont know man Jul 12 20:41:53 Anyone here have HTC Magic? Jul 12 20:42:00 I do Jul 12 20:42:02 Me Jul 12 20:42:15 Having some issues atm though Jul 12 20:42:35 Anyone from "Magicians" :P used Connectbot? Jul 12 20:42:42 is it good with virtual keyboard? Jul 12 20:42:54 ? Jul 12 20:43:04 connectbot = ssh client Jul 12 20:43:08 ok Jul 12 20:43:17 damn I need to install that Jul 12 20:43:46 htchero: is it possible to send ctrl+D e.g with connectbot? Jul 12 20:43:50 very good ssh client on G1, but I need some experience with that from users with virtual keyboard Jul 12 20:44:09 it depends on the virtual keyboard I guess Jul 12 20:44:13 let me try to install it Jul 12 20:44:25 I dont know, I dont have android yet, but I heard taht connectbot rocks Jul 12 20:44:25 htchero: I've used it, but don't seem to send commands like that Jul 12 20:44:53 y, try to install Jul 12 20:45:02 htchero, with virual keyboard it works too Jul 12 20:45:22 sure, but it works too it not enough for me :P Jul 12 20:45:59 I wanna hear that it is nicely controllable Jul 12 20:46:01 htchero, yeah with hard keyboard its faster with the input. but just with virtual keyboard it works for me too Jul 12 20:46:12 hmm Jul 12 20:46:15 :( Jul 12 20:46:50 I wanna great ssh device. Jul 12 20:47:04 G1 is it, but Hero has much greater chasis :P Jul 12 20:47:27 i use ssh all the time on my computer... can't find a reason to have it on my phone lol but thats just me Jul 12 20:47:42 and i want that JACHero 2.63 don't reload the homescreens all the time!!! Jul 12 20:47:50 well, imagine that you dont have a laptop and you travel a lot Jul 12 20:48:37 yeah i guess Jul 12 20:48:58 Well ssh works from here Jul 12 20:49:17 lol just did a nandroid restore and its asking me for a pattern lock Jul 12 20:49:17 Hero is way better in most of aspects but keyboard. :( Jul 12 20:49:20 i have forgot it! Jul 12 20:49:23 i love my htc magic :) Jul 12 20:49:29 Why they didnt put there hw keyboard :( Jul 12 20:49:43 The Hero has a great touchscreen keyboard Jul 12 20:49:56 because the software one is better? Jul 12 20:50:02 any way to get past lock pattern? Jul 12 20:50:07 O_o Jul 12 20:50:12 reset it or something using adb? Jul 12 20:50:19 doesn't matter cuz Im going to flash it with standart rom.... I dont like HTC Hero ROM Jul 12 20:50:30 so I will get old android virt. keyboard Jul 12 20:50:46 lol what?? Jul 12 20:50:54 The Hero is the best OS so far Jul 12 20:51:10 I dont like Sense UI at all Jul 12 20:51:15 It's just a piece of awesomness Jul 12 20:51:45 and the touch screen is waayyyy better than the Magic build Jul 12 20:51:51 shit lol im screwed Jul 12 20:52:08 ehm? touch screen is the same as magic/g1 no? Jul 12 20:52:12 better in what? Jul 12 20:52:15 htchero: hell no Jul 12 20:52:17 sensitivity? Jul 12 20:52:22 htchero: it's a learning machine Jul 12 20:52:27 htchero: no comparison Jul 12 20:52:36 what do you mean with learning machine? Jul 12 20:52:46 the thing learns the offset in your fingers Jul 12 20:52:50 when you type Jul 12 20:53:31 hero is slow and buggy Jul 12 20:53:46 it's not slow here Jul 12 20:53:46 but you are talking about typing now, tell me about touch screen Jul 12 20:54:01 why touch screen is better Jul 12 20:54:11 is it more sensitive? Jul 12 20:54:30 it has good sensitivity Jul 12 20:54:42 it's quite responsive Jul 12 20:54:46 have you tried touch screen of G1/Magic? Jul 12 20:54:55 I have a Magic Jul 12 20:55:01 I cant avoid the touch screen Jul 12 20:55:07 aaahaaaa Jul 12 20:55:11 you are talking about magic Jul 12 20:55:13 I installed the Hero build on it Jul 12 20:55:37 htchero: my device = HTC Magic WITH Hero rom Jul 12 20:55:46 best combo so far Jul 12 20:55:48 y I understand now Jul 12 20:56:08 have you tried touch screen of iphone? Jul 12 20:56:22 hmm no Jul 12 20:56:35 but I tried the blackberry touch screen, and it sucked Jul 12 20:56:37 wanna hear a comparison :P, which one is better : Jul 12 20:57:02 I can only compare blackberry, magic and hero now Jul 12 20:57:12 Hero is best Jul 12 20:57:40 hm Jul 12 20:57:51 I dont think the iphone has a much better touch screen, the Hero is good enough for me Jul 12 20:58:02 I didnt say that Jul 12 20:58:08 G1 > Hero Jul 12 20:58:11 keyboard ftw Jul 12 20:58:16 Im pretty sure that they are same, hero and iphone touch screens Jul 12 20:58:23 I am curious how the iphone does though Jul 12 20:58:24 y, keyboard ftw Jul 12 20:58:31 but hero rocks with chasis :P Jul 12 20:59:13 I dont like the G1 Jul 12 20:59:20 too big Jul 12 20:59:35 and I am not sure about the advantage of a physical keyboard Jul 12 20:59:35 twois10: yeah, thats what im doing right now, i have virtual xp mode installed in the win 7 rc with adb drivers Jul 12 21:01:16 wingless: have you tried the Hero Jul 12 21:01:28 nope not yet Jul 12 21:02:01 Anyone know of a free screenshot app for a rooted G1? Jul 12 21:02:02 the only bad thing about G1 is the material Jul 12 21:02:12 it easily gets broken Jul 12 21:02:31 yeah, hence why I didnt buy it Jul 12 21:02:41 it easily gets broken <-- 3 days ago it fell off my hand... not a scratch Jul 12 21:02:50 I dont like moving parts Jul 12 21:02:54 (without any protection) Jul 12 21:03:52 Tiibiidii: my G1's camera cover (that tiny plastic) got cracked by itself Jul 12 21:03:58 The magic feels good in the hand Jul 12 21:04:07 not too thin, not too thick Jul 12 21:04:07 I would take a screenshot via ddms, but is giving me some problems, which I suspect are due to me running 64bit Linux. http://paste.ubuntu.com/216452/ Jul 12 21:05:00 Tiibiidii: my G1's camera cover (that tiny plastic) got cracked by itself <-- uh, i hope mine won't Jul 12 21:05:35 The only thing I dont like is that it gets fingerprints easily Jul 12 21:06:14 very easily Jul 12 21:06:43 * outtolunc wishes the camera was .5" more to the center as every time i bring up camera/video.. my fat finger is in the view Jul 12 21:09:32 I love that camera Jul 12 21:09:43 whats there to love? Jul 12 21:10:05 The pictures are better than with my other camera Jul 12 21:12:10 uh, i missed something Jul 12 21:12:22 ur not talking about the g1 cam, right? Jul 12 21:12:26 no Jul 12 21:12:28 lol Jul 12 21:12:34 yeah, got confused, sorry Jul 12 21:17:10 Anyone has a link for toolchain instructions with autoconf ? Jul 12 21:18:47 hi all Jul 12 21:19:23 yooo Jul 12 21:20:28 i think im addicted to irc Jul 12 21:20:38 really cant get enough of it Jul 12 21:20:55 anyone on rogers successfully get WiFi tether working? Jul 12 21:21:10 facelessloser: we all are Jul 12 21:21:17 network shouldnt affect tether should it Jul 12 21:21:39 i know i really didnt want to go befor but my wife wanted me to go on yo vill on facebook Jul 12 21:21:39 I keep getting a failed error about iptables or needing to upgrade kernel ver Jul 12 21:21:42 it really did suck Jul 12 21:22:01 depends on the rom dont it? Jul 12 21:22:16 maybeh Jul 12 21:22:18 jpa--: did that link i gave you work? Jul 12 21:23:17 tommybres, different phones with diferrent radios and kernel versions are floating around. so far I'm unable to get tethering to work on any roms I've tried Jul 12 21:23:40 ah, so youre talking about the rogers branded dream Jul 12 21:23:51 aakash, which link was that? Jul 12 21:24:08 rogers magic Jul 12 21:24:14 when you said anyone on rogers, they could be using an adp on it, thats why i was confused Jul 12 21:24:36 jpa--: the kernel upgrade link haha Jul 12 21:24:38 what exactly does that mean? Jul 12 21:24:41 for andorid wifi tehter Jul 12 21:24:47 <`vip> what is an "android ambassador?" my friend works for t-mobile here in Georgia, she got a mytouch 3g yesterday, because she's the "android ambassador" of that store ... messed with it today, much lighter than the G1 Jul 12 21:25:09 nice Jul 12 21:25:11 lol Jul 12 21:25:13 oh right. that link says specifically not to do it on the HTC magic Jul 12 21:25:25 i am da ambassador of deh androidz Jul 12 21:25:46 * TommyBres ambassads his adp Jul 12 21:25:49 oh Jul 12 21:25:53 jpa--: i see Jul 12 21:26:00 my life be like Jul 12 21:26:02 I'm the sultan of androids for rogers Jul 12 21:26:22 then you're out of luck lol Jul 12 21:26:30 rTk_cool: im listening to that right now lol Jul 12 21:26:37 haha Jul 12 21:26:38 When I bought my phone, the lady who helped me was really trying to push the HTCs forward, she was saying that the iphone is not as great Jul 12 21:27:01 She told me she went to a training on the HTC, to present it to the customers better Jul 12 21:27:11 heh Jul 12 21:27:16 vip; ya its super sleak and light Jul 12 21:27:22 i dont think they're supoposed to tell you that haha Jul 12 21:27:54 AakashPatel: she didnt tell me explicitely, but she was talkative enough for me to figure it out Jul 12 21:27:57 it's pretty rad, wonder if it's gots hero Jul 12 21:28:00 they're definitely not. total breach of her CLA Jul 12 21:29:19 I'm still impressed with this fatal1ty hero Rom for the magic. surprisingly fast. Jul 12 21:29:21 <`vip> so anyone going to get Hero, on T-Mo UK? Jul 12 21:29:23 dream>mytouch Jul 12 21:29:43 dream>touchingmyself Jul 12 21:29:50 I dont like the design of the Dream Jul 12 21:29:52 thats nice of you Jul 12 21:29:52 and ibm.... is this the full rosie ui? Jul 12 21:30:11 not sure about what it's got in the guts though Jul 12 21:30:24 im looking for that now Jul 12 21:30:39 I thought the hardware spec were lower also Jul 12 21:30:43 HTC dream has 98know less of Rom Jul 12 21:31:14 way too bulky of a device for me... its kinda huge Jul 12 21:31:27 it's a fucking fridge Jul 12 21:31:28 dream? Jul 12 21:31:31 yeah Jul 12 21:31:36 haha Jul 12 21:31:56 i like dream keyboard better Jul 12 21:32:00 but i like the bigger keys on mytouch Jul 12 21:32:06 jpa, depends on which model of magic Jul 12 21:32:23 rogers/vodafone magic, same ram/rom as dream Jul 12 21:32:26 you laugh, but have you had the pleasure of holding a magic/mytouch? Jul 12 21:32:34 TommyBres: lol what Jul 12 21:32:36 unbranded htc magic, more ram/rom Jul 12 21:32:57 TommyBres: I strongly disagree, I have a lot of ram Jul 12 21:32:59 TommyBres: ? Jul 12 21:32:59 uhmm, mytouch doesn't have the t-mobile wireless jawn does it Jul 12 21:33:01 where Jul 12 21:33:02 i want Jul 12 21:33:04 lol Jul 12 21:33:13 zelrikriando how much ram do you have Jul 12 21:33:19 TommyBres: 288 Jul 12 21:33:29 how do you know that Jul 12 21:33:37 yes, how? Jul 12 21:33:39 TommyBres: because I am runing the Hero on it Jul 12 21:33:42 cat /proc/meminfo Jul 12 21:33:43 so? Jul 12 21:33:47 same Jul 12 21:34:01 lol i can run hero on my dream Jul 12 21:34:09 same Jul 12 21:34:09 I couldnt run it well if it was with less ram Jul 12 21:34:12 it's fulent too Jul 12 21:34:13 what does that have to do with it Jul 12 21:34:14 TommyBres: mine is snapy Jul 12 21:34:20 ok? Jul 12 21:34:21 I bet it runs like shit Jul 12 21:34:29 jpa dont talk Jul 12 21:34:33 u dont' know how to partition an sd card Jul 12 21:34:40 sorry. Jul 12 21:34:46 I do Jul 12 21:35:07 I have the 32A board Jul 12 21:35:11 wait a sec Jul 12 21:35:13 mytouch Jul 12 21:35:21 isn't that the magic Jul 12 21:35:31 yeah i thougth so Jul 12 21:35:38 Haha sorry I'm not a tech geek yet and this phone is my first time ever needing an as card man. Jul 12 21:35:40 it is Jul 12 21:35:43 whats the one with the keyboard and the rotating screen Jul 12 21:35:51 lol u pretentious fuck Jul 12 21:35:55 but the magic has the 32A and 32B board Jul 12 21:36:09 I have the more powerful one Jul 12 21:36:09 and jpa i dont know how it runs, ive never bothered Jul 12 21:36:10 sorry Jul 12 21:36:51 does anyone know how to turn the notifactions off on the g1 Jul 12 21:37:30 i'd like a dream phone with a rotating screen so u can flip it up a little bit, skinnier and more screen with a higher res. Jul 12 21:38:07 so you want a sidekick Jul 12 21:38:23 rTk_cool: I'd like a pony. Jul 12 21:38:24 huh Jul 12 21:38:28 :D Jul 12 21:38:31 i want nothing like a sidekick Jul 12 21:38:48 G1 is like a sidekick Jul 12 21:38:49 i want a slimmer dream with a bigger screen and more rom and a faster fpu Jul 12 21:38:49 cpu Jul 12 21:38:56 lol you said screen flips up, rotating Jul 12 21:39:03 ok here is the proof http://www.htc.com/ca/product/rogersmagic/specification.html Jul 12 21:39:15 and thinner because of it, and with this keyboard Jul 12 21:39:16 That the rogers magic is awesome Jul 12 21:39:29 288 ram Jul 12 21:39:30 thats it Jul 12 21:39:30 ok nub, the vodafone ones are crippled Jul 12 21:39:30 ? Jul 12 21:39:49 rTk_cool: that's the highest there is for the magic Jul 12 21:39:51 oh and that newer dream has to have the t-mobile wireless telephone shit Jul 12 21:40:01 oh, what? Magic has 288 ram? Jul 12 21:40:08 i understand but they should boost that shit to atleast 512 Jul 12 21:40:12 I thinked that they have only 196 Jul 12 21:40:15 or 192 Jul 12 21:40:17 htchero: it depends which model Jul 12 21:40:25 :O Jul 12 21:40:30 and it's 'thought' Jul 12 21:40:37 cool Jul 12 21:40:38 yeah the vodafone ones have 192 Jul 12 21:40:53 rogers ones have 288 Jul 12 21:41:14 yeah Jul 12 21:41:39 http://www.htc.com/ca/product/rogersdream/specification.html, rogers but still only 192 :( Jul 12 21:41:59 ya thats the dream Jul 12 21:42:04 the rogers magic has 288mb Jul 12 21:42:10 yep, I wanna dream with 288 Jul 12 21:42:12 I know Jul 12 21:42:17 which is why i exchanged my dream for the magic Jul 12 21:42:19 I just checked the Magic Vodafone sucks Jul 12 21:42:52 The dream has lower spec no matter what Jul 12 21:42:55 it's old stuff :p Jul 12 21:42:58 obviously Jul 12 21:43:20 i want a ferrari with a v32 Jul 12 21:43:32 impossible Jul 12 21:43:36 no Jul 12 21:43:41 lol Jul 12 21:43:47 is it noticeable difference in performance? 192 vs 288? Jul 12 21:43:58 probably runs hero much nicer Jul 12 21:43:58 i noticed it Jul 12 21:44:05 its not huge Jul 12 21:44:07 without having to use a linux-swap Jul 12 21:44:07 htchero: one will run the Hero interface well, the other not Jul 12 21:44:19 aaha Jul 12 21:44:20 lol Jul 12 21:44:21 pure speculation Jul 12 21:44:22 idiot Jul 12 21:44:23 zelrikriando: nah ive seen hero on some dreams Jul 12 21:44:27 just really slow Jul 12 21:44:38 hero has 512 ram Jul 12 21:44:45 jpa--: that's just what I said Jul 12 21:44:47 no it doesnt lulz Jul 12 21:44:54 sure does Jul 12 21:45:00 fayk Jul 12 21:45:02 ahaha Jul 12 21:45:02 512 rom maybe Jul 12 21:45:03 288 Jul 12 21:45:05 myy badd Jul 12 21:45:14 zelrikriando: haha my bad, misread Jul 12 21:45:26 har Jul 12 21:45:27 har Jul 12 21:45:37 it's like "hey my phone has 2Go Ram Jul 12 21:45:38 like Jul 12 21:45:38 lol Jul 12 21:45:44 :D Jul 12 21:45:52 my phone has 16gb of ram Jul 12 21:45:53 if the hero's screen slid out and had a nicely proportion'd keyboard under there i'd be happy Jul 12 21:45:53 lol Jul 12 21:45:59 its in the sdcard Jul 12 21:46:23 blah blah blah i read it from google then i clicked Jul 12 21:46:37 i couldnt go back to not having a keyboard. im not really feeling the android on screen keyboard, the iphone was really good Jul 12 21:46:39 unh huh Jul 12 21:47:03 facelessloser: I am doing pretty well with it Jul 12 21:47:07 i concour Jul 12 21:47:11 concur Jul 12 21:47:28 with facelessloser. Jul 12 21:47:28 i quit on screen keyboard Jul 12 21:47:30 I think the crapiest deal would be the lower spec Magic Jul 12 21:47:36 no keyboard and no Hero Jul 12 21:47:46 i probily could too if i didnt use my keyboard all the time Jul 12 21:47:48 planed screwing Jul 12 21:48:13 i use it when i cant be bothered to pull out the keyboard Jul 12 21:48:43 i do like the number pad on screen keyboard, good for typing ip addresses and such Jul 12 21:48:48 duh Jul 12 21:48:51 thats a phone Jul 12 21:48:52 yeha Jul 12 21:49:20 when the keyboard is out people keep asking me if it is my phone or something else Jul 12 21:49:45 does anyone here have any knowledge of akmd process on the g1? Jul 12 21:50:38 I wonder if they ll ever come up with an iphone with a physical keyboard Jul 12 21:50:42 im off to bed, need to get up at 5 for work Jul 12 21:50:56 haha doubtful on the iphone w/ keyboard Jul 12 21:51:01 Iyeah Jul 12 21:51:05 if they were gonna do that, probably woulda been this year Jul 12 21:51:14 it would not look sleek enough Jul 12 21:51:18 for the Apple brand Jul 12 21:51:27 im surprised they left the design the exact same though for the 3gs Jul 12 21:51:29 not very exciting update Jul 12 21:52:01 The iphone looks like shit Jul 12 21:52:08 I dont like it Jul 12 21:52:40 same Jul 12 21:52:51 when it first came out, i was mildly impressed with the sleak build of it Jul 12 21:52:57 love the simcard tray idea Jul 12 21:53:02 can remove simcard without taking apart your phone Jul 12 21:53:04 or even turning it off Jul 12 21:53:26 other than that.. now it's just another touchscreen phone with a pretty boring interface imo Jul 12 21:53:33 just a bunch of icons.... Jul 12 21:56:56 lol Jul 12 21:56:58 i hate that Jul 12 21:57:06 im like where's ur weather widget Jul 12 21:57:54 can u change ur background Jul 12 21:57:59 for my lock screen? Jul 12 21:58:01 no like behind ur icons Jul 12 21:58:06 uhh, i don't think so Jul 12 21:58:07 oh Jul 12 21:58:19 can u rearrange ur icons and only have like 4 on a screen Jul 12 21:58:22 uhh Jul 12 21:58:22 no Jul 12 21:58:26 cool ur phone sucks Jul 12 21:58:38 hahaha Jul 12 21:58:50 my roommate is still all about his iphone Jul 12 21:58:57 im like lemme see? Jul 12 21:59:02 oh cool, you have more icons now.. neat Jul 12 21:59:25 lol Jul 12 21:59:28 The iPhone has two flaws: no hardware keyboard, and the App Store being the only legitimate source of software on the platform. Jul 12 21:59:40 i dont mind no hard keyboard Jul 12 21:59:41 hence i have an htc magic Jul 12 21:59:43 .... Jul 12 21:59:51 you didnt mention no multi tasking Jul 12 22:00:12 oh ya true Jul 12 22:00:17 Mostly because I'd forgotten, but now that I think of it, that's flaw number three. Jul 12 22:00:21 one big thing iphone does well Jul 12 22:00:21 is tethering Jul 12 22:00:30 turn on internet tethering Jul 12 22:00:36 and you can connect via wifi, usb, or bluetooth no problem Jul 12 22:00:46 stupid androids are kinda hardup on the tethering front so far Jul 12 22:00:47 It's not bad, it's just that it doesn't really fit my idea of a usable PDA, phone or whatever it is. Jul 12 22:00:50 still have yet to successfully tether Jul 12 22:01:49 jpa-- winmo has been doing that forever Jul 12 22:02:14 and ive tethered successfully, just get anetshare Jul 12 22:02:29 i have it Jul 12 22:02:39 ...wheres the problem Jul 12 22:02:55 ive tried that and wifi tether for root users Jul 12 22:03:00 my hero rom has tether on it Jul 12 22:03:03 on linnix? Jul 12 22:03:08 no, winxp Jul 12 22:03:11 i get about 200kb Jul 12 22:03:23 oh xp wont connect to the adhoc network for me Jul 12 22:03:25 I should try tethering Jul 12 22:03:27 not sure.. wifi tether log shows an error something about iptables and needing to update kernel version Jul 12 22:03:34 i hopped on ubuntu and it worked fine Jul 12 22:03:37 something about "need insmod?" Jul 12 22:03:37 or something Jul 12 22:03:45 zelrikriando: could you? just to see if it works for you? Jul 12 22:03:48 get rid of fucking windows Jul 12 22:03:49 we seem to have the same phone Jul 12 22:03:55 bah Jul 12 22:03:57 jpa--: not the same OS though Jul 12 22:04:02 yarrr Jul 12 22:04:08 what OS you on? Jul 12 22:04:12 ubuntu Jul 12 22:04:17 hrmm Jul 12 22:04:20 might just go download that Jul 12 22:04:26 like i said jpa-- it worked for me only on ubuntu, not winxp Jul 12 22:04:37 i've dual-booted before Jul 12 22:04:38 might as well do it again Jul 12 22:04:39 it's part of Google's evil plan to get rid of windows Jul 12 22:04:39 :D Jul 12 22:04:44 lol Jul 12 22:05:01 hrmm Jul 12 22:05:13 is ubuntu free Jul 12 22:05:15 i don't even remember what version of ubuntu i had working on this piece of shit laptop Jul 12 22:05:16 yes Jul 12 22:05:21 of course it is Jul 12 22:05:29 you can just download it and boot it off a usb thumbdrive or born a cd Jul 12 22:05:42 i like the interface Jul 12 22:05:54 ahh shit they split it up into desktop/server/laptop edition? Jul 12 22:05:54 err Jul 12 22:05:55 "notebook" Jul 12 22:05:59 err nvm Jul 12 22:06:00 netbook Jul 12 22:06:09 obviously i get desktop version, even if im on a laptop, right? Jul 12 22:06:09 heh Jul 12 22:06:10 heh Jul 12 22:06:13 right Jul 12 22:06:16 does it run faster then xp u think Jul 12 22:06:19 lol Jul 12 22:06:20 yesh Jul 12 22:06:21 my computer isn't all too fast Jul 12 22:06:23 yeah Jul 12 22:06:28 can i have both Jul 12 22:06:28 it'll run faster Jul 12 22:06:31 yes Jul 12 22:06:33 ubuntu is surely faster than xp Jul 12 22:06:35 i have a crappy old toshiba satellite laptop from like 2002 Jul 12 22:06:36 dual boot Jul 12 22:06:40 really Jul 12 22:06:42 yes Jul 12 22:06:43 realy Jul 12 22:06:45 even if i have an older computer Jul 12 22:06:47 ....yesss Jul 12 22:06:47 YES Jul 12 22:06:49 LOL Jul 12 22:06:53 jesus Jul 12 22:06:55 someone hook me up with the link Jul 12 22:06:59 last ubuntu version i tried was hardy heron Jul 12 22:07:00 ubuntu.com Jul 12 22:07:01 i hear all good things about ubuntu Jul 12 22:07:01 god Jul 12 22:07:03 :P Jul 12 22:07:03 www.google.com Jul 12 22:07:07 hhaha Jul 12 22:07:08 search ubuntu Jul 12 22:07:08 ok ok Jul 12 22:07:09 newb Jul 12 22:07:15 ill pwn you Jul 12 22:07:17 wow, and you were talking shit to me? Jul 12 22:07:18 k Jul 12 22:07:20 i already did Jul 12 22:07:21 no Jul 12 22:07:26 just didn't know if there were better versions Jul 12 22:07:26 jpa--: to him Jul 12 22:07:27 lol Jul 12 22:07:28 i may not know directly how to partition an sd card Jul 12 22:07:40 but i sure as shit know that ubuntu is free Jul 12 22:07:42 is there anything i should know before doing this Jul 12 22:07:45 get a partition utility Jul 12 22:07:49 yea theres ubuntu desktop edition professional Jul 12 22:07:50 yes.. you're going to break your computer Jul 12 22:07:50 haha Jul 12 22:07:59 newb Jul 12 22:08:01 thats a possiblity Jul 12 22:08:10 l.o.l. Jul 12 22:08:19 really? Jul 12 22:08:24 no Jul 12 22:08:25 i've just never used it Jul 12 22:08:27 stfu and do it Jul 12 22:08:31 lol ok Jul 12 22:08:32 :P Jul 12 22:08:35 i gotta save it to a cd right Jul 12 22:08:42 rTk_cool: if you can then you dont deserve a comp Jul 12 22:08:44 no Jul 12 22:08:44 or usb stick Jul 12 22:09:00 true Jul 12 22:09:01 rTk_cool: if you use a sd you have to burn the iso to it Jul 12 22:09:10 which isnt just dragin the ISO to the disk :P Jul 12 22:09:17 lulz Jul 12 22:09:25 lol damn you Jul 12 22:09:25 get a liveusb utility Jul 12 22:09:30 does it in 2 mins Jul 12 22:09:36 ^^ Jul 12 22:10:00 theres one for fedora that works with all distros Jul 12 22:10:12 lol then it wouldnt be for fedora Jul 12 22:10:14 haha Jul 12 22:10:31 its specifically called fedora 9 liveusb Jul 12 22:10:55 so how bout u just tell me the fastest way to get from xp to ubuntu while keeping xp Jul 12 22:10:57 made for fedora, advertised for fedora, compatible with all Jul 12 22:11:15 rtk_cool figure it out on your own or ask in #ubuntu Jul 12 22:11:19 yeah thanks Jul 12 22:11:33 :P Jul 12 22:11:40 heh Jul 12 22:12:05 rTk_cool: okay i take that back about changing your nick Jul 12 22:12:12 change it back, suites you better hah Jul 12 22:12:13 bahahah Jul 12 22:12:20 er wut Jul 12 22:12:31 it waslike mylasthopesinyou Jul 12 22:12:33 or something Jul 12 22:12:38 hahahahhaahahshhfhjdkcvnfjhei Jul 12 22:12:47 i didnt know that was this guy Jul 12 22:12:52 haha yea Jul 12 22:14:13 ahhhhh Jul 12 22:14:16 my toof hurts Jul 12 22:14:16 k im out Jul 12 22:14:21 take it easy Jul 12 22:14:24 cya Jul 12 22:19:28 blah Jul 12 22:19:36 halb Jul 12 22:20:20 abhl Jul 12 22:28:13 lol Macer they just added the HD version of that enron movie to boxee Jul 12 22:28:50 oh wait Jul 12 22:28:52 they ddint Jul 12 22:28:53 haha Jul 12 22:28:55 it was my own copy Jul 12 22:29:02 ....how did it find it o.O Jul 12 22:31:45 i can't wait for ubuntu tomorrow Jul 12 22:31:53 with xfce maybe Jul 12 22:33:23 ? Jul 12 22:33:26 why tmorrow Jul 12 22:33:29 do it NOW Jul 12 22:33:35 or go buy a mac :D Jul 12 22:33:37 cant wait for ubuntu? whats happeneing tomorrow? Jul 12 22:35:06 well Jul 12 22:35:15 i did not know that pakistan means land of pure Jul 12 22:35:19 or pure land Jul 12 22:35:24 orly? Jul 12 22:35:31 paki = pure stan = land Jul 12 22:35:31 i didnt know either lol Jul 12 22:35:35 BUT Jul 12 22:35:41 BUTT Jul 12 22:35:42 it is offensive to call a pakistani.. a paki :) Jul 12 22:35:47 lol Jul 12 22:35:49 dur Jul 12 22:35:54 i guess calling a person paki is like calling a black person a nigger or smoething Jul 12 22:36:04 durh Jul 12 22:36:11 i don't understand it because pure is not an offensive word Jul 12 22:36:15 well Jul 12 22:36:18 bleh Jul 12 22:36:33 whereas the word nigger has a dictionary definition of offense Jul 12 22:36:36 first of all Jul 12 22:36:38 i'd never buy a mac Jul 12 22:36:44 2nd, i have shit to do today Jul 12 22:36:45 cuz you have no money? Jul 12 22:36:46 haha Jul 12 22:36:49 no Jul 12 22:36:54 and ironically enough. most people associate the word nigger with black people and that isn't what the word means at all.. :) Jul 12 22:36:59 i'd build my own computer Jul 12 22:37:03 Macer: definition? Jul 12 22:37:05 black people suck anyway Jul 12 22:37:10 rofl Jul 12 22:37:24 nah not really Jul 12 22:37:27 but i wouldn't be black Jul 12 22:37:28 it means subclass.. people who are constantly oppressed Jul 12 22:37:34 oh Jul 12 22:37:42 thats not offensive :P Jul 12 22:37:44 its the truth! Jul 12 22:37:46 haha Jul 12 22:37:47 ouch Jul 12 22:37:54 l8tr Jul 12 22:37:57 cya Jul 12 22:38:13 Macer: when you think you're gonna get your arm book sht Jul 12 22:38:18 AakashPatel: yes Jul 12 22:38:22 WHEN Jul 12 22:38:36 Used as a disparaging term for a member of any socially, economically, or politically deprived group of people. Jul 12 22:38:49 hm Jul 12 22:38:49 the word originally meant that Jul 12 22:38:53 sounds likea black man to me Jul 12 22:38:55 but i guess since its association to racism Jul 12 22:39:00 AakashPatel: that's not true though Jul 12 22:39:06 ? Jul 12 22:39:09 im kidding :P Jul 12 22:39:10 haven't you ever heard teh saying, "Women are the niggers of the world." Jul 12 22:39:20 lol no Jul 12 22:39:36 mah daddy says tuh neva say dat word Jul 12 22:39:42 heh. well. nigger was originally not a word of offense towards blacks in general Jul 12 22:39:56 it was an offensive word to all people that were not part of the majority ;) Jul 12 22:40:33 Macer areyou a nigger Jul 12 22:40:38 :) Jul 12 22:40:43 naw.. i'm a spic :) Jul 12 22:40:47 don't knwo where that one came from Jul 12 22:40:47 haha Jul 12 22:40:52 haha Jul 12 22:41:02 im a nigger Jul 12 22:41:07 if we used the old def ;) Jul 12 22:41:45 no you aren't liar Jul 12 22:41:53 yessuh Jul 12 22:41:57 your family is one of the rich castes Jul 12 22:42:04 ...so Jul 12 22:42:08 in amerika i iz Jul 12 22:42:11 so you are not socially deprived Jul 12 22:42:13 no you're not Jul 12 22:42:16 :P Jul 12 22:42:17 you said you were upper middle class Jul 12 22:42:18 :) Jul 12 22:42:18 :P Jul 12 22:42:21 haha fine Jul 12 22:42:30 i meant a minority Jul 12 22:42:33 but i guess okay Jul 12 22:43:13 nigger != minority ... nigger = socially deprived minority :) Jul 12 22:43:19 fineeee Jul 12 22:43:37 then my neighors in india are niggers :) Jul 12 22:43:46 so it is safe to say that a lot of white people fall into the class of "nigger" Jul 12 22:43:50 i know i used that right, so stfu Jul 12 22:43:52 lol Jul 12 22:44:07 Macer: you just got me a new arguement to use that word agains white people Jul 12 22:44:09 :P Jul 12 22:44:19 so from now on when i see a poor and socially deprived white person i am going to call them a nigger :) Jul 12 22:44:19 agasint* Jul 12 22:44:34 well... white people don't have many offensive names associated to them Jul 12 22:44:35 :) Jul 12 22:44:45 cracker isnt offensive at all Jul 12 22:45:00 yeah Jul 12 22:45:04 and honky? Jul 12 22:45:08 never understood that one Jul 12 22:45:51 nor is it as offensive as most other racial remarks :) i dno't understand why slurs associated to non-whites carry such taboo and slurs against whites are not as offensive it seems Jul 12 22:46:06 haha Jul 12 22:46:23 guess that is how things are when you run the world :) Jul 12 22:46:41 ahh shit Jul 12 22:46:44 bleh im gonna work on that audio streaming shit Jul 12 22:46:47 yeah Jul 12 22:46:54 im gonna have to reinstall the android sdk and everything once i dual-boot ubuntu Jul 12 22:46:57 i'm going to take a nap and pray my touch book actually gets here some time this year Jul 12 22:46:58 lol Jul 12 22:47:04 haha Jul 12 22:47:05 jpa--: don't dual boot Jul 12 22:47:14 use a vm or vbox or something Jul 12 22:47:24 dual-booting is like.. ugh Jul 12 22:47:31 Macer: im on a toshiba satellite laptop (propreitary hardware and shit) Jul 12 22:48:19 really old thing Jul 12 22:48:34 i dont really have an option but to leave windows on here Jul 12 22:48:39 buffers my ass Jul 12 22:48:41 this is live audio Jul 12 22:54:28 jpa--: uhm Jul 12 22:54:44 last time i checked linux has like 286 support Jul 12 22:54:45 haha Jul 12 22:54:56 just give up windows altogether Jul 12 22:55:06 if it's old hardware linux or something else might run better anyways Jul 12 22:55:09 ive tried to do that twice now Jul 12 22:55:15 there are small things that bring me back to windows Jul 12 22:55:17 like fbsd and blackbox :) Jul 12 22:55:23 like? Jul 12 22:55:25 i like to switch back and forth Jul 12 22:55:43 if it's that old then get a netbook or something Jul 12 22:55:52 300$ and better :) Jul 12 22:56:05 or do like me and get a touch book that you won't get until next year after you preorder Jul 12 22:56:12 guitar tuner, stuff with my psp, n64 emulation Jul 12 22:56:52 iphone Jul 12 22:57:15 but once i can get tethering workong properly on my htc magic.. i won't need to touch an iphone ever again Jul 12 22:57:41 * GenericNode hiccups Jul 12 23:05:28 welp Jul 12 23:05:31 going to do it Jul 12 23:05:50 going to install cygwin on this damn thing Jul 12 23:07:37 is there an app which allows me to change my location on the phone? Jul 12 23:07:44 yes Jul 12 23:08:00 mock location which overrides gsm/gps? Jul 12 23:08:23 hack the planet Jul 12 23:09:58 there is no such app Jul 12 23:13:09 well somebody really needs to create it before the gibson takes over Jul 12 23:16:42 java.io.IOException: could not create audio stream from input stream Jul 12 23:16:44 aww Jul 12 23:23:35 wtf Jul 12 23:23:39 why is this harder than i want Jul 12 23:23:45 the concept is soo simple Jul 12 23:24:02 dude Jul 12 23:24:09 you still tryin gto spy on your gf's phone? Jul 12 23:24:26 yea Jul 12 23:24:29 haha Jul 12 23:24:30 haha Jul 12 23:24:31 ha Jul 12 23:24:34 damn. Jul 12 23:24:44 GenericNode - fun fact: "Hackers" was based on my dad's exploits. Jul 12 23:24:49 a buddy of mine a long time ago said that "wonder" spelled backwards is "Red Now!" Jul 12 23:24:50 Macer: learn java for me and finishthis haha Jul 12 23:24:51 Unofficially, anyway. Jul 12 23:24:56 because if you wonder. then the red flag should come up Jul 12 23:25:02 haha Jul 12 23:25:03 so just dump her if it's that serious :) Jul 12 23:25:46 anyone trying to get aircrack working in android? Jul 12 23:27:16 Macer: hahah wtf Jul 12 23:28:17 is there any reason i should install ubuntu 8.0.4 rather than 9.0.4 on a pretty old laptop (by which i mean literally from like 2003, and even then not top of the line) Jul 12 23:28:22 celeron 1.6mhz.. 512mb ram Jul 12 23:28:45 no Jul 12 23:28:51 :) Jul 12 23:28:53 try linux mint Jul 12 23:28:58 eww Jul 12 23:29:00 thats too dark Jul 12 23:29:26 shit Jul 12 23:29:30 cuz i just download 8.0.4 Jul 12 23:29:44 assume 9.0.4 would be too resource heavy for my piece of shit laptop Jul 12 23:30:27 i can always update to 9.0.4 from the update console once i have it installed, right? Jul 12 23:30:57 Theoretically, yes. Jul 12 23:33:16 linux Mint is good, that 's what I use Jul 12 23:33:23 jpa--: what video card you have Jul 12 23:36:06 man i love the size of this aspireone but i can't stand the battery life Jul 12 23:36:06 heh Jul 12 23:36:18 i am constantly charging it Jul 12 23:38:52 hey have you guys tried the voice search? Jul 12 23:43:34 zelrikriando: i have it works Jul 12 23:43:42 i mean i wouldn't use it often but i guess it's ok Jul 12 23:44:01 it's a bit hard with my french accent Jul 12 23:44:04 but even that Jul 12 23:44:06 i thought the voice commands stuff was interesting but wasn't practical either Jul 12 23:44:17 I said " indian restaurant " and it recognized it Jul 12 23:44:24 haha Jul 12 23:44:35 yeah. us arrogant americans with our hatred towards other languages :) Jul 12 23:44:42 which could take a while to type Jul 12 23:44:46 at least the french are creating the touch book Jul 12 23:44:49 so that made up for it Jul 12 23:45:02 zelrikriando: depends. might take a while on something other than a g1 Jul 12 23:45:07 i think the kb on the g1 works great :) Jul 12 23:45:22 Macer , no keyboard beats voice Jul 12 23:46:01 i just feel strange staring a an inanimate object dictating things to it Jul 12 23:46:11 it looks and feels awkward Jul 12 23:46:27 yeah but it s still neat Jul 12 23:46:40 imagine you have your hands busy Jul 12 23:46:49 and want some information from your phone Jul 12 23:46:54 zelrikriando: voice search has gotten MUCH BETTER with French accents Jul 12 23:46:58 the first versions were terrible Jul 12 23:47:06 I don't have any problem with it whatsoever now Jul 12 23:47:11 I still do Jul 12 23:47:19 I said "elephant" Jul 12 23:47:28 the thing was searching for paypal Jul 12 23:47:29 lol Jul 12 23:47:46 you think you wanted elephant but you wanted paypal :p Jul 12 23:48:02 my accent is pretty thick though Jul 12 23:48:17 I am amazed it can handle it at all Jul 13 00:01:14 time to try installing ubuntu now Jul 13 00:01:14 peace Jul 13 00:02:11 * ohgood is ripping his first movie specifially for the g1. we'll see how it goes in..... ohhhh.... 3 hours or so (ppc mac) Jul 13 00:05:30 ok the voice search is not for me yet Jul 13 00:05:40 The thing is wondering about my accent Jul 13 00:07:13 "this video can not be played" isn't really a helpful output :( Jul 13 00:07:57 lol Jul 13 00:08:04 damnit Jul 13 00:08:13 * ohgood wonders, stops the transcoding... Jul 13 00:08:15 thsi whole time i never noticed there was a goddamn sd slot on the bottom of my hdd camcorder Jul 13 00:08:25 wow would that have saved some time :) Jul 13 00:08:44 i just stuck an 8G sd in it Jul 13 00:10:01 damn. guess it's too old to support an sdhc Jul 13 00:11:39 Macer, those SD slots are typically for photographs only Jul 13 00:12:48 would someone (with a mac) mind sharing their HandBrake settings for ripping a dvd to the g1 please? Jul 13 00:13:16 ohgood: does it have a setting for iPod? Jul 13 00:13:21 /iPhone Jul 13 00:13:31 Hi, im in Ireland and I am thinking about buying the G1 dev phone to use here. Could someone tell me if there are any differences between the real g1 and the developers version? also, as i cannot buy accessories here, could someone tell me what comes in the box with the dev version? Jul 13 00:14:19 only cosmetic ones, and the ADP1 is unlocked / comes with a developer firmware Jul 13 00:14:28 apart from that it's identical Jul 13 00:14:44 zinx, yes, i've tried that setting just now. Jul 13 00:14:59 zinx, the error (not really helpful) is: "Cannot play video" or similar Jul 13 00:14:59 ohgood: it should work Jul 13 00:15:16 zinx, ok, i'll try once again. my handbrake may be outof date Jul 13 00:15:55 zinx, so only a firmware differnece, and the accessories? i assume a charger comes with it, how about the usb headset jack? Jul 13 00:15:56 fwiw the format the Dream takes is 480x320 h.264 mp4 w/ aac audio (though i think mp3 may work too) Jul 13 00:17:15 AndyB: a headset comes with it, but the one w/ the G1 is an extusb adapter w/ mic + 3.5mm earbuds.. aiui the one with the ADP1 looks the same but it's a extusb mic w/ built-in earbuds (though they are of higher quality) Jul 13 00:18:11 zinx, coolness, i have a nwere version of HB downloading now. i'll try the settings on that version and report (if you care) :) Jul 13 00:18:27 zinx, ah thats good, as long as i have an adapter, i can plug any of my own earbuds in :) Jul 13 00:18:49 AndyB: ya.. like i say, the ADP1 one isn't an adapter Jul 13 00:19:11 zinx, cool. id prefer the adapter anyways. Jul 13 00:19:34 zinx, last question? a case comes with it? or do i have to buy one on ebay? Jul 13 00:19:47 AndyB: a soft sleeve comes w/ it Jul 13 00:20:02 AndyB: fwiw there should be some G1 / ADP1 unboxing pictures / videos on the internet Jul 13 00:20:14 AndyB: so you have a better idea what to expect Jul 13 00:20:50 zinx, i never even thought of that :) off to youtube! Thanks Jul 13 00:25:12 man, i have really got to get a faster mac :D Jul 13 00:34:21 wtf heh Jul 13 00:34:34 stupid cam records in dvd mpeg Jul 13 00:34:40 so a 2GB card only gives it 30 mins Jul 13 00:34:45 and it doesn't support sdhc Jul 13 00:34:50 WTF Jul 13 00:38:42 zinx, ty sir, the newer version of handbrake was key. :) Jul 13 00:38:50 now, which dvd to rip first.... hmmm Jul 13 00:56:57 Macer: dont let anyone tell you this shit is easy Jul 13 00:56:58 lol Jul 13 00:57:00 im done Jul 13 00:57:02 quit Jul 13 00:58:06 forward slash :) Jul 13 00:58:10 lol Jul 13 01:00:23 my SDK crashes Jul 13 01:00:38 upon startup Jul 13 01:03:45 w00t almost done installing ubuntu Jul 13 01:03:57 jpa--: cool Jul 13 01:03:59 then to figure out if atleast iphone tethering still works as easily as on windows or mac Jul 13 01:04:29 cuz then i have to re-download the android sdk for ubuntu Jul 13 01:06:07 it's not that long to download and get it running Jul 13 01:06:18 dont forget to download the fastboot thing Jul 13 01:07:07 emulator -datadir c:\ Jul 13 01:07:11 does not work Jul 13 01:07:21 emulator -data c:\ Jul 13 01:07:23 does Jul 13 01:07:25 :/ Jul 13 01:07:45 then crashes Jul 13 01:08:09 wha Jul 13 01:08:17 why are you running it like that Jul 13 01:08:46 Is the driver for the screen presented as a framebuffer device or as something else that only androidland can understand? Jul 13 01:08:49 nothing else works Jul 13 01:09:15 oh great Jul 13 01:09:20 ubuntu cant tether with iphone Jul 13 01:09:26 no way to download android sdk Jul 13 01:09:32 cuz i have no internet :( only tethering Jul 13 01:09:48 and btw that pulseaudio shit doesnt run nicely one windows Jul 13 01:09:50 :P Jul 13 01:13:00 jpa--: lol that s a joke Jul 13 01:13:22 jpa--: download it on your phone, then transfer it Jul 13 01:14:57 lol initiating tethering without a net connection on your comp would take a while hah Jul 13 01:14:57 <_Auron|G1_> I'm in the middle of nowhere! Jul 13 01:15:13 whyzat _Auron|G1_ Jul 13 01:15:32 <_Auron|G1_> in a drive-in movie theatre about 20 miles south of dallas Jul 13 01:16:02 <_Auron|G1_> wow. shimmy shimmy coco-pop! Jul 13 01:16:14 <_Auron|G1_> o_o Jul 13 01:17:11 o.o Jul 13 01:17:20 drivin movie theater? Jul 13 01:17:22 gross Jul 13 01:17:24 haha Jul 13 01:17:35 <_Auron|G1_> lol Jul 13 01:17:54 <_Auron|G1_> bruno and the hangover for $6 total. and its an experience Jul 13 01:18:11 you're watching two movies?? Jul 13 01:18:18 thats unethical! Jul 13 01:18:21 haha Jul 13 01:18:28 <_Auron|G1_> yep, it's a double feature for $6 Jul 13 01:18:36 sweet Jul 13 01:18:41 lols Jul 13 01:18:57 the theater here charges $8 per movie Jul 13 01:21:40 <_Auron|G1_> yeah that's cheap actually Jul 13 01:21:40 <_Auron|G1_> it's 10-12 normally around here Jul 13 01:21:40 <_Auron|G1_> but this is a special drive-in movie theatre in a farm town south of the metro Jul 13 01:21:40 <_Auron|G1_> not too far from scarborough faire Jul 13 01:22:01 damn my kebyoard and mouse keep disconnecting Jul 13 01:22:12 lol everything is cheap here in missourah Jul 13 01:25:30 <_Auron|G1_> hopefully my connection won't hiccup anymore Jul 13 01:26:07 <_Auron|G1_> since I'm sitting and the sun is setting Jul 13 01:34:26 anyone know of any links about connecting android to a car, like a touch screen and the head unit? Jul 13 01:38:03 djhedges - buy a netbook. I'm looking at an Asus EEE PC T91. Jul 13 01:38:18 ehhh Jul 13 01:38:29 It's multitouch :-p Jul 13 01:38:31 i don't want a netbook mounted in my car Jul 13 01:38:41 and tablet convertible Jul 13 01:41:05 does the eeepc have a touch screen? Jul 13 01:42:36 does anyone know how to disable the damn android animation on boot and display verbose kernel text instead? Jul 13 01:42:40 and no, it dosn't Jul 13 01:54:21 k so I installed ubuntu. still can't tether my magic Jul 13 01:55:44 however, a problem might be that I have no internet connection other than potentially tethering Jul 13 01:56:16 does you iPhone work? :p Jul 13 01:56:38 so no way to automatically grab and install drivers Jul 13 01:57:08 Hmm.. listening to mp3's over bluetooth causes my phone to lag something silly Jul 13 01:58:39 <_Auron|0> movie starts soon Jul 13 02:06:25 I've got to choose between the Dream and the Magic... or waiting. Anybody here who prefer the Dream? I haven't actually seen the Magic to decide if I can live without a keyboard... Jul 13 02:07:51 yuck = no keyboard Jul 13 02:07:52 <__avatar> i prefer the dream; the soft keyboard is too laggy imo Jul 13 02:08:01 Wait for the update of the Drea Jul 13 02:08:07 No keyboard = fail Jul 13 02:08:20 mrincredible: i am getting the magic today. i will let you know if it sucks. keyboard will be my biggest issue i imagine Jul 13 02:08:25 But the Dream is pretty outdated at this point. Jul 13 02:08:44 Last rumors I remember put the Dream replacement as august or september Jul 13 02:09:31 Lol, yeah - and the biggest cellphone network in South Africa is only now launching the Dream. (puke) At least it's cheap... Jul 13 02:10:33 Saviour = Hero with keyboard :p What about a bluetooth keyboard, anybody tried that? Jul 13 02:11:05 I remember somebody was trying it. I didn't ever check back in on it Jul 13 02:12:44 I wouldn't be surprised if you could just plug a usb keyboard into it though... It's linux, and it's got a usb port, after all...? Jul 13 02:13:04 mrincredible: that is interesting i may try that. Jul 13 02:13:41 er... you do know that USB isn't peer-to-peer, it's master-slave, and the phone is a slave? Jul 13 02:14:24 also, the soft keyboard is pretty usable in my experience - but I think I might have a different once from most people, the HTC Chinese one Jul 13 02:14:24 :( Jul 13 02:14:33 Leeds: nope didn't know that. What is the difference in functionality between peer to peer and master slave ? Jul 13 02:14:55 11:10:33 < mrincredible> Saviour = Hero with keyboard :p What about a bluetooth keyboard, anybody tried that? Jul 13 02:15:00 if only it had a decent screen res Jul 13 02:15:11 it would be the saviour Jul 13 02:15:26 mase_work: short answer - you can plug (effectively) unlimited slaves into one master, but you can't plug masters into masters or slaves into slaves Jul 13 02:15:40 anyway, must get dressed and go to the office Jul 13 02:16:11 bluetooth is worthless,imho Jul 13 02:16:41 ok guys i go crazy here Jul 13 02:16:50 all i want is very simple thing to do with J2ME Jul 13 02:16:53 int x=1; Jul 13 02:16:54 ohgood: and it makes your battery useless too :) Jul 13 02:17:02 and i want it to be string like 0x00000001 Jul 13 02:17:08 why its sooooooooo complec Jul 13 02:17:30 xbxice: because you have set it to be an int :) Jul 13 02:17:43 mrincredible, my battery can handle anything you throw at it Jul 13 02:17:54 my apple keyboard, not so much Jul 13 02:18:18 mase_work what you mean Jul 13 02:19:07 i have int a,b,c,d,e; they part of SHA1 20 bytes and i need to make it string like %08x%08x%08x%08x Jul 13 02:19:19 if it was C i could just do sprintf Jul 13 02:20:21 any clue Jul 13 02:20:52 well, the msm is supposed to support usb host mode, if we can enable it Jul 13 02:20:53 xbxice: you want to convert it to a string, for printing? Jul 13 02:21:42 just to have it as string onject Jul 13 02:22:33 System.out.println ( new String( byte ) ); or equiv j2me function Jul 13 02:22:47 this will print it Jul 13 02:23:00 copy constructor or similar Jul 13 02:23:05 i need to do this Jul 13 02:23:36 it will print it to system out, what ever that is Jul 13 02:23:39 man am pushing it, 15mb internal disk free Jul 13 02:23:39 int a,b,c,d,e; each 4 bytes they all 20 bytes i want to do this sprintf(str,%08x%08x%08x%08x%08x",a,b,c,d,e); Jul 13 02:24:00 shouldn't that take bytes? Jul 13 02:24:14 may be time to look into apps2sd Jul 13 02:24:16 what ? Jul 13 02:24:38 sorry, it there a printf function on a OutputStream that does what you want? Jul 13 02:24:54 takes a format I mean Jul 13 02:25:24 the result should be in String object Jul 13 02:26:24 damm all i wanted is SHA1 in J2ME and its like hell Jul 13 02:26:38 what take 5 min in C take years in the damm J2ME lang Jul 13 02:26:53 it's not j2me language Jul 13 02:26:57 java Jul 13 02:27:21 there is really no such thing, it's java and a vm, kvm or dalvik in android's case Jul 13 02:27:25 xbxice: its just different. Java saves you time in other areas. Jul 13 02:27:37 and what i do in this case ? Jul 13 02:28:09 use a native or builtin version of sha1? Jul 13 02:28:27 i cant use native i need to do it in java Jul 13 02:28:41 and there is no built in SHA1 in J2ME Jul 13 02:31:06 tmobile is the worst network i've ever used Jul 13 02:31:44 so there is no way to do SHA1 for J2ME Jul 13 02:43:11 String hexstr = Integer.toHexString(a)+ Integer.toHexString(b)+ Integer.toHexString(c)+ Integer.toHexString(d)+ Integer.toHexString(e); Jul 13 02:43:23 but its sucks because if a=1; it will not make it 0x00000001 Jul 13 02:43:25 just 1 Jul 13 02:45:30 can i use System.out.format in J2ME ? Jul 13 02:47:04 j2me or android? Jul 13 02:47:12 J2me doesnt exist on android!!! Jul 13 02:47:13 j2me Jul 13 02:47:19 we iz j2se beaoch Jul 13 02:47:21 brb Jul 13 02:47:38 why are you asking j2me question in #android then? Jul 13 02:48:03 good Q Jul 13 02:49:35 Because it's JAVA! Jul 13 02:49:42 other than being somewhat off-topic, you're going to get quite confused, since Android isn't j2me :P Jul 13 02:51:19 LUCKY ME I DONT CODE FOR ANDROID Jul 13 02:51:26 oops Jul 13 02:59:00 ... Jul 13 02:59:06 i hope youre kidding **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 13 02:59:57 2009