**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 13 02:59:57 2009 Jul 13 03:03:12 lol i am not kidding Jul 13 03:03:50 damn Jul 13 03:03:54 gtfo Jul 13 03:03:55 haha Jul 13 03:05:38 anyone here using Cyanogen's ROM without app2SD? Jul 13 03:17:22 blah Jul 13 03:17:34 i have to install some awkward jfe stuff for opensolaris Jul 13 03:17:39 i guess it has a pkgbuilder Jul 13 03:17:41 :) Jul 13 03:17:47 maybe i can install a better mplayer Jul 13 03:17:59 since opensolaris totem stuff requires you actually buy codecs haha Jul 13 03:18:39 AakashPatel: I got my mom an ecig and got her started yesterday. she is a 2pk a day smoke and hasnt smoked since. She got like 30 ppl at her work sold on one and they are all rushing out to buy one. my supplier is now running out of supplies lol Jul 13 03:18:56 Haha Jul 13 03:19:10 that guy is going to be making lots of money when these things boom Jul 13 03:19:58 Haha Jul 13 03:20:03 "This guy"? Jul 13 03:20:11 the guy I am buying from Jul 13 03:20:18 i gave all those ppl his site Jul 13 03:20:30 too bad he doesnt have an affiliate program, id like to take a chunk of those sales Jul 13 03:20:30 Hm, you dont buy them directly from the company? Jul 13 03:20:41 no, they are all in china and shipping would kill you Jul 13 03:20:48 Ohhhh Jul 13 03:20:54 He's 'special' Jul 13 03:22:08 im lost Jul 13 03:22:16 How? Jul 13 03:22:16 you must be confused Jul 13 03:22:24 dewd Jul 13 03:22:27 i dont sell these Jul 13 03:22:28 he does Jul 13 03:22:30 i know Jul 13 03:22:43 he is special because he pays thousands of dollars for thousands of kits, im poor so i cant Jul 13 03:22:52 Exactly Jul 13 03:22:54 :) Jul 13 03:23:53 Lol I wonder if the active people in this channel met up for lunch one day Jul 13 03:23:58 Taht would be a day lol Jul 13 03:26:56 Who's up for lunch next week :P Jul 13 03:27:40 sure Jul 13 03:27:54 you are in southern Spain, right? Jul 13 03:27:54 Leeds: My house 9pm sharp Jul 13 03:28:05 No lol Missourah Jul 13 03:28:38 Right in the middle of the US of A Jul 13 03:28:39 :P Jul 13 03:28:49 (Middle of no where Jul 13 03:28:52 ) Jul 13 03:30:23 sorry, but I'll be in Spain next week - will have to be some other time Jul 13 03:30:30 Aww Jul 13 03:30:32 Lol Jul 13 03:30:47 No one loves me!!! Jul 13 03:30:50 :'( Jul 13 03:30:52 hahaha Jul 13 03:32:35 AakashPatel: You're welcome to join me for lunch anytime. Enjoy the flight over here ;) Jul 13 03:32:44 Lol where you live Jul 13 03:32:54 Perth, Western Australia Jul 13 03:32:59 Pshhhh Jul 13 03:33:03 I'll drive there Jul 13 03:33:05 XD Jul 13 03:33:07 Should only take you.. what.. 20 hours or so.. Jul 13 03:33:17 flight that is Jul 13 03:33:25 Eh, I've been in trips the same length Jul 13 03:33:29 on a plane Jul 13 03:34:12 damn i love tmob tethering Jul 13 03:34:18 it is so much better than att here Jul 13 03:34:19 heh Jul 13 03:34:43 :P Jul 13 03:34:49 i'm going to bring a wireless router to one of the work sites and see if i can get it to tether to the phone when it's in range and use it as an AP Jul 13 03:35:26 i know someone was workign on getting the phone to act as an encrypted AP but i haven't seen anything realistic.. but then again i've not looked very hard Jul 13 03:36:23 Macer: android wifi tether? Jul 13 03:36:24 i mean i personally think 100K/s sustained in 2-3 bar areas isn't too bad Jul 13 03:36:30 thats pretty good Jul 13 03:36:31 yeah Jul 13 03:36:36 Hmm Jul 13 03:36:37 you can filter by mac Jul 13 03:36:41 I wouldnt mind doing that also Jul 13 03:36:43 but ti's not encrypted at all Jul 13 03:36:52 hm Jul 13 03:36:54 so like.. if you are a spy or something Jul 13 03:36:55 you fail Jul 13 03:36:56 haha Jul 13 03:36:57 lol Jul 13 03:37:11 encryption generally slows things down considerably tho Jul 13 03:37:15 i mean realistically having someone in the right place at the right time using the right equipment... Jul 13 03:37:16 Macer: you know how encryption works on ap's? Jul 13 03:37:25 not too much Radix_ Jul 13 03:37:32 Radix_: i tdoesn't really matter much if it's doign it on the server/client side Jul 13 03:37:35 like ssh and https Jul 13 03:37:48 Macer: Where else would it be doing it? Jul 13 03:37:48 but i wouldn't trust sending anything realistic over like vnc through the wifi tether Jul 13 03:37:50 lol Jul 13 03:38:10 i mean i am like too lazy to set up ssh tunnels for everything Jul 13 03:38:16 which i should do anyways to tell you the truth Jul 13 03:38:33 AakashPatel: uhm.. over the wifi? Jul 13 03:38:46 Uh Jul 13 03:38:51 Whateva lol Jul 13 03:38:53 haha Jul 13 03:39:02 i meant it's not too bad when you are using encrypted services over the tether Jul 13 03:39:23 but someno can probably sniff pkts since it has 0 encryption between the laptop/whatever and the phone Jul 13 03:39:35 Macer: go work on it :) Jul 13 03:39:42 lol Jul 13 03:39:43 You'll be semi-famous Jul 13 03:39:50 naw.. soemone else is already working on it Jul 13 03:39:53 but i doubt it will happen Jul 13 03:39:56 Ah Jul 13 03:40:00 Oh well Jul 13 03:40:03 i'm sure there isn't ever going to be driver support for it Jul 13 03:40:04 SSH that shit Jul 13 03:40:06 :P Jul 13 03:40:15 Hm...can i ssh to the phone? Jul 13 03:40:28 if i can then i hit gold :p Jul 13 03:42:13 make an arm sshd Jul 13 03:42:16 and run it on the phone :) Jul 13 03:42:18 haha Jul 13 03:42:21 i think there is Jul 13 03:42:26 oh Jul 13 03:42:28 then use it Jul 13 03:42:31 Nahhhh Jul 13 03:42:32 it's called dropbear Jul 13 03:42:36 yeah ^^ Jul 13 03:42:43 they have dropbear for it? Jul 13 03:42:43 wow Jul 13 03:42:48 on the market or you have to install it? Jul 13 03:42:58 i'm guessing tmob firewalls all incoming pkts to phones? :) Jul 13 03:42:58 on the market?hahahaha Jul 13 03:43:02 alright folks, I need an app idea which will make me millions, and which I can code in my spare time this week? Jul 13 03:43:10 Noe! Jul 13 03:43:12 Leeds: a bt keyboard app Jul 13 03:43:13 I want it Jul 13 03:43:13 :) Jul 13 03:43:16 Ohh Jul 13 03:43:17 haha Jul 13 03:43:23 Macer: i needa make that Jul 13 03:43:29 something that integrates into the ui and lets you use bt keyboards Jul 13 03:43:30 I'll try this week Jul 13 03:43:32 :) Jul 13 03:43:38 without having to run it from # Jul 13 03:43:39 Monday :p Jul 13 03:43:40 oh wait! Jul 13 03:43:42 fuck Jul 13 03:43:45 AakashPatel: no Jul 13 03:43:50 because you have 10 projects going on Jul 13 03:43:51 i gotta send my phone back Jul 13 03:43:54 No Jul 13 03:43:54 almost noon on Monday now Jul 13 03:43:55 lol Jul 13 03:43:57 and i haven't seen one yet Jul 13 03:43:57 Macer: like? Jul 13 03:43:58 :-P Jul 13 03:43:59 haha Jul 13 03:44:00 haha.. "T-Mobile G2 Touch" is going to cause havoc with all those ppl who call the HTC Magic "G2" - including hundreds of ebay sellers who do the same Jul 13 03:44:00 i don't know Jul 13 03:44:03 boxee? Jul 13 03:44:06 psshhh Jul 13 03:44:10 thats my spare time project Jul 13 03:44:26 Radix_: they are going to think that they are getting appled Jul 13 03:44:27 everytihng else has been deemed idiotic to peruse Jul 13 03:44:34 I do that alot after i start working on somethign :) Jul 13 03:44:39 where they release the edge... then a 3G.. then a 3GS (compass included) Jul 13 03:44:55 AakashPatel: make a bt keyboard app then Jul 13 03:44:58 or add it to the ui Jul 13 03:45:05 Radix_: it certainly is! Jul 13 03:45:11 so you can pair and it will automatically connect to the kb when it's detected Jul 13 03:45:17 (like it should anyuways) Jul 13 03:45:23 Macer: Hmm Jul 13 03:45:25 when i use hidd i have to run it every time i turn the bt keyboard on Jul 13 03:45:32 you also have to fix the mappigns Jul 13 03:45:40 Ill send this phone back in a few weeks Jul 13 03:45:40 because up will be right on the keyboard Jul 13 03:45:51 so it has to detect if the phone is in landscape or portrait Jul 13 03:46:00 Why? Jul 13 03:46:04 and adjust the arrow mappings accordingly Jul 13 03:46:09 Oh Jul 13 03:46:10 because.. if it sticks a certain way Jul 13 03:46:11 I see Jul 13 03:46:15 then up will be right Jul 13 03:46:18 :) Jul 13 03:46:21 or vice versa Jul 13 03:46:23 Can we edit keymapping? Jul 13 03:46:25 yet? Jul 13 03:46:27 oh i'm sure Jul 13 03:46:40 ...where Jul 13 03:46:42 i wouldn't doubt it considering connectbot uses the cam button to go to the next screen window Jul 13 03:46:52 hell if i kiow Jul 13 03:46:54 i'm not a coder Jul 13 03:46:54 :) Jul 13 03:46:58 that's not keymapping, that's responding to a keyboard event Jul 13 03:46:58 Find out :P Jul 13 03:47:05 you can be my partner in crime Jul 13 03:47:13 what Leeds said Jul 13 03:47:21 Leeds should make it Jul 13 03:47:25 it is something that is needed Jul 13 03:47:29 and the hidd is already there :) Jul 13 03:47:34 hey, I don't even have a rooted phone Jul 13 03:47:35 it just hasn't been used Jul 13 03:47:43 Gah Jul 13 03:47:44 Leeds: then why did you ask damnit?? Jul 13 03:47:45 haha Jul 13 03:47:50 that means i needa flash jf's rom Jul 13 03:47:51 :P Jul 13 03:48:00 adp1 HTC roms dont allow apps foot Jul 13 03:48:02 root* Jul 13 03:48:16 call it "Android Bluetooth Keyboard Connecter" or "ABKC" Jul 13 03:48:22 because things are cool if you acronym it Jul 13 03:48:26 Anyone listen to music over bluetooth stereo headphones on their HTC Magic? Jul 13 03:48:27 $2 Jul 13 03:48:30 you'll be a millionaire Jul 13 03:48:34 Radix_: podcasts, but daily Jul 13 03:48:46 Macer: You think someone would pay? Jul 13 03:48:48 $2 Jul 13 03:48:48 AakashPatel: if you're really good you'll find out how to throw a capital X in there with eXtreme Jul 13 03:48:51 AakashPatel: i do Jul 13 03:48:52 hahaha Jul 13 03:48:57 can you do other things at the same time or is it chuggy.. like browse net and stuff? Jul 13 03:48:58 eXtream!!!! Jul 13 03:49:05 i spelled it wrong Jul 13 03:49:05 AakashPatel: yup Jul 13 03:49:11 you should tm that Jul 13 03:49:15 lmao Jul 13 03:49:23 Macer: you have that bin? Jul 13 03:49:25 sounds like a good name for a video or audio streaming app Jul 13 03:49:26 hm Jul 13 03:49:26 works pretty well... it is having to recompress the audio stream, as well as decompressing the original MP3 Jul 13 03:49:26 :) Jul 13 03:49:27 nm Jul 13 03:49:30 ill compile my own :) Jul 13 03:49:30 yeah Jul 13 03:49:33 ok Jul 13 03:49:38 they probably changed a few things Jul 13 03:49:39 but if you need it i have it on a web server somewhere Jul 13 03:49:44 sweet Jul 13 03:49:45 i doubt it Jul 13 03:49:46 heh Jul 13 03:49:49 lol Jul 13 03:49:51 it's just a hidd bin Jul 13 03:49:55 gah Jul 13 03:49:58 just send me yours Jul 13 03:49:58 there isn't much you can change on it :) Jul 13 03:49:59 lol Jul 13 03:50:02 er.. hold on Jul 13 03:50:13 * AakashPatel looks for jf's adp1 roms Jul 13 03:50:15 go to http://lasziv.reprehensible.net/~macer Jul 13 03:50:20 it's there somewhere Jul 13 03:50:54 Leeds: yeah.. i get a fair bit of lagginess with mine - just not sure if this lagginess is due to the Hero rom (tho I'm using the old android home and not the hero touchflo) or it's just hitting the limit cpu wise Jul 13 03:51:07 got it Jul 13 03:51:34 good Jul 13 03:51:45 i expect an integrated bluetooth keyboard ui in a week Jul 13 03:51:46 gah Jul 13 03:51:47 don't fail Jul 13 03:51:52 i need link to jf's adp1 rom Jul 13 03:51:54 :P Jul 13 03:51:57 haha i shall fail Jul 13 03:52:03 why? Jul 13 03:52:09 what are you running on it now? Jul 13 03:52:11 cuz adp1 HTC Jul 13 03:52:12 i bout a stero bluetooth headset for my G1 from woot Jul 13 03:52:24 so you're running 1.4x? Jul 13 03:52:32 heh Jul 13 03:52:39 no Jul 13 03:52:41 1.5 Jul 13 03:52:42 Caleb: bt headphones are nice Jul 13 03:52:45 AakashPatel: uhm Jul 13 03:52:50 Macer: HTC's ADP1 roms dont allow apps root Jul 13 03:52:58 wow really? Jul 13 03:53:01 Yea Jul 13 03:53:04 just use JF Updater Jul 13 03:53:06 Macer: indeed Jul 13 03:53:06 and change it Jul 13 03:53:07 heh Jul 13 03:53:12 and they also work great on my ps3 Jul 13 03:53:13 IDK how lol Jul 13 03:53:17 wtf! Jul 13 03:53:27 and you want to code a bt ui interface for bluetooth keyboards? Jul 13 03:53:30 :) Jul 13 03:53:40 Radix_: are the files MP3 or ogg? Jul 13 03:53:47 haha Jul 13 03:53:48 mp3 Jul 13 03:53:53 can you even play ogg on a g1? :) Jul 13 03:53:58 of course Jul 13 03:54:00 anyone know if pdanet for android works on ubuntu? Jul 13 03:54:13 k cool Jul 13 03:54:21 ... Jul 13 03:54:24 Caleb: bt headphones are good. they are usually louder Jul 13 03:54:24 pdanet? Jul 13 03:54:24 it's been mentioned that the audio libraries handle mp3 and ogg vorbis more efficiently than other codecs Jul 13 03:54:29 were you talking to me or Macer ? Jul 13 03:54:29 since the power source is independent Jul 13 03:54:42 only thing i can get working at the moment Jul 13 03:54:43 huh? Jul 13 03:54:45 Macer: mine are pretty loud Jul 13 03:54:56 Caleb: yeah :) once you get used to them you never give them up Jul 13 03:55:00 heh Jul 13 03:55:03 not to mention no wires Jul 13 03:55:06 indeed Jul 13 03:55:08 and you can charge the g1 while playing music from it Jul 13 03:55:12 ill show you the ones i got Jul 13 03:55:18 I was going mad while waiting for the support in 1.5 Jul 13 03:55:31 it's not perfect, but it's hugely better than no support Jul 13 03:55:33 haha Jul 13 03:55:51 i mean Jul 13 03:56:00 i dn't mean to throw out the fact that my n95 had support for it out the box Jul 13 03:56:04 :) haha Jul 13 03:56:12 i honestly didn't know that nokia bought qt Jul 13 03:56:13 http://www.bluetoothlounge.com/images/lubix-UBHS-NC1.jpg Jul 13 03:56:41 they release a n9x series phone that works on tmbo 3G then i'm ditching the G1 haha Jul 13 03:56:41 so did my SE UIQ phone... while my Treo had a third-party shareware a2dp driver - since 2006! Jul 13 03:56:54 Leeds: haha Jul 13 03:57:02 yeah it was odd they didn't release the G1 with the support Jul 13 03:57:13 well.. it's odd android didn't have support when it was released i should say Jul 13 03:57:18 sicne all the elements were there Jul 13 03:57:35 I have these - http://www.flickr.com/photos/kalleboo/2290818949/ Jul 13 03:57:37 i guess it was one of those things they used to "show progress in the open community" Jul 13 03:57:47 there were quite a few things on the android to-do list which simply didn't make it high enough to get done before 1.0 Jul 13 03:58:01 Caleb: wow.. ear buds huh? Jul 13 03:58:03 they work great except for answering calls (as I'm using a hero rom and it seems that portion of things is broken in that rom) Jul 13 03:58:11 it's pretty clear that 1.0 was somewhat rushed so HTC and T-mobile could have an Android device on the shelves for holiday 2008 Jul 13 03:58:13 those look pretty nice. are they comfortable? Jul 13 03:58:20 Leeds: agreed Jul 13 03:58:35 Macer: yep Jul 13 03:58:38 Leeds: it was rushed but still better than a lot of phone OSes out there Jul 13 03:58:44 Caleb: how much were they? Jul 13 03:58:49 25 on woot Jul 13 03:58:50 i'd have bought buds if i saw some Jul 13 03:58:50 oh, sure Jul 13 03:59:00 where there are updates to the android OS... are we gonna get'em for free? Jul 13 03:59:02 Leeds: i got disgusted with symbian on my n95 Jul 13 03:59:05 or will we have to buy the latest device? Jul 13 03:59:11 i mean don't get me wrong. it was a great phone hardware-wise Jul 13 03:59:13 jpa--: depends on the update and the device Jul 13 03:59:22 oh man.. no clue why everyone loves the n95 so much... i hate that phone Jul 13 03:59:22 but symbian looks like it's from 1990s Jul 13 03:59:24 the Philips SBH-6100's are pretty comfy.. they loop over the ears nicely and the cushion is nice with minimal pressure on the ears/head which I prefer Jul 13 03:59:31 if i were to get a nokia smartphone.. it'd be e71.. if anything Jul 13 03:59:35 but bah to symbian Jul 13 03:59:38 buds just fall out of my ears all the time so are useless to me Jul 13 03:59:42 jpa--: if you have a full "Google Experience" phone... and there is space on the device... yes, you should get the update Jul 13 03:59:51 jpa--: naw.. the n95 was great Jul 13 03:59:56 especially with the su8w bt keyboard Jul 13 04:00:02 I use these ones when cycling to work - act as ear-warmers too Jul 13 04:00:05 if it's not a "Google Experience" phone - i.e. it doesn't have the Google logo on it - or you have a G1 which is running out of space... maybe/probably not Jul 13 04:00:07 Leeds: bummer.. i have a Rogers HTC Magic Jul 13 04:00:12 symbian has the good quickoffice Jul 13 04:00:15 the one that lets you edit documents Jul 13 04:00:28 the quickoffice for android.. they should have been ashamed of themselves releasing that garbage Jul 13 04:00:29 Macer: yeah but its so fat... the reason I returned my HTC Dream 2 weeks after getting it was cuz i couldn't stand how fat it was.. and it was slimmer than the n95 Jul 13 04:00:32 dunnow how you can handle it Jul 13 04:00:41 the only thing ill give the n95 is the storage space and the camera Jul 13 04:00:47 jpa--: yeah Jul 13 04:00:50 that's why i loved it Jul 13 04:00:57 i used teh cam a lot to film/pic my son Jul 13 04:01:02 the cam is amazing on it Jul 13 04:01:07 ahh makes sense Jul 13 04:01:10 i mean for being a phone cam :) it's awesome Jul 13 04:01:15 its like a camera.. that happens to have a phone Jul 13 04:01:17 not the other way around :P Jul 13 04:01:19 not to mention it could print and had a GOOD quickoffice Jul 13 04:01:30 awesome support for almost all hardware Jul 13 04:01:40 i was able to vid chat with it to my son one day with the front cam Jul 13 04:01:47 bah brb Jul 13 04:01:47 gotta switch sim card back into my magic Jul 13 04:01:47 (stupid tethering) Jul 13 04:01:53 jpa--: yeah Jul 13 04:03:53 jpa--: can you not tether the magic? Jul 13 04:05:15 i wont be installing any more apps but i only have 14 mb free, will i be ok? Jul 13 04:05:33 heh Jul 13 04:05:35 14MB is fine Jul 13 04:05:54 phew Jul 13 04:05:55 cracked version of pdanet works on windows atleast Jul 13 04:05:58 with hero rom Jul 13 04:06:00 kinda low though Jul 13 04:06:10 pdanet? Jul 13 04:06:11 :) Jul 13 04:06:29 only way i can get tethering to work so phar Jul 13 04:06:50 are you looking for tethering as well? Jul 13 04:07:02 is magic/my touch really better than dream/g1? Jul 13 04:07:24 i like having a kb Jul 13 04:07:27 some would say it's a matter of opinion/preference Jul 13 04:07:27 but i would say yes Jul 13 04:07:32 but its all a matter of opinion Jul 13 04:07:35 the magic is better Jul 13 04:07:37 :P Jul 13 04:07:40 why is it better? Jul 13 04:07:45 more rom Jul 13 04:07:48 is is the looks Jul 13 04:07:55 more rom? how much more Jul 13 04:07:59 and the battery last longer on the magic Jul 13 04:08:04 98mb i think? Jul 13 04:08:12 i think rogers has more rom that other carriers Jul 13 04:08:15 i could be wrong Jul 13 04:08:26 i theorize that the battery runs out faster on the dream because of whatever ram needed to run the physical keyboard Jul 13 04:08:28 98mb more, not bad Jul 13 04:08:40 Caelum: yeah i think vodafone has liek 192 and rogers has 288 Jul 13 04:08:49 pretty sure tmobile will get 288mb, no? Jul 13 04:08:59 I theorize that one can travel in one's one lifetime Jul 13 04:09:03 hrmm Jul 13 04:09:09 brb, booting into ubuntu Jul 13 04:09:14 Dr. Sam Beckett steps into the Quantum Leap accelerator, and vanishes Jul 13 04:09:14 what else, becasue i like the physical keyboard Jul 13 04:11:15 it will be difficult transition from physical keyboard to non physical Jul 13 04:12:12 tmobile mytouch's only have 192MB I think Jul 13 04:12:44 g1 has 192mb right? Jul 13 04:12:52 yup Jul 13 04:13:58 I don't think it's a limiting factor for cupcake.. but the hero roms certainly push the limits of the ram more and don't run as nice on the 192MB phones Jul 13 04:14:48 it's been mentioned that there will probably be limits to the available updates post-cupcake for the G1, since it's running out of *flash* Jul 13 04:15:07 so my touch has more internal storage but not more ram? Jul 13 04:17:03 actually it looks like mytouch only has 30mb more storage Jul 13 04:17:29 well Jul 13 04:17:34 i still like my g1 Jul 13 04:17:35 heh Jul 13 04:17:49 as long as they keep updating all the good stuff heh Jul 13 04:18:52 mytouch; ROM: 512 MB, RAM: 192/288 MB and G1; 192 MB DDR SDRAM 256 MB Flash Jul 13 04:20:42 so it's got twice the flash, and some models have 96MB more RAM Jul 13 04:21:29 adp1 1.51 jf Jul 13 04:21:31 link!!! Jul 13 04:22:25 Leeds, the only place I've seen that mentioned is you in here. (re: it's been mentioned that there will probably be limits to the available updates post-cupcake for the G1, since it's running out of *flash*) Jul 13 04:22:49 would it be possible to change the internal rom Jul 13 04:23:13 and Leeds, there's a relatively easy fix for Google to implement to support older hardware: apps2sd Jul 13 04:23:18 KNY: I think ctate may have mentioned it Jul 13 04:23:34 it's also been mentioned that Google aren't planning any official support for apps2sd Jul 13 04:24:47 * Leeds log-surfs Jul 13 04:25:03 Leeds, I'm grepping the hell out of my logs and haven't found anything noteworthy from ctate Jul 13 04:25:26 that's just a vague remembering of who said it, but I'm pretty sure *someone* did Jul 13 04:25:33 yeah, you :) Jul 13 04:26:17 they make a magic version with physical keyboard Jul 13 04:26:25 twois10, it's call the dream Jul 13 04:26:26 they should* Jul 13 04:26:27 :) Jul 13 04:26:32 s/call/called/ Jul 13 04:27:08 kinda true, but needs more ROM Jul 13 04:27:09 guys Jul 13 04:27:26 look am already out of space Jul 13 04:27:35 twois10, so uninstall some stuff Jul 13 04:27:40 I'm not sure if this is the right place, I installed hero image on G1 and I have stock sd which is only 1gb.. the system is really slow Jul 13 04:27:56 maannj, that's because you're running hero on a G1 Jul 13 04:28:03 run hero on a hero and then come back :) Jul 13 04:28:11 lol Jul 13 04:28:32 will i have to wipe going from adp1 1.5 htc, to jf 1.51 adp? Jul 13 04:28:32 lol, no the image is supposed to be optimized but I didn't format the sdcard to ext3 Jul 13 04:28:34 i think maannj its not ready yet Jul 13 04:28:45 hey guys, I'm running Windows Vista on my Pentium III and it's really slow. Oh and it's got a 1GB HDD Jul 13 04:28:47 may be a couple months Jul 13 04:29:09 yay Jul 13 04:29:12 it booted :D Jul 13 04:29:19 but I gotta say, hero is sweet candy Jul 13 04:29:27 KNY: you could install vista on a cray and you could still say the same thing ;) Jul 13 04:29:31 meh, I just want the hardware Jul 13 04:29:36 mase_work, ba-zing! Jul 13 04:29:42 is hero coming to usa? when ? Jul 13 04:29:49 (well played though, mase_work) Jul 13 04:29:56 maannj, no clue. Google. Jul 13 04:30:01 =) Jul 13 04:30:21 i will start using my virtual keyboard instead of the physical, and once i get used to it, i may get hero Jul 13 04:30:30 KNY: can't find it in my log here at the office, could be in my log at home - but that PC is turned off Jul 13 04:30:31 mean my touch Jul 13 04:30:40 man Jul 13 04:30:45 the google video chatting stuff works great Jul 13 04:31:07 someone needs to make an android phone with a front webcam that can do it :) Jul 13 04:31:11 Leeds, well, if you stumble across it, please ping me. Every time I've been around and we've talked about it, it's been you citing the aether for a reference ;-) Jul 13 04:31:26 sorry, I should catalog my sources better :) Jul 13 04:31:36 of course if there were public logs, it'd be much easier... Jul 13 04:31:42 haha, I require full MLA citations. Jul 13 04:31:53 maannj: if you want a hero feel, install cyanogen's rom and the hero theme Jul 13 04:32:15 Major League Arsehole? Jul 13 04:32:16 it comes with some hero apps Jul 13 04:32:32 twois10, will it look exactly like hero ? Jul 13 04:32:39 Modern Language Association Jul 13 04:32:45 with social networking features ? Jul 13 04:33:01 if it doesn't have the latter, sign me up :) Jul 13 04:34:15 :) Jul 13 04:35:19 is there a current limit on tmobile for data usage with g1? Jul 13 04:35:27 maannj: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=520629 Jul 13 04:35:38 Haraken: dont think so Jul 13 04:35:49 im pretty sure it says unlimited Jul 13 04:35:57 sweet L( Jul 13 04:35:59 bit i guess they would freak if it was in the gigs Jul 13 04:35:59 :) Jul 13 04:36:01 or more Jul 13 04:36:02 heh Jul 13 04:36:06 most likely Jul 13 04:36:17 just wondering how things will go if i need to use my wifi tether Jul 13 04:36:34 Haraken, there was someone in here who used something stupid like 10GB/month recently Jul 13 04:36:36 probably not too bad Jul 13 04:36:44 good god Jul 13 04:36:48 yeah Jul 13 04:36:51 I guess 10GB isn't too bad Jul 13 04:36:58 better than verzion's lame 5gb Jul 13 04:36:59 he's the reason why my bill is ~$75 Jul 13 04:37:00 jerk Jul 13 04:37:04 Macer: !!! Jul 13 04:37:07 Haraken, anything is better than verizon Jul 13 04:37:12 xD Jul 13 04:37:16 *.* > verizon.* Jul 13 04:37:27 twois10,thx Jul 13 04:38:21 ? Jul 13 04:39:01 Haraken: i thought tmob was 5GB too Jul 13 04:39:02 Macer: i got jf1.51 flashed:P Jul 13 04:39:14 well that's good Jul 13 04:39:18 okay Jul 13 04:39:26 i found that linky Jul 13 04:39:26 you havec 6 days 20 hours to finish the app Jul 13 04:39:27 http://osdir.com/ml/android-platform/2009-01/msg00044.html Jul 13 04:39:30 haha Jul 13 04:39:32 Macer, I never heard anything about 5gb with tmobile... I heard 10gb and 1gb and unknown :) Jul 13 04:39:33 otherwise your phone will explode Jul 13 04:39:39 heh Jul 13 04:39:40 you'll be one paying for it :) Jul 13 04:39:42 1GB would suck Jul 13 04:39:44 $1 Jul 13 04:39:46 or 3 Jul 13 04:39:48 2 Jul 13 04:39:52 i'm sure it's higher than that because i'm seriosly over that this month Jul 13 04:40:01 i download movies and stuff to my phone sometimes Jul 13 04:40:02 heh Jul 13 04:40:07 lol Jul 13 04:40:09 i have Jul 13 04:40:11 usually i'll encode some mp4s and download them Jul 13 04:40:18 when i'm stuck at work or something Jul 13 04:40:25 which is great now that you can use bt headphohnes Jul 13 04:40:31 Macer: you pledge to buy this right o.o Jul 13 04:40:38 anyone else using hero rom on the g1? Jul 13 04:40:39 if it roxxx soxxx Jul 13 04:40:39 if it actually works Jul 13 04:40:43 i swear to god i'll buy it ;) Jul 13 04:40:46 ;D Jul 13 04:40:49 is there a program that just does a 1click encode? I tried with a different encoder before and i guess I got the settings wrong because it wouldn't run the mp4 on my phone Jul 13 04:40:49 just don't make it a garbage app Jul 13 04:40:53 that always "force closes" Jul 13 04:40:56 haha Jul 13 04:41:15 Haraken: I've had good experience with handbrake Jul 13 04:41:26 leeds that is the one i used and failed with Jul 13 04:41:26 Macer: haha where did you put this hidd bin? Jul 13 04:41:27 Otherwise you get 1 * and i write "always force closes! garbage! don't trust indian programmers!" Jul 13 04:41:32 huh? Jul 13 04:41:37 in some android dir on that web site Jul 13 04:41:37 Haraken: what format did you use? Jul 13 04:41:41 mp4 Jul 13 04:41:44 i don't even consider that a web site heh Jul 13 04:41:45 Macer: yeah, Indian coders are crap Jul 13 04:41:50 lemme download itagain and see what the options are Jul 13 04:41:57 Haraken: I mean what preset Jul 13 04:42:00 AakashPatel: right? Jul 13 04:42:04 Haraken: use nero recode Jul 13 04:42:05 ah one sec Jul 13 04:42:07 ? Jul 13 04:42:09 hahaha Jul 13 04:42:10 and the ipod profile Jul 13 04:42:11 :) Jul 13 04:42:12 thanks Leeds Jul 13 04:42:14 easiest way to do it Jul 13 04:42:36 i mean it's not like a g1 is the highest res device anyways Jul 13 04:42:38 heh Jul 13 04:42:39 bbl Jul 13 04:42:42 Macer: assuming you are on windows and have a copy of that software lying around, right? Jul 13 04:42:51 Leeds: riiiight. ;) Jul 13 04:43:00 starting handbrake *taps foot* Jul 13 04:43:10 haha Jul 13 04:43:17 ok Jul 13 04:43:21 blah Jul 13 04:43:23 h264 ftw Jul 13 04:43:23 im workin on this tomroorw Jul 13 04:43:28 HandbrakeCLI -Z iPhone foo bar.mp4 Jul 13 04:43:29 AakashPatel: see Jul 13 04:43:31 I didn't use a preset, I just changed the format to mp4 Jul 13 04:43:32 typical Jul 13 04:43:32 all the girls started im'ing me at once Jul 13 04:43:33 :) Jul 13 04:43:42 Haraken: use the iphone preset Jul 13 04:43:48 Leeds, ok thanks Jul 13 04:43:57 Macer: girls > blutoof shit Jul 13 04:44:05 what kind of total bitrate does it end up with? Jul 13 04:44:09 *that preset Jul 13 04:44:11 pretty sure the default would be higher-res/higher-bitrate Jul 13 04:44:16 using "iPhone & iPod Touch" Jul 13 04:44:43 AakashPatel: maybe if you were capable of getting laid Jul 13 04:44:44 haha Jul 13 04:44:46 i did a bunch of tweaking the other day and ended up with a nice balance, need to dig up the ffmpeg settings Jul 13 04:44:49 Macer: lol Jul 13 04:44:51 :P Jul 13 04:45:11 all i have to say is watch your wallet Jul 13 04:45:35 wonder how well this tethe3ring would handle using limewire :) Jul 13 04:45:38 i have no wallet :) Jul 13 04:45:44 actually.. i should see if i can get gtk-gnutella on it Jul 13 04:45:48 ok starting encode *crosses fingers* Jul 13 04:45:55 i have to finish setting up this cygwin crap Jul 13 04:46:06 Haraken: just encode like a 2 min video Jul 13 04:46:07 heh Jul 13 04:46:19 I only have 20 minute videos :P Jul 13 04:46:25 handbrake is pretty good though Jul 13 04:46:32 i love its h264/mkv support Jul 13 04:46:41 mkv is the best container Jul 13 04:46:54 wait a min Jul 13 04:47:01 why does this show computers? Jul 13 04:47:05 jsharkey: seems to use a quality setting rather than a fixed/maximum bitrate Jul 13 04:47:06 if i cant xfer files... Jul 13 04:47:07 Macer: i do like mkv also Jul 13 04:47:10 on bluetooth Jul 13 04:47:18 AakashPatel: freezer! Jul 13 04:47:22 haha Jul 13 04:47:27 did you get it replaced? Jul 13 04:47:43 calling `em 2mr and saying i have "6 pixels" dead Jul 13 04:47:49 where in fact thats only 1 lol Jul 13 04:47:59 since the limit is 5 lmao Jul 13 04:48:16 Leeds: i ended up settling on "-vcodec h263 -r 20 -s cif -b 448k -acodec aac -ac 2 -ar 44000 -ab 128k" using a two-pass approach Jul 13 04:48:33 which ends up being ~576kbps Jul 13 04:48:54 the iphone preset is (deep breath): ./HandBrakeCLI -i DVD -o ~/Movies/movie.mp4 -e x264 -q 0.589999973773956 -a 1 -E faac -B 128 -R 48 -6 dpl2 -f mp4 -X 480 -m -x level=30:cabac=0:ref=2:mixed-refs:analyse=all:me=umh:no-fast-pskip=1 Jul 13 04:48:56 I'm a total noob with ubuntu. if instructions say to 'edit your ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc file. look for a line that sets the PATH environment variable and add the full path to /tools directory to it. if you don't see a line setting the path, you can add one: export PATH=${PATH}:/tools Jul 13 04:49:15 jsharkey: wait... h263? Jul 13 04:49:15 althought i think the audio started de-syncing the longer the video, was okay for ~20min stuff tho Jul 13 04:49:17 wtfdoes it mean? Jul 13 04:49:20 i would use more "" and less {} myself Jul 13 04:49:40 also, whatever i encoded was full of win, because my sapphire battery lasted for about 5 hours of constant playback ^.^ Jul 13 04:49:49 jpa--: what part of that don't you understand? Jul 13 04:49:52 Leeds, pardon? Jul 13 04:49:56 jsharkey: h.264? Jul 13 04:50:12 oh, 263 O_O Jul 13 04:50:15 dunno how to do it Jul 13 04:50:45 how to do what? edit a file? Jul 13 04:50:58 correct Jul 13 04:51:08 use vim Jul 13 04:51:27 also, the 3gp demuxing is lighter on cpu during playback iirc Jul 13 04:51:37 but it really restricts the codecs you can use Jul 13 04:52:26 hey folks, is it possible to take the default slider bar widget and skin it with custom graphics without much work? Jul 13 04:52:38 Has any attempt been made to run a native X server on android devices instead of the default ui system? Jul 13 04:53:00 ObsidianX: yea, it just takes drawables Jul 13 04:53:45 jsharkey: and a noobish question: whats the class called for the slider? i can't seem to find it -.- Jul 13 04:53:48 maannj: still there? Jul 13 04:53:51 Macer: that site sucks Jul 13 04:53:55 it doesnt say where to put the bin Jul 13 04:53:58 twois10, yup Jul 13 04:54:17 maannj: which hero build did you use> Jul 13 04:54:29 JACHero 2.63 Jul 13 04:54:31 what exactly do I type in terminal to add that / tools path ? Jul 13 04:54:42 maannj: what was the problem? Jul 13 04:54:44 ObsidianX: http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/frameworks/base.git;a=blob;f=core/res/res/values/styles.xml#l250 Jul 13 04:54:54 ObsidianX: ProgressBar Jul 13 04:55:19 twois10, there was no problem, but I couldn't partition and format my sdcard using parted so I think that's why it's slow Jul 13 04:55:34 ObsidianX: also, the actual drawable: http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/frameworks/base.git;a=blob;f=core/res/res/drawable/progress_horizontal.xml Jul 13 04:55:36 my sdcard is now all fat32 Jul 13 04:55:47 maannj: so you have to have apps2sd to use the jackhero build? Jul 13 04:55:49 Does anyone here have skymap installed? For some reason it doesn't seem to use my compass any more :-( Jul 13 04:56:12 hm Jul 13 04:56:18 cygwin/X is acting funny Jul 13 04:56:23 can't seem to get any icons in the start menu Jul 13 04:56:29 jsharkey: ah alrighty, thanks =) also there's a child class called SeekBar Jul 13 04:56:31 i'm sure i'[ll have to restart in typical windows fashion Jul 13 04:56:31 twoid10, I think it makes faster but I'm not sure Jul 13 04:56:32 heh Jul 13 04:56:44 * Macer is going to start developing android apps in cygwin Jul 13 04:56:47 ObsidianX: doh yea, forgot about seekbar Jul 13 04:56:49 hahaha Jul 13 04:56:54 just found it =) Jul 13 04:57:09 Macer: o.o Jul 13 04:57:11 ahh Jul 13 04:57:15 you like getting assraped? Jul 13 04:57:16 maannj: you know you can type the first letter of each person id and press tab right? Jul 13 04:57:33 twois10: lol I know but forgot to use it :) Jul 13 04:58:09 twois10: in JAChero post, it says "Auto APPS2SD w/EXT2/EXT3 included script @ /system/bin/a2sd.sh" Jul 13 04:58:15 maannj: when youi say slow...slow like not usable? Jul 13 04:58:41 AakashPatel: what's wrong with cygwin? Jul 13 04:58:42 twois10: well, sometimes it gets fast sometimes it becomes unusable Jul 13 04:58:51 jsharkey: so do i have to give it a new .xml file or do i just rename my graphics to the ones that, that file looks for Jul 13 04:58:53 Macer: i have bad memories Jul 13 04:58:57 twois10: I think I need swap partition, right ? Jul 13 04:58:59 deep dark ones Jul 13 04:59:01 wuss Jul 13 04:59:03 Macer: almost everything, when compare to "just running Linux" Jul 13 04:59:06 maannj: i was considering running it Jul 13 04:59:14 Leeds: but i have xp on my acer aspireone Jul 13 04:59:19 it took forever to get it right. :) Jul 13 04:59:22 Leeds, aye. virtualbox >>>>>>>>> cygwin Jul 13 04:59:23 really i just like it for bash Jul 13 04:59:32 maannj: if it gets to that point where its fast then slow, yeah you may need swap Jul 13 04:59:35 but the xserver helps too for putty/xforward Jul 13 04:59:36 KNY: or, indeed, "just running virtual Linux" Jul 13 04:59:36 hm Jul 13 04:59:42 i wanna make this mouse work with my phone haha Jul 13 04:59:43 twois10: if you have good sdhc card, I think you won't notice slowness. many users are using it Jul 13 04:59:46 Leeds: haha yup Jul 13 04:59:49 well Jul 13 04:59:54 linux has nothing to do with it :) Jul 13 04:59:57 more like gnu Jul 13 04:59:59 ObsidianX: if you define your own drawable, you'd just point your SeekBar's android:progressDrawable at it Jul 13 05:00:04 maannj: i have a class 6 8 gb Jul 13 05:00:12 why must people associate gnu apps with linux? damn you torvalds! Jul 13 05:00:22 lol if i got the mouse working with it i could get rich enough to buy sometihing off the dolar menu! Jul 13 05:00:24 i will try it once i get my 16 gb card Jul 13 05:00:24 Macer: oh, so you'd rather be running the hurd? Jul 13 05:00:30 Leeds: damn straight! Jul 13 05:00:37 and in about 10 more years.. they'll get it right! Jul 13 05:00:38 freak! Jul 13 05:00:39 haha Jul 13 05:00:47 i would if there was a good working kernel Jul 13 05:00:50 twois10: I think 8gb is enough though,many have been using them on 8gb Jul 13 05:00:52 Macer wants to play DNF on his TouchBook running Hurd Jul 13 05:00:53 hurd? i love that vaporware! :) Jul 13 05:01:09 jsharkey: ah alrighty =) thanks Jul 13 05:01:09 KNY: my vaporware touch book running its vaporware kernel ;) Jul 13 05:01:12 maannj: but i have like 6 gb music Jul 13 05:01:18 * Macer is in a fantasy land Jul 13 05:01:24 Macer: on a vapor ware arm cpu Jul 13 05:01:25 sometimes i feel like the late michael jackson Jul 13 05:01:32 AakashPatel: hahaha Jul 13 05:01:35 twois10: oh ok, then wait for the 16 :) I ordered mine just today Jul 13 05:01:35 haha Jul 13 05:01:36 forgot that Jul 13 05:01:37 oh nm, it was a setting Jul 13 05:01:40 AakashPatel, which will get 24 hours while encoding HD video Jul 13 05:01:49 AakashPatel: arm is holding the world up Jul 13 05:01:50 Is there a way to calibrate the compass on the G1? It seems a bit off.. Jul 13 05:01:52 (24 hours battery life) Jul 13 05:01:53 well. i guess ti is actually Jul 13 05:01:55 Macer: haha Jul 13 05:02:00 my arms are Jul 13 05:02:03 savid: whip it around making figure-8s in the air Jul 13 05:02:06 im not kidding :) Jul 13 05:02:07 the entire world is on hold waiting on arm cpus Jul 13 05:02:08 Macer: figure out where this hidd goes Jul 13 05:02:14 you have a beagleboard though don't you? Jul 13 05:02:17 yea Jul 13 05:02:22 AakashPatel: it goes in your path Jul 13 05:02:28 ... Jul 13 05:02:28 you just run it Jul 13 05:02:32 :-P Jul 13 05:02:34 where??? Jul 13 05:02:36 wtf Jul 13 05:02:40 anywhere Jul 13 05:02:42 oh Jul 13 05:02:43 ./hidd works Jul 13 05:02:52 its an excetable??? Jul 13 05:02:54 wtf Jul 13 05:02:54 maannj: i will definetly do hero soon i as get the card, am ordering it now Jul 13 05:02:56 you use hciscan to get the address of the keyboard Jul 13 05:02:59 i thought itw as a drive Jul 13 05:03:04 lol! Jul 13 05:03:05 r Jul 13 05:03:08 driver* Jul 13 05:03:09 you already have a bt driver :-P Jul 13 05:03:17 ahhh Jul 13 05:03:18 damn you Jul 13 05:03:20 :P Jul 13 05:03:21 haha Jul 13 05:03:22 jsharkey: never worked out if it was meant to be horizonal or vertical figure-8 :P Jul 13 05:03:24 there you go Jul 13 05:03:26 even easier Jul 13 05:03:33 all you need to do is use everything that was already made from you Jul 13 05:03:37 and integrate it into the ui :) Jul 13 05:03:46 twois10: awesome good luck :) I'll go to hero theme atm :) Jul 13 05:03:54 if i were you i'd look at the htc onscreen keyboard src Jul 13 05:04:00 and steal their stuff to add it to the ui Jul 13 05:04:19 their keyboard adds options to the locale Jul 13 05:04:28 maannj: yep, the hero theme is really nice, dont forget to remove the cupcake audio Jul 13 05:04:35 now get to work. you have 6 days 20 hours left Jul 13 05:05:00 is there a detailed walkthrough of the android boot process somewhere? Jul 13 05:05:10 twois10: audio widget ? Jul 13 05:05:41 maannj: if you install the hero theme, it comes with the hero audio app/widget Jul 13 05:05:58 twois10: ah kk thanks for advice Jul 13 05:06:01 jsharkey, odd, but yeah that seemed to make it better :-P Jul 13 05:06:11 you can keep them both if you want but i chose to remove one Jul 13 05:07:19 i swear to god i will get gcc to work on this damn phone before i leave work Jul 13 05:08:32 well, okay. perhaps i'l give myself more time since i am trying to do it with just the phone, but whatever :) Jul 13 05:09:03 maannj: one more thing, which brand sd card did you get? Jul 13 05:09:27 i am trying to decide between kingston and adata Jul 13 05:09:29 gcc on the phone??? Jul 13 05:09:33 yes. Jul 13 05:09:36 why? Jul 13 05:09:42 if the iphone can do it... Jul 13 05:09:46 why not cross compile ? Jul 13 05:09:52 because i can't use my laptop at work Jul 13 05:09:57 i see Jul 13 05:10:01 I don't Jul 13 05:10:02 twois10: Transcend Jul 13 05:10:06 and i like a challenge Jul 13 05:10:15 oh, "because it's there" Jul 13 05:10:38 i'm on one of those 'get shit done' kicks Jul 13 05:10:41 twois10: you ? Jul 13 05:10:43 the transcent is $10 more Jul 13 05:10:54 twois10: I couldn't find kingston class 6 16gb Jul 13 05:11:15 if you want to get shit done, there are far far more productive things than getting gcc working on your phone Jul 13 05:11:18 ha, to wit, i'd like to just drop a familiar image on here, but it's not that simple Jul 13 05:11:31 maannj: you are right the kingston is class 2 Jul 13 05:11:43 twois10: aww just saw adata, I might cancel my order to adata Jul 13 05:11:53 changed my order to adata* Jul 13 05:12:37 maannj: this is what am looking at: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211380 Jul 13 05:13:20 twois10: yea I just found that Jul 13 05:14:05 jsharkey: alright, got it themed up, thanks :) the only thing is now its clipping the thumb when its at either end and i dont know how i'd go about either turning off child clipping or prevent it from going that far to the end Jul 13 05:14:23 ObsidianX: its super simple Jul 13 05:14:47 try android:clipChildren="false" Jul 13 05:14:55 hehe, d'oh :P Jul 13 05:14:56 thanks Jul 13 05:15:06 although it might fall apart in that case Jul 13 05:15:14 since those arent children Views, they are just drawables Jul 13 05:15:34 aha Jul 13 05:16:14 did it work? Jul 13 05:16:30 maannj: review: Shows as full in G1 when there is an additional 8,000 megs available. I can only seem to get the files on if i start with a newly formatted card, and drag and drop EVERYTHING at once. Any subsequent attempts to put anything onto the card will give me an error saying "skip" or "try again". Strangely, i can read and copy/paste items from the card to the computer. Jul 13 05:16:51 jsharkey: what about thumbOffset? Jul 13 05:17:15 twois10: is that adata ? Jul 13 05:17:18 ObsidianX: idk havent played with it too much, but worth a try Jul 13 05:17:28 alrighty =) thanks again for the help Jul 13 05:18:19 jsharkey: clipChildren would go on the parent Jul 13 05:18:27 in this case clipToPadding=false might help Jul 13 05:18:47 ah, yes Jul 13 05:19:00 maannj: yes Jul 13 05:19:32 at least the xserver for xp from cygwin is nice :) Jul 13 05:19:35 omg thank god I didn't buy it , thanks :) Jul 13 05:19:41 and always better to use bash over the normal xp dos stuff Jul 13 05:19:54 maannj: but that was one user though Jul 13 05:19:56 lol Jul 13 05:20:20 twois10: I don't want to risk it :) Jul 13 05:20:21 i will let you know which one i get Jul 13 05:20:29 twois10: ok :) Jul 13 05:20:42 ifconfig usb0 down echo "host" > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode echo "1" > /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode Jul 13 05:21:09 usb host mode, for attaching a usb keyboard to the magic... Hmmmm Jul 13 05:22:35 maannj: review (1/5): I have not yet received this order. DHL gave it to USPS, and they can't trace it. Jul 13 05:22:38 lol Jul 13 05:22:43 lol Jul 13 05:25:19 what does 2 ADT mean as far as sd card is concerned? Jul 13 05:25:29 anyone get pdanet working on ubuntu ? Jul 13 05:26:34 here is the comparison page maannj, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010170068%201053325334%201053131144&bop=And&ActiveSearchResult=True&CompareItemList=N82E16820211378%2CN82E16820211380 Jul 13 05:26:38 Leeds, mase_work, looks like you can put the usb port in host mode, but a usb keyboard driver for android is still missing Jul 13 05:27:06 twois10: cool thanks Jul 13 05:27:22 mrincredible: how different is the android kernel from a regular linux kernel in terms of drivers ? Jul 13 05:27:31 twois10: I suppose the $49.99 one got the bad review on g1 ? Jul 13 05:27:51 maannj: it was the 53 Jul 13 05:28:28 oh Jul 13 05:29:03 no one knows what the adt is? Jul 13 05:30:37 am being silly, i think 2 adt means 2 adaptors Jul 13 05:30:40 lmao Jul 13 05:31:06 as it shows in the picture Jul 13 05:31:31 maannj: ok, am getting the one for 49.99 Jul 13 05:31:59 this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211378 Jul 13 05:32:49 twois10: sounds good, I'll get one of this myself too. at least it doesn't have bad review on g1 :) Jul 13 05:33:15 twois10: the only difference is 2 adapters ? Jul 13 05:33:21 maannj: yep but know that its the same card as the one with bad review Jul 13 05:33:48 twois10: hmm you sure you want to get it :) what if you get the same problem Jul 13 05:34:19 maannj: he problably just got dealt a bad hand or dont know what he is doing Jul 13 05:35:18 twois10: yea probably right Jul 13 05:35:31 twois10: well good luck :) Jul 13 05:36:54 maannj: i think he was dealt a bad hand, here is his other thought in the same review: Other Thoughts: I don't know if I have a bad piece of memory? I have the same issue when using the supplied adapter. Jul 13 05:37:30 in other words even when its not connected to G1 he still has the same issue Jul 13 05:37:57 twois10: oh well, you're right. he was unlucky Jul 13 05:40:02 ok i ordered it Jul 13 05:40:12 let us hope my luck is better Jul 13 05:41:27 best luck :) Jul 13 05:42:44 how can i get android to play .MOD video? Jul 13 05:43:06 i know this is an android room, but has anyone ever tethered an iphone 3g in ubuntu? Jul 13 05:44:02 try #ubuntu Jul 13 05:45:03 who has ubuntu Jul 13 05:45:33 good call Jul 13 05:45:33 thx Jul 13 05:45:39 did you end up installing ubuntu ? Jul 13 05:45:43 im about to Jul 13 05:45:46 how much free space do i need Jul 13 05:45:46 nice Jul 13 05:46:02 im not too sure.. i partition mine to only have 12gb as ext3 Jul 13 05:46:13 lol really Jul 13 05:46:14 for now Jul 13 05:46:17 true Jul 13 05:46:28 ya i only have an 80gb hdd in this laptop Jul 13 05:46:30 u can play songs from xp on ubuntu Jul 13 05:47:03 from other partitions Jul 13 05:47:27 yup Jul 13 05:47:34 im still skeptical Jul 13 05:47:59 partition /boot: 256Mb, /:96MB, /home: 132MB Jul 13 05:48:16 orly? Jul 13 05:48:16 lol Jul 13 05:48:33 sorry Jul 13 05:48:42 partition /boot: 256Mb, /:96GB, /home: 132GB Jul 13 05:50:08 partition /boot: 256Mb, /:96GB, /home: 132GB, swap 4GB Jul 13 05:50:20 for openSUSE Jul 13 05:50:38 damn Jul 13 05:50:44 big ass swap Jul 13 05:50:46 i have never used the swap Jul 13 05:50:47 and a big ass root Jul 13 05:50:49 lol Jul 13 05:50:59 you plan on installing everything? Jul 13 05:51:04 yep Jul 13 05:51:06 lol Jul 13 05:51:13 i think my root is like 10 gigs Jul 13 05:51:46 96gb and 73GB free, lol Jul 13 05:51:56 i might just wait cause i don't know what the fuck im doing Jul 13 05:52:10 /msg NickServ identify lissa4me.. Jul 13 05:52:18 sob Jul 13 05:52:26 lol Jul 13 05:52:29 FAIL!!! Jul 13 05:52:34 thanks for the password, lol Jul 13 05:52:34 bigtime Jul 13 05:52:40 hurry and change it Jul 13 05:52:47 lmoa Jul 13 05:52:52 i have done that before Jul 13 05:53:01 me too Jul 13 05:53:02 but only once Jul 13 05:53:32 whats the commnd to change it Jul 13 05:53:52 Wickednix: next time dont do it in a channel/room Jul 13 05:53:53 hm. i wonder why this xforwarding is so slow over the phone Jul 13 05:53:57 it's going like 100K/'s Jul 13 05:54:00 /msg nickserv help Jul 13 05:54:00 that should be fast enough :) Jul 13 05:54:04 should show you Jul 13 05:54:30 #ubuntu is ignoring my iphone tethering question Jul 13 05:54:32 i think they're offended Jul 13 05:54:56 jpa--: you are out of luck because that is the best place to ask Jul 13 05:55:20 what was ya question? Jul 13 05:55:30 5 Jul 13 05:55:32 4 Jul 13 05:55:34 3 Jul 13 05:55:36 2 Jul 13 05:55:37 -24 Jul 13 05:55:38 1 Jul 13 05:55:49 fail Jul 13 05:55:57 Caleb: .... how do you tether an iphone in ubuntu 8.04 ? Jul 13 05:56:17 update to 9.whatever? Jul 13 05:56:30 can't. no internet until i tether Jul 13 05:56:44 only internet i have right now is my cell phone data plan heh Jul 13 05:56:45 buy an android phone :) Jul 13 05:56:50 i have one Jul 13 05:56:55 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNQ6W_yUnII Jul 13 05:57:08 im just also sharing the tether with my roommate who has a mac Jul 13 05:57:18 and the only phone between the 2 of us that works for both of our computers is his iphone Jul 13 05:57:21 there is something that wraps all unix socket connections through a SOCKS proxy Jul 13 05:57:32 my roommate = imac + iphone Jul 13 05:57:36 jpa--: you probably wont find much iphone help here Jul 13 05:57:46 get a new roommate Jul 13 05:57:48 me: htc magic + ubuntu/winxp Jul 13 05:57:49 LOL Jul 13 05:57:49 lol Jul 13 05:58:06 jpa--: so your phone isnt rooted? Jul 13 05:58:20 of course it is Jul 13 05:58:24 http://xn--9bi.net/2009/06/17/tethering-iphone-3-0-to-ubuntu-9-04/ Jul 13 05:58:29 i just haven't been able to get any tethering to work Jul 13 05:58:32 jpa--: ok so why not use wifi tether? Jul 13 05:58:39 or is it a desktop Jul 13 05:59:00 because it keeps giving me an error about iptables or something.. needing insmod? needing to updating kernel version? Jul 13 05:59:04 all that shit is way above my head Jul 13 05:59:17 so far ive rooted, flashed SPL 1.33.2005, and flashed a few roms Jul 13 05:59:19 then why are you using ubuntu - and such an old one? Jul 13 05:59:24 jpa--: is it a desktop or laptop? Jul 13 05:59:26 laptop Jul 13 05:59:28 hmm Jul 13 05:59:33 i guess im lucky Jul 13 05:59:34 old laptop heh Jul 13 05:59:34 if iptables and insmod are beyond you... Jul 13 05:59:41 wifi tether worked instantly Jul 13 06:00:28 Caleb, dont feel bad, i cant get my suse to work with tehter as will but i sure it will i just havent put work into it Jul 13 06:00:38 it has something to do with ad hoc mode Jul 13 06:00:45 caleb that link is for ubuntu 9.04 Jul 13 06:00:47 it worked Jul 13 06:00:47 that could be your propblemt too Jul 13 06:00:47 im on 8.04 Jul 13 06:00:49 for me Jul 13 06:00:52 but that was windows Jul 13 06:00:54 and have no means of updating until i tether Jul 13 06:01:09 jpa--: still should be the same general way Jul 13 06:01:30 Caleb: that was for jpa-- by the way Jul 13 06:02:17 ohh lol Jul 13 06:02:26 jpa--: does you roommate have internet on his/her computer? Jul 13 06:03:11 right now we Jul 13 06:03:13 err Jul 13 06:03:22 right now we're both tethered on his iphone Jul 13 06:03:32 me via USB, him via bluetooth on the same iphone Jul 13 06:03:33 im on winxp right now Jul 13 06:03:38 he's on his imac Jul 13 06:03:42 jpa--: are you interested in actually trying to fix your problem? Jul 13 06:03:56 yes Jul 13 06:03:57 do you know that your Ubuntu install actually has support for your wireless? Jul 13 06:04:07 yes Jul 13 06:04:24 and what happens when you try to connect? Jul 13 06:04:33 can ubuntu see the wifi access point? Jul 13 06:04:34 nothing Jul 13 06:04:43 nothing? Jul 13 06:05:02 there's nothing on screen, no error message, nothing in the logs - it's as though the "connect" button wasn't hooked up to anything? Jul 13 06:05:27 no its not wifi tether Jul 13 06:05:28 jpa--: can unbuntu see you access point? Jul 13 06:05:28 lol Jul 13 06:05:38 just the iphone 3.0 stock "internet tethering" option Jul 13 06:05:41 usb and bluetooth Jul 13 06:05:48 sigh Jul 13 06:05:54 what the fuck does iphone have to do with it? Jul 13 06:06:02 lol Jul 13 06:06:11 he wont answer my question Jul 13 06:06:11 right now, we're tethered on an iphone Jul 13 06:06:13 and i want to boot into ubuntu Jul 13 06:06:17 so do that Jul 13 06:06:21 twois10: i just told you it's not wifi tether Jul 13 06:06:30 which answers your question Jul 13 06:06:37 get your ubuntu online with your mate's iphone, then come back and we'll get it online with Android Jul 13 06:06:40 jpa--: but again can unbutu see the access point? Jul 13 06:06:47 ...... Jul 13 06:07:10 jpa--: you need to boot to ubuntu and see if it sees the access point Jul 13 06:07:13 or you want to do it via usb? Jul 13 06:07:17 if so then it should be easy from then Jul 13 06:10:10 jpa--: you there? Jul 13 06:11:05 guess that's a no Jul 13 06:11:52 he rebooted i bet Jul 13 06:12:22 he's still online Jul 13 06:12:43 good lord this ssh xforwarding is going so slow Jul 13 06:12:43 haha Jul 13 06:12:46 it's horrible :) Jul 13 06:12:56 i thought 80-100K/s would be good enough Jul 13 06:13:05 considering it just had to draw windows on the local side Jul 13 06:13:15 GUESS I'M WRONG.. maybe i have some sort of compression turned off or something Jul 13 06:13:30 that's what VNC/nx/etc. are for Jul 13 06:15:03 GUESS SO Jul 13 06:15:16 Leeds: naw. i've used xforwarding over slower connections than this before and it was n't as slow ;) Jul 13 06:15:21 i forgot to turn compression on Jul 13 06:15:41 that explains a few other things too... like the somewhat laggy typing Jul 13 06:15:43 heh Jul 13 06:16:01 haha Jul 13 06:16:04 let's see how well it helps with firefox Jul 13 06:16:08 although firefox is kind of a beast Jul 13 06:16:26 especailly considering i'm running this shell server on an artigo haha Jul 13 06:16:49 well.. at least it opened up faster :) that's promising.. but it's still taking quite a while to draw the windows Jul 13 06:18:43 damn talk about taking forever. i guess ff wasn't the best thing to use for this :) Jul 13 06:24:40 what happened to jpa--? Jul 13 06:27:00 he gave up, I think Jul 13 06:27:06 nah Jul 13 06:27:18 trying alternate method Jul 13 06:27:26 gonna install pdanet Jul 13 06:27:30 and setup an ad-hoc network Jul 13 06:27:33 boom Jul 13 06:27:58 roommate just kinda screwed things up trying to install a cracked version of pdanet Jul 13 06:29:56 well, good luck with that Jul 13 06:38:58 my life be like ohhhhhhhh ahhhhhhh ohhhhhhhh Jul 13 06:39:03 im gonna install ubuntu right now Jul 13 06:39:07 jpa Jul 13 06:39:10 ext3? Jul 13 06:39:41 howdy Jul 13 06:40:11 oh he peace'd Jul 13 06:40:17 well im installing ubuntu be back Jul 13 06:51:57 rTk_cool: use btrfs Jul 13 06:52:02 * Macer grins Jul 13 06:52:17 yeah. xforwarding over this phone runs like crap Jul 13 06:52:22 maybe i can scale it down or something Jul 13 06:52:50 ext4 Jul 13 06:53:55 oh screw ext4 Jul 13 06:54:02 rTk_cool: install opensolaris Jul 13 06:54:04 it's better Jul 13 06:54:06 :) Jul 13 06:54:31 nah, don't do that Jul 13 06:54:35 yeah do it Jul 13 06:54:54 ubuntu is for pansies! install opensolaris. that will put hair on your chest Jul 13 06:55:03 lol Jul 13 06:55:10 opensolaris was easy to install Jul 13 06:55:12 heh Jul 13 06:55:16 if he wants torture Jul 13 06:55:18 gentoo Jul 13 06:55:20 solaris sucks Jul 13 06:55:34 Leeds: solaris doesn't suck. It blows Jul 13 06:55:40 nah, it sucks Jul 13 06:55:59 I worked on it for years :P Jul 13 06:57:10 Caleb: no harder than ubuntu ;) Jul 13 06:57:16 mase_work: haha Jul 13 06:57:20 lol Jul 13 06:57:26 i use archlinux Jul 13 06:57:30 it was easy to install Jul 13 06:57:31 Leeds: you mean you've worked on it years ago? :) Jul 13 06:57:36 2009.06 is awesome Jul 13 06:57:46 never used the sxce stuff though Jul 13 06:57:57 sxce? Jul 13 06:58:05 Macer: both... Jul 13 06:58:12 Leeds: it's great Jul 13 06:58:19 i replaced all my other boxes with it Jul 13 06:58:20 no, it isn't Jul 13 06:58:23 except my fbsd dns Jul 13 06:58:25 :) Jul 13 06:58:40 and i had to use a centos vbox for my zimbra server Jul 13 06:58:48 ill stick with linux Jul 13 06:58:57 and if i would switch it would be a bsd not solaris Jul 13 06:59:02 Caleb: coward! Jul 13 06:59:38 Caleb: haha.. well.. to each their own ;) linux is good. but i just found after using opensolaris for a couple of months that it is probably the best thing i have run as far as a server goes Jul 13 07:00:02 opensolaris != solaris :) Jul 13 07:00:06 opensolaris is good Jul 13 07:00:20 er.. i said opensolaris Jul 13 07:00:22 well in some regads Jul 13 07:00:25 regards Jul 13 07:00:27 i've honestly never used solaris Jul 13 07:00:28 mase_work: you knew what i meant Jul 13 07:00:31 haha Jul 13 07:00:51 i was only playing :) Jul 13 07:01:00 heh Jul 13 07:01:06 opensolaris is awesome Jul 13 07:01:14 fanboy Jul 13 07:01:18 haha Jul 13 07:01:23 well.. it is as a server Jul 13 07:01:26 it does have its good sides Jul 13 07:01:28 i guess it's OK as a desktop Jul 13 07:01:47 not nearly as good to use as linux tho as a desktop tbh Jul 13 07:01:53 but it's getting there :) Jul 13 07:02:01 if only they'd swap over to a qt based wm Jul 13 07:02:06 gtk is on its way out Jul 13 07:02:15 * Macer tries to stomp gtk to death Jul 13 07:02:16 well see it has more potential because its stable binary wise Jul 13 07:02:20 ha ha, fanboy wanker Jul 13 07:02:25 where as linux isn't and doesn't intend to be Jul 13 07:02:39 which sucks for people like me who are more freedom oriented Jul 13 07:02:46 mase_work: yeah they're rather strict on their pkgs Jul 13 07:02:47 but for those who just want a better desktop Jul 13 07:03:09 it's like waiting for the fda to approve drugs Jul 13 07:03:10 it will be good because those nvidia drivers will just keep working Jul 13 07:03:15 haha Jul 13 07:03:18 i suppose so Jul 13 07:03:24 i have it on a k45 as a desktop Jul 13 07:03:44 also proprieatary companies will like opensolaris more than linux because they can just make a package and thats that Jul 13 07:03:47 but i also have it on a fileserver and my shell artigo Jul 13 07:03:55 with it's C7/1GHz awesomeness Jul 13 07:03:56 :) Jul 13 07:03:56 they don't have to worry about newer versions breaking stuff Jul 13 07:04:06 i honestly wish i had gotten a C7 based netbook Jul 13 07:04:42 mase_work: or the inability to track where somethign got broken so just kind of taping over it with other redundant ugly code? Jul 13 07:04:58 * Macer grins Jul 13 07:05:22 like someone who has a crack in the foundation of their house and just starts pouring concrete all over the place Jul 13 07:06:03 this is true also Jul 13 08:03:09 word up Jul 13 08:19:38 is there a known error with CursorTreeAdapter's automatic requery? Jul 13 08:20:57 wow what an adventure it was trying to tether an iphone in ubuntu Jul 13 08:20:58 with no luck Jul 13 09:14:08 i know this might not be the best place to ask.. Jul 13 09:14:16 anyone got a goog tutorial for how to use the google maps api to load/insert data from/to my mysql database? Jul 13 09:14:28 good* Jul 13 09:16:07 how can i get adb to work on x64 linux? Jul 13 09:16:17 open suse to be exact Jul 13 09:40:06 Has anyone here played with PhoneFactory.makeDefaultPhones() and PhoneFactory.getDefaultPhones() Jul 13 09:40:08 ? Jul 13 10:07:02 Whats the best 'swappiness' to have Jul 13 10:33:19 your linker doesn't seem to work: Jul 13 10:40:21 Hi, I'm interested if there were any attempts to make something like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GDl2r0RxpE ? Or does anybody know any sites about outlook of android apps? Jul 13 10:55:06 when is the adc2 challenge deadline? Jul 13 11:02:23 how do you resolve this: http://pastebin.org/1320 Jul 13 11:08:27 http://pastebin.org/1322 Jul 13 11:09:21 hi all. is there a means to access files on my sd card via android os? i have stored a txt file which i need to access Jul 13 11:11:43 twois10: maybe you only have 64-bit libraries? Jul 13 11:12:40 elementz : start a terminal, and just use vi? Jul 13 11:13:14 ard: on an android non-rooted device??? Jul 13 11:13:16 sipa1024: check out the pastebin Jul 13 11:13:45 copoilot woo Jul 13 11:15:33 elementz : Hmmm, I thought vi was also part of the base installation. I could be mistaken of course. As a real nerd I gently waited 3 weeks before I just reflashed it with something I can live with :-) Jul 13 11:15:52 ard: just got it for two days now Jul 13 11:16:10 and its the galaxy. guess it hasn't been rooted yet. or has it? Jul 13 11:16:21 Hmmm, dunno. Jul 13 11:16:53 twois10: i did Jul 13 11:17:14 he looks for a libgcc Jul 13 11:17:19 but only finds a 64-bit one Jul 13 11:17:26 while he's compiling for a 32-bit target Jul 13 11:17:32 elementz : isn't the galaxy an old windows mobile? Jul 13 11:17:40 ard: lol no Jul 13 11:17:49 galaxy == first samsung android phone Jul 13 11:17:54 ah Jul 13 11:17:56 Ok :-) Jul 13 11:18:01 also known as i7500 Jul 13 11:18:12 sipa1024: thx Jul 13 11:18:23 sounds good Jul 13 11:18:37 * ard needs the keyboard of the g1 though Jul 13 11:19:08 it's so much saver when logged into a remote power supply Jul 13 11:19:30 ok, anyone else got an idea how to convenently browse any files on the sdcard from the device? Jul 13 11:19:35 sipa1024: 32bit gcc? Jul 13 11:26:30 uhhh Linda File Manger? Jul 13 11:42:51 sipa1024: just to let you know i have libgcc 32bit installed Jul 13 11:57:06 if i want to android developemnt build you git, whats the server? Jul 13 11:57:43 if i want get the android developemnt builds using git, what's the server? Jul 13 11:58:57 just one more re-phrase and we'll get it Jul 13 11:59:00 ;-) Jul 13 11:59:27 lol Jul 13 11:59:39 yeah i missed "to" Jul 13 12:00:55 twois: google for android source Jul 13 12:01:03 one of the first few links will help Jul 13 12:01:14 blau-mikeDG: i didnt know that Jul 13 12:01:49 seriously? Jul 13 12:02:06 lmao Jul 13 12:02:44 blau-mikeDG, get your replacement yet? Jul 13 12:02:46 git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/manifest.git Jul 13 12:02:58 generic: havent sent it in, still looking for a decent box Jul 13 12:03:17 blau-mikeDG: thanks, i was here http://source.android.com/download#TOC-Other-Linux reading some things Jul 13 12:12:37 hm Jul 13 12:17:20 so i cant use git, i must use repo Jul 13 12:17:30 ? Jul 13 12:17:55 what do you mean with 'repo' ? Jul 13 12:18:21 ah you mean that tool you need to download? Jul 13 12:18:28 i believe it's a wrapper around git Jul 13 12:18:35 http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/frameworks/base.git;a=tree;f=data/fonts Jul 13 12:19:06 i get only the xml list with all the projects i wnat Jul 13 12:19:30 Repo is a tool that we built on top of Git. Repo helps us manage the many Git repositories, does the uploads to our revision control system, and automates parts of the Android development workflow. Repo is not meant to replace Git, only to make it easier to work with Git in the context of Android. The repo command is an executable Python script that you can put anywhere in your path. Jul 13 12:19:39 http://source.android.com/download/using-repo Jul 13 12:19:45 this is what i run git clone git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/manifest.git Jul 13 12:20:10 Hi, does anyone know anything about androids relationship to Google chrome OS? was android intended to be the google OS but later abandoned in favour of a more abstracted OS based on web based apps Jul 13 12:21:23 so, it's true? Jul 13 12:22:06 what's true, DammitJim? Jul 13 12:22:22 the new T-Mobile HTC MyTouch? Jul 13 12:22:28 sipa1024: why cant i download the directories? Jul 13 12:25:26 must i install repo Jul 13 12:25:41 twois10: it's just a script... Jul 13 12:29:10 I *hate* rain. Jul 13 12:29:35 I have crappy phone lines, so my DSL throws a fit :-/ Jul 13 12:30:08 my parents is like that Jul 13 12:30:09 replace the external pots interface Jul 13 12:30:12 when it rains, dsl is down for days Jul 13 12:30:26 sipa1024: you have to enter a user/password? Jul 13 12:30:30 no Jul 13 12:30:39 usually that's where the problem is when it rains Jul 13 12:32:41 sipa1024: so i guess you can just use git Jul 13 12:32:51 you cant'* Jul 13 12:33:03 i think you can, it's just somewhat harder :) Jul 13 12:33:14 DammitJim: and what's true about the t-mobile mytouch? Jul 13 12:33:17 its working now Jul 13 12:33:30 using the repo script Jul 13 12:33:49 it's coming out and it's a LOT better than the G1? Jul 13 12:34:21 it's +- the same as the htc magic, which is already out here (=europe) Jul 13 12:35:58 thanks, sipa1024 ... Jul 13 12:36:06 I guess I'm getting buyer's remorse for not waiting Jul 13 12:36:11 I just got my G1 over a month ago Jul 13 12:36:33 the only things I don't like about it are camera is slow for taking pictures and quality doesn't seem very good and battery life Jul 13 12:36:44 does the mytouch come with a different processor? Jul 13 12:36:52 the battery life has improved with cupcake though Jul 13 12:39:16 Ge0rG, thank you for pointing that out. I never got to experience pre-cupcake performance. Jul 13 12:40:14 i believe g1/dream mytouch/magic and hero all have the same processor Jul 13 12:41:19 sipa, the question is are the buses/boards the magic and other android devices using this processor better than that of the original G1 Jul 13 12:41:21 * DammitJim keeps googling Jul 13 12:41:25 yep Jul 13 12:41:50 just different ram Jul 13 12:42:37 more ram or different ram? Jul 13 12:42:46 more Jul 13 12:43:17 depends on the market Jul 13 12:43:42 not all magics ship with more ram than the dream Jul 13 12:43:57 US mytough 3g is also shipped with 192, iirc? Jul 13 12:44:35 for some reason i get turned on when i hear support for windows is currently not available Jul 13 12:44:50 only linux and mac are supported Jul 13 12:45:19 itp: that is same as g1 Jul 13 12:45:36 but it has more internal mem Jul 13 12:45:37 whoa, twois10 what is not available for windows? Jul 13 12:46:15 DammitJim: http://source.android.com/download#TOC-Setting-up-your-machine Jul 13 12:47:14 oh, to build... sorry, that should have been obvious (#android) Jul 13 12:57:59 sipa1024: how can i get adb to work in linux? Jul 13 12:58:36 worked out of the box here Jul 13 12:58:49 are you on x64 Jul 13 12:59:19 ugh Jul 13 12:59:24 yes i am Jul 13 12:59:25 i can't figure out why this vpn crap connected 1 time Jul 13 12:59:27 but won't anymore Jul 13 13:00:39 twois10: don't know if you did, but i didn't build android or the sdk from source Jul 13 13:01:10 i didnt build the sdk from source either Jul 13 13:03:40 any of you part of the IEEE? Jul 13 13:10:49 it simply wont find the device Jul 13 13:13:14 twois10: does your system actually recognise the device being connected by usb? Jul 13 13:13:53 hey, ive just installed the jf 1.5.1 rom and its taking forever to boot up Jul 13 13:13:57 like 15 minutes Jul 13 13:14:12 last time i installed a rom it took like, 5... Jul 13 13:14:29 pwned :( Jul 13 13:14:40 can I take out the battery and try again? Jul 13 13:14:41 fotoflo: I think something has gon wrong Jul 13 13:15:25 fotoflo: are you able to adb logcat? if so, is it looping? Jul 13 13:15:48 sorry, whats that, itp? Jul 13 13:16:22 android debug bridge, it's part of the sdk Jul 13 13:16:32 it allows you to communicate with the phone over usb Jul 13 13:16:45 adb logcat would dump log messages about what the phone is doing Jul 13 13:16:47 but only once the phone is booted now?? Jul 13 13:16:52 well Jul 13 13:16:53 dropped the battery and tried again Jul 13 13:16:55 rebooted fine Jul 13 13:16:57 there's booted, and then there's booted Jul 13 13:16:57 Liam_: if you mean can i access data on the device, yes Jul 13 13:17:12 and so does lsusb Jul 13 13:17:29 whoah Jul 13 13:17:39 and now its telling me all these applications need to be forced closed Jul 13 13:18:34 what did you have installed before jf 1.5.1? Jul 13 13:18:43 lamusic`: sorry, haven't tried yet, busy/lazy over the weekend : ( Jul 13 13:18:55 I'll try and load it up today, though Jul 13 13:19:01 hipak 1.5 Jul 13 13:19:05 err 1.7 Jul 13 13:19:29 sorry, hiapk Jul 13 13:20:38 did you do a wipe from recovery? Jul 13 13:20:40 crap, this jf doesnt seem to have a soft keyboard Jul 13 13:20:45 no Jul 13 13:20:51 ill try that now Jul 13 13:20:59 twois10: the only issue i had is having to start the adb server from root, or using sudo adb kill-server, adb sudo start-server then the device got recognised Jul 13 13:21:06 i did do a nandroid though :-) Jul 13 13:21:51 wiped and repapplying update.zip Jul 13 13:28:01 sshit Jul 13 13:28:16 how do i exit the welcome wizard? Jul 13 13:29:38 i needwihout setting up my account Jul 13 13:30:01 stupid phone wont let me setup wifi before connecting to my google account Jul 13 13:30:16 Google "t-mobile g1 activate over wifi" Jul 13 13:30:17 fotoflo: RC33? Jul 13 13:30:31 Basically, you use ADB to force the WiFi page to open, then activate over that. Jul 13 13:30:39 is it RC29, 1.1, or cupcake? Jul 13 13:30:48 cupcake Jul 13 13:30:53 jf 1.5.1 Jul 13 13:30:59 cupcake should have an option for skipping then. Jul 13 13:31:06 nope Jul 13 13:31:32 no, there's definitely an option in 1.5 where you can choose "create a google account", "use an existing google account", "skip this for now" Jul 13 13:31:39 Hi ! Jul 13 13:31:41 it is entirely possible that 1.5 isn't actually installed. Jul 13 13:31:56 your update may have been a flub; did it mention verification failed or anything? Jul 13 13:31:57 is #android-fr depending from #android ? Jul 13 13:32:03 no Jul 13 13:32:06 deus13: I do not know Jul 13 13:32:12 and i had cupcake before Jul 13 13:32:13 ok thanks :) Jul 13 13:32:37 fotoflo: well, so have I, and it definitely asks if you want to skip when you get to the part where you're asked how you want to handle your google account./ Jul 13 13:32:44 scroll down Jul 13 13:33:23 i had a cupckae install (HiAPK) , then i installed jf 1.5.1... Jul 13 13:33:28 how could i have downgraded Jul 13 13:33:30 ? Jul 13 13:33:36 ... Jul 13 13:33:42 wait, you got cupcake via a program? Jul 13 13:33:49 were you at cupcake before? Jul 13 13:34:03 ? Jul 13 13:34:10 because I'm strongly going to bet that you actually just wiped your user data w/o updating to cupcake. Jul 13 13:34:23 no Jul 13 13:34:35 I'm betting that is what happened. Jul 13 13:34:37 cause i had a chinese/english install Jul 13 13:34:44 and now i have an english/spanish install Jul 13 13:34:52 hmm. Jul 13 13:35:20 If you have the modified recovery mode you should be able to use adb to push a new update.zip onto your phone Jul 13 13:35:26 I'd suggest trying to put on cupcake that way Jul 13 13:35:28 fuck it Jul 13 13:35:36 im going to nan ('scue my language) Jul 13 13:35:38 nandroid back Jul 13 13:35:40 and go to slee Jul 13 13:35:42 p Jul 13 13:35:45 glhf Jul 13 13:35:45 and worry about it in the morning Jul 13 13:38:21 thanks Jul 13 13:38:50 all better Jul 13 13:38:52 good night :-) Jul 13 13:49:39 greatest app ever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_wHhmy5N5A&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fdrunkblocker.appspot.com%2F&feature=player_embedded Jul 13 13:51:14 bastards Jul 13 13:51:29 i am contacting comcast trying to get either a firmware update for my damn business crap Jul 13 13:51:50 that has vpn. or if i can just use it as a bridge and use my wrt Jul 13 13:52:07 thats what i did Jul 13 13:52:28 the problem with comcast is they block ports and they bottleneck u Jul 13 13:52:31 NexVision: you have a comcast business line? Jul 13 13:52:35 then they swear they dont Jul 13 13:52:38 not if you have a business line ;) Jul 13 13:52:38 i used to Jul 13 13:52:40 heh Jul 13 13:52:44 i have never had a problem with them Jul 13 13:52:46 yes even if u have business line Jul 13 13:53:00 lol Jul 13 13:53:05 i used to have them at 4 locations Jul 13 13:53:07 * Macer pictures comcast blocking vpn ports Jul 13 13:53:17 i honestly never had them throttle me down Jul 13 13:53:20 i complained abouot being bottlenecked they told me business customers are not Jul 13 13:53:22 they have usually been good Jul 13 13:53:39 i switched and then was informed when a tech came out i wa being bottlenecked Jul 13 13:53:53 since my same problems began again Jul 13 13:54:07 switched to dsl 12.0 by me Jul 13 13:54:13 havent had a problem since Jul 13 13:54:29 i didnt even change anything on my end cept the ip addy in my machines Jul 13 13:54:37 and bam everything worked Jul 13 13:54:45 so comcast is full of shit Jul 13 13:54:57 they block and they throttle and they LIE ABOUT IT Jul 13 13:55:16 over here in florida they fucking block port 21 Jul 13 13:55:42 pisses me off i had to enable port 23 as a secondary on my servers Jul 13 13:55:50 for all my customers in south florida Jul 13 13:57:31 the other prob i had with them is they have no interdepartmental communication Jul 13 13:58:14 NexVision: it's to keep all the drug smugglers out Jul 13 13:58:21 i switched from pers to business and every week the tech would come by and unhook me since i cut off my personal and switched to business but they would unplug me since i didnt have personal anymore Jul 13 13:58:59 but zer0 we dont use the internet to smuggle we use txt Jul 13 13:59:14 to many ways to trace on i-net Jul 13 13:59:17 damn it, i knew there was a flaw in my logic Jul 13 13:59:26 throw aways and txt are much more logical Jul 13 13:59:51 and the best are boost due to the frequencies Jul 13 13:59:56 ;) Jul 13 14:00:07 > Jul 13 14:00:07 basically... i just want it to work as a cable modem and nothing more. after that i can easily do what i need. Jul 13 14:00:10 Jethro(Mon Jul 13 2009 09:58:06 GMT-0500 (CDT))> Jul 13 14:00:13 Oh alright. For you to be able to have a wired connection (cable modem only), all you need to do is to connect your PC directly to your modem. Jul 13 14:00:20 they sure have hte cream of the crop for the comcast chat support :) Jul 13 14:00:46 lol Jul 13 14:01:03 u need to switch the smc barricade into bridged mode Jul 13 14:01:34 i was looking all over Jul 13 14:01:35 if u call and tell them they will login and do it prob ur best option Jul 13 14:01:38 is this an actual switch? :) Jul 13 14:01:52 its a toggle in the software config Jul 13 14:01:53 i just need to use my own router Jul 13 14:02:03 yeah i know Jul 13 14:02:10 i used a linksys flashed with ddwrt Jul 13 14:02:17 lol Jul 13 14:02:23 that is what i'm trying to do Jul 13 14:02:26 i mean exactly Jul 13 14:02:28 but this stupid router Jul 13 14:02:30 still use it with my dsl to Jul 13 14:02:40 i tried natting it over to my wifi router Jul 13 14:02:45 but that didn't work :) Jul 13 14:02:48 call them would be easiest Jul 13 14:02:52 i was going to dmz it to the wrt Jul 13 14:03:03 there smc is runnign a internal nat as well Jul 13 14:03:04 but that is such a disgusting way to do it haha Jul 13 14:03:09 which is a big part of the problem Jul 13 14:03:13 OH Jul 13 14:03:15 wtf?? Jul 13 14:03:23 that sucks haha Jul 13 14:03:34 ah well.. let me call these damn people Jul 13 14:07:22 i swear Jul 13 14:07:29 the worst thing ever invented was hold Jul 13 14:08:02 i wonder if i will have to wait on hold this long when like... my lease is up in a couple months :) Jul 13 14:08:06 haha Jul 13 14:24:49 so i found out why my phone was bombing Jul 13 14:24:59 apparently the skype lite client blows shit up if set to run in background Jul 13 14:25:03 dosent really work, just blows shit up Jul 13 14:36:21 Hi Jul 13 14:38:24 so, I got an android phone, and want to share my 3g uplink with my laptop... and I am really annoyed by the fact its not possible just like any other phone... I'd rather not break my phone (root it), but I need that feature Jul 13 14:39:29 NexVision: thansk Jul 13 14:39:39 called them up and they activated the vpn section of the modem Jul 13 14:39:41 wtf? :) Jul 13 14:39:47 why would they have that disabled by default? Jul 13 14:39:54 i'm vpning over my phone now heh Jul 13 14:40:01 they disable everything by default Jul 13 14:40:07 yeah the bastards Jul 13 14:40:11 UdontKnow: tetherbot is the only way I know to do it without rooting Jul 13 14:40:16 i don't understand why she said my modem was wide open Jul 13 14:40:23 when i have nat enabled still Jul 13 14:40:31 like i said its what they always say Jul 13 14:40:39 haha Jul 13 14:40:41 9 times out of 10 your gonna get the runaround Jul 13 14:40:52 naw.. she activated it right off the bat Jul 13 14:40:56 and if u call them and tellk them your having dropouts Jul 13 14:40:59 UdontKnow: rooting it won't "break" it. Jul 13 14:41:06 there gonna tell u its the modem Jul 13 14:41:12 i simply asked her "is there a firmware update or something you can send to enable vpn?" Jul 13 14:41:16 lol Jul 13 14:41:18 and if u say well its yours come replace it Jul 13 14:41:24 they will say maybe its not the modem Jul 13 14:41:27 and she said "oh.. it's turnede off" Jul 13 14:41:33 NexVision: haha Jul 13 14:41:38 UdontKnow: yes, thats anoying, its like on the iphone... Jul 13 14:41:39 or tell you to drop it off at an office Jul 13 14:41:42 downtown? :) Jul 13 14:41:43 haha Jul 13 14:41:44 but yet its in a section of the router u cant even see Jul 13 14:42:20 when companys do shit like that it really irks me Jul 13 14:42:26 heck, my provider allows me to do anything, even SIP. I had to download a non-market version of sipdroid for that... Was already annoyed. Now this tethering stuff ... Jul 13 14:42:28 UdontKnow: don't know what exactly is possible without rooting. maybe you can install a http or socks proxy on the phone. Jul 13 14:42:50 NexVision: well.. .they got it working Jul 13 14:42:55 I found this AziLink which does tethering over adb Jul 13 14:42:56 :) i'm even using my "local" dns Jul 13 14:43:07 but then, its not over bluetooth or wifi :/ Jul 13 14:43:18 UdontKnow: i use a software named "tetherbot". its also using adb. Jul 13 14:43:25 how good is the encryption on this anyways? Jul 13 14:43:29 Macer told u to call them :p Jul 13 14:43:32 safe enough to use vnc over? Jul 13 14:43:34 NexVision: i did Jul 13 14:43:35 Gelb: tetherbot is a proxy, azilink is not Jul 13 14:43:37 they enabled it Jul 13 14:43:39 i know Jul 13 14:43:42 oh Jul 13 14:43:43 :) Jul 13 14:44:03 i said thank you Jul 13 14:44:04 heh Jul 13 14:44:08 UdontKnow: and azilink works without root? Jul 13 14:44:18 Gelb: yes, should Jul 13 14:44:23 now i can use vnc without beign worried Jul 13 14:44:25 Gelb: its an OpenVPN endpoint Jul 13 14:44:32 even though i probably wouldn't use it for high security things anyways Jul 13 14:44:38 it is ncie to knwo i can use the vpn Jul 13 14:44:54 now, if it worked over wifi or bluetooth :) Jul 13 14:45:03 UdontKnow: interesting. for me the socks-solution is ok. and I like using usb, because the phone battery is loaded then. Jul 13 14:46:10 Gelb: yeah, but then my 6-cell laptop battery goes to hell, and I get to carry wires around Jul 13 14:46:20 i think i have to clear my dns cache or something Jul 13 14:46:27 because i can't seem to connect to web sites still Jul 13 14:46:34 even though everything else seems ok Jul 13 14:47:12 i'm getting the ip addresses but nothing else Jul 13 14:47:16 wtf :) Jul 13 14:47:20 oh crap.. i just realized Jul 13 14:48:17 anyone in here own a g1 ? Jul 13 14:48:56 Kingsy101: why do you ask? :) Jul 13 14:49:06 nope Jul 13 14:49:26 not a single person, ;) Jul 13 14:49:28 well, I just downloaded a file manager to sort out my photos (there are too many to just sit in on folder) Jul 13 14:49:39 UdontKnow: the device doesn't need much power. I think the maximum power a device can get using usb is 2,5 watt. Jul 13 14:49:41 so I sorted them out into a few nicly named folders.. Jul 13 14:49:57 but now the gallery app cant find the images because they arnt in the folders it expects Jul 13 14:50:00 Gelb: hmmm, nod Jul 13 14:50:05 lalala Jul 13 14:50:24 so I was hoping there was a different gallery app available for download in which you can choose where it looks for the photos ? Jul 13 14:50:29 UdontKnow: and wifi or bluetooth also needs power, both on your laptop and on the phone. Jul 13 14:50:31 well, apart from tethering, what else can I gain from "rooting" ? Jul 13 14:50:32 Kingsy101: I am not too surpriced Jul 13 14:50:41 Gelb: yeah, I know that Jul 13 14:50:57 jelg - what do you mean ? Jul 13 14:51:10 UdontKnow: not much... you can install an alternative firmware, but this is not so interesting... Jul 13 14:52:12 Kingsy101: I believe the standard camera app and gallery app are rather closely connected and expect to have control of where the photos are stored etc Jul 13 14:53:36 hmm it would be nice in the gallery app if I could add different folders to it Jul 13 14:54:12 are there any gallery apps out there that does that ? Jul 13 14:54:40 kingsy101: an even better way to organize photos would be to used labels or tags Jul 13 14:55:42 kingsy101: Gallery seems to be able to find pictures from a bunch of places on my ADP Jul 13 14:56:25 yea it does the same for me aswell but it doesnt go into sub directories Jul 13 14:57:14 Hello Jul 13 15:00:57 ciao a tutti Jul 13 15:01:00 !list Jul 13 15:01:09 Kingsy101: I think it does? It just shows each subfolder as a new "category" at the first screen Jul 13 15:03:38 not for me it doesnt Jul 13 15:04:17 I have a folder on the SD called Photo Album and two subdirectories in that folder both with pictures in, and they don't show up in the gallery Jul 13 15:04:37 by default, it will read the entire card, except for directories with a file called ".nomedia" in them Jul 13 15:05:17 Leeds - hmmm so how to come its not seeing these folders ? Jul 13 15:05:25 dunno Jul 13 15:05:32 Kingsy101: look again :-) (scroll down) Jul 13 15:05:54 lol I have Jul 13 15:06:08 Kingsy101: try reboot? Jul 13 15:06:22 tats a good idea Jul 13 15:06:24 ok 1 sedc Jul 13 15:06:26 sec Jul 13 15:07:28 whoever thought that the music player should archive every folder on the SD card needs a slap Jul 13 15:07:39 shuffling all sorts of crap into my playlist Jul 13 15:08:40 Isn't Menu-z supposed to undo things? It does not work for me; neither does Shift-Del (forward delete character) and some other combinations. Jul 13 15:08:48 jelg - it just needed a re-boot :) Jul 13 15:09:26 IanPM: I have the same problem! I'm forced to make playlsts or hear voice recordings, voicemails, and other custom ringtones Jul 13 15:13:53 which is why you create a file called .nomedia in the directories you don't want indexing Jul 13 15:14:55 and if that little fact was more widely-known, I'm sure that things like voice recorders would do so for you Jul 13 15:18:22 i can't remember who i was talking to about this last night, but iphone preset on handbrake works great! Jul 13 15:18:24 in ktorrent RSS how do I exclude a "String Matching". All i need is a not statement for a string Jul 13 15:19:29 that was me Jul 13 15:19:39 Leeds, thank you :) Jul 13 15:19:55 np Jul 13 15:19:56 now i can become absorbed into anime no matter where I am at Jul 13 15:20:04 (I'm having a huge desire to buy a brick battery) Jul 13 15:20:35 I'm curious, is there documentation about how the Bluetooth API looks? Jul 13 15:22:33 Ther eis no API Jul 13 15:22:41 I wonder if there are any class 6 16gb microsdhc Jul 13 15:22:45 Yeah Jul 13 15:22:54 Haraken: there are Jul 13 15:23:02 AakashPatel, how about 32gb? Jul 13 15:23:33 is there an easy way to profile/benchmark an application? Jul 13 15:23:44 looks like just 16gb for now Jul 13 15:24:33 nope Jul 13 15:24:35 AakashPatel: I've seen books that write about it as it "will look in the future". I was wondering on what basis that is. Jul 13 15:24:37 there are none Jul 13 15:24:54 I guess there is no basis hehe Jul 13 15:25:32 Who here is a security camera expert Jul 13 15:26:01 Define 'expert'. I work with 'em I guess. Jul 13 15:26:08 http://www.surveillance-video.com/scc-b9374.html Jul 13 15:26:11 On that camera Jul 13 15:26:19 The output is VBS 1.0Vp-p (75-Load) Jul 13 15:26:28 wtf does that mean, i need it to work with a bnc connector Jul 13 15:27:47 voltage at the base source is 1 volt peak to peak at 75 Ohms Jul 13 15:28:09 And the VBS part means... Jul 13 15:28:27 the lady is on the phone with samsung right now Jul 13 15:28:29 lol Jul 13 15:28:44 i told her to figure out whether there is a BNC connector Jul 13 15:29:51 That signal should work with a BNC, but there's no telling what kind of connector is on it. Jul 13 15:29:58 I'll ask her :) Jul 13 15:30:19 is that a black and white camera? Jul 13 15:30:28 No Jul 13 15:30:32 Well, both Jul 13 15:30:41 # Offers DIP switch control of color & B/W changing time Jul 13 15:31:32 *both* black and white? sorry couldn't resist :-) Jul 13 15:31:49 haha Jul 13 15:31:59 The docs have a picture of the video output cable Jul 13 15:32:11 oh Jul 13 15:32:15 lol i didnt see that sheet Jul 13 15:32:28 this lady is soo pissed right now, i can tell lol Jul 13 15:32:32 looks BNC-ish to me Jul 13 15:33:13 yea Jul 13 15:33:29 AakashPatel, can the g1 read a 16gb sdcard? Jul 13 15:33:38 ye Jul 13 15:33:40 s Jul 13 15:33:43 ah ok Jul 13 15:33:51 yea Jul 13 15:33:55 damn you NexVision Jul 13 15:34:08 trying to find a place where I can order a 16gb class 6 :( Jul 13 15:34:13 aww no power connector Jul 13 15:34:19 Haraken: newegg Jul 13 15:34:32 pl Jul 13 15:34:33 ok Jul 13 15:35:47 What exactly is the status on the Bluetooth API? I knew it was pulled but I half-expected it to be in the 1.5 update. Jul 13 15:36:01 it's funny how the sandisk 16gb microsdhd does't give a class rating Jul 13 15:36:15 oh man, two of those...$550 Jul 13 15:36:16 then its class 2 Jul 13 15:36:18 o.o Jul 13 15:36:27 574 /me dies Jul 13 15:36:45 would you go with a transcend or d-data 16gb? Jul 13 15:36:56 uh Jul 13 15:36:59 doesnt really matter Jul 13 15:37:12 transcend, cuz i never heard of d-data lol Jul 13 15:37:41 OEP: it's on the to-do list... Jul 13 15:37:48 hm...smaller mm means wider angle? Jul 13 15:37:56 right? when talkin about lenses? Jul 13 15:38:00 Leeds: Yeah, so sort of a TBD thing right? Jul 13 15:38:31 to-be-done, not to-be-decided... but we don't know when it might reach the top of the list - we don't know how long the list is or what else is on it Jul 13 15:39:21 I see... it's unfortunate heh. I was hoping to make a really big project that centralized on Bluetooth. I should have done my research :) Jul 13 15:39:31 a data seems to have better read/write reviews Jul 13 15:39:42 anywho i'll give it some thought Jul 13 15:39:55 not dying for another 8gb, just thought it'd be nice to store a full anime series on my phone Jul 13 15:40:54 Total: $1,379.17 Jul 13 15:40:56 oh fuck. Jul 13 15:41:27 4 camera and 4 wires Jul 13 15:41:31 * AakashPatel has a heart attack Jul 13 15:43:06 [16:13:13] which is why you create a file called .nomedia in the directories you don't want indexing Jul 13 15:43:06 [16:14:14] and if that little fact was more widely-known, I'm sure that things like voice recorders would do so for you Jul 13 15:43:13 You sir. Are a genius! Jul 13 15:43:22 ooh, that reminds me :P Jul 13 15:44:06 to apply to mensa ;) Jul 13 15:46:37 no, to search for my logs so I can provide a reference to something I paraphrased earlier, without being able to identify the actual source Jul 13 15:47:47 :) Jul 13 15:49:11 of course, creating a file called .nomedia is a challenge with idiotic windows and its idiotic ways Jul 13 15:49:18 * IanPM uses linux Jul 13 15:55:58 KNY: there? Jul 13 15:59:05 KNY: apologies for indentation http://pastebin.com/f6e618bcb Jul 13 16:01:03 jbq: hello from Tuesday! Jul 13 16:01:22 Hey. I haven't seen Tuesday in 6 days... Jul 13 16:03:05 well, it's here again... it's quite warm, but you'll be glad to know the economy is all fixed up Jul 13 16:12:18 anyone know the best way to load a image from the web on android Jul 13 16:12:29 like which function call is best? Jul 13 16:17:06 Leeds, how do you deal with .mkv files with handbrake? those seem to error out Jul 13 16:23:46 is it sufficient to make a tarball of /data for a restoreable phone backup? Jul 13 16:30:33 Haraken: to be honest, I haven't had to Jul 13 16:31:36 i found a solution i think :) Jul 13 16:34:00 which is? Jul 13 16:34:03 gahh Jul 13 16:34:11 so much crap happiing to one day Jul 13 16:34:19 no aakash time :( Jul 13 16:34:23 lol Jul 13 16:34:35 my g1 is in a boot-loop today. Jul 13 16:35:04 I/DEBUG ( 1520): pid: 1677, tid: 1677 >>> com.android.phone <<< Jul 13 16:35:04 I/DEBUG ( 1520): signal 7 (SIGBUS), fault addr 00000000 Jul 13 16:35:09 talk about crap happening Jul 13 16:47:19 hi all Jul 13 16:51:22 why isnt android beating up iphone Jul 13 16:52:13 it is Jul 13 16:52:14 :P Jul 13 16:52:18 you just dont see it XD Jul 13 16:54:22 what is xd Jul 13 16:54:36 once tethering is perfectly flawless on android Jul 13 16:54:38 iphone will perish Jul 13 16:54:39 :P Jul 13 16:54:39 jk Jul 13 16:54:55 Androhi: a smiley face :P Jul 13 16:55:19 pdanet for android needs to come with a wifi router option Jul 13 16:55:19 like the one for android Jul 13 16:55:20 usb tethering is gay Jul 13 16:55:29 gay? Jul 13 16:55:39 pardon the use of the term Jul 13 16:55:40 of from Northern Ontario Jul 13 16:55:41 offensive word ;) Jul 13 16:55:45 seems the only feasible way to get decent battery life Jul 13 16:55:45 i meant "lame" Jul 13 16:55:48 haha Jul 13 16:56:02 hardly anyone uses tethering Jul 13 16:56:10 heh i do Jul 13 16:56:15 without power a g1 doing wifi+3g for tether can slurp a battery pretty quick Jul 13 16:56:17 i not Jul 13 16:56:19 :P Jul 13 16:56:20 because i currently have no internet, other than tethering Jul 13 16:56:22 just moved to Montreal Jul 13 16:56:31 you have 3g? Jul 13 16:56:33 and internet prices in Quebec are RIDICULOUS Jul 13 16:56:34 i haz not Jul 13 16:56:35 yup Jul 13 16:56:44 edge for me :( Jul 13 16:56:48 3g with a 6gb data plan Jul 13 16:56:53 unlimited for first 3 months Jul 13 16:57:29 i hear att doesnt do shit enforcing the 5GB cap Jul 13 16:57:30 too much twitteering Jul 13 16:57:38 twittering? psshsh Jul 13 16:57:48 * AakashPatel signs on twitter Jul 13 17:20:26 is it possible to run (and use all the original features of it) openmoko and other distros on htc magic? Jul 13 17:21:46 Possible, probably. Practical, that's a different question. Jul 13 17:35:09 hm Jul 13 17:35:26 anyone know optimum ffmpeg options to conv a vid to play on the phone? Jul 13 17:38:03 AakashPatel: it depends very much on the phone Jul 13 17:38:16 oops, i didn't realize which channel I'm in :) Jul 13 17:38:18 ...i just said that Jul 13 17:38:20 :P Jul 13 17:38:22 lol Jul 13 17:38:37 seen SanMehat Jul 13 17:38:45 * cj eyes the lack of bots angrily Jul 13 17:38:53 wait... if San's not here, that means I can invite my bot, right? Jul 13 17:39:02 no Jul 13 17:39:05 lol Jul 13 17:39:07 hahah Jul 13 17:39:16 :) Jul 13 17:39:29 you can invite it until san notices it, in which case you might get banned, so up to you big guy :D Jul 13 17:39:30 oh, wait... my bot's server is offline Jul 13 17:39:32 *grubmle* Jul 13 17:40:08 * cj contemplates putting up a qemu armel vm in his dc... Jul 13 17:40:51 I got distcc working last week, so that would probably reduce the time required to do any compilation on it Jul 13 17:42:56 hi hi Jul 13 17:47:22 hey there wastrel Jul 13 17:49:45 what are people saying about the magic? Jul 13 17:50:01 thinking about getting one for wife Jul 13 17:50:54 it has more memory Jul 13 17:51:06 http://www.htc.com/www/product/magic/specification.html Jul 13 17:51:18 http://www.htc.com/www/product/g1/specification.html Jul 13 17:52:10 no keyboard Jul 13 17:52:23 t-mobile is shipping it as the mytouch 3g with 192, not 288, though Jul 13 17:52:27 my friend Brady likes his magic and thinks the hardware is much better Jul 13 17:52:40 itp: yuck-o. Jul 13 17:53:14 oh REALLY? Jul 13 17:53:15 itp: what's the point of that? Jul 13 17:53:25 to make people cry? Jul 13 17:53:41 * cj cries Jul 13 17:53:44 I guess it worked, then Jul 13 17:54:11 anyone here know an "Ed" from Seattle that does android dev? Jul 13 17:54:38 did i read that correctly? t-mobiles version of htc magic will have 192mb rom? Jul 13 17:54:40 not 288? Jul 13 17:56:22 http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=myTouch&thread.id=1021 Jul 13 17:56:38 everything i've heard about the mytouch 3g indicates they're shipping it at 192 Jul 13 17:57:04 oh, rom, not ram Jul 13 17:57:13 ram Jul 13 17:57:15 yup Jul 13 17:57:16 http://www.gsmarena.com/t_mobile_mytouch_3g-2848.php Jul 13 17:57:19 random access memory Jul 13 17:57:30 no itsnot ram Jul 13 17:57:30 its rom Jul 13 17:57:39 ie: physical storage space Jul 13 17:57:42 so its not a huge deal Jul 13 17:57:49 just larger sized roms will run slower Jul 13 17:57:50 where are you seeing that? Jul 13 17:58:01 oh wait Jul 13 17:58:01 yeah ur right Jul 13 17:58:02 my bad Jul 13 17:58:03 Internal Memory: Flash 512MB; RAM 192 MB DDR (includes 64MB baseband chip) Jul 13 17:58:58 probably no way to put more memory in it without a very steady hand and a soldering iron, eh? Jul 13 17:59:30 hahaha Jul 13 17:59:42 im sure it would involve some hacking too Jul 13 17:59:54 you'd have to make sure the phone would read the memory Jul 13 17:59:56 id say don't waste your time Jul 13 17:59:58 or yoru phone Jul 13 18:00:06 unless you're like an electronics/linux guru Jul 13 18:00:39 working on the electronics bit. depeneding on your definition of "guru" I may already fit the second bit. Jul 13 18:00:42 * cj is no kernel dev Jul 13 18:00:59 but yeah, more effor than it's worth :) Jul 13 18:02:44 i have no clue with any of the above lol Jul 13 18:02:46 so good luck with that endeavor Jul 13 18:02:55 if you get it to work, post pics and instructions :P Jul 13 18:12:44 jpa--: heh, nah. I don't want to void the warranty. one day when I'm independently wealthy maybe. Jul 13 18:13:31 hehehe Jul 13 18:13:31 good call Jul 13 18:16:58 can anyone recommend a good recording app that has good enough quality that i could use it to jot down song ideas when they come to me? Jul 13 18:17:02 droidrecord SUCKS Jul 13 18:17:52 voice recorder? Jul 13 18:18:06 defectiv: I haven't tried droidrecord. The sound quality is bad eh? Jul 13 18:20:12 defectiv: or maybe its sucks in general..? Jul 13 18:28:34 Is there any significant difference between the same class microSDHC cards between the manufacturers A-DATA and Transcend? Jul 13 18:31:41 Theoretically, no. Jul 13 18:31:54 In practice, depends on whether or not they're lying about the Class rating Jul 13 18:32:02 And some chips will exceed the rated speed. Jul 13 18:33:55 So even though it's labeled class 6, it may be a class 4 that is claimed to perform as a class 6? Jul 13 18:34:00 For example, I mean. Jul 13 19:03:40 *sigh* Jul 13 19:03:42 still no wifi tether with htc magic Jul 13 19:14:11 Black HTC Hero has doesn't have a teflon? Jul 13 19:38:18 my understanding is that only the white one does Jul 13 19:43:01 Hello Jul 13 19:46:46 Hello Jul 13 19:48:56 there was a movie poster with a qr code and I used barcode scanner to read it and play the video preview for the movie (District 9). technology is pretty nifty. :) Jul 13 19:49:29 yeah, qrcodes are pretty nifty Jul 13 19:51:24 er, it wasn't district 9. i was just reading about that one and crossed some wires in my brain. actually it was for an upcoming tim burton movie called "9" Jul 13 19:52:14 9 looks promising :) Jul 13 19:52:51 hi all Jul 13 19:53:19 why, hi facelessloser! Jul 13 19:53:46 hi jesusFreke Jul 13 19:54:10 hows everyone doing Jul 13 19:57:38 please, HTC Hero black version doesn't have a teflon? Jul 13 20:01:30 could ask what level of brightness does everyone have on there g1 Jul 13 20:03:07 minimum Jul 13 20:03:28 occasionally I boost it to 50% Jul 13 20:03:32 I wish it went lower Jul 13 20:08:25 has google posted the official rules for the ADC2? Jul 13 20:10:00 facelessloser: I use Locale to set my brightness to 6 during day and 2 at night Jul 13 20:10:15 thands dkr Jul 13 20:10:53 i used to put mine to 0 but now ive got it to 50% Jul 13 20:11:37 I think I saw an app that will check light levels via camera and adjust brightness accordingly. seems kludgy though Jul 13 20:12:16 yeah and would probily waste more battery then it would save lol Jul 13 20:12:44 do you think that the percentage battery thing uses more battery then not having it Jul 13 20:13:40 dkr: using the camera seems like a power drain Jul 13 20:14:13 yeah thats what i was thinking Jul 13 20:15:30 whats the best irc app for android Jul 13 20:18:50 its kinda slow tonight Jul 13 20:19:21 seen! AakashPatel Jul 13 20:20:09 can you dual boot your g1 with 2 firmwares Jul 13 20:21:02 yo Jul 13 20:21:19 facelessloser: sup loser Jul 13 20:21:22 lol Jul 13 20:21:34 im glad your here Jul 13 20:21:37 hows it going Jul 13 20:21:41 pretty good lol Jul 13 20:21:43 you Jul 13 20:21:52 im doing great Jul 13 20:22:06 just enjoying a glass of sparkeling rosa Jul 13 20:22:10 and the purspose of you asking for me....? Jul 13 20:22:13 lol Jul 13 20:22:26 it was just quite in here thats all Jul 13 20:22:30 ahh Jul 13 20:22:32 well brb Jul 13 20:22:34 food Jul 13 20:22:36 ok Jul 13 20:22:42 i know this is offtopic Jul 13 20:22:47 but you wanna know what sucks Jul 13 20:22:55 what? Jul 13 20:23:04 suckers? Jul 13 20:23:07 ordered an replacement adapter for my eee and it came in today and when i went to use it it was borked Jul 13 20:23:09 it didnt work either Jul 13 20:23:29 that really sucks Jul 13 20:23:36 what spec is your eee Jul 13 20:23:46 1000H Jul 13 20:23:50 nice Jul 13 20:23:51 80G Jul 13 20:23:55 2 gigs of ram Jul 13 20:23:59 do you use it for your everyday laptop Jul 13 20:24:01 10 inch screen Jul 13 20:24:15 well nah but i did use it a bunch Jul 13 20:24:21 not as much as i should Jul 13 20:24:24 if i was getting one i would go with the 10 inch screen too Jul 13 20:24:28 but its dead now so i cant use it at all Jul 13 20:24:38 that sucks Jul 13 20:24:50 i wouldnt really have a use for one Jul 13 20:24:59 if im not on my laptop im on my g1 Jul 13 20:25:14 im usually on my desktop Jul 13 20:25:22 but i do wanna start using mine more Jul 13 20:25:28 yeah Jul 13 20:27:51 i gad to wait almost 3 weeks on this adapter Jul 13 20:27:59 and i get it and the pile of crap doesnt work Jul 13 20:28:12 that would piss me off Jul 13 20:28:20 where do you live Jul 13 20:28:54 usa Jul 13 20:29:00 had Jul 13 20:29:09 i was pissed Jul 13 20:29:31 the first thing i was pissed about before this is that the dog chewed up the first one Jul 13 20:29:36 and then this one doesnt work Jul 13 20:30:17 man that sucks Jul 13 20:30:22 yep Jul 13 20:30:51 isnt it a standard conection tho Jul 13 20:32:31 i think so Jul 13 20:33:45 AakashPatel Jul 13 20:34:20 save me some food Jul 13 20:34:33 i wonder what he's having Jul 13 20:34:55 hello, everybody Jul 13 20:35:23 does anyone know why my emulator crashes when i start it? strange Jul 13 20:35:24 back Jul 13 20:35:39 well Jul 13 20:35:42 got the vpn thing going Jul 13 20:35:53 i haz no network Jul 13 20:35:59 i AM the network Jul 13 20:36:02 would you believe that the comcast cm/router/firewall had it disabled by default Jul 13 20:36:03 i am having some problems to run a USB webcam with android Jul 13 20:36:05 BY COMCAST! Jul 13 20:36:06 haha Jul 13 20:36:08 Macer: teach me how to pair this shit Jul 13 20:36:14 hi mcz_br Jul 13 20:36:16 how to pair what? Jul 13 20:36:21 my keyboard Jul 13 20:36:24 you pair it in the ui Jul 13 20:36:30 lollll Jul 13 20:36:33 so, I am trying to get the eclipse plugin, the link for the update site (https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/eclipse/) on this page (http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/adt.html) is broken Jul 13 20:36:40 facelessloser: i am getting some troubles with a webcam Jul 13 20:36:41 like under the bt settings menu Jul 13 20:36:49 thats all? Jul 13 20:36:53 then whwat? Jul 13 20:36:55 well.. AFTER you pair it Jul 13 20:36:57 i want to integrate it to android and beagleboard Jul 13 20:37:00 you have to go to a term Jul 13 20:37:06 hciscan Jul 13 20:37:09 you should see it Jul 13 20:37:10 mcz_br: already done Jul 13 20:37:14 yea Jul 13 20:37:16 then hidd --connect Jul 13 20:37:25 oh okay Jul 13 20:37:32 AakashPatel: where can I find more information? Jul 13 20:37:34 it SHOULD work after that :) Jul 13 20:37:38 mcz_br: the website :P Jul 13 20:37:42 beagleboard.org Jul 13 20:38:08 whats up with your cam mcz_br Jul 13 20:38:15 AakashPatel: I mean ... USB webcam running in Android+Beagle? Jul 13 20:38:28 facelessloser: i tryed two different cams ... one i get just black Jul 13 20:38:34 uh Jul 13 20:38:35 the other ... i already get it green Jul 13 20:38:36 brb Jul 13 20:38:36 idk Jul 13 20:38:36 oh right i see Jul 13 20:38:40 i needz to work Jul 13 20:38:41 have to work on this vpn stuff Jul 13 20:38:44 on app Jul 13 20:38:49 does anyone use the eclipse adt plugin and have a link I could use? Jul 13 20:38:50 the green one is working ... but the codec is bugged Jul 13 20:38:54 i think Jul 13 20:39:05 that sucks Jul 13 20:39:08 I think that the page has been broken for over a week Jul 13 20:39:43 AakashPatel, how else would i run the emulator other than emulator -data c:\ ? Jul 13 20:39:47 i am trying to follow some codes that are in android-porting google group Jul 13 20:39:51 B1O5: uh Jul 13 20:39:54 create an avd Jul 13 20:39:57 then run the avd Jul 13 20:40:18 run it from where, i created an avd Jul 13 20:40:47 seems to crash Jul 13 20:40:55 emulator -avd youravdname? Jul 13 20:41:08 any way to cause the phone have dead pixels without making it seem it was done purpose? Jul 13 20:41:08 one sec Jul 13 20:41:21 and no lol im not putin it in the freezer Jul 13 20:41:46 you still on about the k4rlm Jul 13 20:41:54 yeah man Jul 13 20:42:16 i couldnt find a strong magnet to screw up my screen so i need an alt method Jul 13 20:42:28 my hard drive magnets werent even strong enough Jul 13 20:42:46 Macer: uhh Jul 13 20:42:49 wtf is my passcode Jul 13 20:43:07 paste all your passcodes here and we'll manage them for you Jul 13 20:43:11 lol Jul 13 20:43:26 here: fuckyoukruton Jul 13 20:43:30 thats my password Jul 13 20:43:47 it should be ************* Jul 13 20:44:01 its not :) Jul 13 20:44:09 thx much, Jul 13 20:44:12 meh Jul 13 20:44:28 still need a way to kill my screen lol Jul 13 20:44:38 hammer Jul 13 20:44:53 kill who? murderer! Jul 13 20:45:03 that's what the kill app should be called Jul 13 20:45:45 avd seems to be loading now... Jul 13 20:46:02 taking a while Jul 13 20:46:07 Macer: !!! idk what my pin is :( Jul 13 20:46:36 what do the magnets do i havent heard of that causing dead pixals Jul 13 20:46:54 it wont cause dead pixels Jul 13 20:47:32 I want to rent someone's tmobile g1 Jul 13 20:47:36 magnets usually only effect CRT screens Jul 13 20:47:45 yeah thats that i was thinking Jul 13 20:48:00 xp_prg: why? O.o Jul 13 20:48:18 for a proof of concept I am working on Jul 13 20:48:38 what would you do with it Jul 13 20:48:43 open the phone Jul 13 20:48:53 xp_prg: buy a used one off ebay, do your thing, and sell it :) Jul 13 20:49:04 how much are they now on ebay? Jul 13 20:49:13 yeah i got mine for £150 just phone on its own Jul 13 20:49:16 dunno Jul 13 20:49:31 so I preordered a mytouch and am trying to get android working in eclipse to no avail Jul 13 20:49:39 I doubt you would lose much though. The price shouldn't drop considerably while you have the phone Jul 13 20:49:42 ok Jul 13 20:49:46 i am at a total loss Jul 13 20:49:53 fraking sweeat Jul 13 20:49:58 for some reason i can do everything on the vpn other than browse the web through the "local" network Jul 13 20:50:00 and what you do lose is just the "rent" you're considering paying :) Jul 13 20:50:02 it makes like no sense Jul 13 20:50:30 Macer: !!! Jul 13 20:50:45 wtf is my bluetoof pin? on the keyboard Jul 13 20:51:01 have you tried 0000? Jul 13 20:51:03 yah i dont think you will lose money, if you root it and put it back on you might even make money Jul 13 20:51:08 yea Jul 13 20:51:12 otherwise, there should be some way to reset it Jul 13 20:51:13 AakashPatel: you set it when you pair it Jul 13 20:51:13 JesusFreke: 5 times :) Jul 13 20:51:18 12345 Jul 13 20:51:29 shiznebit: damn! that's the combo on my luggage Jul 13 20:51:34 shiznebit: haha Jul 13 20:51:36 Macer: elaborate Jul 13 20:51:52 well. on mine the phone set the pairing number Jul 13 20:51:55 and i had to type it on the kb Jul 13 20:51:59 might be different for yours Jul 13 20:52:05 rtfm :-P Jul 13 20:52:37 hmmm Jul 13 20:52:38 its paried Jul 13 20:52:40 :P Jul 13 20:52:45 Macer: wtf are manuals Jul 13 20:52:48 bluetooth transfer doesn't work with G1, which is still annoying Jul 13 20:53:05 bluex does it Jul 13 20:53:06 yeah i wish it did Jul 13 20:53:08 on the g1 Jul 13 20:53:29 wtf! Jul 13 20:53:30 argh Jul 13 20:53:39 i can do evrerything over this vpn THAN browse the web Jul 13 20:53:40 haha Jul 13 20:53:44 what kind of shit is that? Jul 13 20:54:01 go through a different port? Jul 13 20:54:28 why should i have to go through a different port for it :) Jul 13 20:54:47 the vpn is connected and works and i can do everything i would normally over the local network EXCEPT web browsing Jul 13 20:54:48 *shrugs* Jul 13 20:54:50 lol Jul 13 20:54:56 wow...I just ran into an interesting problem with google. Seems they are more than happy to assist in wire fraud and theft of products. Jul 13 20:55:10 Well, duh. Jul 13 20:55:13 cool Jul 13 20:55:27 They also promote arson. Jul 13 20:55:32 what do you mean BlindOracle Jul 13 20:55:42 and sell nukes to North Korea Jul 13 20:55:57 whats shameless Jul 13 20:56:34 It seems if an android application costs less than $10.00, and any customer initiates a chargeback, its no questions asked - even if the customer is not entitlted to a chargeback. Plus, they then bill the developer $3.00 and take back the application's fees without even ensuring the application was uninstalled from the phone. Jul 13 20:57:04 BlindOracle, huh ? Jul 13 20:57:21 wow thats quite seriers Jul 13 20:57:25 wtf Macer this aint connecting Jul 13 20:57:28 In short, Google is knowingly comitting wire fraud and gives developers ZERO recourse. Thus far they've given me a fat middle finger. And the customer has NEVER contacted me for support so I was never even allowed the chance to refund it. Jul 13 20:57:32 its just stitting there Jul 13 20:57:43 ./hidd --connect my:shit:keyboard Jul 13 20:57:53 't create HID control channel: Connection timed out Jul 13 20:58:00 :/ Jul 13 20:58:34 BlindOracle, what wire fraud? You agree to googles terms when you sign up Jul 13 20:58:43 in short, if people wanted to, people can download just about any application (under $10), get it free by initiating a chargeback, and developers are fined $3 on a per instance... so us develoers can actually become indentured servants to google...isn't that nice. Jul 13 20:59:01 oh so if the customer disputes the charge with theCC google will refund the customer and charge you Jul 13 20:59:10 the developer Jul 13 20:59:25 iNToIT, its wirefraud because they are in violation of credit card process regulations and banking laws. it doesn't matter what their terms say, you can not legally sign those rights away. Jul 13 20:59:42 shiznebit, plus a fine of $3.00 Jul 13 20:59:58 wewt Jul 13 21:00:00 Then why are you complaining about a legal issue on an irc channel, and not consulting a lawyer and posting a blog or something? Jul 13 21:00:02 gettin bluex Jul 13 21:00:05 well ok the $3.00 is messed up Jul 13 21:00:26 iNToIT: what's wrong with talking about the issue on an irc channel? Jul 13 21:00:31 BlindOracle: doesn't apple do the same thing? Jul 13 21:00:36 and they should have the market remove the fact you paid for the app Jul 13 21:00:41 because I believe its important for fellow developers to know google has every intention of illegally screwing the developer base. Jul 13 21:00:45 well worth it Caleb and it really works, unlike the one i had on the iphone that was a pile of crap Jul 13 21:00:49 Death_Syn, no Jul 13 21:00:50 and the customer does it again, no chargeback Jul 13 21:00:53 lol facelessloser Jul 13 21:01:04 not that I heard....they make them eat the transaction fee on refunds...which google does too Jul 13 21:01:06 eh, i only do opensource stuff anyway, no skin off my back Jul 13 21:01:08 itp, overall nothing, but he seems to be a bit over dramatic here Jul 13 21:01:20 support is where my money comes in Jul 13 21:02:21 shiznebit, well ya, they can only chargeback once per application...but since its no questions asked, they can do it to the next app...banks go in trouble for this illegal practice not that long ago Jul 13 21:02:28 woah Jul 13 21:02:28 iNToIT: yeah, but who hasn't gotten themselves worked up when they've been wronged? ;) Jul 13 21:02:30 it connected :D Jul 13 21:02:31 Yeah, I remember something about if a customer consistently "returns" apps their account is suspended Jul 13 21:03:04 dude Jul 13 21:03:06 this is soo cool Jul 13 21:03:10 BlindOracle, supposedly they can't do it consistently Jul 13 21:03:14 isn't it the customers fault Jul 13 21:03:24 and in the mean time, google makes money by illegally prevent chargeback resolution, assisting in theft of product, wire fraud...so on and so on Jul 13 21:03:28 if he repeats on comitting fraud Jul 13 21:03:36 i don't see anything covering chargebacks in the market T&C at http://www.android.com/us/developer-distribution-agreement.html Jul 13 21:03:52 presumably that would be covered by the agreement with the payment processor Jul 13 21:03:54 and even if it was, you can't sign away that right Jul 13 21:04:01 BlindOracle, request a response on the issue from Google's legal department Jul 13 21:04:29 THEN I'd be interested in hearing about the issue if they give a lame response Jul 13 21:04:29 I've demanded they take my complaint to his manager, legal department, and pr department. Jul 13 21:04:38 ugh, if it's anything like dealing with Google when it comes to adwords, you might as well save yourself the time and money Jul 13 21:04:40 "his" ? Jul 13 21:04:52 there are definitely parts of Google that didn't get the "Don't be evil" memo Jul 13 21:04:59 itp, ya, the assisted fraud by google there is pretty sickening too Jul 13 21:05:28 seems google is more than happy to change for > 100% click through rates Jul 13 21:05:50 I've had to eat 900% clickthrough rate Jul 13 21:05:58 BlindOracle, one of google's devs is also a lawyer that works with them. Wait until he's around. He'll likely bring it to the law dept. He's done it for people in here before on other issues Jul 13 21:06:10 I forget the nick, but one of the gdevs will know Jul 13 21:06:12 oh?! really? who is he? Jul 13 21:06:19 ok Jul 13 21:06:32 iNToIT, thanks Jul 13 21:06:46 no prob, and go easy on him, he's not *the* law dept. Jul 13 21:06:53 yacc__, I understand Jul 13 21:06:57 opps... Jul 13 21:06:59 And he's proven to work for the devs as best he can, repeatedly from what I've seen Jul 13 21:07:04 ok Jul 13 21:07:11 BlindOracle: it helps if u know the secret handshake ;) Jul 13 21:07:15 that was ya, I understand Jul 13 21:07:19 heh Jul 13 21:07:24 :) Jul 13 21:07:25 JesusFreke: u know how to cause dead pixels on the phone lol? Jul 13 21:07:38 hammer ? Jul 13 21:07:41 k4r1m: man, are you still obsessing about that? :P Jul 13 21:07:42 BlindOracle, I understand too ;) Jul 13 21:07:50 i need 1 2 3 [4] more pixels to get a replacement phone, it cant look like it was done on purpose Jul 13 21:08:01 k4r1m: 4 mroe? Jul 13 21:08:02 sorry about that...my client always expands "ya" into your nick...so I'm always pinging ya Jul 13 21:08:03 k4r1m: non-JF roms cause 10% more dead pixels Jul 13 21:08:03 what? Jul 13 21:08:12 lol Jul 13 21:08:14 ooo Jul 13 21:08:19 well i only have 1 and they dont wanna replace it Jul 13 21:08:26 they are saying if its 5 or more we will replace it Jul 13 21:08:28 did you go to the store? Jul 13 21:08:33 why should they? that's well within normal manufacturing tolerances Jul 13 21:08:35 just look at how to make stuck pixels on any screem Jul 13 21:08:35 also Jul 13 21:08:46 you admitted it's nearly impossible to see unless you go looking for it Jul 13 21:08:51 yeah, it's only 0.01% of the pixels! Jul 13 21:09:08 that's such a crock Jul 13 21:09:10 its bs though i had the phone only for 3 weeks and already a stuck pixel Jul 13 21:09:17 haha Jul 13 21:09:19 didn't realize I'd reconnected :/ Jul 13 21:09:23 what kinda of garbage hardware is that Jul 13 21:09:25 generally a ve very strong and quickly changeing magnetic field could do it Jul 13 21:09:29 it's like saying, only 0.01% of your food is poisoned with polonium! Jul 13 21:09:33 k4r1m: that's _normal_ Jul 13 21:09:34 no Jul 13 21:09:36 !!! Jul 13 21:09:40 im poisoned?? Jul 13 21:09:40 k4r1m: or just emp your phone Jul 13 21:09:42 thats nothing, my space key only wortks 50% ofthe time its pressed, which is really annoying Jul 13 21:09:42 o.o Jul 13 21:09:42 shiznebit: i tried my hard drive magnets but not powerful enough Jul 13 21:09:49 snadge: really???? Jul 13 21:09:51 m to Jul 13 21:09:52 me too* Jul 13 21:09:57 im sending mine back this week Jul 13 21:10:03 shiznebit: emp? Jul 13 21:10:09 k4r1m: so your response to a normal characteristic of lcd displays is to attempt to defraud t-mobile out of an entire phone? Jul 13 21:10:13 electric magnetic pulse Jul 13 21:10:16 speaking of fraud... Jul 13 21:10:18 :D Jul 13 21:10:23 itp: rogers... they are fags anyway Jul 13 21:10:40 shit i would get a replacment also Jul 13 21:10:41 can the space key be fixed? ididntbuy my g1 from t-mobile Jul 13 21:10:41 shiznebit: i was told that will make it seem like it was done on purpose Jul 13 21:10:47 i buy something, it better be PERFECT Jul 13 21:10:48 :) Jul 13 21:10:49 soi have nowarranty Jul 13 21:10:55 snadge: nope Jul 13 21:10:55 but it has to be very very strong Jul 13 21:11:04 no you can say it was from lightning Jul 13 21:11:06 itp: that's not a normal characteristic except as defined by the people who make them, and have a vested interest in providing a sub-standard product... that said, yeah, they won't replace it and damaging it further so they will isn't right :P Jul 13 21:11:13 shiznebit: lol lighting... Jul 13 21:11:14 AakashPatel: why not? Jul 13 21:11:20 i need something reasonable Jul 13 21:11:26 keyboard doesnt come apart? Jul 13 21:11:28 i already told me the screen just went black Jul 13 21:11:28 snadge: open it up "maybe" they're replacing mine :) Jul 13 21:11:29 rogers ARE fags... they announce free tethering on any 1gb data plan or higher, yet release a version of the android phones that are a pure BITCH to try to tether Jul 13 21:11:31 ADP1 Jul 13 21:11:43 Hm, whats the diff between DVT and PVT boards? Jul 13 21:11:45 zinx: the effort required to prevent all pixel and sub-pixel transitor defects would raise costs through the roof Jul 13 21:11:53 is one > than the other? Jul 13 21:11:57 zinx: we'd _all_ end up paying a fortune for every lcd device Jul 13 21:11:59 itp: so? Jul 13 21:12:11 i think ima just get a black highlighter and color my screen Jul 13 21:12:13 itp: that doesn't make it right Jul 13 21:12:24 k4r1m: lmao Jul 13 21:12:34 k4r1m: Have you gone to the store? Jul 13 21:12:40 kinda of ya Jul 13 21:12:46 they are sending me a new one in 5 days Jul 13 21:12:48 k4r1m: you wanna know a trick? Jul 13 21:12:51 "right" Jul 13 21:12:54 shrug Jul 13 21:12:57 lol@ Jul 13 21:13:02 all my pixels work, shame babout the fucking space key ;) Jul 13 21:13:03 flash the bootloader and then pull the power before its done :) Jul 13 21:13:17 what will that do? Jul 13 21:13:22 heh Jul 13 21:13:24 it will brick the phone Jul 13 21:13:25 ... Jul 13 21:13:27 yes. Jul 13 21:13:37 will it make the screen BLACK!? Jul 13 21:13:38 then you'll for sure get a new phone :) Jul 13 21:13:44 YEAS Jul 13 21:13:48 for ever!? Jul 13 21:13:52 yes Jul 13 21:13:55 well, you cant fix it :) Jul 13 21:14:03 unless they actually bother to reflash those things w/ JTAG Jul 13 21:14:09 k let me make a few calls Jul 13 21:14:10 which i kinda doubt Jul 13 21:14:15 k4r1m: lol wut? Jul 13 21:14:19 zinx: J Jul 13 21:14:22 TAG ? Jul 13 21:14:27 i am not google Jul 13 21:14:32 AakashPatel: muhahahahaha need to remember what i exactly said to them Jul 13 21:14:37 k4r1m: yea just tell them all you see is the (rogers?) logo and it wont boot up Jul 13 21:14:54 AakashPatel: well i already told me i cant see shit but pitch black Jul 13 21:15:07 ? Jul 13 21:15:09 wut lol Jul 13 21:15:15 well that could mean what you just said Jul 13 21:15:27 no, my way you actually ass rape your phone :) Jul 13 21:15:28 i could be like " i was talking about the phone after booting!" Jul 13 21:15:30 wow, this community is hilarious... righteous outrage over a $3 fee from Google, but perfectly happy to assist people in defrauding others Jul 13 21:15:40 :) Jul 13 21:15:44 Thank you. Jul 13 21:15:54 :P Jul 13 21:16:03 itp: get out of this, unless if you can send me an emp to screw my screen up Jul 13 21:16:06 itp, it'ss a community.. diversit for a common cause :) Jul 13 21:16:06 AakashPatel maybe Jul 13 21:16:10 *diversity Jul 13 21:16:15 zinx: maybe what? Jul 13 21:16:26 i'm not a fan of lying or destroying the device to get a replacement :/ Jul 13 21:16:28 languish: yeah, just frustrating to know we all pay more for assholes like this Jul 13 21:16:35 indeed Jul 13 21:16:36 zinx: what else can he do? Jul 13 21:16:47 deal with the dead pixels Jul 13 21:16:50 stfu Jul 13 21:16:50 pixel Jul 13 21:16:51 one Jul 13 21:16:51 zinx: are you a fan of getting a dead pixel in a 3 weeks old phone? Jul 13 21:16:55 i buy my phones :P Jul 13 21:17:04 anyone happen to know who processes Google's transactions? Jul 13 21:17:04 it has a warranty Jul 13 21:17:05 i use it Jul 13 21:17:11 anyone happen to know who processes Google's credit card transactions? Jul 13 21:17:26 mmm] Jul 13 21:17:27 BlindOracle: it was sun, but now oracle. Jul 13 21:17:32 itp: does your phone have a dead pix? Jul 13 21:17:35 AakashPatel: warranties usually have specific clauses detailing what is and is not covered when it comes to stuck/dead pixels Jul 13 21:17:38 k4r1m: can't say i enjoy it, but you bought it, and that's within what the manufacturer says is normal Jul 13 21:17:40 AakashPatel: not dead, stuck on Jul 13 21:17:44 AakashPatel: in the lower right Jul 13 21:17:49 ? Jul 13 21:17:50 k4r1m, sun and oracle are credit card processors? Jul 13 21:17:51 wtf Jul 13 21:17:56 AakashPatel: it's only visible if i go looking for it Jul 13 21:17:57 i would get a replacement right away Jul 13 21:18:00 BlindOracle: i was making a joke lol Jul 13 21:18:02 but thats just the kinda guy i am Jul 13 21:18:07 :) Jul 13 21:18:10 oh Jul 13 21:18:13 AakashPatel: if i tried, i would be (properly) turned down Jul 13 21:18:16 finally someone agress with me, thank you AakashPatel Jul 13 21:18:18 perfectionist Jul 13 21:18:23 AakashPatel: since it's within normal manufacturing tolerances Jul 13 21:18:29 yeah Jul 13 21:18:31 .... im about to watch my roommate try to dual-boot mac OS X tiger with Ubuntu 9.04 Jul 13 21:18:33 but not to me :) Jul 13 21:18:46 on an imac Jul 13 21:18:47 jpa sweat Jul 13 21:18:52 jpa--: . . . Jul 13 21:18:55 itp: i think im with most people when i say f the normal manfacturing tolerances Jul 13 21:18:55 lol Jul 13 21:18:55 ? Jul 13 21:18:58 why do people bother with that? Jul 13 21:18:59 whats so hard about that? Jul 13 21:18:59 phone got be perfect Jul 13 21:19:03 if you want to run a free OS. Jul 13 21:19:07 use shittier hardware, srsly. Jul 13 21:19:13 k4r1m: you'll just make yourself crazy, man Jul 13 21:19:20 meh, he's kind of a pretentious mac fanboy Jul 13 21:19:25 jpa--: i triple boot... os x, windows and ubuntu Jul 13 21:19:45 speaking of making oneself crazy, i'll leave you to it Jul 13 21:19:48 has 2 ipods, an iphone 3g, has an imac and wants to get a macbook Jul 13 21:19:53 k4rlm whats would be really nice to see Jul 13 21:20:22 im like lol Jul 13 21:21:25 * Wickednix yawns Jul 13 21:21:40 ive got 5 dead pixals on my psp but only see them whent the screen is black Jul 13 21:22:11 im gonna see harry pothead tomorrow :D Jul 13 21:22:35 that pothead is in theaters already? Jul 13 21:22:58 omfg Jul 13 21:23:01 midnight 15th. Jul 13 21:23:02 so errr. Jul 13 21:23:04 this vpn is going to drive me nutty Jul 13 21:23:04 ive never seen a harry potter movie Jul 13 21:23:04 AakashPatel: i saw Transformers at Imax yesterday Jul 13 21:23:08 yeah tomorrow mightnight I guess? Jul 13 21:23:09 not really my thing Jul 13 21:23:15 i can't figure out why it won't use the proper local gateway Jul 13 21:23:15 shiznebit: me too; it was lulz. Jul 13 21:23:22 shiznebit: aww i didnt see it in imax Jul 13 21:23:23 shiznebit: I was hoping it would've been -worse- actually. Jul 13 21:23:25 im off guys Jul 13 21:23:25 too many little weiners go friggin crazy over it, it sorta turns me off Jul 13 21:23:28 keep it real Jul 13 21:23:32 anyone got good manuals about debian and android? Jul 13 21:23:34 the reviews... not quite accurate. Jul 13 21:23:39 im to tired to keep up with the chat Jul 13 21:23:51 it was good but still too much talk Jul 13 21:24:18 lol just wipe something Jul 13 21:24:27 blart Jul 13 21:24:44 hmm Jul 13 21:24:51 i haz the movie one meh fonez XD Jul 13 21:25:02 Macer_: i got it to connect :) Jul 13 21:25:06 is it common to get dead pixel(s) for like a day and then they disappear the next day? Jul 13 21:25:24 ...no Jul 13 21:25:26 wtf Jul 13 21:25:27 it is common if you are hallucinating Jul 13 21:25:28 im out Jul 13 21:25:37 i dont mean common lol Jul 13 21:25:44 stuck pixels* Jul 13 21:26:03 yeah how about stuck pixels Jul 13 21:26:26 AakashPatel: good Jul 13 21:26:37 now tell me how i can get an xp vpn client to use the right fucking gateway Jul 13 21:26:43 i'm about to smash my head through my glass table Jul 13 21:26:48 lol Jul 13 21:26:52 im going to shit my pants lol hell no i aint paying 600$ Jul 13 21:27:00 it seems like it should be something easy to do Jul 13 21:27:02 but it's not! Jul 13 21:27:03 :) Jul 13 21:27:15 just like streaming mic audio over net :) Jul 13 21:27:32 Macer: what smashing the glass table with you head ? Jul 13 21:28:05 lol Jul 13 21:28:15 i can't get this stupid vpn to use the vpn's gateway Jul 13 21:28:21 meaning i need it to use x.x.x.1 Jul 13 21:28:25 gahh Jul 13 21:28:32 someone in canada used my cc Jul 13 21:28:33 wtf Jul 13 21:28:36 and instead for some reason xp wants to use x.x.x.200 (the client's ip) Jul 13 21:28:43 so i can't ping outside it Jul 13 21:28:52 yeah i don't remember windows anymore Jul 13 21:28:54 i needa learn network secuirty Jul 13 21:28:58 cuz ours has NONE Jul 13 21:28:59 dhcp ? Jul 13 21:29:08 anywhere I can go to get a link to the update site for the eclipse android plugin? the docs appear to have a broken link Jul 13 21:29:15 no Jul 13 21:29:21 spackest: the .zip is on that site Jul 13 21:29:24 somewhere Jul 13 21:29:35 the other link shows up as dead on your browser Jul 13 21:29:38 for those of you able to use adb in linux, can you tell me if you take any steps prior to running adb Jul 13 21:29:39 but works in eclipse Jul 13 21:29:45 Macer: ask ##windows ? Jul 13 21:29:46 twois10: what OS Jul 13 21:29:53 shiznebit: i tried Jul 13 21:29:55 no help Jul 13 21:29:57 i'm googleing Jul 13 21:30:04 AakashPatel: openSUSE 11.1x64 Jul 13 21:30:09 uh Jul 13 21:30:11 then idk lol Jul 13 21:30:18 run it has root Jul 13 21:30:20 first Jul 13 21:30:30 kill it, then run as root Jul 13 21:30:32 :) Jul 13 21:30:49 brb Jul 13 21:30:56 kny knows Jul 13 21:31:04 eh? Jul 13 21:31:15 oh Jul 13 21:31:25 sudo $(which adb) kill-server && sudo $(which adb) devices Jul 13 21:31:31 AakashPatel: so you run it as root Jul 13 21:32:03 kny thanks it worked Jul 13 21:32:12 * KNY bows, exits stage left Jul 13 21:32:30 * twois10 applauds Jul 13 21:33:54 hi, dunno if this is the right place to ask, but, im intrested in getting an android based phone, and am considering the htc magic, but there seems to be different versions, some with 288mb ram and some with 192mb ram, how important is this, and how can i differentiate between them so i know what i buy ? Jul 13 21:34:25 AHHHH!! Jul 13 21:34:32 * Macer smashes his head into the glass table Jul 13 21:34:44 all i need this piece of shit to do is use the RIGHT GATEWAY! Jul 13 21:34:45 argh!@#! Jul 13 21:34:56 bulle: it depeends on the market Jul 13 21:34:58 bulle: the different versions are as sold by different carriers; t-mobile is launching the magic as the mytough 3g with 192 Jul 13 21:35:42 itp: well, i live in europe, and here lots of phones are sold from regular "phone" stores or home electronic stores, where you dont have to lock the phone to a certain carrier Jul 13 21:35:57 itp: sadl, those stores never know exactly what it is they sell, they can basicly only show you the box Jul 13 21:36:06 Macer: if it isn't 100% necessary, leave it for a couple of hours and then try figureing it out again Jul 13 21:36:13 lol Jul 13 21:36:18 it kind of is Jul 13 21:36:25 i need it to use this gateway Jul 13 21:36:32 where would i find in ear bud headset for the HTC ? without adapting. Jul 13 21:36:32 bulle: ah, not sure how you can be sure, then... maybe someone more familiar with the european market knows what configs the magic is shipped in Jul 13 21:36:35 so i can just keep the vpn connected Jul 13 21:36:36 bulle: i am sure they will check it in the store to see how much ram it has Jul 13 21:36:51 twois10: im not sure they know how to check =) as i dont even know Jul 13 21:37:11 im considering to just wait for the htc hero, but then, im worried about having problems running vanilla android on it Jul 13 21:39:08 when is hero coming out? Jul 13 21:39:22 twois10: here in sweden ? in a couple of weeks Jul 13 21:39:46 is hero available in the US? Jul 13 21:40:08 twois10: dont know to be honest Jul 13 21:40:46 twois10: its more or less just a htc magic, but with a bit fancier looks ( guess its a matter of taste realy ) a few more megapixels in the camera, and a partly modified htc android build with their new gui stuff Jul 13 21:44:06 cromag: they sell them everywehre Jul 13 21:44:32 AakashPatel: i just cant seem to find them then. Jul 13 21:44:44 it has a microphone also though Jul 13 21:44:49 yes. Jul 13 21:45:00 thats waht makes it a headset it think. Jul 13 21:45:02 if i were despirate, i could order hero from europe Jul 13 21:45:07 Anyone where using a Japanese Android phone with iWnnIME? Jul 13 21:45:16 who's using hero? Jul 13 21:45:22 ...on the G1 Jul 13 21:45:23 kRutOn: I wish; do you know where I could find it? Jul 13 21:45:26 gahhhh Jul 13 21:45:34 no the device Jul 13 21:45:42 http://androidandme.com/store/ Jul 13 21:45:45 grey-: There's an image of the iWnnIME, but I can't get it to reproduce a bug that some Japanese users complained about. Jul 13 21:45:47 cromag: ^ Jul 13 21:45:51 but I'm saying, is anyone using hero on G1? Jul 13 21:46:01 kRutOn: herm, url2image? Jul 13 21:46:07 even using it in an emu would be a start. Jul 13 21:46:30 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=526085 Jul 13 21:46:36 ahh Jul 13 21:46:38 cromag: http://store.androidcentral.com/ Jul 13 21:46:39 ther you go Jul 13 21:46:52 kewl, Jul 13 21:47:00 kRutOn: i will be by this coming weekend soon as i receive my16gb sd card Jul 13 21:47:39 twois10: Well, if I'm still scratching my head, ping me if you can use ConnectBot SSH on it Jul 13 21:47:55 HTC Magic has a better CPU than G1? Jul 13 21:48:03 kRutOn: that comment was for titefuzz Jul 13 21:48:20 twois10: ah.. Jul 13 21:48:22 AHHHH!! *smash* Jul 13 21:48:37 I saw some difference in mark A and B Jul 13 21:48:39 anybody here know a windows route syntax to change a defaule route to a different gateway? Jul 13 21:48:43 like G1 is A and Magic is B Jul 13 21:48:50 kRutOn: he (assumming is a he) if any was using hero build on g1 Jul 13 21:48:50 * kRutOn looks around for titefuzz and scratches his head. Jul 13 21:49:09 AakashPatel: i think i already been there. They do not have the in ear bud thingies, only the hard ones like the std with magic. Jul 13 21:49:14 AakashPatel: thanks though. Jul 13 21:49:23 uh Jul 13 21:49:27 idk what else there is lol Jul 13 21:49:41 http://store.androidcentral.com/htc-stereo-headphones/11A29A5248.htm Jul 13 21:49:48 those is all they have in ear buds Jul 13 21:50:05 and those are the "hard" ones. Jul 13 21:50:09 oh nice... someone has done an update.zip that installs the IME. Jul 13 21:50:11 oh Jul 13 21:50:14 you know the silicone ones Jul 13 21:50:14 :/ Jul 13 21:50:20 grey-: waht IME? Jul 13 21:50:21 those are the ones i think of. Jul 13 21:50:27 AakashPatel: the Japanese IME. Jul 13 21:50:35 oh Jul 13 21:50:36 AakashPatel: that IWinn developed for the Japanese release of Android. Jul 13 21:50:52 AakashPatel: their sd card there is expensive Jul 13 21:51:05 newegg? Jul 13 21:51:08 AakashPatel: http://store.androidcentral.com/sony-ericsson-hbh-ds970-bluetooth-stereo-headphones/11A136A768.htm that type. Jul 13 21:51:10 i got a class 6 16gb from newegg Jul 13 21:51:22 cromag: ohhh Jul 13 21:51:28 I went to omronsoft's website and noticed on the Japanese page it has job postings, but if you go to the English site it doesn't. Jul 13 21:51:37 AakashPatel: the androidandme.com Jul 13 21:51:44 (omronsoft wrote the iWnnIME)) Jul 13 21:51:49 twois10: wut about it Jul 13 21:51:56 kRutOn: so they want someone that is fluent in japanese then i guess Jul 13 21:52:05 its expensive on that site Jul 13 21:52:27 ah Jul 13 21:52:36 the owners are my friends hah Jul 13 21:52:49 their classs 2 is as expensive as the class 6 i got from newegg Jul 13 21:53:01 oh i see Jul 13 21:53:07 Dream/Magic have Qualcomm® MSM7201A and Hero has Qualcomm® MSM7200A, why this decrease? Jul 13 21:53:23 bulle: Yeah, it's just funny. It's like having a language that redirects you to some patronizing website Jul 13 21:53:25 hi Jul 13 21:54:16 kRutOn: lmgtfy-ish? :) Jul 13 21:55:12 htchero: could be they discovered the 200A has better battery manageemnt Jul 13 21:55:22 hmm Jul 13 21:55:24 htchero: they're the same, the difference is about the number of frames per second during video recording Jul 13 21:55:31 one is 30fps, the other one is not Jul 13 21:55:36 cool, thanks Jul 13 21:57:16 htchero: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu Jul 13 21:57:29 what is better, G senzor or motion senzor? :P Jul 13 21:57:34 ty, gonna read the link Jul 13 21:57:41 http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200a&c=qualcomm_msm7200a and http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7201a&c=qualcomm_msm7201a Jul 13 21:59:19 when using eclipse: Right click => Android tools => Export unsigned Application package. If I move it to the sd inside my phone and then running the apk with ASTRO doesn't install it. What I am doing wrong? Jul 13 22:00:40 is there a way to display the date in the title bar at all times, instead of only when I pull down the notifications thingy? Jul 13 22:02:30 Cyanogen is doing ROMs only for Dream or for Magic as well? Jul 13 22:03:27 where can i get hero device? Jul 13 22:03:35 hmmm nice. Jul 13 22:03:47 but still no where near as slick as the iphone Japanese IME. Jul 13 22:03:54 having to multi-press to get different glyphs. Jul 13 22:03:57 instead of hold. Jul 13 22:03:59 or swipe. Jul 13 22:04:15 still, better than any of the ones I've seen in the market. Jul 13 22:04:31 grey-: sup Jul 13 22:04:35 htc hero look really slick Jul 13 22:04:53 autojack: oi. Jul 13 22:06:02 grey-: I'm starting to migrate to the G1 finally. slowly. Jul 13 22:06:13 I had to export my contacts off the SK as VCFs, one at a time. Jul 13 22:06:26 and then cat them all together into one big file and import it into gmail contacts online. Jul 13 22:06:37 and it seems to have mangled all the mailing addresses, but phones and emails came in OK. Jul 13 22:06:54 ungh, hassle. Jul 13 22:06:58 then I had to fucking manually copy over every calendar event. Jul 13 22:07:03 there's no way to sync contacts from SK to gmail? Jul 13 22:07:06 lol dude Jul 13 22:07:12 it's MICROSOFT Jul 13 22:07:22 htc hero is expensive, $700+ Jul 13 22:07:32 when I was still there they were working on something for that. they even demoed it doing contacts and calendar sync to gmail. Jul 13 22:07:42 but after MS bought them it was taken out back and shot I think. Jul 13 22:07:51 along with 100% of all other cool projects. Jul 13 22:08:48 autojack: or to outlook and then gmail? Jul 13 22:08:49 ;-/ Jul 13 22:08:54 sk Jul 13 22:08:57 all the in the cloud. Jul 13 22:09:00 the tmo danger cloud. ;-/ Jul 13 22:09:28 yeah Jul 13 22:09:47 will t-mobile 3g and the unlock hero device co-exist? Jul 13 22:09:48 well like if I wasn't still on the QA network I could use their web UI and at least copy and paste into google cal Jul 13 22:10:09 but to get to the QA web UI obviously you have to be on the VPN. Jul 13 22:10:26 and they used to support some desktop sync apps but those are long gone too. Jul 13 22:10:30 my life is pain. Jul 13 22:10:40 but not for much longer, I just have to copy over my notes now. Jul 13 22:15:19 my friend's G1 went from having great signal all the time to having almost none. I asked about it in here a week or two ago but no one had any ideas. in the end he took it apart and discovered that the antenna coax had gotten disconnected. he plugged it back in and everything was golden again. Jul 13 22:15:24 I can't believe they didn't just solder it. Jul 13 22:16:01 so, if anyone else has that problem, let it be known that a shock to the device can cause the antenna to come unplugged. Jul 13 22:17:55 can i trust this site: http://www.auroracell.com/htc-hero-brown-unlocked-gsm.html Jul 13 22:18:52 i think you can trust that they're really out of stock Jul 13 22:19:01 beyond that? who knows. Jul 13 22:20:30 how bout this one: http://www.cellphone4all.net/servlet/the-25/HTC-Hero/Detail Jul 13 22:21:19 twois10: would you like me to comment on the poor site design, or the fact that they think paying $20 more is "saving" money Jul 13 22:21:36 lmao Jul 13 22:22:15 they do have 135 new in stock Jul 13 22:23:04 lols Jul 13 22:23:07 i wanna buy one hahahaha Jul 13 22:23:17 twois10: you cant read Jul 13 22:23:21 Weight: 135 Jul 13 22:23:27 weight Jul 13 22:23:30 wtf is that Jul 13 22:23:57 AakashPatel: duh. it weighs 135. Jul 13 22:24:05 lol Jul 13 22:24:09 it was a misstatement Jul 13 22:24:19 zinx: i never heard that put that way Jul 13 22:24:32 AakashPatel: heard what put that way? Jul 13 22:24:37 wieght Jul 13 22:24:42 AakashPatel: how else would you see how heavy it is? Jul 13 22:24:46 lol Jul 13 22:24:50 nooo Jul 13 22:25:08 that's not the number in stock :P Jul 13 22:25:13 ... Jul 13 22:25:15 damn Jul 13 22:25:16 wtf Jul 13 22:25:18 lets go buy some :D Jul 13 22:25:20 that is how much it weighs. Jul 13 22:25:25 http://www.cellphone4all.net/servlet/Cart?cart_id=20863 Jul 13 22:25:33 135 what i do not know, but it weighs 135 of them, whatever they are Jul 13 22:25:43 lolll Jul 13 22:25:48 if you clicked add to stock, it says 135, new Jul 13 22:26:01 wtf Jul 13 22:26:01 haha, wtf, it lets me see your cart? Jul 13 22:26:03 does not say weight, thats why i said that Jul 13 22:26:08 i bet they'll rip you off Jul 13 22:26:14 zinx: hahaha Jul 13 22:26:19 i just notices that Jul 13 22:26:28 see why i said that now Jul 13 22:26:42 /I/ wouldn't buy from that site. Jul 13 22:26:47 when using eclipse: Right click => Android tools => Export unsigned Application package. If I move it to the sd inside my phone and then running the apk with ASTRO doesn't install it. What I am doing wrong? Jul 13 22:27:00 but to each his own, i suppose Jul 13 22:27:33 zine i've bought from a site just like that one day Jul 13 22:27:35 i *had* do Jul 13 22:27:41 it seems like a very poorly made insecure site and an incompetent company who potentially doesn't even have access to the merchandise they're selling, to me Jul 13 22:27:42 they have all the htc brand there Jul 13 22:28:06 its only $400 bucks what could go wrong Jul 13 22:28:07 it was a "rare" part for a new water heater and it had it cheap :X Jul 13 22:28:25 twois10: just pay with paypal, then decline the charges if it dont arrive :) Jul 13 22:28:41 then paypal will ass rape you :/ Jul 13 22:28:47 twois10: but you're buying two of them Jul 13 22:29:07 LOL Jul 13 22:29:11 you cant buy less than 2 Jul 13 22:29:14 am not that desperate Jul 13 22:29:37 you have to buy one for your partner Jul 13 22:29:57 how does this not seem like a scam to you? Jul 13 22:30:09 zinx: cuz the internet doesnt lie!!! Jul 13 22:30:15 zinx i was just kidding, you dont have to buy 2 Jul 13 22:30:19 lol Jul 13 22:30:53 http://www.cellphone4all.net/servlet/Cart?cart_id=20873 Jul 13 22:31:10 wtf Jul 13 22:31:15 cehck it again Jul 13 22:31:22 see how it says 135, new? i assumed 135 in stock Jul 13 22:31:23 lol at least it has secure checkout ;) Jul 13 22:31:23 it let me update it Jul 13 22:31:27 not the weight Jul 13 22:31:33 i made it 10 Jul 13 22:31:34 :P Jul 13 22:31:47 that's some security right there Jul 13 22:32:19 AakashPatel: https != secure checkout Jul 13 22:32:37 https = secure transport, assuming they don't have a bad key / random number generator Jul 13 22:33:01 but that's only to their server Jul 13 22:33:09 https://store03.prostores.com/servlet/cellphones4all/InvoiceAccount?smode=checkout Jul 13 22:33:18 Total Due: $4,009.95 Jul 13 22:33:25 lollz Jul 13 22:33:29 twois10: i told you i made it 10 Jul 13 22:33:39 damnyou google voice!!! confused the hell out of me Jul 13 22:33:51 twois10: do you really still want to buy from them? Jul 13 22:33:51 zinx: i didnt catch that Jul 13 22:34:24 given that random people on the internet can edit your cart with nothing more than the predictable cart #? Jul 13 22:34:36 lolll Jul 13 22:34:53 today i found out someone in canada used my cc Jul 13 22:34:55 :) Jul 13 22:35:08 85 bucks or something, but they killed it Jul 13 22:35:08 crap i already made the order and it wont cancel Jul 13 22:35:15 lol Jul 13 22:35:16 twois10: oh crap Jul 13 22:35:17 lol Jul 13 22:35:18 just kidding Jul 13 22:35:28 decline! Jul 13 22:35:29 :P Jul 13 22:36:22 if i had the funds i would buy and sell them on ebay Jul 13 22:36:36 they are selling for $700 on eaby Jul 13 22:36:40 ebay* Jul 13 22:36:57 zinx: heh, i had that happen twice...first i payed my with my cc and it got declined, then i tryed paypal, i had that cc in there also...and they wouldnt let me pay with my banck account Jul 13 22:37:00 so i was stuck Jul 13 22:37:32 AakashPatel: that's what you get for buying from shady sites :P Jul 13 22:37:43 is there a jabber otr client for the android? Jul 13 22:37:43 AakashPatel: got adt going in eclipse, thanks Jul 13 22:37:47 i have enough for $4000 and it would have gone through if i tried Jul 13 22:38:05 zinx: lol you gotta do what you gotta do Jul 13 22:38:36 cuz some jack ass in canada used it at a coffee shop Jul 13 22:38:47 85 bucks! who the hell buys that much at a coffee shop Jul 13 22:38:54 how bout this site: http://www.number1artist.com/admin/ShowPortfolio.asp?OID=5&p=mobile4meltds&PageType=PortfolioPage&S0=5&H=3846&Ref=Search#3846 Jul 13 22:39:01 tom horton or someshit Jul 13 22:39:53 http://www.number1artist.com/admin/ShowPortfolio.asp?OID=5&p=mobile4meltds&PageType=PortfolioPage&S0=5&H=3846&Ref=Search&Cart=1 Jul 13 22:40:17 haha Jul 13 22:40:17 really stupid question, but how do you change directories in terminal? (ie; what's the terminal equivalent of 'cd dir' in dos? Jul 13 22:40:25 VERIFICATION Jul 13 22:40:27 CANNOT FIND THE TRANSACTION TYPE Jul 13 22:40:34 jpa--: mv /dir /newdir Jul 13 22:40:36 ? Jul 13 22:40:40 oh Jul 13 22:40:42 ok i give up Jul 13 22:40:42 wait Jul 13 22:40:43 wut Jul 13 22:40:54 jpa--: you use cd Jul 13 22:40:55 cd Jul 13 22:41:10 dont add / Jul 13 22:41:17 hrmmm... its not working Jul 13 22:41:19 wrong Jul 13 22:41:21 you fail Jul 13 22:41:25 lol Jul 13 22:41:34 jpa--: how is it not workign? what are you typing in? Jul 13 22:41:41 cd /data/local Jul 13 22:41:43 for example Jul 13 22:42:16 dont add "/" if its a sub directory Jul 13 22:42:31 I'm typing 'cd Android' from the root dir and its not taking me there Jul 13 22:42:37 uh Jul 13 22:42:42 how did you make the Android dir? Jul 13 22:42:44 do ls first Jul 13 22:42:47 "no such file or dir" Jul 13 22:42:47 see if it exists Jul 13 22:42:50 yea Jul 13 22:42:54 :| Jul 13 22:42:56 duh Jul 13 22:43:01 jpa--: do "ls" Jul 13 22:43:02 lol Jul 13 22:43:08 but I can browse there using the file browser Jul 13 22:43:23 it exists Jul 13 22:43:33 wrong!!! Jul 13 22:43:39 oh lol Jul 13 22:43:40 TYPE `ls` Jul 13 22:43:41 damn it Jul 13 22:43:47 case sensitive shit Jul 13 22:43:50 ls or dir Jul 13 22:43:57 I did Jul 13 22:44:01 twois10: echo echo echo Jul 13 22:44:04 I said it exists Jul 13 22:44:06 jpa--: and do you see the Android dir? Jul 13 22:44:22 I got it now Jul 13 22:44:24 chill Jul 13 22:44:28 :| Jul 13 22:44:37 its cuz its case sensitive Jul 13 22:44:41 durrrr Jul 13 22:45:00 he typed Ls Jul 13 22:45:03 lol Jul 13 22:45:19 k now how do u go back? cd..? Jul 13 22:45:22 cd .. Jul 13 22:45:40 to go home type cd~ Jul 13 22:46:00 cd ~ Jul 13 22:46:04 whats the home? lol Jul 13 22:49:04 is there a default root passwd if I was prompted to set one during install? Jul 13 22:49:33 hello Jul 13 22:50:05 Nite. Jul 13 22:50:08 jpa--: are you running as root? Jul 13 22:50:17 jpa--: the one you were prompted to set is the one that's the root password Jul 13 22:50:17 I mean are you logged in as root Jul 13 22:50:31 `su` ftw Jul 13 22:50:41 hm Jul 13 22:50:44 sudo.. it doesn't even ask for the root password! Jul 13 22:50:46 whats the use of the ` key Jul 13 22:51:05 AakashPatel: run in sub-shell and return output Jul 13 22:51:43 hm Jul 13 22:51:56 i think he is running a livecd Jul 13 22:52:01 lol Jul 13 22:52:10 * GenericNode pokes twois10 Jul 13 22:52:17 * AakashPatel stabs GenericNode Jul 13 22:52:23 * GenericNode bleeds Jul 13 22:52:23 dont mess wif us boi! Jul 13 22:52:42 * twois10 screams a the site of violence Jul 13 22:52:45 * AakashPatel returns his shank to its holder Jul 13 22:52:51 * GenericNode bleeds Jul 13 22:52:51 * AakashPatel | his anus Jul 13 22:53:07 * GenericNode bleeds on EugeneKay Jul 13 22:53:20 he is running a live cd thats why he cant find root Jul 13 22:53:24 QUIT FUCKING PINGING ME YOU USELESS SCUMBAG PIECE OF COCK-EATING SHIT. Jul 13 22:53:29 *cough* Jul 13 22:53:34 hahaha Jul 13 22:53:35 I mean..... hi. Jul 13 22:53:48 lmao Jul 13 22:53:58 :-( Jul 13 22:54:16 jpa--: what livecd are you using? Jul 13 22:54:45 I installed ubuntu Jul 13 22:55:07 jpa--: do you still have the Hero rom? Jul 13 22:55:18 lastnight. there is no disc in my tray, smartass Jul 13 22:55:25 hip Jul 13 22:55:30 err yup Jul 13 22:55:39 jpa--: do you have root access Jul 13 22:55:49 he installed via a live cd Jul 13 22:55:52 which is ok Jul 13 22:56:12 jpa--: what are you doing Jul 13 22:56:23 he cant find root Jul 13 22:56:32 what's the command to show hidden files in terminal? I have to vim edit .bashrc Jul 13 22:56:39 twois10: on ubuntu? Jul 13 22:56:44 you have to dig deeper to get to the root Jul 13 22:56:45 I'm root now I said Jul 13 22:57:00 openSUSE Jul 13 22:57:19 why does he have opensucks Jul 13 22:57:21 it just wouldn't accept the only passwd I would've set was all Jul 13 22:57:21 ls -a Jul 13 22:57:37 sudo Su root did the trick Jul 13 22:57:55 typing sudo su should be enough Jul 13 22:58:02 jpa--: why dont you have ubuntu? Jul 13 22:58:27 i tried ubuntu and just couldnt use it Jul 13 22:58:55 i do. I'm on it right now Jul 13 22:59:07 trying to edit .bashrc Jul 13 22:59:07 ok Jul 13 22:59:24 so I can finish installing the sdk Jul 13 22:59:26 do gkedit .bashrc Jul 13 22:59:29 or something Jul 13 22:59:51 I forgot the command Jul 13 23:00:01 or you can do sudo nano .bashrc Jul 13 23:00:05 why are you trying to edit ~/rooot/.bashrc? Jul 13 23:00:07 which is not as bad Jul 13 23:00:27 jpa--: hey dont stay under root you tit Jul 13 23:00:40 use sudo Jul 13 23:01:26 nothing wrong in staying as root, just dont forget to use exit Jul 13 23:01:44 I dont like to stay under root Jul 13 23:01:44 to ad the line; 'export PATH=${PATH}: bleh/android/tools' Jul 13 23:01:58 jpa--: dont do it as root Jul 13 23:02:04 unless I really I am really pissed about not being able to change things Jul 13 23:02:27 jpa--: edit your own /home/jpa/.bashrc Jul 13 23:02:32 yeah Jul 13 23:02:37 dont do the one in root Jul 13 23:02:50 get out of root to do that Jul 13 23:03:02 root is dangerous anyway Jul 13 23:03:38 ah my bad Jul 13 23:05:14 hello Jul 13 23:05:22 jpa--: what i did was place the androd (sdk) in /opt/android and gave my self rw Jul 13 23:05:50 hello xiu Jul 13 23:06:02 * zelrikriando is laughing Jul 13 23:06:30 I showed my HTC Magic with the Hero Sense on it to an iphone girl Jul 13 23:06:36 how does the day treat you zel Jul 13 23:06:50 iphone girls eh? Jul 13 23:06:56 wut Jul 13 23:06:57 and what did the iphone show you?/ Jul 13 23:06:59 She was feeling bad about her iphone after I was done with her Jul 13 23:07:00 iphone girls? WRONG Jul 13 23:07:04 Wickednix, ping! Jul 13 23:07:18 The Hero is really that nice? Jul 13 23:07:37 i just ordered 10 hero devices Jul 13 23:07:38 how about Battery Life because i am about to throw my G1 against the wall Jul 13 23:07:42 xiu: the iphone looks like a toy for kid in front of it Jul 13 23:07:52 ORLY Jul 13 23:07:53 xiu: it's a bit better Jul 13 23:07:55 the what-phone? Jul 13 23:08:00 Never heard of it. Jul 13 23:08:20 the battery life on mine is not as bad imo Jul 13 23:08:36 I can listen to much more mp3 than with my old phone Jul 13 23:08:45 did the iFone girl have a 3GS ifone or the 3G? Jul 13 23:08:57 becuase The S has a pretty bad ass video card on it Jul 13 23:08:58 xiu: the previous one Jul 13 23:09:09 oh ya agreed that fone is Karp Jul 13 23:09:18 whats Karp Jul 13 23:09:25 A fish Jul 13 23:09:33 crap Jul 13 23:09:34 karp Jul 13 23:09:38 same diffrence Jul 13 23:09:45 you don't want to lick either Jul 13 23:09:52 xiu: still the 3GS is better but not anywhere near the Her Jul 13 23:09:56 Hero even Jul 13 23:10:07 where cani get the hero rom that was leaked Jul 13 23:10:16 so the Hero must kick the crap out of the HTC dream Jul 13 23:10:35 xiu: ok let me tell you something Jul 13 23:10:40 once I find the link of the rom Jul 13 23:10:41 k Jul 13 23:10:47 except no keyboard, so no Jul 13 23:11:01 sigh... ya no keyboard is a hard sell for me Jul 13 23:11:09 i like to touch things Jul 13 23:11:25 twois10: http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Sense_UI_on_the_HTC_Magic_(32A) Jul 13 23:11:41 if i didnt need a keyboard and a softkey was good enough, there would be no reason for real girls porn woudl be enough Jul 13 23:11:43 and how is the htc hero better than the 3gs with a slower proc? Jul 13 23:11:45 I made that wiki page :p Jul 13 23:11:59 grindking: it's better, that s it :p Jul 13 23:12:05 software is better :p Jul 13 23:12:07 zelrikriando: gracias Jul 13 23:12:18 zelrikriando: ahh :D Jul 13 23:12:50 agreed the 3G$ Is sooo fast Jul 13 23:12:58 my co-woker got one... bastard Jul 13 23:13:05 xiu: so I bought the HTC Magic, which was already quite impressive, I tossed the OS and installed Hero on it... the interface got better by a factor 10 Jul 13 23:13:16 wow Jul 13 23:13:17 man, good thing you didn't say 3GS :) Jul 13 23:13:24 hahahaha Jul 13 23:13:27 zelrikriando: am looking for the source and possible build my own rom from it Jul 13 23:13:29 hi jesus Jul 13 23:13:43 crap! I just said it. *ducks for cover* Jul 13 23:13:48 ha Jul 13 23:13:54 for shape Jul 13 23:13:57 Shame Jul 13 23:13:57 JesusFreke: quack. Jul 13 23:14:16 xiu: it's amazing how fast things can be when you run one app at a time and don't use java. Jul 13 23:14:22 xiu: Hero : multitough, improved touch screen keyboard (REALLY improved), awesome widgets...overall more intuitive and sleek interface... Jul 13 23:14:31 Gery:ha so true so true Jul 13 23:14:31 multitouch even Jul 13 23:14:32 1 app Jul 13 23:14:34 hhahhaa Jul 13 23:15:00 xiu: not to mention flash support Jul 13 23:15:04 the only intuitive interface is the nipple Jul 13 23:15:18 Does hero support Flash10? Jul 13 23:15:28 xiu: flash lite for now Jul 13 23:15:29 to start modifying roms, where is a good guide to start with? Jul 13 23:15:29 no Jul 13 23:15:34 yea flash lite Jul 13 23:15:35 ah Jul 13 23:15:38 but flash 10 in october Jul 13 23:15:38 the light Jul 13 23:15:54 "Concerns of iPhone 3GS Overheating and Discoloration Gaining Publicity" Jul 13 23:16:33 The widgets on the Hero are great Jul 13 23:16:39 anyone? Jul 13 23:16:40 no comparison with the Magic Jul 13 23:16:46 \o Jul 13 23:17:02 where is a good place to start if i want to modify ROM Jul 13 23:17:04 will the Tmob Dream support the Hero updates? Jul 13 23:17:19 not sure Jul 13 23:17:25 The Dream is getting old Jul 13 23:17:28 ya Jul 13 23:17:51 sigh... but i want a keyboard Jul 13 23:18:06 buy a blackberry then ahahah Jul 13 23:18:10 ewww Jul 13 23:18:33 i hate that word more than fruit fones Jul 13 23:18:47 actually any fruit should not be a phone Jul 13 23:18:51 besides a bananna phone Jul 13 23:19:00 banana Jul 13 23:19:11 damn right Jul 13 23:19:21 HTC Hero vs blackberry Jul 13 23:19:25 lol lol Jul 13 23:19:29 ya really Jul 13 23:19:33 ugh BB are so horrible Jul 13 23:19:37 who chose the best name Jul 13 23:19:43 they force me to carry one for work :*( Jul 13 23:19:44 Hero vs berry Jul 13 23:19:45 lol Jul 13 23:20:13 wii VS PS3 Jul 13 23:20:14 lol Jul 13 23:20:18 I think the HTC Hero deserves its name Jul 13 23:20:30 it's >> than the magic/dream Jul 13 23:20:37 i was thinking about buying one Jul 13 23:21:12 is htc magic the mytouch 3g? Jul 13 23:21:20 Haraken: yes Jul 13 23:21:24 ahh Jul 13 23:21:33 and I think you can use the Hero interface on it Jul 13 23:21:36 if you hack it :p Jul 13 23:21:55 looks like they gave it a lot more ram Jul 13 23:22:25 Haraken: I have the Magic (Rogers version) and the Hero interface runs quite well on it Jul 13 23:22:37 zelrikriando, nice Jul 13 23:22:51 zelrikriando, missing keyboard isn't driving you nuts? Jul 13 23:23:13 Haraken: I am not missing anything Jul 13 23:23:28 zel can i pm u? Jul 13 23:23:32 The touchscreen keyboard is great Jul 13 23:23:38 xiu: for what Jul 13 23:23:44 link to a build Jul 13 23:23:56 xiu: go ahead Jul 13 23:24:21 zelrikriando, you were able to flash it the same way an htc dream was flashed? Jul 13 23:24:25 Haraken: if you stay with the mytouch touchscreen you ll not like it as much though Jul 13 23:24:43 Haraken: I can point you to the wiki I wrote after I did Jul 13 23:24:45 oh you only like it because you are running hero on it? Jul 13 23:25:11 I'd be interested in seeing it, but already bought a g1 not too long ago Jul 13 23:25:12 Haraken: I am not really the author but the tutorial I found was crap so I rewrote it Jul 13 23:25:22 i want to load hero on my G1 Jul 13 23:25:23 hehe Jul 13 23:25:32 Haraken: yeah, I cant go back on the magic interface Jul 13 23:25:48 does the Dream's keyboard work on the hero build? Jul 13 23:25:52 because it's impossible or because you like the hero better? Jul 13 23:26:41 Haraken: because I am spoiled by the Hero Jul 13 23:27:01 it's not impossible, I can install any rom with the recovery tool Jul 13 23:27:11 ah ok Jul 13 23:27:12 Well any rom that would work of course Jul 13 23:27:27 zelrikriando, so hero rom roms as fast as cupcake did on g1? Jul 13 23:27:33 roms/runs Jul 13 23:27:35 xD Jul 13 23:28:08 it's pretty responsive Jul 13 23:28:19 I still feel better hardware would be nice Jul 13 23:28:33 but it's quite comfortable already Jul 13 23:28:46 so it's not as responsive as cupcake on the dream? Jul 13 23:28:54 that's my main concern :) Jul 13 23:29:35 Haraken: I dont know about the dream :) Jul 13 23:29:42 you never owned a dream? Jul 13 23:29:45 no Jul 13 23:29:48 ah you waited it out Jul 13 23:29:49 xD Jul 13 23:30:10 I was like hu? Dream? keep dreaming, I want the real stuff Jul 13 23:30:18 I was getting impatient I couldn't wait Jul 13 23:30:23 I was so close too Jul 13 23:30:28 I live in Canada also Jul 13 23:30:29 hey guys , finally got my HTC magic Jul 13 23:30:40 so I got both dream and magic choices at the same time Jul 13 23:30:44 I chose the most recent one Jul 13 23:31:03 mase_work: congratulations Jul 13 23:31:31 zelrikriando: yeh i'm pretty happy with it. Still struggling with some minor issues but for the most part it's working really well Jul 13 23:31:50 mase_work: how do you feel about the touchscreen keyboard Jul 13 23:32:22 zelrikriando: unsure at the moment. i tend to make alot of mistakes Jul 13 23:32:30 zelrikriando, link me your tutorial when you get a chance Jul 13 23:32:32 zelrikriando: where can i get a how to for modifying ROMs? Jul 13 23:32:34 i'm not sure if i'll get better though Jul 13 23:32:35 mase_work: you ll improve Jul 13 23:32:51 twois10: hey I am not an expert lol Jul 13 23:33:02 i am hoping thats the case. =) Jul 13 23:33:09 twois10: I think you can get the source code and look at the tutorial to compile it Jul 13 23:33:13 zelrikriando: you have magic also? Jul 13 23:33:26 mase_work: yup, I changed the interface though Jul 13 23:33:50 Haraken: http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page the ones at the bottom for the MAgic Jul 13 23:33:54 zelrikriando: thats right your running the hero interface right ? Jul 13 23:34:08 Haraken: Dont overrate me, I wrote that because it worked for me Jul 13 23:34:21 mase_work: yup Jul 13 23:34:55 zelrikriando, did you have to update spl/radio ? Jul 13 23:34:57 I basically combined some info I found on the internet Jul 13 23:35:11 I updated the spl Jul 13 23:35:16 not sure it was needed Jul 13 23:35:25 you didn't update radio? Jul 13 23:35:30 what I did was dangerous Jul 13 23:35:33 The radio? Jul 13 23:35:38 yeah Jul 13 23:35:53 if you don't update radio first (at least on htc dream) you will brick your phone. Jul 13 23:36:13 heh Jul 13 23:36:19 you're basically talking to me too Jul 13 23:36:24 Well I followed that tutorial in that order Jul 13 23:36:28 zelrikriando have the same phone w/ the same provider Jul 13 23:36:37 and seem to have done exactly the same thing Jul 13 23:36:45 zelrikriando: haykuro and aman_RA root instructions? Jul 13 23:36:51 haykuros SPL 1.33.2005? Jul 13 23:37:20 zelrikriando: not sure if my message sent, irc client crashed, but i tried to ask if you knew how to background an application ? Jul 13 23:37:32 zelrikriando: show me ur link Jul 13 23:37:34 jpa-_: I dont think I did anything related to haykuro Jul 13 23:38:18 mase_work: it depends on the app I think, but some apps keep running if you press the home button Jul 13 23:38:19 wow the fucking level of stupidity on the forums is beyond anything i have seen lately Jul 13 23:38:42 all these fucking idiots making these shitty ass slow hero roms and labeling them ready for daily use Jul 13 23:38:43 thats because canadian users are trying to hack their phones now :) Jul 13 23:38:58 the hero rom im using isn't particularly slow Jul 13 23:39:06 canadians should not even be allowed to use a computer Jul 13 23:39:14 jpa-_: I followed the instruction on how to root the phone (from the wiki), it didnt work well, then I went onto the Amon_Ra stuff and figured things out Jul 13 23:39:32 I think Amon Ra rocks :p Jul 13 23:39:49 ahh yeah.. Amon RA is basically the same thing as haykuros i think Jul 13 23:40:00 zelrikriando: one more question,when downloading files from a web browser, how do i cancel the download ? Jul 13 23:40:24 or close the browser failing that Jul 13 23:40:25 I never tried to cancel Jul 13 23:40:40 mase_work: you can press the menu button within the browser Jul 13 23:40:44 there are options Jul 13 23:40:46 Haraken: you do not need to touch SPL or Radio on HTC Magic - the forced radio or you brick shit is Dream only Jul 13 23:41:26 ahh i see Jul 13 23:41:29 Radix_ is the best Jul 13 23:41:31 Haraken: What if we've only rooted, and updated SPL? Jul 13 23:41:37 He is the one who helped me out :p Jul 13 23:41:43 not updated radio Jul 13 23:41:48 jpa--, listen to Radix_ Jul 13 23:42:23 NexVision: what Hero build and what hardware Jul 13 23:42:48 anyway.. off to work I go Jul 13 23:43:14 i tried em all on the g1 abd there all crap Jul 13 23:43:34 i mean if the dam thing doesnt receive sms how is it ready for daily use Jul 13 23:43:34 Well, g1 is not friend of Hero Jul 13 23:43:46 i know Jul 13 23:44:12 The biggest hurdle for me was getting the damned drivers to install under Vista Jul 13 23:44:24 does hero receive sms on magic? Jul 13 23:44:52 After that, rooting my HTC Magic was easy. Jul 13 23:44:57 Haraken: dont know, try sending me one :p Jul 13 23:45:06 zelrikriando, number please :) Jul 13 23:45:14 Hmm Jul 13 23:45:15 its not one try sending 4 in a row Jul 13 23:45:18 one after another Jul 13 23:45:22 ull get 1 or 2 Jul 13 23:45:23 max Jul 13 23:45:28 not sure I wanna broadcast my phone # Jul 13 23:45:35 use /msg Jul 13 23:45:38 actually you aren't in usa are you? can I still even send sms to that? :P Jul 13 23:46:19 Haraken: I think you can Jul 13 23:46:27 zelrikriando: you're in canada right? Jul 13 23:46:30 yup Jul 13 23:46:35 i can txt you to see if it works Jul 13 23:46:44 i m actually curious too since we're on the same rom Jul 13 23:47:31 Bah, I remember the good old days when ROM really did mean Read Only Memory :p Jul 13 23:49:07 zelrikriando: sms sent Jul 13 23:49:09 should work Jul 13 23:49:48 jpa-_: it works Jul 13 23:49:56 perfect Jul 13 23:50:10 w00t Jul 13 23:50:11 figured Jul 13 23:50:27 now my hero can randomly txt ur hero sometimes to say hi Jul 13 23:50:27 haha jk Jul 13 23:50:36 mass txt Jul 13 23:50:39 send 5 in a row Jul 13 23:50:43 lol W00t Jul 13 23:50:45 see how many u get Jul 13 23:50:56 u should be fine though since magic has more ram then g1 Jul 13 23:51:20 everyone send a txt to 1 301 482 8293 Jul 13 23:51:20 it's zelrikriando Jul 13 23:51:27 lol Jul 13 23:51:46 ;) Jul 13 23:52:14 jpa-_: you must really hate that person :p Jul 13 23:52:16 what should i do for cisco vpn connectivity Jul 13 23:52:32 haha i actually just made up a random number Jul 13 23:52:35 im not even sure if 301 is an area code Jul 13 23:52:40 ya it is Jul 13 23:52:43 its in California Jul 13 23:52:44 lol Jul 13 23:52:46 haha nice Jul 13 23:52:49 301 that is Jul 13 23:52:55 some guy in california will get pwnt Jul 13 23:52:56 lol Jul 13 23:53:03 i doubt 482 is a region suffix for california though Jul 13 23:53:04 hahaha Jul 13 23:53:10 ya Jul 13 23:53:44 hey I have ballmer's phone number Jul 13 23:53:49 you guys want it ? :D Jul 13 23:53:53 hahaha Jul 13 23:53:59 i want his daughters Jul 13 23:54:06 are they cute Jul 13 23:54:14 301 is maryland not california Jul 13 23:54:14 send her lude photos of me using a mac Jul 13 23:54:19 310 is california Jul 13 23:54:21 lewd Jul 13 23:54:23 oh 310 Jul 13 23:54:25 :) Jul 13 23:54:30 my bad Jul 13 23:54:35 310 is long beach Jul 13 23:54:40 i retarded Jul 13 23:54:46 a frind of mine has a 301 Jul 13 23:54:52 I'll walk in an apple store Jul 13 23:54:54 with my phone Jul 13 23:55:15 and compare with the iphone with the other customers Jul 13 23:55:16 walk into the apple store and ask them why they use windows mobile for their point of sales Jul 13 23:55:16 I had some fun with the reps at an apple store Jul 13 23:55:27 u wanna have real fun with them Jul 13 23:55:32 Went in with a defunct star-tac and told them my "iphone" wasn'tt working Jul 13 23:55:35 take a hackintosh in there Jul 13 23:55:37 and they needed to fix it Jul 13 23:55:46 and tgell them ur having a problem with iphoto Jul 13 23:55:50 cuz you know.. all phones are iphone snow Jul 13 23:55:51 lol Jul 13 23:55:57 i do it all the time with my dell Jul 13 23:56:12 there like ummm iphoto is for apple's not windows Jul 13 23:56:28 ha Jul 13 23:56:33 once I bothered the Hell out of the front desk at an Hotel Jul 13 23:56:45 because the wifi wasnt working on my ubuntu laptop Jul 13 23:56:54 lol Jul 13 23:56:55 fhahaha Jul 13 23:56:59 stupid proxy Jul 13 23:57:01 I went very very far actually Jul 13 23:57:08 mosy hotels don't manage their own network access Jul 13 23:57:11 *most Jul 13 23:57:13 I made them feel stupid Jul 13 23:57:26 goood they are stupid Jul 13 23:57:26 waypoint Jul 13 23:57:39 I was really really pushy and agressive Jul 13 23:57:44 get some waypoint 0day Jul 13 23:57:46 another fun one is call linksys for help with your internet Jul 13 23:57:52 Then ended giving me a wire cable Jul 13 23:57:59 hahaha Jul 13 23:58:01 and be sure your linksys is flashed with dd-wrt software Jul 13 23:58:05 zelrikriando, it's not cool to be an asshole to people just doing their job Jul 13 23:58:10 having a little fun is one thing Jul 13 23:58:10 after enabling the wired networking in my room Jul 13 23:58:15 it is Jul 13 23:58:18 but don't be a douche Jul 13 23:58:20 its all about bring a wifi mediation switch to a hotel Jul 13 23:58:33 languish: I was not an asshole, once it worked I gave a tip Jul 13 23:58:39 i love being a douche to the apple store Jul 13 23:58:43 there all so stupid Jul 13 23:59:03 and i swear half the people in the 2 closest stores to me are retarded Jul 13 23:59:13 languish: I am not an asshole, I just want to get things done, and tell people about it until things get done Jul 13 23:59:17 and im not saying that i mean there actually retarded Jul 13 23:59:18 yeah, I don't mind being a douche to people who take jobs they need technical knowledge for but don't have a clue Jul 13 23:59:25 They are all geniuses, there moms say so Jul 13 23:59:58 i thought only grocery stores hired the retards Jul 14 00:00:11 y would a computer store hire them Jul 14 00:00:11 walmart Jul 14 00:00:11 for the greeters Jul 14 00:00:15 unless there point is even retards can work our shit Jul 14 00:00:27 Most stores will hire anyone willing to lie to your face to get you to buy more crap Jul 14 00:00:43 languish: I gave a $10 tip to the lady who was really committed to help me, she got it done, so I paid her Jul 14 00:00:46 Doesn't matter if they know jack about the store or its products Jul 14 00:00:49 hehe my company lies to people Jul 14 00:00:55 YA our shti works GREAT Jul 14 00:00:57 HAHAHAHA Jul 14 00:01:16 i bet most of you have bought an returned a product my company makes Jul 14 00:01:28 within the hour Jul 14 00:01:28 xiu: what company Jul 14 00:01:31 what company Jul 14 00:01:35 D-link systems Jul 14 00:01:44 I have a dlink Jul 14 00:01:46 lol Jul 14 00:01:46 :D Jul 14 00:01:48 i have a dlink-router Jul 14 00:01:48 i hate dlink Jul 14 00:01:49 hehehe Jul 14 00:01:52 they suck Jul 14 00:01:53 ive had a d-link i swear by Jul 14 00:01:53 it's the name of my wifi connection Jul 14 00:01:56 Me to Nex Jul 14 00:01:57 XDDDDDD Jul 14 00:02:04 how to compile tab-completion to the android shell? Jul 14 00:02:06 well SOME dlink stuff is awsome Jul 14 00:02:10 and most is total crap Jul 14 00:02:12 ehhh Jul 14 00:02:14 thats how i feel abotu rogers Jul 14 00:02:15 DGL routers are good Jul 14 00:02:19 working for them is as shitty as being a customer Jul 14 00:02:20 maybe there most expensive stuff Jul 14 00:02:30 zelrikriando, did you test your sms Jul 14 00:02:32 xiu: you re right though, my wifi randomly dies Jul 14 00:02:37 hehehe Jul 14 00:02:41 which one do you have zel? Jul 14 00:02:42 Haraken: I did, it worked Jul 14 00:02:46 I had a D-link AP for a long time Jul 14 00:02:52 cool :) Jul 14 00:02:54 xiu: hold on, some cheap crap Jul 14 00:02:54 It worked fine until it had an encounter with coffee Jul 14 00:03:08 hahaha "well theirs your problem " Jul 14 00:03:09 i had a dlink worked great untill i hooked it up Jul 14 00:03:12 WBR-2310 Jul 14 00:03:18 hahaha oic Jul 14 00:03:24 Now I run a Linksys wireless router Jul 14 00:03:24 WBR is total crap Jul 14 00:03:28 but before that it was a gre paperweight Jul 14 00:03:38 xiu: ahahah only 40bucks though Jul 14 00:03:39 the DGL-4300 and DIR 655 are the shit Jul 14 00:03:47 but the rest are ummm Jul 14 00:03:50 not so great Jul 14 00:04:03 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series Jul 14 00:04:04 and the storage products are awsome Jul 14 00:04:04 :) Jul 14 00:04:09 35$ at wally world Jul 14 00:04:13 and then flash dd-wrt Jul 14 00:04:19 youll be so happy Jul 14 00:04:21 ya Jul 14 00:04:26 ddwrt does make it awsome Jul 14 00:04:37 ive got like 9 of those routers Jul 14 00:04:40 DIR-130 + ddwrt Jul 14 00:04:41 i love em Jul 14 00:04:55 hehe box o routers Jul 14 00:04:57 i know how that goes Jul 14 00:05:01 Did I tell you guys that the girl who helped me purchase my Magic was biased against the iphone? Jul 14 00:05:13 as anyone who has a brain is Jul 14 00:05:14 I am sure she is paid for that Jul 14 00:05:23 a girl who is biased AGAINST an iphone? Jul 14 00:05:25 wild Jul 14 00:05:28 the iphone was designed by mental midgets for mental midgets Jul 14 00:05:33 because they dont sell many HTC's in Canada Jul 14 00:05:45 zelrikriando: ? tricked into a crummy phone by a girl? Jul 14 00:05:50 heheh. Jul 14 00:05:51 hahaha Jul 14 00:06:00 grey-: I knew what I was buying from the beginning Jul 14 00:06:08 for srs though, I have many female friends w/ g1's. Jul 14 00:06:11 grey-: she just removed doubts from my head Jul 14 00:06:20 My sister has an iPhone... I hate the thing. Jul 14 00:06:26 zelrikriando: did she remove anything else, clothing perhaps? Jul 14 00:06:27 i had one Jul 14 00:06:33 It refuses to charge from my laptop for some reason too. Jul 14 00:06:40 grey-: no, she was not pretty enough Jul 14 00:06:42 i got sick of needed to rehack and rehack and rehack it Jul 14 00:06:46 my girl had one and everytime i touched it it locked u p Jul 14 00:06:57 grey-: my bra size filter didnt trigger Jul 14 00:07:00 she hated it Jul 14 00:07:07 I actaully did that in an Apple store once, NexVision Jul 14 00:07:08 switched her to g1 and she loves it Jul 14 00:07:23 zelrikriando: bra size is irrelevant; women have many other asses. Ah well. ;-/ Jul 14 00:07:36 'Hey, did you know the browser on this phone is giving an error message?' Jul 14 00:07:45 grey-: nice freudian slip Jul 14 00:07:46 grey-: I filter anything under B Jul 14 00:07:49 grey-: [sic] or missing a "t"? :P Jul 14 00:07:53 tried to scroll down for the rest and it crashed hard Jul 14 00:07:54 ts Jul 14 00:07:55 yes. Jul 14 00:08:03 wow Jul 14 00:08:05 zelrikriando: well pass them my way. ;) Jul 14 00:08:13 me too zel Jul 14 00:08:14 KNY: ping? Jul 14 00:08:17 my damn networks is so screwed now Jul 14 00:08:21 ill take the B's N the A's Jul 14 00:08:23 everything went to shit after i called comcast and she enabled the vpn Jul 14 00:08:29 actually even under C Jul 14 00:08:30 * Remmon pushes Macer's network to see if it'll break Jul 14 00:08:31 LOL Jul 14 00:08:35 Remmon: haha Jul 14 00:08:41 NexVision: i mean like.. nothing incoming is connecting Jul 14 00:08:41 A is okay if they have a body to match Jul 14 00:08:46 in smallness Jul 14 00:08:53 as if the nat is totally disabled Jul 14 00:08:53 * NexVision pokes Macer's crappy cable to crash the dns server Jul 14 00:09:01 Macer, NAT at the ISP? Jul 14 00:09:03 w00t Jul 14 00:09:07 its 5pm Jul 14 00:09:09 macer try using opendns Jul 14 00:09:12 see you bitches and hoz later Jul 14 00:09:14 Remmon: no. the status of the modem still has the isp nat doing crap Jul 14 00:09:14 see if that works for u Jul 14 00:09:20 NexVision: it isn't the dns Jul 14 00:09:24 my dns works fine ;) Jul 14 00:09:27 u sure Jul 14 00:09:34 positive. all it does is get ips Jul 14 00:09:35 heh Jul 14 00:09:35 that was another prob i had with them Jul 14 00:09:38 * Remmon likes his ISP, no NAT for me. Jul 14 00:09:47 so whats the problem ur having> Jul 14 00:09:59 Well, he says all incoming connections are failing Jul 14 00:10:00 nothing incoming will forward through the cable modem's nat to the boxes Jul 14 00:10:11 ahhhh Jul 14 00:10:14 i was scurrying around looking for a damn power adapter Jul 14 00:10:18 its not bridged then i would say Jul 14 00:10:20 for a motorola surfboard Jul 14 00:10:21 Is the modem's logs actaully showing the incoming connections at all? Jul 14 00:10:24 NexVision: i agree :) Jul 14 00:10:26 i don't understand it Jul 14 00:10:39 the3re really rean't too many "logs" Jul 14 00:10:40 heh Jul 14 00:10:52 That's a bummer... Jul 14 00:10:56 i bet the admin stuff on the comcast side Jul 14 00:11:00 has a whole slew of logs Jul 14 00:11:08 i'm going to ahve to call them again :( Jul 14 00:11:10 damnit Jul 14 00:11:12 ISP's NAT'ing?!!? Jul 14 00:11:15 See, there's the problem with proprietary modems... Jul 14 00:11:16 goddamnit Jul 14 00:11:18 i was hoping to find the power adapter to thsi crap Jul 14 00:11:18 wait a minute Jul 14 00:11:20 humans still breaking the internet. Jul 14 00:11:25 didnt u say u where comcast business Jul 14 00:11:28 yeah Jul 14 00:11:33 i have that business gateway crap Jul 14 00:11:35 the SMC Jul 14 00:11:38 u shouldnt have a surfboard then Jul 14 00:11:42 oh ok Jul 14 00:11:45 humans is synonymous with "break" Jul 14 00:11:47 i have my own from a while back ;) Jul 14 00:11:49 yeah u should have the smc barricade Jul 14 00:11:56 Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups Jul 14 00:11:57 oh it's a barricade alright Jul 14 00:12:03 hehehehehehhehehe Jul 14 00:12:15 i mean Jul 14 00:12:20 is "bridge" an actual enabled option? Jul 14 00:12:25 u need to configure your router for ppoe and set the barricade as solely bridge Jul 14 00:12:36 in the admin section of it yes Jul 14 00:12:36 pppoe?! Jul 14 00:12:42 Aye Jul 14 00:12:44 but they have to do it Jul 14 00:12:50 lol Jul 14 00:12:51 yeah Jul 14 00:12:54 because they wont give u the admin login Jul 14 00:12:57 only the basic Jul 14 00:12:59 anyone ever seen cyanogen here? Jul 14 00:13:02 omg Jul 14 00:13:12 well... say she did set it up as a "bridge" Jul 14 00:13:13 :) Jul 14 00:13:22 Move over to the Netherlands, they'd have to let you connect to their network with any modem :P Jul 14 00:13:23 i wouldn't be able to see it correct? Jul 14 00:13:33 i mean how would i be able to tell if she did it? Jul 14 00:13:51 It would be blindly forwarding anything incoming and outgoing? Jul 14 00:13:59 if its setup properly u would have ppoe in your router before u could surf Jul 14 00:14:10 Your router would see an internet IP on the WAN side, instead of a LAN IP Jul 14 00:14:20 if you didnt setup your router for ppoe and ur still surfing it aint bridged properly Jul 14 00:14:36 is there a certain port i have to hook it up to on the cm? Jul 14 00:14:43 no Jul 14 00:14:54 so just pppoe after it's bridged? Jul 14 00:14:54 :) Jul 14 00:14:56 and that's it? Jul 14 00:15:04 basically ur router would configure your connection Jul 14 00:15:08 ah i see Jul 14 00:15:14 ugh this is a pain.. yeah i have to call them again Jul 14 00:17:58 Hm...is it possible to make every client on my network in their own little network? Jul 14 00:18:03 so they cant see each other? Jul 14 00:18:03 anyone wants to be a brand new magic untouched 32a lol? Jul 14 00:18:15 buy* Jul 14 00:18:19 how much :P Jul 14 00:18:25 10 bucks Jul 14 00:18:27 sure Jul 14 00:18:27 quanto Jul 14 00:18:32 no Jul 14 00:18:37 100 dollars Jul 14 00:18:37 20 Jul 14 00:18:42 mexican dollars :P Jul 14 00:18:43 i will take ur freezer and 500$ Jul 14 00:18:54 haha Jul 14 00:19:19 but im thinking of selling the one i get end of the week Jul 14 00:19:35 then get some more money n get a hero =p Jul 14 00:19:46 i thought you had the g1? Jul 14 00:19:52 with the dead pix Jul 14 00:20:19 no lol Jul 14 00:20:22 it was the magic Jul 14 00:20:28 aww Jul 14 00:20:29 you puss Jul 14 00:20:35 i take that back about everything! Jul 14 00:20:37 lol Jul 14 00:21:01 how am i being a puss for having a magic? only reason i bought it over the g1 cuz of the ram Jul 14 00:21:12 same here Jul 14 00:21:16 the magic rocks Jul 14 00:21:22 agreed Jul 14 00:21:29 so much more comfortable than the dream Jul 14 00:21:33 even though my carrier was pushing the dream over the magic lol just for the public Jul 14 00:21:34 k4r1m: Because AakashPatel prefers a phone with a physical keyboard? (just guessin') Jul 14 00:21:34 and i can attest to this because i had both Jul 14 00:21:47 GiantTalkingCow: Moooo Jul 14 00:21:48 bought the dream first and had it for over 2 weeks before i returned it for the dream Jul 14 00:21:51 very happy with my decision Jul 14 00:21:59 but apparently some people with fat fingers *NEED* a keyboard :P Jul 14 00:22:01 seriously f the keybaord... tired of hearing that crap Jul 14 00:22:02 I want a hero Jul 14 00:22:04 :D Jul 14 00:22:04 Moo? Jul 14 00:22:10 your nick Jul 14 00:22:12 P Jul 14 00:22:14 :P * Jul 14 00:22:14 * GiantTalkingCow makes a giraffe noise instead. Jul 14 00:22:31 ill bet you all of these g1 users will get a hero if they have a chance with a heart beat Jul 14 00:22:41 Hey guys, I have some news for you, the keyboard on the Magic works Jul 14 00:22:55 zelrikriando: OMFG O RLY? Jul 14 00:22:58 so stop bitching about the dream being better Jul 14 00:22:59 :D Jul 14 00:23:44 i actually tried the dream at the store and i dont udnerstand how your right hand fingers could reach the keybaord so uncomfy Jul 14 00:24:36 Mine's just fine :P Jul 14 00:24:44 ADP1 btw Jul 14 00:24:48 so its all good ;) Jul 14 00:24:57 but if i had a regular g1 i would hate it :) Jul 14 00:25:11 lol there is no hardware difference Jul 14 00:25:17 hahaha whats the diff? Jul 14 00:25:18 The kewl back cover? Jul 14 00:25:20 duhhhh Jul 14 00:25:23 lmao Jul 14 00:25:37 I remember one dream on display at a Rogers store, it was broken Jul 14 00:25:41 haha Jul 14 00:25:42 NexVision: guess i'm going to go ahead and call these people Jul 14 00:25:43 heh Jul 14 00:25:46 i was actually going to get the adp1 but they were charging like 240$ for shipping and handling to canada Jul 14 00:25:47 all this for a vpn Jul 14 00:25:47 the screen being separated from the keyboard Jul 14 00:25:49 it's not big deal to have a phone that is inferior to another phone Jul 14 00:25:53 but this damn router crap they give you sucks Jul 14 00:25:55 you don't have to justify it to hide the shame Jul 14 00:26:00 I was like "This looks like crap, I am not buying that" Jul 14 00:26:00 a wrt is better :) Jul 14 00:26:04 :P Jul 14 00:26:18 I haz graffiti on mine Jul 14 00:26:19 xperia racheal is freaking sexy Jul 14 00:26:27 you haz "wif gewgle" on yours Jul 14 00:26:28 zelrikriando: yeah after using it for like 2 days, the screen started to get flimsy so im like "wuh oh... fuck this" Jul 14 00:26:28 4' inch screen is gonna be amazing Jul 14 00:26:36 im surprised there's not a lot of "I BROKE MY SCREEN OFF" stories Jul 14 00:26:52 detachable keyboard Jul 14 00:26:53 jpa-_: lol thats not gonna happen Jul 14 00:26:58 you cant put it back though Jul 14 00:26:59 jpa-_: every rogers store i go to the demo ones have the slider broken lol Jul 14 00:27:09 haha nice Jul 14 00:27:23 AakashPatel: what makes you say that? Jul 14 00:27:25 regular people have tuff times opening it Jul 14 00:27:29 makes bad publicity Jul 14 00:27:36 jpa-_: it seems pretty sturdy to me Jul 14 00:27:39 especially that the Magic is just beside it Jul 14 00:27:45 AakashPatel: how long you had yours? Jul 14 00:27:49 6 months Jul 14 00:27:55 :P Jul 14 00:28:07 hrm Jul 14 00:28:18 i still dont' trust it Jul 14 00:28:19 wow lol Jul 14 00:28:27 lol Jul 14 00:28:35 i gotta send mine back in a few days though XD Jul 14 00:28:36 AakashPatel: u a dev? Jul 14 00:28:41 haha why? Jul 14 00:28:46 slider broken? :P Jul 14 00:28:47 "HTC's redemption song: 3.5mm jacks coming to 'vast majority' of post-Hero devices" Too little, too late? Jul 14 00:28:49 the space key works 50% of the time Jul 14 00:28:51 haha Jul 14 00:28:58 haha Jul 14 00:29:04 k4r1m: yea, if i cant hink of somethin to make Jul 14 00:29:04 yay keyboard Jul 14 00:29:10 i actually found the keyboard kinda... too big Jul 14 00:29:21 grey-: that jack issue will haunt them Jul 14 00:29:22 i mean, yeah every character you could possibly need day-to-day was there Jul 14 00:29:23 but jesus Jul 14 00:29:24 grey-: yeah here has the 3.5mm jack lol Jul 14 00:29:35 hero* Jul 14 00:29:37 damit Jul 14 00:29:39 grey-: bwahaha. Jul 14 00:29:43 im sure there are mini-usb to 3.5mm converter chords Jul 14 00:29:52 get a headphone jack, lose qwerty! Jul 14 00:29:55 jpa-_: I own two, actually. Jul 14 00:30:01 someday -someone- will get it figured out. ;) Jul 14 00:30:05 nice Jul 14 00:30:13 warewolf: what are they called? Jul 14 00:30:26 lol @ land of the lost... watching it for like the third time Jul 14 00:30:26 grey-: well atleast the industry decided to standardize on miniusb as a charging connector. Jul 14 00:30:38 jpa-_: the HTC 3-in-1 adapter, and the one that came with my G1 Jul 14 00:30:44 warewolf: wasn't that very very recent? Jul 14 00:30:45 haha nice Jul 14 00:30:47 warewolf: well not everyone in the industry. ;) Jul 14 00:30:47 grey-: ...except apple. Jul 14 00:30:55 hehe. Jul 14 00:31:00 grey-: yeah everyone Jul 14 00:31:11 grey-: saw it in my rss feeds a few weeks ago =p Jul 14 00:31:12 grey-: so I see ioerror is presenting in vegas! Jul 14 00:31:18 warewolf: correct. Jul 14 00:31:21 warewolf: microusb, not miniusb Jul 14 00:31:26 Rogers Wireless doesn't give jackshit for accessories Jul 14 00:31:26 w/ k!ngpin iirc. Jul 14 00:31:32 grey-: will you be present? Jul 14 00:31:38 warewolf: unknown. Jul 14 00:31:42 warewolf: I kinda hate vegas. Jul 14 00:31:43 grey-: it'd be cool to finally meet you in meatspace. Jul 14 00:31:45 jpa-_: they have been telling me they are getting shit since june 2nd. Jul 14 00:31:54 warewolf: I'll let you know if I go. Jul 14 00:32:09 I d like protective gears for my phone Jul 14 00:32:09 k4r1m: haha Jul 14 00:32:15 if I drop it and stuff Jul 14 00:32:18 that d be neat Jul 14 00:32:34 k4r1m: they've also been saying for 4 years "this summer we are planning to vamp the network so more areas are covered, and those already covered get better coverage, with less spotiness" Jul 14 00:33:06 Rogers wireless...networkless also :p Jul 14 00:33:26 oh yeah Jul 14 00:33:29 chillin on hold Jul 14 00:33:31 lol Jul 14 00:33:36 now they can't access my gateway from comcast Jul 14 00:33:36 haha Jul 14 00:33:38 i get good coverage atleast Jul 14 00:33:42 i think the last tech person screwed something up Jul 14 00:33:51 because ever since she logged into it.. it jus thasn't been the same Jul 14 00:34:19 why... Jul 14 00:34:29 Macer: they control this stuff? Jul 14 00:34:51 jpa-_: i seriously cant freaking wait for globalive Jul 14 00:34:57 it will be sick! Jul 14 00:35:20 globalive is the reason fido removed their gay system access fee Jul 14 00:35:26 sure hope i don't draw too much attention to teh fact Jul 14 00:35:29 im in quebec :S Jul 14 00:35:31 that i downloaded like 10 TB in 2 months Jul 14 00:35:32 hahaq Jul 14 00:35:35 i dont think globalive is coming here Jul 14 00:35:48 jpa-_: they have their shit already setup here just waiting for a launch Jul 14 00:36:24 fidonet? Jul 14 00:36:27 nice Jul 14 00:36:34 jpa-_: Rogers have the best coverage in Canada...which is not saying much :D Jul 14 00:36:53 zelrikriando: lol no kidding Jul 14 00:37:01 bell and telus are horrible imo Jul 14 00:37:11 the versions of phones they release are crap Jul 14 00:37:13 and LOL CDMA Jul 14 00:37:16 Macer: lol the most ive done in two months is 200000MB's of xfer Jul 14 00:37:24 before I was on virginmobile Jul 14 00:37:29 HDSPA ftw! Jul 14 00:37:30 hey... has anyone put one of those screen protectors on their htc magics yet? Jul 14 00:37:30 which I think uses rogers network Jul 14 00:37:34 does it slow down the sensitivity ? Jul 14 00:37:59 .2TB Jul 14 00:38:00 hah Jul 14 00:38:28 jpa-_ & zelrikriando koodo ftw Jul 14 00:38:31 lol Jul 14 00:38:47 hahaha Jul 14 00:38:54 srsly *F* Koodo Jul 14 00:39:02 those koodo commericals are so funny Jul 14 00:39:12 cuz they dont make any sense at all. Jul 14 00:39:18 as much as i disagree with the way rogers does business, and how they're entirely gouging a hopeful market Jul 14 00:39:26 i am always satisfied with my service Jul 14 00:39:30 and my phones Jul 14 00:39:31 and options Jul 14 00:39:41 just the prices are balls Jul 14 00:39:48 jpa-_: i don' think of their new incoming text message charging thing they passed last week Jul 14 00:39:58 yeah charging for incoming txt. Jul 14 00:40:05 it doesn't affect me since i have a txt plan so Jul 14 00:40:06 meh Jul 14 00:40:23 if you have a txt plan, you don't get charged for incoming Jul 14 00:40:27 but the moment u need to change that or renew ur contract or something it will hit u Jul 14 00:40:38 no it won't Jul 14 00:40:50 the policy is that you get charged for incoming sms if you don't have a txt plan Jul 14 00:40:58 oh Jul 14 00:41:03 nvm then Jul 14 00:41:08 a lot of people use so few txts that they opt to pay $.15 a txt instead of like $10 for a txt plan Jul 14 00:41:10 man ##networking is dead Jul 14 00:41:18 i just to get the 6gb data plan then im set Jul 14 00:41:21 so for those people, it'll be $.15 for incoming sms as well Jul 14 00:41:28 yah i have that Jul 14 00:41:35 when does it expire? Jul 14 00:41:38 3 years Jul 14 00:41:45 i mean the offer Jul 14 00:41:48 oh Jul 14 00:41:51 july 19th i think Jul 14 00:42:01 lol i need to hurry Jul 14 00:42:03 a month from whenever the iphone 3g came out Jul 14 00:42:05 uhmm Jul 14 00:42:07 just pick up your phone Jul 14 00:42:10 dial *611 Jul 14 00:42:12 and ask for it Jul 14 00:42:27 i need a job first =p Jul 14 00:42:28 but like "ill take the 6gb data plan only if i can get first 3 months unlimited" Jul 14 00:42:31 hahahah sucker Jul 14 00:42:35 got a job interview 2mr so will see how that goes Jul 14 00:42:44 lol shut up i just finished school Jul 14 00:43:01 jpa-_: is that what u said? Jul 14 00:43:13 i swindled a lot Jul 14 00:43:19 no one is going over 6gb lol Jul 14 00:43:26 unless if u tether 24/7 Jul 14 00:43:30 upgrading to the 6gb data plan on top of what i already had only ended up costing me an exytra $15 a month Jul 14 00:43:34 from what i was always paying Jul 14 00:43:37 haha Jul 14 00:43:41 im tethering 24/7 right now Jul 14 00:43:47 internet prices in quebec are ridiculous Jul 14 00:43:49 it will cost me an extra 5$ lol Jul 14 00:44:29 my dad is already pissed off for having an extra 35$ for the value pack lmao Jul 14 00:45:32 im thinking of just getting my own contract since i just turned 18 Jul 14 00:45:37 Macer: now your makin me want to set up vpm Jul 14 00:45:39 vpn Jul 14 00:45:41 :P Jul 14 00:46:32 jpa-_: the 3g is not fast enough for me tethering Jul 14 00:46:46 not long ago I had the Xtreme speed plan Jul 14 00:46:47 Leeds, pong Jul 14 00:47:02 KNY: http://pastebin.com/f6e618bcb :) Jul 14 00:47:07 k4r1m, why not just pay your dad the extra $35? Jul 14 00:47:24 Leeds, /msg MemoServ read Jul 14 00:47:25 :) Jul 14 00:48:19 ah-ha... didn't see that, memoserv pinged me in the server tab of my xchat when I logged in Jul 14 00:48:38 oh man Jul 14 00:48:48 I pay more than $100 per month Jul 14 00:48:51 for phone+internet Jul 14 00:48:55 what a rip off Jul 14 00:49:51 anyway, the point is that I did provide a reference for the "no more room on G1" as well as "app2sd ain't gonna happen" :) Jul 14 00:50:08 Macer: when did you preorder the touchbook ? Jul 14 00:53:09 jpa-_: did you success tethering Jul 14 00:53:29 Macer: when did you preorder the touchbook ? Jul 14 00:54:49 <_Auron|G1_> okay nothing fun is going on in irc and my battery is at 30% and I'm heading to dinner Jul 14 00:55:13 <_Auron|G1_> so peace >_o Jul 14 01:03:29 does anyone in here have a barcode scanner? someone must have a cuecat sitting in a closet somewhere Jul 14 01:03:35 afternoon everyone.... Jul 14 01:03:56 anyone know where i can find an ion NBH file? Jul 14 01:04:17 KNY: my G1! Jul 14 01:04:25 KNY: but i have a PS2 cuecat as well... why? o_O Jul 14 01:04:25 zinx, I need a laser one Jul 14 01:04:33 cuecats don't use lasers Jul 14 01:04:33 gahh Jul 14 01:04:37 zinx, really? Jul 14 01:04:40 really. Jul 14 01:04:42 someone help me set up vlans on my ap XD Jul 14 01:04:45 they use a red LED Jul 14 01:04:48 nevermind then, haha Jul 14 01:05:00 zinx, I don't suppose you have yours hooked up? Jul 14 01:05:02 my mouse uses a infrared laser Jul 14 01:05:05 KNY: nope Jul 14 01:06:40 i haven't even bothered to port the drivers i wrote for it Jul 14 01:07:43 !!! Jul 14 01:07:45 aaka.sh Jul 14 01:07:47 :D Jul 14 01:08:28 now no one take it lol Jul 14 01:10:34 OMFG Jul 14 01:10:36 $95.00 Jul 14 01:11:36 i'll sell it to you for $95,000.00 Jul 14 01:12:01 lmao Jul 14 01:13:19 ubuntuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Jul 14 01:13:20 lol Jul 14 01:15:52 haha i remember breaking my cherry too Jul 14 01:16:32 was so stoked until flash support still sucked Jul 14 01:27:20 lol Jul 14 01:30:23 flash 10 ftw Jul 14 01:31:27 is it out KNY? Jul 14 01:31:57 xp_prg, no, but I've been running the (beta? alpha? whatever, "preview") for like 18 months or something Jul 14 01:32:03 no crashes or anything Jul 14 01:32:28 WELL Jul 14 01:32:33 KNY, rules. Jul 14 01:32:37 Listen to him. Jul 14 01:32:38 it's working a little better but i'm still screwed Jul 14 01:32:42 he had to reset my config Jul 14 01:32:47 so i lost all my nat rules :) Jul 14 01:32:48 well, maybe not 18 months. I don't know, haha Jul 14 01:32:52 and it still won't allow incoming connections Jul 14 01:33:02 and what makes it worse is that i forgot to ask what the defaul tpw is for the router Jul 14 01:33:06 according to this it's been out since february but I swear it's been longer than that. http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html Jul 14 01:33:43 anyone have any idea how to root the mytouch? i have one now and am open to try .... Jul 14 01:34:00 jphines79, how do you have one so early? Jul 14 01:34:04 Isn't that just when they officially announced it? Jul 14 01:34:16 KNY: secret! :) Jul 14 01:34:18 GenericNode, there's a download Jul 14 01:34:19 Business cust? Jul 14 01:34:34 GenericNode, ahh, the 64-bit version was posted in february. the 32-bit one has been out for a while now Jul 14 01:35:13 some dealers were able to get mytouches Jul 14 01:35:15 my fiance is an employee Jul 14 01:35:25 early Jul 14 01:35:25 and she was able to get one early. Jul 14 01:35:43 yeah, i'd be careful you don't get your fiance fired Jul 14 01:35:54 jphines79, yeah, you should have just left it as "secret" :) Jul 14 01:36:07 yeah, you are right....disregard. Jul 14 01:36:14 tmobile trolls xda for leakers and prob. here too Jul 14 01:36:18 ha ha...anyway, anyone got ideas? Jul 14 01:36:18 nice, so you found one in a dumpster? lucky Jul 14 01:36:38 on the street outside my house, sitting there in the box.... hahaha Jul 14 01:36:45 jphines79, have you tried the Rooting_Magic instructions? Jul 14 01:37:09 KNY yep.. aparently after speaking with haykuro this is the "perfect SPL" and i get fastboot not allow over and over again. Jul 14 01:39:37 the idea that i have been thinking of is using a google ion NBH since that is identical hardware wise to the mytouch Jul 14 01:39:43 any ideas how to get that NBH? Jul 14 01:50:37 KNY: what's my problem, check out the error: http://pastebin.org/1443 Jul 14 01:51:02 twois10, err, I don't know? Jul 14 01:51:28 KNY: am trying to build the android ndk Jul 14 01:51:44 twois10, I haven't the slightest clue. Why did you highlight me for this? Jul 14 01:51:55 lol Jul 14 01:51:58 Hi, I'm trying to get the Android SDK up and running with the Cyanogen 3.6.5 ROM and an HTC Hero ROM. I've got the Cyanogen ROM running but it seems to be missing the Calendar and Web Browser applications. And I have no clue how to get the Hero ROM running. I have a system.img of it but the SDK never seems to load. Any help? Jul 14 01:52:00 i thought you might know Jul 14 01:53:11 jphines79: so long i can run the latest ROMs i dont see any reason to get new hardware Jul 14 01:53:30 twois10 its a nice phone though.... Jul 14 01:53:44 very light and comfortable int he hand.... Jul 14 01:53:48 quite fast. Jul 14 01:54:09 i have not seen one physically but from pictures, it looks nice Jul 14 01:54:10 jphines79, yeah but they scaled back the RAM Jul 14 01:54:17 some t-mobile can cram their myTouch Jul 14 01:54:42 well i would like to get a rogers magic with the 288 of ram but i dont have $$$ for that... Jul 14 01:55:00 i prefer the hero device design compared to the my touch/magic Jul 14 01:55:13 well what i really want is the samsung i7500 Jul 14 01:55:32 jphines79, http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/16/huawei-u8230-android-phone-officially-launched-at-communicasia/ Jul 14 01:55:34 * KNY drools Jul 14 01:55:34 that is what the hero/magic/g1 should have been - 8gb onboard, 5mp camera with flash and a headphone jack Jul 14 01:55:39 Can anyone help me? Jul 14 01:55:44 This is a good time to invest in HTC stock Jul 14 01:56:04 that huawei is nice, looks a lot like an iphone... Jul 14 01:56:15 jphines79, looks a lot like awesome Jul 14 01:56:23 KNY lol....yep Jul 14 01:56:27 very nice.... Jul 14 01:56:32 bling! Jul 14 01:57:44 PM me if you can help, please. Jul 14 01:57:48 does it have 2 cameras Jul 14 01:58:59 who cares? Jul 14 02:01:06 anyone know why am getting this error trying to install ndk on x64 machinehttp://pastebin.org/1443 Jul 14 02:01:14 http://pastebin.org/1443 Jul 14 02:02:03 soooo.....any ION NBHs??? Jul 14 02:02:09 sorry i have a one track mind Jul 14 02:06:14 Jul 14 02:43:48 is there such a thing as a button with a transparent background? I'd like to have a "button" but use my own button graphics (it's basically a star that you click on or off) Jul 14 02:44:26 can't you just use a clickable imageview? Jul 14 02:44:43 Leeds: I dunno! I'll try, thanks :) Jul 14 02:46:46 Leeds: that's perfect, thank you!!! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 14 02:59:57 2009