**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 15 02:59:57 2009 Jul 15 03:00:25 hmm Jul 15 03:00:30 even WITH wiping Jul 15 03:00:33 my apps stayed Jul 15 03:00:37 oh well Jul 15 03:00:46 im guess that's a good thing Jul 15 03:00:50 MaceSol: they are almost identical in all aspects... its just some developer-level shit that's diff Jul 15 03:00:53 like kernel version Jul 15 03:01:01 that shit's above my head Jul 15 03:01:12 so i call it dev-lev Jul 15 03:02:36 tmzt: heat gun and eraser Jul 15 03:03:44 jpa--: then can't you just install a JF build? Jul 15 03:03:47 like for a G1? :) Jul 15 03:04:18 no clue Jul 15 03:04:19 heh Jul 15 03:04:34 have you loooked into any information on getting it to tether? Jul 15 03:04:48 should have gotten a g1 haha Jul 15 03:04:51 tried Jul 15 03:04:59 all i find in forums is a bunch of canadians with the same problem and no fix Jul 15 03:05:07 wouldn't have made a difference Jul 15 03:05:13 well. that sucks Jul 15 03:05:14 its because im in Canada.. on rogers Jul 15 03:05:21 i doubt it's a rogers thing Jul 15 03:05:24 they released different firmware than in the US (or UK, or anywhere else) Jul 15 03:05:27 you rooted te phone? Jul 15 03:05:31 different radio, spl Jul 15 03:05:31 yup Jul 15 03:05:44 and flashed the hero rom, which is supposed to be the "OMG IT SUPPORT TETHER" rom Jul 15 03:05:54 the radio and spl have nothing to do with network routing Jul 15 03:05:55 for the rogers victims Jul 15 03:05:55 heh Jul 15 03:05:56 updated SPL Jul 15 03:05:59 use a JF build Jul 15 03:06:14 the radio and SPL have to do with which roms you can get working.. which has entirely everything to do with network routing Jul 15 03:06:22 hey. i can honestly say that i just tapped the tether button and it just worked Jul 15 03:06:24 hah Jul 15 03:06:35 what SPL? Jul 15 03:06:48 err actually Jul 15 03:06:48 scratch that Jul 15 03:06:52 one question ive been NEEDING to get answered Jul 15 03:06:54 huh. Jul 15 03:07:01 once ive rooted and updated SPL Jul 15 03:07:02 warewolf: :) Jul 15 03:07:04 anyone know how to point the android emulator at a custom just-built system image? Jul 15 03:07:17 what is it i need to ensure in order to make sure a particular rom will work on my phone? Jul 15 03:07:19 just SPL and cupcake ver? Jul 15 03:07:30 err like Jul 15 03:07:30 so confused Jul 15 03:07:49 don't know to tell you the truth. i just flashed the JF build.. and installed the JF updater.. and stopped worrying Jul 15 03:07:59 hero is too slow on a g1 and is too immature Jul 15 03:08:11 and since tethering works i don't use my phone for any serious work :) Jul 15 03:08:24 yes but for some reason, people with Rogers phones have to be weary when following certain instructions written by someone in the US Jul 15 03:08:36 for example, there are entire threads on xda-developer forums and androidcommunity.com forums dedicated strictly to Rogers users Jul 15 03:08:38 jpa--: blame canada Jul 15 03:08:50 US devs making roms for us Rogers users, because all the american shit won't work for us Jul 15 03:08:51 well.. I wouldn't go following any instructions from a dream user for a start Jul 15 03:08:52 so far anyway Jul 15 03:09:03 i dont need to worry about that Jul 15 03:09:06 im all rooted, updated spl, and flashed Jul 15 03:09:12 just for some reason... wifi tether is still completely fail Jul 15 03:09:16 eitehr that or there is a giant group of canadians that have a misconception that rogers has something to do with it Jul 15 03:09:26 i just need to make sure i know what to watch for when flashing roms Jul 15 03:09:31 like.. how to make sure a rom will work on my phone Jul 15 03:09:33 aside from just trying it Jul 15 03:09:35 im super polished and lacquered (SPL) Jul 15 03:09:46 because noone has rebuilt the kernel for the magic yet I believe.. so wifi tether doesn't work. USB tether works just fine tho Jul 15 03:09:57 TommyBres: you mean to say you're Super Pansyish and Lactating ? Jul 15 03:10:01 AziLink offers usb tether Jul 15 03:10:14 jpa-- if you use nandroid to backup, it doesnt matter if the new rom works or not :P Jul 15 03:10:31 TommyBres: it does for me because i don't have an sd card reader (or any other phone in the house that takes SD) Jul 15 03:10:41 jpa your mom has super p lips :X Jul 15 03:10:48 so if i screw up my phone.. i ahve to wait til i get to work tomorrow and borrow a demo 371 Jul 15 03:10:49 e71 rather Jul 15 03:10:51 owwnnneeddd Jul 15 03:10:58 lol Jul 15 03:11:09 you dont need an sd card reader... Jul 15 03:11:20 just a usb cable for your g1 Jul 15 03:11:20 if my phone won't boot Jul 15 03:11:31 how am i going to replace the update.zip that's on my sdcard? Jul 15 03:11:32 if it wont boot you go to the bootloader Jul 15 03:11:42 and manually flash the nandroid backup Jul 15 03:11:48 ahhh true Jul 15 03:11:48 never done that before Jul 15 03:11:57 dont REALLY wanna bother Jul 15 03:11:57 eeeaaasssyyy Jul 15 03:12:07 just kinda wanna make sure i don't waste my time download a rom that won't work, first of all Jul 15 03:12:11 let alone flashing one that wont work Jul 15 03:12:31 Does anyone knows how to record audio with Android beagle board ? Jul 15 03:12:37 well theres a recovery image that has nandroid restore right on the phone Jul 15 03:12:58 jpa-- if its made for a dream it should work Jul 15 03:13:17 beyond that, theres no way to say "this is a defective image" unless you use it Jul 15 03:14:19 no not like "this is defective" Jul 15 03:14:28 but i mean... there ARE differences between american G1's Jul 15 03:14:32 ...why else wouldnt it work Jul 15 03:14:32 and even the Rogers HTC Dream Jul 15 03:14:39 the G1 and HTC Dream, are TECHNICALLY different phones Jul 15 03:14:44 yeah, but the images are interchangeable for all dreams Jul 15 03:14:55 .... Jul 15 03:14:55 you sure? Jul 15 03:14:57 rogers firmware runs on a t-mobile g1 Jul 15 03:14:58 cuz im 100% not Jul 15 03:15:03 squalus said he used it Jul 15 03:15:05 dude Jul 15 03:15:10 then why are there some rom releases that are like Jul 15 03:15:11 on his adp, actually Jul 15 03:15:13 nk02-Ion-signed.zip..... Jul 15 03:15:21 and then another nk02-ion-Rogers-signed.zip Jul 15 03:15:26 ion isnt a dream Jul 15 03:15:29 why differentiate if it don't matter? Jul 15 03:15:40 because its based on those images Jul 15 03:15:52 theres jf1.51adp, jf1.51us, jf1.51eu Jul 15 03:15:59 i can put all 3 on my phone Jul 15 03:16:18 what SPL? Jul 15 03:16:24 Anyone know the status of Tegra + Android? Jul 15 03:16:26 engineering bootloader Jul 15 03:16:30 came on my adp Jul 15 03:17:07 1.33.2005 ? Jul 15 03:17:14 i have no idea Jul 15 03:17:22 can you boot into fastboot and check? Jul 15 03:17:25 its the factory bootloader for adp's Jul 15 03:17:30 :P Jul 15 03:17:31 egh yeah sure Jul 15 03:17:32 ill check Jul 15 03:17:32 no clue what that means Jul 15 03:17:34 brb Jul 15 03:17:38 err Jul 15 03:17:39 nm then lol Jul 15 03:18:27 UBUNTU Jul 15 03:18:29 LOL Jul 15 03:18:32 oh shit was he on his phone? Jul 15 03:18:34 lol Jul 15 03:18:36 haha yeah Jul 15 03:19:14 bah im a jerk lol Jul 15 03:19:49 nahh Jul 15 03:19:51 k i dont understand people sometimes Jul 15 03:19:57 i get tired of people who are too nice lol Jul 15 03:20:00 why does anyone think they need 32gb storage in a fucking phone? Jul 15 03:20:11 ...they dont Jul 15 03:20:22 iphone 3gs 32gb Jul 15 03:20:23 nokia n97 Jul 15 03:20:26 internal 32gb Jul 15 03:20:28 so fucking stupid Jul 15 03:20:42 sry just ranting Jul 15 03:20:42 but wtf Jul 15 03:20:44 jpa do you use conpiz Jul 15 03:20:47 compiz Jul 15 03:21:19 0.95.3000 it says for the bootloader Jul 15 03:21:20 when i used to use ubuntu regularly yeah.. i JUST re-installed it this weekend and haven't had much time to get back into it Jul 15 03:21:29 k Jul 15 03:21:30 the other .22. number you gave is the radio Jul 15 03:21:43 mine's 1.33.2005 Jul 15 03:21:44 oh ok Jul 15 03:21:49 erm... considering that for many people, their phone is also a genuine PMP, 32GB is understandable Jul 15 03:21:54 HBOOT 1.33.2005 Jul 15 03:21:55 do u know how to get screens on the top and bottom of the cube Jul 15 03:22:01 leeds, pmp? Jul 15 03:22:02 anyone know of any good screen capture utilities for android? Jul 15 03:22:20 yeah jpa-- mine is hboot 0.95.3000 Jul 15 03:22:33 personal media player Jul 15 03:22:34 lasehopesinyouu: i remember figuring it out a while back.. but i also remember it being kinda confusing/tricky to figure out... i dont remember how Jul 15 03:22:41 Radix_: you mean to take screenshots? Jul 15 03:22:45 yeah Jul 15 03:22:47 leeds yeah, its mine, hence the 16 gig Jul 15 03:22:52 32 isnt available yet Jul 15 03:22:54 ddms is fail on my 64-bit win7 box here Jul 15 03:22:56 Radix_: isnt there a free app CALLED "Screenshot" Jul 15 03:22:57 ? Jul 15 03:23:03 not free anymore Jul 15 03:23:10 * TommyBres got it when it was free Jul 15 03:23:14 now $2.99 Jul 15 03:23:15 orly Jul 15 03:23:18 Radix_: then you fail... ddms works fine Jul 15 03:23:19 i saw it on droidappz Jul 15 03:23:19 yarly Jul 15 03:23:20 heh Jul 15 03:23:21 is there? I can't find anything when I search for 'screenshot' except hundreds of ahome links Jul 15 03:23:29 ....dont talk about piracy here Jul 15 03:23:40 mybad Jul 15 03:23:52 against freenode rules, even though leeds doesnt believe in following them Jul 15 03:24:00 haha Jul 15 03:24:01 either way Jul 15 03:24:01 mybad Jul 15 03:24:09 its all good :P Jul 15 03:24:30 leeds: it complains when I run it.. even when I followed the instructions on 'Android and Me' on how to get it working with 64-bit Jul 15 03:24:40 anyways yeah, as long as you have hardspl you should be able to flash any dream image, though some may require a wipe Jul 15 03:24:43 Radix_: windows fail Jul 15 03:24:45 23:39 E/ddms: shutting down due to uncaught exception Jul 15 03:24:45 23:39 E/ddms: java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: D:\Android\android-sdk-windows-1.5 Jul 15 03:24:45 _r2\tools\lib\swt-win32-3236.dll: Can't load IA 32-bit .dll on a AMD 64-bit plat Jul 15 03:24:45 form Jul 15 03:25:00 scuse the 4 line spam Jul 15 03:25:14 TommyBres: not sure what exactly "hardspl" means ? Jul 15 03:25:15 i had to update my spl Jul 15 03:25:18 omgz i cant see anymore, flooodddd Jul 15 03:25:26 from 1.33.0009 to 1.33.2005 Jul 15 03:25:26 lol Jul 15 03:25:34 engineering spl or something? Jul 15 03:25:34 *shrug* Jul 15 03:25:38 jpa-- if you followed a rooting procedure that got you a new spl youre all set Jul 15 03:25:51 yeah, engineering spl/engineering bootloader Jul 15 03:25:51 k yeah Jul 15 03:25:53 rooted and updated spl Jul 15 03:26:01 sooo you're SURE im safe to just flash away? Jul 15 03:26:11 i no longer have to stick to rogers-signed roms ? Jul 15 03:26:20 yar! make sure its for dreams :P Jul 15 03:26:23 lol Jul 15 03:26:56 k like Jul 15 03:26:58 im gonna flash a rom for iphone Jul 15 03:26:58 wtf Jul 15 03:27:02 lol Jul 15 03:27:07 what do you mean? what else could it before? Jul 15 03:27:08 :P Jul 15 03:27:18 jpa: I'd be real careful about installing shit that isn't for your PVT32A Magic Jul 15 03:27:29 bah Jul 15 03:27:31 conflicting information Jul 15 03:27:34 he has a magic?! Jul 15 03:27:37 WUT Jul 15 03:27:40 * jpa-- does a suicide Jul 15 03:27:48 a suicide? Jul 15 03:27:50 TommyBres: yeah.. stop corrupting him with dream shit Jul 15 03:27:50 A? Jul 15 03:27:55 this entire time ive been saying dreamdreamdream, all dreams are the same Jul 15 03:28:06 radix_ he didnt tell me he had a magic lol Jul 15 03:28:10 he's jumping at straws because he's desperate and clueless Jul 15 03:28:26 AakashPatel: yes, in my culture it's considering humorous to purposely garble ones grammar Jul 15 03:28:28 *considered Jul 15 03:28:35 haha Jul 15 03:28:44 magic im CLUELESS ABOUT, so jpa-- throw out all of the info i gave you Jul 15 03:28:45 sorry im high Jul 15 03:28:48 and kinda of assumed everyone knows i have a magic Jul 15 03:28:50 :P Jul 15 03:28:55 haha Jul 15 03:29:03 man i should be high too Jul 15 03:29:07 TommyBres: it's all good man, thanks for helping anyway.. sorry for wasting your time booting into fastboot :) Jul 15 03:29:18 atleast now you know what spl you have, so next time someone asks.... Jul 15 03:29:19 aakashpatel, start breaking it up, i'll fill the bong Jul 15 03:29:19 no reboot :) Jul 15 03:29:28 haha Jul 15 03:29:30 lol yay :) Jul 15 03:29:41 jpa: while the platforms and roms are similar.. the boot images and wlan drivers are not Jul 15 03:29:45 don't tell me you guys are all a bunch of potheads too Jul 15 03:29:52 ....lol Jul 15 03:29:59 go to #android-offtopic Jul 15 03:30:09 we dont wanna be bringin this stuff here :P Jul 15 03:30:11 Radix_: k wow, that's over my head.. so to avoid frustration for you... i think im over it Jul 15 03:30:14 you flash a dream/g1 rom on your magic and the first thing is it won't boot.. and if you know how to get past that you'll find wifi and possibly other stuff isn't going to work Jul 15 03:30:22 i wanted to try other roms. . but if im gonna eff some ess up Jul 15 03:30:22 eff it Jul 15 03:30:37 Radix_: so far wifi has never worked Jul 15 03:30:39 well wifi tethering anyway Jul 15 03:30:46 just be patient.. wait and someone will get wifi tethering working eventually Jul 15 03:30:48 haven't tried connecting to a wifi network.. im gonna try that tomorrow Jul 15 03:30:52 patience grasshopper Jul 15 03:30:53 so far 3g is PWN on my phone Jul 15 03:31:03 int he meantime.. use AziLink for usb tethering Jul 15 03:31:06 and my laptop :) Jul 15 03:31:07 <3 pdanet Jul 15 03:31:14 or pdanet Jul 15 03:31:21 alsp jpa-htc-magic, keep in mind the htc sense ui may become availavle for your phone soon Jul 15 03:31:25 yeah azilink was confusing for me Jul 15 03:31:32 or, "rosie" as they call it Jul 15 03:31:35 TommyBres: it already is :) Jul 15 03:31:36 and im running it w00t Jul 15 03:31:44 ohrly? Jul 15 03:31:47 err Jul 15 03:31:47 as far as i know anyway Jul 15 03:31:47 fatal1tys hero rom Jul 15 03:31:50 pretty sure that's a full rosie ui Jul 15 03:31:52 an official release from htc? Jul 15 03:31:54 all the htc widgets & what not Jul 15 03:31:56 nono Jul 15 03:31:59 hacked Jul 15 03:31:59 oh yeah, thats a port though Jul 15 03:32:08 there's gonna be an official release for the magic? Jul 15 03:32:08 wtf Jul 15 03:32:14 htc said sense could come to current android devices Jul 15 03:32:16 officially Jul 15 03:32:24 PWN.. should run way better than the port. Jul 15 03:32:34 and the port actually runs decently Jul 15 03:32:34 yup Jul 15 03:32:37 thats what we're hoping :) Jul 15 03:32:57 Radix_: so what build are you running now? Jul 15 03:33:11 I run hero 1.4, but the widgets/touchflo stuff is too laggy for me so I use the android home Jul 15 03:33:22 brb Jul 15 03:33:32 means I have htc peek, people, multitouch browser, etc.. but without the lag Jul 15 03:33:35 stable? Jul 15 03:33:50 long as you don't want bluetooth headset support Jul 15 03:34:01 ah, I do Jul 15 03:34:07 a2dp, anyway Jul 15 03:34:27 that's broken in all the hero releases so far... well.. receiving calls over bluetooth anyway.. music over bluetooth works fine Jul 15 03:34:35 i just realized, as more and more phones become available this room is going to be so confusing Jul 15 03:34:50 I listen to music on my stereo bluetooth headphones.. just can't answer calls using it Jul 15 03:35:10 i was just confused at no mention of a phone and theres only 2... imagine when there are 20 Jul 15 03:35:10 tommybres: yup.. it's not a one phone wonder anymore ;) Jul 15 03:35:24 heh yeah Jul 15 03:35:35 imagine how inferior we'll feel when people with that sony ericcson android start joining Jul 15 03:35:47 and right now i feel like a king for having a magic Jul 15 03:35:47 :( Jul 15 03:35:48 heh Jul 15 03:35:55 laughing at your big fat g1's Jul 15 03:36:09 i cant wait till moto shoves the proverbial pole down htc's throat like HUZZAH, thats how you make a phone! Jul 15 03:36:26 orly? Jul 15 03:36:27 moto android? Jul 15 03:36:28 ahhaha Jul 15 03:36:30 Sony Ericsson released an Android phone? Jul 15 03:36:35 not yet Jul 15 03:36:39 not to mention the weirdos running ports on unsupported devices Jul 15 03:36:41 afaik Jul 15 03:36:44 unless the video i saw was a fake Jul 15 03:36:59 its code named rachael, could be xperia x2 Jul 15 03:37:10 speculation/rumor of course Jul 15 03:37:13 the ui looks effing excellent Jul 15 03:37:21 oh i thought it was announced :( Jul 15 03:37:23 yup Jul 15 03:37:26 naw Jul 15 03:37:48 ok, its time to pack a bowl Jul 15 03:37:53 heavily leaked though Jul 15 03:37:55 pizza and soda is ready Jul 15 03:37:58 word Jul 15 03:38:00 oh yeah i forgot ot mention that Jul 15 03:38:18 i just smashed a bongrip for you guys Jul 15 03:38:31 nearly barfed coughing :( Jul 15 03:38:31 but cheers Jul 15 03:38:31 hahaha Jul 15 03:38:41 lol Jul 15 03:38:55 i smoke waaaaaaaaaaaayy too much :\ Jul 15 03:38:56 but meh Jul 15 03:38:56 lifes fun cuz of it Jul 15 03:38:56 :P Jul 15 03:39:54 whoever was just asking about the new sony ericcson android rumor thing.. check this: http://gizmodo.com/5310236/sony-ericssons-android-rachael-ui-makes-me-want-to-ditch-my-iphone Jul 15 03:40:13 (i think... its not loading in my browser right now cuz of lame slow tethering in lame badass weather) Jul 15 03:40:54 mmm this stuff smells so beautiful Jul 15 03:40:58 Looks very good - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtFRarsgnEM Jul 15 03:42:02 lol @ that guys last name Jul 15 03:42:05 brosnahan Jul 15 03:42:09 brb Jul 15 03:43:15 ya the stuff ive been grabbing lately is mad stinky Jul 15 03:43:20 but smells like fresh berries Jul 15 03:43:31 pretty sure its bluebery kush Jul 15 03:44:04 kback Jul 15 03:44:37 lol i need this double bagged and wrapped in 2 shirts so no one can spell it through my bag Jul 15 03:44:53 A dog will still be able to smell it. ;) Jul 15 03:45:00 haha yup same Jul 15 03:45:01 i had it in my pocket (they searched bags) at the museum of natural history Jul 15 03:45:29 you could smell it from like 5 feet away haha Jul 15 03:45:49 nice youtube link Jul 15 03:45:49 hahaha my roommate got sniffed out and searched by like 5 cops at a bus terminal in Toronto when he had JUST smoked a joint of this stuff Jul 15 03:45:58 luckily his last joint before a bus trip Jul 15 03:46:30 wow canada sucks Jul 15 03:46:49 yeah totally Jul 15 03:46:50 they've been cracking down Jul 15 03:47:05 then stop smoking Jul 15 03:47:12 i really have no problem walking around in public, even if people smell it most dont care enough Jul 15 03:47:32 haha eff that Jul 15 03:47:32 same Jul 15 03:47:34 im in montreal Jul 15 03:47:47 twois10: they're drug-addled junkies - they can't stop! Jul 15 03:47:52 lol Jul 15 03:47:53 granted cops will beat you down or shoot you in the metro for being black Jul 15 03:47:59 but if you're white, just walking around smoking weed Jul 15 03:48:06 i gave up weel back in 2002 Jul 15 03:48:06 you're an innocent civilian to them Jul 15 03:48:10 weed* Jul 15 03:48:14 as long as you're not being a total douche, obviously Jul 15 03:48:15 they shoot Brazilians in London... Jul 15 03:48:17 yeah ive heard if youre white mtl cops dont stop you Jul 15 03:48:26 jpa-htc-magic: TommyBres's in trouble then Jul 15 03:48:29 for the most part Jul 15 03:48:33 if mean if you're white and look homeless, yes Jul 15 03:48:37 rofl leeds Jul 15 03:48:39 What if you're black, but are heard speaking excellent French? Jul 15 03:48:51 but if you look like you carry some class, and don't act like a douche in public Jul 15 03:48:52 you're left alone Jul 15 03:48:57 GiantTalkingCow: doesn't that make you Algerian and therefore a terrorist? Jul 15 03:49:04 gianttalkingcow: you dont exist Jul 15 03:49:07 nope Jul 15 03:49:08 you can walk around here carrying an open bottle of liquor, obviously sipping at it.. but if it's in a brown bag - Jul 15 03:49:09 no one says boo Jul 15 03:49:09 rofl, burnnnnn Jul 15 03:49:21 many african countries speak french Jul 15 03:49:35 And what's more, Algerians aren't black. Jul 15 03:49:36 i speak afrikanz Jul 15 03:49:37 yup Jul 15 03:49:44 mainly west africa Jul 15 03:49:46 and there are TONS of colors in montreal Jul 15 03:49:49 it's a super multi-cultural city Jul 15 03:49:51 They're Arab, Berber and a few other things. Jul 15 03:49:58 algerians are like assyrians no? Jul 15 03:50:05 GiantTalkingCow: like a rug? Jul 15 03:50:10 but as we all know.. where there's multi-culturalism.. there is racism Jul 15 03:50:12 and racism cops Jul 15 03:50:28 heh Jul 15 03:50:34 I wish we had racism cops. Here we just have racist ones :) Jul 15 03:50:38 GiantTalkingCow: you think yankee cops can tell the difference? Jul 15 03:50:49 hahaha Jul 15 03:50:51 KNY: plenty of racist cops here - but fortunately they're pro-white :) Jul 15 03:51:00 Leeds: I don't think any cop I've ever encountered can. Jul 15 03:51:17 dont put leeds in any law enforcement position, he doesnt like enforcing rules Jul 15 03:51:18 GiantTalkingCow: I suspect an Algerian cop could Jul 15 03:51:36 hahaha Jul 15 03:51:44 well played, Leeds Jul 15 03:51:56 kny you missed it a while ago lol Jul 15 03:52:11 Not necessarily. Berbers pretty much look European, so if you get a Berber dressed in generic clothes speaking Paris-accented French... Jul 15 03:52:18 i only have 16 MB of swap used Jul 15 03:52:23 he kept telling me how i shouldnt worry if kids wanna talk about piracy, we all know how to do it anyways Jul 15 03:52:24 how do i use all of it's 32 mb? Jul 15 03:52:33 even though freenode rules forbid it Jul 15 03:52:42 Lieu10ant: erm... do you know how swap works? Jul 15 03:52:46 onpe Jul 15 03:52:47 nope Jul 15 03:53:19 lieu10ant it takes memory only as it needs it i think Jul 15 03:53:28 Lieu10ant: i think the system determines how much swap is used Jul 15 03:53:33 it is by demand Jul 15 03:53:39 yeah, exactly Jul 15 03:53:45 well it needs to take more, cause i still see the "HTC" and the "loading..." screen Jul 15 03:54:15 lol it might not be the memory restricting it Jul 15 03:54:16 lmao Jul 15 03:54:28 on my last hero JACH2.22 (i'm on 2.63 now), i had 32 used, and NEVER once saw the "HTC" or the "loading..." screen when going to the home screen Jul 15 03:54:56 maybe i just need to use it a little more Jul 15 03:54:59 hm Jul 15 03:55:43 Lieu10ant: again the system determines how much it needs and hence pulls it Jul 15 03:55:52 has anyone here tried both the Fatal1ty Hero rom and the JACHero ? Jul 15 03:56:18 dude im so gone Jul 15 03:56:58 drunk? Jul 15 03:57:04 no Jul 15 03:57:06 he is lifted Jul 15 03:57:29 indeed Jul 15 03:57:49 TommyBres: how are the trees where you are Jul 15 03:58:02 amazing Jul 15 03:58:06 lol Jul 15 03:58:24 you can climb very high huh...> Jul 15 03:58:27 and my friend just started growing, so it should get more amazing in a month or 2 Jul 15 03:58:45 haha yes, many sturdy branches all the way up the trees Jul 15 03:58:58 i can get pretty close to the top with minimal effort Jul 15 03:59:33 i used to be very good at math until i found trees Jul 15 03:59:38 lol Jul 15 03:59:50 at least i made it pass calc 3 and diffq Jul 15 03:59:55 haha im still really good at math Jul 15 04:02:00 i may dabble into wood again if it were legal Jul 15 04:02:19 thats part of the reason i may be westbound Jul 15 04:02:37 You know Jesse Ventura moved to Mexico Jul 15 04:02:46 lol thats extreme Jul 15 04:02:54 the former governor of Minnesoty Jul 15 04:02:56 cali's good enough for me Jul 15 04:03:00 Minnesota Jul 15 04:03:10 yeah Jul 15 04:03:56 only if it were legal in Utah Jul 15 04:04:04 LOL utah Jul 15 04:04:13 am not in Utah Jul 15 04:04:21 utah ftl Jul 15 04:04:34 i was about to say Jul 15 04:04:35 i was about to say Jul 15 04:04:35 jeez Jul 15 04:04:38 i was about to say Jul 15 04:04:38 jeez Jul 15 04:04:38 you live in utah and you know what irc is? Jul 15 04:04:43 when am ready to get married, am moving to Utah Jul 15 04:04:51 haha im from nyc Jul 15 04:05:01 utawwww Jul 15 04:05:06 orly? nice Jul 15 04:05:08 what a waste of good land Jul 15 04:05:18 You can have more than one wife there Jul 15 04:05:20 Neww Yo'k Jul 15 04:05:27 nah Utah makes a perfect toilet Jul 15 04:05:34 who would want more than one nagging cunt? Jul 15 04:05:38 id rather have a real state and 1 wife and 3 mistresses Jul 15 04:05:50 yeah thats what it is Jul 15 04:05:51 who needs 4 nagging wives? Jul 15 04:06:10 because you cant marry more than one wife as states US law Jul 15 04:06:11 jpa you beat me, i cant type fast on my phone Jul 15 04:06:17 haha sry Jul 15 04:06:23 :P Jul 15 04:06:48 i think its time for a slice of pizza and a soda Jul 15 04:06:50 If men had options to marry multiple wives, they wont cheat Jul 15 04:06:57 munchies are gonna make me fat Jul 15 04:07:51 I remember when I was like, 12 Jul 15 04:07:53 living in Minnesota Jul 15 04:07:59 * Leeds is researching places for breakfast in Paris Jul 15 04:08:06 my father voted for jesse and I called him an idiot to his face Jul 15 04:08:09 got grounded for a week... Jul 15 04:08:28 kback Jul 15 04:08:34 lol Jul 15 04:08:34 jpa-htc-magic: not sure that language is necessary or appropriate Jul 15 04:08:35 sorry but when a 12 year old is better at politics than a 40 year old, something is wrong. Jul 15 04:08:53 owned Jul 15 04:08:53 why do you hate Ventura Jul 15 04:09:06 Sorry but I'm not a fan of celebs running my state. Jul 15 04:09:16 The ONLY reason they win is because they are popular. Jul 15 04:09:58 It's completely idiotic. The person who runs our states/countries should NOT be the cast of american idol. Jul 15 04:10:42 Ronald Reagan was celebutant, and he ran the country Jul 15 04:10:43 Leeds: what? Jul 15 04:10:48 reagan was a horrible president Jul 15 04:10:51 now he is a hero to the right Jul 15 04:10:57 What Tommy said. Jul 15 04:11:14 I'm willing to bet the only reason Obama won is because of his race. Jul 15 04:11:14 i was typing it before i saw him mention reagan Jul 15 04:11:21 false Jul 15 04:11:29 I mean, I love Obama and voted for him Jul 15 04:11:36 but I very highly doubt he would have won if he was white. Jul 15 04:11:40 it was a close-to-even vote even for whitesd Jul 15 04:11:48 57/43 or something? Jul 15 04:12:17 Gary|tp: obama won because he was a better candidate Jul 15 04:12:25 true that Jul 15 04:12:26 because of his race, are you blind Jul 15 04:12:31 jpa-htc-magic: "who would want more than one nagging cunt?" is not appropriate Jul 15 04:12:42 if black was the reason al sharpton 4 prez a few years ago Jul 15 04:12:50 lmao Jul 15 04:13:08 and besides Obama is not black Jul 15 04:13:41 yeah he is... Jul 15 04:13:42 twois10: he's just heavily tanned ? Jul 15 04:13:46 by all account Obama is white Jul 15 04:13:51 Leeds: is the current conversation appropriate? Jul 15 04:13:51 dad fob from africa = black Jul 15 04:13:59 his mom is white Jul 15 04:14:04 so how is he black Jul 15 04:14:08 so he's halfrican Jul 15 04:14:12 jpa-htc-magic: no, it isn't - but it's also not outright offensive Jul 15 04:14:13 milano Jul 15 04:14:16 oreo Jul 15 04:14:36 Leeds: some would argue that.. but i won't since you're an op.. i digress and ill watch my mouth Jul 15 04:14:57 brb Jul 15 04:14:58 Do you know why they call mixed children black? Jul 15 04:15:09 ... Jul 15 04:15:11 [22:14:00] by all account Obama is white Jul 15 04:15:15 Are you an idiot? Jul 15 04:15:24 Just because his mother is white doesn't mean he's white. Jul 15 04:15:30 derek jeter is half black but i consider him white Jul 15 04:15:34 Gary|tp: you are for saying he is black Jul 15 04:15:57 http://www.treehugger.com/barack-obama-for-president.jpg Jul 15 04:16:02 Please to tell me how that is white. Jul 15 04:16:16 tell me how is black if his mom is white Jul 15 04:16:22 explain Jul 15 04:16:26 wait Jul 15 04:16:26 Look at the picture. Jul 15 04:16:27 wait Jul 15 04:16:31 let me get the pop corn Jul 15 04:16:53 heres your problem Jul 15 04:17:08 youre not realizing black is a race, not a nationality Jul 15 04:17:19 So, say two Caucasians have a baby. A genetic mutation occurs that makes the baby's skin pigments black. Jul 15 04:17:25 he has dark skin and grew up that way, he is black Jul 15 04:17:28 Genetically and visually he is black. Jul 15 04:17:33 Would you still call him white? Jul 15 04:17:42 if he's african or not, id say hes mixed Jul 15 04:18:00 anyways im done with this conversation lol Jul 15 04:18:07 i am not dealing with hypothesis, but facts Jul 15 04:18:14 tell me how is black Jul 15 04:18:21 Agreed. Politics also violates Freenode's terms of use. Jul 15 04:18:23 his mother is white Jul 15 04:18:34 <`vip> His mother is white, his father is black ... he's mixed Jul 15 04:18:40 he is black because my eyes tell me so Jul 15 04:18:45 <`vip> But HE considers himself black Jul 15 04:18:53 this is getting a bit much now Jul 15 04:18:56 * twois10 gives `vip a round of applauds Jul 15 04:19:15 applause? lol Jul 15 04:19:39 <`vip> I have friends that are mixed, some consider themselves to be blacks, then some consider themselves to be white Jul 15 04:19:46 <`vip> It's a preference I guess Jul 15 04:20:02 okay folks, one minute to wrap this up Jul 15 04:20:12 <`vip> I'm through, haha just got in Jul 15 04:20:15 <`vip> And noticed the convo Jul 15 04:20:16 <`vip> :P Jul 15 04:20:20 * TommyBres farts as his closing statement Jul 15 04:20:25 Gary|tp: you still didnt answer, do you know why mixed kids are called black? Jul 15 04:20:33 <`vip> Just got done setting up Eclipse Jul 15 04:20:35 ok we continue later Jul 15 04:20:37 <`vip> =) Jul 15 04:20:46 [22:18:34] Agreed. Politics also violates Freenode's terms of use. Jul 15 04:20:47 never continue Jul 15 04:21:05 gary is that so? Jul 15 04:21:10 no, it has nothing to do with politics but rather history Jul 15 04:21:13 Yes, it's clearly stated. Jul 15 04:21:24 i wonder why i cant just make a politics channel, that stinks Jul 15 04:21:52 TommyBres: go to #freenode and ask them Jul 15 04:22:00 anyway, done here now Jul 15 04:22:03 hey guys, speed /responsiveness/ resources wise what would be the most appropriate ROM to run on an HTC Magic ? Jul 15 04:22:03 "Unlawful activities and their related support activities are considered off-topic.....political, racial, ethnic,...." Jul 15 04:22:12 <`vip> Haha yeah, if you tried to join #politics, you get fowarded to ##namespace Jul 15 04:22:30 There were numerous political channels, all were closed by staff. Jul 15 04:22:42 twois10, ethnicity also violates the ToU. Jul 15 04:22:54 amason_: up until tonight i would've said fatal1tys hero rom.. but now that ive installed a bunch of apps.. i see what people are talking about with sluggish/lagginess Jul 15 04:22:54 amason: which htc magic? Jul 15 04:23:11 i'm ethnic Jul 15 04:23:19 TommyBres, reporting you brb. Jul 15 04:23:30 lololol Jul 15 04:23:40 jpa-htc-magic: what were your running previously ? Jul 15 04:23:41 amason: and what happened to your iphone? ;) Jul 15 04:23:51 Radix_: my iPhone ? Jul 15 04:23:56 amazon: ION Jul 15 04:23:56 Gary|tp: you have to understand history to know why mixed kids are called black, but anycase, hope we can still talk android Jul 15 04:24:10 Radix_: i never had an Iphone. Jul 15 04:24:22 ownt Jul 15 04:24:34 amason: oh.. my bad. Thought you were an andrew mason I know. Jul 15 04:25:09 i love that the new cyanogen supports exchange Jul 15 04:25:17 ohya Jul 15 04:25:19 Radix_: I live in Adelaide if that helps. But yeh , no iphone here Jul 15 04:25:24 is there a fat23 filesystem? Jul 15 04:25:26 i use exchange all the time Jul 15 04:25:30 twois10, the blatantly obvious reason is because of slavery, and mixed children were still the children of African Americans, therefore treated that way. Jul 15 04:25:34 hrmm Jul 15 04:25:36 fat23? 32? er wut Jul 15 04:25:54 Yet when you look at a mixed kid, you don't think "white", you think "black". Therefore, the majority (EVEN HIMSELF) think Obama is black. Jul 15 04:26:04 hm Jul 15 04:26:08 I am not an idiot, please don't treat me as such. Jul 15 04:26:09 amason: np, one i know lives in perth ;) So.. which HTC Magic do you have.. pvt32a or pvt32b? or htc magic from three or voda magic? Jul 15 04:26:13 gary, im half irish and half irish, so am i just a potato? Jul 15 04:26:15 no vpn client for android huh? Jul 15 04:26:20 * MaceSol grins Jul 15 04:26:24 TommyBres, no you are just a drunk, try again. Jul 15 04:26:25 Radix_: the one from 3. Jul 15 04:26:34 Radix_: has more RAM afaik Jul 15 04:26:34 high Jul 15 04:26:34 Gary|tp: i really want to get off this top, does marriah carey (not the porn star) looks black Jul 15 04:26:37 ? Jul 15 04:26:40 not drunk Jul 15 04:26:47 twois10: no Jul 15 04:26:51 macesol theres a vpn client Jul 15 04:26:55 she looks hispanic Jul 15 04:26:57 You'll have to give me a pic, I don't follow actors at all. Jul 15 04:27:00 yup, you have PVT32A then - same as me Jul 15 04:27:05 TommyBres: is there? Jul 15 04:27:15 didnt see one on the market Jul 15 04:27:26 i thought i did... h/o Jul 15 04:27:38 sup everyone Jul 15 04:27:50 vpn over the tether works great Jul 15 04:27:59 some one is #suse was compaling he cant read his fat23 Jul 15 04:28:06 complaining Jul 15 04:28:15 had to jump through hoops with comcast to get my modem bridged Jul 15 04:28:28 amason: So you're running cupcake atm I guess.. that's the fastest rom atm really - only thing you may want to do is look at a rooted cupcake build, but only if you need it Jul 15 04:28:32 twois10, she does look partially black, but probably has more Caucasian genes in her. Jul 15 04:28:35 :) and the last part was my fault heh Jul 15 04:28:45 Gary|tp: she looks hispanic Jul 15 04:28:55 puerto rican almost Jul 15 04:29:06 Radix_: i have the default ROM on it at the moment. It's ok i guess but when i type su it gives me access denied. So that needs to be fixed :) Jul 15 04:29:06 hmm maybe not Jul 15 04:29:09 which is nothing more than mixed Jul 15 04:29:15 hmm... race conversation over *now* Jul 15 04:29:15 Gary|tp: have you heard of the "one drop rule" Jul 15 04:29:26 ok Jul 15 04:29:26 Leeds: no? Jul 15 04:29:29 heh Jul 15 04:29:31 Radix_: but i don't want to run the Hero rom as apparently its slower on this phone Jul 15 04:29:35 yes Jul 15 04:30:01 maybe theyll officially release sense for magic this month Jul 15 04:30:16 Any of you guys hear about the outcome of last weeks NASCAR race? Jul 15 04:30:37 that was harsh :) Jul 15 04:30:37 TommyBres: you might be able to help me on this - will MyTouch3g roms work just fine on my Magic when i get it? Jul 15 04:30:38 yeah, a redneck won and there was beer consumed? Jul 15 04:30:40 i dont follow nascar Jul 15 04:30:46 i just got here lol Jul 15 04:31:03 jpa ive never touched a magic, so i dont even want to guess Jul 15 04:31:12 I do enjoy football (not handegg) Jul 15 04:31:16 i dont see why not, but i dunno ish about magics Jul 15 04:31:21 haha k i thought your knowledge of spl vs roms might translate Jul 15 04:31:23 MaceSol: nothing personal, but the conversation had been ended Jul 15 04:31:28 MaceSol, when an OP tells you to drop something you drop it. or you make smart ass comments like me, cause I <3 Leeds. Jul 15 04:31:35 football = soccer = awesome Jul 15 04:31:46 jpa-htc-magic as long as your magic is rootable...they mytouch is not at this point Jul 15 04:32:08 * TommyBres would do bree olson Jul 15 04:32:09 So 10 more days till Hero launch, right? Jul 15 04:32:10 handegg = rugby with pads Jul 15 04:32:10 oh ouch Jul 15 04:32:20 jpa-htc-magic let me correct, if you can use fastboot on your magic successfully then yes Jul 15 04:32:26 twois not even close lol Jul 15 04:32:27 [22:32:21] * TommyBres would do anything Jul 15 04:32:28 fixed. Jul 15 04:32:39 lol false! Jul 15 04:32:49 i turned down your sister the other night Jul 15 04:33:09 My sister is 400 lbs and a christianity freak. Jul 15 04:33:11 Congrats. Jul 15 04:33:25 exactly, so i wont do ANYTHING Jul 15 04:33:45 [22:32:21] * TommyBres would do anything above 400lbs Jul 15 04:33:46 Radix: i just want to clarify once again (sorry.. im a paranoid burnout).. if ive rooted my magic, and updated spl 1.33.2005.. im safe to flash roms that aren't Rogers-signed ? Jul 15 04:33:46 Fixed? Jul 15 04:33:54 noooo Jul 15 04:33:57 or should I still stick to roms ported specifically to htc magic? i dont get it :\ Jul 15 04:33:59 wrong way Jul 15 04:34:04 i like big wowem Jul 15 04:34:10 women Jul 15 04:34:19 congrats, me too Jul 15 04:34:24 more cushion fo the pusshing Jul 15 04:34:24 I'm still wondering if I should get the Hero. Jul 15 04:34:27 ....just kidding, gross Jul 15 04:34:32 Or wait till a Tegra powered android device comes along <3 Jul 15 04:34:33 big women are so hot naked Jul 15 04:34:35 gary, yes Jul 15 04:34:46 the hero is gonna be sick Jul 15 04:34:47 Hero looks nice but Tegra makes me wet. Jul 15 04:35:07 cool Jul 15 04:35:14 I prefer the Hero design to my touch Jul 15 04:35:34 i dont like either, i want a moto Jul 15 04:35:37 They said that the first Tegra devices would be launched mid 2009, so it should be here soon hopefully. Jul 15 04:35:46 hey Jul 15 04:35:53 on my sd card, whats in that ime folder Jul 15 04:36:03 Keyboard dictionary probably. Jul 15 04:36:05 tehres a tudb.dat file Jul 15 04:36:05 amason: if you want a rooted cupcake build, check out daldroid's rom on xda-dev Jul 15 04:36:06 okay Jul 15 04:36:15 so im gonna copy that Jul 15 04:36:16 I'm not positive but that was my best guess. Jul 15 04:36:33 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=523680 Jul 15 04:37:08 I guess the main reason I won't get a Hero is lack of root. Jul 15 04:37:10 jpa-htc-magic: no, rooting and spl give you no safety whatsoever when flashing roms - you need one that is compatible with your phone Jul 15 04:37:40 why can't they just give everyone root? Jul 15 04:37:50 gary, itll get rooted Jul 15 04:37:51 you can't handle the root! Jul 15 04:37:57 lol^ Jul 15 04:37:59 Radix_, as long as the ROMs don't touch your recovery/SPL/radio, they should be safe. Jul 15 04:38:06 and have a "you fuck it up, ur screwed" policy Jul 15 04:38:26 Lieu10ant, little things called wifi-tether. Jul 15 04:38:28 Gary|tp: sure, but no point if you can't even boot Jul 15 04:38:51 i'll boot you in the nose :P Jul 15 04:39:01 Radix_, the SPL should boot no matter what? Jul 15 04:39:16 not being able to boot >>> not being able to power up the phone at all (i.e. bricked) Jul 15 04:39:17 Gary|tp: There are two different versions of Magic - they have different boot images Jul 15 04:39:28 Ahh. Jul 15 04:39:36 you put one on your magic that it isn't meant for and it won't boot. Simple Jul 15 04:40:19 do you believe in magic Jul 15 04:40:35 JesusFreke, well, both will be fixed once someone figures out JTAG flashing ;). Jul 15 04:40:36 I believe in dreams Jul 15 04:40:54 i believe in motorobotos Jul 15 04:41:19 hello moto and the android dude look like theyre made for each other Jul 15 04:41:32 I was informed of the method of unbricking PSP's before it was announced, so I picked up very cheap $40 PSPs on ebay, repaired em, and resold :). Jul 15 04:42:22 $400? Jul 15 04:42:28 i thought they were cheap Jul 15 04:42:34 oh nvm, 40 Jul 15 04:42:48 tired >.< Jul 15 04:42:54 is windows ce the stuff they put on phones? Jul 15 04:43:20 sure Jul 15 04:43:22 i know it supports arm but ive honestly never used it Jul 15 04:43:35 does ce p windows mob? Jul 15 04:43:37 hi Jul 15 04:43:39 = Jul 15 04:43:50 p = = Jul 15 04:43:50 i dont have an android but need to ask some questions about it Jul 15 04:44:01 ok, ask away Jul 15 04:44:06 does it support any mail providers besides gmail ? Jul 15 04:44:15 yes Jul 15 04:44:19 which ones Jul 15 04:44:22 imap, pop3, exchange Jul 15 04:44:24 imap/pop3, no exchange Jul 15 04:44:30 huh Jul 15 04:44:34 err Jul 15 04:44:38 one person says it does support exchange Jul 15 04:44:40 exchange support varies per phone Jul 15 04:44:41 <`vip> Exchange is supported according to pictures on tmonews.com Jul 15 04:44:42 radix_ not by default is it supportes Jul 15 04:44:47 supported Jul 15 04:44:50 if you get a htc magic - it does out of the box Jul 15 04:44:57 new mail app supports exchange and can be pushed Jul 15 04:45:01 my dad wants to get a G1 Jul 15 04:45:03 if you get a google branded magic it doesn Jul 15 04:45:04 t Jul 15 04:45:06 which new one Jul 15 04:45:11 nexvision Jul 15 04:45:18 does that support exchange Jul 15 04:45:29 <`vip> Not default Jul 15 04:45:29 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=536727 Jul 15 04:45:37 <`vip> Think there is some 3rd party apps that make it happen Jul 15 04:45:37 exchange mail Jul 15 04:45:38 vip can it be enabled Jul 15 04:45:39 only unlocked htc magics support exchange Jul 15 04:45:59 devslash you can get a modified image or just use an app Jul 15 04:46:06 <`vip> Http://www.tmonews.com/2009/07/exchange-support-for-mytouch/ Jul 15 04:46:15 are they paid apps or free Jul 15 04:46:24 paid Jul 15 04:46:27 ok Jul 15 04:46:30 $25 i think Jul 15 04:46:32 how much do they usually run Jul 15 04:46:37 wow are you serious ? Jul 15 04:46:39 thats a lot Jul 15 04:46:44 or just use the above link and get it free Jul 15 04:46:51 theres only 1 exchange app i know of, called touchdown Jul 15 04:47:16 radix, thats for mytouch, not current android phones Jul 15 04:47:23 so who cares Jul 15 04:47:25 it's in the dream forum Jul 15 04:47:32 err Jul 15 04:47:40 and the guy said 'Pushed to my G1- works perfectly' Jul 15 04:47:42 oh nvm Jul 15 04:47:49 does yahoo use imap or do they still only do pop Jul 15 04:47:49 i need to get off Jul 15 04:47:52 i was looking at vips post Jul 15 04:47:59 i mean get of freenode Jul 15 04:48:00 there are 2 links up there Jul 15 04:48:23 later guys, long day ahead tomorrow Jul 15 04:48:28 later Jul 15 04:48:45 take it easy on the trees TommyBres Jul 15 04:48:47 theres a bunch tommy Jul 15 04:48:51 roadsync Jul 15 04:48:54 moxier Jul 15 04:48:56 touchdown Jul 15 04:48:58 hmm Jul 15 04:49:03 and another Jul 15 04:49:09 TommyBres: are you referring to the link to the xda developers forum Jul 15 04:49:19 now the mail.apk Jul 15 04:49:22 no, the other lol Jul 15 04:49:22 for email only Jul 15 04:49:40 * TommyBres dont need no exchange Jul 15 04:49:48 i use gmail :) Jul 15 04:49:52 devslash: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=536727 Jul 15 04:49:54 TommyBres: this ? Http://www.tmonews.com/2009/07/exchange-support-for-mytouch/ Jul 15 04:49:59 yeah Jul 15 04:50:14 theres no app there Jul 15 04:50:21 there is if you log in Jul 15 04:50:41 exchange is real nice since i use multiple devices and computers Jul 15 04:50:52 gmail just doesnt cut it for me Jul 15 04:50:52 o Jul 15 04:50:58 radix ok Jul 15 04:51:09 does yahoo use imap or do they still only do pop Jul 15 04:51:15 As I said before tho.. I have exchange support out of the box. I have both gmail and exchange configured and in use on my HTC Magic Jul 15 04:51:16 i know Jul 15 04:51:46 You don't get exchange support on the google branded HTC Magics tho Jul 15 04:51:55 right Jul 15 04:52:06 or any other android phone Jul 15 04:53:11 hi all Jul 15 04:53:17 hi Jul 15 04:53:21 Radix_: cupcake thanks i'll look into that. Jul 15 04:53:21 hi bro Jul 15 04:53:42 amason: you have cupcake already I bet Jul 15 04:53:44 anyone know anything about twtelecom.net Jul 15 04:53:46 Radix_: cupcake is 1.5 ? Jul 15 04:53:50 amason: yup Jul 15 04:54:09 so hero is an newer version than this ? Jul 15 04:54:13 amason: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=523680 is a nice rom with rooted shell Jul 15 04:54:27 hero is a tottally different phone Jul 15 04:54:33 they just took the firmware off it Jul 15 04:54:37 i see Jul 15 04:54:48 it's still pretty bleeding edge Jul 15 04:55:01 so how easy is it to brick these phones ? Jul 15 04:55:02 yep Jul 15 04:55:08 lol Jul 15 04:55:16 rooting is farly easy Jul 15 04:55:32 but the phones are def brickable Jul 15 04:55:33 amason: unless you flash an SPL or Radio you're fairly safe really Jul 15 04:55:58 for the ignorant (me) what is an SPL / Radio ? Jul 15 04:55:59 To root you have to flash the spl Jul 15 04:56:12 Regarding Hero bluetooth is broken.. and it's laggier if you use the new Sense UI/TouchFlo stuff - but it's nice otherwise Jul 15 04:56:21 Refuge: no, stop spreading fud Jul 15 04:56:33 Refuge: DREAM users need to flash spl Jul 15 04:56:48 i had to flash Jul 15 04:56:51 Refuge: Magic users have no requirement to flash SPL Jul 15 04:56:52 on my android Jul 15 04:56:57 ohh Jul 15 04:56:58 magic Jul 15 04:57:00 i'm sorry Jul 15 04:57:25 ok so i can install one of these ROM's without flashing the SPL / Radio ? Jul 15 04:57:30 on my HTC Magic ? Jul 15 04:57:40 amason: yes Jul 15 04:58:06 how nice are the magic phones? Jul 15 04:58:10 ok cool . i don't like the restrictions but on the other hand i still need to actually use my phone as a phone Jul 15 04:58:11 compared to g1 Jul 15 04:58:24 so i really don't want to brick it ....yet Jul 15 04:58:26 I've never used a g1, but I love my Magic Jul 15 04:58:41 i do like the magic also Jul 15 04:58:47 amason_: unless you really need root, you're better off waiting Jul 15 04:59:03 have they released cupcake on the magic ? Jul 15 04:59:04 yet Jul 15 04:59:07 on ota Jul 15 04:59:13 Radix_: i would like to ssh into it :) but i don't "NEED" it Jul 15 04:59:16 Refuge: Magic came with cupcake out of the box Jul 15 04:59:24 ohh ok Jul 15 04:59:25 nice Jul 15 04:59:29 so it's a newer phone Jul 15 04:59:30 i shall wait Jul 15 04:59:39 Refuge: Magic came out in May this year Jul 15 04:59:49 hero coming soon Jul 15 04:59:50 oh is tethering possible ? Jul 15 04:59:59 nup Jul 15 05:00:06 look at the i7500 samsung galaxy Jul 15 05:00:08 not wifi anyway.. usb tethering works Jul 15 05:00:09 man i like my g1 cause i can tether Jul 15 05:00:20 sickkk phone but a little lacking in ram Jul 15 05:00:33 g1 can usb wifi and blu Jul 15 05:00:39 TommyBres: yeah.. samsung has same amount of ram as g1 Jul 15 05:00:40 rooted Jul 15 05:00:44 no Jul 15 05:00:48 has 128mb ram Jul 15 05:00:49 TommyBres: yes Jul 15 05:00:52 dream has 192 Jul 15 05:01:03 what's the specs on the g1? Jul 15 05:01:07 as far as ram Jul 15 05:01:09 192 ram Jul 15 05:01:18 and 256 rom Jul 15 05:01:18 oh Jul 15 05:01:24 hmm? Jul 15 05:01:31 that samsung has 128 ram and 8gb rom Jul 15 05:01:32 TommyBres: I spoke to a guy with a samsung galaxy in his hands.. he ran cat /proc/meminfo and confirmed that it also has 98MB free ram available to OS - same as Dream/crippled Magics Jul 15 05:01:58 damn i wish the g1 came with more mem 1 gb Jul 15 05:01:58 radix_ maybe same available because less goes to video? Jul 15 05:01:59 is a joke Jul 15 05:02:21 I suspect so, it has a proper gpu or something I believe Jul 15 05:02:25 the fact is, the phone is hampered in some way with 64mb less ram Jul 15 05:03:06 my friend has the iphone and i'm empressed with the visual aspects of it Jul 15 05:03:11 i wish they could combine the two Jul 15 05:03:14 dur, its iphone Jul 15 05:03:20 lol Jul 15 05:03:22 its meant for women Jul 15 05:03:28 haha Jul 15 05:03:29 i hate apple they play big brother Jul 15 05:03:34 hhahahah Jul 15 05:03:35 women have smaller brains, so its dumbed down Jul 15 05:03:44 hehe Jul 15 05:04:07 :) Jul 15 05:04:15 you know i agree i got my girl a g1 lol and she wanted a iphone said it was to hard Jul 15 05:04:16 to use Jul 15 05:04:16 I thought it was for people who could only handle 1 mouse button Jul 15 05:04:17 haha Jul 15 05:04:34 lol my gf loves iphone Jul 15 05:04:46 yah Jul 15 05:04:49 my sister needs a mac, too dumb for windows Jul 15 05:04:54 lol Jul 15 05:04:56 my roommate is in looove with mac Jul 15 05:04:57 macs are nice Jul 15 05:05:04 for printing Jul 15 05:05:07 and images Jul 15 05:05:09 so <3's his iphone and imac Jul 15 05:05:20 egophone, egoputer Jul 15 05:05:22 on the mac she said the nicest feature was how uninstalling programs was just dragging 1 icon to the trash Jul 15 05:05:36 hmm... apparently there's an official GV app coming Jul 15 05:05:37 yeah Jul 15 05:05:42 i think the whole apple brand is steve jobs' fun little sociology experiment Jul 15 05:05:55 i said oh, my computer can run crysis at 75fps... but that feature is cool too Jul 15 05:05:57 "let's watch how crazy people can go over the FASHION of a freaking computer.. bunch of idiots" Jul 15 05:05:58 it's also limited Jul 15 05:06:16 leeds where did you hear that? Jul 15 05:06:20 you tryed lep on pc? Jul 15 05:06:21 "meanwhile, we'll control, watch, and log everything they do." - steve jobs Jul 15 05:06:33 TommyBres: techcrunch - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/google-voice-apps-for-android-and-blackberry-are-here/ Jul 15 05:06:46 niiice Jul 15 05:07:10 i like the iphones police scanner Jul 15 05:07:14 i want one on the g1 Jul 15 05:07:21 ohh that would be cool Jul 15 05:07:24 police scanner? Jul 15 05:07:25 what? Jul 15 05:07:47 yes Jul 15 05:07:57 it works in almost all states Jul 15 05:08:00 even other countrys Jul 15 05:08:04 really neat Jul 15 05:08:05 Canada? Jul 15 05:08:08 fire and police Jul 15 05:08:12 not sure but i think so Jul 15 05:08:23 hrmm Jul 15 05:08:25 but it's only aviable on iphone Jul 15 05:08:34 i seem to have a jailbroken iphone 3g right here Jul 15 05:08:34 weird Jul 15 05:08:38 ohh that would be nice Jul 15 05:08:50 it's cool Jul 15 05:08:54 is it on cydia or installous ? Jul 15 05:09:07 my friend hooked it up to his system in his car lol and people though we where the police Jul 15 05:09:07 do you know what its called? Jul 15 05:09:20 not sure Jul 15 05:09:24 i could ask my friend Jul 15 05:09:25 they cant like... trace that you're tracing them eh ? Jul 15 05:09:26 he got it Jul 15 05:09:29 i dont have the phone my self Jul 15 05:09:37 im sure Jul 15 05:09:43 nah Jul 15 05:09:47 kny, gv is going to be obsolete :( Jul 15 05:09:49 it's on the app store Jul 15 05:10:09 i just found it on installous Jul 15 05:10:13 so it connects to a streaming service right Jul 15 05:10:48 http://www.juicydevelopment.com/policescanner.html Jul 15 05:11:00 more info Jul 15 05:12:02 nice it downloaded Jul 15 05:12:05 gonna try this out Jul 15 05:12:06 im scared Jul 15 05:12:18 uhmm Jul 15 05:12:31 "turn on location services to allow "police scan" to determine your location" Jul 15 05:12:32 right Jul 15 05:12:37 lol Jul 15 05:12:40 so the cops can come knock on my door and take my roommates iphone Jul 15 05:12:49 nah Jul 15 05:12:51 dude Jul 15 05:12:54 its not illegal Jul 15 05:12:59 lol Jul 15 05:13:02 it's not illigal Jul 15 05:13:40 it's on the store Jul 15 05:13:43 it's not going to be illigal Jul 15 05:13:58 bah my city isnt listed Jul 15 05:14:01 and im NOT turning on location services Jul 15 05:14:02 eff that Jul 15 05:14:25 lol Jul 15 05:14:31 lol it's not illigal Jul 15 05:14:34 dude Jul 15 05:14:37 this is fucking creepy Jul 15 05:14:43 why? Jul 15 05:14:52 i unno Jul 15 05:15:15 while listening to it, my roommate and i got all peaked out Jul 15 05:15:15 started whispering Jul 15 05:15:19 i dont know about you but the police officers and emc wokers we pay with our tax money Jul 15 05:15:21 we should be able to listen Jul 15 05:15:36 haha i was just listening to cops in waterloo ontario Jul 15 05:15:37 are you high Jul 15 05:15:37 lol Jul 15 05:15:39 this is fucked Jul 15 05:15:40 err Jul 15 05:15:43 sorry for the language :( Jul 15 05:15:50 hahaha Jul 15 05:15:51 im from ontario Jul 15 05:15:52 we're dirty Jul 15 05:15:55 im so baked Jul 15 05:16:01 really? Jul 15 05:16:02 tom Jul 15 05:16:07 dur? Jul 15 05:16:08 haha Jul 15 05:16:11 shit without me Jul 15 05:16:11 me too TommyBres Jul 15 05:16:12 lol Jul 15 05:16:18 hence why im peaking out over the iphone police scanner Jul 15 05:16:19 woot Jul 15 05:16:20 we could tell Jul 15 05:16:21 like "OMG CAN THEY HEAR US??" Jul 15 05:16:24 lol Jul 15 05:16:30 dude no Jul 15 05:16:30 lol Jul 15 05:16:33 refuge if you wanna blaze stop by Jul 15 05:16:39 haha Jul 15 05:16:47 is the mytouch 3g the newer android phone Jul 15 05:16:57 i would dood :p if i lived closer Jul 15 05:16:58 :p Jul 15 05:17:01 its the magic for t-mo Jul 15 05:17:18 refuge where are you from Jul 15 05:17:23 indiana Jul 15 05:17:24 :p Jul 15 05:17:26 <3's his magic Jul 15 05:17:26 your in ny Jul 15 05:17:27 w00t Jul 15 05:17:27 right Jul 15 05:17:31 TommyBres: does it have a physical keyboard Jul 15 05:17:32 i want a police scanner on this Jul 15 05:17:43 i want one too Jul 15 05:17:45 on the g1 Jul 15 05:18:02 devslash no, the mytouch will not Jul 15 05:18:10 o its not out yet ? Jul 15 05:18:18 nope Jul 15 05:18:24 when is it coming out Jul 15 05:18:28 idk Jul 15 05:18:31 mytouh has no keyboard Jul 15 05:18:34 i dont know why Jul 15 05:18:35 hmm Jul 15 05:18:43 nite guys Jul 15 05:18:46 what does it have that makes it different/better than the g1 Jul 15 05:18:57 i want someone to have me a police scanner for my G1 when i wake up Jul 15 05:19:08 the mytouch is crap Jul 15 05:19:11 devslash: thinner, smaller device Jul 15 05:19:17 yeah Jul 15 05:19:28 mostly a marketing gimmick Jul 15 05:19:52 So, some guys with iphones were playing with polyhedral dice rolling apps Jul 15 05:20:05 I was embarrassed to show what the G1 had Jul 15 05:20:09 Caleb: same here!!! Jul 15 05:20:15 The End Jul 15 05:20:24 we have some dice rollers afaik Jul 15 05:20:28 yes Jul 15 05:20:28 lol languish Jul 15 05:20:31 ive got an iphone. i personally like it a lot more than the android Jul 15 05:20:33 haha man im listening to chicago cops Jul 15 05:20:33 they'r enot as nice Jul 15 05:20:33 not like they'd be that hard Jul 15 05:20:36 lotsa stuff going on tonight Jul 15 05:20:41 suspect might ahve facial hair Jul 15 05:20:41 btw Jul 15 05:20:47 possible facial hair Jul 15 05:20:48 dude if you need your PHONE to roll dice Jul 15 05:20:51 yes he has hair Jul 15 05:20:55 languish, "dice" on market is a good dice roll app Jul 15 05:21:05 i'm too old for this Jul 15 05:21:07 tommy, polyhedral dice? Jul 15 05:21:12 sparkle_: it would be nice, i imagine, that if you forgot dice you could have a backup Jul 15 05:21:24 but then again, one could argue that the die could be rigged Jul 15 05:21:25 no, but you can roll up to 6 dice :) Jul 15 05:21:29 all cubes Jul 15 05:21:35 i wouldnt play with someone rolling a die on their phone Jul 15 05:21:44 lol Jul 15 05:21:44 it's comming 1-2 months Jul 15 05:21:50 it's already able to be preordered Jul 15 05:21:51 if you forgot dice somewhere you might need them, isn't it highly likely that someone nearby brought some? Jul 15 05:21:54 the mytouch 3g is nothing more than a crippled HTC Magic - same as most of the vodafone/google branded ones are. Jul 15 05:22:07 haha Jul 15 05:22:13 orly? Jul 15 05:22:16 with the added kick in the balls in that it has the dreaded "perfect spl" Jul 15 05:22:18 * TommyBres plays c lo on his adp Jul 15 05:22:19 i thought mytouch 3g was gonna be better somehow Jul 15 05:22:27 or are they delaying to lock it up more and make it suck? Jul 15 05:22:31 why? Jul 15 05:22:41 because im half-retard? Jul 15 05:22:45 couldn't tell you Jul 15 05:23:06 all i want is a device that supports at&t's 3g band Jul 15 05:23:07 haha Jul 15 05:23:14 me too Jul 15 05:23:23 http://www.police-scanner.info/live-police-scanners.htm Jul 15 05:23:28 but not the lancaster, i want a real phone Jul 15 05:23:59 truth Jul 15 05:24:16 im saving my contract for just about any android phone Jul 15 05:24:29 you see the lancaster specs? Jul 15 05:24:32 but i will buy the next att3d/keyboarded one Jul 15 05:24:38 yeah, wtf is with the resolution Jul 15 05:24:50 makes me wanna cry Jul 15 05:25:08 i think my htc hermes had more resolution than that Jul 15 05:25:34 lol the kaiser has the same res Jul 15 05:25:40 one of the *sexiest* parts about htc dream is the resolution. Jul 15 05:25:51 eh, the res is alright Jul 15 05:26:06 last phone was a raphael, had double this res Jul 15 05:26:06 well, i did come from a hermes, so this was quite the improvement Jul 15 05:26:24 haha well thats the thing, its a step down for me Jul 15 05:26:24 hm Jul 15 05:26:33 in any event, i dont see why were going backwards with the resolution on the lancaster Jul 15 05:26:45 htc is dumb Jul 15 05:27:24 i came from a samsung d807 Jul 15 05:27:26 so my htc magic is pwn Jul 15 05:27:27 :) Jul 15 05:27:33 haha Jul 15 05:28:01 yeah, my htc touch diamond had higher res.. tho I have to say I don't notice it much as the screen is larger on the magic and it's a nice screen regardless Jul 15 05:28:22 if the resolution and onboard storage was higher on the next android, it could be a competitor Jul 15 05:28:23 htc diamonds touch screen is horrribblle Jul 15 05:28:27 atleast the one i used Jul 15 05:28:31 friend at work has one Jul 15 05:28:34 and i used it and laughed Jul 15 05:28:35 does htc know people don't care about labels, they just read for the highest number? Jul 15 05:28:40 samsung omnia Jul 15 05:28:40 its resistive Jul 15 05:28:45 dream is capacitive Jul 15 05:29:27 resistance is futile ;) Jul 15 05:30:20 haha Jul 15 05:30:45 * TommyBres agrees with jsharkey and wont ever buy another resistive screen Jul 15 05:31:58 one thing thats annoying is that you cannot use a thumbnail to pick something out Jul 15 05:32:50 yeah i know it's resistive Jul 15 05:32:59 that was the main thing i was arguing today to the girl with the htc diamond Jul 15 05:33:03 and the dudes with the samsung omnia Jul 15 05:33:21 as much as i dont mind the ui for the omnia, srsly eff resistive touch Jul 15 05:33:33 i dont even technically know the difference but wow Jul 15 05:33:45 lol Jul 15 05:33:54 wikipedia it Jul 15 05:34:38 you can do the police scanning on g1's ect by downloading nagare and fidning the stream url by going to shoutcast.com Jul 15 05:34:39 :p Jul 15 05:35:21 woo Jul 15 05:36:45 t mobiles spokeswoman = hottest woman on the face of the earth Jul 15 05:36:53 yeah that's fun Jul 15 05:36:55 wow Jul 15 05:37:01 nick too long Jul 15 05:37:08 woo Jul 15 05:37:10 im sure you got the point :) Jul 15 05:37:44 lol Jul 15 05:38:16 i wish i didnt have to take my phone apart in order to get my sim card out Jul 15 05:38:18 kudos to iphone for THAT atlast Jul 15 05:38:20 *least Jul 15 05:40:23 yep Jul 15 05:40:52 lol sorry guys just playing with this shit Jul 15 05:40:53 :p Jul 15 05:42:15 its okay Jul 15 05:42:19 we didnt miss you that much actually Jul 15 05:42:21 so carry on Jul 15 05:42:24 hahaha Jul 15 05:42:29 owned Jul 15 05:43:54 whoa.. Jul 15 05:44:01 im listening to the Norway police stream Jul 15 05:44:46 not taht i can understand it or anything Jul 15 05:44:46 still neato Jul 15 05:46:45 hah Jul 15 05:48:17 k so what's a rough city in the US? Jul 15 05:48:23 with lots of crime? Jul 15 05:48:26 i wanna make the most of the police scanner Jul 15 05:49:00 detroit Jul 15 05:49:03 newark Jul 15 05:49:05 <`vip> Memphis Jul 15 05:50:31 nice Jul 15 05:50:35 im listening to memphis as we speak Jul 15 05:50:52 anything good happening ?' Jul 15 05:50:56 rednex Jul 15 05:51:52 no Jul 15 05:51:56 just really awesome accents Jul 15 05:52:01 <`vip> Haha Jul 15 05:52:02 some shit goin down at ihop Jul 15 05:52:02 lol... Jul 15 05:52:11 tn = rednex Jul 15 05:52:19 <`vip> Atlanta Jul 15 05:52:19 is there an app similar to thatbfi Jul 15 05:52:22 oh nice.. a burglary Jul 15 05:52:25 for android? Jul 15 05:52:30 i wish Jul 15 05:52:34 i just mentioned it in #android-dev Jul 15 05:52:37 jpa, new orleans and houston Jul 15 05:52:39 and silence..... Jul 15 05:52:46 ..... Jul 15 05:52:48 bang bang! Jul 15 05:52:50 and oakland Jul 15 05:52:52 what state is New Orleans in again? Jul 15 05:52:58 louisiana Jul 15 05:52:58 <`vip> Louisiana Jul 15 05:53:11 oakland, ca is reallllly bad Jul 15 05:53:32 <`vip> Compton, CA Jul 15 05:53:35 thats where they had those 3-5 cops killed over a standard traffic stop Jul 15 05:53:39 <`vip> San Bernadino, CA Jul 15 05:54:03 <`vip> Atlanta, GA Birmingham, AL Jul 15 05:54:10 dude ran back to his house and waited up there with an ak47 as they busted his door down Jul 15 05:54:57 haha nice Jul 15 05:55:00 that's balls Jul 15 05:55:11 yeah, or just stupidity Jul 15 05:55:23 guys name was like, lovelle mixon haha Jul 15 05:55:36 hahah Jul 15 05:56:51 hrmm Jul 15 05:56:59 apps2sd doesn't seem to like letting me partition Jul 15 05:57:10 how do i properly partition my sdcard so i can run apps off it? Jul 15 05:57:32 sub-question: i heard running apps off Sd instead of internal rom helps speed things up - this true? Jul 15 05:57:51 depends on the speed of the SD Card Jul 15 05:57:59 i've noticed no difference either way and I have no clue what class my SD card is Jul 15 05:58:00 jpa-- dont use the app Jul 15 05:58:22 * k4r1m is thinkin of a touch pro 2 lol Jul 15 05:58:24 use something like acronis to partition the card Jul 15 05:58:48 is that another app i can get, or? Jul 15 05:58:51 why the hell did google pick htc! Jul 15 05:58:52 Anyone here familiar with the android kernel's display drivers, at least in regards to the Dream? Jul 15 05:58:56 phail hardware Jul 15 05:59:17 No, not really Jul 15 05:59:26 jpa-- its for windows Jul 15 05:59:42 though it's aggravating me enough I might go to some other actual linux phone or get an iPhone Jul 15 05:59:42 partition the card from the computer while its mounted Jul 15 05:59:59 Hi Jul 15 06:00:12 hunterkll the googlers are out partying :P Jul 15 06:00:15 Can android OS be installed on noki aphones Jul 15 06:00:23 *nokia Jul 15 06:00:23 sure, why not Jul 15 06:00:36 TommyBres, I'm trying to find out the differences in "android" framebuffer drivers and other regular linux framebuffer drivers Jul 15 06:00:43 or if they are not specialized drivers at all Jul 15 06:01:02 i cant help you at all, but there are people who could who are afk Jul 15 06:01:15 Heh Jul 15 06:01:42 romainguy and tmzt would probably be your best bets for that kinda stuff but im not sure Jul 15 06:03:14 tommybres: can you point me in the direction on how to do this Jul 15 06:03:20 I'm finding android documentation scattered and erratic Jul 15 06:03:55 nroot7 how to do what? Jul 15 06:04:09 oh, that, i have no clue Jul 15 06:04:18 :-( Jul 15 06:04:33 hunterkll youve checked out developer.android.com ? Jul 15 06:05:12 i'm browsing all i can right now Jul 15 06:05:57 I'm just sick of android and I want to make something a little more suitable for my device. :) Jul 15 06:06:14 First step is figuring out the feasability of getting TinyX runnning Jul 15 06:06:32 ah Jul 15 06:06:40 well good luck with that lol Jul 15 06:07:02 Hell, i'd like to figure out how to drop out of GUI and get just commandline only, like in recovery but after a 'full boot' Jul 15 06:07:39 terminal emulator? lol Jul 15 06:08:05 right.. but without the application need :) Jul 15 06:08:08 like, say, starting up in single user Jul 15 06:08:18 yeah Jul 15 06:08:38 well whats diff about that than going to recovery and hitting alt x Jul 15 06:08:49 er, i'm booted and running off the primary system? Jul 15 06:08:50 :) Jul 15 06:09:00 psh, details Jul 15 06:09:18 so like, I want to be able to drop out, try and launch something else (say an X server or a CLI application) Jul 15 06:09:22 without the android cruft running Jul 15 06:09:31 all I really want is the drivers and the HTC RIL library Jul 15 06:09:32 :/ Jul 15 06:10:04 :( Jul 15 06:10:53 You familiar with .. 'familiar' distribution from handhelds.org ? Jul 15 06:10:56 I want that Jul 15 06:10:56 :/ Jul 15 06:10:58 heh Jul 15 06:11:24 On Yong Jul 15 06:11:29 im familiar with everything a retarded 3 year old who doesnt use linux is familiar with Jul 15 06:12:30 ah, okay Jul 15 06:12:30 so you're saying you are a fan of "You Can't Do That On Television?" Jul 15 06:12:37 I'm very familiar with familiar - or at least I was Jul 15 06:12:46 Leeds, I do remember you, quite so Jul 15 06:12:49 o.o Jul 15 06:13:19 A long, long time ago I had an iPaq 3850 Jul 15 06:13:26 and you guys saved my sanity Jul 15 06:13:41 lol Jul 15 06:13:57 heh Jul 15 06:14:09 hehehe ipaq Jul 15 06:14:13 that's like saying nintendo Jul 15 06:14:15 I loved that damn PDA Jul 15 06:14:16 I actually found my old ipaq while sorting through some stuff at my parents' place at Easter Jul 15 06:14:21 and I want to get another Jul 15 06:14:33 with the dual CF/PCMCIA sleeve that had the battery in it Jul 15 06:14:39 heh Jul 15 06:14:40 and a fold out keyboard Jul 15 06:14:45 so I can actually *code on the go* again Jul 15 06:15:13 like I used to do with that ipaq Jul 15 06:15:19 i went through two screens with that poor thing Jul 15 06:15:23 before getting a MyPal A620 Jul 15 06:15:25 which pissed me off Jul 15 06:15:33 oh is that why the android devs are all so hung on the g1? Jul 15 06:15:35 the keyboard? Jul 15 06:15:35 because there was never any way to flash a native image Jul 15 06:15:38 for coding? Jul 15 06:15:45 no, because it was the first and is in as many hands Jul 15 06:15:49 would coding be such a hassle on the magic? Jul 15 06:15:52 not for coding, but yeah, a lot of people are fixated on the keyboard Jul 15 06:15:52 my ipaq had a *fullsize* keyboard accessory i bought for it Jul 15 06:16:01 ok im out guys Jul 15 06:16:02 ttyl Jul 15 06:16:15 later TommyBres Jul 15 06:16:15 cheers Jul 15 06:16:47 i think im at an advantage with not having huge hands Jul 15 06:17:05 no problems with touch only, even after using the dream for just over 2 weeks prior to returning it Jul 15 06:17:13 yea, if i really push it, i'm going to try and pound on that OTG support to try and get a keyborad working Jul 15 06:17:16 external keyboard, that is Jul 15 06:17:22 keyboard was good but i don't miss it... it was a fair trade for less bulk in my pants Jul 15 06:17:23 oh, i am pissed at android, myself Jul 15 06:17:25 i already have enough Jul 15 06:17:26 :P Jul 15 06:17:27 i really would rather have my iphone back Jul 15 06:17:32 which was softkey only Jul 15 06:17:51 Hunterkll: you could go the bluetooth route too (for the keyboard) Jul 15 06:17:57 True, true. Jul 15 06:18:04 but OTG would be awesome :) Jul 15 06:18:11 Oh, my lord and saviour! How's it goin'? Jul 15 06:18:21 it goes :) Jul 15 06:18:37 Yes, the chipset supports it and OTG is pretty well known Jul 15 06:18:41 not sure i can say id rather have an iphone over an android Jul 15 06:18:42 so I figure it won't be that insanely hard Jul 15 06:18:54 jpa--, the applications quality, the OS quality, pretty much everything works better. :) Jul 15 06:19:07 and the whole ability to have "background" processes is just pissing me off Jul 15 06:19:14 I shouldn't have to have a fucking swapfile. >:3 Jul 15 06:19:22 you watch your mouth Jul 15 06:19:25 if i can get away without having a swapfile with linux on a 64MB ram system Jul 15 06:19:35 running a fully usable system Jul 15 06:19:46 then why does android choke out on.. what was it, 192 or something? Jul 15 06:19:49 i just find the iphone dreadfully boring Jul 15 06:19:59 eh, when I had my iphone, I never.. tinkered with it, really Jul 15 06:19:59 i dont have an intense job so i kind of have a lot of time on my hands Jul 15 06:20:01 I just.. used it Jul 15 06:20:05 without thinking Jul 15 06:20:06 sooo yeah.. i love playing on my htc magic Jul 15 06:20:09 haha Jul 15 06:20:37 trying to play on an iphone is like.. k i can arrange icons.. get some apps & games... maybe if i wanna get really creative i can SSH into and edit config files and what not and change themes around and such Jul 15 06:20:41 which takes foreevveerrr Jul 15 06:20:55 but <3 my android for doing nerdy stuff Jul 15 06:21:04 i use terminal Jul 15 06:21:06 installed gcc Jul 15 06:21:07 etc etc Jul 15 06:21:25 android's restrictions and system are just seriously pissing me off Jul 15 06:21:26 :/ Jul 15 06:21:34 give it time Jul 15 06:21:45 its a project not quite as well funded as apple or anything they release Jul 15 06:21:45 I want to just format / as one big partition or two, one for boot.img and one for / Jul 15 06:21:46 sooo yeah Jul 15 06:21:47 give it time Jul 15 06:22:00 and load up a semi-decent linux Jul 15 06:22:10 not something that runs 99.9% of code in a VM Jul 15 06:22:36 now you're above my head Jul 15 06:22:37 to summarise: you don't want to run android Jul 15 06:22:40 i won't pretend to be a dev Jul 15 06:22:59 Leeds, I thought I did. then I got the hardware and started playing with the software. Jul 15 06:23:04 it's linux without the advantages :) Jul 15 06:23:13 it's Linux without the GNU Jul 15 06:23:20 (and X and Sun and etc....) Jul 15 06:23:22 the hardware is everything I could want from a portable linux device Jul 15 06:23:33 everything, ever. Jul 15 06:24:18 which one did you get? Jul 15 06:24:18 err Jul 15 06:24:20 g1 i guess eh? Jul 15 06:24:23 yes Jul 15 06:24:33 the only one I could easily get ahold of at a subsidized price in the US Jul 15 06:24:35 i liked it while i used it for sure Jul 15 06:24:46 and I need my handset insurance :) Jul 15 06:25:10 the only real deal breaker with me personally was that i felt that i would probably break the screen off of the hinge before i was eligible for Upgrade again Jul 15 06:25:30 ah, i feel it's the sturdiest slide hinge i've ever, ever seen Jul 15 06:25:33 and i don't like paying more than $150 for a phone, maximum Jul 15 06:25:45 well ,that's about what i paid from t-mobile Jul 15 06:25:47 with a contract Jul 15 06:25:51 but i was up to add a 2nd line, anyway Jul 15 06:25:54 really? mine started to wobble after the first like 4 days Jul 15 06:26:00 wobble? Jul 15 06:26:02 hrm Jul 15 06:26:04 let me examine mine Jul 15 06:26:08 how long have you had it ? Jul 15 06:26:11 b ut it's no where near as shoddy as my HTC Herald's was Jul 15 06:26:16 uh... 3 months i think now? Jul 15 06:26:21 hmm Jul 15 06:26:22 2-3 billing cycles at least Jul 15 06:26:29 good enough Jul 15 06:26:37 i didnt even have mine for a full billing cycle Jul 15 06:26:38 i mean Jul 15 06:26:48 exchanged within 30 day guarantee Jul 15 06:27:07 i feel a little wobble, but it's like "oh, it's on a rail and a slide arm" kind of wobble, not zomg it's bad wobble Jul 15 06:27:19 guys Jul 15 06:27:28 any programs that play live wma files on g1? Jul 15 06:27:30 ... i have paranoia Jul 15 06:29:22 not to my knowledge, sorry Jul 15 06:30:41 the G1 can play wma files, in theory at least... not sure about streams Jul 15 06:30:51 Hrm Jul 15 06:31:00 People still maintain opie... excellent Jul 15 06:31:32 or is it Jul 15 06:31:58 http://cia.vc/stats/project/handhelds.org/.message/830d52 <-- that 22:02 Monday was *this* monday, correct? Jul 15 06:32:32 I guess so, yes Jul 15 06:32:44 "The last message was received 1.32 days ago at 22:55 on Jul 13, 2009" Jul 15 06:32:51 http://cia.vc/stats/project/handhelds.org Jul 15 06:33:10 ah, okay Jul 15 06:33:20 cool Jul 15 06:33:25 so there's developers who still know some of the code Jul 15 06:33:59 and work on HTC devices as well Jul 15 06:34:50 weirdos, yes :P Jul 15 06:35:46 haha Jul 15 06:36:07 Was any GSM phone work done with these projects? Jul 15 06:37:53 uh-oh, Leeds is sporting the plus-oh Jul 15 06:38:00 from what I can see in the LKML there is support for treating this as a standard framebuffer device Jul 15 06:38:11 which means fbdev or other such incarnations of TinyX should work.... Jul 15 06:39:16 kRutOn: decided to try wearing it for a bit, rather than hiding it Jul 15 06:39:33 Leeds: I thought you had to shout "flame on!" beforehand Jul 15 06:39:56 nope, I shout "Chanserv - give me my @!" Jul 15 06:40:08 in the shape of an op! Jul 15 06:42:31 yay Jul 15 06:42:32 it works Jul 15 06:43:02 Refuge: what does? Jul 15 06:43:15 This is looking well... Jul 15 06:43:20 really, really well Jul 15 06:43:20 hrm Jul 15 06:43:23 this is going to be fun Jul 15 06:43:26 where's my usb cable Jul 15 06:45:09 schweet Jul 15 06:45:13 someone used SDL to run glgears Jul 15 06:45:14 :D Jul 15 06:46:10 woo Jul 15 06:46:11 adb works Jul 15 06:46:20 i'm glad everything is working Jul 15 06:46:31 my linux install is so bonkers i was worride that half this stuff wouldn't work Jul 15 06:49:52 hrm Jul 15 06:50:00 being a standard framebuffer makes m e a happy boy Jul 15 06:50:07 and the touch input is also a kernel driver and not proprietary Jul 15 07:02:23 welp Jul 15 07:02:27 heh, making the HTC pdf reader *work* - got an A3-sized detailed vector map of Paris Jul 15 07:02:30 guess i have faith in this working now Jul 15 07:02:36 nice to use vpn over the tether Jul 15 07:02:39 great actually Jul 15 07:06:31 it's still rendering the map... Jul 15 07:06:56 i need to get my text messages out from my android phone. it's broken, but i can still connect from the pc - any chance? Jul 15 07:14:23 sich Jul 15 07:14:24 sigh Jul 15 07:14:25 even Jul 15 07:14:33 OpenOffice takes forever to compile, heh. Jul 15 07:18:36 Hunterkll: you are compiling on a phone? :) Jul 15 07:18:37 heh Jul 15 07:18:44 yeah it takes a long time even on a pretty good PC Jul 15 07:19:06 I wish I could compile it on a phone. Jul 15 07:19:11 Once I get GCC running on the phone, it's all over. :D Jul 15 07:19:14 Hunterkll: you probably could if you worked on it Jul 15 07:19:15 ;) Jul 15 07:19:26 i'm sure there is a way to get gcc going on a phone Jul 15 07:19:50 it's just an arm. but i'm sure that would destroy the phone haha Jul 15 07:20:27 you'll melt the poor thing Jul 15 07:20:28 Macer, I'd like to get TinyX running so I can get GPE or Opie going Jul 15 07:22:55 in the meantime, I'm still rendering the map, 20 minutes later Jul 15 07:23:36 ooh, no, it just finished Jul 15 07:32:42 how to share files between my OS and android livecd? Jul 15 07:38:57 (02:20:40 AM) Hunterkll: Once I get GCC running on the phone, it's all over. :D Jul 15 07:39:05 why not just install the debian userland? Jul 15 07:39:11 gcc works fine in that Jul 15 07:42:38 JesusFreke, i want a more.. native phone system Jul 15 07:42:53 android needs to poof, X11 and friends need to nonpoof Jul 15 07:42:56 unpoof Jul 15 07:42:57 whatever Jul 15 07:43:02 depoof, possibly? Jul 15 07:43:06 yes Jul 15 07:43:22 incidentally, you know what 'poof' means in the UK? Jul 15 07:44:36 Leeds: it means the same in Australia too. (probably by extension) Jul 15 07:44:54 rule 1: Jul 15 07:46:57 No poofters! Jul 15 08:29:02 Leeds: what map are you rendering? Jul 15 08:29:02 heh Jul 15 08:29:37 a very complex vector PDF map of Paris - particularly the train/underground systems Jul 15 08:29:47 wow really? for what? Jul 15 08:29:52 making a game map or something? Jul 15 08:29:59 the fun of it? also, I'll be in Paris next week Jul 15 08:30:00 how are you even doing that? :) Jul 15 08:30:10 using the PDF reader Jul 15 08:30:22 oh. you said pdf map Jul 15 08:32:21 yes, I did... Jul 15 08:33:53 i thought youw ere building gps supported 3d graphic maps on your g1 Jul 15 08:34:07 :) or something equally as cool Jul 15 08:34:36 nope, nothing like as cool as that Jul 15 09:03:20 Can someone explain to me how people have been building kernels for the HTC Magic/Sapphire 32A without having the kernel patches? Jul 15 09:04:30 Volume /sdcard is busy (-1) - uncaging the reaper Jul 15 09:04:40 Reaper here - working on /sdcard Jul 15 09:05:07 Russtora: do they actually need kernel patches? Jul 15 09:05:16 compared with a regular Magic, I mean Jul 15 09:07:13 Leeds, according to people in the forums, yes... Jul 15 09:07:21 But I'm not 100% sure myself. Jul 15 09:07:44 There are no HTC Magic/Sapphire 32A kernels that support iptables/netfilter... Jul 15 09:07:51 At least, none that I'm aware of. Jul 15 09:08:29 Which is a pain in the arse for us people that have a 32A board. Jul 15 09:10:32 If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know. Jul 15 09:11:56 if someone german is here, you can join #android-dev-de also ;) just as information for german android users ;) Jul 15 09:19:07 still compiling Jul 15 09:19:08 jeeze Jul 15 09:24:15 Hunterkll, compiling an android kernel? Jul 15 09:24:37 Russtora: openoffice on his G1, I think Jul 15 09:24:40 ;) Jul 15 09:25:43 Russtora, No, 5hrs+ of compiling openoffice. and not on the G1 ;) Jul 15 09:26:20 lol Jul 15 09:46:51 hey what's the T9X keyboard for Android? Jul 15 10:00:25 <_Auron_> .. eclipse or adb needs to lay off the crack, it says I have about 20 instances of my device offline Jul 15 10:01:49 <_Auron_> why the hell does it keep saying my device is offline Jul 15 10:02:27 Isit offline? :P Jul 15 10:02:37 <_Auron_> it's plugged into my computer charging right now Jul 15 10:02:44 <_Auron_> with the screen on sitting on the middle home screen Jul 15 10:02:46 You havent mounted it have you? Jul 15 10:02:49 <_Auron_> no Jul 15 10:02:56 Have you enable usb debugging? Jul 15 10:03:03 <_Auron_> yes Jul 15 10:03:07 Are you using ubuntu? Jul 15 10:03:09 <_Auron_> no Jul 15 10:03:22 start-server? Jul 15 10:03:25 do you have your phone doing 60fps at 1900x1200 yet? Jul 15 10:03:47 <_Auron_> Leeds: lol Jul 15 10:04:02 _Auron_ : do you have the latest sdk? And are you using the latest? Jul 15 10:04:16 there are some bugs in the older adb's Jul 15 10:04:23 <_Auron_> I'm using 1.5 Jul 15 10:04:40 and you must *kill* any older adb because it will stay daemonised Jul 15 10:04:41 frankly, I'd reboot the phone Jul 15 10:04:55 maybe you have an older adb running as daemon Jul 15 10:05:26 ah, and using a linux kernel >= 2.6.28 also helps Jul 15 10:05:26 <_Auron_> ard: I haven't closed eclipse or killed off adb since I last compiled Jul 15 10:05:33 <_Auron_> I'm on windows XP pro with sp3 Jul 15 10:05:41 ow Jul 15 10:05:42 never mind Jul 15 10:05:43 guys, _Auron_ is an active developer who has a working setup Jul 15 10:06:04 talking about a temporary problem, not a basic setup failure Jul 15 10:06:05 <_Auron_> yeah I've been coding for the past 2 months without this issue, heh Jul 15 10:06:07 * ard has no experience with windows Jul 15 10:06:41 <_Auron_> the only thing weird thing I can think of is I set my phone to airplane mode while waiting for the harry potter midnight screening (which was *awesome* by the way) Jul 15 10:06:46 reboot? :) Jul 15 10:06:54 <_Auron_> Hunterkll: what are you doing in here? O.o Jul 15 10:07:12 _Auron_, well, that answers my question I asked you on EFnet :) Jul 15 10:07:18 well, it's a viable solution when using XP... Jul 15 10:07:23 <_Auron_> Hunterkll: heh. Jul 15 10:07:34 <_Auron_> yeah it's still not working, just rebooted my phone Jul 15 10:07:41 I meant reboot the PC. heh. Jul 15 10:07:47 <_Auron_> oh. goss. Jul 15 10:07:49 <_Auron_> gross* Jul 15 10:07:55 hey, it's windows Jul 15 10:08:08 <_Auron_> hey, I don't have a crappy setup in windows like most people do :P Jul 15 10:08:20 Windows IS a crappy setup Jul 15 10:08:21 er... yeah you do Jul 15 10:08:46 <_Auron_> I typically go weeks without restarting Jul 15 10:08:54 and to answer your question as to why i'm here? I'm fed up with android and am gearing up to start porting a decent GNU userland and an actual X server et al to the HTC Dream. ;) Jul 15 10:09:09 Like Familiar linux for PDAs, if you're familiar with it Jul 15 10:09:27 In otherwords, i'm kind of homesick for my iPaq 3850. :) Jul 15 10:09:44 Hunterkll: want to buy my ipaq? it's running opie at the moment ;) Jul 15 10:10:04 Haha. What model? Jul 15 10:10:15 the 3850 was really the last model that physically and functionally appealed to me Jul 15 10:10:23 and it dosn't have a cell modem, so feh. Jul 15 10:10:23 can't remember, actually... 38XX, I think Jul 15 10:10:30 Oh, okay then, so it's the same thing I had Jul 15 10:10:33 sleeve expandable, right? Jul 15 10:10:36 sure Jul 15 10:10:56 I actually had a third-party dual-CF sleeve - so I could use wifi and memory at the same time Jul 15 10:11:03 ah Jul 15 10:11:13 I was always on the lookout for the dual PCMCIA/CF sleeve because of the 2nd battery Jul 15 10:11:17 * ard liked angstrom on the hx4700 Jul 15 10:11:30 But I must admit, a lot of good has come from android Jul 15 10:11:32 meh Jul 15 10:11:49 anyway, time for me to go to supermarket, buy sashimi, and go home... big plans for this evening Jul 15 10:11:55 (big plans==eat sashimi) Jul 15 10:11:58 But it's definitely lacking some things that a nerd loves Jul 15 10:11:59 android makes me feel sad Jul 15 10:12:13 Hunterkll: at least it's free software Jul 15 10:12:13 half the OS shouldn't be running in VM on limited hardware like this Jul 15 10:12:16 especially java VM Jul 15 10:12:18 true, that is true Jul 15 10:12:25 it lets me fix it ! ^_^ Jul 15 10:12:33 <_Auron_> wow. Jul 15 10:12:48 <_Auron_> after rebooting my phone I magically have 30% more battery, and after turning the screen off then on the battery went up by 1% Jul 15 10:12:55 <_Auron_> my phone is acting stupid tonight :/ Jul 15 10:12:55 I will not be happy until I get either Opie or GPE running on this device Jul 15 10:13:00 With GCC working Jul 15 10:13:07 and USB OTG support so I can use an external keyboard Jul 15 10:13:27 Hunterkll: there are serious questions as to whether the hardware is actually capable of OTG support Jul 15 10:13:32 Hunterkll : /me will be satisfied with a decent inetd and some less VM stuff Jul 15 10:13:34 and ipkg working so that I can pull from the handheld.org repo packages Jul 15 10:13:34 l Jul 15 10:13:40 haha Jul 15 10:13:48 Leeds, I thought the chipset was confirmed as capable? Jul 15 10:13:50 I mean: why should the dialer be killed if I want to answer a call? Jul 15 10:14:09 I think the chipset is, in theory, but it might need supporting circuitry which is missing Jul 15 10:14:17 I mean, yea, I can settle for bluetooth, but if I can write a driver to fix something, then why not? Jul 15 10:14:31 ard, because they gimped on ram Jul 15 10:14:39 add a 32MB swapfile Jul 15 10:14:40 hell Jul 15 10:14:42 even 8MB Jul 15 10:14:53 8 motherfucking megabytes more causes shit to stop shutting out and whatnot Jul 15 10:14:59 EIGHT Jul 15 10:16:02 compcache needs to work, now. heh Jul 15 10:19:29 <_Auron_> brb Jul 15 10:27:36 <_Auron_> okay, the new number graphics look *so* much better than the System font's Jul 15 10:47:35 is there an application with which i could SOMEHOW access my text messages on the phone via my computer? Jul 15 10:48:12 adb? :) Jul 15 11:11:44 hi Jul 15 11:12:28 I was wonderng if HTC Magic and HTC Hero has the same andorid versions (Cupcake 1.5) ? Jul 15 11:12:44 \o Jul 15 11:12:57 1.5B iPhone App downloads in first year http://cl.exct.net/?qs=7f5b88d3f8750f6ee06d32a5a168688423b279956d8de301300b87190696a095 Jul 15 11:12:59 I am looking for an Android phone to buy here in Europe and not sure which one Jul 15 11:13:30 so any recommendations? Jul 15 11:13:57 BadRobot: google + time + patience ? ;]].. Jul 15 11:14:16 who cares about Iphone's ? We have Android to beat it untill the end of the year Jul 15 11:15:00 ?.. till the end of the yr?.. hmmm.. not parsing here.. Jul 15 11:17:28 BadRobot: as i understood it, both are based on cupcake 1.5 Jul 15 11:17:47 but htc hero's is an htc-modified version Jul 15 11:17:50 ok, Jul 15 11:18:00 while the one on the magic is +- default cupcake Jul 15 11:18:12 So which of them you guys you recommend? Jul 15 11:18:36 I care about iPhones :) Jul 15 11:18:38 i'm waiting for the hero to come out here, but i'm not sure yet Jul 15 11:18:43 I regret selling mine. :) Jul 15 11:18:45 did they modified it for the better or worst? Jul 15 11:18:56 i believe for the better Jul 15 11:19:01 in here costs around 599 ¤ Jul 15 11:19:06 HTC HERO Jul 15 11:19:14 what monetary unit is that? Jul 15 11:19:35 but ht e Magic you can get for around 449 ¤ if you luck to find it Jul 15 11:19:35 euro Jul 15 11:19:36 i think Jul 15 11:19:57 but otherwise 530 ¤ Jul 15 11:20:08 Euro Jul 15 11:20:25 about 700 $ Jul 15 11:20:35 here in belgium you can find simcard-free ones for 459 euro Jul 15 11:20:41 htc hero Jul 15 11:20:46 only Jul 15 11:20:59 then I need get it from Belgium then Jul 15 11:21:02 the samsung galaxy in available for 430 now at o2 germany Jul 15 11:21:11 BadRobot: where are you from? Jul 15 11:21:14 in Finland , mobile phones are soo expensive Jul 15 11:21:34 BadRobot: store around the corner for me: http://www.loveno.be/nieuws/1110 Jul 15 11:21:53 danm, and I just have bought a HTC Diamond 2 Jul 15 11:22:10 ...now I have to sell it to buy the HEro Jul 15 11:22:24 but in the netherlands and germany you will probably be able to find them even cheaper Jul 15 11:23:13 Can I buy it directly from any shop? Jul 15 11:23:43 BadRobot, which one? Jul 15 11:23:47 samsung? Jul 15 11:23:49 In Finald takes a month or even more, but they only sell it if you order and pay in advance Jul 15 11:24:03 HTC or Samsung Jul 15 11:24:16 I want to buy any Android phone Jul 15 11:24:22 BadRobot, http://www.o2online.de/nw/homepage/aktionen/offer/top-angebote.html?category=1&offer=2&o2_type=goto&o2_label=flash/handy-startseite-informieren-1 Jul 15 11:25:49 you guys there in central europe are very luck Jul 15 11:26:05 all those nice gadgets comes first then here Jul 15 11:26:14 cutmasta: is that one simlocked? Jul 15 11:26:44 it may be prepaid Jul 15 11:26:56 sipa1024, no Jul 15 11:27:00 not simlocked Jul 15 11:27:20 but maybe only available in combination with a data plan from o2? Jul 15 11:27:28 sipa1024, no Jul 15 11:27:38 they sell it also without contract Jul 15 11:27:47 with contract its cheaper of course Jul 15 11:27:54 I wish they will create a cupcake 1.5 port for my HTC daimond 2 Jul 15 11:28:40 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)#Released_.28aftermarket_installations.29 Jul 15 11:28:52 there are some ports for earlier htc phones Jul 15 11:29:41 is it there any diference on the software from samsung galaxy and htc magic? Jul 15 11:29:58 can they do the same things? Jul 15 11:31:05 in the http://forum.xda-developers.com/index.php doesn't show the samsung galaxy , only the htc models Jul 15 11:33:05 BadRobot: judging by what i've seen on review videos, both htc magic and samsung galaxy appear to be using stock android 1.5 Jul 15 11:33:17 kIDDAI, hm are the text messages stored in a file (or multiple files) in a specific directory that i could access via adb? Jul 15 11:33:53 they should be stored via sqlite Jul 15 11:34:05 you should be able to access all messages Jul 15 11:34:28 as fas as i know, we had root rights to do so Jul 15 11:34:32 -s+r Jul 15 11:39:32 sounds promising, kIDDAI. is the adb daemon active on any phone by default? and how can i find out the path/filename of the database where texts are stored? i am currently browsing the dev guide here ... Jul 15 11:47:56 hello everybody Jul 15 11:48:16 having two problems with building for HTC dream: Jul 15 11:48:50 1. repo sync fails with given local_manifest.xml ... getting "project kernel/common not found" error Jul 15 11:49:06 removed remove-project statement in this manifest, then repo sync worked Jul 15 11:49:40 BUT: at the end of the repo sync it says "fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly" Jul 15 11:49:51 and "error: Cannot fetch platform/vendor/htc/dream" Jul 15 11:49:58 Does anybody have a hint for me? Jul 15 11:50:05 (on how to solve this?) Jul 15 11:56:46 How can I check with a shell what the current CPU frequency of my HTC Magic is? Jul 15 11:57:08 aren't all htc magics 528MHz ? Jul 15 11:57:27 @Russtora: adb shell, cat /proc/cpuinfo Jul 15 11:57:43 otype: nope Jul 15 11:57:57 its under /sys/cpu foobar and the , is an erro Jul 15 11:57:58 r Jul 15 11:58:01 alright Jul 15 11:58:05 adb shell cat /sys/foobert Jul 15 11:58:07 only gives you capability Jul 15 11:58:42 thanks Jul 15 12:00:15 /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq iirc Jul 15 12:02:44 ta Jul 15 12:03:08 works. Jul 15 12:03:17 anybody a hint why remote end is hanging up on me? (must be something very simple, I guess) Jul 15 12:04:05 u made a mistake? Jul 15 12:05:54 Briareos1: should be running on every device. you need to install drivers for certain operating systems. Jul 15 12:19:53 Does anybody know what the HTC Magic is supposed to run at? min/max scaling freq? Jul 15 12:20:06 My understanding was 384Mhz. Jul 15 12:20:15 The max. Jul 15 12:20:51 you can run 528MHz Jul 15 12:20:59 I know, but there's not much point is there? Jul 15 12:21:04 I mean, isn't it bus limited? Jul 15 12:21:09 ok Jul 15 12:21:15 it runs perfect with 528MHz Jul 15 12:21:19 better like this? Jul 15 12:21:28 Increased power consumption? Jul 15 12:21:50 driving faster costs more fuel right? Jul 15 12:21:56 No doubt. Jul 15 12:22:03 running 6k rpm runs more then 3k rpm Jul 15 12:22:08 doesn't it? Jul 15 12:22:17 Back to my original question, what is the stock max CPU scaling frequency of the HTC Magic/Sapphire. Jul 15 12:22:27 384Mhz Jul 15 12:22:31 That's all I asked. Jul 15 12:23:07 does it automatically switch to higher frequency when doing cpu-intensive things? Jul 15 12:23:16 not over the 384 Jul 15 12:23:31 ic Jul 15 12:23:35 if you change max it will, but not from stock Jul 15 12:23:51 I am building a stock ROM... Jul 15 12:23:56 Just wanted to be 100% sure. Jul 15 12:24:00 lol Jul 15 12:24:03 n/c Jul 15 12:24:04 damn i'm tired Jul 15 12:24:53 Just basic customization for my country really. Jul 15 12:25:06 but this isn't stock anymore... Jul 15 12:25:15 you can't build your own stock rom. Jul 15 12:25:20 Stock-like. Jul 15 12:25:23 better Jul 15 12:25:36 Russtora: .za, whats this? Jul 15 12:25:41 South Africa Jul 15 12:25:59 They fuckup our ROM's so that we have no Android Market at all. Jul 15 12:26:14 hrhr Jul 15 12:26:35 this is really fucked up man Jul 15 12:26:36 How do people build boot images? Jul 15 12:26:41 its a real pain to get even the free apps without market :> Jul 15 12:27:10 www.andxxx-rlxxx-0day.xx Jul 15 12:27:12 hrhr Jul 15 12:28:02 at least most of the OSS apps you can compile yourself Jul 15 12:28:45 i don't get it why there is no simple publicly viewable (web interface?) part of the google market Jul 15 12:28:57 possibly only with apps whose authors agree to make it public Jul 15 12:29:12 Seriously, are people compiling their own kernel's to make boot images with? Jul 15 12:30:50 Any guidance/help is appreciated on the matter. Jul 15 12:40:13 ello Jul 15 12:41:19 I come from the iPhone! How does publishing apps for android marketplace work? Is there an approval process or is it instantaneous? Jul 15 12:42:41 dang`r`us, there is no approval process Jul 15 12:42:54 thanks! Jul 15 12:44:09 unless people start rumours about your product, then goog might yank it Jul 15 12:44:52 is it possible to have age restrictions? Or, if I ask more directly: what about nudity? Jul 15 12:45:34 no idea Jul 15 12:47:04 hey dang`r`us! :D Jul 15 12:47:26 dang`r`us: you can just put your .apk on a public webserver and write about it in your blog ;) Jul 15 12:47:37 Ge0rG, yeeeaaaah but what about selling it Jul 15 12:47:50 dang`r`us: ah, thats a problem indeed Jul 15 12:48:52 seems like the alternate markets aren't getting traction Jul 15 12:49:37 to be honest I kinda like centralism Jul 15 12:50:40 there's nothing to be gained for customers when they have to search hundreds of micro stores (okay - competing stores might have less fees for developers) Jul 15 12:52:04 dang`r`us: read http://www.android.com/market/terms/developer-content-policy.html Jul 15 12:52:25 sipa1024, awesome, thanks Jul 15 12:59:43 ziyourenxiang: there are alternate markets? Jul 15 13:00:32 Ge0rG, hi btw :D Jul 15 13:00:50 slideme.org is one Jul 15 13:01:04 they have an app on the google market to browse their market, i think Jul 15 13:01:25 haha. thats a tough one if you don't have access to the gmarket in the first place Jul 15 13:01:59 well they also have to compete with the mothership when they place ads :-) Jul 15 13:03:08 4.5 Non-Compete. You may not use the Market to distribute or make available any Product whose primary purpose is to facilitate the distribution of Products outside of the Market. Jul 15 13:04:45 ho, i am wrong then Jul 15 13:10:18 when I want to publish an android app, I absolutely have to use java, right? Jul 15 13:14:42 so mates.. just me.. or did anyone else note the inconsistency in android's handling of call log?.. if uses contact record.. chooses to call their main office number.. which happens to be same number for multiple execs at same org.. upon finishing the call.. androids call log seems to arbitrarily change the last call to some other exec's credit?.. quite strange.. very unhandy too since on occasion one finds them out of office.. and would like Jul 15 13:14:44 convenience of simply long pressing the call log and choosing 'view contact' to change to their cell# and call.. Jul 15 13:15:07 *if one uses contact record.. Jul 15 13:15:39 dang`r`us: you have to write at least the gui in java. there are some JNI capabilities which you might want to use for certain tasks Jul 15 13:16:04 not good.. Jul 15 13:16:14 Ge0rG, url tip? Jul 15 13:16:55 dang`r`us: http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2009/14366.html Jul 15 13:18:24 thx Jul 15 13:19:08 dang`r`us: however, the GUI has to be in java. Jul 15 13:19:42 jruby? Jul 15 13:19:44 dang`r`us: e.g. there is a port of scummvm, where the core app is c++ and the developer used some black magic glue to let it appear as an android app Jul 15 13:19:51 aight, thanks Jul 15 13:32:06 oooh Jul 15 13:32:12 scummvm on android Jul 15 13:37:52 random question of the day: why's jbq not hanging around here anymore? Jul 15 13:39:55 tauno: random answer of the day : cause he is on vacations or because he is working on his ADC2 entry mayhaps Jul 15 13:40:29 tauno: wildly guessing though Jul 15 13:42:01 hi all Jul 15 13:56:48 oh hello Jul 15 13:56:58 ohai Jul 15 13:57:01 quick question; after placing a .nomedia file in a directory, how do I get the media scanner to rescan the sdcard? Jul 15 13:57:22 is there a way to force a textview to redraw itself? Jul 15 13:58:29 hi, I've just created my image...I looked at JesusFreke 's images but I wonder how he generates them because it appear to have a manifest and similar things Jul 15 14:00:04 surprised the new Google Voice app does less than the GV app, in some ways Jul 15 14:04:34 ok, i have been messing with this code for a while, and am getting confused. http://pastebin.com/m5851f6ef Jul 15 14:05:00 it should be displaying a number which increments every second, but it just sticks at 0. Jul 15 14:05:19 i can only assume that the myText object isn't being redrawn. Jul 15 14:05:34 god hates you ( sorry ) Jul 15 14:05:41 only possible explaination Jul 15 14:05:49 but shouldn't it be being redrawn all the time, as it invalidates every time it draws. Jul 15 14:05:55 on noes :( Jul 15 14:06:02 btw Integers are immutable Jul 15 14:06:04 like strings Jul 15 14:06:22 vol__: you have an install work with my rom ? Jul 15 14:06:24 hi Jul 15 14:06:37 due to the magic of autoboxing, what you're doing is taking the Integer, converting it to an int, incrementing it by one, and then turning that to an Integer, then returning that as your statement Jul 15 14:06:41 except you're not assigning anything Jul 15 14:07:01 ha-ha! i see. Jul 15 14:07:03 where can I find more examples of usage jni + ndk + android? Jul 15 14:07:07 additionally, you'd need to force a redraw in your run method Jul 15 14:07:08 damn you autoboxing! Jul 15 14:07:24 calebr: CoPilot for android :> Jul 15 14:07:35 (can't give you source examples though) Jul 15 14:07:48 vol__: by posting an invalidate() to the textView's event queue? Jul 15 14:08:42 yeah, you'll need to do postInvalidate or something Jul 15 14:08:47 I forget offhand how you do it for non-ui threads Jul 15 14:09:55 I'll make my users flash via fastboot Jul 15 14:10:47 vol__: tv.post(new Runnable() {public void run() {tv.invalidate();}}); ? Jul 15 14:11:19 i just stuck that in the for(;;); but it's apparently not updating :-/ Jul 15 14:11:19 that could do it. Jul 15 14:11:31 well, again, you have to actually provide a new value for the text view Jul 15 14:11:35 remember, Integers are immutable Jul 15 14:11:47 and what you're really doing when you pass that integer in is get its string value Jul 15 14:11:48 i also changed my int thingy to num = new Integer(num+1); Jul 15 14:11:55 irrelevant Jul 15 14:12:14 even if the textview accepted Integer as arguments, you're still not changing the reference inside text view Jul 15 14:12:19 wouldn't that make "num" reference the new integer object Jul 15 14:12:22 you're only changing the reference in your class Jul 15 14:12:25 oh....wait.....no Jul 15 14:12:28 * bizarrefish hits himself Jul 15 14:12:31 it would. except the TV doesn't reference "num" Jul 15 14:12:32 STUPID FISH! Jul 15 14:12:36 :< Jul 15 14:12:41 :< Jul 15 14:12:52 * bizarrefish apologises for his idiocy Jul 15 14:16:26 f-spot blows Jul 15 14:17:19 ugh Jul 15 14:17:28 so, windows doesn't allow you to create a file called ".nomedia" via explorer Jul 15 14:17:40 because if you're making a file with a dot at the front, you must be doing it wrong! Jul 15 14:40:23 lol.. tux rules in google'dom.. pleases me to no end.. Behold, The Googlification Continues - Or Does It? http://www.linuxjournal.com/print/1008575 Jul 15 14:46:42 does anyone know about the ro.config.hosted_account and ro.config.google_account properties in init.goldfish.rc? Jul 15 14:47:07 the text "You MUST have a Google account on the device, and you MAY additionally have a hosted account." seems to hint at support I haven't seen exposed anywhere Jul 15 14:52:22 what is 0x74030000? public static final class layout {public static final int main=0x7f030000;} Jul 15 14:52:27 is it some kind of memory vector? Jul 15 14:53:11 how do you mean; for java it's just a number written in hexadecimal Jul 15 14:53:18 but i have no idea how it's used Jul 15 14:53:55 sipa1024: it's passed to setContentView() when using an XML layout Jul 15 14:54:02 i was wondering what the significance of the number was Jul 15 14:54:17 (what is it actually specifying) Jul 15 14:54:31 i feared that that was your question :) Jul 15 14:54:41 :-/ Jul 15 14:55:31 so, is it like an index into some tarball-like archive of resources or something? Jul 15 14:56:40 yes, it does look like a resource id Jul 15 14:57:04 bizarrefish: don't have android sdk here Jul 15 14:58:05 but that's one hell of an index Jul 15 14:58:16 does the android get email from a googleapps acct the same way it does with a gmail acct Jul 15 14:58:33 what does "wrong cl" means? Jul 15 14:58:48 maybe it's relative to the virtual memory space... Jul 15 14:58:49 nah, it's something like 0x74 for the resource id numberspace, then 03 for a layout, then 0000.... for the first layout, 00001 for the second, etc. Jul 15 14:58:56 anyone ? Jul 15 14:59:00 this is in your code, right? Jul 15 14:59:17 Leeds: i believe it's automatically generated from the xml files Jul 15 14:59:20 but it's code Jul 15 14:59:27 Leeds: it's in the R.class Jul 15 14:59:40 s/R\.class/R class/ Jul 15 14:59:42 yes, that's what I was going to say - you can open the generated R.java and look in there Jul 15 14:59:57 does the android get email from a googleapps account the same way it does with a gmail account Jul 15 15:00:01 yeah, that's what's in there Jul 15 15:00:04 devslash: no idea Jul 15 15:00:12 and some other constants Jul 15 15:00:18 with the same kinda numbers Jul 15 15:00:32 they are just resource ids, arbitrary values Jul 15 15:00:40 devslash: if you're using the gmail app, I'd say yes Jul 15 15:01:06 devslash well i dont have an android yet Jul 15 15:01:18 devslash: http://www.mobilecomputermag.co.uk/20081003956/google-changes-mind-android-does-support-google-apps-push.html Jul 15 15:01:35 it is a very old article though Jul 15 15:01:53 devslash: wait... are you asking if android supports gapps accounts? Jul 15 15:01:57 does it make a difference if i register my own domain and use it with google apps Jul 15 15:02:03 leeds yes Jul 15 15:02:05 or are you asking about the specifics of email synching? Jul 15 15:02:27 It does support google apps, but you have to enable Chat before you can use it. Jul 15 15:02:29 For some reason Jul 15 15:02:33 heres what i want to do. register domain with google apps like mydomain.com and have an email devslash@mydomain.com thru google apps standard Jul 15 15:03:38 and access it on an android (which i havent purchased yet Jul 15 15:03:55 Thats what i am doing now, so it works :) Jul 15 15:04:10 I suggest C2P0 - much more user-friendly than R2D2 Jul 15 15:04:21 C3PO you mean? Jul 15 15:04:33 Rhizome you have your own domain ? Jul 15 15:04:36 his brother Jul 15 15:04:39 devslash: yes Jul 15 15:04:46 Leeds: although i have absolutely no idea what you're talking about :) Jul 15 15:04:47 Rhizome using google apps standard? Jul 15 15:04:59 devslash: Thats correct Jul 15 15:05:06 sipa1024: we don't generally talk about "an android" - it's "a phone" or "an android device" Jul 15 15:05:07 how much is it ? Jul 15 15:05:18 is it $10/year for the domain with email Jul 15 15:05:22 hosting only Jul 15 15:05:23 Leeds: haha ok ic Jul 15 15:05:40 devslash: It's free Jul 15 15:05:41 google email hosting is free Jul 15 15:05:53 but the domain itself will cost you a few $ per year Jul 15 15:05:55 but you have to pay for the domain of course Jul 15 15:05:58 i know i mean registering a domain Jul 15 15:06:11 is it $10 for every year or only for the 1st year Jul 15 15:06:14 and yeah, roughly $10/year is about right Jul 15 15:06:26 it's per year Jul 15 15:06:50 * vol__ suggests Dreamhost for cheap and vaguely ok hosting Jul 15 15:07:00 if it's good enough for my wedding website, it's good enough for you! Jul 15 15:07:15 you're marrying a website? Jul 15 15:07:28 It's common these days. Jul 15 15:07:53 lol Jul 15 15:08:30 i whine about this once a month. i wish on my g1 i can have gmail, and my google apps email ( yes i know the email app supports imap) Jul 15 15:10:39 It's really cool that multi-touch works on the HTC Magic with Hero firmware ;) Jul 15 15:11:00 teratoma: you and me both, man Jul 15 15:11:03 multitouch works on the g1 with jf's firmware Jul 15 15:11:11 you're running hero firmware, Rhizome? Jul 15 15:13:32 yes, the one available here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=531837 Jul 15 15:14:41 is it nice? :) Jul 15 15:15:48 very ;) Jul 15 15:15:56 The nicest thing is having a timer and stopwatch that actually works :o Jul 15 15:16:18 How are you suppose to make pizza without a timer? just asking... Jul 15 15:16:38 i can't access my native method. I have private native void nativeDraw(); then i generate .h with javah, then i create .c with implemmentation and I end up with UnsatisfiedLinkError - no implementation found for native... help pls Jul 15 15:17:03 and I make APP before running Jul 15 15:17:17 and I add libs to the project Jul 15 15:18:32 did you run System.load or System.loadLibrary? Jul 15 15:18:37 yes Jul 15 15:19:17 interesting Jul 15 15:19:22 could you pastebin what you've done? Jul 15 15:19:32 if i, say, created a TextView using XML. How could i get that object in code? Jul 15 15:19:38 loadLibrary. i have log that library was added but i receive exception when calling nativeDraw Jul 15 15:19:44 so vol_ u get me down to $20 for copilot yet if so I buy now? Jul 15 15:19:45 vol_: ok Jul 15 15:19:50 i take it there is a kinda getObject(CharSequence objectname); thing Jul 15 15:20:45 NexVision: I have no idea what you just said, but if you're asking if I can sell it to you for $20 the answer is no, since I don't have the power of pricing in the company. Jul 15 15:21:20 weakkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk Jul 15 15:21:47 vol_: http://paste.bradleygill.com/index.php?paste_id=11259 Jul 15 15:23:35 NexVision: get me a legitimate copy of windows 7 for $25, and I'll get you copilot for $20. Jul 15 15:24:08 if i give u a legit win7 i want it free Jul 15 15:24:28 legit meaning honest to god actually legitimate Jul 15 15:24:35 yuppers Jul 15 15:24:36 not "yeah I found it and an enterprise key on a torrent site" Jul 15 15:24:39 im running win 7 Jul 15 15:24:49 not "yeah but there's a 3 month timer then it dies" Jul 15 15:24:53 not "it's a beta build" Jul 15 15:24:55 nopers Jul 15 15:25:04 vol_: you're still using torrent sites when there are newsgroups to boot? :P Jul 15 15:25:15 the copy im running now had a 8/10 expire nag which i removed Jul 15 15:25:15 I actually use neither :P Jul 15 15:25:18 vol_: you should ask for a resellable unopended win7 package inclusing license :) Jul 15 15:25:26 ^^ Jul 15 15:25:33 bah technet FTW Jul 15 15:25:34 vol ;) Jul 15 15:25:36 I'm not going to risk my job to give you a copy of copilot Jul 15 15:26:00 what's copilot? Jul 15 15:26:09 flight simulator ? Jul 15 15:26:15 is it actually possible to manipulate objects in code, that were created in an XML layout? Jul 15 15:26:25 no vol_ i would neevr want u to do anything to violate your job Jul 15 15:26:26 ooh, a flight sim for android!? Jul 15 15:26:30 but vol_, he's some random guy on the internet. where's your sense of self-sacrifice? Jul 15 15:26:34 Death_Syn: turn by turn driving directions Jul 15 15:26:43 oh Jul 15 15:26:44 http://www.cyrket.com/package/com.alk.copilot.marketplace.na.full Jul 15 15:26:46 hmm Jul 15 15:26:54 nice :) Jul 15 15:26:57 search for CoPilot on marketplace, we have NA and EU flavors. Jul 15 15:27:06 With voice? Jul 15 15:27:10 yes Jul 15 15:27:11 nor would i ever expect anyone to risk there job over $30 Jul 15 15:27:27 is there a trial version? Jul 15 15:27:30 turn by turn, voice, weather, pois, lots of stuff. Jul 15 15:27:34 i mean come on if i actually needed nav i would by it Jul 15 15:27:35 like, say i wanted to put stuff in a textview that i defined in an XML file, i would need to call the append() method of the textview. only i dont know how to get the object, so i can access it's members. Jul 15 15:27:40 cause i love copilot Jul 15 15:27:47 Death_Syn: not officially, no. Jul 15 15:27:52 NexVision: you love it, so you've used it? Jul 15 15:27:57 hmm Jul 15 15:27:58 not for droid Jul 15 15:28:01 oh ic Jul 15 15:28:03 vol_: will you look at http://paste.bradleygill.com/index.php?paste_id=11259 ? here are logs: http://paste.bradleygill.com/index.php?paste_id=11260 :) Jul 15 15:28:05 used it alot for winmo Jul 15 15:28:07 might be worth trying out Jul 15 15:28:13 calebr: I'm looking Jul 15 15:28:16 i have a couple winmo vers Jul 15 15:28:28 but if anyone needs navi i def suggest copilot Jul 15 15:28:28 i bought Copilot :) Jul 15 15:28:41 I gues it work ok however there are a few flaws Jul 15 15:28:44 i could so make the jealous GPS people with that Jul 15 15:28:46 there tech support and customer service is superior to every other one Jul 15 15:28:51 well besides garmin Jul 15 15:28:53 need to get something to mount the g1 to my dash Jul 15 15:29:06 the data folder on the sdcard needs a sprinkeling og .nomedia files Jul 15 15:29:10 but garmin is just awesome but much more money and not for droid Jul 15 15:29:41 blkhawkz: funny you mention that, I'm actually adding them now : ) Jul 15 15:29:44 and the stupid app gets the server to send me a new registration number everytime i somuch as sneeze Jul 15 15:29:55 you really only need one, since it's recursive Jul 15 15:30:03 hold on, you shouldn't be getting new registration numbers. Jul 15 15:30:04 sneeze == flash a new firmware ;) Jul 15 15:30:07 oh. Jul 15 15:30:15 .... then yes I guess that makes a bit of sense. Jul 15 15:30:21 vol_: i do that a lot Jul 15 15:30:24 you're what might be called "an edge case" Jul 15 15:30:29 I hope its no trouble for you Jul 15 15:30:31 i do alot of flashing Jul 15 15:30:41 but usually end up nandroid restore in the end Jul 15 15:30:41 blkhawkz: you obviously don't sneeze ofter :p Jul 15 15:30:43 blkhawkz: no skin off my back Jul 15 15:31:14 oh Jul 15 15:31:33 and the Desktop app doesn't grok that i bought the German map pack (DACH) Jul 15 15:31:52 it wants to sell it to me again Jul 15 15:32:01 blkhawkz: mount your device in usb mass storage mode Jul 15 15:32:05 i expect that to improve eventually< Jul 15 15:32:07 then start central again Jul 15 15:32:42 so vol_ i got a question for u how exactly does copilot work on droid Jul 15 15:32:43 calebr: I'm not really sure why you're having a problem, this looks correct on its face. Jul 15 15:32:50 you're definitely loading the library Jul 15 15:32:51 vol_: i tried that - unless thats somehow different from me enabling usb-storage access on the phone and then starting the desktop soft Jul 15 15:32:53 on winmo u send a sd card with all maps and pois Jul 15 15:33:06 So, is it this fall that we're supposed to see the influx of Android phones and PMPs I've been hearing about for so long? Jul 15 15:33:07 the only thing I can suggest is to try using arm-eabi-nm to make sure that the symbol is actually there, and you didn't compile an old version and use that, etc. Jul 15 15:33:11 but droid looks like a dl from market Jul 15 15:33:17 the soft even backs up my cards Jul 15 15:33:31 and i doubt ur downloading 2 gigs of maps Jul 15 15:33:41 NexVision: on marketplace all the maps are downloaded by you on your device, or via our windows desktop app called Central Jul 15 15:33:52 we don't package them with the app Jul 15 15:34:03 NexVision: the app you get at first is only 3mb Jul 15 15:34:17 also i wish there was a different voice Jul 15 15:34:28 so if one wanted to install all us can it be done in single click or do u have to download 50+ maps Jul 15 15:34:31 I think i will make one that sounds like the computer from portal Jul 15 15:35:01 vol_: how can i force replacing lib on android? adb.exe push lib.so /system/lib says that system is read only Jul 15 15:35:08 blkhawkz: actually, if you don't like the voice, delete it on the sdcard and you get the chance to download a new one. Jul 15 15:35:27 NexVision: you can download all of NA at once (if you got the NA version) Jul 15 15:35:30 vol_: really - I was about to try to create a second one Jul 15 15:35:30 it's about 1.07GB Jul 15 15:35:37 k Jul 15 15:35:37 you can always create your own voices : ) Jul 15 15:35:55 calebr: it should be included in your apk, honestly Jul 15 15:35:59 i have to say the app is very mod friendly Jul 15 15:36:05 calebr: adb remount Jul 15 15:36:09 to get access to /data/data you need to have root access Jul 15 15:36:11 even the dataformat for the skins Jul 15 15:36:42 blkhawkz: :) Jul 15 15:36:46 vol_: is it all java or do you use the native sdk? i noticed copilot came out right when the native sdk was released Jul 15 15:37:10 also i noticed a few libs it installed Jul 15 15:37:15 so my gues its the latter Jul 15 15:37:48 vol_: ok, thx for help Jul 15 15:38:06 blkhawkz: we do use native libs Jul 15 15:39:06 vol_: i needed to copy one of those after i reflashed Jul 15 15:39:10 i just added a button with the id: @+id/Button01 Jul 15 15:39:10 shouldn't something get added to the R.java file now? Jul 15 15:39:19 blkhawkz: that's interesting, the apk should automatically unpack it Jul 15 15:39:35 what is the equivalent of "android create" when making a whole phone and not just apps (i'm not sure of a better way to describe..i'm using repo sync and `make`) Jul 15 15:39:37 vol_: i think i meant "replace" when i said copy Jul 15 15:39:52 I don't think it was part of copilot Jul 15 15:40:14 who here had told me before that they had google apps standard Jul 15 15:40:20 vol_: were you involved with the copilot version for the A780? Jul 15 15:41:10 blkhawkz: no Jul 15 15:41:33 that was before my time, sorry Jul 15 15:42:11 Rhizome are you still here ? Jul 15 15:42:12 ah - main reason i decided to buy copilot for the g1 right away Jul 15 15:42:25 i knew it would be serviceable ;) Jul 15 15:42:31 are most of the android apps paid ? Jul 15 15:42:39 devslash: yup Jul 15 15:43:06 Rhizome howw many email address do you get with google apps standard Jul 15 15:43:14 are most of the android apps paid or free ? Jul 15 15:43:25 50 Jul 15 15:43:31 oh thats plenty Jul 15 15:43:35 indeed :) Jul 15 15:43:36 ok good Jul 15 15:43:47 and does it matter if im setting this up for a small business Jul 15 15:44:01 i mean would google care Jul 15 15:44:26 devslash: actually, most of the apps are free Jul 15 15:44:35 oh ok Jul 15 15:44:39 cool... Jul 15 15:44:42 uh, don't know, don't think so atleast.. have been thinking about doing the same myself, but then i'd probably need premium for the outlook connector. Jul 15 15:44:43 devslash: google doesn't care what you do Jul 15 15:44:50 (I'm guessing, I don't work for them) Jul 15 15:45:05 pffft everyone works for google Jul 15 15:45:07 vol_: So long as they can collect data from it. ;) Jul 15 15:45:07 Rhizome what do you get with premiere that you dont get with standard Jul 15 15:45:11 they own the world Jul 15 15:45:19 and if u have a g1 u work for google Jul 15 15:45:47 Pffft... own the world? They don't even own a video game system. Or a car company. Maybe they could buy GM and turn it around. Jul 15 15:46:20 Greetings Android fanatics. Jul 15 15:46:44 do you guys know? Jul 15 15:47:08 I know nothing. Jul 15 15:47:18 what do you get with gapps premiere that you dont get with standard Jul 15 15:47:23 Google apps has a website you know, might aswell read about it there. Jul 15 15:47:58 i did but they dont have a table like some companies Jul 15 15:48:05 that break it down into each plan Jul 15 15:49:12 as far as features go Jul 15 15:50:05 Rhizome any help would be appreciated Jul 15 16:02:10 * blau-mikeDG was gonna sign up for google aps for you domain until he ralised its $50/user Jul 15 16:03:11 morning all Jul 15 16:03:16 vol did you ever get things up and running last night? Jul 15 16:03:30 not exactly. I ended up putting back on what I think was the build I had on there before I started. Jul 15 16:03:40 I still don't understand what i have to change to get rid of the cache partition Jul 15 16:03:50 is that something in a firmware rom? Jul 15 16:04:04 I wish you could just fire up some magic server software on your root/vps, set it up on your phone and just use it instead of the almighty gmail Jul 15 16:04:22 vol: just by virtue of installing the .2005 SPL it'll happen Jul 15 16:04:32 ... but I did install the 2005 spl. Jul 15 16:04:43 hmm, actually, I don't know if I installed that one. Jul 15 16:04:47 I may have installed another Jul 15 16:04:50 I guess I'll try that one. Jul 15 16:04:53 It doesn't *remove* the cache partition really, it just resizes it Jul 15 16:05:05 yeah, I understand, but the current size is 80MB or so Jul 15 16:05:19 should look like /dev/block/mtdblock3 90.0M 71.5M 18.5M 79% /system Jul 15 16:05:25 90M /system partition Jul 15 16:05:29 my /cache is 30M Jul 15 16:05:42 (busybox df -kh) Jul 15 16:05:56 ooo google apps fyd standard edition Jul 15 16:06:11 i need a company name Jul 15 16:06:16 If your cache partition is 80M then you probably didn't actually get the 2005 SPL installed Jul 15 16:06:24 no, I don't think I did. Jul 15 16:06:28 blau-mikeDG, mikedg.com? Jul 15 16:06:41 u can go into bootloader and check spl Jul 15 16:06:46 i have mikedg.com Jul 15 16:06:57 hold on, hold on :P Jul 15 16:06:58 i fear that will make people not want to contribute though since i basically get all the credit Jul 15 16:07:17 no, this does say 2005 Jul 15 16:07:21 1.33.2005 (SAPP30000) Jul 15 16:08:34 hmm. Jul 15 16:08:52 what does it say above that Jul 15 16:09:42 ENG S-OFF? Jul 15 16:10:36 ENG S-OFF H Jul 15 16:10:43 SAPPHIRE PVT 332B ENG S-OFF H Jul 15 16:11:02 it was G before, though, so I think I put on the A version instead of the B version, so bleh Jul 15 16:11:20 Interesting; well, maybe it's also up to the individual build to partition the memory Jul 15 16:12:00 Since it's not really so much a "ROM" as it is just a system image filestructure :P Jul 15 16:13:06 did you try flashing the latest jachero or cyanogen? Jul 15 16:13:33 I'd give it a whirl if not; jachero for fun and exploration, cyanogen for a stable/usable phone :P Jul 15 16:14:24 nice thing about the built in nandroid restore in the 1.3.1 recovery image is it really makes experimentation that much less time consuming Jul 15 16:23:57 does anyone know when will HTC Hero come and and who will carry it ? Jul 15 16:24:43 where? Jul 15 16:24:51 to USA Jul 15 16:26:02 any suggestions for tsomething cool that DG could be an acronymn for Jul 15 16:26:44 Dolce&Gabbana Jul 15 16:26:50 sigh Jul 15 16:27:07 that was the first result I got from google =p Jul 15 16:27:31 i need one i can use Jul 15 16:29:34 hmm I lack the creativity Jul 15 16:29:46 blau-mikeDG: what is DG? Jul 15 16:30:27 it was an easy way to shorten my last name Jul 15 16:30:33 but i want to make it an acronym for something Jul 15 16:30:37 I don't get it why htc insist on using 3.2" screen. they really should be making 3.5" sreens Jul 15 16:31:05 size definitely matters..... Jul 15 16:31:09 screens* Jul 15 16:37:23 * JesusFreke looks forward to "enlarge your scr33n" spams Jul 15 16:38:17 JesusFreke: you saying your Hero build will increase the size of your SCREENhood Jul 15 16:39:09 you mean that non-existant build that's never going to happen? :) Jul 15 16:39:25 im from the future Jul 15 16:39:35 jesus turns androids into wine Jul 15 16:39:43 ;D Jul 15 16:39:45 maannj, wrong. pixel density matters. Jul 15 16:40:01 KNY: feeling busted today> Jul 15 16:40:08 Leeds, why? Jul 15 16:40:15 JesusFreke: lol exactly Jul 15 16:40:27 blau-mikeDG: it had better be $400 wine :) Jul 15 16:40:28 GV? Jul 15 16:40:32 Leeds, http://evancharlton.com/thoughts/official-google-voice-client-for-android/ Jul 15 16:40:41 ah, I didn't see your thoughts :) Jul 15 16:40:45 Leeds, not really, basically. Jul 15 16:40:52 Leeds, I just wrote when I got back from class. Jul 15 16:41:30 cool... I didn't know your stuff was FOSS - need to look and see what I can steal from it Jul 15 16:41:35 kny: its official now? Jul 15 16:41:45 blau-mikeDG, yes, there's an official one. Mine isn't official. Jul 15 16:41:47 JesusFreke: if we have wine on our androids, we can run win9x binaries badly, right? Jul 15 16:41:53 Leeds, help yourself Jul 15 16:42:21 Leeds: right. I run WoW on my G1 all the time. Jul 15 16:42:31 kny: fuck google, join the dark side, come to web os Jul 15 16:42:47 blau-mikeDG, ha! sprint? CDMA? No thank you. Jul 15 16:43:04 web os isn't even that good Jul 15 16:43:20 webos eats your shit man Jul 15 16:43:24 CDMA? http://es.geocities.com/issavr/ikodare/imagenes/fotos/codama.gif Jul 15 16:43:37 whats that even mean? Jul 15 16:43:40 lol Jul 15 16:44:04 Maxpower57: you know the saying "you are what you eat"? webos eats your shit... Jul 15 16:44:24 anyway, I should bed... 'night all Jul 15 16:44:26 hah Jul 15 16:44:31 peace, Leeds Jul 15 16:45:15 yay i think i can use google docs at work now that i set up google for your domain Jul 15 16:47:38 GAfyD is awesome Jul 15 16:48:32 * Maxpower57 wishes he had a google wave sandbox account :( Jul 15 16:48:32 google docs is a good idea, but kind of sucks Jul 15 16:49:18 * Maxpower57 wishes the hero had a keyboard Jul 15 16:49:23 * Maxpower57 wishes life was fair Jul 15 16:52:49 i wish the hero software was in the diamond 21 body. thats me dream :) Jul 15 16:55:59 i could do that Jul 15 16:56:16 although im not a fan of resistive touch screens Jul 15 16:56:57 come to think of it, im not much a fan of touchscreens at all Jul 15 16:58:50 max: me neither (resistive) Jul 15 16:58:54 err damnit Jul 15 16:58:58 i meant capacitive Jul 15 16:59:14 resistive makes the hit areas so friggen big because theres no way to hit a small spot reliably Jul 15 16:59:26 damnit i mixed them up again Jul 15 16:59:27 i give up Jul 15 16:59:29 blau-mikeDG: stylus Jul 15 16:59:44 styluses are a pain in the ass though Jul 15 17:00:08 I don't want to freaking write on my phone Jul 15 17:00:11 i hate stylus's Jul 15 17:00:15 as long as the UI is designed around the input Jul 15 17:00:21 i just want the option to use a finger nail once in a while Jul 15 17:00:25 i greatly prefer capacitive :) Jul 15 17:00:50 I cant see any reason why anyone wouldnt prefer capacitive Jul 15 17:00:57 and i want the option to program my ui's around that Jul 15 17:01:40 around what? Jul 15 17:01:50 around tiny hit boxes Jul 15 17:02:00 you can do that Jul 15 17:02:16 but noone can reliably hit them on a capacitive screen Jul 15 17:02:21 yes Jul 15 17:02:30 well, depending on size Jul 15 17:03:04 why do you want tiny hit boxes anyway? Jul 15 17:03:26 blau-mikeDG: http://www.targetscheme.com/device.png Jul 15 17:03:58 infrequently changed text boxes in a list Jul 15 17:04:03 that's how I got around the inaccuracy of finger vs stylus Jul 15 17:04:24 ewon: not sure what you mean Jul 15 17:04:37 show a zoomed view when pressed close? Jul 15 17:05:28 that app isn't on the market :( Jul 15 17:05:40 i was totally going to install it Jul 15 17:06:57 i want a proper keyboard, but i also like the option of a touch screen, which is why the treo touch pro is good for me to use together with my magic. I really want a htc touch pro 2 type body, but about 70g lighter Jul 15 17:07:30 hello Jul 15 17:07:48 can someone help getting root on Samsung I7500 galaxy? Jul 15 17:08:02 JesusFreke, maybe you? ;) Jul 15 17:08:10 nope Jul 15 17:08:17 only if you send him a galaxy Jul 15 17:08:21 i have the phone since 2 hours and miss root access ^^ Jul 15 17:08:45 http://www.google.com/search?q=Samsung+I7500+galaxy+root&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a Jul 15 17:08:47 I helped Jul 15 17:08:51 :P Jul 15 17:09:12 you can call me Phil Collins (short for Philidelphia) Jul 15 17:09:16 yea, i know: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qtjVFMZC9M Jul 15 17:09:19 sorry Jul 15 17:09:23 philadelphia. Jul 15 17:10:45 Maxpower57, thanks for the great links. i can read now my own posts :-P Jul 15 17:11:31 zinx: ain't finished yet Jul 15 17:11:37 it will be on the market when it is Jul 15 17:16:32 Maxpower57: that was nasty. You could have at least done the extra work and linked him to http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Samsung+I7500+galaxy+root Jul 15 17:17:25 sammyF, yea, thanks. that helps me much more... Jul 15 17:17:58 :P Jul 15 17:18:06 lubomir: I'm afraid that wasn't the intent. but seriously, If anybody here knew how to root it, you'd find it via google too Jul 15 17:18:43 mustard tiger Jul 15 17:19:04 anyone manage to score an i7500 in .us yet? Jul 15 17:19:07 someone should help me getting some ideas how i could root that myself. I know that there is no solution for that till now. Jul 15 17:19:19 is mustard tiger like snow leopard? Jul 15 17:19:27 legind: next version after snow leopard Jul 15 17:19:30 "mustard tiger 10.7" Jul 15 17:19:36 heh Jul 15 17:19:37 oO Jul 15 17:19:41 running out of names? Jul 15 17:19:51 lubomir: sorry. no idea :/ Jul 15 17:20:52 hm, i would like to port gentoo linux.... now i must use android till root comes :-P Jul 15 17:20:53 for once, Ubuntu will have the cooler name ... "Kosmik Koala" just sounds great ;) Jul 15 17:21:43 Hardy Heron was the best name ever. Jul 15 17:21:47 And Feisty Fawn. Jul 15 17:22:05 Kosmik Koala is too Australian for me! Jul 15 17:22:09 karmic koala? Jul 15 17:24:01 nkohh: or that ;) Jul 15 17:24:25 nkohh: mindfreeze I'm afraid Jul 15 17:26:03 kosmik sounds cooler Jul 15 17:40:55 If everyone used Android we would have WORLD PEACE. Jul 15 17:42:59 because everyone would be busy trying to install the latest hero build Jul 15 17:44:39 hahaha Jul 15 17:45:13 huhu Jul 15 17:45:17 JesusFreke: hi \o Jul 15 17:45:28 vol_: you have a put a 1.33.2005 SPL ? Jul 15 17:45:35 booo on hero Jul 15 17:46:40 NexVision: why boo? Jul 15 17:47:31 u didn't hear? the new fad is to shit on hero, therefore becoming "superior". Jul 15 17:47:36 everyone is all over the hero roms for the g1 and i think its a waste to have 10 diffrent hero roms that ll lag and none work right Jul 15 17:47:48 the hero device i think is great Jul 15 17:47:55 and would be better with keyboard Jul 15 17:48:03 i might agree :) Jul 15 17:48:16 but give it up on g1 Jul 15 17:48:29 or all of u get together and fix the broken shit Jul 15 17:48:38 stop worrying about themes and fix msging Jul 15 17:48:41 fix bluetooth Jul 15 17:48:51 fix lag Jul 15 17:49:07 then release 30,0000 variants Jul 15 17:49:46 and i dunno but the speed hasnt gotten any better then the first one i played with Jul 15 17:50:00 so what the hell is everybody praising Jul 15 17:50:48 ==NexVision Jul 15 17:52:05 ill admit ive flashed everyone of em out there and had to format my ext3 partition numerous times (argggggggggggggggg) Jul 15 17:52:16 tried every method posted with swapper app Jul 15 17:52:20 swap partition Jul 15 17:52:21 hey Jul 15 17:52:28 and THEY ALL SUCK Jul 15 17:52:42 in the end after 5 mins on em i nandroid restore Jul 15 17:52:43 how do i do that adb thing without having to type "cd filename" Jul 15 17:53:04 adb push C:/xxxxxxxxx Jul 15 17:53:21 adb push C:/xxxxxxxxx sdcard/xxxxx or location Jul 15 17:53:25 nexvision, you gotta give it more than 5 mins, 30 mins a t least so it can swap properly and be at it's max potential Jul 15 17:53:34 dont care Jul 15 17:53:36 to Jul 15 17:53:38 i do alot of smsm Jul 15 17:53:40 sms Jul 15 17:53:41 i remember i had to go to a setings window and change it there. Jul 15 17:53:50 my sms's are fine. Jul 15 17:53:51 and if sms dont work theres no point Jul 15 17:53:58 load it Jul 15 17:54:07 k its loaded Jul 15 17:54:07 send yourself 10 msgs right after the other Jul 15 17:54:11 alright Jul 15 17:54:17 from somewhere else Jul 15 17:54:28 on none of em do i get 10 for 10 Jul 15 17:54:36 best i ever got was on 2.63 Jul 15 17:54:42 and i got 7 out of 10 Jul 15 17:55:01 3 so far Jul 15 17:55:01 4 Jul 15 17:55:04 5 Jul 15 17:55:05 6 Jul 15 17:55:13 .... Jul 15 17:55:39 then do it again while loading browser or gmaps Jul 15 17:59:53 JesusFreke, ping Jul 15 18:00:14 get a room for that KNY Jul 15 18:00:17 :-p Jul 15 18:01:35 sorry Jul 15 18:01:37 my friend came over Jul 15 18:01:40 lemme check again Jul 15 18:02:04 hello Jul 15 18:02:21 yep Jul 15 18:02:23 i got all of them Jul 15 18:03:15 i trying to run android on my phone, atm i have telnet access when anbdroid boots Jul 15 18:03:34 does android make some debug log when it's lunching? Jul 15 18:03:51 or maybe i can create debug log (not dmesg) ? Jul 15 18:05:27 i can't do it. i recieve the messages too fast Jul 15 18:05:32 before i can load the maps app Jul 15 18:09:28 @ Aiv Jul 15 18:09:36 adb logcat Jul 15 18:09:39 when restarting your phone Jul 15 18:10:32 i dont know what people are praising Jul 15 18:10:40 imooops, that was like 4 hours ago Jul 15 18:10:50 hi friends, i am working on a new open source library. the main perpose is to communicate with the cellphone via AT commands(3GPP). I am wondering if i could communicate with android phones. thanks in advance! Jul 15 18:12:16 hi all Jul 15 18:13:41 Igashu but i have my phone accessable only via usb0 interface Jul 15 18:14:02 Igashu i see adbd in ps, so i need to connect via adb console, i'm right? Jul 15 18:14:39 Aiv: yes, right now, from your pc console type "adb logcat" Jul 15 18:14:43 and you will see its current status Jul 15 18:14:57 if you do the same when you're restarting the phone, you can watch what it's doing on boot Jul 15 18:15:33 Igashu gr8, can i see logs before my connection? Jul 15 18:15:54 before what connection? Jul 15 18:16:11 phone starts, ..., and when i have usb0 i will connect via adb Jul 15 18:16:21 but what with log before my connection via adb Jul 15 18:16:21 ? Jul 15 18:16:44 as soon as the phone starts, type adb logcat and it will get a connection and start as soon as it can Jul 15 18:16:55 you don't have to wait for it to boot all the way Jul 15 18:16:59 Just at the G1 screen is fine Jul 15 18:17:07 k Jul 15 18:17:09 thx Jul 15 18:17:14 np Jul 15 18:19:07 this is not g1, but i thing u helped me Jul 15 18:21:00 lamusic: yes, that's what is on there. 1.33.2005. Jul 15 18:22:23 when you flash a new rom on a g1 does it delete all your apps Jul 15 18:22:40 vol_: you test install my rom with this spl ? Jul 15 18:22:45 have* Jul 15 18:22:49 g1 is accessable under linux on usb0 interface? Jul 15 18:22:59 * linkmaster_6 'waves hello' Jul 15 18:23:35 when you flash a new rom it does uninstall all your apps Jul 15 18:23:51 can you mass reinstall them from the market Jul 15 18:23:57 lamusic: no, I have not. This is what I did last night, remember? Jul 15 18:24:02 I had 1.33.2005 on there. Jul 15 18:24:09 well you can install them one by one but you cant mass install Jul 15 18:24:17 oh right ok Jul 15 18:24:25 1.33.2005 is the lastest Jul 15 18:24:30 facelessloser: yes, you lose them all because you're doing a factory reset. You can't mass install them, as you put it, but downloading them one by one isn't that big a choore Jul 15 18:24:33 *chore Jul 15 18:24:35 you should have no problem flashing roms Jul 15 18:24:50 linkmaster_6: there are no words for how hard I want to glare. Jul 15 18:24:50 btw when you put a new rom on your phone it takes a while Jul 15 18:24:53 if you use apps2sd does it delete them then Jul 15 18:24:55 lol this HTC IME has iphone in the dictionary Jul 15 18:25:05 vol_: ok, when you have test it, i thinks with spl run, because is all the same on my phone Jul 15 18:25:10 time* Jul 15 18:25:16 please Jul 15 18:25:20 :\ Jul 15 18:25:22 alright, maybe later. Jul 15 18:25:36 btw does anyone on here make apps? Jul 15 18:26:16 linkmaster_6: why Jul 15 18:26:39 ok thanks Jul 15 18:27:01 linkmaster_6: a lot of us, yes. Jul 15 18:27:23 ok cool got a good question Jul 15 18:27:34 i forgot my keystore password am i fucked? Jul 15 18:28:04 if you want to update an app that is already on the market, yes. Jul 15 18:28:06 yes you are. Jul 15 18:28:10 damn Jul 15 18:28:20 ok cool Jul 15 18:28:25 thanks that really sucks Jul 15 18:28:29 the solution a lot of people seem to have found is changing the description to say "ok this app is called THIS now" Jul 15 18:28:33 and then upload it as something else Jul 15 18:28:58 hmmm thats a good idea Jul 15 18:29:15 wont work for my app but good idea Jul 15 18:30:04 thanks Jul 15 18:30:14 np Jul 15 18:32:23 there is no one i could get in contact with right? Jul 15 18:33:22 there is no way to change this. you could notify each user individually if you got their email address via your market account. Jul 15 18:33:34 the point is that your apps are cryptographically signed via this key, so you can't just override it. Jul 15 18:33:50 that signature is also now linked in the marketplace. Jul 15 18:34:17 yeah dude Jul 15 18:34:22 protect your key like its your weiner Jul 15 18:34:24 if you're not on a first name basis with eric chu or something, you're not getting this fixed. Jul 15 18:34:52 vol_, even still, I don't think he could fix it Jul 15 18:35:01 I'm pretty sure the update would fail on the device Jul 15 18:35:06 i would thing goog would have a procedure for this Jul 15 18:35:33 I am not even sure if google knows android exists. Jul 15 18:35:36 So I would not think that. Jul 15 18:35:38 yeah, it's called "protect your key like any other market" Jul 15 18:35:40 Hunterkll, I'm pretty sure the process consists of "Step 0: Don't forget your password. Ever. Step 1: Done." Jul 15 18:35:57 darweth1: google gave all of their employees preproduction G1s as a holiday bonus, and android was a key theme of IO Jul 15 18:35:59 desired: google voice invite. anyone? Jul 15 18:36:05 hell, everyone at IO got a free ION Jul 15 18:36:07 ah. thought he leaked his signing key Jul 15 18:36:12 google gave me a free Android Phone Jul 15 18:36:15 he didn't leak it, he lost it :P Jul 15 18:36:17 vol_, weren't they ADP1s? Jul 15 18:36:20 blau-mikeDG: yeah, then you broke it Jul 15 18:36:25 haha Jul 15 18:36:25 KNY: they may have been Jul 15 18:36:27 kny, no, they are saphires Jul 15 18:36:30 kny! Jul 15 18:36:35 TommyBres, ! Jul 15 18:36:37 oh the employee things were adp1s Jul 15 18:36:42 blau-mikeDG, yeah Jul 15 18:36:46 vol: my ion is all packaged up ready to be shipping to htc Jul 15 18:36:46 gv is better than the official app... Jul 15 18:36:49 you mean the ION phones or the ones google gave their employees Jul 15 18:36:51 you use it yet? Jul 15 18:36:55 the ones at IO were sapphires. Jul 15 18:37:04 TommyBres, http://evancharlton.com/thoughts/official-google-voice-client-for-android/ Jul 15 18:37:15 kny gimme a summary Jul 15 18:37:22 still evaluating the official app Jul 15 18:37:23 on my phone with 2 bars of edge Jul 15 18:37:27 ah Jul 15 18:37:47 i sent them an email with suggestions Jul 15 18:37:59 I hope suggestion #1 was "public API" Jul 15 18:38:14 lol Jul 15 18:38:18 is there an api for tasks yet? Jul 15 18:38:29 psh no Jul 15 18:38:44 suggestion #1 was DONT DOUBLE UP MY FUGGIN CONTACTS Jul 15 18:38:56 TommyBres, ahah does it do that? Jul 15 18:39:02 it adds a contact for everyone you call with google voice Jul 15 18:39:10 forget that nonsense Jul 15 18:39:21 exactly Jul 15 18:39:31 all its useful for is texting Jul 15 18:40:13 has anyone gotten X11 running native yet? xD Jul 15 18:40:42 well, I'm definitely analyzing theirs so we'll see what I can do about GV :) Jul 15 18:41:20 i just want them to steal all of your ideas Jul 15 18:41:28 * KNY makes a note to donate to baksmali later Jul 15 18:41:37 baksmali? Jul 15 18:41:37 how about X11? Jul 15 18:41:38 so it can have official support from google but not suck Jul 15 18:41:51 TommyBres, I would love if they would do that so I can stop getting email from idiots Jul 15 18:41:57 blau-mikeDG, jf.andblogs.net Jul 15 18:42:00 indeed Jul 15 18:42:14 donate to me Jul 15 18:42:20 i want x11 Jul 15 18:42:21 :p Jul 15 18:42:47 lol some guy on market said because its still invite only google shouldnt have released google voice app on market Jul 15 18:43:01 haha Jul 15 18:43:02 i concur Jul 15 18:43:06 i was like ohyeah i forgot, those with invites dont deserve apps Jul 15 18:43:17 of course not Jul 15 18:43:19 i need an invite... Jul 15 18:43:22 * TommyBres smacks blau-mikedg Jul 15 18:43:29 is the invite sys like gmail was Jul 15 18:43:31 uncategorized theyre on ebay Jul 15 18:43:40 <`vip> Hrm, so google has released their voice app now Jul 15 18:43:44 no, its not, very limited amount Jul 15 18:43:56 yes `vip :P Jul 15 18:44:00 what sucks about GV is it's still US only :( Jul 15 18:44:07 i got an invite and cna't do anything with it Jul 15 18:44:08 <`vip> I know someone here makes an app Jul 15 18:44:12 <`vip> What's heir nick here? Jul 15 18:44:14 cry me a rivah! Jul 15 18:44:15 digitalspaghetti, please pass that invite my way :) Jul 15 18:44:16 digi can i have it? Jul 15 18:44:16 <`vip> Their* Jul 15 18:44:25 digitalspaghetti you can give it to me Jul 15 18:44:30 <`vip> <3 my googlevoice Jul 15 18:44:31 lol Jul 15 18:44:32 digi: id like it Jul 15 18:44:39 kny made GV Jul 15 18:44:41 no to hell with you all, i asked first! Jul 15 18:44:42 xD Jul 15 18:44:42 <`vip> Had it about 2 months now :D Jul 15 18:44:50 i made dg alert Jul 15 18:45:01 which rules Jul 15 18:45:01 how does one find an invite? Jul 15 18:45:03 dg alert <3 Jul 15 18:45:19 Hunterkll, you must possess the sorcerer's stone Jul 15 18:45:19 lol Jul 15 18:45:28 dg alert? mike, link me Jul 15 18:45:29 oh Jul 15 18:45:39 its on the market Jul 15 18:45:40 i have dg supersilent and that pwns Jul 15 18:45:52 yeah i dont spend money on your apps Jul 15 18:45:56 thought i had to trade the amulet of yendor for it Jul 15 18:45:57 i don't have the invite anymore, i'd already given it away Jul 15 18:46:02 tommy: i think the latest super silent is on www.mikedg.com/squishee.apk Jul 15 18:46:07 i'm just saying, it sucked :( Jul 15 18:46:10 Hunterkll, me too :( Jul 15 18:46:16 alert is free Jul 15 18:46:18 i learned the hard way when i couldnt refund "dont buy this" or "i am richer" Jul 15 18:46:30 TommyBres, you couldn't refund them? Jul 15 18:46:31 oh niiice Jul 15 18:46:32 can i mine for it? Jul 15 18:46:35 blau-mikedg: is there anyway possible to make individual alerts per contact Jul 15 18:46:41 kny i kid, i kid :P Jul 15 18:46:50 grindking, yeah, it's OSS--patches welcome Jul 15 18:46:51 grind: i had started to work on that and gave up, its open source though Jul 15 18:46:54 id quit android if i blew $250 on that Jul 15 18:46:59 please contribute :) Jul 15 18:47:02 i wish i knew how to code :D Jul 15 18:47:09 TommyBres, I'd recommend quitting life if you did that. Jul 15 18:47:44 [11:46] <grindking> i wish I had a slave to code for me Jul 15 18:47:44 updating all the mx records for my 4 domains to work with google apps for your domain ugh Jul 15 18:47:46 fixed :) Jul 15 18:47:49 Hey Jul 15 18:48:02 blau-mikeDG, it's worth it :) Jul 15 18:48:13 i just realised today it was free Jul 15 18:48:29 AFTER i finally caved in to spending $50 on the premium version Jul 15 18:48:29 haah Jul 15 18:48:36 then i said fuck that after i realised it was per user Jul 15 18:48:42 then i realised theres a non premium version Jul 15 18:48:53 yep Jul 15 18:48:54 lol Jul 15 18:49:01 mikey that was keyguard Jul 15 18:49:09 i dont want keyguard :P Jul 15 18:49:13 @mikedg.com, @ratflu.net, @gorillaflu.com Jul 15 18:49:19 tommy: oh sorry Jul 15 18:49:21 blau-mikeDG: i love the premium version Jul 15 18:49:26 we use it for our side-bidness Jul 15 18:49:30 you might have the latest silent then Jul 15 18:49:32 its ok lol Jul 15 18:49:38 my supersilent works fine Jul 15 18:49:43 though I'm going to flip my personal domains to free version Jul 15 18:49:57 whether recent or not, it does what i need it to Jul 15 18:50:04 now i can segregate app support fromm my personal email a bit ! Jul 15 18:50:08 50 dollars a user is really expensive :( Jul 15 18:50:13 blau-mikeDG: they had the link to the standard edition hidden for a while Jul 15 18:50:15 Haraken, per year Jul 15 18:50:20 dunno why Jul 15 18:50:20 yeah that's crazy Jul 15 18:50:37 Haraken, how is that crazy? How much do you spend on TV per month? Jul 15 18:50:38 now its time to update the emails in all my apps to @mikedg.com Jul 15 18:50:47 i just got logcat from my phone: D/AndroidRuntime( 250): Jul 15 18:50:47 D/AndroidRuntime( 250): >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AndroidRuntime START <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Jul 15 18:50:47 D/AndroidRuntime( 250): CheckJNI is OFF Jul 15 18:50:47 I/dalvikvm( 250): Unknown chunk 0x00000000 ( Jul 15 18:50:47 I/dalvikvm( 250): Unknown chunk 0x00000000 ( Jul 15 18:50:47 I/dalvikvm( 250): Unknown chunk 0x00000000 ( Jul 15 18:50:49 KNY, it's just email. something I can get free anywhere Jul 15 18:50:59 Haraken, then you're free to go elsewhere Jul 15 18:51:00 haraken: its email, docs, etc... Jul 15 18:51:03 it's not "just email" Jul 15 18:51:07 sorry ! Jul 15 18:51:12 Where can I find out how many GPS waypoints the htc magic (G2) can provide at max? Jul 15 18:51:20 i wish fricken tasks sycned with my webos Jul 15 18:51:23 kny, i do go elsewhere :) Jul 15 18:51:23 KNY, funny thing is I get the same service free through google so it doesn't matter if it is 50 a year per user Jul 15 18:51:27 gmail ftw Jul 15 18:51:35 Aiv: pastebin.com Jul 15 18:51:43 blau-mikeDG, set it so it forwards all email to unknown accounts to the same address so you can use alert@mikedg.com, supersilent@mikedg.com, etc Jul 15 18:51:47 blau-mikedg howre you liking the pre Jul 15 18:51:55 Haraken, then it sounds like it's not for you :) Jul 15 18:51:56 itp i have it :) i just press wrong key ;] Jul 15 18:51:56 what should i do with gphoneshop.com ? Jul 15 18:51:57 sorry for it Jul 15 18:52:00 really Jul 15 18:52:06 tommy: love it Jul 15 18:52:10 heh Jul 15 18:52:13 good Jul 15 18:52:24 indeed, if you're happy with free email then google apps isn't meant for you :p Jul 15 18:52:25 If anyone else is in Boston you gotta go to this BerryLine place, just tried it and it's seriously the best frozen yogurt I've ever had Jul 15 18:52:27 haha Jul 15 18:52:27 kny: not sure i want to do that, cant decide though, think thats best and then just label everything that comes in? Jul 15 18:52:28 i might get a gsm webos device when they come out Jul 15 18:52:44 google apps? wut? Jul 15 18:52:48 TommyBres: Abandoning Android? Jul 15 18:52:50 blau-mikeDG, yeah, you can set filters (for example, everything that comes to gv@evancharlton.com gets a GV filter automatically) Jul 15 18:52:55 i just got my logcat: https://privatepaste.com/308caH9ks6 can anybody say me why dalvikvm got SIGSEGV, or when i can start research? Jul 15 18:53:00 Does anyone know which GPS chip is in the htc magic / g2? I'd like to know the max count of points per second Jul 15 18:53:01 igashu boston blows Jul 15 18:53:08 but berryline rox, agreed Jul 15 18:53:17 darweth1 who knows Jul 15 18:53:19 kny, thats probably a much better idea than setting up like 40 accounts :) Jul 15 18:53:22 I don't believe in Frozen Yogurt. Jul 15 18:53:27 i'll keep the adp at the least Jul 15 18:53:29 lol, TommyBres, faulty! Jul 15 18:53:29 But go Red Sox. Jul 15 18:53:37 blau-mikeDG, definitely. Also, you might get more spam, but who cares? they have kickass spam filters Jul 15 18:53:39 boston Jul 15 18:53:41 sux Jul 15 18:53:42 bawlz Jul 15 18:53:43 how can i reply from one of those fake email addresses though ? Jul 15 18:53:51 I am from NYC. Jul 15 18:53:55 But Go red Sox! Jul 15 18:53:55 blau-mikeDG, it goes back from your legit account Jul 15 18:53:58 ew Jul 15 18:53:59 but it's already been tagged Jul 15 18:54:00 Care to elaborate, Tom? :P Jul 15 18:54:09 oh, are you a spankees fan? haha Jul 15 18:54:12 * TommyBres chops red sox fans to itty bitty pieces Jul 15 18:54:13 conversations won't get screwed up? Jul 15 18:54:18 I hate the Yankees. Jul 15 18:54:18 im a mutts fan Jul 15 18:54:22 I like the Mets/Red sox. Jul 15 18:54:27 blau-mikeDG, not for you. It might for them, but I haven't had anyone complain yet Jul 15 18:54:27 i just hate fans thatre trash Jul 15 18:54:34 Even Bostonians like the Mets ;P Jul 15 18:54:36 and red sox fans are trash Jul 15 18:54:37 Mostly Red Sox tho because I like AL much better. Jul 15 18:54:41 blau-mikeDG, gmail uses conversation ID headers to keep it under control, IIRC Jul 15 18:54:51 TommyBres: I've been to Yankee stadium, NY fans aren't any better ;) Jul 15 18:54:55 igashu i lived in ma for like a decade Jul 15 18:54:57 my plan was to set up multiple accounts, but have one main account setup to retrieve from them all Jul 15 18:54:57 There's trash wherever you go Jul 15 18:54:59 blau-mikeDG, just test it with someone else's account and see if you like how it works Jul 15 18:55:02 Most sports are trash. Jul 15 18:55:04 Except Packers. Jul 15 18:55:08 They are really polite. Jul 15 18:55:08 yes, they are much better lol Jul 15 18:55:25 igashu are you from ma? Jul 15 18:55:28 Honestly, I like hating teams more than rooting for them. I am not passionately for anyone. Jul 15 18:55:28 blau-mikeDG, I like it because then I can create throwaway emails without any effort (just give them like att@evancharlton.com) Jul 15 18:55:32 yep Jul 15 18:55:35 But life is amazing when Yankees fans cry. Jul 15 18:55:43 Hating the Yankees is more important than rooting for anyone. Jul 15 18:55:43 what part Jul 15 18:55:56 igashu hes proving my poiny Jul 15 18:55:58 point Jul 15 18:55:59 grew up just north of Boston, town called Stoneham Jul 15 18:56:04 TommyBres: Lol. Jul 15 18:56:06 ah, i know it Jul 15 18:56:09 TommyBres: I have never been to Boston. Jul 15 18:56:19 i lived in lowell for a long while Jul 15 18:56:26 Ah, cool. Spinners games are fun :> Jul 15 18:56:36 yup Jul 15 18:56:37 kny: do you remmember where to set the default address? Jul 15 18:56:39 As is the brewery. Jul 15 18:56:49 blau-mikeDG, one second Jul 15 18:56:49 haha what brewery isnt? Jul 15 18:56:53 Fair enough ;) Jul 15 18:57:03 Many breweries are not fun. Jul 15 18:57:14 o.O Jul 15 18:57:21 found it Jul 15 18:57:23 I'll agree with you though Tommy, some fans (but again, not limited to Sox fans, I've seen it all over) step over the line with their trashiness. Jul 15 18:57:27 darweth1 youre not irish, are you? Jul 15 18:57:34 TommyBres: I am a beer snob. Jul 15 18:57:42 I don't think just anything. Jul 15 18:57:44 drink* Jul 15 18:57:54 visiting the Dogfish brewery was quite possibly one of the greatest experiences in my life :P Jul 15 18:57:58 igashu, nowhere but philly and boston can you find SO MANY trashy fans Jul 15 18:58:02 (okay, hyperbole, but still) Jul 15 18:58:04 I am not a Dogfish Head fan, for example. Jul 15 18:58:12 haha Jul 15 18:58:14 I love Sixpoint, Ommegang, Smuttynose. Jul 15 18:58:22 i remember seeing 7 year olds on the T wearing shirts... Jul 15 18:58:35 Yankees Suck on the front, Jeter Swallows on the back Jul 15 18:58:49 TommyBres: it's the same anywhere, you just see em more in Boston since nobody drives and everyone's on the T ;) Jul 15 18:58:51 7 YEARS OLD with their parents... nowhere in NY do you see that Jul 15 18:58:58 TommyBres: What? Jul 15 18:59:03 You see a lot worse in NYC. Jul 15 18:59:12 i went to 2 subway series games this year Jul 15 18:59:24 ive been to sox/yanks in fenway and yankee stadium Jul 15 18:59:38 been to subway series games at the old yankee, shea, and citi Jul 15 18:59:51 dont try telling me what fans are like Jul 15 19:00:01 shame about shea Jul 15 19:00:08 TommyBres: It is just dumb generalizing fans. Jul 15 19:00:12 eh, it was home Jul 15 19:00:14 I think most Mets fans are beyond dumb. Jul 15 19:00:15 And I am one. Jul 15 19:00:19 I hate going to Citi/Shea. Jul 15 19:00:21 Disgusting. Jul 15 19:00:22 but citi is so gorgeous i dont miss it Jul 15 19:00:30 Citi is not gorgeous. Jul 15 19:00:32 It is hideous. Jul 15 19:00:34 But the shake Shack is nice. Jul 15 19:00:36 .... Jul 15 19:00:42 you are retarded, sir Jul 15 19:00:43 Citi looks cookie cutter. Jul 15 19:00:45 i going to citi on aug 1 Jul 15 19:00:47 Mass-produced. Jul 15 19:00:51 obviously not a baseball fan Jul 15 19:00:51 Nothing special about it. Jul 15 19:00:57 TommyBres: I am a baseball fan. :) Jul 15 19:01:04 outside looks just like ebbets field Jul 15 19:01:06 There is nothing special about Citi and the outfield angles are terrible. Jul 15 19:01:24 the high wall in left and deep right center directly resemble the polo grounds Jul 15 19:01:35 but nothing special about it ahaha Jul 15 19:01:53 That is right. :) Jul 15 19:01:59 But the new Yankee stadium is much worse. Jul 15 19:02:02 look at a picture of the shot heard round the world, the bobby thompson home run for the ny giants Jul 15 19:02:26 k, lets stop talking Jul 15 19:02:31 done Jul 15 19:02:32 But you are right... I do like soccer and hockey much more than baseball. Jul 15 19:02:37 youre not just a beer snob, youre a snob Jul 15 19:02:48 :P Jul 15 19:05:22 Anyone know how to get hold of cyanogen? Jul 15 19:05:34 @cyanogen on twitter Jul 15 19:05:44 or hit him up on xda Jul 15 19:06:41 itp:thanks Jul 15 19:08:48 * Wickednix spins in circles Jul 15 19:09:29 * Wickednix holds mouth and looks at Tommy Jul 15 19:09:32 Does anyone know which GPS chip is in the htc magic / g2? I'd like to know the max count of points per second Jul 15 19:10:06 huh Jul 15 19:11:43 Max points per second would be enough info - chipset is not required ;) Jul 15 19:11:56 * Wickednix shrugss Jul 15 19:12:32 Does anyone here have google voice? I'm reading news stories that invites have been sent, and I submitted my email for an invite some time ago, but haven't gotten one... Jul 15 19:13:06 savid, keep waiting I have not got my invite either Jul 15 19:13:07 I guess maybe they're just opening it up to select users? Jul 15 19:13:12 :-( Jul 15 19:16:28 (artificial scarcity)-- Jul 15 19:17:02 oh google voice on the market, must try with my one account Jul 15 19:17:54 what would cause my G1 from playing media? i.e., no sound (through buds or speaker) from music player, stream furious, etc. Rings and notification sounds can be heard, however, as well as phone calls. Jul 15 19:19:03 media volume turned down Jul 15 19:19:29 mmattice, nope media volume is 80%; toyed around with that to no avail Jul 15 19:20:00 this has happened before and I would end up rebooting the phone. that shouldn't be necessary IMO Jul 15 19:25:42 anyone having trouble with liveandroid and virtualbox 3.0? Jul 15 19:29:13 woot, i got my replacement adp1 today Jul 15 19:29:21 it came stock with rc29 on it too Jul 15 19:29:38 nice Jul 15 19:29:42 r2nrut: Woot!!! Jul 15 19:29:53 back to work!!! Jul 15 19:30:58 nothing going on today? Jul 15 19:32:11 Looking around on the android platform, I keep seeing variables that start with the letter m. I'm sure there's a reason for it, but I can't figure it out. Any theories? Jul 15 19:32:51 presumably the Google Voice for Android app (at m.google.com/voice ?) is saying "Sorry, Google Voice is not supported on your device" because I'm in the UK? Jul 15 19:33:16 m = google voice? Jul 15 19:33:27 r3nrut: m=mobile Jul 15 19:33:32 google voice is only in the US right now Jul 15 19:34:02 m=mom Jul 15 19:34:08 and to very few for a few more weeks Jul 15 19:34:33 * Hazelesque has received an invite, since she put her email address in the "tell me when it's ready" form Jul 15 19:34:50 but obviously can't redeem it till they open it up to the UK (probably some time after the heat death of the universe?) Jul 15 19:35:08 Hazelesque: when did you do that? Jul 15 19:35:30 but was just curious to look at the app... it seems it's in the Android Market, which is interesting, given my device is in the UK Jul 15 19:35:52 Qwell: uhh, no idea, ages ago? I will see if I have a "thanks for your interest..." email Jul 15 19:36:17 did that too and I am still waiting Jul 15 19:36:36 Wickednix: m=mobile was my theory too. But why bother putting an m in front of everything? The whole bloody device is mobile, right? Jul 15 19:36:36 got an invite on Jul 9th. Jul 15 19:37:11 r3nrut: I think you may have the best theory. m=mom. In any case, it's not some java convention that I'm not aware of, so that's good. Jul 15 19:37:27 presumably I shouldn't install the app if I don't have a working Google Voice account, because it will do Bad Things to my ability to Just Use My Phone(TM)? Jul 15 19:37:30 mlissner: http:// ... Jul 15 19:37:49 mlissner, true, but whedn diddid I put m=mobile Jul 15 19:38:16 wow, conputer or fingers are drunk Jul 15 19:39:06 Wickednix: My bad, that was meant for Qwell. Apparently computer eyes are drunk too. Jul 15 19:39:09 Hazelesque, I doubt it Jul 15 19:39:16 all good Jul 15 19:39:21 Hazelesque, but it's pointless to do so Jul 15 19:40:13 KNY: well, quite. I'm just bored :P Jul 15 19:40:14 wow, laggg Jul 15 19:40:25 nlissner: mom = mothership Jul 15 19:40:27 Wickednix: wow, consonantsssss Jul 15 19:40:28 Hazel took my gVoice invite Jul 15 19:40:33 Wickednix: :P Jul 15 19:40:47 Wickednix: you can have a gTFO if you want? ;) Jul 15 19:41:05 why would I want to gtfo? Jul 15 19:42:42 KNY: I'm sure you were already asked this a ton of times... but what's the major difference between Google's version of voice and your client? Jul 15 19:42:55 RyeBrye, theirs is official? Jul 15 19:43:07 RyeBrye, I'm told that mine has more features, but theirs is faster Jul 15 19:43:16 they don't have callback dialing, for example Jul 15 19:43:31 gotcha Jul 15 19:43:43 That's kind of a biggie for some use cases Jul 15 19:43:49 (not saying which ones) ;) Jul 15 19:44:02 RyeBrye, their method of dialing out also breaks that use case Jul 15 19:44:16 yay new cyaogen release Jul 15 19:44:19 * Wickednix ponders when GenericToad will be on Jul 15 19:44:23 Oh? how do they do the dialing? they just dial one trunk line or something? Jul 15 19:44:24 really blak? Jul 15 19:44:27 all calls get dropped and redirected to some 347 number, sort of like how their SMS functionality works Jul 15 19:44:32 3.6.7? Jul 15 19:44:42 makes sense. Jul 15 19:44:51 RyeBrye, I've only called one number and it went to 347xxx0001 so I assume each contact gets a one-to-one mapping, like SMS Jul 15 19:45:09 that's interesting Jul 15 19:45:19 yeah Jul 15 19:45:40 blkhawk: what version Jul 15 19:45:47 unfortunately, I feel that this will make my app's reputation as the "get free calling zomg" app even more solid Jul 15 19:47:14 perhaps Jul 15 19:47:16 Not necessarily the worst association in the world. Jul 15 19:47:26 At least it'll bring more users to the app. Jul 15 19:47:31 Igashu, it is when that's not why I wrote the app Jul 15 19:47:50 True, but the initial hook may bring people in and then they'll discover the breadth of features GV actually provides. Jul 15 19:48:03 (both your app and google's infrastructure) Jul 15 19:48:27 3.6.6 Jul 15 19:48:39 not 3.6.7 yet Jul 15 19:48:47 * darweth1 believes in user interpretation of applications, not authorial intent. Jul 15 19:48:56 i hadn't checked yesterday so i guess i might be a tad slow in noticing :) Jul 15 19:49:01 I was trying to find a way recently to forward my voicemail to GV and maybe set it as do not disturb so I could just use GV as my voicemail provider Jul 15 19:49:04 blkhawk: most people are holding off on 3.6.6, cyanogen said 3.6.7 is being worked on for tonight Jul 15 19:49:14 Igashu, I've got that documented; let me find it Jul 15 19:49:15 blkhawk: i ended up nandroiding back to 3.6.5 after trying it out Jul 15 19:49:24 If I could get the voice-to-email transcription from GV there'd be no more need for PhoneFusion really Jul 15 19:50:26 Igashu, home -> menu -> settings -> call settings -> call forwarding -> set them all to your GV number Jul 15 19:50:41 (but leave "Always forward" to "disabled") Jul 15 19:51:12 But then will that just forward it to my GV and then it will ring my other phones attached to my GV number? Jul 15 19:51:39 oh Jul 15 19:51:43 good to know Jul 15 19:51:50 * blkhawk reads the comments Jul 15 19:52:03 tonight == morning for me probably ;) Jul 15 19:52:44 Igashu, I believe so, not sure though Jul 15 19:52:57 I'll have to mess around with it a bit :) Jul 15 19:53:04 Igashu, let me know what you find Jul 15 19:53:14 Will do. Jul 15 19:53:37 seems like there is a bug in the camera and music.apk Jul 15 19:54:13 Is the image quality of the HTC camera really that much better, or is it just the additional filters and options that people like? Jul 15 19:54:33 I really dislike the filenaming convention it uses as opposed to the Google camera. Jul 15 19:56:29 IMAG0005.jpg vs 2009-06-20 12.17.40.jpg Jul 15 19:56:53 one seems considerably more useful and informative to me :D Jul 15 19:58:50 Igashu: it isn't useful to know that it's the 5th image in a series? Jul 15 20:00:35 its all exif anyway Jul 15 20:00:52 vol_: BTW - love that Go to image feature Jul 15 20:01:06 vol_: made me shit bricks when i tried it first Jul 15 20:01:09 Qwell: not really, when the aforementioned "series" is "every photo I ever took on my phone" :) Jul 15 20:01:37 and yeah I know it's all in exif, but that just means I have to write a photo renamer app :P Jul 15 20:01:45 blkhawk: huh? Jul 15 20:01:48 oh that Jul 15 20:01:49 haha Jul 15 20:02:01 congratulations on being probably the first person to use it for real : ) Jul 15 20:03:16 just kidding Jul 15 20:03:31 KNY: WUT Jul 15 20:03:38 there is google voice app now? Jul 15 20:03:41 AakashPatel, yes Jul 15 20:03:46 http://evancharlton.com/thoughts/official-google-voice-client-for-android/ Jul 15 20:03:51 before you start asking me questions, haha Jul 15 20:03:52 o.o Jul 15 20:03:54 woah Jul 15 20:03:57 * AakashPatel downloads it Jul 15 20:03:59 hehe Jul 15 20:05:22 vol_: no really did you come up with that idea? Jul 15 20:05:43 blkhawk: no, that's been there for quite some time, actually Jul 15 20:06:08 well the last copilot version i used was on my a780 -and thats from 04 Jul 15 20:06:22 yeah, I think it may be newer than that. Jul 15 20:06:23 RyeBrye, I take it back: all calls go to +134723450001 Jul 15 20:06:45 in 04 a mobile with GPS was something special Jul 15 20:07:04 how to get an usable shell on the android? Jul 15 20:07:12 (with history and tab completion) Jul 15 20:07:18 FreakGuard: haha Jul 15 20:07:26 history and tab comepleation Jul 15 20:07:40 KNY: i can't believe they released their official app with bugs like "creates a duplicate contact for every contact you call" Jul 15 20:07:45 blkhawk, there's an up key and there's a tab. what's your problem? Jul 15 20:07:48 itp, yeah, that's goofy Jul 15 20:07:56 somebody should compile that into busybox Jul 15 20:08:36 seems like a luxury item somehow ;) Jul 15 20:10:06 blkhawk, I don't want to go back to windows times Jul 15 20:11:57 windows has tab compleation ;D Jul 15 20:12:00 and a history Jul 15 20:13:47 even MSdos can recall the last command entered with f3 Jul 15 20:13:55 all the way back to msdos 3.2 Jul 15 20:16:08 FreakGuard: rooted builds will give you an ok shell. if you want, you could always try and cross compile a real version of bash, but that might be a tall order. Jul 15 20:16:31 vol_, I've got the JesusFreke build, but the shell there somehow sucks Jul 15 20:16:36 or I've misssed something Jul 15 20:18:46 Anyone here have a Magic with 3 in Sweden? Jul 15 20:19:15 FreakGuard: it's the standard simple busybox shell Jul 15 20:19:23 the reason it's so simple is because it's meant to have a tiny footprint Jul 15 20:19:27 bash is, relatively, huge. Jul 15 20:19:51 pfft Jul 15 20:20:04 at least some tab completion might make it usable Jul 15 20:20:11 KNY: lol are you gonna still develop your app? Jul 15 20:20:11 I don't want a zsh Jul 15 20:20:18 this one is nice XD Jul 15 20:20:24 AakashPatel, did you read that link? Jul 15 20:20:25 is there a sip client for android ? im not really a fan of sipdroid Jul 15 20:20:46 AakashPatel, http://evancharlton.com/thoughts/official-google-voice-client-for-android/ Jul 15 20:20:54 no Jul 15 20:20:56 i cant read Jul 15 20:21:45 oooo Jul 15 20:21:56 FreakGuard: tried typing "busybox sh" ? Jul 15 20:22:21 FreakGuard: the busybox shell is at least somewhat nicer than the default android shell Jul 15 20:22:35 s/android/toolbox/ ? Jul 15 20:23:07 Hazelesque, I've installed a busybox Jul 15 20:23:17 and it looks usable Jul 15 20:24:27 i bet google doesn't really release their official software through http://evancharlton.com . plus i am asking about SIP, not google voice, not quite the same thing Jul 15 20:24:35 Freak: it has the command history and tab completion you were looking for :) Jul 15 20:24:37 hazelesque, how are you feeling??? Jul 15 20:24:41 so it should be plenty usable Jul 15 20:24:42 loooong time no talk Jul 15 20:24:53 teratoma: no one was talking to you Jul 15 20:24:58 teratoma: it was another conversation Jul 15 20:25:14 teratoma, ahaha, see how I address AakashPatel ? thanks. Jul 15 20:25:26 s/address/addressed/ Jul 15 20:26:48 lol Jul 15 20:26:59 FreakGuard: "installed a busybox"? JF builds should include one in xbin. Jul 15 20:27:41 TommyBres: doing OK actually. Jul 15 20:27:48 the painkillers help, heh Jul 15 20:28:08 thats good :) Jul 15 20:28:14 get well soonsoonsoon Jul 15 20:28:21 thankies :) Jul 15 20:28:40 TommyBres: still hurts a bit to lift a full pint glass of water with my left arm, heh Jul 15 20:28:44 idk if youve talked to san, but when i told him what happened he was quite concerned and sends his best :P Jul 15 20:28:57 what happened? Jul 15 20:29:01 I missed something Jul 15 20:29:02 (generally when filling said glass at the tap) Jul 15 20:29:09 Hazelesque, ups Jul 15 20:29:13 KNY: I missed something too... seeing the taxi coming :P Jul 15 20:29:29 Hazelesque, hah, that sucks. I hope you cashed in, though Jul 15 20:29:34 :) Jul 15 20:29:42 KNY: nah, I think I was probably being a numpty. Jul 15 20:30:10 * Hazelesque is now optimising for paranoia when crossing the road :P Jul 15 20:30:15 haha Jul 15 20:30:17 shes not in the states Jul 15 20:30:18 people there dont sue every time they fall Jul 15 20:30:44 Tommy you're a professional hater I see :D Jul 15 20:30:52 TommyBres, the insurance companies steal from you, you steal from them. Jul 15 20:31:09 thievery all around! :D Jul 15 20:31:11 hooray! Jul 15 20:31:14 um, yay? Jul 15 20:31:15 (and it should be noted that I've never "cashed in" on insurance; I'm not a whiner) Jul 15 20:31:23 I was joking Jul 15 20:31:32 KNY: :P Jul 15 20:31:55 lol Jul 15 20:32:02 so, anyway Jul 15 20:32:24 anything worth doing in Milton Keynes? (Yes, I've been to Bletchley Park. Twice.) Jul 15 20:32:32 (In the past year.) Jul 15 20:32:54 someone want to help me go through these baksmali dumps? :) Jul 15 20:32:58 (and The National Museum of Computing, which is on the same site) Jul 15 20:33:27 KNY: pong Jul 15 20:33:39 JesusFreke, mind if I /msg? Jul 15 20:33:48 sure Jul 15 20:33:57 lol Jul 15 20:35:14 TommyBres: also, haven't talked to SanMehat since, not seen him about when I've been in channel. tell him to PM me if he wants :)... I'm being lazy and using Xchat, so I'm still not sure whether I'm getting highlighted messages or not. Jul 15 20:35:44 yeah he's been coming here less often Jul 15 20:35:54 ah, too many whiners? or...? ;) Jul 15 20:40:34 bah Jul 15 20:40:50 humbug Jul 15 20:40:59 anyone know how to copy text from an email in k-9? Jul 15 20:41:05 sup all figured out how to listen to police Jul 15 20:41:13 ? Jul 15 20:41:20 ? Jul 15 20:41:34 hang out near the station? Jul 15 20:41:41 lol Jul 15 20:41:45 buy a police scanner? Jul 15 20:41:46 nah Jul 15 20:41:46 buy a scanner? Jul 15 20:41:49 talk to them? Jul 15 20:41:56 go to a donut shop? Jul 15 20:42:00 there are online streams Jul 15 20:42:06 I have a phone that can do it why buy Jul 15 20:42:10 eh Jul 15 20:42:14 I know Jul 15 20:42:16 well, uh, good to know. Jul 15 20:42:20 yeah Jul 15 20:42:20 one of my friends setup speech2text from an online stream of police scanners Jul 15 20:42:27 lolwat Jul 15 20:42:35 I use the stream address on a streaming app Jul 15 20:42:37 he was able to get all kinds of info, people's ss#'s, dl#'s, license plate, full name, home addy, etc Jul 15 20:42:42 pretty kewl Jul 15 20:42:48 Guest68804: that is pure genius. Jul 15 20:43:00 any apps that do voip on android, particularly using jabber protocol? Jul 15 20:43:09 difekta: google voice? Jul 15 20:43:17 I would be amazed if the cops were reading SSNs over the radio. Jul 15 20:43:22 they are Jul 15 20:43:24 vol_: o.O Jul 15 20:43:26 wut? Jul 15 20:43:31 google voice goes over ip? Jul 15 20:43:35 that's voip isn't it? Jul 15 20:43:37 vol_: google voice will do jabber calls? Jul 15 20:43:37 oh shoot no it's not Jul 15 20:43:38 where is this? Jul 15 20:43:41 tremendous brain fart Jul 15 20:43:42 ignore me Jul 15 20:43:44 sipdroid :P Jul 15 20:43:45 lol Jul 15 20:44:00 vol_: sipdroid eh? sip is kinda sucky, but that's interesting. Jul 15 20:44:03 nah I don't think so anymore they have computers Jul 15 20:44:03 they used to Jul 15 20:44:14 they still do sometimes Jul 15 20:44:18 this was like 2 months ago Jul 15 20:44:20 that he did this Jul 15 20:44:33 if no comp is avi probably Jul 15 20:44:50 i meant jingle, not jabber... Jul 15 20:44:51 right, the data services probably aren't as broad as the radio services Jul 15 20:45:23 I remember hacking a ham radio to speak over drive through windows Jul 15 20:45:28 lol Jul 15 20:45:28 how do I install Haykuros keyboard on my htc magic? Jul 15 20:45:33 ive had it automatically with some roms Jul 15 20:45:36 but its not included int he ion rom Jul 15 20:45:57 its the htc keyboard, comes with htc images Jul 15 20:46:06 has nothin to do with haykuro himself Jul 15 20:46:08 search for "Touch Input" Jul 15 20:46:22 ugh Jul 15 20:46:24 the regular keyboard works fine Jul 15 20:46:27 i want to install haykuros Jul 15 20:46:39 What Tommy said. It's not Haykuro's keyboard. Jul 15 20:46:48 It's the HTC Touch Input Jul 15 20:47:01 and it's different than the stock keyboard Jul 15 20:47:10 im outta here, ttyl guise Jul 15 20:47:14 It's different than the stock Google keyboard, yes. Jul 15 20:47:20 Seeya Tommy Jul 15 20:47:23 jpaa, its htc's keyboard, not google's Jul 15 20:47:32 comes on the non google branded magic Jul 15 20:47:32 k so i didnt ask to differentiate who made it Jul 15 20:47:34 im asking how to install it Jul 15 20:47:37 no it doesn Jul 15 20:47:37 t Jul 15 20:47:38 lates Jul 15 20:47:40 i have a non-google branded one Jul 15 20:47:47 and the keyboard is just regular numbers Jul 15 20:47:53 have to press teh "123." button to get to numbers Jul 15 20:47:57 yes I understand Jul 15 20:48:02 :) Jul 15 20:48:13 The one you're looking for is called "Touch Input" Jul 15 20:48:36 perhas you're not understanding me Jul 15 20:48:45 why is it that google talk contacts appear twice in your phone...if you also have their number Jul 15 20:48:48 i go to my text & locale settings Jul 15 20:48:50 its set to touch input Jul 15 20:48:53 but its still default keyboard Jul 15 20:48:53 it is possible to have just one contact? Jul 15 20:48:56 bah fuck i dont have time for this Jul 15 20:49:01 gotta go to work Jul 15 20:49:13 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=516396 Jul 15 20:49:26 Oh well, patience is a virtue. Jul 15 20:53:44 uncategorized, contacts -> menu -> display groups Jul 15 21:00:24 damn Jul 15 21:00:26 my router is still froze Jul 15 21:01:08 brb Jul 15 21:01:17 eh google voice app huh Jul 15 21:03:13 yah, lazy Jul 15 21:03:20 I likes it Jul 15 21:03:38 you got your invite? Jul 15 21:03:43 oh wait Jul 15 21:03:44 nevermind Jul 15 21:03:49 not yet Jul 15 21:04:01 yh, nvm Jul 15 21:04:05 lols Jul 15 21:04:09 i haz gewgle voice Jul 15 21:04:11 i like the app Jul 15 21:04:20 yeah its kool Jul 15 21:04:24 Nobody likes you. Jul 15 21:04:56 me? Jul 15 21:05:12 Thanks GenericNode makes me feel good on the inside Jul 15 21:05:14 :P Jul 15 21:05:18 wrong window Jul 15 21:05:19 lol Jul 15 21:05:42 haha Jul 15 21:06:39 hmmm Jul 15 21:07:02 on VPN is all of your traffic tunnel through your network? Jul 15 21:07:35 :-) Jul 15 21:08:18 wtf, on my network switch, you can *only* configure it through IE Jul 15 21:08:45 ouch Jul 15 21:09:19 more than an ouch Jul 15 21:10:45 hmmm Jul 15 21:11:01 on dd-wrt, can i made it so that each dhcp client is on thier own vlan? Jul 15 21:11:06 a network switch that is pro M$. Interesting Jul 15 21:11:17 linksys srw2008mp Jul 15 21:11:23 ^tahts the switch Jul 15 21:12:26 wtf, I use FF on my linksys stuff Jul 15 21:12:59 yeah me too Jul 15 21:13:04 even with my 3 wrt54g's Jul 15 21:13:05 its just that damn switch Jul 15 21:13:59 throw it in the trash Jul 15 21:14:06 haha Jul 15 21:14:15 its like 300-400 bucks Jul 15 21:14:57 now back to my vlan question Jul 15 21:16:19 I think you can, but you have to bridge them if you want them to communicate with each other Jul 15 21:16:37 well Jul 15 21:16:41 this is at a hotel Jul 15 21:16:48 so i dont want them to be able to see or talk to each other Jul 15 21:17:28 should be able to but what is the limit of ddrt vlan, ad in how many can you have Jul 15 21:17:32 * TommyBres pokes Jul 15 21:17:34 someone Jul 15 21:17:41 * Wickednix giggles Jul 15 21:18:30 o.o Jul 15 21:18:49 haha i love the face chatzilla makes when i do that Jul 15 21:18:50 o.o Jul 15 21:19:03 o_0 Jul 15 21:19:09 o.O Jul 15 21:19:12 it replaces it with an epic emoticon Jul 15 21:19:20 yes, and that last one was replaced as well... o.O i guess Jul 15 21:19:23 O.o Jul 15 21:19:33 hasnt used chatzilla in ages Jul 15 21:19:51 yeah i have xchat on my broken laptop, but i didnt wanna install another program on this computer (it's not mine) Jul 15 21:19:57 easier to hide an add-on :) Jul 15 21:20:00 i use chatzillla XD Jul 15 21:20:23 xchat is a much more complete client, but this is pretty solid all things considered Jul 15 21:20:42 * TommyBres is about to start a HORSE tournament with 7500 people Jul 15 21:20:49 need to be in the top 64 Jul 15 21:20:52 if i was working then I would probably use chatzilla Jul 15 21:21:00 * TommyBres got 295th in his last 6400-person tournament :( Jul 15 21:21:04 im gonna backup my router before doing crap Jul 15 21:21:05 i use konversation Jul 15 21:21:23 uses x-chat aqua Jul 15 21:21:24 aakashpatel_ what're you gonna go with DDWRT? Jul 15 21:21:40 well, i was using a web-based irc client on this computer... loq IRC Jul 15 21:21:46 it's fine, but veryvery basic, no tab complete even Jul 15 21:21:48 think he is going to take over the world Jul 15 21:21:54 what am i going to do? Jul 15 21:22:02 wif dd-wrt? Jul 15 21:22:19 dd-wrt is a modified firmware for linksys routers Jul 15 21:22:26 yes Jul 15 21:22:27 i know Jul 15 21:22:28 it pwns, makes it so much bettar Jul 15 21:22:29 i have it Jul 15 21:22:31 lol Jul 15 21:22:31 ok... Jul 15 21:22:41 i thought thats why you were talking about backing up, because you were flashing it Jul 15 21:22:54 i'm trying to set it up so that every client that connects via a certain port gets thier own vlan Jul 15 21:23:00 ah Jul 15 21:24:22 hmmm Jul 15 21:24:28 i just set port 2 to NONE Jul 15 21:24:35 lets see what that does XD Jul 15 21:24:37 brb Jul 15 21:24:46 * Wickednix waves Jul 15 21:26:55 hey, so im just start with the hello world example. is there a quick way to "recompile the app without having to restart the emulator every time, its very slow to boot up... Jul 15 21:26:59 hmm Jul 15 21:27:03 idk wtf happned lol Jul 15 21:27:33 qwat happen Jul 15 21:27:34 BoomShaka: just press the power button Jul 15 21:27:37 i think Jul 15 21:27:41 heh Jul 15 21:27:47 Wickednix: uhh..i set port 1 to its own vlan Jul 15 21:27:53 now...wtf did that do lol Jul 15 21:28:27 twois10, hmm, think i tried that before. lemme try again Jul 15 21:28:40 hmmm, lods one of his routers Jul 15 21:29:04 it gave me an ip Jul 15 21:29:09 192.168.1.117 Jul 15 21:30:10 same Ip as the main lan? Jul 15 21:30:17 yea Jul 15 21:30:41 if i set bridging to none my comp self assigns an ip Jul 15 21:31:30 hmmm, Jul 15 21:31:46 how would the ip look differnet? Jul 15 21:31:53 if my main lan is 192.168.1.* Jul 15 21:32:14 would i be like 192.168.2.something? Jul 15 21:32:56 I have never used the vlans on ddrt. On higher end routers you specify the vlan IP Jul 15 21:33:36 err wait a min, so this would just make everything connected to that all in one lan? Jul 15 21:36:19 * AakashPatel looks for a way to make all clients connected via a switch to that port in thier own lan Jul 15 21:36:20 so it seems the emulator is not "hot deployable" i.e. it is not possible to make a code change and run it without rebooting the whole fangled emulator... joy Jul 15 21:42:41 is stumped on how to use vlans on this firmware Jul 15 21:44:16 http://www.geek-pages.com/articles/latest/dd-wrt_-_setting_up_a_separate/isolated_vlan_on_port_4_with_dhcp_4.html Jul 15 21:44:30 thats not really what i want, but will help me get started Jul 15 21:44:46 I read that one too Jul 15 21:47:37 test Jul 15 21:47:37 ping Jul 15 21:47:47 ong Jul 15 21:47:52 pong Jul 15 21:53:51 Wickednix: is it normal for 192.168.2.* address's to be able to acces 192.168.1.* addresses? Jul 15 21:53:57 even though bridging is disabled Jul 15 21:54:24 shouldnt be able to unless they are bridged Jul 15 21:54:29 uhhh Jul 15 21:54:31 well Jul 15 21:54:56 im on 192.168.2.117 Jul 15 21:55:02 and i can still access my router at 192.168.1.1 Jul 15 21:55:33 umm, but can you ping a computer that is on the 192.168.1.xx Jul 15 21:55:51 or say see the computer Jul 15 21:55:58 uh lemme see Jul 15 21:56:29 because i can access my routers from 172.22.14.xx when they are 172.22.13.xx Jul 15 21:56:43 but I cant ping them Jul 15 21:56:47 oh sweet Jul 15 21:56:49 i cant Jul 15 21:56:50 :D Jul 15 21:56:55 cool Jul 15 21:57:33 now its time to figure out how to make the dhcp server assign each client their own vlan :/ Jul 15 21:57:53 right now i got port 4 giving everyone on that port 1 vlan Jul 15 21:58:40 hmm...oh shit, i just realized all my ap Jul 15 21:58:47 's and switchs are on 192.168.1.* Jul 15 21:58:55 and i just put them on .2.* Jul 15 21:59:19 The rv082 router makes what you are doing so much eaiser Jul 15 22:02:31 how do I install HTC IME? Jul 15 22:03:10 hmm Jul 15 22:03:12 oh wait Jul 15 22:03:14 this isnt possible Jul 15 22:03:45 o_O Jul 15 22:03:59 cuz my ap's have static ip's Jul 15 22:04:11 how are they gonna be able to handle ip's outside thier range Jul 15 22:05:23 put them on those switches of that vlan and static ip them? Jul 15 22:06:03 yeah, but i wanted to see if was also possible to have *every* client thier own vlan Jul 15 22:06:26 that was connected via that switch Jul 15 22:06:50 hi anyone here Jul 15 22:06:55 no Jul 15 22:06:58 we're on break Jul 15 22:07:01 hi lol Jul 15 22:07:05 u ok Jul 15 22:07:08 yep Jul 15 22:07:11 ok Jul 15 22:07:11 sup Jul 15 22:07:18 not much bored Jul 15 22:07:25 damn it, who innteruppted me on my break Jul 15 22:07:30 lol Jul 15 22:07:39 * Wickednix makes a pissed off face Jul 15 22:08:08 wot u upto Jul 15 22:08:34 is on nasa website watching the shuttle luanch Jul 15 22:08:41 launch* Jul 15 22:08:41 ok Jul 15 22:09:01 im in bed Jul 15 22:09:10 nekkid? Jul 15 22:09:16 wot Jul 15 22:09:22 lmao Jul 15 22:09:27 ??? Jul 15 22:09:50 asked you if you are naked in bed? Jul 15 22:09:55 oh no Jul 15 22:09:57 lol Jul 15 22:10:01 sighs Jul 15 22:10:03 then gtfo! Jul 15 22:10:07 we only like nekkid people Jul 15 22:10:17 got nitedress and underwear Jul 15 22:10:21 on Jul 15 22:10:58 pffft, is at my desk with only flip flops Jul 15 22:11:06 hmm Jul 15 22:11:12 i see Jul 15 22:11:17 how do i put the wireless part on vlan also Jul 15 22:12:19 ummmm Jul 15 22:12:35 pffft, is at my desk with only flip flops Jul 15 22:12:46 I was wearing Domo-Kun slippers at my desk today Jul 15 22:12:55 :| Jul 15 22:12:58 http://www.geek-pages.com/articles/latest/dd-wrt_-_setting_up_a_separate/isolated_vlan_on_port_4_with_dhcp_3.html Jul 15 22:13:13 looks like maybe some command line work apatel Jul 15 22:13:17 Really throws the employees off Jul 15 22:13:36 Wickednix: i just used that :) Jul 15 22:13:42 but thats for wired Jul 15 22:14:20 its 102F and I am refusing to run the AC so I am in just flipflops Jul 15 22:14:34 hmmmm Jul 15 22:14:36 is confused now Jul 15 22:14:41 maybe i can just replace vlan2 with wlan Jul 15 22:15:06 Wickednix: *just* flipflops? Jul 15 22:15:53 JF, you perv. I like your thinking Jul 15 22:16:07 lol oh that user left the channel Jul 15 22:16:33 so I am really, fully clothed Jul 15 22:17:40 uhh Jul 15 22:17:43 interface=vlan2&&wlan Jul 15 22:17:44 dhcp-range=192.168.2.100,192.168.2.149,255.255.255.0,1440m Jul 15 22:17:49 would that && thing work there? Jul 15 22:18:14 http://iphone.newyorker.com/tny-iphone/#_home Jul 15 22:18:24 Disgusting. They specifically refer to their Mobile site as the iPhone version. Jul 15 22:18:25 Lol. Jul 15 22:18:34 thats not their mobile site Jul 15 22:18:37 that's their iphone site Jul 15 22:18:42 I just used fasboot to apply a new image, but it's stuck on the HTC welcome screen. Should I restart the phone or wait? Jul 15 22:18:49 They don't have a mobile site, so it is as good as the mobile site. Jul 15 22:18:55 Plus the Android browser renders it identically. Jul 15 22:19:15 apatel, dunno Jul 15 22:19:19 hmmm Jul 15 22:19:23 hmmmmm Jul 15 22:19:26 theyre gayyy Jul 15 22:19:31 oops Jul 15 22:19:31 do you want all wireless to be on its on sub too? Jul 15 22:19:37 i mean... that's a dumb idea Jul 15 22:20:16 my head is hurting from all this vlan stuff Jul 15 22:20:45 * Wickednix gives aPatel an RV082 Jul 15 22:21:02 * TommyBres steals an RV100 Jul 15 22:21:55 can someone help me install HTC touch input keyboard thing Jul 15 22:22:13 heh Jul 15 22:22:19 how do you install it? Jul 15 22:22:24 oh shit Jul 15 22:22:27 i broke my wifi Jul 15 22:22:35 gewwwddd Jul 15 22:23:18 :| Jul 15 22:23:20 this isnt good Jul 15 22:23:38 need a paper clip? Jul 15 22:23:49 nahh Jul 15 22:23:53 i think i can just revert my settings Jul 15 22:23:57 well not how do o install it. but like Jul 15 22:24:39 lol, the Hero crashes the browser in some flash applications Jul 15 22:24:48 http://www.viddler.com/explore/engadget/videos/465/20.62/ Jul 15 22:24:50 win Jul 15 22:25:09 where do I get it? Jul 15 22:25:09 HTC IME I mean Jul 15 22:25:22 htc ime? Jul 15 22:25:22 I'm at work with just my phone... no comp Jul 15 22:25:34 touch input Jul 15 22:25:46 ok well yeah, i'd like that keyboard too Jul 15 22:25:50 but i dont know where to get it Jul 15 22:26:32 bah Jul 15 22:27:18 there's an app called BetterKeyboard that lets you get different keyboards and such Jul 15 22:27:24 it's like $3 though :( Jul 15 22:27:36 HTC IME is better. :) Jul 15 22:27:45 ...okay Jul 15 22:27:47 But I don't remember the link to it. Jul 15 22:27:47 where do i get it Jul 15 22:27:51 >.< Jul 15 22:28:04 oh Jul 15 22:28:06 hold on Jul 15 22:28:10 http://haykuro.theiphoneproject.org/?p=213 Jul 15 22:28:12 there you go Jul 15 22:28:20 Ty so much Jul 15 22:28:33 bookmarks ftw Jul 15 22:28:34 here Jul 15 22:28:36 http://haykuro.theiphoneproject.org/?p=213 Jul 15 22:28:38 DAMMIT AAKASHPATEL Jul 15 22:29:05 :D Jul 15 22:29:10 grr Jul 15 22:29:35 wait, so i cant have both? Jul 15 22:29:41 i cant have HTC and Google available on the same device? Jul 15 22:29:48 Yes you can. Jul 15 22:30:01 oh, so when i push that stuff over it'll just be one of a few text inputs? Jul 15 22:30:01 you're very welcome sir Jul 15 22:30:04 AakashPatel: i just noticed that the magic has a shitty build quality Jul 15 22:30:07 You just disable Google Android in Locale Jul 15 22:30:12 And enable Touch Input. Jul 15 22:30:14 okay i gotcha Jul 15 22:30:20 yeah well i just enable both Jul 15 22:30:21 Android Keyboard I mean Jul 15 22:30:23 k4r1m: lewser Jul 15 22:30:30 AakashPatel: how lol? Jul 15 22:30:31 that makes it so you can long press and pick "text input" Jul 15 22:30:39 k4r1m: you bought it haha Jul 15 22:30:48 everything htc = shitty build quality Jul 15 22:30:54 AakashPatel: true, didnt know it was this shitty should of gotta g1 instead Jul 15 22:31:01 TommyBres: not true Jul 15 22:31:03 jaja Jul 15 22:31:05 if this phone wasnt the first with android i'd poop on it Jul 15 22:31:12 magic is on the next level of shitty-ness Jul 15 22:31:25 well i had the raphael and i have the dream now Jul 15 22:31:37 TommyBres: lol my dad was like "i never heard of it, the keyboard doesnt work right, that means its shit Jul 15 22:31:39 i have deciced that android is not that worth it lol ima get my self a touch pro 2 or n97 Jul 15 22:31:44 haha Jul 15 22:31:50 Dream sucks, but the build quality is not a problem. Jul 15 22:31:52 I mean it doesn't suck, but it could be much better. Jul 15 22:31:57 k4r1m wait a while until another great android device comes out Jul 15 22:32:08 if the i7500 galaxy comes to north america with samsung, that'll be SICK Jul 15 22:32:08 TommyBres: nothing coming soon i think Jul 15 22:32:09 how do i cure my internet addiction Jul 15 22:32:21 TommyBres: i want keyboard lol Jul 15 22:32:25 k4r1m the i7500 just released in germany, give it another month or so Jul 15 22:32:27 wtf you bought a magic Jul 15 22:32:29 twois10: Suicide. Jul 15 22:32:32 i know lol Jul 15 22:32:37 changed my mind =P Jul 15 22:32:42 TommyBres: is the galaxy really gonna be gewd? Jul 15 22:32:47 zytta: but then i wont be able to get online at all Jul 15 22:32:47 yes Jul 15 22:32:50 hmm Jul 15 22:32:52 TommyBres: i could easly get the galaxy Jul 15 22:32:54 look at taht Jul 15 22:32:55 look at the specs Jul 15 22:33:03 i cant make wireless in a vlan Jul 15 22:33:04 k4r1m thats true, but no 3g on a north american carrier Jul 15 22:33:05 great :) Jul 15 22:33:15 im used to no 3g Jul 15 22:33:26 TommyBres: not that big of a deal, im ok with edge Jul 15 22:33:30 twois10: Never said it was a flawless plan, it works though. Guaranteed you'll never step foot on the internet again! Jul 15 22:33:33 aakashpatel the galaxe has an oled capacitive touchscreen, 8gb internal memory AND a microsd slot Jul 15 22:33:35 i dont browse i just use maps lotz Jul 15 22:33:47 o.o Jul 15 22:33:49 HOLY Jul 15 22:33:50 ah, well, edge is slow for me, i want my next phone to have 3g Jul 15 22:33:53 zytta: i still want to use the internet but just not be addicted Jul 15 22:33:54 galaxy* Jul 15 22:34:06 gahh Jul 15 22:34:12 TommyBres, will it have 3G for you on AT&T Jul 15 22:34:13 ? Jul 15 22:34:14 zytta: so sucuide is out of the question Jul 15 22:34:15 TommyBres: if i somehow know that the samsung bigfoot is coming out soon i would hella wait Jul 15 22:34:15 that means i gotta hook up my other router Jul 15 22:34:17 but no dates Jul 15 22:34:23 aakashpatel it only has 128 ram compared to the dream's 192, but i was told there's the same amount of memory available when it's running as the dream Jul 15 22:34:50 TommyBres, 128MB? are they kidding>? Jul 15 22:34:58 what is this? amateur hour or something? Jul 15 22:35:00 twois10: get a boyfriend. Jul 15 22:35:01 and the person i was talking to (i forget who) suspected that it was because the phone actually may have reserved memory for the GPU separate from the ram Jul 15 22:35:01 which the dream does not Jul 15 22:35:01 hmm Jul 15 22:35:01 brb Jul 15 22:35:08 KNY look at what i just said Jul 15 22:35:10 http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/is-this-t-mobiles-samsung-bigfoot-with-android-amoled-and-qwe/ Jul 15 22:35:14 thats what i want lol Jul 15 22:35:15 TommyBres, yeah, that's possible Jul 15 22:35:27 when i first saw 128 i was completely bummed Jul 15 22:35:28 darweth: but am not into anal Jul 15 22:35:31 k4r1m, are you serious? Jul 15 22:35:35 but if it has the same amount for apps... Jul 15 22:35:40 KNY: why lol? Jul 15 22:35:43 k4r1m, that looks like something a fourth-grader would use and think that she was cool Jul 15 22:35:49 ugly and cheap as fuck Jul 15 22:36:04 KNY i think it looks pretty cheap too but look more closely Jul 15 22:36:04 lol it will run android wont it Jul 15 22:36:12 speakers on either side of the keyboard, 3" amoled, 3.2mp camera... Jul 15 22:36:20 k4r1m, that doesn't mean it's not ugly as sin Jul 15 22:36:21 if the magic/dream dont have android i would never never never buy them Jul 15 22:36:24 why would anyone want that phone? Jul 15 22:36:32 lol Jul 15 22:36:36 its got decent specs dude :P Jul 15 22:36:48 it's got a 4-row keyboard Jul 15 22:36:49 my freaking n80 which is three years old has a better ass camera thna the magic Jul 15 22:36:51 forget that Jul 15 22:36:56 so does the lancaster heh Jul 15 22:36:59 you have an ass camera? Jul 15 22:37:03 4 row keyboards are pretty common Jul 15 22:37:04 TommyBres, yeah, and that sucks too Jul 15 22:37:04 magic build quality is actually seriously like getting shit on ur face Jul 15 22:37:11 im just sayin Jul 15 22:37:30 hey KNY Jul 15 22:37:32 http://www.1800pocketpc.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/xperiavstouchprokeyboard.jpg Jul 15 22:37:34 im just saying - fuck the magic. Jul 15 22:37:36 what's that top keyboard? an xperia? 4 row? Jul 15 22:37:37 TommyBres, people believing ID are pretty common, too Jul 15 22:38:06 TommyBres: xperia and touch pro 1 Jul 15 22:38:10 i know :P Jul 15 22:38:16 touch pro 2 keybaord is too sexy Jul 15 22:38:18 whoof Jul 15 22:38:19 my point is, the xperia is only a 4 row keyboard, and that's an elite smartphone Jul 15 22:38:35 http://mynokiablog.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/keyboard-2.jpg Jul 15 22:38:36 TommyBres, depends on who you ask Jul 15 22:38:37 touch pro's keyboard pwns everything else i've seen though Jul 15 22:38:45 KNY no, it doesnt lol Jul 15 22:38:57 I don't consider the xperia elite Jul 15 22:38:59 WVGA res, that keyboard, the touchpad... Jul 15 22:39:02 you're LYING Jul 15 22:39:13 it has more than double your dream's resolution! :O Jul 15 22:39:24 TommyBres: pro 2 right? Jul 15 22:39:34 TommyBres, so? that's not what I'm interested in a phone Jul 15 22:39:37 connectbot and g1 rules! what you need more? best, most solid, terminal phone yet - love it Jul 15 22:39:42 k4r1m, the xperia Jul 15 22:39:50 TommyBres: pro 2 has 480 x 800 Jul 15 22:40:05 lianj the guys in #webos were JUST complaining about having no terminal in the pre hehe Jul 15 22:40:05 lianj: battery life is what we need more of, :) Jul 15 22:40:10 wait thats the same lol Jul 15 22:40:14 regarding the google voice app....i am just trying this out, and would like more than "All calls via GV" and "No calls via GV" Jul 15 22:40:15 k4r1m so does the xperia, same resolution Jul 15 22:40:26 anyway, this is what I'm anxiously waiting for (to see if it's as good as I imagine it to be) : http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/16/huawei-u8230-android-phone-officially-launched-at-communicasia/ Jul 15 22:40:29 but pro 2 has 3.6' screen xperia has only 3.0 Jul 15 22:40:29 is there a way that i can specify certain contacts to dial out using google voice Jul 15 22:40:31 uncategorized, send them an email Jul 15 22:40:38 uncategorized, nope. Tough. Jul 15 22:40:40 android-apps-support@google.com i think Jul 15 22:40:41 :) Jul 15 22:40:49 is there an app to extract .zip files? Jul 15 22:40:53 yes Jul 15 22:40:56 unzip Jul 15 22:41:04 dkr: sure, but its not as bad ervybody tells you, when gps is off Jul 15 22:41:09 i forget which i'm using Jul 15 22:41:10 KNY: that phone looks well built lol Jul 15 22:41:12 sex Jul 15 22:41:25 k4r1m, I just hope it's not a huge let-down Jul 15 22:41:25 lianj: I'm not going based on what people tlel me, I am basing it on usage with gps off Jul 15 22:41:44 TommyBres: is there anything known to be out soon? Jul 15 22:41:56 hero and i7500 Jul 15 22:42:09 hero will have multitouch support, 5mp camera, awesome UI, etcetc Jul 15 22:42:10 i could just get a hero but im scared that its build quality turns out like the magic which is shit Jul 15 22:42:33 *shrug*, i don't like HTC phones in general Jul 15 22:42:48 well some of `em like rock solid Jul 15 22:42:49 i'd take a look at the i7500 galaxy, search it on ebay to get an idea of price, or on youtube to take a peek Jul 15 22:43:00 thats why im considering a pro 2 Jul 15 22:43:09 eh Jul 15 22:43:12 it'll be built like the tilt Jul 15 22:43:22 never tried the tilt Jul 15 22:43:37 or maybe n97 - nokias are always solid but freaking symbian is a phail Jul 15 22:43:49 lol true Jul 15 22:44:03 not even a decent maps app with public transportation support Jul 15 22:44:14 lol i take the bus Jul 15 22:44:38 600$ phone in ma pocket and taking the bus... very ironic lmao Jul 15 22:45:25 dkr: i listen to 2 hour podcast, watched crankygeeks.mp4, answered calls and had a couple of ssh session running.. in my case battery still 40%, so it really depends on what you want from it. there usb plug anywhere to recharge anyhow :) Jul 15 22:45:27 guess waht guise? Jul 15 22:45:36 http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/dell-consumer-products-vp-hints-at-a-smartphone/ !!! android!!? Jul 15 22:45:41 all my ap's are fucked now :D Jul 15 22:45:58 the notification bar looks like its the hero rom lol Jul 15 22:46:32 that thing looks ugly, too Jul 15 22:46:46 but it's also a horrible picture Jul 15 22:46:59 no the dell looked awesome Jul 15 22:47:02 from the pic i saw Jul 15 22:48:07 * lianj a solar recharge panel would be nice. for outdoor Jul 15 22:48:32 ok i'm gonna test the htc keyboard now Jul 15 22:48:45 blah. have to wait for my new reverdns to work Jul 15 22:48:57 TommyBres: so meh u think i should go for a 7500? Jul 15 22:48:59 just because i didn't want to use their lame ass business router :) that thing sucks Jul 15 22:49:32 i really do, k4r1m Jul 15 22:49:38 i'm considering it myself, and i usually hate phones without keyboards Jul 15 22:49:52 whats up with the ram though? Jul 15 22:50:01 128 seems way too low Jul 15 22:50:25 like i said, someone told me it has the exact same amount of available memory while running Jul 15 22:50:54 so i think it has a dedicated GPU and all of the ram to system memory, whereas the dream probably does 64 for video, 128 for system memory Jul 15 22:51:11 where else would 192 come from? :P Jul 15 22:51:20 that still wont be able to handle the hero rom ;[ Jul 15 22:51:44 288mb with magic and hero is not that fast Jul 15 22:52:46 i wonder if i should just stick to the magic till nothing big comes out Jul 15 22:53:04 like the hero model that has a keybaord Jul 15 22:53:28 lancaster* Jul 15 22:56:20 hmm Jul 15 22:56:26 lancaster sucks Jul 15 22:56:38 qvga resolution, half of the dream's Jul 15 23:00:48 ahhh Jul 15 23:00:50 finally Jul 15 23:00:52 ap's are back online :D Jul 15 23:00:58 TommyBres: how about anything with an amoled? Jul 15 23:01:09 the galaxy is all i know of Jul 15 23:01:37 lol didnt know the galaxy was amoled Jul 15 23:02:47 is full Jul 15 23:02:54 burps pasta Jul 15 23:04:23 TommyBres: looking at a video its looks uber fast Jul 15 23:04:27 specialy animation Jul 15 23:04:35 yeah Jul 15 23:05:13 how does amoled compare to what htc screens use? Jul 15 23:05:25 k so do I have do that 'adb remount' thing and all those instructions on haykuros iphoneproject.com blog to install HTC IME? Jul 15 23:05:26 amoled rapes Jul 15 23:05:46 can I do that from a terminal window on my phone Jul 15 23:06:09 how can i insert a pause into the number i am dialing from the dialer? Jul 15 23:06:19 wow i love those reviewers calling it "the samsung i seven five zero zero" seriously just say seventy five hundered lmao Jul 15 23:06:49 say seven thousand five hundred Jul 15 23:07:03 or 7.5 thousand Jul 15 23:07:36 while we're at it, why not "quarter 30k" ? Jul 15 23:07:42 or zero point seventy five times by one thousand Jul 15 23:08:00 one + one + one + one Jul 15 23:08:04 ... Jul 15 23:08:06 k4r1m: ten thousand :) Jul 15 23:08:12 lol i failed Jul 15 23:08:17 but u knew what i meant lol Jul 15 23:11:12 Hi ! Jul 15 23:12:01 gahhhh Jul 15 23:12:11 how do i make my wireless on dd-wrt use a vlan Jul 15 23:19:54 /join #dd-wrt Jul 15 23:26:27 Google Maps 3.2, does it have turn by turn? Jul 15 23:27:56 k so do I have do that 'adb remount' thing and all those instructions on haykuros iphoneproject.com blog to install HTC IME? Jul 15 23:28:02 can I do that from a terminal window on my phone Jul 15 23:31:53 my version of ddwrt is so old that it has a paypal donate thing in its web interface Jul 15 23:31:56 lol Jul 15 23:32:07 Macer: i have the same thing :D Jul 15 23:32:09 i guess the only reason someone would use a newer paid version would be for n support Jul 15 23:32:20 i guess they say one of the developers stole the entire project Jul 15 23:32:24 and started to charge money for it :) Jul 15 23:32:38 and just left the entire development community for it in the dust and took off Jul 15 23:32:41 what a bastard haha Jul 15 23:32:42 dewd Macer you know how to set up vlan's for the wireless interface? Jul 15 23:32:56 no Jul 15 23:32:57 where can i find google maps 3.2 beta Jul 15 23:33:00 i just bridge the entire thing Jul 15 23:33:09 with wut? Jul 15 23:33:11 wifi/lan are just bridged Jul 15 23:33:18 with "bridge" Jul 15 23:33:18 i know Jul 15 23:33:18 haha Jul 15 23:33:24 with my wrt Jul 15 23:33:33 i'm waiting for comcast to update my reverse dns :( Jul 15 23:33:37 well.. comcast already did Jul 15 23:33:43 i'm waiting for the rest of the world to do the same haha Jul 15 23:33:57 hah Jul 15 23:34:11 it kind of sucks that identd doesn't work in opensolaris Jul 15 23:34:19 hello Jul 15 23:34:23 it kind of suck that efnet still requires it.. wtf is it like 1989 or something? Jul 15 23:34:37 no one knows about google maps 3.2 Jul 15 23:35:10 hm... Jul 15 23:35:32 it's still useful Jul 15 23:35:48 people with proxies and shit never have been auth'd by ident Jul 15 23:35:49 grindking: not when you're in the boonies with no net connection Jul 15 23:35:49 heh Jul 15 23:36:11 grindking: some efnet servers don't care Jul 15 23:36:17 i think it is just one of those tradition things Jul 15 23:36:19 yah, so use those servers :D Jul 15 23:36:21 it shouldn't really matter nowadays haha Jul 15 23:36:36 lol. i use ssl servers ;) Jul 15 23:36:42 i was just saying it's still useful Jul 15 23:36:46 that way i can send sensative credit card information over irc Jul 15 23:36:51 haha Jul 15 23:36:54 is there irc for android? Jul 15 23:36:56 HAHA Jul 15 23:36:58 err Jul 15 23:36:58 :) Jul 15 23:36:59 caps Jul 15 23:37:06 zelrikriando: there are plenty of solutions Jul 15 23:37:07 zelrikriando: androidirc.net Jul 15 23:37:12 connectbot + irssi is the best for me Jul 15 23:37:22 zelrikriando: try efnet Jul 15 23:37:26 ok Jul 15 23:37:37 er Jul 15 23:37:38 sensitive Jul 15 23:38:09 i haven't used bitchx in a long time Jul 15 23:38:12 i should go back to ircii Jul 15 23:38:15 with some l33t script Jul 15 23:38:15 haha Jul 15 23:38:29 like... V3N0M.irc or some shit Jul 15 23:38:40 because number letters are awesome Jul 15 23:38:54 hmm Jul 15 23:38:59 efnet? Jul 15 23:39:02 I dont find the app Jul 15 23:39:14 sorry i miss read your question Jul 15 23:40:00 zelrikriando: efnet is an irc network ;) Jul 15 23:40:28 ok Jul 15 23:40:37 I am trying darairc Jul 15 23:40:47 it's an app from the market Jul 15 23:41:23 o.O Jul 15 23:41:25 use androidirc Jul 15 23:43:48 it s not on the market Jul 15 23:46:05 i was just reading on Cyanogen's thread and a guy complaining about the 5 home screens being too much that he only uses one. so some replied he should not swipe his finger right or left. lmao Jul 15 23:46:35 hehe Jul 15 23:47:12 zelrikriando: there are few irc apps on the market Jul 15 23:47:22 i only have 3 :< Jul 15 23:47:35 recommended path: use connectbot to connect to a box where you use irssi Jul 15 23:47:53 eheh Jul 15 23:48:03 fIRC chat, DaraIRC, droidChat, Android IRC.. Jul 15 23:48:33 I use Android IRC because it is a serious app. Jul 15 23:48:45 and irc is /serious business/ Jul 15 23:48:48 I find the others to be lacking in seriousness. Jul 15 23:49:08 connectbot to a box where you have irssi running _inside screen_ is serious business Jul 15 23:49:17 yes Jul 15 23:49:22 that's as srs as it gets Jul 15 23:49:27 where do you find it though Jul 15 23:49:30 does anyone here use bluex? does it work well? Jul 15 23:49:48 I dont find android irc on the market Jul 15 23:49:54 itp: I don't know. There is serious remote and serious local. Jul 15 23:49:56 I am the latter. Jul 15 23:49:57 I looking for unbranding information, can anyone point me in the right direction? Jul 15 23:50:07 it a htc magic, unlocked Jul 15 23:50:08 zelrikriando: just download the apk from androidirc.net Jul 15 23:50:32 AakashPatel: what Oo Jul 15 23:50:50 DOWNLOAD the ADK from ANDROIDIRC.NET Jul 15 23:50:54 fuck Jul 15 23:50:57 ADK* Jul 15 23:50:59 FUCK Jul 15 23:51:00 lol Jul 15 23:51:02 APK* Jul 15 23:51:34 LOL @ AakashPatel Jul 15 23:51:56 <_Auron|G1_> hax Jul 15 23:52:37 lol i dont know wtf is happening today Jul 15 23:52:41 work up at 2 pm Jul 15 23:52:54 :) Jul 15 23:52:59 <_Auron|G1_> woke up? Jul 15 23:53:07 see what i mean!? Jul 15 23:53:13 <_Auron|G1_> I woke up at 6:30pm Jul 15 23:53:13 hehe Jul 15 23:53:15 yep Jul 15 23:53:15 AakashPatel: Probably because you were up late last night seeing hp6 Jul 15 23:53:18 and standing in line for hours Jul 15 23:53:23 hehe Jul 15 23:53:26 no lines Jul 15 23:53:27 <_Auron|G1_> that was me Jul 15 23:53:34 i bought my ticket 12 hours early Jul 15 23:53:57 <_Auron|G1_> except they let us in the theatre at 10pm and we got our tickets a week in advance Jul 15 23:54:06 anyone suggest info on learning to mod/unbrand my htc magic? Jul 15 23:55:01 <_Auron|G1_> went to an xd3 screen. 4 stories tall and 4 stories high, stupidly hi-res Jul 15 23:55:19 ok I am on android irc now Jul 15 23:55:44 is there an android network too Jul 15 23:55:52 irc from your phone and catch a ddos Jul 15 23:56:03 ?? Jul 15 23:56:03 i thought Android IRC was a paid app? Jul 15 23:56:13 did you steal it? Jul 15 23:56:17 <_Auron|G1_> there are two different ones Jul 15 23:56:24 <_Auron|G1_> the paid one is much better Jul 15 23:56:45 orly? Jul 15 23:56:50 looks like i have to pirate it Jul 15 23:56:51 <_Auron|G1_> yes Jul 15 23:56:51 hahah Jul 15 23:56:59 <_Auron|G1_> good luck on that Jul 15 23:57:02 with ssh/screen/irssi you can just hop back and forth between PC and phone Jul 15 23:57:15 keep all your servers connected, channels joined, etc Jul 15 23:57:20 so much superior Jul 15 23:57:27 neonfreon: ok you gotta show me how to do that :p Jul 15 23:57:34 <_Auron|G1_> irsii is lame :/ Jul 15 23:57:41 <_Auron|G1_> irssi* Jul 15 23:57:41 do you have a shell you can irc from somewhere zelrikriando Jul 15 23:57:43 I use irssi Jul 15 23:57:59 but I didnt try it on my phone Jul 15 23:58:09 connectbot Jul 15 23:58:11 random fact: when used as a router, the G1 can support 5Mbps of throughput Jul 15 23:58:11 :) Jul 15 23:58:34 great... Jul 15 23:58:45 <_Auron|G1_> also serves as a space heater Jul 15 23:58:55 lol Jul 15 23:59:03 tethering heats the shiz out of it Jul 15 23:59:07 connectbot is to ssh Jul 15 23:59:12 <_Auron|G1_> no kidding Jul 15 23:59:17 I cannot ssh my laptop Jul 15 23:59:30 yeah you need a shell on a box you can get to from anywhere on the internet Jul 15 23:59:42 how can i install a heat sink and fan on the G1 Jul 15 23:59:49 yeah, connected my laptop and my coworker's to the wifi tether thingy, receive and transmit window size of 64k, and send a 600MB file at an average of 640KBps Jul 15 23:59:50 <_Auron|G1_> so the retro font I'm working on looks way better than the numbers I had before in Stroids Jul 16 00:00:26 twois10: that might be needed Jul 16 00:00:26 is an intent broadcast at the end of an upload against YouTube or picassa Jul 16 00:00:26 ? Jul 16 00:00:26 iam using connectbot intro a nice zsh screen session writw know, and this chat is looking nice ;) Jul 16 00:00:26 is it possible to get the temp of the processor? Jul 16 00:00:26 wow on top of all the bullshit instead of sending me a new one, they just sent me refurbished phone... Jul 16 00:00:40 AppleBoy: no, but you can get a temp on the batt ;) Jul 16 00:00:43 <_Auron|G1_> bastardos Jul 16 00:00:47 s/writw know/right now Jul 16 00:01:07 I need a desktop on a fixed IP Jul 16 00:01:16 that s what I need Jul 16 00:01:45 AakashPatel: after seeing the temperature of the battery is why i want to install a heat sink and fan Jul 16 00:01:52 nah Jul 16 00:01:55 <_Auron|G1_> LOL Jul 16 00:02:03 i have a VPS i pay $10/mo for Jul 16 00:02:04 <_Auron|G1_> a fan on a phone Jul 16 00:02:09 lol Jul 16 00:02:10 lolll Jul 16 00:02:10 AakashPatel: is there a program already made to do that? Jul 16 00:02:12 that i can do simple development on, ssh into from anywhere Jul 16 00:02:13 <_Auron|G1_> that'll suck up power Jul 16 00:02:14 uhh Jul 16 00:02:19 anycut? Jul 16 00:02:20 orrrrrr Jul 16 00:02:24 spareparts Jul 16 00:02:25 k4r1m: you got a refurb replacement for your stuck pixel? Jul 16 00:02:26 power the fan with a sterling engine Jul 16 00:02:36 _Auron|G1_: have you ever put the phone next to your cheek when tethering Jul 16 00:02:43 <_Auron|G1_> yep Jul 16 00:02:43 hahaha Jul 16 00:02:47 lol im gonna do that now Jul 16 00:02:48 <_Auron|G1_> it almost burns Jul 16 00:02:49 brb Jul 16 00:03:25 wtf Jul 16 00:03:29 my daa isnt connecting Jul 16 00:03:48 data Jul 16 00:03:54 AakashPatel: which rom do you use? Jul 16 00:04:10 jf 1.51 adp Jul 16 00:04:21 k Jul 16 00:04:38 bleh Jul 16 00:04:40 reboot the phone time Jul 16 00:05:15 <_Auron|G1_> does usb give enough power to power the phone without the battery? Jul 16 00:05:20 uhhh Jul 16 00:05:24 ooo Jul 16 00:05:31 i wanna check how much power the phone uses Jul 16 00:05:35 when tethering Jul 16 00:05:44 while charging it uses 250mW Jul 16 00:05:48 oh, it uses a lot of power Jul 16 00:06:05 i usually have the usb connected when tethering Jul 16 00:06:46 yay Jul 16 00:06:48 data connected Jul 16 00:06:55 took long enough :) damn reverse dns Jul 16 00:06:57 Soon people will only do tethering Jul 16 00:07:06 nottt Jul 16 00:07:06 no more wired connection Jul 16 00:07:08 lol Jul 16 00:07:13 :D Jul 16 00:07:44 heh Jul 16 00:07:51 tethering is overrated Jul 16 00:07:59 it's too slow anyways compared to even copper Jul 16 00:08:00 :) Jul 16 00:08:24 I think we are heading towards internet connectivity overkill Jul 16 00:08:43 3G, DSL, WIFI... Jul 16 00:09:14 <_Auron|G1_> you mean FIOS Jul 16 00:09:32 fios? Jul 16 00:10:11 <_Auron|G1_> fiber optic connection? Jul 16 00:10:20 <_Auron|G1_> way faster than dsl can do o.O Jul 16 00:10:21 yeah that too Jul 16 00:10:46 I am just saying that the networking is getting busier and busier Jul 16 00:10:55 <_Auron|G1_> yep Jul 16 00:11:27 <_Auron|G1_> we're already streaming hd video on websites now Jul 16 00:11:47 oh yeah Jul 16 00:11:58 <_Auron|G1_> filesharing at quakecon is sick though Jul 16 00:12:01 MaceSol: were you the one asking about autheniated wifi? Jul 16 00:12:30 hi Jul 16 00:12:31 cuz i have encryption and shiz on mine Jul 16 00:12:38 to think I can upload youtube videos now on my phone Jul 16 00:12:44 that is just insane Jul 16 00:12:51 <_Auron|G1_> file transfers as fast as people's harddrives can read/write over the network with thousands connected to each other on the dc++ server Jul 16 00:13:03 hi people Jul 16 00:13:12 id like to replace the android userspace Jul 16 00:13:19 o.o Jul 16 00:13:19 by the openmoko userspace Jul 16 00:13:39 I remember my first PC had less computing power than my phone today Jul 16 00:13:40 for this purpose i have need to get a commandline Jul 16 00:13:43 have fun with that Jul 16 00:13:44 on my htc-dream Jul 16 00:13:57 AakashPatel_ which app do you use to see the power level being dissipated Jul 16 00:13:59 <_Auron|G1_> zelrik: same here Jul 16 00:14:05 zelrikriando: lol i have a 60MHz pentium proc Jul 16 00:14:06 does anyone know Jul 16 00:14:11 loool Jul 16 00:14:20 <_Auron|G1_> my first windows comp had a 233mhz cpu and 4gb hdd when I was 13 Jul 16 00:14:24 how I can get this android kernel to bind a tty? Jul 16 00:14:24 twois10: uh...the amount of power being used? Jul 16 00:14:25 AakashPatel_: with 40Mb harddrive? Jul 16 00:14:35 at the moment my screen is blanc Jul 16 00:14:42 aroudn that Jul 16 00:14:42 i didnt have it for long Jul 16 00:14:43 AakashPatel_: yes Jul 16 00:14:45 took it apart lol Jul 16 00:14:45 <_Auron|G1_> then I got a laptop with 33mhz cpu and 80mb hdd Jul 16 00:15:03 twois10: my macbook pro ;) Jul 16 00:15:06 <_Auron|G1_> then 667mhz emachine with 30gb hdd Jul 16 00:15:09 in 10 years, people will look at the HTC Magic, and laugh Jul 16 00:15:21 <_Auron|G1_> dude in 5 years Jul 16 00:15:32 umm 2 years Jul 16 00:15:35 AakashPatel_: oh not an app on the phone Jul 16 00:15:46 NexVision: come on! I have a 3 year plan D:p Jul 16 00:16:23 awww Jul 16 00:16:26 its like a pocket warmer Jul 16 00:16:28 :D Jul 16 00:16:29 <_Auron|G1_> I'm contract freee Jul 16 00:16:47 in 10 years Google will have 80% of the desktop market Jul 16 00:16:55 * AakashPatel_ is rockin his EDGE speeds Jul 16 00:16:57 <_Auron|G1_> eh Jul 16 00:17:03 and Microsoft 50% of the search engine market share Jul 16 00:17:13 <_Auron|G1_> bing sucks Jul 16 00:17:23 ok 10% Jul 16 00:17:25 in regards to your network thing, I forsee everything switching purely to whatever the latest cell thing is and fiber Jul 16 00:17:31 bing sucks Jul 16 00:17:36 confirming that Jul 16 00:18:07 but yeah, it won't be long before cable companies start switching to fiber and dsl is phased out Jul 16 00:18:07 it's easy to check Jul 16 00:18:07 http://www.speedtest.net/result/518295861.png Jul 16 00:18:08 rofl Jul 16 00:18:13 mainly because dsl companies suck ass Jul 16 00:18:34 <_Auron|G1_> att for dsl is good Jul 16 00:18:35 my connection speed isn't very good :/ Jul 16 00:18:43 att for cell sucks Jul 16 00:18:49 <_Auron|G1_> yep Jul 16 00:18:54 can't comment on dsl Jul 16 00:19:00 I really wish some other company besides verizon would do fios Jul 16 00:19:03 because I hate verizon Jul 16 00:19:07 <_Auron|G1_> yeah Jul 16 00:19:27 <_Auron|G1_> well verizon is hit or miss in some areas for quality Jul 16 00:19:38 this is the other thing that annoys me about t-mobile, the last hop from t-mobile before the web is in kansas, I lie in california Jul 16 00:19:38 <_Auron|G1_> they're good in dfw Jul 16 00:19:38 everybody poops Jul 16 00:19:50 <_Auron|G1_> lol tommy Jul 16 00:19:51 live* Jul 16 00:20:09 Hey dont complain, I live in Canada Jul 16 00:20:19 worse wireless network ever Jul 16 00:20:29 rawjizz? Jul 16 00:20:29 so I'm currently in the middle of a 3 story building at work Jul 16 00:20:37 or tell us Jul 16 00:20:43 time to see what it says Jul 16 00:20:50 TommyBres: tell us about rawjizz Jul 16 00:20:56 lol rogers? Jul 16 00:21:01 hm Jul 16 00:21:02 yeah Jul 16 00:21:06 waiting on this damn pizza to get here Jul 16 00:21:11 tell us has no android phone Jul 16 00:21:14 those fuckers Jul 16 00:21:17 with this quit smoking money i'm eating likea pig.. good thing i'm not fat Jul 16 00:21:19 <_Auron|G1_> mm pizza Jul 16 00:21:20 nor ever have been haha Jul 16 00:21:22 lmao Jul 16 00:21:24 lol Jul 16 00:21:25 <_Auron|G1_> heh Jul 16 00:21:28 but yeah, I would be able to come up with a real good business plan Jul 16 00:21:33 rogers has monopoly on high end phones Jul 16 00:21:35 <_Auron|G1_> I'm smoking right now Jul 16 00:21:37 http://www.speedtest.net/result/518297501.png Jul 16 00:21:45 _Auron|G1_: at $8-9 a pack here Jul 16 00:21:47 auron, awesome Jul 16 00:21:47 some places higher Jul 16 00:21:48 has anyone heard of new google maps (3.2) that is out? Jul 16 00:21:49 i'm baaaked Jul 16 00:21:50 screw that haha Jul 16 00:21:55 AppleBoy: EDGE? Jul 16 00:21:58 386ms is horrible :( Jul 16 00:22:00 those are crack prices Jul 16 00:22:02 yep Jul 16 00:22:04 <_Auron|G1_> $3 a pack here if you want cheapass marlboros Jul 16 00:22:09 * Macer might as well smoke crack than cigarettes Jul 16 00:22:09 haha Jul 16 00:22:13 <_Auron|G1_> I get $8 newports and blacks Jul 16 00:22:13 marlboros here are like 8.50 Jul 16 00:22:13 3G doesn't penetrate the building Jul 16 00:22:16 AppleBoy: live with it! i had 800ms Jul 16 00:22:19 if I go outside I can get on 3G Jul 16 00:22:28 TommyBres: seriously....I use the wifi whenever I can :p Jul 16 00:22:32 AakashPatel: I do, I play video games on it all the time :D Jul 16 00:22:33 hah Jul 16 00:22:34 i went to walgreens one day and they really stuck it to me.. $9.35 Jul 16 00:22:35 <_Auron|G1_> cigs are cheap here I guess Jul 16 00:22:36 overland park? Jul 16 00:22:37 lol Jul 16 00:22:40 my knees buckled Jul 16 00:22:41 thats not too far from here XD Jul 16 00:22:46 kansass Jul 16 00:22:49 misery Jul 16 00:22:49 and that's when i said enough is enough and i needed to quit haha Jul 16 00:22:52 <_Auron|G1_> $9.35 will buy you nice cigs here Jul 16 00:22:53 work has all ports but 80 locked down Jul 16 00:22:55 that's like 200-300/month Jul 16 00:22:59 well, http and https Jul 16 00:23:00 <_Auron|G1_> wow Jul 16 00:23:00 that's a damn car note being smoked :) Jul 16 00:23:11 <_Auron|G1_> I smoke like 2 packs a month Jul 16 00:23:12 so being able to tether is the only reason why I got the G1 Jul 16 00:23:17 with nothing to show for it afterwards except a ton of empty cigarette boxes Jul 16 00:23:18 a guy buying some cigarattes was accident charge 27 trillion dollars to his bank account. And the best part, the bank added overdraft fee Jul 16 00:23:26 _Auron|G1_: i smoked a pack a day ;) Jul 16 00:23:28 <_Auron|G1_> LOL Jul 16 00:23:35 <_Auron|G1_> Macer: jesus Jul 16 00:23:48 twois10: lol Jul 16 00:23:49 <_Auron|G1_> I can't see how someone can smoke that much Jul 16 00:23:50 linky? Jul 16 00:23:58 sorry, it was 23 quadrillion dollars Jul 16 00:24:01 _Auron|G1_: 1 cigarette almost every hour of the day? :) Jul 16 00:24:13 lol Jul 16 00:24:15 link Jul 16 00:24:15 Macer: my sister smoked 1 pack/day at 13yo Jul 16 00:24:16 twois10: haha Jul 16 00:24:16 twois10: Jul 16 00:24:26 o.O Jul 16 00:24:30 zelrikriando: well. i have been doing it for about 15 ;) Jul 16 00:24:37 i started when i was a sophmore in high school Jul 16 00:24:39 that DAMN JOE CAMEL! Jul 16 00:24:39 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJBKyTfCjCc Jul 16 00:24:40 <_Auron|G1_> although I'm weird, I smoke several cigs at once every couple of days Jul 16 00:24:42 oops, sorry Jul 16 00:24:43 with his cool leather jacket! Jul 16 00:24:44 paste buffer. Jul 16 00:25:03 if you dont believe me, check it out: http://www.wmur.com/index.html Jul 16 00:25:38 Macer: my sister is likely to die at 20 lol Jul 16 00:25:48 actually not lol Jul 16 00:25:50 .. Jul 16 00:26:08 zelrikriando: whenever my cell phone reaches http://www.speedtest.net/result/518299336.png that speed then ill turn off my cable :) Jul 16 00:26:23 http://www.wmur.com/money/20057331/detail.html#COMMENTTOP Jul 16 00:26:34 AakashPatel: well ok Jul 16 00:26:35 <_Auron|G1_> lol Jul 16 00:26:52 omg, that's hilarious http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/15/man-charged-23-quadrillio_n_233286.html Jul 16 00:27:41 AakashPatel: that speed is overkill too,I mean...10M/s...you can watch 3 HD movies at the same time no problem Jul 16 00:27:53 uhhh Jul 16 00:27:54 not Jul 16 00:28:03 which is pissing telcos off, which is why I like cox communications Jul 16 00:28:16 cocks comm Jul 16 00:28:52 zelrikriando: i still want faster interent :) Jul 16 00:29:03 * AakashPatel envies TommyBres Jul 16 00:29:13 huh Jul 16 00:29:16 oh, my interwebs Jul 16 00:29:19 yeah they're pretty 1337 Jul 16 00:29:24 <_Auron|G1_> I wonder if his transcation was free after that Jul 16 00:29:52 hmm Jul 16 00:29:56 maybe I should eat now Jul 16 00:31:27 i pay for 3mb and i only get 768kb and on a good hour, get 1.5mb Jul 16 00:32:04 o.O Jul 16 00:32:04 thats crap Jul 16 00:32:08 hey, I get charged a bit more than I like, but I can download full speed 24/7 and they have yet to cut me off Jul 16 00:32:11 i pay for 6Mbit and get a lil over Jul 16 00:32:14 <_Auron|G1_> natural lime sparkling mineral water is tasty Jul 16 00:32:19 i get 10mbits...always Jul 16 00:32:20 so cox works for me Jul 16 00:32:33 oh, and all ports are open for me :D Jul 16 00:32:39 i pay $39.99 Jul 16 00:32:43 AppleBoy: same here Jul 16 00:32:57 there is a chance that I told it to grab a different config file that gives me slightly better performance :D Jul 16 00:33:07 config file? Jul 16 00:33:08 for what/ Jul 16 00:33:20 cox communications works on config files for the modems Jul 16 00:33:21 docsis Jul 16 00:33:47 oh Jul 16 00:34:01 charter doesnt give a shit about that stuff lol Jul 16 00:34:22 you just hook up your modem and give em that littel number (forgot the name) and voilĂ  Jul 16 00:34:35 eh seriously, the Hero makes the iphone look bad Jul 16 00:34:38 like really bad Jul 16 00:34:42 modem connects to network, sends out request for ip, router picks it up and checks mac address against database and then tells it what config file to get, modem then contacts tftp server and grabs the config file, then it sets the modem's parameters to that Jul 16 00:34:56 that's how all cable modem networks work Jul 16 00:34:58 zelrikriando: no it doesn't.. it has no apple logo on it Jul 16 00:35:19 zinx: it has the HTC brand on it :p Jul 16 00:35:26 lols Jul 16 00:35:28 zelrikriando: uugggly Jul 16 00:35:28 htc Jul 16 00:35:29 fial Jul 16 00:35:55 fall in a lake? Jul 16 00:36:07 The problem is that it cost a lot of money to put an Apple logo on a phone Jul 16 00:36:14 zinx: fail ;) Jul 16 00:36:23 not even considering exclusivity and stuff Jul 16 00:36:23 zelrikriando: yeah but all your trendy friends will be envious Jul 16 00:36:28 lol wut Jul 16 00:36:45 zinx: I made my iphone friend envious Jul 16 00:36:58 with my hacked version of the Hero :p Jul 16 00:37:52 i love how on the macbook pro and their wireless keyboard Jul 16 00:38:00 the little green led, you cant see it Jul 16 00:38:03 until its on Jul 16 00:38:14 i-crap Jul 16 00:38:59 You have a low IQ, lots of money, congratulation, you own an iphone Jul 16 00:39:05 :D Jul 16 00:39:16 lol Jul 16 00:39:37 my dad thinks iphone > android Jul 16 00:39:42 cuz he never heard of HTC before Jul 16 00:39:44 haha Jul 16 00:39:44 slap him Jul 16 00:40:16 ba bam Jul 16 00:40:23 I have a gut feeling Jul 16 00:40:47 that the HTC brand will gain a lot of value Jul 16 00:40:53 no lol Jul 16 00:41:04 hahahaha Jul 16 00:41:07 no way Jul 16 00:41:18 I ll buy an HTC Tshirt Jul 16 00:41:19 :D Jul 16 00:41:27 just kiddin Jul 16 00:42:39 by the way there is a fucking 'Rogers' logo on the back of my phone Jul 16 00:42:48 ..and? Jul 16 00:42:49 written Rogers on the side of course Jul 16 00:42:54 i haz a kewl android Jul 16 00:43:01 heh Jul 16 00:43:01 I wanted it to be written Google or something Jul 16 00:43:13 rogers' name/logo isnt too obnoxious at least Jul 16 00:43:16 adp1 back cover > ANYTHING Jul 16 00:43:18 it doesn't have a pink t-mo badge :P Jul 16 00:43:44 TommyBres: oh is it on the G1? Jul 16 00:43:57 pink? Jul 16 00:43:58 idk Jul 16 00:44:05 yeah, pink is the t-mo color Jul 16 00:44:09 wrong Jul 16 00:44:11 magenta Jul 16 00:44:15 lol Jul 16 00:44:15 :) Jul 16 00:44:26 a pinkyish magenta Jul 16 00:44:27 http://www.mobilemarketplace.net/image/cache/tmobile_logo-300x300.jpg Jul 16 00:44:29 also, there's no pink anywhere on my G1 Jul 16 00:44:32 LOOK AT THAT Jul 16 00:44:37 not on the g1!!! Jul 16 00:44:44 TommyBres, they have a trademark on the color magenta Jul 16 00:44:51 zelrikriando, not "pinkish magenta" either Jul 16 00:44:53 eye dee eff kay Jul 16 00:44:54 mah friend haz da black one Jul 16 00:45:00 eye dee eff see Jul 16 00:45:09 AakashPatel: that s because google told them to screw off with their fucking pink logo :p Jul 16 00:45:29 zelrikriando: you just wish you had the adp1 back cover :P Jul 16 00:45:46 lol I dont care :p Jul 16 00:45:51 sure.. Jul 16 00:46:02 thats what they all say, then when you give it to them "OMFG t Jul 16 00:46:06 THANKS A BUNCH Jul 16 00:46:54 http://assets.gearlive.com/blogimages/gallery/t-mobile-g1-unboxing/013-t-mobile-g1-unboxing_medium.JPG Jul 16 00:47:03 so it's the same logo but in gray because they couldnt afford color ink Jul 16 00:48:06 its white Jul 16 00:48:08 :P Jul 16 00:49:35 lol Jul 16 00:49:38 look at that picture Jul 16 00:49:57 anyone try the sugar cube trick on it yet? Jul 16 00:50:04 i thought it was salt cube Jul 16 00:50:13 maybe it is? Jul 16 00:50:18 i thought sugar Jul 16 00:50:27 because sugar is softer and wont scratch anything but the logo Jul 16 00:50:35 ehh Jul 16 00:50:36 idk Jul 16 00:50:41 * AakashPatel goes to eat a sugar cube Jul 16 00:51:55 it's sugar Jul 16 00:52:28 wtf Jul 16 00:52:33 someone said salt a few days ago Jul 16 00:52:35 oh well Jul 16 00:52:35 KNY: so what do you think of the google voice app that hit the market? Jul 16 00:52:59 warewolf, I think I've got about 800 smali files to reverse engineer :) Jul 16 00:53:15 TommyBres: re: sugar for de-logo'ing a phone; it works great. Did it on my last phone. Jul 16 00:53:18 KNY: bwahahah Jul 16 00:53:22 nice Jul 16 00:53:25 KNY: what features do you want to replicate? Jul 16 00:53:29 warewolf, um, speed? Jul 16 00:53:39 that's basically it Jul 16 00:53:39 whadda mean Jul 16 00:53:45 the dialing? Jul 16 00:53:58 well, they're not scraping the HTML off of the mobile page for their voicemails, for example Jul 16 00:54:04 oh Jul 16 00:54:10 can't you tcpdump that? Jul 16 00:54:13 (which is incredibly expensive, incredibly buggy, and incredibly slow) Jul 16 00:54:24 warewolf, it's over https and they're using protobufs Jul 16 00:54:33 hm Jul 16 00:54:47 warewolf, if you want to do it, though, I wouldn't object :) Jul 16 00:55:06 I'm curious. Jul 16 00:55:16 I'll see what I can do, and how difficult it will be. Jul 16 00:55:23 warewolf, you'll have to MITM it Jul 16 00:55:40 I suspect Jul 16 00:55:44 MITM/ Jul 16 00:55:47 > Jul 16 00:55:49 ? Jul 16 00:56:01 malcolm in the middle, of course. Jul 16 00:56:11 the question is: does the google voice client have ssl certs built into it that it uses and verifies the server's cert? Jul 16 00:56:26 and can I inject my own cert into the bks file and take care of it that way? Jul 16 00:56:28 what's a recording app with quality sufficient for recording song demos? Jul 16 00:56:31 droidrecord sucks. Jul 16 00:56:32 JesusFreke: furealz? Jul 16 00:56:34 why is it that if you do your gesture unlock too many time wrong and you goto put in you email info the g1 doesnt take it Jul 16 00:56:47 AakashPatel: absolutely. I may be wrong about that malcolm part though. Jul 16 00:56:48 defectiv: hahaa Jul 16 00:57:17 lol gesture unlock. Jul 16 00:57:25 i got locked out of my phone and the bastard wouldnt take me email and password and they were both being put in right Jul 16 00:57:31 EugeneKay: you know what i mean heh Jul 16 00:57:36 couldnt think of the name Jul 16 00:57:39 defectiv, the mic in the g1 doesn't have nearly the range required for a good song demo Jul 16 00:58:53 if only usb host mode worked ... (for at least a two track usb audio dongle for board recordings or similar) Jul 16 01:00:17 dude, i mean decent. Jul 16 01:00:22 as in, sampling rate is sufficient. Jul 16 01:00:33 droidrecord is horrible because of sampling rate, not mic quality. Jul 16 01:02:17 well, psh Jul 16 01:02:25 make your own voice recorder :P Jul 16 01:02:39 time my friend. precious time. Jul 16 01:02:49 nobody needs time Jul 16 01:02:59 get yourself a 30 rack, a pizza and a weekend Jul 16 01:03:20 oh man, tonight is pizza & beers night here Jul 16 01:03:25 you could make a trivial sound recording app in ... five or six lines of kawa scheme Jul 16 01:03:27 hah Jul 16 01:03:43 dunno how much that translated into java (probably 20 or so) Jul 16 01:03:50 KNY i'm petitioning that every day of the week should be pizza and beers night Jul 16 01:03:50 hmm Jul 16 01:03:58 unknown_lamer, you've obviously never developed for android :) Jul 16 01:03:59 o.O Jul 16 01:04:02 that would be 200 or so on android Jul 16 01:04:05 TommyBres: i ate pizza this morning Jul 16 01:04:08 KNY: I've written a few small things Jul 16 01:04:11 me too aakashpatel Jul 16 01:04:18 haha Jul 16 01:04:23 i use one called voice recorder Jul 16 01:04:29 i'm goin to the beach Jul 16 01:04:36 brb Jul 16 01:04:45 :P Jul 16 01:04:49 KNY: I'm talking something that can only record when it is in the foreground and just keeps a wakelock and ... nothing more Jul 16 01:04:50 some of us cant go to beaches Jul 16 01:04:54 the most we have is a lake Jul 16 01:04:55 lol, a weekend. that's rich. Jul 16 01:04:58 get a phon ecall mid recording? well then, ... doom. Jul 16 01:05:24 makei it reject all calls XD Jul 16 01:05:33 already got a full time day job, a music career i'm trying to manage, and a rails app i'm trying to get off the ground. Jul 16 01:06:17 hm Jul 16 01:06:25 i never noticed that comcast gives you 2 ips on a business line Jul 16 01:06:26 heh Jul 16 01:06:28 defectiv: quit your day job, keep the music job, and pick up LoL and RoFL for common lisp instead of rails and you'll be good to go ;-) Jul 16 01:06:29 k back Jul 16 01:06:36 neato Jul 16 01:06:50 i should try to find something interesting to do with the other ip Jul 16 01:06:57 like use it for other servers or something :) Jul 16 01:07:38 i still have to open up ports on it though. GOOD THING i have that vpn going so i can mod router stuff using a "local" ip heh Jul 16 01:07:50 hmmm Jul 16 01:08:03 if i set up vpn on the router, and i have a vlan also Jul 16 01:08:05 yeah but i found out that you get 2 ips for 1 with comcast Jul 16 01:08:06 heh Jul 16 01:08:07 which ip will it go to? Jul 16 01:08:07 im on gprs haha Jul 16 01:08:12 wtf is the vlan for? Jul 16 01:08:14 no edge :( Jul 16 01:08:19 :) you have something that requires a vlan? Jul 16 01:08:23 heh Jul 16 01:08:24 yeah Jul 16 01:08:26 i usually just nat Jul 16 01:08:28 seperate traffic Jul 16 01:08:33 TommyBres, ahah, in the boonies of NYC? Jul 16 01:08:47 AakashPatel: you would have to bridge the subnets in order to send pkts out through your modem Jul 16 01:08:54 haha i guess so Jul 16 01:08:56 i haven't done that in a very long time heh Jul 16 01:09:04 o.O Jul 16 01:09:07 uhhhhhhh Jul 16 01:09:13 kny the thing is, theres 3g here but no edge Jul 16 01:09:16 i think i might just double nat i like used to lol Jul 16 01:09:21 actually.. Jul 16 01:09:25 TommyBres, haha Jul 16 01:09:30 i guess you really wouldn't be bridging it Jul 16 01:09:31 :) Jul 16 01:09:31 so i get gprs because i cant get 3g Jul 16 01:09:37 awesome Jul 16 01:09:38 only if you wanted to 2 subnets to talk to each other Jul 16 01:09:43 if they are seperate i suppose it doesn't matter Jul 16 01:09:43 gprs is the worst Jul 16 01:09:45 i dont want them to see each other :) Jul 16 01:09:49 i get edge most of the time, but not at the beach Jul 16 01:10:01 its my private traffic and public Jul 16 01:10:15 one is your porn and the other is your apt buildings net traffic? Jul 16 01:10:16 lol Jul 16 01:10:24 haha Jul 16 01:10:31 hurry up and set up that vpn so you can stream the porn encrypted ;) Jul 16 01:10:31 haha Jul 16 01:10:40 lolll Jul 16 01:10:41 pr0n ftw Jul 16 01:10:49 i needa setup a vlan on my wireless also Jul 16 01:11:14 vanlancanmantansan Jul 16 01:12:26 tombomcomwomzomvombomgom Jul 16 01:12:37 yourmom Jul 16 01:12:51 ... Jul 16 01:13:02 lol Jul 16 01:13:59 <_Auron_> oh wow Jul 16 01:14:04 <_Auron_> ADC2 has been updated with the T&C Jul 16 01:14:12 <_Auron_> and now judges have 60% instead of 55% of vote count Jul 16 01:14:14 _Auron_, yeah, I meant to send that to you the other day Jul 16 01:14:15 <_Auron_> google judges* Jul 16 01:14:22 _Auron_, that's good, IMO Jul 16 01:14:25 <_Auron_> it is Jul 16 01:14:33 the system is going to be gamed as fuck, anyway Jul 16 01:14:33 <_Auron_> I like that they have a larger portion Jul 16 01:14:40 <_Auron_> yeah Jul 16 01:14:56 <_Auron_> I've been in a competition like this before, except it wasn't limited to Jul 16 01:15:04 ahahaah Jul 16 01:15:15 I like that they didn't say anything about not using private APIs Jul 16 01:15:21 looks like I need to get started on my app again Jul 16 01:15:38 <_Auron_> it just needs to run on android 1.5 Jul 16 01:15:42 yeah Jul 16 01:16:07 romain scared me a while ago saying that he wouldn't be surprised if the T&C said "no undocumented APIs" Jul 16 01:16:08 <_Auron_> considering they have the NDK out I don't think they care whether or not you use a private API Jul 16 01:16:19 _Auron_, the NDK is crap Jul 16 01:16:29 _Auron_, you only get libc, libm, and libz Jul 16 01:16:54 i get liba ansd libn Jul 16 01:17:12 you would, you pervert Jul 16 01:18:02 uhhhh wut Jul 16 01:18:08 <_Auron_> I Jul 16 01:18:15 <_Auron_> I'm glad submission is open until the end of august though. buys me more time Jul 16 01:18:20 <_Auron_> though I might not need it Jul 16 01:19:34 _Auron_, they don't say anything about not having testers ... :) Jul 16 01:19:34 heh more time is always a good thing to polish it up a bit Jul 16 01:19:54 and I'd be pissed if they didn't push it as late as possible since they dragged their feet getting out the T&C Jul 16 01:20:36 ew, i think i stepped on a bug in bare feet Jul 16 01:21:10 poor bug Jul 16 01:21:24 <_Auron_> oh, I didn't notice you can submit more than one entry, just not in the same categories. Jul 16 01:21:29 <_Auron_> maybe I'll make a puzzle/casual game too Jul 16 01:21:31 <_Auron_> if I have time Jul 16 01:23:12 auron make a voice recorder for that guy haha Jul 16 01:24:25 anyone know what GAIA stands for? Jul 16 01:24:29 google apps ... ? Jul 16 01:24:43 google apps in america! Jul 16 01:24:44 maybe google account ... ? Jul 16 01:24:45 um Jul 16 01:25:03 <_Auron_> voice recorder? Jul 16 01:25:25 GNAA Jul 16 01:25:29 I want a free screenshot app Jul 16 01:25:37 Radix_, ddms Jul 16 01:25:57 radix there is a free screenshot app, if you steal it :P Jul 16 01:26:12 kny doesn't work on my win7-64bit machine.. even tried following the specific 64-bit instructions to get it working Jul 16 01:26:29 Leeds: hi Jul 16 01:26:53 tommybres: not into stealing apps, sorry Jul 16 01:27:21 I think there should be a free screenshot app for everyone personally.. it's not exactly hard and would encourage people to take snapshots and share with friends Jul 16 01:27:41 would promote the platform more i reckon Jul 16 01:28:03 so hm is it possible to run a complete os on android? i been hearing u can run debian and stuff... Jul 16 01:28:10 how are the apps protected? I mean if you sell it you want to avoid free distribution of your app Jul 16 01:28:23 lololol Jul 16 01:28:26 when people say they run debian they mean just debian without the desktop enviorment or with the de? Jul 16 01:28:35 chrome_ theyre put in an app-private folder Jul 16 01:28:37 thats it Jul 16 01:28:52 chrome_, they're not Jul 16 01:28:54 k4r1m it has no ui Jul 16 01:29:38 TommyB but the one who bought the app can read that folder and make copies? Jul 16 01:29:46 TommyB: aw i see.. i just got a lil interested cuz there is a new netbook os called jolicloud ;] Jul 16 01:29:49 yes, with root access Jul 16 01:30:19 chrome_: hi? Jul 16 01:30:23 chrome_ unless theyre modified, no phone but the dev phone is rooted, and dev phones cant see copy protected apps on market Jul 16 01:30:24 TommyB: i want the ui though Jul 16 01:30:34 k4r1m i want a pony Jul 16 01:30:53 TommyB: rainbow one? Jul 16 01:31:09 huh Jul 16 01:31:15 nah just a pony Jul 16 01:31:18 rainbow pony Jul 16 01:31:23 fine Jul 16 01:31:32 ima just go watch adventureland n sleep Jul 16 01:31:49 k Jul 16 01:32:00 what's the dev phone? Jul 16 01:32:31 its a hack phone Jul 16 01:32:31 chrome_: http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/device.html Jul 16 01:32:35 lets u use protected apps Jul 16 01:32:56 lol wut Jul 16 01:33:04 its just rooted out of the box Jul 16 01:34:23 oh I see Jul 16 01:35:22 Leeds: what phone do you use as dev phone? Jul 16 01:35:48 I just use a regular unrooted Magic Jul 16 01:35:51 bhack Jul 16 01:36:10 leeds can you not root magics yet? Jul 16 01:36:20 lol wut Jul 16 01:36:27 are the io devices rewted? Jul 16 01:36:36 TommyB: sort of... you can't root the build I've got, but I could reflash it with a rooted build Jul 16 01:36:38 AakashPatel: yes Jul 16 01:36:43 ah okay Jul 16 01:36:48 orly? Jul 16 01:36:54 so you could just get the ion build? Jul 16 01:36:56 someone said it wasnt before XD Jul 16 01:37:26 well, AFAIK, it is - and yes, I could get the Ion build or something similar Jul 16 01:37:41 TommyB: Radix_ has the same model as me, I think, and he's rooted his Jul 16 01:38:06 cool Jul 16 01:38:21 every rom out there has root already prettymuch Jul 16 01:38:33 it's pretty straightforward to do so Jul 16 01:38:43 only issue is if you get one with the dreaded 'perfect spl' Jul 16 01:39:04 lol Jul 16 01:39:10 I've seen a few users now with one of those.. most of the myTouch3g users have them.. and saw last night a greek user with one too Jul 16 01:39:20 * AakashPatel sends an mms to his gv number Jul 16 01:39:26 can't fastboot the recovery roms with the perfect spl Jul 16 01:39:31 so can't install new roms, etc.. Jul 16 01:40:12 perfect spl? Jul 16 01:41:33 err Jul 16 01:41:44 i needa figure out how to vlan this wifi quick Jul 16 01:41:59 hah, pesatas Jul 16 01:42:24 Yeah.. the Hboots with 1.33.0006 or 1.33.0010 or soemthing I think it is Jul 16 01:42:31 er, Pesetas Jul 16 01:44:20 hah, 20 pesetas are/were worth a little over 1 Euro-cent Jul 16 01:45:06 woot Jul 16 01:45:26 ah, sorry, 6c Jul 16 01:45:27 pesetas are fractions of pesos? Jul 16 01:45:40 pesetas are the pre-Euro currency of Spain Jul 16 01:45:45 oh, hm Jul 16 01:45:53 hey, if anyone sees Hunterkll, please highlight me Jul 16 01:46:00 k, will do Jul 16 01:46:20 i think i referred him to you last night, not sure if that was the guy Jul 16 01:46:40 tmzt: you know you can leave him a memo? Jul 16 01:47:07 /msg memoserv help Jul 16 01:47:38 hm Jul 16 01:49:15 oooo Jul 16 01:49:20 i didnt know that existed Jul 16 01:50:21 k4r1m: okay, that makes sense Jul 16 01:50:39 woul't recommend it though Jul 16 01:50:57 you might get a bigger spot Jul 16 01:52:33 what does this mean Jul 16 01:52:35 Unbridged Bridged Jul 16 01:52:39 under my wireless settings Jul 16 01:52:44 (on my router) Jul 16 01:52:45 means theres no bridge Jul 16 01:52:48 or a bridge Jul 16 01:52:51 :| Jul 16 01:53:58 www.lmgtfy.com Jul 16 01:54:08 i have Jul 16 01:54:10 well Jul 16 01:54:11 bridge router wireless settings Jul 16 01:54:12 not this Jul 16 01:54:13 :P Jul 16 01:54:18 lol Jul 16 01:54:44 ok Jul 16 01:55:06 anyone know how to trick apps on the dream to talk over wifi instead of the cellular network? Jul 16 01:55:37 ? Jul 16 01:55:38 yeah Jul 16 01:55:40 turn on wifi Jul 16 01:55:42 lol Jul 16 01:55:46 if wifi is available theyll go for it Jul 16 01:55:56 not this one I'm playing with. Jul 16 01:56:00 depends on if the app is written that way Jul 16 01:56:04 hm Jul 16 01:56:07 infact, I don't see any activity from it over wifi at all. Jul 16 01:56:24 you can disable data lol Jul 16 01:56:32 but thats excessive for 1 app Jul 16 01:56:38 I took my sim out :{ Jul 16 01:56:41 still doesn't go over wifi Jul 16 01:56:47 WUT Jul 16 01:56:53 WTF Jul 16 01:56:55 lol Jul 16 01:56:58 who wrote that app, t-mobile? Jul 16 01:57:00 what app? Jul 16 01:57:03 tell them to suck it Jul 16 01:57:07 no comment. Jul 16 01:57:11 hahhahaha Jul 16 01:57:13 hahaha Jul 16 01:57:19 its his app :X Jul 16 01:57:23 lmao Jul 16 01:57:44 i figured t-mo would do it intentionally Jul 16 01:57:56 so aakashpatel tell him how to write the app to use wifi Jul 16 01:58:11 oh Jul 16 01:58:14 thats easy! Jul 16 01:58:16 lol Jul 16 01:58:21 ...k Jul 16 01:58:23 just dont tell it not to use wifi :) Jul 16 01:58:40 well share knowledge, not commonplaces Jul 16 01:58:57 warewolf: are you talking about the amazon app? Jul 16 01:59:02 well, he musta done something to make it use data Jul 16 01:59:21 amazon mp3 ftl Jul 16 01:59:40 oh, wait. wrong way. amazon only uses wifi, not data Jul 16 01:59:46 ohk Jul 16 02:00:00 which is annoying if you don't have wifi ;) Jul 16 02:00:10 heh Jul 16 02:00:10 (and easy to.. erm. "fix") Jul 16 02:01:02 is there any way to have a silent ringtone? I've googled through several pages, downloaded several ringtones that do play as "silent" on the computer, however, once transferred over to the sdcard, the G1 phone still plays em with sound (sort of as a default "silent" ringtone that beeps like 3 times) Jul 16 02:01:22 prodigy_: get Rings Extended Jul 16 02:01:31 prodigy_: and let me give you a mp3 of silence Jul 16 02:01:45 prodigy_: I do exactly that for notifications Jul 16 02:01:53 heh Jul 16 02:02:06 warewolf: ok, let me download rings extended ...can you email me that silence mp3? Jul 16 02:02:18 prodigy_: can I put it somewhere online for you to download instead>? Jul 16 02:02:28 warewolf: oh..that works too! :D Jul 16 02:03:13 prodigy_: http://xabean.com/android/silence.mp3 Jul 16 02:05:37 hmmmm would i really need a firewall if i have a nat'ed router? Jul 16 02:06:03 Just started with cupcake 3 days ago. Wondering what is the definitive way of handling orientation of device ? Usecase: app in the middle of a HttpClient connection (with progressbar) is rotated. Jul 16 02:06:44 warewolf: so still just put that silence.mp3 into my ringtones folder, and that should work through rings extended right? Jul 16 02:07:24 put the silence.mp3 on your sdcard, and when you set your ringtone, select music and go pick that silence.mp3 Jul 16 02:07:30 kuchingboy, #android-dev Jul 16 02:07:43 warewolf: so select it as Music, not android system etc.. Jul 16 02:08:03 Thanks. Moving to #android-dev Jul 16 02:13:29 k so Jul 16 02:13:45 dunno why im suddenly totally retarded while trying to install HTC IME Jul 16 02:13:53 googles android keybaord is balls Jul 16 02:14:09 warewolf: do you use advanced task manager? Do I have to exclude Rings Extended from being killed when i use the taskmanager? Or can I safely kill it and still expect it to work with the correct ringtones? Jul 16 02:14:40 er wut Jul 16 02:15:00 jpa-- i installed the htc ime Jul 16 02:15:01 er, I don't see rings extended staying up after setting a ringtone. Jul 16 02:15:03 its not hard Jul 16 02:15:10 TommyBres: do i have to do that $ adb remout Jul 16 02:15:16 yeah Jul 16 02:15:19 $adb push libt9.so /system/lib/libt9.so Jul 16 02:15:23 where from? dos prompt? Jul 16 02:15:27 or from terminal on thephone? Jul 16 02:15:32 prompt Jul 16 02:15:32 pc Jul 16 02:15:55 if you dont have the sdk, you can do it manually by putting the files on your sd card Jul 16 02:15:56 warewolf: yeah i still see it up and it uses 19k memory hehe Jul 16 02:16:01 then in terminal emulator Jul 16 02:16:04 i even refreshed numerous times Jul 16 02:16:16 i have the sdk Jul 16 02:16:16 I don't see it in mine. Jul 16 02:16:22 isnt that the only way to root? Jul 16 02:16:24 cp /sdcard/libt9.so /system/lib/libt9.so Jul 16 02:16:40 jpa-- i dont know? i never rooted Jul 16 02:16:45 oh really!!!! Jul 16 02:16:45 weird Jul 16 02:16:54 i have a dev phone Jul 16 02:16:57 ahh i see Jul 16 02:17:08 not sure what exactly that means but k Jul 16 02:17:09 heh Jul 16 02:17:22 dev phones are pre-rooted dreams Jul 16 02:17:38 prodigy_: rings extended goes away on my phone Jul 16 02:18:37 has anyone used bluex? does it work well? Jul 16 02:18:51 um Jul 16 02:18:56 * TommyBres googles bluex Jul 16 02:19:06 LOL Jul 16 02:19:23 it's the app that allows bluetooth file transfers Jul 16 02:19:38 oh... awesome :P Jul 16 02:19:38 god I am so happy that wget is in random roms Jul 16 02:20:51 bluex Jul 16 02:20:55 the new street drug Jul 16 02:21:10 ew its 2 pounds? Jul 16 02:21:12 lol Jul 16 02:21:18 wut Jul 16 02:21:20 hannah_ id wait for a free one :P Jul 16 02:21:25 thats one pricey drug Jul 16 02:21:29 aakashpatel bluex Jul 16 02:21:38 yeah Jul 16 02:21:49 probably will Jul 16 02:22:37 excuse the ignorance but a bluetooth file transfer seems to simple to cost $3.50 heh Jul 16 02:22:56 uhhh Jul 16 02:23:01 its not really too simple lol Jul 16 02:23:20 wifi tether = more cimplicado, no? Jul 16 02:23:21 just like streaming audio from your comps mic over the net and playing it on the other side Jul 16 02:23:23 and its free Jul 16 02:23:27 yes...I agree...the dream/g1 should have come with the function out of the box Jul 16 02:23:32 but alas Jul 16 02:23:35 it did not LOL Jul 16 02:23:45 aakashpatel my w810i can do it for free Jul 16 02:23:49 isn't bluetooth transfer speed like 5K/s? Jul 16 02:24:47 nah, bluetooth is pretty good Jul 16 02:24:53 jpa-- whered you gooo Jul 16 02:25:00 wifi > bluetoof Jul 16 02:25:14 had to reboot phone Jul 16 02:25:16 and im tethering on it currently Jul 16 02:25:41 think you could explain exactly what to do to install that HTC IME keyboard? Jul 16 02:25:45 and plz explain it like you were trying to teach a 5 year old Jul 16 02:25:48 jpa--: make a cup of coffee while your at it Jul 16 02:25:50 because evidentally i'm retarded Jul 16 02:25:52 uhh Jul 16 02:25:53 fine Jul 16 02:26:06 http://haykuro.theiphoneproject.org/?p=213 Jul 16 02:26:07 :) Jul 16 02:26:09 haha sweet Jul 16 02:26:09 download that zip Jul 16 02:26:14 I just installed the htc ime Jul 16 02:26:16 timeout! Jul 16 02:26:18 do you have root Jul 16 02:26:20 warewolf: it rules Jul 16 02:26:21 Hey Jul 16 02:26:26 AakashPatel: yup Jul 16 02:26:26 I had to clear out some junk from /system/app though Jul 16 02:26:31 jpa--: okay Jul 16 02:26:32 bluetooth 2 is around 2mbit/s Jul 16 02:26:33 download that zip Jul 16 02:26:37 nuked the built in email client, amazon, etc Jul 16 02:26:38 I cant make videos of my phone, because my phone is the camera Jul 16 02:26:42 damn it Jul 16 02:26:52 hahahaha Jul 16 02:27:32 hey is there a good organizer for android Jul 16 02:27:33 AakashPatel: k done Jul 16 02:27:38 extract it Jul 16 02:27:59 haha does it matter where? Jul 16 02:28:02 nope Jul 16 02:28:02 zelrikriando: why do you need an organizer for your phone? Don't you just have 1? :D Jul 16 02:28:08 jpa--: not on your phone lol Jul 16 02:28:35 hahaha kk Jul 16 02:28:40 JesusFreke: do I :D Jul 16 02:28:44 do you have the SDK? jpa-- Jul 16 02:28:49 AakashPatel: yup Jul 16 02:28:53 great Jul 16 02:28:57 now hook up your phone Jul 16 02:29:15 is the sdk /tools dir in your $path? Jul 16 02:29:52 lol Jul 16 02:29:54 yup Jul 16 02:29:57 okay Jul 16 02:30:03 then run "adb root" in your terminal Jul 16 02:30:14 no Jul 16 02:30:17 err.. this part apparently you'll have to tell me all the steps before i try Jul 16 02:30:18 yes. Jul 16 02:30:21 just adb remount Jul 16 02:30:24 blehh Jul 16 02:30:25 cuz adb.exe conflicts with pdanet drivers Jul 16 02:30:28 TommyBres: on adp1 roms you have to Jul 16 02:30:34 so ill have to disconnect to do all the adb crap again Jul 16 02:30:34 ...not true Jul 16 02:30:40 yes, true Jul 16 02:30:42 i did it today dude Jul 16 02:30:43 I DID IT Jul 16 02:30:48 official rom? Jul 16 02:30:48 doesn't matter what phone my mode is in? Jul 16 02:30:50 err mode my phone Jul 16 02:30:50 like, this exact process Jul 16 02:30:53 I think not!!! Jul 16 02:30:53 no im on google rom Jul 16 02:30:57 err Jul 16 02:30:57 jf1.51 Jul 16 02:31:02 yeah Jul 16 02:31:06 nk02 ion Jul 16 02:31:06 you dont have to on that one Jul 16 02:31:06 rogers-signed Jul 16 02:31:12 k Jul 16 02:31:15 noob Jul 16 02:31:19 :P Jul 16 02:31:21 im very noob Jul 16 02:31:25 jpa--: uhhhh Jul 16 02:31:28 doesn't matter what mode my phone is in? Jul 16 02:31:29 so get adb working lol Jul 16 02:31:32 no Jul 16 02:31:34 k Jul 16 02:31:36 i was talkinto aakash lol Jul 16 02:31:48 * AakashPatel pwns TommyBres at lfe Jul 16 02:31:50 ... Jul 16 02:31:52 :| Jul 16 02:31:55 i spelled life wrong Jul 16 02:32:00 blahah Jul 16 02:32:01 haha fail Jul 16 02:32:07 @ life Jul 16 02:32:12 k so Jul 16 02:32:25 im gonna have to disconnect to do the adb stuff since PDANet conflicts with adb usb drivers Jul 16 02:32:27 and im currently tethered via pdanet Jul 16 02:32:30 christ, the android keyboard is 700k. The HTC keboard is four point one megabytes. Jul 16 02:32:36 so at this point, i just do all the steps in that website? Jul 16 02:32:40 http://haykuro.theiphoneproject.org/?p=213 Jul 16 02:32:41 yep Jul 16 02:32:45 yepppp] Jul 16 02:32:47 k gonna give this a shit Jul 16 02:32:48 HA Jul 16 02:32:49 shot Jul 16 02:32:52 haha Jul 16 02:33:00 i need less marijuana in my life Jul 16 02:33:00 brb Jul 16 02:33:35 haha i need more Jul 16 02:33:41 I've never seen a quit message more apt. Jul 16 02:33:53 hello there jbq :) Jul 16 02:34:06 Hey Jul 16 02:34:14 hows it goin Jul 16 02:34:36 Not bad. My head hurts a bit, too much git work today, going back home. Jul 16 02:34:50 hah nice Jul 16 02:35:00 7:35, thats a long day Jul 16 02:35:23 About normal, I guess. Jul 16 02:35:43 when'd you get in? Jul 16 02:36:03 Well, I was in the office around 9am, but I had started working from home a while before that. Jul 16 02:36:23 bah, i'd die Jul 16 02:36:25 I might have worked about 12 hours today, about normal. Long is >14 hours. Jul 16 02:36:46 o.O Jul 16 02:36:50 thats one hell of a job lol Jul 16 02:37:00 s/job/life Jul 16 02:37:06 lol Jul 16 02:37:08 I can do 12 hours a day 6 days a week, or 14 hours a day 5 days a week, but more than that I can't sustain more than 2 or 3 weeks in a row. Jul 16 02:37:26 time for another vacation, eh? Jul 16 02:37:37 nah, I'm good, I'm having fun. Jul 16 02:37:42 haha no wonder you havent been comin in here much as of late Jul 16 02:38:09 Yeah, I'm often logged in, but I don't follow actively Jul 16 02:38:10 k so Jul 16 02:38:23 constant force close dialogues for Touch Input Jul 16 02:38:23 wow Jul 16 02:38:57 what keyboard you use XD Jul 16 02:38:58 it worked on every other rom i tried so far hahaha Jul 16 02:39:07 none.. i was using the stock google keyboard Jul 16 02:39:14 ohh Jul 16 02:39:51 this is fucked Jul 16 02:39:53 err Jul 16 02:39:55 pardon language Jul 16 02:39:57 this is messed Jul 16 02:40:00 :0 Jul 16 02:40:02 i can't type anything, anywhere, ever Jul 16 02:40:02 * AakashPatel spazzes out Jul 16 02:40:06 constant force close Jul 16 02:40:10 and im sure i did it right Jul 16 02:40:23 could it be this lame rom? Jul 16 02:40:24 google ion Jul 16 02:40:25 The sucky part today for me was when someone came to see me at 4:30pm telling me they needed something done right away, and that was a ~3h task. Jul 16 02:40:40 ugh Jul 16 02:41:04 haha Jul 16 02:41:06 lame rom Jul 16 02:41:37 i don't mind google ion besides it's inability to implement this keyboard Jul 16 02:41:43 other than that, it's cute Jul 16 02:41:53 aakashpatel, any ideas of what else could fix my callerid Jul 16 02:41:56 ohh Jul 16 02:41:59 ask jbq :P Jul 16 02:41:59 wipeless Jul 16 02:42:00 or what could fix my stupid keyboard? Jul 16 02:42:09 I know nothing Jul 16 02:42:11 uhno lol Jul 16 02:42:14 lol wut??? Jul 16 02:42:21 jbq: what do you working usually? Jul 16 02:42:45 heh Jul 16 02:42:45 brb Jul 16 02:42:45 what are your english? Jul 16 02:42:50 I'm Mr Open-Source in the Android team, those days I spend a lot of time merging changes around. Jul 16 02:43:00 oh Jul 16 02:43:03 the merge man lol Jul 16 02:43:08 aakashpatel he just got done talking about his stupid-long workday lol Jul 16 02:43:14 pretty much, yeah. Jul 16 02:43:17 lol woops Jul 16 02:43:19 okay Jul 16 02:43:22 brb Jul 16 02:43:23 sounds like pretty important stuff Jul 16 02:43:27 pay attention! Jul 16 02:43:35 but i mean.. i can't type stuff! Jul 16 02:43:37 on my phone Jul 16 02:43:41 teh keyboard is bunkified Jul 16 02:43:43 plz to fix? Jul 16 02:43:51 plz what your are say is english? Jul 16 02:44:33 lol Jul 16 02:44:34 c'mon guys Jul 16 02:44:36 you seemed smart 5 minutes ago Jul 16 02:44:51 now you're all stupid because you broke my keyboard and can't fix it!! Jul 16 02:44:55 * jpa-- rages Jul 16 02:44:55 :P Jul 16 02:45:12 what did you do to break it? Jul 16 02:45:22 i followed instructions Jul 16 02:45:23 and installed it Jul 16 02:45:42 uh, k Jul 16 02:45:45 wait Jul 16 02:45:48 and we're the morons? Jul 16 02:45:52 and now theres no soft keyboard at all? Jul 16 02:46:01 kny im a moron, hes got me there Jul 16 02:46:06 KNY: a.) you weren't involved.. b.) that's what the irony was Jul 16 02:46:08 jpa--: did you nandroid backup your phone? Jul 16 02:46:12 ........ Jul 16 02:46:13 no Jul 16 02:46:18 i did like.. a week ago Jul 16 02:46:28 but it wasn't part of the instructions tonight :) Jul 16 02:46:41 * warewolf adjusts a setting in his irc client Jul 16 02:46:48 and i was very clear Jul 16 02:46:49 [22:25] think you could explain exactly what to do to install that HTC IME keyboard? Jul 16 02:46:50 jpa-- what EXACTLY did you do Jul 16 02:46:52 [22:25] and plz explain it like you were trying to teach a 5 year old Jul 16 02:47:04 the .so file to the lib folder Jul 16 02:47:10 the .apk to the app folder Jul 16 02:47:15 TommyBres: downloaded htc_ime.zip.. extracted it to c:/android/tools ... went into dos and typed "adb remount" Jul 16 02:47:18 and reboot? Jul 16 02:47:25 and then Jul 16 02:47:25 $ adb push libt9.so /system/lib/libt9.so Jul 16 02:47:25 $ adb push HTC_IME.apk /system/app/HTC_IME.apk Jul 16 02:47:25 $ adb shell reboot Jul 16 02:47:25 without the $ Jul 16 02:47:35 everything was fine, according to prompts Jul 16 02:47:36 then rebooted Jul 16 02:47:40 and upon boot.... FAIL Jul 16 02:47:41 yawn Jul 16 02:47:46 touch input force close Jul 16 02:47:55 go to settings Jul 16 02:47:58 brb Jul 16 02:47:58 locale and text Jul 16 02:47:59 dude. bring the phone back and get a different one Jul 16 02:48:01 * Macer grins Jul 16 02:48:04 lol Jul 16 02:48:14 i've never seen someone have so many problems with a phone :) Jul 16 02:48:26 me? im not the one with the problem... Jul 16 02:48:31 no Jul 16 02:48:34 jpa--: Jul 16 02:48:35 oh ok Jul 16 02:48:35 :) Jul 16 02:48:45 TommyBres: when i try to go to touch input settings, Jul 16 02:48:45 i didnt know he was infamous as i am haha Jul 16 02:48:46 it force closes Jul 16 02:48:54 lol Jul 16 02:48:55 can't tether Jul 16 02:48:59 can't install a keyboard Jul 16 02:49:06 im telling you it's the phone Jul 16 02:49:08 are you sure this is supposed to work for magics? Jul 16 02:49:09 haha Jul 16 02:49:15 and that's why i said Jul 16 02:49:19 bring hte phone back and get a different one :) Jul 16 02:49:25 macer youre a dick, just be quiet Jul 16 02:49:36 this keyboard worked on other roms Jul 16 02:49:36 on this phone Jul 16 02:49:39 TommyBres: lol. no i'm not Jul 16 02:49:39 i'm being seriosu Jul 16 02:49:42 seriosu Jul 16 02:49:46 hm Jul 16 02:49:47 wtf Jul 16 02:49:56 totally seriosu Jul 16 02:50:07 this is seriosu business Jul 16 02:50:07 don't mess around Jul 16 02:50:10 he's seriosu Jul 16 02:50:29 jpa-- worst case scenario, uncheck touch input and remove the files you adb pushed Jul 16 02:50:30 there is obviously something missing on the magic that is making it impossible for him to use android in a manner that most people are used to using a g1 Jul 16 02:50:41 macer, shut up Jul 16 02:50:57 theres nothing youre saying that could possibly be productive Jul 16 02:51:02 actually Jul 16 02:51:05 im beginning to think he's right Jul 16 02:51:07 why? it's true. i am sure there are suttle differences between the phones that are causing the problems Jul 16 02:51:08 lol Jul 16 02:51:11 because ive had problems trying to flash particular roms Jul 16 02:51:12 :-P Jul 16 02:51:18 and certain apps won't work Jul 16 02:51:20 now this Jul 16 02:51:25 ....hah Jul 16 02:51:25 like.. OBVIOUSLY it's not me Jul 16 02:51:33 thats how ive felt Jul 16 02:51:36 200 times Jul 16 02:51:42 with my dream Jul 16 02:51:46 he is probably following guides related to people that have used a g1 Jul 16 02:51:56 Macer: wrong Jul 16 02:52:05 ive made sure what im following is confirmed for magic as well Jul 16 02:52:05 im not that stupid Jul 16 02:52:11 right now my caller id shows unknown for every single call, even outgoing in the call logs Jul 16 02:52:16 thoughtful yes.. but im very uneducated when it comes to all this stuff Jul 16 02:52:18 jpa--: so others have gotten this to work? Jul 16 02:52:28 lol! Jul 16 02:52:29 TommyBres: haha Jul 16 02:52:31 jpa--: i just said even *I* had it working on other roms Jul 16 02:52:35 that's just messed up Jul 16 02:52:40 jpa--: oh Jul 16 02:52:40 yeah no shit Jul 16 02:52:46 now today i flashed to the google ion rom Jul 16 02:52:48 and its fail Jul 16 02:52:48 happened after apps2sd i think Jul 16 02:52:52 lol Jul 16 02:53:01 but how do i fix? nobody knows Jul 16 02:53:15 you used apps2sd? Jul 16 02:53:16 like you bought it? Jul 16 02:53:16 this phone is too open Jul 16 02:53:18 :) Jul 16 02:53:21 no? Jul 16 02:53:25 got it free on xda Jul 16 02:53:52 so you just did the steps that apps2sd does for you and charges you $1 to do it? Jul 16 02:53:56 heh Jul 16 02:54:25 no? Jul 16 02:54:32 the app is pretty useful Jul 16 02:54:44 what else does it do that you can't do from a term? Jul 16 02:55:01 has a list of all apps on the phone and lets you check them to put them back on internal memory Jul 16 02:55:17 what prevents you from doing that from a term? Jul 16 02:55:37 or is it just bedcause it's gui based that makes it appealing? Jul 16 02:55:38 terminal would require ls of both directories of /system/sd and /system/app Jul 16 02:56:02 macer this is why youre banned from -offtopic, youre a fucking douche Jul 16 02:56:18 why? for asking why you like apps2sd? Jul 16 02:56:23 well whatever :) Jul 16 02:56:29 its more convenient getting one list of all apps than it is to search th 2 directories Jul 16 02:56:32 thats why Jul 16 02:56:41 and i am a douche for asking? Jul 16 02:56:50 insecurity issues or something? :) Jul 16 02:57:02 ...yeah, that must be it Jul 16 02:58:46 i think you're just still pissed because i think fascism would work if it had a proper leader Jul 16 02:58:55 and because i said nyc is a filthy city compared to most :) Jul 16 02:59:04 hahaha Jul 16 02:59:18 although i think cleveland is the new winner Jul 16 02:59:20 heh Jul 16 02:59:22 what a slum Jul 16 02:59:24 looks like im going back to the hero rom Jul 16 02:59:33 slow is better than NON-FUNCTIONAL KEYBOARD Jul 16 02:59:33 ffs Jul 16 02:59:34 you obviously dont have a clue, you said you cant find a spot to sit where theres no graffiti Jul 16 02:59:55 Macer only hangs in the ghetto Jul 16 02:59:55 dawg Jul 16 02:59:56 he's a baller Jul 16 02:59:57 lol **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 16 02:59:57 2009