**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 16 02:59:57 2009 Jul 16 03:00:01 being ignorant isnt your problem, its spewing off like you have a clue that makes you a dumbass Jul 16 03:00:04 er Jul 16 03:00:19 why are you talking about this in #android? don't you have an -offtopic channel for these sorts of things? Jul 16 03:00:22 jpa-- hes probably never been to nyc Jul 16 03:00:32 macer yeah, youre banned from it Jul 16 03:00:34 so stfu Jul 16 03:00:37 :) you called me a douche because i wanted to know why you like apps2sd Jul 16 03:00:52 you are a douche for a million reasons Jul 16 03:00:55 TommyBres: i'll try not to shed any tears over it lol Jul 16 03:00:58 what if i called you a douche, because you come off like a douche? Jul 16 03:01:05 the scrolling text people are mad :) Jul 16 03:01:07 would that have more validity? Jul 16 03:01:35 anyways. i'm going to check out something about android.. seeing as this is t place for android discussion Jul 16 03:01:40 * TommyBres sends mikey an email to remind him to add /ignore to androidirc Jul 16 03:01:57 macer youre the one who got off topic, prettyboy Jul 16 03:02:06 all i did was ask you about apps2sd Jul 16 03:02:10 haha Jul 16 03:02:16 wtf is apps2sd ? Jul 16 03:02:17 now shouldint THIS be in -offtopic Jul 16 03:02:25 amason_: your apps on on your sdcard Jul 16 03:02:27 AakashPatel|Away: can't be.. i'm banned lol! Jul 16 03:02:29 instead of the phone Jul 16 03:02:33 haha Jul 16 03:02:45 AakashPatel|Away: well.. i was just wondering what was teh use of it when you can do it frmo a term Jul 16 03:02:51 which is all i asked and he called me a douche haha Jul 16 03:02:53 AakashPatel: ah i see. Jul 16 03:02:53 wtf? Jul 16 03:03:00 zelrikriando: you have any problems with your phone slowing down like a LOT after installing maybe 5 to 10 apps ? Jul 16 03:03:04 haha Jul 16 03:03:16 jpa--: nope Jul 16 03:03:20 Macer: haha Jul 16 03:03:23 AakashPatel: get yoru vpn working yet? Jul 16 03:03:34 you knwo if there are any android vpn clients? Jul 16 03:03:39 Macer: plz join #laugh-at-peoples-questions-instead-of-provide-input Jul 16 03:03:41 i knwo i saw something which kind of had no relation Jul 16 03:03:49 jpa--: i did provide input Jul 16 03:03:53 Macer: no, only 1 wired port Jul 16 03:03:58 AakashPatel: oh Jul 16 03:04:16 i need wireless to do it also :/ Jul 16 03:04:18 i said taht if your problems are the use of the phone.. then maybe you might have better luck returning it and getting a known working phone Jul 16 03:04:27 like replace the magic for a dream or something Jul 16 03:04:39 ? Jul 16 03:04:40 if you disagree then that is your perogative.. but i am tethering and have an htc kb on my g1 Jul 16 03:04:47 i already had the dream Jul 16 03:04:50 and returned it for the magic Jul 16 03:04:51 whereas you are having nothing but problems Jul 16 03:04:56 macer, no one in here wants your advice, take a hint Jul 16 03:05:00 (then vice versa) Jul 16 03:05:08 TommyBres: well he asked for input and i gave my opinion Jul 16 03:05:15 :) i wasn't being rude it was just a suggestion Jul 16 03:05:30 so much rudeness and hostility! Jul 16 03:05:31 k, since then he has stated he doesnt want your input Jul 16 03:05:39 no Jul 16 03:05:39 next time ill specify to ask for knowledge input of a factual basis, rather than your opinion (which is simply how you FEEL about something) Jul 16 03:05:40 ignorant, douche. Jul 16 03:05:41 so thats a hint to stop giving it Jul 16 03:05:45 he said i wasn't providing input Jul 16 03:05:49 jpa--: I didnt have that problem I think Jul 16 03:05:51 those are words people must mentioned in your presence quite often Jul 16 03:05:52 anyways Jul 16 03:05:54 wtf is happening Jul 16 03:05:54 * TommyBres shakes head Jul 16 03:05:54 you're right omm Jul 16 03:05:57 TommyBres: :) Jul 16 03:06:02 of course Jul 16 03:06:20 if this was survivor Jul 16 03:06:20 you'd be voted OFF Jul 16 03:06:23 TommyBres: is turning the # into #emo-android Jul 16 03:06:25 haha Jul 16 03:06:26 this is my island, biznatch Jul 16 03:06:28 :) Jul 16 03:06:32 you are the weakest link! Jul 16 03:06:38 goodbye Jul 16 03:06:40 hhaah Jul 16 03:06:42 anywho, time to flash back to Hero Jul 16 03:06:43 BYE Jul 16 03:06:49 ;P Jul 16 03:06:49 leeds should i keep taking the personal attacks? Jul 16 03:06:49 how original.. anyways.. AakashPatel what do you mean about wired link? Jul 16 03:07:08 i know im the only one you'll ban leeds, but sometimes id like an op Jul 16 03:07:24 AakashPatel: no luck with the vpn yet? :) Jul 16 03:07:29 if you find an android client can you let me knwo? Jul 16 03:07:40 Hello Jul 16 03:08:00 morning licksjp Jul 16 03:08:02 Macer: i got port 4 to give out 192.168,2,* addresses Jul 16 03:08:09 but i need wireless to give out those also Jul 16 03:08:17 right now its giving out 192,168,1,* Jul 16 03:08:19 AakashPatel: ah yeah.. you wanted to saet up vland Jul 16 03:08:20 is there an android irc network Jul 16 03:08:26 vlans.. :) i forgot Jul 16 03:08:26 that is other than freenode :p Jul 16 03:08:33 can't you jsut bridge the wifi interface with its own ? Jul 16 03:08:46 Macer: idk what to do :( Jul 16 03:08:48 or set up the vlan with both wifi and lan support ? Jul 16 03:08:51 lol Jul 16 03:08:59 Leeds, hello Jul 16 03:09:00 yeah.. what you're doing is a little tricky Jul 16 03:09:10 you should work on one network first.. then get the other one going Jul 16 03:09:20 there's always 2 routers ;) Jul 16 03:09:27 lol i wanted to use 1 :) Jul 16 03:09:35 AakashPatel: yeah i know.. but if all else fails Jul 16 03:09:47 i know :/ Jul 16 03:09:49 AakashPatel: androffice has word processor support yet? Jul 16 03:09:54 hell no Jul 16 03:09:56 sry, updated my irc app Jul 16 03:09:59 blah. damnit heh Jul 16 03:10:09 at least hidd works Jul 16 03:10:10 macer dont cry, i was never leaving Jul 16 03:10:11 Macer: okay, i wanna set up my vpn now lol Jul 16 03:10:11 Leeds, How r u? Jul 16 03:10:13 so some day Jul 16 03:10:29 ill worrty aobut those faggot clients tomorrow Jul 16 03:10:36 licksjp: looking forward to my holidays on Saturday :) you? Jul 16 03:10:42 AakashPatel: hahah Jul 16 03:10:46 the vpn is easy Jul 16 03:11:01 i think the harder part would be setting up the client in a non-windows os Jul 16 03:11:04 which is still probably very easy Jul 16 03:11:18 but requires a little more to get going.. you can test with the tether Jul 16 03:11:18 if i have ipsec and some shit itseasy Jul 16 03:11:22 ah crap. you said your tether wasn't working huh? Jul 16 03:11:27 no Jul 16 03:11:28 i got it workign Jul 16 03:11:31 i mean Jul 16 03:11:33 oh. :) Jul 16 03:11:36 it was always working Jul 16 03:11:38 that's awesome then Jul 16 03:11:45 hmm....client ip's Jul 16 03:11:47 you can use it as the testing grounds Jul 16 03:11:55 just give it like 100-150 Jul 16 03:12:06 if you click "more" on the right it will tell you how everythign should look Jul 16 03:12:16 yeah Jul 16 03:12:20 Leeds, I am Japanese and I ive in Japan Jul 16 03:12:20 aakashpatel you get the newest androidirc? Jul 16 03:12:21 but why client ip Jul 16 03:12:24 no Jul 16 03:12:31 the vpn clients line should be like.. x.x.x.1-20 Jul 16 03:12:41 smaller text Jul 16 03:12:41 licksjp: good. I am English and I live in Hong Kong Jul 16 03:12:47 uhhhhh Jul 16 03:12:50 or, not bolded usernames Jul 16 03:12:56 Macer: my network is 192.168.1.* Jul 16 03:13:06 it seems smaller i think just because of the lack of bold Jul 16 03:13:09 so make the client range like... 30-50 or something ;) Jul 16 03:13:13 so would i make it 192.168.1.100-150? Jul 16 03:13:20 but why? Jul 16 03:13:21 just make sure it doesn't overlap like.. your dhcp range Jul 16 03:13:27 ohhh Jul 16 03:13:29 because vpn doesn't use your dhcp range for clients Jul 16 03:13:35 it uses its own range Jul 16 03:13:39 ohh! so this is the ip's that it assings to the clients! Jul 16 03:13:43 yeah Jul 16 03:13:45 assigns* Jul 16 03:13:54 it's kind ... of well.. like a dialup Jul 16 03:13:54 Leeds, do u have a android ? Jul 16 03:13:56 (sort of) Jul 16 03:13:57 192.168.1.50-99 Jul 16 03:14:03 i suppose that is the easiest way to explain it ;) Jul 16 03:14:06 licksjp: I have two android phones, yes :) Jul 16 03:14:07 lol Jul 16 03:14:11 like dialing up over a network? :) Jul 16 03:14:25 over the tether for the g1 it's great Jul 16 03:14:27 i'm on mine now Jul 16 03:14:32 * TommyBres has a real android... robots rule Jul 16 03:14:34 I have entryed the soft in androidmarket Jul 16 03:14:37 * AakashPatel hopes his router doesnt freeze Jul 16 03:14:43 yay! Jul 16 03:14:44 which makes it even better because at least you are somewhat encrypted over the tether Jul 16 03:14:48 it didnt today Jul 16 03:14:52 okay Jul 16 03:14:53 now. Jul 16 03:14:55 whats next Jul 16 03:14:58 instead of having completely open ota packets flying all over Jul 16 03:15:02 you're done? Jul 16 03:15:05 yea Jul 16 03:15:07 you set up a chaps-secrets line? Jul 16 03:15:08 licksjp: congratulations - so have I Jul 16 03:15:10 yep Jul 16 03:15:15 with like... login * pw * Jul 16 03:15:18 yes Jul 16 03:15:18 ok Jul 16 03:15:18 Leeds, ty Jul 16 03:15:23 set up your client ;) Jul 16 03:15:28 use xp just because it's easier Jul 16 03:15:33 but i need that ipsec shiz Jul 16 03:15:35 if you don't then... i dunno? :) haha Jul 16 03:15:37 dont i? Jul 16 03:15:40 it should be initialized already Jul 16 03:15:44 oh Jul 16 03:15:49 lemme try :) Jul 16 03:15:50 that's it really Jul 16 03:16:00 your client controls whether it uses encryption or not Jul 16 03:16:10 which you should always have on :) Jul 16 03:16:15 otherwise it woudl be kind of pointless haha Jul 16 03:16:17 L2TP over IPSec Jul 16 03:16:22 or PPTP Jul 16 03:16:27 lol what is this word compilation suit the HTC keyboard is doing Jul 16 03:16:40 completion Jul 16 03:16:40 I have been to Hongkong Jul 16 03:16:52 keep them both on Jul 16 03:16:54 heh Jul 16 03:17:03 lol Jul 16 03:17:04 use ipsec first i guess :) Jul 16 03:17:07 it makes me select one Jul 16 03:17:08 ill tr Jul 16 03:17:10 u Jul 16 03:17:11 try Jul 16 03:17:13 * _Auron_ is almost done with the text drawing engine Jul 16 03:17:13 boths hould work Jul 16 03:17:18 I haven't been to Japan Jul 16 03:17:23 at least i'm pretty sure they should haha Jul 16 03:17:24 I want to go there :) Jul 16 03:17:53 it should kind of dial up the vpn (in that sort of dial up kind of way) Jul 16 03:17:55 Hong kong is big city Jul 16 03:18:20 Macer: ipsec secret is missing Jul 16 03:18:20 7 million people in Hong Kong, but not all in one city Jul 16 03:18:38 hm Jul 16 03:18:39 wtf Jul 16 03:18:41 hold on Jul 16 03:18:44 k Jul 16 03:18:57 Leeds, r u developer for android? Jul 16 03:19:14 yup Jul 16 03:19:19 my bad Jul 16 03:19:21 ptpp Jul 16 03:19:22 heh Jul 16 03:19:27 wtf Jul 16 03:19:30 er Jul 16 03:19:30 =) Jul 16 03:19:31 pptp Jul 16 03:19:34 how is this secure then? Jul 16 03:19:41 i want a cisco client Jul 16 03:19:46 without root Jul 16 03:19:49 pleze Jul 16 03:19:50 should have been pptp over ipsec Jul 16 03:20:20 like xp has a "require data encryption (disconnect if none) Jul 16 03:20:22 option Jul 16 03:20:26 lols Jul 16 03:20:32 error Jul 16 03:20:32 8.2 million in one city Jul 16 03:20:33 hold on Jul 16 03:20:37 wow really? Jul 16 03:20:41 must be covered in graffiti and pess lol Jul 16 03:20:45 piss* Jul 16 03:20:57 TommyBres: what does this have to do with android? Jul 16 03:21:20 macer idk, android talk seemed optional with you ranting before Jul 16 03:21:21 that sounds rather offtopic.. isn't there an android-offtopic channel for that type of discussion? Jul 16 03:21:38 Could not negotiate a connection with te remote PPP server. Jul 16 03:21:39 well.. right now i am helping AakashPatel with hsi vpn over tethering :) Jul 16 03:21:44 uh huh Jul 16 03:21:51 how are you setting up the client Jul 16 03:21:58 ignore: Unknown command :( Jul 16 03:21:58 uhh on osx Jul 16 03:22:05 i just added a new interface Jul 16 03:22:08 ah crap :) sorry dude.. never did it in osx heh Jul 16 03:22:10 "VPN" PPTP Jul 16 03:22:20 that explains why you had the strange settings heh Jul 16 03:22:33 i did it on my xp netbook.. my macbook is at the house and i'm not there now Jul 16 03:23:08 lol Jul 16 03:23:13 guess that didnt' work haha Jul 16 03:23:26 works? Jul 16 03:23:27 lawlz Jul 16 03:23:28 :) Jul 16 03:23:42 what did you do? restart your router? Jul 16 03:23:55 aakashpatel look at offtopic's topic :P Jul 16 03:23:55 Macer: yeah Jul 16 03:24:08 yeah it works or yeah you restarted your router? Jul 16 03:24:15 no encryption Jul 16 03:24:21 :/ Jul 16 03:24:28 really? Jul 16 03:24:41 i figured the router would handle the encryption Jul 16 03:24:47 haha Jul 16 03:24:49 Macer: it worked, but i had to disable encrytion on my client Jul 16 03:24:53 ya Jul 16 03:24:55 how the hell did yours set up? Jul 16 03:25:08 in xp i just have "disconnect if not encrypted" Jul 16 03:25:18 i did it pretty much the same waqy you did minus the osx ;) Jul 16 03:25:42 http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/PPTP_Server_Configuration Jul 16 03:25:57 maybe it's some weir4d android nat tethering issue haha Jul 16 03:26:21 that spot right there should give you all the information you need ;) Jul 16 03:26:50 lemme reboot router Jul 16 03:26:52 brb Jul 16 03:27:45 lol.. did you see the osx part? Jul 16 03:28:13 lol Jul 16 03:28:15 woops Jul 16 03:28:17 hahah Jul 16 03:28:20 see it? :) Jul 16 03:28:22 heh Jul 16 03:28:40 or did you use the wrong hostname? haha Jul 16 03:28:44 Leeds, r u developper? Jul 16 03:28:54 anyways.. i gotta go. .i'm sure with that guide you'll get your vpn going over the tether Jul 16 03:28:58 licksjp: yes Jul 16 03:29:17 it's great once you get it set up ;) especially like moments when you're not at home and need to do local stuff Jul 16 03:29:22 Leeds, me,too Jul 16 03:29:28 like i'm doing nwo haha.. good luck.. i'll be back later on Jul 16 03:30:10 k Jul 16 03:30:10 cya Jul 16 03:30:30 haha leeds, make a new friend? you share a common bond <3 Jul 16 03:32:05 WTFFf Jul 16 03:32:08 that didnt work! Jul 16 03:32:50 word Jul 16 03:34:16 word Jul 16 03:34:22 man if hero were 100% stable it would be so awesome Jul 16 03:34:39 jpa--: I think it's probably pretty close to 100%... on actual Hero hardware Jul 16 03:34:48 haha well yeah Jul 16 03:34:55 i meant if it were stable on MY phone, obviously Jul 16 03:35:48 Have u entryed ur soft yet,Leeds Jul 16 03:36:08 I've published on the market, if that's what you mean? Jul 16 03:36:33 yes Jul 16 03:47:16 yay! Jul 16 03:47:23 Macer: looks like the HTC Keybaord is working just fine on my phone now Jul 16 03:47:24 you Jul 16 03:47:24 were Jul 16 03:47:25 wrong Jul 16 03:47:26 encryption! Jul 16 03:48:03 haha Jul 16 03:48:11 jpa-- dont say that Jul 16 03:54:25 are we allowed to talk about drugs in here? Jul 16 03:54:28 or is that too blasphemous? Jul 16 03:54:35 cuz i just wanted to say Jul 16 03:54:36 whoa im hi Jul 16 03:54:38 gh Jul 16 03:56:40 bah msn wont work while tethered via pdanet Jul 16 03:56:55 hoping someone really smart steps up and totally fixes wifi tethering for the htc magic Jul 16 03:57:45 lol Jul 16 03:57:47 jpa--: no Jul 16 03:57:49 lol Jul 16 03:57:57 #android-offtopic for drugs Jul 16 04:01:27 <_Auron_> stupid question.. how do I do a toString() for a char? Jul 16 04:02:18 Character.toString(c) Jul 16 04:03:15 <_Auron_> christ eclipse is being stupid Jul 16 04:03:24 <_Auron_> oaky thanks Jul 16 04:03:26 <_Auron_> okay* Jul 16 04:03:44 <_Auron_> I had to retype it before it recognized it Jul 16 04:03:50 lol Jul 16 04:03:55 Macer: can we vpn android XD Jul 16 04:07:45 On source.android.org it says : Java 6 is not supported, because of incompatibilities with @Override. Jul 16 04:08:10 Does this mean it will fail to compile or that it will fail to run correctly post-compilation? Jul 16 04:08:34 heh Jul 16 04:08:36 using pdanet Jul 16 04:08:44 it'll compile and run, but we don't accept contributions that don't compile with java5 Jul 16 04:09:06 browser is painfully slow, gah Jul 16 04:09:17 and all the official builds are done with java5, so if you build with java6 and have a problem, you're on your own. Jul 16 04:10:19 jbq go to sleep :P Jul 16 04:10:39 actually, I'm trying to stay up... otherwise I'll wake up too early again. Jul 16 04:11:05 haha! Jul 16 04:11:10 youre inhuman Jul 16 04:11:23 you jetlagged or something? Jul 16 04:12:09 jbq, where did you go for vacation? Jul 16 04:12:09 I can't make myself sleep more than 7 or 8 hours a night. I'm more like work-lagged, where if I work a lot I get tired, go to bed early, get up early, got more tired, go to bed earlier, etc... Jul 16 04:12:45 KNY: stayed home for a while (took care of a few things), and then tourism in Tahoe / Yosemite / Sequoia / Kings' Canyon. Jul 16 04:12:47 I bet I'd have that problem... if I worked a lot Jul 16 04:12:47 jbq, 24 hours is almost never right for me; it's either too short or long Jul 16 04:13:09 jbq, have you ever seen the built-in caller id fail and show all numbers as unknown? Jul 16 04:13:28 TommyBres: nope, but I don't really receive phone calls... Jul 16 04:13:42 ah, ok Jul 16 04:14:04 nobody calls you, or you don't do cell voice? Jul 16 04:14:06 incoming/outgoing/missed all show as unknown in the call log, its weird as hell Jul 16 04:14:19 Leeds: a bit of both - they go together, right? Jul 16 04:14:30 nobody calls me apart from telesales people, who jabber in Chinese, then when I say hello, they say "ah, sorry, wrong number" and hang up Jul 16 04:14:33 lol Jul 16 04:14:51 I can take a thick French accent to annoy spammers. Jul 16 04:15:06 i may end up getting an i7500 Jul 16 04:15:07 jbq: assume you use google voice 2 - with telepathy! - for most of your calls ;) Jul 16 04:15:20 I've been known to speak Hebrew to touts in China, to get rid of them Jul 16 04:15:46 Leeds: I can't talk about secret projects ;-) Jul 16 04:16:19 haha Jul 16 04:16:40 hebrew is an odd language, seems pretty difficult Jul 16 04:17:44 brb Jul 16 04:17:52 modern Hebrew... oh, he left Jul 16 04:19:36 TommyBres: modern Hebrew isn't too hard, because it was 'designed' around 100 years ago and stripped a lot of the complexity from ancient Hebrew Jul 16 04:19:49 Leeds, isn't Korean like that? Jul 16 04:19:50 ah Jul 16 04:20:12 KNY: I have absolutely no idea :) Jul 16 04:20:18 well leeds the only hebrew ive heard was from the torah at a friend's barmitzvah Jul 16 04:20:26 yeah, that's ancient Hebrew Jul 16 04:20:34 Leeds, is it creepy that i saw you go to bed and I'm *still* on IRC when you get up? Jul 16 04:20:36 and it sounded much harder than english, thats all i know hehe Jul 16 04:21:07 wow. never noticed that the newer wifi tether has wep encryption now Jul 16 04:21:16 nice Jul 16 04:21:18 that is awesome Jul 16 04:21:27 KNY: I think it's pretty creepy if you actually saw me, given that you're thousands of miles away and I don't think there are any cameras in my bedroom Jul 16 04:21:35 at the very least it's better than what it had even though it has wep only heh Jul 16 04:21:41 you dont THINK Jul 16 04:21:44 ;) Jul 16 04:21:45 also, it's noon, lunchtime Jul 16 04:22:03 actually, there are loads of cameras... couple of EeePCs, couple of old phones, couple of old cameras... Jul 16 04:22:25 * darweth is very anti-Hebrew! Jul 16 04:23:21 hahaha Jul 16 04:23:21 er... what? Jul 16 04:23:41 sounds like my friend who had to learn it in sunday school Jul 16 04:23:44 Leeds, secrets Jul 16 04:23:49 As an Ashkenazi Jew, I am pro-Yiddish. Jul 16 04:23:52 err... whatever they call it Jul 16 04:24:24 darweth, since im not jewish does that make me anti-semitic? :P Jul 16 04:24:31 darweth: you think Israelis should all speak Yiddish? Jul 16 04:24:45 TommyBres: don't worry, we know you're racist, anti-semitic, etc. Jul 16 04:24:50 Leeds: I think the decision to boost Modern Hebrew and politically and socially try to suppress Yiddish was a tragic one. Jul 16 04:24:56 haha of course Jul 16 04:24:56 Although Yiddish is having a resurgence. Jul 16 04:25:04 sexist, dont forget that Jul 16 04:25:12 ah, sorry, that's true Jul 16 04:25:25 darweth: maybe in your strange little corner of the world... Jul 16 04:25:35 i discriminate by age, sex, sexual preference, pregnancy status, birthday, race and religion Jul 16 04:25:43 Well, I live in NYC with a large Hasidic community who all speak Yiddish as their first language too. :P Jul 16 04:25:44 oh and height Jul 16 04:25:50 Of course I am an atheistic Jew who speaks neither. Jul 16 04:25:54 darweth im from there hah Jul 16 04:26:02 uh-huh Jul 16 04:26:07 brooklyn? jews? naw Jul 16 04:26:12 :P Jul 16 04:26:31 darweth, ever been to B&H? That place is all Hasidic jews, it's kinda cool Jul 16 04:26:49 B&H? Jul 16 04:26:58 photo/video store Jul 16 04:27:02 bhphotovideo.com Jul 16 04:27:05 Oh, no. Jul 16 04:27:35 my sister worked in brighton, tons of russians Jul 16 04:27:42 whom leeds reminds me i also hate Jul 16 04:27:52 your sister? Jul 16 04:28:18 haha i meant russians Jul 16 04:28:34 but srsly russians are the shit Jul 16 04:29:03 so black Jewish Russian women really float your boat? Jul 16 04:29:27 I lost my virginity to a Russian Jew from Sheepshead Bay. Jul 16 04:29:35 hm Jul 16 04:29:38 haha a black russian? never met one Jul 16 04:29:40 um... TMI Jul 16 04:29:49 darweth where are you from exactly Jul 16 04:29:54 Bensonhurst. Jul 16 04:29:59 oh right Jul 16 04:29:59 black Russian is a great drink Jul 16 04:30:16 youre old though right? Jul 16 04:30:23 28 in a month. Jul 16 04:30:30 Leeds, notice that darweth never specified that it was a black russian *woman* Jul 16 04:30:41 yep Jul 16 04:30:44 LOL Jul 16 04:30:49 KNY: er... or a black russian Jul 16 04:30:53 Lol. Jul 16 04:31:00 Leeds, oh right Jul 16 04:31:10 anyway.... Jul 16 04:31:13 anyways russian women are smokin Jul 16 04:31:14 whatever floats your boat, darweth Jul 16 04:31:29 well, not the old ones with the gold teeth Jul 16 04:31:35 I shall be spending the day in Paris on Sunday... will be testing the limits of my Magic's battery (with external support) and boingo wireless Jul 16 04:31:36 ANYWAY Jul 16 04:31:40 how about that i7500? Jul 16 04:32:00 and then moving on to Spain, where I expect to play with sipdroid rather than making roaming calls Jul 16 04:32:13 kny it looks sickkk Jul 16 04:32:18 how long are you going to be there, Leeds ? Jul 16 04:32:28 TommyBres, not as sick as that U8230 Jul 16 04:32:29 was hoping I might be able to get my hands on an i7500 and/or hero while I'm there Jul 16 04:32:41 Leeds, nice Jul 16 04:32:50 pick up an i7500 and let us know how it is Jul 16 04:32:57 yes Jul 16 04:33:00 what's the price point on those bad boys? Jul 16 04:33:03 KNY: 1 day - literally, a 15-hour stopover - in Paris, then 10-and-a-bit days in Spain Jul 16 04:33:11 haha Jul 16 04:33:16 damn that sucks Leeds Jul 16 04:33:21 What part of Spain? Or all over? Jul 16 04:33:29 at least with those types of layovers you can spend time in the country Jul 16 04:33:48 nah, my parents have a place down south on the Costa del Sol Jul 16 04:34:30 lol Jul 16 04:34:52 Macer: it's not a layover, as such - since we had to change planes somewhere to get to Spain, and the overnight flights to Europe land very early am, I chose a late evening flight out so we'd get a day of frantic sightseeing in Jul 16 04:35:14 oh.. ok Jul 16 04:35:25 i thoguht that was just a lucky scheduling error ;) Jul 16 04:35:33 depending on your definition of luck i suppose Jul 16 04:37:17 Naturally, the price of the unlocked i7500 Galaxy is quite a high one: British customers will have to pay £499 for it – about $808, or €580. Jul 16 04:37:20 forget that! Jul 16 04:37:23 so i've been trying to get back up to date on everything in the android world since i've been out of the game for a month and a half Jul 16 04:37:36 Leeds, why not get a prepaid sim while you're there? Jul 16 04:37:37 and this Hero rom/spl/radio is scaring the crap out of me Jul 16 04:37:48 it should :) Jul 16 04:38:05 KNY: my parents have one in the flat, I think - but I like my number to stay active, not that I get that many calls Jul 16 04:38:07 LOL - http://y.msmobiles.com/microsoft/windows-mobile-comic-strip.jpg Jul 16 04:38:08 my advice, don't do it unless you know what you are doing :) Jul 16 04:38:11 JesusFreke: I like you rom; its safe Jul 16 04:38:21 JesusFreke: I like you; you're safe Jul 16 04:38:27 LOL Jul 16 04:38:31 LOL Jul 16 04:38:33 who was it that was working on dual-sim support for Android? Jul 16 04:38:36 Radix_: rofl. nice Jul 16 04:38:40 he's a dangerous man, you kiddin me? he wears shoes with toes and rides a unicycle Jul 16 04:38:44 * JesusFreke hugs Leeds Jul 16 04:38:44 that just screams "daring" :) Jul 16 04:39:04 i wodner if my wifi skype phone can tether to the g1 Jul 16 04:39:06 heh Jul 16 04:39:08 it's ok Leeds. I'll protected you from the big baddies Jul 16 04:39:10 too bad the skype app sucks Jul 16 04:39:20 this isnt an android question but has anyone here used google apps standard Jul 16 04:39:21 This is lol too - http://msmobiles.com/news.php/8439.html Jul 16 04:39:38 WinMo phone comes with viruses already included! Jul 16 04:39:39 I'm just freaked out by the issues people are reporting about bricking. I already bricked my adp1 once before because it had the dvt board and wasn't playing nice with Haykuro's SPL Jul 16 04:39:41 devslash, I do Jul 16 04:39:46 saves you downloading it yourself Jul 16 04:39:52 kny what do you get with gapps standard Jul 16 04:40:01 is there like a list of the breakdown Jul 16 04:40:14 like X number of mailboxes with each being Y GB Jul 16 04:40:15 ummm the galaxy isnt out yet? Jul 16 04:40:27 devslash: you mean the free version? 50 mailboxes, same size as regular gmail, I think Jul 16 04:40:33 7GB? Jul 16 04:40:34 devslash, email, calendar, chat, docs, sites, google pages Jul 16 04:40:35 TommyBres: yeah it is, in Germany Jul 16 04:40:42 devslash, oh Jul 16 04:40:42 100 actually Jul 16 04:40:51 i figured i could get some on ebay.com or ebay.co.uk Jul 16 04:40:53 Radix_: you sure about that? Jul 16 04:40:58 * TommyBres shudders at the thought of ebay.de Jul 16 04:40:58 devslash, yeah, 100 or 50 or something at 7GB Jul 16 04:41:01 well I have 100 in mine Jul 16 04:41:06 so whats different with gapps standard vs regular gmail Jul 16 04:41:08 grandfathered, probably Jul 16 04:41:13 50 Jul 16 04:41:27 is it that theyre all shared Jul 16 04:41:29 devslash: you can use your own domain Jul 16 04:41:43 devslash, no, each gets 7GB Jul 16 04:41:44 oh and if i get an android i can access my gapp mail right ? Jul 16 04:41:52 devslash, yes, through IMAP Jul 16 04:42:01 devslash, or you can activate your phone using your google apps account Jul 16 04:42:03 KNY: "You can create up to 100 user accounts for this domain." - that's what mine says Jul 16 04:42:04 ok Jul 16 04:42:06 KNY, galaxy on ebay.de for $565 USD Jul 16 04:42:08 Radix_, I get 50 Jul 16 04:42:11 400 eur Jul 16 04:42:12 TommyBres, not bad Jul 16 04:42:18 nah, not compared to $808 Jul 16 04:42:19 KNY: ahh.. u fail ;) Jul 16 04:42:26 http://cgi.ebay.de/Nagelneues-SAMSUNG-GALAXY-I7500_W0QQitemZ320398967535QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDE_Handys_ohne_Vertrag_KM?hash=item4a994442ef&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65:12|66:2|39:1|72:1229|293:1|294:50 Jul 16 04:42:30 sorry for the long link Jul 16 04:42:34 Radix_, yeah, because I'm using a whole one account Jul 16 04:42:50 Radix_, I don't think too many other people will want an @evancharlton.com email :) Jul 16 04:42:56 and if they do? too bad, get your own name Jul 16 04:43:00 KNY: heh.. I have 5 in mine @juga.org Jul 16 04:43:10 @vmlinuz.org - must renew it Jul 16 04:43:14 KNY can i get one? :) Jul 16 04:43:22 TommyBres, too bad, get your own name Jul 16 04:43:24 TommyBres@evancharlton.nohomo.com Jul 16 04:43:36 tommybres@evancharlton.sohomo.com Jul 16 04:43:40 HAHA Jul 16 04:44:39 dude, the galaxy looks S.I.C.K. Jul 16 04:45:18 u8230 > galaxy >>>>>>>> htc * Jul 16 04:45:36 ok why does everyone say LED flash for the galaxy Jul 16 04:45:48 it REALLY looks like a real flash to me Jul 16 04:46:08 LED flash? do you might flash lite? Jul 16 04:46:14 what color is it? Jul 16 04:46:20 yelluh Jul 16 04:46:30 doesn't sound very LED to me Jul 16 04:46:38 here i'll link you zinx, h/o right quick Jul 16 04:46:43 i've seen it used, it'd have to be the brightest LED in history Jul 16 04:46:55 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhBgLQSxfjE Jul 16 04:47:01 skip to 1:03, you tell me what you think Jul 16 04:47:01 there are some pretty bright LEDs, but they all have a bluish/purplish color Jul 16 04:47:05 oh, camera flash :) Jul 16 04:47:25 plus you can overdrive an LED for a very short period of time Jul 16 04:47:31 (as would be the case with a flash) Jul 16 04:47:40 yeah Jul 16 04:47:42 Radix_: haha Jul 16 04:47:48 and leeds yeah sorry for not clarifying, camera flash :P Jul 16 04:48:19 in any case... i haven't played w/ my LED flashlights, but it seems unlikely to me that it could provide enough of a spectrum to make a decent picture Jul 16 04:48:25 zinx: n95s have a nice led flash Jul 16 04:48:29 the led's on the t-mobile rhodium are blinding... the call and end call buttons... Jul 16 04:48:35 i'm trying to find the video i saw where the reviewer actually took the pic... Jul 16 04:48:49 personally, i hate everything about the n95 Jul 16 04:48:54 i've never seen an LED actually *flash* Jul 16 04:48:56 if i need a camera that good, i'll buy a god damn camera Jul 16 04:49:05 jpa-- i'm talking about the samsung i7500 Jul 16 04:49:13 jpa--: haha agreed Jul 16 04:49:16 but we obviously have differing opinions, i don't have enough money to buy a good camera Jul 16 04:49:19 someon else mentioned n95 and i just snapped Jul 16 04:49:22 couldn't read anymore Jul 16 04:49:24 although an n9x nokia are awesomes Jul 16 04:49:26 just saw n95 n95 n95 n95n95 Jul 16 04:49:27 :P Jul 16 04:49:30 hahaha Jul 16 04:49:34 n97 looks awesome Jul 16 04:49:35 my phone is my only mp3 player, portable hdd, camera, etc Jul 16 04:49:39 cams that take pictures that are better than phone pictures are very very cheap Jul 16 04:49:43 the n97 rawks Jul 16 04:49:44 and i strongly dislike symbian OS Jul 16 04:49:45 jpa--: well.. the n95 was great ;) Jul 16 04:49:50 jpa--: me too Jul 16 04:49:51 :-\ Jul 16 04:49:59 symbian seems to have gotten stuck in the early 90s Jul 16 04:50:00 TommyBres: samsung i7500 looks awesome Jul 16 04:50:08 yeah Jul 16 04:50:12 wtf is the other type of flash besides LED Jul 16 04:50:14 total brainfart Jul 16 04:50:19 s60 5th edition is looking better than 3rd edition did Jul 16 04:50:27 if somebody would get a bootloader working android/linux should be usable Jul 16 04:50:41 r3nrut: nokia is goin gto use qt Jul 16 04:50:42 xenon? Jul 16 04:50:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQJC0QzhTrI&feature=PlayList&p=A1C7585C2C61ECD7&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=4 Jul 16 04:50:46 they bought trolltech ;) Jul 16 04:50:50 zinx, you tell me Jul 16 04:50:58 TommyBres: phosphorus Jul 16 04:50:59 so now maemo and symbian are going to start looking all qt-like Jul 16 04:51:04 ;) Jul 16 04:51:06 err wtf Jul 16 04:51:07 which is uppose isn't a bad thing Jul 16 04:51:10 is the samsung i7500 available now? Jul 16 04:51:14 Macer: qt? Jul 16 04:51:27 yah Jul 16 04:51:29 r3nrut really? that doesnt sound right >.< Jul 16 04:51:32 jpa--: in Germany, and possibly other European countries, yes Jul 16 04:51:37 the stuff kde is built on Jul 16 04:51:40 jpa--: there was a guy who came in a couple of days ago that had one yeah Jul 16 04:51:54 see you!! Jul 16 04:51:55 TommyBres: i dunno what all they use for flashes Jul 16 04:51:58 TommyBres: no, not really... they use phosphorus way back in the early days of cameras Jul 16 04:51:59 wait, the N95 has an LED flash? Jul 16 04:52:01 licksjp: bye! Jul 16 04:52:14 TommyBres: i'm pretty sure it does.. not positive Jul 16 04:52:18 hmm Jul 16 04:52:19 Leeds, see you!! Jul 16 04:52:21 i never really thought about it Jul 16 04:52:22 heh Jul 16 04:52:28 but it looked very led flash like Jul 16 04:52:31 TommyBres: phosphorus = flash grenades Jul 16 04:52:33 that was my friend licksjp, that was :) Jul 16 04:52:49 yeah r3nrut Jul 16 04:52:56 but i thought there was another name for flash Jul 16 04:53:04 hrm i love the design of the samsung i7500 Jul 16 04:53:04 no stupid chin Jul 16 04:53:06 XENON flash Jul 16 04:53:10 and what's AMOLED capacitive? Jul 16 04:53:11 there we go, that's the word i was looking for Jul 16 04:53:14 i really liked the n95 though. but i used the cam a lot to take pics and it made great vids for a phone Jul 16 04:53:15 sorry, i have shitty attempts at humor tonight Jul 16 04:53:20 hahah Jul 16 04:53:28 too bad it can't use tmob 3G :) Jul 16 04:53:34 jpa--: AMOLED is the display type Jul 16 04:53:35 attempts at humor that're less superficial than knock knock jokes won't get to me right now Jul 16 04:53:36 i think an e71 is the only thing so far Jul 16 04:53:38 jpa-- that's a display Jul 16 04:53:39 kinda a little baked Jul 16 04:53:40 ah Jul 16 04:53:45 jpa--: some fancy "AM" OLED Jul 16 04:53:47 :X Jul 16 04:53:56 jpa--: no doubt patented 100 different ways Jul 16 04:53:58 ahh i see Jul 16 04:53:58 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active-Matrix_OLED Jul 16 04:54:20 zinx: haha Jul 16 04:54:28 only 100? Jul 16 04:54:54 i think apple already patented snapping our fingers along with all other fingerly gestures Jul 16 04:54:56 they probably have it patented down to the atom Jul 16 04:54:59 so stop typing boys, you're violating patents Jul 16 04:55:28 apple has a patent on the jerking off motion too Jul 16 04:55:35 oh i'm screwed Jul 16 04:55:40 ditto Jul 16 04:55:44 lol Jul 16 04:55:52 just put me in jail now, i'll never be able to pay off that debt Jul 16 04:56:11 haha jail, that'd be like, encouraging more patent infringement Jul 16 04:56:12 lol Jul 16 04:56:45 how long does it take once i sign up for a domain in google apps before it becomes active ? Jul 16 04:56:59 its okay to drop the soap, just don't drop the iphone... Jul 16 04:57:05 lol Jul 16 04:57:15 saw a video on youtube, guy dropped his brand new 3GS in a pool Jul 16 04:57:17 and it survived Jul 16 04:57:30 quit Jul 16 04:57:32 yeah i saw that too... he was recording video Jul 16 04:57:52 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qbWjaW25mQ Jul 16 04:58:22 OMGZ IT'S FAKE Jul 16 04:58:28 devslash: are you buying the domain from them? Jul 16 04:58:29 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWrsepGYwVI Jul 16 04:58:37 the iphone video was fake! it wasnt an iphone! Jul 16 04:58:47 what was it? Jul 16 04:58:48 ownedddd Jul 16 04:58:53 a waterproof camcorder.... Jul 16 04:58:53 i was hoping the iphone would have some self aware shit going on the screen like when the terminator melted itself in terminator 2... then the screen goes blank Jul 16 04:58:59 lulz Jul 16 04:59:10 ghey Jul 16 04:59:11 idiot just wanted e-fame Jul 16 04:59:19 and i'm sure apple paid him to do it lol Jul 16 04:59:31 don't be silly Jul 16 04:59:33 that was a gift Jul 16 04:59:42 leeds yes i did Jul 16 04:59:51 oh plz, like 3 days after the new theft prevention thing game out there was a big story about how this guy tracked down the thief of his iphone Jul 16 04:59:56 came* Jul 16 05:00:17 so basically an iphone fanboy wanted fame and wanted to give mad props to apple so they staged it Jul 16 05:00:24 devslash: shouldn't really take any time then... domain registration takes seconds, and since the GOOG are hosting all the infrastructure, they don't have to wait for anything to sync up Jul 16 05:00:28 what ever happened to tracing IMEI's? Jul 16 05:00:36 not legal in the US Jul 16 05:00:36 leeds then something is wrong Jul 16 05:00:39 r3nrut: US carriers refuse to do that Jul 16 05:00:53 if it is, carriers don't use it, i asked AT&T and they said all they could do is prevent an unlock request from being filled Jul 16 05:00:57 r3nrut: tracking for what purpose? Jul 16 05:01:01 devslash: how so? Jul 16 05:01:01 theft... Jul 16 05:01:10 Leeds: theft recovery Jul 16 05:01:11 they don't do IMEI blacklisting? Jul 16 05:01:14 leeds i finished registering and it said i can go to mail.mysite.com to log in but when i go to the site it doesnt connect Jul 16 05:01:36 devslash: can you go to mail.google.com/a/mysite.com - or whatever the 'internal' address is? Jul 16 05:01:44 Leeds: they only block a phone if you haven't paid a bill Jul 16 05:01:53 haha yeah Jul 16 05:01:57 and even then, only a SIM i think right? Jul 16 05:01:58 Leeds: and if that's the case, they won't help even in life-threatening situations :P Jul 16 05:02:05 leeds yes Jul 16 05:02:07 zinx that's not true Jul 16 05:02:16 they can track you down for the police, or if you're in need of emergency services Jul 16 05:02:36 TommyBres: one of the phone companies has refused at least once, due to unpaid bill Jul 16 05:02:51 ahhh in the case of an unpaid bill Jul 16 05:02:55 wanna take bets on verizon? Jul 16 05:03:05 not really, it's bad no matter who it was :) Jul 16 05:03:08 leeds but arent i supposed ot be able to go to mail.mysite.com Jul 16 05:03:10 lolz, verizon is the suck Jul 16 05:03:13 true but i'd put money on vzw Jul 16 05:03:20 thats what google app says in the log in Jul 16 05:03:24 zinx: they're a shower of bastards Jul 16 05:03:31 devslash: what is your side? Jul 16 05:03:32 zinx: Jul 16 05:03:34 http://www.gearlog.com/2009/05/verizon_refuses_to_help_cops_o.php Jul 16 05:03:36 site Jul 16 05:03:42 haha Jul 16 05:03:49 er... what is your site? Jul 16 05:03:51 i didnt call that out or anything, did i? i'd never heard this happened Jul 16 05:03:54 oh, i know all about verizon's "hit this button to answer your phone, hit any other button to get charged for services you didn't want anyway." Jul 16 05:04:04 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/05/25/verizon-operator-refuses-to-connect-sheriff-to-suicide-victim-till-phone-bill-paid/ Jul 16 05:04:05 "he didn't pay his bill. i could care less if he is turned over in a car dying by bleeding to death. that way he'll learn i suppose right officer??" Jul 16 05:04:31 like we have time to give these dyin gpeople free tracking when they can't even pay their cell bill Jul 16 05:04:38 :) that's harsh Jul 16 05:04:39 devslash: tell me off-channel if you want... Jul 16 05:04:45 ok Jul 16 05:05:02 TommyBres: it's oik.. it was suicide Jul 16 05:05:24 verizon likes to off its unpaid customers Jul 16 05:05:38 r3nrut: naw.. tbhey just drive them into debt and let them off themselves Jul 16 05:05:43 verizon likes to uh... perform fellatious actions on men Jul 16 05:05:46 if his bill wasn't paid how did he make the phone call? Jul 16 05:05:49 :) Jul 16 05:05:52 Macer: i stand corrected Jul 16 05:05:55 last 1 minute before the cutoff? Jul 16 05:06:08 "I'm going to kill..." Jul 16 05:06:09 Macer: providers have to offer emergency calls, i think Jul 16 05:06:15 where did it say he called?\ Jul 16 05:06:18 Macer: Emergency calls are still enabled Jul 16 05:06:22 zinx: ah.. ok.. that's right Jul 16 05:06:25 yeah they sure do.. forgot abou tthat Jul 16 05:06:30 "But when deputies arrived they were told the man had fled and had taken several bottles of pills." Jul 16 05:06:42 real suicidal people don't call anybody Jul 16 05:06:44 I think all phones should handle emergency calls at all times, regardless of SIM, contract, etc. Jul 16 05:06:44 i think they came to the scene when someone else called Jul 16 05:06:50 and he'd left, that's why they had to find him Jul 16 05:06:51 so i'm sure it was an attention call :) Jul 16 05:06:56 Macer: very true Jul 16 05:06:58 ....are you listening, AT ALL Jul 16 05:07:01 he didn't make a call Jul 16 05:07:03 "But when deputies arrived they were told the man had fled and had taken several bottles of pills." Jul 16 05:07:04 cries for help Jul 16 05:07:20 The sheriff organized the search party for the man after deputies responded to the domestic call Wednesday at 2:21 p.m. at the Kensington Rd. residence. The sheriff said the caller said the man was destroying the house and breaking windows and other items. Jul 16 05:07:28 THE MAN DID NOT CALL wow you guys dont listen lol Jul 16 05:07:34 can't blame him - windows sucks Jul 16 05:07:42 haha Jul 16 05:07:44 2:21PM is a terrible time of day to off yourself Jul 16 05:07:48 TommyBres: naw.. i just haven't read it Jul 16 05:07:54 okay then plz sh Jul 16 05:07:56 haha Jul 16 05:08:01 there's a good time? Jul 16 05:08:09 I'd assume late night Jul 16 05:08:12 lol Jul 16 05:08:14 leeds, bill buckner, 1986? very good time Jul 16 05:08:15 leeds see pm Jul 16 05:08:22 devslash: no Jul 16 05:08:23 r3nrut: rush hour traffic? Jul 16 05:08:35 why not Jul 16 05:08:38 Macer: no that's just annoying Jul 16 05:08:44 i thought you said that youd help me Jul 16 05:08:50 haha Jul 16 05:08:55 because I asked you a simple question, which you refused to answer twice, so good luck Jul 16 05:09:03 i will but not in channel Jul 16 05:09:04 lol. bbl Jul 16 05:09:07 Macer: in fact i had to sit in traffic for 2 hours a couple weeks ago cause some jackass was threatening to hop off a bridge onto the highway Jul 16 05:09:27 r3nrut: that happened here too (chicago) Jul 16 05:09:29 they closed down the entire kennedy Jul 16 05:09:33 traffic was backed up to california haha Jul 16 05:09:52 (the state) Jul 16 05:09:54 :) Jul 16 05:10:00 you all saw the story about the guy in China, right? Jul 16 05:10:02 well, why didnt they let him jump after theyd stopped traffic Jul 16 05:10:02 people were getting out and having picnics Jul 16 05:10:05 worst he can do is break an ankle Jul 16 05:10:07 playing basketball Jul 16 05:10:23 I would whip out my uni and ride around :) Jul 16 05:10:27 lol Jul 16 05:10:32 it lives in the back of my hatchback :) Jul 16 05:10:33 Macer: lol, yeah happened in Dallas. first time i ever had to turn around on a freeway and drive toward on coming (but redirected) traffic Jul 16 05:10:33 JesusFreke: me too! Jul 16 05:10:34 haha Jul 16 05:10:38 * TommyBres throws a stick in jesusfreke's wheel again Jul 16 05:10:55 not too often you get to play games on a highway Jul 16 05:10:58 was threatening to jump off a bridge, blocking traffic... a guy got tired of waiting, pushed past the police, then pushed the guy over the bridge Jul 16 05:11:09 oh yeah i heard that leeds Jul 16 05:11:12 HAHA Jul 16 05:11:15 o well Jul 16 05:11:20 thanks for nothing leeds Jul 16 05:11:26 onto a net which was strung below the bridge because it's such a common suicide spot Jul 16 05:11:32 Leeds: that's awesome Jul 16 05:11:33 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,521379,00.html Jul 16 05:11:34 rofl Jul 16 05:11:39 devslash: you still haven't answered the simple question, so I don't know why you're expecting help Jul 16 05:11:40 LOL Jul 16 05:11:41 nice Jul 16 05:11:46 HAHAHAH lol!!! Jul 16 05:11:46 again Jul 16 05:11:48 hahaha nets Jul 16 05:11:49 not in channel Jul 16 05:11:53 w/e Jul 16 05:11:57 how do you decide to put a "suicide net" somewhere? :) Jul 16 05:11:58 lol! Jul 16 05:12:01 god, what a sad world we live in Jul 16 05:12:06 devslash: I asked you off-channel, and you didn't answer Jul 16 05:12:06 strange Jul 16 05:12:08 bbiab Jul 16 05:12:09 everything is idiotproofed Jul 16 05:12:14 and i asked you Jul 16 05:12:21 how do you check dns Jul 16 05:12:27 Macer: there's a whole documentry about why they monitor the Golden Gate Bridge 24/7 for jumpers Jul 16 05:12:28 devslash-away: drop it Jul 16 05:12:30 give me the link Jul 16 05:12:39 its for a business Jul 16 05:12:56 r3nrut that is so sad Jul 16 05:13:08 TommyBres: Lemmings Jul 16 05:13:10 im guessing you couldnt survive a jump from the golden gate? is it that high up? Jul 16 05:13:27 TommyBres: yes, and water is hard (seriously) Jul 16 05:13:32 every now and again we'll do some bridge jumpings, but the bridge doesn't have that much clearance from the water Jul 16 05:13:37 also, cold water is hard to swim in even if you don't get crushed Jul 16 05:13:40 TommyBres: yes, the impact would either kill or knock you out Jul 16 05:13:44 zinx: you might if you were a really good diver? Jul 16 05:13:44 haha i know water is hard, but if you exhale hard and go feet first you don't get too banged up Jul 16 05:13:54 i guess the bridge is just THAT much higher than these :P Jul 16 05:14:03 Leeds: no. you'd have to break the water somehow, and it's cold even after that :/ Jul 16 05:14:13 well, actually... thinking about giant bridges around here, it makes sense Jul 16 05:14:40 the verrazano narrows bridge is the largest suspension bridge in the country, isnt it? Jul 16 05:14:51 there's also a lot of rocks where they jump... i guess it depends on how serious the jumper is Jul 16 05:14:53 survive impact? (from the golden gate) easy Jul 16 05:15:09 but it tends to break a few bones Jul 16 05:15:21 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Verrazano_bridge_NY.jpg Jul 16 05:15:22 swimming in frickin cold water with broken bones tends to not last long Jul 16 05:15:24 that's pretty damn high Jul 16 05:16:01 http://www.destination360.com/north-america/us/california/images/s/california-golden-gate-bridge.jpg Jul 16 05:16:06 http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=45876 <-- regarding jumpers on the golden gate bridge Jul 16 05:16:08 meh, i could do it Jul 16 05:16:31 TommyBres: good luck Jul 16 05:16:41 lol Jul 16 05:16:47 here's the bridge right near me: Jul 16 05:16:48 TommyBres: is this a cry for help? Jul 16 05:16:48 http://arvernerealestate.net/ArverneRealEstate/ArverneNeighborhood/MarineParkwayBridge.JPG Jul 16 05:16:55 not that high off the water Jul 16 05:17:00 haha no sir Jul 16 05:17:11 http://www.mta.info/mta/news/releases/MPB-lift-raised-vessel.jpg Jul 16 05:17:15 omgz whered the middle go?! Jul 16 05:17:22 r3nrut: the ones crying for help generally think they /can't/ make it :P Jul 16 05:17:49 heh golden gate = 220 feet high Jul 16 05:17:52 zinx: fair enough Jul 16 05:17:58 verrazano = 228 Jul 16 05:18:01 HOLY SHIT seriously Jul 16 05:18:08 yeah the verrazano is massive Jul 16 05:18:14 thats so fucking high Jul 16 05:18:26 what i want to know Jul 16 05:18:35 is why every single disaster movie ever feels the need to show the golden gate bridge Jul 16 05:18:46 you average folk probably would only last in the sf bay about 10-20 minutes even if dropped from a few feet Jul 16 05:18:57 okay, the bridge near me is 55 feet off the water Jul 16 05:19:01 and it's more than a 10-20 minute swim to shore Jul 16 05:19:02 so that makes sense for jumping and not dying Jul 16 05:19:20 not to mention the rather impressive currents Jul 16 05:19:22 spikebike swimming isnt impossible fyi :P Jul 16 05:19:28 sharks are what'd really worry me Jul 16 05:19:32 the water in that picture of the verrazano looks like shit Jul 16 05:19:35 uhm, don't worry about sharks Jul 16 05:19:41 spikebike: but if there was a boat standing by which could pick you up... you might well survive the actual fall Jul 16 05:19:46 they're the least of your concerns.. usually stay away from human swimmers Jul 16 05:19:58 zinx why would sharks be the least of my concerns in the SF bay Jul 16 05:20:01 you think there are no sharks there? Jul 16 05:20:14 leeds, yup, some actually survive that way Jul 16 05:20:18 did i say anything remotely like that? o_O Jul 16 05:20:19 zinx: I think if you were bleeding and thrashing around with broken bones, they might come for a look Jul 16 05:20:23 with 2 broken legs Jul 16 05:20:32 lol Jul 16 05:20:43 well the window is pretty small, they are more likely to munch on ya after you are dead Jul 16 05:20:48 i'm a pretty good swimmer, i grew up on the ocean so everyone around here is Jul 16 05:20:50 TommyBres: http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/air-jaws-sharks-of-south-africa-shark-feeding-frenzy.html Jul 16 05:20:57 ew, nothx Jul 16 05:20:58 however just a few miles from there is the great white capitol of the world Jul 16 05:21:03 look up the story of the uss indianapolis Jul 16 05:21:05 that'll make you hate sharks Jul 16 05:21:16 damn this atom aspire 1 is so horrible with the battery life :) Jul 16 05:21:18 Leeds: if you were bleeding, yeah Jul 16 05:21:23 sure hope my vaporbook comes out soon Jul 16 05:21:26 i mean.. touch book Jul 16 05:21:27 right, booked in for dolphin-watching next Tuesday :) Jul 16 05:21:34 but sharks seriously tend to stay away from humans Jul 16 05:21:41 lol ok Jul 16 05:21:45 zinx: and do you think if you'd just fallen/jumped from the bridge that you might be bleeding? Jul 16 05:21:48 as wikipedia says: The average number of fatalities worldwide per year between 2001 and 2006 from unprovoked shark attacks is 4.3. Jul 16 05:21:49 Leeds: i saw a huge pod of dolphins in the pacific on the way to maldives Jul 16 05:21:53 well, i know i could swim for 20 minutes and i know i'm a strong swimmer and i can deal with currents Jul 16 05:21:53 zinx heh yeah we just figured out how much that is true pretty recently Jul 16 05:21:57 i mean thousands Jul 16 05:22:03 zinx, how many people jump into the middle of SF bay Jul 16 05:22:04 many popular beaches have an impressive number of sharks Jul 16 05:22:05 ;) Jul 16 05:22:06 i thought they were endangered :) Jul 16 05:22:09 yet very very few get bitten Jul 16 05:22:10 Macer: nice :) I've been watching in HK, pink dolphins, and once in Gib a long time ago Jul 16 05:22:29 then again I was staying at point reyes and someone got bitten ;-) Jul 16 05:22:29 i mean the pod went as far as you can see into the sea Jul 16 05:22:34 Leeds: only if one of your bones poked through your skin Jul 16 05:22:36 pink dolphins are very endangered... I don't think pacific ocean ones are Jul 16 05:22:43 Leeds: most likely you're only bleeding internally Jul 16 05:22:47 Leeds: i'm sure they aren't considering how many is aw haha Jul 16 05:22:48 i'm not saying it's likely i'd get eaten by sharks, i'm saying (assuming it's in the middle of august with 60* water temp) that i could swim out with no shark interference Jul 16 05:22:52 zinx: this is starting to get to the point where we need some experimental evidence Jul 16 05:22:55 aw/saw Jul 16 05:23:08 Leeds: email the mythbusters Jul 16 05:23:10 leeds i volunteer Jul 16 05:23:19 get me a ticket and a house in SF, and if i swim out of the bay, i get the house :) Jul 16 05:23:27 zinx: if we all banded together - oh, that's convenient - we could probably buy TommyBres a one-way ticket to SF Jul 16 05:23:35 Leeds: :P Jul 16 05:23:35 hahaha Jul 16 05:23:55 TommyBres: I might be willing to go as far as... a horse? Jul 16 05:24:08 maybe a pony Jul 16 05:24:14 i dont like horses Jul 16 05:24:14 mmm... pony Jul 16 05:24:19 ponies are for girls Jul 16 05:24:20 Leeds: Speaking of weird HK stories, my father-in-law cut up all the weapons that the British had and took them out in the middle of the ocean and dumped them overboard. Jul 16 05:24:27 TommyBres: and? :D Jul 16 05:24:33 * JesusFreke takes cover Jul 16 05:24:34 TommyBres: not even well-grilled? Jul 16 05:24:36 swimming a mile in sub 60F water is tough... even if you are smart enough to take your clothes off Jul 16 05:24:40 grilled? Jul 16 05:24:49 kRutOn: er, when? Jul 16 05:24:56 TommyBres: I *am* going to Paris on Sunday Jul 16 05:25:01 Leeds: Including the sword that the Japanese commander had in occupied Hong Kong that had been used to kill a lot of people. Jul 16 05:25:03 spikebike 60ish is comfortable enough Jul 16 05:25:18 Leeds: Just before the handover in 1997 Jul 16 05:25:20 preferably in the 65-70 range, but it's san francisco after all, not bermuda ;) Jul 16 05:25:26 huh, weird Jul 16 05:25:29 Leeds: He was the sargeant of the armoury. Jul 16 05:25:37 leeds, you swimming to paris? :) Jul 16 05:25:37 today is 57.9F Jul 16 05:25:46 granted it's not august yet Jul 16 05:25:47 water temp? yeah, that's cold Jul 16 05:25:52 yeah water temp Jul 16 05:25:56 right, by august it should be 60-65 range Jul 16 05:26:05 TommyBres: no, but they eat horses there Jul 16 05:26:08 60 in august? in NYC? Jul 16 05:26:10 just north of there is 55.9F Jul 16 05:26:10 * TommyBres starts working out and preparing Jul 16 05:26:18 KNY, water temp in SF Bay Jul 16 05:26:18 oh haha Jul 16 05:26:20 (a few miles) Jul 16 05:26:28 hm Jul 16 05:26:29 get with the program, we're talking about me swimming from under the golden gate bridge Jul 16 05:26:37 man this vpn over the tether is working like a damn dream Jul 16 05:26:46 finally Jul 16 05:26:46 TommyBres: With just your swimming trunks? Jul 16 05:26:48 a dream on the dream? sweet Jul 16 05:26:52 Macer, it *is* a dream. what did you expect? :) Jul 16 05:26:55 i'm loving it :) ... sure hope this touch book comes with some sort of vpn client Jul 16 05:26:57 kruton, should i bring a lunchbox? Jul 16 05:27:05 JesusFreke: hah! pun intended Jul 16 05:27:07 oh, and of course not only is it a mile or so, but the currents are perpendicular to your shorted path Jul 16 05:27:15 TommyBres: yeah, for when you make it to shore. you'd need a picnic Jul 16 05:27:23 lol i'd rather leave it on shore Jul 16 05:27:26 not to mention it's frequently has fairly large waves Jul 16 05:27:29 JesusFreke: as long as your 1.51 build and the tethering works. that's all i need on a phone Jul 16 05:27:32 heh Jul 16 05:27:33 and yeah in just my trunks, i have a wetsuit but that'd be cheating Jul 16 05:27:38 just keep making them stable ;) Jul 16 05:27:54 wetsuits are for the effin win when you wanna surf in mid april Jul 16 05:28:03 my jf1.5 has been crap lately Jul 16 05:28:11 and I don't feel like upgrading to 1.51 Jul 16 05:28:15 then update to 1.51 :-P Jul 16 05:28:15 .... Jul 16 05:28:18 heh Jul 16 05:28:23 KNY it takes 10 seconds Jul 16 05:28:27 all you have to do is run the updater haha Jul 16 05:28:31 TommyBres, ? Jul 16 05:28:33 http://www.lcsd.gov.hk/beach/en/atten-safety.php "Safety Advice on How to Avoid Shark Attack" Jul 16 05:28:36 wow people have gotten lazy :) Jul 16 05:28:38 updating to 1.51? Jul 16 05:28:48 I didn't know it worked with the updater Jul 16 05:28:50 haha Jul 16 05:28:53 <-- dumbass Jul 16 05:29:00 flashing jachero 2.7 regular, i'll report back Jul 16 05:29:09 my life be like oohhhhhhhhh ahhhhhh Jul 16 05:29:11 If schooling fish start to behave erratically or start to congregate in unusually large numbers, leave the water. Jul 16 05:29:14 KNY: JF Updater ftw Jul 16 05:29:16 if that happens, and i'm in the middle of SF bay Jul 16 05:29:23 until JF pisses some updater dev off Jul 16 05:29:32 and he puts fake roms on there to brick phones Jul 16 05:29:33 i think i'll just start peeing Jul 16 05:29:35 my battery was 120.3 degrees today Jul 16 05:29:37 :) Jul 16 05:29:40 maybe sharks react the same way to piss-warm water as humans do Jul 16 05:29:47 ...swim away going "ew, gross" Jul 16 05:29:51 rtk_cool, lol mine too when i was tethering Jul 16 05:30:00 haha, i was listening to music on the beach Jul 16 05:30:03 i was like sheeeeeeet Jul 16 05:30:06 haha Jul 16 05:30:19 is that really the battery or the wifi ? Jul 16 05:30:30 oh ahh ohh yum yum ditty Jul 16 05:30:32 seems like battery Jul 16 05:30:36 battery Jul 16 05:30:46 http://tinyurl.com/n4rzmb want to go to the beach now Jul 16 05:30:48 what is the clicker.apk Jul 16 05:31:15 anyone know how tmobile would give u a replacment g1? Jul 16 05:31:20 incidentally, is cyrket deal for everyone? Jul 16 05:31:21 they'd ship it to you Jul 16 05:31:22 via USPS Jul 16 05:31:23 like if my phone force closes Jul 16 05:31:30 no like for what reason Jul 16 05:31:35 Leeds, repulse bay? who the fuck named that? Jul 16 05:31:46 Leeds, cyrket works here Jul 16 05:31:49 if it's determined to be a faulty device Jul 16 05:31:52 Leeds: Take a trip out to Stanley Jul 16 05:31:53 they shit it to you and give u a box to ship urs back in Jul 16 05:31:59 KNY: I suspect 'repulse' as in 'repulse an attack' rather than 'repulsive' Jul 16 05:31:59 u keep ur battery sd card and back panel Jul 16 05:32:01 how would it be considered faulty? Jul 16 05:32:02 wait i already talked to you about this on aim Jul 16 05:32:03 battery door* Jul 16 05:32:10 kRutOn: nah, the beaches at Stanley aren't particularly nice Jul 16 05:32:12 kthx Jul 16 05:32:21 still dying to get a hold of this touch book Jul 16 05:32:28 blah.. Jul 16 05:32:36 need to charge this damn aspireone again Jul 16 05:32:49 how would they know mine is faulty or not? Jul 16 05:32:50 hmm... take netbook to beach... tether to phone... work at beach... PROFIT! Jul 16 05:33:01 WIN Jul 16 05:33:17 dippkpmann they'd roll dice, flip a coin, maybe even play spin the bottle Jul 16 05:33:20 I suppose I shouldn't download this update over EDGE, huh Jul 16 05:33:21 although it's possible there's free government wifi at the beach :) Jul 16 05:33:43 Leeds: My favorite story about beaches in Hong Kong is this guy that told his girlfriend to meet him at ching seui waan and she went to chin seui waan Jul 16 05:34:03 tommybres, lol alright...so if i tell them my phone is force closing alot and being unresponsive and do a factory reset with them, and still doesent solve the prob? Jul 16 05:34:12 my life be like ohhh ahhhhhh Jul 16 05:34:17 word up Jul 16 05:34:20 they'll do the 3 things i mentioned Jul 16 05:34:21 word life Jul 16 05:34:22 im in new jersey. Jul 16 05:34:24 and if all 3 say yes, you win Jul 16 05:34:25 yo Jul 16 05:34:29 rtk_cool: i'm so sorry Jul 16 05:34:30 how about that new UI? Jul 16 05:34:33 it's nice huh? Jul 16 05:34:33 kRutOn: seen many mixups between Sheung Wan and Tsuen Wan... and for that matter between Wan Chai and Chai Wan :) Jul 16 05:34:49 I WONDER WHY Jul 16 05:34:51 Leeds: haha, Wan Chai and Chai Wan.. geez Jul 16 05:34:52 they all sound identical Jul 16 05:35:03 Lieu10ant: what new UI? Jul 16 05:35:13 hah, there *is* free government wifi at Repulse Bay Beach :D Jul 16 05:35:21 http://www.gov.hk/en/theme/wifi/location/address.htm?id=3&pid=13 Jul 16 05:36:02 yay Jul 16 05:36:05 Leeds: government wifi sounds scarey Jul 16 05:36:30 r3nrut: if I'd paid any taxes recently, I'd be happy that they were going towards that Jul 16 05:36:35 the government is safe Jul 16 05:37:03 LOL ya Jul 16 05:37:41 LOL, thanks... now i can sleep better at night knowing the government is safe and using my money to supply free wifi. :p Jul 16 05:37:49 lol Jul 16 05:37:52 neonfreon:! Jul 16 05:37:54 newest game on market: Jul 16 05:37:59 Beat A Hobo Jul 16 05:37:59 you used to be in hackphreak on undernet Jul 16 05:38:04 yeah Jul 16 05:38:09 been fo-eva. Jul 16 05:38:14 sup Jul 16 05:38:23 i dont recognize you Jul 16 05:38:23 oOoOoOOoOO how about Beat An In-Law Jul 16 05:38:23 r3nrut: not your government... unless you're also in HK Jul 16 05:38:26 aww, a sweet reunion <3 Jul 16 05:38:31 <3 Jul 16 05:38:45 Leeds: nope not in HK. Jul 16 05:38:50 you wouldn't ;P i was probably using a different nickname, but I don't remember what it would have been. just thought I'd shout out to you because i do know you. i used to run #2600 on undernet back in the early 2000s. Jul 16 05:39:00 Just bought myself a G1/Dream today Jul 16 05:39:06 Loving it so far :D Jul 16 05:39:11 ah ok, cool Jul 16 05:39:20 Hate the fact rogers took out the on screen keyboard Jul 16 05:39:29 Spyrorocks: you can root it and add the onscreen keyboard Jul 16 05:39:32 I did, works great. Jul 16 05:39:34 thanks for the shout, it's cool to see crazy connections like that Jul 16 05:39:43 Spyrorocks: you what? you're running 1.5 with no OSK? Jul 16 05:39:51 neonfreon: yah, i agree! Jul 16 05:40:01 hmm? Jul 16 05:40:02 Spyrorocks: what happens if you focus a text input box and long-press the menu key - in portrait mode? Jul 16 05:40:12 Just a sec Jul 16 05:40:12 i have the hero rom on my phone Jul 16 05:40:15 its charging Jul 16 05:40:17 its dead Jul 16 05:40:23 Spyrorocks: it will do that a fair bit Jul 16 05:40:23 spyrorocks, taht phone didn't even come out yet Jul 16 05:40:23 lol. Jul 16 05:40:24 the idiot at rogers didnt charge it like he said he would Jul 16 05:40:25 you can do that while charging as well Jul 16 05:40:41 yeah I know Jul 16 05:40:44 but its in the other room Jul 16 05:40:44 :P Jul 16 05:40:44 you said rogers twice, spyrorocks Jul 16 05:40:47 dont be redundant Jul 16 05:40:56 haha Jul 16 05:40:57 zing Jul 16 05:40:59 Spyrorocks: are you testing it or something? Jul 16 05:41:05 Huh? Jul 16 05:41:07 No I bought it Jul 16 05:41:08 nm Jul 16 05:41:28 Spyrorocks, he was saying that "idiot" is the same as "rogers" Jul 16 05:41:36 Oh ok Jul 16 05:41:42 didnt catch that Jul 16 05:41:52 $99 on 3 year term... yuck on the contract.. Jul 16 05:42:04 that understandable; TommyBres has witty, sophisticated humor that is above most mere mortals Jul 16 05:42:13 Spyrorocks, you could have just bought it outright Jul 16 05:42:13 Spyrorocks: hope you saw my line. it's very easy to add the onscreen keyboard. Jul 16 05:42:15 LOL i was about to say above most mere canadians Jul 16 05:42:21 but mortals works too Jul 16 05:42:23 TommyBres, ahaha Jul 16 05:42:27 nkohh: Are there any apps that do it or do I need to root it? Jul 16 05:42:30 Spyrorocks: what's that in USD (or GBP or HKD) Jul 16 05:42:35 Spyrorocks: you need to root it, afaik. Jul 16 05:42:39 Spyrorocks, you should root it anyway :) Jul 16 05:42:41 hey spyro Jul 16 05:42:42 leeds, .9 USD is 1 CAD Jul 16 05:42:45 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TKOF-zBU2I Jul 16 05:42:47 but rooting is easy, and does no permanent change to the phone. so if you need to revert, not a prob. Jul 16 05:42:48 99 Canadian dollars = 89.004762 U.S. dollars Jul 16 05:42:49 or .85 or something Jul 16 05:42:50 watch that, you can have that on ur g1 :) Jul 16 05:43:08 rTk_cool, running Hero on the G1 is moronic Jul 16 05:43:10 rTk_cool: no he can't Jul 16 05:43:18 I have no interest in hero Jul 16 05:43:19 but Jul 16 05:43:23 rTk_cool: he uses a rogers dream, which custom roms have not been developed for. Jul 16 05:43:24 I guess Ill see if I can root it Jul 16 05:43:27 so thanks, but no Jul 16 05:43:27 hero is gonna be sick Jul 16 05:43:28 do I need to flash it? Jul 16 05:43:31 Spyrorocks: nope Jul 16 05:43:32 Spyrorocks: seriously, before getting into rooting... how do you know that it has no OSK? and have you tried long-pressing menu, which is the standard method to bring up a keyboard Jul 16 05:43:34 5mp camera? headphone jack? Jul 16 05:43:35 winnn Jul 16 05:43:42 Leeds: because the rogers dream just doesn't have one. Jul 16 05:43:48 Leeds: Rogers swiped it out. Jul 16 05:43:50 pretty simple. Jul 16 05:43:51 TommyBres: oddly, they don't come with a ROM flash Jul 16 05:43:51 yep Jul 16 05:44:00 nkohh: stupid fuckers then - and I apologise Jul 16 05:44:00 TommyBres, yeah, there are some SICK android phones coming out Jul 16 05:44:01 forsome odd reason no one can understand Jul 16 05:44:11 leeds what do you mean Jul 16 05:44:32 KNY i don't know which one i'm waiting on anymore Jul 16 05:44:40 TommyBres, all of them :) Jul 16 05:44:42 i need one with AT&T 3G though, that's for sure, and not a lancaster that's also for sure Jul 16 05:44:44 TommyBres: taking the OSK out of cupcake before shipping? Jul 16 05:44:48 TommyBres, just think of it like pokemon Jul 16 05:44:48 with android on a load of phones, the big developers will definatly move over and dev for a larger audiance Jul 16 05:44:55 leeds wut, they cant do that :P Jul 16 05:45:05 hero has no keyboard. Jul 16 05:45:08 TommyBres: apparently the stupid fuckers did Jul 16 05:45:13 KNY think of my credit debt like a time bomb Jul 16 05:45:13 They did Jul 16 05:45:15 soon there will be a hero type phone with a keyboard. Jul 16 05:45:17 TommyBres, ahaha Jul 16 05:45:17 I will buy it Jul 16 05:45:23 I will consume it as a consumer. Jul 16 05:45:28 thanks for the heads up, rTk_cool Jul 16 05:45:29 um, the hero MUST have an osk keyboard Jul 16 05:45:32 I was just wondering if you'd buy it Jul 16 05:45:32 it has no hw keyboard Jul 16 05:45:35 I was supprised how sharp the G1 screen is Jul 16 05:45:41 haha Jul 16 05:45:44 Spyrorocks, aye, great pixel density Jul 16 05:45:44 the online videos don't do it justice Jul 16 05:45:47 g1 is sick Jul 16 05:45:52 yeah, HVGA is pretty decent Jul 16 05:45:55 heh Jul 16 05:46:02 spyro did u watch the video Jul 16 05:46:02 just imagine what WVGA is like then Jul 16 05:46:04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TKOF-zBU2I Jul 16 05:46:09 yes Jul 16 05:46:10 it's sharp because the pixels are huge Jul 16 05:46:11 800x480 instead of 480x320 Jul 16 05:46:12 sick right Jul 16 05:46:13 I watched some hero videos Jul 16 05:46:18 clearly large and square Jul 16 05:46:18 siiiickkkk Jul 16 05:46:20 I'm surprised at the screen resolution on the Hero Jul 16 05:46:20 it's on my g1 now Jul 16 05:46:21 imagine android in VGA on a 16inch screen??? Jul 16 05:46:23 before I bought the g1 Jul 16 05:46:29 I miss my n800 with 800x480 on a not muc bigger screen Jul 16 05:46:31 leeds thatd suck Jul 16 05:46:34 this stupid phone Jul 16 05:46:38 the pixel density over 16 inches? awful Jul 16 05:46:42 can the g1 handle hero? Jul 16 05:46:44 but surely bigger screens are always better? Jul 16 05:46:47 It must be a bit slow Jul 16 05:46:48 sometimes I have to restrain myself from throwing it into the wall or smashing it into bits Jul 16 05:46:49 Spyrorocks: not really no Jul 16 05:46:50 ....k Jul 16 05:46:56 i'm gonna assume you're not catering to me with that comment Jul 16 05:47:12 no, I am not providing you with pre-cooked food Jul 16 05:47:57 omnom Jul 16 05:47:58 2. to provide or supply what amuses, is desired, or gives pleasure, comfort, etc. (usually fol. by to or for): to cater to popular demand; to cater to an invalid. Jul 16 05:47:59 mmm, i need a hotdog Jul 16 05:48:02 CATER. Jul 16 05:48:09 you come from england, know english >.< Jul 16 05:48:24 LOL Jul 16 05:48:25 TommyBres, what we speak is hardly english Jul 16 05:48:29 dumb question, I have an app running in the background, how do I kill it Jul 16 05:48:32 we're merkuns, remember? Jul 16 05:48:35 hahaha Jul 16 05:48:41 Spyrorocks: why do you want to kill it? Jul 16 05:48:42 do I need to download a task manager or is there one built in Jul 16 05:48:42 cater is english, i don't care what continent you're on Jul 16 05:48:44 Spyrorocks, settings -> maange applications -> kill it Jul 16 05:48:50 k thanks Jul 16 05:48:52 Spyrorocks, but you really don't need to Jul 16 05:49:04 Spyrorocks, the framework will kill it for you when it needs to be killed Jul 16 05:49:06 Impact on battery life is minimal? Jul 16 05:49:15 is it running, or is it just resident in memory? Jul 16 05:49:19 what is it? Jul 16 05:49:23 Its a battery monitor Jul 16 05:49:29 thats sort of useless Jul 16 05:49:34 Spyrorocks, cupcake has one built-in Jul 16 05:49:37 yep Jul 16 05:49:46 but for some reason i figure id download another one Jul 16 05:49:47 get the Spare Parts app from Market Jul 16 05:50:02 so in Enlgand, do they use doughnut or donut? Jul 16 05:50:13 my god i hope they use doughnut Jul 16 05:50:14 r3nrut: we use muffins Jul 16 05:50:29 the spelling "donut" is a complete insult every time i see it Jul 16 05:50:31 donut, doughnut Jul 16 05:50:37 much like "thru" as in "drive-thru" Jul 16 05:50:40 do not use donut Jul 16 05:50:43 LOL i love how i was just putting donut Jul 16 05:50:52 seriously, I can handle the full spelling of "through" Jul 16 05:50:53 http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/donut Jul 16 05:51:00 donut is a werd Jul 16 05:51:09 so is bling Jul 16 05:51:12 how often does the g1 crash or become unresponsive for you guys ? Jul 16 05:51:12 what's your point? Jul 16 05:51:12 do nut Jul 16 05:51:24 floppyears, every time that it's inconvenient Jul 16 05:51:28 doh is a word too Jul 16 05:51:30 google is a word Jul 16 05:51:40 i think they added ain't as well Jul 16 05:51:49 r3nrut, they added that ages ago, IIRC Jul 16 05:51:52 no, that's a contraction Jul 16 05:51:57 floppyears: approximately every 3 hours, 12 minutes and 54 seconds Jul 16 05:52:00 floppyears: Hasn't happened to me yet Jul 16 05:52:02 not the things while giving birth but a shorter version of 2 words Jul 16 05:52:13 http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/aint Jul 16 05:52:34 lately my g1 has been unresponsive. I feel like I'm having to use task killer all the time Jul 16 05:52:35 NASA is not an acronym! Jul 16 05:52:45 I also get a bunch of force closes or crashes :( Jul 16 05:52:46 amn't used to be a contraction Jul 16 05:52:46 but RADAR is Jul 16 05:52:47 neither is MASA Jul 16 05:52:47 wtf lol Jul 16 05:53:11 hey guys, where is your micro sd card slot on your g12 Jul 16 05:53:12 g1* Jul 16 05:53:19 I think the rogers phone is different Jul 16 05:53:20 hidden Jul 16 05:53:21 same place as yours Jul 16 05:53:23 from the one in the USA Jul 16 05:53:26 floppyears: what build are you running, what software is in the background? Jul 16 05:53:27 to the right of the keyboard Jul 16 05:53:32 Spyrorocks: on the inside of the chin Jul 16 05:53:34 just above the call button Jul 16 05:53:35 it's easy to miss Jul 16 05:53:56 I was watching some videos with the card slot beside the sim Jul 16 05:54:10 but mine is like right next to the keyboard Jul 16 05:54:19 Spyrorocks: for a G1? Jul 16 05:54:23 Spyrorocks, those might have been preproduction models or something Jul 16 05:54:29 * nkohh just can't wait for a better Skype app. I get jealous of the iPhoners that get outbound calling and stuff :-( Jul 16 05:54:29 Oh i see Jul 16 05:54:48 Spyrorocks: be careful with that little flap though, I found mine to be a bit fidgety. it doesn't like to stay in now ;-( Jul 16 05:54:59 nkohh: tried sipdroid? Jul 16 05:55:05 * TommyBres wants true, free voip Jul 16 05:55:07 yeah I just about tore it out with an exacto knife Jul 16 05:55:14 Leeds: yah. I've tried SipDroid, but it kind of owns my battery life. Jul 16 05:55:15 nkohh: don't be jealous of iphone users. they don't realize their lack of freedom. Jul 16 05:55:19 Leeds: jf1.51, weatherbug, twitdroid, maps, imeem, all closed but imeem, I'm assuming the other are bg processes Jul 16 05:55:43 I just tried the jf updater and got the good ol' triangle-with-exclamation-mark Jul 16 05:55:45 Leeds: they say on their site that if you use it with pbxes.com it's better on battery life. but I find that hard to believe, unless they simply adjust the sip registration timer Jul 16 05:55:48 android app store 24 hour refunds is enough to laugh at iphone owners for not having. Jul 16 05:55:50 floppyears: what do you mean by "all closed"? Jul 16 05:55:51 TommyBres, i want a pony Jul 16 05:55:57 nkohh: I think poboxes does callbacks Jul 16 05:56:17 Leeds: I'm not running them, but I get process xyz is not responding :( Jul 16 05:56:23 I guess those are notifications Jul 16 05:56:26 Leeds: ah. Jul 16 05:56:34 they are background wakeups Jul 16 05:56:37 * r3nrut offers KNY some elmers glue Jul 16 05:56:47 anyone know whats going on for the next update of android? Jul 16 05:56:59 floppyears: best thing I can offer is to check your log when it gets silly and look for anything unusual Jul 16 05:57:05 Spyrorocks: do you mean, "when will we see it" or "what features will be in it" ? Jul 16 05:57:09 features Jul 16 05:57:10 Spyrorocks: sure, san knows, romain knows, jbq knows... Jul 16 05:57:11 or fixes Jul 16 05:57:16 ahh Jul 16 05:57:16 Leeds: where are the logs ? Jul 16 05:57:24 or is it a separate app ? Jul 16 05:57:31 floppyears: easiest way is plug into your PC and use adb, ddms, eclipse, etc. Jul 16 05:57:40 ah, ok Jul 16 05:57:41 thx Jul 16 05:57:59 is there a way to cache google maps on the device if I was going out of cell range and wanted to use the gps? Jul 16 05:58:02 omg i hate these fire ants!!!! Jul 16 05:58:03 no Jul 16 05:58:08 no, unfortunately not Jul 16 05:58:13 thats what I want Jul 16 05:58:18 i'm going to bed. g'night all. Jul 16 05:58:19 Spyrorocks: if you plan a route and leave it open, you're good. Jul 16 05:58:21 r3nrut: night! Jul 16 05:58:30 I guess it's a streaming vs. downloading license thing Jul 16 05:58:31 thats the only thing I want so far Jul 16 05:58:34 hmmm Jul 16 05:58:35 the new google map update seems much better that way Jul 16 05:58:36 I see Jul 16 05:58:43 andnav allows for on device caching I believe Jul 16 05:59:04 I love maemo mapper on the n800 for just that reason Jul 16 05:59:19 is there an IRC app that will vibrate the phone when you get a private message or someone nickalerts you? Jul 16 05:59:26 thats soemthign else on my list. Jul 16 05:59:43 im using that app right now with the kitty icon Jul 16 05:59:47 I forget what its called. Jul 16 06:00:16 its an irc client Jul 16 06:00:22 darairc Jul 16 06:00:40 sorry. didn't read scrollback Jul 16 06:01:17 new jac hero is bangingggggggg Jul 16 06:01:39 anyone who is scared to try a hero rom, get a fat32, ext2, and a linux-swap partition. Jul 16 06:01:42 rTk_cool, I get the impression that you're the only one in here that cares about 1337 hero roms Jul 16 06:01:50 format everything and it's serious Jul 16 06:01:58 thats not nice Jul 16 06:02:04 I like the interface the way it is now Jul 16 06:02:17 ophone notification bar Jul 16 06:02:17 Its clean Jul 16 06:02:26 Just need some better wallpaper Jul 16 06:02:37 also, +1 for teathering Jul 16 06:03:44 rT: you can boot from sd card? Jul 16 06:04:17 rTk_cool: Jul 16 06:04:41 whats that mean Jul 16 06:04:48 i wish they didnt fix the boot.mp3 thing in 1.5 Jul 16 06:04:50 rTk_cool: uh.. dunno what you're talking about Jul 16 06:04:55 i blame romainguy_ >.< Jul 16 06:05:00 im running Fatal1tys Hero rom right now Jul 16 06:05:01 and it's fine Jul 16 06:05:03 no problems at all Jul 16 06:05:04 simply because he's the one who told me about it lol Jul 16 06:05:06 jpa Jul 16 06:05:07 JACHERO Jul 16 06:05:08 TommyBres, what boot.mp3? Jul 16 06:05:08 2.7 Jul 16 06:05:11 something serious Jul 16 06:05:18 haha jpa guess my boot.mp3 Jul 16 06:05:21 maybe a bit slow at times but if you tweak the settings and stuff, its fine Jul 16 06:05:21 KNY before 1.5 you could put "boot.mp3" on your sdcard and it'd play on boot Jul 16 06:05:33 but they took it out? weak Jul 16 06:05:36 so i wanted to put the Windows 95 startup sound in Jul 16 06:05:40 no Jul 16 06:05:40 haha Jul 16 06:05:42 it's still there Jul 16 06:05:45 but by the time i was told about it, i was on 1.5, and apparently it's gone Jul 16 06:05:48 u just have to add it and resign it Jul 16 06:05:54 .... Jul 16 06:05:58 so it's not still there lol Jul 16 06:06:05 well on the hero rom's it is Jul 16 06:06:08 .... Jul 16 06:06:10 TommyBres, or the OSX startup sound and confuse some hipsters Jul 16 06:06:11 haha Jul 16 06:06:15 * TommyBres checks back to see where he said hero Jul 16 06:06:19 HAHA Jul 16 06:06:29 prolly a couple pages back Jul 16 06:06:32 TommyBres: add it to init.rc Jul 16 06:06:38 wow you got him good, rTk_cool Jul 16 06:06:43 I DONT KNOW THIS LINUX SPEAK Jul 16 06:06:46 PWNT, TommyBres Jul 16 06:06:46 the source is available Jul 16 06:07:05 its not worth much effort to be honest, wouldve just been nice to put boot.mp3 on there and have it work Jul 16 06:07:12 yeah Jul 16 06:07:20 a novelty at best Jul 16 06:07:26 i can afford a class 6 8gig Jul 16 06:07:30 still, I wonder why they took it out Jul 16 06:07:33 and im not scared to update a spl Jul 16 06:07:33 congrats, rTk_cool Jul 16 06:07:39 .... Jul 16 06:07:40 so i get bootmp3 Jul 16 06:07:45 * TommyBres put a class 6 16gb on his credit card Jul 16 06:07:45 /win 1 Jul 16 06:07:47 oops Jul 16 06:07:59 and you're scared to get hero Jul 16 06:08:03 yep Jul 16 06:08:03 * rTk_cool laughs Jul 16 06:08:06 terrified Jul 16 06:08:08 so congrats on your enormous budget ($17) for your SD card Jul 16 06:08:09 * rTk_cool pitty's the fool Jul 16 06:08:13 HEY Jul 16 06:08:15 be nice, it was 23 Jul 16 06:08:15 my $50 card could never stack up :\ Jul 16 06:08:22 lol Jul 16 06:08:26 hm Jul 16 06:08:38 haha that just made me laugh Jul 16 06:08:59 i'm thinking of buying a few suicide cards (class 6 2gb) Jul 16 06:09:00 still tethered to the vpn.. it almost seems like the tether itself is working better this way but i think i'm just being skeptical Jul 16 06:09:05 maybe the private local dns? Jul 16 06:09:06 :) Jul 16 06:09:08 and using them to swap memory so i can run the hero rom like a 1337 h4xx0r Jul 16 06:09:17 TommyBres: I should get a 16/6 card Jul 16 06:09:20 TommyBres, why would you get a 2GB card? Jul 16 06:09:28 KNY you dont need more than that for swapping ram Jul 16 06:09:41 TommyBres, but why not get a bigger one and partition it? Jul 16 06:09:42 Leeds my domain started working. it was just a matter of waiting about 30 minutes for the dns to regsiter Jul 16 06:09:52 KNY because the card dies after a while Jul 16 06:09:56 bootmp3 isn't spl Jul 16 06:09:56 swapping MURDERS your sd card Jul 16 06:10:08 he wow.. i STILL love The Office Jul 16 06:10:16 jpa--, US or UK? Jul 16 06:10:20 both! Jul 16 06:10:25 ricky gervais is hilarious Jul 16 06:10:33 yeah i like both Jul 16 06:10:38 i heard the UK version was better, but that was from a brit so keep it in perspective Jul 16 06:10:39 i have to say I like US more though Jul 16 06:10:48 i've never really watched much of either Jul 16 06:11:01 probably only because there's a lot more of it to watch now that it's done 5 seasons Jul 16 06:11:04 Leeds: have yous een a 16/6 card anywhere? Jul 16 06:11:10 i marathon that sh1t whenever i get bored Jul 16 06:11:11 other than newegg ;) Jul 16 06:11:22 lol i was just typing "macer, newegg" Jul 16 06:11:26 the card don't die, the 32mb partition may die after 7 years. Jul 16 06:11:32 Macer: sure, you can get them retail in HK - not too cheap though Jul 16 06:11:38 oh Jul 16 06:11:42 7 years, rtk_cool? wow Jul 16 06:11:45 well. there is a frys close to here Jul 16 06:11:49 it's a good thing you're cool because you're sure as hell not smart Jul 16 06:11:52 maybe i will check there this weekend Jul 16 06:11:52 US$65 maybe Jul 16 06:12:07 i paid $50 on newegg but yeah most go for $60-$75 Jul 16 06:12:37 i miss san diego frys Jul 16 06:13:00 ive never seen fry's Jul 16 06:13:04 with its giant fish tanks :) and like.. it was one of the few places you can pick up candy... chips.. a pop or two.. and a cpu Jul 16 06:13:07 haha Jul 16 06:13:14 some ram... maybe some cereal Jul 16 06:13:19 Leeds my domain started working. it was just a matter of waiting about 30 minutes for the dns to regsiter Jul 16 06:13:45 used to go to Frys in Palo Alto Jul 16 06:13:53 lol you copied and pasted even with the typo devslash? :P Jul 16 06:13:56 tommy, why do u know all Jul 16 06:14:02 that takes bawls Jul 16 06:14:05 ok it might last 2 years Jul 16 06:14:07 there is one in the south suburbs of chiago Jul 16 06:14:15 TommyBres: ever heard of up arrow in most irc clients ? Jul 16 06:14:15 rtk_cool because i was taught the most stuff :) Jul 16 06:14:17 and i have never been there.. have to go there this weekend at the very least to pick up a 16G sd Jul 16 06:14:19 i think it's tested around 1,000,000 cycles or something Jul 16 06:14:30 TommyBres: i didnt copy and paste anything Jul 16 06:14:31 it'll last around 7 years of constant writing Jul 16 06:14:33 devslash i can't find the up arrow in my client Jul 16 06:14:36 i need a 4G non-sdhc Jul 16 06:14:42 then you are a moron Jul 16 06:14:51 too so i guess frys would be the place to go.. but i always wind up overdoing it when i go there :) Jul 16 06:14:53 wheres it located? my only up arrow is floating around on the screen, and theres one, no 2, on the keyboard Jul 16 06:15:11 yep you are Jul 16 06:15:22 i will go in expecting to spend $100 and wind up spending like $2000 Jul 16 06:15:32 fact: there are more down arrows on a keyboard than up arrows Jul 16 06:15:32 lol Jul 16 06:15:37 hmm... tempted to pop to the computer mall now and buy a card Jul 16 06:16:07 Leeds: if you find a passive pcie or pci video card then send it to me Jul 16 06:16:20 now that i think about it.. i should get a pci video card too for my fileserver Jul 16 06:16:49 see how the frys visit starts to add up? by the time i leave i will have an i7 with like 8 video cards and some massive mboard for it all Jul 16 06:16:57 lol Jul 16 06:17:05 thats why i stay out of stores Jul 16 06:17:14 heh, I'm waiting for i5 to be around later this year before planning a system-wide update Jul 16 06:17:19 really can't justify i7 Jul 16 06:17:33 leed heh, yeah same here, trying to decide Jul 16 06:17:44 i5? :) Jul 16 06:17:48 seriously? Jul 16 06:17:50 I built my dad a cheap quad core phenom II system that's pretty nice Jul 16 06:17:53 isn't that what they have now? haha Jul 16 06:17:54 apple is now numbering their products Jul 16 06:18:03 spikebike: yeah.. phenoms aren't bad at all Jul 16 06:18:05 and cheap too Jul 16 06:18:09 Macer: seriously - they are planning three lines, i3, i5, i7 for low, medium, high end Jul 16 06:18:13 well.. the NON X3 defects are nice :) Jul 16 06:18:26 Leeds: woah Jul 16 06:18:40 you didn't know? Jul 16 06:18:43 soon they will have the ieXtreme Jul 16 06:18:49 no.. haven't really kept up on cpu news Jul 16 06:18:56 bah :P Jul 16 06:18:58 i was focusing more on portable things lately Jul 16 06:19:05 anyway, I think I'm going SD shopping in wanchai... back a bit later Jul 16 06:19:08 i5 is supposedly coming out around Sept 10-18th Jul 16 06:19:11 like my vaporbook Jul 16 06:19:15 lata leeds Jul 16 06:19:20 basically an i7 with one less memory channel and on board pci-e Jul 16 06:19:22 that has been preordered for almost a week and will probably never ship :) Jul 16 06:19:31 I'm out too, I gotta go stalk leeds Jul 16 06:19:32 on a smaller socket Jul 16 06:19:34 later, al Jul 16 06:19:36 all* Jul 16 06:19:43 spikebike: so it should come out around the same time as teh touch book pre-orders? Jul 16 06:19:47 heh Jul 16 06:19:51 lol kny wtf Jul 16 06:19:59 (long story, TommyBres) Jul 16 06:20:04 alllllrighty then Jul 16 06:20:06 ttyl amigo Jul 16 06:20:34 im still using a p3 700mhz Jul 16 06:20:39 hmm, its weird how many things in your body can pop Jul 16 06:20:47 i just twisted and something in my chest popped Jul 16 06:20:47 nkohh: i still have my DUAL P3/500 ;) Jul 16 06:20:48 bahaha Jul 16 06:20:50 DUAL! Jul 16 06:20:53 my phone is faster than my computer =( Jul 16 06:20:53 heh Jul 16 06:20:55 Macer: nice! Jul 16 06:21:01 nkohh thats not true Jul 16 06:21:05 the phone is only 528mhz :) Jul 16 06:21:06 supermicro has a MADE IN USA sticker on their motherboards Jul 16 06:21:13 TommyBres: more RAM ! :P Jul 16 06:21:15 i have a 500mhz laptop.... Jul 16 06:21:16 which is odd because every single chip on it says "made in taiwan" Jul 16 06:21:23 with 160 ram i think, upgraded of course Jul 16 06:21:25 :) Jul 16 06:21:27 macer they meant the sticker is made in the usa Jul 16 06:21:32 haha Jul 16 06:21:35 spikebike: that's what i figured too Jul 16 06:21:40 i'd even doubt that much Jul 16 06:21:40 actually Jul 16 06:21:45 i doubt the sticker was Jul 16 06:21:49 * TommyBres wins Jul 16 06:22:07 maybe they considered the sticking of the sticker by a $50 american union worker as being "made by" Jul 16 06:22:15 $50/hour Jul 16 06:22:17 heh Jul 16 06:22:23 core i7-920 2.66 + motherboard is faster than the amd quad 2.66 + ddr3 + motherboard Jul 16 06:22:36 but the price difference is enough to buy a fair bit more disk/ram/gpu Jul 16 06:22:43 and the CPU is by no means slow Jul 16 06:22:51 spikebike: but it's amd garbage Jul 16 06:22:53 !! Jul 16 06:23:05 just kidding ;) i agree with you 100% Jul 16 06:23:13 right now i'd take the amd route Jul 16 06:23:28 the i7 also runs pretty hot, even the 2.66 (the slowest of 4 chips) is 130 watts Jul 16 06:23:51 the similarly performing i5 will be under 95 watts Jul 16 06:23:53 can I get the htc hero weather widget on my g1? Jul 16 06:24:03 just the widget with the flip numbers/weather Jul 16 06:24:28 ouch Jul 16 06:24:30 that's quite a bit of power Jul 16 06:24:32 but that is expected from x86 Jul 16 06:24:39 even teh "mobile" x86 Jul 16 06:24:40 heh Jul 16 06:24:41 bbl Jul 16 06:25:03 I built my dad a desktop, 4GB ram, 1TB disk, dvdr, etc. Idle was around 55 watts, max cpu was 95 watts or so, and max cpu + max gpu was 110-115 watts Jul 16 06:25:11 (for the system not the chip) Jul 16 06:25:24 so the AMD quad runs reasonably cool in comparison Jul 16 06:28:26 anyone know how to get this clock widget onto the G1 http://www.blogdemoviles.com.ar/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/htc-hero-big-1.jpg Jul 16 06:28:40 not possible Jul 16 06:28:47 not easy anyway Jul 16 06:28:54 did anyone make a clone of it? Jul 16 06:29:20 not that i know of Jul 16 06:29:24 maybe though Jul 16 06:29:25 all the clocks are ugly Jul 16 06:29:29 that i can find Jul 16 06:29:36 i just use the one in the top right Jul 16 06:29:40 who here is like super-master supreme dev guy who knows everything about android? Jul 16 06:29:54 i have a seemingly simple question that i'm still unclear on (probably because i smoke a lot of pot) Jul 16 06:29:57 but yeh Jul 16 06:30:36 http://radixgadgets.blogspot.com/2009/07/hero-on-htc-magic-three-weeks-in-and.html Jul 16 06:30:49 on an htc magic on Rogers - rooted, and updated SPL 1.33.2005 - what exactly is it i need to make sure if to make sure a given rom will be compatible with my setup? Jul 16 06:31:48 As far as I'm aware.. you need the wlan.ko file from your current rom and a boot.img that works Jul 16 06:31:59 jpa--, it's the kernel. Jul 16 06:32:12 Rogers has a 32A board with 288MB of RAM. Jul 16 06:32:24 Roms made for 32B boards don Jul 16 06:32:26 ffs. Jul 16 06:32:32 Roms made for 32B boards don't like 32A boards... Jul 16 06:32:39 and vice versa Jul 16 06:32:44 Yeah. Jul 16 06:32:56 hehe, my first flash was 32B firmware for a 32A board :P Jul 16 06:32:59 but the main difference is the boot.img file included (the boot.img is the kernel essentially) Jul 16 06:33:11 But it's no big deal, just flash it again.. luckily! Jul 16 06:33:17 Radix_, mostly... Jul 16 06:33:21 and the kernel modules are often different.. ie. wlan.ko Jul 16 06:33:24 Ya. Jul 16 06:34:05 k whoa wtf Jul 16 06:34:07 this is why im cloudy Jul 16 06:34:13 you guys confuse the hell outta me lol Jul 16 06:34:22 two ppl start to answer, then debate.. then draw no conclusion Jul 16 06:34:22 evening all Jul 16 06:34:23 32A = YOU, GOOD Jul 16 06:34:24 jpa--: then you need to just stick to the basics Jul 16 06:34:26 32B = NOT YOU, BAD Jul 16 06:34:26 Wickednix: hello! Jul 16 06:34:27 done. Jul 16 06:34:44 screen orientation change doesnt work when plugged into usb? Jul 16 06:34:44 Radix_ needs to stop 2nd guessing :P Jul 16 06:35:12 Lets see where my micro sd is in the world Jul 16 06:35:14 lol he knows more than i do, so i'm not gonna tell him what he needs to do Jul 16 06:35:25 jpa--: sorry, you seem to be asking the same question over and over again in different ways Jul 16 06:35:40 radix_ like a mad woman who wants the right answer? Jul 16 06:35:46 yup Jul 16 06:35:51 Radix_: i can't help it.. i've constantly been unclear Jul 16 06:35:53 doesn't want to listen to what we tell her Jul 16 06:35:54 girls, psh, who needs em Jul 16 06:36:13 * TommyBres hands jpa-- a rag and some windex Jul 16 06:38:47 * Wickednix gets his windows ready Jul 16 06:39:00 There was no debate. Jul 16 06:39:33 im busy trying to figure out how to tell which roms are made for 32A boards vs 32B boards Jul 16 06:39:49 You have to look in the thread. Jul 16 06:39:52 clean your own damn windows.. i ain't no bitch Jul 16 06:39:54 im just a burnout Jul 16 06:39:57 But, Rogers are 32A boards. Jul 16 06:39:58 *burn victim Jul 16 06:40:18 I have an unbranded HTC Magic, and I also have a 32A board. Jul 16 06:40:21 I want Tommy to clean my windows Jul 16 06:40:35 jpa-- you were saying you were unclear Jul 16 06:40:38 that was for clearing yourself Jul 16 06:40:53 oh hahahaha Jul 16 06:40:57 funny Jul 16 06:41:04 I hate roms Jul 16 06:41:08 O_o Jul 16 06:41:18 to many to choose from Jul 16 06:41:27 yeah that's kinda my problem Jul 16 06:41:31 im scared.. and don't wanna flash one that won't boot again Jul 16 06:41:43 such a hassle for me to fix my phone right now since i don't have an sd readre Jul 16 06:41:45 *redaar Jul 16 06:41:46 holy shit Jul 16 06:41:47 As long as you can get to fastboot, there's no problem. Jul 16 06:41:49 roms dont brick. SPL do Jul 16 06:42:08 yes there is.. id still have no way to switch the update.zip that's on the sd card Jul 16 06:42:17 unless i can flash a rom onto the phone that's not even on the sdcard somehow Jul 16 06:42:22 some fancy little dos command Jul 16 06:42:28 flash your recovery with one that has nandroid backup and restore. Jul 16 06:42:35 you have no other flash reader? Jul 16 06:42:39 adb push update.zip /sdcard/update.zip ? Jul 16 06:43:16 nope.. last time i flashed a rom that wouldn't boot before I updated my SPL, i had to wait until i got to work the next day to borrow a demo Nokia e71 to use as an sd reader Jul 16 06:43:25 flash your recovery with one that has nandroid backup and restore. Jul 16 06:43:40 i did Jul 16 06:43:53 just make sure then when you backup your phone, you backup the new recovery image along with it. Jul 16 06:43:54 I use my wifes phone as my card reader Jul 16 06:44:07 no idea how to properly backup Jul 16 06:44:15 o_O Jul 16 06:44:17 unless just clicking on "Nandroid Backup" in fastboot does it Jul 16 06:44:33 recovery-RAv1.1.1H.img ? Jul 16 06:46:08 Is GenericToad here? Jul 16 06:46:18 WTF Jul 16 06:46:24 guess not Jul 16 06:46:26 he's right behind DiscreetTurtle Jul 16 06:46:33 baahahhaha Jul 16 06:47:07 Damn it Mitch. Why can't you be on Jul 16 06:47:30 I'm so loving the new Cm rom Jul 16 06:47:33 jpa--, I use that. Jul 16 06:47:38 its uber fast Jul 16 06:47:41 i'm loving the new Cm recovery Jul 16 06:47:44 nandroid restore F.T.W. Jul 16 06:47:48 Just remember, when you perform a backup, nandroid also backs up the recovery. Jul 16 06:47:55 uh wut Jul 16 06:48:10 So if it backs up a normal recovery and you perform a restore, there goes your RAv recovery. Jul 16 06:48:46 k what do you mean by that? Jul 16 06:48:46 if i already flashed the recovery Jul 16 06:48:51 and i do a backup Jul 16 06:48:56 doesn't it backup the flashed recovery too ? Jul 16 06:49:47 "fastboot boot recovery.img" doesn't flash, btw... Jul 16 06:49:54 i know Jul 16 06:50:01 But yes, if you do a backup AFTER you flash the new recovery, you'll be fine. Jul 16 06:50:03 i followed some instructions at some point to flash it Jul 16 06:50:15 jpa Jul 16 06:50:19 so now even if my phone is unplugged.. if i home + power, it boots into recovery-RAv1.1.1H.img Jul 16 06:50:19 u never guessed my boot.mp3 Jul 16 06:50:31 rTk_cool: i have no f-ing clue wtf you mean is why Jul 16 06:50:49 haha Jul 16 06:50:55 when i turn my phone on, what song plays Jul 16 06:51:04 ... Jul 16 06:51:08 something gay i bet Jul 16 06:51:12 :P Jul 16 06:51:16 haha go f urself Jul 16 06:51:19 the arab would know Jul 16 06:51:20 sry im just kidding Jul 16 06:51:25 i have no clue Jul 16 06:51:34 Crank Dat - Soulja Boy ? Jul 16 06:51:36 yeah maybe i talked to him about the song haha Jul 16 06:51:39 nah not even close Jul 16 06:51:45 didnt think so Jul 16 06:51:48 ahha Jul 16 06:51:52 my life be like ohhhhhh ahhhhhhhhhhh Jul 16 06:51:56 haha Jul 16 06:51:57 oh god Jul 16 06:52:04 do u use ubuntu anymore Jul 16 06:52:07 im not talking to you anymore Jul 16 06:52:21 im thinking im too lazy to set up adb on ubuntu Jul 16 06:52:26 nah i haven't booted into it in a while Jul 16 06:52:30 i can't get tethering to work in it Jul 16 06:52:38 oh really Jul 16 06:52:41 and i can't do any updates because the only internet i even have - is tethering Jul 16 06:52:47 im sure u could google it and figure it out Jul 16 06:52:53 i should've installed 9.04 instead of 8.04 tho Jul 16 06:52:58 haha i know u and ur roomate Jul 16 06:53:01 and urself Jul 16 06:53:03 roommate Jul 16 06:53:08 i grabbed 8.04 cuz my laptop is super old and likely wouldn't run 9.04 Jul 16 06:53:17 i mean.. this thing slowed down to a crawl and almost overheated when i tried to run compiz before Jul 16 06:53:21 oh i got 9.04 Jul 16 06:53:29 k wait waht? Jul 16 06:53:35 lol Jul 16 06:53:37 haha unbuntu for me is more of a chill os Jul 16 06:53:41 i get like 30K/s over 3G Jul 16 06:53:48 which i'm guessing is because of the encryption Jul 16 06:53:54 orly? Jul 16 06:53:56 i can just chill on it, xp is more of a get shit done os Jul 16 06:53:58 i get decent speeds Jul 16 06:54:02 jpa--: go to dealextreme and buy a cheap micro-sd card reader with free worldwide shipping - problem solvered Jul 16 06:54:04 downloading stuff at like 350kbps Jul 16 06:54:16 yeah u share ur tether with a mac user though Jul 16 06:54:23 ya Jul 16 06:54:26 so? Jul 16 06:54:28 xp is probably the best windows made Jul 16 06:54:31 doesn't affect me Jul 16 06:54:32 he checks facebook Jul 16 06:54:40 :) although i have to admit.. win7 actually isn't that bad Jul 16 06:54:41 oh noes, my bandwidth!!! Jul 16 06:54:53 i wanted to try it but it needs 1gb ram Jul 16 06:54:54 i have 512 Jul 16 06:54:58 i like both Jul 16 06:55:02 at the very least it is much faster than vista Jul 16 06:55:10 i haaaate vista Jul 16 06:55:11 im still on xp because of it Jul 16 06:55:13 and the stolen osx dock taskbar is nice :) Jul 16 06:55:15 haha Jul 16 06:55:16 xp and ubuntu ftw Jul 16 06:55:23 opensolaris ftw ;) Jul 16 06:55:25 straight up Jul 16 06:55:27 heh Jul 16 06:55:40 once you disable a bunch of microsoft services and change a few other settings.. XP is fine Jul 16 06:55:41 just not fancy Jul 16 06:55:50 yeah. xp isn't too bad Jul 16 06:55:52 how is that macer Jul 16 06:55:57 win7 isn't either ;) Jul 16 06:56:17 rTk_cool: well.. there are a lot of reasons but i have used opensolaris for a while and it is pretty good Jul 16 06:56:26 once you get used to it .. i think it's worth the first week of headaches :) Jul 16 06:56:36 there's just a slight learning curve Jul 16 06:56:43 does it mimic OS X any more than vista tried to subtly ? Jul 16 06:56:49 opensolaris? Jul 16 06:56:54 Are Android application only developable (is that a word?) with Java? Jul 16 06:56:55 no.. it uses gnome like ubuntu and debian do Jul 16 06:57:10 chuck: you could probably develop native arm based bins Jul 16 06:57:14 and libs Jul 16 06:57:22 and create a java front end for the ui ? Jul 16 06:57:26 Macer: but in practice it's done with Java, right? Jul 16 06:57:30 chuck: no Jul 16 06:57:33 heh Jul 16 06:57:49 ziyourenxiang: what is it done with? Jul 16 06:58:00 no Jul 16 06:58:16 other possibilities are scheme or hecl, themselves implemented in java Jul 16 06:59:02 ziyourenxiang: so all the bins are made in java also? Jul 16 06:59:03 heh Jul 16 06:59:08 i like ubuntu over open solaris from a couple youtube videos Jul 16 06:59:40 rTk_cool: well. opensolaris takes a minute to get used to.. but once you do you realize that it is much cleaner than most linux distros Jul 16 07:00:03 especially when you set it up as a server and start using its services Jul 16 07:00:13 although there isn't an identd for opensolaris heh Jul 16 07:00:15 no, i'm not talking about native arm/linux binaries... i mean there exist proglangs implemented in java that are now also able to be used to build apk files Jul 16 07:00:16 damnit Jul 16 07:00:27 oooh Jul 16 07:00:37 ziyourenxiang: i see Jul 16 07:00:56 I kind of want to get or at least try an Android phone, but the quality of the applications doesn't look as good as the quality of the App Store applications (as a generalisation) Jul 16 07:01:25 chuck: of all the apps on the market i probably use like 6 at most ;) Jul 16 07:01:41 after that you should just tether it and use a laptop or something haha Jul 16 07:02:12 i thought it was kind of awesome the es filemanager had smb support Jul 16 07:02:35 * chuck has fives pages of apps on his iPhone, each with 16 apps on them :P Jul 16 07:02:45 they're not all quality, but a lot of them are great Jul 16 07:02:56 chuck: heh.. that's a lot Jul 16 07:03:00 do you really use them all? Jul 16 07:03:02 :) Jul 16 07:03:27 really on my g1 i use the stock stuff and have only installed maybe about 10 apps Jul 16 07:03:34 I actually have 6 pages, but I estimated that I don't use about 16 of them, so I said that I have 5 :P Jul 16 07:03:36 if that.. the stock stuff is pretty good Jul 16 07:03:49 haha Jul 16 07:04:28 but honestly i don't have enough experience with an iphone to compare Jul 16 07:09:19 Leaving Jul 16 07:14:30 hmmmmmm Jul 16 07:15:00 chuck i'm willing to bet you dont use more than 16 apps out of all that you have haha Jul 16 07:18:08 Does the g1 have good music and movie player ? I would one ,but not hear or read anything about it have any good video/music player Jul 16 07:18:21 it's alright Jul 16 07:18:32 i mean, it's not fancypants like the iphone, but it... uh... plays music Jul 16 07:19:38 meridian is a great video/music player Jul 16 07:19:41 tommy, I head of one that does both . I listen to music and play videos a lot . There don't seem to be much on its apps at all. It seem you have to have an g1 just ot see what app it has Jul 16 07:19:43 TommyBres: I actually do :P Jul 16 07:19:49 tunewiki is also very good if you like streaming stuff Jul 16 07:19:58 hmm impressive Jul 16 07:20:09 both free apps Jul 16 07:20:16 tarerulz the media player, as i said, is solid but not fantastic Jul 16 07:20:16 my first page is the built-in apps (messages, phones, youtube, etc) which of course I use, the second page is my absolute favourite apps, which are games and stuff, then the rest are mostly just mej Jul 16 07:20:20 *meh Jul 16 07:22:39 Radix, you ever use meridian player. could you say search for all your family guy eps and find them easy . I mean I know you could just have fold with family guy and inside it season 1-5 . It would be nice to be able to search you movis like you do song . Jul 16 07:24:18 I have worked with ipods and you can tag you movies so you can search by season , title and find show easy that way. I would think with good media player you could do the same Jul 16 07:24:52 right, 16GB/class 6 :) Jul 16 07:26:38 :) Jul 16 07:26:40 how much leeds? Jul 16 07:27:30 transcend, didn't do too much shopping around, HKD530 Jul 16 07:27:52 USD68.5 or so Jul 16 07:31:34 not bad Jul 16 07:32:21 Amazon list the same card for $71.36 Jul 16 07:36:05 tarelerulz: no search functionality in meridian atm.. it's either navigate through folders or rely on it's alphabetic listing of either video or music based Jul 16 07:36:42 note that one of the devs of meridian was hanging around here recently :) Jul 16 07:36:47 I think the next version of Android is the one with global search api isn't it? any app can link to the search core and it's apps become instantly searchable and stuff Jul 16 07:37:02 they were talking about that at the google i/o Jul 16 07:37:15 yeah Jul 16 07:37:19 very PalmOS like Jul 16 07:37:25 Leeds: cool Jul 16 07:37:32 in a good way Jul 16 07:38:10 well I'm happy waiting for the meridian guys to add that search when it's available ;) Jul 16 07:38:23 * TommyBres gets meridian Jul 16 07:38:26 T-mobile touch has search google maps with your voice . So you just say what you want to search for and it does it Jul 16 07:38:43 tarelerulz: g1 got this too. Jul 16 07:38:56 so has magic Jul 16 07:39:06 my phone is lobotomised Jul 16 07:39:08 this is nothing spectacular since 1.5 Jul 16 07:39:16 just need to install the voice search packages Jul 16 07:39:43 http://www.cyrket.com/package/org.iii.ro.meridian Jul 16 07:40:08 When you say voicee packages you mean out side stuff or on the app store from google Jul 16 07:41:11 no SD card makes it very upset Jul 16 07:41:14 well it's integrated in some roms - others you need to install a couple of packages to get it Jul 16 07:41:46 http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2009/02/search-with-your-voice-on-android.html Jul 16 07:42:34 I think you look fro Voice Search on the Market or something Jul 16 07:42:58 meridian player, or meridian player classic, orrr.... Jul 16 07:43:16 I can say real good apps for android itself is coming out . I mean have touch screen keyboard , voice search show it is coming along. For while it seem like they just left out the stuff you need to make it anything close to the iphon. I still think it need media player as good as ipods have Jul 16 07:44:02 nvm i can read Jul 16 07:47:22 What do you all think the g1 or other such phone would need to beat iphone ? Jul 16 07:48:00 snapdragon would be nice Jul 16 07:48:09 the G1 will never beat the iphone, because it's big and ugly Jul 16 07:49:07 already has in my opinion, iphones don't have keyboards :) Jul 16 07:49:35 people who say "I will never buy a phone without a keyboard" have a valid opinion - but a minority one Jul 16 07:49:56 but the point is that *android* can mount an attack on iphone, while any individual phone probably can't Jul 16 07:50:28 true, but we're a minority that laughs at people cussing at their iphones because they keep hitting an adjacent letter on the OSK ;) Jul 16 07:50:56 hey guys. just a short question - is it possible to install an sshd on android phones? especially the new samsung i7500 ? Jul 16 07:51:25 but you're a minority which doesn't buy 10s of millions of smartphones - blackberrys excepted, because they are still mainly bought by companies for their employees Jul 16 07:51:49 Haggy: yes, dropbear... but you may need to root, and I don't know if anyone has done that with the galaxy yet Jul 16 07:52:36 but what do you think you need to ssh into your phone for? Jul 16 07:54:24 Leeds: well. i was looking for a neat way to transfer files via sftp Jul 16 07:54:31 i heard the galaxy lacks obex support Jul 16 07:54:40 do it the other way... Jul 16 07:54:42 (i don't have the phone yet - just ordered it) Jul 16 07:54:49 you mean pull the data? Jul 16 07:55:10 yes Jul 16 07:55:34 so that's true it has no full bluez stack / obex facility?! sad... Jul 16 07:55:40 you can push it over USB easily enough, but if you want to do it over-the-air (or over-the-internet) I'd pull it Jul 16 07:55:50 it has bluez, but no userspace obex support... yet Jul 16 07:56:09 ok, thanks for the update. i'm totally new to android (as opposed to linux) Jul 16 07:56:15 yet sounds good :D Jul 16 07:56:42 the important thing you need to know then... is that Android is Linux, but without the GNUish userspace... very limited shell and shell commands, custom UI and application environment Jul 16 07:57:27 yeah i know - i don't expect gtk to be available anyway Jul 16 07:57:41 just some basic stuff i'm used to in linux (and that'd be ssh) Jul 16 07:58:01 there's an excellent ssh *client* Jul 16 07:58:14 does it support scp/sftp? Jul 16 07:58:19 if yes, that's plenty enough for me Jul 16 07:58:33 the ssh client doesn't... but I think there's at least one ftp client which does Jul 16 07:58:46 ok, then i'm fine with that Jul 16 07:58:49 you should have a poke around on cyrket.com to look at the available apps Jul 16 07:58:56 thanks. any other showstoppers i should know about the phone? Jul 16 07:59:35 we don't know much about the galaxy, to be honest - none of the regulars has one, I don't know if many people have even seen/touched one... Jul 16 07:59:43 happy to answer generic Android questions though Jul 16 08:00:21 ok thanks. it's simply too new for now Jul 16 08:00:54 will keep you updated as soon as it arrives and i get to play with it Jul 16 08:00:58 you can also download the SDK and have a play with the emulator, for the look-and-feel, but it's not really meant to replicate the whole phone experience Jul 16 08:15:17 I don't know if there's much of a community around the Samsung Galaxy's yet - but there's certainly a few ppl already asking about rom ports Jul 16 08:15:36 heh Jul 16 08:15:39 need to find a place for everyone to go though - as I think xda-dev only caters for HTC phones Jul 16 08:15:41 people shouldn't do ports ;) Jul 16 08:15:47 yah Jul 16 08:16:03 it would probably be best to take that route because porting roms to different hardware i am sure is an absolute pain Jul 16 08:16:30 yeah - especially when it's completely different manufacturers Jul 16 08:16:51 so android development is rather htc centric for now? Jul 16 08:16:55 we need an android-dev Jul 16 08:17:01 heh Jul 16 08:17:04 I mean just the HTC Magic alone has two different hardware revisions and different boot images(kernel) and wireless lan drivers. Jul 16 08:17:17 androidcommunity perhaps? Jul 16 08:17:21 Radix_: at least you know the apps will move over to the different roms Jul 16 08:17:22 Haggy: the galaxy is the first non-HTC android phone... and it's only out in a couple of countries, not made much of a splash Jul 16 08:17:28 i think the problem lies in the linux kernel used Jul 16 08:17:32 http://androidcommunity.com/forums/ Jul 16 08:17:38 there are loads of android websites, but it's not clear if./when any of them will become dominant Jul 16 08:17:43 heh Jul 16 08:18:00 i could make android.rancorous.net Jul 16 08:18:09 but that sort of thing would totally destroy my server haha Jul 16 08:18:15 and comcast would kick me off their lines Jul 16 08:18:17 I've already made android.vmlinuz.org Jul 16 08:18:21 oh Jul 16 08:18:23 then never mind Jul 16 08:18:24 :) Jul 16 08:18:31 that one actually has quite a bit of a following. not as big as xda-dev, but not bad Jul 16 08:18:33 but it's a site for my software :) Jul 16 08:18:43 Haggy: http://androidcommunity.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=55 Jul 16 08:18:44 haha Jul 16 08:18:45 fascist! Jul 16 08:18:48 that's for your phone Jul 16 08:19:25 Thanks Jul 16 08:19:31 TommyBres got so angry at me over my support of fascism.. i suppose the best argument i should have made was that every corperate body is fascist :) Jul 16 08:19:44 * TommyBres sighs Jul 16 08:19:56 oh.. you're still here haha Jul 16 08:19:59 kid, you frustrate everyone you talk to because you are a douchebag, it has nothing to do with the topic in question Jul 16 08:20:09 ask jpa-- how he feels about you Jul 16 08:20:15 he thinks you're a douche, but all you talked about was android Jul 16 08:20:16 lol Jul 16 08:21:05 well.. android is nice :) Jul 16 08:21:05 hm Jul 16 08:21:07 woo, 7728MB free on the SD :) Jul 16 08:21:25 and 179MB free on the internal flash, which is also nice Jul 16 08:21:32 hehe Jul 16 08:21:33 little green robots Jul 16 08:21:35 haha Jul 16 08:21:39 heh.. I've got 512MB free on my SD Jul 16 08:21:53 dude i just saw a guy at a poker table trying to hit on this girl (pokerstars, online) and so she gives him her email Jul 16 08:21:53 I was down to... 2.4MB Jul 16 08:22:07 I need a new one.. found a comic book viewer yesterday and need to put some CBZ/CBR's on it to give it a try Jul 16 08:22:13 " ***angela***@rocketmail.com " Jul 16 08:22:29 after she left, i was like dude.... you know there cant be asterisks in emails right? Jul 16 08:22:31 Leeds: work in progress is down ;) Jul 16 08:22:34 :X Jul 16 08:22:45 or is the site a work in progress? Jul 16 08:22:45 heh Jul 16 08:23:01 actually, no works in progress at the moment, reall Jul 16 08:23:03 Radix_: ACV? Jul 16 08:23:05 haha Jul 16 08:23:16 Leeds: yeah ;) Jul 16 08:23:29 annoyed reminds me of a game for the n800 called marbles Jul 16 08:24:02 the title reminds me of a sick board game called aggravation Jul 16 08:24:44 Leeds: making a ui for bt keyboards would be nice ;) Jul 16 08:24:47 *cough* Jul 16 08:25:08 Macer: sure - as soon as the OS supports BT keyboards Jul 16 08:25:18 it does Jul 16 08:25:25 you can build hidd with teh src and run it Jul 16 08:26:00 http://lasziv.reprehensible.net/~macer/G1/ Jul 16 08:26:05 i built the hidd bin myself ;) Jul 16 08:26:32 kb works.. it just needs a ui front end .. you just pair it like you would anything else but you have to run hciscan and get the mac and then hidd manually Jul 16 08:26:41 and i can't code :-\ Jul 16 08:26:47 otherwise i'd have made one already Jul 16 08:27:35 Hmm.. neat Jul 16 08:28:01 i tested it with my nokia su8w Jul 16 08:28:25 worked pretty good with a g1 (except the arrows in landscape) Jul 16 08:28:38 and i wish i could have mapped the nokia key as menu or something Jul 16 08:28:40 Wonder if it'll work with my little logitech dinovo mini bt keyboard/mouse combo Jul 16 08:28:48 Radix_: i don't see why not Jul 16 08:28:52 i know the kb at least should work Jul 16 08:29:00 not sure about hte mouse though to tell you the truth Jul 16 08:29:04 yeah Jul 16 08:29:12 i honestly didn't see a need for one on the phone ;) Jul 16 08:29:12 but even the keyboard would be interesting to try Jul 16 08:29:31 I've bookmarked your page.. might try it out sometime ;) Jul 16 08:29:32 Radix_: it worked pretty good. even though lately i've just been tethering to a netbook Jul 16 08:29:49 well.. takes a couple minutes but definately works Jul 16 08:30:08 pretty easy to get going Jul 16 08:30:36 i'm still dying to get this damn touch book. :) it sucks waiting and hoping haha Jul 16 08:31:26 thsi aspireone is horrible on battery life... about 4 hours. i think i'll go back to my macbook. at least it lasted longer Jul 16 08:31:41 hehe.. it hasn't vaporised into the ether yet then that touchbook thing? :) Jul 16 08:32:01 hahaha Jul 16 08:32:05 who knows Jul 16 08:32:16 it looks awesome Jul 16 08:32:30 and they had demos of it.. and it looks like according to many places that it is real and will be out soon Jul 16 08:32:39 so all i can do is hope Jul 16 08:32:39 :) Jul 16 08:33:24 10+ hours with the kb attached.. it's like a g1 on steroids with a better cpu/ram/screen Jul 16 08:33:29 heh Jul 16 08:33:42 perfect for that new google OS people keep hating already Jul 16 08:35:04 hello Jul 16 08:36:23 in 5 hours my battery went from 100 to 42 percent Jul 16 08:36:54 does that seem normal Jul 16 08:37:01 yes Jul 16 08:37:19 it does if you're using IRC on your phone - or tethering it Jul 16 08:37:50 well I'm using inc now Jul 16 08:37:54 jrc Jul 16 08:38:05 irc Jul 16 08:38:20 jnf Jul 16 08:39:56 do u have the HTC IME keyboard Jul 16 08:40:44 probably, yes Jul 16 08:41:12 probably Jul 16 08:41:46 I just wish it would go away when u hit enter Jul 16 08:42:03 it just stays open Jul 16 08:42:32 hit back Jul 16 08:43:17 oh that works Jul 16 08:43:23 <_Auron_> also yay for my string drawing in openGL Jul 16 08:44:36 yay Jul 16 08:44:48 Hi! Jul 16 08:44:51 French user here plz ? Jul 16 08:45:18 also when u tilt the key pad it takes up the entire screen. Jul 16 08:46:13 yes french Jul 16 08:46:42 lamusic ah chouette ;-) Besoin d'une petite info Jul 16 08:46:51 SnorkY: speak english in here. Jul 16 08:46:55 yes Jul 16 08:47:10 lamusic private message because speak english here :o) Jul 16 08:47:19 speak alien only Jul 16 08:47:27 heum, ok but not long time Jul 16 08:47:30 how can i become root via adb on an htc dream Jul 16 08:47:32 ? Jul 16 08:48:27 u need to use magic Jul 16 08:48:31 you can't Briareos1. You have to downgrade, use the exploit... Jul 16 08:48:40 no I'm kidding Jul 16 08:48:52 exploit? Jul 16 08:49:48 Briareos1: read yourself: http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page Jul 16 08:50:00 ty t4c Jul 16 08:50:23 ok ima get off irc now thanks for awnswrng my questions Jul 16 08:51:27 nothing wrong with a bit of French - I need to practice Jul 16 08:51:44 I do get annoyed with "ima" - which is not an English word at all Jul 16 08:53:24 ima is Japanese for "now". Jul 16 08:53:30 Among other things. ^^ Jul 16 08:56:13 and Hebrew for "mum" Jul 16 08:57:02 :D Jul 16 08:58:03 apparantly it is used as a substitute for "i am going to" ? Jul 16 08:59:32 sipa1024: correct Jul 16 09:00:51 hey Jul 16 09:00:53 Leeds: hi Jul 16 09:01:05 lamusic: bonjour Jul 16 09:01:09 :) Jul 16 09:01:49 <_Auron_> alrighty, my string drawing is done by text.draw("String", x, y); or text.draw("String", x, y, scale); Jul 16 09:02:33 not z? Jul 16 09:02:37 <_Auron_> though I suppose if I wanted to be fancy I could redo the scale to actually be font size, but I'm not sure if I care that much Jul 16 09:03:05 <_Auron_> Leeds: irrelevant in orthographic Jul 16 09:14:39 do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law Jul 16 09:15:31 are you trying to immanentize the echelon or what? Jul 16 09:15:49 haha no just randomly quoting aleister crowley Jul 16 09:15:57 :P Jul 16 09:16:18 i still havn't read the book of law Jul 16 09:24:37 hi there! is there an application, that enables flight mode (i.e. disabling all radios for saving battery power) for defined times (i.e. 11 pm) and disabling it again x hours later or at a defined time? Jul 16 09:31:38 snadge: it was a joke... stop it now Jul 16 09:38:41 great joke man :P Jul 16 09:39:04 im not laughing hey Jul 16 09:39:43 your joke just happens to link in perfectly with things im researching at the moment, and know very little about Jul 16 09:41:45 Scientia est potentia Jul 16 09:56:36 fine, lets change the subject.. hows bill gates comments about Chrome OS.. interesting hey? Jul 16 09:56:56 basically admitted that he doesnt know what its trying to achieve, and the less we know about it the more intriguing it is Jul 16 09:57:39 he is getting soft in his old age Jul 16 09:58:01 perhaps the bilderberg 2009 meeting in greece took it out of him.. with his buddy warren buffet and david rockefeller Jul 16 09:58:23 ah crap i've done it again :P Jul 16 09:58:48 you can all rotate on my middle finger Jul 16 10:00:08 ... Jul 16 10:00:23 sorry, im just a little bit frustrated ;) Jul 16 10:01:52 imagine if you knew that society was brainwashed and manipulated by a select group of individuals, who understand great secrets about the universe, reality, conciousness etc.. and use it to control the populace who are for the most part, completely ignorant to this Jul 16 10:02:08 snadge: really... stop Jul 16 10:02:22 ok Jul 16 10:03:29 '94 Jul 16 10:03:31 snadge i think they don't know much too, just have the power ;p Jul 16 10:03:52 knowledge is power Jul 16 10:04:53 snadge 'understand great secrets about the universe, reality, conciousness' like what? ;P Jul 16 10:05:03 but power is not necessarily knowledge Jul 16 10:05:11 do i have to explain it? leeds just told me to stop ;) Jul 16 10:05:14 uniqanomaly: don't encourage him Jul 16 10:05:23 take it elsewhere if you need to Jul 16 10:05:29 ok, snadge prv ok? :P Jul 16 10:09:41 ffs, Android market has become confused with my account and is now installing 3 apps from the market place everytime I flash a new ROM. Jul 16 10:10:21 Advice anybody? Jul 16 10:12:29 uninstall them? Jul 16 10:13:06 I do, every time Jul 16 10:13:11 Kinda gets annoying. Jul 16 10:13:38 Uninstalled them via the Market, still happens the next time I flash a new ROM. Jul 16 10:13:48 This time I uninstalled them via the applications manager. Jul 16 10:13:56 But I'll only know if it worked next time I flash. Jul 16 10:15:08 And I always do a wipe on a new ROM. Jul 16 10:18:58 so what makes meridien better than the plain old video player then? Jul 16 10:20:47 Ruu: something is wrong on market end Jul 16 10:20:56 ah Jul 16 10:20:58 Russtora: Jul 16 10:30:00 hi there! is there an application, that enables flight mode (i.e. disabling all radios for saving battery power) for defined times (i.e. 11 pm) and disabling it again x hours later or at a defined time? Jul 16 10:31:46 I'm pretty sure "Toggle Settings" can do that, as well as a bunch of other things Jul 16 10:32:22 Locale probably can as well Jul 16 10:35:50 toggle settings looks great! not able to do it at definet times, but faaaay faster than navigating through the menu Jul 16 10:35:51 thanks! Jul 16 10:36:03 you can do it at definite times by creating a rule or two Jul 16 10:36:14 menu->customise and rules are at the bottom Jul 16 10:37:34 i always forget about the menu button :) Jul 16 10:38:26 hidden all the way down there :) Jul 16 10:39:20 with all its great functions :) Jul 16 10:40:06 like long-presses Jul 16 10:49:59 can't you just long-press power and jump into flight mode? Jul 16 10:54:57 hey suckaroonies! Jul 16 10:59:53 oh hi blau-mikeDG, how's your wonderful day going? Jul 16 11:03:37 Radix_: but i need to do it manually :) Jul 16 11:06:49 I wonder how difficult it is to get the Hero Albums onto a normal HTC Magic. Jul 16 11:26:47 do i have to do sth more in oder to make jpg available from getResources()... Jul 16 11:27:02 apart from copying image to res/drawable? Jul 16 11:27:32 http://pastebin.com/m47f020f0 - i'm recevinig nullpointeexception Jul 16 11:28:01 what line causes npe ? Jul 16 11:30:46 InputStream is = mContext.getResources().openRawResource(R.drawable.jackson); Jul 16 11:33:00 * _Auron_ thinks he just boosted the framerate of his game engine Jul 16 12:01:05 i am trying to downgrade to RC29 - created a "b"-type partition and put DREAIMG.nbh (exclusively) on the sdcard - now i boot and at the boot loader mode i only see some info and "Serial0" -> but pressing "Power Button" as described here (http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Root_For_RC30 ) does not seem to do anything. what's wrong? Jul 16 12:06:14 hmm ... got an idea ... Jul 16 12:06:51 yo yo Jul 16 12:06:58 anyone around..let me know what's new with android Jul 16 12:07:04 do we have facebook chat yet? Jul 16 12:07:47 facebook has chat now? Jul 16 12:08:07 lol yeah its had it for ages Jul 16 12:08:08 since april 2008... Jul 16 12:08:19 oh Jul 16 12:08:26 i don't use it much Jul 16 12:08:39 mainly only when someone tosses me a link Jul 16 12:13:23 hi guys wasup Jul 16 12:13:52 * _Auron_ is still working on Stroids Jul 16 12:15:04 Can anyone give me a pointer to android images firmware1.5 for Openmoko Freerunner? Jul 16 12:15:08 <_Auron_> making myself a full to-do list right now actually. Jul 16 12:19:00 I installed android 1.5 (sean_mcneil images) on openmoko, but wifi is not working properly, it can't connect to AP. Any suggesstions? but koolu's beta 7 image was working ok Jul 16 12:20:36 hmpf now i get "not allow" in the boot loader Jul 16 12:29:28 which RC is valid in austria? i only see US and UK in the android wiki at android-dls.com Jul 16 12:51:51 are most android games made in opengl es directly or some wrapper stuff that I'm unaware of Jul 16 12:54:18 Briareos1: RC7 with generated goldcard worked for me with german tmobile just fine Jul 16 12:54:44 i am just googling on the goldcard thing ... but i don't have a windows mobile device ... lianj Jul 16 12:56:58 when youre on root allready, all sdcard preparing can be done via ./tools/adb shell, just format + copy files + dd if= of=dev/sdcard your created goldcard Jul 16 12:58:05 Briareos1: dont need the window mobile device thingy Jul 16 12:58:25 lianj - what do you mean by "on root already"? Jul 16 12:58:54 but i found a website that asks for the CID of my sdcard - then I'd get a goldcard 4 download it says Jul 16 12:59:06 > http://revskills.de/pages/goldcard.html Jul 16 13:00:06 how can i find out my CID? Jul 16 13:00:10 do you have a terminal on android and can exectue commands like 'dd' and 'mkdosfs' which are needed in your case of flashing/downgrade to RC7 Jul 16 13:00:54 i can connect via "adb shell" from my computer Jul 16 13:01:48 and yeah both commands seem to be accepted by the system Jul 16 13:01:51 run: "adb shell cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc1/mmc1:*/cid" Jul 16 13:02:08 k got it Jul 16 13:02:24 and now i post that on that website or is that not needed ? Jul 16 13:02:28 or the goldcard process is also described over here: http://diyistheway.blogspot.com/2009/04/rooting-german-t-mobile-g1.html Jul 16 13:02:56 ty, i prefer a way that need the least extra downloads if possible Jul 16 13:03:11 (as i want to write down a tutorial in a wiki as soon as i got it done) Jul 16 13:04:54 the purpose of all this, in my case, was getting the hardspl bootloader installed and gain flexibilty and freedom to flash/install everything, like the googledevs have with there phone anyways Jul 16 13:05:48 Briareos1: 'freeing' your g1 and make it a devphone, with fastboot/flashing/backup ability Jul 16 13:06:01 i read some people talkin' bout "hardspl" - is this a different bootloader alltogether or just a different version of the current one Jul 16 13:06:47 lianj yeah my reason is basically that i want to directly access the sqlite database and fetch my text messages via adb Jul 16 13:06:48 i read somewhere its a modified g1devphone spl, with some additions for fastboot Jul 16 13:06:55 AND i want to install debian :) Jul 16 13:07:41 anyhow, the tmobile g1 spl is the most jailed, eg secure to screw up, bootloader. i just needed more freedom, and am happy with hardspl for now :) Jul 16 13:08:52 sounds good :) Jul 16 13:09:04 Briareos1: you can buy my neo1976 and run debian ;) but it sucks. same with arm debian on g1, not worth a try now Jul 16 13:09:31 lianj why is it not intersting? Jul 16 13:09:34 interesting Jul 16 13:11:56 Briareos1: cause, as of my understanding, you lose those framework parts android is hard working on and miss the dailer, sms, gsm-netd, etc. basicly have to roll your own. and this didnt work for openmoko in 3 years to bring the software that makes basic phone usage porssible Jul 16 13:12:44 lianj: ah well - i don't wanna use debian for phone features - just for other apps (command line tools and such) Jul 16 13:13:03 hi quick question is the ADT Eclipse plugin source code available? Jul 16 13:14:56 Briareos1: would be nice. hopefully with ndk and some effort, the default firmware gets more bin-utils like a real vim or screen. that would be great. besides ssh, vim and screen, what you need on a shell? ;) Jul 16 13:16:16 hehe - dunno yet actually - i guess i'll find things I need as soon as i have the option ;) Jul 16 13:26:56 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/2964383/Goths-arrested-on-suspicion-of-murdering-and-eating-teenagers-in-Satanic-ritual.html Jul 16 13:29:42 haah WUT Jul 16 13:41:43 lianj i don't get it - in the tutorial you suggested he first copies the DREAIMG.nbh to the sd card and THEN seems to overwrite the sdcard with the goldcard.img (dd) ... Jul 16 13:45:42 yeah, that right. goldcard is only a couple a bytes. with dd /dev/sdx you write those bytes over the microsdcard parition table, when i understand it correctly. it dont destroys youre partition at /dev/sdX1, its just needed to get "allowed" i guess Jul 16 13:46:17 i tried to do everything from the pc via adb Jul 16 13:46:24 or to get around the window mobile device workaround Jul 16 13:47:02 i "adb push"ed the goldcard.img to /data/local/ Jul 16 13:47:13 then i did: ./adb shell dd if=/data/local/goldcard.img of=/dev/block//vold/179:1 Jul 16 13:47:29 (as /dev/block//vold/179:1 is the device file of the sdcard) Jul 16 13:47:50 but the bootloader says something like ... (checking again) Jul 16 13:49:19 lianj: ... "No Image File" Jul 16 13:49:32 oh great, the system_process spins the GC like hell.. every 2 seconds frees ~730KB of memory (~23260 objects each time) Jul 16 13:49:33 did you use RC7 or some other image file ? Jul 16 13:49:41 hm thats odd. in theorie you should be able to to it via adb aswell. i did prepare the sdcard with a reader on my host system, so can tells what wrong there. might try with cardreader also Jul 16 13:51:06 Briareos1: RC7, read some blogs and it was suposed to work with EU/de, youre austria right? hm should be close to work there aswell ;) Jul 16 13:51:21 hm Jul 16 13:52:32 http://koushikdutta.blurryfox.com/G1/DREAMIMG-RC7.zip Jul 16 13:52:50 Briareos1: http://theandroidsite.com/2009/05/14/how-to-root-your-g1-and-install-android-15-cupcake/ Jul 16 13:53:18 i kinda mixed this with goldcard guide and went fine Jul 16 13:55:19 without using telnet app from market, but adb forward tcp:8023 tcp23; telnet localhost 23; (used adb where i can to shorten things) Jul 16 14:00:21 lianj yeeeah - i got it! :D Jul 16 14:00:36 lianj the problem was that i dd'd to the partition and not the whole device -.- Jul 16 14:00:42 nice! Jul 16 14:00:58 lianj thanks for your support! Jul 16 14:01:06 that why i wrote sdX and sdX1 ;9 Jul 16 14:01:46 ah ... i was confused by the "allowed" thing Jul 16 14:01:55 anyways that way i don't even need adb Jul 16 14:02:28 'cause i can directly issue "sudo dd if=goldcard.img of=/dev/sdc" from my pc Jul 16 14:03:42 yeah, i like my g1 - as of 48 hours buying mine :D Jul 16 14:04:16 hehehe Jul 16 14:05:43 lianj does it matter what i install first - the hardspl or the new firmware? Jul 16 14:06:16 Go for the SPL first. Jul 16 14:06:28 As long as it works on your device, that is. Jul 16 14:06:52 yeah, the hardspl should make you saver in terms of recovery lateron anyways. spl first Jul 16 14:07:12 Just make sure it works for your device. Jul 16 14:09:35 Russtora: device or firmware installed? with his goldcard downgrade to RC7 isnt the fine to flash the signd_hardspl1 from android-roms? Jul 16 14:10:54 lianj, Russtora - in the guide i have here it suggests to wipe the phone before installing HSPL - is that necessary? Jul 16 14:11:39 Briareos1, I'm not actually sure on that part. Jul 16 14:11:52 I have an HTC Magic... Jul 16 14:12:07 So I guess I can't really help further. Jul 16 14:12:32 yes, i didnt, and needed a redo. do: alt+L alt+W alt+S Jul 16 14:12:57 what's alt+L? Jul 16 14:13:20 alt+L is for showing the menu, and handy to view the update process Jul 16 14:14:06 ah nice Jul 16 14:14:44 hmpf just when it seems it's about to be entertaining .. now i need a signature ... Jul 16 14:16:36 it says: Verifying update package... E:No signature (5 files) E:Verification failed Jul 16 14:17:23 Briareos1: youre at RC7 already? the downgrade with DREAIMG.nbh worked? and ran the rooting(recovery.img steps sucessfully)? Jul 16 14:18:23 lianj ehm ... i tried to first apply hspl ... as i understood your suggestion Jul 16 14:20:52 my bad. i did take care of the telnetd part first Jul 16 14:21:21 lianj it doesn't say anything about doing all that gmail-setup stuff Jul 16 14:21:26 should i do that before telnet? Jul 16 14:23:13 doesnt matter. type telnetd and do the adb forward stuff, or check with adb shell ps if telnetd started as root Jul 16 14:23:53 then, connect via telnet localhost 8023 at your host-pc Jul 16 14:24:32 hej. do you have an advice how to debug the android framework sources? i want to debug the code of framework/base/core/ Jul 16 14:24:47 s/stuff, or/stuff, and Jul 16 14:39:06 anyone know how to link a ethernet port to a vlan? Jul 16 14:39:34 im tyring to link eth1 to vlan2 on my dd-wrt router Jul 16 14:40:44 what os Jul 16 14:40:46 ifconfig vlan2 create Jul 16 14:40:51 ifconfig vlan2 vlandev eth1 Jul 16 14:41:10 dd-wrt :P Jul 16 14:41:12 linux Jul 16 14:41:13 oh Jul 16 14:41:16 do it on the web interface ? Jul 16 14:41:36 i cant :/ Jul 16 14:41:45 ahh... I donno then.. sorry. Jul 16 14:41:46 there is no option to vlan the wireless interface Jul 16 14:43:54 \o Jul 16 14:48:34 gahh Jul 16 14:48:40 it still giving out the wrong ip Jul 16 14:49:56 Hello Jul 16 14:50:07 oh hi. Jul 16 14:50:57 I am looking for an Android Developer who knows about GSM-Data Calls. Jul 16 14:51:57 ...CSD-Data Calls questions in Mailing lists are not answered. But I think there must be someone able to discuss this topic. Jul 16 14:52:10 So, I am trying here :-) Jul 16 14:52:33 Or can someone suggest me another room (place to look)? Jul 16 14:53:23 @vol_ hi :-) Jul 16 14:53:33 lovely... after of a month and a half of a bricked phone and a two week wait to get the thing replaced; they sent me a device that has a defective ear speaker. Jul 16 14:54:41 Do you know Murphy? ;-) Jul 16 14:56:55 anyone know what the battery notification app is in this screenshot? - http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/3992/screenshot1247748456962.png Jul 16 15:05:42 lianj: i think i am close to finishing now. did you do the radio update? I think i read that OTA updates are disabled anyways in jesus' ROMs - so why worry that an OTA would brick the phone if no radio update is installed ... ? Jul 16 15:06:53 didnt do i but maybe should, dont want a ota anyhow Jul 16 15:08:40 lianj omg i cannot boot via home+back anymore :/ Jul 16 15:09:14 ah it's home+power ... gettin tired here Jul 16 15:09:16 :) Jul 16 15:09:25 ^^ Jul 16 15:09:41 nkohh: all that did is fuck up the ip on my vlan inteface lol Jul 16 15:09:43 youre close. i hope Jul 16 15:10:14 lianj yeah just installed hspl Jul 16 15:10:33 but recovery console still states that i have 1.41 though i actually meanwhile updated to 1.51 Jul 16 15:10:45 JF i mean Jul 16 15:10:52 recovery console lists the recovery version Jul 16 15:10:56 not the jf rom version Jul 16 15:11:02 you'd have to put a new recovery on to update that Jul 16 15:11:21 yo Jul 16 15:11:22 ah okay vol_ - does it matter if i leave recovery to 1.41? Jul 16 15:11:22 vol Jul 16 15:11:35 actually nvm Jul 16 15:12:07 it's fine. the point of the custom recovery is to install testkeys signed things. Jul 16 15:12:13 so, as long as you can actually flash roms, it's working. Jul 16 15:12:24 k Jul 16 15:15:23 can i directly use the current radioupdate? or do i have to do the update in steps? Jul 16 15:15:49 you should put the newest radio on before you update your firmware Jul 16 15:15:59 ? Jul 16 15:16:26 install the 2.22.19.26i radio if you haven't already Jul 16 15:16:28 in that case it's too late. what can happen? Jul 16 15:16:38 well, if you were using the 1.0 radio, you might have a bricked phone. Jul 16 15:16:44 if you were using the 1.1 radio, you're probably ok Jul 16 15:17:01 how do i notice if its bricked? Jul 16 15:17:21 it's still booting Jul 16 15:17:58 if your phone doesn't let you into recovery mode, it's bricked. Jul 16 15:18:05 if you can still use recovery mode, you're just fine. Jul 16 15:18:13 of course, your rom might not work, in which case I'd suggest you try another Jul 16 15:18:22 not if u can get to bl mode Jul 16 15:18:27 I don't recall if the 1.41 recovery has adb enabled. if it does, it's not hard to just push another update to the card. Jul 16 15:18:40 the first thing to try doing, though, is going back to recovery mode Jul 16 15:18:41 when it hangs at android logo, repeat jfupdate.zip. didnt alt+w Jul 16 15:18:42 and doing a wipe Jul 16 15:18:55 then reapplying the update Jul 16 15:20:28 i am still able to access recovery Jul 16 15:20:44 so should i just add ota 2.22.19.26i as you said? Jul 16 15:21:45 at the moment i got the following on the device: recovery JFv1.41, hSPL 10.95.3000, JFv1.51 ROM, Radio = dunno Jul 16 15:21:54 radio = dunno? Jul 16 15:21:56 seriously? Jul 16 15:22:57 how would i tell? is radio reset as well as soon as i do an alt+w? Jul 16 15:23:17 bl mode Jul 16 15:23:34 mom Jul 16 15:23:54 radio is 1.22.12.29 Jul 16 15:25:58 so i guess i'm save Jul 16 15:25:59 radio is not reset by a wipe. Jul 16 15:26:25 upgrade radio Jul 16 15:26:28 so the radio is the one that was last installed when i was still using my phone normally? Jul 16 15:27:32 2.22.19.26i is the one i have Jul 16 15:28:16 nexvision, i am currently installing that one as well, but i was wondering why i wouldn't have that version ... maybe it wasn't yet transferred ota in my country (?) Jul 16 15:28:50 Greetings Android fans. I hope you are all enjoying your Android devices on this wonderful day. Jul 16 15:29:00 Briareos1: if you didn't get 1.5 OTA, then you wouldn't have gotten that radio. Jul 16 15:29:01 ^^ Jul 16 15:29:03 oh darweth1. Jul 16 15:29:05 hi. Jul 16 15:29:43 vol_ i was on 1.5 (ota) before i started the whole rooting-thing today Jul 16 15:30:21 then your radio should have been upgraded, which is odd. Jul 16 15:30:27 but, if you haven't been bricked, you're ok for now Jul 16 15:30:31 just upgrade the radio next chance you get Jul 16 15:31:18 vol_: i went the crazy way of ota 15 update manully, and move back to RC7 hspl and jf, with goldcard. so i should already have latest radio? Jul 16 15:34:39 nope, i got 1.22.12.29 aswell. so i need to make sure to apply lastest radio before flashing non-jf builds? Jul 16 15:37:11 Hey Jul 16 15:37:43 Is there some kind of ORM like Propel / Doctrine for android? or do I have to initialize my java objects manually? Jul 16 15:40:53 I don't know what the 1.0 radio is, but I've heard that putting 1.5 on with the 1.0 radio will cause problems Jul 16 15:41:00 while the 1.1 radio will be ok, but you ought to put the 1.5 on anyway Jul 16 15:41:08 delx: I have no idea what ORM means. Jul 16 15:41:42 #symbian Jul 16 15:50:05 just did. thanks to all of you for your great support: lianj, vol_, NexVision, Russtora Jul 16 15:50:26 i am going to enjoy the rest of the day in real live now :) have a nice evening + byebye Jul 16 15:51:59 where could I get the source code android.content.res.Resources? Jul 16 15:56:34 netsplit! Jul 16 16:15:30 nyt, got an ADP1 in Canada with the JF build. CounterCultured Android IRC doesn't seem to show up in the market. What's the story? Jul 16 16:16:41 ls Jul 16 16:16:50 So, here's something interesting.. The google voice app on the market has a version number of "0.1.415.742.2129". Somebody pointed out that it looks like a phone number. Jul 16 16:17:03 Sure enough, that *is* the phone number that's listed for the developer O.o Jul 16 16:17:14 did they hose something up, or were they just being clever? Jul 16 16:24:15 I vote clever... why don't you call him and ask? :) Jul 16 16:25:56 "Hi, I decided to call the version number of your app. Can you approve my invite? Thanks." Jul 16 16:33:47 Is there some kind of ORM like Propel / Doctrine for android? or do I have to initialize my java objects manually? Jul 16 16:33:48 when do you think donut will be ready? Jul 16 16:40:08 god damn it, call it android 2.0 Jul 16 16:40:24 lol Jul 16 16:40:45 when, and are ther gonna be downloadable rc's Jul 16 16:40:50 ? Jul 16 16:51:00 I'm currently using an ArrayList of strings which are displayed in a ListView. Can I assign an ID for each row? Jul 16 17:06:18 Hello everyone Jul 16 17:06:53 hey sgleaton Jul 16 17:07:00 can someone tell me how to return my phone back prior to Jailbreaking my phone Jul 16 17:07:23 I am wanting to do the debian and lxde but going to wait for my 16GB microdisc Jul 16 17:12:08 anyone? Jul 16 17:13:43 JesusFreke maybe you can help me. I had gotten Debian and LXDE to work then deleted it thinking I had done something wrong (could not access the internet through the browser or it would crash). How can I clean everything up to fix this or take my phone back to cupcake prior to jailbreaking it. Jul 16 17:14:52 hi all, anyone willing to help me get android sources? Jul 16 17:14:56 repo fails Jul 16 17:17:48 can someone please help me? Jul 16 17:19:22 Meizirkki: what instructions are you following? Jul 16 17:19:50 sgleaton: usually when you do not get an answer ... that means one of 2 things: Jul 16 17:20:13 1) No one is available to answer you questions, or (more likely) Jul 16 17:20:57 2) No one knows the answer to your questions or as with your problem in my case I do not feel qualified to help you, even though I would like to Jul 16 17:21:59 from the android fanatic forum Jul 16 17:23:01 * Vernon_at_work hates it when they are there when you auto complete their name but by the time you hit enter after typing 5 words they have left the room ... grr Jul 16 17:23:44 sgleaton: no one loves you. Jul 16 17:24:02 honestly, while you can use a stock install, I'd just recommend putting one of the stable builds like jf 1.51 on Jul 16 17:24:19 you've already gone through the trouble of rooting your phone, you may as well have a little fun with it. Jul 16 17:25:38 amazing how comcast just sucks you in deeper and deeper Jul 16 17:25:51 i just got twice the bandwidth because my modem had an outage and i called about it Jul 16 17:26:06 and now i'm paying the same price for 22/5 Jul 16 17:26:12 that i was for 12/2 Jul 16 17:26:31 will that wipe the phone so that I can get a clean install of Debian and LXDE Jul 16 17:30:46 where can I find a download of jf 1.51 Jul 16 17:32:21 hello, when I clcik on update, or install in market app frequently the app does not install successfully the first time. It usually hangs after download is complete. how can I track this problem? Jul 16 17:32:21 hi guys, I just got a Dream and I'm trying to wget some file on my sdcard on it but I keep getting permission denied?! Jul 16 17:32:37 do I need to run as root to download files to my card ? Jul 16 17:32:55 Macer: fuckin dd-wrt wont flash on my shitty router Jul 16 17:33:18 i flashed that vxkiller thing, then tftp the fw Jul 16 17:33:25 it doesnt do anyting (???) Jul 16 17:33:30 !help Jul 16 17:34:29 lol Jul 16 17:34:42 i thought you had dd-wrt on it already Jul 16 17:34:53 yeah Jul 16 17:35:00 i decided to go with the 2 router thing Jul 16 17:35:00 wow... comcast was just uploading at like 1MB/s Jul 16 17:35:09 o.O Jul 16 17:35:11 woah Jul 16 17:35:49 it dropped back down to ~610K/s Jul 16 17:35:50 lol Jul 16 17:35:54 i called them because i had an outage Jul 16 17:35:56 heh Jul 16 17:36:02 and he told me i could get 2x the speed for the same price now Jul 16 17:36:08 o.O Jul 16 17:36:08 since i got my speeds like a year and a half ago Jul 16 17:36:09 haha Jul 16 17:36:13 damn lol Jul 16 17:36:17 i was at 12/2 Jul 16 17:36:20 now i'm at 22/5 ;) Jul 16 17:36:26 holy shiz Jul 16 17:36:28 i have 10/1 Jul 16 17:36:29 50/10 was too much Jul 16 17:37:01 it cost like $100 more Jul 16 17:37:04 o.O Jul 16 17:37:05 screw that .. too much :) Jul 16 17:37:48 gahhhh Jul 16 17:37:52 i gotta figure out this router thingy Jul 16 17:37:54 quick Jul 16 17:37:55 brb Jul 16 17:38:09 you know Jul 16 17:38:23 wut Jul 16 17:38:31 there was a version of the router Jul 16 17:38:38 that needed a special rom ;) Jul 16 17:38:42 i think v4 Jul 16 17:38:50 it was slightly different Jul 16 17:38:53 the speedboost one Jul 16 17:38:55 bbl Jul 16 17:38:56 im using a wrt54g v8 Jul 16 17:38:59 micro Jul 16 17:39:00 oh Jul 16 17:39:05 generic Jul 16 17:39:13 dd-wrt.v24_micro_generic.bin Jul 16 17:40:06 anyone here familiar with the android emulator's internals? Jul 16 17:40:27 I'm loading a non-linux image with the android emulator but the emulator window/skin never launches Jul 16 17:41:23 can I format the sdcard from within android? Jul 16 17:42:59 yes Jul 16 17:43:16 settings -> sdcard and storage Jul 16 17:43:30 press unmount sdcard, then format sd card Jul 16 17:44:04 vol_, thanks Jul 16 17:44:45 I hope that will solve the cannot install issue Jul 16 17:45:07 what cannot install issue Jul 16 17:45:34 I have upgraded to 1.5 and since then android starting to have problem when installing or upgrading app, it hangs after download finished Jul 16 17:46:06 that doesn't have anything to do with apps, unless you're running apps2sd or something Jul 16 17:46:33 i am not running it, in fact, no clue what it is Jul 16 17:47:06 vol_, I have also done a factory reset Jul 16 17:47:46 wow look at this speed Jul 16 17:48:03 what must i do in order to maintain that speed that the apps run? Jul 16 17:48:09 do not install anymore apps?? Jul 16 17:48:25 no, just don't install shitty apps that run background services and forget about them Jul 16 17:48:46 macer wtfff no power light Jul 16 17:48:51 vol_, but how can I find which application is the shittiest? Jul 16 17:49:20 eh, marketplace comments, experience? Jul 16 17:49:30 rooted builds will have options that shows you how much cpu time each app has taken up, etc. Jul 16 17:49:40 it's kind of hard to do, especially if you're not a developer Jul 16 17:49:49 that's something that google seems to be focusing on providing in the next version Jul 16 17:50:01 heh Jul 16 17:50:10 no power light? Jul 16 17:50:17 did you spill water on it or something? :) Jul 16 17:50:18 nope Jul 16 17:50:25 vol_, I have Java developing experience but no experience in developing android apps Jul 16 17:50:33 you have an adp1? was it worth the extra $? Jul 16 17:50:53 its 'supposed'in management mode Jul 16 17:51:02 vol_: battery status doesn't need root btw. just anycut Jul 16 17:51:10 Disconnect: orly? Jul 16 17:51:13 (the battery status intent is the one with cpu use meters, etc) Jul 16 17:51:37 now.. i'm reasonably certain that babbler is eating my battery. and that intent has no info as to why. so ymmv.. Jul 16 17:51:50 babbler? Jul 16 17:51:59 oh, it seems like it wasn't a factory reset, it still shows my old apps in the marketplace downloads section Jul 16 17:52:08 http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-kalicinscy-babble-zCz.aspx Jul 16 17:52:10 but they are not installed anymore Jul 16 17:52:17 MrKeuner: market data is online. Jul 16 17:52:21 nothing to do with factory reset. Jul 16 17:52:36 ah, like google web history thing Jul 16 17:52:39 ok Jul 16 17:52:47 although you can test it. install 1 of them, then do a factory wipe again. Jul 16 17:55:57 can I change the sdcard label from within android Jul 16 17:56:13 partition label Jul 16 17:57:05 or unmount it and do it from your linux box, right? Jul 16 17:57:16 AakashPatelADP1: oh you mean you bricked it Jul 16 17:57:27 you can always just do this via usb mass storage mode iirc Jul 16 17:57:27 and are trying to go into the safe mode in order to get it to work again ? :) Jul 16 17:57:37 yeah. throw it out and get a new one Jul 16 17:57:38 haha Jul 16 17:57:40 wait Jul 16 17:57:47 Aakash bricked?? Jul 16 17:57:51 if you really screw it up the only way to fix it is to hook a jtag up to it Jul 16 17:58:00 GenericNode: a wrt. not his phone ;) Jul 16 17:58:06 ahhh Jul 16 18:00:42 macer its notbricked Jul 16 18:00:48 haha Jul 16 18:00:53 cuz i can ping and tftp it Jul 16 18:02:22 lol yea Jul 16 18:02:31 woah!!! Jul 16 18:02:36 haha Jul 16 18:02:48 i was forgetting an argument when flashing Jul 16 18:04:40 hi all Jul 16 18:05:24 i've got a message on my htc magic that there is an "android update 1.5" and that it's from google, it's a security update about 700kb big, can i trust this? Jul 16 18:05:25 macer always read the docs lol Jul 16 18:05:50 how can i check if such update messages that just pop up are genuine? Jul 16 18:05:59 can someone send me malware on such a way? Jul 16 18:06:26 DrZimmerman: probably Jul 16 18:06:52 you can always factory reset your phone and see if you get it again Jul 16 18:07:14 lol no, i won't download all those apps again and make it like it was before :) Jul 16 18:07:17 if your phone is already at 1.5, then it's probably bullshit :P Jul 16 18:07:28 it is already at 1.5 Jul 16 18:07:32 or you fucked up with the auto updates Jul 16 18:07:42 how can i check this? Jul 16 18:07:45 actually iirc there was a second magic update Jul 16 18:07:53 btw. it's the htc magic, it ships with 1.5 per default Jul 16 18:07:53 because the first 1.5 version had a mistake Jul 16 18:08:08 is there a way to check such things? Jul 16 18:08:21 I simply don't know offhand Jul 16 18:08:29 I've moved to the dark world of rooted builds and doing my own updates Jul 16 18:08:40 i'm a linux user for >10 years and i'm used to version numbers, checksums and the like, just getting a popup message about an update makes me suspicious :) Jul 16 18:08:47 hehe Jul 16 18:09:32 vol_, is there some official "rooted build" webpage? Jul 16 18:10:09 not really Jul 16 18:10:15 there's the xda-developer forums Jul 16 18:10:19 that's as official as you get :P Jul 16 18:10:19 ADP as in automatic data processing? Jul 16 18:10:27 Danconia_: ADP as in Android Developer Phone Jul 16 18:10:33 it's a G1 that's rooted by default Jul 16 18:10:44 sweet wish I had one of those Jul 16 18:10:53 pay $400 and you can Jul 16 18:10:57 or just take your G1 and root it :P Jul 16 18:11:56 DrZimmerman: jf.andblogs.net Jul 16 18:12:00 its the only one you need ;) Jul 16 18:12:09 vol_, hmm i'm a spoiled gentoo user, not enough for me :) Jul 16 18:12:12 i'll sell you the 2nd g1 to run a hacked bootloader, cheap. just $550 :) its a part of history, you know you want it. Jul 16 18:12:19 Disconnect, ok i'll try that one Jul 16 18:12:23 DrZimmerman, you're looking to build your own? Jul 16 18:12:37 aaronw, perhaps? :) Jul 16 18:12:53 aaronw, i'm used to flash bootloaders, images and the like Jul 16 18:13:17 DrZimmerman: you're in luck then, you get to flash a lot of things to get a rooted version! Jul 16 18:13:20 DrZimmerman, this guy's step-by-step instructions (across several blog posts) will produce a working build: http://www.johandekoning.nl/index.php/2009/06/07/building-android-15-getting-the-source/ Jul 16 18:14:00 hello Jul 16 18:14:45 <_Auron_> AakashPatelADP1: here's the flower enemy I'm going to add in possibly today: http://h.imagehost.org/0995/Happy.png Jul 16 18:15:36 _Auron_: add in to what? Jul 16 18:15:47 <_Auron_> Stroids Jul 16 18:15:52 jf provides a build environment for all his builds. makes it easy to mix your own. Jul 16 18:16:05 ugh lag. Jul 16 18:16:35 I wish I could change my ip Jul 16 18:16:57 my ip got on black list cause I was loggin in and out a lot Jul 16 18:17:15 stop doing it. Jul 16 18:19:51 i give up on this piece of garbage phone Jul 16 18:20:13 automatically adds EVERY sound file to my music library, with no option to remove it from the library, just delete it Jul 16 18:20:24 so between songs i get to hear "In 1 mile, turn left" Jul 16 18:20:30 heh Jul 16 18:20:35 there's a fix for that Jul 16 18:20:49 TommyBres: put a file called .nomedia in directories you don't want indexed Jul 16 18:20:52 does it involve throwing the phone out the window? if not, i'm listenin :P Jul 16 18:20:53 TommyBres: add .nomed Jul 16 18:20:54 ... Jul 16 18:20:56 what sipa1024 said Jul 16 18:20:59 haha Jul 16 18:21:01 wow Jul 16 18:21:04 you can just put it in /sdcard/copilot/ Jul 16 18:21:13 yeah, but fuck Jul 16 18:21:17 then unmount and remount the sdcard Jul 16 18:21:19 seriously, who's supposed to know that Jul 16 18:21:25 well you do now! Jul 16 18:21:29 i would do it now, but i cant stop the music from playing Jul 16 18:21:37 ;__; Jul 16 18:21:38 or you will die? Jul 16 18:21:38 CAN'T STOP BELIEVIN Jul 16 18:21:40 4 different applications have force closed in the last 30 seconds Jul 16 18:21:48 make that 5 Jul 16 18:21:57 and i literally CANNOT get to the music player to stop the music Jul 16 18:21:59 thank you android Jul 16 18:22:02 hahaha Jul 16 18:22:05 wow Jul 16 18:22:07 make that 6 applications now Jul 16 18:22:12 you're just a bundle of sunshine :D Jul 16 18:22:17 ^^ Jul 16 18:22:18 hahah Jul 16 18:22:18 what build are you running btw? Jul 16 18:22:22 dude i have 30MB free of internal storage Jul 16 18:22:24 JF1.51 Jul 16 18:22:28 hmm Jul 16 18:22:33 you should see my screen right now rofl Jul 16 18:22:45 2 force close windows overlapping each other, entire screen tinted like it was rotating Jul 16 18:22:47 it's on a G1 right? Jul 16 18:22:49 music skipping in the background Jul 16 18:22:51 on an ADP Jul 16 18:23:00 orly. Jul 16 18:23:06 i'm seriously going to have to pull the battery... fuck me Jul 16 18:23:10 * vol_ finds the adp1 in his office Jul 16 18:23:30 lol Jul 16 18:23:36 long press on power doesn't do anything? Jul 16 18:23:42 no Jul 16 18:23:43 background services can take 100% cpu and destroy everything so long as they are responsive :/ Jul 16 18:23:51 wouldnt even respond to touch so i could click "wait" on the 3 new windows that popped up Jul 16 18:24:26 and i tried for 2 songs straight, so gave it ~5 mins to recover... couldnt do it Jul 16 18:25:04 fun Jul 16 18:25:10 yepyep... Jul 16 18:25:24 * TommyBres googles gsm webos Jul 16 18:25:54 * spikebike noticed today that *gasp* webos SDK supports ubuntu Jul 16 18:26:11 le gasp! :O Jul 16 18:26:46 I was very sad that none of the motorola phones supported linux as a dev platform Jul 16 18:27:01 I was really hoping to get a razr 2 Jul 16 18:27:28 lol vol_ no need to email meh, i'm right here :P Jul 16 18:27:50 how do i check framerate in copilot Jul 16 18:29:35 TommyBres: just eyeball it for me. Is it better than 1fps? Jul 16 18:29:49 yeah, the framerate looks perfect while it's being used Jul 16 18:29:57 i've never noticed any skipping or jerkiness, it seems fluid Jul 16 18:30:12 hmmm...... Jul 16 18:32:48 and yes, i always make sure to kill all running processes that i can before using it, i'm not listening to music while browsing teh interwebz and using GPS :P Jul 16 18:33:43 there's no video capture software for android right, like, that i could record what's on the screen? Jul 16 18:34:33 not that I know of. Jul 16 18:34:41 yeah, you said that you're starting this as clean as you can Jul 16 18:34:54 I mean about the only other thing you could do is a wipe and I don't want to ask you to do that :P Jul 16 18:35:15 yeahhh i'd really rather not Jul 16 18:35:57 it's just odd that it seems many people are having this problem Jul 16 18:36:11 * TommyBres checks back at the market comments Jul 16 18:37:26 vol_ when you watch the demo, the "ahead turn left" notifications are actually a little bit before the turn? Jul 16 18:38:06 because when i said something in the market about the late turn directions, someone responded "tom, you're right. even the demo plays the "turn" voice too late." and i noticed the same when i tried it Jul 16 18:39:42 * TommyBres sighs... just gets better and better Jul 16 18:39:49 meridian apparently doesnt look at the .nomedia file Jul 16 18:40:04 so i can't use meridian without constantly hearing turn directions mixed with my music Jul 16 18:40:09 nice. Jul 16 18:40:33 o_O Jul 16 18:40:36 yup Jul 16 18:40:39 hello Jul 16 18:40:48 i am thinkin in buy a htc dream Jul 16 18:40:49 i give up Jul 16 18:40:50 * zinx doesn't even know what a .nomedia file is Jul 16 18:40:56 malmen, don't do it Jul 16 18:41:05 but i have some questions, if anybody can help me i thanks! Jul 16 18:41:26 haha zinx, even if it were common knowledge to guys like you, it's obviously not an okay thing to require for a normal consumer who buys the phone Jul 16 18:41:35 malmen, this phone is a disgrace Jul 16 18:41:46 get ANYTHING else, you'd be better off with a sciphone Jul 16 18:41:57 O_o Jul 16 18:42:05 i read htc dream is multitouch capable, but it comes disable because of mac pattents... but i read somewhere it is possible enable it, it is true ? Jul 16 18:42:14 only in the web browser Jul 16 18:42:23 you can pinch in and out to zoom in the browser, other than that no multitouch Jul 16 18:42:33 hi all Jul 16 18:42:43 anybody using sipdroid in here? Jul 16 18:42:46 it comes without multitouch because moultitouch is a terrible way to control a phone Jul 16 18:42:54 s/moult/mult/ :x Jul 16 18:43:04 haha that's not true Jul 16 18:43:18 hmm, does the rooted android support more bluetooth profiles (obex and the like) than the standard roms? Jul 16 18:43:20 malmen, the new HTC Hero will have official multitouch support, and it will be much nicer Jul 16 18:43:22 ^ i second TommyBres Jul 16 18:43:25 i'd wait for that if anything Jul 16 18:43:37 I'd like enable screen lock after 2 minutes but do not want to enable it whenever I click on END key, is this possible? Jul 16 18:43:53 nope, it locks every time you hit end Jul 16 18:44:02 i don't think key mapping to change that is available Jul 16 18:44:07 unless you're getting a call or are in a call Jul 16 18:44:22 OK, but is it possible to not to enable the lock everytime screen goes off? Jul 16 18:44:33 let's say screen goes off every 1 minute Jul 16 18:44:36 you'd have to disable the lock entirely, which you can do Jul 16 18:44:41 lock should be enforced every 5 minutes Jul 16 18:44:54 * TommyBres checks his settings Jul 16 18:45:19 there's only a timer on screen timeout Jul 16 18:45:30 the lock goes with that, simultaneously Jul 16 18:46:38 yeah, I think that is a little disturbing with lower screen timeouts(in order to preserve battery) Jul 16 18:47:07 well, you'll just have to unlock it every time, *shrug* Jul 16 18:49:00 * MrKeuner nods Jul 16 18:49:10 i think there should be two timers Jul 16 18:49:16 probably Jul 16 18:49:35 but most phones do it as one, tbh Jul 16 18:49:45 not saying it's right, just saying Jul 16 18:49:48 I think iphone has two Jul 16 18:50:02 MrKeuner did you try charging the bat on usb and checked the the option in application / development Stay awake when at home or in office? Jul 16 18:50:03 iphone has no buttons, we win. Jul 16 18:50:20 :) Jul 16 18:50:21 iphone has 1 Jul 16 18:50:33 it has 3 if you wanna be snooty about it Jul 16 18:50:43 most nokias have 2 also Jul 16 18:50:43 lock button, volume rocker and home button, yes? :P Jul 16 18:50:59 so that's 4 ;-) Jul 16 18:51:09 could be ;) Jul 16 18:51:12 loick, no, why? Jul 16 18:51:13 and motorolas have seperate timers Jul 16 18:51:32 then again i suppose motorola just runs a ver of symbian so i can see why Jul 16 18:51:56 it's an alternative to do not lock your phone when at home an charging so the timeout only trigger when not charging Jul 16 18:52:11 I use it in my car for gps application and at home Jul 16 18:52:15 loick: don't they have an app that controls all tha tstuff? Jul 16 18:52:28 like a power app? i forgot the name of it Jul 16 18:52:35 sure there are a few Jul 16 18:52:43 I don't know I like having only few things running on my android Jul 16 18:52:51 loick: i agree Jul 16 18:53:01 i'm the same way ;) Jul 16 18:53:07 i try to keep it as stock as possible Jul 16 18:53:10 When it exists do not re invent the weel Jul 16 18:53:26 loick, I see. But at home I do not keep it on charge all the time Jul 16 18:53:38 http://www.cyrket.com/package/com.acme.android.powermanagerpro Jul 16 18:53:38 loick, which gps app are you using in car? Jul 16 18:53:52 ALK Copilot ftw Jul 16 18:53:54 i really guess that the only time unlocking itis a pain is when you do some really far out pattern Jul 16 18:54:02 what tommy said ;) Jul 16 18:54:15 like my pattern goes diagnol between spots Jul 16 18:54:16 heh Jul 16 18:54:31 macer mine goes down up down :P Jul 16 18:54:36 down the first 3, up the next 3, down the last 3 Jul 16 18:54:46 MrKeuner I'm using mine Jul 16 18:55:00 well. i managed to spell my son's name in a pattern that nobody will guess in 1 minute Jul 16 18:55:05 loick, ok Jul 16 18:55:35 lol Jul 16 18:55:47 your son's name is G? Jul 16 18:55:52 er. no? Jul 16 18:56:07 13:52 < Macer> like my pattern goes diagnol between spots Jul 16 18:56:20 oh Jul 16 18:56:22 M? Jul 16 18:56:22 did you name your son V? Jul 16 18:56:26 haha Jul 16 18:57:07 i used his whole name... the pattern actually looks kind of interesting Jul 16 18:57:15 i think i am going to use it as a company logo or something :) Jul 16 18:57:22 lol Jul 16 18:57:26 his whole name? Jul 16 18:57:32 sure Jul 16 18:57:32 you cant hit the same dot twice Jul 16 18:58:12 you don't say Jul 16 18:58:35 well.. i excluded the last name Jul 16 18:58:37 :-P Jul 16 18:59:18 wonder if i can vpn over the local wifi without any problems Jul 16 18:59:30 i'm sure that would give me 2 ips on the same subnet though and that usually doesn't work Jul 16 18:59:30 lol Jul 16 18:59:37 i know i can't spell TOM on there Jul 16 18:59:41 and thats pretty short Jul 16 19:03:26 wodner how AakashPatelADP1 is coming along with his broken router Jul 16 19:03:28 heh Jul 16 19:03:44 lol Jul 16 19:07:13 i should call him Jul 16 19:07:28 be like yo bish, fix yo shiet Jul 16 19:12:39 lol leeds is gonna love this: http://phandroid.com/2009/07/15/htc-hero-aka-g2-touch-delayed-until-august/ Jul 16 19:12:46 G2 TOUCH :O Jul 16 19:13:48 that's the t-mobile variant of the htc hero yes? Jul 16 19:14:32 I wonder if they're gonna use the Samantha Fox song "Touch Me" or The Doors song "Touch Me" for advertising Jul 16 19:14:59 sipa1024: yes Jul 16 19:15:12 languish: i'd think you have to go with the doors if you want to sell anything Jul 16 19:15:34 BTW, the mojo sdk is finally available :) Jul 16 19:15:41 * TommyBres grabs it for the emulator Jul 16 19:16:29 is there an 64bit sdk yet? Jul 16 19:16:42 dont think so? theres only 1 download link Jul 16 19:16:48 bastards. Jul 16 19:16:55 lol Jul 16 19:17:01 why is 64 bit a big deal for the sdk Jul 16 19:17:43 why the hell should I install yet another system for just one software? Jul 16 19:18:03 umm, you dont need another system, do you? Jul 16 19:18:10 well, a 32bit Jul 16 19:18:20 sup what Jul 16 19:18:25 i was unaware that a 32 bit piece of software would refuse to run in winxp64 Jul 16 19:18:28 you can't run 32bit stuff on your 64 bit system? Jul 16 19:18:35 ^^^thats what im saying... Jul 16 19:18:59 errr WUT Jul 16 19:19:00 pretty sure no ability to run on 64 bit would be a non starter ;) Jul 16 19:19:03 THERES ONLY ONE DOWNLOAD LINK... Jul 16 19:19:07 and it's a .deb file for ubuntu, FML Jul 16 19:19:08 FINALLY! Jul 16 19:19:44 FreakGuard, TommyBres: have either of you tried to run it on a 64bit system? Jul 16 19:19:52 no Jul 16 19:20:03 wut? Jul 16 19:20:11 then i would guess it will run just perfect on a 64bit system :) Jul 16 19:20:11 you cant run 32bit shiz on 64bit? Jul 16 19:20:13 lies Jul 16 19:20:22 AakashPatel: normally you can Jul 16 19:20:32 yeah Jul 16 19:20:37 sipa1024: hmmmm Jul 16 19:20:48 how the fuck can you only have ONE download, for ubuntu Jul 16 19:20:56 windoze users, mac users, go eff yasselves Jul 16 19:21:20 source code is enough :P Jul 16 19:21:27 probably some buildfiles Jul 16 19:21:37 AakashPatel: you can run 32bit stuff on 64 Jul 16 19:21:44 yeah Jul 16 19:21:45 depending on the OS though it would require dual libs Jul 16 19:21:45 i know Jul 16 19:22:04 Macer: finally got all that shiz set up right lol Jul 16 19:22:08 heh Jul 16 19:22:12 what was wrong with the router? :) Jul 16 19:22:18 i was tftping it rong Jul 16 19:22:19 wrong Jul 16 19:22:23 hahaha! Jul 16 19:22:29 fail! :) Jul 16 19:22:37 my set up is, main router has a vlan for the second router, and that router has its own network and blahaha Jul 16 19:22:42 don't feel too bad Jul 16 19:22:43 confusing even me lol Jul 16 19:23:10 i felt kind of stupid when i changed over to my router from comcast's and forgot to change the gateways on my servers because it totally slipped my mind to do so Jul 16 19:23:22 it happens ;) Jul 16 19:23:24 gotta set up vpn again :) Jul 16 19:23:28 dont even tell me that was your problem macer Jul 16 19:23:40 NexVision: well.. at the end it was ;) Jul 16 19:23:40 hahaha Jul 16 19:23:41 haha Jul 16 19:23:47 WOW Jul 16 19:23:48 the first couple times was actually comcast Jul 16 19:23:59 NexVision: i knwo.. i felt pretty dumb on that one at the end Jul 16 19:24:00 * NexVision slaps Macer upside the head with the b000n stick Jul 16 19:24:06 well.. my bad Jul 16 19:24:11 i just didn't even think about it haha Jul 16 19:24:30 i forgot what it was that made me think about it too Jul 16 19:24:50 i think it was when i was quadruple checking the router config and realized it was using the old gateway too haha Jul 16 19:25:13 which realistically speaking.. woudl have still worked since the gateway is active on the othe ip from comcast Jul 16 19:25:45 until i disconnected the 2nd cable from the comcast modem/router eliminating its access to the 192 subnet Jul 16 19:26:22 i guess with comcast you get 2 ips Jul 16 19:26:22 yo wtf is an MMI code? Jul 16 19:26:29 i can't send calls, it says "invalid MMI code" Jul 16 19:26:30 :) 1 for the router itself and one for a host behind it Jul 16 19:26:35 yeah u do Jul 16 19:26:43 NexVision: i had no idea that was the case Jul 16 19:26:50 they tell u one is usable but the other one is the one it broadcasts on Jul 16 19:27:01 NexVision: they are both usable Jul 16 19:27:03 :) Jul 16 19:27:06 went thru that getting rdns Jul 16 19:27:10 heh Jul 16 19:27:13 yaya Jul 16 19:27:20 vpn set up again Jul 16 19:27:30 you can use the modem itself for 1 ip and the host as a 2nd ip and use the nat on each one Jul 16 19:27:53 at least that's what i read.. but i didn't try it Jul 16 19:28:07 anyone? Jul 16 19:28:34 any idea what would cause this error when I make android? Jul 16 19:28:35 http://pastebin.com/m98eb1ea Jul 16 19:29:01 13:52 < Macer> like my pattern goes diagnol between spots Jul 16 19:29:08 ugh damnit... Jul 16 19:29:13 Lieutenant: ... Jul 16 19:29:26 huh? Jul 16 19:29:27 http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=2226 Jul 16 19:29:43 didn't actually read it Jul 16 19:29:52 but looks like what you're talking about frmo the 1st sentence Jul 16 19:29:57 omg fedex is such dick Jul 16 19:29:59 ewll thats gay Jul 16 19:30:02 yeah Jul 16 19:30:03 thats it Jul 16 19:30:14 its 100 degrees flat! Jul 16 19:30:44 i live in an apartment complex and these fuckers come knock on the door, drop the package and leaves Jul 16 19:31:18 wait Jul 16 19:31:22 it doesn't say how to fix it Jul 16 19:31:22 wtf Jul 16 19:31:34 lol. sorry. i just googled MMI Code Jul 16 19:31:35 :) Jul 16 19:31:53 oh thats fine Jul 16 19:31:57 but at least you know you're not the only one Jul 16 19:32:00 i dialed through my phonebook and it worked Jul 16 19:32:03 and it was assigned Jul 16 19:32:20 oh. maybe it's a bug in dialer then Jul 16 19:32:29 AakashPatel: heh Jul 16 19:33:03 Quick, possibly stupid question, is there a fast command to format (wipe) my sdcard's ext3 partition from recoevery? Jul 16 19:33:16 you have a business comcast line too? Jul 16 19:33:33 gtfo AakashPatel Jul 16 19:33:40 lulz Jul 16 19:33:45 /msg nickserv ghost aakashpatel Jul 16 19:33:47 ftw Jul 16 19:34:00 yea yea Jul 16 19:34:13 luls Jul 16 19:34:18 NickServ* You may not ghost AakashPatel. Jul 16 19:34:23 lemme try from my fone Jul 16 19:34:32 /msg nickserv ghost aakashpatel *password* Jul 16 19:34:51 oh Jul 16 19:34:53 ididnt know you can do that Jul 16 19:35:07 yeah, that's how you do it if you're not logged in and you need to ghost Jul 16 19:35:17 oh. you have charter Jul 16 19:35:19 if you're identified, obviously you dont need the password Jul 16 19:35:20 that's right :) Jul 16 19:35:33 TommyBres: uhhh Jul 16 19:35:37 those arent registered lol Jul 16 19:35:44 at least the one left isnt Jul 16 19:35:46 aakashpatel is registered Jul 16 19:35:47 * Macer grins Jul 16 19:35:57 not AakashPatel_ Jul 16 19:35:59 ;) Jul 16 19:36:04 can you identify with the different nick? Jul 16 19:36:08 right, which is why you werent identified to your account... Jul 16 19:36:13 Macer: yeah Jul 16 19:36:16 which is why you needed the password lol Jul 16 19:36:17 you can group nicks Jul 16 19:36:21 oh Jul 16 19:36:25 TommyBres: im logged in lol Jul 16 19:36:32 oh wait! Jul 16 19:36:33 doh Jul 16 19:36:34 yeah i guess so :) didn't thinka bout that Jul 16 19:36:37 haha not thinking right Jul 16 19:36:39 AakashPatel: vpn works? Jul 16 19:36:51 Macer: yepp Jul 16 19:36:56 encrypted? Jul 16 19:36:58 yep Jul 16 19:37:02 i think osx only does encrypted right? Jul 16 19:37:06 no Jul 16 19:37:09 it does both Jul 16 19:37:13 oh Jul 16 19:37:28 i had to add sed -i -e 's/mppe .*/mppe required,stateless/' /tmp/pptpd/options.pptpd Jul 16 19:37:31 i thought for osx is HAD to be encrypted Jul 16 19:37:34 to the startup script on the router Jul 16 19:37:46 nah Jul 16 19:37:54 but now its forced to be encrypted Jul 16 19:37:59 yeah Jul 16 19:38:03 it should be anyways ;) Jul 16 19:38:22 unencrypted vpn defeats the purpose Jul 16 19:38:22 for that you might as well use nothing Jul 16 19:38:32 AakashPatel: newer wifi tether has wep Jul 16 19:38:33 oh well Jul 16 19:38:34 :) Jul 16 19:38:35 all is well Jul 16 19:38:38 yeah lol Jul 16 19:38:40 i was gonna tell you Jul 16 19:38:41 i didn't notice that Jul 16 19:38:52 i just noticed yesterday and i've had it for days Jul 16 19:38:53 :) Jul 16 19:38:59 hah Jul 16 19:39:07 dude, we are so lucky to have the android sdk Jul 16 19:39:09 im just glad i got the networks seperated Jul 16 19:39:19 so the vlans work huh? Jul 16 19:39:20 i wanted to get the palm sdk on this computer without installing much software since it's not my computer Jul 16 19:39:36 the palm SDK requires virtualbox, and it's not like the android sdk that runs from 1 folder, it installs... you download mojo sdk.exe Jul 16 19:39:37 Macer: well i had to make a vlan on the main router and hook up the second router to that port Jul 16 19:39:42 oh Jul 16 19:39:54 you couldn't just hook a switch up to that port? ;) Jul 16 19:40:00 did it have to be a router? Jul 16 19:40:03 i'll switch your face Jul 16 19:40:13 uhh Jul 16 19:40:19 it could have been Jul 16 19:40:27 :| Jul 16 19:40:30 i just did it the hard way Jul 16 19:40:30 didn't have one lying around huh? Jul 16 19:40:36 :) Jul 16 19:40:40 oh well Jul 16 19:40:41 uhhh Jul 16 19:40:42 well.. you can always nat a nat on a nat ;) Jul 16 19:40:50 : Jul 16 19:40:52 :| * Jul 16 19:40:55 haha Jul 16 19:40:56 lol Jul 16 19:41:04 i dont need any nats on that second netowrk Jul 16 19:41:06 its public network Jul 16 19:41:34 how are you networking it? cable modem to router .. router out to public net.. then vlan for internal private? Jul 16 19:41:43 you don't have internet access on teh private netowrk? Jul 16 19:41:47 yeah Jul 16 19:41:51 nats are bad Jul 16 19:42:32 cascaded the routers Jul 16 19:42:47 lol Jul 16 19:42:48 and then set up a firewall shiz stuff on the first one and avlan Jul 16 19:42:53 a vlan* Jul 16 19:43:02 and then on the second one, let the public have it Jul 16 19:43:04 sounds like an interesting setup to say the least Jul 16 19:43:16 TommyBres_: there is ntohing wrong with natting Jul 16 19:43:19 lol confused the hell out of me for like 30 mins Jul 16 19:43:29 then realized the second router wasnt hooked up to the right port Jul 16 19:43:30 AakashPatel: yeah i'd have been stuck on that for a while too ;) Jul 16 19:43:30 haha Jul 16 19:43:37 lol! Jul 16 19:43:39 doh! Jul 16 19:43:57 i hate nats Jul 16 19:44:07 have an epiphany staring at the router ? :) Jul 16 19:44:15 "wait a second... DAMNIT.. IT'S PORT 3!" Jul 16 19:44:18 nats mosquitos wasps bees i hate em all Jul 16 19:44:22 it was exactly like that lol Jul 16 19:44:26 NexVision: haha Jul 16 19:44:58 AakashPatel: yeah i figured. had that same feeling when i forgot about the new gatway ip on the servers Jul 16 19:45:02 :) Jul 16 19:45:05 lol Jul 16 19:45:12 was about to send my head through a wall when i realzied what it was Jul 16 19:45:17 im not f'ing with it no more lol Jul 16 19:45:23 yah. just leave it Jul 16 19:45:31 i had to change the ip's on 5 ap's and a switch Jul 16 19:45:32 SOMEONE FIX MY CALLER ID Jul 16 19:45:34 although it woudl be nice to get a business line AakashPatel ;) Jul 16 19:45:40 lol it would Jul 16 19:45:44 you can rdns then Jul 16 19:45:45 heh Jul 16 19:45:50 :/ Jul 16 19:45:52 just for l33t irc addresses and what not Jul 16 19:45:56 i wants me some rdns Jul 16 19:46:10 haha Jul 16 19:46:18 well.. the rdns really doesn't provide much ;) Jul 16 19:46:39 hahaha Jul 16 19:46:49 i cant access the public networks router Jul 16 19:47:07 from the private one Jul 16 19:47:09 :| Jul 16 19:47:12 but it works the other way around Jul 16 19:47:41 probably some oddball routing issue Jul 16 19:47:55 oh.. guess he left.. ah well. i'm going to take a nap while my son is :) Jul 16 19:48:01 lol Jul 16 19:48:02 cya Jul 16 19:48:08 penis Jul 16 19:48:08 oh.. that was _ Jul 16 19:48:13 yeah Jul 16 19:48:16 :P Jul 16 19:48:17 lol Jul 16 19:48:21 sons are overrated Jul 16 19:48:22 the l was hiding it ;) Jul 16 19:48:23 anyone know how to quickly empty a partition, but keep it same format (ext3) and useable? (ie wipe and reformat) Jul 16 19:48:25 * TommyBres_ will nevar have keedz Jul 16 19:48:38 i needa figure out how to access the config pages :/ Jul 16 19:48:42 monban didnt you just say it? reformat :P Jul 16 19:49:00 config pages? Jul 16 19:49:09 you mean a partition of the phone? Jul 16 19:49:16 hmmm Jul 16 19:49:18 oh! Jul 16 19:49:22 TommyBres_: I'm working only from the recovery console here, it's a partition of the sdcard, I just want to empty it Jul 16 19:49:25 have to be on the same subnet Jul 16 19:49:26 i needa enable access to the page from the outside world Jul 16 19:49:27 my apps2sd partition Jul 16 19:49:31 oh Jul 16 19:49:35 there's an option for that Jul 16 19:49:37 :) Jul 16 19:49:39 Monban: umount the partition and then mkfs.ext3 it Jul 16 19:49:42 monban, mount it to a computer Jul 16 19:49:44 yeah :) Jul 16 19:49:45 it's like a checkbox thing or something Jul 16 19:49:45 brb Jul 16 19:49:48 heh Jul 16 19:49:49 oh only recovery nvm Jul 16 19:49:59 humm Jul 16 19:50:08 ugh i gotta reboot Jul 16 19:50:09 stupid palm sdk Jul 16 19:51:28 mkfs doesn't seem to be available in busybox Jul 16 19:51:49 :| Jul 16 19:52:25 i still cant :/ Jul 16 19:52:32 wtf i can access 192.168.2.1, but not 192.168.2.2 Jul 16 19:53:02 harhar Jul 16 19:54:02 dis is wack Jul 16 19:54:18 maybe my firewall XD Jul 16 19:54:25 iptables -I INPUT -i vlan2 -j ACCEPT Jul 16 19:54:27 iptables -I FORWARD -i vlan2 -o vlan1 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT Jul 16 19:54:28 iptables -I FORWARD -i vlan2 -o ppp0 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT Jul 16 19:54:30 iptables -I FORWARD -i br0 -o vlan2 -j logdrop Jul 16 19:58:38 ugh looks like its my firewall Jul 16 20:04:15 lmao im gonna try double vpning Jul 16 20:06:17 awww I can't Jul 16 20:11:26 AAKASHPATEL Jul 16 20:11:29 WUT Jul 16 20:11:34 HAI Jul 16 20:11:40 HAIII MAN Jul 16 20:11:46 i'm messin around in web oh ess Jul 16 20:11:52 oh Jul 16 20:11:55 you got the sdk? Jul 16 20:11:58 syncing my google calendar Jul 16 20:12:08 or did you get the phone? Jul 16 20:12:11 whats happening!!! Jul 16 20:12:16 sdk, you know i'm on GSM Jul 16 20:12:27 maybe you got a special phoen :P Jul 16 20:12:31 how did you get the sdk? Jul 16 20:12:32 torrent? Jul 16 20:12:33 lol i wish Jul 16 20:12:38 nah man, it's officially available Jul 16 20:12:42 WUT???? Jul 16 20:12:45 developer.palm.com Jul 16 20:12:52 YEAH NUKKAH Jul 16 20:12:56 it's OWT Jul 16 20:13:26 SUHWEET Jul 16 20:13:35 yeah, go make sweet apps and stuff Jul 16 20:13:44 STILL SYNCING MY GOOGLE CALENDAR? Jul 16 20:13:57 WUT? Jul 16 20:13:59 i have to have vbox? Jul 16 20:14:03 yeah Jul 16 20:14:14 and it installs to your computer, doesnt just sit in a folder like the cute little android sdk Jul 16 20:14:28 yeah Jul 16 20:14:30 vbox is free though, no worries Jul 16 20:14:34 i already have vbox Jul 16 20:14:36 but dont wanna use it lol Jul 16 20:14:37 okay then Jul 16 20:14:42 no you dont have to open vbox at all Jul 16 20:14:47 oh Jul 16 20:14:52 then its okay :D Jul 16 20:14:53 when you open the webOS emulator it launches a small window that uses vbox Jul 16 20:15:00 oohhhh Jul 16 20:15:02 sweet Jul 16 20:15:09 yeah Jul 16 20:15:18 still syncing... Jul 16 20:15:22 dude this is ridiculous Jul 16 20:15:51 gahh Jul 16 20:15:56 i needa figuer this networkign thing out Jul 16 20:16:12 I NEED to figure out what buttons are home and stuff Jul 16 20:16:16 what the keys are mapped to in the emu Jul 16 20:16:29 cuz like... i can't get out of calendar Jul 16 20:16:30 hmm Jul 16 20:16:31 wtg palm Jul 16 20:16:59 download done Jul 16 20:17:08 ugh Jul 16 20:17:14 its a package Jul 16 20:17:56 THERE IS NO HOME BUTTON Jul 16 20:17:57 ooo Jul 16 20:18:00 as;ldjWESGDJKSDHATIGJL;Fkjfgdl;kgl;skdfg';kljalgahga Jul 16 20:18:02 palm emulatorrrr Jul 16 20:18:05 yeah Jul 16 20:18:09 palm emulator with no back or home buttons Jul 16 20:18:13 load load laod! Jul 16 20:18:15 go to calendar, it's the last thing you'll ever see Jul 16 20:18:20 hahaha Jul 16 20:18:21 okay Jul 16 20:18:45 bewting Jul 16 20:19:02 ooo Jul 16 20:19:06 beauty Jul 16 20:19:21 TommyBres: the esc key Jul 16 20:19:57 yay Jul 16 20:20:07 which button is that, back? Jul 16 20:20:10 is there a home button? Jul 16 20:20:13 yeah Jul 16 20:20:15 uhh Jul 16 20:20:17 lemme se Jul 16 20:20:36 OMG PALM RULES Jul 16 20:20:38 dude Jul 16 20:20:42 man Jul 16 20:20:43 i fuckin synced my google calendar right Jul 16 20:20:44 this is sweet Jul 16 20:20:47 yeah Jul 16 20:20:47 and i was like, WHY IS THIS TAKING SO LONG Jul 16 20:20:49 i go to dialer Jul 16 20:20:53 ALL OF MY CONTACTS ARE THERE TOO Jul 16 20:20:56 o.o Jul 16 20:20:58 WOAH Jul 16 20:21:17 seriously, as i sync google calendar it automatically grabs my contacts Jul 16 20:21:27 yea Jul 16 20:21:50 gaddamnit Jul 16 20:21:54 fuckin router Jul 16 20:22:16 TommyBres: uhh Jul 16 20:22:17 this is... Jul 16 20:22:19 really nice Jul 16 20:22:26 ....yeah? Jul 16 20:22:30 ... Jul 16 20:22:32 i want Jul 16 20:22:34 lol Jul 16 20:22:37 did i tell you months ago that webOS would blow away the competition? :P Jul 16 20:22:54 if they come out with unlocked gsm version Jul 16 20:22:57 ...its mine Jul 16 20:23:52 how many can it run at once? Jul 16 20:23:53 apps? Jul 16 20:24:23 uhhh youtube it Jul 16 20:24:28 i saw a video on youtube once Jul 16 20:24:48 where someone maxed it out, or tried to Jul 16 20:25:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcpR5UTWEdE Jul 16 20:26:13 gahhhh Jul 16 20:26:48 he said at least 13 Jul 16 20:27:04 thats alot Jul 16 20:27:20 i wonder how many android can XD Jul 16 20:27:24 yeah man, nobody can use 13 apps at once lol Jul 16 20:27:30 android just closes them as it needs more memory... Jul 16 20:28:05 hmm Jul 16 20:28:08 sounds... Jul 16 20:28:09 gross Jul 16 20:28:21 my phone rebooted this morning whne i pressed menu twice lol Jul 16 20:28:53 15 now Jul 16 20:28:54 16 Jul 16 20:29:09 lol @ phone reboot Jul 16 20:29:28 he has 17 open and NOW there's a bit of scroll lag haha Jul 16 20:29:50 wow AakashPatel it automatically synced my calendar, contacts and emails when i just synced calendar Jul 16 20:29:58 o.o Jul 16 20:31:57 Android on my new cell? http://bit.ly/vKcic Jul 16 20:32:43 k, byetroll Jul 16 20:33:00 lol Jul 16 20:33:02 you could port android to the siemens C5... its got an x86 cpu... 80186! Jul 16 20:33:11 lulz. Jul 16 20:33:18 we don't need no stinking fpu! Jul 16 20:35:02 gahh Jul 16 20:35:03 screw it Jul 16 20:35:06 its more secure XD Jul 16 20:38:10 lol its definitely better to use something thats been trusted by many people than try your own way Jul 16 20:40:37 (and i was talkin about my network lol) Jul 16 20:40:54 oh yeah, wrong window AakashPatel Jul 16 20:41:46 Does anyone have URLs for updates from the various providers? Jul 16 20:41:57 update.zip from the various providers, that is Jul 16 20:42:14 umm various providers? Jul 16 20:42:30 uhh Jul 16 20:42:32 yeah holdon Jul 16 20:42:34 oh wait Jul 16 20:42:38 specific providers Jul 16 20:42:40 no Jul 16 20:42:46 TommyBres: i think he means rawjizz and vodafone and stuff Jul 16 20:42:59 oh ok Jul 16 20:43:17 Yeah, like foreign providers are using special virtual keyboards that are giving me a headache :-) Jul 16 20:43:43 I already found a bug in the Japanese one, but they're like 'The API doesn't specify what should happen here, so go talk to Google' Jul 16 20:43:58 I have to declare shenanigans Jul 16 20:45:19 but he did reply "Dear Kenny-san" Jul 16 20:45:33 haha\ Jul 16 20:45:37 your name's kenny-san? Jul 16 20:45:51 san is like 'mr' Jul 16 20:45:55 i know Jul 16 20:45:58 :| Jul 16 20:45:59 your name's kenny? Jul 16 20:46:01 No, it's Kenny, but san is a sign of respect Jul 16 20:46:01 that's joushou's name Jul 16 20:46:38 o.o Jul 16 20:46:48 lol one of my friends always argues with him on facebook Jul 16 20:48:33 joushou? Jul 16 20:48:44 i need to add him on facebook heh Jul 16 20:50:14 yeah Jul 16 20:52:40 ; Jul 16 20:56:35 does the youtube app come stock or did it come with JesusFreke's rom? Jul 16 20:56:44 stock Jul 16 20:58:40 what "brokenness" is frontalot asking about? Jul 16 20:58:44 http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=521571895&share_id=130263685629&post_id=130263685629&fragment=share_footer130263685629&comments=&share_footer130263685629=#/mcfrontalot?ref=mf Jul 16 21:03:34 i have String x="123"; Jul 16 21:03:46 how can i make it x="1X3"; Jul 16 21:04:07 I'd say you just did. Jul 16 21:04:38 Im trying to get setup here for dev with eclipse, but https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/eclipse/ doesn't exist Jul 16 21:04:39 there's a few different ways you can get that. x = x.substr(0,1) + "X" + x.substr(2,3); (I forget the syntax of substr) Jul 16 21:04:45 Spyrorocks: try http instead Jul 16 21:04:50 I did Jul 16 21:04:52 failed Jul 16 21:04:55 ngg Jul 16 21:05:04 404 Jul 16 21:05:21 is that what eclipse returns or the browser Jul 16 21:05:29 browser and ecplise Jul 16 21:05:38 wait Jul 16 21:05:40 you're looking for a file inside that dir, so browser will return 404 Jul 16 21:05:41 never mind Jul 16 21:05:43 eclipse should work correctly Jul 16 21:05:45 :P Jul 16 21:05:47 got it Jul 16 21:06:54 OK we're installing :D Jul 16 21:06:59 Never used java before Jul 16 21:06:59 hooray Jul 16 21:07:07 but I guess I can get the hang of it. Jul 16 21:07:10 http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/ Jul 16 21:07:15 take a look at "learning the java language" Jul 16 21:07:29 if you've done C# you'll be pretty comfortable Jul 16 21:07:45 thanks Jul 16 21:07:49 vol_: are you from google? Jul 16 21:07:58 no Jul 16 21:08:14 So I just got a G1 and am on a Mac and looking to write a basic sync app for pictures and music and such. I've noticed there seems to be a bit of a folder structure on the SD card but I can't find a definitive structure. Am I blind or is it not really well defined? Jul 16 21:08:15 I'm just noisy :P Jul 16 21:08:28 guifa: there is no real structure Jul 16 21:08:45 you've probably found where the pictures and movies go Jul 16 21:08:50 but past that, it's pretty much a free for all Jul 16 21:09:18 yeah, is it just literally dump them in? or are albums done via XML files placed somewhere or via folders? Jul 16 21:09:25 music just goes wherever, adding an empty .nomedia file to a dir causes the media searcher to not search in that dir or subdir Jul 16 21:09:33 no easy way to just to x[1]=''X; Jul 16 21:09:43 xbxice: no. Strings are immutable, you have to create a new string. Jul 16 21:09:49 You might want to take a look into the StringBuilder class Jul 16 21:09:51 I was only looking to do images, music, and contacts, which the latter I think has to go through the gmail server Jul 16 21:09:54 additionally, you can always do char arrays Jul 16 21:10:06 i have StringBuilder obj="123"; Jul 16 21:10:15 OK looks like im all set up :D Jul 16 21:10:17 guifa: contacts can be added, modified, or deleted programatically Jul 16 21:10:22 and i want it to be modify the middle one with 'X' char Jul 16 21:10:24 it's just a little bit of a pain Jul 16 21:10:47 I was hoping just to load a vCard Jul 16 21:10:50 StringBuffer Jul 16 21:11:06 xbxice: xbxice obj.setCharAt(1, 'X'); Jul 16 21:11:15 guifa: hahahaha : ( Jul 16 21:11:15 thx Jul 16 21:11:17 I'm a perl/objC guy and Java/C# is gonna take me a while to get used to (I know I need to one of these days) Jul 16 21:11:32 someone just said that lol Jul 16 21:11:51 I was just going to do a basic app that loads the music and images, and then do a basic sync process between the two Jul 16 21:12:00 vol_: How am I supposed to format the "package name" for new apps? Jul 16 21:12:11 but via a mounted disk, not programmatically Jul 16 21:12:42 Spyrorocks: do you have a website? Jul 16 21:12:46 ^^ Jul 16 21:12:56 Not a personal one Jul 16 21:13:01 hmm Jul 16 21:13:02 why Jul 16 21:13:10 my website is volmari.as, so I would preface all of my apps with as.volmari.(the rest goes here) Jul 16 21:13:12 cuz you could just do com.websitename.appname Jul 16 21:13:17 Oh I see Jul 16 21:13:20 Or my username? Jul 16 21:13:23 you basically follow java package naming convention Jul 16 21:13:28 which is based on websites Jul 16 21:13:36 Oh OK Jul 16 21:13:43 com.spyrorocks.appname Jul 16 21:13:46 would be fine then Jul 16 21:13:51 I do have spyrorocks.com Jul 16 21:14:00 there you go :) Jul 16 21:14:12 :) Jul 16 21:14:25 then that's what you use Jul 16 21:15:20 OK lets get a hello world app going and ill learn from there :D Jul 16 21:16:15 i'm getting sigsegv, can anybody help?: http://pastebin.com/m1eda1cba Jul 16 21:17:15 calebr: do you know where or when this is happening? Jul 16 21:17:30 knowing the native code would help Jul 16 21:17:36 (btw, how did you resolve the last jni issue you had?) Jul 16 21:18:43 oh yeah, another random disk question, is the disk name always going to be NO NAME or is that user changeable? Jul 16 21:19:00 guifa: user changeable Jul 16 21:19:05 that's the label created when it was formatted Jul 16 21:19:30 vol_: native code in this case is not invoked Jul 16 21:19:50 mkfs.vfat -n Jul 16 21:20:09 vol_: i created new project and did everything as before and is working ;] Jul 16 21:20:35 So if native code isn't running, have you considered peppering logging statements? Jul 16 21:20:42 ttyl, going home Jul 16 21:21:14 vol_: it is crushing at drawArrays, just after running app Jul 16 21:23:25 OK, im trying to run a simple app in the emulator, but all the emulator shows is "android" blinking Jul 16 21:23:33 what am I probably missing here? Jul 16 21:23:40 no Jul 16 21:23:48 emulator takes a while to start up the very first time Jul 16 21:24:00 once it's actually started up, it will be very quick thereafter Jul 16 21:24:06 and it won't take as long to boot up as this time Jul 16 21:24:45 Oh OK haha thanks. Jul 16 21:29:03 yeah it sure is taking its time Jul 16 21:29:53 ok, will try later Jul 16 21:29:55 bye :) Jul 16 21:38:34 vol_: I dont suppose it takes 20 minutes to start for the first time Jul 16 21:38:36 does it? Jul 16 21:39:23 idk about 20 mins, but it takes a while Jul 16 21:39:31 depends on the computer i guess :P Jul 16 21:40:35 wow Jul 16 21:41:11 adb -e logcat, to see what its doing Jul 16 21:42:51 vol_: does copilot have an option to not have any visual display? Jul 16 21:47:25 itp i think vol went home Jul 16 21:48:04 ah, thanks Jul 16 22:10:18 The emulator is still booting Jul 16 22:10:34 yes, it's slow. Jul 16 22:11:52 its been probably 30 minutes now Jul 16 22:12:10 its at the stage where the word "android" has a light going over it Jul 16 22:12:15 hola Jul 16 22:16:25 Hi all Jul 16 22:16:38 hi Jul 16 22:17:42 Spyrorocks: it should take more like 1-2 mins Jul 16 22:17:54 there must be soemthing wrong Jul 16 22:19:31 yay working now Jul 16 22:21:04 can i convert an ext2 partition to ext4 without losing files? Jul 16 22:21:31 maybe you should ask google, not #android Jul 16 22:21:37 lol Jul 16 22:22:06 bmk789: i believe so Jul 16 22:22:27 sipa1024, will i need to convert to 3 first, then 4? Jul 16 22:22:33 i don't think so Jul 16 22:22:47 since converting ext2 to ext3 is simply mounting it as ext3 Jul 16 22:23:15 or no, you need to create a journal there Jul 16 22:23:38 http://tinyurl.com/ny3qmu Jul 16 22:24:12 already searched it, dick Jul 16 22:24:47 still, it gave the answer: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1118295 Jul 16 22:24:47 hehe Jul 16 22:24:58 * Pheusek 7Notas 7Colores - Con esos ojitos Jul 16 22:25:04 it's apparently a little bit more involved than i assumed Jul 16 22:25:31 who whats to help me interpret a iptables firewall thingy Jul 16 22:29:04 is google voice open for anyone now? Jul 16 22:29:11 dont think so Jul 16 22:29:16 hm Jul 16 22:29:21 i just got an email saying i was invited to google voice... Jul 16 22:29:29 you need an invite i think Jul 16 22:29:31 i appreciate it to whoever invited me... but i already have it Jul 16 22:29:40 sipa1024: that's what i'm saying, i just got another invite Jul 16 22:29:54 ok, but it's still only some countries, right? Jul 16 22:30:18 idk Jul 16 22:30:24 lol wut Jul 16 22:30:34 thats dumb Jul 16 22:30:37 dammit, that means the invite is wasted Jul 16 22:30:37 give it to me :) Jul 16 22:30:38 i want to smash my fist through my computer every time i have to boot up Windows in Parallels Jul 16 22:30:41 cuz they only invited my email Jul 16 22:30:44 ugh this thing is so fucking slow and crappy Jul 16 22:30:44 aww Jul 16 22:31:02 KNY: you here? Jul 16 22:31:08 no Jul 16 22:31:12 * KNY hides Jul 16 22:31:21 lol Jul 16 22:31:27 what do i do if i get another invite to google voice? Jul 16 22:31:33 is there any way i can use the invite? Jul 16 22:32:09 you can't associate it with your same gmail account Jul 16 22:32:18 how do i associate it with another one... Jul 16 22:32:25 err, you log in as that account? Jul 16 22:32:31 Im looking at the android dev site, but can't seem to find any info on network communications (like submitting http requests and such) Jul 16 22:32:39 Spyrorocks, wrong channel. Jul 16 22:32:49 isnt this the android channel? Jul 16 22:32:51 ohsweet Jul 16 22:32:57 Spyrorocks, yes, but it's not #android-dev Jul 16 22:32:58 fuck Jul 16 22:33:01 Oh Jul 16 22:33:01 AakashPatel: .... Jul 16 22:33:08 TommyBres, did you already lose the invitation? Jul 16 22:33:09 i just signed in with my other account and it automatically linked the invite Jul 16 22:33:19 KNY: i didnt lose it, but i used it, and now i feel bad Jul 16 22:33:25 i wanted to give it to AakashPatel :( Jul 16 22:33:29 TommyBres, he already has one Jul 16 22:33:41 WUT Jul 16 22:33:43 you sure? Jul 16 22:33:44 haha Jul 16 22:33:48 I gave him one forever ago Jul 16 22:33:56 oh, nevermind then, eff him! :) Jul 16 22:34:02 You know who doesn't have one? Qwell. Jul 16 22:34:08 should totally give him one. :p Jul 16 22:34:08 LAWLZ i'm gonna have GV and Google Voice on my phone Jul 16 22:34:17 GV for this number, Google Voice for the other, and then my regular cell # Jul 16 22:34:20 Qwell, if I get another one I'll send it your way or something Jul 16 22:34:29 Qwell: i would've dude, but like i said, it linked it to my account Jul 16 22:34:31 TommyBres, GV will hopefully be every bit as fast as Google Voice soon Jul 16 22:34:41 KNY: it's fine, i'll just have 3 phone numbars :) Jul 16 22:34:49 Is it like gmail was, where they let users invite people? Jul 16 22:34:54 if someone asks for my number i'll give them a 646, 347, and 508 Jul 16 22:35:01 Qwell, no Jul 16 22:35:12 why are there no 718 numbers available on google voice :( Jul 16 22:35:17 that's the number i want.... Jul 16 22:35:37 no 212's either, lame Jul 16 22:36:46 hmmm maybe i should spread it out? have a manhattan #, a mass #, and a bay area #? :)_ Jul 16 22:37:02 haha depending on who's asking, i can be from 3 different parts of the country >.< Jul 16 22:37:39 Spyrorocks: did someone answer your http request question? Jul 16 22:37:47 sort of Jul 16 22:37:53 Spyrorocks, I told him to GTFO :) Jul 16 22:37:53 still kind find docs Jul 16 22:37:59 cant find* Jul 16 22:38:05 Spyrorocks: http://developer.android.com/reference/java/net/URLConnection.html Jul 16 22:38:27 http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/c66a6ab6bf7c160d/fc242395bd8488a4#fc242395bd8488a4 Jul 16 22:38:28 this is why I hate when people cross-post Jul 16 22:38:29 WTF Jul 16 22:38:30 lewk Jul 16 22:38:37 everyone ignore his question and answer it in the right channel Jul 16 22:38:39 KNY: i can't set up my mobile # Jul 16 22:38:40 sheesh Jul 16 22:38:47 TommyBres, oh yeah ahaha Jul 16 22:38:50 :\ Jul 16 22:38:52 they have to be unique across Google Voice Jul 16 22:38:53 sucker Jul 16 22:38:56 lemme link my google voice number Jul 16 22:38:59 to my OTHER google voice number Jul 16 22:39:05 zomg recursion Jul 16 22:39:11 dammit, wont let me Jul 16 22:39:14 okay Jul 16 22:39:16 now Jul 16 22:39:20 iptables Jul 16 22:39:21 * TommyBres scratches chin Jul 16 22:39:23 someone. Jul 16 22:39:24 this is a flaw in my plan! Jul 16 22:39:28 TommyBres, run dual sims Jul 16 22:39:35 haha' Jul 16 22:40:26 lol Jul 16 22:40:28 i should... Jul 16 22:40:36 but thatd require another voice plan, not happening Jul 16 22:40:45 add a line for 9.99 Jul 16 22:40:47 dual sims? Jul 16 22:40:47 ;) Jul 16 22:41:16 does any android hardware actually support that? O.o Jul 16 22:42:09 of coarse! Jul 16 22:42:21 all you do i take out the other oone when you need to make a call with the other sim Jul 16 22:42:46 lame Jul 16 22:42:59 imfucking drunk Jul 16 22:43:15 and why does my g1's space key not wqorjk poroperly Jul 16 22:43:41 i have to press bitb really hard for it to wortk Jul 16 22:44:34 go to sleep :) Jul 16 22:44:59 i have to finish a pint Jul 16 22:45:03 im at the pub Jul 16 22:45:12 haha Jul 16 22:45:14 same here sna Jul 16 22:46:01 nice, my pint cost 2.7british pounds Jul 16 22:46:02 alone? Jul 16 22:46:11 yep :( ohwell Jul 16 22:46:24 was with people before Jul 16 22:47:05 i ate too much chips and gravythough Jul 16 22:47:19 needed some beer to fix that Jul 16 22:50:11 okback sorry Jul 16 22:50:25 <_Auron_> :/ Jul 16 22:51:49 dammit Jul 16 22:51:55 so the question is, WHO SENT ME another google voice invite :P Jul 16 22:52:30 it wasn't me! Jul 16 22:52:45 lol i know zinx ;) Jul 16 22:53:00 i just have to figure out how to use this number now Jul 16 22:53:49 has anyone else seen the google avenger pack? Jul 16 22:54:35 huh? Jul 16 22:54:45 wazzat? Jul 16 22:54:54 my placeof employment was sent a personalised advertising pack from google Jul 16 22:55:06 I bought an iPhone. Jul 16 22:55:13 haha Jul 16 22:55:17 oooo Jul 16 22:55:20 maybe you can help me Jul 16 22:55:21 that contained a comic strip, a cape, a mask, and a green rtock that supposedly has special powers Jul 16 22:55:27 :| Jul 16 22:55:29 did he leave? Jul 16 22:55:36 :/ Jul 16 22:55:53 theyre trying to sell us adwords Jul 16 22:55:59 is 10.95.3000 the old spl? Jul 16 22:56:06 lolwe're an online gambling ckompany Jul 16 22:56:28 brilliantcomic though, very well done Jul 16 22:57:03 hat off to google's marketing dept Jul 16 23:02:47 did who leave Jul 16 23:02:49 wut Jul 16 23:02:51 huh Jul 16 23:03:46 snadge: that's awesome. lol Jul 16 23:06:01 le sigh Jul 16 23:06:08 lol Jul 16 23:06:09 i cant seem to get google voice to forward this second # to my phone :| Jul 16 23:06:18 prolly cuz it cant Jul 16 23:06:24 adurrr, no shit Jul 16 23:06:24 isnt it just 1 per number? Jul 16 23:06:27 yeah Jul 16 23:06:28 then stfu Jul 16 23:06:32 there's a workaround for everything though Jul 16 23:06:37 not Jul 16 23:06:41 * TommyBres calls san and asks for the google secrets Jul 16 23:06:56 lol, would it be ironic if i searched on google for a google voice workaround? Jul 16 23:07:06 do it dewd Jul 16 23:07:19 I M Jul 16 23:07:22 shush Jul 16 23:07:26 newb Jul 16 23:08:19 >.< Jul 16 23:08:25 who has 2 GV numbahz? me Jul 16 23:08:27 who dont? you. Jul 16 23:08:32 :P Jul 16 23:08:34 who wins? i rest my case. Jul 16 23:08:34 i haz 1 Jul 16 23:08:39 yeah, 1 < 2 Jul 16 23:08:40 so? Jul 16 23:08:43 heh Jul 16 23:08:44 try using it :P Jul 16 23:08:51 i can use both for messaging Jul 16 23:08:53 i dont even use my gv number Jul 16 23:08:58 GV lets me send/receive messages, and make calls from that number Jul 16 23:08:59 i needz mms Jul 16 23:09:09 cuz i now have GV and Google Voice Jul 16 23:09:13 if gv had mms Jul 16 23:09:16 HOWEVAH, the only thing i can't do is receive calls Jul 16 23:09:20 my life would be complete Jul 16 23:10:48 KNY: you know the ins and outs of google voice, how can i make this work Jul 16 23:11:06 maybe if i unregister the number from my other GV account, then register with both at the very same time... Jul 16 23:11:12 ya think? Jul 16 23:11:38 uhh Jul 16 23:11:45 gewgle's serves are fast lol Jul 16 23:11:57 try it Jul 16 23:12:01 no harm tryin Jul 16 23:12:11 my fingers are faster :) Jul 16 23:12:27 lols watch TommyBres makes a segfault and everyone's gv dies Jul 16 23:12:48 HAHAH Jul 16 23:13:00 did it work? Jul 16 23:13:17 OH MY GOD Jul 16 23:13:21 no way Jul 16 23:13:23 they have a new Change Your Number option Jul 16 23:13:24 one time $10 fee Jul 16 23:13:27 yeah Jul 16 23:13:28 i saw that Jul 16 23:13:32 few days ago Jul 16 23:13:36 should i.... Jul 16 23:13:38 no? Jul 16 23:13:40 why would you Jul 16 23:13:52 unless its some 6969 Jul 16 23:13:54 number Jul 16 23:13:55 then no Jul 16 23:13:58 brb Jul 16 23:15:33 k Jul 16 23:16:04 eh wtf, i did it Jul 16 23:16:09 can you push per number greetings? Jul 16 23:16:19 sad that i can't decide on anything lol Jul 16 23:16:39 particularly by list of numbers Jul 16 23:16:54 TommyBres, ahah, no Jul 16 23:16:57 I'd say you're boned Jul 16 23:17:15 write them an email and see if there's some way that they can take back the account so you're not wasting it Jul 16 23:17:41 meh Jul 16 23:17:54 i wish i'd made a new email for it, so i could give it away Jul 16 23:17:58 or wait till phone numbers go away and noone will care Jul 16 23:18:06 unfortunately the email it's linked to is Tommy.Brez and has all of my contacts Jul 16 23:29:54 back Jul 16 23:30:39 k Jul 16 23:31:02 comcast called me and said the modem i had doesn't support the speeds they set me up for Jul 16 23:31:08 haha Jul 16 23:31:08 which is odd because it seems to be working at the right speed Jul 16 23:31:16 they actually called you? Jul 16 23:31:18 wtf Jul 16 23:31:27 but maybe they just want to give me a newer modem in case i want to go higher later Jul 16 23:31:32 AakashPatel: lol.. yeah Jul 16 23:31:44 dude. i'm telling you. the business line is worth the extra money ;) Jul 16 23:31:52 charter just barges in and replaces your shit Jul 16 23:31:56 lol once Jul 16 23:32:09 they just came, uh we needa replace something Jul 16 23:32:13 comcast would rather keep business leases than worry about whining res customers Jul 16 23:32:17 lol Jul 16 23:32:21 we were like "wtf, you didnt even make an appoinment: Jul 16 23:32:35 residential customers are a dime a dozen :) and in a lot of places here you don't get as good a service as comcast from anybody else for teh price Jul 16 23:32:47 how much does your net cost? Jul 16 23:32:58 with the cable tv.. 120/month Jul 16 23:33:01 wut??? Jul 16 23:33:04 heh Jul 16 23:33:11 89 for the internets Jul 16 23:33:19 well.. now it's 89.95 since i bumped up the speed Jul 16 23:33:20 haha Jul 16 23:33:53 plus i call the business tech support.... i get an actual english speaking american citizen usually within 2 minutes of calling or less Jul 16 23:34:19 with them apoligizing 40 times during the call Jul 16 23:34:44 about how sorry that i have been inconvienienced Jul 16 23:35:11 :) it's great haha... wheni had a res line i'd get some chiense dude or some india indian that would say "you broke it .. bye" Jul 16 23:35:12 anyone heard of an issue where when connecting an a2dp stereo bluetooth device to the G1 it connects to both phone and media audio at first, then disconnects media audio - if i just go and disable media audio for it then reenable it it's fine until the next time i turn off the headset and turn it back on Jul 16 23:35:16 and hang up on me haha Jul 16 23:35:24 happened with 2 different headsets so that doesn't seem to be the issue... Jul 16 23:35:27 or say they are going to put me on hold Jul 16 23:35:35 and have the phoen "accidently" hang up :-D Jul 16 23:36:13 or just basically be a complete moron that has no clue wtf is up from down Jul 16 23:37:12 okay, someone really needs to help me fix my shit Jul 16 23:37:38 my callerID says unknown for all calls, even does it for texts Jul 16 23:37:58 i just got a text message from the Google Voice app and it says unkown, not even a number >.< Jul 16 23:39:48 agh, i'm frustrated and i'm outta here Jul 16 23:40:03 you have att? Jul 16 23:40:06 oh well Jul 16 23:40:09 heh Jul 16 23:43:51 bacck Jul 16 23:44:22 AakashPatel: Mind if I PM you? I just wanna see if I can PM more than one person at a time Jul 16 23:44:41 uhhh Jul 16 23:44:43 ok Jul 16 23:44:55 Did you get anything? Jul 16 23:44:58 nop Jul 16 23:45:04 fail Jul 16 23:45:22 Now? Jul 16 23:45:24 yep Jul 16 23:45:35 Bah Jul 16 23:45:48 So it only send it to the first person in the list. Jul 16 23:45:49 Useless Jul 16 23:47:53 <_Auron_> rashed2020: what kinda fail client are you using? heh Jul 16 23:48:47 mIRC =( Jul 16 23:48:59 <_Auron|G1_> o.O Jul 16 23:49:12 <_Auron|G1_> you can talk to more than one person in mIRC Jul 16 23:49:13 <`vip> <3 mIRC Jul 16 23:49:21 I don't think I can do it in xChat either Jul 16 23:49:22 Oh, no Jul 16 23:49:31 I meant PMing more than one person with one command Jul 16 23:49:42 <`vip> Oh dont think you can Jul 16 23:50:00 <_Auron|G1_> erm, like what do you mean? Jul 16 23:50:19 well. i guess i am not getting the required speeds.. it is going slower than it should if it wre really 22mbit Jul 16 23:50:24 <_Auron|G1_> I could make an alias that does /amsg to all active user windows Jul 16 23:50:34 like /msg _Auron_,rashed2020,`vip HELLO! Jul 16 23:50:41 And it would send Hello to all three people Jul 16 23:50:50 spammer Jul 16 23:50:50 /spam ? ;) Jul 16 23:50:52 haha Jul 16 23:51:05 <_Auron|G1_> I could write something for that too Jul 16 23:51:24 lol NOT spam Jul 16 23:51:31 <_Auron|G1_> not that Jul 16 23:51:35 <_Auron|G1_> meant the commas thing Jul 16 23:51:58 I haven't written an mIRC script in literally over 10 years Jul 16 23:52:39 <_Auron|G1_> I wrote a MUD in mIRC that was hosted in a bot that connected to people via dcc chat Jul 16 23:52:40 figured it out Jul 16 23:52:43 lol that was easy Jul 16 23:53:12 <_Auron|G1_> what was it? Jul 16 23:54:17 /msgall /msg $$1 $3- | /msg $$2 $3- Jul 16 23:54:21 In the aliases Jul 16 23:54:28 That would only send it to two people. But that's all I need Jul 16 23:54:39 <_Auron|G1_> heh Jul 16 23:55:21 <_Auron|G1_> I could write something that parses $1 and runs a loop to send the message of $2 to each if seperated by commas Jul 16 23:55:50 <_Auron|G1_> though I'd have to look up some functions Jul 16 23:56:08 <_Auron|G1_> $gettok is handy Jul 16 23:56:17 werdup Jul 16 23:56:22 <_Auron|G1_> actually that'd probably all I need to use Jul 16 23:56:22 mIRC was the first language i learned Jul 16 23:56:28 <_Auron|G1_> same here Jul 16 23:56:28 i wrote a pong like game Jul 16 23:56:31 and a translator Jul 16 23:56:37 Meh, too much work =P Jul 16 23:56:42 like 12 years ago Jul 16 23:56:52 <_Auron|G1_> I wrote a 3d line engine when trying to learn how the 3d rendering process works Jul 16 23:56:58 sweet Jul 16 23:57:05 The first thing I wrote was an mIRC spammer, lol Jul 16 23:57:08 it was very perlish IIRC Jul 16 23:57:14 <_Auron|G1_> then I moved to c++ and made a basic polygon filling software renderer Jul 16 23:57:21 <_Auron|G1_> that was a year ago Jul 16 23:57:53 <_Auron|G1_> though I first used mIRC scripting when I was 13; I'm 20 now Jul 16 23:59:03 lol, that's a big break Jul 17 00:00:01 <_Auron_> well I wrote the MUD when I was 14-15 Jul 17 00:00:20 <_Auron_> then went into coding with darkbasic/darkbasic pro, and then went through my years of coding in Z80 and TI-BASIC for the ti-83+ Jul 17 00:02:28 that's a mighty disturbing programming path ;) Jul 17 00:03:05 i still remember z-80 way too well though Jul 17 00:04:05 <_Auron_> I'm currently a moderator in two TI communities, heh Jul 17 00:04:15 <_Auron_> though the TI scene is almost completely dead Jul 17 00:04:43 i liked the builtin DRAM refresh logic and the single power supply rail Jul 17 00:04:50 that was way cool in 1978 :p Jul 17 00:05:18 i have a ti-99 in my basement, heh Jul 17 00:05:24 haha Jul 17 00:05:30 <_Auron_> 99? Jul 17 00:05:36 99/4a? Jul 17 00:05:46 <_Auron_> oh wow Jul 17 00:05:50 yeah, 4a :) Jul 17 00:05:55 wewt Jul 17 00:06:01 <_Auron_> I have a commodore 64 sitting in my closet Jul 17 00:06:31 throw it out Jul 17 00:06:38 unless it's an sx64 :) Jul 17 00:06:43 it is just taking space Jul 17 00:07:26 hey if you're starting to get into digital logic and bus interfacing...you could do a lot worse than a c64 cartridge port :) Jul 17 00:08:55 i should have asked comcast for a cable box Jul 17 00:09:03 even if i dont watch tv Jul 17 00:09:04 lol Jul 17 00:09:07 lol Jul 17 00:09:19 AakashPatel: i have ultimate basic cable Jul 17 00:09:27 "unlimited" cable Jul 17 00:09:29 hahahaha Jul 17 00:09:37 like wire into the digital tuner on my hdtv Jul 17 00:09:52 i havent watched actual television in years Jul 17 00:09:56 i didnt know they had limits Jul 17 00:10:00 really? Jul 17 00:10:01 o.o Jul 17 00:10:12 with the exception of news or a sports event Jul 17 00:10:19 once in a very great while Jul 17 00:10:40 tv is horrible. just the same crap over and over or nothing Jul 17 00:10:57 amazing it still has its market value Jul 17 00:11:11 bbl Jul 17 00:13:18 _Auron_: calc scene? really? ti84 and 83s are everywhere Jul 17 00:13:42 <_Auron_> I mean development-wise Jul 17 00:14:27 was there ever a full replacement for the calc os? Jul 17 00:14:49 <_Auron_> not one worth mentioning Jul 17 00:14:53 maybe contiki or something Jul 17 00:15:37 hi, could any of you tmo user send me the official last.fm apk please ? Jul 17 00:16:05 look for it in the app store? Jul 17 00:16:28 it's not available in canada :( Jul 17 00:17:09 P-Luc_Auclair: can i recommend not trying to pirate shit on the official google channel? Jul 17 00:17:10 just sayin Jul 17 00:17:11 market enabler ftw Jul 17 00:17:21 lmao Jul 17 00:17:45 pirate? Jul 17 00:17:52 steal Jul 17 00:17:54 take Jul 17 00:18:01 jack Jul 17 00:18:17 it's a free app Jul 17 00:18:27 but there's a reason its not avail in canada Jul 17 00:18:57 yes, because of licensing issues I'm told Jul 17 00:19:22 Then...there you go :P Jul 17 00:19:37 download market enabler :P Jul 17 00:19:51 but I'm a paying last.fm customer, so I'd think that fixes it Jul 17 00:20:26 :/ Jul 17 00:20:28 hm Jul 17 00:20:49 im sure its on the internets somewhere Jul 17 00:21:11 I guess so too Jul 17 00:22:04 this licensing shit is really annoying Jul 17 00:22:59 it appears like a lot of apps are not available in canada Jul 17 00:23:42 it's not a protected app, or I wouldn't have it Jul 17 00:24:12 er, unless I copied it over from my G1... Jul 17 00:24:16 Leeds, what do you mean Jul 17 00:24:47 its not copy-protected Jul 17 00:24:52 P-Luc_Auclair: apps can be copy protected, which means they get installed in a 'private' area to make it very slightly harder to copy Jul 17 00:25:02 gahh Jul 17 00:25:04 bbiab Jul 17 00:25:18 urgent toilet break, I assume :P Jul 17 00:25:38 oh I see Jul 17 00:25:58 is google going to develop better DRM for paid apps? Jul 17 00:26:30 haha, no paid apps in canada either Jul 17 00:26:55 are paid apps only for the us ? Jul 17 00:27:25 right now its only in the us Jul 17 00:27:33 as far as I know Jul 17 00:27:40 but of course they will expand it. Jul 17 00:28:12 you don't know much... Jul 17 00:28:33 paid apps are available in quite a few countries :) Jul 17 00:28:35 I'm kinda pissed that I bought an android phone for dev'ing but I can't sell anything ! Jul 17 00:28:50 er Jul 17 00:28:54 you can sell whatever you want Jul 17 00:29:02 use of the market is not mandatory Jul 17 00:29:12 P-Luc_Auclair: why can't you sell anything ? Jul 17 00:29:23 (unlike apple/iphone) Jul 17 00:30:03 http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=138294 Jul 17 00:30:03 I believe there's no way to sell from my network Jul 17 00:30:14 register buy-my-app.com Jul 17 00:30:21 sell your app through it Jul 17 00:30:23 but I'm probably wrong Jul 17 00:30:24 #3 profit Jul 17 00:30:46 P-Luc_Auclair: for what it's worth, the selling is nothing to do with your phone/network at all - I am a registered seller, living in HK, using an HK phone on an HK network... but I have a UK bank account, and that's how I sell Jul 17 00:31:08 if you can get a US bank account, you can probably sell apps. Jul 17 00:31:40 spikebike: #2 Get people to go to your site Jul 17 00:31:42 sure Jul 17 00:31:44 ill set you one up Jul 17 00:31:44 Leeds: thats interesting....I have a US bank acct Jul 17 00:31:49 just link it to your real bank account Jul 17 00:31:50 :) Jul 17 00:31:58 i promise i wont touch it! Jul 17 00:32:00 gambler: can I have some money then? ;) Jul 17 00:32:12 P-Luc_Auclair: You on rogers? Jul 17 00:32:52 yes Jul 17 00:33:14 Leeds, that's interesting ! Jul 17 00:33:49 why spyro ? Jul 17 00:44:39 are there any notepad apps for Android that don't use the default 1/2" of screen real estate per item in the notes list? Jul 17 00:44:40 hm Jul 17 00:44:52 (good god that's the most annoying thing about the Android UI) Jul 17 00:44:53 let me check the status of my vaporbook Jul 17 00:44:56 uhm.. touch book :) Jul 17 00:45:12 wtf.. thsi crap doesn't seem to be working too well Jul 17 00:45:22 Leeds, Im slowly going broke due to an infatuation with high stakes gambling... Jul 17 00:46:21 I wish cyrket.com had screenshots of the apps... Jul 17 00:47:23 cyrket.com? Jul 17 00:47:39 is there an echo in here? :) Jul 17 00:47:40 autojack: androilib.com Jul 17 00:47:49 er androlib.com no extra i Jul 17 00:47:49 echo in here? Jul 17 00:47:52 here? Jul 17 00:47:57 i don't think so Jul 17 00:48:04 :) bbl tho Jul 17 00:48:30 lol Jul 17 00:48:51 just never heard of cyrket Jul 17 00:48:59 I never heard of androlib Jul 17 00:49:01 same concept Jul 17 00:49:36 taht was my way of asking you what it was but never mind Jul 17 00:49:43 heh Jul 17 00:49:55 I've tried AK Notepad and Note Everything but both use the big list format. Jul 17 00:50:28 ah and now i see Jul 17 00:50:35 web based app thing huh? Jul 17 00:50:39 yep Jul 17 00:51:10 is there a google maps that can download the actual maps? :) Jul 17 00:51:11 heh Jul 17 00:51:14 instead of streaming them? Jul 17 00:51:25 that's against the AUP Jul 17 00:51:32 but there are programs that download other maps Jul 17 00:51:32 oh :-\ Jul 17 00:51:34 hmm, connections on 3g not quite stable :p Jul 17 00:51:37 that sucks Jul 17 00:51:40 do you really care if it's a google app? Jul 17 00:51:43 er map Jul 17 00:51:51 spikebike: it isn't the fact that it's a good map Jul 17 00:51:55 it is the fact that it requires the data connection Jul 17 00:52:01 i was going from chicago to cleveland Jul 17 00:52:13 and i turned into just a dot hoping i was going in the right direction for a few miles :) Jul 17 00:52:24 hi, im thinking of buying a g1, are there maps available for GPS navigation because I don't have any data connection? Thanks Jul 17 00:52:31 macer try andnav Jul 17 00:52:32 nothing would have sucked more to pop back into a data zone to find i was like 100 miles off on the wrong highway haha Jul 17 00:52:35 like I can buy Jul 17 00:52:50 i think for a minute there i was going off the compass and just heading east Jul 17 00:53:12 i guess tmob decided corn doesn't need internet acccess to grow Jul 17 00:53:29 hehe Jul 17 00:53:29 andnav huh? ok i'll check it out Jul 17 00:53:52 either that or ditch the g1 and buy a n800/n770 used ;-) Jul 17 00:54:14 i still wonder what drives google Jul 17 00:54:27 like where they get such a large amount of money from :) is there a way to see their corperate report? Jul 17 00:54:41 i just can't see adsense being that successful Jul 17 00:55:04 they don't charge for huge amounts of data moving around Jul 17 00:55:10 they don't charge for android Jul 17 00:55:24 they don't charge for any of their online stuff.. and are going to release yet another OS that they don't charge for Jul 17 00:55:32 where does all this money come from? :) Jul 17 00:55:46 heh Jul 17 00:55:49 they are a public company Jul 17 00:55:53 yes you can see their public report Jul 17 00:55:56 lol Jul 17 00:55:58 it's called the Annual Report. Jul 17 00:56:01 you know where you can find it? Jul 17 00:56:06 http://finance.google.com ;) Jul 17 00:56:07 wallstreet.com? Jul 17 00:56:08 haha Jul 17 00:56:11 lol Jul 17 00:56:15 awesome.. let me look at it Jul 17 00:56:25 i was always curiosu how they made money with nothing but free stuff Jul 17 00:56:25 google ads work, thus folks pay for them Jul 17 00:56:29 I suspect you will find that they really do make a crazy amount of money from AdSense. Jul 17 00:56:35 getting more eyeballs on the internet makes google more money Jul 17 00:56:41 autojack: i hope so haha Jul 17 00:56:48 either that or they're enroning their books Jul 17 00:57:09 i don't think google does mark to market though Jul 17 00:57:20 after enron i doubt it's even legal haa Jul 17 00:57:24 there wouldn't be anything inherently wrong with it if they did. Jul 17 00:57:34 I take it you watched The Smartest Guys In The Room? Jul 17 00:57:39 yeah :) Jul 17 00:57:43 hahaha.. wow they were horrible Jul 17 00:57:48 well Jul 17 00:57:59 that film sort of misrepresents mark to market Jul 17 00:58:02 awesome documentary Jul 17 00:58:05 autojack: oh i'm sure it does Jul 17 00:58:08 it's not some secret evil thing that only enron does Jul 17 00:58:11 it was a rather one sided documentary Jul 17 00:58:17 it's an accepted accounting practice that lots of companies do Jul 17 00:58:38 autojack: heh.. and for the most part worked for everybody except enron? :) Jul 17 00:58:39 they used it in a particularly shady way, but it had more to do with the fact that they were in a position to dictate the value of what they were booking arbitrarily. Jul 17 00:59:22 basically they were selling stuff that no one else sold, so to speak, so they got to assign a value to it. Jul 17 00:59:40 when you're in that situation, mark to market becomes really shaky because who's to say whether the value you put on your asset is legitimate? Jul 17 00:59:54 whereas let's say Apple uses mark to market. Jul 17 01:00:01 it's pretty clear what the value of a million iPods sold it. Jul 17 01:00:04 *is. Jul 17 01:00:10 so it's no issue. Jul 17 01:00:14 er I thought enron was mostly buy it for $1.01, sell it for $1.02 and claim $1.02 of profit Jul 17 01:00:29 something like that. I don't remember the exact details. Jul 17 01:00:50 but the documentary we're talking about makes it sound like this accounting practice called mark to market was the secret key to their evil plan. Jul 17 01:00:53 and it wasn't really. Jul 17 01:01:30 http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?action=getcompany&CIK=0001288776&owner=include Jul 17 01:01:34 there it is :) Jul 17 01:01:46 spikebike: lol Jul 17 01:01:56 no spikebike .. they were comming up with ideas Jul 17 01:02:04 making contracts for the idea Jul 17 01:02:27 and once the contract was done they were writing down the potential profits at the moment the contract was finalized Jul 17 01:02:53 so they were betting that they would make profit on something that hadn't even started to be worked on yet simply because it was a signed and finalized project Jul 17 01:03:14 and investors only saw the profit margins which were inflated with tons of projects that failed Jul 17 01:04:34 then they made offshore shell companies to hide debt :) Jul 17 01:04:41 so it never looked like enron took a loss Jul 17 01:05:11 AakashPatel: get everything working? Jul 17 01:05:11 heh Jul 17 01:05:16 nope Jul 17 01:05:24 i forgot what you were trying to get working Jul 17 01:05:25 lol Jul 17 01:05:32 still having router problems? Jul 17 01:06:01 i cant access my public routers config page from my private netowrk Jul 17 01:06:08 lol Jul 17 01:06:11 they are on different subnets Jul 17 01:06:20 you might have to plug a cable directly into another port? Jul 17 01:06:33 and change the subnet of your client to the subnet of the router Jul 17 01:06:40 then bridge the two subnets so they can talk to one another Jul 17 01:06:45 :) Jul 17 01:06:48 uhhhh Jul 17 01:06:52 usually i'd do it with iptables? Jul 17 01:06:54 ill save that for tomorrow Jul 17 01:06:57 lol Jul 17 01:07:06 if its only iptables then okay lol Jul 17 01:07:15 you know whut i need to do :P Jul 17 01:07:19 yeah. you're just trying to get two diffrerent subnets to be able to route to one another Jul 17 01:07:25 AakashPatel: not really. i haven't done that in years Jul 17 01:07:27 :) Jul 17 01:07:33 and when i did it .. i was using openwrt Jul 17 01:07:43 bleh dd-wrt isnt too different Jul 17 01:07:45 and only because it was the only way to do it haha Jul 17 01:07:48 not really Jul 17 01:07:53 iptables usually remains the same Jul 17 01:07:55 and you can ssh to it Jul 17 01:08:02 you just need to find out where ddwrt keeps its scripts Jul 17 01:08:11 or where it keeps its rules Jul 17 01:08:30 http://pastebin.com/m7e7bd384 Jul 17 01:08:31 but it's just a routing problem.. you knwo you could have always natted the nat to the nat through the nat in order to nat the nat Jul 17 01:08:34 * Macer grins Jul 17 01:08:39 haha Jul 17 01:08:46 lol wtf Jul 17 01:09:14 ppp0? Jul 17 01:09:31 uh...i just followed a tutorial to set up an isolated vlan Jul 17 01:09:59 oh .. charter Jul 17 01:10:00 heh Jul 17 01:10:17 yeah Jul 17 01:10:18 iptables -I FORWARD -i vlan2 -o vlan1 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT Jul 17 01:10:50 :) Jul 17 01:11:00 you have pkts gonig from one vlan to another Jul 17 01:11:12 which means.... Jul 17 01:11:13 lol Jul 17 01:11:19 you don't have them coming back ;) Jul 17 01:11:26 ohh Jul 17 01:11:28 ok.. i have to go Jul 17 01:11:29 heh Jul 17 01:11:30 k Jul 17 01:11:58 i'll bbl.. good luck Jul 17 01:12:02 thank Jul 17 01:12:04 s Jul 17 01:12:07 fewd time Jul 17 01:19:17 anyone here happen to have any pull in the GMAIL dept? Jul 17 01:19:25 I have a criticle issue Jul 17 01:19:44 critical you mean? Jul 17 01:23:20 pull ? Jul 17 01:23:24 everybody's issue is critical :) Jul 17 01:23:34 i just lost 4thousand e-mails please be understanding with my grammar Jul 17 01:23:51 within gmail ? Jul 17 01:23:59 ekk yes Jul 17 01:24:07 :( Jul 17 01:24:09 did you mail them? Jul 17 01:24:29 how did you delete them ? Jul 17 01:24:38 I didn't delete them Jul 17 01:25:07 who did you give your password to? Jul 17 01:25:27 I was shuffling around mail in my folders and some mail (about 9k) was in my spam folder, early this morning gmail did a big 1 month purge and i got hit with it Jul 17 01:25:58 ugh Jul 17 01:26:28 This is freakin embarrassing Jul 17 01:26:40 I bet you'll make sure it never happens again too. Jul 17 01:27:03 ! HELL NO IT WON'T Jul 17 01:27:24 Xavier: i don't know of a way to get those back sorry. Jul 17 01:27:50 Xavier: you kept 9k important email messages in your spam folder? Jul 17 01:28:02 no not really Jul 17 01:28:19 well yeah i guess now you could say i did Jul 17 01:28:36 doh! Jul 17 01:28:42 * spikebike almost succeeds in not laughing Jul 17 01:28:57 what, trying to get around space limits? :X Jul 17 01:29:16 Nothing like that, i just got hit with allot of spam Jul 17 01:29:24 lately its been awful Jul 17 01:29:32 500-1000 spams a day Jul 17 01:29:34 so you just said f' it, and moved everything to spam? Jul 17 01:29:40 haha Jul 17 01:29:42 hahaaha Jul 17 01:29:44 something like that yes Jul 17 01:29:45 "that will show those spammers" Jul 17 01:30:18 spammers hate when you view spam along with your regular mail! Jul 17 01:30:20 But i was going day by day checking everything Jul 17 01:30:49 I had no idea in hell the mail was going to get chopped down like that :( Jul 17 01:30:55 is it possible somehow to do hardware upgrades to htc devices lol? want more ram for hero ;[ Jul 17 01:31:10 Xavier: well it says it at the top of the spam lsit Jul 17 01:31:10 doesn't the hero already have 288? Jul 17 01:31:12 "(messages that have been in Spam more than 30 days will be automatically deleted)" Jul 17 01:31:38 romainguy_: I don't ever actually go in that folder, I do everything via filters Jul 17 01:31:49 spikebike: well i have the magic and what i meant by that is to be able to run the hero rom faster event though magic has 288mb aswell Jul 17 01:31:59 I feel sick Jul 17 01:32:14 Does anyone know a google ployee? Jul 17 01:32:19 I am Jul 17 01:32:34 for your Gmail problems: http://mail.google.com/support/ Jul 17 01:32:37 Xavier: you're not going to get some random google employee to recover your e-mail. Jul 17 01:32:40 romainguy_: for crying out loud can you try and shake the tree Jul 17 01:32:56 Xavier: actually he probally can't. Jul 17 01:32:57 shake what tree? I am sorry but I work on Android Jul 17 01:33:04 Xavier: go through the proper channels. Jul 17 01:33:07 if you have a problem with Gmail you need to contact the Gmail support team Jul 17 01:33:19 i'm trying not to take delight in others misfortune but this is somewhat amusing Jul 17 01:33:32 isn't there a paid for gmail that includes support? Jul 17 01:33:36 I did try and contact gmail Jul 17 01:33:42 I even called postini Jul 17 01:33:54 I've done everything i can Jul 17 01:33:54 i wouldn't be surprised if messages marked spam are deleted permanently Jul 17 01:34:22 I know for sure that mail has a 48 hour server hold Jul 17 01:34:31 I used to run a merak server Jul 17 01:34:50 This happened this morning Jul 17 01:34:51 Well now you know not to use your spam folder to store important emails in... Jul 17 01:35:15 Spyrorocks: I just know now not to use the web client so much Jul 17 01:35:18 k4r1m: umm you have a magic, with 288M, and want to run a hero rom, which is meant to run on a phone with 288MB and what is the problem? Jul 17 01:35:20 and keep better backups Jul 17 01:35:37 k4r1m: Are you running tornado ? Jul 17 01:36:00 romainguy_: can you send a letter down the food chain ? Jul 17 01:36:33 spikebike: its slow! Jul 17 01:36:39 Xavier: wut? Jul 17 01:36:49 does your magic have 288M? Jul 17 01:36:54 yup yup Jul 17 01:37:02 which makes me confused Jul 17 01:37:07 you sure? Jul 17 01:37:13 k4r1m: hold on i'll explain in a moment Jul 17 01:37:13 what does cat /proc/meminfo say? Jul 17 01:37:15 yeah... i got the 32 a Jul 17 01:37:23 Xavier: please contact Gmail support http://mail.google.com/support/ Jul 17 01:37:27 romainguy_: it couldn't hurt to try ? Jul 17 01:37:37 I did that romainguy_ Jul 17 01:37:53 spikebike: turst me its 288mb Jul 17 01:38:00 Gmail stores all emails, even if you delete them, they are stored somewhere. Jul 17 01:38:26 k4r1m: heh, I've seen a dozen magics and haven't figured out the rhyme or reason for the 192 vs 288MB Jul 17 01:38:46 spikebike: just so ur happy, mem total is 198 and other is hidden cuz it used but some low level crap Jul 17 01:39:06 yes Jul 17 01:39:13 96MB or so is used for the radio/video card Jul 17 01:39:23 k4r1m: cool, yeah that's right for 288 Jul 17 01:39:30 i wonder if its just that hero rom is not stable or something wrong with the magic port it self Jul 17 01:39:38 does the hero have a discrete gpu or something? Jul 17 01:39:54 built in to the main chip, yes Jul 17 01:40:07 different than the g1/magic? Jul 17 01:40:29 i don't know, i don't have specs that are that detailed for the 7200a/7201a :P Jul 17 01:40:45 still though memory is the issue Jul 17 01:40:58 i dont think graphic memory will create an issue Jul 17 01:41:05 well actually maybe lol =p Jul 17 01:41:11 nah Jul 17 01:41:22 well 288MB on the magic should be just as useful as 288MB on the hero Jul 17 01:41:48 romainguy_: Their is no option to contact them about this bug since the bug hasn't been acknowledged by gmail yet, only postini Jul 17 01:41:50 we need to build a x64 android and slap together a board with 4gb of ram... that should be enough for the hero. Jul 17 01:41:57 Unless you can find something general i can use Jul 17 01:42:05 like a general form or something Jul 17 01:42:16 * k4r1m runs Jul 17 01:42:17 it's not a bug :X Jul 17 01:42:18 see http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/gmail/thread?tid=7a3b96e5a0f7bbd2&hl=en Jul 17 01:42:36 you are requesting support, not reporting a bug Jul 17 01:43:25 lols Jul 17 01:44:02 haha "or I will consider going back to hotmail, yeah it is that bad!" Jul 17 01:44:10 heh Jul 17 01:44:23 people bitch and amazing amount for something provided for free Jul 17 01:44:30 i know Jul 17 01:44:37 insane Jul 17 01:44:37 who frickin cares if your spam email box is not deleting as quickly as it should Jul 17 01:44:40 * AakashPatel luvz gmail Jul 17 01:44:58 zinx yes i understand that Jul 17 01:45:04 spikebike: OMFG! my inbox deleted an email 1 whole second after i clicked delelte! Jul 17 01:45:06 this is shit! Jul 17 01:45:08 lmao Jul 17 01:45:31 spikebike: excuse me , you loose 4 thousand messages and see how you feel Jul 17 01:46:13 * warewolf sighs Jul 17 01:46:41 how did you loose 4K messages Jul 17 01:47:07 did you click delete XD Jul 17 01:47:22 he hid really important email in his spam folder.... for a month Jul 17 01:47:23 * spikebike snorts Jul 17 01:47:25 AakashPatel: he left them in 'spam' for >30 days Jul 17 01:47:35 :/ Jul 17 01:47:35 * amason_ sighs Jul 17 01:47:37 man Jul 17 01:47:41 gtfo lol Jul 17 01:47:53 if it was importat Jul 17 01:48:01 important* Jul 17 01:48:07 then tell it to GTFO OUT OF THE SPAM BOX Jul 17 01:48:14 damn Jul 17 01:48:17 f'ed that up lol Jul 17 01:48:36 also why would you not keep a backup Jul 17 01:48:38 * AakashPatel hasnt gotten 1 spam message yet Jul 17 01:48:51 i understand the google infrastructure is somewhat awesome, but still Jul 17 01:49:18 haha Jul 17 01:50:50 * spikebike wonders if xavier stores his important papers in the kindling box by the fireplace Jul 17 01:50:57 hahaha Jul 17 01:51:11 * AakashPatel stores his tax docs on a public computer Jul 17 01:51:24 me Jul 17 01:51:26 er Jul 17 01:51:29 screw it Jul 17 01:51:35 ruined the joke lol Jul 17 01:51:37 spikebike: That isn't true Jul 17 01:51:57 he meant the trash can Jul 17 01:51:59 lol Jul 17 01:52:22 romainguy_: their is absolutely no form for this, and the general form is limited to 255 characters Jul 17 01:52:50 I have also asked in the forums as well with no luck Jul 17 01:53:13 i wanna do something crazy Jul 17 01:53:17 now. Jul 17 01:53:30 * AakashPatel rm -rf /* on his server Jul 17 01:53:59 dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda works better Jul 17 01:54:26 wut Jul 17 01:54:30 whats sda Jul 17 01:54:43 heh, use whatever your disk is named Jul 17 01:54:58 oh does it write your disk with random shit Jul 17 01:55:03 ya Jul 17 01:55:06 :S Jul 17 01:55:12 i wanna do it now lol Jul 17 01:55:29 much like rm -rf /* but it will be more complete Jul 17 01:55:36 the '*' is redundant btw Jul 17 01:55:38 hi all Jul 17 01:55:46 is it possible to use more than one email account on the Android G1? Jul 17 01:55:47 AakashPatel is redundant Jul 17 01:55:56 what can i say? Jul 17 01:55:58 lol Jul 17 01:56:06 ;-) Jul 17 01:56:14 hah Jul 17 01:57:45 i needa do something crazy with my fone Jul 17 01:58:26 (and yes, i already ran rm -rf /* as root before Jul 17 01:58:37 ...on the phone) Jul 17 02:40:33 hello Jul 17 02:40:58 hi Jul 17 02:41:26 * zelrikriando just ate a bunch of homemade crepes Jul 17 02:41:56 mmmm Jul 17 02:41:58 crepes Jul 17 02:42:05 what kind Jul 17 02:43:40 AakashPatel: It's a secret recipe Jul 17 02:43:51 share Jul 17 02:43:53 now. Jul 17 02:43:55 or else. Jul 17 02:43:57 stabby stab Jul 17 02:44:19 it's passed from parents to kids from the last 300 years Jul 17 02:44:43 oh really? Jul 17 02:44:50 well im your son and you dont know it yet Jul 17 02:44:51 AakashPatel: if you wanna know the secret pm me Jul 17 02:44:58 I have no kids Jul 17 02:45:04 ...or do you Jul 17 02:45:08 ;) Jul 17 02:45:10 haha Jul 17 02:45:33 my brother has kids but he doesnt care about crepes Jul 17 02:45:37 betrayer Jul 17 02:45:37 ... Jul 17 02:46:11 lol Jul 17 02:50:35 howdy, has anyone successfully setup android-wifi-tether from Google on t-mobile? Jul 17 02:51:57 uhh Jul 17 02:51:59 its not from google Jul 17 02:53:20 my bad, just on google site Jul 17 02:53:32 at any rate, any luck installing? Jul 17 02:53:38 it works Jul 17 02:53:40 if you have root Jul 17 02:53:41 i use it Jul 17 02:53:45 quite nice Jul 17 02:54:44 get root thru telnet? Jul 17 02:54:53 my first phone hack... Jul 17 02:54:56 uhh Jul 17 02:55:06 android-dls.com/wiki Jul 17 02:55:11 thanks Jul 17 02:55:26 there are instructions on how to get root Jul 17 02:55:31 you have the dream right? Jul 17 02:58:46 lol i guess he'll find out on his own **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 17 02:59:56 2009