**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 17 02:59:57 2009 Jul 17 03:05:04 hey is anyone here? Jul 17 03:05:45 no Jul 17 03:05:48 we're on break Jul 17 03:05:57 break? Jul 17 03:06:02 :P Jul 17 03:06:05 yes, we're here Jul 17 03:06:08 ... Jul 17 03:06:16 lol Jul 17 03:06:16 oh lol xD Jul 17 03:06:33 lol what you need Jul 17 03:06:48 is it possible to make a full application with C/C++? Jul 17 03:07:01 uhh you will have to use some java for the UI Jul 17 03:07:03 on android* Jul 17 03:07:13 but yeah, the NDK was released a few weeks ago Jul 17 03:07:17 we have break time every day for 12 hours starting at 0:00 and again for 12 hours starting at 12:00 Jul 17 03:07:33 im on overtime Jul 17 03:07:44 that'll be $500 Jul 17 03:08:04 so I could make, say, a UI with Java, and program the application with C++, like the algorithms for a game? Jul 17 03:08:45 yeah Jul 17 03:08:58 cool..time to google it] Jul 17 03:09:11 program it all in basic Jul 17 03:09:45 Basic ftw! Jul 17 03:09:46 oh one more thing, how do I use the emulator? to do I run it first, and keep it running. or do I have to restart it everytime I want to test my application? Jul 17 03:09:48 hah Jul 17 03:09:53 anyone here running hero on magic? Jul 17 03:10:16 me Jul 17 03:10:19 AlexRamallo, you can push your app to it with adb whenever you want to Jul 17 03:10:36 ..adb? :P Jul 17 03:10:49 sorry i dont know much about android :( Jul 17 03:10:50 zelrikriando: u running 1.4? Jul 17 03:11:00 yes Jul 17 03:11:17 k4r1m: i have hero on a magic Jul 17 03:11:51 * zelrikriando ^5 jpa Jul 17 03:13:27 ^5 Jul 17 03:13:39 since i re-flashed it - it hasn't slowed down much either Jul 17 03:13:47 dunno wtf happened before... everything slowed down to a crawl Jul 17 03:14:09 well i think the reason 1.4 is slow is cuz of the *optimized* rosie they have on there Jul 17 03:14:23 cuz 1.0, 1.1, and 1.2 were faster for me Jul 17 03:14:25 literally id flick the screen and it'd respond like 8 seconds later Jul 17 03:14:30 anyway to get the other rosie back? Jul 17 03:14:42 no clue Jul 17 03:14:45 i only tried one hero rom Jul 17 03:14:48 jpa: wait ur saying the new one is faster? Jul 17 03:14:52 anyone have debian installed? i cant get apt-get to work but i can boot into deb Jul 17 03:15:05 no i re-flashed the same rom Jul 17 03:15:17 jpa: oh the 8 second thing is right now with 1.4? Jul 17 03:15:30 no it was like 2 days ago with 1.4.. before i re-flashed to 1.4 again Jul 17 03:15:38 i basically just did a data wipe and re-flashed Jul 17 03:15:39 thats it Jul 17 03:15:43 and since then its been fine Jul 17 03:15:48 even with re-installing apps and what not Jul 17 03:15:56 well still not fast enough for me Jul 17 03:15:56 widgets allover the place Jul 17 03:16:04 i only get like 3mb free ram Jul 17 03:16:15 thats when i just run widgets nothing else Jul 17 03:16:51 well i dunno Jul 17 03:16:51 i also disabled syncing and shit Jul 17 03:16:52 uhm Jul 17 03:16:58 7% brightness Jul 17 03:17:00 which syncing? Jul 17 03:17:07 all of them Jul 17 03:17:13 oh got mine on auto lol Jul 17 03:17:33 that should help atleast a bit Jul 17 03:17:37 i need it to be on auto cuz when i have it on manual i just lose the new contacts i add by forgeting to sync it Jul 17 03:17:52 does the auto brightness actually work? Jul 17 03:17:53 oh yeah.. all the widgets that came with the rom by default.. i deleted them all and re-add them with only 1 city Jul 17 03:17:54 that helps too Jul 17 03:17:59 hm does google have a notes thing Jul 17 03:18:01 so its not constantly trying to read like 8 cities for weather and time Jul 17 03:18:10 o.o Jul 17 03:18:11 they do Jul 17 03:18:16 google notebook Jul 17 03:18:18 k4r1m: i turned off auto-brightness aswell Jul 17 03:18:24 i set it myself Jul 17 03:18:29 jpa: aight ill try that setup Jul 17 03:18:53 good luck Jul 17 03:19:43 is there like a repository or ultra-list of all android roms" Jul 17 03:19:59 as well as mentions of which phones they'll work on? Jul 17 03:23:02 the market ;D Jul 17 03:23:16 roms Jul 17 03:23:19 not apps Jul 17 03:23:41 a sarcasm fail Jul 17 03:23:54 bummer Jul 17 03:24:01 :-/ Jul 17 03:24:18 so brilliant.. thanks for your input Jul 17 03:24:21 anyone have android working on an LG xenon/ vu/ incite/ spyder??? Jul 17 03:24:21 I would have to say no there is not Jul 17 03:24:32 lmfao Jul 17 03:24:35 LG Xenon Jul 17 03:24:36 wtf Jul 17 03:24:36 hehe Jul 17 03:24:39 that's not even a smartphone Jul 17 03:24:43 all the same crappy firmware Jul 17 03:24:44 that's like a toy phone Jul 17 03:24:48 *ahem* Jul 17 03:24:54 i have a VU Jul 17 03:25:01 slowestPOS in the world Jul 17 03:25:02 i want off Jul 17 03:25:05 lol Jul 17 03:25:14 bahaha Jul 17 03:25:17 anything by LG is completely LOL Jul 17 03:25:20 VU? Jul 17 03:25:23 "Life's Good" my ass Jul 17 03:25:24 ya Jul 17 03:25:30 VU but veiw Jul 17 03:25:36 I though incite was winmo Jul 17 03:25:43 ya Jul 17 03:25:45 it is Jul 17 03:25:50 same button layout tho Jul 17 03:25:51 lol Jul 17 03:25:52 that could be usable Jul 17 03:26:05 join #htc-linux if you care Jul 17 03:26:13 i hate win mo if theres not a hard keyboard Jul 17 03:26:17 "Life's Good because we overprice badly manufactured hardware and firmware, and call them top-market phones and get rich doing it.. haha enjoy your LG Xenon" Jul 17 03:26:17 the VU, etc. are amss only Jul 17 03:26:25 cause touchscreens and winmo = fail Jul 17 03:26:39 i have a vu jpa Jul 17 03:26:39 Samsung Omnia is a nice phone that sorta makes the best of winmo, but still BLAH Jul 17 03:26:41 lol Jul 17 03:26:45 i know.. that's why i ranted about it Jul 17 03:26:47 :) Jul 17 03:26:50 lolz Jul 17 03:27:01 to hell with resistive touch screens Jul 17 03:27:02 i broke my blackjack for the vu Jul 17 03:27:04 horrible technology Jul 17 03:27:07 biggest mistake EVER Jul 17 03:27:09 wtf why? Jul 17 03:27:12 did you ever research the phone? Jul 17 03:27:17 or just see a picture and be like "OOOHHHHHH" Jul 17 03:27:17 not really Jul 17 03:27:21 yes Jul 17 03:27:22 lol Jul 17 03:27:30 ohhh ahh oohhh Jul 17 03:27:31 then you deserve the misery you're in hahahaha Jul 17 03:27:31 Life's Good Jul 17 03:27:31 blackjack omap850 Jul 17 03:27:35 not bad Jul 17 03:27:37 the vus a pos Jul 17 03:27:41 wifi I think Jul 17 03:27:47 it takes a good minute to get into the mermory card Jul 17 03:27:54 and then its slow as hell going through it Jul 17 03:28:34 anyone here actually mod their phone to get andriod on it? Jul 17 03:28:48 you sure its not jus the card Jul 17 03:28:50 mod? Jul 17 03:28:58 positive Jul 17 03:29:03 uhm Jul 17 03:29:06 i think we all have android phones Jul 17 03:29:07 except you Jul 17 03:29:10 because you bought the LG VU Jul 17 03:29:10 LOL Jul 17 03:29:17 no lol Jul 17 03:29:23 everyone point and laugh at VivaLaVida Jul 17 03:29:24 :P Jul 17 03:29:34 if i could get rid of my vu and get back the blackjack i woulsd Jul 17 03:29:34 lol Jul 17 03:29:49 who bought the LG Vu Jul 17 03:29:50 bahaha Jul 17 03:29:50 please stop talking about phones Jul 17 03:29:55 VivaLaVida did Jul 17 03:29:57 o_o Jul 17 03:30:01 but he misses his BlackJack Jul 17 03:30:01 O_O Jul 17 03:30:02 hahaha Jul 17 03:30:07 yes lol Jul 17 03:30:09 its a good phone Jul 17 03:30:12 try it out sometime Jul 17 03:30:12 on purpose? Jul 17 03:30:23 i BROKE the phone on purpose Jul 17 03:30:28 cause my contract was up Jul 17 03:30:28 no Jul 17 03:30:31 i meant, did you buy the vu on purpose Jul 17 03:30:36 lol Jul 17 03:30:39 or was it like, fuck, i tripped and bought a Vu Jul 17 03:30:40 hah Jul 17 03:30:41 and my dad wouldnt let me get a new phone cause "yours works fine" Jul 17 03:30:45 o Jul 17 03:30:47 VivaLaVida: blackjack or Blackjack II ? Jul 17 03:30:49 it was cheap Jul 17 03:30:53 or Epix? Jul 17 03:30:54 and had touchscreen Jul 17 03:30:55 or Samsung Jack? Jul 17 03:31:04 it was liek 150 Jul 17 03:31:07 i didnt have the moeny b4 Jul 17 03:31:08 yeah Jul 17 03:31:08 i think he means the i607 Jul 17 03:31:10 G1's are $179 Jul 17 03:31:12 i had 50$ Jul 17 03:31:17 no wait Jul 17 03:31:19 they're $150 now Jul 17 03:31:19 and thats how much it costs Jul 17 03:31:24 i have att Jul 17 03:31:28 so do i... Jul 17 03:31:30 i should jsut buy one Jul 17 03:31:31 and unlock it Jul 17 03:31:36 VivaLaVida: do yourself a favour and don't buy phones anymore before looking into it to see what's good and what's bad Jul 17 03:31:37 cuz wtf Jul 17 03:31:38 i can probably name 10 phones off the top of my head that're better and cheaper than the Vu Jul 17 03:31:43 Blackjack vs LG Vu? Jul 17 03:31:53 dude Jul 17 03:31:55 Samsung D807 is better than the view Jul 17 03:31:57 hey, the BJ2 has amazing call quality and reception and... Jul 17 03:32:00 Craigslist a g1, I got one for my gf brand new for $200 about 3 months ago Jul 17 03:32:06 a wheel that turns clockwise and counter clockwise... Jul 17 03:32:10 and. Jul 17 03:32:12 um Jul 17 03:32:18 sort of a keyboard, i touch 4 keys with 1 finger Jul 17 03:32:23 blackjack had whell on the side Jul 17 03:32:26 i fine it better Jul 17 03:32:44 erase the blackjack from your memory Jul 17 03:32:49 is the g1 very thick? Jul 17 03:32:53 nah Jul 17 03:32:55 not really Jul 17 03:32:59 i might jsut blow all my money and get a hero Jul 17 03:33:04 yeah Jul 17 03:33:05 haha Jul 17 03:33:17 i found the g1 to be kinda fat Jul 17 03:33:17 too fat for my pocket Jul 17 03:33:21 I would never spend that kind of cash Jul 17 03:33:22 that's what she said Jul 17 03:33:22 so i returned it for the magic Jul 17 03:33:32 lol Jul 17 03:33:33 on a phone thats outdated in a month Jul 17 03:33:41 htc has insanely expensive stuff Jul 17 03:33:46 are thery good? Jul 17 03:33:48 no Jul 17 03:33:49 awful Jul 17 03:33:51 i hate HC Jul 17 03:33:53 HTC* Jul 17 03:33:58 THC = good, HTC = bad Jul 17 03:34:03 baahahaha Jul 17 03:34:04 they make a mockery of the best 3 letters in the alphabet Jul 17 03:34:08 sorry.. delayed reaction to The Office reference Jul 17 03:34:16 Ive had an htc since the apache Jul 17 03:34:28 lol Jul 17 03:34:29 my htc magic is my first smartphone Jul 17 03:34:31 i was oldschool Jul 17 03:34:38 had a samsung d800 since like 2003 Jul 17 03:34:46 rad phone w00t lol Jul 17 03:34:50 lg, sony, htc, and samsung fail at phones? Jul 17 03:35:02 smartphones Jul 17 03:35:04 yes Jul 17 03:35:06 samsung makes good products Jul 17 03:35:09 HTC and Samsungs are good Jul 17 03:35:10 jpa, i7500 ftw Jul 17 03:35:12 oh yea Jul 17 03:35:15 although I do like my HTC magic Jul 17 03:35:16 a jukes awesome.. Jul 17 03:35:19 yeah the i7500 looks effing sick Jul 17 03:35:19 lol Jul 17 03:35:22 SE phones are alsy good Jul 17 03:35:31 waayy better design than the HTC's Jul 17 03:35:33 no stupid "chin" Jul 17 03:35:38 LOL Jul 17 03:35:38 wtf is with that gimmicky thing? Jul 17 03:35:39 haha Jul 17 03:35:40 its for the ball Jul 17 03:35:44 it's all the craze in korea! Jul 17 03:35:57 i haz a ball Jul 17 03:36:01 but i dont get a chin! Jul 17 03:36:04 i haz 2 Jul 17 03:36:05 lawl Jul 17 03:36:09 blackberries have trackballs Jul 17 03:36:10 chin protects the trackball Jul 17 03:36:11 no chins Jul 17 03:36:20 i don't like balls on my chin Jul 17 03:36:23 they also lose em easily Jul 17 03:36:24 thx Jul 17 03:36:24 LOL Jul 17 03:36:26 hahahahahaha Jul 17 03:36:42 the trackball pops out of the blackberrys Jul 17 03:36:58 ....no it doesnt Jul 17 03:37:04 thats like all my company uses, happens alot Jul 17 03:37:06 probably does on the ONE he used Jul 17 03:37:18 curves Jul 17 03:37:30 i want a phoen that can play counter strike Jul 17 03:37:30 of course, when companies sanction out blackberries to employees, don't they sanction like the shittiest kind? Jul 17 03:37:42 VivaLaVida: buy a time machine first Jul 17 03:37:44 so you can get to 2020 faster Jul 17 03:37:47 you could get a worse bb than curve Jul 17 03:37:55 pearl flip ftmfw Jul 17 03:38:04 looks terrible Jul 17 03:38:08 feels terrible Jul 17 03:38:11 i raeally dont like bbs Jul 17 03:38:15 other than that.. it's a standard pearl Jul 17 03:38:15 lol Jul 17 03:38:22 even the storm loosk kindaa...dumb Jul 17 03:38:37 Storm is the best out of the bunch imo Jul 17 03:38:55 see the new blackberry? Jul 17 03:38:56 touch screen is weird on those, whole thing clicks in Jul 17 03:39:00 BB Tour Jul 17 03:39:00 i think Jul 17 03:39:10 storm 2 is coming as well Jul 17 03:39:10 VivaLaVida: think about it this way, the G1 uses the same OS on a faster cpu for basic functions that the VU uses for it's entire ui Jul 17 03:39:29 hahaha Jul 17 03:39:36 comparing the LG vu to G1? Jul 17 03:39:36 wtf Jul 17 03:39:37 stop it Jul 17 03:39:40 that's blasphemy Jul 17 03:39:49 :x Jul 17 03:39:58 compare an Iphone to a Samsung Jack Jul 17 03:40:10 iphone ftw Jul 17 03:40:32 if i had 30$ a month to kill id get an iphone Jul 17 03:40:44 wtf Jul 17 03:40:48 ...o.o Jul 17 03:40:49 so you'd only get a data plan for an iphone? Jul 17 03:40:57 i have txting now Jul 17 03:41:00 and a family plan Jul 17 03:41:12 VivaLaVida: so you're like 15 theN ? Jul 17 03:41:13 thats all i gotta spend Jul 17 03:41:18 17 Jul 17 03:41:48 get a job and get your own damn cell plan hahaha Jul 17 03:41:50 get a job. while its all disposable income Jul 17 03:41:56 but i make 16$ an hour at a grocery store LOL Jul 17 03:42:10 i got a concert to pay for Jul 17 03:42:18 that's a lot for grocery clerk Jul 17 03:42:26 i have 700$ right this second Jul 17 03:42:32 ya Jul 17 03:42:37 ballin Jul 17 03:42:37 i jsut started a few weeks ago too Jul 17 03:42:40 im a cashier Jul 17 03:42:42 haha super rich man Jul 17 03:42:42 at stop n shop Jul 17 03:42:45 if uve heard of it Jul 17 03:42:50 upper east usa Jul 17 03:42:52 i saw a pimp at white castle Jul 17 03:42:55 ..... Jul 17 03:43:02 Dude you live at home and have virtually no expenses Jul 17 03:43:03 yeah, but I thought that was a gas station Jul 17 03:43:07 alligator skin shoes, full length fur coat and a big hat Jul 17 03:43:20 tha gators Jul 17 03:43:30 haha ballin Jul 17 03:43:30 boots with the fuuurrrr Jul 17 03:43:34 TommyBres: had an iPhone? Jul 17 03:43:35 no Jul 17 03:43:35 im going to see u2 and muse Jul 17 03:43:35 * GenericNode slaps self Jul 17 03:43:44 kruton i didnt see his phone Jul 17 03:43:44 nice Jul 17 03:43:46 muse is amazing Jul 17 03:43:48 im taking someone i like (hopefully she says yes..) Jul 17 03:43:53 he was ballin though, so he must've had a pre ;) Jul 17 03:43:58 LOOOOOOOL Jul 17 03:44:07 i hate palms with a passion Jul 17 03:44:12 well Jul 17 03:44:13 awesome Jul 17 03:44:17 yeah, and fuck knuckles, too Jul 17 03:44:18 did he look like a gay pimp? Jul 17 03:44:19 you have an LG Vu, your opinion no longer counts Jul 17 03:44:27 because that's jesus-phone for sure. Jul 17 03:44:32 My palms hairy Jul 17 03:44:33 o.o Jul 17 03:44:48 tmi Jul 17 03:44:53 TommyBres, anyone who has LG anything doesn't count for jack Jul 17 03:44:56 haha Jul 17 03:45:00 funny you say that Jul 17 03:45:02 lol.. Jul 17 03:45:04 his last phone was a blackjack Jul 17 03:45:09 hahaha Jul 17 03:45:19 thats the only lg thing i have i think Jul 17 03:45:19 That was broken on purpose Jul 17 03:45:25 and its the last Jul 17 03:45:28 I've never once used an LG phone that wasn't a complete piece of crippled verizon crap Jul 17 03:45:34 i didn't know it was possible to DOWNGRADE from a non-touchscreen winmo device... he found a way Jul 17 03:45:38 plus he's 17, lives at home and makes $15 an hour at stop n shop.. but would only get a data plan if he got an iphone Jul 17 03:45:41 k so lemme get this right Jul 17 03:45:43 why break a phone on purpose? if its for insurance just say its lost Jul 17 03:45:45 I have an LG washer and dryer, I think Jul 17 03:45:55 kRutOn, that's different Jul 17 03:46:00 you have an LG Vu.. you HAD a samsung blackjack... you would only pay for data if you got an iphone...... wtf are you in #android ? Jul 17 03:46:08 i broke a phone cause contract was up Jul 17 03:46:09 HE'S LOST Jul 17 03:46:13 DIRECT HIM TO #DEFOCUS Jul 17 03:46:14 so new phone was available Jul 17 03:46:15 media`: no his dad. Jul 17 03:46:26 media`: his dad wouldn't let him get a new phone cuz his phone "works fine" Jul 17 03:46:27 so he broke it Jul 17 03:46:27 lol @ TommyBres Jul 17 03:46:32 lol yes, HIS DAD told him if his phone was working he couldn't get a new one Jul 17 03:46:34 so he broke his phone Jul 17 03:46:35 now it doesnt Jul 17 03:46:36 lol Jul 17 03:46:39 * media` 's head explodes Jul 17 03:46:43 LG used to be in the office space where my office is now and sometimes they ship prototype phones to us Jul 17 03:46:43 i know Jul 17 03:46:44 grow up and buy your own phone Jul 17 03:46:46 i shoved a knife in the charging slot Jul 17 03:46:47 he's from "upper east usa" Jul 17 03:46:56 rofl Jul 17 03:46:58 baha Jul 17 03:47:00 he knifed his phone Jul 17 03:47:02 wont turn on or anything Jul 17 03:47:03 so the schools are like super awesome in the upper east eh Jul 17 03:47:03 ? Jul 17 03:47:07 VivaLaVida, I hope your dad takes you out back and beats you with a rubber hose Jul 17 03:47:11 i graduated Jul 17 03:47:15 upper east = northeast? Jul 17 03:47:21 ya Jul 17 03:47:23 or is it like, upper east of bunghole, nevada Jul 17 03:47:23 lolz Jul 17 03:47:27 dont say jersey Jul 17 03:47:31 nope Jul 17 03:47:31 ct Jul 17 03:47:31 JOIZY Jul 17 03:47:35 haha of course Jul 17 03:47:36 jersery SUX Jul 17 03:47:42 connecticut is that pointless strip of land between mass and NY Jul 17 03:47:45 dirty jers ftl Jul 17 03:47:46 ...i'm going there tomorrow Jul 17 03:48:06 where in jersey, viva Jul 17 03:48:08 err Jul 17 03:48:10 some dudes here from UK Jul 17 03:48:10 where in connecticut Jul 17 03:48:16 cause he said "favourite" Jul 17 03:48:18 or something Jul 17 03:48:21 favorite Jul 17 03:48:26 no u Jul 17 03:48:27 TommyBres: collecting you Ph.D. diploma from Yale tomorrow? Jul 17 03:48:29 * media` 's head explodes Jul 17 03:48:34 AGAIN Jul 17 03:48:36 lol Jul 17 03:48:48 ....there are people in here from different countries, yes Jul 17 03:48:54 welcome to the internet Jul 17 03:48:54 fairfield county Jul 17 03:48:55 whoa whoa whoa Jul 17 03:48:58 it's available in more places than the US Jul 17 03:49:09 they have the internet on computers now? Jul 17 03:49:09 * jpa is Canada-adian Jul 17 03:49:19 canuckian Jul 17 03:49:21 donchaknow Jul 17 03:49:26 good ol' canadaland Jul 17 03:49:29 lol Jul 17 03:49:31 Al Gire invented the Internet for US Americans!!1 Jul 17 03:49:32 eh? Jul 17 03:49:37 viva you know where lakeville, ct is? Jul 17 03:49:42 Los Angeles here Jul 17 03:49:47 nope Jul 17 03:49:47 kRutOn, USA #1! USA #1! USA #1! Jul 17 03:49:53 good, stay away from there tomorrow Jul 17 03:49:59 lol Jul 17 03:50:06 im heading up to preston Jul 17 03:50:10 good Jul 17 03:50:10 tomarrow Jul 17 03:50:12 KNY: Korea #1 Starcraft players! Jul 17 03:50:13 * jpa lols @ usa Jul 17 03:50:20 with people like you on the road i may be in danger, just go north Jul 17 03:50:21 up by uncassville Jul 17 03:50:24 mohegan sun Jul 17 03:50:33 too much info, wasnt that interested Jul 17 03:50:39 hhahaha Jul 17 03:50:41 inside every canadian theres an american waiting to get out Jul 17 03:50:46 hahaha Jul 17 03:50:48 which intersection Jul 17 03:50:49 eff that Jul 17 03:50:52 lol Jul 17 03:50:59 canada is a mini-USA Jul 17 03:51:08 TommyBres: He'll give you employee discount at stop'n'shop Jul 17 03:51:12 :O Jul 17 03:51:13 nnot really Jul 17 03:51:17 its 5% Jul 17 03:51:18 well yeah kinda Jul 17 03:51:19 lol Jul 17 03:51:20 shit Jul 17 03:51:20 but still not really Jul 17 03:51:20 we actually need to buy a ton of stuff, we're going camping Jul 17 03:51:31 where Jul 17 03:51:34 campin where Jul 17 03:51:35 ....lakeville Jul 17 03:51:39 oo Jul 17 03:51:40 lime rock racetrack Jul 17 03:51:41 good Jul 17 03:51:42 ftw Jul 17 03:51:43 is that near Campville? Jul 17 03:51:46 im going to preston Jul 17 03:51:47 to camp Jul 17 03:51:48 lol Jul 17 03:51:48 TommyBres: just let him ogle you G1 while you grab the provisions Jul 17 03:51:50 lemme get 5% off those chili cheese fritos on the sly y0 Jul 17 03:51:51 it's near Retard City, apparently Jul 17 03:52:08 kruton my adp will force close like 15 times in the 5 minutes he's holding it Jul 17 03:52:21 tomm Jul 17 03:52:26 krutonn Jul 17 03:52:30 TommyBres: You broke it! Jul 17 03:52:36 just flash a new image and be done with it Jul 17 03:52:37 dude it's been broken since the day i got it Jul 17 03:52:41 NEVAR Jul 17 03:52:45 hahah what???? Jul 17 03:52:49 i might wipe and restore today... i'm kinda bleh about it Jul 17 03:52:50 what happened? Jul 17 03:53:01 basically, my phone hates me because i'm not catholic anymore Jul 17 03:53:04 TommyBres, well you got 8 minutes to do it Jul 17 03:53:07 get working Jul 17 03:53:09 7 Jul 17 03:53:11 lol ok Jul 17 03:53:11 eff that Jul 17 03:53:17 Tommy must have jammed a knife in the charging slot Jul 17 03:53:21 it's testing your new find brains Jul 17 03:53:25 hahaha Jul 17 03:53:47 lol Jul 17 03:53:53 blart Jul 17 03:53:54 that's really not the sentence to use the wrong word in :) Jul 17 03:53:54 im still downlaodign the android sdk Jul 17 03:53:59 for like 2 hours now Jul 17 03:54:10 why are you doing that? Jul 17 03:54:12 don't you have an LG Vu ? Jul 17 03:54:16 ya Jul 17 03:54:21 lol Jul 17 03:54:23 hahahhaha Jul 17 03:54:25 how fast is it downloading? Jul 17 03:54:25 ................... Jul 17 03:54:28 2 hour download? Jul 17 03:54:28 im gonna *attempt* to get android on it Jul 17 03:54:33 lmfao Jul 17 03:54:35 dude the palm SDK is twice the size and it took me like 3 minutes Jul 17 03:54:35 idk google cherome sux Jul 17 03:54:36 it takes like 2 mins Jul 17 03:54:38 haha Jul 17 03:54:42 i used chrome too Jul 17 03:54:42 He's going to win ADC2 so he can buy an Android phone Jul 17 03:54:45 nice try though, blame the OS next time Jul 17 03:54:56 haha Jul 17 03:55:04 23kb/s Jul 17 03:55:05 I should win adc2 Jul 17 03:55:08 ....... Jul 17 03:55:14 i got utorrent Jul 17 03:55:16 are you downloading through your edge connection on the Vu? Jul 17 03:55:16 and steam Jul 17 03:55:17 actually, fuck that. Google should just cut me a check for a quarter-million smackers Jul 17 03:55:17 obviously VivaLaVida has no clue what he's doing Jul 17 03:55:18 haha Jul 17 03:55:18 dial-up? Jul 17 03:55:18 and this running too Jul 17 03:55:23 you know the sdk doesnt go ON the phone right Jul 17 03:55:27 especially one without android? Jul 17 03:55:27 hahahahaha Jul 17 03:55:33 no my speeds liek 500kb/s Jul 17 03:55:37 lies Jul 17 03:55:41 it would take like 8 mins Jul 17 03:55:46 some1 might be on a laptop in my house tho Jul 17 03:55:49 23, 500, give or take Jul 17 03:55:50 same thing Jul 17 03:55:51 let him do it Jul 17 03:55:53 haha Jul 17 03:55:55 let him put Android on his LG Vu Jul 17 03:56:01 haha Jul 17 03:56:02 hahah Jul 17 03:56:05 TommyBres: huge error bars Jul 17 03:56:09 well i got a few days to kill Jul 17 03:56:14 lol Jul 17 03:56:15 uhh Jul 17 03:56:18 a few months Jul 17 03:56:19 i dont have my data cable yet Jul 17 03:56:19 you're definitely gonna kill them Jul 17 03:56:24 lol Jul 17 03:56:24 VivaLaVida, you should be able to do it in a hour, with an intellect like yours Jul 17 03:56:25 lol Jul 17 03:56:28 hahahaha Jul 17 03:56:30 @ no data cable Jul 17 03:56:30 KNY: lmao Jul 17 03:56:32 this kid's killin me Jul 17 03:56:36 VivaLaVida: SDK won't help with porting, by the way Jul 17 03:56:38 TommyBres: oh man Jul 17 03:56:41 it doesnt freakin come with it Jul 17 03:56:42 gay Jul 17 03:56:43 this was my laugh for the day Jul 17 03:56:56 VivaLaVida: just cancel your download homie Jul 17 03:56:58 wasting your time lol Jul 17 03:57:06 FINE Jul 17 03:57:12 he could figure out the emulator Jul 17 03:57:15 no! Jul 17 03:57:16 hahaha yeah right Jul 17 03:57:17 pending on whether or not he can use a mouse Jul 17 03:57:18 let him do it Jul 17 03:57:19 have you met this kid? Jul 17 03:57:21 i wanna see him kry Jul 17 03:57:23 TommyBres: i really doubt it Jul 17 03:57:23 cry* Jul 17 03:57:33 im actually qutie smart Jul 17 03:57:34 lol Jul 17 03:57:36 VivaLaVida: you need to download the entire android repo.. Jul 17 03:57:38 haha rly? Jul 17 03:57:43 yarly Jul 17 03:57:49 nowai Jul 17 03:57:55 wai Jul 17 03:57:59 im jsut not a coder Jul 17 03:58:00 [citation needed] Jul 17 03:58:01 fail Jul 17 03:58:02 yeah Jul 17 03:58:04 but i gots pple for that Jul 17 03:58:05 man only 2-3 GB's Jul 17 03:58:06 supposed to say yawai Jul 17 03:58:06 you jammed a knife into your samsung jack.. so your dad would let you buy an LG Vu Jul 17 03:58:06 that just wreaks sophistication Jul 17 03:58:14 dude im not a coder Jul 17 03:58:15 not just *ANYONE* can work at stop-n-shop, guys Jul 17 03:58:16 and i know you're a douche Jul 17 03:58:20 or wherever the fuck he works Jul 17 03:58:21 lol Jul 17 03:58:21 of course Jul 17 03:58:21 blackjack Jul 17 03:58:22 VivaLaVida: should be nothin on your net connection Jul 17 03:58:24 i went to Astro Jul 17 03:58:24 old phone Jul 17 03:58:28 to delete the nandroid folder Jul 17 03:58:29 to make a new one Jul 17 03:58:30 what? a month or two? Jul 17 03:58:32 ....astro freezes Jul 17 03:58:47 FUCKING AWESOME PHONE Jul 17 03:58:49 VivaLaVida: Google for android repo init Jul 17 03:58:55 gahafsdklg Jul 17 03:58:59 source.android.com Jul 17 03:59:01 :P Jul 17 03:59:12 VivaLaVida: google for ID Ten T Error Code Jul 17 03:59:39 rofl Jul 17 03:59:51 VivaLaVida is a different kind of smart, guys Jul 17 03:59:54 just not a coder Jul 17 03:59:56 yeah Jul 17 03:59:57 oh yeah Jul 17 03:59:58 the ID Ten T kind Jul 17 03:59:59 sorry mate Jul 17 04:00:07 rofl Jul 17 04:00:31 AakashPatel's rofl: came after like 1 minute, when he googled and found out what it meant Jul 17 04:00:38 VivaLaVida's rofl: comes like 5 mins later? Jul 17 04:00:39 yeah haha Jul 17 04:00:48 i was peeing :_ Jul 17 04:00:50 :) Jul 17 04:00:53 .......thanks Jul 17 04:00:59 yw Jul 17 04:01:08 ... Jul 17 04:01:15 i'm about to bury my phone in the sand out of spite Jul 17 04:01:16 on the Vu? Jul 17 04:01:16 ...? Jul 17 04:01:26 yes Jul 17 04:01:27 * jpa sings "love me, hate me, say what you want about me. But all of the boys and all of the girls are begging to if you seek amy" Jul 17 04:01:28 TommyBres: dude if you get rid of it ill buy it for 20 bucks haha Jul 17 04:01:29 i was peeing Jul 17 04:01:29 hahah Jul 17 04:01:30 on the vu Jul 17 04:01:42 rofl Jul 17 04:01:45 AakashPatel: it has all the battle scars to show how much i love it Jul 17 04:01:48 i can sell it on ebay Jul 17 04:01:51 TommyBres: i dont care Jul 17 04:01:51 unlcoked prolly Jul 17 04:01:55 20 bucks is worth it hahaha Jul 17 04:01:59 VivaLaVida: hahaha no you cant Jul 17 04:02:00 loll Jul 17 04:02:13 the LG Vu is like... renound for being a piece of shit phone Jul 17 04:02:13 when did you buy it? Jul 17 04:02:15 like, how long ago ? Jul 17 04:02:23 a couple moths Jul 17 04:02:25 month Jul 17 04:02:28 bah Jul 17 04:02:34 was going to say return it within the 30 day guarantee Jul 17 04:02:35 but BAH Jul 17 04:02:45 how is it that you didn't decide you hate that phone within 2 days ? Jul 17 04:02:46 it does stuff, but liek accessing the memory card is slow ass hell Jul 17 04:02:55 man it is so hot outside Jul 17 04:02:55 you're vision-impaired, right? Jul 17 04:03:00 and inside Jul 17 04:03:01 cause i got txtign a week ago Jul 17 04:03:08 keyboard is crap Jul 17 04:03:14 the mem card i could deal with a lil Jul 17 04:03:20 but a pos keyboard Jul 17 04:03:21 BLAH Jul 17 04:03:26 =0 Jul 17 04:03:42 SICK DUDE Jul 17 04:03:51 youmail sent me a voicemail to remind me there's a new version of youmail on android market Jul 17 04:04:43 sweet lol Jul 17 04:04:44 hahaha Jul 17 04:04:47 i still want your phone ahah Jul 17 04:04:48 speaking of voicemail Jul 17 04:04:53 ? Jul 17 04:04:56 anyone test out the visual voicemail shit for android? Jul 17 04:05:06 youmail = visual voicemail for android Jul 17 04:05:08 it pwns Jul 17 04:05:23 is it as good as visual voicemail on iphone? Jul 17 04:05:26 like you just click on the msg and it plays? Jul 17 04:05:32 i dont use that smelly piece of poo Jul 17 04:05:36 but it's pretty solid Jul 17 04:05:49 i've used youmail for a loooong time now, it's a whole voicemail service, not just an app Jul 17 04:06:06 free? Jul 17 04:06:07 google voice = win Jul 17 04:06:08 lol i thought i was on vista Jul 17 04:06:13 for liek an hour Jul 17 04:06:18 yup free Jul 17 04:06:23 VivaLaVida: just stop Jul 17 04:06:24 you're killing me Jul 17 04:06:28 KNY: isnt it in US only for now? Jul 17 04:06:31 but i was really Jul 17 04:06:33 on windows 7 Jul 17 04:06:34 =D Jul 17 04:06:37 zelrikriando, canada is grandfathered in Jul 17 04:06:38 yes'= Jul 17 04:06:55 oh Jul 17 04:07:04 zelrikriando: test it out :) Jul 17 04:07:07 yeah so if you dont have it, and you're not in the US... Jul 17 04:07:10 you aint gettin it :P Jul 17 04:07:12 my sim card is in the iphone again :( Jul 17 04:07:21 lol Jul 17 04:07:21 magic is in airplane mode Jul 17 04:07:28 lol Jul 17 04:07:32 jpa: yeh my magic does that too Jul 17 04:07:33 if only the god damn tethering would work for both PC and mac Jul 17 04:07:53 jpa: what do I have to pay for google voice Jul 17 04:07:58 nothing Jul 17 04:08:02 oh Jul 17 04:08:07 zelrikriando: oh i have no idea.. i thought you were talking about youmail :( Jul 17 04:08:10 unless you do international calling Jul 17 04:08:12 visual voicemail Jul 17 04:08:14 zelrikriando: just your soul for an invite Jul 17 04:08:14 and then it's pennies per minute Jul 17 04:08:24 Leeds, a friend of mine just got one Jul 17 04:08:26 what *IS* google voice? :S Jul 17 04:08:32 google.com/voice Jul 17 04:08:34 a call forwarding service Jul 17 04:08:34 :o Jul 17 04:08:41 not in Canada yet Jul 17 04:08:43 I think Jul 17 04:08:43 gives you your own phone #, can forward to many #'s Jul 17 04:08:45 google is the shit Jul 17 04:08:45 TommyBres, it's a bit more than that Jul 17 04:08:49 zelrikriando, I already answered that Jul 17 04:08:49 and includes voicemail Jul 17 04:08:52 I'M GETTING TO IT KNY Jul 17 04:08:53 oh Jul 17 04:08:53 see, I'm thinking google voice+google talk (audio stuff) should really be google VoIP Jul 17 04:08:58 fuck you microsoft Jul 17 04:09:01 and your bing Jul 17 04:09:03 KNY: I am gonna try it out soonish Jul 17 04:09:07 Leeds, it's not VoIP Jul 17 04:09:08 im getting scared by google Jul 17 04:09:11 google is turning into Big Brother Jul 17 04:09:16 KNY: google talk is though Jul 17 04:09:22 lol Jul 17 04:09:23 google talk rules Jul 17 04:09:26 i want voip lol Jul 17 04:09:30 then i would use gv XD Jul 17 04:09:33 my brother hopped on the bing train Jul 17 04:09:34 right now i just use my main nubmer Jul 17 04:09:39 with such an innocent sounding name like "google" everyone would trust them... perfect company to use as big brother Jul 17 04:09:43 TommyBres: tell him to gtfo Jul 17 04:09:44 so if there was google talk audio support on Android... and you could hook that into google voice... Jul 17 04:09:44 jpa, good thing no one forces you to use it, right? Jul 17 04:09:52 haha yup Jul 17 04:09:53 innocent name as google? Jul 17 04:10:04 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Jul 17 04:10:07 that's one googol Jul 17 04:10:08 incidentally, sipdroid does actually work Jul 17 04:10:19 THAT'S NOT INNOCENT, IT'S ENORMOUS AND CONDESCENDING Jul 17 04:10:24 im out guise Jul 17 04:10:27 later Jul 17 04:10:28 (gewgls isnt innocent) Jul 17 04:10:29 TommyBres, that's what SHE said Jul 17 04:10:30 :P Jul 17 04:10:35 Google hahaha Jul 17 04:10:36 AHAHAH Jul 17 04:10:36 yeah she did Jul 17 04:10:44 erm caps Jul 17 04:11:02 OMG Jul 17 04:11:03 AAKASHPATEL Jul 17 04:11:11 the cyan recovery thing Jul 17 04:11:14 has a confirmation to wipe! Jul 17 04:11:20 * TommyBres celebrates Jul 17 04:11:49 you use /me too much Jul 17 04:11:54 KNY this uhh, cyan recovery thing, is awesome Jul 17 04:11:54 * VivaLaVida rawr Jul 17 04:12:04 someone ban him Jul 17 04:12:11 i just backed up, wiped, and i'm restoring the backup... without ever rebooting Jul 17 04:12:12 never!!!!!!!11 Jul 17 04:12:21 TommyBres, it's an app? Jul 17 04:12:31 no, you flash recovery.img Jul 17 04:12:39 it's just a new recovery partition, you boot to it with home+power Jul 17 04:12:44 TommyBres, ah Jul 17 04:12:49 like JF's recovery, but includes NANDROID RESTORE Jul 17 04:12:55 no need for fastboot Jul 17 04:13:00 <3 nandroid restore Jul 17 04:13:10 first test, let's see how it goes Jul 17 04:13:14 haha now i feel bad Jul 17 04:13:20 made vivalavida leave Jul 17 04:13:24 good Jul 17 04:13:26 ahh well its his bedtime Jul 17 04:13:27 dude sucked Jul 17 04:13:30 he quit? Jul 17 04:13:35 * VivaLaVida (n=dfs@adsl-99-11-4-243.dsl.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net) has left #android Jul 17 04:13:39 stupid chatzilla doesnt tell me about quits Jul 17 04:13:42 only joins Jul 17 04:13:46 * TommyBres edits preferences Jul 17 04:13:50 Aakash also left Jul 17 04:13:51 haha Jul 17 04:13:56 [00:11] * VivaLaVida rawr Jul 17 04:13:57 [00:11] someone ban him Jul 17 04:14:00 [00:11] never!!!!!!!11 Jul 17 04:14:05 [00:12] * VivaLaVida (n=dfs@adsl-99-11-4-243.dsl.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net) has left #android Jul 17 04:14:14 that's like "you can't fire me! I QUIT!" Jul 17 04:14:31 jpa: how do u remove the cities? Jul 17 04:14:41 for weather? Jul 17 04:14:47 yes Jul 17 04:14:50 .... sec Jul 17 04:14:53 let me turn my phone on Jul 17 04:15:15 well, it boots... Jul 17 04:15:25 but i can already see the tinted portion in the background from a force close hahaha Jul 17 04:15:33 well the deleted it `em for the weather app list Jul 17 04:15:36 not even past the unlock screen Jul 17 04:15:40 but they seem to be some how still in the system Jul 17 04:17:01 okay, you guys wanna know why i hate HTC? Jul 17 04:17:02 TommyBres, that's usually an ANR for me Jul 17 04:17:06 i'm calling my cell phone with my house phone Jul 17 04:17:11 TommyBres: no jack Jul 17 04:17:14 cell phone right in front of me Jul 17 04:17:17 2 bars of edge Jul 17 04:17:20 IT RINGS 3 times Jul 17 04:17:22 then goes Jul 17 04:17:24 to voicemail Jul 17 04:17:28 ..........but the phone never rang Jul 17 04:17:33 haha Jul 17 04:17:39 you can tell how many bars of data you have? Jul 17 04:17:44 i thought it only showed bars for voice Jul 17 04:17:49 i heard the rings on the house phone, the fucking dream sat here beating off without so much as showing a call on the screen Jul 17 04:17:54 k4r1m: tap the weather widget to get into it's settings... from there you can swipe between cities and stuff... when you're on a city you want to delete.. press the menu key, and then delete Jul 17 04:17:55 and then "ok" Jul 17 04:17:56 zinx it shows signal strength Jul 17 04:17:57 and it'll be deleted Jul 17 04:18:20 it's worse when you go to answer the ringing phone and you get an ANR or "foreclosure" (to quote the morons in the Market) Jul 17 04:18:22 TommyBres: do you have AT&T? Jul 17 04:18:22 and then kill me for misuse of "it's" Jul 17 04:18:25 i meant "its" Jul 17 04:18:30 yup Jul 17 04:18:34 and okay, second call Jul 17 04:18:37 TommyBres: maybe they're busy setting up the wiretap Jul 17 04:18:41 the screen goes totally black Jul 17 04:18:54 haha Jul 17 04:18:57 it didnt show who was calling, just vibrated (it's on loud) and went black Jul 17 04:19:01 you must've fux0red it hard TommyBres Jul 17 04:19:07 calls and everything for me are fine Jul 17 04:19:08 ha, that's what my girl's for Jul 17 04:19:18 i haven't even had the dreaded timestamp issue Jul 17 04:19:27 well you also cant put copilot GPS on your phone because you dont have enough space :P Jul 17 04:19:38 to fix one problem you find 10 more Jul 17 04:19:48 it's only 2009.. we won't have toys like in star trek until atleast 2020 Jul 17 04:19:53 just wait until smartphones of 2020 Jul 17 04:19:53 hahahah Jul 17 04:19:58 lol Jul 17 04:19:59 they're probably be able to cook us dinner Jul 17 04:20:07 brew coffee? Jul 17 04:20:09 *they'll Jul 17 04:20:14 oh def Jul 17 04:20:16 that's by 2015 Jul 17 04:20:16 KNY: still unknown on the caller ID, wipe/restore didnt help :( Jul 17 04:20:17 come on now Jul 17 04:20:18 http://www.pomegranatephone.com/ Jul 17 04:20:27 * zinx lulz at the time spent on that Jul 17 04:20:33 uhmm Jul 17 04:20:41 mmmm Jul 17 04:20:43 pomegranates <3 Jul 17 04:20:54 stupidest fruit EVER Jul 17 04:20:56 TommyBres, no idea Jul 17 04:21:02 tastes so good Jul 17 04:21:06 jpa: well, Apple is trademarked. Jul 17 04:21:20 "here.. spend $3 on this delicious looking thing.. cut it open to see nothing but core and a bunch of stupid seeds you SUCK the goo of of, and spit the seed.. ingesting only about 15% of the item you just bought Jul 17 04:21:22 zinx, I would bet that Orange is too (Orange wireless) Jul 17 04:21:34 jpa, what kind of a pussy spits the seeds? Jul 17 04:21:47 learn how to eat a pomegranate like a man Jul 17 04:21:50 uhhhh Jul 17 04:21:55 I love pomegratnates :) Jul 17 04:21:57 ALL you eat from the pomegranate is the seeds Jul 17 04:22:01 pomegranates too Jul 17 04:22:21 JesusFreke: add nandroid restore to your recovery :P Jul 17 04:22:21 i bet you all want a pomegranate phone Jul 17 04:22:30 wasn't that a joke? Jul 17 04:22:31 zinx: I do. Jul 17 04:22:33 * savid just got a google voice invite :-) Jul 17 04:22:42 savid i got one today too, so weird Jul 17 04:22:46 savid, congrats Jul 17 04:22:51 zinx: I need a phone that can make coffee. Jul 17 04:22:52 savid: they seem to be flying out now Jul 17 04:22:53 who's giving out GV invites Jul 17 04:23:06 JesusFreke: i kinda like the projector feature Jul 17 04:23:07 omg i hope taht phone is an effing joke Jul 17 04:23:08 sup Jul 17 04:23:11 it better be Jul 17 04:23:12 Oh well, now I don't feel quite as special. Thanks. Jul 17 04:23:13 i think i have gv invites Jul 17 04:23:18 ;) Jul 17 04:23:30 jpa did you see the god damn PROJECTOR? Jul 17 04:23:36 I HOPE IT'S NOT A JOKE, i want a 72" projector Jul 17 04:23:41 hahhaha Jul 17 04:23:54 buuuuut Jul 17 04:23:56 lol Jul 17 04:23:57 i really think it is lol Jul 17 04:24:22 full HD resolution... not from 8 feet away lol Jul 17 04:24:22 someday Jul 17 04:24:49 yeah its def BS, but i wants it :( Jul 17 04:26:07 coffee brewer, mmmm Jul 17 04:26:43 not to mention shaver Jul 17 04:27:03 * JesusFreke shaves his head with his phone Jul 17 04:27:14 there are actually electric razor smartphones... Jul 17 04:27:16 in china Jul 17 04:27:24 nice Jul 17 04:27:30 hey, isn't there a Android app for that Jul 17 04:27:34 yeah Jul 17 04:27:40 there's an app for that! :P Jul 17 04:28:28 omg i want the pomegranate Jul 17 04:28:34 this is a lot of effort for a spoof... Jul 17 04:28:41 TommyBres: i know, right? Jul 17 04:28:52 hit the "I've seen enough" link Jul 17 04:28:52 it's been around for a while too Jul 17 04:28:58 I hope they cashed the fuck in on that ad Jul 17 04:29:07 you would think it was a marketing company showing their stuff. but naaah. surely that can't be it ;) Jul 17 04:29:07 lol Jul 17 04:29:45 "look what we can do for an imaginary device. just think what we can do for yours!" Jul 17 04:29:57 okay zinx i finally clicked on release date, and it all makes sense Jul 17 04:30:03 lol the coffee brewer looks awesome Jul 17 04:30:05 is there a mod like that for android? Jul 17 04:30:43 jpa: yeah. you have to stuff the ground coffee up the usb port Jul 17 04:31:06 ^^ the REAL reason for ExtUSB Jul 17 04:31:13 haha Jul 17 04:32:04 hahaha wtf Jul 17 04:32:06 NOVA SCOTIA?? Jul 17 04:32:22 .......... what is a nova scotia Jul 17 04:32:25 ? Jul 17 04:32:26 .................................................. Jul 17 04:32:30 A FACKING PART OF CANADIA Jul 17 04:32:31 clearly american Jul 17 04:32:37 clearly idiots Jul 17 04:32:41 jpa = canadian, right? Jul 17 04:32:42 turn on your sarcasm detectors guys Jul 17 04:32:42 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_Scotia Jul 17 04:32:43 it's the grand touring version of the nova Jul 17 04:32:44 * TommyBres pawns him off on canada Jul 17 04:32:46 plz Jul 17 04:32:56 ur killing me here Jul 17 04:33:00 waketfu Jul 17 04:33:33 jpa: don't you be going dissin' the Mi'gma'gi now Jul 17 04:33:47 wtf Jul 17 04:33:49 wtf did you just say to me? Jul 17 04:33:52 you watch your tone Jul 17 04:33:57 ill have none of it Jul 17 04:34:12 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_Scotia Jul 17 04:34:15 lol Jul 17 04:34:15 3rd paragraph :p Jul 17 04:35:47 I've been there Jul 17 04:38:34 does anyone know of working maps for a voice navigation software for the g1? Jul 17 04:38:47 like tomtom maps for windows mobile Jul 17 04:38:48 copilot Jul 17 04:38:52 Copilot GPS Jul 17 04:38:53 ftw Jul 17 04:38:54 US maps? Jul 17 04:39:01 they have europe and UK Jul 17 04:39:04 not the U.S. Jul 17 04:39:09 $34.99 for the north america, $64.99 for europe Jul 17 04:39:10 do they? I dunno lol Jul 17 04:39:13 ah Jul 17 04:39:21 http://www.cyrket.com/package/com.alk.copilot.marketplace.na.full Jul 17 04:39:23 yes, they have all of north america (canada/mexico/USA) for $35 Jul 17 04:39:33 nice, how quick is the lock? on cold start? Jul 17 04:39:37 wow Jul 17 04:39:53 the g1 locks pretty quick, usually just a few seconds Jul 17 04:40:08 yes, agreed Jul 17 04:40:11 doesn't andnav do that as well Jul 17 04:40:14 much quicker than my touch pro did Jul 17 04:40:21 im thinking of buying a g1 for $100 for my 15-yr old sister since she wants one Jul 17 04:40:27 well cupcake added agps which helped a huge amount Jul 17 04:40:34 used to often be minutes Jul 17 04:40:40 yeah I have an ATT fuze right now... I need GPS test as I don't have any data plan Jul 17 04:40:57 no AGPS Jul 17 04:41:14 thanks though, i'll look that up Jul 17 04:41:21 yeah minutes to seconds helps alot Jul 17 04:41:25 the g1 has the same chip as the Fuze Jul 17 04:41:29 without AGPS? Jul 17 04:41:53 yeah, it's a minute or two without AGPS (or rather, before AGPS. I haven't turned off data to see if it's still that slow) Jul 17 04:42:09 cool great :) Jul 17 04:42:16 this is probably the best phone for its price then Jul 17 04:42:16 no gps indoors, of course Jul 17 04:42:21 yeah Jul 17 04:42:44 agentblair i came from an AT&T fuze as well Jul 17 04:42:49 im just suspicious though, $100 for a g1? Jul 17 04:42:51 android is a huge step up from winmo ;) Jul 17 04:43:01 100 sounds pretty cheap Jul 17 04:43:05 step up? but you just have the g1! Jul 17 04:43:11 well, the build quality of the G1 is less than stellar, but i've dropped it enough to know it can take a beating Jul 17 04:43:18 I do like it though don't get me wrong Jul 17 04:43:28 winmo sucks so bad Jul 17 04:43:32 great perfect Jul 17 04:43:34 lies Jul 17 04:43:38 with TF3D, winmo is just fine Jul 17 04:43:51 Well android is just starting Jul 17 04:44:00 and so far it's real good, just needs some good phones Jul 17 04:44:00 kinda Jul 17 04:44:07 just starting 9 months ago Jul 17 04:44:08 like the hero, or something like the HD Jul 17 04:44:13 TommyBres, just started a few years ago Jul 17 04:44:20 well, just released 9 months ago Jul 17 04:44:23 * TommyBres punches KNY Jul 17 04:44:23 yeah Jul 17 04:44:27 fgt Jul 17 04:44:35 btw, this is a dumb question, but you can hard-reset it right? Jul 17 04:44:44 haha we dont use that terminology Jul 17 04:44:44 just to see if the ROM is OK Jul 17 04:44:47 but yes, you can wipe it Jul 17 04:44:47 oh Jul 17 04:44:56 but I agree, it needs some more powerful hardware and the firmware could use some improvements (and donut should deliver those, I'm told) Jul 17 04:44:57 reboot/wipe instead of soft/hard reset Jul 17 04:44:58 i'll check the manual before I see it Jul 17 04:45:12 reboot? Jul 17 04:45:15 yeah Jul 17 04:45:19 how, I have to do it on the stock ROM Jul 17 04:45:21 reboot is like a soft reset on winmo Jul 17 04:45:23 well ill look it up Jul 17 04:45:29 wait, how what? what're you asking Jul 17 04:45:41 just hard-reset Jul 17 04:45:43 to wipe you just start with the phone off, boot by holding home and power Jul 17 04:45:48 then hit ALT+W Jul 17 04:45:51 because the phone I purchase might have crap I don't want Jul 17 04:45:54 that's it Jul 17 04:46:03 ok yeah Jul 17 04:46:05 thanks Jul 17 04:46:07 turn on with home+power, hit alt+w, it's wiped, period... just like you got it from t-mo :P Jul 17 04:46:13 yeah, you can easily get back to a factory state. either wipe or re-flash the firmware Jul 17 04:46:30 i just need an unlock code since my sister has AT&T Jul 17 04:46:36 yep Jul 17 04:46:44 AgentBlair, they're no more than $30 Jul 17 04:46:47 sometimes cheaper/free Jul 17 04:46:50 psh, dont pay 30 Jul 17 04:46:53 lol Jul 17 04:46:55 ill pay $10 Jul 17 04:46:57 you can supposedly get them from t-mobile even if you're not a customer Jul 17 04:47:07 but otherwise yeah, somewhere around $20 Jul 17 04:47:49 http://www.cellunlockstore.com/?gclid=CPuNvOD325sCFUdM5QodP1iS_A Jul 17 04:47:53 uhh what, that seems like a scam Jul 17 04:47:54 this is a random question tho, but you guys aren't worried about drivers like the fuze community is right? Jul 17 04:47:58 $3.99 o.O Jul 17 04:47:59 TommyBres: get your phone's caller id working? Jul 17 04:48:06 macer, nope Jul 17 04:48:09 wiped and restored and still unknown for all calls Jul 17 04:48:29 out of curiosity.. you did try the sim in another phone to make sure it wasn't a carrier problem? Jul 17 04:48:31 because HTC didn't put working drivers on our fuzes so we don't get very good GAPI support from our hardware Jul 17 04:48:37 although I guess that doesn't matter at all Jul 17 04:48:38 macer i was going to... then i forgot Jul 17 04:48:41 lol Jul 17 04:48:42 since you're all starting from scratch Jul 17 04:48:48 my brother's caller ID works on the same plan, maybe i should see if it's a bad sim Jul 17 04:48:56 so you might be getting frustrated over something that might have been the phone company ;) Jul 17 04:48:58 but it coincidentally happened after my apps2sd fiasco Jul 17 04:49:05 macer did you read what i just said Jul 17 04:49:09 probably not, that's nothing new Jul 17 04:49:11 TommyBres: probably just a coincidence Jul 17 04:49:17 haha ok Jul 17 04:49:18 if you say so Jul 17 04:49:22 but best to eliminate the phoen company first Jul 17 04:49:29 at least then you know without a doubt it's teh phone Jul 17 04:53:59 of course, fuck my life Jul 17 04:54:13 the phone that we have sitting in a drawer, that worked fine until it was put in the drawer, just won't turn on Jul 17 04:54:24 plugged into the wall, still won't turn on, fucking great Jul 17 05:00:32 btw, is there any way to install programs/apps on the g1 through the microSD card withought flashing/rooting/hardspling it? Jul 17 05:00:42 yes Jul 17 05:00:53 oh i mean without the marketplace lol Jul 17 05:01:00 yes Jul 17 05:01:05 just through wifi or with the microsd Jul 17 05:01:08 oh kewl Jul 17 05:01:32 someone told me i have to root it and install some program on the PC Jul 17 05:01:51 nah Jul 17 05:02:21 so... this is coming from someone with a ATT Fuze, you can put "cabs" into the SD card and install them onto the phone? Jul 17 05:02:45 apk, yes Jul 17 05:02:45 including music, videos, etc Jul 17 05:02:49 :) Jul 17 05:03:03 ok I'll test it out thanks Jul 17 05:03:47 cabs? Jul 17 05:04:01 Leeds: .cab is the extension of a winmo install file Jul 17 05:04:07 assume you mean apk files... and media just goes in directories on the SD card anyway Jul 17 05:04:11 the equivalent of .apk's for us, like kny said Jul 17 05:04:36 k so .cab = .apk Jul 17 05:04:42 basically, yeah Jul 17 05:04:55 you put an apk on the sd card, navigate to it with a file browser and run it, and it installs on the phone Jul 17 05:05:01 you access them on a non-rooted g1 and isntall kewl :) Jul 17 05:05:11 right, root doesnt matter for basic installs of applications Jul 17 05:05:15 please tell me the g1 has a file browser on the stock ROM :P Jul 17 05:05:22 root isn't really required for a whole lot, to be honest Jul 17 05:05:25 AgentBlair, no Jul 17 05:05:34 no AgentBlair but it has about 2398472347 on android market for free Jul 17 05:05:34 quick question. a friend of mine wants an HTC magic like my Google I/O phone. He is in the USA now but will be back in Australia soon Jul 17 05:05:48 AgentBlair: the es filemanager has smb support ;) Jul 17 05:05:50 should he buy it there? (are they for sale in the USA yet?) Jul 17 05:05:52 gambler: it won't be out for a while as the t-mo mytouch 3G in the US Jul 17 05:05:53 well I can't access the android market if im on ATT Jul 17 05:05:53 that's always nice to have Jul 17 05:06:04 AgentBlair: sure you can Jul 17 05:06:09 oh ok nvm then Jul 17 05:06:12 TommyBres, cheers Jul 17 05:06:18 ;) Jul 17 05:06:22 the one I tried at best buy required a user name and password to access the market Jul 17 05:06:29 yeah, a google account Jul 17 05:06:32 yeah. google username Jul 17 05:06:36 use your current gmail account, if you don't have one, make one Jul 17 05:07:00 oh I can ok good Jul 17 05:07:05 i just can't buy stuff Jul 17 05:07:06 it's not recommended to log in to a public device with your gmail account though ;) Jul 17 05:07:11 you can buy stuff Jul 17 05:07:14 nah i didnt Jul 17 05:07:19 AgentBlair: you can do everything t-mo users can do on market Jul 17 05:07:20 you just have to have google checkout on the account Jul 17 05:07:24 i swear before i added a google username that the google talk account gave me an option for jabber Jul 17 05:07:26 i'm on AT&T, i buy apps all the time Jul 17 05:07:51 google checkout? Jul 17 05:07:57 i probably have like, $100 in apps, if not more :\ Jul 17 05:08:20 AgentBlair: google checkout is used for buying from many different vendors, you set up an account with a credit/debit card, bank account, etc Jul 17 05:08:24 checkout.google.com i think Jul 17 05:08:33 alright Jul 17 05:08:42 just to access the market and only download free apps Jul 17 05:08:44 all apps on the android market, you have 24 hours to refund them Jul 17 05:08:53 no, to download free apps you dont need a checkout account Jul 17 05:08:55 only to buy apps Jul 17 05:09:01 oh OK yay Jul 17 05:09:09 kewl i love this then thanks Jul 17 05:09:12 all you need is a gmail account to access the free ones Jul 17 05:09:14 np Jul 17 05:09:37 yeah these are pretty basic Q's lol but I want to make sure you can ask me any questions on the fuze :p Jul 17 05:09:57 i mean I just want to make sure before purchasing Jul 17 05:09:58 haha i had one of the very first fuzes way back when, months before release ;) Jul 17 05:10:06 how? Jul 17 05:10:08 so i've had these questions asked of me before Jul 17 05:10:14 bought it off of someone who got it from his company Jul 17 05:10:22 AgentBlair: it "fell" off the back of a truck Jul 17 05:10:26 $900 on ebay like 3 months before it released Jul 17 05:10:35 ...then sold it for $1,000 locally a month later Jul 17 05:10:49 too much hype Jul 17 05:10:49 hehe Jul 17 05:10:56 now you can get a fuze for $200 Jul 17 05:10:59 haha yeah Jul 17 05:11:00 but what do you know, you hate the G1 too Jul 17 05:11:08 that's how technology is, that's why i dumped it so soon Jul 17 05:11:13 zinx i loved the fuze Jul 17 05:11:22 i just didn't $900 love it Jul 17 05:11:29 :/ Jul 17 05:11:49 thats a LOTTA money to spend on a phone, so when i got the chance i sold it for more and planned on buying another... then android caught my attention :P Jul 17 05:12:06 did you fix ur phone ? Jul 17 05:12:09 ha, no Jul 17 05:12:17 hmm. totally offtopic.. anyone have any ideas how to make a (small, cheap) metal detector that can detect aluminum (..foil) Jul 17 05:12:35 JesusFreke: metal detector on market Jul 17 05:12:35 JesusFreke: using your G1? ;) Jul 17 05:12:39 HAHA win Jul 17 05:12:47 TommyBres: doesn't work ;) Jul 17 05:12:51 :( Jul 17 05:13:01 it uses the compass Jul 17 05:13:03 lunch... pasta today, I think Jul 17 05:13:03 JesusFreke: check hackaday? Jul 17 05:13:55 aluminum isn't ferro/para magnetic Jul 17 05:14:05 zinx: not yet. I just started thinking about it Jul 17 05:14:07 then it isn't metal detectable! Jul 17 05:14:09 heh Jul 17 05:14:32 TommyBres: there are other ways to detect things than with a magnetic field :) Jul 17 05:14:44 NAH UH Jul 17 05:14:45 why? Jul 17 05:14:53 tmzt: you sure you wanna know? Jul 17 05:15:07 ...i wasn't gonna ask lol Jul 17 05:15:13 I can't guess Jul 17 05:15:13 https://secure.tpgrewards.com/act/bigg/ Jul 17 05:15:22 they're packaged in a foil pack in the box Jul 17 05:15:27 ...... Jul 17 05:15:30 oops, wrong link Jul 17 05:15:37 err, no. that's in. nm Jul 17 05:15:41 you're going to be in the supermarket Jul 17 05:15:44 scanning boxes Jul 17 05:15:47 by the hundreds Jul 17 05:16:04 I mostly just wanna see if it's possible for the fun of it. lol Jul 17 05:16:12 if you can make it work, brilliant Jul 17 05:16:15 JesusFreke: fwiw, depending on the type of 'foil', it's going to be very very hard to detect Jul 17 05:16:16 you could make so much money Jul 17 05:16:32 but why do you want to detect foil Jul 17 05:16:34 zinx i'm pretty sure the foil they use for those things is like the pop-tart wrappers, verrrrrrrrry thin Jul 17 05:16:48 haha i typed "pop-tard" and had to correct myself Jul 17 05:16:50 and not even metal, mostly Jul 17 05:16:56 mylar Jul 17 05:16:59 tmzt: the boxes of cereal have a credit card. packaged in foily stuff Jul 17 05:17:04 build a mylar detector! Jul 17 05:17:13 yeah, it probably is mylar actually Jul 17 05:17:13 oh, at a distance Jul 17 05:17:16 but still metalized Jul 17 05:17:24 tmzt only from 2" away Jul 17 05:17:26 very few metal detectors can do that with steel Jul 17 05:17:28 that's how thick the boxes are Jul 17 05:17:41 you need a sensitive xray Jul 17 05:17:51 i was about to say, build an x-ray machine like at the airport Jul 17 05:17:59 ....and wheel it right down the cereal aisle Jul 17 05:18:03 maybe IR. or ultrasonic? Jul 17 05:18:09 there are hand-held x-rays Jul 17 05:18:18 that work well enough? Jul 17 05:18:19 it would have to be on both sides Jul 17 05:18:40 IR? only if visible light can pass the cardboard Jul 17 05:18:49 ir != visible Jul 17 05:18:52 depends on how bright it is Jul 17 05:18:54 I know Jul 17 05:19:00 but it's a good test Jul 17 05:19:05 err, not IR, sorry Jul 17 05:19:08 IR is actually a lower frequency Jul 17 05:19:15 infrared Jul 17 05:19:22 but very close together Jul 17 05:19:23 so it'd be harder to pass through the cardboard than visible light Jul 17 05:19:54 yeah, nm. I wasn't thinking on that one :) Jul 17 05:19:59 haha Jul 17 05:20:47 use FM Jul 17 05:21:21 http://alieke.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/guys-feet-on-rock.jpg Jul 17 05:21:25 LOOOK all the way to the right Jul 17 05:21:29 holy jesus that guy is huge Jul 17 05:21:44 ? Jul 17 05:21:50 cankles Jul 17 05:21:55 haha yes Jul 17 05:21:56 oh. heh Jul 17 05:22:04 his calf is about as thick as my waist Jul 17 05:22:19 they all need five finger shoes :D Jul 17 05:22:21 at first I read that as "wrist" Jul 17 05:22:22 haha Jul 17 05:22:25 screw that.. don't be a pussy.. use gamma rays Jul 17 05:22:28 rofl Jul 17 05:22:31 :) Jul 17 05:22:34 yes KNY my wrist is 34" around Jul 17 05:22:38 if something gets in its way.. it will burn through it Jul 17 05:22:46 TommyBres, haha I was going to say .. Jul 17 05:22:55 i'm a big woman, what can i say Jul 17 05:23:20 i remember ray charles saying something about how he'd tell if a woman was attractive Jul 17 05:23:29 as he shook her hand he'd put his other hand around her wrist Jul 17 05:23:39 haha Jul 17 05:23:47 and all i thought is, i feel bad for him... Jul 17 05:23:55 the broken-face bitches that're thin are gonna seem like a good catch Jul 17 05:24:02 trying to read up on how difficult it is to crack wifi encryption Jul 17 05:24:05 he needs some buddies backin him up Jul 17 05:24:06 if you're blind, why do you care? :) Jul 17 05:24:09 oh man, during CNN's televised MJ funeral ray charles was like "This is a day I thought I'd never live to see" Jul 17 05:24:13 haha Jul 17 05:24:18 JesusFreke: it's all about the image Jul 17 05:24:19 TommyBres: why would you care if your blind ? Jul 17 05:24:27 LOL Jul 17 05:24:36 amason_: i already said, it's about the image Jul 17 05:25:09 if ray charles is walkin around with a 350 pounder, it's like, come on, that's just mocking her Jul 17 05:25:10 meh, if I were blind, i wouldn't care as long as she was strong in other areas :) Jul 17 05:25:12 lol!! Jul 17 05:25:13 kny wtf Jul 17 05:25:31 someone must have wrote his speech for him :) Jul 17 05:25:34 Macer, ahaha Jul 17 05:25:54 i see it as a tradeoff, and well if your blind then its not that bigger trade off Jul 17 05:25:54 where were all these "I love Michael" people when he was going to court battling child molestation charges? Jul 17 05:26:10 the only one that stuck wtih him was liz taylor's crazy ass Jul 17 05:26:14 Macer: they were there Jul 17 05:26:18 Macer: heh, they were afraid he was guilty Jul 17 05:26:21 i never thought MJ was guilty Jul 17 05:26:21 TommyBres: yeah they were there alreright Jul 17 05:26:31 now everybody is on the "his death will make us money" bandwagon Jul 17 05:26:34 did you see his father? Jul 17 05:26:41 jpa you never thought he was guilty because you thought it was okay <3 Jul 17 05:26:43 "it's tragic my son is dead.. but i have this record label..." Jul 17 05:26:48 you got a little lovin from him, eh? Jul 17 05:27:07 i never thought he was guilty because a real parent would have refused te money and had his ass sent to jail to be gang raped while moonwalking Jul 17 05:27:13 Macer: look at what the King family tried doing Jul 17 05:27:25 suing the obama/king shirt people? Jul 17 05:27:26 haha Jul 17 05:27:28 wow, this channel doesn't take long to get OT Jul 17 05:27:29 that is so petty Jul 17 05:27:38 TommyBres: MJ taught me how to master fish... like a fisherman masters bait. Jul 17 05:27:51 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/15/us/politics/15king.html Jul 17 05:28:07 amason_: yeah.. wtf? :) anyways.. i'm going to see if androffice is working on their docs editor Jul 17 05:28:12 “It’s not about the money,” Mr. Farris said. “The law says that if you don’t assert and protect the right to an image, you can lose that right.” But he added, “We do feel that if somebody’s out there making a dollar, we should make a dime.” Jul 17 05:28:14 openoffice for android :) Jul 17 05:28:36 freal? Jul 17 05:28:38 well.. at the very least... openoffice formats.. which reminds me i have to uninstall ms office and install openoffice on thsi Jul 17 05:28:53 jpa: they only have a spreadsheet that saves in openoffice format now :( Jul 17 05:29:01 i thought it was going to be a full suite when it was released Jul 17 05:29:04 Macer: i posted on ooo's messageboards a while back about a possible android product Jul 17 05:29:20 and they was like IT'S ALL JAVA, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW LONG THESE VERSIONS TOO TO MAKE Jul 17 05:29:33 so i said fuck you guise i'm making my own, and i got as far as System.out.println( Jul 17 05:29:38 i only realized today i SORT OF have flash supoprt on my phone with this hero rom Jul 17 05:29:42 TommyBres: wow really? Jul 17 05:29:44 was playing Double Wires today at work w00t Jul 17 05:29:46 that would be so damn awesome Jul 17 05:29:50 yeah macer they seriously shot down the idea lol Jul 17 05:29:57 http://www.freewebarcade.com/game/double-wires/ Jul 17 05:30:04 this was like 8 months ago though Jul 17 05:30:08 TommyBres: it's actually real java though.. that takes up like 8723489723497G of ram and 100% cpu Jul 17 05:30:20 * TommyBres has infinite ram and cpu to spare Jul 17 05:30:28 porting OOo to android? Jul 17 05:30:30 so i could imagine how difficult making an actual phone version would be Jul 17 05:30:30 heh Jul 17 05:30:31 not likely Jul 17 05:30:34 yeah Jul 17 05:30:37 tmzt, writing one for android Jul 17 05:30:44 that would be almost impossible.. they'd have to start completely from scratch Jul 17 05:30:46 porting wouldnt be of much use, as they made clear Jul 17 05:31:04 i'd like to be able to read opendocument on android Jul 17 05:31:06 I want a pomegranate phone :( Jul 17 05:31:07 that would be cool Jul 17 05:31:09 that woudl be great tho Jul 17 05:31:14 amason_: androffice is workign on it Jul 17 05:31:15 jpa me too Jul 17 05:31:16 what's the best ebook reader for android? Jul 17 05:31:18 they only have a spread sheet though Jul 17 05:31:19 i'd pay $2500 for that phone Jul 17 05:31:21 im gonna throw a bunch of books onm y phone Jul 17 05:31:34 jpa i have "Book" Jul 17 05:31:38 this is what happends when you choos java for "portability" Jul 17 05:31:40 jpa: read the entire dune saga.. best books ever made :) Jul 17 05:31:42 but it doesnt save the books on your phone Jul 17 05:31:49 tmzt: i suppose ;) Jul 17 05:31:53 is it likely that newer kernels will increase battery life on these phones Jul 17 05:32:00 tmzt, manymanymany platforms chose java for portability Jul 17 05:32:01 i have an HTC magic and its' not awesome Jul 17 05:32:03 universal portability ;) Jul 17 05:32:04 haha Jul 17 05:32:07 "or so they say" Jul 17 05:32:07 Macer: odd you say that lol.. my uncle made me read that when I was like 11 and getting into the Foundation trilogy (Asimov) Jul 17 05:32:19 amason_: stfu.. htc magic IS awesome Jul 17 05:32:20 and now he hates dune Jul 17 05:32:37 the HTC magic is about as awesome as jessica simpson without tits Jul 17 05:32:44 jpa: i think dune was one of the best series ever written.. although i didn't like the newer novels by his son as much Jul 17 05:32:44 jpa: i meant the battery life Jul 17 05:32:46 k so is "Book" unanymously the best Ebook reader? Jul 17 05:32:47 the phone is awesome Jul 17 05:32:47 they were pretty good though Jul 17 05:32:55 jpa it requires network access Jul 17 05:33:01 I like my HTC Magic Jul 17 05:33:05 Macer: i concur Jul 17 05:33:07 that's okay Jul 17 05:33:09 i have a 6gb data plan Jul 17 05:33:11 3g ftmfw Jul 17 05:33:16 * TommyBres searches Jul 17 05:33:22 ftmfw hahah Jul 17 05:33:30 Aldiko is the best Jul 17 05:33:38 but wtf.. why does an ebook reader neet network access? Jul 17 05:33:55 jpa: probably to buy books off some google endorsed service Jul 17 05:34:02 jpa it doesnt store the books on your phone... Jul 17 05:34:09 no, theyre free Jul 17 05:34:21 really? that sounds interesting Jul 17 05:34:32 but jpa look at aldiko Jul 17 05:34:34 but reading off a phone would be kind of rough Jul 17 05:34:40 indeed Jul 17 05:34:43 just a straight up reader? Jul 17 05:34:44 * Macer is still waiting for his touch book :-\ Jul 17 05:34:50 hopefully it is not just a dream Jul 17 05:34:54 but when you have an hour and a half commute each way on public transportation... Jul 17 05:34:56 cuz i doubt the one with the online database has the particular books i want to read atm Jul 17 05:34:58 you'd rather a phone than nothing Jul 17 05:35:02 i will be able to stick it to a fridge and watch stuff while in te kitchen doing something Jul 17 05:35:18 jpa, you mean to read books in a certain format that you have already? Jul 17 05:35:29 nah i read 1984, Brave New World, and Doors of Perception on my samsung d807 Jul 17 05:35:30 TommyBres: if the g1 could stay alive on its battery for that long with t screen on streaming a book over 3G Jul 17 05:35:33 and that screen was like 1" Jul 17 05:35:40 jpa: read a prayer for own meany Jul 17 05:35:47 ........ Jul 17 05:35:47 what Jul 17 05:35:49 macer, public transportation, there's no service Jul 17 05:35:51 so no 3g Jul 17 05:35:55 i don't believe in prayer Jul 17 05:35:57 it's against my religion Jul 17 05:36:08 jpa: the book is still good though ;) Jul 17 05:36:25 apparently aldiko is only compatible with ".epub" format... but it seems to be the best one on market, $1.99 Jul 17 05:36:49 bah Jul 17 05:37:02 no paid app market access in canuckia Jul 17 05:37:15 not true Jul 17 05:37:17 hah Jul 17 05:37:23 what's wrong with fbreader for android? Jul 17 05:37:26 well it is for me since i dont have a credit card Jul 17 05:37:33 jpa: http://code.google.com/p/market-enabler/ Jul 17 05:37:40 get a free checking account NOOB Jul 17 05:37:53 k wait... that's an official app? Jul 17 05:37:55 not like a hax0r? Jul 17 05:38:02 ...it's an app Jul 17 05:38:06 jpa: http://www.fbreader.org/FBReaderJ/android/screenshots/ Jul 17 05:38:13 there's a downloads section too Jul 17 05:38:30 AHHH FRENCH, LEAVE ME ALONE Jul 17 05:38:57 lol Jul 17 05:39:24 je ne pas parles francais Jul 17 05:39:27 ah well.. have to do some stuff to my router which is nice over the vpn tethered Jul 17 05:39:45 jpa i'm american, i hate the french Jul 17 05:39:50 and the canadians who act like them Jul 17 05:39:51 je pense tu a une stilos dans ton fais" Jul 17 05:40:00 exactly Jul 17 05:40:19 come to montreal Jul 17 05:40:27 the french is pretty effing french here Jul 17 05:40:34 but french hipster girls = soooooo effing hot Jul 17 05:40:37 http://docs.lucidinteractive.ca/index.php/Cracking_WEP_and_WPA_Wireless_Networks Jul 17 05:40:40 it looks like the 80s in montreal Jul 17 05:40:42 lol Jul 17 05:40:46 that's old but still good reading Jul 17 05:40:54 all the girls wear these long hippie t-shirts and tight TIGHT leggins that show off their ass Jul 17 05:40:56 omg Jul 17 05:41:16 WTFZOMGROFLLOL Jul 17 05:41:24 * amason_ sighs Jul 17 05:41:29 Macer: as much as the examples are in french, and such... that app has english menus, right? Jul 17 05:41:31 jpa, hook me up with some decent cannabis for cheap and then we're talkin :P Jul 17 05:41:36 'the FBreader thing? Jul 17 05:41:40 or does the F stand for French ? Jul 17 05:41:44 dude Jul 17 05:41:48 MOntreal has delivery services for pot Jul 17 05:42:13 ....i have a delivery service here :) Jul 17 05:42:20 it's called "i grew up with the kid and he lives a block away" Jul 17 05:42:23 jpa: haha.. fbreader is a linux app to read e-books. they just probably ported it to android. i've honestly never used it on the phone Jul 17 05:42:28 how much for a 1/4 ? Jul 17 05:42:32 oh haha Jul 17 05:42:35 you could be anywhere Jul 17 05:42:36 err Jul 17 05:42:37 haha Jul 17 05:42:53 i paid like $300 for ~25g of bomb shit Jul 17 05:42:55 you could be anywhere in MOntreal... between the hours of 10am and 10pm.. page a number.. he sends a driver Jul 17 05:42:55 boom Jul 17 05:43:04 holy JEEZ Jul 17 05:43:06 where do you live? Jul 17 05:43:07 jail? Jul 17 05:43:36 HAHAHA wtf Jul 17 05:43:45 $300 is cheeeaappp by our standards Jul 17 05:43:52 dude Jul 17 05:43:53 jpa take this to -offtopic Jul 17 05:43:56 25g isn't even an ounce Jul 17 05:44:05 i'm aware, shush Jul 17 05:44:07 go to offtopic Jul 17 05:56:28 is there a tactful way to ask tmob for unlock? or do you just ask rep for it outright? Jul 17 05:57:37 luok: tell them you're traveling to Europe and may want to use a local PAYG SIM while you're there Jul 17 05:58:10 cool thx Jul 17 05:58:18 luok how long have you had the phone? Jul 17 05:58:24 8 mos Jul 17 05:58:30 you are golden Jul 17 05:59:03 be polite, mention traveling, but I'm pretty sure it's a sure thing after 3 months Jul 17 05:59:17 yeah is what i've read Jul 17 05:59:22 trying now Jul 17 05:59:44 does the g1 work in south korea, germany? Jul 17 05:59:49 or are those different bands Jul 17 06:00:41 there is a german one Jul 17 06:01:36 AgentBlair: it works on those for voice and edge, not 3G Jul 17 06:01:54 ok good Jul 17 06:02:07 the more i learn about this phone the more I like it :p Jul 17 06:02:18 lol Jul 17 06:02:21 you like not having 3G? Jul 17 06:02:39 3G IS SCARY! Jul 17 06:02:40 hah boo Jul 17 06:02:43 customer service is closed Jul 17 06:02:54 bwahahahahaha Jul 17 06:03:00 IF YOU HAD SPRINT, 24/7 customer service Jul 17 06:03:04 yet another reason for a pre ;) Jul 17 06:03:17 hehe i want a pre that runs palmos 5.. Jul 17 06:03:53 ...... Jul 17 06:03:55 how about 6? Jul 17 06:03:57 wow rogers reps are so stupid... they tried convecing me the silicon cases for the dream are also used on the magic. Jul 17 06:04:12 k4r1m: stop being redundant, you said stupid twice Jul 17 06:04:22 k4r1m: they're running the same software, they can use the same cases, right? Jul 17 06:04:48 duh Jul 17 06:04:55 and they have the same size hard drives Jul 17 06:04:58 um hows the sound on the g1? is it shitty like the ATT Fuze when it runs on another carrier? Jul 17 06:05:01 true true i didnt look at it from that pov Jul 17 06:05:05 lulz Jul 17 06:05:33 AgentBlair: it's alright, reception is a bit worse than my fuze it seems Jul 17 06:05:45 but not awful, maybe a bit subpar Jul 17 06:05:54 on the stock radio? Jul 17 06:06:06 i just recently changed my radio on my fuze and the sound greatly improved Jul 17 06:06:15 on the newest radio, the 1.5 Jul 17 06:06:23 there are no modded radios that i know of, all are straight from HC Jul 17 06:06:24 HTC* Jul 17 06:06:27 feckin keybaord Jul 17 06:06:29 asjfha;slkdfs Jul 17 06:06:29 ah Jul 17 06:06:39 so the stock ROM with an ATT sim card should be good Jul 17 06:06:54 indeed Jul 17 06:07:24 did anyone get a PS1 emulator working? :P Jul 17 06:07:37 should i get the invisible shield or a silicon case first? kinda of low on budget and dont know what to get either or ;[ Jul 17 06:07:48 how is apple legally allowed to require itunes for the iphone Jul 17 06:08:02 wouldnt there be monopoly problems? Jul 17 06:08:22 Gary|G1: ur the talking about the pre sync they just blocked? Jul 17 06:08:40 Gary|G1: there's no monopoly involved Jul 17 06:08:58 yeah i dunno steve jobs cooked the books Jul 17 06:08:59 no idea. just know you need itunes to activate, and cant copy music without it Jul 17 06:09:13 Gary|G1 there is no such thing as monopoly when it comes to apple Jul 17 06:09:21 lol Jul 17 06:09:32 they have it written into their OSX Terms Of Service that you can only use OSX "on an Apple-branded product" Jul 17 06:09:35 no monopoly there Jul 17 06:09:41 what area do you think they have a monopoly in? Jul 17 06:09:54 mock necks Jul 17 06:09:58 ftw Jul 17 06:10:03 how about the two things listed? Jul 17 06:10:05 leeds, every area Jul 17 06:10:08 being a super huge and rich company doesn't mean you have a monopoly Jul 17 06:10:13 it means you properly exploited the right market :) Jul 17 06:10:25 and leeds it's not so much what they already have a stranglehold on, it's the act of trying to keep other companies down Jul 17 06:10:26 Gary|G1: sorry, I'm dumb... which two things do they hold monopoly power in? Jul 17 06:10:28 lotharn: haha Jul 17 06:10:37 leeds read what i said Jul 17 06:10:51 in the 90's microsoft was never THE ONLY OS OUT THERE, apple was around Jul 17 06:11:16 but some things microsoft got criticized for was trying to keep competition down, that's why they got heat for IE being packaged with windows Jul 17 06:11:38 TommyBres: monopoly power is what matters... there was competition to Microsoft, but they held such a huge part of the market that they were considered a legal monopoly and therefore subject to anti-trust... I'm asking what area Apple dominates to that extent Jul 17 06:11:47 lol Jul 17 06:12:04 they dominate the smartphone market pretty handily in the US, no? Jul 17 06:12:17 http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/24/iphone-now-50-percent-of-smartphone-web-traffic-in-the-us/ Jul 17 06:12:45 http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10245339-37.html Jul 17 06:13:08 I doubt that 'smartphones' would be considered a single market... and even then, there are a *lot* of blackberries out there as well... they certainly don't dominate the phone market as a whole Jul 17 06:13:39 i just linked you to something that says FIFTY PERCENT of web traffic to smartphones in the united states is to iphones Jul 17 06:13:53 that's ONE OUT OF EVERY TWO kilobytes of data sent to smartphones going to an apple product Jul 17 06:14:00 but you're right, they're not even a major player Jul 17 06:14:09 microsoft is much more dominant Jul 17 06:14:30 web traffic is not market share Jul 17 06:14:45 why of course not, they have 16% of worldwide market share Jul 17 06:15:03 and considering symbian dominates everything outside of the US but is barely prevalent in the US... i'd have to say they have double or triple that here Jul 17 06:15:14 i think thats 16 percent more than 95 Jul 17 06:15:31 huh Jul 17 06:15:43 anyways, i'm not going to win this argument so i give up Jul 17 06:15:54 you're right and apple has never been a part of any shady business practice to count out competition ever Jul 17 06:16:11 hey thats america Jul 17 06:16:14 god Gary|G1, we're so fucking stupid Jul 17 06:16:33 mock necks and economic powerhouses. Jul 17 06:16:37 and dumb Jul 17 06:16:38 ha Jul 17 06:16:44 economic powerhouses don't exist outside the US? Jul 17 06:16:55 we have a monopoly on dumb too Jul 17 06:17:03 no cause there all not mericans Jul 17 06:17:13 what? Jul 17 06:17:15 are you retarded? Jul 17 06:17:33 oh oh i know the answer to this one! Jul 17 06:17:38 people are more likely to use the iPhone's web browser than other smartphone browsers, wuch as windows mobile... because those browsers suck ass. Jul 17 06:17:39 hahaha Jul 17 06:17:40 kinda like mexicans but more white trash Jul 17 06:17:46 TommyBres: firstly, they don't have a monopoly... secondly, the whole point is that there are whole loads of shady business practices which are *only* illegal if you're a monopoly Jul 17 06:17:52 .....we're hardworking people, lotharn? Jul 17 06:17:57 coulda fooled me Jul 17 06:18:28 russtora if you think safari is much better than opera mobile, i can't even argue with you Jul 17 06:18:50 TommyBres: I hardly work.. does that qualify? Jul 17 06:18:53 opera mobile cant render for crap Jul 17 06:19:00 zinx you must be mexican Jul 17 06:19:02 but more white trash Jul 17 06:19:07 lotharn really? Jul 17 06:19:09 mexicans work hard :/ Jul 17 06:19:21 just don't pay 'em until they finish Jul 17 06:19:26 whats that have to do with jeses? Jul 17 06:19:30 this is merica Jul 17 06:19:34 lol Jul 17 06:19:41 lol Jul 17 06:19:46 rofl Jul 17 06:20:22 now get me a sufralate cupofchino Jul 17 06:20:39 hmm Jul 17 06:20:44 that was fun Jul 17 06:21:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aiw5PsQ50Uc&eurl=http://www.mobile88.com/cellphone/HTC/HTC-Touch-HD/video.asp%3FTitle%3DHTC%2520Touch%2520HD%2520vs%2520iPhone%2520vs%2520Omnia%26ID%3D1824&feature=player_embedded Jul 17 06:21:22 so gesoid is cool Jul 17 06:21:24 look at the browser comparison, for those who don't know shit (lotharn) Jul 17 06:21:35 (russtora, you too) Jul 17 06:22:25 well i guess your right Jul 17 06:22:31 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid3 Jul 17 06:22:33 * TommyBres acts surprised? Jul 17 06:22:40 its new Jul 17 06:23:38 uhm Jul 17 06:23:40 its not final yet Jul 17 06:23:48 haha *3.8* inches! Jul 17 06:23:52 so excited Jul 17 06:23:52 * zinx wonders what the Acid3 test has to do with the usefulness of a *MOBILE* web browser Jul 17 06:24:04 * TommyBres wonders the same thing Jul 17 06:24:11 mmm... acid Jul 17 06:24:24 its a browser rendering accuracy test Jul 17 06:24:46 skip to 4:00 into that youtube video Jul 17 06:25:01 lotharn: right.. but layout is what matters for a mobile browser Jul 17 06:25:02 * duplexer using acid to digest Jul 17 06:25:29 actually Jul 17 06:25:32 sure this is layout and rendering Jul 17 06:25:40 skip to 4:50 Jul 17 06:25:45 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aiw5PsQ50Uc&eurl=http://www.mobile88.com/cellphone/HTC/HTC-Touch-HD/video.asp%3FTitle%3DHTC%2520Touch%2520HD%2520vs%2520iPhone%2520vs%2520Omnia%26ID%3D1824&feature=player_embedded Jul 17 06:25:52 skip to 4:50 and shush plzkthx Jul 17 06:27:01 i'm pretty sure that's safari throwing text and images on top of each other because it blows Jul 17 06:27:16 fwinmob Jul 17 06:27:41 k Jul 17 06:27:41 TommyBres, did you look at the browser link i sent you? Jul 17 06:27:46 opera>safari case closed Jul 17 06:27:55 lotharn yes i did, and i dont even know what the hell that test means Jul 17 06:27:58 it has a comparison chart Jul 17 06:28:04 with screenshot Jul 17 06:28:06 it's not proven and standardized like any sort of benchmark Jul 17 06:28:13 it's a bullshit test that says "hay look at our scores guise" Jul 17 06:28:27 TommyBres, read the article Jul 17 06:28:39 it's 2:30 in the morning... Jul 17 06:29:06 lotharn: it's not /mobile/ layout :/ Jul 17 06:29:15 and on that note i really have to get ready and get to bed Jul 17 06:29:15 what? Jul 17 06:29:40 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid3#Mobile_browsers Jul 17 06:29:48 lotharn: Acid3 is a test for properly rendering HTML/CSS, and has nothing to do with how well it's able to render for a mobile device, such that it's usable Jul 17 06:30:02 lotharn: you can properly render something and still have it be nearly unusable Jul 17 06:30:24 k Jul 17 06:32:57 zinx ftw Jul 17 06:34:05 later all Jul 17 06:38:03 typhoon direct hit coming this weekend to HK... Jul 17 06:38:20 I will be in Paris at the time :D Jul 17 06:46:36 I'm looking forward to that SE Xperia Rachael or whatever it's called. Jul 17 06:47:12 I just hope they open source the kernel config. ;/ Jul 17 06:49:42 who here is using the htc music player? worth getting over the stock one? Jul 17 06:53:26 what HTC music player? Jul 17 06:57:43 might actually get some paid Android work :) Jul 17 07:00:03 Leeds: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=530572&page=14 Jul 17 07:00:31 ah, it's a Hero thing? Jul 17 07:03:48 I want to push the Hero HTC Album onto a non-hero Magic... Jul 17 07:09:26 Dear Brothers and Sisters... Jul 17 07:10:15 android kernel compilation breaks during binder compilation Jul 17 07:10:31 * Wickednix yawns and looks around Jul 17 07:11:21 i m getting following error messages Jul 17 07:11:26 /tmp/ccaWQwBr.s: Assembler messages: Jul 17 07:11:27 /tmp/ccaWQwBr.s:11322: Error: constant expression required -- `mrc p15,0,r0,c0,c0,CPUID_CACHETYPE' Jul 17 07:11:27 * Wickednix looks for his GenericNode Jul 17 07:12:25 any pointers!!!:) Jul 17 07:19:10 http://marc.info/?l=dri-devel&m=124777113722301&w=2 Jul 17 07:19:49 needs mdp to be supported first and pointless with pmem gles driver Jul 17 07:26:00 wow heros memorys usage is so weird Jul 17 07:26:08 its not "instant" Jul 17 07:27:27 what do you mean by that Jul 17 07:30:22 tmzt: example; i had 2 settings switchers, battery widget on one screen, the full mail widget on another, and the mini caldendar widget on the third screen Jul 17 07:30:40 i added the mini music player widget the free memory dropped from 27mb to 2mb Jul 17 07:31:02 i removed the music player widget and it took it about 30 seconds to go back to the 20's~ area Jul 17 07:32:08 now i removed the mail widget, added big clock and full twitter widget and turned down the birghtness and seems to be stable at 14mb~ Jul 17 07:33:16 which pefrect cuz i need to run some stuff in the background(which is almost nothing) and usually browsing all the time(which is a max of 6mb right; cache size...?) Jul 17 07:35:09 where are you getting the free memory readout? Jul 17 07:35:20 "Free" Jul 17 07:35:32 or should i use meminfo? Jul 17 07:36:37 are you taking the cache into account? Jul 17 07:36:50 hm well yeah Jul 17 07:37:05 wait what cache? Jul 17 07:37:58 used+free=total, approximately Jul 17 07:38:35 wow now its getting more weird, when the phone is sleep the free memory drops low Jul 17 07:38:38 but the buffers and cache are used by the kernel, rather than any particular program, and they can (in general) just go away Jul 17 07:54:12 TouchFLO is pretty memory hungry I've found Jul 17 07:54:26 you got touchFLO on the g1? Jul 17 07:55:13 someone mentioned that TouchFLO alone with no widgets + kernel, normal apps, etc was pushing 200MB Jul 17 07:55:32 I don't know how they got their stats for that tho Jul 17 07:55:56 AgentBlair: I'm using Hero on my HTC Magic w/288MB memory Jul 17 07:56:06 hero ROM? Jul 17 07:56:12 yes Jul 17 07:56:35 wow that was dumped kewl Jul 17 07:56:51 http://radixgadgets.blogspot.com/ Jul 17 07:57:02 there's my blog about it all Jul 17 07:58:18 The HTC People app seems very slow to me. Jul 17 07:58:41 now if only i can put that on my fuze Jul 17 08:06:14 * Radix_ starts writing a Sapphire/Magic Hacking wiki page because the xda forums are just full of confusion. Jul 17 08:11:55 http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Sapphire_Hacking if anyone wants to contribute Jul 17 08:26:25 <_IanPM-> dudes, the HTC Hero is amazing Jul 17 08:27:45 IanPM, why? Jul 17 08:27:57 HTCs extras really help Jul 17 08:28:10 it seems much, much more responsive than the Magic Jul 17 08:28:20 built-in exchange is ace too Jul 17 08:28:26 ah, sounds reasonable Jul 17 08:28:34 Of course, I know some places have Exchange on the Magic Jul 17 08:28:39 but no Vodafone UK Jul 17 08:28:41 *more* responsive? Jul 17 08:28:45 exchange support is good Jul 17 08:28:55 yehah, it feels much more responsive Jul 17 08:29:08 I haven't had any "force close" nonsense yet Jul 17 08:29:14 wait... do you mean the build or the device? Jul 17 08:29:32 well, it's a different OS really isn't it Jul 17 08:29:44 no, it is not Jul 17 08:29:53 depends on how you define OS Jul 17 08:29:56 it's pretty much a skin Jul 17 08:29:57 is it not optimised? Jul 17 08:30:27 This is what I'm not sure about Jul 17 08:30:43 I want to know what happens when Google does an OTA update to Donut Jul 17 08:30:57 will the Hero update, or will HTC have to do its own update Jul 17 08:31:16 htc will have to do its own update Jul 17 08:31:21 the hardware is almost the same as the Magic, so I don't understand where the extra stability comes in Jul 17 08:31:30 more ram Jul 17 08:31:42 yeah, I guess, but it's not much more, is it? Jul 17 08:32:04 and as I understood it, there were Magics that had more ram than the Vodafone one Jul 17 08:32:41 true, some magics apparently have 288MiB Jul 17 08:33:05 the Hero is 300 and something isn't it? Jul 17 08:34:02 no, also 288MiB... Jul 17 08:34:19 :o Jul 17 08:34:26 #winmobi Jul 17 08:34:30 so what's the standard Magic hardware? Jul 17 08:35:27 there are two standards Jul 17 08:35:46 (nice thing about standards: so many of them) Jul 17 08:35:51 l4u: afternoon! Jul 17 08:35:59 I'm gussing the service providers opt to save money by downsizing the ram Jul 17 08:36:07 do i need to register as an android developer in order to join the ADC2? Jul 17 08:36:19 I guess so, since you need to publish your app on the market Jul 17 08:36:39 * Leeds waves to l4u from Sheung Wan Jul 17 08:36:40 Leeds: how abt teams? Jul 17 08:36:54 *someone* needs to publish it... Jul 17 08:37:00 :O alot of people in here Jul 17 08:37:16 hi Jul 17 08:37:24 Leeds: i see Jul 17 08:37:26 anyone rebuilt kernel for the emulator? Jul 17 08:37:43 l4u: where are you? Jul 17 08:38:06 Leeds: Sai Kung Jul 17 08:38:22 ah, clean air and open water :) Jul 17 08:38:26 Leeds: u work in sheung wan? Jul 17 08:38:35 yup - and live at the other end Jul 17 08:39:38 not too many Hong Kongers in here Jul 17 08:41:28 Fjodor: \o/ En Dansker! Jul 17 08:44:00 LeAstrale: Jeps :-) Jul 17 08:53:02 Hi, does someone know what a GSM CSD (data call) is? If yes, has someone succeeded (does someone attempt) to make one with android? Jul 17 08:53:36 I wouldn't be surprised to find that Android had no support for CSD Jul 17 08:53:41 yes Jul 17 08:53:50 plinder: wasnt that dialup from a mobile? Jul 17 08:53:53 with android, probably not Jul 17 08:53:58 why do you want it? Jul 17 08:54:08 but amss supports it I believe Jul 17 08:54:08 for the same reason that it probably doesn't have support for acoustic couplers Jul 17 08:54:15 to use it as serial connection between two phones... Jul 17 08:54:16 I think mickeyl tested it Jul 17 08:54:45 I did it on openmokos freerunners Jul 17 08:54:47 it just maybe that the ril doesn't support it Jul 17 08:55:04 the ril? Jul 17 08:55:11 mickey lauener? Jul 17 08:55:14 if you can boot from recovery with alt-x you should be able to it Jul 17 08:55:18 yes Jul 17 08:55:27 I think it was him Jul 17 08:55:46 ril - radio interace layer Jul 17 08:55:51 thx for the tipp. Jul 17 08:55:54 ey Jul 17 08:56:01 c library seperating the modem for java code Jul 17 08:56:10 is it normal that the send function in Galery doenst work? Jul 17 08:56:26 it never sends the mail with the photo Jul 17 08:56:31 he started to work on fso for gsm touch pros Jul 17 08:56:38 which are very similar Jul 17 08:56:43 @tmzt that would be the thing I am looking for... Jul 17 08:57:05 as dalvik has no API I guess... Jul 17 08:57:10 the you need to follow the real debian boot starp method Jul 17 08:57:19 mgolisch: you mean "Share"? Jul 17 08:57:27 replace it with oe if you prefer Jul 17 08:57:54 plinder: looking for fso for g1 you mean? Jul 17 08:58:41 Leeds: maybe its named share in english Jul 17 08:58:52 Leeds: i select that then select gmail Jul 17 08:58:56 but it never sends the mail Jul 17 08:59:00 realy annoying Jul 17 08:59:05 definitely works here - I just sent myself an email Jul 17 08:59:13 any other idea i would get the photos off the phone without a cable Jul 17 08:59:21 are you sure it doesn't work? the email doesn't arrive, or it doesn't show in "Sent" on the gmail website? Jul 17 08:59:37 Leeds: neither Jul 17 09:00:15 mgolisch: check your log :P Jul 17 09:00:48 100% sure it works here Jul 17 09:01:45 tmzt: no... I would like to check if it is possible with the android platform. The final goal is to find a widely distributed platform, that supports CSD calls. E.g. SymbianOS/WebOS/iPhoneOS/Android. I know it is supported in fso. Jul 17 09:02:05 ah, okay Jul 17 09:02:18 ...as long as Openmoko is frozen. Jul 17 09:02:41 it's possible it's supported, unfortuantely we don't have source for the shipped version of the ril Jul 17 09:03:10 the java code might tell you if it works, android.git.kernel.org Jul 17 09:03:16 forget which repo Jul 17 09:03:24 might be the base support one Jul 17 09:03:44 I will check that Jul 17 09:03:55 I don't know if you can cat/echo to /dev/smd0 and dial csd Jul 17 09:04:07 how nice it would be to have the sources :-) Jul 17 09:04:10 or if it will be over that channel or one of the data channels Jul 17 09:04:49 which aren't supported on g1 I believe Jul 17 09:05:03 hm if I can directly access the modem... it should work as long as the modem does support it Jul 17 09:05:12 right Jul 17 09:05:13 yes, I think that is mainly the problem... Jul 17 09:05:20 the g1 has no support... Jul 17 09:05:33 if it's inband on the AT channel Jul 17 09:05:37 and no one thought about an API for data calls.. Jul 17 09:05:45 which is /dev/smd0 Jul 17 09:05:53 no Jul 17 09:05:56 just qmi Jul 17 09:06:06 for starting gprs/3g Jul 17 09:06:24 over the rmnet shared memory ethernet device Jul 17 09:10:20 I will now have a look at the sources, thx for the tipp! Jul 17 09:24:36 Does android support stereo bluetooth ? I am thinking about buying a bluetooth microphone with headphone support so I can listen to music... Jul 17 09:28:15 Schmidt: yes Jul 17 09:29:14 t4c: Thank you. It didn't say on my operators homepage :/ Jul 17 09:29:47 Schmidt: you're welcome Jul 17 09:32:53 I have a Jabra BT3030 which works fine Jul 17 09:33:06 on my G1 Jul 17 09:34:01 (Jabra BT3030 is a BT headphone thing with microphone for phone and music) Jul 17 09:38:39 and while we are on the subject, I'm surprised how little BT drains the accu. With previous phones BT used to half battery time. With my G1 difference is hardly noticable. Jul 17 09:39:15 Schmidt: the first release(s) of Android didn't support A2DP, but 1.5 and newer do Jul 17 10:18:01 berth: accum ? Jul 17 10:18:06 berth: accu. ? Jul 17 10:19:38 anybody know how to set the clock from the command line? Jul 17 10:20:13 pli: still here? Jul 17 10:20:23 scootley: hwclock/date ? Jul 17 10:21:18 tmzt: date doesn't seem to take the options that I am familiar with from linux. i'll look at hwclock Jul 17 10:21:43 you need both Jul 17 10:21:48 tmzt: sorry, accu is another word for battery over here (in holland) Jul 17 10:21:55 okay Jul 17 10:22:07 yeah, that makes sense Jul 17 10:23:48 what's the right device for hwclock? Jul 17 10:24:35 I think it's a syscall Jul 17 10:24:40 or Jul 17 10:24:46 '/dev/rtc Jul 17 10:25:17 ah right, there might not be a driver because it uses proc-comm/rpc Jul 17 10:25:27 not sure Jul 17 10:39:52 hello how can i use the adb ppp function? Jul 17 10:42:09 hello Jul 17 10:42:22 not sure what that does actually Jul 17 10:43:43 i hope to get internetaccess via usb on my netbook, without using a proxy on the g1 Jul 17 10:44:16 ah Jul 17 10:44:17 wohoo Jul 17 10:44:30 * neure got debian run in emulator Jul 17 10:46:14 cool Jul 17 10:46:23 instructions somewhere? Jul 17 10:46:46 mirkix: wifi? Jul 17 10:47:29 wifi and 3g are running well, but you have to install a proxy on the android phone Jul 17 10:48:22 but i want to get the connection without the proxy. i found the command adb ppp, but there are no informations how to use it Jul 17 10:49:02 i will try at the weekend, i bhope to have success Jul 17 10:50:47 mirkix: there are few ways Jul 17 10:50:52 without proxy you have to use wifi currently Jul 17 10:51:11 the ppp thing is for something but I never figured out what Jul 17 10:54:23 tmzt, http://www.koushikdutta.com/2008/12/setting-up-native-build-environment-for.html Jul 17 10:54:32 tmzt, somewhat outdated Jul 17 10:54:42 okay Jul 17 10:54:44 you need to build the kernel yourself Jul 17 10:54:52 didn't know that used debian Jul 17 10:54:57 or you mean Jul 17 10:55:07 not android emulator, just qemu Jul 17 10:55:26 versatile? Jul 17 10:56:02 i dont think android stuff runs in standard qemu Jul 17 10:56:17 I'm going to by the HTC Hero when it's released. But am I able to update Android when a new version is released? Jul 17 10:56:18 android emulator is based on qemu but they've done lots of modifications Jul 17 10:56:24 it should be able to Jul 17 10:56:28 right Jul 17 10:56:37 but mostly for goldfish Jul 17 10:57:05 you think android could run in standard qemu? Jul 17 10:57:10 has anyone tried it? Jul 17 10:57:36 sure Jul 17 10:57:40 which soc? Jul 17 10:58:14 So Im able to update the HTC Hero when a new version is released? Jul 17 10:58:25 no idea Jul 17 10:58:35 hmmh Jul 17 10:58:41 it's an htc version of android, not same as tmo Jul 17 10:58:53 it was discussed earlier Jul 17 10:59:06 though without logs that's not very helpful Jul 17 10:59:41 But if I have the G1 then? Jul 17 11:00:05 Can't it be updated? Jul 17 11:00:09 sorry? Jul 17 11:00:15 yes, but to what? Jul 17 11:00:37 what's a good (not too overloaded) video player app? Jul 17 11:00:51 overloaded? Jul 17 11:00:53 tmzt: get new android versions and updates. Jul 17 11:00:56 not sure Jul 17 11:01:13 tmzt, disregard the 'not too overloaded' Jul 17 11:01:18 Louie`: yes, but not the Sense ui, officially, from what we know Jul 17 11:01:38 I don't know what a good video player is Jul 17 11:01:52 Louie`: htc hero does not run stock android Jul 17 11:02:03 maybe you could put a stock android on it - no idea Jul 17 11:02:21 Okay, thanks. Jul 17 11:02:30 sipa1024: whats a stock android? Jul 17 11:02:39 i mean an unmodified one Jul 17 11:02:43 Like Android with everything? Jul 17 11:02:47 Ah, okay. Jul 17 11:02:50 Good to know. Jul 17 11:03:05 What mobile is for stock android then? =) Jul 17 11:03:32 dunno to what extent they all modify it Jul 17 11:03:34 I would like to write my own apps and add to the phone, HTC Hero look very nice, hopefully it can do it. Jul 17 11:03:48 Okay. Jul 17 11:04:06 but as apparently people have been able to run the hero rom on magic phones Jul 17 11:04:27 oh, sweet. Jul 17 11:04:39 with some features not-working Jul 17 11:04:46 like? Jul 17 11:04:46 But there is ability to write own apps and add to it? Jul 17 11:04:55 there is always some i guess. Jul 17 11:05:16 Louie`: i don't see why you shouldn't be able to add own apps to its Jul 17 11:05:23 that's android's greatest strength Jul 17 11:05:37 Good! :) Jul 17 11:05:52 Would be nice to have python support and not just java. Jul 17 11:06:50 ase? Jul 17 11:06:56 ase? Jul 17 11:07:14 android scripting environment Jul 17 11:07:24 arse? Jul 17 11:07:26 *scnr* Jul 17 11:07:36 So much short words :p Jul 17 11:07:50 does the ase support python? Jul 17 11:08:19 don't know Jul 17 11:08:24 Louie`: no this is why tmzt suggested this. Jul 17 11:08:24 lua I think Jul 17 11:08:28 It does. Jul 17 11:08:32 http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/ Jul 17 11:08:35 Here's another useful script. This time, in Python. Jul 17 11:08:37 """Say chat messages aloud as they are received.""" Jul 17 11:08:37 import android Jul 17 11:08:39 ... Jul 17 11:08:51 wow Jul 17 11:08:52 Python, Lua and BeanShell are currently supported, and we're planning to add Ruby and JavaScript support, as well. Jul 17 11:09:00 okay Jul 17 11:09:03 WIHO! Jul 17 11:09:08 So nice! :D Jul 17 11:09:16 javascript? without dom? Jul 17 11:09:22 what's the point? Jul 17 11:09:24 I guess it uses jPython Jul 17 11:09:58 scala would be cool Jul 17 11:09:59 tmzt: javascript without the dom is a perfectly reasonable little language Jul 17 11:10:05 tmzt: hell, the dom is the part that sucks anyway Jul 17 11:10:18 To good to be true :) Jul 17 11:10:55 ah, like e4j Jul 17 11:11:03 e4x Jul 17 11:12:09 What development tools do I need? Jul 17 11:12:22 I think some people attempted to port perl, but I haven't heard of anyone getting anywhere Jul 17 11:12:36 Is there som apps so I can get a virtual phone? Jul 17 11:12:39 I use Mac OS X Jul 17 11:13:18 Louie`: virtual phone? Jul 17 11:13:40 the emulator is part of the SDK Jul 17 11:13:50 ah, okay. Jul 17 11:13:54 Im going for the SDK then Jul 17 11:17:36 meridian looks great (video player) Jul 17 11:18:40 Newbie question.. is there a way to get Android to connect to ad hoc wifi networks? Jul 17 11:20:34 i just noticed after installing openssh-server i need network to actually use it :D Jul 17 11:21:45 JoeBrain: yes, read the tethering howto Jul 17 11:22:00 oooh tethering Jul 17 11:22:36 Is that on the Dev Guide on developer.android.com? Jul 17 11:22:45 no Jul 17 11:22:54 android-dls.com Jul 17 11:22:58 thx much Jul 17 11:41:42 well Jul 17 11:41:59 made it 8 days so far without smoking Jul 17 11:42:03 :-) Jul 17 11:43:10 * berth 5 Years, 10 months, one week, one day, 15 hours, 42 minutes, 25 seconds Jul 17 11:43:26 how can i replace my lib with jni code, when i press "run as" in eclipse old one is not replaced Jul 17 11:44:00 adb.exe shell rm /system/lib/libgltest.so says that system is read-only Jul 17 11:50:02 it probably is Jul 17 11:50:10 why are you doing that? Jul 17 11:50:36 it shouldn't be in /system/lib anyway Jul 17 11:51:06 i make some changes to my lib. i want my applicaion use new lib, that's what i want Jul 17 11:51:28 uh, ok Jul 17 11:51:57 and data has noexec? Jul 17 11:52:02 I see Jul 17 11:52:12 so mount -o remount,rw / Jul 17 11:54:52 is ASE going to make it possible to put scripts on market? Jul 17 11:55:17 you mean adb.exe shell mount -o remount ,rw / ? Jul 17 11:55:23 yes Jul 17 11:55:26 "adb remount" works too innit? Jul 17 11:55:29 or adb shell Jul 17 11:55:34 oh, ok Jul 17 11:56:30 Macer: I tried quitting yesterday, lasted 2 hours about Jul 17 11:56:40 mount takes different args Jul 17 11:57:03 [-r] [-w] [-o options] Jul 17 11:58:20 calebr, tried "adb remount"? Jul 17 11:58:26 Hey All. I just set up eclipse and the android sdk on my Mac.. Everything seems to have been installed OK, but when I try to run the Hello,Android test app, the emulator comes up but just sits at the "home" screen.. the Hello android message never comes up. Jul 17 11:59:22 Kinnoken: it works, thx Jul 17 11:59:25 I see that the "Uploading Helloandroid.apk onto device " is sucessful.. and it says "startign activity" Jul 17 11:59:50 calebr, it does, but it's better to understand how the actual mount command works. Jul 17 11:59:52 last message is Activity Manager: Starting : intent... Jul 17 11:59:58 and hints? Jul 17 12:00:05 sure Jul 17 12:00:38 mount -o remount,rw /dev/block/mtdblock3 /system Jul 17 12:00:46 Oh.. wait.. I clicked the "Home" button on the emulator and now I see the correct screen. Jul 17 12:39:22 does eric chu ever come here Jul 17 12:40:57 don't think so Jul 17 12:42:57 Good morning every one :D Jul 17 12:43:52 Good morning Jul 17 12:44:27 good evening Jul 17 12:44:34 I was waiting for that Jul 17 12:44:36 :) Jul 17 12:45:12 lets add g'day Jul 17 12:45:57 DubLo7: why? :p Jul 17 12:46:14 its 14:46 here in berlin/germany Jul 17 12:46:31 there's a long time I don't get into a funny channel Jul 17 12:47:16 gd morn'n ya'll Jul 17 12:49:14 51m6.938s to build android on this 3GHz Intel Core2 Duo Fedora box Jul 17 12:50:05 is there an easy way to "make -j" this process if its not already to take advantage of more CPU if possible? Jul 17 12:50:09 Will i see a benefit using a Quadcore? Jul 17 12:50:16 XD Jul 17 12:50:30 "Chat using google talk" Jul 17 12:50:39 where do I change my google talk settings for my account? Jul 17 12:50:52 becuse there is no respond when I click that button for a contact. Jul 17 12:54:26 Menu -> Settings? Jul 17 12:54:34 Oh, you mean google talk doesn't come up? Jul 17 12:55:32 yea Jul 17 12:55:45 I can understand Settings but where. Jul 17 12:56:03 Damn... Here in Brazil G1 mobile is almost not an option... in the blackmarket: R$ 1200 to 1500... and in 'whitemarket' I get an IPhone 3GS for 1800 - 1900... :-/ Jul 17 12:56:03 In your app list, is google talk in there? Jul 17 12:57:16 no. Jul 17 12:57:40 Can you find it on the market? Jul 17 12:58:08 Vernon_at_work: what do you mean precisely (concerning the make -j) ? Jul 17 12:58:40 sipa1024: i'm trying a"make -j" now to see if my builds go any faster Jul 17 12:58:56 Multi-threading or something. Jul 17 12:59:17 -j [jobs], --jobs[=jobs] Jul 17 12:59:17 Specifies the number of jobs (commands) to run simultaneously. If there is more than one -j Jul 17 12:59:17 option, the last one is effective. If the -j option is given without an argument, make will not Jul 17 12:59:17 limit the number of jobs that can run simultaneously. Jul 17 13:00:00 Vernon_at_work: yes i know what it means, but as far as i know, make will not make use of multithreading unless specified so Jul 17 13:00:52 sipa1024: so then how would _you_ specify that? Jul 17 13:01:42 Vernon_at_work: i just didn't understand your question Jul 17 13:02:18 sipa1024: i was just trying to speed up the build .. if you know howto do that please let me know Jul 17 13:03:10 Hi guys. Can I just check, are you the channel for the Google Android Open Source Project? Jul 17 13:03:21 Haggisburger: yes Jul 17 13:03:30 YAY! Cheers. Jul 17 13:03:35 which is why it says that in the /topic :P Jul 17 13:04:03 I was just checking cause I've got a mate of mine here with android on his mobile. Jul 17 13:04:07 I'll catch you later Jul 17 13:04:10 i gotta go Jul 17 13:04:24 er... bye then Jul 17 13:05:48 kny? Jul 17 13:05:54 nevermind Jul 17 13:24:18 hello, i have a question about layout Jul 17 13:24:23 can anyone here please help me Jul 17 13:26:15 Ayman: you'll need to actually ask a question before anyone can answer it... we're good - we're not *that* good Jul 17 13:28:35 thanks for replying leeds, How can I set layout margin in code ? Jul 17 13:29:18 if I knew what you meant by layout margin... but in general, you can set anything in code which you can in XML Jul 17 13:29:33 and how can i set set layout padding in code, but with Density-independent Pixels Jul 17 13:29:56 there are no hits for "layout margin" in the docs Jul 17 13:31:04 margins are the distance that the view takes out, like spacing but from the outside. It's used when you want to make distances between views. Jul 17 13:31:36 I can set it in XML, but can't find the function to set it in the code. Jul 17 13:31:53 29m47.843s with "make -j" verses 51m6.938s with just "make" Jul 17 13:32:02 Vernon_at_work, thought so. :3 Jul 17 13:32:11 Vernon_at_work, thanks for the update. Jul 17 13:32:17 Let's hope it compiled properly. Jul 17 13:32:19 Vernon_at_work: did you give a number after the '-j' ? Jul 17 13:32:35 sipa1024: nope Jul 17 13:32:42 http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/View.html#setPadding(int,%20int,%20int,%20int) Jul 17 13:33:08 i'm not sure how they implement it, but the docs say that without any number, it will not limit the number of jobs Jul 17 13:33:41 depending on how your ram/disk io is, it might be better to use '-j 2' or '-j 3' if you have a dual-core machine Jul 17 13:33:42 http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/View.html#setLayoutParams%28android.view.ViewGroup.LayoutParams%29 Jul 17 13:33:48 itp: sort of. Settings -> Backlight allows you to specify how you want the display to happen. It defaults to "always on" but you can set it to "on with gps" and "on near turn" and "use device's settings". the last one might be closest to what you're thinking. Jul 17 13:33:50 Ayman: those links are for you Jul 17 13:34:23 so now that pixelpipe is non-free, what is the best app for pushing pics to facebook/flickr/etc ? Jul 17 13:37:44 Good morning... so I've set up adb to work on Ubuntu before and I was trying to get the udev rules right on FC10. Does anyone know if this should be anything different or extra I need to do? Jul 17 13:39:48 glad I could help, blau-mikeDG Jul 17 13:40:06 lol Jul 17 13:40:13 i was looking for the svn for gv Jul 17 13:40:16 i found it Jul 17 13:40:39 Ayman: I have an answer for you, but I guess you don't want it Jul 17 13:40:39 trying to get some form of google voice working on my pre Jul 17 13:41:09 * OEP has the Voice app installed but no account :P Jul 17 13:43:38 * Leeds wants a typhoon warning Jul 17 13:44:16 Ayman: hello? Jul 17 13:45:48 Ayman: please learn how to use IRC, then go read http://developer.android.com/reference/android/util/DisplayMetrics.html Jul 17 13:46:13 vol_: would "use device's setting" allow the screen to blank as normal, but voice directions to continue? Jul 17 13:46:20 lawlz Jul 17 13:46:53 vol_: the use case i'm contemplating is using copilot while riding my motorcycle, and there's no point in having the display both on and rendering pretty pictures if i'm not able to look at it Jul 17 13:47:00 Leeds, if you use setLayoutParams(int,int) and pass two int, they will be fixed pixels Jul 17 13:47:17 Leeds: i want to use dp instead of fixed pixels Jul 17 13:47:37 Leeds: I am sory, but I can see it, maybe I am blind. still i need help please Jul 17 13:47:39 you can't... but you can apply a scaling factor at runtime Jul 17 13:47:56 any of you guys familiar with running android on the beagleboard? Jul 17 13:47:57 and where can i apply it ? Jul 17 13:48:21 hmm... your left nostril? Jul 17 13:48:30 SoulBlad:http://labs.embinux.org/index.php/Android_Porting_Guide_to_Beagle_Board Jul 17 13:48:54 yea ive been there - downloaded an image from them also - booted it but its asking me to connect a charger.. Jul 17 13:48:57 where might you think you'd apply a scaling factor when you've got a value pixels and you want scaled pixels? Jul 17 13:49:07 itp: if I recall correctly, yes, we just don't request a whassit, screen lock or something Jul 17 13:49:13 and the resolution is definitely not 1280x720, which i know this beagle can do since i've had it do that running angstrom Jul 17 13:49:27 we'll still play audio and perform guidance Jul 17 13:50:02 Leeds: i don't want to use any value pixles, so how to set the scalling factor to be scaled pixels Jul 17 13:50:34 Leeds: I mean static pixels value Jul 17 13:50:36 vol_: very nice, thanks for your help Jul 17 13:51:25 Ayman: apply a little logic, please Jul 17 13:52:21 Leeds, I am sory Leeds, I have been searching for this for like 8 constant hours. and my mental applities are really down. I know that I saw the solution in front of my eyes, but now I can't get it. Jul 17 13:52:36 you have a value in pixels Jul 17 13:52:42 you have a scaling factor Jul 17 13:52:47 you want scaled pixels Jul 17 13:53:00 how can you put these things together to form a solution? Jul 17 13:53:13 multiply them :) Jul 17 13:53:15 itp: I'm honestly surprised you can hear audio on your motorcycle, or do you use headphones? Jul 17 13:53:25 have you tried that? Jul 17 13:53:29 out of interest, where are you? Jul 17 13:53:30 nope Jul 17 13:53:39 :) Jul 17 13:53:50 Leed , can I talk you privately ? \ Jul 17 13:53:59 not about Android... Jul 17 13:54:03 not about android Jul 17 13:54:08 Cyber? Jul 17 13:55:03 kny: you here? Jul 17 13:55:11 yes Jul 17 13:55:49 how abotu reqriting gv in javascript Jul 17 13:56:12 ha ha Jul 17 13:56:27 Ayman: doesn't multiplying them work? Jul 17 13:56:37 blau-mikeDG, go for it Jul 17 13:56:43 I'm not interested, however :) Jul 17 13:57:36 i cant figure out how to stay logged in Jul 17 13:57:46 like i think i logged in, but im supposed to get a cookie back right? Jul 17 13:58:25 which i dont know how to do in js :( Jul 17 13:58:42 document.cookies Jul 17 13:58:54 also, use ClientLogin Jul 17 13:59:06 ServiceLogin won't work in ~6 weeks Jul 17 13:59:16 https://www.google.com/accounts/ClientLogin Jul 17 13:59:19 im using that Jul 17 13:59:22 okay, good Jul 17 13:59:23 right? Jul 17 13:59:36 you'll get back a bunch of tokens Jul 17 13:59:44 take the Auth one and store it into a "gv" cookie Jul 17 14:00:14 and im getting back, SID, LSID, and Auth Jul 17 14:00:18 yep Jul 17 14:00:32 split the Auth one, store it, and throw away the rest Jul 17 14:00:36 Ayman: as the description of the 'density' attribute says, it's the scaling factor used to map between pixels and dip for a particular display Jul 17 14:01:44 Leeds, I need to read more about the concept of density, as I thought it was something else Jul 17 14:01:57 Leeds: thanks for your help Jul 17 14:01:58 blau-mikeDG, you can /msg me if you want Jul 17 14:02:15 point is, on a 160dpi screen, density is 1, so one pixel is one dip Jul 17 14:02:48 oh, too late Jul 17 14:03:07 vol_: headphones inside the helmet Jul 17 14:04:01 ok, cool. Jul 17 14:04:13 have you been driving with copilot yet? Jul 17 14:04:55 nope, haven't tried it yet -- newegg finally delivered my new sd card, which makes installing something that large feasible Jul 17 14:05:30 although, i probably won't get to give it a shot for another week, since i'm getting married in a week and i've got plenty of other stuff to do Jul 17 14:06:04 oh, congratulations! Jul 17 14:06:25 you don't have to get the entire continent at once, btw, you can just download states individually. NJ is about 50MB for example. Jul 17 14:06:42 we need free gps Jul 17 14:06:48 google maps Jul 17 14:07:08 vol_: before app2sd i probably didn't have the space for the app itself, either Jul 17 14:07:12 oh, and thanks :) Jul 17 14:07:15 ha Jul 17 14:07:40 no problem. Jul 17 14:07:48 <[Soul]> any idea why i can cat /dev/input/event0 and see junk when i move the mouse around, but no cursor or input interaction is apparent in the GUI? Jul 17 14:14:45 Good morning Jul 17 14:14:55 hi, what might be the reason that i have some app with textue on simulator and I don't on real phone? Jul 17 14:15:49 i load textures with Bitmap bitmap = BitmapFactory.decodeResource(mContext.getResources(), R.drawable.water); Jul 17 14:15:59 Good morning Jul 17 14:18:30 hmm so the mouse appears to be working w/ beagle, but i can't really track it - is there a console command i can run to display the cursor? Jul 17 14:44:32 I wish I knew some decent mobile websites that were interesting. So far I got nytimes, guardian, popurls, wikipedia, newyorker, salon.com and arstechnica on my Workspace 3. Need one more to fill a hole that is glaring. Jul 17 14:47:01 slashdot works much better on a regular phone than on android. Jul 17 14:47:06 Unfortunately. Jul 17 14:49:01 Yeah. I had metafilter... but I realized it is included in popurls. :) So is reddit, digg, metafilter, etc. Jul 17 14:49:07 Slashdot.. Jul 17 14:49:14 So popurls rules out a billion sites on its own. lol Jul 17 14:50:10 The thing I don't like about reddit/digg is they are filed with too much WTF. Jul 17 14:53:28 I don't read comments either. Jul 17 14:53:56 without comments Slashdot is much more tolerable. Jul 17 14:54:25 i just got hooked on google reader Jul 17 14:54:50 My googlereader is filled with too much crap. Jul 17 14:54:54 I need to clean it out. Jul 17 14:59:19 oh google reader Jul 17 14:59:23 I use NewsRob for that. Jul 17 14:59:38 NewsRob might be my favorite app for Android, except there is no setting to disable auto-rotate. Jul 17 14:59:45 I hate auto-rotate. Jul 17 15:09:58 k so all these background processes in my phone (showing in advanced task manager) Jul 17 15:10:08 shit like "HTC CHeckin service" or "DRM Protected Content Storage" Jul 17 15:10:12 what is that crap? Jul 17 15:10:18 also, do I need it? If not, how can I remove it? Jul 17 15:23:12 Hey guys I've been having a lot of problems with my phone recently. The gmail application, calendar, android market and basically anything else that requires syncing with google services is failing on my out-dated HTC Dream using firmware version 1.1 Jul 17 15:23:32 How to I restore my android phone to default factory settings like an iPhone restore? Jul 17 15:23:37 (On linux) Jul 17 15:24:27 This problem has virtually made my phone un-usable. Jul 17 15:25:13 Like a $1,500 brick (thats on a two year contract). Jul 17 15:26:07 lazzareth_ you can image the device, or you can go to the settings and look for the option to wipe it Jul 17 15:27:35 languish, I guess my only concern is my contact's how do I save them from being wiped in the process? Jul 17 15:28:24 lazzareth_ your contacts should be in your google contacts.. Jul 17 15:28:31 saved online Jul 17 15:29:00 then when you log back in to your google services on the phone, they'll re-sync Jul 17 15:30:04 So the settings menu option "Factory data reset" will do the trick? Jul 17 15:30:09 yep Jul 17 15:30:12 Nice :) Jul 17 15:30:30 just make sure your conatcts are saved online first Jul 17 15:30:37 log in via the web and look Jul 17 15:31:25 languish, I have :) Jul 17 15:31:25 if the factory data reset doesn't work, come back for troubleshooting Jul 17 15:31:32 good luck :) Jul 17 15:32:24 * sammyF intones the "Mission Impossible" theme Jul 17 15:32:32 :P Jul 17 15:35:40 Eeek! I get a message "There is a problem connecting with the Google servers." when I try to sign in. Jul 17 15:36:27 lazzareth_ I'm guessing your APN settings are incorrect Jul 17 15:36:47 I don't know what they should be for .au Jul 17 15:36:56 (or your provider) Jul 17 15:37:40 The problem can also be with your provider Jul 17 15:37:44 what provider Jul 17 15:37:54 If they support the HTC Dream, I suggest you call them Jul 17 15:38:21 or get the settings from thatsite Jul 17 15:38:22 They can lead you through making sure you have the correct APN settings Jul 17 15:38:47 I forgot it, but my adp1 quickstart guidehad it Jul 17 15:39:26 languish, Whats an APN? Jul 17 15:39:47 access point name Jul 17 15:40:12 settings for like internet and mms for you provider Jul 17 15:40:29 your* Jul 17 15:41:12 I have an APN in my phone for optus .. I cant tell if it is correct or not though. Jul 17 15:41:28 try to access the internet Jul 17 15:41:38 or mms Jul 17 15:41:54 AakashPatelADP1, Accessing the internet works fine. Jul 17 15:42:01 then... Jul 17 15:42:02 does it say 3g or H up at the top? Jul 17 15:42:06 or just regulary GPRS connection? Jul 17 15:42:19 3g Jul 17 15:42:47 whats the issue, Jul 17 15:42:48 ? Jul 17 15:42:49 (just joined) Jul 17 15:43:23 he can't connect to googles servers it seems Jul 17 15:43:29 AakashPatelADP1, I had a problem using anything on my phone that needed to sync to the google servers Jul 17 15:43:31 any music apps where you can search for artist/song/genre/ Jul 17 15:43:50 So I performed a factory reset and now I cant authenticate my phone Jul 17 15:43:52 jamendo Jul 17 15:44:00 grindking: Jamendo Jul 17 15:44:04 * AakashPatelADP1 would have a heart attack if he ever saw an H Jul 17 15:44:12 sammyf: you like it more than rockon or tunewiki? Jul 17 15:44:16 grindking: or do you mean for yout local stuff? Jul 17 15:44:29 edge is all i can get Jul 17 15:44:57 grindking: don't know those two, but Jamendo has some really great stuff (Brad Sucks, for example) Jul 17 15:45:02 I rarely get anything other than H or G here Jul 17 15:46:17 er i meant music apps for the phone Jul 17 15:46:40 AakashPatelADP1, languish: I've just used the browser to login to my gmail account and login to my google.com.au/ig page so I seem to have no problem connecting to the google servers... Jul 17 15:47:08 grindking, I'm working on one in my spare time Jul 17 15:47:18 grindking: well ... yeah. the question I asked was whether you meant "music radio apps" (in this case the Jamendo one is imo a good recommendation) or for your local stuff (in which case I personally use Meridian) Jul 17 15:47:30 KNY: you have spare time??? Jul 17 15:47:38 make something like songza Jul 17 15:47:44 sammyF, not enough :) Jul 17 15:47:55 I thought spare time only existed in children's stories... Jul 17 15:47:55 KNY: you got me worried ;) Jul 17 15:48:07 sammyf: ahh, yah i just meant something to organize my media on the sd card better Jul 17 15:48:10 it's a mess right now Jul 17 15:48:14 im trying that .nomedia stuff though Jul 17 15:48:30 jbq: seeing how we kill time a lot here, it's a wonder there is any spare time left Jul 17 15:48:59 +1 jbq Jul 17 15:50:00 lol Jul 17 15:50:45 AakashPatelADP1, languish: I've got it working! I just had to connect to a WiFi access point to handle the sign-in. Jul 17 15:50:58 oh Jul 17 15:51:03 wonder why Jul 17 15:59:35 hi all Jul 17 15:59:40 im having a problem with my G! Jul 17 15:59:46 g1* Jul 17 15:59:51 is this the right place to be? Jul 17 16:00:24 hrm. running JF firmware, and I'm getting prompted to update OTA. That seems like a bad idea Jul 17 16:02:15 James_B, depends on the problem. state the issue, if someone can help they may, or might point you in the right direction Jul 17 16:02:49 well it keeps crashing, black screen, unresponsive need to remove battery to reset Jul 17 16:02:55 lazzareth_ cool :) Jul 17 16:03:38 is there any way i return it to factory settings? its running rooted at the meoment with a custom cupcake build i beleive Jul 17 16:04:27 James_B: settings or firmware? very different questions Jul 17 16:04:33 James_B, yes. You can get the proper default image for your provider/region Jul 17 16:04:57 i need to reset the firmware i reckon, then i can rule out a software issue Jul 17 16:05:00 if you want to go back to deafult settings, not change the image... it's under settings Jul 17 16:06:13 i did it rom settings this morning, im going to need to replace the firmware with the original tmobile UK firmware Jul 17 16:06:16 from* Jul 17 16:06:57 do you know how to do it? Jul 17 16:07:53 no idea Jul 17 16:08:01 dont even know what the process is called Jul 17 16:08:14 any pointers to tutorials or even name of process would be appreciated Jul 17 16:08:23 i bought the phone online you see, pre rooted Jul 17 16:08:24 ok, I'm going to suggest you read a few pages/wiki's about how to flash the rom Jul 17 16:08:26 can an update.zip be applied from the console in recovery mode? (just so I can be lazy and reflash through adb) Jul 17 16:08:29 im starting to think i was sold a dud Jul 17 16:09:08 you can find such info here xda-developers.com and at the http://android-dls.com/ wiki Jul 17 16:09:23 you'll find links to the Uk firmware at xda devs too with a little looking around Jul 17 16:09:50 does this: http://code.google.com/p/android-roms/wiki/Unroot look legit to you? Jul 17 16:10:03 James_B, it may just be a battery issue. Even though the battery seems like it's fitting snugly, it may be losing connection momentarily. Jul 17 16:10:21 wouldnt that cause it to reboot rather than lock up? Jul 17 16:10:36 James_B, yes that is what you needs, EXCEPT you need the UK firmware Jul 17 16:10:43 -s Jul 17 16:10:46 ill wedge some paper in there to force it against the contacts, see if that helps Jul 17 16:10:56 no, the battery can get hot Jul 17 16:11:04 I don't know if it gets hot enough to light paper up or not Jul 17 16:11:14 but paper in the batter slot is a bad idea. Jul 17 16:11:17 flash point of paper is 200*C+ Jul 17 16:11:20 maybe some heat tolerant rubber Jul 17 16:11:41 Also, you may be creating a hot spot for the battery doing it :) Jul 17 16:12:00 adding insulation it wasn't designed for Jul 17 16:12:49 these are just warnings. it's your device to do what you like with :) Jul 17 16:13:20 I've got the firmware version 1.1 android system and I've just gone to the "Check for updates" system menu item and its telling me there are no updates available, I know for a fact Optus Australia said they wouldn't do a thing to help android users on their networks but I would have thought that seeing as I was connected via wifi that it could find the cupcake update on the internet? Jul 17 16:13:43 Is this possible? Jul 17 16:13:50 lazzareth_, it doesn't work that way Jul 17 16:14:16 languish, So theres no way to update my phone? Jul 17 16:14:20 right ill try dig out the uk firmware Jul 17 16:14:34 lazzareth_, if you want to update on a provider that doesn't provide updates, you'll need to flash a newer version rom yourself Jul 17 16:14:49 Which rom is right for you, I don't know. Jul 17 16:15:14 languish, Thats the kicker. Jul 17 16:15:28 lazzareth_ likely, you'll want the ADP1 rom, but that's just a guess Jul 17 16:16:09 This place should start getting a bit busier over the next hour or so Jul 17 16:16:22 you'll have more people with likely better input to give you Jul 17 16:16:40 languish, Well my current Build Number is: dream_stg-user 1.1 STG-RC8 128394 is there some kind of table I can look that up on to see which is the newer rom to flash with? Jul 17 16:17:01 languish, Its 00:16 and I need to get to sleep for work tomorrow :P Jul 17 16:17:04 lazzareth_, probably, but not that I know of Jul 17 16:17:13 sorry to bother you again languish, but do you know where i can get the UK firmware? Jul 17 16:17:21 James_B, hang on Jul 17 16:17:24 thanks Jul 17 16:18:03 Thanks for you help tonight anyway languish, my phones back in a working condition. Jul 17 16:19:21 I didn't do much, but glad it's working for ya :) Jul 17 16:19:56 James_B, I don't quicly see an original rom, but the UK JF roms are here at the bottom. They're hacked roms bya well known guy around here.. http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Quick_Root Jul 17 16:20:09 What channels does one go through to get a critical bug looked at? It's been listed on b.android.com but it has not had anyone become the owner of it. Jul 17 16:20:20 http://android-dls.com/files/jf/temp/JFv1.51_CRB43-EU.zip Jul 17 16:20:25 that's the UK version Jul 17 16:20:30 of the JF hacked rom Jul 17 16:20:35 is there a rogers version? Jul 17 16:21:03 I dodn't see rogers on that list Jul 17 16:21:06 *don't Jul 17 16:21:10 ceck the xda forums Jul 17 16:21:17 damnit, I can't type today fro crap Jul 17 16:22:14 It's a bluetooth headset bug: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1181&q=hands%20free&colspec=ID%20Type%20Version%20Security%20Status%20Owner%20Summary Jul 17 16:22:16 looks like there is a uk firmware (untouched) on that site... RC7NBH Jul 17 16:23:35 RC7 is an old version iirc Jul 17 16:23:46 but you may be able to "check for updates" once it's flashed on Jul 17 16:24:19 RC UK = RC29 USA. and I think you guys are up to RC8 or 9 Jul 17 16:24:40 i think ill make a forum post for clarification Jul 17 16:28:08 jpa http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=521488 Jul 17 16:31:03 James_B, go ahead with the stock RC7 upgrade. It will offer you the auto-upgrade after awhile, some got it quickly, others waited a few hours Jul 17 16:31:32 okey dokey, thankyou for your time :) Jul 17 16:32:59 no prob, good luck Jul 17 17:06:51 An update over marketplace is the same thing as doing adb install -r right? Jul 17 17:07:01 it shouldn't remove anything inside of the private dirs? Jul 17 17:11:21 \o Jul 17 17:11:58 * tech9iner gets great belly chuckles out of email newsletter subj line '''Microsoft Embraces Cloud Computing''' .... the great sux bit behind as it were.. Jul 17 17:15:50 hey, im Jul 17 17:16:18 hey i'm using anetshare on my g1 and it is working with one laptop , but the other won't get an ip over dhcp ( both linux ) anyone an idea? Jul 17 17:16:59 android uses a c lib called bionic is this right? Jul 17 17:17:04 littlewookie: you do realize only one wifi tether connection / ip at a time aye? Jul 17 17:17:05 yeah Jul 17 17:17:09 SoulBlade: yep Jul 17 17:17:22 tech9iner: i only try one connection at a time Jul 17 17:17:26 are you guys using OE? Jul 17 17:17:30 OE? Jul 17 17:17:35 using an OE environment rather - open embedded Jul 17 17:17:41 oh Jul 17 17:17:47 no Jul 17 17:18:19 littlewookie: mk.. just making shirley ;]].. me networking ignorance ASSumed g1's AP should work like a router.. multiples iow.. wrong again.. ;] Jul 17 17:19:27 littlewookie: as far as ideas.. must say.. in the tux world.. itsa 'per wifi chip maker' gamble on which one's drivers will connect with which AP's.. Jul 17 17:19:42 lollipop Jul 17 17:20:25 tech9iner: not today, it got much better, and both are intel chipsets Jul 17 17:21:08 littlewookie: i have a toshiba & an hp notebook here.. and my newest HP G60-120US Notebook PC sporting SUCKtard ASStheros Atheros 802.11a/g/n WiFi Adapter (AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) is a pain some days.. Jul 17 17:21:42 So does anybody know what the official word is regarding the battery charge plateau? I remember back on 1.0 it charged in a very quick, linear fashion, but ever since ADP1.5 it's seemed to charge quickly up to like 40% and then charge very slowly the rest of the way up to 100% Jul 17 17:21:51 I'm assuming that's the desired behaviour. Jul 17 17:21:59 guys, wich mobiles can run android? Jul 17 17:22:11 Or if not desired, at least intended ;) Jul 17 17:22:29 g1, mytouch3g/magic, hero, i7500 Jul 17 17:23:04 I'm really hoping someday another Android device with a physical keyboard gets released :P Jul 17 17:24:00 I'm anxiously awaiting something with double the pixels, >= 256MB ram, and ideally one of the current CPUs (like the palm pre or iphone 3gs) Jul 17 17:24:32 Igashu, i doubt it will happen, everyone is chasing the you know what phone Jul 17 17:24:45 spikebike: significantly increasing the resolution without pairing it with a much faster processor just won't work... Jul 17 17:24:53 right Jul 17 17:25:10 like say the HTC touch HD or whatever it's called Jul 17 17:25:38 I don't even necessarily have a need for double the pixels. Would be nice to have a little bit more horsepower though, with an actual keyboard. Jul 17 17:25:51 ciao4now all Jul 17 17:25:52 Not that the VK isn't great, but it's less than ideal for editing code with vi in connectbot ;) Jul 17 17:26:03 I'm just frustrated that I loved the n770/n800, it lacked only cellular Jul 17 17:26:22 and now I really miss the resolution for maps, text, ebooks, terminal, websites, etc. Jul 17 17:27:09 Nobody would argue a higher res wouldn't be great :P Jul 17 17:27:27 a higher res would suck Jul 17 17:27:32 (just to be contrary) Jul 17 17:27:38 thanks JF :) Jul 17 17:27:42 anytime :) Jul 17 17:27:43 JesusFreke: your builds still check OTA? Jul 17 17:27:56 Qwell: define "check" Jul 17 17:28:08 Qwell: they check yes, they perform no Jul 17 17:28:28 hrm.. it's asking me to update. rather annoyingly too Jul 17 17:28:32 (theoretically the ADP could recieve an OTA. but google has stated that they won't send OTAs for it) Jul 17 17:28:47 Qwell: was it one of the holiday builds? that one will Jul 17 17:29:01 nope, your t-mobile 1.5 Jul 17 17:29:03 Qwell: also, check logcat and give us the url :p Jul 17 17:29:10 I can do that Jul 17 17:29:16 JesusFreke: unless it's a one of the internal google devices that look exactly like a g1 Jul 17 17:29:20 er adp1 Jul 17 17:29:29 a friend got the "xmas" model Jul 17 17:29:30 mine is just a t-mobile retail G1 Jul 17 17:29:41 spikebike: yeah. the holiday build. like I said above :) Jul 17 17:29:52 JesusFreke: CRB43, built by Jesusfreke@spork Jul 17 17:30:08 So, it shouldn't be prompting me then? Jul 17 17:30:28 884 kB update. Downloaded and verified. Jul 17 17:30:42 Qwell: no, it shouldn't. interesting. maybe I forgot to delete OTACerts.zip or something Jul 17 17:30:52 Qwell: what's the url of the update that it downloaded? Jul 17 17:30:54 I'll log collector it up Jul 17 17:31:00 Qwell: or at least the filename Jul 17 17:31:46 Qwell: it would fail to apply anyway, if you actually tried to apply it. Unless they signed it with test keys. heh Jul 17 17:31:47 spikebike: and only those? none of them can be hacked or something? Jul 17 17:31:48 hey JF Jul 17 17:31:52 o/ jasta Jul 17 17:32:15 i'm excited to finally get a real Sapphire :) Jul 17 17:32:15 jasta: quit your slackin' already! Jul 17 17:32:26 jasta: I keep checking five for updates :p Jul 17 17:33:00 JesusFreke: oh im not slacking, i just havent been developing in public yet. Jul 17 17:33:07 i will create a module for you to track my progress ;) Jul 17 17:33:18 i've been using git locally, and since googlecode doesnt directly support git i kind of abandoned it for now Jul 17 17:33:21 i'll switch to using git svn :) Jul 17 17:33:30 JesusFreke: /cache/signed-kila-CRC1-from-CRB43-FIX.7ca4a1d7.zip Jul 17 17:33:56 jasta: obviously I'm just giving you a hard time :). You don't have to do anything Jul 17 17:34:09 Qwell: cool. thanks :) Jul 17 17:34:14 nah, i'm getting to a point where switching development public makes sense Jul 17 17:34:22 i don't like to host my code privately for too long Jul 17 17:34:32 well, I certainly won't complain :) Jul 17 17:34:45 i actually decided not to go camping this weekend so i could code the whole time :) Jul 17 17:34:52 I didn't know about git svn though Jul 17 17:34:53 apparently it's https://android.clients.google.com/updates/signed-kila-CRC1-from-CRB43-FIX.7ca4a1d7.zip Jul 17 17:34:55 * JesusFreke ponders Jul 17 17:35:07 JesusFreke: basically it allows you to have a local git workflow with an external svn server. Jul 17 17:35:14 Qwell: whats that? Jul 17 17:35:16 an update? Jul 17 17:35:22 security fix Jul 17 17:35:23 o.o Jul 17 17:35:23 yeah, that would work great with smali for me Jul 17 17:35:24 it's not a wrapper or anything, it's actually a set of submodule commands to git which allow it to publish git history to svn and rebase svn history onto git. Jul 17 17:35:24 i want Jul 17 17:35:42 gahh Jul 17 17:35:44 signed-dream_devphone_userdebug-img-148830.zip Jul 17 17:35:46 adp1 doesnt have it yet Jul 17 17:36:06 jasta: yeah, I'll have to read up on it Jul 17 17:36:25 AakashPatel: haha. I've been checking HTC's adp page for the new update too. Jul 17 17:36:43 lol Jul 17 17:37:01 is there a way to check what this update fixes? Jul 17 17:37:14 prolly not Jul 17 17:37:19 Wich mobiles can be hacked to run android} Jul 17 17:37:21 ? Jul 17 17:37:25 EVARYMOBILE Jul 17 17:37:48 EVEN TEH $25 USD LG PHONES Jul 17 17:38:09 (hope you know im kdding) Jul 17 17:38:12 even the old suitcase cellphones? ;) Jul 17 17:38:16 you remember that cell phone zach slater used on saved by the bell? Jul 17 17:38:16 JesusFreke: i'm pretty hooked on git :) i could never go back to svn. Jul 17 17:38:21 yeah, that can run android, right? Jul 17 17:38:29 vol_: it's open source, right? Jul 17 17:38:42 lol Jul 17 17:39:01 Qwell: yes, android is open source Jul 17 17:39:05 http://source.android.com Jul 17 17:39:10 ... Jul 17 17:39:20 JesusFreke: so, have you made a build with that new update yet? :P Jul 17 17:39:24 * Qwell ducks Jul 17 17:39:29 Qwell: in any case, thanks for the bug report and the URL. I'll take a look at it :) Jul 17 17:39:46 yep, np. I'd be curious to see what it fixed Jul 17 17:40:20 They'll probably make a new tag in the AOSP for it. at least they have for the minor updates so far Jul 17 17:40:35 link! Jul 17 17:40:39 (plz) Jul 17 17:40:57 the tag for CRB43 is the 1.5_r2 tag Jul 17 17:41:14 hi, some people rooted their G1 without flashing the engeenering bootloader...how is it possible and how to flash my own images? Jul 17 17:41:33 no Jul 17 17:41:40 you need the bootloader with fastboot Jul 17 17:41:49 AakashPatel: no you don't Jul 17 17:41:53 wtu? Jul 17 17:41:55 fjald? Jul 17 17:42:00 ohhh! Jul 17 17:42:03 you just need a modified recovery Jul 17 17:42:16 but Jul 17 17:42:25 thats not a full img XD Jul 17 17:42:29 Gnutoo: basically, flash to RC29, use the root bug to get root and install a recovery image that uses test keys Jul 17 17:42:37 All you need to do is exploit to get root and flash the recovery image Jul 17 17:42:46 and then boot into that and flash the update.zip Jul 17 17:43:06 psshhhh Jul 17 17:43:17 Flashing a modified SPL at that point is a smart idea though, "just in case" :) Jul 17 17:43:24 not my definition of flash my own images XD Jul 17 17:43:39 JesusFreke, ok thanks a lot...I've boot.img and system.img and others files...how should I do that? Jul 17 17:43:52 JesusFreke, my tester already has one of your images running Jul 17 17:44:28 Hey, incidentally, has anybody gotten these crazy Hero images running on the android sdk emulator? Jul 17 17:45:24 Gnutoo: unfortunately, you do need to flash the bootloader in order to flash a system.img file Jul 17 17:45:54 Gnutoo: if you're building from source, you should be able to make up your own update.zip though Jul 17 17:45:59 Gnutoo: to flash via recovery Jul 17 17:46:00 Well, couldn't he just bundle it up into an update.zip? Jul 17 17:46:05 JesusFreke, ok how do I do that? Jul 17 17:46:16 I'm building from source Jul 17 17:46:22 Gnutoo: just take a look at existing update.zip files and see how they're structured. It's not hard to understand. Jul 17 17:46:43 Gnutoo: there's a script that runs, update-script, somewhere in a subdir under META-INF Jul 17 17:46:43 JesusFreke, yes but there is a manifest...do you have a tool to generate it or should I do it by hand? Jul 17 17:46:49 ah ok Jul 17 17:47:01 Gnutoo: you have to sign it with test keys (included in the android source) Jul 17 17:47:10 ok I'll look thanks Jul 17 17:47:15 Gnutoo: or you can grab my testsign.jar utility from my build environment Jul 17 17:47:23 JesusFreke, ok Jul 17 17:47:47 im trying to build an image following the instructions: http://labs.embinux.org/index.php/Android_For_OMAP3_with_Gstreamer_Integration - im failing because the system can't find libmpfr.so.1 - is this just a missing file in the instructions somewhere? Jul 17 17:48:13 JesusFreke, what is the difference between update.zip and system.img? Jul 17 17:49:20 do you guys know of any sites where people post freelance jobs for android development? Jul 17 17:50:02 does anyone know the version of the latest official uk firmware, and where i can get it? Jul 17 17:52:10 Rant of the day: Why the hell are people so obsessed with weather widgets and weather apps? I wake up, check the weather once on the web or tv, adjust accordingly and then take my chances the rest of the day and don't waste time being an idiot. Is that too hard? Jul 17 17:52:37 because instead of checking it on their tv they want to check it on their phone Jul 17 17:52:44 and/or they want to check the weather at some point later in the day. Jul 17 17:52:47 "Hey, lets go to the park" Jul 17 17:52:48 Sad! Jul 17 17:52:52 "Ok, let me make sure it won't rain or anything" Jul 17 17:52:58 Rain in the park is beautiful. Jul 17 17:53:03 and muddy. Jul 17 17:53:11 darweth: checking weather on the television is pretty 20th century if you ask me. Jul 17 17:53:12 Depends where! Jul 17 17:53:33 I'm not sure it needs to be a widget but it's much quicker to hop out of the shower and hit a button on your phone while you're drying off to see what to put on Jul 17 17:53:52 Igashu: Well, my point is one should only need to check it once a day. There seems to be an obsession with weather apps on mobile devices. Jul 17 17:54:21 I think at least in Android's case, the obsession is there because there still isn't one that does it really well ;) Jul 17 17:54:52 And, checking it once a day works fine if you're in a steady, temperate climate like San Diego :P Jul 17 17:55:05 But here in Boston it could be sunny in the morning and hailing in the evening. Jul 17 17:55:05 I mean... all it is is a general idea anyway. Half the time even when it says 90% chance of rain here in NYC, it doesn't rain. Jul 17 17:55:13 wow the hero roms are actually getting worse Jul 17 17:55:44 darweth: yes, you should never make solid plans based on a forecast of any sort if it's > 6 hrs in the future Jul 17 17:56:09 The upsetting thing about the icons most of the widgets are using too is that they look like depressing rainclouds even if it's like a 10% chance of rain ;) Jul 17 17:56:18 So you look at the 5 day and are like........... :( Jul 17 17:56:23 lol Jul 17 17:57:57 so now that pixelpipe is non-free, what is the best app for pushing pics to facebook/flickr/etc ? Jul 17 18:09:21 speaking of weather apps anyone else notice the weather service on Hero starting up, running out of memory, running GC, and causing any mp3s that may happen to be playing, to skip Jul 17 18:10:49 anyone? facebook/flickr uploader? Jul 17 18:10:58 anybody know if google requires a new platform to go through some kind of certification process if it wants to have an app store on it? Jul 17 18:11:13 thoraxe: Oh, the browser. Jul 17 18:11:26 darweth: you can upload files from the browser? Jul 17 18:11:49 SoulBlade: I don't know the details. But I'm pretty sure you need google's blessing to do so. I have no idea what getting that blessing involves :) Jul 17 18:11:50 Sure, why not? There is flickrdroid and there are facebook apps. Jul 17 18:11:58 I am not sure what will replace pixelpipe. Jul 17 18:12:10 You can get the .apk via illicit means. Jul 17 18:12:33 SoulBlade: that's if you want the standard Android market on there. You're free to implement your own market. Jul 17 18:12:56 ah Jul 17 18:13:06 quick q, i have UK RC7 and want to update to cupcake 1.5. can i go straight from rc7 to 1.5 or do i need to incrementally upgrade? Jul 17 18:13:31 i got 1.5 from here: http://allshadow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5692&p=40392#p40393 Jul 17 18:13:40 James_B: you should be able to go straight up, but I recommend flashing the radio first Jul 17 18:13:56 flashing the radio? o.O Jul 17 18:14:19 well, I say that, but those official builds probably have the radio included (anyone verify?) Jul 17 18:14:30 sorry im new to G1, just got rid of iphone ^^ Jul 17 18:14:46 darweth: there's a functional facebook ap?? Jul 17 18:14:59 thoraxe: It is a pay app. Jul 17 18:15:01 James_B: just curious, any reason you're flashing stock instead of say, JFv1.51? Jul 17 18:15:21 ah. iphone.facebook works poorly enough that i can just use that Jul 17 18:15:26 not that i'm averse to paying for apps Jul 17 18:15:46 when i bought the phone, it was rooted, but i was having problems with it turning off randomly, so i want to get it to the latest official release to see if it still does it Jul 17 18:15:55 if its fixed with the official release ill consider rooting it Jul 17 18:16:18 anybody know where i might find libmpfr.so.1 so i can build an image.. it's using the arm-eabi-4.4.0 toolchain if that helps Jul 17 18:16:35 James_B: I don't have this issue, though I've heard people have had it with earlier rooted builds Jul 17 18:16:44 it was probably just a poorly designed earlier build Jul 17 18:16:48 James_B: if the phone is rooted, that means you already have a custom SPL loaded, so you could load say, JFv1.51 very quickly, and it is probably the most sensible build out there Jul 17 18:16:49 the newer ones are really very stable Jul 17 18:16:58 go get jf 1.51 or something Jul 17 18:17:12 is that easy to upgrade to from RC7? Jul 17 18:17:20 i have official RC7 right now Jul 17 18:17:23 i just reflashed it Jul 17 18:17:40 James_B: if you haven't reflashed the SPL, it should be just one reboot to load Jul 17 18:18:03 James_B: http://jf.andblogs.net/2009/05/24/jfv151-images-are-out/ Jul 17 18:18:42 im not sure if i have done that. I loaded the DREAIMG.nbh to the sd card then held power and camera to reflash Jul 17 18:18:51 does that do anything to the spl? Jul 17 18:19:49 someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe DREAIMG.nbh will indeed take you back to stock SPL (which means you would need to root again if you wanted to flash anything except t-mobile signed firmware) Jul 17 18:20:07 im happy with tmobile signed for now ^^ Jul 17 18:21:57 is the main bonus of rooting being able to install free apps? Jul 17 18:22:04 or does it make developing alot easier? Jul 17 18:22:53 James_B: being able to do things like run wifi tether apps and the like, knowing that you actually own your phone Jul 17 18:23:20 uh oh Jul 17 18:23:25 i just reflashed Jul 17 18:23:32 im getting an image on screen Jul 17 18:23:36 a chip with an orange arrow Jul 17 18:23:40 please tell me thats not bad Jul 17 18:23:45 lol Jul 17 18:23:49 you have what!? Jul 17 18:23:53 j/k Jul 17 18:23:53 it means it's flashing Jul 17 18:23:56 that's normal Jul 17 18:24:12 ah ok, it didnt do that last time :) Jul 17 18:24:29 is it a sunfresh ranch-flavored chip? Jul 17 18:24:33 but thatnks for scaring the bejesus out of me ;) Jul 17 18:24:39 anytime ;) Jul 17 18:26:06 well looks like it all went smoothly Jul 17 18:26:16 lets just hope i dont get any more random lockups Jul 17 18:26:33 i cant wait to start programming for the phone, fun times for all \o/ Jul 17 18:27:45 James_B, until you get the more recent update OTA you may still have some issues Jul 17 18:28:02 ok ill bear that in mind Jul 17 18:28:13 roughly how long does it take before it will update OTA? Jul 17 18:29:50 James_B: You might also check to see if you are on the current radio (menu -> settings -> about phone -> baseband version) Jul 17 18:30:35 ok, where do i find out the latest version? Jul 17 18:30:37 if he's not, when he gets the update he will be Jul 17 18:30:42 sorry for the noobish questions ^^ Jul 17 18:30:56 Current radio is 2.22.19.26I you can get it direct from HTC at http://www.htc.com/www/support/android/adp.html Jul 17 18:31:08 but, well, would it be better if he got it with the OTA? Jul 17 18:31:17 James_B, easier, not better or worse Jul 17 18:31:32 im on 65.50S.20.17U_2.22.19.26I Jul 17 18:31:49 then you're already current James_B, so no worries there Jul 17 18:31:49 then you have it Jul 17 18:32:00 great :) Jul 17 18:32:29 anyone mind giving me a rough idea of what the radio version is? Jul 17 18:32:36 is it just the firmware of the GSM module? Jul 17 18:32:46 or its modern equivalent ... Jul 17 18:33:24 yeah, basically Jul 17 18:33:35 okeydokey Jul 17 18:34:17 more noobish questions!: any must have apps? Jul 17 18:34:25 preferably free for now Jul 17 18:34:33 tip calculator Jul 17 18:34:36 (kidding) Jul 17 18:34:44 anyone in here want to help me get an unlock code for G1? Jul 17 18:35:02 i would do it myself, but i don't live in a t-mobile area Jul 17 18:35:16 kiqyou_vf: there's not much we can help with, other than tell you to do a google search and buy one for around $20 from any of the numerous companies offering them. Jul 17 18:35:25 you either get it through your provider or you get it through a website and pay some $ Jul 17 18:35:39 there's no "hack" for it I'm aware of Jul 17 18:36:08 well, i've tried calling t-mobile and they said someone with an existing t-mo account has to request it Jul 17 18:36:25 and they said specifically that it doesnt have to be the original phone owners account... Jul 17 18:36:43 never heard that one before Jul 17 18:37:23 there are a couple of t-mobile employees here Jul 17 18:37:32 wonder if they'll speak up :) Jul 17 18:37:35 yeah, i was soo close. and now i'm staring at a paper wieght Jul 17 18:37:38 oh really? Jul 17 18:37:43 thats interesting Jul 17 18:37:50 i can forward you the email i just got from t-mo Jul 17 18:38:11 I think they can do one unlock every 90 days per account, I'd offer to get one for you but I'm pretty sure I'm still in my 90 days Jul 17 18:38:38 I got back from japan recently, I can't unlock another phone for awhile Jul 17 18:38:56 ah, thanks for the offer though Jul 17 18:39:31 kiqyou_vf, go on the tmonews forums or howardforums.com Jul 17 18:39:44 you may get lucky with someone there Jul 17 18:40:05 yeah? i'll check that out. thanks for the reference. Jul 17 18:40:08 np Jul 17 18:40:23 usually though, you'd just pay one of the websites a few $ Jul 17 18:40:57 What provider do you want to use it with? Jul 17 18:41:01 err Jul 17 18:41:14 im with tmobile, i might be able to help, do i just call and ask or what? Jul 17 18:41:24 when i say with i mean a customer i dont work for them Jul 17 18:41:33 James_B: you'd need the IMEI and such Jul 17 18:42:01 iWireless- it's a "t-mobile affiliate" Jul 17 18:42:13 James_B, yes you say you're planning a trip abroad and would like to unlock a G1 Jul 17 18:42:31 how old is the g1? Jul 17 18:42:32 you give them your info and an email address and they'll email you the unlock code with instructions Jul 17 18:42:36 james- i can send you my imei Jul 17 18:42:57 i'm not sure- i got it from ebay, came in the mail yesterday. Jul 17 18:43:15 doesn't the phone have to be over 3 months old to get a code? Jul 17 18:43:28 (fore free) Jul 17 18:43:31 for even Jul 17 18:43:35 spikebike, depends on how you get it Jul 17 18:43:42 spikebike: you have to be a customer for 3 months Jul 17 18:43:45 languish- yep. i was on the phone with them, they ask you some questions and then they send in a request to the manufacturer for the unlock code Jul 17 18:43:52 ah Jul 17 18:44:43 even if you're a customer longer than 3 months, if you get a G1 from tmo directly, technically you're supposed to wait 3 months anyway. But they tend to do it within 2 weeks no questions asked Jul 17 18:44:49 err after 2 weeks Jul 17 18:45:11 They just want to make sure your buyers remorse period is over Jul 17 18:45:14 judging by its condition, its probably one of the first ones off the line/bought Jul 17 18:47:07 kiqyou_vf look under the battery, teh last 2 digits of the P/N before the - Jul 17 18:47:26 k just a sec Jul 17 18:48:05 02-00 Jul 17 18:48:13 yeah, it's an older model Jul 17 18:48:17 not model but version Jul 17 18:48:47 gotcha, thats kinda what i thought Jul 17 18:48:59 its kinda creeky Jul 17 18:49:05 hehe Jul 17 18:49:06 you can fix the creek Jul 17 18:49:17 it's just a part that rubs Jul 17 18:49:27 personally, I like it Jul 17 18:49:29 what do you mean? Jul 17 18:49:30 :) Jul 17 18:49:59 hey I have a 99HEW002-00 too, and it creaks pretty loundly as well, I didn't know it was common Jul 17 18:50:08 kiqyou_vf http://www.g1updates.com/2008/11/11/how-to-fix-t-mobile-g1-phone-creak-or-creaking-noise/ Jul 17 18:50:29 haha wow! i had no idea it was such a common thing either! Jul 17 18:50:39 Hi, I am trying to create a dialog like it is told here: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/ui/dialogs.html But somehow, my dialog is not displayed. I am trying to run it in a catch statement. Any ideas why it wouldn't show. Because the code there is executed. Jul 17 18:50:41 kiqyou_vf also, you can fix it with a bit of tape Jul 17 18:50:45 no need to cut anything Jul 17 18:51:52 balachmar: if you get no answer here you could try #android-dev Jul 17 18:51:53 ok nice, i'm reading the article right now Jul 17 18:52:04 balachmar, put your code snippet in to pastebin.com and onna these guys might look at it Jul 17 18:52:09 and its only the black version, super interesting Jul 17 18:52:27 jbq :) Jul 17 18:53:45 OK code snippet of a non showing Dialog here: http://pastebin.com/m1d79063e Jul 17 19:01:55 http://www.g1updates.com/2009/07/09/g1-v2-soon-to-come/ <- do want :< Jul 17 19:13:05 can anyone reccomend any good music syncing apps for the G1? Jul 17 19:13:18 i see there is an itunes solution, anyone tried it? Jul 17 19:14:13 can anyone suggest a good place to buy unlock codes? Jul 17 19:15:34 hi - im wanting to take screenshots and im following instructions from http://blog.digitaltinder.net/2009/06/how-to-take-android-screenshots/ but when i open ddms - my device isnt listed... please help? Jul 17 19:16:04 when i run the emulator - then in new terminal run ddms - i see the emulator device.. Jul 17 19:16:13 dr34mc0d3r: is your device identified in device manager? Jul 17 19:16:44 Monban where is the device manager? ubuntu Jul 17 19:19:04 dr34mc0d3r: oh sorry, windows dev here, um, in ubuntu... well if you do adb devices does it show up? Jul 17 19:19:35 looking Jul 17 19:19:58 none listed Jul 17 19:20:02 no devices Jul 17 19:20:19 yeah it's not being identified, so... Jul 17 19:20:22 USB debuging is selected Jul 17 19:23:17 dr34mc0d3r: did you add a rules file for android? Jul 17 19:23:31 for udev? Jul 17 19:23:51 Monban - nope - got a url for me to look at? Jul 17 19:23:56 http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/device.html Jul 17 19:23:59 ok Jul 17 19:24:12 look at step 3, towards the bottom Jul 17 19:28:49 Monban - your the man - thanks i now have screen shots... Jul 17 19:34:22 hi all. any news on samsung galaxy rooting effort? is anybody doing it at all? Jul 17 19:34:35 anybody/somebody Jul 17 19:35:58 they released it? Jul 17 19:36:26 send here i will get rooted and send back Jul 17 19:36:37 haha Jul 17 19:36:45 NexVision: I'll arm wrestle you for it Jul 17 19:36:46 * NexVision serious Jul 17 19:36:52 ill pay you $10 and root it Jul 17 19:36:55 and may ship it back Jul 17 19:37:26 ill concede to jf since all i would do is drive it 20 minutes to haykuro Jul 17 19:37:41 lol Jul 17 19:38:17 okok, guess not Jul 17 19:38:18 well, if they implemented things right, it may not be rootable, except through a "real" android security exploit Jul 17 19:38:34 which we haven't seen since the root bug :) Jul 17 19:38:51 pwned Jul 17 19:38:56 JesusFreke: how has the g1 been rooted? Jul 17 19:39:06 there was a root bug in the first release Jul 17 19:39:10 the infamous root bug Jul 17 19:39:21 where whatever you type on the keyboard gets sent to a root shell Jul 17 19:39:27 lmao Jul 17 19:39:27 but then how was magic rooted? Jul 17 19:39:34 fastboot Jul 17 19:39:41 NexVision: the SPL will fastboot unsigned images Jul 17 19:39:44 (i.e. insecure bootloader) Jul 17 19:39:44 oh yeah duhh Jul 17 19:39:46 wow, thats what i call bad coding Jul 17 19:39:49 is the uhhh io device rooted? Jul 17 19:40:02 note that T-Mobile "fixed" that "problem" with the MyTouch 3G, or so I hear Jul 17 19:40:08 AakashPatel: yes Jul 17 19:40:16 AakashPatel: I believe it is (not 100% positive) Jul 17 19:40:22 hmmm Jul 17 19:40:28 not sure eihter Jul 17 19:40:36 someone said i wasnt before XD Jul 17 19:40:39 and it's likely future magics will have that feature removed as well Jul 17 19:40:53 "feature" lol Jul 17 19:41:14 booting the image you want to boot is indeed a feature Jul 17 19:41:24 yeah lol Jul 17 19:41:45 so that'll mean finding backdoors to root android will become more difficult? Jul 17 19:42:27 for those companies that choose to lock it down, yes Jul 17 19:42:36 i mean !android but samsung Jul 17 19:42:39 zinx: k Jul 17 19:42:47 for the first time, newegg shipping disappoints Jul 17 19:43:24 twois10: did you have them ship with DHL? :P Jul 17 19:43:28 bought a card last sunday hoping to partion it this weeked and do ap2sd, but still havent received it Jul 17 19:43:36 zinx: yep Jul 17 19:43:46 twois10: DHL is terrible Jul 17 19:43:46 you must have had that experience too Jul 17 19:43:57 twois10: they hold your package for weeks, and then hand it over to USPS Jul 17 19:44:09 dhl is a joke Jul 17 19:44:09 ^^ this is why i want root. apps2sd is really a needed feature Jul 17 19:44:28 zinx: thats exaclty what it says on the tracking Jul 17 19:44:34 twois10: yup. Jul 17 19:44:44 I love DHL. I've never had any problems with them Jul 17 19:44:56 me either Jul 17 19:44:59 oh, *that*. where they give it to USPS. Jul 17 19:45:04 too bad they're gone :( Jul 17 19:45:05 the only thing i like about dhl Jul 17 19:45:06 n/m. yeah. that takes forever. lol Jul 17 19:45:09 zinx: but they are pretty good wiht international shipment Jul 17 19:45:14 is the fact they throw shit over my gate and leave Jul 17 19:45:17 haha Jul 17 19:45:20 ha Jul 17 19:45:21 so i do alot of claims Jul 17 19:45:22 hahaha Jul 17 19:45:37 they come in the office and drop it off gently here XD Jul 17 19:45:40 when I buy international version of textbookz coming from overseas, or when i ship orversea, there is no delay Jul 17 19:45:51 i ordered 3 laptops from dell all brand new 1330's they tossed em over the gate Jul 17 19:45:54 The biggest reason I love DHL is that they're like 1mile from my house. so if I miss something, I can just go pick it up after I get home Jul 17 19:45:56 i claimed em Jul 17 19:46:11 Fedex is the one that leaves my package out in an appartment complex Jul 17 19:46:15 well, dhl is a german company. i guess they don't have a good infrastructure in the us Jul 17 19:46:16 UPS is like 15-20 miles away. ugh Jul 17 19:46:20 lol Jul 17 19:46:30 EVERYONE comes in our office and drops the shit off gently Jul 17 19:46:43 dhl, fedex, ups, usps Jul 17 19:46:52 im 20 minutes away from post office and like 45-1hr away from all main shippers Jul 17 19:47:05 hell im 20 minutes from the grocery store Jul 17 19:47:16 I ride my uni to the grocery store. Jul 17 19:47:20 This copy of Windows did not pass genuine validation. Jul 17 19:47:22 The product key found on this computer is not valid for use in your region. Jul 17 19:47:23 hehehe Jul 17 19:47:24 what i like about ups is they always knock on the door and get a signature Jul 17 19:47:24 :| Jul 17 19:47:24 just down the block Jul 17 19:47:27 fuck. Jul 17 19:47:34 twois10: that's what I hate about ups. lol Jul 17 19:47:44 AakashPatel: OMG you could be getting a GENUINE experience, better buy now! Jul 17 19:47:47 twois10: I've never there during the day to sign for crap. Jul 17 19:47:53 JesusFreke: i dont want my package left out Jul 17 19:47:59 twois10: I do. lol Jul 17 19:47:59 zinx: lol they just implemented this Jul 17 19:48:04 i used this disc many times Jul 17 19:48:06 i do sometimes Jul 17 19:48:17 JesusFreke: i leave in a apartment complex Jul 17 19:48:21 twois10: (unless it's something expensive) Jul 17 19:48:22 makes it easier to claim u never got it and get double for price of one Jul 17 19:48:23 if it were a home then fine Jul 17 19:48:28 AakashPatel: well it's not official so it's clearly completely different an inferior to official windows Jul 17 19:48:37 this sucks Jul 17 19:48:43 twois10: if I buy some $40 something, I'm more than willing to take the risk that it will be stolen. heh Jul 17 19:48:44 AakashPatel: Microsoft is just trying to protect you to make sure you get the best genuine experience Jul 17 19:48:49 yeah i have home and gated property so im good Jul 17 19:48:55 zinx: ehhh Jul 17 19:49:06 they should have in option "do you want the genuine experince?" Jul 17 19:49:08 JesusFreke: Fedex left my 17 hp notebook outside Jul 17 19:49:12 well, I live in a condo complex Jul 17 19:49:19 17' Jul 17 19:49:19 twois10: yeah, I might have an issue with that :) Jul 17 19:49:28 they make 17 foot laptops now? Jul 17 19:49:54 yo momma so big, she needs a 17 foot laptop. Jul 17 19:49:59 JesusFreke: he knocked and did not wait see if anyone came to the door, that punk just dropped and left Jul 17 19:50:02 * elementz thinks there should be a spamfilter for those kiddies spamming the market with useless comments - *sigh Jul 17 19:50:12 Thank goodnes i was late for class Jul 17 19:50:42 JesusFreke: 17" lol Jul 17 19:51:47 well bottom line is am disappointed, and as i wanted to get this out the way this weeked Jul 17 19:52:26 well every disappointmetn is a blessign right?! Jul 17 19:52:51 no. Jul 17 19:54:10 And to top it all, I thought Fedex lost my RMA'd GPU from XFX Jul 17 19:54:17 but we found it today Jul 17 20:32:14 ok what the hell wrong here _myObj=new MyObj[32]; Jul 17 20:32:25 and when i do _myObj[0].id=0; crash Jul 17 20:32:50 any idea... Jul 17 20:37:01 Baron Adolf Franz Friedrich Ludwig von Knigge Jul 17 20:37:18 his parents must have hated him :P Jul 17 20:39:18 any help Jul 17 20:41:49 http://pastebin.com/m17224177 Jul 17 20:42:02 this is the code pretty short but something is wrong :/ Jul 17 20:53:24 is there something like this for Android?: http://instaviz.com/ Jul 17 21:15:01 >_> Jul 17 21:15:02 <_< Jul 17 21:15:43 shhh Jul 17 21:16:09 I already got AndIRC Jul 17 21:16:26 And Automatic nick killing is turned on. Jul 17 21:16:47 If you can't be bothered to change the default nickname, you probably shouldn't be using IRC. Jul 17 21:17:21 There are many, who shouldn't be using IRC. Jul 17 21:17:36 To which #android-chat is a testament Jul 17 21:17:40 s/IRC/lungs/ Jul 17 21:17:50 Wel, yes. Jul 17 21:17:54 But at least they're kept in there Jul 17 21:18:02 ...if only Jul 17 21:18:44 Though, the world would be a little less interesting without them... Jul 17 21:18:49 ... to make fun of Jul 17 21:19:19 Should setup a custom ban mask Jul 17 21:19:33 If you're in #android-chat, you are banned from every other channel on the network Jul 17 21:19:39 :( Jul 17 21:20:11 The channel's dead now anyway. Jul 17 21:20:23 Which 'un? Jul 17 21:20:34 #android-chat Jul 17 21:20:42 but good point Jul 17 21:20:43 Ah. Jul 17 21:20:52 At least until falcon4ever updated his irc client Jul 17 21:20:58 *updates Jul 17 21:21:13 People are hating on it? Jul 17 21:21:24 Not that, he just hasn't updated it in awhile Jul 17 21:21:40 I'm sure he's been busy with higher priorities Jul 17 21:22:03 do i have to format my sd card or ext 2 partition when im updating a rom Jul 17 21:22:06 ? Jul 17 21:22:07 Hopefully the type that come with little paper umbrellas Jul 17 21:22:25 I use AndroidIRC fo Jul 17 21:22:33 from the market Jul 17 21:23:04 it works good.... and it makes me feel warm and fuzzy cuz I'm supporting a dev for $5 Jul 17 21:23:14 languish: *cough* *cough* *cough* *cough* *cough* *cough* Jul 17 21:23:26 *fart* Jul 17 21:23:28 Amaroth you just have to make sure the image is on the FAT32 partition Jul 17 21:23:31 damn swine flu Jul 17 21:23:33 err Jul 17 21:23:40 Falc :) Jul 17 21:23:43 How's life Jul 17 21:23:47 languish: probably after i moved to the us, im gonna continue it Jul 17 21:23:54 hahaha Jul 17 21:23:58 just a bit stressfull Jul 17 21:24:04 nod. I hear ya Jul 17 21:24:16 but im serious :P going to move to the us next month :D Jul 17 21:24:19 Where are you moving to in the US? Cali? Jul 17 21:24:26 i wish it was cali :P Jul 17 21:24:30 heh Jul 17 21:24:35 or actually, not, cuz they are broke Jul 17 21:24:40 im moving to the boston area, ma Jul 17 21:24:49 Well, I heard you met some of the Googs in Cali, was hoping for ya.. Jul 17 21:24:56 nod Jul 17 21:25:03 You won't be all that far then Jul 17 21:25:04 well i met with San Mehat Jul 17 21:25:08 very cool guy Jul 17 21:25:12 So I hear :) Jul 17 21:25:29 kinda suprised to see him not being a typical nerd ;P Jul 17 21:25:36 ok thanks languish Jul 17 21:25:37 lol Jul 17 21:25:40 but rather a trendy guy xD Jul 17 21:25:44 Amaroth, np Jul 17 21:26:32 Well, his alter ego is a rhythm master DJ-San Jul 17 21:26:48 yea i guess so :) Jul 17 21:28:21 tsk tsk freenode Jul 17 21:33:36 what is the differnt between doing Jul 17 21:33:53 class C { char []x=new char[32]; }; Jul 17 21:33:54 to Jul 17 21:34:14 class C{ char []x; C() {x=new char[32];} Jul 17 21:35:02 there isn't really a difference :/ Jul 17 21:36:08 so what its just faster way to init vars Jul 17 21:36:18 no cstr Jul 17 21:49:46 JesusFreke: Hi Jul 17 21:50:25 JF is currently nailed to a cross. May I take a message? Jul 17 21:50:37 Yes Jul 17 21:50:39 :) Jul 17 21:51:05 I need to know which kernel source version (from where) and which configuration he used Jul 17 21:51:27 to create these recovery images with frambuffer console on htc-dream Jul 17 21:51:59 android-msm-2.6.27 Jul 17 21:52:07 and, the config is in /proc/config.gz Jul 17 21:52:16 because I'd like to port OpenMoko onto the htc-dream and rich a state of native booting Jul 17 21:52:18 hmm Jul 17 21:52:24 2.6.27? Jul 17 21:52:30 or you can use the extract-ikconfig script on the boot.img Jul 17 21:52:54 leviathan: yes, the 'Building for Dream' instructions will tell you how to pull android-msm-2.6.27 Jul 17 21:53:24 I tried with 2.6.29 Jul 17 21:53:37 but never got a console onto the screen Jul 17 21:54:07 you still need to use the msm branch of 2.6.29 if you're going with 2.6.29 Jul 17 21:54:26 but 2.6.29 isn't particularly stable at the moment, as far as i can tell Jul 17 21:54:50 hmm Jul 17 21:55:05 hi there! i'm in the process of rooting my phone, and i was wondering what was the major advantages of the different custom builds, between the different versions of TheDukes, JF and haykuro? Jul 17 21:55:54 hmm, ok Jul 17 21:56:00 Ill try to build it Jul 17 21:56:01 Mercidia - JF build 1.51 just *works* for 99% of the stuff Jul 17 21:56:18 The other builds have fancy features which, while pretty, lead to crashing and slowness. Jul 17 21:56:24 In my opinion, anyway. Jul 17 21:56:38 crashing and slowness is bad. thx for the help! Jul 17 21:57:14 just for curiosity though, which build is a copy of the htc hero build? Jul 17 21:57:32 Haykuro's, as I recall Jul 17 21:58:55 and do I need "the Radio 2.22.19.26I & the SPL 1.33.2005" with the JF 1.51 build? Jul 17 21:59:08 ref : http://forums.tmonews.com/index.php?topic=8970.0 Jul 17 21:59:11 you need the radio Jul 17 21:59:25 you don't need the SPL Jul 17 21:59:55 and i install it as an update? (using the update.zip trick?) Jul 17 22:00:13 not really a trick, but yeah, you do :D Jul 17 22:01:42 ok... i know i ask a lot but i don't want a bricked phone! :P since i'm on a RC29 build right now, the order of the updates is : 1. JF1.43recovery 2. radio 3. JF build 1.51 Jul 17 22:01:45 right? Jul 17 22:02:05 You don't need to dothe JF1.43 Jul 17 22:02:20 From RC29, apply the bootloader, then radio, then JF 1.51 Jul 17 22:02:32 Hey guys... I'm life02 from the polaris android branch... I'm only getting ~15 fps in neocore with the current GPU1 settings that I added to board-htcpolaris.c... Also after running neocore, i'm getting a multicolored scrambled screen behind popup notifications. Jessie mentioned the memory address might be wrong for GPU1. I'm using 0x17500000 for BASE and 0x00800000 for size. From what I've read GPU1 should be MSM_PMEM_ADSP_BA Jul 17 22:02:32 SE + MSM_PMEM_ADSP_SIZE which in my case is 0x17500000. Any ideas? Jul 17 22:03:13 bootloader being the hard spl as refereneced by the tmonews forum? Jul 17 22:03:17 Correct. Jul 17 22:03:29 nice, i'm not completely lost! :P Jul 17 22:03:35 The new bootloader lets the phone boot any ROM you care to flash it. Jul 17 22:03:50 Some of the fancy Hero-based builds "require" a different bootloader. Stay away from those. Jul 17 22:03:51 erh Jul 17 22:04:32 Oh, and "it ain't my fault if you get a brick" Jul 17 22:04:48 i'll go traditional anyway, i only want the full market really (I'm in canada under fido woth a T-Mobile G1) Jul 17 22:05:15 but at this point, having the bootloader installed, i suppose bricks are less frequent? Jul 17 22:05:30 Bricks usually result from flashing a MP3 file as your bootloader, or something stupid. Jul 17 22:05:47 wut Jul 17 22:05:54 you mean mp3s dont work as radio?? Jul 17 22:06:03 buthow i supposed ot play my music Jul 17 22:06:08 * EugeneKaway shakes his head Jul 17 22:06:10 lol Jul 17 22:06:16 zinx: They do. just people do stupid things, like try to use VBR MP3s Jul 17 22:06:31 everybody knows you can only use CBR MP3s as firmware Jul 17 22:06:33 Qwell: ohhhhhh lol Jul 17 22:06:47 I've been meaning to fbuild my own JF 1.51 roll-up that has support for boot.mp3 restored Jul 17 22:07:07 i've been a week with this phone and it's already pure bliss! can't imagine how amazing it'll be when rooted :D Jul 17 22:07:14 EugeneKaway: not gonna wait for the update? Jul 17 22:07:25 It's coming back? :-D Jul 17 22:10:38 once again, just to be sure, i have downloaded the radio and it's a zip containing radio.img and META-INF folder. i rename the zip file update.zip and do the same thing i did with the bootloader right? Jul 17 22:11:01 Yup Jul 17 22:11:25 Home + Power, alt+s Jul 17 22:13:11 hi, what is update.zip suposed to do after executing the script that does the simlinks Jul 17 22:13:12 ? Jul 17 22:14:19 So I got a couple questions. Jul 17 22:14:27 They are mostly sound-related. Jul 17 22:14:51 1) Can I make the phone's microphone send it's audio to a Bluetooth headset? Jul 17 22:15:10 2) Can I make any media go to the bluetooth headset? Jul 17 22:15:36 My Motorola T505 works great with media Jul 17 22:15:36 :) Jul 17 22:15:41 1) probably not, 2) yup Jul 17 22:15:42 3) Can I make any media go to the speaker go for phone calls? Jul 17 22:15:57 3) probably not Jul 17 22:15:57 er, go to the speaker that is normally used for phone calls Jul 17 22:16:16 Oh, and about #2, I'm talking about a Bluetooth headset that is used typically for phone audio. Jul 17 22:16:28 sorry, stupid computer Jul 17 22:16:29 Not a stereo headset for listening to music Jul 17 22:18:02 So, yes. My main question is getting media to a bluetooth headset used for phones. Jul 17 22:18:10 One of those stick-it-in-one-ear headsets. Jul 17 22:20:25 Any way to get media sounds to a bluetooth phone audio headset? Jul 17 22:25:15 last question! (i hope! :P) with this build (JF 1.51) will i be able to : move cache to sd, enable tethering, enable task manager, have access to full market, enable multi-touch? Jul 17 22:25:52 I can guarantee the tethering and multi-touch Jul 17 22:26:08 I believe the multi-touch works in the Android browser and Google Maps, right? Jul 17 22:26:48 hi,I made a first update.zip but it converted all simlinks in binaries...so I removed all the simlinks and updated the META-INF/com/google/android/update-script and made a second update.zip the fist one was copied but failed on simlinks,the second one was not copied...what could have been wrong...both are signed Jul 17 22:27:18 possible248: I know it doesn't work with the stock android phone... Jul 17 22:27:48 Mercidia: Are you talking about multi-touch? Jul 17 22:28:32 yes Jul 17 22:29:05 Yes, multi-touch only works with JF or other custom builds. Jul 17 22:29:22 I wonder why they didn't add it in the first place Jul 17 22:29:22 ? Jul 17 22:29:31 patent issues? Jul 17 22:29:41 hmm Jul 17 22:29:50 Most likely Jul 17 22:30:30 Could multi-touch also have added cost to the device? Jul 17 22:30:38 i'd say the hardware hasn't been patented, but Apple would've patented the software, making difficult for google to add it to their OS Jul 17 22:30:56 word up Jul 17 22:30:57 how do i know i have jf1.51 :P Jul 17 22:31:02 possible248: the device supports it though :p Jul 17 22:31:06 why u act scurred up? Jul 17 22:31:25 scurred up? Jul 17 22:31:38 Qwell: Not particularly well. The JF multi-touch doesn't compare to the shiny multi-touch features of the iPhone. Jul 17 22:32:52 do i need to do anything to enable multi touch? Jul 17 22:33:07 hi anyboy i am new user here Jul 17 22:33:29 Mercidia: No. Just install JF's firmware, and use multi-touch in the browser and maps. Jul 17 22:33:46 doesn't seem to work... Jul 17 22:34:32 Mercidia: Do you have JF, and have the browser open? Jul 17 22:34:51 i just installed JF and have maps open, i can open browser Jul 17 22:36:00 browser multi touch works! :P but maps doesn't :/ Jul 17 22:36:38 Hm, did JF include the "new" Maps released by Google, full of shiny features? Jul 17 22:36:53 eh, that's really not the primary reason i got custom rom anyway Jul 17 22:37:12 what's the best Twitter widget? Jul 17 22:37:17 do i need to update to get cupcake or anything? Jul 17 22:37:44 Mercidia: Do you not have Cupcake already? Jul 17 22:38:06 well i got back to rc29 to root the phone.... Jul 17 22:38:19 But then you installed the JF 1.5 ROM, right? Jul 17 22:38:25 1.51 Jul 17 22:38:26 I thought cupcake was the first Android os ver released Jul 17 22:38:42 Nope, there's a whole history behind Cupcake, lol Jul 17 22:38:45 ? Jul 17 22:38:47 Mercidia: Then you have Cupcake. Jul 17 22:38:54 lol i'm already anxious for donught flan eclair and all the other sugary goodnesses Jul 17 22:39:03 lol Jul 17 22:39:08 what's next.... Android muffin? Jul 17 22:39:19 next one up is donught Jul 17 22:39:27 No, it's Android pound cake, lol Jul 17 22:39:29 donut* Jul 17 22:41:49 now, to configure the thing! (THAT's gonna take awhile...) Jul 17 22:42:13 Android pound cake will include everything anybody has ever wanted. Jul 17 22:42:45 no, that would be cheese cake Jul 17 22:42:46 Bluetooth OBEX, everything the JF builds provide, and the ability to perform open-heart surgery autonomously Jul 17 22:43:19 cheesecake is known to be the best thing ever made with sugar, wouldn't it be fitting? Jul 17 22:44:22 I think you're missing the alphabetical trend :) Jul 17 22:44:50 I disagree about cheesecake Jul 17 22:45:01 The best thing ever made with sugar is Indian chutney. XD Jul 17 22:45:03 and not all cheesecake is "made with sugar" Jul 17 22:45:28 The best cheesecakes I've had, didn't have any added sugar Jul 17 22:47:09 Why are we discussing this in the Android room? lol Jul 17 22:47:34 hi there Jul 17 22:47:39 what's the best picture viewer for android? Jul 17 22:47:57 I don't want to browse through multiple pictures, just load a _really_ big pictures and be able to zoom in and out and pan using the touchscreen Jul 17 22:55:20 Plagman, there are memeory limitations. Just use picsay Jul 17 22:56:05 picsay? Jul 17 22:56:12 It's a photo editor Jul 17 22:56:29 ok Jul 17 22:56:38 trying it out.. Jul 17 22:57:27 .. Jul 17 22:57:38 it doesn't let me load something that's not in the gasllery Jul 17 22:57:48 I wish my large picture would just show up in the galleray Jul 17 22:57:53 gallery damnit Jul 17 22:59:25 Try using a file manager, Jul 17 22:59:36 suc =h as? Jul 17 22:59:44 I prefer OI File Manager Jul 17 23:00:00 installing it. Jul 17 23:00:04 Not sure if it'll let you open with PicSay, as I don't have that installed, but OI or any other file manager is worth a shot. Jul 17 23:00:56 aha Jul 17 23:01:06 using OI, it let me open it using the gallery Jul 17 23:01:16 heh Jul 17 23:01:17 unfortunately the gallery downsampled it like hell to display it Jul 17 23:01:23 so I can't make out any of the text on there Jul 17 23:01:34 which defeats the purpose of having that image on my phone Jul 17 23:01:35 sigh Jul 17 23:01:39 can't it tile it >: Jul 17 23:01:51 Hey Jul 17 23:02:00 Plagman: In the Gallery, go to Settings. Jul 17 23:02:19 yes? Jul 17 23:02:20 Is the "Display Size" setting set to "Large"? Jul 17 23:02:26 yes Jul 17 23:02:34 Oh, okay Jul 17 23:02:48 isn't this only for the thumbnails anyway? Jul 17 23:02:58 Eh, just checking. Jul 17 23:03:00 yeah Jul 17 23:03:03 thanks anyway Jul 17 23:03:10 Hold on Jul 17 23:03:15 I'll try to see if OI lets me use PicSay on the image Jul 17 23:03:32 And also try to see if it lets you open in the web browser Jul 17 23:04:32 nah, it just opens the gallery without letting me pick Jul 17 23:04:40 let's see if the web browser supports file://.. Jul 17 23:06:32 nope, doesn't let me open local files Jul 17 23:06:45 this is annoying Jul 17 23:14:50 I suppose the htc dream can manage > 2GB SD cards? Jul 17 23:15:00 Yup Jul 17 23:15:11 My HTC Dream/G1 has an eight GB card in it right now Jul 17 23:15:15 You can go all the way up to 16, I think Jul 17 23:15:35 jep Jul 17 23:15:57 how to join ad-hoc wifi networks? Jul 17 23:16:03 You can't. Jul 17 23:16:25 sure? Jul 17 23:17:01 Pretty sure Jul 17 23:17:10 As of Android 1.5, ad-hoc networks are not supported. Jul 17 23:17:21 I'm not caring about the GUI Jul 17 23:18:23 I'm pretty sure that ad-hoc wifi is not supported in any official build. Jul 17 23:18:44 Anybody know if ad-hoc wifi works in JF or similar unofficial builds? Jul 17 23:20:22 /system/etc/wifi/tiwlan.ini => WiFiAdhoc = 0 Jul 17 23:20:38 Interesting Jul 17 23:20:54 Where did you find that? Jul 17 23:21:39 http://modmygphone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22681 Jul 17 23:21:43 there you go Jul 17 23:21:45 let's try it Jul 17 23:25:00 possible248: I tried hosting the image and viewing it through the browser and it downsamples it like hell :-( Jul 17 23:25:10 my best bet is probably to split it for now Jul 17 23:25:25 Plagman: Very interesting. The G1 probably doesn't have enough memory to display the image in its entirety. Jul 17 23:25:37 it does Jul 17 23:26:02 Probably, but it still might want to keep extra in case of background processes using it up, etc. Jul 17 23:26:16 it's just that the browser isn't elaborate enough to generate mipmaps from the image and tile it at higher zoom levels Jul 17 23:26:31 it just tries to keep it monolithic and so has to downsample it for displaying Jul 17 23:26:48 how to disable that auto-complete in the brwoser list? Jul 17 23:26:55 Is a board room jsut a forum? Jul 17 23:27:21 a board room? Jul 17 23:27:25 yeah Jul 17 23:27:29 on the interwebs Jul 17 23:27:38 lol Jul 17 23:28:32 lol idk wth this kids saying, he's im'ing me asking to make a board room Jul 17 23:30:16 Hey, I've rooted G1s multiple times before, Jul 17 23:30:23 but never to Cupcake, Jul 17 23:30:51 do I just follow the http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442480 guide, but with a 1.5 ROM at the end? Jul 17 23:41:43 possible248: it works with ad-hoc (except the fact I suck at iptables Jul 17 23:41:58 FreakGuard: Thank you Jul 17 23:42:34 possible248: you got some iptables skill? Jul 17 23:42:56 FreakGuard: No, never got that advanced into Unix sysadmin-ing. Jul 17 23:43:01 hmm Jul 17 23:43:13 FreakGuard: Is iptables knowledge necessary for ad-hoc usage? Jul 17 23:43:48 possible248: probably. you can just brige the wired network too Jul 17 23:44:07 FreakGuard: bridge the wired network? Jul 17 23:44:31 iptables? wired? are we talking about a phone? Jul 17 23:45:21 newsham: nah, about the laptop I'm connecting to Jul 17 23:46:15 FreakGuard: Jul 17 23:46:48 So can I connect my G1, given some config file modifications, to a completely open ad-hoc network without much other (iptables-related) fuss? Jul 17 23:46:53 !bash Jul 17 23:51:42 anyone here knows the LG Viewty? Jul 17 23:51:46 what SO does it runs Jul 17 23:51:49 OS* Jul 17 23:52:31 LG Proprietary OS Jul 17 23:56:25 possible248: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/U2CfRKki8rtRmg7ghgzx/ for nat Jul 17 23:58:29 possible248: and iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT && echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and the ifconfig settings should be sufficient Jul 17 23:58:39 Okay Jul 18 00:00:42 Ah, here I am. Jul 18 00:00:56 I'm at the bootloader screen, about to flash DREAIMG.nbh Jul 18 00:01:12 I've bricked two Android phones so far. I'm afraid to go through the rooting process again. Jul 18 00:01:22 Though, rooting itself has been successful the past two times. Jul 18 00:01:33 Should I risk my phone? Jul 18 00:03:43 possible248: what was the issue? Jul 18 00:04:56 tzmt: The first time, I tried cross-compiling Python, and the whole situation--over a period of several hours--spiraled down to a brick. Jul 18 00:05:06 The second time, I was an idiot and flashed the SPL before the radio. Jul 18 00:05:30 and you were able to recover that? Jul 18 00:05:41 No. Both times, I had to get new phones. Jul 18 00:05:45 are you talking about haykuro rom? Jul 18 00:05:53 Yeah Jul 18 00:05:54 possible248: I would suggest you not use the sapphire bootloader :) Jul 18 00:05:58 I can't see how the first time Jul 18 00:06:04 right Jul 18 00:06:15 possible248: stick with bootloaders meant for dream, and you won't brick it Jul 18 00:06:16 tzmt: I'm not sure, either. It was several months ago, and I was doing one bad thing after another. Jul 18 00:06:30 JesusFreke: Wise words that I'll stick to. Jul 18 00:06:52 Ultimately, I have no choice *but* to root it now. Jul 18 00:06:55 JesusFreke: what bootloader do you suggest? or are some included in your image Jul 18 00:07:10 no, none are included in mine Jul 18 00:07:16 (A few seconds after I asked the channel whether or not to root, my finger twitched and I ended up flashing the image.) Jul 18 00:07:21 why do you have no choice? Jul 18 00:07:29 there's a "newer" developer one that seems to be good. It has the progress bars and such Jul 18 00:07:34 what image, rc29? Jul 18 00:07:39 I don't have a link handy for it though Jul 18 00:07:43 tzmt: Yes, rc29 Jul 18 00:07:54 which one do you mean, jf? Jul 18 00:08:27 JesusFreke: pff. I don't need them then ;-) Jul 18 00:08:38 I don't remember where it comes from tbh. maybe it's the newer bootloader included with the holiday firmware. I don't really recall Jul 18 00:08:39 do you have an utility to change startup screens? Jul 18 00:08:42 you need modified recovery and hspl unless you want to return to rc29 each time something goes wrong Jul 18 00:08:56 FreakGuard: you just use fastboot Jul 18 00:09:00 holiday is not really new Jul 18 00:09:05 no, it isn't Jul 18 00:10:08 hello Jul 18 00:10:16 JesusFreke: got a link handy? :-) Jul 18 00:10:22 (07:09:28 PM) JesusFreke: I don't have a link handy for it though Jul 18 00:10:27 doh. Jul 18 00:10:30 :p Jul 18 00:10:36 Dailymotion is pretty crap on mobile devices Jul 18 00:11:18 is that crap as in good crap? or crap as in bad crap? :) Jul 18 00:11:52 JesusFreke: crap like EPIC FAIL Jul 18 00:12:15 that would be the bad crap :) Jul 18 00:12:25 I do a simple search on dailymotion Jul 18 00:12:33 I don't even know what it is. lol Jul 18 00:12:37 that usually has 1000 results or more Jul 18 00:12:44 0 results on the mobile version Jul 18 00:12:49 I call it consiparcy Jul 18 00:12:57 conspiracy even Jul 18 00:15:19 Wow, RC29 looks so different from 1.5 Jul 18 00:15:29 yeah, it's the crap Jul 18 00:15:32 (the bad kind) Jul 18 00:16:31 Haha, no onscreen keyboard Jul 18 00:29:13 Should I get the US version of JF's firmware, or ADP1? Jul 18 00:29:51 possible248: you're from the US? Jul 18 00:30:12 FreakGuard: Currently residing in the US, yes Jul 18 00:30:48 so take that one? Jul 18 00:31:04 or where's your phone from? Jul 18 00:31:15 Also the US Jul 18 00:31:43 Hm, ADP1 is apparently missing some things. Jul 18 00:31:49 I flashed it before, but couldn't actually tell the difference. Jul 18 00:34:12 I'm using the EU one ;-) Jul 18 00:34:42 FreakGuard: Very nice, where are you from? Jul 18 00:34:49 not from the EU :P Jul 18 00:35:26 FreakGuard: I see. Any benefit to the EU firmware? Jul 18 00:36:03 well, can't compare it, using the english language on it anyway Jul 18 00:36:13 (after I found the setting in the filesystem somewhere :D) Jul 18 00:40:19 hey just got my 2600 mah battery Jul 18 00:40:20 man this thing is crazy big Jul 18 00:41:25 do people ever complain about loud background noise while using your phone? Jul 18 00:42:18 Haraken: Only when I'm next to a four-lane highway. Jul 18 00:42:27 (Which has happened, multiple times.) Jul 18 00:42:36 Anyway, is the 2600 mAh battery *too* big? Jul 18 00:42:54 well I am in the datacenter a lot and people complain about it but that's their proble cause I can hear them just fine Jul 18 00:43:02 no it's not *too* big Jul 18 00:43:06 it's actually kind cool Jul 18 00:43:11 adds a nice thickness to the phone Jul 18 00:43:19 what people say is true, typing on the keyboard is easier with it Jul 18 00:43:25 I'm thinking about purchasing one, so I can watch tons and tons of Youtube videos on my G1 using maximum brightness, but don't want a massive phone. Jul 18 00:43:50 How much did the battery cost? Jul 18 00:43:52 main reason i got it is because I don't like being afraid to use my phone Jul 18 00:43:54 about 50 bucks Jul 18 00:43:57 I got mine off of amazon Jul 18 00:44:01 shipped same day I ordered it Jul 18 00:44:09 50 US dollars, seems reasonable. Jul 18 00:44:23 yeah Jul 18 00:44:41 Could you send me some pictures? lol Jul 18 00:44:52 sure Jul 18 00:44:54 I'm really afraid of buying the battery, and then not using it. XD Jul 18 00:44:59 what kind of pictures you want Jul 18 00:45:07 how the phone looks with the new battery case and stuff? Jul 18 00:45:10 yeah Jul 18 00:45:17 Sorry for asking so much. :) Jul 18 00:45:22 ok lemme find something other than my phone to use as a camera Jul 18 00:45:28 probably gonna steal my room mate's phone :P Jul 18 00:45:32 haha Jul 18 00:46:16 Does that make me an accessory to theft? XD Jul 18 00:46:59 yes Jul 18 00:47:04 Oh well Jul 18 00:47:06 already got your screenshot posted on most wanted Jul 18 00:47:07 but it's ok Jul 18 00:47:39 trying to find something common to take a picture next to it Jul 18 00:48:05 wait, my screenshot? How will that help find me? XD Jul 18 00:48:23 no clue but at least it isn't your picture :P Jul 18 00:48:59 Well, at least I'll get away scot-free. :D Jul 18 00:49:20 man my desk is a mess Jul 18 00:49:37 If a desk isn't messy, it should be. Jul 18 00:50:43 ok took a picture of it with the extended battery Jul 18 00:50:46 now swapping battery Jul 18 00:50:58 Yay! :) Jul 18 00:51:16 I have a tape measurer sitting next to it for comparison Jul 18 00:56:27 whats in the new us update? Jul 18 00:56:36 possible248, waiting for texts to arrive Jul 18 00:56:43 and here they are Jul 18 00:56:46 Haraken: Okay Jul 18 00:56:49 going to upload them now Jul 18 01:00:19 his phone downsized them for txt send since it isn't a leet g1 ;) Jul 18 01:00:24 it's still good quality though Jul 18 01:00:45 bah gotta download ftp client again Jul 18 01:01:01 new install *sihg* Jul 18 01:01:04 sigh* Jul 18 01:01:10 Haraken: What desktop OS are you running? Jul 18 01:01:16 Windows 7 64bit Jul 18 01:02:45 call recording program? Jul 18 01:02:53 any recomendations? Jul 18 01:02:54 http://geo.animounted.net/g1_bat_1.jpg http://geo.animounted.net/g1_bat_2.jpg http://geo.animounted.net/g1_bat_3.jpg Jul 18 01:03:56 Wow Jul 18 01:04:01 That battery looks HUGE! Jul 18 01:04:09 the battery or the phone? xD Jul 18 01:04:23 The phone, with the battery in it, lol. Jul 18 01:04:36 yeah it's a decent size Jul 18 01:04:39 but hey guess what Jul 18 01:04:45 I won't run out of juice after screwing around with it all day Jul 18 01:04:48 :) Jul 18 01:04:53 Good point Jul 18 01:05:04 not to mention if it gets water damaged, I have a dry battery at home with the red sticker still in tact Jul 18 01:05:13 Red sticker? Jul 18 01:05:21 pink/red dots on a white sticker Jul 18 01:05:29 if it gets wet the sticker smears and changes colors Jul 18 01:05:38 thus voiding your warranty Jul 18 01:05:45 Oh Jul 18 01:05:51 I usually peel those off and stick them in a plastic bag Jul 18 01:06:02 Hey, I see my red sticker Jul 18 01:06:08 I've heard of some people using scotch tape but I'd rather not take the chance Jul 18 01:06:19 Wait, d'oh. Why did I pull my battery out while the phone was on? Jul 18 01:06:24 haha Jul 18 01:06:38 nice crash the o/s :P Jul 18 01:06:54 * possible248 has a personal FAIL. Jul 18 01:07:17 Well, I can't thank you more for taking the pictures. Jul 18 01:07:34 But I gotta go eat food, or I won't survive past the 2600 mAh battery life. Jul 18 01:07:40 heh Jul 18 01:07:44 no problem :) Jul 18 01:07:48 cya later :P Jul 18 01:07:51 bye Jul 18 01:15:38 hey guys... is there any way to format the SD card from the recovery console? Jul 18 01:15:58 alt+w goes to factory defaults.. is there a similar command to wipe the sd? Jul 18 01:17:27 why not just format it when connected to the computer? Jul 18 01:18:55 thanks, I hadn't thought of that Jul 18 01:19:04 anyone who isn't a complete retard? Jul 18 01:19:17 ?? Jul 18 01:19:29 I don't think there's a way Jul 18 01:19:36 Plagman: OK, thank you! Jul 18 01:19:41 I appreciate you answering my question in a direct, concise manner Jul 18 01:19:47 dude wtf Jul 18 01:19:50 you are the man. Jul 18 01:20:00 though if you have linux on your phone, you should be able to unmount the sdcard and format it from there Jul 18 01:20:09 by linux I mean an actual linux userspace such as debian Jul 18 01:20:14 fine, there isn't a way nkohh. go rtfm for mkfs Jul 18 01:20:20 right Jul 18 01:20:26 Haraken: obviously if i had a fucking computer i would have used it Jul 18 01:20:32 i didn't ask "can anyone tell me how to format an sd card" Jul 18 01:20:38 i asked "is there a way to format the sd card from recovery console" Jul 18 01:20:53 nkohh, you should be greatful anyone even answers your question instead of being a prick about an answer you weren't happy with Jul 18 01:21:00 it wasn't an answer Jul 18 01:21:02 it was a distraction Jul 18 01:21:10 nkohh: stop being a dick Jul 18 01:21:11 there were only TWO answers to that yquestion Jul 18 01:21:13 "yes, this way:" Jul 18 01:21:15 and "no" Jul 18 01:21:18 yours was NEITHER of those two Jul 18 01:21:19 nkohh: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=format+the+sd+card+from+recovery+console Jul 18 01:21:26 ferdna: obviously I googled it Jul 18 01:21:28 nerd Jul 18 01:21:42 hah Jul 18 01:21:59 nkohh: i guess you didnt type it correctly Jul 18 01:22:01 becuase Jul 18 01:22:02 seems like you're out of luck if you don't happen to have debian on your phone Jul 18 01:22:17 all you have to do is just type format H: Jul 18 01:22:25 huh? Jul 18 01:22:26 nkohh, please just ignore answers you don't like, rather than spam the channel with spite. Jul 18 01:22:31 from windows xp or vista... Jul 18 01:22:39 languish: you are right Jul 18 01:22:44 and I apologize to the channel at large. Jul 18 01:22:46 ferdna: he's talking about a phone's recovery console, presumably the G1 Jul 18 01:22:48 * nkohh will shut up now. Jul 18 01:23:00 Plagman, ah, thats a different story Jul 18 01:23:01 not windows' recovery console Jul 18 01:23:03 yes it is Jul 18 01:23:49 besides I'm not sure what you said would even works ince I don't think there's going to be a USB driver loaded in the recovery console Jul 18 01:24:12 and the card is not always going to be H: Jul 18 01:26:38 nkohh, try mke2fs Jul 18 01:26:59 ferdna, I think you misunderstand what he was asking Jul 18 01:27:06 no Jul 18 01:27:12 since the g1 runs on linux Jul 18 01:27:18 that may work Jul 18 01:27:19 :D Jul 18 01:27:34 maybe he's trolling me Jul 18 01:27:48 He's talking about a stage in the preocess where there is no command prompt. Jul 18 01:27:52 *process Jul 18 01:29:05 He was hoping there was an unlisted key combination to format the card. Jul 18 01:29:17 That's all Jul 18 01:29:31 ahh i see Jul 18 01:29:57 Esoteric Agenda - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3668973572884790300 Jul 18 01:29:59 nkohh, no.. just miscommunication Jul 18 01:33:54 how to cache OSM data to use with DroidCollector? Might be cheaper than all those data stuff Jul 18 01:42:44 wwwoooooowwwww my phone goes slow when its tethering Jul 18 01:42:50 think i might return this for an iphone Jul 18 01:42:54 shit just WORKS on that Jul 18 01:42:56 :P Jul 18 01:46:15 iphones are the future. Jul 18 01:48:33 I seem to have a google voice invite :) Jul 18 01:48:37 jpa--, thems fight`n words Jul 18 01:48:44 Leeds, thems also fight`n words Jul 18 01:48:45 xD Jul 18 01:48:57 I want google voice :( Jul 18 01:49:04 everyone is getting invites! Jul 18 01:49:21 I shall have to temporarily move (my web browser) to the US to take up the invite Jul 18 01:49:45 i check my email every time someone says they have a google voice invite in hopes that I got one in that round too Jul 18 01:51:22 just arrived 5 minutes ago Jul 18 01:51:38 watched tv today Jul 18 01:52:17 hmm... you need a valid forwarding number Jul 18 01:52:34 and there is some sort of network called HLN Jul 18 01:52:46 which has to mean Hillbilly Live Network Jul 18 01:52:53 because it obviously targets hillbillies Jul 18 01:53:08 Leeds, as in a us number? Jul 18 01:53:14 yes Jul 18 01:53:47 weird, do you have one? Jul 18 01:54:19 nope Jul 18 01:54:34 lol Jul 18 01:54:48 LOL Jul 18 01:54:56 i have oen Jul 18 01:54:58 want it? Jul 18 01:55:10 if you don't mind... that would be very helpful Jul 18 01:55:18 lol Jul 18 01:55:21 just kidding.. ;) Jul 18 01:55:29 git :P Jul 18 01:55:33 you could lend me it... Jul 18 01:55:35 i just thought it odd that people are on the google voice thing like i'ts going out of fashion Jul 18 01:55:38 haha Jul 18 01:55:49 eh, I guess I can't use the service anyway, and I'm happy enough with sipdroid for now Jul 18 01:56:49 believe it or not Jul 18 01:56:51 my mother has one Jul 18 01:56:52 lol Jul 18 01:56:57 she put herself on the google voice waiting list Jul 18 01:57:05 hmm Jul 18 01:57:05 hahaha.. wtf ? :) Jul 18 01:57:07 on apache Jul 18 01:57:34 if i set upa a virtual host, how the hell does it know if example1.org or exapmle2.org is being requested if both cname's point to my ip Jul 18 01:57:48 wondering if there'll be a proper typhoon warning today Jul 18 01:57:49 Leeds, does it have to be a cell phone number or will any number work? Jul 18 01:58:24 AakashPatel: there's a reason why it's called a name-based virtual host... HTTP 1.1 includes a Host header which allows the client to specify the hostname it thinks it's connecting to Jul 18 01:58:37 hm okay Jul 18 01:58:39 so its magic haha Jul 18 01:58:58 Haraken: any number, I think Jul 18 01:59:25 Leeds, sign up for a skypeout number just to get it going Jul 18 01:59:46 I've already got a skypeout number in the UK which I don't use :) Jul 18 02:00:04 right but you needed a us number :P Jul 18 02:01:21 oh isee Jul 18 02:01:33 you know what? it's 2009, I really don't do that much voice anyway... just signed up for the fun of it Jul 18 02:02:14 Leeds: lol Jul 18 02:02:24 Leeds: not really considering that you can just use google video chatting Jul 18 02:02:37 and that about 90% of $150-300 netbooks have a webcam Jul 18 02:02:57 goole is free.. and if someone isn't on the internet they're really not wroth talking to Jul 18 02:09:16 lol... "if someone isn't on the internet they're really not wroth talking to" Jul 18 02:09:57 JoeBrain, agreed Jul 18 02:10:04 punks and their non virtual lives Jul 18 02:10:05 pfft Jul 18 02:10:10 who do they think they are Jul 18 02:10:14 Unfortunately, the entire world isn't full of dorks like us Jul 18 02:10:30 lol some people... they even work outdoors! zomg Jul 18 02:10:31 it's ok, we'll be all that's left eventually Jul 18 02:10:56 survival of the fittest Jul 18 02:11:02 Can you imagine? Being out in the sunlight... for more than 2 minutes? Jebus.. Jul 18 02:11:03 except we aren't fit xD Jul 18 02:11:15 JoeBrain, don't get me started on how i have to travel to my office Jul 18 02:11:18 that ride is hell Jul 18 02:11:27 but it's ok because I Get to resume my normal pc life Jul 18 02:11:30 Walking from the parking spot to the door? Frightening Jul 18 02:11:39 xD Jul 18 02:13:25 lol Jul 18 02:13:29 <`vip> Is there a JF version that includes the changes in the new software update ? Jul 18 02:13:40 i work outside most of the time Jul 18 02:13:45 <`vip> Just got home from work and read about it Jul 18 02:13:47 i tether :-P Jul 18 02:13:50 lol Jul 18 02:14:27 I can't work in the sunlight b/c the screens are never bright enough :\ Jul 18 02:14:40 new mac unibody has glossy screen too.. yuck Jul 18 02:15:01 pressure is building, rumors claim matte options soon Jul 18 02:15:16 im just saying that on a personal level i would not associate with people who do not have an internet connection without a valid reason Jul 18 02:15:34 there is a 13" toughbook semi-rugged that markets 1000 nit screen for outdoor usage, but who knows how the power consumption is on that Jul 18 02:15:35 like being aumish or something Jul 18 02:15:38 anyone got jachero working on magic? Jul 18 02:15:40 * spikebike is considering a netbook once the nvidia ION chip becomes popular.. even 1080p becomes easy Jul 18 02:15:52 since ti seems to be super fast on the g1... it could just get faster on magic ;] Jul 18 02:15:57 I suppose it's less the net connection & more the always being on the computer... Jul 18 02:16:40 k4r1m: magic is faster than dream/g1? Jul 18 02:16:43 Also in AUS, video chat can get expensive if you use Skype enough.. data is $$ for broadband there :( Jul 18 02:16:51 I kinda like places directory Jul 18 02:18:08 darweth: yeah cpu is faster and has more ram. Jul 18 02:18:17 well atleast the 32A boarded magic Jul 18 02:18:36 zelrikriando: have u tried to get jachero to work? Jul 18 02:18:52 k4r1m: I dont try new roms Jul 18 02:19:12 I got my Hero stuff to work, so far I have no reason to change :) Jul 18 02:19:34 zelrikriando: its not new, its just for the g1. and plus it suppose to be way faster the hero we are running Jul 18 02:19:42 with lots of new features and fixes Jul 18 02:19:44 er, the Magic CPU is the same speed as the Dream Jul 18 02:19:52 I dont have a G1 Jul 18 02:20:31 zelrikriando: wow.... i dont think you have a clue what im talking about. Jul 18 02:20:40 yeah Jul 18 02:20:41 I dont Jul 18 02:21:00 loll Jul 18 02:21:15 What's jachero Jul 18 02:21:24 * darweth will keep waiting for an iphone that can dual boot Android. Jul 18 02:21:25 is that a rom Jul 18 02:23:08 zelrikriando: its a rom for g1 but someone is saying it works on magic Jul 18 02:23:18 oh ok Jul 18 02:23:36 so no Jul 18 02:23:42 I tend to not try new roms Jul 18 02:24:29 I get I need an easy way to backup my roms Jul 18 02:24:46 zelrikriando: ima try it out and tell u how it goes Jul 18 02:24:52 ok Jul 18 02:27:53 wooo Jul 18 02:27:57 got virtual hosts working Jul 18 02:28:01 it still seems like magic to me lol Jul 18 02:28:06 how do i isntall a clock skin Jul 18 02:28:31 huh. I just had a thought: has anyone tried putting android on an MP3 player? Jul 18 02:30:22 oooh, apparently so: http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/sony-building-android-based-walkman-and-pnd-for-2010-launch/ Jul 18 02:30:28 That would be awesome win. :D Jul 18 02:31:16 "We'll admit it, we expected to be knee-deep in Android gear by now. However, blah blah" Jul 18 02:33:54 Wait, Android 2.0 really is called Donut? Jul 18 02:34:05 yes. Jul 18 02:34:09 No Jul 18 02:34:10 Hah Jul 18 02:34:12 no? Jul 18 02:34:12 It is called 2.0 Jul 18 02:34:15 heh Jul 18 02:34:18 Donut is just the codename. Jul 18 02:34:18 Oh Jul 18 02:34:19 But that's the release name, no? Jul 18 02:34:34 * apeiron files darweth under 'pedant' (not really a pejorative, mind) Jul 18 02:34:51 omg this frigging michael jackson crap. this is why i dont watch tv Jul 18 02:35:12 Yeah, thanks for bringing it to IRC. Jul 18 02:35:15 anyway Jul 18 02:35:18 Macer: You excited for the World Cup? Jul 18 02:35:26 world cup? Jul 18 02:35:29 heh Jul 18 02:35:29 I think I will hold off on buying an MP3 player, given this news from Sony... Jul 18 02:35:29 This is #android, lol. Jul 18 02:35:43 apeiron: You want a Android-powered mp3 player? Jul 18 02:35:52 apeiron: why not use he phone instead? Jul 18 02:36:03 he/the Jul 18 02:36:10 Macer, Because playing audio all the time as I will want will drain the battery, and I already use it heavily for other stuff. Jul 18 02:36:24 apeiron: You need a 2600mAH battery. Jul 18 02:36:25 darweth, Sure, why not? It's a competition between Android and Rockbox, for me. Jul 18 02:36:27 apeiron: good point Jul 18 02:36:42 I have a Sony MP3 player already. Jul 18 02:36:50 I mostly play music on my G1 now though. Jul 18 02:36:51 darweth, But does it run something OS? Jul 18 02:36:52 i have a sandisk Jul 18 02:36:59 apeiron: no. Jul 18 02:37:04 But the volume goes much louder than the G1. Jul 18 02:37:05 that looks like it runs symbian Jul 18 02:37:13 Yeah, the OS bit is important to me. Jul 18 02:37:14 darweth: get bt headphones Jul 18 02:38:26 Can you get A2DP on the G1? Jul 18 02:38:34 yes Jul 18 02:38:39 what s A2DP Jul 18 02:38:45 at least on 1.5 Jul 18 02:39:18 a2dp works good Jul 18 02:39:20 a2dp is bluetooth stereo audio. Jul 18 02:39:25 bbl Jul 18 02:39:26 ok Jul 18 02:39:50 or change acoustic tables Jul 18 02:41:02 Okay, so, according to http://www.htc.com/www/product/g1/specification.html, the G1 ships with a 1150 mAh battery, right? Jul 18 02:41:25 Trying to get a conceptual feel for how much a 2600 mAh battery will improve over what I have presently. Jul 18 02:43:11 Hello, everyone, I meet a problem while compiling the zImage to be used by emulator. Can anyone who know helps? Thanks! Jul 18 02:43:32 The error message is:drivers/built-in.o: In function `akmd_ioctl': Jul 18 02:43:33 drivers/i2c/chips/akm8976.c:766: undefined reference to `get_akm_cal_ram' Jul 18 02:43:33 make: *** [.tmp_vmlinux1] Error 1 Jul 18 02:43:47 what emulator? Jul 18 02:44:27 the emulator maked by android source code, in the out/ folder Jul 18 02:45:05 ah, did you try cursing at it? Jul 18 02:45:33 or perhaps verbal demoralization? Jul 18 02:45:45 sarcasm? Jul 18 02:45:58 actually I does not go to that step, I am now want to make a kernel which can be used by that emulator, so I am on the road of compiling now Jul 18 02:46:10 sorry for my slow typing. :) Jul 18 02:46:30 lol, are you on a android too, lol Jul 18 02:46:46 sorry for being of no help :< Jul 18 02:48:03 that's OK, I am now google for some help information on the topic "akm8976", but no luck, so I think maybe in IRC, there are someone who knows Jul 18 02:48:36 hi ivantis! Jul 18 02:48:41 akm8976 seems a sensor which android use Jul 18 02:48:51 yes, magnetic/compass Jul 18 02:48:57 goingtoworkfan, ...hi...? Jul 18 02:49:20 hey whats up ivantis? Jul 18 02:49:35 I donqt believe goldfish has one Jul 18 02:49:41 ....who are you? Jul 18 02:49:44 what Jul 18 02:49:45 hows your android phone serving you? Jul 18 02:49:48 you have the wrong defconfug I think Jul 18 02:49:51 does g1 have a real compass Jul 18 02:49:57 yes Jul 18 02:50:20 ivantis, i am just a person Jul 18 02:50:26 droid: what defconfig are you using? Jul 18 02:50:28 dont know you Jul 18 02:52:52 tmzt: I am using arch/arm/configs/msm_defconfig, and I add the support of ARM926T in the menu config, but I am still using 2.6.27, not .29, will that be a problem? Jul 18 02:54:22 droid: for emulator? try goldfish+defconfig Jul 18 02:54:46 shouldn't be, which kernel? from repo sync? Jul 18 02:55:29 goingtoworkfan, my phone is pretty cool Jul 18 02:55:56 Something weird just happened: I pressed menu to do something, and the background of the unlock screen was the default wallpaper Jul 18 02:56:08 tmzt: Yes, for emulator, can you tell me some web url I can follow? because I am following some article to do the stuff, I am not so familiar with kernel compiling, OK, I will find it out Jul 18 02:56:30 Until I unlocked it and it turned into my la tour eiffel wallpaper Jul 18 02:56:48 tmzt: yes, I've done two repo sync, and my last repo sync seems last week. Jul 18 02:57:33 tmzt: and while I am doing the menu config, I saw in the screen is 2.6.27... Jul 18 02:58:02 forget that Jul 18 02:58:10 use goldfish defconfig **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 18 02:59:56 2009