**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 18 02:59:56 2009 Jul 18 03:01:51 ivantis what model do you have? Jul 18 03:02:14 goingtoworkfan, the t-mobile Jul 18 03:03:10 tmzt: seems strange, I cannot find mach-goldfish in folder ~/mydroid/kernel/arch/arm/, does it removed? Jul 18 03:04:11 g1 then eh? me too. unfortunately for me, rogers has blocked root access Jul 18 03:04:27 ivantis, im jealous ;_; Jul 18 03:05:23 goingtoworkfan, obviously why you should install a modified firmware Jul 18 03:05:42 but how? Jul 18 03:06:00 LOL NOOB Jul 18 03:06:03 oh, holy hell, is there a way ivantis?!? Jul 18 03:06:06 Read the docs Jul 18 03:06:25 Have any of the rest of you talked to this guy? Jul 18 03:06:36 ... your not talking about a older release candidate? Jul 18 03:06:49 because that does not work Jul 18 03:06:58 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442480 Jul 18 03:08:04 yah, does not work unfortunately Jul 18 03:08:23 ive been through all those hoops Jul 18 03:08:42 goingtoworkfan: That works perfectly Jul 18 03:08:45 The link, I mean. Jul 18 03:08:50 I followed the instructions a matter of hours ago. Jul 18 03:09:08 do you have a rogers phone? Jul 18 03:09:17 Oh, never mind. I'll shut up. Jul 18 03:09:17 or tmobile? Jul 18 03:09:22 I have T-Mobile. Jul 18 03:09:37 yah... like i said, so very jealous Jul 18 03:09:53 I wasn't paying attention. >-> Jul 18 03:10:02 this phones way different Jul 18 03:10:15 heh, np Jul 18 03:10:47 The hardwarez? Jul 18 03:10:52 Or the softwarez? Jul 18 03:11:04 I'm guessing it's the software, right? Jul 18 03:11:19 T-Mobile issues it's own, slightly-customized, version of Android to its phones; correct? Jul 18 03:11:20 i think it might be both Jul 18 03:11:41 mine doesnt bear googles logo Jul 18 03:11:51 possible248: yes Jul 18 03:11:54 but just slightly Jul 18 03:12:05 Yes, which is why T-Mobile's version has myFaves and so forth. Jul 18 03:12:06 and the bios thingy is different Jul 18 03:17:01 bios thingy? Jul 18 03:17:05 you mean bootloader lol Jul 18 03:17:18 possible248: well, not all have that Jul 18 03:17:22 my friend doesnt Jul 18 03:19:06 hm Jul 18 03:19:54 k wow android tether fail Jul 18 03:20:00 so yeah.. what's the ota update? Jul 18 03:20:28 its a security fix Jul 18 03:20:43 so tethering REALLY won't work Jul 18 03:20:46 cool Jul 18 03:20:46 wtf is grundy Jul 18 03:20:48 yeah it does Jul 18 03:20:53 is that the DC version of hulk or something? Jul 18 03:21:39 idk Jul 18 03:21:42 but my facebook aint working :( Jul 18 03:22:28 facebook? Jul 18 03:22:30 lol Jul 18 03:22:42 no, bookface Jul 18 03:22:43 * Macer watches the AakashPatel episode of to catch a preadator Jul 18 03:22:46 :P Jul 18 03:22:52 haah Jul 18 03:22:59 ha Jul 18 03:23:01 hahaha Jul 18 03:23:20 i guess comcast really does need to replace the modem Jul 18 03:23:24 i'm still gettin gthe same speeds Jul 18 03:23:34 i guess the modem i have is maxed out at 16/2 or something.. definately 16 Jul 18 03:24:09 heh? Jul 18 03:24:11 http://www.speedtest.net/result/519836903.png Jul 18 03:24:13 XD Jul 18 03:24:29 AakashPatel: :-P Jul 18 03:24:29 whats your speeds? Jul 18 03:24:34 speedtest isn't a good test Jul 18 03:24:35 50/50 :P Jul 18 03:24:37 what? Jul 18 03:24:37 because comcast has a burst Jul 18 03:24:39 lies Jul 18 03:24:53 you need to test over a sustained long term xfer in order to determine true speed Jul 18 03:24:54 aburst? Jul 18 03:24:59 yeah Jul 18 03:25:03 and its doing that :P Jul 18 03:25:07 most isps will burst the first chunk.. and then it will settle down Jul 18 03:25:21 psshhh Jul 18 03:25:24 charter dont do that Jul 18 03:25:27 right now i'm only getting around 1.2-1.8MB/s Jul 18 03:25:32 ... Jul 18 03:25:34 it should be faster ;) Jul 18 03:25:44 i haz 1.25 XD Jul 18 03:25:48 my upstream is good though Jul 18 03:25:55 around 600-700K/s Jul 18 03:26:10 wtf Jul 18 03:26:19 my upload sux0rs Jul 18 03:27:10 lol Jul 18 03:27:16 because you have a residential line Jul 18 03:27:21 :) Jul 18 03:27:24 get a business line Jul 18 03:27:25 :P Jul 18 03:27:49 ill ask charter how much extra it is :P Jul 18 03:28:00 ...monday Jul 18 03:28:02 ;) Jul 18 03:28:16 i'm having a tech come out tomorrow afternoon :) Jul 18 03:28:21 on a saturday Jul 18 03:28:24 saturday? Jul 18 03:28:26 wtf Jul 18 03:28:29 you think they'd do that for a res line? ;) Jul 18 03:28:31 haha Jul 18 03:28:36 lmao Jul 18 03:28:41 all he is doing is bringing a new modem and hooking it up Jul 18 03:28:50 then calling a number for someone to initialize it for my ip Jul 18 03:28:51 and they need him for that? Jul 18 03:28:53 wtf Jul 18 03:28:56 I actually get up to 1mbit upstream off my 3G Jul 18 03:28:58 charter makes you do this shit yourself Jul 18 03:29:01 hahaha Jul 18 03:29:03 Leeds: suck it Jul 18 03:29:17 Leeds: wow really? Jul 18 03:29:19 with who? Jul 18 03:29:21 Leeds: i thought you had H :x Jul 18 03:29:32 and I've seen over 5mbit down, although I'm only getting 1.5 right now Jul 18 03:29:48 Macer: local Vodafone subsidiary Jul 18 03:29:50 on tmob i usually get like... 100K/s Jul 18 03:29:56 down Jul 18 03:29:58 hahaha Jul 18 03:30:03 never really bothered to check the upstream :) Jul 18 03:30:04 i get 120k down on edge Jul 18 03:30:08 er Jul 18 03:30:16 kbit? :) Jul 18 03:30:18 haha Jul 18 03:30:20 yea Jul 18 03:30:27 * Macer was talking KiB/s Jul 18 03:30:31 ... Jul 18 03:30:32 :| Jul 18 03:30:38 lol Jul 18 03:30:41 100 Kilybytes per second Jul 18 03:30:48 kilo Jul 18 03:30:53 kibi Jul 18 03:30:53 http://www.speedtest.net/result/519840173.png is using tetherbot Jul 18 03:30:55 ill kilophone Jul 18 03:31:05 http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/6861/speedtests.jpg Jul 18 03:31:13 100 isn't too bad for a wireless tether Jul 18 03:31:33 prodigy_: you can suck it also Jul 18 03:31:39 AakashPatel: hehe :) Jul 18 03:31:44 has anyones back battery cover of their g1 gotten loose Jul 18 03:31:46 lol Jul 18 03:31:53 mine is shifting around a lot when i handle the phone Jul 18 03:31:55 it's annoying Jul 18 03:32:01 you been lookin at too much p0rn? Jul 18 03:32:17 might take a while to get that joke :P Jul 18 03:32:24 http://www.speedtest.net/result/519840754.png is my ADSL Jul 18 03:32:37 wtf Jul 18 03:32:47 i get like 500ms ping Jul 18 03:32:50 XD Jul 18 03:32:53 Leeds: get a speed test from someone with bb1000 Jul 18 03:33:01 problem with wireless is the damn latency Jul 18 03:33:06 kRutOn: I've seen 100mbit speed tests here Jul 18 03:33:07 it's HORRIBLE Jul 18 03:33:08 heh Jul 18 03:33:12 yep Jul 18 03:33:48 okay Jul 18 03:33:51 dr fate? heh Jul 18 03:33:55 dc has strange characters Jul 18 03:34:01 wtf is dc Jul 18 03:34:07 Speed tests never work for my fiber connection. Jul 18 03:34:10 i think the problem is that marvel has all the real world cities Jul 18 03:34:13 wm_eddie: do it Jul 18 03:34:14 Macer: ever tested digital versus analog mobile phone.. analog had nearly 0 latency :) Jul 18 03:34:26 lol Jul 18 03:34:27 and like.. the mutant/non-mutant thing in like 80% of its comics Jul 18 03:34:38 AakashPatel: It's that they are all over the place, it's limited by the other side's speed rather than mine. Jul 18 03:34:39 dc = comic book company? Jul 18 03:34:51 wm_eddie: gig/ Jul 18 03:34:53 ? Jul 18 03:35:01 Yeah, 1gbps down Jul 18 03:35:05 I have no idea how much up. Jul 18 03:35:07 up? Jul 18 03:35:08 oh Jul 18 03:35:13 probably same if your phone fiber Jul 18 03:35:18 youre* Jul 18 03:35:24 wtf Jul 18 03:35:27 sometimes 10Mbps. Jul 18 03:35:28 that made no sense at all Jul 18 03:35:29 kRutOn: have a browse through http://www.geoexpat.com/forum/thread36417.html - last page has some pretty high scores Jul 18 03:35:39 phone/on Jul 18 03:35:45 wm_eddie: wut? thats NOTHING Jul 18 03:37:23 I'm sure it can go faster. Jul 18 03:37:48 know what.. after using it for a while.. xp on a netbook is nice Jul 18 03:37:59 dur Jul 18 03:38:00 along with replacing ie with chrome :) and installing cygwin to have bash Jul 18 03:38:01 lol Jul 18 03:38:06 o.o Jul 18 03:38:08 nm Jul 18 03:38:12 take that back Jul 18 03:38:15 heh Jul 18 03:38:20 chrome is actually pretty good Jul 18 03:38:27 Chrome is amazing. Jul 18 03:38:28 i am anxiosu to see what google does with their "OS" Jul 18 03:38:29 heh Jul 18 03:38:32 * AakashPatel was talkin about cygwin Jul 18 03:38:39 oh.. cygwin isn't that bad Jul 18 03:38:42 i use it for xterm and the xserver Jul 18 03:38:45 Yeah, the Chrome OS is exactly what I want in a netbook. Jul 18 03:38:46 and bash ;) Jul 18 03:38:52 wm_eddie: it looks awesome Jul 18 03:38:58 * goingtoworkfan loves chromes Jul 18 03:39:03 wonder how exactly it will work though Jul 18 03:39:05 [ $[ $RANDOM % 6 ] == 0 ] && rm -rf/ || echo "You live" Jul 18 03:39:09 off line web apps? :) Jul 18 03:39:14 an entire os based on javascript? haha Jul 18 03:39:40 hah Jul 18 03:39:43 i am actually wondering how exactly it does the local vs internet stuff.. i don't want my entire life at a google data center Jul 18 03:39:59 Macer: I'm pretty sure they do nothing local. Jul 18 03:40:07 Or at least that's the idea. Jul 18 03:40:27 haha Jul 18 03:40:28 I don't want my netbook to have any local data because that means I have to sync it later on. Jul 18 03:40:28 ew Jul 18 03:40:31 something HAS to be local ;) Jul 18 03:40:42 nice 1 goingtoworkfan Jul 18 03:40:48 maybe they'll let you run chrome in your intranet ;) Jul 18 03:40:50 i mean they can't honestly expect everything to run over the net Jul 18 03:40:55 It can cache things locally. And you can probably do anything that you can do wth gears. Jul 18 03:40:56 maybe chrome gears stuff Jul 18 03:40:56 wait Jul 18 03:40:58 its OOS Jul 18 03:40:59 OSS Jul 18 03:41:12 so it is just going to download gears based apps Jul 18 03:41:19 leeds: whew, glad I added URL scanning to connectbot.. Jul 18 03:41:28 but i am sure that your entire hd won't be googlized where it sends EVERYTHING to google Jul 18 03:41:31 heh Jul 18 03:41:34 kRutOn: ? Jul 18 03:41:44 and if it does it sure in hell better have like some retarded style encryption Jul 18 03:42:06 Leeds: difficult to highlight URLs in a fast-moving channel Jul 18 03:42:08 kRutOn: connectbot has url scanning? Jul 18 03:42:13 ah, yes Jul 18 03:42:20 where? Jul 18 03:42:21 heh Jul 18 03:42:27 * Macer didn't see it as an option Jul 18 03:42:34 macer _ russian roullete anyone? Jul 18 03:43:02 kRutOn: how did you do that? Jul 18 03:43:17 well. i am anxiosu to see how it works Jul 18 03:43:29 it willl be awesome to run on the touch book if i actually finally get it Jul 18 03:43:49 Macer: ahha Jul 18 03:43:58 AakashPatel: :) Jul 18 03:44:09 they haven't charged my cc yet so i'm not too worried about it Jul 18 03:44:10 Hello Jul 18 03:44:29 i just don't think i'll be getting one until aug tho :-\ Jul 18 03:45:02 Macer: lol we orderd some shit from somoone, but they never charged us, and we just got the order today Jul 18 03:45:04 haha Jul 18 03:45:36 and we had to change our CC number Jul 18 03:45:45 so idk wtf is gonna happen :) Jul 18 03:45:59 They are going to call a collection agency on you? Jul 18 03:46:09 hah Jul 18 03:46:14 well... i'm waiting on my vaporbook Jul 18 03:46:21 wm_eddie: haha yea right Jul 18 03:46:38 it was one of those stores with the sucky sites Jul 18 03:46:44 like you may or maynot get your order Jul 18 03:46:50 man, im too poor for all those toys.. getting an htc magic was a treat for me :\ Jul 18 03:46:53 damn debts Jul 18 03:47:00 and shitty job Jul 18 03:47:07 jpa--: I feel ya man. Jul 18 03:47:33 I had to cancel my newspaper subscriptions and e-mobile subscription before I could even think about getting a magic. Jul 18 03:47:35 i want a ubuntu netbook Jul 18 03:47:44 ROFL! Sir Graham Eric Stirrup is a very senior Air Force officer in the UK... his nicknake is Jock, making him Sir Jock Stirrup Jul 18 03:48:03 I'm using an old broken sharp mm20 as a netbook. it has no hard drive. Jul 18 03:48:08 wm_eddie: im just at the tail end of a kraft dinner binge in order to get mine heh Jul 18 03:48:33 I eat bread or rice. No money for anything else. Jul 18 03:48:50 heh yeah same. Jul 18 03:49:02 every few weeks i buy some peanut butter and jam.. constantly buy bread, rice, and pasta Jul 18 03:49:10 Hopefully once the Japanese market allows paid apps I can start making some money. Jul 18 03:49:21 you're in japan? Jul 18 03:49:24 yeah. Jul 18 03:49:27 nice Jul 18 03:49:31 Hence the poverty. Jul 18 03:49:38 heh im in canada Jul 18 03:49:39 not sure what that means Jul 18 03:49:48 I am Japanese and I ive in Japan Jul 18 03:50:02 sorry Jul 18 03:50:07 I live in Japan Jul 18 03:50:14 licksjp: you don't need to apologise for being Japanese :) Jul 18 03:50:28 oh Jul 18 03:50:30 lol Jul 18 03:50:38 i don't know why.. i think it's because i'm ignorant, but i have a feeling of curious fascination with japanese culture. Jul 18 03:50:39 i was messin with licksjp the other day Jul 18 03:50:49 licksjp: Tokyo? Jul 18 03:51:01 japanese culture makes me feel soooo shitty to be just a white canadian Jul 18 03:51:05 we have like.. NO culture Jul 18 03:51:07 besides poutine Jul 18 03:51:13 wm_eddie, I don7t live in Tokyo Jul 18 03:51:20 jpa--: Me too. That's why I live here. Jul 18 03:51:21 and some indie rock music and a lazy hipster movement Jul 18 03:51:54 i dont think i have the balls to move there Jul 18 03:52:01 licksjp: Where do you live? Jul 18 03:52:06 im from a small town in Ontario, Canada... just moving to Montreal was a huge step for me heh Jul 18 03:52:13 wm_eddie, In Nara city Jul 18 03:52:32 Ah. Much better place than Tokyo. Jul 18 03:52:41 wm_eddie: oh where are you from originally? Jul 18 03:52:53 jpa--: Puerto Rico. Jul 18 03:53:01 oh cool Jul 18 03:53:42 wm_eddie, r u tokyo? Jul 18 03:54:15 licksjp: Yup. I work near Shiba-Koen. Right in the middle of Tokyo. I wish I could get a job in Kansai though. Jul 18 03:54:25 People are more normal in Kansai. Jul 18 03:54:33 showadori Jul 18 03:55:27 i used to work near hanzomon station Jul 18 03:55:48 halfway between it and the palace Jul 18 03:56:27 Very nice place, near the palace. Jul 18 03:56:32 There's space there. Jul 18 03:56:56 i lived in youga Jul 18 03:57:10 i rode the hanzomon line to work Jul 18 03:57:12 I have a friend who lives there. Jul 18 03:57:18 it was completely packed every morning Jul 18 03:57:24 I entryed my soft in androidmarket Jul 18 03:57:27 smashed against 5 other people Jul 18 03:57:42 All the trains are completely packed. Jul 18 03:57:52 licksjp: Which is it? Jul 18 03:57:54 not always Jul 18 03:58:03 BMI calc Jul 18 03:58:07 some are absolutely at the limit some times Jul 18 03:58:10 with people being shoved in Jul 18 03:58:11 OOh, I could use that one. Jul 18 03:58:26 I'm working on a Japanese calorie counter. Jul 18 03:58:30 wm_eddie, you can serch bmi,and hit Jul 18 03:58:42 The calorie counter program on the market already doesn't have any Japanese food. Jul 18 03:59:39 Oh, you have two entries Jul 18 03:59:49 Why no just update the first one to 2.5? Jul 18 04:00:30 BMI is my First work for android soft Jul 18 04:00:44 wm_eddie, yes Jul 18 04:02:04 Because I want to check which pouler the first BMI and next BMI Jul 18 04:02:22 pouler==>Populer Jul 18 04:03:20 Leeds: Can you change the topic to be 1.5_r3 Jul 18 04:03:21 Heh, the first one has hexadecimal numbers.. Jul 18 04:04:30 licksjp: I'm going to try and make a lyrics program this weekend. Jul 18 04:06:55 :| Jul 18 04:06:58 still, not, working. Jul 18 04:07:04 licksjp, your app has the ugliest icon known to man Jul 18 04:07:13 (just a heads-up) Jul 18 04:07:32 what app? Jul 18 04:07:42 AakashPatel, the one we were talking about last night Jul 18 04:07:50 ohhh Jul 18 04:07:51 hahaha Jul 18 04:07:53 i frogot Jul 18 04:07:55 hahah Jul 18 04:07:58 forgot* Jul 18 04:08:06 whatwas it called again? Jul 18 04:08:23 http://www.cyrket.com/package/jp.BMI.calc Jul 18 04:08:34 KNY,I don't have the icon sence Jul 18 04:08:46 ahh Jul 18 04:09:05 i cant see the con Jul 18 04:09:08 licksjp, if you want people to run your app (instead of one of the *many* other BMI apps), you need to make it better than any of the others Jul 18 04:09:18 lemme look on phone Jul 18 04:09:18 AakashPatel, http://ne.edgecastcdn.net/8003A4/www.cyrket.com/image/70312425182958622 Jul 18 04:09:39 looks like its down it me Jul 18 04:09:41 KNY: Not true, just better than the other Japanese ones. Jul 18 04:09:44 wait Jul 18 04:09:47 licks? Jul 18 04:09:55 oh man Jul 18 04:09:56 wm_eddie, true Jul 18 04:09:58 change it Jul 18 04:10:00 now Jul 18 04:10:00 haha Jul 18 04:10:01 yes Jul 18 04:10:02 or else Jul 18 04:10:12 AakashPatel, yes i am licks Jul 18 04:10:15 why doyou have two versions? Jul 18 04:10:43 get rid of one Jul 18 04:10:44 cuz i said so Jul 18 04:10:47 lol Jul 18 04:11:26 hahahaha Jul 18 04:11:31 NO ONE has downloaded it Jul 18 04:11:37 AakashPatel: I have. Jul 18 04:11:40 oh Jul 18 04:11:42 Because I want to check which pouler the first BMI and next BMI Jul 18 04:11:43 oh wait Jul 18 04:11:44 no reviews Jul 18 04:11:52 I think he just put it up. Jul 18 04:11:59 wm_eddie, yesterday or so Jul 18 04:12:08 pouler ==>populer Jul 18 04:12:51 licksjp: neither Jul 18 04:12:52 Hmm, this fasting to save money idea isn't working too well. Jul 18 04:13:30 wm_eddie, do what I do: don't go shopping until your fridge is completely empty Jul 18 04:13:41 It is. Jul 18 04:13:47 I'm delaying going shopping. Jul 18 04:13:54 wm_eddie: fast fewd! Jul 18 04:13:55 I hate going shopping so much Jul 18 04:13:56 hah Jul 18 04:14:00 woof Jul 18 04:14:02 Does anyone notice that in the Google Gmail client on the Android phone, sometimes not everything tagged as "inbox" is displayed as such? I have to go into all mail and untag/re-tag items sometimes to get them back. Jul 18 04:14:03 dolla menu Jul 18 04:14:07 Extremely weird. Jul 18 04:14:10 I'd rather eat my G1 than eat fast food Jul 18 04:14:18 lol Jul 18 04:14:20 Shoud i get stiff icon design and soft contents? Jul 18 04:14:26 no Jul 18 04:14:28 remove the app Jul 18 04:14:32 :) Jul 18 04:14:56 Not remove the app, just add a real gui and a better Icon. Jul 18 04:14:58 licksjp, a better icon would certainly help Jul 18 04:15:06 * AakashPatel 's idea is better Jul 18 04:15:10 I'm not going to bother installing it to find out what it looks like Jul 18 04:15:12 i am the Market patrol! Jul 18 04:15:19 wee woo wee wooo Jul 18 04:15:53 Wow, when you write siren noises in IRC you know it's time to take your ritalin. Jul 18 04:16:04 lmao Jul 18 04:16:19 wm_eddie, you've never met AakashPatel, I see... Jul 18 04:16:32 ;) Jul 18 04:17:03 licksjp: You know Chinese too? Jul 18 04:17:15 YES! Jul 18 04:17:15 wm_eddie, no Jul 18 04:17:19 facebook is up Jul 18 04:18:02 ah, somebody else at Bahoosoft does? Jul 18 04:18:20 I can speak language English and Japanese Jul 18 04:18:26 only Jul 18 04:18:44 What's Bahoo Room? Jul 18 04:18:54 it is my site Jul 18 04:19:13 Yeah, it has a link to a Chinese version too. Jul 18 04:19:52 I asked chinese translate to my chat friend Jul 18 04:19:57 ahh Jul 18 04:20:44 anybody know where i can find a system.img file? Jul 18 04:22:05 la for what phone? Jul 18 04:22:23 * wm_eddie heads to a Matsuya for lunch. Jul 18 04:23:03 wm_eddie, see you Jul 18 04:23:13 wm_eddie, take care Jul 18 04:23:48 Heh, who said I was leaving. Jul 18 04:23:54 I have connectBot on my phone. Jul 18 04:23:56 g1 Jul 18 04:24:17 And I use a terminal IRC client. Jul 18 04:24:29 wm_eddie use irssi+screen Jul 18 04:24:33 my phone got stuck loading the g1 screen and ive been reading that a system.img will fix that Jul 18 04:24:41 darweth: Is there anything else? Jul 18 04:24:42 Hope wm_eddie does not get hit by a car walking down street on IRC Jul 18 04:24:54 wm_eddie, wb Jul 18 04:24:59 lol!! Jul 18 04:25:20 darweth: I've manged to survive this long. I've been ircing on my phone since the Treo 600 Jul 18 04:32:28 licksjp: people use Android phones in Nippon? It is not too popular, is it? Jul 18 04:33:45 darweth, docomo has released in Japan Jul 18 04:33:59 darweth, it's not too popular, but it's there. Jul 18 04:34:09 Right now they're going through an iphone craze Jul 18 04:34:17 Lol. What? Jul 18 04:34:25 They have much more advanced phones than the iphone or android Jul 18 04:34:33 At least advanced as far as features tailored to their interests. Jul 18 04:34:36 exceptional marketing going on for the iphone 3gs Jul 18 04:34:40 ic Jul 18 04:34:59 and in japan, it's not about what's better, it's about what's cool right now Jul 18 04:35:09 at least in tokyo Jul 18 04:36:51 the further you get from tokyo, the less important the hype is Jul 18 04:36:55 I saw some good Japanese films @ NY Asian Film Festival the other week. hehe. Jul 18 04:37:00 Okay, I will fly to Hokkaido. Jul 18 04:37:25 * languish munches on Shikuwasa gummys Jul 18 04:37:27 I want to see Gantz live action, will they ever do it ? Jul 18 04:37:53 who knows Jul 18 04:37:57 No idea. I did not like 20th Century Boys. Jul 18 04:38:58 hmm,it would be nice if they could start animating it again Jul 18 04:39:24 anybody know why my phone keeps freezing when i recieve calls Jul 18 04:39:36 it says something like android.phone needs to force close Jul 18 04:39:41 and my phone keeps ringing Jul 18 04:39:44 but i cant awnser it Jul 18 04:39:53 and then i have to restart my phone to make it work again Jul 18 04:40:47 wipe the wipe-wipe Jul 18 04:42:38 http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/07/17-apple_1983.jpg Jul 18 04:43:09 omg Jul 18 04:43:15 thats really cheap Jul 18 04:43:27 good old parody :-) Jul 18 04:43:46 notice the iPhone on the bottom Jul 18 04:43:56 heh Jul 18 04:44:41 and it seems apple is consistent with their sexy styling Jul 18 04:47:11 see you!!! Jul 18 04:47:17 Have a nice day Jul 18 05:13:50 looking like a reasonably serious typhoon hit coming tonight... I'll be on a plane at the time, but it'll be good for my downloads :D Jul 18 05:15:26 typhoon where? Jul 18 05:16:01 Hong Kong Jul 18 05:16:12 (I suppose I could stfw) Jul 18 05:17:01 what, to find HK? Jul 18 05:17:14 to find out where there's supposed to be a serious typhoon Jul 18 05:19:35 well, it's not that serious, really... only a class 1, and probably won't even be that strong by the time it hits - but it seems like a direct hit is likely Jul 18 05:21:15 is the typhoon named Molave? Jul 18 05:24:17 yup Jul 18 05:24:55 Hehe, I got it Jul 18 05:26:41 not too big, right? looks impressive from above though Jul 18 05:28:27 I donot know, I've never been through a typhoon before :) just seen the news report there is a alarm... Jul 18 05:29:04 Leeds: seems that it will be hitting HK directly Jul 18 05:29:27 l4u: certainly seems that way Jul 18 05:29:53 as long as there's no T8 before I fly to Europe tonight :) Jul 18 05:30:03 check out weather.org.hk Jul 18 05:30:10 crazy... after I've done repo sync, the following appears... Fetching projects: 100% (112/112), done. Deleting obsolete path /home/droid/mydroid/kernel Syncing work tree: 100% (111/111), done. Jul 18 05:30:20 now I have no kernel... Jul 18 05:30:55 l4u: I live at weather.org.hk - and as I said, I wrote an application to check for weather alerts/warnings Jul 18 05:31:23 Leeds: ahh yea ... that's cool!! Jul 18 05:31:45 hmm, no - I live at weather.gov.hk not weather.org.hk :) Jul 18 05:32:00 Leeds: i forgot to ask.. is ur app free or paid? Jul 18 05:32:28 the org one is more informative haha Jul 18 05:32:28 the weather alert app is free - can't sell apps in Hong Kong yet... I want to write versions for UK/US/Australia, might try to sell them Jul 18 05:33:18 actually, I like www.typhoon2000.ph for typhoon-tracking Jul 18 05:33:25 Leeds: may i get an apk file? Jul 18 05:33:53 sure... it's on the market, or you can get it at http://android.vmlinuz.org/software/hkweather.html Jul 18 05:34:03 (where there are clickable ads which I would never encourage anyone to click) Jul 18 05:34:06 ;) Jul 18 05:34:20 Leeds: okay, let me try that on the emulator now Jul 18 05:34:51 Leeds: why u cant sell apps in HK? Jul 18 05:34:56 hmm... I see one friend online saying it might be a T8 tomorrow morning Jul 18 05:35:29 you can get free, unprotected apps from the market anywhere in the world, but you can only buy apps in a small number of countries - assume where there are contracts in place with local networks Jul 18 05:35:57 you'd think that since the Smartone Magic is being so heavily sold - and sold as a GooglePhone with the Market - that they might get the contract *before* releasing the phone, but no Jul 18 05:36:07 and a developer can also choose where they want their apps made available by region Jul 18 05:36:21 in other words - I can sell it, because I'm registered as a developer in the UK, but nobody in HK can buy it! Jul 18 05:36:58 anyway, I wouldn't want to sell it, to be honest... it's software I want to use, and I'd like to get my name out in HK, a little bit, as an Android developer... hopefully could lead to some contract work at some point Jul 18 05:37:35 Leeds: yea.. probably T8 on sunday morning Jul 18 05:37:53 languish: sure, but there's no point restricting it except for special cases like using region-licensed content... I can't really think why anyone in the US would care that much about Hong Kong weather warnings, but they're welcome to install my app :) Jul 18 05:38:13 l4u: as I said, I'm flying to Europe tonight... I'll miss it Jul 18 05:38:13 travelers? :) Jul 18 05:38:30 romainguy: *in* the US, not *from* the US :P Jul 18 05:38:45 also, bonjour, I'm going to be spending the day in Paris tomorrow :) Jul 18 05:39:02 Leeds: well, a traveler in the US who's about to leave for HK :) Jul 18 05:39:09 true Jul 18 05:39:16 Leeds: u mean there are restrictions from smartone for the app market? i hv read some posts about the different contracts from google but not sure abt that Jul 18 05:39:20 anyway, no point restricting that sort of thing Jul 18 05:39:41 l4u: yes, it is quite restricted :( I need to email them and complain, as a successful HK Android software developer :) Jul 18 05:40:24 Leeds: any good replies? :p Jul 18 05:40:33 I haven't emailed them yet Jul 18 05:40:41 I did ask when I bought it, but they had no reply Jul 18 05:41:22 Leeds: it's a good time to try out ur app due to the typhoon :) Jul 18 05:41:59 yes... people left comments on the market complaining that it didn't do anything - because they tried it WHEN THERE WAS NO WARNING ISSUED! Jul 18 05:42:02 idiots Jul 18 05:42:16 It doesn't create typhoons? weak Jul 18 05:42:24 Leeds: i dont understand why i would want hong kong weather reports, i live in the US!!! 1 star!!! Jul 18 05:42:36 kRutOn: not enough Androids in HK yet... that's for version 2 :) Jul 18 05:42:52 Android forms like Voltron Jul 18 05:43:02 if every android owner in HK pressed the "T8" button at the right time on Sunday morning, we'd all get the day off work on Monday Jul 18 05:43:12 "dis aoo dont do kung-fu, SUCKS DONT BUY" Jul 18 05:43:21 (for any non-HKers who've wandered in, T8 is the level of alert at which businesses, schools, etc. close down) Jul 18 05:43:38 unlucky since everyone already has the T9.. Jul 18 05:43:52 T4 would be a killer Jul 18 05:44:12 T1's still useful but outdated Jul 18 05:44:26 (because 4 is a very unlucky number here, since it sounds similar to 'death' - I live on the 4th floor, of course) Jul 18 05:44:36 we have T1 right now... probably T3 quite soon Jul 18 05:45:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luVjkTEIoJc <- totally relevant to android Jul 18 05:45:43 Leeds: and 8 is a lucky number, hehe Jul 18 05:45:56 yup, very lucky Jul 18 05:46:17 kRutOn: lol at the first line :) Jul 18 05:47:51 kRutOn: you just tried to make me watch a video that combines two of the most boring things in the world Jul 18 05:47:54 that's fucking genius :) Jul 18 05:47:57 I must therefore hate you forever :p Jul 18 05:48:08 romainguy: are you dissing Monty Python? Jul 18 05:48:15 I definitely am Jul 18 05:48:24 (although I do enjoyed their movies) Jul 18 05:48:48 hmm... Jul 18 05:49:22 besides, they're from this weird country I'm supposed to dislike (according to French law) Jul 18 05:49:53 "The Observatory will issue the Strong Wind Signal No. 3 shortly. " Jul 18 05:50:13 is it too late to cancel my trip to Paris? Jul 18 05:50:35 full of smelly rude people, from what I hear... Jul 18 05:50:38 Leeds: hey the app's really nice Jul 18 05:50:41 romainguy: nooooo Jul 18 05:50:45 Leeds: so true Jul 18 05:50:48 l4u: thanks, I appreciate that Jul 18 05:50:55 * romainguy doesn't like Paris Jul 18 05:51:03 Leeds: hm, you might get a kick out of my car's license plate Jul 18 05:51:11 we're just going for the day so my gf can see the tower, notre-dame, etc. Jul 18 05:51:54 kRutOn: being? Jul 18 05:52:05 zelrikriando: have you tried tethering your phone yet? Jul 18 05:54:29 romainguy: "do not hire: likes monty python and star trek" Jul 18 05:54:47 although that's probably a reason for you to get hired at Google Jul 18 05:56:41 although that's probably a reason for you to get high at Google Jul 18 05:56:44 :/ Jul 18 05:56:59 what's a good note taking app ? Jul 18 05:57:14 languish: ? Jul 18 05:57:21 jpa: anything with a hardware keyboard Jul 18 05:57:45 jpa - text edit Jul 18 05:57:48 Leeds: http://imgur.com/XFa3p Jul 18 05:57:50 thats the name Jul 18 05:58:09 romainguy, slight change of phrase for my own amusement :) Jul 18 05:58:16 :)) Jul 18 05:58:31 kRutOn: nice :) Jul 18 06:01:07 Leeds: I cut it myself with a CAD program, but then my relatives in Hong Kong laughed and said that license plate would only cost like HK$10k to buy for real. Jul 18 06:01:24 that much? Jul 18 06:01:27 whereas "8" would be what they would want, of course Jul 18 06:02:12 I guess it's not uncommon for "XY 8" (where XY is any combination of letters) license plates to go for $250k Jul 18 06:03:28 * kRutOn sets up everything with SDK 1.5_r3 Jul 18 06:13:50 Hm, looks like the SDK 1.5_r3 release notes have a typo Jul 18 06:14:53 unless there's just something missing Jul 18 06:15:32 "The android tool provides a new command that scans SDK add-ons for their USB Vendor IDs and makes them available to adb (OS X and Linux versions of the SDK only). The command is android update adb." Jul 18 06:16:03 what's the problem? Jul 18 06:16:06 ? Jul 18 06:16:14 That doesn't exist in the android tool. Jul 18 06:16:20 android update adb Jul 18 06:16:26 sdk add-ons? Jul 18 06:16:26 hmm Jul 18 06:16:30 could be a Donut feature Jul 18 06:16:32 lemme check Jul 18 06:19:11 ouch Jul 18 06:19:13 teh bug Jul 18 06:19:18 public final static String VERB_DELETE = "delete"; Jul 18 06:19:19 public final static String VERB_DELETE = "update"; Jul 18 06:19:30 whoops Jul 18 06:20:12 That's just in the donut branch, right Jul 18 06:20:40 ah good Jul 18 06:20:47 it was just my text editor having painting bugs Jul 18 06:21:03 anyway, yes udpate adb looks like it's in Donut only Jul 18 06:22:52 hrm, wonder if the other bullet points are correct in the release notes Jul 18 06:23:59 ooh, there we go, real typhoon warning now Jul 18 06:25:59 * kRutOn tries the Japanese IME in 1.5_r3... Jul 18 06:27:50 * kRutOn searches.. Jul 18 06:30:21 sweet, I guess this is iWnnIME Jul 18 06:32:17 Too bad it's not open source; there are a few bugs in it. Jul 18 06:42:34 heh: AI 150239: DO NOT MERGE : merge Donut #5785: Fix NPE in Home sample, by romain, to Cupcake. Jul 18 06:42:37 BUG=1949253 Jul 18 06:43:29 we do fix bugs sometimes :) Jul 18 06:43:43 I like the DO NOT MERGE.. merge Jul 18 06:43:53 well it makes sense :) Jul 18 06:43:59 the fix was made in Donut Jul 18 06:44:03 so we merged it in Cupcake Jul 18 06:44:13 but we don't want the automerger to merge it back to Donut again :) Jul 18 06:44:28 ah, now it does make sense. I just thought it was a schizophrenic log message Jul 18 06:44:40 nope, just the wonderful world of multiple relesaes :) Jul 18 06:46:28 wait a second, I see that update adb in 1.5_r3 branch.. Jul 18 06:46:43 ah cool Jul 18 06:48:19 hash -r fixes all Jul 18 06:49:54 1.5r3? Jul 18 06:50:12 Yessir Jul 18 07:02:30 Hi, why are there more comments on this website than there are on the market for my app: http://nl.androlib.com/android.application.nl-wligtenberg-tpw-jwnm.aspx Jul 18 07:10:57 oh no, the typhoon got l4u! Jul 18 07:12:42 blew away his terminal Jul 18 07:13:59 Balachmar: They're supporting the home team? Jul 18 07:14:47 Balachmar: oh, the Market only lets you see comments in your current locale Jul 18 07:16:40 kRut0n: OK, so that might mean that I miss all the belgium comments on my app. Is there some other way for a developer to see all the comments on his app? Jul 18 07:17:06 Balachmar: Not as far as I kow. Cyrket doesn't support changing the language yet. Jul 18 07:18:54 kRuT0n: And the dev phone only supports English. So that is why I don't see all comments. And that website I linked to only supports the last 5 comments. Jul 18 07:19:04 Balachmar: You can also set your locale to be Belgium on your phone.. Jul 18 07:19:12 I think en_BE might work Jul 18 07:20:02 I can't remember if the dev phone has the Custom Locale program.. Jul 18 07:20:23 kRut0n: No I think I can use that website. and switch languages there. Jul 18 07:21:01 Balachmar: You can also try doing in adb shell: setprop persist.sys.country BE Jul 18 07:21:52 and setprop persist.sys.language nl Jul 18 07:22:23 fr, de, whatever Jul 18 07:22:44 Well maybe I only need to change the language setting. Because now the dev phone only supports english. So changing that to dutch might help. The website doesn't help. Because it links the language to the country. And I only pblish it in Belgium and the Netherlands. Jul 18 07:24:01 yeah, the rest of the phone should just continue using the english fallback translations.. but Market might switch comments based on your locale settings Jul 18 07:26:20 I just did the setprop from terminal but that doesn't seem to work, can I check somewhere that the value actually changed? Jul 18 07:27:04 getprop works Jul 18 07:27:32 su worked Jul 18 07:28:06 yeah, you need to be root Jul 18 07:30:15 krut0n: doesn't work. still seeing the same comments... I guess I should just check that website from time to time and post a something to the Google Group Jul 18 07:36:21 http://www.weather.gov.hk/wxinfo/radars/radar_range1.htm Jul 18 07:36:53 it's noticeably darker outside now than it was 10 minutes ago... I'm right on the edge of the blue Jul 18 07:48:57 heh Jul 18 07:49:02 aak Jul 18 07:58:38 hi there, can anyone suggest me a way to sprintf the String objects introduced in the native WebKit source? Jul 18 07:59:12 i want it appended in the char-arrays before being printed out by logcat... Jul 18 08:04:21 Wow, I must be downloading from a neighbor, getting 5MB/s on this torrent. Jul 18 08:04:30 hi there, can anyone suggest me a way to sprintf the String objects introduced in the native WebKit source? Jul 18 08:04:35 i want it appended in the char-arrays before being printed out by logcat... Jul 18 08:25:57 being drunk + trying to use mencoder Jul 18 08:25:59 doesn't mix... Jul 18 08:26:24 * Gary|tp makes a quick shellscript so he doesn't have to remember the bajillion command line options... Jul 18 08:30:53 gary@snuggles:~/yukon$ ./encode.sh ../lockhunter.seom ../vid.avi Jul 18 08:30:55 yay it works. Jul 18 08:52:42 what does a kernal actually do Jul 18 08:58:21 rTk_cool: A lot. Jul 18 08:58:52 rTk_cool: Frst of all, a processor runs programs right? Jul 18 08:59:06 But it can really only run one program at a time. Jul 18 08:59:35 so the kernel takes care of setting a timer on the processor so that it can give more than one program a chance to run on the processor. Jul 18 09:00:17 Second when you have a single program on a computer you can write anywhere in memory. Jul 18 09:00:33 But when there's two programs, how do you know which memory belongs to the other one? Jul 18 09:01:14 The kernel sets up the memory manager for us so that we can program just like if we are the only program in the computer. Jul 18 09:02:03 And lastly devices. Anything that's not memory or CPU, like the hard drive/cd drive/network. Jul 18 09:02:38 All those devices are handled by the kernel. And they give programs a set APIs that we programmers can use to interface with them. Jul 18 09:03:23 and it has to do all this, in a few microseconds. Jul 18 09:03:39 before giving the processor back to the running programs. Jul 18 09:03:54 The kernel is running in between the programs. Jul 18 09:05:01 Every time you press a key on the keyboard for example, that causes a trap on the CPU that the kernel handles, and takes the key code from the keyboard and puts it into an event buffer that your browser/irc client responds to. Jul 18 09:06:36 wm_eddie: nice explaination Jul 18 09:07:32 Kernels are really cool. Jul 18 09:08:13 Kernels pretty much have to deal with every CS problem there is. Jul 18 09:09:08 So if you are making a big distributed program, you should checkout how the kernel does scheduling. Jul 18 09:09:31 depends... ideally you don't need to know how it works Jul 18 09:09:38 just what it does Jul 18 09:10:01 Yeah, you don't need to know how the kernel works for making a big distributed program. Jul 18 09:10:08 indeed Jul 18 09:10:09 But if you're facing some kind of problem. Jul 18 09:10:18 There's probably a good answer in a kernel. Jul 18 09:10:22 In fact many. Jul 18 09:10:27 depends Jul 18 09:10:32 Because there's no silver bullet. Jul 18 09:11:17 if you need to sort a bunch of data (which is also a CS problem...), you won't find it in the kernel Jul 18 09:11:31 unless by CS you mean critical section instead of computer science Jul 18 09:11:33 Yeah you will. Jul 18 09:11:41 The kernel has to sort stuff all the time. Jul 18 09:11:45 of course Jul 18 09:11:45 While programs are runhning. Jul 18 09:11:56 and can be interrupted at any time. Jul 18 09:12:19 but that doesn't mean you should ask a kernel to sort something Jul 18 09:12:36 or expect ab interface to do so Jul 18 09:12:51 When I say look at the kernel I mean the kernel source. Jul 18 09:13:00 ok, then you're quite right Jul 18 09:13:02 There's so much to learn in every part. Jul 18 09:53:31 hey folks, i think my USB port on my G1 is loose cuz when i have it plugged in it continuously disconnects and reconnects at random. anybody else experienced this problem? Jul 18 09:54:02 Say I got 10 software updates (software from the market), how would I update them all at once without performing the full update procedure for every piece of software? Jul 18 09:55:25 anone got a clue how to do a GSM to GSM data modem connection? Jul 18 09:56:21 should be as easy as dailing some AT commands Jul 18 09:58:19 or rather can i access the gsm modem function on a g1? Jul 18 09:58:23 * blkhawkz googles Jul 18 09:59:23 blkhawkz: hello Jul 18 09:59:29 in what way? Jul 18 10:00:15 oh, somebody asked yesterday also Jul 18 10:01:22 well to give you context Jul 18 10:01:47 I know that it was possible to connect to mobile handsets via the GSM network at 9600baud Jul 18 10:02:40 I am currently building a Quadcopter and would like a cheap high bandwith bi-directional telemetry cannel to the drone Jul 18 10:03:00 as such a GSM connection would be ideal Jul 18 10:03:59 i would use a gsm modem on the drone and have it connect directly to the anroid handset Jul 18 10:04:21 a java application would then display the telemetry Jul 18 10:05:25 was that enough context? Jul 18 10:06:22 yes, but the question is whther ril and the java software support that Jul 18 10:06:41 otherwise hou have to connect through /dev/smd0 directly Jul 18 10:07:33 tmzt: from what i googled at command acces is not possible Jul 18 10:07:54 what device exactly is smd0? Jul 18 10:08:43 at commands Jul 18 10:08:52 ohindeed Jul 18 10:09:05 google said that wasn't possible Jul 18 10:09:13 google was lieing! Jul 18 10:09:18 i am shocked Jul 18 10:09:21 anyway Jul 18 10:09:33 is there a android at command reference somewhere? Jul 18 10:09:41 no Jul 18 10:09:49 but it's gsm standard Jul 18 10:09:51 why are people trying to fuck with their phones at this hour Jul 18 10:10:02 guess i have to try basic hadyes modem commands then Jul 18 10:10:15 dennda, you have to update them all manually Jul 18 10:10:23 grindking: its 12pm you shmock :P Jul 18 10:10:32 anyone had any troubles getting viewgroups rendering when they are children of custom view groups? Jul 18 10:10:54 im calling the layout method on the child view group, however it does not seem to be enough. Jul 18 10:10:57 tmzt: thank you very much for these pointers Jul 18 10:11:45 hi all... I guess this is a common question but it doesn't have a common answer on the net. How do I get Google Maps app to work on my custom Android build? Jul 18 10:12:48 MoonUnit: uargh Jul 18 10:38:12 how do i sign an update package Jul 18 10:38:29 just scribble your name on it Jul 18 10:38:51 hehe Jul 18 10:39:00 never mind, i think i found the answer on xda Jul 18 10:52:54 vol_: i thinks i found the reason of bug, me and my friend, i have a ion first, with no rotate launcher, and upgrade with this roms Jul 18 10:53:07 one friend for me, test, if i found, i say to you Jul 18 11:12:28 hi Jul 18 11:13:01 anyone know if the update for cupcake, CRC1 is avaible for Google Ion roms ? Jul 18 11:14:55 hrm, im running a jf image, and just got an ota update..any suggestions on what to do?3 Jul 18 11:16:53 skyjumper: wait Jul 18 11:17:03 no make OTA update with a custom rom Jul 18 11:17:05 is the rule Jul 18 11:17:14 jf update the custom rom for you Jul 18 11:17:21 try JFupdater in the market Jul 18 11:17:50 what's new with android? Jul 18 11:17:55 like where you guys think it's going? Jul 18 11:17:57 here to stay? Jul 18 11:18:08 i run jfupdater Jul 18 11:18:17 not sure how much longer i can tolerate my iPhone Jul 18 11:19:27 bloody hell Dialekt how much more whining do we have to hear from you, choose a phone and stick with it ffs Jul 18 11:19:38 whining .. Jul 18 11:19:39 first of all Jul 18 11:19:47 i haven't been here in a few months Jul 18 11:19:56 second.. i can whine all i want in this case i am not whining .. Jul 18 11:19:58 but when you do .... Jul 18 11:20:05 jesus I asked a simple question to check up on the fucken platform Jul 18 11:20:09 because i've been out of the loop Jul 18 11:20:14 i respect the android community .. Jul 18 11:20:26 no fanboyism.. i mean what else can i do outside of asking? Jul 18 11:20:55 I've been on this damn iPhone now for about 4 months now going on 5 Jul 18 11:21:13 (granted i upgrade to the 3GS).. Jul 18 11:24:44 so what's the beest thing you like about you android phone that differs from other phones you know? Jul 18 11:25:10 you asking me specically? Jul 18 11:25:14 specifically Jul 18 11:27:39 has copy and paste reached the web browser yet? or across all apps? Jul 18 11:27:51 no. generally. i am considering to buy a android phone soon. but there are different vendors and .. i wonder what's interesting for some of you with that phones. well.. Jul 18 11:28:16 if the iPhone wasn't available it would be a no brainer for me. Jul 18 11:28:28 the experience compared to most phones is lush, fluid, logical interface Jul 18 11:28:38 lots of things makes sense as the symbian platform is a chore to use. Jul 18 11:28:42 what would you choose? a keyboard or a touch screen version? Jul 18 11:28:50 for me its iPhone, Android, Blackberry Jul 18 11:28:51 keyboard Jul 18 11:29:00 i just love the physical keyboard :) Jul 18 11:29:01 well the keyboard on the G1 was fantastic. Jul 18 11:29:06 it's retardedly nice Jul 18 11:29:11 typewriter status Jul 18 11:29:20 s3m: which phone do u have? G1? Jul 18 11:29:23 yep Jul 18 11:29:33 are there any other android phones with a phys keyboard? Jul 18 11:29:44 no Jul 18 11:29:47 k Jul 18 11:29:56 nope Jul 18 11:30:01 Dialekt, why not just have 2 phones Jul 18 11:30:10 im still wondering about that G1 that was released in canada Jul 18 11:30:16 i'm thinking that should have ATT 3G? Jul 18 11:30:26 i could be wrong though. Jul 18 11:30:50 MoonUnit: because it's expensive and ridiculous. i have been paying for 2 lines for the last 6 months.. Jul 18 11:30:55 and it's been the biggest waste of money Jul 18 11:31:00 i never use my second line EVER Jul 18 11:31:35 i wish i did though ..because i'd love to have a fun phone and then all powerful blackberry on the right days Jul 18 11:31:48 just doesn't pan out as smooth as most would think Jul 18 11:32:11 does anyone know if copy and paste has reached the web browser? can you copy text from the web browser yet? Jul 18 11:32:30 text from a page? Jul 18 11:32:37 yes Jul 18 11:32:42 afaik no Jul 18 11:32:44 when i had my g1 5 months ago it didn't Jul 18 11:32:48 :( awww Jul 18 11:32:54 I wonder why Jul 18 11:34:15 what software does come with an android phone to interface with on a pc / laptop? backup, sync, filemanager, connection sharing? Jul 18 11:34:42 none Jul 18 11:34:54 VavaR: it does USB mass storage for file transfer... syncing is done with 'the cloud' Jul 18 11:35:32 sucks facebook app is not supported by android Jul 18 11:35:34 so retarded Jul 18 11:35:43 huh? Jul 18 11:36:10 you mean it sucks that facebook haven't released an app for android? Jul 18 11:36:19 yes that Jul 18 11:36:30 and i've been told not to even hold my breath for one Jul 18 11:36:37 told by whom? Jul 18 11:37:03 no one special just websites Jul 18 11:37:11 because of the "competition" issue Jul 18 11:37:16 aren't there like 10 different facebook apps? Jul 18 11:37:19 developers have been given apis Jul 18 11:37:33 Leeds: and is there any direct way to sync just locally ? Jul 18 11:37:34 to make their own but no one at facebook specifically has been working on developing one Jul 18 11:37:49 s3m.. i haven't seen anything in 5 months so i could be out of the loop completely Jul 18 11:38:36 VavaR: sync with what? for what it's worth, my HTC-branded (as opposed to Google- or T-Mobile-branded) Magic came with support for some windows-only desktop sync which is utterly uninteresting to me, and which I wish would stop cluttering my notification bar Jul 18 11:39:49 uh Jul 18 11:39:53 http://www.cyrket.com/search?q=facebook <- Dialekt Jul 18 11:39:59 you can copy and paste from the browser Jul 18 11:40:06 rly? cool Jul 18 11:40:11 never tried that Jul 18 11:40:18 really.. Jul 18 11:40:21 since when Neverender ? Jul 18 11:40:27 because it wasn't available in the first builds Jul 18 11:40:27 yes you can c/p from browser Jul 18 11:40:34 must be a new thing with cupcake Jul 18 11:40:40 Dialekt: since 1.5 Jul 18 11:40:46 awww Jul 18 11:40:50 wow ..that's awesome Jul 18 11:40:54 is it logical, ? Jul 18 11:40:57 easy to do? Jul 18 11:41:30 its pretty easy Jul 18 11:41:37 i usually have no reason to do it thouh Jul 18 11:41:40 menu/more/select text, then drag your finger to select might need a few goes to get the bits you need though Jul 18 11:41:48 that's awesome Jul 18 11:41:56 because i use the google translator quite often Jul 18 11:42:17 i really need to look into that Rogers g1 Jul 18 11:42:20 or magic Jul 18 11:42:27 i don't think i'd like a magic to be honest Jul 18 11:42:33 i like the option of keyboard/no keyboard Jul 18 11:43:18 I hear the battery life is stellar on 1.5 ... the last build i used when i had my g1 was the first magic sapphire port and i got like 30% more battery life. Jul 18 11:43:33 is the official cupcake and thereafter even better with battery life? Jul 18 11:43:44 its a bit better Jul 18 11:43:52 MoonUnit: or on the g1, press the uppercase button and then drag Jul 18 11:47:15 hmm Jul 18 11:47:19 what else is new in 1.5 Jul 18 11:47:22 changelog somewhere? Jul 18 11:47:43 and are we already way past it using a hacked build of some ROSA DONUT SAUSAGE SAUCE? Jul 18 11:47:43 lol Jul 18 11:48:34 dunno, i just stick to JF builds Jul 18 11:49:01 what's the build number for latest one of JF? Jul 18 11:49:16 1.51 Jul 18 11:49:41 does the 1.5+ builds fade the music out when calls or text messages come in yet? Jul 18 11:49:49 that was so annoying how it would just BLAST the living hell outta me Jul 18 11:49:50 lol Jul 18 11:49:59 so abrupt Jul 18 11:50:04 someone posted an url to the latest OTA update yesterday so might get another JF soon Jul 18 11:50:43 don't know about that one mostly on sms and surf Jul 18 11:51:32 theres a new OTA? Jul 18 11:51:47 seems so Jul 18 11:52:02 Dialekt: pretty sure it fades Jul 18 11:52:16 hmm.. Jul 18 11:52:29 man i miss android.. Jul 18 11:52:41 but i guess the iPhone does kinda beat it in quite a few things Jul 18 11:52:49 probably only due to its insane popularity Jul 18 11:53:01 and its 2 years vs 1 year for android vs iPhone Jul 18 11:53:13 tampon phone though :) Jul 18 11:53:27 ? Jul 18 11:53:38 every cunts got one ;) Jul 18 11:55:04 i refuse to buy any apple product Jul 18 11:58:27 Due to copyright and other legal reasons, South Park video content cannot be viewed outside the United States.Watch full episodes and 1000s of clips, all in German and available for free. Jul 18 11:58:36 MoonUnit: ew Jul 18 11:58:38 these f'ing bastards! Jul 18 11:58:46 sry, wrong chan.. Jul 18 11:58:51 heh Jul 18 12:03:31 they should really sort that out, if you can't stream content for free with adverts you'll find it somewhere for free without Jul 18 12:05:43 well, they still offer free southpark streams Jul 18 12:05:48 but in german:/ Jul 18 12:07:18 hi ! Jul 18 12:07:37 hi Jul 18 12:07:58 i want to create a button that works like a radio button but looks like a standard button. i now made a childclass of radiobutton and created a member in there holding a button which i want to draw to the canvas in onDraw(), firest of all it doesnt work, i dont see a thing, second: i guess there's an easier way ? Jul 18 12:08:38 I just got a google voice account, to my secondary gmail account. My G1 is linked to my primary, when I tried running the Android google voice app, it just says "you don't have a google voice account with this email address" it won't let me put in my secondary account to use. Anyone know a way to do this? Jul 18 12:11:01 afaik android will only work with one account Jul 18 12:11:32 can you transfer the google voice to the other account? Jul 18 12:12:58 MoonUnit: I don't see an option anywhere Jul 18 12:14:28 don't think you can even transfer paid apps to another account, google really need to sort that out Jul 18 12:17:03 anyone tried wikitude yet, do you find its accurate? Jul 18 12:18:52 can someone tell me if cyanogens roms have tun.ko Jul 18 12:37:46 hey guys Jul 18 12:39:20 I'm using CyanogenMod 3.6.7.2 and I'm having a provlem that the original flash does not have - Im betatesting a musicprogram and then I'm going to home to make the program run in background - It stops playing, seams it gets killed or something Jul 18 12:39:51 it plays for a while, ~10-30sek Jul 18 12:39:55 and then stops Jul 18 12:40:03 make a post Jul 18 12:40:06 a reply Jul 18 12:40:13 on xda-developers Jul 18 12:40:41 yeah, I'll dot hat Jul 18 12:41:54 anyone use a theme? Jul 18 12:41:57 i like the kspec theme Jul 18 12:45:53 gary@snuggles:~/Desktop$ md5sum JACHero2.7.3.zip Jul 18 12:45:53 a881fc0153f62d10a34b684ee9a796d7 JACHero2.7.3.zip Jul 18 12:45:53 a219fd6590e44b5f3742f62fc8da92c8 /sdcard/update.zip Jul 18 12:46:05 I hate you you piece of shit USB cable >.< Jul 18 12:46:55 Third time in the past 5 minutes that it's corrupted a file while transferring. Jul 18 12:47:25 haven't got a different cable? Jul 18 12:47:48 Using the one that came with my Dream, has no ferrite bead on it... Jul 18 12:48:06 never used the supplied one myself Jul 18 12:48:35 it is horrible Jul 18 12:48:42 e8c61a0416cc0bfdefebd7b6f3b693fa /sdcard/update.zip Jul 18 12:48:44 awesome, thank you. Jul 18 12:48:55 5th times a charm? Jul 18 12:50:28 fca6ba912d8c92015cb7121976f8e1fc /sdcard/update.zip Jul 18 12:50:30 is this a joke Jul 18 12:50:31 or Jul 18 12:51:12 I wonder if it's my wireless router doing it Jul 18 12:51:45 no cardreader? Jul 18 12:51:52 nope Jul 18 12:52:17 851c92e1ddbe1f4d86f755e5d6cc2174 /sdcard/update.zip Jul 18 12:52:18 oh my god Jul 18 12:53:22 I am going to bring my notebook and phone outside, disable all RF devices except those, and try this. Jul 18 12:53:57 u using linux or windows? Jul 18 12:55:30 Gary|tp: scp to it, ive had more luck doing that Jul 18 12:55:51 ye was going to suggest setting up ssh server Jul 18 12:55:53 can anyone tell me if cyanogens kernel has tun.ko ? Jul 18 12:56:03 andftp handle scp nicely Jul 18 12:56:04 this will save me a lot of messing around. Jul 18 12:57:28 we'll neve rknow who Guest99737 is now Jul 18 13:03:28 wmealing1, never used scp before. Jul 18 13:04:11 Damme: ping Jul 18 13:04:18 a881fc0153f62d10a34b684ee9a796d7 JACHero2.7.3.zip Jul 18 13:04:27 about damn time... 10th attempt at least. Jul 18 13:04:30 * wmealing1 cheers Jul 18 13:04:31 wmealing1 pong Jul 18 13:04:40 Damme: you have cyanogens latest ? Jul 18 13:04:52 can you find if there is a tun.ko on the filesystem ? Jul 18 13:05:28 Couldn't you just mount the cramfs on your PC and find out? Jul 18 13:05:37 wmealing1 dont have any usbcables close by sorry Jul 18 13:05:50 Damme: no terminal either i guess. Jul 18 13:05:57 Gary|tp: still downloading. Jul 18 13:06:00 been 1 hour already. Jul 18 13:06:01 Ahh. Jul 18 13:06:05 Ouch :/. Jul 18 13:06:07 yeah. Jul 18 13:06:34 i have a few versions old, so now i'm downloading to update to see if it has the tun.ko Jul 18 13:07:03 wmealing1 got terminal but dont want to type on that small keyboard :P Jul 18 13:07:08 right. Jul 18 13:09:00 Damme, um, "find -iname tun.ko" Jul 18 13:09:13 not that long :p Jul 18 13:43:37 my touchbook shipped! and it has a beta of google OS on it! i guess that's what always innovating is using! Jul 18 13:45:38 mmk ? Jul 18 13:45:46 yeah, i did the same thing Jul 18 13:45:53 bought a netbook with fedora, and chrome Jul 18 13:46:08 tricky Jul 18 13:58:00 fyi no tun.ko Jul 18 14:03:02 hm Jul 18 14:03:16 my su app is broken now.. better and better. Jul 18 14:03:18 where would i send a suggestion or bug report for google maps? Jul 18 14:03:28 google maps.. on your phone ? Jul 18 14:03:30 i wanted the maps to adjust according to speed Jul 18 14:03:30 heh Jul 18 14:03:31 yeah Jul 18 14:03:41 like adjust the zoom by how fast you are gonig Jul 18 14:03:54 it adapts for me Jul 18 14:03:56 it is stupid to keep the default zoom if you are going 90mph Jul 18 14:03:57 heh Jul 18 14:04:01 it didn't for me Jul 18 14:04:11 the zoom did? Jul 18 14:04:49 oh you want it to change the zoom level based on speed Jul 18 14:04:58 i'd imagine that would be a personal preference Jul 18 14:06:05 i suppose but it would be a nice one Jul 18 14:06:05 heh Jul 18 14:06:15 i mean if you are going 90... the default zoom whips on by Jul 18 14:06:23 you can't see what's ahead until it's right up on you Jul 18 14:06:36 unless you zoom it out manually before... or worse.. DURING driving heh Jul 18 14:13:24 although maybe thats an encouragement not to use your phone while driving Jul 18 14:13:32 "officer, seriously, i wasnt texiting, i was.. navigating ! Jul 18 14:57:40 anyone here running bash on their g1? Jul 18 14:58:05 aye Jul 18 14:58:12 how? :) Jul 18 14:58:24 copy bash to phone Jul 18 14:58:27 start terminal Jul 18 14:58:28 run bash Jul 18 14:58:29 enjoy Jul 18 14:58:47 heh Jul 18 14:59:08 how does the completion work? Jul 18 14:59:10 but how did you build it? Jul 18 14:59:18 with what button Jul 18 14:59:29 is it possible to transcode and play thefile while transcoding? Jul 18 14:59:29 miip, theres a thread on xda Jul 18 14:59:31 one sex Jul 18 14:59:32 eh Jul 18 14:59:35 one sec Jul 18 14:59:39 haha Jul 18 14:59:46 miip: with gcc. Jul 18 14:59:50 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537827 Jul 18 14:59:55 does anyone know where the otrkeys are stored on the g1? I would like to change so I have same keys on my stationary and my phone :p Jul 18 15:00:31 i kinda cheated and built it statically with the debian glibc Jul 18 15:00:40 but when i get a chance, i'll attempt to rebuild it with bionic Jul 18 15:00:51 and fix the problems^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^ differences. Jul 18 15:01:14 did you use agcc? Jul 18 15:01:43 * wmealing1 can't remember, it was months ago Jul 18 15:02:00 /part Jul 18 15:02:04 fail. Jul 18 15:02:06 most. Jul 18 15:02:32 btw, amazing addon for firefox: Jul 18 15:02:33 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2780 Jul 18 15:04:03 cool Jul 18 15:04:21 sometimes you need some data, great way to add it Jul 18 15:04:34 it would be nice to be able to scan from phone -> text field Jul 18 15:04:35 that'd be hot Jul 18 15:05:56 like that: http://qrcode.kaywa.com/ ? Jul 18 15:06:16 enter text, get barcode, scan it, paste it wherever you want Jul 18 15:06:24 nah, other way around Jul 18 15:06:31 oh Jul 18 15:06:34 i want to remember the title of a book Jul 18 15:06:43 i have a notes app already Jul 18 15:06:46 it has a text input box Jul 18 15:06:48 press camera button Jul 18 15:06:53 scans barcode/qr code Jul 18 15:06:57 puts word in entry. Jul 18 15:08:38 actually, ocr would be nice period. Jul 18 15:08:46 :) Jul 18 15:08:58 iirc, there is a "ocr" app Jul 18 15:09:13 take a pic of a text, upload it to a server and download the text Jul 18 15:09:27 has anyone got android to work on the htc elf ? Jul 18 15:09:43 i looked at xda-developers but no luck on the elf Jul 18 15:10:06 what s htc elf Jul 18 15:10:16 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=929546 << i see people have got it running tho i just don't know how they have done it Jul 18 15:11:02 that looks so old Jul 18 15:11:16 but.. Jul 18 15:11:20 im propared for stuff not to work like i don't mind it being buggy anything is better than wm lol Jul 18 15:11:27 what was the update for that we just received from the G0oGs? Jul 18 15:12:07 jessica_lilly: looks like it starts using haret, so start looking into that.. someone has done a build for the phone, look for that next.. usually you copy the files to the phone Jul 18 15:12:12 then run the haret.exe Jul 18 15:12:16 then the phone will "boot" android Jul 18 15:12:31 jessica_lilly: if you have the "fu" you may be able to find their compile settings, and recompile a more recent android. Jul 18 15:12:55 apparently the system is an omap850 Jul 18 15:13:29 soyou may get lucky trying to find any android compiled for the omap850 Jul 18 15:14:57 it looks like someone has linux booting at least. Jul 18 15:14:57 http://osdir.com/ml/linux.ports.arm.omap/2006-07/msg00050.html Jul 18 15:24:14 Can't you set custom soundfiles for when the alarmclock goes off? Jul 18 15:52:40 How do I see what apps are running in the background? Jul 18 15:59:01 use 'ps' Jul 18 15:59:09 in a terminal Jul 18 16:00:11 or top Jul 18 16:00:28 is there a quick GUI look up? Jul 18 16:00:41 no Jul 18 16:00:46 taskmanager, gmanager, .. Jul 18 16:01:02 I'm worried about leaving apps running in the background Jul 18 16:01:09 don't worry about that Jul 18 16:01:24 no? Jul 18 16:01:26 loaded doesn't neccesarily mean running, either Jul 18 16:02:06 some apps wake the phone and do stuff, running your battery down... but you should just uninstall those apps, monitoring will do nothing :x Jul 18 16:02:17 the rest.. you probably shouldn't care too much about Jul 18 16:02:35 ok, cool Jul 18 16:03:09 how do you close apps? :D like music one Jul 18 16:03:24 just pause and back or home Jul 18 16:03:48 my jf -1.51 keeps trying to apply an ota update Jul 18 16:04:10 jeez, i'm a moron.. wondered why i couldn't adb my phone and just realised that i haven't installed any drivers.. Jul 18 16:04:12 spikebike: probably CRC1 Jul 18 16:04:24 i still don't know why JF doesn't disable updates ;D Jul 18 16:04:35 I thought that would have been blocked Jul 18 16:04:42 will it break anything or just not apply? Jul 18 16:04:46 it won't verify Jul 18 16:04:51 but it will download over and over apparently Jul 18 16:05:04 zinx: but the music player keeps rruning Jul 18 16:05:18 freenose: so? pause whatever you're listening to Jul 18 16:05:33 freenose: that's just how android works.. if it's paused and something needs the memory, it will be closed Jul 18 16:05:46 zinx: oh I see Jul 18 16:06:49 zinx: so if I'm using the browser I just press home to exit? Jul 18 16:07:07 correct Jul 18 16:07:48 s3m: THX Jul 18 16:08:52 spikebike: just unroot your phone and go back to tmo rom Jul 18 16:08:54 that is what i do Jul 18 16:09:03 root is for dirty hackers! Jul 18 16:10:16 and warez pirates! Jul 18 16:10:26 is srm43 the lastes build? Jul 18 16:10:39 i use AOSP + google experience Jul 18 16:11:39 for the G1.. CRB43 isn't.. CRC1 is at this point Jul 18 16:14:26 zinx: How can I update if I'm not a tmobile user? Jul 18 16:23:12 erm.. what can i do when i accidentally deleted my shell? :) Jul 18 16:23:30 or rather, when i made it non-executable Jul 18 16:26:15 ah right Jul 18 16:26:59 wmealing1: so i tired a bit with that but non of them would start up Jul 18 16:28:04 wmealing1: i tried loads of images from xda developers Jul 18 16:28:33 jessica_lilly: start by documenting your efforts with what you've found so others dont have to repeat your mistakes Jul 18 16:28:44 or what you have done. Jul 18 16:29:14 s3m: use adb Jul 18 16:29:21 and put a shell there, ithink Jul 18 16:29:25 or flash a new image, either way Jul 18 16:29:31 can't use adb somehow Jul 18 16:29:37 ok Jul 18 16:29:50 D:\meh\tools>adb shell Jul 18 16:29:50 D:\meh\tools> Jul 18 16:30:02 most meh Jul 18 16:30:08 try adb logcat Jul 18 16:30:13 thats because that .. starts your shell Jul 18 16:30:18 you may have to put a shell there, such as bash Jul 18 16:30:25 or what do i know Jul 18 16:30:28 * wmealing1 shrugs Jul 18 16:30:35 grab sh from your emulator Jul 18 16:30:37 put it there Jul 18 16:30:39 see if it works Jul 18 16:30:57 D:\meh\tools>adb logcat Jul 18 16:30:57 D:\meh\tools> Jul 18 16:31:09 ok Jul 18 16:31:16 i tried setting bash as my standardshell Jul 18 16:31:30 but chmod didn't wirk Jul 18 16:31:33 work* Jul 18 16:31:54 anyone available to help with an Eclipse issue on PCLinuxOS? Jul 18 16:32:11 and the idiot that i am didn't check ls before renaming sh and symlinking bash Jul 18 16:33:08 just reflash whatever firrmware you're on Jul 18 16:33:25 ya :/ Jul 18 16:35:01 nice to read you again btw jf :) Jul 18 16:36:05 hello. i just got a blackberry storm. is it possible to install android on it? Jul 18 16:37:47 if i flash, i have to run apps2sd again, right? Jul 18 16:39:00 hi Jul 18 16:47:37 hola Jul 18 17:06:56 JesusFreke: suggestions on getting jf-1.51 from nagging about the update constantly? Jul 18 17:23:14 remove the updater Jul 18 17:23:54 lol Jul 18 17:24:56 makes sense no ? Jul 18 17:25:13 doctor doctor! my leg hurts when i lift it sideways Jul 18 17:25:22 "don't lift it sideways" Jul 18 17:26:19 can anyone tell me if they _dont_ have ln on their phone (adb shell which ln ) Jul 18 17:31:25 Umm... is there a reason why the dream would just suddenly reboot itself? Jul 18 17:38:41 Spyrorocks: if you accidently said ok to the update Jul 18 17:38:50 there is no update Jul 18 17:38:52 I was sleeping Jul 18 17:39:12 and heard the HTC splashscreen music, woke up to see what was up, and saw the thing booting up. Jul 18 17:40:04 the dialog might have a timeout Jul 18 17:40:54 someone in android-dev told me it could have rebooted because of a kernal panic or something Jul 18 17:41:07 spikebike: ! did you get your touch book shipped yet? it is going to have google chrome os!!@#! Jul 18 17:41:19 they sent me an email .. mien went out yesterday Jul 18 17:41:21 !!! Jul 18 17:41:40 touch book? Jul 18 17:42:39 oh.. wrong person Jul 18 17:42:42 never mind Jul 18 17:42:49 heh Jul 18 17:43:00 Macer: i bet that thing is gonna be fun Jul 18 17:43:05 heh, it ships with chrome? android? something else? Jul 18 17:43:13 touch screen atom? Jul 18 17:43:42 touch screen arm Jul 18 17:43:50 with detatchable keyboard Jul 18 17:43:58 ;) anyways... they sent an email to pre-orders Jul 18 17:44:05 bbl. testing this connection out Jul 18 17:44:25 Macer: sounds nice Jul 18 17:50:34 url? Jul 18 18:00:31 Riddle me this: every night I get a phone call from 16027878989. In the morning, I see "1 missed call". The kicker: There is no cellphone service of any kind where I live. Jul 18 18:00:53 ghost in the machine Jul 18 18:09:15 evenin all Jul 18 18:11:22 anyone using Eclipse on Linux? Jul 18 18:18:01 android plays ogg files, yea? Jul 18 18:18:11 yes Jul 18 18:18:21 cyanogen uses them for this mp3 files Jul 18 18:19:42 whats a good ogg ripper for ubuntu then? I haven't ripped CD's in years, but i found an old one i really like while cleaning out and want to back it up high quality Jul 18 18:20:55 personally i use EAC in wine for ripping audio Jul 18 18:22:54 heh spot the mistake Jul 18 18:22:56 http://www.cyrket.com/search?q=woko Jul 18 18:28:43 what's the easiest way to open a .html file stored on my device in the Browser? do file:// URLs work? Jul 18 18:31:10 i think the syg cd is just okay Jul 18 18:31:16 oops wrong channel Jul 18 18:37:36 here's the answer to my question: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=2454 Jul 18 18:40:01 has anyone else gotten blocked from using data on Tmobile? Jul 18 18:40:14 I've been using my G1 with my employer's data plan Jul 18 18:40:46 is it a g1 plan? Jul 18 18:40:47 On Wednesday it suddenly started redirecting me to "Your current plan is not compatible with the G1. Please click here to view plan options." Jul 18 18:40:56 Of course, that gives no plan options. Jul 18 18:41:14 whats your apn? Jul 18 18:41:33 Checking on the name of the plan now. I tried internet2.voicestream.com, wap.voicestream.com, and epc.tmobile.com Jul 18 18:41:41 and internet3.voicestream.com doesn't even connect at all Jul 18 18:41:58 T-Mobile Total Internet Add-on Jul 18 18:42:38 I wonder how they're blocking it :( Jul 18 18:42:49 Hopefully not by IMEI or something. Jul 18 18:45:47 did you use it excessivley or something? o.O Jul 18 18:46:07 not that I'm aware of.. I didn't tether or anything. Jul 18 18:46:23 I do use StreamFurious a lot in the car but that's aboot it. Jul 18 18:46:52 man that sucks, does andriod track data usage? Jul 18 18:47:06 aurman: you need the g1 plan Jul 18 18:47:06 aurman: try epc.tmobile.com Jul 18 18:47:08 Maybe they're just starting with business customers first, if nobody else here has experienced that Jul 18 18:47:11 i mean so you can check if you downloaded 20gb in one month or something... Jul 18 18:47:15 tho you probably all have G1 plans Jul 18 18:47:25 flee: yeh, tried it, same deal :/ Jul 18 18:47:32 it originally wouldn't work with epc.tmobile.com at all Jul 18 18:47:45 had to use wap/internet2/internet3.voicestream Jul 18 18:47:53 well aurman, i can tell you, i dont have G1 plan. I bought my G1 online, and have just standard web n walk Jul 18 18:47:55 aurman: my g1 Jul 18 18:48:03 i had total internet Jul 18 18:48:04 james_b: I'm sure it was nowhere near 20gb Jul 18 18:48:09 i needed to get plan for g1 Jul 18 18:48:15 james_b: is that $10/mo? Jul 18 18:48:27 well £6.99 Jul 18 18:48:29 im tethered now Jul 18 18:48:33 >_> Jul 18 18:48:34 so about $13-14 Jul 18 18:48:54 james_b: ah, i'm sure the systems and policies are very different outside of the us Jul 18 18:49:05 actuaye your probably righ Jul 18 18:49:07 t Jul 18 18:49:15 aye* Jul 18 18:49:18 lol mega typo Jul 18 18:56:15 can you say me what are differences between Windows Mobile and Android ? Jul 18 18:56:21 main difference Jul 18 18:56:49 * Wickednix peeks over here to see whats going on Jul 18 18:57:21 cyvi, WM = sucks, android = good Jul 18 18:57:27 :) Jul 18 18:57:33 JesusFreke: hey, you there? Jul 18 18:57:56 Android cant do bluetooth, does flash kinda, and has a shit load of bugs to address Jul 18 18:58:30 cyvi: similar to windows vs linux, microsoft vs google Jul 18 18:58:34 takes off his BT headset since it doesnt work. Jul 18 18:58:46 supposely Jul 18 18:58:54 bluetooth transfer Jul 18 18:59:08 what a useful feature :) Jul 18 18:59:16 l4u: I know there are both good and both have disadventages but whats so special about android Jul 18 18:59:19 ? Jul 18 18:59:42 cyvi: android is more relevant, and more modern. Windows Mobile is still riding a very old paradigm of mobile devices. Jul 18 19:00:02 cyvi: android is open source, and not limited to mobile phones Jul 18 19:00:02 likewise, Android development is much more sophisticated and flexible. Jul 18 19:00:09 jasta, yup :) Jul 18 19:00:10 if andoird wasnt based on a davlik vm, it would definitely be faster Jul 18 19:00:30 JesusFreke: i set up a github repo for my work :) Jul 18 19:00:38 nice :) Jul 18 19:00:39 about to do another big dump today Jul 18 19:00:44 \o/ Jul 18 19:01:52 hows it goin JesusFreke Jul 18 19:02:12 Android is nowhere near as mature as WM, but definitely much cooler Jul 18 19:02:13 it goes Jul 18 19:02:33 it would be better if I didn't have to work this fine saturday afternoon :) Jul 18 19:02:37 aurman: I wouldn't agree with that statement, and neither would any Windows Mobile developer :) Jul 18 19:02:47 JesusFreke: ouch. Jul 18 19:02:48 JesusFreke: well if it makes you feel better i gotta work today too Jul 18 19:02:49 heh Jul 18 19:02:55 * JesusFreke grumbles about looming deadlines Jul 18 19:03:16 * Wickednix Cheers JF on, you can dew eeet Jul 18 19:03:21 jasta: i wrote an app in winmob, it was very very easy. the api to the phone is pretty damn good Jul 18 19:03:24 indeede Jul 18 19:03:45 aurman: i also wrote an app for windows mobile and i strongly disagree with that statement. Jul 18 19:03:53 jasta: and wm has a lot more little features that you don't notice until you need them. Jul 18 19:04:04 i was a WM user for 4 years Jul 18 19:04:24 how does that make you feel? Jul 18 19:04:30 it is a miserable piece of shit, and the development platform is the same. Jul 18 19:05:24 "how does that make you feel?" wth? lol. Jul 18 19:05:39 "I'll tell you about my mother!" Jul 18 19:05:41 but since Android is a new system there are many bugs (so in WM) and not many apps Jul 18 19:05:42 *shrug* i never -really- used WM until I had a Blackjack and then an 8525 both with hacked 6.0, they both were fine, and i just picked up writing apps for it last year Jul 18 19:05:48 are we in group counseling or something? :) Jul 18 19:05:53 and Visual Studio makes i a piece of cake Jul 18 19:06:05 so I must've had a different experience :) Jul 18 19:06:09 JesusFreke: yeah, forget it. these guys clearly have no idea :) Jul 18 19:06:29 jesusfreke: "I was a wm user for 4 years" ... mmk :) Jul 18 19:06:39 my name is flee Jul 18 19:06:43 i was a uiq3 user Jul 18 19:06:48 JesusFreke: anyway, check it out: http://github.com/jasta/five-server/commits/master Jul 18 19:06:49 I thought it was fleebailey34 Jul 18 19:06:50 its been 9 months Jul 18 19:06:54 i'm gonna dump a bunch more code today and tomorrow Jul 18 19:06:55 jasta: already found it :D Jul 18 19:07:06 anyone who doesn't agree with my point of view is an idiot Jul 18 19:07:08 i'm working on the actual sync engine table merger Jul 18 19:07:11 flee for short, i didn't want to tab myself Jul 18 19:07:19 my point of view is the only one allowed to exist Jul 18 19:07:40 my dad got symbian Jul 18 19:07:52 but it's not so good Jul 18 19:08:06 yea, uiq3 was decent honestly Jul 18 19:08:06 hehe, I like Symbian60v3 too. Jul 18 19:08:09 I must have no clue :( Jul 18 19:08:10 p990i, p1i Jul 18 19:08:21 uiq was touch screen Jul 18 19:08:25 symbian is just as bad as wm, old system being patched to update it on modern hardware Jul 18 19:08:29 user interface quarts, died with symbian Jul 18 19:08:38 MoonUnit: at least its made just for mobile Jul 18 19:08:39 I haven't seen Symbian60v5 yet Jul 18 19:08:42 supposdly it's nice Jul 18 19:08:50 meh, symbian is dead Jul 18 19:08:58 * JesusFreke kicks its corpse Jul 18 19:08:59 N97 is supposed to rock Jul 18 19:08:59 even SE is going android Jul 18 19:09:03 lol Jul 18 19:09:08 aurman: no its not Jul 18 19:09:14 read the gizmodo review Jul 18 19:09:20 That's the new one, innit? Jul 18 19:09:31 The guy that writes Gravity and WirelessIRC loved it Jul 18 19:09:39 meh Jul 18 19:09:45 symbian freak Jul 18 19:09:47 :P Jul 18 19:09:56 i like android Jul 18 19:10:01 Me too Jul 18 19:10:05 i had a treo 650 Jul 18 19:10:08 I wish it had some of the little features like WM tho Jul 18 19:10:10 when it first came out Jul 18 19:10:19 was awesome, i patched it fro bt-dun Jul 18 19:10:28 with the shadowmite patch Jul 18 19:10:46 are there any good GPS apps for Android?? Jul 18 19:10:55 google maps Jul 18 19:11:01 :) Jul 18 19:11:05 heh Jul 18 19:11:32 GPS Pilot Jul 18 19:11:40 i think thats the name Jul 18 19:11:46 anyone own note everything pro? Jul 18 19:11:52 im debating buying the pro version Jul 18 19:11:59 you mean copilot SHiz? Jul 18 19:12:09 or that Jul 18 19:12:12 I was thinking of writing some kind of note taking app Jul 18 19:12:31 for as many platforms as possible Jul 18 19:12:39 something quick, that you can just open up, take notes, and have them get saved online Jul 18 19:12:46 notepad Jul 18 19:13:00 no waiting for connections or anything Jul 18 19:13:05 well without the online Jul 18 19:13:07 just take some notes, and hit save Jul 18 19:13:32 the time after taking the note isn't as important as before Jul 18 19:14:05 you should be able to just open your app and have your notes there.. and if you're trying to retrieve something that's online and not on your device, you hit refresh or something Jul 18 19:15:45 oh yeah, Android didn't come with a notepad. that's kinda weird. Jul 18 19:16:21 I wish I had service on my HTC Touch.. Android runs pretty nicely on that. Jul 18 19:16:40 It's CDMA tho :/ Jul 18 19:21:00 totally off topic, but does anyone prefer wearing glasses to contacts? Jul 18 19:21:14 I'm actually kinda split between them Jul 18 19:21:30 Honestly, I like how I look with the glasses I have :) Jul 18 19:21:41 i need new glasses but i like wearing em Jul 18 19:21:44 more than contacs Jul 18 19:21:46 heh Jul 18 19:21:50 aurman: no phone support yet, but android does work Jul 18 19:21:53 but I like being able to see better with contacts Jul 18 19:22:04 ah yes Jul 18 19:22:13 tmzt: i heard it can make calls and everything Jul 18 19:22:18 tmzt: i mean, it looks like it can Jul 18 19:22:20 not on cdma Jul 18 19:22:22 it says SprintPCS when it's on Jul 18 19:22:32 on touch pro? Jul 18 19:22:36 no, Touch Jul 18 19:22:39 Vogue Jul 18 19:22:43 oh, vogue Jul 18 19:22:44 yes Jul 18 19:22:51 i like th elook of glasses, but hey are so much hassle Jul 18 19:22:52 I can make a call and it says the account's not active Jul 18 19:22:54 dzo has done incredible work Jul 18 19:23:03 with contacts i can stick em in then forget about em for a month Jul 18 19:23:03 can you call 611? Jul 18 19:23:09 lemme try Jul 18 19:23:10 glasses are better than contacts Jul 18 19:23:27 its pain to take out contacts Jul 18 19:23:36 and to put em in Jul 18 19:23:36 Welcome to the American Roaming Network Jul 18 19:23:45 naww, just takes a second, perhaps just practice a bit? Jul 18 19:23:48 wow Jul 18 19:23:54 that's what it says? Jul 18 19:24:08 yeah, it lets me make a call by paying with credit card Jul 18 19:24:25 odd, I don't know Sprint's customer service number Jul 18 19:24:32 611 is verizon Jul 18 19:24:34 311, maybe Jul 18 19:24:53 nope. Jul 18 19:24:55 well, anyone know if android on qsd/cortex makes sense? Jul 18 19:24:57 bummer, the speaker button doesn't work Jul 18 19:25:08 no, that's local city services Jul 18 19:25:16 in some places Jul 18 19:25:18 wha? Jul 18 19:25:21 look up NXX codes Jul 18 19:25:24 like nyc Jul 18 19:25:27 w00t Jul 18 19:25:29 oh 311 Jul 18 19:25:32 i just made 5 dollars Jul 18 19:25:41 how dya do that? ^^ Jul 18 19:25:47 spanningsync Jul 18 19:25:50 coupon code Jul 18 19:26:22 ah i see Jul 18 19:26:23 well Jul 18 19:26:27 im happoy for you lol Jul 18 19:26:32 happy* Jul 18 19:27:13 James_B: http://www.retailmenot.com/view/spanningsync.com Jul 18 19:27:26 rate my coupon, first one 7ebtxf, give it a green check mark Jul 18 19:27:34 hiring the rating, more likely people are to use it Jul 18 19:27:35 :P Jul 18 19:27:38 yeay cy 3.6.7.2 is effing fast Jul 18 19:27:54 done ^^ Jul 18 19:28:04 thanks Jul 18 19:28:12 shiznebit: want to rate it to? Jul 18 19:28:13 :P Jul 18 19:28:20 shiznebit: do you use a theme? Jul 18 19:28:26 i love the orea theme, for cy Jul 18 19:28:31 oreo Jul 18 19:28:41 no themes :) Jul 18 19:28:45 anyone happen to have access to an Intel OSX 10.4 system? Jul 18 19:28:48 its nice... Jul 18 19:28:49 I'm looking for /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreAudioKit.framework Jul 18 19:28:58 o.0 Jul 18 19:29:01 not me Jul 18 19:29:09 aurman: download the 10.4.11 update Jul 18 19:29:16 combo, from apples site, and extract it Jul 18 19:29:19 :P Jul 18 19:29:25 hm, i wonder if it'd be in there. Jul 18 19:29:26 always had a problem with themes so im avoiding them from now on Jul 18 19:29:32 i can't find my 10.4 media anyway :/ Jul 18 19:29:39 shiznebit: its good Jul 18 19:29:47 aurman: just go to apples site Jul 18 19:29:51 download combo updates Jul 18 19:29:59 its free. Jul 18 19:30:07 should be there. make sure its combo, not delta Jul 18 19:34:02 Is it possible to create a custom input method a la OS X? Jul 18 19:34:25 ime Jul 18 19:38:00 gah. contact editor hates me. Jul 18 19:38:13 phone is blocking all i/o! Jul 18 19:38:25 tmzt: and i can implement that globally or only within a single application? Jul 18 19:38:57 I don't know, kRutOn has been fighting that but I don't know the specifics Jul 18 19:39:20 Ah. I haven't really jumped into yet, just wanted to know if it might be possible before i really got to it. Jul 18 19:39:29 d'oh. incoming phone call doesn't wake it up, either Jul 18 19:39:44 I just hate having to old down a letter for 2 seconds and then tap the screen just to put an accent on a letter haha. I'm gonna see if I can make a dead key Jul 18 19:39:53 it's got like 2 weeks of uptime. I'd hate to have to reboot it. Jul 18 19:40:16 guifa: for that you might try editing the keymap, forget ime Jul 18 19:44:03 Hrm, ok. is there a place the format for that is listed? on the google groups site, someone mentioned that it seems you can just capture the QWERTY and, say, convert on the go to DVORAK Jul 18 19:49:13 i have an application in C in few files, my Android.mk has line LOCAL_SRC_FILES := gljnitest.c gljnitest_m.c myopengl.c but I get errors with make APP... (no rulle to makre target etc.). how to use Android.mk to build my app? Jul 18 19:49:34 damn. That combo update has the CoreAudio.framework, but not CoreAudioKit.framework :/ Jul 18 20:02:39 haha! it came back to life! Jul 18 20:02:51 $ adb shell uptime 20:02:35 up 16 days, 21:33, load average: 4.69, 4.76, 7.07 Jul 18 20:04:04 it's alive! Jul 18 20:09:39 yes, i would buy a big android powered, wifi-enabled Amazon Kindle Jul 18 20:20:11 the loadaverage seems really high Jul 18 20:24:28 hi Jul 18 20:24:46 is there a way to call and get USSD code / reply? Jul 18 20:25:05 I've tried with some code suggested over the net, but the program exits unexpectedly Jul 18 20:25:20 using android 1.5 Jul 18 20:26:19 the code is here: http://pastebin.ca/1499456 Jul 18 20:39:34 anyone reccomend any must own apps? Jul 18 20:39:44 ive just configured torrentFU, which i like Jul 18 20:42:22 Here is my list of must-own apps Jul 18 20:42:36 ok :) Jul 18 20:42:46 uh? : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/specs/KernelKarmicAndroid Jul 18 20:43:30 Astrid Task/To Do List, Droid Comic Viewer, NewsRob for Google Reader, Android IRC (unless you do Irssi + screen), and uhh... that is it. Damn. Apps suck. Jul 18 20:43:35 startActivityForResult(new Intent("android.intent.action.CALL", Uri.parse("tel:" + phoneNumber)), 1); Jul 18 20:43:53 phoneNumber is an Uri.encode Jul 18 20:44:07 it faults the application, what's wrong with it? Jul 18 20:44:22 elegos: what is the error exactly? Jul 18 20:44:30 lol some apps are really neat, i love the barcode reading ones, and google night sky (havnt tested that one just yet ..) Jul 18 20:44:47 heh, I really want to know it... it only says in the emu that the program exited unexpectedly Jul 18 20:45:00 where can I find a log? Jul 18 20:46:19 darweth: does NewsRob sync read status offline? Jul 18 20:46:40 darweth: I asked the author when he was here for five minutes but never got an answer Jul 18 20:46:56 Yeah Jul 18 20:47:24 cool Jul 18 20:47:31 what about saving up urls to read? Jul 18 20:47:56 up urls? Jul 18 20:48:06 No idea what you mean exactly, but I would wager no! Jul 18 20:48:28 like keep a list of things you actually want to read, I use star for something else Jul 18 20:48:43 I just use star. Jul 18 20:57:05 how can I have a detailed log on what's going wrong in my app? Jul 18 20:59:34 may you please give me a stupid example on startActivityForResult? Jul 18 21:01:00 quik q: how do you change windows (tabs) in the g1 browser? Jul 18 21:01:25 nvm i found it Jul 18 21:01:31 i swaer it wasnt there before lol Jul 18 21:01:34 swear* Jul 18 21:02:57 uhuhuh Jul 18 21:03:01 found the error Jul 18 21:03:04 copying u.u Jul 18 21:04:35 so i've been using my extended battery since 2am last night Jul 18 21:05:10 well more like 12am to 6am non stop and then let it sit til 2pm while I slept Jul 18 21:05:21 still only at 60% Jul 18 21:05:33 how many mAh is it? Jul 18 21:05:41 and how many is the standard for that matter? Jul 18 21:05:44 java.lang.SecurityException: Permission Denial: starting Intent { action=android.intent.action.CALL data=tel:*123%23 comp={com.android.phone/com.android.phone.OutgoingCallBroadcaster} } from ProcessRecord{439c1ad8 4175:com.elegos.windinforma/10037} (pid=4175, uid=10037) requires android.permission.CALL_PHONE USSD 1 0 null Jul 18 21:05:50 ^-- please help me now xD Jul 18 21:06:02 2600mah is the extended, standard is 1100 or so Jul 18 21:06:25 thanks for the info ^^ Jul 18 21:07:06 :p Jul 18 21:10:25 how may I add a permission in Eclipse? Jul 18 21:10:29 in the program manifest? Jul 18 21:10:34 there are several inputs Jul 18 21:13:16 uhm Jul 18 21:13:17 Jul 18 21:13:31 isn't this enought for "equires android.permission.CALL_PHONE"? Jul 18 21:16:34 http://pastebin.ca/1499498 Jul 18 21:16:38 is it all right? Jul 18 21:20:56 ok it's all ok now Jul 18 21:21:10 next problem is - the default USSD handler popups Jul 18 21:21:13 instead of mine Jul 18 21:21:19 how can I avoid this? Jul 18 21:21:19 USSD? Jul 18 21:21:29 do you know codes lik *123#? Jul 18 21:21:32 like* Jul 18 21:21:42 for example to know your credit bonus Jul 18 21:22:13 you call to your provider with that code and it replies with a message displayed as informant tool Jul 18 21:22:18 uhm... Jul 18 21:22:29 where you can only click on "ok" Jul 18 21:22:36 do you know it? Jul 18 21:22:46 what is USSD? Jul 18 21:23:04 probably not, maybe stk if there's an api Jul 18 21:23:18 http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unstructured_Supplementary_Service_Data Jul 18 21:23:23 the verification window is there for estra security Jul 18 21:23:30 yeah, okay Jul 18 21:23:44 all these general purpose phone api questions Jul 18 21:23:50 android doesn't have one (publically) Jul 18 21:24:06 you get to do what it lets you with intents Jul 18 21:24:09 and providers Jul 18 21:24:12 but it's implemented in android indeed :P Jul 18 21:24:20 let me upload the updated code Jul 18 21:24:49 http://pastebin.ca/1499501 Jul 18 21:25:03 as you can see I've used an override Jul 18 21:25:09 protected void onActivityResult Jul 18 21:25:12 what is? Jul 18 21:25:25 what is implemeneted in android? Jul 18 21:25:30 my code, my intent is to catch the USSD received and parse Jul 18 21:25:38 the USSD support indeed Jul 18 21:25:44 'cause you can receive it :) Jul 18 21:26:03 but can you send the gsm command you need? Jul 18 21:26:20 yes I found the way (I was missing a permission Jul 18 21:26:27 now it sends the code Jul 18 21:26:47 but I receive the "popup" instead of parsing it (atm just displaying it) Jul 18 21:27:25 the terminal-app says: "Caricamento dati in corso...\n*123%23\nUSSD: 1 0 null" Jul 18 21:27:30 (\n is new line) Jul 18 21:27:41 when I launch it, the popup will come Jul 18 21:27:53 saying "your credit is of XX.XX€" Jul 18 21:28:29 italian? Jul 18 21:28:41 can't translate that Jul 18 21:29:11 "Caricamento dati in corso" means: "Loading data..." Jul 18 21:29:51 as you can see Intent data is null Jul 18 21:30:12 but it should be the reply of the service (USSD) Jul 18 21:34:08 DaraIRC Jul 18 21:34:17 On the market Jul 18 21:34:26 Try it Jul 18 21:35:22 new irc client? Jul 18 21:35:31 Yeah Jul 18 21:35:39 It's pretty nice actually Jul 18 21:37:08 ooh, neat! Jul 18 21:37:10 *gets* Jul 18 21:37:20 is it Free Software? Jul 18 21:38:54 how does it compare to androidirc? Jul 18 21:40:33 hi there Jul 18 21:41:23 how are loops handled in android? Jul 18 21:41:34 I mean: can android crash due to a loop? Jul 18 21:42:37 Haraken: I just dl'ed it Jul 18 21:42:47 It is free though Jul 18 21:44:31 elegos: you mean infinite loops? Jul 18 21:44:36 yes Jul 18 21:45:00 why don't you try? Jul 18 21:45:05 Yes, it probably can Jul 18 21:45:19 don't want to :O Jul 18 21:45:20 :) Jul 18 21:45:49 crash or become slower? Jul 18 21:45:57 it became slower Jul 18 21:46:04 I exited it without any problem Jul 18 21:46:14 then it crashed Jul 18 21:46:19 (the program) Jul 18 21:46:29 it has to be a handled situation Jul 18 21:46:30 btw Jul 18 21:46:30 http://example.com Jul 18 21:46:43 example@example.com Jul 18 21:46:44 I can't get to catch a USSD... Jul 18 21:46:59 startActivityForResult(new Intent("android.intent.action.CALL", Uri.parse("tel:" + phoneNumber)), 1); Jul 18 21:47:03 those screen protectors are hard to install Jul 18 21:47:04 this is fired just fine Jul 18 21:47:10 i get nothing but bubbles Jul 18 21:47:13 Kewl! Jul 18 21:47:23 the @Override Jul 18 21:47:23 protected void onActivityResult(int requestCode, int resultCode, Intent data) { Jul 18 21:47:33 fires, but the USSD message comes up in any case Jul 18 21:47:40 elegos: 1 isn't USSD for voicemail Jul 18 21:47:58 USSD is for any messages from the provider Jul 18 21:48:02 like the credit Jul 18 21:48:03 twois10: get the invisishield ones. they include some fluid you use to temporarily make it non-stick, so you can easily get all the bubbles out, then you let it sit and let the fluid evaporate and it sticks Jul 18 21:48:15 sans bubbles :) Jul 18 21:48:21 and the argument 1 is of the startActivityForResult Jul 18 21:48:27 which is an identifier Jul 18 21:48:49 JesusFreke: can i just leak it and us that as my liquid? Jul 18 21:48:59 is it possible to use EditText with an AppWidget? I'm thinking of the Google Search widget since it's using one Jul 18 21:49:09 twois10: sure Jul 18 21:49:35 elegos: ooooh Jul 18 21:49:43 twois10: you can use whatever liquid you want :) Jul 18 21:49:53 it seems that the USSD call finishes just before starting a new one Jul 18 21:50:02 JesusFreke: what do you mean invisible ones, arent they all invisible? Jul 18 21:50:04 twois10: I'll stick with the liquid that is included with the invisishields though ;) Jul 18 21:50:06 in fact the "terminal" fires USSD: 1 0 null just after Jul 18 21:50:20 but the message "Sending USSD code..." appears Jul 18 21:50:27 and after that, the USSD reply Jul 18 21:50:30 I don't recall using the word invisible Jul 18 21:50:40 is there a way to suppress that calling and using a custom one? Jul 18 21:51:27 JesusFreke: sorry, you meant a brand Jul 18 21:51:50 http://www.zagg.com/ Jul 18 21:51:52 those Jul 18 21:52:32 anyone knows? Jul 18 21:53:59 <_Auron_> uh.. interesting thing about ADC2: With this app, they can download, test, and rank applications submitted to the challenge. Users choosing to participate in the review process will download submitted apps randomly and will rate them along a number of criteria, resulting in a final score for each app. Jul 18 21:54:28 <_Auron_> does that mean the app downloads a random entry? Jul 18 21:54:35 that's what it sounds like Jul 18 21:54:53 <_Auron_> that's um.. interesting. Jul 18 21:55:06 yeah. I can see why they would choose to do it that way though Jul 18 21:55:23 if they let users choose which apps to review Jul 18 21:55:31 <_Auron_> first round is users only Jul 18 21:55:35 some apps would recieve tons of reviews, and others wouldn't recieve hardly any Jul 18 21:55:54 <_avatar> yeah, i actually like the new contest rules, but entering the app i've been working on would be pointless. oh well. Jul 18 21:56:30 this way, each app "should" be reviewed approximately as many times an any other app. Jul 18 21:56:45 <_avatar> yeah Jul 18 21:56:54 <_Auron_> which I suppose makes sense Jul 18 21:57:17 <_avatar> it just sucks for apps that are client/server based. there's no telling the user that downloads the app will have access to a server Jul 18 21:57:24 I guess that just means I'll have to keep trying apps till I get to yours :) Jul 18 21:57:29 <_avatar> no telling *if* the... Jul 18 21:58:04 what build does the retail version of G1 run? T-Mobile? Jul 18 21:58:14 <_Auron_> interesting bit is the part where it says "The ADC 2 contest is open only to applications that have not been made publicly available through the Android Market prior to August 1, 2009." Jul 18 21:58:23 *nod* Jul 18 21:58:32 <_Auron_> does that mean I can put Stroids on the market starting august? Jul 18 21:58:39 sounds like it Jul 18 21:58:52 I would get confirmation first though :) Jul 18 21:59:03 <_Auron_> how the hell do I get confirmation though? Jul 18 21:59:18 there's any way in android that I can speak commands for it to execute.. Jul 18 21:59:37 heck if I know :) Jul 18 22:00:05 chrome_: there's voice dialer. I believe it can understand things like application names, iirc Jul 18 22:00:49 chrom_: yeah, it understands app names Jul 18 22:00:55 chrome_: I just tried :) Jul 18 22:01:12 and what if I want to send an email and speak the text Jul 18 22:01:31 then the phone will laugh at you Jul 18 22:01:36 :) Jul 18 22:01:38 I just want to grab my phone and say "send mail to Bob - Hello Bob" Jul 18 22:01:44 <_Auron_> ah yeah JF. in the T&C: "Any user of an Android-power handset running Android 1.5 or higher with access to the Android Market will be able to download a special, free judging application ("Judging Application") that will allow the end user to randomly download Entries. The Judging Application will also allow a reviewing user to use the randomly selected Entry and then assign each reviewed Entry a score from one (1) to five (5 Jul 18 22:01:51 <_Auron_> .. The Judging Application will also allow a reviewing user to use the randomly selected Entry and then assign each reviewed Entry a score from one (1) to five (5) on each of the criteria set forth in Section 8(a)." Jul 18 22:01:57 JesusFreke: that's ubiquity Jul 18 22:02:11 the future Jul 18 22:02:55 I have a nokia phone that can read my SMSs Jul 18 22:07:11 hmm Jul 18 22:07:17 my camera is buggy Jul 18 22:07:31 I cannot take portrait pictures Jul 18 22:07:34 just landscape Jul 18 22:08:48 how can I catch a system dialogue? Jul 18 22:09:51 open the dialog you want, and have someone throw the phone to you? Jul 18 22:09:59 (sorry. couldn't resist ;) ) Jul 18 22:10:18 Hi, I just set up my google voice account and I want to use it as "visual voicemail" on my phone. I've set up my phone to forward unanswered calls to my google voice number. I tested it out by calling my phone, and I let the call go unanswered, but for some reason it called my phone twice before going to voicemail. Why is that? Jul 18 22:11:31 ahhh Jul 18 22:11:35 can anyone help Jul 18 22:12:23 go long JesusFreke! Jul 18 22:12:29 * Haraken throws a g1 at JesusFreke Jul 18 22:12:40 *smack* Jul 18 22:12:42 * JesusFreke missed and watches it explode as it hits the ground Jul 18 22:12:43 :( Jul 18 22:12:51 my g1!!! Jul 18 22:12:54 whats this "google voice"? Jul 18 22:13:07 Spyrorocks, nothing forward the invite to me :P Jul 18 22:13:42 Invite? Jul 18 22:13:52 Spyrorocks, google voice is when you've reached the pinnacle of G1 power Jul 18 22:14:02 Oh I just googled it Jul 18 22:14:04 where do I get invite Jul 18 22:14:06 ? Jul 18 22:14:07 :FD Jul 18 22:14:08 :D Jul 18 22:14:09 google voice is when you can't be touched by anyone Jul 18 22:14:14 Spyrorocks, google has to invite you Jul 18 22:14:26 they are pulling the same crap cartman did with his amusement park Jul 18 22:14:29 "NO YOU CAN'T COME IN" Jul 18 22:14:31 I see Jul 18 22:14:33 then he lets a few people in every day and people rage Jul 18 22:14:36 so they dont give users invites? Jul 18 22:14:37 and kill over it Jul 18 22:14:41 well they do, but not all at once Jul 18 22:14:51 only so many people a day get some Jul 18 22:14:52 Like what happened with gmail? Jul 18 22:14:53 to throttle Jul 18 22:15:01 I thought I was really 1337 when my friend invited me to gmail Jul 18 22:15:01 yeah basically, but users can't invite other users Jul 18 22:15:25 I gave out my email address and I was all like, yeah you heard right, I have a gmail account. Jul 18 22:15:33 lol Jul 18 22:15:47 everyone and their mom has a gmail account now Jul 18 22:16:03 the cool thing to do now is disguise yourself with a google apps account and your own domain :P Jul 18 22:16:16 yeah I use google apps all the time on all my domains Jul 18 22:16:19 so easy to get setup Jul 18 22:16:24 yeah i love it Jul 18 22:16:25 I dont have to mess around with mail servers and crap Jul 18 22:16:45 so this google voice gives you a phone number? Jul 18 22:16:49 yeah Jul 18 22:16:55 it's the last phone number you were ever need Jul 18 22:16:59 xD Jul 18 22:17:04 How much does it cost Jul 18 22:17:07 when it comes out Jul 18 22:17:07 free Jul 18 22:17:11 how can they do that Jul 18 22:17:14 for fre Jul 18 22:17:15 free* Jul 18 22:17:23 im not sure if it will be free when they come out, but I'm sure it will be. Jul 18 22:17:28 I'm not sure I ask myself the same question Jul 18 22:17:36 how does this company that gives out so many free services stay in business Jul 18 22:18:00 They are probably planning on ruling the world in the future Jul 18 22:18:07 no they area Jul 18 22:18:08 area Jul 18 22:18:09 er Jul 18 22:18:10 ARE Jul 18 22:18:10 so this is how they get into everyones lives Jul 18 22:18:26 Google hasn't ever pissed me off Jul 18 22:18:33 hey anyone know why I might be having trouble connecting adb? Jul 18 22:18:33 so far we are on good terms. Jul 18 22:18:40 soon people will be sending out personalized blackmail to everyone Jul 18 22:18:48 lol Jul 18 22:18:54 I want a google wave invite Jul 18 22:18:56 "send us $100 or we will tell bob you f'd betty" Jul 18 22:18:57 xD Jul 18 22:19:00 I have an idea for an application - a game Jul 18 22:19:12 But I think voice is going to be more useful than wave Jul 18 22:19:15 chrome_, write your idea on a piece of paper and drop it in my hat :) Jul 18 22:19:23 I dunno. I'm looking forward to wave Jul 18 22:19:52 performance lags are seriously prohibitive to voice adoption. I feel. Jul 18 22:19:54 what is wave Jul 18 22:20:16 a sort of social network/communication tool Jul 18 22:20:17 http://wave.google.com/ Jul 18 22:20:19 It's a card game Jul 18 22:20:58 Spyrorocks: just got my invite today Jul 18 22:21:24 spikebike: You will need to let me know how it is once its all setup :D Jul 18 22:21:30 I hope they bring it to Canada Jul 18 22:21:30 hey guys any ideas on why ADB might be having trouble connecting. I'm on Cyanogen 3.6.5 Jul 18 22:21:49 Haraken: want to collaborate? Jul 18 22:22:07 'sorry I haven't finished learning about the google wave collaboration tool... give me a couple seconds :P Jul 18 22:22:15 rubensun, driver issues on your pc? Jul 18 22:22:18 rubensun, that was my problem Jul 18 22:22:38 yeah? what drivers were you running? where did you pick them up? 1.5 dev kit? Jul 18 22:22:57 actually Jul 18 22:23:07 it was working just fine Jul 18 22:23:12 then i got a new phone and the drivers stopped working Jul 18 22:23:19 i couldn't get it to work again til I reinstalled windows Jul 18 22:23:24 is there a good skype app for android yet? Jul 18 22:23:30 skype lite is absolute crap Jul 18 22:23:34 im sure htere is a more practical way to fix it though Jul 18 22:23:48 Spyrorocks, sure is... i ended up using sipdroid and using my work's sip line instead Jul 18 22:24:26 isn't there some sort of iskoot app or something Jul 18 22:24:34 I couldnt find it for downlod anywhere though Jul 18 22:24:39 @haraken hm. oh... I think I remember reading about something some where how something gets corrupted or something. Jul 18 22:24:40 Imagine a card game where you can load files containing the rules of the game... and the card game is meant to be played in multiplayer mode Jul 18 22:24:44 iskoot, uskoot, weallskoot for iskoot Jul 18 22:25:03 @Spyrorocks I second iskoot... Jul 18 22:25:28 rubensun, try installing it on another pc to verify it's not your phone Jul 18 22:25:31 that's what I did Jul 18 22:25:36 then i took it out on the pc :) Jul 18 22:25:47 @haraken grumble... Jul 18 22:25:54 wait a minute Jul 18 22:26:01 I just read iskoot isnt a real voip client Jul 18 22:26:10 is that true? Jul 18 22:26:22 ya, it uses voice Jul 18 22:26:36 There is something stupid about the camera Jul 18 22:27:00 zelrikriando: buy an iphone Jul 18 22:27:22 @haraken do you know how I can pull and push files without using adb? perhaps just recover console command prompt. Jul 18 22:27:23 chrome_: why Jul 18 22:27:52 zelrikriando: what phone do you have? Jul 18 22:28:16 chrome_: Magic + Hero rom :p Jul 18 22:28:38 Maybe that rom is buggy Jul 18 22:28:43 zelrikriando: you have that already? Jul 18 22:28:46 rubensun, if you are just trying to get files onto your phone why not plug the sd card into an sd card reader on your pc? Jul 18 22:28:51 but the camera orientation is a bit weird Jul 18 22:28:58 rubensun, it'll at least save you time at the moment Jul 18 22:29:09 Haraken: I'm waiting your feedback from my idea Jul 18 22:29:16 chrome_: yes I do Jul 18 22:29:52 chrome_, please repeat idea :) Jul 18 22:29:54 any suggestions for the constant update nagging? Jul 18 22:30:06 on a jf build Jul 18 22:30:19 @haraken trying to grab libandroid.so from 3.6.5 so I can push it back when I upgrade 3.6.7 wnat to be able to skin... :| Jul 18 22:30:39 chrome_: so in short when I rotate my phone, the camera rotates too... Jul 18 22:31:07 so that it stay in landscape no matter what Jul 18 22:31:24 Haraken: Imagine a card game where you can load files containing the rules of the game... and the card game is meant to be played in multiplayer mode.. ou can load the King game or the eleven.. and play with other b bluetooth , internet or whatever.. The files could be protected by digital signatures Jul 18 22:31:37 zelrikriando: oh I see Jul 18 22:31:50 weird Jul 18 22:32:09 spikebike: I just checked, it looks like otacerts.zip didn't get deleted for some reason. Jul 18 22:32:24 ah, interesting Jul 18 22:32:29 spikebike: can you confirm that /system/etc/security/otacerts.zip exists? Jul 18 22:32:31 chrome_: but the video camera seems ok though Jul 18 22:32:42 wont deleting it cause constant downloads? Jul 18 22:32:47 yes Jul 18 22:33:03 but it will stop the prompt :p Jul 18 22:33:23 ah, friend had terrible bat life because of that Jul 18 22:33:25 chrome_, sounds interested :) Jul 18 22:33:53 rubensun, at recovery console cp the file to /sdcard (or just do it from terminal emulator before you flash) Jul 18 22:33:57 checking, at a party with 30 5 years olds Jul 18 22:34:20 fixing it so that it doesn't continuously download the update will probably require editing the proprietary google code, via smali/baksmali Jul 18 22:34:34 I haven't specifically looked into it yet though Jul 18 22:34:47 though it's something I do intend to look at at some point Jul 18 22:34:54 @haraken is the command still pull? or am I running tar? Jul 18 22:35:32 rubensun what is the full path to the file? Jul 18 22:35:46 JesusFreke: i can verify its there, couldnt i mkdir the file its downloading as and it would just fail? Jul 18 22:35:49 spikebike: actually. one alternative might be to grab the build.prop from my adb build, and copy that over your existing build.prop Jul 18 22:35:53 @haraken /system/lib/libandroid.so Jul 18 22:36:13 spikebike: dunno. it might be smart enough to try to use another name (and it might not) Jul 18 22:36:16 rubensun, I would probably do something like cp -a /system/lib/libandroid.so /sdcard Jul 18 22:36:26 or just cp /system/lib/libandroid.so /sdcard Jul 18 22:36:27 or to delete it first Jul 18 22:36:36 then ls -l /system/lib/libandroid.so to ensure you remember the permissions of the file Jul 18 22:36:44 I don't know if fat32 will remember ext3 permissions Jul 18 22:36:44 spikebike: I'm fairly sure replacing build.prop should work Jul 18 22:37:14 you shouldn't lose access to protected apps. I can't think of any downside Jul 18 22:37:20 rubensun, once that file is on your sdcard you can copy it back by reversing that command, cp /sdcard/libandroid.so /system/lib/ Jul 18 22:37:32 rubensun, don't forget to remount you /system Jul 18 22:37:36 when copying it back Jul 18 22:37:37 spikebike: replace, then reboot, of course. Jul 18 22:38:55 @haraken thanks. Jul 18 22:39:05 * EugeneKay chases JesusFreke around with a couple of 2x4s, a hammer, and a box of nails Jul 18 22:39:23 rubensun, np :) Jul 18 22:39:33 * JesusFreke turns the boards hammer and nails into wine Jul 18 22:39:59 spikebike: ill try it, thats a bit complex for right now without a desktop aeound Jul 18 22:40:01 * EugeneKay grabs a cordless drill Jul 18 22:40:30 * JesusFreke asks if you really want that drill liquified Jul 18 22:41:19 spikebike: I can put the build.prop up on my webserver, so you can grab it with wget Jul 18 22:43:54 Hi. I have an ADP1. Yesterday it had an update, I accepted it, I think it was Cupcake. anyway, now I dont have "su". has anyone else seen this? is there a workaround? Jul 18 22:44:04 (other than downgrading) Jul 18 22:44:47 i shoulda backed up su into /data. *sigh* Jul 18 22:45:08 adps don't get updates. did you install a different firmware? Jul 18 22:45:30 or did you buy one of the google "holiday bonus" phone perchance? Jul 18 22:46:10 I installed holiday on it recently, yes. Jul 18 22:46:37 I did make full backup of the arm11 flash partitions with some program by some JesusFreke guy, though. Jul 18 22:46:37 yeah, holiday gets updates Jul 18 22:46:51 so worst case I can revert if necessary Jul 18 22:46:53 that jesusfreke guy.. Jul 18 22:47:03 newsham: you most likely still have su Jul 18 22:47:04 always up to mischief Jul 18 22:47:12 newsham: but you can only use it while connected via adb Jul 18 22:47:15 su was in /system/xbin, that dir isnt there anymore Jul 18 22:47:21 i am using adb shell now Jul 18 22:47:54 newsham: weird :). I guess it's possible they took it away. kinda strange though Jul 18 22:48:21 newsham: in any case, why not just install the latest ADP firmware? Jul 18 22:48:22 newsham: You can always try to "adb remount" and just push stuff.. Jul 18 22:49:45 heh wl1251 made my phone unhappy Jul 18 22:50:47 Haraken: did you see on the google wave video, the guys using FF and Safari instead of google chrome ? Jul 18 22:50:49 :p Jul 18 22:51:13 I"m still watching it Jul 18 22:51:20 it's like an hour and 20 minutes Jul 18 22:52:50 i guess the problem is that it installed a prod build. oh well, time to revert Jul 18 22:53:36 hopefully fastboot still works Jul 18 22:54:14 has anyone figured out the wifi tethering problem for those who are getting the error about missing iptables or netfilter support... or updating kernel version or something? Jul 18 22:54:44 so sick of pdanet, im ready to return my htc magic for a friggin iphone Jul 18 22:54:48 just so i can properly tether at proper speeds Jul 18 22:54:58 nvm this 0.92kbps garbage :P Jul 18 22:55:04 just need to compile in netfilter :) Jul 18 22:55:20 no clue what that means or how to do it Jul 18 22:55:58 jf's builds should have it enabled Jul 18 22:56:12 not sure any JF Builds work with Rogers HTC Magis Jul 18 22:56:14 *magics Jul 18 22:57:12 jpa: is it rooted? Jul 18 22:57:15 yup Jul 18 22:57:25 so just use wifi tether for root users Jul 18 22:57:32 obviously doesn't work Jul 18 22:57:38 why not? Jul 18 22:57:50 i don't know.. because Rogers/Canadian version of the phone is horse shit Jul 18 22:58:02 netfilter is what the kernel needs for ip forwarding/nat.. you need a kernel that has netfilter enabled.. building one isn't that simple though Jul 18 22:58:06 jpa, wtf you don't like the htc magic? :( Jul 18 22:58:09 you check xda forums? Jul 18 22:58:24 Haraken: I love it, but it's incredibly annoying Jul 18 22:58:36 w/ shit not working how it should Jul 18 22:58:36 mainly, tethering Jul 18 22:58:37 in what way? weren't you using hero on yours? Jul 18 22:59:07 or was that someone else I was speaking to Jul 18 22:59:25 nope,.. me Jul 18 22:59:29 i have hero Jul 18 22:59:30 hi,how can I read from /dev/log/radio...logcat doesn't seem to be able to read from it Jul 18 22:59:38 i can only tether with pdanet and it's slloooowwww Jul 18 22:59:45 whereas, i throw my simcard into an iphone and get like 600kbps Jul 18 22:59:48 its ridiculous Jul 18 22:59:53 jpa, well I think it's just a matter of time before it will work. you were smart and waited for an htc magic. wish I would have done the same thing. Jul 18 23:00:07 isn't there some way to do bt tethering? that's a lot more power efficient anyway Jul 18 23:00:09 i want a real kb Jul 18 23:00:20 bcopeland: yea, i think its shareware Jul 18 23:00:24 Haraken: haha i didn't "wait"... the dream & magic came out at the same time in canada :p Jul 18 23:00:25 tether-blu Jul 18 23:00:32 jpa, xD Jul 18 23:00:41 ah Jul 18 23:00:49 gnutoo: have you tried from ddms? i think there's a menu item somewhere for viewing the radio log Jul 18 23:00:51 it's not the app that fails Jul 18 23:01:02 it's the fact that the phone itself for some reason doesn't support ip forwarding/netfilter Jul 18 23:01:11 newsham, ok I'll try thanks Jul 18 23:01:18 my computer can recognize that there' sa connection TRYING to be established, and it pops up in my network connections. but i never get an IP Jul 18 23:01:24 yeah in the official builds they turned it off (adp 1.5 doesn't have netfilter) Jul 18 23:01:30 can anyone confirm if any JF Builds are confirmed working for Rogers HTC Magic? Jul 18 23:01:36 rooted obviousl Jul 18 23:01:51 they said netfilter makes the network stack 25% slower Jul 18 23:01:53 bcopeland: yes and it's absolutely retarded Jul 18 23:01:53 jpa: check forums Jul 18 23:01:58 i also have 3 months free tethering Jul 18 23:02:07 fleebailey33: I have Jul 18 23:02:25 hey jpa I have a question Jul 18 23:02:35 25% slower is better than 0% anything Jul 18 23:02:36 zelrikriando: sure whats up Jul 18 23:02:57 jpa: can you try to use your camera in 'portrait' mode and tell me how far you get Jul 18 23:03:16 huh if it slows down by 25% then there's an issue in the stack... Jul 18 23:03:55 zelrikriando: works fine for me using both stock Camera app OR Camera Pro Jul 18 23:05:20 bcopeland: not sure what all that means... all i know is it's retarded for a smartphone of this caliber to not properly support tethering Jul 18 23:05:40 especially when the only wireless provider in Canada suddenly announces free tethering until the end of 2009 with all data plans above 1gb (I have 6gb) Jul 18 23:05:49 free tethering access til the end of the year with a phone that FAILS for tethering Jul 18 23:06:00 not to just be whining but im just baffled that no one has properly fixed it yet? Jul 18 23:06:02 unless im totally missing something Jul 18 23:06:22 but all ive found in forums regarding this issue is confirmation that it IS a known issue for canadian android users Jul 18 23:08:30 The carrier is not interested in having this functionality, I guess. Jul 18 23:11:01 oh well, all reverted now.. su is back, no cupcake, though.. Jul 18 23:11:28 newsham: why not use the latest ADP firmware? Jul 18 23:11:41 maybe it's cuz im not a super tech guru developer, but i mean... this device is over-rated isn't it? Jul 18 23:12:31 jpa: weird, it doesnt work well here Jul 18 23:12:50 newsham, I don't find it and I would realy prefer having a console log as I would have to debug it on a phone that is not mine Jul 18 23:12:56 gnutoo: I think what I am remembering is ddms's device->dump radio state Jul 18 23:13:09 which i've only used on emulator before. looks like it doesnt work on my phone Jul 18 23:13:12 zelrikriando: it SUCKS.. canada is gay lol Jul 18 23:13:15 newsham, ok I'll look Jul 18 23:13:39 its such a slap in the face that the iphone is so vastly a more stable device than this thing Jul 18 23:14:38 jpa: then why not get an iphone? :) Jul 18 23:14:56 iphones are bad Jul 18 23:15:00 because i hate the iphone for other reasons Jul 18 23:15:10 its just that it IS absolutely stable Jul 18 23:15:37 jpa: installing a custom rom though is not what I call searching for stability Jul 18 23:16:11 try and install the Hero Sense UI on the iphone and tell me how far you get :p Jul 18 23:16:30 developing for iphone seems risky given apple's control of software distribution Jul 18 23:16:34 well of course.. the openness of the phone shouldn't be weighed down by instability though Jul 18 23:16:45 definitely an attractive market size at the moment Jul 18 23:16:51 jpa where did you get camera pro btw Jul 18 23:17:02 I ate my cake; why don't I have it still? Jul 18 23:17:10 zelrikriando: the market i think Jul 18 23:17:12 if not.. some forum Jul 18 23:17:14 ..... Jul 18 23:17:20 why not be able to have an "open phone" that's also stable? Jul 18 23:17:26 I dont like to install stuff not from the market Jul 18 23:17:30 it's more risky Jul 18 23:17:35 why is it that you either have a stable phone that's locked down... or you have an open phone that is anything but stable? Jul 18 23:17:38 my adp is stable as a rock Jul 18 23:17:45 then again.. i dunno wtf im saying.. im just mad that tethering won't work and calling it "unstable" Jul 18 23:17:47 im effing unstable Jul 18 23:17:48 jpa: maybe we'll get there yet? Jul 18 23:18:03 jpa: My G1s and Magic are all stable. Jul 18 23:18:22 because "open phones" are not mature yet maybe Jul 18 23:18:39 jpa: You can use SOCKS proxying for a pseudo-tether for now. Jul 18 23:18:44 2 years ago, there were no android phone Jul 18 23:18:51 we're still 1.x Jul 18 23:19:08 but the iphone was already there no? Jul 18 23:19:38 i suspect apple has a different release philosophy than google/android. Jul 18 23:19:57 Apple test their device more Jul 18 23:20:13 The brand says a lot Jul 18 23:20:19 You pay for quality Jul 18 23:20:29 rmm Jul 18 23:20:29 if the thing sucks, people would never buy it Jul 18 23:20:37 i couldn't got the iphone 8gb for the same price i got my htc magic Jul 18 23:20:38 ha :) Jul 18 23:20:41 but quality also means lock in Jul 18 23:20:46 if i can get tethering to work flawless (even effing USB tethering) Jul 18 23:20:48 ill be stoked again Jul 18 23:20:56 but i mean.. with no tethering.. i have no internets Jul 18 23:21:03 and pdanet is totally breaking my balls Jul 18 23:21:05 :P Jul 18 23:21:11 lol Jul 18 23:21:15 kRutOn: what's this you say about a pseudo-tether? Jul 18 23:21:23 jpa: look to your fellow canadians to kick it into gear :-) Jul 18 23:21:25 is that one that will be like... pseudo-functional ? Jul 18 23:21:32 jpa: tetherbot Jul 18 23:21:35 kRutOn: i have no hope for canada... bunch of idiots Jul 18 23:21:38 :P Jul 18 23:21:39 jpa: or SOCKS through ConnectBot Jul 18 23:21:39 zelrikriando: you believe iphone OS is better than android? Jul 18 23:21:49 Also, the iphone works great with the macbook, but what about my ubuntu box Jul 18 23:22:04 oh a super multi-OS user Jul 18 23:22:06 twois10: I think it's more robust Jul 18 23:22:08 from OS X to Ubuntu Jul 18 23:22:24 that's like... from Hitler to Steinberg Jul 18 23:22:35 is there a site you can go to to install some stock android apps when you dont have android market? (ie. on emulator, getting the "terminal" app without building it yourself) Jul 18 23:23:05 you mean "where do I get paid apps for free?" Jul 18 23:23:07 hax0r Jul 18 23:23:08 pirate Jul 18 23:23:31 twois10: the thing with Apple, it's that if something is not up to par, they wont release it. Jul 18 23:23:48 twois10: Google doesnt care, if stuff is beta they are still happy Jul 18 23:23:51 newsham: There are some sites that are like Market.. forgot what their names are.. let me see Jul 18 23:24:13 That does mean that Google does crap Jul 18 23:24:24 well so far..... Jul 18 23:24:24 heh Jul 18 23:24:24 it's just that they are more incremental Jul 18 23:24:34 they just feel like big brother Jul 18 23:24:47 a big brother who lied about the christmas present he was gonna get you Jul 18 23:24:48 :P Jul 18 23:24:53 zelrikriando: what does the iphone have that android doesnt Jul 18 23:25:07 twois10: flawless tethering Jul 18 23:25:12 regardless of region Jul 18 23:25:24 anyone here familiar with video transcoding? Jul 18 23:25:26 600kbps transfer rates while tethering Jul 18 23:25:31 is the tethering support by APPle? Jul 18 23:25:32 i have yet to peak 30kbps with my android Jul 18 23:25:37 twois10: it's kinda bullet proof Jul 18 23:25:41 yes Jul 18 23:25:48 its built in to the new 3.0 software Jul 18 23:26:14 Settings > General > Network > Internet Tethering > On Jul 18 23:26:16 /Off Jul 18 23:26:20 newsham: I think it's slideme.org Jul 18 23:26:24 very very very simple Jul 18 23:26:26 ty Jul 18 23:26:29 twois10: but then I didnt buy an iphone :p Jul 18 23:26:37 was tethering in the 1st and 2nd release of the iphone Jul 18 23:26:39 who was it who just mentioned a few other things i can try for tethering? Jul 18 23:26:45 AakashPatel: what's your question Jul 18 23:26:48 twois10: nope Jul 18 23:26:56 just with the 3.0 software update and the iphone 3gs comes with it stock Jul 18 23:27:01 i wish they would just let people use market from emulator. *sigh* Jul 18 23:27:13 bparker06: is it possible to transcode flv to mp4 and play the mp4 while its being transcoded? Jul 18 23:27:47 i dont have issue with tethering though Jul 18 23:27:53 AakashPatel: if your transcoder writes the header at the beginning instead of the end, then it's possible Jul 18 23:27:55 so i cant say Jul 18 23:28:01 twois10: the iphone is a remote for the macbook, try to do that with an HTC :p Jul 18 23:28:03 bparker06: hmmm Jul 18 23:28:07 does ffmpeg do that? Jul 18 23:28:10 no idea Jul 18 23:28:15 do you know of one that does? Jul 18 23:28:19 no Jul 18 23:28:21 i wanted to make a songza app XD Jul 18 23:28:26 I always convert it after the fact Jul 18 23:28:31 so that the file is streamable Jul 18 23:28:57 it's pretty much realistic to say that Android definitely has more potential that OS X for Iphone seems to... but hands down, Apple just makes a higher standard device Jul 18 23:29:07 HTC is know for making sub-par hardware, for one. Jul 18 23:29:12 zelrikriando: why would you need a remote for a laptop? Jul 18 23:29:12 and Android is still reeaallyy new Jul 18 23:29:13 zelk: http://dacp.jsharkey.org/ Jul 18 23:29:26 soo you put really new firmware on already bunk hardawre... what do you get? Jul 18 23:29:28 twois10: if you watch a movie :p Jul 18 23:29:29 zelrikriando: er, http://dacp.jsharkey.org/ Jul 18 23:29:31 fail.. but easy to cover thet racks Jul 18 23:29:37 fail with potential to win Jul 18 23:29:48 'course im over exagerating Jul 18 23:29:59 i love my phone but hate that it's not as good as other phones. Jul 18 23:30:01 <3 pomegranate phone Jul 18 23:30:02 kRutOn: ok Jul 18 23:30:05 if you are watching a movie on a laptop, you need a remote, lmao Jul 18 23:30:47 while using your iphone as a remote for your apple computer, are you able use it as a 2nd keyboard too? Jul 18 23:31:19 THAT would be pretty good.. Jul 18 23:31:20 but blah eff the iphone Jul 18 23:31:22 I wish I could do that with ubuntu Jul 18 23:31:35 i often find myself saying that about ubuntu Jul 18 23:31:35 and windows Jul 18 23:31:50 "i wish i could do that with _______" Jul 18 23:31:54 windows/linux Jul 18 23:31:56 There's this thing called "synergy" that lets you use one keyboard for multiple operating systems Jul 18 23:32:52 The protocol is open, so you could write an app for Android that does it. Jul 18 23:33:07 That'd be neat Jul 18 23:33:09 so the mac book must have a built in receiver for the iphone to work as a remote Jul 18 23:33:37 hmm Jul 18 23:33:39 wtf is ffserver Jul 18 23:34:00 jpa: is camera pro any good Jul 18 23:34:28 Is there an #android-kvetch channel Jul 18 23:34:29 i will take opensource over anything any day Jul 18 23:34:30 kRutOn - check out RemoteDroid Jul 18 23:34:46 You can set it up to control the Synergy server Jul 18 23:34:50 Which is what I do. Jul 18 23:35:15 hrmm Jul 18 23:35:21 anyone tether using Azilink? Jul 18 23:35:24 seems sketchy Jul 18 23:35:26 openVPN? Jul 18 23:37:24 blah Jul 18 23:37:47 AakashPatel: i was going to try to set up the vlans just to see how well it worked but then i realized that the router is only 100mbit :) Jul 18 23:37:51 lol Jul 18 23:37:56 ...and? Jul 18 23:37:58 lol Jul 18 23:37:59 what Jul 18 23:38:01 haha] Jul 18 23:38:08 how fast is your net???? Jul 18 23:38:21 1.21 jigabits/sec Jul 18 23:38:52 gahhh Jul 18 23:38:55 5.000002X0.0001 SuperMegaBurstz Jul 18 23:38:59 lol Jul 18 23:39:23 22mbit Jul 18 23:39:26 but still :) Jul 18 23:39:39 if i were to bridge the vlans for one reason or another they would be stuck going 100mbit Jul 18 23:40:04 and my switch doesn't do vlans.. it's a cheap ass netgear one Jul 18 23:40:06 k im a retard, but in instructions to install Azilink, if it stays "Step One: Install OpenVPN on the host. Use Version 2.1_rc15 blah blah blah"... by "the host" they just mean whichever computer is gonna be tethered Jul 18 23:40:07 right? Jul 18 23:40:10 maybe some day i should invest in real stuff Jul 18 23:40:16 yeah Jul 18 23:40:26 like a wrt54g with dd-wrt Jul 18 23:40:28 hahah Jul 18 23:40:30 lol Jul 18 23:40:35 i hav a wrt54g :) Jul 18 23:40:39 i haz gs Jul 18 23:40:41 beaoch Jul 18 23:40:44 v2 Jul 18 23:40:46 i have one of those too Jul 18 23:40:48 but i don't use it Jul 18 23:40:49 da best Jul 18 23:40:52 it's in the closet Jul 18 23:40:53 8 meg flash Jul 18 23:40:53 heh Jul 18 23:41:09 i was actually going to take it somewhere to see if i can use it as an ap while it's tethererd to the phone Jul 18 23:41:10 errrr Jul 18 23:41:13 gewgles not helping Jul 18 23:41:37 hrmm gonna give this azilink thing a try Jul 18 23:41:37 brrrb Jul 18 23:41:46 like tomorrow probably Jul 18 23:45:08 wow Jul 18 23:45:13 wuutttt Jul 18 23:45:26 like.. my son got a hold of my life.. well techinically.. his.. life insurance application lol Jul 18 23:45:44 and drew all over the envelope with a pen.. thank god he didn't start pulling out the pages trying to fill it out Jul 18 23:45:47 :) Jul 18 23:45:56 haha Jul 18 23:46:12 * AakashPatel trys to convert flv to mp4 on the fly and play it Jul 18 23:46:21 otherwise if i died he would be getting $10,000,000,000,000 in disney money Jul 18 23:46:22 * AakashPatel | while its still converting Jul 18 23:46:24 hahaha Jul 18 23:46:33 flv? Jul 18 23:46:36 yes Jul 18 23:46:38 what's that like flac video? Jul 18 23:46:41 no Jul 18 23:46:43 flash Jul 18 23:46:46 oh Jul 18 23:46:47 im tryin to make a songza app Jul 18 23:46:50 ew why? Jul 18 23:46:51 heh Jul 18 23:46:52 for androidz Jul 18 23:46:53 wut? Jul 18 23:47:02 how is that a ew why? Jul 18 23:47:04 can a g1 even play flash? Jul 18 23:47:05 :) Jul 18 23:47:17 did you hear the part about transcoding? Jul 18 23:47:19 lol Jul 18 23:47:29 im trying to figure that part out now Jul 18 23:47:30 you want to steam a flash video and convert it on the fly Jul 18 23:47:32 on the phone? Jul 18 23:47:37 no Jul 18 23:47:40 ill have a server Jul 18 23:47:42 so transcode real time while playing? Jul 18 23:47:46 oh Jul 18 23:47:46 yeah Jul 18 23:47:49 thats what i want Jul 18 23:47:54 transcode on the server? :) Jul 18 23:47:56 heh Jul 18 23:47:57 yep Jul 18 23:47:59 :P Jul 18 23:48:00 because if you did that on the phone Jul 18 23:48:03 it would melt Jul 18 23:48:07 yea lol Jul 18 23:48:08 i know Jul 18 23:48:30 Macer: you know how to do taht? Jul 18 23:48:35 transcode real time? Jul 18 23:48:37 and play Jul 18 23:48:42 yah. i don't think i want opensolaris on the desktop anymore and am just going to put win7 on it Jul 18 23:48:55 win7 and virtualwin ftw :) Jul 18 23:49:16 actualy screw that.. i'll just keep ti and put win7 on a beast when i build one Jul 18 23:49:35 i ordered a rackmount frame and a case with 10 hot swap 3.5" bays Jul 18 23:49:44 figuring out the LEDs for the bays should be fun fun Jul 18 23:50:34 women are bitches :) Jul 18 23:51:22 [mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 0x183c000]moov atom not found Jul 18 23:51:23 i paid my ex gf's cable bill like a year ago with my debit card... and we broke up like 3 months ago.. and she said that comcast "accidently used your card" to pay her cable bill.. i was pissed. i had to file a claim and the bank said i wont get my money back until tuesday Jul 18 23:51:23 NEW_FILE_NAME.mp4: Error while opening file Jul 18 23:51:25 AakashPatel:Desktop AakashPatel$ Jul 18 23:51:27 :( Jul 18 23:51:36 moov? Jul 18 23:51:53 idk wtf that means... Jul 18 23:52:02 ffmpeg -i video.flv -ar 22050 NEW_FILE_NAME.mp4 Jul 18 23:52:15 i used that, and while it was stil transcoding i tried to play it with ffplay Jul 18 23:52:18 i don't know either Jul 18 23:52:34 hm.. you sure you don't need to change something Jul 18 23:52:41 im sure i do lol Jul 18 23:52:44 in order to transcode / stream Jul 18 23:52:49 at the same time? :) Jul 18 23:53:06 i cant think of the right search words for google lol Jul 18 23:53:33 i usually just get trying to transcode live tv or someshit Jul 18 23:56:06 isn't it the same concept? Jul 18 23:56:17 no Jul 18 23:56:29 cuz thats just transcoding it from live tv to a file Jul 18 23:56:39 im trying to play that file while its being made : Jul 18 23:56:41 :) Jul 18 23:58:38 anyone using jack hero? Jul 18 23:59:32 yeah but transcoding is just playing a file while it's being created at the same time Jul 18 23:59:45 so you're just doing the 2nd step :) Jul 18 23:59:49 uhhh Jul 18 23:59:51 can android sync without the google stuff directly? Jul 18 23:59:51 wut lol Jul 19 00:00:09 well.. you have the file.. you are basically just streaming it ... converting it.. and playng it Jul 19 00:00:11 VavaR: such as with what, exactly? Jul 19 00:00:11 so it's the same thing Jul 19 00:00:16 Macer: yeah Jul 19 00:00:18 but its not plahing Jul 19 00:00:19 paying Jul 19 00:00:21 lol Jul 19 00:00:22 playing**** Jul 19 00:00:34 maybe your player doesn't support the method you are using to encode the mp4 Jul 19 00:00:42 uhh Jul 19 00:00:43 ffplay Jul 19 00:00:45 lol Jul 19 00:01:06 is the jackhero rom stable to use daily? Jul 19 00:01:14 well. hope you get it working. i'm going to install win7 on this box Jul 19 00:01:16 heh Jul 19 00:01:27 :{ Jul 19 00:01:27 k so w00t Jul 19 00:01:27 i should connect to the vpn while attached to the same router's wifi Jul 19 00:01:29 just to be silly Jul 19 00:01:31 azilink tethering working Jul 19 00:01:32 lol Jul 19 00:01:34 lol the metal detector makes me laugh Jul 19 00:01:36 not bad Jul 19 00:01:38 i guess Jul 19 00:01:42 wtf is azilink? Jul 19 00:01:48 I wonder how it works Jul 19 00:02:06 Macer: i unno Jul 19 00:02:09 zelrikriando: it doesn't Jul 19 00:02:10 the metal detector doesnt work too well Jul 19 00:02:13 http://code.google.com/p/azilink/ Jul 19 00:02:18 they just press a hidden button so it doesn't look like racial profiling Jul 19 00:02:27 it's really just a giant prop Jul 19 00:02:28 twois10: it worked okay for me before i rooted and flashed.. now it's kinda sketchy Jul 19 00:02:29 Macer: it does pretty well actually Jul 19 00:02:40 hrmm Jul 19 00:02:46 oh i thought you meant at airports Jul 19 00:02:52 jpa: it works ok at times Jul 19 00:02:53 anyone who's used azilink tethering... do i have to keep the dos window open? Jul 19 00:02:55 Macer: if I make the phone closer to my laptop, it vibrates like hell, same for my keys Jul 19 00:03:20 or can I close it once it says "Initialization Sequence Completed" Jul 19 00:03:22 ? Jul 19 00:03:24 and it does not work for all metals Jul 19 00:03:29 jpa: wtf is azlilink tethering? Jul 19 00:03:35 and why in hell would you need a "dos window" Jul 19 00:03:36 haha Jul 19 00:03:43 Macer http://code.google.com/p/azilink/ Jul 19 00:03:44 twois10: high density seems to be ok Jul 19 00:04:35 jpa: ok. that is kind of interesting Jul 19 00:04:40 Macer: ahh Jul 19 00:04:44 not possible for mp4 Jul 19 00:04:45 ;) Jul 19 00:04:48 at least you can charge it while playing it Jul 19 00:05:00 and a g1 has an mp4 decoder right? Jul 19 00:05:02 twois10: I really wonder what sensor it uses though Jul 19 00:05:02 Macer: seems to work right now.. not having problems using IRC, MSN, or browsing Jul 19 00:05:03 w00t Jul 19 00:05:14 jpa: on the laptop? Jul 19 00:05:17 zelrikriando: maybe magnet Jul 19 00:05:30 what'd you do .. connect to a vpn at home ? Jul 19 00:05:36 it looks like an interesting idea Jul 19 00:05:40 but you need a usb cable Jul 19 00:05:49 what os are you tethering on ? Jul 19 00:05:51 twois10: but it has to be something built in by default in all phones Jul 19 00:06:40 Win Xp Jul 19 00:06:44 ya laptop Jul 19 00:06:48 zelrikriando: tell you the truth, i don't know, but its a neat app Jul 19 00:06:54 im gonna check & see if this shit will work in Ubuntu now Jul 19 00:06:59 I will go to the beach with my phone :p Jul 19 00:07:16 and search for metalic stuff Jul 19 00:07:17 :p Jul 19 00:08:16 it reminds me of something that requires a linux acm driver Jul 19 00:08:34 and you don't need root.. that's kind of intersting too.. but i'd rather stick to the wifi tethering :) Jul 19 00:13:59 Macer: !!!![' Jul 19 00:14:05 it works if i convert to mp3 Jul 19 00:14:06 :D Jul 19 00:14:11 songza app here i come! Jul 19 00:14:16 lol Jul 19 00:14:18 no vid tho huh? Jul 19 00:14:21 nah Jul 19 00:14:23 who needs vid Jul 19 00:14:24 psshh Jul 19 00:14:26 mp4 = h264? Jul 19 00:14:27 its music!!! Jul 19 00:14:31 idk Jul 19 00:14:32 idc Jul 19 00:14:34 lol Jul 19 00:14:37 AakashPatel: they already have an app that does that Jul 19 00:14:38 :) Jul 19 00:14:43 does waht? Jul 19 00:14:43 not only that Jul 19 00:14:50 if you install the windows server stuff Jul 19 00:14:58 oh that BS Jul 19 00:15:02 you can play music on the computer Jul 19 00:15:02 lol Jul 19 00:15:05 i know Jul 19 00:15:11 but this is not from your comp :P Jul 19 00:15:11 by picking it from the phone.. i thought it was pretty nice Jul 19 00:15:15 cuz i dont have any music :) Jul 19 00:15:27 well.. from a "server" Jul 19 00:15:31 well Jul 19 00:15:33 that server has to have music Jul 19 00:15:35 :) Jul 19 00:15:48 oh yeah Jul 19 00:15:53 you're trying to do flash Jul 19 00:15:57 yeah Jul 19 00:16:01 but from the songza site Jul 19 00:16:02 :) Jul 19 00:16:07 streamed flash has some pretty bad quality Jul 19 00:16:11 nah Jul 19 00:16:12 i jsut did it Jul 19 00:16:14 its pretty nice Jul 19 00:16:18 well Jul 19 00:16:21 put it on the market then! Jul 19 00:16:25 WAIT Jul 19 00:16:25 $.99!! Jul 19 00:16:27 lol Jul 19 00:16:30 i will! Jul 19 00:16:31 HURRY!! Jul 19 00:16:33 haha Jul 19 00:16:41 you could be the next android millionaire Jul 19 00:16:47 im waiting for ffmpeg to compile XD Jul 19 00:16:55 lol Jul 19 00:17:00 Macer: you mean Jul 19 00:17:04 Market millionaire! Jul 19 00:17:13 lol Jul 19 00:18:00 i cant wait XD Jul 19 00:18:14 (not to sell it, just to actually have a music app) Jul 19 00:18:21 wif freez music Jul 19 00:20:19 aww Jul 19 00:20:21 this is shit Jul 19 00:20:44 who here runs ubuntu Jul 19 00:20:54 jaunty Jul 19 00:21:00 <_Auron_> uh Jul 19 00:21:07 <_Auron_> not on this network but someone just called android the new windows Jul 19 00:21:18 blwhahahh Jul 19 00:21:33 its not remotely clost Jul 19 00:21:35 close* Jul 19 00:21:41 its like...1/100th Jul 19 00:21:42 lol Jul 19 00:23:37 <_Auron_> he meant market-wise Jul 19 00:23:43 <_Auron_> being a direct competitor of apple Jul 19 00:23:51 lolll Jul 19 00:35:20 yay Jul 19 00:35:32 time to figure how im gonna get these flv's from songza Jul 19 00:38:06 just use flashget Jul 19 00:40:07 Macer: sweet the api for songza gives you a link to the vid XD Jul 19 00:40:27 and search Jul 19 00:40:29 and EVARYTHING Jul 19 01:02:20 high def watchmen is out Jul 19 01:02:24 i thought it was a pretty good movie Jul 19 01:02:35 everybody was just expecting another x-men movie Jul 19 01:03:02 WUT Jul 19 01:03:04 where Jul 19 01:03:05 gimme Jul 19 01:03:20 lol Jul 19 01:03:26 dude that's like 12G haha Jul 19 01:03:32 i dont care haha Jul 19 01:03:37 i do! Jul 19 01:03:38 :) Jul 19 01:03:42 i have step bro's 10GB Jul 19 01:03:45 lol Jul 19 01:03:47 i mean Jul 19 01:03:48 where did you get it? Jul 19 01:03:54 or did you buy ti Jul 19 01:05:02 trying to make a damn win7 bootable usb drive Jul 19 01:05:14 heh Jul 19 01:05:19 i think i should get a new copy Jul 19 01:05:47 dude Jul 19 01:05:56 this new validation shit M$ hs Jul 19 01:05:58 has* Jul 19 01:06:07 i cant update my "copy" of windows xp pro anymore lol Jul 19 01:07:14 er Jul 19 01:07:16 why not? :) Jul 19 01:07:18 just use a wga crack Jul 19 01:07:25 ehh Jul 19 01:07:40 that means downloading extra shiz XD Jul 19 01:07:46 it's like 1MB Jul 19 01:07:55 not even Jul 19 01:07:56 pshhh Jul 19 01:07:57 more like 300K haha Jul 19 01:07:58 later Jul 19 01:08:00 lol Jul 19 01:08:13 found the retail win7 Jul 19 01:08:15 http://vidics.com/ Jul 19 01:08:17 owah Jul 19 01:08:18 woah* Jul 19 01:08:19 which is good because i was about to make a beta stick Jul 19 01:08:27 okay cool so i think azilink is as good as it gets so far for HTC Magic tethering Jul 19 01:08:38 and i have to keep a prompt window open :\ Jul 19 01:08:38 hahaha Jul 19 01:08:47 jpa--: oh yeah.. you couldn't get the wifi tetehring going huh? Jul 19 01:08:55 can't you just run it with an & Jul 19 01:08:55 ? Jul 19 01:08:58 like.. azlink & Jul 19 01:09:04 and close the win Jul 19 01:09:06 ? Jul 19 01:09:06 or Jul 19 01:09:08 screen Jul 19 01:09:09 haha Jul 19 01:09:10 hrmm Jul 19 01:09:16 do they have screen ? :) Jul 19 01:09:19 i never even checked Jul 19 01:09:19 pardon me? Jul 19 01:09:22 je ne comprende pas Jul 19 01:09:26 Macer: check Jul 19 01:09:28 jpa--: run the command Jul 19 01:09:30 with & Jul 19 01:09:31 jpa--: french aint getting you out of this one! Jul 19 01:09:33 lol Jul 19 01:09:38 what does & do ? Jul 19 01:09:42 and it will fork it to the background Jul 19 01:09:46 BUT Jul 19 01:09:51 futoako-tamagawa Jul 19 01:09:59 to kill it you have to literally kill it Jul 19 01:10:06 like us ps to find out its id and kill -9 pid Jul 19 01:10:13 through task manager i guess? Jul 19 01:10:16 oh weird Jul 19 01:10:18 hm Jul 19 01:10:22 not sure if tm would work Jul 19 01:10:25 <-- winxp Jul 19 01:10:30 oh Jul 19 01:10:35 you mean on the laptop :-P Jul 19 01:10:38 well.. never mind then Jul 19 01:10:42 lol Jul 19 01:10:55 i thought you meant you had to run it from a term on the phone Jul 19 01:10:58 so never mind haha Jul 19 01:11:10 wtf.. what kind of xp app requires an open dos window? how 1989 Jul 19 01:11:21 haha yeah i know Jul 19 01:11:37 i'm waiting for you to tel me it runs trump socket Jul 19 01:11:42 that's what i thought Jul 19 01:11:45 but it's the only tethering i can get to work pretty much as well as iphone Jul 19 01:11:47 in terms of speed Jul 19 01:11:57 just couldnn't get the wifi stuff going huh? Jul 19 01:11:58 that sucks Jul 19 01:12:01 ....... i dont know what trump socket means Jul 19 01:12:03 the wifi tethering app on teh g1 is pretty awesome Jul 19 01:12:17 jpa--: lol.. before they started including tcp/ip with operating systems Jul 19 01:12:22 it's what you had to use in windows 3.1 Jul 19 01:12:27 ive tried it on a couple roms now and each time i just get a stupid no iptables/netfilter support error Jul 19 01:12:31 something about update kernel Jul 19 01:12:39 jpa--: i see Jul 19 01:12:54 that sucks Jul 19 01:13:07 you could always ... build your own kernel :) Jul 19 01:14:28 blah.. well.. i'm going to make this bootable sd for this win7 install Jul 19 01:14:51 i think i'll just win7 on the desktops. opensolaris would be good to use for forcing lazy client employees to stay in their work enviroment Jul 19 01:14:54 haha Jul 19 01:15:09 because most of them are too stupid to figure out how to use it other than the app with the icon on the desktop Jul 19 01:15:38 sorta like how im too stupid to build my own kernel Jul 19 01:15:48 wouldn't even know where to begin.. im one of those "instructions followers" Jul 19 01:15:48 jpa--: lol. don't feel bad. i couldn't do it either Jul 19 01:15:53 but then again i was running gay ass osx Jul 19 01:16:03 so i'm sure it was an apple fake posix enviroment problem Jul 19 01:16:05 building a kernels not at hard as it seems Jul 19 01:16:06 * Macer hides Jul 19 01:16:08 :) Jul 19 01:16:20 bmk789: depends what kind of mind you have dude Jul 19 01:16:28 building one correctly might be though Jul 19 01:16:37 bmk789: haha.. agreed Jul 19 01:16:54 i remember building a kernel 10 times on my sx/25MHz Jul 19 01:16:56 :) Jul 19 01:17:03 ya, i hear ya, java just makes no sense to make, no matter how much i read Jul 19 01:17:08 some things are just difficult Jul 19 01:17:21 and that was before the menuconfig stuff for linux Jul 19 01:17:32 so you had to go through that long ass list of Y/N questions Jul 19 01:17:49 yet some peoples minds can just absorb how the code works, and spit it out like language Jul 19 01:18:03 usually they have autism or aspergers though lol Jul 19 01:18:16 ... not that those are funny Jul 19 01:18:38 i know what ya mean Jul 19 01:19:07 imo, you ahve to be like rainman to be a coder :P Jul 19 01:19:16 definitely definitely have to be like rain man Jul 19 01:19:18 man, if i could code, id have like 15 apps on the market by now Jul 19 01:19:36 if i could code, id never stop coding, and id try to sell everything Jul 19 01:19:42 some ppl make mad money on stuff Jul 19 01:19:52 and im betting that the mobile market is going to blow up Jul 19 01:19:55 with all the OS's releasing SDK's Jul 19 01:20:04 ya, but selling just doesnt seem in the spirit of android to me Jul 19 01:20:05 its gonna get huge.. like 5 to 10 yrs i bet Jul 19 01:20:16 id release everything as free and accept donations Jul 19 01:20:25 bmk789: selling adds Jul 19 01:20:28 ads Jul 19 01:20:39 that too Jul 19 01:20:43 springly Jul 19 01:20:50 sparingly* Jul 19 01:21:21 i think i read android was predicted to overtake iphone within 3 years? Jul 19 01:21:37 WTFFF Jul 19 01:21:39 D/MARKLIAO( 325): [HWKBinput::onKeyUp] >> ch= t i=4 Jul 19 01:21:41 D/MARKLIAO( 325): [HWKBinput::onKeyUp] >> ch= r i=3 Jul 19 01:21:42 D/MARKLIAO( 325): [HWKBinput::onKeyDown] >> MetaState = 0 testModifier=false keyCode=0x43 Jul 19 01:21:44 D/MARKLIAO( 325): [HWKBinput::onKeyDown] >> keyCode= 67 i=27 Jul 19 01:21:46 I/MARKLIAO( 325): [HWKBinput::onKeyDown] >> mSystemFnState= 0 Jul 19 01:21:48 D/MARKLIAO( 325): [HWKBinput: Jul 19 01:21:49 i have like a shit ton of these in my lolcat Jul 19 01:21:54 You can predict whatever you want for 3 years Jul 19 01:22:28 oh my Jul 19 01:22:35 aPatel: you ever get that to work with dd-wrt Jul 19 01:22:36 when i use the hardware keyboard iwth the HTC IME Jul 19 01:22:41 shit happens Jul 19 01:22:44 maybe in 3 years iphone will have a new design Jul 19 01:22:51 Wickednix: uhh i got somethin workin lo Jul 19 01:22:52 l Jul 19 01:22:54 AakashPatel: force close? Jul 19 01:22:56 jpa--: nope Jul 19 01:23:04 it just logs ever time i hit a key Jul 19 01:23:16 i needa find out how to turn that off :/ Jul 19 01:23:21 It's like people speculating about Chrome OS Jul 19 01:23:29 Who knows what it will be Jul 19 01:23:34 zelrikriando: yeah Jul 19 01:23:35 :) heh Jul 19 01:23:40 i hope it will be good though Jul 19 01:23:43 Who knows maybe in 3 years Google will fall Jul 19 01:23:45 i'd love to see what they can make Jul 19 01:23:55 im almost thinking they might Jul 19 01:23:55 android (imho) wasn't bad at all as a phone os Jul 19 01:24:02 jpa--: like enron? Jul 19 01:24:12 someone eventually is going to ask them where they get their money from Jul 19 01:24:24 if they release Chrome OS and the speculations right, and it IS also for mobile phones - its like kililng their own product before it can take off Jul 19 01:24:24 i simply can't see adsense revenue sustaining such a large co Jul 19 01:24:28 they'll get a reputation of being overzealous and unreliable Jul 19 01:24:39 jpa--: i don't think they are making it for a phone Jul 19 01:24:44 pushing out beta products as final releases and cashing in Jul 19 01:24:46 their site said it was more so targeted at netbooks Jul 19 01:24:50 jpa--: They have been saying no 3G for Chrome OS Jul 19 01:24:57 jpa--: what are they cashing in on? :) Jul 19 01:24:58 i read netbooks and mobile phones Jul 19 01:24:59 haha no3 g Jul 19 01:25:03 they are releasing it for free Jul 19 01:25:03 Chrome OS is not a phone OS Jul 19 01:25:05 haha Jul 19 01:25:07 maybe they're gonna take the consumer handset market Jul 19 01:25:08 not just smartphones Jul 19 01:25:12 but dufus phones too :P Jul 19 01:25:30 zelrikriando: like i said.. i read yesterday that it will be Netbooks and mobile phones Jul 19 01:25:31 jpa--: i don't understand how they are cashing in on operating systems that they are open sourcing Jul 19 01:25:36 jpa--: there are lots of things that you can read Jul 19 01:25:47 lol Jul 19 01:26:04 jpa--: read their official blog, not some random blogger Jul 19 01:26:07 chrome OS was supposed to be for something stronger than a phone but less powerful than the typical monstrosity of a windows gaming box Jul 19 01:26:17 or some dumb journalist Jul 19 01:26:20 lol Jul 19 01:26:22 are gizmodo and engadget random bloggers? Jul 19 01:26:22 just noticed...html is like xml XD Jul 19 01:26:31 jpa--: yes! Jul 19 01:26:33 haha Jul 19 01:26:40 they're the worst ones to read! Jul 19 01:26:46 especially engadget Jul 19 01:27:08 gawker media Jul 19 01:27:18 nokia put a patent for a "C" series and engadget said nokia was crap Jul 19 01:27:24 they should have fired taht random blogger haha Jul 19 01:27:33 nokia makes the best phone based hardware out there hands down Jul 19 01:27:43 nothing can even touch them :) Jul 19 01:28:23 i look at this piece of crap flimsy htc/tmob g1 and compared to a good nokia phone it is absolute garbage and horribly made and cheap Jul 19 01:28:42 Last year I have read that Summer 2008 was meant to be WW3 Jul 19 01:28:51 lol Jul 19 01:28:53 I guess that blogger was wrong Jul 19 01:28:54 :D Jul 19 01:28:56 like the actual world war 3? Jul 19 01:28:56 :) Jul 19 01:29:03 or is the acronym for something else? Jul 19 01:29:16 The guy said that Bush was gonna nuke the hell out everything Jul 19 01:29:40 because of the relations with Iran at the time Jul 19 01:29:41 did he think iraq was hiding a nuclear aresenal along with its secret stealth fighter jets in an underground cave being controlled by bin landen? Jul 19 01:29:55 oh Jul 19 01:30:14 zelrikriando: reminds me about a guy in hs who tripped on acid all the time and said the govt was mind controlling us with lights and tap water Jul 19 01:30:20 something about flouride and atomic charges Jul 19 01:30:30 he did sound like he believed it though :) Jul 19 01:30:44 freemasons and the $1 1 eye pyramid.. etc :) haha Jul 19 01:30:48 Fluoride Jul 19 01:30:51 yeah Jul 19 01:30:54 it's true :D Jul 19 01:30:59 HAHA Jul 19 01:31:08 Actually it's true that Fluoride is a poison Jul 19 01:31:12 what are these curly light bulbs using? Jul 19 01:31:19 but not in small quantities Jul 19 01:31:22 is there an easy way to upload images from an android phone to a gallery instance? Jul 19 01:31:27 and a filter does the job to fix it Jul 19 01:31:28 :D Jul 19 01:31:34 lol Jul 19 01:31:42 well. somehow they were controlling our minds with it Jul 19 01:32:15 then after that i guess they had to replace MS with google so they used their vast powers to create a mid level OS for netbooks! Jul 19 01:32:27 and are going to use their flouride mind control to get everybody to use it! Jul 19 01:32:32 * Macer starts his own blog Jul 19 01:32:41 is engadget hiring? :) Jul 19 01:32:46 lol Jul 19 01:32:55 i swear when they called nokia crap Jul 19 01:33:00 i wanted to blow up their building Jul 19 01:33:01 haha Jul 19 01:33:15 nokia is involved in Iran issues Jul 19 01:33:22 People boycott nokia there Jul 19 01:33:26 uh oh Jul 19 01:33:33 they were using nokia phones to record the evil iranian govt beating demonstrators? Jul 19 01:33:33 because they are helping the governement Jul 19 01:33:37 oh Jul 19 01:33:40 so the other way around Jul 19 01:33:40 haha Jul 19 01:33:55 Nokia sold some technology to Iran Jul 19 01:33:57 or so Jul 19 01:34:04 i'm sure a ton of countries do Jul 19 01:34:11 but well.. every company/country does that Jul 19 01:34:13 but then again. nokia probably sold them cell phone cam tech :) Jul 19 01:34:18 er.. i mean companies Jul 19 01:34:30 in order for big brother to keep a wireless eye on little brother Jul 19 01:35:35 It doesnt stop people from protesting Jul 19 01:36:03 They cant put back the genie in the bottle Jul 19 01:36:07 hrmm Jul 19 01:36:27 with azilink - to stop tethering, and unplug my phone.. do i just close the prompt window, and unplug the phone? Jul 19 01:36:28 or.....? Jul 19 01:37:11 jpa--: oh man still trying to tether? Jul 19 01:37:25 hmm does the android loader support LD_LIBRARY_PATH? Jul 19 01:38:49 # ./iw Jul 19 01:38:54 ./iw: not found Jul 19 01:39:20 I assume that's some library search path issue, I'd rather not build it statically Jul 19 01:41:01 noooo clue Jul 19 01:41:12 bcopeland: not so much trying to tether.. just trying to find the most efficient method Jul 19 01:41:25 so far, azilink is best, despite leaving an open prompt window running and if i close it, i disconnect Jul 19 01:41:35 but still good speeds... irc, msn, and torrents work properly, etc Jul 19 01:41:46 buuut.. to disconnect and unplug my phone safely.... Jul 19 01:41:47 no clue what to do Jul 19 01:42:09 the instructions i followed to Azilink Tether Jul 19 01:42:09 http://code.google.com/p/azilink/ Jul 19 01:44:52 anyone using compcache? Jul 19 01:47:06 cool Jul 19 01:49:09 heh Jul 19 01:49:44 * LD_LIBRARY_PATH env variable for non-setuid programs. */ Jul 19 01:49:55 oops: /say /* TODO: Need to add support for initializing the so search path with Jul 19 01:50:04 or whatever Jul 19 01:50:09 anyway, that would be a no Jul 19 01:50:43 okay, this http://pastebin.com/m5b7a5630 , it would just make a json request to http://songza.com/a/query that only is "{ "q": "enjoy the silence depeche mode" } Jul 19 01:50:48 righ? Jul 19 01:52:20 can't seem to format this sd on a usb adapter to ntfs Jul 19 01:52:24 and diskpart won't even see it Jul 19 01:52:26 what a bastard :) Jul 19 01:52:40 blah. guess i'll just go old school and burn an actual dvd Jul 19 01:56:16 ohhhhhh Jul 19 01:56:25 i dont need the damn brackets or quotes! Jul 19 01:56:26 d'oh Jul 19 02:03:24 YESS Jul 19 02:06:27 okay Jul 19 02:06:29 who wants to help me Jul 19 02:07:04 http://pastie.org/550880 Jul 19 02:07:22 on that, does anyone know how i would get the id field from that responce? Jul 19 02:09:36 gr Jul 19 02:09:37 wtf Jul 19 02:09:51 goddamn opensolaris with its lame ass "i don't want to burn an iso over an nfs" crap it has going on Jul 19 02:10:10 which i find odd.. wonder if they have kde4 for it yet in the pkg manager Jul 19 02:11:19 hello,guys~now I want to porting an mobile ipv6 source(mipl) to android, but I have no clue~anyone do similar work ~ thanks in advance~ Jul 19 02:11:58 yeah that kind of sucked :) Jul 19 02:15:18 omfg Jul 19 02:15:22 you're kidding me Jul 19 02:15:30 you cant download flv's of imeem music? Jul 19 02:15:43 anyone do similar work ? Now I am anxious to realize this~thanks Jul 19 02:16:29 do you know ipv6 inside and out? Jul 19 02:17:28 okay Jul 19 02:18:28 If android core(> 2.6.16) have realized the mobile ipv6 ,do not patch~ Jul 19 02:19:02 ~~ Jul 19 02:19:04 lol Jul 19 02:20:25 Macer: ... Jul 19 02:20:45 imeem...mp3's...cant...download...live...like...youtube Jul 19 02:22:35 uhm Jul 19 02:22:36 huh? Jul 19 02:23:06 i cant download flv's from imeem :/ Jul 19 02:24:10 you can't from youtube either Jul 19 02:24:17 yes Jul 19 02:24:20 yes you can Jul 19 02:24:21 okay, so what Jul 19 02:24:23 i just got a system update what's this all about? Jul 19 02:24:37 aakashpatel Jul 19 02:24:37 TommyBres: i was gonna make a songza app :( Jul 19 02:24:51 im sunburned like a mothafucka Jul 19 02:24:55 haha Jul 19 02:25:13 i was born burnt! Jul 19 02:25:17 live with it! Jul 19 02:25:20 lmao Jul 19 02:25:24 and i have a white band around my wrist where im not burned, had to wear a bracelet for readmission Jul 19 02:25:35 aakashpatel you were born burnPROOF Jul 19 02:25:39 lol Jul 19 02:25:44 hahah Jul 19 02:25:45 AakashPatel: i thought you couldn't Jul 19 02:25:46 my bqad Jul 19 02:25:48 burns hurt, itch, and make for sleepless nights Jul 19 02:25:48 bad too Jul 19 02:25:55 you werent born with that Jul 19 02:26:14 lol Jul 19 02:26:24 ive had burns so bad my face was the color of a cooked lobster Jul 19 02:26:34 white? Jul 19 02:26:36 haha Jul 19 02:26:37 this isnt nearly as bad, but still lame Jul 19 02:26:41 you alergic to sunscreen or something? Jul 19 02:26:51 ....have you ever cooked a lobster, aakashpatel Jul 19 02:27:05 macer sunscreen washes off :P Jul 19 02:27:08 ii seen it on tv! Jul 19 02:27:10 :P Jul 19 02:27:15 TommyBres: they have waterproof sunscreen Jul 19 02:27:24 i just avoid the sun Jul 19 02:27:24 and you can always add more Jul 19 02:27:35 i mean it isn't like the stuff is that expensive Jul 19 02:27:55 macer: it doesnt work when its 90* and youre sweating sack for 8 hours at the track Jul 19 02:28:21 lol wastrel good advice Jul 19 02:28:27 call me dracula :) Jul 19 02:29:03 the good news is, in 2 days when the burn is gone i'll be tan Jul 19 02:29:03 brb Jul 19 02:30:08 http://www.himaya.com/products/sportsformula.html Jul 19 02:30:17 sure it does Jul 19 02:30:50 what do you think all those pasty white european olympic people had to do? Jul 19 02:31:09 it will be either a tan or cancer Jul 19 02:31:29 * Macer goes to check something on his phone Jul 19 02:32:13 wtf Jul 19 02:32:20 every single idea for an app i have Jul 19 02:32:23 is not possible Jul 19 02:32:49 bleh Jul 19 02:32:57 i should dump android and go desktop XD Jul 19 02:33:38 that's why you should work on the bt keyboard ui ;) Jul 19 02:33:39 lol Jul 19 02:33:40 it's easy Jul 19 02:33:44 and useful Jul 19 02:33:56 ehhh Jul 19 02:33:58 $1 market Jul 19 02:34:02 who caries a keybarod with them lol Jul 19 02:34:16 i would if the ui had support and i didn't have to activate it from the term Jul 19 02:34:19 and if androffice didn't suck Jul 19 02:34:20 lol Jul 19 02:34:34 * AakashPatel closes out of eclipse Jul 19 02:34:35 putting win7 back on my k45 now Jul 19 02:34:41 opensolaris is great as a server Jul 19 02:34:45 but crappy as a desktop :) Jul 19 02:34:49 i say the same about linux Jul 19 02:34:51 XD Jul 19 02:35:04 linux isn't too bad as a desktop Jul 19 02:35:11 i think xp is the best :) Jul 19 02:35:12 haha Jul 19 02:35:14 lol Jul 19 02:35:17 but win7 isn't that bad either Jul 19 02:35:17 * AakashPatel thinks osx is Jul 19 02:35:27 i really didn't care too much for osx Jul 19 02:35:33 i luv it lol Jul 19 02:35:37 i found a buyer for my macbook for $550 Jul 19 02:35:40 so i'm sellin git Jul 19 02:35:44 heh Jul 19 02:35:53 right now i'm on an aspire1 with xp ;) Jul 19 02:36:00 time to think of something else to make :) Jul 19 02:36:02 works better than the macbook if you put virtualwin on it Jul 19 02:36:15 lol have like 15 projects in eclipse that i like, but are not possible Jul 19 02:36:48 hm Jul 19 02:36:56 what does win use for a fs when it installs? Jul 19 02:37:09 because it doesn't even seem like it formats or partitions it or anything if it's unallocated space Jul 19 02:37:12 it's almost like zfs :) Jul 19 02:37:24 zfs o.o windows Jul 19 02:37:31 how does that work lol Jul 19 02:37:45 oh Jul 19 02:37:50 it uses ntfs Jul 19 02:37:53 or someshiz Jul 19 02:38:07 ohhh Jul 19 02:38:09 nm Jul 19 02:38:17 im retarded :) Jul 19 02:38:45 Windows uses NTFS Jul 19 02:38:51 i said it Jul 19 02:38:53 first Jul 19 02:38:55 you lose Jul 19 02:39:58 kback Jul 19 02:40:03 TommyBres: life sucks Jul 19 02:40:10 whys that Jul 19 02:40:11 okay, mostly my phone Jul 19 02:40:15 k Jul 19 02:40:25 you fix youres yet? Jul 19 02:40:27 yours Jul 19 02:40:47 i gave up, nobody can help me and i cant help myself Jul 19 02:40:57 :| Jul 19 02:40:58 WIPE Jul 19 02:41:01 DAMN IT Jul 19 02:41:03 i did... Jul 19 02:41:03 brb Jul 19 02:41:05 k Jul 19 02:43:23 okay Jul 19 02:43:45 you wiped? Jul 19 02:43:59 yay Jul 19 02:44:26 TommyBres: whats still wrong with it Jul 19 02:45:42 I have goodnews to report Jul 19 02:45:58 USPS has accepted my delivery from DHL Jul 19 02:46:07 great... Jul 19 02:46:15 so I may receive it withing the next two weeks Jul 19 02:46:16 wait Jul 19 02:46:22 where did it ship from? Jul 19 02:46:30 from newegg Jul 19 02:46:31 DHL died in the US :x Jul 19 02:46:53 i mean where Jul 19 02:46:55 location Jul 19 02:47:05 i think from NJ or CA Jul 19 02:47:08 wtf Jul 19 02:47:16 i thought DHL quit domestic shipping in US Jul 19 02:48:49 newegg screwed me on this one Jul 19 02:49:11 normally i should have received it by this past wednesday Jul 19 02:51:02 aww Jul 19 02:51:04 poor you Jul 19 02:51:06 :P Jul 19 02:51:16 ill bet you it didnt ship from US Jul 19 02:51:41 it shipped from the us Jul 19 02:52:16 Newegg ships from CA Jul 19 02:52:19 WRONG Jul 19 02:52:26 DHL doesnt domestically ship in US Jul 19 02:52:35 wrong Jul 19 02:52:38 wrong Jul 19 02:52:40 lol Jul 19 02:52:46 7/17/2009 6:04 PM ET MID FLORIDA, FL, US SHIPMENT ACCEPTED BY USPS Jul 19 02:52:48 7/17/2009 6:33 AM ET HOLLYWOOD, FL, US TENDERED TO USPS Jul 19 02:52:49 7/17/2009 3:35 AM ET HOLLYWOOD, FL, US ARRIVAL DESTINATION DHL GLOBAL MAIL FACILITY Jul 19 02:52:51 7/15/2009 8:09 AM ET HEBRON, KY, US DEPARTURE ORIGIN DHL GLOBAL MAIL FACILITY Jul 19 02:52:52 7/15/2009 3:13 AM ET HEBRON, KY, US PROCESSED Jul 19 02:52:54 7/15/2009 12:44 AM ET HEBRON, KY, US ARRIVAL ORIGIN DHL GLOBAL MAIL FACILITY Jul 19 02:52:55 7/14/2009 1:10 PM CT MEMPHIS, TN, US PICK UP Jul 19 02:52:56 yay Jul 19 02:52:58 spam Jul 19 02:53:04 sorry Jul 19 02:53:19 wtf Jul 19 02:53:24 i dont get that Jul 19 02:53:25 oh well Jul 19 02:53:31 i dontcare :) Jul 19 02:53:31 so it shipped from Tennesse Jul 19 02:54:00 oh newegg got new distribution centers Jul 19 02:54:26 why would they ship it with global mail lol Jul 19 02:54:53 DHL has a partnership with newegg Jul 19 02:54:55 URMOM Jul 19 02:55:00 it was free shipping, i made a mistake Jul 19 02:55:08 AakashPatel caller id doesnt work Jul 19 02:55:13 everything else is fine Jul 19 02:55:16 even after wipe?? Jul 19 02:59:38 AakashPatel i wiped (and restored) and it was still there :P Jul 19 02:59:41 once i get this new flash drive, i want to run ap2sd. I can just partition it in linux right? Jul 19 02:59:55 yep twois10 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 19 02:59:57 2009