**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 20 02:59:57 2009 Jul 20 03:01:45 hahahahah Jul 20 03:02:06 Medjai: why the hell did you pm me Jul 20 03:03:37 oh Jul 20 03:03:38 shit Jul 20 03:03:40 hahahahaha Jul 20 03:09:16 * goingtoworkfan is profoundly on his G1 Jul 20 03:09:50 gross. Jul 20 03:12:56 hah Jul 20 03:14:05 * goingtoworkfan is profoundly on his G1 Jul 20 03:14:54 Is that sentence missing some words? Jul 20 03:15:08 that s what i was thinking Jul 20 03:16:08 lol i got lost. Jul 20 03:17:27 * goingtoworkfan is profoundly on his G1 Jul 20 03:23:07 ... Jul 20 03:27:36 * k4r1m slaps AakashPatel with a large droid Jul 20 03:27:47 lmao Jul 20 03:34:42 zelrikriando: u here? Jul 20 03:36:01 jpa: how about u, u here? Jul 20 03:36:48 no i killed them all Jul 20 03:37:29 dam u Jul 20 03:37:44 i guess that droid did really hit u and got u angry Jul 20 03:38:11 >:| Jul 20 03:38:20 lol Jul 20 03:38:20 nice hair Jul 20 03:38:32 pshh Jul 20 03:38:34 brb Jul 20 03:38:40 neva Jul 20 03:39:49 how come the filesystem layout changes in recovery mode? Jul 20 03:40:32 hmm Jul 20 03:40:55 would discussion regarding android phones be appropriate here? Jul 20 03:41:10 e.g purchasing phones, plans associated with it Jul 20 03:41:11 etc. Jul 20 03:44:21 back Jul 20 03:44:29 hahaha Jul 20 03:44:31 no Jul 20 03:44:37 its just the #android channel for no reason Jul 20 03:44:54 wait im in the #android channel? Jul 20 03:45:07 wtf was i thinking i thought i was in #ubuntu-offtopic Jul 20 03:45:12 hahaa Jul 20 03:45:15 [/sarcasm] Jul 20 03:45:18 :| Jul 20 03:45:23 poker face Jul 20 03:45:25 lol Jul 20 03:45:39 very serious Jul 20 03:45:40 it got me Jul 20 03:45:49 lulz Jul 20 03:45:51 i FOLD!!!!1111oneoneone Jul 20 03:46:45 heh Jul 20 03:46:52 flushh Jul 20 03:47:02 oh waiut Jul 20 03:47:06 thats not poker lol Jul 20 03:47:15 or is it? Jul 20 03:47:18 i forget Jul 20 03:47:19 it is lol Jul 20 03:47:24 22:39 < poningru> would discussion regarding android phones be appropriate here? Jul 20 03:47:27 HAHAHAHA Jul 20 03:47:39 Macer: i know haha Jul 20 03:47:40 that's kind of sad :) Jul 20 03:47:45 ... Jul 20 03:47:50 hahaha Jul 20 03:47:57 we're laughing with you Jul 20 03:47:59 ...oh wait Jul 20 03:47:59 poningru: yes ;) Jul 20 03:48:02 were not Jul 20 03:48:03 hahaah Jul 20 03:48:05 it is appropriate here Jul 20 03:48:14 as a matter of fact.. seriously.. please do Jul 20 03:48:16 Macer, thanks mate Jul 20 03:48:23 last time we had a tommybrez emo moment Jul 20 03:48:25 * Macer grins Jul 20 03:48:33 hahaha Jul 20 03:48:43 i'd rather talk about anything than tommy's emotions Jul 20 03:48:44 tommybresbo Jul 20 03:48:56 tommyemo Jul 20 03:49:02 i shoudl put a bot here with that nick :) Jul 20 03:49:07 hahahah Jul 20 03:49:10 just to see how long it takes him to lose it and commit suicide Jul 20 03:49:11 haha Jul 20 03:49:28 AakashPatel: you can make an app Jul 20 03:49:40 too? Jul 20 03:49:41 that connects to the internet so people can pick a box in the suicide pool Jul 20 03:49:47 :) Jul 20 03:49:52 hahah Jul 20 03:49:56 you get bonus points if you actually cause the suicide Jul 20 03:50:04 but most points can come from the day Jul 20 03:50:11 haha Jul 20 03:50:13 its a game Jul 20 03:50:15 i like this idea Jul 20 03:50:17 evil Jul 20 03:50:28 irc games epic Jul 20 03:50:30 yeah.. like a football pool Jul 20 03:50:33 specially uno lol Jul 20 03:50:40 brb Jul 20 03:50:44 screw irc games ;) this would be cooler as an android app Jul 20 03:50:49 because then we can show him teh app on the market Jul 20 03:50:56 "TommyBres Suicide Pool" Jul 20 03:51:00 and push him one step closer Jul 20 03:51:23 automatic win if you provide teh weapon/method for the suicide Jul 20 03:51:49 and no murdering him. it has to be all his doing :) Jul 20 03:55:35 back Jul 20 03:55:45 hahaha Jul 20 03:56:11 Macer> that connects to the internet so people can pick a box in the suicide pool Jul 20 03:56:17 what do you mean by that? Jul 20 03:56:39 Macer Jul 20 03:59:09 damn dude Jul 20 03:59:14 you neve rplayed a pool before? Jul 20 03:59:18 no man Jul 20 03:59:21 :P Jul 20 03:59:34 well.. usually it's for football and you pick boxes on a grid Jul 20 03:59:45 and it goes by points Jul 20 03:59:55 but for this case we can choose days of the week and times Jul 20 04:00:11 and the pot can move to the next week if he doesn't off himself Jul 20 04:00:20 :) Jul 20 04:00:26 ha Jul 20 04:00:29 haha Jul 20 04:00:30 ha Jul 20 04:00:38 like suicidal lottery Jul 20 04:00:38 wow wireless tether for root is a phail Jul 20 04:00:46 k4r1m: really? Jul 20 04:00:48 works great for me Jul 20 04:00:49 it works fine for me Jul 20 04:00:50 doesnt support on screen keyboard Jul 20 04:00:52 wep encrypted and everything Jul 20 04:00:54 lies Jul 20 04:00:57 k4r1m: yes it oe Jul 20 04:00:57 i cant get use it since i have a magic Jul 20 04:00:59 does Jul 20 04:01:03 well Jul 20 04:01:12 i just tried it and it doesnt... Jul 20 04:01:14 jpa couldnt get it working on a magic iether Jul 20 04:01:19 yeah.. jpa was lost on it too Jul 20 04:01:20 heh Jul 20 04:01:23 cuz some kernel crap Jul 20 04:01:30 i wouldn't get a magic just because it doesn't have the qwerty Jul 20 04:01:37 no it works fine its just the stupid keybaord Jul 20 04:01:39 i can't stand on screen keyboards Jul 20 04:01:44 i cant change certain settings Jul 20 04:01:48 rly? Jul 20 04:01:50 k4r1m: you have a bluetooth keyboard? Jul 20 04:01:52 :) Jul 20 04:01:52 i didnt even use mine Jul 20 04:01:58 when setting it up Jul 20 04:02:06 lol Macer Jul 20 04:02:11 well.. i'm jsut saying Jul 20 04:02:17 you can download hidd and use the bt keyboard for a few minutes Jul 20 04:02:21 wow im pissed now Jul 20 04:02:22 just to get the settings in Jul 20 04:02:30 epic phail i have recoook this stupid rom Jul 20 04:02:41 what rom Jul 20 04:02:44 ? Jul 20 04:02:54 or did you make it yourself? Jul 20 04:02:55 :) Jul 20 04:03:02 Macarse: cooking JacHero for rogers magic Jul 20 04:03:16 rogers too huh? Jul 20 04:03:23 rawjizz Jul 20 04:03:28 yeah have no idea why i said cooking though lol Jul 20 04:03:29 i think that's teh same place jpa had the problem Jul 20 04:03:38 canada? Jul 20 04:03:47 yeah ipa has the same phone Jul 20 04:03:57 heh Jul 20 04:04:03 why didn't you just get a G1? Jul 20 04:04:07 i dont tether my self but i thought it would be a good idea maybe Jul 20 04:04:11 Macarse: ram. Jul 20 04:04:20 er Macer* looll Jul 20 04:04:21 how much more does it have? Jul 20 04:04:29 it has 288mb Jul 20 04:04:37 what's the G1? 256? Jul 20 04:04:37 almost a 100mb more Jul 20 04:04:40 wow Jul 20 04:04:42 no 192 Jul 20 04:04:44 G1 is like 192? Jul 20 04:04:48 heh Jul 20 04:04:51 yeah that's quite a bit more Jul 20 04:05:01 for a mobile phone atleast Jul 20 04:05:40 sigh Jul 20 04:05:46 i remember 8MB was a lot for a PC :) Jul 20 04:05:56 lol Jul 20 04:05:59 got to play doom a lightning speeds Jul 20 04:06:06 g1 is 256 Jul 20 04:06:08 i belive Jul 20 04:06:10 hold on Jul 20 04:06:21 oh Jul 20 04:06:22 nm Jul 20 04:06:25 ROM: 256 MB Jul 20 04:06:26 RAM: 192 MB Jul 20 04:06:28 lol Jul 20 04:06:35 i remember a 64mb video card was the like the coolest thing someone could ever had Jul 20 04:06:37 bbiab Jul 20 04:06:42 have to work on starting up this damn web server Jul 20 04:06:44 to see if it works Jul 20 04:06:46 cuz u could play lotr wiht it lol Jul 20 04:06:47 :P Jul 20 04:06:47 and set up the vhosts :( Jul 20 04:06:53 those are easy Jul 20 04:06:55 :P Jul 20 04:06:56 i hope the redirects work Jul 20 04:07:00 never did it in opensolars Jul 20 04:07:09 it's probably going to take me 3hrs just to find httpd.conf Jul 20 04:07:10 i did it on ubuntu yesterday Jul 20 04:07:12 lol Jul 20 04:07:14 haha Jul 20 04:16:46 gr Jul 20 04:16:51 damniit ctrl z Jul 20 04:16:52 heh Jul 20 04:18:10 well Jul 20 04:18:12 it looks pretty easy to set up Jul 20 04:18:28 i seriously need to move my user dirs to the raid Jul 20 04:18:30 :) Jul 20 04:18:38 or at least hte vbox stuff or something Jul 20 04:20:25 heh Jul 20 04:21:05 i'm running out of space on mu rpool Jul 20 04:21:18 actually. i think i need to work on that first once this last 20G is done downloading Jul 20 04:21:21 heh Jul 20 04:21:50 i need to seriously get my fs infrastructure together Jul 20 04:22:06 i have stuff set up a little awkward taht can be easily fixed if i wasn't so damn lazy ;) Jul 20 04:22:32 lols Jul 20 04:23:06 just certain things on my shell box should be moved because it's really starting to screw me up Jul 20 04:23:18 and i definately need to move my home dirs on the fileserver Jul 20 04:23:20 to the raid Jul 20 04:23:32 i think i'll just move it and symlink /export Jul 20 04:23:38 some of us aren't fortunate to own a RAID Jul 20 04:23:47 lol Jul 20 04:23:56 well... i used to use externals.. but they would get full quick Jul 20 04:24:08 and i had one break on me that had a lot of stuff that took forever to get back Jul 20 04:24:14 what do you fill em with? Jul 20 04:24:16 adn i was so damn pissed Jul 20 04:24:18 you can only have so much p0rn Jul 20 04:24:20 lol Jul 20 04:24:25 that i made an 8TB raid5 ;) Jul 20 04:24:54 6.3T 2.5T 3.8T 39% /mnt/archive Jul 20 04:24:58 ... Jul 20 04:25:01 think i need t oget rid of the reserve ;) Jul 20 04:25:03 What do you fill them with?? Jul 20 04:25:04 Macer: plan for backups! Jul 20 04:25:05 lol Jul 20 04:25:19 sparkle__: lol. it's all hot swappable and it emails me if it breaks ;) Jul 20 04:25:30 seriously Jul 20 04:25:30 serio[Band raid doesn't count :p Jul 20 04:25:47 serioband? Jul 20 04:25:54 sorry Jul 20 04:26:04 it's an areca ar1120 Jul 20 04:26:11 with 8x1TB hard drives Jul 20 04:26:19 damn Jul 20 04:26:20 it's a beasst.. i need to move it into a rackmount case to tell you the truth Jul 20 04:26:35 i only have like 20GB's of stuff Jul 20 04:26:36 well... plus it has 2x80G mirrored for the OS ;) Jul 20 04:26:38 200* Jul 20 04:26:54 so 10 hard drives total Jul 20 04:27:01 but the cpus are slow Jul 20 04:27:12 socket 940 running 1.8GHz AMD 265s Jul 20 04:27:31 ... Jul 20 04:27:32 more than good enough for a fileserver though considering the raid card does most of the work with teh hard drives Jul 20 04:27:50 and i stuck 8G of ram in it so it wouldn't have a ram problem :) Jul 20 04:27:57 How bout you send me your shit when its old for you lol Jul 20 04:28:00 had to get ecc ddr2 which was kind of a bitch to find Jul 20 04:28:04 ill even pay shipping XD Jul 20 04:28:06 AakashPatel: haha Jul 20 04:28:15 AakashPatel: if they come out with holographic data storage Jul 20 04:28:21 where i can keep 32TB on 1 disc Jul 20 04:28:25 lol Jul 20 04:28:26 i'll send you my 8TB raid ;) promise Jul 20 04:28:36 i read something about that shit yesterday Jul 20 04:28:43 * AakashPatel notes this convo down Jul 20 04:28:44 it's a real thing? Jul 20 04:28:45 lol Jul 20 04:28:50 lemme look again :P Jul 20 04:28:51 damn Jul 20 04:28:52 hahaha Jul 20 04:29:06 guess it's too lat eto renig Jul 20 04:29:43 renig? Jul 20 04:29:45 lol Jul 20 04:29:50 become black-again Jul 20 04:29:52 hahaha Jul 20 04:30:05 i guess another slurlike word for it would be indian give Jul 20 04:30:06 :) Jul 20 04:30:21 lol Jul 20 04:30:29 i don't know if that is india indian or american indian in origin though Jul 20 04:30:29 lol wtf Jul 20 04:30:31 i know i read this Jul 20 04:30:52 i was joking about not knowing about the holographic data storage.. it has been worked on for some time Jul 20 04:30:58 i know lol Jul 20 04:31:01 but iwanna find it now also Jul 20 04:31:04 probably won't see it in this lifetime though but you never know ;) Jul 20 04:31:07 just check wikipedia Jul 20 04:31:09 i'm sure they have it Jul 20 04:31:27 lol you really think you wont? Jul 20 04:31:30 Macer: a friend of mine played in a garage band called the indian givers :p Jul 20 04:32:18 sparkle__: soon they will be boycotted and shunned by society Jul 20 04:32:26 american indians are so bad for that sort of crap Jul 20 04:32:33 like disney cartoons that have indians in them Jul 20 04:32:37 stuff like that Jul 20 04:32:45 you were conquered... get over it Jul 20 04:32:52 bleh Jul 20 04:32:53 screw it Jul 20 04:32:58 dude... Jul 20 04:33:05 what a gyp. Jul 20 04:33:09 * AakashPatel says it was already out so that he gets Macer raid setup Jul 20 04:33:24 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_storage Jul 20 04:33:27 i know Jul 20 04:33:29 i read that Jul 20 04:33:31 :P Jul 20 04:33:33 lol Jul 20 04:33:40 wheni get one.. i'll send you my raid Jul 20 04:33:41 ;) Jul 20 04:33:47 Macer: i remember that being the next big thing when i was in HS Jul 20 04:33:48 so Jul 20 04:33:51 haha Jul 20 04:33:54 it's like fusion Jul 20 04:33:56 sparkle__: yeah ;) Jul 20 04:33:59 i'll cross my fingers Jul 20 04:34:00 fusion? Jul 20 04:34:00 by then theyll have like 6TB HD's Jul 20 04:34:00 but Jul 20 04:34:03 yeah Jul 20 04:34:04 like cold fusion you mean ;) Jul 20 04:34:09 nah Jul 20 04:34:24 hot fusion has been "20 years" away since the '70s Jul 20 04:34:44 lol Jul 20 04:35:15 hmm Jul 20 04:35:20 i gotta get up at 6 am Jul 20 04:35:22 oh well Jul 20 04:35:50 Macer: you get vpn working on your phone XD Jul 20 04:36:00 6Some have speculated that Nintendo will be the first video game console maker to implement holographic data storage due to the recent uncovering of a Joint Research Agreement between InPhase and Nintendo.[1 Jul 20 04:36:01 lol it took me awhile to find an irc chan for android :) Jul 20 04:36:04 damn nintendo? Jul 20 04:36:08 that's unexpected Jul 20 04:36:11 vaporware haha Jul 20 04:36:13 AakashPatel: i wish Jul 20 04:36:16 there isn't a client Jul 20 04:36:16 : Jul 20 04:36:17 :) Jul 20 04:36:22 really? Jul 20 04:36:24 hold on Jul 20 04:36:28 did you find one? Jul 20 04:36:31 i didn't look too hard Jul 20 04:36:40 i was trying to find a way to use openvpn if i could but there doesn't seem to be one Jul 20 04:36:49 i swear i found one Jul 20 04:36:51 i was on to bigger and better thigns by then haha Jul 20 04:37:05 haha Jul 20 04:37:06 and since i tether my phone for vpn access over the now wep encrypted wireless tethering app Jul 20 04:37:22 i'm waiting for someone to figure ou thow to make it an all out ap Jul 20 04:37:23 lol Jul 20 04:37:37 i could picture someone sticking their phone on a pole in a plastic bag at the top of their apt building Jul 20 04:37:48 Macer: pft. I vpn over ip over avian carrier Jul 20 04:37:56 http://mocana.com/nanophone-android.html Jul 20 04:37:57 HAHAH Jul 20 04:38:07 JesusFreke: please tell me you don't mean the animals :) Jul 20 04:38:08 woah JesusFreke my hero :) Jul 20 04:38:30 lol Jul 20 04:38:30 bow down to him your fool Jul 20 04:38:30 you* Jul 20 04:38:31 RFC 2549 Jul 20 04:38:39 Macer: lewk Jul 20 04:38:42 * nflava bows Jul 20 04:38:44 http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2549.html Jul 20 04:38:52 # A secure browser Jul 20 04:38:54 # Virtual Private Network clients to secure data communications between the device and corporate network Jul 20 04:38:57 nflava: dude, I'm just a guy ;) Jul 20 04:39:10 you do great work Jul 20 04:39:14 thanks :) Jul 20 04:39:19 anytime Jul 20 04:39:19 lol Jul 20 04:39:22 Mocana's Device Security Framework. for Android. is the latest release of our comprehensive developers security solution (aka "NanoPhone") for Google's revolutionary open mobile platform. Jul 20 04:39:34 why does that look like something that will say $460 on the next page Jul 20 04:39:41 "for 1 yr license" Jul 20 04:39:42 lol Jul 20 04:39:43 i felt like that also Jul 20 04:39:45 :) Jul 20 04:39:54 well nice i can learn some shit in here im sure :) Jul 20 04:40:00 if they make you contact them for price Jul 20 04:40:04 its gonna be expensive Jul 20 04:40:05 lol Jul 20 04:40:25 AakashPatel: "if you have to ask, you can't afford it" :) Jul 20 04:40:35 haha Jul 20 04:40:54 or "if you dont know what it is, you cant afford it" Jul 20 04:41:07 i tried to install a hero rom but it didnt work out for me lol, going back to good old jf 1.51adp Jul 20 04:41:23 nflava: you would have to flash the bootloader for hero Jul 20 04:41:31 ...evil stuff Jul 20 04:41:38 yeah, hero on the g1 really isn't for day-to-day use. heh Jul 20 04:41:40 dude Jul 20 04:41:43 that is a framework Jul 20 04:41:45 yeah i have been reading all types of posts this weekend Jul 20 04:41:49 how gay Jul 20 04:41:49 cool to play around with.. but yeah. Jul 20 04:41:50 hahaha Jul 20 04:41:54 Macer: WUT Jul 20 04:41:57 it's not an actual client.. it's a way that you can make a client Jul 20 04:41:57 im about to just give up and wait a little longer haha Jul 20 04:41:58 :) Jul 20 04:42:01 thats shit Jul 20 04:42:06 yeah Jul 20 04:42:17 bob.villah@thisoldhouse.com is gonig to be pissed i used his email address for that Jul 20 04:42:26 lollll Jul 20 04:42:34 and i sure hope they don't call the random chicago based number i put in Jul 20 04:42:39 :) Jul 20 04:42:42 lmao Jul 20 04:42:45 why did you? Jul 20 04:42:52 so i can see if it was a client Jul 20 04:43:04 before i put my info in and get spammed and called over bullshit not worth it Jul 20 04:43:12 ha Jul 20 04:43:15 but that is a no go on the vpn client from that place ;) Jul 20 04:43:19 and the market doesn't have one Jul 20 04:43:44 JesusFreke: i want my transparent menus back in your rom :-P!! Jul 20 04:44:04 WTF Jul 20 04:44:05 you can make it 1.51m (for macer) :-P Jul 20 04:44:14 animal planet..the mice...they're eating each other Jul 20 04:44:17 let me get right on that :p Jul 20 04:44:21 JesusFreke: haha Jul 20 04:44:23 AakashPatel: tasty Jul 20 04:44:45 how does one vpn on linux Jul 20 04:45:03 AakashPatel: didn't they used to torture people by putting mice in a jar on top of someone and then setting the top of the jar on fire so the mice claw through the person? Jul 20 04:45:05 * AakashPatel whips out gewgle Jul 20 04:45:30 Macer: what the... Jul 20 04:45:31 i'm sure any animal would be cannibalistic if they were hungry enough Jul 20 04:45:34 never heard of that one lol Jul 20 04:45:37 yeah Jul 20 04:45:44 it was a form of torture somewhere Jul 20 04:45:57 place the mice in a bucket up-side-down on a person's stomach Jul 20 04:46:01 when i go into ecovery mode and it says- e:cant open /cache/recovery/command - is that bad? Jul 20 04:46:03 and they will burrow out through the person Jul 20 04:46:37 lollll Jul 20 04:46:40 and in recovery if i hit alt-x nothing happens Jul 20 04:46:41 sweet Jul 20 04:46:50 Macer: video or it never happened! Jul 20 04:46:52 haha Jul 20 04:47:03 wtf magicjack Jul 20 04:47:10 19.95 a year! Jul 20 04:47:16 # NOTE! If you intend to place this on an NFS (or otherwise network) Jul 20 04:47:16 # mounted filesystem then please read the LockFile documentation Jul 20 04:47:17 # (available at Jul 20 04:47:29 hahaha Jul 20 04:47:32 thank god opensolaris took the time to put that in their httpd.conf-example Jul 20 04:47:38 hahaha Jul 20 04:47:40 really? Jul 20 04:47:42 yeah Jul 20 04:47:46 hahahhaha Jul 20 04:47:49 thats hilarious Jul 20 04:47:51 :) not sure if it was actually opensolaris or apache Jul 20 04:48:15 lol Jul 20 04:48:15 AakashPatel: skype is $3/month Jul 20 04:48:23 and doesn't suck Jul 20 04:48:25 haha Jul 20 04:48:27 lol is that in the httpd.conf? Jul 20 04:48:30 Macer: psshh Jul 20 04:48:33 i got meh fonez Jul 20 04:48:35 AakashPatel: yeah. it is Jul 20 04:48:44 * AakashPatel looks at his ubuntu servers Jul 20 04:48:44 lol. i have skype phoens all over the place Jul 20 04:49:11 with the GE base so they are like actual cordless phones Jul 20 04:49:22 errr Jul 20 04:49:22 and i also have a standalone wifi one for those "just in case" moments :) Jul 20 04:49:23 brb Jul 20 04:49:25 wrong network lol Jul 20 04:49:32 oh Jul 20 04:49:34 vpn ftw Jul 20 04:49:36 lol Jul 20 04:49:59 :D Jul 20 04:50:03 i'm suprised it works as well as it does using ddwrt Jul 20 04:50:10 i expected this long and dragged out process Jul 20 04:50:14 wait! Jul 20 04:50:19 i just solved my problem! Jul 20 04:50:23 !! Jul 20 04:50:29 what problem? Jul 20 04:50:33 connect to the public network, and VPN into my private one Jul 20 04:50:37 of getting a vpn client on a phone? Jul 20 04:50:48 lol Jul 20 04:50:50 lol nah Jul 20 04:50:58 talk about a captain mensa moment Jul 20 04:51:04 i couldnt access the ip's of my network shit on my other network Jul 20 04:51:15 lol Jul 20 04:51:17 you know what Jul 20 04:51:27 you could have just made a virtual interface with the other subnet ip Jul 20 04:51:33 haha Jul 20 04:51:38 or alias if you're using linux Jul 20 04:51:42 :/ Jul 20 04:51:42 or osx even Jul 20 04:51:45 psshh Jul 20 04:51:46 screw that Jul 20 04:51:49 vpn is cooler Jul 20 04:51:50 ;) Jul 20 04:51:52 HAHA Jul 20 04:51:56 ok.. good luck :) Jul 20 04:52:00 lol Jul 20 04:52:03 i will tomorrow bitch Jul 20 04:52:04 * Macer is gonig to sit here and wait until you wind up with gateway issues Jul 20 04:52:09 haha Jul 20 04:52:19 hello, i started using google voice on my android, is there a way to detect if a call is coming through google voice or direct? Jul 20 04:52:27 uh yea Jul 20 04:52:30 err wait Jul 20 04:52:32 :/ Jul 20 04:52:39 idk on the google voice app Jul 20 04:52:41 is there a google voice android app? Jul 20 04:52:42 heh Jul 20 04:52:46 yea Jul 20 04:52:49 released a few days ago Jul 20 04:52:50 people were selling them on ebay Jul 20 04:52:56 invites to google voice :-D Jul 20 04:52:58 wtf? Jul 20 04:53:16 haha Jul 20 04:53:16 what made it so bad.. was that there were people buying them up like candy Jul 20 04:53:17 yea Jul 20 04:53:25 lol Jul 20 04:53:31 like it was the greatest thing on earth to have Jul 20 04:53:31 :O Jul 20 04:53:35 its not on ubuntu's apache2.conf Jul 20 04:53:42 the nfs stuff? :) Jul 20 04:53:48 yea lol Jul 20 04:53:49 Macer, not very much interesting actually, low voice quality but cheap calls to anywhere Jul 20 04:53:52 opensolaris ftw ;) Jul 20 04:53:59 MrKeuner: so a google skype? Jul 20 04:54:04 yeah Jul 20 04:54:07 MrKeuner: but.. if the app allows real voip Jul 20 04:54:09 over the phone Jul 20 04:54:16 Macer, it does not Jul 20 04:54:16 using the data connection.. it's definately worth it Jul 20 04:54:18 oh Jul 20 04:54:23 then nm :) it sucks Jul 20 04:54:25 Macer, it calls a cnumber Jul 20 04:54:27 does it do the call forwarding? Jul 20 04:54:29 okay Jul 20 04:54:29 yeah Jul 20 04:54:30 im out doobies Jul 20 04:54:32 peace Jul 20 04:54:34 skype does the same thing Jul 20 04:54:40 with their skype beta crap Jul 20 04:54:43 what a total let down that was Jul 20 04:54:48 it won't even use the wifi for true voip Jul 20 04:54:57 which i thought was complete crap Jul 20 04:55:09 Macer, it is Jul 20 04:55:11 so i just tether my wifi skype phone Jul 20 04:55:14 to my g1 ;) Jul 20 04:55:25 haha Jul 20 04:55:31 bet they never saw that one comming Jul 20 04:56:06 i guess it is a carrier thing Jul 20 04:56:17 they want you to use up your minutes and voip over their unlimited data networks don't let you do that Jul 20 04:56:31 well.. 5GB-10GB/month data plans Jul 20 04:56:49 but who needs more than 10GB for voip calls? :) the president and his entire staff maybe? Jul 20 04:57:14 but the lack of wifi support on the g1.. that was so discouraging.. symbian phones get fring Jul 20 04:57:23 which does the true voip with skype ;) figure that one out Jul 20 05:03:56 if im trying to use Apps2Sd, but it's asking me to partition my SD Card first, what partition tool should I use? Jul 20 05:04:25 the one included in Apps2sd doesnt work.. just keeps asking me to choose sizes of partitions, then acts like it's doing the work for me, asks me to reboot - then nothing's changed Jul 20 05:06:08 jpa: do you have adb working>? Jul 20 05:06:45 yeah Jul 20 05:07:44 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=534714 follow that if you have adb working Jul 20 05:08:00 if you dont want swap then dont add the partition Jul 20 05:08:09 what do you mean by swap? Jul 20 05:08:26 just dont make the last partition Jul 20 05:09:37 Apps2Sd is basically so that you can install apps in your SD and run them directly off of a particular partition, correct? Jul 20 05:09:53 nods Jul 20 05:11:00 anyone have any thoughts on the steel browser Jul 20 05:11:01 k that tutorial is a "jpa will screw something up trying this" tutorial Jul 20 05:11:16 there's not just a tool with a slider bar to choose size of partition Jul 20 05:11:22 and an "okay" button to start partition? Jul 20 05:11:26 yeah but its buggy Jul 20 05:11:36 it didnt work on mine Jul 20 05:11:52 me + these instructions Jul 20 05:11:56 = more buggy than a partitioning tool Jul 20 05:11:59 :p Jul 20 05:12:16 then maybe you should get a winmo phone Jul 20 05:13:06 ewww Jul 20 05:13:58 I've never bothered with Apps2SD Jul 20 05:14:19 jpa: for android? probably not Jul 20 05:14:33 ive used like 200mb of the available 295mb internal memory Jul 20 05:14:43 though a kni frontend for libparted could work, though I believe it's gpl Jul 20 05:14:47 I don't need that many apps installed at once that I'd actually blow my ~250MB of space free Jul 20 05:14:47 jni Jul 20 05:14:57 took me 5 minutes to partion my sd with that tut. Jul 20 05:15:08 I've used 140MB of 295MB apparently Jul 20 05:15:17 you're also probably used to using command lines and doing higher-end user stuff Jul 20 05:15:18 i'm not Jul 20 05:15:38 no I copied and pasted those into my adb term Jul 20 05:15:57 all the bold from that tut is what you put in Jul 20 05:17:01 do you have the same size sdcard as the person in the tutorial? Jul 20 05:17:12 I have an 8gb yes Jul 20 05:17:35 i have a 2gb Jul 20 05:17:42 so good thing i didn't mindless copy/paste tutorial instructions Jul 20 05:17:45 the stock one Jul 20 05:17:46 *mindlessly Jul 20 05:18:06 the stock non class 6 and you wanna run apps2sd Jul 20 05:18:17 hope you like slowness Jul 20 05:18:19 jpa: what program does it use? Jul 20 05:18:41 parted Jul 20 05:18:44 command line though Jul 20 05:18:49 okay Jul 20 05:18:58 we can work through it if you want Jul 20 05:19:10 linux right? Jul 20 05:19:21 no Jul 20 05:19:21 win xp Jul 20 05:19:45 tmzt, I gave her this tut to follow http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=534714 Jul 20 05:20:39 hahaha her Jul 20 05:20:42 jerk Jul 20 05:21:19 oh, Them him she, it, we. Pick one Jul 20 05:22:31 grab a gparted boot cd or ubuntu live cd and use that rather than command line if you're having probs Jul 20 05:22:58 i have ubuntu 8.04 dual-booted on my laptop Jul 20 05:23:05 i just don't think it came with gparted Jul 20 05:23:12 and i have no internet connection when i boot into ubuntu Jul 20 05:23:25 lol.. so can't apt get it either then Jul 20 05:23:33 exactly Jul 20 05:23:37 * wickednix waves and walks off to his corner Jul 20 05:23:41 same reason i can't install android sdk Jul 20 05:23:52 need to apt-get the java libs Jul 20 05:24:10 so install a newer ubuntu - maybe it'll detect your network card better Jul 20 05:24:17 9.04 is current I think Jul 20 05:25:27 hrmm Jul 20 05:25:41 if i download and burn 9.04.. then boot into 8.04 that i already have installed... Jul 20 05:25:49 running the cd, i can just update from there, right? Jul 20 05:26:04 oh ps, it's not a matter of 8.04 detecting the network card Jul 20 05:26:10 it's a matter of tethering in ubuntu Jul 20 05:26:13 ie: need to install android SDK first Jul 20 05:26:30 install it manually? Jul 20 05:26:53 way above by head in ubuntu Jul 20 05:27:35 blah Jul 20 05:27:38 still waiting on my vaporbook Jul 20 05:28:19 http://woot.com/ Jul 20 05:28:29 jpa: shouldnt be too hard Jul 20 05:28:43 Jjpa: if you can find a wink wink back up copy of Paragon Partition Manage Jul 20 05:28:50 that can make your partitions Jul 20 05:29:28 wow, a digital etch a sketch :P Jul 20 05:32:36 any good rts games for the android? Jul 20 05:33:22 <_Auron_> I think tower defense games are the closest you'll get for an RTS game Jul 20 05:33:36 Archipelago is apparently an RTS.. not tried it tho Jul 20 05:33:48 Tower Defence is fun tho Jul 20 05:33:52 <_Auron_> eh Jul 20 05:34:03 <_Auron_> though once I publicly release my game engine perhaps better games will come out. Jul 20 05:34:35 what? Jul 20 05:34:51 Paragon Partition Manager v10.0 Server? Jul 20 05:34:57 wickednix Jul 20 05:34:57 ? Jul 20 05:35:06 no the game engine Jul 20 05:35:14 is there a regular client? Jul 20 05:35:24 jpa: just grab the gparted boot cd Jul 20 05:35:26 look for version 9 Jul 20 05:35:28 not for paragon Jul 20 05:35:37 <_Auron_> AgentBlair: moreof a rendering engine that's easy to use, but yeah Jul 20 05:35:50 k Jul 20 05:35:52 <_Auron_> geared toward 2D though, although adjusting for 3D models wouldn't be too hard Jul 20 05:35:54 jpa: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php Jul 20 05:36:21 I tried ScummVM for android last night and played Day of the Tentacle on it.. fricken awesome btw Jul 20 05:36:43 Radix_: im an idiot with linux.. ill definiltey screw up my sdcard playing with that Jul 20 05:36:50 it's a gui Jul 20 05:36:53 it's easy Jul 20 05:37:06 cool Jul 20 05:37:17 if i use that, will i still keep everything that's on the sdcard already? Jul 20 05:37:38 should do, though I make no promises for user error ;) Jul 20 05:37:52 lol, nope any partition manager is gonna wipe your data Jul 20 05:38:04 meh ill just back it up Jul 20 05:38:16 wickednix: gparted supports shrinking of fat32/ntfs partitions tho Jul 20 05:38:26 ive used that before Jul 20 05:38:46 long as there's space for it to shrink it, then you should be fine Jul 20 05:39:13 Radix: we are talking about jpa though Jul 20 05:39:20 heh Jul 20 05:39:27 im just going to boot into ubuntu 8.04 and see if gparted was included Jul 20 05:39:30 i doubt it but meh Jul 20 05:39:30 hence why I said, no guarantees against user error. Jul 20 05:40:33 gparted live iso is about 100MB to download Jul 20 05:40:57 No offense, but jpa = danger Jul 20 05:49:20 Hahaha "gnome partition editor cannot be installed on your computer type (i386). either the application requires special hardware features or the vendor decided to not support your computer type." error msg Jul 20 05:49:48 yo Jul 20 05:49:54 none of the audio hacks work for me Jul 20 05:50:08 i'm on JAC's latest hero Jul 20 05:50:19 jpa: that with ubuntu? Jul 20 05:50:24 is it because the files are already edited so thats why i dont hear the difference? Jul 20 05:50:30 jpa: try the boot cd as I said Jul 20 05:52:14 if gparted won't work on my computer type... is the live cd really going to help? Jul 20 05:53:47 that's just your ubuntu setup that is broke Jul 20 05:55:21 Anyways.. I give up - I won't suggest anything anymore Jul 20 05:56:00 when i ask questions like that, im not challenging Jul 20 05:56:01 im trying to clarify, for understanding Jul 20 05:56:54 cuz im retarded Jul 20 05:57:57 * wickednix slides radix a beer Jul 20 05:57:59 and im intimidated by linux Jul 20 05:58:46 you only learn by trial and error Jul 20 06:01:26 i know.. but apparently i haven't learned because any attempts ive had in the past, i've tried and errored. Jul 20 06:01:27 :P Jul 20 06:02:31 jpa--: i can't tell if your being sarcastic. your intimited by Linux ? Jul 20 06:03:14 snuggles compcache Jul 20 06:03:26 wtf. has it been this long? Jul 20 06:03:36 what keys are used to take pics in xp? isn't it like alt prtscreen? Jul 20 06:04:30 wickednix: i didn't know what compcache was till i saw you mention it. Just googled for it, thats a really good idea Jul 20 06:04:54 wickednix: i have a very fast processor, but not heaps of ram. Jul 20 06:05:05 omg you have to paste it in paint? how gay haha Jul 20 06:05:55 there is a thread on xda-developer how to getting it running on the g1 Jul 20 06:06:01 I jut did it Jul 20 06:06:24 just* Jul 20 06:06:25 oh right. wonder if it works on the magic Jul 20 06:07:50 amason: you can try this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537236 see if it works Jul 20 06:46:29 <_Auron_> BWAHAHAHA Jul 20 06:46:40 <_Auron_> my sister is watching Weeds and pointed out that the phone that was ringing was an Anroid phone Jul 20 06:46:52 <_Auron_> on the show Jul 20 06:58:26 yeah.. Eric had one on True Blood too Jul 20 07:06:28 were they running a JF build? :D Jul 20 07:06:54 what is the stock capacity of the G1's battery? 1200mah? Jul 20 07:07:04 1250 I think. maybe 1350? Jul 20 07:07:14 1050 Jul 20 07:07:24 <_Auron_> XD Jul 20 07:07:26 nah, it's not 1050 Jul 20 07:07:43 1150# Jul 20 07:07:47 maybe Jul 20 07:07:50 I just tool a look Jul 20 07:07:53 it's sure Jul 20 07:07:57 k :) Jul 20 07:08:01 The phone drains it like crazy Jul 20 07:08:04 I need an upgrade Jul 20 07:08:18 I disabled 3g and gps and any background apps Jul 20 07:08:20 and it still drains Jul 20 07:08:27 put the backlight to 30% Jul 20 07:08:28 drains Jul 20 07:08:31 Mine lasts for 3-4 days Jul 20 07:08:47 <_Auron_> Spyrorocks: get Wisync Jul 20 07:08:49 Spyrorocks: so does mine. I have an HTC touch Jul 20 07:09:05 <_Auron_> it goes down 1% every 1 1/2 hours if I don't have anything going on Jul 20 07:09:25 strange Jul 20 07:09:41 Im not too keen on adding a bunch of size to my phone for the 2200mah battery Jul 20 07:10:10 I think you can get up to a 1650ish, with the same back cover Jul 20 07:10:17 http://www.fommy.com/view-full-page.asp?divid=HTC&model=HTC+Dream&skuno=81931 Jul 20 07:10:19 yep Jul 20 07:10:47 cant find the 1600mah on ebay though Jul 20 07:11:14 I think 1600mah should at least let me use it through the day Jul 20 07:11:20 it died at about 7pm Jul 20 07:11:35 mine lasts a day easily Jul 20 07:12:16 do you have the stock battery? Jul 20 07:12:19 yea Jul 20 07:12:23 im still running the stock fw, but i cant go more than a day with any non-trivial intertube use Jul 20 07:12:50 <_Auron_> I keep my retractable USB cable and AC usb adapter with me at all times Jul 20 07:12:51 if i do more than check my mail two or three times, i need to recharge Jul 20 07:13:13 I have gmail syncing in the background all the time Jul 20 07:13:18 and would prefer to keep my 3G on Jul 20 07:13:27 yeah, i dont even use 3g or gps Jul 20 07:13:31 because I didn't buy this phone just to disable features for battery life. Jul 20 07:13:38 y Jul 20 07:13:44 oops Jul 20 07:13:48 didnt mean to push enter Jul 20 07:13:50 ignore the "y" Jul 20 07:14:06 i find it annoying that theres no simple way to enable those features Jul 20 07:14:13 i have to go into settings etc Jul 20 07:14:13 my default ROM gives me the option to use 2G only networks or 3g only networks. Is it possible for it to use 3g when possible and 2g when its not possible to use a 3g ? Jul 20 07:14:25 or use 3g if 2g is unavailable ? Jul 20 07:14:41 or is it all the same ? Jul 20 07:14:51 except for the method of packetswitching ? Jul 20 07:14:57 I think it does that automatically Jul 20 07:15:12 I know my G1 goes to Edge around my house Jul 20 07:15:16 but goes 3g when I go into town Jul 20 07:15:32 edge btw is absolute crap... so slow to try to download music Jul 20 07:15:33 <_Auron_> yeah.. Eric had one on True Blood too <-- I told my sister that and she went O.O "I need to watch ... over and over... over and over.... and over and over again. That is beyond cool" Jul 20 07:15:35 reminds me of dialup Jul 20 07:16:29 <_Auron_> edge is faster than dialup Jul 20 07:16:47 <_Auron_> I normally use edge actually, because most things I don't need 3G speed for Jul 20 07:17:08 Ive been on dialup practially my whole life, up to a few months ago when I finally got broadband Jul 20 07:17:11 if i have 3g turned on i have problems with dropped calls Jul 20 07:17:21 <_Auron_> that Jul 20 07:17:21 edge is less latent i think ? Jul 20 07:17:24 <_Auron_> that's odd* Jul 20 07:17:29 or is it the other way around Jul 20 07:21:39 I read some reviews and it looks like the 1600mah battery is a fake that isnt any better than the stock one\ Jul 20 07:32:52 how do u extract img files? Jul 20 07:34:07 k4r1m: mount them on the loopback device ? Jul 20 07:36:36 amason_: hm what? i wanna play with the boot.img from different rooms Jul 20 07:36:39 roms* Jul 20 07:37:46 k4r1m: i haven't looked too much into the android stuff, is the img the kernel or the initrd or the actual root FS ? Jul 20 07:39:37 hi there Jul 20 07:40:05 My Stats on developer console didn't move for now 3 days am I the only one? Jul 20 07:42:52 is the HTC DC U300 cable the right one to use with the g1 Jul 20 07:42:55 ? Jul 20 07:43:24 k4r1m: you can find scripts to extract and repack on xda Jul 20 07:55:11 Phlogi: i have been searching but no luck Jul 20 07:58:13 i just received a security update on my G1 and when i booted and opened up TasKiller (GPS icon being on made me curios), it showed like 15 apps open?!? anybody know what's up? Jul 20 07:58:30 and when i closed them all, some started turning back on Jul 20 08:05:42 ok i have this String x=new String("xxxx"); Jul 20 08:05:54 now i want to free the object aka delete it Jul 20 08:06:01 if i will do x=null; will it do the job Jul 20 08:06:41 yes, if there are no other references to the object Jul 20 08:09:14 how can i check if there is an ref ? Jul 20 08:09:36 is there some global function that take object and say the ref count Jul 20 08:11:43 hm Jul 20 08:11:45 what country is cn? Jul 20 08:11:46 china? Jul 20 08:11:50 yip Jul 20 08:11:56 they are spamming replica watches :) Jul 20 08:12:03 like it's a new concept in china Jul 20 08:12:04 haha Jul 20 08:12:27 can i use any usb cable with my g1 Jul 20 08:12:42 for data transfers that is Jul 20 08:13:28 "your wang will reach ceiling" Jul 20 08:13:33 Haraken: try Jul 20 08:13:36 haha Jul 20 08:13:38 Haraken: yes Jul 20 08:14:09 what am i supposed to see at 1:0? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVEBgESH4Ew Jul 20 08:14:42 the extra pins in the HTC one are just used for headsets right? Jul 20 08:15:01 xbxice: take a look a this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/580984/how-do-you-get-the-object-reference-of-an-object-in-java-when-tostring-and-ha Jul 20 08:15:57 anyone see what am not seeing Jul 20 08:16:19 anyone on Jul 20 08:25:39 hey wow guess it does work Jul 20 08:25:50 thanks ;) Jul 20 08:26:23 got this new core i7 and it converted a 233mb avi in about 2mins Jul 20 08:27:01 for the g1 of course Jul 20 08:27:45 <_Auron_> damn Jul 20 08:38:17 My Stats on developer console didn't move for now 3 days am I the only one? Jul 20 08:38:42 I can see user are downloading my apps but stats are not moving !! Jul 20 09:02:53 o_o Jul 20 09:03:46 what the funk was that buster? Jul 20 09:04:41 wall Jul 20 09:04:59 floyd? Jul 20 09:08:45 whats the best way to get revenge on lousy roommates Jul 20 09:10:39 <_Auron_> oh christfuck Jul 20 09:10:44 olol Jul 20 09:10:50 <_Auron_> there is where I unforgivenly hate java Jul 20 09:11:00 <_Auron_> this is* Jul 20 09:11:15 <_Auron_> the inability to have static variables in nested classes Jul 20 09:11:18 <_Auron_> is utter bullshit Jul 20 09:18:32 <_Auron_> hm Jul 20 09:28:22 hey i can talk here Jul 20 10:01:14 does the AlarmManager only work for the last application that sends out intents? will the previosly set alarms be cancelled? Jul 20 10:10:15 hi, I have a question regarding flashing a ROM to my new G1 Jul 20 10:11:06 can I directly flash a custom ROM, through the original recovery menu and will I get root? Jul 20 10:11:28 or do I have to downgrade to RC29 first, get root then flash a custom ROM? Jul 20 10:11:44 rocketsbay: you have to downgrade. Jul 20 10:12:03 Downgrade to rc29, to flash custom recovery that allows custom roms Jul 20 10:12:37 ok, if my phone is already running cupcake, is the method to downgrade the same as if i was running RC33? Jul 20 10:12:40 yes Jul 20 10:13:02 great, thanks a lot! Jul 20 10:13:07 Indeed it is :) Jul 20 10:13:27 you saved me a brick today ;) Jul 20 10:14:21 You couldnt of bricked by not downgrading :P Jul 20 10:15:25 ah ok, anyway I will downgrade now, thanks Jul 20 10:16:33 <_Andrew> Is it possible to get root on a 1.5 dev g1 ? Jul 20 10:18:36 no such thing Jul 20 10:19:47 also you should have it already Jul 20 10:24:14 <_Andrew> Neverender: I've just got the G1, I can't really find any information about it Jul 20 10:24:29 <|Fate|> hey all, can someone help me with compilation from git... i keep getting "libreadline.so: undefined reference to `PC'" Jul 20 10:24:42 <_Andrew> Can't seem to execute commands using the ssh terminal on the phone though Jul 20 10:29:51 .wub 4 Jul 20 10:37:23 * apic lost the E-Prime game. Jul 20 11:11:54 Для лучшей стороны! Jul 20 11:12:19 gadzooks Jul 20 11:12:25 ей сторшейя лучш Jul 20 11:24:00 any opinions on whether using the text to speach library will disqualify form ADC2? Jul 20 11:24:44 <_Auron_> ADC2 just requires that it be built with the SDK, and run on android 1.5 Jul 20 11:27:35 i thought the current TTS was built by google though, could be wrong Jul 20 11:27:58 which seems like it might constitute being developed with help by google Jul 20 11:28:02 which violates an adc2 rule Jul 20 11:35:07 Finally, any Entry for which the Participant received substantial development help from Google or any Open Handset Alliance member is ineligible Jul 20 11:36:46 so using any open source library created by any google or OHA staff will make your app ineligible? Jul 20 11:37:41 i don't think that would count as 'development help', does it? Jul 20 11:38:32 <_Auron_> questionable./ Jul 20 11:38:52 so, ya, just popped a tmo sim in the other phone... no worky. think the sim slot is hosed . Jul 20 11:39:28 like what if i wanna build something on top of the browser Jul 20 11:39:46 wonder what busted g1 goes for on ebay... Jul 20 11:42:31 oh cool, i can part it and make up my money Jul 20 11:46:21 how come the ADC2 is not open to resident of quebec??? Jul 20 11:46:45 Cuba, Iran Syria, NK, Sudan and Myanmar I understand ... but Quebec?? Jul 20 11:46:54 <_Auron_> probably some law issue Jul 20 11:48:20 probably .. but still weird Jul 20 11:48:30 <_Auron_> sammyF: by the way, Stroids will be out in 2 weeks Jul 20 11:48:40 <_Auron_> I'm finishing up the menu right now Jul 20 11:48:52 _Auron_: nice :) Jul 20 11:49:05 _Auron_: gave up on my openGL ES game Jul 20 11:49:15 just too many issues with FPS Jul 20 11:49:26 <_Auron_> .. you haven't seen my vids have you? Jul 20 11:49:31 nope Jul 20 11:49:37 <_Auron_> :O Jul 20 11:49:38 <_Auron_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkEfztqx8Is Jul 20 11:56:13 _Auron_: looks very nice. and yes, dynamic objects with openGL is just not really possible :/ Jul 20 11:56:21 which is why I had to give up my game Jul 20 11:56:36 <_Auron_> :| Jul 20 11:57:38 definitely do the achievements if you can. I did some for CIrcuits and it was worth the effort (not financially of course, but int erms of "polish" it gave the finished game) Jul 20 11:58:04 Steroids! Jul 20 11:58:18 add some easter eggs Jul 20 11:58:54 <_Auron_> sammyF: I'm coding in the menu that shows Achievements right now, and already put in the variables for the achievements. Jul 20 11:59:17 <_Auron_> I also have a menu that displays game stats, like number of bullets fired and number of deaths Jul 20 11:59:28 _Auron_: nice :) Jul 20 11:59:42 <_Auron_> so yes, I'm definitely giving it some extra polish Jul 20 11:59:53 auron: for adc2? Jul 20 11:59:57 <_Auron_> yep Jul 20 12:00:01 cool Jul 20 12:00:07 i shelved my initial app Jul 20 12:00:12 _Auron_: btw. I'll be in puzzle/brain thingy Jul 20 12:00:15 didnt think i could polish it in time to make it a winner :( Jul 20 12:00:20 <_Auron_> sammyF: cool Jul 20 12:00:34 <_Auron_> I'm completely aiming for 1st place in the arcade/action category Jul 20 12:00:38 _Auron_: at least I won't have too much trouible with frame rate ;) Jul 20 12:01:12 _Auron_: heh .. of coruse .. now taht I got out of it :P Jul 20 12:01:25 already got a multiplatform proof of concept for this app :) Jul 20 12:01:37 _Auron_: but it seriously looks very nice :) Jul 20 12:01:52 <_Auron_> sammyF: I even have a string renderer incorporated :P Text.draw("String", X, Y[, Scale[[, R, G, B]]]); Jul 20 12:02:13 <_Auron_> Scale and RGB being optional parameters Jul 20 12:02:36 im shooting for Jul 20 12:02:36 Productivity/Tools Jul 20 12:03:18 my old app was gonna be a badass notepad app Jul 20 12:03:32 that integrated with contacts/call log and had online backups Jul 20 12:04:54 <_Auron_> cool Jul 20 12:06:06 _Auron_: nice :) Jul 20 12:06:50 that does look nice Jul 20 12:07:24 i wanna see pics Jul 20 12:07:48 <_Auron_> I pretty much only have video Jul 20 12:07:58 <_Auron_> pics wouldn't do it justice anyhow Jul 20 12:08:08 hii :) Jul 20 12:08:08 sounds like porn Jul 20 12:08:10 is a the android api as close to the hardware as they can make it for opengl stuff? Jul 20 12:08:11 are you making a porn game Jul 20 12:08:15 <_Auron_> ... Jul 20 12:08:18 :P Jul 20 12:08:25 _Auron_: I'm reading the ADC2 conditions. the first round is going to be tough, considering the users on the market Jul 20 12:08:40 <_Auron_> sammyF: I know, but the apps will be randomly downloaded Jul 20 12:09:17 <_Auron_> The fun part is starting august 1st, I can put Stroids on the android market before I put in my entry by the 31st Jul 20 12:09:24 _Auron_: ah .. just got to that part. okay. THAT is nice Jul 20 12:09:48 auron: yeah thats gonna be helpful Jul 20 12:09:54 get the bugs out before a full release Jul 20 12:10:07 <_Auron_> and exposure to the public too Jul 20 12:10:27 <_Auron_> I honestly think Stroids could be featured Jul 20 12:10:46 <_Auron_> it goes well beyond 90% of the games on the market Jul 20 12:11:47 thats hot Jul 20 12:12:00 auron is gonna bring sexy back Jul 20 12:13:06 <_Auron_> blau-mikeDG: and publicly release my game engine in a few months Jul 20 12:13:20 blau-mikeDG: contrary to popular belief, putting stuff on the market generally just induces "Cr4sh3s" comments but no good feedback helping to resolve the issues ;) Jul 20 12:13:43 lol Jul 20 12:14:16 <_Auron_> sammyF: did you ever encounter a weird bug where running your game would, at random, have a framerate cap? Jul 20 12:15:40 _Auron_: no. I just have so many polygons to draw that sending the vertex, colour and index buffers bring the fps below 10fps at times. Jul 20 12:16:00 <_Auron_> hmm. O_o Jul 20 12:16:23 <_Auron_> well somehow (I don't know if having HTC ADP 1.5 on my phone has anything to do with it) I randomly get a 48FPS cap Jul 20 12:16:56 _Auron_: and in the end, I had overoptimized my code and just gave up. It had become too unwieldly to read Jul 20 12:16:58 <_Auron_> from when the program is run. if I re-run I have a random chance of getting the cap or not Jul 20 12:17:05 <_Auron_> sammyF: heh :/ Jul 20 12:20:48 _Auron_: want to see how it looked in the end? Jul 20 12:20:58 <_Auron_> sure Jul 20 12:21:14 _Auron_: pm me your email address please :) Jul 20 12:28:49 wtf Jul 20 12:34:21 Is this channel for hacking android run phones aswell? Jul 20 12:34:46 yes Jul 20 12:35:26 I work in the forensics field and im trying to find out of theres a way to forensicly find information stored on android run phones. Jul 20 12:36:17 What type of information would you be looking for? Jul 20 12:36:55 phone books, text messages, call logs. things of this nature. Jul 20 12:37:51 what do you mean by forensically? Jul 20 12:37:56 are you FBI? Jul 20 12:37:58 CSI? Jul 20 12:38:01 lol Jul 20 12:38:04 CBI? Jul 20 12:38:09 AN AL? Jul 20 12:38:16 [14:35] ��� channels : #android #remote-exploit #firefox #bittorrent #security-shell Jul 20 12:38:20 GammaX: best way is to physically look at the phone. Jul 20 12:38:21 lol I just work in forensics. Jul 20 12:38:22 should tell you enough Jul 20 12:38:36 physically its quite easy Jul 20 12:38:46 and undetectable Jul 20 12:39:18 afaik theres no remote way to do it without the user being very stupid/naive Jul 20 12:39:25 no no, not remote. Jul 20 12:39:54 If you're talking about information which is cleared off the phone eg call log, there is no hidden log file for this.. (Correct me if im wrong) Jul 20 12:40:15 does anyone know what this tmobile update was from last night? Jul 20 12:40:26 DammitJim: securityfix Jul 20 12:40:33 DammitJim:, i believe the talk is secruity fix Jul 20 12:40:40 ty, t4c so, nothing really new in terms of features, right? Jul 20 12:40:49 nope Jul 20 12:40:51 just a fix Jul 20 12:40:51 But noone knows what its fixing - i think google found the hole before anyone else. Jul 20 12:41:01 nperry: the only way for that id guess would be to power down the phone, and use whatever existing methods work for recovery of deleted files Jul 20 12:41:03 hhhmmmm Jul 20 12:41:08 DammitJim: You wont see anything new untill donut Jul 20 12:41:24 nperry, is that on the works? Jul 20 12:41:35 Indeed it is :) Jul 20 12:41:45 very nice :) Jul 20 12:41:53 Not sure if much is changed in donut as of yet. Jul 20 12:42:03 nperry, it would be info on the phone until battery is taken out correct? Jul 20 12:43:33 Information will be on there untill its cleared.. If the phone is switched off the logfile still exists Jul 20 12:43:35 call log can be cleared manually Jul 20 12:44:00 nperry, where is that informaton stored at? Jul 20 12:44:01 we have no information on how to recover information from an android device that has been purposefully wiped or reset Jul 20 12:44:25 if it has not been pruposefully wiped or reset much of the data can be copied off the device to a memory card Jul 20 12:44:28 Im not looking for if it has been wiped. Jul 20 12:44:30 and then examined offline Jul 20 12:45:06 if you download the android software development kit, and setup the adb program on a computer, you can copy files off the device Jul 20 12:45:15 most of the data is in sqlite databases Jul 20 12:45:23 in /data/data/ Jul 20 12:45:27 is it encrypted? Jul 20 12:45:32 nope Jul 20 12:45:33 GammaX: Are you wanting to see it on the phone or actually want the file on where its logged Jul 20 12:45:40 As its probably logged in sqlite Jul 20 12:45:49 very cool. Jul 20 12:46:31 is there a way to bypass the code into the phone if its locked? if you dont feel comfortbale talking about that I understand. Jul 20 12:47:10 Not with performing a wipe on the phone and loosing the data :) Jul 20 12:47:22 hmmm Jul 20 12:48:08 hmm Jul 20 12:48:18 without you mean? Jul 20 12:49:22 what about making the phone act as a usb storage device? is it possible to access the phone this way without a pin? Jul 20 12:49:46 Yes Jul 20 12:50:09 You wouldn't be able to view the files like you would normal Jul 20 12:50:28 You'd have to go through adb and pull all the required files Jul 20 12:50:31 Not if the phone is locked, it normally asks you whether you want to mount the SDcard via USB. Jul 20 12:50:48 hey... anyone know exactly what is included in the latest OTA update? Jul 20 12:50:58 Secruity fix. Jul 20 12:50:58 Yeah, if you can access ADB, you can access the SDcard... (USB storage is only the SDcard, not the system files) Jul 20 12:51:01 it says a security update and is only like 885kb Jul 20 12:51:19 I would expect a security fix to be small. Jul 20 12:51:30 nperry - just want to verify nobody is saying anything NOTICEABLE and everything is just background stuff? Jul 20 12:51:41 so there is no way of getting into a locked phones file system without having the pin. correct? Jul 20 12:51:58 GammaX, you can get into if ADB is enabled (depends on the ROM on the phone). Jul 20 12:52:13 But can a normal user get into it without developer knowledge, no... Jul 20 12:52:20 Not if all the security options are set right. Jul 20 12:52:30 From the looks of it trigatch4, Yes. Jul 20 12:52:47 Ive got a rooted g1 and its already been patched into my rom. Jul 20 12:53:30 Kinnoken, Thanks a lot. Jul 20 12:53:55 But it's not hard to access the phone via ADB if it is enabled. Jul 20 12:54:10 is there a way to get into the phone and have write blocking enabled? Jul 20 12:54:32 Well, android is based on unix/linux, so you can set file permissions akin to that. Jul 20 12:54:46 If you can get root access via ADB, etc. Jul 20 12:55:17 Or, you can even do it straight on the phone with a terminal emulator. Jul 20 12:55:28 There are ways to gain root access in the phone. Jul 20 12:56:43 Kinnoken, any ways of root access with new and upcoming firmware updates? im not looking to hack the phone persay but get data off by the most forensic means possible. Jul 20 13:02:30 GammaX, it's pretty easy to gain root access with a modified boot image with root access. Jul 20 13:02:54 You don't even need to permanently change the boot image either. Jul 20 13:03:39 How would I go about looking that up? Jul 20 13:05:02 GammaX, you'll need to go read up about modifying the ROM of the phone and understanding how it works. Jul 20 13:05:22 After that, it's a simple matter to choose a boot image from one of those modified roms and booting that ROM in the phone via fastboot. Jul 20 13:08:51 although I'm not entirely certain what kind of information you hope to gain from this. Jul 20 13:13:52 volllll wanna buy an ipod touch Jul 20 13:14:02 Kinnoken, any certain website that might have information about that. Jul 20 13:14:15 Ace2017_-: CoPilot runs native code. The map download size depends on your region. All of NA is about 1GB, all of europe is about 2GB. Jul 20 13:14:51 assuming I'm not telling you this too late :P Jul 20 13:14:59 blau-mikeDG: I don't want to touch anything of yours Jul 20 13:15:03 can i download it to my pc then add it to my sdcard and install it in android? Jul 20 13:15:31 GammaX: getting firmware updates is going to screw up any forensics you might want to do. Jul 20 13:15:40 Ace2017_-: Yes, there's a program called Central you can use Jul 20 13:16:09 its brand new Jul 20 13:16:23 blau-mikeDG: five dollah. Jul 20 13:17:07 How many countries does CoPilot support? Jul 20 13:17:34 vol_, i need to be able to rip the image off the phone without tampering with data... Jul 20 13:17:46 GammaX, That's fine, do a nandroid backup. Jul 20 13:17:58 Kinnoken: that assumes the phone has nandroid. Jul 20 13:18:05 fastboot boot recovery? Jul 20 13:18:07 GammaX: do you want to perform forensics on your own phone, or on other phones. Jul 20 13:18:19 Kinnoken: copilot is on sale for North America and for Europe. Jul 20 13:18:23 (for android) Jul 20 13:18:26 vol_, both but legaly Jul 20 13:18:32 vol_, I understand, unfortunately, those aren't any of the countries I live in. Jul 20 13:18:38 Kinnoken: sorry then : ( Jul 20 13:18:42 I am wondering about map support. Jul 20 13:19:02 GammaX: You can put custom roms on your own phone, as well as custom recovery images. Jul 20 13:19:22 With certain custom recovery images you can use a program called nandroid that will directly back up the data/cache on your phone Jul 20 13:19:59 vol_, how about on other phones that I dont want to modify... just get data off of it. Jul 20 13:20:15 If you're lucky, the phone has an engineering bootloader and you can fastboot a recovery image that has nandroid. Jul 20 13:20:20 It's going to be tricky at best, gammax Jul 20 13:20:44 if you want to know how to do this for LEO purposes, I would suggest talking to google directly, they might have a trick or two. Jul 20 13:21:08 that would be through email, or do they have a developer chat? Jul 20 13:21:30 As long as it's not the dreaded perfected SPL's, I don't see a problem changing them. ;P Jul 20 13:22:26 CSI: ANDROID Jul 20 13:22:29 You can probably do either. You might want to post on the group for this. Jul 20 13:22:33 CSI: Mountain View Jul 20 13:22:37 lol Jul 20 13:22:41 most (but not all) of the ops here work for google. Jul 20 13:22:46 (I do not work for google) Jul 20 13:22:49 * blau-mikeDG needs to stop hard coding passwords into apps to test Jul 20 13:22:52 and then releasing the code Jul 20 13:22:56 nice. Jul 20 13:23:16 lol Jul 20 13:24:13 so what are the chances of an app that requires someone to dl the text to speach library getting decent reviews in ADC2 Jul 20 13:24:31 mixed. Jul 20 13:24:54 "( Jul 20 13:24:58 GammaX: http://developer.android.com/community/index.html#ApplicationDeveloperLists Jul 20 13:25:08 You might want to try the android security discussion. Jul 20 13:25:24 thanks! Jul 20 13:31:15 hi there! I kinda need help :S I've installed some apps since I rooted my phone and now it has become a buggy mess! The two apps more susceptible to have been the cause would be overclocker widget and Swapper. Although in the comments everybody says how great those apps are... Am I mistaken? What else could have rendered my phone useless like that? Jul 20 13:32:57 hi Jul 20 13:33:26 hi Jul 20 13:33:54 I've just got an htc magic on vodafone (uk), could anyone point me in the direction of some good resources? is the market the best place to get apps or are there better websites with semi-stable software? Jul 20 13:35:04 I have lots of questions =) Jul 20 13:35:41 i don't know much actually, I have questions too :P Jul 20 13:35:44 apfelsaft: marketplace website is pretty bad. for a web interface I'd suggest looking at cyrket.com but that's US specific Jul 20 13:35:55 Mercidia: Overclock app will just change the clock speed on your device. Jul 20 13:36:05 Overclock widget seemed a little buggy to me, so I just use the app. Jul 20 13:36:19 I haven't used swapper, I don't know what it does. Jul 20 13:36:26 thankyou, I'll have a look there. Jul 20 13:36:42 Question: I've set up a Preference menu, and i'm wondering what is the purpose of 'android:key'. Is there a simple way to rip strings from your Preferences? Jul 20 13:36:48 creates a swap file, which would theoretically give a boost in performance to the phone... Jul 20 13:36:59 I'm also particular interested in the linux capabilities of the phone, im a linux user and I'd like to know if the android is as expandable/configurable in any way Jul 20 13:38:31 o_O Jul 20 13:38:41 Mercidia: kill it Jul 20 13:38:47 that's probably what's causing the instability Jul 20 13:38:58 if you need extra memory, get apps2sd set up Jul 20 13:39:26 well a swap file usually is more about ram than space, no? Jul 20 13:39:29 apfelsaft: go get the android sdk, set up adb, go get fastboot, put on custom roms, etc. Jul 20 13:39:46 it's that easy? Jul 20 13:39:48 Mercidia: the internal memory is already used Jul 20 13:40:02 this is just adding the sdcard to the mix, and it was probably poorly created. Jul 20 13:40:16 apfelsaft: well, no. Is your phone rooted yet? Jul 20 13:40:27 yeah ill check that out, thanks! Jul 20 13:40:35 root your phone, put on custom roms, and you can hack it to your heart's content :P Jul 20 13:41:05 swapper creates a swap file on the SD card... which in my opinion, isn't so smart. Jul 20 13:41:59 what do you mean by root it? Jul 20 13:43:22 you mean like superuser access? im sorry if I'm missing the point a little Jul 20 13:43:27 well, since I deleted it, everything since to run better, so i guess that was it :P Jul 20 13:44:03 but it still doesnt seem as stable as it was before it was rooted... is JF that stable? Jul 20 13:44:15 You can just root a stock rom? Jul 20 13:45:08 apfelsaft: have you used linux? :P Jul 20 13:45:27 Mercidia: jf 1.51 is considered the gold standard of rooted roms iirc Jul 20 13:45:48 yeah I have, not on a mobile device though Jul 20 13:45:56 the most complicated I've got is slax Jul 20 13:45:58 Kinnoken: you have to downgrade to RC29, get root access, then install a custom recovery image. Then you can put on any ROM you want. Jul 20 13:46:11 apfelsaft: then shouldn't you know what root is? :P Jul 20 13:46:22 yeah, root user Jul 20 13:46:32 so you do mean to log in as root on the phone? Jul 20 13:46:32 well, rooting your device means being able to run as root Jul 20 13:46:41 yes Jul 20 13:46:42 how would I go about doing that? lol Jul 20 13:47:44 whats the best way (best apps?) to help the performance of the phone? also, the overclocker widget is maxed out at 528000, but isnt the cpu of the phone already 528MHz? Jul 20 13:48:02 Mercidia: the phone comes clocked standard at 328 or somethign Jul 20 13:48:05 *something Jul 20 13:49:04 apfelsaft: xda-developers.com forums has information on how to root your device, looking to see if I can find it. Jul 20 13:49:10 apfelsaft: best guide I found : http://forums.tmonews.com/index.php?topic=8970.0 Jul 20 13:49:54 apfelsaft: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=529361 Jul 20 13:49:56 is it 328 MHz? Jul 20 13:49:59 this looks like it has a list of all links Jul 20 13:50:17 352 it might have been Jul 20 13:50:25 I don't know ._. Jul 20 13:50:37 point is it's 3XX and by overclocking to 528 you're much faster than stock Jul 20 13:50:43 also, much hotter Jul 20 13:51:03 i get it, but is it the actual clock speed of the machine, or is it a random number? Jul 20 13:51:19 hola Jul 20 13:51:44 it's the maximum clock speed. Jul 20 13:51:51 the phone only tries to run the cpu as fast as it needs to. Jul 20 13:51:56 What is the recommended method to ripping the data from SharePreferences? Is it the same method as ripping data from interface? Jul 20 13:52:10 also, should I move the cache of the apps, or does that raise the instability? Jul 20 13:52:47 thanks for your help. I have to ask, have you heard of any negative effects from this kind of use? Jul 20 13:53:12 crasing, bricking, etc? and is it easy/possible to return to factory settings? Jul 20 13:53:38 changing the spl has a possibility of bricking your phone. Jul 20 13:54:50 do you have any predictions for how this process might be a little more stable if I check back in a few months? Jul 20 13:55:22 it probably won't be. Jul 20 13:55:27 lol, ok. Jul 20 13:55:32 rooting your device is a pretty known quality at this point. Jul 20 13:56:03 anyone tried any of the newer hero ROMs? I'm wondering if they are any faster than the older ones Jul 20 13:56:25 vol_, I don't have any of these problems since I have an HTC Magic. ;P Jul 20 13:56:29 what's the most interesting thing than can be done if I try this then? I've seen the debian shell on a G1 Jul 20 13:56:49 you can stick debian on your phone, that's kind of interesting I guess. Jul 20 13:57:02 ah.. I have an HTC magic too, you mean less chance of bricking? Jul 20 13:57:08 The most useful thing you can do is stick rooted roms on your device, giving you all sorts of nice toys. Jul 20 13:57:19 like what? Jul 20 13:57:22 task manager, cpu speed control, shell w/ root access, etc. Jul 20 13:57:26 aha Jul 20 13:57:28 fun Jul 20 13:57:37 read raw NMEA data from the GPS! Jul 20 13:57:46 lol Jul 20 13:57:49 vol_: what's the best task manager out there for root users? Jul 20 13:58:06 cat /dev/urandom > /dev/snd while on the phone with spammers! Jul 20 13:58:30 lol Jul 20 13:58:33 lolll Jul 20 13:58:33 Mercidia: I dunno, I use one that came with my rom (jf4c 0.6) Jul 20 13:58:47 Need a script for that. Jul 20 13:59:04 all this stuff I can do - I'm guessing it's only software specifically for the android that I can do this with? or are there ways of compiling any software for android? Jul 20 13:59:29 the over clocker you use is openoverclocker right? and JF comes with a task manager? (I have 1.51) Jul 20 13:59:30 apfelsaft: you can compile arbitrary c/c++ code for armv5 if you get the ndk Jul 20 13:59:41 but yeah generally you're going to want to write this for android specifically Jul 20 14:00:09 ok Jul 20 14:00:14 I guess I have a lot of reading to do Jul 20 14:00:42 you'll probably find me back here in a few weeks saying "shit it won't turn on!" Jul 20 14:00:50 gl :P Jul 20 14:01:35 I flashed my SPL, boot, recovery, everything back to stock so I could return it 3 days later. ;/ Jul 20 14:01:39 Because it had a defect. Jul 20 14:02:09 whats the defect Jul 20 14:03:04 vol_: the over clocker you use is openoverclocker right? and JF comes with a task manager? (I have 1.51) Jul 20 14:04:23 <_Auron_> can someone point me to a decent guide on how onSaveInstanceState() and onRestoreInstanceState() work for saving/restoring runtime data? Jul 20 14:04:46 <_Auron_> er, wrong channel Jul 20 14:05:49 I have a rooted image (JF 1.5) and my phone wants to update, I DO NOT want to update, right? Jul 20 14:06:26 no you don't Jul 20 14:06:30 <_Auron_> no Jul 20 14:06:32 you probably do not, that is correct Jul 20 14:06:35 ok, thank you Jul 20 14:06:38 Mercidia: I use open overclocker Jul 20 14:06:55 Caelum: change your recovery image :P Jul 20 14:07:44 Mercidia: I'm not sure what task manager I have. it is called "Task Manager for Root Users" Jul 20 14:07:58 hmm, it's not available anymore :( Jul 20 14:12:03 and what are the best apps to optimize performance? other than the overclock widget? Jul 20 14:15:09 task manager :P Jul 20 14:15:22 really, is there something that's not running well that you need to optimize for? Jul 20 14:15:55 <_Auron_> okay seriously. is there no such thing as proper explanation as to wtf a bundle is and how to actually use it? Jul 20 14:16:03 <_Auron_> this is pissing me off. Jul 20 14:16:17 _Auron_: it's a hashmap :P Jul 20 14:16:18 grrr at ofx Jul 20 14:16:30 hello Jul 20 14:16:32 it's a hashmap of parcelable objects Jul 20 14:16:37 neurre: hi Jul 20 14:16:38 is it possible to store port redirections somehow Jul 20 14:16:43 in the emulator Jul 20 14:16:52 ;/ Jul 20 14:16:59 now every boot i have to telnet and setup redirections :( Jul 20 14:17:05 <_Auron_> vol_: and how do I use it? how do I save and restore data? namely, how would I save and restore dozens of arrays of runtime data? Jul 20 14:17:23 _Auron_: stuff them into the bundle Jul 20 14:17:34 if the elements are not parcelable, figure a way out to make them so Jul 20 14:18:07 then, figure out how you want to restore things from a bundle Jul 20 14:21:37 <_Auron_> vol_: so basically I'd want to do bundle.putFloat("Label", float) etc and then getFloat with the same label to retrieve the data? Jul 20 14:22:52 something like that. store arrays and such for convenience. Jul 20 14:23:02 you can always make your own data structures, dontcha know :P Jul 20 14:24:06 <_Auron_> and bundles can be as large as I have for RAM, right? Jul 20 14:25:16 probably Jul 20 14:25:23 I've never tried :P Jul 20 14:25:41 you might want to consider caching things to disk if you're getting things that large and keeping references Jul 20 14:28:42 <_Auron_> well this is for my game; I'd have to save and restore the X, Y, rotation, color, HP, state, type, size, image reference, width, and height for every object (totalling to about 300 objects) Jul 20 14:29:53 that's not so bad. Jul 20 14:30:16 vol_: sorry for the lag, every once in a while i get the "this app is not responding, wait/force close" i would like to stop seeing that :P Jul 20 14:30:37 Mercidia: you could have too many things running. Jul 20 14:31:01 <_Auron_> I guess it wouldn't be; I'd have to make new arrays to read/write that data and then process into my objects though Jul 20 14:31:11 thats why i'd like more performance :P Jul 20 14:31:21 it's not even set up the way i want it yet :P Jul 20 14:34:37 hm. sure wish vbox would allow you to have mor ethan 1 vcpu if your system doesn't have virtualization instructions Jul 20 14:36:45 Humm watching google io keynote showing donut apprently people have 40apps avg on there phone. Jul 20 14:39:32 damn Jul 20 14:39:33 gimme! Jul 20 14:42:03 I had a dream that I had a Hero Jul 20 14:42:33 OMG a nightmare. Jul 20 14:42:33 at some point in the dream I realived that no current Hero's supported t-mo usa's 3g frequency Jul 20 14:42:40 A smartphone without a keyboard. Jul 20 14:42:42 so in the dream I surfed on EDGE Jul 20 14:42:51 a Doublenightmare Jul 20 14:42:56 Edge and no keyboard. Jul 20 14:43:19 :D I do love my hardware keyboard on the g1, but the sense-ui might be enough to make me switch Jul 20 14:44:01 I've been pleasantly surprized at how good the keyboard is on the magic. Jul 20 14:44:34 JesusFreke: heise security tells something about a security patch for htc diamond - does this affect the htc dream too? Jul 20 14:44:37 but the thing that sucks is that even if you have a rooted magic u cant use the on screen keyboard with ther terminal emulator correct? Jul 20 14:44:45 I've been used to the size factor because I used Treos since the Treo 600. Jul 20 14:44:50 Medjai: not true Jul 20 14:44:58 seriouslY/ Jul 20 14:45:00 there are version of the terminal emualtor that work w/ the keyboard Jul 20 14:45:06 o Jul 20 14:45:07 i r type gud Jul 20 14:45:08 :@ Jul 20 14:45:13 thats great Jul 20 14:45:13 all I want for Christmas is a G1 with half a gig of ram Jul 20 14:45:23 Medjai: Sometimes the terminal emulator doesn't work with IMEs but if you switch to the native Android keyboard it works. Jul 20 14:45:38 i am using native android keyboard Jul 20 14:45:45 (It also helps to know that Ctrl+i is tab and Ctrl+m is return Jul 20 14:45:49 does anyone know of any work to port android to the Dash Express GPS? it currently runs OpenMoko. Jul 20 14:45:50 i'm on Haykuro's version of the google build Jul 20 14:45:55 the one with the bounce transition <3 Jul 20 14:46:58 einstein: good luck, einstein. Jul 20 14:47:06 Wow, something other than the neo runs OpenMoko? Jul 20 14:47:17 do you guys know how to edit the options that come up after holding down the endcall button? Jul 20 14:47:49 Cyanogen did it, but im not quite sure how. I wanted to do it to my version of the phone since the reboot command from the terminal isnt allowed Jul 20 14:47:54 it might be a kernal issue Jul 20 14:48:03 since all permissions have been set correctly Jul 20 14:48:48 Medjai: I don't know the answer to your question, but a reboot option on red+hold would be awesome Jul 20 14:49:10 red + menu + green reboots on my g1 Jul 20 14:49:32 vol_: so, that's a no? :) my parents have a Dash Express, and I just bid on a used one on eBay. Jul 20 14:49:34 Cyanogen's ROM has it Jul 20 14:49:44 Rebooting... I rebooted my treo at least once a day. Jul 20 14:49:49 if i get in contact with him or figure it out i'll let you know Jul 20 14:50:07 blau-mikeDG: omg it does, I knew you could do that in bootloader, but I never tried it under normal boot... learn something new every day Jul 20 14:50:53 I figure it might be a fun hack to try. Jul 20 14:52:16 Monban: half a gig of ram, that would be cool. Unfortunately all the world's hardware providers are in a conspiracy against Android and only put it on their second rate phones. Jul 20 14:52:38 We really need Google to design the specifications of a phone that is actually worth something and license it out. Jul 20 14:53:13 it could be worse Jul 20 14:53:25 you could have a kick ass phone and nothing taking advantage of it Jul 20 14:53:26 like the pre Jul 20 14:53:28 hello Jul 20 14:53:43 einstein: I have no idea how much luck you'll have, since I've never even heard of it. If it runs openmoko, you probably have a decent shot if you know how to do this sort of thing. Jul 20 14:53:53 is the andnav2 version from the homepage exactly the same as in the market? Jul 20 14:54:02 The pre does browsing, twitter, multimedia, email and SMS all much faster than the G1. Jul 20 14:54:05 lubomir: probably. go buy copilot ;) Jul 20 14:54:06 That is enough. The basics are better! Jul 20 14:54:09 I'd be more than happy to pay a premium for a carrier-agnostic, hack friendly, ugly but functional android phone Jul 20 14:54:22 vol_, is copilot 4free? Jul 20 14:54:26 lubomir: no Jul 20 14:54:34 hence "buy" :) Jul 20 14:54:43 free copilot for everyone Jul 20 14:54:52 breadline for vol! Jul 20 14:54:57 vol_, then i dont want it ^^ .I dont like using closed source ^^ Jul 20 14:55:13 free sourcecode for everyone Jul 20 14:55:15 lubomir: good luck to you then on finding a decent nav app Jul 20 14:55:22 i need someone to get my damn ofx working Jul 20 14:55:25 nav4all works so far Jul 20 14:55:36 i just want to try andnav2 Jul 20 14:56:24 lubomir: interesting, I'll check it out Jul 20 14:56:41 i use nav4all since 4 years on my mobile phones ;) Jul 20 14:58:44 does a developer have to pay just once when including a program into the market or just he need to pay for every update he made? Jul 20 14:58:59 just once i think Jul 20 14:59:10 just once. Jul 20 14:59:20 so he could make program updates as often as he want Jul 20 14:59:24 you pay $25 for a marketplace account, and then you can place as many apps as you wish, and as many updates as you wish. Jul 20 14:59:40 the $25 just pays for the overhead of setting up your account. Jul 20 14:59:40 ah! Jul 20 15:00:00 so, feel free to stuff the market with more useless apps to your heart's content :> Jul 20 15:00:18 noooo :D Jul 20 15:00:23 farts Jul 20 15:00:33 2000ERRORUnable to communicate with host.20090720105954ENGB1 Jul 20 15:00:34 :( Jul 20 15:00:40 andnav2 works very good for me in .de Jul 20 15:00:43 and there is till now noone who flooded the market? because you can put then clones of everything and so on Jul 20 15:01:20 Eimann, benutzt du die version von der hp oder die vom market? sind diese gleich? auf der hp finde ich nirgends eine versionsnummer Jul 20 15:01:36 lubomir: Market, I didn't notice a difference Jul 20 15:01:46 Eimann, ok Jul 20 15:02:05 lubomir: there are people who throw plenty of junk on there Jul 20 15:02:11 lubomir: Sometimes there will be Beta-Versions on the Website I think, which are not or later when stable, popping up on Market Jul 20 15:02:14 it's not malicious, they're just horrible programmers looking to make money :P Jul 20 15:03:14 Eimann, ok,thx Jul 20 15:03:20 i cant stand the people selling soundboards Jul 20 15:03:26 with copyrighted sounds Jul 20 15:03:49 that's what lawyers are for Jul 20 15:03:57 is there something new about rooting i7500? Jul 20 15:03:59 vol_: heh yeah, all due to the challenge and money pot ^^ Jul 20 15:04:41 does someone know what dev is trying to make root possible? Jul 20 15:05:21 im gonna pwn the dev hallenge Jul 20 15:05:54 * Eimann still did not figure out under which circumstances board_trout.disable_sdcard=1 is set Jul 20 15:06:42 blau-mikeDG: connectbot does it allready Jul 20 15:12:25 hm Jul 20 15:14:20 there's a new dev challange? Jul 20 15:14:34 Medjai: ADC2 was announced a month or two ago Jul 20 15:14:47 been out of the country Jul 20 15:14:48 lol Jul 20 15:14:51 link? Jul 20 15:14:59 google.com :P Jul 20 15:15:20 lol im too tired to search, just woke up cut me some slack :P Jul 20 15:15:23 j/k i'll get it Jul 20 15:16:38 just do a search for "ADC2" Jul 20 15:16:43 I betcha it's the very first result Jul 20 15:19:59 lol Jul 20 15:20:00 it was lol Jul 20 15:22:23 brb gonna geton from my laptop Jul 20 15:27:07 #firefox Jul 20 15:27:12 oops :-) Jul 20 15:42:14 Hi! Jul 20 15:43:46 oh hi Jul 20 15:49:42 Anyone knows what the latest update T-Mo sent fixes? Jul 20 15:50:35 so how about that bill gates hey? ;) Jul 20 15:51:26 It fixes this: http://www.ocert.org/advisories/ocert-2009-011.html Jul 20 15:51:31 acknowledging the existence of android netbooks Jul 20 15:51:50 wheres mine? i want one :P Jul 20 15:51:59 do they play flash videos? Jul 20 15:52:24 im assuming it supports whatever android supports now.. eg youtube Jul 20 15:52:45 snadge: who is 'they' ? Jul 20 15:52:52 eh Jul 20 15:52:56 SoulBlade: who is 'they' ? Jul 20 15:53:11 maybe he meant.. does it play flash videos Jul 20 15:53:19 but you can assign personality to an android device if you want to Jul 20 15:53:24 i think thats part of the idea ;) Jul 20 15:53:32 they = android netbooks Jul 20 15:53:59 i think sipa1024 was more confused by the personification of an electronic device Jul 20 15:54:04 ah Jul 20 15:54:17 snadge: not really, actually :) Jul 20 15:54:35 they dont call it android for nothing Jul 20 15:54:40 everything has reason ;) Jul 20 15:54:47 youtube is barely the flash tech demo anymore.. if it doesn't play hulu or other mainstream flash vid sites then why release a netbook? Jul 20 15:55:09 because you dont need flash to play videos on the web Jul 20 15:55:19 hulu and other mainstream flash sites, will have to support android Jul 20 15:55:29 in an alternative manner, the same way youtube does for android Jul 20 15:55:30 Hi all. Really kind of desperate for some help. I'm trying to tether my Magic to my TomTom with TetherBlu but failing. Can anyone offer any advice? (Forgive me for asking in #xda-devs too!) Jul 20 15:55:30 flash sucks Jul 20 15:55:40 haha yea right - i doubt they'll change anything Jul 20 15:55:46 i dont Jul 20 15:55:58 things change all the time, flash is yesterdays technology.. android is the future ;) Jul 20 15:56:15 hmm Jul 20 15:57:28 which do you think is easier.. flawlessly implmenting the hideos technology known as flash, on arm architecture in a fully compatible manner.. or.. not using flash to play videos ;) Jul 20 15:57:57 flash is retarded Jul 20 15:58:10 obviously the latter, but what's easier for hulu - doing nothing or converting the entire player and video collection to something other than flash Jul 20 15:58:10 its grotesquely retarded ;) Jul 20 15:58:39 SoulBlade: you don't need flash to play flash video - i believe it uses some common codecs Jul 20 15:58:42 adobe's already said they are going to port their plugin to ARM and such - which is why i bet companies aren't changing anything Jul 20 15:58:54 well.. i'll believe that when i see it Jul 20 15:59:07 you need flash to decode the swf files to get to the flv's - you need to be able to run some action script 3 for most of the popular sites these days Jul 20 15:59:07 personally, id rather see flash become redundant by html5 and javascript Jul 20 15:59:35 in other words.. just bin everything flash, and written in flash.. and accept that it was a mistake to go down that path in the first place Jul 20 15:59:50 it will make life easier in the long term Jul 20 15:59:59 costs $$$$ which people don't want to spend at the moment Jul 20 16:00:33 flash was stupid to go down Jul 20 16:00:50 SoulBlade: of course - but if some framework that supports video playing becomes more popular than flash, it is absolutely no work for video sites to convert, as long as the underlying codecs remain supported Jul 20 16:01:02 on the positive side, the existence of flash on arm/android would mean the existence of a flash blocking plugin within hours of it being released ;) Jul 20 16:01:13 haha Jul 20 16:01:27 snadge: i sincerely hope so :) Jul 20 16:01:48 or at least having to press to enable flash, that would be a good idea Jul 20 16:01:57 rather than it just working by default Jul 20 16:03:01 * MikHel agrees with snadge on flash and html5 Jul 20 16:03:02 Hi all. Really kind of desperate for some help. I'm trying to tether my Magic to my TomTom with TetherBlu but failing. Can anyone offer any advice? Jul 20 16:04:10 if nobody answered the first time, it's because nobody knows. Jul 20 16:04:34 doesnt wifi tether for root users support bluetooth as well? Jul 20 16:04:46 oh thats right, you need to exploit your phone to use that :P Jul 20 16:04:48 or have an adp Jul 20 16:04:59 or because noboy noticed it, and now's it's scrolled off the page it seemed sensible to repeat - that's how it tends to work in most support channels. Jul 20 16:05:22 i noticed it, but have no idea :) Jul 20 16:05:31 I have, snadge, the software loads, but the tomtom doesn't see teh connection Jul 20 16:05:57 i've only tried it with wifi myself :/ Jul 20 16:06:27 you have paired the devices right? Jul 20 16:06:34 i forget how you do that Jul 20 16:07:06 yeah, it sees all teh other things such as headset and dialing - just not the data connection Jul 20 16:07:50 might not be doable im afraid.. the mobile networks have google by the cahones Jul 20 16:08:18 what i mean by that, is its not an officially supported thing (yet) Jul 20 16:10:13 Bleh, ok, quick question. I've updated an app on the publisher account. I have to hit publish again, right? Jul 20 16:10:17 that wouldn't reset it to the original version? Jul 20 16:12:22 yes Jul 20 16:13:29 thanks, just triple checking. Jul 20 16:15:35 snadge: fyi from xda devs: "I believe this creates a PAN connection. In order to hook up with my TomTom for data services, I believe I need to create a DUN connection. I attempted this yesterday before I found the application you wrote, with no success. It seems with JF1.41 dund is compiled, so it shouldn't be any more difficult than pand to get going, but I don't know what parameters to pass .... Jul 20 16:15:43 ...and there isn't a way to hook up to the IFUP and IFDOWN delegates like there is with pand." Jul 20 16:18:35 as soon as you start mentioning root users and jesusfreke's roms you're delving into unsupported territory ;) Jul 20 16:18:57 are there any docs about the update that tmobile has been sending out today? Jul 20 16:20:46 speaking of JF, and speaking of the update from t-mobile... Jul 20 16:21:49 if I had to guess, my bet would be the new t-mo update rolls in 1.5r3 Jul 20 16:22:57 ok so whats new? and how do i determine my JF version again? Jul 20 16:23:03 i think its the 1.51 release Jul 20 16:23:34 snadge: from the home screen: menu -> settings -> about phone -> scroll to bottom Jul 20 16:25:09 is there a page somewhere that keeps a changelog of these things? Jul 20 16:26:07 yeah but it doesnt say the release number.. i think its 1.51 tho Jul 20 16:26:28 theres a sysctl or something Jul 20 16:27:54 does anyone know for sure of JF 1.51 or anything will work on a Rogers HTC Magic ? Jul 20 16:30:52 first off anyone familiar with developing themes on mac? so i don't have to waste my time like I've wasted 10 hours or so on useless forums? Jul 20 16:31:38 and by mac... i don't mean ubuntu running on a macbook pro. i mean OS X (LEOPARD) android development Jul 20 16:32:12 I dont know if you could sign the .zips on mac though :s Jul 20 16:33:10 nperry: thank you for being honest. i did find some signing application, but the issue i'm having is installing the repo to a mydroid partition Jul 20 16:33:57 i've got macports installed. i've tried to configure the make proecedure to no avail Jul 20 16:34:59 You're building from source? Jul 20 16:35:10 yeah Jul 20 16:37:34 I take it you followed this, http://source.android.com/download Jul 20 16:37:56 yeah Jul 20 16:38:54 i'm gonna try one more thing, lol. it says to mount it with hciutil or something Jul 20 16:39:20 Sorry im not being that much help as im a ubuntu user :) Jul 20 16:39:26 Never touched a mac :/ Jul 20 16:40:14 no worries. i can't stress enough how much i appreciate your honesty of saying "i don't know" instead of giving me a bogus command that only works on ubuntu lol Jul 20 16:40:58 sigma87: what's the problem? Jul 20 16:41:35 blunden: compiling the source for myandroid on a mac machine Jul 20 16:42:30 does it give you any useful error? Jul 20 16:43:02 just things like not having some silver thing which i tried installing via macports and it didn't work Jul 20 16:43:23 ok :( Jul 20 16:43:26 how to see free memory? Jul 20 16:43:36 Monban: free Jul 20 16:43:46 enter that into terminal emulator Jul 20 16:43:57 ah, so well that was easy :D Jul 20 16:44:13 any reason you are compiling from source, or just for fun? Jul 20 16:44:42 blunden: there is no .pkg file to download it to install. Jul 20 16:44:50 and i like to test my knowledge, lol Jul 20 16:44:55 Hmm.. I should be able to use a Google Apps account for my G1, right? Jul 20 16:45:17 qwell: yes Jul 20 16:45:27 wish there was a way to link my Google/gmail account with my Apps account. sucks having 2 now Jul 20 16:45:59 sigma87: I get 1684 free, is this in kilobytes? seems like I'm pretty full Jul 20 16:47:00 yeah you could try moving apps to sdcard Jul 20 16:47:19 the basic memory is pretty limited Jul 20 16:48:02 I thought he was talking about ram? Jul 20 16:49:04 well the "free" command won't tell you ram. There is a tutorial online to tell you how to make a swap file (create more RAM, essentially) Jul 20 16:49:05 actually, I confess I don't really understand the android memory model.. it's shared right, installing applications lowers free scratch memory, storage is memory and vice versa Jul 20 16:49:33 Hi Jul 20 16:50:29 Anyone who have HaRET or Android on WinCE 6.0? Jul 20 16:50:49 sigma87: depends how you define ram; i'd say ram is physical primary memory, and virtual memory is memory usable by programs (and is backed by either physical ram, and secondary memory in the form of swap) Jul 20 16:51:34 sipa1024: yeah that's why i said essentially Jul 20 16:51:57 ok :) Jul 20 16:52:03 I've just felt for a while that I must be doing something wrong in terms of free memory, I don't have a lot of apps installed but for some reason seem to be low on memory a lot, I think I'll repartition my sdcard and try to get apps2sd working and swap as well Jul 20 16:52:05 lol Jul 20 16:52:40 Monban: sounds like a good idea. the Cyanogen rom has great memory moderation Jul 20 16:52:40 hi guys Jul 20 16:52:47 raz: hi Jul 20 16:53:17 how could i make shortcuts to "add new contact" and "add new calendar item" with anycut? (i need the magic pixie dust for "create my own") Jul 20 16:53:28 sigma87: I'm running the latest cyanogen (3.6.8) and supposedly apps2sd is on (I had an ext3 partition already) but I am unsure if it's "working" Jul 20 16:54:09 hmm apps2sd i think comes with it, but you have to turn it on yourself Jul 20 17:00:43 Monban: You need to have Cm's recovery Jul 20 17:01:27 There is a appstosd section on the menu which initally sets it up for you Jul 20 17:04:02 nperry: yeah but I've never pushed it because Cynogen's mod says in big letters that it is supposed to work automatically... so I think my best bet is just a nice clean wipe... Jul 20 17:04:18 Someone can help to port android to Meizu M8 mobile phone? http://www.meizume.com/modding-development/9014-project-port-android-meizu-m8.html Jul 20 17:04:58 clear all the partitions, reformat with fat32 / ext3 / swp Jul 20 17:05:28 How do I run sqlite3 in the shell on a device? Jul 20 17:06:20 lol maikelrunia nobody is going to do your project for you Jul 20 17:07:27 if you have a specific question about it ask away, but if you dont know how to port it to the device youre not going to get a walkthrough Jul 20 17:07:28 I dont ask for ''do my project'' just ask if someone is kind enough to help us out on the problem.. Jul 20 17:07:46 whats "the problem"? Jul 20 17:07:52 so i would be nicer to ask, whats the problem Jul 20 17:07:55 ah there it is.. Jul 20 17:08:26 lol @ you scolding me for not being nice Jul 20 17:08:35 im way beyond that point :P Jul 20 17:09:18 HaRET is not running in kernelmode on WinCE 6 Jul 20 17:09:31 haretlog says CPU ? Jul 20 17:09:43 tmzt you around? Jul 20 17:10:26 * Gigawatts could use some help from tmzt as well Jul 20 17:11:11 he'd be the one to ask about maikelrunia's problem, thats for sure Jul 20 17:18:02 I don't suppose anybody has any thoughts about how to link/merge a google apps account with an existing google/gmail account? I'd like to use one account on my phone without having to do a bunch of hackery.. Jul 20 17:18:26 qwell: you can share everything with your gmail account Jul 20 17:18:38 all your docs and calendars Jul 20 17:18:54 there's those, and there's also youtube, and email, and contacts Jul 20 17:19:06 anyone know what the OTA for TMO is? Jul 20 17:19:24 my wife just told me her phone is updating Jul 20 17:19:30 contacts you are sol Jul 20 17:19:35 youtube too Jul 20 17:19:47 email you can make the main email account get your email from the others Jul 20 17:19:49 blau-mikeDG: yeah.. ideally I'd want them to be a single account somehow ;/ Jul 20 17:19:51 but then its not push Jul 20 17:20:14 and its still a pain to send from another account on your phone, its easy in gmail.com tho Jul 20 17:22:08 wish there was just a merge button :( Jul 20 17:23:19 anyone? what's this new OTA? i haven't heard anything about it Jul 20 17:23:30 spaztik: bugfixes/security fixes Jul 20 17:23:35 it includes free porn, spaztik Jul 20 17:23:56 on xda-devs, some have said it has removed their root Jul 20 17:24:07 jf has a blog entry about it Jul 20 17:24:12 with a few details Jul 20 17:24:21 hm Jul 20 17:24:28 did jf update his images? Jul 20 17:24:35 TommyBres: n'yet Jul 20 17:24:40 i think hes working on it Jul 20 17:24:41 does anyone know for sure of JF 1.51 or anything will work on a Rogers HTC Magic ? Jul 20 17:24:58 ok Jul 20 17:25:03 TommyBres: "I should be able to get something out soon (next few days)" posted yesterday Jul 20 17:25:14 jpa-- jf1.51 is for dreams, not magics Jul 20 17:25:23 qwell, thanks Jul 20 17:25:55 i cant save new contacts in groups i use on my gmail account. just in the "telephone" group Jul 20 17:26:01 anyone know that problem? Jul 20 17:26:41 Gigawatts yeah, i'm just lookin for a change list Jul 20 17:27:03 on the last one we knew it was going to be for cupcake... Jul 20 17:27:45 yeah, that i dont know about Jul 20 17:27:58 I'm looking at finally getting an adroid phone, and play with it. I'm looking at the magic(mytouch) and was wondering. how does one root it from linux? all i see is windows rooting howtos Jul 20 17:27:59 i just heard about the update last night, and very briefly Jul 20 17:28:06 http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=AndroidDev&message.id=6975 Jul 20 17:28:09 is all i found Jul 20 17:30:20 warewolf, ping Jul 20 17:30:57 "permissions fixes"... sounds suspiciously like " we don't like people with rooted phones." Jul 20 17:31:03 ah i think it's the android-1.5r3 tag Jul 20 17:31:48 whats the latest android version in 1.5? Jul 20 17:32:04 reverts some things for those that are rooted... Jul 20 17:32:10 ohw ell, she's running OEM anyway Jul 20 17:50:49 does anyone use android with his own gmail-domain? (not @gmail.com) Jul 20 17:51:29 yeah Jul 20 17:51:33 I use it with my google apps domain Jul 20 17:51:44 Haraken: can u sync your contacts? Jul 20 17:51:50 yep Jul 20 17:52:12 both sided? (google apps --> mobile and mobile --> google apps? Jul 20 17:52:45 here it doesnt work.. i cant throw contacts in my groups from my google apps domain Jul 20 17:53:12 yeah I see contacts in my email that I didn't add there Jul 20 17:53:20 hm. Jul 20 17:53:25 :/ Jul 20 17:55:03 what do you mean in your groups? Jul 20 17:55:48 u can select a group if you add a contact, right? Jul 20 17:56:21 I'm not sure about groups Jul 20 17:56:27 I can select contacts Jul 20 17:56:29 that I've added Jul 20 17:58:08 if you add a contact, u have to select the group u want do add the contact Jul 20 17:58:26 you can choose there from your google-apps groups? Jul 20 17:58:50 I've never had to select a group when adding contacts on my phone :/ Jul 20 17:59:04 hmmm! =) Jul 20 18:02:42 anyone here know if there is an extended battery plate that doesn't leave a gap between the speaker and the plate Jul 20 18:02:55 so it doesn't muffle the alraedy low g1 speaker Jul 20 18:11:41 anyone here running a cyanogen rom? Jul 20 18:12:25 i am Jul 20 18:13:03 is there a version of Apps2Sd where the partition utility within it actually works properly? Jul 20 18:13:23 jpa--, just partition it using knoppix or gparted Jul 20 18:13:35 haraken how is it Jul 20 18:13:40 jpa-- no Jul 20 18:13:44 just partition it on your own Jul 20 18:13:54 i tried to partition using a Gparted LiveCD but it won't recognize my sdcard or anything when I mount my phone Jul 20 18:13:54 TommyBres, kicks ass, i won't use any other Jul 20 18:14:22 right Jul 20 18:14:28 just get something to run within the OS, like acronis Jul 20 18:14:47 my phone keeps telling me I need to update Jul 20 18:14:51 how do I turn that off Jul 20 18:15:10 accept the update Jul 20 18:15:15 lol Jul 20 18:15:16 Anyone think its strange that google doesn't have a space ship for the logo today? Jul 20 18:15:26 oh yeah, when i get the update notification - if i update it, will i lose root and everything? Jul 20 18:15:43 and if i updated SPL, doing an update won't cause problems, or? Jul 20 18:16:16 anyone anyone know what cpu is in the touch book Jul 20 18:16:19 jpa--: my current understanding is that if you accept the OTA, it will reboot, but it will fail to flash because your keys are "wrong" Jul 20 18:16:43 that's lame Jul 20 18:16:52 big brother wants to break my phone Jul 20 18:16:59 jpa--: it won't break anything (as far as I understand) Jul 20 18:17:13 it just won't be able to update Jul 20 18:17:22 is there a setting or something to turn off update notifications though? Jul 20 18:17:25 will i still be able to boot and use my phone? Jul 20 18:18:12 anyone get a touchbook yet? Jul 20 18:19:04 touchbook? Jul 20 18:19:36 http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/ Jul 20 18:19:49 eww Jul 20 18:19:54 why is that screen all floating way up in the air Jul 20 18:19:56 as close as you can get to an android netbook Jul 20 18:20:25 grindking you can remove the screen Jul 20 18:20:37 nub Jul 20 18:20:48 still, why does there need to be a gap like that Jul 20 18:20:55 you can file papers through there Jul 20 18:20:58 'ill just put this back here for later' Jul 20 18:21:00 it doesn't, that's just a demo Jul 20 18:21:03 uhh what Jul 20 18:21:09 http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/images/gallery_11.png Jul 20 18:21:11 what gap? Jul 20 18:21:20 oh weird Jul 20 18:21:32 on the main page Jul 20 18:21:38 that shows it being disconnected Jul 20 18:21:38 since they have the background red, it looks like it's a big gap there Jul 20 18:21:42 oh lol Jul 20 18:21:45 and then if you do view image Jul 20 18:21:47 it's this color Jul 20 18:21:53 uh huh Jul 20 18:21:56 http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/images/product-main-2.png Jul 20 18:21:58 bizarre! Jul 20 18:22:01 er that's just showing that it can do that Jul 20 18:22:06 oh i know Jul 20 18:22:10 it looks ince Jul 20 18:22:12 nice Jul 20 18:22:25 i think the connect/disconnect point looks flimsy as hell Jul 20 18:22:26 how much Jul 20 18:22:27 kinda disappointed that it has less ram then my phone and not even a full SD slot Jul 20 18:24:39 nobody does full SD slots anymore Jul 20 18:24:50 the past few years has seen a race to microSD Jul 20 18:26:59 how do they make microSD so small Jul 20 18:27:09 i mean its smaller than my finger nail and it holds 8GB Jul 20 18:27:15 its truly amazing Jul 20 18:27:38 magic. Jul 20 18:31:42 sorry back Jul 20 18:31:47 the write everything with very thin sharpies Jul 20 18:31:50 vol_ just swapped to cyanogen, didnt even take a wipe :) Jul 20 18:32:14 5 desktops? omgz Jul 20 18:32:17 i can't even use 5 desktops Jul 20 18:33:02 have fun. Jul 20 18:33:47 yeah checking out the demo on it now Jul 20 18:39:59 stupid question, what's the benefit to converting to ext3 Jul 20 18:40:32 from what? Jul 20 18:41:12 fat32 i'm guessing Jul 20 18:41:24 permissions for one Jul 20 18:42:19 you may want to do ext2 if its on storage media that can only be written to a limited number of times, or something that's slow Jul 20 18:42:25 but it can also store files bigger than 4 gigs Jul 20 18:43:52 hi Jul 20 18:44:07 sorry had to take a call Jul 20 18:44:07 can someone please tell me how i can copy a file onto my android phone from linux? Jul 20 18:44:18 adb? Jul 20 18:44:23 and i just read this from the cyanogen rom thread: Jul 20 18:44:26 7. How do I convert to Ext3? Jul 20 18:44:28 Reboot into recovery (home + power), drop to a console (Alt+x), and enter: "upgrade_fs". Reboot and you will be at ext3. This requires my recovery image listed above. Jul 20 18:44:37 i was hoping for a nice mountable partition showing up on my host Jul 20 18:44:39 like in windows Jul 20 18:44:57 like windows mobile and windows vista, where it shows up in My Computer Jul 20 18:45:05 it should do that... usb Jul 20 18:45:29 android never does anything with windows Jul 20 18:45:38 did you "accept" the mount on the pphone? Jul 20 18:45:47 Ace2017_-: should work automatically, at least it does for ubuntu. Jul 20 18:45:51 it doesn't show up in lsusb Jul 20 18:46:00 do you have to enable usb? Jul 20 18:46:10 yeah, when you plug the phone in, does it ask if you want to mount it? Jul 20 18:46:18 no Jul 20 18:46:19 (does the phone ask you, that is) Jul 20 18:46:22 no Jul 20 18:46:31 then its broken, send it back! Jul 20 18:46:32 turn on usb debugging Jul 20 18:46:35 heh Jul 20 18:46:40 Androidfan811: that should only affect adb Jul 20 18:46:50 though it's not a bad way to just push a file Jul 20 18:46:52 but yeah it should give a notificatoin asking "mount/do not mount" Jul 20 18:46:54 you can use adb from the android sdk Jul 20 18:46:56 if you choose mount it shows up in my computer Jul 20 18:47:04 adb is the ish Jul 20 18:47:23 that will let you push files/directories too/from your device, but it's kind of slow and requires use of the command prompt (may be good or bad depending on who you are) Jul 20 18:47:52 lol Jul 20 18:48:25 looks like its just charging from the usb cable Jul 20 18:48:32 * TommyBres jumps on the cyanogen bandwagon Jul 20 18:48:39 so much nicer than JF :X :X :X Jul 20 18:48:49 freelzy? Jul 20 18:49:00 freelzy? wth Jul 20 18:49:02 what makes it nicer? Jul 20 18:49:11 5 desktops, it's quicker, HTC cameras Jul 20 18:49:22 (camera/camcorder apps have more options) Jul 20 18:49:34 word Jul 20 18:49:41 it automatically detects a /system/sd directory and installs apps to the sd on its own Jul 20 18:49:41 hmm, might should try that out Jul 20 18:49:48 though I don't need more desktops Jul 20 18:49:54 so there's no need to put those 2 files in /data to make it install to sd Jul 20 18:50:01 ilmma try it, too Jul 20 18:50:13 what is it based off? Jul 20 18:50:14 i was die hard JF for life, finally got convinced to switch it up Jul 20 18:50:19 it's based on JF's image :) Jul 20 18:50:33 adp ? Jul 20 18:50:38 yeah Jul 20 18:50:45 excellent. Jul 20 18:50:47 i have an ADP so that works for me, if you need myfaves that sucks for you Jul 20 18:50:50 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537204 Jul 20 18:50:58 there's the link, i got 3.6.8 Jul 20 18:51:14 i hacked my g1 to an adp ghetto style jf. Jul 20 18:51:16 and make sure you get his recovery image, it has built-in nandroid restore, no need for fastboot Jul 20 18:51:18 thx Jul 20 18:52:13 i just change myfaves on the t-mobile site Jul 20 18:52:22 easier that way, anyway Jul 20 18:52:22 oh... Jul 20 18:52:29 i dont have t-mobile, so i dont know how easy/hard it is to switch Jul 20 18:52:30 and use starred in android group Jul 20 18:52:44 just put google voice in your myfaves and you're all set Jul 20 18:52:58 i need to get a google voice account Jul 20 18:53:17 firc is wild Jul 20 18:53:32 i lost you there for a minute. Jul 20 18:53:36 i have 2 google voice accounts, but only 1 at a time can forward to your phone :( Jul 20 18:53:58 can you send me that link again? cyanogen Jul 20 18:55:15 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537204 Jul 20 18:55:57 thx Jul 20 18:57:19 np Jul 20 19:00:16 okay so even when switching JF to cyan, my callerID still doesn't work Jul 20 19:00:28 * TommyBres murders his phone Jul 20 19:00:57 I use sipdroid for all calls. Jul 20 19:01:13 sipdroid? Jul 20 19:02:01 gotta love the informative details for the OTA 1.5 system update: "It contains a security fix" Jul 20 19:02:06 sip voip calls Jul 20 19:02:32 oh Jul 20 19:02:41 dkr duhh Jul 20 19:02:45 <_Auron_> where do I submit android bugs? Jul 20 19:02:58 they're not going to let you know where the security problem was so it can be exploited on phones that still have the bug Jul 20 19:03:13 you have to have an uplink to google's moonbase _Auron_ Jul 20 19:03:14 http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list Jul 20 19:03:19 ^^^_auron Jul 20 19:03:24 <_Auron_> funny :P Jul 20 19:03:45 "b.google.com" is for bug reporting Jul 20 19:03:59 TommyBres, try b.android.com Jul 20 19:04:16 lol my bad, b.android.com Jul 20 19:04:24 i typed it right the first time, thats how i got the link i posted Jul 20 19:05:43 yoo Jul 20 19:06:27 AakashPatel: sup Jul 20 19:09:11 sup Jul 20 19:09:57 DD Jul 20 19:09:59 TommyBres: uhm, isn't it open source? :) Jul 20 19:10:01 <_Auron_> whee, found a major openGL bug in android. Jul 20 19:10:07 * _Auron_ continues typing out his report. Jul 20 19:11:00 dkr, no! Jul 20 19:12:26 yooo TommyBres Jul 20 19:12:35 hi Jul 20 19:12:47 AakashPatel: i switched from JF to cyan, its sooo sweet... but my callerid still doesnt work Jul 20 19:13:08 heh Jul 20 19:14:58 actually having a hard time finding the real changelog Jul 20 19:15:54 kernal/omap had a change 17 hours ago according to git, but when I look at the log last change is 3 months ago. I suppose I should better familiarize myself with git Jul 20 19:17:15 is there a more convenient place to see the real details of what a system update is before installing it? or are these ota updates completely separate from the source.android project? Jul 20 19:18:30 i haven't had much luck finding a changelog except a list of the files included in the update... Jul 20 19:22:17 <_Auron_> there we go: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3324 Jul 20 19:28:51 hi all. Jul 20 19:28:52 just saw a forum post that said the Google OTA update kills root Jul 20 19:28:53 this true? Jul 20 19:29:21 has any of the devs had a look into the speech recognition features yet? Jul 20 19:30:16 * elementz is wondering if he could use android in a vm as a voice recognition server in a linux setup Jul 20 19:36:15 ... Jul 20 19:36:17 why Jul 20 19:36:21 lol Jul 20 19:44:32 hello Jul 20 19:47:41 I have some troubles to view stacktrace of by application in eclipse Jul 20 19:50:24 okay Jul 20 19:52:54 hm, nobody got any experience with the quality of vr on android? how good is it? Jul 20 19:53:23 not great Jul 20 19:53:25 but its okay Jul 20 19:54:23 hai thar interwebz Jul 20 19:54:46 AakashPatel: hmkay. guess ill have to check myself. Jul 20 19:55:49 elementz: ill upload one Jul 20 19:55:51 hold on Jul 20 19:55:58 AakashPatel: great thx Jul 20 19:58:03 http://www.speedyshare.com/391976687.html Jul 20 19:58:15 elementz: there's one Jul 20 19:58:16 <_Auron_> hmm Jul 20 19:58:24 <_Auron_> how do you set the orientation via code? Jul 20 19:58:34 :/ Jul 20 19:58:41 i usually set it in the manifest Jul 20 19:58:43 :P Jul 20 19:58:49 AakashPatel: thx for the effort! Jul 20 19:58:53 np Jul 20 19:59:46 so I received an OTA update last night and wasn't expecting one. kernel version 2.6.27-00393-g6607056 san@sandroid #1 build CRC1. what's this about? Jul 20 19:59:47 AakashPatel: ah dude Jul 20 19:59:55 is this 4chan or what? Jul 20 20:00:27 ? Jul 20 20:00:32 what? lol Jul 20 20:00:44 you sent me a video of some guy lighting a firecracker Jul 20 20:00:47 oh Jul 20 20:00:49 ha yea Jul 20 20:00:51 lol Jul 20 20:00:54 i took that vid Jul 20 20:00:58 lol Jul 20 20:01:02 AakashPatel: hey yo, u know the tools i need to play around with boot.img? Jul 20 20:01:08 nah man Jul 20 20:01:12 never tried lol Jul 20 20:01:31 anyone here knows how do i go about unpacking/repacking boot.img? Jul 20 20:01:39 hmm Jul 20 20:01:41 its just an img Jul 20 20:01:57 google "open .img" Jul 20 20:02:07 i dont think its that simple Jul 20 20:02:23 that might work to open it but when u i need to repack it again what will i do Jul 20 20:02:36 uhhh Jul 20 20:02:38 idk then lol Jul 20 20:04:29 please, someone ca help me to view the traces in eclipse? Jul 20 20:05:51 dtony: yea Jul 20 20:06:04 paste it Jul 20 20:06:12 errr Jul 20 20:06:15 pastebin it\ Jul 20 20:06:36 AakashPatel, euh my problem is that I can't see stacktraces when my app crash Jul 20 20:06:53 but I think I've just find Jul 20 20:07:06 uhh Jul 20 20:07:13 do you have that try catch stuff? Jul 20 20:07:26 e.printStackTrace(); Jul 20 20:07:28 so some shiz Jul 20 20:07:32 so/or Jul 20 20:07:36 hi there. anyone using handcent sms ? Jul 20 20:07:49 I just found logcat :p Jul 20 20:08:11 :| Jul 20 20:08:12 hahahha Jul 20 20:08:21 So, this is weird: the last time I called someone, it was on speakerphone by default. I went to the menu to disable it, and it didn't work. The menu icon looked like it was toggling, but I could never get out of speakerphone. Anyone have any ideas why this might have happened? Jul 20 20:08:33 i thought you were already lookin in there Jul 20 20:08:44 <_Auron_> fixed! Jul 20 20:08:48 savid: does it do it every time? Jul 20 20:08:50 or just that once? Jul 20 20:08:50 * _Auron_ takes the bugfix off his to-do list Jul 20 20:09:06 <_Auron_> this.setRequestedOrientation(ActivityInfo.SCREEN_ORIENTATION_LANDSCAPE); works Jul 20 20:09:14 oh sweet Jul 20 20:09:16 <_Auron_> no framerate cap Jul 20 20:09:32 <_Auron_> holy. fuck Jul 20 20:09:34 <_Auron_> it's 3PM Jul 20 20:09:36 noone using handcent? Jul 20 20:09:45 _Auron_ yea lol Jul 20 20:09:46 it seems like it fucked up my whole contacts table Jul 20 20:09:52 <_Auron_> I didn't sleep last night Jul 20 20:09:57 hah Jul 20 20:10:10 including com.android.acore which crashes every time it wants to do something with the contacts table Jul 20 20:10:16 pretty pissed right now Jul 20 20:10:22 the_alien: look at your gmail Jul 20 20:10:25 and look at contacts Jul 20 20:10:26 AakashPatel, as far as I know it was a fluke -- it hasn't happened since I called anyone else Jul 20 20:10:36 savid: then yeah Jul 20 20:10:39 just ignore it lol Jul 20 20:11:28 AakashPatel: oh i did, it's all there Jul 20 20:11:30 AakashPatel, yeah I'd just hate for it to happen again, ie, if I'm in public or something :-P Jul 20 20:12:18 the_alien: uhh Jul 20 20:12:30 then try clearing the data from some google crap in the app list Jul 20 20:12:35 err Jul 20 20:12:39 back up your contacts on gmail first lol Jul 20 20:13:09 savid: hah "hello?" "WTF ARE YOU DOING BITCH" Jul 20 20:14:32 AakashPatel: Caused by: android.database.sqlite.SQLiteException: duplicate column name: TEXT: CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS presence_db.presence (_id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY,person INTEGER REFERENCES people(_id), TEXT, TEXT, TEXT,mode INTEGER,status TEXT,UNIQUE(, , )); Jul 20 20:14:39 that doesn't sound good :/ Jul 20 20:15:26 try removing the contact data? Jul 20 20:15:28 i mean Jul 20 20:15:33 settings >apps> mangage> Jul 20 20:15:35 manage* Jul 20 20:15:47 What's new in the 1.5 update just pushed out? Jul 20 20:15:57 weird, the update broke my Home Toggle widget which was a shortcut to wi-fi settings Jul 20 20:16:14 perlmonkey2: I'm having a very hard time finding out Jul 20 20:16:21 security fix i believe Jul 20 20:16:33 adp's still havent got it :/ Jul 20 20:16:40 cyanogen does Jul 20 20:16:41 security fix? how many phones were exploited? Jul 20 20:16:54 idk Jul 20 20:17:03 i just heard that a few days ago by someone Jul 20 20:17:04 it says he used 1.5r3 Jul 20 20:17:15 hmmm mine? Jul 20 20:17:33 use wifi toggle widget Jul 20 20:17:36 and brightness toggle widget Jul 20 20:17:54 googing crc1 build doesn't find much Jul 20 20:18:08 android-sdk-mac_x86-1.5_r3.zip Jul 20 20:18:11 ...hmm Jul 20 20:18:12 uhmm Jul 20 20:18:15 security fix? Jul 20 20:18:22 http://developer.android.com/sdk/RELEASENOTES.html#1.5_r3 Jul 20 20:18:24 look Jul 20 20:18:24 from googles end wouldn't that mean like.. making it not so easy to root? Jul 20 20:18:25 :D Jul 20 20:18:47 nah Jul 20 20:18:58 * _Auron_ just made his menu system EVEN BETTER Jul 20 20:19:08 <_Auron_> well, one part of it. but I'll apply it to the rest of it Jul 20 20:19:17 what should i do from in the settings page, AakashPatel ? Jul 20 20:19:21 what did you do _Auron_ Jul 20 20:19:27 weird, I added a new Home Toggle widget and when it drew the icon for the new one the original icon reappeared(no icon and there was just a small grey circle like as if the name was an empty string) and now it works. Jul 20 20:19:32 _Auron_: YOU did? or the update did? Jul 20 20:19:48 <_Auron_> I did, for my game engine Jul 20 20:19:56 the_alien: uhh Jul 20 20:20:00 go to applications Jul 20 20:20:05 <_Auron_> my menu system is made from scratch and rendered in hardware openGL ES Jul 20 20:20:16 the_alien: did you back up your contacts first? Jul 20 20:20:25 <_Auron_> I'm not using android's UI at all. I'm not really using anything from android other than input Jul 20 20:20:26 "When an application requests access to device audio capture (through android.media.MediaRecorder), the RECORD_AUDIO permission check is now properly enforced." Jul 20 20:20:28 ahh so _Auron_ is one of those smart ppl Jul 20 20:20:28 yeah, the google contacts have been backed up Jul 20 20:20:29 :P Jul 20 20:20:42 the_alien: manage applications Jul 20 20:20:50 so apparently they watched the dark night and realized surreptitious use of mobile microphones can make a super-spy system Jul 20 20:21:10 AakashPatel: i'm in there, but what app? :D Jul 20 20:21:15 the_alien: then delete the data for stuff like google apps and stuff Jul 20 20:21:19 no Jul 20 20:21:20 wait Jul 20 20:21:22 contacts Jul 20 20:21:24 :) Jul 20 20:21:25 they're probably already doing that lol Jul 20 20:21:32 oh you mean contacts. alright Jul 20 20:21:36 yeah Jul 20 20:21:39 cell phones = video sonar frequency readers :P Jul 20 20:22:52 jpa--: plus the g1's magnetic field detection so it's like portable x-ray system a la the Totoal Recall airport scanner Jul 20 20:23:13 lol Jul 20 20:23:56 loll Jul 20 20:24:14 the future is now Jul 20 20:24:34 AakashPatel: won't help, the sync process keeps crashing Jul 20 20:24:43 uh Jul 20 20:24:47 then remove hte sync data Jul 20 20:24:52 and reboot the phone :) Jul 20 20:25:12 lemme find Jul 20 20:25:24 try "google apps" Jul 20 20:25:28 AakashPatel: link my google accounts. ready? go. Jul 20 20:25:42 lol Jul 20 20:25:49 done yet? Jul 20 20:26:14 lol Jul 20 20:26:17 im confused Jul 20 20:26:58 AakashPatel: best to just ignore me Jul 20 20:27:09 haha Jul 20 20:27:23 when the hell is HTC gonna release adp1 update Jul 20 20:27:34 my friends g1 already got it :| Jul 20 20:30:34 trying if a reboot helps after clearing data Jul 20 20:32:48 did you clear the google apps data? Jul 20 20:33:02 yeah Jul 20 20:33:08 but all this doesn't help Jul 20 20:33:17 wait Jul 20 20:33:20 did you reboot already? Jul 20 20:33:30 cuz it should have asked you for your user/password again Jul 20 20:33:52 AakashPatel: i just rebooted Jul 20 20:33:58 but it keeps crashing and crashing Jul 20 20:34:03 i can't do anything right now Jul 20 20:34:11 :/ Jul 20 20:34:12 can't even geht to the home screen Jul 20 20:34:14 wtf Jul 20 20:34:26 :| Jul 20 20:34:32 android.process.acore keeps crashing Jul 20 20:34:41 force close it lol Jul 20 20:34:53 always the same sqlite exception in logcat Jul 20 20:35:04 i AM force closing it Jul 20 20:35:04 JesusFreke: could i pm you? Jul 20 20:35:13 but how often should i do that :(/ Jul 20 20:35:57 lol Jul 20 20:35:59 wtf Jul 20 20:36:05 your fone is broked Jul 20 20:36:10 yeah Jul 20 20:36:16 have to wipe it now i guess Jul 20 20:36:22 i suppose :/ Jul 20 20:36:24 ew Jul 20 20:36:29 should do more backups Jul 20 20:37:01 *sigh* Jul 20 20:37:31 :/ Jul 20 20:40:32 i hate wipes :/ Jul 20 20:51:48 romainguy: still no word from anyone at google re: joining OHA. Anyone else have any pointers on joining? This is going to slow down our schedule if it does not get resolved soon. Jul 20 20:52:13 how does one join OHA? all the website shows is an email link. So I email, and get no reply. Jul 20 20:52:22 * TimRiker emails again for good measure. Jul 20 20:55:33 TimRiker: what do you do? Jul 20 20:56:43 AakashPatel: I'm the CTO of Saygus. launching a cdma/ev-do handset on verizon this year. or I would be if google would reply re OHA membership. The hardware is about to enter verizon labs for certification. Jul 20 20:57:19 Sweet Jul 20 20:57:45 TimRiker: *cough* any pictures? haha Jul 20 20:58:26 where can i get fastboot binaries for mac? Jul 20 20:58:31 TimRiker: somewhat surprised there isn't NDA stuff involved with even the existence of it Jul 20 20:58:37 AakashPatel: not posting publicly yet. Though I did show the current mockup at the Linux Symposium in Montreal last week. /me pokes bartman. :) Jul 20 20:58:47 refreshing Jul 20 20:59:13 Qwell: this close to ship? no. there have been NDAs but it's starting to get talked about more publicly now. Jul 20 20:59:26 you know/allowed to say around when release is? Jul 20 20:59:38 however, talking to google has been like talking to a brick wall. Jul 20 20:59:44 hah Jul 20 20:59:50 verizon on the other hand calls me on the phone all the time. Jul 20 20:59:54 TimRiker: how would you get the Google apps? Jul 20 20:59:56 and stuff? Jul 20 21:00:01 gmail/cal/etc? Jul 20 21:00:16 uh, um, we have them, uh, um, from someplace. Jul 20 21:00:27 ohh gotcha ;) Jul 20 21:01:00 is it "easy" to get them? or do you have to ask google and people? Jul 20 21:01:02 if you can say lol Jul 20 21:01:13 * AakashPatel is squeezing every drop of info out of TimRiker Jul 20 21:01:19 can't ship that way though. I don't understand why I can't seem to find someone with a brain at google. well, someone with a brain that can get the agreement in place. I find plenty of developers with brains. Jul 20 21:01:36 :/ Jul 20 21:01:45 And you already contacted them about joining the OHA? Jul 20 21:01:49 heh Jul 20 21:02:19 I send emails over the wall, I talk to devs, I try to get someone who can setup OHA membership, but alas, to no avail. Jul 20 21:02:41 like a say. it's like talking to a brick wall. Jul 20 21:02:57 thats...really dumb Jul 20 21:03:15 if they want to spread android, they just "might" wanna answer emails Jul 20 21:04:40 you say "spread android" like it's an STD Jul 20 21:05:09 spread it like butter Jul 20 21:05:38 TommyBres: i never said it wasnt Jul 20 21:06:10 AakashPatel: oh, I didn't answer the date question. the plan is to have this handset out q4 2009 Jul 20 21:06:24 cool Jul 20 21:06:29 LOL Jul 20 21:06:35 noone would ever believe Jul 20 21:06:42 went into my backup folder Jul 20 21:06:50 found a lot of pics from a digi cam Jul 20 21:07:06 clicked a pic to see what this is. and it shows a girl topless Jul 20 21:07:09 nice Jul 20 21:07:15 all pictures are from this girl Jul 20 21:07:20 dude, i had plenty of those pics, like, 20 folders with lots of pics Jul 20 21:07:22 i don't know where this pics come from Jul 20 21:07:24 ...and my phone Jul 20 21:07:26 removed Jul 20 21:07:29 every picture Jul 20 21:07:31 from my sdcard Jul 20 21:07:57 any google folks around? Can I get a name/phone of a human to talk to re OHA membership? please? Jul 20 21:08:19 * TimRiker plans to keep asking anywhere he can. Jul 20 21:08:43 why do you *need* to be a member of the OHA btw? Jul 20 21:08:51 TommyBres: yeah, but finding pictures of a mother and here 25 (wild guess) year old daughter (topless) in a pool Jul 20 21:08:52 Who do we contact to learn about joining the Open Handset Alliance? Jul 20 21:08:54 Email us at info@openhandsetalliance.com Jul 20 21:08:58 timriker, take a look Jul 20 21:09:10 if you'd read the FAQ on openhandsetalliance.com that's what it tells you Jul 20 21:09:38 lmao Jul 20 21:09:40 TommyBres: emailed info@openhandsetalliance.com anout 6 times of the the last 2 months. no reply from anyone. are you sure someone actually reads those? Jul 20 21:09:42 ill bet he already ddid Jul 20 21:09:48 s/anout/about/ Jul 20 21:10:02 timriker if they don't read emails why would they answer calls :) Jul 20 21:10:08 TimRiker: why do you *need* to become an OHA member? Jul 20 21:10:16 hence my looking for an actual human. Jul 20 21:10:18 wow Jul 20 21:10:30 sweeterHome is pretty awesome - made me hate my g1 a lot less in a blink Jul 20 21:10:48 romainguy_: my understanding is that in order to (legally) ship google maps / google market, I need to be in OHA. Jul 20 21:11:04 I don't think so Jul 20 21:11:09 palm pre has google maps >.< Jul 20 21:11:13 you need an agreement Jul 20 21:11:16 so duz teh ifone Jul 20 21:11:17 but I don't think it's tied to the OHA Jul 20 21:11:22 anyway I forwarded your email Jul 20 21:11:33 I think you'd better say that in your email rather than you want to be in teh OHA Jul 20 21:11:41 romainguy_: ok, who do I talk too to get an "agreement" ? Jul 20 21:11:54 like I said, I forwarded your email Jul 20 21:12:11 yep. so have a few other devs for me. no reply from anyone yet. Jul 20 21:12:24 lol ;_; Jul 20 21:12:26 can anyone confirm whether or not the OTA update affects root (or other flashes such as updated SPL or Radio?) ? Jul 20 21:12:31 * TommyBres starts playing the world's smallest violin Jul 20 21:12:50 jpa--: you cannot flash OTA updates on rooted phones Jul 20 21:12:54 see previous brick wall comment. devs talk to me. "agreement" or OHA people seem to be unreachable. Jul 20 21:13:09 timriker, what's this phone that you're planning all about Jul 20 21:13:14 jpa--: normal OTA kills root, yes. Jul 20 21:13:24 throw me a bone so i know what i'm lookin at :P Jul 20 21:13:32 TimRiker: he can't flash them Jul 20 21:13:34 im sure there'll be modded OTA updates available for root users? Jul 20 21:13:36 keys won't fit Jul 20 21:14:04 jpa-- no, by getting root and modifying your firmware you do not get OTA updates Jul 20 21:14:14 jpa--: the JK installer can pull down images and flash them. not really OTA though. Jul 20 21:14:25 jk installer? Jul 20 21:14:27 whassat Jul 20 21:14:31 JF Installer Jul 20 21:14:37 in the market Jul 20 21:14:44 respective JF Updater not installer Jul 20 21:14:47 oh so since i rooted, i probably won't even be notified of updates on my phone? Jul 20 21:14:55 jpa--: nope Jul 20 21:14:59 KEYS WON'T FIT Jul 20 21:15:16 so the mobile downloads them, checks them, sees a wrong key and deletes them Jul 20 21:15:23 TommyBres: it's a full featured smartphone. wifi, bluetooth, hi-res camera, keyboard, microsd, usb OTG, etc. Jul 20 21:15:45 capacitive screen? any idea on the memory specs? :) Jul 20 21:16:17 * TimRiker nods. capacitive touchscreen. 256M/128M specs at present. Jul 20 21:16:26 TimRiker: don't forget the hi-res screen Jul 20 21:16:31 :) Jul 20 21:16:38 Hi all Jul 20 21:16:47 hmm if android doesnt allow native installation to the sd card, that 256 rom is gonna be an issue Jul 20 21:16:49 What is the first line of an android shell script? Jul 20 21:16:50 ok, 800x480 display, now that bartman mentions it. :) Jul 20 21:16:57 :) wvga ftw Jul 20 21:17:01 it doesn't have bash so what is it? Jul 20 21:17:13 Ace2017_-: #!/bin/sh ? Jul 20 21:17:14 TommyBres: will include the run-from sd changes out of the box. Jul 20 21:17:24 awesome Jul 20 21:17:35 o.o Jul 20 21:17:36 what company is it coming from, so i can stop bugging you and wait patiently until i hear about it? :) Jul 20 21:17:36 woah Jul 20 21:17:39 Qwell: i just at that very moment saw sh: bash: not found Jul 20 21:17:46 thanks Jul 20 21:18:18 TommyBres: US company and branding is Saygus. offshore manf has not been made public yet. Jul 20 21:18:21 am i wrong in thinking that if i wanted the unlock code for my phone i could get it no problem Jul 20 21:18:33 Caleb, no Jul 20 21:18:36 Saygus eh? i'll keep an eye out for it Jul 20 21:18:40 that sucks Jul 20 21:18:47 KNY: well i tried Jul 20 21:18:55 Caleb: I had t-mobile unlock mine. they have a 90 day contract requirement by default. Jul 20 21:19:15 so have to be with em for 90 days before they will unlock it Jul 20 21:19:19 Caleb, uh, you asked if you were wrong in thinking that. I said no, you're wrong as in "yes, you can unlock it." Jul 20 21:19:21 is what youre saying Jul 20 21:19:28 ohh lol Jul 20 21:19:31 threw me off Jul 20 21:20:41 my next question Jul 20 21:20:59 besides being able to maybe use a sim card from att what would be the point of unlocking my phone Jul 20 21:21:19 no other point Jul 20 21:21:30 is 1.5_r2 the security update that came out right after 1.5 or is that what I got the OTA for this morning? Jul 20 21:21:41 tgz_, the OTA is r3 Jul 20 21:21:52 (AFAIK) Jul 20 21:21:58 that's it for the carrier unlock. to let you use sims from other carriers. Jul 20 21:22:02 r3 should also enable you to use adb with the Samsung Android phone Jul 20 21:22:05 is there any good location for the changelog? all the system update said was "security update" Jul 20 21:22:07 but even unlocked it won't work with a t-mobile sim that has a standard t-mobile data plan. you need to have a t-mobile _g1_ data plan. Jul 20 21:22:32 TimRiker, you say that like it's a bad thing Jul 20 21:22:40 TimRiker: that's not true Jul 20 21:22:51 I apparently have a blackberry plan on the sim I'm using in my g1 Jul 20 21:23:14 KNY: that my t-mobile sim with a data plan works in every gsm phone I have except a g1 or adp1? yeah, I'd call that a Bad Thing. Jul 20 21:23:38 TimRiker: it works fine. however, tmobile are capable of noticing the discrepancy and complaining at you about it Jul 20 21:24:38 benley: really? my sim works fine in every blackberry I've tried but NOT in my g1. it takes me to a t-mobile site (over edge) asking me to "upgrade" my data plan. and refuses to allow me to access anything else. Jul 20 21:25:17 the "upgraded" plan kills my routable IP, imposes bandwidth limits, and costs more than my current t-mobile plan. Jul 20 21:25:29 so I use an at&t sim with data plan and it works fine. Jul 20 21:26:07 lololol Jul 20 21:26:10 t-mo ftl Jul 20 21:26:24 TimRiker: awesome, I'm anxiously awaiting 800x480 android Jul 20 21:26:37 TimRiker: Weird, I wonder if they're doing transparent proxy stuff. Jul 20 21:26:42 spikebike: :) me too. :) Jul 20 21:26:45 jpa-- t4c btw, my JF-1.51 phone got the update notification, download, and verified Jul 20 21:27:03 TimRiker: hopefully more ram than a g1 to make good use of it Jul 20 21:27:07 kRutOn: seems to be the normal spoofed redirect like a paid wifi location would do. Jul 20 21:27:15 spikebike he said 128 ram, 256 rom :\ Jul 20 21:27:21 oh, doh Jul 20 21:27:22 TimRiker: Is that just with HTTP traffic or you can't use ConnectBot or anything? Jul 20 21:27:26 missed that Jul 20 21:27:30 the 128 ram is fine if video is handled independently Jul 20 21:27:33 TimRiker: blackberry plans are supposedly not normal data plans Jul 20 21:27:39 and the rom wont be a problem as long as apps are on sd Jul 20 21:27:49 kRutOn: correct. well, not really "correct" imho, but accurate anyway. Jul 20 21:27:55 TimRiker: that said, I've got some sort of blackberry data plan on my sim and it works in my g1 Jul 20 21:28:00 jpa-- t4c I get nagged about it quite often Jul 20 21:28:19 TimRiker: I guess you could change your User-Agent to get around that silliness. Jul 20 21:28:28 benley: mine is what they used to sell as the blackberry "vpn" plan. where "vpn" adds the routable IP address. Jul 20 21:28:37 TimRiker: aha Jul 20 21:28:57 I take it they don't offer that anymore? Jul 20 21:29:05 again, that plan works great in all my other gsm devices (and I have a lot) just not on a g1 or adp1. Jul 20 21:29:09 is it possible that you just need to configure a different apn on the g1 to work with that plan? Jul 20 21:29:18 benley: correct. or.. again accurate. Jul 20 21:29:42 benley: I get the redirect after filling in the correct apn info. Jul 20 21:29:50 weird. Jul 20 21:30:24 seems to be that t-mobile is doing a bang up job of alienating any developers that could be helping them make money. Jul 20 21:31:55 kRutOn: hmm.. I think I've tried opera on it with the same effect. I know I've tried ssh with connectbot and not gotten through to anywhere. all these work fine just changing to the at&t sim and apn info. Jul 20 21:32:23 TimRiker, I would wager that people who have the same problem that you do are under 0.1% of their customer base Jul 20 21:32:39 not that it shouldn't be fixed, but I doubt that they're losing as much money as you think Jul 20 21:32:48 TimRiker: Hm, I guess it has to be at the PDSN level if that's true. Seems pretty risky. Jul 20 21:33:02 KNY: I would wager that the percentage is much higher for developers. ie: those that could be helping t-mobile the most. Jul 20 21:33:32 Well, whatever the PDSN equivalent is for GSM Jul 20 21:34:06 TimRiker, you're still the first person I've ever seen in here that has had this problem, so I'll up my estimate an order of magnitude. 1% still isn't enough to lose any sleep over Jul 20 21:34:21 I called in to 2nd tier support and tried to find someone with a brain, but the only answer was to "upgrade" my plan to the more expensive one that looses my routable IP. They don't have a routable ip g1 dataplan apparently. Jul 20 21:34:29 hell, even if it was 10% of developers, I doubt they'd care Jul 20 21:34:53 even if it was 100%, I doubt they would "care". Jul 20 21:45:53 i "care". Jul 20 21:49:58 KNY: pong Jul 20 21:50:10 TimRiker: woah! bzflag! Jul 20 21:50:36 TimRiker: good luck on your phone! Jul 20 21:50:47 warewolf: the important question - will bzflag run on it? :) Jul 20 21:50:53 so no ones know how to unpack and repack boot images? Jul 20 21:51:01 TommyBres: thx. but as you are on froma verizon ip, I'm betting you don't work at t-mobile. thx anyway. :) Jul 20 21:51:27 warewolf: really though - he's done quite a bit Jul 20 21:51:46 timriker i'm on my home interwebs now Jul 20 21:51:48 Qwell: I do have bzflag running on opengl-es, so eventually I get it running under android. it's not high on my priority list at present though. :/ Jul 20 21:51:48 verizon FIOS ftw Jul 20 21:51:49 Qwell: yes, I know of him quite well, and his multiple levels of awesomeness. I have not one, but *two* tuxscreens :) Jul 20 21:51:55 TimRiker: awesome Jul 20 21:52:02 warewolf: yeah, I wish those had taken off... Jul 20 21:52:06 timriker++ Jul 20 21:52:08 i dont use verizon wireless (obviously) Jul 20 21:52:12 * TimRiker grins Jul 20 21:52:17 .oO( Damn, I should remove the highlight in my IRC-Client which responds to the name of my employer ) Jul 20 21:52:38 VERIZON Jul 20 21:52:48 TommyBres: Pff. Jul 20 21:52:48 APPLE Jul 20 21:52:50 MICROSOFT Jul 20 21:52:54 lol Jul 20 21:52:54 warewolf: also something about freeing some code or something.. :D Jul 20 21:53:04 Eimann get me a Motorola Calgary Jul 20 21:53:09 and convert it to GSM, and make it free Jul 20 21:53:22 TommyBres: I'm with VzB, not VzW ;) Jul 20 21:53:31 ah Jul 20 21:53:37 B = ? Jul 20 21:53:42 bidness? Jul 20 21:53:44 Eimann: what can you do to get me fios? It's literally two blocks away from me. Jul 20 21:53:51 Eimann: and I've been waiting a year! Jul 20 21:53:56 warewolf, move 2 blocks Jul 20 21:53:56 MEOW Jul 20 21:54:07 I am still in the Optimum Online world. Jul 20 21:54:08 TommyBres: I did that to get away from my old roommates. Jul 20 21:54:14 hahah Jul 20 21:54:31 I get free tickets to Clearview Cinemas on Tuesdays. Jul 20 21:55:11 i saw bruno last night Jul 20 21:55:30 HILAAAARIOUS... a little too gay for my liking in some parts, but funny nonetheless Jul 20 21:56:05 warewolf: Call 1-888-591-6076 and ask them every day about availability ;) Jul 20 21:56:11 lol Jul 20 21:56:30 FIOS was available last fall according to when they told me it would be (near my mom's house)... it's still not actually available Jul 20 21:56:40 Eimann: they last quoted me two years, one year ago. Jul 20 21:56:53 RAWR! warewolf Jul 20 21:56:58 warewolf: Hmm, that's bad, then Jul 20 21:57:06 vampires own warewolves Jul 20 21:57:07 Eimann: oh, and it *really* doesn't help when their web page "Tell me when Fios is in my area" is broken. Jul 20 21:57:12 I don't know what their roadmaps for rolling out fios stuff is Jul 20 21:57:32 Eimann: I think that VZ is "done" deploying fios in my area for the time being Jul 20 21:57:52 the thing that really irks me is I'm paying through the nose for crappy cable, when I *had* fios and loved it. Jul 20 21:58:01 they won't let me give them money :( Jul 20 22:00:21 anyone have a 1.5r3 changelog? Jul 20 22:00:24 cant seem to find any info Jul 20 22:01:57 http://developer.android.com/sdk/RELEASENOTES.html#1.5_r3 Jul 20 22:02:42 isnt that sdk only? Jul 20 22:03:03 it has info about the image there, too Jul 20 22:03:08 that's why it's so hard to find, heh Jul 20 22:03:28 so the only changes are 2 permission checks? Jul 20 22:03:43 you'd think it woul dbe in the section called "system image version notes" Jul 20 22:04:11 i only see what you see Jul 20 22:10:18 i wonder if anyone has succeded in a powerpc binary of adp ? Jul 20 22:11:19 powerpc ftl Jul 20 22:12:21 ohgood: is that...possible? Jul 20 22:13:44 AakashPatel: asking a question to someone who put a question mark after a statement is usually not going to get you anywhere Jul 20 22:13:53 wtf Jul 20 22:13:57 oh Jul 20 22:13:59 haha Jul 20 22:14:01 good point Jul 20 22:14:06 :) Jul 20 22:15:02 not necessarily a statement. maybe he isn't sure if he is wondering or not. Jul 20 22:15:27 haha Jul 20 22:15:35 "am i wondering if the ppc binary has been worked out?" Jul 20 22:16:15 ;__; Jul 20 22:17:37 i'll take that as no Jul 20 22:17:55 maybeh Jul 20 22:27:52 who here has an HTC Magic w/ Rogers ? Jul 20 22:28:14 you do. Jul 20 22:28:57 touche Jul 20 22:29:05 anyone ELSE? Jul 20 22:29:10 hehe :) Jul 20 22:29:11 of 423 ppl, im the only one? i find that doubtful Jul 20 22:29:24 but 420 are lurkers Jul 20 22:29:37 =) Jul 20 22:29:42 * neonfreon rants about canada Jul 20 22:29:56 * jpa-- rants about North America and western culture Jul 20 22:30:11 jpa--: why don't you just ask? :) Jul 20 22:30:14 * TommyBres doesn't need to rant to canada, they know who's better Jul 20 22:30:33 yup Jul 20 22:30:35 hey guys .. anything happening in san fran now through thurs? Jul 20 22:30:36 europeans and asians Jul 20 22:30:49 in san fran on business again :) Jul 20 22:30:53 VJTachyon, I hear there'll be rain sometime before then Jul 20 22:31:02 blunden: just ask what? Jul 20 22:31:20 got enuff of that in jersey and europe recently :p Jul 20 22:31:30 im trying to find someone whos tried more than one Hero rom and knows which one is the better of the hero roms. Jul 20 22:31:30 for htc magic though Jul 20 22:31:52 well, predicting rain in SF is like a 9 out of 10 chance, but it's actually partly cloudy through thursday >.< Jul 20 22:31:58 you'll have beautiful weather if weather.com is to be believed Jul 20 22:32:25 well its beautiful out in benicia here Jul 20 22:32:50 PSH, you're barely moving for your "business trip" Jul 20 22:32:59 that's what, an hour and a half drive? Jul 20 22:33:14 not even, like 45 mins :P Jul 20 22:33:44 jpa--: ok Jul 20 22:34:10 heh ... new jersey to benicia? Jul 20 22:34:10 hai thar jpa-- Jul 20 22:34:25 <_Auron|G1_> hmm Jul 20 22:34:39 jpa--: i has magic with rogers, whats up? Jul 20 22:34:50 7am flight out of newark and work most of a day is lame Jul 20 22:34:56 <_Auron|G1_> menu of stroids should have asteroids floating around in the background Jul 20 22:36:03 where is san .. we need to hang out. he live only a lil ways from here. i think my hotel is even closer .. maybe i should just call him Jul 20 22:36:37 TommyBres: u happen to know how to extract boot images? Jul 20 22:36:57 ....umwut Jul 20 22:37:06 a boot.img file? no Jul 20 22:37:13 yeah, kthxbai Jul 20 22:37:22 <_Auron|G1_> lol Jul 20 22:37:29 oh VJTachyon i thought you meant you were in benicia now Jul 20 22:38:42 argh i am. flew in from jersey this morning Jul 20 22:39:37 k4r1m: aren't they mountable? Jul 20 22:42:09 anyway back to work ... google talk me with san fran events this week .. beer is good :) .. djtachyon@gmail Jul 20 22:47:54 VJTachyon - are you wasted at the bar? Jul 20 22:51:06 i wish i was wasted at a bar. too bad stone is in san diego. Jul 20 22:51:42 yo what's good guys. i got a quick question. i'm installing the new hero rom and i wanted to know if i have to install the radio and spl before installing the rom or if i can install the rom first. Jul 20 22:55:26 working on key layout... comments? http://rikers.org/tmp/Keys.html Jul 20 23:05:02 hello, can anyone tell me what the latest G1 build number is? i was comparing mine to others people and we all have the same firmware ver. but diff build numbers, is this normal? Jul 20 23:07:55 i keep having issues where my data connection kicks off IM programs and such even when my signal is fine so i'm not sure if this is a build issue and if I need an update or something or if the phone sleeps after a while which causes this to happen? Jul 20 23:12:47 hi all Jul 20 23:12:56 where is the full dmesg output kept? Jul 20 23:13:03 warewolf, you still around? Jul 20 23:13:25 nopers Jul 20 23:13:44 mind if i /msg? Jul 20 23:20:15 KNY: btw, I don't mind if anyone /msg's me. Jul 20 23:24:11 the gmail client's method of threading by subject rather than the proper In-Reply-To: header does not mesh well with my gf's habit of sending e-mail with blank subject lines Jul 20 23:28:27 oh, maybe she is replying to old messages and just deleting the quoted text when she starts a new topic. so it is using actually using In-Reply-To Jul 20 23:28:39 TimRiker: ? Jul 20 23:28:40 you around ? Jul 20 23:29:31 yeah, that was it. the subject is actually "Re:" and gmail client deletes the Re: part Jul 20 23:37:04 hello Jul 20 23:45:40 TimRiker: check your email Jul 20 23:46:41 romainguy FTW Jul 20 23:48:02 anyone know any good places to get roms for snesoid? Jul 20 23:48:35 <_Auron_> the internet Jul 20 23:49:25 where do I find that Jul 20 23:50:17 <_Auron_> google? the internet is a big place. Jul 20 23:51:21 kiqyou: dump the rom from your cartridges :) Jul 20 23:51:37 Ive googled it. just wondering if anyone knows of any good sites Jul 20 23:51:58 kiqyou: this is not the right place to talk about this kind of thing Jul 20 23:52:02 kiqyou: yes, and they shared that knowledge in the web Jul 20 23:52:18 if not, its cool. just thought id ask Jul 20 23:52:59 umm where do I go to discuss android apps Jul 20 23:53:21 i'd say, here? Jul 20 23:53:35 orrr Jul 20 23:53:38 #android-dev Jul 20 23:53:40 ;) Jul 20 23:53:42 no. Jul 20 23:53:45 not #android-dev. Jul 20 23:53:47 wut? Jul 20 23:53:49 ohhhh Jul 20 23:53:51 I was just. tod Jul 20 23:54:02 jasta: i thought me meant developoing apps XD Jul 20 23:54:06 onoes they left Jul 20 23:54:07 no you didn't ;) Jul 20 23:54:14 wb Jul 20 23:54:16 :P Jul 20 23:55:01 so rude people these days Jul 20 23:55:03 XD Jul 20 23:55:23 I was just told this wasn't the right place to talk. about it? Jul 20 23:55:35 thanks Jul 20 23:56:24 how many people here knew snesoid is an android app? Jul 20 23:56:28 duicuss usesor discuss writing apps? Jul 20 23:58:14 <_Auron|G1_> I have snesoid Jul 20 23:58:40 <_Auron|G1_> so I do Jul 20 23:59:00 kiqyou, this is not the right place to talk about finding ROMs Jul 20 23:59:06 ... Jul 20 23:59:11 KNY: jasta sadi taht ;) Jul 20 23:59:14 heck iunno. didn't mean to cause any drama Jul 20 23:59:21 ...rudely :) Jul 20 23:59:40 * AakashPatel makes humor :P Jul 20 23:59:42 right, I was clarifying. Meh, whatever Jul 20 23:59:47 lol Jul 20 23:59:51 <_Auron|G1_> ROMs are a touchy subject Jul 21 00:00:05 1 4m 31337, g1mm3 r0ms & w4rez, d00dz! Jul 21 00:00:10 haha Jul 21 00:00:15 <_Auron|G1_> unfortunately I know where to get anything. very easily. Jul 21 00:00:24 _Auron|G1_, yeah, the internet. Jul 21 00:00:38 <_Auron|G1_> yep. :) Jul 21 00:00:39 I just had a flashback to irc of the early 90s Jul 21 00:01:26 well, BBSs Jul 21 00:01:35 right :) Jul 21 00:02:07 hmmm irc dates back to 1988 apparently, i though it was younger Jul 21 00:02:38 well there was bitnet I suspect 99% of such usage was bitnet before irc started Jul 21 00:09:10 the days of scrollz Jul 21 00:11:20 hm, is there any way to use my android camera as a bluetooth camera? /me scratches head Jul 21 00:12:27 short answer: no Jul 21 00:13:22 long answer: patches welcome Jul 21 00:13:47 haha :) Jul 21 00:13:59 * foo saw that option on his msi wind netbook ... thought it'd be cool Jul 21 00:14:11 i was just at the phone store, looking for an android phone, and i plan to develop apps on/for it. i was told that the G1 is basically as good as the magic(mytouch), and that i might prefer the G1. when/how is that not correct? Jul 21 00:14:29 hi Jul 21 00:14:44 if you want keyboard get a g1 Jul 21 00:14:50 if not consider the mytouch Jul 21 00:15:03 is that the primary difference? Jul 21 00:15:06 everyone wants a keyboard, some people just don't realize it Jul 21 00:15:11 heh Jul 21 00:15:15 yeah Jul 21 00:15:16 consider touching me Jul 21 00:15:30 I think the memory is the same, but there are htc magics with more ram Jul 21 00:15:42 g1=192, some magics = 288 Jul 21 00:16:14 i don't think the t-mobile ones have more ram Jul 21 00:16:30 but they do have more flash rom, afaik Jul 21 00:16:43 heh Jul 21 00:16:59 well with 8GB sd cards at $15 I don't worry too much about storage... assuming you have root Jul 21 00:17:08 yeah, I don't know what they were smoking when they decided how much flash to put in the g1 Jul 21 00:17:16 i also heard that the G1 + 1.5 does A2DP for stereo headsets.. is that correct? Jul 21 00:17:31 it does. but only media/music Jul 21 00:17:38 you can't do phone calls over a2dp Jul 21 00:17:45 ya, I believe so, they can't however send a mp3 to a bt earpiece 8-( Jul 21 00:17:52 (mono) Jul 21 00:18:18 oh good my phone stopped bugging me about wanting to update Jul 21 00:18:29 what did you change? Jul 21 00:18:38 I wish my phone would bug me to update. *sigh* Jul 21 00:18:51 didn't change anything Jul 21 00:19:16 romainguy: thx! Jul 21 00:19:22 JesusFreke: did they release adp's update yet? Jul 21 00:19:25 JesusFreke: what, it can't use the non-a2dp protocol for phone calls? Jul 21 00:19:28 not that I'm aware of Jul 21 00:19:30 :/ Jul 21 00:19:35 JesusFreke: most bluetooth stereo headsets support both Jul 21 00:19:36 nope Jul 21 00:19:51 zinx: yes, you can use the non-a2dp protocol Jul 21 00:20:11 JesusFreke: but if i have one headset that will do music and then also phone, i don't have to have an earpiece for calls, and a plug-in headset for music :) Jul 21 00:20:42 =) Jul 21 00:24:35 * kc8pxy is getting a g1 ASAP :) what differences from OEM can i expect if i root my G1 with JF's latest? Jul 21 00:25:07 the only one i KNOW of is that they won't support me anymore :) Jul 21 00:26:04 infinite download of CRC1? Jul 21 00:28:29 are the ops on ##windows a little more dickish than any other channel Jul 21 00:29:01 could it be the fraustration of using windows Jul 21 00:29:18 most ops of most chans are quite dickish if it's a little online social beaurocracy lol Jul 21 00:29:24 #politics on efnet is LOL Jul 21 00:29:34 in terms of retarded/dickish ops Jul 21 00:30:07 really, i only have issues, in ##windows Jul 21 00:30:12 no other channel Jul 21 00:30:54 politics in general is lol Jul 21 00:30:55 jpa--, I love how they have 12 ops for 186 total Jul 21 00:31:06 kny Jul 21 00:31:10 its efnet Jul 21 00:31:14 half are bots Jul 21 00:31:16 haha Jul 21 00:31:29 Hey everyone, I need a bit of help! I had a copy of RC 30 or something, rooted, and wasn't able to update to cupcake, it seems. Jul 21 00:31:42 12 is pretty fucking low to prevent botnet take overs Jul 21 00:31:53 I updated it, using the commands in the bootloader to wipe and upse update.zip, but I'm still at firmware 1.1 somehow. Jul 21 00:32:19 try again? Jul 21 00:32:28 yes try again Jul 21 00:32:32 make sure you have the right update? Jul 21 00:33:15 make sure it actually says installed, ive had it error and just ignored it before Jul 21 00:33:19 freenode has services Jul 21 00:33:23 serious, one time i was banned from windows for suggesting runnig as none admin will prevent most viruses from being effective Jul 21 00:33:30 you can't get takenover Jul 21 00:33:35 unless someone takes over the server or something Jul 21 00:33:38 the dick said i was spreading false info Jul 21 00:33:39 which has happened! Jul 21 00:33:49 Hm Jul 21 00:33:50 i was talking about efnet Jul 21 00:33:53 oh Jul 21 00:33:56 it also has chanfix Jul 21 00:34:04 so you can't get taken over there very easily either Jul 21 00:34:07 am talking about ##windows Jul 21 00:34:14 twois10, um that wouldnt work Jul 21 00:34:31 Gary|G1: what wouldnt work? Jul 21 00:34:37 just like the root concept in nix has failed to stop viruses for all these years Jul 21 00:34:46 clearly. Jul 21 00:35:15 Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places or following the wrong directions. Does someone have a download for cupcake, root access included? Jul 21 00:35:28 rimdar Jul 21 00:35:37 Gary|G1: if a virus has no admin permission, its very difficult for it to damage the system Jul 21 00:35:47 twois10, wrong Jul 21 00:35:56 jf.odiness.com Jul 21 00:36:00 it can disable the user/home Jul 21 00:36:01 twois10, well, let me clarify: that doesn't mean it's not damaging Jul 21 00:36:07 grab the latest version Jul 21 00:36:14 twois10, I wouldn't give a crap if it hosed /bin or /usr Jul 21 00:36:15 KNY explain Jul 21 00:36:25 twois10, rm -rf ~ would be far far far worse Jul 21 00:36:30 ok thanks Jul 21 00:36:45 agreed kny Jul 21 00:36:51 but meh Jul 21 00:36:54 since the phone appears to still be rooted, I think, do I just need to throw that on as update.zip and run the boot thing again? Jul 21 00:37:01 still much safer than windows Jul 21 00:37:08 yes, try it Jul 21 00:37:18 you flashed the recovery kny right? Jul 21 00:37:19 KNY how can a virus with only a user permission execute rm /bin Jul 21 00:37:22 Gary|G1, oh don't get me wrong, I agree completely. But the whole "no root == no risk" thing is bogus Jul 21 00:37:36 twois10, even if it had root was my point Jul 21 00:37:38 hmm Jul 21 00:37:42 is k4r1m here Jul 21 00:37:45 i can root you Jul 21 00:37:57 are you coming on to me, neonfreon ? Jul 21 00:38:21 KNY, so my point is still valid, it wont disable the system. but only the /home/user Jul 21 00:38:39 kny, I love how your tv app beats the official one. Jul 21 00:38:46 gv* Jul 21 00:39:04 Gary|G1, ahaha yeah that kind of suprised me. I'm working on making it better, too :)\ Jul 21 00:40:01 sms should merge all convos from the same contact, imo Jul 21 00:40:11 like the real sms app Jul 21 00:40:39 Gary|G1, I just parse what Google displays. Jul 21 00:40:53 I know :p Jul 21 00:41:40 Gary|G1: the iPhone google voice app is probably better Jul 21 00:41:41 why am i still on my phone Jul 21 00:41:51 brb grabbing laptop Jul 21 00:42:36 zinx, I keep pretty regular contact with Sean (GV Mobile author) Jul 21 00:46:24 zinx, probably Jul 21 00:46:30 but at the end of the day Jul 21 00:46:38 it's still an iPhone :/ Jul 21 00:47:02 Well. Jul 21 00:47:08 I am still waiting for the iPhone I can dual boot Android on. Jul 21 00:49:34 Eight inches ... Nine, and still growing. His erection was now Jul 21 00:49:34 half as thick as his own wrist as -with a grunt of sexual ecstasy- he Jul 21 00:49:34 began to spurt enormous quantities of cum into Christa's throat. Jul 21 00:49:34 Greedily, she slurped and sucked on him as the tingle began to fade. Drop Jul 21 00:49:34 by drop, she tried to stem the stream, but enormous quantities spilled out Jul 21 00:49:36 from around her mouth. Nearly a minute passed, as Curt reached and Jul 21 00:49:39 exceeded ten inches. Still sucking down as much of his cum as she could, Jul 21 00:49:41 someone ban please Jul 21 00:49:42 Christa squeezed his balls tightly, as if wringing every drop out of him. Jul 21 00:49:44 this guy is a maniac Jul 21 00:49:44 Spurting over her lips, face and hair, Curt's orgasm gradually subsided, Jul 21 00:49:46 leaving him still shaking with pleasure. Jul 21 00:49:49 Gasping for air, Christa wiped her mouth on the back of her hand Jul 21 00:49:52 and looked at Curt, stunned. "That's ... that's some experiment!" she Jul 21 00:49:54 gasped. Jul 21 00:49:57 Curt looked at his erection, amazed. "I thought it had stopped Jul 21 00:49:59 earlier... My God, I'm huge!" Tentatively, he touched his engorged tip Jul 21 00:50:02 and patted it with his finger tips. It bobbed slightly as he stood up. Jul 21 00:50:04 Picking up a tape measure from the hall desk, Christa quickly came Jul 21 00:50:07 over to Curt and measured him. She let out a low whistle of appreciation Jul 21 00:50:09 at his new length as she wrapped the tape measure around his shaft. She Jul 21 00:50:12 looked up at him... "Curt, you've grown to eleven inches long and Jul 21 00:50:14 five-and-a-half inches around." She did some quick mental math. "Jesus, Jul 21 00:50:17 Curt. You're almost two inches thick! What was in that stuff you Jul 21 00:50:19 experimented with?" Jul 21 00:50:22 Curt shrugged. "A variety of organic compounds normally found in Jul 21 00:50:24 DNA patterns associated with sexual development. I mean, I had to also Jul 21 00:50:27 add synthetic hormones and dissolve it all in an amino acid bath, but I Jul 21 00:50:30 didn't expect this sort of reaction... Earlier, it enlarged me quite a Jul 21 00:50:32 bit ... over a fifty-percent increase. This isn't that much of an Jul 21 00:50:34 increase compared to the first growth spurt, but I never expected..." Jul 21 00:50:37 "Are you saying that you'll get bigger every time you climax?" Jul 21 00:50:39 hmm Jul 21 00:50:39 The abrupt question brought Curt to a sudden stop. In truth, he Jul 21 00:50:42 had tried to tie the growth to hormonal and stress levels in the body and Jul 21 00:50:45 appropriate glands, but could it be true? He shuddered to think about it. Jul 21 00:50:47 Even if the percentage growth was less each time, he could be gargantuan Jul 21 00:50:48 what s this flood about Jul 21 00:50:50 in a very short time... True, he'd fantasized about elephantine Jul 21 00:50:52 proportions and even beyond, but in Real Life... Jul 21 00:50:55 He looked at Christa, uncertain. "I really don't know. It wasn't Jul 21 00:50:57 as big an increase as the last time, so it may be just residual effects. Jul 21 00:51:00 Y'see, I was aiming for something around fourteen to sixteen inches..." Jul 21 00:51:02 Christa looked at him stunned and with a half-smile. Jul 21 00:51:05 "Not bad..." she murmured. Brightening, she tapped his still-stiff Jul 21 00:51:07 member, "I guess we'll have to test that theory ... get on the bed." Jul 21 00:51:10 Curt looked surprised. "But ... but Christa. I mean, what if I Jul 21 00:51:12 *do keep getting bigger? This could be a catastrophe!" Jul 21 00:51:15 With raised eyebrows and lick of her lips, Christa smiled. "Tell Jul 21 00:51:17 me about it..." Pressing her massive breasts against his chest, she slowly Jul 21 00:51:20 rubbed her flesh over his, enticing him. Seemingly, the compound had also Jul 21 00:51:22 given him extra stamina, because his enlarged penis began to rise again. Jul 21 00:51:25 She smiled coyly as she felt his manhood press against her inner thigh. Jul 21 00:51:27 "I mean, if things got too bad, you could create a reverse formula, Jul 21 00:51:30 couldn't you?" Jul 21 00:51:32 Curt thought about it for a second. It was somewhat unfair; Jul 21 00:51:35 Christa's ample endowments were clouding his judgment along with her Jul 21 00:51:37 implied promise of even more sex... Still, he was pretty sure he Jul 21 00:51:40 understood the principles behind the enlargement. In fact, he thought as Jul 21 00:51:43 he began to massage her hard nipples, he was sure he could undo it... In Jul 21 00:51:45 response to her, Curt simply nodded. Jul 21 00:51:48 Taking his nod as an assent, Christa quickly swept the smaller man Jul 21 00:51:50 up and hoisted him over to the bed. Swinging him in a broad arc, she Jul 21 00:51:52 slung him down with a whoosh of air from her soft mattress. With a Jul 21 00:51:55 continuous, smooth motion, she swept down and pounced on him like a cat on Jul 21 00:51:56 gah Jul 21 00:51:58 a tiny, frightened rabbit. Her knees flanking his hips and her hands Jul 21 00:52:00 planted on either side of his shoulders, she looked down on him with a Jul 21 00:52:03 playful look of glee. Curt couldn't think of anything to say ... he'd Jul 21 00:52:04 grr Jul 21 00:52:05 never seen her like this! Jul 21 00:52:08 Slowly, she ran her fingers down his chest, gently massaging his Jul 21 00:52:10 tense muscles. Enticingly, she continued to follow his muscular contours Jul 21 00:52:13 down to his now rock-hard groin. With a conspiratorial smile, she leaned Jul 21 00:52:15 forward -her breasts resting against his lower legs- and licked his Jul 21 00:52:18 engorged tip. Gradually, Christa moved up and down Curt's erection; every Jul 21 00:52:20 second pausing to deliver a tiny, enticing lick to him. Curt clenched his Jul 21 00:52:23 eyes shut as he drew in each successive breath with a shudder. Jul 21 00:52:23 !- MrBrett [n=MrBrett@pool-141-156-228-225.res.east.verizon.net] Jul 21 00:52:24 looks like we got an iPhone user in here Jul 21 00:52:25 Lingering gently, Christa planted a series of successively more Jul 21 00:52:28 lengthy kisses with her supple lips along the length of his shaft. Her Jul 21 00:52:29 for those who wonder Jul 21 00:52:30 eyes half-closed in erotic pleasure, she ran her tongue around the tip of Jul 21 00:52:33 his cock, following the ridge of its head. She paused only a second to Jul 21 00:52:35 look Curt in the eyes before parting her lips slightly and sucking on his Jul 21 00:52:38 engorged mushroom-like head. Her tongue roaming around the surface of his Jul 21 00:52:40 cock, Christa pumped her mouth repeatedly up and down his shaft. Jul 21 00:52:43 Uncontrollably, Curt began to buck his hips gently against her face while Jul 21 00:52:45 his short, deep breaths became soft moans of ecstasy. Jul 21 00:52:48 Slowly, she sucked him deeper and deeper, until he could feel the Jul 21 00:52:50 contours of her throat wrapping itself around his eleven-inch boner. His Jul 21 00:52:52 stop talking am enjoying the story Jul 21 00:52:53 grunts and groans came louder as he began to grind more heavily into her Jul 21 00:52:56 luscious lips. She barely was able to fit her mouth around the width of Jul 21 00:52:58 his shaft at its base as he pumped and bucked under her oral care. Jul 21 00:53:01 Indeed, his balls -bouncing madly against his thighs- were each more than Jul 21 00:53:03 she could've taken into her mouth. Slowly, she pulled back from him -lips Jul 21 00:53:06 lingering tantalizingly- leaving his throbbing cock wanting her return. Jul 21 00:53:08 With another smile, she leaned down further and sucked on his Jul 21 00:53:11 balls, while her hands slowly stroked his erection. Pausing, she smiled Jul 21 00:53:13 up at him. "Is Little Curt ready to get big for me?" she asked teasingly. Jul 21 00:53:16 Curt could only nod dumbly, fearing that she might not resume. Smiling Jul 21 00:53:18 broadly, she slowly rose to her knees and placed her cunt over his massive Jul 21 00:53:18 * amason_ sighs Jul 21 00:53:21 tip. Jul 21 00:53:23 Closing her eyes in anticipation, she slowly lowered herself down Jul 21 00:53:24 ok Jul 21 00:53:26 over his erection. A sharp intake of breath was the only outward sign of Jul 21 00:53:28 how she felt to have his massive cock enter her body. With hands Jul 21 00:53:29 I fixed it Jul 21 00:53:31 quivering in ecstasy, she guided Curt's palms to her breasts as she began Jul 21 00:53:33 to ride him up and down. Deep inside his balls, Curt could feel the Jul 21 00:53:36 tingle of the fluid begin to build. Jul 21 00:53:38 He pressed against her breasts slowly, massaging them as he moaned Jul 21 00:53:41 aloud to her gyrations. Each thrust sent tiny electrical sparks of Jul 21 00:53:43 pleasure down his penis into his balls, seemingly feeding the tingle Jul 21 00:53:46 already there. With ecstatic vigor, Curt pressed and massaged Christa's Jul 21 00:53:48 breasts, fondling her hard nipples and caressing her Enormous Endowments. Jul 21 00:53:51 The tingling in his balls grew. Jul 21 00:53:54 Soon, the now-familiar tingling began to spread as he felt himself Jul 21 00:53:56 ready to cum. Christa, riding his erection like a jockey, began to Jul 21 00:53:58 breathe in loud, grunting barks. Forcing himself to watch, Curt glanced Jul 21 00:54:01 at the portion of his cock that Christa hadn't taken into her already. Jul 21 00:54:04 Sure enough, it was growing! Slowly, he felt his balls swell, going from Jul 21 00:54:06 what the fuck is happening Jul 21 00:54:17 the size of small oranges upwards towards the 'baseball' category. Spurts Jul 21 00:54:17 of cum started to erupt from his cock deep inside Christa's cunt as his Jul 21 00:54:17 shaft bgan to grow longer and thicker. Curt clenched his eyes shut and Jul 21 00:54:17 let the feeling wash over him. The growth was so erotic, Curt didn't know Jul 21 00:54:17 if he wanted it to stop ... ever. Jul 21 00:54:19 Centimeter by centimeter he watched his cock grow thicker, Jul 21 00:54:21 spreading Christa's cunt ever wider in its wake. Both of her hands came Jul 21 00:54:24 down to grip the base of his cock as she looked down in disbelief. At Jul 21 00:54:26 least six inches were outside of her now, and she had taken him nearly all Jul 21 00:54:29 the way before. Curt opened his eyes and stared in disbelief. He was Jul 21 00:54:31 growing even faster this time! His cumming continued to make him buck Jul 21 00:54:34 like a bronco as his shaft grew ever more horse-like. Thicker and longer Jul 21 00:54:36 -twined with huge, thick veins- his erection plowed into Christa's tight Jul 21 00:54:37 for all who want to ignore that spamer : /ignore *!*@pool-141-156-228-225.res.east.verizon.net all Jul 21 00:54:39 bush like a dog trying to fit into a rabbit hole. Jul 21 00:54:41 "Ahhh! Curt! Omigod ... you're goin' too ... far!" Jul 21 00:55:07 :) Jul 21 00:55:08 dealt Jul 21 00:55:10 with Jul 21 00:55:14 lol Jul 21 00:55:20 wow that was intense Jul 21 00:56:08 maybe he did the same on other channels too... Jul 21 00:56:18 ofcourse he did Jul 21 00:56:26 not Jul 21 00:56:42 I am on a lot of channels Jul 21 00:56:46 He did it just here Jul 21 00:57:14 na i complained Jul 21 00:57:26 this happened while i was watching this http://current.com/items/90470372_banned-german-sprite-ad-bj.htm Jul 21 00:57:43 this network has 26069 channels... i doubt you're in all of them Jul 21 00:58:06 its a sprite commercial Jul 21 00:58:32 nsfw Jul 21 00:58:35 lol Jul 21 00:58:43 not safe for german TV, apparently Jul 21 00:58:49 assuming the url is accurate Jul 21 01:00:39 anyone running jackhero? Jul 21 01:01:06 what is that Jul 21 01:01:16 ok, so you are not Jul 21 01:01:29 twois10: I was thinking about it, but I am waiting to hear feedback first Jul 21 01:01:44 kiqyou: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=534479 Jul 21 01:02:16 ok Jul 21 01:02:20 zelrikriando: i was going to install it over the weekend but my sd card has not arrived Jul 21 01:02:44 the card should have been recieved last wednesday Jul 21 01:04:32 for those using ap2d, what do you do with the internal sd card once you move everything to sdcard Jul 21 01:04:46 so its a ui? Jul 21 01:04:49 apps2sd Jul 21 01:04:58 kiqyou: its a ROM Jul 21 01:13:12 32mb swap is recommended, would i go too far with 64mb or even 128 mb? Jul 21 01:16:18 recommended for what? Jul 21 01:16:35 'cause i would never recommend swap on flash memory, to be quite honest :P Jul 21 01:16:48 in fact, i'd strongly recommend against it Jul 21 01:21:32 zinx: everybody is doing it Jul 21 01:22:00 lol Jul 21 01:22:04 the new craze! Jul 21 01:23:46 twois10: well, clearly everyone can't be wrong Jul 21 01:24:13 that stuff about internal flash memory often having write cycle limits of 10k, and SD cards having 100k must be totally wrong Jul 21 01:24:25 because everyone is doing it Jul 21 01:26:38 zinx: if it last 2 years, it should be ok Jul 21 01:27:01 if you're unlucky enough to have 10k write cycles, you're lucky if it lasts two months Jul 21 01:28:03 but if you use an SD card, you can at least replace the SD card once you've destroyed it Jul 21 01:28:47 zinx in that case there is no hope. even without the swap, how many write cycles is being written? Jul 21 01:28:53 how do you save a picture from web using android emulator? Jul 21 01:29:22 twois10: swap is going to cause interesting issues with the android oom killer Jul 21 01:29:30 in that it will take longer to engage Jul 21 01:29:37 if you do run with swap set vm.page-cluster to 0 Jul 21 01:29:45 twois10: without? stuff is only written when you change a file on it Jul 21 01:30:15 twois10: with? it's probably going to be written quite a bit, because Android runs by filling up memory usually Jul 21 01:30:28 zinx: so no swap or compcache is better right? I'm not using either, just want to make sure my phone lasts me longer than a year or so that's all hehe Jul 21 01:31:26 zinx: when using apps and browsing the web, or using maps, is there data not being written. by the way, this was to be done with a sdcard, not the internal flash Jul 21 01:31:46 twois10: the browser / maps do cache stuff, yes Jul 21 01:32:55 sparkle__: many have responded that the system is faster with a swap Jul 21 01:39:26 Hi there! I'm having a huge amount of trouble. I am following the instructions on http://yokohead.com/2009/06/how-to-root-android-g1-with-cupcake-and-appstosd/ and got to the point where I download the JF build and wipe one last time and install it, but in the loader it says it's not signed and kicks me out. Jul 21 01:39:30 Someone please help me! Jul 21 01:43:12 Please... someone? Jul 21 01:44:36 What the. Jul 21 01:44:47 Google voice has invited me. Jul 21 01:45:08 * EugeneKay is suspicious Jul 21 01:45:42 Rimdar_Klall: people are not yet all awake. you might need to be patient Jul 21 01:45:48 I got one too. Jul 21 01:46:07 OK, amason. Do /you/ know how to get that update file to appear signed? Jul 21 01:46:23 Rimdar_Klall: if i did, i would have just answered your question Jul 21 01:46:32 instead of telling you to be patient =) Jul 21 01:49:27 I see. And am sad. Jul 21 01:50:07 Rimdar_Klall: i am sad that I cannot help you. Jul 21 01:50:19 however , there are plenty of smart people in the channel Jul 21 01:50:39 who I am sure will be willing to help you where they are active Jul 21 01:52:15 EugeneKay: when did you apply for a google voice account? Jul 21 01:52:21 spikebike - I didn't. Jul 21 01:52:24 Hence the suspicion. Jul 21 01:52:26 >_> Jul 21 01:52:37 They sent it to my Google Apps address, not my GMail Jul 21 01:52:45 Mk. Jul 21 01:52:58 Hey, if anyone has an answer to my question, please PM me, thanks! Jul 21 01:55:45 Rimdar_Klall: you may want to post to a forum Jul 21 01:55:51 or mailing list Jul 21 01:58:29 Yay I haz a Google Voice number. Jul 21 01:58:38 1 (234) 567-9EEK. Jul 21 01:58:50 EEK being my initials. Jul 21 01:58:55 hm Jul 21 01:58:59 i had to give up on chrome Jul 21 01:59:10 i just noticed that ff 3.5 isn't that large Jul 21 01:59:51 chrome is great but it doesn't support some things that i really really need :) Jul 21 02:00:15 T.T Jul 21 02:00:53 Macer: i hope FF offers non process isolated versions of future browsers too Jul 21 02:01:15 FF doesn't really crash for me and i would prefer the existing threading model Jul 21 02:01:50 er the existing firefox model = not threaded Jul 21 02:01:55 (or different processes) Jul 21 02:01:57 its not ? Jul 21 02:02:12 its not a different thread / tab ? Jul 21 02:02:25 when is flash being ported to android ? Jul 21 02:02:57 \o Jul 21 02:03:01 i guess you need to ask Adobe that Jul 21 02:03:24 mmm ... Jul 21 02:03:33 no news about it ? Jul 21 02:04:13 not really interested in flash so your asking the wrong person :) Jul 21 02:04:29 i see Jul 21 02:04:40 any new things for android Jul 21 02:04:42 ? Jul 21 02:05:19 well there are lots of new things, but it depends what your interested in Jul 21 02:05:35 well for example ? Jul 21 02:05:58 new SDK has been released Jul 21 02:06:02 which is pretty cool Jul 21 02:06:48 cool Jul 21 02:06:58 but am not into programing Jul 21 02:06:59 lol Jul 21 02:07:33 this sounds like a market rating Jul 21 02:07:45 "Love app but when will flash working??!" Jul 21 02:07:50 haha Jul 21 02:08:03 market rating ? Jul 21 02:08:06 ? Jul 21 02:08:07 amason_: yeah Jul 21 02:08:26 macer hows your shit working Jul 21 02:08:31 NexVision: great ;) Jul 21 02:08:39 cool Jul 21 02:08:50 i just finished reorganizing my fileserver yesterday too Jul 21 02:08:52 Macer: coming out of all the right holes then ? Jul 21 02:08:56 =) Jul 21 02:09:02 i still have to set up either ldap or nis+kb5 Jul 21 02:09:11 so i can just use one for uid/gid information Jul 21 02:09:14 (and pw) Jul 21 02:09:18 could set up ldap and have nis auth against ldap Jul 21 02:09:30 amason_: i thoguht about that too Jul 21 02:09:40 i was going to make a samba pdc also Jul 21 02:09:44 so that's always fun Jul 21 02:09:51 samba4 or 3 ? Jul 21 02:10:01 amason_: whichever opensolaris comes with Jul 21 02:10:04 i'm betting 3 Jul 21 02:10:25 you should write up your experiences / howtos. i have thought about setting up a samba pdc , never got around to it Jul 21 02:11:05 amason_: i had it working before on a linux box Jul 21 02:11:12 the roaming profiles were neat Jul 21 02:11:30 although i don't think xp would sync on the fly Jul 21 02:11:37 so you woul dhave to logout for the profile to be updated Jul 21 02:11:45 which kind of sucked :) Jul 21 02:11:46 Macer: so does opensolaris use a differen ldap server ? Jul 21 02:11:58 not that i know of Jul 21 02:12:05 but i haven't even really started playing with that yet Jul 21 02:12:12 i was spending my entire day reorganizing my storage Jul 21 02:12:19 since i accidently put my home dirs on my rpool Jul 21 02:12:21 Anyone know why uploading a video to youtube from my G1 running 1.5 says it succeeds but just doesn't appear on youtube? (I've confirmed that the accounts are properly linked) Jul 21 02:12:36 and you would be amazed at how much of a pain it is to migrate off the rpool to a raid Jul 21 02:15:22 and you kind of reminded me about setting up this apache server :) Jul 21 02:20:00 Can't believe Google is making a Chrome OS.... I can't be the only one who thinks it's a terrible idea to have all applications run inside a web browser Jul 21 02:21:08 Danconia_: just because you and I think its a terrible idea doesn't mean that its not in googles best interest :) Jul 21 02:21:18 well said Jul 21 02:21:34 True, I have no idea whether or not it's in their interest Jul 21 02:21:47 tho I'm sure there are plenty of mums and dads out there that just want their email and web browser and want it to work. Jul 21 02:21:53 they don't care about anything else Jul 21 02:22:08 anyone with any tech knowledge is going to want more than that though Jul 21 02:22:09 I just don't see it being widely adopted, especially by corporations and power users Jul 21 02:22:23 Danconia_: it's not aimed at either of those markets though Jul 21 02:22:26 Danconia_: i don't think thats their target audience Jul 21 02:22:31 at least initially. Jul 21 02:22:37 Radix, definitely. That must be their target market Jul 21 02:22:58 not at all.. It's aimed at the average joe Jul 21 02:22:59 those kinds of people aren't able able to switch to anything Jul 21 02:23:08 Lol Jul 21 02:23:15 otherwise they would already be running Linux / OpenSolaris / Mac OSX Jul 21 02:23:16 if utorrent won't work while im tethered, it's probably just a matter of forwarding ports, right? Jul 21 02:23:32 (tethering via azilink) Jul 21 02:23:43 they're targeting cheap netbooks and desktops and the users who use them Jul 21 02:24:26 Danconia_: why is it a bad idea? Jul 21 02:25:29 I think even if I only browsed the web and did basic Office-like activities, I would still want data stored on my HD..... I 'm really against using google soca Jul 21 02:25:38 Google docs I mean Jul 21 02:26:00 Danconia_: yeh but your aren't one of those people Jul 21 02:26:03 dunno, I'd rather have it in the cloud, although I'd prefer to be able to keep a copy on more than one cloud Jul 21 02:26:05 google isn't aiming at you Jul 21 02:26:20 google gears adds offline support to most of their apps too Jul 21 02:26:22 after all devices die, are stolen, are dropped, are forgotten at home, etc. Jul 21 02:26:35 Well if all apps are run inside a web browser then you can only write apps that will run inside a browser, right? Seems really weak Jul 21 02:26:49 amason_: oh btw firefox is single threaded, so anything intensive and you are limited to a single cpu Jul 21 02:26:58 meh Jul 21 02:27:01 thus the one busy flash tab can make the entire browser lag Jul 21 02:27:07 hey sparkle__ enjoying the 3g? Jul 21 02:27:13 spikebike: i didn't realise ti was single threaded, i assumed 1 thread / tab Jul 21 02:27:18 at least that would make sense to me :) Jul 21 02:27:23 I'd love 1 thread a tab Jul 21 02:27:26 nah, only chrome does that so far Jul 21 02:27:28 or even better 1 process Jul 21 02:27:34 it's under development for FF tho Jul 21 02:27:41 just not in the current release Jul 21 02:27:43 spikebike: even better is subjective. Jul 21 02:27:50 hello? Does anyone have trouble with the download link for Cupcake(manual install)? Jul 21 02:27:50 not everyone (me) wants a whole process Jul 21 02:28:14 i would like 1 thread / tab though Jul 21 02:28:15 processes are cheap, why not the extra security/reliability? Jul 21 02:28:28 (not to mention performance) Jul 21 02:29:34 spikebike: because threads are quicker but the difference is not noticeable so we'll ignore that, but the ram usage is significantly higher / process. Jul 21 02:29:55 amason_: you are assuming a rather primative model Jul 21 02:30:07 spikebike: how so ? Jul 21 02:30:28 and in general the less you share the better it scales, so a share nothing process tends to scale uch better than a share almost everything thread Jul 21 02:31:11 hello Jul 21 02:31:27 googles browser has a api layer thats in a single thread, a manager a single thread, then a per thread renderer Jul 21 02:31:42 so message passing to talk to the apis, things like bookmarks, session keys, user events Jul 21 02:32:07 that way if a tab dies you can keep going, most threaded programs aren't so flexible Jul 21 02:32:11 is there a way to tell when soft keyboard is shown ? like a callback function ? Jul 21 02:32:26 spikebike: i don't really think that works for the browser. The idea behind the having share nothing processes is that you can scale horizontally. Which is fine but i don't want my browser running in a nother computer after XX no of tabs :) Jul 21 02:32:48 well today's cheap desktops can run 8 threads in parallel Jul 21 02:32:58 there is also nothing to stop you from doing the same thing with threads although you can't get the same / process security advantages Jul 21 02:33:21 spikebike: i like that i can run FF on an arm notebook Jul 21 02:33:29 I'm all about my baking/trading tab not being able to share anything with my link of the day tab Jul 21 02:33:47 or a broken plugin killing the browser or the entire browsers performance Jul 21 02:34:07 processes avoid the entire idea of a lock Jul 21 02:34:18 and locks are hard and perform poorly Jul 21 02:35:04 guys, 1 dip is how many pixels on android emulator ? Jul 21 02:35:48 spikebike: you only need to lock the components you share. Jul 21 02:36:19 right which in a browser is pretty much continuously Jul 21 02:36:41 spikebike: you can still have alot of the / process niceties with a different thread. But if it is security you want then your right, a process is better. Howeve i would like the ability to choose what i want depending on what i'm doing. Jul 21 02:36:43 anytime a user does anything, or anything finishes you have to udpate shared state Jul 21 02:37:06 mouse move, click, scroll, bookmark ass, download finishes, download starts, something finishers rendering, etc. Jul 21 02:37:27 spikebike: but non of those things require locking Jul 21 02:37:42 because you the second you switch tabs you can concede Jul 21 02:37:53 as the visible tab is the most important Jul 21 02:38:29 er Jul 21 02:38:30 anyway this is pointless since niether of us are actually doing the development. well at least i'm not contributing Jul 21 02:38:36 how do you add a bookmark without taking a lock? Jul 21 02:38:48 omg bill gates died ? Jul 21 02:38:59 you can take the lock, but what other threads are going to use that ? Jul 21 02:39:14 you are never adding bookmarks concurrently Jul 21 02:39:19 i gave up on chrome too, and really gave up when i found out there is no linux version Jul 21 02:39:36 there is a linux version Jul 21 02:39:45 spikebike: there is not Jul 21 02:39:48 there is Jul 21 02:39:52 I dont run ubuntu or debian Jul 21 02:39:53 no there isn't Jul 21 02:39:58 there is not Jul 21 02:40:02 there is chromium Jul 21 02:40:06 but that is not chrome Jul 21 02:40:08 there was a project called chromium, it graduated to chrom Jul 21 02:40:28 chromium is for ubuntu and debian only Jul 21 02:40:42 and ubuntu sprung out of debian Jul 21 02:40:50 twois10: how ? Jul 21 02:40:55 its free software afaik Jul 21 02:41:01 you can compile it on what you like Jul 21 02:41:20 amason_: where is the source? Jul 21 02:41:26 * Dev channel (for 32-bit systems): google-chrome-unstable_current_i386.deb Jul 21 02:41:29 * Dev channel (for 64-bit systems): google-chrome-unstable_current_amd64.deb Jul 21 02:41:36 notice the word chrome, not chromium Jul 21 02:41:42 amason_: what do you mean how? Jul 21 02:41:55 how do you mean what? Jul 21 02:42:10 how do what mean you now? Jul 21 02:42:11 http://dev.chromium.org/getting-involved Jul 21 02:42:15 chromium source code Jul 21 02:42:24 what do how mean how what how? Jul 21 02:42:31 when ? how do you mean now ? Jul 21 02:42:40 who's on first ? Jul 21 02:43:21 amason_: where is the source code? Jul 21 02:44:40 twois10: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxBuildInstructions Jul 21 02:44:51 in any case I admit threads vs processes is a minor issue, you can work down from threading or up from processes (share more) Jul 21 02:44:51 http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/get-the-code Jul 21 02:44:53 even if the source is out there, but for google (who is developing a linux OS) to only put out windows version of chrome is shameful Jul 21 02:45:01 but being able to use all of my CPU sounds awesome Jul 21 02:45:35 yo Jul 21 02:45:39 whats the folder tree for ringtones? Jul 21 02:46:44 is the source 807MB? Jul 21 02:47:17 is it F:\media\audio\ringtones ? Jul 21 02:47:58 hmm Jul 21 02:48:00 cd F:\ Jul 21 02:48:03 > Jul 21 02:48:12 I don't think that's gonna work ;) Jul 21 02:48:14 huh? Jul 21 02:48:17 naw Jul 21 02:48:22 i was makin folders n shit Jul 21 02:48:31 i was gonna drag a ringtone to that folder Jul 21 02:49:23 the chromium source says it's 8 07mb, wow Jul 21 02:50:35 JesusFreke: actually that does work, but it only changes the working directory on f: Jul 21 02:50:45 you still have to type f: to change drivers Jul 21 02:51:02 I *like* how Google voice works with my G1 :-D Jul 21 02:51:22 tmzt: not on the phone ;) Jul 21 02:51:27 true Jul 21 02:51:28 Does anyone know why, after following the directions on http://yokohead.com/2009/06/how-to-root-android-g1-with-cupcake-and-appstosd/comment-page-1/#comment-138 , I cannot update the phone because it says that the update.zip is unsigned? Jul 21 02:51:57 Rimdar_Klall - you didn't install the HardSPL or recovery.img correctly Jul 21 02:52:48 OK, how do I install them? It seems to me they're supposed to just go onto the SD card. Jul 21 02:52:49 whats up all Jul 21 02:53:42 is there a way to play divx/xvid on the android yet? Jul 21 02:54:12 when i rooted my phone many months ago, i remember having to install the sdk and using adb Jul 21 02:54:19 besides like steaming with orb Jul 21 02:54:37 mmMMmm. steamed divx. Jul 21 02:54:44 with a side of parsley Jul 21 02:54:47 haha Jul 21 02:54:54 whoops Jul 21 02:54:59 streaming Jul 21 02:54:59 mmm, irs Jul 21 02:55:00 :p Jul 21 02:55:29 i don't know of any way. but I haven't looked either ;) Jul 21 02:56:09 i tried before but had no luck, even found an app that claimed it played it but no luck with it Jul 21 02:56:15 Does anyone know how you /install/ HardSPL or recovery.img? Jul 21 02:56:21 then i gave up and just thought of asking now Jul 21 02:56:40 all the tv show and movies i get are all .avi and i dont feel like converting lol Jul 21 02:58:47 it's been 40 years, so what ? 40 is not a special number, they should've waited at least till 50 Jul 21 02:58:53 noonehereyet it works Jul 21 02:59:07 I just think it's cool iPhone-porn.us works on the G1 :) and even gay.iPhone-porn.us works Jul 21 02:59:12 wow, android has been out 40 years already? Jul 21 02:59:15 damn, time flies Jul 21 02:59:28 noonehereyet: however it just chrashed Jul 21 02:59:34 yea it was developed on moon, but we didn't know that Jul 21 02:59:37 JesusFreke: no silly, the T-Mobile G1 Jul 21 02:59:41 I miss android Jul 21 02:59:53 sparkle__: enjoying the 3g? Jul 21 02:59:57 but I just need to see it compete with the widespread abuse **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 21 02:59:57 2009