**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 21 02:59:57 2009 Jul 21 03:00:00 of the jphone Jul 21 03:00:05 iPhone Jul 21 03:00:34 and it uses wine, i hate wine Jul 21 03:01:32 iDialekt: hey i know, google could add iTunes support Jul 21 03:01:36 iDialekt: MISS IT? Jul 21 03:01:56 oops Jul 21 03:02:02 yeah iTunes is something I use every single day Jul 21 03:02:07 even for my work Jul 21 03:02:28 and this silly iPhone just compliments my lifestyle in terms of ease of use Jul 21 03:02:35 and an all in one oavkagse Jul 21 03:02:39 package Jul 21 03:02:45 wow :) Jul 21 03:02:59 that was one of the more impressive misspellings I've seen Jul 21 03:03:10 sweet...beat me out Jul 21 03:03:14 That was pretty impressive, I must admit. Jul 21 03:03:28 JesusFreke , are you the JF that made the firmwares and such? Jul 21 03:03:32 o/ Jul 21 03:03:44 it's called autocorrect crapage lok Jul 21 03:03:46 lol Jul 21 03:04:40 JesusFreke: don't answer, every thing you say can and will be used against you in court Jul 21 03:04:49 wha'ts the power consumption of the current android phone CPU's? Jul 21 03:05:06 kc8pxy - too much and too hot. Jul 21 03:05:07 kc8pxy: more than ideal :) Jul 21 03:05:13 1.21 jigawatts Jul 21 03:05:19 over 9000 Jul 21 03:05:21 hehehe Jul 21 03:05:21 Lol used in which court? Jul 21 03:05:31 judge judy Jul 21 03:05:32 twois10: what uses wine? Jul 21 03:05:39 Lol Romania doesn't give a fuck about US laws and vice versatile Jul 21 03:05:45 I don't know yet Jul 21 03:05:49 Versa! Jul 21 03:05:57 a version of chromium Jul 21 03:05:57 lol Jul 21 03:06:00 amason_: Rimdar_Klall: either of you know the that, quantified to watts? Jul 21 03:06:01 System Info: [CPU: 600MHz ARM] [RAM | Total: 253MB User: 203MB] [Device Model: iPhone 3G[S]] [System Name: iPhone OS (3.0)] [Uptime: 0 day(s), 7 hour(s) and 0 minute(s)] Jul 21 03:06:07 compiled for different distros Jul 21 03:06:43 kc8pxy: the power consumption varies depending on usage Jul 21 03:06:43 kc8pxy: no sorry Jul 21 03:06:45 Psh, no. Power usage depends on what you do. Jul 21 03:06:48 twois10: chrom for linux is native Jul 21 03:06:50 chrome Jul 21 03:07:07 spikebike: you would think Jul 21 03:07:15 kc8pxy: i do not know the idle / max power consumption off-hand though... perhaps Qualcomm would have these numbers Jul 21 03:07:16 only wine google app I know of for linux is picasa Jul 21 03:07:46 not a big deal, firefox does it well for me Jul 21 03:10:46 * kc8pxy wants to ease some of his WinMo-chained friends, to android, with WinMo->android wine-like app :) Jul 21 03:10:54 firefox meets 95% of my need, but I share a desktop with my family, often have at least 2 windows with a few dozen tabs each, often firefox will leg severly because something stupid is in a single tab Jul 21 03:11:16 doubly annoying because it's really hard to find the tab responsible Jul 21 03:11:25 adblock plus is good for that Jul 21 03:11:46 especially when I have a quad core machine with 6GB ram which should have plent of resources for it Jul 21 03:14:30 i dont have unresponsive issue with firefox Jul 21 03:18:04 I find adblock plus not so useful, sure it blocks things but I often find some javascript mess that's animating something all over my screen... sur the image is blocked but it's still burning cpu running some silly javascript alpha blending manual bitblt as it dances around the screen Jul 21 03:18:16 the blocked ad not showing doesn't help much 8-( Jul 21 03:19:01 you could always block ad via host file Jul 21 03:19:07 yeah Jul 21 03:19:25 but often the javascript part is hosted on the site, it's on the ad that comes from offsite Jul 21 03:19:33 oh btw, from the chrome build Jul 21 03:19:54 Chromium is an open source browser project. Google Chrome is a browser from Google, based on the Chromium project. Jul 21 03:20:01 This is a build of Google Chrome, released by Google for testing. Jul 21 03:22:59 ah, and I verified picasa uses wine, and chrome does not Jul 21 03:23:20 my only beef is they release chrome for windows but not linux. and the google maps on windows mobile has turn by turn Jul 21 03:24:18 well google ships chrome for linux, it's just not relase quality yet Jul 21 03:52:03 * GenericNode slaps twois10 Jul 21 03:53:21 * twois10 dodges-barb and weaves, comes back with a right hook Jul 21 03:57:38 HUMILIATION Jul 21 03:59:39 is it only me? or does the android emulator take ages to boot up ages on any box? Jul 21 04:00:00 elementz: press the power button Jul 21 04:00:25 twois10: which would be? Jul 21 04:00:38 the one on the emulator Jul 21 04:01:06 you mean the green phone button? can't see any power button Jul 21 04:01:22 the red button Jul 21 04:01:29 pressed already any button visible to me Jul 21 04:02:00 eclipse only gives me this Waiting for HOME ('android.process.acore') to be launched... Jul 21 04:02:10 hit the menu button Jul 21 04:02:13 no debugging info on the keys pressed Jul 21 04:02:26 hi hit all buttons. nothing Jul 21 04:02:40 what does the logcat say? Jul 21 04:03:02 btw, the power button seems to be located on the top left Jul 21 04:03:24 romainguy___: by logcat you are referring to eclipse's debugging output? Jul 21 04:03:44 elementz: just press the hang up button Jul 21 04:04:38 hm. maybe its jus the api examples i loaded. Jul 21 04:04:54 elementz what exactly are you trying to do? Jul 21 04:05:43 noonehereyet: trying to launch the emulator. i managed earlier. now i tried to launch it with one of the examples - namely the softkeyboard example Jul 21 04:06:12 what i was *actually trying to do is find an example of the voice recognition feature in the sdk to look at Jul 21 04:06:17 ok are you getting an error message? and i assume your running eclipse? Jul 21 04:06:31 noonehereyet: yes, eclipse latest Jul 21 04:07:28 thats my output http://pastebin.com/d4fa8d992 Jul 21 04:08:06 yeah guess i was confused by the way you described the emu Jul 21 04:08:33 elementz: i thought you meant the emulator boot time Jul 21 04:08:35 it gets stuck at the second boot screen. the one with the fancy* android logo Jul 21 04:08:51 hmmmm Jul 21 04:09:01 yes. what i mean is, the emulator takes to actually boot into the os Jul 21 04:09:04 dunno mine works fine on the stuff im working on Jul 21 04:09:22 ok now i am online. second attempt was a bit faster. strange though Jul 21 04:09:47 elementz: did you try what i suggest, when it is booting press the end button Jul 21 04:09:57 twois10: yes i did Jul 21 04:10:07 and your emu has home call button on the left menu in the middle and back and end call on the right correct? Jul 21 04:10:14 dunno if it had an effect thhough Jul 21 04:10:22 yes Jul 21 04:10:29 weird Jul 21 04:10:39 i just use the one from the sdk. or are there several? Jul 21 04:10:42 eclipse is finicky though Jul 21 04:10:47 elementz: when booting takes long, i press that button it takes me home Jul 21 04:11:00 twois10: hm. ok. Jul 21 04:11:09 did you have 1.1 or 1.0 installed prior to the newest version of the sdk? Jul 21 04:11:20 noonehereyet: no. all fresh install Jul 21 04:11:30 even installed a new eclipse sdk over europa Jul 21 04:11:40 yeah so when you set up the emu should have been good Jul 21 04:12:02 well it is running now Jul 21 04:12:52 but now to my initial intent to post: i would like to check out the voice recognition capabilites of cupcake. is there a demo in the adt package for that? Jul 21 04:13:06 or will i need to write my own app? Jul 21 04:16:17 anybody? Jul 21 04:16:46 elementz: if people know the answer they will answer you Jul 21 04:16:56 ok Jul 21 04:17:01 not everyone is in irc all the time Jul 21 04:17:15 wait, they're not? Jul 21 04:17:23 cept for you JesusFreke Jul 21 04:17:48 oh, they probably doing something in that "outside" that I keep hearing about. Jul 21 04:17:58 hehe Jul 21 04:18:13 Hm Jul 21 04:18:21 * EugeneKay stabs JesusFreke in the heart with a wooden cross Jul 21 04:18:39 * JesusFreke dances a jig Jul 21 04:18:44 JesusFreke: i just crossed your nick while looking at some android apps. can't recall which one it was though Jul 21 04:18:49 * JesusFreke with a wooden cross in his heart Jul 21 04:19:35 that would either be the firmware I release, or the JF updater app, which incidentally, isn't mine :) Jul 21 04:20:06 (though it has the official "JF Seal of Approval") Jul 21 04:23:12 Baby Seal of Approval Jul 21 04:23:25 http://stuffmiddleeast.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/harp-seal-baby.jpg Jul 21 04:24:20 nah, more like: http://www.unipsychos.com/UNICYCLES/PHOTOPAGE%20PSYCHOS%2017.jpg Jul 21 04:25:06 not this one? http://wwwc.aftonbladet.se/noje/0512/18/NOJE-18s34-seal-700_368.jpg Jul 21 04:25:50 "i poke badgers with spoons"? Jul 21 04:25:59 yep Jul 21 04:26:04 *poke* Jul 21 04:26:21 he is got a decent looking wife Jul 21 04:26:38 JesusFreke: is that you lol Jul 21 04:26:44 yea. lol Jul 21 04:27:15 he is rich and has a super model wife Jul 21 04:27:28 JesusFreke?! awesome Jul 21 04:27:35 JesusFreke: i dont believe you Jul 21 04:27:42 lol Jul 21 04:27:43 so don't :) Jul 21 04:27:46 lol Jul 21 04:27:59 JesusFreke: tell Heidi hi for me Jul 21 04:28:04 big fan Jul 21 04:28:06 yeah, don't Jul 21 04:28:15 I DONT!! Jul 21 04:28:21 heh Jul 21 04:28:28 i believe it, the ripped sign in pic says "fort worth", and his rdns is from texas Jul 21 04:28:29 the only Heidi I know is a belly dancer. and I don't think you mean her :) Jul 21 04:28:29 lol Jul 21 04:28:36 JesusFreke: it seems your wife is always pregnant, do you ever rest? Jul 21 04:29:02 hahaha jesusfreke doesnt have a wife Jul 21 04:29:05 or a kid Jul 21 04:29:15 or a gf :p Jul 21 04:29:21 TOUCHE haha Jul 21 04:29:22 or a second wheel Jul 21 04:29:28 or hair Jul 21 04:29:33 but i thought you were the guy on that picture Jul 21 04:29:40 btw, is there a means to flip the screen of the emulator device? Jul 21 04:29:57 elementz: ctrl-F12 Jul 21 04:29:58 yeah, just turn your monitor on its side Jul 21 04:30:06 elementz: turn your monitor on its side Jul 21 04:30:06 kruton, my answer is better Jul 21 04:30:08 damnit Jul 21 04:30:13 HAHA Jul 21 04:30:18 also, numpad 7 Jul 21 04:30:35 lol Jul 21 04:30:42 hehe Jul 21 04:31:14 who has a numpad these days? psssh Jul 21 04:31:23 heh Jul 21 04:31:25 got bored Jul 21 04:31:25 numpads are so annoying Jul 21 04:31:29 (I just got the new MBP that removed numlock :-( ) Jul 21 04:31:32 makes my mouse even farther away Jul 21 04:31:34 installing win 7 onto my eeepc 1000H Jul 21 04:31:43 I wish numpad was on the left side of the keyboard Jul 21 04:31:53 hm just numpad? or something like ^numpad7 Jul 21 04:32:02 elementz, you can't have numlock on Jul 21 04:32:06 * elementz turns his monitor on the side Jul 21 04:32:07 KNY: you need the microsoft natural split numpad Jul 21 04:32:08 poor eeepc Jul 21 04:32:16 JesusFreke: lol naw Jul 21 04:32:22 will run great Jul 21 04:32:29 kRutOn, I have the MS natural ergonomic 4000 Jul 21 04:32:30 love it Jul 21 04:32:38 win 7 just needs 1Ghz processor and 1 gig of ram Jul 21 04:32:41 and i have more than that Jul 21 04:32:44 KNY: ahh. thx. now i need to turn the monitor back again Jul 21 04:34:02 win7 runs fine on my computer Jul 21 04:34:10 hah, obviously that JesusFreke picture was staged: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=firefox-a&q=haltom%27s+jewelers,+ft.+worth&ie=UTF8&sll=32.750090,-97.329307&sspn=0.179065,0.161602&ei=Z0RlSsKgCoW2NPKe_f4L&cd=1&cid=12127352283699917845&li=lmd&ll=32.755132,-97.331561&spn=0,359.990376&t=h&z=17&iwloc=A&layer=c&cbll=32.755083,-97.331516&panoid=NPt0JqlaK3KfVTt8ZiaZ7A&cbp=12,20.61,,0,-1.07 Jul 21 04:34:20 i havent done much with it though Jul 21 04:34:23 http://bit.ly/TWqlt Jul 21 04:35:01 hey that's my house Jul 21 04:35:02 kRutOn: lol. nice Jul 21 04:35:12 I'm not used to seeing it in the daylight Jul 21 04:35:22 always down there at night (riding the uni) Jul 21 04:35:53 I like how it blurs out the newspaper stands Jul 21 04:36:23 lol, street view guy is an astronaut Jul 21 04:36:51 that double click to go feature is awesome Jul 21 04:37:53 twois10: yeah and now i wanna see how it runs on my eee Jul 21 04:39:00 caleb win 7 is nice but still needs some work Jul 21 04:39:36 for example, i browsed the admin home directory, and it gave my account full access after that Jul 21 04:39:55 yeah, I had to uninstall win 7 from my G1 today because it was to beta for me Jul 21 04:40:39 twois10: sure but even as it stans its better than vista Jul 21 04:40:49 stands Jul 21 04:42:14 vista has the same issue. as a regular user, i click to browse the admin directory, it prompter for the password, and lord behold it gave the account full access o_0 Jul 21 04:43:23 even after logged of and logged back in Jul 21 04:52:33 I'm curious if anyone has any tips on saving battery using the android beyond lowering brightness and turning off 3g Jul 21 04:53:15 for instance if turning off widgets helps or using a certain rom Jul 21 04:54:23 of course the less processes you have running the longer the batter life Jul 21 04:55:03 many many people will tell you that turning off sync will exponentially increase your battery life Jul 21 04:55:14 turning off the phone helps save battery Jul 21 04:55:25 you can probably have the battery last at least a month if you have the phone completely powered down Jul 21 04:55:36 lol Jul 21 04:55:49 i think he still wants to use the phone Jul 21 04:56:00 you can use the phone as a paperweight while it is powered down Jul 21 04:56:08 or as a mirror Jul 21 04:57:13 thanks rye very helpful haha Jul 21 04:57:19 RyeBrye, or a doorstop for a light door Jul 21 04:57:26 possibilities are endless Jul 21 04:57:35 true Jul 21 04:58:50 You can use it to create a distracting noise when trying to sneak past guards. Jul 21 04:59:05 fail Jul 21 04:59:23 http://www.doingitwrong.com/ Jul 21 05:01:24 gahhhhhhhhhhh Jul 21 05:18:37 w00t im about to watch Bruno Jul 21 05:20:33 * Wickednix looks around as he sips his silver bullet Jul 21 05:36:40 is there any standard way for including license notices in android apps. (for example, I am using apache licensed code meaning I must include a copy of the license itself and a notice listing the library with it developers) Jul 21 05:39:35 I ended up getting at 2600mah battery. Bloody thing will never die again! Who cares if it is bulky as a brick, all my features are turned on? haha. Jul 21 05:40:03 lol duplexer Jul 21 05:40:09 needed a new back cover right? Jul 21 05:40:26 ohwait, this is #android Jul 21 05:40:30 Yeah. It is impressive looking. Jul 21 05:40:42 i thought i was talking in #webos-watercooler Jul 21 05:41:09 lol Jul 21 05:42:52 duplexer: seido? or different brand? i'm really thinking about getting me a 2600mah too Jul 21 05:46:22 prodigy_, seido. though it adds bulk, I now use all the features (media player, games, gps, 3g ...) all day long, only reached 35% after 16 hours of constant use. Jul 21 05:47:08 how bulky can the battery get? Jul 21 05:47:19 unless you have a different covering Jul 21 05:47:50 ms make some good keyboards Jul 21 05:48:36 M$? huh Jul 21 05:49:15 Here is a picture of the difference - http://gizmodo.com/5132895/seidio-2600-mah-jumbo-battery-pack-turns-your-g1-morbidly-obese Jul 21 05:50:05 lol, is it really that serious?! Jul 21 05:50:30 duplexer: yeah i heard you can also type "better" because of the better grip with the new cover & bulkiness? what is your input on this duplexer ? Jul 21 05:51:31 getting a battery like that defeats the purpose of a "portable" device Jul 21 05:52:22 i can under stand if your going hiking or going to some kind of camping... Jul 21 05:52:40 It adds a little to the waist line .... But I do look at other G1s and think mine is fat. Jul 21 05:52:58 Yes, I feel as if I am grasping it better. Jul 21 05:53:43 you must be an older guy Jul 21 05:53:45 Not really. It is still highly portable. I pretty much retired my netbook now twois10 Jul 21 05:54:17 early 50,s Jul 21 05:55:06 what makes you say that? Jul 21 05:55:18 ok so am wrong Jul 21 05:58:47 by the way duplexer it wasnt supposed to be a put down Jul 21 05:58:51 They do have anemic batteries. Starting at 100mah twois10, shaves three millimeters off. Jul 21 05:59:08 I know Jul 21 06:03:36 Anyways, I am far from 50. And I enjoy using all the features all-day. Jul 21 06:04:25 alright guyz Jul 21 06:04:37 just wanted to let everyone know that I received my google voice invite today Jul 21 06:04:41 and it is freaking awesome Jul 21 06:04:44 :D Jul 21 06:07:33 duplexer: so 70+? Jul 21 06:08:22 http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/01/29/google-maps-car-hits-a-deer-records-it-all Jul 21 06:08:55 * duplexer pokes twois10 eyes out Jul 21 06:09:16 lol@ duplexer Jul 21 06:09:29 TommyBres: man, thats a lot of meat Jul 21 06:09:39 go fetch, redneck Jul 21 06:09:58 only redneck likes meat...? Jul 21 06:10:13 only rednecks collect it off the side of the road :) Jul 21 06:10:39 no, if you hit it and collect it, just as good using a gun Jul 21 06:12:27 lol Jul 21 06:13:23 someone posted it was a baby deer, and that google killed bambi Jul 21 06:14:18 i remember crying when Bambi lost his mother Jul 21 06:20:35 i just unpacked boot.img but im freaking disappointed i thought i would see some files but instead just a kernel image and a ramdisk image... how am i suppose to modify these? Jul 21 06:31:05 nvm lol yummy ram disk Jul 21 06:41:38 is app2sd in the ramdisk files or kenerle? Jul 21 06:43:02 most likely not the kernel Jul 21 06:43:13 so it is in the ramdisk? Jul 21 06:44:00 i have no clue what it is in terms of script, so could be something changed in the ramdisk under the init files? Jul 21 06:44:21 talk to people who know what to do Jul 21 06:44:41 lol am i not asking in the android #channel? Jul 21 06:45:40 oops lmao Jul 21 06:48:25 Well, moblin is a no go. Guess I will try android on my netbook. Jul 21 06:55:39 why android? Jul 21 07:07:16 android seems currently optimes for g1 like devices with 1/3 the pixels, 1/8 the ram, and 1/4th the cpu Jul 21 07:08:12 id go with the ubuntu netbook remix or something, till chome os is available to compare Jul 21 07:08:27 ubuntu netbook remix is pretty good Jul 21 07:08:40 the moblin thing is pretty cool also Jul 21 07:08:48 if you don't like brown Jul 21 07:08:50 you could run the android emulator in a windor if you really want an android app Jul 21 07:10:06 ive not tried moblin, but even standard ubuntu should run well on a netbook Jul 21 07:10:25 sure you might want to spend the extra $15 for 21gb ram Jul 21 07:10:34 er 2 Jul 21 07:11:00 greeting to all, can anyone please help with dip ? how to set it in code ? Jul 21 07:11:03 spikebike: i have a default ubuntu install on my msi wind Jul 21 07:11:06 works fine Jul 21 07:11:44 #android-dev Jul 21 07:11:48 join #android-dev Jul 21 07:11:49 yeah, ive been running linux since well before the current netbook level of perf was available Jul 21 07:12:42 2 1.6 ghz threads and 2gb ram is pretty decent Jul 21 07:13:07 can you please tell me how to set dip in code ? Jul 21 07:13:09 sure i wish for the nvidia ion for smooth 3d/video Jul 21 07:13:35 dip? Jul 21 07:13:56 Density-independent pixels relative to a 160-dpi scre Jul 21 07:14:00 dp or dip Jul 21 07:14:31 spikebike: u looking for a netbook os? Jul 21 07:14:36 lianj, you there? Jul 21 07:14:46 k4 not i Jul 21 07:14:59 k4r1m: glad u like the wiki - help me keep it up-to-date! ;) Jul 21 07:15:20 Radix_: looks like so much work man Jul 21 07:15:27 for sure though Jul 21 07:15:40 hehe.. initially it is.. afterwards it's just a matter of simple editing Jul 21 07:15:41 after i finish porting this rom which is started to really piss me off Jul 21 07:16:34 spikebike: to whoever it may concern, wanted to tell u check out this new netbook os http://www.jolicloud.com/ still in beta but u could download it and its very sexy Jul 21 07:16:44 guys, can anyone help me ? Jul 21 07:17:17 all these guys in the channel and no body answers !! Jul 21 07:17:18 k4 cool, it was dupler who mentioned wanting android on a netbook, but ill check out joli Jul 21 07:17:38 Ayman: whats the problem? Jul 21 07:18:12 Ayman: you want /join #android-dev Jul 21 07:18:24 how to set margins for example by Density-independent pixels relative in code Jul 21 07:18:54 m in android-dev, no body is talking there ! Jul 21 07:18:58 If I knew the answer I'd help out Jul 21 07:19:06 thanks radi Jul 21 07:19:08 yeah thats #andorid-dev lol i keep forgetting the main reason i got an android based device was to make crazy apps Jul 21 07:19:08 radix* Jul 21 07:19:18 but i have not gotten any crazy ideas lol Jul 21 07:19:24 but not everyone is monitoring the channel 100% of the time, so often you have to be patient too Jul 21 07:19:36 except me =P Jul 21 07:19:38 :) Jul 21 07:20:02 i'm not a helper though im the guy who usually needs help lol Jul 21 07:20:25 ok another question, how to set padding for layout in code ? Jul 21 07:20:38 shit Jul 21 07:20:40 lol Jul 21 07:20:45 again, code related questions are best asked in the #android-dev channel Jul 21 07:20:45 "low heat" atom my ass Jul 21 07:20:48 this thing burns up Jul 21 07:21:00 * spikebike has app ideas, but no push or p2p support 8-( Jul 21 07:21:01 Macarse: atom's are phail Jul 21 07:21:03 Macer: your new vapourware tablet? :) Jul 21 07:21:08 Radix_: no Jul 21 07:21:12 aspireone Jul 21 07:21:13 ;) Jul 21 07:21:17 heh Jul 21 07:21:21 got it for $220 off someone Jul 21 07:21:25 it's not bad Jul 21 07:21:27 nice little xp machine Jul 21 07:21:35 atom isnt bad, its thr north bridge and gpu that are HOT Jul 21 07:21:40 yeah Jul 21 07:21:43 rather hot Jul 21 07:21:48 and the power is meh Jul 21 07:21:51 thats why u go with an ION board lol Jul 21 07:21:51 Ahh.. isn't the Acer AspireOne is the one that if you play loud music it corrupts your hdd or something? Jul 21 07:21:56 not like my 15 hour vaporbook that i'm waiting on Jul 21 07:22:07 and im talking about nvidia ion here not google i/o ion lol Jul 21 07:22:10 macer did you order a touch book? Jul 21 07:22:19 yeah Jul 21 07:22:26 a while ago as a matter of fact Jul 21 07:22:30 still waiting Jul 21 07:22:31 haha Jul 21 07:22:36 they said this week Jul 21 07:22:37 it just shipped? Jul 21 07:22:38 Macer: http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/26/8-9-inch-acer-aspire-one-said-to-have-hard-drive-flaw-distaste/ Jul 21 07:22:41 no Jul 21 07:22:54 Don't play the music too loud on it ;) Jul 21 07:23:31 oh someone here mentioed they shipped him one Jul 21 07:23:54 Everyone got theirs except Macer ;) Jul 21 07:24:24 well it wasnt received yet Jul 21 07:24:28 Radix_: haha Jul 21 07:24:33 spikebike: i think that was me Jul 21 07:24:36 iw as joking ;) Jul 21 07:24:47 i also said it was going to have Google Chrome OS on it Jul 21 07:24:49 im temped, but id like a biggere cpu/ram upgrade from the g1 Jul 21 07:24:50 hehe Jul 21 07:24:50 heh Jul 21 07:25:08 spikebike: heh.. well. it looks awesome Jul 21 07:25:14 and if it's done right it should make for an awesome machien Jul 21 07:25:21 not to mention.. you can stick it to a fridge! Jul 21 07:25:25 now that's innovation!! Jul 21 07:26:05 it has a pretty good screen res for a screen 1" smaller than the aspire1 Jul 21 07:26:21 Radix_: wtf.. who the hell plays music that loud through laptop speakers? Jul 21 07:26:23 maybe, im curious about it. seems a bit pricy for the cpu/ram/weight Jul 21 07:26:24 it sounds horrible :) Jul 21 07:26:36 spikebike: i think it's big sell was batter life Jul 21 07:26:46 right now thsi aspire1 makes me feel lucky if i get more than 4 hours Jul 21 07:26:55 sounded similar to the nicer netbooks Jul 21 07:27:10 and the cpu arch is different Jul 21 07:27:13 Macer: yeah.. you should expect your entire life to be distorted at high volumes - that netbook just carries through with it ;) Jul 21 07:27:30 haha Jul 21 07:27:41 speaking of which the net intel ssd sounds sweet Jul 21 07:27:46 Radix_: i mean cmon :) blasting U2 through speakers... Jul 21 07:27:49 does G1 support class 10 microsdhc cards? Jul 21 07:27:57 hehe Jul 21 07:27:59 woah. there's class 10s ? Jul 21 07:28:00 heh Jul 21 07:28:11 did i miss something? :) Jul 21 07:28:12 Macer: http://sandisk.com/Products/Item(2936)-SDSDX3-032G-A31-SanDisk_Extreme_SDHC_Memory_Card.aspx Jul 21 07:28:25 support =works id expect so Jul 21 07:28:40 spikebike: intel ssd IS awesome. Friend of mine has one and it's amazingly quick. If it didn't cost an arm and a leg I'd get one myself. Jul 21 07:28:48 not sure the g1 can make good use of it though Jul 21 07:29:03 Radix_: yeah Jul 21 07:29:06 radix todays announce = much cheaper Jul 21 07:29:07 prodigy_: I'm not sure how you are going to cram a full sd card into the g1 :) Jul 21 07:29:08 even their crap one is good Jul 21 07:29:10 "crap one" Jul 21 07:29:22 not the eXtreme (capital X for marketing coolness) Jul 21 07:29:25 but the other one Jul 21 07:29:29 heh Jul 21 07:29:47 Ahh k.. hadn't seen that news yet. Jul 21 07:29:57 mate of mine has the X-25 Jul 21 07:30:07 expect it on every tech blob in the morning Jul 21 07:30:13 32nm Jul 21 07:30:29 HAHAHA Jul 21 07:30:31 SanDisk Extreme® (III) SD. and SDHC. Cards Jul 21 07:30:32 he has it in his macbook and every app he clicks on opens almost immediately Jul 21 07:30:34 EXTREME!! Jul 21 07:30:35 er blog Jul 21 07:30:38 omfg! Jul 21 07:30:47 hi all Jul 21 07:31:01 Macer, not just EXTREME!!! Jul 21 07:31:07 EXTREME®!!! Jul 21 07:31:26 no microSD variants yet tho it looks like Jul 21 07:31:55 could someone help me out Jul 21 07:32:05 * JesusFreke gives facelessloser a $5 Jul 21 07:32:19 and Sandisk's MicroSD's maxed out at class 4 last time I looked Jul 21 07:32:24 i need a desktop soonish, plan on doing most of my i/o on ssd and just the infrequent large stuff on usually spun down disks Jul 21 07:32:28 what happeneds if i use apps 2 sd with a non class 6 sd card will it be really slow Jul 21 07:32:42 yep Jul 21 07:32:44 facelessloser: yes Jul 21 07:32:47 JesusFreke: haha Jul 21 07:32:51 no capital X though Jul 21 07:32:55 so it can't be that extreme Jul 21 07:32:58 facelessloser: yup Jul 21 07:33:05 next week they are going to release the capital X version that's class 12 Jul 21 07:33:05 :) Jul 21 07:33:13 lol :) Jul 21 07:33:15 ok so well worth getting a class 6 then Jul 21 07:33:36 especially since its another $ Jul 21 07:33:55 8gb type 6 = $15 or so Jul 21 07:34:04 thats pritty cheap Jul 21 07:34:19 ya Jul 21 07:35:26 if you arent careful it could be an expensive sneeze Jul 21 07:35:39 JesusFreke: oh lol..i thought it was micro haha Jul 21 07:36:58 facelessloser: I have the kingston 8gb class 4 with apps2sd and it's pretty fast...could be the rom too though hehe Jul 21 07:37:20 It's like the Colgate range of toothpastes, they have the Total Advanced Whitening toothpaste, the Ultrabrite Advanced Whitening Toothpaste, Sparkling White Toothpaste, Visible White Toothpaste and of course you can use your MaxWhite Toothbrush. Jul 21 07:37:25 but i'm looking for a class 6 one...and still looking lol Jul 21 07:37:31 jesusFreke does any of your roms surport apps 2 sd Jul 21 07:37:49 well Jul 21 07:38:48 win7 runs good Jul 21 07:38:50 heh Jul 21 07:39:22 hi all Jul 21 07:39:38 is possible to port android on auperH arch ? Jul 21 07:39:47 prodigy_: keep in mind that your class 4 could perform faster than a class 6 technically - the class rating only refers to the MINIMUM rate of performance - class 4 guarantees 4MB/s speeds minimum, class 6 guarantees 6MB/s speeds minimum. Maximum speed doesn't come into it, so the class4 could hit 30MB/s and the class 6 only 10MB/s. Jul 21 07:39:51 s/auperH/superH Jul 21 07:40:24 aLeSD: sure, the source is available - it's just up to you to port it ;) Jul 21 07:40:45 aLeSD: anything is possible Jul 21 07:40:48 Radix_: I mean the linux kernel is already ported on superH Jul 21 07:41:07 have android arch dependent code ? Jul 21 07:41:18 I've never heard of the 'superH' - so have no idea. Jul 21 07:41:33 Isn't that a gas station? Jul 21 07:41:37 ok... I will change the question Jul 21 07:42:03 ha! Jul 21 07:42:06 http://www.yelp.com/biz/super-h-mart-duluth Jul 21 07:42:27 http://www.superh-linux.org/ Jul 21 07:42:28 ok, more of a grocery store Jul 21 07:42:47 Radix_: yep I know, today I bought a polaroid "class 6" and it performed worse than my kingston class 4 (based on speed tests) Jul 21 07:43:08 aLeSD: superH mobile ? Jul 21 07:43:13 I suspect he means that one.. but first I've heard of it and doubt anyone's ported it - it's prettymuch x86 and arm atm Jul 21 07:43:15 luckily i live in america and i can always make use of the return policy! :D Jul 21 07:43:16 prodigy_: ya, there's not standard benchmark the vendors use Jul 21 07:43:30 prodigy_: I bet a kingston class 6 performs better than a kingston class 4 hough Jul 21 07:43:39 aLeSD: or SH-X ? Jul 21 07:43:44 amason_: no set top box TVB Jul 21 07:43:48 DVB Jul 21 07:44:17 spikebike: yeah I agree, the problem is there's only class 6 kingston with 4 gigs as far as I know, I rather have 8gigs+ Jul 21 07:44:28 JesusFreke: u still here? Jul 21 07:44:30 I'm thinking to substitute de software of our set top box . with android Jul 21 07:44:35 nope Jul 21 07:44:48 lol could i ask u a couple of questions? Jul 21 07:44:53 aLeSD: i which part of android specifically are you interested in ? Jul 21 07:45:00 you just asked 2 Jul 21 07:45:07 lmao =P Jul 21 07:45:36 amason_: it's the first time I ask for something ... and the first time I'm tring to understand what I need Jul 21 07:45:36 JesusFreke: k hm where does apps2sd get intalled on ramdisk or kernel? Jul 21 07:45:50 aLeSD: i think you might struggle since superH is 16bit afaik Jul 21 07:45:51 D. none of the above Jul 21 07:45:58 aLeSD: arm is 32bit Jul 21 07:46:26 prodigy: trancend Jul 21 07:46:29 JesusFreke: ok so what does the ramdisk provide? interms of stuff that is rom specific Jul 21 07:46:40 and the kernel* Jul 21 07:46:42 what are people's input on swap or compcache here on sdcards? drastic improvement? will the phone last longer? (I don't care about sdcards if it lasts me for good 8-12 months, by that time I can always buy another one) Jul 21 07:46:45 aLeSD: what do you currently run on there ? linux+busybox ? Jul 21 07:47:06 Radix_: yeah, good brand, I should look into getting me a 8gig transcent class 6...just don't know what to do with my kingston afterwards rofl Jul 21 07:47:10 k4r1m-sleepmode: for the ramdisk Jul 21 07:47:10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initrd Jul 21 07:47:13 amason_: I never tried ... but yes it shoud work Jul 21 07:47:25 prodigy_: ebay Jul 21 07:47:26 for the kernel: Jul 21 07:47:26 aLeSD: actually it looks like superH is 32 bit Jul 21 07:47:26 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel Jul 21 07:47:30 it might work Jul 21 07:47:46 i would try replacing the kernel and then compile . See what breaks Jul 21 07:48:04 amason_: the question is ... I have my linux kenel and the linux drivers for my hw ... what I need more to run android ? Jul 21 07:48:17 the java virtual machine ? Jul 21 07:48:17 JesusFreke: if you don't mind reading for a bit here is my question which is kinda of rom specific :D Jul 21 07:48:32 k4r1m-sleepmode: I'm actually about to go to bed Jul 21 07:48:38 Radix_: too lazy Jul 21 07:48:39 aLeSD: the rest of the environment. :) Jul 21 07:49:04 lol Jul 21 07:49:04 JesusFreke: sounds like a fun store :) Jul 21 07:49:12 JesusFreke: meet too lol i saw ur name so i decided not to, its all good though :D Jul 21 07:49:13 k4r1m-sleepmode: plus, I really don't have much of anything to do with apps2sd. You would be much better off asking someone else anything apps2sd related. You'll just get snarky answers from me Jul 21 07:49:14 Radix_: played with swap or compcache yet? Jul 21 07:49:19 prodigy_: heh.. I'm like that too.. always buy stuff on ebay.. too much work to sell ;) Jul 21 07:49:26 aLeSD: grab the source for android and have alooksee Jul 21 07:49:42 amason_: I will . Thanks Jul 21 07:49:49 anyway, I'm off to bed :) Jul 21 07:49:51 prodigy_: I've never needed to really - I have the 288MB Magic and it runs pretty good without it. Jul 21 07:50:04 JesusFreke: its not really just about apps2sd, just trying to understand the concept of ramdisk and the kernel but anyways gnight Jul 21 07:50:32 Radix_: ahhh..you have the magic hehe, no wonder Jul 21 07:50:42 k4r1m-sleepmode: then those 2 wikipedia articles should be good reading. They describe both quite well Jul 21 07:51:27 JesusFreke: well i do understand what a kernel is but interms of different devices need different kernel is what i dont understand Jul 21 07:51:35 aLeSD: good luck Jul 21 07:51:46 the kernel contains code that interfaces with the hardware Jul 21 07:52:01 :D Jul 21 07:52:04 if the hardware is different.. you need different code Jul 21 07:52:32 he has a kernel Jul 21 07:52:35 JesusFreke: ok so across all of the different g1 roms they mostly all use the same kernel? Jul 21 07:52:41 so its just a matter of how arch specific the rest is Jul 21 07:52:58 might be some ASM in the virtual machine Jul 21 07:54:24 ?? Jul 21 08:01:46 Radix_, I also have an HTC Magic 32A. Jul 21 08:02:39 Kinnoken: cool - I love mine! Jul 21 08:02:51 excellent I just got a google voice account Jul 21 08:03:02 now to play with the android app ;-) Jul 21 08:03:49 whats the differnece in the 2 magics Jul 21 08:04:13 Radix_, I'm trying to get a kernel up and running with netfilter and iptables for tethering. ;/ Jul 21 08:04:18 facelessloser: Read this: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Sapphire Jul 21 08:04:34 Kinnoken: oh sweet.. let me know how you go! Jul 21 08:05:03 I was hoping you had some advice. XD Jul 21 08:08:22 Kinnoken: lol.. sorry, I've not tried my hand at building an android kernel yet. Everything I know is in the wiki ;) Jul 21 08:08:40 oh well Jul 21 08:11:59 Oh sweet.. my post about the Sapphire hacking wiki got stickied :) Jul 21 08:13:46 * Topic is 'Welcome to #android-dev, for Android Application Development. Got a question? Just ask! SDK 1.5 ships! http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/04/android-15-is-here.html' Jul 21 08:13:46 * Set by ctate on Fri May 29 03:18:55 Jul 21 08:13:46 greetings to all, can anyone help me with the "dip", how to set it in cod ? Jul 21 08:13:46 code*? Jul 21 08:13:46 * Guest35723 (n=tr0n@196-210-132-4-nngy-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za) has joined #android-dev Jul 21 08:13:48 * Guest35723 is now known as Kinnoken Jul 21 08:13:50 guys, can anyone please help me and tell me how to set margins in dp with java ? Jul 21 08:13:52 * Disconnected Jul 21 08:13:54 * Attempting to rejoin channel #android-dev Jul 21 08:13:56 * Rejoined channel #android-dev Jul 21 08:13:58 * Topic is 'Welcome to #android-dev, for Android Application Development. Got a question? Just ask! SDK 1.5 ships! http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/04/android-15-is-here.html' Jul 21 08:14:01 * Set by ctate on Fri May 29 03:18:55 Jul 21 08:14:03 how to set the margins with Density-independent pixels in code ? Jul 21 08:14:05 how to set padding for a layout in java ocde ? Jul 21 08:14:07 guys , anybody hereeeee ? Jul 21 08:14:09 umm.. spam Jul 21 08:14:09 * k4r1m is now known as k4r1m-sleepmode Jul 21 08:14:11 * xsdg_ is now known as xsdg Jul 21 08:14:13 I love it when code works perfectly the first time. Jul 21 08:14:15 how to set the margins with Density-independent pixels in code ? Jul 21 08:14:17 Jul 21 08:14:25 ? Jul 21 08:15:22 Ayman: You need to learn patience on IRC - not everyone is waiting on your every word to answer your questions, and those that are aren't necessarily the ones who can actually answer it. Jul 21 08:15:38 Well handled. Jul 21 08:15:39 if it's urgent, go google it Jul 21 08:16:39 Radix, i have been here for an hour, i can wait more Jul 21 08:16:49 but i want to make sure that ppl are reading my question Jul 21 08:16:51 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=device+independent+pixels+android+developer Jul 21 08:17:23 :) Jul 21 08:18:49 Ayman, I'm sure somebody already explained this to you the other day. Jul 21 08:21:46 night laddies and droiders Jul 21 08:30:32 That reminds me of this blog entry and in the comments are stuff like "How do I become the greatest software programmer in the world?" Jul 21 08:31:46 like there's just one thing that someone else knows that they're holding back until you can ask the right question... Jul 21 08:35:07 Hi Jul 21 08:40:57 does anyone know if the 2300mAh has the same thickness as the 2600mah bettery? Jul 21 08:41:00 battery* Jul 21 08:41:12 the cover they sell with the 2300mah battery seems to be a better design. Jul 21 08:43:21 different design strongly implies to me that the batteries aren't the same shape Jul 21 08:43:29 designs cost money Jul 21 08:43:38 it's from different companies though Jul 21 08:43:49 oh, well, nevermind then ;-) Jul 21 08:43:51 they both stick out, but the 2600mah sticks out at all corners Jul 21 08:44:11 the 2300 only has a bump where the battery is thus making the speaker not sound muffled :) Jul 21 08:44:29 guess I'll have to buy a 2300mah battery too (bah_ Jul 21 08:44:30 ) Jul 21 08:46:06 lol @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19DionDFcmY Jul 21 08:49:16 lclear Jul 21 09:33:38 hello Jul 21 09:33:46 i have a big problem Jul 21 09:34:05 I was told to use setSingleLineTextArea to go to next lines in a TextArea. First of all, as I was told, I removed library of LWUIT from my computer then I downloaded the com directory from https://lwuit.dev.java.net/svn/lwuit.../LWUIT/src/com and I copied to my project's src folder (as I was told). Unfortunately, when I build it I come across with several errors( nearly 100) which says : Jul 21 09:34:18 C:\Users\GE Biliþim\Documents\NetBeansProjects\MobileApplication66\src\com\sun\tools\javac\main\JavaCompiler.java:368: warning: as of release 1.4, 'assert' is a keyword, and may not be used as an identifier Jul 21 09:34:19 (use -source 1.4 or higher to use 'assert' as a keyword) Jul 21 09:34:19 assert !hasBeenUsed : "attempt to reuse JavaCompiler"; Jul 21 09:34:24 pls help me guys :(( Jul 21 09:36:04 this haas what to do with android? Jul 21 09:39:42 nope Jul 21 09:39:44 but it is j2me :S Jul 21 09:40:06 tonyukuk: then go to ##java Jul 21 09:44:35 Please any one suggest that the android patch link http://benno.id.au/android/android-noqemu-nogoldfish-noyaffs2.diff could be better starting point for porting android for MIPS by replacing arm stuff by mips. Jul 21 10:09:54 Hello Jul 21 10:10:18 i am facing problems with ListActivity Jul 21 10:11:09 I am not able to get focus on an item of list when the list is loaded Jul 21 10:35:42 I wish there was a site that compared speeds of all or almost all possible microsdhc cards Jul 21 11:05:22 good afternoon everyone Jul 21 11:05:54 I have a problem with the android init.rc Jul 21 11:06:12 I have a background program that I wish to start automatically Jul 21 11:06:28 and I've added a service to init.rc to achieve that Jul 21 11:06:39 but it works in the emulator Jul 21 11:06:47 Okay, can anyone help me out with building a kernel for android? Jul 21 11:06:47 but not on the dev phone Jul 21 11:07:15 anyone got a clue? Jul 21 11:07:38 i've been googling around all week but haven't found anything similar yet Jul 21 11:26:11 Hi Jul 21 11:26:42 does anyone know if it is possible to sell documents through Android Market Jul 21 11:26:51 If I for instance have written a book Jul 21 11:27:01 or is it only for applications ?? Jul 21 11:27:17 i would also like to know the answer to this question Jul 21 11:27:18 you would have to shove the book in an app Jul 21 11:27:25 you could probably write an app to install the book Jul 21 11:27:30 or, yeah Jul 21 11:27:37 users tend to not like that though since it cutters up their launch screen Jul 21 11:27:56 blau-mikeDG: what about something that requires credits or subscription fees or the like? is there any way to handle that? I'm guessing no Jul 21 11:28:04 nope Jul 21 11:28:07 well yes... but what happens if I write another book.. do I need to create a new app that installs that book too..or can you just download the book through the Android Market?? Jul 21 11:28:53 f^x, subscription fees violate the markets ToS Jul 21 11:28:54 IIRC Jul 21 11:28:58 blau-mikeDG: google really should have a checkout api in android so you can buy shit from inside apps. Jul 21 11:29:06 wait, why is that against the tos Jul 21 11:29:08 i agree Jul 21 11:29:29 Not sure, I was just told it was.s Jul 21 11:29:34 weird Jul 21 11:29:46 It would be greate if I buy an app, then like you guys said..through the app, buy more features..documents or whatever Jul 21 11:29:55 yeah exactly Jul 21 11:30:03 i also have an app that i want that feature in Jul 21 11:31:03 maybe the whole business idea is to sell the features, documents.. the starting application can be for free Jul 21 11:32:26 Okay, can anyone help me out with building a kernel for android? Jul 21 11:32:30 i have downloaded live ISO of android.. have also booted it in my virtual machine.. i want to run some console program.. how do i find shell for this? Jul 21 11:40:47 Kinnoken: yes, sup? Jul 21 11:41:47 lianj, is that in regards to my message hours ago, or is that about the kernel? Jul 21 11:41:50 i have connected to the emulator through adb.exe how do i fire commands like "cd", "ls" Jul 21 11:42:00 smartfish, adb shell Jul 21 11:42:01 ls -l Jul 21 11:42:35 i want to do it for actual OS not for emulator Jul 21 11:43:57 Well, if you're connected via ADB... Jul 21 11:44:01 Should work just fine? Jul 21 11:44:31 yes.. ill just check Jul 21 11:45:35 how do i find adb on OS Jul 21 11:45:37 ? Jul 21 11:46:36 ADB is on your linux/windows PC. Jul 21 11:46:56 If you want to open a console on the actual system running android, you'll need some kind of terminal emulator. Jul 21 11:47:49 where do i find terminal emulator? Jul 21 11:48:14 There have been a few on the android market... Jul 21 11:48:30 ok Jul 21 11:51:38 can you suggest any terminal emulator? Jul 21 11:53:35 smartfish: you're connected via adb... where does that adb run then? Jul 21 11:53:43 connectbot can be used that way as well Jul 21 11:54:54 ok.... Jul 21 11:55:18 i was connected to emulator through adb Jul 21 11:55:23 select connectiontype local Jul 21 11:55:37 ok Jul 21 11:56:33 smartfish: are you talking about the the liveandroid running on your VM, or a cellphone android running in the emulator? Jul 21 11:57:18 liveandroid Jul 21 11:57:29 running on VN Jul 21 11:57:34 *VM Jul 21 11:57:55 and adb running on your host OS? Jul 21 11:58:20 Please any one suggest that the android patch link http://benno.id.au/android/android-noqemu-nogoldfish-noyaffs2.diff could be better starting point for porting android for MIPS by replacing ARM stuff by MIPS. Jul 21 11:58:53 i am not running any adb Jul 21 11:59:23 13:41:50 < smartfish> i have connected to the emulator through adb.exe how do i fire commands like "cd", "ls" Jul 21 12:00:11 I'm a bit lost now. Jul 21 12:00:12 type them? Jul 21 12:00:38 oh!! i want to run similar commands on real OS as i do on emulator as above Jul 21 12:00:53 He wants a terminal on the android live OS. Jul 21 12:01:12 yes Jul 21 12:01:17 exactly Jul 21 12:03:05 Kinnoken: heh, just woke up. it was about some hours ago.. nevermind :) Jul 21 12:12:42 Kinnoken: btw, not sure to want android on x86. iam happy with grml and build/release frameworks that bootstrap/install from latest linux branches instead, to build your own updated distro.. not these checksums missing liveandroid.iso ;) Jul 21 12:17:38 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/20/technology/20cell.html?_r=1&partner=rss Jul 21 12:17:41 Interesting article. Jul 21 12:20:38 Gary: thnx Jul 21 12:22:16 what is transitivE? Jul 21 12:22:19 transitive colours Jul 21 12:22:36 transitive coloured menu for instance Jul 21 12:25:49 jelg: no probs :p Jul 21 12:29:15 FML Jul 21 13:00:18 anybody here that can explain why a service starts in the emulator but not on the DevPhone Jul 21 13:34:11 i need a good strategy for reconciling checking accounts on a tiny mobile phone screen Jul 21 13:39:30 anyone ever had their G1 fail to sync with Gmail and require you to use a captcha to restart the sync? Jul 21 13:42:32 maxamillion: no Jul 21 13:42:36 not me at least :) Jul 21 13:44:34 madis: it was really weird, I've had my G1 for close to like 8 months and yesterday there was an "error: failed to sync, much reauthenticate" ... so I figured I'd have to type my password again, nope! ... the phone popped up a little window with a captcha in it and asked me to type to letters I saw Jul 21 13:44:39 was very weird Jul 21 13:44:56 sounds googly though Jul 21 13:45:15 but why a captcha? Jul 21 13:45:18 it seems to be working just fine now, was just wondering if anyone might have seen something similar Jul 21 13:45:24 madis: my thoughts *exactly* Jul 21 13:45:43 I didn't understand why on a mobile device a captcha was the direction they went for a re-auth Jul 21 13:46:02 I mean, one possible explanation would be, that the sync interface is being abused by bots (not real devices)? Jul 21 13:46:28 I'm not that familiar with gmail, so it's hard to speculate :) Jul 21 13:48:52 well, I guess that would make sense ... its really just a network attached device, so the bot theory is quite likely Jul 21 13:48:56 unfortunate, but likely Jul 21 13:52:08 hi all Jul 21 13:52:35 hi Jul 21 13:53:51 I would to ask one question... also because I'm not sure I should stay here instead of #android-dev Jul 21 13:54:05 :) Jul 21 13:55:05 I have to develop an application using the camera, but the MediaRecoder class is not fitting for me... Jul 21 13:55:36 I do not have to save the information on a file, but sending them on Internet directly, real-time. Jul 21 13:56:45 So I should probably create my own code to manage the byte stream coming from the camera Jul 21 13:56:54 Maurizio: a video stream or still image captures? Jul 21 13:57:05 video I assume Jul 21 13:57:07 video and audio stream Jul 21 13:57:20 Maurizio: the view-finder resolution will not do? Jul 21 13:57:39 view-finder resolution? Jul 21 13:58:57 Maurizio: the size of the image you get on the display Jul 21 14:03:59 has anyone played with the new Hero Rom? I heard you could flash the G1 for it, but haven't found any decent references, aside from vids showing how it looks Jul 21 14:09:21 Alien_Freak: enjoy having the slowest phone in the world if you flash your G1 w/ hero rom, from what I've heard. Jul 21 14:10:56 I heard it wasn't too bad.. Jul 21 14:11:23 vol_: strange that it would become so slow... it has the same cpu Jul 21 14:11:35 only somewhat less ram - for htc sense that may matter Jul 21 14:11:50 sipa1024: you're loading a lot of stuff that expects a much better cpu as I understand. Jul 21 14:12:12 it should have a faster cpu, as I understand it Jul 21 14:12:20 I could be totally wrong Jul 21 14:12:36 i'm anxious to see how sluggish it is :p Jul 21 14:14:27 Alien_Freak: I had it on my htc magic - with widgets and the touchflo interface it's pretty sluggish Jul 21 14:14:45 and that's with 288mb ram too Jul 21 14:15:02 hero rom on magic hw? Jul 21 14:15:11 yah Jul 21 14:15:28 if you use the normal android home tho then it's not so bad Jul 21 14:15:59 just the hardware issues are annoying after a while.. no led light for charging, no bluetooth headset support Jul 21 14:16:39 the htc apps are nice, but they don't seem like they've been optimised at all - all of them are a little sluggish Jul 21 14:17:16 initially it's pretty bad, it improves a bit over time... but do a handful of things and the memory fills up quick and it becomes sluggish again Jul 21 14:17:53 Ikinda like the new HTC Album... Jul 21 14:18:02 But I dislike multi-touch. ;/ Jul 21 14:18:16 Rather have the magnifying glass icons. Jul 21 14:18:49 I am an android fan. Jul 21 14:19:02 Hi. Jul 21 14:19:23 Hello, kinnoken. Jul 21 14:20:02 Radix_: i hope it's better on the real hero, but i begin to fear for it :) Jul 21 14:20:05 .topic Jul 21 14:20:09 i liked built in social support for flickr/facebook/twitter Jul 21 14:20:27 easy upload of pictures and status on all three Jul 21 14:20:35 what irc client would one use on android? Jul 21 14:21:06 screen + ssh ? there is one irc client but it was meh.. okayish Jul 21 14:21:09 connectbot + irssi + screen ;) Jul 21 14:21:12 firc feels pretty nice. Jul 21 14:21:20 good call, blunden. Jul 21 14:21:34 I want a quassel client for android :( Jul 21 14:21:45 terminal should do the trock. Jul 21 14:22:00 is ssh installed by default? Jul 21 14:22:02 works on pretty much every OS :) Jul 21 14:22:06 no Jul 21 14:22:07 i wqil find out Jul 21 14:22:20 connectbot is free though Jul 21 14:22:33 dang it, i want real ssh now! Jul 21 14:22:54 why is connectbot not real ssh? Jul 21 14:23:02 whats not real about it? Jul 21 14:23:07 just.. open up terminal Jul 21 14:23:09 that's real ssh Jul 21 14:23:15 i want command line, yall. Jul 21 14:23:19 you Jul 21 14:23:25 understand Jul 21 14:23:26 there is no terminal Jul 21 14:23:31 ye Jul 21 14:23:43 i have terminal Jul 21 14:23:53 ssh is a protocol + an implementation thereof to connect to a remote shell Jul 21 14:24:04 exactly Jul 21 14:24:06 r Jul 21 14:24:08 connectbot is another implementation for that protocol Jul 21 14:24:14 for the client side, that is Jul 21 14:24:26 but it is not the command 'ssh' Jul 21 14:24:27 a good one I might add Jul 21 14:24:44 sipa1024: there is connectbot that implements ssh2 in java and on rooted g1s you have a native ssh binary in your $PATH Jul 21 14:25:17 you can also run debian and just install whatever the hell you want Jul 21 14:25:46 on JF builds you also have: which ssh; /system/xbin/ssh Jul 21 14:26:10 no need for debian and missing your calls Jul 21 14:26:13 lianj: though connectbot is the best terminal I've used on android anyway Jul 21 14:26:13 dropbear ssh lacks important features. Jul 21 14:26:48 blunden: yes, i vote for connectbot. but the native one should be there as a solid fallback Jul 21 14:26:59 sure Jul 21 14:27:06 Hi.. has anybody tried rooting the g1 phone to enable WPA2 enterprise? Jul 21 14:27:39 connectbot hasn't worked for me :( Jul 21 14:27:41 hmmm Jul 21 14:28:01 connectbot works quite good in the android emulator Jul 21 14:28:13 it just says it failed to connect all the time in the emulator for me Jul 21 14:28:14 what is the best way to learn android programming. Are there any specialist university courses, or best to just get stuck in and go and work for someone? Jul 21 14:28:30 although that might be better if asked in android-dev... Jul 21 14:28:36 i think a college course would be massive overkill Jul 21 14:28:37 i found connectbot pretty stable on g1 and emulator. it also comes with a little testsuite Jul 21 14:28:58 shomon: read through the api demos and the hello world stuff on the site Jul 21 14:28:58 shomon: good luck finding a college course. Jul 21 14:28:59 learned most of android while reading connectbots source :D Jul 21 14:29:03 smartfish: I never got wpa2 enterprise to work but I never had time to try that much Jul 21 14:29:03 The best way to is to just dive right in. Jul 21 14:29:07 shomon: I know there is already an Android programming book out there, even though it is not up to date Jul 21 14:29:15 it's supposed to work Jul 21 14:29:31 shomon: Just start reading, and go : ) http://developer.android.com/guide/basics/what-is-android.html Jul 21 14:29:41 Assuming you already have the sdk set up (if you don't, click the sdk tab at the top) Jul 21 14:29:53 :) Cool answers... Jul 21 14:30:07 yeah I've had a go at making an app or two... Jul 21 14:30:35 are there any companies starting to do android apps here and there? Jul 21 14:30:52 I suspect if I study seriously, I'd have to include symbian and iphone :P Jul 21 14:30:52 specially there Jul 21 14:31:14 well where are you jelg - I'll draw a line from there past the earth's core... :) Jul 21 14:31:34 bnovc: how about trying it on the device? Jul 21 14:31:37 lolz. college course on G1.. wow... there are some android interest groups that could be useful... Jul 21 14:31:48 but you really don't need a class for it.. it's just a fun toy with a java api ... Jul 21 14:31:50 works there for me everytime Jul 21 14:32:08 and google is pretty nice with the documentation Jul 21 14:32:22 and an NDK for native C apps Jul 21 14:32:25 maybe my destiny is to start the first android programming course... Jul 21 14:32:43 but probably not. unless I get a proper vision, and given a sword etc... Jul 21 14:33:05 shomon there are android courses in sweden :) Jul 21 14:33:10 you can't push NDK apps through the market though, can you? Jul 21 14:33:28 blunden: i dont have a device Jul 21 14:33:39 good to know, thanks blunden - the 2 day kind like here in the UK, or more like "advanced mobile device programming" Jul 21 14:33:54 shomon: ALK just released CoPilot which is turn by turn gps nav Jul 21 14:34:07 (I'm biased, but I rather like it) Jul 21 14:34:10 Alien_Freak: why not? Jul 21 14:34:14 why biased? Jul 21 14:34:21 vol_: he works for them :p Jul 21 14:34:22 vol_, I'd love to try it. Jul 21 14:34:24 both a summer course and a more serious one I think Jul 21 14:34:26 ehm Jul 21 14:34:26 ah :) Jul 21 14:34:31 i work for Garmin Jul 21 14:34:39 no you don't :\ Jul 21 14:34:44 yes i do Jul 21 14:34:45 bnovc, hurry up with the garmin apps. Jul 21 14:35:05 hmmm... sounds good blunden! Jul 21 14:35:09 Kinnoken: not my job :P Jul 21 14:35:15 GPS COCKPIT Jul 21 14:35:19 who is ALK, vol_ ? Jul 21 14:35:20 i just have some down time at work so playing with android lately Jul 21 14:35:21 o_O Jul 21 14:35:28 shomon: www.alk.com Jul 21 14:35:40 bnovc: I see, kinda hard without the device ;) Jul 21 14:35:44 seriously? Jul 21 14:35:47 you can publish NDK apps? Jul 21 14:35:49 Al Koholic is the premier developer of GPS software for the driving impaired Jul 21 14:35:55 Alien_Freak: we did ;) Jul 21 14:35:57 ;) Jul 21 14:35:59 oh nice... Jul 21 14:36:25 I haven't gotten the NDK working yet...but definitely looking at that again now Jul 21 14:36:49 blunden: ya.. i have some phones but i can't easily put android on them unfortunetly Jul 21 14:37:00 it takes a little while to get set up, and you have to learn a bit of JNI, but once you do it will really help if you have C libraries that you absolutely must use Jul 21 14:37:03 K Jul 21 14:37:26 so you publish NDK apps per architecture, and re-publish a binary for each architecture that's supported Jul 21 14:38:13 Looks good vol_ although I generally go for open source/open content, specially with data intensive stuff like gps. Don't see much of a long term business model otherwise. Jul 21 14:38:20 I'm curious how the market is going to handle this. When non-armv5 phones come on the market, will there be different choices for the market as to how to publish it, like it does with region. Jul 21 14:38:24 yeah, some kind apps of apps just need native code Jul 21 14:38:35 vol_: opencv with ndk would be nice, but horrible slow on devices, i supose Jul 21 14:38:45 hmm.... Qt app anyone? Jul 21 14:39:26 qt? Jul 21 14:39:31 Qt! Jul 21 14:39:53 huh? Jul 21 14:40:02 hehe running the greenphone inside the gphone Jul 21 14:40:09 I want to publish KDE 4 on my android... I'm sure it has all the resources needed to load that environment Jul 21 14:40:11 ... Jul 21 14:40:12 6 years later Jul 21 14:40:45 blunden, it's a graphic toolkit that's LGPL KDE is based on it and a few other nice projects Jul 21 14:40:56 though even Qtcore is pretty sweet Jul 21 14:41:17 ah, ok Jul 21 14:41:48 what's a greenphone lianj ? Jul 21 14:42:15 greenphone was one of the poineer linux phones the failed miserably and used Qt embedded Jul 21 14:42:27 qtopia is the most horrible thing ever Jul 21 14:42:33 anyone know about the keymapping? currently android's MENU button is mapped to RIGHT WINDOW key.... unfortunately, my keyboard doesnt have this, so when it goes into lock mode, i cant unlock Jul 21 14:42:34 Alien_Freak: hrhr ya Jul 21 14:42:43 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenphone Jul 21 14:42:49 oooh... cool Jul 21 14:43:06 i think there are a few phones in asia that use qtopia and 1 or 2 in the U Jul 21 14:43:07 *US Jul 21 14:43:07 it'll happen eventually... Jul 21 14:43:22 the open source phone I mean... Jul 21 14:43:28 * lianj once flashed qtopia on his neo1973 Jul 21 14:43:55 they claimed it was a proof of concept later on and will never make another green phone Jul 21 14:44:08 a good exit strategy, will note that one down... Jul 21 14:44:23 lolz. yup. Jul 21 14:45:04 there are still qtopia phones being developed, so its not that dead Jul 21 14:45:05 I mean... yeah.. we didn't mean you to ACTUALLY use it... wtf is wrong with you.... it's just a phone you paid good money for to show that we could do it... not our fault you're stupid enough to have wasted money on it Jul 21 14:45:17 the greenphone was an example though, for sure Jul 21 14:45:19 Alien_Freak: http://blog.zugschlus.de/archives/840-Bye-bye-KDE.html Jul 21 14:45:24 well.. could be worse.. the open moko was pretty horrible too... highly over priced paper weight Jul 21 14:45:45 but I can watch init.d run on my phone! Jul 21 14:45:49 i think qtopia is easier to use than android but android definitely gives more and costs less Jul 21 14:45:56 that's totally worth $400, even if it doesn't make calls :( Jul 21 14:46:38 we have a greenphone in the office next to me that i've played with :) Jul 21 14:46:48 heh. I'd probably already own a freerunner if it only had qwerty Jul 21 14:46:55 vol_: even after years of development. so true Jul 21 14:47:00 vol_, just install debian.. you can watch your init.d as well Jul 21 14:48:03 it is really amazing how google created android out of nothing. especially if you compare it to openmoko, qtopia and other nice ideas Jul 21 14:49:13 I'd say that the linux kernel is a nice start :P Jul 21 14:49:22 not to mention tremendous financial backing Jul 21 14:49:31 and all the other open source apps it uses Jul 21 14:49:35 yeah.. a couple of million/bills help .. who knew Jul 21 14:49:35 e.g. gnu Jul 21 14:49:42 there are not that many oss apps in android Jul 21 14:49:43 Ge0rG: iam pretty new to android, but what i read, android is in the planing for a long time. and propably started with the right vendors Jul 21 14:49:46 I think the operating budget for openmoko is $47.26 and a box of hot dogs Jul 21 14:49:56 yes... it's gnu/linux bitches.... careful.. or RMS will come out of your closet and haunt you Jul 21 14:50:04 Ge0rG: and theres java already there Jul 21 14:50:06 he'll smother us in his beard : ( Jul 21 14:50:12 Alien_Freak: is it? Jul 21 14:50:16 http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/07/21/etisalat-blackberry-update-was-indeed-spyware-rim-provides-a-so/ Jul 21 14:50:16 we'll disappear into his folds and never be seen again : ( Jul 21 14:50:20 I've got a beard too! :-)# Jul 21 14:50:34 sir, I can tell you now, that your beard has nothing on the nerd king Jul 21 14:50:35 well.. he said it was... Jul 21 14:50:58 actually.. after meeting the guy.. I wanted to rename the lug to take out the gnu part from gnu/linux *shivers* Jul 21 14:50:59 but its only a level 9 beard compared to RMS' level 80 epic beard. Jul 21 14:51:20 no way man.. RMS got legendary beard status. Jul 21 14:51:44 6 generations later, the little hobbits will still be talking about the wise old wizard of old and his beard Jul 21 14:52:12 did he ever make it on to the luxuriant flowing hair site? Jul 21 14:52:30 no idea... Jul 21 14:52:33 just found a mobile web app course, but all j2me. how old... Jul 21 14:52:35 still, there is not much gnu in android. Jul 21 14:52:57 shomon: you're probably not going to find much in the way of university or online courses for android. Jul 21 14:53:08 seriously, dive in, stick around, ask questions, that's probably the best way right now : ) Jul 21 14:53:10 he gave a talk at my university with a few students talking about CS... he called java evil ( at the time it wasn't open source) and scratched his nuts while talking... it was.... an experience Jul 21 14:53:18 maybe a taught research postgrad course would give me the freedom and money to just experiment. Jul 21 14:53:30 Ge0rG: for a company BSD license is close as they get to gnu Jul 21 14:53:48 thanks vol_ sounds like good advice for android per se. Jul 21 14:54:25 * Ge0rG however still wonders why "java" has been chosen over c/c++/whatever Jul 21 14:54:44 because people are too stupid to use unmanaged languages Jul 21 14:55:07 Ge0rG: "virtual" machine, i guess thats the key Jul 21 14:55:10 people are as stupid to use managed languages Jul 21 14:55:23 at least it doesnt leak memory when they do ti Jul 21 14:55:32 and as lianj says, its easier to make it separate Jul 21 14:55:39 just because you add a VM, it doesn't make the program more stable, just the OS/GUI. Jul 21 14:55:39 separeate but equal! Jul 21 14:56:53 Ge0rG: nice fat stack traces instead of "bus error" makes learning easier Jul 21 14:57:18 vol_: I've got bus errors on my g1 already... :P Jul 21 14:57:30 and freezing or forking vm state is fun! Jul 21 14:57:33 are you throwing it from a bus? Jul 21 14:57:41 you can get just as nice backtraces from c Jul 21 14:58:05 c is easier to debug imo Jul 21 14:58:06 vol_: nope. something got f'up in the installation Jul 21 14:58:11 assuming you catch the error in time. chase the nullpointer into oblivion... Jul 21 14:58:51 for me the main part of virtuallizing everything is the ability to freeze and resume. in a world of ec2 instances its a good upperlayer model to keep rolling Jul 21 14:59:52 in android, text vanishes from input fields if you rotate the phone. doesn't sound like freeze&resume is an issue to me Jul 21 15:00:26 if I've taken a nandroid backup, how would I restore it? Jul 21 15:00:51 the view is destroyed and recreated Jul 21 15:00:56 when you rotate Jul 21 15:01:40 Alien_Freak: with fastboot Jul 21 15:02:36 Android on Beagleboard - anyone know why i get this on boot?: scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access 0000 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! Jul 21 15:03:06 what mikedg said. Jul 21 15:03:14 when you rotate the activity is recreated Jul 21 15:03:20 save the content of those fields and restore it Jul 21 15:07:35 and is there anyway to access the sdcard if the phone won't boot? Jul 21 15:08:56 if you have fastboot, boot jf's recovery img. That uses adb. Jul 21 15:09:07 once adb has started, you can adb shell into the p[hone and run mount -a Jul 21 15:09:19 that will load the sdcard. once that's done, you can use adb shell push/pull Jul 21 15:09:23 not great, but it works. Jul 21 15:10:12 whats the standard practise for when a call comes in, i mean what should i call in my app Jul 21 15:10:39 vol_: is there a way/hint to search in a long mail? eg. query and jump to result? Jul 21 15:11:17 I'm.. trying to get fast boot.... but it seems I need to modify some things in my desktop ... Jul 21 15:12:00 and I thought fastboot was part of the sdk Jul 21 15:13:05 Gaz: save your state as you normally would. Jul 21 15:13:13 Your activity will get paused, while the call activity moves to the foreground Jul 21 15:13:30 maybe some broadcast intent gets sent but I don't know offhand tbqh Jul 21 15:13:40 lianj: I have no idea, and I'm not sure why you'd ask me :P Jul 21 15:14:06 iirc a intent does get broadcast Jul 21 15:15:21 vol_: you seam to read alot here, so maybe heard it. hm, gonna submit this as feature request after filling in the bug that crashed my phone twice yesterday :| Jul 21 15:15:51 lianj: Fair enough Jul 21 15:36:50 i can't think of any good apps to make to play aruond with android more Jul 21 15:40:16 make a midi app then bnovc :) Jul 21 15:40:53 i despise making things that are already made and i can't motivate myself to make things just to learn because its trivial at a later point to look up a class/etc. if i need it Jul 21 15:40:56 Has anyone read Pro Android book by Sayed Y. Hashimi? Jul 21 15:41:13 good.. I got my backup Jul 21 15:41:35 now, let's see if I can flash my phone Jul 21 15:47:12 I can't seem to get my phone to get into a fastboot mode Jul 21 15:47:26 what kind of phone? Jul 21 15:47:38 G1 Jul 21 15:47:47 and you're holding camera and powering it on? Jul 21 15:47:48 did you flash the recovery? Jul 21 15:47:50 or just boot to fastboot from does? Jul 21 15:47:59 dos Jul 21 15:48:06 then once you're in the SPL/HBOOT, hitting back while the USB is connected? Jul 21 15:48:32 weird.. g1 users have a weird way of getting to fastboot Jul 21 15:48:36 .... i just press home + power Jul 21 15:48:40 and boom Jul 21 15:49:12 dos? Jul 21 15:49:13 recovery != fastboot Jul 21 15:49:38 sry.. terminal Jul 21 15:49:44 home+power is how G1 users get in to the recovery mode. Jul 21 15:49:45 it's running a JF image... or was Jul 21 15:49:45 I hold down the cam button and get the little rainbow Jul 21 15:49:51 and how ADP1 users do too, fwiw Jul 21 15:50:00 Alien_Freak: right, that's the SPL/HBOOT Jul 21 15:50:13 well ./fastboot devices lists nothing Jul 21 15:50:22 Alien_Freak: if you hit 'back' while you're there and the USB is connected, you get fastboot mode - if you've flashed an SPL that has it Jul 21 15:50:24 would've been nice if certain things between the g1 and htc magic weren't so different. i seem to be one of very few people with the htc magic Jul 21 15:50:29 Alien_Freak: the G1 doesn't come with an SPL that has it Jul 21 15:50:31 so all the g1 knowledge people have to give me, is virtually useless Jul 21 15:50:58 jpa: on the magic, i think you hold volume up to get in to the SPL/HBOOT Jul 21 15:51:18 once flashed it's home + power Jul 21 15:51:23 so, my main issue is.. I have a nandroid backup...and I need to restore it. I can write to the SD card manually if need be Jul 21 15:51:26 jpa: right, that's the recovery Jul 21 15:51:36 jpa: which isn't fastboot ;) Jul 21 15:51:45 oh i thought fastboot and recovery were the same thing heh Jul 21 15:52:03 otherwise, i type into dos: "fastboot boot recovery-RAv1.1.1H.img" Jul 21 15:52:03 stilll not fastboot? Jul 21 15:52:18 when I hit back, I don't have the serial 0 anymore.. but it's not saying fastboot either Jul 21 15:52:23 Alien_Freak: well, if hitting back in the SPL isn't switching you to fastboot mode - and note that you may have to do some setup to let a normal user access the device, because the USB ID is different - then you don't have an SPL that supports it yet Jul 21 15:52:38 Alien_Freak: is the USB cable plugged in? o_O Jul 21 15:52:44 Alien_Freak: it should say fastboot Jul 21 15:52:51 yes... usb is plugged in Jul 21 15:53:27 alright.. so no fastboot. how do I restore from a nandroid backup then. Jul 21 15:53:37 zip all the .img and push them to the sdcard? Jul 21 15:53:45 flash an SPL with it, or use one of the recovery images that have nandroid restore Jul 21 15:54:13 hey Alien_Freak .. what do you know about UFO sightings recently on the isle of man? :P Jul 21 15:54:32 okay, where would I find an SPL with it. Jul 21 15:54:40 snadge: rainbow's in the water? Jul 21 15:54:53 nah.. strange sights appearing about douglas Jul 21 15:54:57 Alien_Freak: on the interwebs! Jul 21 15:55:17 one person i spoke to mentioned a flying craft that appeared to hover in mid air.. and another person i spoke to mentioned strange ball lightning type incidents Jul 21 15:55:29 lolz. thank you. and no, no idea on the sighting... Jul 21 15:56:04 right.. some people suspect that the british have a new type of aircraft with electromagnetic propulsion and its been spotted around this area in the irish sea :P Jul 21 15:56:14 Alien_Freak: xda-devs has some, but unfortunately they use the retarded brain-dead forum search style search engine that doesn't let you search for three letter stuff Jul 21 15:56:55 perhaps its the anunaki lol come to take tom cruise away from us Jul 21 15:57:34 pics or it didn't happen Jul 21 15:57:35 http://android-unleashed.com/2009/06/howto-upgrade-your-android-g1-to-the-latest-radio-spl.html would this work? Jul 21 15:57:46 hi can anyone tell me how I could install android on a non-android phone? Jul 21 15:58:27 aapgorilla: one phone in particular? Jul 21 15:58:45 Alien_Freak: technically, but be aware that SPL is actually a development SPL that /only/ works with the latest radio (i.e., you will have a bricked phone if you change the radio), and it alters the sizes of /system, /data, and /cache Jul 21 15:59:03 sipa1024: the lg arena Jul 21 15:59:20 it seems pretty capable though has a very limited os Jul 21 16:02:45 ARM926EJ-S 32 bit processor + 128 MB ram Jul 21 16:03:50 800x480 is not supported yet by android, i believe Jul 21 16:03:52 :( picasa upload not working for me in real life test.. gprs. connectbot does :} Jul 21 16:03:55 ARMv5TEJ hum Jul 21 16:05:20 I was wondering how you would get it booting even Jul 21 16:06:04 aapgorilla: right now, there don't seem to be any projects to port Android to that device Jul 21 16:06:33 i somewhat doubt there will be, but you never know Jul 21 16:07:05 :( I think many people would be interested Jul 21 16:07:51 the question, however, is whether developers are interested ;) Jul 21 16:09:22 how difficult would it be? Jul 21 16:13:30 they are all away trying to work out how difficult it would be ;) Jul 21 16:13:52 Umm, I'm pretty sure I've used 800x480 in an emulator Jul 21 16:14:27 I reckon an expert in linux/phones could get a port started in an afternoon to a week's effort. Jul 21 16:16:31 unfortunately I am neither, I wouldnt even know where to start or how to get a phone to dualboot Jul 21 16:23:40 err Jul 21 16:23:57 irssi is f'ed up Jul 21 16:26:20 hi Jul 21 16:29:01 awesome.. fastboot check. Jul 21 16:29:15 now I just push all the .img files that the nandroid backedup? Jul 21 16:29:46 data and system are are you really need Jul 21 16:29:52 maybe boot and recovery too Jul 21 16:31:33 hey JF Jul 21 16:31:54 so it'll be ./fastboot system system.img Jul 21 16:32:31 * Ge0rG did a tar.gz backup+restore of /data and now everything is b0rked :/ Jul 21 16:32:49 hmmm.. it still seems to be stuck on waiting for devices though now I have the skateboarding androids Jul 21 16:36:47 holy shit, I have 3G! Jul 21 16:37:41 or I did for a minute, now it says E Jul 21 16:37:52 it's teasing you Jul 21 16:38:21 hahaha Jul 21 16:38:29 why do ppl get so excited over 3g? Jul 21 16:38:31 is it not INCLUDED with the phone? Jul 21 16:40:17 *blinks* Jul 21 16:40:49 jpa: you might want to read up on what 3g actually is Jul 21 16:40:50 * Qwell readys the whip for JesusFreke. Back to work! :) Jul 21 16:41:08 also that was sort of unintentionally Jesus-related. err...yeah. ignore that part. Jul 21 16:41:19 lol Jul 21 16:42:00 Qwell: as long as you don't mention nailing Jul 21 16:42:49 JesusFreke: i know what 3g is... and usually.. if a phone is supposed to be a "smartphone".. isnt it supposed to have 3g? Jul 21 16:42:51 by todays standards i mean.. not 2006 Jul 21 16:43:04 jpa: you obviously don't :) Jul 21 16:43:26 jpa: just because a phone is 3g capable doesn't mean you automatically have a 3g connection Jul 21 16:43:36 bah obviously Jul 21 16:43:52 if the user has a data subscription with their acct, obviously Jul 21 16:43:52 that part was assumed Jul 21 16:43:58 be nice. it depends on the coverage area Jul 21 16:44:11 since Caelum said he had a 3g symbol Jul 21 16:44:13 i assume he has a data account Jul 21 16:44:14 depends on the country too Jul 21 16:44:15 lol Jul 21 16:44:15 and is in a 3g area Jul 21 16:44:31 haha k we're way off of my point Jul 21 16:44:34 go to Denmark and you have 80% + 3G covering Jul 21 16:44:44 i dont care how much how many of you know about 3g Jul 21 16:44:47 let's assume someones in a 3g covered area Jul 21 16:44:56 and they have 3g enabled on their acct Jul 21 16:45:07 if they have a g1.. shouldn't it not be a big surprise if they get a 3g connection? Jul 21 16:45:10 jpa: Caelum was talking about briefly getting a 3g conection. and then you commented that 3g was included with the phone, that it wasn't anything to be excited about Jul 21 16:45:25 obviously he doesn't normally get a 3g connection Jul 21 16:45:28 JesusFreke: yes.. if he's in a 3g area, and has 3g enabled on the acct Jul 21 16:45:43 then i interpreted the situation wrong, my bad Jul 21 16:46:05 it struck me as weird that someone with a phone that's marketed as a 3g highspeed smartphone (g1) was all surprised to see a 3g symbol on his phone Jul 21 16:46:17 also assuming that someone who buys a smartphone and isn't in a 3g coverage area is kinda.... moronic Jul 21 16:46:27 why? Jul 21 16:46:43 jpa i did Jul 21 16:46:51 moron :) Jul 21 16:47:00 im on edge lol Jul 21 16:47:02 a 3g phone also supports 2.5g in general, which might be a lot cheaper to get a data plan for (even if there is 3g coverage...) Jul 21 16:47:19 because to me, a smartphone is for productivity on the go.. not while you're sitting inside with your wifi connection when you could be using your computer Jul 21 16:47:35 to me it's a toy to play with *shrug* Jul 21 16:47:56 * Ge0rG uses the g1 when he is too lazy to wait for a pc to boot up Jul 21 16:48:49 * jpa uses his htc magic for everything Jul 21 16:49:01 social, work, leisure, etc Jul 21 16:49:03 bought a smartphone to actually use it's functions Jul 21 16:49:06 as well as to play around with it Jul 21 16:49:25 jpa: so, are people morons for just not using all of the smartphone functions? Jul 21 16:49:40 Ge0rG: haha don't be antagonistic Jul 21 16:49:49 i was playing devils advocate and making generalizations Jul 21 16:49:57 and yes, to answer your question - you are a moron :) Jul 21 16:49:58 jpa: thats what I'm doing, too Jul 21 16:50:30 jpa: I'm pretty sure we can find a function of your smartphone which you are not using either :P Jul 21 16:51:12 Well, can my phone make me dinner? Jul 21 16:51:29 if you overclock it Jul 21 16:51:56 you'll definitely need to root it Jul 21 16:52:39 jpa: yet Ge0rG mentioned things your phone can do, but you didn't need - quite different from things you'd like it to do but can't :) Jul 21 16:53:20 yeah, being literal got boring Jul 21 16:53:45 but you're right Jul 21 16:53:50 i don't use MS Exchange Jul 21 17:00:38 looking for help.... Jul 21 17:01:07 got htc android scandinavian model aka rogers Jul 21 17:01:32 is there a solution to not playing wmv files on it ? Jul 21 17:01:43 i have read about one with haykuro 4.5 ? Jul 21 17:18:40 Where can I put a script that will get executed on boot-up to change the CPU scaling on bootup? I already know how to change the scaling, but I'd like it to be set upon boot (due to the boot image/kernel having a different freq than I'd like) Jul 21 17:19:16 Kinnoken: what rom? Jul 21 17:19:28 Let's call it Daldroid rom. Jul 21 17:20:11 IT's for an HTC Magic. Jul 21 17:20:31 yo Jul 21 17:20:38 itg, any idea? Jul 21 17:20:58 what is the different between doing String x=new String("ok"); to just String x="ok"; Jul 21 17:21:30 Kinnoken: add it to init.rc, android doesn't really have an init rc system Jul 21 17:21:33 i'm looking; some roms (e.g. cyanogen) will look for /system/sd/userinit.sh on boot and run it if present, but it all depends on who put your rom together Jul 21 17:21:40 tmzt: that'll be lost on flash, though, right? Jul 21 17:21:45 ? Jul 21 17:21:47 tmzt, I wish I could add it to init.rc... Jul 21 17:21:57 oh, yes, of course Jul 21 17:22:06 you have to follow Unpacking and Repacking howto Jul 21 17:22:17 But if you replace init.rc, upon reboot, the old init.rc is back. Jul 21 17:22:36 yes, because it's in the initrd and only on tmpfs Jul 21 17:22:42 Yep. Jul 21 17:22:44 '/system and /data are mounted to that Jul 21 17:22:45 ssh over edge is sooo lagged Jul 21 17:22:50 so do the repacking Jul 21 17:22:55 But there must be an easier way than to repack the boot image? Jul 21 17:22:59 anyone .... Jul 21 17:23:00 no Jul 21 17:23:19 unless your boot.img already provides the hooks Jul 21 17:23:21 (unless you're using a rom that is slightly more ... civilized, and looks for a userinit.sh) Jul 21 17:23:29 right Jul 21 17:24:11 although I would consider that an security risk, since a non-root process can write to sd Jul 21 17:24:31 I'm install the sdk on multiple machine in a lab at our CS building, is there any way to get the sdk to not use /tmp/android? The problem is that once a user starts the sdk they own the /tmp/android directory and no other users can start up the emulator. Jul 21 17:24:57 figure out the scripts, run in chroot or something else Jul 21 17:24:59 tmzt, that sucks man. ;/ Jul 21 17:25:03 you have the source for sdk Jul 21 17:25:12 most of it Jul 21 17:25:33 anyways, thanks. Jul 21 17:27:00 hi everyone Jul 21 17:27:05 anyone know how i can build for v7a/cortexa8/neon? Jul 21 17:27:18 tmzt: you think I could chroot it? Jul 21 17:27:33 the default, it seems, is v5, not v7 Jul 21 17:27:42 so my neon code doesnt compile Jul 21 17:27:52 mcgeagh: v6 for device, v5 for emulator Jul 21 17:28:04 im doing it for device Jul 21 17:28:12 mcgeagh: I think there is a beagle port already Jul 21 17:28:15 im trying to connect to my company's exchange server unsuccesfully, i get the "unable to connect, try again later" error Jul 21 17:28:38 yeah im using the beagle or omap3evm port... but unfortunately, it doesnt recognise neon Jul 21 17:28:46 and by asking my admin about the security policies, he says this: "There is nothing we need to do on our end, the issue is with the support of the Google software stack for the necessary security policies that we require in order to allow synchronization of Exchange data. They need to support not only the Activesync exchange of data, but also all the security policies. This is the same issue that the Palm Pre has." Jul 21 17:29:06 how true is that? Jul 21 17:29:20 meaning certain root certificates I guess Jul 21 17:29:42 if you want to know about pre ask in #webos-internals or #webos Jul 21 17:30:03 tmzt, thx for the help Jul 21 17:30:08 tmzt: I wanna know where android stands on this Jul 21 17:30:21 I'm not "android" Jul 21 17:30:28 hello Jul 21 17:30:34 lol never said you were Jul 21 17:30:41 I think you are "android" Jul 21 17:30:45 maybe someone from google can help you with that, though I believe they don't support it Jul 21 17:30:52 "security policies" sound rather vague Jul 21 17:31:06 i mean if the situation is like my admin says or hes just talking bull**** Jul 21 17:31:14 on their branded stack (sorry, forget what the conference term was as reporte here) Jul 21 17:31:31 I would guess eithers certs or something with ISA Jul 21 17:31:44 do wm devices work? Jul 21 17:31:54 I have no idea Jul 21 17:31:57 * Ge0rG had to hack up additional certs into his phone to use the funambol sync client Jul 21 17:32:02 dont own one Jul 21 17:32:14 if they aren't support activesync probably isn't either Jul 21 17:32:21 so you think I should ask HTC then? Jul 21 17:32:25 can you sync with the m.gmail.com service? Jul 21 17:32:45 are you using one of the carriers with exchange support in their image? Jul 21 17:32:53 yeah Jul 21 17:33:00 ask them? Jul 21 17:33:24 i thought it was htc that added exchange support on android Jul 21 17:33:52 maybe, not sure Jul 21 17:34:01 i heard that as well Jul 21 17:34:02 that might just be for Hero Jul 21 17:34:15 actually i heard the "google Experience" will not include Exchange Jul 21 17:34:29 although I have also heard the GoogleXP is just Firmware Over the iar Jul 21 17:43:46 what is the different between doing String x=new String("ok"); to just String x="ok"; Jul 21 17:46:03 xbxice: in terms of functionality, nothing, afaik Jul 21 17:46:50 xbxice: in terms of the dalvik bytecode produced, I suspect the first would create a new string object and initialize it, while the 2nd would simple create a string constant Jul 21 17:47:28 (so the 2nd would probably be slightly more efficient) Jul 21 17:48:31 jesus: jailbreak my pre!pleasethnx Jul 21 17:48:53 mikedg: send it to me. I promise I'll send it back. really ;) Jul 21 17:49:27 k Jul 21 17:55:34 mikedg: what's wrong? I thought you were in internals? Jul 21 17:56:08 tmzt: lol im just screwing around :) Jul 21 17:56:30 hi mikey Jul 21 17:56:45 im so tempted to start iphone dev, except then id have to carry my iphone around with me Jul 21 17:57:06 JesusFreke: are strings mutable in dalvik? Jul 21 17:57:10 and then id be sol with tethering :( Jul 21 17:57:14 no Jul 21 17:57:17 tmzt: no Jul 21 17:57:22 mikedg: and help people jailbreak their phone so they can actually install your app? Jul 21 17:57:25 nope Jul 21 17:57:37 hm. I have restored a tar-backup of /data, and now some apps seem to be missing permissions: "java.lang.SecurityException: WifiService: Neither user 10039 nor current process has android.permission.ACCESS_WIFI_STATE." is there a way to re-generate the permissions for all installed apps? Jul 21 17:57:39 lol Jul 21 17:58:03 didnt cyanogen have a permission fixer of some sort? Jul 21 17:58:39 JesusFreke: huh, it casts to Strings though, isn't that always an object? Jul 21 17:58:54 or maybe just a reference Jul 21 17:59:43 Ge0rG: I don't know if it's what you're looking for, but look here at FAQ #1 Jul 21 17:59:45 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537204 Jul 21 17:59:52 tmzt: it's an object.. an immutable object Jul 21 18:00:06 there's what he refers to as a "permission fixer script", but i haven't looked into it any more than that Jul 21 18:00:16 TommyBres: thanks, I'll check Jul 21 18:00:27 * Ge0rG still wonders why the permissions have not been backupped as part of /data Jul 21 18:00:41 yeah, strings are "special". they can be created either by creating a new String object, but also as a literal Jul 21 18:00:57 or by performing string operations Jul 21 18:01:00 (via the const-string opcode) Jul 21 18:01:34 Ge0rG: your xml file is out of date with your user database Jul 21 18:01:39 zinx: that just creates a new String object Jul 21 18:01:50 JesusFreke: exactly? Jul 21 18:01:58 not user database, but the filesystem which you tarred Jul 21 18:02:03 so yes, a script should help Jul 21 18:02:17 tmzt: isn't the xml file part of /data/? Jul 21 18:02:31 basically, what I'm saying is that a string can be created with a new-instance and invoke , or with const-string Jul 21 18:02:53 but both are immutable :) Jul 21 18:02:58 Ge0rG: yeah, I think so, I don't fully understand the problem Jul 21 18:03:09 I think it's on of the many tb reported to us early on Jul 21 18:03:18 How to run android emulator on linux? Jul 21 18:05:00 http://tinyurl.com/mlrejz Jul 21 18:05:06 doesn't that seem crazy cheap? Jul 21 18:05:19 TommyBres: did you report that user thing? Jul 21 18:05:26 user thing? Jul 21 18:05:38 ok, fix_permissions.sh just changes the uid, it does not add the app permissions flags to wherever they are stored :/ Jul 21 18:05:45 you know.. that thing.. about users.. Jul 21 18:05:45 when restoring apps the users would become out of sync Jul 21 18:05:59 oh, sorry Ge0rG... like i said i wasnt familiar with it :P Jul 21 18:06:06 why do unix permissions matter here? Jul 21 18:06:16 tmzt: which what who huh? Jul 21 18:06:21 where are users stored anyway? on /data? ;) Jul 21 18:06:26 it's android permissions that where an issue Jul 21 18:06:54 the android permissions and uid assigned to an app is stored in /data/system/packages.xml Jul 21 18:07:02 TommyBres: I can search the logs but I remember you quite unhappy that you restored apps on a new installation and they didn't work Jul 21 18:07:05 yeah. my problem is the java/android permissions setup Jul 21 18:07:20 hmmm Jul 21 18:07:24 * TommyBres thinks Jul 21 18:07:50 When using 'IM' I can't connect to msn, it complains about the phone number cannot be read from the sim card, any ideas? Jul 21 18:07:52 oh, the callerID thing not working after the restore? that didnt work beforehand Jul 21 18:08:29 maybe there was just a f'up of this one application. Jul 21 18:09:07 i think i might have to wipe and start from scratch on my phone, not having caller ID is becoming unbearable Jul 21 18:09:14 haha Jul 21 18:09:18 still not working? Jul 21 18:09:58 nope Jul 21 18:09:58 freenose - The IM application is T-Mobiel specific Jul 21 18:09:58 I dont't know. this cargo-cult'ish "you must wipe now!" thing is really bothering me. Jul 21 18:09:58 Ge0rG: my caller ID, does not work Jul 21 18:09:58 If you're using any other carrier, it won't work except onWiFi Jul 21 18:09:58 question : htc magic (scandinavian model) is there a way to get wmv to work on it ?... Jul 21 18:09:58 every call, incoming/outgoing/missed, says Unknown Jul 21 18:10:22 TommyBres: anything in the lolcats? Jul 21 18:10:23 EugeneKaway: I see, what else can you use for msn? Jul 21 18:10:44 i have a kaiser with android 1.5 and the latest zImage from the git repo. I'm trying to figure out what writes the NMEA data from the GPS, where it's stored, and why satellite info is not being reported. Jul 21 18:10:57 Ge0rG: nothing that i or AakashPatel could see :P Jul 21 18:11:08 (he's the dev of the 2 of us, so his opinion means more coming from stuff like this as far as i'm concerned) Jul 21 18:11:14 freenose - Browse the Market for Communication Jul 21 18:11:19 EugeneKaway: is there a way to set the phone number? Jul 21 18:11:29 TommyBres: maybe you can delete the settings files of the phone app... going half the wipey way? :> Jul 21 18:11:35 already did :) Jul 21 18:11:45 cleared dialer, dialer storage and contacts Jul 21 18:11:54 In 'phone number' I have 'unknown' Jul 21 18:11:54 freenose - nope. That's how the application works. Jul 21 18:12:10 HELLOE.... is there a way to get .wmv to work on htc magic cupcake 1.5 ? Jul 21 18:13:05 i switched from JF1.51 to Cyanogen 3.6.8, i wiped and restored, i cleared the dialer/contacts info, after all of this callerID still doesnt show anything but Unknown Jul 21 18:13:05 easywebhost: transcode to h264? Jul 21 18:13:05 EugeneKaway: ok Jul 21 18:13:31 dkr > eh ? Jul 21 18:13:31 easywebhost: which word did you not understand? Jul 21 18:13:31 dkr > cant do that on live streaming like dr.dk Jul 21 18:14:05 dkr > did you mean code it to h264 format or ? Jul 21 18:14:31 easywebhost: you are correct, can't do that on a live a stream Jul 21 18:15:04 dkr > saw one got it to work on haykuro 4.5... anyone else got so far. And are there a codec on development ? Jul 21 18:16:06 I feel big since I am greater than all that text. :) Jul 21 18:16:38 I have 3G data plan, any ideas why my G1 is using edge instead of 3g? Jul 21 18:17:05 ....because you're not in a 3G area? Jul 21 18:17:11 lol is that a joke o.O Jul 21 18:17:13 I'm Jul 21 18:17:17 :D Jul 21 18:17:24 AT&T, freenose ? Jul 21 18:17:34 * TommyBres is on AT&T Jul 21 18:17:38 ftw Jul 21 18:17:40 The G1 only supports T-Mobile's 3G system. Not AT&T's Jul 21 18:18:01 EugeneKaway: no, outside U.S Jul 21 18:18:07 hmm Jul 21 18:18:15 Same thing Jul 21 18:18:16 OMG Jul 21 18:18:20 the cyan rom Jul 21 18:18:20 T-Mobile uses a non-standard 3G. Jul 21 18:18:22 has Jul 21 18:18:24 has Jul 21 18:18:30 pdf viewer, and quickoffice Jul 21 18:18:37 heh Jul 21 18:18:44 EugeneKaway: not true, outside the US (in europe) everything has 2100mhz 3G Jul 21 18:18:49 asia is 900mhz i believe Jul 21 18:18:51 In NL, the G1 just works on every provider Jul 21 18:18:57 t-mobile, kpn, vodafone Jul 21 18:19:09 TommyBres - and the G1 doesn't support any of those Jul 21 18:19:16 yeah, in most places in europe (i believe there are VERY few exceptions) if you have 2100mhz 3G it works on anything Jul 21 18:19:19 I'm thinking is thas something to do with my apn settings Jul 21 18:19:29 EugeneKaway: the european G1 doesn't suppot 2100mhz 3G? stop lying Jul 21 18:19:36 european is 900/2100mhz, US is 1700/2100mhz Jul 21 18:20:01 Well, that's true Jul 21 18:20:32 lawlz i have teeter now Jul 21 18:20:47 one thing i'm VERY unimpressed with... the cyan image, with EVERYTHING on my sd card, has 9MB of space free Jul 21 18:21:17 TommyBres, and the cyanogen image doesn't have basic stuff like rm, ls, cp, etc Jul 21 18:21:25 ....what? Jul 21 18:21:49 that'd be part of terminal Jul 21 18:22:04 freenose : Yes, it's usually the right apn settings. Jul 21 18:22:20 but those should be the same for 2g and 3g Jul 21 18:22:52 TommyBres: with cyanogen, apps2sd, i have 57MB free (no danger SPL here) Jul 21 18:23:01 TommyBres: do you have a ton of browser/maps/whatever cache or something? Jul 21 18:23:19 itp, i don't think so? i'll clear all of the cache... Jul 21 18:23:42 I need a hand getting this fastboot working Jul 21 18:24:02 itp is it possible it didnt move everything to the sd card? Jul 21 18:24:08 freenose : You should try travelling to another place with 3g. We had a lot of troubles due to some mallfunctioning gsm cells Jul 21 18:24:10 the phone says it's ready... but it doesn't seem to be detected by the binary Jul 21 18:24:11 i had like 39mb free on JF, now i have 9mb Jul 21 18:24:16 KNY: not sure what you mean... rm, ls, cp are all symlinks to busybox Jul 21 18:24:38 ard: Maybe installing a non-tmobile image can fix the issue? Jul 21 18:24:43 oh... in the SD Card and Phone Storage it shows 39MB free Jul 21 18:24:49 ard: I tried, everywhere I go is edge Jul 21 18:24:51 but in the Apps2SD app it showed 9MB Jul 21 18:24:51 that's more like it Jul 21 18:25:06 hmm, you shouldn't have an apps2sd app if you're using cyanogen Jul 21 18:25:10 that's a recipe for disaster Jul 21 18:25:19 freenose : Hmmm, I am on t-mobile, and I am the only one without a t-mobile image. The others have the original (OTA even) and do not use t-mobile Jul 21 18:25:24 well i never used it for anything more than moving apps individually Jul 21 18:25:46 itp, http://pastebin.org/3430 Jul 21 18:25:46 the apps2sd app is just an easier way of throwing 1 app back on internal memory if you want it there Jul 21 18:26:07 freenose : a cell has a size of about 6km from edge to edge. Jul 21 18:26:09 KNY: that's very odd... definitely not normal Jul 21 18:26:17 itp, I'm running it on the emulator Jul 21 18:26:36 itp, I don't know if that would affect anything, but I still hate using it :) Jul 21 18:26:48 ok, anyone wanna tell me why my HTC camcorder crashes every time i try to record? :P Jul 21 18:26:51 TommyBres: part of terminal? Jul 21 18:26:56 freenose : what location are you? Jul 21 18:27:02 TommyBres, lolcat? Jul 21 18:27:02 TommyBres: what version of cyanogen are you using? Jul 21 18:27:09 tmzt he said cyanogen didnt have ls, rm, cp... Jul 21 18:27:13 ard: hmm, weird, I mean the phone should be capable Jul 21 18:27:16 itp, newest stable, 3.6.8 i think Jul 21 18:27:18 TommyBres: that was broken in cyanogen 3.6.8 with the merge from 1.5r3 Jul 21 18:27:23 TommyBres: fixed in 3.6.8.1 Jul 21 18:27:26 ard: I'm in Colombia Jul 21 18:27:26 ....oh Jul 21 18:27:29 freenose : yes :-) Jul 21 18:27:30 where's 3.6.8.1 lol Jul 21 18:27:37 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537204 Jul 21 18:27:47 official cyanogen thread is updated with latest stable release Jul 21 18:27:54 kny: finish gv for pre kthnx Jul 21 18:27:56 apparently a new permission was added for video recording Jul 21 18:27:57 does anyboy know if android ships with ipv6 enabled? If so, is it vulnerable to ipv6 attacks? I'm asking in reference to this tech republic article: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=1955&tag=nl.e036 Jul 21 18:27:58 oh, just updated today Jul 21 18:28:00 hehe Jul 21 18:28:04 ard: so I was thinkg it is a software limitation Jul 21 18:28:05 yeah Jul 21 18:28:11 he tends to push out a lot of releases Jul 21 18:28:15 yeah itp, i knew itd be there but i just installed this yesterday so i figured it wouldnt have been updated Jul 21 18:28:15 * itp hugs nandroid Jul 21 18:28:19 lol Jul 21 18:28:28 * TommyBres hugs nandroid restore in the recovery image Jul 21 18:28:35 for sure Jul 21 18:29:14 KNY: not sure why the emulator is/would be different... my G1 has cyanogen latest, and ls is in /system/xbin/bb/ls as a symlink to busybox Jul 21 18:29:25 TommyBres: yes, but that doesn't mean it's "in terminal" Jul 21 18:29:33 freenose : I don't know about colombia, and why it doesn't work. In NL there are some strict rules on how it should work before they can lease the frequencies Jul 21 18:29:34 terminal is just a way to connect to a shell Jul 21 18:29:41 tmzt i'm confused, i dont really know what youre saying Jul 21 18:29:48 like, if ls/cp/rm didnt work in cyanogen Jul 21 18:29:55 i'd go into terminal, type ls and it wouldnt do anything? Jul 21 18:30:05 well yeah, I guess Jul 21 18:30:07 TommyBres, you'd see a pastebin like what I pasted Jul 21 18:30:09 okay then Jul 21 18:30:10 if I understand your question Jul 21 18:30:15 KNY i just went into terminal and typed ls Jul 21 18:30:22 and it showed a full list of the files in the directory Jul 21 18:30:26 but you would probably see sh: ls: not found Jul 21 18:30:30 or something liek that Jul 21 18:30:31 TommyBres, then I got a shitty image Jul 21 18:30:38 perhaps Jul 21 18:31:20 ard: hmm ok Jul 21 18:32:42 from where do I get an official android non-tmobile image for the G1? Jul 21 18:33:09 freenose, you can get a JF image or a cyanogen image from www.xda-developers.com Jul 21 18:33:30 * lianj wants vim7! not busybox's shitty vi clone.. Jul 21 18:33:37 oh OFFICIAL? Jul 21 18:33:39 from htc.com Jul 21 18:34:07 TommyBres: isn't there something like a vanilla android image? Jul 21 18:34:21 i don't think so Jul 21 18:34:36 the only official roms i've seen are for european dreams, US G1's, or the dev phone Jul 21 18:35:21 freenose : http://www.htcwiki.com/page/T+Mobile+G1 Jul 21 18:35:29 HSDPA/WCDMA: Jul 21 18:35:30 Europe: 2100 MHz Jul 21 18:35:35 russellb:1700/2100 MHz Jul 21 18:35:45 eh s/russelb/us/ Jul 21 18:35:46 im out guys Jul 21 18:35:48 ttyl Jul 21 18:36:14 and according to : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands Jul 21 18:36:23 therer are more bands than those Jul 21 18:36:50 ard: You think I should try the euro image? Jul 21 18:36:58 or the dev phone Jul 21 18:37:27 freenose : I suggest trying the figure out your umts frequencies. I fear colombia also does 850MHz... Jul 21 18:37:54 freenose : personally I have put the ADP-1.5.1 JF image on my phone Jul 21 18:39:20 freenose : But maybe the radio ( frequencies) are software upgradeable... Jul 21 18:39:59 i really hope that android improves its error messages at some point Jul 21 18:40:01 freenose : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks Jul 21 18:40:09 these stupid "cannot inflate class" messages, etc. are awful... and they're runtime! Jul 21 18:40:12 ard: I get 3G using the same sim with this phone http://www.nokiausa.com/find-products/phones/nokia-n95/specifications Jul 21 18:41:27 ard: uses 850/1900 for HSDPA Jul 21 18:41:29 freenose : if I look at the frequencies, colombia uses the same as the US, so if anything, try a US image Jul 21 18:41:31 * bnovc sighs at the enormous disappoints he has w/android Jul 21 18:42:32 ard: from where do I get the us image? Jul 21 18:42:49 bnovc - It's not Android's fault you wrote buggy code. Jul 21 18:43:09 ard: "us" vs. "russellb" is quite a typo :-) Jul 21 18:43:49 russellb : that's auto completion :-( Jul 21 18:43:57 the keys are like right next to eachother ;) Jul 21 18:44:06 totally Jul 21 18:44:16 russellb : any letters followed by : will be auto completed Jul 21 18:44:18 stupid IRC clients complete from the middle of words Jul 21 18:44:23 russellb: http://www.bash.org/?5300 Jul 21 18:44:31 sipa1024 - is that the one I think it is? Jul 21 18:44:32 ss: would complete as russellb on some clients too Jul 21 18:44:38 EugeneKay: it might well be :) Jul 21 18:44:38 Qwell: silly. Jul 21 18:44:41 Ah, it is. Jul 21 18:45:01 Signs you are a nerd: you know what a bash quote is from the number. Jul 21 18:45:09 EugeneKay: its android's fault it has unusable errors and documentation Jul 21 18:45:28 EugeneKay: honestly, if someone else had posted that url, i would have known too ;) Jul 21 18:47:52 freenose : http://www.htc.com/www/product/g1/specification.html lists only 1700 and 2100 as UMTS bands for the G1. Jul 21 18:49:48 ard: mmm Jul 21 18:49:59 :-( Jul 21 18:50:09 ard: the hardware is capable for all bands right? Jul 21 18:50:55 as it seems only for edge Jul 21 18:51:25 can I flash an update.zip via the cli with fastboot or equivalent? Jul 21 18:52:21 ard: yeah, I'm f@#$ heh Jul 21 18:54:03 freenose : your nokia epxlicitly specs 850/1900 for UMTS so yes, :-( Jul 21 18:55:09 freenose : But I do not know everything, feel free to research further. F.i. on xda-developers... 2100 and 1900 are not that far from eachother Jul 21 18:55:19 "not that far" Jul 21 18:55:52 ard: I'll keep looking, thanks. Jul 21 18:57:08 freenose : good luck! Jul 21 18:57:12 * ard off to home Jul 21 18:58:33 any bugs known me peep'holes on that nandroid restore i found mates?.. i need to wipe the ole g1 here since cupcake.. lotsa little ghosts n the machine.. Jul 21 18:58:47 yes Jul 21 18:58:50 there are crabs Jul 21 18:59:12 blau-mikeDG: ben thar done that.. ;]].. Jul 21 19:03:28 is it fine to ask application specific questions? Jul 21 19:03:38 fine as wine Jul 21 19:04:36 cool, are any of you guys using sipdroid against an asterisk server.. i can register/dial out fine (all be it there's no ring tone which is annoying as hell, you dont realise people answer)... but the handset is unable to receive calls Jul 21 19:04:53 nothing on the issues section for incoming calls Jul 21 19:05:13 its not the asterisk setup, i can use the same account on a symbian phone and its fine Jul 21 19:07:16 over what network? Jul 21 19:07:29 if there's no public ip and your sip proxy is bad it will likely not work Jul 21 19:07:37 not sure if asterisk has a proxy Jul 21 19:07:54 yay, I've been google-voiced Jul 21 19:08:25 tmzt: over wifi Jul 21 19:08:28 tmzt: its not the network Jul 21 19:08:31 its the software Jul 21 19:08:34 sipdroid specific Jul 21 19:11:17 hey, remember how much i whined about a ny times app not being around? Jul 21 19:11:35 theres one on market from mgeek and its siiick, still not official but awesome Jul 21 19:14:48 just got my google voice invite gonna check it out now Jul 21 19:17:04 nice nexvision Jul 21 19:20:39 is the g1 already at max res? Jul 21 19:20:54 yes Jul 21 19:21:02 ok Jul 21 19:21:07 hold ur phone Jul 21 19:21:09 hvga Jul 21 19:21:13 look at the top bar Jul 21 19:21:16 like Jul 21 19:21:20 the top part of the screen Jul 21 19:21:29 tell me that it isn't tilting down to the right a bit Jul 21 19:21:49 like the whole screen is rotated right a bit Jul 21 19:22:03 mine's perfectly square Jul 21 19:22:07 lol Jul 21 19:22:10 maybe my eyes are messed up Jul 21 19:22:21 my last g1 looked like the screen is turned a bit too Jul 21 19:22:46 and then you smashed it in a rage of fury over the screen, and had to buy a new one? Jul 21 19:22:57 haha Jul 21 19:23:08 no, my d button was typing a space Jul 21 19:23:13 so i got a new one Jul 21 19:23:26 its not tilting for me lol Jul 21 19:23:27 on a matri keyboard? Jul 21 19:23:35 on the physical one Jul 21 19:23:47 any other key issues? Jul 21 19:23:53 w, 2, etc? Jul 21 19:23:55 no Jul 21 19:23:56 just d Jul 21 19:24:21 your phyiscal keyboard is a martix keyboard Jul 21 19:24:25 haha Jul 21 19:24:26 sorry Jul 21 19:24:26 that's why I asked that Jul 21 19:24:29 and on this new one, the paint is chipping for no reason Jul 21 19:24:36 but i changed the keyboard on this one Jul 21 19:24:48 changed? how? Jul 21 19:24:59 and voided the warranty so i didn't fight it when they told me it was like outter danage or whatever Jul 21 19:25:06 uhmm Jul 21 19:25:14 i took my battery door off Jul 21 19:25:19 and unscrewd all the screws Jul 21 19:25:25 then all the screws that hold the boards down Jul 21 19:25:32 and took out the silver keyboard (white g1) Jul 21 19:25:39 replaced it with a white keyboard Jul 21 19:25:48 lol Jul 21 19:26:10 black keyboard = the best Jul 21 19:26:14 and i have a black battery door Jul 21 19:26:16 on a white g1 Jul 21 19:26:18 with a white keyboard Jul 21 19:26:20 pimpin Jul 21 19:26:26 what are the keys? small switches on pcb? Jul 21 19:26:26 gottt itt Jul 21 19:26:44 they uhh, have little balls in the middle of them Jul 21 19:26:47 and press down on something Jul 21 19:26:55 []D [] []\/[] []D [] []\[]" Jul 21 19:26:56 silver? Jul 21 19:27:05 does the board click? Jul 21 19:27:17 uhh Jul 21 19:27:21 huh Jul 21 19:27:25 kinda Jul 21 19:27:34 the keypad is just a rubber pad Jul 21 19:27:38 with plastic keys on it Jul 21 19:27:43 and u just take out the whole keyboard Jul 21 19:27:47 and replace it with the new one Jul 21 19:27:52 i got mine from japan Jul 21 19:28:02 right, but what does the electrical part look like? Jul 21 19:28:04 white with black letters Jul 21 19:28:14 oh i don't really remember Jul 21 19:28:26 it's like plastic with little holes i think Jul 21 19:28:29 with silver holes in that Jul 21 19:28:35 if i remember correctly Jul 21 19:28:45 hehhh Jul 21 19:29:32 it's funny cause when i bought the keypad, i bought a usb to 4mm jack or whatever the mm is...and i didn't know the g1 came with it's own headset Jul 21 19:29:34 with the adapter Jul 21 19:29:46 lol Jul 21 19:30:01 better to have a extusb to 3.5mm adapter anyways Jul 21 19:30:14 true Jul 21 19:30:45 id get one if i used this a lot for music Jul 21 19:31:50 yeah funny too cause i got laid off from my job where i listened to music everyday Jul 21 19:32:01 lol Jul 21 19:32:43 i need to get a new headunit in my car so i can hook up my g1 to my car stereo Jul 21 19:33:16 new jachero has a compcache Jul 21 19:33:19 wtf is that Jul 21 19:33:28 it's fast as balls Jul 21 19:33:46 compache? Jul 21 19:33:50 yeah Jul 21 19:33:54 jachero? Jul 21 19:33:57 no Jul 21 19:33:59 CompCache Jul 21 19:34:00 is that a dream image? Jul 21 19:34:00 balls? Jul 21 19:34:05 no Jul 21 19:34:10 oh Jul 21 19:34:14 it's something to make it run faster Jul 21 19:34:15 whats jachero then Jul 21 19:34:19 OH Jul 21 19:34:20 yeah dream Jul 21 19:34:27 oh ok Jul 21 19:34:32 jachero 2.7.4 Jul 21 19:34:34 says Jul 21 19:34:36 its that terrific, huh? Jul 21 19:34:38 compcache included Jul 21 19:34:42 wouldn't cache be faster in ram if you have the space? Jul 21 19:34:52 thats what i think it's using Jul 21 19:34:55 or let kernel handle swap, it's good at it Jul 21 19:34:57 or maybe not Jul 21 19:34:58 is the rogers wireless version a differente hardware version than the G1? Jul 21 19:35:07 yeah they're upgrading kernel's soon Jul 21 19:35:43 how is that an answer? Jul 21 19:35:47 http://www.ohloh.net/p/compcache Jul 21 19:35:49 tmzt: compcache just exposes a virtual block device to the kernel as swap space Jul 21 19:36:00 i figured that Jul 21 19:36:01 tmzt: that space is implemented by compressing pages Jul 21 19:36:02 we don't have Hero source yet, or it's on aurora? Jul 21 19:36:14 no they have the hero source Jul 21 19:36:20 They don't have hero source Jul 21 19:36:21 where? Jul 21 19:36:23 they have a hero binary Jul 21 19:36:28 oh Jul 21 19:36:32 whats the diff Jul 21 19:36:32 kernel source Jul 21 19:36:33 lol Jul 21 19:36:37 oh Jul 21 19:36:46 guess not Jul 21 19:36:48 it's been officially released right? Jul 21 19:36:55 the rom has? Jul 21 19:36:59 haykuro ported it Jul 21 19:37:02 no, the device Jul 21 19:37:15 oh Jul 21 19:37:18 i don't think so yet Jul 21 19:37:23 ok Jul 21 19:37:26 maybe in europe Jul 21 19:37:32 same as g1, source 2 days before release Jul 21 19:37:37 oh Jul 21 19:37:54 I realize google/android is not handling it Jul 21 19:38:18 hey, it would be nice to have 2.6.29 with wifi Jul 21 19:38:36 particularly non-android (wext/cfg80211) wifi Jul 21 19:38:58 uhmm Jul 21 19:39:00 it does? Jul 21 19:39:07 like in a git somewhere :) Jul 21 19:39:10 what does? Jul 21 19:39:14 * 2.6.29 Modifed Kernel Jul 21 19:39:21 working wifi Jul 21 19:40:16 yeah, but sta driver I assume Jul 21 19:40:21 looking for wl12xx Jul 21 19:40:57 why Jul 21 19:41:07 u have a magic? Jul 21 19:41:10 where is that kernel from though? Jul 21 19:41:13 no Jul 21 19:41:27 for somebody who wants to run openmoko on their g1 Jul 21 19:41:47 wtf is openmoko Jul 21 19:42:00 openmoko.org Jul 21 19:42:33 i see Jul 21 19:42:35 whats so good about it Jul 21 19:42:58 no closed phone drivers ? Jul 21 19:43:09 whats so good about it Jul 21 19:43:15 if you have to ask, it's not for you :) Jul 21 19:43:28 rTk_cool: nothing, its stopped. was the same as android in open platform and even open hardware case. but without googles money and code quality Jul 21 19:43:30 don't say it's better then hero Jul 21 19:43:38 what's so good about android? Jul 21 19:43:45 widgets Jul 21 19:43:48 Sense? Jul 21 19:43:59 yes Jul 21 19:44:20 weather on the desktop Jul 21 19:44:24 twitter on the desktop Jul 21 19:44:29 search on the desktop Jul 21 19:44:34 lianj: what do you mean by code quality? Jul 21 19:44:35 hia all! is there some kind of a widget out there that would "float" its children.. kinda like LinearLayout, but when the row/col is full a new line is started? Jul 21 19:44:47 roosmaa, #android-dev Jul 21 19:44:58 KNY: cheers :) Jul 21 19:44:59 tmzt: docs, testing in addition to just getting it to work Jul 21 19:45:06 rTk_cool: for me I think it's webos then Sense then remote view widgets Jul 21 19:45:25 lianj: docs on what? I'm not sure android is any better there Jul 21 19:46:07 i'd like sense more then web os Jul 21 19:46:18 why? Jul 21 19:46:28 as for now they managed to not make devs angry about the platform and spread forks all over that never continue Jul 21 19:46:30 oh wait Jul 21 19:46:32 actually thats kinda cool Jul 21 19:47:00 hey i downloaded the iso and it seems to get stuck booting it up with virtualbox Jul 21 19:47:11 webos uses mad ram though Jul 21 19:47:14 something the g1 doesn't have Jul 21 19:47:17 tmzt: you want to buy/exchange my neo1973? :) Jul 21 19:47:18 lianj: well, I was refering to the userspace software anyway, more properly fso/shr Jul 21 19:47:44 hey hm i changed a few things in the ramdisk how hell am i suppose to repack it in the gz format again? Jul 21 19:48:01 but the person asked about "openmoko on g1" so I phrased it that way Jul 21 19:48:19 lianj: don't really have any use for gsm/gprs device Jul 21 19:48:24 that's a gta01? Jul 21 19:48:30 rTk_cool: u know how? Jul 21 19:48:36 yes Jul 21 19:48:40 looks it dont it Jul 21 19:52:27 tmzt: openembedded as build system was cool. :) keept using it on builds for beagle/alix boards Jul 21 19:56:54 wasnt 1.5 supposed to introduce multi-touch? Jul 21 19:57:14 JesusFreke: u awak lol? Jul 21 19:57:40 2.0 wil Jul 21 19:57:41 l Jul 21 19:57:42 ] Jul 21 19:57:42 ' Jul 21 19:57:43 '; Jul 21 19:57:43 ;' Jul 21 19:57:48 ah, alright Jul 21 19:58:01 when is 2.0 supposed to be out? Jul 21 19:59:18 the upstream driver has multitouch Jul 21 19:59:42 lianj: oe predates om anyway Jul 21 19:59:52 are you using it tmzb? Jul 21 19:59:58 no idea Jul 21 20:00:21 lianj: I think the calypso and global locate chips were the only ones without datasheet Jul 21 20:00:24 and lcm Jul 21 20:00:44 kiqyouvf: using what? Jul 21 20:00:55 the upstream driver Jul 21 20:00:57 do you mean donut by 2.0? Jul 21 20:01:00 no Jul 21 20:01:09 tmzt: u happen to know how to repack boot.img? Jul 21 20:01:14 I only saw it on the linux kernel mailing lists Jul 21 20:01:16 list Jul 21 20:01:25 I search for Unpack and Repack Jul 21 20:01:38 yeah the unpack script works fine Jul 21 20:01:45 but i cant seem to repack it Jul 21 20:02:46 what commands would i use to backup my ext3 partition from my sd card to my phone or to my fat partition? Jul 21 20:03:25 after running "gzip -dc ../boot.img-ramdisk.gz | cpio -i" and editing some stuff in the ramdisk how am i suppose to get it back to .img-ramdisk.gz? Jul 21 20:04:18 Hello i tried to run hello world example from http://developer.android.com/guide/tutorials/hello-world.html But all I get when I run it is a listing of the code in IE Jul 21 20:04:18 Jabo: dd, it needs to be unmounted Jul 21 20:04:27 the repack script does say in the paramter to locate the ramdisk directory not the .gz but that is still not working still Jul 21 20:04:28 Can anyone help Jul 21 20:04:37 hi all Jul 21 20:05:31 Shaba1: what? Jul 21 20:05:34 run it? Jul 21 20:05:40 what do you mean Jul 21 20:05:45 tmzt: sure, that was all great with having open hardware. but as a software guy you still need someone to validate those datasheets - for the paranoid. and in my feelings to much time was spent it getting the open hardware right, so the software stack never really matured Jul 21 20:05:48 i could do with some help Jul 21 20:06:13 the stack was not ready within the useful life of gta01 Jul 21 20:06:24 i can get a signal but cant get internet Jul 21 20:06:30 and gta02 was planned as a wider release when it should have been more developer targeted Jul 21 20:06:38 and the software still wasn't ready Jul 21 20:06:50 tmzt: spend my own money on the gta01 :.( Jul 21 20:06:55 (this taken from the discussion on gta03, not personal knowledge) Jul 21 20:08:03 now mine is only used as a 640x480 bluetooth picture/audio frame. rip gta01 Jul 21 20:08:43 do you think i need to reflash my radio Jul 21 20:10:36 tmz Jul 21 20:10:39 Hello i tried to run hello world example from http://developer.android.com/guide/tutorials/hello-world.html But all I get when I run it is a listing of the code in IE Jul 21 20:10:46 whats the push command Jul 21 20:10:53 adb push file place ? Jul 21 20:11:16 Shaba1: yes, but how did you try to run it? it seems you didn't get further than downloading it Jul 21 20:11:18 rTk_cool: yes, adb help Jul 21 20:11:31 downloading it Jul 21 20:11:33 no Jul 21 20:11:38 i followed the instructions Jul 21 20:11:41 hi guys, I want to use google voice with android Jul 21 20:11:49 do you guys suggest using the gv app or the google voice app ? Jul 21 20:12:04 Shaba1: that what do you mean by source in IE? Jul 21 20:12:06 I did what it said about creating an AVT Jul 21 20:12:10 true Jul 21 20:12:13 what does IE have to do with running it? Jul 21 20:12:24 gmote is freakin amazing! Jul 21 20:12:32 then I made a project in eclipse following those instructions Jul 21 20:13:06 though that examples says to make the project in ADK 1.1 Jul 21 20:13:25 I but the screen shot has 1.5 shown but its not checked Jul 21 20:13:32 so I did exactly what it said Jul 21 20:13:47 I copied and pasted in the four lines from the second program listing Jul 21 20:13:57 then tried to run it in eclipse Jul 21 20:14:06 All I got was I.E. Jul 21 20:15:04 An I.E. Window opening up with a listing of the program code in it. Jul 21 20:15:24 I have no idea tmzt what IE has to do with it Jul 21 20:15:37 but that is exactly what happened Jul 21 20:16:19 does anyone know if it's possible to switch from a JF 1.51 cupcake to a Cyannogen image without switching SPL? Jul 21 20:16:29 just applying update.zip? Jul 21 20:17:22 tmzt??? Jul 21 20:18:21 just got an android telephone (htc magic) anyone got any extra ordinary application to recomand? Jul 21 20:18:41 mrXorY, Barcode is awesome as well as Shazaam Jul 21 20:18:49 what is barcode? Jul 21 20:18:51 i cant get internet on my g1 but i can get signal and make calls Jul 21 20:19:05 do i need to reflash my radio Jul 21 20:19:20 ive tryed changing the apn Jul 21 20:20:04 mrXorY, barcode is a barcode reader. It may sound useless but actually you'l find in the Tube that a lot of ads have a specific barcode. Not to mention that a lot of app rating websites use a barcode as a direct link to the application in the market etc. Jul 21 20:20:21 Also if you scan a book you can search for it directly on google or Amazon Jul 21 20:20:39 ok let me ask this question again since I seem to have lost tmzt's attention. Jul 21 20:20:41 2-d barcodes are cool, especially for sharing contacts Jul 21 20:20:44 Hello i tried to run hello world example from http://developer.android.com/guide/tutorials/hello-world.html But all I get when I run it is a listing of the code in IE Jul 21 20:20:45 n0x ah ok cool. gonna check it out. thanks for the tip. Jul 21 20:20:47 mrXorY: what do you do for a living? Jul 21 20:21:15 kRutOn I'm a studying to become a software developer. Jul 21 20:21:18 mrXorY, and Shazam is a music tagger. Imagine you're in the middle of the street and listen to a music which you don't recall the name, just start up Sahazam and it will find all the music info immediatly Jul 21 20:21:25 mrXorY: Do you use SSH? Jul 21 20:21:42 Shaba1: yes you told us this Jul 21 20:21:48 Did you actually create an android project? Jul 21 20:21:51 n0x will it mostly reconigze mainstream music or can it identify more indie/underground music aswell? Jul 21 20:21:57 yes I did Jul 21 20:21:58 if you use google voice the google voice app is handy ;-) Jul 21 20:22:01 and the code Jul 21 20:22:02 pastebin the code, please. Jul 21 20:22:08 and ok Jul 21 20:22:11 hold on Jul 21 20:22:15 kRutOn yeah I do. Is there any good ssh app? Jul 21 20:22:21 connectbot Jul 21 20:22:22 mrXorY: yes, ConnectBot Jul 21 20:22:22 mrXorY, everything, or almost. The other day I was listenning to an underground House radio and it found the music :) Jul 21 20:22:30 also, please check your run options. make sure your project was actually selected. Jul 21 20:22:41 n0x cool. gonna check it out aswell :) Jul 21 20:22:50 spikebike, kRutOn : thanks guys Jul 21 20:23:17 mrXorY, you might also want Task Manager 1.6 which allwos you to see which tasks are running and you can kill them just for the sake of it (and to save battery) Jul 21 20:23:46 n0x yeah I found another app for that aswell. Taskiller. Jul 21 20:23:50 mrXorY, speaking of which, check you battery Widget which is pretty good :) Jul 21 20:24:08 n0x doesn't a widget like that only takes more battery? Jul 21 20:24:17 http://pastebin.com/d52c0a022 Jul 21 20:24:35 mrXorY, yeah, I tried it but prefered the other one because it sits in the notification area and shows all sorts of information in there if you scroll it down :) Jul 21 20:24:40 yes it was selected Jul 21 20:24:43 Shaba1: this looks fine. Jul 21 20:24:49 kinda good battery time I must say. Can be that I use taskiller alot though. Jul 21 20:24:53 So, this is part of the android project? Jul 21 20:24:58 mrXorY, actually it was developped to not "read" the battery but wait for system notifications ;) Jul 21 20:25:01 this isn't just an empty file you created? Jul 21 20:25:28 its the tutorial from http://developer.android.com/guide/tutorials/hello-world.html Jul 21 20:25:34 if you go through package explorer to your project -> src -> com.android.helloandroid -> HelloAndroid.java, this shows up? Jul 21 20:25:43 yes it does Jul 21 20:25:46 yes but the part about opening this in your explorer is kind of throwing me. Jul 21 20:26:00 that is what happens when I try to run it. Jul 21 20:26:02 n0x : ah okey smart Jul 21 20:26:09 go to run -> open run dialog please Jul 21 20:26:28 do you have a run configuration listed underneath Android Application? Jul 21 20:26:34 if so, please click on it Jul 21 20:26:37 Threw me for a loop too Jul 21 20:26:54 make sure that it has the right project listed, make sure it either has "launch default activity" or "launch" selected Jul 21 20:27:17 click target, make sure things look ok in there. you should have a device listed for deployment. Jul 21 20:27:35 then, click run Jul 21 20:28:37 Shaba1, if you need help when developing it's best to go to #android-dev ;) Jul 21 20:28:42 Ok vol_ Jul 21 20:28:44 trying Jul 21 20:28:58 my system is sloww today Jul 21 20:29:13 does anyone have an idea how much much extra resources (if any) dxTop, aHome or Open Home use up? Jul 21 20:29:31 Shaba1, on my compute (1.8GHz simple core) I have a hard time running Eclipse + Android SDK + Android Emulator ;) Jul 21 20:30:44 Ok vol Jul 21 20:30:46 first Jul 21 20:31:08 there is no "Open run dialog" menu choice under the run menu Jul 21 20:31:14 hi i can get a signal but i dont get the egde or gprs logo and no internet Jul 21 20:32:13 facelessloser: you don't have data connectivity. call your cell carrier and ask for support. Jul 21 20:32:22 ok thanks Jul 21 20:32:29 Shaba1: what version of eclipse are you running? You absolutely should have "open run dialog" as a choice. Jul 21 20:32:29 it just stoped working today Jul 21 20:32:31 well sucks Jul 21 20:32:44 but I did find run configurations Jul 21 20:33:15 and its blank under the android sdk chick Jul 21 20:33:23 nox heh, yeah I'd buy a quad core with 4GB ram to run that kind of stuff well Jul 21 20:33:48 yeah, you need to create an android configuration Jul 21 20:34:01 you can double click "android application" and it should create a new one Jul 21 20:34:04 fill in the properties and hit run. Jul 21 20:34:12 I've had issues with running android apps just by hitting the run button Jul 21 20:34:18 usually I have to pull the menu down and select it Jul 21 20:34:22 oK what do the properties need to be Jul 21 20:34:42 project, launch action, target, etc. Jul 21 20:34:42 Is there also an Android help channel or just this developer channel? Jul 21 20:34:44 play around. Jul 21 20:34:59 tbo: #android-dev is the dev channel, this is a general interest channel really. Jul 21 20:35:11 vol_: I see Jul 21 20:35:40 cause I wondering why the alarm application tells me that it will alarm me 1.5 hours later than set Jul 21 20:35:46 ok vol Jul 21 20:35:48 that helped Jul 21 20:35:51 at least I got the emulator up Jul 21 20:36:11 It still does not say hello world Jul 21 20:36:15 wait. Jul 21 20:36:16 but that is better then I had Jul 21 20:36:19 the first time the emulator runs it will take a while Jul 21 20:36:26 eventually your app should show up. Jul 21 20:36:36 you can just keep the emulator running and hit the run button again to reload it Jul 21 20:36:40 or select it from the menu Jul 21 20:36:59 wait a minute, it shows me how long it is until the alarm goes off, that makes much more sense Jul 21 20:38:10 tbo, the worst is when you read "3 hours and 2 minutes" like I did last night :( Jul 21 20:38:28 n0x: heh Jul 21 20:38:55 what it do ladies Jul 21 20:39:01 and AakashPatel Jul 21 20:39:03 n0x: my phone isn't even full active now, my provider needs quite long to turn on the data flatrate :-( Jul 21 20:39:18 oh darn ... :( Jul 21 20:39:38 tbo, what country is your provider located in? Jul 21 20:40:30 OK vol Jul 21 20:40:37 the emulator Jul 21 20:40:49 showed Jul 21 20:40:51 the background Jul 21 20:40:53 and some icons Jul 21 20:40:57 but not the ap I wrote Jul 21 20:41:02 n0x: Germany Jul 21 20:41:22 tbo, O2? With the new Samsung Galaxy? Jul 21 20:41:26 n0x: yeah Jul 21 20:41:44 tbo, I've got one too (France, Bouyges Telecom) and I totally love it =) Jul 21 20:42:01 I've had it for 4 days now Jul 21 20:42:19 n0x: I already love it, even though there (not yet) a direct sync to my Apple everything has to go through Google Jul 21 20:43:49 anyone in the uk having truble with there internet on o2 Jul 21 20:44:02 vol? Jul 21 20:44:10 tbo, you can setup another email account on your phone as well (with the Email application which is included by default, in my case at least). All my email addresses go directly through to GMail and they each have there own labels and all (I have 4 emails addresses =) ) Jul 21 20:44:23 this is what I get in the console subwindow eclipse Jul 21 20:44:29 n0x: I have two Jul 21 20:44:31 2009-07-21 13:42:52 - HelloAndroid] ActivityManager: Error: Activity class {com.example.helloandroid/com.example.helloandroid.HelloAndroid} does not exist Jul 21 20:45:00 Shaba1, did you import the library? Does your class extend the Activity class? Jul 21 20:45:03 n0x: ore three if you count business addresses Jul 21 20:45:25 tbo, do you use google for all of them? Jul 21 20:45:41 someone knows how to read an xml feed that contains accents (Spanish)? Jul 21 20:45:43 n0x: no Jul 21 20:46:02 I do not know which library Jul 21 20:46:22 but I did you the three import statements shown in the example Jul 21 20:46:23 n0x: I will have to decide how I wanna use my e-mail in the future Jul 21 20:46:26 Shaba1: the little botton on the bottom of the screen of the emulator pulls the menu up. Jul 21 20:46:31 *button Jul 21 20:46:32 Shaba1, do Ctrl+Shift+O to organize imports. Jul 21 20:46:37 only the default icons will be on the screen. Jul 21 20:46:38 and yes it does extend activity Jul 21 20:46:53 Shaba1, does your code compile correctly? Jul 21 20:47:30 what is the best "free" aim client at the moment? Jul 21 20:47:34 nice the display is as good as the display of my macbook pro Jul 21 20:48:12 how would tell that nox Jul 21 20:48:24 I do not get any errors Jul 21 20:48:57 Shaba1, ok. The error you posted earlier was shown when you started the emulator, is that correct? Jul 21 20:49:17 yes Jul 21 20:49:32 I made a configuration like vol_ said Jul 21 20:49:41 then I got the emulator up Jul 21 20:49:48 Shaba1: try running your app again. Run -> Run History -> Select what you selected. Jul 21 20:50:05 Shaba1, I didn't read what you guys talking about earlier. I'll let vol_ explain the process since he started first ;) Jul 21 20:50:06 Or did you mean the error where it was showind up in I.E. Jul 21 20:51:35 what rom is everyone running today? thinkin bout jumpin up to Cyan's 3.6.8.1 Jul 21 20:52:19 Ahsya, it should be the same as any other, make sure you're using utf-8 or maybe even utf-16 Jul 21 20:52:46 no, I'm done explaining, I'm going home. Jul 21 20:52:48 vol_ n0x and tmzt thanks a lot Jul 21 20:52:58 I know its hard helping a newbie out Jul 21 20:53:26 lol Jul 21 20:53:31 Well I got farthere then I did before Jul 21 20:53:33 :) Jul 21 20:53:43 At least I got the emulator up and running Jul 21 20:54:03 vol_, okay, I'll relay you Jul 21 20:54:15 Shaba1, does the Hello Android program work? Jul 21 20:55:23 Nope Jul 21 20:55:40 so far all I have been able to do is get the emulator up Jul 21 20:56:49 Ok n0x I will not waste any more of your time Jul 21 20:56:54 It finally did run Jul 21 20:56:59 I do not know what the heck I did Jul 21 20:57:01 Okay great! =) Jul 21 20:57:06 but it did run in the emulatore Jul 21 20:57:16 I just wish I knew what I was doing Jul 21 20:57:29 But hey you have to crawl before you can walk Jul 21 20:57:31 It usually take a bit of time. Check the Eclipse Console (on the bottom usually or otherwise in Windows/Show View/Console) Jul 21 20:57:48 It prints all sorts of information concerning the emulator :) Jul 21 20:58:11 Shaba1, I agree: i started programming for android three days ago and had a hard time at first also ;) Jul 21 20:58:28 Ok well I definately will be back Jul 21 20:58:35 I am going to put you and vol_ on notifiy Jul 21 20:58:48 just in case I have any more stupid newbie questions Jul 21 20:58:58 <_Auron_> parts 3 and 4 will be finished on my to-do list then I'll do part 1, which is audio Jul 21 20:59:20 Shaba1, okay. If you have developement related issues I suggest you visit #android-dev . It's not as active as here but specific question have specific answers ;) Jul 21 20:59:52 Well I would not even delude myself into thinking I am a developer Jul 21 21:00:04 Just a new person in android programing Jul 21 21:00:18 and a talented amatuer at programming overall Jul 21 21:00:59 <_Auron_> when I started with android game development I was new to android, java, and sortof new to openGL Jul 21 21:02:02 well ahve bee dabbleing n java since 1996 Jul 21 21:02:09 and I do mean dabbling Jul 21 21:02:26 i get on a java kick now and then and start doing tutorials Jul 21 21:02:40 Shaba1, that's exactly what a developer is on a open source project. When you program an application for Android you're developping on it, therefore are a dev ;) Jul 21 21:04:17 Well so far I have just folles some tutorial Jul 21 21:04:27 I would not call that "developing" Jul 21 21:04:50 as you wish ;) Jul 21 21:05:26 I call a developer someone like you people Jul 21 21:05:55 fwiw, i agree w/you Shaba1 Jul 21 21:06:04 that can take and idea from scrath Jul 21 21:06:11 and write it and have it work Jul 21 21:06:17 Something no on ever thought of Jul 21 21:06:19 me Jul 21 21:06:31 I just try to learn buty going thru tutorials Jul 21 21:06:46 hehe =) Jul 21 21:06:54 what do you do once you've finished the tutorials? Jul 21 21:07:03 hoping that eventually inspiration will hit me and I and I can come up with something original Jul 21 21:07:13 start the next one n)x Jul 21 21:07:18 n0x Jul 21 21:07:32 yeah, that's the hardest part: having a good idea that no one though of before Jul 21 21:07:57 notify vol_ Jul 21 21:07:59 Ok thanks guys Jul 21 21:08:04 you were really helpful Jul 21 21:08:19 No problem ;) Jul 21 21:08:23 As I said. I did not know what I did but eventually hello world did work Jul 21 21:08:24 :) Jul 21 21:09:27 hi i need help with my android phone Jul 21 21:09:47 anyone? Jul 21 21:09:51 =/ Jul 21 21:09:58 nonversation, go for it, ask you question, we are waiting =) Jul 21 21:09:59 state your problem Jul 21 21:10:13 nonversation, in the future don't ask to ask, just ask Jul 21 21:10:25 oh, well Im new to using my G1, but I recorded video and it ended up in the horrible 3pg format Jul 21 21:10:32 instead of any standard mp4 or avi Jul 21 21:10:44 was that a setting? or is that default? Jul 21 21:11:28 was my understanding that the 3pg video extension was removed from ffmpeg , so it can't be an open source format? Jul 21 21:12:25 nope just checked, it gives me a "low and high" option Jul 21 21:12:29 no format option Jul 21 21:12:39 ? Jul 21 21:12:54 practically every phone records to 3gp for sending over 3g Jul 21 21:13:29 really?? never heard of it Jul 21 21:13:36 my nokia phones do mp4 Jul 21 21:13:52 i tried to convert them with ffmpeg in linux Jul 21 21:14:13 but I get errors, i searched and it looks as if this format has been removed from ffmpeg Jul 21 21:14:48 what are you guys using in linux to convert them Jul 21 21:14:49 well that's a tough one that I can't answer sorry. Anybody else? Jul 21 21:15:00 you might have to build your own ffmpeg, it might be a 'nonfree' codec so your build might not have it Jul 21 21:15:03 I didn't take a video yet.... Jul 21 21:15:20 i think the older ffmpeg supported it, i will have to find it somewhere maybe Jul 21 21:15:28 nonversation, i was using avidemuxer Jul 21 21:15:34 which uses ffmpeg Jul 21 21:15:35 ok thanks, will try it Jul 21 21:16:23 maybe I can find an app that records in the format I choose by default? Jul 21 21:17:22 i don't know of any, but if you find one let us know, that'd be cool Jul 21 21:17:41 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GP Jul 21 21:17:42 avidemuxer is telling me I dont have an audio converter for that format humm Jul 21 21:18:08 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differences_between_mp4_%26_3gpp_file_format Jul 21 21:18:40 hmm odd... i dunno, i just converted a file last night, running the latest provided by the ubuntu trees Jul 21 21:19:55 I really can't believe they would go with this format as default =/ Jul 21 21:20:21 <_Auron|G1_> 3gp sucks Jul 21 21:20:57 it's meant for mobile use Jul 21 21:21:05 does what it needs to.. high compression Jul 21 21:21:41 its horrible , because its not compatible with anything and leaves everyone having to change it over Jul 21 21:21:57 works with everything for me Jul 21 21:21:59 on windows and linux Jul 21 21:22:05 and youtube supports it just fine Jul 21 21:22:59 what would be the appropriate command to tar everything in /system/sd and put into /sdcard/backup.tar ? Jul 21 21:23:21 tar -cf /sdcard/backup.tar /sdcard/sd Jul 21 21:23:21 Jabo, compressed or no? Jul 21 21:23:34 tar -czf /sdcard/backup.tar.gz /sdcard/sd (for compression) Jul 21 21:23:42 add v to the mix to verify Jul 21 21:23:43 :) Jul 21 21:23:45 i have handbrake but it doesn't detect that i have a file selected Jul 21 21:23:50 cool thanks Jul 21 21:24:58 that gives "removing leading '/' from member names" Jul 21 21:25:38 that's fine Jul 21 21:25:58 i believe that just means instead of it being /sdcard/sd it'll extract as ./sdcard/sd Jul 21 21:26:15 so just extract it from root (aka, /) and you're good Jul 21 21:26:36 oh Jul 21 21:26:51 i had seen that message a few times when trying the commands myself and thought that it meant it didn't work Jul 21 21:29:40 do a tar -t yourtar.tar.gz i believe the flag is Jul 21 21:29:47 t == list Jul 21 21:31:00 hi, completely new to android development, so I'm taking on an existing project: in an IRC client I'm implementing a join dialog - I got the "join" menu item working and am in the click handler, but is there a view for popups? I don't want to block the existing view just to ask the user to input a channel name to join Jul 21 21:31:52 Dialog Jul 21 21:32:17 ok, I'll look into that Jul 21 21:32:48 it's also my first time developing java, and my first time using eclipse, so wish me luck... Jul 21 21:33:20 I haven't the inspiration for an app of my own, so I'm going to do some things with yaaic Jul 21 21:33:44 port irssi :D Jul 21 21:35:00 how can you get parted to resize an ext3 partition? Jul 21 21:35:11 let me rephrase that... I don't have the *courage* to do an app of my own :) Jul 21 21:39:54 can someone tell me why my repo upload is failing? http://pastebin.ca/1502473 Jul 21 21:40:13 I can't discern from the error message what is happening Jul 21 21:40:21 ! [remote rejected] shared_user_delete_bug -> refs/for/donut (branch donut not found) Jul 21 21:40:32 don't bother uploading patches for donut Jul 21 21:42:06 romainguy_: what's the new branch I need to check out to commit to? I didn't see an eclair branch Jul 21 21:42:18 master Jul 21 21:42:26 oh, ok Jul 21 21:43:00 oh ok, I thought I needed to check out the branches, nvm then Jul 21 21:48:02 hay guise Jul 21 21:48:46 romainguy_: I thought you guys were doing the whole don't commit to master until the development branch is in good working order, so I thought I also had to work on donut or eclair or whatever Jul 21 21:49:04 eclair lol Jul 21 21:49:28 TommyBres: they're naming them all after pastries :) Jul 21 21:49:56 * TommyBres cant wait till cheese danish releases Jul 21 21:50:35 that will take a while....have to run through the rest of the alphabet ;) Jul 21 21:51:02 I can't wait to see what pastry starts with an X :) Jul 21 21:51:09 ... Jul 21 21:51:41 theyve only had cupcake and donut, its not like theyre going a to z Jul 21 21:52:06 cupcake -> donut -> eclair, i thought? Jul 21 21:52:11 which is enough of a trend to be suspicious Jul 21 21:52:12 they are doing eclair from what I was told Jul 21 21:52:50 oh Jul 21 21:52:50 yeah, they started the food thing on C...I'm sure the first two were just Alpha and Beta Jul 21 21:52:58 either way, there was no a or b Jul 21 21:53:07 lol Jul 21 21:53:11 anyone ever had the g1 incredibly slow on typing text messages? Jul 21 21:53:19 it was printing each letter so slow Jul 21 21:53:29 grindking: it can be due to background processes running Jul 21 21:53:32 anybody have the compcache working on jachero? Jul 21 21:53:38 or due to htc sucking Jul 21 21:53:45 but i mean, if i hadn't done ANYTHING for awhile, will it just inevitably leave those apps loaded utnil i try to do something else? Jul 21 21:53:48 or will it clear them over time Jul 21 21:53:56 rTk_cool: no, but i use it on cyanogen's rom Jul 21 21:54:11 itp what is it and how does it help Jul 21 21:54:26 hi all, has anyone had any luck installing the android build on an HTC Magic? Jul 21 21:54:39 when I try I lose wifi and phone Jul 21 21:55:30 TommyBres: compcache is a block device that exposes a new swap device to the kernel Jul 21 21:55:47 TommyBres: it actually compresses pages and stores them back in memory (at a smaller size) Jul 21 21:55:59 nice Jul 21 21:56:06 http://code.google.com/p/compcache/ Jul 21 21:56:22 is it easy to do? Jul 21 21:57:15 if you're using a rom that inludes the kernel modules (cyanogen, and now it sounds like jachero has added it as well), then you just need a few lines in your userinit.sh file Jul 21 21:57:28 hm Jul 21 21:57:31 nice Jul 21 21:58:10 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537236 has some discussion of how to turn it on for cyanogen roms Jul 21 21:58:28 thanks Jul 21 21:59:07 TommyBres, yeah super easy if you ahve the script on that thread Jul 21 21:59:32 i notice a pretty significant difference when running compcache Jul 21 21:59:40 didn't with swap Jul 21 21:59:51 but i also had swappiness turned low to 10, so i hardly if ever hit it Jul 21 22:00:09 hm Jul 21 22:00:32 yeah, i have swappiness very low w/ compcache as well Jul 21 22:00:53 otherwise the kernel gets silly with io buffers Jul 21 22:04:02 isn't the battery life even more horrible with thos roms that max the cpu? Jul 21 22:04:09 the oc widget atleast allows you to change it on the fly Jul 21 22:04:24 cyanogen doesn't max the cpu, it raises the max Jul 21 22:04:28 ahh Jul 21 22:04:30 nice Jul 21 22:04:33 the processor still scales down when not under load Jul 21 22:04:43 i had to follow a damn tut to put the jf1.5 on here Jul 21 22:04:51 probably be a pain to put the cynagoen Jul 21 22:04:59 i just want a damn faster phone, i'm sick of this clunky piece of trash Jul 21 22:05:07 i have mine at 60 as per that thread, haven't played with it yet Jul 21 22:05:25 can't believe it's lagged when i type text messages now Jul 21 22:05:26 grindking, same process Jul 21 22:05:27 and nothing has changed Jul 21 22:05:33 i think you followed my tut Jul 21 22:05:40 i followed the androidandme one :D Jul 21 22:05:46 http://blog.killerspaz.com/2009/05/how-to-flash-updatezip-to-your-phone.html Jul 21 22:05:47 oh Jul 21 22:05:53 but ill gladly follow any that work Jul 21 22:06:20 i just dont want to miss some step and have mine on some boot cycle or something, not that i would but piecemealing together forum posts were not my idea of being confident about doing it is why i always waited for a tut Jul 21 22:06:25 not out of laziness really Jul 21 22:06:59 grindking, mine covers all that Jul 21 22:07:06 but really a boot loop isn't anything to be worried about Jul 21 22:07:13 you can recover frmo that easily Jul 21 22:09:00 well i'm out.. work is done for the day Jul 21 22:14:52 android does not define a Ctrl key, correct? What happens if there is one? Jul 21 22:15:32 it would have to be defined Jul 21 22:15:41 but currently android does not support a Ctrl key :p Jul 21 22:16:29 your phone will probably explode :/ Jul 21 22:17:43 cool. exploding phones. :) Jul 21 22:17:50 uhh Jul 21 22:17:52 no Jul 21 22:17:54 menue Jul 21 22:17:55 menu* Jul 21 22:18:00 the menu button + c is copy Jul 21 22:18:04 menu +v is paste Jul 21 22:18:12 menu +a is select all Jul 21 22:18:17 theres ur ctrl key Jul 21 22:18:32 rTk_cool: place stop... yes, I know all that. so where's ctrl-a for use in screen? Jul 21 22:18:48 or ctrl-d to exit a shell? etc. Jul 21 22:19:00 messages Jul 21 22:19:22 don't ask questions Jul 21 22:19:24 not to mention all the emacs keys... Jul 21 22:19:37 emacs is not quite our target right now :) Jul 21 22:19:53 anyway, this would require changes in the platform Jul 21 22:19:58 romainguy: obviously not. Jul 21 22:19:59 feel free to submit patches Jul 21 22:20:13 (reminder: Android was born for phones :) Jul 21 22:20:21 itp, i have a question Jul 21 22:20:35 reminder: phones are just pcs in your pocket. Jul 21 22:20:38 i try the "mv userinit.sh /system/sd" Jul 21 22:20:50 and it says "failed on 'userinit.sh' - cross-device link Jul 21 22:21:05 why :( Jul 21 22:22:48 anyone? Jul 21 22:25:54 TommyBres: the mv command is probably implemented exclusively as rename() Jul 21 22:26:11 TommyBres: mv is actually a dual-purpose command -- when you are on the same device, it just renames the file. if you go cross-device, it is cp && rm Jul 21 22:26:22 right... Jul 21 22:26:23 some embedded systems do not implement mv with this latter functionality Jul 21 22:26:30 ah, gotcha Jul 21 22:26:32 but nothing prevents you from using cp+rm yourself :) Jul 21 22:26:38 well i'm just gonna adb push to /system/sd and it won't be a problem Jul 21 22:26:39 exactly why they dont implement it this way Jul 21 22:26:55 well, the terminal emulator definitely has "mv", i've used it before Jul 21 22:27:07 but whatevs, adb solves all problems :) Jul 21 22:27:09 the emulator itself? Jul 21 22:28:03 yeah? Jul 21 22:29:35 adb push worked just fine though, rebooting now :) Jul 21 22:30:36 busybox mv should work if you have busybox installed. Jul 21 22:30:56 busybox should come with cyan images, yes? Jul 21 22:31:04 i think it's a JF feature, and cyan is based on JF Jul 21 22:31:13 a recovery image can i just load onto the sd and flash it? or do i have to do anything special Jul 21 22:31:34 grindking, you mean a nandroid backup? Jul 21 22:31:35 i just wanted to go to cyanogen's Jul 21 22:31:40 is it a bunch of .img files or one .zip file Jul 21 22:31:43 yah i wanted to go to his version of the recovery image Jul 21 22:31:50 that has built in nandroid Jul 21 22:31:51 you use fastboot Jul 21 22:32:10 get fastboot from htc.com's android dev phone support page, put it in the tools folder of the sdk Jul 21 22:32:31 then "adb fastboot recovery *directoryhere*/recovery.img" Jul 21 22:33:17 err WTF Jul 21 22:33:20 i'm so retarded today Jul 21 22:33:27 "fastboot flash recovery *directoryhere*/recovery.img" Jul 21 22:34:08 i was just reading on xda it said this Jul 21 22:34:09 To install update.zip format: copy to your sdcard as "update.zip" and flash it as normal and reboot. Jul 21 22:34:16 that's for the recovery image Jul 21 22:34:22 ...err wut Jul 21 22:34:28 the recovery image i got wasnt a .zip file Jul 21 22:34:32 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=523558 Jul 21 22:35:20 oh okay, you got the first one Jul 21 22:35:29 then yeah, throw on sdcard, boot with home+power, hit alt+S Jul 21 22:35:43 i did the second one, the raw image Jul 21 22:35:56 what's the difference, since you can just adb it with the raw? Jul 21 22:36:03 or am i way off :D Jul 21 22:36:20 Hi all - I'm thinking of getting an Android phone soon - possibly a Samsung Galaxy - is there anything special I need to know in advance about being able to load different versions of Android on it? Do I need a developer version of the hardware or anything? Jul 21 22:36:36 im gonan read the q&a page more on xda, feel like a child haha Jul 21 22:37:23 There's no android phone that supports 3G with ATT? Jul 21 22:37:24 grindking: just a "more than 1 way to skin a cat" scenario, neither is better or worse Jul 21 22:37:29 freenose, not yet Jul 21 22:37:35 ok Jul 21 22:37:58 :-( Jul 21 22:38:00 so.. I got the hero rom installed. That's looking pretty good. It looks damn polished. Jul 21 22:38:20 how does it run, like a car on 2 cylinders? Jul 21 22:38:26 TheBOFH: the only difference between "dev phones" and "g1's" is firmware, you can root and unlock a G1 and put dev phone firmware on it Jul 21 22:38:29 aside from it being dog awful slow on my G1.. it looks nice Jul 21 22:38:40 grindking: with 1 cylinder bad Jul 21 22:38:43 haha Jul 21 22:38:50 TheBOFH: that being said, i dont know if they can root galaxies yet, but i'm sure they will in the future... and if that's the case, you'll be fine with any one Jul 21 22:39:03 it isn't so certain :/ Jul 21 22:39:14 Thank you Jul 21 22:39:17 grindking: we had a crown vic running on 2 cylinders in the shop a while back, really smooth considering it was meant for 8 ;) Jul 21 22:39:25 got curious and cut fuel to 6 of them Jul 21 22:39:33 nice Jul 21 22:39:38 All my mates keep saying to get an iPhone, but I know I want Android Jul 21 22:40:09 hi there, i have a question : i messed up with my phone, and i cant watch streamed mp4 videos anymore :( the only things i did video related was install and uninstall 'video player'. anybody has an idea of what the problem is ? Jul 21 22:40:54 Mercidia: you might want to find the guy that coded that app Jul 21 22:40:58 TheBOFH: if you like a fancy pants interface, a good MP3 player and no worries, iphone is a good phone... Jul 21 22:41:19 if you want something that's closer to a PC in your hand, it's not Jul 21 22:42:06 Mercidia: i would reinstall the app, go to settings, applications, app management and clear the defaults for which that app is launched, then uninstall again Jul 21 22:42:09 Been using open source software since 1991 - not too keen on Apple controlling my life :) Jul 21 22:42:17 that way if the system is still depending on the app to launch something, it'll give options Jul 21 22:42:38 FreakGuard : but since then, I installed the meridian video player and it still doesnt work! Jul 21 22:42:40 haha TheBOFH welcome to android, i think you'll fit right in Jul 21 22:43:17 TheBOFH: well, Android is as close to Linux as MacOS to BSD... probably a lit closer. Jul 21 22:43:17 * TommyBres didn't know what "software" was in 1991.... probably didn't know what "apples" were either... Jul 21 22:43:43 TommyBres : I'm not really sure its the app. could it be something else? Jul 21 22:44:01 Mercidia: i'm not sure that it is either, but if you clear the defaults for the app you can count that out as a possibility Jul 21 22:44:12 yeah ill try Jul 21 22:44:28 i've never seen an app leave its defaults behind after an uninstall, but i'm just trying to think of *anything* that could help :P Jul 21 22:44:53 See ya all later. I'll come back when I've got my phone Jul 21 22:45:06 TheBOFH: have fun at rooting it :D Jul 21 22:45:09 sounds good, take it easy Jul 21 22:45:10 :) Jul 21 22:45:18 FreakGuard: can they root a galaxy yet? Jul 21 22:45:39 TommyBres: eh? I've got a dream Jul 21 22:46:08 thebof was talking about getting a magic :P Jul 21 22:46:12 err, a galaxy*** Jul 21 22:46:58 TommyBres: how old were you in 1991? :p Jul 21 22:47:17 ....3 Jul 21 22:47:39 hmm Jul 21 22:47:49 anyone seeing this 99USD android phone? Jul 21 22:47:57 which? Jul 21 22:51:27 the htc click Jul 21 22:52:09 hmm Jul 21 22:54:12 I really need to make use of the -j option when building android... Jul 21 22:54:16 I keep forgetting Jul 21 22:58:26 Anyway to decode the manifest.xml in an apk? Jul 21 22:59:06 Nighty-night, my little Droogies! Jul 21 22:59:53 ....nobody here does droogs Jul 21 23:01:14 yacc: why not, it's just a zipped up xml file Jul 21 23:01:23 herriojr1, it's not. Jul 21 23:01:31 herriojr1, it's something binary. Jul 21 23:01:44 yacc: I didn't realize it converted it, let me check that out, just a sec Jul 21 23:03:46 yacc: I mean, it is definately parseable, they have to do it for their package manager, look at the PackageManager code Jul 21 23:04:11 yacc: you just have to reinvent the wheel since that part of android is off limits to developers Jul 21 23:04:43 herriojr1, I was rather hoping for using some existing tool, ... Jul 21 23:05:02 packagemanager is not available? Jul 21 23:05:36 no, parts of it are, but the part that lets you decode a package isn't Jul 21 23:05:38 yacc: use aapt Jul 21 23:05:54 zinx: I was assuming he wanted to do it on-device Jul 21 23:06:16 then look at aapt's source :X Jul 21 23:08:04 Another question, how is the initial account registration implemented? Jul 21 23:09:25 yacc: IDK, is that open source? Jul 21 23:09:39 IDK? Jul 21 23:12:01 yacc: that part is closed source Jul 21 23:12:18 zinx, yeah, but I still wondered which part it is? Jul 21 23:12:55 SetupWizard or something Jul 21 23:12:56 I think I heard that it starts out with a different home screen and that's what makes the home button not go to the normal home screen. Jul 21 23:13:42 !memo TommyBres: update your browser.. Jul 21 23:18:17 Hi All, Jul 21 23:18:51 I am new to android.. I can see that web pages on android are cached Jul 21 23:19:11 is there a way that I can open a cached webpage in android ? Jul 21 23:19:38 too bad you dont have a blackberry: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/07/blackberry-spyware/#more-7303 Jul 21 23:20:11 Any information will be very helpful for my school project Jul 21 23:21:39 hey who here has google voice currently? Jul 21 23:22:25 is this a poll? Jul 21 23:23:25 other poll: who lives in the US and has access to google voice :p Jul 21 23:23:53 <- Jul 21 23:23:55 <_Auron|G1_> Stroids is coming along nicely Jul 21 23:24:07 <_Auron|G1_> I keep coming up with more stuff to do as I work on it Jul 21 23:24:14 <_Auron|G1_> but it's all super beneficial Jul 21 23:25:37 sofia: what is your user project? Jul 21 23:27:13 looks like /data/comd.android.browser/ has a cache dir and some cache dbs under it Jul 21 23:27:33 apps you have wont normally have access to read it, though, thankfully. Jul 21 23:33:20 <_Auron|G1_> quicklaunch is nice in android Jul 21 23:34:24 <_Auron|G1_> I haven't been bothered to use it until now Jul 21 23:35:16 newsham: I saw the /data/com.android.browser/ directory and it contains the cached web sites. However, is there a way that I can actually launch those web pages when I am not connected to the internet Jul 21 23:36:29 <_Auron|G1_> would it be possible for an app to share data with contacts, like say a highscore in a game that friends have? Jul 21 23:39:01 newsham : What I really mean is that if I am not connected to the web, can the android still pick up the cached pages and display it Jul 21 23:50:00 Is anyone here using their SD card for app storage? I currently have this set up using the symlink method (the apps dir symlinked to the SD card). if I want to remove my SD card for any reason, I have to power down. Is there any better/updated way of doing this? Jul 21 23:50:21 (I'm using JF btw) Jul 21 23:51:28 Not really. Jul 21 23:51:42 anyone familiar with GMAIL working with apple mail? Jul 21 23:55:26 im baaack Jul 21 23:55:30 <_Auron|G1_> wb Jul 21 23:56:39 Anyways, I've just noticed my phone being reeeaaally slow lately. Sometimes pulling down the status bar takes up to 10 seconds :-P Jul 21 23:57:10 wow Jul 21 23:57:30 I'm thinking there's some processes running in the background that might be taking up CPU, but when I drop into a shell and run top nothing seems out of the ordinary. Jul 21 23:57:51 I'm wondering if it has something to do w/ my apps being stored on SD card. Jul 21 23:58:02 what image are you using Jul 21 23:59:28 savid: do you have any kind of swap space turned on Jul 21 23:59:38 it will tend to cause that sort of behavior at times Jul 21 23:59:39 using JF 1.5, kernel version: 2.6.27-00392-g8312baf jesusfreake@spork#1 Jul 21 23:59:50 sparkle__, hmm. I don't think so Jul 21 23:59:58 sparkle__: enjoying 3G? Jul 22 00:00:09 it's a nice improvement Jul 22 00:00:10 not sure why I would have ever needed swap space Jul 22 00:00:11 i was going to ask you :) Jul 22 00:00:14 heh Jul 22 00:00:20 savid, i'm not saying this is your problem, but you may want to switch from JF to cyanogen Jul 22 00:00:27 i made the jump just yesterday and it's *much* quicker Jul 22 00:00:39 TommyBres, oh yeah? haven't heard of it. I'll check it out :-) Jul 22 00:01:00 i'll link you, h/o Jul 22 00:01:27 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537204 Jul 22 00:01:32 TommyBres, hmm.. cyanogen... "a colorless, toxic gas with a pungent odor". sounds like what my dog occasionally creates Jul 22 00:02:06 haha Jul 22 00:02:39 TommyBres, how long have you been using it? Jul 22 00:02:49 TommyBres, no bricking or anything like that, right? Jul 22 00:03:07 savid it's based on JF1.5x images Jul 22 00:03:13 just a few nice things added in Jul 22 00:03:29 speed modifications, pdf viewer, officedocs or whatever its called, HTC camera... Jul 22 00:03:37 wow, nice :-) Jul 22 00:03:51 * savid <3's the h4x0rs Jul 22 00:04:06 oh, and good exchange support Jul 22 00:04:09 with HTC's work mail app Jul 22 00:05:47 quickoffice Jul 22 00:05:51 but which rom are you speaking of? Jul 22 00:05:54 sure, :P Jul 22 00:05:58 cyanogen 3.6.8.1 Jul 22 00:06:03 ah yeah, i'm on that one too Jul 22 00:06:12 <3 the new cam Jul 22 00:06:16 i was die hard JF, finally swapped to this just for the hell of it Jul 22 00:06:32 and i must say, it's a big improvement (but it's based on JF, so that makes sense) Jul 22 00:07:00 well 3.6 also includes the latest tag in the android repo Jul 22 00:07:32 sure, whatever that means lol Jul 22 00:07:35 i keep trying the hero roms and drizzy or whatever his name is is always "wow it's blazing fast"... so why does it take 45 seconds to load the home screen? Jul 22 00:07:47 that guy acts like a 13yr old but has a kid or somethin on the way i think Jul 22 00:07:53 where did DangerSPL come from? Jul 22 00:08:23 i believe that's what they're calling haykuro's custom spl? Jul 22 00:08:25 I mean, how/where did haykuro get it? Jul 22 00:08:35 did he write it from scratch? Jul 22 00:08:45 doubt it Jul 22 00:09:03 no clue though Jul 22 00:09:23 lol Jul 22 00:09:26 just know not to go back to the 1.1 radio, which isn't likely anyway Jul 22 00:09:32 the haykuro SPL that bricks anything when you downgrade the radio? Jul 22 00:09:34 dunno why people even had that issue Jul 22 00:09:36 yeah, I'm using the current radio Jul 22 00:09:48 I'm wondering if it's going to brick phones when a *newer* radio image comes out Jul 22 00:09:53 why would you bother downgrading like that? Jul 22 00:09:54 spaztik: here's the problem... we don't know if it'll brick when you UPgrade the radio, too Jul 22 00:09:58 ah Jul 22 00:10:02 hello Jul 22 00:10:07 because of course, there's no newer radio out Jul 22 00:10:13 I guess if I ever upgrade the radio I'd flash hardspl back Jul 22 00:10:15 so if it bricks with anything but 1.5, who's to say it won't brick with 2.0? Jul 22 00:10:17 well... i'll just have to remember to flash to the dev spl before i do the radio Jul 22 00:10:24 yeah, you should make sure to do that just in case Jul 22 00:10:36 knowing me, i'd forget, so i just keep myself out of that situation by not using it Jul 22 00:10:52 hmm is k4r1m_ here Jul 22 00:10:56 the only reason I'm tempted is to get a larger /data partition. I will never upgrade ota so /cache is a waste of space Jul 22 00:11:09 is that all /cache does? Jul 22 00:11:14 pretty much Jul 22 00:11:19 hmm Jul 22 00:11:31 i have too much stuff to wipe though, and doing that is a guaranteed wipe Jul 22 00:11:32 at least, that's the only use of it I'm aware of Jul 22 00:11:37 (plus, now i have apps on the sd card) Jul 22 00:11:48 TommyBres: you can backup/restore with nandroid Jul 22 00:11:58 TommyBres: if all you're replacing is the radio/spl Jul 22 00:11:59 you can nandroid, then push back the data Jul 22 00:12:07 zinx the SPL resizes all of the partitions Jul 22 00:12:20 TommyBres: i'm aware Jul 22 00:12:22 you can flash a backup to something with completely different sized partitions? Jul 22 00:12:26 use unyaffs to extract the files from data.img, then use adb push to restore Jul 22 00:12:27 TommyBres: yes Jul 22 00:12:30 oh nice Jul 22 00:12:34 you don't even have to unyaffz Jul 22 00:12:35 erh, s Jul 22 00:12:36 then i wouldve done that... but now like i said, apps on sd Jul 22 00:12:48 all you have to do is a normal backup and do a normal restore Jul 22 00:12:50 oh, I was afraid nandroid was just doing a dd Jul 22 00:12:53 (i've done it) Jul 22 00:13:11 noahdroid: it pretty much is, but that's how yaffs works Jul 22 00:13:17 you can't flash something /larger/ than the partition Jul 22 00:13:18 Who has a Rogers MAgic here Jul 22 00:13:26 but you can most definitely flash something smaller and still use the entire partition's space Jul 22 00:13:32 that's neat Jul 22 00:13:47 I understand yaffs2's purpose but not at all how it works Jul 22 00:14:19 zelrikriando: i do. Jul 22 00:14:59 k4r1m: oh you re here Jul 22 00:14:59 TommyBres, i have my apps on sd as well, never had to wipe them or anything, they carry from rom to rom for me just fine Jul 22 00:15:04 k4r1m: how is the jachero Jul 22 00:15:14 yeah spaztik but i'm saying i don't need a bigger /data partition Jul 22 00:15:22 because i have plenty of room with apps on the sd Jul 22 00:16:14 zelrikriando: well if you saw the forums, its stable and everything but its not the full port... i have been trying to port the ramdisk all day but android tools on windows are phail so im trying to get ubuntu Jul 22 00:16:34 oh i see Jul 22 00:16:53 most programs don't store their data on sd, though. so email caches, google map tiles, etc. all fill of /data. Jul 22 00:17:04 and the ad blocker stores a hosts file on /system even Jul 22 00:17:19 (ugh) Jul 22 00:17:24 time to watch weeds and eat... peace ou Jul 22 00:17:25 t Jul 22 00:18:11 anyway, I'm happy to sport death (I did check that I have a pvt board), but I just wonder about the origin of that spl Jul 22 00:23:32 noahdroid: whats the diff between an app's data and it's dalvik-cache Jul 22 00:23:38 because that's on the sd card too Jul 22 00:26:22 <_Auron|G1_> I need to figure out how to write app data to its prog data Jul 22 00:28:40 dalvik-cache is just some quick reference to the dalvik vm bytecode I think. I don't know if it does anything other than extract from the apk files to reduce startup overhead or what. Jul 22 00:28:45 I haven't read through the dalvik code yet Jul 22 00:28:56 but the data the application itself generates goes in /data usually Jul 22 00:29:21 e.g. /data/data/com.google.android.maps/* Jul 22 00:31:27 some a2sd implementations move the dalvik cache to the sd card. If you use that, you can never pull the sd card out of your phone while it's running Jul 22 00:31:50 anyone here who constantly watches anime or just tv shows on their G1? Jul 22 00:32:47 no, but I listen to some radio streams Jul 22 00:34:15 hmm, my cell phone provider is extremely weird, too weird maybe Jul 22 00:34:31 TommyBres, how do you install this thing? just downloaded from http://n0rp.chemlab.org/android/update-cm-3.6.8.1-signed.zip. Is it just a matter of copying to sd card and reboot? Jul 22 00:34:54 rename to "update.zip" Jul 22 00:35:02 then put on sd card, turn the phone off Jul 22 00:35:07 boot by holding home and power Jul 22 00:35:07 the website says I'm on my new terms but the promised text message didn't arrived yet, hopefully the website says the truth or it will be expensive :-) Jul 22 00:35:08 then hit alt+s Jul 22 00:37:32 lol tbo Jul 22 00:38:49 AakashPatel: well, I don't find that very funny :-) Jul 22 00:39:29 i do :D Jul 22 00:39:35 har har, hardy har har Jul 22 00:40:18 AakashPatel: very well then, so you're willing to pay the difference for that joke? Jul 22 00:41:26 if he was, it wouldn't be as funny :-) Jul 22 00:42:41 JesusFreke: does your image contain an ext2 module? Jul 22 00:43:25 noahdroid: not for him anyway Jul 22 00:43:52 you can always download images on your desktop and then adb push them Jul 22 00:44:20 if you're going to be modding your phone you should have adb handy. Jul 22 00:44:49 lol Jul 22 00:47:17 hi Jul 22 00:47:19 omg windows update Jul 22 00:47:21 great Jul 22 00:47:32 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qtjVFMZC9M *lol* Jul 22 00:48:06 I nuked some apks from my phone and now I have extra broken icons in my app tray Jul 22 00:48:22 anyone know where the launcher keeps it's db of whatever for the apps? Jul 22 00:48:33 LOL! Jul 22 00:48:42 that video is so epic Jul 22 00:49:20 warewolf: reboot the phone Jul 22 00:49:44 hahaha Jul 22 00:50:44 ha nice vid Jul 22 00:52:49 AakashPatel What android phone you have ? Jul 22 00:52:56 android dev phone Jul 22 00:52:58 lawlz Jul 22 00:53:16 ^^ Jul 22 00:54:03 woot! just got my google voice invite! Jul 22 00:54:34 :P Jul 22 00:54:36 old news Jul 22 00:54:42 Gigawatts: even people who can't use voice got one Jul 22 00:55:13 i know, just showing exietment that mine just came Jul 22 00:55:29 lol Jul 22 00:55:33 i barely use mine Jul 22 00:59:36 so, who knows any specifics on how the akmd process/service works? Jul 22 01:00:24 i know its nessisary for the accel and compass sensors to work properly, but can anyone help me determine what might be wrong with it thats causing my sensors not to work? Jul 22 01:00:52 tmzt: you around? ive been told you know such things :) Jul 22 01:06:17 gigawatts: the solution I've read about that usually helps is to boot into the recovery console and remove /data/misc/akmd_set.txt Jul 22 01:06:30 right, i dont have one Jul 22 01:06:34 my phone isnt creating one Jul 22 01:06:37 thats the problem Jul 22 01:06:44 yeah tmzt is definitely the one to help you, he was in here earlier Jul 22 01:06:47 oh, interesting Jul 22 01:06:57 Gigawatts: you have a bad habit of coming in here when he's not, lol Jul 22 01:07:14 i know :/ i keep trying to catch him, and never seem to time it right Jul 22 01:07:58 ive even /msg'd him, pointing him towards my thread on xda, still havent heard from him Jul 22 01:08:07 doh Jul 22 01:10:44 indeed Jul 22 01:10:48 do i need to build the android source get the mkbootimg and mkbootfs working? Jul 22 01:13:38 whats the best way to try and modify my init.trout.rc file to mess with how akmd starts? Jul 22 01:13:59 terminal from recovery? Jul 22 01:15:10 anyone? Jul 22 01:20:51 ... Jul 22 01:31:21 http://androinica.com/2009/07/21/rumor-htc-click-is-99-entry-level-android-phone/ Jul 22 01:34:45 99 with a plan? Jul 22 01:35:01 or just the phone Jul 22 01:37:01 is there a way to check how many minutes or how many data went through the phone? Jul 22 01:37:10 $100 with a plan, i would not call that an "entry level phone" Jul 22 01:37:34 yeah Jul 22 01:37:41 Gigawatts: sure Jul 22 01:37:47 I got mine for 99$ Jul 22 01:37:48 how much does a cell plan cost over a year Jul 22 01:37:53 with a plan Jul 22 01:38:05 a lot Jul 22 01:38:08 like Jul 22 01:38:14 if a cell plan costs say $700 over a year Jul 22 01:38:18 12*65 Jul 22 01:38:22 if i paid $700 for gas and insurance for a car over a year Jul 22 01:38:24 for me at least Jul 22 01:38:25 mine costs $720 a year Jul 22 01:38:26 zelrikriando: i got my G1 for 98.88 with a plan Jul 22 01:38:26 would i think $100 for the car was expensive? Jul 22 01:38:28 heh Jul 22 01:38:35 the recurring costs dwarf the 1-time ones Jul 22 01:38:55 I got an expensive 100$ insurance though Jul 22 01:39:02 that I just exploded by hacking my phone Jul 22 01:39:02 insurance is a racket Jul 22 01:39:24 so I kinda regret it Jul 22 01:39:29 I ripped myself off Jul 22 01:39:37 hm? Jul 22 01:39:45 if it's disaster handset replacement insurance, they really don't care Jul 22 01:39:49 isn't that insurance supposed to even cover like running it over or dropping it in water? Jul 22 01:39:49 so long as your phone doesn't get wet Jul 22 01:39:52 but it's a ripoff Jul 22 01:39:58 oh, they do care about water? Jul 22 01:40:04 not sure anymore Jul 22 01:40:10 some used to consider that intentional damage Jul 22 01:40:14 i was never sure :x Jul 22 01:40:15 but one company handles them all now i think Jul 22 01:40:27 Asurion Jul 22 01:40:28 that's it Jul 22 01:40:40 I ll just give my phone to a pimp Jul 22 01:40:40 here's the thing Jul 22 01:40:44 and say it got stolen Jul 22 01:40:45 :D Jul 22 01:40:53 once you factor in the deductable and the fact that they kick you out of being covered after making a claim Jul 22 01:40:57 it's really not worth it Jul 22 01:41:00 as long as you have a private liability insurance :-) Jul 22 01:41:50 I ll be like hey my phone is not working well... Jul 22 01:42:07 they ll be like " hu ? why is that the Sense UI interface on it?? " Jul 22 01:42:21 me : " I dont know... I got it like this " Jul 22 01:43:20 I could install the Rogers backup rom though and pretend I didnt flash the spl :D Jul 22 01:45:14 they do care about water Jul 22 01:45:30 they told me if we find ur phone has water damage we are charging you 550$ Jul 22 01:45:49 or if we find that you have purposly damaged it Jul 22 01:45:57 hmm Jul 22 01:46:00 k4r1m: what about software modifications? Jul 22 01:46:21 LAME Jul 22 01:46:21 i'd be like "bullshit, i'm not aware of any water damage and you can't prove that something i'm unaware of is me maliciously trying to con you for a phone" Jul 22 01:46:25 I miss the android notification ayatrm Jul 22 01:46:35 zelrikriando: im not sure i took the safe road and restored everything except the spl which i dont think is possible to restore? Jul 22 01:46:54 TommyBres: there is a way to find out Jul 22 01:47:08 where on the phone can you find out? i know the battery, thats obvious Jul 22 01:47:09 tommyBres hi Jul 22 01:47:16 i thought youd have to take it apart for the other spot Jul 22 01:47:20 ....hi diaflow Jul 22 01:47:22 kash: ... Jul 22 01:47:44 TommyBres: unban me from -offtopic plz Jul 22 01:47:49 wtf Jul 22 01:48:00 someone told me there is some sort "environmental" device on the phone that gets trigger if phone gets damaged by water, freezing, heating, ..etc Jul 22 01:48:23 there are water detection stickers Jul 22 01:49:04 mmattice: thats probably it then Jul 22 01:49:19 AakashPatel: youre back in Jul 22 01:49:29 i just sent my old one yesterday, tech there is not wrong with it but a dead pixel Jul 22 01:49:43 TommyBres: thanks :) Jul 22 01:50:04 on another nore wow the android source is taking like an hour to build Jul 22 01:50:09 you guys have seen those round white sticker under the battery holder space right? Jul 22 01:50:17 when that turns red it means you damaged it Jul 22 01:50:28 well as in ... they think you damaged it Jul 22 01:50:32 using water etc. Jul 22 01:50:35 that's the water damage sticker. Jul 22 01:50:46 ya, pretty common Jul 22 01:50:52 most stuff has had those for awhile Jul 22 01:50:53 it doesn't detect physical damage to it beyond water. Jul 22 01:51:05 prolly works on beer as well ;-) Jul 22 01:51:12 beer is mostly water. Jul 22 01:51:15 there might be a different one for drop damage Jul 22 01:51:41 spikebike: uh yeah. That's called "just look at the phone for the huge cracked screen", etc Jul 22 01:52:01 there is probably microwave stickers too... if you just wanted to see if your phone turn into a dinousar if you put it in the microwave.. Jul 22 01:52:27 ok, step back from the rumor mill Jul 22 01:52:39 dinosaur* Jul 22 01:52:54 warewolf: that was sarcasm lmao i guess u havnt seen that video on youtube Jul 22 01:53:04 oh Jul 22 01:53:06 sorry Jul 22 01:53:25 yeah somebody puts their phone in the phone and it turns into a dinosaur lol Jul 22 01:53:32 it was cg animated and stuff Jul 22 01:53:33 SWEET Jul 22 01:53:37 PHONE IN THE PHONE Jul 22 01:53:50 I GOT A SCREEN IN MY SCREEN SO I CAN FAP WHILE I FAP Jul 22 01:53:52 that must have taken effort. Jul 22 01:53:52 i mean wut Jul 22 01:54:00 TommyBres++ Jul 22 01:54:13 lol Jul 22 01:54:40 warewolf: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0TSyIn5KMo not a dinosaur lol looks like the guy from doom Jul 22 02:02:25 ok, my 16gb card came in the mail today. i want to partition it it with swap, ext, and fat. which is recommended way, use my suse bot, or use the sdk/adb tool? Jul 22 02:02:56 i used parted on the handset Jul 22 02:02:59 suse box Jul 22 02:03:01 * sparkle__ shrugs Jul 22 02:03:21 or just plug it into a desktop Jul 22 02:04:24 am sure it doesnt matter what i part it with, Jul 22 02:04:49 i would like to swear to never use tmobile phones again.... stupid MyTouch and its PIA SPL Jul 22 02:05:22 you're just mad because you can't root it Jul 22 02:05:31 yeap Jul 22 02:05:36 yeah, i would be too :X Jul 22 02:05:42 you cant root it??? Jul 22 02:05:43 wtf Jul 22 02:05:45 LAME Jul 22 02:05:59 you cant just flash it with a rooted image? Jul 22 02:06:27 how would you do that ? Jul 22 02:07:00 shiznebit: poningru obviously knows of not what he speaks Jul 22 02:07:38 only 15 gb available, what a dissapointment Jul 22 02:07:48 how cruel Jul 22 02:07:53 what was the the other way to get tethering Jul 22 02:08:04 http://ostebaronen.dk/?p=116 Jul 22 02:08:08 through some windows program Jul 22 02:08:30 I read that the other day Jul 22 02:08:43 I assumed that is true for all magic phones Jul 22 02:08:55 sadly its not :( Jul 22 02:09:20 ah Jul 22 02:09:24 ic :( Jul 22 02:09:28 ok, am doing the partition. 128mb swap is not overkill is it? Jul 22 02:09:33 there's a bunch Jul 22 02:09:38 its too little Jul 22 02:09:44 256 is reasonable Jul 22 02:09:46 pdanet Jul 22 02:09:46 some openvpn imeplementation, azilink (via usb) and wifi tether Jul 22 02:09:48 shiznebit: 2gb Jul 22 02:10:04 shiznebit: on an android, 256mb? Jul 22 02:10:37 well atleast :) Jul 22 02:10:38 some people say 32mb flash is recommended, and you say 256mb? Jul 22 02:11:07 you said 128mb :P so why not double it Jul 22 02:11:09 32mb swap rahter Jul 22 02:11:39 shiznebit: i dont have time for sarcasm Jul 22 02:12:51 i am looking for what will be stable as this is my 1st attempt at apps2sd Jul 22 02:13:22 twois10: apps2sd using which method ? Jul 22 02:13:51 i need help Jul 22 02:14:13 i need to get a hacker to do somthing for me Jul 22 02:14:25 anyone can help plz u can make 150 cash Jul 22 02:14:31 shiznebit: that will come later, one step at a time, i am just looking to get the right size partitions, i dont want to under do it or go overboard Jul 22 02:14:46 SPAM ALERT Jul 22 02:15:08 anyone on plz Jul 22 02:15:10 twois10: oh i see, you mean storage space for the ext partition ? Jul 22 02:15:13 hay guise: Jul 22 02:15:15 http://phandroid.com/2009/07/21/motorola-morrison-picture-snapped-appears-black-and-blue/ Jul 22 02:15:18 thoughts? Jul 22 02:15:22 Guyinneed: is it porn pics of a girl ? Jul 22 02:15:28 NO Jul 22 02:15:29 Guyinneed: if so then i will Jul 22 02:15:38 meh no go then Jul 22 02:15:48 shiznebit: yes, not for an computer OS, I know what to do there Jul 22 02:16:09 I NEED CO.91.COM HACK FOR MY ACCOUNT INFO Jul 22 02:16:25 Guyinneed: do it yourself.... Jul 22 02:16:26 I AM WILLING TO PAY 150 TO 200 CASH Jul 22 02:16:31 SPAM ALERT Jul 22 02:16:36 SPAM ALERT Jul 22 02:16:40 SPAM ALERT Jul 22 02:16:41 OPS Jul 22 02:16:45 I AM NOT SMART ENOUGHT TO DO IT Jul 22 02:16:53 LOL Jul 22 02:16:56 THIS GUY IS FUNNAY Jul 22 02:17:02 i wount even now were to begen Jul 22 02:17:03 CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL Jul 22 02:17:10 chanserv, jasonchen, vol_, any ops here? Jul 22 02:17:28 Guyinneed: you can start by spelling in english Jul 22 02:17:36 can anyone give me any advice are point me to some that can help Jul 22 02:17:44 http://tinyurl.com/3ybguf @ Guyinneed Jul 22 02:17:50 www.xda-developers.com Jul 22 02:17:56 there, i pointed you, now go troll there Jul 22 02:18:06 lol Jul 22 02:18:12 Ok, so I see a lot of talk about A2SD on the xda-developers Cyanogen thread, and nothing about how to actually set it up. Can anyone clue me in? Jul 22 02:18:25 savid, sure Jul 22 02:18:31 cyanogen rom automatically sets it up Jul 22 02:18:36 the cyanogen image makes it veryvery easy Jul 22 02:18:41 is there any other chat rooms that can help me Jul 22 02:18:47 just partition the sdcard into a 500MB ext2 partition and the rest fat32, and pop it in Jul 22 02:18:53 it does the rest automatically :) Jul 22 02:18:55 go on the efnet server Jul 22 02:18:58 troll there Jul 22 02:19:03 shiznebit: TommyBres i am on cyanogen's rom now Jul 22 02:19:10 and its not a2sd Jul 22 02:19:11 twois10: me too Jul 22 02:19:23 its only APPS that are sd Jul 22 02:19:27 twois10: it detects the presence of a mounted ext2 partition at /system/sd Jul 22 02:19:29 I am looking to go jackhero Jul 22 02:19:30 are on the sd Jul 22 02:19:36 and automatically moves apps and stuff to there Jul 22 02:19:51 plz ppl help me Jul 22 02:20:00 Guyinneed: i just gave it to you Jul 22 02:20:09 http://tinyurl.com/3ybguf @ Guyinneed Jul 22 02:20:09 that funny it say wrong Jul 22 02:21:02 lol twois10 thats pretty good Jul 22 02:21:36 4. How do I set up apps-to-sd? Jul 22 02:21:37 You need to create a second partition on your SD card in the ext2/ext3/ext4 format. Search the forums if you don't know how to do this. Once created, the ROM will move your apps automatically and new apps will be installed to the SD by default. Jul 22 02:21:39 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537204 Jul 22 02:21:41 kthx Jul 22 02:22:16 TommyBres, ah cool, thanks Jul 22 02:22:27 no problem Jul 22 02:22:35 * Gigawatts pings tmzt Jul 22 02:22:37 from personal experience i'll say you dont need more than 500MB for the ext2 partition Jul 22 02:22:41 TommyBres, and it has to be 500MB? or is it just whatever u want? Jul 22 02:22:49 it can be whatever you want... Jul 22 02:22:59 :D Jul 22 02:23:11 but it's only for apps, i have about a zillion (literally over $100 of paid apps alone and most are free) and i have 387MB free Jul 22 02:23:31 again, is 128 swap two much. double the recommended 32 mb to 64? Jul 22 02:23:35 Yeah, good point... guess you don't need much space for that :) Jul 22 02:23:37 yeay unionfs was a failure :( Jul 22 02:24:25 as a swap partition or a storage space for apps on sd ? im confused as hell ? Jul 22 02:24:51 shiznebit: i was talking about apps to sd, not swap Jul 22 02:25:00 500MB is good for apps to sd, i dont deal with swappage Jul 22 02:25:09 swap will create situations where the android oom killer doesn't work as effectively Jul 22 02:25:22 you can end up with chunks of the UI paged out, which is generally avoided Jul 22 02:25:40 so you get big chunks of lag Jul 22 02:25:54 shiznebit: i have 15gb (should be 16gb) and I want to make a fat, ext3, and swap Jul 22 02:25:55 sparkle__: oh shyte thats no good Jul 22 02:25:59 if you're compiling on the handset then sure you need swap Jul 22 02:26:12 but i would turn it off when you don't need it Jul 22 02:26:20 what is the android oom killer Jul 22 02:26:32 apps in android are designed to be ephemeral Jul 22 02:26:47 when the system is low on vm, the kernel looks around for something to target Jul 22 02:26:59 there's prioritization built in that favors not killing the current app or the home screen Jul 22 02:27:03 or other core ui stuff Jul 22 02:27:34 anyone tried that latest JACHeroski? Jul 22 02:27:37 but if i have swap, that just increase cache and speek Jul 22 02:27:39 speed Jul 22 02:27:47 when it kills an android app, enough state is saved so the app can restart "in place" Jul 22 02:28:03 the problem is that the oom killer doesn't kick in until you get close to being out of vm Jul 22 02:28:07 i still don't really know what i did with that compcache, nor do i know if it helped Jul 22 02:28:11 but i know i did it and it works :P Jul 22 02:28:22 so if you have say 256mb of swap...then you have to use up the large majority of that before it will try to kill procs Jul 22 02:28:24 well that's up to the application developer Jul 22 02:28:31 know what, am going with 128 mb swap, i can always turn it off Jul 22 02:28:34 about how much data is saved Jul 22 02:28:38 spaztik: sure Jul 22 02:28:42 twois10: set vm.page-cluster to 0 Jul 22 02:28:44 if you do Jul 22 02:28:52 that will tell it to not cluster pages pushed out to swap Jul 22 02:29:02 with a near zero seek time media like flash, that ends up being much faster Jul 22 02:29:20 by default it will push out 8 pages at once, whether it needs to or not Jul 22 02:29:41 ok now for the apps, how much space should i dedicate. 1gb, 512mb? Jul 22 02:30:35 i used 128mb Jul 22 02:30:56 spaztik: whats your sd card size? Jul 22 02:30:59 i don't have a TON of stuf finstalled, but at least 40mb free Jul 22 02:31:06 twois10, i have the 1 gb that came with the phone Jul 22 02:31:15 twois10: 500 Jul 22 02:31:28 WAIT you have 40MB free right now?! Jul 22 02:31:31 Ok am going with 512MB Jul 22 02:31:36 i have 40mb free of my 128mb partition if that's any example of app usage Jul 22 02:31:37 i had 0MB free, i couldn't even finish installing copilot Jul 22 02:31:44 oh i don't have that Jul 22 02:31:49 that's the reason i did apps to sd, and *I* have 387 of 500 free now Jul 22 02:31:54 but you'd think that'd have a place ot store maps or somethin? Jul 22 02:32:04 copoilot? it does Jul 22 02:32:10 the app itself is like 16MB, and the maps are like 2GB Jul 22 02:32:20 damn, that's a lot Jul 22 02:32:24 yup Jul 22 02:32:34 wouldn't imagine it be 16mb Jul 22 02:32:55 i didn't imagine it either... which is why i had to do apps2sd so quick lol Jul 22 02:33:07 it was like CANNOT COMPLETE AND NOW YOUR PHONE RUNS LIKE DOGSHIT BECAUSE IT HAS NO MEMORY Jul 22 02:33:13 and i was like D: !!! Jul 22 02:33:32 crap i cant do it with linux box, not allow the formatting of a sdcard Jul 22 02:33:39 why not? Jul 22 02:33:41 hahah Jul 22 02:33:54 i mean not allowing the partition Jul 22 02:33:54 maps are stored on the fat partition Jul 22 02:33:56 ROFL Jul 22 02:34:06 shiznebit: false, stored in the ext2 Jul 22 02:34:10 it lets you format but not partition the device Jul 22 02:34:13 wait... Jul 22 02:34:15 * TommyBres thinks Jul 22 02:34:27 where all do apps store data Jul 22 02:34:33 yeah i'm right :P Jul 22 02:34:47 TommyBres: lol Jul 22 02:34:58 spaztik: by default in /data/ Jul 22 02:35:14 but with apps on the sd card, they get moved to /system/sd/ Jul 22 02:35:55 there is always a way Jul 22 02:36:27 hmm boom crash, i guess i cant use adb from a vm Jul 22 02:36:50 tr yin the jacheroski Jul 22 02:37:08 i converted my ext3 to ext4 today, one point was scary after i did / Jul 22 02:37:08 spaztik: yeah kinda of Jul 22 02:37:17 i got get the cm recovery to work first Jul 22 02:37:37 the 1.3.1? Jul 22 02:37:59 I'd like to thank google for adding subway/walking routes/directions to maps on my g1 for my move to nyc next week. Next I want inertial navigation so it can tell me when to get off the trains where no cell/gps signal. :) Jul 22 02:38:06 ok, seriously how can i part this sdcard in SUSE Jul 22 02:38:16 spaztik: yeah for people to format their sd cards Jul 22 02:38:30 twois10, just use the script for the phone Jul 22 02:38:32 dkr: the google maps for android will continue to suck until they add tbt Jul 22 02:38:39 i repacked the recovery with the 32A kernel just trying to test it Jul 22 02:38:46 I wonder if i could tap into the current route to see the distance and do a rough calculation to sound an alarm when we travel that much distance and start slowing down Jul 22 02:38:57 k4r1m, hmm i didn't try anything fancy but i was able to boot on it, and do it via adb Jul 22 02:39:05 as well as on the console if i so desired Jul 22 02:39:25 spaztik: u have a 32A? Jul 22 02:39:32 32A? Jul 22 02:39:39 magic 32a Jul 22 02:39:45 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=535914 that's related to ubuntu, but i couldnt' imagining it be any more different Jul 22 02:39:46 spaztik: which script? Jul 22 02:39:49 i have a dream Jul 22 02:39:56 lol ofcourse u got it working Jul 22 02:40:02 twois10, looking for it Jul 22 02:40:05 im trying to get it on the 32A boarded magic Jul 22 02:40:17 which is htc branded so it has a complete different kernel Jul 22 02:40:20 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=500387 Jul 22 02:40:26 spaztik: that one day, my children will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character Jul 22 02:40:26 twois10 ^^^^^ Jul 22 02:40:32 ok they use gparted Jul 22 02:41:11 or you could just use fdisk and mkfs Jul 22 02:41:18 spaztik: im pretty sure that only does ext2 and i want ext3/ext4 Jul 22 02:41:20 but that script is useful if you're on windows Jul 22 02:42:08 spaztik: am not on windows Jul 22 02:42:25 k4r1m, which only does ext2 Jul 22 02:43:09 yeah thats why im trying to get the cm recovery to work cuz it does ext3 Jul 22 02:43:31 the 1.2 did i think Jul 22 02:43:45 1.3.1 just says "repair ext filesystems", i figured that was an fsck Jul 22 02:43:45 #1 thing I won't stand: AdMobile. Jul 22 02:43:56 quickuninstall just went bye-bye. Jul 22 02:44:27 i don't mind it Jul 22 02:44:31 the app is free Jul 22 02:44:43 the developer deserves the money if i use it Jul 22 02:44:49 spaztik: direct quote "* Various scripts, upgrade_fs (convert to ext3), fix_permissions (set app and data permissions to what packages.xml expects)" Jul 22 02:45:12 ah, so you run those from console? Jul 22 02:45:23 ofcourse Jul 22 02:45:26 gunna see that real quick Jul 22 02:45:33 well im trying to =P Jul 22 02:45:53 bam and there it went Jul 22 02:45:59 oh shit yeah Jul 22 02:46:02 im afraid if there changes done to the kernel that are needed by the tools Jul 22 02:46:03 fix_permissions on there too Jul 22 02:46:08 spaztik: it's quite a bit different than advertisements on a web page Jul 22 02:46:19 warewolf, how so? Jul 22 02:46:21 i my linux box, i usually create /boot sda1, swap sda2, / sda3 and /home sda4 Jul 22 02:46:28 spaztik: admobile wakes up periodically to fetch advertisements when you're not using the phone. Jul 22 02:46:40 spaztik: I consider that dadware/spyware. Jul 22 02:46:41 hmm.. i got some fragmentation goin pretty bad Jul 22 02:46:44 er Jul 22 02:46:50 s/dad/ad/ Jul 22 02:46:57 really? like always? Jul 22 02:47:01 yes. Jul 22 02:47:12 that is why I bitched about power manager being a paid app w/ admobile STILL IN IT. Jul 22 02:47:19 hmm.. i'd have to know more about that Jul 22 02:47:26 I discovered it from looking at adb logcat Jul 22 02:47:27 yeah that would piss me off Jul 22 02:47:46 hmm i have at least 4 or 5 apps with admob, i've never seen that Jul 22 02:47:51 i ahve logcat on almost all day Jul 22 02:47:51 OMG OMG Jul 22 02:47:54 butt secks yay Jul 22 02:48:01 ? Jul 22 02:48:05 i sent an invite to google voice last week Jul 22 02:48:09 now i'm in Jul 22 02:48:13 yippie. Jul 22 02:48:14 grats Jul 22 02:48:18 what's your number Jul 22 02:48:22 huh? Jul 22 02:48:24 i just got the e-mail Jul 22 02:48:28 haven't even clicked it yet Jul 22 02:48:29 123-456-7890 Jul 22 02:48:32 i got my 2nd invite yesterday Jul 22 02:48:33 i know a guy who wants to sell you to renew your auto insurance Jul 22 02:48:34 is my numbah Jul 22 02:48:39 (NOT)-4U2-KNOW Jul 22 02:48:45 that's my favorite fake phone number Jul 22 02:48:46 LAWLLLLL Jul 22 02:48:55 i have 2 GV numbers but i can only forward 1 to my phone Jul 22 02:48:56 s/to sell // Jul 22 02:48:59 i still havent figured out a way around it Jul 22 02:49:04 I use that a lot actually, on e-commerce stores "What is the phone # of your bank?" Jul 22 02:49:08 TommyBres: should have sold the second invite, tbqh Jul 22 02:49:21 yeah i know zinx Jul 22 02:49:24 i would have lol Jul 22 02:49:26 this may be a strange question, but do traffic lights emit any type of signal? Jul 22 02:49:28 i didnt realize itd automatically lock it to my account though Jul 22 02:49:33 TommyBres, they only allow 1 acct to forward to a phone? Jul 22 02:49:37 as soon as i signed in after clicking the link it was like PICKYOURNUMBERNOWWW Jul 22 02:49:40 yes spaztik Jul 22 02:49:44 sucks Jul 22 02:49:53 didnt you get past that TommyBres ? Jul 22 02:49:56 but i can see why Jul 22 02:50:07 titefuzz: sure, but probably nothing useful Jul 22 02:50:07 AakashPatel: i'm thinking there is no way past Jul 22 02:50:24 cant forward a GV number to another GV number, or a GV number to a number that's already linked to a GV account Jul 22 02:50:26 it's on their end, so i highly doubt it Jul 22 02:50:36 pshh Jul 22 02:50:43 my gv is f'ed up right now :) Jul 22 02:50:48 how so Jul 22 02:51:17 yeah how Jul 22 02:51:24 when i send a text out of my messaging app to a gv number it sends from my gv number Jul 22 02:51:30 magically Jul 22 02:51:45 ,,,, Jul 22 02:51:46 ..... Jul 22 02:51:51 thats the idea Jul 22 02:51:54 k4r1m, the answer is no, no kernel tweaks required Jul 22 02:51:54 no Jul 22 02:52:02 welllll, i actually take that back Jul 22 02:52:09 TommyBres: this happends to *noone* lol Jul 22 02:52:11 when you send a message to the person's gv-assigned number, it will send the message from your gv number Jul 22 02:52:22 i didn't check modules to see if there's an ext3 module on your original recovery img Jul 22 02:52:25 wut? Jul 22 02:52:30 TommyBres: yours does that to? Jul 22 02:52:32 like, you use the official google voice app to make a call, it adds a contact of "Other" Jul 22 02:52:34 none of the roms boot with ext4 right? Jul 22 02:52:39 AakashPatel: that's how it works! Jul 22 02:52:43 TommyBres: kny's didnt or EugeneKay's Jul 22 02:52:44 k4r1m: http://pastebin.com/m31689bc6 taht's the script Jul 22 02:52:46 twois10: I think cyanogen's might Jul 22 02:52:46 if you call that number it'll call them with your GV number Jul 22 02:52:49 so we thought its f'ed up :) Jul 22 02:53:06 AakashPatel: thats why it adds the 2nd number to your contacts Jul 22 02:53:16 when you say "call with GV", it calls that number, not their actual number Jul 22 02:53:18 warewolf: might? i dont get enough sleep already... Jul 22 02:53:24 AakashPatel, yeah that's the point Jul 22 02:53:33 twois10: look on xda-dev for cyanogen Jul 22 02:53:41 warewolf: i am there Jul 22 02:53:42 there's a 3rd party one called GV that lets you change that Jul 22 02:53:43 ping KNY EugeneKay Jul 22 02:53:48 your gv is f'ed up btw Jul 22 02:53:50 ;) Jul 22 02:53:54 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=518851 Jul 22 02:54:00 twois10: no need to lewk Jul 22 02:54:02 definitely on the call, not sure about the sms Jul 22 02:54:18 8. Can I use Ext4? Jul 22 02:54:20 Yes, the kernel supports it (with delayed allocation patches backported from 2.6.30) and the required tools are there. You'll need to do the conversion manually, though. Jul 22 02:54:25 yeah it works the same way, just does it internally spaztik Jul 22 02:54:35 what does this mean, do the conversion manually? Jul 22 02:54:37 i emailed the google voice team like WHAT DA FOOK, its not supposed to add another contact Jul 22 02:54:50 twois10: you need to format it as ext4 on your own Jul 22 02:54:51 hey Jul 22 02:54:55 help me Jul 22 02:55:00 TommyBres: lol, oh Jul 22 02:55:01 hey Jul 22 02:55:05 I need a million dollars Jul 22 02:55:06 am doing that now Jul 22 02:55:15 warewolf: check or money order? Jul 22 02:55:18 twois10: upgrading from ext2 to ext3 can be done in shell quickly through his recovery, but his recovery cant make it ext4 Jul 22 02:55:22 where it says "choose an area code" then it says choose a phrase... what is the point of that whole step??? Jul 22 02:55:36 so yeah, as long as you're formatting it as ext4 on your own, it'll handle it Jul 22 02:55:45 TommyBres: i upgraded my actual system today from ext3 to ext4 Jul 22 02:55:50 tune2fs -O extents,uninit_bg /dev/ROOT is all you need to add i believe Jul 22 02:55:50 i chose the area code, and when i choose a phrase or something, it says Sorry, no results for BLANK in BLANK area code Jul 22 02:55:51 Lieutenant: know how there are numbers *AND* letters on the phone keypad? Jul 22 02:55:52 nice Jul 22 02:55:56 yeah Jul 22 02:55:58 Lieutenant: try spelling something out with them. Jul 22 02:56:08 i did. but it says no results Jul 22 02:56:08 Lieutenant: do you have javascript turned on? Jul 22 02:56:11 is it searching for something? Jul 22 02:56:13 Lieutenant: you can put like, "PENIS" Jul 22 02:56:23 then that number might not be available. Try something else. Jul 22 02:56:23 Lieutenant, to get some cool numbers Jul 22 02:56:25 and it'll see if that phrase (in numbers) is available as a phone # Jul 22 02:56:30 you can use area code or zip Jul 22 02:56:39 oh Jul 22 02:56:41 mine's 298-8889 Jul 22 02:56:42 rob said his number is like, xxx-xxx-ROBJ because his name is rob jackson Jul 22 02:56:44 that kinda thing Jul 22 02:56:55 spaztik: 631-298-8889? ;) Jul 22 02:57:02 nope Jul 22 02:57:04 i did 1callme and it couldn't do it :( Jul 22 02:57:07 EIGHT SIX SEVEN FIVE THREE OH NIIIIIINNNNNEEEEEE Jul 22 02:57:10 lol Jul 22 02:57:11 only 998 more options to go Jul 22 02:57:22 why not? i checked and noone has that number Jul 22 02:57:23 no, i think its 631 Jul 22 02:57:25 can anyone confirm if jackhero supports ext4, i know kernel 2.6.29 does Jul 22 02:57:34 because 631-298-xxxx is actually a set of phone numbers Jul 22 02:57:53 i'm sure 298 is in a lot of prefixes Jul 22 02:57:58 idk about that Jul 22 02:58:02 TommyBres: where's 202? :P Jul 22 02:58:12 i don't know off the top of my head Jul 22 02:58:25 :( Jul 22 02:59:26 this is shitty. i am putting all these numbers in that NOBODY in my area code has... and it isn't taking them Jul 22 02:59:49 may just not be offered Jul 22 02:59:54 oh **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 22 02:59:56 2009