**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 23 02:59:57 2009 Jul 23 02:59:58 lol you said you were getting app crashes Jul 23 03:00:13 and you in place updated to cyanogen, and you're still getting app crashes Jul 23 03:00:14 me? not since switching to cyanogen Jul 23 03:00:19 coincidence? Jul 23 03:00:25 rumsey youre stupid Jul 23 03:00:37 thats why youre missing my point Jul 23 03:00:45 WHY IS ALARM CLOCK RUNNING Jul 23 03:01:02 the people at google write broken alarm clocks i guess Jul 23 03:01:16 so it can crash for you... Jul 23 03:01:20 lol Jul 23 03:01:48 well darairc is a new app im trying out, its buggy as hell so far but improving Jul 23 03:01:55 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4185549 Jul 23 03:01:59 so that crash didnt surprise me one bit Jul 23 03:02:07 yeah, I tried it too Jul 23 03:02:26 "spinning wheel of death" Jul 23 03:02:32 i like that cyanogen, it has some flair Jul 23 03:02:51 crashed for me too Jul 23 03:02:55 a lot Jul 23 03:03:05 is the changelog differences from cyanogen 3.8? Jul 23 03:03:22 cyanogen: lol "More shit I can't remember" Jul 23 03:03:41 damn i didnt notice all the top dogs were in here...jf...cy Jul 23 03:03:46 good place to learn Jul 23 03:03:49 nex yep, its new Jul 23 03:03:55 im giving it a chance Jul 23 03:04:12 nflava: you forgot TommyBres he is from earth. Jul 23 03:04:40 i dont know his work yet lol Jul 23 03:04:43 ...yes, im from earth Jul 23 03:04:58 im just jealous of all the skill in here Jul 23 03:05:01 yeah, I switched to androidirc (free) though that darairc looks like it'll be good with time Jul 23 03:05:20 nflava the most creative dev work i have is a bong made out of a soda bottle, a bic pen, a shoe freshener, shoe goo and tin foil Jul 23 03:05:36 cyrkets been down for like an hour Jul 23 03:05:37 spark it up! Jul 23 03:05:43 mcgyver Jul 23 03:05:47 haha Jul 23 03:05:52 and he wears intense orange shoes Jul 23 03:06:20 when youre about to leave work (footwear @ the sports authority) and have nothing to smoke from... Jul 23 03:06:24 that's gotta count for something Jul 23 03:06:33 mcgyver is the least of what will be done Jul 23 03:06:50 jesusfreke, dont forget that theyre bright orange reebok pumps Jul 23 03:07:15 that's what I said. intense orange shoes Jul 23 03:07:29 pumps! retro ftw Jul 23 03:08:43 ew retro Jul 23 03:09:00 where is my light saber! Jul 23 03:09:05 sci fi ! Jul 23 03:09:15 lol Jul 23 03:11:00 k4r1m: I found something called tuneWiki, I think it s pretty good Jul 23 03:13:27 hmmm Jul 23 03:13:35 how many of you use webos Jul 23 03:14:19 is this the not talk to me day Jul 23 03:14:48 we all do, what gave it away Jul 23 03:14:50 the channel name? Jul 23 03:14:53 :) Jul 23 03:14:57 for real Jul 23 03:15:13 theres a webos ported to the g1 Jul 23 03:15:32 I personally use Android... :) Jul 23 03:15:49 rtk_cool check out #webos-watercooler, #webos and #webos-internals Jul 23 03:15:57 if youre interested :P Jul 23 03:16:13 and webos on g1? i call BS Jul 23 03:16:18 LOL! Jul 23 03:16:21 thats what i was wondering Jul 23 03:20:22 oh just so you guys know Jul 23 03:20:42 jetblue employees get the g1 directly from tmo for 50USD Jul 23 03:20:57 so just call them and say you are a jetblue employee Jul 23 03:20:57 nice, i werk fer jetblu Jul 23 03:21:23 ha im sure thatll work Jul 23 03:21:51 if they ask for employee email just tell them you are a janitor and you never recieved anything like that Jul 23 03:23:32 Hm, when I got my corporate discount they asked for a business card with my name and company... or a recent pay stub Jul 23 03:24:11 a pay stub is none of their business. Jul 23 03:24:36 lol a janitor for a company based in the air Jul 23 03:24:39 yeh, I know. I gave a business card Jul 23 03:24:59 point was that not everybody gets/needs business cards. Jul 23 03:25:11 i have a business card Jul 23 03:25:15 I know Jul 23 03:25:27 it says Tom Bresnahan, Unemployed and has no # Jul 23 03:25:51 the point I was making is that they will want proof ;) Jul 23 03:26:02 agreed Jul 23 03:26:45 nEx, if you are calling over the phone they are not gonna ask for much Jul 23 03:26:56 dark blue is a cool show Jul 23 03:27:07 except ss#, mothers maiden name and employee id Jul 23 03:27:41 uhmm Jul 23 03:27:51 if u say ur the person, they'll ask you for ur employee password Jul 23 03:27:56 maybe Jul 23 03:28:02 thats what they did for me Jul 23 03:28:03 oh Jul 23 03:28:03 ... Jul 23 03:28:05 and last 4 of socal Jul 23 03:28:09 social Jul 23 03:28:30 http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/hot-deals/938611/ Jul 23 03:31:15 new cyanogen's is banginnnnn Jul 23 03:31:29 uh huh Jul 23 03:31:33 u can have ten home screens Jul 23 03:31:33 lol Jul 23 03:31:38 or 2 Jul 23 03:31:40 or any in between Jul 23 03:31:43 wait his newest? Jul 23 03:31:47 yeah Jul 23 03:31:49 the wheel o death Jul 23 03:31:50 ? Jul 23 03:31:52 ahha yeah Jul 23 03:31:55 it's fast and stable Jul 23 03:31:56 niice Jul 23 03:31:57 hahah Jul 23 03:31:58 so fart Jul 23 03:32:00 FAR* Jul 23 03:32:03 FART Jul 23 03:32:05 ahahahahaa Jul 23 03:32:28 cyanogen: your new rom looks awesome - just need a Magic PVT32a port! :) Jul 23 03:32:31 i try to scare people away with the thread titles but it seems to have the opposite effect Jul 23 03:32:33 dude you cant make typos like fart when im baked, im gonna wet meself :P Jul 23 03:32:52 cyanogen, kept me from trying it... im a bug magnet Jul 23 03:33:01 tell me how to build a kernel for it and i'll port it.. i think the pvt32a is in the same boat as the rogers dream, we are missing kernel code Jul 23 03:33:01 * JesusFreke sticks a spork in TommyBres Jul 23 03:33:04 yep. he's done Jul 23 03:33:07 if something in android can fail, it will for me Jul 23 03:33:17 I have trouble keeping up with all these roms... so I just use stock firmware... gasp Jul 23 03:33:24 :O Jul 23 03:33:45 cyanogen never cease's to amaze me. Jul 23 03:33:53 i need a little help Jul 23 03:33:59 i have downgraded to RC29 Jul 23 03:34:03 and when trying this mount -o rw,remount -t yaffs2 /dev/block/mtdblock3 /system Jul 23 03:34:03 he ceased amazing me when he went swimming Jul 23 03:34:04 k so what happens if i do these updates my phone sayys I have? Jul 23 03:34:07 it says i have 2 updates Jul 23 03:34:11 i get mount-o not found Jul 23 03:34:15 until then i was convinced he could walk on water Jul 23 03:34:28 im not sure what has spaces between it or not Jul 23 03:34:31 i cant tell Jul 23 03:34:51 cyanogen: yeah, rogers is a pvt32a Jul 23 03:34:56 TommyBres: if you could walk on water, would you always want to? It might be nice to take a swim for a break. Jul 23 03:35:17 so i can flash the recovery image Jul 23 03:35:23 jesusfreke i dont recall any passages in the bible where jesus swims Jul 23 03:35:27 =( Jul 23 03:35:30 anyone? Jul 23 03:35:33 i walk on water Jul 23 03:35:34 every winter Jul 23 03:35:43 nice Jul 23 03:35:55 should -o be -sdcard Jul 23 03:35:56 ? Jul 23 03:36:02 or whatever my sd is named Jul 23 03:36:22 nonversation: adb remount does exactly the same thing as the line you listed above as I understand it. Jul 23 03:36:24 ... Jul 23 03:36:35 it seems the command is not working =/ Jul 23 03:36:44 im following this http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Dream_Rooting Jul 23 03:37:02 up in here canada, we drive our trucks out on the water Jul 23 03:37:02 and cut a hole in the water and go fishin eh Jul 23 03:37:20 hahaha Jul 23 03:37:22 Type the following into Telnet (these commands will give you root access easier in the future): Jul 23 03:37:22 * mount -o rw,remount -t yaffs2 /dev/block/mtdblock3 /system Jul 23 03:37:31 you live in an igloo right? Jul 23 03:38:08 no man Jul 23 03:38:09 i live in a wigwam Jul 23 03:38:15 lol Jul 23 03:38:19 wigwam Jul 23 03:38:30 ok nevermind 4th time it worked Jul 23 03:38:33 we all live in teepees down here in Texas Jul 23 03:38:55 cyanogen: Think anytime soon you'll include either the black notification bar from hero, or the ophone one that drizzy drake ported? Jul 23 03:39:03 we all live in apartments here in nyc Jul 23 03:39:04 i have a house in jersey...thats just me though Jul 23 03:39:21 jersey blows Jul 23 03:39:30 at least it doesn't suck Jul 23 03:39:35 We all ride kangaroos to work down here ;) Jul 23 03:39:46 Radix_: giddey up! Jul 23 03:39:50 jpa--: what rom do you have now Jul 23 03:39:56 jesusfreke, youve never met a jersey girl :) Jul 23 03:40:04 !slap cyanogen Jul 23 03:40:06 JesusFreke: it's more a 'Cmon Skip!' Jul 23 03:40:08 they have quite a reputation Jul 23 03:40:13 * rTk_cool slaps cyanogen around a bit with a large trout Jul 23 03:40:14 oh cool eh is that cuz of those mexican indian guys what look like indians, talk like spaniards, and dress like texans? Jul 23 03:40:14 oh hey btw Jul 23 03:40:14 what are these OTA updates? Jul 23 03:40:14 will they work if im rooted and flashed? Jul 23 03:40:23 NO@ Jul 23 03:40:33 are you too good for your home Jul 23 03:40:35 ANSWER MEEEEEEEE Jul 23 03:40:38 bahaha Jul 23 03:41:47 ok im out, gonna smoke a little more and play poker Jul 23 03:42:15 * Radix_ is getting a "Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 12582912 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 1093 bytes) in /var/www/phpwiki/lib/InlineParser.php on line 144" when trying to fix a mistake in the XDA Sapphire Wiki and thinks it's broke. Jul 23 03:42:23 sherpa ROCKS Jul 23 03:44:47 cyanogen, hmm really? Jul 23 03:45:01 by kernel code you mean drivers right? Jul 23 03:46:18 i haven't seen a config from the pvt32a magic, but the config for the rogers dream has options enabled that aren't in any kernel Jul 23 03:46:29 i don't actually own one or i'd fire it up with a serial console and see whats going on Jul 23 03:46:38 cyanogen: Think anytime soon you'll include either the black notification bar from hero, or the ophone one that drizzy drake ported? Jul 23 03:47:06 rTk_cool: probably not, i keep the theme minimal Jul 23 03:47:35 i just hate the white notification menu Jul 23 03:47:39 so bland and boring Jul 23 03:48:01 well i want to code up some basic theme support right into the rom Jul 23 03:48:33 very basic, things like hard coded colors and icons Jul 23 03:48:36 cyanogen: main diffs seem to be the boot offset issues and wlan module from what I know of it - I don't know the specifics tho Jul 23 03:48:50 i know the boot offsets, the kernel won't boot :) Jul 23 03:49:15 who has a minute or two, turnoff your g1, power it back on and while user a timer, post how long it takes to bootup. I have simcard pwd, so i did it until it got to that screen. Mine is 73 seconds Jul 23 03:49:38 while using a timer* Jul 23 03:49:38 cyanogen: remember when window transition used to slide the screen out to the side.. Jul 23 03:49:45 whats the deal with that not happening anymore Jul 23 03:50:20 Is there a guide somewhere to setting up an android rom building setup? I have ubuntu and very familiar with linux Jul 23 03:50:49 i changed the anim files Jul 23 03:50:55 ah Jul 23 03:50:57 to have the hero effect Jul 23 03:51:07 yeah, not enjoying the hero effect ;) Jul 23 03:51:32 if i change the spare parts apk will it work or is it in the build itself Jul 23 03:51:50 it's in the build itself Jul 23 03:51:57 could easily make it a config option Jul 23 03:52:08 i dont know why but i haven't tried any other roms besides the Fatal1tys Hero Rom in quite a while Jul 23 03:52:26 err Jul 23 03:52:28 jpa--: because it rocks Jul 23 03:52:34 lol Jul 23 03:53:07 you still on it ? Jul 23 03:53:07 anyone want to test how long it takes for their phone to boot up. mine takes 73 seconds, and i would like to compare Jul 23 03:53:24 i just like the widgets.. and the thing at the bottom Jul 23 03:53:25 i think that's the sense ui ? Jul 23 03:55:00 ok last stupid question and im done Jul 23 03:55:08 G1 is rooted and I have the hard spl stuff done Jul 23 03:55:13 how to i flash CyanogenMod Jul 23 03:55:20 rom, i have it downloaded Jul 23 03:55:30 ? Jul 23 03:55:40 ask cyanogen :P Jul 23 03:55:56 =( Jul 23 03:56:09 how do you flash any rom on the G1? Jul 23 03:56:16 i assume i extract the file , put it on the sd Jul 23 03:57:13 don't make me laugh Jul 23 03:57:23 hi all Jul 23 03:57:25 extract the file Jul 23 03:57:28 name it update.zip Jul 23 03:57:30 wait Jul 23 03:57:33 whats ur radio and spl Jul 23 03:57:39 if u don't know what that means Jul 23 03:57:41 i can't help you Jul 23 03:57:51 I'm trying to measure the battery consumption for loading apps in Android Jul 23 03:57:53 i know what it means, but so far I have only rooted the phone Jul 23 03:58:11 i followed this so far http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Dream_Rooting Jul 23 03:58:14 JBQ from the google groups advised that I need a hardware for that ... can anyone please provide some information about that? Jul 23 03:58:29 so i rooted, and have the hard spl done Jul 23 03:58:32 but nothing else yet Jul 23 03:58:33 I just replied to your email :) Jul 23 03:58:56 These guys work great: http://www.monsoonsolutions.com/LabEquipment/PowerMonitor/ Jul 23 03:59:04 oh... thanks jbq :D Jul 23 03:59:17 the forum is so confusing and out of place that it makes it difficult Jul 23 03:59:32 i probably have to update the radio Jul 23 03:59:36 =( Jul 23 04:00:46 jbq, i have no experience in this stuff (i'm new to mobile/batteries...) so, if it's not too much trouble, can you please gimme one last pointer for that synchronization you mentioned ... pretty please Jul 23 04:01:00 yo jbq, wheres san, i havent seen him around lately Jul 23 04:01:07 promise I won't bother you again :D Jul 23 04:01:25 *I havent been around lately either Jul 23 04:01:35 after the G1 is rooted, what do I do next , in order to run cyanogen? Jul 23 04:02:09 recluze: one trick is to be able to match the timestamps of the monsoon with those from the log, and one trick to do that is e.g. to turn the screen on and off programmatically (and to print it to the log), because the power signature of the screen is very recognizable. Jul 23 04:02:23 * romainguy used a Monsoon yesterday, very easy to setup and use, works really well Jul 23 04:03:03 ok... gotcha. thanks. I guess it will involve a lot of statistical analysis but thanks for the help Jul 23 04:03:14 recluze: I don't have any trace to show you, but in many cases the operation you're trying to measure actually "jumps" on the curve without even matching the timestamps. Jul 23 04:03:43 if someone could tell me what to do next, i could come back and post step by step in the forum Jul 23 04:03:52 in a very clean cut, easy way Jul 23 04:04:11 (with a device using less than 5mA when idle and hundreds of mA when doing stuff, if you start with an idle device, do something, and have the device go back to idle when it's done, it's really easy to "see" the power used) Jul 23 04:05:08 hnn... but if it's doing multiple things in parallel, it's probably going to require establishing a baseline ... that should be the complicated part. Jul 23 04:05:40 where are the radios Jul 23 04:05:47 what radio do I need Jul 23 04:05:50 and how do i install it Jul 23 04:06:05 Yeah, that's what makes it a hard problem, but it's very possible to gather decent approximations for many things. Jul 23 04:06:35 Yeah, but you have to remember that I'm a newbie :D Jul 23 04:06:51 anyone? Jul 23 04:07:10 =/ Jul 23 04:07:12 e.g. you quickly learn that a dream has 7 hours of battery life with just the screen on and everything else off (no CPU, no GPU, no radios, no DSPs...) - and at that point it's clear that such a device can't possibly be used actively all day. Jul 23 04:07:35 I'll try to post a detailed method somewhere when I finally get it ... for the general public. Jul 23 04:08:08 hnn... but you're talking big measurements Jul 23 04:08:22 I'm trying to measure small stuff like loading an app (or even a single class) Jul 23 04:08:54 can anyone tell me how to flash or check the radio and then flash a rom? Jul 23 04:09:00 =/ Jul 23 04:09:15 nonversation, are you talking simply about flashing? Jul 23 04:09:26 it's very hard to measure such things precisely, as the result depends on many things. Your best hope is to just gather heavy statistics. I'll guess that it's negligible, though. Jul 23 04:09:30 you mentioned something about cyanogen...I don't understand that Jul 23 04:09:55 recluze i have rooted my G1 Jul 23 04:10:01 and done the hardspl Jul 23 04:10:11 now i understand that i need to either check or update the radio Jul 23 04:10:14 jbq, actually, I'm trying to measure the hashes of the loaded apps. And I need to calculate the overhead Jul 23 04:10:15 then select a rom Jul 23 04:10:24 and flash the custom rom Jul 23 04:10:30 you can get radio images from HTC's website Jul 23 04:10:33 so how do i check the radio or update the radio Jul 23 04:10:47 so for the G1, I need to go to the htc website and get the radio? Jul 23 04:10:54 i can give you a link Jul 23 04:10:58 ok thanks Jul 23 04:11:11 recluze.wordpress.com (if it's not appropriate to post own links) Jul 23 04:11:14 you can find the htc link there Jul 23 04:11:42 or you can search for "htc flash dev phone" or something like that to get to the htc site where they provide images along with detailed instructions Jul 23 04:12:00 but it's only for the dev phone and not for T-mobile one Jul 23 04:12:07 Someone had recently measured that zygote preloads approx 2400 classes in 12 seconds. That's 200 classes per second. Jul 23 04:12:09 how can i check my current radio? Jul 23 04:12:20 i dont use my cell with tmobile Jul 23 04:12:25 (that's on dream, BTW) Jul 23 04:12:30 im on att Jul 23 04:12:36 jbq_: Many hands make light work. Jul 23 04:12:43 I think the CPU on dream uses about 300mA (might be wrong), i.e. 4 hours of battery. Jul 23 04:12:45 jbq_: re: gerrit and issues :) Jul 23 04:13:09 jbq_ but my measurements will take some overhead and that 200 c/s will probably go down Jul 23 04:13:24 I need to measure exactly how much ... it's not just academic either Jul 23 04:13:44 Now that Adium has Twitter connectivity, I can blithely cross boundaries. Jul 23 04:13:49 the measurements are actually perceptible... so, I need a hard value so that I can target a lower one for optimization Jul 23 04:14:39 if you assume that you're CPU-bound and that the CPU draws constant power (which isn't actually unreasonable), time is a good enough approximation. Jul 23 04:15:11 recluze what radio do i need, should i use this for 1.5 cupcake? ota-radio-1_22_14_11.zip Jul 23 04:16:28 no Jul 23 04:16:29 Anyway, based on the zygote numbers, I'd say that there's enough battery to load 2 to 3 million classes. Jul 23 04:16:33 thats an old on Jul 23 04:16:34 e Jul 23 04:16:36 i am clueless. how can i determine the remaining space on my sd card? especially the external one? Jul 23 04:16:57 nonversation use this one http://www.getyourdroidon.com/root/ota-radio-2_22_19_26I.zip Jul 23 04:17:32 yes nonversation 1.5 radio image worked for my adp1 Jul 23 04:17:52 1_22_14_11 is OLD Jul 23 04:17:53 ok noonehereyet, so I download this, rename update.zip, hold home and restart, then flash this Jul 23 04:17:58 jbq_, yeah, i should probably go with time Jul 23 04:18:05 nonversation thats correct Jul 23 04:18:10 coz i'm not using the wireless etc. Jul 23 04:18:15 then, download the rom of my choice, rename update.zip, put it on the sd, and use cambutton + restart Jul 23 04:18:17 and flash my rom Jul 23 04:18:28 so, the battery consumption should be proportional to time Jul 23 04:18:31 http://www.getyourdroidon.com/wiki/index.php5?title=How_to_Root_your_G1 Jul 23 04:18:40 Yeah. power measurements are more relevant/necessary when you start to fine-tune e.g. radio parameters. Jul 23 04:18:44 nonversation, read the instructions _very_carefully Jul 23 04:18:59 install the radio first Jul 23 04:19:00 but for CPU-bound tasks time is good enough if you want to measure the effect of optimizations. Jul 23 04:19:02 ALWAYS Jul 23 04:19:54 ok then ... thanks again for the tips and discussion Jul 23 04:19:59 no prob Jul 23 04:30:49 ok i have yet to update the radio Jul 23 04:31:05 because im trying to sign my google account so i can mount the sd on my phone and drop the radio over Jul 23 04:31:11 but, i have lost edge service Jul 23 04:31:14 =/ Jul 23 04:32:56 brb Jul 23 04:33:42 nevermind fixed it Jul 23 04:33:55 wb Jul 23 04:36:03 k Jul 23 04:39:41 best weather widget? Jul 23 04:39:46 which Jul 23 04:40:53 js Jul 23 04:41:02 the dev is jimstar Jul 23 04:41:11 orr jeffsharkey Jul 23 04:42:33 rtk_cool you listen? Jul 23 04:42:39 yeah thats the one i normally use Jul 23 04:42:43 ah k Jul 23 04:42:47 but i had a skinnable one the other day i kinda liked that one Jul 23 04:44:17 http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://betterandroid.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/screenshot1243552271263.png&imgrefurl=http://betterandroid.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/open-home-2-0-now-in-market/&usg=__GFWhmcQN_PKDePZ7IQXYsUpsRcw=&h=455&w=320&sz=240&hl=en&start=11&um=1&tbnid=XAploIPrzD53fM:&tbnh=128&tbnw=90&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbest%2Bweather%2Bwidget%2Bandroid%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1 Jul 23 04:44:30 ok my last time Jul 23 04:44:31 that has both of the widgets Jul 23 04:44:34 i have the radio updated Jul 23 04:44:37 ok Jul 23 04:44:38 how do i install the rom Jul 23 04:44:38 spl update Jul 23 04:44:42 SPL NEXT Jul 23 04:44:47 haykuro's special Jul 23 04:44:56 google.com type haykuro google Jul 23 04:45:03 look for a google one that has the files Jul 23 04:45:06 download spl Jul 23 04:45:10 to sd Jul 23 04:45:13 flash it Jul 23 04:45:14 then Jul 23 04:45:19 ur ready for a rom Jul 23 04:45:44 so i have rooted the phone, done the hard spl, updated the radio Jul 23 04:45:50 am i ready for the rom? Jul 23 04:46:05 not had spl Jul 23 04:46:07 haykuro's spl Jul 23 04:46:08 please read Jul 23 04:46:26 http://code.google.com/p/sapphire-port-dream/downloads/list Jul 23 04:46:30 spl-signed Jul 23 04:46:31 that one Jul 23 04:46:49 so i need to flash this now Jul 23 04:46:53 rename as update.zip Jul 23 04:46:57 yes Jul 23 04:47:01 and use the home+ hangup Jul 23 04:47:04 to flash? Jul 23 04:47:18 not the cam+hangup Jul 23 04:47:24 right? Jul 23 04:48:41 thanks for your help, once that is done Jul 23 04:48:43 then what Jul 23 04:52:29 ok now I have that SPL on my phone Jul 23 04:53:01 so what do I do for the rom now? Jul 23 04:54:41 after that, its stuck on the G1 screen Jul 23 04:55:26 ??? Jul 23 04:56:02 i flashed that spl using the home + hangup key Jul 23 04:56:05 it rebooted Jul 23 04:56:10 and is now stuck on the G1 screen Jul 23 04:56:51 =/ Jul 23 04:57:55 after the spl was flashed what should happen? Jul 23 04:57:58 its froze I think Jul 23 04:58:06 i have pulled the battery and restarted, froze still Jul 23 04:58:36 Sorry, I know very little about the G1 Jul 23 04:58:45 =( Jul 23 04:59:58 hey Jul 23 05:00:00 i got you Jul 23 05:00:11 get the cyanogen rom on ur sd card Jul 23 05:00:20 i cant Jul 23 05:00:23 the phone is froze Jul 23 05:00:34 u dont have a usb adapter do you Jul 23 05:00:43 microsd-usb adapter Jul 23 05:00:46 nope Jul 23 05:00:48 cable only Jul 23 05:00:49 ha Jul 23 05:00:53 sorry im embarrassed Jul 23 05:00:58 u live near a walmart? Jul 23 05:01:03 =( Jul 23 05:01:09 do you Jul 23 05:01:09 why is this supposed to happen? Jul 23 05:01:13 no i dont Jul 23 05:01:18 r u serious Jul 23 05:01:25 i live quite far from much of anything Jul 23 05:01:32 ouch Jul 23 05:01:35 im a dickhead Jul 23 05:01:46 i forgot to tell you that u need a usb adapter Jul 23 05:01:56 ive been in ur position Jul 23 05:02:08 im very sorry for doing that, i wasn't sure that the spl would lock the phone up Jul 23 05:02:12 but.. Jul 23 05:02:24 if u go to a walmart and buy a microsd adapter for like 12 bucks ur all good Jul 23 05:02:30 or Jul 23 05:02:32 if u have a camera Jul 23 05:02:39 that uses microsd Jul 23 05:02:46 i have nothing that uses micro sd Jul 23 05:02:49 or any other phone that has usb, but it has to have the end that fits into ur phone Jul 23 05:02:59 u hate me Jul 23 05:03:12 its not your fault, its my own fault for trying this Jul 23 05:03:16 no Jul 23 05:03:19 it's nobodys fault Jul 23 05:03:23 drive to walmart tomorrow Jul 23 05:03:26 ur phone isn't broken Jul 23 05:03:27 with a huge lack of step by step instructions, its difficult Jul 23 05:03:29 just unusable right now Jul 23 05:03:39 so lets say i can get microsd access Jul 23 05:03:42 i will take the rom Jul 23 05:03:47 rename it to update.zip? Jul 23 05:03:49 place it onto the sd card Jul 23 05:03:49 yes Jul 23 05:03:51 and ur good Jul 23 05:03:57 and then flash by holding the cam and hang up button Jul 23 05:04:03 what Jul 23 05:04:09 u mean home and hangup Jul 23 05:04:21 ok home and hangup Jul 23 05:04:25 yes Jul 23 05:04:27 then alt-w Jul 23 05:04:30 alt-s Jul 23 05:04:40 ok got ya Jul 23 05:04:40 if u lived in jersey i'd give you mine Jul 23 05:04:54 haha thanks, now, to think of a work around for the microsd humm Jul 23 05:05:00 i have no adapter for the stupid thing, i think Jul 23 05:05:15 any phone or camera with microsd Jul 23 05:05:26 uhmm, i doubt you'd have an adapter unless u have one in ur tower Jul 23 05:05:29 i have cameras, but they arent microsd Jul 23 05:05:44 my laptop card reader isnt micro sd Jul 23 05:05:47 hmm, old phone? Jul 23 05:05:49 brb Jul 23 05:05:50 anyone with a blackberry? Jul 23 05:05:52 will check Jul 23 05:05:59 blackberrys work Jul 23 05:06:02 i used my brothers before Jul 23 05:06:36 nonversation, do you not have a microsd->sd adapter? Jul 23 05:06:43 most microsds come with one usually Jul 23 05:06:50 the g1 doesn't Jul 23 05:07:06 oh wait, nonversation do u have a class6? Jul 23 05:07:13 mine came with an adapter Jul 23 05:07:19 yeah what he said Jul 23 05:07:19 haha Jul 23 05:07:54 ok i have nothing Jul 23 05:08:03 any friends with a blackberry? Jul 23 05:08:03 lets say if i wanted to revert back to normal, is it possible? Jul 23 05:08:06 nope Jul 23 05:08:19 nobody at ur house has a phone with a microsd Jul 23 05:08:34 nope , its the only phone in my house hold Jul 23 05:08:35 no u need the adapter. Jul 23 05:08:43 im real sorry man Jul 23 05:09:24 its ok, i will have to buy something at the store, probably tomorrow, its a little drive, if i can find one Jul 23 05:09:36 they're def at any walmart Jul 23 05:09:39 best buy Jul 23 05:09:40 but if i do, and i fix the phone Jul 23 05:09:40 any of them Jul 23 05:09:49 u wont ever have a problem again Jul 23 05:09:51 am i stuck with that rom forever Jul 23 05:09:54 no Jul 23 05:09:56 if i ever want to go back? Jul 23 05:10:00 sure Jul 23 05:10:01 but u wont Jul 23 05:10:04 cause it's faster and better Jul 23 05:10:10 nice Jul 23 05:10:22 specially the (scary) on on xda by cyanogen Jul 23 05:10:41 it's not scary unless u dont have a sdcard adapter and ur flashing a rom for ur first time Jul 23 05:10:43 :-/ Jul 23 05:10:50 it's really nice and really fast though Jul 23 05:10:51 what about android updates, do they affect the phone? Jul 23 05:11:00 u wont get them with root Jul 23 05:11:17 but ur ahead of the updates if ur flashing roms Jul 23 05:11:25 ahh, ok Jul 23 05:11:38 do u have the stock sdcard Jul 23 05:12:21 nope Jul 23 05:12:27 its the only microsd i have Jul 23 05:12:39 if u have money i'd recommend buying a 2gb 4gb or 8gb micro sd card that is a class6 for ur phone, the new roms all put ur apps on ur sd card and it will make ur phone run even faster. 8gb's are like 25 4gb might be round 20 and 2gb like 15 Jul 23 05:12:54 my micro sd I have in it is 8gb class 6 Jul 23 05:13:22 but i sold my old nokia E71 , and put the 1gb micro sd with it Jul 23 05:13:33 oh haha Jul 23 05:13:35 thats slick Jul 23 05:13:39 uhmm Jul 23 05:13:48 if u want you can partition ur sd card while you wait until tomorrow Jul 23 05:13:55 im gonna pm you okay? Jul 23 05:13:58 last I checked 8 GB type 6 cards were under $15 Jul 23 05:14:02 sure thing Jul 23 05:14:09 well im sorry Jul 23 05:14:13 i have the 8gb class 6 already Jul 23 05:14:17 so I should be ready Jul 23 05:14:23 yeah Jul 23 05:14:52 nonversation i pmed you Jul 23 05:35:30 hi all anyone know how to remove the system update messages from the jf 1.5 build ? Jul 23 05:37:20 anyone Jul 23 05:37:20 lol Jul 23 05:40:01 Refuge: http://jf.andblogs.net/2009/07/19/otas-in-jfv1-51/ Jul 23 05:40:22 ty Jul 23 05:42:00 ive not got an ota popup Jul 23 05:42:20 is the galaxy google branded? Jul 23 05:42:53 jf when will you relase the new build ? Jul 23 05:43:40 http://www.cyrket.com/package/com.bigtincan.android.adfree Jul 23 05:43:50 where is the download link Jul 23 05:50:44 twois10 - there isn't Jul 23 05:51:00 Use a barcode scanner app on your phone to read the little dot matrix to the left of the name Jul 23 05:51:04 lmao Jul 23 05:51:41 the barcode wont pick it up Jul 23 05:51:50 adfree work well? Jul 23 05:51:57 Turn it 90degrees Jul 23 05:52:08 i turned 96 degrees Jul 23 05:52:18 picked it up here Jul 23 05:52:46 turn my monitor 90 degrees, or my hand Jul 23 05:54:37 EugeneKay: still not working, i turned my monitor 90 degrees Jul 23 05:58:09 i even took the Sin of 90 degree and squared the distance proportionally to result of the angle relative to the shape Jul 23 05:58:15 EugeneKay: help me Jul 23 05:58:29 k Jul 23 05:58:32 you fail Jul 23 05:59:10 i want a kangaroo Jul 23 05:59:52 TommyBres: EugeneKay was trying to help me read the icon of a website (adfree) so i can download it Jul 23 06:00:16 lol Jul 23 06:00:18 GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKING WANKERCUNT SHITBAGS ON A STICK WHAT IN THE SHIT HELL PISSANT DO YOU SUNS OF BITCHES WANT FROM ME Jul 23 06:00:25 <_Auron_> huh Jul 23 06:00:40 thats the effect of crack Jul 23 06:01:06 EugeneKay: you were helping me Jul 23 06:01:13 anymore suggestions? Jul 23 06:01:57 why is the sun a bitch? what it do to you besides provide light, heat and energy? Jul 23 06:02:22 wickednix: wrong Jul 23 06:03:11 Scientist have proved that the Sun is actually so cold that it draws energy, and that energy creates an effect of heat Jul 23 06:03:11 uh Jul 23 06:03:54 this is coming out in the next science and noture article next month Jul 23 06:04:27 uhhh Jul 23 06:04:41 let me find the article Jul 23 06:04:58 yeah you better Jul 23 06:05:07 i will give you a link to the article when it comes out next month Jul 23 06:05:40 lol Jul 23 06:05:45 ololololo Jul 23 06:06:10 twois10: cant get barcode reader to read the barcode on the site Jul 23 06:06:11 twis10, but why is he calling the sun a bitch. It hasn't done anything wrong, unless he has skin cancer caused by the sun? Jul 23 06:06:12 ? Jul 23 06:06:42 here is the link: http://tinyurl.com/3ybguf Jul 23 06:07:10 lmao Jul 23 06:07:48 what is it Jul 23 06:08:23 so it is settled, i have provided the link Jul 23 06:08:33 whats the link Jul 23 06:08:53 the link to the article, above Jul 23 06:09:06 where does it actually go Jul 23 06:09:16 very good article but it does have some flaws Jul 23 06:09:39 wickednix: have read, and he is entitle to his opinion, but i support the facts Jul 23 06:09:52 http://preview.tinyurl.com/3ybguf Jul 23 06:09:57 dually noted Jul 23 06:10:51 lol i owned you Jul 23 06:11:06 yeah sure Jul 23 06:11:08 i thought it was meatspin or somethin Jul 23 06:11:18 thats why i didnt just click it Jul 23 06:11:30 but did you read the article? Jul 23 06:11:53 no, just saw where the link went Jul 23 06:12:24 you wanted the article and now you wont read it, lol Jul 23 06:12:43 here is the link again: http://tinyurl.com/3ybguf Jul 23 06:13:06 tard, its not gonna work Jul 23 06:13:21 just put "preview." in front of any tinyurl Jul 23 06:13:27 make sure you click refresh for to see the next article Jul 23 06:13:30 and you prevent being owned Jul 23 06:14:52 its ok to click btw Jul 23 06:15:48 i know where it goes... Jul 23 06:15:57 why does everyone act like i dont Jul 23 06:18:49 can you put android on a blackberry Jul 23 06:19:11 no Jul 23 06:28:39 why is google refusing to give us turn-by-turn Jul 23 06:29:30 wtf are you talking about Jul 23 06:29:40 copilot gps is awesome turn by turn Jul 23 06:29:54 wtf are you talking about Jul 23 06:30:03 copilot is not google Jul 23 06:30:16 why would google give you free satnav Jul 23 06:30:33 well, they gave it to windows mobile users Jul 23 06:30:44 windows live maps has turn by turn Jul 23 06:31:02 so what was your question? Jul 23 06:31:54 umm windows live maps didnt have gps based turn by turn, youd have to hit next to get the next direction Jul 23 06:33:02 TommyBres: you are speaking bologna, my previous phone was tmobile dash. both the live maps by microsoft and google maps had turn by turn Jul 23 06:33:32 where you had to hit next to get the directions Jul 23 06:33:41 on my raphael thats all it had Jul 23 06:33:57 no, you dont have to hit next, do you know what turn by turn is? Jul 23 06:34:10 bull shit Jul 23 06:34:36 even the listed feature tells you that Jul 23 06:36:11 what's wrong with hitting next? Jul 23 06:36:18 http://www.discoverbing.com/mobile/ Jul 23 06:37:26 am not speaking based on the features listed, but rather from experince as my last phone was the tmobile Dash. live maps has turn by turn and has had it since its inception Jul 23 06:37:53 live maps != google maps Jul 23 06:38:09 * twois10 sighs Jul 23 06:39:03 some states do not allow you to hit the next button while driving Jul 23 06:39:51 <_Auron_> lol. Jul 23 06:40:07 I remember using google maps on my tmobile dash, where if you missed a turn, it ask to reroute from here. it had turn by turn as does live map ( now bing or something) Jul 23 06:40:43 they also don't let you read the directions. so you want voice turn by turn? Jul 23 06:41:08 I dont need voice. Jul 23 06:41:22 just a beep will do Jul 23 06:41:56 a beep with an arrow pointting the way you need to turn Jul 23 06:42:40 twois10: http://xkcd.com/407/ Jul 23 06:42:47 why not just not miss the turn? then there is no need to reroute Jul 23 06:43:30 nEx: you can decide to take different routes, stop and a gas station...many reasons Jul 23 06:44:07 Also, not all addresses are clearly marked and you sometimes passs them up Jul 23 06:44:40 plan your trip ;) if you decide to make a change you do the reroute. its not really that hard Jul 23 06:45:05 i might as well print the maps/direction of mapquest. if they wont give us turn by turn Jul 23 06:45:27 I've never had gps before and have always found my way Jul 23 06:45:43 nEx: people also survived without computers Jul 23 06:46:19 they sure did Jul 23 06:47:55 its not like google is keeping you from reroutinf, you just need to not be a drone an think about where you are going. Jul 23 06:50:16 nEx: when you type papers, do you use a computer or a typewriter? Jul 23 06:50:48 they both do the same thing... Jul 23 06:51:21 a computer, of course... sometimes evem my phone Jul 23 06:52:02 then you of course know my next question Jul 23 06:54:43 what's your next question? Jul 23 06:56:00 nm Jul 23 06:56:37 anyways, google need to step up. gives us turn-by-turn and the phone will be complete Jul 23 06:57:34 they don't license their maps for turn by turn Jul 23 06:58:25 woo Jul 23 06:58:37 copilot ftw Jul 23 06:58:51 ??? Jul 23 06:58:57 if you don't like it you could always keep your dash handy Jul 23 06:59:22 or just get telenav Jul 23 06:59:47 that too Jul 23 07:00:11 hm Jul 23 07:00:20 aakashpatel isn't around :-\ Jul 23 07:00:24 I'm off... good chatting with y'all Jul 23 07:00:33 bye nEx Jul 23 07:00:36 My G1 has a hard time locking on a signal in a moving vehicle Jul 23 07:00:42 anyone here who's built a kernel for dream/magic/etc? Jul 23 07:00:52 telenav: $9.99/mo if you choose to continue Jul 23 07:01:29 yeah Jul 23 07:01:35 that's too bad Spyrorocks Jul 23 07:01:51 copilot: $35 once Jul 23 07:01:52 I've got as far as creating the local_manifest.xml file and it's producing errors when I try to repo sync after doing that - any pointers in the right direction? Jul 23 07:03:20 when i got my g1 in december, i almost returned due to lack of turn by turn. Jul 23 07:04:27 well, there were a couple other reason, no video recorder,,and one other app Jul 23 07:04:50 camcorder is overrated Jul 23 07:05:09 ^ Jul 23 07:05:10 nope, always on when am driving Jul 23 07:05:15 none of the top smartphones have camcorders worth recording video with Jul 23 07:05:16 waze does free turn-by-turn Jul 23 07:05:33 the camera itself sucks Jul 23 07:05:50 iphone 3gs takes ok video Jul 23 07:06:04 not compared to any decent camcorder Jul 23 07:06:13 phone cameras are ages behind Jul 23 07:06:15 don't compare to iphone Jul 23 07:06:25 am really not in any mood to hear iThis or iThat Jul 23 07:06:45 lol twois10 Jul 23 07:07:56 people will buy iGonorrhea if you put it out there Jul 23 07:08:15 id buy it and give it to your imom Jul 23 07:09:29 yeah iBetterNotToTalkBoutIt Jul 23 07:09:37 lol Jul 23 07:10:04 well, glad the other version of android now has sync with many other apps Jul 23 07:10:35 its a new OS and has come a long way so got to give em credit Jul 23 07:10:54 u r right, twois10 Jul 23 07:13:11 Uupss... my dog is pissing my iPhone Jul 23 07:13:18 i really would like to know how long in seconds it takes your phone to boot, mine take between 72-75 seconds Jul 23 07:14:08 that's quite long. i think it should be within 30 seconds Jul 23 07:15:27 how often do you reboot your phone? Jul 23 07:16:26 still does not answer the curiosity Jul 23 07:25:03 <_yoyo> use repo init and repo sync to get android source, git branch show no branch Jul 23 07:31:10 <_yoyo> if git branch new-branch and git checkout new-branch, then git branch, the * (no branch) disappears Jul 23 07:33:01 <_yoyo> how to switch to original * (no branch)? Jul 23 08:50:20 whoops Jul 23 08:50:26 that is all I can say Jul 23 08:50:41 there is a chance that I wrote a line of nonsense on the bottom of the su app Jul 23 09:01:58 k Jul 23 09:04:40 guys... Jul 23 09:04:45 I have this in my init.rc: Jul 23 09:04:46 import /data/init.rc Jul 23 09:04:46 trigger data Jul 23 09:05:10 Can I use this to make an /data/init.rc to change my cpu scaling freq? Jul 23 09:06:51 Yes or no? Jul 23 09:06:59 uh wut Jul 23 09:07:08 I want to run some commands on init. Jul 23 09:07:25 write /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq 384000 Jul 23 09:07:26 etc. Jul 23 09:07:54 inside my /init.rc, I have an import statement for /data/init.tc Jul 23 09:07:57 *init.rc Jul 23 09:08:03 But I'm not 100% sure how that works. Jul 23 09:08:30 what interprets that .rc file? a shell? Jul 23 09:08:57 JesusFreke, you there? Jul 23 09:12:27 mmm... lemme just chmod that init.rc I made to 0777 Jul 23 09:14:10 damn, still not working. ;/ Jul 23 09:17:30 anyone porting android to an htc device here? Jul 23 09:17:57 or any mobile as such? Jul 23 09:18:21 :( Jul 23 09:22:21 k_shaurya, I'm stuck just trying to compile a kernel. ;P Jul 23 09:23:32 ah Jul 23 09:23:33 :) Jul 23 09:23:41 which deveice are you using? Jul 23 09:23:47 *device Jul 23 09:23:51 do you think this is a good class 6 card to get http://www.amazon.co.uk/SANDISK-MOBILE-MICRO-ULTRA-CLASS/dp/B001U2EQF2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1248340936&sr=8-1 Jul 23 09:24:33 if you are on HTC, I might help Jul 23 09:26:57 I have an HTC Magic Jul 23 09:28:15 so doesnt the HTC magic already have a working port? Jul 23 09:29:02 or rather, doesnt it already have the android? Jul 23 09:29:22 Sweet, I fixed my init.rc Jul 23 09:29:42 k_shaurya, it is running android yes... but there are some problems with the kernels out there for my board. Jul 23 09:29:51 No iptables and netfilter support. Jul 23 09:29:55 No tethering. ;/ Jul 23 09:30:04 let me get this clear - didnt the magic ship with android? Jul 23 09:30:09 It does, yes. Jul 23 09:30:21 hmmm Jul 23 09:31:03 I just want to compile a new kernel with iptables and netfilter support, that is all. Jul 23 09:31:25 ah ok Jul 23 09:31:35 outta my line though ;) Jul 23 09:32:25 all the best! Jul 23 09:33:47 ;/ Jul 23 09:34:45 see ya! Jul 23 09:37:46 ace, restoring a nandroid backup is a piece of piss :) Jul 23 09:37:55 yeah. Jul 23 09:38:03 hello Jul 23 09:38:24 rooting this phone was the best thing I've done ;) Jul 23 09:38:28 lots of fun Jul 23 09:38:37 yesterday someone posted a link about a video on YT with an enhanced desktop Jul 23 09:38:50 does rooting the phone for wifi affect the phone? Jul 23 09:38:51 does someone remember what it was or could be? Jul 23 09:40:01 smartfish, you mean so you can tether? Jul 23 09:40:18 rooting doesn't seem to affect the phone in any way Jul 23 09:40:31 you just get some added firmware level functionality Jul 23 09:40:40 and the access to modify the system, of course Jul 23 09:40:55 And it gains sentience and takes over your brain Jul 23 09:41:16 oh yeah, and that Jul 23 09:42:02 ok.. i am afraid to root the phone for wpa2 enterprise settings Jul 23 09:43:32 hm Jul 23 09:43:42 is it not worth it though, to get on wifi? Jul 23 09:44:30 yes Jul 23 09:44:32 :) Jul 23 09:44:41 lets c ill try Jul 23 09:46:08 you got the Magic? Jul 23 09:46:25 what Magic? Jul 23 09:46:39 LOL, you know, Harry Potter style Jul 23 09:46:44 I mean the handset ;) Jul 23 09:46:48 what phone are you using Jul 23 09:47:08 g1 Jul 23 09:47:10 lmao harry potter Jul 23 09:47:42 :) Jul 23 09:48:34 hehe Jul 23 09:48:36 okay Jul 23 09:48:44 Has anyone rooted the Hero yet? Jul 23 09:49:29 in the /data/data//databases i have one database.. i does not show the extension of that file .. i dont know whether it is .db or other Jul 23 09:49:31 don't think so Jul 23 09:50:00 IanPM: if you havn't noticed most of the devs are north american and hero just got released in europe Jul 23 09:51:06 IanPM: is there anyone who even *has* a hero? Jul 23 09:54:06 sipa1024: good point Jul 23 09:54:52 i don't even see a major need for the need of rooting it... 1) tethering will mostly not work because of the kernel 2) you already have a crazy rom so who cares Jul 23 09:54:53 stupid belgium... apparently when the hero becomes available here, it will be without youtube app... Jul 23 09:55:04 sipa1024: why lol? Jul 23 09:55:14 no idea, some regulation Jul 23 09:55:54 the magic is available here, without youtube app Jul 23 09:56:32 gah Jul 23 09:56:40 Magic now been collected to go back to HTC Jul 23 09:56:43 FML Jul 23 09:56:47 I'm sans Android Jul 23 09:56:53 LOL, yes! FML Jul 23 09:57:13 IanPM: hmm? Jul 23 09:57:43 sipa1024: you could easly get youtube on magic Jul 23 09:58:31 how so? Jul 23 09:58:49 install a youtube app from somewhere? Jul 23 09:59:19 you could try pushing the YouTube.apk but that might not work because it might have some framework files.. if that doesnt work just flash a diffeent rom Jul 23 09:59:33 is there anyone who could provide me with exemplary trace file? i would like to try out the trace viewer (because of a genuine interest in trace analysis) - the examples don't look complex enough to really make use of it :o Jul 23 09:59:35 it might need framework file* Jul 23 09:59:56 sss Jul 23 10:00:43 hehe Jul 23 10:01:13 does the YouTube app not come on all Anbdroid phones? Jul 23 10:01:26 IanPM: nope, not those sold in belgium :) Jul 23 10:01:55 k4r1m: however, nothing prevents me from buying a phone somewhere else ;) Jul 23 10:03:52 sipa1024: make sure u get a google branded android phone... htc branded phones like the magic 32a might seem better because it has more ram but in the long run you will actually be disappointed cuz of the stupid freaking kernel Jul 23 10:04:53 k4r1m: what's wrong with its kernel? Jul 23 10:04:59 you can ROM them though Jul 23 10:05:12 HTC do a cutomised version of Android Jul 23 10:05:27 although the Hero has YouTube and Gmail apps included Jul 23 10:05:38 so you could use that ROM on a de-branded Magic Jul 23 10:05:46 which has the same RAM, so will work in the same way Jul 23 10:06:16 going to wait till the hero becomes available anyway Jul 23 10:06:31 the Hero is excellent Jul 23 10:06:37 had a lot of fin with that phone Jul 23 10:06:45 someone know how to change the first splashscreen when i boot up the phone? Jul 23 10:07:03 i have an ugly brand logo and i would like to replace it if possible Jul 23 10:07:08 IanPM: you've actually seen one? like irl? Jul 23 10:07:08 Bluespuke, you have to flash a special 565 raw image to that sector of ROM. Jul 23 10:07:19 It's not simply changing a file on a filesystem. Jul 23 10:07:26 :( Jul 23 10:07:26 And once you flash it, that image is gone for good. Jul 23 10:07:34 So it's safer just to leave it. Jul 23 10:07:34 Yeah sipa1024, we had one in for review Jul 23 10:08:06 Kinnoken, it's a shame you can switch the boot to see the process Jul 23 10:08:12 like with proper linux Jul 23 10:09:20 Bluespuke: there is a thread on the forums some where with special tools very easy just did it earlier Jul 23 10:09:42 i found something about fastboot Jul 23 10:10:04 sipa1024: its a custom kernel that we dont have the source code too and we can't get a different kernel working or even making a fresh kernel from source working Jul 23 10:10:23 and ofcourse this has disadvantages Jul 23 10:10:32 understandable Jul 23 10:10:38 but htc sense looks nice... Jul 23 10:10:40 like ext4 support, iptables( tethering) and a bunch of other stuff Jul 23 10:11:03 htc kernel does not support tethering at all? Jul 23 10:11:18 no, you have to hack for tethering Jul 23 10:11:28 nope for the magic atleast im not 100% certain for tehering Jul 23 10:11:35 sipa1024, HTC Magic 32A kernel doesn't support tethering. ;/ Jul 23 10:11:36 IanPM: hack? what are you talking about? Jul 23 10:11:50 rooting Jul 23 10:12:01 even with rooting you wont get it Jul 23 10:12:01 k4r1m, have you tried to build kernels for the 32A Magic? Jul 23 10:12:11 IanPM: it's a lack of kernel modules - not root access ;) Jul 23 10:12:11 Kinnoken: no but i read about it lol Jul 23 10:12:12 really? Jul 23 10:12:15 ;/ Jul 23 10:12:30 Kinnoken: i was bored and i phoned up htc today... bunch of morons. Jul 23 10:12:36 I though there were apps for tether that worked once the phone was rooted Jul 23 10:12:38 Not necessarily kernel modules, but either it has to be built into the kernels or have modules made of it. Jul 23 10:12:41 took me like 10 mins to explain what a kernel is. Jul 23 10:12:46 ;/ Jul 23 10:12:52 k4r1m, can you not ask for the techies? Jul 23 10:13:20 Check it out: Jul 23 10:13:21 Technical Support Jul 23 10:13:22 Good day to you, I am trying to build a kernel for the android platform that supports your HTC Magic 32A (288MB of RAM). Unfortunately, I cannot find the kernel patches for this platform, could you please supply a kernel configuration and the patches? Jul 23 10:13:23 Kinnoken: I'm trying to compile android now.. got a dev box with everything and repo sync'ed/compiled android arm, but need to work out how the vendor/htc manifest stuff works Jul 23 10:13:31 i did ask for techies and when they gave me a tech i asked for their supervisor Jul 23 10:13:34 here is the response: Jul 23 10:13:35 Good Day Jul 23 10:13:36 Thank you for contacting HTC Support. Jul 23 10:13:36 You need to download the entire SDK Application. Jul 23 10:13:36 Kind Regards Jul 23 10:13:36 HTC Support Jul 23 10:13:43 lol Jul 23 10:13:46 hahaha Jul 23 10:13:51 hahahahah Jul 23 10:14:01 Kinnoken: you wanna get it that bad? Jul 23 10:14:05 I was :sadface: Jul 23 10:14:21 Radix_, is that just on certain phones, or is it all HTC Android handsets? Jul 23 10:14:25 i don't have the guts but go ahead and include GPLv2 in your email and just treating them. Jul 23 10:14:38 And if so, what are all the apps about that mention tethering? Jul 23 10:14:45 they will give you the kernel alright... Jul 23 10:14:53 IanPM: so far the kernel source code has been made available for the Dream/G1 - but not for Magic yet Jul 23 10:14:54 IanPM, Google has supplied their ION handsets, which are the HTC Magic 32B... Jul 23 10:15:01 Those kernels have netfilter and iptables support. Jul 23 10:15:20 ah, so no kernel support on the 32A? Jul 23 10:15:31 Not really. ;/ Jul 23 10:15:33 no way to built a kernel for the 32A yet no Jul 23 10:15:33 so putting another ROM on won't help with that? Jul 23 10:15:56 Kinnoken: i don't understand how come we can't make a new fresh kernel though, or even do kernel uncompiling to get be able to apply some patchs if thats evne possible lol Jul 23 10:16:03 IanPM: nope Jul 23 10:16:14 k4r1m, I am trying... but I am stumbling in the dark here... Jul 23 10:16:22 hehe Jul 23 10:16:24 The docs for building the android source aren't helping much. Jul 23 10:16:28 hmm Jul 23 10:16:42 Kinnoken: what could of code does it involve c? Jul 23 10:16:46 It's a shame there is no option to just put the Google version of Android on the phones Jul 23 10:16:55 i wanna help just dont know if i can or not Jul 23 10:17:06 IanPM: it's the hardware Jul 23 10:17:10 k4r1m, I am a bit of a noob when it comes to compiling android. ;/ Jul 23 10:17:16 the only reason there is a custom kernel cuz of the hardware Jul 23 10:17:18 Oh.. looks like my stock arm android kernel has built Jul 23 10:17:20 I feel like a blind man. Jul 23 10:17:39 Radix_: wut? Jul 23 10:17:47 Kinnoken: could you even figure out how to target the dream? Jul 23 10:17:58 the local_manifest.xml instructions didn't work at all for me Jul 23 10:18:02 Yeah, I saw some posts on that. ;/ Jul 23 10:18:16 Oh yeah, that didn't quite work for me either. Jul 23 10:18:21 I suspect it's old info. Jul 23 10:18:23 hm whats his name ctate was talking about earlier in here Jul 23 10:18:27 I'm confused about this hardware thing. Surely tethering is a software issue. Although this explains why I couldn't get it to work Jul 23 10:18:33 k4r1m: I went through the basic stuff today.. I've built android for arm, but not targeted the actual Dream platform yet as the instructions dont' work Jul 23 10:18:40 IanPM, the kernel interfaces the software with the hardware. Jul 23 10:18:55 Radix_, perhaps you can explain to me some things in pvt? Jul 23 10:18:58 yeah, but what's the hardware requirement for tether? Jul 23 10:19:08 It's a kernel requirement. Jul 23 10:19:10 Kinnoken: lol.. I doubt it.. I've done very little so far Jul 23 10:19:15 Probably more than me. Jul 23 10:19:18 Seriously. Jul 23 10:19:18 IanPM: because the hero and magic 32a have different hardware than g1 and 32b magic such as the ram chipset and qualcom cpu Jul 23 10:19:26 IanPM: you need the iptables/netfilter kernel module compiled into the kernel Jul 23 10:19:44 there has to be a pay to just patch it Jul 23 10:19:51 Kinnoken: so far all i've done is http://source.android.com/download Jul 23 10:20:03 But you built android for arm, right? Jul 23 10:20:05 and run make Jul 23 10:20:11 default target is arm Jul 23 10:20:26 Erm, my default target was x86? Jul 23 10:21:04 God, it's so disapointing that you can't even get tether via rooting Jul 23 10:21:15 my build environment was x86, target environment is arm Jul 23 10:21:17 colour me disapointed Jul 23 10:21:18 Kinnoken: pretty sure it should be arm Jul 23 10:21:27 IanPM: be patient and it'll happen Jul 23 10:21:32 hehe Jul 23 10:21:39 but it's MAJOR work, right? Jul 23 10:21:53 IanPM: althought u can get usb tether somehow but its a lot of working...it involves installed a client and a host app Jul 23 10:21:56 IanPM: until then, use a non-root method for tethering, like AziLink or the like Jul 23 10:22:08 yup thats the method Azilink Jul 23 10:22:17 ahh Jul 23 10:22:25 and that doesn't need root? Jul 23 10:22:30 nope Jul 23 10:22:36 nice Jul 23 10:22:38 Sorry to jump in... have any of you had success building android for a dell mini? Jul 23 10:22:52 I'm giving it a try Jul 23 10:22:55 and my english is going great got 4 lines doing and its 4:22 in the morning got school at 8:30am lol Jul 23 10:22:57 Kinnoken: I've tried following these instructions: http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Building_the_HTC_Dream_Platform but the first steps is broken Jul 23 10:23:06 mrc: nope, tried android_live_cd? Jul 23 10:23:28 Yes, wouldn't boot. I have it running well in virtualbox though Jul 23 10:23:43 I'll see if I can build later today Jul 23 10:23:44 Radix_: i remember ctate mentioning /dream should be /dream-only if that helps anyway lol Jul 23 10:24:15 and something else... i would have to pull it from my logs sec Jul 23 10:24:18 Ahh.. there's another folder called dream something Jul 23 10:24:42 but it doesn't like the " Jul 23 10:24:50 bit of the local_manifest.xml Jul 23 10:25:05 Radix_, I agree. Jul 23 10:26:40 if I type make it says: TARGET_ARCH=arm Jul 23 10:27:04 Radix_, yah, mine is the same. Jul 23 10:27:18 See.. I havent' done anything ;) Jul 23 10:27:20 I don't suppose you know how to just build the kernel hey? :D Jul 23 10:27:37 <---- total newbie at this Jul 23 10:27:49 Well.. compiled linux kernels before.. but not for many a year now Jul 23 10:28:10 Radix_, I am in the exact same boat. Jul 23 10:28:14 and that's so streamlined now that any kid with an iq above room temperature could Jul 23 10:28:40 hehehehe... Jul 23 10:28:43 hi, did someone try to link source code from another project in eclipse+adt? here apk is built, but it does not start because dalvik uses wrong name for linked classes. Jul 23 10:29:23 Radix_, it was pretty crap to find that Dream build info, and it was broken. ;/ Jul 23 10:29:27 <_yoyo> which head (branch) do the tags android-1.5(xx) or android-sdk-xx belong to? Jul 23 10:29:45 Radix_: something about changing something to refs/heads/android-msm-2.6.27 Jul 23 10:30:30 and yeah platform/vendor/htc/dream to platform/vendor/htc/dream-only thats all i found as i said not sure it helps Jul 23 10:30:33 lmao im crashing Jul 23 10:30:48 is android 1.5r2 just a security update? Jul 23 10:31:35 daniel2: afaik no and the latest update is r3 Jul 23 10:31:36 good night everyone Jul 23 10:31:38 <_yoyo> i have repo sync the cupcake branch, so can i now repo sync to cupcake-release? Jul 23 10:32:49 I'm a total newbie with git and repo personally. I've used revision control systems before, but don't fully understand git/repo yet Jul 23 10:33:05 Radix_, You must be my evil twin. Jul 23 10:33:21 haha.. what makes you think I'm evil? ;) Jul 23 10:33:36 Your name with that menacing underscore. Jul 23 10:33:56 <_yoyo> in other words, which shall i download the android source, between head and tag? Jul 23 10:34:24 k4r1m: How do you know what you have? Will it says r3? Jul 23 10:34:25 anyone here know who to contact at xda-dev - their wiki code is broken and won't accept edits. Jul 23 10:34:48 Radix_, not really. ;/ Jul 23 10:34:51 k4r1m: I don't think r3 has been released yet tho has it? Jul 23 10:35:04 my build is crc1 Jul 23 10:35:17 Radix_, I'm running a default compile on the android source now. Jul 23 10:35:22 Let's see what happens. Jul 23 10:35:42 Kinnoken: hehe.. I did that a few hours ago.. mine built.. it's just.. I don't know where to go from here now ;) Jul 23 10:35:45 Although, I think I should've given the VM more ram! Jul 23 10:36:02 minimum 1.5GB mem/20GB disk space I think Jul 23 10:36:10 I gave mine 2GB and 50GB Jul 23 10:36:26 Radix_: vm? Jul 23 10:36:27 Yah, I think mine has like 512MB of ram. Jul 23 10:36:28 haha. Jul 23 10:36:28 I should chuck another 4GB in that box.. memory is cheap Jul 23 10:36:53 oh Shi~ Jul 23 10:37:07 I have 4GB in this machine here, BUT, I am at work and trying to do actual work as well as work with the android source! Jul 23 10:37:09 k4r1m: I have an UberNAS with 4tb raid5 array, quad core cpu and 4gb ram Jul 23 10:37:21 * k4r1m looks at the bottom left corner of his room... 3 old dell computers.. Jul 23 10:37:28 I skimped on the ram on that machine.. got 8gb in my desktop here tho Jul 23 10:37:44 i has 6gb of ram other than i cant say shit Jul 23 10:37:58 okay, I just upped the ram to 1.5GB. Jul 23 10:38:03 Going to run make clean, and then make. Jul 23 10:38:17 sound good? Jul 23 10:38:21 is the lack of Bluetooth data transfer a hardware issue? Jul 23 10:38:29 IanPM, don't think so. Jul 23 10:38:30 IanPM: nope Jul 23 10:38:32 no Jul 23 10:38:45 anyone managed to get that enabled on the Magic then? Jul 23 10:39:00 IanPM: you meaning when running the hero on the magic? Jul 23 10:39:15 People aren't really working on the HTC Magic atm, it only just came out in the USA. ;/ Jul 23 10:39:15 nah, just on a standard Magic Jul 23 10:39:17 k4r1m/kinnoken: target stuff for dream is 'dream-open' btw Jul 23 10:39:24 See the repo at http://android.git.kernel.org Jul 23 10:39:29 Cool... I don't have a dream though. ;/ Jul 23 10:39:38 Kinnoken: u forgot canada Jul 23 10:39:41 =D Jul 23 10:39:52 Canadian Rogers has a 32A board, like mine. Jul 23 10:39:56 Which is good news for me. Jul 23 10:40:04 i got the rogers too Jul 23 10:40:13 kinda of pissed of though Jul 23 10:40:30 i think i should of got 32b Jul 23 10:40:39 err.. why? Jul 23 10:40:39 ram is not a problem when i could swap lol Jul 23 10:40:41 if I had that one, I'd put the Hero ROM straight on it Jul 23 10:40:50 Radix_: kernel!? Jul 23 10:41:03 I have a theory that RAM isn't the problem with the Magic Jul 23 10:41:20 i have a theory that hero is over-rated Jul 23 10:41:21 it's not a good theory, I admit Jul 23 10:41:23 lol.. but the Hero ROM NEEEDS the ram Jul 23 10:41:36 Radix_: f the hero seriously Jul 23 10:41:38 k4r1m, I think when you use one, you'll change your mind ;) Jul 23 10:41:50 IanPM: i been using the rom for weeks Jul 23 10:41:54 that said, all the good stuff could be ported over Jul 23 10:41:59 I am happy that I have a 32A, all I want is a freaking kernel with netfilter and iptables! Jul 23 10:42:04 k4r1m: when it's fast noone will be saying that Jul 23 10:42:08 like the keybaord, that keybaord is SO much better than the MAgic Jul 23 10:42:10 But still, I will probably be getting the SE Xperia Rachael or whatever. Jul 23 10:42:13 k4r1m: it just needs time to be optimised/sped up Jul 23 10:42:17 30fps, VGA recording... Jul 23 10:42:28 k4r1m: touchflo on the first touch diamond was the same Jul 23 10:42:37 More resolution, bigger screen. Jul 23 10:42:47 Radix_: it is fast, jacheroski on magic might be even faster than hero it self... thats not the reason i hate it Jul 23 10:43:05 I'm keen to know if the Xperia is built by HTC this time ;) Jul 23 10:43:07 I only just now used the original google camera... Jul 23 10:43:11 k4r1m: HTC are good at rushing out new code, but not optimising it.. that comes later Jul 23 10:43:18 And I appreciate the way that if you hold the button, it waits to take the picture! Jul 23 10:43:27 Radix_: still the kernel is the main picture im seeing here Jul 23 10:43:40 Kinnoken: the Xperia x3 looks nice.. but it's still vapourware atm and noone knows for sure what it will be like Jul 23 10:43:58 Radix_, I'm not that fond of the interface, but Snapdragon...?? Jul 23 10:44:14 Also, I hope that SE release the kernel config/patches. :(( Jul 23 10:44:20 i want an htc touch pro2 with android on it lol Jul 23 10:44:28 that would be super kick-ass Jul 23 10:45:00 SE don't seem like the type to release stuff like that though. ;/ Jul 23 10:45:32 Kinnoken: i wouldnt trust it either Jul 23 10:45:45 But still, I am quite disappointed by the video on the HTC Magic. Jul 23 10:45:46 since se get its hardware from htc Jul 23 10:46:07 I knew it was shit when I bought the phone... but still. Jul 23 10:46:38 Kinnoken: so its not just me that thinks the build quality is toilet+garbage? Jul 23 10:47:25 Well, the physical build quality is pretty good, except for a few squeaks. Jul 23 10:47:32 Although the touch screen seems a bit off to me. Jul 23 10:47:44 the whole thing is shit in my opinion Jul 23 10:47:48 On the far right hand side of the screen, it's not as responsive as the far left hand side of the screen. Jul 23 10:47:56 screen, camera, bunch of plastic Jul 23 10:48:56 But I will probably sell mine in 6 months or so, when the SE Xperia comes out. Jul 23 10:49:16 we need a devoce with 4.0'inch screen amoled, 800x640 res, 8mp camera, physical keybaord, 1ghz cpu, 512 ram, and we are set. Jul 23 10:49:57 and call it htc superhero-that-will-never-exist Jul 23 10:51:26 k4r1m, the SE Xperia will have a snapdragon (1ghz?), lots of ram (not sure), 800x480 screen, 8mp camera, 30fps VGA recording... Jul 23 10:51:39 amoled? Jul 23 10:51:47 But I fear it will be less moddable than HTC phones. Jul 23 10:51:57 k4r1m, not sure, I would hope so. Jul 23 10:52:17 no keyboard though... yeah do have a magic but sitll Jul 23 10:52:30 omg dad is awak! g2g sleep bai bai interwebz... Jul 23 10:52:30 4 inch screen I think. Jul 23 10:52:36 I can deal with a software keyboard. Jul 23 10:56:23 the soft keyboard on the Hero is ace ;) Jul 23 10:57:13 Yeah, I use that on my HTC Magic. Jul 23 10:57:45 And since the Xperia X3 will have a physically bigger screen, that should help. Jul 23 10:59:46 yeah, more room would be a massive help Jul 23 11:00:00 especially when the phone is held normally Jul 23 11:07:29 oh no, my G1 doesnt even have a sim card in it now :( Jul 23 11:09:34 does the cache to SD thing increase the perfomance a lot? Jul 23 11:09:54 it probably decreases it Jul 23 11:10:07 for things that use the cache Jul 23 11:10:28 can you select certain apps then? Jul 23 11:10:32 I didn't get round to using it Jul 23 11:11:30 IanPM, I wouldn't use the SD card as a random access device... ;/ Jul 23 11:11:39 But then again, I have a 288MB version Magic. Jul 23 11:11:52 yeah, it's not a good long-term strategy for keeping an SD card alive :) Jul 23 11:30:57 what a pain in the ass pdanet is Jul 23 11:33:25 blau-mikeDG, my thoughts exactly. Jul 23 11:35:51 pdanet? Jul 23 11:37:15 rofl: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3010974&postcount=7 Jul 23 11:38:32 IanPM: hahaha Jul 23 11:38:35 <_Auron_> lawd Jul 23 11:38:37 :D Jul 23 11:39:56 on a serious note, replacing the splash image seems like a terrible risk :) Jul 23 11:41:10 why? o_O Jul 23 11:41:25 there doesn't seem to be much margain for error :) Jul 23 11:42:31 so? Jul 23 11:42:44 if you flash something bad to splash1/splash2, you just get a gunked up splash screen Jul 23 11:42:56 I guess Jul 23 11:43:06 I'm a little to cautious perhaps Jul 23 11:43:09 not like flashing a bad SPL Jul 23 11:43:13 which nets you a bricked phone. Jul 23 11:43:22 hehe Jul 23 11:43:36 zinx, if you flash a splash which is too big for the allocated memory space, you might brick the phone? Jul 23 11:43:52 Kinnoken: fastboot flash won't let you do that Jul 23 11:43:59 ah Jul 23 11:44:00 nice Jul 23 11:44:00 never tried myself. XD Jul 23 11:44:19 i flashed system.img to boot accidentally once :P Jul 23 11:44:30 I was going to send the Vodafone one back with Vodafone crossed out and Fucking Arsehats written beneath it Jul 23 11:44:50 lol zinx, what happens then? Jul 23 11:44:54 or i think that's the way it was.. may have been the other way around, which wouldn't be nearly as useful to know :x Jul 23 11:44:58 IanPM: oh, i caught it Jul 23 11:45:04 :) Jul 23 11:45:04 just flashed it all back correctly :x Jul 23 11:45:07 hehe Jul 23 11:45:18 is it okay until the reboot then? Jul 23 11:45:21 there's a big difference between flashing 70+MB and flashing 2MB :P Jul 23 11:46:01 ok even after, i never touch the recovery image or SPL/radio unless it's /really/ needed Jul 23 11:46:13 and my SPL does fastboot :/ Jul 23 11:46:53 I did do my SPL... Jul 23 11:46:55 2005 Jul 23 11:46:57 That's it. Jul 23 11:53:27 has anyone managed to extract the keyboard from the Hero for use on other phones? Jul 23 12:07:00 my phone's been being slow recently, I wondered if it was usual for "system_server" to be using 84% of the cpu? Jul 23 12:07:57 or, ~80% on the home screen (default) Jul 23 12:08:23 * _Auron_ wonders what uses more power, wifi or edge Jul 23 12:09:03 <_Auron_> probably wifi. Jul 23 12:11:49 theres a google i/o conference presentation that mentions some stats for each and all Jul 23 12:25:55 hi all Jul 23 12:26:15 is the ndk a c library for the android? Jul 23 12:26:54 i think it's more than a library Jul 23 12:28:38 <_Auron|G1_> heh Jul 23 12:28:44 in which ide u'r using for ndk develop ? Jul 23 12:29:27 <_Auron|G1_> I think most use eclipse but that's a guess Jul 23 12:29:40 <_Auron|G1_> personally I do Jul 23 12:30:08 an u'r using sdk oder ndk ? Jul 23 12:30:18 i only test sdk with eclipse Jul 23 12:30:43 <_Auron|G1_> I don't use ndk Jul 23 12:31:10 k thx Jul 23 12:31:27 is it possible to code some gui programs in ruby ? Jul 23 12:36:14 Hello Jul 23 12:36:39 Is there already a free turn by turn navigate software for android? Jul 23 12:37:15 you might like to look at Waze Jul 23 12:37:17 dunno, andnav maybe? Jul 23 12:37:22 if you're american Jul 23 12:38:49 I'm from belgium Jul 23 12:39:24 but I'm searching one where I can download the maps and use him offline, because to be online everytime in the car is very expensive here in belgium Jul 23 12:39:27 aha, nederlandstalig? :) Jul 23 12:39:36 inderdaad:) Jul 23 12:39:51 guess we'll stick to english - a bit annoying for other people otherwise :) Jul 23 12:40:07 indeed Jul 23 12:41:30 Droned, I feel you. Jul 23 12:42:26 Kinnoken, and do you have also a solution for me? :) Jul 23 12:45:48 Not really... Have you looked at 'AndNav2' ? Jul 23 12:46:28 Or perhaps Copilot? (Not sure if the maps are for your area) Jul 23 12:46:59 yes, and I downloaded also the benelux maps to my SD card, but he doesn't find any city in my neighbourhood. Maybe I have done something wrong, but I have followed the instructions on the site. Jul 23 12:47:32 I can't even use AndNav2, doesn't have maps for my country. ;/ Jul 23 12:47:55 Droned: what city is that, if a i may ask? Jul 23 12:48:33 Dworp Jul 23 12:48:40 around Brussels Jul 23 12:56:01 hey guys Jul 23 12:56:09 hey Jul 23 12:56:17 a journeyman is like a position between junior and senior right? Jul 23 13:10:26 Word of warning: CoPilot is horrible Jul 23 13:12:37 ian: what makes you say that Jul 23 13:21:36 IanPM, I heard it was good. Jul 23 13:21:42 copilot has some rough spots, but it seems to work fine for me Jul 23 13:21:43 what is the best android rom for the htc magic? Jul 23 13:25:32 I thought my phone was behaving oddly, http://pastebin.com/d19f638cd logcat is showing ~33k objects being freed by GC every two seconds... does anybody know what could be causing this? Jul 23 13:29:05 which process is doing all those GCs? Jul 23 13:29:26 I think that's the question. Jul 23 13:29:40 56 Jul 23 13:29:41 well, it's in the logcat output... Jul 23 13:30:15 ok, so that's the system server (which makes sense since it's the one using up the CPU). I wonder what's going on that causes it to do that :( Jul 23 13:30:17 pid 56, dalvikvm Jul 23 13:30:27 yep that's what I thought Jul 23 13:31:00 My first guess would be that an app is tickling it the wrong way, but no other app is using any CPU Jul 23 13:31:55 a running service will appear in the output as a package name right? Jul 23 13:32:30 its name is mentioned in the log when the service starts, and it's in the top output as a package name. Jul 23 13:32:53 I'd suggest trying to kill the apps one by one and see whether that has an impact on the system_server patterns. Jul 23 13:33:14 it couldn't be related to eclipse being open could it? Jul 23 13:33:29 infact no, the reason I plugged it in was because it was being slow Jul 23 13:33:47 yeah, sounds unlikely. Jul 23 13:35:58 well, I did a reboot before you mentioned killing the apps individually Jul 23 13:36:05 system_service is now at 4% Jul 23 13:37:34 ack :( now you lost that state, so there won't be a way to try to diagnose it. Jul 23 13:38:17 the only processes that I'm allowed to kill there would have been the ones with the user app_X? Jul 23 13:38:33 yeah. Jul 23 13:39:39 I'll test them individually, I'm putting my money on twidroid.. it's been giving me very large unread tweet counts Jul 23 13:40:57 are there any other sip clients other than sipdroid? Jul 23 13:41:40 <_Andrew> There's a few that are based on sipdroid, apart from that I don't think so Jul 23 13:41:56 <_Andrew> Are you have problems with SipDroid then? Betamax user? Jul 23 13:42:44 jbq, thanks for the help Jul 23 14:05:58 _Andrew: yea having problems with sipdroid... firstly.. when you dial out.. there's no ring tone, which is really annoying.. second issue is people cant dial me Jul 23 14:06:05 anyone tried cyan's new image? Jul 23 14:06:11 i wanna see what this new launcher and sherpa are Jul 23 14:10:40 i moved from cyanogen to jacheroski Jul 23 14:12:47 i tried the jacheroski, man it was so dog slow i couldn't stand it Jul 23 14:12:56 i don't know where he gets off sayin "it's fast as hell" Jul 23 14:13:13 it takes like 40 seconds to get the home app to pull up when coming from anotehr app Jul 23 14:14:02 not if you set it up right Jul 23 14:14:11 linux-swap partition Jul 23 14:14:15 swappiness set right Jul 23 14:14:52 i don't have any loading screens now Jul 23 14:15:13 whereas i did have them before setting up a swap partition Jul 23 14:15:23 _Andrew: (registering against our own asterisk server) Jul 23 14:15:49 FFS... Jul 23 14:15:55 I just tried wisepilot, and apparently they have maps for my country, but it doesn't appear to do any caching. ;/ Jul 23 14:16:00 what settings do you have? cuz i have/had swap and even now compcache enabled and saw it using it , but was still slow as dog shit Jul 23 14:16:05 Jabo ^^^^ Jul 23 14:16:08 Kinnoken: not very wise, then Jul 23 14:16:26 right now i'm running jacheroski 2.4.7 Jul 23 14:16:29 32mb swap Jul 23 14:16:32 80 swappiness Jul 23 14:16:42 haven't tried compcache yet Jul 23 14:16:47 <_Andrew> jduggan: Sounds like there's some bug in sipdroid hence why you can't use it on alot of the SIP providers Jul 23 14:17:10 _Andrew: sucks Jul 23 14:17:18 i did 60 swappiness, but not for long cuz i didn't want my disk to crap out... i could try it again i guess... Jul 23 14:17:36 but i do wanna see this new cyan image Jul 23 14:17:45 i locked myself out of xda though cuz i can't remember my passwd, lol Jul 23 14:17:46 i'm still using the original 2GB sd card Jul 23 14:17:48 too many forums :S Jul 23 14:17:50 lol Jul 23 14:17:55 original 2gb? damn mine only came w/1gb Jul 23 14:18:39 damn 15 minutes feels like an eternity when you wanna log in Jul 23 14:18:49 <_Andrew> jduggan: Yeah, it'll be better once they've worked out the problems Jul 23 14:19:18 _Andrew: guess i'll just keep following the issues on their site and update everytime one gets posted Jul 23 14:20:31 <_Andrew> This is your own server right? Do you have any logs of sipdroid connecting? Maybe it will help find out what the problem is Jul 23 14:20:47 \o Jul 23 14:22:52 what is the best rom at the moment for the htc magic? I have now the standard htc magic with vodafone rom Jul 23 14:24:34 the BEST one is the OEM one... Jul 23 14:25:52 what do you mean with oem? Jul 23 14:26:00 that is the standard version? Jul 23 14:26:53 Where can I find this rom? Jul 23 14:28:46 does location finding fail for enyone else with android 1.5 on kaiser? Jul 23 14:30:29 any comments on this? http://bit.ly/gNSJA not sure if it's worthy of reading.. i have it as a CHM ebook if anyone else so cares to have it Jul 23 14:31:14 Droned, oem = original equipment from manufacturer.. meaning the original rom... meaning the best one is one that is not messed with... but otherwise check 'em out yoruself: http://www.androidspin.com/ Jul 23 14:38:10 well btw mates.. for wtf ever reason.. seems cyanogen's img fixed.. sofar.. all of my force closes?.. messaging works again.. etc.. [tx again spaztik for download access handup ;]].. not sure wtf my g1 didnt like JF'S cupcake as much as it had jf's rc33 before.. Jul 23 14:38:36 ghosts in machine as it were.. Jul 23 14:43:23 @spaztik: the standard manufacturer rom ( oem ) does not figure in the list of roms Jul 23 14:49:19 Droned, huh? that's because roms are modified, it's showin gyou what's different from retail roms Jul 23 14:49:30 tech9iner, you see cyan's new image? the 3.9? Jul 23 14:50:05 ok this "15 minutes" timeout for logging in has been over an hour, wtf Jul 23 14:50:15 spaztik: iirc i saw some 'bleeding edge' advanced one if thats one u refer 2.. Jul 23 14:50:15 i've even cleared my cookies Jul 23 14:50:25 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4185549 Jul 23 14:50:59 i'm not liking FF 3.5... it loses my credentials all the damned time Jul 23 14:51:17 spaztik: recall im mission critical here.. with only one phone to outside world/my clients ;]]].. so 'bleeding edge' will not be applied here.. cant afford any more hiccups than i already have via jf/cyan's bitsNbytes ;]] Jul 23 14:52:04 spaztik: ive actually had strange ffx 3.5 closings.. suddenly.. over last wk or so.. ffx 3.5 on opensuse 11.1 to be clear as mudd here Jul 23 14:52:20 tech9iner, nandroid ftw man.. has saved my arse so many times Jul 23 14:52:35 spaztik: albeit i do like the new recovery component better than last.. Jul 23 14:52:59 lol.. 3 horrays for nandroid.. hip hip hip.. ;]] Jul 23 14:53:26 * tech9iner hands nandroid a smiley sticker and 3!! stars Jul 23 14:53:45 heh Jul 23 14:54:53 gotta say spaztik .. me only beef w nandroid.. is its documentation tho.. to us non'geek'a'zoids.. video brain types.. command line challenged gui dependent sods.. the dox make nandroid and other such hacks.. horridly more intimidating and confusing than they should commensurate with how simple they really are.. Jul 23 14:55:33 tis the atypical 'man page' mentality.. Jul 23 14:56:39 "wtf should i write that my hack's ref to special boot instructions include 'hold home button and power up' .. EVERYbody knows that already.." eh.. ahem.. wrong!. ;]].. Jul 23 14:56:50 tech9iner, yeah one of my first apps is going to be something to apply all the hacks easily Jul 23 14:57:00 so the non-tech's can still benefit Jul 23 14:57:31 known phenom tho.. the brilliant lads n lassies that write up such time saving and beneficial hacks n such.. rare to have a 'laymen's level technical writer' amongst them.. Jul 23 14:57:34 there's a few apps here n there helping with specific things, but i wanna build something that can be modular and take new hacks/mods with minimal work Jul 23 14:58:18 yeah i also have a cert in tech writing, and i am always told my writing is substantially better than most others Jul 23 14:58:26 i just try to make it easy to understand Jul 23 14:58:28 spaztik: im reminded of a palOmine in #opensuse.. that created a nice installer utility in support of new opensuse distro end users.. similar.. Jul 23 14:58:48 alas, i don't have the time to do anything these days :S Jul 23 14:58:56 i wish i could do android dev at work :D Jul 23 14:59:44 heh Jul 23 14:59:55 :( Jul 23 15:00:10 spaztik: me too.. ;]].. wish you could help blokes like me on your org's dime ;]] Jul 23 15:01:10 * tech9iner reminds himself of his own tech crews.. lol.. id not be appreciative if they were using my $5-10,000 USD equipment vans & trailers to their own pockets on my dime tho lol Jul 23 15:01:27 *to line their own.. Jul 23 15:12:25 wtf is up with XDA Jul 23 15:12:31 that is one of the shittiest forums i've ever fuckin seen Jul 23 15:12:47 i've been given the message 'You have used up your failed login quota! Please wait 15 minutes before trying again.' for over an hour now Jul 23 15:13:15 maybe someone else is trying to log in as you as well Jul 23 15:13:25 and they keep failing ever 15 mins Jul 23 15:13:40 spaztik: and ironically.. it has some of the most needed info for android'ian end users too.. go figure.. ;]] Jul 23 15:14:19 i can't a figure a way to get a Button object from a widget AppProvider, since it's not an activity. can you help me? Jul 23 15:23:53 how do you ssh to your phone over wifi? Jul 23 15:28:15 you'd need ssh server on the phone Jul 23 15:28:27 cyanogen, How does it feel to be worshipped wherever you go? Jul 23 15:29:01 Do you have a cadre of royal advisors to fend the masses off of you? Jul 23 15:35:22 whoa weird Jul 23 15:35:27 someone at work named my phone "Yuki" Jul 23 15:35:36 k so anyway... these OTA Updates my phone keeps telling me about Jul 23 15:35:56 if im rooted, updated SPL, and on a hero rom... what will happen Jul 23 15:40:29 is there a 'currently working' openvpn client for android? or is it still on the horizon? Jul 23 15:45:24 where can i find connectbot? i need to connect to actual live Android OS Jul 23 15:46:15 i found connectbot.apk file.. How do i install this apk into an live OS Jul 23 15:46:34 using adb, probably Jul 23 15:46:38 just grab it from the market Jul 23 15:46:45 jpa--, is the person who named your phone "Yuki" gay? Jul 23 15:46:56 (or do you have a white G1?) Jul 23 15:48:06 in live os where do i find abd? Jul 23 15:48:11 *AdB Jul 23 15:48:43 i find adb for the phone in the tools folder Jul 23 15:48:54 but how do i connect to live OS? Jul 23 15:49:26 or are they actually japanese? :) Jul 23 15:52:38 how do i connect to Live Android OS that i have installed on Virtual machine? Jul 23 15:53:19 Yuki: no, she's a girl Jul 23 15:53:20 and i have an HTC Magic Jul 23 15:53:28 jpa--, does she like anime? :) Jul 23 15:53:31 and are the Magic's white? Jul 23 15:53:34 and is she japanese? Jul 23 15:53:44 haha yeah she loves anime Jul 23 15:53:45 and no i have a black magic Jul 23 15:53:55 okay Jul 23 15:53:57 and no, she's pakistanki, but loves japanese culture and stuff Jul 23 15:54:02 that narrows it down Jul 23 15:54:14 99% sure she named your phone after a gay guy Jul 23 15:54:19 * tech9iner mumbles ditto jap culture, furniture, and mower Jul 23 15:54:26 ... mower? Jul 23 15:54:29 ...... MOWER? Jul 23 15:54:50 jpa--: Yuki Sohma Jul 23 15:55:05 Yuki: phonetics mate.. ie 'more' lol.. you're overworking irc slang Jul 23 15:55:06 spaztik: is there no sshd on the phone? :) Jul 23 15:55:14 lol Jul 23 15:55:15 :) Jul 23 15:55:28 i was trying to figure out what a culturally japanese mower would look like Jul 23 15:55:38 descention, I was thinking Yuki Eiri, but that's pretty gay too. :) Jul 23 15:55:38 * tech9iner passes Yuki some calming tea.. breathe laddie.. breathe.. Jul 23 15:55:56 let's design a japanese lawn mower? Jul 23 15:55:56 :/ Jul 23 15:56:17 if i root my phone and install a jf build (also, what other firmwares are there?), will i need to reinstall my installed apps? Jul 23 15:56:23 yes Jul 23 15:56:33 and yes Jul 23 15:56:42 cyanogen's roms are better Jul 23 15:56:42 :/ Jul 23 15:56:47 yes Jul 23 15:56:47 but you can use MyBackupPro Jul 23 15:56:58 is that pay software? Jul 23 15:57:18 no Jul 23 15:57:53 hahaha, connectbot sppors irssi Jul 23 15:58:14 well, screen at least Jul 23 15:58:19 how could it not? Jul 23 15:58:21 er, yeah Jul 23 15:58:35 i've had something that didn't support screen once Jul 23 15:58:44 it was a sad sad day Jul 23 15:58:58 on my old nokia e62, it was a gigantic PITA to use screen Jul 23 15:59:10 rigel: eh.. yes mybackupPRO = paid.. mybackup 'lite' no.. free from market Jul 23 15:59:18 you had to use dropdown menus to choose your alt or ctrl key combination Jul 23 15:59:37 haha Jul 23 15:59:48 oh. i dont use software that is pay, or that has a paid version. is there another alternative? Jul 23 15:59:56 i dont like crippleware Jul 23 16:00:43 i mean, i only have 4 or 5 apps installed Jul 23 16:00:51 so i can re-install them if necessary Jul 23 16:00:57 but is there anything else ill need to back up Jul 23 16:01:27 APN, phone logs... Jul 23 16:01:33 txts Jul 23 16:01:37 etc... Jul 23 16:01:40 APN? Jul 23 16:01:40 rigel: honestly mate.. im OCD about open source.. but some apps on market for as little as $2.99 USD.. honestly.. barely counts as parking meter change.. for blokes supporting android for our community and all.. really.. i tend to at LEAST donate $5 USD or more to open source developers.. Jul 23 16:02:14 rigel: if you want utterly free full sys android backups.. nandroid is da'bomb.. Jul 23 16:02:18 tech9iner: didnt ask for a lecture, but thanks. do you have a tip jar? Jul 23 16:02:32 albeit limited for apps or apps data only backups/restores.. Jul 23 16:03:05 rigel: i didnt offer a lecture me sensitive laddie.. and for you.. i remove all future 'tips' ;]] Jul 23 16:03:06 rofl Jul 23 16:03:23 thanks /ignored Jul 23 16:03:43 lmao.. mum's at the grocers again lol Jul 23 16:06:25 ciao4now me fellow android'eons Jul 23 16:27:07 what are the advantages of a rooted phone? Jul 23 16:30:19 it's able to get it's water from the ground Jul 23 16:31:20 that is, if it were to require water :) Jul 23 16:31:20 someone has a good link howto root my htc magic with ubuntu Jul 23 16:31:28 (i have no windows) Jul 23 16:31:29 oh, so you do that by just keeping the power supply plugged in? ;-) Jul 23 16:32:18 and eventually little mini-phones will bud off the body, like a cactus. Jul 23 16:33:09 slightly unconfortable for a while, especially while using it as a phone Jul 23 16:33:19 but eventually you can make quite some profit ;) Jul 23 16:34:01 if you have some initial investment cash you can culture them from little slivers of the original phone in agar slants Jul 23 16:34:28 you need some rooting hormone and whatnot, but its pretty simple if you have good sterile technique Jul 23 16:34:39 excuse, not sterile, aseptic Jul 23 16:36:30 paid apps are crippleware now, rigel? Jul 23 16:37:05 the "lite"/test versions of paid apps are crippleware Jul 23 16:38:30 you know, i appreciate you guys all jumping all over my shit for saying i cant afford to buy a metric fuckton of apps, and therefore prefer fully-usable free, preferably open source ones Jul 23 16:38:37 defending programmers and all, yadda yadda Jul 23 16:38:44 I was just asking a question Jul 23 16:38:50 you're awfully defensive. Jul 23 16:38:59 gee, i wonder why that could be Jul 23 16:39:24 insecure with your decisions? I don't know you tell me Jul 23 16:39:55 at any rate I was just asking one question, thanks for clearing it up. No need to go justifying your existence and principles to me, I'm fine to let you do you. Jul 23 16:39:58 i think it has to do with the fact that any time i say something about "free" in here people jump all over my shit saying "hey, it isnt that expensive! programmers need to eat!" or some variation thereof Jul 23 16:40:20 never seen that reaction here :) Jul 23 16:40:51 will my apps and contacts wiped when i root my htc magic? Jul 23 16:41:22 itsrumsey: well, glad i could clear it up for you Jul 23 16:45:32 bluespuke. do you know why you;re rooting your magic? Jul 23 16:45:44 What's your goal? Jul 23 16:45:57 Im in ur phone rooting ur android Jul 23 16:46:09 WHat benefits do you want out of it Jul 23 16:46:16 languish, i want to use anetshare Jul 23 16:47:59 then if your contacts are sync'd with google, you will not lose them, they'll resync to the device Jul 23 16:48:43 I'm not sure id you'll lose yopur apps on the rooting technique you'll use for the magic or not Jul 23 16:48:54 yay typos Jul 23 16:49:07 but apps can easily be redownloaded Jul 23 16:49:40 can someone tell me how to exit out of the bootloader screen? Jul 23 16:50:04 The only issue with that is, is if a particular app you use stores user info that cannot be backed up elsewhere, and restored Jul 23 16:50:37 hmmm Jul 23 16:51:02 everyone tells me to root my phone, i'll be very lucky after it Jul 23 16:51:12 you are telling me the opposite xD Jul 23 16:51:52 If you don't understand what it means, you might want to rethink it, unless you're educationally oriented an don't mind learning and possibly failing the first few times until you get a grip on what you're doing Jul 23 16:52:34 some people root their phones cluelessly and for them it's a waste and frustrating. But rooting your phone, if you like to learn, can be very useful Jul 23 16:52:42 just don't expect anyone in here to teach you Jul 23 16:53:03 ok... Jul 23 16:53:14 maybe i should rethink about it Jul 23 16:53:17 ty languish Jul 23 16:53:24 There are many how-to's and discussions for rooted android devices Jul 23 16:53:31 you can pick up from them what you can do with it Jul 23 16:53:40 languish what ROM are you currently using on your g1? Jul 23 16:53:47 it's worth it, if you have the mindset for it :) Jul 23 16:54:18 pillow_humper, I recently went back to plain vanilla, but I was us'ing jf's 1.51 Jul 23 16:54:28 *using Jul 23 16:54:33 oic Jul 23 16:55:11 hmm Jul 23 16:55:21 getpid() returns the same process id for all threads Jul 23 16:55:29 any ideas to get a thread id? Jul 23 17:09:49 hey everyone, i ran into a problem with my tmobile g1 over the weekend, where syncing would hang. it turns out that it was caused by a calendar which no longer existed, but to which i was subscribed. it seems to me like this is a bit of a quirk that can really eat into battery life, should someone else run into it. if you'd like to read my brief writeup on it, it's here: http://nuxx.net/blog/2009/07/23/google-android-t-mobile-g1-hanging-sync-problem Jul 23 17:23:49 Anybody using the latest Cyanogen experiencing *dramatically* reduced battery life? Jul 23 17:26:29 is there an app so that i can upload images to an ftp server ? Jul 23 17:29:02 er Jul 23 17:29:02 androftp Jul 23 17:29:10 er.. i mean andftp Jul 23 17:29:29 thank you! Jul 23 17:29:33 just look on the market for "ftp" Jul 23 17:29:38 there are a few Jul 23 17:29:48 but i think andftp is a better one Jul 23 17:30:45 i just got the g1 yesterday, super stoked on it Jul 23 17:31:14 soo rad that it runs on the linux kernel Jul 23 17:38:52 hi all, i'm trying to run emulator from git checkouted code. So i followed http://source.android.com/download but when i: cd out/host/linux-x86/bin ; ./android create avd -n test -t 2 -- it say: Jul 23 17:38:58 Error: Error parsing the sdk. Jul 23 17:38:58 Error: /home/onovy/Desktop/Android/out/host/linux-x86/platforms is missing. Jul 23 17:47:49 finally... got into xda Jul 23 17:47:56 gettin cyanogen's new 3.9 image1 Jul 23 17:50:02 hi , i recently flashed cyanogen rom on my G1 Jul 23 17:50:22 but I understand I should create an ext3 and swap space on my microsd? Jul 23 17:50:29 right or wrong? Jul 23 17:51:28 which rom? Jul 23 17:51:30 version that is Jul 23 17:51:46 3.6.8.1 Jul 23 17:51:48 ext3 is for apps2sd if you want that Jul 23 17:52:05 swap is no longer needed in place of compcache Jul 23 17:52:22 so I dont have to configure anything else now that the rom is loaded? Jul 23 17:52:46 well do you want apps on your sdcard? more space to install apps to Jul 23 17:52:51 as big as the partition you make anyway Jul 23 17:53:07 i thought my apps should now be automaticlly installing to my sd card? Jul 23 17:54:03 no Jul 23 17:54:14 you need an ext2/3 partition on your sdcard first Jul 23 17:54:14 wtf... Jul 23 17:54:53 i just installed a bunch of apps, can I move them to SD once I do this? Jul 23 17:55:03 and how big of an ext2 or ext3 do I need Jul 23 17:55:18 yes you can Jul 23 17:55:29 i'm running mine at i think 128mb? Jul 23 17:55:35 i still have 40mb free Jul 23 17:55:45 but tbh, do a du -hs on /system/app i think it is? Jul 23 17:55:50 sorry, i was of the understanding that the mod'd rom would auto save apps to the sd card Jul 23 17:56:01 I have an 8gb microsd Jul 23 17:56:13 so maybe make 2gb ext3 Jul 23 17:56:33 ? Jul 23 17:56:46 damn, yeah that would suffice.. quite a bit Jul 23 17:56:53 i'd say 200-300mb is more than enough though Jul 23 17:57:03 ok Jul 23 17:57:17 if you have the partition set up, it will install apps to sd automatically, but if you don't it'll save to the ROM Jul 23 17:57:25 got ya Jul 23 17:58:29 another advantage is even if you wipe your apps stick around Jul 23 18:00:08 using gparted now to make the partition Jul 23 18:00:10 ext3 Jul 23 18:00:13 went with 500mb Jul 23 18:00:23 i think typically the base apps are on the ROM, and your 3rd party apps are on the ext3 Jul 23 18:00:53 so you have /system/app for base apps, and /data/app for installed apps? Jul 23 18:01:05 no idea Jul 23 18:01:12 eh i'm just lookin at the fs Jul 23 18:01:38 could potentially also map /data/data to the sd Jul 23 18:02:14 ok now my parition is done, what do I need to do Jul 23 18:02:19 is the android gadget driver supposed to be fully working in 2.6.29? i can't figure out how to enable ums on it, adb works fine. anyone know? Jul 23 18:02:21 which recovery image are you using? Jul 23 18:02:34 i dont know =( Jul 23 18:02:49 sorry im new Jul 23 18:02:50 well when you're done with that, flash cyan's 1.3.1 recovery image, and boot to it Jul 23 18:03:06 I think I flashed a recovery image Jul 23 18:03:18 thats holding the hang up and cam button? Jul 23 18:03:53 what will the recovery image do Jul 23 18:04:03 hrm no googlers around? :( Jul 23 18:04:07 * ctate coughs. Jul 23 18:04:30 I just flashed your rom cyanogen Jul 23 18:04:40 awesome, enjoy :) Jul 23 18:04:41 i think you are looking for a more kernelish googler than i, however Jul 23 18:04:43 cyanogen, from catting out the config.gz, looks like you have it enabled Jul 23 18:04:52 no i have the function drivers Jul 23 18:04:58 i want to use the gadget drivers and enable rndis Jul 23 18:05:05 but i've never compiled the modules/kernel on android, soooo... not sure Jul 23 18:05:06 zoooooooooooom Jul 23 18:05:09 think some code is missing Jul 23 18:05:15 that's the sound of "rndis" and "gadget drivers" going over my head Jul 23 18:05:21 lol Jul 23 18:05:21 :D Jul 23 18:05:22 heh ok :) Jul 23 18:05:35 if san pops by, ask him Jul 23 18:05:38 k Jul 23 18:06:02 ("SanMehat") Jul 23 18:06:17 so apps2sd is in the market? Jul 23 18:06:37 cyanogen, that's like ICS for usb right? Jul 23 18:07:15 s/for/over Jul 23 18:08:03 yeah, tether via usb Jul 23 18:08:28 the only thing i'm seeing in the kernel config is CONFIG_IPV6_NDISC_NODETYPE=y Jul 23 18:08:43 that's probably not related though, my bad Jul 23 18:09:01 otherwise, i'm not sure it's included in the kernel is it? i thought that was still experimental even in the linux kernel Jul 23 18:09:29 i can build it fine, ums just doesn't work. i'll try and get it working i guess Jul 23 18:09:35 hmm Jul 23 18:09:44 wish i had time/environment to help :S Jul 23 18:10:04 i miss messing with gentoo 12 hrs a day :) Jul 23 18:10:31 but, i am about to flash your 3.9 images :D Jul 23 18:13:49 argh i hate utc times Jul 23 18:14:35 Hi :) I'm new to android - I'm not a developer or anything but I was hoping to get a few pointers Jul 23 18:15:15 char* Jul 23 18:15:34 rofl Jul 23 18:15:39 <3 ctate, that was great Jul 23 18:15:52 we aim to please Jul 23 18:16:22 the keyboard is pants. I've tried handcent - the dictionary isn't good enough, and bigkeys, which isn't much help - any better free ones about? Jul 23 18:16:37 the htc ime isn't too shabby Jul 23 18:16:44 but, not really :S Jul 23 18:17:09 nor is it free :) Jul 23 18:17:51 thats actually the most expensive app I've seen yet Jul 23 18:17:54 £5.99 Jul 23 18:17:57 o_O Jul 23 18:18:58 so default = best thing? Jul 23 18:27:13 I was hoping to get some opinions on the alt home screens too Jul 23 18:27:31 I tried sweeter home, seems very raw at the moment Jul 23 18:28:31 apfelsaft - I use Open Home. Works good, 3/5/7 screens. Jul 23 18:33:12 oh i meant the one thats on the hero roms that have been ported over to other roms Jul 23 18:33:45 apfelsaft, sweeter home? is that this? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=538871 or rather, have you tried it yet? Jul 23 18:34:22 why is it that adb push -ing to my sdcard unmounts the sdcard after a transfer? Jul 23 18:34:29 (in recovery image) Jul 23 18:35:30 and does nandroid leave a log anywhere? i get an error saying it wasn' tperformed, but doesn't say why Jul 23 18:36:16 spaztik: it has to unmount it in order to make it available on-device Jul 23 18:36:19 ah nm found it (/tmp/recovery.log has it) Jul 23 18:36:30 or do you mean it unmounts it FROM the device? either way Jul 23 18:36:47 although hmm hrm, never mind. good question. Jul 23 18:36:50 i think it was actually nandroid umounting it and i was just backwards as far as which command caused it Jul 23 18:36:56 ahh, okay Jul 23 18:37:00 that makes more sense Jul 23 18:37:18 umount: can't forcibly umount /system: Device or resource busy Jul 23 18:37:23 dang.. i hate rebooting :S Jul 23 18:39:13 nonversation, spaztik, cyanogen: I've been using 3.9 since yesterday right after you posted it and threw the link on IRC. Its pretty snappy but the one thing I've noticed is slightly higher battery usage than normal, and by consequence more heat as well. You probably already know because I saw it mentioned in the forums, but just an fyi Jul 23 18:40:00 thanks for the heads up Jul 23 18:40:22 hi, I have rooted & upgraded my G1 using the JF rom to 1.51 and CRB43 but I keep getting prompted to update...if I update will I be able to run apps that need root or will that be lost? Jul 23 18:40:37 update what, android or an app? Jul 23 18:40:46 android Jul 23 18:40:51 anyone tried to receive an mms from a palm pre Jul 23 18:40:57 it shows a PLAY icon like it's a movie Jul 23 18:41:00 it says 1.5 update ready to be installed and keeps popping up Jul 23 18:41:01 but it's not a movie, it's a picture Jul 23 18:41:15 there are reports, unless it's changed in the last 24 hours, that it does indeed remove root access, but can be reverted via the recovery image Jul 23 18:41:34 Kitz, see http://jf.andblogs.net/2009/07/19/otas-in-jfv1-51/ Jul 23 18:41:48 grindking: maybe the pre sends pictures the same way as a slideshow Jul 23 18:41:49 but if I revert then I won't be at the latest version again will I? Jul 23 18:42:00 itsrumsey: i think that might be right Jul 23 18:42:01 no not revert, you fix the problem Jul 23 18:42:11 itsrumsey: either way, i've never seen this icon and if i click on it, it just shows text on a black background, not the image :( Jul 23 18:42:18 otherwise you can choose not to upgrade Jul 23 18:42:26 grindking: this is on a G1? Jul 23 18:42:36 yes, i received the picture from a palm pre though Jul 23 18:42:40 flashing 3.9 :D Jul 23 18:42:43 right, i got that; just checking what phone you have Jul 23 18:43:19 yah :D g1 here Jul 23 18:43:20 Thats curious grindking, sorry but I don't know anyone with a Pre to test with Jul 23 18:43:53 spaztik, thanks, it looks like for the moment this page says one should ignore it :) Jul 23 18:43:57 Kitz, here's another one you could try: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=538456 Jul 23 18:44:05 looks to be essentially JF + Cyan's mods together Jul 23 18:44:33 spaztik, do you know of a way to disable the OTA popups? Jul 23 18:44:37 grindking: is the text it shows anything in particular? (when you touch the 'play' icon that it displayed) Jul 23 18:44:57 spaztik: no, I don't think that's sweeter home and I haven't tried it yet Jul 23 18:45:06 I'd love to have blackbox on this thing Jul 23 18:45:08 Kitz, as per that JF thread i sent you, you can delete the certs dedicated to ota pushes Jul 23 18:45:16 apfelsaft, i'd go for xfce :) Jul 23 18:45:20 ok Jul 23 18:45:21 spaztik: ah yeah I was looking at this rom, seems like it has all the extra feautres of JF and Cyanogen, but without the optimizations Jul 23 18:45:22 thanks Jul 23 18:45:27 not really clear to me, though Jul 23 18:45:28 is it likely to happen? Jul 23 18:45:34 ever? Jul 23 18:45:51 apfelsaft, i've been running aHome basically for the first day of owning this phone... just last night i went back to standard home to see if i get any faster responses between apps n such, so far i have Jul 23 18:46:09 apfelsaft, well youc an install debian, no reason why you couldn't install gtk+ and qt and run it i guess... Jul 23 18:46:12 just too lazy to try it Jul 23 18:46:14 but i'd love it Jul 23 18:46:26 yeah that seems like a longwinded way of getting a basic desktop Jul 23 18:46:41 * kRutOn compiles WebKit with ICU 4.2.1... Jul 23 18:46:43 no more than a standard pc with linux :S Jul 23 18:47:12 so my first two apps are going to be a hack applicator, and then an alternate home Jul 23 18:47:22 something that screams BASIC for SPEED Jul 23 18:47:30 don't you have to access the debian x serv with a vm? Jul 23 18:47:36 i don't want to wait 3 seconds for home to come up Jul 23 18:47:39 you can't really use any home replacements without them being all nasty and laggy Jul 23 18:47:43 dunno honestly Jul 23 18:47:47 atleast none that i've used have been good Jul 23 18:48:00 yeah, but that i believe is poor dev, not a natural thing Jul 23 18:48:27 hopefully you're right Jul 23 18:48:42 it would be great if someone released a distro specifically for this hardware Jul 23 18:48:43 i think the problem with most apps is poor caching techniques Jul 23 18:48:47 someone other than google, I mean Jul 23 18:49:02 i was gonna put cyanogens rom on here, but i gave up and said screw it Jul 23 18:49:11 why give up? i <3 cyanogen mods Jul 23 18:49:18 > * imho Jul 23 18:49:23 i just have no motivation to do anything with this phone, i actually kind of hate it Jul 23 18:49:35 i'll take it... =) Jul 23 18:49:35 LEAVE NO BLASPHEMER! Jul 23 18:49:40 s/NO/NOW Jul 23 18:49:47 descention: i'm stuck with this pile for another 2 years :( Jul 23 18:49:53 i know i won't make it that long though Jul 23 18:49:56 what do you not like about it? Jul 23 18:49:57 phone is unusable at times Jul 23 18:50:02 some of the things you just said Jul 23 18:50:17 well then you'll be disappointed by just about every phone out there Jul 23 18:50:25 poor dev is imminent these days Jul 23 18:50:34 low internal storage is absolutely insulting, lack of support for this first gen phone and already moving onto the others, delays from the constant loading/unloading of memory Jul 23 18:50:43 i have a saying.. "If you can type, there's a good chance you think you can develop, too" Jul 23 18:50:56 spaztik: Home actually comes up really fast. it's the icons etc that take forever. Jul 23 18:50:57 when i'm out and about, if i need to take a picture quick, if i need to do (insert here) quickly, i *NEED* that ability Jul 23 18:50:59 yeah not to sound like a fanboy, there are a million changes i'd like to make to the g1, but after using it a month or two I dont think there's another phone on this planet that could replace it for me now Jul 23 18:51:04 there's no getting around the I/O speed in that phone. :( Jul 23 18:51:08 i dont need some stupid random lagged delay intruding my experience Jul 23 18:51:09 ctate, yeah that's where i was getting at with caching Jul 23 18:51:29 itsrumsey, likewise Jul 23 18:51:35 grindking: out of the box it isn't the greatest, but you can pretty much fix all the problems and make the phone 100x better Jul 23 18:51:36 it has it's downsides, but so does every phone Jul 23 18:51:39 the problem with caching is that there isn't a lot of ram, so if you dedicate it to Home for an icon cache, you really hurt the ability to run everything else Jul 23 18:51:49 my wife uses OTA rom, and she still lvoes it Jul 23 18:52:01 itsrumsey: how? Jul 23 18:52:03 at one point we had Home running as a persistent process, then turned that off because it caused too much memory pressure on everything else Jul 23 18:52:06 ctate, well can you not cache into an sqlite db or on disk? Jul 23 18:52:11 i'm too lazy to put another rom on this phone, it just disappoints me that much to not even care Jul 23 18:52:15 I have a magic and im seriously considering rooting it and going for the debian mod.. dare I? I'm scared of doing it. Jul 23 18:52:15 it seems like apps like to reload data Jul 23 18:52:23 spaztik: it would defeat the purpose to put the cache on disk! Jul 23 18:52:26 grindking: I have plenty of suggestions to help you, but let me finish eating first ;) Jul 23 18:52:34 since the whole point would be to avoid touchign the disk, because touching the disk is so bloody slow Jul 23 18:52:52 ctate, nah, i mean to say it seems apps don't make use of storage, they requery dp's on load rather than just using a "last state" Jul 23 18:53:05 oh, sure, apps that do things wrong will be slow. Jul 23 18:53:10 i would imagine that woudl be faster Jul 23 18:53:13 but don't blame the OS (much). Jul 23 18:53:34 and lobby the device makers to use faster flash parts :) Jul 23 18:53:44 oh i don't blame the OS, i think the idea is grand.. it's much like that of a web app's framework Jul 23 18:53:54 grindking: unfortunately a lot of the fixes I can suggest to you require a rooted phone Jul 23 18:54:09 if you really have no interest in customizing or working on the phone, I can see how it might not be a phone for you. Jul 23 18:54:19 it's stateless, so inheritly there's overhead recovering a state, but... it also allows for more activity Jul 23 18:54:23 if you really like taking an OS and making it exactly the way you want it to run though, its a great phone Jul 23 18:54:39 itsrumsey: mine's rooted, i'm just too lazy to put another rom on it Jul 23 18:54:52 i flash like 3 or 4 times a week Jul 23 18:54:55 takes no time at all Jul 23 18:54:55 i'm not gonna apply steps from some OTHER tutorial on flashing a rom and then just choose the rom of my choosing, as lazy as it sounds Jul 23 18:55:02 yah, i dont Jul 23 18:55:04 and dont want to be like that Jul 23 18:55:08 i have way more shit to do than flash a phone :D Jul 23 18:55:10 flashing a rom is the same no matter which rom Jul 23 18:55:22 I dont flash that often Jul 23 18:55:25 and if i have the 1.5 radio, do i need the newer one the 1.51? Jul 23 18:55:27 only cyan updates when they come out Jul 23 18:55:32 or whatever the hell tmob usa did Jul 23 18:55:57 i need cyanogen on there though Jul 23 18:56:02 ill probably do it this weekend :D Jul 23 18:56:03 if you're on the 1.5 radio, you should be fine to flash whatever 1.5 rom you want Jul 23 18:56:09 it's important to keep the radio version in sync with your Android version. Jul 23 18:56:19 and see then again, do i really need to flash the recovery rom to have nandroid in the recovery part? Jul 23 18:56:21 heh. Turn on my phone screen and I see the time: 2:56 Jul 23 18:56:38 you should flash the recovery because it takes 1 minute, and is great to have backup functionality Jul 23 18:56:47 apeiron: yesterday was pi approximation day! Jul 23 18:56:56 ctate, Indeed. Jul 23 18:56:56 22/7 FTW Jul 23 18:57:13 i still have your page bookmarked spaztik , would you suggest still using that hardspl link you had on the page? Jul 23 18:57:20 cuz i'm already 1.5jf Jul 23 18:57:30 wow sherpa is pretty cool Jul 23 18:57:31 atleast i think it was your page haha Jul 23 18:57:34 you're already jf1.5? Jul 23 18:57:34 hi there Jul 23 18:57:39 yah itsrumsey Jul 23 18:57:40 grindking, which page? Jul 23 18:57:42 then you probably already have hardspl, right? Jul 23 18:57:45 i want the added optimizations of cyanogen Jul 23 18:58:21 http://blog.killerspaz.com/2009/05/how-to-flash-updatezip-to-your-phone.html Jul 23 18:58:23 that page Jul 23 18:58:26 yeah that's my blog Jul 23 18:58:46 as for the SPL, that's a potentially dangerous SPL, i should probably update to state taht Jul 23 18:58:48 once i do this a few more times it probably wont' be or 'seem' like that much of a chore Jul 23 18:59:01 i do the same crap when i flash 360s, i've flashed probably 15 or 20, and each time it feels like the first time haha Jul 23 18:59:27 i'm bout to do that this weekend i think, might hit you up if yer around for that ;) Jul 23 18:59:39 a 360? Jul 23 18:59:42 alright spaztik Jul 23 18:59:43 yeah Jul 23 18:59:49 you can flash those? Jul 23 18:59:49 i'm kinda well educated in that area :D Jul 23 18:59:56 grindking: once you've flashed hardspl and recovery, which it sounds like you've alreayd done, you really don't need to do it again often - if ever Jul 23 18:59:56 damn this 3.9 is fast as shit Jul 23 18:59:59 i never knew... Jul 23 19:00:00 descention: yah to bypass backup checks for games Jul 23 19:00:06 Quick Question: Is there a bluetooth App in Android thgat allows Remote Sim access? I used to have HTC Diamond and in Bluetooth settings there used to be a "tick" that would allow Remote Sim Access via Bluetooth. Any ideas? My car's bluetooth works like that so I desperately need this...Pelase Help! Jul 23 19:00:10 descention: sure. you just stand in front of it wearing a trenchcoat, and... Jul 23 19:00:17 ctate: haha Jul 23 19:00:24 itsrumsey: and i should be able to put cyanogen's recover image right over the one i have now? that's wher i always get all gray Jul 23 19:00:28 Paladin13: i don't think there is currently Jul 23 19:00:31 you can't do the newer ones i thought, but the older ones yeah Jul 23 19:00:41 grindking: that's pretty nifty, if i get my back from rrod, i might try that Jul 23 19:00:42 grindking: yeah its just 1 command to replace it Jul 23 19:00:44 omg that's 2 bad... Jul 23 19:00:54 Paladin13: i'm sure it will eventually be added Jul 23 19:01:00 Paladin13: the thing you're looking for is 'OBEX' Jul 23 19:01:06 I've flashed a metric crap ton of 360s also, partly for other people, partly because I've had 3 RROD and I always replace mine Jul 23 19:01:18 descention: i've done rrod fixes too Jul 23 19:01:27 Is it part of Android SDK? Jul 23 19:01:30 Hey guys, I have a slight problem. When replacing the boot.gif and boot_animation.xml in /system/media, which I made myself upon reboot the second splash, which is the boot.gif, the image gets garbled. Do I have to use some special preferences with the gif file to make the phone show it correctly? Jul 23 19:01:45 Paladin13: no, not currently Jul 23 19:01:54 spaztik: they have a probe for the newer lite ons, but he brand NEWEST lite on model is still up in the air last i heard Jul 23 19:02:03 im an op in efnet #fw so i get to see all the latest updates haha Jul 23 19:02:04 Ostebaronen: probably, there is a thread on xda forums with the specifications you need to follow to replace your splash Jul 23 19:02:10 grindking: mind a PM? Jul 23 19:02:18 go ahead Jul 23 19:02:25 zinx thanks for the info Jul 23 19:02:33 itsrumsey, well the first splash screen I know how to convert the images, but it is the second one that gives problem Jul 23 19:02:59 itsrumsey and I have been searching the last hour or so for ressources on the second one Jul 23 19:03:00 Sorry I don't know the details off the top of my head, but I know I read them on XDA at one time Jul 23 19:03:08 let me see if i can find it Jul 23 19:03:15 I would appreciate that Jul 23 19:03:18 I will look aswell Jul 23 19:03:20 holy SHIT this 3.9 is fast cyanogen, what gives? Jul 23 19:03:57 Sorry Ostebaronen, there is too much to look through but I'm sure its on this forum http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=450 Jul 23 19:04:13 spaztik: it doesn't seem any slower/faster than 3.8 was for me Jul 23 19:04:18 Thanks anyways itsrumsey Jul 23 19:04:32 spaztik: he stole some of JF's magic bits! Jul 23 19:04:48 damn i don't ahve a working card reader down here, i need to go buy one i think Jul 23 19:04:50 http://www.androidfanatic.com/cms/community-forums.html?func=view&catid=9&id=2248 is this still up to date, and is it totally compatible with htc magic too? Jul 23 19:05:00 Ostebaronen: wait, check here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467693&highlight=splash Jul 23 19:05:23 I checked that out, but no luck Jul 23 19:05:30 Oh, sorry then :\ Jul 23 19:05:32 its for the first splash screen Jul 23 19:05:51 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=536299 <-- seems this guy has the same problem Jul 23 19:05:53 I must have been confused since it talks about flashing splash1/2 Jul 23 19:06:20 itsrumsey: those are not boot.gif Jul 23 19:06:29 so anyone ever received an image in mms that had a play button on it? Jul 23 19:06:30 fastboot splash2 partition is not exsistant anymore Jul 23 19:06:33 i'm trying to troubleshoot shit crap Jul 23 19:06:35 yeah doesn't look that way Jul 23 19:06:45 "shit crap" Jul 23 19:06:55 redundant? heh Jul 23 19:09:03 So on the subject of home replacements, I've never tried one because I have never seen the point but I am wondering if any of them support folders within folders, or at the very least, the ability to organize a folder Jul 23 19:09:23 off the top of my head I can think of ahome, sweeter home, dxtop, openhome, and appsdesktop 3... are any of these worthwhile at all? Jul 23 19:10:09 the springboards on sweeterhome were a badass idea to me atleast Jul 23 19:10:15 but sweeterhome hasn't been maintained Jul 23 19:10:27 springboards work like folders, but you have more control im pretty sure Jul 23 19:11:51 interesting Jul 23 19:11:58 but its no longer being developed? Jul 23 19:12:07 i liked ahome, but it was slow to load and occassionaly got a force close/wait popup Jul 23 19:12:10 never tried the rest Jul 23 19:12:57 I like the default launcher pretty much fine, except the folders are all garbled and I can't organize apps by usefulness. I have no idea what they sort by, seems awfully random. maybe by install data. Jul 23 19:12:59 date* Jul 23 19:13:15 i don't like having extra screens when i don't need them :S Jul 23 19:13:57 itsrumsey: folders are not sorted, the icons are in the order you drop them in the folder Jul 23 19:14:44 romainguy: right thats what I thought at first, so I created a new folder and resorted the whole thing by dropping them in in order. as soon as I finished I did a reboot and they came back up in a completely different order. Jul 23 19:14:50 seems it will only stick until I restart the phone Jul 23 19:15:20 could be a bug Jul 23 19:15:20 hmm Jul 23 19:15:21 that sounds like a bug Jul 23 19:15:29 it's been a long time since I looked at that code Jul 23 19:15:44 no matter how the content is sorted it should be consistent across reboots Jul 23 19:15:47 oh sorry didn't realize we were talking bout your app :S Jul 23 19:16:42 spaztik: no pb :) Jul 23 19:16:57 romainguy: well it could be a bug. all the icons were in a folder called "games", so i made a new folder called "new folder", moved them in there sorted correctly, then deleted "games" and renamed the other folder "games". they stayed until reboot. whats probably happening is on reboot its taking the old "games" folders settings Jul 23 19:17:18 it's definitely not doing that :) Jul 23 19:17:22 So i probably have to use a different folder name until I can figure something out, like "games2" Jul 23 19:17:39 hmm Jul 23 19:18:23 ive got openhome but, can't open any skins Jul 23 19:18:35 when i download the skins from the market, it says "must install open home" Jul 23 19:21:59 nevermind Jul 23 19:22:44 who me, the way, to the next whiskey bar Jul 23 19:22:50 errr.. show me Jul 23 19:23:55 105 ppl in #xbmc-linux, and not in 3 weeks have i seen anyone ever say anything Jul 23 19:24:26 speaking of xbmc linux, AakashPatel: ping! Jul 23 19:26:06 oh yeah forgot about all that Jul 23 19:26:42 http://www.cyrket.com/package/com.elsdoerfer.android.autostarts has quickly become an application I will never understood how I lived without Jul 23 19:27:12 I wouldn't mind seeing the functionality brough in to the main source tree, but for now this app does the job amazingly on its own Jul 23 19:28:32 my betterkeyboard hasn't replaced the default keyboard Jul 23 19:28:33 =/ Jul 23 19:29:20 did you remember to choose the input option? Jul 23 19:29:29 * spaztik looks at autostarts Jul 23 19:29:35 this is so bizarre Jul 23 19:29:38 where is autostarts Jul 23 19:29:45 he just posted the link Jul 23 19:30:06 i can see the image sent over mms from a palm pre to my g1, but it shows a play icon and when you click it, it shows a black bg with text at the top for the caption, and a progress bar along the bottom lik eit's a movie Jul 23 19:30:12 im blaming palm!!! Jul 23 19:30:22 There were ALWAYS apps starting up at random times I could enver figure out, now not only do I know why and when, but I can stop them as well. Just fantastic. Jul 23 19:30:39 sorry i can't click the link, can you post the whole thing? Jul 23 19:31:22 yeah the whole link is there, just up a few lines. try copying it manually Jul 23 19:31:24 damn, the new home destroyed my extra screnes :S Jul 23 19:31:26 screens Jul 23 19:31:46 spaztik: you mean the new cyanogen launcher? Jul 23 19:31:48 or a home replacemenet? Jul 23 19:32:01 yeah launcher Jul 23 19:32:01 sorry i have a shitty irc client Jul 23 19:32:03 in linux Jul 23 19:32:06 it's not his, but yeah Jul 23 19:32:07 so I can't get the link Jul 23 19:32:18 http://www.cyrket.com/package/com.elsdoerfer.android.autostarts Jul 23 19:32:30 thanks Jul 23 19:32:37 spaztik: yeah its not his but yeah, they aren't gone though! just go to extended desktop settings, set screens back to 5, reboot, voila Jul 23 19:32:55 yeah, i just did that, rebooting now Jul 23 19:32:58 hate that i have to reboot Jul 23 19:33:07 nonversation, http://bit.ly/csi3o shortened if you need it Jul 23 19:33:27 yeah but how often are you going to be changing how screen numbers? I just did it the one time after I installed 3.9 and I've been fine :) Jul 23 19:33:52 true, but i still dont' like to reboot Jul 23 19:33:55 takes too damn long Jul 23 19:33:57 so better keyboard needs to be in autostart Jul 23 19:34:28 Yeah I try not to whenever possible Jul 23 19:34:39 hmm, it didn't keep my screen count Jul 23 19:34:41 trying again Jul 23 19:35:08 nonversation: no, read what Ostebaronen said, you need to enable it under input settings. Either browse to input settings, or run Better Keyboard from your app menu Jul 23 19:35:24 disable the default keyboard, if you dont plan to use it Jul 23 19:36:08 i think you can just tap n hold on a text input, input options at the bottom (still in reboot, so i dunno off hand) Jul 23 19:36:35 i cant find input settings Jul 23 19:36:40 i have better keyboard installed Jul 23 19:36:45 i can run the better keyboard app Jul 23 19:36:49 from the menu Jul 23 19:36:57 but i don't get better keyboard, its still the default Jul 23 19:37:14 tell me excatly how to get to input settings Jul 23 19:37:45 go to where you need to type, tap n hold on it, scroll down to the bottom Jul 23 19:38:12 found it, its under locale Jul 23 19:38:12 nonversation: it's probably in your settings where you turn off Android Keyboard and enable Better Keyboard. Jul 23 19:38:21 ah dang, autostarts doesn't even have a demo :S Jul 23 19:38:21 I had to go to locale and make it default Jul 23 19:38:23 i hate that Jul 23 19:38:30 i don't want to buy your app to hate it Jul 23 19:38:30 but thanks all anyways Jul 23 19:38:33 it works now Jul 23 19:39:12 spaztik: that's what the 24 hour refund period is for, no? Jul 23 19:40:35 from a marketing standpoint, no Jul 23 19:41:15 i'm the kind of guy that likes to keep cashflow's as low as possible.. keeps my financing easier to follow.. granted this is only like a buck, but still Jul 23 19:44:15 hey, does anyone know where I could download a clock widget for the G1 that looks like this http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/07/hero_hands_622.jpg Jul 23 19:44:20 If someone has made one for the G1... Jul 23 19:46:37 that looks like windows mobile Jul 23 19:46:46 thats the Hero Jul 23 19:46:50 Its android Jul 23 19:47:07 i know what it is, just saying the clock looks like the one in windows mobile Jul 23 19:47:08 spaztik do you use advanced task manager>? Jul 23 19:47:44 yeah Spyrorocks its on the market Jul 23 19:47:50 i think its called beautiful widgets Jul 23 19:49:18 itsrumsey: what? Jul 23 19:49:57 whats going on, where's your pandora? Jul 23 19:50:26 itsrumsey: thanks ill go take a look Jul 23 19:50:46 itsrumsey: atm looks pretty good Jul 23 19:50:50 itsrumsey, i did.. but it expired afaik Jul 23 19:51:58 itsrumsey: no pandora lol Jul 23 19:52:56 spaztik: ah.. well if you get a lot of use out of task manager (i know i do), autostarts is worth the dollar or whatever it costs Jul 23 19:53:28 Spyrorocks: http://androidandme.com/2009/07/reviews/htc-hero-inspired-widgets-available-in-the-android-market/ Jul 23 19:53:56 itsrumsey: the overclock widget even has a hero theme available in the options Jul 23 19:54:28 Ah yeah I don't use hero theme buy Spyrorocks was asking where he can find the Hero clock widget Jul 23 19:54:54 yeah I don't want the whole theme, just the widget :) Jul 23 19:54:56 ah, ok Jul 23 19:55:03 It looks very nice and I need a clock+weather widget Jul 23 19:55:18 meh, that was the same clock they used in TF3D Jul 23 19:55:36 link to the widget set? Jul 23 19:55:49 and is the OC widget necessary with all the mods? Jul 23 19:55:54 HTC Hero inspired widgets available in the Android Market Jul 23 19:56:01 did you read the title? lol Jul 23 19:56:09 no, the OC widget isnt necessary at all Jul 23 19:56:15 i'm just saying it has a hero theme Jul 23 19:56:37 Spyrorocks theres also http://lock2.wordpress.com/ Jul 23 19:56:49 * ctate parses "OC" as Ocean City, then as Orange County Jul 23 19:56:52 http://www.cyrket.com/package/com.androidapps.widget.weather2 Jul 23 19:57:00 has anyone switched from a hero build to a non hero buold like mytouchskiv or similar? Jul 23 19:57:07 lol Jul 23 19:57:14 OC is oxycontin, ctate Jul 23 19:57:19 ah, of course. Jul 23 19:57:27 oc80s Jul 23 19:57:32 never heard someone say they were poppin oc's? :P Jul 23 19:57:41 nope Jul 23 19:57:44 ...oh Jul 23 19:57:46 nvm then Jul 23 19:57:48 * ctate is too pure. Jul 23 19:57:52 hmm Jul 23 19:57:53 haha Jul 23 19:58:12 lol Jul 23 19:58:43 yuck Jul 23 19:58:48 ? Jul 23 19:59:20 percs make me ralph :p Jul 23 19:59:31 WHY do i keep needing to terminate this fucking application Jul 23 19:59:39 it pops up again 15 seconds later Jul 23 19:59:50 hmm... which widgets are free and nice lookin? damn Jul 23 19:59:51 aha! TommyBres you should have been here 15 minutes ago Jul 23 19:59:58 I have a solution for problems like that Jul 23 20:00:00 lol why's that Jul 23 20:00:07 OH YA? what, besides uninstalling Jul 23 20:00:13 haha, let me scroll up Jul 23 20:00:27 this is a kickass app, but it's a NEWS APP, NY Times, and it just keeps running in the background Jul 23 20:00:35 02:30:47 itsrumsey There were ALWAYS apps starting up at random times I could enver figure out, now not only do I know why and when, but I can stop them as well. Just fantastic. Jul 23 20:00:37 there's ZERO reason for a NY Times app to be running all the time Jul 23 20:00:40 02:27:06 itsrumsey http://www.cyrket.com/package/com.elsdoerfer.android.autostarts has quickly become an application I will never understood how I lived without Jul 23 20:01:01 lol Jul 23 20:01:11 ORLY? Jul 23 20:01:22 appearntly there are like 80 some odd triggers than can start apps on the android Jul 23 20:01:32 this will let you look at all of them, see what apps start when, and disable them. Jul 23 20:01:32 so you want me to pay to install another app to run in the background at all times to tell me what other apps are running in the background at all times :) Jul 23 20:01:47 it doesn't run in the background at all times, smartass :) Jul 23 20:01:51 it only runs when you run it Jul 23 20:02:15 haha oh ok Jul 23 20:02:15 I'm not saying you have to pay, I'm just saying it does what you are asking and android lacks the functionality out of the box Jul 23 20:02:19 wow, htc hero interface video looks pretty smooth :) Jul 23 20:02:26 lianj: that's the idea ;) Jul 23 20:03:29 yo does anyone know where i can get the radio and spl to run with mytouchskiv? im on a hero rom and i want to go back to a faster one. Jul 23 20:03:51 heatX: if you're on hero already, you shouldnt need to change the spl or radio to switch roms Jul 23 20:04:15 well i'm running this rom on my g1 Jul 23 20:04:30 and i had to switch my radio and spl in order to run this rom Jul 23 20:05:18 Still should be okay Jul 23 20:05:31 whatever you do, do notttt change the radio before the SPL Jul 23 20:05:42 hero requires the new spl you flashed, but all the older roms should still work with that new spl Jul 23 20:05:45 pssh Jul 23 20:05:49 i don't believe in paying Jul 23 20:05:56 TommyBres: dont like the overuse of widgets but it looks snappy Jul 23 20:06:17 lianj: it's HTC, it always looks snappy until you actually use it Jul 23 20:06:27 so true Jul 23 20:06:36 spaztik: can i pm you? Jul 23 20:06:41 :) yes Jul 23 20:06:46 (TF3D looked amazing, then the euro GSM touch pro came out and everyone on xda was all "THIS LAGS SO BAD IT'S UNUSABLE, RAWRRR") Jul 23 20:07:04 well when i flashed this new radio and spl (before installing the hero rom) the phone wasnt able to boot until i installed the hero rom Jul 23 20:07:08 just went straight to recovery Jul 23 20:07:19 ...let go of home :) Jul 23 20:08:04 you sound like a 10 year old, im just trying to get a little help here Jul 23 20:08:05 are the common widgets more resource hungry? Jul 23 20:08:28 10 year olds know how to boot to recovery? Jul 23 20:08:35 damn, this new generation has some smart kids, lemme tell ya Jul 23 20:09:12 heatX: who are you talking to? the reason it didn't boot is ebcause the spl repartitions your system. you should be able to install any old rom now, like i was saying though Jul 23 20:09:23 TommyBres: just need to teach your kids how to research on read/learn on the web. damn easy education ^^ Jul 23 20:09:33 lol Jul 23 20:09:50 yeah, instead of putting them through school i'll sit them at a computer and say "LEARN HISTORY" Jul 23 20:10:04 thanks itsrumsey Jul 23 20:10:06 so, are themes like a whole rom? or replaced apps? Jul 23 20:10:21 err, neither really... Jul 23 20:10:29 assets then? Jul 23 20:10:39 *shrug* Jul 23 20:10:59 i don't know a whole lot about them but all that really changes are the icons, notification bar, etc... apps are all the same Jul 23 20:11:24 and it runs on top of a rom, thats why theyre made specifically for different roms Jul 23 20:12:05 wouldnt Android be just great on the Samsung Pixon12. and with the Sense UI ! :) Jul 23 20:12:44 i think the new xperia is going to be the phone to have Jul 23 20:13:08 oh? Jul 23 20:13:09 4" capacitive WVGA screen, 8MP camera Jul 23 20:13:14 o.O Jul 23 20:13:15 android? Jul 23 20:13:19 of course! Jul 23 20:13:28 http://phandroid.com/2009/07/21/sony-ericsson-xperia-x3-android-with-specs-pics/ Jul 23 20:13:33 no keyboard, other than that it's perfect Jul 23 20:13:41 seems like skinning could use another look Jul 23 20:13:45 ie, it's done wrong Jul 23 20:14:16 any one know what processor is used in the Pixon12? and how much RAM? Jul 23 20:14:28 as its not actually out yet Jul 23 20:14:39 i'm guessing a quick google search could come up with something :P Jul 23 20:14:41 <[47]> asdf Jul 23 20:14:46 Pixon12? Jul 23 20:14:51 Samsung Jul 23 20:15:10 i've googled quite a bit to find out but nothing really Jul 23 20:15:21 150MB internal storage, thats all i can find Jul 23 20:15:26 http://www.obsessable.com/cell-phone/samsung-pixon-12/specs/ Jul 23 20:15:31 thats what i mean lol Jul 23 20:15:41 http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_m8910_pixon12-2813.php Jul 23 20:16:08 still no RAM or processor listed yet Jul 23 20:16:17 nope Jul 23 20:16:35 anyways back to things that matter, that xperia X3 is going to be ILL Jul 23 20:16:56 Yeah I was checking out that xperia the other day, looks like its goign to be pricey as hell Jul 23 20:17:00 with that camera and screen Jul 23 20:17:05 its a bigger screen than iphone! Jul 23 20:17:21 150MB doesn't seem like enough Jul 23 20:17:24 by a lot... Jul 23 20:17:30 touch HD has a bigger screen than iphone too though Jul 23 20:17:31 also, uhm Jul 23 20:17:40 the sony does look quite nice Jul 23 20:17:50 i dunno about you guys, but i'm not too pumped about a screen i have to replace in a few months because of burnout Jul 23 20:17:56 hit's all of my must have, hopefully it has at least 256MB ram Jul 23 20:17:57 Any G1 users with a need for Microsoft Exchange support? Jul 23 20:18:14 nope, comes with cyanogen's roms :) Jul 23 20:18:18 i.e., not a fan of AMOLED :/ Jul 23 20:18:26 trigatch4: yes, me and everyone I know Jul 23 20:18:28 "Work Email" app Jul 23 20:18:31 it's resistive too Jul 23 20:18:38 zinx i'm pretty sure amoled screens last more than a few months Jul 23 20:18:40 itsrumsey - i have an APK file that will give you access Jul 23 20:18:45 zinx what's resistive? the SE? no Jul 23 20:18:48 yeah I'm using the "Work Email" too, but I'm not sure it supports push Jul 23 20:18:48 i've got that apk. Jul 23 20:18:50 i need someone to do a video review of it on phandroid Jul 23 20:18:56 so i can write an article about it Jul 23 20:18:58 you down? Jul 23 20:19:02 itsrumsey, yeah not push, it's poll Jul 23 20:19:06 trigatch4: whats it called? Jul 23 20:19:08 and doesn't support rules either :S Jul 23 20:19:10 TommyBres: the Pixon12 Jul 23 20:19:11 is it your app, or ripped from a rom? Jul 23 20:19:15 its not on the market Jul 23 20:19:18 trigatch4, you can use funambol on your desktop and have it push the emails to you Jul 23 20:19:20 oh, alright zinx Jul 23 20:19:39 TommyBres: OLEDs do have burnout Jul 23 20:19:42 rob i'd totally be down for that but i have no camcorder... other than my G1 Jul 23 20:19:57 trigatch4, where did you get said apk? Jul 23 20:19:59 amoled used less power Jul 23 20:20:08 *uses Jul 23 20:20:18 poningru: internets Jul 23 20:20:23 no backlight required Jul 23 20:20:28 TommyBres: unfortunately that means you can't display the same thing on the screen all the time or it'll burn in :/ Jul 23 20:20:31 but... but ... the internets is for porn Jul 23 20:20:50 you cant get useful stuff on there Jul 23 20:20:55 10,000:1 contrast ratio Jul 23 20:20:56 yes, but this app is porn to some people Jul 23 20:21:04 descention, including I Jul 23 20:21:05 16 million colours Jul 23 20:21:07 point taken Jul 23 20:21:08 carry on Jul 23 20:21:11 haha Jul 23 20:21:12 zinx: ohwellz Jul 23 20:21:24 trigatch4, link? Jul 23 20:21:31 trigatch4, do you run phandroid? Jul 23 20:22:20 poningru: PM'd link Jul 23 20:22:33 anyone else want the link? Jul 23 20:22:36 descention, danke Jul 23 20:22:48 poningru: he does Jul 23 20:23:05 link for what? Jul 23 20:23:10 i missed exactly what it is Jul 23 20:23:15 exchange app Jul 23 20:23:23 for emailin peoples Jul 23 20:23:24 * TommyBres poops on engadget Jul 23 20:24:03 descention, sure Jul 23 20:24:18 sent Jul 23 20:25:44 yes i run phandroid Jul 23 20:25:51 sweet, will check it out Jul 23 20:26:05 just flashed a skin, and taknig forever to boot :S Jul 23 20:26:07 i currently have it installed, and it works nicely Jul 23 20:26:16 the Hero ROM is actually the Android OS with the Sense UI? I dont know much about ROMS :O Jul 23 20:26:18 adb install it, or push it to place? Jul 23 20:26:28 B1OS, yes Jul 23 20:26:34 B1OS: obviously it's android lol Jul 23 20:26:36 and other apps replaced Jul 23 20:26:48 i know its Android Jul 23 20:27:01 spaztik: i did an adb install Jul 23 20:28:39 we have a traitor in our midst! Jul 23 20:28:43 so ROMS are basically distros? Jul 23 20:28:47 -- noahdroid is now known as iNoah Jul 23 20:28:48 heh Jul 23 20:29:00 normally I'm just "noah" but someone else already stole my nick Jul 23 20:29:14 whenever I read your name I think of Noah from phonedog Jul 23 20:29:16 stole it? so... you didn't register it? Jul 23 20:29:29 lol noah from phonedog Jul 23 20:29:31 that guy is the man Jul 23 20:29:38 no, back in the day there was no such thing Jul 23 20:29:46 been ircing since 1988 Jul 23 20:29:54 :D Jul 23 20:30:01 we're in the future now, and such things do exist Jul 23 20:30:07 Yeah I'm sure plenty of people have the name Noah, its just the one I associate it with Jul 23 20:30:07 yeah, but too late for me now Jul 23 20:30:08 wazzat NoahfromPhonedog Jul 23 20:30:12 LOL IRC was around in 1988? Jul 23 20:30:22 * NoahfromPhonedog was brought into this earth in 1988 Jul 23 20:30:24 irc started in 87, I think Jul 23 20:30:32 hmm.. when trying to do an adb install i get Insufficient Space... but ihave 40mb free.. wtf Jul 23 20:30:46 spaztik: stop trying to install it to /boot Jul 23 20:30:51 you're only trying to install one file at a time, right? Jul 23 20:30:51 ? Jul 23 20:30:54 I've gotten that error before trying to reinstall google maps Jul 23 20:31:08 descention, hmm i did adb install *, i can try 1 at a time Jul 23 20:31:21 yeah, multiple installs at a time never worked for me Jul 23 20:31:28 ah yeah that was it Jul 23 20:31:29 strange Jul 23 20:31:55 iNoah, heh yeah the guy registered his nick back on 03 Jul 23 20:32:05 iNoah: i know you Jul 23 20:32:05 you sit in the twit irc room Jul 23 20:32:12 I do? Jul 23 20:32:26 I thought previously I was mostly in #emacs Jul 23 20:32:32 no Jul 23 20:32:52 iNoah, you're not who you think you are Jul 23 20:33:16 well, I never did get an explanation for those mysterious blackouts Jul 23 20:33:26 isn't it possible to change the notification ringtone to something other than the defaults? Jul 23 20:33:40 belated, it's called "internet relay chat" because it was an internet-based clone of an earlier chat system called "relay" Jul 23 20:33:53 which ran on BITNET and possibly others Jul 23 20:34:12 bitnet Jul 23 20:34:22 help i'm getting double colon flashbacks Jul 23 20:34:28 any idea? o_o Jul 23 20:34:39 heh. I still know one guy who gets his mail via uucp Jul 23 20:34:45 I stopped doing that in 2000 Jul 23 20:35:56 descention, what does that app install as? Jul 23 20:35:57 well dammit, now that I'm actually hooked up to a computer where i can run logcat, I can't reproduce the bug I was getting earlier Jul 23 20:35:59 figures. Jul 23 20:36:13 =( can I change my sms ringtone? Jul 23 20:36:19 spaztik: "Work Email" Jul 23 20:36:19 I feel like a ploptard. Jul 23 20:36:28 oh, that's already on cyan's images Jul 23 20:36:35 I a a ploptard, aren't I? Jul 23 20:36:39 a a. Jul 23 20:36:41 h Jul 23 20:36:44 . Jul 23 20:36:51 apfelsaft: change the notification tone in your settings Jul 23 20:36:55 or, use ChompSMS Jul 23 20:36:59 all I see is the default ones Jul 23 20:37:04 spaztik: i don't have cyan's images Jul 23 20:37:08 none of the mp3s I've loaded on Jul 23 20:37:13 thankyou rumsey =) Jul 23 20:37:21 apfelsaft: hmm.. use Ringroid to save it as a notification Jul 23 20:37:24 itsrumsey, i think i like the original skin :S Jul 23 20:37:30 this one isn't bad, but not my fave Jul 23 20:37:36 I just like the app launcher Jul 23 20:37:39 and notification bar Jul 23 20:37:45 one of these days i'm going to break down and build a skin, as well as some apps Jul 23 20:38:02 anyone know if there is an IRC client for android? Jul 23 20:38:13 spaztik, you and me both Jul 23 20:38:27 heh Jul 23 20:38:29 and me 3 Jul 23 20:38:39 ocrob, http://androidirc.net/ Jul 23 20:38:43 maybe we could build somethin together Jul 23 20:38:48 although, i'm really anal about my code Jul 23 20:38:56 spaztik, fine by me Jul 23 20:38:57 maybe we can build everything Jul 23 20:39:12 I like people who are anal about their code Jul 23 20:39:16 I would like to be too Jul 23 20:39:23 unfortunately too much of a slacker to do it Jul 23 20:39:30 I'm anal about commenting, if you don't comment your code I will punch you right in the dick Jul 23 20:39:33 apfelsaft: download tonepicker from the market Jul 23 20:39:35 lol Jul 23 20:39:46 that will let you use any audio file on your sd card Jul 23 20:40:03 brb Jul 23 20:40:18 or put it in the right structure on your sdcard Jul 23 20:40:20 bbl going to buy a tg/wand and a few cat5e terms Jul 23 20:40:31 what, you can't use mp3s as notification sounds by default? hmm. Jul 23 20:40:41 you can if you put them in the right place Jul 23 20:40:47 thanks noah thats great Jul 23 20:40:53 but you have to choose whether they're going to be ring tones, notification tones, al;alarms, etc. Jul 23 20:40:53 i have a bunch of cat6 keystones if anyone wants to buy 'em :) Jul 23 20:40:56 tonepicker is more flexible Jul 23 20:41:03 i guess you can use any sound as a ringtone Jul 23 20:41:06 and 1 or 2 keystone plates Jul 23 20:41:09 as long as it shows up in the Music app Jul 23 20:41:14 but not as other kinds of sound Jul 23 20:42:08 Yeah unless they are in the audio/alarms/notifications/ringtones subfolders Jul 23 20:42:41 once my G1 rotates, it doesn't rotate back, and stays stuck in portait mode Jul 23 20:42:46 someone said there's a way to force the g1 to prefer 3g? Jul 23 20:42:59 yeah.. uncheck the Always Use 2G setting Jul 23 20:43:20 it always prefers 3G unless you've forced it to limit to 2G Jul 23 20:43:50 i have someone telling me they have forced it to use 3g always unless there's no 3g available at all Jul 23 20:43:55 if you could force that, you could write a paper that would fascinate everyone in the cryptographic community. Jul 23 20:44:11 http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f28/forcing-g1-into-3g-w-anycut-13918/ Jul 23 20:44:12 thoraxe, that's how it works in android Jul 23 20:44:35 oh, interesting Jul 23 20:45:08 anyone know default 3 panel wallpaper size? im gonna knock a few up Jul 23 20:45:13 just off the top of your head Jul 23 20:45:17 i can start the phone up in landscape mode Jul 23 20:45:17 it "prefers" 3g until it decides that 2g/edge is "stronger", or so i am being told Jul 23 20:45:20 i believe they're 640x480 Jul 23 20:45:24 but if i run anything in portrait Jul 23 20:45:25 each? Jul 23 20:45:27 yes Jul 23 20:45:31 ta :) Jul 23 20:45:34 it wont go back Jul 23 20:45:36 hmm... i see it hop from time to time, but never enough to annoy me Jul 23 20:45:37 wait, what do you mean by "each"? Jul 23 20:45:41 per panel Jul 23 20:45:42 you can make them x480 Jul 23 20:46:00 spaztik: it would annoy you if you had to keep a data connection open to keep an ssh tunnel alive Jul 23 20:46:02 it will scroll such that when you're on the left screen, you see the far left of the wallpaper Jul 23 20:46:03 i dunno about the panel thing Jul 23 20:46:08 thoraxe, i do Jul 23 20:46:11 the built-in wallpapers have a total dimension of 640x480 Jul 23 20:46:11 but i also use screen Jul 23 20:46:11 when you're in the middle, you see the middle, and when you're at the right, you see the far right Jul 23 20:46:12 i just mean for wallpapers Jul 23 20:46:12 spaztik: or if you were driving and listening to music streaming over 3g Jul 23 20:46:33 when i tdecides that 3g isn't strong enough and switches to 2g your data connection changes Jul 23 20:46:39 so if you use 960x480, the background will be precisely synced with the icon movement when you switch screens Jul 23 20:46:41 my question is -- do you NEED anycut to get to this menu? Jul 23 20:46:42 mine doesn't ever do that Jul 23 20:46:48 thoraxe: i think you do, actually Jul 23 20:46:48 maybe because I live in dallas Jul 23 20:46:49 yeah mine either Jul 23 20:46:52 itsrumsey: mine does it all the time Jul 23 20:46:53 itsrumsey, no shit? me too Jul 23 20:46:58 ctate: you do need anycut? Jul 23 20:46:58 at 640x480, the background will give a parallax effect, w/ the background moving slower than the icons Jul 23 20:47:00 i don't think that action is exposed in the settings UI Jul 23 20:47:02 Cool, what part Jul 23 20:47:04 spaz / itsrumsey where do you guys live? Jul 23 20:47:04 at >960, the bg will move faster Jul 23 20:47:08 i LIVE in murphy Jul 23 20:47:10 in atlanta the 3g network is weird at best Jul 23 20:47:12 work in Farmer's Branch Jul 23 20:47:14 ctate: you don't Jul 23 20:47:14 (because in general it's a bad idea) Jul 23 20:47:14 so 960x480 is best to make wallpapers with 3 parts? and im guessing its 72dpi Jul 23 20:47:16 near addisson Jul 23 20:47:19 ctate: there's a "secret" code Jul 23 20:47:21 Ah I live in ft Worth, work in HEB Jul 23 20:47:27 apfelsaft: it's something >100dpi Jul 23 20:47:29 used to live in bedford :D Jul 23 20:47:36 sounds like you guys have bigger/stronger 3g networks than atlanta Jul 23 20:47:45 if the radio firmware doesn't think it should use 3G, you probably don't want to be using it Jul 23 20:47:47 apeiron: but you shouldn't need to care about the dpi Jul 23 20:47:54 yeah you'll be draining your power faster Jul 23 20:47:54 cool Jul 23 20:47:55 thoraxe: 3G is really crappy in my house Jul 23 20:47:55 are the default ones on the phone just jpegs, + can I access them to use as templates? Jul 23 20:48:01 zinx, I don't, I promise! :) Jul 23 20:48:03 apfelsaft: they are Jul 23 20:48:03 once in a while i even drop down to GPRS there Jul 23 20:48:06 damnit I really have to work now if I'm ever going home Jul 23 20:48:13 apeiron: oops ;D Jul 23 20:48:18 being in 3G mode uses *way* more power than 2G Jul 23 20:48:34 esp if it struggles to get a signal i'm sure Jul 23 20:48:36 it's on the order of wifi Jul 23 20:49:07 where on the fs are they? Jul 23 20:49:18 power / battery doesn't really concern me as i sit at a desk all day Jul 23 20:49:23 and leave the phone plugged in Jul 23 20:49:29 but my office has weird 3g coverage Jul 23 20:49:55 i never thought i would tether, but i'v been doing so every day on teh way to and from work while my wife drives Jul 23 20:49:55 sounds like you need those 2600ma batteries Jul 23 20:49:59 (we carpool) Jul 23 20:50:31 yay Jul 23 20:50:36 htc finally released an update Jul 23 20:50:45 uh.. yup, can't find those jpegs. Jul 23 20:50:47 did jf make an update already? Jul 23 20:50:47 o_O Jul 23 20:51:21 nope Jul 23 20:52:15 in fact the only jpgs or jpegs I can find are the camera ones Jul 23 20:53:20 png Jul 23 20:53:38 Ok, where are all the compcache users, voice you findings, i think using compcache runs down the battery faster Jul 23 20:53:41 i mean to say, have you checked those? Jul 23 20:53:59 twois10, i duno.. since i've gone to 3.6.8.1, it's lasted a lot longer for me Jul 23 20:54:19 spaztik: what's your compcache settings? Jul 23 20:54:21 80 Jul 23 20:54:38 80/32Mb? Jul 23 20:54:54 yeah Jul 23 20:55:01 I am using 32/32MB Jul 23 20:55:14 i am thinking 16/16MB Jul 23 20:55:26 i was trying to drain my batt to get it to detect better Jul 23 20:55:36 last night i went to bed with it at 2%, woke up, still at 2%, took another 2 hours to die Jul 23 20:55:53 normally my phone reports on the hour drive to work to drop 3-4% Jul 23 20:56:08 http://pastebin.com/m7ea7cc68 Jul 23 20:56:13 i rebooted like 4 or 5 min ago Jul 23 20:56:20 i lied Jul 23 20:56:24 14min according to uptime Jul 23 20:56:32 let me paste mine Jul 23 20:56:58 so if i'm reading that, I'm using 6.3mb? Jul 23 20:57:03 hey anyone here using google voice know how to send bulk sms? I Want to notify a bunch of people in my contact list at the same time of my new number but it seems to only let me add one person. Jul 23 20:57:16 I tried on my phone with the google voice app and on the webpage google.com/voice Jul 23 20:57:22 spaztik: http://pastebin.com/m243c9cc4 Jul 23 20:57:56 Haraken - use a ; in between contacts in the messaging app's "to" list Jul 23 20:58:07 http://pastebin.com/m471fc4a5 my prcess list Jul 23 20:58:20 actually, just a comma , Jul 23 20:58:35 EugeneKay, once I add the first contact it won't let me add a comma or semi colon like the normal messaging app does Jul 23 20:58:43 spaztik: yes, it compressed 16mb to 6mb Jul 23 20:58:51 So use the messaging app. Jul 23 20:58:51 so I can send the mess message, but not with my google voice number Jul 23 20:59:03 I dont want people know I still have the old number. :/ Jul 23 20:59:12 Or do it from within voice.google.ocm Jul 23 20:59:16 well i'll keep an eye on it, maybe change it later.. atm it seems to be goin great Jul 23 20:59:18 tried that too :) Jul 23 20:59:27 Stab google in the fact :-p\ Jul 23 20:59:31 sweet Jul 23 20:59:35 i haven't done that yet :D Jul 23 21:00:09 i used gstrings last night for the first time... it's a lil picky, but damn it's great Jul 23 21:00:12 I'm using Google Voice as a glorified answeing machine myself. Jul 23 21:00:41 spaztik: so you are saying using compcache has no negative effect on your battery...? Jul 23 21:01:59 hi all Jul 23 21:04:20 twois10, well i've only been running it for a fully day, today is my 2nd day.. but i haven't noticed anything Jul 23 21:04:25 i'll report back tomorrow Jul 23 21:04:31 i've just tried to get a location, which i added to an appointment in the calendar, to automatically display it on google maps. but that seems not to work on the android, thus it does on gmaps when dispaying the calendar eg in ff Jul 23 21:08:25 EugeneKay: does yours ring like forever even after you reject the call? Jul 23 21:08:34 is there no way to redirect directly to gv voice mail? Jul 23 21:08:40 Yeah Jul 23 21:08:44 Turn on Do Not Disturb mode Jul 23 21:08:58 ahhh Jul 23 21:08:59 sweet Jul 23 21:09:01 okay Jul 23 21:09:03 thanks Jul 23 21:09:06 I have my cell phone numbers set to use my google voice number as their forward-to for voicemail Jul 23 21:09:21 Then it rings at google voice for about 2 seconds before reading my GV voicemail message Jul 23 21:09:41 * AakashPatel redownloads google voice app Jul 23 21:12:56 uhh Jul 23 21:13:02 how do i turn on do not distrub mode lol Jul 23 21:13:03 ? Jul 23 21:13:05 Oh Jul 23 21:13:16 Go to voce.google.com --> settings Jul 23 21:13:22 ohh Jul 23 21:13:26 i was in the app XD Jul 23 21:13:27 It's on General tab Jul 23 21:13:31 Yeah it ain't in there Jul 23 21:13:39 The only thing I use the app for is the voicemail Jul 23 21:13:56 ahh Jul 23 21:13:58 isee Jul 23 21:14:14 once GV gets another version or two i'll switch to using it as my primary number Jul 23 21:14:25 * AakashPatel wants mms Jul 23 21:14:29 then ill swtich :) Jul 23 21:15:32 ok, let me rephrase my earlier question. Jul 23 21:15:57 is it somehow possible to get androids calendar to display an appointments location in google maps? Jul 23 21:16:18 i know it is possible when using google maps on a pc Jul 23 21:18:10 hi, hmm Android can't display hebrew letters, which would be a problem if I could read hebrew :-) Jul 23 21:18:22 shalom Jul 23 21:18:29 ma nishma? Jul 23 21:18:49 darweth: not in latin letters Jul 23 21:19:05 okay, i can't read hebrew either. Jul 23 21:19:33 darweth: so it doesn't really matter if I see boxes or real letters, just looks odd Jul 23 21:19:41 I haven't been able to figure out how to force specific apps to use different fonts Jul 23 21:19:46 I'm guessing they're hardwired. sigh. Jul 23 21:20:23 and I'm wondering why Android didn't get a nice fullblown unicode font Jul 23 21:20:28 (and before you say "theme" at me: that's just changing the hardwired defaults) Jul 23 21:21:19 well, there aren't many truly complete unicode fonts out there. Jul 23 21:21:25 Is anybody else running the latest Cyanogen build experiencing *dramatically* reduced battery life as compared to previous revisions? Jul 23 21:21:30 I also suspect android doesn't do right-to-left writing very well yet Jul 23 21:21:48 Really? Android is in Japanand China Jul 23 21:22:02 iNoah: I think you are right on that Jul 23 21:22:11 chinese/japanese are left->right or up->down, aren't they? Jul 23 21:22:12 I forget if Chinese read right-to-left Jul 23 21:22:22 Oh wait, nevermind. Jul 23 21:22:27 It is in pages, not in type. Jul 23 21:22:48 Wait, what? I will shut up now. Jul 23 21:23:09 hmm, I would like to set English as language but keep a German keyboard Jul 23 21:23:19 that is not possible yet :-( Jul 23 21:23:20 well Jul 23 21:23:22 igashu: consensus is the battery meter is incredibly unreliable Jul 23 21:23:30 not just in cyanogen but in cupcake in general Jul 23 21:23:34 generally things are read right->left when they are written vertically Jul 23 21:23:40 The battery itself sucks Jul 23 21:23:51 Buy an extended one and just leave the phone plugged in when you can Jul 23 21:23:52 but left->right when written horizontally (modern style) Jul 23 21:24:06 EugeneKay: which phone? Jul 23 21:24:28 tbo - the Dream / G1 Jul 23 21:24:31 Igashu: Thanks for the clarification. Jul 23 21:24:40 igashu: well that makes it simple then, since android just has to implement the modern convention Jul 23 21:24:50 EugeneKay: That's not really a helpful answer ;) I'm talking about 3.6.8.1 having less than half the battery life of the 3.6.7 Jul 23 21:25:12 EugeneKay: I see, I have the Galaxy and currently it sucks but battery training it should get better, if those people on the forums are right Jul 23 21:25:13 Igashu - so switch to a build that doesn't, you know, suck. Jul 23 21:25:21 darweth: Chinese can either be left-to-right horizontal lines or top-to-bottom vertical lines (but the lines start on the right and go toward the left of the page) Jul 23 21:25:35 ^ Jul 23 21:25:55 cyan did suggest deleting /data/system/batterystats.bin and rebooting Jul 23 21:25:56 hmmm Jul 23 21:26:02 that might correct some of the misreporting. Jul 23 21:27:26 iNoah I will give that a try; I was just surprised, went from 90% to the "you're almost totally effed" < 5% battery icon in just a few hours Jul 23 21:27:34 where normally it'd last me all day Jul 23 21:27:59 yeah i think i'm gunna have to do that Jul 23 21:28:09 the battery meter seems to be totally unreliable Jul 23 21:28:12 cuz last night i went from 2% at 10pm, and this morning at 9am it was still at 2% Jul 23 21:28:18 took 2 hours to die Jul 23 21:28:43 i just fuckin whooped some 3gs users on page loads and app times with cyan's 3.9 image Jul 23 21:28:47 cyanogen ... ^^^^^^^^^ Jul 23 21:28:58 Well, the most unfortunate part about it is it basically nullifies the usefulness of power manager profiles ;P Jul 23 21:29:11 if your 30% profile kicks in when it's really still at 80% Jul 23 21:29:12 dude Jul 23 21:29:18 EugeneKay: my gv is totally f'ed up Jul 23 21:29:21 mine died after ten hours of not using the phone to call anyone but I guess I found one guilty thing, the twiter client I used prevented the phone from going to sleep Jul 23 21:29:23 yeah, it sucks. from what I hear it's not just cyan's builds that have the problem. cupcake in general is flaky about battery reporting Jul 23 21:29:38 spaz: 3.9 worth updating to or is there anything really rough around the edges about it? Jul 23 21:29:53 Igashu, supposedly the luancher is beta, but it works fine for me Jul 23 21:29:57 spaztik: 3gs has the bandwidth problems the earlier ones do? Jul 23 21:29:59 i haven't had any crashes, waits, etc Jul 23 21:30:10 tmzt, bandwidth problems? Jul 23 21:30:18 duno, we used wifi and 3g, and i was faster on both Jul 23 21:30:26 well, the radio was connected over spi I think Jul 23 21:30:27 with 3.9 I had some intermittent disconnected socket problems this morning but now I can't reproduce the problem Jul 23 21:30:40 at least people claimed the 3g was slow Jul 23 21:30:51 AND, in about 50% of the cases, my phone loaded the full site faster than the iphone loading the mobile version Jul 23 21:31:00 though it could be that no one uses t-mobile 3g Jul 23 21:31:05 the other 50%, i was still faster, but went to mobile sites as well Jul 23 21:31:21 One thing I've noticed more recently that I don't recall so much in the past is much more pronounced wait/crashiness when going in and out of service areas Jul 23 21:31:47 Like while it's getting a connection again (or losing it) you basically just have to step away from the phone Jul 23 21:31:48 Android/G1 shouldn't care, the radio handles that Jul 23 21:31:50 hehe Jul 23 21:32:02 actually iPhone might be the same but I don't know Jul 23 21:32:25 where *is* the radio image stored on the phone? It's not in one of the mtd partitions that I can tell Jul 23 21:32:32 the iPhone has no full HSPA implementation, just HSDPA, no HSUPA Jul 23 21:32:33 is there some other flash area? Jul 23 21:33:01 it's in the same flash, but linux can't see it (it can but it's not in the partition table and there's some kind of protection) Jul 23 21:33:14 it's inaccessible even through mtd6? Jul 23 21:33:32 oh, I see Jul 23 21:33:33 tbo: the 3g chip is still really underpowered (the infineon chip) Jul 23 21:33:51 tbo: OTOH HSDPA is way more widely deployed by the networks. Jul 23 21:33:53 iNoah: There was some thread I saw on XDA a few weeks back about someone hacking the radio to support other GSM frequencies Jul 23 21:34:02 So it must be accessible somewhere Jul 23 21:34:16 yacc: but they starting with HSUPA Jul 23 21:34:40 yacc: maybe not E-Plus in Germany but they don't even have HSDPA Jul 23 21:35:28 tbo: well Eplus is a special case at best Jul 23 21:36:57 anyone using the jacheroski 2.7.4r2? confused about what to do with the compcache.. it says not to use userinit.sh, but then it talks about SWAP specifically Jul 23 21:37:05 tbo, Eplus is more of a auxilary connectivity solution, not the real thing ;) Jul 23 21:37:32 yacc: my bad is, my working place is a big massive warehouse and about 25 metres away from the windows, not much o2 coverage available so it always jumps out of the 3G into the GSM, so I deactivated 3G today but got just 10 hours anyway Jul 23 21:38:09 tbo, I remember when I was a customer, I seem to have been extraordinary lucky, they've had a network problem once a week on average, no matter what city I've been in ;) Jul 23 21:39:40 yacc__: hmm, I had different idea with o2, when I became a customer, their network wasn't even close nationwide, so they got national roaming with T-Mobile, but in a little which wasn't covered than, I got a native signal Jul 23 21:39:58 yacc__: that was in Goslar in 1999 Jul 23 21:40:33 tbo, well, I've been using FONIC which seems to be o2 based for the last 9 months and had no really bad experiences. Jul 23 21:40:41 (Karlsruhe) Jul 23 21:41:18 yacc__: the network is not bad and now they invest a lot of money to get away from T-Mobile Jul 23 21:42:01 yacc__: only problem: Intercity and ICE trains, which have mostly no o2 repeaters on board Jul 23 21:43:37 well trains are a painful experience Jul 23 21:44:00 No matter what network Jul 23 21:44:45 in practice, even using a foreign sim that can roam on all local networks, one is often out of coverage :( Jul 23 21:45:29 yacc: in most ICE trains are repeaters in a few cars Jul 23 21:46:26 yacc: but since the Deutsche Bahn has problems with their tires ... Jul 23 21:52:17 anyway, I wonder when networks will discover railways Jul 23 21:52:50 E-Plus put its network into the Berlin underground rail Jul 23 21:52:54 I personally find flying on most inner eu destinations just tiresome Jul 23 21:53:33 hi guys Jul 23 21:53:46 are there any alternatives to google maps for android? Jul 23 21:53:59 floppyears: openstreetmap Jul 23 21:54:00 meaning if you go to a place where you don't have wifi or data coverage you could still use a mapping application? Jul 23 21:54:12 tbo: does it have an app for android? Jul 23 21:54:18 network coverage is normal in Vienna's subways Jul 23 21:54:40 yacc: you're lucky in the town that I live, coverage isn't very good :( Jul 23 21:54:55 does anyone know the exact size of the desktop area on the home page? Jul 23 21:55:05 yacc: in Hamburg too but the Hamburg network isn't really deep down, well there is a reason why it is called Hochbahn Jul 23 21:55:10 http://pastebin.ca/1504918 - = standard rom, + rom im trying to port... should i add any of the stuff from the old one to the new im trying to port like theyaffs2 stuff? Jul 23 21:55:13 from under the notification bar to the bottom of the screen? Jul 23 21:55:44 and also the dpi of the screen? Jul 23 21:55:49 if you know the resolution and the size of the notification bar, you can figure it out Jul 23 21:55:49 and yeah that just using diff with the two init.rc Jul 23 21:55:57 that, I do not know kind sir Jul 23 21:57:45 anyone =P ? Jul 23 21:59:24 k4r1m: what's the question exactly? Jul 23 21:59:30 yeah i got lost there too Jul 23 22:00:07 tmzt: trying to port g1 ramdisk to magic and im afraid there might be something magic specific Jul 23 22:00:35 like the yaffs stuff which i dont know what for Jul 23 22:00:38 you pasted the diff? Jul 23 22:00:43 yup Jul 23 22:00:45 Hmm, I wonder what use changing the radio frequency would be Jul 23 22:01:31 the only usage that comes to mind would be GSM-R Jul 23 22:01:45 which kernel are you using? Jul 23 22:01:50 on magic Jul 23 22:02:11 tmzt: the only kernel that is avaliable to the 32a magic which is the htc branded kernel Jul 23 22:02:57 ah, so you probably need the cgroups and cpuctl stuff Jul 23 22:03:08 afaik its big issue is that its missing iptables/netfilter modules nothing else... maybe ext4 Jul 23 22:03:10 can you paste just the yaffs2 stuff you are referring to here? Jul 23 22:03:20 wiat Jul 23 22:03:22 wait Jul 23 22:03:38 ? Jul 23 22:03:44 the order is mostly just different Jul 23 22:03:50 diff doesn't handle that well Jul 23 22:03:57 aw Jul 23 22:03:59 you still need to mount system and data Jul 23 22:04:22 k how about lines like chown system system ... and chown 0777 Jul 23 22:04:23 I don't know what the checkpointing stuff is about but that should match the userland you are using Jul 23 22:04:26 idnetical? Jul 23 22:04:37 those are new Jul 23 22:04:50 you want those, since android init doesn't do permissions Jul 23 22:05:00 you also want the old one chown system system /data Jul 23 22:05:00 which ones i need to use? Jul 23 22:05:08 the old ones? Jul 23 22:05:08 add the cpuctl ones Jul 23 22:05:17 aw i see Jul 23 22:05:27 do i leave the new ones two, or could they create an issue? Jul 23 22:05:40 which ones? Jul 23 22:05:47 the system system ones Jul 23 22:05:49 the chown stuff is harmless Jul 23 22:05:55 you can add all you want Jul 23 22:06:07 how about if i dont add the chown stuff? Jul 23 22:06:11 to the new one? Jul 23 22:06:12 I don't know about BOOTCLASSPATH Jul 23 22:06:16 you might need it Jul 23 22:06:26 if system needs to write cpuctl for instance Jul 23 22:06:40 just add all the chown lines Jul 23 22:06:48 like I said, they won't hurt anything Jul 23 22:06:51 kk Jul 23 22:07:31 and u dont know about the bootclasspath? Jul 23 22:07:38 cuz the old one seems to have extra stuff Jul 23 22:07:41 should i add those? Jul 23 22:08:03 i bet thats the htc branded stuff from the kernel? Jul 23 22:08:08 eas? Jul 23 22:08:13 what do you mean from the kernel? Jul 23 22:08:51 well because the kernel is different Jul 23 22:09:00 could there be kernel specific things on there? Jul 23 22:10:51 tmzt: ? Jul 23 22:11:47 and how about write /proc/sys/net/unix/max_dgram_qlen 999 Jul 23 22:11:47 there could be, but I don't understand what you are asking Jul 23 22:12:18 tmzt: all im asking, is it safe not to add them or not add them? Jul 23 22:12:21 the kernel differences are hardware things and maybe some new features, like that cgroup, etc. stuff Jul 23 22:12:33 those should match the kernel Jul 23 22:13:26 yeah the original one for magic doesnt have the cgroup stuff Jul 23 22:13:49 so mount cgroup none /dev/cpuctl cpu will not work Jul 23 22:13:52 oh, then don't use it Jul 23 22:13:57 right Jul 23 22:14:26 what does that do anyway? Jul 23 22:15:07 cgroup is a way of managing processes as a group Jul 23 22:15:43 it let's the kernel more intellegently shcedule or allocate resources Jul 23 22:16:11 oh dam we should have that >.< Jul 23 22:16:26 it only works if the code is in your kernel to support it Jul 23 22:16:41 and it's not always useful, it has caused a lot of problems on ubuntu for instance Jul 23 22:16:44 yeah since its not in my old init im pretty its not in the kernel Jul 23 22:16:53 it only works if it's configured correctly and usefully Jul 23 22:17:04 how about socket buffer thing? Jul 23 22:17:40 the write /proc/sys/net/unix/max_dgram_qlen 999 Jul 23 22:17:46 hello Jul 23 22:18:22 from what i understand i think its just changes the size of buffer Jul 23 22:18:41 well it says so lol "# enlarge unix socket buffer for BTIPS" Jul 23 22:19:04 that is from the old init not on the new one, should i add it to the new one? Jul 23 22:20:26 hi k4r1m Jul 23 22:21:12 hey Jul 23 22:21:36 tmzt: how about squashfs is that a kernel feature too? Jul 23 22:21:50 it might be Jul 23 22:21:52 Wow. I just found the best site *ever* ... any other devs out there might wanna bookmark it, http://rubular.com/ Jul 23 22:21:57 you can always build a magic kernel Jul 23 22:22:08 just saved me a boatload of time, haha, I hate testing regexes Jul 23 22:22:11 tmzt: not a 32A :( Jul 23 22:22:23 I've been seeing some of the graphics libraries this uses, swell Jul 23 22:22:26 what's a 32A? Jul 23 22:22:40 Viper550: what are you referring to? Jul 23 22:22:45 32A is the board... there is 2 different revs htc branded and google branded Jul 23 22:22:51 Skia Jul 23 22:22:55 yeah, okay Jul 23 22:23:28 no one is able to compile a kernel for 32A because of stuff that htc has added to the kernel that we cant get a hold off Jul 23 22:23:57 since unlike the g1 and 32B 32A has different hardware Jul 23 22:24:25 tmzt: anyway hm would it be any harm if i left the squashfs stuff and turns out the kernel doesnt have it? Jul 23 22:24:38 skia can be used in desktop apps too, right? Jul 23 22:25:10 k4r1m: hold on Jul 23 22:25:19 yeah, the init will fail and you will panic I think Jul 23 22:25:29 it won't harm anything though Jul 23 22:25:41 panic? kernel panic? Jul 23 22:26:03 I don't see squashfs in the paste Jul 23 22:26:04 yes Jul 23 22:26:15 is that an instant crash? Jul 23 22:26:22 tmzt: as you said diff sucks Jul 23 22:26:28 I could be wrong though, it looks like it's possible you could mount your yaffs2 mtd as squash Jul 23 22:26:36 paste the line Jul 23 22:26:43 oh, you really don't want to do that :) Jul 23 22:26:54 squashfs is only usable on a block device, not mtd Jul 23 22:27:12 hold let me paste the 2 files and u can have a better look Jul 23 22:27:20 it should fail because of missing magic though Jul 23 22:28:07 here is the 32a init http://pastebin.ca/1504942 Jul 23 22:28:59 and here is the cyanogen init im trying to port http://pastebin.ca/1504944 Jul 23 22:30:01 I don't see squash either Jul 23 22:30:17 oh, loopmounted squash Jul 23 22:30:27 tmzt line 61 and 62 Jul 23 22:30:29 I though you were trying to use g1 stock on magic Jul 23 22:30:47 # Jul 23 22:30:48 mount squashfs loop@/system/modules/modules.sqf /system/modules ro Jul 23 22:30:48 # mount squashfs loop@/system/xbin/xbin.sqf /system/xbin ro Jul 23 22:30:51 ok Jul 23 22:30:59 is sherpa an app i can put on the G1 if its a stock G1 or do i have to root it? Jul 23 22:31:00 that's fine, if your kernel has sqash Jul 23 22:32:08 since i dont know if it does or it doesnt and i have no way to find out... whats the safest thing to do, leave it or remove it? and my kernel does have it and i removed it what kinda of features will i be missing? Jul 23 22:32:34 because my kernel could have it, maybe htc was just lazy to add it in the init Jul 23 22:32:49 sherpa's pretty slow Jul 23 22:33:00 I prefer google places still Jul 23 22:33:29 does that mean you can't put it on a stocked G1? Jul 23 22:33:31 k4r1m: modules? Jul 23 22:33:37 you can, it just blows Jul 23 22:34:15 tmzt: is that a command or something? Jul 23 22:34:31 it would be nice if htc could figure out how to make their apps a bit more efficient Jul 23 22:34:48 it's a feauture of the rom you are trying to port Jul 23 22:34:52 from what I can read Jul 23 22:35:02 even if it meant writing stuff directly against bionic Jul 23 22:35:15 hey guys, check out trapster, cool app Jul 23 22:35:34 tmzt: im trying to port the full rom but since i have the kernel issue im trying to get every possible feature to work Jul 23 22:35:53 what's the kernel issue? Jul 23 22:36:02 joko: heh Jul 23 22:36:03 that is doesn't support 32a? Jul 23 22:36:25 tmzt: well cm's kernel wont work on 32a Jul 23 22:36:27 iNoah: what? Jul 23 22:36:30 you could try compiling squashfs as a module Jul 23 22:36:39 cyanogen: hey, you here? Jul 23 22:37:17 tmzt: i dont think that will either because of the 32a kernel because some devs have tried adding iptables/netfilter as modules and they failed Jul 23 22:37:58 they probably have the wrong headers then Jul 23 22:38:20 what does squash provide anyway? Jul 23 22:38:29 joko: sorry, wrong channel Jul 23 22:38:29 compressed filesystem Jul 23 22:38:36 you could just use ext2 Jul 23 22:38:39 k4r1m: its very nice Jul 23 22:38:43 <_Auron|G1_> yay sprinkling rain Jul 23 22:39:03 but the speed gains on cy* are proably from squashfs, at least in part Jul 23 22:39:04 tmzt: ok lets just if i dont remove the line will get an issue if the kernel doesnt have squash? Jul 23 22:39:18 build your livecd linux with squashfs and put 4gb+ software on a cd Jul 23 22:39:37 yes, you will probably get a kernel panic Jul 23 22:39:37 also takes care of dublication Jul 23 22:39:48 * Gaap notte/bye Jul 23 22:40:13 tmzt: hm hold on i think i flashed cm on my phone but im sure if i did anything to init Jul 23 22:40:40 yeah i have... i have cm 3.6.8 flashed Jul 23 22:40:44 Hi, I Jul 23 22:40:52 is there a way to see if squash is working and cgroup? Jul 23 22:40:56 Awe crap. Let's try that again.... Jul 23 22:41:25 tmzt: well for once i havnt had panics at all... except a few panics from setcpu but thats not related Jul 23 22:41:52 I'm trying to get the location provider to work in the 1.5 emulator, but it's not working. I feel like I'm missing something obvious. Is there some command line argument you need to give or something for the emulator to work? I've turned on the GPS provider... Jul 23 22:42:08 k4r1m: mount Jul 23 22:43:10 is there a decent gba/gbc emulator with key support for magic? Jul 23 22:43:10 tmzt: http://pastebin.ca/1504967 Jul 23 22:43:23 Also, I'm noticing that the SD card doesn't mount even if I tell it to via the command line....very confusing. Jul 23 22:43:44 k4r1m: that didn't answer your question? Jul 23 22:44:11 it did lol i dont see squash Jul 23 22:44:23 but at the same time i never got a panic Jul 23 22:44:25 is that supposed to be my rom? cause its not Jul 23 22:44:40 cyanogen: hm it is? Jul 23 22:44:47 and if it is, you broke something Jul 23 22:45:23 has anyone used gameboy emulators on android? Jul 23 22:45:28 cyanogen: well the ramdisk from the palm pre theme which is based on your rom, but i didnt think the author would even get close to changing the init...? Jul 23 22:45:38 cyanogen: I'm trying to follow what he's doing Jul 23 22:45:55 cyanogen: what did i break? Jul 23 22:45:56 http://pastebin.ca/1504971 Jul 23 22:46:00 thats what it should look like Jul 23 22:46:22 cyanogen: is it likely to break anything to convert your fs's to ext2? Jul 23 22:46:35 since the kernel he needs doesn't have squashfs we think Jul 23 22:46:41 cyanogen: well first i don't have ext3 nor ext4 for my sdcard Jul 23 22:47:05 ext3/ext4 are a great way to reduce your SD card's life Jul 23 22:47:07 and i only have one parition so im not inteding of using apps2sd so no need Jul 23 22:47:30 zinx, proof pls :) Jul 23 22:47:36 zinx: well i might switch to ext3 but still my kernel doesnt support ext4 Jul 23 22:47:40 cyanogen: they write to the card every ~5 seconds Jul 23 22:47:53 ext4 doesn't Jul 23 22:47:59 at that rate it should still take you years to wear out an sd card Jul 23 22:48:13 they do their own wear-levelling, at least any modern ones do Jul 23 22:48:17 cyanogen: btw im not using ur kernel... because well it wont work on my phone Jul 23 22:48:26 k4r1m oh nm then Jul 23 22:48:38 cyanogen: yeah i got a rogers phone thats why Jul 23 22:48:45 ahh Jul 23 22:48:48 magic rogers 32a with the shit kernel Jul 23 22:49:09 top sekrit htc gpl violation kernel Jul 23 22:49:13 k4r1m: actually, assuming 24/7 usage (not happening), 100k writes (very very common), and no wear levelling (full device? *shrug*), you can get 5 days. Jul 23 22:49:16 i can't find sherpa or the apppack anywhere. does anyone have a link to it Jul 23 22:49:16 Kinnoken sent htc an email asking for the kernel source and they told him download the android sdk... Jul 23 22:49:33 zinx: i don't put /data/data on sd, it's almost entirely read only Jul 23 22:49:48 what's the machtype? Jul 23 22:50:43 cyanogen: since ur here what does write /proc/sys/net/unix/max_dgram_qlen 999 do? Jul 23 22:51:09 it's on the original init, im wondering if i should add it to your or not Jul 23 22:51:26 k4r1m: that depends on kernel Jul 23 22:51:41 hm well i guess it needed by my kernel Jul 23 22:51:56 k4r1m: what does your phone say under the battery? Jul 23 22:52:31 tmzt: sec Jul 23 22:52:44 cyanogen: how about this http://pastebin.ca/1504977 Jul 23 22:53:20 first one from original init and second is urs Jul 23 22:53:59 tmzt: where under the battery? imei, s/n, p/n ? Jul 23 22:54:47 and also is there a way to check if cgroup is working/active? Jul 23 22:54:50 nothing like MAGI100 or a P number? Jul 23 22:54:57 yes, mount Jul 23 22:55:00 you already pasted Jul 23 22:55:09 tmzt: its not right? Jul 23 22:55:09 it's not mounted Jul 23 22:55:14 k Jul 23 22:55:26 and you probably have a zillion errors in the log about not being able to open stuff in /dev/cpuctl Jul 23 22:55:26 there is a sticker Jul 23 22:55:44 says QC PASSED lol thats not it Jul 23 22:55:45 i left the debugging on :) Jul 23 22:55:48 what's the p/n? Jul 23 22:56:08 99HJL002-00 Jul 23 22:56:38 then XB after a few spaces Jul 23 22:57:05 cyanogen: yeah i will remove the cgroup stuff from init Jul 23 22:57:25 odd, anyone else with a Magic here? Jul 23 22:57:32 i mean there is code in the framework too Jul 23 22:57:41 its not just a filesystem you mount and everything works Jul 23 22:58:05 tmzt: mine is refurbished if that changes anything Jul 23 22:58:24 zelrikriando: pop ur battery out Jul 23 22:58:25 anyone with a Magic can get their part number? Jul 23 22:58:39 k4r1m: what Jul 23 22:58:56 zelrikriando: take out ur battery and paste ur p/n plz :) Jul 23 22:59:28 it's possible it's a carrier number and means nothing to anyone else Jul 23 22:59:39 k4r1m: I have no time now...and why anyway Jul 23 22:59:52 k4r1m: can you boot to hboot and get yours from there? Jul 23 22:59:56 zelrikriando: we are trying to figure out something.. its all good. Jul 23 22:59:59 tmzt: sec Jul 23 23:00:31 k4r1m: I am gonna go for now, so maybe later Jul 23 23:00:45 zelrikriando: dont worry about it Jul 23 23:01:21 tmzt: im in the boot loader i dont see a p/n Jul 23 23:02:53 cyanogen: u dont anything about the BOOTCLASSPATH stuff? Jul 23 23:03:14 u dont know* Jul 23 23:03:56 you don't know how sick you make me... Jul 23 23:04:10 lol who Jul 23 23:04:24 no one, it's a song Jul 23 23:04:49 sure u probably just typed this in the wrong channel, probably doing cyber lmao Jul 23 23:05:00 * tech9iner sneaks out before TommyBres sings anymore lol Jul 23 23:05:09 lol Jul 23 23:05:24 "probably doing cyber"... so i'd say "you don't know how sick you make me..."? Jul 23 23:05:30 is that what turns girls on, saying they make you sick? Jul 23 23:05:33 Merthsoft: wasnt required lol Jul 23 23:05:46 O_o Jul 23 23:05:50 * TommyBres takes notes, as k4r1m is obviously a womanizer Jul 23 23:05:59 TommyBres: depends on the gurl lol Jul 23 23:06:06 what wans't required? Jul 23 23:06:22 Merthsoft: ☮♥♫ Jul 23 23:06:31 what about it? Jul 23 23:07:03 it seemed like you only quit when TommyBres started singing and ur quit msg just happened to be... Jul 23 23:07:12 lol Jul 23 23:07:19 i wasn't paying any attention to this channel Jul 23 23:07:37 k4r1m: ASSumptions are wrong frequently eh mate heh Jul 23 23:08:03 funny bits bout communications.. specially dry remote text only chat Jul 23 23:08:03 Merthsoft: it's alright you if hate TommyBres you just need say so Jul 23 23:08:10 lol jk Jul 23 23:08:16 Nite. Jul 23 23:08:23 <3 TommyBres Jul 23 23:08:28 no homo Jul 23 23:08:34 <3 Jul 23 23:08:38 unless if u r the gurl that he was calling sick Jul 23 23:08:40 * TommyBres doesn't worry about homo Jul 23 23:08:49 if any guys are attracted to me, fight my girlfriend for me Jul 23 23:08:50 platonic <3 Jul 23 23:08:51 she'll beat your ass :P Jul 23 23:09:18 tmzt: taking a break lol? Jul 23 23:09:30 was there an open question? Jul 23 23:10:02 tmzt: u told me to go into hboot and find ur p/n and i answered lol Jul 23 23:10:21 you said there wasn't one Jul 23 23:10:42 were you in the R G B screen? Jul 23 23:10:46 tmzt: what should it look like? Jul 23 23:10:55 tri color I think Jul 23 23:10:57 tmzt: the fastboot screen yes Jul 23 23:11:01 maybe that's changed on magic Jul 23 23:11:07 and no model number there? Jul 23 23:11:39 just something like this http://pastebin.ca/1504996 Jul 23 23:12:08 sapp50000 Jul 23 23:12:13 except a different date, 2005 spl instead and replace pvt with unknown Jul 23 23:12:15 * tech9iner is the guy in the group of males that.. upon smelling any hints of homophobic redneck male fools.. chases n kisses 'em just to watch them squirm.. lmao.. Jul 23 23:12:18 so it's a sapp500 Jul 23 23:12:29 k what does that tell us? Jul 23 23:12:42 look at arm.linux.org.uk, developer page, current machtypes Jul 23 23:12:53 that's the real model number Jul 23 23:13:04 im more anti-redneck than i ever have been anti homophobe hehe Jul 23 23:13:22 thecn9iners gay i knew it Jul 23 23:13:33 j/k Jul 23 23:13:35 .......wow Jul 23 23:13:45 tech9iner is the guy in the group of males that.. upon smelling any hints of homophobic redneck male fools.. chases n kisses 'em just to watch them squirm.. lmao.. Jul 23 23:13:45 just found a new kissee did we itsrumsey lol Jul 23 23:13:48 you would Jul 23 23:13:50 get your face bashed in Jul 23 23:14:02 i have nothing against gays, but you try to kiss me and i won't take it lightly Jul 23 23:14:10 hahaha Jul 23 23:14:14 TommyBres: roflmfao.. one time in me life.. rest of them faired quite unwell Jul 23 23:14:21 ballpark, foot massage, et al Jul 23 23:14:22 ;) Jul 23 23:14:23 hahah Jul 23 23:14:34 tmzt: i dont see current machtypes Jul 23 23:14:35 in fact, i think it may be a region thing Jul 23 23:14:41 aww TommyBres .. so insecure bout our sexuality eh.. sad lad wink wink Jul 23 23:14:48 lol right Jul 23 23:14:52 besides guys kissing is hawt Jul 23 23:14:54 * sparkle laughs Jul 23 23:14:57 :\ Jul 23 23:14:59 k4r1m: machine list or something Jul 23 23:15:32 yeah tech9iner could not be from around here Jul 23 23:15:33 sparkle: I asked something yesterday but fell asleep, do you have any idea what SSA/NSAA is related to networking? Jul 23 23:16:19 it softens hands while you do dishes Jul 23 23:16:32 i could babble a little but no, not really Jul 23 23:16:46 okay, I'll have to look it up again Jul 23 23:16:48 just what you hear the other parents chatting about when at the playground Jul 23 23:16:54 <_Auron|G1_> this book is giving me ideas for estoria Jul 23 23:17:07 Joy? Jul 23 23:17:16 tmzt: cant find it ;/ Jul 23 23:17:37 itsrumsey: i proved me redneck fun in my biz time in texas ;]].. kinda like so many rednecks.. missed bit of the hunt / sport of it.. Jul 23 23:18:07 http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/machines/ Jul 23 23:18:29 tech9iner: sounds fun Jul 23 23:18:48 Haha good times in Texas Jul 23 23:18:54 1729 Sapphire sapphire Kant Kang Jul 23 23:19:01 is that the google one? Jul 23 23:19:12 what's your business? Jul 23 23:19:27 sparkle: indeed.. only insecure gay tendent redneck males run from or 'attempt' to fight other secure men bouys.. period.. Jul 23 23:19:33 tmzt: most likely Jul 23 23:19:56 well i don't know if that's 100% true, some of them are just dicks Jul 23 23:19:59 there is a sapphira but page doesnt even load Jul 23 23:20:03 but yea Jul 23 23:20:07 man I can type hella fast on this osk now Jul 23 23:20:25 * sparkle blinks Jul 23 23:20:29 i have to start getting more sleep Jul 23 23:20:29 itsrumsey: on the g1? Jul 23 23:20:43 no in Texas Jul 23 23:21:01 itsrumsey: lol... cuuuute Jul 23 23:22:10 lol you sure talk a lot about men. I was just asking, don't call me cute :o Jul 23 23:22:11 im still getting used to cupcakes t9 like osk input.. gotta force new habit of proofing beFORE sending txt messages to my customers or technicians lol.. Jul 23 23:22:55 tmzt: yeah its not listed htc hasnt released the code Jul 23 23:23:14 I could never use the other one fast so didn't bother Jul 23 23:23:22 how different could it be? Jul 23 23:23:36 they said the sdk supports it though, why would they say that? Jul 23 23:23:47 this one I can just type fast on without looking Jul 23 23:24:10 itsrumsey: jhcrikey dont fall off the redneck wagon on me now m'fren.. me cute was re your '''[16:20] man I can type hella fast on this osk now''' .. silly duder Jul 23 23:24:28 tmzt: it's just different ram and cpu afaik Jul 23 23:24:40 itsrumsey: assumed your 'no in texas' was punny retort to my ? Jul 23 23:24:41 althought i think the hero specs are the same and the hero one is up there Jul 23 23:24:50 lol Jul 23 23:24:52 let me double check the hero cpu Jul 23 23:25:06 itsrumsey: now.. which fckg osk are you on bout? Jul 23 23:25:08 what do we know about it? Jul 23 23:25:29 1899 Hero hero Kant Kang Jul 23 23:25:30 no just asking what you did in tx Jul 23 23:25:44 it's in msm Jul 23 23:25:49 and 4 sep 2008 Jul 23 23:25:51 wow Jul 23 23:26:02 how did we miss it? Jul 23 23:26:13 the HTC IME Jul 23 23:26:24 tmzt: thats the hero yeha Jul 23 23:26:54 k it has the same cpu Jul 23 23:26:55 1951 Blackstone blackstone Kant Kang Jul 23 23:26:57 1952 Topaz topaz Kant Kang Jul 23 23:27:01 7200A Jul 23 23:27:07 lmao.. aaahhhhh... itsrumsey .. now i utterly missed your 'wtf biz urine' line above 'no in tex' rofl.. did i mention text communication breakdowns yet? rofl Jul 23 23:27:28 tmzt: ? Jul 23 23:27:39 itsrumsey: so osk ?.. the cupcake default?.. or did u drop in some 3rd party osk? Jul 23 23:28:41 k4r1m: one of those is the HD and the other the diamond 2 I think Jul 23 23:28:43 itsrumsey: btw.. cyanogen's cupcake you encoraged has solved 90% of all the hourly force close fails i was suffering on jf's cupcake.. Jul 23 23:28:51 kind of suprising to see them here with linux support Jul 23 23:29:00 but it's probably android amss Jul 23 23:29:06 tmzt: yeah some htc phones have got android working on them Jul 23 23:29:09 so the ce released ones won't be supported Jul 23 23:29:26 glad yo hear Jul 23 23:29:35 tmzt: ok what does this mean though? we are we trying to find the sapphire on there? Jul 23 23:29:50 I meant the osk in cyanogen Jul 23 23:30:00 HTC IME Jul 23 23:30:11 it is there, just not 32a Jul 23 23:30:19 sapp500 Jul 23 23:30:31 nor the default cupcake Jul 23 23:30:49 tmzt: lets say "it is on there" what can we do? Jul 23 23:31:25 nothing really Jul 23 23:31:33 because the hero and 32a are identical... not sure if they use the same board or not but they have the same specs Jul 23 23:31:49 if they did they wouldn't have different model number Jul 23 23:31:57 so there's some difference Jul 23 23:32:47 someone seriously needs to treat'in htc for not giving up the kernel... this is just ridiclous. Jul 23 23:33:04 lets sue them Jul 23 23:33:35 itsrumsey: lol im lost again laddie.. nothing new.. but .. lol.. so isnt cyanogen's cupcake the default cupcake osk? Jul 23 23:33:47 tmzt: ok back to the init thing, u dont know anything about the BOOTCLASSPATH? Jul 23 23:34:08 yeah, but I don't know if those programs it mentions are on your new iamge Jul 23 23:34:45 oh those are apps? Jul 23 23:35:04 I assume Jul 23 23:35:14 it doesn't hurt anything to add them though Jul 23 23:35:18 those are framework jars Jul 23 23:35:24 I think it will just complain Jul 23 23:35:33 and it probablwon't boot if they are missing Jul 23 23:35:52 yours had all the htc/rogers stuff, mine is a little shorter, just one extra jar Jul 23 23:36:16 cyanogen: i will stick with urs then Jul 23 23:39:32 cyanogen: is it possible to use ext2 instead of squashfs? Jul 23 23:39:40 we can repack those on linux Jul 23 23:45:49 who has the rom with sherpa on it? Jul 23 23:48:22 btw what is this sherpa ? Jul 23 23:51:23 shiznebit, t-mobile app Jul 23 23:52:36 My work uses a "hosted" gmail account (ie, gmail on a custom domain) -- is it possible to use the gmail app with that, along with my personal gmail account? Jul 23 23:52:52 I'd rather use the gmail app than the imap client... Jul 23 23:56:29 savid: i dont that would be considered as a pop3 email Jul 23 23:56:39 to mail app Jul 23 23:58:58 k4r1m, it works w/ the imap client, I just like the gmail app for it's "push" capability Jul 23 23:59:03 and nicer interface Jul 24 00:01:24 anyone here good with GREP? Jul 24 00:01:36 you mean regex? Jul 24 00:01:57 maybe he means the capslock key Jul 24 00:02:02 yea Jul 24 00:02:03 lol Jul 24 00:02:09 regex sure Jul 24 00:02:21 need to search for the first 4 characters of every line Jul 24 00:02:25 (textwrangler) Jul 24 00:02:47 ^.... Jul 24 00:02:48 I think Jul 24 00:03:32 hah, awesome Jul 24 00:03:34 thanks Jul 24 00:17:25 lol its funny how he said grep... Jul 24 00:21:48 ... Jul 24 00:30:23 Hey everyone! Jul 24 00:30:45 Hi Dr nick Jul 24 00:31:52 I'm having an intresting problem.. I see lots of references online about people who have a G1 with a volume too low, but I have the reverse problem.. I have to hold my phone 2 feet away from my ear when it's sent to minimum volume or I blow my eardrums out.. anyone have any suggestions? Jul 24 00:32:15 any one got access to a linux machine? Jul 24 00:32:40 <_Andrew> yup Jul 24 00:32:46 <_Andrew> k4r1m: why? Jul 24 00:32:49 k4r1m: Yep Jul 24 00:32:56 most people i'd say :P Jul 24 00:33:06 <_Andrew> indeed Jul 24 00:33:15 i need to repack a boot.img and my ubuntu vm is phailing Jul 24 00:33:53 anyone lol? Jul 24 00:34:33 great. Jul 24 00:34:44 Sorry, I have no experience with that Jul 24 00:34:56 matsuo: turn off speakphone mode? Jul 24 00:35:13 failing how? Jul 24 00:35:15 i would show u how it will take like 3 mins Jul 24 00:35:34 tmzt: can't copy the files Jul 24 00:35:37 can you tell me? Jul 24 00:35:42 what's the error Jul 24 00:35:55 spikebike: In speakerphone mode it's even louder.. I can put it on minimum on the other side of a room and still hear speakerphone crystal clear.. it's way too loud without speakphone being turned on. Jul 24 00:36:24 no its not a repack error... i just have no way of getting the boot.img from the vm to my computer... usb doesnt seem to mount, a shared folder doesnt work Jul 24 00:36:24 funky Jul 24 00:36:40 my similar problem is I want the backlight to go down about 10 times darker Jul 24 00:36:40 nc? Jul 24 00:36:46 that's what I use Jul 24 00:36:48 it frickin lights up an entire room if it's dark Jul 24 00:36:51 or make a disk image Jul 24 00:36:57 whats nc? Jul 24 00:37:29 plus cygwin is a phail too for some reason it doesnt wanna execute mkbootimg Jul 24 00:37:45 and i cant get colinux/andlinux to work cuz they are x86 only Jul 24 00:37:51 because it's a linux efl? Jul 24 00:37:53 elf Jul 24 00:38:03 what do you have? Jul 24 00:38:13 im running vista x64 Jul 24 00:38:28 got 6gb of ram so i dont wanna waste 2gb and run 32bit Jul 24 00:38:36 I think colinux works on amd64 Jul 24 00:38:50 dow market bell today ending 9069 pts.. niyiiiiice Jul 24 00:38:54 <_Andrew> I'm sure you can just boot the liveCD and make an .img Jul 24 00:38:58 can you mount a .iso? Jul 24 00:39:01 k4r1m: er, 6GB ram + 32 bit != wasting 2GB ram Jul 24 00:39:13 does mean you can't run a single process over 4GB Jul 24 00:39:24 most people with 6GB ram run at least 2 processes ;-) Jul 24 00:39:27 I usually end up using mkisofs -J -R for this stuff Jul 24 00:39:28 spikebike: vista != os x. Jul 24 00:39:31 spikebike: i think it does mean that in Vista Jul 24 00:39:38 oh, no PAE mode? Jul 24 00:39:46 if so that's impressively broken Jul 24 00:39:58 Vista is pretty impressively broken, yes Jul 24 00:40:14 the only time i do get the full 6gb is when running osx because its hypbird or w\e they call it Jul 24 00:40:15 doesn't winXP use PAE for that kind of thing? Jul 24 00:40:42 osx is weird, it's the only case I know of where user space is 64 bit, but the kernel is 32 bit Jul 24 00:41:09 that.... Jul 24 00:41:12 that is Apple. Jul 24 00:41:15 Think Stupid. Jul 24 00:41:44 it has more to do with getting 64bit out quickly on g5, then doing very little for intel Jul 24 00:41:50 until this coming release Jul 24 00:42:14 i will ill just repach the image and upload it to my web site Jul 24 00:42:20 no other easy solution lmao Jul 24 00:42:21 Apple really only cared if photoshop and scientic applications could accesss the memory Jul 24 00:42:33 they didn't even support gui apps at first Jul 24 00:42:36 (I think) Jul 24 00:43:11 spikebike, surely that is not true? Jul 24 00:43:21 osx kernel is 64bit right? Jul 24 00:43:26 not yet Jul 24 00:43:35 next version Jul 24 00:43:48 lol... Jul 24 00:43:48 oh thats right Jul 24 00:43:48 leopord? Jul 24 00:43:58 I thought that was out already Jul 24 00:43:58 years behind? Jul 24 00:44:11 lmao Jul 24 00:44:16 snow leopord* Jul 24 00:45:37 does osx have any way to get around 4gb ram limit atm then? Jul 24 00:45:42 ya Jul 24 00:45:49 not for itself, but for apps Jul 24 00:45:59 pae I am assuming Jul 24 00:46:30 ive seen *nix apps that can allocate more than 4gb by using multiple processes Jul 24 00:46:46 memcached does it iirc Jul 24 00:46:47 (on 32bit of course) Jul 24 00:47:35 how does that work? Jul 24 00:47:53 Gary|G1: yeah osx can't use more than 6gb but as said only apps... i had it for a while but stupid drivers pissed me off Jul 24 00:48:16 6gb? Jul 24 00:48:37 yeah i had 6gb of ram and 640mb of video Jul 24 00:48:57 why is it 6 though? Jul 24 00:49:10 my ram? what kinda of question is that? Jul 24 00:49:25 you said it cant use more than that. Jul 24 00:49:41 oops thats not what i meant lol ma bad Jul 24 00:49:48 lol Jul 24 00:49:54 i meant can* lmao Jul 24 00:49:58 cuz i had 6gb Jul 24 00:52:53 theoretically x64 can't manage to allocate 16 exabytes Jul 24 00:52:55 lmao Jul 24 00:53:02 shit can**** Jul 24 00:53:06 wtf is wrong with me Jul 24 00:53:33 it's opposite day Jul 24 00:54:07 im curious, im going to put the jacheroski rom on my g1, i was wondering if anyone knew a good sdcard reader and maybe a cheap class 6 sd card Jul 24 00:55:39 zinx: what a paradox, to tell someone that it's opposite day Jul 24 00:55:57 because if you say it and it's supposed to be true, it's not Jul 24 00:56:17 n1tsua: newegg.com type 6 8GB Jul 24 00:56:26 towe1ie: it's true! Jul 24 00:56:35 false? Jul 24 00:56:37 towe1ie: ;) Jul 24 00:57:42 Man, waze makes my G1 so hot it feels like it's going to catch on fire like an iPhone or something Jul 24 00:57:43 fake Jul 24 00:58:14 pwnt Jul 24 00:58:23 Anyone know how to decrease the mic/speaker volume below the minimum for a G1? I got the phone yesterday and that's my own real complaint... Jul 24 01:02:09 kRutOn: lol.. i take back off my stock g1 here when wifi tethering.. have it sitting on my monitor arm Jul 24 01:02:34 heh Jul 24 01:02:37 kRutOn: ugh... .....in front of small fan.. Jul 24 01:02:44 yeah I use usb tethering to avoid heat and battery suckage Jul 24 01:03:09 matsuo: I think there's a /proc for volume Jul 24 01:03:21 not good to get long calls either hehe.. uncomfortably hot for physical ear contact time.. Jul 24 01:05:51 spikebike: Any more specific of an idea where I'm looking? Jul 24 01:07:43 easiest would be to strace it while changing the volume Jul 24 01:07:52 strace? Jul 24 01:07:55 heh Jul 24 01:08:07 a linux widget not often installed on android Jul 24 01:08:12 unless you install debian Jul 24 01:08:19 might be under /sys Jul 24 01:08:31 ls -alR | grep -i vol and see what pops up Jul 24 01:08:38 hrm, not sure busybox allows that Jul 24 01:08:44 maybe find / -name '*vol*' Jul 24 01:09:37 Hi, I'm using JF1.51 and today my phone is nagging me about an update. Shouldn't it NOT do that? Jul 24 01:09:51 volume is an ioctl on /dev/msm_pcm_control or similar Jul 24 01:09:59 what are you going to strace exactly? Jul 24 01:10:41 primer accept it, it will try, fail, and never bother you again Jul 24 01:10:54 The volume for my phone both my microphone and the normal speaker when the phone's not on speakerphone is insanely loud, I need a way to turn it down a bit. Jul 24 01:11:04 tmzt oh I thought it was something like echo 10 | /proc/sys/audio/vol or something Jul 24 01:11:06 Even when it's set to minimum volume it's far too loud Jul 24 01:11:09 the brightness is like that Jul 24 01:12:03 yeah, backlight is done that way Jul 24 01:12:19 audio is normally done through alsa, but on g1 it's an ioctl Jul 24 01:12:45 Do you know how I can crank it way down, tmzt? Jul 24 01:22:59 hi, I am trying to move build.prop from my sdcard to /system/build.prop but get a cross-device link error even as root Jul 24 01:23:00 any ideas? Jul 24 01:24:10 Kitz: Are you trying to move it or link it? Jul 24 01:24:26 move, I want to overwrite the existing one under /system Jul 24 01:24:40 i tried to do copy and it said read only system Jul 24 01:25:12 i'm using terminal emulator on the phone Jul 24 01:27:42 kitz, you need to remount it as readwrite Jul 24 01:27:49 google it Jul 24 01:27:58 Kitz: mount -o rw,remount /system Jul 24 01:28:00 should work Jul 24 01:28:10 yes, that :) Jul 24 01:28:36 * matsuo goes back to googling how to lower my phone's volume... Jul 24 01:28:54 theres a button on the side, matsuo Jul 24 01:28:57 fyi :p Jul 24 01:29:54 Yea... Not low enough.. :P At it's lowest setting, it's loud enough to blow out my eardrums.. when not on speakerphone.. Jul 24 01:30:03 ......... Jul 24 01:30:07 are you on crack? Jul 24 01:30:10 And my mic is loud enough that I blow out the other person's ear drums Jul 24 01:30:21 what phone? Jul 24 01:30:25 G1 Jul 24 01:30:27 thanx Jul 24 01:30:37 dream is pretty quiet :/ Jul 24 01:30:42 Not mine... Jul 24 01:30:44 matsuo, so if I do cp /sdcard/build.prop /system/build.prop that should do it? Jul 24 01:30:46 idk what hes talkin about lol Jul 24 01:31:04 kitz if youre trying to see copy protected apps on an adp1, yes thatll do it Jul 24 01:31:06 kitz: Yes, so long as you do the mount command first Jul 24 01:31:07 matsuo, if you dont have a modified rom cp doesnt exist Jul 24 01:31:12 or you could just get any new modified image Jul 24 01:31:24 Gary|G1: if he has an ADP it does Jul 24 01:31:31 oh. Jul 24 01:31:39 what is ADP anyways Jul 24 01:31:41 Gary|G1: I have the JF 1.51 image.. A friend of mine also has a G1 with JF 1.51, and her phone is MUCH softer than mine Jul 24 01:31:44 android developer phone Jul 24 01:31:46 rooted from factory Jul 24 01:31:58 * TommyBres thinks matsuo is hitting the wrong button :X Jul 24 01:32:16 why do people keep using the full mount -o rw,remount /system command line stuff when adb offers a shorter 'adb remount' format? Jul 24 01:32:21 I was using 1.51 w/o ADP but wanted to get rid of the annoying upgrade popup that is coming up until JF releases the CRC1 update ROM or whatever it is Jul 24 01:32:41 matsuo, hardware problem then. get it replaced? Jul 24 01:32:52 mount -o rw,remount is more of a standard command for linux Jul 24 01:33:07 adb remount ftw Jul 24 01:33:09 kitz the easiest is to just accept it, it doesn't break anything Jul 24 01:33:36 the best thing is to just get cyan's newest :) Jul 24 01:33:40 spikebike, it doesn't? it won't keep asking me when it fails on restore and I won't lose root? Jul 24 01:33:43 would changing that distro info file break anything Jul 24 01:33:43 It was the last G1 at the place I got it.. From what I'm told, they're not suppose to get this loud.. It's painful at it's minimum setting.. Jul 24 01:33:44 hmm i'm kinda tempted to try out 3.9 Jul 24 01:33:49 can't rembmer the file name Jul 24 01:33:55 matsuo: get it replaced Jul 24 01:34:07 kitz on jf-1.5.1 I just accepted it, it rebooted, and now thinks it's up to date, none of the files changed Jul 24 01:34:07 it could just be your acoustic tables Jul 24 01:34:17 though that's quite odd Jul 24 01:34:22 spikebike, cool. thanx Jul 24 01:34:37 it's not signed with the right chekcsums for an update Jul 24 01:34:40 er signatures Jul 24 01:34:44 keys/whatever Jul 24 01:35:03 there were similar extreme audio volume issues with the Hero ROMS when they were first out. Replacing the AudioPara* files on it seemed to fix it ISTR Jul 24 01:35:10 matsuo, using software hacks to fix broken hardware isnt a smart idea. is it still under warranty? Jul 24 01:35:21 yeah, that's what I mean Jul 24 01:35:29 Gary|G1: how do you know the hardware is broken? Jul 24 01:35:44 It's within the warranty time frame yes, but is that really a broken hardware? Usually broken hardware is softer, in my experience. Jul 24 01:36:01 well im assuming it, since he never mentioned it worked fine before. Jul 24 01:36:03 is it distorted or just load Jul 24 01:36:20 and it working fine before is kinda an important detail Jul 24 01:36:27 of course Jul 24 01:36:33 It's not distorted at all, just really god damn loud.. Jul 24 01:36:45 but if it's a problem with a file on the filesystem there's no reason for it to have worked before Jul 24 01:36:52 matsuo: you could install the factory image just to be sure Jul 24 01:36:54 was it loud before you rooted it matsuo? Jul 24 01:36:58 and that suggests the eq is just wrong Jul 24 01:37:02 yeah, try rc29 Jul 24 01:37:13 or the AudioParas from stock Jul 24 01:37:25 it's possible there's a new hardware revision and the software is not supporting it yet Jul 24 01:37:39 Ya know.. i'm not sure I tried it before I rooted it.. Should I try to go back to rc 29, or just downgrade from the JF cupcake image to JF R33 image? Jul 24 01:37:40 maybe the current google update fixes that Jul 24 01:37:59 go to rc29 to be sure matsuo Jul 24 01:38:32 could be spike Jul 24 01:38:41 that would be cool if so Jul 24 01:40:10 Last time I tried to bring a G1 from 1.51 to RC29 it bricked the phone.. I'm going to try to go to RC33, if that doesn't fix it, I'll go back to 29.. Sound loke a good plan? Jul 24 01:40:34 matsuo: actually bricked the phone ? Jul 24 01:40:47 as in you could no longer use it again ? Jul 24 01:40:54 Yes. Jul 24 01:40:59 that sucks Jul 24 01:41:00 I had to get it replaced by T-mobile Jul 24 01:41:02 nbh flashing? Jul 24 01:41:18 did battery die while flashing? Jul 24 01:41:36 Nope, but it didn't have the special bootloader Jul 24 01:41:45 Which may have had something to do with it, I think Jul 24 01:41:51 shouldnt matter Jul 24 01:41:59 heh, flashing my nuvi :) Jul 24 01:42:04 the nbh should flash on any spl Jul 24 01:42:11 especially original Jul 24 01:42:24 could you not even boot into the spl? Jul 24 01:42:34 I tried to flash the original .nbh onto the phone and it kept saying OS failed Jul 24 01:42:52 probably corrupted? Jul 24 01:43:05 do you use the usb cable that came with the phone? Jul 24 01:43:06 I tried downloading it several times, and the MD5 matched Jul 24 01:43:36 I believe I was.. It was someone else's phone.. They actually tried to downgrade it, it failed, and then I tried to get it back Jul 24 01:43:49 be VERY cafreful with included cable, it has no ferrite core and will corrupt just about every update Jul 24 01:44:07 wow, really? Jul 24 01:44:11 win mac or nix? Jul 24 01:44:12 yes Jul 24 01:44:16 nix Jul 24 01:44:20 ok Jul 24 01:44:33 I'm now using the JF updater program to downgrad to JF R33 Jul 24 01:44:41 you need to unmount the phone disconnect usb cable connect it and remount Jul 24 01:44:49 before you check the md5sum Jul 24 01:45:12 otherwise the os assumes it copied correctly and will give you a fake md5 Jul 24 01:45:28 When I was doing it, I used just the card, copied the file onto the card on my laptop, verified the MD5, then ejected the card and put it into the phone Jul 24 01:45:36 or you can use adb shell md5sum /sdcard/update.zip Jul 24 01:45:48 that should be fine then Jul 24 01:47:33 batteries starting to die :/ Jul 24 01:53:45 <_Auron_> what's a valid way to end an application other than System.exit(0);? Jul 24 01:54:26 usually there isn't a valid way. Jul 24 01:54:29 don't end it Jul 24 01:54:48 <_Auron_> okay, so how am I supposed to 'end it' if I have a Quit menu option? Jul 24 01:54:57 you don't have a quit menu Jul 24 01:55:03 <_Auron_> .... Jul 24 01:55:23 look at android apps Jul 24 01:55:25 most don't have a quit menu Jul 24 01:55:28 because it's unnecessary Jul 24 01:55:32 <_Auron_> games do Jul 24 01:55:44 they don't need to :) Jul 24 01:55:53 anyway, if you *really* want to do it Jul 24 01:55:58 just call finish() on your activity Jul 24 01:57:01 romainguy__: there are some situations where it is nice. For example if you have an application that uses the network , and you go away from your wifi network, you don't want it to use your 3g connection but you still want other apps to be able to use your 3g connection Jul 24 01:57:29 in a properly behaved app, pressing the back key should be enough to make it stop its activity Jul 24 01:57:35 ah ok Jul 24 01:57:45 what about the web browser Jul 24 01:57:51 pressing back just goes back Jul 24 01:58:06 if you keep pressing back it eventually finishes the activity Jul 24 01:58:07 but also Jul 24 01:58:14 when the activity is not in the foreground it does not do anything Jul 24 01:58:26 i see. Jul 24 01:58:39 memory lane. Good Song. Jul 24 02:06:00 <_Auron_> how would I call finalize for the activity from a seperate thread? Jul 24 02:06:54 finish() not finalize() Jul 24 02:09:08 <_Auron_> I can't make static calls to it though Jul 24 02:13:21 hi everybody, does android 1.5 work in ubuntu 9.04? Jul 24 02:13:21 i've tried canonical program "hello word" from official android web site Jul 24 02:13:22 but nothing is appear even the emulator has been started Jul 24 02:13:47 haha yeah i tried figuring that stuff out too Jul 24 02:13:51 i'm definitely too dumb for it Jul 24 02:14:45 Woot.. downgrading to JF R33 worked and the phone now has a normal volume! Jul 24 02:14:57 Now, trying the upgrade once more to cupcake... Jul 24 02:14:58 anybody had tried android on ubuntu? Jul 24 02:14:59 SWEEET Jul 24 02:15:01 wooooohooo got my first boot looop Jul 24 02:15:11 k4r1m: not sweet :( Jul 24 02:15:21 must packed up the wrong kernel or the ramdisk lol Jul 24 02:15:22 _Auron_: it stops the current /activity/ Jul 24 02:15:32 TommyBres: tell me about it Jul 24 02:15:42 _Auron_: so no, you can't make static calls to an instance method. Jul 24 02:16:12 you backed up, right k4r1m ? Jul 24 02:16:23 TommyBres: not even. Jul 24 02:16:49 i just repacked the rom relfashing right now Jul 24 02:17:48 * k4r1m crosses fingers Jul 24 02:18:18 :( Jul 24 02:18:22 * TommyBres crosses fingaz Jul 24 02:18:42 nyt: you here? Jul 24 02:18:54 kros ya fingaz Jul 24 02:19:06 ta da Jul 24 02:19:16 nice Jul 24 02:19:37 what's this? Jul 24 02:19:52 if your looking for some the coke i'm your supplier, just like tv they call me the wire!? what kinda of freaking ryhm is that lmao Jul 24 02:20:09 TommyBres: yes i listen to music too. Jul 24 02:20:13 sounds like a mod of pusherman Jul 24 02:20:41 it was actually a random song Jul 24 02:20:47 * k4r1m turns it to lupe Jul 24 02:22:37 so what rom are you working on now k4r1m - and have you managed to compile a kernel yet for 32A? Jul 24 02:24:35 Radix_: not even lol Jul 24 02:25:10 Radix_: i just got cm 3.8.1 working... again but this time im going for full out apps2sd and swap Jul 24 02:25:42 Ahh k.. so 32B only? Jul 24 02:25:48 no lol 32A Jul 24 02:26:15 but something is not right lol "ls: not found" Jul 24 02:26:50 Oh.. but I thought the main cm improvements were the kernels.. and without a 32A built kernel it's very limiting Jul 24 02:27:15 Radix_: there is still stuff we can use Jul 24 02:28:40 its true that cm's kernel got ext4, iptables/netfilter, crgoup and squash but hm i still wanna get swap and apps2sd working Jul 24 02:32:19 surely that's something that could be done with any rom tho really.. I thought those were just applications Jul 24 02:37:43 hi all.. is there any document describing the meaning/definition of those back/home/menu buttons? Jul 24 02:40:03 Hi everyone. Quick question - I have a JAC Hero build running on a G1...How can I check to see if swap is active? Jul 24 02:40:35 good question Jul 24 02:41:19 I'm looking through /proc now in the terminal Jul 24 02:43:21 Radix_: not the auto ones Jul 24 02:43:48 just type "free" Jul 24 02:43:50 mdrobnak: "free" Jul 24 02:44:02 or cat /proc/meminfo for a more detailed one Jul 24 02:45:34 cyanogen: have u tried building a kernel for rogers? Jul 24 02:46:56 i have a question, im installing the hero rom, i already have swap ex3/fat32 but i have apps and stuff used, do i need to reformat and repartition my sdcard? Jul 24 02:47:14 k4r1m: Thanks. Will look into it in a second, on the phone. Jul 24 02:47:41 or can i just leave it since its already partitioned? Jul 24 02:48:12 n1tsua: depending on the rom if it requires a wipe or not Jul 24 02:49:57 its the jacheroski Jul 24 02:50:51 then yeah Jul 24 02:50:52 even so, i usually wipe when im flashing anyway Jul 24 02:50:53 to prevent problems Jul 24 02:51:03 just use MyBackupPro to backup your apps Jul 24 02:51:10 err i dunno if that'll work when partitioning is involved though Jul 24 02:51:24 don't listen to me though, i'm just an overtalkative pothead noob Jul 24 02:51:30 my knowledge is not trust-worthy Jul 24 02:51:39 jpa--: what rom u on now? Jul 24 02:51:50 still fatal1tys hero rom Jul 24 02:52:03 since updating SPL and flashing recovery - im afraid to flash another rom incase it doesn't work Jul 24 02:52:07 because i have no sd reader Jul 24 02:52:17 Wow, Hero's a hog. 98M tot, 96M used. 32M Swap, 15M used. Not cool. Jul 24 02:52:18 and if my phone won't boot... i have no way of replacing update.zip Jul 24 02:52:20 jpa--: what do u need an sdcard reader for? Jul 24 02:52:22 until i go to work and borrow another phone Jul 24 02:52:52 jpa--: dude you dont need a reader... i do everything using adb ftw Jul 24 02:53:25 ive tried like adb push update.zip /sdcard/update.zip Jul 24 02:53:25 and what not Jul 24 02:53:32 followed instructions and it failed Jul 24 02:54:14 i had to put my sdcard into a nokia e71 and erase the update.zip and wouldn't boot Jul 24 02:54:59 * mdrobnak needs another IRC client then IRCle. Jul 24 02:55:20 lmao fail Jul 24 02:55:42 30 day trial way expierd...closes after 30 mins Jul 24 02:55:45 grr Jul 24 02:55:59 Anyway, which of the Hero ROMs is the quickest these days? Jul 24 02:56:23 mdrobnak: jacheroski if u r using a g1 Jul 24 02:56:37 Great. :-/ Jul 24 02:56:41 That's what I'm running it on Jul 24 02:57:17 I've got my HTC Fuze too, but that needs about another month of dev to get to a good state. Jul 24 02:57:35 Maybe I should try the SuperLite build? Jul 24 02:58:08 I get a *lot* of email..3 days has me with 1125 unread mails. Jul 24 02:58:44 wow still "ls: not found" something seriously wrong with the init Jul 24 02:59:49 ouch **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 24 02:59:57 2009