**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 24 02:59:57 2009 Jul 24 03:09:35 k4r1m: im not talking about hitting alt+w, im talking about repartitioning Jul 24 03:10:56 n1tsua: oh my bad Jul 24 03:11:13 no then the ext3/fat32 wont get deleted Jul 24 03:12:15 holy Jul 24 03:12:32 everyone going to a party and i wasn't invited? Jul 24 03:13:45 where is cyanogen 3.9? Jul 24 03:14:43 nm got it Jul 24 03:17:27 k4r1m: should i alt+w before i install the radio and the SPL updates? Jul 24 03:17:40 my last question haha Jul 24 03:17:56 haha don't worry n1tsua, i was worse when i was trying to root and flash stuff Jul 24 03:18:03 i'm like half-retarded srsly Jul 24 03:18:10 Hmm.. adb lists two devices on my pc for some reason - both the same id - one offline and one online Jul 24 03:18:15 whats alt+w lol i dont have a g1... magic is all menu Jul 24 03:18:26 alt+w is wipe/factory reset Jul 24 03:18:33 Radix_: emulator? Jul 24 03:18:38 n1tsua: i guess so. Jul 24 03:18:40 same device Jul 24 03:18:43 i usually do it beforei flash a new rom, but right now im flashing the radio then the spl Jul 24 03:19:10 ahh.. adb kill-server fixed it Jul 24 03:19:36 THIs IS MaDneSSSSSSSSS still "ls: not found"!!!! Jul 24 03:19:49 busybox broken? Jul 24 03:19:53 reflashed for the 5th time using different init setup everytime Jul 24 03:20:05 Radix_: no it's the init.rc Jul 24 03:20:54 tried using /system/xbin/bb/ls - or whatever 'which ls' returns? Jul 24 03:21:18 otherwise it's dependent on your path being set up correctly Jul 24 03:21:33 oh probably lmao Jul 24 03:24:22 i think i has a clue Jul 24 03:24:29 woohoo Jul 24 03:25:50 did i survive? Jul 24 03:26:21 no. you're in purgatory Jul 24 03:26:39 DarkriftX: http://gizmodo.com/5320734/fda-deems-e+cigs-as-bad-as-the-real-thing Jul 24 03:26:47 i survived Jul 24 03:26:53 really Jul 24 03:26:56 you are a day late Jul 24 03:27:18 having invalid directories could cause init.rc to screw up? Jul 24 03:27:49 i had other important things rather than stirring at the #android channel constantly Jul 24 03:29:19 hi there, I was wondering if the process of moving apps to the sd card really as simple as that : http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f41/running-apps-from-memory-card-dont-panic-2895/ ? Jul 24 03:29:21 So.. Final result of my downgrade then reupgrade from JF1.51->JF RC33->JF1.51.. It's a lot better, but still pretty loud... Jul 24 03:29:31 DarkriftX: i wasnt home yeseterday :P Jul 24 03:33:43 Antifreeze in them eh? Jul 24 03:34:09 is it really a couple of terminal lines to enter? Jul 24 03:35:01 I heard an interesting story about a guy who drank an entire bottle of antifreeze because his wife put it in a drink bottle in the fridge. They had to supply the guy with regular shots of alcohol to keep his body from processing the antifreeze for the entire trip to the hospital. Jul 24 03:36:31 just ran export PATH /usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin:/system/sbin:/system/bin:/system/xbin:/system/xbin/bb:/data/local/bin Jul 24 03:36:37 and i still cant get freaking ls working Jul 24 03:37:02 should it be $PATH? Jul 24 03:37:03 idk Jul 24 03:37:06 just making some random guesses Jul 24 03:37:21 radix_: why in the world was there anti freeze in a bottle, in the fridge Jul 24 03:38:01 also /system/xbin/bb/ls: not found Jul 24 03:38:17 oh Jul 24 03:38:22 where is mount located? Jul 24 03:38:37 so does anybody know of a good apps2sd tutorial i could use? Jul 24 03:39:39 what build are you using? Jul 24 03:39:40 grindking: stupid wife I suspect. Or maybe she had it in for him. He drank it thinking it was cordial. It was compounded by them being in the remote outback AND in a dry community (no alcohol available) - the local nurse managed to produce a bottle of cherry brandy luckily and kept the guy dosed up while the royal flying doctors arrived and took him to hospital. Jul 24 03:40:14 k4r1m: which should tell you where it is Jul 24 03:40:23 Radix_: what? Jul 24 03:40:29 i can't get any command to work lol Jul 24 03:40:31 except cd Jul 24 03:40:35 oh.. lol Jul 24 03:40:45 noonehereyet: i'm using JF 1.51 Jul 24 03:46:25 where are the boot logs located? Jul 24 03:46:30 ima try pulling them using adb Jul 24 03:52:13 anyone? Jul 24 03:53:47 are you in linux or windows? Jul 24 03:54:34 does it that matter... i want the logs of the phone Jul 24 04:04:44 k4r1m: adb shell dmesg > dmesg Jul 24 04:04:53 adb shell logcat -d > logcat Jul 24 04:06:26 k4r1m: if i wipe my current jacheroski 2.7.4 to put on the 2.7.3 superlight version so its faster, when i alt+w to wipe it, am i gonna have to reflash spl and radio? Jul 24 04:07:05 npe Jul 24 04:07:08 nope* Jul 24 04:07:11 JesusFreke: thanks Jul 24 04:07:27 just wipe it, then use new update.zip?,somehow when i wipe the spl and radio are saved still Jul 24 04:07:44 yeah they are saved... Jul 24 04:11:14 whats the -d argument? Jul 24 04:12:06 on adb lolcat Jul 24 04:15:34 dump. it dumps the log and quits Jul 24 04:15:47 ah Jul 24 04:15:51 instead of continually running and printing out the latest log entries Jul 24 04:16:24 I'm not sure if it works with adb logcat. I know it works with the logcat command on the phone. Jul 24 04:16:31 http://maps.google.com/maps?t=m&q=http:%2F%2Fwww.trackdroid.org%2Ftemp%2Fgps0kC2Y3.kml Jul 24 04:16:55 It feels so nice to be back home Jul 24 04:17:29 aka the middle of nowhere? Jul 24 04:17:40 ... Jul 24 04:17:48 I guess it hasn't updated since I got home Jul 24 04:19:38 JesusFreke: i dont think the -d option is required. adb logcat > logcat.txt does it well Jul 24 04:19:56 but does it automatically end? Jul 24 04:20:07 or do you have to hit ctrl+c? Jul 24 04:20:29 JesusFreke: you are right i do have to ctrl+z Jul 24 04:20:38 that's what the -d is for :) Jul 24 04:21:07 JesusFreke: i can't find any major errors Jul 24 04:21:23 k4r1m_: ok? Jul 24 04:21:37 JesusFreke: yet nothing from shell is working lol Jul 24 04:22:17 I haven't been following the convo. I just jumped in where you asked how to get the logs Jul 24 04:23:22 JesusFreke: it's alright then ;] Jul 24 04:23:45 what was ctrl-z for? Jul 24 04:23:49 JesusFreke: let ask you opinion, do you think compcache is faster than swap? Jul 24 04:25:21 i personally dont see how comcache can be faster than regular swap. number. it requires more cpu, 2, the pages have to be compressed into memory. Yes, it may allow you to run more processes but i dont think its faster Jul 24 04:27:01 tmzt: the machetype or w\e it was called is 1729 you were right Jul 24 04:27:07 tmzt: i just saw it in the logs Jul 24 04:27:29 where? Jul 24 04:27:36 http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/machines/list.php?id=1729 Jul 24 04:27:55 twois10: depends if compression or writing to flash/sd is faster Jul 24 04:28:09 tmzt: <4>[ 0.591406] sapphire_init_panel:machine_is_sapphire=1, machine_arch_type=1729, MACH_TYPE_SAPPHIRE=1729 Jul 24 04:28:31 oh, in dmesg Jul 24 04:28:52 so why doesn't cyanogen or other kernel work? Jul 24 04:28:55 it's the same mtype Jul 24 04:29:11 unless they did something evil and make an incompatible kernel with that mtype Jul 24 04:29:46 tmzt: cyanogen kernel only works for 32B Jul 24 04:29:56 i dont know why Jul 24 04:30:23 any one with 32B magic here? Jul 24 04:30:34 vodafone magic or mytouch... Jul 24 04:31:00 http://www.janvormann.com/dispatchwork.php Jul 24 04:32:10 tmzt: am saying because the pages have to be compress, that could cause lag when reading them Jul 24 04:33:31 I don't think you got what I said Jul 24 04:33:33 and plus, i thing its bad for the battery, because more cpu power is needed Jul 24 04:33:47 also not neccessarily Jul 24 04:33:53 tmzt: k, well elaborate Jul 24 04:34:00 maybe sd read/writes draw more current Jul 24 04:34:33 tmzt: but the compcache cache does not write to the sd card Jul 24 04:34:37 I mean if it's faster to do the compression than it is to write more to flash or sd then you win with compcache Jul 24 04:34:43 what does it write to? Jul 24 04:35:04 compcache writes to RAM Jul 24 04:35:05 I'm just saying everything is a trade-off Jul 24 04:35:16 so you avoid needing swap on sd Jul 24 04:35:30 I would think compcache is faster and better for battery Jul 24 04:36:39 compcache is a virtual swap. it takes, a portion of the ram and and uses it as swap and pages are then compressed to this reserved location Jul 24 04:39:15 tmzt: u going to be around in 5 mins? Jul 24 04:39:37 sure Jul 24 04:39:39 tmzt: the reason i think its not better for the battery is because the cpu has to work harder to compress the data into virtual ram Jul 24 04:40:08 right, but swap to sd needs to driver the mmc bus and two extra clocks Jul 24 04:43:47 you are saying that swap to sd requires more cpu clock cycles...but how many clock cycle does compcache requires...? I am asking these questions to know which is better Jul 24 04:44:02 not cpu cycles Jul 24 04:44:07 power Jul 24 04:44:14 though it might Jul 24 04:44:25 not sure Jul 24 04:44:41 tmzt: ok here is my proble... simply i can't get a single command to work from "adb shell" i get unknow for everything... even "ls" Jul 24 04:44:54 but the rom works somehow lol Jul 24 04:45:23 mostly because android doesn't use that stuff Jul 24 04:45:24 i have tried so many different init.rc's but im starting to think thats not it Jul 24 04:45:41 whew been a long day Jul 24 04:45:42 you probably have toolbox/busybox symlink problems Jul 24 04:45:44 long week Jul 24 04:45:46 tmzt: i even get unknow for mount Jul 24 04:45:57 or missing libraries Jul 24 04:46:06 * DJTachyon got to chill with SanMehat in San Francisco :) Jul 24 04:46:06 tmzt: how do i fix this? Jul 24 04:46:19 since you can't ls it's hard to tell Jul 24 04:46:25 see if anything works Jul 24 04:46:37 sec Jul 24 04:46:45 * languish waits for woot to change and then crash Jul 24 04:46:50 im not getting an error for "su" Jul 24 04:47:00 heh hey ryan Jul 24 04:47:07 :) Jul 24 04:47:07 tmzt: also echo works Jul 24 04:47:17 that's in should shell Jul 24 04:47:22 yeah got to chill with San while I was in cali for business :) Jul 24 04:47:23 that's in your shell Jul 24 04:47:27 nice Jul 24 04:47:36 now im stuck at the airport Jul 24 04:47:38 Had a good trip? Jul 24 04:47:38 oh lol Jul 24 04:47:42 d'oh Jul 24 04:47:57 flight delayed til 11:07PM Jul 24 04:48:09 ah sucks man Jul 24 04:48:21 im at the bar ;) Jul 24 04:48:33 haha, lush Jul 24 04:48:40 shhh dont tell Jul 24 04:48:43 Anyone know how to edit TouchFLO in hero? Jul 24 04:49:11 Wha? who me? tell What? sip* I have no *sip* idea *sip* what were we sayiong? *sip* Jul 24 04:49:24 n1tsua: maybe in #xda-dev Jul 24 04:49:29 tmzt: so it's potentlialy the init.rc still? Jul 24 04:49:47 it's probably a missing busybox Jul 24 04:50:49 hehehe Jul 24 04:51:00 got to go to fisherman's wharf today Jul 24 04:51:51 * DJTachyon yawns Jul 24 04:53:08 get any good seafood? Jul 24 04:53:17 fish tacos? Jul 24 04:53:20 tmzt: ? Jul 24 04:53:22 hah Jul 24 04:53:41 yeah some salmon, scallops, and prawns .. not bad Jul 24 04:53:42 k4r1m_: talk to your rom developer Jul 24 04:53:55 cool :) Jul 24 04:53:55 i have this favorite british place near SFO airport that I hit up tonight Jul 24 04:53:58 or maybe I can help tommorow, too tired to dig into this Jul 24 04:54:06 they have 1/2 yards and full yards of beer Jul 24 04:54:10 heh Jul 24 04:54:23 not to mention yorkshire pudding and prime rib :) Jul 24 04:54:29 * languish will take a front yard, full of beer Jul 24 04:54:36 sounds sexy Jul 24 04:54:53 prime rib, now that's my kinda action Jul 24 04:55:01 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yard_(beer) Jul 24 04:55:08 heh I know what it is :P Jul 24 04:55:59 im trying to educate the nerds in here ;) Jul 24 04:56:17 oh right, you did seem to like those lost causes 'n all.. Jul 24 04:56:33 :P Jul 24 04:56:38 ^_^ Jul 24 04:57:19 I have a wife freaking out about our dying ferret that I have to get home to .. kinda rough Jul 24 04:57:29 ouch :( Jul 24 04:57:48 Getting you back home should be a comfort Jul 24 04:57:52 to her.. Jul 24 04:58:18 yeah .. not to mention the fact that I travelled less than a week from getting back from european vacation Jul 24 04:58:46 hey did you see the youtube videos I got up? Jul 24 04:58:48 I don't look forward to the dog passing away.. it's her first pet... Jul 24 04:58:57 I saw 1 Jul 24 04:58:57 yeah not a good time Jul 24 04:59:02 havta check out the others Jul 24 04:59:27 ugh i want plane and sleepy time Jul 24 04:59:47 yeah, 1 minute till woot, and 2 minutes till *plOnk!* Jul 24 05:00:34 why are you up at 1AM on a thurs night anyway? Jul 24 05:00:53 I usually am, the real question is wtf am I so damn tired at only 1AM on a Thrus Night Jul 24 05:00:56 gettin old man Jul 24 05:01:10 too many jagermeister shots? Jul 24 05:01:36 nah, then I'd be up all night Jul 24 05:01:59 did I tell you we have a jager tap machine in our kitchen? Jul 24 05:02:04 hah yeah :) Jul 24 05:02:12 I'll be happy to tap that sometime Jul 24 05:02:13 :P Jul 24 05:02:22 good thing it's not a long island tap machine ;) Jul 24 05:02:38 heh Jul 24 05:02:49 connect hose Jul 24 05:02:50 though it will probably have the same effect ... Jul 24 05:03:18 omg the wife bought me a case of Stone Thirteenth Anniversary Ale ... SOOO GOOODD Jul 24 05:03:20 yeah, but you can savor it longer Jul 24 05:03:25 lol nice Jul 24 05:03:36 4.5 Lbs of hops per barrel Jul 24 05:03:50 rediculous Jul 24 05:03:59 You get a chance to crack it yet? Jul 24 05:04:13 yeah i slammed though half the case in 5 days Jul 24 05:04:16 s,ple cral yet? Jul 24 05:04:17 hahaha Jul 24 05:04:45 it is so heady and strong Jul 24 05:04:55 ok man, I'm gonan go see if sleep actually does anything Jul 24 05:05:14 okay im gonna go yell for a first class ticket or something Jul 24 05:05:21 word, g'luck Jul 24 05:05:24 gnight Jul 24 05:05:24 i ment Jul 24 05:05:25 o/ Jul 24 05:05:28 smoke crak yet? Jul 24 05:06:54 crack? in san fran? Jul 24 05:07:05 2012 the end is near Jul 24 05:07:06 ohhhh I did get scared by the bush bum though! Jul 24 05:07:15 he totally got me Jul 24 05:07:44 2012 the end is near Jul 24 05:08:16 indeed ...the mayan calander cycles watch out! Jul 24 05:08:22 ohno Jul 24 05:08:29 the maganetic poles are going to switch Jul 24 05:08:35 cats are going to be living with dogs Jul 24 05:08:40 it will be mass hysteria Jul 24 05:10:08 dude if the magnetic poles switch Jul 24 05:10:11 im gonna be pissed Jul 24 05:10:17 it'll only take about 30 hours Jul 24 05:10:29 thats pretty fast for a mass the size of the earth to flip Jul 24 05:10:48 i'd probably jump real high and land in south america Jul 24 05:11:21 the magnetic field of the earth is controlled by the molten iron core which rotates differently than the earth .. Jul 24 05:11:54 im too tired for doomsday and conspiracy theory talk right now Jul 24 05:12:18 someone just modify the OS to allow me to change the sample rate or playback speed of audio files Jul 24 05:12:23 if possible Jul 24 05:12:41 why don't you? Jul 24 05:13:12 i really really wish i had the time Jul 24 05:13:22 it would probably make me a lot of money ... Jul 24 05:13:23 i'm hearing "expertise". Jul 24 05:13:51 i havent even tried Jul 24 05:14:27 i downloaded the whole source code base already .. im too busy with my employeer's embedded system work Jul 24 05:14:50 bah Jul 24 05:15:07 bah Jul 24 05:15:44 i did real-time audio filter work in programmable logic in college, that was so fun. I really wish I didn't work on software motor control Jul 24 05:16:00 hey whats that guys name Jul 24 05:16:03 uh-huh :) Jul 24 05:16:07 that has a radio show and he's wild as shit Jul 24 05:16:29 ehh Jul 24 05:16:33 talks about all of the effed up things in the world Jul 24 05:16:40 he's fat Jul 24 05:16:44 lol coast to coast AM? Jul 24 05:17:07 alex jones Jul 24 05:17:07 thanks Jul 24 05:17:22 anyone believe in chemtrails Jul 24 05:17:36 yeah you are an Art Bell fan aren't you? Jul 24 05:17:57 art bell? Jul 24 05:18:15 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coast_to_Coast_AM Jul 24 05:18:37 im listening to a radio recording Jul 24 05:18:38 one of my old roomates was wacko about him and his show Jul 24 05:18:59 its conspiracy and doomsday nutter central Jul 24 05:19:12 LOL Jul 24 05:20:31 okay time to catch my plane .. laters Jul 24 05:22:11 if anyone is using cyanogen's 3.9 build...after setttng the number of home screens, what does it mean you have to reset for it to take effect? Jul 24 05:22:13 holy fuck Jul 24 05:22:28 im listening to a guy flying a plane over area 51 Jul 24 05:22:52 holy shit Jul 24 05:23:22 dude was flying over and a plane came up to tell him to leave, he tried to get lower and he said they were shooting a ray gun at him Jul 24 05:23:34 lol Jul 24 05:23:38 he said i think im going in Jul 24 05:23:38 wag Jul 24 05:23:49 then silence Jul 24 05:23:53 radar gun he said Jul 24 05:23:54 lol Jul 24 05:23:57 nuts Jul 24 05:24:16 bash.org hopeful M Jul 24 05:28:31 i guess it meant reboot. I powered off and back on and it didnt take effect but a reboot instead applied the settings... Jul 24 05:28:59 How long you been running 3.9? Jul 24 05:29:04 2 mins Jul 24 05:29:33 TommyBres: you on 3.9 too? Jul 24 05:29:36 x.O Jul 24 05:29:53 is on 3.9 Jul 24 05:29:56 no Jul 24 05:30:34 am going to try to pre theme Jul 24 05:31:21 oh noes, I need to up my logs. getting forced closed over and over on sherpa Jul 24 05:31:35 what is sherpa Jul 24 05:31:59 have you used google place directory? Jul 24 05:32:06 nope Jul 24 05:32:09 It finds places in the area Jul 24 05:32:25 resturants, movies, etc.. Jul 24 05:32:38 ic Jul 24 05:32:51 damn took 2 minutes to connect to the server Jul 24 05:33:04 let me try it Jul 24 05:33:17 here's an interesting thing. if I put 4 partitions on my sd card, the volume manager won't automount /sdcard Jul 24 05:33:28 in fact the notification window says the sd card was removed Jul 24 05:33:37 if I get rid of the 4th partition it's ok again Jul 24 05:34:26 I will admit 3.9 is pretty fast Jul 24 05:34:56 Wickedg33k: i'll you this, it boot 10 second less than 3.8 Jul 24 05:35:10 just checking out the specs between the hero and the dream Jul 24 05:35:25 whats the difference between a "G-sensor" and a "Motion Sensor" Jul 24 05:35:31 sherpa is not conntecting Jul 24 05:35:50 ah it finally did Jul 24 05:35:58 you are in the us twois10 Jul 24 05:36:10 yes Jul 24 05:36:21 mine took forever to connect Jul 24 05:36:22 wmealing, a "g-sensor" is an accelerometer. No clue what they mean by a motion sensor, but I'd guess it's the same thing Jul 24 05:36:52 wow, sherpa is wicked nice Jul 24 05:37:05 KNY, yeah.. wondering if its different hardware, or just marketing spin Jul 24 05:37:35 yeah, but I think they need to put it on a better server as it takes forever to connect Jul 24 05:37:38 Trying to weigh up if i should get the hero when it comes out. Jul 24 05:37:41 i believe hero has more ram and internal sd card Jul 24 05:37:44 unless they use the camera Jul 24 05:37:52 hero actually has less ram Jul 24 05:37:57 what? Jul 24 05:38:01 huh? Jul 24 05:38:01 huh Jul 24 05:38:04 oh sorry. Jul 24 05:38:06 wrong way around Jul 24 05:38:12 switched tabs Jul 24 05:38:13 http://www.htc.com/www/product/hero/specification.html Jul 24 05:38:14 vs Jul 24 05:38:16 http://www.htc.com/www/product/dream/specification.html Jul 24 05:38:33 it's the same as the HTC-branded magic Jul 24 05:38:52 same as Ion? Jul 24 05:39:07 yes Jul 24 05:39:10 also, it's never clear what the split between different uses is Jul 24 05:39:10 (AFAIK) Jul 24 05:39:23 is the ion different to the magic ? Jul 24 05:39:28 like gpu, amss (smem) etc. Jul 24 05:39:29 my only beef with hero is the lack of keyboard Jul 24 05:39:34 wmealing, depends on which magic you are talking about Jul 24 05:39:36 that's the design Jul 24 05:39:43 that makes no sense Jul 24 05:39:44 KNY, i see.. Jul 24 05:39:49 if you want a keyboard you can get the g1 Jul 24 05:39:57 thats my point Jul 24 05:39:58 if you don't you can get the magic or the hero Jul 24 05:40:19 wmealing, some magics (vodafone EU, TMUS) have 192MB of RAM, the rest have 288MB Jul 24 05:41:11 Wickedg33k: and market detected all my apps Jul 24 05:41:23 KNY, thankyou for the information, I did not know this. Jul 24 05:41:55 twois10: did 3.6.8.1 detect all apps Jul 24 05:42:18 I have never had any market problems Jul 24 05:42:26 well, Wickedg33k, i spoke too soon. though it detected them, but not as installed Jul 24 05:42:48 when i ever i try mv /sdcard/userinit.sh /system/sd/ i get a failed on '/sdcard/userinit.sh' - Cross-device link Jul 24 05:42:53 anyone knows what does that mean Jul 24 05:43:51 k4r1m: isnt it cp instead of mv? Jul 24 05:43:52 k4r1m_: I think that means it's a hardlink Jul 24 05:44:10 Wickedg33k: pretty sure its the same thing Jul 24 05:44:18 tmzt: could i force it or something? Jul 24 05:44:28 trying to get system swap to work Jul 24 05:44:31 oh, now the date shows, on the top menu... very nice Jul 24 05:44:32 it's broken Jul 24 05:44:52 what failed? Jul 24 05:45:01 tmzt: was that to me or to twois10 ? Jul 24 05:45:06 you Jul 24 05:45:20 the error message, failed on - Jul 24 05:45:27 what did it actually say? Jul 24 05:45:29 k4r1m_: no, but i was wrong, i had pulled down the notification Jul 24 05:45:40 tmzt: the error that it gives Jul 24 05:45:52 thats it the one i pasted Jul 24 05:46:19 12:10 < k4r1m_> when i ever i try mv /sdcard/userinit.sh /system/sd/ i get a Jul 24 05:46:20 failed on '/sdcard/userinit.sh' - Cross-device link Jul 24 05:46:33 can you strace it? Jul 24 05:46:56 just give me the line with -E in it Jul 24 05:47:09 hold on i think i found a solution Jul 24 05:47:54 yeah cp does the trick Jul 24 05:48:57 can one get the dns settings for the current system in java ? Jul 24 05:49:03 k4r1m_: what trick? Jul 24 05:49:18 k4r1m_: there could still be an underlying problem Jul 24 05:49:22 specifically android Jul 24 05:49:36 getprop? Jul 24 05:49:41 isn't that shell ? Jul 24 05:49:53 * wmealing can get them in shell script, wanting to know if its possible from within java itself Jul 24 05:50:20 I guess properties api, if not that whatever android uses Jul 24 05:50:40 don't know if anyone can read those though Jul 24 05:50:57 System.getProperty() and System.setProperty() ? Jul 24 05:51:18 maybe Jul 24 05:51:33 java.lang.System? Jul 24 05:52:53 im getting "[: not found" when i try to run this http://pastebin.ca/1505409 so weird, is there a fix? Jul 24 05:55:40 k4r1m_, if [ -d /system/media ] && [ ! -h /system/media ] && [ -e /system/sd/media ]; Jul 24 05:55:41 that line? Jul 24 05:55:43 ln -sf /xbin/busybox /bin/[ Jul 24 05:55:58 anyone here got a spare sd card they're willing to experiment on for me? Jul 24 05:57:30 I'm wondering if anyone else finds that /sdcard doesn't automount if the sd card has 4 partitions Jul 24 05:57:36 the other 3 don't even have to have any data on them Jul 24 05:57:42 KNY: im not sure it is just saying [: not found Jul 24 05:57:56 I just delete the last partition with fdisk and reboot and voila, /sdcard is mounted again Jul 24 05:58:17 tmzt: link failed No such file or directory Jul 24 05:58:47 which busybox Jul 24 05:58:51 which toolbox Jul 24 05:58:55 both Jul 24 05:59:04 to enable swap i just used a simple userinit.sh file /system/sd Jul 24 05:59:21 <_Auron_> can someone point me to a tutorial, guide, or reasonable explanation of how to use Handlers? Jul 24 05:59:27 twois10: do you not see that this is what im doing? Jul 24 05:59:46 tmzt: its a cm 3.8.1 based rom sec Jul 24 06:00:11 where is your userinit.sh, can you post it Jul 24 06:00:14 just add swap to init.rc Jul 24 06:00:45 hold on one thing at a time... u want me find the version to busybox and toolbox right? Jul 24 06:00:46 I am having trouble connecting to my WiFi network, it says "unable to connect to the network" Jul 24 06:01:18 busybox is version 1.8.1 Jul 24 06:01:25 i dont see how do i find the version of toolbox Jul 24 06:03:04 i already pasted userinit.sh but here it is again http://paste2.org/p/339007 Jul 24 06:04:17 ?? Jul 24 06:04:26 obviously i didnt see the paste, but in anycase here is my userinit.sh http://pastebin.org/3912 Jul 24 06:05:05 isnt that using comcache? Jul 24 06:06:00 yes, but to enable swap, you just have to uncomment ##swapon /dev/block/mmcblk0p3; and comment the rest Jul 24 06:06:04 and my swap is not exactly 32mb its like 31.5 or something Jul 24 06:06:28 twois10: is that the only line? Jul 24 06:06:35 it does not matter the size. you are dealing with partitions Jul 24 06:06:50 It's the motion in your ocean! Jul 24 06:07:03 <_Auron_> actually nm, found a completley different solution Jul 24 06:07:22 twois10: hm should i just add that to init then just like how tmzt said? Jul 24 06:07:36 that works too Jul 24 06:07:46 goodbye SDcard. Jul 24 06:07:53 ok whats the different between using echo 20 and echo 30? Jul 24 06:08:06 well u r actually using 32* Jul 24 06:08:08 k4r1m: i assumed you created you partitions in order of fat, ext, then swap Jul 24 06:08:15 yup Jul 24 06:08:23 k4r1m: no am not useing 32mb Jul 24 06:08:36 my compcache is using 32mb Jul 24 06:08:38 echo 32 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness; Jul 24 06:08:50 oh, that Jul 24 06:08:52 whats the 32 there for? Jul 24 06:09:37 you can read more about compcache here: http://lwn.net/Articles/334649/ i dont want to pass false info Jul 24 06:10:05 if you don't know what swappiness means, you may not want to change it Jul 24 06:10:10 set vm.page-cluster to zero as well Jul 24 06:10:10 i didnt ask about comcache but w\e. Jul 24 06:10:25 sparkle: how? Jul 24 06:11:03 sparkle: is that really a good idea Jul 24 06:12:16 k4r1m: I am using the defualt userinit and only thing I see missing in yours is disksize_kb=32000; Jul 24 06:12:24 default* Jul 24 06:12:35 me? Jul 24 06:12:43 Wickedg33k: that is not mine. Jul 24 06:13:01 oh thats twois Jul 24 06:13:20 I fail Jul 24 06:13:26 Wickedg33k: 32000 means 31.125 MB and 32768 means 32.0mb Jul 24 06:14:03 .../1024 Jul 24 06:14:04 but doesnt it tell the swap to use that size of 32mb Jul 24 06:14:55 yours with 32000 tell it to use max size of 31.125 MB of RAM as reserve Jul 24 06:15:15 ok swap is on but how do i get my system to use it? Jul 24 06:15:37 how do you know its on? Jul 24 06:15:41 and also is there a shell text editor built in? such as nano or vim Jul 24 06:15:46 twois10: free.. Jul 24 06:15:51 its not being used though Jul 24 06:16:45 twois10: yes. Jul 24 06:16:54 i don't believe that in general swap is a good idea though Jul 24 06:17:02 it's handy if you need it because you simply do not have enough ram Jul 24 06:17:19 but it prevents the oom killer from kicking in and cleaning up inactive applications until both ram and swap are ful Jul 24 06:17:24 well, relatively full Jul 24 06:17:27 has anyone tested swap actually gets used ? Jul 24 06:17:33 yes Jul 24 06:17:37 I dont use swap on my desktop though I do have it enable, but it has never been used. Jul 24 06:17:40 since last november or so. Jul 24 06:17:44 spaztik: same thing for comcache? Jul 24 06:17:50 I have 8GB physical RAM and 4GB swap Jul 24 06:17:57 i know they did some magic with zygote and the kernel Jul 24 06:18:02 to swap things out when memory was low Jul 24 06:18:21 the only thing bad about swap is wear and tear Jul 24 06:18:24 wasnt sure if/what swap did to change the behavior of that. Jul 24 06:18:29 sdcards are cheap Jul 24 06:18:36 by the time its a problem, i'll have a new one. Jul 24 06:18:36 the oom killer is smart enough to go after certain types of processes Jul 24 06:18:41 especially inactive user applications Jul 24 06:18:46 but the paging engine is not Jul 24 06:18:53 it will happily page out the home screen and other stuff Jul 24 06:18:55 or portions of it Jul 24 06:19:08 so you will end up with UI elements paged out Jul 24 06:19:12 actually one can tune which apps can be oomkilled without too much trouble Jul 24 06:19:17 there is on going debate where or not compcache has a performance issue Jul 24 06:19:17 sure Jul 24 06:19:21 or more correctly, you can say "dont kill me bro" Jul 24 06:19:27 wmealing: there are provisions in the kernel already for that Jul 24 06:19:32 android does that reasonably well Jul 24 06:19:39 and exempts a lot of key system stuff Jul 24 06:19:40 * wmealing nods Jul 24 06:19:41 so how could edit the init.rc from shell? Jul 24 06:19:43 but Jul 24 06:19:48 no vim >.< Jul 24 06:19:49 the virtual memory subsystem doesn't care Jul 24 06:20:00 nor should it. Jul 24 06:20:01 it will just page out according to "classical" algorithms Jul 24 06:20:20 which don't include any sort of correction for core UI componentry or not Jul 24 06:20:22 the UI gets jerkier Jul 24 06:20:29 especially if you have a lot of paging space Jul 24 06:20:36 * wmealing ponders Jul 24 06:20:45 i would periodically disable and then reenable swap when i was doing heavy stuff on the handset Jul 24 06:20:48 the sticky bit used to prevent binaries from being swapped out Jul 24 06:20:50 no Jul 24 06:20:51 i dont think that works anymore Jul 24 06:20:53 wmealing: this is not 1978 :) Jul 24 06:21:03 sparkle, its not ? damn. Jul 24 06:21:06 and it didn't really prevent that either Jul 24 06:21:16 why are we using unix on our phones then :P Jul 24 06:21:32 i kid, i kid Jul 24 06:21:35 * sparkle chuckles Jul 24 06:21:37 seriously though Jul 24 06:21:45 sparkle explain and elaborate, or just give me a link as to set vm.page-cluster to zero is good... Jul 24 06:21:50 i'd disable and reenable periodically because then everything got paged back in Jul 24 06:22:03 and low priority processes got sacked by the oom Jul 24 06:22:12 * wmealing wonders how hard it would be to set an application priority for swap in, swap out Jul 24 06:22:35 here Jul 24 06:22:36 http://www.telesphoreo.org/pipermail/g1-hackers/2008-December/000064.html Jul 24 06:23:17 the primary performance limitation of the g1 is slow memory bandwidth Jul 24 06:23:51 i will test it, but i wanted to make sure there facts backing the idea Jul 24 06:24:45 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3009255#post3009255 Jul 24 06:24:50 some of my tests from last year Jul 24 06:24:54 hmm Jul 24 06:25:08 i can't speak to compcache Jul 24 06:25:19 i have just added it to my init script, and will test it Jul 24 06:25:23 but conventional swap space has a lot of tradeoffs on the g1 Jul 24 06:26:35 forgive me for asking, are you a woman? Jul 24 06:27:06 no, i bleed every month for the ironic humor value Jul 24 06:27:07 why ;) Jul 24 06:27:17 LMFAO Jul 24 06:27:31 I just hopped back to the channel and saw that Jul 24 06:27:46 omg, lmao Jul 24 06:27:50 unless i'm reading the source code wrong, you can just map a page with mmap MAP_LOCKED Jul 24 06:27:57 and it looks as though it wont be swapped out Jul 24 06:28:04 same here was reading and seen spakles comment Jul 24 06:28:06 no, the reason is the colour selected by konversation for you is pink. and it does this with another lady from another channel Jul 24 06:28:18 wmealing: yes? Jul 24 06:28:24 mlock has been around a long time Jul 24 06:28:30 i'm not saying it hasnt. Jul 24 06:28:36 well Jul 24 06:28:48 i'm supposing that my idea of a prioritized swapper may be wrong Jul 24 06:28:48 twois10: the nick coloring algorithm is a hash of the nick into one of eight color slots, so there are bound to be duplicates Jul 24 06:28:55 twois, it has a female detector Jul 24 06:29:02 it might just be easier to use the right mapping for the libraries you want to keep in Jul 24 06:29:03 lol Jul 24 06:29:14 apparantly so TommyBres Jul 24 06:29:21 the higher the concentration of being right, the more it knows to make pink text Jul 24 06:29:29 lol Jul 24 06:29:36 tommy you know me too well :p Jul 24 06:29:40 hahah Jul 24 06:29:45 <- Konversation developer Jul 24 06:29:57 anyways, sorry if i was grating Jul 24 06:29:59 long day Jul 24 06:30:10 and i haven't really played with compcache on the handset Jul 24 06:30:27 but i have had my g1 do multi-day compiles Jul 24 06:30:37 nice Jul 24 06:30:43 i'm wondering about the gui libs in the phone Jul 24 06:30:47 well, after on week, i will have a better idea about compcache vs swap Jul 24 06:30:48 I just had 4 updates of my app Jul 24 06:30:53 Everyone download it! Jul 24 06:31:17 i assume that the dalvik vm draws all the images. etc.. its not calling to some underlying C library ? Jul 24 06:31:28 wmealing: bionic Jul 24 06:31:48 spark_, eh ? Jul 24 06:31:57 spark_, i know what bionic is. Jul 24 06:31:58 that's android's minimalized libc Jul 24 06:32:10 i'm not sure i understand the question Jul 24 06:32:21 spark_, i'm more interested to know if the java libs call out to another library.. like java-gtk Jul 24 06:32:22 dalvik certainly uses bionic extensively Jul 24 06:32:41 but does it differentiate between the app code, and the windowing library code. Jul 24 06:32:49 the drawing libraries, that kind of thing Jul 24 06:33:30 let me try to find a diagram Jul 24 06:34:04 ivantis3, you might find people download your app when you mention what it is Jul 24 06:38:44 sparkle: am testing your suggestion now, I do feel any difference. i will probably have to do bench test Jul 24 06:39:11 speaking of testing, is there any benchmark suites for android ? Jul 24 06:40:28 whats QxdmLog? Jul 24 06:42:10 ok, I want to know what the origin is of this 1.5gb advisory cap on the ext3 filesystem Jul 24 06:42:21 People keep saying "you may have issues", but don't say what they are Jul 24 06:43:09 I am calling shenanigans until someone can explain what the origin of this myth was Jul 24 06:47:44 iNoah: what are you talking about? Jul 24 06:48:43 well for example, http://code.google.com/p/android-roms/wiki/A2SD Jul 24 06:48:55 "For the Ext2 partition I wouldn't go higher than 1.5GB cuz you may run into some issues" Jul 24 06:49:05 I've seen that repeated often, on xda and elsewhere Jul 24 06:49:13 but nobody actually knows why Jul 24 06:49:32 since I can't get /sdcard to automount when I have 4 partitions on my sd card, I'll have to move debian over to partition 2 Jul 24 06:49:33 issues? Jul 24 06:49:58 I've not experienced any "issues" Jul 24 06:50:09 so I think there's some cargo culting going on Jul 24 06:50:29 iNoah: which partition # is the dos partition you bwant as /sdcard? Jul 24 06:50:37 the first Jul 24 06:50:42 hm Jul 24 06:50:45 i use ext4 Jul 24 06:50:49 can you mount it manually Jul 24 06:50:53 from the prompt Jul 24 06:50:53 I have 3 defined partitions: fat32, ext3, swap Jul 24 06:51:04 nods Jul 24 06:51:13 if I define the 4th partition, *even if it only has 1 cylinder*, vold no longer automounts /sdcard Jul 24 06:51:25 can you still manually mount it? Jul 24 06:51:41 i remember a detection list for vold that was easily confused Jul 24 06:51:44 yes, but I can't access the card over usb if I do that Jul 24 06:51:56 hm Jul 24 06:52:01 instead I get this annoying alert in notifications saying the sd card has been removed Jul 24 06:52:04 i think i have 4 on this g1 Jul 24 06:52:06 sec Jul 24 06:52:07 and I get no option to usb-mount the card Jul 24 06:52:09 wow what a stupid rom it has the android keyboard.. and i can't even replaced it with the HTC_IME.apl trying pushing the libt9.so and the .apk but no luck... anyone? Jul 24 06:54:17 k4r1m: which rom? Jul 24 06:54:40 twois10: its for magic... based on cm Jul 24 06:55:40 did someone say cyanogenmod had 3.9 released? Jul 24 06:56:08 Haraken: 3.9 is a beta Jul 24 06:56:13 ah Jul 24 06:56:16 what's the link for it? Jul 24 06:56:39 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=539744 Jul 24 06:56:59 ahh thanks :) Jul 24 06:58:38 k4r1m, why can't you? Jul 24 07:05:28 k4r1m: this should answer some of your questions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq Jul 24 07:07:42 * _Auron_ is trying to fix his broken-texture-after-resume issue Jul 24 07:09:51 I am having a lot of difficulty connection to my WPA2 Personal WiFi network, does anyone have experience in this matter? Jul 24 07:10:23 I haven't had any problems with mine. Jul 24 07:10:34 whats happening Jul 24 07:10:36 keeps shutting off? Jul 24 07:11:18 depends on the rom Jul 24 07:11:24 mine connects fine Jul 24 07:11:27 at the moment I got it to the point where it doesn't connect, and no errors Jul 24 07:11:43 I have connected to my WiFi when security is disabled Jul 24 07:12:01 it is the default ROM that it came with Jul 24 07:12:14 <_Auron_> agh why do the textures keep breaking!? Jul 24 07:12:15 ur typing in a wrong password? Jul 24 07:12:35 no, its the right password, I even reduced it to 8 characters Jul 24 07:12:38 menu>settings>Wireless controls>Wi-Fi settings>menu>advanced>Wi-Fi sleep policy>never Jul 24 07:12:59 no Jul 24 07:13:05 thats incase ur wifi turns off Jul 24 07:13:11 I don't get that option Jul 24 07:13:11 but i don't know what ur problem is Jul 24 07:13:20 yes u do Jul 24 07:13:22 do you use mac control? Jul 24 07:13:24 u press menu in wifi settings Jul 24 07:13:37 im on ubuntu Jul 24 07:13:52 yeah, it doesn't have a 'WiFi sleep policy' section Jul 24 07:13:59 did u press menu Jul 24 07:14:03 yes Jul 24 07:14:06 and advanced Jul 24 07:14:07 and go to advanced Jul 24 07:14:12 what phone do u have Jul 24 07:14:16 tktn: are you using mac filtering? Jul 24 07:14:18 HTC Dream Jul 24 07:14:21 twois10, no Jul 24 07:14:38 hah Jul 24 07:14:42 i never heard of that happeneing Jul 24 07:14:49 have you testing wep or simply no encryption to see if it connect? Jul 24 07:14:49 good luck Jul 24 07:15:00 twois10, yes, and it worked fine Jul 24 07:15:16 that was with no encryption Jul 24 07:15:29 tkip/aes Jul 24 07:15:35 yep Jul 24 07:15:42 is that problematic? Jul 24 07:15:49 What router? Jul 24 07:16:01 WRT54GL running DD-WRT Jul 24 07:16:27 Are you 100% sure you're using the right password? Jul 24 07:16:30 WiFi works fine for my laptop Jul 24 07:16:37 yes, it's 8 chars at the moment Jul 24 07:16:46 because I was thinking it was incorrect Jul 24 07:19:09 Have you tried using a very simple password? Jul 24 07:19:59 yes, as I said, it is 8 characters Jul 24 07:20:51 ah, I switched it to aes only, and it seems to be working so far Jul 24 07:20:59 Yeah... Jul 24 07:21:03 I don't use tkip. Jul 24 07:21:05 Hi! Jul 24 07:21:33 going to try to use my secure password now Jul 24 07:24:30 great! seems to be working correct so far Jul 24 07:25:59 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUZ9uL0DU3Y&NR=1 Jul 24 07:26:00 HAHA! Jul 24 07:27:02 that was edifying Jul 24 07:27:46 I'd like to ask a noob question. I have a Sapphire 32A. I would like to root it and have other ROMS installed as well as some apps I've found. The thing is I am a little confused with the guide in XDA-Developers that has directions on how to flash the SPL. In the Magic SPL HBOOT collection it has several SPL's for download (I am interested in Engineering SPL HBOOT-1.33.2005 Signed update.zip), Jul 24 07:28:28 In the how to flash it sas that first I have 2 install RAv1.1.2 : Modded ION recovery Jul 24 07:28:39 that question is too complicated for me. Jul 24 07:29:25 Is that an SPL as well? Jul 24 07:29:26 Paladin1908, you don't have to install that... Jul 24 07:29:35 You can just use fastboot to boot the recovery image. Jul 24 07:29:35 Oh... Jul 24 07:29:42 fastboot boot recovery.img Jul 24 07:29:47 http://gizmodo.com/5319319/14+yo-boy-drinks-gasoline-to-be-like-optimus-prime Jul 24 07:29:56 That will send the recovery image to the phone and make it boot up using that. Jul 24 07:30:11 Of course, you have to enter fastboot mode when you turn on your phone. Jul 24 07:30:29 But, I will say that those modded recovery images are very handy. Jul 24 07:30:37 So I dont need to change my SPL at all in order to install a custom ROM? Jul 24 07:30:47 I never said that... Jul 24 07:30:51 oh ok Jul 24 07:30:52 A recovery image isn't an SPL. Jul 24 07:30:52 :-) Jul 24 07:31:02 hi Jul 24 07:31:05 So I install Engineering SPL HBOOT-1.33.2005 Signed update.zip and then the rom Jul 24 07:31:16 Some ROMs will work without having to change the SPL, but I chaged mine anyway. Jul 24 07:31:28 Paladin1908, sounds good. Jul 24 07:31:30 anyone knows any spanish book or doc about android dev? thx Jul 24 07:31:33 haha jf, i guess u laughed Jul 24 07:31:35 i heard the ja-something rom is good Jul 24 07:31:39 OK then!Thanks! Jul 24 07:31:41 the Hero's rom on a g1 Jul 24 07:31:55 JAC? Jul 24 07:32:28 Never heard of it. Jul 24 07:32:32 One more question irrelevant to the last one. Is there a bluetooth app that allows Remote Sim Access (HTC's with Windows Mobile have this option in Bluetooth options). Jul 24 07:32:35 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=522076 Jul 24 07:32:41 JACHero rom Jul 24 07:32:59 I heard 2.7.x was a little slow, though Jul 24 07:33:03 is 2.3.5 fast? Jul 24 07:33:25 Paladin1908, I'm not really sure to be honest. Jul 24 07:33:38 But it doesn't come standard. Jul 24 07:34:08 Yes it doesn't Jul 24 07:34:29 My car's intergated btooth needs remote access sim via bluetooth in order to work... Jul 24 07:34:31 has anyone played with liveandroid? Jul 24 07:34:32 Remote sim access sounds like an exploit waiting to happen Jul 24 07:34:35 There may be a 3rd party app... Jul 24 07:34:55 Although sounds unlikely. Jul 24 07:35:04 Paladin13, i know a guy that talked about a problem with that Jul 24 07:35:05 so i know it works Jul 24 07:35:14 he had his entire contact list get synced Jul 24 07:35:20 rather than just sub groups Jul 24 07:35:33 the complaint was that it was 500 people.. and didnt want all 500 people synced. Jul 24 07:35:41 so, it can be done, just dont know how Jul 24 07:35:48 Do you know what app he used? Jul 24 07:36:07 honestly no. Jul 24 07:36:14 I wasn't paying enough attention Jul 24 07:36:21 damn... Jul 24 07:36:28 see if i can dig up the logs Jul 24 07:37:07 apparently it "works" out of the box. Jul 24 07:37:24 "it syncs my 400-500 contacts" Jul 24 07:37:29 "too many to find by scrolling or by voice-dial" Jul 24 07:38:20 The thing is there are btooth systems for cars that require normal bluetooth conn and sync Jul 24 07:38:27 no remote sim access Jul 24 07:39:04 my car has its own phone. So it needs the btooth sim remote access option in order to get started Jul 24 07:39:27 anyone know what this recent "security upate" is about? I have been tapping 'install later' Jul 24 07:39:59 The funny thing...I have a 65 € Nokia 3110 and it does have Sim Remote Access. My HTC Diamond does as well...But HTC Magic doesnt..Oh well... Jul 24 07:40:38 Android is still a very new platform. Jul 24 07:40:45 True Jul 24 07:40:59 So it's missing quite a few features. Jul 24 07:41:08 Any ideas why they removed the bluetooth API's from the SDK? Jul 24 07:41:08 Remote sim may be some patented crap too Jul 24 07:41:10 One can only hope in the future, these features get added. Jul 24 07:41:20 feel free to start writing them Jul 24 07:41:52 did you guys install the 'security update'? Jul 24 07:41:56 I would...But I think Google removed from the SDK the bluetooth parts...for now... Jul 24 07:43:01 Paladin13, since when does that stop anyone ;) Jul 24 07:43:08 Paladin1908, rather Jul 24 07:44:02 is there a easy way to backup all settings, data, contacts, sms and so one to restore them after flashing a new firmware? i tried to backup /data, that works but i loose the file <--> owner relationship after flashing.. and i don't even get where the users are stored on android ;) Jul 24 07:44:38 wmealing tre... :-) Jul 24 07:44:44 wmealing true :-) Jul 24 07:45:10 fish_: mybackup pro Jul 24 07:45:16 It would be much easier though with the SDK parts... Jul 24 07:45:23 fish_: or backup with permissions. Jul 24 07:45:37 t4c: i backeup it with permissions Jul 24 07:45:42 motherfuck. Jul 24 07:46:07 t4c: but, of course, with nummeric uid/gids and i loose that relationship with upgrade.. you know what i mean? Jul 24 07:46:09 Fish, nandroid backup. Jul 24 07:46:43 Paladin1908, if you feel up to the challenge.. i think you can get root start writing it.. try and make it mirror the previous BT sdk Jul 24 07:46:53 Kinnoken: does that really work to restore _only_ the settings after flashing a new, fresh image? Jul 24 07:47:07 yo guys Jul 24 07:47:16 (settings and data, but nothing on the rootfs/core apps) Jul 24 07:47:37 Paladin1908, ask on xda-developers see if anyone can start by getting you the spec Jul 24 07:47:43 am I the only got a request to update the firmware? Jul 24 07:47:47 err the only one Jul 24 07:48:14 fish_, oh, no... I thought you wanted the whole phone backed up. Jul 24 07:48:22 Kinnoken: well, no, it just backup each partition.. so i have the same issue. if i just restore /data all files will belong to some nummeric uid/gids Jul 24 07:48:39 1 more noob question. While applying the Engineering SPL HBOOT-1.33.2005 Signed update.zip (I already renamed it to update.zip and got it in my SD card) in fastboot mode, does my phone need to be connected with my PC? Jul 24 07:48:42 Kinnoken: i want just that - i guess pretty obvious feature - upgrade without loosing all my data ;) Jul 24 07:49:01 wmealing I already have a topic...Hope I can Have some responses... :-) Jul 24 07:49:25 yo guys. I really want to put the hero rom on my magic, but I'm still scared of bricking my phone Jul 24 07:49:34 Paladin1908, http://markmail.org/message/i2jl257idb4vnvrk <-- seems to make me think the code is done on the bluez side Jul 24 07:49:40 so its just a matter of hooking up the java hooks Jul 24 07:49:41 HELLO Jul 24 07:49:41 it looks damn awesome, anyone with experiences with the hero rom on the magic? Jul 24 07:49:43 Paladin1908, link ? Jul 24 07:49:47 HI Jul 24 07:50:01 HI Jul 24 07:50:15 HELLO Jul 24 07:50:42 Paladin1908, that version has dbus, which i _think_ that the android phone also uses. Jul 24 07:50:56 interesting Jul 24 07:51:01 Paladin1908, so it may just be a matter of getting the right binary on the phone and talking to the daemon through dbus Jul 24 07:51:01 wmealing: your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries Jul 24 07:51:17 thanks! Jul 24 07:51:19 paladin1908: Your brother drives an ice cream truck Jul 24 07:51:19 aurman, i assure you.. i am the best of that possible mating, i'm purple AND furry. Jul 24 07:51:24 I will look into it Jul 24 07:51:32 ok, so you do see what I'm typing Jul 24 07:51:38 no Jul 24 07:51:44 we dont see anything Jul 24 07:51:47 i see everyone's questions getting answered but mine Jul 24 07:52:08 aurman, i dont / most people don't run the same rom you do. Jul 24 07:52:16 sooo.. the question should be a little more defined Jul 24 07:52:27 stock Jul 24 07:52:30 something like this Jul 24 07:52:52 morning ladies, wondering if anyone else running is getting a security update via ? Jul 24 07:53:02 I wonder. the only way to really brick the phone is while flashing the SPL, right? I have .0004 on my Magic, can I install hero without flashing the spl? Jul 24 07:53:07 t4c: do you know what i mean? for example: my google maps can't write to its dbs because they belong to 10000:10000 (thats what was stored in the backup) but now google maps is running als 'app_17'. so i need to chown the files to that user.. Jul 24 07:53:15 zilenCe, only ever seen bricks from spl mods. Jul 24 07:53:17 security update for G1 with stock rom Jul 24 07:53:21 no mods, no roots, no nothing Jul 24 07:53:32 aurman, try asking it as a full sentence. Jul 24 07:53:40 what is asking ? Jul 24 07:54:04 the true art of getting your questions answered, is asking the correct question. Jul 24 07:54:08 HI OKAY, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE SECURITY UPDATE FOR THE G1 WITH A STOCK ROM ON T-MOBILE THAT JUST RECENTLY POPPED UP IN THE PAST WEEK OR SO Jul 24 07:54:10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKKiY-9lYwQ Jul 24 07:54:19 holy crap Jul 24 07:54:23 That is uncalled for. Jul 24 07:54:23 wmealing: when reading on the xda forums lots of people seem to have bricked their phones Jul 24 07:54:33 and now he yells. Jul 24 07:54:43 I was making sure you could read it clearly Jul 24 07:54:47 but the question was clear. Jul 24 07:54:48 is there some kind of a definite guide on how to get a decent hero installation on the magic without the chance of breaking it? Jul 24 07:54:48 so there would be absolutely no confusion Jul 24 07:55:05 zilenCe, the main obstacle is getting the SPL on there. Jul 24 07:55:14 Find out exactly which model your phone is, and find out which SPL to use. Jul 24 07:55:16 I'm pretty sure you understood my first question Jul 24 07:55:21 99/100 of those g1's are just owners without an sdcard reader and they think it's bricked Jul 24 07:55:25 why do I have to flash the SPL anyway? Jul 24 07:55:26 no, i didnt know if you were running the adp Jul 24 07:55:30 Once you have the right SPL, you can't really brick your phone. Jul 24 07:55:37 adp? Jul 24 07:55:44 i didnt know which carrier, considering that its SINGTEL or Telstra, optus or orange Jul 24 07:55:51 zilenCe, there's quite a few reasons... mainly due to security restrictions... Jul 24 07:55:53 I am stuck again...Oh well... Jul 24 07:56:12 so, with my .0004 SPL there is no chance of installing hero without flashing it, right? Jul 24 07:56:13 But, some ROM's don't need you to replace the SPL. Jul 24 07:56:17 adp == android developer phone Jul 24 07:56:23 However, I think as far as Hero ROMs go, you need a new SPL. Jul 24 07:56:25 it's not a developer phone Jul 24 07:56:27 it's the Tmobile G1 Jul 24 07:56:31 i know, you said tmobile Jul 24 07:56:32 i would only need a list of apps in the com.google.android... format and under which uid they will be started Jul 24 07:56:47 (take note, not everyone is also in the US) Jul 24 07:56:50 zilenCe, you can try... if it doesn't work, your phone will still be okay. Use nandroid to make a backup and restore, etc. Jul 24 07:56:52 anyone here uses a hero rom on the Magic? Jul 24 07:57:02 zilenCe, I've tried quite a few. Jul 24 07:57:09 But I always end up going back. Jul 24 07:57:10 does it run nicely? Jul 24 07:57:14 oh Jul 24 07:57:21 I have a few personal issues with it. Jul 24 07:57:27 ask again in a few hours, aurman Jul 24 07:57:29 or maybe 30 minutes Jul 24 07:57:32 mind sharing? Jul 24 07:57:51 1) Hero camera, bit messed up. 2) LED's don't work properly. 3) Bluetooth headset fucked up. 4) HTC Hero contacts is fucking slow... Jul 24 07:57:57 wow, thank you all for the valuable information you've provided Jul 24 07:57:59 mhh Jul 24 07:58:05 5) Don't use twitter or flicker or facebook. Jul 24 07:58:20 6) Incompatibilities with ring tone apps that I use. Jul 24 07:58:23 I take it it is better to stay with the cupcake Jul 24 07:58:23 i'm extremely glad that you guys are all nice and forthcoming with your knowledge. Jul 24 07:59:02 aurman, if you piss people off right of the bat, they're going to give you the cold shoulder. Jul 24 07:59:46 zilenCe, other than those problems, Hero is pretty cool. Jul 24 07:59:50 the linuxutils are strange on android.. looks like i cant change the gid with chown?! Jul 24 08:00:04 still, you were going back ;) Jul 24 08:00:08 Also, it breaks Meebo IM's integration with contacts. Jul 24 08:00:13 I use Meebo. Jul 24 08:00:41 Not really Hero's fault, but it falls back to the HTC People app (replacement for contacts), which annoys me. Jul 24 08:00:53 kinnoken: I didn't piss anyone off, I asked like three really simple questions that were completely ignored Jul 24 08:01:09 aurman, well, you've just further pissed me off... Good day, sir. Jul 24 08:01:43 is there some filesystem documentation? "which files for which purpose is where?' Jul 24 08:02:05 Kinnoken: o goodness no! You've been so kind to me up until now! Whatever shall I do? Jul 24 08:02:07 fish_, I don't recall any cheatsheets. Jul 24 08:02:47 aurman, I am not paid to be kind to you. Jul 24 08:02:47 Kinnoken: do you know where the stuff is stored to decide under which user a app runs? Jul 24 08:02:52 fish_, /data/data/ for app settings /system for stuff that ships with the phone Jul 24 08:03:02 /sdcard for the sdcard Jul 24 08:03:07 well yes Jul 24 08:03:10 i know Jul 24 08:03:12 fish_, unfortunately not, but I would also like to know as well. Jul 24 08:03:14 Fish, what.. specifically do you need to know ? Jul 24 08:03:23 wmealing: 10:02 < fish_> Kinnoken: do you know where the stuff is stored to decide under which user a app runs? Jul 24 08:03:26 Kinnoken: I'm not paid to give a shit if you're pissed off, what a coincidence. Jul 24 08:03:38 aurman, well then, I'm happy. :D Jul 24 08:03:50 i need to get a list of apps and unter which gid/uid they will run.. so fix my permissions in /data/data Jul 24 08:03:53 Excellent. Jul 24 08:03:54 aurman, have you actually bothered to try and use google at all? Jul 24 08:03:56 to.. Jul 24 08:04:02 Fish, taking a step back from the problem... why is this ? Jul 24 08:04:16 Fish, as a user space app, you wont be able to change it. Jul 24 08:04:22 Kinnoken: yes, and who knows which answers to believe, unfortunately. Jul 24 08:04:26 wmealing: because i updated everything and restored /data Jul 24 08:04:30 ah Jul 24 08:04:32 wmealing: i'm root ;) Jul 24 08:04:38 * wmealing nods Jul 24 08:04:51 Fish, there are apps2 sdcard scripts Jul 24 08:04:54 pull one of those apart. Jul 24 08:05:02 i think thats your best bet. Jul 24 08:05:25 i believe that cyanogen did something similar in a script called "fix permissions" Jul 24 08:05:28 aurman, I think you should believe the official advisary board. Jul 24 08:05:30 wmealing: sounds good Jul 24 08:06:02 Kinnoken: they always sneak in "fixes" of things that some might find useful, so I wanted to know if it did anything unpublished/tricky Jul 24 08:08:20 http://www.ocert.org/advisories/ocert-2009-011.html Jul 24 08:08:42 http://n0rp.chemlab.org/android/fix_permissions.sh <- great =) Jul 24 08:08:48 wmealing: thanks Jul 24 08:09:02 its /data/system/packages.xml ;) Jul 24 08:09:16 but i restored that too.. uhm.. Jul 24 08:09:32 no problem Jul 24 08:09:33 Maybe it got re-created? Jul 24 08:09:43 possible.. Jul 24 08:09:44 and nothing sneaky, i'm assuming now. Jul 24 08:10:09 Haven't heard anyone complaining Jul 24 08:10:17 but that linux is strange.. Jul 24 08:10:20 -rw-rw-rw- 1 0 0 1362 Jun 7 20:39 fix_permissions.sh Jul 24 08:10:26 but its _not_ empty ;) Jul 24 08:10:34 hehehe Jul 24 08:16:15 wmealing: you saved my day ;) Jul 24 08:16:29 now i have another question :D Jul 24 08:16:40 anyone know where the wpa keys get stored? Jul 24 08:16:50 yes Jul 24 08:16:57 fc Jul 24 08:17:09 i hate to type my 63 char keys in with that tiny keyboard ;) Jul 24 08:17:28 t4c: fc? Jul 24 08:17:41 false channel Jul 24 08:18:37 t4c: ah, so you don't mean me ;) Jul 24 08:25:14 for optima speed...swap+compcache userinit.sh settings: http://pastebin.org/3931 Jul 24 08:25:41 fish_, i think they are stored in the settings database. Jul 24 08:31:06 wmealing: /data/data/com.android.providers.settings/databases/settings.db? Jul 24 08:32:28 fish, i'd think so Jul 24 08:33:06 corrected: http://pastebin.org/3933 Jul 24 08:35:06 wmealing: looks like there is nothing like that in the db.. Jul 24 08:36:10 one moment Jul 24 08:37:46 http://developer.android.com/reference/android/net/wifi/WifiConfiguration.html <- this is how i could access it from java.. Jul 24 08:38:42 * wmealing is looking through the settings source code Jul 24 08:38:47 i really dont know what parcles are Jul 24 08:39:26 <_Auron_> data packages Jul 24 08:40:33 http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/packages/apps/Settings.git;a=blob_plain;f=src/com/android/settings/wifi/AccessPointDialog.java;hb=HEAD Jul 24 08:40:35 i figured its there Jul 24 08:40:53 see onSaveInstanceState Jul 24 08:41:03 or.. maybe not Jul 24 08:41:27 i could use strace -e open ;) Jul 24 08:42:15 hi all Jul 24 08:42:44 does anyone have a problem with there lock screen Jul 24 08:43:02 mine seams to get stuck on sometimes and drains my battery quite quick Jul 24 08:54:00 ah crap Jul 24 08:54:27 looks like the fix_permission script made my contacts db unreadable Jul 24 08:59:34 what are your permissions for com.android.providers.contacts/databases/contacts.db? Jul 24 09:02:22 wtf? strange.. now it works again.. Jul 24 09:03:00 rotfl Jul 24 09:03:20 really weird.. Jul 24 09:11:25 anyone up? Jul 24 09:11:36 Nope. Jul 24 09:11:39 Hi everybody Jul 24 09:11:41 heheh :) Jul 24 09:11:56 is there anyone can intercept the incoming call on android? Jul 24 09:12:30 intercept it? Jul 24 09:12:35 yes Jul 24 09:12:57 and not let the user aware of the interception Jul 24 09:13:38 I can reject the incoming call now, but can't stop the incoming call notification Jul 24 09:19:35 far beyond my reaches i'm afraid, i've actually only gotten to the point where i can't get my polaris running android to succesfully create a data connection Jul 24 09:21:12 * wmealing cheers Jul 24 09:21:15 that is a good effort ! Jul 24 09:25:00 the incoming call screen appeared for a while and disappear Jul 24 09:27:36 anyone knows about spanish documentation for android? Jul 24 09:59:19 vicente_: I think there are only English and Japanese documents Jul 24 09:59:33 yes, i think so Jul 24 09:59:39 under windows i use putty, ubuntu has a terminel and now i found an app for android to connect via ssh. is there a way to sync my saved connections from putty with the other 2 clients? Jul 24 09:59:41 thanks Jul 24 09:59:58 Bluespuke: i don't think so Jul 24 10:00:00 or can i just store links like ssh://user:pass@host ? Jul 24 10:00:39 real openssh uses a configfile to storage such things (not really store, you need to add them yourself...) Jul 24 10:00:44 connectbot no idea Jul 24 10:00:51 and putty manages its own config Jul 24 10:01:20 connectbot responds to any ssh://user@host uris Jul 24 10:01:28 but doesnt take passwords, and for good reason ;) Jul 24 10:01:58 Hi Jul 24 10:02:17 I'm having som problem with an OpenGL app on Android Jul 24 10:02:18 its actually ssh://user@host:port/#nickname Jul 24 10:02:28 nickname? Jul 24 10:02:35 what's a nickname for ssh? Jul 24 10:02:36 I can see my object on the emulator...but on the device I get a black screen.. Jul 24 10:02:41 no error, just black screen Jul 24 10:02:50 sipa1024: Just what it displays to the user for that connection Jul 24 10:03:05 kRutOn: lol do you ever sleep? :P Jul 24 10:03:17 jsharkey: I have kids! Of course not. Jul 24 10:03:28 Hi it's the noob again. :-) Quick question. Just flash my HTC Magic with 2.7.4 JACHeroski ROM. HTC Sync from Windows does not recognize my phone now. The phone screen does not have an HTC Sync option anymore. How can I get this back? Jul 24 10:05:31 jsharkey: cool, i don't need to stare the pass so this could go Jul 24 10:05:35 jsharkey: Plus, I think I might have fixed the ICU 4.2.1 problem I was having Jul 24 10:08:45 hm, does Android have SASL built-in? Jul 24 10:11:21 grr Jul 24 10:11:49 pid: 602, tid: 602 >>> com.android.phone <<< signal 11 (SIGSEGV), fault addr 0000000c Jul 24 10:11:56 We don't need that process, right?! :-) Jul 24 10:13:21 Paladin1908, look around for PSCII.apl Jul 24 10:13:26 PSCII.apk sorry. Jul 24 10:13:31 Install that onto your phone. Jul 24 10:17:45 I have a question about rooting my Dream, is it allowed to ask such a question? Jul 24 10:18:43 Of course. Jul 24 10:19:00 Hopefully someone can help. Jul 24 10:19:20 can someone please help me out? Jul 24 10:19:43 I am currently following the instructions on http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442480 I am at the point where I have to run 'flash_image recovery recovery.img' however, I am getting an error claiming that the file does not exist Jul 24 10:19:53 Hachaso, you'll just have to hang around for a while, repost your question every hour or 30 minutes if the activity is high. Jul 24 10:20:10 where is your recovery.img? Jul 24 10:20:15 on the sdcard Jul 24 10:20:16 tktn: you have to copy the file onto sdcard and you have to give right path or beside in /sdcard Jul 24 10:20:28 cd /sdcard Jul 24 10:20:32 do you have file extensions turned off? Jul 24 10:20:34 tktn flash_image recovery /sdcard/recovery.img Jul 24 10:20:35 flash_image recovery recovery.img Jul 24 10:20:41 Remember, case sensitive. Jul 24 10:20:52 yes, file extensions is turned off, it is all lowercase Jul 24 10:21:02 File extensions? Jul 24 10:21:04 tktn: cd /sdcard; ls Jul 24 10:21:23 tktn: look if the filename fits and is not recoery.img.img Jul 24 10:21:29 or something other bad fuckup Jul 24 10:21:49 ls doesn't display anything Jul 24 10:21:54 ok. Thanks Jul 24 10:22:09 tktn: have you still mounted via usb? Jul 24 10:22:20 /sdcard/recovery.img has the same problem Jul 24 10:22:21 yes Jul 24 10:22:29 umount first ^^ Jul 24 10:22:33 you must turn off the USB -> sdcard connection Jul 24 10:22:56 ah, okay, ls displays the files now :) Jul 24 10:23:00 hrhr Jul 24 10:23:02 There we go. Jul 24 10:28:16 which image should I apply? I live in Australia, so I would prefer it doesn't try to communicate with international telecom providers Jul 24 10:31:05 You need the AussieAussieAussieOiOiOi rom Jul 24 10:31:35 tktn: just deactivate data roaming Jul 24 10:31:44 tktn: try JesusFreke's Roms they are fine Jul 24 10:32:12 it would be good to see comprehensive reviews of all the ROMs out there Jul 24 10:32:39 where should I go to get JesusFreke's roms? Jul 24 10:33:18 sorry for not jfgi, but I don't want to screw up and brick the device Jul 24 10:36:14 also, it appears that JesusFreke provides three different versions, should I get the ADP, US or UK version? Jul 24 10:36:36 keeping in mind that I purchased my HTC Dream in Australia Jul 24 10:38:58 not much difference in firmware except how phone numbers and dates are displayed Jul 24 10:41:34 HI.. no eth0 on the androidOS .. how do i set it? Jul 24 10:42:00 is it possible to modify the format that phone numbers are displayed? Jul 24 10:42:23 not via the phone ui Jul 24 10:43:18 what is involved in modifying it? terminal? hex editor? Jul 24 10:43:42 si the proceedure documented? Jul 24 10:44:16 no idea, not even sure if anyone's tried, ay least i've never seen anyone post about it Jul 24 10:45:23 anyone who can help me now? Jul 24 10:45:36 with some Android OpenGL problems Jul 24 10:45:38 ? Jul 24 10:45:53 its not much of an issue, usa = MM/DD/YYYY, uk is DD/MM/YYYY not which way adp does it Jul 24 10:46:26 *not sure Jul 24 10:46:37 I will go with UK, it seems other aussies chose that Jul 24 10:47:13 Hi, I am using liveandroid Jul 24 10:47:24 I have application running emulator Jul 24 10:47:44 and I want to copy that app in my running live android Jul 24 10:48:04 when I run live android in Virtual Machine Jul 24 10:48:16 both eth0 and usb drives are not getting detected Jul 24 10:48:45 so no net connection on virtual machine Jul 24 10:49:25 can anybody help to configure network connection in Virtual Machien Jul 24 10:49:29 Machine* Jul 24 10:49:33 ? Jul 24 10:51:29 I am at the final step 6 'Press alt-W to wipe your device.' is it normal for the phone to reset and boot up normally after that? Jul 24 10:52:48 no Jul 24 10:52:55 Which recovery image are you using? Jul 24 10:53:22 UK version from http://android-dls.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=526&start=0 Jul 24 10:53:47 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442480 is the instructions I was following Jul 24 10:54:05 the second step 6 of the 'What To Do Now That You Have Root' Jul 24 10:56:39 oh, I tried again, but I displayed the menu (alt-L) beforehand, and now it remains at that screen Jul 24 11:10:08 is it safe to delete DREAIMG.NBH, recovery.img and update.zip after I have finished rooting the Dream, or is it still needed? Jul 24 11:10:35 you can remove them Jul 24 11:20:22 could someone please help me out with an OpenGL Android app I have Jul 24 11:20:38 works fine on the emulator, but I get a black screen on device Jul 24 11:21:33 I get this messages when I run adb logcat Jul 24 11:21:35 W/ActivityManager( 54): Launch timeout has expired, giving up wake lock! Jul 24 11:21:35 W/ActivityManager( 54): Activity idle timeout for HistoryRecord{43b45ec8 {org.example.opengl/org.example.opengl.OpenGL}} Jul 24 11:21:51 mm Jul 24 11:21:51 anyone? Jul 24 11:21:55 lunch timeout Jul 24 11:21:59 i better go for lunch Jul 24 11:32:36 smooooney Jul 24 11:43:45 hi Jul 24 11:44:04 anyone here in android community Jul 24 11:44:26 We've all gone on holiday together... Jul 24 11:44:49 ? Jul 24 11:56:03 \o Jul 24 11:57:13 o/ Jul 24 11:57:40 /o\ Jul 24 12:02:41 \o/ Jul 24 12:03:13 wow.. friendly fellow early fowl as it were lol Jul 24 12:03:41 'early bird' for us uneducated &/or illiterati ;]] Jul 24 12:21:22 good afternoon all Jul 24 12:21:41 anyone have expericence with TunesRemote? it doesnt seem to remember the settings after close.. Jul 24 12:33:41 <_Auron_> yay eclipse in super retard mode Jul 24 12:34:13 ? Jul 24 12:34:51 <_Auron_> it got lost and didn't know what happened to adb Jul 24 12:36:05 lol Jul 24 12:36:20 window -> reset perspective should fix it Jul 24 12:47:42 * fleebailey33 yawns Jul 24 12:48:08 <_Auron_> mm, my flower enemy is definitely a fun touch to the game Jul 24 12:57:55 So if I were a tz database living in Android, where would I be? Jul 24 13:00:33 ok here is my conclusion on comcache guys...if you don't have a swap partition, compcache may have some benefits to you...it does create more cpu time which means, it uses more battery power, but will allow you to run more programs. If you do have a swap partition, you are better off using it than compcache...it uses less cpu because it does not have to constantly compress pages. downside is, possible shorter lifespan for your sd- Jul 24 13:00:34 card. Jul 24 13:00:47 correct me if am wrong Jul 24 13:04:47 Just what the G1 needs, MORE battery life issues. Jul 24 13:06:47 I am still trying to determine which has better speed. Jul 24 13:07:07 running vmstat didnt really give me what am looking for Jul 24 13:13:36 I wish I knew where to look when my phone starts lagging bad. Jul 24 13:13:57 iCEBrkr: try the ps command Jul 24 13:14:10 I usually get pissed off and just reboot the thing. Jul 24 13:14:12 or look it up to know what filters to use Jul 24 13:14:17 ps doesn't tell ya shit Jul 24 13:14:24 top? Jul 24 13:14:45 One app will be chewing onc 2% of the cpu. systemload will be at 11. Jul 24 13:14:47 Like, really? Jul 24 13:15:04 It's very difficult to figure out whats holding things up Jul 24 13:15:29 dmesg spews a bunch of killed pids. Jul 24 13:15:36 But that doesn't tell ya much either. Jul 24 13:15:47 top command is usually good at tellling you who is using all your cpu Jul 24 13:16:01 Yeah Jul 24 13:16:12 dmesg is for something totally different Jul 24 13:16:27 But when I've done that, nothing looks out of the ordinary, yet my phone pauses a long time Jul 24 13:17:09 and I know the CPU is spiked because the phone gets hot. Jul 24 13:17:48 are you using swap? Jul 24 13:19:29 I haven't hacked/modded anything, it's just a straight Cyanogen build. Jul 24 13:19:45 which version Jul 24 13:19:51 3.6.8.1 Jul 24 13:20:06 that ran smooth for me. but am on 3.9 now Jul 24 13:20:13 3.6.9 Jul 24 13:20:25 It runs great until you launch the browser Jul 24 13:20:38 not here. mine runs great Jul 24 13:20:51 I need some help with an Android app Jul 24 13:21:06 does gtlak closes itself when the phone is idle for various hours? Jul 24 13:21:20 When I run it on the emulator it works fine.. running it on device, I get a black screen... nothing appears Jul 24 13:21:26 what could be wrong? Jul 24 13:21:37 are t mobile and at&t the only carriers i can use with my G1? Jul 24 13:22:15 I do get this message when running adb logcat Jul 24 13:22:17 W/ActivityManager( 54): Launch timeout has expired, giving up wake lock! Jul 24 13:22:17 W/ActivityManager( 54): Activity idle timeout for HistoryRecord{43b45ec8 {org.example.opengl/org.example.opengl.OpenGL}} Jul 24 13:22:27 Laserbeak43: the G1 doesn't work well on AT&T.. No 3G Jul 24 13:23:07 iCEBrkr: that wouldn't be a problem for me. i get edge mostly Jul 24 13:23:10 anyone ? Jul 24 13:23:15 Laserbeak43: ahh Jul 24 13:24:28 i got laid off and had to turn my g1 off Jul 24 13:24:55 do any of the new Android HTCs coming out have a physical keyboard? Jul 24 13:24:59 but now that i'm back i'm thinking if it'd be better form me to pay 155 plus plan fees to restart or go with another supported carrier Jul 24 13:25:08 doesn't look like it ewon Jul 24 13:25:13 Hachaso: http://code.google.com/p/openintents/issues/detail?id=230 Jul 24 13:25:30 although i'd like a smaller version of G1, the keyboard will prove to be userful Jul 24 13:26:23 Nothing compares to the Sidekick keyboard. Jul 24 13:26:26 twois10 : Looked at the link.. mine is an Opengl app on Android Jul 24 13:26:33 ewon: HTC Lancaster Jul 24 13:26:58 twois10: why would u need to unlock Jul 24 13:27:04 ewon: Look at this image for my E-mail address Jul 24 13:27:09 g1 already detects at&T networks Jul 24 13:27:23 do you still need to perform an unlock? Jul 24 13:27:27 ewon: oops wront Ctrl V... http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=htc%20lancaster&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi Jul 24 13:27:36 the problem there is that the black screen appears on the emulator... mine appears only on device Jul 24 13:28:08 Hachaso: its runs fine on the emulator but not on the device...? Jul 24 13:28:28 ok i see Jul 24 13:29:08 which SDK? Jul 24 13:30:10 yes... Jul 24 13:30:21 works on emulator..but not on device Jul 24 13:30:33 SDK 1.5 Jul 24 13:30:54 how can I see the version of the device ?? Jul 24 13:31:28 found it..it says Firmware version 1.5 on the device Jul 24 13:31:44 so it's the same, running on emulator and device.. what could be wrong? Jul 24 13:31:56 your settings about? Jul 24 13:32:31 have you tried the newer sdk? Jul 24 13:32:42 1.5r2 or 1.5r3 Jul 24 13:33:15 I have an HTC magic phone... it says that it runs version 1.5.. but don't know exactly which version Jul 24 13:33:20 how can I find this out? Jul 24 13:34:10 Hachaso: Look for Buildnumber in aboutr phone Jul 24 13:34:25 CRB43 for example is 1.52 aka 1.5r2 Jul 24 13:35:02 build number: 2.16.401.5 Jul 24 13:36:05 is it possible to use the g1 as a bluetooth modem? Jul 24 13:36:32 I'm running SDK 1.5_r3 on the emulator Jul 24 13:36:35 ? Jul 24 13:36:40 mgolisch: have you heard of wifi tether? Jul 24 13:36:49 do I need to use another version to make it work on device ?? Jul 24 13:36:55 twois10: nope, whats that? Jul 24 13:36:56 now called wireless tether Jul 24 13:37:23 basicaly i want to use my g1 as internet connection for my laptop Jul 24 13:37:26 is this possible? Jul 24 13:37:31 allows you to use your wireless+blutooth as modem Jul 24 13:37:35 I wish my problems were simply that I didn't bother to look for tethering problems. Jul 24 13:37:52 *programs Jul 24 13:37:52 twois10 : do I need to use another version of the SDK maybe? Jul 24 13:38:26 mgolisch: me fav here is anetshare's wifi tether .. been using it exclusively for my net connections via 3g for most of 4 months now Jul 24 13:38:40 Hachaso: honestly i dont know. normally when i have that kind of issue and there are newer version of a software, i just get the newer one and see what happens Jul 24 13:38:48 could also be bad coding Jul 24 13:38:58 mgolisch: my new pad's neighborhood is on waiting list for hispeed cable.. 3g is me only net ;]] Jul 24 13:39:07 did you customize your device in the emulator Jul 24 13:40:09 I've got a problem with JesusFreke's image... the SU Request just gives me a black window. Jul 24 13:40:16 both of those require a rooted phone right? Jul 24 13:40:17 :) Jul 24 13:40:39 mgolisch: there's no reason not to root it :P Jul 24 13:40:47 lol Jul 24 13:41:01 this phone would totally suck without it being rooted Jul 24 13:41:05 mgolisch: in theory the usb tether would be ideal accept for fact that heavy net traffic = huge battery drain on G1's .. so using the mini usb cable wont always work anyway.. laptop charge.. ive proved.. cant keep up with drain.. hence my use of the wifi vs usb tether.. so i can keep G1 wall charging to keep up Jul 24 13:41:21 mgolisch: yes.. root required last i knew Jul 24 13:41:59 mgolisch: rooting takes max 15 mins for video brain tards like me.. 5 or < for geek'a'zoid types ;]] Jul 24 13:43:18 hm, need to find my goldcard Jul 24 13:43:43 root when i did was when it first came out, the instruction sucked. and plus there was no x64 drivers for the phone. Jul 24 13:43:46 tech9iner: or like 5 hours to find the right how-to Jul 24 13:43:48 \o spaztik Jul 24 13:43:51 some how i got it done Jul 24 13:44:00 hehe Jul 24 13:44:11 i didnt bother with that yet Jul 24 13:44:19 hey tech9iner Jul 24 13:44:27 i was realy happy to get rid of that shity iphone 1st gen Jul 24 13:44:28 :) Jul 24 13:44:37 hehe Jul 24 13:44:45 now if we can get the other sheep to say the same :S Jul 24 13:44:49 but now , instructions are everywhere and you can do it with ubuntu live cd, vista, xp Jul 24 13:45:14 FreakGuard: indeed.. android is still amuck with obtuse OVER & Unnecessarily intimidating how tos.. the 'man page' phenom.. Jul 24 13:45:24 yeah i think you can even generate a oldcard for free now Jul 24 13:46:18 so I want to bring up a controversial issue that has be a bit angry Jul 24 13:46:28 FreakGuard: sprinkled the always prominent 'taint me fault if you fckg brick ur phone' disclaimers to reassure us commoners .. Jul 24 13:46:37 *sprinkled with.. Jul 24 13:46:52 ok, i gotta work today :S Jul 24 13:46:56 so i'm gunna duck out for a bit Jul 24 13:47:17 * tech9iner is shirley glad _spaztik_ got to see me few sex.. Jul 24 13:47:21 tech9iner: any idea about the superuser permissions :/ Jul 24 13:47:24 Hachaso: looks like same problem here: http://www.mail-archive.com/android-developers@googlegroups.com/msg15063.html Jul 24 13:47:45 are you guys aware of the website, I won't name it but it sounds like androidnapteck ? and is giving away our paid apps for free? Jul 24 13:47:45 FreakGuard: other than it just works for me here?.. cant buy a clue ;]] Jul 24 13:48:19 I'm curious what other devs think about it, should be take action? should google? Jul 24 13:48:26 wonder how more powerful the lancaster will be compared to the dream Jul 24 13:48:35 eh, piracy happens, get over it, move on Jul 24 13:48:39 also wonder when an adp2 will be released Jul 24 13:48:44 monban: that honestly.. even for OCD fervor fans of open source like me me.. sux Jul 24 13:49:04 should be free anyway Jul 24 13:49:05 but this is like piracy so blatent, so polished... Jul 24 13:49:19 they have this air of legitimacy, it's like this... Jul 24 13:49:32 balance with f^x 's out too tho.. gonna happen.. Jul 24 13:49:35 if you're not going to get rich making an app that 50 people download and 100 pirate, you're not going to become rich making an app that 150 people buy Jul 24 13:49:52 I think if Good People know they are pirating, they will avoid it if they can, but these guys... it doesn't even feel like staling Jul 24 13:49:56 why try to make money from open source Jul 24 13:50:12 tech9iner: hm... probably reupdate the image Jul 24 13:50:26 most android devs are not going to get rich from your app, regardless of whether that site exists or not Jul 24 13:50:32 just make your apps and ask for optional donations Jul 24 13:50:33 monban: ditto and spot on laddie.. just do your part to proclaim its happenstance.. then move on ;]].. law of karma will prevail long term Jul 24 13:50:41 sux but it's true, it's sturgeon's law Jul 24 13:50:45 B1OS: nothing wrong in try to make money off of opensource Jul 24 13:50:49 90% of everything is crap. Jul 24 13:51:43 twois10 : yes seems like it.. I'll have a good look Jul 24 13:51:47 thanks a lot Jul 24 13:51:55 if you really want to make money writing android apps, write your own for the experience, then get someone to hire you for their own project Jul 24 13:52:02 like Apple, didnt they take Linux and Make Mac OS? Then charge and close it Jul 24 13:52:22 B1OS: almost right but exactly wrong! Jul 24 13:52:32 B1OS: methinks osx is closer to built off unix no? Jul 24 13:52:34 lol Jul 24 13:52:34 well Mac as much as i dont care for it, was never linux Jul 24 13:52:37 heh, yes, almost right in that it's completely wrong Jul 24 13:52:41 its more like bsd Jul 24 13:53:00 they took userland bsd and the mach microkernel and the GUI bits of NextSTEP and made OSX Jul 24 13:53:15 nothing to do with linux Jul 24 13:53:17 unix = Jobs' NEXT = apples osx no? Jul 24 13:53:50 NEXT is BSD userland with a custom application framework on top of it Jul 24 13:54:05 and yes, OSX was based on NEXT Jul 24 13:54:17 * tech9iner 'd be a huge mac fan.. with exception of how sucktard anti-open source they are.. they've got some great tech sadly.. Jul 24 13:54:20 Ugh, I wish the "share" feature would work with videos longer than 1.5 minutes -- it always says "too large to attach" even though I only intend to upload it to youtube. Jul 24 13:54:46 anyway, the BSD license explicity permits commercial, closed-source derivatives Jul 24 13:54:57 so it's not like they did anything underhanded or illegal. Jul 24 13:55:23 it would have been illegal if the'd done it to linux, but, uh, they didn't Jul 24 13:55:31 read other day precipitous drops on apples pc sales side of late.. new iphone soaring still tho.. Jul 24 13:55:40 tech9iner: got the link to the JF images handy? Jul 24 13:56:07 B1OS: read more. Jul 24 13:56:43 change G1 to iG1 and the sales would increase 50%, has nothing to do with the device/OS...all name brand+marketing Jul 24 13:56:57 FreakGuard: eh.. honestly.. i just swapped me jf imgs for cyanogen's mate.. not as handy as before.. shirley found on xda wiki tho.. albeit infamously obtuse wiki as it were Jul 24 13:57:51 twois10 : I found the problem Jul 24 13:58:01 I commented out this line: gl.glEnableClientState(GL10.GL_TEXTURE_COORD_ARRAY); Jul 24 13:58:10 and it works on device.. strange I think Jul 24 13:58:35 f^x: I would if i was interesten in Apple, it was a question to start with anyway :) Jul 24 13:58:42 FreakGuard: JesusFreke's site is http://jf.andblogs.net/ you should be able to find his roms on there in short order Jul 24 13:58:42 same issue as the link, something to do with the array Hachaso Jul 24 13:58:43 *interested Jul 24 13:59:05 * tech9iner wishes for me fellow '20%'ers' video brains.. we had a self help info bot here like me home channel bot i edit / contribute too in #opensuse .. ie '''[06:59] tech9iner; the geek wanna be with a helpful heart but a non-logical & thereby non geek savvy brain; show him flashcards & he retains but.. show him archaic command lines to retain & he fails miserably!''' ;]]] Jul 24 13:59:56 anybody have HTCmusic working on CM 3.9? Jul 24 14:00:06 monban: i do Jul 24 14:00:29 twois10: I tried to apply it directly and it flipped out, did you have to tweak it? Jul 24 14:00:48 jf imgs served me quite well till cupcake.. strangely me g1 went awry with force closings by the hour on cupcake.. even post wipe and nandroid restore.. likewise strangely.. cyanogen's im has only offered me one force close problem now last sev days.. cant buy a clue Jul 24 14:00:51 you have to give up cgroups Jul 24 14:01:11 Hi guys... Where can I find any example about _curve_ Animations? i'm adding several Animation objects into an AnimationSet, but it moves directly from the start point to the end point. Jul 24 14:01:28 monban: am using htc_hero theme 1.45 on CM 3.9 Jul 24 14:01:45 twois10: ah. hmm, I wonder why cgroups messes with the htc framework? Jul 24 14:02:44 well, if you are going to use that theme, make sure you set your home screen, because you lose acces to extend option Jul 24 14:02:52 tech9iner: huh, nandroid restore will kinda undo your wipe :P Jul 24 14:03:01 I had a dream (lol) that the pixon12 will have 800Mhz processor and 600MB RAM :) Jul 24 14:03:14 iCEBrkr: got that.. where you been?.. vacation?.. heheh wink wink Jul 24 14:03:39 tech9iner: (10:00) < tech9iner> jf imgs served me quite well till cupcake.. strangely me g1 went awry with force closings by the hour on cupcake.. even post wipe and nandroid restore.. Jul 24 14:04:17 monban: you have to "adb push libandroid_runtime.so /system/lib" from 3.6.5 in order for you to use the theme and htcMusic Jul 24 14:05:32 twois10: so just that file and turn off cgroups and it should be good to go? thanks, I'll try it! Jul 24 14:05:44 the Xperia X3 has/will have 1GHz processor? Jul 24 14:07:07 monban: i dont know if it turns it off complete, but rather just some functions...you could also try the Pre theme which has htcMusic Jul 24 14:07:55 twois10: in the past I've just installed HtcMusic alone, from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=530572 Jul 24 14:08:08 here is the Pre theme, very nice http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=535472 Jul 24 14:08:31 neat, thanks Jul 24 14:08:45 i tried just installing htcmusic, it didnt work Jul 24 14:11:19 okay, what's the name of the app that stores sms messages in gmail? Jul 24 14:12:07 monban: sms backup Jul 24 14:12:13 prodigy: thank you! Jul 24 14:12:32 that's almost too obvious (/hangs head in shame) Jul 24 14:13:46 so, does anyone think someone will work on the Samsung Pixon12 to get android running on it? how likely is it? Jul 24 14:15:47 i think google should port android to all new handsets in their free time :) Jul 24 14:16:10 B1OS: friend of mine is trying to port openmoko to the htc dream... he's swearing all the time. Jul 24 14:16:55 well, there are lots of closed bits of hardware that are very difficult to reverse engineer in a handset, it's generally beyond the scope of a loose team of coders doing this in their off-time Jul 24 14:17:15 if you have about six figures of cash to throw at it you could probably get something done Jul 24 14:17:31 thats the problem really, it's mainly HTC that android gets ported to Jul 24 14:17:55 the phone makers themselves can do it much easier because they have access to all the hardware docs Jul 24 14:18:02 but you have to convince them to do it somehow Jul 24 14:18:51 all I want for christmas is an android phone with a physical keyboard, rosie, and half a gig of ram Jul 24 14:18:58 like, xda-devs are dedicated to HTC, where can i find a community dedicated to porting androind to other devices like samsung Jul 24 14:18:58 anyone use TunesRemote Jul 24 14:19:34 oh, it should be network agnostic too, but I know that's asking too much :p Jul 24 14:19:45 B1OS: there's a group of people porting it to Nokia internet tablets, but they are stymied by similar closed devices and binary blob drivers Jul 24 14:19:56 and it's a very small group Jul 24 14:20:05 HTC is maybe also somewhat easier: they have already some phones for which an android system exists, and they probably reuse components among different phones Jul 24 14:20:08 #nitdroid Jul 24 14:21:06 monban: you could always open up the G1 and change the RAM Jul 24 14:22:00 should be a Samdroid :) Jul 24 14:23:59 surely someone here uses TunesRemote? Jul 24 14:33:37 Jul 24 14:35:45 monban, rosie? Jul 24 14:36:57 poningru: the earlier name of HTC Sense, i suppose Jul 24 14:37:16 ah ic Jul 24 14:37:34 What do I need to install to get the android suite of utilities that includes "adb" ? Jul 24 14:37:43 android sdk Jul 24 14:38:05 buleeahn: http://developer.android.com/intl/fr/sdk/1.5_r3/index.html Jul 24 14:38:19 No way....that's part of the sdk? Jul 24 14:38:23 yes Jul 24 14:38:29 pfft... Jul 24 14:38:31 I've got that! Jul 24 14:38:36 I just haven't put it into my $PATH!! Jul 24 14:38:36 what os? Jul 24 14:38:41 right :) Jul 24 14:38:42 Thank you sipa1024. Jul 24 14:38:44 :-) Jul 24 14:38:46 yw Jul 24 14:38:47 I feel like a dumbass. Jul 24 14:41:31 Hrm...so if I run "adb shell" I get back "no device". Jul 24 14:41:55 do you have a hw device connected or an emulator running? Jul 24 14:42:16 I've got a device connected via usb. So it's over usb and not wifi? Jul 24 14:42:51 i only have experience with the emulator Jul 24 14:43:12 Gotcha. Jul 24 14:44:08 buleeahn "adb devices" will show you what is available Jul 24 14:44:29 Yeah, I saw that a moment ago and tried it, but the list was empty. Jul 24 14:44:43 Do I simply connect the G1 via usb and then run that command? Jul 24 14:44:51 Or is there prepwork required on the G1 first? Jul 24 14:46:23 install the driver? Jul 24 14:47:08 I'm in linux, so what do I need to do to install the driver? Jul 24 14:47:27 which distro? Jul 24 14:49:34 Fedora. Jul 24 14:49:49 Debian. Jul 24 14:50:14 Slackware. Jul 24 14:50:17 lawlz Jul 24 14:50:21 I used to use Slackware Jul 24 14:50:42 until one day I decided I wanted to get actual work done instead of pissing around with my distro all day, so I moved to Debian Jul 24 14:50:45 That was my distro of choice from '96 to '98 Jul 24 14:50:49 * ewon still has a slackware t-shirt somewhere Jul 24 14:51:11 i use Ubuntu at the moment Jul 24 14:51:16 due to some driver issues Jul 24 14:52:38 lsusb shows a device by the name of "High Tech Computer Corp."...and the device disappears when I disconnect my G1. Jul 24 14:53:03 that's a cheap laptop: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10294065-64.html?part=rss Jul 24 14:53:05 However, even after disconnecting & reconnecting & verifying it's there I still cannot see the device with "adb devices". Jul 24 14:53:24 Even after an "adb kill-server" and rerunning adb devices. Jul 24 14:53:30 Do I need a udev rule or something? Jul 24 14:53:59 Did you check this? http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/device.html Jul 24 14:54:32 buleeahn: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=adb+ubuntu&l=1 :) Jul 24 14:56:07 USB debug is on already, but the udev rules I'll try right now. Jul 24 14:57:08 THAT DID IT!!! Jul 24 14:57:12 It was the udev rule. Jul 24 14:57:18 Thank you jbq! Jul 24 14:58:10 Wow, adb shell rocks. Jul 24 14:58:20 No more telnetd, finally. Jul 24 14:58:55 Has anyone installed a better version of bash on their device? Jul 24 14:59:26 has anyone other than nasa ever taken photos of the moon landing site? :PJ Jul 24 14:59:49 has nasa ever stopped anyone from trying? Jul 24 14:59:51 presumably theres stuff left there.. like the flag etc Jul 24 15:00:05 no.. but why hasnt anyone even tried? Jul 24 15:00:31 it was 40 years ago.. we can put satellites into space.. cant one be turned around and pointed at the moon? Jul 24 15:00:48 distance... Jul 24 15:01:17 i understand you cant do it from within the earths atmosphere.. but surely outside the atmosphere you could zoom over that distance pretty well? Jul 24 15:01:42 why not hubble? Jul 24 15:01:57 you said "not nasa"... Jul 24 15:02:27 i'm not convinced that hubble could focus that close anyway Jul 24 15:02:29 ok sure.. so in otherwords.. nobody other than nasa.. has ever bothered to launch a telescope into space? Jul 24 15:02:41 not even the russians? Jul 24 15:02:45 earth orbits are all low enough that it makes little difference in terms of distance. as for the atmosphere, just get on a high mountain and you'll be pretty much OK. Jul 24 15:04:32 little difference or no difference.. say for example the objective was to point a telescope that could focus on the moon with sufficient detail Jul 24 15:05:00 you could just go up to the top of the highest mountain on a clear night and do it? that would be sufficient? :) Jul 24 15:06:17 With a large enough lens/mirror, yeah. "large enough" is probably unrealistically large. Jul 24 15:06:45 and sending a probe just becomes infinitely more complicated Jul 24 15:07:48 I hope there's not a "nasa's moon landing was fake" discussion brewing. Jul 24 15:08:25 no Jul 24 15:08:37 i want to proove that the moon landing actually happened.. to put that to rest finally ;) Jul 24 15:08:52 just trying to figure out the cheapest way to do that Jul 24 15:09:41 lol Jul 24 15:09:42 I follow. Jul 24 15:09:45 Wait... Jul 24 15:09:46 as a reference, compared to earth-photography satellites, the moon is 1000x farther than the earth, so you'd need 1000x the resolving power. Jul 24 15:09:50 do you believe it *did* happen? Jul 24 15:10:10 i think there's a significant difference between the height of the hubble (600km) and the heighest mountain (8km) in terms of optical resolution... Jul 24 15:10:26 actually i believe nothing.. i just have ideas Jul 24 15:10:52 beliefs cant change.. ideas can ;) Jul 24 15:11:01 lol Jul 24 15:11:02 cool. Jul 24 15:11:49 i think the jury is still out really.. believe what you want to believe.. it didn't happen, it did happen.. for the purposes of this discussion though, thats irrelevant.. perhaps some day i can launch a telescope or be part of a project that does Jul 24 15:11:52 gotta go to work... Jul 24 15:18:44 not to troll but i really am hating SAMR Jul 24 15:19:03 What is SAMR? Jul 24 15:19:06 its such a PIA, vlc doesn't support it OTN Jul 24 15:19:28 the crap audio codec used by the video camcorder Jul 24 15:21:38 does anyone know how to cut it ffmpeg so i can upload it to youtube Jul 24 15:22:09 is there a way to backup app data without nabbing system data? so I could, for example, wipe and reflash, but keep app data (backing up apps isn't needed since they're on sd already) Jul 24 15:22:13 or if there is an app for video editing, specifically to split videos Jul 24 15:22:21 for upload to youtube Jul 24 15:22:21 shiznebit: avidemux ? Jul 24 15:22:28 doesn't work Jul 24 15:22:37 doesn't support SAMR\ Jul 24 15:22:43 >< Jul 24 15:23:19 truely a royal PIA Jul 24 15:23:28 even ffmpeg is having problems Jul 24 15:24:28 -ss startpoint -t length, just doesn't work its just regarded as -ss Jul 24 15:27:40 monban, mybackup? Jul 24 15:28:12 Anyone know how to set up compcache? Jul 24 15:28:16 on the jacheroski Jul 24 15:28:20 okay thanks KNY Jul 24 15:28:58 KNY is there a ffmpeg channel ? Jul 24 15:29:11 shiznebit, yes Jul 24 15:29:45 KNY: thanks Jul 24 15:30:04 shiznebit, you couldn't have taken the 1 second to just try /join #ffmpeg? Jul 24 15:30:46 na, that take alot more clicks if I was wrong :P Jul 24 15:31:11 there aren't any clicks. Jul 24 15:33:05 how gay is tmobile, i cant even view my bill online anymore Jul 24 15:33:09 well im on windows Jul 24 15:33:22 shiznebit: try typing '/join #ffmpeg' right here Jul 24 15:33:30 in the area where you are typing to chat with us Jul 24 15:34:11 view my dong online Jul 24 15:34:22 "We're sorry--you don't have permission to view this information. Please contact the Primary Account Holder for your account." wtf Jul 24 15:34:50 twois10: Tell your mom to let you have access to your bill :P Jul 24 15:35:08 iCEBrkr: my mom is dead Jul 24 15:35:55 Oh, good one.. I haven't heard that before. Jul 24 15:36:13 anycase, after i set "Permit all persons to view billing details for their own phone number " this shit defaults back to "Restrict all persons from viewing billing details for their own phone number" Jul 24 15:36:58 T-mob's site UI sucks Jul 24 15:37:10 just me imagination lads?.. or am i noting that due me wifi tether.. somehow.. sites such as yahoo.com etc are loading as m.www.yahoo.com / mobile or wap sites? Jul 24 15:37:17 They came out with some BS 'Mobile Life' thing that you coudln't evne load up on the Sidekick Jul 24 15:37:27 iCEBrkr: lotsa things bout tmo sux sadly lol Jul 24 15:37:28 their answer: get a newer Sidekick. Jul 24 15:37:53 tech9iner: they do browser detection Jul 24 15:37:56 iCEBrkr, sounds reasonable, depending on what they changed Jul 24 15:38:03 tmobile told my they get their web egineer to look into it, dicks Jul 24 15:38:05 one more ie = http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/10-Concerns-We-Have-About-Google-Chrome-OS-783603/?kc=EWKNLEDP07202009A that seems to be challenged to load? Jul 24 15:38:22 iCEBrkr: but im accessing them via ffx mate.. not on g1 Jul 24 15:38:38 can anyone load that articale? Jul 24 15:38:41 why would they make that shit a slideshow? up yours, eweek Jul 24 15:38:43 *article Jul 24 15:38:43 tech9iner, yes Jul 24 15:38:45 Does any1 know how to view locally stored web pages in Android ? Jul 24 15:38:53 ah.. slideshow eh.. Jul 24 15:39:14 Any help will be highly appreciated :) Jul 24 15:40:11 KNY: im seeing one title.. and one paragraph.. thats it.. no slideshow buttons for next etc? Jul 24 15:40:20 sofia2: i dont believe the default browser can do that Jul 24 15:40:29 my concern about google chrome (linux) OS is that it will run windows apps better than linux app on it Jul 24 15:41:00 tech9iner, they're under the slides. It's a crap article anyway, they don't say anything remotely insightful that hasn't been said better in 50 other places Jul 24 15:41:12 twois10, what the hell are you talking about? Jul 24 15:41:19 I don't think it will run windows OR linux apps... it just runs one thing, Chrome Jul 24 15:41:26 that reminds me here.. wtf does androids browser always force reload last view webpages?.. horrid.. specially when one is trying to toggle tween multiple apps say maps etc.. and one is in horrid G/2G only zones.. grrr Jul 24 15:41:29 KNY take your time and think about it Jul 24 15:41:44 the apps run in the browser, gmail, docs, etc. Jul 24 15:41:51 tech9iner: it only does it if it had to discard it to make space. Jul 24 15:41:54 twois10, if you said something sensible then it would be loads easier. Jul 24 15:41:55 ugh Jul 24 15:42:08 jbq: not so here since day one.. Jul 24 15:42:17 KNY again, settle down. and think about it Jul 24 15:42:19 jbq, I've never had it not reload a page Jul 24 15:42:35 jbq: it never just opens last page.. it always reloads everytime since my g1 arrived Jul 24 15:42:35 tech9iner, the stupid thing also parrots the stupid old 'statistic' about linux netbooks coming back more than windows netbooks due to people being uncomfortable withit Jul 24 15:42:53 ditto KNY's experience Jul 24 15:43:03 shiznebit : you are right the android browser can't do that. I hear from blogs that htmlviewer can do that...But nobody know how to launch it. Jul 24 15:43:30 Ok, here is what am saying. Google has a bad habit of producing apps that run better on Windows than it does in Linux. Jul 24 15:43:41 damn.. swoon.. little 'i kissed a grrl' katy perry lookn quite fine'erific on today show live now.. Jul 24 15:43:57 just tested on my device (ADP1 150275), works fine. Open browser, load page, switch to calculator, switch to browser, page is still here (didn't get reloaded). Jul 24 15:43:58 they still dont have chrome browser for linux Jul 24 15:44:04 how shameful Jul 24 15:44:24 * jbq is ashamed Jul 24 15:44:29 twois10, yes they do. And you're faulting them for focusing their efforts on ~95% market instead of 1%? Jul 24 15:44:44 twois10, chromium Jul 24 15:44:57 poningru: please get that out oh here Jul 24 15:44:59 the browser reloads the page based on update Jul 24 15:45:07 twois10, also chrome os is not an 'application' Jul 24 15:45:11 its an operating system Jul 24 15:45:12 to be fair, and don't get me wrong, I love my Linux netbook, when my brother was looking for a netbook, he chose Windows, because he wanted something he could run Office on, Windows is just more "comfortable" for the average user, and they are willing to sacrifice performance, and even some cash for it Jul 24 15:45:21 so if there is no internet it will just generate the page from cache Jul 24 15:45:41 monban, thats not what netbook is supposed to be for ... atleast from the end user perspective Jul 24 15:46:04 its for the grandmother/tween to browse the net check their email, and chat Jul 24 15:46:15 poningru: http://tinyurl.com/3ybguf Jul 24 15:46:35 poningru: I realize in the purest sense, a netbook just runs... well, net applications, browser and email, but asking for an office suite to do word processing isn't too big a step up in my mind Jul 24 15:46:36 more like fail Jul 24 15:46:53 monban, right but thats why there is things like openoffice Jul 24 15:46:59 How does the browser know that there is an update on the web page ? Jul 24 15:47:10 sofia2: what web page? Jul 24 15:47:12 which can be used for things like quickly viewing an office doc etc. Jul 24 15:47:26 sofia2, yeah depends on the web site Jul 24 15:47:29 especially if there is no internet Jul 24 15:47:29 something that can run a modern web browser should be able to to word processing too, Terra knows modern AJAX enabled websites require about ten times the processing power that word processors people once wrote novels on took Jul 24 15:47:50 btw KNY.. this is wtf i see here?.. no slide buttons in my ffx 3.5 ?.. http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6136/10concernswehaveaboutgo.jpg Jul 24 15:48:09 tech9iner, it's flash-based. Jul 24 15:48:18 poningru: Failed BIG time Jul 24 15:48:21 poningru: and I mentioned openoffice to my brother, but their formatting and support of office formats is sketchy, which, unfortounately, is what he is forced to submit his school work in Jul 24 15:48:24 sipa1024: actually shiznebit was saying that android browser actually loads a cached page if there is no update Jul 24 15:48:26 monban: You understand how under-powered Netbooks are, right? Jul 24 15:48:46 iCEBrkr: I own one (asus aspire) so yes Jul 24 15:48:49 KNY: hmm.. so me flash is awry in my opensuse 11.1 / ffx then?.. weird.. Jul 24 15:48:54 monban, right fair enough I am not arguing that your brother was wrong in picking his netbook Jul 24 15:49:01 with windows Jul 24 15:49:07 monban: ok..they're not marketed as a workstation :P Jul 24 15:49:18 I am saying that is not what it is designed for Jul 24 15:49:30 poningru: They're not even marketed as such either Jul 24 15:49:32 but I shoehorn things into other things all the time Jul 24 15:49:36 right Jul 24 15:49:46 poningru: and I, also, am not disputing your point, I'm just making my own point that the average non-technical user, like my brother, is just more comfortable in Windows Jul 24 15:50:05 because that's what he knows. I don't see why anyone is still having this debate Jul 24 15:50:06 it's not a fact I am happy with Jul 24 15:50:13 monban, yes and no Jul 24 15:50:22 I've thought about a netbook, so I can watch TV and IRC/Surf/IM at the sametime without having my clunky laptop Jul 24 15:50:27 what will chrome OS have dont other linux dont have...anyone? Jul 24 15:50:29 your brother is definately more comfy with windows Jul 24 15:50:43 in other news: car owners with automatic transmissions are more comfortable with automatic transmissions than manual ones. More new at 11. Jul 24 15:50:45 twois10: more hardware support Jul 24 15:50:54 shiznebit: wtf? Jul 24 15:50:57 Chrome is going to be much faster Jul 24 15:50:59 but my grandmother or my mother who is not comfortable with windows Jul 24 15:51:00 twois10: a non-x11 framebuffer display system (or so I hear rumour?) Jul 24 15:51:06 or 'computers' Jul 24 15:51:16 twois10: they will have propietary drivers Jul 24 15:51:19 I am guessing it will not take 24 sec to boot like ubuntu Jul 24 15:51:26 it seems people are just talking off their butt Jul 24 15:51:31 will probably appreciate the BIG BUTTONS for INTERNET and TALK TO YOUR KIDS Jul 24 15:51:32 twois10: which aren't included by the linux kernel Jul 24 15:51:38 twois10, yourself included, and welcome to the internet Jul 24 15:51:53 twois10: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html Jul 24 15:51:54 nobody has any clue what this Chrome OS's going to be in the first place, so let's just wait till there is *something* to see :) Jul 24 15:51:55 poningru, please consolidate your messages into sentences. Jul 24 15:51:56 chromeos will be (hopefully) something, that is so simple, that even the worst kind of idiot can't break it. it will maybe something you can install on your mothers computer, and she will never call you because of viruses, full hard drives, whatever. Jul 24 15:52:22 lol@KNY Jul 24 15:52:43 Chrome is all about cloud...everything resides on the internet...ur apps and also ur files Jul 24 15:52:46 it is the dream of every computer engineer, that doesn't likes to be called every day by family and family friends because of windows-failures. Jul 24 15:52:47 is like the guy who told me google chrome OS is not an app Jul 24 15:53:06 no shit sherlock Jul 24 15:53:11 Gelb: that will work until say, my mom gets an email with a .ppt of funny cat pictures, can't open it, and asks for windows back :/ Jul 24 15:53:25 monban, anyway the point I am trying to make is that IMHO netbooks are meant for not at all technically savvy people who dont have any or close to zero computer experience Jul 24 15:53:41 monban: hey! i was dreaming, and you waked me up! Jul 24 15:53:45 * KNY sighs Jul 24 15:53:49 poningru: I'll buy that, makes sense Jul 24 15:54:00 here's the definitive answer: netbooks are intended for whoever will buy them. Done. Jul 24 15:54:44 monban: i'm pretty sure if google makes their OS right, .ppt would directly upload the file to google docs and open it. Jul 24 15:55:09 Oh, I just realized something. Jul 24 15:55:20 Chrome OS + Wave + Chrome browser. Jul 24 15:55:33 Gelb: :D the serious side of that, from my perspective, is that while it's theoretically possible to design a system that is simple enough not to be tampered with, people will want features. features mean complexity, complexity means instability and security risks Jul 24 15:55:53 sofia2: huh?! Jul 24 15:56:22 sofia2: There's no mention of 'cloud' anything. Jul 24 15:56:23 FUD Jul 24 15:58:26 lol @ KNY.. 'Done' .. Jul 24 15:59:46 I am predicting Chrome will either be scrapped or google will change its features or current model of what its supposed to do Jul 24 16:00:14 twois10: Why would it be scrapped? Jul 24 16:00:50 the idea as it is now is a major general fail Jul 24 16:02:43 Why do you think it's a fail instead of a win? Jul 24 16:03:20 time will tell, one of my favorite songs by Bob marley Jul 24 16:03:43 google will succeed for 1 reason, They are innovative !!! Jul 24 16:04:07 forever? Jul 24 16:04:21 ofcourse Jul 24 16:04:35 the current concept of what the OS is supposed to be will not succeed. Jul 24 16:05:46 You just said Chrome a moment ago...and now you're talking about "the OS" not succeeding. Jul 24 16:06:11 What is innovate about Google? Jul 24 16:06:21 I am not sure they have hit many homeruns in recent memory. Jul 24 16:06:26 innovative* Jul 24 16:06:36 buleeahn: did you forget your vitamins... Jul 24 16:07:12 The last I heard Chrome was a browser, not an OS. Jul 24 16:07:21 Google is also coming out iwth new projects Jul 24 16:07:25 buleeahn: its "Chrome browser" and "Chrome OS" :) Jul 24 16:07:27 or glasses Jul 24 16:08:02 Thanks sipa1024, that was much more pleasant than having my nutrition and eyesight attacked. Jul 24 16:08:07 * buleeahn kicks twois10 Jul 24 16:08:30 stop being violent, Jul 24 16:08:40 i think the term 'chrome' will evolve to mean the whole google-desktop-thing :) Jul 24 16:09:15 I think Ubuntu will take over the world and will buy Google. Jul 24 16:09:27 first thing that come to my mind when i hear chrome is a gun Jul 24 16:10:13 lol Jul 24 16:10:20 And you're accusing *me* of being violent? :-) Jul 24 16:10:44 twois10: first thing that comes to my mind when i hear Microsoft is someguy jumping of a tall building Jul 24 16:10:45 ubuntu is nice...lots windows using looking for alternative usually goes ubuntu route Jul 24 16:11:22 crap, i need vitamins, my typing is not making sense Jul 24 16:11:30 Google Voice, Google Wave, Chrome Browser, Chrome OS Jul 24 16:11:44 GMAIL! Jul 24 16:11:59 supposed to have read lots of windows users* Jul 24 16:12:19 I have a Google Wart. Jul 24 16:12:49 I believe google uses ubuntu or debian right... Jul 24 16:13:15 uses where? Jul 24 16:13:36 On most of there workstations. Jul 24 16:13:39 their Jul 24 16:13:55 But they don't use Ubuntu, they use their own variant of it. Jul 24 16:13:55 darweth, the engineers can choose from a multitude of operating systems Jul 24 16:14:18 including windows/osx/multiple distros of linux etc. Jul 24 16:14:33 ofcourse they are customized to google's specifications Jul 24 16:14:39 Sure, but we all know Linux makes the most sense and we all worship it and death to everything else. Jul 24 16:14:42 Except OSX for pretty girls. Jul 24 16:15:32 darweth: on their workstations or their servers? Jul 24 16:15:47 I was talking workstations. Jul 24 16:15:50 ok Jul 24 16:17:26 Hey, I want to root my new HTC Magic like described at http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Magic_Rooting but got a question: Will the phone be reset to its factory status? If so, how could I back up things? I know I can back up apps using the ASTRO File Manager, anything else? Jul 24 16:20:08 when you root it, you can run a backup Jul 24 16:20:42 hope this kernel boots Jul 24 16:22:23 iphone is so pretty and smooth, how does it do it? Jul 24 16:22:34 is the hardware that good? Jul 24 16:22:55 i assumed google runs debian because chromium was only compiled for debian based linux Jul 24 16:23:04 blau-mikeDG: native code? Jul 24 16:24:00 * twois10 bans blau-mikeDG for life Jul 24 16:24:07 of course iphone is smooth Jul 24 16:24:16 it has like 4x the ram of the g1 Jul 24 16:24:17 lol Jul 24 16:24:25 also it does not multi task Jul 24 16:24:27 and no background processes Jul 24 16:24:28 * twois10 is contemplating banning darweth Jul 24 16:24:57 listen twobytes Jul 24 16:24:58 IanPM: what do you mean exactly? Jul 24 16:25:00 twois10: Jul 24 16:25:07 there is no doubt the iphone looks better and is better hw wise Jul 24 16:25:14 we all use android because we believe in the OS and the promise it offers Jul 24 16:25:20 the G1 sucks ass for hw tho Jul 24 16:25:21 period Jul 24 16:25:43 bologna Jul 24 16:25:46 bologna Jul 24 16:25:47 bologna Jul 24 16:25:54 o_O" Jul 24 16:26:24 compare G1 hardware to as much as i hate saying it iPhone Jul 24 16:27:21 give us the hw to hw comparison Jul 24 16:28:09 it is pointless because it isn't even a competition. hardware wise they are not even close. Jul 24 16:28:17 if you can't see that, i don't know what to tell you. Jul 24 16:28:28 am looking at it right now Jul 24 16:28:29 darweth: can i ask your drug dealer Jul 24 16:28:37 for the stuff your getting Jul 24 16:28:44 i don't do drugs. :) Jul 24 16:28:50 give us the side by side comparison darweth Jul 24 16:29:12 the memory is the smae Jul 24 16:29:25 the proc speed is the same as well Jul 24 16:29:34 yeah, the memory *is* the smae Jul 24 16:29:46 whatever that is Jul 24 16:29:51 ;) Jul 24 16:30:20 iphone tethering sucks nuts compared to g1 Jul 24 16:30:24 score 1 android Jul 24 16:30:52 RAM: G1,192 MB; iPhone 128/256MB Jul 24 16:30:56 * blau-mikeDG has the 2 best smartphones on his desk right now Jul 24 16:31:00 and an iphone Jul 24 16:31:37 i kid :) Jul 24 16:31:52 Processor: G1. 528 MHz: iPhone 412 MHz Jul 24 16:32:27 ok the 3gs has 600MHz cpu Jul 24 16:32:44 how many companies / government entities are capable of launching satellites into space? Jul 24 16:32:56 i have just counted out armadillo and virgin galactic, because they are sub-orbital Jul 24 16:32:59 im taling about the 1st gen iphone when i say its smooth Jul 24 16:33:04 i havent touched a 3gs Jul 24 16:33:06 the biggest set back is that Android run on a virutal machine Jul 24 16:33:16 but i hear its snappier Jul 24 16:33:24 the 1st and 2nd has weaker hardware compared to G1 Jul 24 16:33:36 darweth: this is fact Jul 24 16:33:50 since when does mhz = performance? they are clocked differently and are different engineering Jul 24 16:35:32 since when is an ARM core different from an ARM core ? Jul 24 16:35:56 since pi = 3.14 Jul 24 16:36:05 XD Jul 24 16:36:46 the samsung in the iphone is superior to the qualcomm in the G1. Jul 24 16:37:09 Hi, I like the Hero device (a friend of mine reviewed one - v.nice) and I want one... but personally the idea of Android on it - it upsets me Jul 24 16:37:19 ok what parts of the chipset is superior Jul 24 16:37:30 From what I've seen of the G1 (whatever the code name of the one before Hero was) it's like totally locked down Jul 24 16:37:44 Lantizia: dont get one then Jul 24 16:37:47 is there anyway to get the android phones like... on par with say maemo? in terms of stuff I can tweak Jul 24 16:37:47 go get an iphone Jul 24 16:37:58 and a terminal damn it! Jul 24 16:38:14 Caleb, from what I can tell the android is nothing more than an iphone with how locked down it is Jul 24 16:38:14 Lantizia: locked down in what respect? you can get a terminal on the g1 (I can't speak for the hero) Jul 24 16:38:21 Lantizia: its called root Jul 24 16:38:23 yeah but theres like nothing there Jul 24 16:38:36 ? Jul 24 16:38:38 does android even have package management? Jul 24 16:38:43 hahaha Jul 24 16:38:45 Lantizia: LOL Jul 24 16:39:11 actually, to an extent, it kinda does Jul 24 16:39:19 wow Jul 24 16:39:24 don't feed the trolls Jul 24 16:39:28 lol Jul 24 16:39:35 basically I'm a big debian fan... so ipkg/dpkg - woo it's good.... woo maemo uses it too. Jul 24 16:39:49 you can install debian on a g1 Jul 24 16:39:50 Lantizia: go somewhere else to troll Jul 24 16:39:53 android, built from scratch, what works is "approved" what doesn't is a "bad hack" Jul 24 16:39:53 again, I can't speak for hero Jul 24 16:39:55 hey cyanogen :-) Jul 24 16:40:05 Caleb, no... Jul 24 16:40:10 i could be totally wrong Jul 24 16:40:38 thats why I'm here dispell the myths :P if you can Jul 24 16:40:54 we've pretty much ripped android to smithereens and customized it to no end Jul 24 16:41:20 it's a very secure os, but most current devices are rootable allowing custom firmware Jul 24 16:41:38 except mytouch Jul 24 16:41:44 only a matter of time Jul 24 16:41:47 right so if your a guy like me... andriod isn't a good OS because it's very "like iphone? come here please" Jul 24 16:41:50 always is Jul 24 16:41:57 but custom OS ... yay for that Jul 24 16:42:02 Lantizia: I agree that the standard build is a bit lacking, but due to the open nature of the android platform (if not the phones it is currently installed on, or the carriers that currently offer said phones) it is possible to add an entire debian distro to it Jul 24 16:42:31 monban, cool - loving that idea... but it's wether someone has a good 100% working build of it tho Jul 24 16:42:48 nothing work 100% Jul 24 16:42:54 works* Jul 24 16:43:14 Lantizia: my OPINION, and you may disagree, is that Android strikes a nice balance between a techy system and a mainstream / iPhone like build Jul 24 16:43:19 it's linux with a nice embedded environment, and the os is open source, what more do you want? Jul 24 16:43:34 apps Jul 24 16:43:39 lol Jul 24 16:43:40 monban, oh sure it's no where near as bad and locked down as iphone Jul 24 16:43:51 but it's still bad for a techy Jul 24 16:44:05 i think you need to state more clearly what your issue is Jul 24 16:44:08 ok... not a techy - a coding whore Jul 24 16:44:35 its pretty damn open. ever download the source? Jul 24 16:44:47 twilightwolf90, the build isn't open tho Jul 24 16:44:57 huh Jul 24 16:45:01 android.git.kernel.org Jul 24 16:45:05 which build? hero? Jul 24 16:45:24 yup you've lost the plot - nevermind Jul 24 16:45:28 hero isn't open, htc doesn't open source stuff Jul 24 16:45:28 I agree that there are phones that are more technical user oriented, like openmoko or maemo, but they lack the mainstream gui and usability sensibilities Jul 24 16:45:47 HTClog, ftw Jul 24 16:46:00 see the Nokia N900 is due soon... and I may jump on it and hump it Jul 24 16:46:07 o.o Jul 24 16:46:19 or I can go HTC Hero Jul 24 16:46:27 and OpenMoko are now outa the picture Jul 24 16:46:32 ew Jul 24 16:46:35 openmoko ftl Jul 24 16:46:50 well the GTA03 and GTA04 are dead duckies Jul 24 16:47:20 so Nokia... great make - lasting - hopefully good support.....HTC... great make - lasting - but having to go via mobile provider :S Jul 24 16:47:58 Lantizia: you can customize alot for the android Jul 24 16:48:16 for those who still care: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture Jul 24 16:48:16 Lantizia: something impossible to do on the iphone Jul 24 16:48:51 shiznebit, sure but it's hassle... I like the idea that my phone comes with a nice OS I can great my usual favourite desktop apps from a repo on Jul 24 16:49:00 dude Jul 24 16:49:01 then hop to the terminal and write some crazy bash script Jul 24 16:49:08 if you dont like it then dont get one Jul 24 16:49:20 dont come in here trolling about why you dont like android Jul 24 16:49:23 we like it Jul 24 16:49:25 ok ok yes fine, I'm just mulling it over in my head Jul 24 16:49:26 Lantizia: you can create a repo for android Jul 24 16:49:29 check shit out for yourself Jul 24 16:49:30 if you'd like Jul 24 16:49:32 Caleb, I'm not piss taking Jul 24 16:49:36 just thinking aloud Jul 24 16:49:54 can we oc the cpu? Jul 24 16:50:00 i mean over 528MHz Jul 24 16:50:01 Android is good for what is it... an iPhone killer (IMPO) Jul 24 16:50:33 you can get a shell on android Jul 24 16:50:54 run sshd even if you want Jul 24 16:51:11 http://www.newlc.com/en/n900-upcoming-nokia-tablet-runs-maemo5-omap3-watch Jul 24 16:51:14 :0 cyanogen Jul 24 16:51:22 never thought i'd see you here lol Jul 24 16:51:35 hi :) Jul 24 16:53:17 cyanogen: am using your test build 3.9. with htc_hero theme. if i use earlier framework.jar, it does not work. only thing that works is libandroid_runtime.so from your 3.6.5 build. Jul 24 16:53:52 AakashPatel, there is an oc app on xda, but you need to run a rooted g1 phone, possibly need to run JF or Haykuro's build. Jul 24 16:54:27 does that work over 528 though? Jul 24 16:55:00 well yeah Jul 24 16:55:17 it should Jul 24 16:55:20 if you OC it past 528 Mhz, will that not just kill your battery to the core Jul 24 16:55:22 running hero on 3.9 is not supported and you lose all rights to bug reports :) Jul 24 16:55:39 yes it will twois10 Jul 24 16:55:54 there are changes to support cgroups that require a matching framework.jar and libandroid_runtime.so Jul 24 16:56:00 Cyanogen!!! Jul 24 16:56:10 otherwise you get errors about not being able to register native methods Jul 24 16:56:20 cyanogen: well, i actually have no issue, it runs smooth, smoother than any previous builds Jul 24 16:56:52 i didnt change the framework.jar, just libandroid_runtime.so Jul 24 16:56:56 i asked the hero guys to give me access to their source and i'd maintain a port of the theme for the latest CM rom Jul 24 16:57:04 yeah, cause the hero theme replaces framework.jar Jul 24 16:57:25 ah i see Jul 24 16:57:26 they haven't given me anything yet Jul 24 16:58:05 it makes sense now because after installing the theme, i lost access to extend option Jul 24 16:58:25 yep all the apps get replaced when you install a theme Jul 24 16:58:34 thats why the versions should match Jul 24 16:59:46 The Pre theme, and the Dark htc_hero, both worked without replacing any files with 3.9 Jul 24 17:00:11 so any really bad things happening with 3.9 Jul 24 17:00:40 shiznebit: i ran it for a few hours , tested some apps, and settings without issues Jul 24 17:00:42 actually no.. the new launcher still needs polish but everything works Jul 24 17:01:15 am still running it but just with a theme that replace some files Jul 24 17:01:16 well if its only the launcher, then im sold Jul 24 17:01:57 it runs a lot smoother than 3.6.8.. compressing everything with 7z was a bad idea Jul 24 17:03:25 you don't enable compcache or swap by default which is fine, what is you opinion on either one. which is better Jul 24 17:03:39 anychance we can get the data and dalvik-cache moved safely to SD ? Jul 24 17:04:27 dalvik-cache goes on sd with my build Jul 24 17:04:34 data/data does not Jul 24 17:04:45 too many problems Jul 24 17:05:07 compcache vs. swap.. both seem to kind of suck Jul 24 17:05:47 don't think the io rates are fast enough on the hardware for that kind of stuff.. after about 24 hours it starts to bog down Jul 24 17:05:58 i think personally that compcache suck harder Jul 24 17:06:29 noob question but how do i get a bash shell on android Jul 24 17:06:41 if you have busybox you can use ash Jul 24 17:06:48 is it in the market? Jul 24 17:07:04 no, if you have a rooted rom then you probably have it Jul 24 17:07:23 i don't, i JUST got the phone, can you point me towards a good resource? Jul 24 17:07:34 as for the I/O issue, someone suggest adding "echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/page-cluster;" to the init script. I did my homework and found it to be a good suggestion Jul 24 17:07:45 there isn't bash, but there is ash. it just has less commands. if you don't want to root, just use adb shell from you computer. Jul 24 17:07:46 Eight inches ... Nine, and still growing. His erection was now Jul 24 17:07:48 half as thick as his own wrist as -with a grunt of sexual ecstasy- he Jul 24 17:07:51 began to spurt enormous quantities of cum into Christa's throat. Jul 24 17:07:53 Greedily, she slurped and sucked on him as the tingle began to fade. Drop Jul 24 17:07:56 by drop, she tried to stem the stream, but enormous quantities spilled out Jul 24 17:07:58 from around her mouth. Nearly a minute passed, as Curt reached and Jul 24 17:08:01 exceeded ten inches. Still sucking down as much of his cum as she could, Jul 24 17:08:03 Christa squeezed his balls tightly, as if wringing every drop out of him. Jul 24 17:08:06 Spurting over her lips, face and hair, Curt's orgasm gradually subsided, Jul 24 17:08:09 ... Jul 24 17:08:34 twois10 interesting Jul 24 17:08:37 what about.odex optimizaations ? Jul 24 17:09:20 .odex files are the same thing as what ends up in dalvik-cache Jul 24 17:10:12 i got the information in perfomance and tuning of virtual mem Jul 24 17:11:40 When a page fault is taken in Linux, multiple pages are actually read in to avoid multiple short trips to disk; the precise number of pages that are brought into memory is given by 2n, where n is the value of the page-cluster tunable (the only value in the /proc/sys/vm/page-cluster tunable file). Jul 24 17:12:34 yes, so by setting it to 0 2^0 = 1 and so forth Jul 24 17:12:55 wow Jul 24 17:13:04 which makes sense, because you don't want a lot of swap readahead on a device like this Jul 24 17:13:18 will try it out :) Jul 24 17:13:20 i feel like i walked into a differential equations class with only knowledge of pre-algebra Jul 24 17:13:27 and with no pants on Jul 24 17:15:01 lol Jul 24 17:15:07 apparantly the default is 3 which means 8 pages a times. and as you stated is not good for slow device such an sd-card Jul 24 17:16:45 well, cant wait till you next release 4.0, thanks for all the good work, sincerely appreciated Jul 24 17:17:21 Yes, very much appreciated! Jul 24 17:17:26 android is fun to work on :) Jul 24 17:18:20 ^^^3rd on the thanks train Jul 24 17:18:43 just installed a new kernel yast says i must reboot. Hope i dont crash... Jul 24 17:37:47 Hey guys, I'm having a small problem with my g1, using CyanogenMod 3.9 with Compcache and oero, I only have a few mb ram free at all time, stats; Total 97876, used 94932, free 2944. and this is a prob bcos I have a client for spotify (will be released in some time) and it closes then its not in focus and the ram is 'empty' Jul 24 17:38:08 and queue the " lol Jul 24 17:40:27 Damme: te ram is used for buffers and cache, and other stuff Jul 24 17:40:50 if its working fine, don't worry about it Jul 24 17:40:52 kk, I bet spotify should remove that autoclose on low ram thingy then Jul 24 17:41:34 hey sup yall Jul 24 17:43:20 is there a way to get tiwlan0 into monitor mode? Jul 24 17:45:17 sup Jul 24 17:45:38 sup with you man? Jul 24 18:03:49 hi, I've been looking on google but not luck yet. I am willing to send and receive sms in my PC while at home. Anyone know an app capable of doing this? Jul 24 18:04:40 ok guys.. might be asking for a little too much.. but is there an ipsec vpn client for android? :P Jul 24 18:05:08 goooood evening Jul 24 18:05:44 Macarse: hey, try pc suite by pandaapps Jul 24 18:05:55 i think i saw that its supportts that Jul 24 18:06:14 James_B: thanks I will check it out Jul 24 18:11:02 James_B: can't find it, is it in the market? Jul 24 18:11:33 how can use the german dictionary with english locale or how can set English as language but Germany as a country? Jul 24 18:12:16 is there a way to make gtalk not disconnect when the phone is idle? Jul 24 18:12:22 isn't there a popup on the IME that lets you choose the input language? Jul 24 18:12:52 ctate: not that I can see Jul 24 18:13:03 yeah, it's not easily discoverable Jul 24 18:13:10 what happens if you longpress on the mode-change button? Jul 24 18:13:56 hm, that lets you change which input method, and lets you get to the IME settings panel Jul 24 18:14:02 neither of which let you pick the language. hrm. Jul 24 18:14:07 Android keyboard setting/Input Method Jul 24 18:14:15 James_B: found http://download.pandaapp.com/?app=soft&controller=android&action=show&f_id=564 Jul 24 18:14:26 and there just Android Keyboard Jul 24 18:18:13 hrm.. anybody know where I can point out failing resources to Google? bad routes, etc Jul 24 18:18:24 (network resources, obviously) Jul 24 18:18:26 * blau-mikeDG is starting to like the iphone lol :( Jul 24 18:18:37 blau-mikeDG: SNAP OUT OF IT :) Jul 24 18:18:41 why would you tell Google? tell the ISP. Jul 24 18:18:48 blau-mikeDG, i regret selling my iphone every minute I stare at this sad peice of android shit Jul 24 18:18:50 burn him! Jul 24 18:18:57 the copy and paste is so nice Jul 24 18:18:58 typically that's either your cell carrier or your wifi ISP Jul 24 18:19:00 using this phone is worse then grinding my hand up inside an android girl's vagina Jul 24 18:19:07 lol Jul 24 18:19:11 ... Jul 24 18:19:17 ctate: it's failing on a google-owned allocation apparently Jul 24 18:19:21 thats horrible Jul 24 18:19:45 Qwell, if it's on their end, they already know. ;) Jul 24 18:19:52 Yuki: one would hope :D Jul 24 18:20:10 Yuki: be careful, when google creates it's android army, you may be the first to feel it's 'wrath' Jul 24 18:20:11 "An instrumentation test runner is not specified" , what do i need to do to fix this ? Jul 24 18:20:16 hmm, I would like two feature to Google Talk in Android: hiding offline contacts and meta contacts Jul 24 18:20:23 Yuki: it is the hardware or the software you don't like? Jul 24 18:20:29 Yuki: is it Jul 24 18:20:31 Gelb, the software majorly Jul 24 18:20:35 Yuki: then don't use it Jul 24 18:20:36 the hardware would be okay Jul 24 18:20:43 wmealing: hrm, you might want to go search the android-developer mailing list archives for discussion of how to use the test frameworks and instrumentation Jul 24 18:20:45 romainguy_, i'm working on fixing what i don't like. Jul 24 18:20:59 i love tge look and feel of the g1, it just seems to underpowered Jul 24 18:21:01 Yuki: interesting. I don't like the hardware, compared to the iphone, but like the software. software has its bugs, it is kind of not finished, but I like it. Jul 24 18:21:04 ctate, yeah.. i've looked, tells me to modify my manifest.. tried that no love. Jul 24 18:21:04 I can't wait to see your patches then Yuki Jul 24 18:21:07 iphone is soo smooth Jul 24 18:21:11 do you have specific complaints about the Android software? Jul 24 18:21:17 romain: why doesnt android scroll as smooth as iphone? Jul 24 18:21:20 romainguy_, my patches include getting rid of Dalvik and getting a tiny X server running Jul 24 18:21:21 blau-mikeDG: amazing what much better hardware can do for you, eh? ;) Jul 24 18:21:23 Yuki: which android phone you have? Jul 24 18:21:26 G1 Jul 24 18:21:30 Dream Jul 24 18:21:42 Yuki: okay Jul 24 18:22:16 to be quite honest, if the NDK were more expansive, and everyone used it extensively, and the application quality were better.... Jul 24 18:22:17 (it's amusing that you're on #android when your goal is to remove Android from the phone :) ) Jul 24 18:22:28 i *almost* have no issue with the system itself Jul 24 18:22:31 except that it's all run in VM Jul 24 18:22:31 Yuki: i like android because it is promising. but it is simply not finished. it shouldn't have version 1.5, it is more like 0.7. Jul 24 18:22:43 Gelb: patches are welcome :) Jul 24 18:22:46 version numbers dont matter anyway. Jul 24 18:22:53 Gelb: try running Windows 1.0 sometime :) Jul 24 18:23:01 ctate: thats even worse. Jul 24 18:23:12 wmealing: Google has amusing version numbers. Do you use Google Voice? Jul 24 18:23:13 the iPhone couldn't send MMS until 3.0 Jul 24 18:23:18 I used to have an iPaq 3850 running Familiar linux Jul 24 18:23:24 tbo, I never used MMS so that didn't bother me Jul 24 18:23:30 tbo: yes, but nobody likes mms. Jul 24 18:23:31 tbo: the phone still can't send MMS #1 Jul 24 18:23:40 tbo: #2 it is an at&t issue, not iphone Jul 24 18:23:42 Qwell, not american. Jul 24 18:23:57 that iPaq, from ~2000-2001 with a third party developer's linux distro Jul 24 18:24:03 felt so much more polished and usable then Android does Jul 24 18:24:04 :/ Jul 24 18:24:16 Gelb: Who cares, texting is also not very popular in some countries Jul 24 18:24:18 with 64MB of ram and 64MB rom Jul 24 18:24:20 Yuki: then don't use Android Jul 24 18:24:31 if it doesn't work for you... Jul 24 18:24:46 I'm stuck Jul 24 18:24:46 So i'm going to modify the hell out of it Jul 24 18:24:46 * wmealing ponders trolling for help, works for yuki. Jul 24 18:24:46 the iphone has its issues. but the issues of the iphone are not because the system is not finished, but it has its issues because steve jobs decided "nobody needs mms, so we dont implement that". Jul 24 18:24:49 is ipsec vpn possible on android? Jul 24 18:25:03 there is lot too improve with Android, I think the power management could be better Jul 24 18:25:03 jduggan, yes. Jul 24 18:25:06 wmealing, no one here will give me the help I want, except a few people who've worked on the systems i'm porting peices from. :) Jul 24 18:25:12 wmealing: without rooting the handset? Jul 24 18:25:15 Gelb: It is an at&t issue, not an iphone issue. Jul 24 18:25:15 jduggan, no Jul 24 18:25:22 i think android is very polished Jul 24 18:25:25 Yuki, yet.. you are here ? Jul 24 18:25:29 the api rules Jul 24 18:25:29 and I really hope the upcoming update by Samsung will not require there stupid PC Studio Jul 24 18:25:34 and documentation is top nothc Jul 24 18:25:38 and support rules Jul 24 18:25:42 wmealing, because those few people are here, and I am diving deep into the SDK/NDK/source Jul 24 18:25:51 darweth: mms werent possible on the iphone till firmware 3.0, on no carrier. Jul 24 18:26:02 right. Jul 24 18:26:06 I don't understand why MMS is so popular Jul 24 18:26:06 darweth: do you have a source for saying that AT&T told Apple not to support MMS on the iPhone? Jul 24 18:26:11 it's dinky and useless Jul 24 18:26:16 and it still isn't possible on at&t even with firmware 3.0 Jul 24 18:26:20 MMS *is* email Jul 24 18:26:23 err, it's how you send pictures from your phone to someone else Jul 24 18:26:31 i thought the iphone got rid of those stupid modal sms alerts? Jul 24 18:26:35 Yuki: expensive email Jul 24 18:26:37 ctate, mms is a wrapper around email, quite literally Jul 24 18:26:39 and most phone users don't have email Jul 24 18:26:43 that force you to decide, close or reply to every message? Jul 24 18:26:48 if your phone has mms, then it has email Jul 24 18:26:53 mms is very popular in the UK Jul 24 18:27:02 Yuki: no, it uses a different protocol for transfer. only the content of an mms looks like an email. mms uses sms for signaling. Jul 24 18:27:05 Yuki: errrrrrr, no. Jul 24 18:27:11 Hn? Jul 24 18:27:15 german carriers earn billions with SMS Jul 24 18:27:17 ctate: well, the USA is the iPhones main market and Europe and Asia get scraps. Jul 24 18:27:27 They target their platform for us in America. Jul 24 18:27:33 like i said: most people who own cellphones do not have email access. Jul 24 18:27:35 but with 19 euro cents for 140 bytes it is a good business Jul 24 18:27:45 So MMS traffic is data with SMS to notify the phone to grab the data? Jul 24 18:27:50 darweth: right, but you're saying that AT&T was the reason for no-MMS-on-iPhone Jul 24 18:27:58 all of AT&T's other phones do MMS Jul 24 18:28:06 tbo: no, it is not a good business. this only works if you have enough stupid customers that really pay such prices. Jul 24 18:28:08 they are not opposed to it; quite the opposite Jul 24 18:28:18 Yuki: yes. Jul 24 18:28:18 ctate: no he's saying that iPhone 3.0 has MMS but AT&T does not offer the option to its customers Jul 24 18:28:25 for now Jul 24 18:28:26 aHA Jul 24 18:28:31 ctate, then why, do they actively scan their network for iphone IMEI's and disable MMS when they detect them? Jul 24 18:28:32 i expect that to change, yeah Jul 24 18:28:44 Yuki: one wonders just how stable the iPhone's mms stack is at this point Jul 24 18:28:47 since it's new and all Jul 24 18:28:51 Yuki: mms then uses a xml based api to fetch the data using gprs/umts. Jul 24 18:28:55 so if you had an iphone with SwirlyMMS (a 3rd party jailbreak app that can do SMS) it would turn the option off anyway? Jul 24 18:29:05 thats so they can sell the iPhone 3GaS Jul 24 18:29:06 (speaking just for myself, i figured the reason that the iPhone didn't do MMS was because Apple didn't want to have to write the code) Jul 24 18:29:11 special for at&t with mms Jul 24 18:29:13 Gelb: well, my carrier offers a tariff, if you are above 60 euros with domestic calls and SMS ther rest are free Jul 24 18:29:19 AT&T actively makes sure that if you have an iphone you cannot do MMS on your line Jul 24 18:29:27 tbo: i know, o2-de. Jul 24 18:29:42 that might be in order to clamp down on jailbreakers Jul 24 18:29:50 Gelb: but I have still Genion S, since I need the land line number Jul 24 18:30:04 True, but even with the new software support they still do it Jul 24 18:30:29 Ergh. Android makes my head hurt. it's like, everything I understand about linux, only backwards and upside down. :) Jul 24 18:31:38 Yuki: if you expected linux when you bought your android phone, it is not surprising that you don't like it now. Jul 24 18:31:53 ctate: which resource does the talk client on Android use? Jul 24 18:32:02 Gelb, I didn't do enough research when I first got the phone Jul 24 18:32:07 OMG android tests suck. Tried advice from http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1009970/android-eclipse-plugin-instrumentation-test-runner-not-specified , still getting "Application does not specify a android.test.InstrumentationTestRunner instrumentation or does not declare uses-library android.test.runner" Jul 24 18:32:10 though, I will say it is loads better then my windows mobile devices. :) Jul 24 18:32:41 Yuki: thats not difficult, even for a much worse phone. Jul 24 18:32:57 No, I don't think so... I liked WM Jul 24 18:33:09 At least, a clean WM image like the iPaqs and other PDAs of that era shipped with Jul 24 18:33:14 * wmealing sighs Jul 24 18:33:20 first thing I did was find the most stripped down rom I could for my Herald Jul 24 18:33:26 after that, it was like a trip down memory lane Jul 24 18:34:34 I like the way the android operating system is designed. and i think it is only a matter of time till there are much better phones, and the os is more mature. Jul 24 18:34:45 In terms of hardware, the phone is awesome Jul 24 18:34:49 the structure of the os is very promesing. Jul 24 18:34:59 Cupcake was a great improvement Jul 24 18:35:09 Yuki: Heh, that is where we disagree. :) Jul 24 18:35:13 its like he's fishing.. Jul 24 18:35:13 i like the phone... i just think all the apps out there are flakey Jul 24 18:35:17 and you guys keep biting. Jul 24 18:35:17 I think the Android OS is much more promising than the crappy hardware of the G1. Jul 24 18:35:21 Yuki: battery is too small, and I heard that it is also the fault of the hardware that everything is so slow. Jul 24 18:35:30 i love my g1 Jul 24 18:35:38 Gelb, the cpu is underclocked, but at regular speed it's 528mhz or so Jul 24 18:35:42 jduggan: it cat be a pain to develop for android, the documentation is bad. Jul 24 18:35:47 okay i've had several beers.. but i will die before i give up my g1 Jul 24 18:35:53 Yuki: Just use the browser on the G1 and see how terrible the performance is. Jul 24 18:35:59 i have an iphone a g1 and a pre on my desk Jul 24 18:36:01 Yuki: i heard that the connection between memory and cpu is badly designed and slow. Jul 24 18:36:08 darweth, that's a ram & cpu issue Jul 24 18:36:16 Gelb: as an end user, i dont care for the reasons.. i just know the equivalent apps dont work as well as my last phone Jul 24 18:36:17 Yuki: Yeah. And something that needs to be improved. Jul 24 18:36:21 let the CPU run at rated speed and enable swap or compcachge Jul 24 18:36:22 I think Google should update their jabber server Jul 24 18:36:23 blau-mikeDG: which one is best?! :P Jul 24 18:36:24 blau-mikeDG: ok now imagine you can only keep one of those phones.. which one is it? Jul 24 18:36:28 compcache is the best thing for right now Jul 24 18:36:35 pre Jul 24 18:36:40 you traitor Jul 24 18:36:44 jduggan: yes, but there are many reasons why we can hope it will get better in the future: better hardware, more mature OS, better documentation for developers, ... Jul 24 18:36:48 if t-mo or google shipped that in a G1 image, i'm pretty sure everyone would be like "omg this phone is sooo much faster" Jul 24 18:36:49 heh Jul 24 18:37:01 pre lets me work the way i want to work Jul 24 18:37:05 the pre is seriously better than a g1? are you on drugs? or is that actually true? Jul 24 18:37:11 Heh Jul 24 18:37:15 I've not played with one yet Jul 24 18:37:16 he is on drugs Jul 24 18:37:16 if they cut the length of time yuo had to hold the home button down to pop up the recent apps Jul 24 18:37:25 but i'm sure it's the same way i feel about the iPhone Jul 24 18:37:25 that would change it a lot for me Jul 24 18:37:25 but its open source :P Jul 24 18:37:25 lol Jul 24 18:37:26 whats with all the haters in here today? Jul 24 18:37:32 i have a theory Jul 24 18:37:32 the iPhone, I just used. Jul 24 18:37:36 that its the same person Jul 24 18:37:37 G1, I have to tweak. :) Jul 24 18:37:37 i had a look at the palm pre os in an emulator, and it was very impressing. Jul 24 18:37:41 just fucking with you all :) Jul 24 18:37:48 cyanogen, that would be highly amusing. ;) Jul 24 18:37:53 as great as i made dg quickcut, its just not that easy yto multitask on android Jul 24 18:38:02 i dont hate the g1.. i used to.. but ever since adp 1.5 Jul 24 18:38:06 seriously.. im happy Jul 24 18:38:11 I have specific gripes that bother the hell out of me, but not generic hatred. Jul 24 18:38:22 i still like android better than the iphone Jul 24 18:38:22 it can obviously get better.. but the evolution of android up until this point.. has satisfied me Jul 24 18:38:25 speaking of which, is there any way to kill the home application / GUI and drop to a framebuffer console? Jul 24 18:38:47 you can do it in recovery Jul 24 18:38:47 * wmealing yawns Jul 24 18:39:09 cyanogen, but there's no way to kill home and drop to console on the booted system? :( Jul 24 18:39:14 i have taken my g1 to about 6 different countries with me all around the world.. i have dropped it off motorcycles, onto pavement.. numerous times.. and it still works Jul 24 18:39:25 g1 is a beast Jul 24 18:39:31 terminal emulator app Jul 24 18:39:33 i love how it feels in my hand Jul 24 18:39:35 it very rarely fails me Jul 24 18:39:37 and i lvoe the keyboard Jul 24 18:39:39 i really like the g1, but there are so many issues with the hardware and the software, that it is completely clear that I will really love future android phones, when hardware and software gets better. Jul 24 18:39:40 is the best you could do without killing the entire runtime afaik Jul 24 18:39:41 cyanogen, i'm working on getting an X server to run. ;) Jul 24 18:39:55 ideally i want a motorola q with android Jul 24 18:39:59 you'd have to hack system_server i think Jul 24 18:39:59 yum Jul 24 18:40:03 it will be a sad day when i retire my g1.. but hopefully somebody releases an android based phone thats better than the g1.. to this day, that still hasn't occurred Jul 24 18:40:16 cyanogen, so it's not an issue of killing, but preventing it from restarting? Jul 24 18:40:21 snadge - give me a Samsung i7500 with a keyboard Jul 24 18:40:25 And I'll be happy Jul 24 18:40:31 yes but it doesnt have a keyboard does it Jul 24 18:40:38 yeah because it runs in a different space than regular apps Jul 24 18:40:42 I know :-/ Jul 24 18:41:06 so when are they going to release the ducks nuts android phone THAT HAS A KEYBOARD.. do i need to get physically violent with the marketing types? Jul 24 18:41:09 It charges via USB, right? Jul 24 18:41:12 surely its not the engineers that are to blame Jul 24 18:41:24 anyone knows off the topic of their how to change the text color in the notification bar? framework-res? Jul 24 18:41:40 Yuki: you know this trick of using a vnc-x-server on the phone, and access it with an android vnc viewer? Jul 24 18:41:47 k4r1m: it's hardcoded in to the framework :x Jul 24 18:41:48 k4r1m there is an app on xda that does it for you if you want to be lazy :) Jul 24 18:41:51 engineers make what they're told to make by management and marketing types.. management and marketing types need to be subjected to fatal beatings Jul 24 18:42:01 its in java code Jul 24 18:42:01 Gelb, i'm familiar with it, but that sounds like a serious performance drain Jul 24 18:42:06 cyanogen: link? im lazy :D Jul 24 18:42:09 k4r1m: if you're talking about the clock anyway Jul 24 18:42:15 zinx: why would such thing be hard coded? Jul 24 18:42:24 don't be lazy Jul 24 18:42:27 its in the themes forum :) Jul 24 18:42:32 k4r1m: don't ask me, i didn't code it Jul 24 18:42:36 in 10 years time.. they'll still be making android phones without keyboards.. and i'll still have my g1 Jul 24 18:42:47 zinx: i think we are talking about 2 different things lol Jul 24 18:42:56 snadge: your g1 wont support 6g Jul 24 18:43:06 Hn. The lack of physical keyboard never bothered me with the iPhone, but with the G1 using it with just onscreen keyboard bothers the hell out of me Jul 24 18:43:12 darweth, LTEv3 Jul 24 18:43:15 heh\ Jul 24 18:43:18 im talking about the text color in the notif bar for example when it says "USB Connected" Jul 24 18:43:18 by then someone will make a custom motherboard for it :) Jul 24 18:43:26 i was just trying to make a point which is falling on deaf ears really.. nobody in here can explain to me the sheer lack of enthusiasm for physical keyboards Jul 24 18:43:28 the iphone has such a friggen big screen that the osk isnt that bad Jul 24 18:43:36 yes.... Jul 24 18:43:37 i love physical keyboards Jul 24 18:43:42 snadge: in 10 years time you have google brain search: you just begin to think what you maybe want to do, and google just does it for you. Jul 24 18:43:48 thats why i bought sidekicks for 5 years Jul 24 18:43:51 I still havn't gotten around to re-encoding video and putting music on my phone because it's too much hassle. heh Jul 24 18:43:58 gelb: that wont work when im drunk Jul 24 18:44:02 Sidekicks never appealed to me... it dosn't seem like you can do that much to them Jul 24 18:44:07 still need a physical keyboard then Jul 24 18:44:08 Gelb: in ten years yeah thats when google takes over the world Jul 24 18:44:10 i love connectbot on a g1.. that is pure pornography Jul 24 18:44:12 yuki: you cant really Jul 24 18:44:19 there is nothing on this planet that comes close to using connectbot on a g1 Jul 24 18:44:19 :P Jul 24 18:44:25 connectbot is the best ssh client I've ever used on a mobile device Jul 24 18:44:29 by far Jul 24 18:44:30 but when it was basically a win mo phone or nothing, and the sidekick had a $30 unlimited texting/internet Jul 24 18:44:41 connectbot it the only app ive used on android that ive actually thought 'wow, they got this right' Jul 24 18:44:47 blau-mikeDG: yes, but you couldn't use the keyboard either. but google will show some funny pictures for your amusement then. Jul 24 18:44:54 snadge: ... i think you havn't had an erection for a while. Jul 24 18:44:56 if connectbot didnt exist, i would throw my g1 in the bin Jul 24 18:44:58 Since you use T-Mo, you should probably know that the internet package you can get for data devices for $20/month includes unlimited hotspot wifi and such. :) Jul 24 18:45:14 i spend 80% of my time on my g1.. using connectbot Jul 24 18:45:18 * jduggan has unlimited 3g from t-mo Jul 24 18:45:22 to irc, manage servers etc.. its fantastic Jul 24 18:45:28 and 20% jerking off? Jul 24 18:45:32 The nearest 3G area is like, 20 miles from here Jul 24 18:45:37 and it's UMTS to boot Jul 24 18:45:37 i have actually browsed porn with my g1 Jul 24 18:45:39 :'( Jul 24 18:45:40 sucks to be you Jul 24 18:45:41 :( Jul 24 18:45:46 snadge: sad Jul 24 18:45:47 ;P Jul 24 18:45:47 UMTS isn't really 3G Jul 24 18:45:50 it's like calling EVDO 3G Jul 24 18:45:51 ;D Jul 24 18:45:53 snadge: ... Jul 24 18:46:06 but the jerking off experience with a g1.. isnt that good, compared to a laptop, or a pc with a bigger screen.. but desperate times call for desperate measures :P Jul 24 18:46:08 you really need a "flash" player to browse porn on the net, though. Jul 24 18:46:09 that's when you know you have an issue... Jul 24 18:46:12 what's wrong with UMTS? Jul 24 18:46:28 Death_Syn, it was more joking then anything else Jul 24 18:46:29 i think evdo is faster than 3g Jul 24 18:46:32 Yuki: every technology is slow, because it is always overcrowded. Jul 24 18:46:33 2 minute previews is all i need. Jul 24 18:46:40 is it me or does the Android browser reload the current page you are on every time you change to another app, then change back? Jul 24 18:46:41 I have to go all the way down to Washington DC to get HSDPA Jul 24 18:46:45 snadge: connectbot's existance is why I bought my G1 Jul 24 18:46:47 no biggy Jul 24 18:46:50 autojack, lack of ram Jul 24 18:46:53 try using opera mini? Jul 24 18:46:58 my operator has 7.2mbit here, and it is slow like hell with all the people in the same cell. Jul 24 18:47:02 hey guys, I was just wondering, what builds are you using? what build would you be recommending? Jul 24 18:47:07 Yuki: really?? that's ridiculous. Jul 24 18:47:23 autojack, they put the largest single ram chip that you can get in the G1 Jul 24 18:47:25 i also donated $10 to the connectbot authors Jul 24 18:47:25 ok.. a more constructive question is.. is a mobile device manufacturer, working on a device with a physical keyboard that will exceed the specifications/usefuless of a g1? Jul 24 18:47:33 thinking about another $10 Jul 24 18:47:38 Gelb: same here my op says they have 7.2 but its more like 0.72 Jul 24 18:47:43 snadge: good question Jul 24 18:47:52 .72 is faster then the .3 i get with UMTS :) Jul 24 18:47:53 death: i made connectbot, send it to me Jul 24 18:47:53 thanks Jul 24 18:48:00 wtf Jul 24 18:48:01 liar Jul 24 18:48:02 if not.. why not? are mobile phone makers really that stupid? Jul 24 18:48:03 i made connectbot Jul 24 18:48:04 :P Jul 24 18:48:12 snadge, slide/keyboard phones break. often. Jul 24 18:48:17 theres at least 50 people in here that would buy one Jul 24 18:48:18 i made the ssh protocal Jul 24 18:48:20 it's more costly to the operator Jul 24 18:48:25 snadge: im making a phone with a keyboard Jul 24 18:48:25 k4r1m: operators enhance their networks to stuff more customers in each cell, not to make it faster for a single customer. Jul 24 18:48:27 i need funding though Jul 24 18:48:32 * Yuki sues AndroidFan811 for libel Jul 24 18:48:33 :D Jul 24 18:48:42 * EugeneKay sues Yuki for being a wanker Jul 24 18:48:48 Gelb, i've noticed that i can usually get at least half theroetical out of T-Mo's cells Jul 24 18:48:53 Yuki: so the browser is getting garbage-collected when I'm not using it? Jul 24 18:49:08 they like to jam pack cells and put a ton of backend pipes on each cell, from what i've seen, anyway Jul 24 18:49:10 hey guys, i just want a quick poll... what build are you using? Jul 24 18:49:11 but it is fast enough for the mobile web. I don't care much about desktop websites when using a cellphone. Jul 24 18:49:22 autojack, are you using a modified rom or a stock phone? Jul 24 18:49:28 cyan3.6.8.1 Jul 24 18:49:30 autojack, and that'd be my best guess Jul 24 18:49:31 stock G1 with ADP build. Jul 24 18:49:51 autojack, ah, move to a build that has compcache enabled. you'll enjoy it a lot more Jul 24 18:49:54 Yuki: maybe us customers are so surprised when they see a real hsdpa cell they simply forget using it. ;-) Jul 24 18:49:54 it's like adding more ram for free Jul 24 18:49:58 on an unrelated topic that i brushed upon earlier.. how many people are aware that both japan and india have satellites that orbit the moon? Jul 24 18:50:02 Gelb, haha Jul 24 18:50:04 cyanogen: can't find it, thread tag/title? Jul 24 18:50:18 snadge, wait what? Jul 24 18:50:24 geez, i am still on 3.6.5 (that was only what 2 weeks ago) Jul 24 18:50:26 why does neither of these satellites have high quality optical photography onboard with decent zoom? Jul 24 18:50:53 outtolunc, i remember when i first got a tweet for that version! Jul 24 18:50:57 is it because every single japanese president since the war was a freemason.. and nasa is closely tied with freemasonry? :P Jul 24 18:51:09 cyanogen: nvm lol Jul 24 18:51:10 i was in the bathroom at one of the McDonalds stores i manage Jul 24 18:51:15 takin' a shit Jul 24 18:51:22 i had to remember my EID so i could log into the wifi for free to download it Jul 24 18:51:31 * freenose wants a android phone that supports 850/1900 UMTS :-( Jul 24 18:51:32 (screw downloading updates over EDGE :'( ) Jul 24 18:51:36 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=535630 Jul 24 18:51:37 meh Jul 24 18:51:54 i'd like a treo form-factor android phone Jul 24 18:51:58 your builds blow Jul 24 18:51:59 so that I don't have to slide Jul 24 18:52:04 my goal is to create my own moon orbiter with decent camera on it :P Jul 24 18:52:24 and im going to take donations for that cause cos it apparently costs a quarter of a billion to do it Jul 24 18:52:29 ild rather build a house. Jul 24 18:52:30 I never used wifi APs when I had an iphone and was able to do so for free. 3g is often not fast, but it was always good enough. and here aren't much APs around here. Jul 24 18:52:39 but nobody could be bothered putting a camera on it.. cos like.. who wants pictures right? Jul 24 18:52:54 eh Jul 24 18:53:01 i use wifi cuz i get it for free at every mcdonalds in the world Jul 24 18:53:01 :D Jul 24 18:53:10 except australia Jul 24 18:53:14 hell, McD's pays for my health insurance and soon they'll pay for my college Jul 24 18:53:19 so far, everywhere I go that has 3g service with tmobile, the data rates are better than ATT on 3g hardware Jul 24 18:53:23 snadge, nope, even australia if they have WiFi hotspots Jul 24 18:53:28 big if there, though. :) Jul 24 18:53:38 ATT seems to be more over-sold Jul 24 18:53:40 My corporate EID is valid anywhere Jul 24 18:53:42 at least in the Dallas market Jul 24 18:53:57 AT&T rolled out 3G phones without telling anyone and before they built out the 3G Jul 24 18:54:01 can we use your corporate eid? Jul 24 18:54:07 so everyone already had the hardware, and they slowly started building Jul 24 18:54:12 but never enough to cover utilization Jul 24 18:54:46 snadge: I knew that. Jul 24 18:54:50 snadge: re: satellites. Jul 24 18:54:55 the Indian one was launched last year. Jul 24 18:55:11 Yuki: at least you can use your 3g/edge tariff in the whole country. I can use mine only in small parts of the EU. Jul 24 18:55:13 hi, is their any update/workaround for this: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=869 ? Jul 24 18:55:16 "Sound effects through MediaPlayer are delayed, truncated, or garbled" Jul 24 18:55:35 Gelb, well, you guys do have a different governemntal system then we do Jul 24 18:55:58 Yuki: does the jesusfreke rom have compcache? Jul 24 18:55:59 so I'd expect some weird issues Jul 24 18:56:05 autojack: right.. why the lack of digital cameras? Jul 24 18:56:05 autojack, i'm using cyanogen's roms Jul 24 18:56:15 snadge: I have no idea. Jul 24 18:56:25 i mean.. they're terrain mapping, doing geology studies etc.. i want to see picture of the original moon landing site Jul 24 18:56:26 Yuki: it is strange that you have t-mobile contract in one country, and are not allowed it to use it at t-mobile in another country. Jul 24 18:56:45 surely it doesnt cost much to take a snap of that Jul 24 18:56:46 snadge: neither of those things requires a camera. Jul 24 18:56:52 Hn. I pay $20/month or some shit extra to get unlimited calling and data overseas Jul 24 18:57:06 for terrain mapping you want radar. Jul 24 18:57:14 for geology you want probably a spectrometer. Jul 24 18:57:16 right.. but i want to see the moon buggy Jul 24 18:57:19 shrug Jul 24 18:57:19 lol Jul 24 18:57:20 and the flag they put there Jul 24 18:57:33 look at the pictures from 1969 :) Jul 24 18:57:36 what do you guys think about guava? Jul 24 18:57:37 but they're fake Jul 24 18:57:41 lol Jul 24 18:57:43 lol Jul 24 18:57:50 i want to see them again.. if they're real Jul 24 18:57:52 Yuki: thats quite cheap. i pay something like 6$ per mb overseas, and thats one of the cheapest tariffs. other operators want something like 40$ per mb. Jul 24 18:57:56 why not? it doesnt cost much to do that does it? Jul 24 18:57:59 christ Jul 24 18:58:01 finally shut up all those people like me? Jul 24 18:58:37 looks like im going to have to save up a quarter of a billion by myself then :P Jul 24 18:58:42 snadgesat Jul 24 18:59:09 lol Jul 24 18:59:11 go for it Jul 24 18:59:31 okay Jul 24 18:59:39 tonight, I get a working android image on my phone compiled from source Jul 24 18:59:44 consider it done.. i will be accepting donations as soon as i have formulated a plan.. unfortunately, theres a suspicious lack of information about launching satellites Jul 24 18:59:50 no there's not Jul 24 19:00:02 Heck, I'm even part of an organization that doe a lot of it Jul 24 19:00:05 (AMSAT) Jul 24 19:00:07 amsat? Jul 24 19:00:10 :D Jul 24 19:00:12 lol come on Jul 24 19:00:14 anyone else? Jul 24 19:00:17 russians maybe? Jul 24 19:00:21 Hey, the information is out there Jul 24 19:00:26 hell, go buy some missiles from the russians Jul 24 19:00:33 they'll be like" U HAS RUSTY MISSILES U GIVE US MONIES K?" Jul 24 19:00:34 snadge: you know that we went to the moon nine times, including I think seven landings, right? Jul 24 19:00:41 why would we fake it NINE TIMES Jul 24 19:00:43 i will visit kazakstahn.. i dont care ;) Jul 24 19:00:58 sell borat to the russians Jul 24 19:00:59 :x Jul 24 19:01:02 autojack: so that people are more likely to believe it actually happened Jul 24 19:01:15 Hey there, I'm trying to root my magic like described at http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Magic_Rooting - with method 1 after doing the fastboot-command the phone just displays the "HTC Magic" bootscreen and hangs. With method 2 it displays the recovery utility, but when I try to apply the update I get: -- Install from sdcard... -- Finding update package... -- E:Can't mount /dev/block/mmcblk0p1 (or /dev/block/mmcblk0) (No such Jul 24 19:01:21 ... file or directory) -- E:Can't mount SDCARD:update.zip -- Installation aborted. Anyone got an idea? Jul 24 19:01:30 snadge: nine times makes it more believable than four? Jul 24 19:01:33 or fifteen? Jul 24 19:01:41 its certainly more believable than one Jul 24 19:01:51 yeah but two probably would have been enough right? Jul 24 19:01:54 to convince most people. Jul 24 19:02:05 9 is just to make sure ;P Jul 24 19:02:38 i just have a sneaking suspicion that only the russians will be able to help with this one Jul 24 19:03:02 or have they been bought out too? Jul 24 19:03:24 how do you press page up on android keyboard in connectbot? Jul 24 19:03:33 snadge: http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html Jul 24 19:03:37 AndroidFan811: finger up on left hand side of screen Jul 24 19:03:39 Anyone have a good explanation of what STK is really good for? Jul 24 19:03:43 I'm not quite sure I get it at all Jul 24 19:03:47 now let's stop talking about this since it's totally off topic for this channel. Jul 24 19:03:50 and I hate when people do this. Jul 24 19:04:12 sorry.. theres just some really knowledgeable people in here about this subject.. strange coincidence maybe ;) Jul 24 19:04:22 people in #android aren't any more likely to walk to talk about the moon landings than people in #apache or #linux Jul 24 19:04:23 snadge: thanks! Jul 24 19:05:15 Hrm. Jul 24 19:05:28 i dont need to point out the relationship between google and the CFR do i? or that larry page and sergey brin were at the bilderberg 2009 conference in greece? Jul 24 19:05:38 :P Jul 24 19:06:11 could anyone maybe help me with my qestion? Jul 24 19:06:11 ;P Jul 24 19:06:16 s/qe/que/ Jul 24 19:06:33 The-Compiler: no, we only talk about moon landings, the jfk assassination, and 9/11 in here :D Jul 24 19:06:43 their own search engine will tell you all about it.. that one im still scratching my head about Jul 24 19:06:44 I figured that :P Jul 24 19:06:47 heh Jul 24 19:07:01 hmm Jul 24 19:07:06 looking at your q Jul 24 19:07:15 I haven't tried to root the Magic yet. Jul 24 19:07:42 anybody happen to use TunesRemote? Jul 24 19:07:56 I remember when I was rooting the G1 I had all kinds of issues. I think they were related to the formatting of the SD card Jul 24 19:08:04 and a lot of people said that the card the phone came with sucked Jul 24 19:08:16 but that seemed shady to me. like it would work fine for everything but rooting the phone. Jul 24 19:08:50 why does people who want to supress information, also want to give everyone access to all information for free? Jul 24 19:08:57 ugh man Jul 24 19:09:07 go to #conspiracy Jul 24 19:09:17 there is one? cool :P Jul 24 19:09:24 no but you can start it. Jul 24 19:09:33 that way everyone who cares will be listening. Jul 24 19:09:54 ahh i see.. they rely on people not caring, thanks for the answer dude Jul 24 19:10:04 thats a bad assumption :P Jul 24 19:10:09 /ignore snadge Jul 24 19:10:12 oops Jul 24 19:10:48 inevitably people saw what i wrote, and will potentially google it themselves.. what do i care ;) Jul 24 19:14:14 woohooo Jul 24 19:14:25 my android image is booting Jul 24 19:14:25 :D Jul 24 19:16:27 YES Jul 24 19:16:32 MY FIRST COMPILED IMAGE BOOTED Jul 24 19:16:33 :D Jul 24 19:16:40 nice man Jul 24 19:16:45 okay Jul 24 19:16:49 now to build for dream Jul 24 19:16:54 and deploy to my phone Jul 24 19:17:00 and then... the first step in a long process Jul 24 19:17:12 getting a statically linked bash compiled and symlinked as /bin/sh Jul 24 19:18:34 whaat Jul 24 19:18:39 why does the emulator only have 2 bars of signal Jul 24 19:18:41 haha Jul 24 19:19:55 wait what? Jul 24 19:20:03 the emulator only grants itself UMTS connection? Jul 24 19:20:03 lol Jul 24 19:20:33 can you please stop hitting enter as much. Jul 24 19:20:52 Sorry, i'm just a little excited that i'm actually making progress. Jul 24 19:28:24 Yuki: Did you ever play Ultima Online? Jul 24 19:28:34 No, sadly Jul 24 19:28:39 Well, I play FFXI myself Jul 24 19:29:19 okay, how do I tell this to not build some things? Jul 24 19:29:30 like, say, I just want dialer and settings, and nothing else built in terms of applications Jul 24 19:43:20 my contacts are slower now (3.6.8.1), i used to be able to fling all the way down the list (large list) Jul 24 19:44:27 then use 3.9 Jul 24 19:44:37 heh Jul 24 19:44:38 its MUCH faster Jul 24 19:44:39 if in doubt, UPDATE Jul 24 19:44:40 :D Jul 24 19:45:56 i meant the cycling through speed, i used to be able to fling from top to bottom, one swipe, now it takes 5 wipes Jul 24 19:46:30 heh Jul 24 19:46:34 goes fast enough for me Jul 24 19:46:39 nandroid backup done Jul 24 19:46:40 :D Jul 24 19:46:49 try flinging your finger faster Jul 24 19:46:55 might do some good Jul 24 19:46:59 JesusFreke: ping! yoyoyo you gonna make an update for adp1? Jul 24 19:47:02 or not Jul 24 19:47:06 or quit life Jul 24 19:47:10 and is a hermit Jul 24 19:47:11 yeah, i got it in 3 swipes now Jul 24 19:47:40 AakashPatel: leave Jesus alone Jul 24 19:48:07 21:01:14 < The-Compiler> Hey there, I'm trying to root my magic like described at http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Magic_Rooting - with method 1 after doing the fastboot-command the phone just displays the "HTC Magic" Jul 24 19:48:12 bootscreen and hangs. With method 2 it dislays the recovery utility, but when I try to apply the update I get: -- Install from sdcard... -- Finding update package... -- En:Can't mount /dev/block/mmcblk0p1 (or /dev/block/mmcblk0) (No such ... Jul 24 19:48:16 21:01:14 < The-Compiler> ... file or directory) -- E:Can't mount SDCARD:update.zip -- Installation aborted. Anyone got an idea? Jul 24 19:48:19 anyone an idea? Jul 24 19:48:41 I even tried another SD card w/o success, tried reformatting the sd which came with the android to FAT32, no success either Jul 24 19:48:51 what phone do you have ? Jul 24 19:49:02 HTC Magic Jul 24 19:49:40 well ION ? mytouch ? Vodaphone ? Jul 24 19:50:12 Not branded, got it from Sunrise (Swiss cellphone company) Jul 24 19:50:14 shiznebit: ??? Jul 24 19:50:22 shhh Jul 24 19:50:26 :P Jul 24 19:54:07 http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Sapphire_Hacking Jul 24 19:54:15 The-Compiler: ^^ Jul 24 19:54:37 which SPL and board do you have ? Jul 24 19:56:55 is there a howto for regenerating odex files? Jul 24 19:58:14 there is a script that you can run that will do it for you. You only need to run it after updating applications Jul 24 19:58:40 its somewhere on xda. title gen_odex.sh Jul 24 19:58:43 binarybeats: no how-to. but you use dexopt-wrapper Jul 24 19:58:45 btw is there a standard way to look after updates? Jul 24 19:59:27 I found a script to do it. Jul 24 19:59:55 ok so you only need to run that script to regenerate Jul 24 20:00:11 I had a mishap with apps2sd and now need to fix some apps Jul 24 20:00:15 Ergh. Where is documentation on the android build system? Jul 24 20:01:18 it is not really documented; it's just sitting there on the disk. the core parts of it do have some comments internally that explain stuff but it's not really thorough. Jul 24 20:01:53 ah Jul 24 20:02:02 i'm trying to find some way to selectively tell it what apps to build and not build Jul 24 20:02:36 make Jul 24 20:02:53 you can find the targets in the Android.mk of the respective app you want to build Jul 24 20:02:59 http://www.pastebin.org/4047 does that look right? Jul 24 20:03:04 look for LOCAL_MODULE or something similiar Jul 24 20:03:15 JesusFreke, I want it to *not* build parts that it builds when I just say 'make' Jul 24 20:03:29 ie contacts app, some providers, etc Jul 24 20:03:32 omit line 23 Jul 24 20:03:46 Yuki: gotcha. good luck digging through the build system then :) I have no clue. hehe Jul 24 20:04:19 * jasta knows Jul 24 20:04:19 :) Jul 24 20:04:28 buildspec.mk Jul 24 20:04:29 ? Jul 24 20:04:33 no Jul 24 20:04:42 there are two ways to do this: you can override them with another package (say, some version you want to build instead) Jul 24 20:04:50 this is done with PRODUCT_PACKAGE_OVERRIDES or something like that. Jul 24 20:05:05 if you want to simply remove them, you have to remove them from the base product. the default build product is generic, so you would edit: Jul 24 20:05:35 build/target/product/generic.mk, and core.mk in the same location Jul 24 20:05:39 generic.mk extends core.mk Jul 24 20:06:13 the right way is to create your own product. Jul 24 20:06:17 FWIW. Jul 24 20:06:23 if the package you want to remove is not listed there, then as suggested you could remove it by modifying the package in question's Android.mk to set LOCAL_MODULE_TAGS to foo or something else dummy, or you could just do a user build instead of an eng build Jul 24 20:06:28 this is done with lunch combos to pick the build variant Jul 24 20:06:34 run choosecombo to see Jul 24 20:06:54 ctate: actually i had a question about that as well Jul 24 20:07:21 i probably can't answer it but shoot :) Jul 24 20:07:37 ctate: because PRODUCT_PACKAGES is incremental, it doesn't seem possible to remove a package that you inherited. Jul 24 20:07:40 does anyone know if there is going to be imap idle support in the mail client soon ? I saw some posts about people working on it but I can't find anything relevant in Google Code pages Jul 24 20:07:49 so if you inherit Contacts, you basically have to override or take it Jul 24 20:08:01 anyone know much about android.sax? Jul 24 20:08:06 hm, there are no exclusion sorts of modifiers? Jul 24 20:08:09 you could build a dummy module that built nothing and used product override on COntacts, but athst sucks Jul 24 20:08:13 i was right; i can't answer it :) Jul 24 20:08:17 okay Jul 24 20:08:19 ctate: not that i have ever seen -- because as i said it's incremental Jul 24 20:08:24 right Jul 24 20:08:33 just clone the parent and modify Jul 24 20:08:37 your product would say PRODUCT_PACKAGES = Foo, then inheriting from the base product will just add your var to the base. Jul 24 20:08:51 i would say the cleanest solution would be to make a dummy package and override. Jul 24 20:08:52 but yeah it's a mess if what you want is really some bundle minus just one thing Jul 24 20:08:57 yeah, probably Jul 24 20:09:50 Yuki: that said, the PRODUCT_PACKAGES system won't report an error or anything if you just rm the package's Android.mk :) Jul 24 20:09:54 though i dont think you should do it this way Jul 24 20:10:05 :) Jul 24 20:10:12 PRODUCT_PACKAGES is default filtered to exclude packages that just plain don't exist. Jul 24 20:10:34 (i consider this to be a _HUGE_ bug in the build system, if anyone's curious)( Jul 24 20:10:45 :) Jul 24 20:10:47 because the build should totally include nonexistent things? ;) Jul 24 20:11:02 because the build should fail completely if the product specifies nonsense Jul 24 20:11:13 oh, you mean it IGNORES the mention of nonexistent things Jul 24 20:11:14 i see. Jul 24 20:11:15 rather than silently powering through Jul 24 20:11:25 patches welcome. srsly. Jul 24 20:11:34 i wish. t-mobile lawyers are monsters. Jul 24 20:12:03 ah yes. fooey. Jul 24 20:12:05 i'm currently fighting to get them to agree to not fire me if i go back to submitting shit under my personal account Jul 24 20:12:09 also, s/t-mobile // Jul 24 20:13:12 okay Jul 24 20:13:16 now to figure out how to make my own product Jul 24 20:13:17 :) Jul 24 20:16:12 ergh Jul 24 20:16:45 yes it's a big complicated wodge of build system Jul 24 20:17:17 Wodge? Jul 24 20:17:21 That's a new on for me. Jul 24 20:17:23 it's a great word! Jul 24 20:17:23 Yuki: here's a hint: vendor/htc/dream has a product definition you could copy from. Jul 24 20:17:26 *one* Jul 24 20:17:35 It does seem great. Jul 24 20:17:36 jasta, i'm planning to base off of that Jul 24 20:17:38 http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wodge Jul 24 20:17:40 It's just the first time I've heard it. Jul 24 20:17:44 Yuki: another hint: source build/envsetup.sh -- now you get to type mgrep foo to search the build files Jul 24 20:17:46 heh, the android build system is a dream (no pun intended) compared to some of the ones I've seen elsewhere Jul 24 20:17:57 jasonb, lunch is telling me i don't have a dream environment though :) Jul 24 20:18:06 you didn't source build/envsetup.sh Jul 24 20:18:11 that's why Jul 24 20:18:11 Yuki: lunch combos are manually added through a vendorsetup.sh script. Jul 24 20:18:16 ctate That is truly an awesome word. I shall now commence to utilizing it. Jul 24 20:18:21 ctate: huh? Jul 24 20:18:25 i executed build/envsetup.sh Jul 24 20:18:31 aha Jul 24 20:18:33 ctate is insane, he doesn't know what he's saying :) Jul 24 20:18:45 lunch combos are explicitly added with a commnad line add_lunch_combo or something. Jul 24 20:18:47 i misread as lunch complaining that the buidl wasn't set up Jul 24 20:18:54 it offers me generic-eng and simulator Jul 24 20:18:55 normally, you would place a vendor/mycompany/vendorsetup.sh script to add them Jul 24 20:19:13 that said, you could just type lunch shutyourface-eng Jul 24 20:19:14 i don't need that local_manifest.xml anymore, do i? Jul 24 20:19:16 anyone knows whats in Stk.apk app? Jul 24 20:19:16 and it'll set it up Jul 24 20:19:28 (also jbq has recently been making a ton of changes to the OSS sources & build setup, iirc) Jul 24 20:19:39 ctate: has he now? :) Jul 24 20:20:06 Phlogi: SIM toolkit stuff Jul 24 20:20:10 ctate: thanks :) Jul 24 20:20:19 and what is com.htc.clicker.apk ? Jul 24 20:20:31 no clue; that's something by HTC Jul 24 20:20:37 you know you can dump them. aapt dumptree or some command like that Jul 24 20:20:43 (what build are you looking at, Phlogi ?) Jul 24 20:20:45 you can look at the manifest and such to guess what it does Jul 24 20:20:51 (some unknown...) Jul 24 20:20:58 I'm not sure if I've installed them myself :) Jul 24 20:21:20 Yesterday my phone just rebooted all the time.. now I did update and want to clean out stuff that gives problems while booting... Jul 24 20:21:31 and that clicker thing gives a java exception... Jul 24 20:21:36 so I was wondering if I need that Jul 24 20:21:45 * Phlogi tries to get a clean phone again Jul 24 20:23:22 is there anything similar to aTrackDog? This app sucks sorry Jul 24 20:23:53 I'm trying to setup Android on an intel atom, and have pretty much everything working except my touchscreen driver. Is there anyone here familiar with how to debug a touchscreen driver? Jul 24 20:23:57 I'm hoping to better replicate the structure of the internal build system for dream on the OSS tree (the current OSS one doesn't look at all like the real thing), which'll be easier to maintain, and will also provide something closer to a real-world example. Jul 24 20:24:10 ChrisL: I would ask this on android-porting ml Jul 24 20:24:29 Thanks. I'll do that. Jul 24 20:24:56 hey Jul 24 20:25:00 who updated the build for dream page? Jul 24 20:25:02 :) Jul 24 20:25:09 I did Jul 24 20:25:20 thank you Jul 24 20:26:11 :) Jul 24 20:26:50 ergh Jul 24 20:26:53 * ctate | (the current OSS one doesn't look at all like the real thing) Jul 24 20:26:55 jbq: ! Jul 24 20:26:56 my herald has trapped moisture :in the screen :( Jul 24 20:28:14 i have a problem with android.sax: xml like parent txt elem Jul 24 20:28:19 i can install a listener on parent for child or for the text element, but not both Jul 24 20:28:24 need both; any ideas? Jul 24 20:28:36 foobum: if no one helps you in #android-dev, just be patient. Jul 24 20:28:37 :) Jul 24 20:28:47 <- impatient :) Jul 24 20:29:02 i can see that. Jul 24 20:30:13 I can't use my browser any longer, it crashes: http://pastebin.com/m4b680804 anyone has an idea about this? thanks a lot Jul 24 20:31:41 oh maybe a cache issue: W/TabControl( 863): Free WebView cache Jul 24 20:31:47 maybe some broken cache links Jul 24 20:35:53 hmm now I deleted /data/data/com.android.browser/ -> java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to get provider com.android.browser.BrowserProvider: android.database.sqlite.SQLiteException: unable to open database file Jul 24 20:36:21 (oops sorry) Jul 24 20:38:16 works again :) Jul 24 20:38:31 what's a safe temp to bake a phone at ? Jul 24 20:38:38 to get moisture out of the LCD without rebuilding it Jul 24 20:38:39 :D Jul 24 20:38:59 100f sound good? Jul 24 20:39:46 Yuki, put it in a bag of rice Jul 24 20:39:53 or silica gel if you have some Jul 24 20:39:54 yeah Jul 24 20:39:58 something absorbent Jul 24 20:40:00 or salt Jul 24 20:40:10 KNY, it sat in a bag of rice for like a week Jul 24 20:40:17 you can get silica gel packets for dirt cheap online Jul 24 20:40:18 a sealed bag, that is Jul 24 20:40:19 :) Jul 24 20:40:58 just set in inside the case of your router for a week Jul 24 20:40:58 it got overheated in a car and i think expansion trapped moisture in the lcd layers Jul 24 20:41:03 haha Jul 24 20:44:42 Why is the market publisher console so slow to update the rating and download counts? Jul 24 20:45:50 ivantis, probably performance reasons Jul 24 20:46:14 nvm! found my torx drivers Jul 24 20:46:14 :D Jul 24 20:46:41 but do you have both straight and secure torx drivers? ;) Jul 24 20:47:17 ha Jul 24 20:47:28 * ctate had to go buy secure torx bits recently. FEH. Jul 24 20:48:01 just drill out the screws ;-) Jul 24 20:48:57 haha Jul 24 20:49:03 i like to put it back together Jul 24 20:49:03 :D Jul 24 20:49:36 oh shi- Jul 24 20:49:39 i broke a warranty void sticker Jul 24 20:49:40 Yuki, what, you got something against gorilla glue? Jul 24 20:49:41 ZOMG Jul 24 20:49:45 *quivers in fear* Jul 24 20:49:45 Yuki, I'm telling! Jul 24 20:50:04 :D Jul 24 20:50:54 i'm in ur spleen Jul 24 20:50:56 voidin ur warranty Jul 24 20:57:12 it is sad that Jabber seems to have so many different ways to present the avatar, you never really know which client will show it and which won't Jul 24 20:58:36 what was the way to disable the audio indexer for certain directories? Creating a file called .nomedia? Or .nomusic? Jul 24 21:04:08 what is wrong with this god damned island Jul 24 21:04:13 and beer Jul 24 21:04:18 Phlogi, .nomedia Jul 24 21:04:22 snadge: which island? Jul 24 21:04:27 the isle of ma Jul 24 21:04:31 +n Jul 24 21:04:35 tbo, this one: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0399201/ Jul 24 21:04:39 KNY: thanks, I'm wondering why something like that is documented Jul 24 21:04:52 snadge: never been there Jul 24 21:05:14 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Man Jul 24 21:05:15 Phlogi, I found it here: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3129 Jul 24 21:05:21 KNY: ah nice Jul 24 21:05:24 wherever you throw me, i shall stand! Jul 24 21:05:53 whaddap Jul 24 21:06:03 snadge: isn't it a crown colony or something? Jul 24 21:06:10 anyone find out what the best compcache settings are yet? Jul 24 21:06:11 it's part of great briain Jul 24 21:06:14 britain Jul 24 21:06:16 still running 32mb/80 Jul 24 21:06:39 oh, i see that nowadays it's "a self-governing Crown dependency" Jul 24 21:06:42 ugh Jul 24 21:06:51 ctate: crown dependency according to Wikipedia Jul 24 21:06:52 ctate, like canada Jul 24 21:07:00 Yuki: ha ha ha ha ha Jul 24 21:07:03 :) Jul 24 21:07:05 tbo: beat you to it! Jul 24 21:07:11 interestingly enough though.. when you mail order things to the isle of man, you have to select United Kingdom Jul 24 21:07:16 iirc the queen can at any time disolve parliment in canada and take over Jul 24 21:07:17 even though its not part of the UK Jul 24 21:07:18 looks like Man, Jersey, and Guernsey have special status Jul 24 21:07:23 Yuki: Canada is not dependent Jul 24 21:07:31 they're part of the UK except sort of not Jul 24 21:07:39 Yuki: Queen elizabeth is just also the Queen of Canada Jul 24 21:07:54 queen elizabeth is shown without her crown on the manx currency Jul 24 21:08:00 which i might add, is not acceptable in england Jul 24 21:08:08 yeah, but she's still on the money Jul 24 21:08:12 heh Jul 24 21:08:16 without her crown.. its a slight Jul 24 21:08:21 shes not our queen! Jul 24 21:08:25 if you've got the queen on the money, you're part of the empire :) Jul 24 21:08:36 (see also: Canada) Jul 24 21:08:37 english money she has a crown Jul 24 21:08:39 lol @ queen of canada Jul 24 21:08:40 lol Jul 24 21:08:50 what a title Jul 24 21:09:08 Yuki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada Jul 24 21:09:09 snadge: looks like Manx legislative actions technically still depend on the approval of the crown Jul 24 21:09:23 the isle of man also has the oldest existing government in the world Jul 24 21:09:34 but soon Scotland will be a independent republic ;-) Jul 24 21:09:39 and also either the only, or one of very few countries to continuosly post a budget surplus Jul 24 21:09:49 snadge: older than San Marino? Jul 24 21:09:51 * ctate | Westminster retains the right to legislate for the Islands against their will as a last resort Jul 24 21:09:55 tbo: yes Jul 24 21:10:10 right.. but the isle of man still stands, and still makes its own laws Jul 24 21:10:21 too bad about the cats though :) Jul 24 21:10:21 and nobody has been able to change that in a very long time ;) Jul 24 21:10:26 wait Jul 24 21:10:34 these screens have a built in screen protector layer on top of the digitizer? Jul 24 21:10:36 o snap Jul 24 21:10:39 snadge: but San Marino is the oldest republic which still exist Jul 24 21:10:54 or was that a 3rd party screen protector? Jul 24 21:10:58 probably 3rd party overlay Jul 24 21:11:05 if you could remove it, it was 3rd party Jul 24 21:11:08 okay Jul 24 21:11:56 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tynwald (fta: Tynwald is usually said in the Isle of Man to be the oldest parliament in continuous existence in the world, having been established by 979 (though its roots may go back to the late 800s as the thing of Norse raiders not yet permanently resident on the island) and having continued to be held since that time without interruption.) Jul 24 21:11:59 ... why am i watching BET? O.O Jul 24 21:12:30 snadge: is that not a crown: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/11/IsleofManPound.png Jul 24 21:12:50 Im a new hacker no one can help me Jul 24 21:13:06 Hackerjoe: the forest is big Jul 24 21:13:31 can we do some in die hard 4.0 Jul 24 21:13:34 tbo: wtf.. let me check my wallet Jul 24 21:14:24 the coins show her with a crown, the notes dont it seems Jul 24 21:14:57 snadge: but the Manx currency is on par with the Pound Sterling? Jul 24 21:15:21 right.. the isle of man will accept english pounds, but england will not accept isle of man pounds Jul 24 21:15:40 ctate, so you're telling me Jul 24 21:15:42 i just rebuilt my phone Jul 24 21:15:44 to remove moisture Jul 24 21:15:49 trapped under a fucking 3rd party screen protector Jul 24 21:16:07 money laundering is popular here :P and motorbike racing Jul 24 21:16:30 as well as avoidance of taxation Jul 24 21:17:52 snadge: not different to other microstates in Europe, like Liechtenstein Jul 24 21:19:01 wherever there is taxation, there are tax dodgers ;) Jul 24 21:19:09 ubuntu is registered on the isle of man Jul 24 21:19:18 snadge: oh, the Isle of Man is not part of the EU Jul 24 21:19:44 does anyone know if any new phones (with keyboard) will run android be released soon? ive waited over a year for the g1 (htc dream) and i dont want to only get it and find out they released a new one? Jul 24 21:19:51 the first place in the world to receive adsl and 3g was the isle of man :P Jul 24 21:20:44 i should probably shut up about the IOM before they put me in prison.. i've offended many persons on the island..i should go back to australia where i belong :P Jul 24 21:20:45 I know this is mostly a java development channel, but I need to figure out how to hide the vertical scrollbar in the android browser. Seems like I can't get rid of it Jul 24 21:20:59 huh, #android-dev is that Jul 24 21:21:07 snadge: why is that? Jul 24 21:21:09 this is supposed to be mostly an AOSP channel Jul 24 21:21:20 but it has ended up being mostly a "how i root my phone ???" channel Jul 24 21:21:35 you're not supposed to poke into places that people dont tend to talk about Jul 24 21:21:46 its a small place, word travels fast Jul 24 21:21:54 jbq: cool, that will be helpful for other ports Jul 24 21:23:02 snadge: but you're are Australian? Jul 24 21:23:53 absolutely .. born and raised there Jul 24 21:24:05 even ssh to there to irc from ;) Jul 24 21:24:15 snadge: ah Jul 24 21:24:30 snadge: do you feel like part of Asia? Jul 24 21:24:47 tmzt: Australia isn't Asia Jul 24 21:24:48 if you must know, my ip address that im using is 83.218.6.131 :P Jul 24 21:25:38 so what is it, I always thought it was culturally Europe, but not sure of the geography and local market Jul 24 21:26:15 its a crown dependency effectively.. the usual story.. black people lived here, whites came along and killed them all.. now everyone here speaks english Jul 24 21:26:18 tmzt: Australia is Australia Jul 24 21:26:30 happened pretty much everywhere ;) Jul 24 21:26:48 tbo: helpful :) Jul 24 21:26:48 Australia, kinda like america with more tolerance, better food, and hotter gals Jul 24 21:27:10 tmzt: it is a continent Jul 24 21:27:12 kinda like america, and the natives.. basically english Jul 24 21:27:33 lets face it.. i mean they threw the tea in the ocean, but they still speak the same language (very similar anyway) Jul 24 21:27:44 I know it's a continent, and a country. I'm just wondering given the proximity to places like Indonesia Jul 24 21:27:48 krikey Jul 24 21:28:20 tmzt : http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Australia&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=49.757664,64.511719&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=3 Jul 24 21:28:38 the english are an evil bunch, and northern americans generally fail to acknowledge that they are descendants of that empire ;) Jul 24 21:28:43 You can't possibly claim brittish ancestry unless you atleast play cricket Jul 24 21:28:55 I've been to Sydney and Melbourne.... I HIGHY reccomend Melbourne. Jul 24 21:30:38 http://www.apfn.org/apfn/KNIGHTHOOD.HTM Jul 24 21:30:56 interesting list of united states citizens which have received knighthood.. which is technically illegal Jul 24 21:31:28 a united states citizen who accepts being a subject of the british empire, is comitting treason :P Jul 24 21:31:43 oops Jul 24 21:33:04 snadge: I'm a northern american, and my ancestry is native american, scottish, and german mainly Jul 24 21:33:28 where does your name come from? Jul 24 21:33:40 tmzt: me? Jul 24 21:33:44 yeah Jul 24 21:33:52 tmzt: Scotland Jul 24 21:34:01 is where my ancestry is traced back to Jul 24 21:34:09 ah, ok Jul 24 21:34:10 we were kicked out Jul 24 21:34:43 anyone find out what the best compcache settings are yet? Jul 24 21:35:37 snadge: the snakeoil? Jul 24 21:35:43 where do i find this Jul 24 21:35:44 augh Jul 24 21:35:51 when i run lunch htc_dream-eng Jul 24 21:36:05 what files does it scan to find the htc_dream part? I'm trying to make my own product definitions Jul 24 21:36:23 what does that mean? Jul 24 21:38:08 tbo: snake oil? Jul 24 21:38:26 i've heard of the expression before.. just not sure how its relevant to the topic of conversation ;) Jul 24 21:39:37 patent medicine Jul 24 21:39:51 this next part need not make sense to anyone in here.. but i've made myself perfectly clear what i want, and i still dont have it.. so i will continue to be a pain in the ass until somebody does something about it Jul 24 21:40:49 ? Jul 24 21:41:43 Hi, I just compiled the android source, and I'm getting a strange error about not specifying a virtual device name. Does anybody know what's going on here? I've compiled without this problem many times before. Jul 24 21:42:08 YES! Jul 24 21:42:12 Got my own custom product spec working! Jul 24 21:42:13 w0000t Jul 24 21:42:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo18D-qHAYE - Monty Python - The architect sketch Jul 24 21:43:22 mlissner: set ANDROID_PRODUCT_OUT Jul 24 21:43:45 zinx: Is there a reason that this would suddenly need to be set? Jul 24 21:43:50 no Jul 24 21:44:03 you may not have run the same stuff to set up your environment, causing it to not be set this time Jul 24 21:44:49 zinx: is this a variable I would need to set before compiling? Jul 24 21:44:59 no Jul 24 21:45:37 snadge: compcache sounds for me like snake oil, useless software Jul 24 21:45:52 snadge: just like SoftRAM about 14 years ago Jul 24 21:46:02 mlissner: ANDROID_PRODUCT_OUT should be set by lunch or choosecombo, which you definitely should run before compiling. Jul 24 21:46:42 see my gudie here: http://devtcg.blogspot.com/2009/03/building-running-and-debugging-android.html Jul 24 21:46:48 jasta: OK, that makes sense. I have run lunch before, but this time. Jul 24 21:47:27 tbo: im not sure what to make of it.. i mean.. kinda like doublespace/smartdrive fiasco Jul 24 21:47:32 WOOHOO Jul 24 21:47:34 jasta & zinx: So would running lunch fix this for me now? Or do I need to set it manually? Jul 24 21:47:34 snadge: http://www.ddj.com/184409937 Jul 24 21:47:34 custom build building Jul 24 21:47:35 :D Jul 24 21:47:44 mlissner: read my guide. Jul 24 21:47:51 back when hard drives really were that expensive.. it kind of made sense, for about 2 weeks.. until you suffered disk corruption or something Jul 24 21:47:56 why is it building alarmclock? i told it not to :( Jul 24 21:48:16 Yuki: look at LOCAL_MODULE_TAGS in AlarmClock Jul 24 21:48:26 if it specifies eng, and your BUILD_VARIANT is eng, it will build. Jul 24 21:48:32 printconfig will show you your build variant Jul 24 21:48:39 Any way to override that in my product definitions? Jul 24 21:48:39 if you really need to compress your swap.. the question becomes why open up so much crap in the first place? it could be argued its faster to decompress from swap, than it is to load from scratch uncached Jul 24 21:48:55 Yuki: yes, you can make a dummy package which overrides alarm clock, but has no outputs. Jul 24 21:48:59 then it wont get built Jul 24 21:48:59 ugh Jul 24 21:49:05 or, you could just build a user build variant Jul 24 21:49:16 okay, so release will respect what i put in my generic.mk and core.mk ? Jul 24 21:49:19 which wont include any of the eng things from LOCAL_MODULE_TAGS (only the products explicitly set by PRODUCT_PACKAGES will build then) Jul 24 21:49:30 basically, yes. Jul 24 21:49:37 android could maybe benefit from swap compression.. if cpu speed is faster than the latency of the flash memory or whatever Jul 24 21:49:40 excellent Jul 24 21:49:50 target:package alarm clock Jul 24 21:49:50 sigh Jul 24 21:50:02 but you have to weigh that up against other factors such as energy consumption Jul 24 21:50:18 keep in mind that you'll want to rm the apk and other build artifacts so that once you do remov eit, it doesnt go into the system image any damn way Jul 24 21:50:45 the make system picks what to build -- but anything previously built in out/ will still make it into your newly created system.img files. Jul 24 21:50:49 jasta: Ah. Missed that message. Reading it now, very helpful. Jul 24 21:50:57 do we have any android or linux kernel hackers who would care to comment on swap compression? :P Jul 24 21:51:00 what's a safe way to nuke it all? Jul 24 21:51:10 snadge, you mean like compcache or compressing disk swap? Jul 24 21:51:21 i just usually find out -name 'Foo*' and rm them Jul 24 21:51:24 with rm $(!!) :) Jul 24 21:51:27 :) Jul 24 21:51:40 the safe way, however, is make clean Jul 24 21:51:47 that way is also dog slow so i dont do it much Jul 24 21:51:50 well im looking at compcache, but am thinking about compressing swap in general Jul 24 21:52:00 compcache uses compression to achieve it's purpose Jul 24 21:52:04 without compression, it wouldn't work :) Jul 24 21:52:28 i dont really understand the difference at this point.. more talking about the concept than its particular implementation Jul 24 21:52:35 compcache is a compressed ramdisk Jul 24 21:52:42 so it's like taking a 6MB chunk of ram Jul 24 21:52:48 and turning it into 9MB of swap Jul 24 21:52:53 that has about the same speed of ram Jul 24 21:52:54 oh that blows then.. waste of time Jul 24 21:52:57 you loose that 6MB of ram Jul 24 21:53:01 and gain 9MB of ram-speed swap Jul 24 21:53:04 how is that a waste of time? Jul 24 21:53:13 it works pretty damn well :L) Jul 24 21:53:14 :) Jul 24 21:53:19 i was thinking more of compressing swap to flash or disk Jul 24 21:53:29 that seems more practical Jul 24 21:53:30 snadge: flash is really slow by comparison Jul 24 21:53:32 compressing swap on disk is stupid Jul 24 21:53:35 snadge, no, not really Jul 24 21:53:39 * jasta wanders off Jul 24 21:53:43 it's keeping the contents in ram while it's "swapped out" Jul 24 21:53:46 a bigger question is what sort of app footprint do you expect to run Jul 24 21:53:58 i've done kernel compiles on a g1 but it's not exactly fun Jul 24 21:54:00 right.. flash and disk is slow, hence why reading/writing less data to it improves performance Jul 24 21:54:06 right Jul 24 21:54:08 keep your swap in ram Jul 24 21:54:22 basically Jul 24 21:54:23 ram is the same speed regardless.. why waste it Jul 24 21:54:28 .... Jul 24 21:54:31 because you're compressing the data Jul 24 21:54:32 it's not a waste Jul 24 21:54:34 so you effectivly have more "ram" Jul 24 21:54:38 say Jul 24 21:54:39 you get to pack more in Jul 24 21:54:41 you have 192MB ram now Jul 24 21:54:45 add compcache Jul 24 21:54:52 you have 172 + 48 Jul 24 21:54:54 or whatever Jul 24 21:55:12 can both approaches be empirically tested though? Jul 24 21:55:14 or even combined Jul 24 21:55:15 the g1 is basically memory bandwidth limited Jul 24 21:55:16 they have been Jul 24 21:55:23 use a compcache rom vs a non compcache rom Jul 24 21:55:25 and tell me :) Jul 24 21:55:33 look at the compressed stat numbers Jul 24 21:55:34 ram usage Jul 24 21:55:34 etc Jul 24 21:55:40 i use JFs latest 1.5 rom :P Jul 24 21:55:51 go branch out into more experimental stuff :P Jul 24 21:55:57 wonder if donut is compilable yet. :X Jul 24 21:57:35 man.. i gotta make some time to contribute to android wishlist an/or bugs.. Jul 24 21:57:36 last I tried (earlier this week) donut and master compiled fine, both for emulator and dream. Jul 24 21:57:47 no dont wander off jasta .. you can contribute heaps to the discussion im sure ;) Jul 24 21:57:55 Hm Jul 24 21:58:06 Now off to read and figure out how to tell it i want donut instead of cupcake Jul 24 21:58:22 right now, i'd prefer chips cheese & gravy Jul 24 21:58:27 why would you want Donut since you want to remove Dalvik anyway? :) Jul 24 21:58:37 romainguy__, to play around? :) Jul 24 21:58:38 like busy biz owner like me swamped on phone and having to long press and or tap 2-3x even from contacts list just to call their default number.. grrr.. Jul 24 21:58:56 you can try "repo init -b donut ; repo sync". I recommend making that in a separate copy in case something goes wrong. Or if you have enough bandwidth, just create a new client from scratch. Jul 24 21:59:17 as much as i love android/g1.. itsa phone dammit itsa phone peep'holes.. Jul 24 21:59:23 so just copy the mydroid directory to mydonut and run what you said Jul 24 21:59:25 sounds easy enough Jul 24 21:59:51 yeah, that should work fine. (famous last words) Jul 24 21:59:56 haha Jul 24 22:00:06 do you guys have actual changelogs or is it "read the source comments" :) Jul 24 22:00:14 as much as i'd love to throw a donut on my g1.. its been working beautifully ever since i flashed JF's latest release on it.. i actually use it as phone, amazingly enough Jul 24 22:00:23 and when inside a thread in messaging.. pushing 'back' key shouldnt dump one all way to home.. thats wtf! home key is for no?.. grr Jul 24 22:00:39 rather than a beta testing crash device ;) Jul 24 22:00:40 We have changelogs as much as possible (starting mid-March, except for special cases) Jul 24 22:00:47 excellent Jul 24 22:00:49 vs having to raise then choose 'all threads' grr Jul 24 22:01:02 snadge, psh. i have three phones sitting around me plus all the dumb phones i have. i'm good. :) Jul 24 22:01:20 i suppose i could buy another g1.. you are brilliant yuki Jul 24 22:01:28 never thought of that ;) Jul 24 22:01:29 i didn't say I had 3 G1s :P Jul 24 22:01:42 one g1 deserves another ;) Jul 24 22:01:46 one's a herald :( Jul 24 22:01:47 *sniffle* Jul 24 22:03:45 What is the website where JesusFreak posts firmwares? I need to download the 1.51 firmware manually Jul 24 22:04:11 matsuo: jf.andblogs.net is his blog. think there are links there Jul 24 22:04:27 Qwell: Cool, thankyou! Jul 24 22:04:35 (man that second sentence is hard to say out loud) Jul 24 22:04:37 next quest: figure out how to do so-called 'verbose boot' :) Jul 24 22:07:35 anyone here on cm 3.9? Jul 24 22:07:41 i am Jul 24 22:07:59 quick question Jul 24 22:08:04 go for it Jul 24 22:08:04 is it worth the upgrade from 3.6.8.1? Jul 24 22:08:13 is anything worth the upgrade? :) Jul 24 22:08:19 haha well, is it stable? Jul 24 22:08:22 i don't question if it's worth it Jul 24 22:08:24 i just do it Jul 24 22:08:27 is it stable Jul 24 22:08:31 i've flashed every single latest image that cyano has put out Jul 24 22:08:36 well, it hasn't died on me Jul 24 22:08:38 so i guess that's a good thing Jul 24 22:08:39 * ctate runs straight builds only SO THERE Jul 24 22:08:43 lol Jul 24 22:08:44 :) Jul 24 22:08:49 Why do I have to do the radio update? Jul 24 22:08:53 shush googboy :) Jul 24 22:08:59 matsuo, the 1.5 ril library wants it Jul 24 22:09:01 i'm finally gonna wipe.... Jul 24 22:09:04 and fix my caller ID Jul 24 22:09:05 blame the updated proprietary library Jul 24 22:09:06 :D Jul 24 22:09:08 BECAUSE GOOGLE FAILS AND CANT FIX IT Jul 24 22:09:12 matsuo: the radio and Android builds are tightly coupled Jul 24 22:09:25 HTC owns the radio code; Google does not have its source Jul 24 22:09:41 so when they need to change its behavior and interfaces, the Android side needs to change to match Jul 24 22:10:06 k, time to clean-room the ril library Jul 24 22:10:06 :/ Jul 24 22:10:22 the RIL isn't the problem; that's on the Android side Jul 24 22:10:31 the closed source htc ril library? Jul 24 22:10:32 :) Jul 24 22:10:32 or rather, it's only a little piece of it Jul 24 22:10:40 what you really want is an OSS radio Jul 24 22:10:44 true Jul 24 22:10:53 won't happen easily though Jul 24 22:10:53 which would rock, but omg good effin luck Jul 24 22:10:59 i don't think even openmoko has an oss radio Jul 24 22:11:06 yeah Jul 24 22:11:18 for all we know their libril is just a thin pipe - it just allows the stable interface to be within one CPU instead of being between the two CPUs, it's easier that way. Jul 24 22:11:22 now, if google could negotiate something... :) Jul 24 22:11:24 qualcomm etc are VERY tight about who it lets have details about the radios Jul 24 22:11:45 Yuki: like i said, Google doesn't even have the radio-side sources Jul 24 22:11:54 HTC just says "here's a new binary" and we say "okay, thanks" Jul 24 22:11:55 i mean negotiate a chipset for us Jul 24 22:11:56 heh Jul 24 22:12:20 in general, only OEMs get to see the radio code. Jul 24 22:12:31 actually, most of the time we say "uh, it doesn't work" Jul 24 22:12:43 jbq: i was trying to ignore that aspect of things Jul 24 22:12:47 haha Jul 24 22:12:58 ctate: be glad you don't get to see the radio code. Jul 24 22:13:00 the difference between theory and practice... Jul 24 22:13:03 yea, a clean-room would be nice... Jul 24 22:13:12 be ignorant of how hairy that type of code is Jul 24 22:13:37 * zinx seeks knowledge, no matter how difficult it may be to know Jul 24 22:14:16 * jbq seeks results... like merging donut into master... Jul 24 22:14:23 heh Jul 24 22:14:30 jbq: good luck! Jul 24 22:14:32 note that the radio image is 20 MB Jul 24 22:14:32 What's looking good and new in donut anyway? Jul 24 22:14:45 ctate, that statement scares me Jul 24 22:14:56 #include Jul 24 22:15:00 that's telling me it's ALL software code and all VFOs Jul 24 22:15:01 right right Jul 24 22:15:08 so where's the unofficial changelog hide Jul 24 22:15:20 Yuki: I'm not sure what state donut was in when we did a push mid-may, but I know that master is missing 1 month of changes that are currently available in donut. Jul 24 22:15:22 i could tell you, but then i'd have to kill you. Jul 24 22:15:27 git log.. oh, wait, that doesn't work :x Jul 24 22:15:33 zinx: yet Jul 24 22:15:37 haha Jul 24 22:15:42 it works, but external is out of date Jul 24 22:15:45 ==jbq Jul 24 22:15:48 git diff! :P Jul 24 22:16:02 seriously, we're preserving history as much as possible Jul 24 22:16:02 Correct process for rooting a new G1 to JF1.51 is downgrade to R29, the upgrade to JF1.51, then radio update, right? Jul 24 22:16:07 so that looking at hte log is actually useful Jul 24 22:16:15 matsuo, radio first Jul 24 22:16:19 so that 1.51 dosn't hate you Jul 24 22:16:20 :) Jul 24 22:17:00 A friend of mine has 1.51 but never did the radio update.. why's that work? Jul 24 22:17:26 well Jul 24 22:17:31 perhaps his unit shipped with cupcake? Jul 24 22:17:35 if you shipped with cupcake, you have the update Jul 24 22:17:36 ;) Jul 24 22:17:42 check your radio version in the info Jul 24 22:17:50 Nope, it shipped with either RC 30 or RC33 Jul 24 22:18:03 it may only mostly work Jul 24 22:18:10 i'm not saying it won't work, but it might trip up or the radio might crash and reset very so often Jul 24 22:18:11 or it may be a little more crashy Jul 24 22:18:12 etc Jul 24 22:18:18 Yeah, I'd bet camera will have issues. Jul 24 22:18:18 some of hte failure modes are subtle Jul 24 22:18:22 Ahh, ok.. Jul 24 22:18:36 why does radio firmware control camera? ! Jul 24 22:18:37 it's the "radio" code but it manages much more than just the cell network Jul 24 22:18:42 jesus Jul 24 22:18:45 the "radio" image also contains the code for the DSPs, including the "application" DSP. Jul 24 22:18:46 it's really the whole master-cpu code Jul 24 22:18:50 http://www.htc.com/www/support/android/adp.html#s3 Jul 24 22:19:01 I want ota-radio 2_22_19... right? Jul 24 22:19:03 it's the thing that actually controls the battery, all of the various radios including gps, etc. Jul 24 22:19:19 the Android cpu is just along for the ride; the radio cpu runs the phone. Jul 24 22:19:40 (this is true on basically all phones, btw) Jul 24 22:20:20 sigh Jul 24 22:21:58 ccache is needed Jul 24 22:22:01 damn my 1.7ghz Jul 24 22:22:39 We'd (very) gladly accept any solid contribution that makes the build faster. Jul 24 22:22:53 jbq: code or hardware? Jul 24 22:22:58 code Jul 24 22:23:03 revamping the build system for them. ;) Jul 24 22:23:07 have fun ;p Jul 24 22:23:20 jbq, just ship a copy of ccache in the tree Jul 24 22:23:26 first build = OMFG second build = okay, not bad Jul 24 22:25:08 ohhhh Jul 24 22:25:08 nice storm Jul 24 22:26:48 hm Jul 24 22:26:58 hello? Jul 24 22:27:34 damn.. busiest lot of calls this afternoon in some time.. starting to feel like a pbx operator Jul 24 22:29:36 jeeze Jul 24 22:29:39 still building Jul 24 22:29:40 :( Jul 24 22:30:11 also to g1/android cupcake developers kudos.. seems at least they fixed that old bugga when hiliting and long pressing contact in call logs.. i used to be forced to doit 2x to be offered the 'view contact'... they did strait away with that little gem Jul 24 22:30:18 woah Jul 24 22:30:21 holy crap Jul 24 22:30:27 amazingly fast rain start Jul 24 22:32:39 here in toronto we had a huge downpour for about 10 minutes Jul 24 22:34:24 what's the e codename, eh? Jul 24 22:34:35 cupcake donut then .. e? Jul 24 22:35:35 eclair, I think? Jul 24 22:35:43 nick guy Jul 24 22:36:08 heh Jul 24 22:36:31 "A pioneer of gay black fiction" Jul 24 22:36:40 interesting things to hear on the news Jul 24 22:36:55 Which Qualcomm chipset is on the HTC Dream? Jul 24 22:37:06 7201A Jul 24 22:37:32 MSM7201 ? Jul 24 22:37:43 MSM7201a Jul 24 22:39:49 I wonder who will push a snapdragon android device... Jul 24 22:40:16 because the world really needs a gigahertz smartphone? ;) Jul 24 22:40:25 heck yes Jul 24 22:40:39 Bigger, stronger, faster. Jul 24 22:41:02 ctate: quad core 64-bit 3GHz + SLI'd nVidia cards! Jul 24 22:41:18 lulz, for your home machine? Jul 24 22:41:28 MianoSM: for my next smartphone Jul 24 22:41:29 bwahaha SLI cellphones Jul 24 22:41:33 make that dual-quad-core-hyperthreaded, please. Jul 24 22:41:35 ctate: not sure it has to be clocked that high, the ati could be more important anyway if any android version comes with libhgl for it of course Jul 24 22:41:46 you put them side by side and it spreads the UI across both Jul 24 22:42:09 * wlfshmn senses a return to briefcase mobilephones Jul 24 22:42:34 implants Jul 24 22:43:01 ofcourse, now it comes in burberry and D&C models, and has room for your chiwawa Jul 24 22:43:55 getting error trying to build source: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lz. Any ideas? Jul 24 22:46:05 Does anybody know about the p4 edit command? I'm not finding it... Jul 24 22:46:17 what about it? Jul 24 22:46:55 ignore documentation that tells you to use the p4 command :x Jul 24 22:49:07 lol Jul 24 22:49:13 fk Jul 24 22:49:15 build faster Jul 24 22:49:16 :( Jul 24 22:51:59 frameworks/policies/base/PolicyConfig.mk:22: *** No module defined for the given PRODUCT_POLICY (android.policy_phone). Stop. Jul 24 22:52:33 ha ha what still talks about p4 edit? Jul 24 22:53:03 Yuki: damn, you're hitting that too? someone else reported it and I haven't been able to reproduce :( Jul 24 22:53:10 i just sync'd donut Jul 24 22:53:20 repo init -b donut ; repo sync Jul 24 22:53:21 then make Jul 24 22:53:25 right off the bat Jul 24 22:53:32 make clean ; make Jul 24 22:53:33 reproduced Jul 24 22:53:35 zinx: Sorry for the no response, was watching for my name to come up. An error from make says to do p4 edit frameworks/base/api/current.xml; make update-api Jul 24 22:53:40 try rm -rf out Jul 24 22:53:44 Yuki: what product did you 'lunch' to? Jul 24 22:53:48 i didn't Jul 24 22:54:02 okay, i think the default is generic-eng Jul 24 22:54:03 that's the same way I built my regular cupcake generic source the first time Jul 24 22:54:06 mlissner: I think we have that fixed in newer variants. Jul 24 22:54:10 i didn't do envsetup.sh either Jul 24 22:54:20 i did the exact same things I did to build my first cupcake image. ;) Jul 24 22:54:22 mlissner: wtf; i thought a fix for that message was submitted ages ago Jul 24 22:54:22 just in the donut dir Jul 24 22:54:27 jbq: In other words repo sync should fix it? Jul 24 22:54:35 mlissner: in the git world, all you need to do is make update-api Jul 24 22:54:41 the build system changed a fair bit between cupcake and donut. Jul 24 22:54:52 so . build/envsetup.sh might now be required. Jul 24 22:54:54 jbq: I have donut though. Jul 24 22:54:59 mlissner: it's telling you that you have added new public methods to the framework API. is that really what you want? :) Jul 24 22:55:04 jbq, didn't help, same result. Jul 24 22:55:04 I think the update was done in master. Jul 24 22:55:11 jbq: but I should add that I did indeed change the API. Jul 24 22:55:13 jbq: aha Jul 24 22:55:22 printconfig shows generic, eng, release, arm, x86, linux, arm Jul 24 22:55:24 standard setup Jul 24 22:55:28 Yuki: OK, lemme try on my machine. Jul 24 22:55:50 i demand a fix google-slave Jul 24 22:55:51 >:3 Jul 24 22:56:08 hold on Jul 24 22:56:10 i have a quick idea Jul 24 22:56:14 ctate: So yeah, I do want to add public methods to the framework API. Jul 24 22:56:15 don't mess with jbq Jul 24 22:56:24 mlissner: okay. then what you want is make update-api Jul 24 22:56:34 okay, USE_CCACHE env var has no effect on this error Jul 24 22:56:37 ctate: OK, trying that out, thanks all. Jul 24 22:56:38 all right, doing clean repo sync of donut from scratch. Jul 24 22:56:46 that changes current.xml -- which is the description of the build's public API -- to include your stuff Jul 24 22:57:00 jbq, if it dosn't happen to you, then it's because of upgrading from a cupcake branch Jul 24 22:57:10 which sucks, but guess i gotta suck it up :) Jul 24 22:57:19 Well, I can try that too, that's easy to test. Jul 24 22:58:13 my friend just asked me what i was doing, and i replied "i'm balls deep in some android" ... probably not the best way to phrase that Jul 24 22:58:46 j #ffmpeg Jul 24 22:58:57 http://xkcd.com/600/ Jul 24 22:59:11 ok, clean donut synced, trying... Jul 24 22:59:30 jbq, jesus, that was fast. local network to the master server? :) Jul 24 22:59:42 no, syncing from kernel.org Jul 24 22:59:58 ah, haha Jul 24 23:00:03 and it seems to build fine. Jul 24 23:00:11 ok, lemme start from a cupcake one. Jul 24 23:00:40 i built cupcake first, though, so that might be another factor Jul 24 23:00:53 i had one successful cupcake build, cp'd the dir, then upgraded to donut, then tried to make Jul 24 23:01:23 Yeah, the part that'll be hard to reproduce might be stuff left behind in your environment. Jul 24 23:01:46 well, it wasn't just cruft Jul 24 23:01:53 i mean, i added nothing Jul 24 23:02:03 basically made the repo dir, init'd it Jul 24 23:02:04 sync'd Jul 24 23:02:06 did a make Jul 24 23:02:10 ran it in the emulator Jul 24 23:02:15 then did what you said to upgrade it to donut Jul 24 23:02:36 so it's a lengthy process, but i didn't do any modifications of source code or anything like that Jul 24 23:02:59 ok, worst case I can do a quick cupcake build and go from there, just in case it makes a difference. Jul 24 23:03:14 i'm sure you're on something better then a 1.7ghz pentium m Jul 24 23:03:16 heh Jul 24 23:03:22 Eight inches ... Nine, and still growing. His erection was now Jul 24 23:03:25 half as thick as his own wrist as -with a grunt of sexual ecstasy- he Jul 24 23:03:27 began to spurt enormous quantities of cum into Christa's throat. Jul 24 23:03:30 Greedily, she slurped and sucked on him as the tingle began to fade. Drop Jul 24 23:03:32 by drop, she tried to stem the stream, but enormous quantities spilled out Jul 24 23:03:35 from around her mouth. Nearly a minute passed, as Curt reached and Jul 24 23:03:37 exceeded ten inches. Still sucking down as much of his cum as she could, Jul 24 23:03:40 Christa squeezed his balls tightly, as if wringing every drop out of him. Jul 24 23:03:42 Spurting over her lips, face and hair, Curt's orgasm gradually subsided, Jul 24 23:03:44 but ... steps to reproduce on my end were :repo init ; repo sync ; make ; ; repo init -b donut ; repo sync ; make Jul 24 23:03:45 leaving him still shaking with pleasure. Jul 24 23:03:47 Gasping for air, Christa wiped her mouth on the back of her hand Jul 24 23:03:50 and looked at Curt, stunned. "That's ... that's some experiment!" she Jul 24 23:03:53 gasped. Jul 24 23:03:55 Curt looked at his erection, amazed. "I thought it had stopped Jul 24 23:03:58 earlier... My God, I'm huge!" Tentatively, he touched his engorged tip Jul 24 23:04:00 and patted it with his finger tips. It bobbed slightly as he stood up. Jul 24 23:04:03 Picking up a tape measure from the hall desk, Christa quickly came Jul 24 23:04:05 over to Curt and measured him. She let out a low whistle of appreciation Jul 24 23:04:08 at his new length as she wrapped the tape measure around his shaft. She Jul 24 23:04:10 what the fuck Jul 24 23:04:10 looked up at him... "Curt, you've grown to eleven inches long and Jul 24 23:04:13 five-and-a-half inches around." She did some quick mental math. "Jesus, Jul 24 23:04:14 for crying out loud Jul 24 23:04:15 Curt. You're almost two inches thick! What was in that stuff you Jul 24 23:04:34 just the right flow to not max sendq either Jul 24 23:04:35 cute Jul 24 23:04:36 asshat. Jul 24 23:04:38 no finish? Jul 24 23:04:42 someone doesnt like meeee :( Jul 24 23:04:49 jbq : but ... steps to reproduce on my end were :repo init ; repo sync ; make ; ; repo init -b donut ; repo sync ; make Jul 24 23:05:18 so at least I have a clean test case. :) Jul 24 23:05:19 oh whoa, you did a repo init -b donut on top of the previous one without blowing it away? Jul 24 23:05:28 brave man Jul 24 23:05:29 ctate, jbq said it'd work. :) Jul 24 23:05:42 my skepticism is palpable. Jul 24 23:05:45 ;) Jul 24 23:05:45 aha, it looks like the repo init itself causes some manifest problems. lemme see what comes out of it. Jul 24 23:06:29 won't stick but for now Jul 24 23:06:46 JesusFreke: are you around? Jul 24 23:06:46 * ctate isn't paying a ton of attention tot he channel Jul 24 23:07:08 Hmmm, I'm still not seeing the issue (in spite of the borked repo init) Jul 24 23:07:46 did you do the cupcake build or is that next runthrough? :) Jul 24 23:08:20 I didn't do it yet. That's the next step. Jul 24 23:08:32 that's probably it, then, leftover build cruft Jul 24 23:08:46 who here is on cm3.9? Jul 24 23:08:53 TommyBres, me again. :) Jul 24 23:09:07 you can't see copy protected apps... Jul 24 23:09:10 Aww bloody hell. Jul 24 23:09:11 isn't that a problem? Jul 24 23:09:12 I can't? Jul 24 23:09:18 wait, are you not in the US? Jul 24 23:09:23 If you care: its out: ATI Catalystâ„¢ 9.7 Proprietary Linux x86 Display Driver Jul 24 23:09:23 if so that doesnt help me much lol Jul 24 23:09:23 I am in the US Jul 24 23:09:27 oh ok Jul 24 23:09:42 downloading now to test with my hd 4890 Jul 24 23:09:46 well i have a TON of apps that have the default gear icon because they're on the SD card and were transferred over, but it wont recognize them because theyre protected Jul 24 23:10:00 did you wipe or upgrade? Jul 24 23:10:09 if you wiped, then you have to reinstall them all anyway Jul 24 23:10:20 i did wipe Jul 24 23:10:25 but all of the apps are on my SD card Jul 24 23:10:28 right Jul 24 23:10:30 you have to reinstall anyway Jul 24 23:10:34 for perms, market app tracking, etc Jul 24 23:10:35 regardless though, i can't find things like nesoid, snesoid, gensoid in market Jul 24 23:10:50 reinstall them from the market Jul 24 23:10:54 Yuki: not true, it shows "installed" in market for my apps Jul 24 23:11:03 oh? Weird. Jul 24 23:11:07 * TommyBres shrugs Jul 24 23:11:10 I just launched and am running a protected purchased app Jul 24 23:11:15 and it let me update nesoid, and verified my credit card Jul 24 23:11:18 yet i can't find it when i search for it Jul 24 23:11:30 instead of US Marines blah blah it shows up as com.rcreations... Jul 24 23:11:35 but it still runs and works Jul 24 23:11:39 yeah did the same for me Jul 24 23:11:41 i don't know what's going on, but w/e Jul 24 23:11:44 and has the default icon, seriously lame Jul 24 23:11:46 it dosn't bother me Jul 24 23:11:54 well i have like 12 apps like that Jul 24 23:11:58 TommyBres, i've had this issue for a whlie Jul 24 23:11:59 while Jul 24 23:12:03 even on free apps, etc Jul 24 23:12:10 well i don't like to sit on issues, i want them fixed >.< Jul 24 23:12:20 cyanogen, you have a customer complaint here. ;) Jul 24 23:12:23 i just pushed /system/build.prop from the standard htc 1.5 build Jul 24 23:12:33 and cleared google apps data, and signed into market again Jul 24 23:12:40 and yet it still doesnt want to show me copy protected apps Jul 24 23:12:55 it shows them Jul 24 23:12:59 just not reading icon etc Jul 24 23:13:02 all right, clean cupcake sync, envsetup, lunch, make... and gotta wait. Jul 24 23:13:07 bug cyanogen about it, he's up there :P Jul 24 23:13:16 (about 20 minutes) Jul 24 23:13:18 hehe Jul 24 23:13:18 jbq, bah, i didn't do envsetup or lunch. ;) ah well Jul 24 23:13:23 20 minutes Jul 24 23:13:24 psh Jul 24 23:13:29 i'm like, 2-3 hours in Jul 24 23:13:37 haha its not really cyanogen's "problem", it's an ADP build so technically it's supposed to be copy protected Jul 24 23:13:45 i'm just curious as to why this trick that worked before won't work now Jul 24 23:13:47 ... what? Jul 24 23:13:50 no Jul 24 23:13:51 the apps work Jul 24 23:13:52 install Jul 24 23:13:54 and function Jul 24 23:13:58 it's just not displaying name or icon Jul 24 23:13:59 that's it Jul 24 23:14:07 ...you Jul 24 23:14:11 can not see Jul 24 23:14:12 copy protected apps Jul 24 23:14:17 I CAN! Jul 24 23:14:24 I can see them, browse to them, and launch them Jul 24 23:14:24 search for guitar hero on market, what do you see Jul 24 23:14:44 lol just search for guitar hero on market Jul 24 23:14:53 waiting Jul 24 23:14:54 lol edge Jul 24 23:14:59 GUITAR HERO WORLD TOUR DEMO Jul 24 23:15:02 DEMO Jul 24 23:15:02 GUITAR HERO WORLD TOUR Jul 24 23:15:05 wtf. Jul 24 23:15:10 my market is broken? Jul 24 23:15:15 it shows me demo, not the full one Jul 24 23:15:25 can someone link me to a list of android OS updates? I'm having trouble finding one Jul 24 23:15:30 as an ATVI stockholder, I approve of guitar hero android Jul 24 23:15:30 wipe, flash, and make sure you CLEAR YOUR 2ND SDCARD PARTITION FIRST :( Jul 24 23:15:35 hahaha Jul 24 23:15:39 guitar heroid Jul 24 23:16:00 * ewon has guitar hero ds somewhere Jul 24 23:16:03 why would i ever clear all of my apps out Jul 24 23:16:06 that's an awful idea Jul 24 23:16:19 ewon: a friend of mine works for Harmonix :) Jul 24 23:16:29 <_Auron_> what is the absolute difference between pressing home and pressing back to leave the app? what changes are made and what aren't? Jul 24 23:16:49 'Back' finishes the activity Jul 24 23:16:52 <_Auron_> I'm trying to track down this bug where either the texture gets broken when I press home and go back to the app, or it locks up and doesn't go fullscreen Jul 24 23:16:55 'Home' just brings the Home app to the front. Jul 24 23:17:16 _Auron_, potentially getting gc'd ? Jul 24 23:17:29 in both cases the activity will get paused/stopped Jul 24 23:17:41 but only in the 'Back' case will it get finished / destroyed -- it's still running if you just go Home Jul 24 23:18:04 why is this fucking phone nothing but problems... Jul 24 23:18:07 <_Auron_> I've used back and it didn't get destroyed, I was even able to run the app from its exact previous state Jul 24 23:18:22 _Auron_, i've got a gbc emulator that was released awhlie ago that crashes when you use home, but not back *shrug* Jul 24 23:18:30 <_Auron_> home however the app freaks out when I return, either locks up or the texture is screwed up Jul 24 23:18:33 I have no source, so I was not interested in debugging Jul 24 23:18:35 oh, also Jul 24 23:18:42 oops. :) Jul 24 23:19:17 _Auron_, but potentially it's gc'ing the texture? Jul 24 23:19:24 bah Jul 24 23:19:28 it said I had 43 memos Jul 24 23:19:29 :/ Jul 24 23:19:37 <_Auron_> even if it were, I load the texture when the surface is created Jul 24 23:19:41 hrm Jul 24 23:19:42 _Auron_: you're not shutting down your state properly when you're stopped and restarted Jul 24 23:20:18 at least, you should log all of the lifecycle method calls and look carefully at the ordering, which ones happen in which cases, etc. Jul 24 23:20:19 augh Jul 24 23:20:20 <_Auron_> ctate: well I fixated back so it doesn't leave the app now, but I'm still having an issue with home Jul 24 23:20:21 still building Jul 24 23:20:43 you can't prevent home from leaving the app, FYI Jul 24 23:20:48 so you need to fix your logic :) Jul 24 23:21:06 <_Auron_> I don't want it to not leave the app Jul 24 23:21:46 The only case where you can do that is if your app is the Home screen itself. Jul 24 23:21:50 <_Auron_> *everything* else works fine. if the texturing is messed up, everything else is completely fine. just the texture. but sometimes it locks up Jul 24 23:22:05 that really sounds like you're mishandling the surface in some cases Jul 24 23:22:18 <_Auron_> I don't see how that's possible Jul 24 23:24:33 hello Jul 24 23:25:23 *shifty eyes* I'd say hello but i don't want to be asked a question Jul 24 23:25:23 * TommyBres does a cartwheel Jul 24 23:25:25 so, what's up? :) Jul 24 23:25:46 LOL Jul 24 23:26:35 sigh Jul 24 23:26:36 the sky! Jul 24 23:26:39 this build speed is depresing Jul 24 23:26:43 ctate works outside Jul 24 23:26:46 <_Auron_> it doesn't help that nowhere does google document how to handle glsurfaceview properly Jul 24 23:26:54 <_Auron_> only bits and pieces to guess Jul 24 23:27:00 oh well, hopefully it takes less time then OO.org Jul 24 23:27:00 Yuki: on my 2x dual Mac Pro, a full build takes 30-40 mins. Jul 24 23:27:06 *cries* Jul 24 23:27:13 but it's a mac.... Jul 24 23:27:15 *laffs* Jul 24 23:27:27 running linux on the same hardware takes 25 -30 mins iirc Jul 24 23:27:30 http://www.kandroid.org/android_pdk/build_new_device.html <-- that's what I want. :D Jul 24 23:27:33 erw Jul 24 23:27:34 wanted to do Jul 24 23:27:35 the Mac's file system is really slow, mostly Jul 24 23:27:37 that's exactly what i needed Jul 24 23:27:44 kandroid.org is nice and full of dox Jul 24 23:27:51 ctate, can you change the filesystem or do they lock you to whatever they use? Jul 24 23:27:52 <[OpenSys]> any one have the htc sync working in htc magic ? Jul 24 23:28:00 Yuki: i TOLD you that defining a custom product was the right thing to do :) Jul 24 23:28:06 ctate, I did define a custom product Jul 24 23:28:15 .... by copying the HTC directory and hacking at files. :) Jul 24 23:28:18 KNY: 3rd party filesystems are dodgy under OSX Jul 24 23:28:30 they can use UFS, HFS, and other stuff if you get modules made Jul 24 23:28:32 okay wow Jul 24 23:28:34 i give up on android Jul 24 23:28:36 ctate, that's pretty weak. Jul 24 23:28:38 KNY, the kernel is open source, so go ahead. :) Jul 24 23:28:44 KNY: blame Steve Jul 24 23:28:49 before it showed me the guitar hero demo, now a search for "guitar hero" shows nothing but chordtronic Jul 24 23:28:50 ctate, blame lazy developers Jul 24 23:28:51 :) Jul 24 23:28:52 ctate, I blame him for a lot of things. Jul 24 23:28:54 why... in the fuck... Jul 24 23:28:56 KNY: word Jul 24 23:29:16 TommyBres: what did you change? Jul 24 23:29:16 TommyBres, wipe, DO NOT FORGET TO RM -RF ./* ON YOUR SDCARD'S EXT2 PARTITION, then try. :P Jul 24 23:29:23 ....no? Jul 24 23:29:33 i'm betting it's the contents of that ext2 partition Jul 24 23:29:33 well Jul 24 23:29:35 then Jul 24 23:29:37 ctate: i pushed the build.prop from JF1.51 Jul 24 23:29:43 cd /system/sd Jul 24 23:29:51 i just can't fathom why this would happen Jul 24 23:29:58 mkdir blah ; mv * ./blah/ ; Jul 24 23:29:59 then do it Jul 24 23:30:02 on cyrket, it shows guitar hero world tour, guitar hero world tour demo, and chordtronic Jul 24 23:30:10 ctate: what sort of stuff do you work on btw? Jul 24 23:30:12 just curious Jul 24 23:30:15 TommyBres, i'm really banking on leftover cruft on that 2nd partition Jul 24 23:30:18 jasta: core framework stuff Jul 24 23:30:20 first time searching it showed just guitar hero world tour demo, no chordtronic, no world tour Jul 24 23:30:27 now it shows just chordtronic, no demo, no world tour Jul 24 23:30:35 ctate: any area in particular? Jul 24 23:30:48 all kinds of stuff under frameworks/base Jul 24 23:30:55 <_Auron_> I'm never going to fix this! Jul 24 23:31:01 hmm, ok Jul 24 23:31:04 _Auron_, never is a long time Jul 24 23:31:04 including stuff i am not going to talk about publicly yet :) Jul 24 23:31:07 WOW now it works, phew Jul 24 23:31:10 TommyBres, seriously, start with a clean slate. hell, take out your sdcard, do a wipe, then try Jul 24 23:31:11 :P Jul 24 23:31:15 Yuki: it shows all of them now Jul 24 23:31:20 what'd you change? Jul 24 23:31:22 i did nothing but wait another 30 seconds, pondering Jul 24 23:31:25 and then search again Jul 24 23:31:26 lol Jul 24 23:31:30 slow data is slow Jul 24 23:31:33 but still Jul 24 23:31:34 so even though i cleared data for google apps Jul 24 23:31:34 ctate, so when are we getting the next donut drop? ;) Jul 24 23:31:39 that doesnt mean clearing market cache Jul 24 23:31:40 ask jbq :) Jul 24 23:31:48 TommyBres: showing 1-10 of about 1-10000000000000000000000000000000000000000003429 Jul 24 23:31:50 naughty you for not erasing the sdcard's 2nd partition Jul 24 23:31:53 although the real answer is probably Jul 24 23:31:58 as soon as I can possibly get approval to do it. Jul 24 23:32:01 #include Jul 24 23:32:05 lol zinx for what? Jul 24 23:32:14 TommyBres: market results! Jul 24 23:32:17 Yuki: in the end it saved a lot of time Jul 24 23:32:22 zinx: for guitar hero? there are 3 lol Jul 24 23:32:35 no confirmation that Click exists or runs android on linux kernel yet? Jul 24 23:32:37 TommyBres: that's somewhere between 1 and 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000003429 Jul 24 23:32:44 k Jul 24 23:32:50 TommyBres, i suppose, but i'd still wipe everything if i wipe'd the phone Jul 24 23:33:06 well, the only thing that partition has on it is apps... that i'm just going to put back there anyways Jul 24 23:33:12 TommyBres: sorry, market search seems really bad/inaccurate to me ;) Jul 24 23:33:19 and now market is authorizing my credit card for a year and a day Jul 24 23:33:30 ok, got a cupcake build, gonna try to turn that tree into a donut one. Jul 24 23:33:32 zinx: yeah, ironic that something made by google has such a poor search, but it's true Jul 24 23:33:38 lol Jul 24 23:33:44 i never thought of it like that Jul 24 23:33:53 TommyBres, yeah, they're "working on it" Jul 24 23:33:59 lol Jul 24 23:33:59 TommyBres, so we'll see a fix in 9 months Jul 24 23:34:11 as of right now it's okay, i'll be honest, since 1.5 i haven't had many issues with market Jul 24 23:34:18 could be greatly improved, but it's usable atm Jul 24 23:34:21 yeah, it's gotten better, but still crap Jul 24 23:34:26 i only have issues w/ it not returning results that it should return Jul 24 23:34:30 so much whining on this channel :) Jul 24 23:34:33 for partial words, etc Jul 24 23:34:42 romainguy_, welcome to the Internet--I see that you must be new here ;-) Jul 24 23:34:50 haha romainguy_ for once it was me saying its not that bad >.< Jul 24 23:34:55 I should start whining about your apps :P Jul 24 23:34:58 oh, and the occasional non-starting download Jul 24 23:35:00 comparing it to the competition atleast its going somewhere Jul 24 23:35:03 i whine about their apps all the time Jul 24 23:35:05 romainguy_: please do Jul 24 23:35:14 romainguy_, oh believe me, I whine about my apps enough for the both of us :) Jul 24 23:35:16 zinx: I'm too busy actually :p Jul 24 23:35:18 hahaha Jul 24 23:35:23 * zinx likes to know when his stuff's broken Jul 24 23:35:23 <_Auron_> and the weird thing? when coming back after leaving from pressing Home, it'll eventually Force Close/Wait if it freezes, then when I tell it to force close it runs Jul 24 23:35:25 <_Auron_> any ideas there? Jul 24 23:35:27 you know, fixing bugs and adding features Lo Jul 24 23:35:27 KNY: :) Jul 24 23:35:29 KNY: i hate to say this but your app is still a lot better than Google Voice Jul 24 23:35:46 _Auron_: like i said, it *really* sounds like you're mishandling your surface somewhere Jul 24 23:35:47 TommyBres, haha, it'll hopefully be better as soon as I can get this damn MASF stuff working Jul 24 23:35:53 when i made 1 call with google voice, and it added a contact to my contacts list... Jul 24 23:35:59 i was just like... what was the point of that again? Jul 24 23:36:05 <_Auron_> ctate: in what possible way? Jul 24 23:36:11 the entire point of having an app is so it DOESN'T double your contacts list Jul 24 23:36:16 and i was serious about putting a log in every one of the lifecycle callbacks to see what particular sequence is happening when stuff crashes Jul 24 23:36:22 TommyBres, haha yeah, I had that happen too Jul 24 23:36:30 * TommyBres facepalm Jul 24 23:36:35 unfortunately i'm not personally familiar with that end of the graphics stuff to be able to tell you WHAT you're doing wrong :( Jul 24 23:36:36 <_Auron_> okay, I'll trace it then Jul 24 23:36:56 <_Auron_> ctate: yeah, makes openGL dev hard when there's a bug :| not many people (if any) experienced Jul 24 23:37:00 Yuki: can't reproduce your issue. Jul 24 23:37:08 jbq: doh Jul 24 23:37:09 though, KNY, one great improvement was no need to dial out or get a callback in Google Voice Jul 24 23:37:10 romainguy_, for the record, I'm still psyched on Android but it is a bit frustrating how long some things take and how silent Google is about the process. And take everything I say in here with a grain of salt, anyway ;-) Jul 24 23:37:14 but is that something you could implement? Jul 24 23:37:18 <_Auron_> maybe one day I'll be the opengl guru here Jul 24 23:37:20 Yuki: my recommendation: cd .repo/manifests, git reset --hard origin/donut Jul 24 23:37:25 <_Auron_> and have solutions to everyone's graphic needs Jul 24 23:37:27 TommyBres, yes. I have it working in Python, but have to port it to Java Jul 24 23:37:30 KNY: how long things take? you're kidding? Jul 24 23:37:33 nice Jul 24 23:37:44 romainguy_: look at it this way: i care enough about it that i take the time to complain ;D Jul 24 23:37:45 romainguy_, when was the last time we saw a donut code drop? Jul 24 23:37:52 followed by repo sync, rm -rf out, repo forall-c 'git reset --hard m/donut ; git clean -fd' , envsetup, lunch, and make. Jul 24 23:37:53 lol, this phone's been out for what, 9 months? Jul 24 23:37:57 romainguy_: (about Android) Jul 24 23:38:01 jbq, understood, trying now Jul 24 23:38:02 actually yesterday was its 9 month birthday Jul 24 23:38:05 KNY: that I agree with you, but we released Android 1.0, 1.1 and 1.5 in 7 months :p Jul 24 23:38:23 and moreover, 1.5 was more-or-less avaialble almost immediately after 1.1. Jul 24 23:38:24 romainguy_, oh, yeah, almost all of these "complaints" (if you can call them that) have been since 1.5 came out Jul 24 23:38:29 kaiba@KaibaBook ~/mydonut/.repo/manifests $ git reset --hard origin/donut Jul 24 23:38:29 HEAD is now at 1a4138e Add projects necessary to build on dream Jul 24 23:38:40 yup, that's what I'd expect Jul 24 23:38:44 * Gaap sonno../bye Jul 24 23:38:46 careful with ye old git reset --hard :) Jul 24 23:38:46 romainguy_, I suppose you guys just set the bar way too high for yourselves ;) Jul 24 23:38:55 jbq, next steps? Jul 24 23:39:01 repo sync Jul 24 23:39:07 i still think its funny that motorola probably has more employees on their android dev team than google does on theirs Jul 24 23:39:09 running Jul 24 23:39:23 TommyBres: motorola? where did you get that figure? Jul 24 23:39:24 sigh, how long does libwebcore take to build? :) Jul 24 23:39:26 romainguy_ how many people do you think you have working on android Jul 24 23:39:33 Yuki: make -j8 Jul 24 23:39:33 I can't tell you Jul 24 23:39:34 if only I had enabled ccache before building Jul 24 23:39:36 Yuki: too long... Jul 24 23:39:37 jasta, motorola has a team of 350 devs for nothing but android Jul 24 23:39:46 kRutOn, single core 1.7ghz Pentium M (Pent 3 really) Jul 24 23:39:47 TommyBres: #include Jul 24 23:39:47 lol, do they really? Jul 24 23:39:51 i got a guesstimation from someone before, i think it was san Jul 24 23:39:56 TommyBres: that sounds like too many cooks, tbqh Jul 24 23:39:59 (that's a rule at pretty much every company that has actual competition) Jul 24 23:40:01 and i think he guessed 200ish must be @ mountain view Jul 24 23:40:02 Yuki: make -j2 then :-) Jul 24 23:40:05 TommyBres: that figure is nonsense, btw ;) Jul 24 23:40:11 zinx: that might be quite true Jul 24 23:40:19 kRutOn, next build ccache and make -j2 :D Jul 24 23:40:30 all i know is, 350 is a LOT of people for 1 manufacturer Jul 24 23:40:37 TommyBres, I thought they posted 350 job openings, but I doubt they filled them all Jul 24 23:40:37 and all i know is that you made that number up Jul 24 23:40:42 oh? Jul 24 23:40:44 TommyBres: try directionsongoogle.com Jul 24 23:40:48 jasta, no, it was on their site AFAIK Jul 24 23:40:51 uh, if it exists Jul 24 23:40:56 KNY: well then they lied about it :) Jul 24 23:41:00 it's not like Motorola makes a lot of phones, or sells in a lot of different geographies, or anything like that.... Jul 24 23:41:07 oh no Jul 24 23:41:09 they only make 1 phone Jul 24 23:41:10 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/09/28/motorola-building-up-350-person-android-team-nokia-also-sniffing-around/ Jul 24 23:41:11 the razr Jul 24 23:41:13 ever hear of it? Jul 24 23:41:13 :P Jul 24 23:41:13 okay jasta, i guess i made it up Jul 24 23:41:14 jasta, like I said, it was 350 positions; who knows they intended to fill Jul 24 23:41:16 stop being a fucking tool Jul 24 23:41:22 no u Jul 24 23:41:23 KNY: i'm telling you who knows: i do :) Jul 24 23:41:29 motorola recently laid off half their staff, too Jul 24 23:41:31 they didn't hire 350 android developers. that is absurd. Jul 24 23:41:37 who knows how many*, damn I suck Jul 24 23:41:39 about the same week Jul 24 23:41:40 "you're hired! you're fired!" Jul 24 23:41:46 same breath, even Jul 24 23:42:00 this MOTODEV thing though, don't know what to think Jul 24 23:42:12 jasta, yeah, for sure. I wish they had because then this channel could have some serious google/t-mobile/motorola rivalries to watch :) Jul 24 23:42:14 I gave it a try Jul 24 23:42:14 if anything there are probably 50 people working on android in google Jul 24 23:42:16 it's pretty nice Jul 24 23:42:16 the last one was just java (even tough it was for MAGX phones) Jul 24 23:42:31 shiznebit: i guess 10-15 :x Jul 24 23:42:33 romainguy_: so ui focused? Jul 24 23:42:39 jasta: they had a 50 man dev team and they expanded to 350, that's what this article says anyways Jul 24 23:42:52 it's really not a big deal, i don't care all that much... i just thought it was a crazy amount of people Jul 24 23:43:00 but they still dont have a phone with a keyboard, so who cares? Jul 24 23:43:01 TommyBres: well the article is false. but you can believe that if you'd prefer. Jul 24 23:43:05 hehe Jul 24 23:43:07 * TommyBres shrugs Jul 24 23:43:10 like i said, i don't care Jul 24 23:43:20 i'm glad you work for motorola so you can tell us for sure Jul 24 23:43:34 Are all the changes Mot made to Eclipse for Android development open source? Jul 24 23:43:37 TommyBres, you think he doesn't know anyone at motorola? Jul 24 23:43:38 lol, i work with their partner you idiot ;) Jul 24 23:43:43 kRutOn: not so far Jul 24 23:43:48 work _for_ their partner. Jul 24 23:43:49 KNY: i didn't say he doesn't know anyone Jul 24 23:43:51 Yuki: after your repo sync, repo forall -c git reset --hard m/donut, then repo forall -c git clean -fd Jul 24 23:43:52 romainguy_: humm... Jul 24 23:44:16 jbq: did you just give him a git rm -rf *? :) Jul 24 23:44:33 wooo, after reboot market's all working and such Jul 24 23:44:40 no, really "get back into a known state" Jul 24 23:44:44 authorizing credit cards and all that :) Jul 24 23:45:15 git reset puts the known files back in the synced state, git clean deletes the unknown files Jul 24 23:45:31 oh and romainguy_ one more deadline example that has nothing to do with your team but I feel should be mentioned: how long did it take to get the ADC2 T&C posted? that kind of stuff is way more annoying to me than a late code drop Jul 24 23:45:40 jasta: dos that even exist? Jul 24 23:45:41 jbq: i know that. Jul 24 23:46:04 but he's been making changes, so that would blow them all away Jul 24 23:46:21 jasonb, this is a copy'd dir Jul 24 23:46:28 i have my cupcake and then my donut dirs Jul 24 23:46:32 oh ok Jul 24 23:46:49 so what are to be the big improvements in donut ? Jul 24 23:47:04 it'll be glazed Jul 24 23:47:07 as opposed to cupcakes Jul 24 23:47:11 which don't get glazed Jul 24 23:47:21 they can get sprinkled, though! Jul 24 23:47:36 will it have a cream filling ? Jul 24 23:47:46 mmmm Jul 24 23:47:47 no, glaze filling Jul 24 23:47:49 inside and out Jul 24 23:47:51 cuz i don't like cream Jul 24 23:47:52 * TommyBres eats a boston kreme donut Jul 24 23:47:56 but you can compile yours with cream if you want Jul 24 23:49:17 atleast it's glazing and not chrome... Jul 24 23:49:23 hah Jul 24 23:50:12 Does anybody know anything about the buttons on the emulator not working in Donut? Jul 24 23:51:05 install SdkSetup.apk Jul 24 23:51:22 heh Jul 24 23:51:26 i wonder when i typed make Jul 24 23:51:26 :/ Jul 24 23:51:36 romainguy: is that directed to me? Jul 24 23:51:38 <_Auron_> fun, when it starts it does onCreate -> onResume -> onPause -> onCreate -> onResume Jul 24 23:52:20 jbq, did all that, tried to make, same reult Jul 24 23:52:21 reult Jul 24 23:52:22 *result Jul 24 23:53:31 hm Jul 24 23:53:33 <_Auron_> when I come back after pressing home, it does onCreate -> onResume -> onPause -> "App freeze timeout expired" "Force closing freeze" Jul 24 23:53:38 there really aren't too many phones out there that support tmob 3G Jul 24 23:53:44 Damn. What OS are you running? I'm on stock ubuntu 8.04.3 with very little configuration applied (and essentially no extra packages beyond the minimal required set for android work) Jul 24 23:53:47 i was looking at finding a good nokia Jul 24 23:53:48 Sony Xperia X1 Jul 24 23:53:53 jbq, eheheheh Jul 24 23:53:54 like an n series Jul 24 23:53:59 i'm ... not running a branded OS? Jul 24 23:54:01 :) Jul 24 23:54:06 or a good e series phone.maybe an e71 Jul 24 23:54:13 but all of them use att 3G standards Jul 24 23:54:16 Linux KaibaBook 2.6.29-rc7-git5 #1 Thu Mar 12 15:33:57 EDT 2009 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.73GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux Jul 24 23:54:16 wtf :) Jul 24 23:54:23 mlissner: you have donut? Jul 24 23:54:31 it's not "AT&T 3G" standards Jul 24 23:54:33 it's worldwide Jul 24 23:54:34 or this is in repo? Jul 24 23:54:36 t-mo us is just different Jul 24 23:54:36 :P Jul 24 23:54:42 Yuki: yeah Jul 24 23:54:48 jbq, i'm ready to sit down and try and trace it out Jul 24 23:54:54 but i have no idea wtf i'm looking for Jul 24 23:55:00 Yuki: does a G1 work on 1900? Jul 24 23:55:03 tmzt: Actually...no...no I do not. I have cupcake. Too many deserts running around these parts. Jul 24 23:55:06 Yuki: as much as I hate having to say that, I'm gonna have to write it off as a diff between setups :( Jul 24 23:55:09 yes, the G1 does use T-Mo USA Jul 24 23:55:14 jbq, and the other guy? :/ Jul 24 23:55:25 Yuki: T-Mo USA? Jul 24 23:55:32 T-Mo USA 3G Jul 24 23:55:35 tmob uses 1700 for 3G Jul 24 23:55:36 it does support it Jul 24 23:55:40 oh, i don't know about that Jul 24 23:55:45 does it support 1900 Jul 24 23:55:49 no clue Jul 24 23:55:54 maybe i should have said adp1 ;) Jul 24 23:55:54 Yuki: I don't know what he was running either. Jul 24 23:55:59 since those are supposed to be "unlocked" Jul 24 23:56:07 *shrug* let me try a fresh tree, i suppose Jul 24 23:56:16 i don't know Jul 24 23:56:21 i really don't know what the hardware does Jul 24 23:56:21 all the tmob nokia phones totally sucks Jul 24 23:56:23 suck Jul 24 23:56:36 they are the low end knockoff garbage Jul 24 23:56:37 jbq, this might take a day or so :P Jul 24 23:56:41 i want an e71 Jul 24 23:56:42 heh Jul 24 23:56:42 <_Auron_> oh great Jul 24 23:56:50 <_Auron_> NO ONE in any google result has found a solution to the problem I have Jul 24 23:57:04 _Auron_: talk to the doctor. i'm sure he has cream for it Jul 24 23:57:06 _Auron_, sync the tree, start diving into source? :/ Jul 24 23:57:17 Yuki: yeah, I know, that's why I was hoping to catch some shortcut for you :( Jul 24 23:57:35 _Auron_: which problem? Jul 24 23:57:35 if a repo sync gets interrupted Jul 24 23:57:38 can i just restart it? Jul 24 23:57:40 er, init Jul 24 23:57:51 better rm -rf .repo and restart. Jul 24 23:57:54 i plan to move to a location with better inet in a few hours, but not right now Jul 24 23:58:02 i'm rm -rf'ing everything Jul 24 23:58:02 heh Jul 24 23:58:06 <_Auron_> tmzt: when I come back into my program after pressing home, it does onCreate -> onResume -> onPause -> "App freeze timeout expired" "Force closing freeze" Jul 24 23:58:12 (stopping repo init in the middle can leave stuff in an inconsistent state) Jul 24 23:58:19 eugh Jul 24 23:58:45 ctrl-z work? :) Jul 24 23:59:02 <_Auron_> and "Launch timeout has expired, giving up wake lock!" Jul 24 23:59:10 romainguy: Do you know where I can find sdksetup.apk? I'm hunting but not finding... Jul 24 23:59:14 might work, maybe not... :/ Jul 24 23:59:20 mlissner: in development/apps IIRC Jul 24 23:59:58 find . type f | xargs grep -i sdksetup should find it ;-) Jul 25 00:00:02 jbq: Yeah, I looked there, but no apk to be found... Jul 25 00:00:12 the source is there Jul 25 00:00:29 once you build it the apk ends up somewhere in the out directory. Jul 25 00:01:09 ah well, time to fiddle with my Herald while I wait Jul 25 00:03:49 <_Auron_> I seriously don't think this will ever be fiixed Jul 25 00:03:50 <_Auron_> fuck. Jul 25 00:04:19 jbq: Ah...as I feared. Jul 25 00:04:44 it's linking webcore! :D Jul 25 00:04:56 FINALLY :D Jul 25 00:09:07 So, I have a slightly more convoluted question that I'm looking for opinions on. Jul 25 00:09:14 Seems like there's some good hackers here today. Jul 25 00:09:35 common misconception Jul 25 00:09:48 i'm not good, i'm just a horrible n00b who learned a few too many buzzwords while diving deep into kernel code Jul 25 00:09:49 :X Jul 25 00:10:03 I'm in ur gitz haxoring ur sourcez Jul 25 00:10:04 I modified the Location class to theoretically generate database entries on the SD card whenever the location apis are called. Jul 25 00:10:44 is there a quick way to shutdown edge? Jul 25 00:10:51 I did this by adding a call to a addDatabaseEntry method within each of the API methods. Jul 25 00:11:14 BUILD DONE! :D Jul 25 00:11:18 Anybody have any idea if this would work? In theory? Jul 25 00:11:44 <_Auron_> omfg. why does the app restart AFTER a force-close? Jul 25 00:11:46 <_Auron_> that makes NO SENSE Jul 25 00:11:52 * _Auron_ 's head explodes Jul 25 00:12:21 * Wickednix cleans the channel of brian matter Jul 25 00:12:39 mlissner: that doesn't sound impossible. Might generate a lot of data, but I guess that's the point. Jul 25 00:12:43 _Auron_: maybe out of spite Jul 25 00:12:53 <_Auron_> fuck! Jul 25 00:13:36 jbq: that was just what I was hoping to hear. My one big question was whether those API's (in the location class) had to be called every time there was a location query. Does anybody know? Jul 25 00:13:49 has it gone noon pacific yet? Jul 25 00:14:00 *is it past Jul 25 00:14:04 * jbq doesn't know the usage patterns of the location apis Jul 25 00:14:22 martin___: it's 5:13pm, i.e. about mi-day Jul 25 00:14:24 martin__ it is 17:14 Jul 25 00:14:32 ty Jul 25 00:15:15 <_Auron_> http://pastebin.org/4080 <-- this is what happens Jul 25 00:15:25 * jbq watches hopelessly as the intartubes are conspiring against him Jul 25 00:17:12 * _Auron_ is pretty sure this bug will never be fixed because it's full of bullshit Jul 25 00:19:49 <_Auron_> I seriously feel like throwing my phone at the wall as hard as I can. This is pissing me off. Jul 25 00:20:14 if you have insurance go for it Jul 25 00:20:19 <_Auron_> I don't Jul 25 00:20:36 <_Auron_> in a week I won't even have service because I can't afford to pay the bill this month Jul 25 00:20:46 then don't because you know you will find the fix and be like wow, I need my phone Jul 25 00:21:17 <_Auron_> I've spent the past two hours doing everything I can to even find out WHAT IS WRONG Jul 25 00:21:26 <_Auron_> and have foud NO clue Jul 25 00:31:38 <_Auron_> the wonderful part about me sending out log message is that whenever it does this crash, I find that it doesn't execute *ANY* of my code. not even the first line in onCreate() or onResume() Jul 25 00:32:06 <_Auron_> making me even more clueless Jul 25 00:39:04 How are groups/users handled in android? I need to add the "system" user to the "input" group in order fix a permission issue with the USB touchscreen driver, but /etc/group and /etc/passwd don't exist. Are there other config files for this in android? Jul 25 00:40:30 That's mostly hard-coded at compile time. Jul 25 00:41:01 (I forgot where it lives exactly, but if you trace up from the DownloadProvider's permission to access the cache partition you'll find it) Jul 25 00:42:37 hmm.. may be easier to change the usb driver then. Jul 25 00:43:12 is there something like udev? Jul 25 00:43:55 I don't know anything about the kernel setup, but it's safe to assume that stuff is hard-coded at build time as much as possible. Jul 25 00:44:07 there is a message bus, but I don't know if anything other than vold uses it Jul 25 00:44:26 no udev; most devices are created at boot time in ramdisk init Jul 25 00:44:39 Damn, stuff takes forever to compile :( Jul 25 00:44:39 vold seems to be one of the few programs that actually listens for uevents and acts on them Jul 25 00:46:34 I take forever to compile Jul 25 01:00:11 KNY: were you asking about a possible future donut push? Jul 25 01:03:56 anyone bought note everything pro? Jul 25 01:04:17 jbq: ? Jul 25 01:04:28 I just pushed a new donut :) Jul 25 01:04:31 yay Jul 25 01:05:03 yay, http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/frameworks/base.git;a=tree;f=core/java/android/gesture;hb=donut Jul 25 01:06:51 romainguy_: what is it Jul 25 01:09:34 jbq, wooo Jul 25 01:10:07 jbq, I meant to thank you the other day for that discussion you had on android-platform about why it takes so long to push Jul 25 01:10:13 :) Jul 25 01:11:24 * KNY is psyched on the gesture support Jul 25 01:11:33 I figured that we (Google) started to have a good enough idea about what makes sense that there was no point being wishy-washy about it. Jul 25 01:11:43 touch-screen gesture recognition? Jul 25 01:12:04 jbq, and I (and many others) appreciate the clarity. It definitely goes a long way with being understanding with delays Jul 25 01:12:53 There are still a few things that need to be clarified, but that felt like the most urgent part. Jul 25 01:13:00 romainguy_, I haven't looked through all the code yet, but is there some (architectural or otherwise) reason that things like this couldn't be released on, say, the Market and updated piecemeal? why does it need an entire platform update? Jul 25 01:13:10 jbq, yes, don't think you're done ;-) Jul 25 01:14:02 jbq, but yeah, going from the pre-cupcake days of syncing the repo and getting a ton of changes to syncing and getting almost zero changes with no explanation was definitely weird Jul 25 01:14:30 KNY: because it's an api and not an app?? Jul 25 01:15:12 romainguy_, isn't there a category for libraries on the market? couldn't it (being the framework) be made to be more pluggable? Jul 25 01:15:22 oh yeah Jul 25 01:15:37 and then your app would have to target versions of the OS + flavors of possible addons Jul 25 01:16:02 and it's called J2ME :) Jul 25 01:16:09 romainguy_, haha, well played Jul 25 01:16:29 romainguy_, take the current TTS lib for example--if you don't have it, you can prompt to get it from the Market Jul 25 01:16:58 speaking of which, there's a TTS lib in Donut now Jul 25 01:17:08 yep Jul 25 01:17:13 anyway, the answer is no, we're not going to do this Jul 25 01:17:14 excited for that, too Jul 25 01:17:26 and if you can wait a few months for an OS update then too bad for you Jul 25 01:17:37 -can+can't Jul 25 01:21:31 fair enough Jul 25 01:21:50 so it's not that it's not technically possible, but it's more of a policy decision? Jul 25 01:24:31 technically its making your life easier Jul 25 01:24:45 that's not what I asked Jul 25 01:26:27 with enough thrust, you could fly a brick Jul 25 01:27:04 lol Jul 25 01:29:19 hi, how do I know if I should be using the standard JF ROM or the JF ROM for ADP1 phones on my G1? I believe I have a standard phone but when I went to about after rooting it it says Android Dev Phone 1 so whould I use the ADP1 ROM from now on? Jul 25 01:29:48 KNY: it's not technically _reasonable_, though technically possible. Jul 25 01:30:06 jasta, fair enough Jul 25 01:32:41 kitz does it have a cool design on the back of the phone Jul 25 01:33:08 TommyBres, nope Jul 25 01:33:17 k then its not an adp :P Jul 25 01:33:30 are you on t mobile us, and you want myfaves? Jul 25 01:34:00 TommyBres, I'm having an issue where the in-call volume is too loud even at the lowest setting even on speakerphone or w/o speakerphone and adjusting the in-call volume doesn't seem to make any difference Jul 25 01:34:06 TommyBres, I am but don't care for myfaves Jul 25 01:34:16 Kitz, mine has the same problem Jul 25 01:34:19 annoying as hell Jul 25 01:34:26 okay well thats the biggest diff between adp and t-mo images Jul 25 01:34:42 myfaves, that is Jul 25 01:34:43 KNY, is this something that happened due to rooting it or the latest 1.5 firmware? Jul 25 01:34:58 TommyBres, so the non-adp supports myfaves? Jul 25 01:35:03 right Jul 25 01:35:03 Kitz, no idea. I would guess the firmware. I'm on JF 1.5 (not 1.51) Jul 25 01:35:09 adp doesnt have the myfaves app Jul 25 01:35:14 and it cant be added Jul 25 01:35:47 so I guess I'll stick with standard JF 1.51 ROM instead of ADP even though I don't use myfaves & don't have a dev phone with the cool design Jul 25 01:36:04 its up to you man, not many differences Jul 25 01:36:17 KNY, hmmm...so even if you didn't have it rooted it would have this problem? Jul 25 01:36:43 Kitz, no clue; I rooted/flashed when I got my new hardware so it might be hardware and it might be software Jul 25 01:37:49 hmmm, hopefully the new JF ROM for CRC1 will fix this Jul 25 01:37:51 if it's related. Jul 25 01:40:10 thanks for the help guys. Jul 25 01:41:07 does anyone have any experience with running Debian on Android? I am having trouble mounting the debiam.img file (following saurik's instructions) Jul 25 01:41:09 what was the problem? Jul 25 01:41:17 ah Jul 25 01:41:31 didn't someone else have that last night? Jul 25 01:42:04 mount: mounting /sdcard/kit/debian.img on /data/local mnt failed: No such file or directory Jul 25 01:42:16 /data/local/mnt* Jul 25 01:43:35 you have to mkdir first Jul 25 01:43:57 mkdir failed for /data/local/mnt: File exists Jul 25 01:44:47 ls -lh /data/local/mnt Jul 25 01:44:51 ls -lhd /data/local/mnt Jul 25 01:44:59 also, give me your mount command Jul 25 01:45:08 _ mount -o loop,noatime $kit/debian.img $mnt Jul 25 01:45:18 which mount Jul 25 01:45:41 hm? I have been following the instructions at http://www.saurik.com/id/10 Jul 25 01:45:51 type: which mount Jul 25 01:46:00 or type: type -path mount Jul 25 01:46:02 well, *knocks on wood* Jul 25 01:46:08 my phone works. Jul 25 01:46:14 yay! Jul 25 01:46:30 caller id works, had to wipe but im over it Jul 25 01:47:29 drwxrwxrwx 1 0 0 2.0K Jul 25 01:34 /data/local/mnt Jul 25 01:47:39 that is the result of ls -lhd /data/local/mnt Jul 25 01:47:52 and which mount? Jul 25 01:48:00 doing that now Jul 25 01:48:18 /system/xbin/bb/mount Jul 25 01:48:31 so it should be busynbox Jul 25 01:48:48 ls -lh /sdcard/kit/debian.img Jul 25 01:49:14 * _Auron_ sighs Jul 25 01:49:16 <_Auron_> I can't figurie t out Jul 25 01:49:44 auron what? Jul 25 01:49:50 no such file or directory, odd Jul 25 01:50:53 should I remove the USB cable? that was causing a similar problem for me in the past Jul 25 01:50:54 <_Auron|G1_> Tommy my app isn't rebuilding correctly when I hit home then go back to the app Jul 25 01:51:02 <_Auron|G1_> or something Jul 25 01:51:06 <_Auron|G1_> I don't even know Jul 25 01:51:07 hm Jul 25 01:51:07 tktn: yeah, unmount your sd from computer Jul 25 01:51:35 well auron make it suck up so much memory that people cant think about multitasking :) Jul 25 01:51:52 I removed the USB cable, but it is giving the same response Jul 25 01:51:56 if they hit home the system will lock up and your flaw will not be revealed Jul 25 01:52:22 ah, I see the problem Jul 25 01:52:29 incorrect filename Jul 25 01:59:10 how can i force the build system to take the changes and remake the images without make clean? Jul 25 01:59:34 like, say, I modify core.mk or generic.mk to change the delivered packages, and make, and it just runs through and says DONE without doing anything :) Jul 25 02:05:39 tmtz, okay, another problem, cannot execute /debootstrap/debootstrap: No such file or directory Jul 25 02:06:44 that is when I run _ chroot $mnt /debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage (from the next instruction) Jul 25 02:09:29 fak Jul 25 02:09:34 i think i killed my herald's digitizer Jul 25 02:09:35 >_< Jul 25 02:09:41 oh well Jul 25 02:09:44 a new one is $10 shipped Jul 25 02:09:45 so w/e Jul 25 02:14:22 I SAW THE ANDROID STATUE Jul 25 02:14:34 and the cupcake sitting next to it. Jul 25 02:15:40 dude Jul 25 02:15:41 that's awsome Jul 25 02:15:45 isn't there a donut near it now? ;/ Jul 25 02:17:08 how should I handle this debootstrap situation? Jul 25 02:25:27 <_> ? Jul 25 02:27:21 ? Jul 25 02:31:23 tktn: did you run the first stage? Jul 25 02:31:43 or extract the deb or whatever saurik has you do Jul 25 02:36:16 can the G1 be charge from the laptop? Jul 25 02:43:14 anyone bought note everything pro? Jul 25 02:44:41 freenose: sure. just plug it in with a usb cable Jul 25 02:47:35 =/ Jul 25 02:48:52 =/ Jul 25 02:49:55 nobody uses not everyting? Jul 25 02:50:25 i hate post-its Jul 25 02:50:41 Samsung Pixon12, what processor? 800Mhz? Jul 25 02:51:14 2.8ghz Jul 25 02:51:18 c2d Jul 25 02:51:24 8gb ram Jul 25 02:51:27 lool Jul 25 02:51:36 19mp camera with 80x optical zoom Jul 25 02:51:55 tell me when you stop believing and i'll tell you the specs arent out yet Jul 25 02:51:58 802.11n? Jul 25 02:51:59 :) Jul 25 02:52:15 you asked the very same question yesterday, answer hasnt changed :) Jul 25 02:53:19 well, the specs should be about soon.. i google it almost everyday to find out.. just thought someone else might come across it before me Jul 25 02:53:34 i havent Jul 25 02:54:02 well it dont hurt to ask Jul 25 02:54:14 YES IT DO Jul 25 02:54:32 * TommyBres goes back to his various activities Jul 25 02:54:36 it dont hurt me :) might hurt you yo answer Jul 25 02:54:41 *to Jul 25 02:55:53 hi jpa-- Jul 25 02:56:01 hrm Jul 25 02:56:16 I have a googlemap, that I draw pins on Jul 25 02:56:25 now I want to draw a rectangle on it Jul 25 02:56:45 but I don't know how to get the canvas for draw(Canvas) Jul 25 02:57:17 I tried draw(new Canvas()) but got a really cool ecrash :( Jul 25 02:57:39 so, how do I get the correct canvas? Jul 25 02:58:06 oh, and here's the crash http://pastebin.com/m77eb6f2a **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 25 02:59:57 2009