**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 25 02:59:57 2009 Jul 25 03:02:51 k4r1m you around? Jul 25 03:03:13 anyone here familiar with MediaPlayer? Jul 25 03:04:08 mediaplayer, what s that Jul 25 03:04:30 ..the class Jul 25 03:05:03 lol ok Jul 25 03:05:14 lol Jul 25 03:05:29 b0nn: try taking a reference first Jul 25 03:05:41 hmm Jul 25 03:05:50 not sure I know how to get a reference Jul 25 03:06:14 tmzt: could you expand a little ? Jul 25 03:09:16 b0nn: I would guess, Canvas canvas = new Canvas(); then draw(canvas) Jul 25 03:09:23 to prevent gc Jul 25 03:09:52 I did that, and that's what caused the crash Jul 25 03:10:00 a reference is like a java pointer Jul 25 03:10:01 oh Jul 25 03:10:06 well I can't really help then Jul 25 03:10:16 lol, k Jul 25 03:20:51 k4r1m: if you're around, did you really port the cyanogen rom to rogers htc magic? Jul 25 03:21:55 not sure if he did the port Jul 25 03:21:58 but he is using it Jul 25 03:21:59 :D Jul 25 03:22:10 ahh okay ha Jul 25 03:22:20 he might did it Jul 25 03:22:33 he has been telling me he is porting stuff to the rogers Jul 25 03:22:41 or at least trying Jul 25 03:25:06 what's so great about the cyanogen rom? Jul 25 03:25:08 it's not even themed Jul 25 03:26:44 Its fast Jul 25 03:26:55 jpa--: ksec oreo with it =win Jul 25 03:27:07 pardon Jul 25 03:27:18 AakashPatel: fuck the FDA, I just built my own ecig :P Jul 25 03:27:29 DarkriftX: what chems? Jul 25 03:27:40 formaldehyde? Jul 25 03:27:41 i didnt say chemicals, just the device itself Jul 25 03:27:46 that doesnt count Jul 25 03:27:51 pshhh Jul 25 03:27:55 yes it does Jul 25 03:28:02 * jpa-- packs a bowl Jul 25 03:28:03 running cm3.9 w/ dark hero theme and it kicks ass! Jul 25 03:28:09 so who all has the HTC Magic ? Jul 25 03:28:11 just me & zelrikriando? Jul 25 03:28:19 and yes, I do have all the chemicals to make my own juice Jul 25 03:28:28 woah Jul 25 03:28:30 haha Jul 25 03:28:31 nic Jul 25 03:28:33 e Jul 25 03:28:42 the fatality rom is slow after all Jul 25 03:28:56 whenever I get a chance, I ll put something faster Jul 25 03:29:12 AakashPatel: ordered some very high capacity batteries from china on dealextreme. once they come in I will have to charge it once a week :P Jul 25 03:29:26 yeah fatality hero is a bit slow Jul 25 03:29:29 super slow sometimes Jul 25 03:29:35 it hangs Jul 25 03:29:37 that s the thing Jul 25 03:30:04 DarkriftX: lol sell those Jul 25 03:30:05 yeah i guess Jul 25 03:30:07 hrmm Jul 25 03:30:11 so cyanogen rom it is ? Jul 25 03:30:21 lol, its too ghetto Jul 25 03:30:28 it works great, but looks ghetto as hell Jul 25 03:30:40 cyanogen rom? Jul 25 03:30:44 wtf Jul 25 03:30:44 DarkriftX: haha it looks more than ghetto Jul 25 03:30:46 next one will have a car battery on it :P Jul 25 03:30:54 haha backpack version Jul 25 03:30:56 yo Jul 25 03:30:58 OFFTOPIC Jul 25 03:31:03 jpa--: SUCK IT Jul 25 03:31:15 lol Jul 25 03:31:28 ok degeneration-X Jul 25 03:31:30 how's 1998? Jul 25 03:31:41 better than your mom last night Jul 25 03:31:43 okay Jul 25 03:31:45 im done Jul 25 03:31:47 -offtopic time Jul 25 03:33:44 AakashPatel: what looks like ghetto Jul 25 03:33:54 zelrikriando: DarkriftX's ecig Jul 25 03:34:01 ok Jul 25 03:34:04 pic? Jul 25 03:34:39 DarkriftX: pic him up lol Jul 25 03:34:46 www.blucig.com Jul 25 03:34:48 ftw Jul 25 03:35:20 TommyBres: nah hold on Jul 25 03:35:26 http://vapersforum.com/showthread.php?p=49282#post49282 Jul 25 03:36:29 tmzt, sorry for the late reply, but the chroot command is in the next step after the mount one Jul 25 03:38:26 TommyBres: they suck Jul 25 03:39:00 oh? Jul 25 03:39:29 yeah, starter kits. get you hooked and then you buy something worth the money :P Jul 25 03:39:35 you have one? Jul 25 03:39:37 plus they cant even fill their orders Jul 25 03:39:50 they have been selling while out of stock for months Jul 25 03:39:59 I have a different model Jul 25 03:40:05 looks close, but all black Jul 25 03:40:19 lol, and you werent even in here :S Jul 25 03:40:32 I havent had tobacco in a month Jul 25 03:40:40 30 days today Jul 25 03:40:50 tmzt, oh, nvm, according to the instructions, I don't need to bother with that command Jul 25 03:41:19 anyways, didnt mean to go that off topic (hence me pming AakashPatel the url) Jul 25 03:41:24 so im done now Jul 25 03:42:00 sorry man my bad Jul 25 03:42:19 * AakashPatel joins the badness Jul 25 03:42:22 not complaining, just stopping now before I piss others off Jul 25 03:42:25 AakashPatel: pm me everything darkrift just said lol Jul 25 03:42:36 TommyBres: it was just the url he pasted a min ago Jul 25 03:42:43 oh Jul 25 03:43:01 * TommyBres stills wantsa try blucigs :) Jul 25 03:43:10 nah, skip them and get one that lasts longer Jul 25 03:43:26 battery life or cartridge size? Jul 25 03:44:57 what aspect ratio do movie theaters use? Jul 25 03:48:05 recently, 1.85:1 and 2.35:1 Jul 25 03:54:53 Lieutenant, it depends on the movie. The theater is supposed to adjust and frame for the aspect ratio of the film Jul 25 04:04:47 jbq: If one wanted to add another git directory to the open source project, how would one do that? Jul 25 04:06:07 I don't have any good answer right now. There's some confusion about what's maintained by Google and what's not (because the projects are interleaved), and we need to clean that up first. Jul 25 04:06:52 just kick htc in the face Jul 25 04:07:07 I've been advocating internally that we allow additional projects outside of the "platform" hierarchy for projects that aren't relevant to Google-Experience devices but can help the rest of the ecosystem. Jul 25 04:07:32 I have a simple 8x40 gradient (created in gimp) that looks great in every desktop browser but looks terrible on android's dev phone 1 browser. It has obvious blocking about every 40 pixels. Any ideas on what I might be doing wrong? Jul 25 04:08:26 Anyway, that's on my todo list, but not at the top, so I might not get to work in that area for another month or two. Jul 25 04:09:24 Well, I was planning on adding external/libflac and hooking it up in the media player. Jul 25 04:10:06 Yeah, that's the kind of stuff that I have in mind. Jul 25 04:10:53 Should I just forget about it for a couple months? Jul 25 04:11:08 maybe a controlling xml file that allows taking things from different repos? Jul 25 04:11:22 You'll find it easier right now if you can get git hosting outside of the android servers. Jul 25 04:11:31 tmzt: we have that already :) Jul 25 04:11:40 oh Jul 25 04:11:45 (that's exactly what the manifest does) Jul 25 04:11:50 I thought you had to init/sync from one tree Jul 25 04:12:05 ok Jul 25 04:12:13 no, you can have multiple remotes in the manifest, and specify the remote on a per-project basis. Jul 25 04:12:28 is bionic the only c library supported for cross compiling? Jul 25 04:12:45 wife is calling my for dinner. sorry. I might be back later, or not. Jul 25 04:13:00 tell her she can't have any. it's yours! Jul 25 04:13:01 owait Jul 25 04:13:29 See you later. Jul 25 04:15:06 why do png's look so terrible in Android's browser? Every png I create (with Gimp...especially gradients) tend to block up every 40 pixels or so. Jul 25 04:17:08 they display fine in other browsers??? i dont get it Jul 25 04:18:16 Do you have an example URL Jul 25 04:18:42 <_avatar> android's bit depth is 16-bit. 24 or 32 bit images are dithered Jul 25 04:20:24 thats probably my problem Jul 25 04:20:31 didnt know that Jul 25 04:20:34 thanks Jul 25 04:20:37 <_avatar> er, i meant "color depth" obviously Jul 25 04:20:39 <_avatar> sure Jul 25 04:21:10 <_avatar> if you have photoshop you can dithe the images yourself using the 5_6_5 filter here: http://www.telegraphics.com.au/sw/ Jul 25 04:21:17 <_avatar> dithe=dither Jul 25 04:23:49 that was it... thank you _avatar Jul 25 04:23:57 much appeciated Jul 25 04:26:06 Anyone with a 32b magic here? Jul 25 04:26:38 *mytouch*/*vodafone* Jul 25 04:27:54 * AakashPatel <3 TommyBres Jul 25 04:27:57 lolol aakashpatel Jul 25 04:28:01 share Jul 25 04:28:04 dude Jul 25 04:28:08 i deleted them Jul 25 04:28:16 i wiped my phone this morning Jul 25 04:28:16 lies! Jul 25 04:28:20 did i not say? Jul 25 04:28:25 you said "i have some" Jul 25 04:28:27 HAVE Jul 25 04:28:28 fine Jul 25 04:28:30 HAD Jul 25 04:28:40 liessss Jul 25 04:28:49 wipe doesnt wipe the sdcard Jul 25 04:28:52 ... Jul 25 04:28:53 mms Jul 25 04:28:54 nice try tho liar Jul 25 04:28:55 bitchz Jul 25 04:29:01 bs Jul 25 04:29:04 :| Jul 25 04:29:07 +b Jul 25 04:29:10 lol Jul 25 04:29:37 TommyBres: :P gimme a week and ill get more Jul 25 04:40:07 * Wickednix yawns Jul 25 04:54:57 anyone have Weather Widget - Donate? Jul 25 05:13:03 does anyone know for sure which roms would work on HTC Magic on Rogers ? Jul 25 05:13:19 i know ive asked this question a million and a half times but im still unclear Jul 25 05:20:39 Computer Science is not about Science, or Computers. Jul 25 05:44:17 What? Jul 25 05:44:22 Phantom Game Console? Jul 25 05:44:28 JesusFreke? Jul 25 05:46:20 Where is that GenericNode guy anyway, who is always spouting off about vaporware? Jul 25 05:46:27 oh, hi GenericNode! Jul 25 05:47:07 does comcache show up as swap in /proc/meminfo and free? Jul 25 05:47:36 i've missed you all so much Jul 25 05:47:37 jpa--: you can almost get anything working on the rogers... just limited port Jul 25 05:48:21 GenericNode: i miss you too, even though this is the first time i'm talking to you. Jul 25 05:50:32 tmzt: are you around? Jul 25 06:32:15 guys, what app can i write down a note and set an alrm for that note Jul 25 06:33:28 Anyone? Jul 25 07:05:26 My app goes ANR after it quits Jul 25 07:06:11 Its just driving me crazy Jul 25 07:09:29 use a debugger. Jul 25 07:09:31 it's very simple. Jul 25 07:09:44 attach to the process, suspend the main thread, look at what dumbass thing you're doing to cause it. Jul 25 07:13:57 or better yet Jul 25 07:14:04 you can look at the anr traces Jul 25 07:14:13 I think in /data/anr.txt, something like that Jul 25 07:14:20 the logcat tells you where to find it Jul 25 07:14:28 anyway, it shows the stack when the ANR happens Jul 25 07:14:35 whats gscript? Jul 25 07:18:12 yeah, I had checked out trace, it does not help Jul 25 07:18:42 brb Jul 25 07:22:40 romainguy: sexy new progress style :) Jul 25 07:24:02 hm didn't know compcache was a kernel module >.< back to the kernel phail issue Jul 25 07:40:06 wow, bumpin channel Jul 25 07:42:38 anyone actually here? Jul 25 07:43:45 maybe Jul 25 07:44:48 its usually quiet in here when NA goes to sleep Jul 25 07:45:44 i figured. everyone leaves it on overnight i bet. Jul 25 07:47:24 /me Jul 25 07:48:05 aw man darairc needs to add that function Jul 25 07:49:19 hi all Jul 25 07:49:31 lo Jul 25 07:49:37 hey Jul 25 07:49:37 hows everyone doing Jul 25 07:49:57 i was just reading about the palm pre syncing with itunes and it go me thinking Jul 25 07:50:25 could you change the g1 or any other device's usb id to making it look like an ipod Jul 25 07:50:32 would it be hard to do Jul 25 07:51:24 android needs it's own sync app? itunes would probably try to 'restore' everytime Jul 25 07:51:41 facelessloser: hard is relative dpeneding on your skill. generally, yes it would be hard. Jul 25 07:52:02 <_yoyo> what is the download app on the android? Jul 25 07:52:04 yeah thats true talbot Jul 25 07:52:07 there is a protocol dimension that you're missing -- there is no generic "oh this is an ipod, so it implements all ipod functionality" trick. Jul 25 07:52:19 yeah i think it would be hard but probliy not with it Jul 25 07:52:35 i wonder what would happen if you partitioned your sd card to have that open source ipod system on it Jul 25 07:52:49 with any luck, i can make it unnecessary :) Jul 25 07:52:50 <_yoyo> is there only DownloadProvider, no the download client app? Jul 25 07:53:14 market is the download app Jul 25 07:53:19 yeah Jul 25 07:53:44 i was wondering, if i had 5 apps backed up (via mybackup pro), and i want them all installed but without having to sit there, and doing INSTALL, DONE, INSTALL, DONE, INSTALL, DONE, etc... anyway for me to install them via terminal? or adb? or like move them straight to /data/app/ ? would that work? Jul 25 07:53:50 <_yoyo> talbot: what name is the market app? Jul 25 07:53:54 man i was soo drunk last night off of a ยฃ1.79 bottle of cider lol Jul 25 07:55:13 prodigy: i supposed you could write a shell script that would invoke app installer but you'd have to do alot of research to find the right terms to use. Jul 25 07:55:35 hm trying to play around swap space for the first here, since well this is the first i got it work... it doesn't seem to be taking any mem just zero used Jul 25 07:56:05 @yoyo: it's already installed on your phone, open up your applications menu and click on "market" Jul 25 07:56:07 talbot: that sucks, I was just trying to find a way to easily be able to do wipes, flashing a new ROM, and then reinstalling apps that way without having to sit there and reinstalling like all 125 apps (apps2sd) manually Jul 25 07:57:05 @k4r1m: i can't get swapper to work either. have you tried making a manual linux-swap partition with a linux live cd? Jul 25 07:57:24 k4r1m: i have used compcache in the past, havne't tried linux-swap, but I must say that compcache works fine for several hours, but then it just starts to lag/fc a lot on apps...it's like it works fine but once it's filled up, it is also acting up Jul 25 07:58:45 @prodigy: you could *maybe* create a partition that just has apps installed via apps2sd then just install a2sd and make sure it recognized the partition. but i have't tried it Jul 25 07:59:59 hm well im not using a swap file i have actually managed to create a swap partition and it shows up under "free" it just doesnt wanna handle any of the *used* memory.... and compcache thing, i wish i was able to run compcache but i can't >.< long story with my phone(htc magic) and its htc branded kernel... Jul 25 08:00:11 i love my 16gb sd card but i'm too afraid to use swap/apps2sd because of the risk of killing my card faster. Jul 25 08:00:25 talbot: which class? Jul 25 08:00:36 4 i think Jul 25 08:00:49 <_yoyo> talbot: where is the application menu? is it in the setting? i have not found the market Jul 25 08:01:14 is there an application that creates memory leakes =P ? Jul 25 08:01:53 @karim: that suggests to me that the linux-swap wasn't created right. if it was you wouldn't be able to see the partition. is it only 32mb? Jul 25 08:02:02 @yoyo? Jul 25 08:02:05 oops Jul 25 08:02:45 @yoyo: it's the tab at the bottom of the main screen, the one you drag upwards. all your installed apps are in there Jul 25 08:03:09 talbot: i could see it and yeah it is 32mb it just not swapping anything Jul 25 08:03:24 it's at zero used at all times Jul 25 08:03:33 well for the past 20 mins since i got it working Jul 25 08:03:53 talbot: to be honest with you, I think you should just use your phone without a swap (whether linux-swap or compcache) until they figured out that is causing it to start lagging after several hours. Your sdcard will still work just fine for at least a couple of years, probably even longer, and by that time you'll end up having a G5 or something anyways. :) Jul 25 08:04:08 try downloading an ubuntu live cd, boot up to that, plug in your phone and partition it there. Jul 25 08:04:23 opps, wrong person, was meant for k4r1m Jul 25 08:05:12 i agree with prodigy. so many new models coming out, there's bound to be a better version of the g1 with builtin swap Jul 25 08:05:41 prodigy: i had the same issue when i used the swap file option which was created on the sdcard... always zero used Jul 25 08:05:48 <_yoyo> talbot: but there is no market app here Jul 25 08:06:32 @yoyo are you running the default system or did you install a custom rom like JF or cyanogen? Jul 25 08:07:01 k4r1m: i would just go with the right ROM, and you should be fine for the most part, besides you'll surely want a phone that works rather than having the latest/coolest but it only works half the time Jul 25 08:07:14 prodigy: what should be my swappness at? cuz i have it at 30... and i just got to use 80 kilobytes by watching some youtube video Jul 25 08:07:31 <_yoyo> talbot: it's a custom rom like eeepc Jul 25 08:07:53 10 is recommended but i've heatd a few people running at 60 Jul 25 08:08:25 well 60 is the default Jul 25 08:08:32 linux default that is Jul 25 08:08:50 @yoyo that's probably why, the eeepc android build doesn't have access to the app market. not yet anyway. Jul 25 08:08:55 k4r1m: when i was using compcache, it used to be 24MB with 20 swappiness Jul 25 08:09:34 prodigy: yeah i wish i was able to get compcache working Jul 25 08:09:42 it used to work just fine but that was with CM 3.8.x Jul 25 08:09:42 blame htc Jul 25 08:10:02 <_yoyo> talbot: but how to let it have the market app? Jul 25 08:10:20 now that i'm testing 3.9, and had issues with force closures, I decided to take off compcache and figured I'll be better off without any swap for now Jul 25 08:10:33 k4r1m: getting compcache working is easy Jul 25 08:10:43 i don't understand why i only have 5mb under "free" when i have a total of 288mb, 197 for the system Jul 25 08:10:59 prodigy: no it's not possible on my device. Jul 25 08:11:05 yet atleast* Jul 25 08:11:10 k4r1m: hm, how come? which ROM? Jul 25 08:11:17 @yoyo you can't thaylve disabled it. you can try installing regular linux apps but you can't play phone apps on the computer Jul 25 08:12:05 prodigy: no it's not the rom, its the kernel there is only working kernel for the htc magic 32a and nothing else seems to be working... so for example right now im running jacherski but i had to repack boot.img with my original kernel to get it working Jul 25 08:12:13 man this g1 keyboard is not meant for speed. my thumbs are killing me. Jul 25 08:13:49 k4r1m: ah I see, my bad, didn't know you were on the magic Jul 25 08:14:02 <_yoyo> talbot: i see, but at first i have to get the market app to install apps from android market. how to generate the market app? Jul 25 08:14:22 prodigy: well the 32b magic is fine but i didnt get that magic because it only has 192 of ram Jul 25 08:14:35 either way all of this is because of stupid ram Jul 25 08:15:07 @yoyo it's not possible. the phone version of android is very different from the computer version Jul 25 08:15:10 no matter rom i use even g1 roms my free ram is never over 30mb Jul 25 08:15:25 always jumping from 5 to 30 Jul 25 08:16:14 @karim you should make a thread about it on the androidandme forums. i'm sure someone there will be able to explain why. Jul 25 08:16:34 talbot: the ram thing? not worth it Jul 25 08:17:08 i'm just gonna wait till someone get a custom kernel going for the device then ill bet things will change Jul 25 08:17:22 and swappiness, but it might just be one of those things we have to wait for "official support" Jul 25 08:18:09 i don't understand why do we need apps/scripts to get swap to work Jul 25 08:18:16 there should be native support Jul 25 08:18:57 there is if the partition is created properly, the apps just give you access to the system settings Jul 25 08:19:23 \o Jul 25 08:19:43 talbot: i'm pretty my partition was created properly... why wouldn't it i was using gnu parted Jul 25 08:21:33 i can't say unless i pulled it up in a linux machine. but i have had inconsistent results occasionally Jul 25 08:21:38 pretty and pretty sure* no homo. Jul 25 08:21:55 haha fbm Jul 25 08:22:22 Does anyone know where in the android source-tree I can find the phone-number-layout? I dont like the '1-234-567-8900' design.. Jul 25 08:22:38 and in the call-log etc Jul 25 08:22:59 theres an app to change that damme, i can't remember the name though Jul 25 08:23:13 Hmm Jul 25 08:23:17 i'm pretty sure that's a system setting too Jul 25 08:23:37 search for 'address book cleaner' or something Jul 25 08:23:59 my computer is running diags otherwise i'd look it up Jul 25 08:24:18 ok, thanks :) I'll try finding it Jul 25 08:26:47 <_yoyo> talbot: is there some config option to enable market? because they are from the same source code Jul 25 08:27:31 i couldn't find it. the market search is terrible compared to google's. it might have been removed by the dev too Jul 25 08:28:16 @yoyo: no there's not. if you want more info i suggest googling it. i've provided you with all the knowledge i have on the subject. Jul 25 08:29:41 <_yoyo> talbot: thanks Jul 25 08:29:48 np Jul 25 08:30:54 alright i'm finally feeling sleepy. i'll talk to yall later. Jul 25 08:41:23 what is the suggested method of installing Debian on Android? Jul 25 08:44:20 chroot ? Jul 25 08:44:39 what I meant was, which guide+img to use Jul 25 08:44:47 there are a few different ones Jul 25 08:45:25 http://www.newlc.com/en/forum/debian-support-linux-android Jul 25 08:58:08 hey is it possible to send a text message with google voice with a speech to txt function of some sort? Jul 25 09:14:18 = Jul 25 09:14:35 is there an app for g1 that will read your sms out when you get them Jul 25 09:17:41 Hi Jul 25 09:17:54 can someone help me with getting android to make me a wlan_loader Jul 25 09:18:07 in the image i built it doesn't contain wlan_loader Jul 25 09:18:36 i pulled the data and the system.img was successfully created Jul 25 09:28:55 facelessloser, just tried this and it worked http://www.cyrket.com/package/net.dview.freefoote.speakmessageservice Jul 25 09:29:28 thanks moonunit Jul 25 09:34:32 <_yoyo> can it can specify the window size not with fullscreen Jul 25 09:34:58 <_yoyo> can it specify the window size not with fullscreen when playing video on android? Jul 25 09:45:36 <_yoyo> what is the default window size in pvplayer? Jul 25 09:49:42 hi, i'm trying to root my magic. when i try "apply sdcard:update.zip" i get an error: Cant' mount /dev/block/mmcblk0 Jul 25 09:49:58 can i create this folder or did i skip something? Jul 25 09:50:56 hi bluespuke - keep trying Jul 25 09:51:07 often it takes a few seconds for the sdcard to mount properly Jul 25 09:51:24 that error typically means the sdcard hasn't been mounted yet Jul 25 09:52:04 ok Jul 25 09:53:51 Radix_: seems that it work now :D Jul 25 09:55:35 Installation from sdcard complete. should i reboot now? (the guide stops here and i don't want to make an error now ;-)) Jul 25 09:56:55 umm.. yeah.. probably a good idea ;) Jul 25 09:57:10 you might be waiting for a while if you don't.. as it's not going to do anymore ;) Jul 25 09:57:34 i guess yes, but i just wanna be sure ;) Jul 25 09:57:40 ;) Jul 25 09:59:02 hmmm now it still stuck at the first boot screen :( Jul 25 10:05:16 <_Auron_> god what the fuck Jul 25 10:06:01 bluespuke: what update did you actually install? and which magic do you have? Jul 25 10:06:35 i have a 32A and i tryed to use the jf rom Jul 25 10:06:39 _Auron_, still have the problem? Jul 25 10:06:55 i followed this guide: http://theunlockr.com/2009/07/08/how-to-root-your-htc-magic/ Jul 25 10:06:56 huh? which jf rom? Jul 25 10:07:05 <_Auron|G1_> with coming back after pressing home? yes Jul 25 10:07:09 JFv1.51_CRB43-EU Jul 25 10:07:48 is that the wrong one? Jul 25 10:08:00 for your phone, yes Jul 25 10:08:03 you have a 32A Jul 25 10:08:30 the JF 1.51 isn't even for your device, it's for the Dream Jul 25 10:08:51 o.O so why they told me that yesterday? :( Jul 25 10:08:58 You should still be able to drop the phone into recovery mode and reinstall Jul 25 10:09:03 who told you that? Jul 25 10:09:08 <_Auron|G1_> martin: why? Jul 25 10:09:10 I'd highly recommend you read the xda wiki Jul 25 10:09:30 _Auron|G1_ "god what the fuck" -> I assumed Jul 25 10:09:47 bluespuke: there's still a bunch of people on here who are dream owners and don't even ask which handset you have before giving out advice Jul 25 10:09:57 you follow them blindly and you'll brick your phone very quickly Jul 25 10:10:07 http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Sapphire_Hacking Jul 25 10:10:15 Go here and enlighten yourself Jul 25 10:10:27 <_Auron|G1_> oh. that was to android irc crashing after reconnecting after getting killed from disconnecting usb Jul 25 10:10:42 damn... Jul 25 10:10:50 bluespuke: I do know what I'm talking about too.. I also have a 32A handset and wrote the wiki ;) Jul 25 10:11:30 so what can i do to recover? Nandroid Backup 2.1? Jul 25 10:11:35 theres a list of roms which WILL work with your device too Jul 25 10:11:57 do you have a card reader on your pc? can you put another update.zip on the sdcard that way? Jul 25 10:12:11 oh yes, that can i do :D Jul 25 10:12:32 then just boot into fastboot again, and flash another rom on.. wipe first to make sure Jul 25 10:12:44 if you want a stock rom - go for daldroids - that works well Jul 25 10:12:52 but there's lots of others on that wiki page Jul 25 10:12:58 ok Jul 25 10:13:02 ty Radix_ Jul 25 10:13:07 np Jul 25 10:13:09 i'll go search my card reader Jul 25 10:13:12 <_Auron|G1_> and my neck and left shoulder blade are in a lot of pain and trying to get my app to not shit itself after pressing home and restoring it seems impossible Jul 25 10:13:19 <_Auron|G1_> have had an unhappy day Jul 25 10:17:57 what are the odds of bricking a G1 when trying to root it? Jul 25 10:18:47 I rooted my HTC Magic, and didn't brick it. Jul 25 10:20:58 heh, thanks, but thats a pretty small sample size :D Jul 25 10:27:59 James_B: that's not what your mother said Jul 25 10:31:17 har har Jul 25 10:47:04 anyone use aim to txt their google voice number? doesn't seem to work :( Jul 25 10:49:02 nm seems you can't use google voice with gateway services Jul 25 10:56:18 anyone have HTC Hero already? Jul 25 10:56:29 is it possible to turn off Sense UI? Jul 25 10:58:33 Radix_, you still there? Jul 25 10:59:23 any ideas why nandroid restore won't work? Jul 25 11:20:50 hi Jul 25 11:21:20 is there any site that hosts android applications? Jul 25 11:27:40 zeroflag: code.google.com hehehe Jul 25 11:42:32 <_KaiSoZ_> hi Jul 25 11:43:39 <_KaiSoZ_> hi zodttd2 Jul 25 11:52:59 make: *** No rule to make target `system/wlan/ti/wpa_supplicant_lib/../../../core/adb/shlist.c', needed by Jul 25 11:53:21 Anyone know what i need to put in BoardConfig.mk to get adb to work? Jul 25 11:57:39 i needed TARGET_SIMULATOR := true Jul 25 11:58:51 that adds more errors Jul 25 12:00:39 aaahhhh got it :D Jul 25 12:00:55 tyvm Radix_ for the text you wrote Jul 25 13:11:10 !seen JesusFreke Jul 25 13:11:14 hmmm Jul 25 13:11:23 your channel lacks a bot :-) Jul 25 13:12:56 hello Jul 25 13:13:31 is there a browser for android available thats bit faster and maybe with some more features? Jul 25 13:15:06 anyone interested in discussing an idea regarding compcach and page-cluster? Jul 25 13:15:46 where to get the market apps from the internet? (to apply with adb) Jul 25 13:16:50 <_Andrew> you download the apk file and then run "adb install /path/on/your/desktop/program.apk Jul 25 13:17:19 _Andrew: Yes, he wants to know where to find them on the net. Jul 25 13:17:47 "Is there a web-version of the Android Marketplace, where I can download .apk files to my harddrive?" is what he means, I assume Jul 25 13:18:45 <_Andrew> http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=filetype%3Aapk+android&btnG=Search&meta= Jul 25 13:21:44 _Andrew: I'm trying to find the app that screws up the superuser permissions app from the JF image Jul 25 13:37:10 <_KaiSoZ_> hi Jul 25 14:06:14 ergh Jul 25 14:06:24 i can't find a doc that tells you how to do custom products :) Jul 25 14:06:36 and i made one that boot loops but yet the identicle original dosn't Jul 25 14:06:37 :/ Jul 25 14:07:42 and I have no idea how to debug boot loops in this silly boot environment Jul 25 14:16:43 hey anyone around who's willing to help me out a bit Jul 25 14:16:52 I"ve got a G1 dev phone running JF1.51 Jul 25 14:17:00 it seems to be in a boot loop Jul 25 14:17:23 i'm an MCSE tech, so i'd say reformat reinstall. :) Jul 25 14:17:33 goes from the android (with the green robot) screen to the other android screen, to the no service Jul 25 14:17:36 lol Jul 25 14:17:39 (that's how i'd fix my phone, anyway) Jul 25 14:17:49 then stalls for a bit (not responsive to menu to unlock), then goes back to the second android screen Jul 25 14:18:11 Yuki: I'm not opposed to doing that, I've made regular nandroid backups Jul 25 14:18:28 what's the best way of doing so? Alt-W from the JF system recover utility? Jul 25 14:18:50 yes Jul 25 14:18:54 alt-w, then it should work Jul 25 14:18:54 :) Jul 25 14:18:57 i hope Jul 25 14:18:58 heh Jul 25 14:19:00 oy Jul 25 14:19:58 any other ideas? Jul 25 14:20:44 JesusFreke: you around/ Jul 25 14:20:45 ? Jul 25 14:24:40 jesus Jul 25 14:24:57 I absolutely NEEDED a copy of my drivers license or I would be royally fucked Jul 25 14:25:02 but I have no copy machine/scanner Jul 25 14:25:21 so I pulled out the G1, adjusted the settings as much as I could Jul 25 14:25:29 could not get a decent readable pic no matter what Jul 25 14:25:29 haha Jul 25 14:25:42 then I actually PRESSED the button Jul 25 14:25:43 and wow Jul 25 14:25:57 yea Jul 25 14:26:03 that camera can physically move its lense to focuse Jul 25 14:26:05 focus Jul 25 14:26:06 :P Jul 25 14:26:24 yeah but I thought there was no way it could fix it that much Jul 25 14:26:29 Gary|tp: try tiled-capturing :D Jul 25 14:26:38 all of the letters were just a blur, wasn't readable at all Jul 25 14:26:42 haha Jul 25 14:26:42 yea Jul 25 14:26:46 i have a barcode reader Jul 25 14:26:54 you can hear the camera clicking and working and shit Jul 25 14:26:56 see the focusing happening Jul 25 14:26:57 it's crazy Jul 25 14:27:08 so, care to explain about why you needed a license copy? :D Jul 25 14:27:24 I need to open a bank account, fast Jul 25 14:27:25 lol Jul 25 14:27:28 long story Jul 25 14:27:39 i've been in a situation like that Jul 25 14:27:42 but it was strictly non-legal Jul 25 14:27:50 :) Jul 25 14:27:54 :) Jul 25 14:28:01 well I'm not sure if what I've done so far is legal or not Jul 25 14:28:20 I am supposed to print out this sheet, sign it, attach a copy of my SSC and ID to it and mail/fax it to them Jul 25 14:28:31 but? I have no fax machine, mail would take ages, no printer, no scanner. Jul 25 14:28:44 online fax service Jul 25 14:28:48 like $1 to send it Jul 25 14:28:51 prep it in photoshop? Jul 25 14:28:55 yeah but I still had to sign it :p Jul 25 14:28:58 exactly what I did lol Jul 25 14:29:09 copied the signature off my SSC, doctored it a bit, and bam Jul 25 14:30:25 other than that what I'm doing is legal Jul 25 14:30:26 I guess Jul 25 14:30:33 oh Jul 25 14:30:34 okay Jul 25 14:30:41 I thought you might have been doing something else Jul 25 14:31:12 patriot act is a bitch tho Jul 25 14:31:58 before I could have just been all "you do not need my SSN in order to open a bank account. so why are you asking for it?", "we use it to identify you", "you do know that's a felony right", ".... ok we'll see what we can do for you." Jul 25 14:45:27 anyone know how to ignore joins , parts , leaves and nickchanges in androidirc ? Jul 25 14:46:07 lianj, what is tiled capturing btw? Jul 25 14:47:27 shiznebit, i never ignore those! it's vital information! :) Jul 25 14:47:49 Gary|tp: http://www.mesa3d.org/brianp/tiles.jpg Jul 25 14:48:37 yuki, not vital if its just taking up space Jul 25 14:48:43 hence the :) Jul 25 14:48:45 it was a joke Jul 25 14:48:46 heh Jul 25 14:48:57 i'm going to code my own irc client eventually Jul 25 14:49:29 yuki oh i didn't see the :) Jul 25 14:54:05 shiznebit: well .. seems like your irc client can at least ignore smileys then. That's a good start :P Jul 25 14:54:50 heh :-) Jul 25 14:55:22 FFFFFFFFFFFFF Jul 25 14:55:27 90% of my swap utilized Jul 25 14:55:31 i have a 2GB swap partition Jul 25 14:55:31 :'( Jul 25 14:55:37 somewhere, there seems to be a leak Jul 25 14:55:51 whats your swappiness Jul 25 14:56:03 shiznebit, this is my laptop, not my dream. :D Jul 25 14:56:29 i could stand to use another 2GB of physical ram, apparently (I only have 1GB physical) Jul 25 14:56:52 is all your ram used ? Jul 25 14:57:17 yes Jul 25 14:57:18 heh Jul 25 14:57:22 i just built android Jul 25 14:57:25 ALL YOUR RAMS ARE BELONG TO US Jul 25 14:57:27 it's going down to sane levels now Jul 25 14:57:27 :P Jul 25 14:57:35 okay Jul 25 14:57:38 new build target works Jul 25 14:57:38 w00t Jul 25 14:57:45 Ewon, the ram is a lie Jul 25 14:57:54 can i use fastboot to read a partition back ? Jul 25 14:58:04 er, back it up Jul 25 14:59:20 w00t! ! !! Jul 25 14:59:41 Yuki: i think shiznebit referred to /proc/sys/vm/swappiness Jul 25 14:59:59 i know, but usally when people refer to swappiness they're thinking of settings on the phone Jul 25 15:00:00 ;) Jul 25 15:00:12 and i'm set at 60, of course Jul 25 15:00:31 ;) Jul 25 15:01:46 get more ram :) then set it 0 :) Jul 25 15:02:51 haha Jul 25 15:02:52 hrm Jul 25 15:02:57 i never looked at that part of the code Jul 25 15:03:07 if i set it to zero, does it just not swap ? :) Jul 25 15:03:18 that'd be stupid, but i wouldn't put it past alan Jul 25 15:03:46 hi - my gprs/hsdpa connection is very unstable and slow on my polaris, running android, fine in windows, any ideas why? Jul 25 15:05:13 yuki if its at 0 it will swap, just only when you have used up every single ram resource Jul 25 15:05:23 that' what i thought Jul 25 15:05:34 but i tend to stay away from memory management code in the kernel :D Jul 25 15:09:12 w00t Jul 25 15:09:15 just flashed my first live build Jul 25 15:09:16 :D Jul 25 15:10:03 <|Rain|> so I've built bionic and have crtbegin_static.o, but I haven't figured out how to make it build crtbegin_dynamic.o Jul 25 15:10:45 oh no Jul 25 15:10:47 oh no oh no Jul 25 15:10:52 please don't be boot looping Jul 25 15:10:59 you worked in the emulator! :'( Jul 25 15:11:05 NOOOOOOOO Jul 25 15:11:49 :( Jul 25 15:12:06 dont remove the power cord, will cause it too brick Jul 25 15:12:13 shiznebit, why would it do that? Jul 25 15:12:29 why would removing power brick it? Jul 25 15:13:11 well im not sure if it will Jul 25 15:13:15 try it ! Jul 25 15:13:33 i pulled battery to reset it Jul 25 15:13:35 i'm saying Jul 25 15:13:37 why would it? Jul 25 15:13:54 did a data wipe from recovery, should hopefully fix boot loop Jul 25 15:13:55 lol Jul 25 15:14:10 yes, yes, YES IT DID Jul 25 15:14:13 damn betawareeee Jul 25 15:14:13 forgot to do a wipe Jul 25 15:14:13 :P Jul 25 15:14:14 but anyway Jul 25 15:14:18 FIXXXEEDD Jul 25 15:14:49 i can't copy/paste the set of lines i just said on another network here to show you my happiness Jul 25 15:15:10 but needless to say it was about six lines max length of "holy FUCCKKKK" Jul 25 15:15:19 ... er Jul 25 15:15:20 wow Jul 25 15:15:24 thank god you can't copy/paste Jul 25 15:15:26 sorry about that... not even thinking Jul 25 15:15:33 i said can't because of language Jul 25 15:15:36 but then i did it anyway Jul 25 15:15:46 because i'm an idiot Jul 25 15:15:51 eh Jul 25 15:16:01 well i think langauge here is generally ignored Jul 25 15:16:17 shiznebit, depends on what ops are reading at the time Jul 25 15:16:23 and what mood they're in Jul 25 15:16:41 strong language is definitely discouraged, but they're usually pretty lenient Jul 25 15:16:43 i'm very happy Jul 25 15:17:09 this channel thankfully doesn't have the fmaily-safe logo Jul 25 15:18:10 i'm more then a little happy Jul 25 15:18:14 now development can begin in ernest Jul 25 15:18:53 http://shop.orange.co.uk/mobile-phones/htc-hero-in-graphite Jul 25 15:18:59 I guess it came out ^^ Jul 25 15:19:38 lol Jul 25 15:19:49 just need an american version :D Jul 25 15:21:30 am running 17 processes including the music player and still no lag Jul 25 15:21:36 heh Jul 25 15:21:39 on what? Jul 25 15:21:48 Falcon4ever, the US version would probably have 192MB RAM (again) :( Jul 25 15:22:04 on the g1 Jul 25 15:22:28 KNY: :< Jul 25 15:22:29 brb dinner Jul 25 15:22:40 i even have Jul 25 15:22:54 I even have top command running Jul 25 15:23:44 hey, i recently flashed to the jf img, i use jf updater which says no updates but the updater keeps coming up with update for security fix from google. is this gonna break my root access should i allow the update? Jul 25 15:24:03 but this is just for testing. to see how resilient my settings are Jul 25 15:24:58 wow, free show, 56mb swap being used Jul 25 15:26:30 jduggan, http://jf.andblogs.net/2009/07/19/otas-in-jfv1-51/ Jul 25 15:26:49 rebuilding Jul 25 15:27:10 twois10, share everything you know! :D Jul 25 15:27:23 i dont know anything Jul 25 15:27:41 you don't know what you did to your phone? :) Jul 25 15:28:46 am just answering your question Jul 25 15:30:04 hah Jul 25 15:30:44 am just playing with the ram Jul 25 15:31:55 ugh Jul 25 15:31:59 how do i force it to regenerate the images? Jul 25 15:33:26 guess i gotta redo the whole build each time, oh well Jul 25 15:35:21 <|Rain|> aHA, the build system switches to the toplevel directory before building... 'mm out/target/product/dream-open/obj/lib/crtbegin_dynamic.o' got me what I needed Jul 25 15:49:23 can you have an android phone, with just one physical button like the iphone? Jul 25 15:50:32 i don't see why not Jul 25 15:50:36 it'd be clunky and odd Jul 25 15:50:48 and some features programs expect wouldn't work, probably Jul 25 15:50:52 like back vs home functions Jul 25 15:54:45 so how many buttons are minimum? Jul 25 15:55:54 fariseo, I believe the five buttons are considered platform features Jul 25 15:56:08 in other words: five ;) Jul 25 15:57:14 <|Rain|> you could always write some way to map another input device to the functions (e.g. some gesture on the touchscreen to go back), although it'd be mildly hackish and prevent applications from using that same gesture Jul 25 15:58:06 <|Rain|> but I would argue that the iphone's low button count is not a feature worth replicating :P Jul 25 15:59:04 Eh. different input method and different UI system, I liked it. Jul 25 15:59:12 less shit for me to break Jul 25 16:00:07 <|Rain|> there's also the button on the top of the iphone that could serve as one of the standard buttons (maybe back or hangup) Jul 25 16:00:18 the lock button, you mean? Jul 25 16:00:21 er, switch Jul 25 16:00:28 <|Rain|> yeah Jul 25 16:00:43 that's not considered a function buttion, though, but it can be used as one, it hink Jul 25 16:00:44 think Jul 25 16:01:00 <|Rain|> the closest mapping to android would be the hangup button, I think Jul 25 16:01:23 that's not even close Jul 25 16:01:28 that button just shuts off all input to the phone Jul 25 16:01:33 i think Jul 25 16:01:41 i forget exactly.. even though i had one for a year (and still miss it ) :) Jul 25 16:01:52 <|Rain|> shuts off input and suspends Jul 25 16:01:59 <|Rain|> which is what the hangup button does if you're not on a call Jul 25 16:02:02 oh hello Jul 25 16:02:05 <|Rain|> }-{ellote Jul 25 16:03:06 i suppose Jul 25 16:03:27 <|Rain|> zinx: I finally have dropbear half-built :P the only patch I found isn't even close to applying to the version in the git tree, though, so I'm just gonna re-hack it Jul 25 16:03:32 heh Jul 25 16:03:44 |Rain|: heh, the dropbear git tree? Jul 25 16:03:54 fastboot flashall ! Jul 25 16:03:55 :D Jul 25 16:04:04 Yuki: i use that.. never Jul 25 16:04:14 usually a boot.img/system.img is plenty :/ Jul 25 16:04:14 <|Rain|> zinx: there's a copy of dropbear in the android tree, but only the ssh client is normally built (it's in external/) Jul 25 16:04:25 |Rain|: ah, so the server wasn't patched? Jul 25 16:04:30 <|Rain|> correct Jul 25 16:04:35 zinx, but it takes less time to say flashall Jul 25 16:04:36 :P Jul 25 16:04:46 and it even autoreboots for me Jul 25 16:04:46 :D Jul 25 16:04:50 Yuki: but you overwrite your precious userdata Jul 25 16:04:53 and how long does it take to jtag your g1? Jul 25 16:04:58 zinx, actually, it dosn't. Jul 25 16:04:59 :P Jul 25 16:05:13 Yuki: ok.. you overwrite your precious recovery image? :X Jul 25 16:05:23 zinx, i have a copy of the recovery image as a .img :p Jul 25 16:05:40 all i have to do is reflash that .img and restore a nandroid backup from my sdcard to get it back to my "precious working state" Jul 25 16:05:41 tmzt: including the time it takes you to reverse engineer the JTAG interface, or not including that? Jul 25 16:06:10 in the meantime i'm using my wing with WM 6.5 Jul 25 16:06:18 eww Jul 25 16:06:23 i'll stick with Android Jul 25 16:06:34 yea, well, i'm in hectic development mode Jul 25 16:06:35 so Jul 25 16:06:35 w/e Jul 25 16:06:36 :D Jul 25 16:08:29 why didn't it take the changes i made to system.prop?! Jul 25 16:16:42 * snadge is tired Jul 25 16:20:13 if i want to make changes Jul 25 16:20:17 to default system parts Jul 25 16:20:33 ergo init.rc and whatnot that aren't covered by the files in vendor/htc/mystuff-open Jul 25 16:20:53 i guess i actually have to make the changes to the files in the tree, eh? Jul 25 16:25:35 Yuki: if you want to make changes to init.rc, you have to edit the boot image Jul 25 16:33:13 edit the resulting image? Jul 25 16:33:20 I can't force changes in the build process? Jul 25 16:35:31 and somehow, in the HTC build, it includes that system.prop file in the dir.... i made changes and they weren't reflected in the new build Jul 25 16:35:34 oi, i'm so confused Jul 25 16:35:35 :) Jul 25 16:36:48 ... 'su: permission denied' :( Jul 25 16:36:55 guess i have to build engineering to allow root? Jul 25 16:38:17 <_Andrew> Anyone know if you flash to an old image, get root and then flash to cup cake if you still have root access? Jul 25 16:38:28 if it's a rooted cupcake image Jul 25 16:38:28 :) Jul 25 16:39:26 make dataclean might help? Jul 25 16:39:27 hrm Jul 25 16:39:40 I really really need some help PLEASE! Jul 25 16:40:25 I have tried to jailbreak my phone and now it is just sitting at the ANDROID splash screen Jul 25 16:40:33 oops Jul 25 16:40:40 oh nice we're getting donut snapshots again Jul 25 16:40:51 cyanogen, oh ? new?! Jul 25 16:40:57 http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/packages/apps/Phone.git;a=commit;h=d0186c7318911be3fcf424ac8c4e05eeb80b733f Jul 25 16:41:01 how can I fix this Jul 25 16:41:05 only thing so far it looks like Jul 25 16:41:28 ah, drop-in-progress then? Jul 25 16:42:22 Hello anyone here that can help me?? Jul 25 16:42:39 hah and they added multitouch to the kernel Jul 25 16:42:41 woo Jul 25 16:42:44 Input: synaptics_i2c_rmi: Send new multi touch events Jul 25 16:43:05 PEOPLE Jul 25 16:44:21 <_Andrew> Sgleaton: How long has it been like that Jul 25 16:44:27 actually Jul 25 16:44:34 anyone know what the odds of bricking a G1 from rooting it is? Jul 25 16:44:35 there is quite a lot of new donut stuff Jul 25 16:44:36 hmmmm! Jul 25 16:45:10 om nom nom Jul 25 16:45:21 i was looking at installing a Cyanogen ROM, i like the idea of multi touch and app2sd, but im worried about nixxing the phone Jul 25 16:45:26 oh dear Jul 25 16:45:38 my rom turns g1's into ashes Jul 25 16:45:48 spontaneous combustion Jul 25 16:45:55 it wasnt your rom i was specifically worried about Jul 25 16:45:56 cyanogen, so that's what happened to my first 12 G1s Jul 25 16:45:59 just flashing in general Jul 25 16:46:00 i'm implicated in several lawsuits Jul 25 16:46:07 it started this a moment ago Jul 25 16:46:13 I thought they blew up from my awesome Jul 25 16:46:14 cyanogen ur rom rocks Jul 25 16:46:15 BUT IT WAS JUST YOU Jul 25 16:46:19 running the latest now Jul 25 16:46:20 :) Jul 25 16:46:22 <_Andrew> Sgleaton: Give it a while Jul 25 16:46:32 i have a remote detonate function in the rom Jul 25 16:46:34 how long Jul 25 16:46:38 FFFFFFFFFFF Jul 25 16:46:39 lol Jul 25 16:46:49 DONT MAKE ME PRESS THIS BUTTON Jul 25 16:46:55 cyanogen, this is pissing me off. copied the dream-open dir Jul 25 16:47:01 my master plan is all coming together Jul 25 16:47:05 modified the files to point at the right thing, changed the name Jul 25 16:47:16 did lunch mine_open-user Jul 25 16:47:21 built it, it worked, sent it to the phone Jul 25 16:47:23 did a make clean Jul 25 16:47:36 <_Andrew> Sgleaton: It took my G1 a long time before coming back. The best option isn't to do anything which could screw it up like taking out the battery Jul 25 16:47:38 How long should it take _Andrew Jul 25 16:47:39 i appreciate the fact hat alot of people are running your rom with no issues, as i said, it wasnt ROM specific troubles i was worried about, just the reflashing in general Jul 25 16:47:50 modified system.prop in the mine-open dir Jul 25 16:47:56 and it refuses to apply the changes to the final built system Jul 25 16:47:58 i just wish the hero theme would work on cyanogen's latest rom Jul 25 16:47:59 :/ Jul 25 16:48:02 what stupid mistake did i do? :) Jul 25 16:48:08 gets stuck at the G1 screen Jul 25 16:48:11 can I take it back to the origianl and then do the hack again Jul 25 16:48:17 not sure i hate the build system Jul 25 16:48:20 haha Jul 25 16:48:33 it has now been about 5 mins and still nothing Jul 25 16:48:37 ahh fuck Jul 25 16:48:41 cyanogen, do you make changes to system.prop (or is it build.prop on the device?) before or after build? Jul 25 16:48:44 there is so much new code in the repository Jul 25 16:48:49 thanks google :) Jul 25 16:48:50 haha Jul 25 16:48:59 time to get our donuts on? :D Jul 25 16:48:59 sweet, new build coming soon? Jul 25 16:49:09 yeah its time to get our donuts on Jul 25 16:49:16 repo sync'ing now Jul 25 16:49:31 cyanogen, is the drop done yet? :) Jul 25 16:50:09 been playing with the sherpa app Jul 25 16:50:10 how long does it take to get this thing working Jul 25 16:50:15 it looks like it Jul 25 16:50:21 not all that much of a "huge" deal that tmobile is making it to be Jul 25 16:50:22 :/ Jul 25 16:50:24 some are the infamous "donut snapshot" balls of mud Jul 25 16:50:28 and some are nice smooth merges Jul 25 16:51:26 just got ur tweet Jul 25 16:51:27 :/ Jul 25 16:51:54 somebody please help me Jul 25 16:51:59 wow Jul 25 16:52:02 I am freaking out here Jul 25 16:52:07 there are some NICE things in here Jul 25 16:52:22 * cyanogen hugs the googlers Jul 25 16:53:16 oh wow i'm going to have a busy weekend Jul 25 16:53:25 yay Jul 25 16:53:26 wife is on vacation for 3 days, and there is a donut drop Jul 25 16:53:27 new rom Jul 25 16:53:28 ! Jul 25 16:53:28 is there no one on here nice enough to help Jul 25 16:53:56 whats the problem? Jul 25 16:54:28 cyanogen, what's goin' on? Jul 25 16:54:32 what do you see? :) Jul 25 16:58:12 hey guys ! Jul 25 16:58:22 can someone help me with a listview-problem ? Jul 25 16:58:49 full vpn support Jul 25 16:58:50 sweet Jul 25 16:59:29 The problem - tried haking the G1 and now it will not get past the ANDROID flash screen Jul 25 16:59:55 can you boot into recovery mode? Jul 25 17:00:04 or, have you tried? Jul 25 17:00:10 power + camera? Jul 25 17:00:17 or power + home Jul 25 17:00:29 cyanogen: what leads to your rom being described as "fast"? what do you do differently? Jul 25 17:00:34 hrm Jul 25 17:00:37 this has mtp support Jul 25 17:00:43 power+ home AFAIK Jul 25 17:00:53 no more having to mount as a a disk for music Jul 25 17:00:55 i really shouldnt be doling out advice here Jul 25 17:00:57 what is AFAIK Jul 25 17:01:03 nazguul81: #android-dev might be better Jul 25 17:01:04 as far as i know Jul 25 17:01:04 I am learning this stuff Jul 25 17:01:11 i got an activity, in its layout there's a listview. in activitie's oncreate() i get a reference to the listview with findviewbyid(), create a listview adapter and do listview.setadapter(adapter). this line runs well, but after oncreate() i get a notfoundexception in resource.java ... Jul 25 17:01:24 tmzt: kernel tweaks really Jul 25 17:01:36 like? Jul 25 17:01:36 no go on the power + home Jul 25 17:01:40 tmzt: they aren't really faster, but latency is lower Jul 25 17:02:02 faster response on cpu frequency scaling is a big one Jul 25 17:02:09 ok Jul 25 17:02:14 cgroups Jul 25 17:02:28 by user/pid? Jul 25 17:02:38 uid Jul 25 17:02:39 James where can I go to fix this if you are not comfortable giving info here Jul 25 17:02:42 no by the type of task that android considers it Jul 25 17:02:49 the code was from the old donut snap Jul 25 17:02:50 wonder if anyone will do a daily donut video review Jul 25 17:03:00 background/normal/foreground/etc Jul 25 17:03:08 okay Jul 25 17:03:18 umm Jul 25 17:03:27 i compress the apks differently Jul 25 17:03:28 Sgleaton: what i meant was i shouldnt be giving out advice, cos i have only flashed my device with the legit ROMS Jul 25 17:03:28 didn't think cgroups was fully supported in 2.6.29 Jul 25 17:03:31 what else, i dunno :) Jul 25 17:03:37 no idea anyone ? Jul 25 17:03:38 why compress at all? Jul 25 17:03:41 but what do you mean? Jul 25 17:03:52 aapt lets you specify dirs to exclude Jul 25 17:04:00 so i exclude a couple that are already compressed Jul 25 17:04:06 usually res/raw and res/drawable Jul 25 17:04:18 ah, so store only for pngs Jul 25 17:04:21 yeah Jul 25 17:04:22 makes sense Jul 25 17:04:28 pngs are zlibbed :) Jul 25 17:04:37 i run optipng on all of them Jul 25 17:05:03 if it's that slow maybe tga or xpm would be faster Jul 25 17:05:05 hm Jul 25 17:05:07 hard to believe though Jul 25 17:05:23 or 565 bitmaps Jul 25 17:05:38 romainguy: any ideas here? have you seen this? Jul 25 17:06:21 donut has gestures Jul 25 17:06:35 wow Jul 25 17:06:38 this is gonna be siiick Jul 25 17:06:58 hell ya111 Jul 25 17:06:59 !!! Jul 25 17:07:00 @!#$!#$% Jul 25 17:07:03 what kind of gestures Jul 25 17:07:08 cyanogen, how long you think to turn out a rom? Jul 25 17:07:19 i dunno if it even builds arejay Jul 25 17:07:21 cyanogen, where are you reading this from, where is googles repo Jul 25 17:07:23 seems he's already ahead of CRM Jul 25 17:07:24 still wating for repo sync Jul 25 17:07:29 android.git.kernel.org Jul 25 17:07:37 where would I go to report an error in the documentation? Jul 25 17:07:38 or CRC Jul 25 17:07:53 you want to look thru the "donut" branches, not master Jul 25 17:08:04 I d like to know Jul 25 17:08:06 some of these are monster merges Jul 25 17:08:08 annoying Jul 25 17:08:09 people that hack phones Jul 25 17:08:17 how many phones do they break Jul 25 17:08:22 before they are successful Jul 25 17:08:40 zelrikriando: the idea is to always know how to recover Jul 25 17:08:42 android phones are pretty unbreakable unless you are fucking with the boot loader Jul 25 17:08:47 if you do that hopefully none Jul 25 17:08:49 or radio Jul 25 17:08:56 <|Rain|> shade! Jul 25 17:08:58 <|Rain|> you smarmy bastard Jul 25 17:09:01 hah rain Jul 25 17:09:04 i remember joo :) Jul 25 17:09:09 <|Rain|> good :P Jul 25 17:09:15 cyanogen: a lot of people are fucking with the bootloader Jul 25 17:09:17 or do things like plug in usb and mess with audio routing at a very low level (someone did that on touch pro) Jul 25 17:09:41 yeah, if you take haykuro's hacked spl and flash it with the wrong radio Jul 25 17:09:44 how do you look thru the donut branch on that site Jul 25 17:09:44 you will brick your phone Jul 25 17:09:51 unfixable without jtag Jul 25 17:10:03 I flashed my spl Jul 25 17:10:12 but at the time I didnt know the risks Jul 25 17:10:16 hardspl + cyanogens recovery here Jul 25 17:10:21 I was lucky it didnt break Jul 25 17:10:25 you flashed cmonex's, she tests hers Jul 25 17:10:34 repo sync is done :) Jul 25 17:10:37 or some variant of it Jul 25 17:10:40 yay :) Jul 25 17:10:48 tweet if it builds! Jul 25 17:10:56 glad i hacked mine when only JF build were out, would be too scared to now Jul 25 17:11:04 if you where trying to modifiy it at the machine code level you might be in trouble, unless you're very good Jul 25 17:11:09 and don't make a mistake Jul 25 17:11:11 retweet spam Jul 25 17:11:14 s overy, very, good Jul 25 17:11:44 cyanogen: what shoudl I look at, which frameworks? Jul 25 17:11:52 just kernel? Jul 25 17:12:12 build/core/main.mk:450: *** No TARGET_CPU_ABI defined by board config: . Stop. Jul 25 17:12:13 hmm Jul 25 17:12:47 CPU_ARMV6NOVFP or something like that should me selected by MACH_TROUT (or sapp) Jul 25 17:12:50 hold on Jul 25 17:13:15 How do I get root on the G1? Jul 25 17:13:24 something I dont like about the regular interface of android Jul 25 17:13:37 is that sliding button on the bottom Jul 25 17:13:42 cyanogen: odd, can't find it Jul 25 17:13:52 freenose: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442480 Jul 25 17:14:03 armeabi is fine Jul 25 17:14:19 oh, android build system Jul 25 17:14:20 actually it looks like a drawer Jul 25 17:14:21 not kernel Jul 25 17:14:26 I dont like it Jul 25 17:14:39 James_B: I mean root in terminal emulator/shell Jul 25 17:15:11 love building android on 8 cores Jul 25 17:16:08 Is there a quick app to change the status bar black for rooted phones without editing .png manually? Jul 25 17:16:10 gah I should go now Jul 25 17:16:12 seems like the build is pretty broken Jul 25 17:16:12 bye all Jul 25 17:16:39 jbq: something wrong with buildsystem in donut? Jul 25 17:16:49 maybe wait a few hours Jul 25 17:16:52 for some more committs Jul 25 17:16:53 ? Jul 25 17:17:01 cyanogen: thanks for all your work! I appreciate all your mods!!! Jul 25 17:17:14 me too Jul 25 17:17:24 so there including multitouch in donut, nice. Jul 25 17:18:26 nvm the build works Jul 25 17:18:32 my environment is setup for uclibc :) Jul 25 17:18:38 oh Jul 25 17:18:50 compilerfail Jul 25 17:19:02 what compiler do you use? Jul 25 17:19:23 i had it set to the one in buildroot for uclibc Jul 25 17:19:29 yeah this works now Jul 25 17:19:36 experimenting? Jul 25 17:19:53 is it faster than bionic or something? Jul 25 17:20:03 i have a hard time compiling some things with bionic Jul 25 17:20:15 i always try bionic first Jul 25 17:20:30 still can't get ncurses to build a shared library on bionic Jul 25 17:23:45 when run 'top' it scrolls down all the way to bottom and can't the display, Jul 25 17:23:59 can't see the top data Jul 25 17:24:10 echo $TERM Jul 25 17:24:50 tmzt: blank Jul 25 17:25:05 export TERM=linux Jul 25 17:25:06 try that Jul 25 17:25:14 or export TERM=vt100 Jul 25 17:25:15 tmzt: you know how to get root in term? Jul 25 17:25:22 sudo -s ? Jul 25 17:25:30 or su - Jul 25 17:25:37 I get permission denied Jul 25 17:25:43 then no Jul 25 17:25:54 your sudo/su is broken Jul 25 17:26:06 or you have to press some notification thing Jul 25 17:32:43 is there anyway to restore a nandroid backup without fastboot? I can't get the driver to install on 64 bit Windows 7 Jul 25 17:32:46 :( Jul 25 17:33:04 if you can flash the correct recovery in an update.zip Jul 25 17:33:19 is there a tutorial somewhere that describes that process? Jul 25 17:34:04 hardware/msm7k/libaudio/AudioHardware.cpp:886: error: cannot allocate an object of abstract type 'android::AudioHardware' Jul 25 17:34:07 meh Jul 25 17:34:17 you can download the xp mode virtual machine pezhore maybe try that Jul 25 17:34:44 hmm that's a good idea Jul 25 17:34:47 odd Jul 25 17:34:58 they use a closed version of libaudio though I think Jul 25 17:35:00 I'll give that a shot moonunit Jul 25 17:35:21 otherwise I can wait until monday and do it at work (I've got 32bit at work and fastboot works fine) Jul 25 17:35:23 I hope you don't has as much trouble as we do (on touch pro, etc.) Jul 25 17:36:39 doesn't look like the msm7k repo has been updated Jul 25 17:37:08 guess i should build generic first Jul 25 17:44:09 wpa enterprise support Jul 25 17:44:15 vpn support Jul 25 17:44:23 automated backups Jul 25 17:44:26 multitouch Jul 25 17:44:29 cdma Jul 25 17:44:54 search integrated into everything Jul 25 17:45:03 gestures Jul 25 17:45:49 * nperry hug cyanogen Jul 25 17:45:53 <|Rain|> New Hotness Jul 25 17:46:24 <|Rain|> I wonder what the donut roadmap looks like Jul 25 17:46:32 looks like a LOT of performance tweaks Jul 25 17:46:32 <|Rain|> since the one on source.android.com still talks about cupcake coming out Jul 25 17:46:47 can someone tell me the difference in the ADP and other version of 1.51 Jul 25 17:51:57 Sgleaton: You mean the changes in the SDK tool :s Jul 25 17:52:25 more in the way of what each does and which should I use Jul 25 17:52:40 Sorry not sure i follow you Jul 25 17:53:07 is there a difference in what each does? Jul 25 17:53:22 What between SDK versions? Jul 25 17:53:24 is there a way to change the status bar color to black? Jul 25 17:53:52 I guess that is what I mean Jul 25 17:54:18 mainly how do I know which version I should use Jul 25 17:54:40 what gives me the more bang for the buck so to speake Jul 25 17:55:20 Ah we're talking about rom's here, my bad :P Jul 25 17:55:26 Ignore me :) Jul 25 17:55:30 camera app has TONS of new features Jul 25 17:55:36 you are alright Jul 25 17:55:43 such as? Jul 25 17:55:50 To be honest the best rom to get more bang for ur buck is cyanogen Jul 25 17:55:56 I know what I am wanting but don't know how to put it in words Jul 25 17:56:04 Which is a heavily moddified version of ADP 1.51 Jul 25 17:56:15 and still gives root access Jul 25 17:56:27 Sgleaton: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537204 Jul 25 17:56:50 I was wondering can anybody help me out with this question? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1182620/android-textview-in-view Jul 25 18:09:16 Install system fs image: out/target/product/generic/system.img Jul 25 18:09:20 booting emulator Jul 25 18:09:28 I love my G1, but was doing side by side comparisons of website surfing with a friends brand new ipone to a wide variety of pages (phpmyadmin on my server, facebook, weather underground, etc.) and the iphone rendered and displayed the page in about 1/4 of the time the G1 took. any ideas why? In the case of phpmyadmin, my G1 never did finish rendering the page. This was using multiple browser windows. CPU perhaps? Jul 25 18:09:29 emulator explodes Jul 25 18:09:35 boooom Jul 25 18:09:39 big badda boom Jul 25 18:10:15 heh.. me inbox ect newsletter.. How Long Can AT&T Keep Its Beloved Ball and Chain? Paul Hartsock 07/24/09 9:24 AM PT Apple and AT&T remain partners on the iPhone in the U.S., but how long will the marriage last? The phone maker's doing quite fine, judging by its most recent quarter, yet shouldering the iPhone is burdening the carrier's pocketbook as well as its network. Jul 25 18:10:40 timing is everything tripps hehe Jul 25 18:10:50 Hi guys, just now and for the 3rd of 4th time in the last 2-3 weeks (and before I applied the 1.5 security patch even) i've caught my phone (not rooted) randomly reboot itself and I don't know why. Has anybody seen this before or have any idea what it might be causing it? Jul 25 18:10:53 tripps: I believe (but I'm not positive) that the g1 renders the whole page. the iphone only renders what is displayed (and then renders the new stuff as the user scrolls the page) Jul 25 18:11:01 but like I said, I'm not 100% positive about that Jul 25 18:11:01 tripps: both iphone / your g1 were on 3g? Jul 25 18:11:17 emulator is swt based now? Jul 25 18:11:20 tech9iner, yes both on G3 Jul 25 18:11:32 nm always was Jul 25 18:11:44 tripps: was just watching a pbs tech show like 2 days ago where the showed exact opposite.. g1 beat the iphone loading pages.. ? Jul 25 18:12:13 JesusFreke, I could scroll around the page and zoom in/out very quickly and navigate even before my G1 displayed anything. it was quite a stark difference Jul 25 18:12:17 *theY showed Jul 25 18:12:43 almost seems the G1 slowed down after 1.5 r2 updated Jul 25 18:12:46 tripps: first generation iphone? or their new one? Jul 25 18:12:50 cupcake was nice Jul 25 18:12:55 tech9iner, brand new one Jul 25 18:13:19 tripps: arent the new ones on the 3GS ? Jul 25 18:13:25 stux: android reboots on kernel panics, it's not necessarily a hardware thing Jul 25 18:13:32 I seriously doubt if r2 affect anything speed related. it was a tiny patch (only/mostly security related) Jul 25 18:13:32 tech9iner, that's why I was curious if it was a hardware issue. iphone probably has faster CPU? Jul 25 18:13:41 tech9iner, yes Jul 25 18:13:49 I guess they had a reason but I wonder how many g1's were returned because of panic=0 Jul 25 18:13:57 iirc 3gs = bit faster bandwidth no? Jul 25 18:14:06 may be the diff Jul 25 18:14:08 it's still 3G Jul 25 18:14:09 no Jul 25 18:14:13 3GS has more ram + better cpu Jul 25 18:14:13 3gs is the name of the iphone model Jul 25 18:14:14 3gs is just the model Jul 25 18:14:16 3GS has more ram + better cpu Jul 25 18:14:17 it still uses 3g Jul 25 18:14:20 much better Jul 25 18:14:24 isn't it multicore? Jul 25 18:14:26 tripps: there ya go then ;]] Jul 25 18:14:27 lols Jul 25 18:14:30 tripps: as you guessed Jul 25 18:14:34 it's cortex Jul 25 18:14:56 is there a better place to look for rom releases than AndroidSpin? and is the a repository of unsigned apps? Jul 25 18:14:57 ah. there is my answer :) Jul 25 18:14:58 and the 3g chipset was improved but it's not clear how much f an improvement Jul 25 18:15:01 http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iphone-3g-s-processor-specs-600mhz-cpu-256mb-of-ram/ Jul 25 18:15:07 it's still 7.2hsdpa Jul 25 18:15:17 but it has new gfx capabilities Jul 25 18:15:18 but the 3g version was limited Jul 25 18:15:34 oh yea, wasn't the original 3g 3.8 or whatevr the lower step is? Jul 25 18:15:38 yeah I've done ipone comparos before and it was usually a wash or G1 edging the iphone. This was like comparing a yugo vs a lambo doing a quarter mile :) Jul 25 18:15:41 the 3g version of infineon chip, the 3gs is supposed to be improved Jul 25 18:15:46 looking for details still Jul 25 18:15:54 tripps: so now you can hang w answer for your embarrASSment with your chum lol Jul 25 18:15:59 tripps, i find it hard to believe the G1 coming out on top :p Jul 25 18:16:03 is this guide up to date? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442480 Jul 25 18:16:16 it boots Jul 25 18:16:22 yay Jul 25 18:16:31 tmzt, ah thank you, that would make sense. I've been concerned it was some kind of security breach. Is there any logs I can check post-reboot that would give me the cause of the kernel panic (again, my phone's not rooted) Jul 25 18:16:32 ohhh Jul 25 18:16:33 wow holy shit Jul 25 18:16:36 the startup is async Jul 25 18:16:38 cyan built a donut, eh? Jul 25 18:16:44 so it actually goes fast? XD Jul 25 18:16:45 the launcher shows up while dalvik is still running dexopt Jul 25 18:16:47 haha Jul 25 18:16:50 Yuki, yeah this was the fastest I've ever seen a phone render a webpage, period. especially facebook with all its ajaxy stuff Jul 25 18:16:54 fucking sweet Jul 25 18:17:02 really? G1 seems slower then iphone to me Jul 25 18:17:06 but then again, i'm comparing both on edge Jul 25 18:17:08 stux: don't think so, if it was you might be able to read logs in ram somehow Jul 25 18:17:12 text to speech Jul 25 18:17:13 woah wtf? donut has multi-touch support? Jul 25 18:17:18 Yuki, that's what i mean - this was an iphone 3gs Jul 25 18:17:22 ah, yes Jul 25 18:17:33 thought multi-touch guestures were patented by apple? Jul 25 18:17:33 cyanogen: sound works? Jul 25 18:17:44 are we going to get a comparable hardware platform for android that has that kind of horsepower? Jul 25 18:17:58 G1 without the cpu being capped? :) Jul 25 18:18:09 Yuki, ah. hmmm. Jul 25 18:18:18 Yuki, still not multicore right? Jul 25 18:18:21 ha Jul 25 18:18:44 this is sweet Jul 25 18:18:50 tmzt, yeah that sucks, I guess I have another reason to go ahead an root the phone. Thanks for your help Jul 25 18:18:50 ipsec vpn Jul 25 18:19:01 cyanogen what are you talking about? Jul 25 18:19:30 the new donut drop Jul 25 18:19:37 <|Rain|> I'm glad to see that ipsec is forthcoming, because I didn't really feel like getting enough userspace tools compiled to make it work Jul 25 18:20:18 "run older apps in compatability mode" Jul 25 18:20:29 tripps, it's not currently multicore Jul 25 18:20:32 the firmware just supports it Jul 25 18:20:42 what does? Jul 25 18:20:45 cyanogen, compatability mode? Jul 25 18:20:48 (the iphone 3GS) Jul 25 18:20:53 whats the best way to format an SD card for the latest Cyano ROM? Jul 25 18:21:19 it makes sense, everything from arm related to cortex is about mpcore Jul 25 18:21:29 there was no reason not to make the kernel support that Jul 25 18:21:34 http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwone/last_tommy_gallery_03.shtml Jul 25 18:21:38 last WW1 vet died Jul 25 18:21:58 the camera is entirely new Jul 25 18:22:02 cyanogen: that dexopt thing sounds great, they do that with android init? Jul 25 18:22:23 proper vfe support and video would be nice Jul 25 18:22:40 emulator segfaulted :( Jul 25 18:23:06 seriously though Jul 25 18:23:09 it starts in like 5 seconds Jul 25 18:23:43 lol Jul 25 18:23:58 oh wow Jul 25 18:24:02 no this isn't async startup Jul 25 18:24:06 its dexopt ON DEMAND Jul 25 18:24:11 hahahahaaha Jul 25 18:24:23 i started the dialer Jul 25 18:24:29 and it ran dexopt on the dependencies Jul 25 18:25:44 *poke*can someone tell me which is the best ext FS to format and pointer to how please? Jul 25 18:25:57 ext2? Jul 25 18:25:59 ext3? Jul 25 18:26:10 squashfs? Jul 25 18:26:38 i want to intall Cyano's ROM, so which should i pick? Jul 25 18:30:43 oh wow Jul 25 18:30:48 power control widget Jul 25 18:30:59 nice Jul 25 18:31:12 lets you toggle all settings like wifi bt gps etc Jul 25 18:31:15 what do you mean power control? Jul 25 18:31:34 how is it possible to control power usuage with out a variable resister? Jul 25 18:31:45 heh i just got like 200 new followers on twitter wtf Jul 25 18:31:53 cyanogen: they're stalking you :) Jul 25 18:31:56 but i assume they do have one in there since you can controls creen contrast Jul 25 18:32:22 dexopt on demand is freaking sweat Jul 25 18:32:23 christ on a bike, im asking a simple question, how hard is it to say what file system i should choose. Do i even need to bother, most of the tutorials seem out of date Jul 25 18:32:25 sweet Jul 25 18:32:40 <|Rain|> jamesog: which car should I drive? Jul 25 18:32:44 <|Rain|> James_B: ^ Jul 25 18:32:47 hehe Jul 25 18:33:04 I said SPECIFICALLY the purpose for which i was going to use the partition Jul 25 18:33:20 SanMehat would you know who I should report an error in the android reference material to? (it's only small) Jul 25 18:33:30 martin___: jbq Jul 25 18:33:35 martin___: post something on the mailing list Jul 25 18:33:46 care to explain exactly what is dexopt on demand? Jul 25 18:33:54 James_B: I dont know, i'm not running that ROM Jul 25 18:33:55 <|Rain|> James_B: if you want to put apps on the SD card, then ext2 or 3 the second partition Jul 25 18:34:14 okay, thankyou. Jul 25 18:34:27 and for gods sake mount it noatime Jul 25 18:34:42 ill go for ext 3 as i hear that has advantages. Jul 25 18:34:49 James_B: i wouldn't Jul 25 18:34:50 noatime? Jul 25 18:34:57 SanMehat, android-discuss? Jul 25 18:34:59 James_B: i'd just stick with EXT2. you don't want the journal Jul 25 18:35:03 martin___: yeah that sounds right Jul 25 18:35:13 ok, thankyou :) Jul 25 18:35:14 SanMehat: ok, i will Jul 25 18:35:17 martin___: werd. Jul 25 18:35:19 James_B: werd. Jul 25 18:35:30 now secondly, is partition magic the best way to do it? Jul 25 18:35:34 san, did you guys not update the msm7k glue directory on purpose :( Jul 25 18:35:44 cyanogen: what glue directory? Jul 25 18:36:11 platform/hardware/msm7k Jul 25 18:36:19 sec Jul 25 18:36:24 can't build donut for dream :) Jul 25 18:36:24 i havent synced external master in months Jul 25 18:36:27 <|Rain|> cyanogen: do you still have a special entry in your local_manifest for it? Jul 25 18:36:32 i'm talking about the new donut drop Jul 25 18:36:41 hmm Jul 25 18:36:46 i should check out a fresh master here at home Jul 25 18:36:48 <|Rain|> cyanogen: I had to remove mine Jul 25 18:36:49 oh, this is on emulator? Jul 25 18:36:59 yeah i'm running it on the emulator right now Jul 25 18:37:34 the libhardware/libaudio thing is difficult, I know there is msm7k code for the /dev/msm* ioctl's Jul 25 18:37:41 cyanogen: hang on, i'm gonna check out a fresh master Jul 25 18:37:43 but things like acoustic will be missing Jul 25 18:37:59 crap my modem is only connecting at DOCSIS 1.3 Jul 25 18:38:02 er 1.5 Jul 25 18:38:55 cyanogen: what isnt building? Jul 25 18:38:57 couldn't get libaudio to build Jul 25 18:39:09 got disconnected Jul 25 18:39:28 can other Linux OS be installed on the G1 other than Debian and LXDE Jul 25 18:39:57 any Jul 25 18:40:12 with armv6 support Jul 25 18:40:14 like RedHat or Ubuntu Jul 25 18:40:16 do you mena in chroot though? Jul 25 18:40:24 ubuntu doesn't have officail armv6 support Jul 25 18:40:31 er uh you lost me Jul 25 18:40:46 where do I find those that have armv6 support Jul 25 18:41:05 I think fedora supports it Jul 25 18:41:06 Sgleaton: google specs of distros maybe Jul 25 18:41:10 maybe not Jul 25 18:41:11 cyanogen: hmm.. once my build syncs i'll look into it Jul 25 18:41:22 SanMehat: why do you keep saying master? Jul 25 18:41:50 tmzt: ? Jul 25 18:41:50 I would make a comment. but It's probably not appropriate for this channel :) Jul 25 18:42:01 their master is much different than what we get :) Jul 25 18:42:07 SanMehat: cyanogen is working with donut Jul 25 18:42:16 tmzt: its all the same shiznit Jul 25 18:42:20 relax Jul 25 18:42:29 JF what OS is a good linux install Jul 25 18:42:31 it was mergerd? Jul 25 18:42:42 I need internet access with it Jul 25 18:42:45 oh, okay, sorry Jul 25 18:42:55 Sgleaton, go download some and play :P Jul 25 18:43:03 do selectors in xml HAVE to be in a file for their own ? Jul 25 18:43:03 Sgleaton: are you trying to run in chroot or as the only os? Jul 25 18:43:10 wifi doesn't work that way yet Jul 25 18:43:30 I have rooted my phone - yes Jul 25 18:43:34 or 3g, at least I was unable to get to work for somebody in a few minutes Jul 25 18:43:55 nazguul81: css? with link rel="stylesheet" ? Jul 25 18:44:26 we tried echo "up:apn" > /dev/qmi I think Jul 25 18:44:32 but it didn't give the ip to rmnet Jul 25 18:44:34 forgive me but what is chroot Jul 25 18:44:42 no, i talk about selectors where i can bind drawables to states (of a button in this case) Jul 25 18:44:43 not sure if we tried assigning it manually Jul 25 18:44:45 I am a noob and learning this Jul 25 18:44:59 Sgleaton: oh sorry, saurik's howto Jul 25 18:45:21 chroot means change root, it changes the root of the filesystem for a unix process Jul 25 18:46:05 I would like something that performs similar to Windows Jul 25 18:46:10 each process in linux/unix can have it's own root of the filesystem, which can be a subdirectory in the parent process Jul 25 18:46:21 ? Jul 25 18:46:29 you mena a similar gui? Jul 25 18:47:00 posted screenshots on xda Jul 25 18:47:03 I have played with Xandros before and liked that Jul 25 18:47:09 yes GUI Jul 25 18:47:47 http://bit.ly/2AdQ7M Jul 25 18:49:24 really like the theme tweaks Jul 25 18:49:34 minor but nice Jul 25 18:50:38 oh cyanogen, you tease :P Cn't wait for a working rom Jul 25 18:51:11 gotta take my wife to the airport then i'll start trying to put something together Jul 25 18:51:16 Hm, does that mean master is behind donut? Jul 25 18:51:30 <|Rain|> cyanogen: is there any customization for the power widget, or is it always 4 cells wide? Jul 25 18:51:34 google's internal trees are different than what we get Jul 25 18:51:40 No rush. Jul 25 18:51:44 bbl Jul 25 18:53:48 Sgleaton: they don't really tell you, it's more of a question of if the main repositories are compiled for it Jul 25 18:54:24 debian has armel for armv5 (which will work on g1), but ubuntu only supports armv7 and now some suport for armv6 with fpu, which g1 does not have Jul 25 18:54:42 I can't really tell you what the others have because I don't follow them Jul 25 18:55:28 if you want a graphical interface you can use chroot with vnc method, or you can use only debian (or whatever) but it needs some work to support networking Jul 25 18:57:05 SanMehat: do you have any updates on when wl12xx might be usable with 2.6.29 kernel, or maybe some repo for the 2.6.31 work that can be tested? Jul 25 19:03:19 ah-ha, keystore is in donut Jul 25 19:04:12 and yet, we can't build for dream. sigh. :) Jul 25 19:04:37 (anybody know what a 'flan' is? ) Jul 25 19:05:39 Well, I can abandon those changes :-) Jul 25 19:07:34 jbq, apparently the msm7k Jul 25 19:07:47 branch wasn't updated in the new donut drop, cyano said the donut build was broken for dream because of this Jul 25 19:07:59 (libaudio, he said specifically) Jul 25 19:08:31 lemme look into it. I know it wasn't updated (prepared the donut drop before before doing the dream work) Jul 25 19:08:41 ah, okay Jul 25 19:08:45 woo i made phandroid :) Jul 25 19:08:51 phandroid? Jul 25 19:09:08 jbq: this stuff is great Jul 25 19:09:13 ahh Jul 25 19:09:15 news, heh Jul 25 19:09:22 :) Jul 25 19:09:38 RootMaster? :) Jul 25 19:10:03 cdma <--- :'( Jul 25 19:10:29 cdma? why? Jul 25 19:10:41 Apparently CDMA support code is in donut Jul 25 19:10:56 heh, GSM isn't gonna stop working Jul 25 19:11:01 it was in cupcake also, but not much Jul 25 19:11:04 cdma-support Jul 25 19:11:09 not even clear what that was Jul 25 19:11:10 I know, I just enjoy being all high and mighty about GSM Jul 25 19:11:28 though this will let japan have a crack at android devices, I suppose Jul 25 19:11:38 that makes sense. sprint claims to be getting one at end of year Jul 25 19:12:10 I need to look at the changes, I guess there will have to be java and c ril stuff Jul 25 19:12:16 or it just doesn't make any sense Jul 25 19:12:30 maybe the good news is it will share some amss stuff with raph500/800 Jul 25 19:12:48 hopefully Qdsp will be similar Jul 25 19:13:07 cyanogen, could I build it without libaudio? :) Jul 25 19:13:29 like that would be useful, but still. hah. Jul 25 19:14:12 Re: msm7k & donut - this is exactly why I've been putting msm7k and dream-open in the regular manifest: that'll allow them to be included in regular pushes in the future. Jul 25 19:14:18 anyone know how to reboot phone after flashing RC7? Jul 25 19:14:24 i have the rainbow screen Jul 25 19:14:26 <|Rain|> can gdb debug native executables on the phone over usb? Jul 25 19:14:35 Does anyone truley understand this build system? or do I need a slight hit of LSD to comprehend it. :/ Jul 25 19:14:36 jbq: libaudio doesn't build for dream right now Jul 25 19:15:09 I'm gonna see if I can fix it. Jul 25 19:15:13 oh right on Jul 25 19:15:31 anyone? Jul 25 19:15:53 i have a creen shows red green blue white bars, how do i reboot from here? Jul 25 19:15:57 screen* Jul 25 19:16:07 i'm modifying build/core/*.mk files to get stuff i want to happen Jul 25 19:16:10 is this right?! Jul 25 19:16:12 heh Jul 25 19:21:21 cyanogen: ur latest build on xda, when phone leaves wifi Jul 25 19:21:26 it forgets it Jul 25 19:21:32 i hafta re add it Jul 25 19:21:41 cyanogen: your latest build pwns and you are a god Jul 25 19:21:53 yep other than that Jul 25 19:21:55 wating on donut Jul 25 19:21:56 :) Jul 25 19:22:00 arejay what do you have to re add? i wanna see if mine does the same Jul 25 19:22:14 like Jul 25 19:22:18 it dosnt auto reconnect Jul 25 19:22:22 when it gets back in range Jul 25 19:22:24 of the wifi Jul 25 19:22:36 oh Jul 25 19:22:38 or reboot phone also, it defaults to silent mode Jul 25 19:22:43 gotta turn ringer back up Jul 25 19:22:44 weird Jul 25 19:22:48 what??? not mine Jul 25 19:22:58 weird Jul 25 19:22:59 when i reboot its still on loud Jul 25 19:23:19 i got swap and apps2sd Jul 25 19:23:19 as for wifi i never leave mine on when im out of range, so idk Jul 25 19:23:20 ? Jul 25 19:23:33 i have apps on the sd but no swap Jul 25 19:23:50 sherpa app is kinda cool Jul 25 19:23:52 i guess Jul 25 19:24:01 swap = great boost Jul 25 19:24:03 eh yeah, its a novelty Jul 25 19:24:19 tmobile is pushing it hard Jul 25 19:24:23 for mytouch3g Jul 25 19:24:25 i ordered one Jul 25 19:24:27 yeah theyre dumb Jul 25 19:24:32 i use at&t :) Jul 25 19:24:33 then i hear hero is coming Jul 25 19:24:35 fuck :/ Jul 25 19:24:52 lol! doh Jul 25 19:24:57 cancel the preorder? Jul 25 19:25:08 lol Jul 25 19:25:09 mytouch3g, that's a magic? Jul 25 19:25:19 a sapphire, ya Jul 25 19:25:23 ya Jul 25 19:25:29 sapphire Jul 25 19:25:36 magic = hero i think Jul 25 19:25:37 right Jul 25 19:25:38 ? Jul 25 19:25:41 with the 32b board i think, the one with less ram Jul 25 19:25:42 magic = sapphire Jul 25 19:25:43 noooo Jul 25 19:25:47 mytouch = sapphire Jul 25 19:25:51 hey good folks guess what Jul 25 19:25:53 right Jul 25 19:25:58 gotcha Jul 25 19:25:58 jesusfreke ftw Jul 25 19:25:59 confusing Jul 25 19:26:00 sapphire = sapphire Jul 25 19:26:00 :/ Jul 25 19:26:03 sgleaton, what Jul 25 19:26:32 arejay, sapphire relates to the hardware, magic is vodafones branding, mytouch is t-mobile's branding Jul 25 19:26:34 I am currently connected to the internet from my laptop via my G1 wirelessly Jul 25 19:26:41 gotcha Jul 25 19:26:43 and hero is completely different hardware Jul 25 19:26:56 sgleaton, congrats :) Jul 25 19:27:01 i wanted the hero over the mytouch3g Jul 25 19:27:08 i like how u can add the extended batttery Jul 25 19:27:11 yeah obviously Jul 25 19:27:24 more ram, 5mp camera Jul 25 19:27:24 to the mytouch3g Jul 25 19:27:24 its kinda cool Jul 25 19:27:24 :/ Jul 25 19:27:24 sense UI Jul 25 19:27:26 you can't add an extended battery to the mytouch? Jul 25 19:27:27 now if I can get a linux os on my phone and make it work I will be in business Jul 25 19:27:29 it clips on at the bottom Jul 25 19:27:35 ah Jul 25 19:27:36 arejay cancel your preorder Jul 25 19:27:42 definitely Jul 25 19:27:42 for the mytouch Jul 25 19:27:46 they pussed on the myTouch Jul 25 19:27:47 fuck them Jul 25 19:27:49 whats rls date for hero Jul 25 19:27:49 ? Jul 25 19:28:02 need this phone to trade my mom my g1 Jul 25 19:28:03 :\ Jul 25 19:28:04 soon in europe i think, very soon Jul 25 19:28:12 its out in europe Jul 25 19:28:14 coming to us Jul 25 19:28:21 likely coming to AT&T though Jul 25 19:28:27 o fuck Jul 25 19:28:29 :( Jul 25 19:28:34 some one please tell me a good linux OS that I can use on my phone Jul 25 19:28:37 :) Jul 25 19:28:40 debian Jul 25 19:28:50 sgleaton, debian is the only one as of yet Jul 25 19:28:55 ubuntu too Jul 25 19:28:57 i think Jul 25 19:28:57 and even then its limited Jul 25 19:29:01 but its debian based Jul 25 19:29:06 its basically a chroot Jul 25 19:29:07 :/ Jul 25 19:29:13 TommyBres, you think the hero is coming to AT&T? Jul 25 19:29:24 i think it was going to tmo Jul 25 19:29:27 as the g2 Jul 25 19:29:28 ;/ Jul 25 19:29:31 kny doesnt it have 850/1900mhz 3g? Jul 25 19:29:41 * arejay checks fcc Jul 25 19:29:42 which is easier to use for a windows user Ubuntu or LXDE Jul 25 19:29:43 TommyBres, that can be set at the factory Jul 25 19:29:47 i think thats what it passed fcc with Jul 25 19:29:51 i thought tmo said no hero at all Jul 25 19:29:52 TommyBres, ah Jul 25 19:29:53 ubuntu Jul 25 19:29:56 for a windows user Jul 25 19:30:01 they renigged on that Jul 25 19:30:05 flee-g1 Jul 25 19:30:08 oh nice Jul 25 19:30:11 im not totally sure, and i wont get it anyways Jul 25 19:30:14 keeping in mind I need a browser for other purposes than that of the one that comes with G1 Jul 25 19:30:16 I'd be surprised of tmus got hero because the UI would be different from their other android phones Jul 25 19:30:26 TommyBres, you wouldn't get it if it was aT&T? Jul 25 19:30:27 HTC branded Jul 25 19:30:31 all the way Jul 25 19:30:32 touch Jul 25 19:30:32 if i wanted a keyboardless phone id get the xperia x3 Jul 25 19:30:33 mmm Jul 25 19:30:36 TommyBres, fair enough Jul 25 19:30:42 yea. Jul 25 19:30:45 i love my keyboard Jul 25 19:30:46 So all I do is install debian and then ubuntu instead of LXDE Jul 25 19:30:48 on my g1 Jul 25 19:30:52 my p1i may it rest in peace Jul 25 19:30:56 i have a iphone i switch my tmo sim in Jul 25 19:30:57 sometimes Jul 25 19:30:57 8mp camera, 4" capacitive wvga screen Jul 25 19:30:59 SEX Jul 25 19:31:02 i just need the feedback Jul 25 19:31:05 of a real keyboard Jul 25 19:31:06 :/ Jul 25 19:31:13 me too. p1i ftw Jul 25 19:31:22 best keyboard i ever used. Jul 25 19:31:27 i need a keyboard for my games Jul 25 19:31:37 i have 3 emulators on the g1 Jul 25 19:31:42 games + onscreen keyboard Jul 25 19:31:43 fail Jul 25 19:31:43 :/ Jul 25 19:31:44 one of the best phones. except for the outdated os Jul 25 19:31:53 and the best kb i ever used is an at&t fuze Jul 25 19:32:13 100x better than the dream D: Jul 25 19:32:18 am I correct - I can install ubuntu with debian installed? Jul 25 19:32:23 afk installing osx Jul 25 19:32:28 and windows 7 Jul 25 19:32:29 o.0 Jul 25 19:32:31 on this amd64 Jul 25 19:32:31 :/ Jul 25 19:32:33 on your g1? Jul 25 19:32:37 heh Jul 25 19:32:42 ive never heard ubuntu can be on a g1 Jul 25 19:32:53 so i has no eye deer Jul 25 19:33:06 brb installing OS X on my phone Jul 25 19:33:21 lawl Jul 25 19:33:35 yuki its illegal if its not an apple branded device Jul 25 19:33:36 come on guys i need to know Jul 25 19:33:49 sgleaton debian is all you can use Jul 25 19:33:55 search for a walkthrough Jul 25 19:34:23 where can i find the latest official uk firmware downloads? ^^ Jul 25 19:34:28 ive tried google without much luck Jul 25 19:34:30 TommyBres, apple labeled Jul 25 19:34:34 but after installing debian can I put ubuntu on Jul 25 19:34:34 i have an official apple sticker Jul 25 19:34:38 that will suffice Jul 25 19:34:40 i'm sure of it Jul 25 19:34:40 :D Jul 25 19:34:42 yuki stfun Jul 25 19:34:45 lol Jul 25 19:34:55 or the only choices I have is ICEWM or LXDE? Jul 25 19:35:00 lol Jul 25 19:35:10 idfk, GOOGLE NOOB Jul 25 19:35:17 www.lmgtfy.com Jul 25 19:35:21 I want an Xperia Jul 25 19:35:23 sigh Jul 25 19:35:27 type "debian on g1" Jul 25 19:35:41 yuki i want one with a keyboard Jul 25 19:35:52 I wanat the X1 just for the T-Mo US 3G support Jul 25 19:36:22 lawl Jul 25 19:36:26 x1 has tmobile 3g? Jul 25 19:36:41 yeh, in one version Jul 25 19:36:49 theres x1a and x1i Jul 25 19:36:54 o.0 Jul 25 19:37:03 i didnt know they pade a x1a Jul 25 19:37:05 ... Jul 25 19:37:09 lol Jul 25 19:37:12 lol Jul 25 19:37:15 i wanted a p1a Jul 25 19:37:19 now if only T-Mo would sell it Jul 25 19:37:23 had to buy p1i Jul 25 19:37:37 yuki it does tmobile at att? Jul 25 19:37:39 yuki you can get it from best buy iirc, but its winmo Jul 25 19:37:41 Sgleaton: isnt your forehead getting bloody yet mate? heh Jul 25 19:37:46 why would you want that Jul 25 19:37:47 TommyBres, I know it is. :) Jul 25 19:37:53 Cuz it runs age of empires Jul 25 19:37:55 'n stuff Jul 25 19:38:01 ....nerd Jul 25 19:38:04 me and winmo go way back Jul 25 19:38:05 WAY back Jul 25 19:38:16 like, 2000-2001 highschool/middleschool pda usage way back Jul 25 19:38:17 yeah winmo and i go way back Jul 25 19:38:25 and after years of torture Jul 25 19:38:28 I like WinMo Jul 25 19:38:30 i couldnt wait to ditch it Jul 25 19:38:37 it wasn't windows mobile then Jul 25 19:38:39 obviously you never knew how to make it do what you want. I jumped on the change to get my HTC Herald Jul 25 19:38:44 lol its not horrible Jul 25 19:38:55 but i like android much more Jul 25 19:38:58 I was still in the game when it went from 2002 -> 2003/.NET-> WinMo Jul 25 19:39:06 make it dew wut i want lulz Jul 25 19:39:06 I prefer iPhone's stuff really :/ Jul 25 19:39:16 .net wasn't on pda's I think, more hpc's Jul 25 19:39:23 i had a prerelease phone as my last one Jul 25 19:39:25 .NET was CE 4.0 Jul 25 19:39:29 which was 2003 Jul 25 19:39:30 so that was interesting Jul 25 19:39:36 .NET = 4.x series, actually Jul 25 19:39:40 right, but not on the ppc Jul 25 19:39:41 so many codenames Jul 25 19:39:48 or was it 4.0 = 2002 4.1 = .net 4.2 = 2003 Jul 25 19:39:49 something like that Jul 25 19:39:54 I've got a 4.0 ppc somewhere Jul 25 19:39:55 heh Jul 25 19:40:02 made by HP Jul 25 19:40:05 when they made decent PDAs Jul 25 19:40:14 * Yuki sighs and fondly remembers his linux running iPaq 3850 Jul 25 19:40:23 who cares Jul 25 19:40:25 you guys and your look-how-much-i-know-ology is making me mad Jul 25 19:40:25 so completely irrelevant Jul 25 19:40:33 mad? it's memory lane, man Jul 25 19:40:39 lol Jul 25 19:40:41 nolstaglia Jul 25 19:40:48 w/e you spell it Jul 25 19:41:03 hes debating that "no it wasnt 4.x on ppc" Jul 25 19:41:06 no1carez Jul 25 19:41:12 lol Jul 25 19:41:15 he's debating that 4.0 wasn't Jul 25 19:41:22 i'm recalling stuff but also thinking he's right Jul 25 19:41:27 your face, lets talk android Jul 25 19:41:41 **** that **** :D Jul 25 19:41:50 i got so burned out on winmo last august Jul 25 19:41:55 * Yuki sighs Jul 25 19:42:05 i got a prerelease fuze when nobody knew the touch pro was going to att Jul 25 19:42:05 PocketPC 2002/2003 was when they got it right Jul 25 19:42:14 so i made a thread on xda, bad choice Jul 25 19:42:28 2000 noobs calling me a liar even after i post pics Jul 25 19:42:41 i cant find the download for UK RC8 can anyone help me out? Jul 25 19:42:54 first thing I did when I got my HTC Herald was find a rom that was closest to an actual clean WinCE install and not some carrier crufted bs Jul 25 19:42:55 lol Jul 25 19:43:01 engadget called my claims sketchy and dodgy lol Jul 25 19:43:19 james_b, factory image or modified? Jul 25 19:43:26 factory Jul 25 19:43:39 lemme give a quick search, brb Jul 25 19:43:43 thankyou Jul 25 19:43:48 gotta switch to wifi, edge is lame Jul 25 19:43:55 lol Jul 25 19:44:41 lol ok, im looking for the latest factory image Jul 25 19:44:48 i think thats RC8 Jul 25 19:45:48 CRB or CRC? Jul 25 19:46:34 * jbq is glad that we moved to the new-style version codes. Jul 25 19:46:38 if that was directed at me, i dont know Jul 25 19:46:53 latest factory UK formware is what im looking for Jul 25 19:46:58 firmware* Jul 25 19:48:32 james_b, https://android.clients.google.com/updates/signed-kila_uk-ota-116470-prereq.TC5-RC7.7a5a0178.zip Jul 25 19:48:42 tell me if its not still active Jul 25 19:48:50 its not, 404 Jul 25 19:48:57 oh thats rc7 anyways wth Jul 25 19:49:08 linkposter liez Jul 25 19:49:48 aye Jul 25 19:50:28 james_b Jul 25 19:50:30 http://android-dls.com/files/apps/signed-kila_uk-ota-116470-prereq.TC5-RC7.7a5a0178.zip Jul 25 19:50:49 thats rc8, idk why filename says 7 Jul 25 19:50:54 still rc7 no? Jul 25 19:51:00 oh ok, you sure? :) Jul 25 19:51:07 nope, all links im finding for rc8 have thayt Jul 25 19:51:12 that filename* Jul 25 19:51:20 'master' Jul 25 19:51:24 is 1.5r3 right? Jul 25 19:51:31 or r2 Jul 25 19:51:36 heres the sauce, james_b: http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=OTA_Updates Jul 25 19:51:44 thankyou Jul 25 19:51:45 <|Rain|> Yuki: I don't believe so; there are separate branches for r2/r3 Jul 25 19:51:50 hrm Jul 25 19:51:55 <|Rain|> you can check them out with repo update Jul 25 19:51:56 no problema, now switching back to edge Jul 25 19:51:58 then what is the point of master if it isn't the latest release? :) Jul 25 19:52:07 <|Rain|> Yuki: it's newer than the latest release Jul 25 19:52:11 oh Jul 25 19:52:16 that makes sense, then. :) Jul 25 19:52:25 I'll be merging donut into master, I promise. Jul 25 19:52:25 jbq: what are the new-style then? Jul 25 19:52:38 tmzt: e.g. CRB43 Jul 25 19:52:49 ok Jul 25 19:52:50 jbq: when? :) Jul 25 19:53:05 it'll never happen! muwahahah Jul 25 19:53:08 Yuki: hopefully in the next few days. Jul 25 19:53:17 heh Jul 25 19:53:34 donut Jul 25 19:53:35 ? Jul 25 19:53:47 <|Rain|> jbq: cyanogen was wondering about the lack of updates to platform/hardware/msm7k with the other donut stuff that was recently merged in Jul 25 19:53:52 * TommyBres spreads rumors that donut will drop in a few days Jul 25 19:54:03 <|Rain|> dunno whether you saw or know anything about that Jul 25 19:54:05 |Rain|, he said he'd try to fix stuff. ;) Jul 25 19:54:12 it has "dropped" but not in the ota sense Jul 25 19:54:15 it's in repo now Jul 25 19:54:16 hola Jul 25 19:54:51 TommyBres, spread all those rumors you want. watch how much you get laughed at. XD Jul 25 19:54:57 hahah Jul 25 19:55:00 |Rain|: yeah, I'm on it. Issue is that I prepared the donut drop before I was set up to test dream builds on my staging setup. Jul 25 19:55:02 zeezee: it's kind of hard to get a context without logs Jul 25 19:55:12 i remember kids in here like WHENS CUPCAKE? Jul 25 19:55:23 i remember someone i knew Jul 25 19:55:24 like Jul 25 19:55:25 and id say "next monday" every time Jul 25 19:55:33 "wtf.... you have cupcake?" Jul 25 19:55:34 tmzt: the recent code drop is definitely not the final donut. It's not even API-frozen. Jul 25 19:55:34 and i was like Jul 25 19:55:41 lol Jul 25 19:55:42 <|Rain|> jbq: ah, cool Jul 25 19:55:43 TommyBres: we never said it would be coming to ota right now Jul 25 19:55:52 but it's a code drop Jul 25 19:55:53 "you're a ****ing stupid *****, how do you know what the update's codename is?" Jul 25 19:55:59 tmzt i dont get ota updates anyways so idc :P Jul 25 19:56:02 and as jbq just said, not final Jul 25 19:56:04 and then i called the police to protect my posessions while I moved out of the apartment Jul 25 19:56:32 im not too eager for donut, my phone is pleasuring me now Jul 25 19:56:34 to be quite honest, if you're in the middle of a huge fight and trying to throw me out of your girlfriend's apartment when i'm paying half your rent and you have no employment and your girlfriend is on unemplyment Jul 25 19:56:36 i mean... pleasing me Jul 25 19:56:41 <|Rain|> jbq: is anyone gonna update the roadmap on source.android.org for donut? ;) Jul 25 19:56:42 the last thing on your mind should be what OS is on my phone Jul 25 19:56:42 i mean... working Jul 25 19:57:00 more like the fact that you now have to eat $800/month rent + $110/month cable + $500/month car payment + $200/month insurance Jul 25 19:57:13 yuki, leave your baggage at the door Jul 25 19:57:25 drama is shunned in #android >.< Jul 25 19:57:37 with one person making ~600-800 /month, one on unemployment who is in debt 6k, and one who is AD military but has zero money cuz he's an alcoholic and is in debt 10-20k according to his NCOs Jul 25 19:57:39 |Rain|: we're gonna remove the page entirely. We've seen over time that there was no chance we'd be able to put a roadmap out and stick to it. We're working far too much in agile-land. Jul 25 19:57:41 i dont want a donut in my phone Jul 25 19:57:43 and you want me to update your phone to cupcake? :D Jul 25 19:57:53 <|Rain|> jbq: fair enough Jul 25 19:57:57 ....k Jul 25 19:58:00 TommyBres, i'm more amazed at the fact that she wanted me to update her phone to cupcake while I was being thrown out. XD Jul 25 19:58:11 lol Jul 25 19:58:13 i'm not trying to be drama, i'm just pointing out how absurd people get about their phones Jul 25 19:58:20 i wants copencaken Jul 25 19:58:27 vodkacake Jul 25 19:58:27 :D Jul 25 19:58:52 whiskey cake Jul 25 19:58:55 ftw Jul 25 19:58:59 Hrm. DrunkRom for HTC Dream! The screen is distorted and wavy so it looks ABSOLUTELY NORMAL while you're wasted! Perfect for flashing before a night at the bar! Jul 25 19:59:23 nice Jul 25 19:59:29 that'd be amazing Jul 25 19:59:34 like reverse beer goggles for your phone Jul 25 19:59:51 with a just jacked up enough keyboard that you type everything and you seem sober while you do it . :) Jul 25 20:00:19 hrm Jul 25 20:00:28 so you want a german keyboard? Jul 25 20:00:30 :) Jul 25 20:00:44 i should move my android repos to an external drive so my computer dosn't temporarily lock up grinding horrific I/O :D Jul 25 20:00:58 might help a little lol Jul 25 20:01:05 Yo I'm tryna play music and my PS3 at the same time, any way i can do that? This is how i am connected: PS3 HDMI to TV (just for video) PS3 Optical Cable to Receiver (just for audio). How can I play the PS3's game audio on the surround sound aswell as playing the music from either teh surround sound, OR the tv? Jul 25 20:01:34 oO Jul 25 20:01:34 cyanogen, Yuki: can you have a look at https://review.source.android.com/#change,10780 ? Jul 25 20:01:39 Lieutenant: wrong channel? Jul 25 20:01:44 get an optical mixer? Jul 25 20:01:47 lieutenant... #playstation Jul 25 20:02:07 how long should the g1 sit in the excamation point screen after power on with home pressed? Jul 25 20:02:10 this is obviously the #roommate channel, go elsewhere Jul 25 20:02:34 james_b, hit alt+L Jul 25 20:02:52 wow Jul 25 20:02:52 then alt+s for sdcard update Jul 25 20:03:10 lol i would have been waiting all day :D Jul 25 20:03:12 You guys follow the channel guidelines to the letter. Jul 25 20:03:14 thanks ^^ Jul 25 20:03:17 tmzt with that story it felt more like the #judgejudy channel Jul 25 20:03:19 Lieutenant: wrong channel too. WoW hasn't been ported to Android yet Jul 25 20:03:24 haha np james :) Jul 25 20:04:03 lieutenant its not that i have a problem with the question, but no one here can answer it Jul 25 20:04:34 jbq, that's one of the things needed, i'm pretty sure Jul 25 20:04:51 finally, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/davem/net-next-2.6.git;a=summary Jul 25 20:05:03 and I pushed 2 msm7k changes out for the libaudio build issue. Jul 25 20:05:21 Lieutenant: I'll just assume that a lot of people here don't own a ps3, so your question is, for them, just spam'ish in consistence, and those who do own a PS3 are either playing with it, looking for a good bid for it on ebay or can't probably be arsed to answer. Jul 25 20:05:26 excellent Jul 25 20:05:32 cyanogen, get crackin'? :) Jul 25 20:05:34 it's not a ps3 question though Jul 25 20:05:37 not exactly Jul 25 20:05:41 * jbq goes to have lunch... wife is calling Jul 25 20:05:42 i'm about to nuke my android tree, i think Jul 25 20:05:43 hrm Jul 25 20:05:58 Lieutenant: if you ask on #playstation, you'll probably get a reasonable answer in a reasonable timeframe Jul 25 20:06:08 wow, two meals in a single day? Jul 25 20:06:23 im outtt, ttyl guys Jul 25 20:06:33 bye tommy, thanks for the help Jul 25 20:06:34 james good luck with the update Jul 25 20:06:40 thankyou ^^ Jul 25 20:06:40 np, adios Jul 25 20:07:10 I thought the question could have been universal, like any media player, basically trying to get two audio's at once Jul 25 20:07:16 but thanks i guess. Jul 25 20:07:43 LitI might try using optical out on your tv Jul 25 20:08:29 hm Jul 25 20:08:31 <|Rain|> yuko: btw, I meant repo checkout, not repo update earlier Jul 25 20:08:34 wish there was a wordpress app for android Jul 25 20:08:34 <|Rain|> Yuki: ^ Jul 25 20:08:37 maybe there is and i just didn't look Jul 25 20:08:37 or maybe ps3 can play music during your game from a menu? otherwise you need a receiver that can handle two inputs (mixing them) or an external mixer Jul 25 20:08:43 Macer: ? Jul 25 20:08:57 wp supports blogger api I think Jul 25 20:08:58 something to write the blogs with ? Jul 25 20:09:00 and atom pub Jul 25 20:09:13 |Rain|, eh? Jul 25 20:09:16 atom pub? Jul 25 20:09:39 app? Jul 25 20:09:45 heh Jul 25 20:10:00 i'm looking now Jul 25 20:10:08 I mean APP Jul 25 20:10:39 |Rain|, oh, as in switching branches, okay Jul 25 20:10:45 <|Rain|> aye Jul 25 20:11:25 quick blogger = garbage Jul 25 20:11:31 you can checkout the entire repo? Jul 25 20:12:40 hah! Jul 25 20:12:43 wpToGo! Jul 25 20:12:46 what were the chances Jul 25 20:12:48 ? Jul 25 20:12:48 heh Jul 25 20:13:02 :) Jul 25 20:13:22 can anyone add this to their 2.6.29 tree and build it (just the directory): http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/davem/net-next-2.6.git;a=tree;f=drivers/net/wireless/net/wireless/wl12xx;h=501fdb369e259c51ee12aa0b16204be1604fbb87;hb=HEAD Jul 25 20:14:03 you also have to source the Kconfig and += the dir in your Makefil Jul 25 20:14:39 im having trouble successfully running one of the newly released G1 roms Jul 25 20:15:13 which device/rom does wifi not work on yet? Jul 25 20:15:26 oh, hey, can you explain what the issue is? Jul 25 20:15:51 i have new spl/radio, sdcard partitioned, JAC 2.7.4 runs but freezes like crazy, and cyanogens just get stuck at the G1 logo Jul 25 20:20:07 heh Jul 25 20:20:12 ok. wpToGo ftw Jul 25 20:20:19 that was easy enough :) Jul 25 20:20:59 Anyone has tried Bluetooth with NDK? Jul 25 20:21:03 can we use HID profile? Jul 25 20:21:14 anyone know how i can solve my problem? ive already tried waiting out the g1 logo...i tried 20min Jul 25 20:22:00 see if you can connect via adb, and take a look at the logcat Jul 25 20:22:08 zeezee: we need more specific information Jul 25 20:22:10 i wont connect Jul 25 20:22:13 ig Jul 25 20:22:14 it Jul 25 20:22:15 hii Jul 25 20:22:25 welcome back Jul 25 20:22:25 hi Jul 25 20:22:47 cyanogen: are you using a 2.6.29 kernel? have you seen this http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/davem/net-next-2.6.git;a=tree;f=drivers/net/wireless/net/wireless/wl12xx;h=501fdb369e259c51ee12aa0b16204be1604fbb87;hb=HEAD Jul 25 20:23:00 new wifi driver? Jul 25 20:23:03 yes Jul 25 20:23:06 yeah haven't tried it yet Jul 25 20:23:07 <|Rain|> cyanogen: and I pushed 2 msm7k changes out for the libaudio build issue. Jul 25 20:23:21 sweeeet Jul 25 20:23:29 shade@toxygene:~/dev/sources/android-donut$ repo sync Jul 25 20:23:31 nom nom Jul 25 20:23:34 not sure if it will build for 2.6.29 though, maybe it needs wireless compat Jul 25 20:23:36 haha Jul 25 20:23:44 cyanogen, i'm about to build myself a donut repo. :) Jul 25 20:23:46 oh yeah, was distracted Jul 25 20:23:48 should be fun Jul 25 20:23:56 thanks jbq!!! Jul 25 20:23:58 thanks, |Rain| Jul 25 20:24:01 JF: it boot once to cyanogens newest but froze then reboot and got stuck, i reflashed/wipe/fixed fs, but still not working Jul 25 20:24:35 zeezee: why are you telling me? Jul 25 20:24:39 maheshs: hid works manually Jul 25 20:24:46 you asked for detail Jul 25 20:24:49 no I didn't :) Jul 25 20:24:52 I did Jul 25 20:24:52 obh Jul 25 20:24:53 oh Jul 25 20:24:57 well there you go :) Jul 25 20:24:57 when JF gets off his lazy development ass and adds a gui to it.. then the world will be a better place Jul 25 20:25:02 :) Jul 25 20:25:05 jf wanted you to try adb logcat Jul 25 20:25:15 yea it cant connect Jul 25 20:25:20 yeah, I got that :) Jul 25 20:25:24 are you on linux? Jul 25 20:25:42 "on linux" just doesn't sound right Jul 25 20:25:54 no Jul 25 20:25:57 yeah, using linux Jul 25 20:26:01 okay Jul 25 20:26:03 <|Rain|> it sounds to me like zeezee's phone is still at the t-mobile logo, so logcat probably won't work yet Jul 25 20:26:22 so it needs reflashed? Jul 25 20:26:27 |Rain|: it's possible to be at the G1 logo with android (partially) booted and logcat running Jul 25 20:26:44 ive been flashing it, just the newest roms dont work Jul 25 20:26:45 but it's possible that you can't too Jul 25 20:27:09 well... i have to install wordpress on tech.rancorous.net Jul 25 20:27:10 heh Jul 25 20:27:12 <|Rain|> JesusFreke: yeah, the android splash starts pretty early iirc Jul 25 20:27:25 I want Cyan ROM for HTC Hero. :( Jul 25 20:27:27 and start wordpressing about arm based hardware i suppose Jul 25 20:27:40 JF: mind if i put some of your stuff on it? Jul 25 20:27:49 <|Rain|> and given that he just flashed, it seems unlikely :) Jul 25 20:27:51 you can do whatever you like with my stuff :) Jul 25 20:27:53 like roms etc? :) i don't want some strange lgpl law suit to sprint out at me Jul 25 20:28:02 who? Jul 25 20:28:08 haha Jul 25 20:28:11 TARGET_PRODUCT=htc_dream Jul 25 20:28:12 here we go :) Jul 25 20:28:19 hehe Jul 25 20:28:20 * Macer pictures JF walking out of here with a police escort taking his servers Jul 25 20:28:21 you don't use lunch? :) Jul 25 20:28:41 ok.. i'm going to work on the server then Jul 25 20:28:42 * jbq heartily recommends using lunch htc_dream-eng Jul 25 20:28:44 then I want HTC Dream with more ram memory Jul 25 20:28:50 <|Rain|> cyanogen: if you're fast enough you'll make me really regret forgetting to bring a usb cable to work with me :P Jul 25 20:28:51 i have to update my dns first tho and install wordpress on the vhost Jul 25 20:28:58 apache + wordpress ftw haha Jul 25 20:29:07 it seriously makes it way too easy :) Jul 25 20:29:20 django >>> * Jul 25 20:29:25 |Rain|: do you have an sd card? Jul 25 20:29:46 wtf Jul 25 20:29:55 ok i managed to get adb to connect...had to restart like 5 times to get it to connect Jul 25 20:30:00 Can someone with an interest in building donut for dream comment on https://review.source.android.com/#change,10780 ? I'd rather play by the rules and have someone look at it before I submit it. Jul 25 20:30:05 G1 is looping Jul 25 20:30:15 what service is failing? Jul 25 20:30:20 <|Rain|> tmzt: I guess I could just grab it on the phone, although the wifi here is kinda shady and I don't feel like downloading the entire thing OTA Jul 25 20:30:51 idk...how do i know when something fails? Jul 25 20:30:52 jbq, that looks correct Jul 25 20:31:09 someone came in here earlier with that exact error Jul 25 20:31:10 zeezee: read carefully Jul 25 20:31:17 you'll see a pattern Jul 25 20:31:37 yea its a loop all the same stuff Jul 25 20:31:42 attempting to build it now with that applied Jul 25 20:31:48 named/bind is so great :) Jul 25 20:31:48 heh Jul 25 20:31:54 it really is great once you have it set up correctly Jul 25 20:32:02 soon my trout will have a donut on it Jul 25 20:32:02 o.o Jul 25 20:32:07 but it's all a dream Jul 25 20:32:16 fish donut Jul 25 20:32:20 nom nom Jul 25 20:32:58 jbq: what does armeabi refer to, I can only assume building for some other arm isa is being supported? Jul 25 20:33:03 or is this x86 stuff? Jul 25 20:33:22 tmzt: in armeabi there's arm, so it's not related to x86 :)) Jul 25 20:33:33 * Gaap ceno. Jul 25 20:33:38 This is the specific low-level convention used in android for dream. Jul 25 20:34:38 Yuki: fi you have an account on Gerrit, could you "Publish Comments" there and set it to "looks good to me but someone else must approve" Jul 25 20:35:01 I should register one, hold on Jul 25 20:35:07 superb, thanks Jul 25 20:35:18 ahh so this uses opencore 2.0 too, nice Jul 25 20:35:25 How include a app in the build variant "user" ? "LOCAL_MODULE_TAGS := user" seems not to work Jul 25 20:35:31 romainguy: I know, I mean TARGET_CPU_ABI Jul 25 20:35:34 http://pastebin.com/d3100ee Jul 25 20:35:40 is the logcat output Jul 25 20:35:51 * jbq waves at romainguy Jul 25 20:35:58 hoyo jbq Jul 25 20:36:48 jbq, done Jul 25 20:40:02 all right, submitted. Jul 25 20:40:04 thanks Jul 25 20:40:11 zeezee: that's the beginning? Jul 25 20:40:19 that segfaulted quickly Jul 25 20:40:44 we should add our stack tool to the open source project to help with that kind of bug Jul 25 20:40:56 yea thats the beginning looped like 30 times Jul 25 20:41:20 then i stopped it Jul 25 20:42:12 fault addr d53319c2? Jul 25 20:43:14 cyanogen: did you just do repo forall -p -c "git checkout korg/donut" or something? Jul 25 20:43:39 i just did a full repo init with -b donut Jul 25 20:43:57 romainguy: yeah, I've just been doing objdump all over the place Jul 25 20:44:39 and that doesn't redownload revs it already has? Jul 25 20:45:22 what do you think about the quick fault? Jul 25 20:45:28 if we have libhardware/libaudio source now, not just legacy, it might make sense to try to get donut working on raphs Jul 25 20:45:40 zeezee: probably a library problem Jul 25 20:46:29 how do solve it? Jul 25 20:47:11 since zygote itself is crashing there's not much you can do Jul 25 20:47:11 well I 've placed my question on android-platform, if anybody knows the answer it will be welcome Jul 25 20:47:20 aoriani: what's your question? Jul 25 20:47:33 just reflash? Jul 25 20:47:42 or flash stock? Jul 25 20:47:55 flash whatever Jul 25 20:47:59 tmzt: how to have an app include in a "user" build? Jul 25 20:48:10 but it's not sd card or fs problem Jul 25 20:48:24 i flashed haykuro 1.5r3 and its fine Jul 25 20:48:32 but then this again...and doesnt work Jul 25 20:49:04 probably because the flash you have is bad or corrupt Jul 25 20:49:10 sorry Jul 25 20:49:12 the image Jul 25 20:49:18 not the flash in the phone Jul 25 20:49:27 Bluetooth support for the emulator, is anyone working on it? Jul 25 20:49:46 commit dc5ffb8e544e533a269960ddb78e38fb491d8ab6 to dalvik breaks a lot of shit Jul 25 20:51:05 it worked once tho lol Jul 25 20:51:07 Hmmm, the change description implies that anything that breaks wasn't playing by the rules. Jul 25 20:52:22 cyanogen: Breaking things in the base Android distribution or Market apps? Jul 25 20:52:26 i'll open a bug on it when i have this rebuilt with the exceptions Jul 25 20:52:41 zeezee: that iamge worked? Jul 25 20:52:58 yea Jul 25 20:53:04 but now it doesnt and hasnt Jul 25 20:53:07 since Jul 25 20:53:16 that's odd Jul 25 20:53:18 and b4 it worked it didnt work again Jul 25 20:53:23 <|Rain|> cyanogen: do you know what that switcher applet is called? Jul 25 20:54:09 the power manager? Jul 25 20:55:36 <|Rain|> yeah Jul 25 20:55:50 <|Rain|> I'm looking for it in the tree Jul 25 20:56:20 Macer, I didnt get you. Jul 25 20:56:49 im redownloading cyanogen 3.6.8.1 Jul 25 20:57:00 to make sure it isnt corrupted Jul 25 21:00:04 huh? Jul 25 21:00:15 maheshs: i forgot what i told you Jul 25 21:00:27 i'm working on making "yet another wordpress site" Jul 25 21:00:27 haha Jul 25 21:00:46 i'm turnin mass vhosting and installing into an art Jul 25 21:00:56 i think later i'll write a script to do it all for me :) Jul 25 21:01:26 can someone try to get to http://tech.rancorous.net Jul 25 21:01:29 and let me know if it works? Jul 25 21:01:56 Forbidden Jul 25 21:02:03 oh crap Jul 25 21:02:12 er.. http://tech.rancorous.net/wordpress Jul 25 21:02:13 ? Jul 25 21:02:26 forgot there are a few extra steps to make it the domain Jul 25 21:02:32 yeah Jul 25 21:02:34 er.. to make it the root hostname index Jul 25 21:02:36 aewsome Jul 25 21:02:39 tnx Jul 25 21:02:46 lol Jul 25 21:02:57 is http://tech.rancorous.net directed to / Jul 25 21:02:58 ? Jul 25 21:03:24 ah ok... got it Jul 25 21:03:45 you uploaded the whole wordpress directory Jul 25 21:04:10 hahaha Jul 25 21:04:54 lol Jul 25 21:05:01 i just unzipped it Jul 25 21:05:08 ;) i'm working on it still Jul 25 21:05:16 www.rancorous.net is going already Jul 25 21:05:21 wordpress takes like 3 mins to set up Jul 25 21:05:32 takes another 30 to install the widgets and themes and crap Jul 25 21:05:39 it does? Jul 25 21:05:41 and that's it .. off to the races Jul 25 21:05:50 tmzt: well.. to find the themes Jul 25 21:06:00 don't you extract to wp-content/themes Jul 25 21:06:03 and enable in the config Jul 25 21:06:03 the actual install takes takes about 7 mins of actual work Jul 25 21:06:08 tmzt: yup Jul 25 21:06:08 heh Jul 25 21:06:15 but you have to pick nice looking ones ;) Jul 25 21:06:16 haha Jul 25 21:06:28 so most of the time is spent searching on what you want it to look like Jul 25 21:06:33 of the hundreds of thousands of themes Jul 25 21:06:39 then again there is always you making one yourself Jul 25 21:06:48 Installed file list: out/target/product/dream-open/installed-files.txt Jul 25 21:06:49 cheer Jul 25 21:06:53 why are you hosting all these wordpress pages Jul 25 21:07:07 shahon: i have 2 :-P Jul 25 21:07:15 i wouldn't exactly call taht "all these" heh Jul 25 21:07:20 ah ok.... [23:01] i'm turnin mass vhosting and installing into an art Jul 25 21:07:27 shahon: i was joking ;) Jul 25 21:07:49 although there are a few people taht might want some Jul 25 21:07:53 on rancorous.net ;) Jul 25 21:08:31 Macarse: well, might be a bit late on my side Jul 25 21:09:22 "Because we don't care if your children die." xD Jul 25 21:13:06 tmzt: ok now it fails on crating the JavaVM Jul 25 21:13:34 creating Jul 25 21:13:34 which is the same thing I think Jul 25 21:13:57 wait, this is a different rom? Jul 25 21:14:07 no cyanogens Jul 25 21:14:18 no,* Jul 25 21:14:29 same as the one that zygote failed on? Jul 25 21:14:35 yea Jul 25 21:15:06 maybe it's really something in init.rc then Jul 25 21:15:21 you flashed his boot.img also? Jul 25 21:15:28 it says DexOpt: incorrect opt magic number Jul 25 21:15:49 cyanogen: ? Jul 25 21:15:52 what is our latest rumours on flash on android btw lads?.. its beyond android dev's shirley.. but curious of any hopeful news of late Jul 25 21:17:15 woo Jul 25 21:17:22 400MB of what, 7 gigs down. :D Jul 25 21:17:41 http://pastebin.com/d3868a6a5 Jul 25 21:18:18 cyanogen, you'll have cm-3.9.1 or whatever before i have the tree even downloaded Jul 25 21:18:19 :P Jul 25 21:18:59 ah Jul 25 21:19:13 cyanogen: I think she has something readonly Jul 25 21:19:52 it says ext.jar is stale and not writable Jul 25 21:19:56 where is /system? Jul 25 21:21:25 :( Jul 25 21:23:12 zeezee: are you using cyanogen boot.img? Jul 25 21:23:18 yea Jul 25 21:23:21 1.3.1 Jul 25 21:23:26 anything from init in logcat? Jul 25 21:23:31 nope Jul 25 21:23:41 lolcat Jul 25 21:23:42 i mean his recov. 1.3.1 Jul 25 21:23:54 his recovery pwns Jul 25 21:24:09 and boot.img? Jul 25 21:24:31 that's important because you have to use cyanogen's kernel Jul 25 21:25:16 thats included in the update.zip if im not mistaken tho? Jul 25 21:25:28 yeah Jul 25 21:25:30 ok Jul 25 21:28:27 well this time it started and i didnt do ANYthing Jul 25 21:28:36 now lets see if it can do it again Jul 25 21:29:09 nvm it froze and crashed Jul 25 21:29:28 tmzt you dont need to use his kernel to use his recovery Jul 25 21:29:56 it cant open any packages Jul 25 21:29:59 ROBJACKSON, omgz celebrity Jul 25 21:31:57 TommyBres: recovery has a kernel in it Jul 25 21:32:05 oh. Jul 25 21:32:15 * TommyBres shrugs Jul 25 21:32:21 http://pastebin.com/d5a8b30ce Jul 25 21:32:26 zeezee: something is just not right Jul 25 21:32:30 i just fastboot flashed recovery.img Jul 25 21:32:30 can you adb shell? Jul 25 21:33:11 I see you use partitionmagic :) Jul 25 21:33:16 CONFIG_TOUCHSCREEN_MTOUCH Jul 25 21:33:25 o.O Jul 25 21:33:50 cyanogen: yeah, but the google version is a little weird, read the thread on linux-kernel Jul 25 21:33:57 nevermind Jul 25 21:34:01 i did use the one in cyanogens recovery but still Jul 25 21:34:03 didnt work Jul 25 21:34:33 why is it trying to flash recovery.img? Jul 25 21:34:40 and why can't it find it? Jul 25 21:35:03 idk Jul 25 21:35:06 yea i saw that Jul 25 21:35:10 ihave no idea Jul 25 21:36:15 sigh... Jul 25 21:36:32 if i flash stock, it will replace everything right? Jul 25 21:36:38 yes Jul 25 21:36:41 you mean rc29? Jul 25 21:36:56 just any tmo Jul 25 21:37:12 tmo fo sho Jul 25 21:37:16 and it will overwrite the recovery too? Jul 25 21:37:25 what? Jul 25 21:37:32 926MB down? Jul 25 21:38:21 zeezee: yeah, but you can take just boot.img and the system stuff if you want Jul 25 21:38:29 I think so at least Jul 25 21:38:54 omg im so fustrated x.x Jul 25 21:39:15 I'm really lost here Jul 25 21:39:29 it looks like something is not being mounted by cyano's scripts Jul 25 21:39:37 hes busy working on donut though Jul 25 21:39:59 ill revert to haykuros for now then.. Jul 25 21:40:08 oh Jul 25 21:40:11 which one? Jul 25 21:40:16 1.5r3 Jul 25 21:40:29 is that the one that bricks with bad radio? Jul 25 21:40:38 ive been using this one.. Jul 25 21:40:43 so i dont think it is Jul 25 21:41:48 grr Jul 25 21:42:20 wait, did you copy recovery.img or was that supposed to be put in data automatically? Jul 25 21:42:43 i did it throught the previous rom Jul 25 21:42:47 through Jul 25 21:42:58 but you wiped data you said Jul 25 21:43:03 so it wouldn't be there Jul 25 21:43:30 hey it's got a boot animation service Jul 25 21:43:32 recovery.img is already in the recovery mem Jul 25 21:43:38 themers are gonna love this Jul 25 21:43:56 yeah, but cyano's scripts were trying to flash it Jul 25 21:43:59 in your pastebin Jul 25 21:44:09 http://pastebin.com/d5a8b30ce Jul 25 21:44:20 i dont know why Jul 25 21:44:26 its automated i didnt edit it Jul 25 21:44:37 why's my donut download only 929MB? :x Jul 25 21:45:06 lul, doughnut ftw Jul 25 21:45:19 donut: 929 calories Jul 25 21:45:27 lmfao Jul 25 21:45:36 heeee Jul 25 21:45:42 why's this sync stalled, more like Jul 25 21:46:07 okay, I flashed donut to my G1.. let's see what kind of fireworks it creates Jul 25 21:46:10 did you already have cupcake checked out? Jul 25 21:46:16 tmzt, this was a new dir Jul 25 21:46:22 init'd -b donut then repo sync Jul 25 21:46:24 stalled at 4% Jul 25 21:47:07 probably unloading bionic Jul 25 21:49:58 rob stop quitting Jul 25 21:50:06 ...he didnt listen Jul 25 21:50:06 he cant help it Jul 25 21:50:13 suure he cant Jul 25 21:50:37 * TommyBres hax 98.218.55.141 Jul 25 21:50:53 lol Jul 25 21:51:03 hack 127.0.0.1, they always have the same tastes in stuff that you do :p Jul 25 21:51:22 ergh Jul 25 21:51:23 sparkle i wonder why that is Jul 25 21:51:23 fak Jul 25 21:51:29 LOL trigglemeelmo Jul 25 21:51:42 robert you silly goose Jul 25 21:52:15 sigh Jul 25 21:52:16 screw it Jul 25 21:52:21 i'll just go in and use unlink Jul 25 21:52:22 do it harshly Jul 25 21:53:38 oh christ Jul 25 21:53:42 i've got zombie processes everywhere Jul 25 21:53:47 something locked up Jul 25 21:53:57 drive issues, probably Jul 25 21:54:40 there we go Jul 25 22:01:50 flashing to my g1 now Jul 25 22:01:55 lucky Jul 25 22:02:16 DONE Jul 25 22:03:08 cyanogen, im jealous Jul 25 22:03:16 okayyy Jul 25 22:03:20 my donut is building Jul 25 22:03:20 :D Jul 25 22:03:31 repo init -u git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/manifest.git Jul 25 22:03:32 er Jul 25 22:03:34 frameworks/policies/base/PolicyConfig.mk:22: *** No module defined for the given PRODUCT_POLICY (android.policy_phone). Stop. Jul 25 22:03:36 fuckkkkk Jul 25 22:03:47 shouldn't opencore be linking with libOmxCore.so? Jul 25 22:03:52 it's not :( Jul 25 22:03:53 Damn, I'd really like to know what causes that... :( Jul 25 22:04:06 we'll have to trace the lines, then Jul 25 22:04:43 cyanogen: possibly because libOmxCore is for OpenCORE 1, and donut uses OpenCORE 2 (which might need different proprietary files as the back-end) Jul 25 22:04:54 I hate that proprietary bullcrap Jul 25 22:05:17 ugh Jul 25 22:05:18 it's life Jul 25 22:05:19 so don't expect video support for awhile huh :( Jul 25 22:05:25 :( Jul 25 22:05:30 jbq, I don't know if you can answer this, but are there plans in the works to open opencore? Jul 25 22:05:44 semiopencore Jul 25 22:05:49 notsoopencore Jul 25 22:06:11 isn't opencore the most open part of the system (maybe second to the kernel)? Jul 25 22:06:32 jbq, I meant for us mortals, like for use in the NDK or even in the Java layer Jul 25 22:06:51 jbq: is flash support coming with donut? :D Jul 25 22:07:08 TommyBres, isn't it in Hero? Jul 25 22:07:09 Ah. I don't know. I do know that its APIs change quickly, so exposing them would require to freeze them, which could cause problems in the future. Jul 25 22:07:19 TommyBres: Flash is not coming in Donut Jul 25 22:07:22 kny yes, that wasnt the question though Jul 25 22:07:29 romainguy thanks Jul 25 22:07:32 and Hero has Flash Lite Jul 25 22:07:46 Another issue is that exposing OpenCORE as part of the API would make it pretty much impossible for anyone to use a different media framework, whereas higher-level APIs can be more portable. Jul 25 22:08:03 jbq, I'm going to take that as a "no" then :) thanks Jul 25 22:08:18 why only flash lite romainguy? and what exactly are the restrictions from full flash Jul 25 22:08:21 Take it as "I don't know for sure but I'd be surprised" Jul 25 22:08:40 TommyBres: I don't know why, ask HTC; as for the differences, check out Adobe's web site Jul 25 22:08:41 jbq, yeah, so for the forseeable future that's a "no" haha Jul 25 22:08:54 it blows me away that skyfire has been out for a looong time with full flash support on winmo yet other os's cant get it :( Jul 25 22:09:08 romainguy will do, thx Jul 25 22:09:27 TommyBres, I suppose you can point the blame at Adobe for that... Jul 25 22:09:48 skyfire didnt need adobe... Jul 25 22:10:03 thats an independent project Jul 25 22:10:16 TommyBres, you said it's winmo though. Flash Player (lite) has existed for winmo since forever Jul 25 22:10:37 eh Jul 25 22:11:04 im not sure how relevant flash lite is to full flash support, but brb while i do some readin Jul 25 22:11:50 jbq, i'm eating right now, but i'd like to sit down and try and figure out what the hell is going on with this damn donut build Jul 25 22:12:02 if i'm missing a tool (most likely case) i'd need to figure out what it is :) Jul 25 22:12:44 well Jul 25 22:12:45 Yeah - the current situation sucks, and I'd love to get a fix for it. Jul 25 22:12:50 mediaserver is segfaulting over and over Jul 25 22:13:32 cyanogen: damn :( - like the last time I merged donut into master Jul 25 22:13:51 damn opencore Jul 25 22:14:06 sigh Jul 25 22:14:21 oh i missed a file Jul 25 22:14:24 libhtc_acoustic Jul 25 22:15:07 that made it happy Jul 25 22:15:19 sweet, glad to hear that. Jul 25 22:15:35 its alive!! Jul 25 22:15:53 :O Jul 25 22:16:31 cyanogen: now you know how Dr. Frankenstein must have felt. Jul 25 22:18:45 i need to go get my g1. i want to flash it now Jul 25 22:18:54 doittt Jul 25 22:19:38 i let my dad borrow my g1 when i started using my magic Jul 25 22:20:34 hm Jul 25 22:20:37 JesusFreke: you around? Jul 25 22:20:47 cyanogen: It booted up? Jul 25 22:21:42 no :) Jul 25 22:22:34 yep Jul 25 22:23:01 lots of stuff not working though Jul 25 22:23:01 <_Auron_> this bug makes me want to murder people Jul 25 22:23:17 are you going to post a build today? i want to play with it Jul 25 22:24:15 <_Auron_> JesusFreke: I know you don't do app dev, but do you have any idea wtf would cause "Launch timeout has expired, giving up wake lock!"? Jul 25 22:27:10 nope. I saw you talking about it earlier (yesterday?). But I don't know.. Jul 25 22:27:18 are you doing any sort of synchronization? Jul 25 22:27:33 maybe you're deadlocking or something Jul 25 22:27:48 _Auron_, have you posted it to android-developers ? Jul 25 22:29:00 _Auron_, I found what's causing it: if (mLaunchingActivity.isHeld()) { Log.w(TAG, "Launch timeout has expired, giving up wake lock!"); Jul 25 22:29:01 :) Jul 25 22:29:43 _Auron_: I'd guess the activity's onCreate is taking too long Jul 25 22:31:14 JesusFreke: when are you gonna release an eu image that doesnt give teh security updater notice :P Jul 25 22:32:20 well, SetupWizard doesn't work Jul 25 22:32:22 thats a problem Jul 25 22:32:59 W/dalvikvm( 378): VFY: unable to resolve static field 24 (UNKNOWN) in Lcom/android/internal/telephony/SimCard$State; Jul 25 22:33:06 why? Jul 25 22:33:55 * tech9iner grumbles lion like @ sucktard xda-dev site wiki.. one of weirdest of all forum wikis seen.. Jul 25 22:34:10 great info.. but the site itself sucketh teats Jul 25 22:34:43 and setupwizard isn't open source Jul 25 22:35:25 * cyanogen baksmali's it :) Jul 25 22:36:01 why is setupwizard needed? Jul 25 22:37:02 <|Rain|> because none of the google apps work without it Jul 25 22:38:50 cyanogen: :D Jul 25 22:39:14 (05:34:50 PM) tech9iner: great info.. but the site itself sucketh teats Jul 25 22:39:17 oh, for login? Jul 25 22:39:17 you say that like it's a bad thing Jul 25 22:39:35 lol.. Jul 25 22:39:44 JesusFreke: nice retort ;]] Jul 25 22:39:58 JesusFreke: sir winston churchill? zatt you?.. ;]] Jul 25 22:40:22 back from the dead Jul 25 22:42:51 JesusFreke: "yes madam i am drunk. and you are ugly! yet in the morning i shall be sober!" ;]] Jul 25 22:43:34 lol Jul 25 22:44:28 JesusFreke: :-P where is a site on how to flash your rom? Jul 25 22:44:34 like from downgrade to update? Jul 25 22:45:01 heck if I know. I'm sure google can help :) Jul 25 22:45:53 LOL! Jul 25 22:45:56 XDA mebbey? :) Jul 25 22:45:56 that's kind of sad man :) Jul 25 22:46:00 hahahaa!! Jul 25 22:46:20 for shame :) Jul 25 22:46:51 well. let me find a page on how to downgrade and update to JF 1.51 :-P Jul 25 22:49:31 hrm this is a big api change Jul 25 22:51:19 don't know if i can fix setupwizard Jul 25 22:51:46 <_Auron_> _Auron_: I'd guess the activity's onCreate is taking too long <-- what if I get this lock and I have a log message as the first line in onCreate that never gets run? Jul 25 22:52:07 <_Auron|G1_> what then? Jul 25 22:53:56 what do you guy know about this kernel option echo ?? > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_ratio Jul 25 22:54:47 dirty_radio? Jul 25 22:54:48 _Auron_: shot in the dark - maybe the thread that the call to oncreate is being marshalled to is busy doing something else (this happens when you go back into the app, right?) Jul 25 22:54:59 (i.e. not starting the app from scratch) Jul 25 22:55:00 increasing is supposedly good for battery Jul 25 22:55:13 <_Auron|G1_> correct Jul 25 22:55:23 ill bet it makes the range suck even more Jul 25 22:55:33 GSM range Jul 25 22:55:37 twois10: I think the correct syntax is echo "soap" > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_radio Jul 25 22:55:45 lol Jul 25 22:56:01 lolll Jul 25 22:56:34 heh Jul 25 22:56:40 grr Jul 25 22:56:47 lol i take that back that i could live w/o a keyboard Jul 25 22:56:57 irc without one is impossible lol Jul 25 22:56:57 Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt:- dirty_ratio Jul 25 22:57:04 JesusFreke: am being serious Jul 25 22:57:16 twois10: I'm not :) Jul 25 22:57:21 i know Jul 25 22:57:25 twois10: mostly because I"m not familiar with it Jul 25 22:57:30 oh i see whats going on Jul 25 22:57:33 no prob Jul 25 22:57:50 but seriously, it is supposed to help battery life Jul 25 22:58:03 gewgle it Jul 25 22:58:17 have you poked around in the kernel source for it, or googled for it? Jul 25 22:58:26 the default setting on G1 is 10, am thinking higher number will help Jul 25 22:58:36 dirty_ratio Jul 25 22:58:36 ----------------- Jul 25 22:58:36 Contains, as a percentage of total system memory, the number of pages at which Jul 25 22:58:36 a process which is generating disk writes will itself start writing out dirty Jul 25 22:58:38 data. Jul 25 22:58:52 * cyanogen runs smali Jul 25 22:58:53 heh Jul 25 22:59:07 * jbq sinks his teeth into the merge from donut to master, and wishes Google had implemented a sensible process earlier. Jul 25 22:59:10 JesusFreke: i know what it does, i just want other opinions Jul 25 22:59:22 if you want to know more you need to read the kernel vm source, or maybe the various pages on tuning linux kernels Jul 25 22:59:28 but it has nothign to do with gsm Jul 25 22:59:57 tmzt: i know exactly what it does... i just what the devs here to give it a thought Jul 25 23:00:08 twois10: what does it do? Jul 25 23:00:12 This value, expressed as a percentage of total system memory, defines the limit at which Jul 25 23:00:14 processes which are generating dirty buffers will begin to synchronously write out data to disk, Jul 25 23:00:15 rather than relying on the pdflush daemons to do it. Jul 25 23:00:17 Increasing this value tends to make disk write access and response times faster for a for I/O Jul 25 23:00:18 intensive processes ONLY if enough I/O bandwidth is available. If this parameter is tuned up Jul 25 23:00:20 too high, it may cause an I/O bottleneck by sending too many requests at once. Jul 25 23:00:26 Nighty-night. Jul 25 23:00:53 AakashPatelADP1: :) Jul 25 23:01:10 you should run wordpress in apache Jul 25 23:01:18 to blog your development of android apps Jul 25 23:01:19 :-P Jul 25 23:01:22 so what is the percentage part about, how much memory has to be filled with buffers before it even matters? Jul 25 23:01:28 lol Jul 25 23:01:34 will it blend? Jul 25 23:01:35 macer why Jul 25 23:01:49 AakashPatelADP1: as t help future app developers strive to be like you Jul 25 23:01:54 cyanogen: hands off of my phone! Jul 25 23:01:55 :) Jul 25 23:02:04 maybe you should start with the hidd keyboard app Jul 25 23:02:16 that you have 21 days left to complete Jul 25 23:02:18 :-P Jul 25 23:02:26 macer lol and tell them whats possible and ehats not Jul 25 23:02:43 tmzt: the reason is matters is because pdflush runs often and by increasing this number pdflush does not run as often hence reduce cpu time...which is good for the battery Jul 25 23:02:51 does not blend :( Jul 25 23:02:54 cuz i had another idea last night and im not sure its possible for sure either Jul 25 23:03:04 ill find out tonight :/ Jul 25 23:03:06 AakashPatelADP1: www.rancorous.net and tech.rancorous.net Jul 25 23:03:09 both wordpress ;) Jul 25 23:03:13 wordpress is awesome Jul 25 23:03:14 heh Jul 25 23:03:18 on phone lol Jul 25 23:03:20 i'm making my android one on tech now Jul 25 23:03:27 and there is an android app for it Jul 25 23:03:32 (believe it or not) Jul 25 23:03:33 ill probably get disconnectred Jul 25 23:03:39 get disconnected? Jul 25 23:03:45 yea Jul 25 23:03:50 why? Jul 25 23:03:59 twois10: I'm not sure how it matters which process uses the cpu, it's still using cpu Jul 25 23:04:05 it's lightweight ;) Jul 25 23:04:16 also, how disk i/o intensive are apps on the g1? Jul 25 23:04:22 you should be able to see it without it sucking up everything under the sun on your phone Jul 25 23:04:27 like.. zimbra in ajax mode :) Jul 25 23:04:27 do you get anywhere near the limits? Jul 25 23:04:40 the only time i was able to get the zimbra ajax mode to work was by making a swap partition on my sd Jul 25 23:04:43 haha Jul 25 23:04:43 that was so ghetto Jul 25 23:05:34 tmzt: it's all about efficiency and getting the most out of the device Jul 25 23:05:34 W/dalvikvm( 1800): VFY: unable to resolve static field 24 (UNKNOWN) in Lcom/android/internal/telephony/gsm/SimCard$State; Jul 25 23:05:37 it hates me :( Jul 25 23:06:13 evening,morning,afternoon Jul 25 23:06:20 macer told you lol Jul 25 23:06:28 twois10: I would think it's about rigour and understanding the processes before you try tuning them Jul 25 23:06:40 which is why I trust linux vm people to do it Jul 25 23:07:05 cyanogen: any way to relink? Jul 25 23:07:22 the api changed to support cdma Jul 25 23:07:22 ? Jul 25 23:07:31 dude Jul 25 23:07:34 wtf are you using for irc? Jul 25 23:07:37 trying to reverse eng it Jul 25 23:07:57 AakashPatelADP1: are you using an actual phone client? Jul 25 23:08:00 macer androidirc.net Jul 25 23:08:03 yea Jul 25 23:08:09 tmzt: understand the process. i am hoping others who understand what it does can contribute some thought....the process has to be combined with others such as the /proc/sys/vm/dirty_writeback_centisecs and /proc/sys/vm/dirty_expire_centisecs Jul 25 23:08:10 AakashPatelADP1: something wrong with your shell? Jul 25 23:08:25 havent set it up right Jul 25 23:08:28 ohhh Jul 25 23:08:28 try #1 Jul 25 23:08:31 #2 even Jul 25 23:08:36 AakashPatelADP1: you want a shell? Jul 25 23:08:42 Oh, hey cyanogen. Jul 25 23:08:42 twois10: well, most of the people here are developing custom roms or applications, not tuning the kernel Jul 25 23:08:46 sure? Jul 25 23:08:53 you need somebody familiar with that stuff Jul 25 23:08:56 AakashPatelADP1: give me a few minutes.. don't ever use that crappy irc app again Jul 25 23:09:00 haha Jul 25 23:09:03 haha okay Jul 25 23:09:06 I'm on JF 1.51, and wanna try out cyanogen. Do I need a different radio/SPL? Jul 25 23:09:08 you should be ashamed yourself for doing so :) Jul 25 23:09:08 2 bars Jul 25 23:09:12 give me a few minutes Jul 25 23:09:16 i'll maek you one Jul 25 23:09:17 * AakashPatelADP1 smacks wrist Jul 25 23:09:24 k thx Jul 25 23:10:01 there are a few people who know a thing or tow kernels. believe me. I dont want to put them on the spot though Jul 25 23:10:19 a thing or two about kernels* Jul 25 23:12:11 * cyanogen turns on the blender Jul 25 23:12:47 wtf i just got 300 followers on twitter Jul 25 23:12:58 So, yeah. Do I need any radios, SPLs, etc. to switch from JF 1.51 to cyanogen's ROM? Jul 25 23:13:39 success! Jul 25 23:13:44 check your device release version before you brick Jul 25 23:13:45 rild segfaulting tho Jul 25 23:15:21 Possible248: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537204 read everything on there and you will find your answer Jul 25 23:15:36 I mean read every word on the first post Jul 25 23:15:44 Wickednix: Thanks. Google was confusing me a bit. Jul 25 23:15:56 can't get a data connection :( Jul 25 23:16:31 cyanogen: is this 3.9.1 or 4.0? Jul 25 23:17:00 eh i'm working on donut Jul 25 23:17:29 oh, even better Jul 25 23:19:42 5 bars! Jul 25 23:22:08 mmhmmm cherry limeaide and vodka Jul 25 23:22:37 one bar which has enough booze is enough for me Jul 25 23:23:33 haha Jul 25 23:24:26 Okay Jul 25 23:24:47 So using the radio linked in cyanogen's post, and HardSPL, I should have a not-bricked phone that runs cyanogen's ROM, right? Jul 25 23:25:25 jbq, you around? Jul 25 23:25:30 yup Jul 25 23:25:35 possible248: boot up with camera+power Jul 25 23:25:40 I want to try and start debugging this silly donut error Jul 25 23:25:53 see if you have pvt version Jul 25 23:26:17 just use regular HardSPL and not DangerSPL :) Jul 25 23:26:21 twois10: okay. rebooting Jul 25 23:26:28 AakashPatelADP1: ? Jul 25 23:26:30 you around? Jul 25 23:26:34 Yuki: What is DangerSPL? Jul 25 23:26:35 ya Jul 25 23:26:39 2 bars Jul 25 23:26:42 lol Jul 25 23:26:58 Hyakuro's "new" SPL that gives you more room and stuff, but has a tendancy to destory phones :) Jul 25 23:27:13 flashing bootloaders does that in general Jul 25 23:27:32 you only need it if you want to run big roms such as hero roms and stuff, but regular uberfast superroms like cyanogen's and jf's don't require it Jul 25 23:27:32 twois10: I have PVT Jul 25 23:27:35 (we used to lose 4% of phones on average whenever we switched bootloaders) Jul 25 23:27:46 jbq, that's rediculous. Jul 25 23:27:51 Wait, really? Jul 25 23:28:02 possible248, new phone, right? Jul 25 23:28:08 Yuki: Yes. Jul 25 23:28:13 if you brick it just take it back and say it died or something Jul 25 23:28:16 warranty repair :D Jul 25 23:28:25 Yuki, can I PM you? Jul 25 23:28:32 just say it all in channel Jul 25 23:28:44 Uh... Jul 25 23:28:53 never mind. I'll keep it to myself. :) Jul 25 23:29:08 Whaaa? :) Jul 25 23:29:23 possible248: flash the new radio then the spl. http://code.google.com/p/sapphire-port-dream/ Jul 25 23:29:32 E/dalvikvm( 2746): Could not find class 'android.provider.Sync$Settings$QueryMap', referenced from method com.google.android.gtalkservice.service.GTalkService.pollAutoSyncSetting Jul 25 23:29:39 api changes :( Jul 25 23:30:02 oi Jul 25 23:30:57 Actually, I think I'll chicken out and stick with JF 1.51 Jul 25 23:31:06 I've had bad experiences with flashing SPLs and radios. Jul 25 23:31:17 how is that? Jul 25 23:31:35 jf build is the first rooted build i used Jul 25 23:31:46 Well, I've bricked two Android phones. Jul 25 23:31:49 flash radio, then spl Jul 25 23:31:52 lol Jul 25 23:31:52 soooo simple Jul 25 23:31:56 It took a significant leap of courage to even root my third one. Jul 25 23:32:14 i bet you they werent bricked Jul 25 23:32:21 hi! Jul 25 23:32:45 never mind google apps Jul 25 23:32:49 can't get a data connection at all Jul 25 23:32:56 once spl is on, you usually get stuck at g1 screen but you can access recovery to add the rom of your choice Jul 25 23:33:03 possible248, cyanogen mods flash without changing spl, but radio update is always needed Jul 25 23:33:35 anyone speak spanish?? i need some help with adt plugin and eclipse :S:S Jul 25 23:33:58 ran htcmusic for an an hour now. batter started at 92%, now at 83%...how good or bad is this? Jul 25 23:34:08 battery* Jul 25 23:34:12 sounds good to me Jul 25 23:34:24 twois10: The first Android phone I "bricked" ended up not being bricked at all anyway. Jul 25 23:34:36 twobytes: Why don't you have the 2300 mAH battery? Jul 25 23:34:40 twois10: Jul 25 23:34:44 The second one was where I undeniably destroyed it by flashing the SPL before the radio. >-> Jul 25 23:35:05 Yuki: If I switch back to JF 1.51, do I need to downgrade the radio? Jul 25 23:35:29 anyone can help me please? Jul 25 23:35:32 darweth: you mean that battery on steroids? Jul 25 23:35:37 alrighty Jul 25 23:35:44 hopefully he comes back soon :) Jul 25 23:35:54 possible248, no, the radio upgrade is cupcake radio Jul 25 23:35:57 not just for one image Jul 25 23:36:06 twois10: well, i think the phone is much more usable with more width and bulk. Jul 25 23:36:09 possible248: no. from what i hear jf build is good Jul 25 23:36:10 irregardless, for stability battery and general functionality you need the radio update Jul 25 23:36:14 it's not just update radio for spl Jul 25 23:36:28 the "radio" update is a firmware update for everything from bluetooth to wifi Jul 25 23:36:31 i used jf builds until cupcake came out Jul 25 23:36:32 Yuki: My phone came with Cupcake. Do I need the update? Jul 25 23:36:36 cupcake ships with libraries that sync to it Jul 25 23:36:41 check your version, it's probably the same :) Jul 25 23:36:50 i would have gone jf but he delayed a little before he released his Jul 25 23:37:08 heh oops Jul 25 23:37:29 darweth: are we going through this again, lol Jul 25 23:37:31 but most likely, if it came with cupcake, it has the current firmware version Jul 25 23:37:38 yayyy Jul 25 23:37:40 heh Jul 25 23:37:44 uhm :) Jul 25 23:37:48 forgot to change your shell to bash Jul 25 23:37:48 twois10: through what? the 2300 mah battery is the bomb Jul 25 23:37:53 not sure if that matters now Jul 25 23:37:56 i don't like slim phones Jul 25 23:38:08 but if you need to use bash you can just /bin/bash .. otherwise logout and back in Jul 25 23:38:15 when i use the regular android battery, feels like i am using an iphone. scary. Jul 25 23:38:18 and i was so totally supposed to msg that to you haha Jul 25 23:38:25 oops Jul 25 23:38:34 Macer: hahaha Jul 25 23:38:38 darweth: well, to each... Jul 25 23:38:39 1 hour of merging donut into master... I managed to get to the point where "lunch generic-eng" doesn't die... Jul 25 23:38:40 reg g1 i mean Jul 25 23:38:49 ugh Jul 25 23:39:27 AakashPatel: but just so you know.. i changed yoru shell to bash just now.. it's that i haven't set up ldap or nis on these damn things Jul 25 23:39:32 ugh Jul 25 23:39:32 which seriously needs to be my next project Jul 25 23:39:38 just Jul 25 23:39:41 UGH !#$(P@#U% Jul 25 23:39:48 Camera+Power says that my radio version is 1.22.29, and the latest radio at Haykuro's GoogleCode is 2.22.19.26I. I certainly need to upgrade, right? Jul 25 23:39:54 it looks like my settings are helping with battery power usage Jul 25 23:40:05 macer ill logout and in in afew mins Jul 25 23:40:13 jbq, this damn error is driving me insane Jul 25 23:40:32 product_policy is defined... but Jul 25 23:40:37 i cant install adt 0.9.1 on eclipse 3.4... intalation goes fine but the plugin dont appear on windows preferences any idea????? Jul 25 23:40:37 jbq, gimme your bash --version Jul 25 23:40:53 make --version as well Jul 25 23:40:57 GNU bash, version 3.2.39(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Jul 25 23:41:16 GNU Make 3.81 Jul 25 23:41:31 make is the same, my bash is a 4.x though, but i'm thinking now that it shouldn't make a difference Jul 25 23:42:13 im trying to install adt 0.9.1 on eclipse 3.4... intalation goes fine but the plugin dont appear on windows preferences any idea????? Jul 25 23:42:25 now to find out where policyconfig is invoked Jul 25 23:42:41 * romainguy still trying to convince people Donut is not Android 2.0 Jul 25 23:43:04 Cupcake is not 1.5 either. Jul 25 23:43:05 1.5r3 Jul 25 23:43:12 jbq: know anything about this SetupWizard stuff? Jul 25 23:43:25 tmzt: nope Jul 25 23:44:21 i got it working already :) Jul 25 23:44:28 oh, good Jul 25 23:44:35 cyanogen, submit patches? XD Jul 25 23:44:36 I see that it doesn't say UNKNOWN now Jul 25 23:45:43 where the hell is policyconfig.mk invoked from Jul 25 23:45:48 sigh Jul 25 23:45:51 tracing from main, i suppose Jul 25 23:46:00 ok linux continues failing i think im gonna try eclipse on windows... sure it works :D Jul 25 23:47:04 W/StatusBar( 3834): Icon not found in : 0 Jul 25 23:47:06 wtf Jul 25 23:47:54 ugh Jul 25 23:48:14 anyone have installed last android sdk with the adt plugin (0.9.1) on eclipse (3.4) ??? Jul 25 23:48:15 what happens if i just comment out that policy makefile? Jul 25 23:48:25 I found it's invocation in main.mk Jul 25 23:48:41 thing will break very very badly... policy is what controls the overall behavior of the device. Jul 25 23:48:49 oh, right. :) Jul 25 23:49:06 jbq: well if you don't want windows... :)) Jul 25 23:49:19 yeah, who needs windows... :) Jul 25 23:50:01 I have 1.5r2 + eclipse 3.4.0 Jul 25 23:50:26 in linux Jul 25 23:50:55 x64 with kernel 2.6.30.2 under ext4 Jul 25 23:51:46 hi, i was wondering if it's possible to grab a binary from debian-lenny for arm, put it on the device and run it. i tried to do so (put the editor 'joe' in /system/bin) but i am unable to run it, getting a /system/bin/joe: not found when trying. Jul 25 23:52:03 am i missing something? Jul 25 23:52:44 hahaha Jul 25 23:52:54 Macer: guess what? turns out i already had irssi configued and ready on my server Jul 25 23:52:55 ? Jul 25 23:52:59 haha Jul 25 23:53:19 Where is product_policy defined? Jul 25 23:53:41 i just installed jf 1.51 on my g1. any cool ideas for stuff to do on it now? :) Jul 25 23:53:56 rgrasell: su then rm -rf / Jul 25 23:53:57 :D Jul 25 23:53:57 cyanogen: Did you repo upload patches to get dream-open to compile out of the box? Jul 25 23:54:07 (dont do it!) Jul 25 23:54:23 lol im smarter than that :P im a pretty avid linux user Jul 25 23:54:28 :D Jul 25 23:54:33 lol some poeple arent ;) Jul 25 23:54:39 * sammyF slaps AakashPatel with a rainbow trout for doing that Jul 25 23:54:49 * AakashPatel takes a bite out of the trout Jul 25 23:54:52 mmmm sushi! Jul 25 23:54:57 well too bad for them. as for me i know to avoid anything containg 'rm -rf /*' Jul 25 23:55:05 system_server keeps segfaulting :( Jul 25 23:55:07 rgrasell: i ran that on my phone before Jul 25 23:55:10 lol just for fun Jul 25 23:55:41 AakashPatel: what happened? how did you recover? Jul 25 23:55:51 reflashed everything Jul 25 23:55:54 it froze Jul 25 23:56:02 and i couldnt boot up again lol Jul 25 23:56:11 lol Jul 25 23:56:21 so anyway do you have any good ideas? fo Jul 25 23:56:28 for awesome things to do on a rooted g1? Jul 25 23:56:39 tether? Jul 25 23:56:53 lol Jul 25 23:57:07 cyanogen: SIGSEGV or SIGBUS? Jul 25 23:57:17 YES i was gonna ask about that. I want to tether to my linux laptop over bluetooth. is that possible? a quick google seesion didnt really give me any results Jul 25 23:57:40 sigsegv Jul 25 23:57:42 rgrasell, tetherblu I believe Jul 25 23:57:50 is it an app in the market? Jul 25 23:58:01 nope Jul 25 23:58:04 :) Jul 25 23:58:08 google it Jul 25 23:58:09 rgrasell: No, you have to do some dance. Jul 25 23:58:15 lol ok. is it an apk? Jul 25 23:59:11 hi, i was wondering if it's possible to grab a binary from debian-lenny for arm, put it on the device and run it. i tried to do so (put the editor 'joe' in /system/bin and chmoded it 777) but i am unable to run it, getting a /system/bin/joe: not found when trying. Jul 26 00:00:16 rgrasell: android wifi tether Jul 26 00:00:18 it does bluetooth also Jul 26 00:00:27 thanks Jul 26 00:00:31 * rgrasell googles Jul 26 00:00:44 wonderworld: what about dependencies does Android even come with glibc or compatible? Jul 26 00:01:14 heeey o have another quetion. Is there apt for android? and a repo? Jul 26 00:01:20 i am really not sure about that but with the latest JF, there are already some extra apps on the phone Jul 26 00:01:33 i don't know if he compiled them or just copied them from debian Jul 26 00:02:05 rgrasell: nope Jul 26 00:02:14 the market? i suppose Jul 26 00:02:15 jbq, do you know offhand where PRODUCT_POLICY or ALL_MODULES are defined? Jul 26 00:02:21 quit Jul 26 00:02:22 nope, sorry Jul 26 00:02:30 Ergh. Jul 26 00:02:36 This is not the side of android I wanted to get intimate with Jul 26 00:02:39 AakashPatel: as far as i can tell its technically possible right? Jul 26 00:02:41 it would be nice though, if Google would use apt for their market Jul 26 00:03:15 tbo: i agree. i like apt, as much as some people despise it :P Jul 26 00:03:35 yea Jul 26 00:03:36 it is Jul 26 00:03:36 sounds like a great 3rd-party opportunity Jul 26 00:04:00 rgrasell: apt has the advantage you could put any package system on it, it isn't limited to dpkg Jul 26 00:04:00 (i tried working on it, but failed) Jul 26 00:04:12 can a g1 connect to an ad-hoc network? it doesnt seem possible through the gui... Jul 26 00:04:35 AakashPatel: well. if you don't want to use mine that's fine ;) Jul 26 00:04:38 but it's there if you need it Jul 26 00:04:46 plus i get to learn how to do fun zfs stuff to your acct haha Jul 26 00:04:49 but at least, my Galaxy lasted over 12 hours today :-) Jul 26 00:04:52 like setting quotas Jul 26 00:04:58 :) which won't work right Jul 26 00:05:00 haha Jul 26 00:05:13 tbo: really? Jul 26 00:05:27 heh, my adp1 only lasted 9 Jul 26 00:05:39 more like 8 Jul 26 00:06:02 AakashPatel: yeah, and I used it quite often, had a call for about an hour Jul 26 00:06:32 wtf lol Jul 26 00:06:32 AakashPatel: and my 3G connection wasn't working well either, so I goes Talk & Co tried to reconnect a lot Jul 26 00:07:00 AakashPatel: yes, I use my phone sometimes as a phone Jul 26 00:07:17 haha Jul 26 00:07:33 frustrated :( Jul 26 00:07:40 jbq, this seems like an oddly common issue that no one can accurately pin down Jul 26 00:07:46 i had like a 10 min convo that day, and was browsing over edge peridoically Jul 26 00:07:54 perhaps it's an environment variable not set on my system? Jul 26 00:07:54 typo Jul 26 00:08:08 hmm Jul 26 00:08:10 can you pastebin printenv so we can compare? Jul 26 00:08:56 it's not my old Nokia 1208, which had no features to speak of but I could use it almost a week with recharging Jul 26 00:08:57 hmm on MediaPlayer, is it possible to play an expanding audio file? Jul 26 00:09:24 cuz it like "locks" the file for some reason when i start playing, and cannot write anymore to it Jul 26 00:09:48 i'm considering installing ubuntu because of how much this is driving me insane :/ Jul 26 00:10:26 IMO Arch is the best Linux distribution I ever used Jul 26 00:10:40 Arch is the best I have ever used too Jul 26 00:10:41 IMO your wrong Jul 26 00:10:43 That said, I still use Ubuntu Jul 26 00:10:55 Bc I don't need the control, the power features or anything Arch offers. Jul 26 00:10:56 what do you like about arch? Jul 26 00:11:00 I just browse, chat, etc Jul 26 00:11:00 To build Android, Ubuntu 8.04.3 is the reliable option Jul 26 00:11:02 Why do I need Arch Jul 26 00:11:12 wow android-wifi-tether works extremely well Jul 26 00:11:19 rgrasell: :) Jul 26 00:11:23 darweth: idk, i dont use it Jul 26 00:11:26 was rooting painless Jul 26 00:11:36 * AakashPatel stabs rgrasell Jul 26 00:11:40 !!! Jul 26 00:11:40 not anymore :) Jul 26 00:11:51 darweth causes people not to want the G1 after they see his phone. He got his on steroids Jul 26 00:12:06 twois10: the 2300 mah battery is ideal Jul 26 00:12:13 #1 i like the look and feel Jul 26 00:12:13 jbq, i'm trying to figure out what the issue is on other systems, though... if i can fix something like this, i'd like to be able to. Jul 26 00:12:14 darweth: o.O ideal? Jul 26 00:12:16 gahhhh Jul 26 00:12:18 #2 it is about function and life, not looks Jul 26 00:12:19 * AakashPatel shivers Jul 26 00:12:29 AakashPatel: whyd you stab me?! Jul 26 00:12:32 AakashPatel: it doesn't look as good as the standard battery, but it is much more enjoyable to use Jul 26 00:12:32 it seems like it'd help some other people Jul 26 00:12:40 rgrasell: cuz he asked if rooting was painless Jul 26 00:12:50 darweth: if you have the ADP1 back cover then its about looks ;) Jul 26 00:12:50 the added bulk makes typing with the hw keyboard much easier for example Jul 26 00:13:11 his phone gained a lot of weight Jul 26 00:13:21 sorry. yea, it worked without a hitch. actually, at the beginning i had a quick problem. But afrer i formatted the sd card to fat32 it was painless. Jul 26 00:13:32 a pregnant g1 ? no thanks Jul 26 00:13:35 err Jul 26 00:13:45 well, you people want shitty battery life, be my guest :) Jul 26 00:13:46 i wish i could make irssi beep Jul 26 00:13:53 i will take the long life of the 2300 and laugh @ uuuuu Jul 26 00:13:59 heeyyyy now i can get irssi on my phone :P Jul 26 00:14:07 rgrasell: yehh Jul 26 00:14:22 cooool. how do i compile it for my phone? Jul 26 00:14:33 it appears to really not like sensors.trout.so Jul 26 00:14:33 nah Jul 26 00:14:40 darweth: my battery seem to run long Jul 26 00:14:42 rgrasell: ssh Jul 26 00:14:44 if its there, instant segfault Jul 26 00:14:47 mine runs longer. Jul 26 00:15:00 rgrasell: connectbot, use that app to ssh into your server Jul 26 00:15:05 is there an ssh server for android? or is it built in with jf? Jul 26 00:15:10 you know being overweight cause obesity Jul 26 00:15:12 its a client Jul 26 00:15:25 i know, is there an ssh server for android? Jul 26 00:15:28 uhh Jul 26 00:15:33 is dropbear an server? Jul 26 00:15:39 wait, is that the right name? Jul 26 00:15:46 idk Jul 26 00:15:51 http://www.atbatt.com/product/21980.asp Jul 26 00:15:58 i use my Android as my main portable music player and constantly check twitter, facebook and google reader via newsrob Jul 26 00:16:01 and use the camera a lot Jul 26 00:16:04 i need the battery Jul 26 00:16:10 twitter ftl Jul 26 00:16:12 facebook ftw Jul 26 00:16:46 (twitter && facebook) ftl Jul 26 00:17:00 twitter is essential for modern life Jul 26 00:17:05 is there no 4000 battery available yet ? Jul 26 00:17:09 for example, i won tickets to 4 films @ the NY Asian Film Fest via twitter Jul 26 00:17:10 darweth: wronggg Jul 26 00:17:17 that is 4 movies i wouldnt have seen if i did not have twitter Jul 26 00:17:23 haha Jul 26 00:17:24 oh noes! Jul 26 00:17:31 darweth: but I couldn't find the perfect app yet Jul 26 00:17:32 that is 4 films i'd rather not have Jul 26 00:17:34 movies! how will you survive?! Jul 26 00:17:38 tbo: you were right, it was about missing libraries. i copied a staticaly linked binary to my G1. at least it produced a segfault. i fear i'll have to compile the apps by myself. Jul 26 00:17:41 darweth: i having been listening to music for 1hr 46mins now. the batter started at 92% and and now its at 73% Jul 26 00:17:41 tbo: twitterride is the best imo Jul 26 00:17:54 twobytes: that is insane. you should be at like 85% Jul 26 00:17:58 twois10: i mean Jul 26 00:18:16 can you guys read this? Jul 26 00:18:18 darweth: i'm currently on twidroid, I tried AndTweet but it keeps the phone from sleeping Jul 26 00:18:21 i listen to music for an hour commute and i lose 3% Jul 26 00:18:29 darweth: twit2go doesn't work Jul 26 00:18:35 rgrasell: read hwhat? Jul 26 00:18:38 tbo: i use twitterride and i tweet Jul 26 00:18:47 twidroid was too buggy Jul 26 00:18:54 but i havet used it in a month Jul 26 00:19:01 bloo rox sox Jul 26 00:19:04 for facebook Jul 26 00:19:10 bloo sucks Jul 26 00:19:12 darweth: this is an old battery Jul 26 00:19:13 babbler is better Jul 26 00:19:14 bs Jul 26 00:19:15 i use both tho Jul 26 00:19:16 So basically Jul 26 00:19:18 o.O Jul 26 00:19:23 I need to diff the build process between the cupcake branch Jul 26 00:19:25 darweth: its wayyyy better Jul 26 00:19:27 bloo looks 30x better Jul 26 00:19:31 but function wise, babbler slays it Jul 26 00:19:35 wrong Jul 26 00:19:38 and donut branch's build Jul 26 00:19:38 right! Jul 26 00:19:42 double wrong Jul 26 00:19:46 compare them Jul 26 00:19:49 lol Jul 26 00:19:53 :) Jul 26 00:19:58 are you guys running debian too on the G1? Jul 26 00:19:59 cant even see more than 15 feeds on bloo Jul 26 00:20:03 terrible Jul 26 00:20:06 my batter is 8 months old and yet i get good perfmance Jul 26 00:20:21 darweth: can you delete comments and stuff like that on babbler Jul 26 00:20:23 or whatever Jul 26 00:20:30 why would i delete a comment? Jul 26 00:20:33 that is dumb Jul 26 00:20:35 :P Jul 26 00:20:45 or posts Jul 26 00:20:45 i bought a better batt, but now my phone is real fat and ugly. 1989 style Jul 26 00:20:46 or something Jul 26 00:20:59 but no power problems anymore :) Jul 26 00:21:10 honestly, i barely use either. i mainly use fbook on my pc Jul 26 00:21:14 for phone, it is twitter ftw Jul 26 00:21:19 ah Jul 26 00:21:30 i use facebook on my phone alot and twitter on my comp Jul 26 00:21:49 my fav Android app is Newsrob Jul 26 00:22:05 so i read somewhere that an official faceboo kapp was all but confirmed. Is there any info aout it? Jul 26 00:22:14 NubiNews is also excellent on Android Jul 26 00:22:21 rgrasell: bloo Jul 26 00:22:22 all the way Jul 26 00:22:24 lol Jul 26 00:22:31 but idk if ther was an offical one confirmed Jul 26 00:22:40 i think bloo or babbler was confirmed official Jul 26 00:22:44 but it is not made my fbook, right Jul 26 00:22:55 yep Jul 26 00:22:56 hmm Jul 26 00:23:01 rgrasell: no Jul 26 00:23:03 AakashPatel: i bought it. i mean a Facebook-created app Jul 26 00:23:10 rgrasell: don't you like m.facebook.com? i think it's quiet nice.. Jul 26 00:23:13 rgrasell: they didnt make one Jul 26 00:23:29 well Jul 26 00:23:29 wonderworld: that had barely any functionallity Jul 26 00:23:34 apparently sensors.trout.so is no good Jul 26 00:23:36 for donut Jul 26 00:23:38 AakashPatel: lol yeah Jul 26 00:23:41 m.facebook is useless Jul 26 00:23:53 fucking proprietary shit Jul 26 00:24:09 wonderworld: lol no. no commenting :P Jul 26 00:24:19 AakashPatel: the Facebook app was demoed (low-key) at Google I/O, in the sandbox area Jul 26 00:24:21 well, maybe i am not the hardcore facebook guy then :) just reading up there from time to time :) Jul 26 00:24:30 not sure what to do next Jul 26 00:24:38 morrildl_: oh sweet Jul 26 00:24:38 you can't comment? i think you can.... Jul 26 00:24:51 wonderworld: nope you cant Jul 26 00:24:58 wonderworld: im pretty sure you cant Jul 26 00:25:32 gahhh Jul 26 00:25:33 cyanogen, are you building under linux? Jul 26 00:25:38 this MediaPlayer is messin with me Jul 26 00:25:40 yeah Jul 26 00:26:19 yes, you are right... you can set your own status only..(just remembered some input fields) Jul 26 00:26:26 cyanogen, can you do a printenv and pastebin the results? Jul 26 00:26:33 hm...is there a way to set the lenghth of the file on MediaPlayer? so i can continually increase the size while its been played? Jul 26 00:26:46 i don't set any special env to build android Jul 26 00:26:48 instead of the file getting locked up when playing begins Jul 26 00:26:50 AakashPatel, haha you still working on that? Jul 26 00:27:00 KNY: hell i am, i *want* this app Jul 26 00:27:04 ive got a question. Is it possible to add new codecs for the video player on a rooted phone? or just to use vlc? Jul 26 00:27:16 oh i had to set Jul 26 00:27:20 ANDROID_SWT=/home/shade/dev/sources/android-donut/prebuilt/linux-x86/swt/ Jul 26 00:27:26 to make the emulator run Jul 26 00:27:29 but that is all Jul 26 00:27:33 AakashPatel, you should have the server zero-pad the file so that the length is constant but the zeroes get overwritten as it gets transcoded :) Jul 26 00:27:41 rgrasell: i wish we could just ffmpeg Jul 26 00:27:42 romainguy: is emulator still qemu? Jul 26 00:27:49 yes Jul 26 00:27:52 KNY: uhh you wanna help me figure that out lol Jul 26 00:28:01 what's the swt for? Jul 26 00:28:03 i use lame and some stuff to transcode it Jul 26 00:28:04 i guess i'm at a roadblock Jul 26 00:28:09 shiznebit: why not? Jul 26 00:28:11 if sensors.trout.so doesn't work anymore Jul 26 00:28:11 wtf, why did I leave the chat room Jul 26 00:28:13 tmzt: swt is for DDMS and traceview Jul 26 00:28:13 we are screwed Jul 26 00:28:16 KNY: flac -d -c "04 - Sverige.flac" | lame --preset standard - "test.mp3" Jul 26 00:28:17 cyanogen: what doesn't work? Jul 26 00:28:24 AakashPatel, you'd have to know how big it was going to be before it was actually transcoded Jul 26 00:28:24 thats the command i use to transcode Jul 26 00:28:32 it causes the phoneapp to make system_server segfault Jul 26 00:28:33 :| Jul 26 00:28:38 rgrasell: cause we have to port everything to work on android Jul 26 00:28:40 ah Jul 26 00:28:43 and without it, no data connection etc Jul 26 00:28:45 because of sensors? Jul 26 00:29:00 so you turned dream into a touch pro (cdma) :) Jul 26 00:29:00 KNY: err i wish i could just tell the player the length in time the file is Jul 26 00:29:12 rgrasell: unless there is someway to use the NDK for the codecs Jul 26 00:29:12 if i remove it, it boots fine and i can even make calls Jul 26 00:29:19 but no data Jul 26 00:29:20 shiznebit: i understand that. but ffmpeg is really quite a simple program. Can't all the dependencies just be compiled static? Jul 26 00:29:31 then at least we could convert movies to an android-playable format Jul 26 00:29:35 so what changed Jul 26 00:29:48 rgrasell: uhh KNY cross compiled it Jul 26 00:29:50 for ARM Jul 26 00:29:56 (ffmpeg) Jul 26 00:30:03 rgrasell, yes, it can be Jul 26 00:30:12 it's like 8 megs, though Jul 26 00:30:13 * AakashPatel helped him Jul 26 00:30:32 rgrasell, I can send you my build script if I still have it Jul 26 00:30:39 KNY: yes please! Jul 26 00:30:41 cyanogen: well, if nothing else, now you know why we tell people to stick to the supported APIs for NDK apps Jul 26 00:30:43 let me look Jul 26 00:30:44 the crash is in libandroid_servers Jul 26 00:30:47 KNY: lol im new to irc. how do you send/recieve files? Jul 26 00:30:55 rgrasell: email XD Jul 26 00:31:05 rgrasell, you don't Jul 26 00:31:05 cyanogen: can you join #htc-linux, can't follow in here right now Jul 26 00:31:09 lol Jul 26 00:31:11 rgrasell, I'll just pastebin it though Jul 26 00:31:14 it was like 10 lines, IIRC Jul 26 00:31:20 KNY: you need my email address? Jul 26 00:31:25 pastebin Jul 26 00:31:26 rgrasell, no Jul 26 00:31:39 ph got it. thanks Jul 26 00:31:41 rgrasell: you ever used pastebin.com? Jul 26 00:31:45 oh okay lol Jul 26 00:31:57 AakashPatel: heard about it. i think i get it Jul 26 00:32:15 Can somebody please help me with a problem mounting the sd card on my desktop? Jul 26 00:32:29 hrothgar: what os are you running? Jul 26 00:32:34 Gentoo Jul 26 00:32:55 haha i read that as "Ghetto" for some reason Jul 26 00:32:59 rgrasell, http://pastebin.com/mdb5b073 Jul 26 00:33:07 lol Jul 26 00:33:24 rgrasell, I make no promises about that working, but that's what I used Jul 26 00:33:40 rgrasell, use common sense and critical thinking to customize it for your setup :) Jul 26 00:33:44 hrothgar: i dont have much expirience, sorry :P using 'mount -t vfat /wherever /dev/sdx' doesnt work? Jul 26 00:33:48 kny: thanks Jul 26 00:34:01 errrr Jul 26 00:34:18 AakashPatel, ? Jul 26 00:34:20 * AakashPatel is hateing mediaplayer right now Jul 26 00:34:42 mediaplayer can be a tricky bitch to wrestle under control Jul 26 00:34:50 AakashPatel: what are you tryng to do, again? Jul 26 00:34:52 if we could set the length of the file i would be okay i think Jul 26 00:34:54 rgrasell: Nah, it doesn't. Usb-storage isn't seeing the partition. It's reporting "Bad LUN" and "Bad target number" Jul 26 00:35:03 morrildl_: tryign to play an audio file that is being created while being played Jul 26 00:35:08 live transcoded Jul 26 00:35:13 AakashPatel: on device? Jul 26 00:35:16 yea Jul 26 00:35:19 well no Jul 26 00:35:20 hrothgar: can you reformat the card on your phone? Jul 26 00:35:23 not transcoded on the device Jul 26 00:35:25 okay Jul 26 00:35:42 AakashPatel, how are you downloading the file? Jul 26 00:35:47 URL or something? Jul 26 00:35:50 yeah Jul 26 00:35:56 AakashPatel: you are tying to set it up for streaming mode? Jul 26 00:36:03 hrothgar: can you cdrecord -scanbus and paste that? Jul 26 00:36:16 rgrasell: Yeah, I suppose so. The phone sees it fine, so I've been avoiding it, but it can't really hurt. Jul 26 00:36:17 morrildl_, yeah, but the file he's streaming is being written as he's reading it Jul 26 00:36:17 AakashPatel: or you are transcoding on a server in response to an HTTP request? Jul 26 00:36:20 morrildl_: on streaming mode, it lets you play files that are not the correct size alredy? Jul 26 00:36:29 morrildl_: yes Jul 26 00:36:45 morrildl_, so when he makes the request, it sees a smaller file than it eventually will be (if that makes sense) Jul 26 00:36:48 AakashPatel: My guess is that opencore will want to have the entire file before it begins playing Jul 26 00:36:53 grothgar: thats what id try. maybe its just corrupted? idk. Jul 26 00:36:53 cdrecord isn't installed; it'll take me a few minutes to compile... Jul 26 00:36:59 is there a decent free msn app for android? im hear its integrated into most handsets? but im using UK t-mo its not there default... i almost paid for IM+ until it started crashing/closing on me, its simply not reliable enough to pay money for Jul 26 00:37:02 morrildl_: :'( Jul 26 00:37:09 AakashPatel: I'd look into streaming mode Jul 26 00:37:33 okay, ill check it out. Jul 26 00:37:48 AakashPatel: opencore is often..... not good.... at this sort thing. :) Jul 26 00:37:58 hah okay Jul 26 00:38:05 while we're talking about media, how do you get Music to see cover art? it's in the album's folder as Folder.jpg Jul 26 00:38:18 and I had MediaScannerC* scan it Jul 26 00:38:23 The media guys are rearchitecting opencore over Donut and Eclair Jul 26 00:38:33 by Eclair life should be better, hopefully Jul 26 00:38:44 morrildl_: only a year left! haha Jul 26 00:38:48 AakashPatel, ahaha Jul 26 00:38:59 AakashPatel: we have not announced a timeframe for Eclair ;) Jul 26 00:39:10 lol true Jul 26 00:39:14 morrildl_, how about that discussion we had about market a while back? any progress regarding that? Jul 26 00:39:24 is there a time frame for anything anymore? Jul 26 00:39:32 too true, wimbet Jul 26 00:39:41 when its done, its done ? Jul 26 00:39:50 KNY: the Market client is getting a big upgrade in Donut Jul 26 00:40:00 morrildl_, yay! Jul 26 00:40:02 sweet Jul 26 00:40:09 now if only donut would ship... ;-) Jul 26 00:40:13 * AakashPatel high fives wimbet Jul 26 00:40:19 * morrildl_ smiles mysteriously Jul 26 00:40:24 right, and what about bluetooth transfering / Jul 26 00:40:25 hehe ;) Jul 26 00:40:42 yeah, yeah, rub it in, morrildl_ . bragbragbrag Jul 26 00:40:51 pshh that morrildl_ Jul 26 00:41:31 I'm gonna recompile my kernel with some more SCSI stuff; I'll be back if I figure anything out... Jul 26 00:42:15 morrildl_: is there anyway to tell MediaPlayer the length of the file? so it knows how long it is? Jul 26 00:42:34 AakashPatel, source.android.com Jul 26 00:42:43 KNY: :| Jul 26 00:42:56 AakashPatel, the MediaPlayer code is a huge bitch to dig through Jul 26 00:43:05 * AakashPatel doesnt like digging Jul 26 00:43:15 * AakashPatel hauls out the caterpiller Jul 26 00:43:28 AakashPatel: No. The MediaPlayer API is generally constrained by what the opencore native implementation, which tends to want to own files itself. e.g. at first you couldn't even feed it a stream via API, it had to open the file itself Jul 26 00:43:51 AakashPatel: that sort of thing is what I mean when I say the media guys are rearchitecting it Jul 26 00:43:52 heh Jul 26 00:43:58 morrildl_, isn't opencore a OHA project? Jul 26 00:44:11 KNY: it was contributed by PacketVideo, who is an OHA member, yes Jul 26 00:44:11 * AakashPatel waits for eclair for his amazing app ideas :P Jul 26 00:44:33 TommyBres: ! Jul 26 00:44:50 morrildl_, ah. I asked jbq this earlier but he didn't know: are there (actual) plans to expose the opencore (via NDK or Java)? Jul 26 00:45:07 the default IM application is t-mobile only? Jul 26 00:45:17 and by "actual plans" I don't just mean "It's on the to-do list somewhere" ;-) Jul 26 00:45:21 TommyBres: prolly Jul 26 00:45:26 so gay Jul 26 00:45:35 i think it uses sms Jul 26 00:45:39 or some shiz Jul 26 00:45:39 AakashPatel, nope Jul 26 00:45:40 i cant remove it right? Jul 26 00:45:47 AakashPatel, but they bill as if it's SMS Jul 26 00:45:55 KNY: no decision yet. Current priority is on OpenGL, really Jul 26 00:45:56 oh :/ Jul 26 00:46:02 kny i cant remove the app right Jul 26 00:46:04 morrildl_, okay, thanks. Jul 26 00:46:07 TommyBres, no clue Jul 26 00:46:13 bleh Jul 26 00:46:13 TommyBres: you can rm -rf it probably Jul 26 00:46:14 KNY: it won't happen in Donut, anyway Jul 26 00:46:25 morrildl_, isn't donut pretty much frozen already? Jul 26 00:46:35 aakashpatel i'll nandroid and give it a shot Jul 26 00:46:42 TommyBres: kk Jul 26 00:46:43 yssinfo Jul 26 00:46:51 DG45FC CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 2.33GHz @ 4.0GHz L2 Cache: 4096K FSB: 1332MHz RAM: 452.0MB/4.0GB [โ™โ™โ™โ™โ™โ™โ™โ™โ™โ™] Speed: Disk: 32.85GB/237.46GB Display: NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT (PCIe Bus: Built-In) [256 MB VRAM (Total): 64 MB of Shared System Memory] 1920x1080@60Hz Audio: Unknown OS: Mac OS X 10.6 (10A421a) Uptime: 4 mins Jul 26 00:46:53 not right now, but later on Jul 26 00:46:58 opps Jul 26 00:47:03 sorry guys xD Jul 26 00:47:11 TommyBres: k Jul 26 00:47:34 KNY: well, exposing a lib to the NDK is more about deciding we can commit to the ABI for it Jul 26 00:47:37 lippy: stop showing your epenis Jul 26 00:47:45 no u Jul 26 00:47:54 ABI? Jul 26 00:48:07 KNY: so yes, opencore will be present, and you can (technically speaking) link to it and use it Jul 26 00:48:13 morrildl_, no, I understand that. It was more of an off-topic question since I had assumed that it wouldn't be in before eclair at the earliest Jul 26 00:48:26 morrildl_, oh boy, romainguy might have your head on a pike for even implying that, haha Jul 26 00:48:29 KNY: but we won't commit to not breaking it in Eclair, basically Jul 26 00:48:39 KNY: hehehehe, I'm not going to lie :) Jul 26 00:48:42 it IS possible Jul 26 00:48:51 people wrote apps that had native code even for 1.0 and 1.1 Jul 26 00:48:56 not a lot, but there were some Jul 26 00:49:05 that NeoCore 3D demo thingy uses native code Jul 26 00:49:07 o.o Jul 26 00:49:10 morrildl_, can the NDK be used for libs that aren't exposed or do I have to jump through cross-compilation hoops? Jul 26 00:49:30 KNY: you would basically need to provide the headers Jul 26 00:49:41 For the parties interested. if you want to tuneup your kernel to have better memory, CPU, and power management (longer battery life), a must read: http://people.redhat.com/nhorman/papers/rhel4_vm.pdf Jul 26 00:49:43 hmm Jul 26 00:49:43 KNY: Please note: this is highly not recommended Jul 26 00:49:48 morrildl_, yeah I know Jul 26 00:49:50 this WILL break your app on an upgrade Jul 26 00:50:10 using a private API in Dalvik is like playing Russian roulette Jul 26 00:50:15 morrildl_, sure, but for the ADC2 period it shouldn't break, which is all I really care about :) Jul 26 00:50:31 hah Jul 26 00:50:39 My app is included on system.img when build variant is eng but not when it is user. Does anybody knows why ? Jul 26 00:50:39 using an unsupported API in the NDK is like playing Russian Roulette with 5 bullets in the gun Jul 26 00:50:57 (especially if the gun is a 5-shooter) Jul 26 00:51:02 KNY: that isn't true Jul 26 00:51:17 KNY: you should not assume all devices will be running 1.5 for the duration of ADC2 Jul 26 00:51:18 actually, it's like playing russian roulette with a pistol Jul 26 00:51:24 morrildl_, no, it's not. It was said in jest :) Jul 26 00:51:38 and hmmmm Jul 26 00:51:45 * KNY wonders if morrildl_ just hinted at something Jul 26 00:51:53 lol Jul 26 00:51:57 jbq, is a revolver not a pistol? Jul 26 00:52:02 * morrildl_ smiles mysteriously again Jul 26 00:52:20 * shiznebit expects a shooting in google Jul 26 00:52:32 ah, uh, in French the name "pistol" explicitly refers to non-revolvers. Jul 26 00:52:57 jbq, ah. I've always associated "pistol" with the more general "handgun" but I suppose you're right Jul 26 00:53:05 jbq: in English, pistol is like "coin" and revolver is like "nickel" Jul 26 00:53:11 alright Jul 26 00:53:15 installing debian to my external drive Jul 26 00:53:16 i.e. a revolver is a kind of pistol Jul 26 00:53:29 ok :) Jul 26 00:53:31 and what is the plant part? Jul 26 00:53:33 pistel? Jul 26 00:53:40 haha Jul 26 00:53:42 I think so, haha Jul 26 00:53:44 i think so Jul 26 00:53:45 and stamens Jul 26 00:53:50 pistil I guess Jul 26 00:53:52 friggin' English Jul 26 00:54:04 amen to that Jul 26 00:54:09 * AakashPatel hands morrildl_ a pilsil Jul 26 00:54:14 spelling! Jul 26 00:54:18 pistil* Jul 26 00:54:19 what a stupid language Jul 26 00:54:27 jbq: anyway I think you meant "semi-automatic handgun", which is what we'd call it Jul 26 00:54:29 yeah why are we speaking it? Jul 26 00:54:38 someone needs to whip out flex/bison and start making a better English Jul 26 00:54:39 KNY: รงa va? Jul 26 00:54:45 morrildl_: yeah. Jul 26 00:55:22 morrildl_, maybe on the west coast you'd call it that. 'round here it's a 'piece', homie Jul 26 00:55:53 KNY: my dad used to have a .357 revolver Jul 26 00:56:00 that fscker shoots fireballs Jul 26 00:56:08 haha Jul 26 00:56:08 google doesn't sound like a place that would need firearms Jul 26 00:56:17 yeah, a .357 will put hair on your chest Jul 26 00:56:20 of coarse it does! Jul 26 00:56:27 oh jeeze Jul 26 00:56:34 i just compiled a package manager on a system that dosn't know what a package is Jul 26 00:56:35 ;D Jul 26 00:56:48 KNY: depends on which end of the of the .357 you are on Jul 26 00:56:58 haha, touche Jul 26 00:56:59 shiznebit: next time you search for "kill morrildl_" look whos comin to your house :D Jul 26 00:57:10 are you a recursibly enumerable language Jul 26 00:57:14 recursively Jul 26 00:57:21 :) Jul 26 00:57:28 * shiznebit draws his shotgun Jul 26 00:57:30 :D Jul 26 00:57:39 lol Jul 26 00:57:45 * morrildl_ is dangerous with a soldering iron Jul 26 00:57:59 * AakashPatel steps back, and takes away the flux Jul 26 00:58:17 I hear Chuck Norris doesn't need to use flux Jul 26 00:58:23 Those days I do most of my damage with git. Jul 26 00:58:26 Or for that matter a soldering iron Jul 26 00:58:33 haha Jul 26 00:58:45 Chuck Norris just stares at the solder until it melts by itself and goes where he wants it to Jul 26 00:58:47 lol Jul 26 00:58:52 lolll Jul 26 00:59:35 jbq: Do I have to learn git? Jul 26 00:59:42 jbq: Can't I just use Mercurial? Jul 26 00:59:51 morrildl_: in soviet russia, git learns you. Jul 26 01:00:09 lmao Jul 26 01:00:28 learning git is a lifelong task anyway. "I'll learn git or die trying" Jul 26 01:00:43 jbq, definitely, especially once you've had your brain rotted by svn Jul 26 01:01:19 git seems like the kind of SCM that Cthulhu would use Jul 26 01:01:45 bbiab Jul 26 01:01:45 It works, is arcane with eldritch black magicks, and slowly consumes your soul while driving you insane Jul 26 01:01:52 aakashpatel, com.android.im wont go away :( Jul 26 01:02:01 TommyBres: why not? Jul 26 01:02:15 I keep meaning to switch to it because it is more powerful but the learning curve is so steep that it'll hurt my productivity in the short term :) Jul 26 01:02:17 5 ways to reach any goal, and each command does 3 different things depending on the order of the arguments (except git diff that has 10 different variants) Jul 26 01:02:25 idfk? i rm -rf it from /data/data and its still there Jul 26 01:02:27 oh snap, Cy's 3.9 just crashed Jul 26 01:02:31 TommyBres: no Jul 26 01:02:33 jbq, http://osteele.com/images/2008/git-transport.png Jul 26 01:02:37 system/app Jul 26 01:02:38 ohnoes Jul 26 01:02:39 acore force closed Jul 26 01:02:53 then data/app Jul 26 01:02:57 which makes me wonder Jul 26 01:03:05 ok... Jul 26 01:03:13 KNY: check out Hg Jul 26 01:03:21 if you rm -rf a app from /data/app or system/app, what happends the the corresponding /data/data/ folder? Jul 26 01:03:21 KNY: unfortunately slightly incomplete and inaccurate. Jul 26 01:03:29 Is build/target/product/generic.mk the file that I should modify to have my app on a user build ? Jul 26 01:03:31 KNY: seriously, it has all the power of git (it too is a distributed SCM) but is way more user friendly Jul 26 01:03:40 morrildl_, I've looked at it a little bit. Isn't it pretty slow? Jul 26 01:03:42 KNY: low barrier of entry even: code.google.com supports it now Jul 26 01:03:46 KNY: holy christ, no Jul 26 01:03:51 KNY: it's absurdly fast Jul 26 01:04:12 the Google Code Project Hosting guys tell me it's faster than svn Jul 26 01:04:25 o.o Jul 26 01:04:33 * AakashPatel|Away switches over to git Jul 26 01:04:36 KNY: It's so fast that I often run it, and assume that whatever I did must have failed Jul 26 01:04:37 KNY: your turn Jul 26 01:04:55 git is even harder to learn when you team has only seen clearcase Jul 26 01:05:08 aoriani, clearcase is a curse upon this land Jul 26 01:05:17 TommyBres: did it work? Jul 26 01:05:57 no... Jul 26 01:06:02 TommyBres: wrong Jul 26 01:06:04 its not in /system/app or /data/app Jul 26 01:06:05 it had to Jul 26 01:06:08 oh Jul 26 01:06:10 wut Jul 26 01:06:12 its in /data/data only Jul 26 01:06:15 wtf Jul 26 01:06:15 KNY: The worst is that some guys insist to use clearcase even with Android Jul 26 01:06:16 and cant be removed Jul 26 01:06:24 aoriani: ? Jul 26 01:06:31 com.android.im and com.android.im.plugin.tmobile Jul 26 01:06:37 aoriani, clearcase is so terrible Jul 26 01:06:49 TommyBres: there is not com.android.im.apk? Jul 26 01:06:55 in system/system? Jul 26 01:06:58 er Jul 26 01:07:00 system/app Jul 26 01:07:16 NOPE Jul 26 01:07:19 wtf Jul 26 01:07:23 thats dumb Jul 26 01:07:31 or in /data/app Jul 26 01:07:35 heh Jul 26 01:07:46 brb Jul 26 01:07:52 k Jul 26 01:07:53 man the first boot after an update takes forever Jul 26 01:08:02 has to verify all my packages Jul 26 01:08:22 how long is long KNY Jul 26 01:08:26 KNY: but i like the config spec concept. At least the manifest.xml of repo can do its job Jul 26 01:08:32 cuz my ADP1 takes foreverrrr everytime Jul 26 01:08:32 AakashPatel, I don't know, I haven't been timing it. Jul 26 01:08:41 AakashPatel, I'm just watching logcat Jul 26 01:08:48 ah Jul 26 01:09:07 aoriani, yeah, but the fact that every file is independently versioned makes me want to kick a puppy Jul 26 01:09:52 aoriani, I was working remotely a few months back (for a client that used clearcase) and to create a new view would literally take 9 hours Jul 26 01:10:07 it would take, at a minimum, 90 minutes to update (I updated every morning) Jul 26 01:10:13 aakashpatel what do i doooo? Jul 26 01:10:20 TommyBres, just ignore it? Jul 26 01:10:43 lol okie Jul 26 01:11:19 lol yea Jul 26 01:11:19 just surprised it cant physically be removed, sounds like an apple invention with a touch of aol Jul 26 01:11:24 i guess sinse you cant find it Jul 26 01:11:38 lol aol Jul 26 01:11:44 i can find it, and learn 2 spell newb Jul 26 01:11:44 anyone else think palringo eats way too many resources? Jul 26 01:12:03 TommyBres: :P Jul 26 01:12:08 i cant read shiz in this terminal Jul 26 01:12:35 kiqyou have you tried scrolling in palringo? sandpaper is smoother Jul 26 01:12:59 ha Jul 26 01:13:15 KNY: I've never problem to create view , only to remove it . We had tens of vobs, most of them with very old code Jul 26 01:13:23 bbl Jul 26 01:13:46 tommy yeah, it sucks cause it looks like a decent interface but its just not worth it cause it slows everything down Jul 26 01:14:23 i wish they had fring or nimbuzz for android Jul 26 01:15:53 hmm, I need to just break down and buy some champagne flutes Jul 26 01:16:03 k, im.apk cant be removed from /system/app Jul 26 01:16:03 this business of drinking out of white wine glasses is bullshit Jul 26 01:16:05 morrildl_, how does hg keep track of files? I like that git tracks files by content, not by name (and you can therefore follow a function as it moves around between files) Jul 26 01:16:09 * TommyBres slashes linux Jul 26 01:16:19 i wish they had fring or nimbuzz for android Jul 26 01:16:26 morrildl_, haha yeah, I'm way too cheap to buy legit wine glasses Jul 26 01:16:34 KNY: by name, but you can do renames/moves with full history Jul 26 01:16:41 TommyBres, that's because it's ro. Try adb remount Jul 26 01:16:50 KNY: IMO the by-content stuff is more trouble than its worth. Too clever for its own good Jul 26 01:16:54 morrildl_, yeah, but you can't just hit F2 and rename, right? Jul 26 01:17:08 * TommyBres tries Jul 26 01:17:10 ty kny :) Jul 26 01:17:10 I think i am the one person who has a terrible sideeffect with wine Jul 26 01:17:15 I assume that you have to do hg move Old.java New.java or whatever, right? Jul 26 01:17:21 TommyBres, no problem Jul 26 01:17:22 KNY: yes Jul 26 01:17:52 morrildl_, that's one thing that always gets new users to source control Jul 26 01:18:18 KNY: yeah, but good luck figuring out what git does when you copy a file and move it in the same commit Jul 26 01:18:32 morrildl_, heh Jul 26 01:18:41 KNY: I prefer to tell my software what I want it to do, rather than the reverse Jul 26 01:18:45 true Jul 26 01:18:53 kny, still wont go anywhere Jul 26 01:18:56 I'll check out hg Jul 26 01:19:00 * TommyBres sighs Jul 26 01:19:18 I think I may found what i want : PRODUCT_PACKAGES . My app shall be there to appear on user build. Is this right ? Jul 26 01:19:22 deep inside, git really only tracks by snapshot, and then it resolves diffs on-the-fly (so you can tell it to strongly resolve by name, by content, or both... e.g. its copy-detection resolution is highly configurable) Jul 26 01:20:18 .....i wasnt using capital letters Jul 26 01:20:20 morrildl_, I suppose one huge thing that svn (and git to a lesser degree) has going for it is the quality of the tools. For example, there are web SVN browsers for pretty much every language/framework Jul 26 01:20:20 wowwww Jul 26 01:20:46 rm -rf im.apk didnt do it, rm -rf IM.apk did Jul 26 01:21:00 TommyBres, why is that surprising? Jul 26 01:21:05 KNY: true. Jul 26 01:21:05 TommyBres! Jul 26 01:21:27 Samsung Pixon12, what processor? Jul 26 01:21:28 :D Jul 26 01:21:44 i think once jgit/egit stabilizes, i bet there will be some amazing/user friendly git-based tools... Jul 26 01:21:52 LOL hi b1os :) Jul 26 01:22:06 kny because im a fucking windows noob Jul 26 01:22:07 git alone is pretty amazing, but there is a bit of complexity sometimes Jul 26 01:22:31 brb reboot Jul 26 01:23:01 EricInBNE: CONGRATULATIONS! Jul 26 01:23:36 EricInBNE: I am very happy, on behalf of SCM Afficianados Magazine, to inform you that you are our GRAND PRIZE WINNER! Jul 26 01:24:03 EricInBNE: You will received your framed certificate in 6 - 8 weeks, via mail, reading "EricInBNE: Winner, 2009 Understatement of the Year" Jul 26 01:24:12 hahaha Jul 26 01:24:23 I must admit, jgit has a really nice logo: http://www.jgit.org/egit2.png Jul 26 01:24:37 wait, no, that can't be right Jul 26 01:24:53 AakashPatel: i'm glad i did a nandroid backup Jul 26 01:25:02 I hope it has gold trim... Jul 26 01:25:03 gapps is crashing constantly since removing the IM app :P Jul 26 01:25:10 TommyBres, ahaha Jul 26 01:25:23 i mean, not CONSTANTLY crashes... but 3 times so far Jul 26 01:25:28 EricInBNE: :) Jul 26 01:25:34 TommyBres, do adb remount && adb shell rm -rf / Jul 26 01:25:41 it'll never crash again Jul 26 01:25:48 lulz Jul 26 01:25:51 no crash here Jul 26 01:25:52 KNY: well it will, one last time Jul 26 01:25:53 i said i'm a windows noob, not a retard Jul 26 01:26:03 KNY: i tried that command, it didnt work Jul 26 01:26:04 morrildl_, AakashPatel did it and he said it just froze Jul 26 01:26:16 KNY: that's not a crash? Jul 26 01:26:22 ^^^heh Jul 26 01:26:32 gosh, I hate resolving conflicts, and I especially hate having to resolve conflicts again that I have already resolved because I'm running within a poorly designed process. Jul 26 01:26:34 morrildl_, does the hg eclipse team provider work well? Jul 26 01:26:37 morrildl_, it's certainly not a "foreclosure" (to quote idiots in the Market) Jul 26 01:26:40 restoring latest backup :) Jul 26 01:26:57 KNY, GV kept foreclosing on me and now i want my house back Jul 26 01:26:59 plz fix Jul 26 01:27:03 *rates 1 star* Jul 26 01:27:03 and morrildl_ if we're calling a freeze a crash, then my G1 crashes all the damn time (thank you, GC!) Jul 26 01:27:15 TommyBres, works as coded. Jul 26 01:27:16 :) Jul 26 01:27:23 haha Jul 26 01:27:27 where the hell has vol been Jul 26 01:27:34 no idea Jul 26 01:27:48 SanMehat, lurking? :) Jul 26 01:27:50 * EricInBNE waves Jul 26 01:28:02 SanMehat: in #android? i knew you couldnt resist :) Jul 26 01:37:50 Is anybody working on the IM app from platform ? Jul 26 01:39:55 jbq: I'm not sure if it's applicable to your specific problem, but you might look at git rerere if you're not familiar with it :) (if you are, or if it's not applicable, feel free to ignore of course ;) ) Jul 26 01:40:37 I don't think it's applicable in this case, because it's not quite the exact variant of the same conflict, just very very very similar. Jul 26 01:40:45 gotcha Jul 26 01:44:48 err Jul 26 01:44:53 i needa reinstall this HTC IME Jul 26 01:45:00 i cant work with the defualt keyboard Jul 26 01:45:09 lol Jul 26 01:46:34 well Jul 26 01:46:42 <_Spyrorocks> Hey guys, Just a quick question, I created an app that uses an online MP3 search engine to stream full tracks to your phone, would this app be allowed in the android market or is it breaking any rules? Jul 26 01:46:43 not having much luck getting this working on dream Jul 26 01:47:15 cyanogen: quick question, any way to make the standard IM app work with non-tmobile sim cards? Jul 26 01:47:35 (that you know of, i'm not gonna waste your time to figure somethin out) Jul 26 01:47:45 sure, write a provider Jul 26 01:47:45 <|Rain|> the standard IM app doesn't work with non-tmobile sims? Jul 26 01:47:52 correct Jul 26 01:47:53 good luck :) Jul 26 01:47:59 haha so basically not happenin, thanks :) Jul 26 01:48:05 afaik the t-mo IM app uses T-Mobile services and communicates via SMS instead of data Jul 26 01:48:13 |Rain|: it says "phone number cannot be read off the sim card, please contact your provider" Jul 26 01:48:14 yeah, the tmus plugin is all proxy based Jul 26 01:48:19 |Rain|, the standard T-Mo app, not the GTalk app Jul 26 01:48:27 ^^correct Jul 26 01:48:28 it uses T-Mobile servers, but the communication is actually TCP. Jul 26 01:48:50 <|Rain|> we're talking about the one called "IM" that can connect to AIM/Windows Messenger/Yahoo? Jul 26 01:48:53 yeah. it's billed as SMS, but it doesn't actually use SMS. go figure Jul 26 01:48:56 whatevs, i'll just get IM+ and ignore IM in the menu, no biggie Jul 26 01:49:06 yes, |Rain|, that's the one Jul 26 01:49:42 I have trouble seeing how 1 IM message is worth $.10 :) Jul 26 01:49:44 <|Rain|> it works for me :x AIM, at least Jul 26 01:49:57 <|Rain|> with AT&T Jul 26 01:50:08 i use googletalk :) Jul 26 01:50:08 |Rain|: what image are you on? Jul 26 01:50:10 It's not that they bill it as 1 SMS, rather they bill SMS, MMS and IMPS at the same rate. Jul 26 01:50:11 much cheaper Jul 26 01:50:26 JesusFreke, which is why we appreciate this bastardized google xmpp gtalk Jul 26 01:50:35 <|Rain|> TommyBres: cyanogen's. I know it worked mid 3.something, running 3.9 now Jul 26 01:50:42 i'm running 3.9 too... Jul 26 01:50:44 on AT&T... Jul 26 01:50:48 haha Jul 26 01:50:49 are you sure you're not on wifi? Jul 26 01:50:50 gtalk isn't charged, even on an official t-mobile image Jul 26 01:51:00 right Jul 26 01:51:06 hence hte appreciation Jul 26 01:51:09 *the Jul 26 01:51:11 <|Rain|> oh, I am. I didn't realize it only failed on non-wifi Jul 26 01:51:12 :) Jul 26 01:51:16 ah yes, that's the issue Jul 26 01:51:18 ah. I took "bastardized" to mean "non-official" :) Jul 26 01:51:21 but it also doesn't use sms Jul 26 01:51:24 on wifi it works fine, on the network it wont connect Jul 26 01:51:35 Damn IM gateways , they never follow the IMPS protocol Jul 26 01:51:37 nah, bastardized as in it's a bit of their own flavor of xmpp Jul 26 01:51:42 <|Rain|> interesting Jul 26 01:51:44 W/wpa_supplicant( 924): Failed to initiate AP scan. Jul 26 01:51:45 ah, gotcha Jul 26 01:51:56 _Spyrorocks: If your app is serving up copyrighted content, the copyright holder can demand that we take it down for a DMCA violation, and we would have to comply Jul 26 01:52:12 _Spyrorocks: but if your app is streaming only legitimately licensed MP3 files, then it is fine Jul 26 01:52:37 KNY: does git track functions, I thought it tracked blobs and patches? Jul 26 01:53:01 The IM uses HTTP, but due the gateway carries can charge per message Jul 26 01:53:01 <_Spyrorocks> Oh I see, would the copyright holder need to contact the search engine I use to find tracks for DCMA or is getting my app taken down by the market what would happen? Jul 26 01:53:19 god, things like $8 IM applications tempt me to pirate shit Jul 26 01:53:26 git doesn't track anything other than the ordering of snapshots. Everything else is untracked and computed on-the-fly. Jul 26 01:53:33 <_Spyrorocks> Its capable of serving up whatever the user enters for search terms Jul 26 01:53:36 TommyBres: wtf is $8 Jul 26 01:53:39 8 bucks for an IM app yet i can get an awesome game lke robo defense for $3 Jul 26 01:53:45 shiznebit: hello IM, IM+.... Jul 26 01:53:50 no i'm sorry, hello IM is $10 Jul 26 01:53:53 IM+ is $8 Jul 26 01:54:00 IM Friendly, $8 Jul 26 01:54:01 <|Rain|> TommyBres: I connected over wifi then disabled it and successfully sent myself a message, for whatever that's worth Jul 26 01:54:25 psshh, for $8 the app better do cartwheels Jul 26 01:54:29 <|Rain|> it does fail to reconnect now that I explicitly disconnected, though Jul 26 01:54:35 |Rain|: wouldnt really work if i was somewhere with no wifi at all, but good to know that it only blocks the connection Jul 26 01:54:42 shiznebit: yeah no shit, that's what i'm saying Jul 26 01:54:58 i've honestly never pirated an android app, but when you charge $8 for Hello IM, i'm tempted Jul 26 01:55:17 try Hi Aim or Aimmer Jul 26 01:55:17 WHSAT? Jul 26 01:55:21 8 bucks for an IM app? Jul 26 01:55:27 YESH Jul 26 01:55:28 thats some bs right ther Jul 26 01:55:31 search "im" on market Jul 26 01:55:43 IM+ is actually $5, the cheapest of the paid ones Jul 26 01:55:50 i'm just getting the lite ad-supported version >.< Jul 26 01:56:20 <_Spyrorocks> morrildl_: ^ Jul 26 01:57:29 mmmm /me <3 htc ime Jul 26 01:57:31 lol @ cyanogen's thread, here is the tag: brick, cyanogen, death, experimental, rom Jul 26 01:57:56 lol Jul 26 01:58:15 is there a way to use the t-mobile application without incurring the SMS charge ? Jul 26 01:58:40 yeah, dont pay your bill Jul 26 01:58:42 XD Jul 26 01:58:50 haha Jul 26 01:59:23 AakashPatel: good advise, i'll try it Jul 26 01:59:54 talking about bill tmobile locked me out now i cant see my bills online Jul 26 01:59:58 yep Jul 26 02:00:03 Oh man the wife just made some bomb ass burgers Jul 26 02:00:13 Wickednix: ship me some Jul 26 02:00:22 will do Jul 26 02:00:45 * Wickednix ships 3 burgers to missery Jul 26 02:00:48 twois10: cant you use the myaccount app ? Jul 26 02:00:51 haha Jul 26 02:01:01 can't even get wifi to work on donut :( Jul 26 02:01:05 I mean missouri Jul 26 02:01:11 shiznebit: is it not the same server? Jul 26 02:01:20 * Wickednix gets cyanogen a hammer Jul 26 02:01:29 i have no clue, i pay bills by check and mail Jul 26 02:01:33 this lockout happened after the recent website upgrade Jul 26 02:01:49 i dont use checks unless i have to, i do bill pay Jul 26 02:01:59 save a few trees and kill some atoms Jul 26 02:02:32 seems like they changed a lot if cyanogen is having a lot of network problems Jul 26 02:02:50 no wifi, no edge/3g Jul 26 02:02:57 See your bill Jul 26 02:02:59 Dinner is calling. Grilled halibut. ttyl. Jul 26 02:02:59 Sorry, you can't view this information because your account access level is set to Restricted view. To change your access level, please contact the Primary Account Holder. Jul 26 02:03:02 not understanding why yet Jul 26 02:03:07 I am the primary account holder Jul 26 02:03:20 have you called the dumbasses ? Jul 26 02:03:22 <|Rain|> I should free up some disk space so I can pull donut Jul 26 02:03:27 WTF Jul 26 02:03:33 10 buck overage on net useage Jul 26 02:03:34 how Jul 26 02:03:43 i called them, and was told the site engineers will look into it Jul 26 02:03:43 <|Rain|> I'd like to backport the power manager widget if nothing else... having 1 widget instead of 4 should save some ram Jul 26 02:03:49 Data Unlimited Jul 26 02:03:49 DATA ACCESS 92476 92476 $0.00/KB 0.00 Jul 26 02:03:50 SUBTOTAL $9.17 Jul 26 02:03:51 its been 2 days Jul 26 02:04:00 twois10: give it a year Jul 26 02:04:05 lol Jul 26 02:04:07 <|Rain|> that's pretty magical Jul 26 02:04:43 and it says $0.00 per KB Jul 26 02:04:47 AakashPatel: umm.... Jul 26 02:04:53 oh shiz Jul 26 02:04:54 it doesnt Jul 26 02:04:58 .01 Jul 26 02:04:59 why Jul 26 02:05:00 wtf Jul 26 02:05:02 AakashPatel: you got screwed Jul 26 02:05:27 gahh my moms gonna screw me over Jul 26 02:05:29 you were probably roaming ? Jul 26 02:05:51 shiznebit: :| i have that enabled, dont i Jul 26 02:08:29 fsck you att! Jul 26 02:09:02 <3 At&T Jul 26 02:10:14 cyanogen: you get the other thing then? Jul 26 02:10:53 no Jul 26 02:11:04 sensors.trout.so still crashes it Jul 26 02:12:03 if cyanogen is having so many problems, donut is in really bad shape Jul 26 02:12:12 :O Jul 26 02:12:25 well Jul 26 02:12:29 donut on the g1 is in bad shape Jul 26 02:12:35 works great on the emulator :) Jul 26 02:12:46 shiznebit: you may try to hack your phone to use mobjab server instead of tmobile's Jul 26 02:13:37 I wanna see Pecan Pie Jul 26 02:13:50 EugeneKay: chistmas time Jul 26 02:13:58 its not the season for it yet Jul 26 02:14:01 aoriani: i might as well setup my own server Jul 26 02:14:15 2.1 Pumpkin Pie for Halloween? Jul 26 02:14:28 o.0 Jul 26 02:14:33 a swimsuit models app Jul 26 02:14:40 and another fml app, why?? Jul 26 02:14:44 EugeneKay: no, first there has to be FGHIJKLMNO.... Jul 26 02:14:57 fleebailey33: because people need FML in 20 different formats, DUH Jul 26 02:15:09 bleh Jul 26 02:15:11 KNY = the only worthwhile fml app Jul 26 02:15:17 i use KNY s Jul 26 02:15:18 yea Jul 26 02:15:20 :P Jul 26 02:15:24 KNY > Google Jul 26 02:15:29 ^^^2nd Jul 26 02:15:31 no Jul 26 02:15:33 GV > Google Voice Jul 26 02:15:42 ky + porn > google Jul 26 02:15:46 shiznebit: nowimps has a 30 trial and allows you to use xmpp transports Jul 26 02:15:47 lol @ google voice making dual contacts for everything Jul 26 02:15:52 like that's not the entire point of an app Jul 26 02:16:08 i read comments sometimes and wonder why Jul 26 02:16:14 its comments for a widget of some kind Jul 26 02:16:23 people saying it just closes when they try and oepn it..... Jul 26 02:16:35 haha of course Jul 26 02:16:37 rate it a zero, because they don't know what a widget is Jul 26 02:16:43 lol, because it's not explained Jul 26 02:16:48 someone fix my bill! Jul 26 02:16:50 the smart devs who put out widgets say in the description "THIS IS NOT AN APPLICATION, IT WILL NOT RUN ON ITS OWN" Jul 26 02:16:59 and tell the people to long press on their desktop Jul 26 02:17:19 TommyBres: people don't read that anyway Jul 26 02:17:31 ...true, most people on market can't read (or write) Jul 26 02:17:38 TommyBres: fix my bill : Jul 26 02:17:42 :'( Jul 26 02:17:45 HIT ME UP ON AIM HOMIEZ Jul 26 02:17:51 i think by smashing my head against a keyboard, i could often create a more coherent sentence than most market comments Jul 26 02:17:53 hollaaturgrl2345 Jul 26 02:17:54 AakashPatel: whats wrong with it Jul 26 02:18:02 i have an overage on data Jul 26 02:18:10 over 5gb? stop tethering Jul 26 02:18:13 no Jul 26 02:18:16 its not over 5 Jul 26 02:18:20 AakashPatel: get the Mythbusters to fix it Jul 26 02:18:21 ...then its not an overage Jul 26 02:18:21 cyanogen: what does sensors have to do with phone? Jul 26 02:18:26 TommyBres: then wtfff Jul 26 02:18:36 its roaming probably Jul 26 02:18:36 read your AT&T TOS Jul 26 02:18:44 cyanogen: maybe you could adapt emulator stuff for g1 Jul 26 02:18:44 ERRRRR Jul 26 02:18:46 just call ATT Jul 26 02:18:47 shiznebit: AT&T doesnt have a non-nationwide plan afaik Jul 26 02:18:52 and AakashPatel hasnt been out of the country Jul 26 02:19:07 might be using tmobile instead of ATT Jul 26 02:19:16 nope, he's on AT&T Jul 26 02:19:21 i iz on att Jul 26 02:19:32 then call them Jul 26 02:19:34 he's my homie, i know these things :P Jul 26 02:19:41 anyways brb, gonna go smoke a bowl Jul 26 02:19:43 yeaa boiii Jul 26 02:20:06 TommyBres: :( Jul 26 02:20:09 ? Jul 26 02:20:13 bawllllll Jul 26 02:20:20 my dealer is on vacation Jul 26 02:20:31 shiznebit: where are you Jul 26 02:20:37 bawls.com Jul 26 02:21:05 heh "Corporate Self Care" my ass Jul 26 02:21:32 damn, my eyes are getting red just reading this :-( Jul 26 02:21:34 brooklyn Jul 26 02:21:47 shiznebit: i can sell you a 20 bag if you want Jul 26 02:21:51 err lets take this to PM Jul 26 02:21:56 hahaha Jul 26 02:22:03 lmao Jul 26 02:22:28 Tommy can you come to cali and give me a 20 Jul 26 02:22:39 Wickednix: go to a dispensary you spoiled bitch Jul 26 02:22:56 lmao Jul 26 02:23:05 wish I was spoiled Jul 26 02:23:08 the upstanding citizens of new york have to buy their shit on the STREETS, we don't get a candy store Jul 26 02:23:19 Wickednix... get a card.... Jul 26 02:23:20 lmaooo Jul 26 02:23:40 say you're having very painful menstrual cramps, they prescribe mmj for that Jul 26 02:23:52 hahahahah Jul 26 02:23:54 haha, <3 you guys Jul 26 02:23:57 (so homo) Jul 26 02:24:00 lol Jul 26 02:24:04 * AakashPatel <3 KNY back Jul 26 02:24:07 (I just got the highlights from earlier) Jul 26 02:24:20 shiznebit: did you get my pm? Jul 26 02:24:25 thats 150 to 300 bucks for a card and then 50+ for the candy Jul 26 02:25:00 boo hoo, i dropped $300 for 25g or so Jul 26 02:25:19 hur..hur hur...hur $125.25 bill Jul 26 02:26:33 hmmm, I need a gravatar Jul 26 02:27:24 k, cocked locked and loaded, now for liftoff Jul 26 02:27:25 brb Jul 26 02:27:59 lol Jul 26 02:29:36 TommyBres, what are you working on? Jul 26 02:30:23 "what can freeze a burn" its closer than you think, dont htink so literal Jul 26 02:30:24 okay Jul 26 02:30:43 someone sent me that lol Jul 26 02:32:00 liquid nitrogen XD Jul 26 02:32:04 kny what? Jul 26 02:32:13 k, cocked locked and loaded, now for liftoff Jul 26 02:32:33 that doesnt mean hes working Jul 26 02:32:34 lol Jul 26 02:32:45 it means i had the lighter cocked, the door locked, the bowl loaded Jul 26 02:32:53 and i lifted off into a better state of mind Jul 26 02:32:55 oh ahah Jul 26 02:33:46 see? haha Jul 26 02:34:11 i offered to sell shiznebit some fire, but he doesn't like strangers Jul 26 02:34:35 heh Jul 26 02:34:35 yea TommyBres i got it Jul 26 02:34:55 don't feel like going that far :P Jul 26 02:34:58 lol Jul 26 02:35:07 haha understandable Jul 26 02:35:09 UPS overnight Jul 26 02:35:12 do you drive? Jul 26 02:35:14 orrr sameday ;) Jul 26 02:35:27 AakashPatel: he's like 6 miles away Jul 26 02:35:30 wtf Jul 26 02:35:40 thats not far *at all* Jul 26 02:35:41 TommyBres: yea, but my car is messed up Jul 26 02:35:46 AakashPatel: this is NYC Jul 26 02:35:53 oh :/ Jul 26 02:35:54 heh Jul 26 02:35:55 nm Jul 26 02:35:58 i'm 15 miles from my school and it takes me an hour and a half to get there lol Jul 26 02:36:04 haha Jul 26 02:36:06 lol Jul 26 02:36:08 15 miles here 10 mins Jul 26 02:36:09 lol Jul 26 02:36:25 lol Jul 26 02:36:38 10 k here, 1 hour Jul 26 02:36:56 lol wtf Jul 26 02:36:57 lol Jul 26 02:36:59 you guys are slow Jul 26 02:37:00 b0nn: where are you from Jul 26 02:37:07 70 - 80 mph here XD Jul 26 02:37:14 TommyBres: .nz Jul 26 02:37:27 psshh right now all the street races are going down Jul 26 02:37:31 in a city? Jul 26 02:37:33 150 + Jul 26 02:37:38 but, the 1 hour eta is due to riding a bicycle ;) Jul 26 02:37:39 well its brooklyn Jul 26 02:37:45 shiznebit: i dont have to be in a race though ;) Jul 26 02:37:58 Hamilton Jul 26 02:38:01 does using black color drain less battery compared to white color? Jul 26 02:38:14 hah yea it aborbs the battery power Jul 26 02:38:14 LOL you bike everywhere? Jul 26 02:38:20 absorbs* Jul 26 02:38:46 sometimes, most times I catch the bus, also up to 60 minutes Jul 26 02:38:47 Guest4113: i don't think so Jul 26 02:38:53 guys im using wireless tether for root users on jfs image.. i see the ap, i can connect but itsnot leasin me an IP, anyone got any ideas on that? Jul 26 02:38:58 Guest4113: the backlight takes the most power, and that's always on even in black spots Jul 26 02:39:22 jduggan: is it your computer? Jul 26 02:39:34 AakashPatel: no it has no problems with other aps Jul 26 02:39:38 wondering why google apps uses black background when displaying lists Jul 26 02:39:49 jduggan: try reinstalling it Jul 26 02:39:52 AakashPatel: tcpdump sees nothing on the wire Jul 26 02:39:52 is the ap encrypted ? Jul 26 02:39:59 shiznebit: no, left it off Jul 26 02:40:04 weird Jul 26 02:40:07 Guest4113: black with white text is easier on the eyes Jul 26 02:40:09 yep Jul 26 02:40:13 most weird Jul 26 02:40:20 late at night, especially baked, looking at a white screen is like staring into a light bulb Jul 26 02:40:34 and i know earlier this after a friends wimo could connect to it Jul 26 02:40:36 makes sense Jul 26 02:40:47 afternoon* Jul 26 02:41:10 maddox.xmission.com used the colors he uses so it's easier for people to read when they stare at a computer screen all day Jul 26 02:41:15 * AakashPatel waits for the day that android has a bluetooth api Jul 26 02:41:31 anyone have any ideas on when? :P Jul 26 02:41:44 next monday Jul 26 02:42:08 TommyBres: pshh thats not bluetooth night! Jul 26 02:42:10 silly Jul 26 02:42:13 * TommyBres is eating blueberry muffins and drinking beer Jul 26 02:42:23 * AakashPatel is eating banana bread Jul 26 02:42:33 beer is all i can drink around here :( Jul 26 02:42:38 i dont have any other drinks lol Jul 26 02:42:55 tap water :P Jul 26 02:43:06 meh Jul 26 02:43:30 NY tap water is so much better than my moms house in MA :P Jul 26 02:43:51 i never appreciated tap water until i moved there, it sucked Jul 26 02:44:12 heh Jul 26 02:44:34 heh Jul 26 02:44:36 was it brown and foul smelling Jul 26 02:44:39 my water is tripple filtered Jul 26 02:44:40 lol Jul 26 02:44:46 lol it wasnt THAT bad Jul 26 02:44:53 o.O Jul 26 02:44:56 brown??? Jul 26 02:44:58 geez Jul 26 02:44:59 i have well water Jul 26 02:45:07 mine is drinkable, pretty clean actually Jul 26 02:45:29 well, typically larger cities have better water quality Jul 26 02:45:35 well i came from the soviet union Jul 26 02:45:42 that was our water quality Jul 26 02:45:42 they actually rate tap water, the #1 best was LA last i heard, and NY was 2nd Jul 26 02:45:53 LOL really? Jul 26 02:46:00 i forgot you were russian... if i ever knew Jul 26 02:46:02 yea, it was bad Jul 26 02:46:22 heh Jul 26 02:46:28 thats some crazy water Jul 26 02:46:30 i was born in the CCCP, but I consider myself american Jul 26 02:46:34 do they smoke much (MJ) in russia? Jul 26 02:46:38 * AakashPatel ships shiznebit his tripple filter system Jul 26 02:46:39 banned Jul 26 02:46:47 shiznebit, it's banned here too Jul 26 02:46:48 well duh Jul 26 02:46:49 what's your point? Jul 26 02:46:53 lol Jul 26 02:47:08 if they caught you, next stop Siberia Jul 26 02:47:19 nice Jul 26 02:47:20 o.O Jul 26 02:47:23 geez Jul 26 02:47:24 i know of 1 russian band that smokes pot Jul 26 02:47:27 5nizza or something? Jul 26 02:47:39 well that was back then Jul 26 02:47:43 it's pronounced like, pee-aht nit-zuh Jul 26 02:47:48 back then? they're recent i believe... Jul 26 02:47:49 now its different Jul 26 02:47:56 oh, when you were there you mean Jul 26 02:48:03 yes Jul 26 02:48:04 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5'nizza Jul 26 02:48:22 oh, ukraine... somewhere round there lol Jul 26 02:48:30 lol Jul 26 02:48:31 http://illmitch.com/ <-- the best Jul 26 02:49:20 lol Jul 26 02:49:25 grrrrrrr Jul 26 02:49:37 i *really* wanted that music app idea i had Jul 26 02:49:47 it would of worked for videos also :( Jul 26 02:49:50 he used to have the mp3s all online but he moved them to itunes which is some weak shit Jul 26 02:49:59 what AakashPatel Jul 26 02:50:14 KNY: cheaper, less bandwidth used Jul 26 02:50:26 TommyBres, yeah but I can't listen now Jul 26 02:50:37 TommyBres: you have your music lib's on your server in any format, and listen to then on your phone Jul 26 02:51:00 but its not possible :( Jul 26 02:51:01 AakashPatel, why not just transcode them and put them on your phone? Jul 26 02:51:03 ??? Jul 26 02:51:06 hey, is there a problem with the g1 battery? Jul 26 02:51:12 AakashPatel, besides, have you ever listened to music over edge? FUCK THAT Jul 26 02:51:17 you mean like stream ? Jul 26 02:51:21 KNY: heh not too bad Jul 26 02:51:21 AgentBlair, yeah, the problem is that it sucks Jul 26 02:51:24 someone on craigslist says his battery stopped working lol Jul 26 02:51:32 <_avatar> AakashPatel: my previous project (no maintained by another dev) is doing just that. Jul 26 02:51:34 like the physical battery all of a sudden stoppred working Jul 26 02:51:41 is that a common problem? Jul 26 02:51:41 <_avatar> er, "now maintained by another dev" Jul 26 02:51:45 _avatar: how Jul 26 02:51:54 how did you play the music and transcode it at the same time Jul 26 02:52:05 i dont think it would be... batteries are batteries Jul 26 02:52:12 <_avatar> i don't know, i haven't had a chance to talk to him since he got a proof of concept working Jul 26 02:52:18 :| Jul 26 02:52:25 ..and im back to the beginning lol Jul 26 02:52:30 <_avatar> he may just buffer the entire track to the device before playing, then buffer the next track while the current is active. *shrug* Jul 26 02:52:31 KNY: i might have to do that :/ Jul 26 02:52:33 hooray, I find the answer for my problem using blind search. My boss will be happy :) Jul 26 02:52:55 _avatar: ah, i wanted mine on demand Jul 26 02:53:02 <_avatar> some source is checked in here, but doesn't look like the "working" code is there yet. also, i dunno if the server actually transcodes audio yet. Jul 26 02:53:14 <_avatar> http://code.google.com/p/musikcube/ Jul 26 02:53:25 orb will transcode stuff on the fly over wifi Jul 26 02:53:38 i have done xvid avis before Jul 26 02:53:58 _avatar: thats...a app for desktop Jul 26 02:54:09 <_avatar> AakashPatel: if you dig into the source you'll find it's many things Jul 26 02:54:19 KNY, what do you mean about the battery? Jul 26 02:54:26 <_avatar> a cross platform music library with a server, a windows front end, and an android client Jul 26 02:54:29 it's just a lithium ion like everyone elses Jul 26 02:54:34 AgentBlair, it's, what? 1050mah? Jul 26 02:54:38 oh Jul 26 02:54:42 _avatar: psshhh Jul 26 02:54:43 heh Jul 26 02:54:50 romain said it wasnt possible! lol Jul 26 02:54:52 well if I can fix this guy's g1 i can get it for $100 Jul 26 02:55:03 well, my idea at least Jul 26 02:55:10 AgentBlair, you can get new batteries Jul 26 02:55:19 <_avatar> but, like i said, it doesn't appear the playback code is checked in yet, so i'm not sure how it's being done Jul 26 02:55:22 he says he charged it... and it stopped working for no reason... might be lyin lol Jul 26 02:55:27 first check if there is water damage Jul 26 02:55:29 but why would a lithium ion battery just die Jul 26 02:55:30 yeah Jul 26 02:55:33 i asked him, said none Jul 26 02:55:52 well i posted the broken donut build Jul 26 02:55:55 screw you opencore!!! Jul 26 02:55:55 it boots :) Jul 26 02:56:04 lol Jul 26 02:56:11 you can make calls! Jul 26 02:56:12 sounds too fishy tho... but just asking to make sure thanks Jul 26 02:56:24 cyanogen: so far so good Jul 26 02:56:25 cyanogen: so you cant build donut for dream nicley? Jul 26 02:56:27 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=540881 Jul 26 02:56:29 if you want it Jul 26 02:56:33 AgentBlair, he probably bricked it haha Jul 26 02:56:34 i can't get the network to work Jul 26 02:56:37 wtf Jul 26 02:56:44 cyanogen: how bout data? Jul 26 02:56:46 cyanogen, so what's new in donut? Jul 26 02:56:47 not wifi Jul 26 02:56:49 not data Jul 26 02:56:51 but it would turn on right? Jul 26 02:56:53 not data??? Jul 26 02:56:55 even if you brick it Jul 26 02:57:02 AgentBlair, can you turn on a brick? Jul 26 02:57:02 nope can't even get edge/3g Jul 26 02:57:06 wtf Jul 26 02:57:09 the sensors don't work either Jul 26 02:57:14 i mean i thought the screen would at least turn on Jul 26 02:57:17 if you load the sensors library the whole system crashes Jul 26 02:57:19 like... light up lol Jul 26 02:57:22 soo...just about...useless :) Jul 26 02:57:34 what are sensors actually used for? Jul 26 02:57:37 AgentBlair, depends on how badly you brick it. It's possible to completely fuck it Jul 26 02:57:40 Here is a rooted build of the current Donut tree for the G1. The network does not work. Lots of things do not work. Don't post in this thread that things don't work. Things don't work. This is not something you want to run on your device. <--- Jul 26 02:57:42 can they be disabled? Jul 26 02:57:46 thats great Jul 26 02:58:01 what kernel? Jul 26 02:58:02 no accelerometer/compass Jul 26 02:58:04 possibly... the batter doesn't just break like that Jul 26 02:58:10 battery* Jul 26 02:58:14 i'm sure part of it ties into the camera and radio Jul 26 02:58:16 you should be able to bring up internet manually Jul 26 02:58:24 time to transcode *all* of my music :/ Jul 26 02:58:26 or it doesnt charge properly Jul 26 02:58:32 wifi starts but doesn't associate Jul 26 02:58:42 AgentBlair, bring a mini-usb cable and make sure that it powers on without the battery in it Jul 26 02:58:42 bluetooth seems to work Jul 26 02:58:49 if it's just a fucked battery then go for it Jul 26 02:58:51 and what about the qemu version of libsebsor Jul 26 02:58:57 cyanogen: bluetooth transfer ? Jul 26 02:58:59 or even libhardware? Jul 26 02:59:04 tried all of those Jul 26 02:59:13 <|Rain|> cyanogen: did you try building the wlan tree from cupcake and using it? Jul 26 02:59:14 someone submit patches for a bluetooth api! Jul 26 02:59:18 you can do that? lol Jul 26 02:59:21 yeah rain Jul 26 02:59:22 ill try it with my att fuze Jul 26 02:59:31 i rolled back the supplicant too Jul 26 02:59:36 <|Rain|> weird Jul 26 02:59:45 cyanogen: what kernel? Jul 26 02:59:51 <|Rain|> I'm backing up my nand now Jul 26 02:59:53 2.6.29 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 26 02:59:56 2009