**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 26 02:59:56 2009 Jul 26 03:00:16 nearly the same as what i use in my regular builds Jul 26 03:00:18 and the patches for sta? the ones that make it work on 29? Jul 26 03:00:18 grrrr Jul 26 03:00:23 right Jul 26 03:00:29 serial data over bluetooth is all i want :( Jul 26 03:00:33 hoooooo Jul 26 03:00:40 no obex as far as i have seen Jul 26 03:00:40 does ifconfig see it? Jul 26 03:00:43 TommyBres, stoney baloney? Jul 26 03:00:51 haha somethin like that Jul 26 03:00:58 i don't know what deli meat has to do with me being baked Jul 26 03:01:01 but the answer is yes. Jul 26 03:01:04 haha Jul 26 03:01:05 AakashPatel: so write a dbus client Jul 26 03:01:13 that's what my stoner friends call it Jul 26 03:01:15 yeah KNY, it needs a battery of course, can't run on just a usb Jul 26 03:01:18 yeah ifconfig sees it Jul 26 03:01:22 AgentBlair, yes it can Jul 26 03:01:28 well my fuze can't Jul 26 03:01:33 AgentBlair, well the G1 can :) Jul 26 03:01:39 and it's an HTC... same everything basically lol Jul 26 03:01:40 tmzt: :0 Jul 26 03:01:43 hmm Jul 26 03:01:48 it must have an internal battery Jul 26 03:01:59 AgentBlair, nope Jul 26 03:02:00 AakashPatel: no really, it's pretty easy Jul 26 03:02:06 esp. wth python Jul 26 03:02:07 AgentBlair, you could also try the wall charger Jul 26 03:02:16 i tried the wall charger on my fuze Jul 26 03:02:17 dude, instead of brownies i wanna make hash white bread Jul 26 03:02:18 not the usb tho Jul 26 03:02:22 ill try the usb computer Jul 26 03:02:28 tmzt: and that lets me send data over bluetooth??? Jul 26 03:02:29 wtf Jul 26 03:02:30 for the hell of it but i doubt it'l work Jul 26 03:02:30 serious? Jul 26 03:02:31 imagine a baloney sandwich with that bread? get baked and get your munchies on at the same time Jul 26 03:02:31 hold hiz Jul 26 03:02:34 shiz Jul 26 03:02:39 AgentBlair, we're talking about different phones. Why are you comparing chalk and cheese? Jul 26 03:02:41 lol Jul 26 03:02:44 yes, if it's bluez4.x Jul 26 03:02:46 lol Jul 26 03:02:58 u calin my phone cheese? XD Jul 26 03:02:59 time to work on my car app :D Jul 26 03:03:08 KNY: because they're almost identical Jul 26 03:03:20 car app ? Jul 26 03:03:24 yeah same processor, same manufactuer Jul 26 03:03:27 i want a phone with an infrared port :\ Jul 26 03:03:30 so i can use it as a remote control Jul 26 03:03:37 get an old one Jul 26 03:03:39 TommyBres, yeah, the 90s called and they have plenty in stock Jul 26 03:03:41 tmzt: you just set your self up for 100 questions Jul 26 03:03:42 lol Jul 26 03:03:46 KNY: eff you Jul 26 03:03:55 some high end phones had them as recently as last year Jul 26 03:04:08 and there's a winmo app that lets you use the phone as a remote control with the IR Jul 26 03:04:09 AakashPatel: well, I only know the api exists, try wiki.bluez.org Jul 26 03:04:10 really ? Jul 26 03:04:30 sony clies used to do that Jul 26 03:04:47 you could buy the app for base palm os devices for like $30, if I recall Jul 26 03:04:57 tmzt: thanks a bunch :) Jul 26 03:05:02 i know the Samsung F500 should have had a IR port Jul 26 03:05:23 but palm emitter was underpowered Jul 26 03:05:30 Sony's wasn't Jul 26 03:05:37 Sony also had cir Jul 26 03:05:47 Palm had some kind of filter on theirs Jul 26 03:06:14 har Jul 26 03:06:47 does anyone know of that status of multicast? Jul 26 03:07:02 as in? Jul 26 03:07:12 what version of bluez is in the repo? Jul 26 03:07:30 exactly, I don't know Jul 26 03:07:42 :/ Jul 26 03:07:43 * AakashPatel checks Jul 26 03:07:49 I'm having trouble using jmdns and doing some searches turns up reports of multicast being broken in 1.5 (?) Jul 26 03:08:06 what is jmdns? Jul 26 03:08:08 i verified in wireshark that the queries are being replied Jul 26 03:08:21 15 mins till the next freeroll starts Jul 26 03:08:31 http://jmdns.sourceforge.net/ Jul 26 03:08:39 over wifi? Jul 26 03:08:44 what is it Jul 26 03:08:49 briefly Jul 26 03:09:07 zeroconf/multicast dns library Jul 26 03:09:09 majavbased zerconf client? Jul 26 03:09:12 ok Jul 26 03:09:25 I was getting jm dns not j mdns Jul 26 03:09:59 ifconfig might help Jul 26 03:10:06 is MULTI there? Jul 26 03:10:17 http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=2917 Jul 26 03:10:55 on the phone? Jul 26 03:11:30 "adb shell; ifconfig" returns nothing, literally Jul 26 03:11:50 try 'adb shell ifconfig' Jul 26 03:11:52 no ; Jul 26 03:11:53 hm someone gimme a kewl sounding name Jul 26 03:12:17 for my app, i was gonna install some shiz in my car and then unlock/lock/start/open trunk over bluetooth Jul 26 03:12:21 from meh fonez Jul 26 03:12:48 Radix_: same Jul 26 03:12:53 AakashPatel: use good security Jul 26 03:13:01 initially i opened a shell, then ran ifconfig Jul 26 03:13:02 tmzt: im planning one it :) Jul 26 03:13:02 procyon: got root? Jul 26 03:13:14 <|Rain|> procyon: no ; Jul 26 03:13:21 i havent jailboroke my phone if thats what you are asking Jul 26 03:13:26 brb Jul 26 03:13:31 then you don't have access to that command Jul 26 03:13:42 try /sbin/ifconfig Jul 26 03:13:50 it's just not in your path Jul 26 03:13:51 stupid question: what's the android filesystem? Jul 26 03:13:53 ok well anyway, i know that the phone *IS* issuing the multicased query Jul 26 03:13:56 and my laptop replies Jul 26 03:14:01 KNY: yaffs2 Jul 26 03:14:07 tmzt, that's what I thought. Jul 26 03:14:13 why? Jul 26 03:14:25 but jmdns' listener never gets the reply Jul 26 03:14:42 is ot binding to the port? Jul 26 03:14:44 and that bug is very similar to what i am seeing Jul 26 03:14:45 tmzt, making a system.img out of cyanogen's build so that I can boot it emu Jul 26 03:14:52 5353 Jul 26 03:15:20 $ /sbin/ifconfig Jul 26 03:15:20 /sbin/ifconfig: permission denied Jul 26 03:15:23 emu doesn't use yaffs though Jul 26 03:15:28 told ya Jul 26 03:15:30 that's evil Jul 26 03:15:36 it should be a+x Jul 26 03:15:47 hmmm... i've seen two g1s now with "bad battery" Jul 26 03:15:48 tmzt, it doesn't? Jul 26 03:15:51 it's readonly unless you are root Jul 26 03:15:54 $ ls /sbin Jul 26 03:15:54 opendir failed, Permission denied Jul 26 03:16:03 KNY: goldfish is very different Jul 26 03:16:10 procyon: you won't be able to do any of that until you have root Jul 26 03:16:14 well, I could be wrong in this case Jul 26 03:16:24 if it has nand emu it might Jul 26 03:16:33 tmzt, ah. cyanogen, want to make me a system.img? :) Jul 26 03:16:35 so what am I thinking Jul 26 03:16:41 Radix_: i know the phone is sending multicast packets Jul 26 03:16:45 file system.img Jul 26 03:17:27 <|Rain|> cyanogen: should your donuthole build boot all the way to the launcher? Jul 26 03:17:32 tmzt, system.img: VMS Alpha executable Jul 26 03:17:47 oh, okay Jul 26 03:17:50 yaffs2 Jul 26 03:23:16 lol you wanna know something funny? Jul 26 03:23:36 no Jul 26 03:23:37 i had that car app idea like 4 months ago, except over wifi Jul 26 03:23:46 the code is already written Jul 26 03:23:53 but then i felt like that was wayyyy to ineffecient Jul 26 03:23:54 :) Jul 26 03:24:15 cyanogen, I'm getting no joy trying to boot your donut build on the emu, btw :) Jul 26 03:24:25 well great, now release it under GPL Jul 26 03:24:39 shiznebit: i wanna write it using bluetooth now :) Jul 26 03:24:55 * AakashPatel made sure this is possible this time Jul 26 03:25:01 how are you going to secure it Jul 26 03:25:13 who knows, encrypt it lol Jul 26 03:26:23 Cardroid it is again bitchz Jul 26 03:27:04 im guessing your car is an automatic ? Jul 26 03:27:11 durrr Jul 26 03:28:00 * AakashPatel prepares his way onto gizmodo Jul 26 03:28:03 :P Jul 26 03:28:25 would it possible with a manual ? Jul 26 03:28:31 well depends Jul 26 03:28:41 how do you start a manual XD Jul 26 03:28:47 * AakashPatel never drove one before Jul 26 03:29:02 AakashPatel, you have to push in the clutch Jul 26 03:29:03 haha Jul 26 03:29:04 depress clutch, and turn the ignition Jul 26 03:29:09 oh Jul 26 03:29:17 then no, unless you have a server on the clutch ;) Jul 26 03:29:21 you have to hit the brake on an automatic, no? Jul 26 03:29:21 servo Jul 26 03:29:40 KNY: no Jul 26 03:29:48 AakashPatel, it's usually a switch; you could probably override it and just make sure to always shift into neutral when you park Jul 26 03:30:00 of course I could just get an auto start for manuals Jul 26 03:30:02 hm yea Jul 26 03:30:03 good point Jul 26 03:30:14 but if you forget, you could probably fuck up your car Jul 26 03:30:21 now think of a name Jul 26 03:30:24 i dont like cardroid Jul 26 03:30:27 cuz it has the word droid Jul 26 03:30:46 FUPurCAR Jul 26 03:30:55 lol Jul 26 03:31:12 hmm Jul 26 03:31:20 maybe just Key FOB bitchz Jul 26 03:31:29 Car FOB :) Jul 26 03:31:36 phob Jul 26 03:31:54 CarFOB Jul 26 03:31:56 hmmm Jul 26 03:32:21 would it be able to close and open doors ? Jul 26 03:32:30 unlock them Jul 26 03:32:52 not physically open them unless i have some pnumatic shiz Jul 26 03:33:08 that be cool Jul 26 03:33:14 ahh Jul 26 03:33:18 fob is lower case ;) Jul 26 03:33:49 key fob ftw Jul 26 03:34:25 mmm i already have my AVR shit for the car Jul 26 03:34:46 * AakashPatel marks that off his list Jul 26 03:36:22 phatcarphob Jul 26 03:36:28 lol Jul 26 03:36:42 ill chill with key fob for now :P Jul 26 03:36:42 phearthephatcarphob Jul 26 03:38:02 FoneKey Jul 26 03:38:21 :O Jul 26 03:39:14 Key Your Car ;-) Jul 26 03:39:20 haha Jul 26 03:39:43 heh Jul 26 03:39:50 KNY: thats a good one Jul 26 03:40:21 * zytta sends KNY to the cleaners Jul 26 03:40:38 * AakashPatel is the cleaner Jul 26 03:40:57 If you leave your Manual in Neutral you don't need to clutch in, dummies. Jul 26 03:41:14 lol Jul 26 03:41:21 EugeneKay: we all cant do that, can we ;) Jul 26 03:41:21 Just MAKE SURE IT'S IN NEUTRAL. Jul 26 03:41:24 EugeneKay: yes you do Jul 26 03:41:32 or it wont start Jul 26 03:41:35 shiznebit - mechanically, you don't Jul 26 03:41:39 electrically, you do Jul 26 03:41:44 .... Jul 26 03:41:50 However, it is trivial to cut the switch that senses neutral Jul 26 03:42:13 Or rather, clutch in Jul 26 03:42:39 Just crawl under there and unplugthe sumbitch Jul 26 03:42:45 Then try the key Jul 26 03:42:56 well thats how the autostart for manuals works Jul 26 03:43:59 they just plug it into something that say the clutch is pressed Jul 26 03:46:38 now, time to figure how to use this bluez thing Jul 26 03:46:53 so whats the name ? Jul 26 03:47:00 FoneKey XD Jul 26 03:47:07 dont judge me boi! Jul 26 03:48:12 somebody will just ReUP to market with the name Key Your Car Jul 26 03:48:35 lol Jul 26 03:48:39 ReUP? Jul 26 03:49:06 well its a hint :P Jul 26 03:49:35 pshh Jul 26 03:49:36 idc Jul 26 03:49:41 ill make it on gizmodo first haha Jul 26 03:53:32 hfag Jul 26 03:53:33 ftl Jul 26 03:53:34 lol Jul 26 03:54:13 hm Jul 26 03:54:21 hello? Jul 26 03:54:32 Herro Jul 26 03:54:32 Macer: bai bai Jul 26 03:57:38 ? Jul 26 03:57:42 AakashPatel: leaving? Jul 26 03:57:47 was going to ask you to check something for me :) Jul 26 03:57:48 heh Jul 26 03:57:52 Macer: im here Jul 26 03:58:05 i wasnt leavin ;) Jul 26 03:58:09 http://tech.rancorous.net/2009/07/25/android-gaining-root-on-a-g1-htc-dream/ Jul 26 03:58:15 can you try to download the files Jul 26 03:58:22 and let me know if it works ;) Jul 26 03:58:30 they're linked in the "things you need" section Jul 26 03:58:47 pshh Jul 26 03:58:48 i cant Jul 26 03:58:51 must. work. Jul 26 03:58:53 lol Jul 26 03:58:57 Macer: finally got an idea that will work Jul 26 03:59:05 oh... ok Jul 26 03:59:09 can anybody? :) Jul 26 03:59:09 heh Jul 26 03:59:17 i just need to know these direct links are working with wordpress Jul 26 04:00:02 that looks hawt Jul 26 04:00:04 that theme Jul 26 04:01:13 heh Jul 26 04:01:16 do the files wrok :-P Jul 26 04:01:21 that's my main concern Jul 26 04:01:25 yeah Jul 26 04:01:28 i just clicked on 2 Jul 26 04:01:31 i'm not a big fan of linking files to other people's sites Jul 26 04:01:32 and it asked me to download Jul 26 04:01:35 how fast are they downloading? :) Jul 26 04:01:38 err Jul 26 04:01:38 oh blah :-P Jul 26 04:01:39 hold on Jul 26 04:01:55 if you link stuff to other people... they tend to go down haha Jul 26 04:02:17 then you just have some frustrated person pissed at the world they can't get the 1 damn file they need to get something done Jul 26 04:02:18 810? Jul 26 04:02:21 KB/s Jul 26 04:02:26 oh.. that's not too bad i guess Jul 26 04:02:34 it was at 1.0MB/s Jul 26 04:02:37 but dropped slowly Jul 26 04:02:38 yeah Jul 26 04:02:42 it should settle at 600 ;) Jul 26 04:02:51 Macer: RC7 ROM doesn't work Jul 26 04:02:58 shiznebit: ah ok. thanks Jul 26 04:03:19 gahh Jul 26 04:03:21 i want that theme Jul 26 04:03:23 in my bed Jul 26 04:03:29 * AakashPatel sets up wordpress on his server Jul 26 04:04:12 lol Jul 26 04:04:28 oh an btw Jul 26 04:04:29 fuck you lol Jul 26 04:04:33 i was working on an app Jul 26 04:04:35 lmao Jul 26 04:04:42 and you made me install wordpress Jul 26 04:04:58 haha Jul 26 04:06:06 * Wickednix points at aPatel's app. Back to work Jul 26 04:06:47 wtf Jul 26 04:06:54 i have no idea why that link is the only one not working Jul 26 04:06:57 maybe because it's euro Jul 26 04:06:58 haha Jul 26 04:07:04 lol Jul 26 04:07:09 AakashPatel: get your own theme :-P Jul 26 04:07:12 Wickednix: STOP POINTING DAMNIT Jul 26 04:07:21 ADHD is a common problem with people Jul 26 04:07:23 Macer: i will pobably Jul 26 04:07:27 FINE!!! Jul 26 04:07:57 * Wickednix grabs aPatel and throws him at his computer. Get back to work on that app!!! Jul 26 04:08:55 lol, my wife is nesting hardcore. she is cleaning and setting all the baby stuff up Jul 26 04:09:01 * Wickednix hides Jul 26 04:09:07 you better hide! Jul 26 04:09:11 * AakashPatel gets the chainsaw Jul 26 04:09:19 wtf! Jul 26 04:09:23 why isn't that link working?Q@ Jul 26 04:09:25 heh Jul 26 04:11:40 wonderful, Now I am downloading Wordpress and getting ready to play with it Jul 26 04:13:32 http://tech.rancorous.net/Android/ Jul 26 04:13:41 that makes no sense :) Jul 26 04:13:55 it can see the file and the perms are right but it just won't let people download it Jul 26 04:15:04 whats the prob, I can access them all Jul 26 04:15:18 you can access RC7? Jul 26 04:15:36 yeah, I got the DL prompt Jul 26 04:15:40 if i save the link Jul 26 04:15:40 oh Jul 26 04:15:41 wtf Jul 26 04:15:43 it works Jul 26 04:15:47 goddamn cache! Jul 26 04:15:50 UGH Jul 26 04:15:52 * Macer turns that off Jul 26 04:15:53 Wickednix: ME TOO Jul 26 04:16:14 well it works now :P Jul 26 04:16:15 lol, brb I need to reboot I have a memory leak somewhere Jul 26 04:18:10 * AakashPatel steals themes from macer's server Jul 26 04:18:14 muwhahaha Jul 26 04:18:27 shiznebit: yah Jul 26 04:18:29 omfg Jul 26 04:18:32 it was my cache :) Jul 26 04:18:41 these themes on their site are amazing Jul 26 04:18:47 AakashPatel: lol Jul 26 04:18:50 yeah Jul 26 04:18:53 www.rancorous.net Jul 26 04:18:56 is my political one ;) Jul 26 04:19:03 tech is for my gadgets Jul 26 04:20:23 well. not really political just yet Jul 26 04:20:28 right now i am just playing with wordpress heh Jul 26 04:20:34 and apache vhosting Jul 26 04:20:37 weee, computer runs fast again Jul 26 04:21:03 http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/fusion Jul 26 04:21:10 macer you steal taht one? Jul 26 04:21:15 wants to thank Macer and aPatel for putting wordpress in my head Jul 26 04:21:23 :D Jul 26 04:22:09 :) Jul 26 04:22:11 monochrome looks futuristic Jul 26 04:22:11 hahaha Jul 26 04:22:16 yah Jul 26 04:22:23 you didn't think i made that crap did you? Jul 26 04:22:27 i'm not that good ;) Jul 26 04:22:35 hell no Jul 26 04:22:37 lol Jul 26 04:22:37 i will probably try to make my own some day Jul 26 04:23:14 they're all nice Jul 26 04:23:19 i want them all! Jul 26 04:23:19 haha Jul 26 04:25:27 * AakashPatel takes monochrome Jul 26 04:25:58 :O Jul 26 04:26:05 omg sooo beatiful Jul 26 04:26:15 * TommyBres takes yourmomochrome Jul 26 04:26:33 NOOOOEEESSS Jul 26 04:28:56 okay Jul 26 04:28:58 bed time :) Jul 26 04:29:33 err must...try...themes Jul 26 04:32:19 okay, im out Jul 26 04:32:20 peace Jul 26 04:36:35 lol Jul 26 04:36:38 nutjob Jul 26 04:44:10 getting "[: not found" but i do see [[ under system/bin should i use [[ instead of [ ? Jul 26 04:46:52 Google Talk should really learn that it is in fact a Jabber client, it is kinda weird, that I have to put non-email Jabber IDs as email addresses into the contacts :-( Jul 26 05:01:09 is it possible to compile irssi for android? my phone runs fh 1.51 Jul 26 05:02:21 cyanogen: did the donut build not come with a boot.img? i see "start a2sd" so i assume you used your own boot.img? or did you just edit it? Jul 26 05:03:39 can someone help me compile irssi for android? Jul 26 05:18:26 hm Jul 26 05:18:31 cyanogen: I'll take a look at wpa_supplicant on there Jul 26 05:42:46 hm Jul 26 05:43:23 http://tech.rancorous.net has its first plagerized article Jul 26 05:43:24 haha Jul 26 05:43:28 * Macer pats himself on the back Jul 26 05:43:34 how to root a G1 :) Jul 26 05:47:54 * _Auron_ sighs Jul 26 05:48:07 <_Auron_> I feel like giving up on stroids Jul 26 05:50:37 noooooo Jul 26 05:53:02 <_Auron_> I can't fucking fix this bug Jul 26 05:53:04 <_Auron_> I don't even know what causes it Jul 26 05:53:41 has anyone looked at the NDK? are there any example apps out there? Jul 26 05:55:53 SO has anyone seen any sample apps for the ndk? Jul 26 06:19:01 phail quit Jul 26 06:25:36 When can we expect some of the new features in donut in JF builds? Jul 26 06:27:52 hi, anyone use androin on alpine? Jul 26 06:28:00 *android Jul 26 06:28:24 lol whats alpine? Jul 26 06:28:53 for instance, mdaIII Jul 26 06:32:17 sorry, no idea. Jul 26 06:32:31 Does anyone know a release date for donut? Or when we can expect donut features in JF builds Jul 26 06:39:22 When can we expect donut? Jul 26 06:39:33 or features of donut implemented in JF builds? Jul 26 06:43:15 <_Auron|G1_> wtf. wtf. wtf. wtf. wtf! Jul 26 06:43:32 <_Auron|G1_> god forbid I hit home to leave the app Jul 26 06:43:36 <_Auron|G1_> I swear to god Jul 26 06:44:38 <_Auron|G1_> getting interrupted by a phonecall doesn't break it. putting the phone into sleep mode doesn't break it Jul 26 06:45:00 <_Auron|G1_> but I hit home and return to it, it either freezes or the texture breaks Jul 26 06:45:33 <_Auron|G1_> and if the texture breaks I can slide the keyboard in/out and that'll restart the app, and the texture will be fixed Jul 26 06:45:35 <_Auron|G1_> w.t.f. Jul 26 06:46:24 <_Auron|G1_> what in the hell is so wrong with my code that this can possibly happen? Jul 26 06:47:39 how do I access controls on the activity from a servic Jul 26 06:54:14 _Auron|G1_, remember that Home is slightly different than back Jul 26 06:54:22 of course, it should be the same as getting a phone call Jul 26 06:54:48 <_Auron_> KNY: another thing I just discovered. Jul 26 06:55:12 <_Auron_> if I press home, change keyboard orientation (slide in/out), then run the app, it works fine Jul 26 06:56:58 <_Auron_> so wtf does that mean Jul 26 06:59:37 haha Jul 26 06:59:38 no idea Jul 26 06:59:44 <_Auron_> see Jul 26 06:59:45 step through with the debugger and see what's changing Jul 26 06:59:50 <_Auron_> this bug is total bullshit Jul 26 06:59:59 I would guess that it's an issue with onCreate/onPause() Jul 26 07:00:13 something in onResume() needs to be moved into onCreate() Jul 26 07:00:18 <_Auron_> or the mere fucking fact Jul 26 07:00:26 <_Auron_> that google DOES NOT DOCUMENT PROPER USAGE OF GLSURFACEVIEW Jul 26 07:00:29 <_Auron_> *ANYWHERE* Jul 26 07:00:38 <_Auron_> every mention is extremely vague Jul 26 07:00:39 <_Auron_> it pisses me off Jul 26 07:00:45 because config changes trigger onCreate() and coming back from home just goes through onResume() ... I think Jul 26 07:00:53 have you tried android-developers? Jul 26 07:01:10 ugh.. damned Atheros AR5009 802.11a/g/n WiFi Adapter .. prolly gonna have to reboot as usual.. one good stable wifi tether with my G1 phone per boot sadly on 11.1 Jul 26 07:01:10 <_Auron_> ? Jul 26 07:01:19 the Google Group Jul 26 07:01:21 *opensuse 11.1.. Jul 26 07:01:52 _Auron_, http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/ Jul 26 07:03:28 <_Auron_> KNY: You're right. onCreate is not called Jul 26 07:03:37 <_Auron_> when returning to the app after pressing home Jul 26 07:03:41 yep Jul 26 07:03:52 <_Auron_> however onSurfaceCreated is called in the glsurfaceview Jul 26 07:04:01 so find out what needs to be moved to onResume() or whatever Jul 26 07:04:15 <_Auron_> and my log outputs to when the textures are processed and loaded are there though Jul 26 07:04:57 sorry, you're outside my realm of knowledge Jul 26 07:05:35 <_Auron_> this is probably going to crash my app. ugh. Jul 26 07:05:39 herro Jul 26 07:05:41 * _Auron_ tries something Jul 26 07:05:41 heh Jul 26 07:05:50 * TommyBres waits for stroids to RELEASE ALREADY Jul 26 07:05:56 hah Jul 26 07:05:57 me too Jul 26 07:06:03 but in the meantime, I shall sleep Jul 26 07:06:05 night, all Jul 26 07:06:11 <_Auron_> TommyBres: ........ Jul 26 07:06:17 yessir? :) Jul 26 07:06:17 <_Auron_> I'm >< close to deleting Stroids Jul 26 07:06:22 <_Auron_> don't piss me off Jul 26 07:06:25 WTF NO Jul 26 07:06:29 <_Auron_> WTF YES Jul 26 07:06:32 <_Auron_> THIS BUG IS BULLSHIT Jul 26 07:06:37 DONT DELETE IT Jul 26 07:06:48 <_Auron_> I already threw my phone across the room because it pissed me off so bad Jul 26 07:06:50 WE LOVE YOU AURON <3 Jul 26 07:10:01 ...did it really make you angry enough to lose $400? Jul 26 07:10:32 <_Auron_> I only spent $120 on my phone Jul 26 07:10:38 <_Auron_> I don't have a ADP Jul 26 07:10:41 <_Auron_> I have a G1 Jul 26 07:10:47 yeah and to buy a new one Jul 26 07:10:50 you'd need $400 Jul 26 07:11:52 <_Auron_> well Jul 26 07:11:57 <_Auron_> considering this bug will probably never be fixed Jul 26 07:12:04 <_Auron_> I don't think I care anymore >:/ Jul 26 07:12:06 it will be Jul 26 07:13:10 it'll get fixed EVENTUALLY, dont be so pessimistic Jul 26 07:13:26 when does it need to be done for ADC2? Jul 26 07:14:41 Greetings - I am having a strange problem - I am getting an ANR after I have closed my app. Jul 26 07:14:46 <_Auron_> 31st of august Jul 26 07:14:52 so you have PLENTY of time, jeesh Jul 26 07:15:08 <_Auron_> a bunch of factors in life are severely depressing me though Jul 26 07:15:17 i.e. I close my app, wait for some time, and then I get a message to force close Jul 26 07:15:33 Anyone faced a similar issue ? Jul 26 07:20:16 how do I access a View from within a service Jul 26 07:20:46 I cant find out how to access the TextView on the activity within the Service... Jul 26 07:24:18 <_Auron_> http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/cc44d664b133d4e5/ebbdb9452d54ddff?lnk=gst&q=onresume#ebbdb9452d54ddff Jul 26 07:24:23 <_Auron_> yay no one has responded to that Jul 26 07:24:27 <_Auron_> and no one probably ever will Jul 26 07:25:43 hi. I have a question about customizing the default ProgressBar via theme.... anyone to help me? Jul 26 07:29:01 just fire away and if anyone can help you they will ;) Jul 26 07:29:33 Can anyone tell me how to access a View on and Activity from within a service. Jul 26 07:30:16 My Main activity implements and start an instance of a Service... my Service needs to update a View on that Activity Jul 26 07:30:29 cant figure it out... seems really simple Jul 26 07:32:15 * _Auron_ wants to destroy android with napalm Jul 26 07:32:40 * TommyBres is down to start shit tonight Jul 26 07:35:48 FenderMan, you should send back a message the activity, and have code in the activity which updates the UI Jul 26 07:38:00 That seems awfully complicated, isnt there a simple way to get to the Activity to update the view from with in the service? Jul 26 07:40:39 hmm, I haven't tried it doing any other way Jul 26 07:41:04 I think it would be better to keep things decoupled Jul 26 07:48:54 can your overload and ovveride a constructor in Java? Jul 26 08:01:27 tmzt: u around? Jul 26 08:19:18 trying to get donut working my magic but phone just "hangs" on boot here is last 2 lines in dmesg http://pastebin.ca/1507664 they are being repated shown till this very moment so im pretty sure the phone didnt freeze or anything it just dark screen cant see crap Jul 26 08:34:29 if a service is being starting by one of the init such as "service dhcpdc /system/....." and that command doesn't exist will the init stop executing the rest of the commands or will it stop ? Jul 26 09:05:05 <_Auron_> holy jesus mother of monkey spanking Jul 26 09:22:21 <_Auron_> oh fun Jul 26 09:27:48 k4r1m: what news in donut ? Jul 26 09:28:55 its hanging can't get past the second boot screen Jul 26 09:29:08 ok Jul 26 09:29:23 k4r1m: if boot, and run say to me please ? Jul 26 09:29:24 hopefully will find a way to get it working by 2mr Jul 26 09:29:27 when* Jul 26 09:29:32 lamusic: ya for sure Jul 26 09:29:37 thanks Jul 26 09:32:19 <_Auron_> wow Jul 26 09:32:25 <_Auron_> I think I found another bug in android with openGL Jul 26 09:32:28 <_Auron_> and it's a veeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyy major bug Jul 26 09:49:02 * Radix_ finishes putting the full body invisibleshield on his htc magic finally.. only took a couple of hours Jul 26 09:49:40 now gotta wait another 12-24 for it to 'cure' Jul 26 09:53:47 <_Auron_> Radix_: do you do any android app coding? Jul 26 09:55:37 so far only hello android ;) Jul 26 09:56:08 I'm a programmer by trade too.. but don't know java and haven't had time to muck around with it much yet Jul 26 09:56:27 <_Auron_> oh, okay Jul 26 09:56:34 <_Auron_> because I think I'm finding some extreme flaws in Android Jul 26 09:56:41 :( Jul 26 09:57:23 Good morning sunshine! Jul 26 09:57:50 _Auron_: perhaps it's worth asking in #android-dev and seeing if anyone there can help? Jul 26 09:57:59 evening apic Jul 26 09:58:26 <_Auron_> Radix_: I've had this issue for days, no one has a damn clue Jul 26 09:59:07 <_Auron_> http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/cc44d664b133d4e5/ebbdb9452d54ddff#ebbdb9452d54ddff <-- this is someone with the same issue. Except no one has replied. Probably won't, either. Jul 26 09:59:29 <_Auron_> for one, almost no android dev has ever touched opengl, so their knowledge is limited to none Jul 26 09:59:53 <_Auron_> leaving opengl developers in the dark. very heavily in the dark. Jul 26 10:00:06 <_Auron_> and google decided to ignore giving proper documentation of glsurfaceview Jul 26 10:17:56 _Auron_: ^5, we really need to get this stuff documented Jul 26 10:22:05 <_Auron_> digitalspaghetti: ? Jul 26 10:24:01 the OpenGL stuff, the current documentation is terrible Jul 26 10:24:10 <_Auron_> no shit Jul 26 10:24:12 (^5 is high 5 btw :p Jul 26 10:24:17 <_Auron_> heh Jul 26 10:24:43 <_Auron_> by the way, I found something else out. possibly due to this: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=2828&can=1&q=opengl&colspec=ID%20Type%20Version%20Security%20Status%20Owner%20Summary Jul 26 10:25:05 <_Auron_> but also, holding home and selecting an app, and selecting the app from the home screen, are not the same thing Jul 26 10:25:38 <_Auron_> in the first case, the last instance is recovered. but in the second case, a new instance is made. Jul 26 10:25:56 <_Auron_> and because a new instance is made of the same program, a new glsurfaceview is made. which android doesn't like. so it essentially stops working. Jul 26 10:25:59 <_Auron_> major flaw. Jul 26 10:26:46 <_Auron_> I don't know how I'm supposed to handle surface initialization in onCreate() and onResume() Jul 26 10:27:16 <_Auron_> but I'm betting with openGL, android has a critical framework issue Jul 26 10:27:35 hi, i use a compass chip akm 8973. has anyone used it here. what units does it output the information? Jul 26 10:31:25 googling for a datasheet gives you nothing? Jul 26 10:33:59 <_Auron_> digitalspaghetti: WTF. bigger mystery! Jul 26 10:34:11 the datasheet does give much information Jul 26 10:34:29 <_Auron_> if I run my game, select the Quit option (which calls activity.finish();), and run my app again... the Home bug is gone Jul 26 10:35:23 weird Jul 26 10:35:27 <_Auron_> THIS MAKES NO SENSE Jul 26 10:35:29 * _Auron_ shrieks Jul 26 10:37:59 hm i just got the donut build working(i think), the moment i turn wifi on it crashes and goes into a boot loop lol... also search, home and the green call phyiscal button dont seem to be getting recognized... i'm pretty sure this is not a donut issue, any clue how to go about fixin this? Jul 26 10:39:28 er the buttons do work but the only thing i could do with them is awak the phone from sleep lol Jul 26 10:45:10 <_Auron_> and adb crashed, yay Jul 26 10:48:05 hehe Jul 26 10:48:11 it happens to me each time Jul 26 10:48:59 The full body InvisibleSHIELD on my HTC Magic - not perfect I'll admit, but it wasn't easy to apply! - http://is.gd/1NjI4 Jul 26 10:49:41 <_Auron_> okay, this seriously has to be a bug in Android Jul 26 10:55:45 I've been told there exists some custom cupcake builds with noticeably more optimizations than the default build, is anyone aware of any? Jul 26 10:57:57 These are not the custom cupcake builds you're looking for. Jul 26 10:58:03 <_Auron_> oh fun. Jul 26 10:58:14 plantain: might help if you tell us which device you have Jul 26 10:58:20 ADP1 Jul 26 10:58:25 <_Auron_> mGLView.setRenderer(mRenderer); <--- this crashes if I don't make a new renderer. if I make a new renderer, openGL stops working. thanks Android. Jul 26 10:59:17 plantain: then you should look at something like cyanogen or JF's builds - your best bet is to read the dream forums at xda-dev and learn how to get these and apply them. Jul 26 10:59:39 <_Auron_> this is DEFINITELY a framework bug Jul 26 10:59:54 I currently have the JF build, but I understand that's just the typical image with a few tweaks Jul 26 11:00:08 cyanogen then Jul 26 11:00:20 okay, I'll take a look, thanks Jul 26 11:00:29 just don't try his donut or experimental ones just yet ;) Jul 26 11:04:14 <_Auron_> god... fuck you adb Jul 26 11:08:37 hey guys - do you know if i can access the eclipse plugin source code somewhere? Jul 26 11:12:42 How do I add extra emoticons for sms? Jul 26 11:23:55 why isnt the hero android built open source Jul 26 11:28:34 god hates you. Jul 26 11:32:26 who me Jul 26 11:32:49 facelessloser: because it's made by htc? and trust me they wont give you the code, we been trying to get the kernel for the 32a magic for ever. Jul 26 11:32:55 Hmm.. Iv'e got some downloads on the market that just don't seem to ever want to download. I've done several reboots since and they just sit there with 'Starting download...' - anyone know how to kick them along? Jul 26 11:33:12 Radix_, I've had that before. Jul 26 11:33:42 sometimes mine takes awhile but they do download in the ned Jul 26 11:33:46 I've tried start/stop, etc.. but nothing seems to work.. it's wierd Jul 26 11:33:52 Radix_, sometimes when I add more downloads, it works? Jul 26 11:33:54 Not sure though. Jul 26 11:34:05 htc suck Jul 26 11:34:27 Radix_, any progress on building a kernel? Jul 26 11:34:50 heh.. not spent any more time on it.. need to corner cyanogen or jf or someone who knows where to start Jul 26 11:35:14 good idea Jul 26 11:35:21 whats the latest jf build Jul 26 11:35:24 <_Auron_> alright, so here's the deal. Jul 26 11:35:25 i got 1.51 Jul 26 11:35:37 <_Auron_> when onDestroy() is called, the app re-running bug is fixed Jul 26 11:36:15 <_Auron_> see the problem is when the app is run more than once, onCreate() is called more than once, which with openGL is a fatal error. there's no direct workaround for that Jul 26 11:39:09 <_Auron_> something in onDestroy() (or something from activity.finish()) gives a slap on the wrist to android telling it that it is still running. Jul 26 11:39:34 <_Auron_> for some reason android thinks it needs to run another instance of the program after the first one has been run, if Home is pressed Jul 26 11:39:49 can someone help me with listviews ? i dont really got the concept about those predefined ids "list" and "empty" Jul 26 11:40:47 i mean, if i set a list in my xml layout file, i wanna give it a unique name, so the concept is only made for if you have a list in an extra xml file ?? Jul 26 12:23:17 hrmm, my recovery image seems to be on the fritz (JF 1.41), it loads up just find, but it doesn't take any input Jul 26 12:23:18 ideas? Jul 26 12:25:21 my bad Jul 26 12:25:32 I wasn't holding alt, just clicking it :> Jul 26 12:48:01 romainguy: can i ask you pm, about vpn ? Jul 26 12:48:26 or SanMehat, but you look more idle Jul 26 12:48:40 hm Jul 26 12:48:49 i need to build up a collection of ROMs Jul 26 12:49:22 <_Auron_> I need to hate Android for a very long time. Jul 26 12:50:05 _Auron_: to get some other work done ? Jul 26 12:51:26 <_Auron_> there is something VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY FUCKING FLAWED about its handling of OpenGL Jul 26 12:51:46 hm Jul 26 12:51:53 tryign to edit wordpress stuff over the vpn seems odd Jul 26 12:51:57 loike there are slight problems with it Jul 26 12:52:45 <_Auron_> it also doesn't help that the emulator doesn't have broken texture but the device does Jul 26 12:52:50 <_Auron_> fuck android Jul 26 12:52:59 <_Auron_> I guess Stroids will never be finished Jul 26 12:54:57 i was tempted to buy a book openglES (i think that is what it is called) Jul 26 12:55:01 to play around with it on android Jul 26 12:55:09 _Auron_: have you lodged a bug ? Jul 26 12:55:25 <_Auron_> go for it Jul 26 12:55:32 <_Auron_> just pray that users of your app never press the Home button Jul 26 12:55:36 wtf is stroids? Jul 26 12:55:37 heh Jul 26 12:55:49 <_Auron_> if they do and try to run your app again, it won't work like it should. at all. Jul 26 12:56:30 <_Auron_> Macer: Game I'm working on. Suprised you haven't heard about it since I've been talking about it for the past month Jul 26 12:56:45 <_Auron_> and a lot of people in here are going nuts over it Jul 26 12:56:51 er Jul 26 12:56:54 going nuts is a good thing ? Jul 26 12:56:54 <_Auron_> I seriously don't think I'll be able to finish it. Jul 26 12:56:58 i don't play many games Jul 26 12:57:03 why can't you finish it? Jul 26 12:57:04 laziness? Jul 26 12:57:16 <_Auron_> I'm not going to release a game that crashes when you run it Jul 26 12:57:19 _Auron_: got it hosted somewhere ? Jul 26 12:57:25 <_Auron_> .... Jul 26 12:57:26 * _Auron_ sighs Jul 26 12:57:28 <_Auron_> it's not done Jul 26 12:57:30 <_Auron_> it's not going to be done Jul 26 12:57:34 I understand the logic. Jul 26 12:57:56 <_Auron_> I can't publicly release it before august 1st if I want to enter it in adc2 Jul 26 12:57:57 so, instead of throwing your hands up, you can put it somewhere for others to look at and learn from. Jul 26 12:58:28 * wmealing probably should have waited for his vpn app too Jul 26 12:58:49 <_Auron_> either android has a critical framework flaw it in when it comes to openGL (most likely case), or there's something extra I have to do that google didn't fucking bother to document with openGL in android Jul 26 12:59:43 or.. your rom could be busted Jul 26 12:59:47 <_Auron_> does anyone that's awake right now have decent experience with android app work, and have 100% knowledge of application lifecycle? Jul 26 12:59:54 <_Auron_> I'm not using a custom rom Jul 26 13:00:01 <_Auron_> and the emulator is doing the same exact thing Jul 26 13:00:23 <_Auron_> aside from actually drawing textures when it doesn't crash Jul 26 13:01:17 yeah, thats what it thought the problem was. Jul 26 13:01:33 <_Auron_> ? Jul 26 13:01:35 <_Auron_> it? Jul 26 13:02:06 s/it/i/g Jul 26 13:02:21 hello everybody Jul 26 13:02:44 i just flashed the jacheroski 2.7.3 and my phone kept rebooting all the time after the hero and htc sign Jul 26 13:05:14 it seems that the same happens for the 2.6.3 Jul 26 13:21:24 which other stable hero rom could i use instead? Jul 26 13:28:03 anyone know if there are any upcoming calendar improvements in donut? Jul 26 13:28:32 No public roadmap at the minute :) Jul 26 13:28:40 i can't believe they work on stuff like multi-touch instead of fixing core-functionality first... :\ Jul 26 13:29:11 I still cant believe there on kernel 2.6.27 Jul 26 13:29:31 yeah its about all the fluff that ticks boxes in reviews Jul 26 13:29:34 is there something pressing that you need ? Jul 26 13:29:40 in the newer kernels ? Jul 26 13:29:56 MoonUnit, most reviews i have seen were way too gentle with the device Jul 26 13:30:23 wmealing: I've got an ocd about having the latest kernel :/ Jul 26 13:30:31 i'm still i awe over the hardware decision to put the speaker on the back - where it gets muffled whenever the phone is laid down Jul 26 13:30:31 nperry: should get that seen to. Jul 26 13:30:42 <_Auron_> raz: or held Jul 26 13:30:43 wmealing: no treatmeant. Jul 26 13:30:50 nperry: i'm so sorry Jul 26 13:31:11 * _Auron_ is even more depressed today than he was yesterday Jul 26 13:31:19 'Tis ok. my netbook is 2.6.31-4 so im happy. Jul 26 13:31:43 tmzt: is there a possibility to read the log of the chat? Jul 26 13:32:01 _Auron_, mine is not muffled when i hold it (my hand doesnt cover it). but when the phone is laying on a table or, worse, on a bed/pillow then the ringtone is barely noticable, even at highest volume Jul 26 13:32:39 ah well, enough whining Jul 26 13:32:41 :P Jul 26 13:48:06 while "formatting cache..." I shouldn't reboot, right? Jul 26 13:50:45 hi all. Jul 26 13:51:05 how can i *safely* rename my sd-cards? Jul 26 13:52:00 i am on the galaxy, and there's two of them, one internal, and one external. Jul 26 13:56:30 has anyone been encountering problems with gallileo? Jul 26 14:18:29 carnegie: this one? no Jul 26 14:37:24 guess i shouldn't have posted that donut has multitouch just cause of those patches in the kernel :) Jul 26 14:39:01 cyanogen: ah, no love for me.. never respond to my tweets. Jul 26 14:39:20 i'm sure you get a lot anyway. Jul 26 14:40:26 i got deluged with followers yesterday Jul 26 14:40:33 i probably missed a bunch of stuff Jul 26 14:40:37 i try to respond to everyone though Jul 26 14:40:45 yeah.. i was wondering if the vpn that was in the donut build was mine. Jul 26 14:40:47 doesnt look like it Jul 26 14:40:49 http://phandroid.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/donut2-200x300.png Jul 26 14:41:03 don't think so Jul 26 14:41:41 yeah, found http://phandroid.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/donut2-200x300.png Jul 26 14:42:41 since google are putting vpn in donut, I wont bother with doing anymore work in mine. Jul 26 14:43:12 people wont go to the effort to root their phone if G provide something already. Jul 26 14:43:46 you're the one doing the vpnc port? Jul 26 14:43:51 yes. Jul 26 14:44:03 i wouldn't stop since it's so close to working Jul 26 14:44:16 we have no idea what is going to end up in the final product Jul 26 14:44:17 it connects, runs, etc. Jul 26 14:44:29 yeah, i had the command line stuff working Jul 26 14:44:33 didn't try the ui Jul 26 14:44:36 * wmealing nods Jul 26 14:44:39 was awhile ago Jul 26 14:44:53 i had a problem with sudo Jul 26 14:44:56 till i tried your rom Jul 26 14:45:01 was on an old JF version Jul 26 14:45:06 and do you _think_ i could get su to work Jul 26 14:45:10 nooo, just a black screen of death Jul 26 14:45:14 i thought it was me doing something wrong. Jul 26 14:46:27 then i went to one of your roms, and then the progress continued Jul 26 14:46:34 as the superuser permission app actually worked. Jul 26 14:46:39 hah Jul 26 14:47:06 i never thought it was the rom, as everyone else apparently had it working Jul 26 14:47:14 thats weird Jul 26 14:47:20 su always worked in jf for me Jul 26 14:47:27 oh it would in the terminal Jul 26 14:47:29 just not in my app Jul 26 14:47:34 i've only every used the adp version tho Jul 26 14:47:39 every/ever Jul 26 14:47:46 you'd get the "do you wish to allow this app to [ always allow , etc ] Jul 26 14:52:04 what does recovery.img do? Jul 26 14:52:36 when you break your phone Jul 26 14:52:45 its the disk image that boots , that allows you to fix it Jul 26 14:52:52 ugh Jul 26 14:52:56 what does the jf version do differently? Jul 26 14:53:00 still moving shit over from odiness.com Jul 26 14:53:03 :) Jul 26 14:53:29 JF is the Prime ROM Jul 26 14:53:42 all other ROMS stem from JF Jul 26 14:53:55 i dont think the ion ones do. Jul 26 14:53:57 shiznebit: can you go to the android tab on http://tech.rancorous.net and make sure the JF roms work? Jul 26 14:53:57 ok got it. what does his recovery.img do? Jul 26 14:54:01 i'm still moving some over there Jul 26 14:54:03 a lot actually :) Jul 26 14:54:04 differntly than the stock one Jul 26 14:54:25 i plagerized Koush's tutorial for rooting a G1 Jul 26 14:54:26 haha Jul 26 14:55:40 how do i boot into recovery.img? Jul 26 14:56:20 http://tech.rancorous.net/2009/07/25/android-gaining-root-on-a-g1-htc-dream/ Jul 26 14:56:28 guest444: read that Jul 26 14:56:29 is that where you hold camera butto and boot? Jul 26 14:56:39 Would anyone happen to know of any software for Android that keeps one's applications automatically updated? Jul 26 14:56:40 Macer: only JesusFrekes roms work -> http://tech.rancorous.net/android/ Jul 26 14:56:51 shiznebit: yeah. i'm working on the rest Jul 26 14:56:51 ok thanks Jul 26 14:56:52 thanks Jul 26 14:57:00 i'll fix the other links in a little bit Jul 26 14:58:50 Macer: will you add the TouchBook ? Jul 26 15:01:34 Would anyone happen to know of any software for Android that keeps one's applications automatically updated? Jul 26 15:03:30 shiznebit: of course ;) Jul 26 15:03:33 shiznebit: they should work now Jul 26 15:04:05 shiznebit: i'mreally anxious for it Jul 26 15:04:10 i doubt it will even come out though Jul 26 15:04:16 Macer: don't forget the greatest roms out there. cyan and thedude Jul 26 15:04:31 darweth: i'm going to add as many as i can find Jul 26 15:04:33 ;) Jul 26 15:04:35 wtf Jul 26 15:04:38 i havn't booted windows in ages Jul 26 15:04:40 i should repartition Jul 26 15:04:41 :D Jul 26 15:04:46 i'm still wgetting JF's stuff Jul 26 15:04:48 nuke windows Jul 26 15:04:57 Macer: if anything we should get it more info tomorrow Jul 26 15:05:14 shiznebit: whatever ;) i doubt it Jul 26 15:05:15 vaporware Jul 26 15:05:18 lol Jul 26 15:05:18 lol Jul 26 15:05:27 is this a chat room only for rom discussion and the more technical aspects of android Jul 26 15:05:45 ? Jul 26 15:05:56 this is a channel for all things android Jul 26 15:06:11 this is android-general-discussion Jul 26 15:06:12 :) Jul 26 15:06:13 cyanogen: I guess it worked that time, eh. Jul 26 15:06:16 which includes.. everything Jul 26 15:06:31 hm, thanks Jul 26 15:07:06 hi all Jul 26 15:07:11 Macer: well they have 5 days Jul 26 15:07:23 5 days? Jul 26 15:07:27 left in the month? :) Jul 26 15:07:27 haha Jul 26 15:07:37 sorry dude Jul 26 15:07:46 i'm going to call it a fluke and expect to never get one Jul 26 15:07:48 if they dont atleast give more info, screw it Jul 26 15:08:03 yah Jul 26 15:08:06 ther's always an n900 Jul 26 15:08:08 or pandora Jul 26 15:08:11 or whatever they want to call it Jul 26 15:08:45 but yeah. i am guessing that i will be stuck with this aspire1 forever Jul 26 15:08:51 instead of the pimp ass touch book that will never exist Jul 26 15:09:36 i might aswell just order a beagle board and be on my way to trying to make my own touchbook Jul 26 15:09:42 or wait for google... Jul 26 15:09:59 to buy alwaysinnovating and actually make a touch book? Jul 26 15:10:00 haha Jul 26 15:10:22 lol Jul 26 15:11:53 :) Jul 26 15:12:01 see? this is why the world doesn't like the french Jul 26 15:12:06 they say they are going to do something that sounds good Jul 26 15:12:08 and in the end Jul 26 15:12:13 someone else winds up doing it for them Jul 26 15:12:17 lol Jul 26 15:12:23 i bought an aspire one and will never buy an acer product again Jul 26 15:12:31 rigel: haha Jul 26 15:12:42 why ? it isn't THAT bad.. although the touchpad makes me want to throw it Jul 26 15:12:46 touchpad keeps crapping out on me Jul 26 15:12:46 i had to disable every feature on it Jul 26 15:12:46 yeah Jul 26 15:12:51 lol Jul 26 15:12:55 and then i send it back for repair Jul 26 15:12:57 lol Jul 26 15:12:59 the touchpad uses some acer crap that sucks Jul 26 15:13:07 and they send it back having done nothing Jul 26 15:13:12 im supposed to send it back again Jul 26 15:13:16 i have a normal mouse hooked up to it now.. but the damn "features" they havce on the 1"x1" trackpad Jul 26 15:13:20 drive me nuts Jul 26 15:13:24 i had to have something, bought it the day before going on a trip Jul 26 15:13:32 but wish i had been able to scare up an msi wind or something Jul 26 15:13:47 the features are fine. its the trackpad itself that keeps crapping out on me Jul 26 15:14:02 i run linux on it so the features are like, whatever, i dont worry about or use them Jul 26 15:14:39 lol Jul 26 15:52:59 i wonder if its possible to repair/replace the sim slot on a g1... Jul 26 15:53:50 my notifications stopped using vibrate and I have no clue why, anybody have any ideas? Jul 26 15:54:04 Not to sure ohgood, I bricked my phone.. Stuck a pen into the gold terminals for the sim card reader. Sent to insurance repair company and they just replaced it :P Jul 26 15:54:34 You did not deserve a replacement. Jul 26 15:54:50 nperry you damaged it on purpose, because you bricked it ? Jul 26 15:55:05 Yeah, bricked it for testing the hard spl! Jul 26 15:55:18 Sorry not hard, special spl Jul 26 15:55:19 it has a simslot? Jul 26 15:55:45 not just contacts under the battery or something? Jul 26 15:55:47 I dunno. I have a CMDA G1 on Verizon. Jul 26 15:56:00 you what? Jul 26 15:56:04 cdma, i mean Jul 26 15:56:07 What? Jul 26 15:56:19 uh, ... Jul 26 15:56:33 what does it say under the battery? Jul 26 15:57:57 so no ideason this loss of vibrate to notify? it is all apps... must be something in the system Jul 26 15:58:14 Vibration does not work at all? Jul 26 15:58:33 Will the Developer Phone work without a SIM? Jul 26 15:58:42 (other than making/receiving calls, I mean) Jul 26 15:58:44 vibrte works, just not on notifications... Jul 26 15:58:45 darweth: didn't know thee was a msm7500/7600 version Jul 26 15:59:09 tanuki: follow the unlock thing, using adb Jul 26 15:59:31 tmzt: I thought it was already unlocked Jul 26 15:59:33 tmzt: There isn't. It is custom re-engineered. Jul 26 16:00:23 where can i find the radio update? Jul 26 16:00:24 for cupcake? Jul 26 16:00:46 Let me make sure I've got this right: the Android Developer Phone is, for all intents and purposes, an HTC Dream (aka G1), but unlocked and differently branded? Jul 26 16:05:09 http://android-roms.googlecode.com/files/ota-radio-2_22_19_26I.zip Jul 26 16:05:19 is that the latest? Jul 26 16:05:26 or is that a cupcake one? Jul 26 16:05:28 i cant get conected to this chat room on android irc app Jul 26 16:05:54 To freenode in general? Jul 26 16:05:58 yeha Jul 26 16:06:05 i dont know how to set it up Jul 26 16:06:05 Hold on, I will help you Jul 26 16:06:11 thanks Jul 26 16:06:14 use orwell.freenode.net server Jul 26 16:06:24 ok thanks Jul 26 16:08:08 how to you fill in the new server Jul 26 16:08:56 just new server ---> orwell.freenode.net in the server line Jul 26 16:08:58 for some reason, my LCD has been randomly refusing to wake up Jul 26 16:09:01 weren't you just able to connect? :) Jul 26 16:09:17 yeah but it didnt take me to this room Jul 26 16:09:41 You in the box under Name Jul 26 16:09:43 put #android Jul 26 16:10:08 yeah i put that in but it didnt work, im going to try again Jul 26 16:10:47 I see you. Jul 26 16:10:59 theres 2 of me now Jul 26 16:11:03 thanks darweth Jul 26 16:11:05 Yeah. Np. Jul 26 16:11:44 but i cant send anything on the g1 it just says invalid comand Jul 26 16:13:00 hm Jul 26 16:13:01 ok Jul 26 16:13:03 hm weird Jul 26 16:13:07 anybody here have any iformation on hero? Jul 26 16:13:14 or have a link where i can read up on it so i can add teh roms to my site? Jul 26 16:13:17 working here Jul 26 16:13:54 <_Auron|G1_> on a sunday? Jul 26 16:14:57 Sunday is a day of labor. Jul 26 16:15:17 <_Auron|G1_> ew Jul 26 16:16:23 i'm going to try running the sdk on windows... in a qemu session... we'll see :D Jul 26 16:22:31 could anyone look at this and tell me if my LCD is broken? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4207135#post4207135 Jul 26 16:26:44 hello Jul 26 16:26:47 i need some help Jul 26 16:27:01 student: with what? Jul 26 16:27:07 i am not able to install android on Ubuntu Jul 26 16:27:46 student: you mean the devkit? Jul 26 16:28:07 i installed eclipse Jul 26 16:28:19 yes, i think the devkit Jul 26 16:28:33 the tools necessary to code android apps Jul 26 16:28:45 i am not able to install the devkit Jul 26 16:29:10 i can't find the file named "~/.bashrc file" in my home directory Jul 26 16:29:17 student: what happens? Normally you simply unpack it and then you can run the emulator Jul 26 16:29:44 student: why do you need it? If you need to put somehting in it, and you don't have it, you can simply create it Jul 26 16:29:54 when i double click on the emulator icon, nothing happens Jul 26 16:30:05 meaning, no window opens up Jul 26 16:31:08 i am not able to run the emulator Jul 26 16:31:09 student, run it in a terminal Jul 26 16:31:18 how do i do that? Jul 26 16:31:32 open a terminal, cd to your sdk, and run ./emulator ? Jul 26 16:31:34 what terminal commands should i enter? Jul 26 16:31:48 ok, i'll try Jul 26 16:32:45 what does "cd" mean? Jul 26 16:33:20 i am a little new, so i don't know too much about terminal commands Jul 26 16:33:35 change directory Jul 26 16:34:21 ok, i am in my /tools directory Jul 26 16:34:26 what should i do next Jul 26 16:34:41 ./emulator Jul 26 16:35:18 this is what the terminal says: Jul 26 16:35:38 let me guess: you never created an AVD? Jul 26 16:35:39 -bash: /.emulator: No such file or directory Jul 26 16:35:46 you didn't type what I told you tol Jul 26 16:35:50 s/tol/to/ Jul 26 16:35:56 look again Jul 26 16:36:42 sorry KNY Jul 26 16:36:52 i have typed the correct thing now Jul 26 16:36:56 <_Auron_> android angers me Jul 26 16:37:03 this is what the terminal says : Jul 26 16:37:59 emulator: ERROR: You did not provide the name of an Android Virtual Device Jul 26 16:38:06 it's Jul 26 16:38:11 ./emulator -avd Jul 26 16:38:14 i think Jul 26 16:38:14 student, are you transposing what the terminal says? you can copy/paste to/from it Jul 26 16:38:24 sipa1024, I have a feeling he never created an AVD Jul 26 16:38:38 KNY: i think so too :) Jul 26 16:38:42 <_Auron_> sipa: hold ctrl when pressing enter, should ignore commands and send as a reg message Jul 26 16:38:46 i don't think i have created an AVD Jul 26 16:38:58 <_Auron_> fyi *shrug* Jul 26 16:39:06 emulator: ERROR: You did not provide the name of an Android Virtual Device Jul 26 16:39:08 with the '-avd ' option. Read -help-avd for more information. Jul 26 16:39:09 If you *really* want to *NOT* run an AVD, consider using '-data ' Jul 26 16:39:10 to specify a data partition image file (I hope you know what you're doing). Jul 26 16:39:27 _Auron_: ? Jul 26 16:39:37 student: i'll help you Jul 26 16:39:38 student, do not paste into here Jul 26 16:39:48 sorry Jul 26 16:39:48 <_Auron_> so you don't have to put . in front of / Jul 26 16:39:56 ok Jul 26 16:39:58 _Auron_: the . was part of my message :) Jul 26 16:40:11 <_Auron_> :P okay. Jul 26 16:40:19 didn't work Jul 26 16:40:26 student: try this Jul 26 16:40:26 * KNY points _Auron_ to the /say command Jul 26 16:40:28 ./android list Jul 26 16:40:29 <_Auron_> oh nm Jul 26 16:40:50 <_Auron_> KNY: /say is slower :( Jul 26 16:40:57 _Auron_: how to type a message that starts with a / depends on your irc client Jul 26 16:41:04 pressing ctrl won't work in mine Jul 26 16:41:04 <_Auron_> I know Jul 26 16:41:10 <_Auron_> ah Jul 26 16:41:24 <_Auron_> most ignore with ctrl Jul 26 16:41:50 entering "/emulator" didn't work Jul 26 16:42:03 try /quote /hello Jul 26 16:42:14 student: listen Jul 26 16:42:18 type this: Jul 26 16:42:21 ./android list Jul 26 16:42:29 including the . Jul 26 16:42:51 done Jul 26 16:42:55 what next? Jul 26 16:43:28 choose from that list what kind of virtual device you want to create Jul 26 16:43:37 most likely 2 or 3 Jul 26 16:43:53 what is the difference? Jul 26 16:44:10 <_Auron_> didn't mean to confuse. I'm half-awake atm Jul 26 16:44:18 there are 3 options : id 1, id 2, id 3 Jul 26 16:44:37 as a beginner to android development, what should i choose? Jul 26 16:44:40 2 is more customizable (base android 1.5 device), 3 includes more google-stuff and is less customizable Jul 26 16:44:44 and how do i choose it Jul 26 16:45:22 fine, so how do i choose 2? Jul 26 16:45:25 ok Jul 26 16:45:28 type this: Jul 26 16:45:50 ./android avd create -t 2 -n Jul 26 16:46:12 and then just answer the questions Jul 26 16:47:31 The only build that I've been able to get HSDPA on t-mobile UK on an ADP is with haykuro's 6.0r1, does anybody know why this is? Jul 26 16:48:54 sipa1024: -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' Jul 26 16:49:08 what should i do? Jul 26 16:49:12 type it correctly :) Jul 26 16:49:22 student: not including the < > Jul 26 16:49:35 sorry Jul 26 16:49:36 hm Jul 26 16:49:40 and the name of the device should be without spaces, or enclosed in "" Jul 26 16:49:43 i'll try again Jul 26 16:49:56 sorry. i knwo i asked this already but can someone direct me t owhere I can find information on how to download/install the hero roms? Jul 26 16:50:20 sipa1024: it worked Jul 26 16:50:33 sipa1024: there is tons of text in my terminal now Jul 26 16:50:45 sipa1024: what questions should i answer? Jul 26 16:51:19 if you picked 2 (base 1.5 android), you should have gotten a question like : Jul 26 16:51:20 Do you wish to create a custom hardware profile [no] Jul 26 16:52:21 how do i pick 2? Jul 26 16:52:35 i didn't pick anything Jul 26 16:52:38 you did Jul 26 16:52:51 it's the 2 after the -t in the avd create command Jul 26 16:53:55 ok, i entered the avd command you asked me to, but wasn't asked any question Jul 26 16:55:09 i didn't get a question like : Jul 26 16:55:11 Do you wish to create a custom hardware profile [no] Jul 26 16:55:20 what's the last line that appeared? Jul 26 16:55:53 No options Jul 26 16:56:06 that is the last line that appeared Jul 26 16:57:09 what command did you type exactly? Jul 26 16:57:43 i typed the following command : Jul 26 16:57:46 ./android avd create -t 2 -n virtualdevice Jul 26 16:58:47 sorry Jul 26 16:58:54 it was 'create avd' instead of 'avd create' Jul 26 16:59:20 you could have guessed that by reading the output op './android' Jul 26 16:59:24 of Jul 26 16:59:39 thanks sipa1024 Jul 26 16:59:47 the question has now appeared Jul 26 16:59:55 what should i answer? Jul 26 16:59:57 did someone already port wesnoth to the android? :-) Jul 26 17:00:29 student: experiment :) Jul 26 17:00:42 Do you wish to create a custom hardware profile [no] Jul 26 17:00:55 what should i answer to the question above? Jul 26 17:01:47 sipa1024: what should i answer to the question above? Jul 26 17:01:54 experiment with it Jul 26 17:01:59 sorry? Jul 26 17:02:00 your options are 'yes' and 'no" :) Jul 26 17:02:11 just try something and see where it leads you Jul 26 17:02:34 what do you suggest? yes or no? Jul 26 17:02:42 what should i type into the terminal? Jul 26 17:03:04 should i create a custom hardware profile or not? Jul 26 17:03:37 most likely you won't, but you'll learn more by trying 'yes' :D Jul 26 17:03:58 i just want to get started out quickly Jul 26 17:04:18 shall i type no right now Jul 26 17:04:31 Question: Can i use android to HTC Tanager phone? Jul 26 17:04:34 i guess i can always come back and type 'yes' later Jul 26 17:04:48 student: you can Jul 26 17:04:59 i just typed no Jul 26 17:05:06 sipa1024: what now? Jul 26 17:05:30 emulator is still not running Jul 26 17:05:53 how do you think you would start the emulator? Jul 26 17:07:22 by double clicking on it Jul 26 17:07:26 :( Jul 26 17:07:32 how else? Jul 26 17:07:46 haha Jul 26 17:07:50 :( Jul 26 17:07:57 i am really new to linux Jul 26 17:08:01 and to android Jul 26 17:08:07 :) Jul 26 17:08:08 you were quite close before you noticed that you didn't create an avd Jul 26 17:08:28 what next? Jul 26 17:08:37 18:38:11 < sipa1024> ./emulator -avd Jul 26 17:08:57 how do i get my devkit running Jul 26 17:09:49 i won't guide you through that step by step, you read the documentation online Jul 26 17:10:45 ok :) Jul 26 17:10:46 i second that.. the docs are pretty straight forward. Jul 26 17:10:57 thanks for eveything sipa1024 Jul 26 17:10:59 :) Jul 26 17:13:13 Can i use android to HTC Tanager phone? Jul 26 17:14:04 sipa1024: the emulator is now running Jul 26 17:14:22 sipa1024: don't i have to use it through eclipse or something? Jul 26 17:15:04 student: http://developer.android.com/intl/fr/guide/tutorials/hello-world.html Jul 26 17:16:07 sipa1024: thanks a lot for everything :) Jul 26 17:16:20 now i should be able to figure things out on my own... Jul 26 17:16:34 bye! Jul 26 17:16:43 what's the best bittorrent client for android? Jul 26 17:16:48 thanks again for the help Jul 26 17:19:21 hm Jul 26 17:19:22 sipa1024: wow, that was quite some patience. Jul 26 17:19:30 jbq: yes... :p Jul 26 17:19:34 is there a bittorrent client for android haha Jul 26 17:19:35 wtf Jul 26 17:19:56 that would murder a phone Jul 26 17:20:08 actually, would be good to have it "remote control" another client. Jul 26 17:20:09 Macer, yes Jul 26 17:20:31 you wouldn't want to port azureus to android tho :p Jul 26 17:20:34 Macer, there's one out there that will let you scan a barcode and it pulls up a piratebay.org search for the item Jul 26 17:20:49 1 Jul 26 17:21:25 Note to self: next time I spend time in the office during a summer week-end, I'll wear shorts. Jul 26 17:23:42 the real trick is to vpn in, make your boss THINK you are there. Jul 26 17:24:03 ok Jul 26 17:24:06 wtf is a pingback? Jul 26 17:24:07 heh Jul 26 17:24:41 when someone links to your article from another blog Jul 26 17:25:01 lets you know thats the case. Jul 26 17:25:21 usually automated from their blog posting software. Jul 26 17:25:44 JesusFreke: oh Jul 26 17:25:48 watch out for pingback spam though :) Jul 26 17:26:00 i mean... what would denying it do? :) Jul 26 17:26:21 "This is good info, I'll check back!" and the pingback link is some spammy page Jul 26 17:26:26 i mean like.. if someone links to it they link to it Jul 26 17:26:48 its an attempt to give credibility/trick searchengines into thinking their data is related. Jul 26 17:27:36 JesusFreke: so how would i know if it is a span site or not? Jul 26 17:27:46 spam Jul 26 17:27:47 heh Jul 26 17:27:55 i mean it doesn't give me much information on who is making the request Jul 26 17:27:57 how do you know a spam email is a spam email? lol Jul 26 17:28:12 the pingback should include a link to the site that is linking to your site Jul 26 17:28:21 does the link itself look spammy? Jul 26 17:28:50 the text is almost always a very generic variant of "this is great info" Jul 26 17:28:59 "i love your site" Jul 26 17:29:09 "this is very relevant to my blog!" Jul 26 17:30:10 wordpress usually does a good job of flagging them as spam Jul 26 17:30:35 oh there's no actual torrent client for android? like if i have an account with a private bittorrent community, i can't just log-in & download torrents from there? Jul 26 17:30:54 arrrrr! Jul 26 17:30:58 ;) Jul 26 17:31:34 wmealing: haha Jul 26 17:31:37 screw tht.. i'll just deny everybody Jul 26 17:31:41 it's MINE.. mine mine mine Jul 26 17:31:44 heh Jul 26 17:31:54 even if i stole the rooting instructions from Koush :) Jul 26 17:32:12 Macer: I would suspect that the pingback links help your site with google Jul 26 17:32:16 (not positive though..) Jul 26 17:32:19 hi has anyone come across the following exception Error receiving broadcast Intent { action=android.provider.Telephony.SMS_RECEIVED (has extras) } Jul 26 17:32:25 blah. screw google Jul 26 17:32:30 if someone needs to read it they will ;) Jul 26 17:32:44 they can't read it if they can't find it ;) Jul 26 17:32:49 they will come here and ask "how do i root my G1" and i'll give them a link to my site.. and then that will start the chain reaction Jul 26 17:33:00 :) lol Jul 26 17:33:15 sometimes it isn't good having things on google Jul 26 17:33:38 JesusFreke: is that your wordpress site? Jul 26 17:33:43 the one that has your blogs on it? Jul 26 17:33:46 I wouldn't know anything about that Jul 26 17:33:47 http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=jesusfreke&btnG=Google+Search Jul 26 17:33:53 87k hits Jul 26 17:33:56 hahahaha Jul 26 17:34:01 you're famous!! Jul 26 17:34:13 make money off stuff Jul 26 17:34:18 Macer: is what my wordpress site? Jul 26 17:34:36 er.. i dunno.. wherever i downloaded this damn JF ROM from :) Jul 26 17:34:37 heh Jul 26 17:34:46 my site is jf.andblogs.net Jul 26 17:34:51 could anyone take a look at my kernel log real quick? my lcd decides to stop waking up sometimes, im hoping its a software bug Jul 26 17:34:52 yeah. that's te one Jul 26 17:35:18 ah well.. i need to work on the Hero stuff on my site Jul 26 17:35:37 JesusFreke: if you get time "http://tech.rancorous.net" let me know what you think. i'm still working on it a lot Jul 26 17:35:42 i need to make my own theme sooner or later :) Jul 26 17:35:54 wordpress seriously makes this stuff too easy haha Jul 26 17:36:30 Macer: a google search for http://tech.rancorous.net doesn't even have your site on the first page :p Jul 26 17:37:37 what! not even a single post about the touchbook? :) Jul 26 17:38:09 JesusFreke: you were working a dalvik disasm/assembler right ? Jul 26 17:38:23 yes Jul 26 17:38:26 smali.googlecode.com Jul 26 17:38:30 ah, got a page now Jul 26 17:38:31 download and enjoy! :) Jul 26 17:38:31 nice Jul 26 17:38:46 also - #smali :) Jul 26 17:38:48 sometime in the future, was thinking about how hard it would be to hook it up to llvm Jul 26 17:38:54 <_Auron_> JesusFreke: Either android is poorly coded when it comes to handling openGL views, or it's made VERY VERY difficult to create a stable opengl app Jul 26 17:38:58 <_Auron_> fyi Jul 26 17:39:16 _Auron_: I'll keep that in mind :) Jul 26 17:39:36 <_Auron_> I can't fix this Home issue Jul 26 17:39:45 wmealing: I'm not really familiar with llvm, so I can't comment :) Jul 26 17:40:00 no problem, i kinda was thinking of it as an exercise. Jul 26 17:40:02 JesusFreke: hahaha Jul 26 17:40:13 JesusFreke: i'm still working on android :-P Jul 26 17:40:21 if i were to make a post on the touch book Jul 26 17:40:44 it would be something like "When am I getting my vaporbook?!" LIES! ALL LIES! Jul 26 17:40:46 you would probably get a comment from GenericNode ;) Jul 26 17:40:51 lol Jul 26 17:40:54 maybe Jul 26 17:41:05 wat Jul 26 17:41:13 but i wanted to make a 1 spot place for this stuff Jul 26 17:41:16 like the android fies and stuff Jul 26 17:41:20 oh, hi GenericNode! ;) Jul 26 17:41:24 it kind of sucks when people linnk elsewhere and it's down Jul 26 17:41:27 better it all is down :) haha Jul 26 17:41:29 bbl Jul 26 17:41:40 Hi JF. Is Macer talking about the Phantom Game Console again? Jul 26 17:41:49 Because He should know, it's vaporware. Jul 26 17:42:02 isnt it obviously a joke ? Jul 26 17:42:19 NO Jul 26 17:42:35 right. Jul 26 17:42:36 wmealing: reading about llvm a bit. Sounds like an interesting project ): Jul 26 17:42:38 :)* Jul 26 17:43:17 JesusFreke: I'll probably get time around christmas, but till then i'll be watching. (creepy music here) Jul 26 17:44:01 so, yeah.. write an llvm backend to your assembler.. Jul 26 17:44:10 great, now I'll constantly be looking over my shoulder when working on bak/smali code Jul 26 17:44:22 like the scarey movies, BEHIND YOU ! BEHIND YOU! Jul 26 17:47:23 JesusFreke: there is a test version of mono on llvm, but it's slower for some things Jul 26 17:49:12 tmzt: its the applied theory that this kind of compiler could result in some very interesting output. Jul 26 17:49:43 ? Jul 26 17:50:33 ok, so the compiler generates slower C# bytecode, but the end result is to generate faster code than the original compiler, and then the target backend can be various "machines" Jul 26 17:50:55 * wmealing notices someone here called "The compiler" Jul 26 17:52:02 so, at the moment its not optimized, but the plan is to write intermediary steps that generate optimized code for any particular back end system. Jul 26 17:52:44 at least thats how I see it Jul 26 17:53:54 GenericNode: well.. all i can do is wait ;) Jul 26 17:54:02 i'd be a little pissed if they stole my money Jul 26 17:54:03 but so far so good Jul 26 17:54:23 (this is seriously about the phantom console ?) Jul 26 17:54:32 wmealing: haha Jul 26 17:54:45 no. the next best thing: the touch book Jul 26 17:55:09 i see. Jul 26 17:56:50 the touch phantom console Jul 26 17:56:52 it's coming Jul 26 17:57:01 Pre-Order NOW! Jul 26 17:57:13 i remember reading about that in hyper magazine, in the days of old. Jul 26 18:09:34 <_Auron_> OMG Jul 26 18:09:37 <_Auron_> I don't know how to fix this! Jul 26 18:09:41 <_Auron_> this is impossible! Jul 26 18:13:58 _Auron_: what's your problem? Jul 26 18:14:09 also, have you sent an email to android-developers to ask for help? Jul 26 18:15:32 <_Auron_> romainguy: http://pastebin.org/4335 Jul 26 18:16:38 do you have anything special in your manifest? Jul 26 18:16:42 like a launchMode, etc? Jul 26 18:16:56 also, the emulator uses a software implementation of OpenGL, which explains the differences you see Jul 26 18:17:22 also, there can be only one GL context at a time because of the drivers :( Jul 26 18:17:47 anyway, post this on android-developers Jul 26 18:18:37 <_Auron_> romainguy: right, but onCreate is called the second time the program is attempted to run (whether or not it's still running), causing certain things to be reset, but setRenderer still knows there's another renderer active, and it crashes Jul 26 18:18:45 <_Auron_> HUGE flaw with openGL IMO Jul 26 18:19:05 <_Auron_> I don't have anything special in my manifest due to a framecap bug caused by orientation changes. Jul 26 18:19:18 <_Auron_> which I bugreported through google's reporting system Jul 26 18:19:24 that's because you should always surrender your context whenever the user leaves your activity Jul 26 18:19:32 as for the framecap "bug" it's not really a bug Jul 26 18:19:50 it's because it costs time to flip the buffer to render in landscape Jul 26 18:19:54 <_Auron_> the 48FPS cap caused by changing orientation in manifest apart from setting it with software? Jul 26 18:20:10 <_Auron_> setting it with code* Jul 26 18:20:10 it's done by the MDP chipset but still takes time Jul 26 18:20:23 anyhow Jul 26 18:20:27 post your question on android-developers Jul 26 18:20:34 <_Auron_> if I change orientation with this.setRequestedOrientation(ActivityInfo.SCREEN_ORIENTATION_LANDSCAPE);, I don't get the framerate cap Jul 26 18:20:44 and surrender your GL context whenever your user leaves your activity Jul 26 18:20:45 <_Auron_> an dwhat do you mean by surrender my context? Jul 26 18:20:59 <_Auron_> how do I do that. O_o Jul 26 18:21:24 <_Auron_> that might be all I need to do (there's no documentation with openGL, or any examples, that state to do this) Jul 26 18:24:49 are you using a GLSurfaceView? Jul 26 18:25:01 <_Auron_> yep, from 1.5 Jul 26 18:25:20 do you call GLSurfaceView onResume/onPause from your Acitvity's onResume/onPause Jul 26 18:25:21 ? Jul 26 18:25:30 <_Auron_> yes. Jul 26 18:26:30 then I don't know, I've never used GLSurfaceView Jul 26 18:26:35 post your question on android-developers :p Jul 26 18:27:56 <_Auron_> D: okay Jul 26 18:32:04 where can i find the default android sms application codes? Jul 26 18:32:46 packages/apps/Mms Jul 26 18:44:01 when running adb commands i get error: device not found, i read somewhere for linux/windows you have to install the android driver but i can't seem to find it Jul 26 18:44:07 can anyone point me in the right direction Jul 26 18:45:32 n/m Jul 26 18:57:32 is there a more suitable channel for sipdroid related questions? Jul 26 19:23:02 morning Jul 26 19:23:07 anyone home? Jul 26 19:26:35 I guess not Jul 26 19:26:42 * Wickednix looks around, nah. Day off for the smart ones Jul 26 19:26:55 i need coffee Jul 26 19:27:00 Just us plan Jons Jul 26 19:27:17 plain* Jul 26 19:27:43 hmm, I just want to know why do I have the same contact twice in my contact list Jul 26 19:28:07 it is really the same, when I change something in one, the other is also changed Jul 26 19:33:11 tbo: does it show up twice in gmail contacts in your browser? Jul 26 19:34:39 jsharkey: no Jul 26 19:34:46 jsharkey: only on my phone Jul 26 19:35:10 whcih display group are you looking at? "My Contacts" or something else? Jul 26 19:35:48 Google Talk is really a pain in the you know what, when it comes to jabber IDs which a no email addresses Jul 26 19:36:16 jsharkey: my Contacts Jul 26 19:36:55 hmm sounds like an obscure bug in the syncing algorithm Jul 26 19:37:24 it probably edits the one entry directly, through contactId, then syncs up to server, then down to all matching _SYNC_ID contacts, which fills in the second one Jul 26 19:38:42 I deleted both contacts which where effected Jul 26 19:39:19 hey there.. is the connection-problem solved? (wifi and all connections are getting down, and I am forced to switch to airplane-mode and back to get it working) Jul 26 19:47:45 xaxes: not at my phone Jul 26 19:49:46 tbo: not this error, or not got solved on your phone? ;) Jul 26 19:51:25 xaxes: not solved Jul 26 19:51:35 xaxes: I have the same problem Jul 26 19:52:11 okay, thank you.. its very annoying .. I use my G1 as remote control for mythtv.. and after few secs/mins Iam forced to reset airplan-mode.. Jul 26 19:52:36 xaxes: not so often but one time it often enough I think Jul 26 19:52:44 tbo: whats the problem? Jul 26 19:52:52 Iam very "enttaeuscht" from g1.. wifi at uni is very crappy, remote-control doesnt work properly, the battery is very low .. and and and .. Jul 26 19:53:15 tbo: it is very often by me .. Jul 26 19:53:18 i'm afraid the G1 is very sensitive to crappy wifi networks Jul 26 19:53:21 every ad ;) Jul 26 19:53:45 * Wickednix throws an iPhone at xaxes and runs Jul 26 19:53:50 hehe Wickednix :) Jul 26 19:55:30 SanMehat: the data connection simply vanished and can only restored by going into airplane mode and back Jul 26 20:00:34 Hello! Jul 26 20:00:43 hey Jul 26 20:00:59 donut is master now Jul 26 20:01:01 sweet :) Jul 26 20:01:03 tbo: your wifi connection right? Jul 26 20:01:09 cyanogen: ;) Jul 26 20:01:10 Does anyone know if it is possible to obtain entries from the app manifest? Jul 26 20:01:29 new recovery is out from me too: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=523558 Jul 26 20:02:10 hmmm Jul 26 20:02:47 mmm want vegan donuts... Jul 26 20:02:53 grey-: :) Jul 26 20:03:02 one of the only reasons worth going to vegas. Jul 26 20:03:03 soggy donuts :( Jul 26 20:03:07 ronald's vegan soy cream donuts. Jul 26 20:03:12 jelly donuts too! Jul 26 20:03:24 * grey- debates going to defcon for the food. Jul 26 20:03:42 grey-: vegan donuts arent that hard to cook i believe :D Jul 26 20:04:03 true... but good quality is harder to achieve. Jul 26 20:04:08 hehe :D Jul 26 20:04:08 light+fluffy... Jul 26 20:04:16 try soya-meal ;) Jul 26 20:04:23 for eggs Jul 26 20:04:34 args Jul 26 20:04:41 s/meal/"mehl"/ Jul 26 20:04:43 ^^ Jul 26 20:05:13 oh meal is right Jul 26 20:05:49 banana's work well too as an egg subsitute. Jul 26 20:05:59 tbo: would be nice, if you tell me solutions for the connection-problem ;) if you get one :D Jul 26 20:06:17 grey-: but bananas have a strong flavor ;) Jul 26 20:06:24 a tasty one. ;) Jul 26 20:06:28 of course :D Jul 26 20:06:57 do you have good recipes online (mainmeal high-protein)? Jul 26 20:07:04 newbie here, what to do to get hero installed on magic? Jul 26 20:07:13 for donuts? No. ;-/ Jul 26 20:07:20 we made some vegan donuts at toorcamp. Jul 26 20:07:26 but they were only just passable. Jul 26 20:07:33 not worth passing on a recipe. Jul 26 20:07:37 grey-: no, main-meals :D good casseroles or so :D Jul 26 20:07:59 cant find a good resource for vegan/veggi recipes ;) Jul 26 20:08:08 oh Jul 26 20:08:17 http://www.waste.org/~oxymoron/recipes/macncheese.html Jul 26 20:08:31 that's a great recipe for comfort food. ;) Jul 26 20:08:48 I don't cook often enough. Jul 26 20:08:59 but if you want to know restaurants to eat at. ;) Jul 26 20:09:08 Im from germany :D Jul 26 20:09:15 vegan with a vegeance is probably one of the more popular books among friends. Jul 26 20:09:34 (written by the people who wrote vegan cupcakes take over the world and stuff) Jul 26 20:09:37 xaxes: ah cool. Jul 26 20:09:44 xaxes: ever go to CCC or HAR or anything? Jul 26 20:10:04 not till now.. its very expensive for a student ;) Jul 26 20:10:37 ah... Jul 26 20:10:41 I'll be at HAR. Jul 26 20:10:44 was at 23c3. Jul 26 20:10:50 you should definitely hit up CCC. Jul 26 20:11:32 yes, wanted to go to the last ccc, thought I got a cheap ticket (as pupil/student), but only pupils got the cheap ones .. =\ Jul 26 20:11:40 where are u from? Jul 26 20:11:54 I live in San Francisco. Jul 26 20:12:09 oha.. a long way to travel ;) Jul 26 20:12:15 true. ;) Jul 26 20:12:20 is there any good place to buy a rogers phone in the us presides ebay? Jul 26 20:12:22 airfare is much more than ticket cost. ;) Jul 26 20:12:31 damn .. :D Jul 26 20:12:33 is anyone here on Rogers Wireless? Jul 26 20:14:42 grey-: thx for recipe, gonna try it next week ;) gonna afk, seey a :) Jul 26 20:14:48 ttyl! Jul 26 20:15:08 who here has an HTC Magic? (if so, what rom do you use?) Jul 26 20:15:46 I have one Jul 26 20:15:50 I use Donut :p Jul 26 20:16:24 eh? Jul 26 20:22:19 bragbragbrag, romainguy :P Jul 26 20:24:18 KNY: it's my petty vengeance for all the whining here :p Jul 26 20:24:31 you know how to cut me to the quick Jul 26 20:25:33 lol Jul 26 20:25:56 sorry, I must just be getting bitter about all these "Android 2.0" and "full multitouch support" articles Jul 26 20:26:04 hahah Jul 26 20:26:06 I am deeply saddened by the poor quality of news reporting nowadays Jul 26 20:26:08 <-- my fault Jul 26 20:26:12 * cyanogen frowns Jul 26 20:26:15 cyanogen: it's not your fault Jul 26 20:26:20 i saw multitouch in the kernel Jul 26 20:26:31 a real journalist/blogger should be checking facts before reporting them :) Jul 26 20:26:38 reminds me of this idiotic comment on slashdot today: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1315513&cid=28828161 Jul 26 20:26:58 a real geek would have actually check the rest of the code before saying that though :) Jul 26 20:27:41 when I see how distorted and wrong Android news are, I can't help but be really scared about other news I read :) Jul 26 20:27:48 hahah Jul 26 20:27:49 real geek? Jul 26 20:27:53 especially on topics that really matter :) Jul 26 20:27:58 hahah Jul 26 20:27:58 people eating quiche around here? Jul 26 20:28:07 so what is the extent of the multitouch support? Jul 26 20:28:14 for those of us too lazy to grep ;-) Jul 26 20:28:22 *apparently* there's something in the kernel Jul 26 20:28:31 but there's absolutely nothing in the framework or the apps Jul 26 20:28:36 heh Jul 26 20:28:41 so, are there new proprietary hardware binaries for the dream in existence that will allow us to actually use the new code? Jul 26 20:28:46 hero has it for some apps, no? Jul 26 20:28:46 no extents? hmm. Jul 26 20:29:02 KNY: that would be HTC's code, it's not part of the Android platform Jul 26 20:29:09 yeah Jul 26 20:29:10 cyanogen: no clue, you'd have to ask jbq Jul 26 20:29:34 also, gestures Jul 26 20:29:47 there's a public API for them Jul 26 20:30:01 but they will not be integrated in Home or Contacts when Donut gets released as an official update Jul 26 20:30:21 the code drop you got contains an experiment of gestures in Home Jul 26 20:30:38 more than just swipe left/right I assume? Jul 26 20:30:43 someone will code it i'm sure :) Jul 26 20:30:49 gestures == arbitrary shapes recognition Jul 26 20:30:56 cyanogen: that's what the API is for Jul 26 20:31:11 and you can see how we did our experiment in Home in git Jul 26 20:31:14 romainguy, no, I meant is the experimental Home using more than just left/right Jul 26 20:31:20 will do Jul 26 20:31:25 oh yeah Jul 26 20:31:32 neat Jul 26 20:31:33 you can associate any gesture to any shortcut Jul 26 20:31:39 interesting Jul 26 20:31:46 but we cut this feature Jul 26 20:31:56 I assume we're still limited to 3 screens? Jul 26 20:32:00 yep Jul 26 20:32:19 alternative homes on market are perfect for people who want more :) Jul 26 20:32:34 what was the reasoning behind that? I assume you did user testing or something to come up with the magic number of 3? Jul 26 20:33:01 we wanted flexibility without being overwhelming Jul 26 20:33:16 if you have to scroll through several screens before finding the shortcut you're looking for, it's hardly a shortcut anymore Jul 26 20:33:20 I do find that with my ipod touch have a tendency to get lost Jul 26 20:33:36 people want more because they want to use it like an iphone Jul 26 20:33:43 silly Jul 26 20:34:02 <_avatar> well, i just posted a preliminary build of the android project i've been working on sporadically for the past few months: http://autom8.clangen.org/ Jul 26 20:34:10 cyanogen, well, when widgets take up a quarter of one of your screens, I can see why you might want another screen Jul 26 20:34:14 <_avatar> i figure it's probably too specialized for anyone to actually use, but meh, someone may find it useful Jul 26 20:34:23 _avatar: nice Jul 26 20:34:30 home automation, awesome Jul 26 20:34:49 KNY: I would dare say that adding more screens is the lazy solution and not the right one Jul 26 20:34:57 (not that I have a better one in mind) Jul 26 20:35:23 romainguy, yeah, but it's sort of a workaround to mask the symptom until the disease is cured Jul 26 20:35:41 yeah, at the expense of becoming more complex and potentially overwhelming Jul 26 20:35:43 anyway, it's not like my 3 are even filled, even with widgets Jul 26 20:36:07 besides, one Home screen will never fulfill everybody's needs so... Jul 26 20:36:11 that's why we let you replace it! Jul 26 20:36:21 nonsense! I demand 2D scrolling! (doesn't one of the others have 9 screens in a grid?) Jul 26 20:36:41 all I know is that I should really write a "Home framework" Jul 26 20:36:51 there are tons of things easy to get wrong when writing a Home screen Jul 26 20:36:59 you said if you had to write Home again, you'd write a framework Jul 26 20:36:59 (I'm not talking about UI, just internals) Jul 26 20:37:03 yeah Jul 26 20:37:41 Donut does bring several improvements to Home's internals Jul 26 20:37:55 is it faster? (I know that's a horribly vague question) Jul 26 20:37:56 it's noticeably faster to update when an app is removed/added/modified Jul 26 20:38:06 I've never noticed that as a problem Jul 26 20:38:43 mainly when it gets kicked out of memory (due to Browser or some other heavy app) and it takes 20-30 seconds to rebuild itself Jul 26 20:38:50 I've never seen that Jul 26 20:38:55 I get it all the time Jul 26 20:39:03 that indicates a very busy device Jul 26 20:39:10 but it's really not Jul 26 20:39:15 you probably have apps and services hogging I/O and/or CPU Jul 26 20:39:34 no, I really don't have that much installed, especially services Jul 26 20:39:50 one badly behaved app would be enough :) Jul 26 20:40:02 right, but I'm pretty careful about what gets installed Jul 26 20:40:05 the problem is that Home's startup is highly I/O bound Jul 26 20:40:09 I know Jul 26 20:40:10 there's not much I can do about this :( Jul 26 20:40:33 anyway, Donut should fix that issue with the new process priorities Jul 26 20:40:34 it always seems to happen when I'm away from my computer, but if I'm plugged in sometime, I'll get a logcat for you Jul 26 20:41:05 yeah, I'm eager to check out the new scheduler Jul 26 20:41:12 cgroups Jul 26 20:41:13 are nice Jul 26 20:41:14 it's nasty for background threads :p Jul 26 20:41:27 but it keeps the UI responsive Jul 26 20:42:12 there's also a nice optimization for apps Jul 26 20:42:22 the framework now does not draw what's behind opaque views \o/ Jul 26 20:42:33 haha, woo Jul 26 20:42:35 <_avatar> awesome. Jul 26 20:43:07 list ListView when it scrolls Jul 26 20:43:38 also, RelativeLayout is not dumb anymore Jul 26 20:43:44 ugh, that reminds me--I'm going to lose my mind trying to get these damn icons to lazy-load into a ListView haha Jul 26 20:43:57 KNY: read shelves source code :p Jul 26 20:44:01 I haven't found RelativeLayout that complicated to use, but I haven't done anything complicated with it :) Jul 26 20:44:03 <_avatar> what was dumb about RelativeLayout? Jul 26 20:44:12 RelativeLayout had several issues Jul 26 20:44:22 first, it required you to declare the dependencies in the right order Jul 26 20:44:40 which is annoying, error-prone and prevents you from having the z-ordering you really want Jul 26 20:44:40 <_avatar> oh. yeah. that kinda sucks. Jul 26 20:44:44 so that's fixed Jul 26 20:44:50 romainguy, hmm, I definitely will. I'm having an issue where it's passing in the same 10 images (before I start scrolling) multiple times, so unless i handle it, my load queue gets to be like 90 items long :) Jul 26 20:44:59 then RelativeLayout was looking at dependencies in the order of their declarations Jul 26 20:45:05 which could cause surprising results Jul 26 20:45:25 like ignored dependencies, fucked up wrap_content results, etc. Jul 26 20:45:31 that's fixed too Jul 26 20:45:41 and finally RelativeLayout was full of bugs Jul 26 20:45:59 (try a wrap_content RL with a horizontally centered child...) Jul 26 20:46:04 that's fixed too Jul 26 20:46:13 <_avatar> i had some bug with RL not properly centering children Jul 26 20:46:17 yep Jul 26 20:46:21 that should be fixed now Jul 26 20:46:22 <_avatar> ah, yeah, what you just said Jul 26 20:46:25 what about ListView inside ScrollView? Jul 26 20:46:30 also RL can now detect circular dependencies Jul 26 20:46:37 and puke on it instead of looping forever Jul 26 20:46:50 and it also checks for self dependencies Jul 26 20:47:05 (that some apps on Market actually use @!#) Jul 26 20:47:13 KNY: you can but if you do I'll hurt you :) Jul 26 20:47:43 <_avatar> wtf, self dependencies? can't imagine why someone would do that. Jul 26 20:47:59 romainguy, I was just thinking about how I could accomplish what I was originally trying to accomplish, and realized that I should be adding the other views as headers/footers :) Jul 26 20:48:04 probably not on purpose but Jul 26 20:48:09 a case of copy/paste gone wrong :) Jul 26 20:48:16 <_avatar> true Jul 26 20:48:35 romainguy, do you guys have a giant suite of apps that get tested against or something? Or do you just assume that normal dogfood testing will uncover most of the issues? Jul 26 20:48:55 dogfooding + automated tests + testing apps on Market Jul 26 20:49:06 <_avatar> btw, romainguy, i don't know if you've had a chance to check it out, but we sent over a new build of our app with flatted listview layouts. hopefully you hate me slightly less now :) Jul 26 20:49:10 \o Jul 26 20:49:13 #3 is how I discovered I could not make RL throw an exception when a self dependency is found Jul 26 20:49:20 romainguy, so do you folks just grab apps from the Market to test? heh Jul 26 20:49:23 _avatar: I saw that and it's awesome :) Jul 26 20:49:34 KNY: why don't want to break too many apps :)) Jul 26 20:49:48 romainguy, yeah, that's what i was getting at with my original question Jul 26 20:50:03 unfortunately there are and there will always be apps that rely on bugs Jul 26 20:50:15 I was wondering if you took a random sample of apps on, say cupcake, and wrote some tests for them to make sure that nothing breaks in donut Jul 26 20:50:19 and we sometimes/often prefer fixing the bug than keeping these apps working Jul 26 20:50:36 romainguy, I don't disagree with you there Jul 26 20:50:47 I'm a bit afraid of managed dialogs in Donut Jul 26 20:50:58 did they get a refactoring? Jul 26 20:51:02 I finally fixed the bug where onPrepareDialog() was not called after rotation Jul 26 20:51:06 I've noticed that they don't always work Jul 26 20:51:12 yay! Jul 26 20:51:14 but some apps rely on that method never being called Jul 26 20:51:23 (Shelves for instance was crashing on Donut because of that) Jul 26 20:52:31 shelves crashing on donuts ? what next chairs crashing on eggs ? Jul 26 20:53:23 what else Jul 26 20:53:24 oh yeah Jul 26 20:53:29 there's the cool new android:onClick attribute Jul 26 20:53:54 did you steal that from Flex? :P Jul 26 20:53:59 http://2006.recon.cx/en/f/vskype-part1.pdf and http://2006.recon.cx/en/f/vskype-part2.pdf Jul 26 20:54:16 KNY: no, I was just being annoyed by having to findViewById().setOnClickListener() :)) Jul 26 20:54:33 romainguy, I completely agree with you. Do you just specify a method or something? Jul 26 20:54:39 yeah Jul 26 20:54:44 onClick="myHandler" Jul 26 20:54:48 woo Jul 26 20:54:52 will call public void myHandler(View v) on your Activity Jul 26 20:54:57 does NOT work for app widgets :)) Jul 26 20:55:10 * KNY gets excited Jul 26 20:55:14 <_avatar> yeah that's awesome Jul 26 20:55:33 it does make XML layouts reuse trickier though Jul 26 20:55:41 so use with caution Jul 26 20:55:52 pretty soon RelativeLayout will be able to prove that P=NP Jul 26 20:56:10 I assume you (the developer) could make an interface that defines the common handlers, no? Jul 26 20:56:10 kRutOn: that was the original goal :) Jul 26 20:56:19 KNY: definitely Jul 26 20:56:24 it's simple reflection Jul 26 20:56:40 romainguy, I don't see it as a huge problem, then Jul 26 20:56:42 so as long as you have a method of the right signature (public, returns void, same name, takes 1 View parameter) you're good Jul 26 20:56:52 and certainly the good outweighs the bad Jul 26 20:56:59 that's why we've added it Jul 26 20:58:29 romainguy, were you suggesting I look at BooksAdapter? Jul 26 20:58:56 cool, I was testing some updates last night and got irritated by having to rename stuff to "update.zip" on my SD card, so I wrote a patch for the recovery image that cyanogen put into his 1.4 version Jul 26 20:59:09 KNY: nope, look at ShelvesActivity Jul 26 20:59:36 KNY: and inside look at SelectionTracker, FingerTracker, ScrollHandler and ShelvesScrollManager Jul 26 20:59:49 * KNY whistles Jul 26 20:59:54 this code performs a few tricks Jul 26 20:59:56 sounds like my afternoon just became booked Jul 26 21:00:04 (no pun intended, I suppose) Jul 26 21:00:10 like postponing some actions during a fling to avoid interfering with the scroll animation Jul 26 21:00:47 I would just not load during a fling because I don't care haha Jul 26 21:00:57 but I'll certainly poke around--thanks Jul 26 21:01:07 well it doesn't load during a fling Jul 26 21:01:17 but you want to load when the user touches the screen to stop the fling Jul 26 21:01:24 true Jul 26 21:01:24 but you don't want to load if the touch was to keep flinging Jul 26 21:01:52 I also need to upload the latest version of the code Jul 26 21:02:34 architectural question: I've noticed that Android development tends to produce a lot of God classes, due to the number of inner classes you need for a lot of stuff--do you consider this to be a problem? Jul 26 21:02:45 what's a God class? Jul 26 21:02:47 ShelvesActivity, for example, is 845 lines long Jul 26 21:02:59 romainguy, a huge class that does everything, essentially. An anti-pattern Jul 26 21:03:04 ah Jul 26 21:03:16 you can easily split the work in several classes Jul 26 21:03:53 but I like inner classes Jul 26 21:04:02 they're definitely convenient Jul 26 21:04:02 they let you use the surrounding class as a namespace Jul 26 21:04:14 if you look at my code you'll see I try to use mostly static inner classes Jul 26 21:04:19 which means they could easily be split apart Jul 26 21:04:54 I also found that there's so much you will do anyway in an activity Jul 26 21:05:04 because after all, it's a phone and the UI is limited Jul 26 21:05:23 also I guess I'm not really impressed by 845 lines of code anymore Jul 26 21:05:24 that doesn't mean that there won't be a lot to do Jul 26 21:05:30 (View.java is about 8,000 these days) Jul 26 21:06:11 yeah, 845 isn't off the charts or anything, but for those of us without vertical monitors it's a lot to scroll through :) Jul 26 21:06:26 use the outline view of your IDE :p Jul 26 21:06:31 and it is Java, which isn't exactly the most terse language ever Jul 26 21:07:05 where I used to work there was a 9,000+ line class with four methods. That is the textbook definition of a God class Jul 26 21:07:13 ahah Jul 26 21:07:20 yeah at least our big classes have tons of methods :) Jul 26 21:07:48 at least when it's got a lot of methods you can split it apart for unit testing Jul 26 21:08:14 oh wait, View.java is 9,000 now Jul 26 21:08:33 :) Jul 26 21:08:42 one of the methods went down as deep as 25 layers of if/else, I believe Jul 26 21:08:49 argh Jul 26 21:09:02 why might I be told that I don't have permission to run sqlite3? Jul 26 21:09:03 sounds like ViewRoot.performTraversals() ^^ Jul 26 21:09:44 KNY: Quite a contrast to, say, the Linux kernel where it starts a riot if you contemplate more than two levels of if/else Jul 26 21:09:49 what IDE do you use for android framework development? You can't use eclipse, right? Jul 26 21:09:53 kRutOn, yeah Jul 26 21:10:03 kRutOn, I consider that to be a Good Thing (tm) Jul 26 21:10:07 * kRutOn . o O ( vi ) Jul 26 21:10:23 KNY: Yeah, as long as they're all using labels and goto.. Jul 26 21:11:11 labels and goto are just the C way to come by without exceptions ;) Jul 26 21:11:31 romainguy, hahah yeah, it looked something like that (ViewRoot.performTraversals) but the start of the if statement would be past the 80-character warning line haha Jul 26 21:12:32 http://pastebin.com/d5ddb4567, anybody? Jul 26 21:12:37 does anyone here use pbxes with sipdroid? Jul 26 21:13:31 KNY: yes you can use Eclipse Jul 26 21:13:34 I use IntelliJ Jul 26 21:13:50 romainguy, oh, I thought you couldn't use Eclipse. Jul 26 21:13:52 * KNY shrugs Jul 26 21:13:54 why not? Jul 26 21:14:38 romainguy, I don't know, I just had that impression for some reason Jul 26 21:14:51 ^^ Jul 26 21:15:02 now I don't see why you'd want to use Eclipse, but you can Jul 26 21:15:07 haha Jul 26 21:15:19 eclipse/intellij is the new emacs/vi Jul 26 21:16:03 oh, right, I cant browse the database on the actual device.... silly me Jul 26 21:16:10 I used to use IntelliJ 4.x at HP, but didn't find it compelling enough to buy a personal license. Jul 26 21:17:05 But I guess they changed their licensing scheme a while ago Jul 26 21:17:57 Hey, IDEA 9 even specifically lists Android as supporte Jul 26 21:18:02 supported* Jul 26 21:19:49 first time I'm depleting my battery, for callibration purposes - it was at 9%, 3666 mV and I hadn't gotten any updates in an hour, I was getting a little worried Jul 26 21:20:06 but now it's 7% Jul 26 21:20:17 but now it's 7% 3637 mV and updating frequently Jul 26 21:21:26 while I haven't looked I'm assuming the battery's max voltage is 3.7 V, and I read I shouldn't let it go beneath 3.0 V Jul 26 21:23:36 I have cyanogenmod on my G1 Jul 26 21:23:44 but im wondering should i setup a swap partition? Jul 26 21:23:50 would their be any advantage Jul 26 21:28:29 anyone has ever had this issue? My phone is not booting any longer, just suddenly... It stucks at the t-mob screen: http://pastebin.com/m20b4387d <- logcat Jul 26 21:29:13 romainguy, don't you have a big shelves database for testing? Jul 26 21:29:43 there's a .txt file in the project Jul 26 21:29:50 that you can use to import a few hundred books Jul 26 21:30:09 ah, excellent. thanks Jul 26 21:34:02 damn :S Jul 26 21:35:54 Phlogi_: that looks serious. do you have an image with recovery mode? then you can try to backup & wipe Jul 26 21:36:23 Ge0rG: yes the recovery mode works.. I already tried to update again, but it didn't help :S Jul 26 21:36:39 Phlogi_: usually its either update or wipe ;) Jul 26 21:36:50 hmm this really sucks :) Jul 26 21:37:21 * Ge0rG used to make a tar.gz of /data and to play it back later on Jul 26 21:39:56 I have some freeze on my Samsung Galaxy with SipDroid 1.0.3 and 1.0.4.. :( Jul 26 21:40:36 curtn, file a bug with sipdroid Jul 26 21:41:56 KNY: what does mean "file a bug" ? Jul 26 21:42:14 tell them that it's broken Jul 26 21:42:26 and suddenly i know why no one ever sends me bug reports Jul 26 21:42:51 zinx, ahaha Jul 26 21:43:03 KNY: I'm not sure I have the correct level to do this.. and Samsung Galaxy is maybe "new".. Jul 26 21:43:34 level? Jul 26 21:43:40 curtn, http://code.google.com/p/sipdroid/issues/list Jul 26 21:43:42 have fun Jul 26 21:43:43 zinx: technical knowledge Jul 26 21:43:56 eclipse and a bottle of scotch Jul 26 21:43:59 something is wrong with me Jul 26 21:44:11 curtn, just tell them that it's freezing on galaxy. If they need more details, they can ask you Jul 26 21:44:41 do someone know how to do a reset on a Sumsung ? (without removing the battery) Jul 26 21:51:45 how do I refresh my library in Music? I downloaded some songs from my computer via ftp, but they aren't appearing in Artist/Album/Song views Jul 26 21:54:00 Mortal_, unmount/remount the SD card Jul 26 21:54:06 ok, thanks KNY Jul 26 21:56:31 is there a way to sort the bookmarks in the browser? Jul 26 22:00:03 ouch. they are sorted by time of creation. Jul 26 22:05:11 sqlite> update bookmarks set created=1248645640000 where _id=15; Jul 26 22:06:03 wow there are quite a few hero roms Jul 26 22:10:11 does anyone here use android-wifi-tether? i can see the AP, i can associate w/it, but it doesnt lease me an IP, ive watched w/tcpdump and i get nothing Jul 26 22:10:31 presumably it /does/ act as a dhcp server also right? Jul 26 22:12:59 anyone ever seen this before http://pastebin.com/m7ea70dac Jul 26 22:13:20 infinite loop, and the vm never starts Jul 26 22:13:33 jduggan, are you using ad-hoc mode? Jul 26 22:14:20 languish: yep Jul 26 22:14:26 Just found out about android scripting environment... So would I be able to write a full-blown app in python using ASE? Jul 26 22:17:35 Kinnoken: you around? Jul 26 22:22:40 aww Jul 26 22:22:47 ho yo jasta Jul 26 22:22:48 er Jul 26 22:22:51 jsharkey :) Jul 26 22:22:52 warning: 'class ...' only defines private constructors and has no friends Jul 26 22:22:59 its a lonely class :( Jul 26 22:23:02 he has no friends Jul 26 22:30:01 omg Jul 26 22:30:07 android-unleashed SUCKS Jul 26 22:30:13 it's like wordpress on adsense steroids Jul 26 22:33:27 Is there a URL prefix for dialing a number in android? Jul 26 22:33:27 Like callto://1-800-555-5555? Jul 26 22:36:43 yooo Jul 26 22:38:12 ivantis, it's standard tel: notation Jul 26 22:39:38 KNY, cool. Is geo: for maps search? Jul 26 22:40:19 ivantis, this is all on d.android.com :) Jul 26 22:41:52 Oh I see it Jul 26 22:42:18 Do you know if there is a way to make a non-system app open for URLs like myaction:... ? Jul 26 22:43:33 ivantis, yes. Look up Jul 26 22:47:10 silly hero postponed here in belgium :x Jul 26 22:47:13 2 more weeks waiting! Jul 26 22:48:26 anyone knowhow to connected to a bluetooth serial thingy? Jul 26 22:48:39 yo aaksah Jul 26 22:48:47 yo Jul 26 22:48:52 u plug it in Jul 26 22:48:57 to the other thingy Jul 26 22:48:59 lol Jul 26 22:49:11 BLUETOOTH Jul 26 22:49:32 find pair connect Jul 26 22:49:34 lol Jul 26 22:49:51 :P Jul 26 22:49:59 have i seen the new recovery Jul 26 22:50:01 u* Jul 26 22:50:02 ? Jul 26 22:50:03 tmzt ? Jul 26 22:50:22 no? Jul 26 22:50:38 u can flash any update.zip and restore nandroids Jul 26 22:50:39 haitiankid4lyfG1: whats to special about it Jul 26 22:50:47 thats so special about it Jul 26 22:50:48 oh Jul 26 22:51:02 im on adp1 htc's images Jul 26 22:51:08 and it has a new background Jul 26 22:51:16 u can still use the recovery Jul 26 22:51:26 one that doesnt give youa seizure? lol Jul 26 22:51:36 lol Jul 26 22:51:42 yeah Jul 26 22:51:45 damn it!!! Jul 26 22:51:51 anyone know if Cyanogen rogers rom should work on my HTC Magic if ive done nothing special besides root, flash recovery and update SPL ? Jul 26 22:52:02 using edge eats up battery like crazy Jul 26 22:52:03 i say yes Jul 26 22:52:06 im out Jul 26 22:52:13 :( Jul 26 22:52:27 not if the phone is in stand by Jul 26 22:53:02 and it gets hot Jul 26 22:53:12 * AakashPatel|Away cooks an egg onhis phone Jul 26 22:53:24 okay im out Jul 26 22:53:38 there seems to be a lot of stuff in the forums regarding apps2sd and cyanogen rom Jul 26 22:53:41 is there some sort of issue? Jul 26 22:53:52 or do I have to partition my sdcard or something before flashing cyanogen rom ? Jul 26 22:54:10 partition 1st jpa-- Jul 26 22:54:11 wtf.. too many forums with too many threads make this way too confusing for a pothead Jul 26 22:54:25 is it necessity? Jul 26 22:54:31 i only use winxp Jul 26 22:54:35 if u want apps2sd yes Jul 26 22:54:43 download live cd or use paragon Jul 26 22:54:56 i have a bit of a complex situation Jul 26 22:55:02 my only source of internet is tethering Jul 26 22:55:22 my phone doesn't support iptables/netfiler, so i have tethered using Azilink instructions, which is just sketchy OPenVPN USB tethering Jul 26 22:55:38 but won't work in ubuntu, and i need internet while i boot into ubuntu in order to do any updates, or download drivers for my phone Jul 26 22:55:55 overall, im not concerned with apps2sd Jul 26 22:56:00 i just wanna make sure the rom will work Jul 26 22:56:04 regardless of apps2sd Jul 26 22:56:09 yes it will work Jul 26 22:56:09 ill use MyBackupPro instead Jul 26 22:56:10 app2sd requires the sacrifice of 3 virgins Jul 26 22:56:18 lol Jul 26 22:56:33 hola cyanogen Jul 26 22:56:48 just want to say great job Jul 26 22:56:56 im poor so thats all i can do Jul 26 22:56:58 thanks! Jul 26 22:57:18 cyanogen: do you know if CyanogenMod[v3.6.8]-Rogers-signed.zip is confirmed to work on Rogers HTC Magic ? Jul 26 22:57:36 no idea Jul 26 22:57:47 try it and report back here Jul 26 22:57:49 i don't have a magic Jul 26 22:57:54 then we'll all know Jul 26 22:57:56 make a backup and try it Jul 26 22:58:02 if i try it and it doesn't work, ill have no means of reporting back here for atleast a few days Jul 26 22:58:04 if it blows up, you can always restore Jul 26 22:58:18 i have no sdreader, and without one, id have no way to change roms & flash from a new update.zip Jul 26 22:58:36 ..? Jul 26 22:58:40 use nandroid from recovery Jul 26 22:58:41 nandroid restores blown up phones? ;) Jul 26 22:58:49 ya true Jul 26 22:58:56 if you have my recovery on there you can restore too Jul 26 22:58:56 console jpa-- Jul 26 22:58:58 never tried that before tbh Jul 26 22:59:05 it rules :) Jul 26 22:59:14 it's really hard to brick these phones Jul 26 22:59:14 haitiankid4lyfG1: ive tried doing something like "adb push update.zip /sdcard/update.zip" Jul 26 22:59:17 got 1.4 today Jul 26 22:59:22 and it didn't work Jul 26 22:59:23 you have to be messing with the bootloader or radio Jul 26 22:59:49 i know Jul 26 22:59:50 jpa, get the new recovery cyanogen released then you can install from zip nd not update.zip. aka you can have whateverfilenameis.zip and push it to the phone Jul 26 22:59:54 jpa just boot into recovery Jul 26 23:00:03 and rename the file Jul 26 23:00:12 i think amon_ra is making recovery images for the magic Jul 26 23:00:14 i dunno if that'll work for my phone Jul 26 23:00:18 i doubt mine will boot Jul 26 23:00:21 im still using recovery-RAv1.1.1H.img Jul 26 23:00:23 ex 1. update.zip 2. update_old.zip Jul 26 23:00:23 can you intall android on any cellphone devices that have enough power? Jul 26 23:01:06 haitiankid4lyfG1: oh so I can have multiple roms on my sdcard at any given time that i can flash at anytime? Jul 26 23:01:10 like no need to swap roms anymore? Jul 26 23:01:15 just flash from sdcard on the go ? Jul 26 23:01:36 yes jpa-- Jul 26 23:01:43 download new recovery 1st tho Jul 26 23:01:50 can you link me? Jul 26 23:01:56 1sec Jul 26 23:01:57 does the new recovery work on magics? Jul 26 23:02:05 good question Jul 26 23:02:06 and good point Jul 26 23:02:07 not likely Jul 26 23:02:14 ahhh Jul 26 23:02:16 a lot of stuff for dream/g1 doesn't work for magic Jul 26 23:02:26 boot images have to be packed differently for the magic Jul 26 23:02:27 ill read the thread in any case Jul 26 23:02:32 jpa ebay that magic and buy a magic Jul 26 23:02:39 haha Jul 26 23:02:39 and the pvt 32A's can't boot custom kernels.. Jul 26 23:02:39 errr dream Jul 26 23:03:00 cyanogen: does that mean i probably won't be able to use your rom? Jul 26 23:03:05 with netfiler support? Jul 26 23:03:16 someone ported it for magic Jul 26 23:03:16 tinyurl.com/klu6j5 Jul 26 23:03:21 but i only work with dream Jul 26 23:03:25 ahh i see Jul 26 23:03:26 for now anyway Jul 26 23:03:29 Good night, world! Jul 26 23:03:51 jpa have you tried any of the roms on xda under the magic section? Jul 26 23:04:26 Wickednix: yeah ive tried nk02 Ion, Rogers HoFo, Fatal1tys Hero, and theDudes rogers rom Jul 26 23:04:37 tethering doesnt work with any of them Jul 26 23:05:03 have u tried getting a dream ;) Jul 26 23:05:54 i had one at first but exchanged it for the magic Jul 26 23:06:03 too bulky for my pocket Jul 26 23:06:14 dont u think that was a bad idea now Jul 26 23:06:18 :P Jul 26 23:06:28 not really.. i just know that development is behind for the magic right now Jul 26 23:06:32 since it's not even out in the US yet Jul 26 23:06:46 once people start playing with it on tmobile, people will quickly port that work to the rogers version Jul 26 23:06:52 since they'll be different boards Jul 26 23:06:56 but im hopeful Jul 26 23:06:56 u added sexiness and better camera, and lost tether and keyboard Jul 26 23:07:01 ummm, magic came out 2 weeks ago in the us Jul 26 23:07:07 i don't care for the keyboard Jul 26 23:07:21 and i was sure i was going to break the hinge unless i treaded it like a crystal ball Jul 26 23:07:29 Wickednix: oh Jul 26 23:07:29 Wickednix: er, thoughtthat waspreorder Jul 26 23:07:36 well they've been out for almsot 2 months in The Canada Jul 26 23:07:38 its on the tmo site? Jul 26 23:08:09 pre-order started a few weeks ago i know that Jul 26 23:08:10 i think it's with new contracts only Jul 26 23:08:14 i treat mine in between a nextel and a motorola and it works fine for me Jul 26 23:08:14 i heard they ship at the end of the month Jul 26 23:08:21 my wife tried to get one Jul 26 23:08:35 kind of stupid Jul 26 23:08:40 i know a few people in phoenix who preordered earlier this month and said they'd be shipped at the end of the month Jul 26 23:08:51 yeah its new orders and still says coming soon. my bad Jul 26 23:08:59 july 28th it looks like Jul 26 23:09:02 u want bulky get an athena Jul 26 23:09:03 so next week Jul 26 23:09:14 this feels like a pencil compared to that Jul 26 23:09:18 no i already had a dream, i know what my preference is Jul 26 23:09:23 it was too big for my pocket Jul 26 23:09:37 i dont like huge buldges in my pocket Jul 26 23:10:01 hey guys, i'm switching between builds, do I have to format my sdcard or is a simple "delete everything but update.zip" sufficient? Jul 26 23:10:16 im not saying its nt bulky im just saying its small by comparison Jul 26 23:10:23 i hear you Jul 26 23:10:28 i really like my magic Jul 26 23:10:36 just wish everything for the dream was already ported :P Jul 26 23:10:40 so far ive had fun though Jul 26 23:10:46 just waiting for more since i'm nowhere near a dev Jul 26 23:10:47 i'm switching from jf1.51 to cyanogen 3.6.8.1 Jul 26 23:11:15 u shuld just clear ext2 partition Mercidia Jul 26 23:11:43 you dont need to format Jul 26 23:12:09 a simple rm -r * will do Jul 26 23:12:09 wait... the ext2 partition on my phone or on my sd card? Jul 26 23:12:32 inside sd/app and sd/data Jul 26 23:13:13 well if i delete it from windows it should do the same right? Jul 26 23:13:29 and then i put update.zip? Jul 26 23:14:00 do u have adb? Jul 26 23:14:13 u cant access ext partition from windows Jul 26 23:14:45 i just made the sd ext partition, I didn't have apps2sd Jul 26 23:14:58 oh ok Jul 26 23:15:10 then u dont have to do anything with the sdcard Jul 26 23:15:35 what build are u going to Jul 26 23:15:47 cyanogen 3.6.8.1 Jul 26 23:17:18 yeah all u have to do is load the rom Jul 26 23:17:27 no format of sdcard needed Jul 26 23:17:57 still, I want to clean it up... the only file I need to have on my sdcard is update.zip? Jul 26 23:18:22 yes Jul 26 23:18:34 ok, thanks a lot! Jul 26 23:19:36 what is default webbrowser for android Jul 26 23:19:37 no problem Jul 26 23:21:10 Hi all Jul 26 23:21:30 is it possible to buy android apps on a desktop and have the phone receive the app? Jul 26 23:21:46 no Jul 26 23:21:48 i don't want to give credit card details for google to keep, just a one time use for a pretty essential app Jul 26 23:21:50 not at the moment Jul 26 23:22:01 can we buy directly from devs? Jul 26 23:22:20 why would you want to? Jul 26 23:22:31 We eat therefor we hunt. Good day all Jul 26 23:22:36 How does the buying process work then? Jul 26 23:22:44 i don't want to give google too much info about myself Jul 26 23:23:11 Ace2027_-: you already gave google all the info bye using android Jul 26 23:23:22 google checkout Jul 26 23:23:27 twois10: how so? Jul 26 23:23:30 its kind of like paypal Jul 26 23:23:34 lol Jul 26 23:23:41 haitiankid4lyfG1: but that requires handing over credit card details Jul 26 23:23:42 i rather give google my info then devs Jul 26 23:23:57 paypal to devs directly? Jul 26 23:23:58 dud haitiankid4lyfG1 Jul 26 23:24:10 i mean duh Jul 26 23:24:21 so duh to me for spelling it wrong Jul 26 23:24:37 yes Ace2027 afaik Jul 26 23:24:41 oh Jul 26 23:24:59 if you buy through google do you get updates? Jul 26 23:25:11 google has no reason to try and steal ur info Jul 26 23:25:16 do you pay for a version or do you pay for the life of your app? Jul 26 23:25:22 devs on the other hand, not all but some Jul 26 23:25:57 also google checkout gives you 24 hours 2 try out before the charge gets applied Jul 26 23:26:11 Ace2027_-: google won'T know about your other credit card transactions, it will only know about the credit card transactions you made while using google checkout ;) Jul 26 23:26:16 u pay once Jul 26 23:26:22 updates are free Jul 26 23:26:29 if you get updates Jul 26 23:26:40 what if the app gets removed from the store? Jul 26 23:26:53 is there an alternative to the gmote app? i like it, but i dont want buky java on my laptop Jul 26 23:26:56 refunds for defective apps? Jul 26 23:26:59 bulky* Jul 26 23:27:11 your app won't disappear :P it could, but I don't think google is going to do this Jul 26 23:27:12 * Ace2027_- hates java with a passion Jul 26 23:27:20 thank you ace! Jul 26 23:27:23 u can set up google checkout from ur pc Jul 26 23:27:29 rgrasell: remotedroid, though i never used it Jul 26 23:27:41 u just get updates Jul 26 23:27:44 ok thanks ill check it our Jul 26 23:27:56 and if you purchase an app its tied to you google account Jul 26 23:28:06 Ace2027_-: you get refunds within 24 hours Jul 26 23:28:14 Mercidia: do you know any that support the music player control Jul 26 23:28:14 so u dont have to re buy if u wipe or accidently delete it Jul 26 23:28:34 well, you could use one exclusive for VLC for example, VLC Remote Jul 26 23:28:34 can't developers pull apps at any time? Jul 26 23:28:47 they can pull them from the store, not from your phone Jul 26 23:29:14 Mercidia: how does that interface with vlc? vlc doesnt start any network servers by default Jul 26 23:29:20 rgrasell: there is a couple of other ones, for other media clients, though i don't know them Jul 26 23:29:32 but if its not on my phone and i change to another phone it'll be gone right? Jul 26 23:29:36 rgrasell: you just have to enable http remote with vlc Jul 26 23:29:44 Mercidia: ok thanks!!! Jul 26 23:29:55 no prob Jul 26 23:30:02 Ace2027_-: not sure what u mean Jul 26 23:30:13 yes Ace2027_- but its still on your phone Jul 26 23:30:40 Mercidia: there are two on the market. Do you have a recommendation between VLCmote and VLC remote? Ill probably just try both of them anyway :P Jul 26 23:30:51 VLC Remote by far ;) Jul 26 23:30:55 if i buy something, and install it to my current phone, but i later upgrade, but the app was pulled from the store, can i still download it to the phone? Jul 26 23:31:16 i like gmote Jul 26 23:31:16 Mercidia: cool thanks :) Jul 26 23:31:33 haitiankid4lyfG1: i do too, but i really dislike desktop java Jul 26 23:31:47 never used gmote, is it really heavy? i kinda dislike java too Jul 26 23:31:52 no Ace2027_- unless u back it up Jul 26 23:32:11 wait, how can i back up a purchased app? Jul 26 23:32:20 won't people use that mechanism to pirate apps? Jul 26 23:32:21 hacking it i guess :P Jul 26 23:32:32 there are already those mechanisms Jul 26 23:32:49 oh i forgot about purchased Jul 26 23:33:04 guess you lose that money Jul 26 23:33:22 man, booting into cm upon first boot is long! >_< Jul 26 23:33:26 dev usualy dont pull paid apps Jul 26 23:33:47 they pull free apps to make them paid :P Jul 26 23:33:50 yes dont worry it so worth it Jul 26 23:34:22 wow im experiencing some major lag Jul 26 23:34:52 Mercidia: the app itself is pretty small. but it depends on java... Jul 26 23:35:21 yeah particularly any java user interface seems to be heavy on ressources Jul 26 23:35:27 it depends on a desktop program that is mostly java Jul 26 23:35:36 but its not to bulky either Jul 26 23:35:51 its basically a small server that connects to the app Jul 26 23:36:09 i like how you can stream to you phone also Jul 26 23:36:12 haitiankid4lyfG1: yea. its a nice app! i just wish it wasnt java Jul 26 23:36:12 it's been more than 5 minutes and my phone is still showing "android". should I worry? Jul 26 23:36:23 Mercidia: are you rooting? Jul 26 23:36:36 no jus wait Jul 26 23:36:41 you a perl man? Jul 26 23:36:55 i just put a custom build, cyanogen 3.6.8.1 Jul 26 23:36:57 just wait Jul 26 23:37:02 thx Jul 26 23:37:17 Mercidia: whats so good about cyannogen? Jul 26 23:37:20 first boot is longer than usual Jul 26 23:37:31 did the home,back send menu power buttons light up yet? Jul 26 23:37:34 rgrasell: compared to other builds or compared to stock phone? Jul 26 23:37:47 speed and features rgrasell Jul 26 23:38:04 Mercidia: compared to JF mostly :P Jul 26 23:38:07 well the phone goes into sleep and I can wake it up, and yeah the buttons light up when i do Jul 26 23:38:21 i run JF Jul 26 23:38:22 yeah so its loading Jul 26 23:38:27 rgrasell: i've heard that speed, stability, and features arebetter Jul 26 23:38:38 i'm moving from jf Jul 26 23:38:46 : what features are differnet? Jul 26 23:38:54 tired of the "wait/force close" pop-up Jul 26 23:38:54 its faster, comes with app2sd standard, Jul 26 23:39:00 many other features Jul 26 23:39:10 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537204 Jul 26 23:39:30 comes with some extra apps Jul 26 23:39:33 Does cyanogen have a root control app like JF>? Jul 26 23:39:36 modified kernel Jul 26 23:39:49 yes Jul 26 23:39:54 superuser Jul 26 23:40:07 almost ALL builds come with it Jul 26 23:40:07 cool is an app liek in JF? Jul 26 23:40:17 yeah Jul 26 23:40:24 its the same thibg Jul 26 23:40:27 thing Jul 26 23:40:29 haitiankid4lyfG1: i just rooted yesterday to JF, im not too knwledgable :P Jul 26 23:40:39 oh ok Jul 26 23:40:55 have u been to xda? Jul 26 23:41:18 haitiankid4lyfG1: thats where i got most of the files and tutorial Jul 26 23:41:31 hello Jul 26 23:41:34 haitiankid4lyfG1: do you reccomend any specifi build of android? Jul 26 23:41:40 yeah theres alot of info on all the builds there Jul 26 23:41:44 i have and issue Jul 26 23:41:59 i recommend cyanogen's latest stable version Jul 26 23:42:25 haitiankid4lyfG1: will i have to wipe all my data to isntall it? Jul 26 23:42:39 if so its not worth it :P Jul 26 23:43:14 download back up for root users Jul 26 23:43:28 how much data can u have Jul 26 23:43:39 does that app do back up and restore? and what does it backup? Jul 26 23:43:49 u can backup browser bookmarks, sms, Jul 26 23:43:55 haitiankid4lyfG1: well i dont wanna re-download apps and configure my home screen Jul 26 23:43:57 even home screen shortcuts Jul 26 23:44:05 haitiankid4lyfG1: oooo cool Jul 26 23:44:10 im gonna go download it Jul 26 23:44:18 its easy to restore apps Jul 26 23:44:39 haha i should be a rom salesman Jul 26 23:44:51 haitiankid4lyfG1: lol you're good Jul 26 23:45:13 haitiankid4lyfG1: i didnt have to wipe my phone to install upgrades from tmobile. Why do i have to for custom builds? Jul 26 23:45:33 different certs Jul 26 23:45:35 @haitiankid have you tried any of the Hero roms? Jul 26 23:45:36 hold on brb Jul 26 23:45:58 haitiankid4lyfG1: if i have the modded bootloaders why should certs matter? Jul 26 23:46:16 nah certs for the apps Jul 26 23:46:17 haitiankid4lyfG1: you can actually auto reinstall app from one build to another? Jul 26 23:46:30 dont match the certs they looking for Jul 26 23:46:42 haitiankid4lyfG1: individual apps check?! Jul 26 23:46:47 but i think cyan made a script to fix that Jul 26 23:46:59 yes they check after u do an flash Jul 26 23:47:05 thats why it takes so long Jul 26 23:47:15 after u flash Jul 26 23:47:23 ohhhh nice Jul 26 23:47:33 weird... why do apps check? shoudnt it be the bootloader or something? Jul 26 23:47:40 it booted Mercidia Jul 26 23:47:42 so they're all getting checked and moved to sd i guess? Jul 26 23:48:01 no it didnt boot yet, i was saying nice about the auto convert apps Jul 26 23:48:07 well its the system that checks Jul 26 23:48:20 bu every part of my system is now modded Jul 26 23:48:21 the system checks if the certs in the apps match something Jul 26 23:48:28 i dont know much about this Jul 26 23:48:38 haitiankid4lyfG1: ok. thanks for helping though :) Jul 26 23:48:54 god its long though.... it been almost 20 mins now Jul 26 23:49:08 did you have many apps Mercidia? Jul 26 23:49:18 did you have many apps mercidia? Jul 26 23:49:31 ummmm well i had my tiny g1 memory full :P Jul 26 23:49:32 why did that come out twice? Jul 26 23:49:33 haitiankid4lyfG1: so if i install cyanogen's, do i wipe my phone first? Jul 26 23:49:54 yes Jul 26 23:50:04 but backup your stuff 1st Jul 26 23:50:12 haitiankid4lyfG1: backup for root users? Jul 26 23:50:17 yes Jul 26 23:50:32 so i had about 75 megs of apps, Jul 26 23:50:36 i have 2 t-mobile g1 without warranty, and i try to install the lastest spl from Haykuro's and it get stuck in the g1 screen and i can't get to the recovery screen and can't get to the fastboot screen Jul 26 23:50:41 Mercidia do u know how to use adb? Jul 26 23:50:44 haitiankid4lyfG1: so in back for root should i just hit all? Jul 26 23:50:46 what can i do to fix it Jul 26 23:50:47 k so im gonna try cyanogenrom on HTC Magic now Jul 26 23:50:48 hrmm Jul 26 23:50:54 haitiankid4lyfG1: sorry i just wanna be careful :P Jul 26 23:50:56 yes Jul 26 23:51:00 o Jul 26 23:51:01 ok Jul 26 23:51:04 how long should that take? Jul 26 23:51:05 nope haitiankid4lyfG1 Jul 26 23:51:28 i have 2 t-mobile g1 without warranty, and i try to install the lastest spl from Haykuro's and it get stuck in the g1 screen and i can't get to the recovery screen and can't get to the fastboot screen Jul 26 23:51:33 depends on how many apps and stuff u have rgrasell Jul 26 23:51:51 i keep getting "permission denied" errors when trying to install cyanogen recovery 1.4. Any ideas? Jul 26 23:51:58 su Jul 26 23:52:02 i have 2 t-mobile g1 without warranty, and i try to install the lastest spl from Haykuro's and it get stuck in the g1 screen and i can't get to the recovery screen and can't get to the fastboot screen Jul 26 23:52:03 type su Atom_ Jul 26 23:52:11 i did Jul 26 23:52:16 haitiankid4lyfG1: ok. wow that was fast :P Jul 26 23:52:17 code47 you are bricked :( Jul 26 23:52:33 did you have the superuser screen ? Jul 26 23:52:46 atom where are u installing it from? Jul 26 23:52:59 terminal adb? Jul 26 23:53:03 fastboot? Jul 26 23:53:21 terminal Jul 26 23:53:45 what did u type? Jul 26 23:54:13 i have no problem saying im a noob, but i can usually troubleshoot through Jul 26 23:54:17 one sec Jul 26 23:54:32 su flash_image recovery /sdcard/cm-recovery-1.4.img Jul 26 23:54:39 " Jul 26 23:54:43 is there anything special i need to do like format sd to ext3, or something like that for Cyanogen rom to work? or should it just work if Im rooted and updated SPL Jul 26 23:54:44 permission denied" Jul 26 23:54:45 1.33.2005 Jul 26 23:55:04 rgrasell navigate to ur sdcard to check if u see stuff there Jul 26 23:55:25 atom dont type su Jul 26 23:55:29 Atom_: try "su" enter, then flash Jul 26 23:55:32 if u have the # sign Jul 26 23:55:54 haitiankid4lyfG1: yup its there. about 20 megs worth. i already pulled it to my laptop. What do you know about dudeoflife's roms? Jul 26 23:55:54 no jpa-- Jul 26 23:56:09 not much rgrasell Jul 26 23:56:14 well....i just tried "su" and got a force clse Jul 26 23:56:25 ok... Jul 26 23:56:26 haitiankid4lyfG1: i read somewhere its faster, and it has the hero interface Jul 26 23:56:32 i've been meaning to try it never got the chance Jul 26 23:56:44 haitiankid4lyfG1: why did you ask me about adb? Jul 26 23:57:01 jpa--: you may want to consider ap2sd, i resisted for a while until i finally did it did i realize the benefit Jul 26 23:57:09 so u can see what the phone was doing Mercidia Jul 26 23:57:10 haitiankid4lyfG1: well im downlaoding it. I guess ill try it out Jul 26 23:57:18 ok Jul 26 23:57:43 you need to have a sdhc tho Jul 26 23:58:07 haitiankid4lyfG1: it would have been needed to have it installed on the phone right? Jul 26 23:58:31 no its on your desktop Jul 26 23:59:07 well, i'm downloading the sdk... Jul 26 23:59:11 do a nandroid before you apply rgrasell Jul 26 23:59:28 yeah its in there Jul 26 23:59:50 you on xp? Jul 26 23:59:52 haitiankid4lyfG1: i never got how nandroid worked... Jul 27 00:00:01 haitiankid4lyfG1: i did a nandroid backup from the bootloader Jul 27 00:00:19 haitiankid4lyfG1: i dont et how to re-aply it to my phone though Jul 27 00:00:19 recovery Jul 27 00:00:19 i'm on win7 Jul 27 00:00:33 you need fastboot rgrasell Jul 27 00:00:39 ok it should work Jul 27 00:00:43 haitiankid4lyfG1: i have fastboot binary on my laptop Jul 27 00:00:47 i got it working on win7 Jul 27 00:01:13 yeah u copy the fastboot files from ur sdcard 2 ur laptop Jul 27 00:01:15 lets hope... i'm just scared there's something that messed up :( Jul 27 00:01:22 you also need to install drivers Jul 27 00:01:30 theres tutorials on xda Jul 27 00:01:33 haitiankid4lyfG1: im in the bootloader (where you hold home and power on). and I did a alt-b for nandroid backup. Jul 27 00:01:33 So now its on my sdcard? Jul 27 00:01:43 can some one give me a fresh copy of the nandroid? Jul 27 00:01:45 can some one give me a fresh copy of the nandroid? Jul 27 00:01:47 home+power = recovery Jul 27 00:01:59 camera+power = bootloader Jul 27 00:02:25 code47 can you get into bootloader? Jul 27 00:02:41 rgrasell Jul 27 00:02:45 wipe then apply Jul 27 00:03:05 no Jul 27 00:03:05 what is fastboot for? Jul 27 00:03:19 haitiankid4lyfG1: haitiankid4lyfG1: ok it says backup complete. How do i restore it to that backup though Jul 27 00:03:33 * i have fastboot Jul 27 00:03:39 is google planning to create OS for PC too Jul 27 00:03:49 Guest34901: yes, CHrome OS Jul 27 00:03:49 rgrasell you know what adb is? Jul 27 00:03:57 haitiankid4lyfG1: yea ive used it Jul 27 00:04:11 ok that means you got the drivers Jul 27 00:04:17 if you want to restore it Jul 27 00:04:35 ur gonna boot into bootloader(power+camera) Jul 27 00:04:42 then plug ur phone to ur laptop Jul 27 00:04:47 haitiankid4lyfG1: what's fastboot for? Jul 27 00:04:58 b4 u do that you are going to copy the nandroid files to ur laptop Jul 27 00:05:04 haitiankid4lyfG1: i did that already Jul 27 00:05:30 u open fastboot via command prompt Jul 27 00:05:51 something like Jul 27 00:05:56 cd Desktop Jul 27 00:06:01 cd fastboot Jul 27 00:06:13 haitiankid4lyfG1: yea i know my way around the terminal :) Jul 27 00:06:14 AakashPatel|Away: did you try bluez wiki? Jul 27 00:06:17 fastboot flash userdata data.img Jul 27 00:06:23 ok thanks! Jul 27 00:06:42 no i cant get to the bootloader Jul 27 00:06:51 haitiankid4lyfG1: in the nandroid backup theres a lot more files than data.img Jul 27 00:07:01 if you have python installed, try the examples Jul 27 00:07:15 yeah Jul 27 00:07:29 system user boot radio spalsh splash2 md5 Jul 27 00:07:33 haitiankid4lyfG1: but i only need data.img? Jul 27 00:07:45 u only need data, system, boot Jul 27 00:07:52 so i flash al of those? Jul 27 00:08:21 yes Jul 27 00:08:39 so do i run fastboot 3 times, with what command each time? Jul 27 00:08:45 yes Jul 27 00:08:55 fastboot flash userdata data.img Jul 27 00:09:00 haitiankid4lyfG1: but what command each time? Jul 27 00:09:04 flash system system.img Jul 27 00:09:11 boot boot.img Jul 27 00:09:28 fastboot flash Jul 27 00:09:34 so ./fastboot (boot,system,data) (boot,system,data).img Jul 27 00:09:37 once each? Jul 27 00:09:43 just have the fastboot binary in the same folder as the nadroid files Jul 27 00:09:44 yea my bad Jul 27 00:10:06 ok thanks Jul 27 00:10:16 im gonna try the dudes image Jul 27 00:10:19 ur on linux? Jul 27 00:10:45 haitiankid4lyfG1: yea Jul 27 00:11:53 u mite have to sudo ./fastboot flash (userdata,system,boot) (data,system,boot).img Jul 27 00:12:04 ok ill figure it out. Jul 27 00:12:08 im at recovery. alt-w first? Jul 27 00:12:20 then alt-s Jul 27 00:12:40 yes Jul 27 00:12:44 ok im doing it... Jul 27 00:12:58 what language is android coded in Jul 27 00:13:02 so... should i remove the battery? :S Jul 27 00:13:37 spanish Jul 27 00:13:51 yes i think so Mercidia Jul 27 00:13:56 u mite want to wipe Jul 27 00:14:46 well, call+menu+end worked, i'll check what happens now... Jul 27 00:14:58 or is it a hard reset? Jul 27 00:15:11 what language is android coded in Jul 27 00:15:33 Guest34901: java Jul 27 00:15:35 haitiankid4lyfG1: how long should the first boot take? Jul 27 00:15:44 5-10min Jul 27 00:15:59 but what's fastboot for? Jul 27 00:16:01 haitiankid4lyfG1: ok. it says successful install, not im wating tensly >< Jul 27 00:16:04 rgrasell are you sure? java is not a language a OS should be coded in Jul 27 00:16:25 even solaris is not coded in java Jul 27 00:16:26 Guest34901: i agree. but it is. The core kernel is c and c++ (linux), but most everything else is java Jul 27 00:16:38 fastboot is to flash images Jul 27 00:17:01 rgrasell why did you put "(linux)" there? Jul 27 00:17:10 linux is good Jul 27 00:17:12 Guest34901: its the linux kernel Jul 27 00:17:27 android uses linux kernel? lol Jul 27 00:17:51 yes Jul 27 00:17:55 it's a linux phone <3 Jul 27 00:18:00 why can't google make their own kernel Jul 27 00:18:02 thats why i love it :) Jul 27 00:18:04 lots of things use linux Jul 27 00:18:06 like kindles Jul 27 00:18:13 also tivo's garmin gps's Jul 27 00:18:21 motorola razr phones Jul 27 00:18:50 google can't make their own because they use linux already for everything. Jul 27 00:18:55 is chromeOS also linux kernel then? Jul 27 00:18:56 why reinvent the whell Guest34901 Jul 27 00:19:01 yes Jul 27 00:19:06 chromeos is linux kernel Jul 27 00:19:28 haitiankid4lyfG1 because, then might as well just run linux then Jul 27 00:19:45 haitiankid4lyfG1: to try out builds? I'm not sure I get it Jul 27 00:20:00 to restore backups Jul 27 00:20:24 oh ok Jul 27 00:20:59 haitiankid4lyfG1: woo it worked :D and its themed awesomely Jul 27 00:21:15 congrats Jul 27 00:21:15 seriously though, why can't companies create their own kernel from scratch Jul 27 00:21:43 time money Jul 27 00:22:08 wastrel are you going to say winMO and blackberryos is based on linux too? Jul 27 00:22:28 winmo isn't i dunno from blackberry Jul 27 00:22:41 do I need eclipse or a development environment to use adb haitiankid4lyfG1 ? Jul 27 00:22:46 i would guess not they've been around since before linux was popular for embedded Jul 27 00:22:46 how bout linux is it based on linux too :P Jul 27 00:23:01 no u need the sdk Jul 27 00:23:02 brb Jul 27 00:24:52 i just got the sdk, but i don't know how to use it... Jul 27 00:25:56 what is the point of android? if there is already linuxOS for smartphones Jul 27 00:26:00 rgrasell: so you're on cyanogen now? Jul 27 00:26:19 what's the point in windows 7? there is already windows 95 Jul 27 00:27:16 mercidia that logic makes sense linuxOS has stopped updating Jul 27 00:27:34 win95 has stopped updating but linuxos still updates Jul 27 00:28:01 do you know about linux? have you heard of distributions? Jul 27 00:28:53 yes Jul 27 00:28:57 there are many distros Jul 27 00:29:21 well this is another smartphone distro, made by google Jul 27 00:29:32 at last, my phone booted! (after a wipe :S) Jul 27 00:29:52 mercidia then why rest of linux distro is grouped into linuxos Jul 27 00:30:19 nobody groups all the linux distros into linuxOS except the people who dont know about linux Jul 27 00:30:43 mercidia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Market_share_of_mobile_os_s_2008.JPG Jul 27 00:31:18 Mercidia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone ; all other linux distro is grouped Jul 27 00:31:34 whats your point? google are fools for making a smartphone distro? Jul 27 00:31:41 webos is also linux Jul 27 00:31:46 guest34901: you have alot of ?s lol Jul 27 00:32:02 webos isn't open Jul 27 00:32:03 wastrel lol, is it? sorry didn't know that Jul 27 00:32:11 so it'll probably fall back pretty soon behind android Jul 27 00:32:42 explain why that site has grouped all linux distros Jul 27 00:32:54 except 2 Jul 27 00:34:28 android is included in linux operating system Jul 27 00:34:31 go look it up Jul 27 00:34:43 Guest34901: why don't you ask the people who run that site? :x Jul 27 00:35:03 mercidia no it's not; android is listed separate Jul 27 00:35:21 the other mobile phone linux systems aren't sufficiently distinct Jul 27 00:35:32 it is also included in linux operating system Jul 27 00:36:01 mercidia then why is it listed again as separate Jul 27 00:36:14 im back Jul 27 00:36:22 android users are so demanding :) Jul 27 00:36:43 i made a soggy donut build and a new recovery image, now i'm gonna get drunk! Jul 27 00:36:53 why are you guys still worked up about this Jul 27 00:37:37 * Wickednix demands that cyanogen goes get drunk Jul 27 00:38:05 Good day! Jul 27 00:38:30 good night! Jul 27 00:38:34 ummm should I be worried? I wiped my phone, and then installed update.zip, and now I have my apps Jul 27 00:39:09 Mercidia: do you not want your apps? Jul 27 00:40:12 that's not the point... I was booting first time into cm, it didn't load, so I wiped my phone and reinstalled cm, and then it booted with my apps Jul 27 00:40:17 isnt that weird? Jul 27 00:41:03 is it weird for stuff to work as designed? Jul 27 00:41:21 when I wiped my phone, shouldnt have wiped my apps? Jul 27 00:41:29 shouldnt it* Jul 27 00:41:58 that depends on how you have your phone set up Jul 27 00:42:15 plus i've heard tales of the market app reinstalling apps :/ Jul 27 00:42:50 anyway, I guess it's okay, probably that while it didn't load, it transferred my apps to my sd card... anyway Jul 27 00:43:06 freak i can't seem to get this fixed, i keep getting not found for every command in shell such as "ls: not found" Jul 27 00:43:29 echo $PATH seems to be alright just cant get anything to work Jul 27 00:44:00 any suggestions? Jul 27 00:49:25 are there any apps out to sync google bookmarks to the android browser bookmarks yet? Jul 27 00:53:36 what is best irc client for android Jul 27 00:53:49 Guest34901: www.androidirc.net Jul 27 00:54:00 best free one by far, if you wanna spend $5 the Android IRC on market is probably better Jul 27 01:00:20 w00t install cyanogen on HTC magic Jul 27 01:00:23 aaannd tethering still fail Jul 27 01:00:29 but atleast azilink works Jul 27 01:00:45 this is a really noob question but how do you install themes once you've rooted? Jul 27 01:04:27 jpa--: what is azlink ? Jul 27 01:05:23 amason_: tethering app Jul 27 01:05:43 jpa--: which cm version u got working Jul 27 01:05:43 k Jul 27 01:06:01 k4r1m: not sure waht you mean by that Jul 27 01:06:11 what is secial about haykuro builds? Jul 27 01:06:22 jpa--: like 3.8.1, 3.9,..etc Jul 27 01:06:55 k4r1m: ??? Jul 27 01:07:17 don't worry about it just forget it Jul 27 01:07:28 Mercidia: did u get adb working Jul 27 01:08:15 k4r1m: haha patience my friend... if by "cm" you mean "cyanogenmod" then I'm running 3.6.8 Jul 27 01:09:17 jpa--: yeah lol. im trying to get 3.9 working right now got tired of hero Jul 27 01:09:31 yeah same Jul 27 01:09:38 in terms of hero Jul 27 01:09:41 got too slow Jul 27 01:09:59 well for me slow wasn't one of the big issues i had Jul 27 01:10:04 its just gay. Jul 27 01:10:11 thats as simple as it gets. Jul 27 01:11:01 oh btw if you want the palm pre theme with 3.6.8.1 for 32A i could upload it for you Jul 27 01:11:31 does the palm pre theme use rogos launcher Jul 27 01:11:40 its nic Jul 27 01:11:51 nice but i love rogos launcher Jul 27 01:12:04 hm rogos launcher? never heard of it Jul 27 01:12:11 haitiankid4lyf: no, i removed the battery, wiped, reinstalled, rebooted, and it worked, and now I have all my apps, weirdly enough! Jul 27 01:12:23 k4r1m: i've never used a palm.. do you have screenshots of the theme? Jul 27 01:12:51 jpa--: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=535472 Jul 27 01:13:11 only thing that pissed me off is the dialer Jul 27 01:13:51 oh i dont know if i like that Jul 27 01:14:09 haitiankid4lyf: did u mean rogro*? Jul 27 01:15:10 yeah rogro82 Jul 27 01:15:56 bit.ly/BfgXg k4r1m Jul 27 01:18:00 haitiankid4lyf: yeah i saw it, im just wondering if i can apply the palm pre theme to it or not Jul 27 01:19:10 you should be able to Jul 27 01:19:22 just looks like a souped up launcher.apk Jul 27 01:57:40 how do I install root themes? Jul 27 02:11:50 <_Auron_> wtf?! Jul 27 02:11:57 huh Jul 27 02:12:02 <_Auron_> I got banned from Android-Developers? Jul 27 02:12:09 <_Auron_> WHAT THE HELL? Jul 27 02:12:12 ....what? Jul 27 02:12:22 #android-dev? Jul 27 02:12:32 <_Auron_> no, the google group Jul 27 02:12:33 <_Auron_> Sorry... Jul 27 02:12:33 <_Auron_> The owner of this group has banned you from this group. Jul 27 02:12:42 umm, who owns it Jul 27 02:12:54 (people actually use google groups?0 Jul 27 02:13:03 <_Auron_> http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers <-- I don't know, but WHAT THE FUCK Jul 27 02:13:20 <_Auron_> what in the fucking hell do I did to get banned without warning or notification or anything? Jul 27 02:14:56 i guess they dont like you Jul 27 02:15:07 <_Auron_> all I did was post my issue about my Home screen problem Jul 27 02:15:13 <_Auron_> and I get banned?! Jul 27 02:15:30 maybe you used foul language? :P Jul 27 02:16:15 btw, when i just ghosted tommyb, androidIRC force closed on me ROFL Jul 27 02:16:29 so if you ever kick someone off freenode via ghosting, it just force closes the app Jul 27 02:16:53 <_Auron_> earlier today I ghosted my desktop and it didn't close the app Jul 27 02:17:00 no the other way around i mean Jul 27 02:17:02 <_Auron_> I ghosted twice because my desktop signed back on too quick for me to nickchange Jul 27 02:17:04 i ghosted my phone from the desktop Jul 27 02:17:08 <_Auron_> oh Jul 27 02:17:11 and it force closed the app to say "you got ghosted lolz" Jul 27 02:20:55 <_Auron_> I think I should just delete stroids and move on Jul 27 02:20:57 <_Auron_> this is hopeless Jul 27 02:24:26 _Auron_, worst case scenario, you could just kill the game when you leave, right? :) Jul 27 02:26:37 _Auron_: android-developers is for help w/ developing apps, not tech support Jul 27 02:27:37 _Auron_: that said, i do think a ban after a single message's a bit excessive, but i didn't see the message either Jul 27 02:27:58 how do you get banned from google groups Jul 27 02:28:18 without posting tubgirl or something Jul 27 02:29:08 _Auron_, what did you post? Jul 27 02:30:41 linux cgroups are tricky to tune Jul 27 02:31:16 cynogen is dat pimmmmmmmp Jul 27 02:31:21 i think i got this thing pretty responsive though now Jul 27 02:31:50 <_Auron_> zinx: It was regarding my issue regarding exiting and returning to my opengl app Jul 27 02:32:18 <_Auron_> I can't even look at the group at all now Jul 27 02:32:38 * jbq bangs his head against the wall. repeatedly. on purpose. Jul 27 02:33:13 jbq: are we going to need new proprietary drivers to use donut on the dream or should i keep trying to figure it out? :) Jul 27 02:33:29 _Auron_, was your post at 4:48? Jul 27 02:34:01 <_Auron_> KNY: no Jul 27 02:34:05 http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/cc44d664b133d4e5/4f2918d305481998 Jul 27 02:34:05 ? Jul 27 02:34:11 It might be less dramatic than between 1.0 and 1.5, but I still expect that newer proprietary files would help. Jul 27 02:34:46 it's the sensors.trout.so that doesn't work, and i would assume the ril but i haven't looked at it yet Jul 27 02:35:02 just loading it crashes system_server Jul 27 02:35:09 To be honest I just don't know :( Jul 27 02:35:16 yeah right, he knows Jul 27 02:35:21 beat it out of him, men! Jul 27 02:35:33 * KNY is bored and thinks he finally solved this problem Jul 27 02:35:52 * jbq is bored and therefore works Jul 27 02:36:02 I'd work if I had a job Jul 27 02:36:04 just now learning how to debug native code on android Jul 27 02:36:18 KNY: (ouch) Jul 27 02:36:39 jbq, haha, don't worry--I'm in college so it's not a huge deal haha Jul 27 02:37:19 heh. still, when you're in situation where you'd like to work but don't have a job, it can't be pleasant. Jul 27 02:37:48 jbq, I actually work for the physics department working on some software for them but I can only do 40 hours/week and I usually hit that by mid-week :) Jul 27 02:38:30 <_Auron_> KNY: I posted that several days ago Jul 27 02:38:32 <_Auron_> unrelated Jul 27 02:38:33 lol - with real SW jobs, there's usually no limit. Google doesn't care whether I work 60 or 80 hours a week. Jul 27 02:38:52 <_Auron_> well, somewhat related Jul 27 02:38:53 jbq, yeah, but my school doesn't want to pay me time and a half :) Jul 27 02:39:14 <_Auron_> I have to view in IE because I'm logged into my google account in opera and I'm banned Jul 27 02:39:17 _Auron_, says it was posted on the 26th Jul 27 02:39:30 _Auron_, that's weird. What was the subject of your message? Jul 27 02:39:51 heh. I'm not paid by the hour, so my base pay doesn't change if I bust my ass off (that affects bonuses and raises, though). Jul 27 02:40:05 <_Auron_> KNY: apparently they deleted it because I can't find it Jul 27 02:40:21 _Auron_, it should be in my inbox Jul 27 02:40:35 <_Auron_> ? Jul 27 02:40:42 _Auron_, email delivery? Jul 27 02:40:57 jbq, yeah Jul 27 02:41:10 <_Auron_> I don't remember but I believe it started with OpenGL Jul 27 02:43:07 the only thing that shows up is your one from 4:48am Jul 27 02:43:57 KNY: Solved the problem of boredom? Jul 27 02:44:29 <_Auron_> KNY: Wow. Jul 27 02:44:30 kRutOn, haha, believe me, I have enough projects to work on. Why, do you have a suggestion? Jul 27 02:47:25 _Auron_, if you're giving up on Stroids, I'll take it :) Jul 27 02:48:03 <_Auron_> no Jul 27 02:48:33 wow you work for google...must be nice Jul 27 02:48:38 i make cardboard boxes haha Jul 27 02:49:04 just think.. you could be making cardboard boxes for google. Jul 27 02:49:26 too bad im on the east coast Jul 27 02:49:31 i make some for walmart Jul 27 02:49:58 jbq: is google awesome to work for or do you feel like a "cog in the machine"? just wondering because i've only done development for smaller companies Jul 27 02:50:33 having lots of creative control is great Jul 27 02:50:43 heh. at a mid-sized corporation that i used to work for, developers were considered a commodity Jul 27 02:50:56 used to work for? Jul 27 02:50:59 as far as development is concerned, we work in small groups, and it's great. Jul 27 02:51:01 sounds like vaporware Jul 27 02:51:01 yes. used to work for. lol Jul 27 02:51:04 so anyone running doughnut on a magic ? Jul 27 02:51:07 well, there are only 3 of us at the company i'm at now.. 2 years in i'd call us a startup. Jul 27 02:51:23 that's one of the reasons I don't anymore. that and I was just getting bored there - not being challenged Jul 27 02:51:33 in some cases we very much enjoy the advantages of being a large company (e.g. the shuttle system, having doctors on staff on campus, etc...) Jul 27 02:51:56 But in some cases it's a PITA (e.g. the PR aspects, forward-looking statements, etc...) Jul 27 02:52:36 don't you mean PITA* (*these views are my personal opinion and don't reflect the opinion of google)? Jul 27 02:52:37 :) Jul 27 02:52:55 It's definitely my ass, not Google's. Jul 27 02:53:28 do you make great money working there? Jul 27 02:53:35 don't ask people that Jul 27 02:53:47 well i didnt ask a number Jul 27 02:54:02 The pay is competitive. Jul 27 02:54:35 competitive for silicon valley is probably a good number :) Jul 27 02:54:36 enjoy it :) Jul 27 02:55:11 is it hard to get employed by google? Jul 27 02:55:21 not that i'm trying lol Jul 27 02:55:32 We're very selective, yeah. Jul 27 02:55:46 heh Jul 27 02:55:52 I have a friend working for google Jul 27 02:55:59 jbq, do they still have the 3.5 gpa requirement? Jul 27 02:55:59 he has a Ph.D in computer science Jul 27 02:56:00 sorry i wont hound you with anymore questions lol Jul 27 02:56:40 KNY: to be honest, I don't know. Jul 27 02:56:58 (but I'd guess not, as I probably wouldn't have passed that bar) Jul 27 02:57:05 heh Jul 27 02:58:00 how do you calculate a gpa? Jul 27 02:58:28 b0nn you google "gpa calculator" Jul 27 02:58:41 yes, I did Jul 27 02:58:44 but Jul 27 02:58:50 what % is an A awarded for Jul 27 02:59:02 depends on the school Jul 27 02:59:03 what % is a B+ awarded for Jul 27 02:59:04 \etc Jul 27 02:59:09 kinda see why people like cyanogen rom now Jul 27 02:59:10 sometimes 90+, typically 93+ Jul 27 02:59:16 A is 4, B is 3, C is 2, D is 1, F is 0 Jul 27 02:59:21 works great even on my htc magic Jul 27 02:59:31 right KNY, but the percentage depends on the school Jul 27 02:59:32 though still, unfortunately no netfiler/iptables support for wifi tethering Jul 27 02:59:32 if your school does +/- then they go in the middle somewhere Jul 27 02:59:34 even on the class Jul 27 02:59:41 TommyBres, oh, yeah, sorry **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 27 02:59:57 2009