**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 27 02:59:57 2009
Jul 27 02:59:58 <TommyBres> my anatomy&physiology prof decided 90+ was an A, school policy says 93+ is an A
Jul 27 03:00:01 <KNY> my school is typically 90/80/70/60
Jul 27 03:00:05 <KNY> since we don't do +/-
Jul 27 03:00:28 <TommyBres> oh nice
Jul 27 03:00:42 <b0nn> http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_a_3.5_GPA_around_80_percent
Jul 27 03:00:54 <b0nn> ummm no way...80 is about 2.8 gpa and 3.5 gpa is a 90 percent.
Jul 27 03:01:16 <TommyBres> 80 is a B-, which is a 2.7
Jul 27 03:01:22 <TommyBres> 85 is a B, 3.0
Jul 27 03:02:19 <b0nn> heh, I have a 3.0 GPA going by that
Jul 27 03:02:53 <KNY> b0nn, it depends on the school, AFAIK
Jul 27 03:04:16 <b0nn> here, we need 75% or better average to progress from B.Sc to B.sc(Hons) then the same again to progress to Ph.D
Jul 27 03:09:12 <jpa--> k4r1m: you running Cyanogen rom?
Jul 27 03:11:05 <cyanogen> i heard it sucks
Jul 27 03:11:16 <jpa--> ha
Jul 27 03:11:23 <jpa--> i need to learn to install themes
Jul 27 03:11:40 <jpa--> without using ahome or open homr or one of those silly home replacements
Jul 27 03:16:42 <twois10> cyanogen: when can we expect recovery 1.4a to resolve the minor issue...?
Jul 27 03:17:19 <cyanogen> mtd6ro?
Jul 27 03:17:26 <twois10> yep
Jul 27 03:17:31 <cyanogen> maybe tomorrow, i hope your splash screen survives :P
Jul 27 03:18:27 <cyanogen> might add a new feature too
Jul 27 03:18:54 <cyanogen> toggle ums would be useful
Jul 27 03:19:04 <twois10> I am on 1.3.1 still, I am waiting for the fix before I flash it. I am really looking forward to flash any valid .zip
Jul 27 03:19:23 <cyanogen> kruton wrote that code.. good stuff
Jul 27 03:19:59 <Macer> cyanogen: you are the same one who made the hero rom?
Jul 27 03:20:09 <cyanogen> no i didn't make any hero roms
Jul 27 03:20:17 <cyanogen> i only work with the open source stuff
Jul 27 03:20:17 <Macer> ah k
Jul 27 03:20:41 <cyanogen> but they use some of my stuff under the hood
Jul 27 03:20:55 <Macer> so they named it after you? ;)
Jul 27 03:21:03 <Macer> heh
Jul 27 03:21:09 <twois10> i think they use the kernel
Jul 27 03:21:11 <cyanogen> who named it after me?
Jul 27 03:21:29 <twois10> i think he may be talking about a theme
Jul 27 03:22:46 <Macer> http://android-unleashed.com/tag/g1-roms
Jul 27 03:23:18 <Macer> Cyanogen.s Heavily Optimized Experimental Android G1 ROM v3.4.6
Jul 27 03:23:19 <cyanogen> yeah
Jul 27 03:23:21 <cyanogen> thats mine
Jul 27 03:23:25 <cyanogen> but it's not based on hero
Jul 27 03:23:47 <Macer> ah ok. it's just a normal cupcake ROM?
Jul 27 03:23:59 <cyanogen> its got a couple of HTC things in it, but it's mostly android open source with lots of tweaks in it
Jul 27 03:24:00 <Macer> with optimizations?
Jul 27 03:24:14 <Macer> ah ok. i see. do you have a main site for it?
Jul 27 03:24:24 <Macer> something that doesn't look like adsense came along and raped it?
Jul 27 03:24:25 <cyanogen> just the threads on xda-developers.com
Jul 27 03:24:39 <cyanogen> dream android development
Jul 27 03:24:47 <Macer> can you point me to the one that has install instructions for it ?
Jul 27 03:24:52 <Macer> wanted to add it to my site ;)
Jul 27 03:24:58 <twois10> Though i am currently using physical swap. Am trying to run some compcache test. " insmod ramzswap.ko [disksize_kb=<size>)|memlimit_kb=<limit>] [backing_swap=<backing_swap_path>] " is supposed to be how you set it.
Jul 27 03:24:59 <Macer> http://tech.rancorous.net
Jul 27 03:25:32 <Macer> i've already gotten all of JF's stuff on it
Jul 27 03:25:35 <cyanogen> not sure, but you don't have to do anything special.  just backup and flash.  wipe if you are coming from hero or something else
Jul 27 03:25:52 <Macer> ah ok. you havfe a link to the latest rom?
Jul 27 03:25:58 <twois10> particularly i want to test backing_swap, but it defaults to 15% of physical RAM instead of the memlimit set
Jul 27 03:26:00 <cyanogen> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=539744
Jul 27 03:26:02 <Macer> so just alt+w alt+s ?
Jul 27 03:26:05 <cyanogen> thats the very latest
Jul 27 03:26:12 <cyanogen> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537204\
Jul 27 03:26:18 <cyanogen> is the stable version
Jul 27 03:26:26 <cyanogen> (minus the backslash)
Jul 27 03:26:41 <twois10> i would say 3.9 is stable. i use it
Jul 27 03:26:53 <twois10> not a single issue
Jul 27 03:27:17 <Macer> so nothing special has to be done huh? just a typical wipe and install of an update.zip?
Jul 27 03:27:42 <cyanogen> yeah, make sure you have the latest radio.  no special spl is needed
Jul 27 03:27:59 <Macer> ok. if you don't mind i was going to put your roms on my site
Jul 27 03:28:07 <Macer> you're not going to sue me or anything are you? :)
Jul 27 03:28:08 <cyanogen> go ahead
Jul 27 03:28:13 <cyanogen> post them everywhere
Jul 27 03:28:23 * Macer pictures an lgpl issue somewhere 
Jul 27 03:28:23 <Macer> haha
Jul 27 03:28:29 <Macer> cyanogen: ok thanks
Jul 27 03:28:53 <cyanogen> i have no "claim" on those roms
Jul 27 03:29:19 <twois10> compcache dev needs better wiki
Jul 27 03:29:41 <cyanogen> waiting for them to fix the stats command for 0.6
Jul 27 03:29:51 <cyanogen> it apparently works but reports wrong info
Jul 27 03:29:55 <twois10> the format he puts out there does not work
Jul 27 03:30:06 <twois10> oh
Jul 27 03:31:00 <cyanogen> nitin is very cool though, they are all over the bugs we give them
Jul 27 03:31:51 <Macer> cyanogen: alrighty
Jul 27 03:32:03 <cyanogen> i don't know if we will ever get great results with compcache or any swap on the g1
Jul 27 03:32:06 <Macer> well. i'm downloading them right now and am going to put instructiosn on there
Jul 27 03:32:10 <Macer> what tweaks are in it?
Jul 27 03:32:18 <Macer> anything really special?
Jul 27 03:32:19 <twois10> for example, "insmod ramzswap.ko memlimit_kb=<limit> backing_swap=<backing_swap_path" does not use the limit, instead it uses  15% of physical ram which is only supposed to happen when limit is not set.
Jul 27 03:32:27 <cyanogen> read the first to posts from the xda threads
Jul 27 03:32:31 <cyanogen> two
Jul 27 03:32:36 <Macer> cyanogen: ok
Jul 27 03:33:17 <cyanogen> they run smooth, a few htc apps come with it, minor theme tweaks, lots of small stuff under the hood.  it's a very tweaked cupcake :)
Jul 27 03:33:32 <zinx> oh hey, it's ram doubler for Android
Jul 27 03:33:40 <twois10> cyanogen: yeah, i dont expect great result with compcache/swap on g1, the device was not designed for it
Jul 27 03:33:44 <cyanogen> compcache?
Jul 27 03:33:50 <cyanogen> yeah
Jul 27 03:33:51 <zinx> "ramzswap.ko"
Jul 27 03:34:00 <cyanogen> system bus is too slow
Jul 27 03:34:10 <cyanogen> everything that we think is great on a desktop doesn't apply to android
Jul 27 03:34:26 <cyanogen> i ran the cfq scheduler for awhile in my roms, it sucks on android
Jul 27 03:34:37 <cyanogen> anticipatory runs 100x better
Jul 27 03:34:39 <zinx> tried the deadline one?
Jul 27 03:34:42 <cyanogen> yep
Jul 27 03:34:43 <cyanogen> crappy
Jul 27 03:34:51 <zinx> not too surprising
Jul 27 03:36:03 <cyanogen> yeah, it kind of makes sense
Jul 27 03:38:39 <cyanogen> from what i understand about the dream hardware, the hardware interface is like a virtual os
Jul 27 03:40:03 <cyanogen> <-- not a hardware person
Jul 27 03:41:29 <twois10> I think some people think some folks think compcache will speed up cpu instead of just allowing more apps to reside in memory
Jul 27 03:41:44 <twois10> no, am not drunk
Jul 27 03:42:03 <jbq> I think that I think that you're not drunk.
Jul 27 03:42:17 <twois10> lol
Jul 27 03:43:26 <|Rain|> cyanogen: did you compile a new kernel when you ran donut in the emulator?
Jul 27 03:44:47 <|Rain|> networking worked for me when I used the kernel from 1.5r2, but I built a new kernel and now it doesn't >_<
Jul 27 03:47:15 <jpa--> can someone port cyanogens newest recovery img to htc magic?
Jul 27 03:47:44 <Macer> lol
Jul 27 03:47:53 <Macer> cyanogen: that thread started on the 23rd
Jul 27 03:47:58 <Macer> and already has 50 pages :)
Jul 27 03:47:59 <Macer> haha
Jul 27 03:48:36 <cyanogen> everyone <3's android
Jul 27 03:48:51 <jpa--> yea but not enugh people have htc magic :\
Jul 27 03:48:55 <_Auron_> I have a personal hatred toward it right now.
Jul 27 03:49:13 <_Auron_> Macer: By the way, I apparently got banned from my post.
Jul 27 03:49:17 <_Auron_> Thanks.
Jul 27 03:49:23 <cyanogen> has anyone tried to get a serial console on a 32a magic with a custom kernel yet?
Jul 27 03:49:29 <Macer> huh?
Jul 27 03:49:56 <Macer> banned from what post? :)
Jul 27 03:49:59 <_Auron_> Macer: Er nm, thought you were someone else.
Jul 27 03:50:07 <Macer> lol
Jul 27 03:50:11 <_Auron_> my opengl app issue on android-developers
Jul 27 03:50:34 * Macer goes on a jihad and starts banning on android-developers
Jul 27 03:50:43 <Macer> haha... yah. wrong person ;)
Jul 27 03:51:04 * twois10 gets banned all the time from ##windows (not a big deal though)
Jul 27 03:51:21 <Macer> why would you get banned from android-developers because you are having a problem developing?
Jul 27 03:52:51 <Macer> twois10: i got banned frmo macosx because someone said that it was the greatest OS in the world and i simply asked why considering all it is, is a mach kernel with a shitty wm
Jul 27 03:53:15 <Macer> instead of explaining what features make it "the greatest OS in the world" i was simply banned :)
Jul 27 03:53:28 <Macer> mein furer does not like when people go against the system haha
Jul 27 03:53:52 <Macer> some people think "just because" is a good enough answer
Jul 27 03:53:54 <languish> I'm not an osx fan, but I'd say you were banned for being a contentious ass?
Jul 27 03:54:01 <Macer> lol
Jul 27 03:54:05 <languish> :)
Jul 27 03:54:09 <Macer> i suppose
Jul 27 03:54:13 <Macer> but i wasn't lying ;)
Jul 27 03:54:19 <languish> and yet...
Jul 27 03:54:29 <languish> ok, back to watching whatever I was watching
Jul 27 03:54:30 <twois10> well one, time i got banned suggesting you should not run as admin, and that it will prevent viruses for disable the system, thought it can still mess up the user's home.
Jul 27 03:54:44 <Macer> someone once told me the easiest way to make someone angry is to tell them the truth
Jul 27 03:54:50 <Macer> :)
Jul 27 03:54:58 <twois10> crap i cant type
Jul 27 03:55:16 <Macer> lol
Jul 27 03:55:23 * _Auron_ pokes eclipse
Jul 27 03:55:31 <_Auron_> you're taking too long to install my compilation
Jul 27 03:55:37 <Macer> twois10: wasn't the whole point of that user authorization crap in vista
Jul 27 03:55:38 <_Auron_> I think it froze.
Jul 27 03:55:50 <Macer> so you didn't run "as admin"
Jul 27 03:55:52 <twois10> my last ban was because a user whom i had helped asked why flash is not working with tor, and i ask where the site was www.pronyou.com
Jul 27 03:55:56 <Macer> ? :) i guess it was the win version of sudo
Jul 27 03:56:10 <|Rain|> cyanogen: is that a no?  :P
Jul 27 03:56:19 <Macer> lol
Jul 27 03:56:21 <_Auron_> great, now it can't sync
Jul 27 03:56:46 <Macer> i want to try out this cyanogen build but.. the JF one works so great that i don't want to mess with it ;)
Jul 27 03:56:49 <_Auron_> keeps doing Failed to upload Stroids.apk on device 'HT840LC03638': Unable to open sync connection!
Jul 27 03:57:07 <Macer> does cyanogen's build have like... bt hid support built into the gui? :-D
Jul 27 03:57:09 <twois10> but of course i was joking. all he needed to do was change the settings
Jul 27 03:57:28 <Macer> twois10: tor kind of sucks anyways
Jul 27 03:57:39 <Macer> like anything else with a good concept.. someoen always manages to find a way to mess it up for everybody
Jul 27 03:57:44 <_Auron_> great
Jul 27 03:57:48 <_Auron_> I can't connect to my phone anymore
Jul 27 03:58:10 <_Auron_> I closed eclipse, unplugged my phone, replugged my phone and re-run eclipse. it still won't send.
Jul 27 03:58:18 <twois10> tor is still the best anonymous browsing solution
Jul 27 03:58:26 <Macer> twois10: yeah i suppose
Jul 27 03:58:33 <_Auron_> adb is broken
Jul 27 03:58:34 <Macer> personlaly i like the server side of it more ;)
Jul 27 03:58:44 <Macer> running hidden services was very interesting
Jul 27 03:58:59 <grey-> tpr?
Jul 27 03:59:07 <grey-> err yes you're talking about tor.
Jul 27 03:59:11 <twois10> if you think am exaggerating when i say i got banned for what i just described, i can post the log
Jul 27 03:59:23 <grey-> banned from what?
Jul 27 03:59:54 <twois10> let me paste the log
Jul 27 03:59:56 <Macer> blah. i get banned from #s all the time
Jul 27 04:00:17 <_Auron_> why won't adb sync with my phone?
Jul 27 04:00:17 <Macer> TommyBres banned me from #android-offtopic because i said nyc was filthy and that fascism would work if it had a good leader
Jul 27 04:00:21 <Macer> :)
Jul 27 04:00:27 * Macer stares at the "offtopic" part
Jul 27 04:00:34 <_Auron_> it suddenly stopped working
Jul 27 04:00:36 <Macer> *cough*
Jul 27 04:00:52 <Macer> hahahah anyways. i'm off to work on another wordpress site
Jul 27 04:01:03 <Macer> i figure one more should do it :)
Jul 27 04:01:05 <_Auron_> DAMN IT.
Jul 27 04:03:05 <twois10> here is the log http://pastebin.org/4474
Jul 27 04:03:51 <twois10> start with line 27
Jul 27 04:05:34 <grey-> lame irclog.
Jul 27 04:05:58 <twois10> just use the find function
Jul 27 04:06:09 <twois10> but in anycase, the op was a dick
Jul 27 04:06:41 <twois10> I have been using irc for years, and the only channel i ever get banned from is ##windows
Jul 27 04:08:20 <_Auron_> okay, seriously
Jul 27 04:08:22 <_Auron_> I just rebooted and it still won't sync
Jul 27 04:08:50 <KNY> _Auron_, adb devices doesn't show it?
Jul 27 04:09:18 <_Auron_> restarting the phone right now
Jul 27 04:10:14 <_Auron_> now it's working
Jul 27 04:20:50 <Haraken> anyone have a problem where their phone will only charge to a certain percentage? (60% in my case)
Jul 27 04:21:40 <acoustic> yeah, have you let it keep chargin for a long time?
Jul 27 04:21:48 <Haraken> not sure
Jul 27 04:21:52 <Haraken> seems to be stuck at 60%
Jul 27 04:22:00 <Haraken> just happened today
Jul 27 04:22:09 <acoustic> keep letting it charge, then if it gets to 100%, reboot, that will resync it
Jul 27 04:22:27 <acoustic> happens to me periodically
Jul 27 04:22:32 <Haraken> guess I'll let it charge over night *Shrug*
Jul 27 04:22:40 <Haraken> thanks Ace2027_-
Jul 27 04:22:40 <Haraken> er
Jul 27 04:22:41 <Haraken> acoustic,
Jul 27 04:22:57 <acoustic> just remember, good rule to reboot only when at 100% if your having that problem
Jul 27 04:23:10 <acoustic> some reason it gets outta wack sometimes...
Jul 27 04:23:11 <Haraken> (rebooted once already)
Jul 27 04:23:17 <Haraken> I'll just leave it on charge over night
Jul 27 04:23:22 <Haraken> should be fine in the morning I suppose
Jul 27 04:23:26 <acoustic> right on, hope it works for ya
Jul 27 04:29:29 <Radix_> k4r1m: I had one of those rubberised hard cases for my htc magic - they're not bad, but there was no clips at the bottom on mine which was annoying.  Also once it's put on do not try and take it off unless you don't want it anymore.  I tried taking mine off the day after I got it and one of the clips broke - it became useless after that and haven't used it since.
Jul 27 04:37:58 <poningru> woot on donut
Jul 27 04:38:34 * poningru wonders if htc hero 2pro can has android
Jul 27 04:39:23 <fleebailey33> o.0, new recovery image
Jul 27 04:41:11 <Macer> hm
Jul 27 04:41:18 <Macer> anybody here use silverlight?
Jul 27 04:41:49 <Haraken> acoustic, it's charging properly now
Jul 27 04:44:04 <acoustic> haraken: cool man
Jul 27 04:45:11 <grey-> Macer: rarely. :P
Jul 27 04:45:48 <Macer> grey-: heh
Jul 27 04:57:48 <jpa--> can someone link me to a guide for installing themes on my phone?
Jul 27 04:58:02 <jpa--> rooted htc magic, cyanogen rom w/ SPL 1.33.2005
Jul 27 05:02:49 <jpa--> also - if i install the OTA updates, will i have to re-root and flash everything or what?
Jul 27 05:06:56 <rgrasell> im running thedude's build.  its very snappy, but id like to increase performance if possible.  Would putting a swapfile on my sdcard help?
Jul 27 05:08:32 <benley> writing to the SD card is slow as hell, isn't it?
Jul 27 05:08:55 <rgrasell> benley: is it?
Jul 27 05:09:11 <benley> the one included with the phone sure is slow, I know that much
Jul 27 05:09:34 <rgrasell> so is it the sdcard or is it the phone?
Jul 27 05:10:09 <benley> mostly the sdcard.
Jul 27 05:10:24 <rgrasell> ok.  what if i bought a faster one?
Jul 27 05:10:27 <rgrasell> would that help?
Jul 27 05:10:57 <benley> Probably.
Jul 27 05:11:05 <benley> anything that touches the sd card would benefit :)
Jul 27 05:11:18 <rgrasell> hmm
Jul 27 05:11:34 <rgrasell> those cheap sd cards you find in stores; how good of quality are they?
Jul 27 05:13:26 <acoustic> just make sure its a class 6
Jul 27 05:13:46 <rgrasell> is that te highest?
Jul 27 05:13:51 <rgrasell> best, whatever
Jul 27 05:13:55 <acoustic> currently, yes
Jul 27 05:14:17 <acoustic> that has to do with the r/w speed
Jul 27 05:14:45 <acoustic> i have a class 4 and i run apps2sd just fine for my liking
Jul 27 05:14:54 <rgrasell> got it.  im on the wikipedia article for 'Secure Digital Card'.  Can the G1 take full advantage of a class 6?
Jul 27 05:15:08 <acoustic> anyone else know?
Jul 27 05:15:09 <benley> I don't know if it supports DMA mode.
Jul 27 05:15:26 <acoustic> hmm, me neither
Jul 27 05:15:33 <rgrasell> dma mode?
Jul 27 05:15:55 <_Auron_> direct memory access
Jul 27 05:15:59 <jpa--> uhmm
Jul 27 05:16:03 <jpa--> donut is out?
Jul 27 05:16:09 <jpa--> is that what the OTA updates are?
Jul 27 05:16:36 <rgrasell> jpa--: nope.  donut is basically a super-pre alpha.  it not done being written
Jul 27 05:16:38 <acoustic> no
Jul 27 05:17:02 <jpa--> ahh ok
Jul 27 05:17:26 <acoustic> OTA updates were just a few security patches, etc
Jul 27 05:17:49 <jpa--> will i have to re-root?
Jul 27 05:18:01 <rgrasell> jpa--: if youre rooted, dont get the otas
Jul 27 05:18:14 <jpa--> bah
Jul 27 05:18:28 <acoustic> jf says on his blog that you won't lose root if you accept it cause it won't be able to install
Jul 27 05:18:45 <rgrasell> jpa--: so installing will be a waste of time
Jul 27 05:18:49 <jpa--> ahh okay
Jul 27 05:19:03 <jpa--> so no hope getting OTA updates if im rooted?
Jul 27 05:19:14 <rgrasell> jpa--: yea.  its so annoying how it keeps popping up right :P
Jul 27 05:19:16 <acoustic> jf will release an updated one soon
Jul 27 05:19:21 <acoustic> CRC1
Jul 27 05:19:29 <jpa--> im using cyanogenmod
Jul 27 05:19:54 <rgrasell> jpa--: he updates frequently right?
Jul 27 05:20:10 <jpa--> no idea
Jul 27 05:20:12 <jpa--> i just flashed it today
Jul 27 05:20:29 <rgrasell> jpa--: cool.  i did yesterdya :P
Jul 27 05:21:40 <jpa--> and yes, the update notification is irritating
Jul 27 05:22:02 <rgrasell> jpa--: on jf's blog there are instructions to removing it
Jul 27 05:22:19 <jpa--> ahh i thought that stuff only pertained to his roms
Jul 27 05:22:41 <rgrasell> jpa--: idk, the chmod 000 one seems like it would work.  I'm playing it safe though :P
Jul 27 05:23:26 <jpa--> playing it safe how?
Jul 27 05:23:52 <Wickedg33k> woah
Jul 27 05:23:54 <jpa--> oh JF = JesusFreke?
Jul 27 05:23:59 <rgrasell> not doing it :P  i dont wanna break anything on my nice, working system :P
Jul 27 05:23:59 <Wickedg33k> net split?
Jul 27 05:24:08 <jasta> jpa--: yes.
Jul 27 05:24:15 <jpa--> baahaha all this time i had no clue
Jul 27 05:24:48 <rgrasell> lol :P nice.
Jul 27 05:25:22 <jpa--> anyone know the difference between fataltys hero rom and the superhero rom?
Jul 27 05:26:19 <rgrasell> not doing it :P  i dont wanna break anything on my nice, working system :P
Jul 27 05:26:22 <rgrasell> oops sorry
Jul 27 05:26:25 <JesusFreke> jpa--: rofl :p
Jul 27 05:26:30 <JesusFreke> o/ jasta
Jul 27 05:26:37 <jasta> hola
Jul 27 05:27:23 <rgrasell> JesusFreke: do you plan on incorporating any of the new donut stuff in your builds? or are you just sticking to official releases
Jul 27 05:27:31 <jpa--> JesusFreke: yeah, i had no idea that the rom builds everyone is talking about are the ones you've made
Jul 27 05:27:43 <jpa--> everyone here seems to run either JF 1.51 (i think) or some cyanogen build
Jul 27 05:28:12 <JesusFreke> rgrasell: I'll just stick with the official ones. work on roms isn't really a priority for me atm.
Jul 27 05:28:12 <jpa--> JesusFreke: do you know if one of your builds has been ported to Rogers (HTC Magic) ?
Jul 27 05:28:28 <JesusFreke> jpa--: switch out the kernel and try it :)
Jul 27 05:28:42 <jpa--> err
Jul 27 05:28:43 <jpa--> im afraid to touch the kernel
Jul 27 05:28:46 <jpa--> don't wanna brick my phone
Jul 27 05:28:50 <jpa--> plus i have no clue how to go about doing so
Jul 27 05:28:57 <jpa--> (although im sure doing so would fix my tethering/wifi problem)
Jul 27 05:29:08 <tmzt> doing what?
Jul 27 05:29:20 <Wickedg33k> jpa google is your friend not your enemy
Jul 27 05:29:37 <jpa--> Wickedg33k: you're right, but it's not specific enough
Jul 27 05:29:39 <JesusFreke> jpa--: no, it wouldn't
Jul 27 05:29:51 <jpa--> too many different version of the phone out there.. if i follow the wrong instructions, i don't wanna have problems
Jul 27 05:29:53 <Wickedg33k> jpa needs netfilters enbled in his rom
Jul 27 05:30:00 <rgrasell> jpa--: tethering didnt work in cm for me
Jul 27 05:30:01 <tmzt> only radio, bootloader, and haykuro's spl with carefully reading are likely possibly brick your phone
Jul 27 05:30:06 <rgrasell> jpa--: thats why i use thedudes
Jul 27 05:30:09 <tmzt> kernel can be recovered
Jul 27 05:30:11 <jpa--> rgrasell: it hasn't worked in any rom for me so far
Jul 27 05:30:47 <jpa--> tmzt: well i don't mean "BRICKED" but even if i do something to render my phone unbootable, im at an indefinite inconvenience because i don't have an sdreader yet
Jul 27 05:30:49 <rgrasell> jpa--: really? wow.  it worked in dude and jf for me.
Jul 27 05:30:58 <jpa--> heh
Jul 27 05:31:02 <rgrasell> jpa--: do you wipe before you install new builds?
Jul 27 05:31:06 <jpa--> always
Jul 27 05:31:11 <jpa--> i think those are two i haven't tried yet
Jul 27 05:31:24 <jpa--> i have thedudesrogers rom
Jul 27 05:31:31 <jpa--> haven't flashed yet though heh
Jul 27 05:31:55 <rgrasell> jpa--: well try thedude, his is great.  its really fast and snappy
Jul 27 05:32:09 <rgrasell> jpa--: and Jf feels like the official build, with multitouch browser :D
Jul 27 05:33:43 <jpa--> that'd be sweet too
Jul 27 05:33:59 <jpa--> i think he said i need to update my kernel for his rom to work though
Jul 27 05:34:04 <JesusFreke> and lots of kernel and console goodies :p
Jul 27 05:34:19 <rgrasell> JesusFreke: will you eer have auto-rotate home screen?
Jul 27 05:34:27 <jpa--> dooo iiittt
Jul 27 05:34:40 <jpa--> k well im gonna give thedudes rom a try
Jul 27 05:34:42 <jpa--> bbl
Jul 27 05:34:47 <rgrasell> jpa--: k
Jul 27 05:34:58 <JesusFreke> rgrasell: probably not. I don't personally care about that feature. and I'm not motivated to do rom work to implement it :p
Jul 27 05:35:23 <Wickedg33k> everyone knows jpa is on htc magic. Just wanna make sure we all on the same page
Jul 27 05:35:34 <rgrasell> JesusFreke: lol ok... dang :P  What kind of work has to be done to implement it?
Jul 27 05:36:12 <JesusFreke> grab the source, add support, rebuild it, replace it on the phone
Jul 27 05:36:52 <rgrasell> JesusFreke: well that's all way beyond me :P.  i actually got the android source and built it, but i have no idea how to get it on my phone to mess around...
Jul 27 05:46:58 <Macer> hm
Jul 27 05:47:13 <JesusFreke> I sense much hmmm in you
Jul 27 05:47:33 <Macer> wow. from jpa's experience
Jul 27 05:47:38 <Macer> i'm sure happy i don't have a magic :)
Jul 27 05:47:49 <Macer> lol
Jul 27 05:48:18 <JesusFreke> From what I've picked up, it sounds like the main problem is that no-one can get the source for the kernel that is used
Jul 27 05:48:28 <Macer> ah .. i see
Jul 27 05:48:40 <Macer> is htc just not giving it out?
Jul 27 05:48:53 <Macer> or are they saying "it's a linux kernel.. kernel.org :-P"
Jul 27 05:49:29 <Kinnoken> apparently, HTC are going to be building a developer site is two months or so. ;/
Jul 27 05:49:30 <JesusFreke> dunno
Jul 27 05:49:35 <Kinnoken> And they say they will release the source there.
Jul 27 05:49:40 <Macer> Kinnoken: ah. it's the delay and pray tactic
Jul 27 05:49:43 <Macer> nokia did it for years :)
Jul 27 05:49:44 <Macer> haha
Jul 27 05:50:00 <Macer> then they start saying IP this and that
Jul 27 05:50:02 <rgrasell> hey is it possible to put a swapfile on my sdcard, and have my g1 use it?
Jul 27 05:50:07 <Macer> then people just get fed up and give up on it ;)
Jul 27 05:50:21 <romainguy> rgrasell: JesusFreke: lol ok... dang   What kind of work has to be done to implement it?  << one attribute to remove from an XML file
Jul 27 05:50:57 <romainguy> by default all apps auto-rotate on the Magic
Jul 27 05:50:58 <rgrasell> romainguy: wow that easy? can i somehow change that line, build it, and put it on my phone?
Jul 27 05:51:02 <romainguy> sure
Jul 27 05:51:03 <Macer> Kinnoken: that still doesn't explain why they can't release the kernel source NOW :)
Jul 27 05:51:07 <Macer> haha
Jul 27 05:51:17 <Macer> they're just holding back ... they always do
Jul 27 05:51:34 <rgrasell> so how would i do that?  i have the ful android source on my computer, built.
Jul 27 05:51:35 <Macer> they chant "open source" but then hold back all their source for as long as possible
Jul 27 05:51:39 <JesusFreke> romainguy_: I haven't even looked into it :)
Jul 27 05:51:40 <Macer> because they feel bad they have to give it up
Jul 27 05:51:46 <Kinnoken> Macer, Hey, I have a 32A kernel, so I'm on your side.
Jul 27 05:51:48 <Macer> like a mother who put up an unborn child for adoption
Jul 27 05:51:50 <romainguy> rgrasell: just modify Launcher, recompile it and adb install it
Jul 27 05:51:55 <romainguy> and you're done
Jul 27 05:52:11 <rgrasell> ok the app is called launcher?  where would i find it in the source tree?
Jul 27 05:52:14 <romainguy> and the reason why auto-rotate is not enabled on Home is that it can be slow when you have widgets and tons of icons
Jul 27 05:52:14 <Macer> but after watching jpa--
Jul 27 05:52:19 <Macer> thank GOD i got a G1
Jul 27 05:52:20 <Macer> hahaha
Jul 27 05:52:34 <romainguy> and since the sensors can be quite sensitive it was decided not to enable it on home
Jul 27 05:52:54 <rgrasell> romainguy: i wanna try anyway :P  where is the xml file for launcher?
Jul 27 05:53:51 <rgrasell> is it (source)/packages/apps/Launcher/AndroidManifest.xml?
Jul 27 05:54:03 <Macer> tech.rancorous.net - since 1970-01-01
Jul 27 05:54:07 <Macer> haha!
Jul 27 05:54:14 <Macer> i'd love to have that kind of uptime :)
Jul 27 05:55:34 <jbq> rgrasell: that's the one
Jul 27 05:55:56 <rgrasell> jbq: what do i change in it? i dont see anything obvious
Jul 27 05:56:09 <romainguy> rgrasell: read it, it's very obvious
Jul 27 05:56:27 <jbq> some kind of orientation-named attribute, or something like that, right?
Jul 27 05:56:34 <romainguy> it is *very* obvious
Jul 27 05:56:56 <rgrasell> android:screenOrientation="nosensor"
Jul 27 05:56:59 <rgrasell> change to sensor? :P
Jul 27 05:57:06 <romainguy> just remove that line
Jul 27 05:57:13 <rgrasell> just remove it? not change it?
Jul 27 05:57:25 <romainguy> I'm not clear? :))
Jul 27 05:57:59 <rgrasell> lol im just making sure :P  ok i removed it and saved it.  how do i rebuild just Launcher?
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