**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 11 02:59:56 2009 Nov 11 03:03:09 ANyone got any must-have apps? Nov 11 03:13:12 is the htc hero newer than the droid eris? Nov 11 03:13:51 nein! Nov 11 03:14:06 bk: eris is a cdma hero Nov 11 03:14:24 i have no clue what that means? Nov 11 03:14:26 lol Nov 11 03:14:46 do you know the room for android on kaiser? (the porting) Nov 11 03:15:40 which one should i get? Nov 11 03:15:48 im not getting the droid Nov 11 03:15:49 its ugly Nov 11 03:15:54 ? Nov 11 03:16:02 wow, that's the first I've seen of that Nov 11 03:16:22 lol Nov 11 03:16:26 eris is not as powerful and has a slightly smaller (resolution/pixels) screen Nov 11 03:16:36 ahh ok Nov 11 03:16:42 so hero would be the way to go then Nov 11 03:16:51 Eris is Hero Nov 11 03:16:57 what carrier? Nov 11 03:17:00 Verizon? Nov 11 03:17:17 verizon or sprint Nov 11 03:17:30 i know that Nov 11 03:17:37 eris is noticably slower. Nov 11 03:17:38 but the HTC Hero for sprint is diff Nov 11 03:17:45 also Nov 11 03:17:57 my wife often complains WTF Nov 11 03:17:59 is there any new ones coming out for sprint/verizon i should wait? Nov 11 03:18:07 lol Nov 11 03:18:14 wife ad complains are synonyms Nov 11 03:18:20 I love my droid Nov 11 03:18:21 *and Nov 11 03:18:24 ha Nov 11 03:18:27 hahaha Nov 11 03:18:36 there are always new ones coming out Nov 11 03:18:55 any i should wait for tho Nov 11 03:19:01 she likes it better than my old iphone though Nov 11 03:19:01 im looking to get one like friday lol Nov 11 03:20:15 fwiw, the hw keyboard o. droid has grown on me Nov 11 03:20:35 ...still a bitch to type Nov 11 03:20:39 i hate those Nov 11 03:20:50 reason i dont get a palm (well before the pre lol_ Nov 11 03:20:54 really? im still not a fan of the droidboard Nov 11 03:20:56 im looking at that too Nov 11 03:21:09 it fits a want of mine Nov 11 03:21:09 i like the software keyboard of the droid more than the hardware keyboard, and i tend to like the hardware keyboards Nov 11 03:21:19 like the moment? i like that keyboard Nov 11 03:21:28 trigatch5 interesting Nov 11 03:21:38 i really wish verizon would just put Android on the Voyager/enV Touch Nov 11 03:21:42 if the softboard worked like iphone, I would never touch the hardboard Nov 11 03:21:44 those keyboards are the best IMO Nov 11 03:21:48 i kinda dislike softkeyboards because of the space they take on my screen Nov 11 03:21:56 yeah i hear that Nov 11 03:22:01 moving field to field can be a PITA Nov 11 03:22:05 or confusing Nov 11 03:22:07 thus my like of the hw Nov 11 03:23:02 vis. voicemail on vzw sucks with wifi on Nov 11 03:23:15 damn, the tattoo looks sleek Nov 11 03:23:19 but only for vodafone Nov 11 03:24:20 any other rumors on the dragon? Nov 11 03:24:39 yea its still sleeping Nov 11 03:24:44 lol Nov 11 03:24:54 it says q4 2009 Nov 11 03:24:58 i guess thats the rumor Nov 11 03:26:12 so droid has the lates android ui 2.0 with no alterations? Nov 11 03:26:22 yup Nov 11 03:26:28 hmm Nov 11 03:26:32 maybe i need to go look at one Nov 11 03:26:37 pandora is pissing me off Nov 11 03:26:40 theres a verizon store right down the road Nov 11 03:27:15 do it Nov 11 03:27:21 i prolly will 2marrow Nov 11 03:27:37 I think its getting serious traction Nov 11 03:27:38 hmm good idea Nov 11 03:27:39 gsm on the dragon? Nov 11 03:27:42 gotta check out the droid in rl Nov 11 03:27:57 how many androids in the wild? Nov 11 03:28:17 who knows Nov 11 03:28:29 can you update? Nov 11 03:28:35 like from 1.5 to 2.0? Nov 11 03:28:36 * neclimlap is loving his droid Nov 11 03:29:03 or is it locked in on the phone, like no update to the latest Nov 11 03:29:54 the phones can be updated, but it's up to a combination of google, your hardware vendor, and the cell network when the upgrade happens Nov 11 03:30:16 ahh ok Nov 11 03:30:21 well, atleast you can Nov 11 03:31:12 i would get an iphone, but i hate att, i hate that there is a redicoulous monthly charge for shitty service, and the fact that theres barely any google apps Nov 11 03:31:43 in which case you sound like an ideal Android user :) Nov 11 03:31:44 and its not customizable without chancing braking it Nov 11 03:31:49 iphone feels preschool compared to droid Nov 11 03:31:50 yup :) Nov 11 03:31:56 i use ALL google apps Nov 11 03:32:04 gmail cal docs etc Nov 11 03:32:06 all of em Nov 11 03:32:07 voice Nov 11 03:32:24 Leeds, my cell network doesn't sell android powered phones. Could that mean i wont be able to get an automated update? Nov 11 03:32:28 ii was let down and sold out on the iphone when the turned down the voice app Nov 11 03:32:53 i like the fact i can develop for it without having to get a mac :) Nov 11 03:32:54 Knightingale: no, probably not Nov 11 03:33:20 I still love my mac Nov 11 03:33:21 ari-free_: eh, i have all mac, but im not a developer for apps, i develope web and air applications Nov 11 03:33:26 just started on air Nov 11 03:33:41 air is nice Nov 11 03:33:55 Ballresin: me too, both of em, i just got the new iMac 27" with the quad core i7 Nov 11 03:34:10 sad.. Nov 11 03:34:11 * jeev hides Nov 11 03:34:15 nice.... Nov 11 03:34:18 lol Nov 11 03:34:25 so, ill look at the droid Nov 11 03:34:28 I have a core duo mini Nov 11 03:34:29 and the htc hero Nov 11 03:34:36 i got a pony Nov 11 03:34:37 well you can also develop on a mac Nov 11 03:34:48 yea Nov 11 03:35:00 i might try, but ide have to read up on it Nov 11 03:35:43 also looking forward to flash on android Nov 11 03:35:51 which apple is banning Nov 11 03:35:51 whens that coming? Nov 11 03:36:03 the day after duke nukem gets released Nov 11 03:36:04 flash just came to the iphone Nov 11 03:36:08 hahahaha Nov 11 03:36:12 sweet Nov 11 03:36:26 oh that's awesome, maybe a better network will come too! Nov 11 03:36:29 * jeev hides once again Nov 11 03:36:33 haha Nov 11 03:36:37 it did? Nov 11 03:36:38 just stay hidden Nov 11 03:36:42 ari-free_: yes Nov 11 03:36:50 applications Nov 11 03:36:53 not in the web, yet Nov 11 03:37:20 not on the web Nov 11 03:37:49 no, not yet, applications yes, they released that when they released flash 10.1 at MAX this year Nov 11 03:38:20 well Nov 11 03:38:28 released *about* flash 10.1 Nov 11 03:38:31 its in beta Nov 11 03:39:07 as to memory Nov 11 03:39:13 i guess sd cards right Nov 11 03:39:19 not built into the phones? Nov 11 03:39:50 bk, how long does it take to download flash to your phone? Nov 11 03:39:52 * jeev hides Nov 11 03:43:04 lol Nov 11 03:43:08 i dont have an iphone Nov 11 03:43:20 i know alot that do Nov 11 03:43:24 just about everyone i know does Nov 11 03:43:42 bk: it'sa compiler fpor flash to native apps Nov 11 03:44:17 ok Nov 11 03:44:28 i dont develope iphone apps either lol Nov 11 03:44:31 i find it hard Nov 11 03:44:49 but Nov 11 03:44:52 back to my question Nov 11 03:44:55 memory Nov 11 03:45:49 whats memory? Nov 11 03:45:56 you mean for applications? Nov 11 03:46:03 or for media like pix and music etc. Nov 11 03:46:16 bk, make me an android app Nov 11 03:46:17 afaik the phones have onboard flash as well as the sd card Nov 11 03:46:25 ya Nov 11 03:46:58 why dont people just ask questions the right way Nov 11 03:46:59 ever Nov 11 03:47:11 AbortRetryFail: for all that Nov 11 03:47:18 jeev: if i learn how, sure Nov 11 03:47:26 VenumX: a lot of time people dont know whats the right way. Nov 11 03:47:50 hmm I was talking about Adobe Flash Nov 11 03:49:01 VenumX: cause i dont have to Nov 11 03:49:08 VenumX Nov 11 03:49:15 i tried to cricket a phone but.. i'm not in a cricket area Nov 11 03:49:16 ;) Nov 11 03:49:46 AbortRetryFail: i meant for all of it, applications pix all of it Nov 11 03:49:59 is it segregated or just whatever fills it up first wins? Nov 11 03:50:11 I think apps go on the phone's internal flash and media/etc goes on the sdcard Nov 11 03:50:21 ewww Nov 11 03:50:24 not 100% sure about that though Nov 11 03:50:30 i just got this thing friday :x Nov 11 03:50:37 anyone else want to chime in with more correct info? Nov 11 03:50:39 yea cause 256 is not enough Nov 11 03:50:56 bk: when apps are <1mb 256mb is fine. Nov 11 03:51:02 and a lot of them are tiny Nov 11 03:51:12 true Nov 11 03:51:15 but it scares me Nov 11 03:51:25 it doesn't save apps on sdcard? Nov 11 03:51:25 rofl Nov 11 03:51:39 You can get apps2sd to do it Nov 11 03:51:42 like what if ya know Nov 11 03:51:44 jeev: my suggestion is to sell it to someone who is in a cricket area Nov 11 03:51:51 how can i sell it if i ca'nt verify it works Nov 11 03:51:52 then with the money you make buy a diamond that works on sprint Nov 11 03:51:53 :) Nov 11 03:52:02 VenumX, i'm not gonna use sprint, i already have vzw + tmo Nov 11 03:52:06 it really should be part of the OS Nov 11 03:52:14 jeev: why not all 3 then :) Nov 11 03:52:18 Yeah Nov 11 03:52:29 good question Nov 11 03:52:42 i like having a lot of cells but i'm tired of carrying shit around Nov 11 03:52:43 ari-free_: but why not have them like the iphone (yes i said it) with internal gigs of hd Nov 11 03:53:03 bk: because android isn't the iphone Nov 11 03:53:44 bk: because that limits the size of the phones memory...ide rather have expandable any day Nov 11 03:53:53 thats one of the main reasons i got it. It's got a good web browser, nice interface, great gmail support, gps, etc, and it's NOT the iphone. Nov 11 03:54:12 lol Nov 11 03:54:19 buutttttt Nov 11 03:54:28 but what? Nov 11 03:54:44 Oh yeah, and i can get the SDK for Linux. Nov 11 03:54:51 AbortRetryFail: you forgot the superior screen and amazing ssh client Nov 11 03:54:52 lol Nov 11 03:54:52 which im installing right now :) Nov 11 03:54:59 but wait Nov 11 03:55:04 piroko: no i didn't, i just neglected to mention it ;) Nov 11 03:55:05 ok Nov 11 03:55:07 And on device scripting Nov 11 03:55:09 internal gigs are finite. how about having several sd cards? Nov 11 03:55:10 :) Nov 11 03:55:14 allll other things go on the sd card tho right Nov 11 03:55:14 wha? Nov 11 03:55:24 scripting where? i find this very interesting. Nov 11 03:55:31 AbortRetryFail: ASE Nov 11 03:55:32 just apps an os are on the phone mem Nov 11 03:55:47 also: imagine apps sold on SD like apps on CD's Nov 11 03:55:51 and how in the hell does it take away from phone mem? if the apps go on it then wouldnt that do the same? Nov 11 03:55:56 where do the contacts etc go? Nov 11 03:56:04 ari-free_: i'd rather not... Nov 11 03:56:18 bk: internal phone memory, since it's got a export-to-sdcard option Nov 11 03:56:27 here's a movie. ok you just stick in the phone and play Nov 11 03:56:30 like a regular phone Nov 11 03:56:52 stick the same sd in your pc and play Nov 11 03:57:01 ari-free_: you jsut shut down, open the back, pull the battery, stick in the phone, put the battery back in, close it up, power it back on, and play Nov 11 03:57:02 nothx Nov 11 03:57:33 AbortRetryFail: So you have the droid? Nov 11 03:57:49 it should be easier than that :) Nov 11 03:58:15 yep Nov 11 03:58:21 well, i suppose it could be Nov 11 03:58:30 but that's also another hole on the outside of the phone to collect dust. Nov 11 03:58:39 well it was on my palm pda Nov 11 03:58:49 my palm TX's SD slot used to collect a lot of dust and i've had to blow it out with compressed air on more than one occasion just to get it working. Nov 11 03:59:11 I really didnt pull teh card out that often until i got one of those sandisk gemini SD+USB combo cards Nov 11 04:00:16 most phones have interal SD slots nowadays, don't they? and you can just mount it over USB Nov 11 04:00:24 i guess dust could be a bigger deal for a phone Nov 11 04:00:42 Leeds: either that or dust covers. Nov 11 04:00:55 and yeah the USB mount feature of android is great :) Nov 11 04:00:58 <3 that feature. Nov 11 04:01:05 haha yeah no more ppc6800's Nov 11 04:01:05 awesome idea. Nov 11 04:01:15 reminds me of the n-gage classic. had to remove the battery to change games. Nov 11 04:01:17 with their open sd card slot Nov 11 04:01:21 It's a damn computer in your pocket Nov 11 04:01:21 probably a dumb question but will this battery work on the droid? http://cgi.ebay.com/OEM-Nokia-BP6X-BP-6X-8800-8801-New-Battery_W0QQitemZ220496806097QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item3356a240d1 Nov 11 04:01:23 same model number Nov 11 04:01:27 but this is 700mah Nov 11 04:01:45 I wouldn't try it Nov 11 04:01:45 I'd hate to see how short the battery life would be... Nov 11 04:01:47 umm Nov 11 04:01:51 that says nokia Nov 11 04:02:11 yeah, really, don't do that Nov 11 04:02:17 lets try it on someone elses droid Nov 11 04:02:19 not mine ;) Nov 11 04:02:28 even if it did work, 700mah is pretty weak Nov 11 04:02:35 yea i know Nov 11 04:02:36 bbiab Nov 11 04:02:55 on the touch pro the microSD is under the back cover but does not require removing the batt, I like that as a nice compromise . Nov 11 04:03:12 notpod: yeah that's pretty good :) Nov 11 04:03:35 the droid ships with a 1420mah battery, 700 would probably barely last through 1 day of use. Nov 11 04:03:42 yeah removing battery to change games is not going to sell Nov 11 04:04:18 maybe thats why the ngage was a failure? lol Nov 11 04:04:20 i still have my n-gage classic, just to show people the epic fail that is was. Nov 11 04:04:24 Does anyone know if HTC Magic will ever upgrade to 2.0? Nov 11 04:04:26 ta-da! Nov 11 04:05:05 some google news: http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/google/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=221601138 Nov 11 04:05:07 beilabs: unannounced, so no. There is some concern that it won't fit without apps2sd, and tha'ts not going to happen officially Nov 11 04:05:34 wtf does apps2sd do just create symlinks? Nov 11 04:05:34 lol Nov 11 04:05:42 android devs- what was your first app to break into it (excluding hello world) Nov 11 04:05:50 I still have my mattel microvision, I hope to port 2.0 to it some day...err Nov 11 04:05:53 AbortRetryFail: it stores apps on SD via various methods Nov 11 04:05:57 requires root Nov 11 04:05:58 spikebike, thanks....shoot. Nov 11 04:06:42 I think the hero has been announced to have it Nov 11 04:07:07 spikebike, yeah....so...unofficially, is it possible if I root it? Nov 11 04:07:15 seems likely Nov 11 04:07:24 cyanogen or equiv Nov 11 04:07:30 whats the diff? Nov 11 04:07:40 betwee? Nov 11 04:07:41 n Nov 11 04:07:41 or best one to go with rather? Nov 11 04:07:57 of not sure if there's anything popular except cyanogen today Nov 11 04:08:04 used to be only JF Nov 11 04:10:02 Wow. HP48GX emulator Nov 11 04:10:04 badass Nov 11 04:10:19 for android? Nov 11 04:10:51 that'd be cool if it were pretty stable Nov 11 04:10:58 So what's this about on-device scripting? Nov 11 04:11:10 spikebike, the cyanogen mod is 1.6 right? Any sign of 2.0? Nov 11 04:11:30 yes Nov 11 04:11:40 2.0 won't happen till someone gets root on a 2.0 device Nov 11 04:11:51 or not popular anywyas Nov 11 04:12:00 how about when google releases the src Nov 11 04:12:02 AbortRetryFail: http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/ Nov 11 04:12:02 you did want apps right? Nov 11 04:12:29 yeah... Nov 11 04:12:44 mainly just the GPS one, to save my relationship ;) Nov 11 04:12:47 oh man that ROCKS Nov 11 04:13:03 brb :) Nov 11 04:13:20 <_Auron|G1_> would be sick if you could do opengl in scripting Nov 11 04:14:01 sick *and* twisted, yes Nov 11 04:15:20 locale is a grand prize winner? Nov 11 04:15:22 really? Nov 11 04:15:26 it seems so... not useful Nov 11 04:15:34 <_Auron|G1_> ? Nov 11 04:15:41 http://www.twofortyfouram.com/ Nov 11 04:15:56 until you want a phone in your native language, then it becomes useful Nov 11 04:16:04 not talking about i18n Nov 11 04:16:08 talking about the android app Nov 11 04:16:17 oh... Nov 11 04:16:30 just found this hiding somewhere http://code.google.com/p/simple/ Nov 11 04:17:21 yeah i just didn't get that Locale app Nov 11 04:17:53 In March 2005, Judge Robert Restaino jailed 46 people when a mobile phone rang in his New York courtroom and no one would admit responsibility. Nov 11 04:17:55 So we invented Locale. Problem solved. Nov 11 04:18:10 ok they made an app because of a stupid judge Nov 11 04:18:37 darn the python interpreter is blowing up because there's no /tmp :( Nov 11 04:18:41 oh well it did say alpha Nov 11 04:18:44 is ebuddyIM any good? Nov 11 04:18:58 no Nov 11 04:19:00 imo Nov 11 04:19:09 Lo all Nov 11 04:19:32 Im having issues connecting my phone to my computer Nov 11 04:19:40 i get stuck in a "please connect" loop Nov 11 04:19:51 doing what? Nov 11 04:20:12 it wont let me connect my phone to my computer Nov 11 04:20:39 i select mount and it goes through the steps but then instantly kicks back Nov 11 04:20:49 what OS is on your computer? what sort of connection are you trying to make? is the "please connect" message on the computer or the phone? Nov 11 04:21:01 what's your inside leg measurement? Do you prefer hot tea or iced tea? Nov 11 04:21:08 windows 7 Nov 11 04:21:11 usb Nov 11 04:21:21 both phone and pc Nov 11 04:21:29 32' Nov 11 04:21:31 iced Nov 11 04:21:34 Being on irc and reading an ebook on the droid kicks ass Nov 11 04:21:46 :) Nov 11 04:21:48 piroko: what book reader are you using? Nov 11 04:21:59 i prefer coffee.. long island iced tea? is that a choice? ;) Nov 11 04:22:03 AtomicSunset: so if you just plug the phone in and don't do anything - what happens? Nov 11 04:22:38 when i select mount it goes through the steps, my computer recognizes the phone for a split second then my phone notifies me letting me know i can mount my phone if i select mount Nov 11 04:23:07 Leeds: fbreader Nov 11 04:23:18 i had this issue with the g1 and i just assumed it was the g1 Nov 11 04:23:36 piroko: yay :D Nov 11 04:23:53 now with my droid i successfully transferred some files disconnected and now im having the same issues with my droid Nov 11 04:23:59 AtomicSunset: thing is, the USB mount stuff is just USB Mass Storage, so there should be no drivers, no configuration, etc. Nov 11 04:24:10 eggs actly Nov 11 04:24:24 my usb works fine Nov 11 04:24:28 port that is Nov 11 04:24:50 ill go through the steps again.... Nov 11 04:25:16 (on phone) select to copy files to/from your computer..... Nov 11 04:25:17 I can't get over this screen res. Makes the iphone look fuzzy Nov 11 04:25:22 i hit mount Nov 11 04:25:23 sup Nov 11 04:25:28 turn off usb storage Nov 11 04:25:36 on my droid Nov 11 04:25:39 then right to usb connected notification on phone Nov 11 04:26:24 so damn frustrating! Nov 11 04:26:44 especially since ive transferred files just hours ago Nov 11 04:26:47 silly questions... are you using the 'official' USB cable? is there a hub involved? Nov 11 04:27:00 sup zaapiel-mobile Nov 11 04:27:02 no hub official cable is in use Nov 11 04:27:08 good Nov 11 04:27:26 sounds like your usb port is busted Nov 11 04:27:27 the computer gives the usb connected noise Nov 11 04:27:31 or drivers on your computer, somehow Nov 11 04:27:32 usb port is fine Nov 11 04:27:42 my 1 Nov 11 04:27:50 gah Nov 11 04:27:54 if you had a real OS, I'd tell you to check the logs Nov 11 04:27:55 the drivers i would say maybe except i connected with no problems just an hour ago Nov 11 04:28:02 i have a real OS Nov 11 04:28:07 i just dont have your OS Nov 11 04:28:17 okay then Nov 11 04:28:20 im not here to debate linux, unix, mac, windows Nov 11 04:28:24 hard. 2 irc on this. thing Nov 11 04:28:31 lol zaapiel-mobile Nov 11 04:28:38 check the system log and see what it recognises the device as Nov 11 04:28:38 I actually PLAYD with a droid today Nov 11 04:28:39 im just here to troubleshoot with fellow users Nov 11 04:28:40 its not that cool Nov 11 04:28:43 it looks sexy as fuckm Nov 11 04:28:50 really nice touchscreen Nov 11 04:28:52 it's not that cool? Nov 11 04:28:59 the touch screen needs a matte screen protector Nov 11 04:29:00 nice keyboard, but its not that cool Nov 11 04:29:01 glossy is annoying Nov 11 04:29:06 agreed pfn Nov 11 04:29:13 keyboard is going to take some getting use to Nov 11 04:29:19 * pfn waits for power support to make their anti-glare screen protector for the droid Nov 11 04:29:21 I should have played around more with donut Nov 11 04:29:21 the hardware keyboard sucks Nov 11 04:29:27 eclair* Nov 11 04:29:29 zaapiel-mobile, I like it Nov 11 04:29:37 zaapiel-mobile, i do too. :-) Nov 11 04:29:41 but I'm coming from never having had a hardware keyboard Nov 11 04:29:48 never used a blackberry to really compare it Nov 11 04:29:50 pfn lol Nov 11 04:29:54 i have the G1 Nov 11 04:30:07 I use virtual. mostly Nov 11 04:30:07 the g1's keyboard sucks, I understand :p Nov 11 04:30:09 Leeds: any info about the google tpe meet yet? still no reply from them L( Nov 11 04:30:09 zaapiel-mobile: you on connectbot or something? Nov 11 04:30:10 :( Nov 11 04:30:24 leeds: my device manager recognizes i have a "portable device" and assigns it a drive letter Nov 11 04:30:24 no reply... so of course I haven't booked anything Nov 11 04:30:29 yeh Nov 11 04:30:34 shocking Nov 11 04:30:41 priority to reg`d devs they said too Nov 11 04:30:41 some irc client from market Nov 11 04:30:42 yet explorer doesnt recognize anything Nov 11 04:30:52 I want a good icon for the a855 in device stage Nov 11 04:30:54 seen messages from people in the US saying similar things - so it's not just us fake Asians Nov 11 04:31:00 android irc Nov 11 04:31:08 well yeh googles emails dont even reach me Nov 11 04:31:14 so im relying on them to reach u Nov 11 04:31:15 hehe Nov 11 04:31:21 i didnt get a yay or neigh from adc Nov 11 04:31:25 you never got the adc... right Nov 11 04:31:32 zaapiel-mobile: Ah. I just connect to another comp running irssi Nov 11 04:31:35 yeh Nov 11 04:31:44 http://paste.hanhuy.com/screenshot/win7-device-stage Nov 11 04:31:48 Leeds i made my app free to drum up some interest "sales" have doubled Nov 11 04:31:49 * pfn wants a droid icon there Nov 11 04:32:18 I might give xavd a friendly poke if he's around at all... he managed to answer my "is it in English" question, he might be able to answer "when might we hear a yay or nay" as well Nov 11 04:32:26 * Gaz` says Sonorox is free if anyoen wants full version :) (limited time only) Nov 11 04:32:48 hehe Nov 11 04:32:49 I want to release a few little paid apps, try to drum up some sales... bored of watching HK people download my weather app for free ;) Nov 11 04:32:57 yeh Nov 11 04:32:58 I wish layar worked with 2.0 Nov 11 04:33:08 sounds like some sound hacks are messing up a lot of sales Nov 11 04:33:14 nothing has sped up after droid Nov 11 04:33:23 yet i see devers saying their sales are goign mental since droid release Nov 11 04:33:40 so now its back to J2ME almost Nov 11 04:33:47 I would imagine sales should be going nuts with 100K+ sales over the weekend Nov 11 04:33:49 ok one version for droid, one for g1 blah blah Nov 11 04:33:55 actually, I seem to have had a few more downloads of my weather app this week than usual - but I can't see that there are that many people with Droids who care about typhoons in HK - particularly since the season is done Nov 11 04:33:56 Gaz`: Thanks man :) Nov 11 04:33:59 yeh i noticed none Nov 11 04:34:00 I wonder what sort of sales number droid eris got Nov 11 04:34:16 I've already spent $50 on apps Nov 11 04:34:17 piroko for what :) Nov 11 04:34:22 100,000 droid units, but how many did the droid eris sell Nov 11 04:34:27 zaapiel-mobile: which apps? returned any? Nov 11 04:34:35 Gaz`: Sonorox heads up Nov 11 04:34:42 piroko ahh :) Nov 11 04:34:43 droid eris? Nov 11 04:34:44 np Nov 11 04:34:54 piroko: hero for verizon Nov 11 04:35:09 im presuming a "paid" app appears on free app store when it becoems "free", altho i dont know Nov 11 04:35:11 docs 2 go was the most expel.sive Nov 11 04:35:24 better keyboard Nov 11 04:35:36 some games Nov 11 04:35:41 didn't like docs 2 go? Nov 11 04:35:46 but not my game :( Nov 11 04:35:54 I used it on my Palm and it worked pretty well for what i needed. Nov 11 04:35:58 this irc client.t was like $5 Nov 11 04:36:03 came to the conclusion droid aint that good after i was on utube for an hr last night Nov 11 04:36:16 why? Nov 11 04:36:25 battery life? Nov 11 04:36:28 I bought baseball game Nov 11 04:36:42 that reminds me, I need to rebuild the weather app with small-screen support Nov 11 04:36:45 app incompatibility, jerk slow screen due to higher res, even higher res doesnt guarantee more "desktop" space, Nov 11 04:36:46 * pfn tries to avoid buying anything for now Nov 11 04:36:48 some turn based strategy Nov 11 04:37:07 Gaz`, yeah, still just 4 icons in a row, even with 480pixels Nov 11 04:37:07 oh sheesh it's been out for less than a week. Nov 11 04:37:15 the screen isn't slow, though Nov 11 04:37:23 yeah mine runs pretty fast. Nov 11 04:37:24 no? looked a bit laggy when u move between em Nov 11 04:37:27 app incompatibility is just an initial problem that should be worked out pretty soon Nov 11 04:37:34 gaz what specifically is slow? Nov 11 04:37:38 Gaz`, it's not completely smooth, but it's good enough Nov 11 04:37:43 it *does* get slow when you run a lot of apps, though Nov 11 04:37:44 zaapiel-mobile whats the name of the game? Nov 11 04:37:45 gaz I'm a g1 user pondering a droid Nov 11 04:37:47 I dont personally care about smooth animations Nov 11 04:38:08 i was g1 user pondering droi im thinking of waiting another 6 months atleast altho i should get one for testing Nov 11 04:38:09 when I was running imeem or pandora and a bunch of other crap at the same time, it started getting pretty laggy Nov 11 04:38:23 testing using AVD isn't enough? Nov 11 04:38:24 * Leeds goes to grok http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/10/support-for-additional-screen.html Nov 11 04:38:38 spikebike: look on youtube for g1 vs droid by emogamer thats all i know :) Nov 11 04:38:41 * pfn still needs to look at the sdk and figure out what some useful stuff to write would be Nov 11 04:39:04 age of conquest Nov 11 04:39:12 its fun Nov 11 04:39:13 pfn can u test my app on your droid, im curious if it fails miserably, i cant remember if my code is screensize independent which means it wont be lol Nov 11 04:39:26 what's your app? Nov 11 04:39:30 sonorox Nov 11 04:39:43 Gaz`: i just tried it Nov 11 04:40:02 ive been trained forten yrs to write code that scales but in this case i thought well no other android phones yet lets just wait and see Nov 11 04:40:07 Gaz`: intro screen is not scaled. Rest is Nov 11 04:40:12 piroko any fun? Nov 11 04:40:13 OHH Nov 11 04:40:16 sweet as Nov 11 04:40:21 oh u tried it on droid nice one Nov 11 04:40:27 Gaz`: Yes. :) Nov 11 04:40:29 any chance of a few screenshots? Nov 11 04:40:41 Gaz`: What app? Nov 11 04:40:41 hmm... /me confused Nov 11 04:40:42 damn me and my hardcoding of screensizes Nov 11 04:40:43 how do you screenshot in droid Nov 11 04:40:52 i use DDMS on PC Nov 11 04:40:56 pfn d90 ;-) Nov 11 04:40:56 ie usb etc Nov 11 04:40:58 but i have SDK Nov 11 04:41:05 I do too Nov 11 04:41:10 brb Nov 11 04:41:20 Gaz`, yeah, I have the sdk as well, just haven't really used it yet Nov 11 04:41:23 except for adb shell Nov 11 04:41:29 piroko, so you link phone up run ddms.bat then click capture from one of the menus Nov 11 04:41:41 I'm on linux Nov 11 04:41:47 ah ;) Nov 11 04:41:50 :/ Nov 11 04:41:52 not ventured that way yet Nov 11 04:41:56 man wtf is with all of the posts of people saying 'phone goes back tomorrow man what a disappointment!' on the bluetooth voice dial bug list Nov 11 04:42:04 is everyone REALLY that impatient? Nov 11 04:42:05 altho my vaio is stuck on ubuntu so i might have to i cant isntall any OS on it!! Nov 11 04:42:14 AbortRetryFail: Yes Nov 11 04:42:20 works exactly the same on Linux Nov 11 04:42:28 AbortRetryFail: there are a lot of idiots Nov 11 04:42:31 I'll be pissed if there's nothing done after 6 months Nov 11 04:42:31 Leeds: Alright, thanks Nov 11 04:43:03 Gaz`, yeah, seems to work Nov 11 04:43:16 Gaz`, except for the initial splash screen which is not scaled as piroko said Nov 11 04:43:26 zaapiel-mobile i played it. it was very straightforward Nov 11 04:43:28 and and the sonorox isn't centered Nov 11 04:43:49 well thats great news, i dont know how i was stupid enough to mess up splash it didnt even need to be a full screen png :/ Nov 11 04:44:26 Gaz`, and it crashed if put into the background and resumed Nov 11 04:44:34 ah Nov 11 04:44:38 well thats just android for ya Nov 11 04:44:41 J/K!!! Nov 11 04:44:42 :) Nov 11 04:45:05 anyone use the sprint nfl app on their g1? Nov 11 04:45:09 im waiting for someone to give me a droid for fixing hehe Nov 11 04:45:17 Gaz`, illegal thread state, thread already started Nov 11 04:45:28 well I hate to admit it but allowing emulators most likely hurts game sales Nov 11 04:45:30 gaxSonoroxSurfaceView.java:1283 Nov 11 04:45:34 Gaz`, fixors it Nov 11 04:45:48 hmm i never was able to truely get the threads to die Nov 11 04:45:54 threads don't die Nov 11 04:45:59 i.e. you can't .stop() them Nov 11 04:46:02 what you do is set a flag Nov 11 04:46:10 e.g. myobjectthatimplementsRunnable.shutdown = true Nov 11 04:46:13 well i do let it expire naturally Nov 11 04:46:23 ie while(running) Nov 11 04:46:30 then running is set to false Nov 11 04:46:37 it should expire Nov 11 04:46:39 zaapiel-mobile, not really Nov 11 04:46:45 it hurts game consol errors Nov 11 04:46:48 Gaz`, you also can't re-start threads Nov 11 04:47:00 Gaz`, need to create a new thread, or use some sort of thread-pool mechanism Nov 11 04:47:01 yeh Nov 11 04:47:04 console sales* Nov 11 04:47:05 ahh Nov 11 04:47:13 Gaz`, I assume this to be the case on android Nov 11 04:47:14 im sure i was just doing new Thread Nov 11 04:47:20 layar was one of the reasons I wanted android and it does.t work Nov 11 04:47:33 starting on a new game next week for android Nov 11 04:47:34 Gaz`, I dunno, sounds like you keep a ref to the thread and call start again Nov 11 04:47:44 after the huge success of last one :p Nov 11 04:47:52 hopefully they fix it soon Nov 11 04:47:59 pfn you could be right i didnt know why it was messing up sometimes Nov 11 04:48:07 altho ive never seen it crash on my g1 Nov 11 04:48:09 maybe once Nov 11 04:48:26 Gaz`, anyway, .start() can't be called multiple times in java, I don't know if that's also the case with android Nov 11 04:48:49 cool Nov 11 04:49:06 thx Nov 11 04:49:08 u guys den s Nov 11 04:49:10 threads always been a pita Nov 11 04:49:35 * pfn has yet to begin his adventures into android programming Nov 11 04:49:44 I just don't have enough time :( Nov 11 04:49:48 :( Nov 11 04:49:51 know the feelin mate Nov 11 04:50:02 i done 3 apps for it that are finished Nov 11 04:50:05 another 5 that half complete Nov 11 04:50:09 as usual Nov 11 04:50:26 I think I'll port my password manager app to android Nov 11 04:50:34 nice Nov 11 04:50:46 mutt on the droid looks awesome Nov 11 04:50:56 http://www.hanhuy.com/pfn/scurp_password_manager Nov 11 04:51:15 hehe did u gets get free demo Nov 11 04:51:29 sonorox (not sonorox lite) is free, altho not much more functions just uploading andm ore than 1 save Nov 11 04:51:39 port that to android, and also use usb mass storage to mount the file and read the file Nov 11 04:51:52 either that or market stats are delayed which is prob true Nov 11 04:51:59 although, what sort of crypto support does droid have... Nov 11 04:52:18 they should have check boxes so users can say test on this device and works etc nd list issues Nov 11 04:52:22 market stats update 2/3 times per day Nov 11 04:52:32 ah Nov 11 04:52:40 that explains why my sales all happen when im asleep Nov 11 04:52:43 actually sorta hehe Nov 11 04:54:32 gotta do somework bbiab :) Nov 11 04:54:46 are there any android sdk quick-start guides? Nov 11 04:55:00 I wish we could do verbose booting Nov 11 04:55:03 i.e. basic hello world program and an overview of the windowing toolkit Nov 11 04:55:13 s/windowing/graphics Nov 11 04:55:22 pfn: there's shitloads of example code in the SDK guide Nov 11 04:55:54 and you actually don't need to do anything at all for hello world - if you create a new project, it creates hello world by default :) Nov 11 04:55:59 the Nov 11 04:56:13 the 'android' tool, anyway - no idea what Eclipse might or might not do Nov 11 04:56:29 http://d.android.com/guide/tutorials/hello-world.html Nov 11 04:56:31 hardc0re Nov 11 04:57:08 ugh, I hate how the developer.android.com docs aren't navigable using vimperator Nov 11 04:59:32 Wow. The android browser gets a 93 on the acid3 Nov 11 04:59:46 That's sick Nov 11 04:59:52 and it supposedly loses to the iphone's browser Nov 11 04:59:54 ... Nov 11 05:00:08 interesting, the emogamer review of the droid was interesting Nov 11 05:00:12 hm. I can test that Nov 11 05:00:25 especially about the keyboard Nov 11 05:01:49 pfn: blasphemy Nov 11 05:02:04 spikebike: link? Nov 11 05:02:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v8WD7Qe0uA Nov 11 05:02:55 Hi. Nov 11 05:03:36 I have a question, can android play xvid files? Nov 11 05:05:22 samosa, no Nov 11 05:05:26 how does latitude work... Nov 11 05:05:30 I mean how do I set it up? Nov 11 05:06:05 droids keyboard has 4 rows (instead of 5), no offset keys, perfectly flat, 2 lame dead keys, tiny space/return Nov 11 05:06:12 dont really "set it up" go into maps, i hit menu, go to latitude Nov 11 05:06:24 yeah, but how do I add people to latitude Nov 11 05:06:28 i think you just agree to the terms of latitude and thats it, cant remember exactly Nov 11 05:07:08 click join latitude Nov 11 05:07:16 then add friends Nov 11 05:07:36 does the droid eris include latitude by default Nov 11 05:07:50 I'd be shocked if not Nov 11 05:08:03 any google device with 1.6 should Nov 11 05:08:07 pfn so there is no video player app out yet that could? Nov 11 05:08:18 samosa, I dunno, check the market Nov 11 05:08:39 I dont know the site, could you give link? Nov 11 05:09:24 my phone is being recognized as a "portable device" how do i stop that from happening so i can mount it as a disc? Nov 11 05:09:34 samosa, it's generally searched from android devices Nov 11 05:09:47 AtomicSunset, just choose mount sd from the phone Nov 11 05:10:02 AtomicSunset, screenshots speak a thousand words Nov 11 05:10:16 when i do that it instantly prepares the sd card for the phone to use Nov 11 05:10:23 sorry for lack of screen shots Nov 11 05:10:49 my computer recognizes the phone as a portable device but will not allow me to mount the sd card Nov 11 05:10:59 pull down the notification bar Nov 11 05:11:02 click on usb Nov 11 05:11:05 then click on mount Nov 11 05:11:33 ive done that multiple times Nov 11 05:12:10 so why aren't you putting up screenshots Nov 11 05:12:23 so how do I add people to latitude? Nov 11 05:12:29 menu -> add friends Nov 11 05:12:50 (from the latitude screen inside google maps) Nov 11 05:12:50 where do I do this? Nov 11 05:13:42 I don't see that Nov 11 05:13:52 I go into maps, click join latitude, then click latitude Nov 11 05:13:57 and click menu, but no option to add friends Nov 11 05:14:18 ah Nov 11 05:14:22 use the friends tab Nov 11 05:14:28 what friends tab? Nov 11 05:14:42 gmaps -> latitude -> friends tab Nov 11 05:14:45 is advanced task manager a good app? Nov 11 05:14:53 there's 2 tabs at the top friends and updates Nov 11 05:15:29 Ballresin, task killers are not a good idea Nov 11 05:15:34 ok Nov 11 05:16:30 spikebike, I don't get any tabs when I click latitude Nov 11 05:16:45 what does menu say? Nov 11 05:16:48 I click latitude and I just get a blue circle Nov 11 05:16:53 and the menu doesn't change Nov 11 05:17:09 pfn: http://picasaweb.google.com/atom.thompson/Desktop?authkey=Gv1sRgCIqIrfjfuLi1pAE#5402710652309084610 Nov 11 05:17:21 sorry took so long Nov 11 05:17:36 AtomicSunset, that's kind of a pita to get picturesuploaded Nov 11 05:17:36 heh Nov 11 05:17:54 pita? Nov 11 05:18:08 sorry im just frustrated with this problem Nov 11 05:18:09 click latitude again? Nov 11 05:19:32 spikebike, I have been, nothing changes on the map except for the blue dot and circle Nov 11 05:19:46 AtomicSunset pita is pain in the ass Nov 11 05:20:23 i dont like seeing all this fun android chat while im stuck with J2ME! :-X Nov 11 05:20:44 pfn dunno Nov 11 05:20:59 pfn maybe add a friend through the google web interface (add latitude to igoogle) Nov 11 05:21:06 http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=6a0c17dc081bddcc&hl=en Nov 11 05:22:39 AtomicSunset: check the notifications Nov 11 05:23:51 ah, well I have a g1, and it jsut worked Nov 11 05:23:59 sounds like there's a bug in droid Nov 11 05:25:29 hmm new market agreement http://androidandme.com/2009/11/uncategorized/android-market-agree-to-new-terms-or-we-unpublish-your-app/ Nov 11 05:26:22 we cant even argue if they say we will take 70% id still accept :/ Nov 11 05:26:53 again why didnt i get this email, i saw the notification when i logged itno my dev account but i dont get the mails Nov 11 05:28:21 so how have the terms changed? Nov 11 05:38:10 i didnt read it Nov 11 05:38:27 hope it didnt say we will take away your house if u click agree, i agree to anythign on the net hehe Nov 11 05:38:55 i just hope it does cut down on the market spam Nov 11 05:41:02 yall Nov 11 05:41:04 look Nov 11 05:41:04 like Nov 11 05:41:05 some Nov 11 05:41:07 blacks Nov 11 05:41:14 jk drunk Nov 11 05:41:41 go back to sleep Nov 11 05:42:44 ugh, setting up latitude is a pita Nov 11 05:42:52 need to go into igoogle to approve stuff back and forth Nov 11 05:42:56 i just got home Nov 11 05:43:07 pfn lets be latitude friends Nov 11 05:45:44 AtomicSunset, http://paste.hanhuy.com/screenshot/win7-dev-mgr-a855 Nov 11 05:45:49 AtomicSunset, that's how it looks like for me, and it works fine Nov 11 05:48:54 AtomicSunset, I can go to the I: drive and it works just fine Nov 11 05:49:32 Gaz`: I didn't get an email about the new market terms, just saw it when I logged in Nov 11 05:49:55 lets be pals on latitude Nov 11 05:50:06 Leeds ah on the net it says they send emakl##ils Nov 11 05:50:43 I do get market updates every now and again from Eric Chu - maybe it's a timezone thing, it'll go out later today Nov 11 05:52:37 Rashtop--, thanks, no offense, but I only want to use latitude for family purposes Nov 11 05:53:08 can we be brothers? Nov 11 05:53:28 dont be a fgt Nov 11 05:53:49 hey, I was being polite, assfucker :p Nov 11 05:54:02 be nice, children Nov 11 05:54:17 irc and alcohol dont mix, i know :) Nov 11 05:54:24 im off facebook for same reason Nov 11 05:54:39 nice halloween pics though ;) Nov 11 05:54:46 yeh! Nov 11 05:54:48 that chick was hot eh Nov 11 05:55:03 i hosted that night :) Nov 11 05:55:06 definitely Nov 11 05:55:08 djs, visuals etc Nov 11 05:55:12 lets be frannnnnz Nov 11 05:55:18 yeah, you invited me - I couldn't make it Nov 11 05:55:18 mikerash@gmail.com Nov 11 05:55:21 on the latitude Nov 11 05:55:32 using my own custom vj app and a prerednered video took me 2 yrs to make Nov 11 05:55:46 hehe 107 thru the door :-/ Nov 11 05:56:11 made a profit? Nov 11 05:56:19 made out on the night? ;) Nov 11 05:56:30 not really Nov 11 05:56:37 the free beer offer meant that i lost some equipment Nov 11 05:56:38 heh Nov 11 05:56:42 that i now need to rebuy Nov 11 05:56:44 ew Nov 11 05:56:47 luckily no computers just a charger Nov 11 05:57:10 beer? Nov 11 05:57:20 free? Nov 11 05:57:22 go grab one rashed Nov 11 05:57:26 Rashtop-- Nov 11 05:57:28 :) Nov 11 05:57:29 suddent Rashtop-- focuses :) Nov 11 05:57:31 yes? Nov 11 05:57:32 i did get free carlsberg all night Nov 11 05:57:35 I heard free beer Nov 11 05:57:42 rather i saw Nov 11 05:58:09 yeh theres an app on the android market called beerDroid, its hypnotic you hold it up to any bar tender and they immediately pour you a free pint of heinken Nov 11 05:58:33 ORLY Nov 11 05:58:36 lemme check Nov 11 05:58:56 if its not there im firing up my hypnoticSDK Nov 11 05:59:18 i dnt see beer droid Nov 11 05:59:27 not if I get there first! Nov 11 05:59:34 oh i must have dreamed it, like homer with skittlebrau hehehehee Nov 11 05:59:50 oh wow Nov 11 05:59:53 Beer Counter Nov 11 05:59:55 wow Nov 11 06:00:00 I needed htat tonnight Nov 11 06:00:01 oh god Nov 11 06:00:01 that beer with candy floating in it... :D Nov 11 06:00:07 what an idea! Nov 11 06:00:10 I dont reemmber drinking 25.00 worth of 1.75 beers Nov 11 06:00:12 Gaz`: yes, there really is a beer counter Nov 11 06:00:12 augmented Reality beer googles :) Nov 11 06:00:24 gona make it lol Nov 11 06:00:39 goggles Nov 11 06:01:00 <_Auron|G1_> gaz, my second game has begun development btw Nov 11 06:01:11 <_Auron|G1_> did you make it to round 2 of adc2? Nov 11 06:01:19 _Auron_ excellent my friend, well done on your ADC2 success Nov 11 06:01:22 yes Nov 11 06:01:24 :-DDD Nov 11 06:01:27 <_Auron|G1_> fun Nov 11 06:01:30 what's adc2? Nov 11 06:01:31 <_Auron|G1_> *high-five* Nov 11 06:01:39 hahah borat style HIGH5! Nov 11 06:01:40 <_Auron|G1_> android developer challenge 2 Nov 11 06:01:55 _Auron_ i was too afraid to enter the games category i lose the IMGA every year with a game Nov 11 06:02:05 <_Auron|G1_> imga? Nov 11 06:02:12 international mobile gaming awards Nov 11 06:02:22 fuck Nov 11 06:02:24 <_Auron|G1_> I got 2nd in tsa nationals video game design 2007 Nov 11 06:02:26 hmm, nice prizes Nov 11 06:02:27 this beer counter said i had 14 Nov 11 06:02:32 that sounds right Nov 11 06:02:37 and then we went to mcdonalds Nov 11 06:02:37 that's some pretty good money Nov 11 06:02:41 _Auron_, wow man thats awesome with what Nov 11 06:02:47 and I put a half eaten mcchiekn on the ATM Nov 11 06:02:52 <_Auron|G1_> my game Abscencia Nov 11 06:02:56 _Auron_ been trying to design games my whole life but people keep thtrowing apps at me Nov 11 06:02:59 <_Auron|G1_> was a 3d adventure game Nov 11 06:03:03 nice Nov 11 06:03:07 the guys who do airport security also run a video game design competition? Nov 11 06:03:13 <_Auron|G1_> no Nov 11 06:03:19 <_Auron|G1_> technology student association Nov 11 06:03:23 wow beer counter Nov 11 06:03:25 awesome ap Nov 11 06:03:49 ok brothers Nov 11 06:03:51 its bed time for me Nov 11 06:03:52 <_Auron|G1_> anyhow sleep, g'night Nov 11 06:03:56 lets be latitude pals Nov 11 06:04:01 mikerash@gmail.com Nov 11 06:04:11 sleep time Nov 11 06:06:16 cya rashed2020 Nov 11 06:06:18 Rashtop--! Nov 11 06:06:20 grr Nov 11 06:06:25 yes Nov 11 06:06:31 i meant Nov 11 06:06:32 oh you Nov 11 06:06:34 good night :) Nov 11 06:06:34 I see now Nov 11 06:06:35 its ok Nov 11 06:06:38 wan an! Nov 11 06:06:38 fuck yourself Nov 11 06:06:39 jk Nov 11 06:06:43 thats chinese fo good night Nov 11 06:06:44 you are a pal Nov 11 06:06:45 i wish i could Nov 11 06:06:47 what kind Nov 11 06:06:49 id be doign it right now Nov 11 06:06:52 general tsos? Nov 11 06:06:59 altho would that make me gay hmm Nov 11 06:07:01 Gaz` Nov 11 06:07:08 aye? Nov 11 06:07:09 I had sex he other night, I am disapoint Nov 11 06:07:17 * pfn needs to browse these adc1 winner apps Nov 11 06:07:20 see what's worth installing Nov 11 06:07:21 wel thats what happens after beers Nov 11 06:07:22 ;) Nov 11 06:07:23 i did not have feelings for her Nov 11 06:07:36 oh lord Nov 11 06:07:50 Rashtop-- sttuud.. ok im going back to code ;) Nov 11 06:07:59 who just texted messages me Nov 11 06:09:06 woah Nov 11 06:09:10 wat Nov 11 06:09:15 there's a metal detector application for the g1 Nov 11 06:09:18 and it works Nov 11 06:09:23 no Nov 11 06:09:27 keep using it Nov 11 06:09:29 doesnt work Nov 11 06:09:41 I did, it definitely works Nov 11 06:09:47 No Nov 11 06:09:50 keep using it Nov 11 06:09:50 doesnt work Nov 11 06:09:55 I just pressed up 4 times Nov 11 06:09:56 it definitely works Nov 11 06:10:08 text messaging is too expensive... need to use gtalk exclusively Nov 11 06:10:10 No Nov 11 06:10:12 keep using it Nov 11 06:10:13 pfn yes Nov 11 06:10:14 doesnt work Nov 11 06:10:16 I just pressed up 4 times Nov 11 06:10:23 Rashtop--: I'm using it and it works Nov 11 06:10:25 pity that can't do images over gtalk Nov 11 06:10:33 h Nov 11 06:10:35 oh Nov 11 06:10:45 pfn yeah, I think on of the IM clients does Nov 11 06:10:50 or did anyways Nov 11 06:11:04 hey all, i have a quick question how would i do something like the following findViewById(R.id.Button0+location) insead of findViewById(R.id.Button01) Nov 11 06:11:06 gmail isn't a bad way to share with people you gtalk with Nov 11 06:11:15 (if you don't want to install another im client) Nov 11 06:11:17 spikebike, yeah, might just have to resort to that Nov 11 06:11:24 need to get my wife to use gmail Nov 11 06:11:32 it's the learning curve and resistance to learning problem Nov 11 06:11:39 imeem or something had one that could send photos, let you draw, or even draw on a photo Nov 11 06:11:41 i nee dto pee Nov 11 06:11:42 jackinloadup: ask in #android-dev :) Nov 11 06:11:45 also had a send gps position widget Nov 11 06:12:12 Rashtop--: I tried moving my scissors 5 times and got 5 detections Nov 11 06:12:14 jackinloadup: but the short answer is that you don't do that Nov 11 06:12:20 u mad Nov 11 06:12:21 then I tried my empty hand 5 times... zero detections Nov 11 06:12:27 Leeds: Thanks, my client isnt bringing up my server list for some reason. Nov 11 06:12:27 cute Nov 11 06:13:15 Hi all Nov 11 06:13:36 spikebike you wanna come over and check for studs? Nov 11 06:13:38 loljk Nov 11 06:14:04 Rashtop--: do me a favour, take a deep breath, then exhale into this tube Nov 11 06:14:10 ok Nov 11 06:14:23 i did Nov 11 06:14:34 * Leeds checks the readout Nov 11 06:14:35 * Rashtop does Leeds a favor and exhales into a tube Nov 11 06:14:47 Rashtop: I think you may be over the limit for IRC use Nov 11 06:15:05 i want to be able to explore the android sdk, I've set up eclipse ADT and downloaded an SDK as instructed by google's documentation however when I go to create an AVD it says theres no target available, is there something I missed? Thanks in advance for anyone who takes the time to assist me :) Nov 11 06:15:36 TOGGI3: -> #android-dev for development questions Nov 11 06:15:45 Thankyou leeds Nov 11 06:17:03 i did? Nov 11 06:17:03 whats up? Nov 11 06:17:03 i did Nov 11 06:17:03 imo Nov 11 06:17:04 No Nov 11 06:17:35 now that was random Nov 11 06:20:48 lolwat Nov 11 06:22:07 oh good. someone finally made an inventory app Nov 11 06:22:18 inventory? Nov 11 06:22:35 yeah, to know what you have in your house Nov 11 06:23:14 integrated with the barcode scanner? Nov 11 06:23:20 yup Nov 11 06:23:28 http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-app-inventory-zDiq.aspx Nov 11 06:31:27 sounds like a pita, unless you have a streamlined way of barcoding stuff Nov 11 06:31:55 mmm... pita... with humous Nov 11 06:32:11 i would assume you'd only scan the stuff that has barcodes and just take pictures of the rest Nov 11 06:32:39 "This ancient Ming vase doesn't have a barcode on it!" Nov 11 06:32:52 yeah you do what you can Nov 11 06:44:43 Hi all. I've decided to change my mobile phone provider, but this one uses exclusively 3g, even for phone calls. My question: How does android manage data transfer when having access to both 3g and wifi, considering I cannot switch off 3g? Nov 11 06:47:37 are you talking about verizon/cdma? Nov 11 06:48:12 clueless ;x Nov 11 06:48:33 would Android prefer wifi for data over the cell connection? Nov 11 06:48:36 If it's on, of course Nov 11 06:48:39 denon, I'm from Romania, you probably don't know the network Nov 11 06:48:43 (I think that's the question) Nov 11 06:49:01 its either wifi OR 3g Nov 11 06:49:02 Android always uses wifi if it can Nov 11 06:49:12 Leeds, are you sure about that? Nov 11 06:49:30 any jquery devs in here? Nov 11 06:49:31 I'm pretty sure he's right -- at least, that's the case with my droid Nov 11 06:49:31 Nov 11 06:49:34 even, annoyingly, when it connects to a wifi network which needs a login over HTTP before data can flow Nov 11 06:49:35 oops Nov 11 06:50:35 * pfn can't seem to connect to the wifi at work for some reason Nov 11 06:52:33 Leeds, this link http://androidforums.com/htc-magic/6993-wifi-priority-question-multi-tasking.html says the same thing you say. Still nothing official. I'll search further Nov 11 06:53:50 pity that wifi is such a battery drain Nov 11 06:53:53 I usually turn it off Nov 11 06:58:44 oh, I wish android would stop notifications if an email is read Nov 11 07:01:01 Hi. If i have an eclipse project created with ADT, is it possible to run it without first having to load it into eclipse ?? (my lecturer has 57 assignments to mark (where the assignment was creating an android application in eclipse using ADT) and it's taking him absolutely forever. he hasn't asked me to find a better way, but I'm trying to figure out if there is a faster way to suggest to him (I want my mark already :p) Nov 11 07:01:06 it's so annoying to get the notifications of new email when the message has already been read Nov 11 07:01:43 run the compiler from commandline Nov 11 07:01:48 and all the related tools Nov 11 07:10:07 what i did is went under settings, wireless and network settings, wifi settings, menu key, advanced, wifi sleep policy, never Nov 11 07:24:37 mobile defense kind of sounds like a worthwhile app Nov 11 07:25:02 pfn: high voltage to the touchscreen when stolen/ Nov 11 07:25:05 ? Nov 11 07:25:20 so THAT'S why the droid is metal! awesome! Nov 11 07:25:22 not quite that worthwhile Nov 11 07:25:57 Eclipse is not recognizing my Android SDK Nov 11 07:26:11 be specific Nov 11 07:26:16 and go to #android-dev Nov 11 07:27:24 Ah, nvm.. just noticed the new SDK's requires you to download the platforms seperately. Nov 11 07:27:25 Untouchab1e, when you click apply Nov 11 07:27:26 try to click ok Nov 11 07:27:27 oh Nov 11 07:27:38 it downloads so freakin slow (android sdk) Nov 11 07:27:41 Didnt have to do that with 1.5, but its changed now Nov 11 07:27:42 lol Nov 11 07:27:51 indeed Nov 11 07:27:51 how long have you been making apps Nov 11 07:29:42 jeev: started around march I think Nov 11 07:29:49 then took a long break after my first app >.< Nov 11 07:29:56 thought id start up again Nov 11 07:30:04 as I have a new idea.. Nov 11 07:30:24 but confused as to what target platform I should go for..considering we have the Hero on 1.5, DROID on 2.0 and soon Xperia X10 on 1.6 Nov 11 07:32:17 then target 1.5 or 1.6 Nov 11 07:32:19 what do you think they are going to upgrade to Nov 11 07:32:47 eventually they will all be up to 2.0 Nov 11 07:32:49 verizon only has it for 2 weeks since droid launch then all will be able to Nov 11 07:32:52 are there really that many new apis in 2.0 to make it compelling to develop for? Nov 11 07:33:10 1.6 is probably most important with resolution independence Nov 11 07:33:27 dunno if you can use those same apis in 1.5, though, probably can Nov 11 07:34:49 1.6 is what I was going for initially, untill I realized that it would mean most Android devices wont be able to run my apps? Nov 11 07:37:32 hmm, the droid eris is 1.5 Nov 11 07:40:27 Hmm, installed the 1.5 and 1.6 platform now, but Eclipse still doesnt recognize them Nov 11 07:41:07 as long on 2.0 is all im sayin Nov 11 08:29:35 what's the pause key for android when dialing? Nov 11 08:33:44 hmm, looks like it's menu->insert pause Nov 11 08:33:51 how do I do it on sense ui Nov 11 08:41:34 pfn: hold menu to bring up the keyboard and type a comma Nov 11 08:44:52 lonequid, ah, there it is, thanks--what's the difference between , and p? Nov 11 08:44:52 crap, my sd card just got damaged, any way to save the data on my fat32 partition? Nov 11 09:03:35 hi all. Do you think 100Mb of traffic a month would suffice background mail checking and other apps, considering Most of the time I'm covered by wireless networks(I got wireless at work and at home)? We have some expensive data plans here, so I'm searching for a minimum traffic. Nov 11 09:04:07 and by other apps I mean background tasks that once in a while check on status Nov 11 09:11:59 fantie_: huh? Nov 11 09:12:21 phoboulinos_: check on old at modem reference Nov 11 09:13:42 Would anyone know if apps like "Advanced Task manager" is worth using? I would think Google would have seen to optimization and memory management (although 3rd party apps might misbehave) -- would Adv. Task Manager (paid app) cause any instability or issues? Is it worth using? Nov 11 09:16:05 Would anyone know if apps like "Advanced Task manager" is worth using? I would think Google would have seen to optimization and memory management (although 3rd party apps might misbehave) -- would Adv. Task Manager (paid app) cause any instability or issues? Is it worth using? Nov 11 09:16:44 in general, you don't need any third-party manager... if you want to use one you can, but you don't *need* one Nov 11 09:17:23 Leeds, what do you suggest using non third-party to manage tasks? Nov 11 09:17:42 I thought so leeds... but so many regular users seem to like it, I wonder if it's a placebo effect.. -- no different than that weather applet... it's HUGE... and not worth it.. I just have a bookmark to weather.gov (NOAA) with my zipcode pre-entered as the URL Nov 11 09:17:43 prodigel: either you use a third-party manager, or nothing at all Nov 11 09:18:05 (okay, or you bring up a root shell and start killing things, but that's not a particularly user-friendly option) Nov 11 09:18:19 Leeds, I am finding nothing at all works better because when I kill all apps, I findm yself re-running them 20 mins later, which just slows it down more because it has to reload the app as opposed to already being cached.. Nov 11 09:18:21 I would say you can forget about task managers until you find yourself in a situation where you need one Nov 11 09:18:57 but generally, people coming from other operating systems - multitasking ones, obviously, so the iPhone doesn't count - think they need one Nov 11 09:19:36 well the running logic is that it kills apps you don't want running so that they dont eat the battery by diddling with chatter on the edge connection or 3g Nov 11 09:19:55 as well as keeping memory available.. I think it's hogwash for a device like the G1 Nov 11 09:20:32 apps which are *running* probably shouldn't be killed, since they'll be using background processing on purpose Nov 11 09:20:48 you may remember me Leeds, I was here about a year ago and idled for a few months, then left.. we had talked a lot about battery life and slow-charging or fast charging Nov 11 09:21:19 rings a bell, yes :) Nov 11 09:21:42 I think we created an android-NY channel -- I forget Nov 11 09:22:03 not me - I haven't been to NY since 2001 Nov 11 09:22:10 possibly bgupta? Nov 11 09:22:13 eh i wasn't sure Nov 11 09:22:15 we definitely talked about battery life Nov 11 09:22:18 yea bgupta Nov 11 09:22:27 but you and me talked about battery life Nov 11 09:23:07 my G1 keyboard died (partiallY) I had to buy a new 1 Nov 11 09:23:21 the menu button kept thinking it was a dial (green dial) button Nov 11 09:23:43 and whenever I hit the QWERTY keys (upper left of the keyboard) I was getting q1w2 the letter + the # above the letter Nov 11 09:23:59 I am sure it was a hardware problem.. I had the phone abotu a year... but the bullet & bought a new 1 Nov 11 09:24:41 I checked out the cliq ... I didn't care for all the custom configs and forcing 1.5 ... I do wonder when the next G1 will come out .. without any customizations .. just running raw android Nov 11 09:24:58 the droid is pretty vanilla, I think Nov 11 09:25:22 only 4 android devices available here in HK: Magic, Hero, Tattoo and Galaxy (which is also quite vanilla, I believe) Nov 11 09:25:35 i looked @ the Motorola Cliq... a lot of customizations and I didn't like the keyboard... not large enough ... I do a lot of SSHing Nov 11 09:25:36 yep. droid/milestone has no moto mods Nov 11 09:27:11 In ConnectBot .. how would I do "Alt-2" or "Alt-4" on the G1 ? Nov 11 09:31:00 A buddy of mine uses one of the IRC apps on the G1........ that sounds painful to me.. Nov 11 09:33:06 hmm? :> Nov 11 09:33:17 tmzt: Nov 11 09:33:29 my g1 just rebooted, and fat32 is now corrupt Nov 11 09:33:36 parted /dev/block/mmcblk0 gives nothing Nov 11 09:33:41 but i need that data :< Nov 11 09:33:56 cant repair from windows when i mount it using chkdsk Nov 11 09:38:19 parted? Nov 11 09:38:36 dd it in linux to start Nov 11 09:39:12 also fdisk -l to see if the partition tables is readable Nov 11 09:39:37 you tried that on g1? Nov 11 09:58:09 ok will try tmzt ty Nov 11 09:59:12 i/o error when typing fdisk -l Nov 11 09:59:16 will try in linux when home Nov 11 10:12:02 okay, how is the n900 managing to get so much "Android is closed, Maemo is open" hype? Nov 11 10:13:08 Hi! I have a GridView and I need to set background to it? How it can be done? Nov 11 10:13:43 Hi! you need to ask in #android-dev! Nov 11 10:14:00 Leeds: Thanks Nov 11 12:56:18 Is there any easy way to get to a texteditor via terminal in android? Nov 11 12:56:45 I read that Vi is supposed to be on it, but i can't find it :P Nov 11 13:07:08 sudo vi Nov 11 13:07:12 :P Nov 11 13:10:39 gah, without su, it doesn't recognize vi but with it does ;o Nov 11 13:10:56 it still gives me a permission error though, any idea's why? Nov 11 13:12:02 nvm the file is in use, that's why... :D Nov 11 13:15:52 heh Nov 11 13:17:53 or not..it seems as if i do not have permission to even make files in certain folders. With using su infront of the cmd's, some sort of fakeroot or anything like that? Nov 11 13:56:48 ugh fucking tires Nov 11 13:57:08 got new tires Friday didn't even drive 30 miles and have. aflat Nov 11 13:57:16 ouch Nov 11 13:57:24 mikedg: you on your droid? Nov 11 13:57:28 fucking ups sucks too Nov 11 13:57:32 yeah Nov 11 13:57:41 how's the irc action? Nov 11 13:57:47 didn't pull my package Nov 11 13:57:48 * Death_Syn is jealous Nov 11 13:58:06 ircs good, someone said only freenode works tho Nov 11 13:58:14 I haven't tried anything else Nov 11 13:58:36 if ident isn't passing through, it could be a problem with some servers Nov 11 13:58:53 if you need efnet, prison.net may be your best option Nov 11 13:59:04 all I use is freed Nov 11 13:59:11 freenode now anyway Nov 11 13:59:26 aye Nov 11 13:59:28 I'm off today and its gonna be completely wasted ugh Nov 11 13:59:41 cause of this tire and ups Nov 11 14:00:08 suck Nov 11 14:00:17 yeah Nov 11 14:00:34 I don't even see a fucking nail in the tire Nov 11 14:00:53 yeowch Nov 11 14:01:38 but the valvestem caps were on so tight I don't think someone just let the air out Nov 11 14:02:51 sigh Nov 11 14:03:33 and I called ups this morning to make sure the package was ready Nov 11 14:07:21 lalala Nov 11 14:07:48 mikedg: I assume you're going to that dev labs thing? Nov 11 14:08:56 yeah Nov 11 14:08:58 u? Nov 11 14:09:09 most likely Nov 11 14:09:57 u got invite right Nov 11 14:10:14 yeah Nov 11 14:10:37 invite? Nov 11 14:10:52 LeedsHK: to the 2.0 dev lab thing Nov 11 14:11:16 yeah... you guys heard back then? Nov 11 14:11:20 yes Nov 11 14:11:30 they sent out the emails for the NYC one yesterday Nov 11 14:11:37 when is it? Nov 11 14:11:39 monday Nov 11 14:11:51 we're waiting to hear about Taipei, which is next Friday Nov 11 14:12:05 yeah, we heard back with under a week to go Nov 11 14:12:06 weak Nov 11 14:12:09 ugh just lost my todo list Nov 11 14:13:06 ..nice.. we registered also and it'll be fun if they let you know just a few days before the event :) Nov 11 14:13:07 I assume the email explained what it actually *is*? the blog post was extremely vague... Nov 11 14:13:19 LeedsHK: I'll forward you mine Nov 11 14:13:22 what's your email? Nov 11 14:13:32 thanks, appreciate it - vmlinuz at gmail Nov 11 14:14:13 sent Nov 11 14:14:24 if there's some more info about the event, could you please drop me also an email at tauntz at gmail.com? Nov 11 14:14:30 pretty please.. Nov 11 14:14:46 wow, that's it... not very communicative, are they? Nov 11 14:14:46 tauno: which event? Nov 11 14:14:50 LeedsHK: yeahhhh Nov 11 14:15:01 lab thingie Nov 11 14:15:07 tauno: right, which city? Nov 11 14:15:18 ah, they are different? London Nov 11 14:15:31 doesn't really sound like it'd be worth a couple of hundred US$ of traveling costs, at least, to get there Nov 11 14:16:10 LeedsHK: yeah, that's why I'm hesitant to go. It's a 6 hour drive each way and I frankly don't give a shit about 2.0 since they source isn't even out yet and I'm not about to jump to vzw Nov 11 14:17:07 ironically, it's closer than that for me - but it's an international flight, albeit a short one, probably a night or two in a hotel, unless I can find somewhere to bunk down - and it is on a 'work' day, and Android ain't work, yet Nov 11 14:18:05 LeedsHK: yeah, thankfully driving and food would be my only expenses, but it's still annoying. Nov 11 14:18:08 oh well Nov 11 14:18:42 on the other hand, there's unlikely to be anything official Android related and closer/more accessible at any time soon Nov 11 14:19:52 true Nov 11 14:21:10 hmm...is there a way to get the music application to index without having to unmount/remount the sd? Nov 11 14:22:00 litui: there's a tool in the cyanogen builds which pokes the indexer, not sure of any other way Nov 11 14:22:30 sweet. I'm on cyanogen... *looks for the tool* Nov 11 14:23:15 just set up some scripts to rsync my music directory using gvfs and SwiFTP Nov 11 14:24:26 Is there an easy way to make /system writable? Nov 11 14:25:15 mount / remount seems to be having some permission issues ;< Nov 11 14:28:03 oh come on, ADCII.. I just submitted a review for a game - it uninstalled it and you can guess what the next app is that I have to judge... Nov 11 14:28:46 isn't there a check that says "you have already voted for this app, we won't serve it to you anymore" ? Nov 11 14:35:49 tauno: skip it :> Nov 11 14:36:00 is it possible to remount /system to rw from within the android or must you do it from adb shell? Nov 11 14:36:24 lov, y :) Nov 11 14:36:36 great.. Market crashed with nullpointer Nov 11 14:36:51 gg Nov 11 14:37:13 Xeli: I think you can do it on the device. Nov 11 14:37:58 tauno: are you using a legit build or a custom rom Nov 11 14:38:11 legit - filing bur report at the moment Nov 11 14:38:15 bug* Nov 11 14:38:38 UK (tmo) G1 version with latest 1.6 version Nov 11 14:38:56 Do you perhaps have any idea when i do not put su infront of the command, why it does not even recognize remount, and with su it give me a permission error? Nov 11 14:42:16 noob question, I am compiling a hello word in eclipse with my phone connected and in debug mode. ADB sees the device and on the build/run it tells me that Auto Target Mode is using my phone and that my app is installed, but in my list of apps I can't find it. Is there somewhere else I should be looking? Nov 11 14:42:36 I bet Android Market would welcome this app: http://althouse.blogspot.com/2009/11/mad-magazine-artist-draws-540.html Nov 11 14:42:39 you should be asking in #android-dev Nov 11 14:43:01 Leeds: thanks Nov 11 14:43:45 perlmonkey2: as you well know - the Android Market simply wouldn't take a stance Nov 11 14:44:13 Leeds: Which is why it never occurred to me to get an iPhone :) Nov 11 14:44:24 perlmonkey2: cute Nov 11 14:44:55 But there are tons of stories about rejected iPhone apps for ridiculous reasons. Nov 11 14:46:34 Hi everyone, I have an iPhone. My question being is there anyway I can run Android on it? Nov 11 14:46:39 no Nov 11 14:46:58 no Nov 11 14:47:05 not likely Nov 11 14:47:13 certainly not with a working radio Nov 11 14:47:45 (my Market crash issue: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=4684) Nov 11 14:47:50 anyone get Cyanogen to run on a Rogers Dream? We can install AOSP just fine, but cyanogen won't boot on it. Nov 11 14:48:05 mcr: running it right now Nov 11 14:49:27 tauno: yeah, Market NPEs on me all the time. Good job, guys! Nov 11 14:50:35 thought so being the hardware difference etc. :( tbh I haven't used it much for months, apart from sms/calls. Browsed the app store the other day and its saturated with novelty crap Nov 11 14:50:54 yet great apps are getting rejected... Nov 11 14:56:02 nemeth: It's still a pretty cool phone. And there are tons of great apps for it. Nov 11 14:58:11 grrr, "phone storage space is getting low" Nov 11 14:58:23 apps2sd. Nov 11 15:01:06 truth Nov 11 15:01:11 If apps were stored on the SD card, would 2.0 fit on the Dream? Nov 11 15:01:12 I don't know how people run without apps2sd Nov 11 15:01:29 perlmonkey2: what does a unicorn taste like? Nov 11 15:01:51 KNY - we don't install every single app that catches our eye Nov 11 15:01:56 KNY: must be chicken because I've seen the demo of the sdk vm being put on the dream :D Nov 11 15:02:38 if you took the cache partition off I'm sure it would fit wonderfully Nov 11 15:03:00 "Google Navigation hacked onto T-Mobile G1" well that is some crazy news haha Nov 11 15:03:05 problem is - I'm not much of an app installer anyway.. I have just some apps that I use + some that i develop (not much.. a few MB in total) + judging adc II at the moment :( Nov 11 15:03:14 tauno: yeah Nov 11 15:03:21 vladikoff: probably not that hard to do Nov 11 15:03:25 just grab the jar files and the apk Nov 11 15:03:33 I have to root my phone for apps2sd, right? Nov 11 15:04:34 yes Nov 11 15:05:00 do not want.. :P Nov 11 15:08:16 litui, which version did you use, and what method did you use to install it? Nov 11 15:12:41 crap.. took a HTC Hero so I can test some apps without having to uninstall something from the G1.. so I booted my Hero and voila.. http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/3b7aced444a47425/e7407f8612e2e873 happened Nov 11 15:13:20 mcr: I've used it since 4.0.4, but I'm currently on 4.2.3.1. My first time, I used the hayakuro root method with the 1.22 SPL and cyanogen recovery 1.4... now I'm back to 1.33 SPL and using the Radix's EBI1 kernel for cyanogenmod. Nov 11 15:13:27 not only are the apps with the worng name/icon I can't actually launch them.. I get a classloader error Nov 11 15:13:32 ..not my day today Nov 11 15:14:28 mcr: which SPL are you using? Nov 11 15:20:16 mcr: also, you might want to ask in #cyanogenmod instead. Nov 11 15:22:39 hello Nov 11 15:23:33 I am trying to use the gears geolocation api on android with enableHighAccuracy: true but it appears the api always looks for the gps location through internet or cell id Nov 11 15:23:41 and not through gps module Nov 11 15:24:06 because the retrieved position is very inaccurate Nov 11 15:24:42 how very? =) Nov 11 15:24:57 google maps app shows the exact position and obviously works with the gps module Nov 11 15:25:09 well Nov 11 15:25:15 about 1 km Nov 11 15:25:38 bleh Nov 11 15:25:45 that doesn't sound right Nov 11 15:26:36 I've just had it tested with an application showing georeversed address from the latitude and longtitude Nov 11 15:26:42 while I was driving the town Nov 11 15:46:33 ok, twidroid is going down the drain.. too many ANRs for me Nov 11 15:48:01 I want a twidroid widget Nov 11 15:49:05 I use twidgit - has a nice widget (but I'm not a real twitter user also - I just follow some poeple to get the latest "news".. so twidgit might lack some features that real users need) Nov 11 15:49:24 I use twidgit too Nov 11 15:49:56 ok, opening ADC II app and there's a "The previous app must be uninstalled in order to continue. That should have been automatic, .." just fantastic.. nothing works on my android today :( Nov 11 15:49:58 but I wish I could use only one app Nov 11 15:50:26 the HTC Hero widget is nice Nov 11 15:50:28 tauno: like Market, ADC2 app is a pile of crap Nov 11 15:50:43 you can scroll the tweets directly in the widget Nov 11 15:53:05 hmz.. the Market crash bug that I encountered before.. I can now reproduce it also.. every time when I click the "download complete" notification, Market crashes Nov 11 15:53:26 tauno: which rom? Nov 11 15:53:38 tauno: yep Nov 11 15:53:38 DRC92 Nov 11 15:53:56 tauno: whenever I click that or "install manually" from adc2, vending crashes Nov 11 15:53:57 thanks, guys! Nov 11 15:53:58 tmo G1 (uk version), latest 1.6 OTA Nov 11 15:56:02 had that vending / market crashes too, I thought it's my fault because I use cm Nov 11 15:59:03 another note.. when you don't click on the "force close" button - it dives into an continuous loop of crashes in the background.. Nov 11 15:59:34 ugh whole fucking day is shot Nov 11 16:00:36 * lov shoots mikedg Nov 11 16:00:55 sigh Nov 11 16:01:10 ok. even with enableHighAccuracy and even on android the gears api always prefers the Cell ID geolocation over the GPS Nov 11 16:01:16 that's pretty shitty Nov 11 16:01:34 I don't fcking understand why Nov 11 16:05:42 less battery usage? Nov 11 16:06:32 even when plugged in Nov 11 16:06:55 gears can't tell if u r pluuged can it Nov 11 16:06:59 if you're plugged in, you're inside and therefor probably can't get a GPS location. Nov 11 16:07:07 therefor never use gps. Nov 11 16:07:10 eh doesn html5 support geoloc? Nov 11 16:07:13 yes I can Nov 11 16:07:35 I do well for getting indoor gps Nov 11 16:08:30 ah crap, now twidgit crashed.. really not my day Nov 11 16:09:25 my day is worse Nov 11 16:09:49 flat tire, ups lost my package, something else too I forgot bah Nov 11 16:10:01 lost your gubmint jerb? Nov 11 16:10:05 oh verizon stored was not open whne I swent Nov 11 16:10:19 no we r off today Nov 11 16:10:25 can't get fired Nov 11 16:10:31 nice Nov 11 16:12:03 anyone play with go on android? Nov 11 16:12:08 san come out to ny this monday Nov 11 16:12:17 Selar: you mean the go language or go the game? Nov 11 16:12:24 mikedg: cant busy Nov 11 16:13:18 lov, the language go Nov 11 16:13:26 and my day gets worse :( Nov 11 16:13:46 no, trying to install it now. Nov 11 16:13:54 It's soooo hard to just give binaries, even if they're out of date Nov 11 16:14:03 it's ALWAYS easy to just compile from source! Nov 11 16:14:07 that NEVER causes problems! Nov 11 16:14:11 heh Nov 11 16:14:19 does 'go' have any specific android support? Nov 11 16:14:24 i'm downloading it on f11 vm Nov 11 16:14:25 (it has arm support, that I noticed) Nov 11 16:14:38 "> arm (a.k.a. ARM); 5g,5l,5c,5a Nov 11 16:14:40 > It's got a couple of outstanding bugs but is improving. Tested against QEMU and an android phone" Nov 11 16:14:46 --- FAIL: net.TestDialError #2: "dial tcp no-such-name.google.com.:80: lookup no-such-name.google.com. on 172.21.63.5:53: server misbehaving", want match for `dial tcp no-such-name.google.com.:80: lookup no-such-name.google.com.( on .*)?: no (.*)` Nov 11 16:14:48 from: http://golang.org/doc/install.html Nov 11 16:14:50 yeah Nov 11 16:14:55 great job guys Nov 11 16:15:02 give me a version that won't compile, and tell me to compile it to try it out Nov 11 16:15:02 sure but it needs access to the api's to do anything usefull Nov 11 16:15:06 way to cause language adoption. Nov 11 16:23:04 20 people bought do not buy me lately Nov 11 16:23:05 lol Nov 11 16:23:24 how many returned it? Nov 11 16:24:29 mikedg answer your fucking pings Nov 11 16:24:35 everyone has returned it or is eligible to still Nov 11 16:24:41 pings? Nov 11 16:24:58 look in offtopic noob Nov 11 16:27:48 for whoever was asking for the source code of our port of Quake: http://code.google.com/p/glesquake Nov 11 16:28:50 romainguy: nice :) Nov 11 16:29:19 Next on the list: Crysis :) Nov 11 16:31:33 cbeust: we'll hold you to that for 2.1 Nov 11 16:31:49 make sure the battery icon is present while its open Nov 11 16:31:51 romain, I heard there bt pong floating aroun d Nov 11 16:32:28 mikedg: ? Nov 11 16:32:47 bluetooth pong from some 2.0 demo video Nov 11 16:33:39 go runs on android? cool Nov 11 16:33:43 does go have access to the full api? Nov 11 16:34:55 mikedg: it was just an android being flicked from screen to screen, IIRC Nov 11 16:35:00 Is there a way to get more languages installed? Mine only comes with english and spanish Nov 11 16:35:31 o Nov 11 16:37:18 romainguy, I'm curious, why was the original C library converted to C++ for android quake? convenience for working with in java? Nov 11 16:37:32 no Nov 11 16:37:40 will android go-nuts ? Nov 11 16:37:41 because the author is more comfortable with C++ Nov 11 16:37:44 because c++ is just plain evil Nov 11 16:37:45 and crappy Nov 11 16:37:46 :) Nov 11 16:40:22 ah, the trolls just came out Nov 11 16:41:05 well, the sentiment is trolly Nov 11 16:41:17 it will be nice to see android framework in "go", but I guess this will take time :S Nov 11 16:41:28 or ndk with go Nov 11 16:41:35 though, that's probably too much juggling Nov 11 16:41:42 so what is the best way to sync music/video to android? Nov 11 16:42:20 maennj: haha Nov 11 16:42:20 in theory is it possible for an android app, on connection to a wireless network, to fetch a page - if it meets a certain criteria then post data to it? Nov 11 16:42:33 maennj: that'll be a long time Nov 11 16:42:38 lol Nov 11 16:42:39 heh, the cliq's commercial is so much better than all the droid commercials so far Nov 11 16:43:09 yea but I think it will eventually move to go, if they want to promote their new language they will force us all to move to go Nov 11 16:43:26 just like apple developers have to deal with objective-c Nov 11 16:43:47 deal? Nov 11 16:45:01 they have to learn it so they can write for iPhone and Mac OS X Nov 11 16:45:50 ph8: uh, sure Nov 11 16:45:57 obj c is ooglyu Nov 11 16:45:59 that's a simple networking program? Nov 11 16:46:08 yeh i was just checking Nov 11 16:46:10 lol Nov 11 16:46:12 sounds easier when i write it down Nov 11 16:46:21 i want to make something that auto authenticates to this popular public wireless rubbish Nov 11 16:46:23 possibly automatically Nov 11 16:46:24 I don't know why you wouldn't know if it's possible. Nov 11 16:46:34 i sit at work on public wireless all day and get disconnected loads Nov 11 16:46:43 the only bit I was unsure of really was the hooking to a wireless connect event Nov 11 16:46:47 its possible Nov 11 16:46:48 should be a quick app hopefully Nov 11 16:46:53 hahahaha..... Nov 11 16:46:53 and save me reconnecting/losing connection all day Nov 11 16:46:58 and reauthenticating Nov 11 16:47:01 keeps killing spotify :( Nov 11 16:47:04 1 week later... Nov 11 16:47:47 can't get my trackball to scroll left anymore :( Nov 11 16:47:50 on a g1 Nov 11 16:47:57 should have washed your hands Nov 11 16:49:38 * tgz_ dies Nov 11 16:52:01 so, android 2.0 on g1 Nov 11 16:52:33 my friends are all bombarding me with stories about it recently Nov 11 16:53:13 * Disconnect is messing with the new maps, its pretty nice. Nov 11 16:53:17 f'ing pc world Nov 11 16:54:39 the voice directions are actually pretty decent too Nov 11 16:56:10 andyross: I just think you should know, every time I see your nickname I think of Andross from starfox. Nov 11 16:56:20 lol Nov 11 16:56:39 I... don't know how to respond to that. Nov 11 16:57:00 angrily? Nov 11 16:57:33 can anyone confirm/deny that the downloadable linux sdk tarball doesn't work with the moment? Nov 11 16:57:34 eat his starship Nov 11 16:57:50 confenyS Nov 11 16:58:17 I wish the blank buttons on the droid were back and home Nov 11 16:58:40 I wish for a fish, but I'm going hungry, so fuck you. Nov 11 16:59:22 * Disconnect still didn't get his pony. it was supposed to come OTA from 1.5 but all i got was a pile of some sort of brown material. Nov 11 17:01:47 Disconnect: you picked the wrong OTA. That one stands for Out The Ass Nov 11 17:26:23 hey guys.. you know the new Google beta GPS application. Is it possible to install that on the android yet? or have they even released anything but videos yet? Nov 11 17:27:23 Alien_Freak: it's not beta, and it's only for android Nov 11 17:27:30 if you're referring to google navigation in maps Nov 11 17:27:52 hmm.. they're doing a voice and turn by turn gps navigation Nov 11 17:28:06 yes, it's built into google maps in android 2.0 Nov 11 17:28:16 android 2.0 isn't open source, but that's the only thing it's for Nov 11 17:29:29 TommyBres: do you mean it's not GOING to be open source? Nov 11 17:29:35 or they haven't released the sources yet.... Nov 11 17:29:39 AbortRetryFail: i have no access to that information Nov 11 17:29:43 bah Nov 11 17:29:48 all i know is it was released on the droid on november 6th and it is not open source currently Nov 11 17:29:57 Yeah i know, i've got a Droid. Nov 11 17:29:59 very sweet... Nov 11 17:30:02 would we hope and pray that google didn't turn android into closed source? absolutely... Nov 11 17:30:09 do we have any proof it will be released? negative Nov 11 17:30:30 wow Nov 11 17:30:32 "it's not open source currently" Nov 11 17:30:35 this sounds like the last 2 releases Nov 11 17:30:35 oh I'm sure they will.. they always drag their feet when releasing Nov 11 17:30:38 pfn: right Nov 11 17:30:38 what's that supposed to mean Nov 11 17:30:43 My accelerometer seems to be majorly miscalibrated, and I think the usual "wave it in a figure eight" suggestion is pretty bogus. It seems like the sensor stores some kind of persistent data -- /data/akmd and another file. Is there any way to force the sensor to reset and clear this data without me having to root my phone? Nov 11 17:30:46 the license on all the code is GPL Nov 11 17:30:48 "oh man the source isn't out yet, I wonder if google closed sourced this without telling anyone!" Nov 11 17:30:51 lov: how does it sound like that at all? Nov 11 17:30:54 "oh man I heard this wont' run on the G1" Nov 11 17:30:55 it is open source, google has not yet released the source Nov 11 17:30:59 It's probably a matter of cleaning it up for public viewing. Nov 11 17:31:02 ^^ Nov 11 17:31:03 lov: 1.6, what phone did that come out on first? Nov 11 17:31:04 don't spread misinformation Nov 11 17:31:06 remove proprietary comments etc. Nov 11 17:31:13 pfn: it is not open source until the source is released Nov 11 17:31:21 that is not correct Nov 11 17:31:24 as I understand a lot of it involves making absolutely sure there's no proprietary code left in Nov 11 17:31:26 that's like saying "this is free, but we're selling it with this other product until we release it for free" Nov 11 17:31:45 lov: still, what phone did android 1.6 first release on? Nov 11 17:31:45 because once it's out there, it's out there. Nov 11 17:31:47 pfn: But afaik the maps app is not open source, just the rest of Android is Nov 11 17:31:52 IIRC, 1.6 was first out on the dream Nov 11 17:32:03 so WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT these past releases being rumored not to run on the dream and being out on other phones? Nov 11 17:32:11 because that was exactly what happened. Nov 11 17:32:14 if we'd all had to wait till february for 2.0 i wouldn't have a problem Nov 11 17:32:18 1.6 was announced, OTAs hadn't gone out yet Nov 11 17:32:23 but the fact that it's out on the droid and not available, that's the only problem Nov 11 17:32:25 "OH NO I BET IT WON'T WORK ON DREAM" Nov 11 17:32:27 yes, announced, but not released ANYWHERE Nov 11 17:32:50 lov: you're being stupid, it's not close to comparable... announced and not released and idiots were speculating, here it's released on one phone only and one carrier only and nowhere else Nov 11 17:33:00 TommyBres: when the 2.0 source comes out, will you stfu forever? Nov 11 17:33:19 fuck no, if it comes out a month after the droid because of an exclusivity agreement i'm going to a different OS Nov 11 17:33:21 * Falcon4ever grabs some popcorn Nov 11 17:33:34 the code is GPL... it really doesn't matter it has to be open sourced.. Nov 11 17:33:34 ok, have fun on iphone or (snicker) openmoko Nov 11 17:33:36 then i'll stfu IN HERE forever, and find a new company who's greedy and doesn't give a fuck about their community Nov 11 17:33:43 Alien_Freak: it's apache 2, not GPL. Nov 11 17:33:45 lov: lol it wouldn't be either of those, maybe webOS Nov 11 17:33:47 huge difference. Nov 11 17:33:50 None of the google proprietary stuff is open source. Nov 11 17:34:04 Gmail, Google Calendar, etc. Nov 11 17:34:06 Alien_Freak: exactly, read what lov says, it is not and does not have to be open source Nov 11 17:34:17 That's what they got on Cyanogen's case about. Nov 11 17:34:30 Actually, the calendar UI and storage are open-source. The calendar sync code isn't. Nov 11 17:34:38 AbortRetryFail: I think it's more an issue of making sure there's no errant qualcomm code, etc. Nov 11 17:34:50 ah yeah Nov 11 17:34:56 qualcomm would disown them :) Nov 11 17:35:15 most of the license is APL? interesting Nov 11 17:35:19 I always thought they went with gpl Nov 11 17:35:36 Phone manufacturers hate the GPL. Nov 11 17:35:44 everyone hates gpl in general Nov 11 17:35:48 except for communist hippies Nov 11 17:36:12 oh boy... Nov 11 17:36:15 but in reality, gpl is the best way to make money off of open source (with dual licensing schemes) Nov 11 17:36:19 GPL is great except if you want to use it for anything commercial whatsoever. Nov 11 17:36:50 especially since the official stance of RMS is "fuck you companies, you can write it yourself" Nov 11 17:36:50 lov, pretty much Nov 11 17:36:52 Google isn't trying to make money off the android OS Nov 11 17:37:07 They're trying to make money off their apps that RUN on the android OS Nov 11 17:37:35 so, back to my earlier question, what's the best way to sync media with android? Nov 11 17:37:38 well, not directly Nov 11 17:37:52 they're trying to make money off of marketing data recovered through android OS, including that received through their applications :P Nov 11 17:38:14 well, right. Nov 11 17:38:28 pfn: what do you mean sync media? Music/Movies iTunes style? Nov 11 17:38:35 AbortRetryFail, of course Nov 11 17:39:20 heh, click+drag is the best way :) Nov 11 17:39:30 I don't do that, but i imagine mounting your sdcard and using rsync might work :) Nov 11 17:39:30 is the xda-developers forum down or is it just me? http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php Nov 11 17:39:31 TommyBres, lov, the only thing that the android has going for it over the iPhone is that full open source community backing.. if they go closed source.. they'll lose the only edge they have over the iPhone Nov 11 17:39:32 USB Mass Storage FTW Nov 11 17:39:36 it'd be a stupid business move Nov 11 17:39:39 AbortRetryFail, yeah, that's pretty weak Nov 11 17:39:45 * pfn really would like itunes-like sync Nov 11 17:39:46 weak? Nov 11 17:39:49 have you ever used rsync? Nov 11 17:39:51 bah Nov 11 17:39:56 jeverling: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ Nov 11 17:39:56 i hate itunes Nov 11 17:40:05 itunes is the win for so many reasons Nov 11 17:40:08 i hate the fact that i have to use amarok for my ipod Nov 11 17:40:08 abortretryfail: everyone should hate it Nov 11 17:40:13 yet so many apple-haters hate on it Nov 11 17:40:25 needlessly Nov 11 17:40:25 pfn: i used it first version, it became progressively WORSE Nov 11 17:40:30 plus does it even have scrobbling? Nov 11 17:40:35 what's scrobbling Nov 11 17:40:40 last.fm Nov 11 17:40:46 dunno, I don't listen to last.fm Nov 11 17:40:47 Alien_Freak: it'd be complete speculation at this point to say google would take their OS to a fully closed source level Nov 11 17:40:54 oh that... Nov 11 17:40:59 pfn: neither do i, scrobbling posts what you've listened to Nov 11 17:41:02 so you can look at stats etc Nov 11 17:41:12 grindking, I don't really care about that--I get that in itunes already Nov 11 17:41:16 Alien_Freak: but i don't think it's a longshot that they could be leasing 2.0 to Verizon/Motorola in an exclusivity agreement, which would fucking piss me off just as much Nov 11 17:41:26 foobar2000 absolutely destroys itunes Nov 11 17:41:28 grindking, itunes does everything I want: rating tracks + smart playlists Nov 11 17:41:34 foobar2000 is good as an audio player Nov 11 17:41:37 TommyBres: Cool site, thanks. Nov 11 17:41:37 but no good as a media manager Nov 11 17:41:56 * pfn prefers to rate his songs and then organize said ratings into smart playlists Nov 11 17:42:04 I even do a bell-curve of sorts for a default playlist Nov 11 17:42:07 all i know is, from what i've heard the googlers aren't very happy with 2.0 not being out, and i was told it's "above their level", so that tells me it's not something like "OH THE REPO ISN'T IN SYNC AND THATS IN PROGRESS" like the bullshit we've been fed Nov 11 17:42:18 itunes lets me do that, no other media manager will Nov 11 17:42:35 (bell-curve of music ratings) Nov 11 17:42:50 nah.. the Son Ericson is due to have 2.0 iirc, so are a few sony walkmans are supposed to be based on the android 2.0 release Nov 11 17:43:01 so which one of you likes the cliq? :D Nov 11 17:43:05 Alien_Freak: no, the Xperia X10/Rachael is not supposed to have 2.0 Nov 11 17:43:11 too much stuff that's coming out is "supposed" to be based on 2.0 that I can't really see any exclusivity deal happening Nov 11 17:43:12 I'm with that on foobar2000. Nov 11 17:43:17 you're like the 3rd person to say that, but every single spec and video says otherwise Nov 11 17:43:38 I listen to music mobile far more often than I listen to music on my computer Nov 11 17:43:39 okay.. maybe I haven't kept up with the info .. Nov 11 17:43:45 so most computer-based media players are just not useful Nov 11 17:43:46 eitherways.. time will tell Nov 11 17:44:07 pfn: so why bother syncing then? Just keep all your music on your device's SDcard and back it up once in a while. Nov 11 17:44:08 according to sonyericsson.com press release: Nov 11 17:44:09 Operating system: Google™ Android Donut, version 1.6 Nov 11 17:44:22 AbortRetryFail, because the device itself is piss poor at media management Nov 11 17:44:31 e.g. track naming, rating, tagging, etc. Nov 11 17:44:43 pfn: you mean the default Music app is piss poor at media managment. Nov 11 17:44:59 AbortRetryFail, most portable music apps in general Nov 11 17:45:11 SE's media interface looks sick Nov 11 17:45:15 on the X10 that is Nov 11 17:45:39 eh. I'd just use rsync :) Nov 11 17:46:00 but i'm one of those people who LIKES the way linux on the desktop works. (no desktop, bunches of terminals etc.) Nov 11 17:46:25 yeah, rsync is just not very good for managing music Nov 11 17:46:37 You asked about syncing it, not managing it. Nov 11 17:46:45 it can keep two directories in sync very well Nov 11 17:46:49 even over slow network connections :) Nov 11 17:46:51 abortretryfail: he doesn't know how to properly organize things outside of itunes, it's very apparent Nov 11 17:47:15 grindking: ;) Nov 11 17:47:21 :D Nov 11 17:47:22 please, just because you like making life harder for yourself doesn't mean I don't know how to properly organize Nov 11 17:47:31 pfn: if you want itunes, buy an ipod. Nov 11 17:47:33 itunes and apple make my life harder Nov 11 17:47:35 especially quicktime Nov 11 17:47:38 pfn: i don't have a hard time doing it actually. Nov 11 17:47:39 logical fallacy Nov 11 17:48:03 no, that's not a logical fallacy, it's vendor lock-in. iPods work GREAT with itunes, not very well with anything else. Nov 11 17:48:38 AbortRetryFail, so how do you manage playlists of all your favorite songs? do you manually go and edit the play list every time? how about generating a 1hr playlist of said songs randomly or in least played order, or in least recently played? Nov 11 17:48:54 and yes, I have an ipod Nov 11 17:48:59 Actually, yes i do go in and manually edit hte playlist every time. Nov 11 17:49:04 however, I'd rather do away with it in the name of convergence Nov 11 17:49:13 I have an ipod touch, even Nov 11 17:49:14 and i dont ever generate 1hr playlists or anything like that. Nov 11 17:49:15 but no a2dp Nov 11 17:49:25 AbortRetryFail, I generate 1hr playlists as "sleep" music, oftentimes Nov 11 17:49:36 play the playlist for an hour and don't bother with having to turn off the music Nov 11 17:49:44 I just hand pick songs, it's not that hard. Nov 11 17:49:50 it's a waste of time Nov 11 17:49:52 or let it randomize things Nov 11 17:50:00 like pandora, I like to have things "suggested" for me Nov 11 17:50:01 nah, it doesnt take very long really. Nov 11 17:50:07 in this case, I've already gone and prerated everything Nov 11 17:50:07 Oh i hate pandora Nov 11 17:50:12 it doesn't let me skip things i can't stand Nov 11 17:50:17 yes it does Nov 11 17:50:20 because of "licensing" Nov 11 17:50:21 within limits, though Nov 11 17:50:25 yes Nov 11 17:50:30 and those limits drive me up the wall Nov 11 17:50:30 like 6 skips an hour Nov 11 17:50:33 * pfn shrugs Nov 11 17:50:35 change stations Nov 11 17:50:40 or choose better favorites Nov 11 17:50:42 <_rc_> hello room Nov 11 17:50:43 I tried imeem, that sucked Nov 11 17:50:45 im not going to sit through a tatu song i hate because i skipped the last 5 tatu songs i hate. Nov 11 17:50:56 imeem has nothing outside of pop and like 70's Nov 11 17:50:57 pfn: i use last.fm instead, it doesn't have that limit. Nov 11 17:50:58 <_rc_> i've been having trouble with the stock VPN managment Nov 11 17:51:03 <_rc_> in android 2.0 Nov 11 17:51:10 _rc_: what's the problem? Nov 11 17:51:16 pfn: lol, you know, 3 year olds with downs syndrome need things "suggested" for them too Nov 11 17:51:21 I got my pptp vpn working with relative easse. Nov 11 17:51:25 there we go with stupid attacks again Nov 11 17:51:29 stop defending poor UX Nov 11 17:51:30 s/ss/s/ Nov 11 17:51:39 stop defending manual labor Nov 11 17:51:39 US? Nov 11 17:51:41 <_rc_> can you delete or edit your vpn settings for pptp? Nov 11 17:51:42 UX?* Nov 11 17:51:46 user experience Nov 11 17:51:54 okay, umm, i don't even know what the conversation is about Nov 11 17:52:02 but saying you need songs suggested to you is absolutely stupid Nov 11 17:52:06 if you're really so uptight about user experiences, go buy a god damn iphone. Nov 11 17:52:12 if you can't pick things from your library or shuffle, you're hopeless Nov 11 17:52:13 it's got what you want. Nov 11 17:52:15 like I said, I already have an ipod touch Nov 11 17:52:20 then use it Nov 11 17:52:27 right, but oyu want it to converge with your phone Nov 11 17:52:28 TommyBres, I already explained why I'd rather not use it Nov 11 17:52:30 they did that. Nov 11 17:52:36 a2dp, right. Nov 11 17:52:43 well, you know, that's the price to pay for UX Nov 11 17:52:45 TommyBres: do you actually understand what pandora or last.fm is? Nov 11 17:53:00 pfn: http://1000awesomethings.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/no-more-tears-shampoo1.jpg Nov 11 17:53:04 no more tears ;_; Nov 11 17:53:13 seriously though. Nov 11 17:53:15 lov: yes, i've used both, i believe i still have pandora installed Nov 11 17:53:24 anyway, you people are the reason why linux remains unpopular :) Nov 11 17:53:27 so you understand that they don't just have playlists, but suggest songs you haven't heard? Nov 11 17:53:31 6 skips an hour LOLZ u dont like our music suggestions? stop listening. Nov 11 17:53:44 and it would be sad if the same remains true of android Nov 11 17:53:46 TommyBres: i did :) Nov 11 17:54:07 pfn: maybe what you need is a good mobile media player. Nov 11 17:54:08 lov: i don't care why they do, he's saying he wants songs suggested to him in his own media player because he can't pick songs or use shuffle Nov 11 17:54:17 AbortRetryFail, yes, haven't found one yet for android Nov 11 17:54:20 I was pretty pissed with my ipod nano when i found out i couldn't even delete songs from the player itself. Nov 11 17:54:25 tunewiki is kind of cool, but still rather limited Nov 11 17:54:29 AbortRetryFail, I just 1-star it and delete it later Nov 11 17:54:33 he said last.fm Nov 11 17:54:39 now all i use it for as a hard drive for my sony car stereo. Nov 11 17:54:44 AbortRetryFail, and I have all my ipod playlists filter out 1-star tracks Nov 11 17:54:46 stars? That only works with itunes Nov 11 17:54:52 which does NOT work with linux, which i run. Nov 11 17:54:53 this conversation has reminded me, i hate pandora Nov 11 17:54:54 * TommyBres uninstalls Nov 11 17:55:14 lov: he said last FM or pandora Nov 11 17:55:31 AbortRetryFail, yeah, it's a pity that there isn't another front-end to ipods that can manage all ipod functionality--and yes, I hate apple for vendor lockin Nov 11 17:55:50 Personally, i can't stand the interface of iTunes either. Nov 11 17:55:58 lov: like pandora, I like to have things "suggested" for me Nov 11 17:55:58 maybe I'll just have to go and write a media player app for android Nov 11 17:55:59 so even on my windows partition, it's not installed. Nov 11 17:56:04 i guess you're right, looks like last.fm to me :P Nov 11 17:56:12 pfn: now THAT sounds like a great solution to this problem. Nov 11 17:56:16 and actually charge a decent amount for it Nov 11 17:56:17 pfn: fantastic idea, if it's any good i'll buy it Nov 11 17:56:33 If you charge a lot it won't sell. Nov 11 17:56:51 AbortRetryFail, I'm mostly interested in it solving my problems, if it works for someone else at the price I decide to charge, cool Nov 11 17:57:00 lol Nov 11 17:57:03 I also see the android market and app store being in a horrible race to the bottom Nov 11 17:57:08 he's gonna put it up for $99, i'm gonna pirate it and rate it 1 star Nov 11 17:57:12 $1 and $2 apps aren't really sustainable Nov 11 17:57:14 if you're just interested in solving problems, why not release it for free? Nov 11 17:57:15 does ANYONE have ANY idea about the future of Cliq? like a 2.0 update ? Nov 11 17:57:25 since you're not interested in making money, just solving problems. Nov 11 17:57:26 AbortRetryFail: selfishness? Nov 11 17:57:34 spite? Nov 11 17:57:38 AbortRetryFail, because I like to be an asshole sometimes ;-) Nov 11 17:57:47 and $99 is unreasonable Nov 11 17:57:51 or better yet, if you want to be an asshole, just don't release it. Nov 11 17:57:59 use it yourself, it solved your problem. Nov 11 17:58:01 <_rc_> AbortRetryFail: have you had any trouble managing your pptp? Nov 11 17:58:02 lol Nov 11 17:58:08 <_rc_> i site this bug request: Nov 11 17:58:09 <_rc_> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=4340&can=1&q=vpn%20%20management&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Owner%20Summary%20Stars Nov 11 17:58:12 _rc_: define management. Nov 11 17:58:12 AbortRetryFail, that's not enough of an asshole Nov 11 17:58:15 AbortRetryFail: wanna take bets that he won't make a media player app? Nov 11 17:58:16 need to tease about it :p Nov 11 17:58:22 TommyBres, most likely I won't Nov 11 17:58:24 so odds are in your favor Nov 11 17:58:28 exactly Nov 11 17:58:32 I know he won't. Nov 11 17:58:50 <_rc_> AbortRetryFail: meaning, changing existing settings, or deleting VPNs that you have previously added Nov 11 17:58:53 then why are we talking about this Nov 11 17:59:03 charge $1,000,000 for the app that'll never exist, *shrug* Nov 11 17:59:24 _rc_: i did have the settings app freeze on me once while setting it up. Reboot the phone, delete that VPN, and try again. I got it on the second try. Nov 11 17:59:58 <_rc_> AbortRetryFail: that's my problem. i have no idea how i am actually supposed to delete a VPN that i have added. Nov 11 18:00:17 <_rc_> AbortRetryFail: i do not see any option anywhere to delete it Nov 11 18:00:18 Longpress on it in the VPN settings, then press Delete network Nov 11 18:00:23 * pfn wonders how doubletwist handles album art Nov 11 18:00:33 * _rc_ tries it.... brb Nov 11 18:00:35 _rc_: it might be a good idea to get acquainted with android a bit before filing bug reports. Nov 11 18:03:22 <_rc_> AbortRetryFail: wow, now i feel like an idiot. i'm usually very diligent about making sure i didn't make a mistake like this. THanks for that. i swear i've tried that several times, but you're right. it works. i was backing up skraw's bug report since i was having the same issue Nov 11 18:03:37 <_rc_> AbortRetryFail: thanks, i'm going to withdraw it :) Nov 11 18:04:34 No problem. I'm making a comment on there so people will know how to get to it. Nov 11 18:05:07 <_rc_> cool Nov 11 18:06:42 THIS is one of the reasons i got an android phone. Nov 11 18:07:37 what? Nov 11 18:07:45 my phone wont connect via usb anymore. the phone mounts the card then instantly prepares the card for the phone. Any ideas how to fix? Nov 11 18:08:20 AtomicSunset: try different USB ports? Nov 11 18:08:33 Is there a way to activate the usb mass storage capability from the command-line ? Nov 11 18:08:37 i have 3 and all 3 act the same way Nov 11 18:08:46 hm Nov 11 18:09:03 my g1 did the same thing Nov 11 18:09:14 i have successfully connected before tho Nov 11 18:09:51 what is 'THIS' about getting an android phone Nov 11 18:09:58 i however did not "safely remove" but that shouldnt destroy the connection permanently Nov 11 18:09:59 that it has a weird, inconsistent UI? heh Nov 11 18:10:12 pfn: i asked, he didnt respond Nov 11 18:10:26 the UI is inconsistent? how so Nov 11 18:10:41 too many roms to choose from :P Nov 11 18:10:48 lol Nov 11 18:11:22 hey all, i have a motorola dext (cliq in the usa i think) and when i send a text (sms) to several people, it manages to send it to the first few people but then it goes mental and tells me it failed to send it to everyone else. any ideas on what i can do to fix this? sorry if i'm in the wrong place to ask Nov 11 18:11:58 Slasher`: errr that uses a different messaging app correct? Nov 11 18:12:11 i have no idea lol Nov 11 18:12:11 has anyone had a problem where droid will show upstream traffic but no downstream? Nov 11 18:12:20 i've tried the default one and a different one from the market Nov 11 18:12:30 and it does the same thing in both? Nov 11 18:12:34 yep Nov 11 18:12:43 that's weird. Nov 11 18:12:56 you try getting a lolcat? Nov 11 18:13:06 handcent sms is what i usually use nowdays Nov 11 18:13:13 damn it! i switched usb ports, windows popped up an explorer window and then instantly tells me to insert disc! Nov 11 18:13:15 but the other one "text messages" does the same thing Nov 11 18:13:52 I have command-line access only to my G1 and I need to use the sd card in the as a usb mass storage device on my computer, but I need to know what the command-line command is to enable that so that I could put the proper firmware on the phone so that I could restore it Nov 11 18:13:55 according to my task manager its called "text messaging" lol Nov 11 18:14:00 lol AtomicSunset owned Nov 11 18:14:06 <_rc_> AbortRetryFail: what was one of the reasons for you to get an android phone? Nov 11 18:14:26 yeah but wtf is causing this? Nov 11 18:16:59 i crashed my handcent sms app lol Nov 11 18:17:06 by trying to re-send all messages unsent haha Nov 11 18:18:19 ownt Nov 11 18:18:28 -afk food Nov 11 18:25:36 quit Nov 11 18:25:43 k. im gonna throw this thing throw my monitor now Nov 11 18:27:28 <_rc_> i'm itching to be able to use openvpn on android 2.0 Nov 11 18:39:39 So i have this network, right? It uses 802.1x encryption from the school. my Droid is seeing this network but thinking its WEP. if i create a network with same SSID it says "Not in Range" Nov 11 18:39:43 any ideas? Nov 11 18:39:51 mikedg-blau: emailmesupersilent. Nov 11 18:41:54 * TommyBres gives channel God status to ctate Nov 11 18:42:27 the implication that you have it to grant is .. curious. Nov 11 18:42:39 ctate: i'm andy rubin's cousin, you didn't know? Nov 11 18:42:54 heh Nov 11 18:43:38 ctate: i'm petitioning for +o in #android, sign my petition? Nov 11 18:44:22 haha Nov 11 18:44:23 sick, thanks Nov 11 18:44:26 ctate: San wouldn't help me come up with a question to confirm some rumors. He's mean. You're nice, right? :p Nov 11 18:44:41 oh, extremely :) Nov 11 18:44:51 +% is cooler than +o Nov 11 18:44:57 false Nov 11 18:44:59 * ctate makes sure his hat is concealing his little horns Nov 11 18:45:03 * bnovc has never been +% anywhere but has had +o in plenty of places Nov 11 18:45:13 ctate: good. help me come up with a question to ask you, to let you confirm/deny a rumor without confirming/denying it :P Nov 11 18:45:18 was ist denn +% ? Nov 11 18:45:22 * TommyBres has +o in one google channel and +b almost everywhere else Nov 11 18:45:25 Qwell: ha ha ha Nov 11 18:45:26 +q Nov 11 18:45:37 * pfn ponders trying songbird Nov 11 18:45:39 +% is half-op Nov 11 18:45:42 ctate: it doesnt let you speak Nov 11 18:45:54 I don't even really know what it allows. I think maybe kick and not ban. No one ever uses it Nov 11 18:46:04 and efnet doesn't have it Nov 11 18:46:08 bnovc: it isn't supported by a lot of IRCDs Nov 11 18:46:13 efnet doesn't have a lot of things Nov 11 18:46:21 like intelligent people Nov 11 18:46:21 like heterosexual users :O Nov 11 18:46:27 o_O Nov 11 18:46:28 * TommyBres ^5's bnovc Nov 11 18:46:42 (but i do hang out in a couple efnet channels often) Nov 11 18:46:49 so i'm the 1 exception! :D Nov 11 18:46:59 i have a few on auto-join, i rarely speak in them Nov 11 18:47:43 ctate: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/09/exclusive-google-has-acquired-gizmo5/ is what I'm referring to btw Nov 11 18:48:02 #include Nov 11 18:48:23 yeah, yeah. that's why you're supposed to help me come up with a question! :) Nov 11 18:49:51 ctate: it would be more fun if you just made things up though Nov 11 18:49:51 Qwell: try asking "ctate, how are you doing today?" Nov 11 18:49:55 that's about the extent of it Nov 11 18:50:09 bnovc: yes but down that path lies madness Nov 11 18:50:13 and probably unemployment Nov 11 18:50:16 perhaps they are going to use it for communication between their robot army Nov 11 18:50:22 heh Nov 11 18:50:42 bnovc: I thought that's what their recent partnership with vzw was all about Nov 11 18:50:42 google probably has enough information about me to kill me off and replace me with a robot Nov 11 18:50:51 hah Nov 11 18:50:51 because we know it sure wasn't about openness Nov 11 18:51:00 KNY: your mom's legs are about openness Nov 11 18:51:04 wooo! Nov 11 18:51:14 bnovc: a friend recently asked "How did Google even get my contact info?" I couldn't help but laugh. Nov 11 18:51:25 lol Nov 11 18:51:33 google could get my blood type if they wanted Nov 11 18:51:46 they already HAVE it Nov 11 18:51:52 DUH, IN THE ARCHIVES Nov 11 18:51:59 right next to my search history and my latitude location Nov 11 18:52:03 TommyBres: be afraid if you ever get ads for a new kidney Nov 11 18:52:06 and my phone number, and my contacts list Nov 11 18:52:14 LOL QWELL!!! Nov 11 18:52:34 * TommyBres adds Qwell to friends list Nov 11 18:52:42 hmm, maybe I should turn off adblock+ for my health Nov 11 18:52:50 haha Nov 11 19:06:17 any news on snow leopard support for android source ? Nov 11 19:06:46 maennj: it's in progress. There are a submissions in AOSP that should enable it, but we still need to test them. Nov 11 19:07:35 jbq: cool thanks, will you update the http://source.android.com/download page or post in blog once it's complete? Nov 11 19:07:47 Probably Nov 11 19:13:34 95 people Nov 11 19:13:36 yayyy server splits Nov 11 19:13:50 netsplit ftlll Nov 11 19:19:09 at least there's still 95 peeps Nov 11 19:19:16 i'm alone in other rooms Nov 11 19:35:08 http://phandroid.com/2009/11/11/designer-photo-frame-runs-android-costs-620/ Nov 11 19:38:24 http://media.boygeniusreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/droid-traffic.jpg Nov 11 19:39:46 damn, thats a lot of iphones Nov 11 19:39:56 TommyBres: is that for mobile browsers only? Nov 11 19:40:12 yeah Nov 11 19:40:23 well, it's not necessarily a lot of iphones, kinda misleading Nov 11 19:40:39 i think anyways... it's amount of traffic going to those phones Nov 11 19:40:43 i'm guessing everything else is a bunch of individual browser's whose marketshare is <1.49% ? Nov 11 19:41:02 oh, right, that makes more sense Nov 11 19:41:07 so if you had a browser that views a full webpage instead of the mobile version wouldnt it show more traffic? Nov 11 19:41:20 or maybe they went by amount of hits, idk Nov 11 19:41:31 sure, but unless i'm mistaken, there's more iphone-ready websites than android-ready Nov 11 19:41:42 even if the android browser lets you pretend to be an iphone browser Nov 11 19:41:43 probably Nov 11 19:42:02 but who knows if 2.0 uses more data than 1.6, i dont know Nov 11 19:42:13 i just find it hard to believe that 25% of android phones visiting those sites are droids Nov 11 19:42:47 maybe they visit more pages? Nov 11 19:53:37 anyone using the new sdk in linux? ... I'm having difficulties getting it to install packages Nov 11 19:55:13 jschindler: i never got it to work Nov 11 19:55:24 something about not being able to uncompress files or something Nov 11 19:56:32 How do I prevent my device from using NTP to get the current date? Nov 11 19:56:45 I'm trying to test something, and I set the date to 10 days in the future, but it gets reset right away Nov 11 19:56:52 I've disabled the "automatic" checkbox in date & time settings Nov 11 19:58:20 disable networking? :) Nov 11 19:58:24 :| Nov 11 19:58:30 I'm testing something networking related as well Nov 11 19:59:07 When I go to 'Available Packages' and select the repository, it says it can't connect via SSL and suggests that I force through http in 'Settings' ... I go to 'Settings' and select the 'force https://' check box and select 'Save & Apply' go back to 'Available Packages' and get the same error. If I exit and re-start the manager, my setting is gone. Nov 11 19:59:25 It is like it doesn't have write permissions or something... but it does... Nov 11 19:59:34 i'm getting similar issues, but since 2.0 isn't available for t-mo g1 Nov 11 19:59:42 i don't care about 2.0, and i'll stick to 1.6 in the meantime Nov 11 20:00:18 can anyone tell me how to bring down rmnet0 so the browser will use usb0? Nov 11 20:02:04 20:53:53 New peak in #android@freenode : 582 Nov 11 20:02:05 :o Nov 11 20:07:25 romainguy: you around? Nov 11 20:07:59 doh it's lunch there Nov 11 20:08:30 free this free that Nov 11 20:10:27 what is OSS used for on the droid? the sound driver? Nov 11 20:10:35 I mean why oss Nov 11 20:12:08 tmzt: the entire kernel is OSS Nov 11 20:12:21 and bluez Nov 11 20:12:39 cuz when you throw away everything and start from scratch, sometimes you don't have time to reimplement bluetooth from scratch Nov 11 20:12:52 summatusmentis: yeah, not what I mean Nov 11 20:12:58 open sound system Nov 11 20:13:40 tmzt: ooh, I read that out of context, you said "free this free that" above, and I assumed you were wondering why open source Nov 11 20:13:44 apologies :) Nov 11 20:21:06 I'm trying to build AOSP, the donut branch, but it looks like its missing the classpath of my jdk installation, since it is complaining that com.sun.javadoc does not exist Nov 11 20:21:24 I have tried setting CLASSPATH to the lib/tools.jar (where that package is), but it did not help Nov 11 20:21:28 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheBoyGeniusReport/~3/KVUv_5ZMJt4/ Nov 11 20:21:47 summatusmentis: no, google voice/gizmo5 and the airport wifi thing Nov 11 20:22:14 tmzt: ah. Like I said, out of context Nov 11 20:22:16 my bad Nov 11 20:25:14 brb Nov 11 20:30:37 woot... now got a rather messy set of scripts that takes my Android rhythmbox playlist, exports it to a directory of symlinks, and uses gvfs and rsync to synchronize the directories over ftp to SwiFTP on my LAN. Nov 11 20:32:03 er SwiFTP on my phone over my LAN Nov 11 20:34:40 that sounds pretty complex Nov 11 20:35:55 keny: I'd bet that you're using some open-source alternative to the real Java, and the Android build requires a true Java 1.5. Nov 11 20:38:59 pfn: I wanted to avoid having to unmount the SD. It might be quicker to use ADB to transfer the files, but rsync is handy for avoiding rewriting the same stuff if it's already copied. Nov 11 20:43:25 hmm, latitude isn't quite in the right place Nov 11 20:44:19 * pfn ponders trying songbird with foldersync for android Nov 11 20:45:38 is anyone using an HTC Hero? is it worthwhile? Nov 11 20:47:10 jbq, I downloaded jdk 1.5.0_22 from sun.com Nov 11 20:48:02 I manually installed it, since I am using ubuntu karmic, and 1.5 is now deprecated. So I just tried to point my environment variables to the 1.5 version Nov 11 20:48:17 i cannot believe the lack of support for activesync policies... Nov 11 20:48:27 im going back to sms alerts. Nov 11 20:49:22 bmusson_, are you the guy that was yesterday trying to do services with the new sync api ? Nov 11 20:49:52 yes, and my colleagues slapped my hand when i wanted to put the phone on their activesync. Nov 11 20:50:09 blech... yeah, work policy won't let you sync... blaaaah Nov 11 20:50:09 bmusson_: activesync policies are kind of windows-specific Nov 11 20:50:37 true Nov 11 20:50:41 I'm troubleshooting ActiveSync on my mailserver right now to try and get my Droid working with push mail from exchange. Nov 11 20:50:57 bmusson_: so the security policies they want to impose on your phone would only work with Windows Mobile anyways. Nov 11 20:51:24 and iPhone Nov 11 20:51:33 it works on them? Nov 11 20:51:35 really? Nov 11 20:51:37 yeah Nov 11 20:51:58 so i feel f[_]cked. Nov 11 20:52:13 SMS is fine with me, though. Nov 11 20:52:14 bmusson_: it's been out for what? 5 days? Nov 11 20:52:23 security? windows mobile? Nov 11 20:52:29 yes i was looking at the ota stuff they released. Nov 11 20:52:31 ActiveSync support on Android Nov 11 20:52:37 and my problems are not addressed. Nov 11 20:52:45 bmusson_: are they reported? Nov 11 20:52:51 however google code bugzilla is full of them Nov 11 20:52:56 linky? Nov 11 20:53:21 http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=4475 Nov 11 20:54:01 lol "industry standards" Nov 11 20:54:08 I run exchange and i don't consider it industry standard. Nov 11 20:54:45 Does Android even support a password screen lock? Nov 11 20:54:56 no they dont Nov 11 20:55:07 So this is really impossible to implement isn't it? Nov 11 20:55:10 enjoy :) Nov 11 20:55:16 haha Nov 11 20:55:24 i hate you. Nov 11 20:55:29 Google could take the RIM route and release an ANDROID ENTERPRISE SERVER Nov 11 20:55:35 that requires them to build yet another server Nov 11 20:55:38 and buy licensing Nov 11 20:55:42 and maintain it. Nov 11 20:55:49 VM's baby. Nov 11 20:55:53 I've got BES here and it's a fucking pain in the ass Nov 11 20:55:59 bmusson_: VM or not, you still have to manage it. Nov 11 20:56:17 true Nov 11 20:56:18 and god forbid your IT director comes up with the bright idea of "Oh, just install it on the Exchange server" Nov 11 20:56:27 lucky for me idont have to do any of that Nov 11 20:56:29 At least i got a new exchange server out of that deal ;) Nov 11 20:56:44 what's the difference between a vm and a self contained application? Nov 11 20:56:55 vm contains the os too. Nov 11 20:57:17 tmzt: vm as in virtual machine, it's a whole server, with all the same setup and managment as a real server, minus the hardware. Nov 11 20:57:21 yes, but why? Nov 11 20:57:23 hi. my dad just got the mytouch 3g. what options are there to track it if it gets lost Nov 11 20:57:31 what do you need a kernel for when you have containers? Nov 11 20:57:42 devslash, check out wheres my droid Nov 11 20:57:46 tmzt: tell that to Windows Server 2003 R2 Nov 11 20:58:01 devslash, you basically sms text it and it starts rininging for about 5 minutes. Nov 11 20:58:06 and why do you need to emulate hardware even in para-virtualized servers? Nov 11 20:58:18 That's a discussion for another channel. Nov 11 20:58:38 imo i'd rather pitch exchange and switch to Gmail :) Nov 11 20:59:02 we kind of discuss mobile stuff here, particularly when android is involved Nov 11 20:59:21 wave federation and client api Nov 11 20:59:25 tmzt: you're not talking about mobile stuff, you're talking about server virtualization. Nov 11 20:59:40 00:35 < AbortRetryFail> Google could take the RIM route and release an ANDROID ENTERPRISE SERVER Nov 11 20:59:41 but then again, neither am i. I'm talking about exchange activesync Nov 11 20:59:57 my exchange server: m.google.com :) Nov 11 21:00:05 tmzt: in order to make push-email work for android, because that's what RIM does. Nov 11 21:00:15 push email does work with android Nov 11 21:00:33 tmzt: only if Exchange ActiveSync is enabled, working, and has no requirement for security policies. Nov 11 21:00:35 arm9 wakes up arm11 when data arrives Nov 11 21:00:56 the ethernet driver wakes up the kernel Nov 11 21:01:03 WOL Nov 11 21:01:08 yes Nov 11 21:01:11 essentially Nov 11 21:01:20 I was looking at rmnet yesterday again Nov 11 21:01:22 * AbortRetryFail sigh Nov 11 21:01:43 nevermind, i'm going to go back to messing with my exchange server. Nov 11 21:01:44 Droid is very broken, it's an ezx phone Nov 11 21:01:57 what's ezx supposed to mean? Nov 11 21:01:57 the wakeup logic on that thing is insanly complicated Nov 11 21:01:58 I installed the turn-by-turn navigation on my CyanogenMod 4.2.3.1, but Google Voice doesn't load anymore even after re-install it Nov 11 21:02:04 ezx is the old motorola phones Nov 11 21:02:11 with cpu and radio seperated Nov 11 21:02:28 they communicate over a combination of serial and usb and handshaking gpios Nov 11 21:02:29 ok. The problems that bmusson_ and i have nothing to do with that. Nov 11 21:02:35 from what I can see Droid is the same way Nov 11 21:02:41 no, of course not Nov 11 21:02:44 what is the issue? Nov 11 21:03:05 the issue is, there is no exchange policuies for activesync for these phones. Nov 11 21:03:12 hence, no corporate email. Nov 11 21:03:22 for me: exchange activesync requires NTLM on the Exchange virtual directory, which breaks OWA. Nov 11 21:03:34 and he just told you his problem. Nov 11 21:03:34 who is using OWA? Nov 11 21:03:41 I thought this was airsync protocol Nov 11 21:03:43 with ISA Nov 11 21:03:45 tmzt: 80% of my userbase Nov 11 21:04:00 any reason why ntlm is missing in the ssl library? Nov 11 21:04:06 (yes I know it's not ntlm) Nov 11 21:04:06 no, it's Exchange Server ActiveSync Nov 11 21:04:08 not ssl Nov 11 21:04:27 and the ntlm is required for exchange to talk to exchange. the problem exists entirely within the server. Nov 11 21:04:35 skyred: #android-root Nov 11 21:04:38 if i turn on NTLM auth, the droid syncs fine, and 80% of my users can't log into webmail. Nov 11 21:04:56 what? Nov 11 21:05:11 tmzt, thanks Nov 11 21:06:44 i sincerely hope that my (and hundreds if not thousands of other people's) issue wll be resolved soon. Nov 11 21:07:00 at least give me the freakin option to use a text password and not a squiggily connect 4. Nov 11 21:07:02 android works with NTLM? Nov 11 21:07:06 OWA doesn't? Nov 11 21:07:11 what browser? Nov 11 21:07:17 what's wrong with connect4? heh Nov 11 21:07:24 I see that as a common complaint Nov 11 21:07:36 in IIS, if i turn on "Integrated Windows authentication" (NTLM auth) on the "Exchange" virtual directory on the Exchange server, then ActiveSync can work. Nov 11 21:07:38 it seems much more secure than a password, and probably easily remembered Nov 11 21:07:41 if you connect more than 4 dots Nov 11 21:07:45 companies dont like it. pfn Nov 11 21:08:02 and why does that break OWA? Nov 11 21:08:06 pfn: it doesn't fit into microsoft's AD password policies. Nov 11 21:08:27 tmzt: because my users log into the terminals with a generic login that has no exchange mailbox, then they use webmail with basic auth to access their own mailboxes. Nov 11 21:08:38 how can AD password policies apply to a device not under its management Nov 11 21:08:42 with NTLM on, they dont get prompted for their username/password and instead just get Access Denied Nov 11 21:08:47 don't most browsers support NTLM now? Nov 11 21:08:54 or you mean they aren't on the domain at all? Nov 11 21:09:02 tmzt: that's the problem, they DO support NTLM Nov 11 21:09:20 but NTLM doesn't properly fall back to a password prompt on Windows XP and above when it fails. Nov 11 21:09:57 On a machine such as my linux box, or my android phone, or one of the Macs, it's fine, they just get a password prompt. Nov 11 21:10:47 The problem on Exchange's side is that Server ActiveSync won't work unless Exchange can talk to itself through the /Exchange/ virtual directory, and in order to do that, it wants NTLM. Nov 11 21:10:59 http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd439375.aspx Nov 11 21:11:29 Right now i'm trying to work around the issue with another virtual host and another Web Site in IIS Nov 11 21:11:33 so far, no luck. Nov 11 21:12:26 lol the little android smileys in Gtalk are cute. Nov 11 21:13:04 Can someone coerce Google into making an appropriate Google Docs app? Nov 11 21:13:45 Zencyde: big corporations with big money might be able to. Nov 11 21:14:36 Eventually we'll have to implement ZUIs into smart phones to make them functional with actual day to day work, I figure. Wonder when Google will finally put that in. Nov 11 21:23:34 can we connect the G1 as modem ? to ubuntu? Nov 11 21:23:51 to send/receieve SMS via AT commands Nov 11 21:24:28 i just bought the range extender from verizon Nov 11 21:24:37 my apartment gets 0... ZERO reception Nov 11 21:24:49 and im pissed that it wont boost the evdo Nov 11 21:25:27 Hi ya Nov 11 21:29:03 I thought the range extender only routes the calls over wifi? unless there's something else? Nov 11 21:29:33 That's what i thought too. Nov 11 21:29:47 or rather "broadband" Nov 11 21:29:59 and in that case, might as well just fallback on to wifi Nov 11 21:33:30 YoYo-Away, do you know of the spindocs? Nov 11 21:41:14 you know what's funny, google maps on my ipod touch shows my location more accurately than maps does on my droid Nov 11 21:41:27 pfn: is GPS turned on? Nov 11 21:41:31 hey everyone Nov 11 21:41:37 my droid with wifi and gps enabled shows me about .5mi east of my current location Nov 11 21:41:44 while my ipod touch shows the exact location spot-on Nov 11 21:41:54 and my ipod touch is 1g, so it's using skyhook only Nov 11 21:42:00 do you know if they are going to update the droid eris to 2.0? Nov 11 21:42:12 My Tattoo gets withing about 2m of my loction Nov 11 21:42:16 *location Nov 11 21:42:17 randi2kewl, don't know, don't care, probably Nov 11 21:42:25 cbeust, kinda sad, don't you think... heh Nov 11 21:42:27 pfn: the location on my droid is pretty bad until the GPS syncs up Nov 11 21:42:54 it should still be decent with skyhook Nov 11 21:43:18 wtf is that? the cell-tower triangulation technique? Nov 11 21:43:27 no, wifi ap triangulation Nov 11 21:43:34 oh god that's awful Nov 11 21:43:44 it has been spot-on for me in california Nov 11 21:44:16 that depends a LOT on antenna polarization, directionality, and what kind of obstructions you've got Nov 11 21:44:19 it consistently shows the wrong location for me at home Nov 11 21:44:23 AbortRetryFail, not quite Nov 11 21:44:44 (it = droid) Nov 11 21:44:46 explain Nov 11 21:44:50 skyhook consistently shows the correct location Nov 11 21:45:00 with your ipod? Nov 11 21:45:18 AbortRetryFail, well, I suppose it depends a lot on antenna directionality, but most wifi antennas are pretty much omnidirectional in mobile devices Nov 11 21:45:21 yes, on my ipod Nov 11 21:45:38 pfn: it also depends on the antenna directionality and polarization on the AP's as well. Nov 11 21:45:46 AbortRetryFail, not so of the AP Nov 11 21:45:52 and most mobile devices wifi antennas are polarized pretty weird because of how they're designed. Nov 11 21:46:00 skyhook works by measuring the "mesh" of signals at any given location Nov 11 21:46:21 signals dont mesh Nov 11 21:46:37 they most certainly do Nov 11 21:46:45 ok, ssids, then Nov 11 21:46:48 and if the AP has a directional antenna pointing away from you or is 90 degrees out of phase with your phone's antenna, they're going to seem a LOT weaker than they should be Nov 11 21:46:50 ssid, and signal strength for each Nov 11 21:46:52 and thus farther away. Nov 11 21:47:02 it doesn't measure by signal strength with 1 particular ssid Nov 11 21:47:07 unless you're in the boonies and have no ssid Nov 11 21:47:12 I know, it depends on a lot of them Nov 11 21:47:36 the directionality of the AP isn't important Nov 11 21:47:39 it also depends on whatever database it uses having accurate locations for the source of all those SSID's (actually BSSID would be more useful) Nov 11 21:47:43 but the directionality of the mobile antenna is Nov 11 21:48:03 AbortRetryFail, their business model relies on them having wardriven pretty much everywhere Nov 11 21:48:13 google probably could have easily done this as part of streetview and gathering their map data Nov 11 21:48:18 instead of relying on skyhook Nov 11 21:48:35 google maps on android doesn't use skyhook afaik Nov 11 21:48:46 it uses the OS's location data, which is GPS or cell-tower based. Nov 11 21:48:56 so the cell tower triangulation must suck ass Nov 11 21:49:05 it does Nov 11 21:49:12 especially if there's objects in the way Nov 11 21:49:42 mine shows me being about a mile south of where i am until it gets a GPS lock, then it's pretty much spot on. Nov 11 21:50:00 gps is nigh unusable indoors Nov 11 21:50:21 Why would you need it indoors? Nov 11 21:50:28 AbortRetryFail, latitude updates Nov 11 21:50:36 oh that thing lol Nov 11 21:50:37 geotagging pictures Nov 11 21:50:57 well, it would be nice if it offered a method to correct it when it's wrong. Nov 11 21:51:05 it's interesting that gmaps on android doesn't use wifi... then why do so many location-aware apps ask for wifi to be turned on Nov 11 21:51:11 basically move the location marker and tell it: No, i'm here. Nov 11 21:51:40 pfn: i said afaik, as far as i know. I'm not exactly an authorative source of information on how google wrote software X. Nov 11 21:51:44 I just got this phone last week. Nov 11 21:52:14 indeed, so did I Nov 11 21:52:31 * pfn plugs in his ipod to listen to music :( Nov 11 22:01:30 Well i found a workaround for the ActiveSync thing. Nov 11 22:03:31 hi Nov 11 22:03:53 hi Nov 11 22:04:30 i am scratching my head about something for quite some hours now... View.inflate crashes when used in overridden ArrayAdapter getView .. i am using the 2.0 SDK, is there anything changed? Nov 11 22:04:39 or how should i get the view from the XML now? Nov 11 22:05:48 atla: #android-dev Nov 11 22:05:59 oh Nov 11 22:06:01 damn :) Nov 11 22:23:11 woot Push IMAP support in K9 mail now. Nov 11 22:24:34 litui: oh no! Now my phone will get my email before my computer does! Nov 11 22:25:50 litui: oh god, there goes my productivity Nov 11 22:26:01 that already happens to me with android gmail vs desktop gmail :) Nov 11 22:28:24 180 euros for a used dev phone... fair? Nov 11 22:31:41 mmm... imap push. That's slick. Nov 11 22:32:32 imap supports "push" intrinsically... Nov 11 22:32:38 as part of the IDLE command Nov 11 22:32:43 sure Nov 11 22:32:54 but not all imap implementations support idle Nov 11 22:33:02 all the ones that we care to use, probably Nov 11 22:33:45 the imap client that came with android didn't (not sure about today) Nov 11 22:33:50 my tools folder is missing the aidl compiler, does anyone have an idea where it is? Nov 11 22:34:07 platform//tools Nov 11 22:34:07 ? Nov 11 22:34:42 shi- for some reason i decided not to look there Nov 11 22:34:48 :( Nov 11 22:34:56 thanks Nov 11 22:35:00 np :) Nov 11 22:35:42 * Disconnect tried the navigation otw home today. 100x better than copilot. faster, doesn't require that it be the only app running, etc. Nov 11 22:36:42 Disconnect: on a droid? Nov 11 22:36:44 or g1? Nov 11 22:37:19 g1 Nov 11 22:37:52 even flipped into gmail and it announced upcoming turns still, and flipped back -instantly- instead of taking 2 minutes. and rerouting was so fast it was almost unnoticable. Nov 11 22:37:54 nice Nov 11 22:38:02 yeah Nov 11 22:38:05 its a great app Nov 11 22:38:06 awesome Nov 11 22:38:14 navigation works on g1, that's a pretty bling upgrade, heh Nov 11 22:38:21 so it doesn't even need 2.0 apis Nov 11 22:38:29 I'm kinda down on the droid keyboard, I'm quite fond of the g1's and it seems like the droid's is a big downgrade... and the maps is the one compelling reason Nov 11 22:38:33 How do you set the name of a ringtone or notification or alarm? Ringdroid does it somehow and the name that shows up in the pick list is different than the name on the filesystem. I am asking because while Ringdroid is a great program it can't amplify audio if the section that you want is quiet. So I have been using audacity on the computer. I the ones I create on the PC to have a different name show up in the pick list thatn what is on Nov 11 22:38:33 the sdcard. Nov 11 22:38:34 it managed to say "take exit 13-a-b-c, then bear left for b-c, then take c to the science and tech center" understandably and with reasonable directions (yes, the exit is a pita to describe. it succeeded.) Nov 11 22:38:55 nice Nov 11 22:39:02 that's one thing the tomtom is pretty good at Nov 11 22:39:19 and the garmin's are not Nov 11 22:39:37 its a big change for me Nov 11 22:39:42 I'm used to using google maps on my iphone Nov 11 22:39:52 which is basically just like having a dynamic roadmap Nov 11 22:40:04 screws some other stuff up still (eg google voice) cuz you have to muck up build props to claim sdk3/droid/etc Nov 11 22:40:22 * spikebike found the xda threads, but not where to actually download the files Nov 11 22:40:24 traffic was as accurate as google traffic ever was (not bad) Nov 11 22:40:31 heh Nov 11 22:40:36 spikebike: top of the brainstorm thread, link to rapidshare or some such Nov 11 22:40:43 I just wish Google would get around do to doing streetview here Nov 11 22:40:51 traffic -display- is a million times better. shows the route (foreshortened) in traffic colors Nov 11 22:41:04 I sware central / south central PA is totally devoid of any streetview data Nov 11 22:41:26 that reminds me. when i arrived, it showed streetview. (pointed down the road rather than at destination, btu still.. combine it with the compass view and it'd be augmented reality again) Nov 11 22:41:26 ah found a mediafire.com link for navigation.zip (2.65mb) Nov 11 22:41:30 Disconnect: does it route around traffic? Nov 11 22:41:38 xkahn: haven't tried Nov 11 22:41:57 anyone know how Ringdroid gets a different name to show up in the ringtone pick list than what is in /media/audio/ringtones? I would like to do this for ringtones I make without ringdroid. Nov 11 22:42:27 probably id3 info Nov 11 22:42:34 but the source is out there, you could check Nov 11 22:44:50 pfn: the stock android imap client was balls when I used it... even without imap push K9 Mail was better. Nov 11 22:44:50 * pfn twiddles thumbs for powersupport to make an anti-glare film for the droid Nov 11 22:45:04 litui, in what aspects? I'm curious Nov 11 22:45:42 pfn: the most annoying piss-off for me was that upon exiting a message it would return to the folder list view and I could not for the life of me fix it. Nov 11 22:45:46 it used to (back in 1.0/1.1) send emails at random while you were composing them Nov 11 22:48:54 pfn: this wouldn't have been so bad except that re-entering the folder it would reload the message list from the server. Nov 11 22:49:42 at least I assume that's what it was doing... too slow to have been loading headers from a db IMHO. Nov 11 22:49:46 litui, I think that's been changed in 2.0 at least Nov 11 22:49:50 dunno about before Nov 11 22:51:21 that's good... I'll probably stick with K9 mail until I have a good reason to ditch it though. It's much more configurable than the stock client was too (can set folders to different priority levels and such) Nov 11 22:53:39 k9 adds the ability to move messages into folders Nov 11 22:53:39 hmm, it'd be nice if there were a scp program for android Nov 11 22:53:44 pretty much a must have for me Nov 11 22:53:46 I don't seem to have sftp setup on my ipod Nov 11 22:53:56 * pfn wanted to transfer from some stuff from ipod to android directly Nov 11 22:53:58 at the very least, good for putting messages in the spam folder Nov 11 22:54:37 also, it wins for Dr. Who reference. Nov 11 22:59:06 can someone please tell me how to use aidl.exe Nov 11 22:59:39 hmm, can I make gmail bounce an email instead of just bitbucketing it? Nov 11 23:00:06 I can't seem to get it to unsubscribe from a mailing list--so my next solution is to let the message bounce Nov 11 23:00:11 and hope the mailing list owner figures it out Nov 11 23:00:39 pfn: no, but you can send it directly to trash :/ Nov 11 23:00:53 pfn: set a filter to forward it back to the list's address if you know who it's coming from =) Nov 11 23:01:05 evil Nov 11 23:01:08 that should get you removed fast =) Nov 11 23:02:52 i use google apps with catchall turned on and a new email address for anything (mailing list, ebay, paypal, etc) and as soon as one is trouble, I turn it into a mailing list with no recipients so it bounces Nov 11 23:03:04 not that it helps you in this case, but maybe in the future :) Nov 11 23:03:20 Disconnect, hmm... just made one with Ringdroid and no id3info in the .mp3 file Nov 11 23:03:39 btw gamefly sold or lost my email address to spammers, luckily it was gamefly@ and i make it bounce Nov 11 23:06:31 hrm, I should enable wildcard, too. I create an alias each time and remove it if compromised or unsubcribe process is annoying Nov 11 23:07:21 I don't bounce anything... no reason to pollute the interwebs with more crap mail. Nov 11 23:12:41 bouncing is the only way to let the spammer know they have lost, although a bounce email goes out, the spammer knows that it was rejected by the smtp error message Nov 11 23:13:12 and the bounce email (at least with google) doesnt contain anything at all from the original spam email Nov 11 23:16:12 most spam senders are fradulent anyway. Sending bounces in 90% of the cases on our corporate servers results in more bounces. We've made that mistake before =) Nov 11 23:16:32 err fraudulent Nov 11 23:16:53 most of mine seem to be to/from the same email address Nov 11 23:17:22 yyyeah, don't bounce spam Nov 11 23:17:26 or more annoyingly, spammer spoofs some real email address, bounce is sent to unsuspecting party, and confusion arrises. Nov 11 23:17:26 just throw it out Nov 11 23:17:37 err arises Nov 11 23:17:37 i get mail to me sent from my email address all the time :P Nov 11 23:17:45 zinx: nod Nov 11 23:18:58 if i had the choice of rejecting it at the smtp server and then not sending out a bounce I would Nov 11 23:19:10 but i see your point too Nov 11 23:19:25 i cling to the smtp level rejection though :( Nov 11 23:19:49 using spamassassin, we only send bounces to spammers that fall just high of the threshold as more often than not these are legit people with inability to format messages in a respectable manner... that gives them a chance to get whitelisted by calling us. Otherwise, it's straight to /dev/null. Nov 11 23:20:19 the best thing you can do to stop spam is use SPF Nov 11 23:20:31 anyone using whitelists can see the difference very easily Nov 11 23:21:01 i used to get thousands of bounces in a single day from a spam run that was forged from my domain Nov 11 23:21:08 quite a few times a year Nov 11 23:21:39 since I put in the SPF record, spammers dont bother with my domain any more since they know it will be marked as spam by default anyway (hard fail) Nov 11 23:22:33 i'd disagree that SPF is the 'best' thing you can do Nov 11 23:23:01 maybe, whats better? Nov 11 23:23:19 Anyone know if there's an easy way for andoird to grab and xml file from a website Nov 11 23:23:27 and then take the output and display it purty in a widget? Nov 11 23:23:31 punkass: DKIM probably Nov 11 23:23:43 but really its a combination of doing 'all the right things' Nov 11 23:24:17 imperfect-: not super easy, but there are loads of examples on the net including an official one I think. Nov 11 23:24:51 can DKIM be used with google apps? Nov 11 23:25:26 litui : how about a run pearl script locally to generate xml file? Nov 11 23:26:53 DKIM always seemed kind of silly since it uses sncryption, but just grabs the encryption key in the clear using dns and doesn't validate it in any way Nov 11 23:26:56 imperfect-: doesn't really matter where the xml comes from... still need to write some specific parser code and code to render it in a view on the phone Nov 11 23:27:00 unless im mistaken, never looked into it too much Nov 11 23:27:24 liltui: bah i dont know jack about javaj or android. I just need something hacked to together all fast like Nov 11 23:28:55 imperfect-: I don't think you're gonna find a way around writing some java code. Nov 11 23:29:42 imperfect-: I know there's a way to run shell scripts on the phone, but I don't know how much GUI access they have. Nov 11 23:30:18 just have to learn it Nov 11 23:30:28 I can't run deve code on a droid though cna I Nov 11 23:32:13 imperfect-: if it helps, XML parsing from a remote URL was first thing I decided to program on android having had no java background at all and I pulled it off in a weekend. Nov 11 23:33:19 (I even incorporated a number of other things like extraction of the xml from a zip and database storage of the fetched data no problem) Nov 11 23:33:45 litui I wanna tkae xml info Nov 11 23:33:53 and spit it out in a widget Nov 11 23:34:03 then you need to learn how to code a widget. Nov 11 23:34:13 and build xml parsing into it. Nov 11 23:35:06 punkass: dkim is pub/priv key Nov 11 23:35:15 so the pub key in dns is only for verification Nov 11 23:35:38 Can I put the app on my droid to test or no?> Nov 11 23:36:29 Unless there's something I don't know about the droid, sure! You can write apps and run them on your phone to test. Nov 11 23:36:42 I do it with my Dream. Nov 11 23:37:14 k Nov 11 23:37:21 i didnt know if I had to do something weird cu it's just a reg phone Nov 11 23:37:23 and it's 2.0 Nov 11 23:37:37 Recommend any IDE? Nov 11 23:37:52 imperfect-: naw. Also, the SDK comes with an emulator you can use to test apps. Nov 11 23:38:22 litui, that's a good idea, but so totally evil Nov 11 23:38:22 heh Nov 11 23:38:34 imperfect-: use Eclipse. It's easy to get set up. http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html Nov 11 23:38:54 that link has information on everything you'll need. Nov 11 23:40:13 * litui goes off to do things in the real world. Nov 11 23:40:25 heh Nov 11 23:40:36 Anyone developed any kinda music sync type app? Nov 11 23:40:54 krphop: i know that, but it is still meaningless to use encryption like that (if it is implemented how I think it is) Nov 11 23:42:05 imperfect-, I'd like something along those lines Nov 11 23:42:36 krphop: SPF just admits that it is as secure as dns (not very, but good enough) and doesn't pretend to be anything more Nov 11 23:42:46 anybody knows how to setup the classpath so the android build will succeed? Nov 11 23:44:06 i think I was wrong about the rejection at the SMTP level with google apps and an empty mailing list though Nov 11 23:44:16 i might be sending bounces with nothing good in return Nov 11 23:44:58 punkass: no, encryption is perfect when you implement it like that Nov 11 23:45:10 your public key gets posted everywhere Nov 11 23:45:11 litui, bouncing spammers is a common technique for backscatter spam Nov 11 23:45:13 it doesnt matter Nov 11 23:45:36 the private key is only used on your mail server Nov 11 23:45:44 too bad I cant telnet to port 25 these days and know for sure whats going on Nov 11 23:45:52 but from what i just read even if you use postini you can't reject Nov 11 23:45:53 ugh Nov 11 23:46:14 krphop: you don't have to explain encryption to me Nov 11 23:46:41 well you obviously dont get it.... Nov 11 23:46:55 the first step is insecure Nov 11 23:47:04 full stop Nov 11 23:47:28 the first step? howso? Nov 11 23:48:02 the transferring of a public key over DNS? Nov 11 23:48:06 dns isn't a secure way to exchange public keys Nov 11 23:48:07 yes Nov 11 23:48:15 its a *public* key... Nov 11 23:48:21 if it was secure, everybody could have https for free Nov 11 23:48:31 uhh no... Nov 11 23:48:48 you could DNS poision, but thats going a little far for dkim and sending mail Nov 11 23:49:06 dns and https have nothing to do with eachother Nov 11 23:49:34 yet DKIM and HTTPS have a lot to do with each other Nov 11 23:49:40 how? Nov 11 23:49:52 except that HTTPS is done in a secure way (arguably) Nov 11 23:50:12 HTTPS is SSL HTTP traffic, DKIM is signing a peice of mail with a private key in the header Nov 11 23:50:40 since it doesnt get the public keys over dns, and gets them from a trusted third party that signs it and says its legit Nov 11 23:50:56 but im not going to debate encryption here Nov 11 23:51:17 so you're saying the off chance that i DNS poision AND send a peice of mail with dkim, thus dkim is completely insecure? Nov 11 23:51:24 at the end of the day, encryption done wrong can be better than no encryption at all Nov 11 23:51:41 i just think its silly to do it that way Nov 11 23:51:48 no need to flood #android with this though Nov 11 23:51:59 heh, its dead anyway :-P Nov 11 23:52:18 * jbq feels dead Nov 11 23:59:14 Anyone know wht eclispe I should be using? Nov 11 23:59:33 newest stable version should be fine Nov 12 00:01:09 I just downloaded the latest android sdk. Where is the activitycreator gone? I just can find it in the old sdk. Nov 12 00:01:59 for java ee developes or just java daves? Nov 12 00:04:37 imperfect-, just eclipse for java is fine Nov 12 00:04:44 imperfect-, the smallest package, pretty much Nov 12 00:04:45 kk Nov 12 00:14:51 i just bought a used g1, without a sim. I was having a great time with it till I decided to upgrade, and now I can't do nothing. foolish Nov 12 00:15:25 how, what 'upgrade'? Nov 12 00:17:25 ota via wifi Nov 12 00:21:09 then downgrade again Nov 12 00:22:04 guess it was some version that let me use wifi etc without a sim card, and the first thing after I got on the net it offered me an upgrade to take it all away. i gladly accepted Nov 12 00:22:07 regrets Nov 12 00:22:37 is there a way to downgrade without getting a sim? Nov 12 00:23:42 I've got eclispse Nov 12 00:23:54 can't figure out how to get the andoird-sdk- importaed Nov 12 00:24:05 using falileo 64bit Nov 12 00:25:02 have you rooted your g1?= Nov 12 00:27:07 no not yet. that was the first thing I had planned to do (until I was duped by the glitter) Nov 12 00:30:38 TechCrunch broke the news today that Google has bought Gizmo5, the popular VoIP SIP provider, for $30 mil cash (not confirmed officially yet). Nov 12 00:31:41 Anyone know how I get the android-sdk-mac into Eclispse Nov 12 00:32:17 you install ADT first Nov 12 00:32:27 then go into window -> preferences -> android Nov 12 00:32:35 is that the tools folder? Nov 12 00:32:45 tools folder? huh? Nov 12 00:32:55 I've got a folder called Nov 12 00:32:59 android-dsk-mac Nov 12 00:33:05 and one of the dir's is Tools Nov 12 00:33:10 no Nov 12 00:33:12 you install ADT first Nov 12 00:33:16 ok Nov 12 00:33:19 Where do you I find that? Nov 12 00:33:46 google Nov 12 00:34:37 k Nov 12 00:37:59 pfn: you're talking the Android SDK right? Nov 12 00:38:51 no Nov 12 00:38:58 ADT is not the android sdk Nov 12 00:39:07 well Nov 12 00:39:13 im not seeing it i dont thin Nov 12 00:40:51 you suck at google Nov 12 00:41:15 Hey Nov 12 00:41:16 no i dont Nov 12 00:41:18 Is anyone here? Nov 12 00:41:19 I didn't need google Nov 12 00:41:23 it's on th site Nov 12 00:41:25 it's (pending0 Nov 12 00:41:26 got it Nov 12 00:41:28 deve tools Nov 12 00:41:51 and not to mention, this should be in #android-dev Nov 12 00:41:56 Join in The new chann for irc.server #username #username #username #username #username #username #username #username #username #username #username #username #username #username #username #username #username #username #username #username #username Nov 12 00:42:10 bwahahahaha Nov 12 00:42:13 #spamfail Nov 12 00:42:17 Hmm.. I'm getting the HTC G1... Is it possible to disable data.. like just allow wifi.. Nov 12 00:42:36 delete all the APNs Nov 12 00:42:44 after setting up the phone Nov 12 00:43:09 APNs..? Nov 12 00:43:21 makin' progress Nov 12 00:43:41 has anyone done scala on android yet? doin like chneukirchen proposed. but application crashes all the time. Nov 12 00:45:12 ctate : what's APNs..? Nov 12 00:45:40 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=apn Nov 12 00:46:38 Oh.. Nov 12 00:46:38 you can edit/delete these on an Android phone in Settings Nov 12 00:46:42 Okay.. Nov 12 00:46:55 But like I still want apps to work but with Wifi.. Nov 12 00:47:00 Just not use data. Nov 12 00:47:00 possibly something like Settings / Wireless controls / Mobile networks Nov 12 00:47:28 JoeR: right: the APN configuration tells the phone how to connect to cell-network data services Nov 12 00:47:38 if you delete them, the phone will be unable to use cell-network data services Nov 12 00:47:49 they have nothing to do with WiFi Nov 12 00:48:09 Oh.. Cool.. Nov 12 00:48:23 Cause I have a Prepaid card.. and I don't want it to charge for example.. Nov 12 00:48:32 So is i delete them calling / texting will work? Nov 12 00:48:34 Right? Nov 12 00:48:38 still work* Nov 12 00:49:52 I got a droid recently...I seem to have a lot of robotic sounding calls as well as calls that don't ring and just go to VM.... is this a network issue or is there maybe an issue w/ the radio / codec in the phone? Nov 12 00:49:59 Verizon gets good reviews in my area Nov 12 00:50:48 Hmm.. Nov 12 00:51:06 Ctate.. Disabling all those Services.. Will my calling & Texting still work? Nov 12 00:51:18 of course Nov 12 00:51:27 it only affects cell-network *data* services Nov 12 00:51:52 Okay... isn't texting data.. Nov 12 00:51:55 In a way? Nov 12 00:52:02 no, mms is Nov 12 00:52:03 nope Nov 12 00:52:34 Ahh okay.. and also.. When I get it... Will I be able to update to 1.6? Nov 12 00:52:38 If thats the latest... Nov 12 00:54:09 that is up to the carrier Nov 12 00:54:44 Rogers wireless. Nov 12 00:55:01 i have no idea what all the various carriers' policies are Nov 12 00:55:37 ctate, do you know if there's any way to change/remove the vzw banner (e.g. from notifications pulldown) or change stuff in apns-conf? (I'd like to have alternate mmscs if possible) Nov 12 00:55:48 i do not know :) Nov 12 00:55:51 ctate, on the droid Nov 12 00:56:09 * pfn can read apns-conf.xml but can't do anything with it, frustratingly Nov 12 00:56:29 Only if your providor allows it Nov 12 00:56:33 im sure theres another way Nov 12 00:56:33 :S Nov 12 00:56:35 I am running java version "1.5.0_22", but when building android, I keep getting "package com.sun.javadoc does not exist". Where does it look by default, or where can I specify the classpath? Nov 12 00:56:59 I already tried setting the env variable CLASSPATH with no luck Nov 12 00:57:02 <_rc_> so i think i've got a reproducable bug in the pptp vpn.... Nov 12 00:57:27 <_rc_> anyone in a position to help analyze? Nov 12 00:57:40 keny, you need a JDK, not a JRE Nov 12 00:58:08 pfn, thats the jdk version, sun's, by the way Nov 12 00:58:44 com.sun.javadoc is in tools.jar Nov 12 00:58:57 keny, make sure it's in your build path Nov 12 00:59:07 pfn, i know D= The thing is I dont know how to tell the build scripts where to look Nov 12 00:59:19 so time to learn Nov 12 00:59:32 what build path ? Nov 12 00:59:39 thats what I am asking Nov 12 00:59:52 haha, it took long enough Nov 12 00:59:54 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.30781 Nov 12 00:59:58 HTC Hero knock off Nov 12 01:00:03 Ctate : theres no other way to update? Nov 12 01:00:05 Gary Nov 12 01:00:09 That's been around so long. Nov 12 01:00:09 lol Nov 12 01:00:15 http://www.dealextreme.com/productimages/sku_30781_6.jpg Nov 12 01:00:16 is this Nov 12 01:00:17 a joke rofl Nov 12 01:00:47 Lol Nov 12 01:00:47 java read the CLASSPATH env variable, and if there is a classpath argument, it uses that , so no other way to specify AFAIK Nov 12 01:00:51 iPhone interface. Nov 12 01:00:58 keny, that's not correct Nov 12 01:01:06 IMEI: Unique Nov 12 01:01:08 pfn, please tell me what I'm missing :) Nov 12 01:01:09 how nice of them Nov 12 01:02:38 pfn, I should note that I have the 1.6JDK installed, but my PATH is pointing towards the 1.5 bins Nov 12 01:03:17 I just don't know where I should specify which classpath the android build should use Nov 12 01:05:01 likely in build.xml or whatever the build script is Nov 12 01:24:00 in the build.xml element, I tried adding an additional value, did not help :( Nov 12 01:24:34 it worked out of the box when I was still on 1.5, must be something simpler Nov 12 01:55:10 yooo Nov 12 01:55:26 im gonna get the HTC Hero, cant wait, just thought ide let youa ll know Nov 12 02:02:50 http://www.forceclose.com/ Nov 12 02:03:15 bk: thanks. Nov 12 02:03:34 bk: I just got a Sprint Hero in the mail if that makes you feel more excited. Nov 12 02:04:07 so what's the latest rooted phone firmware since jesusfreak died Nov 12 02:05:00 Suhail: #android-root Nov 12 02:09:41 kroot: it kindof does, you like it? Nov 12 02:10:03 i was at verizon and there plans are more expensive and the droid seems sluggish to me, could have been just the demo but o well Nov 12 02:10:08 i didnt like it as well as the hero Nov 12 02:12:11 Will Google Navigation be available with Android 2.0 source? I would love to install this on my car computer. :o Nov 12 02:12:48 sup purcy Nov 12 02:13:14 sup dood Nov 12 02:13:56 I mean, I doubt the source will be available, but I sure would LOVE to have the package available o.o Nov 12 02:15:28 i don't think so Nov 12 02:15:28 even Google Maps isn't in... Nov 12 02:15:38 google nav is not open source Nov 12 02:15:40 *pout* Nov 12 02:15:46 LiF0: never insinuated it was Nov 12 02:15:56 02:13 < mpurcell|afk> I mean, I doubt the source will be available, but I sure would LOVE to have the package available o.o Nov 12 02:16:03 ya missd that Nov 12 02:16:22 what os is your car computer ? Nov 12 02:16:31 Linux Nov 12 02:16:38 debian distro to be specific Nov 12 02:16:47 considering Arch for next revision Nov 12 02:19:08 i got a droid but it doesn't come with colemak Nov 12 02:19:25 sucks Nov 12 02:19:27 how do i modify a file in its built in flasj? Nov 12 02:19:28 :p Nov 12 02:19:34 ethana2: lol Nov 12 02:19:45 using it now btw Nov 12 02:19:55 frigging qwerty Nov 12 02:20:03 uhm Nov 12 02:20:17 qwerty is most likely your personal computers keyboard too Nov 12 02:20:21 no Nov 12 02:20:26 colemak there too Nov 12 02:20:33 freak Nov 12 02:20:34 :p Nov 12 02:20:38 whatever. Nov 12 02:20:46 colemak > dvorak ? Nov 12 02:20:50 how do i modify system files? Nov 12 02:20:53 yes. Nov 12 02:20:58 yes it is. Nov 12 02:20:59 freak. Nov 12 02:20:59 ethana2: you are not root Nov 12 02:21:03 haha Nov 12 02:21:08 LiF0: *nod* Nov 12 02:21:10 how do i become root? Nov 12 02:21:18 ethana2: you give me $10,000 Nov 12 02:21:24 mmmmno Nov 12 02:21:26 #android-root Nov 12 02:21:33 hmmmmm Nov 12 02:21:34 alt.forsale.root Nov 12 02:21:49 *points @ topic* Nov 12 02:22:00 i'll join that from webchat on my ubuntu dell... Nov 12 02:22:08 in case its a trap Nov 12 02:22:11 .. Nov 12 02:22:13 lmfao Nov 12 02:22:15 /ackbar Nov 12 02:22:16 An IRC trap Nov 12 02:22:21 yeah. Nov 12 02:22:30 #commodore Nov 12 02:22:36 or something Nov 12 02:22:44 ethana2: IRC is a very simple protocol Nov 12 02:22:45 #kaypro2x Nov 12 02:29:54 is there an add on so the droid's physical querty keyboard shosw selectable words like the on-screen one can? Nov 12 02:29:59 any of you cats know of a good ringtone manager.. IE: different ring tone for different contacts Nov 12 02:30:05 different sms tone etc Nov 12 02:30:15 6 Nov 12 02:30:18 mt Nov 12 02:34:18 Hey Nov 12 02:34:52 Anyone here? Nov 12 02:34:58 :) Nov 12 02:35:24 Any former iPhone users here? Nov 12 02:35:44 yes Nov 12 02:36:21 I've been wanting to get the new droid from verison Nov 12 02:36:58 Looks like it lives up to all the hype from what I've seen. Nov 12 02:37:35 i got the droid 2 Nov 12 02:37:39 i'm the first and only persno! Nov 12 02:37:40 person Nov 12 02:37:53 vladikoff: can you transfer all your music and videos from an iPhone to a droid? Nov 12 02:38:11 Hi jeev Nov 12 02:38:22 hi Nov 12 02:38:48 Guest16968, well for music i use the SDcard and i don't really watch videos, mostly youtube, and this is on myTouch 3g , not droid. Nov 12 02:39:22 Guest16968, my iphone is jailbroken so i could copy all the music from it anyway. Nov 12 02:40:03 Alright it seems since I payed for it all I should be able to transfer it no problem Nov 12 02:40:14 hi jeev Nov 12 02:40:59 How do you like the droid compared to an iPhone vladikoff? Nov 12 02:41:25 Guest51390, i love the droid :D Nov 12 02:43:16 I thought I might wait a few months since my contract with AT&T is up in July it would cost me about 100 to break it early. Nov 12 02:43:19 i dont like the droid because of the boxy edges Nov 12 02:43:49 Yeah but thats not that big a deal for me. Nov 12 02:44:20 and i also dont like the hardware keyboard, but thats cause i have fat fingers lol Nov 12 02:44:24 bk: the boxy edges pwn you Nov 12 02:44:31 they are so professional looking :D Nov 12 02:44:34 I <3 my droid Nov 12 02:44:42 shit Nov 12 02:44:50 I would like to be able to run apps in the backround and support for WMP and Real Player Nov 12 02:44:52 i like the aluminnum feel of the hero Nov 12 02:44:58 and the rounded edges Nov 12 02:45:02 have never felt one Nov 12 02:45:09 but i hate rounded things usually Nov 12 02:45:14 long live boxes! Nov 12 02:45:21 Lol Nov 12 02:45:27 * mpurcell|afk sings Little Boxes re-done by Rise Against Nov 12 02:45:32 lol Nov 12 02:46:08 "little boxes made of ticky tacky" Nov 12 02:46:28 I cant wait to get mine Nov 12 02:46:36 ur droid? Nov 12 02:46:46 no Nov 12 02:46:48 htc hero Nov 12 02:46:53 i didnt get the droid Nov 12 02:46:55 evil -.- Nov 12 02:47:00 your a fool man Nov 12 02:47:02 a darn fool Nov 12 02:47:06 plus, it was more for the phone and more for the service Nov 12 02:47:14 when our numbers rise we will amass upon you Nov 12 02:47:22 ok hitler Nov 12 02:47:23 with our masses of Cortex-A8s Nov 12 02:47:24 heh I'm still looking at the saygus Nov 12 02:47:35 your A11s will be useless Nov 12 02:47:43 gay Nov 12 02:47:50 must have used an iphone before Nov 12 02:47:55 thats exactly what you _will_ say Nov 12 02:48:01 bk: uhm Nov 12 02:48:19 once nvidia is in android...now that's a game changer Nov 12 02:48:19 I don't really use any proprietary software kthx Nov 12 02:48:28 ari-free: agreed Nov 12 02:48:31 your talking about taking over Nov 12 02:48:43 its a phone Nov 12 02:48:44 lol Nov 12 02:48:47 bk: have you not seen one droid commercial Nov 12 02:48:51 it will die and something will replace it Nov 12 02:48:56 yea, its silly Nov 12 02:49:01 bashing is stupid Nov 12 02:49:10 Ugh, why aren't people checked for humor when you join freenode Nov 12 02:49:11 and i dont like motorola anyways Nov 12 02:49:20 ari-free: are they in? Nov 12 02:49:22 i like humor Nov 12 02:49:31 i have a sense of humor Nov 12 02:49:39 but i dont find that funny Nov 12 02:49:43 am I the only one who has sub-par voice performance on the Droid ? Nov 12 02:49:45 people have different views than you Nov 12 02:49:58 bk: your boring! Nov 12 02:50:02 come on you know you want a bareknuckled bucketful of does Nov 12 02:50:03 *yawn* Nov 12 02:50:04 I wanna be boring... Nov 12 02:50:10 oh wait... ia m. Nov 12 02:50:10 and you have the right to say that Nov 12 02:50:33 does not bother me one bit, you dont feed my family so i dont care what you think of me Nov 12 02:50:42 omigosh shut up Nov 12 02:50:56 freedom of speech Nov 12 02:50:57 lol Nov 12 02:50:59 oh man. Nov 12 02:51:00 that means everyone not just you Nov 12 02:51:12 he's still going -.- Nov 12 02:51:14 i just got here... Nov 12 02:51:26 trigatch5: lol not you Nov 12 02:51:29 but i already feel like im AOL chatting with 13 year olds in 1996 Nov 12 02:51:36 haha Nov 12 02:51:36 wtf is going on lol Nov 12 02:51:46 trigatch5: droid joke gone wrong Nov 12 02:51:49 badly Nov 12 02:51:59 we were TRYING to have some fun here Nov 12 02:52:00 ah.. i see Nov 12 02:52:02 heres one Nov 12 02:52:05 in 1996 ... wasn't that before "srsly" was invented? Nov 12 02:52:07 learn how to tell a joke Nov 12 02:52:26 people were just becoming l337 back then... Nov 12 02:52:27 i thought the droid ads were funny Nov 12 02:52:37 not 'bashing' Nov 12 02:52:40 i thought they were stupid Nov 12 02:52:55 lol they were both Nov 12 02:53:00 "drooooooid" Nov 12 02:53:00 and im not a big iphone fan Nov 12 02:53:07 bk: sound like one Nov 12 02:53:13 the point was to generate and provoke emotion and conversation Nov 12 02:53:15 nope Nov 12 02:53:16 obviously they did that Nov 12 02:53:19 mission accomplished Nov 12 02:53:20 oh wait, i take it back, *doesnt want to get him started again* Nov 12 02:53:23 thats the reason im not getting one Nov 12 02:53:24 whether they were good or bad Nov 12 02:53:25 get it? Nov 12 02:53:27 i'm a pc I'm a mac were more nasty Nov 12 02:53:29 i get an android phone Nov 12 02:53:31 but funny Nov 12 02:53:39 you're not getting a droid because of the commercials Nov 12 02:53:42 ? Nov 12 02:53:43 ari-free: they both run on PC architecture -.- Nov 12 02:53:44 no Nov 12 02:53:48 pc != windows Nov 12 02:53:50 im not getting the droid because i dont like it Nov 12 02:53:54 * mpurcell|afk is by that definition a PC Nov 12 02:53:57 pc= linux/windows Nov 12 02:54:03 bk: pc = mac too Nov 12 02:54:05 not just windows Nov 12 02:54:10 illegally yes Nov 12 02:54:14 uhm no Nov 12 02:54:18 they run the same arch now Nov 12 02:54:18 lol Nov 12 02:54:19 yes Nov 12 02:54:21 a pc means I'm in control of my computer Nov 12 02:54:28 pc = touching the air = air touching you = you have cooties = pc has cooties Nov 12 02:54:32 personal computer Nov 12 02:54:34 personal computer Nov 12 02:54:37 omg. what a pissing match. Nov 12 02:54:39 bk: IBM compatible PC Nov 12 02:54:41 lol wack convo i'll come back when its over Nov 12 02:54:42 lol Nov 12 02:54:44 Ballresin: yep Nov 12 02:54:47 haha Nov 12 02:54:50 and my stream is rapid Nov 12 02:54:52 this channel degrades at night :\ Nov 12 02:54:59 bnovc: lol Nov 12 02:55:03 pcs have viruses Nov 12 02:55:05 bnovc: people get tired Nov 12 02:55:10 if you have a pc with windows, your a fool Nov 12 02:55:10 bk: wtf Nov 12 02:55:12 sux Nov 12 02:55:13 lol Nov 12 02:55:14 im gonna make a commercial Nov 12 02:55:21 os x does Nov 12 02:55:24 nt Nov 12 02:55:24 I run Linux, I root ur windows box ;D Nov 12 02:55:28 technically isn't a commodore 64 a "PC" ? Nov 12 02:55:33 no Nov 12 02:55:40 it's a locked box Nov 12 02:55:46 too bad cryket is still down. has anyone read about their status? Nov 12 02:55:47 LiF0: no Nov 12 02:55:55 i can build my own pc Nov 12 02:55:57 a locked box? Nov 12 02:55:57 bnovc: neg Nov 12 02:55:59 bnovc: cryket? Nov 12 02:56:06 i guess i should google right Nov 12 02:56:08 bk: yes, cryket.com indexes Market Nov 12 02:56:10 yeah-can't upgrade it Nov 12 02:56:12 bad channel to ask questions Nov 12 02:56:14 you won't get much...its down Nov 12 02:56:23 I can root any OS in 5 minutes or less if I have physical access. (except esx) Nov 12 02:56:29 I could probably make my own version in an hour or two, I suppose Nov 12 02:56:35 Ballresin: not mine Nov 12 02:56:37 Ballresin: no you can't Nov 12 02:56:39 oh yea Nov 12 02:56:45 how often do updates get pushed Nov 12 02:56:53 like when a new android version comes out? Nov 12 02:56:55 for sprint Nov 12 02:56:57 anyone know? Nov 12 02:57:12 bk: when your OEM/Telco/Google chooses Nov 12 02:57:13 doesn't PC have two meanings? PC=Personal Computer and PC=IBM PC "compatible" (which loosely means it runs DOS or Windows) ? Nov 12 02:57:33 IBM PC is so 80's Nov 12 02:57:34 LiF0: thats not what IBM compatible means i believe, but honestly im not looking it up Nov 12 02:57:42 me neither Nov 12 02:57:43 to ME, PC compatible means x86 architecture Nov 12 02:57:47 i don't care enough to, personally Nov 12 02:57:51 same Nov 12 02:57:52 yah. IA32 Nov 12 02:57:56 it will always mean taht to me Nov 12 02:58:06 fark man Nov 12 02:58:10 i lost all my shit on my blackberry :/ Nov 12 02:58:11 it's ok Nov 12 02:58:15 mpurcell|afk: so basically, when google pushes it, it goes to oem, then to telco, and they decide Nov 12 02:58:17 I wish I had a 286. I could multitask. Nov 12 02:58:17 serves me right for not backing u Nov 12 02:58:18 up Nov 12 02:58:18 or is that wrong? Nov 12 02:58:28 bk: uhm, i assume google can do what they want Nov 12 02:58:33 without their permission Nov 12 02:58:35 i know that Nov 12 02:58:37 thats why it was so hard to get pushed Nov 12 02:58:46 well Nov 12 02:58:50 The updates probably come out over TCP/IP Nov 12 02:58:50 google has to push it first Nov 12 02:58:58 it comes from google Nov 12 02:59:01 unless its a spinoff Nov 12 02:59:09 The telco can push OTAs im sure, but google probably uses TCP/IP Nov 12 02:59:14 and the phone probably inquires about status Nov 12 02:59:23 ooh ok Nov 12 02:59:36 why do phones ship with 1.5 and stuff if 2.0 is out now? Nov 12 02:59:39 but, not being a google employee, no idea Nov 12 02:59:41 i guess cause there boxed Nov 12 02:59:50 bk: cuz crappier phones can't handle the pwnage Nov 12 02:59:50 nvm that last ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Nov 12 02:59:57 2009