**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 12 02:59:57 2009
Nov 12 02:59:57 <mpurcell|afk> mwahahhaa
Nov 12 02:59:58 <bk> thats probably ture
Nov 12 03:00:05 <bk> true*
Nov 12 03:00:18 <GiantTalkingCow> bk: Because it's not been tweaked for those phones yet: Motorola got slightly early access to make the Droid in advance. Give it a month.
Nov 12 03:00:29 <bk> lol ok
Nov 12 03:00:39 <mpurcell|afk> GiantTalkingCow: i liked my phrase btr :(
Nov 12 03:01:02 <LiF0> Some guy was doing a drug deal in front of my house... I shined a huge flashlight on him until he moved his car
Nov 12 03:01:12 <mpurcell|afk> rofl
Nov 12 03:01:19 <mpurcell|afk> awesome
Nov 12 03:01:22 <GiantTalkingCow> How nice. Where do you live, exactly?
Nov 12 03:01:38 <lonequid> shoulda just bought some drugs
Nov 12 03:01:39 <LiF0> then I stood by the tree in my yard and the guy who jumped out of his car came back... looked around all confused, pulled out his cel phone and started saying "dude where are you?"...
Nov 12 03:01:44 <mpurcell|afk> lonequid: lol
Nov 12 03:01:47 <LiF0> then the car came back... but i was on THAT side of the tree..
Nov 12 03:01:49 <LiF0> i was sure he'd see me
Nov 12 03:02:17 <LiF0> Hey, if they wanna do it in front of my house they better pay the "taxes".
Nov 12 03:02:21 <mpurcell|afk> LiF0: tales of your drug deal scared off Gia
Nov 12 03:02:25 <mpurcell|afk> GiantTalkingCow*
Nov 12 03:02:26 <lonequid> 10% of the drugs go to you
Nov 12 03:02:38 <mpurcell|afk> LiF0: lol...
Nov 12 03:02:49 <LiF0> I'm jsut saying, if they don't trust the guy enough to let them come over to their house, then why should I trust the guy to park in front of mine???
Nov 12 03:02:49 <mpurcell|afk> tell that to their boss hehe
Nov 12 03:03:07 <LiF0> He can park somewhere else...
Nov 12 03:03:15 <LiF0> They can do business on another block...
Nov 12 03:03:23 <mpurcell|afk> why didnt you just write down his tag and take pictures :)
Nov 12 03:03:26 <LiF0> I did
Nov 12 03:03:33 <LiF0> FL plate 428 NPK
Nov 12 03:03:35 <mpurcell|afk> Thats a much funner way of handling it
Nov 12 03:03:39 <mpurcell|afk> hehe
Nov 12 03:03:47 <lonequid> snitching is fun?
Nov 12 03:03:52 <mpurcell|afk> lonequid: hell yeah
Nov 12 03:03:54 <mpurcell|afk> :P
Nov 12 03:03:58 <lonequid> are stitches fun?
Nov 12 03:04:05 <mpurcell|afk> rofl
Nov 12 03:04:08 <mpurcell|afk> lonequid: ok 50 cent
Nov 12 03:04:12 <lonequid> haha
Nov 12 03:04:14 <mpurcell|afk> Obie trice gonna cap my ass?
Nov 12 03:04:26 <mpurcell|afk> lonequid: I have no respect for dealers
Nov 12 03:04:27 <lonequid> the hit on your droid was meant for you
Nov 12 03:04:35 <mpurcell|afk> lonequid: aw thats low
Nov 12 03:04:36 <mpurcell|afk> lol
Nov 12 03:04:40 <lonequid> they're just businessmen
Nov 12 03:04:49 <mpurcell|afk> lonequid: no, they are criminals
Nov 12 03:04:50 <bk> lonequid: exactly
Nov 12 03:04:53 <mpurcell|afk> Always will be
Nov 12 03:04:55 <bk> same thing
Nov 12 03:05:05 <bk> whats the government?
Nov 12 03:05:07 <LiF0> Personally, I think drugs should be legal, so that dude can go buy them from a legitemate source... but, the fact that they are illegal, makes people do stupid things for them...and I don't want them doing stupid things in my neighborhood
Nov 12 03:05:10 <bk> half=criminals
Nov 12 03:05:19 <mpurcell|afk> And they will be put in jail for addicting our society the same way the pharma companies do.
Nov 12 03:05:21 <lonequid> big business = criminals
Nov 12 03:05:25 <bk> police? 45% criminals
Nov 12 03:05:28 <mpurcell|afk> lonequid: I agree
Nov 12 03:05:33 <mpurcell|afk> bk: thats cute :p
Nov 12 03:05:44 <bk> if your not a criminal your not making money
Nov 12 03:05:50 <ari-free> OK
Nov 12 03:05:50 <bk> apple=criminals
Nov 12 03:05:51 <LiF0> I live in Jacksonville....locals call it "Cracksonville"... so trust me, it's not good stuff they're selling...
Nov 12 03:05:53 <bk> ms same
Nov 12 03:05:55 <kroot> bk: I haven't even started it yet
Nov 12 03:06:04 <ari-free> crackberry is on drugs
Nov 12 03:06:06 <mpurcell|afk> *nods*
Nov 12 03:06:07 <bk> kroot: wtf are you waiting on duuude lol
Nov 12 03:06:18 <bk> mpurcell|afk: google is too, believe it or not
Nov 12 03:06:20 <mpurcell|afk> lol wtf
Nov 12 03:06:32 <mpurcell|afk> bk: no google is a secret NSA branch ;/
Nov 12 03:06:35 <bk> not as bad tho, i must admit, they havent had to
Nov 12 03:06:38 <bk> haha
Nov 12 03:06:45 <bk> they just took over the internet
Nov 12 03:06:47 * mpurcell|afk works for the police ;P
Nov 12 03:06:49 <bk> there not criminals
Nov 12 03:06:51 <bk> just evil
Nov 12 03:06:59 <bk> mpurcell|afk: then your almost a criminal
Nov 12 03:07:00 <bk> ha
Nov 12 03:07:03 <mpurcell|afk> lol
Nov 12 03:07:09 <bk> you work closer to them than me
Nov 12 03:07:15 <ari-free> i can't believe microsoft wasn't able to take over the internet
Nov 12 03:07:26 <bk> there are ALOT of crooked cops
Nov 12 03:07:28 <lonequid> theyre too focused on the world
Nov 12 03:07:30 <mpurcell|afk> ari-free: i can. Ballmer is an idiot
Nov 12 03:07:31 <bk> ari-free: they suck
Nov 12 03:07:31 <kroot> bk: Tucking the kids in :-)
Nov 12 03:07:33 <mpurcell|afk> bk: yes, there are
Nov 12 03:07:37 <mpurcell|afk> And they will be dealth with
Nov 12 03:07:38 <LiF0> Would it be worth it to get a microSD card reader instead of doing it through my phone?  Does it amke things way faster?
Nov 12 03:07:47 <ari-free> and they lost the mobile internet completely
Nov 12 03:07:54 <ari-free> even winmob users don't use IE
Nov 12 03:08:04 <LiF0> IE mobile sux
Nov 12 03:08:18 <mpurcell|afk> As will drug dealers, rapist, and other people that deserve it, unfortunately so will many who do not deserve it
Nov 12 03:08:20 <LiF0> I used Opera on WinMo 6.1
Nov 12 03:08:22 <mpurcell|afk> eg. addicts
Nov 12 03:08:27 <bk> omg, I got a great email today about the last computer expo and bill gates saying things like "If the automotive industry would have stayed with the technology industry we would have $25 dollar cars that got 1000 miles to the gallon"
Nov 12 03:08:44 <bk> and GM has a come back 10 bullets long
Nov 12 03:08:53 <ari-free> yeah they use Opera. amazing.
Nov 12 03:08:56 <LiF0> mpurcell|afk: Unfortunately, an addict that sells to support his/her addiction is branded a traficker by our laws...
Nov 12 03:09:15 <mpurcell|afk> LiF0: well, they did cross a line, they are bringing that addiction to others
Nov 12 03:09:24 <mpurcell|afk> Now another kid will start selling
Nov 12 03:09:30 <bk> talkin "if we built cars on the way microsoft makes an OS your car would crash every day, twice
Nov 12 03:09:41 <mpurcell|afk> bk: rofl
Nov 12 03:10:11 <bk> and a simple operation like a left turn would freeze your computer requireing you to pull over, close all the windows, shut off the car, turn it back on, and open up all the windows before you could continue
Nov 12 03:10:16 <bk> i wish i could find it, hold on
Nov 12 03:10:16 <LiF0> mpurcell|afk: Iran supposedly has the world's most progressive treatment for addicts... they put the detox programs in the same bldg as the methodone/needle exch programs.... so users see ppl getting clean and wanna get clean..and ppl getting clean see users and don't wanna go back...
Nov 12 03:10:32 <ari-free> then they hang them
Nov 12 03:10:33 <mpurcell|afk> Good idea
Nov 12 03:10:48 <mpurcell|afk> ari-free: lmao
Nov 12 03:11:00 <unicron> ari-free: well, maybe if they are gay
Nov 12 03:11:14 <LiF0> unicron: there are no gays in Iran...
Nov 12 03:12:15 <ari-free> http://www.microsoft.com/auto/ your worst nightmare
Nov 12 03:12:42 <mpurcell|afk> ari-free: is it sync?
Nov 12 03:13:26 <mpurcell|afk> kroot: how goes support for the G1?
Nov 12 03:13:30 <bk> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1728382/CarsandComputers.html
Nov 12 03:13:31 <LiF0> mpurcell|afk: Yah, Ford Sync
Nov 12 03:13:31 <ari-free> there's ford sync
Nov 12 03:13:55 <mpurcell|afk> *shudder*
Nov 12 03:14:10 <johnjg75> hi all, could someone PM me with help on arranging my layout
Nov 12 03:14:15 <mpurcell|afk> I sure would love Google Nav in my car *sigh*
Nov 12 03:14:17 <LiF0> 3.1 MB / sec copying to the SD card in my Droid...  god it's painful..  should this be faster?
Nov 12 03:14:33 <jeev> iran rules!
Nov 12 03:14:37 <jeev> no gays
Nov 12 03:14:40 <mpurcell|afk> LiF0: SD cards i believe max theoretically at 10MB/s
Nov 12 03:14:49 <bk> mpurcell|afk: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1728382/CarsandComputers.html
Nov 12 03:14:49 <ari-free> ok enough about iran, gays and drugs
Nov 12 03:14:58 <mpurcell|afk> bk: s'ok im good
Nov 12 03:15:00 <LiF0> mpurcell|afk: The Droid car mount switches it automatically to the Car Home app....
Nov 12 03:15:16 <mpurcell|afk> LiF0: never >.<
Nov 12 03:15:19 <LiF0> You can do that with cardboard and magnets...apparently...there's a video showing a guy doing that :-)
Nov 12 03:15:29 <LiF0> mpurcell|afk: never what?
Nov 12 03:15:32 <mpurcell|afk> I already have a touch screen and a computer and a startup shutdown controller
Nov 12 03:15:51 <mpurcell|afk> works fine as is, but i would love to switch it to android
Nov 12 03:16:00 <LiF0> cool
Nov 12 03:16:05 <mpurcell|afk> bluetooth tether to my cell :D
Nov 12 03:16:21 <mpurcell|afk> how much is the car mount?
Nov 12 03:17:32 <LiF0> I don't spend enough time in my car to give a crap about all that stuff.......  the car mount is $30 incl charger
Nov 12 03:17:55 <mpurcell|afk> nice
Nov 12 03:18:01 <LiF0> the magnetic compass in the Droid rocks....  Google Nav is wayyy better than my Garmin 780W
Nov 12 03:18:09 <bk> mpurcell|afk: um, ok?
Nov 12 03:18:14 <mpurcell|afk> Google nav is insane
Nov 12 03:18:17 <mpurcell|afk> bk: ok what
Nov 12 03:18:35 <LiF0> I'm still trying to understand how the magnets in the mount don't interfere with the Droid's internal compass though..... someone told me it was a "flux compass"... whatever that means
Nov 12 03:19:38 <LiF0> It just makes me think of Back To The Future
Nov 12 03:19:56 <mpurcell|afk> hehe
Nov 12 03:20:23 <mpurcell|afk> that actually explains a lot
Nov 12 03:20:24 <mpurcell|afk> anywho
Nov 12 03:20:25 <mpurcell|afk> bed time
Nov 12 03:20:53 <mpurcell|bed> night LiF0
Nov 12 03:21:04 <mpurcell|bed> ari-free, etc.
Nov 12 03:21:19 <ari-free> thanks
Nov 12 03:21:49 <LiF0> l8r
Nov 12 04:33:52 <grndslm> :P
Nov 12 04:34:24 <Leeds> hmm... import milestone, pass magic on to gf?
Nov 12 04:35:00 <bk> lol
Nov 12 04:35:30 <spikebike> alas gf already has g1 8-(
Nov 12 04:36:02 <Leeds> just offered my g1 to her, but she said no... might be something to do with its habit of crashing when you close the keyboard
Nov 12 04:36:14 <spikebike> ew
Nov 12 04:36:28 <spikebike> my gf likes her's quite a bit, she puts her life into the contacts and cal
Nov 12 04:36:30 <Leeds> she had a play with someone's iphone yesterday and proclaimed she liked it - I told her she wasn't allowed to get one :)
Nov 12 04:36:32 <spikebike> her's doesn't crash
Nov 12 04:36:45 <spikebike> get a pair of droids ;-)
Nov 12 04:36:59 <bk> you all make me sick with this droid thing
Nov 12 04:36:59 <bk> lol
Nov 12 04:37:03 <Leeds> no droids out here in the real world, just milestones - which should be shipping this week, no?
Nov 12 04:37:12 <spikebike> I'm pondering trying the android 2.0 maps ported to cyanogen
Nov 12 04:37:15 <bk> real world?
Nov 12 04:37:23 <spikebike> outside the usa
Nov 12 04:37:28 <Leeds> right
Nov 12 04:37:30 <spikebike> usa = the shire
Nov 12 04:37:38 <Leeds> no, the Shire is England
Nov 12 04:37:52 <spikebike> heh
Nov 12 04:37:54 <vulc4n> went into the verizon store today
Nov 12 04:37:56 <bk> wow
Nov 12 04:38:02 <bk> OBAMA NATION
Nov 12 04:38:18 <vulc4n> the home screen on the droid eris is a lot more respnsive than the one on the droid
Nov 12 04:38:21 <bk> i love how people think the US is shit when they live outside it
Nov 12 04:38:22 <bk> lol
Nov 12 04:38:36 <spikebike> I was totally stoked about the droid, but the keyboard has me bummed, seems half as nice as the g1's
Nov 12 04:38:37 <bk> vulc4n: agreed, i tried them both out today
Nov 12 04:38:46 <vulc4n> markedly soo, too
Nov 12 04:38:48 <bk> the droid, personally, sucks
Nov 12 04:38:52 <spikebike> vulc4n: 2.5 the pixels has an effect
Nov 12 04:39:11 <vulc4n> spikebike: it makes me wonde if they aren't making proper use of the Droid's faster GPU
Nov 12 04:39:15 <Leeds> hmm, German Milestone will have qwertz keyboard or something, I think
Nov 12 04:39:40 <spikebike> vulc4n: I'd be surprised if things didn't get better, seems like the droid is a rush to market to get some early marketshare advantages over the competition
Nov 12 04:39:49 <vulc4n> agreed
Nov 12 04:39:53 <Leeds> 481EUR for an out-of-contract milestone
Nov 12 04:39:54 <vulc4n> It really needs some work
Nov 12 04:39:59 <vulc4n> the farking camera is unuseable
Nov 12 04:40:03 <spikebike> it's early for android 2.0, having 2 dead keys and a tiny space bar?
Nov 12 04:40:20 <vulc4n> I'm pretty happy with the keybaord
Nov 12 04:40:30 <bk> i hate the keyboard
Nov 12 04:40:31 <vulc4n> it works well enough
Nov 12 04:40:35 <bk> i like the onscreen keyboards
Nov 12 04:40:37 <vulc4n> and the onscreen keyboard works great
Nov 12 04:40:49 <bk> yea, i have never liked hardware keyboards tho
Nov 12 04:40:50 <spikebike> I could see onscreen if multitouch worked
Nov 12 04:40:57 <spikebike> I can use my g1 keyboard without looking
Nov 12 04:41:02 <spikebike> while riding my bike even
Nov 12 04:41:11 <vulc4n> I was surprised the lack of multitouch keyboard didn't really boether me
Nov 12 04:41:28 <vulc4n> the only thing that really gets me is the lagginess of scrolling / the drawere and home screen
Nov 12 04:41:32 <vulc4n> realllly hope that gets fixed
Nov 12 04:41:50 <Leeds> wonder what the chances are of a non-keyboard milestone
Nov 12 04:41:51 <bk> i noticed that
Nov 12 04:41:55 <bk> so it wasnt just me lol
Nov 12 04:42:16 <vulc4n> just noticed what?
Nov 12 04:42:25 <spikebike> Leeds: there's one in the pipeline, or so the various rumors claim
Nov 12 04:42:34 <spikebike> not to mention a very similar device from sony
Nov 12 04:43:15 <spikebike> the sony has a larger (physically not pixels) screen that should help with the keyboard
Nov 12 04:43:19 <spikebike> (onscreen)
Nov 12 04:43:35 <bk> no, i noticed the lag
Nov 12 04:43:36 <spikebike> hopefully multitouch gets straightened out.. not to mention root on droid
Nov 12 04:43:36 <ari-free> well sony needs a 2.0 to compete with droid
Nov 12 04:43:39 <bk> when i was at verizon
Nov 12 04:44:10 <spikebike> ari-free: dunno, they have a custom gui, if people like it and it has 800x480 not sure anyone will care
Nov 12 04:44:18 <spikebike> and the car nav works on 1.6
Nov 12 04:44:27 <vulc4n> ah
Nov 12 04:44:29 <vulc4n> yeah
Nov 12 04:44:43 <vulc4n> when using the droid and the eris side by side it seems like the eris is the one with the faster hardware
Nov 12 04:44:44 <vulc4n> tbh
Nov 12 04:45:31 <spikebike> vulc4n: yeah, the droid is faster, but not faster per pixel
Nov 12 04:45:45 <ari-free> i think HTC can win big. but they have to push for it
Nov 12 04:45:47 <vulc4n> I think it must be that the home screen isn't gpu accelerated
Nov 12 04:45:51 <spikebike> not sure if the bitblt is using the hardware optimally
Nov 12 04:46:05 <ari-free> verizon can't just say "and oh we also have this eris"
Nov 12 04:46:24 <spikebike> I care more about app performance then a cute home screen
Nov 12 04:46:34 <bk> vulc4n: yea, and i heard it the other way around, that the droid was fast and the eris was slow
Nov 12 04:46:53 <vulc4n> bk: I think that becomes obvious when you run a few apps at once
Nov 12 04:46:57 <bk> vulc4n: cause i tested them side by side, they had them next to each other, and the eris was ALOT smoother
Nov 12 04:47:06 <vulc4n> same experience I had
Nov 12 04:47:07 <bk> on which one?
Nov 12 04:47:11 <vulc4n> I was shocked, actuallyt
Nov 12 04:47:11 <bk> droid?
Nov 12 04:47:22 <bk> i was too, since i heard the droid would be better
Nov 12 04:47:29 <vulc4n> yeah.  I'm syaing the droid has the faster cpu which will help if running a few apps
Nov 12 04:47:37 <bk> oh yea, but still
Nov 12 04:47:41 <bk> the one here was not
Nov 12 04:47:41 <vulc4n> but somethign just isn't optimized right on the home screen
Nov 12 04:47:42 <spikebike> yeah eris = g1 cpu wise
Nov 12 04:47:50 <bk> i stopped all of them, cause i thought that was why
Nov 12 04:47:51 <spikebike> poor memory bandwidth and cpu perf
Nov 12 04:48:03 <spikebike> but the screen has many less pixels
Nov 12 04:48:04 <vulc4n> there is just no reason for the droid to be so laggy with the hardware it has
Nov 12 04:48:11 <bk> lol
Nov 12 04:48:33 <bk> its like a new page on the net that gets lagged cause of alot of visits
Nov 12 04:48:41 <bk> the hype of the droid slowed down all the phones hahaha
Nov 12 04:49:01 <bk> that would suck, your phone just connects to an OS in the cloud and you run that
Nov 12 04:49:04 <spikebike> 800x480 is quite a few pixels for a mobile cpu/gpu
Nov 12 04:49:16 <vulc4n> but the droid has a solid gpu
Nov 12 04:49:23 <vulc4n> it should be more than enough for 2D stuff
Nov 12 04:49:54 <spikebike> rumors claim the sony has a radically better gpu
Nov 12 04:50:29 <spikebike> something like 22M tri's vs 4M tri's for the droid
Nov 12 04:50:37 <bk> damn
Nov 12 04:50:59 <ari-free> the playstation phone would rule
Nov 12 04:51:45 <ari-free> forget all those bejeweled games
Nov 12 04:52:07 <bk> haha
Nov 12 04:52:10 <bk> that would be the shit
Nov 12 04:52:43 <ari-free> forget those crappy 2d gameloft ports
Nov 12 04:53:02 <Leeds> the j2me ports are very annoying
Nov 12 04:53:02 <bk> lol
Nov 12 04:53:03 <Dingoo> sony would blunder the fuck out of that
Nov 12 04:53:13 <Leeds> particularly since they've got licenses for some really good games
Nov 12 04:53:15 <Dingoo> theyd put a UMD on it
Nov 12 04:53:24 <Dingoo> and charge $1,800
Nov 12 04:57:53 <Leeds> Dingoo: haven't you heard?  it's better to sell a device for $2500 without a UMD
Nov 12 04:58:12 <Dingoo> that wont be out til revision 3
Nov 12 05:02:35 <ari-free> i mean..4 inch screen, 1 ghz and 1 gig ram does sound like something i want
Nov 12 05:02:56 <bk> dream
Nov 12 05:02:59 <bk> we all do it
Nov 12 05:03:00 <spikebike> x10 is similar, but 256 mb ram
Nov 12 05:03:01 <bk> lol
Nov 12 05:04:46 <ari-free> good for android to have
Nov 12 05:05:01 <ari-free> you can't say android gets the bargain bin anymore
Nov 12 05:05:09 <spikebike> ya, droid fixed that
Nov 12 05:09:51 <jeev> look, it's an incorrectly named website. www.peopleofwalmart.com it's actually people of apple store!
Nov 12 05:11:16 <bk> theres the bashing
Nov 12 05:11:17 <bk> lol
Nov 12 05:11:21 <jeev> :>
Nov 12 05:11:41 <jeev> ut oh
Nov 12 05:11:52 <ctate> >:)
Nov 12 05:12:00 <jeev> heh
Nov 12 05:12:10 <bk> lol
Nov 12 05:12:10 <jeev> you oped up to set that as the topic ?!?
Nov 12 05:12:26 <ctate> nah
Nov 12 05:13:59 <ctate> so i had not actually been to a Verizon store since the Droid went official
Nov 12 05:14:16 <ctate> wow.  lots and lots of posters with industrial backgrounds.  :)
Nov 12 05:14:21 <bk> lol
Nov 12 05:14:25 <bk> brb\
Nov 12 05:15:40 <jeev> ctate, what do you expect
Nov 12 05:15:44 <kroot> The only one I see is the one in the local mall here.
Nov 12 05:15:46 <jeev> the country is full of retards, gotta cater to them one way or another
Nov 12 05:16:20 <ctate> kroot: yeah but you live out in Wheatia or Cornifornia or one of those states
Nov 12 05:16:44 <kroot> And it's just a large booth in the middle of the walkway through the mall, so no walls to put posters on
Nov 12 05:17:19 <ctate> i've seen some big billboards on major highways hereabouts, too
Nov 12 05:17:25 <ctate> Verizon is really pulling out the stops on this one
Nov 12 05:17:25 <jeev> where you from ctate
Nov 12 05:17:35 <ctate> jeev: i'm in the Bay Area, california
Nov 12 05:17:38 <jeev> ah
Nov 12 05:17:44 * ctate works @ Google on Android
Nov 12 05:17:46 <jeev> bay area.. s/bay/... area
Nov 12 05:17:47 <jeev> ;)
Nov 12 05:17:48 <jeev> yea i figured
Nov 12 05:17:50 <kroot> ctate: That's it! I'm putting your Cessna order on hold :)
Nov 12 05:17:54 <jeev> but you said 'you live out in cornifornia
Nov 12 05:17:54 <jeev> oh
Nov 12 05:18:08 <jeev> you said cornifornia, didn't fully read it. read c and a at the end :>
Nov 12 05:18:11 <jeev> cxxxxxxxxxa = california
Nov 12 05:18:15 <ctate> hee
Nov 12 05:18:38 <jeev> ctate, so you're the key to 'root' on the droid
Nov 12 05:18:48 <jeev> but you can't help get it, eh
Nov 12 05:18:57 <ctate> nope.
Nov 12 05:19:00 <kroot> I'm only one keystroke away from root
Nov 12 05:19:08 <ctate> i wouldn't even have an idea how to go about it.
Nov 12 05:19:20 <jeev> heh, if you work there.. im sure you'd know how ;D
Nov 12 05:19:23 <ctate> i know nothign whatsoever about motorola's bootloader or the recovery rom or anything.
Nov 12 05:19:50 <jeev> ah
Nov 12 05:20:04 <ctate> i keep my paws out of kernel-land
Nov 12 05:20:12 <jeev> crazy
Nov 12 05:20:17 <kroot> jeev: I imagine they get devices with root already so they don't even bother
Nov 12 05:20:27 <jeev> yea hehe
Nov 12 05:20:42 <jeev> sometimes i hve a minor lag
Nov 12 05:20:45 <jeev> when i try to go back or do anything
Nov 12 05:20:51 <jeev> it sits for a bout 7-8 seconds, then responds
Nov 12 05:20:51 <kroot> key to getting root on your droid: go to work for motorola's android division
Nov 12 05:20:52 <jeev> normal ?
Nov 12 05:21:06 <ctate> kroot: yeah, it sort of goes along with needing devices we can reflash.
Nov 12 05:21:09 <jeev> activity messaging (in application Messaging) is not responding.
Nov 12 05:21:09 <jeev> ;/
Nov 12 05:21:24 <ctate> jeev: on what device?  a droid?
Nov 12 05:21:27 <jeev> yea
Nov 12 05:21:32 <jeev> i pressed wait and it worked
Nov 12 05:21:37 <ctate> do you have long conversations?
Nov 12 05:21:39 <jeev> but there's that lag some of the time, doesn't give me that pop up
Nov 12 05:21:43 <jeev> not too long
Nov 12 05:21:45 <jeev> maybe a 20 text thread
Nov 12 05:22:32 <ctate> doesn't sound too bad.  i dunno.  i suppose you could check out the logcat output while you do that and see if there's anything there
Nov 12 05:22:45 <jeev> logcat ?
Nov 12 05:22:53 <ctate> but maybe the messaging app just does a lot of work when it brings up a thread. or maybe there's a bug.  i dunno.
Nov 12 05:23:06 <jeev> first time it's given me that message in messaging
Nov 12 05:23:10 <jeev> but the lag is throughout everything
Nov 12 05:23:37 <ctate>  interesting
Nov 12 05:23:48 <ctate> i bet if you rebooted it, it'd get better at least for a while.  sigh.
Nov 12 05:24:03 <jeev> not too often, i'd say 2% of the time but 2% is a lot when you press the screen 400 times in an hour ;D
Nov 12 05:24:07 <jeev> it just came from a reboot ;)
Nov 12 05:24:09 <ctate> heh, yeah
Nov 12 05:24:11 <ctate> oh, huh
Nov 12 05:24:30 <ctate> i suppose you could be running software taht does a lot of background work
Nov 12 05:24:41 <ctate> obviously if you haven't installed any Market apps that's out
Nov 12 05:24:45 <spikebike> I would be highly amused if the best android device because the n900 because they added dalvik and still gave you root
Nov 12 05:24:51 <jeev> na, just math
Nov 12 05:25:01 <jeev> n900 looks sexy
Nov 12 05:25:02 <ctate> spikebike: ha ha
Nov 12 05:25:19 <ctate> as i recall, the N900 is basically the same hw as a Droid
Nov 12 05:25:34 <spikebike> yeah, reasonably similar, same resolution, thicker, similar cpu/ram
Nov 12 05:26:03 <iDialekt> Thats a tough choice but logically android is just more functional
Nov 12 05:26:10 <ari-free> the N900 has a 3.5-inch display, but unlike Apple's phone, it doesn't have a capacitive screen, meaning that more pressure is required for the display to acknowledge your commands
Nov 12 05:26:10 <iDialekt> And quicker.. Less geeky
Nov 12 05:26:25 <kroot> How big is the internal flash on the Droid
Nov 12 05:26:30 <iDialekt> I used the n900 and was surprisingly dissappointed
Nov 12 05:26:44 <spikebike> iDialekt: oh?  in what?
Nov 12 05:26:49 <spikebike> I've not touched one
Nov 12 05:26:58 <iDialekt> ari-free: Yes but the resistive screen was
Nov 12 05:27:08 <ari-free> it looks great. but nokia always picks the wrong software side to be on
Nov 12 05:27:08 <iDialekt> Was the best I've ever used
Nov 12 05:27:12 <ctate> kroot: hm, i forget.  i want to say on the order of 150-200 MB free on /data out of the box, but i don't really remember.
Nov 12 05:28:44 <Leeds> N900 is getting a lot of slightly inexplicable hype around here for being the true free Linuxphone
Nov 12 05:29:13 <ctate> the N900 has a resistive screen?
Nov 12 05:29:18 <ari-free> which turns off all the commercial developers
Nov 12 05:29:25 <ctate> FAIL
Nov 12 05:29:54 <spikebike> folks that have compared the n900 screen vs capacitive say they both seem to perform similarly, just no multitouch
Nov 12 05:30:08 <kroot> After using Droid and Moment, I realize the G1's keyboard is pretty darn good.
Nov 12 05:30:15 <ctate> :)
Nov 12 05:30:18 <spikebike> kroot: I'm sad to agree
Nov 12 05:30:24 <ctate> it is, actually
Nov 12 05:30:35 <ari-free> the people who go for all the gnu stuff won't be able to buy this phone
Nov 12 05:30:45 <spikebike> and of course droid has no multitouch in the browser, keyboard, or maps
Nov 12 05:31:13 <ctate> Android does not require multitouch for full use of the platform UI
Nov 12 05:31:19 <ctate> that's policy.
Nov 12 05:31:56 <unicron> isn't there a multitouch browser in the market?
Nov 12 05:32:29 <ctate> oh, as of 2.0 the Android API exposes multiple-touch info to apps
Nov 12 05:32:41 <ctate> so people can go ahead and write it into their own apps
Nov 12 05:33:12 <ari-free> and you can compete with OS functionality unlike another famous phone
Nov 12 05:33:14 <Macer> hm. cyanogen 4.2.4 is out huh?
Nov 12 05:33:46 <Rhoruns> cm424 is out? omgomgomg
Nov 12 05:33:53 * ctate | A Staten Island teen trying to text while walking fell into an open manhole
Nov 12 05:33:57 * Rhoruns clamours to XDA.
Nov 12 05:34:01 <ctate> friend, dont' drink and Droid.
Nov 12 05:34:10 <Macer> Rhoruns: well. at least that is what the cm updater says
Nov 12 05:34:13 <Rhoruns> lmao, awesome
Nov 12 05:34:13 <Macer> i just installed it :)
Nov 12 05:34:19 <ctate> i know cm was working on it earlier today :)
Nov 12 05:34:24 <notj> shit dont drive and droid either ;x
Nov 12 05:34:29 <kroot> ctate: She actually fell in as a phone was being handed between two friends
Nov 12 05:34:41 <ctate> kroot: even better
Nov 12 05:35:18 <Macer> ugh... silly thing decided to get rid of my theme :)
Nov 12 05:35:45 <elmuSS0> who can tell me, why Skype version for iPhone has ability to voice talk, but android version of it, doesn't have
Nov 12 05:35:52 * zinx wants an upgraded ADP1 :<
Nov 12 05:36:04 <Macer> elmuSS0: the skype lite app for android totally sucks ass that's why
Nov 12 05:36:08 <Macer> what a piece of crap :)
Nov 12 05:36:37 <elmuSS0> so why? fuckin iphone has proper version?
Nov 12 05:36:42 <kroot> zinx: maybe someone will superglue the G1 keyboard to the Droid
Nov 12 05:37:49 <ari-free> well qik for android has realtime streaming and the iphone version doesn't
Nov 12 05:42:03 <Leeds> the skype app was released pretty early on, when Android didn't really have the necessary APIs to do VoIP... unfortunately, they haven't seen fit to upgrade it to a full release since
Nov 12 05:43:58 <Ballresin> man the browser is touchy... scrolls to bottom of the page constantly
Nov 12 05:44:07 <ari-free> hmm the dolphin browser actually tries to work with cyan mods
Nov 12 05:44:16 <jeev> does android support voip ?
Nov 12 05:44:21 <ari-free> they win major geek points for that
Nov 12 05:44:23 <ari-free> yes
Nov 12 05:44:26 <jeev> sexy
Nov 12 05:44:30 <jeev> so we could slap a sip client on it
Nov 12 05:44:30 <jeev> ?
Nov 12 05:45:00 <unicron> sipdroid.org i think
Nov 12 05:45:13 <jeev> sexy
Nov 12 05:45:57 <elmuSS0> Leeds i think there is an option for voip talks on this android versions
Nov 12 05:46:09 <elmuSS0> you can put there your phone number
Nov 12 05:46:24 <Leeds> yes, sipdroid works fine - but that came out after the skype app
Nov 12 05:46:27 <elmuSS0> and there is something about paying for calls
Nov 12 05:46:39 <elmuSS0> but i need to call for free
Nov 12 05:46:56 <elmuSS0> to poeple that are using normal PC version of skype
Nov 12 05:49:34 <Ballresin> anyone know the purpose of all 4 front facing holes near droids earpiece?
Nov 12 05:49:56 <pfn> there's 4 holes?
Nov 12 05:50:36 <Ballresin> proximity, light, and led....what else?
Nov 12 05:51:20 <Ballresin> look at the glass in bright light... mine has 4 holes
Nov 12 05:53:03 <Ballresin> 2nd from the left has something with a lense on it.
Nov 12 05:54:24 <DigitalFiz> thats google spy
Nov 12 05:54:42 <DigitalFiz> it watches your ear wax levels and alerts you when they reach a certain threshold
Nov 12 05:54:57 <DigitalFiz> its still in beta
Nov 12 05:59:31 <teratoma> showoff
Nov 12 05:59:49 <DigitalFiz> lol
Nov 12 06:05:28 <Leeds> http://rsandsconsulting.com/2009/11/10/instant-bad-karma/
Nov 12 06:06:29 <ctate> oh god, lee williams
Nov 12 06:06:46 * ctate once worked with him.
Nov 12 06:07:01 <Leeds> I was offered a job at Symbian in 2000... I turned them down
Nov 12 06:07:34 <Leeds> also, 3com and Veritas around the same time
Nov 12 06:07:48 <Leeds> symbian is so dead
Nov 12 06:09:23 <Leeds> "We have 3 big OEMS: Samsung, SonyEricsson and Nokia" - oops, make that 2
Nov 12 06:09:53 <snadge> possibly 1 soon :P
Nov 12 06:09:55 * ctate | Anyway, Android is not open-source.
Nov 12 06:09:59 <ctate> from the first comment on that article
Nov 12 06:10:14 <cbeust> Things are never open source enough for some people
Nov 12 06:10:18 <ctate> "not open-source" except for, you know, being able to download the source and all.
Nov 12 06:10:23 <zinx> Samsung and SonyEricsson are both releasing Android devices, but i doubt they are stopping their symbian ones
Nov 12 06:10:25 <Leeds> ctate: ahem, 2.0? :P
Nov 12 06:10:44 <cbeust> 2.0 is not open source "yet"
Nov 12 06:10:49 <cbeust> There's no ill will
Nov 12 06:10:58 <Leeds> zinx: Samsung are severely downgrading their Symbian support over the next couple of years, from reports in the past week or so
Nov 12 06:10:58 <ctate> Leeds: got resume?  jbq needs a ton of help.  :P
Nov 12 06:11:06 <cbeust> We're trying, just don't ahve enough time
Nov 12 06:11:11 <Macer> have to check out this new episode of V :)
Nov 12 06:11:18 <Leeds> ctate: last time I applied for a job at Google I was told to piss off because I don't speak Mandarin :P
Nov 12 06:11:24 <ctate> ?!
Nov 12 06:11:33 <pfn> https://supportforums.motorola.com/message/65802#65802
Nov 12 06:11:37 <pfn> hmm, that is most everything
Nov 12 06:11:38 <ari-free> he'd get more help from the community if...the source was available.
Nov 12 06:11:44 <Leeds> for a job in Hong Kong... where Cantonese and English are official languages
Nov 12 06:11:49 <Macer> Leeds: haha
Nov 12 06:11:54 <ctate> Leeds: oh man
Nov 12 06:12:01 <pfn> s/everything/interesting
Nov 12 06:12:03 <cbeust> ari-free: it's a catch 22, you want to help us open source but it has to be already open source?
Nov 12 06:12:13 <pfn> english isn't an official language in hong kong anymore, is it
Nov 12 06:12:17 <zinx> oh, tfa mentions samsung ditching symbian, woo
Nov 12 06:12:17 <pfn> hasn't been since '94 or whatever
Nov 12 06:12:26 <Macer> you would think by now they would have found one dialect of chinese :)
Nov 12 06:12:28 <Leeds> cbeust: to be fair, it's pretty hard for anyone outside GOOG to help jbq
Nov 12 06:12:31 <pfn> zinx, in favor of their own OS "bada"
Nov 12 06:12:36 <zinx> Leeds: it's funny that they're ditching symbian, but making their phones' UIs look as bad as symbian :P
Nov 12 06:12:40 <cbeust> Leeds: it's hard even inside Google :)
Nov 12 06:12:41 <Leeds> pfn: the handover was 1997, and English is still an official language
Nov 12 06:12:50 <ari-free> but jbq's a great guy and working very hard. i don't want to pressure him
Nov 12 06:12:56 <ctate> amen
Nov 12 06:13:01 <Leeds> yeah, we like jbq
Nov 12 06:13:06 <Macer> the communist chinese government has to lay down the iron fist and enforce strict punishment for only speaking 1 dialect
Nov 12 06:13:12 <zinx> (see: Behold 2 or whatever that stupid cube phone with the dumbphone-looking interface is)
Nov 12 06:13:31 <Leeds> Macer: fortunately, the communist (purely in name) chinese government does not (directly) rule Hong Kong
Nov 12 06:13:40 <ari-free> samsung, nokia...stick to hardware and we'll handle the rest
Nov 12 06:13:42 <Macer> Leeds: they don't?
Nov 12 06:13:44 <Macer> uhm
Nov 12 06:13:49 <pfn> hong kong is an "SAR" iirc
Nov 12 06:13:54 <pfn> kind of like an independent state
Nov 12 06:14:02 <Leeds> autonomous, not independent
Nov 12 06:14:02 <Macer> there is no such thing in china :)
Nov 12 06:14:20 <ctate> Leeds: this is so very very complicated :)
Nov 12 06:14:33 <Leeds> ctate: AOSP or HKSAR? ;)
Nov 12 06:14:40 <Macer> Leeds: the chinese are communist as a nation. but capitalist as an entire nation :)
Nov 12 06:14:41 <ctate> also it reminds me that i want to re-read those great mysteries by William Marshall set in Hong Kong
Nov 12 06:14:52 <ctate> Leeds: i was thinking of HK :)
Nov 12 06:14:59 <Macer> meaning their economy is still based on communism.. but their world economy is based on capitalism
Nov 12 06:15:19 <pfn> ctate, got a comment on that google thread?
Nov 12 06:15:27 <pfn> SOLUTION:  I noticed through trial/error that messages with invalid headers tend to cause a crash.  Example:  if the "To:" line is "undisclosed recipients ;" rather than an email address that can be parsed, it crashes EVERY TIME.  I use Fastmail, and was able to resolve my issues by creating a sieve filter that moves email with invalid headers into a subfolder, which I never open from my phone.
Nov 12 06:15:31 <ctate> "that google thread"? t he one about the Email app crashing, pfn?
Nov 12 06:15:33 <pfn> This discussion should probably be moved to a forum that Google monitors - *** does Motorola care about the software?
Nov 12 06:15:34 <ctate> timing
Nov 12 06:15:35 <Leeds> ctate: anyway, the point about the job was - I think - that although there was no language requirement in the job posting, it would be managed out of Bejing, and the manager there made it clear he wasn't going to hire someone who didn't speak his language... pity, really
Nov 12 06:15:36 <pfn> (quote)
Nov 12 06:15:39 <pfn> er, yeah, mot thread
Nov 12 06:15:40 <pfn> my bad
Nov 12 06:15:42 <ctate> i dont' know anything about the Email app
Nov 12 06:15:50 <ctate> but on general principles:  sigh.
Nov 12 06:15:50 * pfn is doing too many things at once
Nov 12 06:16:01 <Ballresin> are there any good file server / web server apps for android?
Nov 12 06:16:26 <ctate> Ballresin: isnt' taht rather like drinking your milkshake through a cocktail straw?
Nov 12 06:16:32 <Macer> Ballresin: to run on a phone?
Nov 12 06:16:56 <snadge> leeds: shoulda told the manager to learn a real language ;)
Nov 12 06:16:57 <Macer> Ballresin: yes. it's called a good system with opensolaris installed :)
Nov 12 06:17:08 <Ballresin> not for production, just for an in case scenario
Nov 12 06:17:38 <Ballresin> opensolaris? wtf?
Nov 12 06:17:49 <pfn> ctate, so--who to bug to get that fixed if it is true?
Nov 12 06:17:53 <Leeds> Ballresin: there's a usable webdav server, something like ondisk
Nov 12 06:18:08 <ctate> pfn: file a bug.
Nov 12 06:18:09 <pfn> b.android.com doesn't really appear monitored... at least it's hard to tell with >1000 open issues
Nov 12 06:18:16 <ctate> it is, actually
Nov 12 06:18:27 <Leeds> jbq in particular does a lot of triage on it
Nov 12 06:18:40 <pfn> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=4180&q=bluetooth%20speaker&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Owner%20Summary%20Stars
Nov 12 06:18:43 <pfn> I want that "fixed"
Nov 12 06:18:43 <pfn> heh
Nov 12 06:18:45 <ctate> typically what happens is that bugs there get replicated on the internal tracker
Nov 12 06:18:55 <pfn> too many embarrassing moments yesterday playing with my bluetooth headset
Nov 12 06:19:04 <ctate> which i agree needs to be more outward facing -- this is on the list but see above re "got resume"
Nov 12 06:19:15 <pfn> I wanted to test out the range, and I spent a little bit too long out of range
Nov 12 06:19:31 <Leeds> ctate: one might surmise that 'be more open' isn't at the top of management's priority list
Nov 12 06:19:59 <Macer> i would give anything for myspace and facebook to cease to exist :)
Nov 12 06:20:13 <Macer> oops. wrong #
Nov 12 06:20:14 <pfn> ctate, it'd be interesting if you're hiring in android... I dunno about outward facing  ;-)
Nov 12 06:20:25 <snadge> macer: was going to say.. suicide would accomplish that ;)
Nov 12 06:20:33 <pfn> unfortunately, I've got 0 experience on android thus far  :(
Nov 12 06:20:35 <Macer> snadge: haha
Nov 12 06:20:43 <Macer> snadge: suicide bombing?
Nov 12 06:20:52 <ctate> we are indeed hiring.
Nov 12 06:21:13 <pfn> probably nearly a decade of java experience, but none with android yet
Nov 12 06:21:17 <ctate> pfn: "outward facing" in the sense that absoluetly the status fo bugs should be communicated better to the outside originators
Nov 12 06:22:00 <ctate> but for example the internal tracker is where we can e.g. cc vendors with unannounced products, which is simply not viable with an externally-visible bug db
Nov 12 06:22:08 <pfn> indeed
Nov 12 06:22:24 <ctate> so it's not as simple as "just switch to using the b.android.com system"
Nov 12 06:22:44 <ctate> we know this should be improved, and are working on it, but we only have so many people and we have oh-so-much work to do :)
Nov 12 06:22:52 <pfn> that's always the case
Nov 12 06:22:59 <pfn> especially in this age of "do more with less"
Nov 12 06:23:54 <ctate> lots of java experience?  why not give google a try!  ;)
Nov 12 06:24:00 <cbeust> ctate++
Nov 12 06:25:14 <zinx> i think i would rather work for a company who understands that open source means publicly available, not available only to those who have exclusive contracts
Nov 12 06:25:45 <Leeds> zinx: see above - it's a matter of prioritisation
Nov 12 06:26:02 <zinx> i see one thing:  the source isn't available.
Nov 12 06:26:02 <ctate> well, that and freaking PERMISSION from the copyright holders etc when they are not us.
Nov 12 06:26:15 <Leeds> I'm sure that plenty of the individuals see that... but the company as a whole (i.e. management) don't
Nov 12 06:26:22 <ctate> how long did it take people to get HTC to open source their Hero kernel sources?
Nov 12 06:26:25 <EugeneKay> 06:26:06 up 6 days, 15:57, load average: 2.36, 2.52., 2.24
Nov 12 06:26:31 <zinx> ctate: for f'n ever
Nov 12 06:26:36 <zinx> and i really REALLY hated and complained about that
Nov 12 06:26:37 <ctate> and that was source that they owned
Nov 12 06:26:42 <Leeds> ctate: in which case that code shouldn't have been included in Android in the first place
Nov 12 06:26:46 <zinx> and as soon as they released it, i made use of it
Nov 12 06:26:50 <ctate> we're in the position of having to cajole htc, qualcomm, ti, whoever to let us release stuff
Nov 12 06:27:07 <ctate> letter-of-intent coming to fruition takes longer tahn we'd like
Nov 12 06:27:21 <ctate> or wahtever the actual legal process is; i'm not in that loop
Nov 12 06:27:29 <Leeds> if the open-ness was a top priority, there wouldn't be a need to fix closed-ness after things break
Nov 12 06:27:36 <ctate> and grrr rarr about the proprietary binaries
Nov 12 06:27:51 <ctate> and another big chunk is the unannounced-product stuff
Nov 12 06:28:14 <ctate> are there change comments that mention as-yet-unannounced products?  that's problematic
Nov 12 06:28:25 <ctate> are there comments in the *code* that do that?  that's even worse.
Nov 12 06:28:28 <ctate> etc.
Nov 12 06:28:51 <ctate> it's not like jbq just has to rsync everything to kernel.org and that's the end of it.
Nov 12 06:29:46 <ctate> the big reason that a big wodge of the donut source drop was a snapshot with no history is that there were change comments that mentioned "sholes"
Nov 12 06:30:13 <ctate> so exposing the history had to wait for moto & verizon to announce
Nov 12 06:30:48 <spikebike> heh
Nov 12 06:30:49 <spikebike> amusing
Nov 12 06:31:02 <spikebike> they should have picked a fish name
Nov 12 06:31:10 <spikebike> nobody would have blinked ;-)
Nov 12 06:31:11 <ctate> leaking someone else's product plans?  uncool.  :)
Nov 12 06:31:18 <ctate> shoals?  :)
Nov 12 06:31:22 <spikebike> heh
Nov 12 06:31:26 <spikebike> salmon
Nov 12 06:31:41 <ari-free> Dr. Sholes?
Nov 12 06:32:02 <ctate> actually http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Latham_Sholes
Nov 12 06:32:15 <ctate> the man who invented the QWERTY keyboard
Nov 12 06:32:28 <notj> all be damned
Nov 12 06:32:31 <ari-free> despised by dvorak fans everywhere
Nov 12 06:32:41 <pfn> neat, so that's the reasoning behind the codename
Nov 12 06:32:51 <pfn> you'd figure his last name would be qwerty  ;-)
Nov 12 06:32:52 <ctate> afaik
Nov 12 06:32:55 <ctate> ha ha
Nov 12 06:32:58 <notj> kekeke
Nov 12 06:34:25 <ari-free> even people who adopted the metric system still use qwerty keyboards
Nov 12 06:35:24 <ctate> well, not all of them
Nov 12 06:35:27 <ctate> some use AZERTY!
Nov 12 06:35:40 <ctate> or QWERTZ!
Nov 12 06:36:01 <ctate> and in italy, QZERTY
Nov 12 06:36:07 <ctate> those wacky Italians
Nov 12 06:36:13 <iDialekt> Still a few more things that make me not want to come over to android
Nov 12 06:36:55 <ctate> :(
Nov 12 06:38:36 <notj> how sad
Nov 12 06:39:32 <Leeds> hmm, so I don't want to import a German, French *or* Italian Milestone...
Nov 12 06:39:38 <notj> can any themes let me hide icons or smthn in all applications
Nov 12 06:39:41 <notj> list
Nov 12 06:40:28 <ari-free> androlib now reports 15883 apps
Nov 12 06:40:48 <Leeds> but Apple has 68 million!!!
Nov 12 06:41:46 <ari-free> i'm not worried about apple
Nov 12 06:42:21 <notj> ;)
Nov 12 06:42:52 <ari-free> once flash comes to android, that's 5 zillion web games
Nov 12 06:43:36 <Leeds> ugh
Nov 12 06:44:16 <ari-free> including all those facebook apps
Nov 12 06:45:15 <Leeds> ugh ugh
Nov 12 06:45:16 <ari-free> the typical iphone user has the typical facebook page of 5 zillion little apps
Nov 12 06:45:27 <ari-free> of course they will switch :)
Nov 12 06:46:07 <ari-free> that's the curse of appealing to casual users
Nov 12 06:46:54 <ari-free> they need all those little things like animated cursors
Nov 12 06:47:59 <Leeds> ugh ugh ugh ugh etc. :)
Nov 12 06:48:16 <pfn> what few more things...
Nov 12 06:49:11 <ctate> nighty night folks
Nov 12 06:49:37 <ari-free> the bottom line is apple still hates enterprise and the xbox gamer
Nov 12 06:51:26 <ari-free> that is how you get longevity instead of people chasing over tiny little apps
Nov 12 06:53:10 <ari-free> I mean...I watch this iphone commercial: oh we have a tip calculator and a bird watch app
Nov 12 06:57:21 <EugeneKay> ari-free - don't forget iFart
Nov 12 06:57:41 <DigitalFiz> and SPORE :D
Nov 12 06:59:06 <ari-free> yeah but iphone does have some cool stuff. Why don't they show that off
Nov 12 07:00:52 <ari-free> I think they just don't want to go that route. they want one phone and not a special gamers iphone that keeps up with nvidia
Nov 12 07:01:08 <ari-free> kind of like nintendo wii
Nov 12 07:02:18 <spikebike> the nvidia pda/mids look pretty cool, I wouldn't mind a decent gpu on my phone
Nov 12 07:04:27 <ari-free> yeah. i want to see how it compares with snapdragon
Nov 12 07:04:42 <Macer> maybe if they're not like the touchbook
Nov 12 07:06:03 <pfn> the snapdragon phones are all going to be underclocked to like 700mhz anyway
Nov 12 07:06:14 <pfn> so it's not going to be hugely faster than the droid, happily (as a droid user)  :)
Nov 12 07:06:25 <pfn> 1ghz and you can kiss your battery life goodbye
Nov 12 07:07:01 <ari-free> stupid battery is always in the way of progress
Nov 12 07:07:26 <licksjp> Hello
Nov 12 07:07:37 <ari-free> hi
Nov 12 07:07:45 <agile> can't wait for them to figure out how to power the phones from hooman electricity
Nov 12 07:07:53 <Macer> agile: haha
Nov 12 07:08:09 <Macer> thermal heat from the human body converted into electrical energy? :)
Nov 12 07:08:12 <licksjp> what happen this site??
Nov 12 07:08:15 <licksjp> http://www.cyrket.com/
Nov 12 07:08:25 <Macer> doesn't best buy sell some pad you rest phones on?
Nov 12 07:08:26 <pfn> looks like it's gone away
Nov 12 07:08:29 <ari-free> iFart power
Nov 12 07:08:31 <Macer> and it charges the battery?
Nov 12 07:08:41 <licksjp> white screen init
Nov 12 07:08:54 <ari-free> first they made fun...now it's iFart for the enterprise
Nov 12 07:09:19 <BigRedPimp> Macer: yeah. induction chargers.
Nov 12 07:09:28 <Macer> BigRedPimp: does that actually work? :)
Nov 12 07:09:39 <Macer> what does it do? send gamma rays into the phone?
Nov 12 07:10:10 <BigRedPimp> depends on the device
Nov 12 07:10:22 <BigRedPimp> sometimes you need an adapter or special battery cover
Nov 12 07:10:29 <zinx> Macer: magnetic field at a highish frequency
Nov 12 07:10:52 <Macer> an adapter?
Nov 12 07:11:07 <Macer> what would be the phone if you needed an adapter? :)
Nov 12 07:11:15 <Macer> phone/point
Nov 12 07:11:58 <pfn> you don't need an adapter as in a brick
Nov 12 07:12:10 <Leeds> cyrket is dead, at least temporarily... it was doing too much traffic
Nov 12 07:12:12 <pfn> but you need a special induction plate which can be used to motivate electrons to charge
Nov 12 07:12:36 <BigRedPimp> Macer: just something to plug in to the device so it can actually charge that way
Nov 12 07:13:10 <pfn> BigRedPimp, nothing says it can't be built into the batteries or something
Nov 12 07:13:21 <pfn> and induction charging has been around for a long time, surprising it hasn't hit mainstream yet
Nov 12 07:13:23 <BigRedPimp> pfn: right, but I haven't seen those yet
Nov 12 07:13:35 <pfn> lots of cordless phones and electric toothbrushes do it
Nov 12 07:13:46 <pfn> cordless phones in japan have been doing it for like well over 10 years now
Nov 12 07:13:53 <BigRedPimp> most induction chargers I've messed with (Wii chargers, actually) have a special battery packs
Nov 12 07:14:08 <pfn> my oral-b toothbrush also charges inductively, and I've had that for like over 5 or 6 years now
Nov 12 07:14:16 <Macer> pfn: we are always behind the japanese
Nov 12 07:14:18 <Macer> :)
Nov 12 07:14:34 <pfn> it's not quite a "pad" that you can just throw your gadgets on, though
Nov 12 07:14:42 <pfn> since the field is pretty small
Nov 12 07:14:45 <Macer> pfn: yeah. that is what i thought it was
Nov 12 07:14:48 <Macer> heh
Nov 12 07:15:01 <Macer> like some thing the size of a mouse pad tha tyou just toss your phone onto
Nov 12 07:15:03 <Macer> and it charges
Nov 12 07:15:05 <pfn> it's just "contactless" charging (contactless as in no metal-to-metal"
Nov 12 07:15:06 <Macer> that would be great
Nov 12 07:15:33 <Macer> i'm looking for one now
Nov 12 07:15:41 <Macer> to find information on it
Nov 12 07:15:43 <pfn> Macer, and oh yeah, zimbra is teh win  :p
Nov 12 07:15:50 <pfn> despite you not being able to get it to work for you
Nov 12 07:15:56 <pfn> :p
Nov 12 07:16:48 <Macer> pfn: i did get it to work :)
Nov 12 07:16:50 <Macer> i'm running it now
Nov 12 07:16:59 <Macer> the only thing that turns me off about it... is the documents section
Nov 12 07:17:13 <Macer> have you tried adding a spreadsheet using anything but ie yet?
Nov 12 07:17:16 <pfn> oh yeah, you were complaining about spreadsheets
Nov 12 07:17:23 <Macer> heh
Nov 12 07:17:26 <pfn> no, I don't really use documents in zimbra, I usually use openoffice
Nov 12 07:17:42 <Macer> pfn: well. the goal was to eliminate everything but zimbra
Nov 12 07:18:01 <Macer> considering most people simply use like... word and excel anyways
Nov 12 07:18:32 <pfn> I don't even know how to create a spreadsheet, heh
Nov 12 07:18:39 <Macer> there are very few people that use more than that in an office enviroment unless their job requires it. but for day to day office work they could have used the zimbra documents section
Nov 12 07:18:58 <Macer> but the stupid thing doesn't wrok right in any other thing than ie :)
Nov 12 07:19:12 <Macer> in ie it is just like using excel.. in ff you have to double click each individual cell
Nov 12 07:19:38 <Macer> same goes for safari... chrome... etc. ie was the only one that worked correctly. how lame
Nov 12 07:19:40 <pfn> ah, new spreadsheet in briefcase
Nov 12 07:19:52 <Macer> other than that though.... zimbra is pretty awesome
Nov 12 07:19:54 <Macer> :)
Nov 12 07:19:55 <pfn> huh?
Nov 12 07:19:58 <pfn> spreadsheet works fine for me
Nov 12 07:20:04 <pfn> I don't have to click in any cell to edit
Nov 12 07:20:05 <pfn> just type and go
Nov 12 07:20:10 <Macer> are you in ie?
Nov 12 07:20:12 <pfn> arrow key around, type and it edits the cell
Nov 12 07:20:13 <pfn> no, ff 3.5
Nov 12 07:20:17 <pfn> on 6.0.2
Nov 12 07:20:17 <Macer> wtf?
Nov 12 07:20:20 <Macer> what ver ?
Nov 12 07:20:24 <Macer> LIES!
Nov 12 07:20:25 <Macer> haha
Nov 12 07:20:34 <Macer> i'm runnign 6.0.2 and have the same problem
Nov 12 07:21:12 <pfn> if I had something that could easily screenshare, I'd let you see
Nov 12 07:21:15 <pfn> but it works fine for me
Nov 12 07:21:28 <Macer> wtf. in the documents section?
Nov 12 07:22:00 <pfn> briefcase -> new spreadsheet
Nov 12 07:22:02 <pfn> start typing
Nov 12 07:22:06 <pfn> and it goes right into a1
Nov 12 07:22:44 <pfn> too bad I don't have anything like adobeconnect or whatever handy
Nov 12 07:22:53 <jeev> ok this phone is too buggy
Nov 12 07:22:57 <pfn> and I could prove it to you
Nov 12 07:23:06 <jeev> trying to text, would hit send, nothing would happen. h ad to move it around for a minute and do other shit for it to work
Nov 12 07:24:56 <pfn> hasn't happened to me...
Nov 12 07:25:05 <pfn> most of the bugginess for me revolves around email
Nov 12 07:25:08 <pfn> and bluetooth a2dp
Nov 12 07:25:28 <pfn> a lot of times, I need to force reconnect to the headset in order to hear music again properly
Nov 12 07:27:54 <Macer> wtf
Nov 12 07:28:13 <Macer> yeah. that seems like an idiotic way to do it :) before you were able to add the spreadsheets to the documents section within a page
Nov 12 07:29:09 <jeev> i dont use email much
Nov 12 07:29:12 <jeev> it just downloads, i've yet to send one
Nov 12 07:29:19 <jeev> i'm still relying on my other provider blackberry for email.
Nov 12 07:29:27 <jeev> text keeps freezing, i even deleted the thread
Nov 12 07:31:26 <Macer> they need to integrate it into teh interface like it is in the documents section
Nov 12 07:31:46 <Macer> instead of that whole.. open a new window and use a spreadsheet/document stuff they have going on
Nov 12 08:15:01 <Macer> heh
Nov 12 08:15:38 <Macer> i'm trying to load the advanced zimbra interface on my phone
Nov 12 08:15:44 <Macer> it's probably going to blow up
Nov 12 08:40:34 <pfn> Macer, didn't work for me in the android browser
Nov 12 08:40:48 <pfn> Macer, probably need to port the iphone's web interface to also work with android
Nov 12 08:40:52 <pfn> should behave the same...
Nov 12 09:01:12 <Macer> pfn: not really worth it
Nov 12 09:01:20 <Macer> although i wish the mobile zimbra web client had chat support
Nov 12 09:01:26 <Macer> it has briefcase support now so who knows
Nov 12 09:02:03 <Macer> i'm putting an mp4 in a briefcase.. that would be pretty awesome if i could use this in order to get filse from the house since sftp seems to go like a damn snail on the g1
Nov 12 09:02:12 <Macer> maybe the https stuff will work better
Nov 12 09:09:24 <Macer> blah
Nov 12 09:09:33 <Macer> silly ass phone is still "waiting on a data connection"
Nov 12 09:51:21 <Jubei> i think I might have bricked my android
Nov 12 09:51:33 <Jubei> android developer phone*
Nov 12 09:51:46 <acumo> ouch, how'd that happen?
Nov 12 09:52:13 <Jubei> i tried to install cyanogen mod but the first update step failed half-way and then the device refuses to boot even on fastboot mode
Nov 12 09:52:57 <Jubei> it gets to the screen that looks like fastboot (with all the colours) but says "Serial 0" instead of fastboot
Nov 12 09:56:55 <acumo> :(
Nov 12 10:03:25 <BigRedPimp> anybody familiar with any Japanese IME solutions that are 2.0-friendly?
Nov 12 10:04:16 <Jubei> birdedpimp
Nov 12 10:04:27 <Jubei> BigRedPimp: are you in japan?
Nov 12 10:04:32 <BigRedPimp> no
Nov 12 10:04:53 <Jubei> BigRedPimp: i am ;)
Nov 12 10:05:04 <Jubei> BigRedPimp: and would be very interested to have japanese ime on my 1.6
Nov 12 10:06:04 <BigRedPimp> the sdk is taunting me with an IME but I'd really like to get it set up on my wife's Droid
Nov 12 10:06:08 <Slasher`> is it possible to unlock the dext easily?
Nov 12 10:07:46 <Jubei> BigRedPimp: you have android 2.0 ? on which device?
Nov 12 10:08:06 <BigRedPimp> Droid/Milestone
Nov 12 10:08:14 <Jubei> BigRedPimp: ic.
Nov 12 10:11:13 <Jubei> i find it interesting why there isn't proper language support on android yet
Nov 12 10:11:41 <Jubei> it's been out over a year now
Nov 12 10:13:34 <BigRedPimp> there's an IME on the market but it's a trial version
Nov 12 10:13:54 <BigRedPimp> Kaede v3
Nov 12 10:14:12 <Jubei> I would expect language support to be implemented and  included in the main branch of the code
Nov 12 10:14:38 <Jubei> really strange for a mobile os as popular as android
Nov 12 10:14:47 <BigRedPimp> yes, but sometimes that stuff isn't included for different markets
Nov 12 10:14:52 <BigRedPimp> to keep things small
Nov 12 10:15:01 <Jubei> BigRedPimp: I guess.
Nov 12 10:15:26 <BigRedPimp> I mean, it makes more sense in the US to keep 2, maybe 3, languages supported
Nov 12 10:15:50 <BigRedPimp> at least the OS can be extended in such a way that an addon app is all you need
Nov 12 10:16:44 <Jubei> BigRedPimp: yea
Nov 12 10:17:35 <BigRedPimp> but I'd at least like to see official options available in the market
Nov 12 10:18:24 <Jubei> BigRedPimp: there was something fishy about android right from the very start
Nov 12 10:18:57 <Jubei> BigRedPimp: been reading stuff about developers complaining that it's not really open source
Nov 12 10:19:35 <Jubei> BigRedPimp: and that it's not easy for developers to make contributions (although please don't quote me on that coz I'm not sure if it's entirely accurate)
Nov 12 10:19:57 <BigRedPimp> I learned a long time ago not to trust the Internet Rumor Mill
Nov 12 10:20:20 <BigRedPimp> it tends to quite often be full of bs
Nov 12 10:20:55 <Jubei> well yeah, still ... 1year down the line and I still can't write japanese :/ and I'm definitely not paying for it.
Nov 12 10:28:16 <ilsanto_> hi all
Nov 12 10:31:12 <BigRedPimp> heh. OpenWnn worked until I switched orientations
Nov 12 10:31:20 <BigRedPimp> then crashed all over the place
Nov 12 10:40:07 <snadge> are their any arm based netbooks yet?
Nov 12 10:40:40 <snadge> i've heard amazing stories about snapdragons and hd movie playing arm netbooks running linux.. but.. it seems too good to be true ;)
Nov 12 10:42:46 <spikebike> most of hd playback can be offloaded to the gpu
Nov 12 10:43:06 <spikebike> in fact there android ziig or whatever it's called can do hd playback
Nov 12 10:46:49 <phils> i'm trying to get android source on ubuntu 9.10
Nov 12 10:47:02 <phils> it can't find java5-jdk .. any ideas?
Nov 12 10:52:16 <unicron> try sudo update-java-alternatives -s java-1.5.0-sun
Nov 12 10:53:14 <phils> update-java-alernatives: command not found
Nov 12 10:54:11 <unicron> you're missing a t :)
Nov 12 10:54:21 <phils> that was me typing the error wrong
Nov 12 10:54:23 <phils> i think
Nov 12 10:54:32 <phils> phil@ubuntu:~$ sudo update-java-alternatives -s java-1.5.0-sun
Nov 12 10:54:32 <phils> sudo: update-java-alternatives: command not found
Nov 12 10:55:00 <phils> i just did a fresh install of ubuntu 9.10 in vmware
Nov 12 10:55:09 <unicron> you already did this?  sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jdk
Nov 12 10:55:25 <phils> phil@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jdk
Nov 12 10:55:25 <phils> Reading package lists... Done
Nov 12 10:55:25 <phils> Building dependency tree
Nov 12 10:55:25 <phils> Reading state information... Done
Nov 12 10:55:25 <phils> E: Couldn't find package sun-java5-jdk
Nov 12 10:56:45 <unicron> hmm maybe try sudo apt-get update first?
Nov 12 10:57:00 <ilsanto_> hi all
Nov 12 10:57:16 <ilsanto_> I have a problem with my magic...
Nov 12 10:57:44 <ilsanto_> I have download sapimg.nbh
Nov 12 10:57:45 <phils> unicron: i'll try switching back to the main ubuntu mirror
Nov 12 10:57:53 <phils> unicron: thanks for your help
Nov 12 10:58:04 <unicron> np
Nov 12 10:58:25 <ilsanto_> I have put the file in sdcard
Nov 12 10:58:27 <unicron> there might be other packages you need, there's a list at source.android.com/download
Nov 12 10:58:31 <phils> ilsanto: what are you trying to do?
Nov 12 10:58:38 <phils> unicron: yeah that's what i'm following and got stuck here :)
Nov 12 10:58:43 <ilsanto_> phils, reflash all mobile
Nov 12 10:59:25 <unicron> i've heard rumors of 9.10 being flaky, i'm using 8.04 myself
Nov 12 10:59:38 <phils> hrm.. that might be a plan
Nov 12 10:59:46 <phils> 9 is a bit new
Nov 12 10:59:49 <ilsanto_> now I have the file sappimg.nbh in /sdcard I start in fastbootmode but after the check go direct to HBoot
Nov 12 10:59:50 <spikebike> 9.10 works well for me
Nov 12 10:59:56 <ilsanto_> and I can't flash...
Nov 12 11:00:03 <phils> spike: how did you install the java5 jdk?  mine says not found
Nov 12 11:00:27 <spikebike> prolly have to find a 9.04 java5 package
Nov 12 11:00:59 <phils> is that easy? i'm not an ubuntu expert
Nov 12 11:01:01 <unicron> should be the same
Nov 12 11:01:03 <unicron> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+package/sun-java5-jdk
Nov 12 11:01:07 <spikebike> I wonder if android 2.0 needs java 5 or java6
Nov 12 11:01:51 <phils> unicron: hm so that suggests the package is avail in 9.10
Nov 12 11:21:54 <Gyscos> Hello there !
Nov 12 11:22:02 <Gyscos> I've got a problem, it seems pretty common
Nov 12 11:22:13 <Gyscos> Is it possible to unlock the screen without the menu button ?
Nov 12 11:22:27 <Gyscos> I'm using an emulator and the skin doesn't have a menu button...
Nov 12 11:22:43 <Gyscos> So I'm stuck at the unlock screen :(
Nov 12 11:23:04 <Gyscos> I'm using eclipse with it, by the way
Nov 12 11:23:39 <Gyscos> If somebody has a solution, it'd be really great. :)
Nov 12 11:24:02 <DigitalFiz> might want to ask in #android-dev  Gyscos
Nov 12 11:24:18 <Gyscos> :D
Nov 12 11:24:19 <Gyscos> thanks
Nov 12 11:26:31 <Gyscos> Hmmm, is it a bad time in USA ?
Nov 12 11:26:45 <Gyscos> Damn, everyone's sleeping xD
Nov 12 11:29:00 <Jubei> Gyscos: did you try the buttons on the keyboard?
Nov 12 11:29:07 <Jubei> Gyscos: on the computer keyboard?
Nov 12 11:29:26 <Gyscos> Wich one would be the menu ?
Nov 12 11:29:28 <Jubei> Gyscos: I'd try a few random buttons on my computer keyboard
Nov 12 11:29:30 <Jubei> Gyscos: no idea.
Nov 12 11:29:33 <Gyscos> Okay
Nov 12 11:29:38 <Gyscos> Jubei : Thanks
Nov 12 11:29:43 <Gyscos> Jubei : i'll try that
Nov 12 11:29:51 <Jubei> Gyscos: hope it works. ;)
Nov 12 11:32:24 <Gyscos> Jubei, it worked !
Nov 12 11:32:30 <Gyscos> :D
Nov 12 11:33:19 <Jubei> Gyscos: i'm glad. ;)
Nov 12 11:36:49 <_jz> hey there!
Nov 12 11:37:40 <Gyscos> hey you
Nov 12 11:39:57 <_jz> It's funny: this project is only available for pay http://g-arcade.appspot.com/ , when it's using Mame, which is distributed in a kinda-Free Software licence...
Nov 12 11:40:09 <_jz> The lience FAQ on Mame website explicitly says "MAME is not licensed for commercial use"
Nov 12 11:40:30 <finfin82> good day
Nov 12 11:40:54 <finfin82> im using windows xp and have downloaded the usb-debuggin-driver from sdk....
Nov 12 11:41:21 <finfin82> windows keeps recognise my android as usb-drive
Nov 12 11:42:04 <finfin82> I uninstalled the recognised device and repugged it.... there is no dialog "search for driver" or something like that
Nov 12 11:42:31 <piroko> lol. I get two notifications when I get a text through google voice now. One through the gvoice app and one from sms forwarding
Nov 12 11:43:03 <finfin82> does anybody have an idea how to force windows to use the sdk-usb-driver?
Nov 12 11:50:07 <RobinB> finfin82: Try uninstalling the android device from the device manager when it's plugged in. might not be enough though
Nov 12 11:52:53 <finfin82> RobinB: that's exactly what I did
Nov 12 11:53:32 <RobinB> i had the same problem, let me see if i can find a description what you have to do
Nov 12 11:58:39 <Robin_B> finfin82: I assume you didn't activate "usb debugging" before you plugged your phone in first?
Nov 12 11:59:54 <finfin82> is activated
Nov 12 11:59:55 <finfin82> ;-)
Nov 12 12:00:56 <Robin_B> now? :)
Nov 12 12:01:19 <Robin_B> there's a couple of solutions out there it seems. this one worked for me: http://blog.zedray.com/2009/06/16/when-adb-won%E2%80%99t-detect-your-android-phone%E2%80%A6/
Nov 12 12:01:37 <Robin_B> it does involve installing and running some third party usb driver clean-up tool though.
Nov 12 12:02:29 <Robin_B> another post in this thread http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1039 says to just install htc sync, and you should be able to install the adb.
Nov 12 12:07:32 <jpic> hi, is it possible to downgrade the browser?
Nov 12 12:09:37 <EugeneK> The built-in browser? Not easily.
Nov 12 12:09:50 <EugeneK> You can try a 3rd-party browser app, but generally older versions of them are not available
Nov 12 12:11:45 <finfin82> okay Robin_B thanks ;-)
Nov 12 12:11:54 <finfin82> I got it to work
Nov 12 12:11:56 <Robin_B> cool
Nov 12 12:11:57 <finfin82> (we)
Nov 12 12:11:59 <finfin82> :-D
Nov 12 12:12:00 <Robin_B> what method did you use?
Nov 12 12:12:11 <finfin82> I don't know what was the right now
Nov 12 12:12:16 <Robin_B> hehe, ok
Nov 12 12:12:32 <Robin_B> have fun developing! :)
Nov 12 12:12:38 <finfin82> I used a program called "usbdeview" to uninstall the massstrg driver
Nov 12 12:12:56 <finfin82> and installed the htc sync driver as well
Nov 12 12:12:57 <finfin82> ;-)
Nov 12 12:17:00 <jpic> great, i cant login in my bank since the update, and the  new autocomplete is plain stupid
Nov 12 12:19:16 <jpic> type 8 digits in the top right login box of particuliers.societegenerale.fr . in the old browser: some onscreen keypad appears at a random position in the page, nothing happens on the new version
Nov 12 12:19:23 <skraatz> Hi all, I got a problem with android browser crashing when opening my GWT app, is there a way to debug? or a log telling me the reason of crash?
Nov 12 12:19:45 <jpic> so i assume that the new version breaks bc
Nov 12 12:22:39 <jpic> thats really unexpected grom a company like google, although not suprising from the java world
Nov 12 12:43:22 <fqh> Hi, guys
Nov 12 13:08:50 <krphop> Are there any subversion/cvs/git 'clients' for the android? I would like to be able to check things out like, say, a keepass database
Nov 12 13:55:13 <skraatz> Hi all, I got a problem with android browser crashing when opening my GWT app, is there a way to debug? or a log telling me the reason of crash?
Nov 12 13:58:25 <KNY> skraatz: adb logcat ?
Nov 12 14:13:08 <ligi> anyone here has experiences with the Bluetooth-API in android 2.0?
Nov 12 14:14:46 <cephalopoid> hello
Nov 12 14:15:16 <cephalopoid> anyone have a link for a good img for loading Hero on a G1?
Nov 12 14:16:12 <k0rnz> you can load HTC Hero OS on G1?
Nov 12 14:16:58 <cephalopoid> yup :)
Nov 12 14:17:20 <k0rnz> im in the processing of deciding which android phone to purchase right now
Nov 12 14:17:31 <cephalopoid> looks nice, and there's a speedboost due to the swap partition used
Nov 12 14:17:35 <bnovc> which carrier are you on
Nov 12 14:17:41 <k0rnz> tmobile
Nov 12 14:17:48 <cephalopoid> me too
Nov 12 14:17:51 <k0rnz> should i get the G1?
Nov 12 14:17:56 <bnovc> no
Nov 12 14:18:03 <k0rnz> which one do you recommend?
Nov 12 14:18:04 <bnovc> wait until a phone like the droid is available
Nov 12 14:18:12 <bnovc> you'd be wasting money otherwise
Nov 12 14:18:30 <k0rnz> the motorolla droid is already available but with verizon
Nov 12 14:18:34 <YoYo-Pete> k0rnz...  I have the motorola cliq and I like it...
Nov 12 14:18:44 <k0rnz> it runs android?
Nov 12 14:18:47 <YoYo-Pete> Yees.
Nov 12 14:18:49 <cephalopoid> or buy an archos... they're mp3 players running linux or android
Nov 12 14:18:58 <YoYo-Pete> Android with Motoblur.
Nov 12 14:18:59 <k0rnz> wow i gotta check videos of that on youtube
Nov 12 14:19:27 <k0rnz> i need an android phone
Nov 12 14:19:54 <cephalopoid> I'd go for a cheap phone and an android mp3-player if I were you, k0rnz
Nov 12 14:20:13 <cephalopoid> android with 80+ GB ;)
Nov 12 14:20:13 <k0rnz> i dont want to carry 2 devices
Nov 12 14:20:50 <bnovc> k0rnz: which is why i asked your carrier
Nov 12 14:21:11 <cephalopoid> anyone have a link for a good img for loading Hero on a G1?
Nov 12 14:21:15 <k0rnz> maybe i'll just get an droid then
Nov 12 14:21:35 <YoYo-Pete> droid is only verizon
Nov 12 14:22:14 <k0rnz> wait i think i might get a cliq
Nov 12 14:22:23 <k0rnz> damn this is too confusing
Nov 12 14:22:41 <k0rnz> i was about to click "buy" button on the G1 a few minutes ago
Nov 12 14:22:47 <YoYo-Pete> I like it a lot... does everything... I dont know if it's been rooted yet though... so take that into account.
Nov 12 14:22:55 <YoYo-Pete> If you want to fiddle with firmwares and what not.
Nov 12 14:23:15 <k0rnz> i'll just get a G1
Nov 12 14:23:16 <YoYo-Pete> But for an android phone, It's really nice...   Has same processor as g1 though... but more internal mem.
Nov 12 14:23:36 <YoYo-Pete> G1 doesnt have enough internal memory for android 2.0
Nov 12 14:23:40 <YoYo-Pete> Just FYI
Nov 12 14:23:57 <k0rnz> which phone can i get that is rooted that can run 2.0?
Nov 12 14:24:12 <YoYo-Pete> That I dont know.
Nov 12 14:24:17 <k0rnz> ok
Nov 12 14:24:25 <cephalopoid> you can always do the awesome "swap partition" trick
Nov 12 14:24:42 <SparQz> they have 2.0 sdk
Nov 12 14:24:44 <cephalopoid> which linux already had 10+ years ago
Nov 12 14:24:47 <YoYo-Pete> This is where it gets beyond my usage, so I will step out and allow the experts to answer.
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Nov 12 14:27:36 <bnovc> k0rnz: you'll regret getting a g1
Nov 12 14:27:37 <droidster> hi all
Nov 12 14:28:10 <bnovc> cephalopoid: android doesn't have by default for good reason, not because their developers were incapable of adding it
Nov 12 14:28:13 <k0rnz> bnovc which phone should i get then?
Nov 12 14:28:16 <tauno> YoYo-Pete, "G1 doesnt have enough internal memory for android 2.0" <- where's that staement from?
Nov 12 14:28:19 <droidster> any1 feeling like a saint today and helping out someone whos stuck
Nov 12 14:28:24 <k0rnz> im about ready to click the "Buy" button on the G1
Nov 12 14:28:41 <k0rnz> which phone is a better than G1 that is already rooted?
Nov 12 14:29:09 <k0rnz> what is the minimum requirements for an android phone to be able to run 2.0?
Nov 12 14:29:21 <cephalopoid> k0rnz: don't be an impulsive buyer, you'll only waste money
Nov 12 14:29:52 <YoYo-Pete> tauno...  from my work mate who has the g1... told me that internal mem is like a few MB short of allowing 2.0 to run on it.
Nov 12 14:30:07 <k0rnz> cephalopoid that is why im trying to ask questions and googling
Nov 12 14:30:10 <YoYo-Pete> just speaking vanilla android... no specially mods or anything.
Nov 12 14:30:21 <YoYo-Pete> Is he wrong?
Nov 12 14:30:44 <cephalopoid> k0rnz: then stop repeating you're about to click this or that
Nov 12 14:30:53 <k0rnz> ok
Nov 12 14:31:15 <tauno> YoYo-Pete, I have no idea, just asked if there's some official information about the fact that 2.0 is too fat for "old" phones
Nov 12 14:31:28 <YoYo-Pete> k0rnz...  Yeah... give it a couple days to research and digest least you get stuck with a device... I mean you can always throw money at it down the road, but nobody lieks to do that.
Nov 12 14:31:30 <SparQz> have some paTients im a lil mad that i cant root this damn thing
Nov 12 14:31:55 <YoYo-Pete> tauno...  http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/17/t-mobile-g1-wont-see-any-android-updates-beyond-1-5/
Nov 12 14:32:15 <YoYo-Pete> Maybe someday they will get a modified 2.0 build to work for that.. but out of the gate nope.
Nov 12 14:32:55 <tauno> YoYo-Pete, that article was made before 1.6 shipped and was about 1.6 :P
Nov 12 14:33:22 <YoYo-Pete> My bad..
Nov 12 14:33:38 <YoYo-Pete> I missed that...
Nov 12 14:34:28 <YoYo-Pete> I got nothing but hearsay.
Nov 12 14:35:08 <YoYo-Pete> asking my mat
Nov 12 14:35:12 <YoYo-Pete> mate
Nov 12 14:35:55 <YoYo-Pete> tauno...  Related: http://www.tmonews.com/2009/10/g1-owners-to-get-android-2-0-love/
Nov 12 14:37:06 <YoYo-Pete> Oh.. maybe the problem is that it doesnt have the storage to allow an overe the air update to 2.0, but you can wipe the device and load the build, but that's beyond normal consumers...
Nov 12 14:37:31 <_Auron_> unless it downloads to microSD card
Nov 12 14:37:31 <YoYo-Pete> mate says internal he has 70MB and 2.0 is just over that.
Nov 12 14:37:52 <YoYo-Pete> _Auron_  OTAs dont though.
Nov 12 14:38:09 <YoYo-Pete> Maybe they could be like "Just bring it into the store and we can update it)
Nov 12 14:38:58 * _Auron_ shrugs
Nov 12 14:58:38 <droidster> why does my g1 have test keys instead of release keys
Nov 12 14:59:01 <Leeds> because it's running a hacked/rooted OS build
Nov 12 15:00:14 <droidster> ok
Nov 12 15:00:26 <droidster> but when i try telned it doesnt do anything
Nov 12 15:00:54 <droidster> any info on how i can revert it back to the old fw?
Nov 12 15:01:14 <droidster> i used dreaimg.nbh and pressing the power button desnt do anything
Nov 12 15:02:15 <droidster> i can do adb shell but not fastboot
Nov 12 15:02:31 <droidster> driving me insane already
Nov 12 15:02:57 <bnovc> droidster: #android-root
Nov 12 15:03:50 <droidster> join #android-root
Nov 12 15:03:52 <perlmonkey2> Anyone else read the Android Dev blog today?  Very interesting read.
Nov 12 15:03:58 * bnovc hands droidster a /
Nov 12 15:04:44 <droidster> thanks bnovc
Nov 12 15:07:53 <krphop> Are there any subversion/cvs/git 'clients' for the android? I would like to be able to check things out like, say, a keepass database
Nov 12 15:10:02 <DammitJim> can you guys point me to how I can create music playlists?
Nov 12 15:10:54 <bnovc> krphop: you could compile them for arm and put them on your unit
Nov 12 15:11:12 <bnovc> krphop: checkout the source to git and make an Android.mk for it and then resolve all the dep issues
Nov 12 15:11:38 <krphop> heh, that may be a bit above my head initially
Nov 12 15:11:50 <krphop> just picked up a moto droid, and havent played with dev stuff yet
Nov 12 15:13:36 <DammitJim> krphop, enjoy your droid!
Nov 12 15:14:18 <krphop> i love it so far, and will even more if a few application enhancements come out
Nov 12 15:14:23 <DammitJim> does the G1 use m3u playlists?
Nov 12 15:15:19 <krphop> is there a way to 'close' applications on android2.0? or if their not listed in the 'running services' are they not actually running/consuming mem/cpu time?
Nov 12 15:15:23 <SparQz> is there a better messager that works on droid
Nov 12 15:15:41 <SparQz> get andvanced task manager
Nov 12 15:16:10 <krphop> SparQz: ok, i'll check that out
Nov 12 15:16:31 <alankila> the theory with android is that the kernel knows when to ask the applications to checkpoint and die, and well-behaving applications should relinquish their control of resources when not in foreground.
Nov 12 15:16:57 <krphop> heh, ok
Nov 12 15:17:06 <krphop> but some poorly written aps may not do that i'd assume?
Nov 12 15:17:07 <alankila> indiscriminately killing tasks from a task manager will reduce the phone's functionality such as disabling alarms or events or something like that.
Nov 12 15:17:09 <SparQz> darairc keeps my screen on thats my only problem
Nov 12 15:17:29 <krphop> just seems like my moto droid is a little laggier today
Nov 12 15:17:40 <SparQz> you can make an ignore list alan
Nov 12 15:17:59 <alankila> sure sure. Just a warning.
Nov 12 15:18:14 <Zagrophyte> SparQz: Whats the difference between the 99 cent version and the free version?
Nov 12 15:18:45 <alankila> I am not sure if I've seen that many poorly behaving apps. I mostly don't install any of the junk from market anyway, there's so many useless apps. The ones I have installed generally behave.
Nov 12 15:19:09 <SparQz> i use the one in the verizon tab
Nov 12 15:19:49 <SparQz> i want a good power manager that works on 2.0
Nov 12 15:25:04 <SparQz> wtf for some reason i got booted off freenode
Nov 12 15:25:48 <blackshell> can i develop android app using python?
Nov 12 15:26:40 <alankila> there's no python, perl, or much any interpreter on the droid. You should probably write it in java.
Nov 12 15:27:47 <alankila> that being said, I think these interpreters have likely already been ported to the droid, but I doubt they can access any of the useful libraries because a working app is more than just ability to execute a particular script. But I've not checked what the status for other scripts is.
Nov 12 15:27:51 <AbortRet1yFail> blackshell: there's ASE
Nov 12 15:28:03 <AbortRet1yFail> http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/
Nov 12 15:28:34 <alankila> hmm, an alpha quality project. Ok.
Nov 12 15:29:06 <SparQz> u guys use irc on your phone
Nov 12 15:29:11 <AbortRetryFail> ok well, it's there. :)
Nov 12 15:29:18 <AbortRetryFail> i've been playing around with it, seems fun so far.
Nov 12 15:36:31 <unwesen> SparQz: sometimes, yes
Nov 12 15:43:42 <SparQz> what app you use?
Nov 12 15:44:04 <SparQz> this one kepts dcing on mt
Nov 12 16:04:25 <anno^da> When will we see a hardware that runs Android lag free? (the Droid definetly does not)
Nov 12 16:04:56 <bnovc> when will computers have infinite processing power and space
Nov 12 16:05:11 <anno^da> ;)
Nov 12 16:05:21 <bnovc> and unlimited battery life
Nov 12 16:05:32 <EugeneK> And no pants
Nov 12 16:05:36 <anno^da> Well it is frustrating to see this lagginess :-)
Nov 12 16:05:45 <bnovc> your question is absurd. you can't have a fairly open system with no lag. You could install an app that uses 100% cpu all the time, and that isn't Android's fault
Nov 12 16:05:54 <bnovc> if you're using the stock Android image, you shouldn't be seeing much/any lag though
Nov 12 16:05:59 <bnovc> my phone on 1.6 rarely lags
Nov 12 16:06:22 <_Auron_> my phone almost always has to restart the home activity when I go to the home screen
Nov 12 16:06:25 <anno^da> bnovc: This is true but the lags are there even on a fresh Android 2.0 on the Motorola Droid.
Nov 12 16:06:33 <_Auron_> and meebo IM almost always disconnects when I go away from it, even if going to the home screen
Nov 12 16:06:37 <_Auron_> this is on my G1 though
Nov 12 16:07:09 <_Auron_> android IRC always works fine, although notifications make my phone sit still for like 5 seconds without doing anything
Nov 12 16:07:16 <anno^da> bnovc: I would not care if the tasks would be heavy but hey switching between the screens should be lag free.
Nov 12 16:07:49 <_Auron_> anno^da: need more ram then
Nov 12 16:08:09 <bnovc> doubt its a RAM problem
Nov 12 16:08:20 <bnovc> anno^da: under which situation are you seeing lag? specific applications? system-wide?
Nov 12 16:08:22 <anno^da> Well I don't know if this is a problem of the RAM.
Nov 12 16:08:27 <bnovc> are you using the home key to exit apps or are you using the back key
Nov 12 16:08:45 <_Auron_> or are you doing search+hotkey to go to an app :D
Nov 12 16:08:48 <anno^da> bnovc: When switching between the screens. When sliding up the applications slider.
Nov 12 16:09:15 <_Auron_> anno^da: do you have a bunch of widgets on the home screen?
Nov 12 16:09:22 <anno^da> not really.
Nov 12 16:09:34 <anno^da> It is a fresh installation only the basic ones that had been on the phone.
Nov 12 16:18:25 <bnovc> anno^da: is it really laggy or do you think the animation just isn't as smooth as you want?
Nov 12 16:18:56 <bnovc> if the default build has UI hangs, then you should probably let romain or someone that works on that type of thing know
Nov 12 16:19:07 <bnovc> (unless it was Motorola's fault)
Nov 12 16:20:20 <KNY> yeah, I've heard that Launcher is really laggy on Droid
Nov 12 16:23:39 * jbq unlocks his Droid, fires launcher. It's responsive here. Not the best possible frame rate, but not unresponsive.
Nov 12 16:23:56 <perfinion> woot woot
Nov 12 16:24:06 <KNY> jbq: one point makes a lousy graph ;)
Nov 12 16:24:15 * perfinion is flying to mountain view this afternoon for interviews at google :D
Nov 12 16:24:22 <KNY> perfinion: nice, good luck
Nov 12 16:24:40 <jbq> Admittedly, though, not quite as smooth as a G1 under 1.6.
Nov 12 16:25:16 <KNY> what would cause the slowdown? having a huge number of pixels to push?
Nov 12 16:25:30 <_Auron_> it has a faster proc though, KNY
Nov 12 16:25:38 <KNY> _Auron_: yeah, I know
Nov 12 16:25:53 <_Auron_> and way better GPU ><
Nov 12 16:25:55 * _Auron_ wants one
Nov 12 16:25:57 <jbq> Probably architectural changes, I'd guess. The screen is barely 3x larger, and Droid is generally more than 3x faster than G1.
Nov 12 16:26:07 <bnovc> goog is hiring quite a few people lately
Nov 12 16:26:20 <jbq> 2.0 supports some much more complex graphics compositing tricks, which might be slowing it down.
Nov 12 16:26:33 <KNY> ah
Nov 12 16:26:37 <perfinion> bnovc: hopefully they hire me too :D
Nov 12 16:26:54 * optedoblivion <3
Nov 12 16:26:59 * optedoblivion <3's his DROID
Nov 12 16:27:05 <Death_Syn> can you turn those tricks off/
Nov 12 16:27:07 <_Auron_> or me
Nov 12 16:27:13 <unwesen> perfinion: good luck, definitely
Nov 12 16:27:23 <Death_Syn> one of the things I love about cm is being able to disable all the visual crap that just slows things down
Nov 12 16:27:26 <perfinion> :D
Nov 12 16:27:42 <perfinion> anyone have tips for google interviews?
Nov 12 16:27:50 <optedoblivion> Have a degree :(
Nov 12 16:28:00 <einstein> from stanford.
Nov 12 16:28:00 <KNY> optedoblivion: I beg to differ
Nov 12 16:28:10 <optedoblivion> KNY: REally?
Nov 12 16:28:13 <_Auron_> optedoblivion: yeah, really.
Nov 12 16:28:13 <KNY> "know your shit" would probably be the best advice
Nov 12 16:28:18 <optedoblivion> KNY: You mean there is hope :-D
Nov 12 16:28:20 <perfinion> provided i dont fail next semester, i will graduate and get one no prob ...
Nov 12 16:28:28 <_Auron_> having a degree doesn't mean anything either if you don't know your shit and just did the classes
Nov 12 16:28:28 <KNY> optedoblivion: ask SanMehat what his degree is in
Nov 12 16:29:00 <perfinion> KNY: a degree or a shitton of experience
Nov 12 16:29:24 <optedoblivion> I've applied, a few times, even know a guy who knows a guy, but he said no to an interview b/c I don't have a degree.
Nov 12 16:29:34 * optedoblivion shrugs
Nov 12 16:29:36 <perfinion> ouch
Nov 12 16:29:43 <optedoblivion> I guess I'll just try to rack up more experience and try again.
Nov 12 16:30:00 <perfinion> yeah, i gave my resume to a few friends taht work there and got called up :D
Nov 12 16:30:17 * optedoblivion is jealous
Nov 12 16:30:20 <optedoblivion> :-p
Nov 12 16:30:28 * _Auron_ wonders how he'll do in ADC2.....
Nov 12 16:31:11 <perfinion> heh, i could never think of a good enough idea for an app to participate in the ADCs
Nov 12 16:31:36 <_Auron_> I made a game that's kinda like geometry wars, entirely in OpenGL
Nov 12 16:31:42 <_Auron_> didn't use any android API for menus or anything
Nov 12 16:32:05 <_Auron_> I made it to the final round in the action/arcade game category
Nov 12 16:32:17 <Leeds> yeah, but I suck at it
Nov 12 16:32:20 <_Auron_> judging is finalized next friday
Nov 12 16:32:32 <_Auron_> Leeds: ?
Nov 12 16:32:42 <Leeds> I suck at your game :)
Nov 12 16:32:46 <_Auron_> oh :)
Nov 12 16:32:47 <Leeds> and I blame you for it
Nov 12 16:32:50 <KNY> Stroids rules
Nov 12 16:32:53 <_Auron_> why?
Nov 12 16:33:11 <Leeds> never been any good at asteroids
Nov 12 16:33:17 <_Auron_> I see
Nov 12 16:33:49 <KNY> sounds like a user error to me
Nov 12 16:34:11 <Leeds> alright, may not entirely be your fault :P  got no complaints about the programming, seems to work fast enough, etc.
Nov 12 16:34:18 <KNY> heh
Nov 12 16:34:35 <_Auron_> and gameplay got significantly improved since 1.1
Nov 12 16:35:01 <Leeds> I should load up the ADC2 app again...
Nov 12 16:35:16 <nexes_dev> does anyone know why when i long press my menu button on my htc hero a keyboard pops up with nothing to actually type in.
Nov 12 16:36:46 <Leeds> nexes_dev: long-press-menu is a standard global thing to bring up the keyboard... in some situations, for example, it'll filter a list you have open (e.g. music, contacts)
Nov 12 16:37:15 <nexes_dev> oh ok, thanks i just got the phone, dumped iphone for it.
Nov 12 16:37:47 <gazab> Ive had mine for 2 months and had no idea about that :p
Nov 12 16:38:21 <optedoblivion> I noticed it on my HTC Touch when it lagged thinking I was pressing menu :(
Nov 12 16:39:30 <optedoblivion> nexes_dev : How do you like the hero?
Nov 12 16:39:31 <_Auron_> long press menu does nothing for me
Nov 12 16:39:44 <optedoblivion> hmm.
Nov 12 16:39:46 <_Auron_> unless I hit menu on homescreen, then long press.. it'll change text to show shortcuts for the buttons
Nov 12 16:40:20 <nexes_dev> love it, i had the iphone for two years and did some developing on it. For my money android is where its at and htc hero is sexy!!!
Nov 12 16:41:49 <AbortRetryFail> ^
Nov 12 16:42:33 <optedoblivion> I agree about getting more for your money with an android device.
Nov 12 16:42:51 <nexes_dev> development for it is much better than iphone as well.
Nov 12 16:43:02 <optedoblivion> the droid is my first real android phone
Nov 12 16:43:19 <optedoblivion> the other one I had was and htc touch (vogue) running the vogue port.
Nov 12 16:43:41 <optedoblivion> I've never developed for the iPhone, but I have friends who have, and the process seems a bit more aggrevating.
Nov 12 16:44:04 <optedoblivion> After I got the android SDK set up with eclipse, it's been a breeze.
Nov 12 16:44:12 <nexes_dev> true, plus objective-c is a headache more often than not, and apple really tries to control what you can and cant do
Nov 12 16:44:32 <SuD> is iphone fast at opening and closing apps ?
Nov 12 16:44:54 <SuD> or receiving a call in the middle of a game?
Nov 12 16:45:08 <nexes_dev> SuD: its not bad, mostly because you can only have one open at a time.
Nov 12 16:45:14 <optedoblivion> I am not sure, never owned one.
Nov 12 16:45:23 <nexes_dev> depends on the app
Nov 12 16:45:35 <optedoblivion> I do tend to play space deadbeef on my co-worker's though
Nov 12 16:47:27 <tech9iner> g'day gday lads..
Nov 12 16:47:38 <Leeds> mornin'
Nov 12 16:48:13 <tech9iner> so.. ive googled and queried bout this issue here since cupcake's release..
Nov 12 16:48:18 <tech9iner> Leeds: aye i eye ;]]
Nov 12 16:48:54 <loginfliggle> your smiley has a double chin...just sayin
Nov 12 16:49:10 <tech9iner> when one is using dialpad making calls.. in theory.. the osk.. or dialpad as it were.. autolocking feature is grand idea scale..
Nov 12 16:49:39 <tech9iner> lmao.. loginfliggle check me pix and you'll see just how fckg honest this old sod is lad ;]]
Nov 12 16:50:12 <SuD> sorry i don't understand you
Nov 12 16:50:15 <AbortRetryFail> autolocking?
Nov 12 16:50:25 <AbortRetryFail> you mean when you put the phone against your face how it doesn't press buttons
Nov 12 16:50:37 <tech9iner> but.. that said.. re my g1 here.. the sucky part is it takes round 3sex to initiate.. way too slow to dial then place g1 to ear without cheek dialing more digits.. grrr
Nov 12 16:50:58 <SuD> and how much does your sex take?
Nov 12 16:51:06 <tech9iner> AbortRetryFail: well.. lol.. spot on sans fact it does exactly that till it initiates..
Nov 12 16:51:29 <tech9iner> there needs to be a setting / config where one can adjust the speed of the dialpad lock
Nov 12 16:51:41 <AbortRetryFail> I've got no idea what you're talking about.
Nov 12 16:51:43 <SuD> you're chatting from an embedded keyboard, aren't you?
Nov 12 16:51:45 <tech9iner> need it to lock in 1sec.. not 3
Nov 12 16:52:24 <tech9iner> wtf?.. you just confirmed you knew exactly wtf im on about AbortRetryFail lol.. ? [08:50] <AbortRetryFail> you mean when you put the phone against your face how it doesn't press buttons
Nov 12 16:52:49 <AbortRetryFail> my droid locks immediately, and i don't recall having that problem on my friend's G1 either.
Nov 12 16:52:59 <AbortRetryFail> Maybe you've got a bunch of apps running that's slowing things down?
Nov 12 16:53:20 <Leeds> tech9iner: it's changed in different Android releases - and at least HTC, I think, have replaced the standard dialler
Nov 12 16:53:40 <SuD> i usualy dial saved contacts rather than numbers. but once you click "dial" button it'd be nice if it locked immediately
Nov 12 16:54:27 <tech9iner> SuD: ditto mate..
Nov 12 16:54:38 <tech9iner> Leeds: so no hacks to speed it up a bit eh?
Nov 12 16:55:15 <tech9iner> long similar lines.. id looove to find a granny easy hack to increase audio volume too on g1's
Nov 12 16:55:35 <AbortRetryFail> my granny wouldn't have an easy time hacking anything...
Nov 12 16:55:39 <SuD> get source code and change it. or tell devs/modders to changet it. or write a patch that adds a setting to configure it...
Nov 12 16:56:04 <tech9iner> related to using g1's standard earbuds.. on loud public transit trips i cant hear me streaming music worth a damn..
Nov 12 16:56:43 <tech9iner> AbortRetryFail: not a smoker your granny eh? ;].. not even a smokers hack?
Nov 12 16:56:58 <AbortRetryFail> hahaha
Nov 12 17:06:51 <anno^da> bnovc: Well it is hard to define sometimes the switch really lags and sometimes it feels "just" not really smooth. (smooth for my kind of taste is the latest iPod touch - and yes I do really love the Android platform and I am working on it since the beginning)
Nov 12 17:07:13 <mikedg-blau> hey anno
Nov 12 17:07:14 <mikedg-blau> hows life
Nov 12 17:07:18 <anno^da> It is just sad to see that these simple things don't feel smooth on such a powerful device.
Nov 12 17:07:28 <anno^da> mikedg-blau: great. And on your site?
Nov 12 17:07:46 <mikedg-blau> what are you talking abou? droid not being smooth?
Nov 12 17:08:02 <mikedg-blau> i got to play with a hero the other day, and my god, the home screen and notification bar is 10x smoother than the droid
Nov 12 17:08:13 <mikedg-blau> although everything else on the droid imo screams smooth
Nov 12 17:08:49 <anno^da> yeah that is my experience as well
Nov 12 17:09:04 <anno^da> it is all about the home screen
Nov 12 17:09:24 <mikedg-blau> i think im gonna try to recompile a new home screen
Nov 12 17:10:56 <bnovc> anno^da: ya, its not as smooth as the iPhone yet. I don't think they use the gpu for those animations
Nov 12 17:11:08 <anno^da> bnovc: It seems so.
Nov 12 17:11:28 <anno^da> I'm just asking myself when do they start using it.
Nov 12 17:11:52 <anno^da> For non technical guys these things are the first things they note when testing the device.
Nov 12 17:12:34 <tech9iner> read some interesting negs bout iphone's market sluggishness and probs in India and china was it?
Nov 12 17:12:53 <tech9iner> seems it didnt take off in India as did otherwise
Nov 12 17:13:53 <anno^da> tech9iner: Well this is true and I hate the comparison but in terms of smootheness the differences are so outstanding.
Nov 12 17:15:30 <Disconnect> anyone know how big the environment can be in android? is there a limit to what can be shoved into build.prop?
Nov 12 17:18:48 * Disconnect can check in toolkit once the source finishes downloading, but that coudl be forever
Nov 12 17:39:15 <Disconnect> nm looks like its a linked list of whatever size, with up to 517 entries. perfect.
Nov 12 17:41:39 <KNY> 517 is a pretty random number
Nov 12 17:41:55 <Disconnect> yep
Nov 12 17:42:14 <Disconnect> http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/system/core.git;a=blob;f=sh/var.c;h=a1f1689c31ee0d5f6390f782b6b75e1ca58907e0;hb=HEAD#l70
Nov 12 17:42:33 <Disconnect> probably it has 5 builtins or something. the docs are lacking.
Nov 12 17:46:25 <monban> Okay so I have been out of the scene for a month or so, what's the current hotness as far as Hero roms for the G1, is it SenseHERO from ccyrowski?
Nov 12 17:47:04 <Disconnect> try #android-root
Nov 12 17:48:03 <monban> there is a separate channel for that now? I have been gone a long time. what prompted the split
Nov 12 17:48:06 <monban> ?
Nov 12 17:49:48 <monban> Okay so I have been out of the scene for a month or so, what's the current hotness as far as Hero roms for the G1, is it SenseHERO from ccyrowski?
Nov 12 17:49:53 <monban> oops, sorry
Nov 12 17:51:28 <AbortRetryFail> bluetooth headsets, when you long-press (4-sec or so) the headset button, dumbphones and other stuff usually open voice dialer.
Nov 12 17:51:43 <AbortRetryFail> anyone know if there's a way to catch that and run a program or something?
Nov 12 17:52:18 <chain__> hello
Nov 12 17:54:24 <chain__> I've heard that android 2.0 supports exchange for calendars - does that mean that after upgrading to 2.0 I'll be able to use remote ics(iCalendar) calendars through webdav?
Nov 12 18:00:08 <benc1> can an app define a 'fast dial' button?
Nov 12 18:00:23 <benc1> a button that that will directly interact with the app?
Nov 12 18:00:31 <tech9iner> last chance to be a hero lads.. any g1 output volume hacks known for cupcake?
Nov 12 18:00:44 * tech9iner begs n whines n begs some mower ;]]
Nov 12 18:03:26 <benc1> can an application listen to the cammera button or another button all the time?
Nov 12 18:03:40 <The-Compiler> I think so
Nov 12 18:03:40 <mikedg-blau> camera button yesish
Nov 12 18:03:49 <The-Compiler> you might want to ask in #android-dev
Nov 12 18:03:58 <benc1> I will. thanks
Nov 12 18:04:50 <EugeneKay> bnovc , You can specify a home+letter combo in Settings-->Applications-->Quick Launch. It's not exactly what you're after, but it might work well enough
Nov 12 18:05:09 <EugeneKay> Though I dun think that feature works on keyboardless phones, but who cares about people too silly not to buy a keyboard?
Nov 12 18:07:09 <chain__> so anyone knows an answer to my question?
Nov 12 18:08:27 <manitou> is it possible to root 1.6 (htc tattoo)
Nov 12 18:08:49 <Disconnect> chain__: 2.0 is still closed source. nobody here has access to it (or if they do, they can't comment)
Nov 12 18:08:59 <The-Compiler> manitou: /j #android-root and read thet opic
Nov 12 18:09:03 <The-Compiler> *the topic
Nov 12 18:10:27 <chain__> Disconnect, too bad
Nov 12 18:11:15 <chain__> I've asked the author of Pure Calendar about it, and he told me that 2.0 brings support for exchange, but I don't think that support for exchange equals support for remote iCaledar calendars through webdav :/
Nov 12 18:14:02 <pfn> it doesn't
Nov 12 18:14:13 <pfn> it doesn't bring caldav nor .ics/webdav support
Nov 12 18:20:18 <pfn> oh how much I wish it did, though
Nov 12 18:20:22 <pfn> I'd love to use caldav
Nov 12 18:22:09 <KNY> you can just add ical calendars to Google Calendar and they'll sync
Nov 12 18:22:47 <oopepe> Hello, how can i see market comments in all languages for an android app? Im a developer and id like to see them...
Nov 12 18:23:04 <KNY> oopepe: have you checked androlib.com ?
Nov 12 18:23:09 <KNY> I think that might be the only way
Nov 12 18:23:56 <oopepe> yes, oh boy.. thats not good. Google needs to do something here. Androlib is fine, but its not always up-to-date
Nov 12 18:24:23 <chain__> I'm not using google services, but I think that android is cool as a platform, too bad it doesn't do what I need(yet)
Nov 12 18:24:30 <KNY> oopepe: yeah, cut them some slack though, it's not like Market hasn't been piss-poor for over a year or anything </sarcasm>
Nov 12 18:24:50 <oopepe> :)
Nov 12 18:25:02 <simrem> is it possible to buy the Android Dev phone 1 if I live in Norway? On http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/device.html#dev-phone-1 Norway is not mentioned.
Nov 12 18:25:30 <lov> simrem: maybe. You may as well just get a G1 and root it, it'll end up being the same thing and cheaper.
Nov 12 18:26:17 <simrem> okay...
Nov 12 18:27:36 <simrem> when you say G1, you mean HTC Dream?
Nov 12 18:27:43 <KNY> yes
Nov 12 18:30:35 <bmusson-work> my phone keeps on throwing up a power management error and reboots
Nov 12 18:30:43 <bmusson-work> DROID
Nov 12 18:31:11 <mikedg-blau> pwned
Nov 12 18:32:18 <bmusson-work> so i hacked the unlock program
Nov 12 18:32:29 <bmusson-work> screen unlocker
Nov 12 18:34:57 <KNY> bmusson-work: do tell
Nov 12 18:35:39 <bmusson-work> i just held my friends phone up to the light and looked for the smudge marks
Nov 12 18:35:51 <KNY> ...
Nov 12 18:36:03 <KNY> that's been a known "issue" since the iphone first came out
Nov 12 18:36:05 <bmusson-work> theres a nice trail of grease going the direction of the unlock pattern
Nov 12 18:36:10 <Disconnect> thats not 'hacked'. thats 'did something people were asking about 2 days after the g1 came out'
Nov 12 18:36:24 <bmusson-work> i know im joking
Nov 12 18:36:30 <KNY> Disconnect: iPhone users have been wanting a randomized PIN for a lot longer :)
Nov 12 18:36:41 <bmusson-work> but really, my phone reboots every 2 minutes
Nov 12 18:36:46 <bmusson-work> something about power management
Nov 12 18:36:53 <Qwell> bmusson-work: yeah..  they still haven't fixed the security issue I reported
Nov 12 18:37:05 <Disconnect> yah but iphone users have wanted a lot of things. and realistically its a lot easier to see the direction/order of the android unlock than the iphone numerics
Nov 12 18:37:09 <Qwell> You can have a perfectly clean screen and still access it, if you know how.
Nov 12 18:38:32 <pfn> how is that?
Nov 12 18:38:39 <bmusson-work> this phone is such a pile of crap
Nov 12 18:38:42 <pfn> assuming that the device is used for everyday activity
Nov 12 18:38:48 <Qwell> not going to discuss it :p
Nov 12 18:38:56 * pfn shrugs
Nov 12 18:38:58 <pfn> if you say so
Nov 12 18:39:22 * pfn twiddles thumbs for powersupport to make an anti-glare film for the droid
Nov 12 18:39:25 * pfn wants one badly
Nov 12 18:46:06 <bmusson-work> how do i get the CA certificate installed on wireless
Nov 12 18:46:13 <bmusson-work> i have it on the root of the SD card.
Nov 12 18:46:21 <bmusson-work> but i dont see anywhere to import it
Nov 12 18:47:04 <bmusson-work> when i click on CA certificate, it says "N/A                                  O"
Nov 12 18:48:26 <jeev> i wonder if google will come out and compete with blackberry's push
Nov 12 18:53:21 <Gary13579> It is 'duck duck gray duck', not 'duck duck goose'.
Nov 12 18:53:37 <KNY> lies!
Nov 12 18:53:47 * Gary13579 stabs KNY.
Nov 12 18:54:05 <KNY> my childhood is infallible!
Nov 12 18:54:26 <jeev> ok my texting is messed up again
Nov 12 18:54:26 <Gary13579> http://www.gray-duck.com/gray-duck/duck-article.jpg
Nov 12 18:54:41 <jeev> got the blinking cursor, i type on touchscreen, the letter comes up on the pop up but doesn't write it
Nov 12 18:54:56 <jeev> it just pops up but still says Type to compose
Nov 12 18:55:04 <jeev> even if i turn it, does the same thing
Nov 12 18:55:18 <jeev> i have to use the physical keyboard to make it work
Nov 12 18:58:42 <bnovc> EugeneKay: did yo mean to autocomplete benc1 instead?
Nov 12 18:58:54 <EugeneKay> Probably.
Nov 12 18:59:05 * EugeneKay pokes you in the eye anyway
Nov 12 19:01:16 <jeev> heh wow
Nov 12 19:01:21 <jeev> this phone records how fast it takes you to do something
Nov 12 19:01:22 <jeev> crazy
Nov 12 19:01:32 <jeev> soon they'll have percentiles for people.. slow ones to fast ones
Nov 12 19:01:35 <ctate> ?
Nov 12 19:01:49 <jeev> girls will have access to buy the data, they'll see whoever types slow is probably slow is probably slow in bed
Nov 12 19:01:57 <jeev> so they'll pay for the data, fast typers wont get laid anymore
Nov 12 19:02:11 <jeev> ctate, my thingy keeps freezing
Nov 12 19:02:11 <lov> .... what the fuck?
Nov 12 19:02:13 <jeev> should i logcat?
Nov 12 19:03:16 <ctate> "thingy"?
Nov 12 19:03:18 <jeev> droid
Nov 12 19:03:28 <ctate> a bugreport would be much more useful than just a logcat
Nov 12 19:03:36 <jeev> where do i go for a bugreport
Nov 12 19:03:39 <ctate> adb bugreport > laggy-droid.txt
Nov 12 19:03:44 <jeev> i see
Nov 12 19:03:47 <lov> ctate, my phone keeps getting telemarketers. Fix it for me!
Nov 12 19:03:55 <ctate> be sure to redirect it to a file -- it's something like 1.5 megs of text
Nov 12 19:04:09 <ctate> if you can do this *while* it's in the laggy state, that would be by far the most useful
Nov 12 19:06:35 <jeev> yea i did it while it was frozen in the text
Nov 12 19:06:38 <jeev> but it has some info in it..
Nov 12 19:11:08 <jeev> ctate, can i message you the logcat
Nov 12 19:11:11 <jeev> that it locked up on
Nov 12 19:11:19 <jeev> the link
Nov 12 19:11:20 <bnovc> bugreport not logcat!
Nov 12 19:11:27 <bnovc> oh you already had one
Nov 12 19:11:40 <jeev> yea, it just keeps freezing man
Nov 12 19:11:46 <jeev> i have a bugreport too
Nov 12 19:12:03 <bnovc> freezing as in the ui becomes unresponsive but you can still see stuff or it goes black or what
Nov 12 19:12:25 <bmusson-work> i tried everything and i cant get my droid to connect to wifi at work
Nov 12 19:13:08 <pfn> jeev, gmail and activesync already compete with "push"
Nov 12 19:13:23 <pfn> bmusson-work, yeah, the droid seems picky about what wifi networks it will connect to
Nov 12 19:13:26 <pfn> it connects to my home network fine
Nov 12 19:13:33 <bmusson-work> same here
Nov 12 19:13:38 <pfn> it wouldn't connect to the 64bit wep network at work, but it would connect to the 128bit wep network
Nov 12 19:13:40 <bnovc> a lot of people have reported that, that it finds the wrong encyrption type
Nov 12 19:13:41 <bmusson-work> i even imported the p12 file.
Nov 12 19:13:44 * pfn assumes there's a problem with 64bit network
Nov 12 19:13:59 <jeev> pfn, without gmail!
Nov 12 19:14:02 <bmusson-work> god damn this sucks so bad
Nov 12 19:14:09 <pfn> jeev, then activesync does push
Nov 12 19:14:14 <jeev> without activesync!
Nov 12 19:14:14 <bmusson-work> i cant use activesync because there are no it policies
Nov 12 19:14:15 <jeev> W/InputManagerService( 1015): Window already focused, ignoring focus gain of: com.android.internal.view.IInputMethodClient$Stub$Proxy@447a3918
Nov 12 19:14:17 <pfn> jeev, and assuming the client does IMAP IDLE, then IMAP as well
Nov 12 19:14:27 <bmusson-work> and i cant even get my phone on the network to receive emails
Nov 12 19:14:28 <bmusson-work> FUCK
Nov 12 19:14:33 <jeev> bnovc, i can still see it.
Nov 12 19:14:51 <bnovc> jeev: can't click? (either hard key or touchscreen)
Nov 12 19:14:53 <jeev> i can see it, a) the cursor stops blinking and just becomes solid and i can't press anything b) i can press things but the cursor keeps blinking
Nov 12 19:15:04 <jeev> i've tested the problem with b), i have to open the hard keyboard for it
Nov 12 19:15:06 <pfn> I should check out a log of IMAP commands to see if the email client does do idle
Nov 12 19:15:06 <jeev> i haven't tested it with a)
Nov 12 19:15:25 <jeev> happens after an unlock
Nov 12 19:15:26 <bmusson-work> oh yeah and VPN doesnt work either
Nov 12 19:15:32 <jeev> bmusson-work, pptp works for me
Nov 12 19:15:43 <bmusson-work> certificate based?
Nov 12 19:15:47 <jeev> havn't tested
Nov 12 19:15:48 <pfn> bmusson-work, I find vpn to be a pain for most situations, I could never get l2tp or pptp to work on my ipod
Nov 12 19:15:51 <jeev> password only
Nov 12 19:15:56 <manitou> if i putt svap on sd  , did android (1.6) use it ?
Nov 12 19:16:00 <bmusson-work> yeah i use certificates at work
Nov 12 19:16:02 <manitou> swap*
Nov 12 19:16:07 <jeev> pptp didn't work on my windows 2003 server, maybe forwarding is down or natd, who knows.. it connected
Nov 12 19:16:11 <bmusson-work> like any regular enterprise
Nov 12 19:16:12 <jeev> but pptp with mpd on freebsd worked
Nov 12 19:16:45 <bmusson-work> so i really have no way of getting my email
Nov 12 19:16:49 <bmusson-work> unless i ssh into work
Nov 12 19:16:51 <pfn> so does the email client in android do IMAP IDLE?
Nov 12 19:16:54 <bmusson-work> and create a tunne;
Nov 12 19:17:36 <tech9iner> btw mates.. wtf coded cupcakes dictionary in messaging?.. utterly strange sorting algorithm in play.. cant imagine how typing 'tarp' and spacebar gets replaced by 'taros' ? wtf is a taros? lol.. or past tense words weirdness ie typing 'boss' then scrolling for 'bossed' or 'bosses' etc.. are found way beyond choices that arent even sorted alphabetically?.. weird..
Nov 12 19:18:00 <bmusson-work> taro root
Nov 12 19:18:27 <bmusson-work>  hope there is a significant update for this phone soon
Nov 12 19:18:43 <lov> tech9iner: I don't even know what you just said.
Nov 12 19:18:49 <jeev> so where do you support a bugreport
Nov 12 19:18:51 <jeev> i mean submit
Nov 12 19:18:53 <pfn> a taro is a tuber
Nov 12 19:19:04 <Disconnect> jeev: b.android.com
Nov 12 19:19:07 <tech9iner> ..if found at all.. strange words often offered before very common english standards.. strangest spell checker / auto replace experience ever here
Nov 12 19:19:09 <Disconnect> its really hard to find
Nov 12 19:19:20 <manitou> if i putt swap on sd  , did android (1.6) use it ?
Nov 12 19:19:27 <KNY> no
Nov 12 19:19:36 <manitou> :)
Nov 12 19:19:37 <KNY> only if you use a third-party ROM like cyanogenmod
Nov 12 19:19:37 <lov> jeev: I imagine you send it directly to ctate's email. Did you run bugreport?
Nov 12 19:19:40 <Disconnect> jeev: or http://tinyurl.com/y9mgxqa
Nov 12 19:19:47 <jeev> disco-, REALLY hard
Nov 12 19:19:50 <jeev> disconnect i mean
Nov 12 19:19:52 <jeev> lov, ctate hates me
Nov 12 19:20:00 <lov> ctate hates everyone
Nov 12 19:20:05 <jeev> disconnect, mind googling something else for me
Nov 12 19:20:35 <bnovc> jeev: are you able to shell to your device when its in that state?
Nov 12 19:21:14 <jeev> yea bnovc
Nov 12 19:22:01 <bnovc> jeev: does anything have high cpu usage?
Nov 12 19:22:05 <bnovc> like starving the clicks?
Nov 12 19:22:43 <jeev> i wouldn't nkow bnovc
Nov 12 19:22:45 <jeev> i dunno how to check cpu usage4
Nov 12 19:23:25 <CompBrain> Has anyone cobbled together the android market api protocol buffers?
Nov 12 19:24:05 <bnovc> jeev: run procrank or ps
Nov 12 19:24:13 <bnovc> er not procrank, just ps
Nov 12 19:24:13 <ctate> bnovc, jeev: or 'top'
Nov 12 19:24:23 <ctate> (which you have to ^C to get out of)
Nov 12 19:24:37 <AbortRetryFail> Has anyone noticed there's 2 little holes under the glass face of the Moto Droid? What are those for? IrDA?
Nov 12 19:24:53 <bnovc> procrank if something has high memory uasge, but it sounds like you have CPU problems or something didnt realease a lock/etc.
Nov 12 19:25:07 <bnovc> AbortRetryFail: turns off your display when you're on a call and your face is on it
Nov 12 19:25:09 <AbortRetryFail> It's not the light sensor for the screen auto-dim, that's on the right. So is the notification LED
Nov 12 19:25:27 <AbortRetryFail> bnovc: i figured they'd use the capacitive screen to detect that.
Nov 12 19:25:44 <jeev> how can i run top hehe
Nov 12 19:25:45 <bnovc> how would it know that?
Nov 12 19:26:03 <AbortRetryFail> the display has multitouch
Nov 12 19:26:11 <bnovc> most people dont hold the phone that way when they speak
Nov 12 19:26:19 <bnovc> they hold it with the top near their ear and the rest off of their face
Nov 12 19:26:37 <lov> I scream into my phone while holding it directly in front of my face
Nov 12 19:26:40 <AbortRetryFail> how do you know that? take a survey?
Nov 12 19:26:42 <Disconnect> yah but capacitance isn't on/off
Nov 12 19:26:47 <lov> I like to pretend the phone is the person I am talking to, and I am 50 feet tall
Nov 12 19:27:04 <lov> "DO YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE TALKING TO?!"
Nov 12 19:27:09 * pfn snickers
Nov 12 19:27:20 <bnovc> AbortRetryFail: since you want to be a smartass, let me rephrase: enough people do it that you can't use the multitouch on the display to avoid problems
Nov 12 19:27:28 <Disconnect> that would explain some of the default volume settings the g1 has had over the updates
Nov 12 19:27:28 <lov> "YES, I WOULD LIKE AN ARR EMM EYE FOR THAT PRODUCT, THANK YOU!"
Nov 12 19:28:10 <AbortRetryFail> gotcha.
Nov 12 19:28:24 <AbortRetryFail> that's definitely what it's for though, thanks for the explanation.
Nov 12 19:28:41 <bnovc> yep
Nov 12 19:28:45 <jeev> bnovc, from my debug file
Nov 12 19:28:48 <jeev> it shows procrank
Nov 12 19:28:51 <jeev> no high usage, just top at 11%
Nov 12 19:31:29 <jeev> ctate, can i message you
Nov 12 19:31:32 <ctate> yep
Nov 12 19:32:05 <tech9iner> <tech9
Nov 12 19:32:12 <jeev> weak gun
Nov 12 19:32:12 <tech9iner> grrr..
Nov 12 19:32:25 <AbortRetryFail> tek22 was weaker
Nov 12 19:32:27 <AbortRetryFail> i almost bought one
Nov 12 19:32:54 <lov> veteran of the tek wars
Nov 12 19:33:01 <lov> did you fight along side william shatner?
Nov 12 19:33:05 <jeev> lol lr 22
Nov 12 19:33:06 <AbortRetryFail> lmao
Nov 12 19:33:14 <AbortRetryFail> i remember that stupid show
Nov 12 19:34:12 <tech9iner> heh
Nov 12 19:34:21 * pfn kicks vzw for removing apn settings from the droid  :(
Nov 12 19:34:28 <pfn> I want it to not say vzw all over the place, damnit
Nov 12 19:34:44 <lov> yeah good luck on that one
Nov 12 19:34:49 <lov> but hey this is their version of "openess"
Nov 12 19:34:56 <pfn> I mean, it's already branded all over the place on the phone itself
Nov 12 19:34:56 * tech9iner ponders wtf happened to that actor from tek wars that i enjoyed so much in the old sitcom 'my two dads'..
Nov 12 19:34:57 <ctate> APNs are so GSM.
Nov 12 19:35:03 <pfn> why should I be constantly reminded in the OS
Nov 12 19:35:08 <ctate> this is CDMA, remember?  no device interoperability.
Nov 12 19:35:23 <pfn> ctate, well, can switch to sprint....
Nov 12 19:35:29 <pfn> or vice versa
Nov 12 19:35:39 <AbortRetryFail> or one of the re-seller carriers like metropcs
Nov 12 19:35:39 <lov> 2 dads 1 cup
Nov 12 19:35:40 <ctate> i have been told that you cannot move handsets between VZW and Sprint
Nov 12 19:35:43 <AbortRetryFail> but there's no way they'd let you use an android phone
Nov 12 19:35:53 <AbortRetryFail> different frequencies
Nov 12 19:35:54 <jeev> sprint might take it to be honest
Nov 12 19:35:56 <pfn> although, supposedly, sprint is 1900mhz and vzw is 850mhz
Nov 12 19:36:01 <jeev> but verizon was supposed to accept it
Nov 12 19:36:03 <pfn> *however* in the past
Nov 12 19:36:04 <jeev> "open access"
Nov 12 19:36:09 <pfn> I was able to move between sprint and vzw no problem
Nov 12 19:36:09 <ctate> specifically i've been told that the *hardware* is not compatible
Nov 12 19:36:15 <ctate> if that's not true then yay
Nov 12 19:36:20 <AbortRetryFail> ctate: some phones might be some aren't
Nov 12 19:36:23 <pfn> back in like 2000, I was able to use a nokia candybar
Nov 12 19:36:24 <jeev> ctate, most hardware is the same with tose
Nov 12 19:36:29 <AbortRetryFail> kind of like how some GSM phones don't work on US networks
Nov 12 19:36:42 <zinx> ctate: the hardware /isn't/ compatible - it doesn't have the same ESN or whatever number!
Nov 12 19:36:45 <jeev> i've flashed sprint blackberry's and other phones to verizon, 611 goes to verizon
Nov 12 19:36:49 <pfn> anyway, my main concern is getting rid of the vzw banner
Nov 12 19:36:50 <jeev> they just wont take it cause ESN isn't in their system
Nov 12 19:36:53 <zinx> (i have no idea what they call their identification numbers)
Nov 12 19:36:57 <pfn> I don't need to be reminded I'm using vzw, I already know, damnit
Nov 12 19:37:00 <jeev> zinx, min probably
Nov 12 19:37:04 <AbortRetryFail> pfn: what banner?
Nov 12 19:37:06 <Qwell> pfn: it's so other people know :p
Nov 12 19:37:15 <jeev> oh know, qwell the virus
Nov 12 19:37:16 <pfn> Qwell, the phone is branded itself
Nov 12 19:37:19 <jeev> run!
Nov 12 19:37:24 <pfn> AbortRetryFail, notification tray
Nov 12 19:37:26 <mikepett> Aren't the actual screen "width" of the Droid and iPhone the same? Why does the Droid keyboard seem so much more cramped?
Nov 12 19:37:40 <pfn> mikepett, screen width is about .25" smaller on the droid
Nov 12 19:37:51 <AbortRetryFail> lol when does it say vzw
Nov 12 19:37:56 <pfn> the shorter direction
Nov 12 19:37:58 <pfn> AbortRetryFail, pull it down
Nov 12 19:38:01 <pfn> are you blind
Nov 12 19:38:01 <mikepett> pfn: ahhh, I see.
Nov 12 19:38:04 <AbortRetryFail> Im looking at it right now
Nov 12 19:38:17 <pfn> AbortRetryFail, it's like the very first thing at the top
Nov 12 19:38:18 <pfn> duh
Nov 12 19:38:21 <AbortRetryFail> Nov 12, 2009 .. . . .14:38
Nov 12 19:38:24 <AbortRetryFail> Ongoing
Nov 12 19:38:26 <AbortRetryFail> Meebo IM
Nov 12 19:38:26 <AbortRetryFail> that's all
Nov 12 19:38:27 <pfn> AbortRetryFail, next row
Nov 12 19:38:27 <AbortRetryFail> lol
Nov 12 19:38:27 <tech9iner> pfn: model paint is one tact..
Nov 12 19:38:37 <pfn> AbortRetryFail, lucky you
Nov 12 19:38:40 <zinx> pfn: that's what network you're currently on, i think - i think it changes during roaming, in particular
Nov 12 19:38:41 <AbortRetryFail> lucky?
Nov 12 19:38:46 <pfn> AbortRetryFail, above ongoing, I see a banner that says "Verizon Wireless"
Nov 12 19:38:54 <AbortRetryFail> my droid doesn't have that
Nov 12 19:38:57 <pfn> and on the lock screen
Nov 12 19:39:06 <pfn> did you hax0r that out or something?
Nov 12 19:39:10 <pfn> heh
Nov 12 19:39:11 <AbortRetryFail> no, it never had it
Nov 12 19:39:11 <tech9iner> hmm.. really.. i missunderstood then.. i thot the droid screen was tad bit larger than iphone
Nov 12 19:39:23 <pfn> tech9iner, it is
Nov 12 19:39:29 <AbortRetryFail> tech9iner: just a bit.
Nov 12 19:39:32 <mikepett> Droid is still bad ass though... I'll probably get used to the keyboard - just like I couldn't type on the iPhone keyboard for 3 monts.
Nov 12 19:39:34 <bnovc> lov: i have debugging working correctly w/jdb now. I don't know what I did wrong before
Nov 12 19:39:36 <pfn> tech9iner, but due to the differing aspect ratio, it is smaller in one direction, and larger in the other
Nov 12 19:39:45 <tech9iner> ah.. so i missunderstood me missunderstanding again.... dammit..
Nov 12 19:39:46 <tech9iner> ;]
Nov 12 19:40:12 <bnovc> jdb lacks so many features :( arrow keys, etc. :(
Nov 12 19:40:23 <AbortRetryFail> pfn: what firmware version/build number are you running?
Nov 12 19:40:49 <pfn> droid is 1 13/16"
Nov 12 19:40:49 <tech9iner> mikepett: ive read reviews both sides.. some ppl love droid kybrd.. others beef bout it.. also bitchn bout lack of numerical top row
Nov 12 19:40:59 <pfn> x9 1/4"
Nov 12 19:41:18 <pfn> 34, 3 1/4"
Nov 12 19:41:21 <pfn> er, 3 1/4"
Nov 12 19:41:26 <lov> bnovc: you asked for a gdb style debugger for android, and now you have it.
Nov 12 19:41:51 <pfn> iphone is 3"x2"
Nov 12 19:41:52 <bnovc> lov: ya, gdb is great...jdb has tons of issues
Nov 12 19:42:14 <bnovc> lov: gdb allows you to use arrow keys and autocomplete class names and stuff
Nov 12 19:42:15 <pfn> jdb is much harder to work with due to the threaded nature of java
Nov 12 19:42:26 <tech9iner> what is our current g1 android version btw lads?.. ive been scarce on android time here an otherwise and noted on market lots of refs to 1.6 apps?.. me g1 is still running JF's cupcake ..
Nov 12 19:42:31 <pfn> but otherwise, what do you need, just print, list, step, next, break
Nov 12 19:42:58 <pfn> AbortRetryFail, 2.0, of course, build is esd20
Nov 12 19:43:06 <AbortRetryFail> same as mine.
Nov 12 19:43:07 <tech9iner> oh and anyone tried that 'tungs' is it?.. spoken language translator app on androlib?
Nov 12 19:43:10 <AbortRetryFail> weird.
Nov 12 19:43:35 <tech9iner> video of it running on a g1 was impressive.. but..
Nov 12 19:44:00 <tech9iner> specially for $0.99 USD iirc
Nov 12 19:44:03 <pfn> you know, the droid's screen *is* smaller than the iphone's
Nov 12 19:44:06 <pfn> I didn't realize that
Nov 12 19:44:15 <pfn> it's larger in the diagonal dimension only
Nov 12 19:44:27 <pfn> but area wise, it's about .1sq" smaller
Nov 12 19:44:30 <AbortRetryFail> yeah, it's just a bit longer, long-ways
Nov 12 19:44:39 <ewon> anyone using google voice on their android phone?
Nov 12 19:44:46 <ewon> does it use cell minutes?
Nov 12 19:44:48 <AbortRetryFail> ewon: i've got it on mine, works great.
Nov 12 19:44:50 <ewon> I'm confused
Nov 12 19:44:53 <AbortRetryFail> I believe it does.
Nov 12 19:44:55 <pfn> ewon, gv uses cell phone minutes
Nov 12 19:44:55 <ewon> hum
Nov 12 19:45:04 <pfn> unless you have voip, or a F&F number that you can use to forward to gv
Nov 12 19:45:04 <AbortRetryFail> GV just forwards calls to your cell number
Nov 12 19:45:09 <ctate> of course it does; it's a cell call.
Nov 12 19:45:14 <AbortRetryFail> f&f?
Nov 12 19:45:15 <ewon> if I dial an international number from google voice, does it use international minutes?
Nov 12 19:45:19 <pfn> AbortRetryFail, friends and family
Nov 12 19:45:22 <AbortRetryFail> ah ok
Nov 12 19:45:32 <AbortRetryFail> yeah that's a good idea, add your gv number to f&f lol
Nov 12 19:45:35 <pfn> ewon, no, it's handled by gv, however that is
Nov 12 19:45:41 <ewon> hum, ok
Nov 12 19:45:45 <pfn> AbortRetryFail, supposedly carriers are attempting to block it
Nov 12 19:45:49 <SuD> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI <-- omg! iphone is got a new killer app!
Nov 12 19:45:59 <AbortRetryFail> ewon: it acts like a call to your google voice number, which is local if you registered one that's local.
Nov 12 19:46:03 <pfn> iphone and new killer app?
Nov 12 19:46:05 <tech9iner_> speaking of fail.. dammit tmobile.. stop dropping me signal already..
Nov 12 19:46:16 <pfn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI
Nov 12 19:46:22 <pfn> oops
Nov 12 19:46:24 <pfn> This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions.
Nov 12 19:46:28 <AbortRetryFail> This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions.
Nov 12 19:46:29 <ewon> AbortRetryFail: ah, ok
Nov 12 19:46:30 <ewon> cool
Nov 12 19:46:32 <AbortRetryFail> yay youtube.
Nov 12 19:46:33 <ewon> thanks guys
Nov 12 19:46:38 <AbortRetryFail> np
Nov 12 19:46:41 <tech9iner> did i miss any feedback to me tungs query mates?
Nov 12 19:46:49 <pfn> no, no response to you
Nov 12 19:47:05 <AbortRetryFail> tech9iner: seems like a worthwhile app if it's only $.99 USD
Nov 12 19:47:08 <tech9iner> pfn: maw? that you? heh
Nov 12 19:47:20 <tech9iner> AbortRetryFail: did you see its video too?
Nov 12 19:47:26 <AbortRetryFail> but does it just forward the recording to a server someplace or actually work on the phone?
Nov 12 19:47:34 <AbortRetryFail> wouldn't be very useful if it needed the cloud.
Nov 12 19:48:58 <jeev> my droid is filling vpn log nasty
Nov 12 19:48:59 <jeev> rejecting stuff
Nov 12 19:49:14 <jeev> Nov 12 11:45:02 dry mpd: [L-1] LCP: protocol 0xd41c was rejected
Nov 12 19:49:14 <jeev> Nov 12 11:45:02 dry mpd: [L-1] LCP: rec'd Protocol Reject #3 (Opened)
Nov 12 19:49:14 <jeev> Nov 12 11:45:02 dry mpd: [L-1] LCP: protocol ICOMPD was rejected
Nov 12 19:49:16 <jeev> stuff like that
Nov 12 19:49:23 <jeev> when i use droid's browser, it barely pulls up a site
Nov 12 19:49:27 <AbortRetryFail> whats the other endpoint running?
Nov 12 19:49:29 <SuD> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/09/2737673.htm <-- pfn you've been remotely rick rolled
Nov 12 19:49:36 <jeev> mpd on freebsd
Nov 12 19:49:37 <tech9iner> AbortRetryFail: hmmm.. good question
Nov 12 19:49:38 <tech9iner> wtf?
Nov 12 19:49:53 <tech9iner> jeesh jeev
Nov 12 19:49:55 <AbortRetryFail> if i had a usb cable with me i'd chec if mine does.
Nov 12 19:50:12 <AbortRetryFail> mine connects to the pfsense firewall (bsd-based) just fine.
Nov 12 19:50:22 <jeev> what
Nov 12 19:50:36 <AbortRetryFail> oh that's on the router side hold on
Nov 12 19:52:47 <AbortRetryFail> jeev: nothing like that on my end.
Nov 12 19:52:53 <jeev> what you running
Nov 12 19:53:23 <AbortRetryFail> pfsense, it's based on freebsd.
Nov 12 19:53:26 <AbortRetryFail> pptp vpn
Nov 12 19:53:31 <jeev> login and see what daemon it is
Nov 12 19:53:36 <jeev> i use pfsense at home\
Nov 12 19:53:40 <AbortRetryFail> it's mpd
Nov 12 19:53:45 <jeev> yea
Nov 12 19:53:50 <jeev> let me see your config
Nov 12 19:54:03 <AbortRetryFail> let me censor it first lol
Nov 12 19:54:17 <jeev> just dont show me your secret file ?
Nov 12 19:54:47 <AbortRetryFail> i was going to cut out the vpn part of the pfsense xml config
Nov 12 19:55:00 <AbortRetryFail> but brb 1 sec
Nov 12 19:55:01 <jeev> now it's not flooding the log
Nov 12 19:55:04 <jeev> get your mpd.conf !
Nov 12 19:55:13 <AbortRetryFail> yeah doing that.
Nov 12 19:57:20 <jeev> it's not going berserk anymore
Nov 12 19:57:43 <AbortRetryFail> maybe it was dropping packets on 3g
Nov 12 19:57:58 <jeev> weird
Nov 12 19:58:35 <AbortRetryFail> http://pastebin.ca/1668678
Nov 12 19:58:48 <AbortRetryFail> generated by the webinterface so dont complain about how silly it is ;)
Nov 12 20:03:30 <SparQz> afternoon android ph4ns
Nov 12 20:04:18 <jeev> wow
Nov 12 20:04:21 <jeev> you really couldn't just say fans ?
Nov 12 20:04:33 <SparQz> lol nah
Nov 12 20:04:39 <pfn> he just saw the numb3rs episode
Nov 12 20:04:55 <pfn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ
Nov 12 20:05:09 <SparQz> nah there is a website androidphans
Nov 12 20:05:40 <jeev> hahahahah how lame is that show
Nov 12 20:05:44 <tech9iner> jeev: habit mate.. in me home #opensuse we're spoiled to no more than 3 lines output of such data in channel.. habit ;]]..
Nov 12 20:05:46 <jeev> how can you not be heard on irc
Nov 12 20:05:55 <jeev> most channels are like that tech9iner
Nov 12 20:17:33 <Tompy> Hello, I was hoping someone could help me.
Nov 12 20:17:33 <Tompy> I'm having problems getting apps from the android market, simply because... I can't find them! And when I say that I can't find them I don't mean that I'm looking for apps not available in my country (because they are according to several sites and other people in my country saying they have them).
Nov 12 20:17:33 <Tompy> I've even tried using the browser on the phone to manually go to a site that says "click here if you are on a phone to install the app!", and when I click on it, it opens up the market with a faulty link or something...
Nov 12 20:17:33 <Tompy> Anyone know anything about this? D:
Nov 12 20:18:00 <mikedg-blau> whats your carrier/
Nov 12 20:18:11 <mikedg-blau> what phone are you using, is that phone officially available on that carrier
Nov 12 20:18:19 <Tompy> HTC Tattoo
Nov 12 20:18:55 <Tompy> Dunno what to say because the term carrier is new to me... :(
Nov 12 20:19:17 <AbortRetryFail> your phone service provider
Nov 12 20:19:21 <Disconnect> joy, the daily moderation flood has hit.
Nov 12 20:19:47 <Tompy> Well I got the phone from my carrier in that case
Nov 12 20:20:00 <sdague> the tattoo has the really small screen, so unless the app has a profile for it, it won't be visible to the phone
Nov 12 20:20:16 <Disconnect> haha including obvious spam. nice.
Nov 12 20:20:44 <Tompy> Even in the market? <.<
Nov 12 20:20:45 <pfn> hmm, how do I manage avrcp and media applications?  how do I define which application gets the focus from avrcp controls?
Nov 12 20:21:30 <sdague> Tompy: yes, I think that's how it works
Nov 12 20:21:32 <Tompy> Because I end up *not* finding a lot of the apps in the market, that are supposedly supporting tattoo.
Nov 12 20:22:05 <Tompy> At least as I'm noticing it
Nov 12 20:22:17 <prodigel> hi all. I have this app in the notification area that seems blocked. It's a white dots circle on a black background, the standard loading animation. How can I find out which app tried to run there, to uninstall it?
Nov 12 20:22:23 <lov> Tompy: whoops.
Nov 12 20:22:35 <lov> Tompy: who is your provider btw?
Nov 12 20:22:37 <Spider-Pork> good evening
Nov 12 20:22:46 <lov> a lot of countries don't offer paid apps yet either
Nov 12 20:23:00 <Tompy> Not my country, but the ones I'm after are free <.<
Nov 12 20:23:02 <lov> so, telling us who your provider is and what country you're in will help
Nov 12 20:23:08 <sdague> Tompy: I don't know fully, I have a hero.  But I do know the Tattoo is a special case, because it has a 240x320 screen, so default applications may act very odd on it
Nov 12 20:23:24 <Tompy> provider - the ones I'm paying to make calls?
Nov 12 20:23:54 <lov> yes. who do you pay money to every month so that your phone continues providing you telephony and data services?
Nov 12 20:23:59 <Tompy> 3
Nov 12 20:24:14 <Tompy> Swedish company
Nov 12 20:25:00 <lov> sweden doesn't offer paid apps yet
Nov 12 20:25:05 <Tompy> I know <.<
Nov 12 20:25:08 <lov> so, that's probably why your market offerings are pretty sparse
Nov 12 20:25:16 <Tompy> But the apps I'm after are free
Nov 12 20:25:18 <lov> though you'er right in that people who say they support tattoo don't
Nov 12 20:26:57 * KNY does
Nov 12 20:27:04 <AbortRetryFail> 240x320 is pretty small
Nov 12 20:27:10 <AbortRetryFail> isn't that smaller than any of the other android phones?
Nov 12 20:27:14 <romainguy_> it is
Nov 12 20:27:26 <KNY> which is why Market is pretty much a ghost town :)
Nov 12 20:27:37 <AbortRetryFail> That's PocketPC 2003 style :)
Nov 12 20:27:44 <Tompy> Then why am I not finding apps that other tattoo users can get? D:
Nov 12 20:27:50 <SparQz> lol abort
Nov 12 20:28:10 <KNY> AbortRetryFail: it's actually really well done, though. Sense UI is fast and pretty on the phone
Nov 12 20:28:12 <SparQz> are they from different region or provider?
Nov 12 20:28:26 <Tompy> same
Nov 12 20:31:11 <Tompy> Well thanks anyway...
Nov 12 20:31:16 <AbortRetryFail> KNY: yeah i could see it being usable. On my droid, everything is BIG enough that it could be on a screen of that res and still be usable (ok maybe the web browser might need some help)
Nov 12 20:31:28 <AbortRetryFail> it'd just not have such nice smooth lines and anti-aliasing
Nov 12 20:31:29 <AbortRetryFail> :)
Nov 12 20:31:37 <KNY> of course not
Nov 12 20:31:52 <KNY> but I'm still very impressed with the device (I was expecting a total shitshow)
Nov 12 20:32:08 <AbortRetryFail> it's probably a hell of a lot more affordable than this was.
Nov 12 20:32:25 <AbortRetryFail> what are they selling for? htc's website doesn't say and i don't think any US carriers have them.
Nov 12 20:32:29 <tech9iner> ciao lads..
Nov 12 20:32:58 <KNY> AbortRetryFail: no clue.
Nov 12 20:34:42 <lov> Any users with a tattoo in a country that supports paid apps want to do me a favor?
Nov 12 20:34:49 <lov> actually, nvm :P
Nov 12 20:34:59 <SparQz> damn fc
Nov 12 20:59:53 <Cptnodegard> is there a screenshot feature in android 1.5?
Nov 12 21:00:01 <Cptnodegard> like on the iphone
Nov 12 21:00:02 <jasta> ddms can take screenshots of the device
Nov 12 21:00:05 <Cptnodegard> press two buttons etc
Nov 12 21:00:13 <jasta> oh, no
Nov 12 21:00:14 <Cptnodegard> ddms?
Nov 12 21:00:19 <jasta> but you could write such a feature easily
Nov 12 21:00:23 <jasta> you can capture the devices screen in code
Nov 12 21:00:30 <jasta> but ddms is probably still easier to use
Nov 12 21:00:53 <pfn> so why is samsung pushing for bada
Nov 12 21:01:03 <pfn> why doesn't samsung just roll over for android
Nov 12 21:01:12 <pfn> variety and competition may breed innovation and all
Nov 12 21:01:14 <pfn> but still
Nov 12 21:01:56 <Cptnodegard> okay.. also, theres a arrow in the upper left corner of this device, holding it brings up a few apps. are those apps running or recently used?
Nov 12 21:02:20 <Cptnodegard> if 1, how do i kill them, and if 2, where are the running apps?
Nov 12 21:03:00 <pfn> an arrow?  upper left corner?
Nov 12 21:03:04 <vulc4n> ^^
Nov 12 21:03:22 <Cptnodegard> this is an archos 5a. maybe i should assume andoird is android
Nov 12 21:03:31 <Cptnodegard> at least i hope andoird isnt as buggy as tis thing
Nov 12 21:03:33 <scorche|sh> Cptnodegard: it would be helpful to note that you are using the archos tablet instead of "android"
Nov 12 21:04:03 <Cptnodegard> andoird should be andoird in a sane universe
Nov 12 21:04:04 <lov> Cptnodegard: that's kind of a wierd version of android
Nov 12 21:04:10 <pfn> Cptnodegard, that's not true
Nov 12 21:04:12 <scorche|sh> android isnt android...at least in gui terms...manufacturers often do peculiar things with them
Nov 12 21:04:16 <lov> anyway, that should be recently used apps.
Nov 12 21:04:23 <lov> those apps aren't necessarily running
Nov 12 21:04:27 <lov> or even in existance anymore
Nov 12 21:04:39 <pfn> android isn't necessarily android
Nov 12 21:04:41 <scorche|sh> Cptnodegard: get a task manager app like task killer/task manager/advanced task manager/etc
Nov 12 21:04:45 <pfn> every piece of the OS is customizable
Nov 12 21:04:53 <lov> android has a non-intuitive way of handling the application lifecycle
Nov 12 21:05:00 <lov> scorche|sh: you really don't need a task manager :|
Nov 12 21:05:10 <pfn> task manager = bad idea, I think
Nov 12 21:05:17 <pfn> I clicked kill-all in taskiller once
Nov 12 21:05:17 <scorche|sh> lov: no, but he still wants one, i would imagine
Nov 12 21:05:20 <pfn> it messed up my email
Nov 12 21:05:31 <scorche|sh> pfn: that is why you can set it to ignore apps  ;)
Nov 12 21:05:32 <pfn> you can force applications to close under settings->manage applications
Nov 12 21:05:33 <lov> taskkiller only makes sense if the app is really hosed but refuses to get reclaimed
Nov 12 21:05:41 <vulc4n> yeah
Nov 12 21:05:43 <phiqtion> anyone owns a blackberry?
Nov 12 21:05:48 <lov> but usually opening the browser (or copilot) is enough to force them to get reclaimed for memory
Nov 12 21:05:49 <pfn> which someone educated me about a few days ago
Nov 12 21:05:51 <vulc4n> I've come to understand that android works fine without a task killer
Nov 12 21:05:56 <pfn> vulc4n, indeed
Nov 12 21:06:00 <vulc4n> the only thing I am using is startup auditor
Nov 12 21:06:00 * pfn gets ready for a bike ride
Nov 12 21:06:01 <Disconnect> lov: you do if you want to tell it what you are doing. for example, i don't care that i had the browser open a minute ago, i'm done with it. i'm much more interested in not having to click 'map mode''traffic' every 60 seconds to keep the 'low memory, disabling traffic' crap from popping up.
Nov 12 21:06:06 <pfn> gonna see if I can listen to pandora for the entire route
Nov 12 21:06:10 <pfn> and also use speedypal
Nov 12 21:06:13 <pfn> or sportypall
Nov 12 21:06:14 <pfn> pal
Nov 12 21:06:14 * Cptnodegard looks at iphone, sighs, gets pain killers, goes back to archos 5a
Nov 12 21:06:15 <pfn> whatever it is
Nov 12 21:06:17 <vulc4n> startup auditor just keeps stuff from running at startup wen I don't want it to
Nov 12 21:06:27 * pfn just uninstalls stuff he won't use
Nov 12 21:06:33 <lov> Cptnodegard: go pick up a Droid :>
Nov 12 21:06:39 * pfn <3 droid so far
Nov 12 21:06:43 <pfn> minor bugs and all
Nov 12 21:06:47 <Cptnodegard> i dont hate myself that much
Nov 12 21:06:58 <vulc4n> well, I'm talking like the unified email box and some other built in apps I don't want or use
Nov 12 21:07:01 <pfn> some stuff needs to be worked on massively, like the media player
Nov 12 21:07:05 <Cptnodegard> someone i know has one...says its too buggy to make phone calls :s
Nov 12 21:07:14 <vulc4n> honestly, I can deal with the fugly mediap layer
Nov 12 21:07:14 <pfn> Cptnodegard, that's bullshit
Nov 12 21:07:18 <vulc4n> fix the damn camera
Nov 12 21:07:29 <pfn> vulc4n, I rarely use the camera, but I listen to music all the time
Nov 12 21:07:33 <vulc4n> same
Nov 12 21:07:37 <pfn> and if I do use the camera, I can stand the picture being a little out of focus
Nov 12 21:07:39 <vulc4n> but the media player functions fine
Nov 12 21:07:46 <vulc4n> the camera does not function at all
Nov 12 21:07:57 <keny> why does everyone hate the music player that much? :/
Nov 12 21:08:08 <pfn> keny, because it's a threadbare application that barely does anything
Nov 12 21:08:15 <vulc4n> keny: at firstglance I ahted i but after using i its actually very very functional
Nov 12 21:08:18 * keny likes it, but acks that it could be better, (more bells and whistles and stuff)
Nov 12 21:08:21 <vulc4n> the ui works great, it just ins't pretty
Nov 12 21:08:23 <pfn> it offers no control of media, no real functionality, except for play/pause/next, basics
Nov 12 21:08:33 <keny> pfn, huh?
Nov 12 21:08:36 <pfn> I want to be able to edit track names on device
Nov 12 21:08:39 <vulc4n> I disagree
Nov 12 21:08:49 <pfn> I want to be able to tag/flag/rate tracks on device
Nov 12 21:08:51 <vulc4n> the ui is more functional for navigation than the iPones or similar devices
Nov 12 21:08:59 <keny> pfn, it actually provides some functionality that most other players dont
Nov 12 21:09:05 <pfn> maybe I'm biased because I've been using an ipod touch for the last 2 years
Nov 12 21:09:15 <pfn> I'm trying to wean myself away from it
Nov 12 21:09:16 <Alien_Freak> yeah.. though they need to add paging for the application menu
Nov 12 21:09:26 <keny> pfn, let me state two important examples: 1) reordering of playlists on-the-fly 2) pause when the headphones get disconnected
Nov 12 21:09:28 <Alien_Freak> It gets really huge after a while...and laggy
Nov 12 21:09:28 <cephalopoid> pfn, you are biased indeed
Nov 12 21:09:31 <vulc4n> pfn: I've used either a zune or an iphone for the past 3 years or so
Nov 12 21:09:35 <pfn> keny, ipod does that
Nov 12 21:09:43 <pfn> keny, pauses when headphones get disconnected
Nov 12 21:09:49 <pfn> I don't really care about reordering playlists
Nov 12 21:09:52 <pfn> since I always listen on random
Nov 12 21:09:53 <keny> yes, but I dont think you can reorder the playlist titles on the way
Nov 12 21:10:04 <vulc4n> I had this weird thing the other day where my music was pausing when the headphones got disconected
Nov 12 21:10:04 <pfn> yeah, ipod only has otg playlists, which are utter stupid
Nov 12 21:10:07 <keny> thats actually the only reason for me not switching to other players
Nov 12 21:10:18 <cephalopoid> if it doesn't relate to last.fm, it doesn't matter
Nov 12 21:10:18 <vulc4n> then I rebooted and it stopped working
Nov 12 21:10:24 <keny> pfn, what else are you missing, apart from id3 editing?
Nov 12 21:10:36 <vulc4n> id3 editing on a mpobile device is just stupid anyway
Nov 12 21:10:36 <pfn> keny, track rating
Nov 12 21:10:49 <pfn> vulc4n, I listen to my music and manage it purely from the mobile device, almost
Nov 12 21:10:50 <keny> pfn, I would love to see lyrics download, like tunewiki does
Nov 12 21:10:51 <vulc4n> track ratings are useless right now without some way to sync them back, no?
Nov 12 21:10:56 <pfn> keny, yeah, that's awesome
Nov 12 21:11:04 <vulc4n> well
Nov 12 21:11:09 <pfn> vulc4n, I use smart playlists, and someone could easily write something to sync them back
Nov 12 21:11:10 <keny> but for *listening* to music, I think its perfect
Nov 12 21:11:20 <cephalopoid> yeah, I wish there were mp3 players who would work like winamp/audacious with a filemanager next to it
Nov 12 21:11:25 <vulc4n> I might try to rework the media player into something a bit mopre pretty here soon
Nov 12 21:11:29 <pfn> songbird recently added msc device support
Nov 12 21:11:38 <vulc4n> just need to refresh myself n java as I haven't touched it for a few years
Nov 12 21:11:41 <pfn> it shouldn't be hard to add basic rating support via a .txt file or something
Nov 12 21:11:55 <pfn> I think the first thing I'm going to write on android is a port of my password manager to android
Nov 12 21:11:56 <keny> I hate the fact that tunewiki doesnt stop when the headphones get disconnected
Nov 12 21:11:57 <Cptnodegard> songbird is pathetic
Nov 12 21:12:05 <vulc4n> ^^
Nov 12 21:12:18 <pfn> http://www.hanhuy.com/pfn/scurp_password_manager
Nov 12 21:12:32 <pfn> keny, I hate the fact that the device switches to the speaker if a2dp gets disconnected
Nov 12 21:12:35 <pfn> that's even worse
Nov 12 21:12:38 <pfn> I had the volume set to full on my droid
Nov 12 21:12:45 <keny> wow, yeah, that sucks
Nov 12 21:12:47 <pfn> and I walked out of range of the phone
Nov 12 21:12:54 <pfn> (since the headset has its own volume control)
Nov 12 21:13:11 <pfn> I almost made it to the coffee room from my cube before it ran out of range
Nov 12 21:13:14 <keny> does that happen for the standard music player too?
Nov 12 21:13:14 <pfn> probably ~50ft
Nov 12 21:13:19 <pfn> I assume it does
Nov 12 21:13:44 <pfn> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=4180&q=a2dp&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Owner%20Summary%20Stars
Nov 12 21:13:45 <keny> well, what player were you using that time?
Nov 12 21:13:51 <pfn> well, at the time, I was using pandora
Nov 12 21:14:37 <pfn> need to get ready for bike ride, and put a new tire on the front
Nov 12 21:14:44 * pfn needs to call up michelin to see if they'll warranty tires
Nov 12 21:16:11 <jaggz--> what's a good app to demonstrate the g1's gps, tilt, etc?
Nov 12 21:16:19 <lov> you mean all at the same time?
Nov 12 21:16:22 <jaggz--> wikitude is one
Nov 12 21:16:33 <lov> copilot demonstrates the gps :>
Nov 12 21:16:58 <lov> I made a little toy app that demonstrates speech to text and text to speech by listening to what you say and repeating it back to you
Nov 12 21:20:34 <KNY> lov: now put it on two phones and put them mic-to-speaker
Nov 12 21:20:39 <KNY> BOOM!
Nov 12 21:20:48 <nod_> hi - can anyone give a pointer at enumerating external media connected to an android device?  I'm having a hard time finding it
Nov 12 21:21:57 <lov> my coworker mentioned that he managed to get two macs in shouting matches by loading "conan the librarian" on them and putting them next to each other
Nov 12 21:22:06 <jaggz--> neat, lov
Nov 12 21:22:49 <lov> nod_: you mean like sdcards?
Nov 12 21:22:58 <lov> http://d.android.com/reference/android/os/Environment.html
Nov 12 21:23:09 <lov> not sure if it'd handle multiple sdcards
Nov 12 21:30:46 <nod_> lov: archos android tablet.  has sdcard and access to usb stick
Nov 12 21:31:01 <lov> hmm
Nov 12 21:31:34 <lov> archos may have some sort of additional docs or functions you can use for their stuff.
Nov 12 21:32:35 <Cptnodegard> 4.8" of Android powered music player:
Nov 12 21:32:35 <Cptnodegard> [img]http://andreasodegard.com/webpics/archos5a.jpg[/img]
Nov 12 21:32:39 <Cptnodegard> :D
Nov 12 21:32:43 <Cptnodegard> img tag fail
Nov 12 21:32:45 <Cptnodegard> but still
Nov 12 21:32:58 <Cptnodegard> works a lot better after i restored it
Nov 12 21:33:01 <Cptnodegard> less buggy
Nov 12 21:35:48 <newbieblog> hello every1
Nov 12 21:53:05 <tech9iner> mk lads.. here's perfect ie of me bemoaning silly algorithm of cupcake's messaging auto replace feature.. whilst typing 'reflec' seeking end result of 'reflected', wtf?!? would it offer one '''reflectOR'''   before   '''reflectED''' ?.. thats not even alphabetical.. much less logical?
Nov 12 21:53:33 <tech9iner> s c r a t c h   blink blink
Nov 12 21:53:43 <tech9iner> utterly weird..
Nov 12 21:53:49 <tech9iner> note to mention time waster
Nov 12 21:54:23 <tech9iner> -dev channel fodder ?
Nov 12 21:54:58 <tech9iner> perhaps not.. implication is -dev is for apps..
Nov 12 22:03:16 <dkr> the options are offered sorted by popularity?
Nov 12 22:10:30 <monban> maybe easy question (maybe not) what is the intent to open a new, blank sms message?
Nov 12 22:13:27 <MrHorus> monban: first hit on Google...
Nov 12 22:13:52 <monban> MrHorus: okay maybe I'm dense sorry, I didn't find it, I swear I googled :D
Nov 12 22:19:36 <monban> action: android.intent.action.SENTO data: sms:
Nov 12 22:19:40 <monban> yey
Nov 12 22:44:06 <hekman> hey guys - is there any way to remove the emergency call button off the lock screen or make it harder to access at least?
Nov 12 22:44:25 <jasta> uhm, that sounds evil :)
Nov 12 22:44:35 <AakashPatel> haha
Nov 12 22:45:16 <hekman> well - it is very very very easy to accidentally hit :D  coworker just did it by accident, so i imagine that happening a lot with my 2 and 4 y/os.  :)
Nov 12 22:45:32 <hekman> basically i dont like getting the callbacks from 911 :D
Nov 12 22:46:00 <jasta> maybe your 2 and 4 year olds should not be playing with your phone in its normal usable state then?
Nov 12 22:46:06 <jasta> get one of those toddler lock apps or something
Nov 12 22:46:21 <jasta> in other words: i doubt very much that there are settings that greatly affect the ability or ease of dialing 911
Nov 12 22:46:30 <hekman> jasta: do you have kids?  :)
Nov 12 22:47:12 <jasta> do you think that will somehow change my last comment from true to false?
Nov 12 22:48:22 <KNY> jasta++
Nov 12 22:49:00 <hekman> i'm just saying that the default behavior of android makes it too easy to call 911 and small children are very fast
Nov 12 22:49:06 <AakashPatel> hekman, if youre children randomly dial 911...you got some parenting to do
Nov 12 22:49:13 <AakashPatel> :)
Nov 12 22:49:19 <KNY> AakashPatel, spoken like a 15 year old
Nov 12 22:49:27 <AakashPatel> Yep
Nov 12 22:49:34 <AakashPatel> I evne know this :D
Nov 12 22:49:51 <hekman> AakashPatel: there is a GIANT emergency call button on the lock screen
Nov 12 22:50:07 <hekman> even a 30 year old coworker accidentally hit it and called 911 today
Nov 12 22:50:11 <KNY> hekman, in case you missed it: he's 15. Don't listen to a thing he says.
Nov 12 22:50:19 <AakashPatel> KNY, what the feck?
Nov 12 22:50:25 <KNY> especially about raising kids
Nov 12 22:50:25 <hekman> KNY: :D ok
Nov 12 22:50:28 <AakashPatel> hahaha
Nov 12 22:50:33 <hekman> anyway, doesn't sound possible :(
Nov 12 22:50:35 <jasta> hekman: a valid complaint, but no one is going to suddenly say "oh just click here and here and it will go away."
Nov 12 22:50:48 <jasta> so you need to start complaining in the right direction.  try submitting a bug to b.android.com or whatever
Nov 12 22:51:02 <romainguy_> I'm pretty sure we won't make emergency calls harder to place
Nov 12 22:51:03 <KNY> hekman, I'd rather have people accidentally call 911 than have them not be able to in time
Nov 12 22:51:06 <KNY> but that's just me
Nov 12 22:51:17 <hekman> yeah there needs to be a better balance
Nov 12 22:51:23 <hekman> like at least ask for confirmation when you hit the button
Nov 12 22:51:32 <ctate> ==romainguy_
Nov 12 22:51:40 <romainguy_> it's called "emergency dial"
Nov 12 22:51:49 <ctate> there are frequently legal requirements around emergency call capability
Nov 12 22:51:52 <ctate> and accessibility
Nov 12 22:51:54 <jasta> hekman: again, you really aren't focusing your energy in the right way
Nov 12 22:52:02 <jasta> hekman: your complaints are just getting annoying to hear
Nov 12 22:52:20 <hekman> jasta: seems like we are having a good conversation here but you are getting your panties in a wad
Nov 12 22:52:39 <AakashPatel> So I'm right
Nov 12 22:52:42 <AakashPatel> KNY, FUCK YOU
Nov 12 22:52:42 <AakashPatel> :)
Nov 12 22:53:37 <ctate> o _ O
Nov 12 22:53:50 <AakashPatel> LOL looks like that sloth guy on lice age
Nov 12 22:54:00 <AakashPatel> lice age <<---fail
Nov 12 22:54:02 <AakashPatel> ice age*
Nov 12 22:54:10 <zerq> kek
Nov 12 22:54:46 <ctate> mice age
Nov 12 22:54:58 <AakashPatel> haha
Nov 12 22:55:09 <darmster> hello, I just installed sdk 1.6 and  attempted to use the helloWorld example.... but it(my generated code from eclispe) looks different from the code in the book.... Yes I'm a noob... any suggestions?
Nov 12 22:55:11 * ctate . o O ( some say the world will end in fire, some say in ice )
Nov 12 22:55:24 <darmster> or should I just ditch the example
Nov 12 22:55:54 * ctate . o O ( which is http://www.bartleby.com/155/2.html )
Nov 12 22:57:00 <AakashPatel> ooo
Nov 12 22:57:20 <spikebike> which sdk?
Nov 12 22:57:23 <spikebike> oops 1.6
Nov 12 22:57:26 <spikebike> I think that requries 1.5
Nov 12 22:57:49 <darmster> I figured it was an out of date example
Nov 12 22:57:57 <darmster> which sux
Nov 12 22:59:48 <darmster> I guess I'll have to man up... and adjust the code ;)
Nov 12 23:00:19 <hekman> darmster: usually if there's code in a book, its out of date :D
Nov 12 23:00:34 <darmster> lol
Nov 12 23:01:02 <darmster> but since it was online docs you would think...
Nov 12 23:01:10 <hekman> heh
Nov 12 23:02:22 <darmster> I guess I'll shoot an email to someone to update. It's for the movement n all :| :) ;)
Nov 12 23:02:57 * darmster watching cougartown
Nov 12 23:16:12 <piroko> I'm trying to get working with android development in eclipse, but I'm getting the following error when I try to install the android development tools: (com.android.ide.eclipse.adt.feature.group 0.9.4.v200910220141-17704) requires 'org.eclipse.wst.xml.ui 0.0.0' but it could not be found
Nov 12 23:19:51 <darmster> piroko: what platform?
Nov 12 23:20:44 <piroko> darmster: linux
Nov 12 23:21:42 <darmster> sigh.... don't I'm running it on osx
Nov 12 23:21:59 <darmster> so the adt isn't installing?
Nov 12 23:22:59 <darmster> you've followed the instructions correctly for the adt?
Nov 12 23:23:17 <darmster> went into the troubleshooting section
Nov 12 23:23:22 <darmster> etc?
Nov 12 23:27:27 <piroko> darmster: Yeah. I haven't found anything like this error
Nov 12 23:27:44 <darmster> :(
Nov 12 23:27:54 <darmster> load windows on a vm ;)
Nov 12 23:29:03 <piroko> darmster: All I did was install the jdk, eclipse, and then try to install the plugin via help->install new software :/
Nov 12 23:31:33 <darmster> I take it  that you added the url
Nov 12 23:31:36 <darmster> right
Nov 12 23:36:25 <piroko> darmster: Yeah. It showed the development tools as available for download, I clicked the checkbox, hit next and then it failed
Nov 12 23:49:21 <darmster> I see
Nov 12 23:50:13 <darmster> piroko: I'm guess I'd have to try to install it. Do have any vm's
Nov 12 23:50:17 <darmster> running?
Nov 12 23:50:44 <piroko> darmster: Nay. This is a netbook. Running a vm would bring it to its knees :)
Nov 12 23:51:00 <darmster> yeah :D
Nov 12 23:51:09 <darmster> running the avd will also
Nov 12 23:51:12 * RobinB can see the effect of the new droid phones in his app download numbers, they're going up by 10-20% from the previous average :)
Nov 12 23:52:02 <piroko> darmster: Yep :)
Nov 12 23:52:41 <piroko> So, I used adb push to put some files in /sdcard/ringtones, but they don't show up on the phone unless I mount and unmount the sdcard. Is there an alternate way to make android refresh these?
Nov 12 23:54:45 <elmuSS0> install ftp server on your phone
Nov 12 23:54:57 <elmuSS0> then connect to it via ftp client
Nov 12 23:55:28 <elmuSS0> you will be able to copy files there and back without mounting/dismounting sdcard
Nov 12 23:55:32 <elmuSS0> piroko
Nov 12 23:55:55 <piroko> elmuSS0: Yeah, but will the android refresh its knowledge of those directories?
Nov 12 23:56:36 <elmuSS0> ahh i see
Nov 12 23:56:45 <elmuSS0> imisunderstand you
Nov 12 23:56:54 <elmuSS0> i dont have a clue
Nov 12 23:57:04 <pfn> damnit, meridian really screwed up my avrcp
Nov 13 00:34:00 <AtomicSunset> anyone have a moment to help me through a mounting issue with window 7 64bit?
Nov 13 00:38:10 <AtomicSunset> anyways. when i select mount card windows pops up a notification to autoplay, my phone then instantly prepares the card for the phone then my computer tells me to insert disc
Nov 13 00:42:33 <bnovc> AtomicSunset: channel is kind of idle this afternoon. May not find anyone that tried that
Nov 13 00:42:56 <AtomicSunset> im noticing :P
Nov 13 00:43:06 <AtomicSunset> its 8pm where im at lol
Nov 13 00:43:15 <AtomicSunset> but ive had this issue for months now
Nov 13 00:43:35 <AtomicSunset> i just tried formatting my card and now im even more frustrated
Nov 13 00:44:53 <bnovc> after I installed Win7 on one of my computers I've avoided using it because its so screwed up
Nov 13 00:45:28 <AtomicSunset> i would say its a windows issue but i have successfully mounted the card my first time hooking it up
Nov 13 00:45:46 <AtomicSunset> its like the phone refuses to mount to it
Nov 13 00:46:50 <bnovc> i'd still guess its a windows issue
Nov 13 00:47:14 <bnovc> haven't found it on android bugs or any discussion online?
Nov 13 00:47:44 <AtomicSunset> i saw someone with a similar issue on a forum but no one ever resolved it back in 08
Nov 13 00:50:02 <KNY> EugeneKay, look who just joined
Nov 13 01:18:01 <piroko> Anyone here using sipdroid?
Nov 13 01:52:12 <djungelkraem> piroko, there?
Nov 13 01:52:16 <piroko> Yes
Nov 13 01:52:55 <djungelkraem> do you know if i bought a magic second hand ( i dont know if he rooted it), if its dumb to try to root it again
Nov 13 01:53:02 <djungelkraem> could it brick?
Nov 13 01:53:31 <piroko> Why don't you just determine if it's rooted first
Nov 13 01:54:02 <bnovc> you wouldn't brick it by flashing it again, but you may as well check first
Nov 13 01:54:12 <bnovc> (unless you use some weird technique, i guess)
Nov 13 01:54:26 <zinx> yes you would, if you flashed an nbh after the 1.33.2005 hboot was flashed
Nov 13 01:54:36 <zinx> instant brick
Nov 13 01:55:07 <djungelkraem> piroko, how do i determine it?
Nov 13 01:55:36 <piroko> djungelkraem: I assume just fire up a terminal and type 'su'
Nov 13 01:55:48 <piroko> But I'm not sure why you're asking me. I haven't rooted my phone :/
Nov 13 01:56:57 <djungelkraem> bnovc, how? :)
Nov 13 01:59:25 <djungelkraem> bnovc, how do i determine if its rooted?
Nov 13 02:04:33 <humancyborg> does anyone know of any application or hardware solution that allows for video output from a current android phone?
Nov 13 02:05:18 <maennj> anyone here went to android lab in cali ?
Nov 13 02:08:18 <elmuSS0>  i installed MarksTheme and now my browser is always giving me critical error, wtf?
Nov 13 02:16:30 <djungelkraem> zinx, how do i revert it to original firmware then? im on linux so i cant use the RUU
Nov 13 02:17:13 <djungelkraem> if i cant come into recovery - home + power - it isnt rooted? zinx
Nov 13 02:18:13 <elmuSS0> djungelkraem this is not like that
Nov 13 02:18:21 <elmuSS0> go to terminal
Nov 13 02:18:26 <elmuSS0> on your phone
Nov 13 02:18:28 <elmuSS0> anyhow
Nov 13 02:18:35 <elmuSS0> adb or terminal in your phone
Nov 13 02:18:35 <djungelkraem> yes
Nov 13 02:18:39 <elmuSS0> and write "su"
Nov 13 02:18:57 <elmuSS0> if you will get "permission danied" or something like that
Nov 13 02:18:57 <djungelkraem> well what if he ran the flashrec.apk and never flashed a rooted rom?
Nov 13 02:19:03 <elmuSS0> you dont have it
Nov 13 02:19:17 <elmuSS0> sorry, dont know about flashrec
Nov 13 02:19:27 <djungelkraem> ok well then i dont have it
Nov 13 02:19:51 <elmuSS0> i mean, i dont know anything about flashrec
Nov 13 02:32:31 <piroko> Wow. 780p h264 is what the droid records video at O_O
Nov 13 02:34:46 <eljimbo> So Im doing the notepade tutorial, how come my text is comming out in japanese?
Nov 13 02:36:12 <eljimbo> in my AVD i change the local to english, but I dont know how to change the text?
Nov 13 02:38:01 <xavd> settings > Language and Keyboard.
Nov 13 02:38:08 <xavd> disable the japanese IME
Nov 13 02:39:30 <eljimbo> but some text is still in japanese?
Nov 13 02:40:28 <bk> hey hey
Nov 13 02:43:29 <bnovc> OT: do any of you know how to use the translate feature in wave?
Nov 13 02:46:31 <Leeds> maennj: I saw you asking before if anyone had been to the labs days - did anyone answer you?
Nov 13 02:46:43 <djungelkraem> when i pressed "Restore Backup Image" in flashrec.apk it says WORKING, DO NOT INTERRUPT. but its stuck there - nothing happens
Nov 13 02:46:45 <maennj> Leeds: nope
Nov 13 02:46:45 <piroko> eljimbo: You have japanese on your droid?
Nov 13 02:47:18 <Leeds> maennj: guess I'm not going to be flying over to Taipei next week then...
Nov 13 02:47:30 <maennj> Leeds: did you get the invitation ?
Nov 13 02:47:31 <eljimbo> It was enabled on my avd
Nov 13 02:47:37 <eljimbo> not on the actual droid itself
Nov 13 02:47:45 <piroko> Oh sorry
Nov 13 02:47:47 <maennj> Leeds: I got the invitation to New York lab
Nov 13 02:47:51 <piroko> I want japanese on my droid >:(
Nov 13 02:47:54 <Leeds> maennj: didn't get any response at all - but I don't know if anyone has for Taipei... I know a couple of other people who've applied
Nov 13 02:48:22 <Leeds> hah - the response *just* arrived
Nov 13 02:48:33 <maennj> lol
Nov 13 02:48:45 <Leeds> "Please note that this event is designed to help engineers test their Android applications on new Android devices.  It is not an introduction to Android development nor a tutorial session; the goal is to give Android developers an opportunity to confirm that their apps work as intended on devices from around the world."
Nov 13 02:50:28 <maennj> I didn't get that in the email
Nov 13 02:51:10 <maennj> I hope they have tatto, that's what I need
Nov 13 02:51:18 <bnovc> seems like it would be easier to just make emulator images for more devices
Nov 13 02:51:22 <Leeds> yeah, KNY passed me on a copy of the response he got about NY, and it didn't say that either - hopefully they've added it because it was very unclear what the event was for
Nov 13 02:51:43 <Leeds> maennj: if you need to test on a tattoo, a mate of mine here has one - I'm sure he could be persuaded to load something up and report back :)
Nov 13 02:51:46 <ari-free> androlib now says approaching 16k apps. woohoo keep it up
Nov 13 02:52:34 <Leeds> given that I'm looking at US$170 in flights, and a hotel room night or two... it'd be cheaper to just buy a tattoo...
Nov 13 02:52:44 <maennj> lol
Nov 13 02:53:37 <maennj> Leeds:  I tested my app on emulator it works but doesn't look good so I need to see if it looks like good in the device. didn't publish the app yet though
Nov 13 02:53:45 <pimp_c> its an excuse to travel though
Nov 13 02:55:08 <Leeds> pimp_c: yeah, but if I'm going to travel I'd prefer to go for fun with my gf - who can't take time off during the week
Nov 13 02:55:36 <Leeds> anyway, I've been to Taiwan already this year... UK twice... France/Spain/Morocco, Thailand twice, Macau a couple of times, China a few times...
Nov 13 02:55:49 <tmzt> djungelkraem: that's being discussed in -root
Nov 13 02:56:05 <bnovc> Leeds: wow you're busy
Nov 13 02:56:21 <Leeds> bnovc: it's been a very good year for travel :D
Nov 13 02:56:46 <Leeds> should see if I can fit in a trip to Korea, maybe even Japan, soon
Nov 13 02:57:18 <bnovc> is that part of your job?
Nov 13 02:57:26 <khelek> wow, 6k increase in apps in the last week?
Nov 13 02:58:52 <maennj> i'd like to go to japan too :)
Nov 13 02:59:02 <Leeds> nope, just fun
Nov 13 02:59:35 <Leeds> bnovc: remember I live in Hong Kong... China, Thailand and Taiwan are local to me
Nov 13 02:59:36 <ari-free> android is kickin'
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