**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 13 02:59:57 2009 Nov 13 03:00:29 it's kickin, a book reader (nook) has android too Nov 13 03:01:01 It won't be long till someone hack it to tether free internet :) Nov 13 03:01:02 ah! I knew I had to save my money for something ;) Nov 13 03:01:21 yea I'm glad I didn't buy kindle 2, I was so close to buying it Nov 13 03:01:36 we were talking the other night about a dual screen ebook reader. Well, it appears there will be one on android Nov 13 03:01:59 that's nook, it's a dual screen ebook reader Nov 13 03:02:02 besides the google tutorials, you folks have any recommended resources to get into android programming? Nov 13 03:02:10 edge Nov 13 03:02:33 http://www.entourageedge.com/ Nov 13 03:02:47 oh another one already Nov 13 03:02:49 see the google? :) Nov 13 03:02:57 yea :) Nov 13 03:03:14 that's a full android, I guess nook has heavily customized android Nov 13 03:03:33 this mandatory activation thing sucks :( Nov 13 03:03:44 yeah, I'm waiting to hear more details on nook before I try to get someone in the US to buy me one and ship it ;) Nov 13 03:03:45 they claim nook is the first android based ebook reader Nov 13 03:03:55 you can write with e-ink Nov 13 03:04:36 the e-ink display is touch screen ? Nov 13 03:04:45 yup Nov 13 03:05:24 I wonder how would that work, I always thought that e-ink display lags Nov 13 03:05:57 I mean it refreshes slowly Nov 13 03:07:30 this looks like the netbook that makes sense Nov 13 03:07:39 http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/on-oom.html Nov 13 03:08:06 others are like laptops and the question is: where's windows? Nov 13 03:08:29 e-ink can do a few frames per second, which is fast enough for anything but real animation/video Nov 13 03:09:03 but would it respond fast to hand writing ? Nov 13 03:09:24 that doesn't require so much Nov 13 03:09:32 it can be made fast enough Nov 13 03:09:33 stinky palm pilots could Nov 13 03:09:44 palm pilots had LCD, not e-ink Nov 13 03:10:12 true... Nov 13 03:10:15 in Kindle, it takes two seconds to show the menu when you press menu Nov 13 03:10:21 the e-ink I've seen is nowhere near a few frames per second Nov 13 03:10:39 sony is similarly slow Nov 13 03:10:44 but people write slowly Nov 13 03:10:50 sort of Nov 13 03:11:01 100's of pixels a second sounds pretty easy Nov 13 03:11:03 it would take me a lot longer than 2 seconds to draw a menu Nov 13 03:11:16 I said e-ink *can* do a few frames per second - there are videos of people running X on it, for example Nov 13 03:11:37 yeah there's video of e-ink devices doing live video Nov 13 03:11:45 but the ones already shipped are slow as shit Nov 13 03:12:00 oh ok Nov 13 03:12:08 E-paper Input: Wacom® Penabled® Nov 13 03:13:48 yea the input isn't a problem I think, as long as the output doesn't bottleneck Nov 13 03:17:27 nice thing about this is that even if the students all have iPhones, we can get them on android this way :) Nov 13 03:17:32 Leeds: as well as linux framebuffer Nov 13 03:18:35 right Nov 13 03:20:38 it has a video camera. i don't think it has gps though Nov 13 03:25:27 ar will require that soon enough Nov 13 03:26:46 to have internet with your e-ink is great because you can easily look up references Nov 13 03:29:24 and the camera...not so great but you may be able to record lectures and have them while you read Nov 13 03:29:32 thats killer Nov 13 03:30:34 add eink/anato pen Nov 13 03:30:44 well, you already have pen input Nov 13 03:33:25 the e-ink makes it a much better solution than the MS tablet Nov 13 03:33:46 is the ms tablet a solution? Nov 13 03:34:03 a solution in search of a problem! Nov 13 03:34:20 is there 3g integrated, or only wifi ? Nov 13 03:35:51 The enTourage eDGeâ„¢ has built in WiFi® and future support for 3G using an EVDO or HSDPA mobile modem Nov 13 03:36:41 it's not a phone so you use it when you have a table or a lap :) Nov 13 03:37:55 i like the idea of surfing while on the couch Nov 13 03:38:36 maybe you'd like to see this http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/12/apple-tablet-patent-filing Nov 13 03:39:09 iTablet on the horizon :) Nov 13 03:39:34 yeah but like MS, they only think LCD and not e-ink Nov 13 03:40:33 if edge works out, everyone in law school will have one Nov 13 03:49:56 it also means...now I have a million new android app ideas :) Nov 13 04:21:09 list Nov 13 04:35:51 has anyone rooted the sprint's hero? Nov 13 04:36:04 no... see #android-root for more denials Nov 13 04:39:33 hmm it says “Sprint Hero has been rooted! Go get flashrec and have fun! Nov 13 04:40:01 argh, sorry :) Nov 13 04:40:12 thought everyone was just talking about Droids nowadays Nov 13 04:41:20 hmm blackberry has 5 zillion users but only 2000 apps Nov 13 04:42:31 ari-free: yeah, apps aren't a big thing on the blackberry Nov 13 04:42:33 that's not much better than the pre Nov 13 04:42:41 Leeds: thx Nov 13 04:42:54 blackberry is big because of push messages/BES/calendar integration/etc Nov 13 04:43:07 i think Nov 13 04:43:09 ;) Nov 13 04:43:19 i have no idea why the default email client on android doesn't support IMAP IDLE Nov 13 04:43:22 it's stupid Nov 13 04:43:38 i was going to implement it, but K-9 Mail has it, so i use that Nov 13 04:44:34 seems like blackberry is all about software and services and not their OS Nov 13 04:45:42 ari-free: blackberry is easy to manage from a corp standpoint Nov 13 04:45:48 centralized configuration/backup/etc Nov 13 04:45:51 ah Nov 13 04:46:12 lost your phone? remote wipe, allocate a new one that was restored from backups in ~10 minutes Nov 13 04:46:58 ari-free their os gets the job done Nov 13 04:47:01 android needs that Nov 13 04:47:11 That's why it's a corp phone :) Nov 13 04:47:39 yeah but people also need to rbowse the web and have apps Nov 13 04:47:49 motoblur gets it a lot closer with android remote wipe, centralized storage, etc Nov 13 04:49:17 imo, android needs push email (IMAP IDLE or some other method other than exchange), google hosted apps (the corp version) support, and some kind of centralized wipe/backup/recovery system before it can really gain any ground in a corp environment Nov 13 04:49:31 i'm not sure what the options are for paid google apps use right now Nov 13 04:49:58 Yeah I'm sure... but it's awesome for what it's suppose to do Nov 13 04:50:07 a lot of companies, including the one I work for, are unwilling to push email and whatnot though googles servers though Nov 13 04:50:25 i think it's easier for android to close that gap than for bb to develop a good browser Nov 13 04:51:23 ari-free: it's pretty trivial to develop a good browser for blackberry using the standard toolkits, the problem is that they're just getting around to touch screen and their first attempt at it blows (storm) Nov 13 04:52:04 they'll work it out, and they'll be around for a long time. they have a strong product Nov 13 04:52:20 google, apple and opera all have desktop browser experience Nov 13 04:52:59 that really doesn't matter at all Nov 13 04:53:35 it sure does. all of these other browser wannabes stink when it comes to real-world websites Nov 13 04:53:57 especially javascript Nov 13 04:54:01 which is why google used webkit or whatever Nov 13 04:54:09 just played around with the archos android tablet that my friend bought Nov 13 04:54:18 pretty neat except it doesnt have the google apps/market Nov 13 04:54:32 the only real problem is getting the right kind of inputs available on your device, then mapping those to user friendly/intuitive operations Nov 13 04:55:22 blackberry certainly hasn't been focused on their built in browser because nobody was expecting it to be very usable to begin with, iphone/android/webos have obviously changed that Nov 13 04:55:46 what's way to backup the sprint's htc hero? Nov 13 04:55:51 *best Nov 13 04:56:02 so is the droid all hype, or is it actually a solid device? Nov 13 04:56:03 yeah people have higher expectations Nov 13 04:56:06 to be honest, it worked fine for almost every site I ever *needed* to use it on. Nov 13 04:56:09 i find most androids so far have felt like toys Nov 13 04:56:17 rand0m: it's a solid device, so is the cliq Nov 13 04:56:21 solid device Nov 13 04:56:41 pooptix, where do i know you from Nov 13 04:56:44 motorola managed to produce some slick hardware that feels polished, not like a plastic dev model Nov 13 04:56:51 rand0m: how long have you played with them Nov 13 04:56:59 jeev: #chat? Nov 13 04:57:02 Does anyone know how to get the htc hero clock/weather thing on the droid? Nov 13 04:57:03 i think efnet Nov 13 04:57:13 beautiful widgets in the marketplace Nov 13 04:57:14 ah, who knows over there, i'm in a lot of channels Nov 13 04:57:25 they're more like computerz than any phone out now Nov 13 04:57:45 (and have been since 1997 or so) Nov 13 04:57:46 yeah true, thats the one thing i love about my HTC magic Nov 13 04:57:57 but i just hate how it does feel like a dev model phone Nov 13 04:57:57 cheap hardware Nov 13 04:58:13 hehe i haven't been on efnet for a long time, got tired of people like 'oz' and other rogue opers Nov 13 04:58:14 it broke? Nov 13 04:59:04 i only got to handle a droid for a few minutes, I own a Cliq though Nov 13 04:59:19 Cliq is definitely feels solid and looks sturdy Nov 13 04:59:38 apart from smudges, I'd say my Magic looks pretty much as-new after 6 months of real-world use Nov 13 04:59:53 Leeds: same here Nov 13 04:59:56 but it still feels like cheap plastic Nov 13 05:00:05 i dont really like phones that feel like a cheap plastic phone Nov 13 05:00:10 Hello pals Nov 13 05:00:11 no protector on the screen or the case, been chucked around randomly, but not a mark on it - so it may *feel* cheap, but it doesn't behave cheap Nov 13 05:00:15 ive treated mine like fragile glass Nov 13 05:00:17 Rashtop: you sober, mate? Nov 13 05:00:26 Yessur Nov 13 05:00:32 good man Nov 13 05:00:33 yeah i don't care as long as it doesn't break like it's cheap Nov 13 05:00:33 rand0m: really? Nov 13 05:00:36 I can change that if you want? Nov 13 05:01:07 so Nov 13 05:01:07 nah, it is unbecoming of a gentleman to be inebriated at lunchtime Nov 13 05:01:08 Leeds: yeah, if it falls from even ankle height, the backing always pops off and the battery falls out Nov 13 05:01:11 drives me crazy Nov 13 05:01:11 there's a video of someone trying to scratch his Droid with his keys Nov 13 05:01:14 lunchtime?! Nov 13 05:01:17 its 1201am Nov 13 05:01:21 anyone in here know of an MSM6800 chipset driver, by chance? Nov 13 05:01:35 rand0m: a Magic, a MyTouch? mine definitely doesn't feel that bad... do you pop the battery/SD a lot yourself? Nov 13 05:01:44 Rashtop: ITYM 13:04 hours Nov 13 05:01:57 You are from the future Nov 13 05:02:08 http://phandroid.com/2009/11/11/motorola-droid-scratch-test-with-car-keys/ Nov 13 05:02:09 i'm one of the few people actually interested in the andromnia project Nov 13 05:02:26 Leeds: its an HTC Magic.. from Rogers. and nope.. i think ive purposely taken the sd card out like three times before? Nov 13 05:02:45 I like my sprint's hero... the could have been more generous with HW Nov 13 05:02:52 hmm... in the name of experimentation, I just dropped my Magic from maybe a foot up - and yes, the back popped off... I've got a strap on it, which stopped the back going too far, and the battery didn't pop out Nov 13 05:02:53 ari-free, those aren't car keys Nov 13 05:03:02 & saving apps to the sd card Nov 13 05:03:32 does any android save to the sd? Nov 13 05:03:36 i might switch to Telus if they ever get their shit together and fix their HSPA network which is still apparently running like shit... they just got the HTC Hero, and announced yesterday are releasing the Motorola Droid (As The Milestone) in Q1 2010 Nov 13 05:04:08 darmster: no... there are third-party hacks which do it (only on rooted phones) and there are apparently discussions going on about an official solution Nov 13 05:04:15 what new work is the new sony xperian X10 going to? Nov 13 05:04:32 Leeds: I see Nov 13 05:04:49 *what network Nov 13 05:05:15 [511] Card detected ok - rebooting device Nov 13 05:05:19 whoops sorry Nov 13 05:05:28 stupid linux copy/paste Nov 13 05:05:31 SanMehat: making a subtle comment on apps2sd? :) Nov 13 05:05:41 Leeds: nope Nov 13 05:05:48 just a wrong click :) Nov 13 05:07:56 yeah i really have to wait for the apps on SD...but the sony does have a bit more internal memory Nov 13 05:08:06 have to wait for that though Nov 13 05:08:39 the sony device is weighing in @ 1ghz Nov 13 05:08:46 :D Nov 13 05:09:14 the droid is sitting pretty @ 550mhz or 500mhz Nov 13 05:09:35 i've overclocked mine Nov 13 05:09:38 1.25ghzx Nov 13 05:09:47 watercooling it Nov 13 05:10:01 hahaha 1ghz for a phone is nuts Nov 13 05:10:09 my last computer that just died 6 months ago was only 1.6ghz Nov 13 05:10:10 how do you watercool a phone? Nov 13 05:10:23 rand0m: what kind Nov 13 05:10:51 of computer? Nov 13 05:11:27 nice thing about phone cpus is that there's a lot more competition than just amd and intel Nov 13 05:11:31 computer Nov 13 05:12:07 ari-free: you pee on it Nov 13 05:12:26 darmster: it was a laptop... toshiba satellite Celeron 1.6ghz, 512mb ram, 80gb hdd Nov 13 05:12:26 15" display :) Nov 13 05:12:26 oldschool Nov 13 05:12:27 lasted me forever Nov 13 05:12:38 only thing that really died on it was the fan Nov 13 05:12:46 then i got angry and threw it on the floor and it really died Nov 13 05:15:22 So why the hell does the htc hero get such a beautiful amazing interface but the droid doesn't???? Nov 13 05:15:45 rand0m: yeah it sux that you can't replace parts like PC on laptops as easy Nov 13 05:15:46 because htc worked on it Nov 13 05:15:47 :( Nov 13 05:15:50 for a start, because the SenseUI is HTC proprietary Nov 13 05:15:56 Damn Nov 13 05:16:02 It's so gorgeous Nov 13 05:16:25 yeah if droid had it it really would be the iphone killer Nov 13 05:16:33 sense is nice... but after playing with the droid Nov 13 05:16:38 it's opensource...make your own UI Nov 13 05:16:44 it doesn't matter to me Nov 13 05:17:24 it does to iphone users Nov 13 05:17:39 I'm watching the senseUI demo video and my jaw is just dropped Nov 13 05:17:41 who cares about iphone users Nov 13 05:17:44 these iphone guys kill me Nov 13 05:18:02 they're always challenging me Nov 13 05:18:18 yeah? how Nov 13 05:18:25 I would kill for senseUI on the droid Nov 13 05:18:26 app off Nov 13 05:19:02 of course iphone apps are a bit more polished than android so far Nov 13 05:19:06 they have like 3 years over android Nov 13 05:19:23 much more than 3 years Nov 13 05:19:23 it's sooo funny I'll connect to my server and run multple other apps Nov 13 05:19:23 but pretty much any iphone app you can find, you can find an android equivelent Nov 13 05:19:30 they are mac devs Nov 13 05:19:52 that's like saying shapes & colors geniuses Nov 13 05:20:03 he doesn't believe my ssh is running with disconnecting Nov 13 05:20:21 If it weren't for the killer screen and camera on the droid, I'd return the droid and get the eris :/ Nov 13 05:21:08 so we pinged a net work and I ran other apps in the back ground with him still not convinced Nov 13 05:21:09 yeah the iphone devs can take a few lines of code, put a ton of photoshop and it looks amazing Nov 13 05:21:46 piroko: why would you ever do that Nov 13 05:21:53 eris has no keyboard, slower processor Nov 13 05:22:02 TommyBres: Because sense UI seems incredible Nov 13 05:22:09 ...lol, it's really not, i promise Nov 13 05:22:21 it's nice, but not spectacular Nov 13 05:22:25 That's good to know :) Nov 13 05:22:30 Makes me feel a little less envious Nov 13 05:22:37 *sigh* iPhonies... Nov 13 05:22:50 yeah im pretty sure i had senseUI on my HTC Magic when I flashed a particular hero rom at one point Nov 13 05:22:51 well, if you do want to see it in action search youtube, it's just a fresher look and new widgets, *shrug* Nov 13 05:22:55 it's nice, but not absolutely amazing Nov 13 05:22:56 that's what I call iPhone fanboys.. iPhonies Nov 13 05:23:01 rand0m: yeah all hero roms have sense Nov 13 05:23:05 one of the most funny thing the iphone guy said, was a widget on my phone wasn't an app Nov 13 05:23:06 just provides a bit more aesthetic to the phone Nov 13 05:23:19 piroko: trust me when i say, if you have a droid you have by far the best android phone to be released as of yet Nov 13 05:23:25 nothing else compares Nov 13 05:23:27 mytharak: me tooo LOL Nov 13 05:23:34 TommyBres: Sweet :) Nov 13 05:23:38 piroko probably just wants to make it look nicer Nov 13 05:23:47 i call them iPhascists :) Nov 13 05:23:50 as much as android 2.0 added some features, integration, and fixed some bugs.. isn't it still the same UI ? Nov 13 05:23:55 Don't get me wrong, I love my droid. That demo video was just verrrry enticing Nov 13 05:23:57 indeed, and that will come in time, if the droid gets rooted Nov 13 05:24:12 well, my argument is that if apple doesn't like your app they can say no way. with android you can get whatever you want and there's no dark cabal dictating what you can do on your own device (except the providers of course) Nov 13 05:24:13 rand0m: somewhat, the unlock screen is much nicer, the browser is different Nov 13 05:24:29 I'm waiting for html5 support Nov 13 05:24:37 mytharak: well, you could make the argument that jailbreaking an iphone gives you every bit of that advantage as well, so *shrug* Nov 13 05:24:39 the browser seemed like its just been replaced with "steel" Nov 13 05:24:45 i downloaded and have been using the Steel browser for ages Nov 13 05:24:53 lol no, it's the new android browser Nov 13 05:24:57 oh Nov 13 05:25:00 i wasnt a fan of steel tbh Nov 13 05:25:13 sure, you can jailbreak the iPhone... but you shouldn't have to Nov 13 05:25:19 agreed, agreed Nov 13 05:25:25 it really really bothered me when I found out apple doesn't allow competing browsers. Even microsoft allowed firefox on windows Nov 13 05:25:31 you also shouldnt have to root your phone to get more than 256MB for apps, but oh well Nov 13 05:25:39 on thing that makes the iphonie sooo great is att's network. with the simultaneous voice & data Nov 13 05:25:45 ari-free: they didn't have a choice... legal action ftw Nov 13 05:26:04 without the att iphone is just an ipod with some tweaks Nov 13 05:26:07 they always allowed you to dload anything Nov 13 05:26:08 darmster: if you say so... i'm on AT&T's network, it's not nearly as good as verizon's with 3G coverage Nov 13 05:26:49 and in brooklyn it's good, but in manhattan the speeds on at&t's network are dog shit slow Nov 13 05:26:57 on edge i get speed tests of like 25kbps down :\ Nov 13 05:27:10 TommyBres: but does verizon have simultaneous voice & data? Nov 13 05:27:19 I thought only att has that Nov 13 05:27:25 man, i usually hate Sony Ericsson but that XPERIA X10 looks amazing Nov 13 05:27:25 lol not true at all Nov 13 05:27:36 the CDMA technology verizon uses doesn't allow for it, AT&T and T-Mobile use GSM Nov 13 05:27:51 that's edge. the HSPA will own though Nov 13 05:27:52 rand0m: don't want a keyboard? Nov 13 05:27:55 rand0m: if you're okay with no keyboard, it'll surely be amazing Nov 13 05:28:06 * TommyBres high fives spikebike Nov 13 05:28:08 i have an HTC Magic Nov 13 05:28:12 unfortunately t-mobile should be called teen-mobile :/ Nov 13 05:28:16 yeah X10 is sweet Nov 13 05:28:29 the ui looks like a disaster to me Nov 13 05:28:30 the x10 looks to be the closest to a decent cell phone version of my n800 Nov 13 05:28:31 i wonder what network it's going on Nov 13 05:28:43 well considering it's a GSM phone Nov 13 05:28:44 and AT&T should be called WeNeverPickUpAnyGoodHandsetsButIphoneAndWinMo Nov 13 05:28:49 probably AT&T Nov 13 05:29:07 err which one is considered bigger, T-mobile or AT&TÉ Nov 13 05:29:07 ? Nov 13 05:29:11 AT&T by far Nov 13 05:29:15 AT&T by a mile Nov 13 05:29:16 ATT Nov 13 05:29:17 i'm from NYC. everyone loves verizon Nov 13 05:29:19 ya Nov 13 05:29:21 I think so too Nov 13 05:29:26 t-mobile has like 75 markets covered with 3G, AT&T has like 350 Nov 13 05:29:31 although I switched from AT&T to tmobile and didn't notice any worse coverage Nov 13 05:29:37 ari-free: yeah, verizon's great for coverage i just can't stand the cmopany itself Nov 13 05:29:44 yeah but tmo 3g works ;-) Nov 13 05:29:47 why's that, Tommy? Nov 13 05:29:50 I've been with Sprint for less than a month & so far so good Nov 13 05:29:58 yeah verizon won't even stoop to competing with t-mobile Nov 13 05:30:02 spikebike: t-mobile leases AT&T's towers in areas where they don't cover, so you always get good coverage on both networks... doesnt work for 3G though Nov 13 05:30:03 does sprint use verizon towers? Nov 13 05:30:05 for me VZW is too expensive Nov 13 05:30:19 verizon starting to become PIGs Nov 13 05:30:25 vzw's family plan, 700 minutes and data are about equal to tmos Nov 13 05:30:38 sprint plans are awesome! Nov 13 05:30:39 mytharak: when they got the samsung omnia they disabled the GPS chip to any application but VZ Navigator, so even though you had a winmo phone with TomTom, Garmin, etc you couldn't use the GPS for anything but their monthly service Nov 13 05:30:43 Tmo's new price plans look pretty good though Nov 13 05:30:54 mytharak: i won't go into more detail, but google "verizon screws customers" or similar and you'll find plenty of similar stories Nov 13 05:31:28 you can always find someone who complains about something Nov 13 05:31:36 I still have my att phone, might do early signout on the new year. but if the x10 on att..... Nov 13 05:31:39 ari-free: lol... keep thinking that Nov 13 05:31:41 I've always been trying to find out what on a technical level VZW does to disable GPS Nov 13 05:31:50 if you're okay with $10/month for GPS, even though you have a GPS receiver and you can't use it... have fun Nov 13 05:32:05 heh, seems unlikely to happen on android Nov 13 05:32:12 Sprint only charge if you call land lines unlimited data etc Nov 13 05:32:13 and in fact the droid has gps without a monthly fee Nov 13 05:32:29 my point is, the grass always looks greener on the other side Nov 13 05:32:35 spikebike: i was told by someone who knows plenty ( ;) ) that verizon and google butted heads over that exact issue, and google told them to go fuck themselves (in nicer terms) Nov 13 05:32:45 I think they finally realized how lame that is and how it pushes customers away, so I'd expect future devices to allow other GPS apps. That was a pretty poor descision in my mind. Nov 13 05:33:01 man i wouldn't even get a smartphone if i couldnt have 3g Nov 13 05:33:01 that's silly Nov 13 05:33:03 TommyBres: good for google Nov 13 05:33:06 mytharak: read above heh, droid had the same issue because verizon wanted to do it Nov 13 05:33:06 turn by turn even Nov 13 05:33:08 spikebike: agreed. Nov 13 05:33:10 free any mobil unlimited data free us roaming... I'm in heaven Nov 13 05:33:17 alas no root 8-( Nov 13 05:33:31 or close to it Nov 13 05:33:40 guess worst case I could get a n900 Nov 13 05:33:45 just need simultaneous data & voice Nov 13 05:33:45 ari-free: my contract is up in december, i considered going to verizon (i will have no ties to AT&T and an old phone i want to upgrade anyways) Nov 13 05:33:52 yeah... maybe they'll realize that they lose more in the customer that avoid them for that reason than they make selling that measly GPS app, which isn't even the best. Nov 13 05:34:03 so it's not a question of the grass being greener on the other side, i'm choosing not to go to them because of their horrible business and treatment of customers Nov 13 05:34:05 one can only hope Nov 13 05:34:21 then again I've heard good and bad stories about all the big providers Nov 13 05:34:29 true Nov 13 05:34:35 exactly Nov 13 05:34:43 everyone has their horror stories Nov 13 05:34:50 i like t-mobile the most as a company, but their coverage is just too spotty in some areas i visit with regularity Nov 13 05:35:12 ari-free: find me a phone AT&T has disabled a GPS chip on, that's beyond a horror story, it's an abysmal business decision to be greedy for money Nov 13 05:35:46 since the beginning of time, you buy an AT&T Tilt, Tilt 2, Diamond, Touch Pro, whatever... GPS works with any application you can put on the phone Nov 13 05:35:49 symbian had a fair amount of infrastructure for just such things, disabling gps Nov 13 05:35:59 amusingly 3rd party apps allowed using external gps Nov 13 05:36:02 i don't consider symbian a platform in the US hahah :X Nov 13 05:36:15 TommyBres: heh, well at the rate they are shrinking they won't for long Nov 13 05:36:15 lol Nov 13 05:36:27 lost 30% of their market in the last 6 months Nov 13 05:36:31 the main competitors, in my mind (ranked by how much i like them) Nov 13 05:36:40 android, webOS, winmo, osx, bbos Nov 13 05:36:56 too bad for webOS, they were too anal Nov 13 05:37:16 poor webos. I feel bad for it Nov 13 05:37:17 what did psion run? Nov 13 05:37:21 was that symbian? Nov 13 05:37:24 they need the release of a kickass phone and to get their dev community up and going, i just now got an email saying they're accepting early applications for apps to their "market" like thing Nov 13 05:37:28 make up your mind webOS open or not? Nov 13 05:37:31 is that in order? Nov 13 05:37:50 if webOS came out with a phone with similar hardware to the droid, i think it'd own hard Nov 13 05:38:04 nope...still wouldn't get any apps Nov 13 05:38:05 (pre has the same omap3430 chipset, i mean the keyboard/screen/etc) Nov 13 05:38:05 yeah well seems like rather average hardware has killed any excitement about hte palm pre Nov 13 05:38:13 I heard someone say Microsoft should buy Palm... that would be interesting. Nov 13 05:38:13 ari-free: did you read what i just said? Nov 13 05:38:16 they need the release of a kickass phone and to get their dev community up and going, i just now got an email saying they're accepting early applications for apps to their "market" like thing Nov 13 05:38:18 ^^^ Nov 13 05:38:27 doesn't matter Nov 13 05:38:28 yeah Nov 13 05:38:28 darmster: and kill them off like danger? Nov 13 05:38:32 * TommyBres facepalms Nov 13 05:38:34 nobody wants to do html apps Nov 13 05:38:40 yeah Nov 13 05:38:41 you know how iphone apps started? Nov 13 05:38:45 WebApps, HTML Nov 13 05:38:47 so suck it. Nov 13 05:38:55 I think the issue is not just that but the lack of users Nov 13 05:39:01 android didn't start that way Nov 13 05:39:04 developers aren't going to get involved without users Nov 13 05:39:05 vulc4n: that's why they need the kickass phone Nov 13 05:39:10 ari-free: and iphone is still owning android... Nov 13 05:39:25 heh, so far, android's just getting started Nov 13 05:39:26 and will continue to do so for some time Nov 13 05:39:31 iphone rulez Nov 13 05:39:34 Android nees another year in the oven Nov 13 05:39:36 for now Nov 13 05:39:37 vulc4n: they've had more official dev support from corporations than android has had Nov 13 05:39:39 needs* Nov 13 05:39:39 srsly though, iphone is not beating android for any practical reason Nov 13 05:39:53 rand0m: bs Nov 13 05:39:54 prob will for a loooong time Nov 13 05:39:54 it`s just that every 50 year-old woman and her aunt want an iphone cuz they look so nice Nov 13 05:40:01 have you actually /used/ an iphone? Nov 13 05:40:07 and because there's a zillion apps, that all look great Nov 13 05:40:08 rand0m: exactly Nov 13 05:40:14 look at how polished iPhone apps/games look compared to android, come on Nov 13 05:40:16 and every iphone whore Nov 13 05:40:22 the iPhone is a solid device that is both powerful and easy to use Nov 13 05:40:25 i work for a wireless provider in canada, and srsly, the idiot people who end up asking for the iphone when they should be getting an old nokia flip phone from 2004 Nov 13 05:40:27 i think my hero looks way better than the iphone Nov 13 05:40:31 you find me a great looking android game, i'll find you 20 for iphone that look better Nov 13 05:40:32 android is a lot of things bu easy to use doesn't come to mind Nov 13 05:40:43 true Nov 13 05:40:48 that`s one thing i never see myself doing on a phone Nov 13 05:40:50 playing games Nov 13 05:40:52 i think it's solid, and garbage @ the same time Nov 13 05:40:53 so doesnt matter to me Nov 13 05:40:53 lol my friend at school has a g1, she didn't know how to uninstall an app Nov 13 05:41:05 its solid physically, but overall gimmicky Nov 13 05:41:05 yeah Nov 13 05:41:09 and i was like, wait seriously? then i realized, going into settings and manage applications to do it is amazingly clunky Nov 13 05:41:11 TommyBres: heh, well compare today's android to iphone 2 years ago Nov 13 05:41:14 android is catching on, the advertisement from verizon is doing wonders for them, tmobile didnt' do a good job of advertising Nov 13 05:41:17 we don't think anything of it... but shit Nov 13 05:41:18 rand0m: if you know how to use it its not gimicky at all Nov 13 05:41:23 it's an ipod Nov 13 05:41:24 well you're not going to get games with html Nov 13 05:41:26 an unlocked iPhone is very powerful Nov 13 05:41:27 boast simplicity of use but thats because you can only play games, do simple browsing, and check ur email on it Nov 13 05:41:27 something apple is very good at Nov 13 05:41:34 nelson8403_: to be honest tmo didn't have much to brag about, especially at launch Nov 13 05:41:40 and yeah Nov 13 05:41:40 ari-free: what i'm saying is webOS will completely revamp their dev platform Nov 13 05:41:47 Verizons advertising is doing really well Nov 13 05:41:50 no cyanogen, no good apps, no google voice, no visual voice mail, etc. Nov 13 05:41:52 just like iPhone did after what, a year tops? Nov 13 05:41:53 iphone started out with html? but it really started out with mac Nov 13 05:41:55 hahah a hilariosu thing happened the other day Nov 13 05:42:00 no google voice? eh? Nov 13 05:42:01 my dad wants to switch his cell phone Nov 13 05:42:08 there's google voice for everything Nov 13 05:42:08 vulc4n: i did iphone tech support for rogers for a year when the 3g was first released - and its pretty much a smartphone for dummies Nov 13 05:42:10 TommyBres: not at announce Nov 13 05:42:16 spikebike: right, but android could have had more support in the begining, prompting more people to pick them up earlier, rather than a year later Nov 13 05:42:18 I said something aobut at&t and he was like "wait, isn't that the one that has no coverage anywhere?" Nov 13 05:42:24 iphone is coming out on verizon's network in sept 2010 Nov 13 05:42:26 it was just a bridge. html seems to be webos entire approach for the forseeable future Nov 13 05:42:29 obviously he saw the verizon comercial :D Nov 13 05:42:42 darmster: haha and yeah apparently att is trying to sue verizon over those commercials too Nov 13 05:42:42 nelson8403_: there wasn't anything to brag about then except *gasp* nice browser, and nice maps (no turn by turn) Nov 13 05:42:43 :| Nov 13 05:42:50 alright guys it's been fun, but i have to go to bed Nov 13 05:42:54 ;D Nov 13 05:43:05 la8er TommyBres Nov 13 05:43:08 spikebike: well it was a nice phone, running a new OS. Nov 13 05:43:11 it's only recently that you get google voice, apps from visa, bank of america, 3 apps to manage to netflix queue, buxford, etc. Nov 13 05:43:20 bbc, ted talks, etc. etc. etc. Nov 13 05:43:25 spikebike: except the visa app doesn't work Nov 13 05:43:29 I think Palm will do fine once it has more devices Nov 13 05:43:34 for android you mean? Nov 13 05:43:36 the Pixi would do well on Verizon Nov 13 05:43:59 I went into the apple store yesterday and asked them if their apple ipod sock cases would fit my phone. They asked me what kind of phone I had so I pulled out the droid and they just looked at me like I had two heads. hahahaha Nov 13 05:43:59 apple said that googleVoice might disrupt the iphone experience Nov 13 05:44:04 the other problem for palm: its history Nov 13 05:44:04 there's a reasonable selection recently, useful widgets that mostly behave as you expect, like say the weather channel app Nov 13 05:44:08 palm will screw up again.. and this time go under for good.. Nov 13 05:44:16 IMO the g1 at launch was really for developers, not end users Nov 13 05:44:20 droid is for end users ;-) Nov 13 05:44:28 droid is for HACKERS Nov 13 05:44:30 the g1 at launch was inexcusable, should never have been sold for money Nov 13 05:44:30 yeah I think palm will srew up again Nov 13 05:44:33 just kept dragging for its survival. Apple and google: hot Nov 13 05:44:39 it was missing the most basic functions every phone has Nov 13 05:44:44 thank god for root, I would have ditched my g1 already Nov 13 05:44:50 maybe they should also roll out some android phone too Nov 13 05:44:50 i like all their new ones, minus the tattoo Nov 13 05:44:51 I'm having trouble with my layout, i'm tring to make a layout with a Button on the bottom and a ListView that fills the rest of the screen. Can anyone help point me in the right direction? Nov 13 05:44:53 GAH anyways i really have to go to bed this time, NIGHT. Nov 13 05:44:54 without apps2sd the g1 is just too storage limited to be useful Nov 13 05:45:22 I know I complained about this yesterday, but am I the only one that has found the lag on the droid extremely anoying? Nov 13 05:45:51 the droid has laag? Nov 13 05:45:54 vulc4n: when is the lag? Only in the gui? Or inside apps as well? Nov 13 05:46:09 how bad? how many apps? Nov 13 05:46:23 i had two droids, the first one was very fast hardly and lag, the second one has lag like hell. Nov 13 05:46:35 dazoe: wtf Nov 13 05:46:40 i know. Nov 13 05:46:42 maybe it's temperature limited Nov 13 05:46:49 why did you return the first one? Nov 13 05:46:53 on a fresh boot with the stock apps, I see very very noticeable lag on the home screen and notification tray Nov 13 05:47:00 the notification tray is the worst Nov 13 05:47:01 Yeah, it lags Nov 13 05:47:11 Probably due to the ridiculously hi-res screen Nov 13 05:47:12 to test if the camera auto focus issue was hardware or software Nov 13 05:47:16 when I have 3 items in there it jitters like a mofo when I'm trying to slide it open Nov 13 05:47:28 I've come to the conclusion that the camera issue is all software Nov 13 05:47:29 but what about inside an app? Nov 13 05:47:36 inside apps it seems fine Nov 13 05:47:39 Inside apps I've had no problems Nov 13 05:47:43 some scrolling issues Nov 13 05:47:44 vulc4n: This is promising news Nov 13 05:47:48 ah, good enough, I suspect the home/notifcation tray will be fixed Nov 13 05:47:54 I seriously hope so Nov 13 05:47:58 it can't come soon enough Nov 13 05:48:02 I hate gratituous alpha blend Nov 13 05:48:09 just wait till it gets rooted haha Nov 13 05:48:10 why make it 5% transparent when it's 10x slower Nov 13 05:48:11 vulc4n: my first droid got an autofocus lock about 1 in 50, my second is about 1 in 5 Nov 13 05:48:37 hey look that smooth grey background has a barely detectable icon behind it.. WOOHOO!!! Nov 13 05:48:37 dazoe: hmm. thats funny because I just described my droid as getting focus about 1 in 50 times to someone Nov 13 05:48:42 so maybe I need to exchange mine Nov 13 05:48:51 I dbout they will do it for me, though Nov 13 05:48:55 how did you get them to do it? Nov 13 05:49:08 what's a goooood task manager????? Nov 13 05:49:14 darmster: don't use one Nov 13 05:49:21 really Nov 13 05:49:24 let the OS manage it like it was designed Nov 13 05:49:25 yes really Nov 13 05:49:38 vulc4n: by talking to the dumbest person there when there was a line about 5 people long Nov 13 05:49:40 I have an hero sprint Nov 13 05:50:00 it get's bottle neck @ times Nov 13 05:50:09 but overall it's cool Nov 13 05:50:14 90% of the time Nov 13 05:50:24 dazoe: after they put out that bulletin I don't see me getting a replacement for that Nov 13 05:50:35 i have a sprint hero too, it doesn't seem to bottle neck too often Nov 13 05:50:37 you absolutely see a difference with your replacement, though? Nov 13 05:51:01 probably memory allocation Nov 13 05:51:02 vulc4n: it's not a huge but it is a difference. Nov 13 05:51:06 hmm Nov 13 05:51:16 oh, and the autofocus when it gets a " Nov 13 05:51:23 the most anoying thing is that I see the image go into focus Nov 13 05:51:26 lock" it's not really in focus Nov 13 05:51:26 and then i just keeps going Nov 13 05:51:31 I'm thinking about exchanging mine b4 my 30days is up. Nov 13 05:51:39 but it's close Nov 13 05:51:44 yeah Nov 13 05:51:51 darmster: i already exchanged mine.. for the BT issue and Text issues (before these were rooted) Nov 13 05:51:53 i think it's all software Nov 13 05:52:22 btw, wtf is up with the ShopSavvy UI? Nov 13 05:52:34 its like they took all the Android UI conventions and thew them out the window Nov 13 05:52:36 nelson8403_ BT issue? Nov 13 05:53:50 I wonder how long it will be before the droid gets rooted Nov 13 05:54:11 I feel like with all the interest it might happen very quickly Nov 13 05:54:39 obviously they designed it so it wouldn't be very easy Nov 13 05:54:50 yeah Nov 13 05:55:04 darmster: yeah the bluetooth would sit at connecting.. and then my phone wouldn't actually connect.. if i turned it off it would basically memory leak Nov 13 05:55:08 I wonder how they got the source to the droid's navigation software Nov 13 05:55:24 darmster: it's a known issue.. and that caused my texts to stop working.. and i wouldn't receive phone calls.. Nov 13 05:55:27 yeah but you have to realize all it takes are a couple talented people with the drive to do it Nov 13 05:55:37 spikebike which one Nov 13 05:55:40 but yeah android's reasonably well designed, it won't necessarily be easy Nov 13 05:55:41 with the interest in the droid there are probably a lot more than there were for any other android device Nov 13 05:55:53 oh yeah Nov 13 05:55:55 thus we can infer it should happen quicker than with other android devices Nov 13 05:56:02 spikebike: they didnt get the source to it.. they just figured out what it looked for to be installed.. hence the editing the build props Nov 13 05:56:08 nelson8403_: yeah i read about those issues, I must have a better model Nov 13 05:56:16 nelson8403_: but how did they get the .apk? Nov 13 05:56:25 it's not readable without root Nov 13 05:56:29 spikebike: from the droid.. Nov 13 05:56:40 but, I think I'll hit up sprint asap to replace this one. Nov 13 05:56:42 I've been having preey major issues when transfering data to the Droid over USB Nov 13 05:56:49 spikebike: yes it is, you can do a adb pull /system/app and you get everything Nov 13 05:56:51 I think I might try getting it replaced for that Nov 13 05:57:03 basically I'll be transfering files and it will just lock up Nov 13 05:57:11 nelson8403_: I thought that required a dev phone/root Nov 13 05:57:11 darmster: do you have a "with google" on the back? Nov 13 05:57:23 nelson8403_: isn't that how the copy proction works? Nov 13 05:57:24 nelson8403_: no Nov 13 05:57:32 spikebike: nah, you can't write to the file system, but you can pull everything.. they have system dumps of the droid, just not the kernel Nov 13 05:57:46 protection Nov 13 05:57:58 darmster: the new one i got is the "with google" and it hasn't had nearly as many issues.. the message app still gives trouble, but i just use handcent Nov 13 05:58:19 spikebike: copy protection means you can't edit the files, the system is read-only, but you can pull the files off Nov 13 05:58:39 or I guess their copy protection.. it can mean a lot of different things Nov 13 05:58:42 oh, so the hard thing is installing the protected files Nov 13 05:58:49 gotcha Nov 13 05:58:59 nelson8403_: I was wondering why it didn't have it on the back! Now I'm definitely replacing it :D Nov 13 05:59:18 spikebike: yeah getting root lets you edit the files, remount as a read-write, but as a regular shell user you can read it Nov 13 05:59:33 darmster: yeah i guess the first batch was all without the "with google" and the newer ones all have that Nov 13 05:59:48 good to know Nov 13 06:00:41 where are the apk files stored on the droid when you get them from the market? Nov 13 06:00:54 darmster: go to settings >> about phone >> status, and whats your PRI ? Nov 13 06:01:06 and does your show EvDo Rev. 0 or Rev. A? Nov 13 06:01:36 http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-11-2009/091112-palm-webos.html seems palm is still serious about the html/javascript stuff Nov 13 06:01:51 sad Nov 13 06:01:51 nelson8403_: PRI 1.68_--3 Nov 13 06:01:58 *003 Nov 13 06:02:08 the whole advantage of a local app is because it's not html/javascript Nov 13 06:02:08 yeah mine is 1.70_003 Nov 13 06:02:28 at first i thought they'd do it like apple. But it is now Nov 2009 Nov 13 06:02:39 give it up already Nov 13 06:02:43 ari-free: I hope they change their tune by nmid next year Nov 13 06:02:55 or they are done Nov 13 06:03:06 and I really like palm and webos Nov 13 06:03:07 when I try to update my AVD to 2.0 it tries to connect and gives me an error Nov 13 06:03:14 yeah it really looks like this is it Nov 13 06:03:50 i Nov 13 06:03:55 Whoops Nov 13 06:03:57 nelson8403_: yeah, I THERE tomorrow! Nov 13 06:04:16 Who is in here on their droid right now? Nov 13 06:04:42 you could say the pre has bad hardware but that didn't stop the g1 Nov 13 06:04:43 Mine is downstairs sorry Nov 13 06:04:53 it got apps Nov 13 06:04:57 ari-free: true Nov 13 06:05:05 cbeust: blasphemy! Nov 13 06:05:17 Hey it has to recharge sometimes Nov 13 06:05:29 the pre isn't a fun as the android software Nov 13 06:05:38 Mine is charging as I use it Nov 13 06:05:48 I can't use mine while it's charging Nov 13 06:05:51 I like it's non cable charger Nov 13 06:05:53 as ballmer said: developers developers developers Nov 13 06:06:00 ari-free: Nov 13 06:06:01 lol Nov 13 06:06:10 I love his dance! Nov 13 06:06:17 hehe Nov 13 06:06:23 the monkey dance Nov 13 06:07:03 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4860483760049380308# Nov 13 06:07:06 I got droidsip + gizmo5 + gvoice working today over wifi. It was epic Nov 13 06:07:12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc Nov 13 06:07:46 piroko: nice Nov 13 06:08:26 cbeust: Yeah. Didn't expect it to work so well Nov 13 06:08:26 even more sweat http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6304687408656696643# Nov 13 06:08:37 cbeust, seems like quite the number of people complaining about the freeze/force close in messaging Nov 13 06:08:54 jeev: ah? Do you have an issue filed? Nov 13 06:08:55 What is this issue? Nov 13 06:08:59 yea, there are a couple Nov 13 06:09:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE&feature=fvw Nov 13 06:09:25 http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=4750&sort=-id&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Owner%20Summary%20Stars Nov 13 06:09:36 http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=4741&sort=-id&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Owner%20Summary%20Stars Nov 13 06:09:38 those are two of them Nov 13 06:10:07 Thanks, I'll ping the Talk team Nov 13 06:10:20 :) Nov 13 06:12:04 cbeust, do you know how i could stop the contacts from going into gmail? Nov 13 06:12:05 was it sync? Nov 13 06:12:09 "automatic sync" ? Nov 13 06:12:15 woo xkcd Nov 13 06:12:23 yeah nice xkcd :) Nov 13 06:13:13 has anyone had probs updating their avd to 2.0? Nov 13 06:13:33 avd? Nov 13 06:13:46 android virtual device Nov 13 06:13:50 ah Nov 13 06:14:11 jeev: can you be more specific? Nov 13 06:14:50 * darmster listening to developers developers developers again ;) Nov 13 06:15:23 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE&feature=fvw Nov 13 06:15:24 steve balmer? Nov 13 06:15:40 yup remixx Nov 13 06:15:55 can't... read... alttext... on... droid... Nov 13 06:16:07 haha you're right piroko Nov 13 06:16:12 Kinda ruins xkcd :) Nov 13 06:17:13 cbeust, i just wanna prevent my stuff from being sent to google Nov 13 06:17:31 :) It was worth it to see on the laptop Nov 13 06:19:30 I need to grab a second monitor Nov 13 06:19:49 life is hard with one screen Nov 13 06:20:54 bed time. Night all Nov 13 06:21:05 piroko: laterz Nov 13 06:25:06 brb gotz to leave strbucks & gotz to get food. ;) Nov 13 06:25:42 hmmm Nov 13 06:25:51 anyone kno what happened to Compare Everywhere? Nov 13 06:26:15 maybe I'll put my 500gb drive n my macbook tonight :) Nov 13 06:30:12 geez, I'm getting about 30 pieces of email a day related to droid Nov 13 06:39:11 kroot: are you a developer or something? Nov 13 06:40:40 vulc4n: Yes, mainly stuff about ConnectBot Nov 13 06:40:53 ah Nov 13 06:41:09 I guess thats more evidence that shows the Droid has been a succes for android Nov 13 06:41:59 ooh, ConnectBot... Nov 13 06:41:59 * BigRedPimp downloads Nov 13 06:44:21 BigRedPimp: what has your experience been with lag on the home screen and notification tray? Nov 13 06:45:20 haven't noticed it much but then again, I'm coming from a Voyager. Droid is lightning fast compared to that UI. :P Nov 13 06:45:26 haha okay Nov 13 06:45:48 I went into the verizon store yesterday and was shocked at how much more fluid and responsive the Eris was Nov 13 06:46:33 Where can I get an Android for development? Nov 13 06:46:37 i'm saying...it's the software Nov 13 06:47:10 ari-free: or it could just be the fact the home screen isn't really gpu accelerated and the droid has 5x more pixels tan previosu devices Nov 13 06:47:32 they might need to bake in gpu acceleration to get it to work liek it should, which we probably won't see in 2.x Nov 13 06:47:39 do you think htc used hw accel? Nov 13 06:47:41 but hopefully they can get it working better Nov 13 06:47:45 no Nov 13 06:48:01 but 854x480 equates to five times more pixels Nov 13 06:48:15 true. but sense is a fancier ui Nov 13 06:48:29 it looks fancier but I doubt its really much more intensive Nov 13 06:48:45 the widgets, sure, but the UI itself is nothing crazy Nov 13 06:48:46 all those transitions Nov 13 06:51:43 I'd love to find a google or motorola engineer to find out the specifics Nov 13 06:52:42 how about playing a video Nov 13 06:53:22 if you are right then video should play slower because more pixels Nov 13 06:54:25 I'm really not liking layouts Nov 13 06:57:55 for winmo http://silvermoon.codeplex.com/ Nov 13 06:58:11 Silvermoon uses OpenGL as rendering engine, and thus enables rich animations and transitions. Nov 13 07:02:21 hey all Nov 13 07:02:36 The GPS in these phones... it is a true GPS that talks to the geosynchronous satellites or is just using triangulation via cell towers? Nov 13 07:04:22 loquitus: please stop asking the same question in both channels Nov 13 07:04:37 Ok Nov 13 07:18:35 http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/536.jpg Nov 13 07:19:23 lmao Nov 13 07:32:44 great now everything is digital these days Nov 13 07:37:29 hm, usb tethering and using adb at the same time isn't possible, is it? Nov 13 07:39:07 not if you're using pdanet Nov 13 07:39:33 ive never been able to tethering otherwise because my kernel doesnt have netfilter/iptables support and im too much of a douche to figure it out Nov 13 07:42:31 hi guys. I just got a new HTC hero, and I'm trying to import, sync & manage my contacts Nov 13 07:42:50 tring to import 7 sync my android & facebook contacts, numbers & avatars Nov 13 07:43:08 I use an ubuntu system Nov 13 07:43:11 any ideas? Nov 13 07:43:15 please? Nov 13 07:43:27 I recommend putting all your contacts into google/gmail Nov 13 07:43:43 doesn't the Hero sync with facebook automatically anyway? Nov 13 07:43:44 you can export to a csv file from most systems/backup sites Nov 13 07:44:11 well, that's ideally what I'd like to do (use my google accounts as the "master"), but I don't know how to import the data from my facebook account Nov 13 07:44:18 I'm not sure. I haven't messed with it. Doesn't that run the HTC sense? I thought it was Motoblur that had the facebook integration. Nov 13 07:44:51 hero allos for connecting to FB, but does not automatically do the sync. think it may be a feature in the new OS Nov 13 07:45:08 *allows* Nov 13 07:45:12 I dunno... http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=hero+facebook+sync&aq=f&aqi=g1g-m1&oq=&fp=1c443ffcb5a5cce1 Nov 13 07:45:43 I think there's an app for that Nov 13 07:47:22 there seems to be quite a bit of discussion on the subject, but nothing definetive. found an app that sems to address the need, but it's a windows app. going to try to run it in wine Nov 13 07:47:35 ick... wine Nov 13 07:48:01 yea Nov 13 07:48:20 would prefer to avoid that route, but if I have no alternative.... Nov 13 07:48:52 interesting search result: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/gmail/thread?tid=058dc912c433f1b8&hl=en Nov 13 07:49:00 seeing that FB & google are both online services, I was hoping that there was some online resource to address it Nov 13 07:49:25 looks interresting... Nov 13 07:49:26 thnx Nov 13 07:50:04 maybe. it seems like the trend in upcoming software will be to integrate social networks into the OS... I haven't seen anything other than motoblur (moto cliq etc) that does it Nov 13 07:52:04 sux. I'm contemplating upgrading the hanset to the v.2 firmware, but that's an entire different kettle of fih Nov 13 07:52:07 *fish* Nov 13 07:52:26 still ned to root the handset too, but doing a bit of research first Nov 13 07:52:33 oh great.. the ADC II app is really bugged (or maybe it's in somewhere in the core Android) - I launced an app that's in landscape and when I returned from it, ADC II is also in landscape and up/down scrolling works by swiping left/rigt and the buttons are not clickable anymore etc.... Nov 13 07:54:33 this looked the most promising: http://brad.livejournal.com/2398409.html Nov 13 07:54:52 but having a bit of trouble with it Nov 13 07:54:58 the guys in #android-root seem a little quiet, so I'll post my newbie question here... for the purposes of updating/rooting do I really need any of the fancy SPLs or any SPL that supports fastboot will do ? Nov 13 07:55:03 script is loaded in SM Nov 13 07:55:25 reason why I am asking is I got my phone to 1.33.2005 without problems, but then when i tried to install the Haykuro SPL it bricked Nov 13 07:55:41 You need a non-stock bootloader Nov 13 07:55:47 I recommend the cyanogenmod one Nov 13 07:55:56 <[mbm]> is there an ndk for 2.0? Nov 13 07:56:05 Any rom that "requires" a fancy SPL is to be avoided Nov 13 07:56:18 (Because the person who made it doesn't know how to make a quality product) Nov 13 07:56:20 well, I am not saying "requires" Nov 13 07:56:44 basically I am saying is I can do everything required to boot/install any rom as long as my SPL supports fastboot, right ? Nov 13 07:56:46 or wrong ? Nov 13 07:56:56 I've never seen a SPL that doesn't do fastboot. Nov 13 07:57:16 1.33.0010 doesn't ;) Nov 13 07:59:00 How can you know if the SPL will do fastboot? Nov 13 08:00:24 try to boot to it Nov 13 08:05:34 Bah, why is cyrket.com always dead? Nov 13 08:07:02 any word on eclair source release? Nov 13 08:10:41 Foxdie: it's properly dead, at least temporarily Nov 13 08:10:58 TimRiker: latest word was along the lines of "jbq is working on it, resumes are welcome from people who want to help" Nov 13 08:11:58 le boo Nov 13 08:12:08 Shame as it was handy Nov 13 08:12:12 Oh well, thanks leeds mate Nov 13 08:12:45 hey all Nov 13 08:13:02 Foxdie: it was just using the same interface as the market app on the phones, and it was doing enough queries that it was throttled Nov 13 08:13:44 Leeds: heh. I'd help if I could. Perhaps I could work for Google for a couple days? :) Nov 13 08:13:49 It was so useful because it meant I could just search with my laptop whats on the marketplace without having to turn my phone on, type in the unlock code, fire up the app, wait for it to load, type in what I was searching for etc :) Nov 13 08:14:16 there's also androlib.com - it works, but it's a bit laggy, and a bit garish Nov 13 08:14:37 TimRiker: I'm not quite sure if that "resumes are welcome" would apply in quite the same way to you ;) Nov 13 08:15:23 is there an official word from google on other things that look at the android market? the terms talk about using the official interface, but don't say what that official interface is. Nov 13 08:16:01 anyone know when mozilla is releasing their browser fpor android? Nov 13 08:16:11 Leeds: heh. probably not, but I guess I'll ask jbq anyway. :) Nov 13 08:16:42 I'm pretty sure there's been no official word, although I think there may have been one or two unofficial words in particular people's ears... they can cut off third-party sites quite easily, I reckon, so there must be a conscious decision not to Nov 13 08:16:52 hopefully there'll be a real end-user Market site at some point... Nov 13 08:16:56 any idea how i can ghet my archos a5 to not zoom wallpaper? Nov 13 08:17:38 http://www.phonewreck.com/2009/11/12/motorola-droid-teardown-analysis/ Nov 13 08:18:18 I'm kinda glad I'm not working on Android - they're gaining about 2 new issues per hour to b.android.com after Droid was launched :) Nov 13 08:18:29 hmm Nov 13 08:18:41 TimRiker: got any spare vphones lying around then? ;) Nov 13 08:18:47 Gaz`: did you get an email today? Nov 13 08:18:51 yes Nov 13 08:19:06 grand hyatt eh! Nov 13 08:19:10 google splashing out Nov 13 08:19:12 Leeds: not yet, but soon. well, perhaps not "spare", but at least available. :) Nov 13 08:19:27 Gaz`: doesn't look like I'll be there Nov 13 08:19:32 why? Nov 13 08:19:33 TimRiker: boo, you're no fun Nov 13 08:19:34 no email? Nov 13 08:20:08 god my head feels like lead i think im actually ill Nov 13 08:20:18 oh, got the email... just not sure it's worth a couple of hundred quid to be there for the day - I don't have lots of revenue-generating games (or other apps) to test, and I can put the cash towards just buying another phone in the new year Nov 13 08:20:27 yeh Nov 13 08:20:31 fair pooint Nov 13 08:20:36 id def not go if it wasnt just down the road Nov 13 08:20:44 !sb part #android Nov 13 08:21:01 if it was a more tutorial/seminarish thing, I'd be more likely to make the effort, but they're making it clear it's just a lab day Nov 13 08:21:06 Leeds: heh. I'll be looking for folks to work on some of the things I'd like to include, like apps2sd, superuser, tethering UI (we will support usb, bluetooth, and WiFi AP modes), fastboot, updated recovery image, boot from sd, etc. Nov 13 08:21:16 yes, that seems pretty clear Nov 13 08:21:26 im interested in that side more than anythign else tho Nov 13 08:21:39 TimRiker: okay, that is pretty sweet :) is there a GSM version (announced)? Nov 13 08:22:13 Leeds: no GSM announcement, yet. Nov 13 08:22:26 boo, etc. Nov 13 08:22:54 Leeds you could stay here for free but its just a sofa etc, no spare room Nov 13 08:22:58 yeah, I hear ya. sorry, got so many other things going on. stay tuned though. Nov 13 08:23:10 if you had breasts id let you sleep in my bed while i used the floor :) Nov 13 08:23:14 or sofa Nov 13 08:23:15 ehe Nov 13 08:23:17 boort from sd would be amazing as.would Su Nov 13 08:23:33 shuggans: I agree. :) Nov 13 08:23:58 yeah, understandable Nov 13 08:24:11 Gaz`: thanks... will consider it over the weekend, look at flights, maybe Nov 13 08:24:35 yeh liontravel.com.tw were cheap for me Nov 13 08:24:48 DO it Tim! :D Nov 13 08:25:04 they're not going to get it much below HK$1000 for the flights including tax/fees/etc. I think Nov 13 08:25:57 HK is an expensive airport to fly in and out of Nov 13 08:26:44 * TimRiker notices that one of the VPhone videos was shot on a phone that had a misprinted keyboard. two /? keys. ah well. Nov 13 08:27:18 night all, have fun androiding! :) Nov 13 08:28:08 * TimRiker encourages people to ask google when the VPhone will have google apps on it. Nov 13 08:28:14 i know ive used ot over 35 times :) Nov 13 08:28:20 its been my home for atleast 9 days Nov 13 08:28:31 i know every nook and crevis of HKIA Nov 13 08:28:33 has there been any news on 2.0 for the g1? Nov 13 08:28:58 where to sleep outside, where to sleep inside where to go when you got to kill 25 hrs hehe Nov 13 08:29:12 even slept in he preyer room, the baby changing room and a toilet cubicle! Nov 13 08:29:32 Gaz`: eek. too much information. :) Nov 13 08:29:36 lol Nov 13 08:29:42 yeah... I've got a sofabed, I think I could probably trust you on it, and the airport bus isn't that expensive, really Nov 13 08:29:53 well its amazing what youll do to save money, hk is pricey as hell Nov 13 08:30:01 hhee Nov 13 08:30:12 i stayed in kowloon a few weeks back Nov 13 08:30:19 hk always tempts me to move there its so cool Nov 13 08:30:35 some things are, some things aren't... I walk to and from work, and if I don't, I pay $2 (about US$0.25 for anyone listening in) for the tram Nov 13 08:30:53 trams rock! Nov 13 08:30:56 :) Nov 13 08:30:59 and roll... Nov 13 08:31:07 twn is ten times cheaper Nov 13 08:31:14 apart from pubs, almost same Nov 13 08:31:25 yeah, but less threat of nuclear destruction from China... Nov 13 08:31:29 morning Nov 13 08:31:34 it's worth quite a lot Nov 13 08:31:38 yeh and you can buy red bull in 7/11 Nov 13 08:31:40 afternoon spiderpig Nov 13 08:31:41 2 huge benefits Nov 13 08:31:47 not to mention mars bar availability Nov 13 08:31:51 you couldn't, for a while - it was pulled, but it's back Nov 13 08:32:34 it was popular enough to remain here, at the price it was it was priced worse than UK it was like £1.25 or something, and a bottle of coke is 50p Nov 13 08:32:41 wasnt popular enough Nov 13 08:33:02 in Twn the average person would have to work for over an hour to get a redbull Nov 13 08:33:28 yeah, but it gives them enough energy to work for another 2 hours! Nov 13 08:33:33 hehehe Nov 13 08:34:06 In Shanghai we have to work over 2 hours while get nothing Nov 13 08:34:22 nice Nov 13 08:34:32 on paper, HK is one of the richest places on earth... but it's also the least fair when it comes to income and wealth distribution Nov 13 08:34:40 in Soviet Union, Red Bull drink you! Nov 13 08:34:48 yeh i ended up in the middle of all these skyscrapers Nov 13 08:35:02 and impossibly filthy rich but harsd to escape shopping compound Nov 13 08:35:26 09:35 < Gaz`> in Twn the average person would have to work for over an hour to Nov 13 08:35:26 get a redbull Nov 13 08:35:26 09:36 < Leeds> yeah, but it gives them enough energy to work for another 2 Nov 13 08:35:26 hours! Nov 13 08:35:29 argh Nov 13 08:35:31 sorry Nov 13 08:35:34 :p Nov 13 08:35:43 no it was a good enough quip to paste ;) Nov 13 08:35:54 jo Nov 13 08:35:58 yeah Nov 13 08:42:00 leeds: how many downloads has your weather app had? since making sonorox free its just shifting ten times faster (of course) but now Im thinking 2 or 3 free apps is maybe a nice way to promote one paid one Nov 13 08:42:38 almost 4000 downloads, 30% installed - but remember I'm in a niche Nov 13 08:42:54 yes, 4000 is absolutely awesome considering Nov 13 08:43:05 I've been working on a little toy which has quite a nice split between a free and paid version Nov 13 08:43:20 neither of my free demos have had that, personally i think people see "lite" or "demo" and think ah i cant be arsedwith that Nov 13 08:43:26 great Nov 13 08:43:27 it's not bad.... would be nice if it generated a few $ Nov 13 08:43:37 ive made less than £100 in total Nov 13 09:19:08 hi everybody Nov 13 09:19:50 * EugeneK zip ties JesusFreke to a cross Nov 13 09:24:47 ca lag Nov 13 09:26:36 lol chpo Nov 13 09:27:54 aavan: wrong chan Nov 13 09:27:55 sorry Nov 13 09:28:50 hello everyone Nov 13 09:29:19 afternoon Nov 13 09:29:41 Bradford? Nov 13 09:29:41 oh hello leeds...anywhere near bradford? :P Nov 13 09:29:44 yup Nov 13 09:29:48 how did u know? Nov 13 09:29:53 lol Nov 13 09:30:01 not now, but I hail from Leeds... your reverse IP has 'brad' in it Nov 13 09:30:15 ahh kool...how r u? Nov 13 09:30:45 not too bad, looking forward to the weekend Nov 13 09:31:03 me too...wot phone do u have then m8? Nov 13 09:31:03 yep, I know chpo, no problem Nov 13 09:31:13 Magic Nov 13 09:31:26 difference is, weekend is about half an hour away here :) Nov 13 09:31:34 kool...have u put on hero firmware on it? Nov 13 09:32:41 nope, just cyanogen - don't really want the hero stuff Nov 13 09:33:30 know much about hero? Nov 13 09:33:37 i'm a bit stuck u c Nov 13 09:34:13 I've *seen* heros... if you've put a hero rom on another phone and you need help, #android-root is the place to ask Nov 13 09:35:42 no m8..ive just got my hero with orange rom on it but i have reception issues...i heard that replacing it with a custom rom improves reception, though not sure if this is true Nov 13 09:43:01 got2go..chat soon! :) Nov 13 09:43:12 bye then Nov 13 09:52:47 hi everyone Nov 13 09:53:24 can anyone help me with some htc advice pls? Nov 13 09:53:51 timezones, dude Nov 13 09:54:15 but I've never heard that different OS builds have better reception Nov 13 09:55:20 i think they call it radio rom or something Nov 13 09:55:33 don't mess with the radio Nov 13 09:56:23 why is that then? Nov 13 09:57:39 because it's by far the easiest way to brick your phone so badly that you need to take it back and explain to the nice French-owned people that you screwed up your phone and can they exchange it for a working one please? Nov 13 09:59:27 563 Nov 13 10:00:41 true...but i can't stay like this as i only get one bar of signal and when i goto MENU>>ABOUT PHONE>>STATUS, my signal level is flucuating between -90dBm and -105dBm which i'm sure is pretty low Nov 13 10:11:48 talk to orange, tell them their network is crap Nov 13 10:13:47 Bonjour Nov 13 10:14:51 on da fone wid oramge now Nov 13 10:15:00 spk soon, cya Nov 13 10:45:46 can you install marketplace on a archos 5a? Nov 13 10:48:49 List of apps that run on android? I want a way to stream theora video, preferably from a html5 webpage. Nov 13 10:53:11 Hey does anyone have this problem that I have? My g1.. is ridiculous. I swear to god, EVERY 5-6 seconds (well, sometimes. It comes and goes) the current activity will just stop responding. Nov 13 10:53:54 Home, messaging, maps. It doesn't matter if I close everything or not. I dont know if its caused by having low internal space, too many widgets on home screen, or what.. Nov 13 11:22:21 Lanlost: Have you tried to reboot your phone, to make sure there isn't a service running in the background? Nov 13 11:23:19 yes Nov 13 11:23:29 It does seem to run better when I do that, but almost immediately it's back to normal Nov 13 11:23:37 I only have like 6mb free internal memory Nov 13 11:23:45 I really think I need to reinstall and use apps2sd Nov 13 11:24:08 I dont know why I didn't do that the first time. I think I was just so afraid of bricking phone that I didnt want to partition and stuff at the same time Nov 13 11:24:54 Even though I could handle everything needed to install something like jf or cyanogen there was just so much info out there that I was afraid I would do something wrong. Liek use the wrong radio with it Nov 13 11:29:53 Lanlost: partitioning can't affect your phone in that way Nov 13 11:30:01 I know Nov 13 11:30:18 I'm just saying, I read up for so long to make sure I wasn't going to do something wrong that I just wanted to get it done ASAP Nov 13 11:30:32 I didn't want to spend the time to partition at that point =P Nov 13 11:31:06 I've done a million tsops and flashes of firmware and such. I've also bricked a few things, granted back when I was doing it the first few times. I'm always paranoid when its new hardware that I just paid a lot for Nov 13 11:31:49 the time I bricked it was my xbox. It was dumb though, I accidently flashed a text file. It was the same filename as the .bin just with .txt. I copied the wrong one while not looking and hit tab to autocomplete Nov 13 11:31:56 ever since then... Nov 13 11:32:34 Of course, I should have just reflashed immediately with the .bin but I freaked out and hit the power instead of the eject-cd to put in the one with the .bin Nov 13 11:33:04 But Apps2SD is fine right? I remember reading it had some drawbacks but I'm assuming they have all been fixed by now. Nov 13 11:53:45 I will pay somone 5 bucks + a free app if they do a vido review for an app Nov 13 12:00:54 tsops? Nov 13 12:01:49 Lanlost:b apps2sd has drawbacks, most of which cannot be fixed I think Nov 13 12:02:11 zswap/compcache might be a better approach if ram is the issue Nov 13 12:08:43 wtf.. My messaging app automatically closes. If I open an SMS thread to compose a new one or look at one it closes immediately too.. no error message or anything Nov 13 12:09:13 I deleted all the threads and now when I go to it.. and go to compose.. it works for like 10 seconds and then closes. I can keep opening it and if I'm lucky.. type some.. cut and paste.. type some cut and paste Nov 13 12:09:37 It started doing this after I backed up my SMSs using an app.. great... I dont see how that should affect the messaging app itself though Nov 13 13:02:17 nice weather out :-/ Nov 13 13:04:10 its a beat Nov 13 13:04:18 beaut Nov 13 13:04:39 you're so not living near me then Nov 13 13:10:38 its night time here actually... Nov 13 13:27:47 i guess you guys have seen todays xkcd? :D Nov 13 13:28:10 Yes. Nov 13 13:28:22 Ok, sorry. Nov 13 13:29:18 In totally unrelated news, Apple suddenly banned the xkcd app from the app store, claiming that it contains inappropriate content that hurts the iPhone user experience. (j/k) Nov 13 13:29:49 There's a XKCD app? Nov 13 13:30:39 lol, I don't know, I was just making a tasteless joke. Nov 13 13:31:50 whats xkcd Nov 13 13:32:22 mikedg-blau http://xkcd.com/ Nov 13 13:32:32 specifically, today's cartoon Nov 13 13:33:03 lol Nov 13 13:33:13 that stick figure chick is hot Nov 13 13:33:20 is that a achick Nov 13 13:33:23 if you didn't know that web-comic, go read through all of them Nov 13 13:33:49 also, if you hover your mouse over the image, there's a comment from the artist Nov 13 13:34:15 RobinB: many webcomics do that Nov 13 13:36:00 yeah, i know that smbc does it as well Nov 13 13:36:25 but i didn't discover that for quite a while, and had to go back through the archive to see what i missed ... Nov 13 13:36:53 :D Nov 13 13:41:47 oh wow Nov 13 13:41:49 air painter is cool Nov 13 13:42:28 gave me a great idea for a game Nov 13 13:43:20 wonder if its open source Nov 13 14:05:09 can I have my phone use my desktop's internet connection through adb? Nov 13 14:07:37 bnovc: google for "android reverse tether" Nov 13 14:07:44 I think someone hacked it together Nov 13 14:09:38 KNY: ah, well I thought I'd heard it was built in somewhere. if not, that's fine Nov 13 14:09:55 IT is supposed to be installing more repeaters and routers near me anyway.. just annoying to drop signal when testing Nov 13 14:18:37 AH Nov 13 14:18:43 My phone is drving me f'in NUTS Nov 13 14:18:48 hello Nov 13 14:19:13 Everything I do = immediate lockup for like 10 seocnds. Home locks up. I click wait, everything goes fast, I open ANYTHING.. IMMEDIATE lock up.. click wait Nov 13 14:19:29 can anyone tell me what the latest and greatest hero rom is? been googling for hours now and getting confused Nov 13 14:19:33 Messaging for some reason just closes now. I can't text unless I delete all threads and even then I have to rapidly type cut and paste because it just closes.. no error or anything Nov 13 14:19:48 * EugeneKay points cephalopoid to #android-root Nov 13 14:20:00 thanks, EugeneKay Nov 13 14:20:02 hmm, I cna't seem to download anything from market today Nov 13 14:20:09 everything I attempt to download gets stalled Nov 13 14:20:16 I can search and such to my heart's content Nov 13 14:20:20 wtf? what is android-root? Stuff pertaining to rooted phones specifically? Nov 13 14:20:22 but download nothing Nov 13 14:20:25 I've just never seen anyone mention it Nov 13 14:20:27 Lanlost: yes Nov 13 14:20:38 cool, good to know. Thanks Nov 13 14:21:06 So what is this channel then? Specifically just general chat? Nov 13 14:21:10 Lanlost: just another channel... a quiet one :( Nov 13 14:21:17 Yeah Nov 13 14:21:28 Well, I'm in android-dev because I am a developer Nov 13 14:21:38 nice :D Nov 13 14:21:39 never seen -root. I see it in the topic now though. Maybe it's relatively new Nov 13 14:21:54 I think maybe I just need to wipe the phone and reinstall Nov 13 14:22:06 I am just another linux profiteur :p Nov 13 14:22:12 its not new Nov 13 14:22:12 have you ever had the problem I am having? No one seems to answer. Not ragging on them, just dont know if its common or not Nov 13 14:22:20 I hope to contribute one day Nov 13 14:22:28 It's hard to find a good string to search google with Nov 13 14:22:33 I'm using Mint Nov 13 14:22:44 me arch :) Nov 13 14:22:50 Ever used it? I have never in the past ever recommended a distro really Nov 13 14:22:59 just given a variety of ones for people to try. Nov 13 14:23:34 Mint is by far, the absolute greatest distro I've ever seen. It's leaps and bounds above anything. Ubuntu derivative but don't let that fool you, its a good base but its progressing above and beyond it by a large margin Nov 13 14:23:45 I just give ubuntu to noobs, and use my 1337-desktop myself Nov 13 14:24:07 I'm just saying, download a live cd of it if you have the bandwidth, I gaurentee you will like it. You may not switch but next time you install you might. Nov 13 14:24:22 I used Slack for a long time Nov 13 14:24:44 That hd died.. I havent had the time to do a slack install Nov 13 14:24:53 does it come with fluxbox, pytyle and a nice terminal including vim and irssi? Nov 13 14:24:56 but Mint has taken over fo rme Nov 13 14:25:03 you can get a fluxbox version of it yes Nov 13 14:25:30 It has python, not sure about for tele.. it does have vim and irssi though Nov 13 14:26:11 Seriously, for noobs, just start recommending Mint over Ubuntu from now on. I'm not kidding. It's absolute perfect in that case Nov 13 14:26:25 In the sense that it comes with all the stuff they would be used to in Windows by default Nov 13 14:26:48 okay, why not? :) Nov 13 14:26:57 namely, Ubuntu + mp3, dvd, divx, all the restricted stuff that ubuntu doesnt have and people find annoying or difficult to get Nov 13 14:27:12 including drivers that ubuntu doesn't come with by default Nov 13 14:28:01 but its a lot more than that too. It has a different interface thats a lot more asthetically pleasing if you care about that. But a lot more useful too. The apps that control it (like its custom menu, upgrader, etc) are what make it so great though. Nov 13 14:28:05 Anyway, this is off topic Nov 13 14:28:26 weird Nov 13 14:28:30 reboot fixt my market issue Nov 13 14:28:37 you couldn't download? Nov 13 14:28:40 I h ad that the other day Nov 13 14:29:02 my phones charge died so I'm assuming thats what fixed it then Nov 13 14:29:52 thing is, i installed a copilot update less than 9 hours ago and it worked fine Nov 13 14:30:10 Hey cephalopoid, did you check wikipedia? It's got a rom comparison I think. Some site does Nov 13 14:30:20 question about updates Nov 13 14:30:25 thanks, Lanlost Nov 13 14:30:34 you should know this since copilot is commercial (right?) Nov 13 14:30:53 I have a few apps that are paid, when I update them.. it checks my credit card stuff again. You dont have to repay the fee for an update do you? Nov 13 14:31:05 I would hate to think I'm repaying $1.99 or whatever every update. Some of them update once a week Nov 13 14:31:31 It should say "verifying purchase", not checking CC Nov 13 14:31:44 yeah.. thats probably it Nov 13 14:31:47 It's just checking with your Google account to make sure you really bought it Nov 13 14:31:51 I stopped updating because my phones going nuts anyway Nov 13 14:32:06 Ok, I figured as much. I didnt think there was anyway they would charge you over and over. Nov 13 14:32:24 If you reformat your phone, change ROMs, or even change to a different model(I think), so long as you use the same Google Account, your purchases in Market carry over Nov 13 14:32:36 EugeneKay: it has worked that way for me Nov 13 14:32:51 My phones acting so crazy though that I would seriously consider its part of a one phone conspiracy to drive me crazy Nov 13 14:33:06 Backup your data and then do a wipe, Lanlost Nov 13 14:33:29 Its been doing the "Activity _____ is not responding. Force Close, Wait" thing since pretty much the beginning, but its just been exponentially increasing Nov 13 14:33:47 Right, thats what I was planning on doing, I've just been busy and needed it Nov 13 14:34:13 I mostly wanted to know if it might have anything to do with the fact that there is only like 4mb free internally (not sd). Nov 13 14:34:32 Possibly. Nov 13 14:34:45 If you isntall & uninstall a lot of things, you'll end up with a fragmented filesystem Nov 13 14:34:51 I swear no matter what I uninstall its always at that same space. I deleted like 90% of my apps today and its still 68mb of 74mb used. Im basically down to gapps. Nov 13 14:35:05 What, no android defragger? ;-) Nov 13 14:35:14 Not on a stock ROM, AFAIK. Nov 13 14:35:26 heh Nov 13 14:35:39 I haven't used a stock ROM since..... ever? Nov 13 14:35:46 I doubt there is one at all. Unless the OS itself takes care of it on the fly. Really I havent done that much installs/uninstalls Nov 13 14:36:12 I dont even know how to wipe. I mean, I would if it was stock. I'm using jf 1.51. Do I just reinstall it? Nov 13 14:36:25 Meet me in #android-root Nov 13 14:56:19 wow, just noticed that the ION device just became ADP2 Nov 13 14:56:34 its always nice to see more options :) Nov 13 14:57:50 : ( Nov 13 14:58:00 this is the dumbest move possible Nov 13 14:59:44 What a piss poor choice. Nov 13 14:59:47 lov, its probably because of the memory constraints present in the dream, so developers can put 2.0 on the adp2 and still have free space left Nov 13 15:00:21 so I bet htc wont be releasing 2.0 images anytime soon :P Nov 13 15:00:51 (for the adp1, that is, and probably only for the adp2) Nov 13 15:01:00 I hope I'm mistaken =D Nov 13 15:03:04 you're making the assumption that 2.0 won't fit on dream Nov 13 15:03:19 hmm... *if* the ion got an android 2.0 image, then I think it's not a bad option. Nov 13 15:03:31 lov: I'd think it fits just fine, I think you won't get all features. Nov 13 15:04:22 lov, im not making that assumption, im guessing that might be one of the reasons of why we are seing a new adp Nov 13 15:04:40 I think we're seeing a new adp because someone wants to make some money Nov 13 15:04:50 and because that phone type is pretty popular Nov 13 15:04:56 lov, i am *sure* it fits into the dream, and the community will be able to build images for it :) Nov 13 15:05:00 someone knows if it is possible to view comments for an application ? without any android phone Nov 13 15:05:37 l_a_m: androlib.com Nov 13 15:05:48 heck, we've even seen the sdk images on the dream, I don't know how much hackery was required for making it fit though. Maybe none, or maybe more than none... Nov 13 15:07:27 * keny updates to the latest chromium build, crosses fingers... Nov 13 15:14:05 Well that's cool. Latitude has an option to store your location history. Nov 13 15:15:05 i just released a new app Nov 13 15:15:23 gratz Nov 13 15:15:40 mikedg-blau: what's it called/do? Nov 13 15:16:47 its Melon, a note pad app Nov 13 15:17:07 its a preview version, i yanked out alot of the advanced features just to get it out there Nov 13 15:17:14 write on (:D) congrats Nov 13 15:17:47 itll remain free even once its out of preview though Nov 13 15:18:07 why is it called Melon? Nov 13 15:18:24 cause it can hold everything thats in your melon! Nov 13 15:18:56 cool layout. But what does it sync with? Nov 13 15:19:23 it will sync with a custom google app engine project (also free) Nov 13 15:19:39 i have it already working, its just ugly and hasnt been tested too much, it was supposed to be my ADC2 entry Nov 13 15:19:53 itll also eventually allow sending to other apps and recieving notes from them Nov 13 15:19:56 and exporting to sd card Nov 13 15:21:13 If you could pull in google docs for editing that would be incredible. Nov 13 15:21:55 its on my todo list, but for now thats far out, im hoping eventually we'll get some better ways for interacting with google docs Nov 13 15:22:25 really cool note app. Good luck on finishing it. Nov 13 15:22:45 thanks :) Nov 13 15:28:13 mikedg-blau: when i click on the plus i get a choice of using "note - note pad" or "note melon", and note pad crashes immediately Nov 13 15:28:58 maybe that was a bad decision to support the same data types and the other notepad apps, hmm Nov 13 15:29:10 thanks Nov 13 15:29:35 editing an existing note works though Nov 13 15:29:53 Note Melon shold work though right? Nov 13 15:29:57 yeah Nov 13 15:30:07 pinning works too, nice idea Nov 13 15:30:15 Anybody here who got a second to explaind what the Teknologist kernel does exactly? Nov 13 15:31:50 Awesome: http://xkcd.com/662/ Nov 13 15:32:15 mikedg-blau: when i pin a note and delete it, the pin stays Nov 13 15:32:58 mikedg-blau: also, i just had 3 instances of melon running on top of each other, maybe make it so only one can run at a time. Nov 13 15:33:03 oooo, thanks robin Nov 13 15:33:11 youre being really helpful Nov 13 15:33:27 ive beenusing it privately for almost a year now, because it was always in a state of having half finished features Nov 13 15:33:35 that i kinda forgot about a lot of the annoying bugs Nov 13 15:34:33 Is there a way to get marketplace apks off my droid if I'm not rooted? Nov 13 15:34:59 no worries, i know the feeling. it's most annoying when you're getting 1-star reviews because you just updated and screwed it up. then you fix it, update again, and you get 1-star reviews for updating too often :D Nov 13 15:35:24 piroko: Not if they're protected Nov 13 15:35:36 RobinB: chmod magic? Nov 13 15:35:37 ah wait, you want to remove android market? Nov 13 15:36:36 piroko: I think protected apps are in a different folder to which you don't have access. the non-copyprotected apps are in a folder that can be accessed via adb. if i remember correctly. haven't done much with that. Nov 13 15:37:04 RobinB: No, you understood correctly. Just wanted to copy an app off my device for backup Nov 13 15:37:24 Anybody here who got a second to explaind what the Teknologist kernel does exactly? Nov 13 15:37:42 yeah, you can't do that with the protected apps. which makes sense, because otherwise there would be pirated versions of all the paid apps out there immediately. Nov 13 15:39:36 for "backup" Nov 13 15:39:37 suuure. Nov 13 15:40:06 you realize that you can download the app as many times as you want, right? :> Nov 13 15:42:06 lov: you can get the -newest- version as many times as you want. unless its pulled from market. and several apps have gone the route of "remove all the features from the free version to sell an identical paid version" so that doesn't help at al Nov 13 15:42:08 l Nov 13 15:45:05 meh. Still a little iffy. Nov 13 15:45:50 i have 6 pending updates that are sitting. go check out pixelpipe. they actually -did- a free-to-paid conversion (unpublished free, published paid w/ same name etc) and got called on it. then they fixed that and published a free ver that just pops up nagware screens. Nov 13 15:46:30 twidroid wasn't that bad, but their latest update was "remove some features and add nags for twidroid-pro". wifi scanner (or whatever its called) has an update that is unchanged except they added ads. Nov 13 15:46:54 twidroid kept crashing for me, and losing tweets I'd already downloaded Nov 13 15:47:19 swift is less nice looking, but works more reliably for me. Nov 13 15:47:25 so .. yeah. there's a huge use-case for "back up my apps at the versions that are actually installed". even if you leave out all that and just go for "after this version it did a bunch of stuff i don't want it to, or took more memory, etc" Nov 13 15:47:26 yeah, sometime it spammed my notification screen with all tweets from the last month or so Nov 13 15:47:27 Anybody know how Teknologist kernel works? I have an idee just not 100% Nov 13 15:47:39 unwesen: swift caching sucks sooo bad for me. so i am trying twitteride. pretty nice so far. Nov 13 15:47:52 must try that out, maybe I'll prefer that :) Nov 13 15:47:55 "you have 10 new updates" .. click it .. wait while it redownloads them. oops, it ate all my api calls. :( Nov 13 15:48:17 anyhow, not the the point. retaining downloaded apps certainly is useful, I'd agree with that Nov 13 15:49:14 but then again, this is a platform where "backup" consists of "your gmail contacts. unless it eats them." so.. Nov 13 15:55:48 is it normal for google to send me viagra spam after submitting an android bug? :D Nov 13 15:56:15 they want to make your bug reports bigger. Nov 13 15:56:44 lol Nov 13 15:57:09 heh Nov 13 15:58:11 anyone know of upcoming Bluetooth support for keyboards? Nov 13 16:01:12 that'd be neat if it supported the HID profile Nov 13 16:03:51 I want to try out Android but are there any phones I can try this out , without buying a phone for $400 - are there cheaper phones? Nov 13 16:04:10 theres a free emulator for your pc Nov 13 16:05:18 but no phone - I called tmobile (which I subscribe to) but they won't give me the $200 for the mytouch price (I'm not eligible for an upgrade) Nov 13 16:05:54 * litui is very amused by today's xkcd. Nov 13 16:06:59 hello, is it possible to test c++ aps with Android emulator? Nov 13 16:08:06 yes Nov 13 16:09:45 \\o Nov 13 16:10:34 still amazes me for all me fanship of evil google empire.. that they can offer us custom phone number tags on our android phones.. but not in gmail's contacts.. ttmywts hmmmmmmm... Nov 13 16:10:59 I'd like to test h264 video player based on x264 codec, so i need to install dependencies: codec, few other libs, etc.. Nov 13 16:11:01 if i want a custom phone tag.. have to do it on g1 then sync Nov 13 16:11:13 steeee'range Nov 13 16:12:04 so, where can i find tutorial? Nov 13 16:13:20 Anybody know how I can get the clock widget from clear as a bell into black sence theme? Appreciated Nov 13 16:14:07 mzeal: #android-dev for dev questions, not sure if someone can point you to a tutorial. Nov 13 16:15:27 <_RyanA> Yay I just posted a quick blog on my one week experience with droid, I'd love to share but not sure if spamming is allowed Nov 13 16:15:55 _RyanA: eh, post it. Nov 13 16:16:04 if it's really spam or porn I'll just kb you :> Nov 13 16:16:29 haha Nov 13 16:16:29 <_RyanA> www.ryanandres.net/blog Nov 13 16:16:56 my god, it's full of dongs Nov 13 16:17:30 looks fine :P Nov 13 16:17:49 <_RyanA> I tried. It's my 2nd post ever Nov 13 16:18:12 <_RyanA> And I tried to keep the technical stuff out and went for user experience Nov 13 16:18:12 it Nov 13 16:19:23 jbq: Are there any archive copies of, say, SDK 1.5 r2? The ones that are downloaded by the SDK Tools don't include the old drivers. Nov 13 16:19:28 _RyanA: With the Droid I max out at 1000-2000MB/s which I have never seen on the G1. <- impressive ;) Nov 13 16:20:42 <_RyanA> I know! Every morning I download podcasts and that's a huge plus for me because I usually download all my podcasts then turn off wifi Nov 13 16:21:04 <_RyanA> Now it takes a couple of minutes rather than ... say maybe 10 minutes Nov 13 16:21:06 you kids and your podcasts Nov 13 16:21:34 RobinB: Is that typing speed? Nov 13 16:21:37 _RyanA: No, i actually wanted to point out a unit error, its kb Nov 13 16:21:39 * kroot eyes himself warily. Nov 13 16:22:07 lol if anyone uses a bluetooth keyboard, full size on android Nov 13 16:22:10 i will personally kick their ass Nov 13 16:22:15 anyone building aosp w/ snow leopard? (from scratch) Nov 13 16:22:24 <_RyanA> RobinB: ah thanks. I think it said 1MB-2MB at first but I switched it to be consistent. Nov 13 16:22:32 kroot: I'm not sure. xavd would know, he'll probably show up in a few hours. Nov 13 16:22:47 jeev: come and get me bitch :P used my foldable full-laptop-size one about 6 months ago (on my g1) to take notes :) Nov 13 16:22:49 jbq: Okay, I'll just download it from rapidshare.com for now :-/ Nov 13 16:23:00 NASTY Nov 13 16:23:09 jbq, you seen those few bugs about freezing ? Nov 13 16:23:33 jeev: that doesn't ring a bell, no. Nov 13 16:24:02 anybody who can help me? :S Nov 13 16:24:48 Gustaf-, no idea man Nov 13 16:25:17 jeev thx for answering anyway :).... :/ Nov 13 16:25:22 no prob Nov 13 16:25:50 [08:16am] if it's really spam or porn I'll just kb you :> = flawed, should've been if it's spam, i'll kb you, if it's porn, we'll op you Nov 13 16:27:50 <_RyanA> lol Nov 13 16:33:50 I'll voice for porn Nov 13 16:33:57 but considering that it's so readily available on the internet.... Nov 13 16:34:45 android porn - that's what every transhumanist needs! Nov 13 16:39:53 No platform is ever complete until it offers wide access to porn Nov 13 16:45:19 cbeust: android's got a web browser, right? Nov 13 16:46:47 unwesen: yes Nov 13 16:46:57 there you go, it's complete. Nov 13 16:47:58 all existing bugs are now to be marked as features and the git tree is to be locked. Nov 13 16:49:06 ? Nov 13 16:49:31 elitrix: unwesen and cbeust just proved that android is complete. Nov 13 16:49:40 ah Nov 13 16:50:26 My next proof will be P=NP Nov 13 16:50:44 then we'll square the circle Nov 13 16:50:47 lol Nov 13 16:51:58 but ull bring the whole internets down to its knees if u do that Nov 13 16:53:18 cbeust: hey, let me know how pi ends, will you? Nov 13 16:58:12 wtf seriously? Nov 13 16:58:23 11:47 < KNY> all existing bugs are now to be marked as features and the git tree is to be locked. Nov 13 16:59:39 lol Nov 13 17:00:03 Just for 3 minutes while the android team takes a well-deserved vacation after shipping 2.0 Nov 13 17:00:22 AbortRetryFail: please read context. Nov 13 17:00:38 both before and after Nov 13 17:00:43 the context is Nov 13 17:00:51 * KNY .oO( that's the last time I make a joke on IRC ) Nov 13 17:00:54 join part part join part part quit join quit part quit quit join Nov 13 17:01:06 AbortRetryFail: get a client that doesn't suck and filter that crap out Nov 13 17:01:16 I know i'm just being a pain in the ass :) Nov 13 17:15:49 Anybody know a Windows and/or Mac irc client that lets me filter the *** messages? Nov 13 17:16:09 ***? Nov 13 17:16:17 like joins and parts etc. Nov 13 17:16:18 "has quit", etc... Nov 13 17:16:30 yes. mirc can do that. you might have to script it yourself :) Nov 13 17:16:58 I checked a few clients already, none of them appear to support that, amazing considering the noise that the notice messages introduce in a channel Nov 13 17:21:01 CedricBeust: Pidgin has plugins to turn off irc messages Nov 13 17:21:27 CedricBeust: supports just about everything but video IM. Nov 13 17:40:39 CedricBeust, just change the color Nov 13 17:40:44 of the joins and parts and stuff Nov 13 17:41:30 jeev: clever Nov 13 17:41:39 Still infuriating I can't remove them altogether Nov 13 17:41:48 what client are you using? Nov 13 17:42:06 cedric, i think you can in mirc. sec Nov 13 17:42:25 yeah, you can Nov 13 17:42:30 CedricBeust: what client? Nov 13 17:42:31 forgot Nov 13 17:42:34 if nothing else, then with scripting. Nov 13 17:42:41 any client Nov 13 17:42:51 CedricBeust: most clients let you Nov 13 17:42:52 RobinB: scripting only lets you ignore nicks Nov 13 17:42:54 not messages Nov 13 17:42:56 xchat has a menu option for it Nov 13 17:43:07 CedricBeust: i'm pretty sure you're wrong Nov 13 17:43:15 irssi lets you essentially run everything through grep -v Nov 13 17:43:15 I mean the standard irc scripting Nov 13 17:43:26 heh, sec Nov 13 17:43:27 CedricBeust: there isn't "standard" irc scripting Nov 13 17:43:28 yes each client has its own language, I can use a special command in irssi Nov 13 17:43:34 yes Nov 13 17:43:36 KNY: I was referring to /ignore Nov 13 17:43:44 anyway, here you go: http://clintecker.com/disable-irc-msgs.html Nov 13 17:44:01 RobinB: yes I saw that but it's awfully out of date Nov 13 17:44:08 Colloquy no longer shows the css for example Nov 13 17:44:31 still works for mirc Nov 13 17:44:37 mac? ew. Nov 13 17:44:51 CedricBeust, alt+o then to irc [events] Nov 13 17:44:55 yah the standard android dev env is really a terrible choice of os ;) Nov 13 17:44:55 is what #mirc told me from efnet Nov 13 17:45:15 jeev: I use Mac, Windows and Linux every day Nov 13 17:46:22 crazy Nov 13 17:46:33  Nov 13 17:46:48 Desktop at work is Linux, laptop for work is Mac, Windows is for the rest:) Nov 13 17:47:01 CedricBeust, mirc options.. irc. events button Nov 13 17:47:11 you find it ? Nov 13 17:47:29 I'm using .IRC right now and changing the color worked Nov 13 17:47:30 looking at mirc now Nov 13 17:47:45 yea, go to options, click on irc.. it's in the irc section on the middle right, 'events' Nov 13 17:47:49 Yes found it, thanks jeev Nov 13 17:47:52 # Windows - mIRC: View => Options => pick "IRC". Click the "Events..." button. Change the "joins", "parts", "quits", and "nicks" to your desired settings: "In Status" or "Hide" are good options. Nov 13 17:47:59 i guess that wasn't out of date (robinb)'s Nov 13 18:03:13 hi all, what phone run on android with a real keyboard in qwerty please ? Nov 13 18:03:57 droid Nov 13 18:04:07 samsung moment, motorola droid, motorola cliq, g1... Nov 13 18:04:43 ok thanks Nov 13 18:06:48 hello all Nov 13 18:07:23 quick question (hopefully)...yesterday I saw a friend of mine use 'adb' in the android sdk to connect to his phone and get a shell....I can't reach him to ask so I thought I'd ask here....how does one accomplish this? Nov 13 18:07:38 (or, better, can someone point me to the docs that explain it?) Nov 13 18:07:40 download the android sdk from android.com Nov 13 18:07:44 You download the SDK.... it's in the tools directory Nov 13 18:08:09 Connect your phone via USB, enable the "debug bridge"(that's the DB part of ADB) in Settings, and off you go Nov 13 18:10:27 Is there a way to present only a directory as a USB MSD? (HTC Tattoo in case that's relevant) Nov 13 18:13:53 thanks guys...I have the sdk, and I see 'adb' in tools. however, just running adb by itself shows me a list of options. I thought 'adb -d shell' would do the trick, but I get "error: insufficient permissions for device" Nov 13 18:14:34 (sorry, all, this is in linux, I should've mentioned that :-/) Nov 13 18:17:20 khelek, what device do you have? Nov 13 18:18:05 tauno: droid Nov 13 18:18:19 in this case, I don't know :( Nov 13 18:18:35 USB debugging is enabled on the device? Nov 13 18:19:17 tauno: yup...it says usb debugging is enabled Nov 13 18:20:39 http://community.developer.motorola.com/mtrl/board/message?board.id=Android_Development&thread.id=215 helps maybe Nov 13 18:21:19 tauno: thanks! I'll give it a try :) Nov 13 18:27:40 hello Nov 13 18:28:10 hi Nov 13 18:46:14 anyone have any idea when flash will be available for the droid? Nov 13 18:46:30 not really Nov 13 18:46:34 the same as for the rest of android, some time in 2010 Nov 13 18:46:38 I assume Nov 13 18:48:09 hpyfri13th Nov 13 18:49:24 eh? Nov 13 18:49:33 "happy Friday the 13th" Nov 13 18:49:53 * ctate . o O ( muahahaha ) Nov 13 18:50:55 oh my god Nov 13 18:51:00 Majost: you mean when will it get rooted? Nov 13 18:51:10 that too Nov 13 18:51:11 ;) Nov 13 18:51:12 heh Nov 13 18:51:18 well Nov 13 18:51:21 people are working on it Nov 13 18:51:46 so far one of the kernel exploits has been ruled out.. theres one remaining that needs to be messed with to get it working on arm Nov 13 18:52:46 unfortunately it looks like the motorola devices are a lot more locked down than the HTC devices have been Nov 13 19:00:42 What is the best navigation app on market? Nov 13 19:01:19 CoPilot Live Nov 13 19:01:23 Is Nav4All any good? Nov 13 19:01:58 http://www.brightstarcorp.com/news-room/press-releases/brightstar-expands-android-developer-device-global-distribution-program-/ Nov 13 19:02:26 Any let me rephrase my question .... What is the best "free" app on market? Nov 13 19:02:59 ctate: yay we can get another msm phone Nov 13 19:03:41 Because I have a indash and portable navigation systems so I was just wondering about a free one for my Eris Nov 13 19:03:44 i need more bluetooth 2.0 phones Nov 13 19:03:57 KNY: the ADP2 is a sapphire, basically identical to the Ion. Nov 13 19:04:00 why did you go with eris over droid? Nov 13 19:04:06 so, more flash disk. Nov 13 19:04:07 ctate: I know. That was sarcasm, my good sir. Nov 13 19:04:09 One reason Nov 13 19:04:14 KNY: i was fighting fire with water, sir. Nov 13 19:04:15 * KNY is not psyched about ADP2. At all. Nov 13 19:04:17 I didnt want a physical keyboard Nov 13 19:04:18 :) Nov 13 19:04:22 heh Nov 13 19:04:34 i wish adp2 was a dramatically different phone Nov 13 19:04:46 so theres like a point to having it for testing if you have an adp1 Nov 13 19:04:47 I also hate Moto phones Nov 13 19:04:50 mikedg-blau: yeah, like a certain next-gen phone that just came out that? Nov 13 19:05:01 mikedg-blau: completely agreed. Nov 13 19:05:01 kny, sure Nov 13 19:05:03 Always have given me problems unlike my HTC phones Nov 13 19:05:09 but i was thinking odd screen sizes Nov 13 19:05:13 different hardware features Nov 13 19:05:19 1024x360! Nov 13 19:05:22 :D Nov 13 19:05:42 for all your needs in the realm of Nov 13 19:05:42 uh Nov 13 19:05:47 touchscreen TV remotes? Nov 13 19:05:53 sure! Nov 13 19:06:02 what i reallt want is an android flip phone Nov 13 19:06:06 with a tiny ass non touchscreen Nov 13 19:06:23 didn't intel have one of these really long and slim prototypes recently? or was it ms? Nov 13 19:06:25 am i the only one? Nov 13 19:06:49 Yes Nov 13 19:06:58 RobinB: LG has that stupid Chocolate phone that just cake out. BLK400 or something Nov 13 19:07:08 mikedg-blau: actually i would like to see serious work on a clamshell non-touch Android model Nov 13 19:07:23 ah yes: http://www.iphonealley.com/images/storyimages/september07/moorestown_big.jpg Nov 13 19:07:28 but the nontouch UI is so cobwebby right now that it would take a concerted effort to make it good again Nov 13 19:07:35 ctate: so I assume that answers my question about whether touch is needed for CTS? Nov 13 19:07:39 and, uh, got résumé? Nov 13 19:07:44 RobinB: is that something for car sterios Nov 13 19:07:48 KNY: i don't actually know Nov 13 19:07:52 RobinB that shit looks like a rear veiw mirror Nov 13 19:07:56 "shippable" != "good" in a lot of ways Nov 13 19:07:57 just some intel prototype. not sure what it's for :) Nov 13 19:08:54 id be happy to work on making the ui great for nontouchscreens, i can start work on monday after the dev lab in ny :) Nov 13 19:09:53 ha Nov 13 19:11:02 ctate: well the non-touch UI problem really is the lockscreen and Home currently (well at least in Home you can still launch apps and create stuff on the workspace, just not move/delete things) Nov 13 19:11:24 i'm not convinced that we have proper nontouch interaction in all apps. Nov 13 19:11:30 i'm looking at you, 2.0 Gallery Nov 13 19:11:33 romain: but whats to say you have to use that home screen anyway Nov 13 19:13:08 exactly Nov 13 19:13:15 my point is that the UI mostly works without touch Nov 13 19:13:21 oh, the 2.0 gallery *is* usable via dpad-equivalent. nice. Nov 13 19:13:25 it's just small fixes here and there Nov 13 19:18:46 is anyone currently attempting a RhodiumW project? Nov 13 19:19:24 can i get the adp2 batteyr cover somehow Nov 13 19:19:28 without buying the device Nov 13 19:22:47 mikedg-blau: i wonder whether you can buy a new backplate from T-Mobile Nov 13 19:22:54 it's the MyTouch hw after all Nov 13 19:23:26 oh thats the default mytouch backplate? Nov 13 19:23:33 i dunno about default Nov 13 19:23:37 i thought you just wanted *somethign* Nov 13 19:23:47 oh, i like the little android peaking around it Nov 13 19:23:50 lol Nov 13 19:24:06 yeah :) Nov 13 19:25:59 what significantly different phones are out know Nov 13 19:26:44 droid has the giant vga screen and flash, adp1/2 had run of the mill screens w/ and w/o keyboards Nov 13 19:26:57 tattoo has the tiny screen and front facing dpad Nov 13 19:27:11 i suppose i should pick up an archos Nov 13 19:27:23 to toy with a non phone thingamajig Nov 13 19:27:41 Nook Nov 13 19:27:42 :) Nov 13 19:27:56 ooh yeah, forgot about the nook next month, any word on whether theres an appstore? Nov 13 19:28:05 i have no idea Nov 13 19:28:20 i wanted to be able to develop on my kindle so bad Nov 13 19:28:29 without voiding the warranty and dissecting it Nov 13 19:31:44 * mikedg-blau eagerly awaits the nook Nov 13 19:59:14 \\o]] Nov 13 19:59:35 guess who is here via his new $14 usd phatt battery hehe.. Nov 13 19:59:49 seems to be charging faster than g1's oem too.. Nov 13 20:00:01 albeit prolly not accurate.. Nov 13 20:00:39 pondering if i shall need to run the battery calibration bits again perhaps to get g1 to recognize it proper electronically.. Nov 13 20:14:10 this verizon droid is working just fine without activation Nov 13 20:14:37 all you have to do is crash the activation program, and then dial ##PROGRAM and put in a fake MIN/MDN Nov 13 20:14:44 lol Nov 13 20:14:50 how do u crash it Nov 13 20:14:56 no-contract PDA, or you can switch it to sprint or whatever Nov 13 20:15:17 i held my finger on the green android and started pressing buttons on the keyboard Nov 13 20:15:22 i think # was what crashed it Nov 13 20:15:30 was trying to punch in ##PROGRAM Nov 13 20:18:22 i dont think youll have any luck switching to sprint Nov 13 20:19:03 it all depends on if they are willing to accept the MEID Nov 13 20:19:08 the phone itself is willing and able Nov 13 20:19:31 can you buy one with the contract? Nov 13 20:19:36 i changed the SID myself from 2004 to my local verizon SID to get rid of the roaming triangle Nov 13 20:19:42 i could have just as easily put in a sprint SID Nov 13 20:19:45 yeah from walmart Nov 13 20:20:02 assuming you meant without Nov 13 20:20:08 ach yes, i meant without Nov 13 20:20:09 thx Nov 13 20:20:18 verizon corporate stores wont let you, but i think they are the only ones who care Nov 13 20:20:26 even amazon will do it Nov 13 20:20:49 im going to put it on pageplus later, prepaid droid :) Nov 13 20:20:55 and on the verizon network Nov 13 20:21:57 its working great right now over wifi Nov 13 20:22:41 on the market, google voice, everything but voice naturally, since the MIN/MDN are garbage I made up to trick the phone into thinking it was activated Nov 13 20:22:51 just have to use wifi for now Nov 13 20:23:17 er i already said that :) Nov 13 20:23:26 too happy about the phone i guess Nov 13 20:24:15 lol good for you Nov 13 20:25:54 glad you like the phone. we were pretty happy about getting onto higher-end hardware :) Nov 13 20:26:24 and a higher end network :) Nov 13 20:26:38 so is there a good user guide for the more technically inclined? Nov 13 20:26:53 im trying to install an app right now and want to deny network access to it, and i dont seem to be able to Nov 13 20:27:05 punkass: then don't install the app Nov 13 20:27:07 wondering if the developer is giving me an all or nothing - it is ad supported after all Nov 13 20:27:11 you can't selectively remove permissions Nov 13 20:27:17 on any app Nov 13 20:27:18 ==KNY Nov 13 20:27:19 ah :( Nov 13 20:27:24 you're told what the app has claimed it needs Nov 13 20:27:30 yeah its all or nothing' Nov 13 20:27:40 because hey, if it didn't need all of them it wouldn't claim them Nov 13 20:27:46 punkass: or just deal with the ads. Writing apps isn't easy or free. Nov 13 20:27:57 * bnovc scrolled through like 6 pages of games on market yesterday to find a free one...then it wanted phone permission so i didn't install it Nov 13 20:28:00 punkass: and a higher end network :) <-- Please explain to me how a CDMA network is possibly higher end? Nov 13 20:28:20 because CDMA vs GSM doesn't dictate quality of the network at all? Nov 13 20:28:23 bnovc: you know you can filter the Market to only show Free apps, right? Nov 13 20:28:36 im more creeped out about giving it network access, if I could specify only allowing http access to it's ad server that would be fine with me, but i know features like this are not for the average user Nov 13 20:28:52 Decavolt: where? Nov 13 20:28:53 dude what do you think hes doing Nov 13 20:28:57 downloading kiddy porn to your phone Nov 13 20:29:12 RyeBrye: it all depends on where you live, everything is CDMA these days anyway (GSM 3G) but here in the USA, GSM coverage is weak Nov 13 20:29:33 bnovc: menu -> view used to work Nov 13 20:29:38 so much for "Global Standard for Mobile telephony" Nov 13 20:29:44 any way to launch applications using voice commands? Nov 13 20:29:54 ideally I'd want to be able to invoke maps navigation through voice Nov 13 20:29:58 i don't have a phone thats bootable w/market on it right now but i thought that didn't exist Nov 13 20:30:00 and select a destination without having to touch my phone Nov 13 20:30:07 if you live in certain areas, AT&T and T-Mobile are probably great, but where I live (and most of the country) 3G coverage is pretty bad Nov 13 20:30:07 Plagman_: hm, the car dock app does that, doesn't it? Nov 13 20:30:13 on the droid Nov 13 20:30:16 I don't think I have this app Nov 13 20:30:24 it's only the Droid Nov 13 20:30:27 is it purely voice or do you have to press buttons? Nov 13 20:30:41 you need to press a button once Nov 13 20:30:45 i haven't played with it much. it appears automatically when you put the phone in the car dock. Nov 13 20:30:53 and select your choice if its unsure Nov 13 20:31:13 Verizon is probably great if you don't switch phones frequently... but the lack of SIM cards is a clear downside Nov 13 20:31:16 ctate: which model do you use as a personal phone (or unrelased one?) Nov 13 20:31:21 *released Nov 13 20:31:29 i actually still use a G1 Nov 13 20:31:33 mikedg-blau: yeah i know its probably fine, but im more just interested in the permissions thing in general Nov 13 20:31:40 so e.g., your phone is in the car dock, then you press a button, say 'navigate to 123 address' and it navigates? Nov 13 20:31:47 on account of wanting to keep my number and plan and all Nov 13 20:31:59 i'm slowly moving towards switching to GV Nov 13 20:32:02 i went back to my g1 after using the pre for a few months Nov 13 20:32:07 ctate: that's why I switched to GV Nov 13 20:32:11 i siwtch phones and SIMs frequently Nov 13 20:32:14 yeah Nov 13 20:32:19 it'll work much better for me once I do Nov 13 20:32:31 RyeBrye: I actually love the no sim cards part of CDMA, any CDMA phone can handle 2 providers without a hitch, and many can handle an infinite number of them with a little work, no dual sim card hacks necessary Nov 13 20:32:33 does goog let you use your work testing plan for personal calls Nov 13 20:33:27 RyeBrye: and switching phones is as easy as an ESN swap on a web site. if someone steals your phone, you aren't waiting for a new SIM to be mailed to you either Nov 13 20:33:31 pretty much yeah, but not international Nov 13 20:33:51 punkass: Ok, let me see you get your Droid to work with more carriers than just Verizon Nov 13 20:35:29 RyeBrye: dial ##PROGRAM and use 000000 for your SPC Nov 13 20:35:39 RyeBrye: the SID is what decides which network you are on Nov 13 20:35:56 ctate: same. I don't worry too much about it since I don't call people much aynway and use GV for SMS Nov 13 20:36:01 * ctate nods. Nov 13 20:36:13 although it appears that the droid is single NAM, which is rare and a software issue Nov 13 20:36:23 google should dictate that full google experience phones are dual NAM :( Nov 13 20:36:29 im out guys Nov 13 20:37:14 but I guarantee RyeBrye if I went down to Cricket and asked them to activate this, they would have no problem with me doing it Nov 13 20:37:25 is Cricket a VZW reseller? Nov 13 20:37:34 afaik the main issue I would have with them is that you need to use an http proxy to use the internet Nov 13 20:37:38 no, but they are CDMA Nov 13 20:37:48 They are a CDAMA network Nov 13 20:38:10 I would actually be very interested in seeing someone using a droid on cricket Nov 13 20:38:32 verizon has a bad rap for locking GPS and everything, but their phones are always unlocked (carrier unlocked) Nov 13 20:38:36 as in they have an SPC of 000000 Nov 13 20:38:48 so you can always bring them to other networks Nov 13 20:38:51 (does sprint actually support dual NAM devices? i see some indications that maybe they don't) Nov 13 20:39:05 sprint locks their SPC's Nov 13 20:39:23 ctate: that's not really the issue, NAM is like a virtual sim card Nov 13 20:39:31 punkass: all I'm getting out of what you're saying is "here's a list of bullshit you don't have to deal with if you use GSM" Nov 13 20:39:43 heh Nov 13 20:40:03 if NAM1 is programmed for Verizon, it connects to a verizon tower, if NAM2 is for sprint/cricket, you can switch to NAM2 and it goes to that tower and programming Nov 13 20:40:40 KNY: because GSM phones are never locked? I am interested in discussing different cell technologies, but please let's not turn this into a stupid fight :( Nov 13 20:41:49 yea ctate, sprint does have phones with dual nam Nov 13 20:42:05 jeev: k Nov 13 20:42:18 but the important thing is, the cell tower has no idea if a phone is dual NAM, or which NAM is being used Nov 13 20:42:29 each NAM has a separate AKEY Nov 13 20:42:33 ctate: the hero on sprint seems to have 2 nam in it. I didn't understand what that setting was at all until this conversation Nov 13 20:42:46 aHA Nov 13 20:44:07 ctate, does google have a bunch of gaming pc's available to use there? Nov 13 20:44:17 screw gaming PCs Nov 13 20:44:23 we have REAL videogames. Nov 13 20:44:31 yea, games on PC are real video games Nov 13 20:44:33 the rest are wack Nov 13 20:44:47 ctate: real console system with controls that are so totally not designed for the games they make for them now :P Nov 13 20:45:00 consoles = nasty Nov 13 20:45:02 here in our building we have a Star Castle, Gravitar, Robotron 2048, Defender, Ikaruga, Crystal Castles, Defender Nov 13 20:45:06 and a couple of pinball tables Nov 13 20:45:09 haven't heard of any of them Nov 13 20:45:21 oh, and an Ultracade, which is essentially like a full-sized cabinet MAME machine Nov 13 20:45:40 haven't heard...? Nov 13 20:45:44 zomg :) Nov 13 20:45:46 not interested in pinball ;) Nov 13 20:45:59 pinball ftw Nov 13 20:46:03 ludde ftw Nov 13 20:46:06 Star Castle is a b/w vector graphics video game from ~ 1982 Nov 13 20:46:09 etc. Nov 13 20:46:16 nasty Nov 13 20:46:19 ctate, omg amazing, sound very retro... ikaruga... wow Nov 13 20:46:29 keny: Ikaruga is the newest of the bunch :) Nov 13 20:46:38 i'd never seen it before. it's gorgeous. Nov 13 20:46:42 and hard Nov 13 20:46:45 ikaruga on android??? Nov 13 20:46:47 modern warfare 2 is awesome, too bad they gayed up on multiplayer Nov 13 20:46:50 i know :) Nov 13 20:46:51 I have it on xbox Nov 13 20:46:59 had* Nov 13 20:47:06 TommyB: Ikaruga full-size cabinet arcade version. Nov 13 20:47:27 oh, we have a Pac-Man / Ms Pac-Man cocktail table, too. Nov 13 20:47:28 on android? Nov 13 20:47:30 where Nov 13 20:47:33 Some people I know run a club collecting machines that old. Playing pong (the real thing) and asteroids (the real thing) is an awesome experience everyone should have :) Nov 13 20:47:34 not on Android. Nov 13 20:47:35 at google Nov 13 20:47:41 ...I kid, I wish though Nov 13 20:47:41 in our building here we have a small arcade. Nov 13 20:47:42 that's in ctate's living root Nov 13 20:47:46 err, room* Nov 13 20:47:49 best game on earth = boulderdash Nov 13 20:47:51 ctate yeah I get it :) Nov 13 20:48:16 at this particular moment a few of the machines are not working, sigh. Nov 13 20:48:25 oh, we also have a Gottlieb Reactor machine Nov 13 20:48:29 which is apparently rather rare Nov 13 20:48:32 anyway Nov 13 20:48:35 ctate: can you get the android.com webmaster's attention? http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/security/security.html has a typo "requests can be handled by the operating in various ways", assuming that should be "operating system" Nov 13 20:48:40 i loved playing life force on NES, that game was huge Nov 13 20:48:47 i never know how to contact people at google about stuff like that Nov 13 20:48:50 punkass: known bug; it's in the works Nov 13 20:48:53 thanks Nov 13 20:49:11 oh thanks, i mentioned it a few days ago, didnt know it takes so long to fix :) Nov 13 20:49:16 lol Nov 13 20:49:34 punkass, with ping pong tables everywhere, would you think it'd ever be done ? Nov 13 20:49:41 the docs people are kind of busy Nov 13 20:49:48 heh Nov 13 20:50:08 hey does the system update feature REALLY check for updates Nov 13 20:50:10 jeev: sure, a good break makes working that much eaier Nov 13 20:50:12 easier Nov 13 20:50:15 or is it a fake thingy like the one on blackberry ;D Nov 13 20:50:49 it really does. Nov 13 20:51:37 ctate do you guys play beer pong at google? Nov 13 20:52:00 ew messy Nov 13 20:52:18 Beer pong is for college kids, we play vodka pong Nov 13 20:52:33 The games are much shorter. Nov 13 20:53:02 cbeust_: should play wine pong with super expensive wine Nov 13 20:53:52 That's how we learn to play pong in kindergarten in France Nov 13 20:53:54 lol Nov 13 20:53:55 cbeust_, well at least if you manage to reach the peak.... http://xkcd.com/323/ ;) Nov 13 20:54:01 cbeust_ vodka is lame Nov 13 20:54:07 be a man and play whiskey pong Nov 13 20:54:19 with FULL SIZED GLASSES fuck yeah Nov 13 20:54:43 oh my bad, you already said france, I didn't need the masculinity joke Nov 13 20:54:53 no effings ping pong ball touched my whisky Nov 13 20:55:01 eh. touches Nov 13 20:55:02 real men play poisoness snake venom pong Nov 13 20:55:22 true Nov 13 20:55:30 joink haha good call Nov 13 20:55:36 what whiskey? Nov 13 20:55:58 last one was laphroaig Nov 13 20:56:10 hmm never heard of it Nov 13 20:56:22 I stay with what I know; jameson Nov 13 20:56:30 joink likes whiskys you can chew, i see :) Nov 13 20:56:58 * ctate has, uh, more than a couple of bottles of whisky at home. and whiskey too. Nov 13 20:57:05 ctate: :) the taste is kinda unique Nov 13 20:57:12 haven't gotten the same from any other yet Nov 13 20:57:12 try lagavulin too :) Nov 13 20:57:18 ah. nice Nov 13 20:57:31 laphroaig tates like eating dirt Nov 13 20:57:38 don't waste your money Nov 13 20:57:39 peat, please. not dirt. :) Nov 13 20:57:42 Jameson does the job, but Macallan or Balvinnie are good, good stuff Nov 13 20:57:56 jclinton: I enjoy the taste :P Nov 13 20:58:00 there's peat and then there's laphroaig peat Nov 13 20:58:02 anyway, this should move over to #android-bar or #android-offtopic or something Nov 13 20:58:14 eh. oh yeah. sorry Nov 13 20:59:29 all the talk is just making ctate thirsty Nov 13 20:59:35 ctate you a big drinker? :P Nov 13 20:59:43 you calling me fat?! Nov 13 20:59:48 I was just about to say the same thing about me.. Think I'll nip a bit Nov 13 20:59:58 haha Nov 13 21:00:03 i have been known to enjoy the occasional wee dram, yes Nov 13 21:00:07 no I'm calling you an alcoholic :O Nov 13 21:00:28 if you enjoy the taste and not the drunkesness you're not an alchoholic Nov 13 21:00:34 when my wife and i got married, two different sets of our friends independently gave us $100+ bottles of scotch :) Nov 13 21:00:48 (Cadenhead FTW) Nov 13 21:00:49 wait, you're married? Nov 13 21:00:54 ... Nov 13 21:01:04 indeed. Nov 13 21:01:11 owned Nov 13 21:01:41 heh Nov 13 21:01:56 anybody got a droid and has some time to help me out testing something? Nov 13 21:02:37 tauno, sure Nov 13 21:04:03 may I pm you? Nov 13 21:04:07 sure Nov 13 21:06:24 so has anybody had the balls to dial ##PROGRAM and turn test mode on? I'm curious what it will enable, but being careful for now :) Nov 13 21:06:53 oh should have known, theres a youtube video about it Nov 13 21:06:57 should have googled before asking Nov 13 21:12:45 what's ##PROGRAM? Nov 13 21:14:47 ah that video was wrong, but actual test mode wasnt scary anyway Nov 13 21:15:01 pfn: cdma settings menu Nov 13 21:15:09 youtube video? Nov 13 21:15:23 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_jjiSG0IIU Nov 13 21:16:28 punkass: ever ran a G1 btw mate? Nov 13 21:16:57 no this is my first android phone Nov 13 21:16:59 is there anything interesting in there? Nov 13 21:17:18 pfn: probably not unless you are especially interested in the underlying tech Nov 13 21:17:42 i was just worried because I got stuck in test mode on another motorola phone before Nov 13 21:19:51 tech9iner: im sure others ue G1 though, did you have a question about it? Nov 13 21:20:05 ue=use Nov 13 21:21:37 punkass, google always has a way out :p Nov 13 21:22:32 well im sure this being an android phone helps, the phone i was talking about used a proprietary motorola OS, i think the same one the razr used Nov 13 21:22:37 test mode was messy Nov 13 21:22:59 it actually wrote to the screen while the os was Nov 13 21:23:05 directly Nov 13 21:25:07 Any g1 roms for 2.0 yet? Nov 13 21:25:15 "Google’s Chrome OS project, first announced in July, will become available for download within a week" :) Nov 13 21:25:25 little off-topic Nov 13 21:25:44 elitrix, no way that has to be on topic for an android room -_- Nov 13 21:25:45 I don't expect much out of it. Nov 13 21:26:22 yeah doesnt look so great... yet Nov 13 21:27:49 elitrix: Well, if it ends up being mostly a web frontend, I don't see it working out for me, anyhow. Nov 13 21:28:42 i can see a use for it tho.... most ppl would be just fine with _only_ a web browser Nov 13 21:28:47 with google docs and such Nov 13 21:28:57 that all most college students would really need Nov 13 21:29:05 well... and a way to sync those pesky ipods Nov 13 21:29:10 Most? I doubt it. Some, or in limited areas, then sure. Nov 13 21:29:21 I'm not saying it'd do badly, just that I wouldn't use it. Nov 13 21:29:40 well most as in non-comp sci / i.s. / i.t. majors Nov 13 21:29:52 punkass: no worries n no hurries mate.. just curious to hear personal comparisons tween g1 & android same person ;]] Nov 13 21:30:15 punkass: ideally 'wow.. droid = god to G1 hehe Nov 13 21:32:01 droid vs g1: worse keyboard, way better everything else. ;) Nov 13 21:32:06 IMO Nov 13 21:32:13 * ctate is not much of a fan of the Droid keyboard/dpad Nov 13 21:32:50 adp2 vs. adp1: way way way worse keyboard, marginally more flash Nov 13 21:33:10 :P Nov 13 21:33:20 lmao.. tx! ctate as always chum.. Nov 13 21:33:47 ctate, I can only agree :( Nov 13 21:33:49 thats wtf i wanna hear.. since im fan of osk 98%.. hw kybrd not be deal killer here Nov 13 21:34:02 ah Nov 13 21:34:09 ctate, but hey - at least it's not as bad as the white g1 keyboard :P Nov 13 21:34:11 xavd: You around yet? Nov 13 21:34:25 ctate: did you see the articles popping up about sound quality Nov 13 21:34:40 kann einer deutsch reden? Nov 13 21:34:42 kann einer deutsch reden? Nov 13 21:34:42 kann einer deutsch reden? Nov 13 21:34:49 ctate: http://bit.ly/4rX7B8 Nov 13 21:35:11 i mainly seek the much faster cpu in droid more than most anything else.. long w fact i used to be big fan of/user of ruggedized i355 motorola's n such in past business.. Nov 13 21:35:14 ctate: now can you talk about gizmo5? :P Nov 13 21:38:17 ..opened the gizmo5 homepage - the app looks like some old version of skype for windows Nov 13 21:38:52 gismo for the n800 was pretty cool (maemo) Nov 13 21:39:04 Well, that's basically what it is. VOIP on SIP, rather than Skype propritariness Nov 13 21:39:38 I mean the UI look :) Nov 13 21:40:04 how many differnt ways are there, to skin that cat? Nov 13 21:40:18 ..yeah, that's also true Nov 13 21:41:00 I'd rather be able to use SIP to my Google Voice account Nov 13 21:41:57 u can set ur gizmo account as a phone in gv Nov 13 21:42:09 use sipdroid Nov 13 21:42:15 thus free call-in number Nov 13 21:42:36 yeah -- but its not completely free Nov 13 21:42:39 ;) Nov 13 21:42:51 I can say, I really really really wanted to be on SIP. I thought there would be better/faster development on an open protocol Nov 13 21:43:12 But I ended up on Skype, because the sound quality was just plain better, and the hassles fewer Nov 13 21:43:18 punkass, I want to use sipdroid -- but just direct to GV. ;) Nov 13 21:43:36 Things may have changed since then. Nov 13 21:44:48 has a loss to write? Nov 13 21:44:48 has a loss to write? Nov 13 21:44:49 has a loss to write? Nov 13 21:45:35 kroot: what's up? Nov 13 21:46:03 wtf¿ Nov 13 21:46:21 Zero117: hanging keyboard lad? Nov 13 21:47:01 can someone help me? Nov 13 21:47:01 can someone help me? Nov 13 21:47:02 can someone help me? Nov 13 21:47:16 Zero117: no, stop repeating and stop PMing people Nov 13 21:47:46 sorry Nov 13 21:48:24 why don't you ask a question? Nov 13 21:48:35 lol @ hanging keyboard Nov 13 21:48:35 xavd: Are any archived copies of the 1.5 SDK available? I have an HTC RUU that only works with the pre-2.0 SDK drivers for some reason. Nov 13 21:48:35 also, next time you repeat 3 times I'm going to kick you :> Nov 13 21:49:19 xavd: Specifically I can't find the 1.0 version of the Android Bootloader Interface driver for Windows. Nov 13 21:49:21 kroot: yes Nov 13 21:49:36 kroot: the driver model changed in 1.6 to use winusb Nov 13 21:50:02 but I'm not sure why such a device wouldn't work with the new driver Nov 13 21:50:12 anyway, what packages do you want exactly? Nov 13 21:50:18 1.5_r3 windows? Nov 13 21:50:24 xavd: I think that should work. Nov 13 21:50:31 xavd: 1.6 is the first version that switched the drivers? Nov 13 21:50:38 yeah I think so Nov 13 21:50:39 one can speak German? Nov 13 21:52:02 Zero117: english please if possible. Nov 13 21:52:38 ah ok my english is very bad sorry ok Nov 13 21:52:51 we will try and understand what you say Nov 13 21:54:30 ok thank you very much Nov 13 21:57:58 * nickstolen pays deposit for geekphone and waits like a virgin on her first night out. Nov 13 22:00:29 how come the email system for the android is so bad Nov 13 22:00:36 it keeps alerting me new email when there isn't Nov 13 22:00:54 and i can't mark everything as read so it stops beeping Nov 13 22:01:16 i dont think i know anyone who uses the default e-mail app. Nov 13 22:01:25 whats a free app thats better Nov 13 22:01:27 sounds like yours is fubar. I haven't had that issue with my G1 and I've had it since launch. Nov 13 22:01:39 thta's a pretty glaring bug. Nov 13 22:01:52 or would be if it was an actual bug. Nov 13 22:02:08 I have infinitely more problems with the dialer flaking out on a regular basis. Nov 13 22:02:20 when i go to mark emails as read the list gets out of sync Nov 13 22:02:25 ugh Nov 13 22:02:34 am i the only one reading emails from my phone?? Nov 13 22:02:38 does GPS drain much battery if it's on but not used by any app? Nov 13 22:03:32 The-Compiler; no, not really Nov 13 22:03:50 if it's not used by any app it's not really on, is it? Nov 13 22:04:11 good to hear :) Nov 13 22:04:15 well, it is still technically ON, it just isn't transmitting Nov 13 22:04:18 The-Compiler: teh GPS is not turned on by the settings Nov 13 22:04:31 gps's don't transmit Nov 13 22:04:32 it is simply allowing apps to use it (and hence turning it on) Nov 13 22:04:51 okay, so the settings are just for paranoid people if they don't want any app to be able to use the gps Nov 13 22:04:54 :P Nov 13 22:04:59 how does an application register to capture keyboard events (particularly MEDIA key) events? Nov 13 22:05:02 pretty much Nov 13 22:05:06 besides from running the application? Nov 13 22:05:07 oops Nov 13 22:05:24 well it's kinda nice if you want to look at a map without forcing gps on if you aren't going to use it Nov 13 22:06:11 pfn: broadcast receiver maybe? Nov 13 22:06:18 don't know offhand, sorry : ( Nov 13 22:06:21 #android-dev Nov 13 22:07:43 not your fault, heh Nov 13 22:57:30 Is there a way to set an alarm for a future date/time? Nov 13 22:57:54 I don't want it to be a notification, I want it to keep going off like the alarm does Nov 13 22:57:54 savid: hmm, maybe using a calender event? Nov 13 22:58:38 The-Compiler, the calendar events just do a wimpy notification. This is an important reminder so I want it to keep sounding off until I "dismiss" it Nov 13 22:58:48 not sure if there's a way to do that, or if there's any apps for that Nov 13 22:59:31 use the Alarm Clock Nov 13 22:59:54 Looking for an app/widget that will toggle email notifications. I've been watching the Market for a while now but haven't seen anything that does this. Any suggestions? Nov 13 23:00:01 savid: well, Astrid (a task manager) has an "alarm mode" option for tasks, try that maybe. I've never used it but it might be exactly what you're searching Nov 13 23:00:12 ctate, the alarm clock doesn't allow me to do future dates Nov 13 23:01:26 possibly silly question, does anyone know if there is any truth to the rumor that dbus natively runs on Android 1.5+ (natively as in the operating system runs it with invocation by the user) Nov 13 23:02:14 is the htc dragon gona be in europe? Nov 13 23:04:47 hello folks :) Nov 13 23:15:39 AirMarshal: what? Nov 13 23:15:55 dbus is used for bluetooth I think that's all Nov 13 23:16:07 and it's system bus not session bus Nov 13 23:16:40 probably partly why there's no obex Nov 13 23:17:42 CyanogenMod has OBEX. :) Nov 13 23:18:57 I see, android doesn't have enough user controllable power management features Nov 13 23:19:33 gps should turn off if not used, with proper agps there's no real reason to keep it on Nov 13 23:20:31 Digital_Pioneer: open version? Nov 13 23:20:37 interesting Nov 13 23:20:43 crazy question... is there a way of moving the cursor besides tapping the screen? I can never seem to place the cursor at the character I need to fix. Nov 13 23:21:10 tmzt: Open? Not sure if it's open source or not.... Nov 13 23:21:26 BrianHV: wheel Nov 13 23:21:31 trackball? Nov 13 23:21:51 oh. non-droid phones have physical input devices? :) Nov 13 23:22:20 BrianHV: LOL, oh. The G1 has a trackball. Nov 13 23:22:34 The droid has a arrow-key-thing doens't it? Nov 13 23:22:51 not that I've noticed Nov 13 23:22:53 droid has a dpad right? Nov 13 23:23:08 wait. yes. Nov 13 23:23:19 brilliant. Nov 13 23:23:30 I forgot about it since I don't like the physical keyboard. Nov 13 23:23:41 you're collectively my new hero. Nov 13 23:23:53 heh Nov 13 23:24:06 * spikebike struts Nov 13 23:24:41 tmzt: the reason I ask is because I'm working on developing a cross-platform app that uses dbus as a bus, so as long as its already running I should be able to add listeners Nov 13 23:24:54 LOL, BrianHV Nov 13 23:25:13 native app? Nov 13 23:25:49 or ndk Nov 13 23:26:00 oh btw, someone once asked here why Binder in Android uses a driver, rather than just being built on userspace via unix domain sockets or some such Nov 13 23:26:07 and i have found out most of the answer: Nov 13 23:26:13 doing so allows us to avoid a copy. Nov 13 23:26:42 tmzt: hopefully not ndk, aiming for as much java as possible, but the low level network code needs to be independent of the top level interface as much as possible for development's sake Nov 13 23:27:28 tmzt: sorry, just realized that sentence didn't make sense. Aiming for independent low level network modules that can be dropped in dependent on platform that still communicate via dbus to the top level Nov 13 23:27:45 what's the point of dbus... Nov 13 23:27:53 I thought it's just for parts of gnome to talk to one another Nov 13 23:27:58 and for hal/automount crap Nov 13 23:29:03 not only gnome Nov 13 23:29:04 pfn: its an interprocess communication bus, so yes, it is used for that, but can theoretically be used for any two processes Nov 13 23:29:53 from java? Nov 13 23:29:59 so for example, empathy uses dbus to talk to telepathy, telepathy is the actual voip module, empathy is a gui (yes, oversimplified, but the gist of it) Nov 13 23:30:10 for most things use intents Nov 13 23:30:19 that's right Nov 13 23:30:33 mission-control actually Nov 13 23:30:48 the new website docs are quite nice for tp Nov 13 23:31:49 the problem is, with Intents, the code gets locked to Android Nov 13 23:34:01 It makes sense for a variety of reasons to decouple the OS-dependent and OS-independent parts of your code. For me, reason #1 is to run the OS-independent code on whichever OSes offer the best testing/debugging tools. Nov 13 23:34:33 that is an excellent point Nov 13 23:34:44 [debugging native code on Android is actually rather painful] Nov 13 23:37:05 just a little. Nov 13 23:37:20 i dunno, the segfault dumps in dmesg are nice Nov 13 23:37:29 but gdb would be nicer :P Nov 13 23:38:48 ctate: gdb server on the phone please :P Nov 13 23:39:53 jbq: nice if we had native as an option though Nov 13 23:40:05 just getting lcm support in c would be good Nov 13 23:40:10 lifecycle Nov 13 23:40:42 seems mozilla is putting a lot of effort into omap3 stuff Nov 13 23:40:48 including codecs Nov 13 23:41:01 but android support is going to be difficult Nov 13 23:41:38 listen Nov 13 23:41:44 anyway, anyone know why goog411 can't save to gv/gmail contacts? Nov 13 23:41:45 EXPLAIN when is the htc dragon coming Nov 13 23:41:55 isnt it just a hd2 with android installed Nov 13 23:42:24 * spikebike hasnt heard of the dragon Nov 13 23:42:50 but did read a hd2 review that liked it cept for windows Nov 13 23:43:13 heh Nov 13 23:43:15 typical. Nov 13 23:43:25 review picked hd2 hardware but the n900 software Nov 13 23:43:35 droid wa close Nov 13 23:43:41 was Nov 13 23:43:45 whats wrong with mindows mobiel Nov 13 23:44:04 everybody keeps saying the droid has no qualcomm chips in it Nov 13 23:44:06 http://www.phonewreck.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Droid40.jpg Nov 13 23:44:11 clunky, sometimes needed a stylus Nov 13 23:44:21 WOW Nov 13 23:44:29 styluses are still around? Nov 13 23:45:28 basically just not as advanced/integrated as android/n900 Nov 13 23:51:50 JesusFreke: hey, are there any new releases since 1.5? it seems like forever since I grabbed your firmware Nov 13 23:52:20 cj, he stopped releasing Nov 13 23:52:30 TommyB: ah Nov 13 23:52:36 cj switch to mainline or cyanogen Nov 13 23:52:37 was probably a lot of work ;) Nov 13 23:52:48 spikebike: alrighty... got a url? :) Nov 13 23:52:59 www.google.com Nov 13 23:53:05 ha, thanks. Nov 13 23:53:08 search cyanogen 3.2.4 Nov 13 23:53:18 err wait Nov 13 23:53:20 google cyanogen Nov 13 23:53:29 4.2.4 Nov 13 23:56:26 maybe I'll take a backup before I do the upgrade ;) Nov 13 23:57:13 is nandroid still the way to do this? Nov 13 23:57:29 if you have a recovery image with it, yes Nov 13 23:57:48 nandroid is the best way, fo sho Nov 13 23:57:58 sonofa Nov 13 23:58:06 hey there warewolf Nov 13 23:58:39 how the !@#$ does the navigation enabled maps detect the build fingerprint? Nov 13 23:58:59 I dedex'd the dex, and nothing immediately stands out as to what to change Nov 13 23:59:13 * warewolf mehs Nov 13 23:59:31 warewolf, use the update.zip on xda Nov 13 23:59:37 works great Nov 13 23:59:46 right, it futzes with the build props. Nov 14 00:00:01 warewolf: it doesn't, but google voice does apparently Nov 14 00:00:32 no, it does zinx Nov 14 00:00:38 I have to admit, I'm mucking around with this the "wrong" way intentionally Nov 14 00:00:38 e.g., not "flashing" the update.zip. Nov 14 00:00:40 and so does google voice Nov 14 00:00:53 I manually pushed the Maps.apk over, and _left the build props alone_ Nov 14 00:00:58 TommyB: no it doesn't Nov 14 00:01:20 note that the build 'fingerprint' is a well-defined thing, though Nov 14 00:01:20 ok kids, one of you two say "I know you are but what am I" and get it overwith :P Nov 14 00:01:34 it does read the build id, model, and device Nov 14 00:01:43 k Nov 14 00:01:52 (which are also well-defined and very specific things) Nov 14 00:01:55 your build.prop says nothing with droid in it? Nov 14 00:02:13 my build.prop/build.trout.prop are both from stock cyanogen 4.2.3.1 Nov 14 00:02:19 TommyB: -ro.build.fingerprint=tmobile/kila/dream/trout:1.6/DRC83/14721:user/ota-rel-keys,release-keys Nov 14 00:02:22 +ro.build.fingerprint=verizon/voles/sholes/sholes:2.0/ESD20/17572:user/ota-rel-keys,release-keys Nov 14 00:02:23 but you're missing the point Nov 14 00:02:25 er s/^Tommy: // Nov 14 00:03:15 k Nov 14 00:03:18 on the droid: id = ESD20, model = Droid, device = sholes, manufacturer = Motorola Nov 14 00:03:43 nooo Nov 14 00:03:47 htc makes the droid Nov 14 00:03:48 what i'm saying is that google maps/nav does not read the /fingerprint/, which is verizon/voles/sholes/sholes:2.0/ESD20/17572:user/ota-rel-keys,release-keys Nov 14 00:04:08 again, those are all very well-defined and non-ambiguous values Nov 14 00:04:50 oh, is it the display id then? Nov 14 00:04:54 -ro.build.display.id=DRC83 Nov 14 00:04:54 +ro.build.display.id=AOSP-1.6_r1.4-DRD20_v2.1.2 Nov 14 00:05:37 warewolf: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/Build.html#ID Nov 14 00:05:46 ^^ one of the things it reads Nov 14 00:07:20 anyway.. i'm not sure why it matters :/ Nov 14 00:07:34 oh, someone haxxing Nov 14 00:07:40 me :) Nov 14 00:07:42 this is probably not the best channel for that Nov 14 00:07:45 I'm haxxing Nov 14 00:08:50 * JesusFreke pounds TommyB on the back Nov 14 00:08:52 hack it up Nov 14 00:08:59 lol Nov 14 00:09:07 lots of interesting strings when dedex'd Nov 14 00:09:12 jesusfreke did I tell you I'm going to the dev lab on monday Nov 14 00:09:22 poor them. :D Nov 14 00:09:41 hahaha Nov 14 00:09:48 I didn't think id get in :( Nov 14 00:10:03 they'll have to wear sunglasses when peering at your shoes Nov 14 00:10:25 hahaha hmm should I wear the orange shoes? Nov 14 00:10:43 you could get some fivefingers. Nov 14 00:10:50 no sir Nov 14 00:11:37 "MapShop maps not supported yet." # interesting Nov 14 00:11:40 what if they came in orange? Nov 14 00:11:57 still not a chance Nov 14 00:12:04 they're hideous Nov 14 00:13:16 so when does the htc dragon get released? Nov 14 00:13:18 any info ? Nov 14 00:13:26 never Nov 14 00:13:32 june 2012 Nov 14 00:13:49 does anyone know if there is a way to make 'silent mode' still have vibrate? Nov 14 00:13:57 uh? Nov 14 00:13:59 doesnt it anyway? Nov 14 00:14:04 settings Nov 14 00:14:10 TommyB: how? Nov 14 00:14:14 sound and display Nov 14 00:14:14 what phoen u got Nov 14 00:14:15 I have vibration enabled Nov 14 00:14:17 vibrate Nov 14 00:14:17 Droid Nov 14 00:14:21 well then ur phone is broke Nov 14 00:14:32 oh, and it still doesn't? then use vibrate mode Nov 14 00:14:46 why not just manually shake your phone instead? Nov 14 00:14:56 much less assle, plus you can lose weight dong it Nov 14 00:15:09 TommyB: thats a real pita seeing as I can't do it from the lock screen Nov 14 00:15:10 and save battery life Nov 14 00:15:19 surely someone else has had this issue Nov 14 00:15:25 Nope. you're the only one. Nov 14 00:15:27 vulcan neither can I :) Nov 14 00:15:42 hah well idk then man Nov 14 00:16:02 I do it like normal people, unlock the phone and hit down on the rocker Nov 14 00:16:09 so, has the droid been rooted yet? :-) Nov 14 00:16:13 not yet Nov 14 00:16:18 it coudl take awhile Nov 14 00:16:35 I thought there were enough monkeys on the internet that it'd be done on day 1 :-) Nov 14 00:16:39 the cliq and the droid are more locked down than the HTC and Samsung devices were Nov 14 00:16:40 we gotta root it and change the silent to vibrate in the unlock screen Nov 14 00:16:48 yeah Nov 14 00:16:51 we do Nov 14 00:16:55 http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid/ someone here probbaly Nov 14 00:16:55 noahdroid: there's a slight chance that motorola may have left the ability to re-flash the system enabled Nov 14 00:16:56 search the forums Nov 14 00:17:05 vulc4n, its not that, they're just more recent Nov 14 00:17:05 but #android-root would be a better place Nov 14 00:17:14 the kernel exploits have been patched Nov 14 00:17:17 yeah Nov 14 00:17:17 ==zinx. #android-root for that sort of thing please Nov 14 00:17:19 that too Nov 14 00:17:22 http://droid.where.com/index.html Nov 14 00:17:31 hmm, what is this that 10-25% of all android devices installs this? Nov 14 00:17:35 ctate I dun wanna :( Nov 14 00:17:37 right, thanks Nov 14 00:18:02 zinx: are you just throwing that out there or have yo uactually seen evidence to support that? Nov 14 00:22:41 does anyone here have access to a pre release htc dragon? Nov 14 00:22:55 i'd greatly appreciate it if you could send a few photos of it and give a video review, thanks Nov 14 00:22:59 i'm sure someone does Nov 14 00:23:12 but if nothing like that has been released, i'd also assume they're under NDA Nov 14 00:23:34 ya, Nov 14 00:23:36 its called a leak Nov 14 00:23:50 point is, no one has to say "it was me who made the video review!" Nov 14 00:23:54 could be just an annonymous one Nov 14 00:23:58 just sayin' Nov 14 00:24:13 haha you're a clown Nov 14 00:24:22 btw, they said the 16gb sd card that came with the droid is class 6, but mine's only class 2. Nov 14 00:24:32 what does that maen Nov 14 00:24:35 if engadget, bgr, etc can't get leaks like that, why would anyone trust some random tard on irc Nov 14 00:24:36 ditto Nov 14 00:24:38 what's that mean Nov 14 00:24:44 lol Nov 14 00:25:00 where u think engadget bgr gets the leaks from? Nov 14 00:25:11 u think some randomer just emails videso to them Nov 14 00:25:13 not random people on irc Nov 14 00:25:26 only certain, non irc random people Nov 14 00:25:36 lol Nov 14 00:25:51 they have connections, I'm not going to debate this with you though Nov 14 00:25:55 connections? Nov 14 00:26:07 good luck getting your dragon video review Nov 14 00:26:17 i have plenty of connections Nov 14 00:26:30 google is my main connection Nov 14 00:26:30 cool, get a review from them and stfu Nov 14 00:26:35 lollll Nov 14 00:26:45 anyways Nov 14 00:26:57 is google releasing an android phone Nov 14 00:27:05 does google make any hardware Nov 14 00:27:28 <[mbm]> pretyt sure google would rather someone else make the hardware Nov 14 00:27:41 google has said that they do not wish to make any hardware Nov 14 00:28:01 and they rightfully shouldn't Nov 14 00:28:07 being an OEM is its own special world :) Nov 14 00:28:08 so those rumors were false? Nov 14 00:34:00 hey? Nov 14 00:43:31 hurm... what goes in {partition} here? Nov 14 00:43:35 fastboot flash {partition} {file.img} Nov 14 00:43:44 (this from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=459830) Nov 14 00:44:24 boot/recovery/system/data Nov 14 00:44:31 cache Nov 14 00:44:36 maybe others. those are the main ones Nov 14 00:44:51 alrighty. so the same thing as nandroid makes Nov 14 00:46:25 right. except for data Nov 14 00:46:36 one is user-data or userdata or something, and the other is data Nov 14 00:46:52 I don't remember if nandroid uses userdata and fastboot uses data for the partition name, or vice versa Nov 14 00:47:12 or maybe newer versions fixed that. *shrug* Nov 14 00:53:27 has google made any statements on when 2.0 source will be released? Nov 14 00:53:28 did I lose all of my apps when switching from your firmware to cyanogen, I wonder? Nov 14 01:00:39 so why isn't barcode scanner included with android by default, it seems so... essential Nov 14 01:01:54 peepsalot: http://twitter.com/cyanogen Nov 14 01:02:41 pfn because it gets updated more often than android? Nov 14 01:03:15 does the radio install normally spend 10 minutes telling me "Formatting CACHE" ? Nov 14 01:04:08 spikebike, no way to "oem" components? Nov 14 01:04:21 pfn: cuz some people dont use it (like me!) Nov 14 01:05:20 pfn I suspect 90% of android users would never use it Nov 14 01:07:19 it's been saying "Build:CyanogenMod v1.4 + JF\nFormatting CACHE:..." for 15 minutes now. should I re-start the process or leave it be? Nov 14 01:09:04 spikebike, I don't think that's true Nov 14 01:09:17 if people browse a product (app) website from their computer and want to install it on android Nov 14 01:09:32 then they need to go back to the phone to search? pita, barcode scanner almost makes it a 1-step Nov 14 01:09:35 which is really nice Nov 14 01:13:46 pfn: you can download and install apk files directly from sites too Nov 14 01:14:06 yeah, barcode scanner makes it easier Nov 14 01:14:10 can I use nandroid to recover the apps and desktop setup I had prior to upgrading to cyanogen? Nov 14 01:14:11 snap a barcode and go straight to the url Nov 14 01:14:19 i haven't investigated it but i'd be surprised if the default browser doesn't accept some special protocal Nov 14 01:14:31 bnovc, the pain in the ass is typing it in by hand Nov 14 01:14:35 *protocol Nov 14 01:14:38 pname: Nov 14 01:14:43 pfn: oh something you browsed on your desktop i guess? Nov 14 01:14:49 http://qrcode.kaywa.com/ Nov 14 01:14:50 ctate, wow, it just happened 23 minutes ago? Nov 14 01:14:51 i was thinking phone browser Nov 14 01:14:51 bnovc, that's what I said Nov 14 01:14:53 best thing ever Nov 14 01:14:58 17:09 if people browse a product (app) website from their computer and want to install it on android Nov 14 01:15:02 "from their computer" Nov 14 01:15:10 find a link to an apk Nov 14 01:15:13 plug it in there Nov 14 01:15:14 scan it Nov 14 01:15:14 ya, i guess that's inconvinient Nov 14 01:15:18 done Nov 14 01:15:18 pfn: that or `adb install` Nov 14 01:15:19 b0lt, google has their own thing in chart apis Nov 14 01:15:30 bnovc, that's too technical Nov 14 01:15:39 it also requires you to plug in your phone Nov 14 01:15:46 b0lt, ditto that Nov 14 01:15:50 I don't have a micro usb cable at work yet Nov 14 01:15:57 i keep losing mine :| Nov 14 01:15:59 or ssh to it over wifi Nov 14 01:16:06 i had 4 when i got my hero Nov 14 01:16:08 i'm down to 2 Nov 14 01:16:09 not all android devices have ssh Nov 14 01:16:12 i have no idea where the other ones went Nov 14 01:16:13 sshd Nov 14 01:16:21 I ordered like 3 or 4 more microusb cables Nov 14 01:16:27 i'd agree that scanning a barcode is a lot easier though Nov 14 01:16:30 like 1 10 footer, and 2 or 3 3footers Nov 14 01:16:42 i keep nabbing those from work so i have a lot laying around Nov 14 01:16:42 bnovc, yeah, that's why I posed my original Q Nov 14 01:16:53 monoprice was cheap Nov 14 01:16:57 so I just ordered a few from them Nov 14 01:17:21 i'm considering making a dock into my desk Nov 14 01:17:28 but i'm terrible with power tools Nov 14 01:17:30 hm, twitter's css files are missing :\ Nov 14 01:17:44 why would work have a bunch of micro-usb cables Nov 14 01:17:46 bnovc: they're included and the http response didn't come back. reload Nov 14 01:17:46 they're so damn uncommon Nov 14 01:17:50 except for blackberries, maybe Nov 14 01:18:20 sooooooooo, eclair is open source now, woot Nov 14 01:18:27 oh yeah, is there any sort of soap api for android? Nov 14 01:18:29 * zinx hugs jbq Nov 14 01:18:31 eclair is 2.0? Nov 14 01:18:49 jbq: and that's for pushing it, i know a lot of people worked on it :D Nov 14 01:18:53 cj: did several times. it was down for a couple mins Nov 14 01:19:50 cj: eclair is the tree 2.0 was built from, aye Nov 14 01:20:06 (well, not /exactly/ for carrier devices, but w/e) Nov 14 01:20:31 Yes, this is eclair (the engineering tree), not 2.0. Nov 14 01:21:22 * bnovc wonders what interesting things could be backported to 1.6 Nov 14 01:24:59 where's the best way to learn how to develop? Nov 14 01:25:18 interesting sentence Nov 14 01:25:23 online Nov 14 01:25:34 in a dark basement Nov 14 01:25:34 if you want to learn about Android development, there are introductory tutorials on their website to start Nov 14 01:25:53 bk_Android how much do you know about developing right now Nov 14 01:26:25 very little Nov 14 01:26:51 in C++ that is Nov 14 01:27:00 most Android development is in Java Nov 14 01:27:09 aghast ok Nov 14 01:27:20 then a little Nov 14 01:27:51 ... Nov 14 01:27:58 lol Nov 14 01:28:14 let's say none then Nov 14 01:30:49 i suggest learning another language first, like python Nov 14 01:31:26 because people who learn java as a first language (in my experience) tend to never learn another langauge Nov 14 01:31:44 and i hate those people Nov 14 01:32:17 * RobinB seconds learning Python Nov 14 01:33:35 sprink: learning python from java really isn't a move in the right direction Nov 14 01:33:50 why not? Nov 14 01:34:08 for embedded development? Nov 14 01:34:23 what does that have to do with anything? Nov 14 01:34:30 he wants to develop for android Nov 14 01:34:33 python doesn't help at all Nov 14 01:34:37 that is a pretty tangant exercise for someone wanting to develop android Nov 14 01:34:40 i agree Nov 14 01:35:03 just because you ancedotally see many people who start in Java stay there... Nov 14 01:36:13 great. java people Nov 14 01:36:24 * sprink hides Nov 14 01:37:07 haha i'm not a big fan of java Nov 14 01:37:46 bk_Android: in my honest opinion, learning a easier language first will be best for you, then switching to java once you get the basics of programming in your head Nov 14 01:38:29 or you can just jump write into android dev with java and possibly save some time, but it'll be a lot tougher ride, imo Nov 14 01:38:41 right* Nov 14 01:38:48 the problem with python is that it has all sorts of stuff that's either nonexistent or really hard to do in java/c++/etc Nov 14 01:38:51 yea Nov 14 01:38:56 im learning python as my first language Nov 14 01:38:58 PYTHON Nov 14 01:38:59 well not "hard to do", just not the easiest way to do something Nov 14 01:39:10 like list comprehensions Nov 14 01:39:42 b0lt: but its a very easy langauge for someone who has zero experience Nov 14 01:39:57 it's a great language for introduction into programming in general Nov 14 01:39:58 all humans start with baby steps Nov 14 01:39:58 the Facebook app sucks imo Nov 14 01:40:04 but i don't think it transitions into java very well Nov 14 01:40:15 java isn't that bad to start on, really Nov 14 01:40:31 automatic garbage collection, and a ridiculously huge library Nov 14 01:40:55 exactly why its bad to start on, the library is fucking massive Nov 14 01:41:27 it's not like you need to know everything in it :P Nov 14 01:41:32 its not as simple as python and the library is massive Nov 14 01:42:00 but it's pretty much the only language that you can develop on android with Nov 14 01:42:01 b0lt: how can you say your not a fan of java and make such recommendations Nov 14 01:42:07 i dont believe you Nov 14 01:42:08 lol Nov 14 01:42:11 Python is not that simple Nov 14 01:42:17 it's easy to learn (like Java) Nov 14 01:42:33 but Python has its own share of weird things and complicated features :p Nov 14 01:42:35 java has all sorts of stupidities Nov 14 01:42:42 also, the library is a mess Nov 14 01:42:51 pfft Nov 14 01:43:02 @ romainguy Nov 14 01:43:03 btw I love Python Nov 14 01:43:06 but Nov 14 01:43:08 like Integer vs int, but String being its own magical thing Nov 14 01:43:12 what you're saying is misleading :) Nov 14 01:43:15 also generic arays Nov 14 01:43:16 arrays Nov 14 01:43:40 you'd think "T[] foo = new T[5];" should work Nov 14 01:44:16 nope you have to make an array of objects and cast it Nov 14 01:44:17 romainguy: atleast i state what i say is a opinion Nov 14 01:44:30 b0lt: there are good reasons why it doesn't Nov 14 01:46:44 there are ways to make it typesafe though Nov 14 01:47:18 I heart python Nov 14 01:47:23 coz its the only language i know Nov 14 01:47:31 shaeme its not a compile thing Nov 14 01:47:35 it doesnt compile Nov 14 01:47:50 so it means that if u write something in python, the person can reverse engineer it to get the code Nov 14 01:48:35 java can be disassembled into more or less readable code, and python can be compiled to byte code Nov 14 01:49:12 i didnt know u can compile python Nov 14 01:50:31 what would cause a textview to redraw multiple times when append() is called? Nov 14 01:50:52 shouldnt it be only once during each appedn? Nov 14 01:51:14 No Nov 14 01:51:18 Who are you to judge me? Nov 14 01:53:21 HERBY! what went wrong with lindsay lohan ?? Nov 14 01:54:27 hi, can anybody help me out with google maps ? Nov 14 01:54:43 her herpes finally spreaded to her brain. were almost free guys! Nov 14 01:55:20 thank god Nov 14 01:55:23 ibib: ask. dont ask to ask. Nov 14 01:55:36 hi, can anybody help me out with google maps ? can you show me a screenshot of parts of israel in the MAP (not sattalie) view mode ? Nov 14 01:58:25 i am wondering if israeli on the android is just a big grey area like in the iphone Nov 14 01:58:35 or if the android has roads and stuff (like the desktop version of google apps does) Nov 14 01:58:44 can anybody check it out for me ? Nov 14 01:58:57 Anyone know if there is a setting to say 'clear notifications after rtead?' Nov 14 01:59:16 Ever since I installed handcent, the messsage notifications for sms essages has to be manually cleared Nov 14 01:59:44 i am not checking anything on israel, they'll get my ip and make me a patzi like the hijackers on 9/11 Nov 14 02:00:53 ibib: yep there are roads Nov 14 02:00:57 and satellite imagery Nov 14 02:01:18 sat yeah Nov 14 02:02:13 jeev, funny Nov 14 02:02:38 but true, sad.. eh Nov 14 02:02:47 i wana create a cartoon version of me Nov 14 02:02:54 lol herby Nov 14 02:02:57 sad indeed (That you think this) Nov 14 02:03:10 ibib, all evidence points to it.. people are just blind. Nov 14 02:03:18 im not blind Nov 14 02:03:34 9/11 was actually perpetrated by scientologists Nov 14 02:03:40 the planes were really incarnations of xenu Nov 14 02:03:45 crazy Nov 14 02:03:54 Herby: im going to fill you full of stale fuel Nov 14 02:04:10 9/11= 0.818181818 Nov 14 02:04:21 8th letter of alphabet is H Nov 14 02:04:23 1st is A Nov 14 02:04:25 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Nov 14 02:04:32 lol Nov 14 02:04:34 ... i got nothin, folks Nov 14 02:04:37 herby, are you on crack Nov 14 02:04:41 9/11/2001=0.000408886466 Nov 14 02:04:47 0th letter is A Nov 14 02:05:06 no Nov 14 02:05:10 0th letter is Nov 14 02:05:11 A.AAAEAIIIGEGG Nov 14 02:05:14 9 + 11 = 20 Nov 14 02:05:23 thats how old i was 4 years ago Nov 14 02:05:25 sounds like the firmware to a seagate hard drive Nov 14 02:06:07 dont you think its odd that 9+11 = 20 and 20 is lower than the numer of people that died as a result of the terrorist attacks? I think so too. And it just happens that george w bush is over 20 years old? Nov 14 02:06:39 I'm over 20 years old Nov 14 02:06:42 I must be george bush Nov 14 02:06:43 i want a full sized qwerty keyboard on my next phone Nov 14 02:06:49 lol Nov 14 02:06:52 you're all on crack Nov 14 02:06:52 tired of tiny shity keyboards Nov 14 02:06:55 less than 20 people died as a result? wtf lol Nov 14 02:06:57 Herby, same here Nov 14 02:07:12 sprik try reading again Nov 14 02:07:26 the weirdest part is this all happened after 20 AD Nov 14 02:07:28 oh Nov 14 02:07:34 im dumb :( Nov 14 02:07:40 its ok, many people overlook it Nov 14 02:07:58 now do you see how its all bush's fault ? Nov 14 02:08:01 lol Nov 14 02:08:10 it's all my fault :( Nov 14 02:08:13 haha Nov 14 02:08:23 anybody knows which google URL does google maps communicate with google servers on the android ? Nov 14 02:08:35 Herby: but what else floats? :D Nov 14 02:08:41 ibib, i saw it the other day.. if i see it again i'll tell you Nov 14 02:08:50 saw where? Nov 14 02:09:02 i think uinder google maps Nov 14 02:09:17 click more, then about Nov 14 02:09:23 i dont have a device :| Nov 14 02:09:24 when will android support usb hosting Nov 14 02:09:26 it shows it all the way at the bottom Nov 14 02:09:29 I WANT ANSWERS NOW. Nov 14 02:09:39 http://mobilemaps.clients.google.com/glm/mmap Nov 14 02:09:42 Herby MEVER Nov 14 02:09:47 thanks Nov 14 02:09:59 no prob Nov 14 02:10:03 What Nov 14 02:10:11 it needs hosting so i can plug in stuff into it and do stuff Nov 14 02:10:21 wouldnt that be fun? Nov 14 02:10:37 Has anybody done a decent write up about Android? How the boot process works. How the Dalvik framework starts, etc? Nov 14 02:10:37 blog posts would be great too Nov 14 02:10:49 I don't mean app level stuff. I want a walkthrough of the source tree. Nov 14 02:10:51 jeev: do you know what user-agent the android google maps uses when it IDs itself on the servers ? Nov 14 02:11:35 nope Nov 14 02:11:43 i'd have to wifi and sniff Nov 14 02:11:48 happen to have a network sniffer to check ? Nov 14 02:11:50 or vpn, can't right now Nov 14 02:11:52 which uses more battery Nov 14 02:11:54 WIFI or 3G Nov 14 02:11:59 maybe within the hour Nov 14 02:12:06 Herby: wifi Nov 14 02:12:06 Herby, they say they use equal amount Nov 14 02:12:17 a lot of people were saying that wifi uses less Nov 14 02:12:27 this goes against my knowledge database Nov 14 02:12:31 now i want numbers to prove it Nov 14 02:12:36 * Herby numbers solve all problems Nov 14 02:12:54 * sprink just assumed wifi since it had much higher data speeds Nov 14 02:12:56 i wonder if anyone in the world's first name is 'droid' Nov 14 02:13:05 wifi router is much closer though Nov 14 02:13:07 or anyone in america.. sicne droid may be a real name in another language/country Nov 14 02:13:10 rather than sending miles away Nov 14 02:13:14 it sends meters Nov 14 02:13:44 Herby: but your phone is recieving not transmitting Nov 14 02:13:59 wait. wt Nov 14 02:14:04 im going to sleep Nov 14 02:14:12 * sprink goes to sleep Nov 14 02:14:17 :o Nov 14 02:14:29 anybody can start up a network sniffer, and see what google maps on android sends to google ? (a raw dump of the request/response) ? Nov 14 02:15:08 isn't that API actually published? Nov 14 02:15:29 where ? Nov 14 02:15:40 i think thats part of the close "google experience" crap, no ? Nov 14 02:15:52 wasabi: no, it's not Nov 14 02:15:58 wasabi: google has lots of proprietary protocols Nov 14 02:16:22 Eh. Well. Requesting tiles is easy. Nov 14 02:16:28 I've written an app for Maemo that did it Nov 14 02:16:29 Ages ago Nov 14 02:17:35 well, i just need one request/response raw packet dump from an android device Nov 14 02:17:39 can anybody provide me with that ? Nov 14 02:18:57 *quiet?* Nov 14 02:19:04 nobody has tcpdump ? Nov 14 02:19:39 * sprink thinks everyone is afraid of isreal Nov 14 02:20:06 ibib: can you provide identification? Nov 14 02:20:13 sorry, 2 proofs Nov 14 02:20:15 rofl Nov 14 02:20:15 jk Nov 14 02:20:19 :p Nov 14 02:20:22 i need a sniff of any region in te world Nov 14 02:20:27 just the protocol, nothing else Nov 14 02:20:53 of course, thats your key to viewing our super secretive maps of isreal Nov 14 02:21:02 funny.. Nov 14 02:21:10 :p Nov 14 02:21:19 (and helpfull) Nov 14 02:21:35 yeah sorry (goes to bed for real) Nov 14 02:25:33 jbq, thanks for the drop. :) Nov 14 02:25:55 thansk jbq! and thanks also to the team! ;-) Nov 14 02:27:31 * jbq bows, and passes the thanks to the rest of the team. Nov 14 02:27:42 :-) Nov 14 02:28:01 bet that felt good finally letting it loose, eh? Nov 14 02:28:16 * rikupw waits for "no comment" Nov 14 02:28:41 Yeah, that feels good. Nov 14 02:29:00 :-) Nov 14 02:29:05 now what will we complain about? Nov 14 02:29:10 X-0D Nov 14 02:29:13 2.1 or 2.5 Nov 14 02:29:15 XD Nov 14 02:29:30 It feels especially good putting that last extra effort on a Friday, because I know that the community likes to play around during week-ends. Nov 14 02:29:43 yeah you just killed my friday night :) Nov 14 02:29:55 haha Nov 14 02:29:56 wimbet: I gave you a list of things to complain about in my post to android-platform. Nov 14 02:29:57 im actually quite shocked it came out so soon Nov 14 02:30:00 oh yes. ;-) good point! now to get htc to get crackin :P Nov 14 02:30:17 I was incredibly shocked too, wimbet lol Nov 14 02:30:20 jbq, thanks. I like to complain lol :) Nov 14 02:30:40 I was like. "sorry, 2.0 isn't in source" five seconds later we get a tweet from cyan "2.0 IS IN!" Nov 14 02:30:56 lol hell yeah Nov 14 02:31:29 I have to admit I appreciated the irony of cyanogen sending that tweet while my machine was actually pushing the code out. Nov 14 02:31:36 (the first one, that is). Nov 14 02:31:50 <3 google Nov 14 02:32:54 wow. jbq X-D Nov 14 02:33:19 cyanogen needs some more beer money to keep him up all friday night Nov 14 02:34:02 hey jbq, does the team have a donation spot? besides market share? lol Nov 14 02:34:25 donations for what? Nov 14 02:34:26 hah Nov 14 02:34:36 rofl. Nov 14 02:34:49 beer, ping pong rackets, who cares. they're awesome lol Nov 14 02:34:57 oh haha Nov 14 02:35:14 beer pong rackets, whatev! Nov 14 02:35:16 X-D Nov 14 02:35:27 Giving us a bit of slack or the benefit of the doubt would go a long way, actually. Nov 14 02:35:45 Hm...maybe I should give em less shit next time Nov 14 02:35:53 * AakashPatel writes this down Nov 14 02:36:04 haha, I never blamed you guys for keeping it back ;-) you guys got your tails tied by a giant turtle Nov 14 02:36:18 haha never heard that saying before Nov 14 02:36:24 I just made it up :P Nov 14 02:36:30 rikupw: I didn't mean that personally, sorry. Nov 14 02:36:46 So droid > eris yes? Nov 14 02:37:10 (I'm *very* tired, I've worked close to 100 hours in the last 6 days to make this happen) Nov 14 02:37:29 jbq, get off irc and take a nap now haha Nov 14 02:37:34 no no no ;-) don't say sorry! please! :D you made my weekend so much better by getting the chance to (once i have real internet) pounce around like a rabbit through that eclair Nov 14 02:37:35 you've done a good job Nov 14 02:37:49 yea, go relax jbq, when you're done with whatever :-) Nov 14 02:38:00 android will be here in the morning ;-) Nov 14 02:38:37 I'm going to stop for tonight, and I'll probably avoid touching the code tomorrow, but there are still things that I need to do soon, so I'll get back to it soon. Nov 14 02:38:47 :-) Nov 14 02:38:50 as my boss would say: Nov 14 02:39:01 "take time, take time, no russ, take time" Nov 14 02:39:10 he also used to say "i have memry like fiss" Nov 14 02:39:21 but thats a different story haha Nov 14 02:39:25 lol Nov 14 02:39:38 (boss is korean) Nov 14 02:43:52 * Leeds is busy persuading a friend that she wants an Android phone rather than an iPhone :) Nov 14 02:44:09 so jbq is to blame if cyanogen gets divorced because he is so busy tinkering his wife feels neglected, good going jbq Nov 14 02:44:19 ;P Nov 14 02:44:45 Well, my wife hasn't seen much of me all week, and when she saw me I always had a laptop. Nov 14 02:45:03 <3 jbq Nov 14 02:45:08 :-) Nov 14 02:45:19 jbq: but it's your work, or at least you can always try that as excuse Nov 14 02:45:38 Yeah :D but then she'll asked that I get paid for the overtime. Nov 14 02:45:53 Anyway, gotta go, I need to catch my bus if I want to get back home before 8pm. Nov 14 02:45:57 jbq: "honey, i know, remember i'm salaried" Nov 14 02:46:00 jbq: props and respect and thanks, BTW... and I'd second the beer offer Nov 14 02:46:20 jbq needs a beerpal account Nov 14 02:46:21 any ideas of when the htc dragon wioll be in the uk? Nov 14 02:46:25 i want it Nov 14 02:46:45 what's so great about the sense ui? is it just good looking or does it improve functionality over the normal anrdoid Nov 14 02:47:51 i like what htc adds to make android phones a more complete experience, rather than companies that grab the source, pay for weak google apps and slap that on some hardware specs Nov 14 02:48:38 lol morfic, i only half-second that one Nov 14 02:48:56 no halfsies, commit or gtfo Nov 14 02:49:00 haha Nov 14 02:49:23 rikupw: i take a hero over a mytouch anyday Nov 14 02:49:37 or maybe tattoo vs mytouch Nov 14 02:49:46 hi guys. is there an android app to play media from a local network source (samba/nfs share)? Nov 14 02:50:04 morfic: What about droid? Nov 14 02:50:28 AnnonyMouse, theres a few, i can't remember the name, it starts with g"Xxxx" or whatever Nov 14 02:51:23 rikupw: of course, the magic is a htc phone too, but those seem like "make us something cheap" orders.....*shrug* i like sensui Nov 14 02:52:14 I liked it when haykuro leaked it :P Nov 14 02:52:20 I ran hero for 2 months. Nov 14 02:52:43 but... *ugh* it was a pain in the butt lol. I finally went somewhere neater and faster after that Nov 14 02:53:32 do i have to add the -b eclair arg when i init repo? Nov 14 02:53:54 why does the facebook app suck so bad? Nov 14 02:54:12 might as well AakashPatel Nov 14 02:55:08 k Nov 14 02:55:56 in fact I just did that and it init' perfectly Nov 14 02:56:07 can't sync though :( no actual "net" Nov 14 02:56:13 I LIED! Nov 14 02:56:25 hah Nov 14 02:56:41 im installing the prereq's on my comp still Nov 14 02:56:55 * AakashPatel listens to his fans roar Nov 14 02:57:17 rikupw: what swappiness did you use back then? Nov 14 02:57:57 wtf Nov 14 02:58:03 2.53 cpu usage Nov 14 02:58:07 ...i have a dual core cpu Nov 14 02:59:07 :-) Nov 14 02:59:09 hah now my fan is rattling **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 14 02:59:56 2009