**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 15 02:59:56 2009 Nov 15 03:07:40 Hi, I just downloaded the new sdk for android eclaire. But the archive doesn't contain anything in platform. Nov 15 03:07:49 So I can't create a new virtual machine.? Nov 15 03:08:12 What should I do? Nov 15 03:08:23 (i am under linux) Nov 15 03:13:21 thiblahute: read the readme :p Nov 15 03:15:07 l4u, good idea ;) Sorry about that! Nov 15 03:16:37 thiblahute: run ./tools/android for adding sdk components Nov 15 03:17:07 Yes, I get: Failed to fetch URL https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/repository/repository.xml, reason: HTTPS SSL error. You might want to force download through HTTP in the settings. when trying to update the list. Nov 15 03:17:23 I tried to force http. Nov 15 03:18:54 is there a jabber client for android that doesn't suck? Nov 15 03:19:00 im+ is horrible Nov 15 03:20:44 I change the adress to http://dl.google.com/android/repository/repository.xml and it worked fine! Nov 15 03:22:11 thiblahute: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/63a44163a8d07cd9/6dbecc50fd3d383d?lnk=raot Nov 15 03:28:15 anyone here familiar with layout_width? If my only element in a LinearLayout is the ListView should take up all of the screen space, correct? Nov 15 03:32:37 Boom! Nov 15 03:32:55 Hi, i just downloaded the Droid Nov 15 03:33:10 into your replicator? Nov 15 03:34:51 l4u Thanks! I am getting it working now!. Nov 15 03:37:02 thiblahute: np Nov 15 03:37:46 why do people still use windows mobile Nov 15 03:37:48 its terrible Nov 15 03:37:54 TERRIBLE Nov 15 03:38:20 Jengoris: Because they like certain apps made for it. Nov 15 03:41:16 its pretty decent for corporate use. Rivals the Blackberry Nov 15 03:41:24 sadly, Android is just not there yet Nov 15 03:41:40 o_O Nov 15 03:42:40 Jengoris, management is a big area for the corporate types ... Nov 15 03:43:22 yeah google needs to work on that and also recognize that not everyone wants to live off the 'coud' Nov 15 03:43:27 cloud Nov 15 03:43:54 there arent business verions of windows Nov 15 03:43:57 morons! Nov 15 03:44:04 android is for everyone Nov 15 03:44:10 android is unstoppable Nov 15 03:44:16 android Nov 15 03:45:47 what exactly is the problem9s) with winMo? Nov 15 03:46:02 how does it compare Nov 15 03:47:34 its biggest problem is that its designed for stylus Nov 15 03:47:40 and that it sucks for developers Nov 15 03:47:44 and that in general its fail Nov 15 03:48:39 i thought the whole point was it would be great for devs...just use the win api's they know Nov 15 03:48:48 o_O Nov 15 03:50:27 stylus is a big killer Nov 15 03:51:29 "stylus" as in ... people like those pen yokes? I'll never believe that ;) Nov 15 03:52:31 yeah back in the Palm era, i got a sony tg-50 with keyboard...never bothered with that graffiti stuff Nov 15 03:52:46 do i need eclipse IDE java or java ee? Nov 15 03:52:50 stylus was supposed to be the future Nov 15 03:52:52 it makes even less sense on a phone Nov 15 03:53:03 can you imagine using a stylus Nov 15 03:53:06 ME NEITHER Nov 15 03:53:13 bk - eclipse IDE java Nov 15 03:53:18 later tonight we visit http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/11/worlds-most-awesome.html Nov 15 03:53:31 foor an IN DEPTH INTERVIEW Nov 15 03:54:03 that looks like what they sell on subways Nov 15 03:54:05 hamiltont: thanks Nov 15 03:54:10 bk - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_%28programming_language%29#Editions for differences Nov 15 03:54:12 Jengoris: do you still want that invite? Nov 15 03:54:24 can anyone suggest an IM app that actually stays connected & doesn't get unloaded/disconnect if it's not in focus? Nov 15 03:54:52 for android 2.0? Nov 15 03:55:06 bk: are you giving away google wave invities? :) Nov 15 03:55:07 Jengoris: no, wave Nov 15 03:55:14 lol, i can give 2 Nov 15 03:55:25 I'll take one! but you don't know me Nov 15 03:55:28 I don't think... Nov 15 03:55:32 nope, dont Nov 15 03:56:00 well if nobody wants one I'll take it lol Nov 15 03:56:05 k lol Nov 15 03:56:24 NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Nov 15 03:56:35 actually its ok Nov 15 03:56:36 lol Nov 15 03:56:58 nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Nov 15 03:56:58 ive learned that google wave isnt the be all end all alpha nad omega of everything ever Nov 15 03:57:10 bk: do you really have invites to wave? Nov 15 03:57:23 why would he lie? Nov 15 03:57:27 TommyBres think about it. Nov 15 03:57:36 TommyBres: yes, message me your gmail and ill send you one Nov 15 03:57:40 Jengoris: shut up, i'm talking to the man Nov 15 03:57:45 THE MAN! Nov 15 03:57:56 bk: if you're serious, thanks a ton dude Nov 15 03:58:13 does google wave world in html 4 Nov 15 03:58:17 i'll give you a gv invite if you have any desire for one :P Nov 15 03:58:18 or is it html 5 Nov 15 03:58:32 'Evening Nov 15 03:58:40 hello Nov 15 03:59:05 How are you? Nov 15 03:59:13 im hyped up on LIFE Nov 15 03:59:40 man it feels good Nov 15 03:59:48 Sounds awesome. This morning I became a proud owner of a HTC ERIS (Hero for Verizon). I'm ecstatic Nov 15 03:59:50 * Jengoris isnt taking anymore triple sod Nov 15 03:59:55 eris? Nov 15 04:00:01 dude, didnt you hear about the droid? Nov 15 04:00:14 I did. However, my budget doesn't allow for it. Nov 15 04:00:22 :/ Nov 15 04:00:27 its only $100 more Nov 15 04:00:30 It was $100 I didn't have, nor would I have it for a month or so. Nov 15 04:00:42 maybe you shouldnt be buying the eris then Nov 15 04:01:01 I work about 25 hours a month. I'm a student who works for the school during 2 periods. Nov 15 04:01:10 serisly, what are you doing in #android Nov 15 04:01:14 get out of here Nov 15 04:01:25 Your trolling attempts are useless, I'm a fellow troll. Nov 15 04:01:33 GTFO Nov 15 04:01:39 lol Nov 15 04:01:39 lol Nov 15 04:01:44 * crazyspai puts on Anonmask Nov 15 04:01:52 play nice, children Nov 15 04:02:05 It's all cool Leeds. I'm not a tight-ass. Nov 15 04:02:08 I can take a joke. Nov 15 04:02:16 crazyspai: I know where your coming from. I was in the same situation when i bought my G1 last year Nov 15 04:02:21 TommyBres: now find me a good vid tutorial on learning to dev apps haha Nov 15 04:02:25 i bet there isnt any yet Nov 15 04:02:31 crazyspai: cool... you like the Eris then? Nov 15 04:02:38 Eris. Not Erick. Nov 15 04:03:01 Leeds: It's a solid system. I enjoy having a smart phone. I've upgraded from a LG flip phone from 2004. Nov 15 04:03:11 its more than solid Nov 15 04:03:13 its supersolid Nov 15 04:03:20 is thaty a state of matter Nov 15 04:03:21 1/4 of the keys worked 1/2 of the time. I have a 1/8 success rate with pretty keys with my old phone. Nov 15 04:03:21 lets see... Nov 15 04:03:35 nice Nov 15 04:03:36 yeah it is Nov 15 04:03:41 Plasma is the most solid thing we can produce Leeds. Nov 15 04:04:04 Sorry, Jengoris* Nov 15 04:04:15 dont be sorry Nov 15 04:04:21 supersolids are very useful Nov 15 04:04:36 bk: lol i'm going to a dev lab tomorrow @ google office in NYC Nov 15 04:04:42 err not tomorrow, monday Nov 15 04:04:51 Anyway, I've downloaded about 10 apps already. Uninstalled 4. Paid for 2. Nov 15 04:05:03 which 2? Nov 15 04:05:06 Eris handles the verizon G3 and Wifi like a champ. Nov 15 04:05:07 you need a guide on which to get Nov 15 04:05:13 bk - not 100%, but check out that google open source university thing Nov 15 04:05:16 TommyBres: well into Sunday here :) Nov 15 04:05:17 Advanced Task Manager and Torrent Droid Nov 15 04:05:24 thers a few beutiful diamonds amongst piles of poo Nov 15 04:05:28 heh weird Nov 15 04:05:38 interesting - neither things I would consider buying Nov 15 04:05:40 TommyBres: niiice, i wish there was some around here, but theres not Nov 15 04:05:47 for vids, I mean. They asked my school group to put some stuff together to submit to that university, and they 'encouraged' having videos Nov 15 04:05:59 I've played tag with some android users in my area using the GPS game, I've also downloaded some helpful note taking and work related things. Nov 15 04:06:14 bk: if you find java tutorials and get familiar with it, android dev really isn't a ton different Nov 15 04:06:19 I really like the integration with google. I have half of my life on there. Nov 15 04:06:27 all I've bought is games Nov 15 04:06:39 i've bought a lotttt Nov 15 04:06:44 TommyBres: ahh ok, cause there is a need for good apps, and the iphone devs of the good twitter and all that apps wont port, why idk Nov 15 04:06:48 but i want to lol Nov 15 04:06:50 Leeds: That was my first thought. Then I went to the "Well... I could actually use this for more than games" Nov 15 04:06:57 crazyspai: if you've already put your life on Google, Android lets you take it with you... there are people who are paranoid about that :) Nov 15 04:07:03 Anyone else unable to open attachments on their DROID? Nov 15 04:07:06 oh, I use it for far more than games, but I don't need to pay Nov 15 04:07:21 Leeds: Did you mod it? Nov 15 04:07:31 Ballresin: the build-in mail software will only be able to open attachments if there's something on the phone which can read the file Nov 15 04:07:34 bk: that'll improve as the quality of devices improves Nov 15 04:07:41 i.e., Droid can handle much cooler games than G1 Nov 15 04:07:53 I installed 3 PDF readers, and cannot open PDF attachments... Nov 15 04:07:55 Leeds: I've got security already down. I've installed my own self-destruct script incase it is lost. I also have it protected from Bluetooth and Wifi phreakers. Nov 15 04:08:09 crazyspai: yup - originally because there's no paid market here in Hong Kong, so I had to mod it to be able to buy stuff Nov 15 04:08:18 g1 has a trackball which i think is better for games than a dpad Nov 15 04:08:40 the d-pad, were it on the LEFT of the keyboard, would be amazing for games Nov 15 04:08:47 but on the right it feels awkward Nov 15 04:08:48 Leeds: Ah, that explains a lot. Google is targeting America and Canada now for the market. They are expanding but a majority is still focused on America. Nov 15 04:08:50 something moto should keep in mind for future Nov 15 04:08:57 trackball is great for nagivation, but overrated for gaming Nov 15 04:09:01 TommyBres: thats true Nov 15 04:09:17 look at the cliq's keyboard/d-pad combo Nov 15 04:09:22 how do you aim with only 4 directions? Nov 15 04:09:24 the quality is worse, but the location pwns for gaming Nov 15 04:09:34 ari-free, you've never played nintendo? Nov 15 04:09:39 sega genesis? Nov 15 04:09:46 crazyspai: actually, no - there's good support all over the place, 2 of the 4 networks in HK are selling Android phones, plenty of European countries have paid market access... in fact, you can't *sell* apps from Canada yet, AFAIK Nov 15 04:09:47 well yes...but I have a wii :) Nov 15 04:09:47 NES.... Nov 15 04:09:49 ahhh Nov 15 04:09:56 * crazyspai feels like an idiot. I just realized that the middle thing is a track ball. Nov 15 04:10:12 ari-free: and you have a phone with similar motion-sensing features to the wiimote... make a connection there? Nov 15 04:10:16 LOL ON YOUR DREAM??? Nov 15 04:10:21 crazyspai: you only just realised??? :) Nov 15 04:10:21 crazyspai: seriously?! Nov 15 04:10:22 or magic or hero or whatever Nov 15 04:10:27 otherwise I play pc games Nov 15 04:10:27 BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Nov 15 04:10:30 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Nov 15 04:10:31 TommyBres: Eris = Hero-for-Verizon Nov 15 04:10:40 i know what it is Nov 15 04:10:40 no dpad on keyboard so we use wsad Nov 15 04:10:50 Leeds: Yeah... I've been using touch screen and havn't really been looking outside of that. Nov 15 04:11:00 that's hilarious dude Nov 15 04:11:06 crazyspai how long you didnt know t is a trackball? Nov 15 04:11:10 maybe because i'm baked, but i think it's funny even if sober Nov 15 04:11:18 elmuSSa: I've had it for about 12 hours now. Nov 15 04:11:32 thats fine Nov 15 04:11:35 no shame:D Nov 15 04:11:40 hahaha Nov 15 04:11:49 so I'm sure droid gamers can use wsad instead of a dpad Nov 15 04:12:04 yeah, i use it for my emu now Nov 15 04:12:06 it doesn't work as well Nov 15 04:12:50 anyone here use any IM apps that don't unload when they are not in focus that they can recommend? :) Nov 15 04:12:51 air-free, TommyBres: I've already started working on my gamepad driver for my droid. I have a gamepad I used to use for a smart phone of a relative. Nov 15 04:13:14 RMIT: I use Meebo's device. Nov 15 04:13:25 ooh Nov 15 04:13:39 RMIT: ebuddy is the best messenger imo Nov 15 04:13:59 does ebuddy sign you in on the backgrund Nov 15 04:14:01 TommyBres: does that actually stay connected even if you do other things or lose the signal Nov 15 04:14:03 so u can always be signed in Nov 15 04:14:23 no, unfortunately, you've all got secret iPhones which can only do IM in the foreground Nov 15 04:14:25 yeah, like the iphone apps use a proxy so even if your phone is off they are signed in and push IMs to you Nov 15 04:14:33 lol Nov 15 04:14:35 RMIT: if you lose signal you can never stay connected, but yes you can multitask and it stays connected Nov 15 04:14:41 TommyBres: I'm working on the cable right now. I need to solder them together and then isolate one since the gamepad has a motion sensor but I can't seem to find a USB cable that works with the ERIS that allows for a motion sensor. Nov 15 04:14:42 it handles multitasking VERY well actually Nov 15 04:14:57 crazyspai: i don't think android can be a usb host Nov 15 04:15:18 TommyBres: Surprisingly it can :) Nov 15 04:15:21 Anyone come across a android 2.0 ROM for the hero BTW? Nov 15 04:15:26 From SDK tests. Nov 15 04:15:27 oooh cool then Nov 15 04:15:29 TommyBres: thanks, I will give it a shot cause IM+ and Palringo, HelloIM all keep unloading Nov 15 04:15:33 g1 has built in even TV-OUT but its not programmed Nov 15 04:15:45 TommyBres, there is no reason it cant be AFAIK Nov 15 04:15:49 RMIT: yeah i really didn't like those, took me a long time till someone recommended this Nov 15 04:15:56 it's been discussed many many times Nov 15 04:16:49 I'm working pretty hard on it. If I can get it working, I'll release the software for free, then sell the controllers or adapters for the controllers. Nov 15 04:16:50 will android be a sub host soon Nov 15 04:16:57 does it drain energy fast or somethin Nov 15 04:17:06 is that why they're delaying it so much Nov 15 04:17:13 TommyBres: thanks, I need to find a better battery for the g1 though, this drains too fast :) what phone do you have? Nov 15 04:17:31 android dev phone Nov 15 04:17:36 just like a G1 Nov 15 04:17:58 TommyBres me too Nov 15 04:18:11 i have a pre release version of the htc dragon here Nov 15 04:18:18 TommyBres: cool...did you ever upgrade your battery to a higher capacity one? Nov 15 04:18:27 nope, i've put up with the abysmal battery life Nov 15 04:18:29 its pretty good Nov 15 04:18:57 TommyBres: I've already been able to connect my external to the droid using a quick tutorial from a friend. Nov 15 04:19:07 sweet Nov 15 04:19:08 Well... he did it for me, but I watched and was totally lost. Nov 15 04:19:57 heh, I need to find a g1 higher capacity battery that doesn't need a fat new back cover that looks weird or adds more bulk Nov 15 04:20:05 crazyspai: external hdd? Nov 15 04:20:05 anyone wana see pics of my dragon? Nov 15 04:20:21 they made a crappy thin on it so when u press the button fire comes out Nov 15 04:20:22 elmuSSa: Yeah Nov 15 04:20:22 Jengoris show me Nov 15 04:20:27 kk 1 sec Nov 15 04:20:35 ^^"$0_ Nov 15 04:20:35 yo Nov 15 04:20:36 there Nov 15 04:20:58 beautifuly rendered in irc Nov 15 04:21:19 nice dragon Nov 15 04:22:14 Dragon...? Nov 15 04:22:24 yes, ^^"$0_ Nov 15 04:23:15 i want snapdragon! Nov 15 04:23:35 Explain. Nov 15 04:23:37 i want hd2 on android Nov 15 04:23:44 soo obadly Nov 15 04:23:50 hopeflly it'll be here befroe christ Nov 15 04:23:51 mas Nov 15 04:24:04 crazyspai, what exactly dont you udnerstand? Nov 15 04:24:10 The dragon reference. Nov 15 04:24:22 Is it an app? Or.. is it just something I'm missing. Nov 15 04:24:26 cpu Nov 15 04:24:36 ¬_¬ Nov 15 04:24:41 get out Nov 15 04:24:42 That is the name of the CPU? Nov 15 04:24:43 get out now Nov 15 04:24:56 Chill out Jengoris XD Nov 15 04:25:07 GET OFF MY LAWN Nov 15 04:25:17 you hooligan Nov 15 04:25:17 there's an ARM cpu called snapdragon Nov 15 04:25:22 NEVAR. I'll sit in my bathtub on your lawn. Nov 15 04:25:23 A qualcomm built arm cpu Nov 15 04:25:24 1ghz Nov 15 04:25:28 droid doesn't use it though Nov 15 04:25:32 arm doesnt build any CPUs, moron Nov 15 04:25:34 I heard about that 1ghz processor. Nov 15 04:25:44 I just didn't know the name. Nov 15 04:25:47 one whole gigahurtz? Nov 15 04:25:53 Yep. Nov 15 04:25:54 1.21gigawatts Nov 15 04:26:03 WHOAH Nov 15 04:26:03 thats a lot of power Nov 15 04:26:06 thats like powerplant Nov 15 04:26:08 arm is a cpu architecture, like x86 Nov 15 04:26:11 my droid is quad-core Nov 15 04:26:12 It's like a bolt of lightning Nov 15 04:26:21 arm isnt a cpu architechture Nov 15 04:26:21 arm is a company Nov 15 04:26:23 so we have lots of arm cpu competition Nov 15 04:26:24 ARM Nov 15 04:26:28 "If my calculations are correct, at 88mph we are going to see some crazy shit" Nov 15 04:26:37 used to be acorn Nov 15 04:26:57 ARM is frmo my country Nov 15 04:27:01 where teh corn grows strong! Nov 15 04:27:01 hoorah! Nov 15 04:27:20 please see www.arm.com and read the title for me Nov 15 04:27:35 thank you Nov 15 04:27:37 TommyBres: get your invite? Nov 15 04:27:46 ari-free yeah, bakcs up my point Nov 15 04:27:47 thats just a motto Nov 15 04:27:51 anyone could say it Nov 15 04:27:59 Intel THE ARCITECTURE OF THE DIGITAL WORLD Nov 15 04:28:03 http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/architecture.html Nov 15 04:28:42 ari-free: it's an architecture, licensed to dozens of semiconductor companies. They make nothing except licenses now. Nov 15 04:28:49 bk: nope Nov 15 04:29:00 yup Nov 15 04:29:02 bk: actually yes :D Nov 15 04:29:18 what? Nov 15 04:29:24 i thought invites took like a day or osmethin Nov 15 04:29:31 TommyBres: lol cool Nov 15 04:29:43 YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Nov 15 04:29:46 I GOT MINE Nov 15 04:29:48 that's why smartphones are more exciting than pc's. pc's only have amd vs intel now Nov 15 04:29:55 Uh? Nov 15 04:30:01 ARM is dominating massively in the mobile market Nov 15 04:30:06 literally has over 99% of the processors Nov 15 04:30:23 they design them Nov 15 04:30:24 androids can run on arm cpu's from so many companies Nov 15 04:30:29 they let folks fabricate them Nov 15 04:31:54 good night gentlemen Nov 15 04:32:05 ok well opera doesnt like wave Nov 15 04:32:18 oh fack Nov 15 04:32:26 its just crashed it Nov 15 04:32:37 wave sucks Nov 15 04:37:07 Any tricks or tips you have for a new user? Nov 15 05:37:39 My droid just rebooted two times in a row for no apparent reason Nov 15 05:38:22 Is there some log I can check or something? Nov 15 05:38:29 /proc/last_kmsg Nov 15 05:39:32 zinx: Doesnt exist Nov 15 05:39:54 piroko: call up Motorola and tell them they suck Nov 15 05:40:19 (no, there's no way to tell why it's rebooting) Nov 15 05:40:32 so is it just me, or does Droid's imap email not do html .. at all? Nov 15 05:44:18 What? the ADP2 is the Ion? That's absurd!!! Nov 15 05:44:42 A 32B too! Nov 15 05:45:41 And the "buy dev phone" button doesn't work :( Nov 15 05:47:05 here goes nothing ;) clean 1.6 flashing to hero ... wondering how well this is gonna work! Nov 15 05:49:04 don't flash to hero :( Nov 15 05:49:11 it's not even worth it, trust me :( Nov 15 05:50:45 seems like most appreciate the extra eyecandy. Nov 15 05:50:48 for a short time Nov 15 05:51:03 then want the improved responsiveness of the non-hero Nov 15 05:52:27 seriously Nov 15 05:58:50 yup - I much prefer "real" android over sense :) Nov 15 05:59:06 keyboard on 1.6 actually works ;) although - it seems the keys are slightly smaller? Nov 15 06:11:12 does anyone know -- does the meebo android app store account data locally, or up on their servers? Nov 15 06:11:41 KhanFused: I was thinking I read some 'feature' like "read logs from your chats wherever you are!" Nov 15 06:11:51 which would imply a buncha server-based stuff Nov 15 06:12:21 I know that's how it would definitely work if you set up a meebo account ... same with ebuddy ... Nov 15 06:12:33 but I just pulled down the app ... it hasn't forced me into creating a meebo account Nov 15 06:12:57 I could be wrong .. or I guess it could just use your UID/device hash/etc Nov 15 06:13:19 trying to find an IM client that stays connected ... and doesn't use the SMS network when I'm not on wifi. I've unlocked my g1 and am using it on AT&T - and therefore I can't use IM when on cell data Nov 15 06:23:15 quick question, when building 2.0, is java 1.5 still a must? or can we finally use 1.6? Nov 15 06:29:43 riku, i just did a fresh clone a few hours ago... asked for 1.5 (although - i think i've got the 1.6 sources... ) Nov 15 06:29:57 First time building AOSP ;) Nov 15 06:30:03 ok thanks kiall :-) Nov 15 06:30:04 good luck! Nov 15 06:30:13 I have been building since 1.5 PITA if i you asked me then Nov 15 06:30:21 now i can do a full make without it crashing lol Nov 15 06:30:23 lol ... any tips on getting repo sync to finish ;) Nov 15 06:30:30 nah, just let it finish first Nov 15 06:30:46 1.6 is the most stable branch to if you ask me, -b donut Nov 15 06:30:50 keeps dying on me with fatal: read error (Connection reset by peer) ;) Nov 15 06:30:56 thats bad connection Nov 15 06:31:00 -b flan Nov 15 06:31:03 -b flan? Nov 15 06:31:04 wtf?! Nov 15 06:31:06 no way Nov 15 06:31:11 o.o Nov 15 06:31:16 lol zinx Nov 15 06:31:17 X-D Nov 15 06:31:45 error: revision flan in manifests not found Nov 15 06:31:46 DANG Nov 15 06:31:50 lol Nov 15 06:31:51 :P Nov 15 06:32:10 only motorola has android 3.0 Nov 15 06:32:33 sure its not 2.0? Nov 15 06:32:38 it was developed in parallel to 2.0 while 2.0 was being developed in parallel to 1.6 Nov 15 06:33:04 o.o Nov 15 06:33:06 wait Nov 15 06:33:15 3.0 is next? they're skipping 2.5 and 2.6/ Nov 15 06:33:22 There isn't even a 3.0 API Nov 15 06:33:25 only up to 2.0 Nov 15 06:33:30 for us Nov 15 06:33:31 lol Nov 15 06:33:32 my buddies droid has 2.0 so im lost on what you meant Nov 15 06:33:48 zinx=hackzer Nov 15 06:35:47 well - first build has ended in a bootloop :) Nov 15 06:36:00 Caleb: there is no 3.0 :D Nov 15 06:37:37 right so - is there any way to get more info on whats causing a boot loop? Nov 15 06:38:05 adb logcat Nov 15 06:38:29 doesnt seem to be connecting (or im too late running it_ Nov 15 06:38:30 ) Nov 15 06:49:40 fuck phone broke itself Nov 15 06:50:17 * kiall doubts the phone "broke itself" ;) Nov 15 06:50:32 it did Nov 15 06:50:46 rebooted and now the phone app and other core apps are force closing Nov 15 06:59:41 what was the command to tail the system log? Nov 15 06:59:53 adb logcat Nov 15 07:00:02 thanks Nov 15 07:01:26 W/dalvikvm( 628): threadid=3: thread exiting with uncaught exception (group=0x40013140) Nov 15 07:01:26 E/AndroidRuntime( 628): Uncaught handler: thread main exiting due to uncaught exception Nov 15 07:01:26 E/AndroidRuntime( 628): java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to resume activity {com.android.htccontacts/com.android.htccontacts.HtcDialer}: java.lang.NullPointerException Nov 15 07:01:32 seems to be whats going on when it dies Nov 15 07:02:13 wish i had the slightest clue how to help ;) trying to get a build to do anything other than boot loop ;) Nov 15 07:02:47 i was thinking about wiping my phone anyway and trying out a new ROM Nov 15 07:03:38 lonequid, ah then who cares I suppose :) Nov 15 07:04:20 trying to build a rom myself at the mo ;) HTC Sense is pissing me off and I feel like a challenge... Nov 15 07:09:00 trying to remove it? Nov 15 07:15:30 lonequid, kinda .. yea i want it gone .. but I also want to learn how to build ROMs ;) starting with 1.6... then plan on trying 2.0 ;) Nov 15 07:15:46 for wha tphone? Nov 15 07:15:50 hero Nov 15 07:15:57 sprint or gsm Nov 15 07:16:04 gsm :) Nov 15 07:16:06 :( Nov 15 07:16:20 lol - it'll be a long time before i produce a usable ROM ;) Nov 15 07:16:36 that's odd.. i booted up my phone without the sdcard in (I have apps2sd) and the force-quit errors on the core proccesses didn't happen Nov 15 07:16:51 that means an app i installed recently is breaking it Nov 15 07:16:51 hmm Nov 15 07:17:21 (really - i should be trying to build an emulator ROM first ... since hero has custom kernel etc thats not part of AOSP .. but hey!) Nov 15 07:17:38 look at that ;) it didnt break itself :P Nov 15 07:18:02 by "break itself" i meant a cause other than me deleting the wrong file or something Nov 15 07:18:11 ;) Nov 15 07:18:12 usually i know why i broke it :P Nov 15 07:51:16 hi, is there a way to have an nXn screen dimension yet? Nov 15 07:54:43 repo init ... -b eclair is timing ouit.. Nov 15 07:57:38 bah, effing network route, (isp issues) 5 hops out, lame. Nov 15 07:57:46 xorl, yea repo sync us doing the same for me ... Nov 15 07:58:15 if i set x resolution same as y resolution, i get issues Nov 15 07:58:36 xsacha2, sorry no idea :) Nov 15 07:58:45 so my screen has to be 320x319 Nov 15 08:00:01 out of curiosity ... what issues do you see with 320x320? Nov 15 08:00:03 i guess the stock ruu wipes recovery Nov 15 08:00:06 gotta reflash that Nov 15 08:12:35 xsacha2: heh, what device now? Nov 15 08:15:40 remind me not to "make clean" again unless I really need to ;) Nov 15 08:18:51 anyone know the right way of dealing with "vendor/qcom/proprietary-open" style errors during build? I've been grabbing the .so files as needed and simply placing them in the right folder... Nov 15 08:19:00 is that the "best" way? Nov 15 08:19:22 adb probably Nov 15 08:19:32 or developer.htc.com Nov 15 08:20:12 the hero kernel source doesnt seem to have these in it ... (or im just looking in the wrong place) Nov 15 08:26:22 06:08 < AgentBlair> chrome needs an auto-translate feature Nov 15 08:26:43 what would be the command to mount my ext3 portion of my sdcard in android? Nov 15 08:27:30 mount -t ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt Nov 15 08:27:51 thanks Nov 15 08:31:07 mount: No such file or directory Nov 15 08:35:37 lonequid: then what are you asking? Nov 15 08:36:35 I had apps2sd setup and an apps2sd rom; I reset my phone to the stock rom and I'm now on a rom which doesn't have apps2sd installed. I was going to set it up with the appstosd2 app but the app says that the partitions aren't setup properly. I was going to browse to that partition on my sdcard, backup all of the apps, then repartition it with the appstosd2 app, but I can't figure out how to access it Nov 15 08:37:05 I see a mmcblk0p2 in /dev/block/mmcblk0p2 Nov 15 08:38:50 ok Nov 15 08:38:52 yes Nov 15 08:39:21 rom? Nov 15 08:39:33 you need #android-root Nov 15 08:39:54 Im just trying to figure out how to access the ext3 portion of my sdcard Nov 15 08:39:58 the rest I can handle Nov 15 08:41:00 from? Nov 15 08:41:15 my pc Nov 15 08:41:24 or in android Nov 15 08:41:26 just need to mount it Nov 15 08:41:44 11:17 < lonequid> what would be the command to mount my ext3 portion of my sdcard in android? Nov 15 08:41:57 what? Nov 15 08:42:01 same thing Nov 15 08:42:09 are you using usb cable? Nov 15 08:42:12 yes Nov 15 08:42:25 with the phone? Nov 15 08:42:31 yes Nov 15 08:42:34 in mass storage mode? Nov 15 08:42:37 then Nov 15 08:42:57 ive tried it with in mass storage and not in mass torage Nov 15 08:43:03 mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb2 /mnt Nov 15 08:43:31 still gives me no such file or directory Nov 15 08:43:44 on your pc Nov 15 08:43:54 is it mount: or bash: ? Nov 15 08:43:58 mount: Nov 15 08:44:01 im typing this in an adb shell Nov 15 08:44:05 ah Nov 15 08:44:12 that's not on pc Nov 15 08:44:20 that's on your phone Nov 15 08:44:20 lol Nov 15 08:44:28 i said im trying to mount it in android Nov 15 08:44:31 where are you trying to mount it? Nov 15 08:44:37 i just want to access it Nov 15 08:44:50 ok Nov 15 08:44:55 adb shell Nov 15 08:45:00 id is root? Nov 15 08:45:04 yes Nov 15 08:45:04 which mount Nov 15 08:45:31 ? Nov 15 08:45:59 type: which mount Nov 15 08:46:16 which not found Nov 15 08:46:24 nice Nov 15 08:46:29 and mount? Nov 15 08:48:32 rootfs / rootfs ro 0 0 Nov 15 08:48:32 tmpfs /dev tmpfs rw,mode=755 0 0 Nov 15 08:48:32 devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,mode=600 0 0 Nov 15 08:48:32 proc /proc proc rw 0 0 Nov 15 08:48:32 sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 0 Nov 15 08:48:33 tmpfs /sqlite_stmt_journals tmpfs rw,size=4096k 0 0 Nov 15 08:49:59 so try dev block Nov 15 08:50:04 should work Nov 15 08:50:59 mount -t ext3 /dev/block/mmcblk0p2 /mnt ? Nov 15 08:51:17 yes Nov 15 08:51:23 no such file or directory Nov 15 08:51:35 mkdir /mnt Nov 15 08:51:35 it exists though Nov 15 08:51:45 mkdir failed for /mnt, Read-only file system Nov 15 08:51:46 that could be why Nov 15 08:52:37 ok Nov 15 08:52:50 mkdir /tmp/mnt Nov 15 08:52:51 "adb remount" Nov 15 08:52:58 maybe ;) Nov 15 08:54:56 remount failed: Operation not permitted Nov 15 08:55:13 mkdir failed for /tmp/mnt, No such file or directory Nov 15 08:56:06 is the phone rooted? Nov 15 08:56:11 yeah Nov 15 08:56:17 from adb shell Nov 15 08:56:19 "su" Nov 15 08:56:24 gives me root shell Nov 15 08:56:25 "mkdir /mnt" Nov 15 08:56:39 mkdir failed for /mnt, Read-only file system Nov 15 08:56:40 ooo Nov 15 08:56:45 rootfs / rootfs ro 0 0 Nov 15 08:56:58 odd Nov 15 08:57:07 mount / -o remount,rw Nov 15 08:57:28 that work? Nov 15 08:57:31 right Nov 15 08:57:33 gave me Usage: Nov 15 08:57:35 for mount Nov 15 08:57:39 grr - Nov 15 08:57:40 ther's no /tmp Nov 15 08:57:51 it's android mount Nov 15 08:58:10 mount rootfs / remount,rw Nov 15 08:58:46 same Nov 15 08:59:19 mount -o remount,rw rootfs / worked Nov 15 08:59:28 ok Nov 15 08:59:47 mkdir /mnt worked Nov 15 08:59:55 heh - android mount is slightly diff to linux mount it seems ;) Nov 15 08:59:56 # mount -t ext3 /dev/block/mmcblk0p2 /mnt Nov 15 08:59:56 mount: Invalid argument Nov 15 09:01:13 does /dev/block/mmcblk0p2 exist? Nov 15 09:01:19 yes Nov 15 09:01:20 and p3 Nov 15 09:01:47 ls /sys/block Nov 15 09:01:48 odd - try dropping the -t ext3, it may pick it up on its own Nov 15 09:02:03 otherwise you can try mounting it as ext2 Nov 15 09:02:15 only mmcblk0 in there tmzt Nov 15 09:02:19 without the -t ext3 it gives me usage: Nov 15 09:02:27 worked as ext2 Nov 15 09:02:31 maybe it was ext2 and not ext3 Nov 15 09:02:34 :shrug: Nov 15 09:02:44 awesome; thanks :D Nov 15 09:02:51 ;) Nov 15 09:02:52 now if I mount my sdcard I should see this in windows? Nov 15 09:03:10 tmzt, your tuen ;) Nov 15 09:03:10 I downloaded a program to support the ext2/3 filesystem Nov 15 09:03:12 turn* Nov 15 09:03:49 see what? Nov 15 09:03:52 ah Nov 15 09:03:53 you've just mounted the card on the phone (on android as you said and confirmed!) .. not on your PC! Nov 15 09:03:57 fs-driver? Nov 15 09:04:11 you have to fsck if you mount wrong Nov 15 09:04:31 and android has to export all partitions, not just the first one Nov 15 09:04:52 if you unmount wrong Nov 15 09:05:02 I can just copy the apps over to /data/app and then when I setup appstosd2 it will move them back over I guess Nov 15 09:08:21 only if you preserve permissions Nov 15 09:16:50 hello Nov 15 09:22:40 How would I go about accessing /mnt from my PC? Nov 15 09:25:16 you wouldn't Nov 15 09:26:36 I thought I needed to mount it on the phone first Nov 15 09:41:03 lonequid, boot into android as normal, plug in USB cable, open status bar.. click the label... hit mount button ;) Nov 15 09:41:14 if your PC supports ext2/3 then it'll mount it Nov 15 09:41:32 that's what I did originally but the software which I installed to read ext2/ext3 only showed the fat32 partition Nov 15 09:41:45 then your software is wrong :) Nov 15 09:41:45 Im just switching back to the original apps2sd rom I had installed Nov 15 09:46:50 lonequid: use the control panel applet ot disk manager to assign a drive letter Nov 15 09:47:27 make sure you fdisk if you fail to unmount properly Nov 15 09:47:46 even for ext3 for some reason Nov 15 09:48:55 because fs-driver.org ifs mounts as ext2 Nov 15 09:49:59 windows doesnt support ext2 natively so Im using a program Nov 15 09:50:09 This one shows the Linux partition but it wont mount it for some reason Nov 15 09:51:19 okay this one worked Nov 15 09:51:30 program? Nov 15 09:51:49 explore2fs? Nov 15 09:52:14 didn't try that, I got it to work with diskinternals linux reader Nov 15 09:52:31 which is? Nov 15 09:52:53 I use fs-driver.org Nov 15 09:53:15 thats what I had used originally and it didn't see them Nov 15 09:53:58 ohai thar Nov 15 09:55:09 lonequid: you have to assign a drive letter Nov 15 09:55:28 windows ignores non dos partition types Nov 15 09:55:31 I know, when I opened the IFS drives control panel it only showed the fat32x partition Nov 15 09:55:46 for xbox? Nov 15 09:56:12 no on the sdcard Nov 15 09:56:47 fat32x Nov 15 09:56:52 what is that? Nov 15 09:57:05 any of you have sprint? Nov 15 09:57:09 same as fatx? obv not Nov 15 09:57:14 hero? Nov 15 09:57:18 I don't know I thought it was (and it looks to be just Fat32) but this one ext2 reading program was calling it a fat32x partition Nov 15 09:57:43 thinkin about trying out an android phone but i want to stay on sprint because i have a great plan, so im not sure what to do. Nov 15 09:58:03 kompulsive between the hero + moment you have 2 solid choices to start with on android Nov 15 09:58:10 do you have SERO? Nov 15 09:58:20 what phone do you have now? Nov 15 09:58:32 blackberry 8330 Nov 15 09:58:39 i like it quite a bit Nov 15 09:58:41 its solid Nov 15 09:58:49 oh Nov 15 09:58:54 no wm phones? Nov 15 09:58:56 but, obviously, much different animal that anything using android. Nov 15 09:59:01 nope, never had one. Nov 15 10:02:25 kompulsive: Sprint has very nice android phones, not quite the screen resolution or CPU of the droid, but still good in other ways. Nov 15 10:02:48 uh, the hero? Nov 15 10:02:54 that phone is ancient Nov 15 10:03:03 zinx: it has HTC Sense Nov 15 10:03:17 and Verizon has it too Nov 15 10:03:27 they just call it the "Droid Eris" or something Nov 15 10:03:39 zinx: with Verizon's plan, the Droid Eris costs more than the Hero on Sprint. Nov 15 10:03:48 well duh Nov 15 10:04:12 zinx: and the Samsung Moment is nice as well, it has an 800MHz processor and OLED screen. Nov 15 10:04:23 no root Nov 15 10:04:25 f' that Nov 15 10:04:30 it'll get root soon. Nov 15 10:04:39 yeah, who's gonna get root on it? Nov 15 10:04:51 i always hear people telling me that Nov 15 10:04:55 but i don't see any action Nov 15 10:05:06 everyone, once Samsung throws the code over the wall according to their GPL obligations. Nov 15 10:05:13 uh Nov 15 10:05:30 1) we should already have the kernel source, if not, they are actively violating the GPL Nov 15 10:05:46 and the rest of it isnt gpl Nov 15 10:05:47 2) that's the only thing GPL'd, and it's not exactly simple to find a hole anyway Nov 15 10:06:07 doesn't matter how much source you have if there's no exploitable holes Nov 15 10:06:11 and again Nov 15 10:06:13 i see no action. Nov 15 10:06:25 so who's going to be the one to show us some action? Nov 15 10:06:27 samsung shoudl leak an exploit if they know whats good for them :p Nov 15 10:06:43 they should just make the thing flashable Nov 15 10:06:52 but afaik they haven't :/ Nov 15 10:07:06 wtf.. not even over the air updates/ Nov 15 10:07:24 ehm, i mean able to flash images not signed by samsung Nov 15 10:07:43 i.e., images the owner of the phone wants to put on there Nov 15 10:07:55 hmm Nov 15 10:08:00 not just images Samsung wants the user to be able to put on there :/ Nov 15 10:08:03 the moment has an oled screen? schweeet. Nov 15 10:08:18 kompulsive: Samsung is all OLED fanatical Nov 15 10:08:24 this is the first i've really thought of checking out an android phone so i haven't done any research yet. Nov 15 10:08:25 i'm not sold on OLED yet :/ Nov 15 10:08:49 zinx: OLED == PONY. you should know that :) Nov 15 10:09:03 it's the greatest thing evar! Nov 15 10:09:08 it will bring about world peace Nov 15 10:09:11 i just assumed that it was going to be quite a while before any really good android phones are offered by sprint Nov 15 10:09:28 im still waiting for a phone better than the g1 Nov 15 10:09:40 the droid comes close.. but they made a keyboard fail Nov 15 10:10:40 really? Nov 15 10:10:51 and the g1 will accurately track me in satellite mode.. whilst doing 120mph, and mounted to my motorcycle Nov 15 10:10:55 that's huge to me also, i wasn't thinking about that Nov 15 10:11:10 thats why i like the BB, the solid qwerty Nov 15 10:11:31 GPS phones don't require a service, right? Nov 15 10:11:37 I love blackberrys keyboard Nov 15 10:11:57 with google maps you need service to access map data Nov 15 10:11:58 'cept mine is a bit messy now Nov 15 10:11:58 I need to mount a photo to my datahands Nov 15 10:12:11 s/photo/phone/ Nov 15 10:12:14 otherwise the map just shows you floating in the middle of nowhere Nov 15 10:12:19 some buttons have got a bit stuck Nov 15 10:12:19 snadge, true Nov 15 10:12:36 you know where you are.. your latitude and longitude etc.. and how fast you're going.. and what direction you're travelling etc tho :) Nov 15 10:12:47 snadge, could you not download the map seperatly? like on satnavs? Nov 15 10:13:15 yeah, copilot stores its maps on the sdcard, I believe Nov 15 10:13:19 Does Android's Maps app cache the parts of the map you've viewed, like iPhone's does? Nov 15 10:13:20 yeah.. your other commercial gps products like garmin and tomtom have offline map data.. and use the internet connection for updates, and points of interest etc Nov 15 10:13:36 The iPhone keeps a big map cache Nov 15 10:13:42 yeah.. but too bad if you zoom in or out.. or the app desides to clear its cache or whatever Nov 15 10:14:32 snadge, on my iPod Touch, I just make sure I step through each direction in a route so that it downloads the appropriate tiles Nov 15 10:14:35 before I leave Nov 15 10:14:54 kompulsive: the Moment has a keyboard, and the Hero does not. Something you might want to consider. Nov 15 10:15:12 oh.. whats the moments keyboard like? Nov 15 10:15:33 snadge: fair to midling, according to the reviews. Nov 15 10:15:45 I want to know what the HTC HD2 OS keyboard is like Nov 15 10:15:56 snadge: decent keyboard, weird layout for the spacebar. Nov 15 10:16:30 thats a fantastic looking keyboard yeah Nov 15 10:16:53 i see the space is between the v and the b key :/ Nov 15 10:16:56 do some phones have a pressure sensativity on the touch screen? Nov 15 10:18:17 JSharpe2: I think the Blackberry Storm does, and everyone saw how well *that* worked. Nov 15 10:18:27 I don't like the storm Nov 15 10:18:32 looks ugleh Nov 15 10:18:41 and same resolution as the blackberry bold Nov 15 10:18:49 and has buggy firmware, and has a lousy touch screen. Nov 15 10:19:08 What I don't like about blackberry is the limited software for it Nov 15 10:19:42 I have a PalmOS Centro, terrific software selection, only problem is most of it is *old* Nov 15 10:20:09 50,000 apps, more than the iPhone until recently. ;-) Nov 15 10:20:53 I have MSN/google mail/FBook/google maps/dictionary and then some 3rd party apps that look like it's not even done Nov 15 10:21:04 iPhone... Nov 15 10:21:18 I keep hearing all the app store, but nothing else Nov 15 10:22:10 JSharpe2: I have multi-protocol IM/mail/facebook/googlemaps and more. Could even have a dictionary too if I wanted it, but like I said, the apps are old, and for the most part, limited. Nov 15 10:22:27 for PalmOS Nov 15 10:22:31 yeh Nov 15 10:22:48 is there an IRC client for blackberrys or smartphones in general? Nov 15 10:23:24 there was one called jmIRC but that was developped in 2007 and not working any more Nov 15 10:23:27 there's a JavaME IRC client that works on blackberries, and also works on PalmOS. Several others exist for PalmOS too. An old protocol for an old OS. Nov 15 10:23:50 ;-) Nov 15 10:24:10 Android has an IRC client or two. So does iPhone. Even Palm Pre has one under development. Nov 15 10:24:49 WinMo has one too I think, but don't get a Windows Mobile phone, you'll regret it. Nov 15 10:25:00 why's that? Nov 15 10:25:14 moment looks reasonable.. if its rootable and can run 2.0 its a contender perhaps Nov 15 10:25:14 buggier than Vista, Microsoft's worst product arguably. Nov 15 10:25:32 isn't winmo 7 out soon anyway? Nov 15 10:25:33 snadge: Moment will have 2.0 in 2010 according to Samsung Nov 15 10:25:41 i want htc to make a refined version the g1 on steroids Nov 15 10:25:55 I just want the HTC HD2 on android Nov 15 10:26:23 JSharpe2: if winmo 7 was going to be so good, Microsoft wouldn't be so tight-lipped about it. Someone said Microsoft's Windows Mobile developers are a circular firing squad. PRobably an apt description. Nov 15 10:26:28 ANyone here had the chance to work on ONE yet ? Nov 15 10:27:44 nickstolen: work on what? Nov 15 10:27:50 ONE Nov 15 10:28:06 "ONE" Nov 15 10:28:23 the ONE ! Nov 15 10:28:27 neo Nov 15 10:29:18 :P THink the guys here in Madrid got carried away with trying to provider neo and the highlander a mutlipurpose phone. Nov 15 10:30:44 JSharpe2: there is an android phone that will have the 1GHz snapdragon, have patience. Nov 15 10:31:55 :( Nov 15 10:32:41 JSharpe2: several manufacters, including Acer and Sony Ericsson, are coming out with them already. I think HTC has one in the works too. Nov 15 10:32:59 http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/htc-dragon-android-device-surfaces-in-firmware-build-could-pack/ Nov 15 10:34:35 http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/26/htc-dragon-coming-to-verizon-as-the-passion/ Nov 15 10:34:59 JSharpe2: that article is a little old. ;-) Nov 15 10:35:02 eww I don't like the look of that phone Nov 15 10:35:10 anyone know of an app which lets you take a picture and catalog it or add tags to it? Nov 15 10:35:31 I want to make notecards for books I'm doing research on Nov 15 10:35:56 JSharpe2: well, everone on non-tmobile carriers is not having the android "chin" Nov 15 10:38:08 and that is leading to some rather generic designs Nov 15 10:40:21 does anyone know if HTC is going to fix the SMS bug on the HTC Hero? (Maybe someone can estimate how intractable it is, it's a ROM memory leak.) Nov 15 11:05:42 eh Nov 15 11:05:53 my BB IRC app works great Nov 15 11:07:13 back Nov 15 11:07:43 back Nov 15 11:09:33 jsharpe2; you were asking about the blackberry irc client, here's the free one i use, works great - http://sourceforge.net/projects/jmirc/ Nov 15 11:10:12 but yes, hasn't been updated since around 2006 Nov 15 11:10:20 works great on my 8330 though Nov 15 11:12:55 I can't get it working for gamesurge kompulsive Nov 15 11:13:03 on a blackberry bold (9000) Nov 15 11:13:56 could you give me your profile settings? Nov 15 11:14:00 So I can text it Nov 15 11:14:10 test* Nov 15 11:15:30 kompulsive? Nov 15 11:21:53 :( Nov 15 11:50:17 <_adba_> when will android 2.0 release? Nov 15 11:52:15 <_adba_> is android-1.6_r1.4 the latest release? Nov 15 12:02:20 my bad jsharpe2, i was afk Nov 15 12:02:22 im back now Nov 15 12:02:23 whats up? Nov 15 12:02:43 oh, i've never used gamesurge so i have no clue there, sorry Nov 15 13:23:17 any news whether android 2.0 will be supported on ADP1? Nov 15 13:25:32 ouah: nothing official, but at least a couple of people have it running on Dream hardware already Nov 15 13:28:46 ok Nov 15 13:31:31 does anyone have a list of upcoming android phones Nov 15 13:32:59 techcrunch did one a few weeks back - but it's out-of-date by now, of course Nov 15 14:10:34 hey, is there an android app that will allow me to save google maps data for certain regions on the phone? Nov 15 14:11:26 Not that i've been able to find, though i've only looked in a fairly cursory way Nov 15 14:12:27 Olipro, you dirty git. Nov 15 14:14:44 maybe there is a legal reason why google might not allow their data to be saved to the phone? Nov 15 14:14:55 You can't. Nov 15 14:15:04 Want to? Write an app that does it. Nov 15 14:16:17 yeah, I'm pretty sure they haven't licensed the data for offline use Nov 15 14:16:41 yeah but what I mean is.... would be fairly straight forward to write an app that does just using the map API? or would you have to get creative and do low level stuff to get your app to save the data? Nov 15 14:17:23 I guess that answers my question Leeds Nov 15 14:17:47 and I'm also pretty sure that the map API doesn't allow you to save tiles Nov 15 14:22:20 <_Andrew> jota-_: You might be able to use a different map API such as open street map, however I'm not sure how much work you'd have to put into polishing it p Nov 15 14:23:14 <_Andrew> http://code.google.com/p/osmdroid/ Nov 15 14:49:19 is htc passion and dragon differnt names for the same phone Nov 15 14:52:39 have either of them been announced? Nov 15 14:54:30 btw is there a decent browser for the droid? Nov 15 14:56:46 other than the built-in one? Nov 15 14:58:50 Leeds: it isok , doesnt do everything tho Nov 15 14:58:56 like what? Nov 15 14:59:05 Leeds i dont think he means any offence Nov 15 14:59:18 dont take it personally Nov 15 14:59:23 I didn't take offense - yet Nov 15 15:00:06 i found some of the javascript to be lacking on some sites , sure it is fact but doesntcseem complete Nov 15 15:00:28 it should really run any javascript which runs on safari or chrome Nov 15 15:01:04 Leeds: then perhaps i have to spoof the user agent? Nov 15 15:01:33 shouldn't need that unless the server or page is doing something silly - but you can try it Nov 15 15:01:42 ok Nov 15 15:02:15 iphones browser is better Nov 15 15:02:22 acid3 100/100 vs our 93/100 Nov 15 15:02:30 Jengoris: not the same Nov 15 15:02:34 enter the URL "about:debug" in the browser, which won't do anything visual - then when you go to the settings page there are extra options, including, at the bottom of the page, the option to use an Android, iPhone or Desktop (Safari) user-agent Nov 15 15:02:58 ok cool Nov 15 15:03:17 what about ssl info? Nov 15 15:03:44 /certs i have. can i also view those? Nov 15 15:04:22 not sure about that Nov 15 15:06:01 ok Nov 15 15:29:06 Jengoris - FWIW, acid3 is retarded for use as a catch-all method of "rating" a browser Nov 15 15:29:26 That's like buying a car purely because of it's MPG rating. Nov 15 15:29:37 (focussing on no other statistic, including price) Nov 15 15:30:00 acid3 is one measure Nov 15 15:30:02 i realize rthat Nov 15 15:30:07 ITS JUST ONE ASPECT Nov 15 15:30:12 but its an important one Nov 15 15:30:32 Jengoris: i dont agree, for a phone no. Nov 15 15:31:02 I'd rather have a browser on a platform that has a physical keyboard than one that passes acid3 100/100 Nov 15 15:31:03 id prefer it to break stuff so it can be read Nov 15 15:31:05 etc Nov 15 15:31:25 EugeNetBooK thats not got anything to do with the browser though Nov 15 15:32:02 Sure it does. Open a web page on your iphone, and enter your username to a bank login site. You can't see shit except the keyboard. Nov 15 15:32:33 I like having the option Nov 15 15:32:33 EugeNetBooK: I regularly do that on my Magic, and of course I can still see the page, on 1/2 the screen Nov 15 15:32:50 Yeah, but you CHOSE to not have a keyboard. iPhones don't have that choice Nov 15 15:33:43 hi Nov 15 15:33:57 * EugeNetBooK licks the squi (-d?) Nov 15 15:34:44 EugeNetBooK your logic is all messed up Nov 15 15:34:59 Point being? Nov 15 15:35:05 you're making no sense Nov 15 15:35:31 iPhone. Does. Not. Have. The. Option. Of. A. Keyboard. Nov 15 15:35:34 'Mornin Nov 15 15:35:56 Android. Is. Available. On. Multiple. Phones. Nov 15 15:36:09 that's not a sound argument Nov 15 15:36:21 Android. Is. A. More. Flexible. And. Better. OS. This. Includes. The. Browser. Which. Is. An. Integral. Part. Of. The. OS. Nov 15 15:36:23 its like saying coke is better than pepsi because more shops sell coke Nov 15 15:36:27 No. Need. To. Have. Periods. Between. Words. Or. Capitalize. Each. Word. Nov 15 15:36:55 the number of shops that sell coke doesnt change what coke actualyl is Nov 15 15:36:59 No, it's like saying frito-lay is better than Cracker Barrel chips because you get more varieties to pick from. Nov 15 15:37:14 Instead of getting "Barbecue. That's it" Nov 15 15:37:33 EugeNetBooK: yes sure but multitouch inices Nov 15 15:37:43 is nice* Nov 15 15:37:47 * EugeNetBooK pinch-zooms on his G1 for you Nov 15 15:37:54 EugeNet: That's not really true. You could have a lot of shitty versions spread over plenty of devices. Instead of having 1 sound pretty bug-free device Nov 15 15:37:54 EugeNetBooK no, you're getting confused Nov 15 15:37:58 theres only one type on androud Nov 15 15:38:02 *of Nov 15 15:38:11 you're confusing hardware wit software Nov 15 15:38:15 many people do this Nov 15 15:38:33 there's only one flavour of the android browser Nov 15 15:38:41 It's a platform. You can't run Android on a Nokia. Nov 15 15:38:53 iPhone is an integrated locked-down platform Nov 15 15:38:58 The software itself, is pretty solid. The devices are lacking hardware most of the time i.e. the lag. Nov 15 15:39:00 Android encompasses many different devices. Nov 15 15:39:20 crazyspai the lag has a lot to do with the software Nov 15 15:39:25 Euge: I've managed to run the iPhone firmware on another mobile device. Nov 15 15:39:41 the ipod touch? Nov 15 15:39:41 Lemme know when you can get that at your local AT&T store. Nov 15 15:39:45 Jengoris: Oh? does it? I was under the impression that it was hardware. Nov 15 15:39:55 well duh? Nov 15 15:39:56 Jengoris: iPod touch and iPhone firmware. Nov 15 15:39:59 course it has to do with softare Nov 15 15:40:30 crazyspai: that doesnt count Nov 15 15:41:22 +android is faster /feels faster than the iphone Nov 15 15:41:33 what do you mean, faster? Nov 15 15:41:37 FASTER IN WHAT SENSE Nov 15 15:41:47 Jengoris: i said feels Nov 15 15:42:31 yes Nov 15 15:42:36 but how Nov 15 15:42:38 d-b: To be honest... no matter how much I hate mac the iPhone does have a faster interface IMO. Nov 15 15:42:41 inwhat way does it feel faster Nov 15 15:42:47 in the sense that it doesnt lock up at least android goes it froze! Nov 15 15:43:02 wat Nov 15 15:43:11 I don't see many hangs or even studders during normal use. Android seems to hang every once and a while. Nov 15 15:43:22 *stutters Nov 15 15:44:09 Thank you Jen. Nov 15 15:44:33 np Nov 15 15:44:55 I agree. my droid stutters and hangs. ny first gen iphone never seemed to Nov 15 15:44:59 iPhone os wioll innevitably be more polished since its only on 3 devices Nov 15 15:45:13 Jengoris, that argument doesn't even make sense. Nov 15 15:45:21 # of devices has no correlation to polishing of an OS Nov 15 15:45:26 yes it does Nov 15 15:45:31 you can make it better for the hardware Nov 15 15:45:35 more optimized Nov 15 15:46:00 No, polish has to do with the amount of effort put into it by the developers Nov 15 15:46:15 If you release an OS that only works on one specific CPU, you can have an unlimited variety of devices Nov 15 15:46:19 lol Nov 15 15:46:20 Euge: If there are less variables and something in common among the devices it will be easier to polish it off. Nov 15 15:46:30 polish has nothing o do with effort Nov 15 15:46:49 Ok, I'm done. Nov 15 15:46:59 you're geting so mixed up Nov 15 15:47:00 polish does require effort Nov 15 15:47:05 polish has nothing o do with effort | lololololol Nov 15 15:47:19 Why do you think we will never get a solid general OS for computers? The hardware is too broad, you can't design it for one specific or you cut off your market. Nov 15 15:47:37 x86/64 platform is pretty solid...... Nov 15 15:47:44 but more effort to optimize same os on various hardware Nov 15 15:48:03 Polishing takes effort, but it isn't all about effort. The spectrum of hardware it is running on is a big piece of it. Nov 15 15:48:04 It's all the exact same instruction set Nov 15 15:48:11 you can spend more time on an OS and it ends up less polished Nov 15 15:48:16 by ading a ton of features that are buggy etc Nov 15 15:48:23 slow it down Nov 15 15:48:25 which happens a lot Nov 15 15:48:38 lok at firefox Nov 15 15:48:45 slooooooooooow Nov 15 15:48:59 PEBKAC. Nov 15 15:49:00 optimizing on a pentium II is exactly the same as on a Xeon 5550? Nov 15 15:49:05 They spent too much time putting "features" in it that it is now filled with vulns and is slower. Nov 15 15:49:31 Ballresin - run a Xeon 5550 at the same speed and # of cores as a PII. See what happens. Nov 15 15:49:56 Hint: It'll be right about the same. Nov 15 15:50:33 you're missing the point Nov 15 15:50:34 EugeNetBooK: hardware + software = experience Nov 15 15:51:34 brillaint software + crap hardware = crap to ok experience|ditto the other way around too. Nov 15 15:51:36 eugenetbook: are you a developer? Nov 15 15:51:45 you can satisfy 10 homogenous customers (clones) much better than 10 heterogeneous customers (randoom peeps) beacuse they all like the same thign the best so u pick that. whereas with the mixed bunch each person likes their own thing Nov 15 15:51:47 brilliant* Nov 15 15:52:06 the phones are the customers and android is the mixed case where iphone is the 0 same Nov 15 15:52:08 think about it. Nov 15 15:52:10 now i need a shower Nov 15 15:52:36 Ballresin - I'm do VMWare for a living. Nov 15 15:52:52 yeah, I'm a vcp Nov 15 15:52:58 Euge: You know how to use VMWare? You're a dev for sure. Nov 15 15:53:12 haha Nov 15 15:53:26 :) Nov 15 15:53:31 kroot: I'm still getting errors in snow leopard after your changes Nov 15 15:53:52 Snow leopard pfft XD Macs.. PFFT... ... PFFFT Nov 15 15:54:04 crazytroll: yah it's a simple solution Nov 15 15:54:04 crazytroll: stop being a crazytroll Nov 15 15:54:05 don't use them Nov 15 15:54:14 * crazytroll doesn't have a roflcopter big enough Nov 15 15:54:45 don't diss macs. that's just ignorant Nov 15 15:55:08 I'm waiting for my battery to totally die before I charge it again.. I never knew it was so hard to drain a battery XD Nov 15 15:55:08 who was able to build android in snow leopard after kroot's applying changes ? Nov 15 15:55:10 look at your name dude Nov 15 15:55:17 lets not discuss how horrible apple is as a company in here, thanks. Nov 15 15:55:21 *after applying kroot changes Nov 15 15:55:36 droids batteries drain hella fast Nov 15 15:55:40 they must be horrible eh? Nov 15 15:56:20 SparQz: It's been almost 16 hours since its last charging. With about 5 hours of solid use. It is at 10% now... hasn't died yet. Nov 15 15:56:31 I used the navigation twice in a trip and only lost 15% Nov 15 15:56:54 oh mine dies over night with no use down to about 50% Nov 15 15:57:06 all my old phones lasted like 5 days with only texting talking Nov 15 15:57:11 SparQz: g1? Nov 15 15:57:12 my droid has gotten better Nov 15 15:57:16 I kill all tasks before I sleep Nov 15 15:57:20 Yeah, overnight was about 50% but.. in th past like 5 hours it's moved like 10% Nov 15 15:57:25 ya i do too maennj Nov 15 15:57:35 no i use droid Nov 15 15:57:41 hmm maybe your battery is defective Nov 15 15:58:04 are there any extended batteries for it yet? Nov 15 15:58:11 although then my body glove might not fit on it Nov 15 15:58:55 % indicators on Li-Ion batteries are, well, next to useless. Nov 15 15:59:29 EugeNetBooK: perhaps so but the android battery info stats are fairly good Nov 15 15:59:38 V --> W-h curves on Li-I cells are completely wonky, depending on temperature, ambient pressure, rate of discharge, and position of the moon. Nov 15 15:59:59 Alright, someone said navigation... am I missing a feature of my new phone? Nov 15 16:00:31 Or do you just use google maps from here to there? Nov 15 16:00:44 crazyspai: gps.... Nov 15 16:00:54 Yeah, that's what I thought. Nov 15 16:04:36 maennj: I'll try with eclair if I can (if my wife lets me) Nov 15 16:04:50 kroot: lol ok, thanks :) Nov 15 16:27:17 Heh Nov 15 16:27:20 Anyone here listening? Nov 15 16:27:23 I got omsething to say Nov 15 16:27:29 For SPARTAA Nov 15 16:28:05 !!1!!!11 Nov 15 16:29:36 roflle! Nov 15 16:32:12 What happened to platform/bootable/recovery? I still have donut trees that I would like to still repo sync properly. Nov 15 16:41:40 am i the only one who sad "WTF IS THIS" when i first went onto google wave Nov 15 16:45:30 isit possible to just load my own mp3s onto the sdcard and play them with the built in player? Nov 15 16:47:35 anyone know if AT&T has plans to pick up the Android that Motorola is making for Verizon right now? Nov 15 16:48:01 i want one really bad but my contract isnt up with AT&T for another year Nov 15 16:48:10 People who know that kind of stuff can't talk about it. Nov 15 16:49:04 thats a round-a-bout way of waying yes... Nov 15 16:49:07 didn't i read they might come to canada? buy unlocked and use on AT&T ? Nov 15 16:49:09 :) Nov 15 16:49:30 where do you get them unlocked? Nov 15 16:49:37 you buy them unlocked Nov 15 16:49:42 yeah, where? Nov 15 16:49:54 They're not out yet. Nov 15 16:50:12 anyone know a timeline on that? Nov 15 16:50:19 Pick a date. Nov 15 16:50:36 23th nov Nov 15 16:50:43 That's the best guess I'veh eard. Nov 15 16:50:51 greaaat.... Nov 15 16:51:06 dunno about canada Nov 15 16:51:13 i might sell some of the german version Nov 15 16:51:27 The Sholes passed the FCC with frequencies that are AT&T and Rogers(Canada) compatible Nov 15 16:51:40 Whether this means it will be released on AT&T or Rogers or both is anybody's guess. Nov 15 16:51:56 alright Nov 15 16:52:11 rogers is the way to go Nov 15 16:52:23 That's where my money is on it ending up Nov 15 16:52:31 what is "rogers"? Nov 15 16:52:37 Canadian telco Nov 15 16:52:42 ahhh Nov 15 16:52:50 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_Communications Nov 15 16:52:51 the canadian counterpart of att Nov 15 16:52:57 Brett rogers? Nov 15 16:53:03 wasnt he KO'd last week? Nov 15 16:53:08 ... Nov 15 16:53:17 FEDOR EMELIANENKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Nov 15 16:53:34 so, is the Canadian telco run by the government up there? Nov 15 16:53:45 Its run by eskimos and polar bears Nov 15 16:53:51 really? Nov 15 16:53:53 nice Nov 15 16:54:03 probably better than AT&T Nov 15 16:54:07 :) Nov 15 16:54:14 They eat pancakes with maple syrup while ice skating Nov 15 16:54:28 Oh, and the're communist. Nov 15 16:54:37 (What other canadian slur am I missing....) Nov 15 16:54:45 lol Nov 15 16:54:50 (something about Celine Dione?) Nov 15 16:54:55 thats talant if they can do it while ice skating... but i hate communists... so i'll stick with AT&T Nov 15 16:54:59 its dion not dione Nov 15 16:55:00 lol Nov 15 16:55:25 Whatever. Nov 15 16:56:02 ^^ Nov 15 16:56:42 Wat# Nov 15 17:01:01 COME ON Nov 15 17:01:07 HTC !! Nov 15 17:01:46 lool Nov 15 17:01:55 first I see a HTC groopie Nov 15 17:06:19 can I create a shortcut key for my application? Nov 15 17:15:28 So has anyone been having random droid reboots? Nov 15 17:17:33 piroko: Vulc4n has I believe. Nov 15 17:17:42 nope Nov 15 17:17:46 nnot me piroko Nov 15 17:17:48 so far so good Nov 15 17:17:50 ^^ Nov 15 17:18:16 I just had two in a row yesterday. Once immediately after I downloaded a 244MB video from the browser, and again after I opened the file manager to go and delete it Nov 15 17:18:28 I'm hoping it was a software glitch Nov 15 17:19:04 I backed up all my stuff off the sd card, reformatted, and put everything back just to make sure the fs wasn't corrupt or something Nov 15 17:19:13 hi Nov 15 17:19:25 anyone has some problem to do a repo sync ? Nov 15 17:19:29 Although in linux having a corrupt fs on a non-system drive typically wouldn't cause a reboot like that... I just want to know what caused it :/ Nov 15 17:19:56 TitanMKD: I've heard reports that the kernel.org European mirror was having problems. Nov 15 17:20:17 jbq does there is an other mirror ? Nov 15 17:20:48 TitanMKD: my mirror (I'm in California) is fine. I don't know how to explicitly select a specific mirror, though. Nov 15 17:31:23 has flash been released ? Nov 15 17:32:13 i have flash on my browser, HTC Hero from Sprint Nov 15 17:32:42 what about the g1 ? Nov 15 17:32:53 idk, i dont have that phone Nov 15 17:33:48 when is 2.0 going to be released ? Nov 15 17:33:51 and reports from google say there still is no news Nov 15 17:33:59 the code just dropped 2 nights ago Nov 15 17:34:04 mmm Nov 15 17:34:10 i cant wait for flash Nov 15 17:34:33 so soon if your using an altered version, like senseui, if you are running just android, its already out Nov 15 17:34:44 just probably not pushed to your device yet or cant be upgraded Nov 15 17:34:55 im new to this, and might be wrong on the upgrade part Nov 15 17:35:24 senseui ? i justed rooted my g1 Nov 15 17:37:21 ahh ok Nov 15 17:37:23 i didnt Nov 15 17:37:27 i just got it friday Nov 15 17:37:30 and loooove it Nov 15 17:38:56 ? Nov 15 17:54:27 Hallo Nov 15 17:54:59 Is the onboard memory limitation for installation a software thing? Nov 15 17:55:55 Yes, but it's a really tricky one. Nov 15 18:00:01 jbq: how so? Nov 15 18:01:06 hm, what do i need to do to disable the sound when i take a picture? Nov 15 18:01:08 Netburp dont? Nov 15 18:01:13 done Nov 15 18:01:18 jbq: how so? Nov 15 18:01:33 DaskreecH: security and stability. Nov 15 18:02:54 jbq: Security? Nov 15 18:03:57 Yes, two aspects there. One: if you lose your phone, anyone can get to your SD card's content without any password or special tools. Two: the phone itself can't be sure that the card's content hasn't been tampered with. Nov 15 18:08:24 I looking for an app that will extract a passworded zip file any suggestions? Nov 15 18:14:02 looking to buy an android device that can run 2.0 smoothly and run on at&t network ..... is there such a phone? Nov 15 18:14:44 No. Nov 15 18:15:44 Renfield: no on which one? Nov 15 18:16:14 There is no such phone that can run 2.0 smoothly and run on AT&T's network. Nov 15 18:16:25 jbq: but surely an app should be able to flag itself as a safe app to install to the SD card Nov 15 18:16:39 I'm sure no one cares if I have my flashlight app on the SD crad Nov 15 18:16:46 The only phone out right now with Android 2.0 is the Motorola Droid. It does not have the radios necessary to run on AT&T's network. Nov 15 18:16:48 or my hearts game Nov 15 18:16:49 'Afternoon Nov 15 18:17:04 Renfield: What about hte milestone? Nov 15 18:17:08 wait, none of the other phones can even run 2.0? Nov 15 18:17:18 Doesn't 2.0 require 1.0ghz? Nov 15 18:17:22 The "snapdragon" Nov 15 18:17:24 Not currently. Nov 15 18:17:31 thats just ridiculous, lol Nov 15 18:17:33 thats pretty shitty Nov 15 18:17:41 lol Nov 15 18:17:49 crazyspai: No, the Droid doesn't have a snapdragon. Nov 15 18:17:58 long time bb user and sprint person here, was looking to pick up a samsung moment to fiddle with. Nov 15 18:18:17 I believe it is being worked on by HTC, and also the rooting folks are working on it. Nov 15 18:18:19 Renfield: Alright, I'm getting my Gizmodo posts mixed up apparently. Nov 15 18:20:03 Actually, if I remember correctly, Android 2.0 is supposed to have some improvements in speed, so it could be a better experience on older phones. Nov 15 18:20:22 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/14/AR2009111402868.html Nov 15 18:20:30 Renfield: From posts and videos I've seen from Gizmodo and Lifehacker, it is supposed to be more responsive. Nov 15 18:20:54 Oh, and the Milestone, I'm not sure if it has the right frequencies for AT&T. Will cost at least $600. Nov 15 18:21:13 That is what the droid is at right now without a contract. Nov 15 18:21:18 I think there is another version of the Droid destined for Latin America that will have the right frequencies for AT&T. Nov 15 18:21:39 Yes, so I can't imagine you could import the Milestone for less than that. Nov 15 18:22:32 im on at&t mom and bros are on verizon, thinking of just getting the phone on their family plan and pay 40 bux a month Nov 15 18:22:38 but thats two years and booo Nov 15 18:23:20 150+960 for plane = 1110 total just to have another phone Nov 15 18:23:21 nownot, you can buy a bell/telus canadian droid unlock it and use it on att. Nov 15 18:23:29 nownot: If you decide to leave before the end of the two years, the sale of the Droid on Ebay should make up for the early termination fee. Nov 15 18:23:34 expensive, but doable Nov 15 18:23:59 then again, you will be using $10-15 medianet and not 30 bux pda. Nov 15 18:24:15 Versed: 10-15? thought full data was 30 Nov 15 18:24:26 tell them you using a regular phone. Nov 15 18:24:40 10 bux is if you have unlimited family texting. Nov 15 18:24:40 nownot, I must say Verizon's service is unparalleled. Nov 15 18:24:56 crazyspai: used to have verizon, great servcie Nov 15 18:25:23 problem with vzw and yeah they have excellent coverage is not being able to do data/voice. Nov 15 18:25:26 and $350 etf Nov 15 18:26:48 nownot: Yesterday when I switched, if I just had my phone and my standard 700 minutes it would be about $50 a month. Nov 15 18:26:55 That is with unlimited texting Nov 15 18:27:15 crazyspai: and thats unlimited data? Nov 15 18:27:32 nownot: Uh huh. There is a $25 charge for smartphones that is unlimited data/email Nov 15 18:27:46 im so confused about this data thing and "medianet" Nov 15 18:28:02 Versed: how do i get the data for 10-15 a month? Nov 15 18:28:23 As far as I know, the guy at the store said "There will be a $25 increase per month for smart phone" I was like aight. Nov 15 18:28:25 wont they know its a droid and charge 30 instead of regular phone Nov 15 18:28:31 I added a line, went in with an N95, told them I want data. Nov 15 18:28:46 so its 10 bux for the added line, and 10 bux for the data. Nov 15 18:28:56 then I bought a rogers magic. Nov 15 18:28:58 unlocked. Nov 15 18:29:08 added the correct apn's. Nov 15 18:29:10 and walla. Nov 15 18:29:12 working Nov 15 18:29:17 $10 for data Nov 15 18:29:45 you get a $5.00 discount on data for my family messaging plan. Nov 15 18:29:52 makes it 10 bux Nov 15 18:30:01 Versed: I looked at that route but then realized I would be using the phone for business as well, so I just used by tax ID my verizon business discount and my contract discount. Nov 15 18:30:28 I got away with paying $75 for my ERIS and new plan. Nov 15 18:30:31 I get a discount with vzw too. Nov 15 18:30:52 thing is, with vzw, your for the most part locked into their phones. Nov 15 18:30:55 My Tax ID kicked 6 bucks off the tab. My business discount was 10% on any smartphone, then my contract discount was 15% Nov 15 18:31:15 I get 22% discount with vzw Nov 15 18:31:20 I don't mind their phones to be honest. I've been with them since I was 12. Nov 15 18:31:22 if I so choose Nov 15 18:31:46 its ok, if you're happy with them Nov 15 18:32:00 I just prefer the freedom of gsm. Nov 15 18:32:01 It's so nice being contracted to a company that is contracted with Verizon. You get so much free or discounted shit. Nov 15 18:32:10 gsm? Nov 15 18:32:19 what the rest of the world uses. Nov 15 18:32:28 tmobile and att are gsm Nov 15 18:32:30 Renfield: I'm not in teh states so AT&T means little to me :) Nov 15 18:32:34 Unlimited Data Usage $44.99/month damn Nov 15 18:32:52 how the hell? 10 bux? i think someone is one something Nov 15 18:32:54 att was almost gone. Fucking Apple saved their asses. Nov 15 18:33:25 the plan vzw shown me was $99 for 450 mins, unlimited texting, unlimited data for the droid, then subtract 22% from that. Nov 15 18:33:41 basically the same as any pda or blackberry Nov 15 18:33:44 AT&T is essentially gone. They were bought up by Bell South, and BS renamed themselves to AT&T. Nov 15 18:34:01 I usually go to the store instead of doing the online thing for phones. You tend to get deals and discounts if you go in. Nov 15 18:34:02 ok Nov 15 18:34:33 in anycase, cingular was jointly owned by them and the carrier they bought, then they bought the old att. Nov 15 18:34:35 who cares? Nov 15 18:34:49 25 years ago, they were all att Nov 15 18:34:56 Where did you get the 22% discount? Nov 15 18:35:03 I get it from work Nov 15 18:35:09 23% for sprint Nov 15 18:35:14 24% for att. Nov 15 18:35:25 Cool. I only get 20%. 25% from Sprint. Nothing from AT&T. Nov 15 18:36:04 sprint has a killer deal, basically all of what vzw offers and more, $52 per month after taxes Nov 15 18:36:14 with my discount. Nov 15 18:36:24 and the moment is one nice phone. Nov 15 18:38:39 right now I'm not getting anything. I'm waiting for the acer liquid and/or the SE x10 Nov 15 18:39:17 both are going to support nam hsdpa, which means good for att. Nov 15 18:40:36 Does anyone know the typical charge time for the HTC Hero/ERIS? Nov 15 18:41:15 "Constant". Nov 15 18:41:33 * crazyspai doesn't understand. Nov 15 18:41:37 I had the Hero for three weeks. It seemed to suck the life out of the battery. Nov 15 18:41:46 I always had it charging. Nov 15 18:42:00 Ah. I seem to be getting about 16 hours out of it per charge. Nov 15 18:42:07 WOW. Nov 15 18:42:18 You have the Hero, or Eris? Nov 15 18:42:27 ERIS Nov 15 18:42:29 crazyspai, my htc magic is similar. I can usually get a full charge or 99% in like 90mins from near dead. Nov 15 18:42:40 Oh, I think there might be a bit more different between the two than we think. Nov 15 18:43:08 Possibly. I also am a process nazi. I make sure that nothing is running except for what I need to be running. Nov 15 18:43:11 Someone was saying that his Eris wasn't laggy. My Hero was constantly laggy, unusably so. Nov 15 18:43:29 Versed: Thanks. I've had it plugged in since 11ish and I still have the red light. Not fully charged yet. Nov 15 18:43:34 It was totally dead however. Nov 15 18:44:00 might be different enough Nov 15 18:44:07 gsm vs, cdma radio. Nov 15 18:44:17 Well, for me I couldn't get through an entire day without charging the the Hero. But actually that wasn't what you were asking. I'm not sure how long it takes to charge. Nov 15 18:44:26 might be a bad battery too. Nov 15 18:45:06 crazyspai: Plugged into the wall, or into your computer? Nov 15 18:45:11 I went the entire way yesterday charging it. Last night it unplugged it around 10 and by 11 I had exhausted it. Nov 15 18:45:12 my biggest issue with the battery is at work, no signal no matter the carrier gets through, it sux the life out of the battery. Nov 15 18:45:13 Wall Nov 15 18:45:19 I toss it on airplane mode Nov 15 18:45:46 I just checked it. It is at 97% Nov 15 18:45:53 So +- 1% Nov 15 18:46:46 About 2 hours from a complete dead to charge to 100% if anyone cares. Nov 15 18:46:59 Remember, that's on a brand new battery that has already started training. Nov 15 18:49:34 Tomorrow is my phone's test day. I have school and will be using it almost the entire day. I will most likely have a lot of the battery conservation tricks in effect but if it lasts the entire school/work day I will be content. Nov 15 18:50:03 toss it on airplane mode Nov 15 18:50:14 I need to be able to access my docs. Nov 15 18:50:22 Heh, to me that kind of defeats the purpose of having a phone. Nov 15 18:50:34 you can use the phone, just no calls, no data and no texts Nov 15 18:50:44 if the docs are on the phone, you can use it Nov 15 18:51:50 you can listen to music Nov 15 18:51:56 you can play games Nov 15 18:53:55 Fortunately, though I have poor signal at work, the Droid lasts a day quite well. Nov 15 18:54:05 How do you push changes into Android? Nov 15 18:54:24 I have found the biggest drain on the battery is the GPS. As long as I exit applications that use it, I am OK. Nov 15 18:54:25 poor signal is worse then full bars Nov 15 18:54:33 and no signal is even worse Nov 15 18:55:16 DaskreecH: do you mean, contributing to the open-source project? Nov 15 18:55:44 even if I don't toss it on airplane, after 8 plus yours there's still battery, like 35% Nov 15 18:55:49 hours Nov 15 18:59:32 Versed: Is there a way to download docs to the Android from say GDocs? Nov 15 19:00:03 honestly I don't know Nov 15 19:00:53 there are apps that do it Nov 15 19:03:57 I could always email them to myself and save the attachment. Nov 15 19:04:02 I'll work on it. Nov 15 19:09:35 Do you guys know of anywhere I can download scenes? I mean, i enjoy the one I setup but it would be cool to see what other people use. Nov 15 19:10:26 jbq: Yes Nov 15 19:10:59 Search for "android contribute" in your favorite search engine ;-) http://source.android.com/submit-patches Nov 15 19:16:04 hmm, is there anything that makes android speak ics/icalendar? Nov 15 19:18:41 pfn: I think you can import icalendars to your google calendar Nov 15 19:23:00 The-Compiler, it gives me an error when I do it and no explanation why Nov 15 19:46:43 Do you know if people have been able to install Cyanogen on Verizon's HTC Eris? Nov 15 19:53:54 Does Milestone have different hardware to the Droid? Nov 15 19:54:16 gsm transceiver Nov 15 19:54:24 as opposed to cdma Nov 15 19:54:31 that's about it, AFAIK Nov 15 19:56:30 to bad its not a google experience phone :( Nov 15 19:56:43 google experience? Nov 15 19:56:52 like the g1 and shiz Nov 15 19:56:56 doesnt have nav and stuff Nov 15 19:57:00 oh Nov 15 19:57:15 would it not be a matter of just installing the apk? Nov 15 19:57:18 yeah it has some MotoNav shiz Nov 15 19:57:34 when you say nav do you mean google maps or am I missing something? Nov 15 19:58:02 any of you know about amps, volts and usb hubs? I've got a hub with an optional (but not included) power in. I've got a 1.5a @ 8.4v power adapter that will fit into the port. will I fry my dream, headphones, mouse, keyboard, etc. if I use it? Nov 15 19:58:03 no that google navigation shiz Nov 15 19:58:58 cj: I'm pretty sure usb is rated for 5v Nov 15 19:59:05 anything more than that would be bad Nov 15 19:59:10 Hello Nov 15 19:59:24 ewon: d'oh. thanks for the info. I'll see if I can find something else in that case. Nov 15 19:59:39 I've never owned an Android phone before... I plan on buying the HTC Hero pretty soon (GSM Unlocked) Nov 15 19:59:52 I heard a lot about it having lag issues Nov 15 20:00:01 should I be worried about that? Nov 15 20:00:07 depends on the rom you're running Nov 15 20:00:16 the original Nov 15 20:00:21 the one it comes with Nov 15 20:00:26 a stripped down 3rd party rom is generally a lot smoother than the stock rom Nov 15 20:00:27 I might install Modaco but Nov 15 20:00:40 that said, I run the stock 1.6 rom, and I find it pretty responsive Nov 15 20:00:51 install something like taskiller so you can kill things you don't need running Nov 15 20:01:07 aah Nov 15 20:01:08 if anything, my iphone2G lagged out more than my g1 does Nov 15 20:01:14 oh Nov 15 20:01:21 cool, so lag shouldn't really be an issue for me? Nov 15 20:01:58 hi ! i planning to by htc tattoo ! is it good ? Nov 15 20:02:57 Hey manitou... I can tell you this much; the Android with HTC Sense it amazing to use :P Nov 15 20:03:07 it's not much special, it's the cheapest available. Nov 15 20:03:28 Gormandy, you're gonna by that POS o.O Nov 15 20:03:33 the Hero unlocked? Nov 15 20:03:40 brb Nov 15 20:03:51 im looking for cheap :) Nov 15 20:04:49 ewon: 500mA @ 4.5V? Nov 15 20:04:50 what do you mean POS? Point of Sales? :P Nov 15 20:04:56 I plan on buying it on Amazon / Ebay Nov 15 20:05:12 cj: 5v - not idea what the effect of under-volting wold be Nov 15 20:05:13 *would Nov 15 20:05:56 *sigh* I don't have one of those ;) Nov 15 20:06:03 I guess this calls for another trip to fry's Nov 15 20:08:19 the droid is currently the most powerful android phone available in the U.S yeah? Nov 15 20:17:14 back Nov 15 20:19:50 ewon: I've heard that it uses the multitouch interface for Android 2.0 while the Droid does not Nov 15 20:24:00 AakashPatel, im not sure what you meant by POS but I'll be buying it online. (POS = Point of Sale or something else for android? :P) Nov 15 20:24:27 peice of shit Nov 15 20:24:27 haha Nov 15 20:24:45 why is that? Nov 15 20:25:25 it has the same cpu and shiz as the magic Nov 15 20:26:02 well I'm not really that worried about that ::P Nov 15 20:26:03 :P* Nov 15 20:26:05 I think my droid became self aware Nov 15 20:26:12 the hero has got more RAM (256MB opposed to 192MB), and that actually makes a difference Nov 15 20:26:19 its touch screen is moving stuff and clicking stuff on its own Nov 15 20:26:24 anyone know where I need to put my vpn certs for android 2.0 to recognize them when creating a "L2TP / IPSec CRT"? I have them in the root of my sd card folder Nov 15 20:26:26 any ideas? Nov 15 20:26:40 CIDIC, haha you got h4xed Nov 15 20:26:52 what do I do? Nov 15 20:27:04 what were you doing when it started happening? Nov 15 20:27:07 CIDIC, reboot ? Nov 15 20:27:13 tried that Nov 15 20:27:31 try wiping and cross your fingers Nov 15 20:27:52 the battery ran down and went dead for the first time last night and when I charged it and turned it on today its crazy Nov 15 20:28:10 is there rally a virus on this thing? Nov 15 20:28:16 how can I wipe it? Nov 15 20:28:23 CIDIC, do you have adb set up? Nov 15 20:28:43 I dunno what that is so I guess not Nov 15 20:29:17 has anyone heard of this? Nov 15 20:29:32 i would give a reboot a go (again) Nov 15 20:29:44 this is the third one Nov 15 20:29:54 if its unusable, i would try a wipe (you will lose everything which is not in the SD) Nov 15 20:30:03 thats ok with me Nov 15 20:30:04 you can do that from the settings Nov 15 20:30:06 how do I wipe it? Nov 15 20:30:08 factory reset or something like that Nov 15 20:30:59 CIDIC, your third droid? Nov 15 20:31:01 hell send me one Nov 15 20:31:03 haha Nov 15 20:31:10 third reset Nov 15 20:31:13 oh lol Nov 15 20:32:05 so no one has heard of this? Nov 15 20:32:37 nope Nov 15 20:32:48 If you reset it then I guess send it back for a new one Nov 15 20:33:06 i guess so Nov 15 20:33:12 I haven't had it that long Nov 15 20:33:16 just got it on the 7th Nov 15 20:33:27 i would still take it if you want Nov 15 20:33:28 hehe Nov 15 20:33:58 I'm not even sure who to talk to about this Nov 15 20:34:36 its random, touch screen swipes and clicks, randomly intervaled Nov 15 20:34:37 verizon Nov 15 20:35:02 I don't see anyone at the store I got it from knowing what to do about it Nov 15 20:35:16 They should give you a new one Nov 15 20:35:24 hum Nov 15 20:35:25 its been less than 2 weeks Nov 15 20:35:53 tried removing the battery completely and leave it like that for a few minutes? Nov 15 20:35:55 I had it plugged into the wall charger and it was going crazy I unplugged it took the battery out put it back in and turned it on without the wall charget and its ok Nov 15 20:36:29 yo can anyone tell me if there are any risks when u install a custom rom on android? (HTC Hero) Nov 15 20:36:38 and if there are... what are they? Nov 15 20:37:00 does the hero have an unlocked bootloader? Nov 15 20:37:11 have no clue but i know that people install Nov 15 20:37:39 freaky Nov 15 20:37:39 install custom roms Nov 15 20:38:06 anyone know anythign about the "simple" language google came up with for android? Nov 15 20:38:08 CIDIC was the phone warmer than usual? Nov 15 20:38:13 no Nov 15 20:38:42 I live in the US, but spend a lot of time in Europe, so I definitely need a GSM phone Nov 15 20:38:48 the only thing I can think of now is, that I'm using the usb carger cord, plugged into an ac adapter and plugged into the wall, but the ac adapter isn't the one that came with the cord Nov 15 20:38:56 hopefully the Milestone is compat with tmob 3g here in the states Nov 15 20:39:10 Hai there Nov 15 20:39:13 but that doesn't seem like it should cause what happened Nov 15 20:39:14 o/ Nov 15 20:40:30 Like anyone uses tmob Nov 15 20:43:29 * thedicemaster pokes CrazySpai_Phone with an MDA Compact IV Nov 15 20:46:38 anyone do freelance android programing Nov 15 20:46:38 ? Nov 15 20:46:46 >.> Nov 15 20:46:47 <.< Nov 15 20:46:50 * crazyspai raises hands Nov 15 20:48:50 CrazySpai is afk I am on mah phone nao Nov 15 20:48:59 do you what's the difference between HTC Hero and HTC Eris? Nov 15 20:49:16 can I pm you CrazySpai_Phone Nov 15 20:49:50 carriers apparently battery life. software is not as laggy Nov 15 20:50:03 you may PM me Nov 15 20:50:34 TO ANYONE CONSIDERING SWITCHING TO VERIZON: Nov 15 20:50:35 http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/11/15/dont-shop-drunk-verizons-350-etf-is-now-live/ Nov 15 20:50:41 $350 ETF, so be careful Nov 15 20:52:06 "This has been a Public Service Announcement brought to you by TommyBres" Nov 15 20:52:10 they are surly evil Nov 15 20:52:14 $350 is crazy Nov 15 20:52:27 morrildl: hah yeah, well, i figured this was a big enough deal that everyone should be aware :S Nov 15 20:52:35 you should see the red check of satan fanboi's defending them. Nov 15 20:52:53 $350 is nearly the cost of an ADP2, not like anyone would want a shitty rooted MT3G for 4 bills, but the point stands Nov 15 20:52:55 I am not defending their actions, but just to play devil's advocate: in the case of Droid, at least, you probably actually are getting a $300+ subsidy on the hardware Nov 15 20:53:09 morrildl: look at AT&T and iPhone, you can buy for $300 and resell for $700 Nov 15 20:53:17 nright Nov 15 20:53:18 ...they still don't double my ETF, because they're not scum Nov 15 20:53:26 and its not only droid phones. Nov 15 20:53:26 errr, correction... not as scummy as verizon Nov 15 20:53:43 buy an older type bb curve, and get anally raped with a 350 erf Nov 15 20:53:46 etf Nov 15 20:53:59 whats etf? Nov 15 20:54:08 early termination fee Nov 15 20:54:13 oh sheit Nov 15 20:54:35 att and vzw prior, was $175 minus 5 bux a month Nov 15 20:54:45 Personally (by which I mean, my personal opinion, not company policy etc.) I like what T-Mobile's done. They are kind of pushing people toward a more transparent model, where it's evident what you are paying for. I think it's useful to realize that your hardware actually costs more than you thought, and in return you don't have a contract Nov 15 20:54:53 every mobile provider in the nation has been $175 for years and years and years Nov 15 20:55:04 now verizon said hey, we finally got a phone people want, let's double it Nov 15 20:55:06 tmo and sprint are 200 Nov 15 20:55:17 *shrug*, okay, still same ballpark... my bad Nov 15 20:55:18 what's a good android app search site? Nov 15 20:55:21 but ok close enough Nov 15 20:55:28 jaggz-: there are none, google shut down cyrket (indirectly) Nov 15 20:55:28 crikey net is down or something Nov 15 20:55:40 tommy, how'd that happen? Nov 15 20:55:48 I hear the Senate is already investigating vzw over this, good for them. Nov 15 20:55:56 kroot: I just finished building donut, your patches worked just perfect. Nov 15 20:56:08 jaggz-: something about limiting the amount of views from one account on market per time span? i don't know, either way, cyrket is dead Nov 15 20:56:13 and tommy, I'm sure, AT&T is going to follow suit. Nov 15 20:56:23 i need an app to take voice notes which will also use voice-recognition Nov 15 20:56:24 they're no better Nov 15 20:56:26 morrildl: are you referring to the adp2 or what? o.O Nov 15 20:56:37 Versed: the day AT&T doubles their ETF is the day i get out of my contract with no ETF Nov 15 20:56:39 TommyBres: no, their Even More thing Nov 15 20:56:42 to convert the note to speech.. and also let me take a photo and annotate it and add tags to it Nov 15 20:56:52 mark my words, i'm on t-mobile as soon as AT&T puts the ETF at $350 Nov 15 20:57:06 it will be almost a non-issue, I usually get after market phones Nov 15 20:57:16 morrildl: oh, okay... i don't know enough about their plans to comment, i'm not on t-mo Nov 15 20:57:52 tommy, I bet they will follow too. Nov 15 20:58:14 these guys will do whatever they can get away with Nov 15 20:58:15 TommyBres: in a nutshell, their Even More thing has no contract (and thus no ETF), has no subsidy on hardware, but instead has an installment payment plan where you can buy a phone and then pay an extra $20 a month or whatever until it's paid off Nov 15 20:58:23 Versed: it's not so much about me leaving them, i've been with them since october of 2000 on the same account... there's a reason i'm not with vzw, horrible business practices Nov 15 20:58:43 I'm just not a cdma fan Nov 15 20:58:48 to restrictive Nov 15 20:59:13 morrildl: awesome idea, i love it. i never understood the bullshit behind subsidized phones and the fact that the cost really comes out of your contract anyways, i'd rather get cheaper plans and let me handle the handset Nov 15 20:59:50 * TommyBres has an upgrade available december 17th... and will not use it. :P Nov 15 20:59:56 tommy, unfortunatly like over 90% of the population disagree with both of us on this. Nov 15 21:00:06 so i think that means my contract ends june 17th? ugprades are at what, 18 months? Nov 15 21:00:22 yeah Nov 15 21:00:28 to keep one enslaved Nov 15 21:00:45 Versed: that's fine, but they should do it differently here... if you don't get a subsidized handset, you pay $50/mo for xxx minutes, x data, etcetc... if you get subsidized, you pay $60/mo Nov 15 21:00:46 TommyBres: yep, that's pretty much what T-Mobile is doing. I hope the notion takes off and all the other carriers do it too Nov 15 21:01:36 oh, here's a note to current verizon subscribers though... earlier this year t-mobile changed the price of one of their features and customers were able to get out of their contract with no ETF because they didn't agree to the new terms Nov 15 21:01:38 morridl, I'm not a big fan of tmo, but to each their own. if your happy with them, thats cool. Nov 15 21:01:54 i BELIEVE you could get out of your contract with VZW with no ETF because they raised it Nov 15 21:02:16 the etf fee is for new and upgrades, its not backdated Nov 15 21:02:17 TommyBres: only if they attempted to apply it to existing contracts, which is unlikely Nov 15 21:02:28 morrildl: you don't think? Nov 15 21:03:34 i think they'd send everyone a letter with tons of fine print, "changes in your terms of service"... and by not canceling your service within 14 days you hereby agree to these terms, i think that's what t-mo's was Nov 15 21:03:45 its 30 days Nov 15 21:04:00 you have a billing cycle Nov 15 21:04:03 okay, well whatever the case, they could surely sneak it under the radar for most customers Nov 15 21:07:11 morrildl: awesome idea, i love it. i never understood the bullshit behind subsidized phones and the fact that the cost really comes out of your contract anyways, i'd rather get cheaper plans and let me handle the handset Nov 15 21:07:26 excellent french accent here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6YdwzAvwOA&feature=player_embedded Nov 15 21:07:27 can you not buy a PAYG handset and get a cheaper service plan on a SIM-only deal? Nov 15 21:07:34 I know you can here in the UK Nov 15 21:07:57 MrHorus: eh, come again? Nov 15 21:08:01 I bought my iPhone on PAYG and used my T-Mobile SIM in it as it has a better data tarriff than anything O2 were offering Nov 15 21:08:10 you mean a prepaid plan? Nov 15 21:08:14 yes Nov 15 21:08:28 yeah but we get molested with charges on prepaid plans, data especially Nov 15 21:08:38 who said anything about the plan being pre-pay? Nov 15 21:08:47 you buy the HANDSET as a PAYG offer Nov 15 21:08:48 TommyBres> you mean a prepaid plan? Nov 15 21:08:48 yes Nov 15 21:08:51 you did, sir. Nov 15 21:08:56 then you get a contract as a SIM-only deal Nov 15 21:09:02 sim-only? Nov 15 21:09:05 yes Nov 15 21:09:10 as in, you only get the SIM Nov 15 21:09:13 we have no such thing Nov 15 21:09:14 hence "SIM only" Nov 15 21:09:18 ah, sucks :/ Nov 15 21:09:23 yeah Nov 15 21:09:42 if you go to an AT&T store the clowns in the store will tell you they can't even start a contract on your phone, you need to buy a phone to start a 2 year contract and get service with them Nov 15 21:09:50 what T-Mobile do here is offer you billing discounts as well if you don't take a handset when you renew your contract Nov 15 21:09:52 it's bullshit, but i promise, every AT&T store says that to make money off of phone sales Nov 15 21:10:02 I could have had a discount on my current bill but I opted to get a free Hero instead :) Nov 15 21:10:16 MrHorus: that's precisely what i think we should do here, everyone here pays the same monthly for the same plans whether they get a subsidized phone or not Nov 15 21:10:26 the only thing about the subsidy that changes is a 2 year contract Nov 15 21:10:41 LOL @ free hero, even subsidized we pay what, $200 for the hero? $300? Nov 15 21:10:50 really? Nov 15 21:11:07 I've had a free Wizard and Kaiser before on my previous upgrades :( Nov 15 21:11:18 yes... the only free phones here are super shitty handsets, no such thing as a free smartphone Nov 15 21:11:39 the G1 was considered a cheap smartphone when it released here for $180 with contract Nov 15 21:12:42 I just put a ZAGG invisibleSHIELD on my Hero here. Nov 15 21:13:11 nice, how'd it turn out? Nov 15 21:13:50 doesn't seem like it'd protect the corners from scratches Nov 15 21:14:04 ouch Nov 15 21:14:20 kroot, mine for the ADP started peeling off after a couple of months Nov 15 21:14:24 granted you won't get a free handset on a cheaper tarriff, but generally on higher rate ones you get the handset free Nov 15 21:14:28 did you put the full body protection? coz full body protects corners :) Nov 15 21:14:45 But it went on easily with the "applicator fluid" Nov 15 21:14:48 might be due to its many corners etc Nov 15 21:15:01 yes, full body Nov 15 21:15:05 MrHorus: we have 5 lines and pay $200+/mo, and if i wanted a blackberry bold right now it'd cost me $300 Nov 15 21:15:12 including subsidy Nov 15 21:15:22 why do you need 5 lines? Nov 15 21:15:39 He talks a LOT Nov 15 21:15:41 family plan... 5 people in the family Nov 15 21:15:44 LOL kroot Nov 15 21:15:48 ahh Nov 15 21:16:01 how many competitors are there to your current provider? Nov 15 21:16:01 1400 minutes, unlimited texting for all, 2 lines have unlimited data Nov 15 21:16:53 I am going to try to add my wife to this SERO plan on Sprint Nov 15 21:17:05 good luck on that Nov 15 21:17:29 heh Nov 15 21:17:52 kroot: poor man Nov 15 21:18:05 I've recently uninstalled the Girlfriend application before upgrading to Wife Nov 15 21:18:11 I find I have far, far more money now than I used to :) Nov 15 21:18:27 kroot: HAHA good luck Nov 15 21:18:42 think vzw is bad, see what happens if you etf the new wife. Nov 15 21:18:54 but you have more complaints to the customer service dept Nov 15 21:19:10 MrHorus: i uninstalled the Girlfriend application, but i'm too cheap to buy Wife, so i'm just pirating different apps for a while and seeing what's good :) Nov 15 21:19:47 * MrHorus nods Nov 15 21:19:53 I am trialing several demos atm :) Nov 15 21:20:10 BSA (Boyfriend Slacker Association) will come get you for that Nov 15 21:20:21 haha Nov 15 21:20:36 lol Nov 15 21:20:40 I'm straight with them - they all know about each other and are all ok Nov 15 21:20:49 much less hassle Nov 15 21:20:51 i like not having a girlfriend, now i just need this chick i'm trying to get with to not have a boyfriend Nov 15 21:20:56 now if only I could get them all in the one room at the one time :s Nov 15 21:21:12 epic win Nov 15 21:21:13 kinky Nov 15 21:21:18 lol Nov 15 21:21:25 I find myself missing 1.6 on this Sprint Hero Nov 15 21:21:42 can't you root it? Nov 15 21:21:48 don't feel bad, I don't have it for my rogers magic yet either Nov 15 21:21:53 no root on sprint hero Nov 15 21:22:03 what? :( Nov 15 21:22:21 different ipl/spl? Nov 15 21:22:45 Yeah, but I have a newer version of 1.5 than the release, so the mods are strangely worse Nov 15 21:23:08 ugh, that's a pain Nov 15 21:23:19 zinx found an exploit for Sprint Hero Nov 15 21:23:20 I didn't notice any huge different on 1.6, just a general feeling that things were a little bit faster Nov 15 21:23:24 I couldn't put my finger on it though Nov 15 21:23:52 I mess with my daughters g1 on 1.6, seems decent Nov 15 21:24:01 I like the new market more then anything else. Nov 15 21:24:20 I haven't really found anything on the market that was essential Nov 15 21:24:27 although the Google Skymap thing is nice Nov 15 21:24:31 really, really nice idea Nov 15 21:24:32 I mean the market ap Nov 15 21:24:40 is it different? Nov 15 21:24:41 androidirc Nov 15 21:24:48 in looks Nov 15 21:24:52 * MrHorus never used 1.5 much before flashing Nov 15 21:24:53 in content no Nov 15 21:25:00 G1 is definitely a first class citizen when it comes to mods Nov 15 21:45:24 how'd cyrknet get shut down? Nov 15 21:45:40 Magic monkeys. Nov 15 21:45:59 uh-oh, apparently jbq is still working today Nov 15 21:46:33 Yup Nov 15 21:49:44 kroot: donut built fine with me so I think there's something changed with eclair Nov 15 21:49:46 maennj: It looks like it fails on the eclair branch because you have to cherry-pick the change. Nov 15 21:50:05 kroot: oh ok Nov 15 21:50:07 maennj: Otherwise it tries to pull in a bunch of patches. Nov 15 21:50:23 I'll try to do that Nov 15 21:50:25 evening guys. i have a strange issues with ONE of my contacts; every time I try and view him, i get Contacts crashing on the phone. -I can edit the user though. Nov 15 21:50:27 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lntfwgsIxc Nov 15 21:50:29 it's just two changes right ? Nov 15 21:50:30 ITS A SAD DAY Nov 15 21:50:37 RIP Miley Cyrus Nov 15 21:50:40 i'm wondering how to find out what the problem is, rather than just wiping the contact and re-creating Nov 15 21:52:12 is that true or someone caused troubles in wikipedia ? Nov 15 21:52:21 MidnighToker: lolcat/bugreport show anything? Nov 15 21:53:29 TommyBres: ! Nov 15 21:53:38 ! Nov 15 21:53:42 give me a moment -from memory, it just says "fail!" Nov 15 21:53:47 (long time no see :)) Nov 15 21:53:58 haha yeah it's been a while, you disappeared Nov 15 21:54:12 i thought you'd crashed your bike or somethin horrible D: Nov 15 21:54:52 i did. had to sell it. (damn taxis) Nov 15 21:58:39 :(( Nov 15 21:58:40 TommyBres: open contacts. select Sam (this contact that crashes) and watch it crash on the phone. http://pastebin.ca/1672654 Nov 15 22:00:00 well at least it's showing something bad, and if i was smarter i'd know just what it was :D Nov 15 22:00:02 rashtop...I thought miley died last year Nov 15 22:00:10 yeah she did Nov 15 22:00:13 and then again today Nov 15 22:00:17 TommyBres: lol. well, ditto :-S Nov 15 22:00:31 i just don't want to delete it and have this problem go away... i'd like to know what it is. Nov 15 22:00:35 the contact works fine in google contacts Nov 15 22:04:42 hm Nov 15 22:05:02 is there an android app that shows which mp3s you are playing on your phone to google talk contacts? Nov 15 22:05:21 i hate people like you Nov 15 22:05:27 NO ONE CARES IF YOU'RE LISTENING TO MAROON 5 Nov 15 22:05:28 LOL Nov 15 22:05:28 haha Nov 15 22:05:43 TommyBres: maybe you don't :) Nov 15 22:05:50 but i could care less of what you think about someone Nov 15 22:06:01 Macer: when's the last time you had someone ask "what band and song are you listening to right now?" :P Nov 15 22:06:20 TommyBres: you mean you don't hang out on #DalNet :-P Nov 15 22:06:21 hey it's better that "what are you wearing??" Nov 15 22:06:24 i figured the more common question would be "can you send me that song" Nov 15 22:06:34 MidnighToker: haha i used to go on dalnet, not in a long time though Nov 15 22:06:37 Macer: lastFM? Nov 15 22:06:52 ari-free: that depends... when speaking to a smokin hot female who's very open, that can be a good question Nov 15 22:07:04 Macer: ohhh, so you want people to ask you for favors? Nov 15 22:07:13 TommyBres: however when talking to me, you just don't wanna know :-P Nov 15 22:07:14 see, i'd tell them "download it you lazy son of a bitch" Nov 15 22:07:19 right Nov 15 22:07:47 i think most people are more understanding Nov 15 22:07:47 yeah because that is what you want to tell girls you know :) hahaha. obviously your contact lists a sausage fest Nov 15 22:10:02 LOL Macer Nov 15 22:10:19 quite the opposite, but yours is obviously full of music lovers who like file transfers Nov 15 22:10:35 zomg felons Nov 15 22:10:45 stealing billions of dollars worth of music! Nov 15 22:10:47 took you that long? talk about coming up with a good lie? :) haha Nov 15 22:11:20 Macer: sorry, between this and #bioinformatics i have more people to talk to than you Nov 15 22:11:37 i mean, i wish everyone could spend their lives in #android at like 50 years old, but i have some more interesting things Nov 15 22:11:44 all men i'm sure Nov 15 22:11:48 hahahaa! Nov 15 22:12:52 oh shit, a gay joke Nov 15 22:13:11 :) Nov 15 22:13:17 woah. i didn't say anything about gay Nov 15 22:13:43 yeah because that is what you want to tell girls you know :) hahaha. obviously your contact lists a sausage fest Nov 15 22:13:50 "sausage fest" ? Nov 15 22:13:59 presumably you mean he is German and likes Bratwurst? Nov 15 22:14:05 er. ok. that wasn't a gay joke? Nov 15 22:14:22 a sausage fest is just a place lacking in women.. has nothing to do with homosexuality Nov 15 22:15:12 MrHorus: he's not clever enough to understand what an inference is Nov 15 22:15:19 if he didn't directly say it, he never said it at all Nov 15 22:15:30 TommyBres: er.... alrighty :) Nov 15 22:15:39 if i wanted to call you gay i wouldn't beat around the bush Nov 15 22:15:47 "yuck fou officer, HAHA I'M NOT BEING DISRESPECTFUL" Nov 15 22:16:12 anyways. let me see if i can find an app that does it seeing as you would rather insult than help :) Nov 15 22:16:31 lol, there is no app that does it because no one in history has ever been so lame Nov 15 22:16:53 okay i lied, these kids playing Quidditch in the courtyard at RIT are more lame Nov 15 22:16:54 http://files.evancharlton.com/nerds.jpg Nov 15 22:17:18 * MrHorus is much more interested in seeking the golden snatch than the golden snitch Nov 15 22:17:26 XD Nov 15 22:17:31 MrHorus: #android-offtopic Nov 15 22:17:33 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4646 Nov 15 22:17:55 http://www.filecluster.com/Internet/Tools-Utilities/Download-Windows-Live-Messenger-Now-Playing-Plugin.html Nov 15 22:17:58 Macer: oh snap, firefox for mozilla now? where can i download it? Nov 15 22:18:16 err Nov 15 22:18:18 s/mozilla/android Nov 15 22:18:21 haha tommy are you hating on my rit nerdzzzz? Nov 15 22:18:28 http://www.ehow.com/how_4784883_add-now-playing-script-adium.html Nov 15 22:18:29 hahahaha yesssss! Nov 15 22:18:40 TommyBres: the point was that there are plenty of these types of apps Nov 15 22:18:46 that plenty of people use :) Nov 15 22:18:49 actually i'm indirectly hating on macer, but he didn't pick up on it because he says other guys like guys and have buddy list sausagefests without calling them gay Nov 15 22:18:57 Macer: plenty of people are on 4chan... Nov 15 22:19:03 doesn't mean they're real people Nov 15 22:19:21 TommyBres: lol. sure it does. perverted maybe.. but irrelvant Nov 15 22:19:38 just because you do not like something does not mean everybody dislikes it.. didn't we learn that during the civil rights movement? :) Nov 15 22:19:56 anyways. i will see about finding an android app that does it. i'm sure there is one somewhere Nov 15 22:20:11 bet you $10? Nov 15 22:20:12 well Nov 15 22:20:18 hrm Nov 15 22:20:19 no Nov 15 22:20:22 not going to go there Nov 15 22:20:22 :) Nov 15 22:20:25 you have 24 hours, can't find it, paypal me $10, can find it, link me, i'll use it, and paypal you $10 Nov 15 22:20:35 deal Macer? Nov 15 22:20:57 <_jz> hello! sorry if it's a bit offtopic, but do you know if the HTC G1 had enough "bands" to be used seamlessly in Europe and in the USA ? Nov 15 22:21:09 _jz: on t-mobile US and in europe, yes Nov 15 22:21:19 <_jz> I know the US have some very exotic and retarded network... Nov 15 22:21:21 only for the t-mobile US version though... also, won't work on any other US network Nov 15 22:21:30 <_jz> TommyBres: how can I check this ? Nov 15 22:21:34 <_jz> Mine is from Orange in France Nov 15 22:21:37 lol, coming in here and calling our networks retarded isn't going to help Nov 15 22:21:46 <_jz> TommyBres: I know ;) Nov 15 22:21:48 _jz: your phone will work fine on any GSM US network, just won't get 3G Nov 15 22:21:55 <_jz> ah great! Nov 15 22:22:05 your phone has 900/2100mhz UMTS, T-Mobile US uses 1700/2100mhz, AT&T uses 850/1900mhz Nov 15 22:22:25 <_jz> TommyBres: aaah ok I didn't know that Nov 15 22:22:31 in terms a frenchman could understand, it'll be slow. Nov 15 22:22:41 <_jz> network might have been upgraded since I checked ;) Nov 15 22:22:54 <_jz> how could I understand? my broadbad is so much faster than yours! ;)) Nov 15 22:23:06 oh? Nov 15 22:23:20 i'm sorry, i pay $55usd (35euro?) for 25mbps down, 15mbps up Nov 15 22:23:31 i know that's absolutely horrible by your froggy standards, but i'm fairly content Nov 15 22:23:32 <_jz> yes. everybody has 30MBps with no download cap, for 30€ Nov 15 22:23:39 <_jz> yes that's quite nice Nov 15 22:23:43 <_jz> I heard of much worse deals Nov 15 22:23:51 <_jz> with download/upload caps that were horrible... Nov 15 22:24:05 <_jz> but i wasn't decided to troll here Nov 15 22:24:12 <_jz> it just slipped out as a joke Nov 15 22:24:16 :) Nov 15 22:24:18 haha i'm just having fun with you ;) Nov 15 22:24:19 <_jz> don't be offended ;) Nov 15 22:24:20 orange in the UK has 500mb caps (monthly)..... annoyingly t-mob (who offer me unlimited) are joining with them :( Nov 15 22:24:23 we love the frenchmen here in #android Nov 15 22:24:25 jbq: bah, problems in eclair newer GCC complains about. Nov 15 22:24:35 ^^^speaking of frenchmen Nov 15 22:24:45 MidnighToker: so? Nov 15 22:24:51 <_jz> TommyBres: I would easily get offended if I lived in a country with such a dire economic situation as yours.... ;) Nov 15 22:24:56 iof they change your tarrif then break your contract Nov 15 22:25:02 <_jz> haha I'll stop now, I'm not credible anymore Nov 15 22:25:03 hahahaha Nov 15 22:25:05 MrHorus: so i expect the worst of them both once they merge... Nov 15 22:25:11 you are demonstrably worse off Nov 15 22:25:14 quite alright, i'm amused :) Nov 15 22:25:16 so you have legal grounds to terminate Nov 15 22:25:25 and keep any subsidised handset :) Nov 15 22:25:30 MrHorus: fair point. i'll bear that in mind :) Nov 15 22:25:32 <_jz> TommyBres: well thanks again for the tip Nov 15 22:25:37 don't let them tell you otherwise Nov 15 22:25:39 and they will Nov 15 22:25:40 i'm in college through the recession, so i have no reason to be upset... we're doing alright and i'll graduate just in time for the upswing Nov 15 22:25:48 <_jz> thank you #android! :) Nov 15 22:25:48 no problem, take it easy _jz Nov 15 22:25:57 but you NEED to accept the change or they are in breach of contract and the agreement will terminate Nov 15 22:25:57 <_jz> TommyBres: you'll have to pay back the debt when you'll have a job ;) Nov 15 22:26:05 <_jz> TommyBres: or be brought up by your Chinese overlords :) Nov 15 22:26:10 <_jz> bought up Nov 15 22:26:11 <_jz> sorry Nov 15 22:26:25 hehe Nov 15 22:26:30 <_jz> (it's offtopic anyway, and i got to go :* Nov 15 22:26:35 he does have a point though :) Nov 15 22:27:00 lol debt? psh, no debt Nov 15 22:27:31 I think he means the country, not you personally Nov 15 22:28:02 hmmm, this all confuses me Nov 15 22:30:15 kroot: Let me finish the merge of eclair into master, and let's resolve those gcc issues there. Nov 15 22:42:42 jbq: don't take up your weekend on account of me. I'm just as fine waiting until next week or the week after :-) Nov 15 22:43:13 I'm working on it anyway. Today is a workday for the Android team. Nov 15 22:43:25 (the more I wait, the harder it'll get for me) Nov 15 22:44:09 I'm imagining Lucy on the chocolate assembly line Nov 15 22:45:44 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wp3m1vg06Q Nov 15 22:46:48 :) Nov 15 22:48:38 What happens on the play days, jbq ? Nov 15 22:48:52 I'm guessing it involves giant pastries and the lawn. Nov 15 22:48:57 When I don't work, I sleep :) Nov 15 22:57:11 enoch is a pretty awesome theme Nov 15 22:58:53 Macer: For what app? Nov 15 22:59:07 android Nov 15 22:59:15 heh. it's a cyanogen theme Nov 15 22:59:21 Ah ok Nov 15 22:59:43 pretty awesome looking theme too. i never was a big fan of the stock theme.. reminded me too much of osx :) Nov 15 22:59:50 Can't wait for root on droid Nov 15 23:00:03 ah. heh. nobody has figured it out yet huh? Nov 15 23:00:11 Apparently not Nov 15 23:00:13 kind of figured motorola would be root nazis Nov 15 23:00:21 Bastards Nov 15 23:00:27 ever try hacking one of their symbian phones? :) Nov 15 23:00:30 it's a total pain Nov 15 23:00:35 lol. no Nov 15 23:00:53 had a hell of a time with my krzr Nov 15 23:01:03 just to get some midp ssh client working on it Nov 15 23:11:25 holy shit Nov 15 23:11:27 i just realised Nov 15 23:11:33 if the hd2 had android on it, i'd buy it instantly Nov 15 23:11:41 android 2.0 that is Nov 15 23:11:45 hey, quick questin: Nov 15 23:11:48 with google voice Nov 15 23:11:53 does it work with sense ui? Nov 15 23:13:12 ha, huge channel.. ^^ Nov 15 23:14:00 Anyway, just to be a lamer, is anyone around that could help me figure out a problem I'm having? If so, just poke me. Nov 15 23:14:09 kk Nov 15 23:14:11 ill help u Nov 15 23:14:14 Dean_Kreger ? Nov 15 23:14:16 hey Nov 15 23:14:27 haha i was just kidding, i hate jews Nov 15 23:14:32 ^^; Nov 15 23:14:41 I'm sure the jews hate you too Nov 15 23:14:44 moving swiftly on... Nov 15 23:15:05 Well, anyway... problem: Everytime my preference activity tries to close a listpreference dialog, it crashes Nov 15 23:16:36 what Nov 15 23:16:37 the hell Nov 15 23:16:40 are you talkin bout Nov 15 23:16:46 the world Nov 15 23:19:43 hmm droid eris doesnt have gps Nov 15 23:21:07 Pref xml, http://pastebin.com/m2750ff47 pref activity, http://pastebin.com/m37d62cc4 Nov 15 23:21:10 Here's a run through of what happens (surprise): http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/746/11062875.png Nov 15 23:23:04 got it. :) wasn't using string arrays Nov 15 23:23:09 * Dean_Kre1er wanders off Nov 15 23:26:26 Anyone know what the gray button is on the lower left of the LG Eve? Nov 15 23:26:51 the keyboard, that is Nov 15 23:28:52 And if the directional pad is another touch sensitive affair like the Moment Nov 15 23:56:32 hi all Nov 15 23:56:52 can i install android 2.0 on my G1? Nov 15 23:57:17 Yes Nov 15 23:57:24 But it may brick it Nov 15 23:57:29 YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED Nov 15 23:58:54 why? Nov 15 23:59:00 also how can i export my contacts? Nov 15 23:59:22 quick q Nov 15 23:59:30 there used to be just the res dir Nov 15 23:59:37 and one would drop pngs in there Nov 15 23:59:42 now there is dpi dirs Nov 16 00:00:11 how does this work? do I need to create different dpi vers of my drawables, or does the code just select whichever one sxists Nov 16 00:00:13 gym_jane, everything you've just said says to me that you should be very very careful before deciding to do anything .... ;) Nov 16 00:00:30 i gotta plan Nov 16 00:00:32 lol kial Nov 16 00:00:36 you are right Nov 16 00:00:43 lets make a mobile platform Nov 16 00:00:48 its gonna be sweet Nov 16 00:00:49 does andoid 2.0 support flash? Nov 16 00:00:54 open source....but here's the twist.... Nov 16 00:00:55 i got so many questions Nov 16 00:01:04 we're gonna release a different version of it on each phone that comes out Nov 16 00:01:14 BOOM! whaddaya think!? Nov 16 00:01:21 gym_jane, it doesn't have flash, but htc will throw it in there no doubt Nov 16 00:01:31 does the droid have flash Nov 16 00:01:40 no Nov 16 00:01:41 i hate not having flash on this thing Nov 16 00:01:47 stops me from building apps Nov 16 00:01:52 kompulsive what different versions? Nov 16 00:02:05 flash rocks Nov 16 00:02:12 flash support is coming though, isnt it? Nov 16 00:02:14 thats an infinite numbers of different flash gaes out there Nov 16 00:02:17 kompulsive, lol ... so true ;) ... BUT if AOSP included everything required to build vanilla android for every android phone, I would be *very* happy Nov 16 00:02:19 supposebly Nov 16 00:02:20 jengoris; http://tinyurl.com/yjvm6aj Nov 16 00:02:24 robinb, from adobe, yes Nov 16 00:02:26 LISTEN TO THIS: Nov 16 00:02:29 wait, i wa gona say soemthin Nov 16 00:02:34 oh yeah Nov 16 00:02:39 what are 3d games like on android Nov 16 00:02:40 any good? Nov 16 00:02:45 the manufactures will always want an edge, something different - that usually means extra apps or UI candy ;) Nov 16 00:02:55 no because the hardware so far sucks Nov 16 00:03:02 :( Nov 16 00:03:06 the droid is the only capable device Nov 16 00:03:19 it'll improve as we get more phones like droid Nov 16 00:03:32 oh hey jengoris, i was just reading up on that! here, http://tinyurl.com/yghnmef Nov 16 00:03:34 Jengoris: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nZvm2rjWXE&feature=player_embedded Nov 16 00:04:04 kompulsive what the fuck? Nov 16 00:04:09 who teh hell types sentences into google Nov 16 00:04:10 moron Nov 16 00:04:14 KEYWORDS PEOPLE Nov 16 00:04:16 ITS KEYWORDS. Nov 16 00:04:28 lol Nov 16 00:04:31 ok calm down Nov 16 00:04:31 ... Nov 16 00:04:34 lol Nov 16 00:04:44 RobinB that game looks framerate issues Nov 16 00:04:46 same moron who is too lazy to google Nov 16 00:04:54 BOOM Nov 16 00:04:57 jengoris what game? Nov 16 00:05:00 ive googled over 25k times Nov 16 00:05:00 anyhow Nov 16 00:05:04 maybe your computer has issues with youtube? :) Nov 16 00:05:07 the link robin gave Nov 16 00:05:08 jengoris, i'm messin ;-p Nov 16 00:05:18 no Nov 16 00:05:21 the game looks choppy Nov 16 00:05:29 Jengoris ... actually - using simple keywords will give worse results, google takes a question and determines its context to give more relavant results ;) Nov 16 00:05:30 oh I'm not clicking Nov 16 00:05:34 i understand the interest in real-life accounts as opposed to just googling something for faceless information Nov 16 00:05:37 just give me a game title? Nov 16 00:06:33 kompulsive, ... try this ;) "How good are 3D games on Android devices?" google gives much better results Nov 16 00:07:06 i think the game is called speed forge 3d Nov 16 00:07:25 FACT: Nov 16 00:07:27 android is a lie Nov 16 00:07:28 oh, its not choppy at all Nov 16 00:07:41 how much would a 22" monitor cost at 261 dpi Nov 16 00:07:46 speed forge 3d is good except it doesn't turn enough Nov 16 00:07:56 i think IBM once made a 200dpi moitor Nov 16 00:07:57 ok ok android really isn't a humanoid robot Nov 16 00:07:59 so you keep hitting walls Nov 16 00:08:11 normal monitor is100dpi i think Nov 16 00:08:38 my monitor has 13,922dpi Nov 16 00:09:22 im not sold on the current wave of android devices available and i dont wanna let my BB go, but i am thinking about buying a samsung moment to tinker with and still use my BB as my main phone. Nov 16 00:09:33 o _ o Nov 16 00:09:42 kompulsive u not imprseed by the droid? Nov 16 00:09:50 as opposed to doing the wise/economical thing like waiting for better phones Nov 16 00:10:04 no way the current android devices are all WONDERFUL devices Nov 16 00:10:08 ... for 2006/2007 Nov 16 00:10:14 kompulsive, the droid has the same chipset as iphone 3gs, bigger screen with higher res and a full keyboard Nov 16 00:10:16 im wating for the sony x10 or the dragon/passion Nov 16 00:10:23 remind me what's NOT impressive? Nov 16 00:10:30 its NOT a blackberry Nov 16 00:10:30 well, not super impressed, but the real big factor is that i have a great plan with sprint that i really wont consider losing. Nov 16 00:10:31 thats WHAT Nov 16 00:10:50 lol jengoris Nov 16 00:10:56 so? it didnt didnt make the iphone good lol Nov 16 00:11:08 wat Nov 16 00:11:19 kompulsive you have the worst carrier in history, not android's fault Nov 16 00:11:33 ive had much worse carriers Nov 16 00:11:37 and iphone 3gs is a great piece of hardware, don't be a tool Nov 16 00:11:42 i once employd someone to be my carrier Nov 16 00:11:44 he sucked Nov 16 00:11:46 who, boost mobile? tracfone? Nov 16 00:12:01 iphone: great hardware but evil Nov 16 00:12:01 he ekpt dropping my calls Nov 16 00:12:12 iphone: great hardware and great software Nov 16 00:12:14 but evil Nov 16 00:12:28 tommyb; eh..... Nov 16 00:12:42 actually, what the symbian ceo said, apple is greedy, google is evil. Nov 16 00:12:43 tommyb; i simply stated my limitations, that's it. Nov 16 00:12:55 nobody cares about symbian Nov 16 00:13:15 then again, you have to relize that comes from a guy who in all reality is employed by Nokia, and they're losing marketshare to both Nov 16 00:13:27 and nokia switching to maemo Nov 16 00:13:37 regardless of the fact that i happen to be extremely happy with sprint and my plan thnku Nov 16 00:13:39 good for them Nov 16 00:13:40 samsung recently made bada Nov 16 00:13:52 its simple with m Nov 16 00:13:53 me* Nov 16 00:13:56 ment as the truth, I hope it does well. Nov 16 00:14:00 kompulsive, don't come here asking about good android phones then tell us AFTER WE SUGGEST A FEW that you're not leaving sprint Nov 16 00:14:05 you're wasting our fucking time Nov 16 00:14:12 moment is a good phone Nov 16 00:14:16 its with sprint Nov 16 00:14:28 the DROID Nov 16 00:14:30 I don't think an OS that only runs on one company's phone is really open Nov 16 00:14:31 is a GREAT phone Nov 16 00:14:32 im not a fan boy. make it the best, hit a decent price point, and you've got my business. Nov 16 00:14:34 ;-p Nov 16 00:14:41 i want the hd2 on android 2.0 Nov 16 00:14:43 will it happen Nov 16 00:14:48 have you see nthe hd2, its 11mm thin Nov 16 00:14:48 moment is okay, not great Nov 16 00:14:50 thats isnaenly thin Nov 16 00:14:52 tommyb; oh hell no.... Nov 16 00:15:08 4.3 inch screen Nov 16 00:15:10 thats huge Nov 16 00:15:10 jengoris, iphone is like 11.7mm? 11 isn't insanely thin Nov 16 00:15:15 LOL Nov 16 00:15:21 I just can't understand, we've been bs'ing here for a year or so, been using g1's etc.... Nov 16 00:15:21 it CRUSHES the iphone in thiness Nov 16 00:15:27 you'll notice that .7mm so bad Nov 16 00:15:32 .7mm? Nov 16 00:15:35 yes Nov 16 00:15:38 lol CRUSHES Nov 16 00:15:43 you'll notice it so bad! Nov 16 00:15:43 tommyb; calm down girlfriend. sprint DOES have andriod phones. this isn't your personal trolling area. Nov 16 00:15:44 rofl Nov 16 00:15:50 all of a sudden, vzw has the droid and eris, and they act like they just invented android and were first, and we don't know shit Nov 16 00:15:52 :D Nov 16 00:15:55 Nov 16 00:16:02 LMAOENADE Nov 16 00:16:18 now if you were on at7t that would be another story Nov 16 00:16:26 kompulsive they have 2, they're both so-so Nov 16 00:16:33 ari-free, I am Nov 16 00:16:38 Listen, just listen . can you heard that thud thud thud? Nov 16 00:16:39 I am, I just use an unlocked htc magic Nov 16 00:16:41 and typing from my adp1 :) Nov 16 00:16:42 its the march of the anrdroid army Nov 16 00:16:59 THEY GONA GET YOU Nov 16 00:17:04 android army in #android? how unexpected Nov 16 00:17:05 I suspect, you will see something coming from att early next year Nov 16 00:17:22 versed, not the droid if that's what you're thinking Nov 16 00:17:26 hero and then some other stuff, dell etc... Nov 16 00:17:35 yes Nov 16 00:17:38 dell yeah, that's confirmed Nov 16 00:17:44 and hero I hear Nov 16 00:17:48 as a teaser Nov 16 00:17:50 droid won't hit att, vzw exclusive Nov 16 00:17:54 wheres the x10 going Nov 16 00:17:56 meh, hero is played out Nov 16 00:17:56 no droid Nov 16 00:17:57 dell Nov 16 00:17:59 yeah tommyb that's what i've gathered. the moment seems to be a bit nicer from what i've seen/read, it has an OLED and a qwerty, so i'm about 100% sure it'll be my first android if i decide on this. Nov 16 00:18:03 I agree Nov 16 00:18:26 kompulsive if you get either get the moment for sure Nov 16 00:18:31 how about the eris? Nov 16 00:18:47 its the hero Nov 16 00:19:05 hero's still so so, like it was 2 minutes ago when I last typed it Nov 16 00:19:05 I think the bitch people have with the Moment isn't really the phone itself, is that its just a basic android phone with no custom interface like senseUI Nov 16 00:19:19 tommyb; roger that. Nov 16 00:19:24 Versed you got it all wrong Nov 16 00:19:32 I like the standard ui as long as I have root to change it Nov 16 00:19:34 people like android ui Nov 16 00:19:41 I like it too Nov 16 00:19:45 its just not an amazing phone Nov 16 00:19:46 moment doesn't have touchwiz? Nov 16 00:19:53 o_O Nov 16 00:19:57 its better then any hero Nov 16 00:20:01 i like the ui on the pulse Nov 16 00:20:05 i just really can't understand why they would release a non-3G phone Nov 16 00:20:08 what does? the behold II? Nov 16 00:20:10 i thought pulse was stock android? Nov 16 00:20:13 unless its a big joke Nov 16 00:20:17 some samsung phone has touchwiz Nov 16 00:20:19 it is stock android Nov 16 00:20:21 you lying basatrd!" Nov 16 00:20:32 lol Nov 16 00:20:34 Jengoris youtube it Nov 16 00:20:38 probably the same reason RIM never makes a phone with wifi AND a gps Nov 16 00:20:45 hk4l i already have Nov 16 00:20:47 lol Nov 16 00:20:47 because they suck Nov 16 00:20:53 storm 2 has wifi Nov 16 00:20:56 probably giant industry inside joke lulz Nov 16 00:20:58 lulzwars Nov 16 00:21:04 ...wouldnt doubt it Nov 16 00:21:06 wifi? Nov 16 00:21:08 wow Nov 16 00:21:08 anyways I'm out Nov 16 00:21:10 Jengoris they look at a different clip, or try a pulse rom Nov 16 00:21:11 later guys Nov 16 00:21:11 thats High End Phone Nov 16 00:21:21 hk4l wtf are u talkin bout Nov 16 00:21:27 peace out tommy Nov 16 00:21:33 Jengoris pulse ui Nov 16 00:21:39 yes Nov 16 00:21:41 its normal android Nov 16 00:22:04 no it has zoom in and out home screen Nov 16 00:22:14 with up and down 6 panels Nov 16 00:22:18 no Nov 16 00:22:20 it has 4 Nov 16 00:22:23 YES Nov 16 00:22:31 it has 4 Nov 16 00:22:34 3*2 = 4 Nov 16 00:22:44 :x Nov 16 00:24:11 anyways its better than stock imo Nov 16 00:25:39 in the UK, Nov 16 00:25:48 when we get a contract the phone is pretty much always free with it Nov 16 00:26:02 unless we get a really shitty one like £20 a month on a TOP end phone Nov 16 00:26:02 then it wont be Nov 16 00:31:26 RARARARARA Nov 16 00:31:36 How much Nov 16 00:31:39 is a droid Nov 16 00:31:45 assume i am a new customer Nov 16 00:31:49 200 Nov 16 00:32:31 i ean Nov 16 00:32:34 over 2 years in total Nov 16 00:32:39 and tell me what i get in minutes and texts plz Nov 16 00:32:43 thanks in adnvanteve Nov 16 00:32:45 *ddvance Nov 16 00:33:07 Jengoris you are from uk? Nov 16 00:33:14 yes Nov 16 00:33:25 over here you pay for phone in full Nov 16 00:33:50 unlim everything for verizon is like 120 a month i think Nov 16 00:37:35 vulc4n: You there? Nov 16 00:38:18 hk4l what you mean Nov 16 00:38:20 "over here" Nov 16 00:38:24 where is "here"? Nov 16 00:39:19 piroko: yeah, whats up? Nov 16 00:39:43 vulc4n: Renfield mentioned that you had a droid rebooting problem? Nov 16 00:40:39 HK Nov 16 00:40:41 hk4l Nov 16 00:42:58 hes eating Nov 16 00:43:34 AakashPatel: lol. You roommates? Nov 16 00:43:48 ha no Nov 16 00:43:49 [18:32:33] bbl gotta eat Nov 16 00:43:52 in a diff channel Nov 16 00:44:07 Ahh. Didn't know it was the same dude Nov 16 00:50:09 It's certainly solid enough and benefits from a gorgeous 3.7-inch capacitive touchscreen. But the old-school boxy edges and painfully flat QWERTY keyboard have had little thought put in to them. Nov 16 00:50:17 techradar is fuckign fail Nov 16 00:50:30 droid looks just fine Nov 16 00:50:34 one second of the thought abotu the design of the droid is a million times what everyone at techradar thought put together Nov 16 00:50:39 despite you guys ragging on it Nov 16 00:50:52 pfn, droid is awesome Nov 16 00:50:59 the hardware is uhmazing Nov 16 00:51:07 it looks good, the design is just fine Nov 16 00:51:16 it's not "cute" like the iphone maybe Nov 16 00:51:29 iphone isnt cute Nov 16 00:51:33 if you hold it, it feels soldit Nov 16 00:51:34 if it was cute it'd be plastic and pnk Nov 16 00:51:37 solid* Nov 16 00:51:49 Jengoris, it is plastic Nov 16 00:51:53 wrong Nov 16 00:51:54 and it's white or black Nov 16 00:51:58 its metal Nov 16 00:52:10 eh yeah it is Nov 16 00:52:11 M.E.T.A.L. Nov 16 00:52:13 the 3g is plastic Nov 16 00:52:21 the 1g iphone is metal Nov 16 00:52:22 we are in the future! Nov 16 00:52:25 3gs Nov 16 00:52:36 I haven't looked at the 3gs, but I also assume it is plastic Nov 16 00:52:55 if it is ill chuck it at an apple store Nov 16 00:52:59 and break the windows Nov 16 00:53:47 some1 here rang? Nov 16 00:54:01 haha AakashPatel Nov 16 00:54:41 pfn, long time no see. Nov 16 00:54:48 I thought that was you. Nov 16 00:55:08 gonna make some tea Nov 16 00:55:34 zomg you can buy the x10 sim free? :0 Nov 16 00:56:31 AakashPatel how much? Nov 16 00:56:40 x10 comes out on my bday Nov 16 00:56:54 uh hold on Nov 16 00:57:15 Hm doesnt say Nov 16 00:57:29 but it looks like a nice ass phone Nov 16 00:57:37 aw wait! Nov 16 00:57:39 no keyboard Nov 16 00:57:50 you didnt know that... Nov 16 00:57:53 * AakashPatel takes it off his list Nov 16 00:58:03 hk4l, i wansnt thinking about it lol Nov 16 00:58:10 lol Nov 16 00:59:10 * AakashPatel really hopes you can buy the GSM droid unlocked next year Nov 16 00:59:36 btw, I have a 3gs, and a magic, the 3gs is plastic but solid. Nov 16 00:59:56 I'm still chucking it Nov 16 00:59:58 Askash, I'd rather have a liquid or x10 Nov 16 01:00:11 Versed, ew no keyboards Nov 16 01:00:20 yeah my next statement Nov 16 01:00:23 lol Nov 16 01:00:33 makes life easier for me lol Nov 16 01:02:30 Versed, indeed Nov 16 01:03:15 I think I need to convince my wife to upgrade to the droid from the droid eris Nov 16 01:03:17 the eris is too slow Nov 16 01:03:35 if I had vzw, I'd do the moto droid Nov 16 01:03:39 no question Nov 16 01:03:58 the only way im getting a droid if its GSM unlocked Nov 16 01:04:08 milestone or whatever Nov 16 01:04:13 no 3g tho Nov 16 01:04:28 haitiankid4lyf, is the milestone a "google experience" phone? Nov 16 01:04:48 google experience? Nov 16 01:04:59 erm doesnt no one know what that means? haha Nov 16 01:06:38 * pfn assumes it's a google exp phone Nov 16 01:06:42 since it's not motoblur or anything Nov 16 01:07:16 yeah but i hear it doesnt have google nav stuffs Nov 16 01:07:44 pfn, the Droid was, but it has "features" of blur Nov 16 01:08:12 no, 2.0 does Nov 16 01:09:25 oh wut? Nov 16 01:09:30 i didn't know that :0 Nov 16 01:09:59 erm then there's a problem with 2.0 fitting on the dream if thats teh case Nov 16 01:11:03 spearce` : did they finally fix the cloning machine? (just just logged in from two locations at the same time). Nov 16 01:11:35 jbq: yes. i logged on via home wifi, then started vpn, and uh, yes, now two spearces. :-) Nov 16 01:12:10 ooo jbq do you know if the features that allow contacts to sync with facebook exclusive of the droid? Nov 16 01:12:24 AakashPatel: I have no idea, sorry. Nov 16 01:12:34 eh was worth a shot haha Nov 16 01:14:05 I wouldn't be surprised if shipping such a feature required some kind of deal with the carrier and/or the OEM (as a general statement), but I don't know anything about exclusivity, and I don't know anything specific about facebook. Nov 16 01:15:00 piroko: yes... its happened to me a few times now Nov 16 01:15:05 you too? Nov 16 01:15:21 I see. Nov 16 01:16:18 vulc4n: Twice, but within a five minute period after I downloaded a 244MB video file over wifi. It crashed as soon as the download finished, and then again after I went into a file manager to try to play it. Which lead me to believe (and hope) it was a software issue Nov 16 01:16:26 vulc4n: I haven't had any reboots before or since that incident Nov 16 01:18:24 piroko: when it haopepend to me it was totally random Nov 16 01:18:30 phone just turned off Nov 16 01:18:46 almost like it lost power but the battery is in there tight Nov 16 01:24:20 grr thay nead to make the droid a dev phone i have g1 atm grr Nov 16 01:25:44 jtz i fully agree Nov 16 01:27:43 and if i may say one thing i dont like with android is hom the dev tools work i make apps for iphone and apple mad the ui good Nov 16 01:27:49 * TravisB is confused. Nov 16 01:28:11 repo sync and repo forall -c git pull korg master are fighting eachother. Nov 16 01:28:11 :/ Nov 16 01:28:14 Hi all. Does anyone know if the Motorola Droid/Milestone has a hole for hooking a hand strap / lanyard? Nov 16 01:28:28 droid does now Nov 16 01:28:30 not* Nov 16 01:28:44 haha Nov 16 01:28:50 Droid does...NOT Nov 16 01:28:56 TravisB: yeah, those definitely don't do the same thing. I recommend repo sync, at least because that's the way I work so I'm familiar with it. Nov 16 01:29:49 :( ok thanks Nov 16 01:29:55 vulc4n: Did you get yours right when it came out? Nov 16 01:30:39 jbq, it seemed that git pull was moving it ahead, only reason I was attempting. But alright, I'll take your word for it ^.^ Nov 16 01:31:04 I just noticed that there was vendor/htc stuff, so I've been going crazy, hoping it'd give me something to fix this webkit/opencore problem. Nov 16 01:31:08 It could just be me experiencing it though. Nov 16 01:37:26 Hi guys Nov 16 01:37:37 I have a question: can Android works in a motorola Z6? Nov 16 02:01:52 i wan a thing Nov 16 02:01:54 i want Nov 16 02:01:59 i want adudal monitor mobile Nov 16 02:03:43 lolwut Nov 16 02:04:05 ll Nov 16 02:04:14 lol Nov 16 02:04:21 lolwut Nov 16 02:04:27 imagine am oible Nov 16 02:04:33 n it flipped out n had another screen Nov 16 02:04:36 woldnt that be amasizn Nov 16 02:04:38 raeati03tioq5y Nov 16 02:04:38 4tgs Nov 16 02:04:47 i can has? Nov 16 02:05:06 imagine : Nov 16 02:05:09 THIS Nov 16 02:05:20 imagine imagning Nov 16 02:05:34 Fact is, im gona make a mockup video Nov 16 02:05:34 imagine all the people Nov 16 02:05:38 living for today Nov 16 02:05:39 of my GUI that ill make Nov 16 02:05:43 aND BE FAMOUS FOR Nov 16 02:05:54 imagine there's no countries Nov 16 02:06:01 it isn't hard to do Nov 16 02:06:07 nothing to kill or die for Nov 16 02:06:10 and no religion too Nov 16 02:06:17 imagine all the peeeeople Nov 16 02:06:20 living life in peace Nov 16 02:08:27 http://www.hongfire.com/cg/data/7/1216092229208.jpg Nov 16 02:11:43 anyone using intellij idea with the sdk? Nov 16 02:12:25 http://i.imgur.com/JPSog.jpg Nov 16 02:16:49 unix_lappy, shouldn't be too difficult, but you won't get all the ADT goodness Nov 16 02:17:16 pfn: yea, thought as much. Nov 16 02:17:21 i'll just stick with eclipse for now. Nov 16 02:17:34 finally getting around to trying the community edition. Nov 16 02:24:27 Has anyone been able to mount the droid in Linux? Nov 16 02:24:42 I'm newer to Linux and have not been able to do so Nov 16 02:25:20 Nevermind.. Nov 16 02:25:30 Just plugging it back in had it show up Nov 16 02:26:45 * crazyspai feels stupid Nov 16 02:35:10 http://www.skytopia.com/project/fractal/new/full/q30/RudyBrotYZ.jpg Nov 16 02:35:15 look how pretty it is Nov 16 02:40:44 Jengoris, what is that Nov 16 02:41:09 so anyone else getting this annoying message? fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly error: Cannot fetch platform/bootable/diskinstaller Nov 16 02:41:52 vulc4n: So are you gonna take yours back or what? Nov 16 02:42:09 going to try to exchange it Nov 16 02:43:38 i dont seem to be able to repo sync Nov 16 02:49:11 hey guys i'm having trouble downloading the 2.0 source Nov 16 02:49:28 i'm getting this error: fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly Nov 16 02:51:31 me too Nov 16 02:51:39 who are you? Nov 16 02:52:00 i'm first in line here, buster :) Nov 16 02:52:10 actually, i was here a while ago Nov 16 02:52:15 lies Nov 16 02:52:34 everyone must be getting same problem Nov 16 02:53:06 Question: I want to use my phone's alarm but I also want the phone on silent... is there a way I can do both? I don't want people calling me in the middle of the night is the reason for having it on silent. Nov 16 02:53:50 <_Auron_> yes Nov 16 02:53:57 fwaokda: putting it on silent doesn't disable the alarm, by default... Nov 16 02:54:04 <_Auron_> the alarm settings can override silent Nov 16 02:56:14 huh... well It seems like the alarm triggers but it never wakes me up. I eventually get the phone later and see it on the screen but like I said I never wake up from any noise. Nov 16 02:56:34 there's a separate volume slider for the alarm Nov 16 02:56:43 does it quit making noise eventually and if so is there a way to handle that? Nov 16 02:56:58 zinx, I'm using the rocker on the side of the phone... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Nov 16 02:59:56 2009