**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 10 03:00:00 2007
Jan 10 06:20:06 <_law_> angstrom boots :-)
Jan 10 13:25:09 <Cockroach-> bah, Ok. Have to ask some help. :) So I've compiled angstrom-bootstrap-image and I'm trying to get the framebuffer to work. /proc/device does list '29 fb' so the code seems to be compiled into the kernel, but /proc/fb is empty and /dev/fb is missing.
Jan 10 13:25:49 <koen> for what machine?
Jan 10 13:25:56 <Cockroach-> Nokia770
Jan 10 13:26:08 * koen looks at RP 
Jan 10 13:26:29 <Cockroach-> you gave me those instructions yesterday, but I didn't found any parameters resembling those
Jan 10 13:26:43 <Cockroach-> I mean you said that "enable certain kernel options"
Jan 10 13:27:26 <Cockroach-> and I've quite much everything I believe could be required. Do I need to pass some parameter at boot time? video=xx or something
Jan 10 13:28:41 <Cockroach-> *quite much enabled everything
Jan 10 14:15:03 <Cockroach-> -> Home
Jan 10 14:21:41 <_law_> hmm sound doesnt work on my c760  :-(
Jan 10 14:21:57 <_law_> i get some asco errors in dmesg
Jan 10 14:28:50 <XorA> ASoC
Jan 10 14:28:55 <_law_> i have got linux-rp 2.6.18 r7
Jan 10 14:29:00 <XorA> try unmuting it :-)
Jan 10 14:29:17 <XorA> my c7x0 had linux-rp 2.6.18 on it and all works fine
Jan 10 14:31:48 <_law_> XorA, unmuting works :-)
Jan 10 14:31:56 <_law_> with alsamixer
Jan 10 14:35:36 <_law_> bbl
Jan 10 14:42:57 <lardman> Anyone here have an ARM board that has VFP hardware?
Jan 10 14:44:43 <XorA> lardman: mx31
Jan 10 14:46:54 <[g2]> lardman I've been eyeing the LPC3180
Jan 10 14:47:06 <lardman> XorA: Do you have a working toolchain for it?
Jan 10 14:47:17 <XorA> lardman: builds fine out of OE
Jan 10 14:47:20 * lardman is trying to see what the floating point implementation will produce
Jan 10 14:49:05 <lardman> XorA: when you have a spare few minutes, could you compile & run this test program and give me the output: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/machar.c
Jan 10 14:50:03 <lardman> XorA: With: gcc -DDP -DTEST machar.c
Jan 10 14:51:24 <XorA> lardman: I dont have board available running, lrg is about to devel on it
Jan 10 14:51:41 <lardman> Ah, okay, sorry
Jan 10 14:52:00 <XorA> lardman: but to play mpeg video that is over 100% load on mainstone and terrier, is only about 40% on mx31
Jan 10 14:52:13 <lardman> cool :)
Jan 10 14:52:15 <koen> lardman: ask someone who has a n800 :)
Jan 10 14:52:26 <XorA> koen: is that omap3?
Jan 10 14:52:36 <lardman> koen: I asked on #maemo whether anyone had command line access but no replies
Jan 10 14:54:12 <lardman> For those who're interested, my interest is in getting Octave to recognise the ARM littleendianness: https://www.cae.wisc.edu/pipermail/help-octave/2007-January/002649.html
Jan 10 14:56:28 <XorA> thats a bug in octave
Jan 10 14:57:23 <lardman> XorA: Yep, I think so
Jan 10 14:57:43 <XorA> there is no reason an application should actually care how floats are stored
Jan 10 14:59:26 <lardman> That's not true
Jan 10 14:59:43 <lardman> R, for example, uses some of the extra bits in a NaN to define a different kind of NaN, a NA
Jan 10 15:00:03 <lardman> But in general (and in Octave's case) I don't think in needs to know
Jan 10 15:00:35 <lardman> I'd just be interested to see whether physical VFP hardware produces the same output as softfloat VFP
Jan 10 15:01:36 <XorA> lardman: then R is broken by design
Jan 10 15:03:10 <lardman> XorA: Hmm. R needs to define a new type that is not available in IEEE754. In fact there's no harm in manipulating the unused bits in a NaN, so it's just more efficient that way
Jan 10 15:03:34 <XorA> lardman: no harm now, what about tomorrow :-)
Jan 10 15:03:40 <lardman> XorA: I note that the NA recognition is carried out before the data gets to the soft- or hard-float bits
Jan 10 15:03:58 <XorA> lardman: computing world is full of, oh look spare bits type fsckups
Jan 10 15:04:21 <lardman> XorA: Yep, but these truly are spare as they can have no effect
Jan 10 15:04:37 <lardman> (with the current standard ;) )
Jan 10 15:04:40 <lardman> of course
Jan 10 15:08:11 <XorA> just wait until nullity comes into the standard :-)
Jan 10 15:08:51 <lardman> :)
Jan 10 15:09:04 <XorA> ~lart nullity
Jan 10 15:10:08 <koen> lardman: omap 2420
Jan 10 15:12:20 <lardman> koen: Yeah, but I'd need to buy one then
Jan 10 15:13:07 <lardman> not that that would be so bad
Jan 10 15:13:15 <lardman> assuming it's a lot quicker
Jan 10 15:13:16 <XorA> buy me one while your at it :-)
Jan 10 15:13:49 <XorA> though nokia dont seem to sell them in uk
Jan 10 15:14:16 <lardman> they do
Jan 10 15:14:19 <lardman> via the website
Jan 10 15:14:28 <XorA> lardman: I tried yesterday :-(
Jan 10 15:14:56 <lardman> Oh, I looked yesterday and it seemed to work
Jan 10 15:15:13 * koen is still hoping for a dev discount
Jan 10 15:15:27 <XorA> found it
Jan 10 15:15:36 <XorA> stupid thing isnt in the search, but is on the site
Jan 10 15:15:42 <XorA> they need to update their indexs
Jan 10 15:15:57 <lardman> http://direct.nokia.com/countries.aspx?model=N800&add=true&cmp=BAC-N800EU_ProductPage
Jan 10 15:16:33 <ade|desk> only 270 quid , bargin
Jan 10 15:16:53 <lardman> hmm
Jan 10 15:17:05 <lardman> The Euros price comes out at ~£205 iirc
Jan 10 15:17:35 <ade|desk> 400 euros
Jan 10 15:17:58 <koen> 267.772 Pound 
Jan 10 15:18:28 <XorA> koen: why no koenbot here :-)
Jan 10 15:18:52 <ade|desk> +return trip to Euroland and address in [insert random EU place] 
Jan 10 15:19:25 <ade|desk> !change 400 eur to gbp
Jan 10 15:19:53 <ade|desk> doh no bot :(
Jan 10 15:20:10 <XorA> ade|desk: koen did the conversion on #oe
Jan 10 15:20:35 <lardman> oh, I thought it was cheaper
Jan 10 15:20:47 <XorA> only to the fins :-)
Jan 10 15:20:51 <lardman> I must have thought it was 300 Euros
Jan 10 15:21:49 * XorA wonders how well it plays divx
Jan 10 15:22:10 * lardman will hand on until some benchmarks come out
Jan 10 15:22:17 <lardman> hand!? hang even
Jan 10 15:22:34 <XorA> Im sure some will be at fosdem
Jan 10 15:37:09 <lardman> Interesting, the vfp hardware produces different results to vfp software
Jan 10 15:41:56 * XorA wonders how to sneak an n800 past the wife
Jan 10 15:42:23 <koen> it's black and cute
Jan 10 15:42:30 <koen> maybe add some fur or something ;)
Jan 10 15:56:42 <ade|desk> speeds up male washing up at dinner time 
Jan 10 18:23:41 <Laibsch> OK, this might be a better place to ask.
Jan 10 18:23:50 <Laibsch> Too late.
Jan 10 18:24:01 <Laibsch> Who are the "unofficial" collie maintainers?
Jan 10 18:24:07 <hrw> you?
Jan 10 18:24:29 <Laibsch> koen: I would like to get incontact with them and possibly become "unofficial" maintainer myself.
Jan 10 18:24:43 <Laibsch> hrw: Would be nice.
Jan 10 18:24:45 * hrw will not support collie
Jan 10 18:24:52 <Laibsch> But you all know my skill level.
Jan 10 18:25:19 <hrw> Laibsch: you know how to reflash, use, report bugs/fixes
Jan 10 18:25:20 <koen> Laibsch: basically you flash/install/etc an image and start reporting bugs
Jan 10 18:25:36 <hrw> Laibsch: many users stops before reflash and use
Jan 10 18:26:34 <Laibsch> Well, that means I am *more* than qualified ;-)
Jan 10 18:26:34 <Laibsch> /me shows off pride-swollen chest
Jan 10 18:26:45 <Laibsch> count me in
Jan 10 18:27:17 <Laibsch> I guess I do need to flash and cannot just use an altboot loop image?
Jan 10 18:27:17 <hrw> koen: angstrom need some wiki pages about mentors
Jan 10 18:27:24 <koen> yep
Jan 10 18:27:33 <hrw> Laibsch: loop image on CF?
Jan 10 18:27:41 <Laibsch> hrw: Why not?
Jan 10 18:27:50 <koen> let me quote my favourite polish developer: "it's a wiki, you can do it yourself" :)
Jan 10 18:28:07 <hrw> koen: you are angstrom maintainer
Jan 10 19:10:28 <Laibsch> What distribution should I build for angstrom-2007.1-oabi or angstrom-2007.1?  collie
Jan 10 19:10:39 <hrw> oabi
Jan 10 19:10:43 <Laibsch> OK
Jan 10 19:10:48 <hrw> want image?
Jan 10 19:11:05 <hrw> but iirc koen already provided some
Jan 10 19:11:29 <koen> only built one
Jan 10 19:11:38 <koen> didn't put it online
Jan 10 19:11:59 <hrw> just like me
Jan 10 19:22:04 <Laibsch> Sure, I can flash it.
Jan 10 19:22:31 <Laibsch> BTW, is this going to be a users channel or a dev channel?
Jan 10 19:22:47 <Laibsch> The topic says dev.
Jan 10 19:23:00 <hrw> there was no release yet
Jan 10 19:23:02 <hrw> so no users
Jan 10 19:23:05 <Laibsch> But then why not just use #oe?  Where are angstrom users meeting?
Jan 10 19:23:06 <koen> :D
Jan 10 19:23:22 <hrw> Laibsch: #oe is about OE
Jan 10 19:23:33 <hrw> #angstrom, #openzaurus #nslu2-linux are distro related
Jan 10 19:23:38 <Laibsch> So this will be a users channel after the release?
Jan 10 19:24:20 <koen> might be
Jan 10 19:24:43 <koen> I should developing a tolerance for people too lazy to read instructions
Jan 10 19:24:55 <hvontres|poodle> Laibsch: koen is probably not the best person to deal with the "unwashed massed" :)
Jan 10 19:25:28 <hvontres|poodle> s/massed/masses
Jan 10 19:26:02 <hvontres|poodle> ~emulate koen
Jan 10 19:27:40 <hrw> no ibot here
Jan 10 19:27:45 <hrw> koen: invite ibot...
Jan 10 19:37:19 <hvontres|poodle> ahhh, no fun :(
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