**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 11 02:59:58 2007
Jan 11 05:48:09 <Cockroach-> Morning
Jan 11 07:37:35 <_law_> hi is the angstrom homepage down?
Jan 11 09:05:01 <_law_> ximageon xserver supports hw dispaly rotation?
Jan 11 09:05:38 <_law_> is there something i habe do change or supports the zaurusd the this features already?
Jan 11 09:05:46 <_law_> s/habe/have
Jan 11 09:07:09 <koen> zaurus doesn't need to know
Jan 11 09:07:19 <koen> it's using plain xrandr
Jan 11 09:07:59 <_law_> koen, ok so it should work, if i have installed ximageon 
Jan 11 09:08:06 <koen> yes
Jan 11 09:09:13 <XorA> it does work
Jan 11 09:09:21 <XorA> it even rotates the Xv image
Jan 11 09:09:24 <_law_> koen, ok thanks, i?ll try to install ximageon now
Jan 11 09:09:28 <XorA> which freaked me out
Jan 11 09:09:35 <_law_> XorA, why?
Jan 11 09:09:50 <XorA> I forgot when I close my Z screen rotates
Jan 11 09:10:01 <XorA> and I forgot sirfred is an excellent coder
Jan 11 09:13:50 <XorA> gah who broke esound-gpe
Jan 11 09:14:12 <koen> florian did s/cvs/svn/
Jan 11 09:14:18 <koen> what went wrong?
Jan 11 09:14:26 <XorA> svn: Target path does not exist
Jan 11 09:19:09 * XorA suspects a subtle bug in the svn fetcher or that .bb file
Jan 11 09:19:23 <koen> heh
Jan 11 09:19:23 <koen> http://xkcd.com/c208.html
Jan 11 09:19:52 <XorA> :-D
Jan 11 09:20:25 * XorA wonders if apt will finish with a working system this time
Jan 11 09:36:20 <koen> XorA: mtn pull
Jan 11 09:54:58 <_law_> how can i test if xv works?
Jan 11 09:59:58 <koen> mplayer -vo xv blah.avi
Jan 11 10:00:57 <_law_> koen, ok thanks
Jan 11 10:19:03 <lardman> morning chaps
Jan 11 10:28:27 <koen> hey lardman 
Jan 11 10:31:34 <lardman> hi koen
Jan 11 10:31:45 <lardman> ~lart Windows for not moving focus with the mouse!
Jan 11 10:41:13 <XorA> koen: now do_configure fails :-)
Jan 11 10:41:33 <XorA> koen: needs to depend on audiofile
Jan 11 10:42:45 <XorA> ah, multithreaded bitbake fooling me
Jan 11 11:37:29 * XorA screams at the insanity in #oe
Jan 11 11:39:30 <Cockroach-> Still trying to slam the angstrom into the N770... after flashing the kernel and rootfs (.jffs2) into the device, I discovered that the default Nokia's initfs "overwrites" the /lib/modules which exists in the rootfs.
Jan 11 11:40:04 <Cockroach-> So, is there a initfs recepie I should build and flash too or what's the deal :)
Jan 11 11:44:20 <ade|desk> evening all
Jan 11 11:44:33 <XorA> hey ade|desk 
Jan 11 12:16:48 <koen> XorA: what are your views on making Ximageon the default?
Jan 11 12:17:21 <XorA> koen: I think sirfred has a couple of fixes, but its as stable as Xw100 for me
Jan 11 12:17:44 <koen> ok
Jan 11 12:17:45 <XorA> koen: and mplayer/Ximageon play nice together, so probably good to make it default
Jan 11 12:18:02 <koen> I didn't test it on w3220 yet, so let's make it the default for c7x0 to start with
Jan 11 12:18:03 * XorA is going to remove w100 drivers from mplayer soon
Jan 11 12:18:36 <koen> heh
Jan 11 12:18:47 <koen> "use X if you want fast playback"
Jan 11 12:19:01 * koen wonders how many opie apologists will choke on that
Jan 11 12:19:13 <hrw|work> fuck them
Jan 11 12:19:21 <hrw|work> they will got crap sdl version
Jan 11 12:19:32 <XorA> sharpaticore is bad quality and if sirfred isnt carrying libw100 forward then there is no reason to keep either
Jan 11 12:19:59 <XorA> and c7x0 is fast enough to play 320x240 on -vo fbdev
Jan 11 12:22:06 <XorA> koen: and opie people can add -vo opie :-)
Jan 11 12:25:45 <_law_> whats the best video player for my c7x0? mplayer oder gxine
Jan 11 12:26:21 <_law_> btw. kernel-module-bluetooth isnt installed default but userspace tools are....
Jan 11 12:27:16 <hrw|work> _law_: can you prepare list of needed BT modules then?
Jan 11 12:27:38 <_law_> hrw|work, ?
Jan 11 12:27:51 <hrw|work> 11 13:55 < _law_> btw. kernel-module-bluetooth isnt installed default but userspace tools are....
Jan 11 12:28:18 <lardman> _law_: mplayer was always my preference, shame it has no frontend
Jan 11 12:28:20 <hrw|work> if base system lack modules then tell us which exactly are needed and we will add those needed ones
Jan 11 12:30:18 <_law_> hrw|work, the kernel-module-bluetooth.ipkg is build via OE (angstrom) but not installed by default
Jan 11 12:30:37 <XorA> gxine doesnt work in Angstrom
Jan 11 12:30:51 <_law_> XorA, ok so i?ll use mplayer
Jan 11 12:32:25 <ade|desk> is there a matrix of machines that build and really work yet ?
Jan 11 12:37:41 <koen> ade|desk: hrw has a list of machines that build
Jan 11 12:38:03 <koen> I can only say that h2200 and hx4700 build and work
Jan 11 12:38:13 <XorA> c7x0 and C3x00 work
Jan 11 12:40:42 <koen> RFC: cp zaurus-image zimage.whatever-updater.sh.wants in EXTRA_IMAGECMD?
Jan 11 12:42:27 <XorA> koen: works for me if its Angstrom only
Jan 11 12:43:06 <koen> I'm getting a bit tired of all the manual stuff needed to get something installable
Jan 11 12:43:26 <koen> I added reflash.ctl generation for bootldr machines
Jan 11 12:43:45 <_law_> http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-whistle/index.html?ca=dgr-lnxw97whistlework :-)
Jan 11 12:53:19 <_law_> hrw|work, kernel-module-dtl1-cs now i know what you mean :-)
Jan 11 13:02:55 <hrw|work> ade|desk: all ARM machines build
Jan 11 13:03:20 <hrw|work> which has kernel configs and proper kernel selected
Jan 11 13:03:25 <hrw|work> ade|desk: look at OE ML archives
Jan 11 13:29:59 <ade|desk> hrw|work: thats great, but do they work ;)
Jan 11 13:31:51 <hrw|work> ade|desk: zaurus models: tosa/akita/c7x0/spitz, ipaq: h2200/hx4700 devboards: omap5912osk works for sure
Jan 11 13:32:07 <hrw|work> ade|desk: not worth using are: collie, h3600, h3800, h5000
Jan 11 13:32:15 <hrw|work> ah.. ipaq h4000 is working too
Jan 11 13:32:59 <ade|desk> so all segfaults etc have been fixed ?
Jan 11 13:34:15 <koen> allmost all were caused by the arm cache bug
Jan 11 13:35:12 <ade|desk> ah groovy .. will give akita a try then :)
Jan 11 13:35:41 <ade|desk> heh .. may be later ... ep9302 build is still running
Jan 11 13:36:26 <hrw|work> ep93xx builds
Jan 11 13:38:08 <ade|desk> might be good to have a similar thing to uclibc-ml daily builds for all archs and a report that they work as they should.
Jan 11 13:39:06 <ade|desk> automating reflashing of test hardware would be a challenge
Jan 11 13:40:57 <koen> ep93xx builds and runs
Jan 11 13:41:10 <koen> lennert used angstrom to bootstrap his debian build
Jan 11 13:41:20 <koen> which is how he discovered the perl -O2 bug
Jan 11 13:51:40 <koen> hrw|work: nice description of angstrom
Jan 11 13:58:34 <hrw|work> koen: ?
Jan 11 13:58:45 <hrw|work> ah.. oesf?
Jan 11 14:30:29 <ade|desk> groovy akita boots , no segfaults so far
Jan 11 14:46:15 * XorA wishes terrier had a w100
Jan 11 14:46:30 <ade|desk> indeed
Jan 11 14:47:07 <koen> XorA: you mean "I wish sirfred had a terrier as well"
Jan 11 14:48:44 <XorA> koen: terrier sucks for video, only got overlay, no accelleration
Jan 11 15:02:59 <ade|desk> koen: is www.a-d.org up ?
Jan 11 15:03:19 <XorA> in debian, how do you find files which are not from packages?
Jan 11 15:04:16 <koen> ade|desk: is should be
Jan 11 15:04:47 <ade|desk> hmm ok will try from another terminal
Jan 11 15:06:04 <ade|desk> ah hmm ok works from home, but not from work ... weird
Jan 11 15:08:09 * koen hugs autogenerated reflash.ctl files
Jan 11 15:32:18 <NAbyss> XorA: dpkg -S /path/to/file should show you what pkg a file's from
Jan 11 15:43:03 <ade|desk> doh angstrom-task-office fails
Jan 11 15:44:25 <ade|desk> koen: any chance of rdesktop going in ? 
Jan 11 15:46:15 <koen> feel free to add it
Jan 11 15:47:37 <XorA> NAbyss: thats easy, the inverse not so
Jan 11 15:48:25 <NAbyss> XorA: Yeah, you'd almost have to do a dpkg -S for all installed packges, and combine that with find /
Jan 11 15:51:43 <hrw|work> XorA: find / >file ; cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.filelist >file2; compare file file2
Jan 11 15:54:30 <XorA> hrw|work: sweet
Jan 11 15:57:03 <XorA> hrw|work: uniq file1 file2 :-)
Jan 11 16:01:55 <koen> sweet
Jan 11 16:02:08 <koen> no dbus bug in my freshly flashed image on the hx4700
Jan 11 16:02:26 * koen ipkg remove "*orinoco*" -force-depends
Jan 11 16:03:00 <XorA> poor womble
Jan 11 16:06:21 <ade|desk> koen : ok , how does one add to angstrom distro?
Jan 11 16:06:50 <koen> for OE or the feeds?
Jan 11 16:07:00 <ade|desk> feeds, the bb is on OE already
Jan 11 16:07:20 <ade|desk> and builds at least for arm and x86
Jan 11 16:07:22 <koen> send me a sshv2 key :)
Jan 11 16:07:43 <ade|desk> there is no auto feed from OE ?
Jan 11 16:07:53 <koen> no
Jan 11 16:08:01 <koen> only in our heads :(
Jan 11 16:08:56 <hrw|work> I think that for OZ 3.5.5 I will try to support 'feed on request' to not fill feeds with lot of crap
Jan 11 16:09:19 <XorA> hrw|work: sounds sensible
Jan 11 16:09:21 <goxboxlive> hrw|work: To have htc universal build for angstrom you could add 2.6.19-hh8 in to angstrom.conf.It where tagged today and has our lates drivers .
Jan 11 16:09:38 <koen> priceless: http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l214/Ymdar/Motivator/webmunchkin.jpg
Jan 11 16:10:08 <koen> goxboxlive: attach a patch to the bugtracker
Jan 11 16:10:56 <koen> ade|desk: it is fairly automated, though
Jan 11 16:13:47 <koen> ade|desk: rsync foo*.ipk angstrom@linuxtogo.org:~/website/unstable/feed/unsorted to queue it
Jan 11 16:15:02 <hrw|work> XorA: users can get crap from 3.5.4.1/3.5.4 ;)
Jan 11 16:15:29 <koen> XorA: gtk 2.10.7 seems to work pretty well
Jan 11 16:16:22 <ade|desk> koen: hehe.. i don't have the room to build for all archs as yet... give me a few weeks and i should have a spare Tb
Jan 11 16:16:25 * koen ipkg install xserver-kdrive-imageon
Jan 11 16:16:58 <koen> XorA: Ximageon should RREPLACE Xw100
Jan 11 16:17:14 <koen> +S
Jan 11 16:23:24 <XorA> koen: alsa there is a packaging error in Ximageon, it packages SecurityPolicy which is also packaged by xserver-kdrive
Jan 11 16:26:43 <XorA> koen: you should make it default then
Jan 11 16:26:50 <XorA> koen: gtk+ that is
Jan 11 16:35:41 <ade|desk> koen i'll build some ipks when i get this netapp filer serving some iscsi stuff for me :)
Jan 11 16:38:46 <koen> XorA|gone: Ximageon doesn't seem to work on my hx :(
Jan 11 16:38:49 <koen> Xw100 does
Jan 11 17:02:32 <Laibsch> qemu-native fails build.  Is that a known problem?  with a possible known fix?
Jan 11 17:03:06 <hrw|work> amd64?
Jan 11 17:03:18 <hrw|work> only gcc4 on host?
Jan 11 17:04:45 <Laibsch> no.
Jan 11 17:04:52 <Laibsch> Let me paste the console output
Jan 11 17:06:42 <Laibsch> http://rafb.net/p/v8s83e44.html
Jan 11 17:07:01 <Laibsch> It seems like there is some problem with gcc4
Jan 11 17:07:43 <hrw|work> I'm tired of saying it
Jan 11 17:07:58 <hrw|work> QEMU REQUIRE GCC 3.x
Jan 11 17:07:58 <Laibsch> Is gcc compiled first or is this the local one?
Jan 11 17:08:05 <hrw|work> READ QEMU RECIPES TO GET INFO ABOUT GCC3
Jan 11 17:08:08 <hrw|work> </shouting>
Jan 11 17:08:09 <Laibsch> hrw|work: Sorry to bother you.  but this is a plain OE compilation.
Jan 11 17:08:37 <hrw|work> one day I will be bored enough and will add gcc3-native
Jan 11 17:11:02 <Laibsch> hrw|work: Should qemu-qop-nogfx-native_svn.bb not be set to default_preference = "-1"?
Jan 11 17:11:11 <Laibsch> It was built why default for me.
Jan 11 17:11:52 <Laibsch> qemu_cvs.bb might work without problems.
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