**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 05 02:59:57 2007 Feb 05 05:41:36 Hi all.. can anyone suggest a decent audio (mainly mp3) player for GPE? Feb 05 07:16:22 morning Feb 05 08:14:37 koen: angstrom config, DEBUG_APPS. is there a way to only include the tslib stuff if machine_features includes screen? Feb 05 08:19:01 morning Feb 05 08:21:17 koen: conf/distro/include/angstrom.inc has DISTRO_FEATURES including things which are not useful on some devices that might want to run Angstrom (e.g. wifi, alsa, irda, pcmcia, usbgadget for an NSLU2). Should I just put in a DISTRO_FEATURES_nslu2le override, or is there a better way to do this? Feb 05 08:22:01 * rwhitby looks at removing SLUGOS_IMAGESEX completely from OE next ... Feb 05 08:23:03 ehm Feb 05 08:23:13 rwhitby: please have a look how task-base works Feb 05 08:23:50 ah - combined features takes care of that. ok, thanks. Feb 05 08:23:51 rwhitby: you're listing COMBINED_FEATURES Feb 05 08:24:23 although I agree one set of DISTRO_FEATURES can't cater all images/devices Feb 05 08:24:32 So if I set MACHINE_FEATURES correctly for the nslu2be machine it should all come out in the wash. Feb 05 08:24:42 I think we should override DISTRO_FEATURES in certain images Feb 05 08:24:48 rwhitby: yes Feb 05 08:28:08 hmm - wifi is a case in point where I would want to override DISTRO_FEATURES for nslu2le, simply cause the base machine doesn't have wifi capabilities unless you add a usb dongle, and there is not enough space in the 8MB flash to fit the wifi packages. Feb 05 08:28:25 same for ppp Feb 05 08:28:57 nslu2 doesn't have 'wifi' in MACHINE_FEATURES, right? Feb 05 08:29:13 no, but task-base says wifi is a distro features thing. Feb 05 08:29:48 ah, so it is Feb 05 08:30:01 * koen wonders why that isn't a combined feature Feb 05 08:30:29 * rwhitby agrees Feb 05 08:31:34 I guess you can add a DISTRO_FEATURES_nslu2le = "" till we come up with a proper solution Feb 05 08:32:36 if machine has usb or pci or pcmcia and distro has wifi/bt then task-base should get it Feb 05 08:32:51 sort of this Feb 05 08:32:59 yeah Feb 05 08:33:23 yeah, for an nas100d for instance, there is enough room in the flash for wifi stuff (and it has wifi on pci) Feb 05 08:33:35 so it really is a small-flash-size thing. Feb 05 08:34:24 we need machine feature 'smallrootfs' Feb 05 08:35:57 if I know that nslu2le doesn't have something in machine_features (e.g. irda, pcmcia, usbgadget), would I still leave them in DISTRO_FEATURES_nslu2le in angstrom.inc, or would I leave them out. Feb 05 08:36:00 ? Feb 05 08:36:20 I have no strong opinion on that Feb 05 08:36:50 I'll leave them out then, so as not to confuse other people like me who haven't read task-base closely enough. Feb 05 08:37:00 :) Feb 05 08:37:41 * rwhitby rebuilds mokoslug to see if it's under 8MB now Feb 05 09:32:27 hmm - a conundrum. since nslu2 has usbhost, it could support machine_features of alsa, bluetooth, etc. Since it only has 8MB, I need to choose a subset of those for a certain distro (i.e. mokoslug wants bluetooth, but alsa is not that important to be in the flash rootfs). Do I just add to a basic MACHINE_FEATURES in the distro.conf ? (i.e. MACHINE_FEATURES_append_nslu2le = " bluetooth") Feb 05 11:56:49 * XorA got bored and wrote a script to update feeds based on filename and not rsync Feb 05 11:58:18 cool Feb 05 11:58:36 can I bore you enough to make a Xpxa270? Feb 05 11:58:49 * koen hides Feb 05 11:59:07 koen: what for? yuv surfaces? Feb 05 11:59:22 pH5: yes, for the XV driver Feb 05 12:00:57 koen: I am having zero hacking time at home Feb 05 12:01:23 WTF? Feb 05 12:01:24 zero Feb 05 14:34:30 * XorA screams at GIT Feb 05 14:43:41 * hrw did it already Feb 05 20:51:03 koen: I think I need to free up some RAM when trying hal+nm Feb 05 20:51:21 hrm Feb 05 20:51:26 koen: gonna have to audit what is running and see what I can split out so it doesnt get run Feb 05 20:51:38 it's rumoured that hal_git uses less memory Feb 05 20:51:48 koen: nm itself doesnt fail, but ipkg starts to have forking problems Feb 05 20:51:57 right Feb 05 20:51:59 although I wonder if that is having bash on the machine Feb 05 20:52:02 try rm'ing /var/lib/ipkg Feb 05 20:52:20 should free up 4MB of ram Feb 05 20:52:27 :-) Feb 05 20:52:54 part of the GPE doesn't run in 32MB ram FUD Feb 05 20:52:54 should really change /var to be on disk Feb 05 20:53:40 * koen really should get pulse + hal + avahi working out of the box Feb 05 20:53:41 Im sitting on console at moment, 6M RAM used Feb 05 21:00:57 cute Feb 05 21:01:15 wanna sell that 58MB you aren't using? Feb 05 21:03:43 nah, X will eat it Feb 05 23:07:31 Good evening all Feb 05 23:07:56 If I have an akita, should I be using OZ or Angstrom right now? Feb 05 23:08:44 Zero_Chaos: Depends if you want to use OPIE or GPE Feb 05 23:09:03 Zero_Chaos: OZ's got OPIE and GPE, but Angstrom's more up to date and only supports GPE Feb 05 23:09:57 NAbyss: last I saw GPE wasn't ready for prime time... is this still the case or has maturity set in? Feb 05 23:10:39 Zero_Chaos: I'd definitely side with you on that one.. I'm mainly running GPE for gpsdrive/abiword/gnumeric. OPIE's a lot more mature, even if development has pretty much ceased. Feb 05 23:12:02 NAbyss: Honestly I'd prefer some kind of X based system (as I hear GPE is), but last I saw it was VASTLY imcomplete. I'm sure it is better now but... Feb 05 23:12:22 NAbyss: mind you, not sure why I care, I use the command line almost exclusively :-) Feb 05 23:13:19 Yeah, GPE is pretty barren, the default install at least. Feb 05 23:15:59 NAbyss: so Angstrom is more up to date than OZ? Feb 05 23:16:19 Zero_Chaos: Yep Feb 05 23:16:48 NAbyss: and Angstrom is to be the continuation of OZ right? not a fork? Feb 05 23:16:59 NAbyss: as in OZ's developers are leaving for Angstrom? Feb 05 23:17:30 Zero_Chaos: Pretty much; there's still a few devs around AFAIK that want to continue with OZ, but most are moving to Angstrom Feb 05 23:19:26 NAbyss: fair enough, if it builds I'll join you all ;-) Feb 05 23:19:39 Zero_Chaos: Good luck ;) Feb 05 23:20:00 Zero_Chaos: I'm fiddling with my borzoi at the moment, trying to find a decent audio player for gpe Feb 05 23:20:32 NAbyss: any good video players you know of? opiemediaplayer-- Feb 05 23:20:53 NAbyss: I want to use my akita like a video ipod on the plane but the suck is sever Feb 05 23:20:56 e Feb 05 23:21:18 Zero_Chaos: For opie? opie-mediaplayer is okay.. but you'll need to rotate the screen to portrait orientation before the video overlay will line up Feb 05 23:21:29 still sucks Feb 05 23:21:51 Yeah Feb 05 23:22:06 NAbyss: anything decent for gpe to build? Feb 05 23:22:18 Half of the problem is that the preexisting media libraries cause a metric shitload of alignment traps on arm = slow, slow, slow context switches Feb 05 23:22:29 Zero_Chaos: I'm still looking into that, not having much luck Feb 05 23:22:58 NAbyss: well I'd use fbxine if it works ;-) Feb 05 23:25:52 Zero_Chaos: It doesn't work? Feb 05 23:26:11 NAbyss: don't know, must build me an image and find out :-) Feb 05 23:31:30 do I build from .dev? or another branch? Feb 05 23:31:35 Yeah, .dev for angstrom Feb 05 23:32:22 okay, and which distro do I set? highest version number? -unstable? Feb 05 23:32:31 what works right now? Feb 05 23:35:21 angstrom-2007.1 Feb 05 23:35:42 NAbyss: is that official released stable, or testing, or what? Feb 05 23:42:43 and which image to build? gpe-image fine? Feb 06 00:03:17 Zero_Chaos: angstrom-gpe-image is the target, and there's been no official stable release of angstrom as yet Feb 06 00:10:53 NAbyss: do you know what is different with "angstrom-gpe-image" instead of "gpe-image"? Feb 06 00:20:20 Zero_Chaos: No I don't, sorry Feb 06 00:20:42 I'm sure one of the devs will pop their head in soonish though, might be worth asking one of the others Feb 06 00:20:48 For me, it's off to work Feb 06 00:21:10 NA|Work: thanks **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 06 02:59:57 2007