**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 09 03:00:00 2007
Feb 09 11:00:44 <XorA> one of my friends is now an Angstrom user (he doesnt do development) so I can get direct non developer feedback
Feb 09 11:04:33 <hrw> great
Feb 09 11:05:11 <XorA> reminds me, must fix the spitz flashing instructions on OZ site so they are something near correct
Feb 09 13:37:10 * XorA feels demotivated
Feb 09 14:53:30 <hrw> Feb  9 16:13:02 progear daemon.info gpe-dm: gpe-dm: session pid 1845 exited with status 1
Feb 09 14:53:34 <hrw> someone familiar with it?
Feb 09 14:58:39 <slapin_nb> hi, all!
Feb 09 14:58:55 <slapin_nb> why do gpe-dm restarts when I select Russian language?
Feb 09 15:05:58 <slapin_nb> psokolovsky, hi
Feb 09 15:06:06 <psokolovsky> hi!
Feb 09 15:06:18 <slapin_nb> psokolovsky, did you setup cyrillics in GPE on Angstrom?
Feb 09 15:06:25 <psokolovsky> nope
Feb 09 15:06:30 <slapin_nb> bad :(
Feb 09 15:06:42 * slapin_nb wants to use FBReader and others
Feb 09 15:06:56 <psokolovsky> so, what doesn't work?
Feb 09 15:07:19 <psokolovsky> in my long todo is to collect kbd layouts for xkb
Feb 09 15:07:37 <psokolovsky> I assume fonts just work OOB
Feb 09 15:07:47 <slapin_nb> Fonts, and gpm-de restarts when you select Russian
Feb 09 15:09:13 <psokolovsky> slapin_nb, but Russian is likely for locale and other boring stuff
Feb 09 15:09:36 <slapin_nb> yeah, and all locales are in place :(
Feb 09 15:10:05 <slapin_nb> I don't care for LC_MESSAGES now
Feb 09 15:10:31 <slapin_nb> I need input and fonts
Feb 09 15:11:27 <psokolovsky> slapin_nb, to get fonts, install dejavu fonts. input can be kinda achieved by matchbox-keyboard
Feb 09 15:11:27 <slapin_nb> so to be able to type cyrillics and view files
Feb 09 15:11:42 <psokolovsky> all that doesn't require locale
Feb 09 15:12:04 <slapin_nb> well, but why doesn't locale works?
Feb 09 15:12:08 * slapin_nb shocked
Feb 09 15:12:26 <psokolovsky> slapin_nb, http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GPEInternationalisation
Feb 09 15:12:38 <psokolovsky> slapin_nb, because locales suck ;-)
Feb 09 15:12:51 <psokolovsky> seriously, feel free to submit detailed bug for that
Feb 09 15:16:38 <slapin_nb> I think Angstrom should include these fonts by default, it is shame to not do that...
Feb 09 15:17:29 <psokolovsky> slapin_nb, yup, I may agree, go convince western people ;-D
Feb 09 15:17:47 <koen> should it include cjkv and thai fonts as well?
Feb 09 15:18:01 <koen> and arabic fonts + locales?
Feb 09 15:18:19 <koen> a few meg of stuff useless to 95% of the users
Feb 09 15:18:30 <slapin_nb> I think that should be generic unicode ttfs...
Feb 09 15:18:41 <koen> angstrom does ship deja-vu
Feb 09 15:18:44 <slapin_nb> I think this 95% is some magic number...
Feb 09 15:18:59 <koen> which has a pretty complete glyph coverage
Feb 09 15:19:02 <psokolovsky> koen, nope, jsut no overly big charsets for immediate target audience. that includes cyrillic and hebrew imho.
Feb 09 15:19:25 <psokolovsky> koen, yep, talk is about dejavu
Feb 09 15:19:30 <hrw> koen: do you know why gpe-dm restarts?
Feb 09 15:19:50 <koen> hrw: my crystal ball is in repairs
Feb 09 15:20:01 <hrw> koen: ;)
Feb 09 15:20:05 <koen> psokolovsky: deja-vu is already in by default
Feb 09 15:20:06 <hrw> 09 16:28 < hrw> Feb  9 16:13:02 progear daemon.info gpe-dm: gpe-dm: session pid 1845 exited with status 1
Feb 09 15:20:15 <hrw> thats all what this crap say
Feb 09 15:20:32 <koen> hrw: nothing in .xsession-errors?
Feb 09 15:20:44 <hrw> koen: no such file
Feb 09 15:21:27 <koen> ehm
Feb 09 15:21:40 <psokolovsky> koen, hm, yeah, indeed. That's cool! but at the same time, there's still vera. I'm afraid, vera overrides dejavu
Feb 09 15:21:43 <koen>  /var/log/X<something>.log?
Feb 09 15:21:46 <psokolovsky> but that needs checking
Feb 09 15:22:19 <koen> koen@h2200:~$ ipkg list | grep ttf
Feb 09 15:22:19 <koen> ttf-dejavu-sans - 2.12-r0 - 
Feb 09 15:22:19 <koen> ttf-dejavu-sans-mono - 2.12-r0 - 
Feb 09 15:22:20 <koen> koen@h2200:~$ 
Feb 09 15:22:22 <koen> no vera here
Feb 09 15:23:30 <koen> I can't help people that manually install vera and are suprised some glyphs aren't mapped anymore
Feb 09 15:25:19 <psokolovsky> weird. I have it installed in gpe-image. wonder, what pulls it up
Feb 09 15:25:32 <koen> yeah, gpe-image is still in the dark-ages
Feb 09 15:25:48 <koen> angstrom-gpe-image is entering the renaissance
Feb 09 15:26:39 <psokolovsky> but task-gpe pulls it
Feb 09 15:27:26 <psokolovsky> weird
Feb 09 15:27:37 <koen> task-gpe?
Feb 09 15:27:40 <koen> angstrom doesn't use that
Feb 09 15:28:08 <psokolovsky> why the hell I was building gpe-image all the time?
Feb 09 15:28:18 <psokolovsky> lol
Feb 09 15:29:01 <koen> there are some subtle differences between the two
Feb 09 15:29:18 <koen> one of them being more glyphs
Feb 09 15:29:25 <koen> the other being more task-base based
Feb 09 15:29:33 <hrw> cu
Feb 09 15:29:36 <koen> koen@h2200:~$ uptime
Feb 09 15:29:36 <koen>  15:55:23 up 87 days,  1:01,  3 users,  load average: 1.09, 1.05, 1.01
Feb 09 15:30:57 <ade|desk> koen: are you planning an x image akin to poky, gtk stuff but not gpe
Feb 09 15:31:07 <koen> yes
Feb 09 15:31:13 <koen> angstrom-gpe-image should be like that
Feb 09 15:31:33 <koen> but angstrom needs some setup up tools, and only gpe-dm and gpe-conf are small enough
Feb 09 15:31:52 <koen> I dislike the "I am root" approach poky takes
Feb 09 15:32:22 <ade|desk> angstrom is too all encompassing for i am root
Feb 09 15:32:40 <ade|desk> however on a pda, who cares if you are root or  not
Feb 09 15:33:41 <koen> that's a slippery slope
Feb 09 15:34:41 * Zero_Chaos agrees
Feb 09 15:34:49 <Zero_Chaos> security good, i am root bad
Feb 09 15:35:41 <koen> ade|desk: the biggest problem with shipping a slimmed down X images is that most of those zaurus whiners can't grasp package management
Feb 09 15:36:23 <koen> "<foo>ROM is better because it has gaim" "install gaim" "OMG!!! you suck!! you don't have gaim" "we have gaim, just install it" "OMG!! you suck, you don't have gaim"
Feb 09 15:38:31 * ade|desk slaps Z users, they aren't the only machine on the market
Feb 09 15:39:05 <koen> thety are the single most annoying target audience
Feb 09 15:39:08 <koen> they*
Feb 09 15:39:42 * ade|desk wonders if there is a project to get windows pocketpc on a Z .....
Feb 09 15:39:48 <koen> there is
Feb 09 15:39:52 <ade|desk> lol
Feb 09 15:39:58 <ade|desk> point the users there
Feb 09 15:40:25 <ade|desk> install this "its teh best" 
Feb 09 16:02:54 <mr_nice> hi all
Feb 09 16:21:24 <mr_nice> i now have completed the switches driver for simpad 2.6 - how to find a person that will test it. or better to look over the code.
Feb 09 16:29:03 <goxboxlive> koen: Will there be a angstrom-gpephone image?
Feb 09 17:46:49 <koen> goxboxlive: I hope so
Feb 09 17:47:13 <koen> goxboxlive: I don't have hardware to test on and the gpephone people insist on using 3 year old packages
Feb 09 17:55:04 <goxboxlive> i c
Feb 09 17:56:21 <hvontres|poodle> koen: hey, some of us "Z whiners" do grok ipkg  
Feb 09 17:57:10 <koen> you do?
Feb 09 17:57:14 <koen> that's great news!
Feb 09 17:57:25 <hvontres|poodle> koen :P
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