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Feb 18 11:26:11 <_law_> koen: koen have you already tried openmoko-dialer? how does it work?
Feb 18 11:26:37 <goxboxlive> any germans here ? I need help translating something
Feb 18 11:33:09 <_law_> goxboxlive: here
Feb 18 11:35:15 <goxboxlive> _law_ is there something i should be aware of here? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Motorola-A780-GPS-Navigations-Handy-2-Akkus-A-780_W0QQitemZ150093063352QQihZ005QQcategoryZ70765QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Feb 18 11:35:26 <goxboxlive> Or does it sound good
Feb 18 11:38:13 <goxboxlive> _law_ Forget it, it got to expensive. I have another new one in hand. Thanks anyway.
Feb 18 15:26:32 <psokolovsky_> koen, some time ago there was talk about i18n fonts in Angstrom. Well, now I want to raise opposite issue - default shipped locales. Is there ggod reasons to ship few selected locales?
Feb 18 15:48:21 <koen> psokolovsky_: only historical reasons
Feb 18 15:49:28 <koen> psokolovsky_: I think we can ship es, pt, ru and zn as well
Feb 18 15:49:42 <psokolovsky_> koen, Hi! so, it's not the case that en-gb, de, fr are kind of "pan-european locales"? if so, maybe we can think of shipping only en by default, and let users of specific lang/countery to install one easily?
Feb 18 15:49:52 <psokolovsky_> koen, oops ;-)
Feb 18 15:50:20 <psokolovsky_> koen, locales take pretty much space (~1mb uncompressed)
Feb 18 15:50:35 <koen> sadly, you can't install extra locales easily
Feb 18 15:50:44 <koen> I suspect we need some more metapackages
Feb 18 15:51:07 <psokolovsky_> koen, I curerntly work on h3600 problem of 18mb jffs2 size, so wonder if apply en only for it, or we can go for that in general
Feb 18 15:51:37 <koen> sure
Feb 18 15:51:40 <psokolovsky_> koen, yes, that might be nice idea, like "all fr" metapackage with installs as much as possible for fr ;-)
Feb 18 15:52:13 <koen> BTW, try setting DISTRO_TYPE to 'release' instead of 'debug'
Feb 18 15:52:31 <psokolovsky_> koen, so, what would you suggets - set IMAGE_LINGUAS = "en-gb" for h3600 only or for angstrom.conf?
Feb 18 15:52:40 <psokolovsky_> koen, oh, nice idea, indeed ;-)
Feb 18 15:53:06 <koen> strace and gdb are pretty big
Feb 18 15:53:35 <koen> psokolovsky_: set it globally with a note about future metapackages
Feb 18 15:54:12 <psokolovsky_> koen, ok, thanks
Feb 18 15:54:48 <koen> angstrom is working pretty nicely now, so we can get started with optimizing it
Feb 18 15:54:49 <psokolovsky_> koen, and we need @base_less() and start to check for ROOT_FLASH_SIZE, etc.
Feb 18 15:55:04 <psokolovsky_> koen, yes, that's what I think too ;-)
Feb 18 15:55:30 <koen> root flash size is a bit of a red herring though
Feb 18 15:56:10 <koen> I want to be able to build a big fat 200MB image for an h3600 that I can install on CF without OE telling me it's too big and stopping dead
Feb 18 15:58:32 <psokolovsky_> koen, yes ;-I. we likely need targets to build flash installs vs general installs (and such generals install could be as much machine-indepenet as possible - include all distro features to start with)
Feb 18 15:58:43 <psokolovsky_> much stuff to do yet...
Feb 18 15:59:22 * koen suggests adding IMAGE_FEATURES
Feb 18 16:10:21 <pH5> do we really need new metapackages? I thought just installing a new locale-base automatically pulls all locales for installed packages of that language?
Feb 18 16:10:23 * pH5 tries
Feb 18 16:13:15 <koen> pH5: including correct charmap and gconv files?
Feb 18 16:20:54 <psokolovsky_> pH5, I think about some installer or after-install wizard which would allow users to pull all possible stuff for specific language. I'd personally hate to use it, but users will chirp satisfied ;-)
Feb 18 16:21:20 <psokolovsky_> easiest way to implement that is an easy gui hack on top of ipkg to pull some metapackage
Feb 18 16:21:27 <psokolovsky_> just my 2 cents
Feb 18 16:22:09 <pH5> koen: hm no. in fact it didn't work at all. installing locale-base-ja-jp only pulled the glibc locale data package. shouldn't the *-locale-ja packages be installed automatically? I'm pretty sure this worked some time ago.
Feb 18 16:22:29 <koen> I have no idea
Feb 18 16:22:58 <koen> I run FOSS software in english since the dutch translations annoy me too much
Feb 18 16:23:35 <pH5> koen: so do I. last time I tested this is probably a year ago :)
Feb 18 16:27:25 <pH5> psokolovsky_: I'm sure some users would love a gui for this.
Feb 18 16:30:06 <psokolovsky_> yep
Feb 18 21:51:40 <quants> is it just me, or has irc degenerated into 40yr old virgins complaing all the time?
Feb 18 21:52:31 <quants> "omg the chan has been dead silent for weeks straight, but some just posted an error code" "omg ban him!"
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