**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 05 02:59:56 2007 Apr 05 07:52:29 koen are you around? Apr 05 07:52:53 yes Apr 05 07:53:55 koen: why do you refuse to add this for me in OE : http://pastebin.ca/425092 Apr 05 07:54:13 i just want to get rid of local changes from the repo. Apr 05 07:54:36 because it's not needed? Apr 05 07:54:42 it is Apr 05 07:54:50 why? Apr 05 07:55:00 because it suports multiple shells on universal Apr 05 07:55:21 so it isn't needed Apr 05 07:55:24 like i vcan have 4 parallell consoles at the same time Apr 05 07:55:28 geeky developers like it Apr 05 07:55:35 that's something completely different Apr 05 07:55:54 like X on one of them, and just the shell on the others, it helsp alot during developing Apr 05 07:56:03 heh - "geeky developers like it" is the reason why most things are in OE, isn't it? Apr 05 07:56:34 But this is also supported in regular PC distros like debian on my laptop. Apr 05 07:57:19 So you are still sayingif i place it as a bug you wouldnt commit it ? Apr 05 07:57:35 s/sayingif/saying if/ Apr 05 07:58:12 right Apr 05 07:58:36 people that 'need' shells are advanced enough to edit inittab themselves, right? Apr 05 07:58:54 yes i agree, but this wouldnt affect a normal user Apr 05 07:59:27 This is supported in every linux distro around, no mathe what distro we are talking about Apr 05 08:00:53 you still haven't said why it is *needed*, only why it is *wanted* Apr 05 08:01:47 it's not needed, just missing for people who dont know how to add it. Apr 05 08:02:30 multiple shells are just a nice add on Apr 05 08:03:16 Like in example, i start gsmd form the shell, and watching dmesg in another, running other commands inthe third. Apr 05 08:03:31 ipkg install screen? Apr 05 08:03:59 I agree it is usefull, but I disagree your previous assertion of it being *needed* Apr 05 08:04:40 I use it all the time. And it is supported in X, (xterminal) so why not in console-image Apr 05 08:05:59 I place it as a bug as a usefull tool for console-image Apr 05 08:09:15 goxboxlive: it's isn't a part of console-image Apr 05 08:09:52 When you have a hardware keyboard it should. Apr 05 08:10:08 * XorA wonders how many britney beaver pics he gets in SPAM today Apr 05 08:10:38 Too many.. Apr 05 08:10:43 One is more than enough Apr 05 08:10:44 and i dont see the problem, it wouldnt affect any other devices, only uni (wich will be very helpfull for us). Apr 05 08:10:56 ipkg install screen Apr 05 08:11:26 goxboxlive: koen is being intentionally unhelpful - just get one of the other core OE devs to do it for you ... Apr 05 08:12:19 rwhitby: I'm trying to cut down on machine-specific subpackages in OE Apr 05 08:12:35 it the only use case is "multiple shells" you can use screen Apr 05 08:12:44 bug 2066 is getting some interest :-) Apr 05 08:13:11 rwhitby: I am a ware of that, but sometimes he sparkles and might be very helpfull. But this add on has been commited before but he removed it again and called it "removed HTC Universal crap" or something :-). Apr 05 08:14:06 goxboxlive: ah, he's on a mission then. good luck getting him to change his mind ... Apr 05 08:15:10 :-) Apr 05 09:06:19 XorA: bug in ppp line discipline ? Apr 05 09:07:23 goxboxlive: if you want to upload htcuniversal images to http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/ , just send me a ssh2/dsa key Apr 05 09:09:03 koen: 2066 is pxa serial totally breaks 8250 serial Apr 05 09:09:14 XorA: I know Apr 05 09:09:18 koen: my GPRS bug might be what you say though Apr 05 09:09:20 XorA: RMK is going to fix that in 2.5.x Apr 05 09:10:13 XorA: I think we should consider moving pxa serial ports to their own namespace Apr 05 09:10:36 koen: have that discussion with RP :-) Apr 05 09:11:14 I would wreak havoc on non OE users Apr 05 09:11:22 in OE we just change 3 or 4 files Apr 05 09:11:23 koen: it needs someone to a) spend the time and b) submit the patches to RMK Apr 05 09:11:45 I still think it should be possible to share the namespace anyway Apr 05 09:11:52 it is Apr 05 09:11:54 koen: and c) be deaf so they cant here the screams of the bootloader coders Apr 05 09:12:01 powerpc defines a skip value, right? Apr 05 09:12:27 * XorA has no need of pxa serial anyway so I just turned it off Apr 05 09:13:06 koen: I'm not sure. If they did, it would be possible to copy for the PXA Apr 05 09:19:20 during the kernel 2.4 days it had a skip value Apr 05 09:19:32 it told the 8250 to start at SKIP_VALUE Apr 05 09:19:39 which could be 0 or 3 iirc Apr 05 09:20:09 (I can't pinpoint the summary Erik Mouw wrote on that via google atm) Apr 05 09:27:15 RP: BTW know anything about ppp stuff? Apr 05 09:27:47 XorA: A tiny bit Apr 05 09:40:36 RP: any ideas why stuff sent by pppd would not make it to a UART, but stuff from the UART would make it to pppd Apr 05 09:41:10 RP: I see this behaviour on RTM8000 card, which works perfectly on 2.4.crappix with updated serial_cs from Cacko Apr 05 09:41:48 XorA: not really :/ Apr 05 09:43:01 RP: ok, I was just hoping you had it stored in your brain somewhere :-) Apr 05 09:43:16 RP: its a pain to debug because I cant really dismantle the card :-) Apr 05 09:46:38 kone: thx, we have allready a place, and i think we should have at least the phone working before we add images at angstrom. I also think it's bether to just have one place to host images instead of diffrents places. Apr 05 09:48:29 * XorA wonders if he can wrap pppd in an app that opens the serial port and lets me see what goes on Apr 05 09:48:41 strace? Apr 05 09:48:56 iirc there's a kernel module to sniff serial traffic Apr 05 09:49:36 koen: no I more want to use an app to open /dev/ttySX and use pppd in pty mode to talk to that app Apr 05 09:49:58 koen: I need to see at which point in chain fsckup happens Apr 05 09:55:06 * XorA one again fights with git ""branch.gg-dev.merge" does not match any remote branch fetched" WTF is that supposed to mean Apr 05 09:55:57 XorA: it means that git sucks donkey ass Apr 05 10:04:21 git is so bloody unstable Apr 05 10:05:01 ~lart lrg Apr 05 10:08:12 and all the documentaion appears to just be varying from incorrect to downright wrong Apr 05 13:13:58 is someone from sumuo.com here? Apr 05 13:30:41 I hope not Apr 05 13:30:59 the cluelessness might spread Apr 05 13:35:18 who are they? Apr 05 13:39:04 some zaurus people here? Apr 05 13:39:22 dcordes: me Apr 05 13:39:51 * XorA in confused by the results of 2066 Apr 05 13:40:08 XorA, is it possible to have direct rendering on the zaurus using angstrom? Apr 05 13:40:39 dcordes: define direct rendering Apr 05 13:41:11 XorA, DRI Apr 05 13:41:26 dcordes: no, because there isnt a GL chip Apr 05 13:41:32 Direct Rendering Infrastructure (DRI) is an interface used in the X Window System to securely allow user applications to access the video hardware without requiring data to be passed (slowly) through the X server. Apr 05 13:41:37 XorA, ok i see Apr 05 13:41:53 dcordes: X in normal operation renders directly to framebuffer Apr 05 13:41:53 on youtube i saw some children playing 3d games with their zaurus Apr 05 13:42:02 dcordes: doom/quake work fine Apr 05 13:42:12 dcordes: but then they used to work on 25Mhz 386 machines Apr 05 13:42:47 :) Apr 05 13:43:30 XorA, see that's what i mean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of6pbkRJQPI Apr 05 13:44:08 Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Macromedia's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player. Apr 05 13:44:36 eekj Apr 05 13:45:11 that's the closed source playstation emulator running on insanely overclocked zauri Apr 05 13:47:08 oh i'm not quite planning to overclock mine Apr 05 13:48:44 iirc that's on a 700MHz pxa270 zaurus Apr 05 13:49:05 I tried convincing the developer to open the source so we could build it, but they refused Apr 05 13:49:26 koen: is that not the same source as psx4gp2x which is open Apr 05 13:49:35 they only released it for the openzaurus distribution? Apr 05 13:49:44 koen: and gets 15fps on 300Mhz gp2x Apr 05 13:50:00 XorA: dunno, at the time they only built for cacko and pdaX and were closed Apr 05 13:50:16 XorA: the gp2x has a pile of asics to accell stuf, right? Apr 05 13:50:29 koen: no-one uses them much as they are all closed Apr 05 13:50:59 anyway, /me heads to the EE beer cellar to pick up a grade and drink beer Apr 05 13:51:01 koen: they are using JIT dynamic recompiler for GBA and PSX emu though Apr 05 14:14:48 * hrw upgrades progear to latest angstrom Apr 05 14:15:20 now I have progear on desk so it is usable more then it was Apr 05 14:16:14 koen: i686 base-files is not machine depend but contain hostname Apr 05 14:18:17 Downloading http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/i686/machine/progear/kernel-image-2.6.16-hh9_2.6.20-r4_progear.ipk Apr 05 14:18:20 WTF? Apr 05 14:24:33 ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-base: libgcc-s1 (>= 4.1.1) libgcc-s1 (>= 4.1.1) libgcc-s1 (>= 4.1.1) Apr 05 14:24:43 i686 feeds are a bit broken Apr 05 15:02:30 <_law_> hi Apr 05 15:02:47 hi law Apr 05 15:03:22 <_law_> the latest unstable angstrom images needs libesd.so.0 for gpe-conf but they are not installed... Apr 05 22:05:51 hi **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 06 03:00:00 2007