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Apr 26 07:04:47 <alban_42> is there a alternative site for the tzcode2007e.tar.gz
Apr 26 07:14:30 <alban_42> tzcode-native-2007e fails to fetch 
Apr 26 08:55:14 <Laibsch> alban_42: Yes, indeed the server seems to be down temporarily.
Apr 26 09:28:58 <koen> isn't that file on the angstrom source mirror?
Apr 26 09:38:28 <koen> ah, nope
Apr 26 09:38:31 <koen> it is now :)
Apr 26 09:38:57 <XorA> koen: heh heh you warez king
Apr 26 09:41:14 <XorA> koen: we should hook all angstrom devs and the mirror up in a huge GFS array
Apr 26 09:41:32 <koen> that thought had crossed my mind
Apr 26 09:42:02 * XorA wonders if gfs works through ssh
Apr 26 09:58:47 * koen wonders about fuse-gfs-over-ssh
Apr 26 15:17:26 <koen> heh, angstrom has an unintended side effect for the zaurites
Apr 26 15:17:32 <koen> it enables them to do proper debian
Apr 26 15:17:45 <koen> I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry about that
Apr 26 15:19:42 <XorA> koen: you been reading oesf again?
Apr 26 15:19:51 <koen> yes
Apr 26 15:20:41 <XorA> debian installer for zaurus makes sense :-)
Apr 26 15:23:01 <hrw> but first zaurus have to be supported platform in debian ;D
Apr 26 15:23:30 <XorA> of course zaurus is dead so not likely
Apr 26 15:23:49 <XorA> and one day we will be able to do bitbake angstrom-debian-sid :-D
Apr 26 15:25:21 * XorA loves having a backup MX
Apr 26 15:30:02 <koen> a backup mexico?
Apr 26 15:30:53 <XorA> koen: nah, just somehwere that queus me mail while I screw up spamassassin install
Apr 26 18:49:14 <koen> hrw|gone: you wanted to remove these files: http://rafb.net/p/EsZ4Ck61.html, right?
Apr 26 18:54:08 <hrw|gone> koen: yes. but leave openzaurus ones for me
Apr 26 18:54:23 <koen> hrw|gone: I'm not touching familiar
Apr 26 18:54:36 <hrw|gone> I am OpenZaurus maintainer still.
Apr 26 18:54:43 <hrw|gone> koen: so I will remove it
Apr 26 18:54:50 <koen> ok, thanks
Apr 26 18:54:56 <koen> I'll ping crofton as well
Apr 26 18:55:01 <hrw|gone> ok
Apr 26 18:55:07 <Crofton> pong
Apr 26 18:55:10 <hrw|gone> let he remove openomap itself
Apr 26 18:55:28 <Crofton> you can delete if you want
Apr 26 18:55:39 <Crofton> Angstrom is working fine for Efika
Apr 26 18:55:42 <Crofton> er OSK
Apr 26 18:55:48 <hrw|gone> koen: "Also during last time people were asking Koen Kooi when Ångström is going to be released. He usually answered that it depends on OpenZaurus release plans (OZ first)." - do you agree?
Apr 26 18:56:08 <hrw|gone> Crofton: openomap is your distro so you are best person to drop it
Apr 26 18:56:10 <koen> yes
Apr 26 18:56:15 <hrw|gone> thx
Apr 26 18:56:36 <Crofton> I will do it, unless one of you beats me to it
Apr 26 18:56:57 <hrw|gone> koen: we will have to organize move of content from OpenZaurus wiki to Angstrom wiki
Apr 26 18:57:21 <koen> I also wondered if angstrom is supposed to be "the reference implementation for an OE built distro" if we should delete generic as well
Apr 26 18:57:40 <hrw> koen: our wiki guys want to move it to angstrom one
Apr 26 18:57:56 <koen> hrw: sure, I don't touch docs :)
Apr 26 18:58:02 <Crofton> does generic provide a simple starting point for people that want there own distro's?
Apr 26 18:58:13 <hrw> koen: angstrom does not have any doc maintainers yet?
Apr 26 18:58:21 <koen> hrw: not that I know off
Apr 26 18:59:04 <hrw> ok
Apr 26 18:59:22 <hrw> so Scott Bronson and lardman will probably take care of some of it
Apr 26 18:59:34 <Crofton> ok, I can drop openomap since OE os broken 
Apr 26 19:00:23 <koen> hrw: I plan to do only OE work for angstrom once I find a victim^H^H^H^H^H^H release manager
Apr 26 19:03:09 <hrw> koen: first we need to do developers migration to angstrom-devel, then small brainstorm about release
Apr 26 19:03:20 <koen> right
Apr 26 19:03:23 <hrw> which devices are ready for release, which will be added after release
Apr 26 19:03:46 <koen> and a big cluebat saying "Angstrom is not only for zaurus machines"
Apr 26 19:03:58 <hrw> what to do with devices which we can build for and no one maintain them
Apr 26 19:04:14 <koen> hrw: untested/ or unsupported/ ?
Apr 26 19:04:32 <hrw> rather untested
Apr 26 19:04:44 <hrw> we 'support' them because we provide images
Apr 26 19:04:51 <koen> yeah
Apr 26 19:05:03 * koen has given up on trying to educate users
Apr 26 19:05:05 <hrw> we need to provide SDK too
Apr 26 19:05:43 <hrw> I am playing with oh-image-sdk recently - it is nice to develop on device while most of job is done on desktop ;d
Apr 26 19:05:58 <Crofton> openomap dropped
Apr 26 19:06:04 <koen> the avahi patch for distcc is pretty neat
Apr 26 19:06:15 <hrw> brb
Apr 26 19:08:42 <hrw> re
Apr 26 19:26:10 <hrw> http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/04/26/openzaurus-time-is-over-long-life-angstrom/
Apr 26 20:01:02 <psokolovsky> hrw: nice plan!
Apr 26 21:34:11 <dcordes> got an akita here and would like to test out Angstrom i have an openzaurus on my flash. what do i need to download and do in order to boot angstrom from SD card with altboot?
Apr 26 21:38:19 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/akita/20070422/ has all the stuff you need: updater.sh.akita, zImage-xxx.bin and either Angstrom-console-image-xxx.jffs2 or Angstrom-x11-image-xxx.jffs2
Apr 26 21:39:19 <dcordes> hvontres|poodle, could you tell me what files i need exactly for x11?
Apr 26 21:39:32 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: ooops, you probably want the .ext2 files instead 
Apr 26 21:39:41 <dcordes> i dunno what i want
Apr 26 21:39:45 <dcordes> :)
Apr 26 21:39:54 <dcordes> that's the problem ^^
Apr 26 21:40:55 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: you would need to flash the kernel (http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/akita/20070422/zImage-2.6.20-akita-20070422142150.bin) with updater.sh.akita
Apr 26 21:40:57 <dcordes> hvontres|poodle, i already tried several times but it always turned out in an error
Apr 26 21:41:19 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: did you rename the files?
Apr 26 21:41:25 <dcordes> so i download those two files and put them on the card?
Apr 26 21:41:25 <dcordes> yes
Apr 26 21:41:44 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: I think so...thats how I do it on my 5600
Apr 26 21:41:45 <dcordes> the thing is.. the tutorial only mentions the filename as they should be
Apr 26 21:41:52 <dcordes> not how they are in the unstable repository
Apr 26 21:41:58 <dcordes> which confuses noob poeple like me :)
Apr 26 21:42:25 <dcordes> hvontres|poodle, does that remove everything on the flash?
Apr 26 21:42:27 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: well, the problem is that updater.sh is too dumb to deal with sane filenames
Apr 26 21:42:52 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: if you only have the zImage.bin and updater.sh files, it only flashes the kernel
Apr 26 21:43:20 <dcordes> i would like to erase everything and switch to angstrom
Apr 26 21:43:24 <dcordes> ok
Apr 26 21:43:50 <dcordes> so which 3 files do i need then? exactly if possible
Apr 26 21:44:26 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: in that case, also put either x11-image-akita.jffs2 or console-image-akita.jffs2 on the card and rename it to initrd.bin (or whatever the akita is supposed to be)
Apr 26 21:45:19 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: so you would wind up with updater.sh, zImage.bin and initrd.bin on your card...which needs to be FAT16 IIRC
Apr 26 21:45:45 <dcordes> hvontres|poodle, how can i tell the system to install it on the card?
Apr 26 21:45:54 <dcordes> is it even possible to install to card from card?
Apr 26 21:45:56 <dcordes> (sd)
Apr 26 21:46:18 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: I thought you said you wanted to erase everything from flash
Apr 26 21:46:28 <dcordes> hm
Apr 26 21:47:04 <dcordes> i would like to have a clean install but also some space. so SD would be better
Apr 26 21:48:13 <dcordes> hvontres|poodle, can't i just extract one of those rootfs to the card's root and boot?
Apr 26 21:48:40 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: in that case I would suggest the following: 1) flash the console-image and kernel and install altboot
Apr 26 21:49:09 <dcordes> altboot is already pressent
Apr 26 21:49:15 <hvontres|poodle> 2) set up your SD card as ext2 and untar the rootfs tarball of choice
Apr 26 21:49:17 <dcordes> i have an openzaurus on the internarl flash thing
Apr 26 21:49:32 <dcordes> ah that sounds good1
Apr 26 21:49:34 <dcordes> !
Apr 26 21:50:05 <dcordes> so what console image would i like then and how do i install altboot in step 1) ?
Apr 26 21:50:54 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/akita/20070422/console-image-akita.jffs2, rename to initrd.bin
Apr 26 21:52:18 <dcordes> it's big
Apr 26 21:52:47 <dcordes> hvontres|poodle, mv console-image-akita.jffs2 initrd.bin done
Apr 26 21:53:23 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: so now you should have the three files needed to flash, right?
Apr 26 21:53:38 <dcordes> initrd.bin  updater.sh.akita
Apr 26 21:53:53 <dcordes> no only 2. I though I do that setp one first for which i only need two files
Apr 26 21:54:07 <dcordes> hvontres|poodle, please have mercy with me low knowledge :(
Apr 26 21:54:55 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: you also need http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/akita/20070422/zImage-2.6.20-akita-20070422142150.bin , renamed to zImage.bin
Apr 26 21:55:48 <dcordes> all done.
Apr 26 21:56:08 <dcordes> hvontres|poodle, So now I have my unpartitioned 2gb sd card here
Apr 26 21:56:14 <dcordes> how would I partition it?
Apr 26 21:57:46 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: are you going to flash with it?
Apr 26 21:57:58 <dcordes> i actually don't know what flash is
Apr 26 21:58:50 <dcordes> I would like to make sure to have enough space for installing applications and remove openzaurus from the flash.
Apr 26 21:59:09 <dcordes> hvontres|poodle, thought we would do that 1), 2) thing :)
Apr 26 22:01:26 <dcordes> hvontres|poodle, what would be the best solution?
Apr 26 22:01:43 <dcordes> as i said i'm free to remove the whole internal stuff which is currently on it
Apr 26 22:02:55 <dcordes> hvontres|poodle, sorry. X was gone
Apr 26 22:03:54 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: so do you just have the 2GB card or do you have any other ones around?
Apr 26 22:04:09 <dcordes> I also have a 1gb sd
Apr 26 22:05:28 <dcordes> hvontres|poodle, why do you ask?
Apr 26 22:05:34 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: OK, so here is my suggestion: set up the 2GB card with ~150MB for / (ext2) another 128MB for swap space and use the rest for data.
Apr 26 22:06:02 <dcordes> alright
Apr 26 22:06:34 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: format the 1GB card to FAT16 and use it for flashing (follow the directions here: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/c1000-install-instructions)
Apr 26 22:07:45 <hvontres|poodle> you will also need to get the altboot.ipk from the openzaurus feed, since it seems to be missing from angsrtom right now.
Apr 26 22:08:04 <dcordes> hvontres|poodle, Would it also be possible to have the 2GB SD card fat16, use it for the flashing, and after that format it tou what you just said above?
Apr 26 22:08:33 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: 2GB cards might not work right for flashing
Apr 26 22:08:45 <dcordes> because I have the filesystem from my mobile phone on the 1gb
Apr 26 22:09:00 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: what format is it?
Apr 26 22:09:08 <dcordes> hm fat16 i think
Apr 26 22:09:17 <dcordes> but there are some config files from the phone
Apr 26 22:09:26 <dcordes> file system was the wrong term to use... only config issue
Apr 26 22:10:25 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: if it is fat16, you can just put the files in the root dir
Apr 26 22:10:33 <dcordes> k
Apr 26 22:11:27 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: so when you have the cosole thing working with altboot, then I would grab the x11-image tarball and just extract it to the first partition on your 2GB card
Apr 26 22:12:55 <dcordes> hvontres|poodle, 2GB card with ~150MB for / (ext2) another 128MB for swap space and use the rest for data.   <- is that still relevant?
Apr 26 22:13:43 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: yes. That way you can easily re-do your / without worrying about your data.
Apr 26 22:14:49 <dcordes> hvontres|poodle, but isn't 150gb a bit small for /, assuming that I'm going to install some additional kernel modules and stufF?
Apr 26 22:16:49 <dcordes> hvontres|poodle, nevermind. I just made it 200m ext2 and I got the 128m swap now on it. rest ext2
Apr 26 22:16:53 <dcordes> for data as you said
Apr 26 22:17:00 <dcordes> now i'm going over to the 1gb
Apr 26 22:17:23 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: you could go bigger of course. That is what I would probably use myself
Apr 26 22:22:29 <dcordes> hvontres|poodle, I'm a bit confused now, on what files to put on the 1gb fat16 for flashing. All three files you just told me to download?
Apr 26 22:22:51 <dcordes> You know.. the 3 ones I got here
Apr 26 22:23:33 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: updater.sh, zImage.bin and initrd.bin
Apr 26 22:23:50 <dcordes> also the X11 stuff?
Apr 26 22:24:23 <dcordes> I have the 3 files as you explained before- but I'm unsure if they are correct since you said I should extract some rootfs two the 2gb?
Apr 26 22:24:35 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: not needed. you can just untar that directly to your 2GB card in a card reader
Apr 26 22:24:56 <dcordes> ok
Apr 26 22:25:12 <dcordes> hvontres|poodle, and what about that altboot?
Apr 26 22:26:35 <hvontres|poodle> dcordes: yeah, you probably want to put the altboot.ipk and altboot-conf.ipk from the openzaurus feed on your 1GB card
Apr 26 22:53:37 <dcordes> hvontres|poodle, is it normal that the openzaurus splash appears?
Apr 26 22:54:18 <dcordes> hvontres|poodle, oh the flashing process seems to not did any change to my system. I followed the guide http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/c1000-install-instructions
Apr 26 23:20:00 <dcordes> hvontres|poodle, ok I made some mistakes about that. One last question today if you're still around: I installed altboot and altboo-conf but altboot does not run on startup. how can i change this?
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