**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 27 02:59:57 2007 Apr 27 07:35:02 guten morgen! Apr 27 07:35:25 * Laibsch finished compilation of his own angstrom image for the first time Apr 27 08:17:48 * XorA has pulled, now lets see how much Angstrom fails :-) Apr 27 10:05:11 hrw: if the oz dudes want to takes over website maint as well: add their keys and let them do it Apr 27 10:07:30 time for an Angstrom inside sticker :-) Apr 27 10:07:55 in line with gnome 10x10 we could have 10-10 :) Apr 27 10:09:02 :-D Apr 27 10:09:23 dont use a sledge hammer, use a peice of Angstrom 10 by 10 Apr 27 10:11:24 Angstrom the I beam of the embedded world Apr 27 12:28:20 Does angstrom support opie now? (as I've read on the OZ-related bug OZ is being phased out by angstrom) Apr 27 12:28:47 polyonymous: no, still no maintainers Apr 27 12:29:32 koen, thanks. It's a pity :-( Probably I should take time and see if I can replace opie with gpe one day... Apr 27 12:37:06 ahah I have found the 8250 fault Apr 27 12:37:57 XorA: cheers Apr 27 12:38:03 XorA: the ppp one as well? Apr 27 12:38:07 koen: nope Apr 27 12:38:32 koen: but I should have fix for the 8250 one in a minute and I think Ill even make dmesg print the right ttySX port :-) Apr 27 12:38:44 :) Apr 27 12:51:29 polyonymous: There are maintainers for opie. Rest assured it will stick around. Apr 27 12:52:03 koen: When will it finally become officially supported? At least psokolovsky and me are willing to work on it. I think there were others. Apr 27 12:52:36 when there are enough people that will actually maintain it Apr 27 12:52:54 by 'maintaining' meaning 'making it works with userspace that isn't 3 years old' Apr 27 12:53:22 e.g. with a recent bluez-utils Apr 27 12:53:46 Laibsch, thanks for letting me know. Indeed, I don't care much about the official status, it's just that the idea of trying to make it work on my own doesn't appeal to me. Apr 27 12:53:53 koen: I think that opie without bt support should be acceptable too Apr 27 12:54:11 Laibsch, but do you actually have it running on angstrom? Apr 27 12:54:23 hrw: and 3 weeks later without wifi, and 2 weeks after that without ... and without ... Apr 27 12:54:24 hrw, well, as long as bt works in opie-console :) Apr 27 12:54:37 so basically it looks like the deal is, upgrade to bluez latest and opie can come it? Apr 27 12:54:40 polyonymous: it won't, it will use dbus Apr 27 12:54:57 koen, you're talking about bluepin stuff? Apr 27 12:55:10 XorA: and at least 2 developers going on the record of maintaining it Apr 27 12:55:10 koen: You always keep raising the bar and moving the target Apr 27 12:55:15 XorA: *really* maintaining it Apr 27 12:55:17 That's kinda can be automated with no human interaction. Apr 27 12:55:25 koen: well 2 just offered Apr 27 12:55:36 But I don't care if it is "officially" supported or not Apr 27 12:55:42 XorA: 2 people with write access to opie cvs? Apr 27 12:56:06 koen: do any of us have write access to gnome svn? Apr 27 12:56:29 XorA: gnome isn't a piece of crap from 2001 Apr 27 12:56:37 (and we don't have a gnome-image) Apr 27 12:56:39 polyonymous: I had BIG trouble with the computer I build on. I finished my first image this morning. I hope I find the time to test things out soon. Apr 27 12:56:45 collie being on the plate, too Apr 27 12:57:04 koen: I think if people offer to make opie work, then you cant keep kicking them in the nuts, there is a lot of stuff in OE we make work Apr 27 12:57:06 Laibsch, Good. I hope I will clean up some space to try it on spitz. Apr 27 12:57:17 right now I have 300M :) Apr 27 12:57:21 koen: stop being funny asshole. opie is more or less dead but we do not need people with r/w to opie cvs to maintain it. Apr 27 12:57:33 koen: no matter how much I hate opie/Qt I wouldnt want to stop people working on it Apr 27 12:57:37 koen: Paul does not have r/w and did lot of GOOD job on opie in OE Apr 27 12:57:52 koen: I have even patched Qte for OE in past :-) Apr 27 12:58:20 OMG! we cant use busybox in angstrom!! Apr 27 12:58:31 no one from us has r/w to busybox svn.... Apr 27 12:59:19 Anyway, opie may be a PITA, but knowing that angstrom strives to replace OZ, dropping opie doesn't sound good... Apr 27 12:59:43 polyonymous: right Apr 27 13:00:03 It would have also been a major bummer if it had not supported collie since there are so many of them out there. Apr 27 13:00:20 At least in non.-jp Apr 27 13:00:30 Right, but I have to admit, it doesn't really scratch my own itch :) Apr 27 13:00:53 that is of course your privilege ;-) Apr 27 13:01:08 I still want to continue using it for whatever I used it in the past. Apr 27 13:01:19 It is a nice little machine Apr 27 13:01:31 Finally being freed from the Sharp crap Apr 27 13:01:35 But yes, borzoi was damn expesive when I bought it, it's just that not everyone is as luck as I am to have birthday on yearly basis :) Apr 27 13:01:56 s/luck/lucky/ Apr 27 13:02:09 I have access to a spitz now. Apr 27 13:02:29 Laibsch: s/access to// Apr 27 13:02:34 And while it is a very nice machine, I could not have justified the price difference from collie to spitz Apr 27 13:03:09 it's much cheaper now Apr 27 13:03:27 so is the collie ;-) Apr 27 13:03:33 indeed:) Apr 27 13:03:49 but yes, I was talking about 6 months to 1 year ago Apr 27 13:03:49 * XorA has a 3200, C860 and a 5500 Apr 27 13:04:00 XorA: lucky bastard Apr 27 13:04:11 But I assume hrw tops us all ;-) Apr 27 13:04:20 Laibsch: I sold my original 5500 to pay for my wedding Apr 27 13:04:38 Laibsch: then last year someone in Edin sold me one for 20 quid so I could fix a OZ problem Apr 27 13:04:40 mine: 5500 c760, oe: 6000 Apr 27 13:04:45 Laibsch: the good old mplayer problem :-) Apr 27 13:05:01 XorA: What? Apr 27 13:05:11 Your wedding must have been unbelievably cheap Apr 27 13:05:31 Laibsch: nah, I needed enough cash to do the male part (which is pretty much the rings) Apr 27 13:05:52 and suits Apr 27 13:06:00 male part is kind of cheap :) Apr 27 13:06:02 my oe devices: zaurus 5500, zaurus c760, progear, neo1973. and also OE: zaurus 6000. and nokia770 which I do not plan to reflash Apr 27 13:06:38 I think that my part of wedding costs will be 1500 EUR (to 2k) Apr 27 13:08:42 <6>1.0: ttyS4 at I/O 0xc48402f8 (irq = 137) is a 16C950/954 Apr 27 13:10:21 0000:02:00.1: ttyS2 at I/O 0xe000 (irq = 11) is a 16550A Apr 27 13:10:45 hrw: I was showing a bluetooth card in zaurus giving the correct ttyS4 device Apr 27 13:11:15 its pcmcia modem card which is not at all shown by pccardctl here Apr 27 14:29:24 I installed altboot-conf and altboot ipks onto the console image of my Zaurus sl-c1000 akita. But its menu does not show up on power on. How can I make the system start it? Apr 27 14:32:35 dcordes: check /etc/altboot-2.6.cfg to make sure ENABLE_ALTBOOT is set to "yes" Apr 27 14:32:50 altboot is not installed by default? Apr 27 14:32:56 nope Apr 27 14:33:01 that sucks Apr 27 14:33:01 Laibsch, atm obviously not Apr 27 14:33:42 koen: It should be activated for devices with external storage IMHO Apr 27 14:33:42 lol guys Apr 27 14:33:47 kernel panic for me Apr 27 14:34:17 hvontres|poodle, with the 3 files you told me to download. After that I followed the normal howto Apr 27 14:35:35 Laibsch: no Apr 27 14:35:59 Laibsch: altboot requires a keyboard, which my devices with external storage don't have Apr 27 14:36:26 koen: OK makes sense. Then make that a) external storage and b) keyboard Apr 27 14:36:30 koen: so how about devices with external storage AND keyboard Apr 27 14:36:43 for those devices it make sense and would be nice if activated Apr 27 14:36:51 ~lart Laibsch for having faster finggers Apr 27 14:36:54 a form of altboot would make sense Apr 27 14:37:14 the current UI is too awfull and confusing Apr 27 14:37:23 hvontres|poodle: higher speed but more errors ;-) Apr 27 14:37:36 hvontres|poodle: you asleep at your poodle? Apr 27 14:37:51 "press 5, then 3 then 3, then enter a password, then press 5, enter another password, press 2389243, enter first password, etc" Apr 27 14:37:59 Laibsch: nope... poodle is at work, I'm asleep at home :) Apr 27 14:38:22 koen: We will need to find a way to make those decisions as a community. This has evolved from your toy project. Apr 27 14:38:30 Mind me giving you the error messages before kernel panic? Apr 27 14:38:35 Laibsch: indeed Apr 27 14:38:56 koen: I think you are confusing altboot with the phone menus at your bank/credit card company Apr 27 14:38:58 Laibsch: but as a meritocracy, not a democracy Apr 27 14:39:26 koen: if possible no power politics at all Apr 27 14:39:52 koen: this is and should not be about power but about good solutions Apr 27 14:40:01 didn't I just say that? Apr 27 14:40:49 (I kindly point you to the few year old discussion about angstrom-boot-manager and altboot) Apr 27 14:41:03 I interpreted it as "those who work on OE/angstrom a lot get to say" vs. "one man, one vote" Apr 27 14:41:16 that IS different Apr 27 14:41:25 right, that's how a meritocracy works Apr 27 14:41:44 "the people who did the work get to decide" Apr 27 14:42:05 Oh, so this will remain your playground forever then? Apr 27 14:42:10 no Apr 27 14:42:20 you just said that, basically Apr 27 14:42:37 Let's discuss on ML Apr 27 14:42:41 if a 1000 people say "openoffice in the base install for every machine" it will be so in a democracy Apr 27 14:42:55 even if it is utter shit Apr 27 14:43:02 Laibsch, are you angstrom developer between? Apr 27 14:43:29 not really Apr 27 14:43:36 I have commit access to OE, though Apr 27 14:43:45 I intend to continue to work on OE Apr 27 14:43:52 ok Apr 27 14:44:02 So that means I will touch more and more angstrom stuff (like everybody else) Apr 27 14:44:04 Laibsch, will you have a release some day? Apr 27 14:44:11 me? Apr 27 14:44:16 this is not my release Apr 27 14:44:18 Ever Apr 27 14:44:33 But I think an angstrom release is drawing closer Apr 27 14:44:36 sorry I got OE and OZ confused :) Apr 27 14:44:44 Forget OZ Apr 27 14:44:46 no more Apr 27 14:44:52 history Apr 27 14:45:12 That's why I'm here, trying to get the angstrom testing up on my akita ;) Apr 27 14:45:19 good Apr 27 14:45:21 Laibsch: the difference between you and me is that I'm thinking long term and you short term Apr 27 14:45:31 koen: Wow Apr 27 14:45:39 that was an inference Apr 27 14:45:44 in the context of the distribution Apr 27 14:45:47 not in general Apr 27 14:45:50 How did you deduct that? Apr 27 14:46:13 this is tarker tobak here Apr 27 14:47:14 *starker Apr 27 14:47:16 just kidding Apr 27 14:47:26 * Laibsch is stupefied Apr 27 14:47:52 I did not really propose anything yet. And I don't have a solution at hand. Apr 27 14:48:05 Makes me wonder how you can come to that conclusion Apr 27 14:48:37 may I ask a general question about OE here? Apr 27 14:48:42 or will I get slapped Apr 27 14:48:43 you said "altboot" and I said "some for of altboot", then you went off on the discussion tangent Apr 27 14:48:47 better go to #oe Apr 27 14:48:50 dcordes: #oe is for that Apr 27 14:49:07 alright see you there Apr 27 14:49:27 oh, so because I like altboot I think short-term? Apr 27 14:49:32 koen, come on Apr 27 14:49:37 this is ridiculous Apr 27 14:49:47 You made an impossible inference Apr 27 14:49:55 and presented it as fact Apr 27 14:50:12 no, as an opinion Apr 27 14:50:20 the difference between you and me is that I'm thinking long term and you short term Apr 27 14:50:23 quoting you Apr 27 14:50:38 IS Apr 27 14:51:04 Man koen, that sounds real harsh! Apr 27 14:51:08 * Laibsch is feeling we are on a slippery slope again to being unproductive Apr 27 14:52:20 I am with koen on this one I think altboot as its stands serves a purpose, but for Angstrom uses wants some polishing Apr 27 14:53:25 XorA: thanks for the btt Apr 27 14:53:28 ;-) Apr 27 14:54:06 right, Xora says it much better as I did Apr 27 14:54:40 * hvontres|poodle nominates XorA to be koen's PR department :) Apr 27 14:55:13 the problem is if an app makes it into default install people see that as some form of endorsement, but its not really Apr 27 14:55:31 so it is there as an option Apr 27 14:56:00 when it has nice shiney menus (just me picking something out of the blue) then Im sure we'll decide to make it the default Apr 27 14:56:09 when and how are we going to see GUI collie images? Apr 27 14:56:30 XorA: but what are we supposed to use while we wait for those shiny menus? Apr 27 14:56:43 hvontres|poodle: ipkg install altboot if you want to use it Apr 27 14:56:45 You will probably need altboot just for that Apr 27 14:56:52 how can I edit /etc/altboot-2.6.cf? Apr 27 14:57:01 dcordes: vi? Apr 27 14:57:05 i've got the raw angstrom image Apr 27 14:57:06 Laibsch: gui collie images are at the moment 2Meg over limit, I plan to look into it Apr 27 14:57:07 XorA: for collie there is no other option ATM, I am afraid Apr 27 14:57:14 eek I never dealt with vi, hvontres|poodle Apr 27 14:57:19 XorA: So you think it might be doable? Apr 27 14:57:27 dcordes: vi is your FRIEND :) Apr 27 14:57:34 Laibsch: Im pretty sure it is, I think we pull in some shit we dont need Apr 27 14:57:40 OK Apr 27 14:57:49 hvontres|poodle, how can i close vi? Apr 27 14:57:58 I think that altboot in current form is something which user can install after first boot Apr 27 14:58:02 Laibsch: when Thomas (is that the right name) finishes the kernel I plan to give collie some TLC Apr 27 14:58:11 XorA: I thought it was consensus that collie can only survive in root-on-SD or some such scenario Apr 27 14:58:17 Laibsch: as it stands Opie on collie probably fits :-) Apr 27 14:58:25 nice! Apr 27 14:58:25 dcordes: :w Apr 27 14:58:27 ;-) Apr 27 14:59:03 hvontres|poodle, i typed :w and nothing happens Apr 27 14:59:11 :wq Apr 27 14:59:16 Laibsch: for normal users root on SD is pretty much the only way if they want to actually install stuff, unless someone gets unionfs working Apr 27 14:59:28 Laibsch: the reason for this is ipkg-link is so damn unintuitive Apr 27 14:59:30 hrw, i typed :wq and nothing happened Apr 27 15:00:01 s/unionfs/some smart ldconfig or path magic/ Apr 27 15:00:09 dcordes: did you hit the "cancel" button first? Apr 27 15:00:36 * XorA has wondered about zero install on PDA devices Apr 27 15:00:49 hvontres|poodle, alright with the cancel button before it works Apr 27 15:01:30 XorA: Actually, I have been running my poodle off of SD (with a custom kernel for now) it it works quite nicely. Plus it has the added benifit of being able to have one Card for daily use and one for testing Apr 27 15:01:52 hvontres|poodle: exactly Apr 27 15:02:21 hvontres|poodle: you confuse we as you are either agreeing with me, or misunderstanding me :-D Apr 27 15:02:24 hvontres|poodle, Ok the option ENABLED_ALTBOOT is yees Apr 27 15:02:32 jeez, yes i mean :) Apr 27 15:02:48 XorA: I'd like to avoid ipkg-link in angstrom, but I haven't seen a replacement yet Apr 27 15:03:04 koen: Id like to burn it at the stake :-D Apr 27 15:03:08 with ipkg as the fuel Apr 27 15:03:19 XorA: I even have some patches for altboot to make this more automagic. Now if someone could just add commandline twiddeling to kexec.... Apr 27 15:03:55 hvontres|poodle: Do you have them in the BTS? That is where they should be. Along with your kexec request Apr 27 15:04:19 hvontres|poodle, ... sorry I forgot the gist of the problem. The optin is set to yes but it doesn't boot. Apr 27 15:04:23 to altboot Apr 27 15:04:32 * koen would like an initrd with angstrom-boot-manager + uclibc Apr 27 15:04:41 dcordes: did you hit the "any key" when it asks you Apr 27 15:04:44 Id like to see 3 options 1) run on flash, for people who only want a PDA 2) altboot to SD for people who like the comfort of flash but want to run on SD 3) just boot the damn system of SD for people who want lots of apps and dont care for comfort Apr 27 15:04:48 Can somebody with an AMD64 please test compilation of db3-native? Apr 27 15:04:48 !oebug 1765 Apr 27 15:04:49 * * Bug 1765, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-01-06 23:28 Apr 27 15:04:50 * * mamay55(AT)gmail.com: db3-native breaks the build of OZ 3.5.4.x on AMD64 Apr 27 15:04:51 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1765 Apr 27 15:05:01 hvontres|poodle, it doesn't ask me some Apr 27 15:05:35 dcordes: What device? Apr 27 15:05:37 Laibsch: I think everyone uses db4 now anyway Apr 27 15:05:53 XorA: So let's just close it? Apr 27 15:06:05 Laibsch: thats tricky the bug is real Apr 27 15:06:06 akita Apr 27 15:06:08 XorA: and for now altboot can support all three :) Apr 27 15:06:11 zaurus sl-c1000 Apr 27 15:06:19 XorA: WONTFIX comes to the rescue ;-) Apr 27 15:06:29 Laibsch: and I dont want to advocate ripping out db3 in case some corncercase uses it Apr 27 15:06:37 OK Apr 27 15:07:00 Did you see my complaint about kernel panic above? I reflashed since that. Rebootet several times fine. Now after I installed altboot I get the panic on bootup :) Apr 27 15:07:01 So, again. Somebody have an AMD64 handy? hrw? Apr 27 15:07:03 Laibsch: I gave those altboot changes to CoreDump. I need to fix one last bug and I'll add a new .bb to the BT Apr 27 15:07:14 * XorA is running i386 at moment as I was spending too much time fixing amd64 problems at work and not doing work Apr 27 15:07:24 Laibsch, what do you mean by handy? Apr 27 15:07:24 hehe Apr 27 15:07:36 not the mobile phone, for sure ;-) Apr 27 15:07:55 dcordes: "at their disposition" Apr 27 15:08:02 Laibsch: I have amd64 and x86 Apr 27 15:08:10 dcordes: verfügbar Apr 27 15:08:20 Laibsch: WONTFIX it Apr 27 15:08:21 Anybody has an idea why altboot kills my angstrom? Apr 27 15:08:58 Laibsch: we use db4 now in most of distros Apr 27 15:09:07 dcordes: Give me a minute and I will try on collie (and if that does not reproduce it the spitz) Apr 27 15:09:25 XorA: will wolfson fund your trip to guadec? Apr 27 15:09:29 Laibsch, so you've got a small army of handhelds there? Apr 27 15:09:39 no Apr 27 15:09:41 dcordes: what is the error message you get for the panic? Apr 27 15:09:43 just these two Apr 27 15:09:49 koen: no idea Apr 27 15:10:03 koen: I suspect it might be same as FOSDEM and only one may go Apr 27 15:10:04 hvontres|poodle, there is some stuff wait I will write it down. Apr 27 15:10:18 XorA: fingers crossed for you being the one :)_ Apr 27 15:10:23 s/_// Apr 27 15:10:39 koen: then we can have a Angstrom strategy meeting Apr 27 15:11:09 not a mallum-beard-shave meeting? Apr 27 15:11:22 koen: he looks a bit psycho to me Apr 27 15:14:32 hrw: are you coming to aKedemy? Apr 27 15:15:41 a little bird told me hrw is coming to guadec as well Apr 27 15:15:42 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17968/ Apr 27 15:15:48 * dcordes promotes ubuntu Apr 27 15:16:04 just that aKademy is the sensible end of the country Apr 27 15:16:28 * hrw did not yet decided which conferences to visit in this year Apr 27 15:16:43 I want to visit an open source conference too Apr 27 15:16:59 I have own wedding, sister wedding, cousin wedding, another cousin wedding... Apr 27 15:17:21 are weddings contagious? Apr 27 15:17:22 cheers that are many conferences Apr 27 15:17:28 hrw: you better clarify that, looks like you are a mormon :-) Apr 27 15:17:55 dcordes: where in world do you hide? Apr 27 15:18:14 koen: Yes, they are Apr 27 15:18:21 XorA, westside man Apr 27 15:18:28 germany Apr 27 15:18:38 Laibsch: I'd better stay away from them ;) Apr 27 15:18:40 dcordes: ah so withing easy flying of guadec then Apr 27 15:18:54 XorA: ;D Apr 27 15:18:57 where's guadec; what's guadec? Apr 27 15:19:09 dcordes: Birmingham UK, Gnome dudes Apr 27 15:19:16 koen: Me, too. And luckily not to many weddings around. But my GF already got the virus. Apr 27 15:19:16 ah i see Apr 27 15:19:21 jono on the front side Apr 27 15:19:24 t Apr 27 15:19:52 * XorA only got married twice :-D Apr 27 15:20:09 everyone: did we forget to mount /proc? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17968/ Apr 27 15:20:14 from dcordes Apr 27 15:20:17 that guy was at the cebit Apr 27 15:20:33 XorA: you already got married twice? You are a fast one. Apr 27 15:20:47 Laibsch, I forgot nothing. It worked until I installed altboot. Apr 27 15:20:58 Laibsch: already? Im almost 32 Apr 27 15:21:07 dcordes: I did not mean to imply you forgot anything. Apr 27 15:21:13 I bet I'm the youngest person here Apr 27 15:21:21 kk Apr 27 15:21:37 XorA: wow, your a yougin yet.... Apr 27 15:21:43 * hvontres|poodle is almost 35 :) Apr 27 15:21:50 old sacks :) Apr 27 15:21:54 XorA: Same here. I was never married. But being married, divorced and remarried at 32 is fast in my book (nothing negative implied, here) Apr 27 15:22:14 a fast paced world we live in Apr 27 15:22:17 Laibsch: :-D Apr 27 15:22:43 Laibsch: as Im not christian its less of a hassle Apr 27 15:22:52 dcordes: It looks like you discovered a bug where our images don't mount /proc. Nothing that you needed to take care of. Apr 27 15:23:19 Laibsch, mind me opening a ticket? Apr 27 15:23:25 dcordes: "Well, back in my day, we had to lug a C-64 5 miles to school, uphill, both ways, in the snow in july.." Apr 27 15:23:26 dcordes: please do Apr 27 15:23:30 XorA: But you need to sell your toys which *is* a hassle (and unfortunate) :-D Apr 27 15:23:36 XorA, where? Apr 27 15:23:45 31 here Apr 27 15:23:52 dcordes: Just a minute. Maybe we can fix it right here. Apr 27 15:23:55 Laibsch: well I thought I was finished with collie as I had C860 Apr 27 15:23:55 in the snow in july? Apr 27 15:23:59 djeez, you guys are old ;) Apr 27 15:24:02 kool Apr 27 15:24:04 dcordes: bugs.openembedded.org Apr 27 15:24:18 well if you can fix it before I post the ticket Apr 27 15:24:22 dcordes: just an old Yank joke... Apr 27 15:24:24 it'll be fine I guess Apr 27 15:24:26 * koen is still pre-30 Apr 27 15:24:26 Laibsch: and to tell the truth I spent the money I shoulda spent on wedding on Lego :-D Apr 27 15:24:28 dcordes: post the ticket :-D Apr 27 15:24:47 XorA: Need a new monitor now Apr 27 15:24:53 * Laibsch gets some cloth to wipe Apr 27 15:25:04 * XorA chuckles Apr 27 15:25:18 XorA: Lego, not just for boys anymore Apr 27 15:25:31 You are strange, let me tell you ;-) Apr 27 15:25:42 Or was it that Lego robot? Apr 27 15:25:59 * hvontres|poodle wonders how old his daughter needs to be to qualify for a mindstorm..... Apr 27 15:26:06 lego mindstorms ftw Apr 27 15:26:16 I hade one RIS when I was 13 or so Apr 27 15:26:21 :) Apr 27 15:26:26 dcordes: You said you were able to boot but not always? Apr 27 15:26:49 If you can boot, do "vi /etc/fstab" Apr 27 15:26:50 Laibsch, nah I said I'm able to boot without altboot installed Apr 27 15:26:52 * XorA has nice collection of lego trains, but I now want monorail Apr 27 15:27:00 respective I was able to boot when there was no altboot :) Apr 27 15:27:39 dcordes: and insert the following line Apr 27 15:27:39 dcordes: proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 Apr 27 15:27:39 dcordes: taken from my ubuntu installation, should work Apr 27 15:28:09 Laibsch, reflash Apr 27 15:28:09 dcordes: reflash, check fstab, update the bug report with your findings (please) Apr 27 15:28:30 dcordes: Smart dude we have there Apr 27 15:28:56 Laibsch, where? Apr 27 15:31:16 hrw, Laibsch, XorA - what was the problem with applying that db3-amd64 fix to the tree? I mean, the patch changes the line that is invalid, anyway, so it can't possibly hurt anyone. Apr 27 15:31:31 polyonymous: we all use db4 Apr 27 15:31:53 I like the OE bootscreen Apr 27 15:32:13 XorA, well, is db3 in the tree still? Apr 27 15:32:14 would it be possible to have it landscape for akita? Apr 27 15:32:14 dcordes: Du Apr 27 15:32:49 polyonymous: and I dont run amd64 at the moment to test it Apr 27 15:32:53 XorA, just checked. it is. Why not fix it, then, when you do have a fix which is at least harmless. Apr 27 15:33:02 polyonymous: if you can test feel free to fix Apr 27 15:33:07 XorA, I submitted the fix after testing it :) Apr 27 15:33:19 and someone else confirmed it worked for him. Apr 27 15:33:35 I don't mind closing it with WONTFIX, but why not incorporate the fix? Apr 27 15:34:17 XorA, the fix changes the line "db_cv_mutex=${db_cv_mutex=x86_64/gcc-assembly}}" which is invalid, anyway. Apr 27 15:34:44 Laibsch, I already have a line "proc /proc proc defaults 0 0" after reflashing. Apr 27 15:34:56 polyonymous: ah I am fixing then Apr 27 15:34:59 any idea? Apr 27 15:35:26 dcordes: install altboot Apr 27 15:35:28 check again Apr 27 15:35:31 XorA, good. It's not that I have problems with it, I have patch applied locally, but the decision sounds somewhat strange to me. Apr 27 15:35:49 dcordes: It would be weird for altboot to touch fstab, but anyway Apr 27 15:36:08 Laibsch, here are the steps I just did: reflashed, booted, installed altboot and altboot-conf, took a look at /etc/fstab where I saw proc is included. Apr 27 15:36:25 in chronological order Apr 27 15:36:35 so oviously, altboot doesn't touch fstab? Apr 27 15:36:36 polyonymous: I guess nobody was willing to spent any time on it pondering. You have commit access? Apr 27 15:36:54 polyonymous: pull and check I got it right Apr 27 15:36:55 dcordes: try rebooting. Apr 27 15:37:04 Laibsch, no, I haven't been playing much with OE recently. Apr 27 15:37:06 XorA, hang on. Apr 27 15:37:13 it will kernel panic me. Anything I can do before I have to reflash again?? Apr 27 15:37:21 * polyonymous wonders what is there to get it wrong :) Apr 27 15:37:34 dcordes: no Apr 27 15:37:47 dcordes: give me a minute for my collie Apr 27 15:38:08 Laibsch, alright Apr 27 15:38:13 * dcordes shower Apr 27 15:38:36 stop Apr 27 15:38:41 kernel panic now :) Apr 27 15:40:08 XorA, after pulling `mtn diff` says 'no changes' on site directory. I'm not a monotone expert, but I take it, it means that it worked? Apr 27 15:40:19 polyonymous: should do Apr 27 15:40:25 XorA, Good. Apr 27 15:40:51 I'd try your brand new 8050 fix, if I only had disk space to build :( Apr 27 15:41:04 polyonymous: what Z? Apr 27 15:41:10 borzoi Apr 27 15:41:36 (a.k.a. spitz for the purpose:)) Apr 27 15:41:58 polyonymous: if you agree not to stiff me on GPL I can point you at compiled modules :-) Apr 27 15:42:17 But I do want to get my BT in place by the time I go to Moscow for two weeks, so I'll test it in the nearest future. Apr 27 15:42:28 XorA, ;-)))) Well, I think, I can just do it myself. Apr 27 15:43:00 polyonymous: spitz (terrier) is what I have Apr 27 15:43:03 But thanks for proposing it ;-) Apr 27 15:43:21 terrier? Is terrier 3200 or what? Apr 27 15:43:26 yeah Apr 27 15:44:05 good. It became available at the same price like the next day after I bought borzoi :)) Not that I ever use 4G :) Apr 27 15:44:10 used Apr 27 15:44:51 :-( Apr 27 15:44:52 Well, I'll test it in the nearest future, I'm in the process that should bring some free space now :) Apr 27 15:45:05 polyonymous: I have my BT card running right now Apr 27 15:45:12 Good. what card? Apr 27 15:45:22 billionton Apr 27 15:46:12 Aha, good. Well, I'll soon be there, I hope :) Apr 27 15:52:24 time for me to flee Apr 27 15:52:26 bya Apr 27 16:04:45 I am somewhat unclear on how to flash the collie. What files do I need? How do I rename them? Apr 27 16:05:19 how do you rename them?!?!? Apr 27 16:05:24 with 'mv' or in a gui Apr 27 16:05:35 click on the filename and it should get selected Apr 27 16:07:37 * koen continues mumbling and moves to the tv Apr 27 16:08:24 koen|away: Funny Apr 27 16:08:36 Which ones do I need? Apr 27 16:08:42