**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 01 02:59:57 2007 May 01 05:59:49 koen: my eyes! the shinny greenish titles on the white background in the new Angstrom website is really hurting my eyes :) May 01 06:01:25 it looks great on my LCD display May 01 06:02:10 maybe he didn't use a CRT May 01 08:14:19 * XorA|gone thinks we need to teach liferea about code quality May 01 08:15:26 hey XorA May 01 08:15:47 I got both unstable and stable to build in OE May 01 08:16:34 XorA: could run "awk 'BEGIN { FS=": " } /Hardware/ { print $2 }' SHARP Borzoi May 01 08:17:50 * koen wonders who wrote the xtscal patch May 01 08:28:05 hey pH5 May 01 08:29:33 hey koen May 01 08:34:04 I am having problems building glib-2.0. Configure fails on vsprintf/printf checks. I "fixed" it by defining some vars in site/common-glbc, but I am not sure that is the right way to do things... May 01 08:34:27 Anyone else seeing this? May 01 08:34:30 reach: teaching OE a new platform? May 01 08:35:33 XorA: Sometimes it feels that way.... I am just trying to get a build up and running on MIPS. But the same problem occurs on both x86 and MIPS, so it seems like a general problem. May 01 08:36:56 reach: mips isnt used by many people as far as I recall May 01 08:37:18 reach: look in arm and see if we override those tests May 01 08:37:39 There were a bunch of warnings from configure about AC_TRY_RUN not being set to allow cross compiling. So it seems to default to "no" for all the tests that try to run. If I understand things. May 01 08:38:29 package glib-2.0-2.12.11 builds ok here z3200 the only warning i get is May 01 08:38:46 NOTE: Checking Package: glib-2.0-utils May 01 08:38:47 __builtin__:27: DeprecationWarning: raising a string exception is deprecated May 01 08:39:10 reach: there are stuff defined in arm-common for printf/vsnprintf so I suspect you need to add the results for mips in mips* May 01 08:39:16 XorA: that's the impression I am getting. So this would be the "normal" way to solve this kind of problem? I had some toolchain problems yesterday that koen helped me thorough. So I guess that the compiler is now working. May 01 08:39:41 reach: normally check what we did in ARM and copy the method to solve it May 01 08:39:51 reach: as ARM is the most supported arch May 01 08:40:06 reach: just make sure the results are the right ones :-) May 01 08:40:38 XorA: ok. Frustrating with the long compile times. Hard to test different platforms. May 01 08:41:18 XorA: So what should I do to get my site updates into the system? May 01 08:41:30 reach: file them on bugs.openembedded.org May 01 08:41:47 reach: working on WRT54G? May 01 08:42:23 XorA: No, a SOC-based SBC. May 01 08:43:21 XorA: I guess I should file bugs against the packages (e.g. glibc). Or should there be a more general MIPS support case? May 01 08:43:57 reach: Id try and make them as general as possible, especially for stuff like printf May 01 08:44:25 reach: if you have a lot of them you can always enter a MIPS metabug to coordinate all the other ones May 01 08:44:31 XorA: In this case, I am getting the same error with x86. I am using the stock angstrom distro. May 01 08:44:53 * koen wonders if http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ is now more idiot proof than yesterday May 01 08:45:02 reach: hrw|gone does x86 compiles of angstrom might be wirth waiting until he gets online and see if he has seen that problem May 01 08:45:20 In this case, it is glib testing for C99 compatible vsnprintf and the printf format for a long long. So somewhat generic. May 01 08:45:33 Wiki :-D May 01 08:46:12 reach: well we have that defined for arm certainly, so chances are it should either move to common or be defined per platform if the answer are different May 01 08:46:25 I was assuming that x86 got some regular love, but it sounds like everyone is on Arm. May 01 08:46:35 reach: but file the bugts otherwise people lose all the info you put on the channel May 01 08:47:09 reach: it does, but it also normally host == target for arch so it tends to pass stuff by luck May 01 08:48:21 XorA: ok, so I will start filing bugs. And maybe make a Wiki page collecting info on my MIPS experiences. Thanks. May 01 08:49:08 should gqview build ok on stitz ?? May 01 08:49:42 only if you pay charon May 01 08:50:30 shit who brought libiconv into the build :-( May 01 08:51:39 I can find a couple of penny's http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/penny.html May 01 08:53:11 it fails in pixbuf_util.c May 01 08:55:09 why not install gqview from the feeds? May 01 08:55:13 i can pist the log or do you want it as a real bug GRIN May 01 08:55:43 whoops post i mean May 01 08:56:00 * koen points to rule #5 at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ May 01 08:56:54 * XorA will build gqview when he rm -rf tmp May 01 08:57:38 ah koen occasionally i try to build it May 01 08:58:22 ok i will remove tmp and re run it it tass 20+ hours to build May 01 09:01:04 xora iwill re build it & post bug tomorrow what are you all running ??? (Freon Cooled Quat Intell CPUS !!!!) May 01 09:01:52 alban_42: dual core xeon May 01 09:02:08 alban_42: I should have an answer in about an hour May 01 09:03:22 I am sort of NERVOUS about cluttering up the bug tracker on what may be trivial ? to fix May 01 09:03:31 alban_42: dont be May 01 09:03:47 alban_42: at worse koen will call you a crazy fewl :-D May 01 09:04:05 i need a new pc May 01 09:04:09 It would be a bit weird to have rule 5 and not allow people to post bugs May 01 09:04:40 koen will TELL ME I am unsupported GRIN May 01 09:05:08 Ican Post the log from the build if its Usefull to You ?? May 01 09:05:24 koen: yes that should be more idiot proof May 01 09:05:35 alban_42: attach it to the bug May 01 09:05:46 alban_42: in an hour Ill have forgotten every word you said :-) May 01 09:12:27 ok its as bug 2184 May 01 09:12:44 alban_42: cheers May 01 09:13:23 alban_42: install libgtk2.0-dev May 01 09:13:31 alban_42: or equiv for your distro May 01 09:13:45 alban_42: then clean gqview and rebuild it May 01 09:20:45 Which version of bitbake should I be running now? 1.6 or 1.8? May 01 09:21:05 1.8.x May 01 09:22:28 koen: if I read the list correctly, OE has not yet officially switched, but will soon. Right? May 01 09:22:37 yes May 01 09:23:06 koen: but it should be working, modulus a few bugs. May 01 09:26:58 THANKS XorA I have to goto Work Now Bye May 01 09:44:08 reach: those printf should be in common-glibc May 01 09:44:20 hey hrw|gone May 01 09:44:32 hi May 01 09:44:36 holiday today May 01 09:44:44 same here May 01 09:45:22 but I have holiday also 3rd may May 01 09:46:17 4/5 may over here May 01 09:46:36 liberation day and rememberance day May 01 09:47:32 3rd may is constitution day in Poland May 01 09:48:44 first european constitution ;D May 01 09:49:09 hrw@home:~/devel/oe/org.openembedded/packages/xorg-lib$ mtn list unknown .|wc 9 9 314 May 01 09:49:26 someone want x11r7.2½? May 01 09:50:26 * koen raises hand May 01 09:51:31 not tested on animals yet - just build tested May 01 09:51:40 whats the 1/2 give us? May 01 09:52:06 xrandr 1.2, few other libs newer May 01 09:52:17 xorg-xserver 1.3.0.0 fails for me May 01 09:52:22 * koen actually want xrander 1.3 May 01 09:52:56 1.2.1 is all I can give you May 01 09:53:44 1.3 solves the thing holding back Xorg in OE: no more xorg.conf needed for every machine May 01 09:54:15 'needed' rather May 01 09:54:31 progear need mutouch configured May 01 09:54:48 hmmm, people started to OZ-ify the angstrom website May 01 09:54:48 my laptop need touchpad configuration May 01 09:55:01 why do people thing comments are appropriate to file bugs in? May 01 09:55:06 * koen disables comments May 01 09:56:52 koen: is this channel an end-user support channel for Angstrom, or a developer channel? i.e. will lots of people asking how to use Angstrom on ex-OZ devices be coming here, or elsewhere? May 01 09:57:35 (reading the logs of this channel after the announcement, it was looking like a user support channel rather than a developer lounge like the topic says, but that could have just been a temporary situation) May 01 09:58:01 it will became users channel sooner or later May 01 09:58:31 hrw|gone: when that happens, will I be up-to-date with developer issues if I continue to read #oe only? May 01 09:59:01 rwhitby: I suspect that for most things yes. May 01 09:59:54 yeah, we had to split the nslu2-linux channel into developer and user channels for the same reason. May 01 10:00:07 it took about a year for it to stick May 01 10:10:25 bye May 01 11:03:10 koen: what CMS runs on www.angstrom-distro.org? May 01 11:04:21 http://drupal.org/ 5.1 May 01 11:04:39 It supports xml-rpc, so we can hook it up to bitbake-ng :) May 01 11:22:39 * XorA waits for the build button :- May 01 11:22:40 ) May 01 13:26:02 * XorA needs to figure out fine grained drupal permissions May 01 13:26:19 XorA: create 'roles' May 01 13:27:16 koen: I figured that bit I just wasnt sure how to set for example forums to allow comments from the forums role, but the rest of the site only from admin May 01 13:27:32 koen: I shall look at this again tommorrow night May 01 13:27:45 go to 'access control', that should have all the bit May 01 13:27:46 s May 01 13:28:27 I even managed to import my wordpress setup into drupal minus the pictures May 01 13:34:39 damn, it doesnt seem to have fine granied control on who can comment where May 01 13:52:16 flashing my spitz with angstrom failed: http://rafb.net/p/oxN3pF48.html May 01 13:53:12 jffs2 on a spitz? May 01 13:53:54 Which one is it? May 01 13:54:08 That was the one that worked fine for me on collie May 01 13:54:11 dunno what you want to do May 01 13:54:26 I want to test angstrom on the spitz May 01 13:54:29 I assume you built your own kernel to boot from flash? May 01 13:54:50 My steps are outlined in the paste May 01 13:55:16 so, why the jffs2? May 01 13:55:44 I don't mind either May 01 13:55:51 Which one should I take? May 01 13:56:22 Why? That was the one that worked fine for me on collie May 01 13:58:19 why not follow http://wiki.openzaurus.org/Spitz/Install ? May 01 13:58:41 Because that is OZ? May 01 13:59:13 * koen gives up May 01 14:00:40 no need May 01 14:00:42 lol May 01 14:00:46 no need to May 01 14:00:51 I am following that now May 01 14:01:06 Is the wiki ready to have stuff added to it? May 01 14:01:11 But I think it is somewhat less than intuitive than angstrom would require you to read OZ wikis May 01 14:01:18 I didn't see the end of the discussion last night May 01 14:01:38 Laibsch: I'd suggest that if it works, then you should add those instructions to the Ansgtrom wiki May 01 14:01:47 lardman: why wouldn't the wiki be ready? May 01 14:01:47 And if I had followed it and ran into trouble, you surely would have made another snippish comment "nobody told you to use that" May 01 14:01:59 lardman: I quit work on the angstrom wiki May 01 14:02:15 koen: I was wondering whether it was going to be changed in some way after last night's discussions May 01 14:03:30 lardman: according to hrw you and bronson are in charge of the wiki, so you should know May 01 14:03:50 :) May 01 14:04:43 Laibsch: I don't own a spitz, if you could add some instructions, or simply let me know what's right/wrong in the oz.org ones that would be useful May 01 14:05:06 koen: Fair enough May 01 14:05:09 lardman: I keep meaning to fix the spitz instructions, Ill have to try and find time May 01 14:05:47 XorA: I'm happy to fix them (make them pretty etc.), but just need to know what's wrong May 01 14:06:16 * koen thinks install instructions shouldn't be in a wiki May 01 14:06:16 lardman: its the ordering of the special keypresses the one given in the wiki is bogus May 01 14:06:37 koen: Why not? Because they shouldn't change? May 01 14:06:46 lardman: correct May 01 14:06:50 lardman: my friend couldnt install at all, but I just did what my fingers are pre-programmed for and it worked :-) May 01 14:07:38 lardman: a lot of 'static' docs could be moved out of the wiki May 01 14:07:46 XorA: I guess the keypresses are the same as for the c750, etc. May 01 14:07:52 koen: Agreed May 01 14:07:54 lardman: no, different May 01 14:08:33 koen: The static bit that is. There have been changes to the naming, etc., of the files since those instructions were first written, so the wiki was of use May 01 14:08:46 XorA: Ah, okay. The problem with not having one May 01 14:08:50 lardman: I don't contest that May 01 14:09:31 Is there any advantage to not having the 'static' pages in the wiki? May 01 14:10:05 IMO they become more official May 01 14:10:21 I don't trust info in wiki's that much May 01 14:10:40 That's fair enough, can that be implemented then? Can I get access to the server? May 01 14:11:10 I think the original plan with the oz wiki was for the wiki to create the pages, then for them to be tidied, then made permanent May 01 14:11:17 we just never reached the final step May 01 14:11:33 or perhaps even the 2nd ;) May 01 14:12:41 lardman: sure, what's your preferred username and email? May 01 14:14:00 koen: may as well keep it simple with 'lardman' and s dot g dot pickering at bath dot ac dot uk May 01 14:17:26 you should have mail now May 01 14:18:20 I do, thanks May 01 14:18:46 did that list your password? May 01 14:20:01 yep, just changed it May 01 14:20:09 lardman: you should be able to add new users yourself May 01 14:20:33 koen: okay, I'll have to do some playing around and see how things work May 01 14:22:20 XorA, pH5, rwhitby and hrw have admin powers as well May 01 14:28:15 Okay. I'll start by creating some permanent 'installation' pages May 01 14:28:50 though not for a little while as I have day-job work to do May 01 14:29:08 lardman: if you copy in whats there for spitz, Ill try and fix it tomorrow night May 01 14:29:21 XorA: Okay May 01 14:44:42 Does the site software allow cascading pages? I.e. A single Installation Instructions page with links to each machine, or do I need to make lots of pages that are listed on the main page? May 01 14:46:58 lardman: it can cascade I think May 01 14:47:06 lardman: seems to when I am playing with it May 01 14:48:03 XorA: If I go to Create Content, choose page, it asks me for a page title, hardware, documentation, etc. May 01 14:48:53 Interestingly in Documentation there're 3 options - building, contrubuting and installing. Does this mean there's already an installation instructions page? May 01 14:49:08 lardman: you can create menus and put them in things I think May 01 14:49:38 Ok. I'll go for creating individual pages for the machines and see what happens May 01 14:50:47 Administer/Site Building/Menus on my drupal May 01 14:51:39 * XorA needs to find a way to stop anonymous users commenting on forums May 01 15:13:53 hmm, not sure the preview looks too hot, but here goes May 01 15:14:25 nope, need to do some fiddling May 01 15:17:57 Hmm, marginally better. Random line breaks though... May 01 15:20:19 Hmm, the input form doesn't ignore things like line-breaks, like html does. Is that right? May 01 15:20:58 lardman probably May 01 15:21:09 lardman: iirc you can set "input format" to "full html" to fix that May 01 15:21:24 koen: I think you are right May 01 15:21:31 ok, I didn't do that to begin with, but did second time though May 01 15:21:49 oh well, I'll have to do some more fiddling with it May 01 15:25:14 maybe you can persuade koen to install the wysiwyg editor May 01 15:25:28 there is a wysiwyg editor? May 01 15:26:14 koen: yes May 01 15:26:20 for drupal 5? May 01 15:26:25 koen: yes May 01 15:26:34 show me :) May 01 15:26:39 koen: its on the modules page as 5.X only anyway :-) May 01 15:27:57 XorA: widgeditor? May 01 15:28:03 koen: yeah May 01 15:28:09 that would be useful May 01 15:28:25 * XorA was trying to find it again in the mass of 1000 modules May 01 15:30:12 FCKeditor is available for 5.X as well May 01 15:30:21 XorA: widgedit added May 01 15:32:47 lardman: full html doesn't do linebreaks anymore now May 01 15:36:44 gah, Im obviously too stupid to use widgedit :-D May 01 15:37:59 koen: Ok, thanks May 01 15:39:18 more readable at least, I must remember that the line spacing under Heading1 isn't very large May 01 15:48:03 really odd, widgedit doesnt show up when I edit stuff May 01 15:50:57 anyway time for me to push off May 01 15:51:00 I didn't see it either - just went for full html May 01 15:52:45 ah well Ill test it on my install tomorrow night as well and see if it works there May 01 16:37:07 night May 01 16:49:02 polyonymous: Are you sure that bug 2179 isn't really a dupe of 2139? May 01 16:49:16 lemme see.. May 01 16:49:30 !oebug 2179 May 01 16:49:31 * * Bug 2179, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-04-30 15:33 May 01 16:49:32 * * polyonymous(AT)klever.net: angstrom x11 calibration off by pi/2 on borzoi problem May 01 16:49:33 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2179 May 01 16:49:35 !oebug 2139 May 01 16:49:36 * * Bug 2139, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-04-24 16:35 May 01 16:49:37 * * jerry(AT)weareburgess.net: Touchscreen Calibration off May 01 16:49:39 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2139 May 01 16:50:09 polyonymous: Don't you think it makes sense for you to get RW access to the OE repo? Are you interested? May 01 16:51:12 Laibsch, According to Koen's link, it is... It wasn't clear by the summary... May 01 16:51:36 BTW, I've seen a recent commit that seemingly fixes it, but I haven't pulled it yet May 01 16:52:35 Laibsch, As for RW access, I'm not sure yet, I'm going off in two weeks for two weeks, so I think it would make more sense to discuss it when I'm back. May 01 16:56:43 polyonymous: Please raise this issue yourself or ping me so I can shoot a mail. May 01 16:56:55 You are certainly more qualified for RW access than me. May 01 16:57:08 And it just makes sense with regards to workload May 01 16:57:20 * Laibsch being the selfish me May 01 16:57:46 Laibsch, Okay, we'll get back to it later - as I told you it doesn't make sense to event talk about it right away. May 01 16:57:52 And job offers are also accepted :) May 01 17:05:45 job offers? May 01 17:05:53 You want more work? May 01 17:05:56 We have LOTS May 01 17:06:00 :-D May 01 17:18:36 Laibsch, nah, I want to get paid a bit - I'm unemployed right now :) May 01 17:19:12 Other than that I have no problems - I have a lot to do here and in gentoo and all around the whole opensource community at times too :) May 01 17:46:40 polyonymous: I believe with the amount of your output your addition to OE cannot wait. May 01 17:46:57 Otherwise your stuff is at risk of never being committed which would be so sad May 01 17:47:44 To tell you the truth I'd be afraid of committing half of my patches, since I'm not always sure they wouldn't break other archs. What is the procedure of testing stuff like that here? May 01 17:48:31 Take a look at http://tinyurl.com/35ohvs which lists bugs who are often over a year old with patchs that oftentimes nobody even looked at yet May 01 17:48:39 and keep in mind that this is, I'd say, a peak output. I don't think I can sustain this amount for long. May 01 17:48:50 polyonymous: Discuss stuff on the ML when you are not sure. May 01 17:48:53 That is OK May 01 17:49:03 But it would be nice if you committed your own stuff May 01 17:49:06 ah, makes sense. May 01 17:49:14 OK, I will write a mail May 01 17:49:28 And just go easy first until you get the hang of it. May 01 17:49:35 Well, at the very best we may get back to it once I complete my images builds :) May 01 17:49:37 I don't know 10% of what you do May 01 17:50:08 well, I think you may be right. May 01 20:31:48 for what I can tell by commits I've seen the calibration bug is fixed. For what I can tell by the pulled tree, it's not :) May 01 20:35:34 then you're pulling it wrong May 01 20:36:07 koen, maybe. Can't imagine how can I do it wrong... May 01 20:36:56 alias oepull='mtn --db=${oedir}/OE.mtn pull monotone.openembedded.org org.openembedded.dev' ? May 01 20:38:24 polyonymous: dont forget mtn update May 01 20:38:33 if you see it as a commit, it's in the main db May 01 20:38:35 XorA|gone, of course I don't. May 01 20:38:56 koen, maybe it's not in head? May 01 20:38:59 since the cia script pulls from the main db May 01 20:39:08 polyonymous: 'head' is for cvs May 01 20:39:18 I think I've seen it in some rss feed, not cia May 01 20:39:45 koen, well, mtn also has heads, no? I need to spend some time on learning it, the closes I used a lot is git. May 01 20:41:48 I've seen commit here: http://oe.linuxtogo.org/viewmtn/branch.psp?branch=org.openembedded.dev&rss=1 I believe. May 01 20:43:38 that pulls from the main db May 01 20:43:47 hmm.. May 01 20:44:56 Well... I'll try to figure out this mtn thing then... May 01 20:49:33 mtn cat and mtn cat -r 53e01bb2b4e2632ae8ee8f97acb15267136337d6 give different results... May 01 21:34:56 koen, I need to update the unstable directory with some new stuff from an OSK build May 01 21:35:12 Crofton: sure, go ahead May 01 21:35:17 you're the OSK guru :) May 01 21:35:22 heh May 01 21:35:30 I just do not want to make a mess of things May 01 21:35:43 tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/omap5912osk/ May 01 21:35:52 replaces http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/machine/omap5912osk/ May 01 21:35:55 correct? May 01 21:36:16 sort off May 01 21:36:22 ah ha May 01 21:36:34 rsync it to ~/website/unstable/feeds/unsorted/ May 01 21:36:55 run the sort.sh script and then run the index.sh script in the armv5te dir May 01 21:38:06 ok May 01 21:38:15 what about the images? May 01 21:38:31 let me do ipks first May 01 21:38:34 http://rafb.net/p/hDAQ9s91.html May 01 21:38:50 What is the procedure to get a package into the official angstrom repos? May 01 21:39:59 Laibsch: http://rafb.net/p/hDAQ9s91.html May 01 21:41:20 bother www.linuxtogo.org asks for a passwd when I ssh May 01 21:42:41 May 1 23:50:57 h820116 sshd[510]: Invalid user balister May 01 21:42:51 note the 'angstrom@' in the paste above :) May 01 21:43:21 doh May 01 21:43:28 there you go :) May 01 21:43:46 serenity? after the speaceship? May 01 21:43:56 no, after the calm May 01 21:44:22 we needed quiet place after hh.org May 01 21:45:17 ah May 01 21:45:23 Well, go watch Serenity May 01 21:45:39 I want to watch firefly first May 01 21:45:47 the rsync, shoudl I only only rsync omap5912osk? May 01 21:45:53 that would be better May 01 21:46:15 omap5912osk should be safe May 01 21:46:46 ah May 01 21:46:46 * koen goes to bed now May 01 21:46:52 I missed the May 01 21:47:33 Thia business with everyone in .eu going to bed before I eat dinner must stop! May 01 22:07:45 hopefully the feeds still work :) May 01 22:14:44 Seems like I don't understand something about mtn... how is 'update' target selected? and what is relationship between the 'top-level' revisions in what viewmtn calls 'current head revision' of the branch? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 02 02:59:56 2007