**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 07 02:59:56 2007
May 07 09:03:54 <hrw> morning
May 07 09:14:55 <_law_> hi hrw 
May 07 09:16:23 <hrw> hi
May 07 09:24:03 <XorA> koen: NOTE: package firefox-2.0.0.3: completed
May 07 09:24:20 <koen> patching file mozilla/nsprpub/pr/src/misc/prdtoa.c
May 07 09:24:22 <koen> patching file mozilla/nsprpub/pr/include/md/_linux.h
May 07 09:24:23 <koen> :)
May 07 09:24:42 <koen> I guess that isn't needed anymore
May 07 09:24:51 * koen goes to refuel the car and file some expenses
May 07 09:24:54 <koen> later all
May 07 09:24:57 <XorA> yeah remove my patch to prdtoa
May 07 09:25:24 <koen> bleh, and we need to patch minimo and tbird as well..
May 07 09:25:24 <hrw> tell me does it works
May 07 09:25:39 <XorA> hrw: gimme 30 mins to do the install :-)
May 07 09:28:06 * hrw build 2.0.0.3 for Poky but did not tested it yet
May 07 09:30:20 <koen> hrw: without the patch from lennert it won't work
May 07 09:30:25 * koen really gone now
May 07 09:30:32 <hrw> I know
May 07 09:34:15 <XorA> ~lart ipkg
May 07 09:48:42 <XorA> DISPLAY=:0 firefox
May 07 09:48:43 <XorA> /usr/lib/firefox-2.0.0.3/firefox-bin: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/firefox-2.0.0.3/firefox-bin)
May 07 09:48:43 <XorA> /usr/lib/firefox-2.0.0.3/firefox-bin: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/firefox-2.0.0.3/firefox-bin)
May 07 09:48:43 <XorA> /usr/lib/firefox-2.0.0.3/firefox-bin: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/firefox-2.0.0.3/libxpcom_core.so)
May 07 09:48:44 <XorA> /usr/lib/firefox-2.0.0.3/firefox-bin: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/firefox-2.0.0.3/libxpcom_core.so)
May 07 09:48:47 <XorA> Type Manifest File: /home/dp/.mozilla/firefox/7tnvm3je.default/xpti.dat
May 07 09:48:49 <XorA> *** Registering Apprunner components (all right -- a generic module!)
May 07 09:48:51 <XorA> nsNativeComponentLoader: autoregistering begins.
May 07 09:48:53 <XorA> nsNativeComponentLoader: autoregistering succeeded
May 07 09:48:55 <XorA> nsNativeComponentLoader: registering deferred (0)
May 07 09:48:57 <XorA> pldhash: for the table at address 0x83930, the given entrySize of 44 probably favors chaining over double hashing.
May 07 09:49:00 <XorA> WARNING: NS_ENSURE_TRUE(NS_SUCCEEDED(rv)) failed, file nsChromeRegistry.cpp, line 1252
May 07 09:49:02 <XorA> Segmentation fault
May 07 09:49:04 <XorA> still no luck :-(
May 07 09:52:24 <Laibsc1> koen: The rsync command you suggested for uploading stuff to the official feeds requires a password.
May 07 09:54:03 <Laibsch> koen: Could we have the feedbrowser display the files inside a package as well?  Who wrote that script?
May 07 10:13:24 <hrw> Laibsch: koen started, I extended
May 07 10:17:46 <hrw> XorA: ;(
May 07 10:18:04 <hrw> XorA: 1.0.7 is last working now?
May 07 10:20:59 <XorA> hrw: Ill have to build 1.0.7 with that patch
May 07 10:21:17 <XorA> ~lart /lib/libgcc_s.so.1
May 07 10:21:57 <Laibsch> hrw: the script only looks at the Packages file right now?
May 07 10:22:03 <xjqian> Just want to make sure. What diff switch, do oe dev recommend? 
May 07 10:22:19 <Laibsch> The information about included files could be gotten with dpkg
May 07 10:22:27 <hrw> Laibsch: yes
May 07 10:22:35 <hrw> xjqian: diff -aurp
May 07 10:22:37 <Laibsch> xjqian: Just "mtn diff"
May 07 10:22:54 <xjqian> hrw: thanks
May 07 10:23:41 <xjqian> Laibsch: thanks, I got that part. I meant diff for the source code. any hrw got me the answer. thanks
May 07 10:25:26 <XorA> Cannot refresh patches with -p2 (ok quilt suddenly becomes crap :-(
May 07 10:32:39 <koen> XorA: could you commit the patch to firefox anyway?
May 07 10:32:54 <koen> it gets us a tiny bit further
May 07 10:33:34 <XorA> koen: Ill push at lunch
May 07 10:33:41 <koen> thanks
May 07 10:33:51 * koen just had an early lunch :)
May 07 10:35:25 * hrw wonder does linux has good mail client
May 07 10:35:52 <hrw> thunderbird has binaries in enigmail plugin so arch is important
May 07 10:36:06 <hrw> kmail has shitty openpgp support
May 07 10:38:45 <Laibsch> Is it possible yet (with either altboot or kexec) to boot a GUI on collie?  I believe altboot is not working for collie/2.6 and I have no clue yet on kexec usage.  But I would love to test out some GUI stuff on the collie
May 07 10:39:41 <XorA> hrw: mutt
May 07 10:40:25 <koen> Laibsch: recompile the kernel with root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 in CMDLINE_ROOT
May 07 10:41:51 <XorA> koen: and some rootfs delay as well
May 07 10:41:54 <hrw> XorA: I need offline imap support for few accounts, on machine filtering etc
May 07 10:42:05 <XorA> hrw: mutt+offlineimap
May 07 11:44:19 <Laibsch> koen: Where do I change that?
May 07 11:44:40 <Laibsch> koen: Nevermind, I think I found it.
May 07 11:45:17 <koen> and compile in the sd drivers
May 07 11:45:20 <koen> forgot to mention that
May 07 11:45:41 <Laibsch> Is it possible to specify that in local.conf or from the command line?  If possible I'd like not to disturb the official bb file.
May 07 11:45:50 <hrw> Laibsch: nope
May 07 11:45:53 <Laibsch> koen: I think the SD stuff is in by default now
May 07 11:46:01 <Laibsch> hrw: OK.  Too bad.
May 07 11:46:33 <hrw>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
May 07 11:46:33 <hrw> 13697 hrw       20   0 3490m 1.8g  664 R 56.9 86.8   4:06.84 xsltproc
May 07 11:46:55 <Laibsch> HOLY SHIT!
May 07 11:49:27 <hrw> svn2cl hurstts
May 07 11:50:08 <hrw> oom killed it
May 07 12:00:00 <XorA> svn2cl?
May 07 12:04:59 <hrw> yes
May 07 12:05:08 <koen> changelog generator
May 07 12:05:35 <hrw> the funny thing is that repo has two entries in log
May 07 12:05:40 <hrw> but nearly 30k files
May 07 12:15:31 <koen> Laibsch: the definitive list of requirements for opie is in the wiki now
May 07 12:15:47 <koen> Laibsch: the second point is basically changing 2 vars in OE and doing some tests
May 07 12:17:35 <XorA> koen: what about the bluez stuff
May 07 12:17:52 <koen> XorA: so opie doesn't have bluetooth
May 07 12:19:03 <koen> bluez 3.10 is near and is radically different from 3.9, so everything needs to get patched anyways
May 07 12:19:58 <XorA> oh bugger :-D
May 07 12:20:03 <koen> I like what the bluez dudes did, even if it causes some temporary pain in OE
May 07 12:20:14 <koen> e.g. proper headset and fixed-point SBC support
May 07 12:20:50 <XorA> although gpe-bluetooth hasnt worked ever anyway
May 07 12:21:05 <koen> I want to replace it with bluez-gnome
May 07 12:21:19 <koen> the bluez-gnome in cvs is pretty neat
May 07 12:21:24 <XorA> kde-bluetooth is very sweet
May 07 12:21:46 <koen> we only need to get an app to power on bluetooth on serial ports like gpe-bluetooth did/does
May 07 12:21:56 <koen> XorA: bluetooth in kde4 is awesome
May 07 12:22:10 <XorA> kde on Angstrom :-)
May 07 12:22:17 <XorA> then we get a decent browser as well
May 07 12:22:19 <koen> I'm all for it
May 07 12:22:44 <XorA> oi mickeyl hurry up with your leet Qt hackage :-D
May 07 12:23:07 <koen> everytime someone want to add kde to OE they change buildsystem :(
May 07 12:23:14 <XorA> maybe I should go to Akedemy as its just down the road
May 07 12:23:23 <koen> autofoo, patched autofoo, scons, cmake, etc
May 07 12:23:33 <koen> XorA: bring aspell
May 07 12:27:09 <XorA> koen: Kangstrom :-)
May 07 12:27:12 <hrw> koen: forgot waf?
May 07 12:27:42 <koen> hrw: right
May 07 12:27:45 <hrw> KÅngström sounds nice
May 07 12:27:51 <koen> anKstrom
May 07 12:27:59 <hrw> and then XÅngström
May 07 12:28:06 <koen> Kodoström
May 07 12:28:55 <hrw> Ångströmoko
May 07 12:28:59 <polyonymous> Does angstrom have anything to do with angst+rom? :)
May 07 12:29:40 <XorA> polyonymous: we are all emo
May 07 12:30:07 <polyonymous> XorA, that would explain a lot if I knew what "emo" is besides being fashionable buzzword :)
May 07 12:30:20 <XorA> polyonymous: teeny goth subculture
May 07 12:30:54 <XorA> oh my life is sooooo bad, mummy and daddy only have 2 million in the bank etc et
May 07 12:30:55 <XorA> c
May 07 12:31:03 <polyonymous> XorA, thought something along these lines. But I got totally confused when referred to the "shoes like emo wear". I didn't know they have uniform :)
May 07 12:31:07 <koen> life is cruel
May 07 12:31:24 <XorA> polyonymous: think New Rock boots :-)
May 07 12:31:26 <polyonymous> On the other hand, they always have some kind of uniformity.
May 07 12:31:31 <polyonymous> yeah
May 07 12:31:42 * XorA is now going into hiding
May 07 12:32:04 <Laibsch> ~seen gfeller
May 07 12:32:22 <koen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nRNYG_xM2U
May 07 12:35:42 <polyonymous> :)
May 07 12:35:54 <hrw> 14:35 hrw@home:packages$ mtn list unknown|wc 67      67    2565
May 07 12:35:59 <hrw> long list
May 07 12:37:42 <mr_nice> If I am able (didn't try it yet) to build an opie Image for SIMpad will I be allowed to upload it to angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/ ?
May 07 12:49:20 <koen> mr_nice: not untill the opie problems mentioned in the wiki are sorted
May 07 12:52:30 <mr_nice> koen: ok, thx
May 07 12:55:57 <Laibsch> koen: Any hint as to what those vars are and where to find them?
May 07 12:56:05 <Laibsch> It would help eliminate wasted time.
May 07 12:56:20 <XorA> Laibsch: grep /opt conf/distro/opie* ?
May 07 12:56:47 <Laibsch> OK, sounds like a plan
May 07 12:57:03 <koen> PALMTOPDIR iirc
May 07 12:57:07 <XorA> Laibsch: doesnt work though :-(
May 07 12:57:54 <XorA> export palmtopdir = "/opt/QtPalmtop"
May 07 12:57:54 <XorA> export palmqtdir = "/opt/QtPalmtop"
May 07 12:57:58 <XorA> in bitbake.conf
May 07 12:58:07 <koen> those ones
May 07 12:58:17 * XorA forgot bitbake.conf
May 07 12:58:20 <koen> I discussed it with psokolovsky_ and mickeyl a while ago
May 07 12:58:38 <koen> it's only in /opt for sharprom compat
May 07 12:59:07 <XorA> heh heh, first thing someone will try is running Opera on ANgstrom :-D
May 07 13:03:48 <koen> Opera is still not responding to my requests
May 07 13:12:11 <XorA> well at least opera for debian 5 will run
May 07 13:13:46 <step2back> hi all
May 07 13:14:30 <step2back> hm..... am i alone here?
May 07 13:15:08 <XorA> yes
May 07 13:15:55 <step2back> :)
May 07 13:16:38 <step2back> I have a problem. I bitbake/OE misconfigured , but  don't how to find where it was?
May 07 13:19:01 <psokolovsky_> step2back: err, I should you know: just follow http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted and you should get properly configured system
May 07 13:19:47 <step2back> hey, i went from there.
May 07 13:21:55 <psokolovsky_> step2back: go on, give us more info. and actually, better to do that on #oe ;-)
May 07 13:23:32 <step2back> <psokolovsky_>, I will meet you again on #oe
May 07 13:36:36 <Cyorxamp> Lo, I'm gonna try the collie rom built on the 5th - anyone tried it?
May 07 13:37:41 <koen> ROM?
May 07 13:37:50 <koen> we don't build ROMs
May 07 13:37:59 <Cyorxamp> the image then :D
May 07 13:37:59 <koen> ROM = Read Only Memory
May 07 13:38:11 <Cyorxamp> yes thank you for the definition I learn when I was 5
May 07 13:38:13 <koen> which is practically useless for 99.99% of the users
May 07 13:38:17 <XorA> ~lart freetype ../3rdparty/freetype/builds/unix/ftsystem.c:22:10: error: #include expects "FILENAME" or <FILENAME>
May 07 13:39:08 <Cyorxamp> koen: you tried it?
May 07 13:39:24 <koen> tried what?
May 07 13:39:44 <Cyorxamp> the collie image built on the 5th
May 07 13:40:00 <koen> how should I do that?
May 07 13:40:03 <koen> no collie here
May 07 13:40:30 <Cyorxamp> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/collie/20070505/
May 07 13:40:33 <Cyorxamp> THERE
May 07 13:41:00 <Cyorxamp> I ask a simple question to the channel and you turn it into an ordeal
May 07 13:41:08 <_law_> my 2 collies are @home in 2 hours i can test.....
May 07 13:41:33 <Cyorxamp> I'm about to try myself - hoping some of the bugs are worked out since oz
May 07 13:41:42 <_law_> are this normal images or altboot->SD images?
May 07 13:41:51 <koen> altboot is broken
May 07 13:42:00 <Cyorxamp> umm, well I want to put altboot on and then use SD
May 07 13:42:05 <XorA> the images are pretty useless as suspend patches arent in yet
May 07 13:42:14 <Cyorxamp> but I've already got altboot on, so I may try just to boot the image off the SD
May 07 13:43:10 * koen refrains from commenting
May 07 13:44:22 * hrw too
May 07 13:44:41 <Cyorxamp> theres no harm in trying!
May 07 13:48:33 <XorA> no kde for Angstrom then
May 07 13:49:04 <Cyorxamp> are the 'suspend patches' in anything?
May 07 13:50:38 <Laibsch> hrw: You should know by now ;-)
May 07 13:51:53 <hrw> one thing bad in nfs - it is easy to start copy from nfs to nfs instead of logging into nfs server and copy there
May 07 14:02:40 * koen brings http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/angstrom-distro-devel/2007-May/000243.html to peoples attention
May 07 14:06:01 <Cyorxamp> stable & testing
May 07 14:09:39 <hrw> Laibsch: so you became collie maintainer now?
May 07 14:11:35 <Laibsch> looks like it ;-)
May 07 14:12:13 <Cyorxamp> is the ext2 file that gets renamed to .bin so I can boot it off altboot?
May 07 14:12:51 <hrw> Laibsch: cool. finally I can care less about it ;D
May 07 14:14:24 <mr_nice> koen: "Write installation docs and put them on the website." Is it ok to link to " http://opensimpad.org/index.php/Linux#Put_Linux_on_your_SIMpad" and extend it for angstrom?
May 07 14:15:10 <koen> mr_nice: I'd rather have it on the angstrom website, instead of in a wiki
May 07 14:16:44 <mr_nice> koen: hm, whats wrong with a wiki?
May 07 14:17:04 <Laibsch> hrw: It will certainly come back to haunt you ;-)
May 07 14:17:41 <koen> mr_nice: an install document doesn't change for a given release, so why put it in a wiki?
May 07 14:17:49 <Laibsch> hrw: But I will try to make sure only the difficult stuff gets to you (and I mean that in a positive sense).  I hope I can iron out the easy stuff before it hits you and consumes your time.
May 07 14:18:11 <Laibsch> hrw: But don't just abandon the collie quite yet.  It really is still an awesome machine.
May 07 14:18:41 * Cyorxamp flashes angstrom
May 07 14:19:55 <hrw> koen, mr_nice: first put it in wiki. let people test and extend. final version to website
May 07 14:20:01 * hrw back to replying
May 07 14:20:03 <koen> right
May 07 14:20:55 <mr_nice> koen: It is even the same between differernt distributions. Would be nice to have all the simpad stuff on one place. But if you prefere it I will put it on the webpage
May 07 14:21:18 <koen> well, all angstrom stuff should be in one place :)
May 07 14:22:19 <mr_nice> koen: it is also nice If people are able to extend the discriptions. but this is a question ob belefe
May 07 14:22:33 <koen> see what hrw said
May 07 14:25:38 <hrw> sent
May 07 14:25:42 <mr_nice> hm, ok
May 07 14:26:07 <Cyorxamp> this collie image, _really_ doesn't work does it ? lmao
May 07 14:27:49 <Cyorxamp> ah I had OSPACK on the, but called NO_OSPACK - I'll try without
May 07 14:29:12 <Laibsch> Some people just don't get it after numerous attempts.
May 07 14:29:18 * Laibsch shakes head
May 07 14:29:29 <Cyorxamp> ?
May 07 14:30:31 <Cyorxamp> nope, wasnt that - tis still giving a kernel panic
May 07 14:31:46 <Cyorxamp> shouldnt it at least boot if I use the initrd.bin and zImage from the collie directory?
May 07 14:32:16 <Cyorxamp> Why compile and keep them there at all if they mega don't work
May 07 14:32:46 <XorA> Cyorxamp: it should boot yes
May 07 14:32:48 <koen> to annoy people like you
May 07 14:32:53 <Cyorxamp> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/collie/20070505/
May 07 14:33:02 <Cyorxamp> well I used initrd.bin and zImage from that dir
May 07 14:33:13 <Cyorxamp> but theres a second zImage with a longer name - I could try that one
May 07 14:33:15 <mr_nice> Laibsch: can you tell me the actual status of 2.6 collie sound? I ask because the SIMpad uses the same chip and I may be able to use the same code as for collie.
May 07 14:33:40 <psokolovsky_> Cyorxamp: don't you want to get knee-deep in that a bit, and build kernel yourself? that would answer few questions of yours
May 07 14:33:53 <Laibsch> XorA: Thank you for the comment.  Much better, indeed.
May 07 14:34:01 <Cyorxamp> umm... no I don't want to build it - I want to use my PDA :S
May 07 14:34:49 * psokolovsky_ agrees that some people just don't want to listen to *anything* ;-)
May 07 14:34:53 <hrw> mr_nice: no sound yet
May 07 14:35:02 <koen> some people just want to complain instead of helping
May 07 14:35:03 <hrw> psokolovsky_: like Cyorxamp?
May 07 14:35:12 <psokolovsky_> apparently ;-)
May 07 14:35:20 <mr_nice> hrw: thx
May 07 14:35:22 <Cyorxamp> I'm not complaining - but it is a little odd its not booting _at all_
May 07 14:35:34 <Cyorxamp> Why on earth are you all so hostile about it
May 07 14:35:59 <Laibsch> Cyorxamp: Maybe because of the way you behaved in the past?
May 07 14:36:09 <Cyorxamp> enlighten me
May 07 14:36:12 <Laibsch> Cyorxamp: Maybe because you ignore answers alreadygiven?
May 07 14:36:17 <Cyorxamp> I don't!
May 07 14:36:25 <Laibsch> Even if they were given to you a few days ago
May 07 14:36:32 <Laibsch> Cyorxamp: Then read your IRC logs.
May 07 14:36:35 <Laibsch> All in there.
May 07 14:36:41 <Cyorxamp> A few days ago I was told I could try it, but it is still in testing
May 07 14:36:51 <Cyorxamp> Infact the mailing list said it would be nice to have anoter tester
May 07 14:36:54 <Cyorxamp> So here I am... testing!
May 07 14:36:55 <psokolovsky_> Cyorxamp: you tell that you wnat to *use* it, and you've been told it's *not ready* for use yet.
May 07 14:37:07 <psokolovsky_> ok then
May 07 14:37:18 <Cyorxamp> Look, I'm all for trying this out, and properly reporting bugs etc - but theres not much I can do if it doesn't boot at all
May 07 14:37:38 <Cyorxamp> and I only _mention_ (not complain) it doesn't boot to see why anyone can help in getting it to boot
May 07 14:37:55 <Cyorxamp> maybe this other zImage file was the one I was meant to use?  does anyone know which is the better one?
May 07 14:38:12 <psokolovsky_> it boots for people, so likely it's user error. sorry, I personally can't help - no collie here
May 07 14:38:31 <hrw> Cyorxamp: 0422 is working
May 07 14:38:40 <hrw> Cyorxamp: 0505 maybe is not
May 07 14:38:42 <Cyorxamp> well it can't really be user error, its just a CF card, and C+D+Reset - bomp! work or not work
May 07 14:38:57 * Laibsch hopeless case
May 07 14:39:02 <Cyorxamp> hrw: Right gotcha
May 07 14:39:08 * Laibsch  thinks this is a hopeless case
May 07 14:39:15 <Cyorxamp> do you know why theres 2 zImage files in the 0505 dir tho?
May 07 14:39:32 <Cyorxamp> Laibsch: you said that one already, twice already
May 07 14:41:09 * Cyorxamp tries the other mysterious zImage file anyways
May 07 14:42:49 <hvontres|poodle> Cyorxamp: IIRC, the shorter filename is just a symlink to the longer one...
May 07 14:43:08 <Cyorxamp> ah lol, then its likely this will have the same result
May 07 14:43:17 <mr_nice> koen: Do I also need to add the bootloader stuff (it is neccessary to change it to boot linux) to angstrom webpage or can I link this part to opensimpad.org?
May 07 14:43:28 <Cyorxamp> yup lol
May 07 14:43:38 <koen> mr_nice: please add it to the angstrom page
May 07 14:43:56 <Cyorxamp> ok I'll try 0422
May 07 14:44:16 <Cyorxamp> which has no initrd.bin - humph :S
May 07 14:46:54 <psokolovsky_> mr_nice: yes, add, with the notice, that this adhoc bootloader mess is temporary, and Angstrom has aim to create single (or few) generic bootloader ;-)
May 07 14:49:44 <Cyorxamp> did anyone inparticular build 0505 that knows why maybe it won't boot?
May 07 14:49:58 <Cyorxamp> because I've no idea how to make initrd.bin files for the older sources
May 07 14:50:18 <mr_nice> psokolovsky_: Well I don't know if the SIMpad will ever have this loader. Do you have a link of it?
May 07 14:50:25 <XorA> Cyorxamp: if you are not a devleoper then Angstrom collie is just going to be a world of pain
May 07 14:50:55 <Cyorxamp> XorA: well I have been running OpenZaurus / Hentges for the last 8 months and loved it - barring a few minor bugs
May 07 14:51:14 <psokolovsky_> mr_nice: nevermind, that's mostly a far-flung thoughts for now ;-)
May 07 14:51:24 <XorA> Cyorxamp: Angstrom collie will give you a totally useless machine at the moment, beleive me, I have a collie
May 07 14:51:30 <Cyorxamp> And I am a developer, just not really got into C yet, I mainly deal with Java - so it's not like I'm unwilling to learn
May 07 14:52:03 * XorA hears the word java screams and runs around in circles go lalalalalalalalalala
May 07 14:52:18 <Cyorxamp> Java is niiiice :P
May 07 14:52:34 <XorA> spend 4 years maintaining a JavaVM and see if you still think its nice
May 07 14:53:08 <Cyorxamp> Any anyways all I am saying is I'm not exactly new to coding and compiling - just been pre-occupied with other languages so much I've kinda ignored C and anything related :S
May 07 14:53:40 <Cyorxamp> Which I shouldn't lol - I've got GTK+ books and C++ / C books starring at me _really_ pisses off because I've not looked at them in months
May 07 14:53:47 <Cyorxamp> *pissed
May 07 14:53:54 <Cyorxamp> My books have emotions
May 07 14:55:00 <hrw> Java... do not tell it when meet me in person. And do not even add that you like it.
May 07 14:55:24 <Cyorxamp> So if you must, give me a schedule/task-list of things to do... to get me on whatever level you would describe a 'developer' 
May 07 14:55:30 <psokolovsky_> hrw apparently prefers C# ;-D
May 07 14:55:39 * Cyorxamp can't stand C#
May 07 14:55:40 <XorA> Cyorxamp: compete GettingStarted on www.openembedded.org
May 07 14:55:44 <XorA> complete
May 07 14:55:54 <Cyorxamp> ok
May 07 14:56:29 <Cyorxamp> and after that I'll know what the hell I'm doing?
May 07 14:56:55 * Cyorxamp boots his debian machine
May 07 14:57:31 <Laibsch> Cyorxamp: You never know.  Miracles *do* happen ;-)
May 07 14:57:37 <Cyorxamp> shh!
May 07 14:59:00 <Cyorxamp> do I need to follow this guide with any kind of OpenZaurus / Angstrom slant to it?
May 07 15:00:11 <hvontres|poodle> Cyorxamp: Just remember to #include <sarcasm.h> and #include <humor.h> when hanging around here :)
May 07 15:00:15 <XorA> DISTRO = "angstrom-2007.1"
May 07 15:00:35 <XorA> MACHINE = "collie"
May 07 15:00:58 * koen mentions 'oabi'
May 07 15:01:08 * Cyorxamp mounts /dev/laibsch on /mnt/toilet
May 07 15:01:18 <Cyorxamp> Whats that smell?
May 07 15:01:27 <XorA> koen: ooops
May 07 15:01:50 <XorA> DISTRO = "angstrom-2007.1-oabi"
May 07 15:01:54 <hrw> sometimes I want to have more power like it was in old ircnet days
May 07 15:02:35 <hrw> those /msg channelbot .kick NICK get lost sucker
May 07 15:02:51 * Cyorxamp gives hrw the power
May 07 15:03:12 <XorA> hrw: thats so lame, what about efnet where you grabbed a server split, opped yourself then booted people on the join
May 07 15:03:32 <hrw> XorA: thats too
May 07 15:03:57 <hrw> XorA: but it is hard to fight with 200+ bots networks ;D
May 07 15:05:13 <Cyorxamp> Aww you don't want the power?
May 07 15:06:03 <hrw> mount Cyorxamp.local:/dev/head /srv/saw
May 07 15:07:00 <Cyorxamp> o_O srv! is that in the FHS?
May 07 15:07:26 <Cyorxamp> oh yeah :D
May 07 15:08:26 <Cyorxamp> well if you don't want the power others can :D   http://www.cyorxamp.info/Snap_-_The_Power.mp3
May 07 15:09:00 <XorA> hrw: I wonder why no-one has though to issue the format c: command on all bothnets
May 07 15:09:05 <XorA> hrw: solves the problem forever
May 07 15:11:09 <hrw> XorA: that was eggdrop/void net - unix machines
May 07 15:23:06 <Laibsch> Is it safe to assume from the path of http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian-lzma/pool/main/p/plucker/ that plucker can be had with lzma support as well?  Is lzma generally the best read-only compressor in FOSS?
May 07 15:23:59 <mr_nice> what is mediawikis <pre> in moinmoin wiki?
May 07 15:27:06 <hrw> Laibsch: one of best ones
May 07 15:28:08 <XorA> koen: I have no akita
May 07 15:29:17 <Cyorxamp> well this is going well so far.... just grabbing the tools I'll need
May 07 15:29:43 <koen> XorA: I had a brain freeze, sorry, fixed now
May 07 15:36:05 <Laibsch> hrw: Any other good ones?  Are they more widespread?
May 07 15:36:17 <hrw> Laibsch: bzip2?
May 07 15:38:34 <XorA> koen: my wife kill me if any more Zauruses appear
May 07 15:39:07 <Laibsch> XorA: Hide them better, then ;-)
May 07 15:42:25 <Cyorxamp> tis alot of stuff needed to built - phew
May 07 15:43:29 <hvontres|poodle> XorA: I can always offer asylum for persecuted Zaurusees :)
May 07 15:48:15 <Cyorxamp> did the original Sharp image ever have a repo / 'package image' to go with it? (officially or unofficially) ?
May 07 15:48:27 <hrw> Cyorxamp: no
May 07 15:49:00 <Cyorxamp> tis odd how theres the feature, sharp could have done well there
May 07 15:55:08 <hrw> http://flickr.com/photos/hrwandil/488398840/
May 07 16:21:54 <koen> ok, all zaurus kernel from the last week boot from SD
May 07 16:24:00 <Cyorxamp> ok now downloading OE
May 07 16:31:05 <hvontres|poodle> koen: What exactly do you mean by "boot from SD" ? Do they assume / is ext2 at /dev/mmcblk0p1 or is this something else?
May 07 16:31:40 <koen> they assume / is at /dev/mmcblk0p1 (any builtin fs will do)
May 07 16:31:57 <hvontres|poodle> koen: cool...just like my kernels...:)
May 07 16:32:03 <koen> :)
May 07 16:33:43 <hvontres|poodle> koen: btw, the next time you do a build, could you send me the logs from your kenel and console-image builds for poodle? I am still tying to track down why my module deps are borked on my builds.
May 07 16:53:49 <Cyorxamp> ok I've checked OE out via monotone
May 07 16:54:21 <Cyorxamp> Xora mentioned.... MACHINE="collie"    --and--   DISTRO = "angstrom-2007.1-oabi"
May 07 16:54:29 <Cyorxamp> where abouts do these actually go?
May 07 16:56:44 <hvontres|poodle> Cyorxamp: local.conf
May 07 16:56:58 <Cyorxamp> can I ignore dreambox?
May 07 16:57:02 <hrw> yes
May 07 16:59:11 <Cyorxamp> is there a specific BBFILES I need as well?
May 07 17:00:15 <psokolovsky_> hrw, koen: there should be machine mentors wiki page, right?
May 07 17:01:51 <Cyorxamp> you see I have a choice of OZ brance or Dev branch 
May 07 17:04:51 <koen> psokolovsky_: I couldn't find it anymore
May 07 17:05:06 <Laibsch> koen: What is it IYO that grows the size of the Japanese wikipedia from 750MB to about 2G?  The large number of small files?  Maybe one large sql file might fare better size-wise?
May 07 17:05:18 <hrw> koen: it was in hh.org wiki
May 07 17:05:28 <hrw> Cyorxamp: you want .dev
May 07 17:05:39 <Cyorxamp> and bbfiles?
May 07 17:05:48 <hrw> Cyorxamp: read local.conf.sample
May 07 17:05:50 <psokolovsky_> koen: it was in hh.org wiki, and wasn't migrated, AFAICT. and later it was killed from hh. So, I recreate it, as staging area for site's official list.
May 07 17:10:52 <koen> can't you link to the proper page?
May 07 17:11:12 <koen> people not knowing how to post to a mailinglist aren't going to the mentors anyway
May 07 17:14:49 <psokolovsky_> koen: hmm. if you want it to be handled via ML, then ok. I'd rather thought that ML posting can be a mess.
May 07 17:15:24 <koen> easier to search than wiki history
May 07 17:16:33 <koen> I don't think we'll get >20 mentors
May 07 17:17:28 <koen> btw, there's a patch for strongarm EABI on the debian-arm ml
May 07 17:18:19 <hrw> o...
May 07 17:18:41 <koen> I am still unconvinced it is worth it
May 07 17:19:32 <koen> it adds at least 2 extra instructions every function return
May 07 17:20:03 <psokolovsky_> koen: well, we can have eabi4l ;-)
May 07 17:20:45 <hrw> koen: http://lists.debian.org/debian-arm/2007/05/msg00015.html one?
May 07 17:21:15 <koen> yes
May 07 17:22:23 <hrw> _armv4t _armv4?
May 07 17:22:52 <koen> we could just said that _arm = armv4
May 07 17:22:59 <koen> but _armv4 would be cleaner
May 07 17:23:48 <mr_nice> hrw: may I ask you about integrating the 2.6.21 simpad kernel into oe (2247)? Or do you know in which timezone RP lives?
May 07 17:24:02 <hrw> mr_nice: ok, will do
May 07 17:24:17 <mr_nice> hrw: thx :)
May 07 17:25:02 <hrw> mr_nice: want to keep 2.6.20?
May 07 17:25:14 <mr_nice> hrw: would be good to drop it
May 07 17:25:20 <hrw> ok
May 07 17:25:40 <mr_nice> hrw: than you can also delete the prevered_version variable I added in simpad-2.6.conf
May 07 17:26:02 <hrw> dropped simpad/progear from 2.6.20
May 07 17:26:06 <hrw> will add 2.6.21
May 07 17:26:27 <mr_nice> hrw: fine, thx
May 07 17:29:18 <koen> hvontres|poodle: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/poodle-logs.tar.bz2
May 07 17:57:36 <Laibsch> what is the difference between machine mentor and tester?
May 07 17:58:28 <Cyorxamp> Do I just umm.... bitbake gpe-image  at the end?
May 07 17:58:43 <hrw> mentor has to collect bugs/fixes and integrate them
May 07 17:59:25 <Laibsch> hrw: Would I qualify as mentor?  I'd certainly want to do more than testing but of course there will be things I cannot fix.
May 07 18:00:15 * Cyorxamp bakes
May 07 18:00:21 <koen> "willing and able to commit fixes" I guess
May 07 18:00:23 <Cyorxamp> Gas Mark 5
May 07 18:01:16 <hrw> Laibsch: you qualify
May 07 18:01:55 <hrw> Laibsch: Cyorxamp qualify as tester so you are mentor because you really know what you do
May 07 18:02:00 <Laibsch> koen: spitz and collie for me, then, please ;-) as mentor
May 07 18:02:21 <Cyorxamp> hrw - I'm 50% baked :) does that make me 50% tester?
May 07 18:03:11 <Cyorxamp> will this -thing- that bitbake is making/doing - be the initrd.bin ?
May 07 18:03:48 <hrw> Cyorxamp: yes
May 07 18:03:53 <Cyorxamp> NEAT!
May 07 18:03:58 <hrw> and you will get partial feed
May 07 18:04:04 <Cyorxamp> but umm... I don't get how this is 'Angstrom'
May 07 18:04:12 <Cyorxamp> since theres only one word mentioning it
May 07 18:04:44 <hvontres|poodle> koen: Thanks :)
May 07 18:05:48 <Cyorxamp> ah no! its connecting to things at anstrom-distribution.org
May 07 18:05:55 <Cyorxamp> yey! :)
May 07 18:06:11 <hrw> cu
May 07 18:06:36 <Cyorxamp> you know if this doesn't boot - I'll laugh :D
May 07 18:07:34 <Cyorxamp> hmm tis stuck on 49% wgetting autoconf
May 07 18:08:31 <Cyorxamp> issue with the GNU FTP server?
May 07 18:11:06 <Cyorxamp> anyone got ideas what I should do in this circumstance?
May 07 18:11:45 <Cyorxamp> tis stuck at 49% wget'ing that 'autoconf' showing no speed '-- --- kbps'
May 07 18:11:52 <Cyorxamp> Cntrl+C and run the command again ?
May 07 18:18:14 <hrw|gone> let someone add login link to website...
May 07 18:18:31 <Cyorxamp> ok this is stupid - i ran it again
May 07 18:18:37 <Cyorxamp> now its stuck on automake - at 87%
May 07 18:29:03 <Cyorxamp> i restarted it again, and now its hung on 'Connecting to www.freedesktop.org' grrR!
May 07 18:33:02 <Laibsch> koen: So how do I get packages to upload into the official repo?
May 07 18:34:22 <Cyorxamp> you attach them with string to the back of a donkey and send a carrot in the mail to the server
May 07 18:39:46 <Cyorxamp> Laibsch / hrw - I wanna run 'bitbake gpe-image' from the start, what do I need to do/delete to get it to forget where it is currently at?
May 07 18:50:35 <Cyorxamp> Is there anyone here who _isn't_ dead or dying!?
May 07 18:51:39 <Cyorxamp> come on! I'm really sick of hentges freezing and shit - I really want to build this BUT I NEED YOUR HELP
May 07 18:56:44 <polyonymous> Cyorxamp, calm down. And to answer your last question - you need to delete tmp directory.
May 07 18:57:07 <Cyorxamp> any ideas why the gnu ftp froze twice?
May 07 18:57:47 * Cyorxamp rebakes
May 07 19:12:26 <Cyorxamp> brb
May 07 19:24:56 <summatusmentis> if I want to build an image for my 3200, do I need the gpe-image or the pivotboot-image?
May 07 19:25:58 <Laibsch> summatusmentis: I would assume the pivotboot-image (which I have not used myself) gives you a bare image for flash that you can use to boot off other media.
May 07 19:26:11 <Laibsch> So either gpe-image or opie-image is probably what you want.
May 07 19:26:45 <summatusmentis> Laibsch: ok, I wasn't sure, because of "Build image that is necessary to flash a Sharp SL C3000, Zaurus. It pivots after booting from the NAND and finalizes the install to the HD during the first boot."
May 07 19:26:55 <summatusmentis> that's from the pivotboot-description
May 07 19:27:02 <Cyorxamp> Laibsch: can I do a pivotboot-image and put that on, using its altboot to boot the gpe-image that I'm currently making?
May 07 19:27:35 <hvontres|poodle> summatusmentis: gpe-image -> Angstrom-x11-image
May 07 19:29:30 <Laibsch> summatusmentis: Just try.  But be prepared to reflash a couple of times.
May 07 19:30:14 <Laibsch> summatusmentis: This is still work-in-progress.  Although the X11 images for the clamshell models are probably usable.
May 07 19:30:18 <hvontres|poodle> Cyorxamp: koen mentinoed earier, that the kernels in the current images (050507) are setup to boot the rootfs from the first partition on the sd card (/dev/mmcblk0p1). I am guessing the kernel panic you were seeing is the kernel not being able to find /
May 07 19:30:43 <Laibsch> hvontres|poodle: That is a different issue.
May 07 19:30:54 <Laibsch> hvontres|poodle: You have some time for a private chat?
May 07 19:31:00 <Cyorxamp> hvontres|poodle: I don't mind a ext3 formatted SD card and boot from that
May 07 19:31:19 <hvontres|poodle> Laibsch: sure
May 07 19:31:24 <Cyorxamp> However in building this (it's yet again hung) this time on 3% w'getting binutls
May 07 19:31:33 <Cyorxamp> from kernel.org
May 07 19:33:30 <Cyorxamp> o_O I think its getting from another mirror, I ctrl+c'ed it
May 07 19:34:16 <hvontres|poodle> Laibsch: I need to go get some food, back in ~30 miniutes
May 07 19:34:28 <Laibsch> OK
May 07 19:37:08 <summatusmentis> hvontres|poodle: so not gpe-image, 'bitbake Angstrom-x11-image' instead?
May 07 19:37:22 <Laibsch> with small a
May 07 19:37:34 <summatusmentis> Laibsch: It may be that I'm following an outdate page on OE, so sorry for the confusion
May 07 19:37:55 <Cyorxamp> Laibsch:  I'm running 'bitbake gpe-image' for collie - is that right?
May 07 19:37:55 <Laibsch> Well, these are usually valid images.  They just contain different stuff.
May 07 19:38:25 <Laibsch> And package XY that is both in image AB and BC will not have to be rebuilt.
May 07 19:38:38 <summatusmentis> Laibsch: yeah, alright, I'll try angstrom-x11-image and see how that goes
May 07 19:38:42 <summatusmentis> thanks for the help everyone
May 07 19:38:44 <Laibsch> So once you have done the brunt of compilation work you can quickly hop around.
May 07 19:39:23 <summatusmentis> also, on a side note, is there a functioning opie image? I'm looking to get x/qt working for opie, so....
May 07 19:40:16 <hrw> re
May 07 19:40:46 <Laibsch> wb
May 07 19:41:27 <hrw> Cyorxamp: do as a favour: "bitbake -cfetchall angstrom-x11-image ;bitbake angstrom-x11-image" and go back when it will finish first step not before
May 07 19:41:45 <Laibsch> summatusmentis: Well, you are lucky.  There should be one after polyonymous and psokolovsky_ spent the last couple of days on it.  There is an opie meta bug in the tracker if you come across any problems
May 07 19:42:06 <Cyorxamp> hrw: howcome? is gpe-image wrong?
May 07 19:42:06 <summatusmentis> Laibsch: very cool
May 07 19:42:15 <Cyorxamp> and should I delete /tmp/ before I run that?
May 07 19:42:44 <summatusmentis> Laibsch: I'll look into altbooting an opie image to get x/qt working
May 07 19:42:45 <hrw> Cyorxamp: not wrong, just unsupported by us
May 07 19:42:47 <Cyorxamp> its still baking gpe-image at the moment, is just completed binutilscross
May 07 19:42:55 <Cyorxamp> *it
May 07 19:43:06 <Cyorxamp> ah ok... so delete /tmp/ first?
May 07 19:43:16 <hrw> no need
May 07 19:43:19 <Cyorxamp> ok
May 07 19:43:26 <Laibsch> summatusmentis: I believe altboot does not work.  Check the bug tracker.
May 07 19:43:45 <summatusmentis> Laibsch: oh... alright... hrm
May 07 19:44:26 <Cyorxamp> hrw: run them as two seperate commands or use your comma?
May 07 19:44:40 <Cyorxamp> I thought it was && to run two commands sequentially
May 07 19:45:22 <hrw> second
May 07 19:45:35 <Cyorxamp> as in wait a second?
May 07 19:46:08 <summatusmentis> Cyorxamp: I think as in 'the second option'
May 07 19:46:21 <Cyorxamp> he hasn't presented two options
May 07 19:46:33 <hrw> 07 21:53 < Cyorxamp> hrw: run them as two seperate commands or use your comma?
May 07 19:46:45 <hrw> "first or second"
May 07 19:46:46 <Cyorxamp> right lol
May 07 19:47:21 <Cyorxamp> I take it the first just downloads... the second compiles?
May 07 19:47:57 <hrw> yes
May 07 19:48:33 <Cyorxamp> out of interest, is there an initiative to port xfce? :D
May 07 19:48:57 <hrw> xfce is in OE
May 07 19:49:03 <Cyorxamp> o_O
May 07 19:49:15 <Cyorxamp> but unsupported by Angstrom?
May 07 19:49:21 <hrw> 4.2 and I will add 4.4 when find time to finish it (as I have 4.3.99 now)
May 07 19:49:35 <hrw> Cyorxamp: not tested so not supported
May 07 19:49:35 <Cyorxamp> neat
May 07 19:49:46 <summatusmentis> Cyorxamp: as of yet, my understanding is that nothing is 'supported' as of yet
May 07 19:49:46 <Cyorxamp> so eventually would I just.... ipkg install xfce   ?
May 07 19:49:54 <summatusmentis> - the second as of yet :-D
May 07 19:51:13 <summatusmentis> Cyorxamp: probably a more than just the xfce package, but essentially
May 07 19:51:21 <hrw> task-xfce-base
May 07 19:51:23 <summatusmentis> after you get it built
May 07 19:51:26 <Cyorxamp> main reason I'm doing this is cuz the suspend never worked on hentges, ipkg always had issues getting stuff (even simple stuff like fbvnc)
May 07 19:51:43 <Cyorxamp> but mainly... because (in the last few days) Opie would freeze as soon as it loaded up
May 07 19:51:52 <Cyorxamp> before opie starts, keyboard/screen taps work
May 07 19:52:01 <Cyorxamp> so I thought 're-flash' time :D
May 07 19:52:54 <Laibsch> XorA: I'd appreciate if you left your tester-only position at least for spitz.  But no matter what you do, I'll bug you about things I cannot fix anyway.
May 07 19:52:58 <Laibsch> :-D
May 07 19:55:26 <Cyorxamp> hrw: tis compiling now I think
May 07 19:55:41 <Cyorxamp> doing alot of 'starting' and 'configging' and 'unpacking'
May 07 19:56:50 <hrw> Cyorxamp: basically you can just leave it working.
May 07 19:57:14 <Cyorxamp> i know but every now and then it tries to get a file and I'll have to Ctrl+C it to force it onto another mirror
May 07 19:57:19 <Cyorxamp> it's doing my head in
May 07 19:58:39 <summatusmentis> why force to another mirror?
May 07 19:58:58 <Cyorxamp> because the first would unexpectedly freeze half way through downloading
May 07 19:59:13 <summatusmentis> what's the expected compile time for angstrom-x11-image?
May 07 19:59:26 <summatusmentis> obviously it's dependant on CPU, but roughly?
May 07 20:00:39 <hvontres|poodle> Laibsch: re
May 07 20:01:45 <hrw> Cyorxamp: gnu mirror? it can be selected to mirror in conf/local.conf
May 07 20:03:38 <koen> there, fixed zauruskernels uploaded
May 07 20:04:35 <hrw> thx
May 07 20:14:48 <Cyorxamp> hrw: what do I change the mirror to?
May 07 20:15:10 <Cyorxamp> whenever it downloads from angstrom-distribution.org.uk theres no problems
May 07 20:16:25 <hrw> Cyorxamp: check GNU_MIRROR DEBIAN_MIRROR vars in bitbake.conf and set them proper way in conf/local.conf
May 07 20:16:48 <Cyorxamp> the proper way being?
May 07 20:17:00 <Cyorxamp> I only have the OE guide to follow here, I feel like I'm missing loads
May 07 20:17:35 <koen> read the OE user-manual?
May 07 20:17:54 <Cyorxamp> OE makes no reference to angstrom
May 07 20:18:29 <Laibsch> hvontres|poodle: wb.  Got my message?
May 07 20:18:31 <infinito> hello
May 07 20:18:44 <infinito> i'm new here... im interested on this project...
May 07 20:18:52 <infinito> is it functional right now?
May 07 20:19:05 * Cyorxamp laughs
May 07 20:19:05 <infinito> i mean, at least like familiar?
May 07 20:19:16 <Laibsch> infinito: To a certain extent.
May 07 20:19:22 <Laibsch> Depends on your device.
May 07 20:19:29 <infinito> an ipaq h5450
May 07 20:19:51 <Laibsch> I am not familiar with familiar nor the ipaqs
May 07 20:20:03 <Laibsch> But there are some people who own such a device.
May 07 20:20:22 <Laibsch> psokolovsky_: What is your take on this?
May 07 20:20:32 <infinito> this uses kernel 2.6 doesnt it?
May 07 20:20:38 <psokolovsky_> yep
May 07 20:20:38 <Laibsch> infinito: Are you a regular Linux user?
May 07 20:20:42 <Laibsch> yes, 2.6
May 07 20:20:43 <infinito> yeps
May 07 20:21:12 <hvontres|poodle> Laibsch: nope...
May 07 20:21:16 <Laibsch> infinito: so you are not afraid of the command line?
May 07 20:21:41 <infinito> nope
May 07 20:21:52 <psokolovsky_> infinito: see http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpIpaqH5000 for status
May 07 20:21:53 <Laibsch> OK, then this is probably usable for you
May 07 20:22:17 * koen tries to remember the chanserv password
May 07 20:23:43 <hrw> cu
May 07 20:24:06 <infinito> has it any X server?
May 07 20:24:30 <infinito> maybe it sounds weird, but we're developing some java apps for pdas using linux...
May 07 20:24:36 <Laibsch> GPE is X
May 07 20:24:39 <infinito> java awt/swing apps
May 07 20:24:51 <Laibsch> Not sure about JAva support in OE.
May 07 20:25:10 <infinito> Familiar has classpath support...
May 07 20:25:12 <Laibsch> But if you have some expertise and are not afraid of compilation it would be great if you contributed back
May 07 20:25:31 <Laibsch> angstrom uses OE to compile.  OE is fairly easy to use.
May 07 20:25:38 <Cyorxamp> that is of course if you can ever download the bloody thing
May 07 20:26:10 <Laibsch> well, you need to have paid the bill for a decent Internet connection usually, so much is true.
May 07 20:26:18 <Cyorxamp> my net connection is fine
May 07 20:26:45 <Cyorxamp> these ftp servers are absolute shite
May 07 20:27:26 <Cyorxamp> poppler.freedesktop.org for example
May 07 20:27:34 <Cyorxamp> doesn't even connect!
May 07 20:27:34 <koen> Laibsch: familiar is using an old snapshot of OE as fork, so angstrom supports the same (and more!)
May 07 20:27:55 <Laibsch> infinito: I am sure you will be glad to hear that
May 07 20:28:22 <infinito> the kernel is only 2.6? or does it have 2.4?
May 07 20:28:51 <Laibsch> infinito: There is always room for improvement, though.  So if Java is your thing, I reiterate my invitation to contribute
May 07 20:29:09 <Laibsch> infinito: angstrom is 2.6 only
May 07 20:29:17 <Cyorxamp> tis definately the damn FTP server Laibsch 
May 07 20:29:21 <Laibsch> LUCKILY
May 07 20:29:24 <Cyorxamp> even my dedicated server can FTP into it
May 07 20:29:32 <Cyorxamp> *can't
May 07 20:29:40 <infinito> is this the GOE image? x11-image-h5000.jffs2    
May 07 20:29:44 <Cyorxamp> thats not even on the same net connection
May 07 20:29:47 <infinito> s/GOE/GPE/
May 07 20:30:39 <Laibsch> infinito: You will probably need more than one file.
May 07 20:30:52 <Laibsch> But again I am not in a position to tell you exactly.
May 07 20:31:19 <Cyorxamp> cam some _please_ tell me how I change this mirror?
May 07 20:31:43 <Cyorxamp> i can't even find any bitbake.conf that hrw was on about
May 07 20:31:45 <koen> I repeat, read the OE user-manual?
May 07 20:31:53 <Laibsch> infinito: Not exactly your model, but http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ipaq-h2200-series
May 07 20:32:05 <Cyorxamp> and I repeat again... OE makes no mention of angstrom
May 07 20:32:22 <koen> Cyorxamp: so?
May 07 20:32:29 <koen> Cyorxamp: take the advice or shut up
May 07 20:32:33 <hvontres|poodle> Cyorxamp: And you will be told again that OE builds angstrom
May 07 20:32:40 <polyonymous> Cyorxamp, what exactly is the point you're trying to make?
May 07 20:32:55 <Cyorxamp> well I want to use the angstrom mirror! as its the only one that looks like it works perfectly
May 07 20:33:47 <Cyorxamp> I've spent FOUR hours working on this, I just want to know what damn line needs changing to get it using the angstrom mirrior
May 07 20:33:55 <infinito> Laibsch: ok, gonna try it...
May 07 20:34:22 <Laibsch> Ok, nice!
May 07 20:34:27 <Laibsch> go, koen!
May 07 20:34:29 <Laibsch> ;-)
May 07 20:35:18 <Laibsch> infinito: If you find anything that is different for your model, feel free to ask.  It would be nice if you wrote a summary so we can use it for others.
May 07 20:35:55 <Laibsch> Our installation docs still lack a bit ;-)
May 07 20:36:59 <infinito> the bootloader from familiar doesnt work with angstrom, i suppose...
May 07 20:37:10 <koen> it does
May 07 20:38:18 <hvontres|poodle> Laibsch: did you get my last msg?
May 07 20:38:37 <infinito> koen: so wichi image should i load from the familair bootloader?
May 07 20:38:47 <infinito> koen: i suppose one from here http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/h5000/20070401/
May 07 20:39:52 <Laibsch> hvontres|poodle: Only "Can you hear me now?"
May 07 20:40:43 <koen> infinito: pick the console image jffs2 and the most recent zImage
May 07 20:40:56 <koen> install those "as usual"
May 07 20:41:28 <hvontres|poodle> Laibsch: that was it
May 07 20:42:27 <Laibsch> Did you get the three lines after that?
May 07 20:44:12 <hvontres|poodle> Laibsch: nope
May 07 20:45:32 <hvontres|poodle> Laibsch: try now
May 07 20:53:09 <Laibsch> hvontres|poodle: It does not seem to get through.
May 07 20:53:17 <Laibsch> Why is this so flakey?
May 07 20:53:37 <Laibsch> I will mail you my log so we can continue the conversation
May 07 21:14:51 <hvontres|poodle> Laibsch: Ok. Do you have my e-mail address?
May 07 21:16:03 <Laibsch> yes
May 07 21:47:15 <summatusmentis> erm, not to sound ignorant, where do I find the files necessary to install once the angstrom-x11-image finishes baking?
May 07 21:48:08 <hvontres|poodle> summatusmentis: tmp/deploy/glibc/images/ iirs
May 07 21:48:42 <hvontres|poodle> summatusmentis: or something like that :)
May 07 21:49:05 <summatusmentis> hvontres|poodle: ok, thanks
May 07 22:27:50 <summatusmentis> if altboot doesn't work, how does angstrom boot right now?
May 07 22:30:29 <polyonymous> summatusmentis, altboot is not a bootloader.
May 07 22:30:41 <polyonymous> and it works for me too :)
May 07 22:30:45 <summatusmentis> polyonymous: someone just answered this in another, channel, thanks
May 07 22:30:51 <polyonymous> ah ok
May 07 22:30:52 <summatusmentis> it works? I was told not
May 07 22:31:09 <polyonymous> summatusmentis, well, not the version that builds by default
May 07 22:31:34 <summatusmentis> polyonymous: lol, so some OE bitbake voodoo magic that I won't understand? :-P
May 07 22:31:59 <polyonymous> summatusmentis, well, it you're compling with OE, then you can do that, I think. But it also depends on the machine. 
May 07 22:32:14 <polyonymous> summatusmentis, and one more thing - I'm using pretty weird setups, so it may not work in the normal ones :)
May 07 22:32:22 <summatusmentis> well, it's a 3200, and yeah, I'm building angstrom-x11-image now
May 07 22:36:24 <polyonymous> summatusmentis, For spits you just bitbake -b whatever-that-bb-file-for-previous-version-is.bb
May 07 22:36:36 <polyonymous> summatusmentis, not sure if it _works_ in regular setups
May 07 22:37:33 <summatusmentis> previous version, meaning the one used in OZ?
May 07 22:45:59 <polyonymous> summatusmentis, dunno. the one that worked for me :)
May 07 22:46:48 <polyonymous> summatusmentis, altboot - 1.1.1+wip-20061123-r0 - The altboot bootmanager
May 07 22:46:48 <polyonymous> altboot-conf - 1.1.1+wip-20061123-r0 - The altboot bootmanager
May 07 22:46:53 <polyonymous> (the one I have installed)
May 07 23:25:38 <summatusmentis> polyonymous: ok, thanks
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