**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 12 02:59:56 2007
May 12 06:50:23 <Furre> Hmm, I read the C860 has a seperate gpu, is that for any use at all? o.o
May 12 07:11:15 <koen> Furre: yes, we have an accelerated Xserver to make use of that
May 12 07:14:50 <Furre> oh, but hmm, does it make up for the lack of anything compaired to the C3200? :x *is trying to figure out which one to get*
May 12 07:16:40 <Furre> kinda difficutl to know which one would be good to spend money on since the speccs are kinda similar :x
May 12 07:17:04 <NAbyss> Furre: Do you want/need much storage on the device?
May 12 07:17:22 <NAbyss> Keep in mind the 3200 has an internal 6gb disk
May 12 07:18:04 <Furre> kinda, but already have a 4GB microdrive from an iPod that might be compatible :x, but hmm, does any of the zaurus got SDIO? cause cant use the microdrive and wifi at the same time otherwise :x
May 12 07:19:16 <NAbyss> I'm not sure about the state of SDIO.. prolly best to ask one of the kernel devs
May 12 07:19:26 <Furre> okk :)
May 12 07:19:52 <koen> the hardware supports SDIO, but SDIO won't be in the linux kernel till ~2.6.24
May 12 07:19:57 <Furre> Well, kinda to sum up what I need is: atleast 512mb of memory(SD card), and then Apache to be able to run with PHP, some kind of IRC client, and possibly an FTP client if avaible, all to be run at the same time :x
May 12 07:20:43 <NAbyss> Any of them should be able to support that AFAIK.. one consideration though, if you're going to use IRC.. keyboard size
May 12 07:21:27 <Furre> well, I ordered the C700 but got told it most likely will not manage to run all that
May 12 07:21:42 <Furre> so im trying to figure out which one to get instead :/
May 12 07:23:09 <NAbyss> I'd be leaning towards a 3200, but I'm biased.. I've got a 3100 here and use it essentially as a mini notebook.. gpsdrive, abiword etc.. if it can handle those, I can't see why it wouldn't handle apache etc.
May 12 07:24:18 <Furre> ah, hmm, is there much diference between the C1000 and C3200? apart from a huge step in price?, I just read the C1000 would manage to connect with USB devices, and I got a 400GB external HD here that might be fun to use with Apache then o.o
May 12 07:24:50 <NAbyss> C1000 doesn't have the internal hdd
May 12 07:24:50 <Furre> and 400GB would be way enough with space, only need that kind of space when having Apache to run, aka at home, so dont actually need an internal HD then
May 12 07:26:31 <Furre> NAbyss, but is there any other important difference youknow betweent he C1000 and 3200? kinda difficult to find pages with info :/
May 12 07:27:22 <NAbyss> Furre: Nope.. the 1000's essentially the 3x00 with 128mb of flash, same ram, no hdd
May 12 07:27:48 <NAbyss> From what I've heard others say, you should be able to install your own CF card internally where the microdrive usually is if you want permanent storage
May 12 07:29:14 <Furre> oh, so the C1000 doesnt come with a removable back like the C760?
May 12 07:30:26 <NAbyss> I'm not sure; haven't seen the 760. But, yeah, the case isn't easy to remove on the c[13]x00.. there's a battery slot with removable cover, SD slot and external CF slot
May 12 07:31:44 <Furre> but that batterycover, does it cover the whole bottom of the PDA, or just like 1/4 of the bottom?
May 12 07:32:32 <NAbyss> Just the corner where the battery is; the only other accessible parts are the reset button and JTAG pins, accessible via 5mm gap between the battery bay and the rest of the case
May 12 07:35:31 <Furre> ah okk, just wanted a thing PDA as possible hehe, oh well :), then it should be the same as C3200
May 12 07:36:03 <Furre> oh.. does the Cx000 support CF cards aswell, even if they have an internal HD?
May 12 07:36:22 <NAbyss> the Cxx00 models would be thicker, I'd imagine.. they're of the clamshell design. And, yes, the Cxx00 have two CF slots, one internal, one external. Only the internal is taken by the HDD.
May 12 07:38:10 <Furre> oohh, do you know if its difficult to take apart?, and also do you know if Ångström support like CD-IDE thing? the microdrive I have does not act like a nromal CF card, but rather as an IDE drive of some sort (apple restirted the microdrive that way, and wont work with cameras etc)
May 12 07:39:12 <NAbyss> No idea tbh.. although I'd assume that the CF support is the same as that for desktop linux.. they appear as PCMCIA devices, iirc
May 12 07:39:40 <Furre> alright, should work then since it works perfectly in computers atleast :)
May 12 07:39:47 <Furre> thanks alot for all the help NAbyss
May 12 07:40:03 <Furre> if C700 fails to run what I want, C1000 is what Ill buy then ^^
May 12 07:42:20 <Furre> oh btw, is one able to change the battery in the Cxx00?
May 12 07:42:32 <Furre> opps, nevermind *got a bad memory*
May 12 07:49:25 <Furre> http://www.ayati.com/img/slc3071.jpg <- ouch, looks like to ahve two slots indeed
May 12 07:53:33 <NAbyss> Yeah, you can.. I've bought two batteries for my 3100
May 12 07:57:06 <Furre> ok, thanks for all the help NAbyss :)
May 12 07:57:13 <NAbyss> np :)
May 12 07:59:19 <Furre> heh, atleast now Ill have two Zaurus :x, hopefully will manage to sell the C700 somewhere her ein sweden but will be difficult since no one knows what a zaurus is here :/
May 12 08:02:06 <Furre> cant be many people that have ordered two Zaurus in 3 days ^^
May 12 08:07:38 <Furre> ordered ^^
May 12 08:12:22 <Furre> o.o
May 12 08:12:41 <Furre> "PayPalThanks for order for Sharp SL-c10000." was what I got from the seller, didntknow they made a C10000 ^^
May 12 09:38:25 <CoreDump|home> is the angstrom-devel ML down? A mail I sent ~10hrs ago still didn't show up
May 12 09:42:34 <Laibsch> CoreDump|home: I see a message from you at oe-devel
May 12 09:43:50 * Laibsch flashes opie-kedpim to spitz
May 12 09:44:26 <CoreDump|home> That's not the one I'm talking about =)
May 12 09:48:52 <Laibsch> OK
May 12 09:49:11 <Laibsch> There were no mails in the last couple of hours on a-devel, so much is true
May 12 09:50:21 <CoreDump|home> just checking
May 12 09:51:02 <CoreDump|home> Laibsch: do you have a kernel that boots your spitz into flash, not HDD? If so could you post your CMDLINE somewhere please? Mine won't boot...
May 12 09:51:16 <Laibsch> I am not even sure
May 12 09:51:34 <Laibsch> I built it stright from the dev tree, no fiddling with those parameters yet
May 12 09:51:41 <Laibsch> Does that fit your description?
May 12 09:51:48 <CoreDump|home> not exactly no
May 12 09:52:02 <CoreDump|home> the .dev default kernel uses the HDD as rootfs
May 12 09:52:39 <Laibsch> OK
May 12 09:53:03 <Laibsch> I am still struggling to understand the different boot concepts
May 12 09:53:22 <Laibsch> (well, I don't really want to, altboot was nice because it took the hassle out of it)
May 12 09:53:31 <CoreDump|home> hehe
May 12 09:53:40 <Laibsch> google does not allow acess via lynx?
May 12 09:54:02 <CoreDump|home> Laibsch: last time I tried, that worked just fine
May 12 09:55:45 <Laibsch> I get an an error 400 "illegal or malfromed request"
May 12 09:56:23 <CoreDump|home> wow
May 12 09:56:26 <CoreDump|home> that's new
May 12 09:56:38 <CoreDump|home> "Do No Evil" my ass
May 12 09:57:47 <Laibsch> My image does not boot
May 12 09:57:59 <Laibsch> It stops at "Freeing init memory: 80K"
May 12 09:58:08 <CoreDump|home> hmm
May 12 09:58:21 <CoreDump|home> can't help you with that yet
May 12 09:58:54 <CoreDump|home> I'm still in the process of freeing my Zaurus ( while retaining a 100% backup of the original stuff )
May 12 09:59:33 <polyonymous> Laibsch, after flashing the new image?
May 12 10:00:46 <Laibsch> Yes, after flashing a self-compiled image
May 12 10:01:18 * Laibsch tries out plain opie-image now but has no hope for that
May 12 10:01:43 <Laibsch> yes, same thing
May 12 10:01:50 <Laibsch> next up is the console image
May 12 10:01:57 <polyonymous> Laibsch, I'd suspect there's something wrong with hdd partitioning.
May 12 10:02:13 <polyonymous> And I'd expect it to fail with console image as well.
May 12 10:03:06 <polyonymous> Hmm.. .not exactly partitioning, but something with the rootfs, anyway. I take it it is supposed to run init right after freeing memory and this is where it locks up.
May 12 10:03:29 <Laibsch> polyonymous: I installed the official GPE image fine
May 12 10:03:43 <polyonymous> Laibsch, ah.. that's different then....
May 12 10:03:52 <Laibsch> And I never fiddled with partitioning after I received the device from hrw
May 12 10:04:15 <polyonymous> Well, getting the dev from hrw provides for correct partitioning, indeed :)
May 12 10:04:47 <Laibsch> Sure ;-)
May 12 10:05:06 <Laibsch> What should it be or how do I reset to default?
May 12 10:05:07 <polyonymous> Oh well... Not sure what's going on there...
May 12 10:05:29 <polyonymous> Nevermind, I'm sure partitioning is okay because of hrw and because of gpe success.
May 12 10:06:10 <Laibsch> well, console-image is indeed the same
May 12 10:06:42 <polyonymous> also locks up?
May 12 10:06:48 <Laibsch> yes
May 12 10:06:50 <polyonymous> And your console-image is also self-compiled?
May 12 10:31:07 <Laibsch> yes
May 12 10:32:36 <polyonymous> must be something wrong witht the build...
May 12 10:35:42 <CoreDump|home> Laibsch: FWIW, angstrom-console-image is booting here
May 12 10:44:05 <Laibsch> polyonymous: The question is what?
May 12 10:44:11 <Laibsch> And how to find out
May 12 10:44:46 <polyonymous> Laibsch, dunno yet...
May 12 11:03:08 <koen> XorA|sleep: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=base-files <- GPL is already in there
May 12 11:30:02 <koen> hey pH5 and XorA 
May 12 11:30:14 <pH5> good morning everyone
May 12 11:32:12 <XorA> hey
May 12 11:41:11 <XorA> amazing an unsecured wireless router within range of me with username/password admin:admin
May 12 11:41:21 <XorA> and with a faster ADSL :-)
May 12 11:44:03 <pH5> XorA: jackpot :)
May 12 11:49:18 * XorA feels some interesting routing/iptables rules coming
May 12 15:23:40 <hrw|gone> Laibsch: spitz which you have has been repartitioned iirc
May 12 15:24:58 <Laibsch> hrw: Thank you for the information
May 12 15:25:03 <Laibsch> How do I reset it?
May 12 15:25:25 <hrw> what for?
May 12 15:25:52 <hrw> it is microdrive - nothing in OE world force you strict splitting
May 12 15:26:02 <hrw> you can have 1 partition for whole drive or few
May 12 15:26:22 <hrw> as long as /dev/hda1 can take your rootfs it is ok to have any split
May 12 15:28:16 <Laibsch> Well, as you know, my self-compiled image does not boot
May 12 15:28:32 <Laibsch> polyonymous suggested it might have to do with the partitioning of the drive
May 12 15:28:52 <Laibsch> But an official GPE image booted fine, so this is an unlikely cause
May 12 15:29:07 <hrw> Laibsch: udev started?
May 12 15:32:14 <Laibsch> hrw: Somebody asked before.  I cannot log in at all.  The boot only goes as far as "Freeing init memory: 80K"
May 12 15:32:29 <hrw> you need serial cable.
May 12 15:32:34 <Laibsch> ;-)
May 12 15:32:43 <hrw> Laibsch: you boots with 'quiet' or not?
May 12 15:33:04 <Laibsch> I don't know. I did not change anything from the default.
May 12 15:33:34 <hrw> you got kernel output on screen or not?
May 12 15:39:04 * hrw goes out - cu
May 12 15:41:44 <polyonymous> Laibsch, I withdrew my suggestion :)
May 12 15:47:23 <thefool> anyone around I have a really dumb question, and yes I searched the wiki...
May 12 15:48:23 <summatusmentis> thefool: I can try
May 12 15:48:53 <thefool> I am trying to figure out how to install Angstrom on my collie, or if it is even possible yet
May 12 15:49:02 <summatusmentis> it's possible, afaik
May 12 15:49:19 <summatusmentis> and, I think, you do it the way you did for OZ
May 12 15:49:32 <thefool> all I can find is a zimage, and no documentation, on OZ I would just flash it with that zimage, but then I don't know what I would do next here
May 12 15:49:52 <summatusmentis> hold on
May 12 15:50:02 <thefool> yea, on OZ I would unpack a rootfs.tar.gz or something onto my SD card
May 12 15:51:38 <Laibsch>     cp -i /export/interim/openembedded/tmp/angstrom/deploy/glibc/images/collie/console-image-collie.jffs2 /media/usbdisk/initrd.bin
May 12 15:51:38 <Laibsch>     cp -i /export/interim/openembedded/tmp/angstrom/deploy/glibc/images/collie/zImage-collie.bin /media/usbdisk/zImage.bin
May 12 15:51:38 <Laibsch>  
May 12 15:51:42 <summatusmentis> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/collie/20070505/ <-- that'll get you the equivalent of an OZ bootstrap image
May 12 15:51:48 <thefool> lol, I was looking at the latest release and didn't bother to lok at an earlier one, the earlier ones have all the same files, so I am guessing the method is the same
May 12 15:51:53 <Laibsch> thefool: That should give you an idea of what you need and how to rename it
May 12 15:52:34 <summatusmentis> thefool: yeah, afaik the flashing process is the same
May 12 15:52:43 <summatusmentis> but you're going to need to install gpe or opie on your own
May 12 15:53:01 <summatusmentis> as I'm not seeing an image for either of them
May 12 15:53:10 <thefool> not even sure how I would go about that, I am guessing just an ipkg install but...
May 12 15:53:29 <summatusmentis> I think so, hold on
May 12 15:55:12 <summatusmentis> Laibsch: is it angstrom-gpe-task-base?
May 12 15:56:03 <summatusmentis> thefool: there isn't an official opie yet, so gpe is your only option
May 12 15:56:19 <summatusmentis> and, afaik, everything you need is in the feeds, but I don't know that it is that's needed
May 12 15:56:20 <Laibsch> collie is not yet ready
May 12 15:56:31 <summatusmentis> collie can't do gpe yet?
May 12 15:56:42 <Laibsch> collie can't do a lot of thins
May 12 15:56:44 <Laibsch> things
May 12 15:56:50 <Laibsch> Look at the bug tracker
May 12 15:56:56 <Laibsch> It cannot even suspend.
May 12 15:57:04 <summatusmentis> ok, I assumed it was up to speed, my bad
May 12 15:57:06 <thefool> :/ aw well, I was sort of expecting that
May 12 15:57:21 <summatusmentis> thefool: yeah, I'd wait a while, stick w/ OZ
May 12 15:57:22 <thefool> so mind giving me an update of where it is? I
May 12 15:57:24 <Laibsch> If you want something to use productively, angstrom on the collie is not yet for you (this has been mentioned numerous times)
May 12 15:57:49 <thefool> using 2.6 kernel? using the new SD card drivers for larger SD cards? etc
May 12 15:58:03 <summatusmentis> thefool: what do you mean?
May 12 15:58:10 <thefool> wanted to use it more to test it out then productive use...
May 12 15:59:12 <Laibsch> thefool: Compile for yourself
May 12 15:59:33 <Laibsch> If you cannot do that then we are not there yet for you to test stuff.
May 12 16:00:44 <thefool> summatusmentis: the collie back in OZ did not make the switch to the 2.6 kernel with the rest of the zaurii because the 2.6 kernel would require a different SD driver to be written due to it's rather odd design, someone finally wrote some drivers for it so it should work now, but it was never implemented in OZ
May 12 16:01:42 <thefool> Laibsch: hehe then I shall wait, I remember how much of a pain it was last time I tried to get Bitbake and OE running...
May 12 16:01:57 <Laibsch> thefool: It is a real easy
May 12 16:02:19 <Laibsch> Look at GettingStarted and OEandYourDistro on the oe wiki
May 12 16:02:25 <Laibsch> My mom can do that
May 12 16:02:51 <thefool> lol ok, maybe things changed, maybe I just over complicated things last time
May 12 16:02:55 <Laibsch> thefool: The SD driver is also not ready yet
May 12 16:03:21 <thefool> not ready as in doesn't work, or not ready as in it breaks other things?
May 12 16:07:35 <thefool> alright so next weekend I am compiling angstrom and making my own mini-feed I guess. I am barely a decent C programmer but if there is anything I can do to help (I have a hectic schedule but every once in a while I get a large chunk of hours with nothing to do) let me know
May 12 16:26:30 <XorA|lego> thefool: pick a bug from bugs.openembedded.org and fix it :-)
May 12 16:29:23 <koen> why make your own feed?
May 12 16:29:31 <thefool> sounds like a good start :)
May 12 16:29:31 <koen> everything you need should be in the default feeds
May 12 16:30:33 <thefool> well I guess I don't have to but if everything is sorta in the dev phase I was figuring I would just build everything from scratch to see what works and what doesn't just in case there are (and I assume there are) non-working packages in the feed
May 12 16:31:18 <koen> the should be no non-working packages in the feeds
May 12 16:31:29 <koen> (barring firefox, but that's there for debugging)
May 12 16:31:38 <XorA|lego> koen: I was just about to mention firefox :-)
May 12 16:34:10 <summatusmentis> gxine too, I'm getting ready to check the debug status of it, and put in a bug report
May 12 16:35:32 <koen> xine sucks, use gstreamer
May 12 16:35:33 <XorA|lego> ~lart wolfson monotone mirror
May 12 16:36:06 <summatusmentis> lol, koen so because it sucks bug reports aren't wanted? :-)
May 12 16:36:13 <summatusmentis> I'll look into gstreamer
May 12 16:36:16 <koen> right
May 12 16:36:48 * koen goes to watch some national lampoon movie and eat some cheese
May 12 16:36:49 <polyonymous> hmm... but "the should be no non-working packages in the feeds"
May 12 16:37:08 <koen> "sucks" is different from "non-working" :)
May 12 16:37:34 <polyonymous> koen, yes, but summatusmentis mentioned its malfunction.
May 12 16:37:46 <polyonymous> Sure I do not object suckiness in the feeds :)
May 12 16:38:04 <summatusmentis> well, when it crashes, on attempted start with an "Illegal instruction", it falls into the non-working category
May 12 16:38:33 <polyonymous> Well, Illegal instruction is quite valid result of working :)
May 12 16:48:06 <summatusmentis> you know what the bugtracker needs? a wap compatible page :-D
May 12 16:48:29 <koen> *xine* deleted
May 12 16:49:06 <summatusmentis> you're deleting it? what's the suggested media player frontend then?
May 12 16:49:54 <polyonymous> <koen> xine sucks, use gstreamer
May 12 16:50:38 <summatusmentis> I thought gstreamer was the backend stuff
May 12 16:53:11 <polyonymous> summatusmentis, totem, I believe is gnome frontend. It's based either on xine or mplayer.
May 12 16:53:34 <polyonymous> anyway, I'm not an expert in multimedia field.
May 12 16:53:44 <summatusmentis> ok, thanks
May 12 20:01:31 <Laibsch> I am trying to flash the latest official images now.  I get "ERROR: Flash write" followed by a reboot.  Now, where is that coming from?
May 12 20:01:55 <Laibsch> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/spitz/20070512/Angstrom-console-image-test-20070512-spitz.rootfs.tar.gz -> hdimage1.tgz
May 12 20:02:22 <Laibsch> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/spitz/20070512/gnu-tar
May 12 20:02:40 <Laibsch> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/spitz/20070512/updater.sh.spitz -> updater.sh
May 12 20:02:58 <Laibsch> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/spitz/20070512/zImage-2.6.20-spitz-20070508145518.bin -> zImage.bin
May 12 20:03:05 <Laibsch> I guess that should be OK?
May 12 20:03:47 <koen> that should be ok
May 12 20:04:20 <koen> the flash write is a bit puzzling, as only the kernel should be flashed and the image written to disk (not touching flash)
May 12 20:23:11 <Laibsch> OK, but what do I do now?
May 12 21:29:00 <XorA|lego> Laibsch: decode updater.sh and find what prints that message
May 12 21:30:55 <XorA|lego> looks like that error means zImage is too big for the mtd it is going in
May 12 21:31:45 <koen> which is weird, since OE checks for size iirc
May 12 21:31:57 <koen> maybe sharp silently changed partition layout
May 12 21:32:22 <koen> XorA|lego: how's the lego coming along?
May 12 21:32:52 <XorA|lego> koen: built most of my sets today
May 12 21:33:04 <XorA|lego> koen: Im gonna leave laying them out till tomorrow now
May 12 21:33:48 <XorA> koen: maybe we are slightly wrong on that size :-)
May 12 21:34:08 <koen> that's entirily possible
May 12 21:36:43 <XorA> nope, just went through the script, that error only comes from initrd.bin flashing
May 12 21:37:59 <XorA> http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=SL-C3000_Updater_Script annotated script :-)
May 12 21:39:10 <XorA> and the one in OE is even simpler
May 12 21:40:40 <XorA> people are accidently leaving initrd.bin from different device on CF card?
May 12 21:47:11 <koen> Laibsch: [23:40] XorA: people are accidently leaving initrd.bin from different device on CF card?
May 12 21:48:18 <Laibsch> koen: Should not be the case but I will check
May 12 21:48:28 <Laibsch> I had used the CF to flash my collie before.
May 12 21:49:13 <Laibsch> oh, initrd.bin?  Well, yes that is still laying around from the collie
May 12 21:49:37 <Laibsch> I would not have thought this is a problem since only the collie seemed to use it
May 12 21:50:02 <XorA> Laibsch: spitz updater.sh will flash it
May 12 21:50:09 <koen> updater.sh is a piece of crap
May 12 21:50:18 <Laibsch> Well, it should not ;-)
May 12 21:50:29 <XorA> Laibsch: why? its a valid operation
May 12 21:50:58 <koen> it stabs users in the eye, but it's still valid
May 12 21:51:01 <XorA> Laibsch: when koen gets uclibc working for complete image we can all run off flash and shutdown HD save us many W of power
May 12 21:51:39 <Laibsch> Nice
May 12 21:53:19 <XorA> We can fit Angstrom in 128K like in ZX spectrum days
May 12 21:54:44 <koen> my main goal is an initramfs/initrd angstrom-installer
May 12 21:54:49 * XorA having looked how simple updater.sh is is tempted to write one that just does it all in a shar archive
May 12 21:55:40 <koen> that'd be nice, if memory consumption is no problem
May 12 21:56:05 <XorA> I was just thinking that to be safe rootfs would always have to be <32M
May 12 21:56:43 <XorA> probably in region of 24M to give room to work
May 12 21:57:26 <Laibsch> spitz is looking NICE now
May 12 21:59:20 <XorA> ~lart maemo minimo guys
May 12 22:00:33 <koen> what did they do now?
May 12 22:01:41 <koen> or didn't do
May 12 22:03:31 <XorA> release their source
May 12 22:05:40 <koen> hmmm
May 12 22:05:50 <koen> I'm seeing a bug that 200-uclibc-locale.patch is supposed to fix
May 12 22:10:01 <Laibsch> koen: FYI. spitz console-image booted fine without any obvious issues
May 12 22:10:08 <koen> cool
May 12 22:14:49 <Laibsch> After the removal of initrd.bin my self-compiled images flash, too
May 12 22:15:17 <Laibsch> Speaking of which
May 12 22:15:59 <Laibsch> I'd like to add some files to install by default (some packages such as nunome and some files such as the drop-bear ssh key) to my personal image
May 12 22:16:10 <Laibsch> What would be the best way to do that?
May 12 22:16:14 <koen> ANGSTROM_EXTRA_INSTALL
May 12 22:16:25 <Laibsch> in local.conf?
May 12 22:16:37 <Laibsch> Have not seen that var before
May 12 22:16:40 <koen> anywhere you want
May 12 22:17:01 * Laibsch cannot believe how incredibly flexible and professional OE/angstrom has been programmed
May 12 22:17:14 <Laibsch> Cool, even from the command line then?
May 12 22:17:17 <koen> I've been saying that for ages :)
May 12 22:17:19 <Laibsch> Unbelievable
May 12 22:17:32 <Laibsch> koen: You must have been talking to yourself ;-)
May 12 22:17:36 <koen> Laibsch: technically you could do in on the commandline as well, but I suspect that doesn't work yet
May 12 22:17:47 <Laibsch> No problem
May 12 22:17:59 * Laibsch is back in opie
May 12 22:18:33 <koen> doing it The Right Way(TM) took a lot of cursing and pain, but in the end it pays off
May 12 22:18:50 <koen> and a lot of discussions and debates
May 12 22:18:52 <Laibsch> It certainly does
May 12 22:18:58 <koen> which not everyone is prepared to do
May 12 22:19:04 <Laibsch> Good to see that OE stuck through it
May 12 22:19:23 <Laibsch> It is now way superior to anything else
May 12 22:19:27 <Laibsch> And still growing
May 12 22:20:30 <Laibsch> Even the flip over on the spitz screen works
May 12 22:20:30 <koen> it took angstrom more than a year to get reasonable useable for me
May 12 22:20:44 <koen> I suspect it needs some more time to be useable for the average user
May 12 22:20:44 <Laibsch> XorA: Are you still aware of any major spitz issues?
May 12 22:21:03 <XorA> Laibsch: no, I use spitz everyday
May 12 22:21:05 <Laibsch> koen: It is useable for me.  I am the biggest DAU you will ever get ;-)
May 12 22:21:09 <Laibsch> And you know it
May 12 22:21:38 <Laibsch> koen: About opei and GPE at the same time.  You said some lib might cause trouble
May 12 22:21:56 <Laibsch> Would it be possible/advisable to CONFLICT these two libs?
May 12 22:22:03 <koen> libsdl is the main offender
May 12 22:22:31 <koen> iirc they are named the same as .ipk to keep the games independant
May 12 22:23:02 <Laibsch> I don't care about games
May 12 22:23:05 <Laibsch> :-D
May 12 22:23:28 <koen> someone needs to pickup where zecke left and build opie for X
May 12 22:24:10 <koen> that way you can avoid all the stupid framebuffer/qpe hacks
May 12 22:24:17 <Laibsch> I'd do my part but I am afraid that is not much
May 12 22:24:26 <Laibsch> Maybe polyonymous has some interest
May 12 22:24:35 <Laibsch> His skills seems up to par for that kind of job
May 12 22:24:41 <XorA> getting Qt-x11-free to build is the first hurdle, I have never managed it
May 12 22:24:52 <koen> I built qt3 today
May 12 22:24:57 <koen> qt4 failed, though
May 12 22:25:04 <koen> didn't try qt3
May 12 22:25:18 <XorA> ah qt3 would by enough to get kde running :-
May 12 22:25:19 <XorA> )
May 12 22:26:09 <koen> kde4 rc is out, btw
May 12 22:26:20 <koen> which has sane bluetooth handling
May 12 22:26:53 <XorA> yeah I know, but that need qt4
May 12 22:26:59 <XorA> which fails on freetype
May 12 22:27:12 <koen> indeed
May 12 22:27:13 <XorA> so I tried later qt4, but patches are all needed massive refresh
May 12 22:27:29 <XorA> we need mickey|moving back from moko land
May 12 22:27:36 <koen> I'd like to have qt4 libs and apps for angstrom
May 12 22:28:16 <XorA> same here
May 12 22:29:30 <polyonymous> Laibsch, the funny part is that although I'm putting much effort into getting opie running, I wouldn't say my qt-skills are of any considerable value. Still, it's very likely that I can handle this opie-for-x thing, which I can look into in a couple of weeks.
May 12 22:29:36 <Zuse> Just finished my "research": "C1000 resume problems". It really seems to be a software problem. Cacko is working over a period of 2 days now without any resume problems.  
May 12 22:30:03 <Laibsch> polyonymous: I think compilation skills is what is needed first
May 12 22:30:23 <polyonymous> Laibsch, no one can beat gcc in that :) Well, as I told you, it's very likely that I can handle it.
May 12 22:30:33 <polyonymous> I'm leaving monday morning.
May 12 22:30:48 <koen> polyonymous: enjoy your holiday!
May 12 22:30:50 <polyonymous> Don't have much time before I leave.
May 12 22:30:53 <polyonymous> Thanks, koen :)
May 12 22:31:02 <XorA> Zuse: that is odd
May 12 22:31:20 <Laibsch> polyonymous: Yes, have fun in Moscow!  Your home?
May 12 22:31:41 <polyonymous> Laibsch, thanks. Yes, as much of my home as I can have at all :) 
May 12 22:32:08 <polyonymous> I'm somewhat spiritually homeless or the opposite of it (that is - everywhere is my home) ;-)
May 12 22:34:34 <Zuse> XorA: I'm sorry for the problem, however, I'm happy that is is not a hardware problem ;). 
May 12 22:35:15 <polyonymous> hmm... is c1000 basically a diskless spitz or am I confusing things?
May 12 22:35:34 <koen> polyonymous: basically yes
May 12 22:35:43 <koen> polyonymous: different NAND chip, though
May 12 22:35:58 <polyonymous> so, the kernel is different?
May 12 22:36:06 <koen> yes
May 12 22:36:09 <polyonymous> I wonder why would it have suspend problems when spitz doesn't.
May 12 22:36:21 <polyonymous> aha, must be that part that differs then.
May 12 22:36:28 <XorA> got an IO extender instead of scoop2 if I remeber right
May 12 22:36:34 <Zuse> if there is anything I can do to help debugging let me know. At least my problem is reproduceable
May 12 22:36:57 <polyonymous> aha
May 12 22:37:32 <XorA> Zuse: did OZ give the problem?
May 12 22:37:43 <XorA> Zuse: I seem to remeber you said pdaXrom did?
May 12 22:37:53 <Zuse> XorA: Yes as well as pdaXrom
May 12 22:38:28 <XorA> Zuse: can you file a bug at bugs.openembedded.org with as much info as possible and hopefully our kernel guy has a good guess when he returns
May 12 22:39:29 <Zuse> The problem is as follow: I CAN resume the z without problem if the suspend time s not to long. It definitely hangs up for suspend times longer then 12 hours (overnight) maybe even shorter but this is tricky to find out.
May 12 22:39:50 <XorA> Zuse: its no good putting the info here, in 10 mins it will be lost forever
May 12 22:40:07 <XorA> Zuse: and the main kernel hacker is not reading at the current moment I think
May 12 22:40:22 <Zuse> XorA: Yes I will fill a bug report. Scaring me to call it bug ;)
May 12 22:40:48 <XorA> Zuse: its better to file it and be called an idiot than to not file it and we release a totally duff release
May 12 22:41:01 <koen> Duffman!
May 12 22:41:15 <XorA> Oooooh Yeaaaaaaah
May 12 22:41:35 <koen> Toronado's in San Fransisco had a can of Duff on display
May 12 22:43:46 <Zuse> XorA: No problem, since I'm a convinced Linux user, I'm used to be called: crank, idiot, geek, etc. by my "Windows"-colleauges ;) 
May 12 22:45:42 <XorA> crap me own forum is now showing up in google
May 12 23:00:07 <polyonymous> Laibsch, just wondering have you tested 2149, yet? Might be an addition to the bugs closed this week, as you like the number :)
May 12 23:21:40 <Laibsch> ibot: bugmail for hrw: Maybe bug 2220 is interesting for you
May 12 23:42:31 <polyonymous> just tried e-image and it doesn't work :)
May 12 23:47:08 <Zuse> O.K. I just send the bug report. If I can help please tell me 
May 13 01:56:56 <AsLan^> Hello, available to answer a couple of questions?
May 13 01:57:31 <AsLan^> missed the "is anyone" part of that sentence
May 13 01:58:22 <AsLan^> well, I'll ask my question and maybe someone can answer
May 13 01:59:17 <AsLan^> I installed the openembedded development environment and started building an image for my tosa, does it really require all 1600 or 3000 packages to be built? or am I doing something wrong
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