**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 14 02:59:57 2007 May 14 03:08:50 yeah, and a bit of latency May 14 03:09:18 mmm... you can use ctrl+# and it does the same thing May 14 03:09:27 sorrty, alt+# May 14 03:09:52 I know, I do that, but when it lags really bad, I use the absolute method May 14 03:10:03 ah, whatever works May 14 03:10:47 I'm up to alt+y because I have so many windows open May 14 03:20:03 heh May 14 06:30:35 morning May 14 06:33:09 good morning May 14 10:20:42 koen: Are you here? May 14 10:39:50 yes May 14 10:43:57 damn, neo kernel in oe is borken May 14 10:44:17 must be that overlay ;-) May 14 10:44:46 nah I think its the stupid bunling of patches, patches moved onto 2.6.21 filename didnt change May 14 10:45:01 didn't I fix that? May 14 10:45:12 koen: not as a pull 5 secs ago May 14 10:45:27 after they moved the patches around I changed the SRC_URIs May 14 10:45:31 I thought Id bring it up here where its safe from rabid people May 14 10:46:00 |Index: linux-2.6.21-moko/sound/soc/Kconfig May 14 10:46:00 |=================================================================== May 14 10:46:00 |--- linux-2.6.21-moko.orig/sound/soc/Kconfig May 14 10:46:00 |+++ linux-2.6.21-moko/sound/soc/Kconfig May 14 10:46:00 -------------------------- May 14 10:46:03 No file to patch. Skipping patch. May 14 10:46:04 svn://svn.openmoko.org/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.20.x;module=patches;proto=http is the wrong place? May 14 10:46:05 1 out of 1 hunk ignored May 14 10:46:07 can't find file to patch at input line 24160 May 14 10:46:09 Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option? May 14 10:46:11 The text leading up to this was: May 14 10:48:14 hmmm May 14 10:48:28 I suspect a problem in the svn fetcher May 14 10:48:28 hmm, patches look right May 14 10:48:40 Ill have to nuke crap out of svn dirs May 14 10:49:08 bah, I hate when that happens May 14 10:49:24 I did nuke my DL_DIR to check for missing sources a while ago May 14 10:56:00 nuking /sources/*svn* did it May 14 10:56:52 pheeew May 14 10:57:05 * koen can shift blame to bitbake ;) May 14 10:57:13 damn overlays :-D May 14 11:14:04 Koen: Why all this changes to linux-handhelds-2.6 in OE? I saw that htcuniversal folder with it's defconfig is deleted. Now angstrom-images wouldnt build because of missing defconfig. May 14 11:14:16 goxboxlive: ask psokolovsky May 14 11:14:26 I have tried for two days May 14 11:15:15 I know it's because of defconfigman. May 14 11:15:36 I didn't make those changes, so I'm the wrong person to ask May 14 11:15:38 But i dont think it's right to just delete out devices wich dont use defconfigman May 14 11:17:15 goxboxlive: stop preading lies. nothing was deleted. May 14 11:18:11 oskolovcsky: Dont accuse me for beeing a lier. let's keep us ourself over that layer May 14 11:18:42 psokolovsky: So where is the defconfoig for universal then? May 14 11:18:54 goxboxlive: you tell me! May 14 11:18:55 packages/linux/linux-handhelds-2.6-2.6.20/htcuniversal/defconfig May 14 11:19:51 psokolovsky: http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.dev/packages/linux/linux-handhelds-2.6 May 14 11:19:52 goxboxlive: But I have a question for you too. haven't you've been told that we convert to defconfigman for month - both in hh.org CVS, and in OE? May 14 11:20:03 the mtn logs don't show any deleted files May 14 11:20:35 goxboxlive: now, there's no htcuniversal config for defconfigman. Why have you deleted it??!! May 14 11:21:28 psokolovsky: Yes i have been told that you are going to do that, but i never thought that our device would be reomved if we didnt aply to it. May 14 11:21:54 goxboxlive: no, you removed stuff! May 14 11:21:56 psokolovsky: We havent deleted it, we have never made it. May 14 11:22:55 psokolovsky: What do you mean that i have removed? I dont have writre acces to OE May 14 11:22:58 goxboxlive: what do you say?! but I still will keep telling that you deleted it, just for fun. one buddy on the channel does that, I guess I should try too. May 14 11:23:24 whats wrong with the one at path I posted? May 14 11:24:49 long story short: a new recipe was added, without a htcuniversal defconfig in FILES_PATH May 14 11:24:55 XorA: there're some issues with how htcuniversal guys maintain their stuff and contribute to OE, and that just need some special measures for mending. asking them resonable questions and giving suggestions doesn't work, unfortunately ;-( May 14 11:25:09 no htcdefconfig was deleted, but a new one wasn't added either May 14 11:26:39 koen: We have allways had our own defconfig in linux-handhelds-2.6/htcuniversal. May 14 11:26:46 goxboxlive: this is the second time Ive seen you come here with wild accusations that could be disproved with 10 seconds of work with mtn log, please think before starting a war May 14 11:27:01 [13:24] koen: long story short: a new recipe was added, without a htcuniversal defconfig in FILES_PATH May 14 11:27:35 Xora; I hjuts cant see that this will start a war. If you read the logs you will see that i dint accuse koen pr psokolovsky or neither you May 14 11:27:46 I just asked WHY it was deleted. May 14 11:28:04 it WASN'T deleted May 14 11:28:14 which is the point we are trying to make May 14 11:29:27 koen: So you are saying that it has never exist? May 14 11:29:29 goxboxlive: you even should stop wasting people's time, and get to work. there was RFC for switching to defconfigman stuff. The most productive way si just make a config for it, period. If not, somebody else will do that. If you have any issues with defconfigman proposal at all, reply in the ML, and proposed better procedure for mainatining 30 kernel ports. May 14 11:30:25 well. it was just a question. May 14 11:30:34 goxboxlive: there was never 2.6.21 defconfig for htcuniversal in OE, period. for any previous kernel version, there's, so stop flame. May 14 11:30:42 ./linux-handhelds-2.6-2.6.16/htcuniversal/defconfig May 14 11:30:42 ./linux-handhelds-2.6-2.6.17/htcuniversal/defconfig May 14 11:30:43 ./linux-handhelds-2.6-2.6.18/htcuniversal/defconfig May 14 11:30:44 ./linux-handhelds-2.6-2.6.19/htcuniversal/defconfig May 14 11:30:44 ./linux-handhelds-2.6-2.6.20/htcuniversal/defconfig May 14 11:30:46 hmm, do I need to read up on defconfigman for omap kernels? May 14 11:31:08 Crofton: it would be nice, but only 'required' for handhelds.org kernels May 14 11:31:33 good, my list of stuff to worry about is very lng :) May 14 11:31:42 Crofton: read up - yeah, if you have time ;-). for something else, you can wait and see how this experiemnt will end first ;-) May 14 11:31:52 :) May 14 11:33:14 psokolosvky: ok May 14 11:35:51 koen: I thought that if a device existed in a previoues version it will be automaticly added to the next version. May 14 11:36:32 heh May 14 11:36:45 maybe if you have a service contract May 14 11:37:52 :-) May 14 11:38:01 koen: no, it always depended on maintainers' submission. Now, there's plan to indeed make this automatic for teh future. But doing that still requires either cooperation from device maintainers, or relaxing and watching while somebody else does that. May 14 11:38:08 brr, sorry May 14 11:38:17 goxboxlive: that was for you ;-) May 14 11:44:56 psokolovsky: suppose angstrom would make a release in ~2 months, what kernel version would you recommend for all hh.org powered machines/ May 14 11:44:58 ? May 14 11:46:35 2.6.22 May 14 11:54:16 koen: yeah, current at that time ;-). we're following mainline well for the last 3-4 releases, and have process and code well improving, so we shouldn't worse than zauruses (or x86 ;-) ) May 14 11:57:56 ok, feel free to bump the devices in the angstrom configs to the blessed kernel when avaiable May 14 11:59:19 ok, thanks May 14 12:17:50 hello? May 14 12:19:12 hello does anyone monitor this channel? May 14 12:22:37 AsLan^: everyone does May 14 12:24:47 super :) May 14 12:25:07 I'm trying to track down the bug that doesn't let the tosa suspend properly May 14 12:25:26 I applied some patches I found oneline and it still doesn't work May 14 12:25:40 although a different module seems to fail now May 14 12:26:05 it used to be apmd that would exit and its khubd May 14 12:26:17 so... May 14 12:26:24 not quite sure where to keep looking May 14 12:26:44 AsLan^: a quick suggestion is to test bare kernel first. for more details, you'll need to talk with folks like RP and hrw May 14 12:27:01 I'm not sur ewhat a bare kernel is May 14 12:27:12 or who RP and hrw are :) May 14 12:28:53 AsLan^: bare kernel is kerbel booted with minimal userspace, for example, with busybox and dropbear only. May 14 12:29:18 for the rest, hang on on the channel, and in few weeks, you'll know everything ;-) May 14 12:29:56 fair enough, thanks for the tip May 14 12:32:34 unfucked /var handling will in feeds in ~3 hours from now May 14 12:40:35 oh hey May 14 12:41:07 unloading the prism and p80211 modules allows me to suspend and resume normally May 14 13:43:56 morning May 14 13:44:03 howdy May 14 13:44:18 are you the man who knows about tosa's? May 14 13:44:27 I know some May 14 13:44:45 have you had any luck with the suspend/resume May 14 13:44:46 wlan-ng modules are SHIT CRAP etc and youhave to remove them before suspend May 14 13:45:04 is it the modules that's making it crash though? May 14 13:45:14 yes May 14 13:45:39 can they be fixed? May 14 13:45:40 they do not support suspend/resume at all May 14 13:45:42 no May 14 13:46:01 they are very low quality code and even upstrream does not care about them May 14 13:46:19 I propose forgetting about wifi in tosa and use CF wifi card May 14 13:46:50 hmm, I hadn't thought of that, nor do I have a cf wifi card May 14 13:47:54 hrw: what about unloading them on suspend? May 14 13:48:26 koen: iirc it was added as a hack once in OZ May 14 13:49:11 let's add is as hack in OE as well May 14 13:50:52 AsLan^: vi /etc/default/usb* (do not remember name) and insert there 'ohci_hcd' May 14 13:50:55 then try May 14 13:52:00 usbd? May 14 13:52:29 it actually already has a line May 14 13:52:40 usbdmodule=ohci-hcd May 14 13:52:53 and a note about the tosa suspend/resume May 14 13:56:04 apmd working? May 14 13:56:24 do you mena can I suspend resume? May 14 13:56:32 we have a script in /etc/apm*/ somewhere which unload usbdmodule on suspend and load on resume May 14 13:56:50 I did that hack in oz 3.5.4.2-rc when I got tosa May 14 13:57:48 the directories are there but no suitable looking scripts May 14 13:58:04 actually, there is a resume script May 14 13:58:10 but no suspend May 14 13:59:27 it unloads the moduls, sleeps for 2 seconds, then force the interface back up May 14 14:00:35 wait so, will the scripts in the appropriate apm directories be run when apm changes state? May 14 14:00:41 can I put any scripts in there? May 14 14:01:00 you can May 14 14:01:14 :D well I"ll give it a try then May 14 14:01:42 AsLan^: thanks for looking into this May 14 14:04:19 AsLan^: look into ubuntu - they have some interesting workarounds for it May 14 14:05:11 napisaÅ‚ May 14 14:05:13 ops May 14 14:05:20 alrighty :) May 14 14:05:27 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-wlan-ng/+bug/37451 May 14 14:05:32 the script seems to be working though May 14 14:05:43 although its quite ugly May 14 14:05:51 oh wait... maybe its not workign May 14 14:06:02 nah, its not :( May 14 14:06:12 AsLan^: it was written for crap for sharp usb slave thing May 14 14:08:02 wait... I'm not entirely convinced this script is running on suspend May 14 14:08:18 I tried putting an "echo okay >> temp" line May 14 14:08:32 put it hasn't created a file May 14 14:08:39 so, I'm assuming it hasn't run May 14 14:09:34 I put the two rmmod commands in a script called wlan-ng in the /etc/apm/suspend.d/ directory May 14 14:09:58 AsLan^ which ver of wlan-ng crap we build now?\ May 14 14:10:08 I'm not sure May 14 14:10:13 how can I find out? May 14 14:10:17 ipkg info wlan-ng-modules May 14 14:10:51 I don't get any information May 14 14:12:16 looks like 0.2.7 according to bitbake May 14 14:13:23 ok May 14 14:14:38 0.2.5-20061109 May 14 14:14:46 will have to check newer date May 14 14:15:05 I'm going to have a shot installing these newer modules May 14 14:25:26 after installing new modules, if I reset the device will they be lost? May 14 14:26:32 we need to check much newer ones that oe has May 14 14:28:20 cu May 14 14:28:24 too much lag May 14 14:28:30 lag? May 14 14:28:58 delays May 14 14:29:04 this is irc :P I've never heard of lag on irc May 14 14:29:16 you use irc for too short May 14 14:29:34 imagine university on 64kb connection May 14 14:29:52 that is beyond my imagination! May 14 14:29:52 ;D May 14 14:29:55 bye May 14 14:30:00 ttfn :) May 14 14:49:03 psokolovsky: I have issues with fonts in opie. I compiled qpf-unismall. But it RDEPENDS on qpf-fonts-common which is empty (filed bug report on that one). Then I tried ttf-sazanami-gothic which installed fine but which does not show up under Appearances applet. Any idea? May 14 14:50:56 Laibsch: oops, sorry, no. is it all about CJK support? May 14 14:51:53 For me, yes. In general, no. May 14 14:52:09 This is about font support May 14 14:52:18 Maybe hrw can help us out, too May 14 15:20:24 Anyone here got a CF-wifi card thats cheap and works? I purchased an AmbiCom 1100C, but now I found out that it didnt work for some people :/ May 14 15:25:40 hmm, old article thought, maybe it works nowadays`? May 14 15:27:30 Furre: hmm, I have a Symbol la-4137 that works with OZ, haven't tested it with Angstrom yet. the only downside to that card is that it's not a hostap supported card, so I don't think it'll handle WPA. May 14 15:27:52 Furre: I'll probably try it on angstom later this week May 14 15:38:45 koen: Are there any guidlines in Angstrom regarding static vs dynamic linking? I am playing with a small menu interface for altboot and was wondering if it would be better to stiticly link it vs requiring ncurses to be installed May 14 15:38:49 Furre: I guess there is a lesson to be learned: research before you buy! May 14 15:39:22 hvontres|poodle: no guidelines, but IMO such an app should be statically linked with uclibc May 14 15:39:46 "I removed ncurses and now it doesn't boot anymore" May 14 15:40:05 koen: Ok. I'll look into that once I get the basic thing working. May 14 15:40:10 Laibsch, thats what I tried the first time and it made me purchase the wrong zaurus, twice :/ May 14 15:40:16 koen: Very good point... May 14 15:40:23 meh, oh well, guess Ill have to wait and see if itll work or not before selling it May 14 15:40:33 hvontres|poodle: are you going to implements part of altboot in C as well? May 14 15:41:32 koen: well, this would be a start :) I am trying to get to the point of being able to navigate altboot using three keys: up,down and "select", all three of which can be configured May 14 15:42:08 koen: my 'C' skills are not the prettyest tho... May 14 15:42:38 * hvontres|poodle finds shell scripts to be way too cryptic for a large project May 14 15:43:19 it would be nice if altboot keeps working if one manages to screw up /bin/sh May 14 15:43:49 e.g by rebooting during upgrades May 14 15:45:04 * hvontres|poodle wonders if it would be possible to generate staticly linked python.... May 14 15:45:21 pypy? May 14 15:46:45 koen: heh..well I was thinking more along the lines of "compliling May 14 15:47:04 a python app to a stanalone, static executalbe May 14 15:50:27 koen: who other than RP would know about kexec stuff on arm? May 14 15:53:56 ehm May 14 15:54:01 I'd say RP :) May 14 15:54:30 * hvontres|poodle thinks we need to clone RP somehow May 14 15:55:17 fork or vfork ? May 14 15:55:29 he should be back from holidays iirc May 14 15:55:53 koen: yeah, but I think we could use at least 2 of him anyways :) May 14 15:57:01 hvontres|poodle: but anyway, what's up with kexec? May 14 16:01:24 * RP is here May 14 16:01:41 well, as much as multitasking allows :/ May 14 16:04:13 psokolovsky: I am trying to figure out what it would take for kexec to allow commandline modification May 14 16:04:45 hvontres|poodle: ah, I see... I'd be interested in specifics too ;-) May 14 16:06:09 hvontres|poodle: actually, hh.org kernel has older "armboot" thing, and it appears to support cmdline May 14 16:07:28 sweet, hciattach won;'t be needed anymore in the future May 14 16:07:29 hvontres|poodle, RP: and code which handles it is some 7 lines - just adds corresponding ATAG May 14 16:07:40 koen: will be moved tro kernel? ;-D May 14 16:07:43 psokolovsky: armboot is wat LAB uses May 14 16:07:44 to May 14 16:07:50 psokolovsky: no, to hcid May 14 16:07:52 koen: yeah, exactly May 14 16:09:00 psokolovsky: hmm, I'll have to dig into that. Thanks May 14 16:10:22 RP: do you have idea if kexec/arm uses ATAGs at all? code is spread around and I can't see immediately May 14 16:11:30 Anyone know if this GPS will work with Zaurus?: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=013&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=230127796462&rd=1&rd=1 May 14 16:12:43 psokolovsky: It doesn't have any idea about them May 14 16:13:30 RP: gotcha. that's the issue. I guess, generic kexec doesn't support cmdline at all? May 14 16:13:46 Furre: Not sure. I know gpsd can speak sirf protocol, but I have no idea about this one in particular May 14 16:14:14 psokolovsky: No, each arch needs to implement its way of handling it May 14 16:14:40 psokolovsky: and on ARM this is complicated by every platform using a different offset for the parameters area May 14 16:14:55 hvontres|poodle, ah okk, didnt find any info on it at all, nor any about the others that are sold on eBay :x May 14 16:15:50 Furre: you might want to do a search in the oesf.org forums. May 14 16:16:09 koen you seen the openmoko-devel-image summoning in lm-sensors which then wats -liconv and fails? May 14 16:16:30 I have, and also found a list with models people have said to be working or not, but cant find any of those on ebay :x, oh well ^^ May 14 16:16:57 Furre: well, put in a lowball bid and see what happens May 14 16:17:06 XorA: I committed a fix for that a few minutes ago May 14 16:17:28 XorA: RP's patch is well intentioned, but wrong for distro's that used glibc's iconv May 14 16:17:44 hvontres|poodle, heh, well, they take the money on the shippingfee so its not very cheap at all :x May 14 16:18:03 koen: too fast for me man :-) May 14 16:18:14 XorA: zecke suggested making that patch uclibc specific May 14 16:19:03 * XorA suspects gllibc could be made significantly smalled if it had an option like --disable-old-kernel-support May 14 16:19:40 koen: Have you seen what that patch removed? What was there before was even worse and wouldn't work for any cross compiling May 14 16:19:43 --disable-drepper May 14 16:20:14 RP: like I said: well intentioned, but wrong for distro's that used glibc's iconv May 14 16:20:34 running ldconfig and grepping for iconv is pure evil May 14 16:21:10 koen: Thats what I thought and I decided anything was better :/ May 14 16:21:35 Furre: sweet on 99p pity the seller is lieing about postage May 14 16:22:28 ERROR: /home/gg/zaurus/org.openembedded.dev/packages/bluez/bluez-utils_3.10.1.bb:43: unparsed line: 'SDP server' while parsing /home/gg/zaurus/org.openembedded.dev/packages/bluez/bluez-utils_3.10.1.bb May 14 16:22:45 RP: removing -liconv and having and if PREFERRED_PROVIDER_libiconv == iconv then LDFLAGS += -liconv would be best May 14 16:22:49 XorA: yeah, but at least he's consistent :) May 14 16:22:52 XorA: didn't I just fix that as well? May 14 16:23:01 XorA, well, lots of people do that May 14 16:23:20 Furre: I know its so pissing off when people try and make profit on postage May 14 16:23:50 koen: Right :) May 14 16:23:54 hehe, Im very aware of it thought nowadays so I dont really find it supricing ;) May 14 16:24:04 koen: if you did, the change hasnt reached oe.org yet :-) May 14 16:24:24 koen: iconv is a mystery to me. I just intented to highlight the problem and at least fix some builds May 14 16:25:08 RP: I don't disagree with removing that line May 14 16:25:19 Furre: are you bidding on it? May 14 16:26:17 * koen resizes terminal May 14 16:28:45 XorA, nope, but will May 14 16:29:11 I am now :) May 14 16:29:12 Furre: cool, I was tempted, but you get first dibs May 14 16:29:23 hehe, well, I think the seller got more May 14 16:29:46 but maybe its best for me to check if itll work or not, after all, im usewd to ordering the wrong items now :x May 14 16:30:15 Furre: heh heh, that was just bad luck May 14 16:30:26 Furre: if only you had found channel 30m mins earlier May 14 16:30:41 Furre: hows your SMT soldering? May 14 16:30:53 not really, now im stuck with two Zaurus that didnt have the functions people told me, also got a CF-wifi card that is said not to work, and gah >.< May 14 16:31:02 there is something else wrong aswell just cant remember what it was xD May 14 16:31:09 Furre: 2 zaurus? May 14 16:31:10 XorA, what do you mean? May 14 16:31:12 yes >.< May 14 16:31:18 I missed some of the tale? May 14 16:31:46 Furre: well you could make a Fat 700 by modding the RAM chips May 14 16:31:49 First the C700 cause I was told it would be able to run alot more than it obviously was, so I ordered a C1000 cause I was told one could easilly insert a microdrive in it, but then I was told it didnt support a 2nd CF slot at all x.x May 14 16:32:14 :/ May 14 16:32:23 Furre: can put uDrive in main CF slot May 14 16:32:35 yes, but im planning to use wifi :x May 14 16:32:54 Furre: can put a usb-storage in usb port May 14 16:33:13 I know, but wanted it as a compact solution to have a webserver on it with the microdrive as a storage and swap :x May 14 16:33:27 but yeah, can connect my 400GB external drive to it probably :x May 14 16:33:45 not so portable thought ;x May 14 16:33:55 Furre: heh heh May 14 16:34:23 Furre: 4G SD cards should work soon May 14 16:35:03 yeah, but NAND is probably very bad to use with swapfile :/ May 14 16:35:16 microdrive is perfect since its not affected by numbers of write at all May 14 16:35:27 Furre: by the time you wear out the SD card swapping on it, it will be worth like 1£ anyway May 14 16:35:43 but it wears out mechanically May 14 16:35:55 XorA, probably, but I already have a microdrive I was planning ot use :x May 14 16:36:03 Furre: I have been swapping on SD for 2 years May 14 16:36:59 oh well :x, hmm, I wonder what to put in the un-used space inside the C1000 May 14 16:37:13 there is a blujetooth hack isnt there :-D May 14 16:37:16 nonused? hmm, whats the english word agian? >.o May 14 16:37:24 got no use for BT thought :x May 14 16:37:39 impress your girfriend May 14 16:38:03 * Furre isnt too much into other girls, but thanks ;X May 14 16:38:39 or boyfriend your choice :-) May 14 16:39:14 * Furre doesnt kinda want neither, bad experience xD May 14 16:39:40 Furre: I suddenly see a pattern here, something to do with aquisitions and luck May 14 16:39:41 oh well :x, dont got BT on my cellphone and havnt had any use for it either the last two years o.o May 14 16:39:52 * Furre ponders what aquisitions mean May 14 16:40:11 Furre: probably spelt wrong, but stuff you buy/obtain May 14 16:40:19 sorry, skills in english are kinda bad at times :/ May 14 16:40:28 ah, yeah, im known for my bad luck xD May 14 16:40:30 Furre: so are mine and Im a native :-) May 14 16:40:34 hehehe May 14 16:40:37 bloody scots May 14 16:40:48 you're scottish? :) May 14 16:41:16 Furre: english by birth, scottish by marriage May 14 16:41:46 aah ^^, hehe been there too :) May 14 16:41:54 and Ive actually live longer in scotland than I ever did in England :-D May 14 16:42:14 well, I liked scotland more than england so I salute you ^^ May 14 16:42:29 Furre: where did you visit? May 14 16:43:15 umh, one year was london and around london, and then another year it was kinda everywhere in scotland, edinbrough and then as far up as it gets, sorry, my memory is terrible so I cant remember all the places :x May 14 16:43:30 the highlands was neat thought ^^ May 14 16:44:08 oh yeah, we visited that famous sword too o.o May 14 16:44:34 * XorA lives within sight on Edinburgh May 14 16:45:59 http://fc01.deviantart.com/images/i/2003/44/c/4/Castle_in_Edinburgh.jpg May 14 16:46:00 ^^ May 14 16:46:05 took from the castle hehe :) May 14 16:48:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnV7Nydf9L4 <- haha, best song ever ;) May 14 16:49:17 rukiruki DANZEN! May 14 16:49:35 I wonder if he can actually speak any of the languages he tries to sing in xD May 14 16:51:18 oh well, atleast one of the Z I was able to pay with money earned in Second Life :x May 14 16:56:25 Is there a way to turn on the Z programaticaly ? Just try to tackle "my" bug May 14 16:58:02 Furre: two buildings to the left of the green scaffolding is my old office May 14 16:58:40 neat, maybe then we have eaten on the same burger king? xD May 14 16:58:52 RP: as your back, Zuse has been having problems with suspend/resume in Akita May 14 16:59:09 Furre: Burger King is now a HSBC bank May 14 16:59:21 o_o, aww May 14 16:59:32 good thing I captured it on a picture then! May 14 16:59:39 XorA: Is there a summary somewhere I can read? May 14 16:59:53 RP: he filed a bug May 14 16:59:59 Zuse: what was your bug number? May 14 17:00:03 oooooooohhhhhhhhh, yes I did ;) May 14 17:00:13 let me check May 14 17:00:32 2306 May 14 17:01:43 someone reported similar problems on a C3200 May 14 17:01:56 Zuse: I have a 3200 and havent noticed the problem May 14 17:03:00 Zuse: Ugly :/ May 14 17:03:11 Zuse: When you say Cacko worked, was that a 2.4 kernel? May 14 17:03:31 XorA: Maybe John Doo, did not face exact my problem. I know that several programs also can cause a hangup during resume. AFAIK KaPi and KoPi created some problems longer time ago May 14 17:04:12 There is some weird bug to do with cx000 resuming floating around affecting some devices and not others :/ May 14 17:04:16 RP: Yes as far as I know Cacko is only avaidable with 2.4 kernel May 14 17:04:38 Zuse: Do you leave it plugged into AC while suspended or not? Does it make a difference? May 14 17:05:07 koen: have you tried usbhost on Neo? May 14 17:05:56 My idea was to write a script which wakes up the Z periodically with increasing stand-by time and record the success resume/suspend cycles. By this way I will get the exact time at which my Z starts to die. May 14 17:06:17 Zuse: I'm not sure the exact time will help us :/ May 14 17:06:53 RP: No difference for pluuged and unplugged system as well as no difference for manual suspend and automatic suspend May 14 17:08:21 Zuse: I'm puzzled and I don't know what to suggest to help May 14 17:08:48 Zuse: We've had odd devices which have shown this kind of issue and I've run out of things to test that could be wrong :/ May 14 17:09:03 RP: Do you have a detailed view of what the Z does during suspending. Does there any different state exist ? May 14 17:09:05 The only thing I wonder about could be frequency or voltage scaling... May 14 17:09:38 Zuse: The PXA27x manual will tell you what there is to know May 14 17:10:00 reading tonight... ;) May 14 17:10:55 Zuse: How technical is your background? May 14 17:11:08 However, if I know the exact time (if there is any) at which the Z hangup. I will modify my script to let the Z wake up a little before and prevent crashing ;) Little work-around May 14 17:12:21 RP: From the point of electronic profesional, from the point of kernel hacking ... script-kiddy-status May 14 17:13:40 Zuse: Do let me know what you find out regarding the time (whether you find its constant or not)... May 14 17:14:23 I will as soon as I find out how to resume the Z by a script May 14 17:14:57 Set an alarm in the RTC May 14 17:15:48 I will try... May 14 17:15:54 Zuse: http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/temp/tests/rtctest.c is some example rtc code which may or may not help May 14 17:16:00 * RP -> afk May 14 17:17:11 * XorA unsuccessfully tries to shut down a neo May 14 17:19:32 RP: Thanks for the code, hmmm the mother of all modern languages C ;). I thought I just could write up a dirty script do what I need. May 14 17:22:03 XorA: haven't tried it yet May 14 17:23:06 XorA: well, nothing a swift removal of the battery couldn't cure :) May 14 17:30:03 is there anything on the C1000 that is better than the C3200? apart from having black paint? ^^ May 14 17:30:37 iirc it's a bit smaller May 14 17:33:58 specc that I found said it was the same size :x May 14 17:34:28 and its almost the same hardware aswell, just that C1000 obviously lack of some internal parts :x May 14 17:34:36 * XorA tries an angstrom-x11-image on neo May 14 17:35:24 Furre: it not just missing parts, you can not upgrade a C1000 to a C3200 unless you are very good in soldering since some ICs are missing May 14 17:36:24 thats the parts I was talking about Zuse ^^ May 14 17:36:35 Furre: However, some space left on the C1000 for "individual" hacks. May 14 17:37:06 I know, I was told the C1000 did have an internal slot that I would be able to use my microdrive in, its why I purchased it, but merf, doesnt :x May 14 17:37:14 I was wondering what too store at that space, maybe monies? xD May 14 17:37:43 Furre: AFAIK the C3200 is the hybrid of the C1000 (took the memory from) and the C3000 (took the HDD from) May 14 17:38:42 oh well, not going to buy anotherone, would be even more annoying with 3 Zaurus' >.< May 14 17:38:54 already got two ordered now, and also have to pay costums on both of them, gah >.< May 14 17:38:55 Furre: Internal wifi and bluetooth are reported. With a bit of soldering a GPS might fit as well or a little GSM or ... *starts-to-dream* :) May 14 17:39:31 Zuse, well, they still have to use some kind of connection that will make the others avaible useless? May 14 17:39:41 like, internal GPS would make the CF slot useless I think o.o May 14 17:39:48 Furre: Hey you could start to think of a Zaurus-cluster really cool !! May 14 17:40:15 nah, Im going to try to sell the C700, no use of it, just an annoying way to spend moniey :/ May 14 17:40:50 still waiting that the tomtom software will completely ported to the Z. Starting looked very promising but I guess this project is sleeping in the moment. May 14 17:40:52 or meh, probably no one whom even know what a zaurus is so Ill probably be stuck with it :( May 14 17:41:37 Furre: ebay will do the job May 14 17:41:45 Furre: put the cacko software on it and sell it as better than windoze May 14 17:41:45 Zuse: that wasn't a porting project May 14 17:41:56 yeah, for alot of less money than I bought it for :/ May 14 17:42:00 Zuse: that was "copy random binaries and hope it works" May 14 17:42:15 koen: sorry porting isn't right maybe transfer ;) May 14 17:42:32 any news from this transfer ? May 14 17:42:54 you'd be better of approaching tomtom directly May 14 17:43:38 isnt the GPS software avaible good enough, and free? o.o May 14 17:43:53 thought we do it like every were in the OS-world. Users does the work... companies starting to sell ... isn't it ? May 14 17:43:55 * koen knows at least one tomtom employee using OE to build stuff for his tomtoms May 14 17:45:07 Furre: I guess one of the most missing programm category in the Open-Source world is a real navigator software due to the lack of open source map material May 14 17:46:30 ah, but isnt there a GPS softwere for ångström that looked decent atleast? o.o May 14 17:46:51 maemo-mapper May 14 17:46:53 and I usally just copy-paste maps into bigger maps that I use xD May 14 17:46:57 whats that? o.o May 14 17:49:03 What is missing is not the representation of a map but the possibility to tell the program to drive from A to B within the shortest distance. For that it required vector based maps and some metadata not only a graphical representation. May 14 17:49:42 Zuse: try maemo-mapper May 14 17:50:27 it uses http://gnuite.com:8080/cgi-bin/gpx.cgi to get routes May 14 17:56:43 koen: Thanks for the info. At least it is a start already. Just thought, why my old lovely psion inluded a full navigation program but linux does not, strange world. May 14 19:25:32 koen: just booted Angstrom-x11-image on Neo :-D May 14 19:25:40 cool :) May 14 19:25:54 I bet it's a lot faster as the stock firmware May 14 19:26:22 * koen is waiting for cairo 1.4.8 to get even more performance improvements May 14 19:26:51 koen: yeah it actually seems to be usable May 14 19:26:55 * summatusmentis is wishing rural ME, US would get GSM May 14 19:28:18 summatusmentis: just go to school in the big city :) May 14 19:28:25 damn I just managed to turn backlight off May 14 19:29:06 hvontres|poodle: yep, that's the plan, sort of. I don't know, I've got a contract, maybe I can weasel my way out of it, give it to a sibling or something :-D May 14 19:29:45 * hvontres|poodle only has a go-phone :) May 14 19:29:46 ME is milwaukee? May 14 19:29:53 Maine May 14 19:29:55 koen: nope, Maint May 14 19:30:13 errr, what summatusmentis said :) May 14 19:30:18 I would have thought maine to have decent gsm May 14 19:30:26 nothing where I'm at May 14 19:30:36 but then again, silicon valley has the worst gsm reception ever May 14 19:30:51 even brazil has better gsm coverage May 14 19:31:17 yay and suspend works May 14 19:31:18 and mexico May 14 19:31:21 koen: I'm kinda in the middle of nowhere http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Sebec,+ME&ie=UTF8&ll=45.874712,-68.48877&spn=6.272377,14.216309&z=6&iwloc=addr&om=1 May 14 19:31:34 koen: I think you can thank Qualcomm and TDMA for that :) May 14 19:32:17 small town of 600, not even dsl availability May 14 19:33:01 that's so rural it doesn't even have google maps coverage May 14 19:35:06 pretty much May 14 19:35:38 koen: is it ok to add a angstron-phone-image that is basically x11-image with dialer/ May 14 19:40:28 XorA: I guess so May 14 19:42:01 Mem: 61876k total, 59468k used, 2408k free, 64k buffers May 14 19:42:02 Swap: 1052248k total, 319588k used, 732660k free, 5000k cached May 14 19:42:23 compiling takes quite some memory..... May 14 20:24:22 * XorA wonders how to get matchbox-panel-2 applets on matchbox-panel May 14 20:24:42 you can't May 14 20:24:56 mb-panel-2 applets are in-process applets May 14 20:31:13 XorA: I'm guessing you want the gsm plugin :) May 14 20:40:34 damnation scap.linuxtogo.org is still broken May 14 20:41:12 XorA: you'll need to bother florian for that May 14 20:46:46 I'm starting to think setting up a local feed is more trouble than it's worth May 14 20:54:09 why is the angstrom repo shitting itself? May 14 20:57:12 oh damn, it's ipkg May 14 21:03:49 summatusmentis: so what is the actual problem? May 14 21:03:54 shit my ADSL upstream sucks May 14 21:04:25 hvontres|poodle: I upgraded ipkg yesterday, and now I'm getting errors, hold on May 14 21:04:48 Downloading http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/base/libbluetooth2_3.10-r0_armv5te.ipk May 14 21:04:48 xsystem: ERROR: fork failed before execution: `wget --passive-ftp -q -P /tmp/ipkg-eoD1Cp http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/base/libbluetooth2_3.10-r0_armv5te.ipk' May 14 21:04:53 XorA: I think it's the 'A' that is the main problem :) May 14 21:05:12 Downloading http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/machine/spitz/base-files_3.0.14-r66_spitz.ipk May 14 21:05:12 ipkg: fork failed May 14 21:05:12 Segmentation fault May 14 21:05:30 summatusmentis: that looks like ipkg running out of memeory.... May 14 21:05:32 yeah, hvontres|poodle that's it May 14 21:06:03 summatusmentis: well, for a workaround, you could set up a swap file... May 14 21:06:11 hvontres|poodle: that doesn't make any sense, I'm not doing anything... May 14 21:06:41 summatusmentis: well, ipkg itself is kind of a memory hog... May 14 21:07:04 it's worked before... I'll reboot and see how that works out... May 14 21:10:08 hvontres|poodle: that seemed to fix it May 14 21:10:53 and now that I think about it, the cpu/mem applet was at about half mem usage May 14 21:13:19 koen: its quicker to load a pdf in epdfview than open a window in an openmokoe application May 14 21:13:44 summatusmentis: it parses in a whole bunch of text files. May 14 21:14:33 hvontres|poodle: yeah, but I haven't had this issue before May 14 21:14:56 summatusmentis: well, the new release may have made it worse... May 14 21:15:11 hrm... ok May 14 21:15:14 thanks May 14 21:15:41 summatusmentis: also, IIRC libipkg used to have a memory leak, so if you run ipkg repeatedly, it may make things worse too May 14 21:16:22 hvontres|poodle: alright, so I guess this is the first bug I've run into that halts usage :-D May 14 21:23:33 hvontres|poodle: stop eating yah poodles May 14 21:27:08 hi all May 14 21:34:27 koen: that would be nice May 14 21:34:27 maybe I run panel-2 at top of screen :-) May 14 21:40:47 XorA: I would, but I can't afford a bigger dog :) May 14 21:53:07 Could somebody help me creating an /etc/pcmcia/hostap_cs.conf entry for my wifi cf card? That's what pccardctl info is saying about it http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20872/ May 14 22:04:58 dcordes: looks like the entry for a D-link DWL-650 might work. (see http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/MyPal716Hardware ) May 14 22:06:46 CoreDump|home: Wb :) May 14 22:07:09 thanks May 14 22:07:37 CoreDump|home: so hows the new toy? May 14 22:07:43 hvontres|poodle, hey thanks for the hint. I already noticed that. It has the same hardware number or whatever it is called? May 14 22:08:12 hvontres|poodle, but that entry is already included in hostap_cs.conf May 14 22:08:15 hvontres|poodle: hot =) May 14 22:08:19 dcordes: i think so... I just googled for the chipset ID :) May 14 22:08:38 I need to fix altboot for it to boot the HDD =) May 14 22:09:08 CoreDump|home, may I ask what you got there? May 14 22:09:27 dcordes: a shiny SL-C3200 May 14 22:09:45 the console-image needs some TLC... May 14 22:09:50 CoreDump|home, gratz :) have fun with it. c1000 here May 14 22:09:58 dcordes: thanks =D May 14 22:11:54 hvontres|poodle, any idea why my intel card is not working while it has the same chipset identifier? May 14 22:11:54 CoreDump|home: well, I might have a new altboot toy for you by the end of the week :) Once I figure out a clean way to populate the menu list from the cmdline, I hsould have a working version of a menu for altboot. May 14 22:12:13 dcordes: no habla wifi...sorry May 14 22:12:42 no hablo ^^ May 14 22:12:43 hvontres|poodle: very nice! I'm looking forward to it May 14 22:13:19 dcordes: well, no hablo espaniol too well either....even tho I probaly should, living in SoCal :) May 14 22:13:49 CoreDump|home: heh..altboot with only three keys :) May 14 22:13:57 solo hablo un poco. what / where is SoCal? May 14 22:14:19 dcordes: Southern California... May 14 22:14:27 South of NoCal I assume :-) May 14 22:17:13 I live west of EaGer May 14 22:17:31 no habla starbucks May 14 22:18:38 alguien habla wifi? May 14 22:26:54 dcordes: for angstrom? May 14 22:28:28 Zero_Chaos, yep May 14 22:28:47 dcordes: it has been in the kernel for weeks. May 14 22:28:53 dcordes: months even May 14 22:29:09 Zero_Chaos, nice I didn't try May 14 22:29:59 dcordes: RP kernel has the patch, I gave it to him and he said, "sure why not" May 14 22:30:54 Zero_Chaos, sorry, who/what is RP? May 14 22:31:16 dcordes: RP kernel is what angstrom is using, and RP is Richard Purdy, very nice chap. May 14 22:31:23 he maintains the kernel for angstrom May 14 22:32:35 oh ok thanks May 14 22:33:21 he's pretty cool to include patched drivers :) May 14 22:38:43 meeeeehhhhhh May 14 22:38:57 dcordes: stop pming me May 14 22:39:03 !lart angstrom-console-image for not including wireless-tools May 14 22:39:03 * cdbot2 pulls out his louisville slugger and uses angstrom-console-image for not including wireless-tools's head to break the homerun record May 14 22:39:07 dcordes: and I'd guess it is 0.7 right now May 14 22:39:24 CoreDump|home: it's because zaurus devices don't define wifi in machine conf. May 14 22:39:31 Zero_Chaos, ok sorry May 14 22:39:38 CoreDump|home: please yell at someone, no one listens to me. May 14 22:39:49 dcordes: I'll have the newest up there in a day or so, I've been busy May 14 22:40:29 Zero_Chaos, did you think about adding mdk3? May 14 22:40:44 well, the kernel-drivers are already in the image so I don't see the problem adding wireless-tools May 14 22:40:52 dcordes: mdk2 is there, latest (without bugs) May 14 22:41:00 dcordes: mdk3 will be added, but likely not today May 14 22:41:22 Zero_Chaos, that all sounds pretty good :) May 14 22:41:27 the ones on the website have wireless-tools in console-image May 14 22:41:52 my build is 2 days old ;) May 14 22:42:11 CoreDump|home: how old is your .dev tree :) May 14 22:42:15 koen: nice to post a hacked up image instead of the normal build...at least the hacked up one works May 14 22:43:20 I don't think committing my change to OE is acceptable and marcin is working on a different approach May 14 22:43:24 no worries, the problem will get fixed eventually May 14 22:43:41 CoreDump|home: I reported the bug ~2 months ago. May 14 22:43:54 it isn't a real bug May 14 22:44:03 it's a wishlist item May 14 22:44:10 yeah yeah, that's what the response is. May 14 22:44:19 but as useful as a pda with no wifi is.... May 14 22:44:37 could waste 100k of my 128MB or flash and install wireless-tools either way May 14 22:44:39 Zero_Chaos: well, you could always install them by hand for now :) May 14 22:44:45 hvontres|poodle: as I do. May 14 22:45:13 point is, it's a PITA, and should be "fixed", wishlist or not, takes 2 minutes May 14 22:46:33 ah there is also an irssi in the repositories. very nice May 14 22:46:43 actually that is more a philosophical problem than a technical one. The zauruses do not ship w/ wifi hardware so they should _not_ claim so in their machine.conf. The sole question is whether Anstrom wants to include wifi stuff in its console-image May 14 22:47:24 Zero_Chaos: well, the problem is that on some other machines, 100K here, 100K there soon adds up to more that some of the smaller machines can handle in flash May 14 22:48:15 Zero_Chaos, will there be an aircrack-ptw? May 14 22:48:59 dcordes: no, aircrack-ptw is included in aircrack-ng now May 14 22:50:05 seems like i'm kind of outdated- is it also in the ipk? May 14 22:50:40 hvontres|poodle: the machines in question are Zaurus models, in OZ all had wifi stuff built-in. was not an uissue then. May 14 22:51:03 dcordes: aircrack-ng 0.9 includes a ptw attack May 14 22:52:30 Zero_Chaos, can you tell me which packages I need to install in order to be able to compile it? May 14 22:53:11 dcordes: to compile aircrack-ng on the Zaurus? I'd imagine gcc would do it. May 14 22:53:21 or you could wait a few days and I'll have it done May 14 22:54:20 Zero_Chaos, that's all? Well I want to try now May 14 22:54:25 too much time May 14 22:56:34 try it on your linux computer instead of the zaurus then May 14 22:57:17 :( May 14 23:14:06 what is misisng when gcc is looking for execvp? May 14 23:14:40 dunno. May 14 23:15:12 gcc: error trying to exec 'as' : execvp: No such file or directory May 14 23:15:35 you don't have "as" and I have no idea what that is May 14 23:18:34 Zero_Chaos, I instaled make, gcc and its dependencies. Anything missing there? May 14 23:18:55 apparently so, you are missing 'as' May 14 23:20:33 btw, the splash screen thingy w/ progress bar rocks May 14 23:23:55 i'm off later May 15 01:44:47 Does anybody ever use the serial port on the Zaurus SL-5500? May 15 01:45:00 I need to transmit 5-bit frames with even parity and two stop bits at 1200 baud... May 15 01:45:32 ...and, no matter what I do, the UART sends 8-bit frames May 15 01:46:00 I'm wondering if this is a kernel issue or a hardware limitation May 15 01:46:47 enginuitor, you should probably try tomorrow during the day sometime... you'll get more devs May 15 01:46:52 OK **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 15 02:59:58 2007