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May 20 03:57:03 <alaya> just put 20070507 spitz on a c3200.  working great.
May 20 10:27:33 <Furre> http://ufos85.mine.nu/saljes/oe-forumwierd.jpg <- Anyone know howto fix OE forum to not look like this? it looks fine in IE but I cant get to see the post at the same time in Firefox
May 20 13:31:10 <CoreDump|home> hi
May 20 14:27:34 <CoreDump|home> Zero_Chaos: adding wifi-tools is rather tricky. It would require adding it to angstrom.conf as machine.conf is out of the question. I would rather not touch angstrom.conf as "certain" developers are kinda touchy feely about it. It would probably result in endless discussions
May 20 14:34:01 <dcordes> CoreDump|home, when will the angstrom-distribution.org website be back online?
May 20 14:34:25 <CoreDump|home> good question
May 20 14:45:31 <Crofton__> hmm, the disk blow?
May 20 15:07:10 <dcordes> Zero_Chaos, I can't install the aircrack-ng_0.9_arm.ipk. ipkg is demanding hostap-modules-rawtx and hostap-modules-cs-rawtx
May 20 15:07:18 <dcordes> which can't be satisfied
May 20 15:21:02 <dcordes> Zero_Chaos, didn't you tell me the required drivers were included in the kernel?
May 20 16:18:15 <dcordes> SonicvanaJr, which distro do you run on your zaurus?ß
May 20 16:46:08 <Furrre> can ångström run X? o.o
May 20 16:47:48 <dcordes> Furrre, yes
May 20 16:49:12 <Furrre> was wondering if ångström came with it by default of if its a seperate package
May 20 16:49:28 <summatusmentis> Furrre: the angstrom-x11-image has x preinstalled
May 20 16:50:51 <Furrre> where can I find that? cant find it in the akita directory
May 20 16:51:04 <summatusmentis> hold on, i'll look in a bit
May 20 16:51:14 <clearer|away> anyone know if there is an image for ipaq h3800s?
May 20 16:51:21 <Furrre> summatusmentis, alright, thanks :)
May 20 16:52:29 <Furre> still havnt recived my Z yet due to bad postalservice here, but just wanted to be somewhat prepaired when reciving it :)
May 20 16:52:40 <dcordes> Furrre, clearer here you go
May 20 16:52:41 <dcordes> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/
May 20 16:52:45 <summatusmentis> Furre: for some reason, they didn't provide an x11 image for the most recent snapshot
May 20 16:52:47 <summatusmentis> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/akita/20070507/
May 20 16:52:55 <dcordes> sorry 
May 20 16:53:01 <dcordes> clearer, i mean
May 20 16:53:15 <Furre> summatusmentis, oh! thats why I didnt find it, thanks :)
May 20 16:53:26 <dcordes> summatusmentis, do you know when the next snapshot will be released?
May 20 16:53:30 <clearer> heh :-) I had a look at that already, problem is there isn't any explicitly saying it works for h3800s
May 20 16:53:58 <summatusmentis> dcordes: nope, I'm not a dev, just a user that's pushy :-P
May 20 16:54:26 <dcordes> ok ^^
May 20 16:54:53 <dcordes> clearer, which distro do you use right now?
May 20 16:55:03 <summatusmentis> dcordes: but the feeds are updated, so you could just get an older image and run ipkg upgrade
May 20 16:55:42 <dcordes> summatusmentis, what I'm missing right now is a more recent version of gstreamer
May 20 16:55:44 <clearer> dcordes: familliar 0.8.4
May 20 16:55:58 <summatusmentis> dcordes: ah
May 20 16:56:11 <dcordes> which is required for pidgin
May 20 16:57:40 <summatusmentis> clearer: there seems to be a feed setup for that machine, have you considered setting up OE?
May 20 16:58:01 <summatusmentis> dcordes: why pidin? there is a gaim 2.0beta6 in the feeds
May 20 16:58:05 <summatusmentis> pidgin*
May 20 16:58:13 <dcordes> summatusmentis, I wanted to try it
May 20 16:58:20 <summatusmentis> mmm
May 20 16:58:35 <dcordes> but I didn't notice the recent gaim version
May 20 16:58:39 <summatusmentis> ugh, I need to resetup OE :-/
May 20 16:58:54 <summatusmentis> dcordes: yeah, afaik, it's the same thing
May 20 16:58:54 <dcordes> why?
May 20 16:59:18 <dcordes> yea I only noticed optical changes in the pidgin release
May 20 16:59:25 <dcordes> (on my desktop box)
May 20 17:00:25 <summatusmentis> optical? what do you mean?
May 20 17:00:38 <summatusmentis> because I moved OE to a new partition, and it borked things
May 20 17:01:02 <clearer> pidgin = gaim btw. Gaim was forced to change it's name...
May 20 17:01:02 <dcordes> summatusmentis, it's all purple.
May 20 17:01:08 <dcordes> clearer, aol yes
May 20 17:01:23 <summatusmentis> dcordes: are you serious? it's purple?
May 20 17:01:25 <dcordes> they didn't like the aim in the name
May 20 17:01:34 <dcordes> summatusmentis, and has a pidgeon as logo
May 20 17:01:36 <clearer> so why the fuzz about using pidgin vs. using gaim?
May 20 17:01:49 <clearer> actually, it was AOL who didn't like it.. but that's a detail
May 20 17:01:55 <dcordes> clearer, maybe because there won't be any more gaim versions coming out
May 20 17:02:01 <clearer> lol
May 20 17:02:10 <summatusmentis> well, regardless, at this point, gaim == pidgin
May 20 17:02:22 <dcordes> at the moment, yes
May 20 17:03:46 <dcordes> summatusmentis, which device do you use?
May 20 17:03:54 <summatusmentis> dcordes: terrier, 3200
May 20 17:05:25 <dcordes> nice
May 20 17:05:51 <clearer> I assume that there is no h3800 image available -- if I want one, I need to figure out how to build it myself, right?
May 20 17:05:52 <dcordes> together with a 4gb sd you have almost 10g on it, right?
May 20 17:06:13 <dcordes> clearer, you could try an image for a similar model
May 20 17:06:20 <clearer> none there
May 20 17:06:48 <clearer> The only two series (ipaq) which resembles it is the 3600 and 3900 -- which isn't there
May 20 17:07:16 <summatusmentis> dcordes: if I had a 4gb SD, I'd have 10gb
May 20 17:07:31 <summatusmentis> clearer: it's looking like you'll have to build your own image
May 20 17:07:37 <dcordes> summatusmentis, I think I will get one for my akita
May 20 17:07:50 <clearer> guess I have to
May 20 17:08:06 <summatusmentis> dcordes: yeah, that's what i'd do to maximize akita
May 20 17:08:20 <summatusmentis> clearer: bear in mind that's it's not as simple as just building an ipk
May 20 17:08:31 <summatusmentis> I screwed up the NAND on my 3200 trying to build an image
May 20 17:08:43 <clearer> that's great -- I never tried building an ipk :-)
May 20 17:08:50 <clearer> crap
May 20 17:09:09 <summatusmentis> you could always bug someone for an image too, and offer testing
May 20 17:09:34 <clearer> yeah... guess I could.. which would require me to find someone who has an image... or is willing to build one
May 20 17:09:56 <summatusmentis> well, the devs are more experienced in building images, so I'd talk to them
May 20 17:11:03 <dcordes> summatusmentis, so that's the right place to ask
May 20 17:11:04 <dcordes> isn't it?ß
May 20 17:11:25 <summatusmentis> dcordes: yeah, I think so, you could try #oe, but they're a bit more hostile
May 20 17:12:31 <dcordes> summatusmentis, did I get things right that it is possible to build ipks from my desktop?
May 20 17:13:03 <summatusmentis> dcordes: yeah, www.openembedded.org/GettingStarted
May 20 17:13:12 <summatusmentis> you need linux, but I assume you've got that
May 20 17:13:23 <dcordes> summatusmentis, no I'm using windows vista only
May 20 17:13:28 <clearer> a BSD isn't good enough?
May 20 17:13:36 <summatusmentis> clearer: I'm not sure...
May 20 17:13:42 <summatusmentis> dcordes: you need linux to do that
May 20 17:13:42 <clearer> dcordes: you must be joking...
May 20 17:13:54 <dcordes> right
May 20 17:14:27 <summatusmentis> joke
May 20 17:14:28 <summatusmentis>  
May 20 17:14:28 <summatusmentis>  
May 20 17:14:31 <summatusmentis> O
May 20 17:14:32 <dcordes> maybe there are complete windows users, buying a zaurus and installing unstable angstrom images on it
May 20 17:14:33 <summatusmentis> |
May 20 17:14:45 <summatusmentis> fuck, nvm, dcordes cut off my person
May 20 17:15:03 <summatusmentis> it's possible, but setting up OE requires linux
May 20 17:15:14 <clearer> I don't think there has ever been a worse operating system than vista.. even win95 is preferable
May 20 17:15:29 <summatusmentis> that I would disagree w/
May 20 17:15:37 <dcordes> clearer, don't you want aero :)
May 20 17:15:38 <summatusmentis> any apple OS prior to X was bad
May 20 17:15:51 <clearer> dcordes: why would I want it?
May 20 17:16:06 <dcordes> clearer, you have to think windows
May 20 17:16:22 <clearer> oh.. sorry.. let me just get rid of my brain then..
May 20 17:16:28 <CoreDump|home> beryl/compiz ftw =)
May 20 17:16:35 <summatusmentis> mickeyl: afaik, there's no 3800 image is there?
May 20 17:16:42 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|home++
May 20 17:17:25 <mickeyl> ?
May 20 17:17:34 <dcordes> summatusmentis, are there no debian packages for the OE build enviornment?
May 20 17:17:35 * mickeyl out of the loop, please give me some weeks to dive in
May 20 17:18:12 <summatusmentis> dcordes: nope, I mean, mostly it's just setting up the cross compile env, you can get some of the things you need from debian
May 20 17:18:31 <summatusmentis> mickeyl: oh, sorry. I've just seen your name, and assumed you were all knowing and all powerful
May 20 17:19:43 <dcordes> apt-get install openembedded-essential
May 20 17:20:18 <CoreDump|home> !praise hrw for that
May 20 17:20:19 * cdbot2 bows down to hrw for that and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
May 20 17:20:24 <clearer> that's the one reason why I'm considering switching to debian
May 20 17:20:34 <summatusmentis> really? last time I tried on debian, it wasn't there
May 20 17:20:58 <CoreDump|home> this .deb is hosted on oe.org
May 20 17:21:25 <summatusmentis> yeah, I didn't know that existed
May 20 17:22:45 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|home: how goes altboot? you had me scared w/ the newest version there
May 20 17:22:57 <summatusmentis> you changed the menu numbers, and it tried to boot flash for me the first time
May 20 17:23:06 <dcordes> summatusmentis, it is not in the ubuntu 7.04 repositories
May 20 17:23:25 <summatusmentis> dcordes: right, hosted on oe.org
May 20 17:23:33 <dcordes> oops i just noticed the oe repo ^^
May 20 17:23:40 <CoreDump|home> summatusmentis: =) 1 will be "Default" again
May 20 17:24:21 <summatusmentis> well, it kept my prior setting of 1, and threw some error about not recognizing jffs2, I almost shat myself :-P
May 20 17:24:36 <CoreDump|home> hehe
May 20 17:25:09 <CoreDump|home> I expected that for default OZ/Angstrom kernels
May 20 17:26:11 <summatusmentis> mmm
May 20 17:28:00 <CoreDump|home> altboot will have to wait a week, now is angstrom fixing day
May 20 17:28:12 <summatusmentis> YAY!!!
May 20 17:28:16 <summatusmentis> :-P
May 20 17:36:38 <CoreDump|home> koen: mickeyl: all: As angstrom is going to run on a boatload of different devices I recommend adding angstrom_${MACHINE}.inc's inc "include" them in angstom*.conf Otherwise angstrom.con is going to be flooded w/ machine overrides
May 20 17:41:32 <psokolovsky> CoreDump|home: hmm. what settings do you expect there?
May 20 17:41:49 <CoreDump|home> also the avahi thingy should probably part of a *net or *usb task
May 20 17:42:16 <summatusmentis> what is avahi?
May 20 17:42:43 <CoreDump|home> psokolovsky: overrides for DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS come to mind. What makes sense on one machine (ie: wifi for all Zauruses) doesn't make any sense on other machines
May 20 17:43:32 <psokolovsky> CoreDump|home: that's why there's <machine>.conf - those are machine overrides.
May 20 17:44:30 <psokolovsky> it's generally bad idea to leave big room for machine distro overrides - having them in the first place is the road to hell
May 20 17:44:36 <CoreDump|home> machine.conf handles the built-in h/w of the machine. And as no Z (except tosa) has built-on wifi, adding wifi there would only mess up minimal-image and friends
May 20 17:44:45 <psokolovsky> working towards minimizing them is what's worth effort
May 20 17:45:27 <CoreDump|home> psokolovsky: but you have to realise that you can't possibly have a "one-size-fits-all" image for all supported devices?
May 20 17:45:39 <psokolovsky> CoreDump|home: things like minimal-image should explciitly control each package installed at all. because otherwise, it won't be minimal at all.
May 20 17:46:54 <psokolovsky> CoreDump|home: possibly, not yet. but walking that direction is better than continuing accepting fact that we must have device-adhockery infected mess
May 20 17:46:59 <CoreDump|home> psokolovsky: that's why machine.conf is only supposed to specify the machines specs, and not more. At least that was what I've been told in the past. And the minimal-* images heavily depend in machine.conf to just include what's required to boot the thing and enable its h/w
May 20 17:47:32 <CoreDump|home> psokolovsky: per-device polish is alway ++++ generic-image
May 20 17:49:22 <CoreDump|home> as it is now, there is no way to include wifi stuff for all Zs in console-image w/o working against some policy
May 20 17:50:04 <psokolovsky> CoreDump|home: well, I don't know what it was in the past, but since MACHINE_FEATURES introduction, machine conf's specify *all* machine features, in a declarative way. it's up to machine task provider to interpret them, and task-base interpret it as "provide support for all machine/distro features"
May 20 17:50:20 <CoreDump|home> psokolovsky: exactly
May 20 17:50:28 <psokolovsky> CoreDump|home: that's because there's no such thing as "Z's" really. it's only marketing name.
May 20 17:50:30 <CoreDump|home> but no Z comes w/ built-on WIFI
May 20 17:50:50 <CoreDump|home> wifi is not a MACHINE_FEATURE of a Zaurus
May 20 17:52:30 <CoreDump|home> psokolovsky: I'm just saying that a) There _must_ be a way to optimise the distribution for the install-target w/o touching machine.conf as machine.conf can be used by other distros as well
May 20 17:52:59 <CoreDump|home> and b) a machine mentor should know best what to include, change or remove from the default image for his machine
May 20 17:53:20 <psokolovsky> CoreDump|home: then it works like that: if machine has CF (pcmcia), and distro supports wifi, then task-base install *all* possible wifi pcmcia drivers. And that's right for full-fledged distro purpose. Of course, it's not fully right for minimal image, that's why I told that it will anyway need to specify packages to install exlicitly to eb really minimal.
May 20 17:55:13 <psokolovsky> CoreDump|home: I exactly argue the opposite - Debian does not "optimize" their distro for "Asus J-4-mp" motherboard, so it's waste of effort and user experience to optmize distro for specific PDA motherboard. that's how it was for years, with the results we have now - few devices are supproted at all, all have this or that issue.
May 20 17:55:35 <CoreDump|home> by that logic you'd have pull in every h/w task that is available for CF (modems, wifi, storage/IDE whatever)
May 20 17:56:54 <CoreDump|home> we are talking about (mostly!) embedded stuff here. A fixed hardware platform that will never change. Not optimising for such an easy target is wrong IMO.
May 20 17:57:13 <psokolovsky> CoreDump|home: yep. fortunately, that "all" are just modular kernel drivers.
May 20 17:57:13 <CoreDump|home> but I see your point of course
May 20 17:57:34 <CoreDump|home> psokolovsky: you forgot userspace stuff
May 20 17:57:53 <CoreDump|home> also "all" drivers can fill up a rootfs real quick :\
May 20 17:58:24 <psokolovsky> CoreDump|home: never change? you must be kidding. new devices come out every week! and what "time to market", sorry for buzzword, to support new device? years? sorry, that doesn't work ;-)
May 20 17:59:06 <psokolovsky> userspace stuff fortunately the same - if it's wifi pcmcia, you need to have pcmciautils, iwfconfig, and possible wpa-supplciant - for any hw.
May 20 18:00:10 <CoreDump|home> psokolovsky: I was talking about specific MACHINEs. Like...err...a Zaurus SL-C3200. Its hardware will _never_ change
May 20 18:00:13 <CoreDump|home> (disconnect sorry)
May 20 18:00:43 <CoreDump|home> it of course cool to ship generic images for generic machines, but what is the point of having machine mentors when they hardly can do anything?
May 20 18:06:28 <psokolovsky> CoreDump|home: machine mentors should QA stuff, and support users. they should not be able to hack on distro images for specific devices - only RFC somthing for the whole distro, via communication with other mentors and applying their ideas to other devices.
May 20 18:08:00 <CoreDump|home> I guess we have a very different view about mentoring
May 20 18:08:24 <psokolovsky> CoreDump|home: I understand you point fo view very well of course ;-). I'd call it typical PoV of Zaurus feud of embedded realm ;-). You're good at enjoying it, having handful of out-of-market devices. But it's utterly doesn't scale. What would you suggest hh.org which maintains ports for 30 devices? drool over each of them? but that's stright impossible!
May 20 18:10:02 <CoreDump|home> psokolovsky: No, I'm saying that if $MENTOR for MACHINE_A wants to optimise the images for _his_ machine, so that - in the end - MACHINE_A runs very well w/ Angstrom, he should be allowed to do it. The other machines just use the default images w/o optimisation.
May 20 18:10:31 <CoreDump|home> lazy/busy mentor = generic image
May 20 18:12:46 <CoreDump|home> I guess we will have to agree to disagree
May 20 18:13:16 <psokolovsky> CoreDump|home: np. but what I'm saying is not that there should be no optimization, just that there should be such optmizations which benefits *all*, not one machine. that of course takes to accept that images may contain a bit more packages than a specific *person* (even if he's mentor) needs.
May 20 18:13:54 <CoreDump|home> which ignores the needs of embedded devices w/ very low flash rootfs
May 20 18:14:42 <CoreDump|home> x11-image for a spitz w/ 6Gb HDD should be _very_ different than the same image for a device w/ 32mb rootfs
May 20 18:16:38 <CoreDump|home> anyway, bbl
May 20 18:17:14 <psokolovsky> CoreDump|home: there're also h3600 & h1910 with low flash - please don't exclude them from your efforts ;-)
May 20 18:17:33 <CoreDump|home> different name, same problem =)
May 20 18:20:03 <summatusmentis> oh crap, he just left
May 20 18:32:52 <summatusmentis> and we're back
May 20 18:55:45 <dcordes> where does ipkg save the downloaded .ipk by default?
May 20 19:24:06 <Freak_NL> A lot of packages build locales for all languages in OE, can this be limited? GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES is already set to only four languages
May 20 19:24:51 <Freak_NL> (I'm building Ångström locally)
May 20 19:36:29 <clearer> am I right in assuming that OpenEmbedded will build a cross compiling tool chain, on it's own?
May 20 19:50:54 <Crofton> clearer, that is correct
May 20 19:51:18 <clearer> cool
May 20 19:56:18 <p13> hello
May 20 19:56:38 <clearer> hello
May 20 19:56:58 <p13> i'd like to try angstrom on my 770
May 20 19:57:01 <p13> any pointers ?
May 20 20:10:14 <p13> hmmm ... i see :)
May 20 20:17:53 <Freak_NL> Have you found the wiki and the mailinglist archives?
May 20 20:18:01 <p13> i found the wiki
May 20 20:18:06 <p13> doesn't say much about the 770
May 20 20:50:58 <clearer> there is an image for it, so you should be able to just use that
May 20 21:57:25 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: that's not my ipk, but you can force --nodeps
May 20 21:57:48 <Zero_Chaos> CoreDump|home: you identified many ways you cannot do it, what can you do?
May 20 21:58:21 <dcordes> Zero_Chaos, is that reffering to my problem with the pidgin installation?
May 20 21:58:32 <CoreDump|home> I could fix it, I'm just not going to
May 20 21:58:37 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: Niet, the aircrack-ng 0.9
May 20 21:58:48 <dcordes> oh ok
May 20 21:58:49 <CoreDump|home> Zero_Chaos: see my comment above
May 20 21:59:07 <Zero_Chaos> CoreDump|home: I keep a log, I see all.  What can I do, who should I talk to?
May 20 21:59:45 <CoreDump|home> koen probably
May 20 22:02:04 <Zero_Chaos> koen: PING
May 20 22:02:40 <Zero_Chaos> CoreDump|home: I always appreciate cheap hacks to solve my problems, but I really don't see why everyone else should remain fuct
May 20 22:03:14 <Zero_Chaos> CoreDump|home: What is funny, is the images available on the website have wireless-tools but if you build it yourself it doesn't... so Angstrom is handing out a lie.
May 20 22:03:19 * Zero_Chaos shakes his head
May 20 22:03:26 <Zero_Chaos> If you can't trust your distro, who can you trust?
May 20 22:03:32 <CoreDump|home> there was an enlightening discussion w/ psokolovsky about this as well
May 20 22:03:44 <Zero_Chaos> CoreDump|home: I read, I didn't feel enlightened.
May 20 22:04:33 <CoreDump|home> it boils down to the fact that you are not allowed for any exception from the generic images for specific devices
May 20 22:05:07 * Zero_Chaos is confused.
May 20 22:05:37 <CoreDump|home> And I _really_ have neither the time, nor the nerves for the resulting endless and mindless discussions resulting from this awful "policy"
May 20 22:06:43 <psokolovsky> ... for any exceptions not related to the devices themselves (== their hardware). user space obviously doesn't depend on hardware.
May 20 22:07:03 <CoreDump|home> I'm going to roll my own angstrom-based distro and that's that for me
May 20 22:07:09 <psokolovsky> and I can't say that's policy, but it's pretty much how ansgtrom images *are* built
May 20 22:07:41 <psokolovsky> so, changing that, would require good discussion, and if you don't have time for that, then it might remain that way as well...
May 20 22:07:41 <Zero_Chaos> What would it take to get wireless-tools(,etc) installed in ALL x11 and e images?
May 20 22:08:15 <Zero_Chaos> I can understand not wanting to add stuff to the minimal images when the hardware doesn't support it, but for x11 and e images, wirelesstools should be there
May 20 22:08:18 <psokolovsky> CoreDump|home: no wonder. everyone is going ;-E. that's why we'll keep having chaos we already have been having for years ;-)
May 20 22:08:18 <Zero_Chaos> period
May 20 22:09:10 <psokolovsky> CoreDump|home: uou listen? somebody think wireless tools should be even on devices which don't have wifi. opinions, opinions... ;-)
May 20 22:09:20 <Zero_Chaos> psokolovsky: I am the one who made this request, and I really don't want to roll my own, I can do that easily enough, but I want others to benefit.
May 20 22:09:50 <Zero_Chaos> psokolovsky: I can't built an x11-image without kismet being built, but you bitch about wireless-tools?
May 20 22:10:07 <psokolovsky> Zero_Chaos: devices which doesn't have wifi builtin, or means to add one externally, don't have godo reasons to have wireless tools installed.
May 20 22:10:20 <Zero_Chaos> psokolovsky: then why is kismet built????????
May 20 22:10:29 <psokolovsky> Zero_Chaos: it is not
May 20 22:10:41 <Zero_Chaos> it isn't put into the image, but it was built
May 20 22:10:52 <Zero_Chaos> which in and of itself it ludacris
May 20 22:11:44 <CoreDump|home> psokolovsky: As long as Angstrom wants to ship generic images for all devices there is nothing to discuss, really.
May 20 22:12:14 <CoreDump|home> I like hacking, I just don't like endless talking about it. 
May 20 22:12:16 * Zero_Chaos is sad to see that he must make a -zc image.... again.
May 20 22:12:33 <psokolovsky> CoreDump|home: well, that depends on what maintainers/contributors will come to, that's why we discuss it...
May 20 22:12:38 <Zero_Chaos> CoreDump|home: agreed... I get real bored of trying to help, real fast... then I serve myself
May 20 22:13:33 <psokolovsky> Zero_Chaos: that's common problem. people want to do sth real fast, but what's required is sustained maintenance.
May 20 22:14:10 <Zero_Chaos> psokolovsky: i've been putting stuff on the bugtracker for years that works and some of it isn't added for all I can see is no reason.
May 20 22:14:36 <Zero_Chaos> I'm going back to my original thought, I'll do what I damn well please, and post what I do on the bug tracker, you can all do what you like from there
May 20 22:14:40 <psokolovsky> Zero_Chaos: do you mean OE bugtracker?
May 20 22:14:40 <dcordes> how can I see all dependencies of a present .ipk file?
May 20 22:15:03 <Zero_Chaos> psokolovsky: yeah
May 20 22:16:04 <psokolovsky> Zero_Chaos: well, cool. I guess, main reason it wasn't put is lack of resources, not sth else. I'm sure, most your stuff will be in. And anyway, your plan is good on its own. thanks.
May 20 22:16:27 <psokolovsky> dcordes: one easy way is to look at ipk's control file
May 20 22:17:02 <dcordes> psokolovsky, is that in the ipk? How can I get it out of there?
May 20 22:17:39 <psokolovsky> dcordes: yes. if you use decent file manager, like mc, just descend into it. otherwise, ar + tar are your friends.
May 20 22:18:25 <dcordes> psokolovsky, is the package called mc?
May 20 22:18:48 <psokolovsky> dcordes: yeah, on most distros. it's midnight commander.
May 20 22:19:16 <dcordes> midnight? :)
May 20 22:20:05 <psokolovsky> yup ;-)
May 20 22:21:48 <dcordes> omg, ipkg is going crazy
May 20 22:22:23 <dcordes> obviously my outraging akita internal flash ran low
May 20 22:38:55 <dcordes> Zero_Chaos, that 0.9 ipk from aircrack-ng.org is strange somehow. all I get is aircrack-ng: not found (this applies to all other aircrack components) although it is in /usr/bin/
May 20 22:58:36 <dcordes> bye all
May 20 23:32:52 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|afk: ping
May 20 23:35:19 <summatusmentis> does anyone else have sound working on spitz(or compatible)?
May 20 23:43:25 <alaya> sound...   how to test?
May 20 23:45:22 <summatusmentis> alaya: apparently the setting that is in place when flashing is incorrect
May 20 23:45:32 <summatusmentis> playing w/ alsa conf fixes it, but I can't get it to work
May 21 01:26:58 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|afk: ping?
May 21 01:29:27 <Zero_Chaos> someone with commit access be my friend?
May 21 01:29:29 <Zero_Chaos> !oebug 2350
May 21 01:29:30 <cdbot2> * * Bug 2350, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-05-20 18:25
May 21 01:29:31 <cdbot2> * * r.farina(AT)adelphia.net: Aircrack-ng
May 21 01:29:32 <cdbot2> * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2350
May 21 01:30:13 <summatusmentis> why not post the patch in the bugtracker?
May 21 01:30:34 <Zero_Chaos> summatusmentis: talking to me? I did post it in bugtracker, I posted the reciepe
May 21 01:30:41 <Zero_Chaos> summatusmentis: I need someone to commit it to the repo
May 21 01:31:34 <summatusmentis> Zero_Chaos: yeah... if  the .bb file is posted in the bugtracker, someone will take care of it
May 21 01:31:40 <summatusmentis> I would assume
May 21 01:32:20 <Zero_Chaos> summatusmentis: it's there, i just wanted it commited sooner rather than later
May 21 01:33:26 <summatusmentis> mmm... yeah, I don't know, I don't have commit access or I'd do it
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