**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 28 02:59:56 2007
May 28 04:23:40 <zonyl> I pulled the lastest out of trunk and altboot menu appeared.  Im going to try to dump an image on the SD and see how far it gets
May 28 04:33:25 <summatusmentis> zonyl: CoreDump|afk's version isn't in OE yet
May 28 04:33:42 <summatusmentis> assuming you're talking about altboot
May 28 07:06:13 <NAbyss> Is there any recommended way to remove a package from the angstrom-XYZ-image? I'm adding openssh, but that conflicts with dropbear.. is there a clean way to remove dropbear from the package list?
May 28 07:46:25 <XorA> morning
May 28 07:47:12 <Zero_Chaos> XorA: morning
May 28 07:58:42 <Freak_NL> Laibsch: I have SCIM working now, at least the core part. Next up are Tomoe 0.5.0, scim-tomoe, a recent Anthy (should be able to build on the existing recipes) and scim-anthy.
May 28 07:59:06 <Freak_NL> I'll post a link to the recipes and patches for scim-1.4.6
May 28 07:59:43 <Freak_NL> NAbyss: ipkg remove dropbear?
May 28 08:15:13 <Freak_NL> If anyone wants to try SCIM (no input modules besides RAW CODE and basic input) ipkg's are now available, but only tested on a Z 3200
May 28 08:15:44 <Freak_NL> ftp://jeroenhoek.nl/www/Files/Angstrom/software
May 28 08:34:41 <aa_> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/ <-- are any of these x86 ?
May 28 08:35:45 <XorA> aa_: guiness and progrear AFAIK
May 28 08:36:27 <aa_> thanks
May 28 09:05:16 <Laibsch> Zero_Chaos: Your FTP server seems to be overloaded?
May 28 09:05:24 <Laibsch> Is it accepting connections at all?
May 28 09:19:22 <NAbyss> Freak_NL: Doesn't help when attempting to build an image with openssh preinstalled
May 28 09:32:22 <Freak_NL> Laibsch: the recipe for scim is on my FTP as well
May 28 09:47:36 <Laibsch> Freak_NL: It it was only accessible ;-)
May 28 09:48:11 <Freak_NL> ah, wrong likn
May 28 09:48:26 <Freak_NL> http://www.jeroenhoek.nl/Files/Angstrom/
May 28 09:48:43 <Freak_NL> sorry
May 28 09:48:55 <Laibsch> yes, that seems to work better
May 28 09:53:48 <Freak_NL> it is my first bb recipe, so rough edges may appear
May 28 09:54:08 <Freak_NL> scim was troublesome to compile because of some auto* mischief
May 28 09:55:06 <Laibsch> but you are a seasoned compiler as such?
May 28 09:55:36 <Laibsch> I know bb quite well by now.  But my compilation skills are not so great.
May 28 09:55:43 <Freak_NL> I'm still learning a lot about autotools and C compiling
May 28 09:56:07 <Laibsch> Well, if it compiles and works it should be added to OE ;-)
May 28 09:56:18 <Freak_NL> I am a software engineer, but my experience lies more in PHP, C# and such
May 28 09:56:29 <Laibsch> What font do you use for displaying Japanese?
May 28 09:56:51 <Freak_NL> I'd like to wait until a more complete set is ready: scim with anthy and tomoe
May 28 09:56:58 <Freak_NL> as well as hangul
May 28 09:57:04 <Freak_NL> the IPA fonts
May 28 09:57:24 <Freak_NL> but they may be a bit too big in size
May 28 09:57:35 <Laibsch> no, Linux philosophy is "release early and often"
May 28 09:57:45 <Freak_NL> well, in that case
May 28 09:57:54 <Freak_NL> shall I make a bug on the tracker?
May 28 09:57:55 <Laibsch> Freak_NL: Try qpf-unismall if you use opie
May 28 09:58:02 <Laibsch> Freak_NL: not necessary
May 28 09:58:03 <Freak_NL> I'm on gpe
May 28 09:58:08 <Laibsch> I will commit soonish
May 28 09:58:20 <Freak_NL> ah, tomoe-0.5.0 is building
May 28 09:58:24 <Laibsch> Freak_NL: Could this work with opie?
May 28 09:58:34 <Freak_NL> I should be able to test it with scim-tomoe soon
May 28 09:58:41 <Freak_NL> scim has a QT side
May 28 09:58:52 <Laibsch> I am still on opie (though I don't really have a working machine right now)
May 28 09:58:59 <Freak_NL> I'm not too familiar with that though
May 28 09:59:07 <Laibsch> The input methods I got working so far were all for opie
May 28 09:59:12 <Laibsch> Thus I use it
May 28 09:59:22 <Freak_NL> that's why I'm taing this approach :)
May 28 09:59:28 <Freak_NL> SCIM is for GTK, QT and X
May 28 09:59:35 <Laibsch> taing?
May 28 09:59:42 <Freak_NL> taking*
May 28 09:59:45 <Laibsch> taking?
May 28 09:59:47 <Laibsch> OK
May 28 09:59:56 <Laibsch> Makes sense
May 28 10:00:11 <Laibsch> Would this just be a compiler switch?
May 28 10:00:30 <Freak_NL> it builds for all three cases
May 28 10:00:38 <Laibsch> on OE?
May 28 10:00:52 <Laibsch> You see, this is why "release early and often"
May 28 10:01:03 <Laibsch> Others might be able to help out with getting it in opie
May 28 10:01:26 <Laibsch> I don't think it will happen, but let others have the option
May 28 10:01:37 <Freak_NL> how do I release it? A bug on the OE bugtracker?
May 28 10:02:53 <Laibsch> You don't have to do anything
May 28 10:03:10 <Laibsch> I will commit it once it has compiled successully for me
May 28 10:03:15 <Freak_NL> great
May 28 10:03:33 <Freak_NL> I have tested it in gpe-edit
May 28 10:03:42 <Laibsch> I will also take care of any rework that might be necessary
May 28 10:03:46 <Freak_NL> compose mode works, as does RAW CODE
May 28 10:03:59 <Freak_NL> that's as far as I've got
May 28 10:04:13 <Laibsch> that is already quite some achievement
May 28 10:04:34 <Freak_NL> also, I had to do some xmodmapping to get a compose key
May 28 10:05:03 <Freak_NL> it seems the Z 1000/3XXX clamshells don't get any modmaps in Ångström
May 28 10:05:03 <Laibsch> Well, any further tweaking should eventually be documented or better even commited to OE as well
May 28 10:05:12 <Laibsch> But let's do one step after the other now
May 28 10:06:16 <Freak_NL> I will keep you informed on the other packages (especially scim-anthy and such)
May 28 10:07:10 <Freak_NL> I would appreciate any feedback, I'm probably doing some things rather clumsilly with the Makefile hacking
May 28 10:07:11 <Laibsch> That would be nice
May 28 10:07:32 <Laibsch> with regards to the Makefile, I cannot help you with that
May 28 10:07:43 <Laibsch> You are probably more knowledgeable than me
May 28 10:08:06 <Freak_NL> It seems to work now, three @VARS@ weren't being set
May 28 10:08:14 <Laibsch> I wonder if anthy should be separated out into its own package so other frontends can use it as well
May 28 10:09:00 <Freak_NL> scim, anthy and tomoe are all seperate packages, scim-anthy and scim-tomoe as well probable
May 28 10:09:07 <Freak_NL> probably*
May 28 10:09:23 <Freak_NL> any package can use anthy (it is in OE now, but a bit old)
May 28 10:09:44 <Freak_NL> in theory, someone could build UIM and UIM-anthy
May 28 10:12:18 <Freak_NL> I'm off to study some Korean, but feel free to put me on CC for any OE-bugs you file for this (mail@jeroenhoek.nl)
May 28 12:39:12 <zonyl> st: I pulled R49 altboot from his SVN and put it on the latest build of angstrom 
May 28 12:39:24 <zonyl> im just testing it now
May 28 12:40:08 <CoreDump|home> r49 should work fine on spitz
May 28 12:40:33 <zonyl> Howdy.   I am trying out r49 on corgi right now
May 28 12:42:19 <zonyl> it was either try get altboot to work, or recopile a kernel with a different root device
May 28 12:42:25 <CoreDump|home> err I don't know if that'll work
May 28 12:44:24 <zonyl> What do you think I will run into problems with?
May 28 12:44:48 <zonyl> I wouldnt mind trying to get it working.
May 28 12:44:55 <CoreDump|home> altboot has not been tested for corgi under angstrom at all
May 28 12:52:47 <zonyl> doh. didnt have the card in ext3
May 28 12:53:02 * zonyl tries again
May 28 14:54:59 <Crofton> the green text on the website is hard to read ....
May 28 14:57:24 <Crofton> Are there instructions for uploading and updating feeds somewhere?
May 28 15:02:19 <koen|away> Crofton: upload to unsorted, run sort.sh and run index.sh in the arch dir
May 28 15:03:07 <Crofton> we need to put that on the website, I always forget :)
May 28 15:03:51 <Crofton> I am going to flash my OSK with zecke's libtool update
May 28 15:14:34 <Laibsch> I receive a strange error when installing qpf-unismall: "Multiple packages (qpf-unismall-160 and qpf-unismall-160) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER.  Using latest."  What is that about?
May 28 15:21:56 <Laibsch> CoreDump|bbl: Altboot in OE is still at R48
May 28 15:22:06 <Laibsch> Can you update that?
May 28 15:22:23 <Laibsch> I had some trouble with R48 on spitz and I assume you fixed it in R49
May 28 15:22:28 <Zero_Chaos> Laibsch: my ftp server?
May 28 15:22:41 <CoreDump|home> Laibsch: err 48 is the latest, not 49.
May 28 15:22:51 <CoreDump|home> Laibsch: what kind of trouble?
May 28 15:23:06 <Laibsch> Zero_Chaos: Sorry, I menat Freak_NL.  The issue has been resolved
May 28 15:23:18 <Laibsch> CoreDump|home: Just a minute
May 28 15:23:18 <Zero_Chaos> Laibsch: no problem.
May 28 15:23:29 <Laibsch> It was something about jffs2 not being compiled into the kernel
May 28 15:24:39 <Laibsch> Choosing option 3 "no gui" and then starting opie manually worked fine
May 28 15:24:47 <CoreDump|home> Laibsch: You were trying to boot into flash then, not the HDD ;) Angstrom does not ship the jffs2 module by default
May 28 15:24:58 <CoreDump|home> err
May 28 15:25:07 <Laibsch> Oh, right.  I need to choose option to boot from HDD right?
May 28 15:25:08 <CoreDump|home> opie?
May 28 15:25:17 <CoreDump|home> Laibsch: yeah
May 28 15:25:32 <Laibsch> yes, I use opie because the Japanese input stuff is all in opie still
May 28 15:25:49 <Laibsch> scim works on GPE apparently but I have not had a chance to test that out.
May 28 15:26:26 <Laibsch> The flash is more or less completely unused in angstrom now?
May 28 15:26:42 <CoreDump|home> indeed
May 28 15:27:40 <Laibsch> so where is the initial bootloader located, a special portion of the flash?
May 28 15:28:28 <CoreDump|home> Laibsch: yes, same with the kernel of course. The flash-partition for the rootfs is however unused
May 28 15:30:15 <Laibsch> crap, nunome does not run on the spitz.  opie won't start after installing it.
May 28 15:31:18 <Laibsch> CoreDump|home: why both microdrive and CF on option 2?
May 28 15:31:52 <CoreDump|home> Laibsch: because both are basically emulated IDE drives (hd*)
May 28 15:32:38 <Laibsch> IMHO it would be nice to have a rather flat hierarchy of menus in altboot instead of having so many steps
May 28 15:32:54 <Laibsch> Just list all options in the first step would be my favourite.
May 28 15:33:21 <CoreDump|home> Laibsch: that would work on spitz, but not so on collie & poodle w/ their low-rez display
May 28 15:34:38 <zonyl> what res does spitz have?
May 28 15:34:46 <NAbyss> zonyl: VGA
May 28 15:35:04 <CoreDump|home> VGA @ ~180 DPI IIRC
May 28 15:35:24 <zonyl> oh, I though the 5x00 had vga as well
May 28 15:35:33 <NAbyss> 5x00 is QVGA, iirc
May 28 15:35:58 <CoreDump|home> nope, only QVGA
May 28 15:36:15 <zonyl> didnt realize that.  My friend has a 5500, just never noticed.
May 28 15:38:30 <CoreDump|home> The 5x00 display sucks _bad_ compared to the SL-C* displays
May 28 15:38:44 <zonyl> I got altboot to try and mount the image, however, it is trying to mount it as ext2 and I currently have a jffs2 image.. going to convert it now
May 28 15:39:07 <zonyl> I was thinking though how the wear is going to work on the sd card though being an ext2 loop image
May 28 15:39:09 <CoreDump|home> zonyl: jffs2 "images" were never supported as loop-images
May 28 15:39:37 <CoreDump|home> zonyl: wear leveling is done in h/w on the card itself
May 28 15:39:58 <zonyl> ah yes good point. forgot this is not nand
May 28 15:41:36 <Laibsch> CoreDump|home: How about an overflow mechanism?  Or just list some predefined options in case of overflow such as Cf, SD, HDD, flash, other.  Certainly better in my opinion than three "clickS2 for the standard option of booting from hdd1
May 28 15:42:23 <CoreDump|home> Laibsch: I intend to add a new "Default" option that will boot the default Angstrom / OZ HDD partition on spitz
May 28 15:49:53 <Laibsch> What is the default key combination to get into VT1 from a hung opie?
May 28 15:50:08 <Laibsch> I know chvt would do, but only if you are logged into opie
May 28 15:50:08 <zonyl> how significant is the performance hit on a loop filesystem vs. straight block?  I was wondering if I should make the loopfs as big as the sd card
May 28 16:01:50 <Laibsch> CoreDump|home: What is the replacement for option 8 to create a loop file?
May 28 16:02:22 <CoreDump|home> zonyl: I don't think there is much of a hit. Never felt that way anyway
May 28 16:02:49 <CoreDump|home> Laibsch: for now there isn't one if the menu-entry is missing sorry
May 28 16:03:12 <Laibsch> CoreDump|home: so how do I create it manually?
May 28 16:03:28 <Laibsch> Just place the tar.gz file and rename it properly in bootimages?
May 28 16:03:41 <summatusmentis> why does the angstrom vim not act like my desktop vim?
May 28 16:03:52 <CoreDump|home> Laibsch: that would work w/ .ext2 images not w/ tar balls
May 28 16:04:08 <Laibsch>  /media/card/bootimages/rootfs-anything.tar.gz?  IIRC?
May 28 16:04:35 <Laibsch> CoreDump|home: OK, I'll use the .ext2 file then and rename it as above example?
May 28 16:05:01 <CoreDump|home> Laibsch: yeah
May 28 16:08:12 <Laibsch> OK, thanks.
May 28 16:08:29 <zonyl> I just created a new ext2 fs from scratch and copied the tarball to it.
May 28 16:08:41 <Laibsch> I'll create a bug report on reenabling option and document about workaround there for now.
May 28 16:08:50 <Laibsch> zonyl: Too much work ;-)
May 28 16:09:05 <zonyl> I cant find a ext2 file for my c700
May 28 16:09:07 <zonyl> :(
May 28 16:09:21 <zonyl> copying it now though, should know if altboot works in a few minutes
May 28 16:12:59 <summatusmentis> can someone explain why ipkg takes up so much mem? is it something in the code that needs fixing?
May 28 16:14:38 <hrw> probably
May 28 16:14:39 <mr_nice> how can I change a button keybind in gpe? which .bb file do I need to touch?
May 28 16:14:45 <CoreDump|home> summatusmentis: ipkg could use a lot of optimising....
May 28 16:15:00 <CoreDump|home> mr_nice: define "button"
May 28 16:15:19 <mr_nice> CoreDump|home: the power button
May 28 16:15:54 <CoreDump|home> the power button can not be used for anything else but suspending AFAIK
May 28 16:16:29 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|home: I don't know what 'optimising' means in this context but I can look into it
May 28 16:17:14 <CoreDump|home> summatusmentis: there has been a commit to ipkg recently speeing it up a bit, tried it already?
May 28 16:17:35 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|home: rebuilt package in the feeds? or just to OE?
May 28 16:17:49 <CoreDump|home> just in OE
May 28 16:17:55 <zonyl> IT WORKS!
May 28 16:18:02 <mr_nice> CoreDump|home: the goal is to use it for suspending 
May 28 16:18:27 <CoreDump|home> mr_nice: It is a kernel thing. Should work out-of-the-box AFAICT
May 28 16:18:30 <summatusmentis> zonyl: altboot on C700 right?
May 28 16:18:34 <zonyl> yep
May 28 16:18:41 <CoreDump|home> zonyl: excellent =) Any rough edges?
May 28 16:18:42 <zonyl> Im very excited!
May 28 16:18:46 <summatusmentis> SD?
May 28 16:18:50 <zonyl> yes sir
May 28 16:19:22 <zonyl> just going through the dialogs now.   The only rought edges was getting altboot from svn, and creating an ext2 filesystem
May 28 16:19:25 <zonyl> so far
May 28 16:19:36 <CoreDump|home> great
May 28 16:19:53 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|home: R48 is the newest correct?
May 28 16:19:59 <CoreDump|home> summatusmentis: right
May 28 16:20:19 <summatusmentis> hrm, I need to find an sd image for spitz, and I'll test that too
May 28 16:20:25 <zonyl> SVN said r49, but I looked in the log and there was a test commit from root that bumped the revision
May 28 16:20:54 <mr_nice> CoreDump|home: wake up is a kernel thing suspending is a gpe thing
May 28 16:20:55 <CoreDump|home> zonyl: right ;) last change to altboot/trunk was r48
May 28 16:21:19 <zonyl> oh man this is slow though ;)
May 28 16:21:29 <zonyl> I wish I could solder some more memory on this thing
May 28 16:21:30 <CoreDump|home> mr_nice: At least on spitz it suspends via PWR button w/o installed GPE just fine ;)
May 28 16:22:07 <CoreDump|home> zonyl: is the SD card mounted "sync" or "async" ?
May 28 16:22:23 <zonyl> cant tell yet.. waiting for the wm to finish loading
May 28 16:22:49 <zonyl> I though it was hung, but the mouse cursor is about 30 secs behind the touch event
May 28 16:23:28 <Furre> CoreDump|home, do you know if the package-manager will work soon in ångström? :)
May 28 16:23:58 <CoreDump|home> Furre: the GUI one? I doubt it....never worked ok-ish on OZ....
May 28 16:24:09 <Furre> ah :/
May 28 16:24:17 <Furre> whats the problem with it thought?
May 28 16:24:26 <Furre> apart from giving loads of errors :x
May 28 16:24:36 <Freak_NL> Laibsch: I have a dependancy of libtomoe-gtk and a very usefull tool ready
May 28 16:24:40 <Freak_NL> gucharmap
May 28 16:24:41 <CoreDump|home> no one bothers to fix it =)
May 28 16:24:50 <Furre> aww :/
May 28 16:25:00 <Furre> a working one is great thought :x
May 28 16:25:02 <mr_nice> CoreDump|home:  well on spitz ... - I own a simpad. on familiar there was a keybind to apm --suspend
May 28 16:25:19 <Freak_NL> ( http://www.jeroenhoek.nl/Files/Angstrom/software/ )
May 28 16:25:29 <CoreDump|home> mr_nice: oops, I thought you were on a Z as well, sorry
May 28 16:25:51 <mr_nice> CoreDump|home: no problem 
May 28 16:25:56 <CoreDump|home> mr_nice: in that case check "keylaunch"
May 28 16:26:39 <zonyl> cd: i/o is unsually slow. Im watching gtk widgets draw at about 1 per minute.
May 28 16:26:54 <CoreDump|home> hmm that is not normal
May 28 16:26:59 <CoreDump|home> check dmesg for errors
May 28 16:27:11 <zonyl> still cant get to a prompt yet
May 28 16:27:21 <zonyl> is there a vt switch key out of X 
May 28 16:28:16 <summatusmentis> either the feeds are unusually slow, or there's something drastically wrong w/ ipkg
May 28 16:28:23 <mr_nice> ok
May 28 16:29:21 <summatusmentis> zonyl: afaik, the only way to switch vt is chvt
May 28 16:29:40 <summatusmentis> in OZ I could sometimes hit fn+left and it would switch, I don't know if that works though
May 28 16:30:16 <zonyl> hmm.  still waiting for time/date setup to load. 
May 28 16:31:10 <zonyl> im going to try to reboot and use the console option and see what is going on
May 28 16:31:57 <summatusmentis> zonyl: did you use a .jffs2 image? 
May 28 16:32:20 <zonyl> I copied the tarball into a new ext2 image
May 28 16:32:41 <summatusmentis> ok, so it was .tar.gz
May 28 16:32:52 <zonyl> originally.
May 28 16:32:57 <summatusmentis> I see
May 28 16:33:21 <zonyl> it expanded to over 50megs on an ext2 image that I created at 100megs
May 28 16:33:59 <NAbyss> Yes, gzip is a wonderful thing.
May 28 16:34:04 <zonyl> wow. the tab for time/date just drew on the screen (10 minutes later)
May 28 16:34:29 <summatusmentis> somethings wrong, I've had it working fine(not the new altboot, older OZ one) on my 5500
May 28 16:34:56 <CoreDump|home> zonyl: smells like i/o errors on your card :\
May 28 16:35:11 <zonyl> do you think the card is bad?  should I try another one?
May 28 16:35:36 <CoreDump|home> if you have another one, you should try it
May 28 16:35:45 <zonyl> does the sd driver support 2gb?
May 28 16:35:55 * zonyl thats the only other card I own
May 28 16:36:05 <CoreDump|home> it should....some cards play nice w/ ext2 tho
May 28 16:36:20 <zonyl> its sandisk brand
May 28 16:36:44 <hrw> zonyl: 2GB cards are working
May 28 16:36:55 <CoreDump|home> hrw: I wish mine was :\
May 28 16:37:16 <zonyl> ok ill give it a shot.
May 28 16:37:34 <hrw> CoreDump|home: you have serial cable? if not then wait a bit more and then mmc_debug, take log and pester lkml :)
May 28 16:37:59 <CoreDump|home> hrw: I'll consider that =)
May 28 16:38:07 <CoreDump|home> !pester lkml
May 28 16:38:07 <cdbot2> lkml : Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet?
May 28 16:44:19 <summatusmentis> ugh... I need a faster computer, o rsomething
May 28 16:44:57 * Furre thanks Ångström for getting the GPS working, compaired to pdaX ^^
May 28 16:45:23 <summatusmentis> you got it then? cool
May 28 16:45:56 <Furre> hmm?
May 28 16:46:14 <summatusmentis> well, last I heard, you didn't have ttyUSB0, and you couldn't get it working
May 28 16:46:36 <CoreDump|home> family guy rocks
May 28 16:46:38 <Furre> summatusmentis, of some reason the flash of ångström must have failed, I just reflashed it and everything was fine o.o
May 28 16:46:53 <zonyl> my 2gb card had iissues.  "Error reading lbock 125978 (File name too long) while reading indirect blocks of inode 46562"
May 28 16:46:53 <Furre> maybe some bug in the flash-program or something @.@
May 28 16:47:11 <summatusmentis> :-/ I'm wondering if that's why my USB stick isn't working.... hrm...
May 28 16:47:14 <summatusmentis> I don't wanna reflash
May 28 16:47:22 <summatusmentis> or reimage, or w/e
May 28 16:47:55 <Furre> summatusmentis, try this maybe?: ipkg install kernel-module-pl2303
May 28 16:48:38 <summatusmentis> Furre: iirc, that was just for your gps.... maybe not... 
May 28 16:48:58 <Furre> oh, true @.@
May 28 16:49:45 <summatusmentis> yeah, I've had it working before, I don't knwo
May 28 16:50:04 <Furre> aww :/
May 28 16:50:21 <summatusmentis> not terribly pressing, scp is faster, but it's nice to have
May 28 16:50:44 <Furre> whats scp?
May 28 16:51:35 <summatusmentis> similar to cp, but uses ssh, and allows you to transfer files between machines
May 28 17:08:11 <summatusmentis> ipkg is dying a slow and painful death
May 28 17:17:08 <Laibsch> Freak_NL: Thanks, I'll take a look
May 28 17:18:46 <Laibsch> Freak_NL: scim takes forever for me to compile but maybe that is because all I/O is over NFS
May 28 17:18:52 <Freak_NL> Tomoe uses it as a widget in 0.5.0
May 28 17:18:58 <Freak_NL> Didn't take too long for me
May 28 17:19:21 <summatusmentis> am I the only one having ipkg die due to memory access?
May 28 17:21:06 <Laibsch> Freak_NL: tomoe uses gucharmap?
May 28 17:21:10 <CoreDump|home> summatusmentis: are you using the default feeds?
May 28 17:21:40 <Laibsch> Freak_NL: What are those .swp files you always have in your tar balls?
May 28 17:22:10 <Freak_NL> ah! Vim left those
May 28 17:22:19 <Freak_NL> I'll clean up after myself next time :)
May 28 17:22:53 <Freak_NL> Laibsch: A new feature in Tomoe, it has a tab with gucharmap in it now
May 28 17:23:13 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|home: yeah
May 28 17:23:17 <zonyl> cd: My c700 was out of memory  It only has 30M
May 28 17:23:34 <CoreDump|home> summatusmentis: ouch
May 28 17:23:43 <zonyl> otherwise altboot works fine
May 28 17:23:43 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|home: no kidding, here, hold on
May 28 17:23:55 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|home: http://pastebin.ca/516344
May 28 17:24:01 <CoreDump|home> zonyl: I didn't know c700 was that bad :\
May 28 17:24:03 <Laibsch> Freak_NL: I was just curious.  Leave them in.  I won'T commit them
May 28 17:24:30 <summatusmentis> oh wait, he wasn't talking to me
May 28 17:24:35 * summatusmentis is a terrible judge of timing
May 28 17:25:01 <Freak_NL> Laibsch: I wanted gucharmap anyway :)
May 28 17:25:23 <CoreDump|home> summatusmentis: and dmesg shows "OOM" messages?
May 28 17:27:04 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|home: OOM? nothing that says OOM
May 28 17:27:12 <summatusmentis> and nothing showing out of memory
May 28 17:27:53 <CoreDump|home> right
May 28 17:28:29 <CoreDump|home> is your rootfs full?
May 28 17:29:05 <summatusmentis> no, but it is mounted twice... weird
May 28 17:29:10 <summatusmentis> on /media/ROM
May 28 17:29:11 <summatusmentis> and /
May 28 17:29:31 <CoreDump|home> ignore /media/ROM
May 28 17:29:47 <summatusmentis> ok
May 28 17:30:12 <summatusmentis> but no, rootfs is not full
May 28 17:32:12 <CoreDump|home> I wonder why wget fails for you then
May 28 17:32:41 <CoreDump|home> tried stracing it?
May 28 17:32:47 <summatusmentis> I don't know... the only thing I can think of is that it runs out of RAM, but I've got a 488Mb swap
May 28 17:33:14 <CoreDump|home> ram is not the problem then =)
May 28 17:34:04 <summatusmentis> ok, I'm stracing it now
May 28 17:36:20 <zonyl> Well, im coming to realize the c700 is becoming outdated.
May 28 17:36:37 <summatusmentis> I'll give you my 5500 for it :-P
May 28 17:37:08 <zonyl> hehe
May 28 17:37:38 <CoreDump|home> zonyl: the 5500 has twice the amount of RAM =D
May 28 17:37:53 <CoreDump|home> RAM is about the only "problem" of the c700 =\
May 28 17:37:53 <zonyl> I can load vncviewer, rdesktop, and ssh thats about it
May 28 17:38:32 <zonyl> I like the vga screen though when using rdesktop
May 28 17:39:49 <CoreDump|home> c700 shares its fate w/ poodle
May 28 17:40:22 <zonyl> cache bug?
May 28 17:40:23 <Laibsch> Is there a graphical medium mount/unmount tool or applet in angstrom/opie?
May 28 17:40:33 <Laibsch> What package to bake?
May 28 17:41:49 <CoreDump|home> zonyl: the cache bug is no longer a (big) problem since kernel 2.6, but the low amount of RAM (32Mb) is making the thing hard to use in any decent way
May 28 17:43:05 <CoreDump|home> Laibsch: no idea sorry
May 28 17:43:43 <CoreDump|home> Opie is dead, long live X11 ;)
May 28 17:44:39 <zonyl> Cd:  Yah. I think ill hit ebay with my 700 and get a 860 or 3000
May 28 17:45:39 <CoreDump|home> zonyl: the SL-C3x00 rock w/ their MD.
May 28 17:45:41 <zonyl> its too bad.  I was really hoping to use this effectively as a pim in hopes of avoiding a purchase of a pda phone.
May 28 17:48:48 <zonyl> ive been eyeballing the neo1973, but I read on the mail list someone saying that device is painfully slow as well
May 28 17:49:09 <zonyl> that and it would cost me more than $60 to move to gsm
May 28 17:49:15 <zonyl> 60/month
May 28 17:49:17 <CoreDump|home> zonyl: I have two of them here....and they are :(
May 28 17:49:57 <CoreDump|home> decent RAM and ok-ish flash, but the CPU speed sucks
May 28 17:53:31 <zonyl> Is that ARM compatible?
May 28 17:53:48 <CoreDump|home> armv4
May 28 17:54:34 <CoreDump|home> IIRC koen has angstrom running on the Neo ;)
May 28 17:54:59 <CoreDump|home> which is a good thing as the OpenMoko guys keep their repository ro...
May 28 17:55:15 <zonyl> ;)
May 28 17:59:04 <zonyl> Well anyway.  Thanks for your effort on Altboot.  Im glad it at least worked on my c700, however, I think I will stay console and use fbvnc ;)
May 28 17:59:12 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|bbl: http://pastebin.ca/516426 output of strace -c ipkg update
May 28 17:59:18 <summatusmentis> oh, he left :-/
May 28 18:00:06 <CoreDump|bbl> summatusmentis: w/o -c please
May 28 18:00:38 <summatusmentis> lol, alright, it'll prob. take 10 minutes or so :-/
May 28 18:00:50 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|bbl: I can wait if you need to do something
May 28 18:00:54 <CoreDump|bbl> I'll be reading the backlog
May 28 18:01:09 * CoreDump|bbl will take a bath in a few minutes
May 28 18:01:28 <summatusmentis> alright, I'll run it, and let you know
May 28 18:29:58 <Laibsch> Freak_NL: How is your HOWTO for gakusei.sf.net coming along?
May 28 18:33:01 <Freak_NL> I probably won't get around to it this week (I want to use my Z as a wordtank for an upcoming exam, so I'm working on scim and friends when I'm not studying)
May 28 18:33:42 <Freak_NL> I intend to document the whole bunch of steps to making an Ã… device Japanese friendly though
May 28 18:34:56 <Freak_NL> did scim build for you?
May 28 18:42:48 <Laibsch> That sounds awesome.  Maybe you want to create an account on the gakusei wordpress and post it there.  That is independent of the project membership.
May 28 18:43:29 <Laibsch> scim is still building.  Strangely enough it hardly consumes any CPU cycles.  The CPU is mostly idling along and the network does not seem to be saturated either.  I don't know what is holding it back.
May 28 18:44:55 <Freak_NL> odd
May 28 18:45:24 <Freak_NL> do other packages build normally?
May 28 18:45:38 <Laibsch> yes, I have several build processes running
May 28 18:45:58 <Laibsch> On this and another machine (the one serving NFS)
May 28 18:52:54 <Freak_NL> it takes 4 minutes on my machine
May 28 18:53:02 <Freak_NL> Athlon 3200XP
May 28 19:01:19 <Laibsch> I think it is I/O-bound
May 28 19:37:16 <Freak_NL> Laibsch: I seem to have forget all about staging with scim and gucharmap
May 28 19:38:36 <Freak_NL> have forgotten*
May 28 19:40:33 <Laibsch> Freak_NL: yes?
May 28 19:40:57 <Freak_NL> the recipes are still missing an autotools_stage_all call
May 28 19:41:26 <Freak_NL> doesn't matter for building, but libtomoe-gtk needs the files
May 28 19:44:08 <Laibsch> OK, I will add that before committing.  If not, poke me.
May 28 19:49:44 <Furre> how do one make a NAND backup on the akita(and C3x00) ?
May 28 19:50:34 <Furre> one uses the service menu`?
May 28 19:57:24 <CoreDump|home> Furre: yes
May 28 20:02:48 <Furre> okk :)
May 28 20:03:09 <Furre> finally got a CF card so I can give it a try, have to reinstall everything compleatly from the beginning otherwise ^^
May 28 20:04:25 <CoreDump|home> making a backup of the NAND is easy. Creating a 1:1 copy of the HDD on spitz w/ opening the case was a bitch tho =)
May 28 20:05:40 <Furre> hehe :)
May 28 20:05:55 <Furre> I install software on a SD card, but I cant back it up x.x
May 28 20:06:07 <Furre> windows give me problems when copying files from the /usr folder
May 28 20:09:22 <Freak_NL> lol, I need to change one thing in a package Makefile, turns out Gentoo does exactly the same for their ebuild of the same package :)
May 28 20:12:37 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|home: is there an easy way to redirect the output of strace?
May 28 20:13:15 <CoreDump|home> summatusmentis: strace $whatever >/strace.txt 2>&1 should do the trick
May 28 20:14:42 <summatusmentis> so... strace ipkg update > strace_output 2>&1?
May 28 20:15:01 <CoreDump|home> yep
May 28 20:15:18 <Furre> yay, its making a backup ^^
May 28 20:15:47 <koen|away> strace -o <logfile>
May 28 20:15:51 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|home: thanks, I'll pastebin that when it's done
May 28 20:15:57 <summatusmentis> koen|away: oh.... hrmm
May 28 20:16:15 <summatusmentis> good to know, thanks
May 28 20:17:11 <Furre> is the backup done when it says: Backup...OK, but the green bar is still there?
May 28 20:17:27 <koen|away> where <logfile> is in tmpfs
May 28 20:17:32 <koen|away> otherwise strace will take eons
May 28 20:19:02 <CoreDump|home> Furre: that is normal
May 28 20:19:12 <CoreDump|home> Furre: it is indeed done by that point
May 28 20:19:28 <Furre> okk, thanks :), was worrid it was stuck writing ^^
May 28 20:20:08 <CoreDump|home> Furre: =) I know what you mean heh. They should have made it a little bit more "clear" that the backup as been finished
May 28 20:20:44 <Furre> yeah ,atleast remove the bar ^^ hehe, oh well, after all, I doubt "users" are supposed to go into those menus anyway :)
May 28 20:22:23 <CoreDump|home> ideally they don't
May 28 20:25:19 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|home: check out bug 494, is that possibly the root of my problem?
May 28 20:25:24 <summatusmentis> !oebug 494
May 28 20:25:25 <cdbot2> * * Bug 494, Status: NEW, Created: 2005-11-27 06:33
May 28 20:25:25 <cdbot2> * * martin(AT)martinwolters.com: ipkg relies on -passive-ftp switch which is not provided by busybox
May 28 20:25:26 <cdbot2> * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=494
May 28 20:26:24 <CoreDump|home> summatusmentis: Since ipkg appears to work just fine for me, I doubt it.
May 28 20:27:49 <CoreDump|home> this bugreport is nonsense. If it were true, each and every image and machine would be affected and nobody could use ipkg at all
May 28 20:29:12 <CoreDump|home> The true bug here would be "But it seems that ipkg talks dirctly to busybox." which would be bad indeed
May 28 20:30:40 <Laibsch> CoreDump|home: Please update the bug report with your comments, thank you
May 28 20:31:48 <CoreDump|home> Laibsch: The original reporter already refused to reply to a question. I doubt he would reply to me. IMO that bug is RESOLVED (INVALID)
May 28 20:32:40 * Laibsch looks closer
May 28 20:34:48 <Laibsch> summatusmentis: When you say that "This does indeed still happen in Angstrom" why did you think that you were experiencing the same problem?
May 28 20:36:39 <koen|away> iirc ipkg doesn't work with the full wget, but I'm not sure on the details
May 28 20:36:52 <koen|away> and ipkg *does* include a static copy of libbusybox
May 28 20:37:06 <koen|away> and there's a patch to put ipkg into busybox :)
May 28 20:37:17 <CoreDump|home> I had no idea this crappy beast would be _that_ braindead
May 28 20:38:14 <koen|away> a lot of stupid ipkg bugs got fixed when pigi updated the libbb code to 1.x
May 28 20:38:40 <koen|away> there have been patches to make libbb shared, which would save us ~150kB
May 28 20:39:23 <CoreDump|home> so.....when do we rename it? And into which name ? =)
May 28 20:39:31 <koen|away> :D
May 28 20:41:09 * CoreDump|home notices that this channels ban list is missing certain individuals
May 28 20:52:14 <koen|away> and suddenly my ignore list isn't needed anymore ;)
May 28 20:52:19 <CoreDump|home> =D
May 28 20:52:47 <CoreDump|home> I guess he'll write an email to angstrom-devel with "What the hell was that for?"
May 28 20:53:56 <Crofton> why do these guys I don't know seem to think they hold trademarks on gpe?
May 28 20:54:12 <Crofton> don't bother nswering
May 28 20:54:22 <CoreDump|home> Crofton: that is the 1.000.000 Dollar Question
May 28 20:55:11 <Crofton> russ nelsons piece on hh.org is crazy
May 28 20:55:43 <koen|away> see russ' comments on http://enterprise.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/05/24/157218&tid=41 as well
May 28 20:56:01 <CoreDump|home> but sounds convincing enough to outsiders
May 28 20:56:05 <koen|away> the comments on http://fl0rian.wordpress.com/ are hilarious as well
May 28 20:57:41 <summatusmentis> Laibsch: because I get errors about --passive-ftp, http://pastebin.ca/516426
May 28 20:58:52 <summatusmentis> Laibsch: I will agree that it's possible that this bug is nonsense, as it works for many other people
May 28 20:59:09 <summatusmentis> but I seem to have a mystery-bug, and it seems to be sort of related
May 28 20:59:16 <Crofton> excellent hh is looking for a new irc hosting service
May 28 21:01:08 <CoreDump|home> summatusmentis: you are getting errors about wget failing, that has nothing to do with --passive-ftp =) At least I pretty much doubt it
May 28 21:01:14 <Laibsch> seems like this is not so nonsensical after all
May 28 21:01:39 <Laibsch> But I don't want to jump into that discussion.
May 28 21:02:46 <CoreDump|home> summatusmentis: do you have any ftp:// feeds configured? If not, we can ignore bug 494
May 28 21:24:11 <CoreDump|home> !oebug 494
May 28 21:24:12 <cdbot2> * * Bug 494, Status: RESOLVED (WORKSFORME), Created: 2005-11-27 06:33
May 28 21:24:13 <cdbot2> * * martin(AT)martinwolters.com: ipkg relies on -passive-ftp switch which is not provided by busybox
May 28 21:24:14 <cdbot2> * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=494
May 28 22:17:25 <alban_42> i am getting the error mtn: multiple update candidates:
May 28 22:28:15 <rwhitby> that's normal for a distributed source control program like monotone
May 28 22:28:52 <rwhitby> you can either wait for someone to do a merge on the place where you're pulling from, or you can do a merge locally (the merge should be automatic in almost all cases)
May 28 22:33:34 <summatusmentis> CoreDump|afk: I figured it out, the issue was because of the full version of wget
May 28 22:42:05 <summatusmentis> !oebug 2390
May 28 22:42:06 <cdbot2> * * Bug 2390, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-05-28 15:41
May 28 22:42:07 <cdbot2> * * summatusmentis(AT)gmail.com: &quot;Full&quot; Wget breaks ipkg
May 28 22:42:09 <cdbot2> * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2390
May 29 01:03:49 <summatusmentis> is there something going on w/ udev? My usb stick doesn't show up in /dev after I plug it in
May 29 01:22:26 <summatusmentis> hey Laibsc1 what's the status of udev in angstrom?
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 29 02:59:57 2007