**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 12 02:59:56 2007
Jun 12 07:15:25 * Furre gives the latest release a try ^^
Jun 12 07:27:39 <prh> morning hrw
Jun 12 07:29:51 <hrw> hej
Jun 12 07:32:21 <Furre> morning ^^
Jun 12 07:32:42 <_law_> morning all
Jun 12 07:34:37 <Furre> x.x, got Z connected to the AP now, but doesnt appear to get an IP, anyone have an idea? :/
Jun 12 07:34:39 <pH5> good morning
Jun 12 07:37:17 <Furre> when trying to ping I get "Network is unreachable" even when the AP reports the Z is connected :/
Jun 12 07:42:39 <hrw> routing bad
Jun 12 07:45:06 <Furre> worked with the previous release of Ångström *ponders what the trouble is*
Jun 12 15:27:10 <summatusmentis> polyonymous: ping
Jun 12 16:16:36 <CoreDump> hi
Jun 12 16:24:31 <hvontres|poodle> CoreDump: hello :)
Jun 12 16:24:48 <hvontres|poodle> CoreDump: any feedback on 1.0.9pre ?
Jun 12 16:25:54 <CoreDump> no, sorry :\
Jun 12 16:26:17 <hvontres|poodle> CoreDump: np.
Jun 12 16:31:57 <Laibsch> CoreDump: Since there is no option 8, how do I create an altboot image now?  With  IMAGE_FSTYPES = "jffs2 tar ext2 instead of " IMAGE_FSTYPES = "jffs2 tar"?
Jun 12 16:32:20 <CoreDump> Laibsch: that would work of course
Jun 12 16:33:26 <Laibsch> Well, I guess that is also the most convenient route, then. 
Jun 12 16:33:32 <Laibsch> Or do you suggest something else?
Jun 12 16:33:57 <CoreDump> if dd if=/dev/zero of=/my_loopfile bs=1024k count=200 ; losetup /dev/loop0 ./my_loopfile ; mkfs.ext2 -m0 /dev/loop0 ; losetup -d /dev/null ; mount -o loop ./my_loopfile /media/loop ; cp $whatever /media/loop
Jun 12 16:34:35 <CoreDump>  /dev/null == /dev/loop0
Jun 12 16:36:22 <Laibsch> I'd rather let OE do the tedious work ;-)
Jun 12 16:37:04 <Laibsch> On the other hand.  How do I specify loopfile size?
Jun 12 16:37:34 <Laibsch> An image with 0 space left is not the real killer
Jun 12 16:38:26 <CoreDump> IMAGE_ROOTFS_SIZE_ext2 = "204800"
Jun 12 16:39:06 <Laibsch> OK, nice
Jun 12 16:42:11 <Laibsch> Does the latest altboot include the option to boot from NFS?  Over WLAN?
Jun 12 16:44:32 <koen> Laibsch: tar.gz instead of tar
Jun 12 16:44:32 <CoreDump> Laibsch: yes
Jun 12 16:45:01 <CoreDump> ideed, why one would want tar instead of tar.gz is beyond me
Jun 12 16:53:24 <Laibsch> corrected
Jun 12 17:18:37 <summatusmentis> jeez, opie-image uses many many GBs
Jun 12 17:18:42 <summatusmentis> building it
Jun 12 17:25:01 <Laibsch> I can connect to my AP and receive an IP fine when there is no encryption.
Jun 12 17:25:53 <Laibsch> Then when I "upgrade" to WEP with a common password both on the AP (Linksys WRT54GL running openwrt) and the spitz, I cannot receive an IP anymore
Jun 12 17:26:04 <Laibsch> How do I get out of insecure land?
Jun 12 17:26:27 <summatusmentis> are you setting the WEP key before looking for an IP?
Jun 12 17:26:53 <Laibsch> I set the WEP key on the AP, then on the spitz, apply the changes
Jun 12 17:27:01 <Laibsch> and then I have lost connection.
Jun 12 17:27:13 <summatusmentis> because I know when I tried to connect to my uncle's WEP wifi network, I had to set the WEP key on the Z, then do 'ifup eth0'
Jun 12 17:28:22 <Laibsch> ifup wlan0 is even worse
Jun 12 17:28:40 <Laibsch> That even fucks up a working nonsecure connection.
Jun 12 17:28:46 <Laibsch> udhcpc does not get an IP
Jun 12 17:29:02 <summatusmentis> really? hrm... so how do you connect?
Jun 12 17:29:12 <Laibsch> The network GUI thingy does get an IP.  Whatever program it uses
Jun 12 17:29:17 <Laibsch> summatusmentis: insecurely
Jun 12 17:29:22 <Laibsch> As I said ;-)
Jun 12 17:29:33 <Laibsch> But I don't really connect 
Jun 12 17:29:46 <Laibsch> Until I can secure the communication
Jun 12 17:30:01 <summatusmentis> huh... that's odd, what's your card?
Jun 12 17:31:09 <Laibsch> zonet zcf1100
Jun 12 17:31:31 <Laibsch> quite a few zaurus people have it, I think
Jun 12 17:32:27 <summatusmentis> yeah, I think so... hrm..
Jun 12 17:32:55 <summatusmentis> I'm pretty unfamiliar w/ WEP, as I live in the middle of nowhere, and run an unsecured WAP
Jun 12 17:33:02 <summatusmentis> but the little experience I had w/ it, it worked fine
Jun 12 17:39:10 <rob_w> please god of angstrom , tell me the quick n dirty loose or no loose in compiling oabi vs eabi 
Jun 12 17:40:07 <summatusmentis> what does 'loose or no loose' mean?
Jun 12 17:40:24 <Zero_Chaos> I think he meant loss
Jun 12 17:41:02 <summatusmentis> hrm...
Jun 12 17:41:19 <summatusmentis> I guess I stilll don't understand, but basically oabi vs. eabi?
Jun 12 17:41:46 <koen> oabi == old crazy shit, eabi == the future
Jun 12 17:45:46 <summatusmentis> lol, at least koen knows what he's talking about, i was gonna make something up :-P
Jun 12 17:49:34 <Crofton> eabi is http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort
Jun 12 17:49:38 <Crofton> ~eabi
Jun 12 17:50:00 <Crofton> crap no stupid bot
Jun 12 18:07:48 <CoreDump> Laibsch: FWIW, WEP, WPA1 and WPA2 work fine here on my Z using manual configuration via /e/n/interfaces
Jun 12 18:10:03 <Laibsch> CoreDump: Can you paste it.  It would certainly save me some time.  
Jun 12 18:10:04 <Laibsch> XXX is your friend at the appropriate places ;-)
Jun 12 18:10:38 <CoreDump> Laibsch: depending on how recent your rootfs if, "interfaces" already contains (IMO) useful examples
Jun 12 18:10:39 * summatusmentis waits for CoreDump's IP to show <evil grin>
Jun 12 18:11:35 <koen> you can configure it on a debian laptop and copy over /etc/network/interfaces as well
Jun 12 18:12:00 * koen has a copy of that in the home partition of every device
Jun 12 18:12:05 <CoreDump> Laibsch: http://rafb.net/p/5sLys842.html
Jun 12 18:12:46 <CoreDump> koen: the old way of debian running wpa_supplicant via initscript sucked big times tho
Jun 12 18:13:13 <koen> wpa_supplicant sucked big time for a long time as well
Jun 12 18:13:39 <CoreDump> indeed
Jun 12 18:13:57 <CoreDump> today WPA is a simple as WEP (finally)
Jun 12 18:17:38 <Laibsch> CoreDump: wpa-essid is the same as the "normal essid", right?  or is it in any way ciphered?
Jun 12 18:17:51 <CoreDump> Laibsch: it is the same
Jun 12 18:18:53 <Laibsch> do you need wpasupplicant installed?
Jun 12 18:19:03 <Laibsch> or is it just more convenient that way
Jun 12 18:19:05 <CoreDump> of course
Jun 12 18:19:21 <CoreDump> the supplicant is required
Jun 12 18:21:14 <CoreDump> (for WPA of course)
Jun 12 18:22:09 * CoreDump would like to get rid of the kernel 2.4 crap from interfaces
Jun 12 18:22:36 * koen wants cascaded override support in FILESPATH
Jun 12 18:23:05 <koen> packages/foo/foo-1.2/angstrom/c7x0/file
Jun 12 18:23:18 <CoreDump> adding a bazillion machine overrides would suck
Jun 12 18:24:19 <koen> for packages like base-files it's just moving everything to another subdir
Jun 12 18:24:38 <koen> but I support mickeyl with "virtually every distro override is bogus"
Jun 12 18:25:00 <CoreDump> indeed
Jun 12 18:25:53 <CoreDump> maybe a dynamically created ifconfig based on MACHINE.conf would be the solution (ie: include the usb0 stuff only form achines w/ USB)
Jun 12 18:28:27 <koen> yes
Jun 12 18:29:33 <Laibsch> The spitz seems to be trying to connect.  But dmesg shows a bunch of errors "unknown crypto alg 'CCMP'"
Jun 12 18:29:44 <Laibsch> Any package missing?  Misconfig?
Jun 12 18:30:11 <Laibsch> Needless to say I have no connection to the AP
Jun 12 18:30:17 <koen> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=kernel-module-ieee80211-crypt-ccmp
Jun 12 18:30:28 <koen> we only have kernel modules for wep in by default
Jun 12 18:30:56 <Laibsch> OK
Jun 12 18:31:48 <koen> patches welcome :)
Jun 12 18:52:27 <Laibsch> Does kernel-module-hostap contain hostap_crypt_wep.o?
Jun 12 18:52:40 <koen> iirc not
Jun 12 18:53:55 <Laibsch> so where is it?
Jun 12 18:54:04 <Laibsch> It seems to be needed for wep
Jun 12 18:54:27 <Laibsch> I cannot seem to get WPA working
Jun 12 18:56:10 <Zero_Chaos> Laibsch: you have the tkip/ccmp modules loaded?
Jun 12 18:56:26 <Laibsch> yes
Jun 12 18:59:04 <Laibsch> Zero_Chaos: Wait, I might have not
Jun 12 18:59:12 <Laibsch> I installed the package and reboot
Jun 12 18:59:37 <Laibsch> But insmod ieee80211_crypt_ccmp fails
Jun 12 19:00:01 <CoreDump> that's why you use modprobe
Jun 12 19:00:09 <Laibsch> Oh boy, we REALLY need to make WLAN more user-friendly on Angstrom
Jun 12 19:00:20 <Laibsch> CoreDump: Tried that too, same story
Jun 12 19:00:50 <CoreDump> obviously you are missing a dependency for that module
Jun 12 19:01:21 <Laibsch> It says "ieee80211_crypt_ccmp module not found"
Jun 12 19:01:33 <Laibsch> Sounds more like the module itself is missing
Jun 12 19:01:40 <Laibsch> Maybe a depmod helps
Jun 12 19:01:52 <Laibsch> it does
Jun 12 19:02:22 <Laibsch> !note to self: OE should call depmod when installing module packages
Jun 12 19:02:36 <Zero_Chaos> LoL
Jun 12 19:06:23 <Zero_Chaos> how can I make a reciepe that excutes depmod after install?
Jun 12 19:07:06 <CoreDump> put depmod in postinst
Jun 12 19:08:04 <Zero_Chaos> as in do post_inst() { depmod }
Jun 12 19:08:05 <Zero_Chaos> ?
Jun 12 19:09:30 <CoreDump> pkg_postinst() { blah }
Jun 12 19:09:47 <Laibsch> Couldn't we have this globally for all modules?
Jun 12 19:10:00 <Laibsch> Does OE a package contains modules?
Jun 12 19:10:07 <Laibsch> Does OE know a package contains modules?
Jun 12 19:10:29 <Laibsch> Now I get "could not allocate crypto aes"
Jun 12 19:10:39 <Laibsch> and the same with arc4 instead of aes
Jun 12 19:10:47 <Zero_Chaos> Laibsch: install the crypto-aes module ;-)
Jun 12 19:18:24 <polyonymous> summatusmentis, pong
Jun 12 19:37:22 <Laibsch> I think I finally got that bitch to cooperate
Jun 12 19:38:10 <polyonymous> which bitch? :)
Jun 12 19:40:54 <Laibsch> the spitz-wrt-wpa bitch ;-)
Jun 12 19:41:07 <Laibsch> secure wifi for me now
Jun 12 19:41:29 <CoreDump|home> Laibsch: welcome to the spitz-wrt-wpa club =)
Jun 12 19:41:30 <polyonymous> ah. I see. my spitz wifi era is over as well as my wifi card :)
Jun 12 19:41:40 <CoreDump|home> polyonymous: ouch
Jun 12 19:41:51 <Zero_Chaos> what does WRT have to do with it?
Jun 12 19:41:52 <polyonymous> CoreDump|home, happens :)
Jun 12 19:42:09 * polyonymous is a club member in exile :)
Jun 12 19:42:10 <CoreDump|home> Zero_Chaos: it runs on our WAP
Jun 12 19:42:37 <CoreDump|home> dd-wrt for me
Jun 12 19:43:03 <Furre> are there any CF-Wifi card with the ability to connect an external antenna on them?
Jun 12 19:43:18 <polyonymous> besides, he might have meant spits with-regards-to wpa  ;-)) He's talking abbreviations, remember?:)
Jun 12 19:43:30 <Zero_Chaos> ahh yes
Jun 12 19:44:04 * CoreDump|home never heard of one but that does not have to mean anything
Jun 12 19:44:28 <Zero_Chaos> Furre: I saw one yesterday, but it was broadcom
Jun 12 19:44:31 <Zero_Chaos> Furre: still care?
Jun 12 19:47:48 <Laibsch> polyonymous: well, I meant the Linksys ;-)
Jun 12 19:47:59 <Laibsch> polyonymous: broke your wifi card?
Jun 12 19:48:48 <polyonymous> Laibsch, yup, physically.
Jun 12 19:51:45 <Laibsch> How do you connect, then?
Jun 12 19:54:37 <CoreDump|afk> Laibsch: USB networking works very well
Jun 12 19:54:49 <CoreDump|afk> since recently even out-of-the-box
Jun 12 19:56:01 <Furre> Zero_Chaos, is broadcom bad?
Jun 12 19:56:27 <Zero_Chaos> well, yes
Jun 12 19:56:58 <polyonymous> Laibsch, CoreDump|afk is right.
Jun 12 19:57:03 <Furre> how come? o.o
Jun 12 19:57:28 <polyonymous> CoreDump|afk, out-of-the box it may work, but suspend is still lethal for me :)
Jun 12 19:58:51 <Furre> Zero_Chaos, not compatible with the Z? o.o
Jun 12 19:59:12 <Zero_Chaos> Furre: unsure.  I was thinking about buying one to test.
Jun 12 19:59:20 <Zero_Chaos> Furre: I'm guessing if the drivers are there, it should work
Jun 12 19:59:31 <Zero_Chaos> Furre: but broadcom in general kinda sucks
Jun 12 19:59:41 <Furre> oh ._.
Jun 12 20:00:16 <Furre> well, was poindering if one could use one of those large can-tennas, cause wifi is almost non-existing where i live :cx
Jun 12 20:00:29 <Laibsch> Does IRC support ad-hoc multi-user chats?
Jun 12 20:02:38 <polyonymous> Laibsch, no, that would be called 'channel' :)
Jun 12 20:13:28 <Furre> by the way, will USB-wifi work on the Z?
Jun 12 20:27:59 <hvontres|poodle> Furre: if the dongle has a driver, then yes, but you might need a powered hub
Jun 12 20:50:35 <Furre> aah, do you know if Zydas ZD1211b is supported? it appears to be a very used chipset, and I know the thing with the hub ^^
Jun 12 20:51:05 <Zero_Chaos> Furre: if it is, I'm sure it's not to great, .21 is when the driver matured
Jun 12 20:51:12 <Zero_Chaos> Furre: and angstrom is on .20
Jun 12 20:51:17 <Zero_Chaos> kernel version that is
Jun 12 20:52:34 <Furre> ooh :x, pity, cuase I found a USB card that had that chipset, and wasnt too expencive, cant find that broadcom anywhere for sale to sweden @.@
Jun 12 20:53:55 <Zero_Chaos> Furre: you wanted usb or cf?
Jun 12 20:54:15 <Zero_Chaos> Furre: usb I know the alfa is rather nice, 500mW -96db rx sens and rp-sma connector
Jun 12 20:54:24 <Furre> doesnt matter :)
Jun 12 20:54:36 <Zero_Chaos> Furre: in USA?
Jun 12 20:54:38 <Furre> just aslong as its compatible in both ångström and pdaxrom
Jun 12 20:54:42 <Furre> Zero_Chaos, sweden unfortunately x.x
Jun 12 20:54:51 <Furre> but if they accept paypal and can ship to sweden thats finet oo
Jun 12 20:55:12 <Zero_Chaos> I've not finished drivers for the alpha yet
Jun 12 20:55:18 <Zero_Chaos> so I don't know ;-)
Jun 12 20:55:34 <Furre> oh, you mean you have one with an antenna?
Jun 12 20:55:51 <Zero_Chaos> yeah, the alpha is usb
Jun 12 20:56:13 <Furre> is alfa a manufactuer?
Jun 12 20:59:43 <Zero_Chaos> yes
Jun 12 20:59:48 <Zero_Chaos> realtek 8187 chipset
Jun 12 21:00:59 <Furre> do you have an URL?
Jun 12 21:03:04 <Zero_Chaos> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290077228200
Jun 12 21:05:47 <Furre> eep, a bit expencive ^^
Jun 12 21:05:51 <Furre> did you got it working?
Jun 12 21:08:33 <Zero_Chaos> like I said, I've not ported the drivers to OE yet
Jun 12 21:11:10 <Furre> ah, is it difficult to do? I kinda need all drivers to work on Ångström and pdaXrom since I switch back and forth all the time
Jun 12 21:12:19 <Zero_Chaos> at the moment I don't think the driver work with either. what are you doing that needs external antenna on your Z?
Jun 12 21:13:19 <Furre> to use the Z when not at home, the AMbicom one I have no doesnt appear to ahve a good range :/, drops the connection all thje time
Jun 12 21:14:58 <Zero_Chaos> Furre: you realize that it will be significantly less convenient to be using a huge freaking radio like the alfa? to start with you need a battery pack just to power it
Jun 12 21:19:09 <dcordes> Zero_Chaos, what kind of battery pack do you use for your usb devices?
Jun 12 21:19:38 <Zero_Chaos> just a few battery packs that provide power over usb
Jun 12 21:20:33 <dcordes> Zero_Chaos, did you make them yourself or buy them?
Jun 12 21:20:42 <Furre> Zero_Chaos, I know, but its better than not beeing able to use Wifi ^^
Jun 12 21:20:59 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: purchased. 
Jun 12 21:21:03 <dcordes> Furre, what's your device?
Jun 12 21:21:29 <Furre> you mean the wificard?
Jun 12 21:21:36 <dcordes> Furre, no your machine
Jun 12 21:21:40 <Furre> ah, C1000
Jun 12 21:23:11 <dcordes> Zero_Chaos, I've been looking for souch a product. My self made thing with a 9v block and regulator to 5v is dorky.
Jun 12 21:23:20 <dcordes> Furre, I also use the akita
Jun 12 21:23:30 <dcordes> Zero_Chaos, where did you get it?
Jun 12 21:23:39 <dcordes> or them
Jun 12 21:23:53 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: mine provides much more power as well.  One at Circuit City and one and Fry's, the one from Fry's is a little bit better
Jun 12 21:25:03 <dcordes> Zero_Chaos, does that fry have an online shop?
Jun 12 21:25:15 <Zero_Chaos> dunno
Jun 12 21:26:13 <Zero_Chaos> Lenmar PPU1700B
Jun 12 21:26:17 <Zero_Chaos> www.lenmar.com
Jun 12 21:26:26 <Zero_Chaos> that's all it says on the device
Jun 12 21:26:28 <Zero_Chaos> and the power read outs
Jun 12 21:27:15 <dcordes> MACALLY USB BATTERY PACK   that's what I found on frys.com
Jun 12 21:27:47 <Zero_Chaos> I didn't see that one at the store
Jun 12 21:29:19 <dcordes> 2200mah nice
Jun 12 21:29:41 <dcordes> but I guess it will be hard to find a reseller that ships to europe
Jun 12 21:30:06 <Zero_Chaos> if I lived anywhere near a fry's I would help
Jun 12 21:30:10 <Zero_Chaos> but I don't
Jun 12 21:30:56 <dcordes> oh I was talking about the lenmar thing with 2200mah
Jun 12 21:31:03 <dcordes> but thanks for the offer
Jun 12 21:31:30 <Zero_Chaos> as was I, I bought my lenmar at fry's
Jun 12 21:32:28 <dcordes> ah ok
Jun 12 21:33:15 <dcordes> how big is it approx.?
Jun 12 21:33:53 <Zero_Chaos> ipod? smaller than the SL-C1000
Jun 12 21:34:16 <Zero_Chaos> thickness of a collie, less height and a bit less width
Jun 12 21:35:26 <dcordes> ok
Jun 12 21:35:27 <dcordes> looks like they ship international
Jun 12 21:36:26 <dcordes> in case I won't find a similar device in a place not that far away I will buy it there.
Jun 12 21:36:38 <dcordes> what did you mean about power being read out?
Jun 12 21:36:39 <Furre> but hmm, are there any USB-wifi cards working on the Z at the moment? o.o
Jun 12 21:36:52 <Zero_Chaos> I meant the power specs
Jun 12 21:37:25 <dcordes> Furre, I use a ralink rt73 based device
Jun 12 21:37:47 <dcordes> Zero_Chaos, like it tells the host device power is present?
Jun 12 21:38:08 <Zero_Chaos> I meant it provides 5v and holds 2200mAh
Jun 12 21:38:54 <dcordes> Furre, there are many many others
Jun 12 21:39:34 <dcordes> Furre, I think you can almost make every device work with driver sources present somewhere
Jun 12 21:39:52 <dcordes> that's what I experienced with the rt73 device
Jun 12 21:40:42 <Furre> well, im kinda new on linux so I doubt Ill be able to manage it myself :/
Jun 12 21:43:15 <dcordes> Furre, I didn't do it myself at all but with the help of the firendly and helpfully developers
Jun 12 21:45:37 <dcordes> Furre, you can buy a device which has already modules present
Jun 12 21:45:58 <Furre> well, kinda need one that can use an external antenna, but all I find is either zd1211 or realtek :x
Jun 12 21:46:20 <dcordes> I've got what your looking for then
Jun 12 21:46:28 <dcordes> wait a second
Jun 12 21:48:01 <dcordes> edimax ew-7318usg
Jun 12 21:49:10 <dcordes> http://www.edimax.com.tw/html/english/products/EW-7318USg.htm it has rp-sma connector. To install the driver install the package rt73-k2wrlz
Jun 12 21:49:36 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: you added that package?
Jun 12 21:49:40 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: thanks
Jun 12 21:50:55 <dcordes> Zero_Chaos, actually it was XorA|holiday who made it possible
Jun 12 21:51:06 <Furre> dcordes, ah, do you know if that driver exist for pdaXrom aswell?
Jun 12 21:51:17 <dcordes> Furre, did not try pdaXrom
Jun 12 21:51:58 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: he has always been a big help to me, I took over a lot of his older reciepes and updated them
Jun 12 21:52:20 <Furre> ah okk, kinda want it to work on both :/, cant use Ångström with some thing I need to work, and some things wont work in pdaxrom either so I have to switch back and forth all the time
Jun 12 21:52:56 <Zero_Chaos> Furre: you have the build system for pdaXrom? get moving
Jun 12 21:53:24 <Furre> what do you mean?
Jun 12 21:53:39 <dcordes> you should compile a driver
Jun 12 21:54:27 <Furre> ah, well I think i had all the things needed to compile programs atleast, but it gave lots of complains about packages needed that didnt exist :/
Jun 12 21:54:34 <Furre> but is the driver's source avaible?
Jun 12 21:54:41 <dcordes> Zero_Chaos, do you have a prism card available? If so it would be very kind if you could check out hostap functionallity
Jun 12 21:55:02 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: I sorta killed my prism card
Jun 12 21:55:17 <dcordes> Furre, http://homepages.tu-darmstadt.de/~p_larbig/wlan/
Jun 12 21:56:10 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: what folder is your rt73 driver in? packages/?/rt73-k2wrlz.bb
Jun 12 21:57:01 <dcordes> Zero_Chaos, unfortunately I'm not on my build machine right now
Jun 12 21:57:24 <dcordes> but packages/ralink/ I guess
Jun 12 21:58:19 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: I don't see it in the repo at all
Jun 12 21:58:46 <dcordes> Zero_Chaos, oh
Jun 12 21:59:04 <dcordes> I thought XorA|holiday commited it
Jun 12 21:59:26 <dcordes> got the ipk here if you like
Jun 12 22:00:39 <dcordes> Zero_Chaos, I'm almost sure I saw it in the repo..
Jun 12 22:01:29 <Zero_Chaos> dcordes: I'll have to look for it later and bug you if I can't find it
Jun 12 22:01:32 <Zero_Chaos> anyway, I'm out
Jun 12 22:01:33 <Zero_Chaos> later all
Jun 12 22:01:48 <dcordes> Zero_Chaos, 
Jun 12 22:01:49 <dcordes> wait
Jun 12 22:02:02 <dcordes> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=rt73-k2wrlz
Jun 12 22:02:18 <dcordes> Zero_Chaos, later
Jun 12 23:14:51 <summatusmentis> oh, polyonymous I was just gonna whine about the disk space that building opie-image uses
Jun 12 23:15:33 <polyonymous> summatusmentis, hell, yes, it does pull in half of x11 :)
Jun 12 23:15:40 <polyonymous> x11 image that is :)
Jun 12 23:15:51 <summatusmentis> really? so x11 apps run on opie?
Jun 12 23:16:05 <polyonymous> no, it pulls it in just for build.
Jun 12 23:16:16 <polyonymous> although yes, you can build xqt2
Jun 12 23:16:22 <polyonymous> and that would let you run x apps
Jun 12 23:16:53 <summatusmentis> that was why I was gonna play w/ opie
Jun 12 23:17:12 <polyonymous> and x11 can run qt4 applications :)
Jun 12 23:17:43 <summatusmentis> that's gonna be nice
Jun 12 23:19:14 <polyonymous> the only useful one is tree is uqtreader, tho :)
Jun 12 23:19:22 <polyonymous> s/is/in the/
Jun 13 02:45:40 <mscdex> does a tutorial exist that shows how to boot angstrom from say, an sd card without modifying the internal flash? I'm specifically interested in doing this on an iPAQ h4355
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